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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on October 25, 2015, 01:04:59 AM
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So who do you want as the next Villa manager when as hoped Sherwood gets the boot next week? Given our circumstances and sense of urgency it's Rodgers or Moyes for me. I'll go for Rodgers.
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Anyone that can restore an Aston Villa Identity that we all recognise
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Go all out and offer Koeman double his salary.
Has shown he can rebuild a side that has lost its best players. And a big salary to a competent manager over 3/4 years would still probably work out cheaper than hiring two to three numpties and paying them off during the same period.
Still no guarantee he would take it, but he was interested in the Villa job before. And Villa are bigger than Southampton ever could be.
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Jesus I didn't want the thread to happen, but we are here, we need a manger with experience and a desire to sort the club out not just their wallet. Thus I want a "Vila man" in charge. I am wary of all outsiders .
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Bielsa for me, although I have almost zero faith the club would ever aim that high.
I do also like the idea agressively going after proven quality like Koeman and for once acting like a big club by putting our money where our ambition is.
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Jose Mourinho, obviously.
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Go all out and offer Koeman double his salary.
Has shown he can rebuild a side that has lost its best players. And a big salary to a competent manager over 3/4 years would still probably work out cheaper than hiring two to three numpties and paying them off during the same period.
Still no guarantee he would take it, but he was interested in the Villa job before. And Villa are bigger than Southampton ever could be.
Yep I'd go for that. I don't think the board has the appetite to even entertain such a thought unfortunately.
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Ok, own up. Who has gone for Bob Bradley?
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de Boer
Laudrup
Bielsa
Bradley
Karanka
Klinsman
a manager that understands modern day football, and isn't British or "a Villa man"
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Jose Mourinho, obviously.
I was joking about that with the people around me at the game today but if Chelsea gave him the push I reckon it must be worth a phone call. After all, he fits the criteria of a Villa manager. He doesn't win many games at Villa Park.
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Jose Mourinho, obviously.
I was joking about that with the people around me at the game today but if Chelsea gave him the push I reckon it must be worth a phone call. After all, he fits the criteria of a Villa manager. He doesn't win many games at Villa Park.
Very good :)
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Klinsmann for me. Doubt it'll happen though
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Any fucker who can organise and tactically make a team aware, get them fit for 95 minutes football and if that guy comes from Tim Buck Two, I do not give a monkeys, this crap he must be a Villa man is exactly that, what he must be is competent.
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I have sbsolutely no idea! The problem is that we need a miracle worker to turn things round. I actually think if we change the manager will be rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. I think we are dead on for relegation so we need a manager who can get us back from the championship pretty damn quick.
From that list I would go for Dyche or Rogers.
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Mark Hughes. Has done well pretty much anywhere he has been. A couple of blips if you look close enough but a reliable Manager who makes teams solid. He might also like a few of our players. Right now, I'd be happy with solid and harder to beat. Not everyone's cup of tea but I doubt we'd ever completely agree. Like others have said on here, I really want us to compete and be ruthless with the next choice, steal them away from their club.
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I don't think Dave will come so it's someone who doesn't currently have a job - Rodgers?
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Moyes, just for his experience. Everton were always pretty solid when he managed them, that's what we need now, a settled formation and stop the goals. Then build from that.
Doubt he will come though.
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Hasselbaink
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Someone who has experienced a reasonably long term period of at least moderate success.
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Anynof the Top 3 would be a huge improvement on the current incumbent.
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Moyes.
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Sensibly who would risk their reputation on a club who has gone through managers like a sex maniac in a brothel. For a start if there was the remotest chance that someone decent showed interest the first question he would ask is how much will you pay me and the second is how much do i get to spend in January.We might get past the first question but taking the figures on this site on trust we had a net spend of seven million in the summer.Lerner would probably have to guarantee somewhere in the region of up to sixty million, i cannot see it, welcome Mister Bradley.
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Moyes for me, if he's not interested then Prandelli .
As a note of interest all the Leicester fans have only good things to say about Pearson, mate at work's son is in their academy and the players loved him.The foundations Ranieri is building on were laid by him ( a bit like fat Sam at West Ham.) Pearson does have experience of promoting teams which unfortunately looks like one of our main qualities, so although unpopular and not my first choice I just thought I'd mention him.
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Ha! Love that de Boer is on there. Why on earth would he come to Villa?
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Any manager ( which Sherwood isn't one and is the real problem) would not be risking their reputation as we are so bad in terms of results and, in such deep shit , would look good to brilliant if he could save us or at least get our pride back.
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You have to be sensible with your expectations. Randy is going to be hit by compensation pay outs yet again not only for Sherwood but for his useless cronies as well.The new manager will have to operate under guidelines that make it impossible to manage properly. By that I mean not having control of what players are coming in.That rules out Moyes unless he is desperate to come back and even an outsider like Pearson.
What I should imagine we will get is a German manager from the lower leagues who will do
what he is told.He will speak English and bring in German youths who have shown some promise.
All in all the future looks far from promising for us I'm afraid.
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Mark Hughes. Same answer as I've said the last three times.
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Any manager ( which Sherwood isn't one and is the real problem) would not be risking their reputation as we are so bad in terms of results and, in such deep shit , would look good to brilliant if he could save us or at least get our pride back.
I agree, we only have to progress to being competent to show an improvement. It has been so shambolic since O'Neill flounced off that a manager who sorts this out can only enhance his reputation.
We need experience and a track record that the players will respect. We have to minimise any risk factors, we cannot afford to give anyone a settling period while he gets to know the league or learns the language. If Moyes is interested then we should be doing whatever it takes to get him.
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Even more unlikely but Pardew?
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I'd like de Boer but I suspect it will be Rodgers.
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Peter Reid curently out of work could'nt be any worse
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Brenda please.
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I would have held my nose and taken Pulis on a two year contract on the justification that anti football is marginally better than doing a Forest/Wednesday/Wolves. I think Moyes will puke up the invitation and it will be Rodgers.
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I have gone for Moyes, he was used to keeping Everton up on a shoestring.
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There are a number of considerations here. Firstly, our plight is such that we need an expert salvage man in the Pulis, Allardyce and Redknapp role. A short term choice rather than a long term one because avoiding relegation is the only game in town for us right now. All bets are off if we go down and then it won't matter how promising a Manager might or might not be. For me, that rules out a few of the more exotic choices on the list; nice-to-haves if we were in a decent position, but either unrealistic now or too unproven in the harsh and unforgiving world of the lower reaches of the Premiership.
Secondly, we have to take on board Lerner's track record of selecting managers. He has found it impossible to lure big names to the club and Moyes, Martinez and Benitez have all rejected his overtures in the past. I think we have to accept that we've got an owner with the personality of a wet lettuce and the guile and craft of a five year old. Compared to the likes of Abramovich, Coates and Dein, even Pearce, he's a bantomweight in the ring with heavyweights. Out of his depth, in other words, and in Tom Fox we've got someone who basked in Wenger's shadow at Arsenal for years and has, as far as I can tell, no track record of finding top class Managers.
And, thirdly, who is there of any note who will accept the poisoned chalice?
All in all, I think it's Nigel Pearson for me. He meets my three considerations. None of the others do, I'm afraid. My dream, and probably far-fetched, scenario, is that he keeps us up, Lerner sells in the summer and new owners come in with real ambition. Then I'd look at some of the other candidates on the list. But horses for courses first.
28 games to save the Villa, that's all.
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Of the names listed, I've gone for Rodgers. Dunno whether he could keep us up, but if we'd go down I reckon he could get us back the next season. What a fkn mess we're in.
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Have people forgotten what Nigel Pearson did? Do you honestly want him associated with our club?
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Why is the bottom of the Premier League different to any other part of it? You're playing the same teams. What you need is the manager who'll get you the most points, and to hell with this Dunkirk canard about the 'relegation scrap'. The teams which stay up score often score more goals and play better football than those which go down, yet there's this belief continues to linger that the only way to stay up is necessarily ugly.
This, I submit, is rubbish. We have a group of players who are suited to a style of football, and we need a manager who can play that style with them. Definitely not Pearson. Maybe not Moyes (although, despite Rudy's clear outlining of his flaws, he wouldn't be a terrible appointment). Definitely, definitely, definitely not a Pulis or Allardyce type.
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I'd like Rodgers, but I can't imagine the Villa crowd giving the team any assistance. His teams keep the ball all over the pitch. Screams of "get it fucking forward!" would be shouted with even more regularity than it is now. Mistakes will always happen when you play like that, but hopefully you should overcome the errors with positives from keeping the ball. I think, with confidence installed in them, we have some players that can pass and keep the ball well, but also have the movement with it as well. I can imagine Westwood being slated even more for playing and keeping the ball.
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The last thing we need is a short-term horses for courses. We need a long-term strategy and the willingness to back the manager financially for a minimum of one transfer window. That's where you've fallen down and not been able to attract the good managers. Why would a half-decent manager come in when they're set up to fail?
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Why is the bottom of the Premier League different to any other part of it? You're playing the same teams. What you need is the manager who'll get you the most points, and to hell with this Dunkirk canard about the 'relegation scrap'. The teams which stay up score often score more goals and play better football than those which go down, yet there's this belief continues to linger that the only way to stay up is necessarily ugly.
This, I submit, is rubbish. We have a group of players who are suited to a style of football, and we need a manager who can play that style with them. Definitely not Pearson. Maybe not Moyes (although, despite Rudy's clear outlining of his flaws, he wouldn't be a terrible appointment). Definitely, definitely, definitely not a Pulis or Allardyce type.
You're right. When he came in and kept us up, he got us playing in a way that we attacked team and scored goals. From the cup final onwards, he's changed those tactics to something different.
Selecting Hutton for the cup final and worrying about the other team rather than what we was going to do to them was, and is, his downfall.
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The last thing we need is a short-term horses for courses. We need a long-term strategy and the willingness to back the manager financially for a minimum of one transfer window. That's where you've fallen down and not been able to attract the good managers. Why would a half-decent manager come in when they're set up to fail?
We can't have a long term strategy when the owner is trying to sell can we?
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Why is the bottom of the Premier League different to any other part of it? You're playing the same teams. What you need is the manager who'll get you the most points, and to hell with this Dunkirk canard about the 'relegation scrap'. The teams which stay up score often score more goals and play better football than those which go down, yet there's this belief continues to linger that the only way to stay up is necessarily ugly.
This, I submit, is rubbish. We have a group of players who are suited to a style of football, and we need a manager who can play that style with them. Definitely not Pearson. Maybe not Moyes (although, despite Rudy's clear outlining of his flaws, he wouldn't be a terrible appointment). Definitely, definitely, definitely not a Pulis or Allardyce type.
We saved ourselves last season by playing some of the best football we've played in yonks for a brief, glittering few weeks.
Let's try and break the cycle of misery instead of prolonging it.
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we might need someone with good championship ideas to get us back up as things dont look good for us
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Moyes for me, it looks a good fit, big club on its knees needing a man who can bring it back up to standard, manager who has seen a great reputation take a battering. He needs us too.
Beyond him on the list, I would take a gamble on Warbutton. Think he is a very, very good manager in the making, and seems to be a good coach.
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ss1 about to discuss ts on sunday supplement
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Have people forgotten what Nigel Pearson did? Do you honestly want him associated with our club?
What he did was keep Leicester up from a position not disimalar to the position we find ourselves in now.With a squad not unlike ours.We are not a position to be fussy.Having said that dont be surprised if he turns it down as he wouldn't have full control of his playing staff.
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If they want someone cheap who has good connections with the club and might agree with Herr Flick and Val Doonican buying most of the players they could do worse than contact Brian Little.He is still only 61 and would find it hard to turn it down.
We are not going to attract a top manager so why not someone who we all like?
Only problem is they will never have heard of him!
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If they want someone cheap who has good connections with the club and might agree with Herr Flick and Val Doonican buying most of the players they could do worse than contact Brian Little.He is still only 61 and would find it hard to turn it down.
We are not going to attract a top manager so why not someone who we all like?
Only problem is they will never have heard of him!
I think Brian's manager days are over.
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Have people forgotten what Nigel Pearson did? Do you honestly want him associated with our club?
What he did was keep Leicester up from a position not disimalar to the position we find ourselves in now.With a squad not unlike ours.We are not a position to be fussy.Having said that dont be surprised if he turns it down as he wouldn't have full control of his playing staff.
Couldn't agree more and he got them playing some half decent football too. You don't get the results he did over the last 10 games of last season by playing neanderthal football, certainly not in the Premiership, and while he might not be to everyone's liking, he's one of the more realistic possibilities available to us, I reckon. He's available, would probably come and is well versed in surviviing a relegation dogfight. That ticks the three boxes for me and he'd probably put up with Lerner for 8 months too.
Moyes? Forget it; he won't be interested. Koeman? Be serious; why would he even give us a second thought? Rodgers? Even if he was interested, which I very much doubt, he's looks a fragile ego to me. Fancy dan at a time when we need some serious bottle. I don't think he'd be up for a relegation scrap, do you?
As I said; 28 games to save the Villa. Forget all this bullshit of long term plans and thrilling football. That's for the birds for now. We're too deeply in the doggy-do for that cobblers.
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ss1 about to discuss ts on sunday supplement
Fuck me, I rather lacerate my own piles than watch those arses give us their uninformed opinion.
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We have 28 games to get 34-36 points. I'm not at all bothered about style of play, manager's reputation or perception with the press. We just need someone who has a proven ability to win games, however that may be, to come in and drill these players into playing to a winning formula. If we have to play it long or grind the life out of games to get points then let's do it. If that person is someone like Pearson then get him in and he can start tomorrow.
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But, again, why would appointing someone like Pearson be seen as less of a risk? From my point of view, that would be taking this talented but still fragile group of players from all over, still adapting but clearly capable of good stuff on their day, and putting them in the charge of a retrograde English bully and maniac who treats professional football like it's a PE class. That strikes me as taking a risk on the Premier League future of Aston Villa.
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but sticking with Tim's a bigger risk surely?
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ss1 about to discuss ts on sunday supplement
Fuck me, I rather lacerate my own piles than watch those arses give us their uninformed opinion.
Soccer Saturday lot were saying he's a good coach and needs more time. I like Merson as a man and a player, but I wouldn't wipe my arse with his opinions on football.
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I don't think Monty is saying that, it's more that Pearson isn't offering anything new. The club needs a shot in the arm and the talk of Pearson is very underwhelming.
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but sticking with Tim's a bigger risk surely?
Who said we should stick with Tim? It's not a choice between Tim or Pearson.
Edit: Yes, Stu gets it.
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But Monty we are in the last chance saloon now, so what ever way we jump is going to be a risk. Not saying it should be Pearson, but we need as stated someone who wins football matches end of.
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British candidate- Brendan Rodgers.
Abroad- Bielsa is probably unrealistic and would be too much of a loose cannon in our situation but I'd look at Luciene Favre as he did a great job at Monchengladbach and was being linked with Bayern Munich.
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ss1 about to discuss ts on sunday supplement
Fuck me, I rather lacerate my own piles than watch those arses give us their uninformed opinion.
Soccer Saturday lot were saying he's a good coach and needs more time. I like Merson as a man and a player, but I wouldn't wipe my arse with his opinions on football.
We can't afford him time to learn, this isn't the conference. They really do come out with some bollocks on tv.
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I don't think Rodgers would come here.
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But Monty we are in the last chance saloon now, so what ever way we jump is going to be a risk. Not saying it should be Pearson, but we need as stated someone who wins football matches end of.
Yep agreed, that's what I'm saying. I'm just asking why people assume that this means we go for a Pearson or similar grunt-and-grind oafishness instead of someone who plays good football. We stayed up last season playing good stuff, as we did in that one good spell under Lambert.
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I don't think Rodgers would come here.
Fair enough, I would accept Moyes in those circumstances as I do respect the job he did at Everton. I do have my concerns though regarding what he's produced since then.
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Sherwood has to go. That much is certain, but my fear is that the Villa's top brass faced with a pile of job applicants that could (indulge me with please) include Ron Saunders, Brian Clough, Bill Shankly, Bob Paisley and Alex Ferguson would still go for Mike Bassett.
For what it's worth I'd move heaven and earth to get Ancelotti .
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As it gets closer which it surely is going to get if we just do nothing, I think we will not give a monkeys toss as to style, it will be all about the substance of points and to hell with how we get them, we can not afford to drop this year of all years, because of the lack of interest and ability behind the scenes, I feel we would be a long long time coming back.
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Ancelloti belongs in the elite clubs mate.
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Sherwood has to go. That much is certain, but my fear is that the Villa's top brass faced with a pile of job applicants that could (indulge me with please) include Ron Saunders, Brian Clough, Bill Shankly, Bob Paisley and Alex Ferguson would still go for Mike Bassett.
For what it's worth I'd move heaven and earth to get Ancelotti .
With respect other that Bassett no one else in that list has a very good record of avoiding relegations.
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I don't think Rodgers would come here.
So tell me where would he go now after " failing" at a European second tier club?
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As it gets closer which it surely is going to get if we just do nothing, I think we will not give a monkeys toss as to style, it will be all about the substance of points and to hell with how we get them, we can not afford to drop this year of all years, because of the lack of interest and ability behind the scenes, I feel we would be a long long time coming back.
Again - why are you assuming that the best way to make sure we get points is ugly style?
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So who do you want as the next Villa manager when as hoped Sherwood gets the boot next week? Given our circumstances and sense of urgency it's Rodgers or Moyes for me. I'll go for Rodgers.
Rodgers for me as well but I do hope Paddy&Fox have already got a name on stand by waiting for the final act that should be delivered on Monday.
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I don't think Rodgers would come here.
Fair enough, I would accept Moyes in those circumstances as I do respect the job he did at Everton. I do have my concerns though regarding what he's produced since then.
Grunt and grind oafishness? That's a cliche, and a pretty arrogant one too. I'm not saying Pearson is a coach in the Pepe Guardiola mould but to dismiss what he did at Leicester last season in such a way is pure silliness. As I said, grunt and grind football, whatever the hell that is by the way, doesn't win you football matches in the Premiership any longer and it's not the type of football I saw Leicester playing last season either. Well organised, yes, hyper competitive too, but they had some very decent footballers playing to the maximum of their potential and that's testimony to a decent football coach.
On a wider point, we've all got to get real at the Villa and recognise what we've become under Lerner. We're a perennial relegation outfit in the way Fulham, Bolton and Blackburn were for years before they slipped away into obscurity. History and tradition counts for nothing and delusions of grandeur just make us look a ridiculous club hanging on to past, quite often exaggerated achievements. To get anywhere near back to where we used to be we have to acquire some degree of self awareness first and accept the magnitude of our recent decline. That requires pragmatism and some unglamorous spadework.
I repeat; 28 games and seven months to save the Villa from potential catastrophe. No time for novices, punts and fancy dans. We're way too gone for all that cobblers.
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How is it an arrogant cliche? I think it's pretty arrogant to call someone like Bielsa a 'punt' or a 'fancy dan' just because you haven't heard of him.
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I went for Moyes. I just think he'd be the best fit for us and our current situation.
He'd get us well organized and well drilled. He's got plenty to prove after Manure and I think he'll end up being a better Manager for having that experience.
He's also a long termer which is what we need, some stability or as much as you can get in football management.
Rodgers would also be a decent shout but not sure we are what he'd take on and I've a bit of a soft spot for Michael Laudrup too, plays a good style and could really build something, just not sure he'd be the man to keep us up in the first place though.
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for me it has to be someone who can
work out what's to be done at
Throw ins
Corners
Free kicks
Clearances from defence
attacking moves from full backs including crosses,
Distribution from goalkeepers,
How to protect a lead
How to close a match off
not exactly rocket science is it but not something we've had in a while
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There's an argument for pragmatic, safety-built football if you want to make it, and the fact that Moyes' Everton did actually play some decent stuff helps his case. But Pearson? I don't see how he's suited to our players or our club. If we're going on last season's last-minute miracle workers, then why not appoint Tim Sherwood?
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Would be gutted if that tool Pearson got the call. Moyes is probably the best realistic target we have at the moment.
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I don't think Rodgers would come here.
So tell me where would he go now after " failing" at a European second tier club?
Abroad like Moyes? Speaks Spanish anyway.
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Monty I am not assuming the best way to get points is ugly football, if someone can come in and have us playing Dutch total football, Barcelona free scoring football, I will take that as well, what you have to realise is that sometimes you cant turn a pigs ear into a silk purse, I will settle for it staying a pigs ear as long as it is a pigs ear in the premier league come next season.
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Sure, but we don't (in my opinion) have plodders and untalented players at the club - that's just Sherwood's way of avoiding the blame, and his mates in the press have predictably clamoured to agree with him. No, I think there are talented players who, at their best, would play a style of football most people would call 'watchable'. That's what they're suited to, and that's what would get us out of trouble.
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I don't think Rodgers would come here.
So tell me where would he go now after " failing" at a European second tier club?
Abroad like Moyes? Speaks Spanish anyway.
Apparently he doesn't.
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There is no doubt that Pearson did a very good job in dragging Leicester away from trouble but they were his players. It is a very different ask to him do the same with players he doesn't know and not necessarily suited to how he likes to play. There is also something about him in that trouble and controversy just seems to follow him around.
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Go all out and offer Koeman double his salary.
Has shown he can rebuild a side that has lost its best players. And a big salary to a competent manager over 3/4 years would still probably work out cheaper than hiring two to three numpties and paying them off during the same period.
Still no guarantee he would take it, but he was interested in the Villa job before. And Villa are bigger than Southampton ever could be.
Agree.
He was my choice before Lambert, too
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If this "Offer him enough money and he'll take the job" idea worked, don't you think everyone would do it?
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Sure, but we don't (in my opinion) have plodders and untalented players at the club - that's just Sherwood's way of avoiding the blame, and his mates in the press have predictably clamoured to agree with him. No, I think there are talented players who, at their best, would play a style of football most people would call 'watchable'. That's what they're suited to, and that's what would get us out of trouble.
I agree, Monty. We just do not have a team of battlers and grafters and any manager who tries to do that with this bunch will soon be added to our list of failures. We do have some decent players but we need to be set up in a way that suits their talents not try to shoehorn them into a style that stifles them.
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Strictly speaking I think we should go for an Italian. Not Prandelli though. Bruno Tonioli He's the bulls bollocks!
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Monty, yes we look like we have players who maybe able to play a watchable style of football, what we have to be careful off if for some it is not already to late, that their confidence is shattered, what we do not seem to have and even if Tim goes today, will not have until January 2nd at the earliest, is Leaders, even the one that stands out Micah was not a shining example yesterday and there appears to be no one else, alot of the senior players at this club now have had 5 plus years of this environment and when things go wrong in a match, which they often do, that is where you need leaders on the pitch to keep this maybe talented players on track.
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If Micah's our leader then we're in trouble. He's had good or bad points this season, but yesterday when he squared up to Fernandez instead of getting back into position I just thought 'you idiot.' The commentator said 'Villa fans will enjoy that, seeing a player have passion' - I don't know what he saw, but I enjoy seeing Villa players not act like alpha-male morons and do their best for the team, not trying to prove how big a man they are.
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If Micah's our leader then we're in trouble. He's had good or bad points this season, but yesterday when he squared up to Fernandez instead of getting back into position I just thought 'you idiot.' The commentator said 'Villa fans will enjoy that, seeing a player have passion' - I don't know what he saw, but I enjoy seeing Villa players not act like alpha-male morons and do their best for the team, not trying to prove how big a man they are.
Im afraid Micah will get a ban for his behaviour yesterday. That will be helpful.
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But that's what I am stating Monty, no way to back up Dim Tim, but at times players have to accept responsibility too, there seems to be a culture, I would say best highlighted by CNZ, that they just dont give a dam, at least and not using yesterday as a good example Richards seems to care and has the will to win.
A lot of these so called good footballing players we have, have not been able to last 90 minutes for whatever reason and not one of them seems to have the character to say stuff this, there taking the piss lets get into them, we have seen some nice small cameos, but nothing to suggest that the corner of hell we are in is going to be turned around quickly by who ever we get in.
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How is it an arrogant cliche? I think it's pretty arrogant to call someone like Bielsa a 'punt' or a 'fancy dan' just because you haven't heard of him.
I think someone like Bielsa was the manager we needed when MON left. We were in a fairly stable position back then and could have afforded the 'risk' and the possible gains someone like that would have brought. Unfortunately we are not in that position now and the next appointment has to be as close from risk free as we can get.
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I do agree with that, but I also think that players take a lot of their cues from the manager. Managers set the emotional tone for their teams, and I doubt Sherwood's petulant ravings help calm down the likes of Richards in situations like the one yesterday.
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Well they do, to an extent. Even a club like Watford can now attract one of the best coaches in Europe. That might have a little something to do with the amount of money sloshing around in the English topflight.
In the case of Koeman I did say even with that there is still no guarantee (If he was a friend, I'd probably tell him to give it the swerve).
But were he interested at all -and he was before- it would be more cost effective to get someone like that than pissing even more money up the wall via management payoffs as we have done these past four years. Or having each manager add to the ever growing list of bomb squad duds.
The thread title was who do you want the next Villa manager to be. Who do I expect the next Villa manager to be would be a different discussion.
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If Micah's our leader then we're in trouble. He's had good or bad points this season, but yesterday when he squared up to Fernandez instead of getting back into position I just thought 'you idiot.' The commentator said 'Villa fans will enjoy that, seeing a player have passion' - I don't know what he saw, but I enjoy seeing Villa players not act like alpha-male morons and do their best for the team, not trying to prove how big a man they are.
We don't know what was said though and besides, Ashley Williams was more at fault than Richards for wading in when he didn't need to. The ref booked them even though he had no idea what went on.
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If Micah's our leader then we're in trouble. He's had good or bad points this season, but yesterday when he squared up to Fernandez instead of getting back into position I just thought 'you idiot.' The commentator said 'Villa fans will enjoy that, seeing a player have passion' - I don't know what he saw, but I enjoy seeing Villa players not act like alpha-male morons and do their best for the team, not trying to prove how big a man they are.
Im afraid Micah will get a ban for his behaviour yesterday. That will be helpful.
It might depend on what Fernandez did.
I didn't see anything, so I guess he said something insulting to get that reaction.
Rumours are that it kicked off in the tunnel after the game , too.
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More at fault? I'm talking about when, as soon as the ball had gone through to Fabianski, Richards goes up to Fernandez and chest-bumps him like they're celebrating a touchdown. I thought it was embarrassing.
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Nigel, he pushed his head into Micahs face, the same as what that twat at Chelsea got retrospective for, if the ref does not report it, the FA I should imagine may look at it, as the Whinging one will be all over it like a rash when he calms down after his latest tiffy spiff.
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Monty quite right about taking their cues from the manager, but also go back over the match threads this season, at some stage every one of the new players have been given a grilling over their performance and we are past masters at are saviours being players that are not currently in the team, then when they come back they get slagged off again. Not picking on him but Libor is Benteke, Dion and Andy rolled into one when he is not playing.
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Why the hell would anyone want Brendan Rodgers?
Surely it's been proven beyond doubt that Gerrard and Suarez were masking his failures, and without them he's created the worst Liverpool side in living memory.
He's even managed to get less out of Christian Benteke than both TSM II and Dim Sherwood.
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We have loads of exciting wingers. Has any winger ever looked any good under Moyes?
There's not much point in getting him if we have to write off Grealish, Gil, Traore and Sinclair before we even start.
Plus surely he'd be even more likely to keep picking that donkey Lescott.
I'd prefer Rodgers because he made even average wingers like Routledge look good and Sinclair was shit-hot under his management IIRC.
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HE'S GONE!!!
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He most certainly has!!!
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Monty I am not assuming the best way to get points is ugly football, if someone can come in and have us playing Dutch total football, Barcelona free scoring football, I will take that as well, what you have to realise is that sometimes you cant turn a pigs ear into a silk purse, I will settle for it staying a pigs ear as long as it is a pigs ear in the premier league come next season.
Thats the thing. If anything our players are too 'cultured' to be playing a british style game. There's only really Gestede, Lescott and Hutton who I think suit a more direct style over pass/move strategy. Grealish, Ayew, Vertout, Amavi, Clark, Gil - some of our more talented players - all would suit a possession based game with players interchanging positions.
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Well Dante depending on who they pick next we may get to see if that way (cultured) is suitable to what we have at VP at the moment.
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I seen hot of managers candidates and interesting things there is no former Aston Villa player in the list. But again I couldn't think of one who might suit the role apart from Martin Laursen.
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He most certainly has!!!
My initial reaction was one of joy. I feel a tiny bit sorry for him, simply because I thought we were doomed last year when he took over, and he did keep us up. I appreciate that.
But he had a summer to recruit, and the non stop tactical fannying about has left me numb.
Time for a change. I am just a little worried about who will come in next.
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It would not surprise me at all to see Kozak back in the frame when we appoint a new manager. We've got ball playing attacking midfielders who can keep it and feed a striker like Kozak who can find space in the box. He's more a poacher than a target man. As long as our new boss has at least a modicum of intelligence, they'll know who to utilize the talent we have at our disposal. I think Sanchez will be back in the side. Veretout should get more of a chance.
But will the new boss FINALLY drop Gabby? I hope so. There are a few players who continue to somehow get played week in, week out.
As for the new boss. I think in this position we probably need Prem experience. Moyes would organise us and I think we have a lot of similarities to Everton. I think we'd perhaps be a good match for him. Rodgers may offer more of a long term style, but I'm not sure how reliable he is when the going gets tough. Again though, he suffered from having overachieved in that first season at Liverpool. After losing Saurez there wasn't a hope in hell they could match that. Their squad was never top 4 quality.
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The last thing we need is a short-term horses for courses. We need a long-term strategy and the willingness to back the manager financially for a minimum of one transfer window. That's where you've fallen down and not been able to attract the good managers. Why would a half-decent manager come in when they're set up to fail?
We can't have a long term strategy when the owner is trying to sell can we?
of course we can. Long term strategies are needed in any business and are vital for short-term gain.
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We have loads of exciting wingers. Has any winger ever looked any good under Moyes?
There's not much point in getting him if we have to write off Grealish, Gil, Traore and Sinclair before we even start.
Plus surely he'd be even more likely to keep picking that donkey Lescott.
I'd prefer Rodgers because he made even average wingers like Routledge look good and Sinclair was shit-hot under his management IIRC.
Pienaar looked good under Moyes. Osman also played fairly well as an attacking mid, floating and picking up space in the box, so I wouldn't entirely write off Grealish if Moyes came in. Gil could certainly take up the Arteta role too.
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Well Sherwood is gone now, so let's see who gets the Guernsey
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It wouldn't shock me if the board put out an S.O.S to Redknapp for rest of season. Cue obvious meltdown on here and VT.
He did take over Spurs when they were bottom with two points and kept them up.
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It wouldn't shock me if the board put out an S.O.S to Redknapp for rest of season. Cue obvious meltdown on here and VT.
He did take over Spurs when they were bottom with two points and kept them up.
Spurs and Redknapp = the perfect match.
Wouldn't work here.
Moyes and Villa works.
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The last thing we need is a short-term horses for courses. We need a long-term strategy and the willingness to back the manager financially for a minimum of one transfer window. That's where you've fallen down and not been able to attract the good managers. Why would a half-decent manager come in when they're set up to fail?
We can't have a long term strategy when the owner is trying to sell can we?
of course we can. Long term strategies are needed in any business and are vital for short-term gain.
I'm all for long term strategy. The only problem is we may have to risk going down first before we can fully see the benefits. Now as long as we can see some sort of viable style being implemented, even if results aren't great, then the fans may be patient. Houllier for example seemed to have a plan in place for how he wanted us to play, and how he might implement the younger players. Of course as far as Sherwood went, it was patently clear he just had no clue.
As an example looking at that list, I think Frank De Boer would do well, but the risk is, coming to a new league it may take time. Likewise with Klinsmann. A foreign coach really needs to hit the ground running and adapt pretty fast.
I'm torn. Moyes doesn't necessarily have to be just a short term solution, but he's already shown there's a brick wall he probably won't get beyond. But in all honesty, for us to get where he took Everton would take 3-4 years minimum anyway, so that in itself, becoming top 6 would be a long term project. It's still a punt taking on Moyes or Rodgers undoubtedly, but at least they know the league inside out. I wouldn't be adverse to AVB at all either, but suspect he's out of our price range.
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It'll be Nigel Pearson
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We have loads of exciting wingers. Has any winger ever looked any good under Moyes?
There's not much point in getting him if we have to write off Grealish, Gil, Traore and Sinclair before we even start.
Plus surely he'd be even more likely to keep picking that donkey Lescott.
I'd prefer Rodgers because he made even average wingers like Routledge look good and Sinclair was shit-hot under his management IIRC.
Pienaar looked good under Moyes. Osman also played fairly well as an attacking mid, floating and picking up space in the box, so I wouldn't entirely write off Grealish if Moyes came in. Gil could certainly take up the Arteta role too.
Maybe. I'd only say Arteta of those three would be classed as "exciting".
I think he'd try to make us solid but not sure we have the players to do it at present and can't afford to just write off the period till the transfer window opens.
I'd rather someone with a reputation for expansive football given the squad we have at present.
Oh, and I missed off Ayew in my initial post.
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We have loads of exciting wingers. Has any winger ever looked any good under Moyes?
There's not much point in getting him if we have to write off Grealish, Gil, Traore and Sinclair before we even start.
Plus surely he'd be even more likely to keep picking that donkey Lescott.
I'd prefer Rodgers because he made even average wingers like Routledge look good and Sinclair was shit-hot under his management IIRC.
Pienaar looked good under Moyes. Osman also played fairly well as an attacking mid, floating and picking up space in the box, so I wouldn't entirely write off Grealish if Moyes came in. Gil could certainly take up the Arteta role too.
Maybe. I'd only say Arteta of those three would be classed as "exciting".
I think he'd try to make us solid but not sure we have the players to do it at present and can't afford to just write off the period till the transfer window opens.
I'd rather someone with a reputation for expansive football given the squad we have at present.
Oh, and I missed off Ayew in my initial post.
He didn't exactly have too many flair players at his disposal though, didn't he? I mean, I suppose that's a reflection of his transfer strategy, but then again, working on the limited budget he had I'm sure he didn't have much cash to spare to spunk out on more than a couple of those types of players with actual quality.
I'm not confident he'd get the most out of Grealish, Gil, etc. either, but I wouldn't write it down just yet.
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He was there about forty years. If he didn't have any flair players, that's his choice.
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Well, it looks like the two games to save his job theory has been proved correct, so it does stand to reason they've got someone to takeover in mind. Maybe Mac's in charge for the Cup game while we're in contract negotiations with our first choice...God, I hope it's not Pearson, he's nearly as big a twat as Sherwood.
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What we need is a next Big Ron Atkinson type, but there is no obvious choice. I would love to see what would new Ron Saunders do with our players.
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Laudrup or Rowett for me please.
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We have loads of exciting wingers. Has any winger ever looked any good under Moyes?
There's not much point in getting him if we have to write off Grealish, Gil, Traore and Sinclair before we even start.
Plus surely he'd be even more likely to keep picking that donkey Lescott.
I'd prefer Rodgers because he made even average wingers like Routledge look good and Sinclair was shit-hot under his management IIRC.
Pienaar looked good under Moyes. Osman also played fairly well as an attacking mid, floating and picking up space in the box, so I wouldn't entirely write off Grealish if Moyes came in. Gil could certainly take up the Arteta role too.
Maybe. I'd only say Arteta of those three would be classed as "exciting".
I think he'd try to make us solid but not sure we have the players to do it at present and can't afford to just write off the period till the transfer window opens.
I'd rather someone with a reputation for expansive football given the squad we have at present.
Oh, and I missed off Ayew in my initial post.
He didn't exactly have too many flair players at his disposal though, didn't he? I mean, I suppose that's a reflection of his transfer strategy, but then again, working on the limited budget he had I'm sure he didn't have much cash to spare to spunk out on more than a couple of those types of players with actual quality.
I'm not confident he'd get the most out of Grealish, Gil, etc. either, but I wouldn't write it down just yet.
It depends just how much emphasis we place on results. In all honesty one thing Sherwood was correct about last season was that someone like Gil was going to be a bit of a passenger when we need to grind out results. Grealish will certainly get his chance under someone like Moyes, as would Gil, but I don't think it's necessarily going to be a bad thing for us to be quite workmanlike in games. Everton didn't play the most exciting football under Moyes, but they still played some half decent stuff at times. I'd sooner see us looking like we have a game plan rather than, as we were under Lambert this time last year, having 60% possession but 1-2 shots on target a game and inevitably losing.
At least Moyes will identify our stronger players and try to get the best out of them.
Before worrying about the flair players, I'm hoping we can find some resilience somewhere. If we get a solid base in defence. Get them well drilled and stick Gana and Sanchez in the middle to shield, then there's a little freedom for three midfielders ahead to express themselves a little more and provide service for the front man.
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He was there about forty years. If he didn't have any flair players, that's his choice.
I wouldn't buy flair players either if the budget available was only enough to afford the crap ones.
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Maybe Ads will get another shot as manager
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He was there about forty years. If he didn't have any flair players, that's his choice.
I wouldn't buy flair players either if the budget available was only enough to afford the crap ones.
There weren't particularly dazzling flair players there but they were effective at least. Arteta was good. Osman was effective. Fellaini was very effective (though not particularly great to watch) and so was Cahill. Much as I'm excited for Grealish and Gil, just how many goals and assists have they managed so far?
At the moment we need effeciency over eye candy. Now if Moyes can add efficiency to Jack or Carles's games, then that's fantastic.
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Personally Id like us to go with a foreign manager, worked out well for West Ham and Southampton.
Offer Ancelotti big money and a promise of cash in Jan.
But this board are inept and we'll end up with Moyes or Rodgers.
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We don't have the players to be "efficient".
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Real Sociedad have won 0-4.
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Well, we might but if Sanchez or Gana get injured, we don't.
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Personally Id like us to go with a foreign manager, worked out well for West Ham and Sunderland.
Offer Ancelotti big money and a promise of cash in Jan.
But this board are inept and we'll end up with Moyes or Rodgers.
Jeez! It's all so easy isn't it?
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I'd like us to get a manager with slightly longer greying hair. It hasn't worked out with managers with short hair. Look at pellegrini and wenger.
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Roy Keane! Kick some arse!
Oddschecker 25/1. Go for it. Bollix to the prawn sandwich brigade.
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Personally Id like us to go with a foreign manager, worked out well for West Ham and Sunderland.
Offer Ancelotti big money and a promise of cash in Jan.
But this board are inept and we'll end up with Moyes or Rodgers.
Jeez! It's all so easy isn't it?
Calm down just my opinion, didnt say it would be easy did I?
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We don't have the players to be "efficient".
Well we've got two good midfielders who can anchor. We've got plenty of attacking midfielders who have talent. With something resembling a gameplan they may start creating more chances and scoring more. Ayew looks potentially very good and may flourish moving into the CF position. There is Kozak to come back into the fray too. As for Gestede, Moyes may use him more effectively than Sherwood, as a kind of poor mans Fellaini I suppose.
That said, January's window can't come soon enough.
I think Moyes could get a lot from Amavi too, given what he got from Baines. Baines was never the best defensively, but was fantastic going forward. He often played as a more of a left winger, and had the freedom to as someone would be covering him at the back.
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Would anyone want Martin O'Neill back
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Well, we might but if Sanchez or Gana get injured, we don't.
My hope is that Veretout can step up his game too and become a feasible option too. As long as Westwood doesn't get near the first 11, I'll be happy.
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Id go for Ronaldo player manager with Messi as player assistant :o
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I'd like us to get a manager with slightly longer greying hair. It hasn't worked out with managers with short hair. Look at pellegrini and wenger.
Gandalf it is!
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Would anyone want Martin O'Neill back
Only if the other options were getting McLeish, Lambert or Sherwood back.
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Would anyone want Martin O'Neill back
No. I'd rather have Pulis than that fucking pubeheaded Judas piece of shit anywhere near the club.
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Maybe Ads will get another shot as manager
He's my choice.
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Laudrup or Rowett for me please.
Two good choices.
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We don't have the players to be "efficient".
Well we've got two good midfielders who can anchor. We've got plenty of attacking midfielders who have talent. With something resembling a gameplan they may start creating more chances and scoring more. Ayew looks potentially very good and may flourish moving into the CF position. There is Kozak to come back into the fray too. As for Gestede, Moyes may use him more effectively than Sherwood, as a kind of poor mans Fellaini I suppose.
That said, January's window can't come soon enough.
I think Moyes could get a lot from Amavi too, given what he got from Baines. Baines was never the best defensively, but was fantastic going forward. He often played as a more of a left winger, and had the freedom to as someone would be covering him at the back.
I'd be interested to see how the right back situation is going forward. I know Richards has been pretty decent at CB on the whole so far and he seemingly only signed for us on the basis that he'd play there, but he might be our best RB (though Hutton's done a reasonable job).
I agree with you on everything else though - Sanchez/Veretout/Gana has the makings of a decent two or three man midfield, and maybe Gardner/Westwood are salvageable to play sub/squad roles under a new manager. Grealish/Gil/Adama/Sinclair/Ayew - no proven quality there, unfortunately, but each offers something handy at least. The CF position I'm most worried about, I sure hope the board is making the money available in January if it comes to that.
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when your team cant score goals and the defence's full of holes, call Bielsa
when the players just aren't fit and they don't give a shit, call Bielsa
when confidence is so low and our play has no flow, call Bielsa
when your manager's a fraud and you just cut the chord, call Bielsa
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If he were anywhere else, Rowett would be a contender. As it is, there's not a hope in hell. Even with these buffoons in charge.
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Would anyone want Martin O'Neill back
Er, no.
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Id go for Ronaldo player manager with Messi as player assistant :o
nope, no premier league experience.
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Why would any credible manager want to hitch his wagon to this shambles. My money is on another chancer like Brendan Rogers.
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O'Leary is a 14/1 shot!!
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O'Leary is a 14/1 shot!!
Dermot?
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We don't have the players to be "efficient".
Well we've got two good midfielders who can anchor. We've got plenty of attacking midfielders who have talent. With something resembling a gameplan they may start creating more chances and scoring more. Ayew looks potentially very good and may flourish moving into the CF position. There is Kozak to come back into the fray too. As for Gestede, Moyes may use him more effectively than Sherwood, as a kind of poor mans Fellaini I suppose.
That said, January's window can't come soon enough.
I think Moyes could get a lot from Amavi too, given what he got from Baines. Baines was never the best defensively, but was fantastic going forward. He often played as a more of a left winger, and had the freedom to as someone would be covering him at the back.
I'd be interested to see how the right back situation is going forward. I know Richards has been pretty decent at CB on the whole so far and he seemingly only signed for us on the basis that he'd play there, but he might be our best RB (though Hutton's done a reasonable job).
I agree with you on everything else though - Sanchez/Veretout/Gana has the makings of a decent two or three man midfield, and maybe Gardner/Westwood are salvageable to play sub/squad roles under a new manager. Grealish/Gil/Adama/Sinclair/Ayew - no proven quality there, unfortunately, but each offers something handy at least. The CF position I'm most worried about, I sure hope the board is making the money available in January if it comes to that.
I'd be happy to stick with Hutton and keep him in our own half. With Baines, Moyes often tended to have Hibbert on the other side who concentrated primarily on defending. A total plodder of a player but solid enough and reliable at the back.
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O'Leary is a 14/1 shot!!
Only because he stuck a load of money on himself the egotistical twat muffin.
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I'd go with Bielsa or Girard with Rowett as assistant manager working under him ready to be successor.
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O'Leary is a 14/1 shot!!
Dermot?
No, but Timothy O'Leary has some interesting ideas on how to improve the players diet and nutrition!
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Moyes winning 4 zip today doesn't help does it!
Please god not Pearson
I would like to think that Reilly, with so much influence on players recruitment, would have a say on manager to work with them.
I reckon his pre-existing relationship with Rodgers will come to pass though.
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Come on, admit it - who voted for Monk?
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I wonder if they already have someone lined up?
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I wonder if they already have someone lined up?
Hahahahaha
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It just goes to show how far we have fallen with that shite line up of managerial candidates
Does anyone remember the Porridge feature film where they arrange an all star team to play the prisoners? And no one recognises anyone that turns up. Fast forward 40 odd years or so and that's us.
I cannot see a single one of that list doing anything other than getting us to either fluctuate between 18th-20th-19th positions before we eventually drop. Too many years skirting with relegation our club is a sick man throughout.
You might as well bring in Barbara Windsor from her Carry on Camping days, at least when we are continually getting thumped week in week out we can watch her doing her exercise routines by the dug out.
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Moyes winning 4 zip today doesn't help does it!
Please god not Pearson
I would like to think that Reilly, with so much influence on players recruitment, would have a say on manager to work with them.
I reckon his pre-existing relationship with Rodgers will come to pass though.
if it is Rodgers who would he have as his assistants? He fired his last two who'd been with him for a long time.
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Frank!
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Young European please.
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Young European please.
sorted
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Frank!
Carson?
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Why are people suggesting Rowett FFS !!!
We need proven experience ! Kin hell.
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Frank!
Carson?
The way we've gone about hiring managers I would expect Frank Lampard as a player-manager.
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Why are people suggesting Rowett FFS !!!
Says the person asking if we'd have MON back.
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Ive just had a text off a pal saying board have approached Hull for Steve Bruce!!!!! Hes no longer a pal
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I wonder if they already have someone lined up?
Hahahahaha
Chortle.
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Would anyone want Martin O'Neill back
Nope. Never go back.
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I don't have a clue who it's going to be but I just know, just know that the club will cock it up.
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I'm intrigued by Karanka. Good defensive organisation would help a lot
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Why are people suggesting Rowett FFS !!!
Says the person asking if we'd have MON back.
I didn't suggest Oneill just asked. Rowett would be a brain dead appointment
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I'm intrigued by Karanka. Good defensive organisation would help a lot
Would be a decent shout.
Eddie Howe worth a look?
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I don't have a clue who it's going to be but I just know, just know that the club will cock it up.
This is me as well. We can all have our wank fantasies about Villa getting Bielsa/De Boer/Whoever in, but we all know - *KNOW* - that it'll be Joe Kinnear or someone like that.
Did anyone else see the special on BBC earlier about this? They had some journo from the Telegraph on and as he said on the show; Villa have an owner that wants to sell, a chairman that has very limited experience of footballing matters, a director of football that is inexperienced, a chief scout that is inexperienced, a manager that is inexperienced, and finally a load of new players that have no experience of playing in the prem. Considering all that, how could it have ever worked?
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No to Howe.
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It doesn't matter who is Manager at Villa, we have a fundamental problem at Aston Villa and he's called the owner... The structure at Villa Park is also badly set up.. What's needed is for Randy Lerner to find a buyer for Aston Villa asap, once that is done we can start rebuilding the club from top to bottom... We will go down this season regardless of who is Manager, so i think we will struggle to find a decent Manager anyway... This has been building for years and were going to pay for that this season...
Sorry for my negativity but i honestly believe we don't have the players to get us out of trouble this season...
We are a weaker team this season, we sold our best/proven players from last season and replaced them with potential or has beens..
We will need to spend big in January if we are to have any chance this season and our owner will not do that...
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I agree we are down this season. I also think Newcastle will be after a new manager tomorrow and we will be second in the pecking order for anyone decent.
Our team isn't good enough. By a distance.
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Moyes winning 4 zip today doesn't help does it!
Please god not Pearson
I would like to think that Reilly, with so much influence on players recruitment, would have a say on manager to work with them.
I reckon his pre-existing relationship with Rodgers will come to pass though.
if it is Rodgers who would he have as his assistants? He fired his last two who'd been with him for a long time.
That was the club decision wasn't it. Rodgers was a dead man walking at Liverpool at that point.
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I'm intrigued by Karanka. Good defensive organisation would help a lot
Would be a decent shout.
Eddie Howe worth a look?
Eddie Howe struggled at Burnley.
He knows everyone at Bournemouth, it's his club so think it wouldn't be a sure fire banker plus he signed a new deal down there recently?
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Rodgers assistants were sacked by the club behind the managers back.
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Moyes winning 4 zip today doesn't help does it!
Please god not Pearson
I would like to think that Reilly, with so much influence on players recruitment, would have a say on manager to work with them.
I reckon his pre-existing relationship with Rodgers will come to pass though.
if it is Rodgers who would he have as his assistants? He fired his last two who'd been with him for a long time.
That was the club decision wasn't it. Rodgers was a dead man walking at Liverpool at that point.
Just looked it up from an article in The Daily Mail - July 13
The Liverpool manager said he felt he needed to change his support team despite suggestions that he was told to do so at his end-of-season review with Fenway Sports.
'I decided to make a change,' Rodgers said at a press conference in Thailand, where Liverpool landed on Monday for their pre-season tour.
'I had two fantastic guys, both Colin and Mike are great professionals and were very supportive.
'I just felt the need to move in a different direction and the decision was purely made by myself.
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Rodgers assistants were sacked by the club behind the managers back.
No they weren't
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Bielsa for me, but honestly I'd take almost any manager as long as the decision showed some joined up and coherent thinking.
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Rumours on Twitter are that Remi Garde is getting consideration.
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Remi Grade
Get French Football @GFN_France 1m1 minute ago
Breaking: Remi Garde in advanced talks to replace Tim Sherwood at Aston Villa. More to follow. (C+)
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I've voted Rogers as I think he would probably get us out of the shit for this season, but I think Moyes would be the best longer term solution, not sure if it might take him longer to have an impact. I also think Karanka could be a good long term option as Middlesbrough play some really good football and don't really have individual stand out players. They're excellent defensively as well.
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Whoever comes in needs to be given 18 months even if we go down
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Well with the amount of French league players we have in the squad, that might actually be a logical if very risky appointment. Garde also speaks English from his time at Arsenal.
He didn't do great at Lyon though...
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Rumours on Twitter are that Remi Garde is getting consideration.
He's not in management, had a 51% win record at Lyon, and was linked with us before, but more so with the Newcastle job. He's the kind of manager that would have been great as an assistant to Houllier if Houllier had stayed healthy, and could have then taken over. With all of the French and French language players in the squad not a bad shout at all.
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Well with the amount of French league players we have in the squad, that might actually be a logical if very risky appointment. Garde also speaks English from his time at Arsenal.
He didn't do great at Lyon though...
He only lost 31 in 117
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Well with the amount of French league players we have in the squad, that might actually be a logical if very risky appointment. Garde also speaks English from his time at Arsenal.
He didn't do great at Lyon though...
He only lost 31 in 117
I'm pretty sure Lyon who are regular title contenders (finished 2nd last season) finished 6th in one of his seasons though.
Bad English would give us a better precis on him.
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Wont be moyes
Rodgers
Pearson
He wont be Scottish or English
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I don't trust the club at all to get this decision correct.
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It does follow logic that with Reilly calling the plauer shots a european manager might be worth a shot. Arsenal connection too.
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Well with the amount of French league players we have in the squad, that might actually be a logical if very risky appointment. Garde also speaks English from his time at Arsenal.
He didn't do great at Lyon though...
He only lost 31 in 117
I'm pretty sure Lyon who are regular title contenders (finished 2nd last season) finished 6th in one of his seasons though.
Bad English would give us a better precis on him.
Looking through the seasons he was in charge, Lyon were hovering around the mid-60s in the points range. That seems a little underwhelming given how dominant they were in the mid-2000s, but I think there was a stage a couple of seasons ago where they cut costs and sold players like Lloris and Pjanic without really replacing them.
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Remi Grade
Get French Football @GFN_France 1m1 minute ago
Breaking: Remi Garde in advanced talks to replace Tim Sherwood at Aston Villa. More to follow. (C+)
Hmmm. Seems a bit of an easy appointment. Someone out of work. He has worked under Houllier so there might be a little consistency in what he does without what Houllier attempted to put into place here.
That said I'm not sure I fancy a manager who's only had three years in France and hasn't work in a year. I think it has potential disaster written all over it.
But of course we lose every fucking game as it is, so he can only keep parity or improve really. Same with anyone we appoint.
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Wont be moyes
Rodgers
Pearson
He wont be Scottish or English
French JP??
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Well with the amount of French league players we have in the squad, that might actually be a logical if very risky appointment. Garde also speaks English from his time at Arsenal.
He didn't do great at Lyon though...
He only lost 31 in 117
I'm pretty sure Lyon who are regular title contenders (finished 2nd last season) finished 6th in one of his seasons though.
Bad English would give us a better precis on him.
Looking through the seasons he was in charge, Lyon were hovering around the mid-60s in the points range. That seems a little underwhelming given how dominant they were in the mid-2000s, but I think there was a stage a couple of seasons ago where they cut costs and sold players like Lloris and Pjanic without really replacing them.
It also co-incides with PSG spunking all that cash and becoming the dominent force.
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It won't be a shock the more I think about it. Arsenal links, French players in the squad. He has certainly brought up playing a style of football we all love to watch.
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bold move if it happens but if anyone can get the best out of our French contingent...
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Wont be moyes
Rodgers
Pearson
He wont be Scottish or English
French JP??
No idea ozz yet. just hope it aint Bradley. All i know not English or Scottish
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Why are people suggesting Rowett FFS !!!
Says the person asking if we'd have MON back.
I didn't suggest Oneill just asked. Rowett would be a brain dead appointment
I know, which is why I said "asking if we'd have MON back".
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Rumours on Twitter are that Remi Garde is getting consideration.
He's not in management, had a 51% win record at Lyon, and was linked with us before, but more so with the Newcastle job. He's the kind of manager that would have been great as an assistant to Houllier if Houllier had stayed healthy, and could have then taken over. With all of the French and French language players in the squad not a bad shout at all.
Ok let's look on the bright side...
Arsene Wenger had a 29% win record with Nancy and a 48% win record with Monaco before managing Arsenal, so Garde beats that. He also achieved a lot of his success with lots of good young French players, of which we have quite a few in our squad. :-)
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Why are people suggesting Rowett FFS !!!
Says the person asking if we'd have MON back.
I didn't suggest Oneill just asked. Rowett would be a brain dead appointment
I know, which is why I said "asking if we'd have MON back".
That's a false narrative .
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Silhill, would you like to say who you would like?
Or are you just going to slate every suggestion and criticise whoever we do appoint regardless of who it is?
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Garde 8-15 Fav now on William Hill and Ladbrokes
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Matt Spiro @mattspiro 17m17 minutes ago
Rémi Garde is in advanced talks with Aston Villa and big favourite to replace Sherwood, announce Garde's current employer Canal Plus #AVFC
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Silhill, would you like to say who you would like?
Or are you just going to slate every suggestion and criticise whoever we do appoint regardless of who it is?
I'd have taken Allardyce . Id be ok with Moyes, but can't see him coming. Garde I would see as a car crash appointment . If O'Neill apologised I would consider taking him back.
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remi garde makes some sense with all the arsenal connections and the french influx...
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Looks like it is definitely Rémi Garde then, unless everyone on twitter is wrong.
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oh, oh , oh , il est magique , vous savez , le ratio de la victoire de Rémi Garde
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At least he knows English football from playing for Arsenal. Assistant to Houllier, played for Wenger and turned Newcastle down. Would be bold and pretty gutsy move.
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I'm not against this move at all. Probably because it isn't a bog standard, as expected appointment much like the transfer window had some inventiveness about it.
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well if it is Remi, he's going to have to fuck up big time to be more of a car crash than Tim and Paul
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Great. Another total fucking gamble. What could possibly go wrong.
Muppets.
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Mods, How do I change the poll? I'd like to add in Garde and narrow down the selections to Garde plus the top 3.
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Makes sense with all the players from France.
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At least he knows English football from playing for Arsenal. Assistant to Houllier, played for Wenger and turned Newcastle down. Would be bold and pretty gutsy move.
When he turned down Newcastle one reason was there were no Art Galleries of note. Well ours is not bad and there is a Canoletto in there.
What more does he want?
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At least he knows English football from playing for Arsenal. Assistant to Houllier, played for Wenger and turned Newcastle down. Would be bold and pretty gutsy move.
At the Arse he was being groomed as Wenger's long term successor, too. Also active at Arsenal at that time, Fox and Almstadt.
It is totally credible.
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I like it. He left Lyon for personal reasons, nothing to do with results. They were having a decent league season, nothing spectacular I grant you.
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Philippe Auclaire saying there's something in it.
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That would qualify as a 'good move'.
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It is, and reading write ups on the net, he took Lyon over as they hit austerity, worked really well with the young players, played attractive football and gave them belief. I think he may well have been eyed up for a while, and no doubt Houllier will have been asked an opinion.
He might turn it down of course.
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At least he knows English football from playing for Arsenal. Assistant to Houllier, played for Wenger and turned Newcastle down. Would be bold and pretty gutsy move.
When he turned down Newcastle one reason was there were no Art Galleries of note. Well ours is not bad and there is a Canoletto in there.
What more does he want?
Just one Canoletto? Give it to Remi
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It is, and reading write ups on the net, he took Lyon over as they hit austerity, worked really well with the young players, played attractive football and gave them belief. I think he may well have been eyed up for a while, and no doubt Houllier will have been asked an opinion.
He might turn it down of course.
Been talking to someone since last week and the deal was nearly done then.
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It is, and reading write ups on the net, he took Lyon over as they hit austerity, worked really well with the young players, played attractive football and gave them belief. I think he may well have been eyed up for a while, and no doubt Houllier will have been asked an opinion.
He might turn it down of course.
This feel very much like the summer transfers that the board, crazy as this might be to believe, had a plan in the background. That if Garde is appointed this didn't just happen, and maybe the rumoured two games Sherwood had was sufficient time to get things sorted behind the scenes with Garde. Or at least get the ball rolling.
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That would qualify as a 'good move'.
I know bugger all about this bloke, Monty. What's the lowdown?
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It's not bully boy Pearson, so that's good. The players we are trying to assimilate he has excellent knowledge of. From a distance I'm pleasantly encouraged.
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That would qualify as a 'good move'.
I know bugger all about this bloke, Monty. What's the lowdown?
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/why-arsene-wengers-protege-would-be-perfect-man-rejuvenate-newcastle#:v05sqclOtlP8WQ
From last season, worth a read.
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That would qualify as a 'good move'.
At the very least there would be a bit of logic and common sense behind it.
That'll do for now.
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I would imagine he speaks English as he was at the Arsenal for some time. I can just about remember his name. Everything is falling into place.
I think he may be a popular choice.
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Philippe Auclair @PhilippeAuclair 24m24 minutes ago
Oui, la rumeur Remi Garde a Villa est credible
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That would qualify as a 'good move'.
I know bugger all about this bloke, Monty. What's the lowdown?
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/why-arsene-wengers-protege-would-be-perfect-man-rejuvenate-newcastle#:v05sqclOtlP8WQ
From last season, worth a read.
Nods and sees where this might be relevant to the players we have at the club today
Possibly influenced by his time under Wenger, Lyon moved to a version of 4-4-2, with the versatility of his young vibrant players often making it a joy to watch. It would be easier to label the formation 4-3-1-2, with captain Maxime Gonalons at the base of the midfield diamond, either Clement Grenier or Gourcuff at the tip and a mixture of hard-working, dynamic midfielders either side.
Gonalons sitting deep would allow the full-backs to push on, and left-back Henri Bedimo contributed nine assists in Garde’s final season. Playing two up front also helped accelerate the rise of Alexandre Lacazette. Moving in from the right wing, the forward would find space across the final third and use the physical presence of Gomis to spearhead the Lyon attack.
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mais oui..mais oui....toujours toujours as our former manger might have said
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My garded response is that it is interesting, exciting and very risky ... But why not? As someone else said: he'd can't do much worse than DT and TSMII
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We're merde, and we now we are.
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http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Aston-villa-remi-garde-en-pole-position-pour-succeder-a-tim-sherwood-selon-canal/601967
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Risky coin flick of an appointment if true.
A bit like all of our summer signings, there's probably good value cost wise over in France. It's worked with the players so why not the manager....face palm emoticon.
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That would qualify as a 'good move'.
At the very least there would be a bit of logic and common sense behind it.
That'll do for now.
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As in the summer, it almost smacks of us acting with a bit of idea. I hope it is not too late
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I'm intrigued, but suspicious too. This seems just too darn rational an appointment for our club! It's just a shame they didn't have the cojones to make this change in the summer to go along with the new transfer policy. Now we're bottom, he's going to be under a lot of pressure straightaway, and if we go down, is he the man to bring us back up?
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I'd definitely give Garde a chance. I've been suggesting Rene Girard for ages. Garde may well be a younger version.
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Remi Garde has good write-up online from when in the frame for Newcastle, in our current situation, yes please.
The upside is that whoever comes in they cannot get us any lower than were we are now and as others have said, this is our defining moment and cannot screw it up.
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Any chance of his first signing being Lacazette?
I can but dream.
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That would qualify as a 'good move'.
At the very least there would be a bit of logic and common sense behind it.
That'll do for now.
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As in the summer, it almost smacks of us acting with a bit of idea. I hope it is not too late
4 points back 28 games to go. Long, long way to go. To me this feels like being linked to Andros Townsend and Jake Livermore and ending with Idrissa Gueye and Adama Traore.
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I don't know much about Garde but if it's him we just need to all get behind him and the team. We are all in this together.
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As long as we have an art gallery , we might get him.
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I don't know much about him, or indeed anything at all about football management, but he's not Rogers, Sam A or Moyes. Formidable.
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As long as we have an art gallery , we might get him.
BMAG, Ikon and the Barber should keep him happy.
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Well the betting odds are in Remi Garde favour. Was he even mentioned before today? There must be something in it.
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It is a bit of a risk, as like Swansea managers he's very much a Lyon insider who hasn't been tested outside the strong club structure there. That said, he did institute big reforms there post-splurge era, so there's a lot of logic here.
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That would qualify as a 'good move'.
I know bugger all about this bloke, Monty. What's the lowdown?
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/why-arsene-wengers-protege-would-be-perfect-man-rejuvenate-newcastle#:v05sqclOtlP8WQ
From last season, worth a read.
Thanks, paulie. Sounds promising!
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It is a bit of a risk, as like Swansea managers he's very much a Lyon insider who hasn't been tested outside the strong club structure there. That said, he did institute big reforms there post-splurge era, so there's a lot of logic here.
whoever takes over there will be a risk. Even Moyes who knew Everton inside out, coming to Villa, starting again is a risk. But I'd rather this path than the tried and trusted to some degree. At least, when we discuss some level of thought and planning we can say, young French players, young French managers, as opposed to hiring Nigel Pearson or some other lump it manager who won't use our players and we just have to start all over again. If you have ever been a fan of the Arsene Wenger school of football then this is at least encouraging.
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Philippe Auclair @PhilippeAuclair 41m41 minutes ago
Expect the betting on Remi Garde becoming Villa's next manager to be suspended soon.
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Could be our Arsene Wenger but he'll most probably be our Pepe Mel.
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He's not that young, he's nearly 50! But if he were ten years younger he'd be at Chelsea or somewhere. Like I say, looks like a very sound idea, but let's wait and see.
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Could be our Arsene Wenger but he'll most probably be our Pepe Mel.
The first to get a negative comment in, what is wrong with you people?
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when your team cant score goals and the defence's full of holes, call Bielsa
when the players just aren't fit and they don't give a shit, call Bielsa
when confidence is so low and our play has no flow, call Bielsa
when your manager's a fraud and you just cut the chord, call Bielsa
*applause*
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From the little I know of him (mainly what i've read today) i'd be happy with him. And a shitload happier than I would be with Moyes or Nigel Fecking Pearson.
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I would rather go for Moyes in our position but with the players we have have he Seems a perfect fit
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I hope sherwood maintains some dignity now and doesn't start running the club down to his media mates.
I always respect McLeish for never doing this.
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Interesting that Sherwood's staff all got the sack this morning as well, suggests that they've got someone to replace him already, which would tie in with the Garde rumours, I guess - he's been working for French tv, not in football, so no pissing about with compensation or talks etc etc.
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Remi garde listed on Wikipedia as current Aston Villa manager
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I hope sherwood maintains some dignity now and doesn't start running the club down to his media mates.
Not a prayer, sadly, so we'd better brace ourselves.
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I don't know much about Garde but if it's him we just need to all get behind him and the team. We are all in this together.
So, not a car crash appointment, then?
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I don't know much about Garde but if it's him we just need to all get behind him and the team. We are all in this together.
So, not a car crash appointment, then?
No . I've changed my mind. Anyone is a potential car crash though with Lerner in control.
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I hope sherwood maintains some dignity now and doesn't start running the club down to his media mates.
I always respect McLeish for never doing this.
I bet he does just that, the big twat.
I also look forward, should we appoint Garde, to the inevitable 'those bastards at Villa, sacking English hero Sherwood for YET ANOTHER foreigner in the Premier League' type articles in the press. I also look forward to them disappearing as we career up the table using the same set of players.
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I hope sherwood maintains some dignity now and doesn't start running the club down to his media mates.
Not a prayer, sadly, so we'd better brace ourselves.
If he does it will reflect far worse on him than it does us and will show him up for the little shit he is.
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Philippe Auclair @PhilippeAuclair 41m41 minutes ago
Expect the betting on Remi Garde becoming Villa's next manager to be suspended soon.
Already suspended on Skybet and Bet Victor.
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Could be our Arsene Wenger but he'll most probably be our Pepe Mel.
The first to get a negative comment in, what is wrong with you people?
We're not that lucky though are we. Was tongue in cheek. Up to an hour ago did anyone say they wanted Garde?
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Philippe Auclair @PhilippeAuclair 41m41 minutes ago
Expect the betting on Remi Garde becoming Villa's next manager to be suspended soon.
Already suspended on Skybet and Bet Victor.
That's a reflection of lots of people seeing his name mentioned on twitter and piling in on it.
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Remi Garde bringing the best out of new-look Lyon
When Remi Garde took charge of Lyon this season, he was given a one-year contract, told he had no money to spend and inherited a squad low on morale following a tough season under the rigid leadership of former coach Claude Puel.
Several months later, Garde has restored team spirit, has the team playing attractive, attacking football, and successfully blended in youth players while instilling a resilient streak that was lacking under Puel.
Despite trailing in its last three matches, Lyon has bounced back to either win or draw, and it is unbeaten in its last five matches ahead of Saturday's home game against struggling Caen.
"This team has a lot of character, a lot of heart," Garde said after Lyon came from behind to beat Bordeaux 3-1 in the French Cup on Wednesday. "It's tough to beat us at the moment."
Although seven-time former champion Lyon is in fourth place and 10 points behind leader Paris Saint-Germain, the fact it still has an outside shot at winning the title is testament to Garde's innovative, risk-taking approach.
He has put his trust in young players like striker Alexandre Lacazette, midfielder Clement Grenier, center back Samuel Umtiti, who all played under Puel when he was Lyon's youth team coach. Plus, he has not been afraid to drop Yoann Gourcuff.
Gourcuff has failed to live up to expectations since joining Lyon for ?22 million ($27.8 million) from Bordeaux last season. While Puel stubbornly stuck by Gourcuff, Garde has chosen a different approach.
Garde has been fair with Gourcuff, starting him in six league games and four Champions League matches, but has now put him on the bench. The 21-year-old Grenier, a reserve team player last season, has taken his place.
Garde has not given up on Gourcuff altogether, praising him for his part in setting up Lacazette's equalizer against Bordeaux, and diplomatically saying the player "is lacking in rhythm" at the moment.
The 20-year-old Lacazette, another graduate from Lyon's youth team, has scored four goals in his past three games and is challenging Bafetimbi Gomis for a regular starting spot alongside Lisandro Lopez.
Lacazette, who scored the winning goal when France beat Spain to win the under-19 European Championship in 2010, has thanked Garde for giving him a chance to prove himself at a higher level. Grenier also played in the under-19 final.
"Since I have the trust of the team and the coach, it's easier for me out on the field," Lacazette said.
Lyon also trailed 2-0 away to Marseille in the league last weekend but fought back to draw 2-2, a few days after coming back from 2-0 down to beat Lorient 4-2 and reach the League Cup final.
"Everyone in the squad is ambitious and is doing their part," Garde said. "The attitude of the players who come on is remarkable. It's a good sign."
Even Gourcuff, so woefully out of form this season, showed glimpses of his talent on Wednesday, most notably with a superb dragback and flick over the defense in a move that led to Lacazette's goal.
"That will do him some good," said Garde, who remains friends with Arsenal coach Arsene Wenger, having played for the Gunners between 1996-99. Garde also scored 22 goals in 145 league games for Lyon as a skillful defender..
From 2012
http://www.cbssports.com/general/story/17190623/remi-garde-bringing-the-best-out-of-newlook-lyon
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Garde now 1/4 on bet365
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It's a risk, but one seemingly made for the right reasons. I'd be happy to give him a go, at least.
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Where's Randy's plane?
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What about the Poxy Board.....these fuckers aint got a clue How to Run a Football Club.
In any crap company...the rot always starts at the top, The villa business plan must be written on a couple of sheets of bog roll.
Villa need a dictator who will run the show with an iron fist....a character who cares nothing about reputation, except your last match.
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He's just what we need. The players are going to be more excited than the fans if we manage to close the deal. Nine years too late in bringing in a manager of this ranking but better late than never. There's so much to admire about him but I read the other day he turned down the manager/head coach role at Lyon as he didn't think he was ready. Chancer he ain't.
The press are going to be in shock if we pull this off. Newcastle fans are going to be jumping off the Tyne bridge and Percy will be gloating at the 'art scene' in Birmingham.
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My old mans reaction was that's us down then lol so many people will be unsure over it.
I like that with a very european squad we might get a manager who can use them. Spirit a centre forward up to use with them and we might be ok.
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1/16 on WillHill
But yeah Canal Plus have reported it and they are his currently employers. So this is happening.
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Moyes, Garde, Pearson or Lord Lucan - I hope its Randy's last manager.
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Interesting that Sherwood's staff all got the sack this morning as well, suggests that they've got someone to replace him already, which would tie in with the Garde rumours, I guess - he's been working for French tv, not in football, so no pissing about with compensation or talks etc etc.
Except Tony Parkes which I thought was interesting if nothing else.
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I'd love us to go for Montella, but I'll settle for Garde. Good appointment if it happens.
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He's just what we need. The players are going to be more excited than the fans if we manage to close the deal. Nine years too late in bringing in a manager of this ranking but better late than never. There's so much to admire about him but I read the other day he turned down the manager/head coach role at Lyon as he didn't think he was ready. Chancer he ain't.
The press are going to be in shock if we pull this off. Newcastle fans are going to be jumping off the Tyne bridge and Percy will be gloating at the 'art scene' in Birmingham.
Chuffing 'eck. An MK-approved (potential) managerial appointment. Truly end of days.
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There is clear logic to the appointment, which is a start. If Garde comes in and we still go down then at least I can see what the club were trying to do, which is in contrast to the Sherwood appointment.
Also begs the question why Garde wasn't approached back in February. Any particular reason for that?
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I hope sherwood maintains some dignity now and doesn't start running the club down to his media mates.
I always respect McLeish for never doing this.
I bet he does just that, the big twat.
I also look forward, should we appoint Garde, to the inevitable 'those bastards at Villa, sacking English hero Sherwood for YET ANOTHER foreigner in the Premier League' type articles in the press. I also look forward to them disappearing as we career up the table using the same set of players.
Maybe not Gestede as a standard starter though.
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Sorry, this could be buried in the thread somewhere but who is this fella?
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My old mans reaction was that's us down then lol so many people will be unsure over it.
I like that with a very european squad we might get a manager who can use them. Spirit a centre forward up to use with them and we might be ok.
Kozak?
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Looks a done deal, with the Arsenal connection, his immediate availability and our French players, seemed a little obvious in hindsight. Hope a few on here made a few quid backing him
The challenges don't come much bigger
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He seems to have a good rep but it's not obvious why from a Google search.
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Interesting that Sherwood's staff all got the sack this morning as well, suggests that they've got someone to replace him already, which would tie in with the Garde rumours, I guess - he's been working for French tv, not in football, so no pissing about with compensation or talks etc etc.
Except Tony Parkes which I thought was interesting if nothing else.
Everybody's too afraid to tell him.
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I'm more impressed that Garde was included in the poll list at the start of the thread.
Someone knows their onions!!
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Could have legs with the Arsenal links in it.
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Or it's just been edited to add him in quick? ;)
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Told you art galleries were important.
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I'm more impressed that Garde was included in the poll list at the start of the thread.
Someone knows their onions!!
Or someone knows how to edit a poll :)
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Or it's just been edited to add him in quick? ;)
steady on. I'm all ITK me... *whistly bloke*
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I like Tony Parkes and am glad he's staying. He is a good team man and adds value IMHO.
Wilkins was just bizarre.
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Nice easy game if we get him in before next Monday.
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Told you art galleries were important.
<3
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Well, Garde is certainly familiar with having to work with kids on a shoestring budget. Lyon sold most of their best players while he was there and didn't really invest much. I seem to remember he played a fairly bold attacking style, so it would be a progressive move. However, I don't think he really pulled up any trees with Lyon. They sort of ambled along, but no more than that.
Definitely a step in the right direction in terms of the more cerebral approach, but I think there are some question marks over his ability. Given our precarious position, this is a big gamble.
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Could have legs with the Arsenal links in it.
Sky Sports News saying that we are in talks with him.
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Ancelotti? :D
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...Definitely a step in the right direction in terms of the more cerebral approach, but I think there are some question marks over his ability. Given our precarious position, this is a big gamble.
So it could be out of the frying pan, into the fire then
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He's just what we need. The players are going to be more excited than the fans if we manage to close the deal. Nine years too late in bringing in a manager of this ranking but better late than never. There's so much to admire about him but I read the other day he turned down the manager/head coach role at Lyon as he didn't think he was ready. Chancer he ain't.
The press are going to be in shock if we pull this off. Newcastle fans are going to be jumping off the Tyne bridge and Percy will be gloating at the 'art scene' in Birmingham.
Chuffing 'eck. An MK-approved (potential) managerial appointment. Truly end of days.
That was my 'meh' version. I'll be more than happy if we can get him. Obviously he needs to keep us up but with at least £100m coming in next season from the new TV we'll be in great hands. I also expect Lerner will give him whatever he needs in January. My only concern is for Saunders_Heroes but I'm sure it won't take him long to see that Lerner has finally found the right man, not that he won't remind us every 5 minutes just how bloody long it took him to eventually get there.*
*Love you really, S_H ;)
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No really, who is he?
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No really, who is he?
Apparently he's some French bloke who is a pundit on Canal+. A bit like Robbie Savage. ;)
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...Definitely a step in the right direction in terms of the more cerebral approach, but I think there are some question marks over his ability. Given our precarious position, this is a big gamble.
So it could be out of the frying pan, into the fire then
Frying pan - fire would have been appointing Moyes. It would have been a massive gamble to assume he could return to being the manager he was on a good day at Everton.
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4th, 3rd and 5th, but on precisely zero monies and playing excellent stuff with children. Ligue 1 is not a winnable league for Lyon these days, but Garde saw them through a very tough transition and they are stronger for it. We are the guinea pig to discover exactly how good he is. In my opinion he is good, but let's see.
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I'd be comfortable with Pulis at the moment!
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He's just what we need. The players are going to be more excited than the fans if we manage to close the deal. Nine years too late in bringing in a manager of this ranking but better late than never. There's so much to admire about him but I read the other day he turned down the manager/head coach role at Lyon as he didn't think he was ready. Chancer he ain't.
The press are going to be in shock if we pull this off. Newcastle fans are going to be jumping off the Tyne bridge and Percy will be gloating at the 'art scene' in Birmingham.
Chuffing 'eck. An MK-approved (potential) managerial appointment. Truly end of days.
That was my 'meh' version. I'll be more than happy if we can get him. Obviously he needs to keep us up but with at least £100m coming in next season from the new TV we'll be in great hands. I also expect Lerner will give him whatever he needs in January. My only concern is for Saunders_Heroes but I'm sure it won't take him long to see that Lerner has finally found the right man, not that he won't remind us every 5 minutes just how bloody long it took him to eventually get there.*
*Love you really, S_H ;)
Great minds and great names, think alike. I agree with what you say Rudy.
I recall him being a reseve player at Arsenal during Wengers earlier years but dont know his background since. Have done a bit of research and he seems to be what we need.
Dont underestimate the Houllier effect either. We all assume he left under good terms in 2011 as his health was the only reason fior departing. Garde was assistant to Houlier at Lyon so you would hope we have sought the advise of Houlier whose opinion I would respect.
Looks good to me if we can get him
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...Definitely a step in the right direction in terms of the more cerebral approach, but I think there are some question marks over his ability. Given our precarious position, this is a big gamble.
So it could be out of the frying pan, into the fire then
I'd say we're already in the fire, first target is to get back in the frying pan. Is Garde the man to keep us up? Dunno, but what I do know is that I definitely don't know who unquestionably would.
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...Definitely a step in the right direction in terms of the more cerebral approach, but I think there are some question marks over his ability. Given our precarious position, this is a big gamble.
So it could be out of the frying pan, into the fire then
Well let's put it this way, I would have been happer with the appointment if we were starting from a more solid base, because there's no doubt Garde is a step forward from your typical blood-and-guts British manager. If he is the target, then the board should be congratulated for casting their net a bit wider.
But we are up shit creek right now, and Garde has no experience whatsoever of relegation dogfights. He's going to be faced with a situation he's never been in before. And he's not hugely experienced in general.
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4th, 3rd and 5th, but on precisely zero monies and playing excellent stuff with children. Ligue 1 is not a winnable league for Lyon these days, but Garde saw them through a very tough transition and they are stronger for it. We are the guinea pig to discover exactly how good he is. In my opinion he is good, but let's see.
reading a bit more about him he appears much more of a thinker too and is one of the reasons he gravitated to Wenger for advice. We certainly won't get the usual soundbites in press conferences and it would be as far removed from Sherwood as could be imagined.
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3 seasons as manager, sold a lot of good players and replaced them at a profit, won a cup, top 5 all 3 seasons and averaged 64 points per season. I'm happy with his record and it honestly makes sense given our squad. It might not work, all new managers are a risk, but I can see a clear thought process to this so I hope it happens now.
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...Definitely a step in the right direction in terms of the more cerebral approach, but I think there are some question marks over his ability. Given our precarious position, this is a big gamble.
So it could be out of the frying pan, into the fire then
Well let's put it this way, I would have been happer with the appointment if we were starting from a more solid base, because there's no doubt Garde is a step forward from your typical blood-and-guts British manager. If he is the target, then the board should be congratulated for casting their net a bit wider.
But we are up shit creek right now, and Garde has no experience whatsoever of relegation dogfights. He's going to be faced with a situation he's never been in before. And he's not hugely experienced in general.
I wouldn't say we are in a relegation dogfight. We are in the relegation zone but at this stage of the season so much will change. It's a scrap when it gets to March and everyone is desperate for points. But it only takes a couple off wins and things start to change quickly.
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...Definitely a step in the right direction in terms of the more cerebral approach, but I think there are some question marks over his ability. Given our precarious position, this is a big gamble.
So it could be out of the frying pan, into the fire then
Well let's put it this way, I would have been happer with the appointment if we were starting from a more solid base, because there's no doubt Garde is a step forward from your typical blood-and-guts British manager. If he is the target, then the board should be congratulated for casting their net a bit wider.
But we are up shit creek right now, and Garde has no experience whatsoever of relegation dogfights. He's going to be faced with a situation he's never been in before. And he's not hugely experienced in general.
I wouldn't say we are in a relegation dogfight. We are in the relegation zone but at this stage of the season so much will change. It's a scrap when it gets to March and everyone is desperate for points. But it only takes a couple off wins and things start to change quickly.
Exactly.
We're bottom of the league, but it is still October. Plenty of time to turn things around if we appoint the right man.
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New poster here. Seems a terrible stab in the dark to me if true. A guy who has done a so-so job in a crappish league? Come on now. We need someone with experience of fighting a relegation battle in the Premier league because that's what we're in. At the least someone a bit battle hardened. The whole "he'll get the best out of the french players" gambit is just that. You don't need to be the same nationality as players to get the best out of them. Think we're down if true.
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3 seasons as manager, sold a lot of good players and replaced them at a profit, won a cup, top 5 all 3 seasons and averaged 64 points per season. I'm happy with his record and it honestly makes sense given our squad. It might not work, all new managers are a risk, but I can see a clear thought process to this so I hope it happens now.
Win percentage of 51.28 isnt too shaby either
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New poster here. Seems a terrible stab in the dark to me if true. A guy who has done a so-so job in a crappish league? Come on now. We need someone with experience of fighting a relegation battle in the Premier league because that's what we're in. At the least someone a bit battle hardened. The whole "he'll get the best out of the french players" gambit is just that. You don't need to be the same nationality as players to get the best out of them. Think we're down if true.
He kept Lyon competitive despite having no transfer money, brought through young players and made them exciting to watch.
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Could be our Arsene Wenger but he'll most probably be our Pepe Mel.
The first to get a negative comment in, what is wrong with you people?
We're not that lucky though are we. Was tongue in cheek. Up to an hour ago did anyone say they wanted Garde?
Ah, tongue in cheek - apologies then. I made the same comment earlier that he has only just appeared on the radar, much the same as most of our summer signings.
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I want Mark Hughes. He seems to be able to manage a side to win all types of games in a number of ways and styles. He'd do for me.
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No really, who is he?
Apparently he's some French bloke who is a pundit on Canal+. A bit like Robbie Savage. ;)
That made me laugh, I need cheering up.
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...Definitely a step in the right direction in terms of the more cerebral approach, but I think there are some question marks over his ability. Given our precarious position, this is a big gamble.
So it could be out of the frying pan, into the fire then
Well let's put it this way, I would have been happer with the appointment if we were starting from a more solid base, because there's no doubt Garde is a step forward from your typical blood-and-guts British manager. If he is the target, then the board should be congratulated for casting their net a bit wider.
But we are up shit creek right now, and Garde has no experience whatsoever of relegation dogfights. He's going to be faced with a situation he's never been in before. And he's not hugely experienced in general.
I wouldn't say we are in a relegation dogfight. We are in the relegation zone but at this stage of the season so much will change. It's a scrap when it gets to March and everyone is desperate for points. But it only takes a couple off wins and things start to change quickly.
Yes, that's true.
What he will do, I think, is start the process of establishing an ethos at the club - a commitment to technical, attacking football. If we want to go down the Swansea route, he's a good place to start.
But I suspect it will take time, and I just hope he gets a decent honeymoon period, because he strikes me as the type to walk away if he starts getting too much opprobrium.
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Sounds like his career to date is taking him the the brink of greatness. Why would he take the poison chalice that is Villa? £££££?
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Welcome to the site, disagree with you though. We've had plenty of Premier League experience managers. I'd welcome Garde, we need to try something different. Use Southampton as a model rather than perennial-relegation contenders like, well, us, since 2011.
Incidentally, given all the speculation about Garde now, I think the locked thread should be re-opened with a simple "Yes/No/Undecided" on Garde poll added.
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3 seasons as manager, sold a lot of good players and replaced them at a profit, won a cup, top 5 all 3 seasons and averaged 64 points per season. I'm happy with his record and it honestly makes sense given our squad. It might not work, all new managers are a risk, but I can see a clear thought process to this so I hope it happens now.
This is all very good. So why did he leave Lyon?
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Ah, must quote the person I'm replying to... it makes no sense now!
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I only have a basic grasp of French. How difficult is it to misinterpret "Aston Villa, the club not the rock band? You must be joking. I like a challenge but that's professional suicide with that Yank buffoon and his cronies pulling the strings" for "Yes, I'm on the next hovercraft".?
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Bromsgrove Sporting would finish in the French league it's so crap!
*Not really but I got Bromsgrove into a new manager convo and top 5 in the French League! La Boom!
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Depends if you think we can collect 30 odd points by the middle of April or something. It will be some run with this squad.
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3 seasons as manager, sold a lot of good players and replaced them at a profit, won a cup, top 5 all 3 seasons and averaged 64 points per season. I'm happy with his record and it honestly makes sense given our squad. It might not work, all new managers are a risk, but I can see a clear thought process to this so I hope it happens now.
This is all very good. So why did he leave Lyon?
"For personal and family reasons" apparently. Have a read of this: Why Arsene Wenger's protégé would be the perfect man to rejuvenate Newcastle (http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/why-arsene-wengers-protege-would-be-perfect-man-rejuvenate-newcastle#:PHCTzUevCSbydA)
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People always seem to want Klinsmann when we're casting round for a new manager. Can never understand why though. He's really not very good at all.
From the more realistic candidates (so no de Boer) I'd settle for any of Moyes, Rodgers or AVB. Not entirely sure about Remi Garde and how good he is to be honest.
Can see us ending up with Pearson though.
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New poster here. Seems a terrible stab in the dark to me if true. A guy who has done a so-so job in a crappish league? Come on now. We need someone with experience of fighting a relegation battle in the Premier league because that's what we're in. At the least someone a bit battle hardened. The whole "he'll get the best out of the french players" gambit is just that. You don't need to be the same nationality as players to get the best out of them. Think we're down if true.
He kept Lyon competitive despite having no transfer money, brought through young players and made them exciting to watch.
totally different style of play needed in the french league and having no transfer money in the french league is not the handicap it is in the PL where even the minnows can outspend half the french league.
To stay up this season is not going to be pretty, and some possibly promising manager attempting to play tippy-tappy football with a lot of inexperienced, low on morale youngsters is a recipe for disaster imo
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The club need to slow, chill and take time to get right man. This squad under KMac won't go down, so no hasty crap decisions.
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Sorry if this has already been posted:
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/why-arsene-wengers-protege-would-be-perfect-man-rejuvenate-newcastle#:xQYY_0bno5JTKA
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New poster here. Seems a terrible stab in the dark to me if true. A guy who has done a so-so job in a crappish league? Come on now. We need someone with experience of fighting a relegation battle in the Premier league because that's what we're in. At the least someone a bit battle hardened. The whole "he'll get the best out of the french players" gambit is just that. You don't need to be the same nationality as players to get the best out of them. Think we're down if true.
He kept Lyon competitive despite having no transfer money, brought through young players and made them exciting to watch.
totally different style of play needed in the french league and having no transfer money in the french league is not the handicap it is in the PL where even the minnows can outspend half the french league.
To stay up this season is not going to be pretty, and some possibly promising manager attempting to play tippy-tappy football with a lot of inexperienced, low on morale youngsters is a recipe for disaster imo
you're right. Let's get in McLeish or Pulis.
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Is there a manager out there with the perfect CV suited to us? I can't think of one. All of the front runners have big question marks over them:
Moyes - dour and two failed jobs since Everton
Rogers - spent a fortune to turn Liverpool into a solid mid-table team
Garde - no Premier League experience
Pearson - lunatic
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Bonus is we're are still only a half decent string of results from midtable (see WBA) and Bournemouth and Norwich seem to have shot their load. Problem is we don't look like we can put any sort of run together. Whoever comes in needs to hit the ground running and stop us from conceding and make us difficult to play against. We simply need to stop losing! Whether RG is the man, I don't know, but I do know that sticking with TS would not have addressed any of the above. We need to get to around 20 points ASAP and certainly by Xmas/New Year.
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Is there a manager out there with the perfect CV suited to us? I can't think of one. All of the front runners have big question marks over them:
Moyes - dour and two failed jobs since Everton
Rogers - spent a fortune to turn Liverpool into a solid mid-table team
Garde - no Premier League experience
Pearson - lunatic
No such thing as a perfect CV when you're in our position. The closest you would get is Alan Pardew and he's a twat.
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Even if it means going down this year, I'd rather we take someone on that suggests we are building for the future than get a short term appointment in that might keep us up but would mean we remain in this perpetual state of fighting relegation each year. I'm all for the gamble
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New poster here. Seems a terrible stab in the dark to me if true. A guy who has done a so-so job in a crappish league? Come on now. We need someone with experience of fighting a relegation battle in the Premier league because that's what we're in. At the least someone a bit battle hardened. The whole "he'll get the best out of the french players" gambit is just that. You don't need to be the same nationality as players to get the best out of them. Think we're down if true.
He kept Lyon competitive despite having no transfer money, brought through young players and made them exciting to watch.
totally different style of play needed in the french league and having no transfer money in the french league is not the handicap it is in the PL where even the minnows can outspend half the french league.
To stay up this season is not going to be pretty, and some possibly promising manager attempting to play tippy-tappy football with a lot of inexperienced, low on morale youngsters is a recipe for disaster imo
Who would you prefer?
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I think every single one of the front runners is going to improve on Sherwood. Most definitely. If we still go down, then it's obviously our time and the rebuilding process will need to begin.
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New poster here. Seems a terrible stab in the dark to me if true. A guy who has done a so-so job in a crappish league? Come on now. We need someone with experience of fighting a relegation battle in the Premier league because that's what we're in. At the least someone a bit battle hardened. The whole "he'll get the best out of the french players" gambit is just that. You don't need to be the same nationality as players to get the best out of them. Think we're down if true.
He kept Lyon competitive despite having no transfer money, brought through young players and made them exciting to watch.
totally different style of play needed in the french league
You say that as if there's only one way of playing in the French League. Or in England for that matter.
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If we're plundering Ligue 1 for a manager, I'd probably have gone for Claude Puel. I think he's in the last year of his contract at Nice.
But Garde has the advantage of having played in England.
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According to wiki, Remi Garde is Villa manager already! Who the feck wastes their time falsely updating wiki?
[size=78%]The new manager has the nucleus of a side there and I'd go something along the lines of Guzan; Richards, Okore, Clark, Lescott; Adama, Sanchez, Gueye, Amavi; Grealish; Gestede[/size]
Call that a 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1, etc and we can bring Gil, Sinclair, Gardner, etc through. That back four and Rudi should help us at corners!
I'd take Rodgers or Moyes, they've done ok at the next level down, having failed with top four teams. Apart from the obvious (Redknapp and our last few managers), I'd accept pretty much anybody. Thanks, Randy!
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New poster here. Seems a terrible stab in the dark to me if true. A guy who has done a so-so job in a crappish league? Come on now. We need someone with experience of fighting a relegation battle in the Premier league because that's what we're in. At the least someone a bit battle hardened. The whole "he'll get the best out of the french players" gambit is just that. You don't need to be the same nationality as players to get the best out of them. Think we're down if true.
He kept Lyon competitive despite having no transfer money, brought through young players and made them exciting to watch.
Why do I have the feeling this is the part of his CV that led Randy to tap the desk next to his picture?
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If we're plundering Ligue 1 for a manager, I'd probably have gone for Claude Puel. I think he's in the last year of his contract at Nice.
But Garde has the advantage of having played in England.
Did Garde replace him at Lyon?
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According to wiki, Remi Garde is Villa manager already! Who the feck wastes their time falsely updating wiki?
[size=78%]The new manager has the nucleus of a side there and I'd go something along the lines of Guzan; Richards, Okore, Clark, Lescott; Adama, Sanchez, Gueye, Amavi; Grealish; Gestede[/size]
Call that a 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1, etc and we can bring Gil, Sinclair, Gardner, etc through. That back four and Rudi should help us at corners!
I'd take Rodgers or Moyes, they've done ok at the next level down, having failed with top four teams. Apart from the obvious (Redknapp and our last few managers), I'd accept pretty much anybody. Thanks, Randy!
Good post but I tjink Lescott has fallen off a cliff playing wise.
I hope Guzan rediscovers pre 2015 form quickly.
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Is anything likely to improve while Lerner is still owner ??
Aren't we all just kidding ourselves
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Is anything likely to improve while Lerner is still owner ??
Aren't we all just kidding ourselves
fuck me. Do you ever stop? Your life is one big white flag.
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Here's another thing: Garde will know Veretout, Amavi, Gana and Ayew pretty well already, so there'll be no moaning about the squad from him as he knows exactly what he's getting into; and, hopefully, how to get the best out of them.
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Is anything likely to improve while Lerner is still owner ??
Aren't we all just kidding ourselves
Do you sit in the Upper North stand? Row U by any chance?
I don't recall your replynlast time I asked.
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Is anything likely to improve while Lerner is still owner ??
Aren't we all just kidding ourselves
So when I asked who you'd want, you listed one guy who you thought we wouldn't get and two managers who you knew perfectly well we would never, ever consider (one having become Sunderland manager last week, the other being hated by most fans and the Chairman).
Now you're basically getting in your excuses to continue moaning, whoever we appoint.
If football makes you so unhappy, maybe consider a different hobby?
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New poster here. Seems a terrible stab in the dark to me if true. A guy who has done a so-so job in a crappish league? Come on now. We need someone with experience of fighting a relegation battle in the Premier league because that's what we're in. At the least someone a bit battle hardened. The whole "he'll get the best out of the french players" gambit is just that. You don't need to be the same nationality as players to get the best out of them. Think we're down if true.
He kept Lyon competitive despite having no transfer money, brought through young players and made them exciting to watch.
totally different style of play needed in the french league and having no transfer money in the french league is not the handicap it is in the PL where even the minnows can outspend half the french league.
To stay up this season is not going to be pretty, and some possibly promising manager attempting to play tippy-tappy football with a lot of inexperienced, low on morale youngsters is a recipe for disaster imo
you're right. Let's get in McLeish or Pulis.
You only have to look at the Northeast derby/relegation battle. Having some manager determined to play it on the floor with some of our players technical ability...well they'd get eaten alive by a BigSam team
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New poster here. Seems a terrible stab in the dark to me if true. A guy who has done a so-so job in a crappish league? Come on now. We need someone with experience of fighting a relegation battle in the Premier league because that's what we're in. At the least someone a bit battle hardened. The whole "he'll get the best out of the french players" gambit is just that. You don't need to be the same nationality as players to get the best out of them. Think we're down if true.
He kept Lyon competitive despite having no transfer money, brought through young players and made them exciting to watch.
totally different style of play needed in the french league and having no transfer money in the french league is not the handicap it is in the PL where even the minnows can outspend half the french league.
To stay up this season is not going to be pretty, and some possibly promising manager attempting to play tippy-tappy football with a lot of inexperienced, low on morale youngsters is a recipe for disaster imo
you're right. Let's get in McLeish or Pulis.
You only have to look at the Northeast derby/relegation battle. Having some manager determined to play it on the floor with some of our players technical ability...well they'd get east alive by a BigSam team
Respect your opinion etc etc, but really, have you been watching our team this season? The players are perfectly sound technically; they're just lacking shape, cohesion, confidence and a plan. Should we be lumping it long to Gil and Grealish?
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Maybe he'll even be able to get a tune out of N'Zogbia?
I might be getting carried away.
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Is anything likely to improve while Lerner is still owner ??
Aren't we all just kidding ourselves
We spent £50m in the summer. What more do you want Lerner to do? Dont give me any of this net spend bollocks either. We sold Beneteke for £32m and in our position we arent going to go out and spend that money on a £30m replacement. I think we have decent players. A good manager will ensure we get some points on the board. Any new manager will get £ to spend in the Jan as well
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Maybe he'll even be able to get a tune out of N'Zogbia?
I might be getting carried away.
you need to go lie down, or simply go away and consider what you have just written
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Blimey, i'd forgotten about Aladdin. Toronto's right though ; try a radox bath and a few tamazapans
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New poster here. Seems a terrible stab in the dark to me if true. A guy who has done a so-so job in a crappish league? Come on now. We need someone with experience of fighting a relegation battle in the Premier league because that's what we're in. At the least someone a bit battle hardened. The whole "he'll get the best out of the french players" gambit is just that. You don't need to be the same nationality as players to get the best out of them. Think we're down if true.
He kept Lyon competitive despite having no transfer money, brought through young players and made them exciting to watch.
totally different style of play needed in the french league and having no transfer money in the french league is not the handicap it is in the PL where even the minnows can outspend half the french league.
To stay up this season is not going to be pretty, and some possibly promising manager attempting to play tippy-tappy football with a lot of inexperienced, low on morale youngsters is a recipe for disaster imo
you're right. Let's get in McLeish or Pulis.
You only have to look at the Northeast derby/relegation battle. Having some manager determined to play it on the floor with some of our players technical ability...well they'd get eaten alive by a BigSam team
Sunderland were being played off the park until Coloccini decided he was the only defender in Europe who can't outrun Steven Fletcher and did something stupid.
I'd say the myriad of small, quick attacking midfield players we have are far more suited to an incisive passing game than they are hoofball.
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Maybe he'll even be able to get a tune out of N'Zogbia?
I might be getting carried away.
you need to go lie down, or simply go away and consider what you have just written
I've been under a lot of pressure. Prescription painkillers etc. I'll come back stronger.
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New poster here. Seems a terrible stab in the dark to me if true. A guy who has done a so-so job in a crappish league? Come on now. We need someone with experience of fighting a relegation battle in the Premier league because that's what we're in. At the least someone a bit battle hardened. The whole "he'll get the best out of the french players" gambit is just that. You don't need to be the same nationality as players to get the best out of them. Think we're down if true.
He kept Lyon competitive despite having no transfer money, brought through young players and made them exciting to watch.
totally different style of play needed in the french league and having no transfer money in the french league is not the handicap it is in the PL where even the minnows can outspend half the french league.
To stay up this season is not going to be pretty, and some possibly promising manager attempting to play tippy-tappy football with a lot of inexperienced, low on morale youngsters is a recipe for disaster imo
you're right. Let's get in McLeish or Pulis.
You only have to look at the Northeast derby/relegation battle. Having some manager determined to play it on the floor with some of our players technical ability...well they'd get east alive by a BigSam team
Respect your opinion etc etc, but really, have you been watching our team this season? The players are perfectly sound technically; they're just lacking shape, cohesion, confidence and a plan. Should we be lumping it long to Gil and Grealish?
Some are, others are poor technically, especially the defence. Gil and Grealish are good technical players, but again give the impression of being too easily knocked off the ball
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Maybe he'll even be able to get a tune out of N'Zogbia?
I might be getting carried away.
you need to go lie down, or simply go away and consider what you have just written
I've been under a lot of pressure. Prescription painkillers etc. I'll come back stronger.
I wish you well on your road to recovery
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New poster here. Seems a terrible stab in the dark to me if true. A guy who has done a so-so job in a crappish league? Come on now. We need someone with experience of fighting a relegation battle in the Premier league because that's what we're in. At the least someone a bit battle hardened. The whole "he'll get the best out of the french players" gambit is just that. You don't need to be the same nationality as players to get the best out of them. Think we're down if true.
He kept Lyon competitive despite having no transfer money, brought through young players and made them exciting to watch.
totally different style of play needed in the french league and having no transfer money in the french league is not the handicap it is in the PL where even the minnows can outspend half the french league.
To stay up this season is not going to be pretty, and some possibly promising manager attempting to play tippy-tappy football with a lot of inexperienced, low on morale youngsters is a recipe for disaster imo
you're right. Let's get in McLeish or Pulis.
You only have to look at the Northeast derby/relegation battle. Having some manager determined to play it on the floor with some of our players technical ability...well they'd get east alive by a BigSam team
Respect your opinion etc etc, but really, have you been watching our team this season? The players are perfectly sound technically; they're just lacking shape, cohesion, confidence and a plan. Should we be lumping it long to Gil and Grealish?
Some are, others are poor technically, especially the defence. Gil and Grealish are good technical players, but again give the impression of being too easily knocked off the ball
I think you're attributing things to the players which are really down to shitty coaching, like the lack of movement or options for the man on the ball.
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Maybe he'll even be able to get a tune out of N'Zogbia?
I might be getting carried away.
you need to go lie down, or simply go away and consider what you have just written
I've been under a lot of pressure. Prescription painkillers etc. I'll come back stronger.
Pull yourself together man.
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I'd imagine Remi might be looking to sort some of our defensive frailties by playing Richards in position and bringing back Clark, Okore and Amavi.
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Maybe he'll even be able to get a tune out of N'Zogbia?
I might be getting carried away.
you need to go lie down, or simply go away and consider what you have just written
I've been under a lot of pressure. Prescription painkillers etc. I'll come back stronger.
What's up hun?
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I'd imagine Remi might be looking to sort some of our defensive frailties by playing Richards in position and bringing back Clark, Okore and Amavi.
Feck me I'd completely forgot about Okore. What the hell is wrong with him?
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Going to the U21 game tomorrow, might see him there?
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Garde - or any prospective new manager - wouldn't have the obligation to play Richards at centre-back like Sherwood promised (although Christ knows, maybe they put it in the contract or something), which might lead to Okore-Clark or even Tiago Ilori coming in.
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New poster here. Seems a terrible stab in the dark to me if true. A guy who has done a so-so job in a crappish league? Come on now. We need someone with experience of fighting a relegation battle in the Premier league because that's what we're in. At the least someone a bit battle hardened. The whole "he'll get the best out of the french players" gambit is just that. You don't need to be the same nationality as players to get the best out of them. Think we're down if true.
He kept Lyon competitive despite having no transfer money, brought through young players and made them exciting to watch.
totally different style of play needed in the french league and having no transfer money in the french league is not the handicap it is in the PL where even the minnows can outspend half the french league.
To stay up this season is not going to be pretty, and some possibly promising manager attempting to play tippy-tappy football with a lot of inexperienced, low on morale youngsters is a recipe for disaster imo
you're right. Let's get in McLeish or Pulis.
You only have to look at the Northeast derby/relegation battle. Having some manager determined to play it on the floor with some of our players technical ability...well they'd get east alive by a BigSam team
Respect your opinion etc etc, but really, have you been watching our team this season? The players are perfectly sound technically; they're just lacking shape, cohesion, confidence and a plan. Should we be lumping it long to Gil and Grealish?
Some are, others are poor technically, especially the defence. Gil and Grealish are good technical players, but again give the impression of being too easily knocked off the ball
So the solution to that is to move the ball quickly rather than hanging it up in the air so defenders can get close to them and push them around.
Gabby, Gestede and Hutton have poor technique, all of them have a first touch that's like a pass but the rest of the squad have shown they can play quick passing technical football so it's the right choice for the players we have. That's why I've been against a lot of the typical British names that have come up, they're square pegs for round holes, just like Sherwood was.
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I hope Garde (or whoever it is) has been at recent games to observe Lescott's 'abilities' and gives him a rest.
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I don't know. Whoever comes in, there's not one area of the team i'm reasonably happy with as something we can work on. From the error prone back 4, to the powderpuff midfield to the toothless attack. It's a mish-mash of various manager's abortive attempts to build something in their image. Probably needs a bigger clear-out than at any time since the MON era but Lerner isn't going to sanction that.
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I wonder if there is a Houllier recommendation somewhere in this?
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I wonder if there is a Houllier recommendation somewhere in this?
I hope there is nothing ofbthe sort and he, if it is him, is hired on his own merit. Not the opinion of some Has Been. I remember Redcrap recomending Tony Adams for the Pompey role. Hmmm
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I don't know. Whoever comes in, there's not one area of the team i'm reasonably happy with as something we can work on. From the error prone back 4, to the powderpuff midfield to the toothless attack. It's a mish-mash of various manager's abortive attempts to build something in their image. Probably needs a bigger clear-out than at any time since the MON era but Lerner isn't going to sanction that.
Our creative midfielders, Grealish, Gil, Traore, are the best we've had in a long time, we just ned a manager that can utilise them.
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How many French speaking players have we actually got ? CNZ , Amavi, vertoute, Ayew ? , Okore ? , any others ?
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I don't know. Whoever comes in, there's not one area of the team i'm reasonably happy with as something we can work on. From the error prone back 4, to the powderpuff midfield to the toothless attack. It's a mish-mash of various manager's abortive attempts to build something in their image. Probably needs a bigger clear-out than at any time since the MON era but Lerner isn't going to sanction that.
Our creative midfielders, Grealish, Gil, Traore, are the best we've had in a long time, we just ned a manager that can utilise them.
I agree. The one thing that gives me some hope is I really beleive this team of players is actually rather good. They have just been unlucky or poorly coached or both.
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How many French speaking players have we actually got ? CNZ , Amavi, vertoute, Ayew ? , Okore ? , any others ?
Gabby.
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remi garde,not many people saw that one coming(jp maybe)
crème de menthe
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I saw that as a viable option. Remy is decent
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How many French speaking players have we actually got ? CNZ , Amavi, vertoute, Ayew ? , Okore ? , any others ?
Sanchez, Gestede, possibly Joe Cole if he comes back from Coventry.
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How many French speaking players have we actually got ? CNZ , Amavi, vertoute, Ayew ? , Okore ? , any others ?
Okore, Gana, Senderos, Veretout, Ayew, Amavi, N'Zogbia, Gestede, Siegrist/Cissokho (on loan) and Sarkic (under-21s).
I think that's it.
We could do with more though. I'd make a bit for Joey Le Barton.
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Traore speaks french as well
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How many French speaking players have we actually got ? CNZ , Amavi, vertoute, Ayew ? , Okore ? , any others ?
Gabby.
Bravo sir !
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Okore's Danish isn't he? I'm sure he did well at school but do we know for sure about his linguistic abilities?
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How many French speaking players have we actually got ? CNZ , Amavi, vertoute, Ayew ? , Okore ? , any others ?
Gabby.
That's just the way he kisses. I'm told.
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One thing's for sure, Garde had an excellent relationship with Aulas at Lyon and left the club in a dignified way.
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I so wanted Sherwood to succeed. Thanks for the Semi final, but I guess the change had to be made.
I am struggling to think of a manager I would want who would realistically come to us. I would be happy with Rodgers but can't see him coming to VP, ditto Moyes. Please not Pearson, that would be so small time and unremarkable. plus he's mental. The more I think about Remi Garde the better I feel. It's a risk but an interesting one. Mind you I said that about Tim Sherwood.
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Okore's Danish isn't he? I'm sure he did well at school but do we know for sure about his linguistic abilities?
I think Okore's parents are Ivorian and he was born there.
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Okore's Danish isn't he? I'm sure he did well at school but do we know for sure about his linguistic abilities?
He was born in the Cote d'Ivoire.
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Ah. Thanks both.
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Bielsa, Prandelli, Guidolin, Donadoni....
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Can I ask who Remi Garde is? I know the name, just not sure who/what he's done?
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Can I ask who Remi Garde is? I know the name, just not sure who/what he's done?
Ex Lyon coach.
Now a canal Tv pundit.
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Can I ask who Remi Garde is? I know the name, just not sure who/what he's done?
Ex Lyon manager who took over when they went from outspending most of that league to huge cut backs, largely to fund a new stadium I believe. From a few pages back:
3 seasons as manager, sold a lot of good players and replaced them at a profit, won a cup, top 5 all 3 seasons and averaged 64 points per season. I'm happy with his record and it honestly makes sense given our squad. It might not work, all new managers are a risk, but I can see a clear thought process to this so I hope it happens now.
Win percentage of 51.28 isnt too shaby either
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Also played for Arsenal 1996-99
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Also played for Arsenal 1996-99
That's where I remember him from! I knew I knew the name!
Not a bad record on the manager front either.
Thanks all.
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Bielsa, Prandelli, Guidolin, Donadoni....
More likely to be Pearson, Curbishley, Pearce, Southgate.
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Was considered for the Newcastle job similar to villa situation . by all accounts he more plausible than dim Sherwood and speaks better English too. He would get villa playing decent stuff and would know how to represent the club in media due to his canal plus work. Is a risk to an extent but Let's bring him in with i previouslyb mentioned ginola but robert pires as an attacking coach would be maginfique. Yes Robert pires would bring a touch of class along with garde.
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I don't think you can set much store by win percentages in Ligue 1. The standard isn't great.
I think it's more about his ability to get performances out of quite a young group of players, and to bring through the academy kids. He was blessed with some very talented youngsters at Lyon. If he does come, here's hoping he gets to go back for Fekir and Lacazette, for a start. He also oversaw the development of a certain Anthony Martial, too.
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I see Dwight Yorke has put his hat in the ring. The cheek of the man...
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I see Dwight Yorke has put his hat in the ring. The cheek of the man...
He's never knowingly walked past a ring without putting something in it.
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I think Alan Hutton is fluent in French.
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I'll need Remy Martin at this rate...
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I think Alan Hutton is fluent in French.
Yep, taught himself so he could read Proust in the original. He had a lot of time on his hands under Lambert.
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Who ever it is (hopefully Moyes) please play Clark and Okore as CB'S and move Richards to RB. Amavi at LB or Lescott - who I think is suffering a crisis of confidence in a struggling team. Surely that defence looks more powerful ?
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Richards is our best centre-half. It's a more important position than right back. I'd leave him there, with Clark alongside him. It's crossed my mind before that Okore could work at right back, purely basing this on the fact his lack of height is less likely to be a problem there.
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How many French speaking players have we actually got ? CNZ , Amavi, vertoute, Ayew ? , Okore ? , any others ?
Okore, Gana, Senderos, Veretout, Ayew, Amavi, N'Zogbia, Gestede, Siegrist/Cissokho (on loan) and Sarkic (under-21s).
I think that's it.
I reckon that Sanchez might have picked up a few words during his six years in Ligue 1.
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Agree Richards in no CB
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Garde drifting again in the Betfair Exchange. You can get him at 8/13 now.
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I think Alan Hutton is fluent in French.
Yep, taught himself so he could read Proust in the original. He had a lot of time on his hands under Lambert.
Barry Bannan was running with the Oulipo at the same time but fell out with them over using the letter Y as a vowel function.
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How many French speaking players have we actually got ? CNZ , Amavi, vertoute, Ayew ? , Okore ? , any others ?
Okore, Gana, Senderos, Veretout, Ayew, Amavi, N'Zogbia, Gestede, Siegrist/Cissokho (on loan) and Sarkic (under-21s).
I think that's it.
I reckon that Sanchez might have picked up a few words during his six years in Ligue 1.
He clearly didn't learn the French for "hair cut".
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How many French speaking players have we actually got ? CNZ , Amavi, vertoute, Ayew ? , Okore ? , any others ?
Okore, Gana, Senderos, Veretout, Ayew, Amavi, N'Zogbia, Gestede, Siegrist/Cissokho (on loan) and Sarkic (under-21s).
I think that's it.
I reckon that Sanchez might have picked up a few words during his six years in Ligue 1.
He clearly didn't learn the French for "hair cut".
He'll stick with "bouffant."
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I think Alan Hutton is fluent in French.
Yep, taught himself so he could read Proust in the original. He had a lot of time on his hands under Lambert.
Barry Bannan was running with the Oulipo at the same time but fell out with them over using the letter Y as a vowel function.
Barry Bannan is the subject of Queneau's sequel 'Exercices en Style Deux', which describes him floating in an innocuous corner with 400 different rhetorical methods.
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I think Alan Hutton is fluent in French.
Yep, taught himself so he could read Proust in the original. He had a lot of time on his hands under Lambert.
Barry Bannan was running with the Oulipo at the same time but fell out with them over using the letter Y as a vowel function.
Barry Bannan is the subject of Queneau's sequel 'Exercices en Style Deux', which describes him floating in an innocuous corner with 400 different rhetorical methods.
I read it. It was too short.
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I think Alan Hutton is fluent in French.
Yep, taught himself so he could read Proust in the original. He had a lot of time on his hands under Lambert.
Barry Bannan was running with the Oulipo at the same time but fell out with them over using the letter Y as a vowel function.
Barry Bannan is the subject of Queneau's sequel 'Exercices en Style Deux', which describes him floating in an innocuous corner with 400 different rhetorical methods.
I read it. It was too short.
Nicely Googled one and all.
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I see Dwight Yorke has put his hat in the ring. The cheek of the man...
He's never knowingly walked past a ring without putting something in it.
Bravo, sir! Genuinely LOL'd at that
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I think Alan Hutton is fluent in French.
Yep, taught himself so he could read Proust in the original. He had a lot of time on his hands under Lambert.
Barry Bannan was running with the Oulipo at the same time but fell out with them over using the letter Y as a vowel function.
Barry Bannan is the subject of Queneau's sequel 'Exercices en Style Deux', which describes him floating in an innocuous corner with 400 different rhetorical methods.
I read it. It was too short.
Nicely Googled one and all.
Cheeky git! That's the first time I've ever knowingly used something I learned at university right there.
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I think Alan Hutton is fluent in French.
Alain de Hutton
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I couldn't remember whether any of our summer recruits had come from Lyon so I looked it up. Our recent signings from them seem to be Carew and Jean Makoun - so bit of a mixed bag.
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I think Alan Hutton is fluent in French.
Yep, taught himself so he could read Proust in the original. He had a lot of time on his hands under Lambert.
Barry Bannan was running with the Oulipo at the same time but fell out with them over using the letter Y as a vowel function.
Barry Bannan is the subject of Queneau's sequel 'Exercices en Style Deux', which describes him floating in an innocuous corner with 400 different rhetorical methods.
I read it. It was too short.
Nicely Googled one and all.
Cheeky git! That's the first time I've ever knowingly used something I learned at university right there.
Exercises in Style is a funny book. I can also confirm that I have never read a proper Oulipo book (unless you count the last one) because they confuse me and make me upset.
I bet Remi Garde's read them though. He seems like a smart guy - which would make an extremely nice change.
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Part of me can't shake Alain Perrin's name out of my head when thinking about Remi Garde.
But I'm not going to complain that we're at least trying something forward-thinking.
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Part of me can't shake Reggie Perrin's name out of my head when I think of Tim Sherwood...
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Article on Garde's tactics here.
http://frenchfootballweekly.com/2013/04/28/olympique-lyonnais-the-tactical-debrief/
Would be strange to watch a well coached team
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ill tell you something though,hes definitely the best looking of the candidates.
sure to be a hit with the ladies
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ill tell you something though,hes definitely the best looking of the candidates.
sure to be a hit with the ladies
Better looking than Moyes?
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Now my French is a bit rusty but I seem to remember encule being a rather rude word......
http://youtu.be/IrfJjIZKMfM
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I think Alan Hutton is fluent in French.
Alain de Hutton
With a broad Scottish accent??
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Article on Garde's tactics here.
http://frenchfootballweekly.com/2013/04/28/olympique-lyonnais-the-tactical-debrief/
Would be strange to watch a well coached team
a manager that uses more than get it out wide and cross it to Gestede using those crossing masters Kieran Richardson and Alan Hutton. Interesting
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ill tell you something though,hes definitely the best looking of the candidates.
sure to be a hit with the ladies
Better looking than Moyes?
oh yeh,very sorry, I forgot about dave
make that the 2nd best
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Can I ask who Remi Garde is? I know the name, just not sure who/what he's done?
Ex Lyon manager who took over when they went from outspending most of that league to huge cut backs, largely to fund a new stadium I believe. From a few pages back:
3 seasons as manager, sold a lot of good players and replaced them at a profit, won a cup, top 5 all 3 seasons and averaged 64 points per season. I'm happy with his record and it honestly makes sense given our squad. It might not work, all new managers are a risk, but I can see a clear thought process to this so I hope it happens now.
Win percentage of 51.28 isnt too shaby either
Woah oh oh it's magic....Remy Garde's win ratio.....
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nous allons à nouveau
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Isn't today St Crispin's Day, the 600th anniversary of Agincourt? Hope it is an omen presaging great and glorious victory pour les Anglais.
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Isn't today St Crispin's Day, the 600th anniversary of Agincourt? Hope it is an omen presaging great and glorious victory pour les Anglais.
Cry McGrath for Randy, Villa and McGregor!
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So the overwhelming choice on the H&V poll is Moyes. What will our great decision makers at the top decide? Someone cheap with no PL experience; I really hope I'm wrong.....
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It has to be Moyes.
He has got more Premier games under his belt than all the other candidates put together.
He would be managing a club with a similar level of resources as Everton.
He is experienced in having seasons of battling in the lower reaches, but his overall record at Everton was..
P 518 W 218 D 139 L 161
Provide that level of return over the next 28 games and we finish on 46 points.
If we want to have a chance of avoiding the drop we get Moyes.
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It has to be Moyes.
He has got more Premier games under his belt than all the other candidates put together.
He would be managing a club with a similar level of resources as Everton.
He is experienced in having seasons of battling in the lower reaches, but his overall record at Everton was..
P 518 W 218 D 139 L 161
Provide that level of return over the next 28 games and we finish on 46 points.
If we want to have a chance of avoiding the drop we get Moyes.
He has won 3 out of his last 18 games. A worse record than Tim.
I'd be deeply disappointed if it was Moyes.
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Roy Keane. Obvious. He knows where bodymore heath is.
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So the overwhelming choice on the H&V poll is Moyes. What will our great decision makers at the top decide? Someone cheap with no PL experience; I really hope I'm wrong.....
They're just looking for the man who'll work within their budget.
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I don't think you can set much store by win percentages in Ligue 1. The standard isn't great.
I think it's more about his ability to get performances out of quite a young group of players, and to bring through the academy kids. He was blessed with some very talented youngsters at Lyon. If he does come, here's hoping he gets to go back for Fekir and Lacazette, for a start. He also oversaw the development of a certain Anthony Martial, too.
Forget Lacazette, he'll be off too one of the bigger boys for stupid money.
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Anybody else think it's weird that they sacked Wilkins, Robson and that Seamus bloke as well? Normally when clubs sack a manager the assistant steps up to caretaker. Could it be a new team are lined up?
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So the overwhelming choice on the H&V poll is Moyes. What will our great decision makers at the top decide? Someone cheap with no PL experience; I really hope I'm wrong.....
They're just looking for the man who'll work within their budget.
Austerity mentality doesn't cut in the PL. We have a billionaire owner with a corner shop spend budget. He'll only lose £100m with relegation - a great businessman is Mr Lerner...
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What do we want from Aston Villa?
Do we want to play not to lose, or do we want to play to win every game.
I'd much rather watch us play to win. We're never going to win anything, so let's not win anything by being interesting to watch.
I'd honestly take going down if it meant watching good football. For too long has it been boring and dull. I'm tired of it.
I don't care about staying up if it means we play boring football.
Im aware I may be in a minority of one, but imagine being excited walking towards the ground, knowing you're going to se a great game and see
Your team go for it.
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So the overwhelming choice on the H&V poll is Moyes. What will our great decision makers at the top decide? Someone cheap with no PL experience; I really hope I'm wrong.....
The favourite wasn't on the poll until lots of people had already voted. Why is PL experience so vital? Sherwood, Lambert, McLeish and Houllier all had it.
Wenger, Koeman, Pochettino (prior to his appointment at Southampton) and Mourinho (prior to his first spell at Chelsea) didn't have it.
It's our blind refusal to enter the twenty-first century expand our horizons beyond sacked former jobbing British managers that is largely to blame for our struggles.
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I don't think PL experience will be a top criteria. They have gone down that road now and it's no more guarantee of success than going for the best candidate without it. They moved away fell overpriced PL players and I think they will now find a continental manager to get the best out of them. Garde ticks a number of boxes.
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So the overwhelming choice on the H&V poll is Moyes. What will our great decision makers at the top decide? Someone cheap with no PL experience; I really hope I'm wrong.....
The H&V choice is based on what we the lay fans know. I hope Almstadt and Reilly know a bit more than us.
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It's our blind refusal to enter the twenty-first century expand our horizons beyond sacked former jobbing British managers that is largely to blame for our struggles.
Isn't it just. The day we sign a decent manager everybody will wonder why the hell we wasted so many years, years none of us will get back, watching crap football created by clueless managers. It's ironic that the word 'clueless' is so often used on here to describe our manager yet we still won't trust anybody that doesn't have Premier League experience.
Hopefully this cycle of misery is about to end in the next 24 hours and about bloody time. We really do deserve so much better.
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Looks like its Garde then. Some Canal+ update on twitter saying he's definitely the new manager.
Not what I wanted at all but hey, who knows.
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There must be a "we have more canals" joke in there somewhere.
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Remi Garde
This is impressive but a bit worried about over 50% win rate but over 117 rather than 17 matches!As of 19 September 2013.
Team From To Record
G W D L Win %
Lyon 21 June 2011 30 June 2014 117 60 26 31 51.28
Total 117 60 26 31 51.28
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Article on Garde's tactics here.
http://frenchfootballweekly.com/2013/04/28/olympique-lyonnais-the-tactical-debrief/
Would be strange to watch a well coached team
Interesting article - several levels above anything we've had recently I'll wager. Seems he began to panic when individual errors started rearing their heads - worryingly close to us at the moment. However, I think the players are there to mimic that formation with gana, veretout, ayew, Gil - I think he'll tell everyone where they're supposed to be on the pitch at any one time and give us a system we could stick to. I'm convinced those players in total are considerably better than they are but 90% is belief and I wonder if we have just gone too far to bring that back. As an aside when a guy from Barcelona thinks the tactics are mad then I hope he's got something to look forward to.
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What do we want from Aston Villa?
Do we want to play not to lose, or do we want to play to win every game.
I'd much rather watch us play to win. We're never going to win anything, so let's not win anything by being interesting to watch.
I'd honestly take going down if it meant watching good football. For too long has it been boring and dull. I'm tired of it.
I don't care about staying up if it means we play boring football.
Im aware I may be in a minority of one, but imagine being excited walking towards the ground, knowing you're going to se a great game and see
Your team go for it.
Me too, relegation didn't bother me in the slightest last season if it meant more of the same shit this season, I wanted that cup win more than anything!
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Voted Moyes, not too keen on him but probably the best of the options in the poll.
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Went for Remi Garde. Sounds a bit foreign, like.
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This Garde could be interesting and exciting. Mind you I thought Lambert was a great choice and had no idea Sherwood was such an egotistical back stabbing clown.
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Remi Garde
This is impressive but a bit worried about over 50% win rate but over 117 rather than 17 matches!As of 19 September 2013.
Team From To Record
G W D L Win %
Lyon 21 June 2011 30 June 2014 117 60 26 31 51.28
Total 117 60 26 31 51.28
Those stats also suggest he didn't lose in 73.5% of his games. I'd take those kind of stats with us in a heartbeat.
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Winning more than we lose at home would be a nice start.
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Went for Remi Garde. Sounds a bit foreign, like.
Oh Remi!
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Kind of warming to Garde. Would be good to see us break the dour British / Irish cycle on the other hand I cant shake the feeling Lerner & Co are more interested in an option who will work within the "framework of the club" , i.e.: on the cheap.
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Considering we were the first to have an overseas manager, it shows how short sighted we've tended to be when despite the amount of managers we've had, 25 years later and the only other overseas manager so far is Houllier.
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...25 years the only other overseas manager so far is Houllier.
Technically, O'Neill and O'Leary originally came from over a sea ;)
But you're right. It has been depressingly narrow-sighted. Like Martin O'Neill trying to assemble a defence.
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Considering we were the first to have an overseas manager, it shows how short sighted we've tended to be when despite the amount of managers we've had, 25 years later and the only other overseas manager so far is Houllier.
Who had spent much of his life living and working in England and was only offered the job because of his "Premier League experience".
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I was hoping to sneak that bit by!
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Villa are a very English club, I sometimes think, and this means all sorts of good things - the classic four-stand shape of the ground, the (remaining) red-brick in the stands, the multicultural make-up of the crowds in more recent years - but I wonder if that general feeling has been perpetuated by our choice of managers and players (or possibly the other way around).
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Roy Keane. Obvious. He knows where bodymore heath is.
and he can spell it
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Garde would be interesting. I think I'd take that. Goes along with the sort of players we signed in the summer. Sign of joined-up thinking. Mind you I thought Sherwood would be interesting. He was. Sort of. In a bad way.
Anyway feeling positive about at least trying to bring in a more progressive coach.
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Villa are a very English club, I sometimes think, and this means all sorts of good things - the classic four-stand shape of the ground, the (remaining) red-brick in the stands, the multicultural make-up of the crowds in more recent years - but I wonder if that general feeling has been perpetuated by our choice of managers and players (or possibly the other way around).
I think the things you mention are part of what makes Villa a traditional, English club. I would add the location of the ground, it's still always such a thrill to suddenly be confronted by Villa Park after walking along terraced streets, it's a sign of how much of a comunity sport football is - or perhaps was. Out of town stadiums will never have that pull. I don't believe the actual football played need be "very English", in order to keep that feeling, though.
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The read ups on Sherwood before he came were bloody awful. Garde seems to be universally positive. Lets hope that is a good sign. There is a talk of Houllier coach coming back that was here when GED was.
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I agree James. I just wonder if the feeling of Englishness has been enhanced by the football. While everyone else has been moving on, we've been perservering with lumpball. Let's hope this is the end of all that.
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Have there been any further reports of developments? No doubt in six months time we'll be all-fart-and-no-shitting him out the door but, today, he seems like a good idea.
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Could it be that this was set up months ago? the fact that Sherwood didn't have control over the players we bought, that Fox and the new football director spent time at Arsenal with Garde, that most of the players bought in were young and French. You don't just get someone like Garde after a couple of weeks, it could be that this has been planned for months. They couldn't sack Sherwood after keeping us up and they may have waited until we were in the bottom three before contactually able to sack him. If this has any credence then it is the first bit of long term planning we have seen at the club in years.
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Could it be that this was set up months ago? the fact that Sherwood didn't have control over the players we bought, that Fox and the new football director spent time at Arsenal with Garde, that most of the players bought in were young and French. You don't just get someone like Garde after a couple of weeks, it could be that this has been planned for months. They couldn't sack Sherwood after keeping us up and they may have waited until we were in the bottom three before contactually able to sack him. If this has any credence then it is the first bit of long term planning we have seen at the club in years.
I am sceptical about conspiracy theories. Usually it's just a fuck up.
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Have there been any further reports of developments? No doubt in six months time we'll be all-fart-and-no-shitting him out the door but, today, he seems like a good idea.
Approx 10 minutes ago, hot off the French Press:
Remi Garde – Aston Villa talks progressing “very well”
According to our colleagues at Canal +, talks between Aston Villa and Remi Garde have in the last hours been progressing “very well”.
Canal +, who currently partially employ Remi Garde as a pundit, are now confident that Garde “should” become the next Aston Villa manager..............Godzvilla ! ( Vive le Claret et Bleu )
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Could it be that this was set up months ago? the fact that Sherwood didn't have control over the players we bought, that Fox and the new football director spent time at Arsenal with Garde, that most of the players bought in were young and French. You don't just get someone like Garde after a couple of weeks, it could be that this has been planned for months. They couldn't sack Sherwood after keeping us up and they may have waited until we were in the bottom three before contactually able to sack him. If this has any credence then it is the first bit of long term planning we have seen at the club in years.
It's a neat hypothesis. I'd like to think our bunch could be as Machiavellian as that.
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Have there been any further reports of developments? No doubt in six months time we'll be all-fart-and-no-shitting him out the door but, today, he seems like a good idea.
Approx 10 minutes ago, hot off the French Press:
Remi Garde – Aston Villa talks progressing “very well”
According to our colleagues at Canal +, talks between Aston Villa and Remi Garde have in the last hours been progressing “very well”.
Canal +, who currently partially employ Remi Garde as a pundit, are now confident that Garde “should” become the next Aston Villa manager..............Godzvilla ! ( Vive le Claret et Bleu )
Merci!
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He does have a good rep. But he's got a bloody massive task. Only four teams have ever stayed up in the premier league after having a record as bad as us at this stage.
I'm not sure we've got anyone who's definitely proven top half class for the first time in my life.
The striking position is the big worry. I'd like to think he could get these players to be better organised in defence and midfield. Played a 4312 at Lyon apparently.
Guzan - Richards okore Clark Amavi - gana Westwood veretout - grealish - gabby ayew
Doesn't look good enough does it?
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Could it be that this was set up months ago? the fact that Sherwood didn't have control over the players we bought, that Fox and the new football director spent time at Arsenal with Garde, that most of the players bought in were young and French. You don't just get someone like Garde after a couple of weeks, it could be that this has been planned for months.
I can easily imagine that we bought our players over the summer with an eye on how somebody else might use them.
But if the whole plan above was put together based on how Remi Garde would do and he had shown enough interest in the job to warrant putting this plan into place - he wasn't working at the time we hired Sherwood. If Fox wanted Garde to be our manager, he would have just hired him when we needed a manager last February.
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Could it be that this was set up months ago? the fact that Sherwood didn't have control over the players we bought, that Fox and the new football director spent time at Arsenal with Garde, that most of the players bought in were young and French. You don't just get someone like Garde after a couple of weeks, it could be that this has been planned for months. They couldn't sack Sherwood after keeping us up and they may have waited until we were in the bottom three before contactually able to sack him. If this has any credence then it is the first bit of long term planning we have seen at the club in years.
It's a neat hypothesis. I'd like to think our bunch could be as Machiavellian as that.
But in reality we know Randy is at home playing with his toy helicopter and Fox is throwing arrers at pictures on a dart board...
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Could it be that this was set up months ago? the fact that Sherwood didn't have control over the players we bought, that Fox and the new football director spent time at Arsenal with Garde, that most of the players bought in were young and French. You don't just get someone like Garde after a couple of weeks, it could be that this has been planned for months. They couldn't sack Sherwood after keeping us up and they may have waited until we were in the bottom three before contactually able to sack him. If this has any credence then it is the first bit of long term planning we have seen at the cjlub in years.
It's a neat hypothesis. I'd like to think our bunch could be as Machiavellian as that.
I suspect the meeting in the U.S. the other week when sherwood was omitted from the invite list would of been when they hatched the plan
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But in reality we know Randy is playing at home with his toy helicopter and Fox is throwing arrers at pictures on a dart board.
If we do hire him, I do think it's the latest lurch to hire the precise opposite of what immediately went before.
Eventually we'll stumble across the right person, but it wouldn't surprise me if this one turned out not to be it. Even if it looks like it will be a much better lurch than last time.
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Could it be that this was set up months ago? the fact that Sherwood didn't have control over the players we bought, that Fox and the new football director spent time at Arsenal with Garde, that most of the players bought in were young and French. You don't just get someone like Garde after a couple of weeks, it could be that this has been planned for months.
I can easily imagine that we bought our players over the summer with an eye on how somebody else might use them.
But if the whole plan above was put together based on how Remi Garde would do and he had shown enough interest in the job to warrant putting this plan into place - he wasn't working at the time we hired Sherwood. If Fox wanted Garde to be our manager, he would have just hired him when we needed a manager last February.
The way we have been going through managers it seems eminently sensible to have someone else buying the players.
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Could it be that this was set up months ago? the fact that Sherwood didn't have control over the players we bought, that Fox and the new football director spent time at Arsenal with Garde, that most of the players bought in were young and French. You don't just get someone like Garde after a couple of weeks, it could be that this has been planned for months. They couldn't sack Sherwood after keeping us up and they may have waited until we were in the bottom three before contactually able to sack him. If this has any credence then it is the first bit of long term planning we have seen at the cjlub in years.
It's a neat hypothesis. I'd like to think our bunch could be as Machiavellian as that.
I suspect the meeting in the U.S. the other week when sherwood was omitted from the invite list would of been when they hatched the plan
He wasn't omitted from the list. The club stated that he was invited but chose to stay with the players.
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If Fox wanted Garde to be our manager, he would have just hired him when we needed a manager last February.
You would think that would be the case as you have explained that at that time he was free however the predicament we were in in February may be needed a motivator rather than a technically sound coach? Further if we had been relegated it would have been easier and better to start with a new coach with completely new set of players. I don't know but I am just thinking out loud!
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I think it would have been hatched when Henrik A arrived in July and Sherwood apparently didn't approve. He then didn't approve of half of the signings, wanted Adebayor, Lennon and Cambiasso instead of Vertout, Amavi and Ayew. From the reports in the Guardian and Telegraph, and Kendrick in the mail, since then Sherwood has been at loggerheads, by the look of it sulking and waiting for the boot. The unfathomable decisions as much to do with excluding the new blokes he didn't want. Kendrick is right, when Sherwood made it clear the director of football model was not for him, they should have shaken hands and walked away in the summer.
I reckon if Garde and his team arrive in the next couple of days, it will have been cooking since the summer.
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He wasn't omitted from the list. The club stated that he was invited but chose to stay with the players.
It could have been one of those "Tim you should come but if you want to stay with the team to work on better results than please stay I am sure Randy will understand" type of invite?
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Why give Sherwood such a long contract then? If we had to wait for him to be bottom 3 what if we were playing even worse football but jamming enough results to be 17th all season? It's a nice theory but I think it's unlikely.
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I really cannot get excited about any of this talk.
The last time I was optimistic about our new manager was when we first had O'Neill.
Since then it has been a case each time of "oh f*ckinell" every single time, I can see no difference on this alleged bloke as well.
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If Fox wanted Garde to be our manager, he would have just hired him when we needed a manager last February.
You would think that would be the case as you have explained that at that time he was free however the predicament we were in in February may be needed a motivator rather than a technically sound coach? Further if we had been relegated it would have been easier and better to start with a new coach with completely new set of players. I don't know but I am just thinking out loud!
It's not impossible, but if you're hiring a manager just because he's a 'motivator' you're probably not going to give him a three and a half year contract.
And it's not as if our situations are wildly different now and then. If we'd got to the summer and thought "actually Tim, thanks for the hard work - but we're going in a different direction" then the above would make sense, much like Spurs did.
This is a reaction to a panic that we might get relegated, just like it was in February.
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I don't know what time he was sacked but maybe there was a clause stating he could be jettisoned if we are bottom, which after Sunderland's win we now are?
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His sacking was announced just before the Sunderland game kicked off.
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But in reality we know Randy is playing at home with his toy helicopter and Fox is throwing arrers at pictures on a dart board.
surely even randy knows how important us staying in the premier league is to his investment
conspiracy alert?
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His sacking was announced just before the Sunderland game kicked off.
His sacking was announced just before the Sunderland game kicked off.
I was always crap at Cluedo.
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His sacking was announced just before the Sunderland game kicked off.
His sacking was announced just before the Sunderland game kicked off.
And quoting. ;)
I was always crap at Cluedo.
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Oh for fuck's sake, would anyone believe me if I claimed I did that on purpose?
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But in reality we know Randy is playing at home with his toy helicopter and Fox is throwing arrers at pictures on a dart board.
surely even randy knows how important us staying in the premier league is to his investment
conspiracy alert?
surely even randy knows how important us staying in the premier league is to his investment
conspiracy alert?
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His sacking was announced just before the Sunderland game kicked off.
His sacking was announced just before the Sunderland game kicked off.
And quoting. ;)
I was always crap at Cluedo.
Ahem!
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His sacking was announced just before the Sunderland game kicked off.
His sacking was announced just before the Sunderland game kicked off.
And quoting. ;)
I was always crap at Cluedo.
Hopefully deliberate?
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Here's what I am really happy about. That we are talking about the next Villa manager and not about when we can talk about the next Villa manager because Sherwood is still in charge.
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His sacking was announced just before the Sunderland game kicked off.
His sacking was announced just before the Sunderland game kicked off.
I was always crap at Cluedo.
Don't worry - another couple of months and it will be accepted as fact (see also Lambeert, P, sacked if we're in the bottom three).
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His sacking was announced just before the Sunderland game kicked off.
His sacking was announced just before the Sunderland game kicked off.
And quoting. ;)
I was always crap at Cluedo.
Hopefully deliberate?
Sadly not... see previous post...
Oh for fuck's sake, would anyone believe me if I claimed I did that on purpose?
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Here's what I am really happy about. That we are talking about the next Villa manager and not about when we can talk about the next Villa manager because Sherwood is still in charge.
That's definitely a very good thing.
But finding the cloud surrounding the silver lining - it's a bit sad that the times to be happiest are the brief moments in between finding that they have sacked one hopeless manager and hired another hopeless manager!
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Here's what I am really happy about. That we are talking about the next Villa manager and not about when we can talk about the next Villa manager because Sherwood is still in charge.
That's definitely a very good thing.
But finding the cloud surrounding the silver lining - it's a bit sad that the times to be happiest are the brief moments in between finding that they have sacked one hopeless manager and hired another hopeless manager!
Unfortunately as an Aston Villa fan in recent years we have found great comfort, and the majority of our joy in silver linings and glimpses of the sun.
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The day Lerner fucks off is the day to get happy .
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Fortunately, I have a feeling that this time around the people in charge believe the same sort of bullshit that we do.
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The day Lerner fucks off is the day to get happy .
I'm sure you'll still be able to find something that's wrong with it.
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The day Lerner fucks off is the day to get happy .
It would depend entirely on who replaced him.
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Not sure about Remi Garde. It's a bit leftfield, maybe Wenger and Houllier have had a word with our CEO and Owner respectively.
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The day Lerner fucks off is the day to get happy .
I wouldn't have put it quite like that, but I agree with the sentiments. Sherwood turned out to be a very poor appointment, again, but he's another victim in the unfolding tragedy of Aston Villa F.C. under Lerner's now utterly disastrous ownership. Who else can be held accountable for the shambles if not the owner? If the Villa was a truly public limited company then the active shareholders would have sacked Lerner and his Board of Directors years ago for their serial incompetence. However, the club is structured in a way where this can't be done and we're stuck with Lerner until he sells.
I'm getting tired of being told about Lerner's greatest hits 2006-10 as if we should forget and forgive all the blunders and garbage records ever since. If the truth be known, O'Neill penned the few decent songs of that period before he then recorded some utter rubbish himself 2009-10. He turned out to be more Jonathan King than John Lennon and when the book is eventually written about the Villa's Lerner Years, we shall look back and reflect on one of the worst periods in the history of a great football club.
Expect another shocking appointment about midweek. Probably some up and coming tyro from the lower divisions (Dean Smith?) or, wait for it, Kevin MacDonald after our shock win at Southampton on Wednesday night. Yes, you heard it first here, folks. The dream ticket of MacDonald and Cowans is back in play!
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Still some talk of Moyes on Twitter. Might just be journos covering themselves though. Got to say I am quite easy with Garde or Moyes.
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A two tier continental approach with Halmstadt as DOF and Garde as Head Coach? This is another complete gamble but one which might bring out the best in the players that we currently have. Personally, I'd rather go with Hughes or Moyes if they wanted it but this is potentially very interesting.
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lerner,by admission,knows fuck all about football,fox et al allegedly do,
lets see if they do.
their next appointment is about as critical to the future of aston villa football club
as any decision ever made at b6
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I wouldn't find a Moyes appointment at all inspiring but would have to face reality that he knows the league and his experience might be enough to stabilise us for a couple of years. The romantic in me would rather see us get Garde who is potentially a better match for the squad and more likely to play attractive football. Would have to hope that he can inspire a struggling side to safety though.
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on twitter 10 mins ago
http://espnfc.com >> Sean Dyche a candidate for Aston Villa job after Sherwood sacking - sources http://buzztap.com/-vlS9a5
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Is it wrong that the only reason I don't like Dyche is the appalling satan-beard and cry-for-help crescent-moon sideburns? In any case, I think it's looking strongly like Garde's the man.
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on twitter 10 mins ago
http://espnfc.com >> Sean Dyche a candidate for Aston Villa job after Sherwood sacking - sources http://buzztap.com/-vlS9a5
If he gets the gig I'm chucking the towel in.
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on twitter 10 mins ago
http://espnfc.com >> Sean Dyche a candidate for Aston Villa job after Sherwood sacking - sources http://buzztap.com/-vlS9a5
Well, if something called buzztap says so then I'm on board.
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on twitter 10 mins ago
http://espnfc.com >> Sean Dyche a candidate for Aston Villa job after Sherwood sacking - sources http://buzztap.com/-vlS9a5
If he gets the gig I'm chucking the towel in.
we should consider other candidates as part of the process. I think it was a mistake to only consider Sherwood the last time. I don't think Dyche has a chance and this is just the media chucking out a few names to make the thing more interesting. It seems more and more likely Garde is the manager they want and I expect if he agrees to terms he might even be in the stands at Southampton.
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Is it wrong that the only reason I don't like Dyche is the appalling satan-beard and cry-for-help crescent-moon sideburns? In any case, I think it's looking strongly like Garde's the man.
No more than me wishing he'd clear his fecking throat! I'd go insane listening to that voice on a regular basis.
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on twitter 10 mins ago
http://espnfc.com >> Sean Dyche a candidate for Aston Villa job after Sherwood sacking - sources http://buzztap.com/-vlS9a5
Yes but he has no chance as I have applied as well and tweeted it so tomorrow hopefully is my last Monday at current work place.
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Is it wrong that the only reason I don't like Dyche is the appalling satan-beard and cry-for-help crescent-moon sideburns? In any case, I think it's looking strongly like Garde's the man.
No more than me wishing he'd clear his fecking throat! I'd go insane listening to that voice on a regular basis.
and that fucking "Ginger Mourinho" chant annoys the piss out of me.
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sean dyche
fuck off
were a billion times better than that
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A rather crude haiku, but I like it.
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motd 2 Liverpool highlights on now
not watching not listening
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I voted for moyes but I don't think he'll come mainly because of the Lerner situation. He'd want guarantees on money and signings and lets face it, Lerner doesn't know if he'll be here in 6 months. It will be someone without a current stable job or someone at a club where the rise in wages would prove the main attracton
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Not sure about Remi Garde. It's a bit leftfield, maybe Wenger and Houllier have had a word with our CEO and Owner respectively.
Not far off, according to The Guardian:
Privately Villa accept that Sherwood, who will be granted a £2m pay-off, is not solely responsible for the mess that the club find themselves in. Whether the need for improvements elsewhere extends to the transfer policy – which is overseen by Almstadt and Paddy Riley, the director of player recruitment, and is an area that became such a bone of contention for Sherwood – remains to be seen.
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I voted for moyes but I don't think he'll come mainly because of the Lerner situation. He'd want guarantees on money and signings and lets face it, Lerner doesn't know if he'll be here in 6 months. It will be someone without a current stable job or someone at a club where the rise in wages would prove the main attracton
Or it might be Remi Garde.
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What no article I have read on Sherwood's dismissal addresses is that if Sherwood got his way in the transfer market we'd have splashed out stupid amounts of money (fees and wages) for overpriced shit like Townsend, Adebayor or Lennon. Thank fuck the club stopped him from doing that.
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What no article I have read on Sherwood's dismissal addresses is that if Sherwood got his way in the transfer market we'd have splashed out stupid amounts of money (fees and wages) for overpriced shit like Townsend, Adebayor or Lennon. Thank fuck the club stopped him from doing that.
That's probably paid for his compo.
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What no article I have read on Sherwood's dismissal addresses is that if Sherwood got his way in the transfer market we'd have splashed out stupid amounts of money (fees and wages) for overpriced shit like Townsend, Adebayor or Lennon. Thank fuck the club stopped him from doing that.
That's probably paid for his compo.
It would definitely have been batty
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His compo is a fraction of it.
Does seem Garde is not as close as being said in France
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What no article I have read on Sherwood's dismissal addresses is that if Sherwood got his way in the transfer market we'd have splashed out stupid amounts of money (fees and wages) for overpriced shit like Townsend, Adebayor or Lennon. Thank fuck the club stopped him from doing that.
That's probably paid for his compo.
It would definitely have been batty
Bleeding Nora, it's all a bit Foggy.
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motd2 shit Manchester poem
Benjamin whatever a billion times better
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moyes would be such an uninspiring appoitment. the bloke is failing badly in Spain so why bring hime here to fail again. Its because he is working with the type of players we have that it is not working out for him.
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What no article I have read on Sherwood's dismissal addresses is that if Sherwood got his way in the transfer market we'd have splashed out stupid amounts of money (fees and wages) for overpriced shit like Townsend, Adebayor or Lennon. Thank fuck the club stopped him from doing that.
That's probably paid for his compo.
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It would definitely have been batty
Bleeding Nora, it's all a bit Foggy.
lets stop all this wining
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Not sure about Remi Garde. It's a bit leftfield, maybe Wenger and Houllier have had a word with our CEO and Owner respectively.
Not far off, according to The Guardian:
Privately Villa accept that Sherwood, who will be granted a £2m pay-off, is not solely responsible for the mess that the club find themselves in. Whether the need for improvements elsewhere extends to the transfer policy – which is overseen by Almstadt and Paddy Riley, the director of player recruitment, and is an area that became such a bone of contention for Sherwood – remains to be seen.
Where does that mention Houllier and Wenger having a word?
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Three facts to bear in mind:
1. Whoever is appointed is going to be shite and will get us the odd win in 10.
2. The club is in dire straits from the bottom up and this appointment will be like putting a sticking plaster on a major wound that needs surgery
3. We are f*cked.
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Julien Laurens on Twitter:
"Latest on Garde and Villa: talks progressing well. He wants the job. They want him to come too. Still some way to go but looks good to me."
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Yes, we may as well cancel our remaining fixtures and shut the club down.
Fuck's sake
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Julien Laurens on Twitter:
"Latest on Garde and Villa: talks progressing well. He wants the job. They want him to come too. Still some way to go but looks good to me."
Looks very promising Monty
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A two tier continental approach with Halmstadt as DOF and Garde as Head Coach? This is another complete gamble but one which might bring out the best in the players that we currently have. Personally, I'd rather go with Hughes or Moyes if they wanted it but this is potentially very interesting.
It's the way the club needs to go anyway. Whether the personnel we have in board positions, coaching and on the pitch are good enough remains to be seen but another British megalomaniac is not what we need as a club.
The one positive so far this season is that Sherwood wasn't allowed to bring in his old boys club of Lennon, Townsend and Adebayor. Lescott should be the first casualty of the new regime and Gestede doesn't really fit in with the rest of the players we have available.
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I'll put my *ahem* reputation on the line and say I'd be happy (that alone is unusual) with Remi Garde. I remember reading about him when he was being linked with the Newcastle job and being jealous that seemed to have such imagination and we were in Lambersherwoodwonderland.
The article below is all I could find:
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/why-arsene-wengers-protege-would-be-perfect-man-rejuvenate-newcastle#:Xohn_YGCzrQEKA
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The MOTD2 boys have just nailed it. Net spend £5m . Shocking.
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Julien Laurens on Twitter:
"Latest on Garde and Villa: talks progressing well. He wants the job. They want him to come too. Still some way to go but looks good to me."
Looks very promising Monty
Let's be optimistic. I've been wailing inconsolably about every appointment the club has made for a few years now, so let's hope they pull off the Garde deal and we can applaud them for a job well done. Of course, now I've said that, this'll be the one which gets us relegated.
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MOTD just now talking about Sherwood, not a single word about his mistakes, not one.
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The MOTD2 boys have just nailed it. Net spend £5m . Shocking.
You've been spouting this same over the top dramatic shit all season, just give it a rest ffs.
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Julien Laurens on Twitter:
"Latest on Garde and Villa: talks progressing well. He wants the job. They want him to come too. Still some way to go but looks good to me."
Looks very promising Monty
Let's be optimistic. I've been wailing inconsolably about every appointment the club has made for a few years now, so let's hope they pull off the Garde deal and we can applaud them for a job well done. Of course, now I've said that, this'll be the one which gets us relegated.
That and all of the promising young rising stars from Europe we signed in the summer. As luck would have it, it will be the policy we wanted that will do us in.
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We need someone who has decent enough contacts to bring the players we inevitably will need in January to help sort this mess out.
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The MOTD2 boys have just nailed it. Net spend £5m . Shocking.
Did they mention the complete lack of having any clue how he wanted us to play? Five at the back vs Stoke? Playing Gestede with no wingers? Or any of the other multitude of failings he showed this season?
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The MOTD2 boys have just nailed it. Net spend £5m . Shocking.
Yes, they're well known for their insight, those boys.
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MOTD just now talking about Sherwood, not a single word about his mistakes, not one.
It's a massive fucking clique. They'll never slag him off, so I'm not holding my breath waiting for someone to have the balls to say it. I'm glad he's gone and will be even more glad if Garde gets the job because it will fly in the face of all of these jingoistic sycophantic dinosaurs.
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MOTD just now talking about Sherwood, not a single word about his mistakes, not one.
what else did you expect from Jermaine fecking Jenas
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The MOTD2 boys have just nailed it. Net spend £5m . Shocking.
Did they mention the complete lack of having any clue how he wanted us to play? Five at the back vs Stoke? Playing Gestede with no wingers? Or any of the other multitude of failings he showed this season?
No they focused on the loss of all our best players, the inexperienced ones who have come in and said sherwood couldn't sign his choice of players eg. Cambiasso, Lennon, Townsend and Adebayour . Then they mentioned a net spend of £5m and all shook their heads i
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The MOTD2 boys have just nailed it. Net spend £5m .
Sherwood kept us up as we would 100% have gone down with Lambert and he gave us the semi final day that we'll never forget, brought on Grealish, a surprising yet welcome away win at Spurs & a win over Small Heath, plus Bournemouth away drinking beers on the beach at 6pm after the win was ace.
In between those times however there were few days to write home about and referring to the absolute dross that is now our squad, you'd need a management combination of Dynamo, David Copperfield and Harry Houdini to get anything out of the lot we have. Grealish aside they can all be put on a boot sale where you get enough collectively for your bus fare home and a fruit salad chew.
The only proper thing to do is call on Mike Bassett.
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Julien Laurens on Twitter:
"Latest on Garde and Villa: talks progressing well. He wants the job. They want him to come too. Still some way to go but looks good to me."
Looks very promising Monty
Let's be optimistic. I've been wailing inconsolably about every appointment the club has made for a few years now, so let's hope they pull off the Garde deal and we can applaud them for a job well done. Of course, now I've said that, this'll be the one which gets us relegated.
That and all of the promising young rising stars from Europe we signed in the summer. As luck would have it, it will be the policy we wanted that will do us in.
I'm with you guys. The quasi director of football, the european scouting, emphasis on developing youth players, a manger with experience beyond the premiership...
We're fucked, that's exactly what I've wanted for years!
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I think it will end in tears personally so i hope Garde is not true. Saying that, if they did get Moyes in, I'd probably change my mind such is the board's record of employing arse managers. Anyone but who Randy wants?
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The MOTD2 boys have just nailed it. Net spend £5m . Shocking.
Did they mention the complete lack of having any clue how he wanted us to play? Five at the back vs Stoke? Playing Gestede with no wingers? Or any of the other multitude of failings he showed this season?
No they focused on the loss of all our best players, the inexperienced ones who have come in and said sherwood couldn't sign his choice of players eg. Cambiasso, Lennon, Townsend and Adebayour . Then they mentioned a net spend of £5m and all shook their heads i
So they spouted the usual shite while defending their mate and showing how fucking thick they must be to believe that shite while ignoring the long list of failings that Sherwood showed this season.
I'm not surprised.
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A two tier continental approach with Halmstadt as DOF and Garde as Head Coach? This is another complete gamble but one which might bring out the best in the players that we currently have. Personally, I'd rather go with Hughes or Moyes if they wanted it but this is potentially very interesting.
Newby, Halmstadt is not now or ever has been our DoF. I'm amazed people keep saying he is.
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MOTD just now talking about Sherwood, not a single word about his mistakes, not one.
Of course they haven't. I was thinking about this more earlier, and the club backed Sherwood on Adebayor to the point he took his medical and then backed out. If Sherwood had managed to get him, I would wager we would be 4-6 points better off and just outside the bottom 3 and he would likely still be in a job. He didn't convince him, it was his man and he did not get it done, so when he moans about the quality, maybe he should have worked with them to find an alternative option to a nutcase that the club were still willing to back with huge wages. He can peddle the not my signings stuff through his mates all day long, but the fact Amavi, Vertout, Ayew, Gueye and Traore have all looked, in glimpses, far better than some of the shit we have signed in recent times it is just not a credible argument. Yes the manager should have more of a say than others in transfers, but it is up to the manager to work with the recruitment team, not just get the hump and not play who they buy.
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The small budget we had was lavished with the Benteke and Delph money with one or two others going too. We had a fair enough wedge to spend to make sure we got good value for two or three positions. With what we have a good 3 players in and another couple of fillers and then we're a mid-table team on the up. Instead the club decide to not make a centre-forward their number one priority. Whoever called that one is deserving of the sack. For the money we had we should have prioritised, we didn't, and so we look a mess of okay players.
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There's no getting away from the net spend though.
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MOTD just now talking about Sherwood, not a single word about his mistakes, not one.
What's that moist slapping sound? Oh it's nothing, just the punditocracy having another circlejerk.
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There's no getting away from the net spend though.
Fucking hell
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We needed a goal scorer a keeper and a RB. Another £20-25m was needed.
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We needed a goal scorer a keeper and a RB. Another £20-25m was needed.
That's a completely different conversation than the one you constantly insist on punishing us with.
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MOTD just now talking about Sherwood, not a single word about his mistakes, not one.
What's that moist slapping sound? Oh it's nothing, just the punditocracy having another circlejerk.
"We know he wanted to get his own players in - Aaron Lennon, Townsend and Adebayor"
While keeping a straight face, FFS.
Meanwhile every single person watching, who has frequently paid to watch their team, will have been saying "fucking hell".
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Anyone know what the net spend was?
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There's no getting away from the net spend though.
Net spend? Hmmm haven't we discussed this before, it sounds familiar.
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Anyone know what the net spend was?
I thought it was 7 million
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But I think Sherwood was culpable for the goalscorer sticking all his eggs in a mad man that was too interested in getting 5 million out of Spurs than coming here. That was his fault. A keeper, I agree, and after going for Begovic there should have been a plan B, right back - Hutton has proved that he is adequate for bottom half prem again, Bacuna is back up. Nice to have, but not essential.
I think him washing his hands of the transfers is covering his own arse from his involvement too.
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The MOTD2 boys have just nailed it. Net spend £5m . Shocking.
And if we hadn't reeled in £45M in incoming fees you and they would have a point.
We've gone through this so many times it's barely worth doing it again, but the last time I asked you how we should have achieved spending more money, your answer was to not buy Ayew and Gestede (fair enough) and buy Austin for the rumoured £15M, which would have resulted in spending. £1M more.
Personally I'd have avoided Gestede and when it became clear there was no one else, tried to get Austin, but still have gone for Ayew.
For the record, here's the figures I could find for the last 3 years transfers for the club's we could be realistically comparing ourselves with. Some of the periods are out, Weimann shows in 2014/15 for example, but the general gist of it should be OK.
To me it says the problem is not so much with how much we've spending, but who we've been spending it on and how we've coached them afterwards.
Southampton
2015/16 Sold £37.5M Purchased £25.5M Net £12M Gain
2014/15 Sold £104.5M Purchased £66.4M Net £38.0M Gain
2014/13 Sold £0.0 Purchased £36.0M Net £36.0M Loss
Overall Net £14M Gain
Swansea
2015/16 Sold £0.5M Purchased £5.0M Net £4.5M Loss
2014/15 Sold £43.0M Purchased £15.9M Net £28.9M Gain
2013/14 Sold £0.0M Purchased £19.5M Net £19.5M Loss
Overall Net £4.5M Gain
Us
2015/16 Sold £40.5M Purchased £48.6M Net £8.1M Loss
2014/15 Sold £4.5M Purchased £10.4M Net £5.9M Loss
2013/14 Sold £0.0M Purchased £17.2M Net £17.2M Loss
Overall Net £31.2M Loss
Everton
2015/16 Sold £0.0M Purchased £14.0M Net £14.0M Loss
2014/15 Sold £0.0M Purchased £37.1M Net £37.1M Loss
2013/14 Sold £40.0M Purchased £21.0M Net £19M Gain
Overall Net £32.1M Loss
Crystal Palace
2015/16 Sold £4.0M Purchased £13.5M Net £9.5M Loss
2014/15 Sold £0.0 Purchased £12.9M Net £12.9M Loss
2013/14 Sold £0.0 Purchased £10.7M Net £10.7M Loss
Overall Net £33.1M Loss
Newcastle
2015/16 Sold £0.6M Purchased £49.4M Net £48.8M Loss
2014/15 Sold £12.0M Purchased £17.0M Net £5M Loss
2013/14 Sold £19.8 Purchased £0.0M Net £19.8M Gain
Overall Net £34.0M Loss
WBA
2015/16 Sold £2.0M Purchased £29.0M Net £27M Loss
2014/15 Sold £0.0M Purchased £16.3M Net 16.3M Loss
2013/14 Sold £9.3M Purchased £6.0M Net £3.3M Gain
Overall Net £40M LossA
Sunderland
2015/16 Sold £0.0M Purchased £30.5M Net £30.5M Loss
2014/15 Sold £2.1M Purchased £16.0M Net £16.0M Loss
2013/14 Sold £11.0M Purchased £18.9M Net £7.9M Loss
Overall Net £54.4M Loss
West Ham
2015/16 Sold £5.5M Purchased £32.8M Net £27.3M Loss
2014/15 Sold £3,5M Purchased £41.5M Net £38.0M Loss
2014/13 Sold £0.0M Purchased £20.0M Net £20.0M Loss
Overall Net £85.3M Loss
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Adebayor, Cambiasso, Lennon, Townsend. It's like the start of the Breakfast Club.
You see us as you want to see us, A Pensioner, A basketcase, A has Been, A Never Was.
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But I think Sherwood was culpable for the goalscorer sticking all his eggs in a mad man that was too interested in getting 5 million out of Spurs than coming here. That was his fault. A keeper, I agree, and after going for Begovic there should have been a plan B, right back - Hutton has proved that he is adequate for bottom half prem again, Bacuna is back up. Nice to have, but not essential.
I think him washing his hands of the transfers is covering his own arse from his involvement too.
Yep, hanging his hopes on a keeper that was clearly Chelsea-bound was lunacy. Guzan hasn't been good enough for ages and should have been replaced.
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In my tiny mind, there's no getting away from the net spend though.
Fixed.
Have a look at those successful clubs that have a negative net spend. It's really not that difficult to understand. Were Spurs wrong not to spend more than the Bale money?
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Villa in Denmark, stop using reasoned argument, you know he won't listen.
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What I find interesting is that Tony Parkes is staying, but Wilkins, Robson and Brady (fat performance bloke) have gone.
That to me isn't a normal "you're fucking sacked, now let's look for a new bloke" situation, it suggests that the new bloke is making the decisions already.
Also, I read tonight that Garde is fiercely loyal to his physical conditioning bloke who goes wherever he goes. Who is it? Remember this bloke, last seen having a ruck with Collins and Dunne?
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/17/article-1367156-0B37308B00000578-124_634x477.jpg)
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Beginning to think McLeish was correct in releasing Guzan.
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Adebayor, Cambiasso, Lennon, Townsend. It's like the start of the Breakfast Club.
You see us as you want to see us, A Pensioner, A basketcase, A has Been, A Never Was.
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Adebayor - Sherwood could not convince
Cambiasso - Sherwood spoke to him (he said so himself) and never heard back and we moved on
Lennon - Club looked at the numbers and thought Traore (Who Timmy was very happy with when signed) was a better bet
Townsend - said publicly many times he was not leaving Spurs
So 2 we tried to get for him and he could not close, 1 we got a potentially much better player and 1 was never coming anyway.
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Adebayor, Cambiasso, Lennon, Townsend. It's like the start of the Breakfast Club.
You see us as you want to see us, A Pensioner, A basketcase, A has Been, A Never Was.
We definitely wouldn't be bottom if we had those four in.
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In case he is too busy I think we should look at either one of Remi's brothers, Right or Life.
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The MOTD2 boys have just nailed it. Net spend £5m . Shocking.
No they didn't. Net spend is a small part of things. We spent a fortune, relatively, on a lot of players. Yes we could have spent more, but we could have bought Lazcette for £30 million to replace Benteke and I bet that under Sherwood we would have had no more than 3 points more. The 'MOTD boys' are looking to give their mate an excuse for his disgraceful performance this season. Sherwood could have had a net spend of £100 million and we'd still be fucked, because he can't or couldn't organise a team.
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Beginning to think McLeish was correct in releasing Guzan.
Even though he was sacked while Guzan was still a Villa player? Were you saying that when Guzan was almost single handedly trying to keep us up? Or are you just posting for effect as usual?
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The MOTD2 boys have just nailed it. Net spend £5m . Shocking.
No they didn't. Net spend is a small part of things. We spent a fortune, relatively, on a lot of players. Yes we could have spent more, but we could have bought Lazcette for £30 million to replace Benteke and I bet that under Sherwood we would have had no more than 3 points more. The 'MOTD boys' are looking to give their mate an excuse for his disgraceful performance this season. Sherwood could have had a net spend of £100 million and we'd still be fucked, because he can't or couldn't organise a team.
Now that's what I call nailing it.
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Beginning to think McLeish was correct in releasing Guzan.
That's nice.
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MOTD just now talking about Sherwood, not a single word about his mistakes, not one.
What's that moist slapping sound? Oh it's nothing, just the punditocracy having another circlejerk.
"We know he wanted to get his own players in - Aaron Lennon, Townsend and Adebayor"
While keeping a straight face, FFS.
Meanwhile every single person watching, who has frequently paid to watch their team, will have been saying "fucking hell".
Fans of teams who've played us will be saying the same thing. Everyone knows that these shined-up human vacuities are only pundits because they didn't have the brains or the balls to make it as managers. There are things only an ex-player can tell you, but when it comes to tactics, strategy etc, most of them know about as much as a cashew knows about making a good chicken pasanda.
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Villa in Denmark, stop using reasoned argument, you know he won't listen.
Well arguing with silhil is like banging your head against a brick wall.
It feels so good when you stop.
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What I find interesting is that Tony Parkes is staying, but Wilkins, Robson and Brady (fat performance bloke) have gone.
That to me isn't a normal "you're fucking sacked, now let's look for a new bloke" situation, it suggests that the new bloke is making the decisions already.
Also, I read tonight that Garde is fiercely loyal to his physical conditioning bloke who goes wherever he goes. Who is it? Remember this bloke, last seen having a ruck with Collins and Dunne?
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/17/article-1367156-0B37308B00000578-124_634x477.jpg)
Thats the fella I mentioned earlier that was here with GH. Sure enough the last few weeks of the season we did look much fitter too.
Parks seems a good bloke, but I am concerned he has done bugger all to improve Guzan.
Another coach, beginning with B was mentioned on twitter but he is in work and may take some prising away
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Manager in "signing players he knows" shocker. None of TS Spurs rejects would have filled me with joy but at least he would have known their capabilities and what he hoped to get out of them. .If the next manager has some Lerner appointed knobs deciding what players he works with, I don't seen things improving much somehow
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The MOTD2 boys have just nailed it. Net spend £5m . Shocking.
Did they mention the complete lack of having any clue how he wanted us to play? Five at the back vs Stoke? Playing Gestede with no wingers? Or any of the other multitude of failings he showed this season?
No they focused on the loss of all our best players, the inexperienced ones who have come in and said sherwood couldn't sign his choice of players eg. Cambiasso, Lennon, Townsend and Adebayour . Then they mentioned a net spend of £5m and all shook their heads i
Tim Sherwood on 28th August:
"I have the final say whether we bring someone into the club or not. If they are a success they are down to me - and if they are a failure they are also down to me."
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Adebayor - Sherwood could not convince
To be fair to Sherwood, neither could God.
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The MOTD2 boys have just nailed it. Net spend £5m . Shocking.
No they didn't. Net spend is a small part of things. We spent a fortune, relatively, on a lot of players. Yes we could have spent more, but we could have bought Lazcette for £30 million to replace Benteke and I bet that under Sherwood we would have had no more than 3 points more. The 'MOTD boys' are looking to give their mate an excuse for his disgraceful performance this season. Sherwood could have had a net spend of £100 million and we'd still be fucked, because he can't or couldn't organise a team.
Think about it though, we needed a top keeper, not Bunn so add say £8m to get that.
We needed a Charlie Austin type aswell as possibly Ayew so add about £8m there
Still think we needed a RB (you could argue we got him in Richards who should be playing at RB) so we needed a centre half so add say £4m . Lescott I was happy with at the time but he's been woeful .
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Adebayor, Cambiasso, Lennon, Townsend. It's like the start of the Breakfast Club.
You see us as you want to see us, A Pensioner, A basketcase, A has Been, A Never Was.
We definitely wouldn't be bottom if we had those four in.
The first 2 I agree, the second two I don't think would have made much difference. And the first 2 Sherwood had his chance to get. He should carry the fall for that.
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Manager in "signing players he knows" shocker. None of TS Spurs rejects would have filled me with joy but at least he would have known their capabilities and what he hoped to get out of them. .
Like that's any more comforting.
He wanted to spend 14m on Andros Townsend. 14m. He wanted to sign Adebayor, a man who later said he didn't come because he didn't get a sign from god that it was the right move. And Aaron Lennon, who is basically a slightly faster Charles N'Zogbia.
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Adebayor would have been like Sherwood, be useful early on before turning into a disaster.
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Adebayor, Cambiasso, Lennon, Townsend. It's like the start of the Breakfast Club.
You see us as you want to see us, A Pensioner, A basketcase, A has Been, A Never Was.
We definitely wouldn't be bottom if we had those four in.
The first 2 I agree, the second two I don't think would have made much difference. And the first 2 Sherwood had his chance to get. He should carry the fall for that.
I think the main reason Cambiasso didn't come was to do with him wanting to play in Greece, rather than some refusal of the board to get him in.
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But Sherwood spoke to him and the club backed him with the signing, he chose to go elsewhere. My point is that his mates sitting on their pundit arses spouting complete bollocks are blaming the club for something they are not even at fault for.
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Rooted to the bottom or routed to the bottom, I think both suffice.
I'm going off to watch some Swedish porn now so I too can be rooted to the....knockers.
Ladbrokes have just slashed the odds on Trevor Francis making a return to management with
The keyboard player from 70's hit band Sparks as his number 2.
Outta here.
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I'll put my *ahem* reputation on the line and say I'd be happy (that alone is unusual) with Remi Garde. I remember reading about him when he was being linked with the Newcastle job and being jealous that seemed to have such imagination and we were in Lambersherwoodwonderland.
There's going to be a lot of jealously if we get him. So called experts will probably dismiss him because he chose us only later to sing his praises and claim he's ideal to replace Wenger or manage the French national team.
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How great would it be if he came in, turned it round and showed up Sherwood, and all his media mates, for being the shithouse he really is as we tear up the league with the same "net spend" squad.
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My gut feeling is Garde is a done deal.I think he'll be in for the Spurs game
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There's no getting away from the net spend though.
This is true, there's no chance you or s_h will let that happen.
Can one discussion about the state of the team/manager/recruitment please not be about net fucking spend as if that's the only possible thing that matters. No other country has this bullshit outside the top 2 or 3 sides who are spending the CL money and are effectively already operating in a european super league so why does everything in English football have to come back to spending huge fucking sums in every window, it's a nonsense and there are at least 3-4 clubs in the league right now who are proof that it's bullshit but still people refuse to think before they spout the tabloid inspired bullshit that losing vast sums of money every year is desirable.
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I'll put my *ahem* reputation on the line and say I'd be happy (that alone is unusual) with Remi Garde. I remember reading about him when he was being linked with the Newcastle job and being jealous that seemed to have such imagination and we were in Lambersherwoodwonderland.
There's going to be a lot of jealously if we get him. So called experts will probably dismiss him because he chose us only later to sing his praises and claim he's ideal to replace Wenger or manage the French national team.
Wouldn't it be great if Arsenal were coming after him in two/three seasons time. It'd suggest that he'd have done a great job and got us playing decent football. I think that scenario is almost the perfect one, rather than a negative against appointing him.
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And now look who's come to throw in his (or possibly the Monaco dog's) twopennies' worth - none other than himself, the Don Corleone of the old-boys' mafia, the Flappiest Mouth in the West, Harry Redknapp:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11954373/Harry-Redknapp-We-need-to-see-more-British-boys-managing-our-clubs.html
Too long to post all of it, but highlights include: "Rémi Garde is now looking massive favourite for the Aston Villa job but, with the greatest respect, why? What’s he done?" (why not read an article about it, you slothful git - oh wait, you 'can't read', I remember now - especially dubious contracts with shadowy third parties); and "how often do British managers get an opportunity to manage in Italy, Germany or France? They encourage their own" (or - their own managers aren't brickheaded old pros from the '90s who fancy taking a break from yapping about how 'simple' the game is from the MOTD sofa in order to go out and show those overcomplicating, untrustworthy foreigners how it's fackin' done mate).
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Manager in "signing players he knows" shocker. None of TS Spurs rejects would have filled me with joy but at least he would have known their capabilities and what he hoped to get out of them. .
Like that's any more comforting.
He wanted to spend 14m on Andros Townsend. 14m. He wanted to sign Adebayor, a man who later said he didn't come because he didn't get a sign from god that it was the right move. And Aaron Lennon, who is basically a slightly faster Charles N'Zogbia.
I agree totally. I just think we'd be higher in the league with players he knew what to do with and knew him, rather than obviously not having a clue what any of the recent signings brought to the table. Maybe he couldn't get them but i think its a safe bet that those 4 cost a hell of a lot more in wages than who we did buy which i'm guessing was the reason he didn't get them
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No mention of course about Vlaar and his injury problems or his regular shitness when he did play. And who else knew we loaned TC from Everton? They really do spout any old bollocks to support their mates.
Tim Sherwood has left Aston Villa but, during the summer, he also lost his three best players. Fabian Delph, Christian Benteke and Ron Vlaar all went and Tom Cleverley returned to Everton.
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Manager in "signing players he knows" shocker. None of TS Spurs rejects would have filled me with joy but at least he would have known their capabilities and what he hoped to get out of them. .
Like that's any more comforting.
He wanted to spend 14m on Andros Townsend. 14m. He wanted to sign Adebayor, a man who later said he didn't come because he didn't get a sign from god that it was the right move. And Aaron Lennon, who is basically a slightly faster Charles N'Zogbia.
I agree totally. I just think we'd be higher in the league with players he knew what to do with and knew him, rather than obviously not having a clue what any of the recent signings brought to the table. Maybe he couldn't get them but i think its a safe bet that those 4 cost a hell of a lot more in wages than who we did buy which i'm guessing was the reason he didn't get them
Or you could read back up the thread and see that the only one where that is possibly true is Lennon, Cambiasso wanted to go to Greece, Townsend didn't want to leave Spurs and God didn't tell Adebayor to join us so those 3 would only maybe have happened if we'd offered contracts vastly over their real value. Given we've spent 5 seasons getting rid of shit players on vastly exaggerated contracts I can understand why that wasn't an option. Let's add Begovic as well, who we spoke to but who went to Chelsea instead, that's 5 and the club backed him on all of them. To me when Sherwood wasn't getting anything done and the fans started to turn the 'committee' took it into their own hands and started making signings, which I think is ok, we needed them.
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No mention of course about Vlaar and his injury problems or his regular shitness when he did play. And who else knew we loaned TC from Everton? They really do spout any old bollocks to support their mates.
Tim Sherwood has left Aston Villa but, during the summer, he also lost his three best players. Fabian Delph, Christian Benteke and Ron Vlaar all went and Tom Cleverley returned to Everton.
We did lose our best and 2nd best player though. Considering we were shite anyway last year it was a big blow.
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Benteke yes, I don't think Ghana is much of a downgrade on Delph though, in fact I think he'll be better for us.
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Benteke yes, I don't think Ghana is much of a downgrade on Delph though, in fact I think he'll be better for us.
Losing Benteke was a seismic blow... especially as we bought two poor strikers with the money.
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Any mention of Harry Redknapp being our next manager makes me laugh. Then I remember when we appointed McLeish and I stop laughing.
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Any mention of Harry Redknapp being our next manager makes me laugh. Then I remember when we appointed McLeish and I stop laughing.
It would be fantastic... for the comedy aspect alone.
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Manager in "signing players he knows" shocker. None of TS Spurs rejects would have filled me with joy but at least he would have known their capabilities and what he hoped to get out of them. .
Like that's any more comforting.
He wanted to spend 14m on Andros Townsend. 14m. He wanted to sign Adebayor, a man who later said he didn't come because he didn't get a sign from god that it was the right move. And Aaron Lennon, who is basically a slightly faster Charles N'Zogbia.
I agree totally. I just think we'd be higher in the league with players he knew what to do with and knew him, rather than obviously not having a clue what any of the recent signings brought to the table. Maybe he couldn't get them but i think its a safe bet that those 4 cost a hell of a lot more in wages than who we did buy which i'm guessing was the reason he didn't get them
Or you could read back up the thread and see that the only one where that is possibly true is Lennon, Cambiasso wanted to go to Greece, Townsend didn't want to leave Spurs and God didn't tell Adebayor to join us so those 3 would only maybe have happened if we'd offered contracts vastly over their real value. Given we've spent 5 seasons getting rid of shit players on vastly exaggerated contracts I can understand why that wasn't an option. Let's add Begovic as well, who we spoke to but who went to Chelsea instead, that's 5 and the club backed him on all of them. To me when Sherwood wasn't getting anything done and the fans started to turn the 'committee' took it into their own hands and started making signings, which I think is ok, we needed them.
well i think all of them would have come if we'd paid them what they wanted,apart from Begovic, ie what they were on at spurs/offered by Olympaicos or near as dammit. Not saying we should have paid them that. I wouldn't have. BUT you have to back the manager on the players he wants. Otherwise why employ him? I don't want garde or whoever is to come in to target a player, and then some committee tell him he's too expensive and offer their own cheaper version. None of these people have any experience in coaching top flight players
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I'll put my *ahem* reputation on the line and say I'd be happy (that alone is unusual) with Remi Garde. I remember reading about him when he was being linked with the Newcastle job and being jealous that seemed to have such imagination and we were in Lambersherwoodwonderland.
There's going to be a lot of jealously if we get him. So called experts will probably dismiss him because he chose us only later to sing his praises and claim he's ideal to replace Wenger or manage the French national team.
Wouldn't it be great if Arsenal were coming after him in two/three seasons time. It'd suggest that he'd have done a great job and got us playing decent football. I think that scenario is almost the perfect one, rather than a negative against appointing him.
I think you might be getting a bit ahead of yourself 😉
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No mention of course about Vlaar and his injury problems or his regular shitness when he did play. And who else knew we loaned TC from Everton? They really do spout any old bollocks to support their mates.
Tim Sherwood has left Aston Villa but, during the summer, he also lost his three best players. Fabian Delph, Christian Benteke and Ron Vlaar all went and Tom Cleverley returned to Everton.
All four of them have been pretty much injured since leaving the club too.
Delph and Benteke were outstanding against Liverpool in the semi but we did finish 17th so maybe that Fab Four weren't exactly all that
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I'll put my *ahem* reputation on the line and say I'd be happy (that alone is unusual) with Remi Garde. I remember reading about him when he was being linked with the Newcastle job and being jealous that seemed to have such imagination and we were in Lambersherwoodwonderland.
There's going to be a lot of jealously if we get him. So called experts will probably dismiss him because he chose us only later to sing his praises and claim he's ideal to replace Wenger or manage the French national team.
Wouldn't it be great if Arsenal were coming after him in two/three seasons time. It'd suggest that he'd have done a great job and got us playing decent football. I think that scenario is almost the perfect one, rather than a negative against appointing him.
I think you might be getting a bit ahead of yourself 😉
It's a bit like when someone predicted Lambert would be using us as a stepping stone to managing Dortmund.
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Benteke yes, I don't think Ghana is much of a downgrade on Delph though, in fact I think he'll be better for us.
Losing Benteke was a seismic blow... especially as we bought two poor strikers with the money.
No, we bought a central midfielder, a right winger and 2 strikers and put some towards a left back as well. (Veretout, Traore, Ayew, Gestede together were about £30m)
Of those 3 I think Gestede was a poor signing, I'm pretty sure I said on here that I thought he was the wrong choice as well, just didn't look mobile enough when I'd seen him and what we've seen since backs that up. I think the other 3 have shown enough to suggest they can become good premier league players so I don't think the money was spent that terribly other than we needed better than Gestede, but I didn't really have an option because I don't think Austin was the answer either, Breel Embolo looked like a fantastic option but he's only 18 so it'd have been a big risk.
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Benteke yes, I don't think Ghana is much of a downgrade on Delph though, in fact I think he'll be better for us.
Losing Benteke was a seismic blow... especially as we bought two poor strikers with the money.
No, we bought a central midfielder, a right winger and 2 strikers and put some towards a left back as well. (Veretout, Traore, Ayew, Gestede together were about £30m)
Of those 3 I think Gestede was a poor signing, I'm pretty sure I said on here that I thought he was the wrong choice as well, just didn't look mobile enough when I'd seen him and what we've seen since backs that up. I think the other 3 have shown enough to suggest they can become good premier league players so I don't think the money was spent that terribly other than we needed better than Gestede, but I didn't really have an option because I don't think Austin was the answer either, Breel Embolo looked like a fantastic option but he's only 18 so it'd have been a big risk.
Yep, the question should be whether the substantial downgrade from Benteke to Gestede is made up for by the upgrades in other positions - at CB, at LB, in midfield, and at right wing. I guess it hasn't so far, but it's not set in stone just yet.
Of course, it hasn't really helped that instead of playing Veretout and giving him a chance to learn on the job, we keep trotting Westwood out there even though the good things that he offers have all been usurped by Gana; or that he kept playing Gabby (okay, he did alright on Saturday) in the early going; or that Adama and Gil have had injury problems.
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I'll put my *ahem* reputation on the line and say I'd be happy (that alone is unusual) with Remi Garde. I remember reading about him when he was being linked with the Newcastle job and being jealous that seemed to have such imagination and we were in Lambersherwoodwonderland.
There's going to be a lot of jealously if we get him. So called experts will probably dismiss him because he chose us only later to sing his praises and claim he's ideal to replace Wenger or manage the French national team.
Wouldn't it be great if Arsenal were coming after him in two/three seasons time. It'd suggest that he'd have done a great job and got us playing decent football. I think that scenario is almost the perfect one, rather than a negative against appointing him.
I think you might be getting a bit ahead of yourself 😉
It's a bit like when someone predicted Lambert would be using us as a stepping stone to managing Dortmund.
Big difference is, Garde has already been linked to taking over at Arsenal by Wenger. That's how high he rates him. Newcastle are going to be so, so jealous after chasing him for 6 months and you can be sure they, combined with Tactics' mates in the game and media will try to downgrade Garde purely based on him joining little Aston Villa.Fuckin' bring it on.
As for Redknapp, doesn't he think Aston Villa have done more than their fair share of hiring British managers? He can do one too.
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As for Redknapp, doesn't he think Aston Villa have done more than their fair share of hiring British managers? He can do one too.
Yep. If for arguments sake we include Pubehead and Mr Fickle as British (Fickle was born in London anyway), we've had British managers for all but 2 seasons in our history. He can hardly whine that we don't them a chance.
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I'll put my *ahem* reputation on the line and say I'd be happy (that alone is unusual) with Remi Garde. I remember reading about him when he was being linked with the Newcastle job and being jealous that seemed to have such imagination and we were in Lambersherwoodwonderland.
There's going to be a lot of jealously if we get him. So called experts will probably dismiss him because he chose us only later to sing his praises and claim he's ideal to replace Wenger or manage the French national team.
Wouldn't it be great if Arsenal were coming after him in two/three seasons time. It'd suggest that he'd have done a great job and got us playing decent football. I think that scenario is almost the perfect one, rather than a negative against appointing him.
I think you might be getting a bit ahead of yourself 😉
It's a bit like when someone predicted Lambert would be using us as a stepping stone to managing Dortmund.
Big difference is, Garde has already been linked to taking over at Arsenal by Wenger. That's how high he rates him. Newcastle are going to be so, so jealous after chasing him for 6 months and you can be sure they, combined with Tactics' mates in the game and media will try to downgrade Garde purely based on him joining little Aston Villa.Fuckin' bring it on.
As for Redknapp, doesn't he think Aston Villa have done more than their fair share of hiring British managers? He can do one too.
I think Garde would be a very forward thinking move and I'm all for it. I just think we need to let things play out and hope he is able to fulfil his potential. Let him make us great before worrying about where he might end up. And if he gets us going as we all might hope maybe by that time we are attractive enough for him to stay with us.
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And as for Redknapp he might be well served to look at his former clubs West Ham and Spurs before commenting on us. He really represents so much of what is wrong in English football and along with his mates embodies precisely why England is where it is internationally.
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I'd be worried that Garde might be this year's Solskjaer. Progressive, successful in his home league, experienced in Europe, with Prem playing experience. And totally out of his depth.
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I think if anyone is expecting a fantastic appointment then you haven't been paying attention. moyes isn't going to come in a million years. I'd expect Garde to be announced next couple of days
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Garde might be the next Solskjaer, but at least he is not Tim Sherwood and from the list of the usaul names being mentioned at least he is a bit left field.
As to Happy Harry, if there was an English / British Manager good enough maybe they would be given a chance, but apart from Fergie (British)when was the last time a English Manager won major silver ware, you dozy cockney spiff.
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Let's be fair though, Lyon is fucking miles above Molde in terms of stature though. Doesn't mean Garde will definitely be a success, of course, but at least he's managed in a properly decent European league unlike Norway, which is supposed to be around League One quality.
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Let's be fair though, Lyon is fucking miles above Molde in terms of stature though. Doesn't mean Garde will definitely be a success, of course, but at least he's managed in a properly decent European league unlike Norway, which is supposed to be around League One quality.
And I think you overrate les grenouilles. While they produce great players and the national team has been successful, the league is relatively gash. It's just about on a par with Portugal and Holland not Spain, Italy, Germany and England. Off the top of my head there have been more misses than hits by French coaches in the UK. Paul Le Guen stands out as particularly special - won the championship with Lyon, couldn't even hack it with Rangers in their financial doping heyday.
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well there is always a negative example of anything to pull out of the hat, and absolutely nothing to suggest at this stage that Garde would follow suit, either with us or someone else in the PL. Chin up.
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There's obviously plenty of the season to go. But any manager coming in must look at the squad and the next few fixtures and worry. Then they'll look at what managing villa has done for people's careers of late. It's easy now to say lambert is a bad manager. But he clearly did an excellent job with Norwich.
I think we're probably in a more perilous state now than at any time under Lerner. I can't see which players we're going to be able to call on the way we did benteke, Delph and cleverly last year. Maybe grealish. Maybe gana.
So someone who can drastically improve our defensive organisation is a must
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I think if anyone is expecting a fantastic appointment then you haven't been paying attention. moyes isn't going to come in a million years. I'd expect Garde to be announced next couple of days
And what about the people who think that Garde would be a much better appointment than Moyes?
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I'd be worried that Garde might be this year's Solskjær. Progressive, successful in his home league, experienced in Europe, with Prem playing experience. And totally out of his depth.
I agree, it would clearly have risks attached. We need to turn this around sharpish.
On the other hand, if it comes off, it could make us interesting as a club for the first time in a while.
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I think Moyes is the safe option in people's minds though Dave, the steady hand that will organise the back 4-6 and get us grinding out results. Maybe we don't have the players for that. Garde is certainly the more progressive option in the longer term, but it is whether he could get us safe in the short term.
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Manager in "signing players he knows" shocker. None of TS Spurs rejects would have filled me with joy but at least he would have known their capabilities and what he hoped to get out of them. .
Like that's any more comforting.
He wanted to spend 14m on Andros Townsend. 14m. He wanted to sign Adebayor, a man who later said he didn't come because he didn't get a sign from god that it was the right move. And Aaron Lennon, who is basically a slightly faster Charles N'Zogbia.
I agree totally. I just think we'd be higher in the league with players he knew what to do with and knew him, rather than obviously not having a clue what any of the recent signings brought to the table. Maybe he couldn't get them but i think its a safe bet that those 4 cost a hell of a lot more in wages than who we did buy which i'm guessing was the reason he didn't get them
Or you could read back up the thread and see that the only one where that is possibly true is Lennon, Cambiasso wanted to go to Greece, Townsend didn't want to leave Spurs and God didn't tell Adebayor to join us so those 3 would only maybe have happened if we'd offered contracts vastly over their real value. Given we've spent 5 seasons getting rid of shit players on vastly exaggerated contracts I can understand why that wasn't an option. Let's add Begovic as well, who we spoke to but who went to Chelsea instead, that's 5 and the club backed him on all of them. To me when Sherwood wasn't getting anything done and the fans started to turn the 'committee' took it into their own hands and started making signings, which I think is ok, we needed them.
well i think all of them would have come if we'd paid them what they wanted,apart from Begovic, ie what they were on at spurs/offered by Olympaicos or near as dammit. Not saying we should have paid them that. I wouldn't have.BUT you have to back the manager on the players he wants. Otherwise why employ him? I don't want garde or whoever is to come in to target a player, and then some committee tell him he's too expensive and offer their own cheaper version. None of these people have any experience in coaching top flight players
And that worked so well under MON. Complete waste of £150-200M to achieve the sum of (fuck all + buggar all)*naff all2.
The figures posted earlier must surely show that clubs such as Swansea and Southampton succeed in surviving quite easily in this league whilst generally recording a negative net spend. Why? Because they operate with pretty much the exact opposite of the model we've operated with until now and you advocate keeping.
Look at who's spent the most over that period, West Ham who almost certainly are spending the money for selling The Boleyn Ground in advance because I can't see the Gruesome Foursome sanctioning that kind of money otherwise and the major reason behind their rise up the league? Appointing a 21st century coach (not manager) and we'll see how long they last before they get a nose bleed and climb back down again.
The next 2 highest net spenders? Newcastle and Sunderland. The only 2 clubs that are competition for biggest basket case over the last 4-5 years. And guess what. They've operated the exact same recruitment system that we have.
Sorry the argument is bollocks. Og course the manager has to have input and ultimately final say, but that's not the same as him turning around with his wish list like a kid at Christmas and expecting to get his every wish fulfilled.
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Let's be fair though, Lyon is fucking miles above Molde in terms of stature though. Doesn't mean Garde will definitely be a success, of course, but at least he's managed in a properly decent European league unlike Norway, which is supposed to be around League One quality.
And I think you overrate les grenouilles. While they produce great players and the national team has been successful, the league is relatively gash. It's just about on a par with Portugal and Holland not Spain, Italy, Germany and England. Off the top of my head there have been more misses than hits by French coaches in the UK. Paul Le Guen stands out as particularly special - won the championship with Lyon, couldn't even hack it with Rangers in their financial doping heyday.
And yet a decent proportion of votes went to Frank de Boer who manages in........ Holland. I've even seen some say that he's an unrealistic target and out of our reach.
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Because it was always this bad under MON. Achieving fuck all like he did wouldn't be a bad thing right now.
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Just imagine if a manager comes in, plays nice football* and wins a couple of games.
He could be a hero.
*Can't have it all
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Remi Garde – Aston Villa talks to continue today
Talks between Aston Villa and former Lyon manager Remi Garde are due to continue today concerning the vacant managerial position.
The Frenchman as supposed to commentate on the Manchester derby yesterday afternoon for his current employers Canal +, but talks between Garde and Aston Villa prevented him from doing so, according to L’Équipe.
Aston Villa announced the departure of Tim Sherwood at around lunchtime yesterday, but the Villains had been looking for potential replacements long before that point, having already contacted Brendan Rodgers, David Moyes and Remi Garde before Sherwood’s sacking.
Since leaving Lyon in 2014, Remi Garde has rejected several offers, including jobs at Newcastle and very recently at Sunderland. The biggest challenge that Garde faces is ensuring that he can bring and much of his favoured coaching staff with him at such short notice.
Bruno Genesio is somebody that Garde played with at Lyon and was his assistant manager during his spell on OL’s touchline, but Genesio stayed on at Lyon when Garde left and is currently part of Hubert Fournier’s coaching staff. Genesio is vital to Garde’s setup but Lyon are perhaps unlikely to let him leave his current position.
Gérard Baticle and Robert Duverne are the other two individuals that Garde most wants in his potential coaching staff at Aston Villa, but the former is currently employed by Lyon still and Duverne is under contract with Metz.
Duverne of course has already worked for Aston Villa under the orders of Gérard Houllier, between September 2010 and June 2011.
For Aston Villa, Remi Garde has become a priority because Arsène Wenger has pushed them to go for the former Lyon manager. Wenger has reportedly encouraged Chief Executive Tom Fox and Sporting Director Hendrik Almstadt to appoint Garde, the latter individual of course being a former employee at Arsenal.
If Garde decides to accept the Aston Villa challenge, which will surely depend on how much of his coaching staff he can pull together at such short notice, then he will have a rich array of French/Ligue 1 talent at his disposal. Garde is very much considered by Arsène Wenger as a possible replacement for him at Arsenal, but Remi Garde must prove his credentials in the Premier League first.
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Let's be fair though, Lyon is fucking miles above Molde in terms of stature though. Doesn't mean Garde will definitely be a success, of course, but at least he's managed in a properly decent European league unlike Norway, which is supposed to be around League One quality.
And I think you overrate les grenouilles. While they produce great players and the national team has been successful, the league is relatively gash. It's just about on a par with Portugal and Holland not Spain, Italy, Germany and England. Off the top of my head there have been more misses than hits by French coaches in the UK. Paul Le Guen stands out as particularly special - won the championship with Lyon, couldn't even hack it with Rangers in their financial doping heyday.
I can see where you're coming from, but to be fair, Le Guen managed Lyon when they were dominant in Ligue 1 and still had pick of the best players, well before the rise of Qatar Saint Germain. Whereas Garde had the task of offloading most of the club's big stars and replacing them with academy youngsters while still keeping them competitive, something he managed successfully. Although other than that, it's true that his experience is limited. Also, it may only be October, but given our current position this season is going to be a scrap, and I'm not entirely sure Garde is a scrapper.
It would be a gamble, but very much the right sort of gamble. Garde has the right profile for the long term, and I'm delighted we're going for such a progressive option. It's what we should have done years ago.
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Let's be fair though, Lyon is fucking miles above Molde in terms of stature though. Doesn't mean Garde will definitely be a success, of course, but at least he's managed in a properly decent European league unlike Norway, which is supposed to be around League One quality.
And I think you overrate les grenouilles. While they produce great players and the national team has been successful, the league is relatively gash. It's just about on a par with Portugal and Holland not Spain, Italy, Germany and England. Off the top of my head there have been more misses than hits by French coaches in the UK. Paul Le Guen stands out as particularly special - won the championship with Lyon, couldn't even hack it with Rangers in their financial doping heyday.
Well, looking at UEFA coefficient, which I guess is not the greatest way of measuring league quality, you're right - it's just behind Portugal and just in front of Russia, although Holland is substantially lagging behind. I guess PSG inflates their coefficient and doesn't say much about the rest of the league, as does Porto and Benfica in Portugal.
There's a really limited sample of French managers who came to manage in the UK - apart from Le Guen and Houllier/Wenger, neither of whom really count for this exercise, I can only really think of Santini, who left before anybody had an idea as to whether he was any use or not.
I suppose the general point I wanted to make still ought to stand - I'm sure Ligue 1 and a big club like Lyon is is a far better prep for EPL management than somewhere like Norway, who were 24th in the coefficient.
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The worst thing about having a French manager is John Motson pronouncing their name. Its Jerrrrard Oooliyay all over again.
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The worst thing about having a French manager is John Motson pronouncing their name. Its Jerrrrard Oooliyay all over again.
The best one was his attempt at OGS. Sol-sky-rer. Sol-sk-yeah is closer.
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For Aston Villa, Remi Garde has become a priority because Arsène Wenger has pushed them to go for the former Lyon manager. Wenger has reportedly encouraged Chief Executive Tom Fox and Sporting Director Hendrik Almstadt to appoint Garde, the latter individual of course being a former employee at Arsenal.
Where have we heard that before? Wonder if he has written a letter.
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seems yet another gamble,
I suppose any appointment is a risk, but cant we go for David Moyes his cv dont read to bad.
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I woke up this morning with this strange feeling that we should go for Alex Ferguson. After all, he loves Villa Park....
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seems yet another gamble,
I suppose any appointment is a risk, but cant we go for David Moyes his cv dont read to bad.
I'd love Moyes at the Villa, it would give us a huge boost and lift the fans to know we finally got a manager who actually knows what he's doing. This Garde link worries the hell out of me though. Apparently he has a history of working with young players at clubs with tight budgets who sell their best players.
Honestly, this isn't gonna end well.
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For Aston Villa, Remi Garde has become a priority because Arsène Wenger has pushed them to go for the former Lyon manager. Wenger has reportedly encouraged Chief Executive Tom Fox and Sporting Director Hendrik Almstadt to appoint Garde, the latter individual of course being a former employee at Arsenal.
Where have we heard that before? Wonder if he has written a letter.
Exactly, and like Fergie all Wenger is interested in is taking 6 points off us every season
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I'm firmly in the Moyes camp, but I just don't think he'll take the risk of returning to the PL with us. If he fails, it would be very difficult for him to manage again in the top tier; better to hang on and achieve something solid in Spain in the hope that someone in a better position might come calling. just a thought.
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seems yet another gamble,
I suppose any appointment is a risk, but cant we go for David Moyes his cv dont read to bad.
I'd love Moyes at the Villa, it would give us a huge boost and lift the fans to know we finally got a manager who actually knows what he's doing. This Garde link worries the hell out of me though. Apparently he has a history of working with young players at clubs with tight budgets who sell their best players.
Honestly, this isn't gonna end well.
Yes why go for a manager who suits our squad and was reasonably successful in a similar setup when we can go for one who's failed/failing in his last 2 jobs and would need to replace half the squad.
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The MOTD2 boys have just nailed it. Net spend £5m . Shocking.
I still think 25m net spend , sherwood stil wouldn't have a clue . He listened to wilkins too much for a start.
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Having just heard Dwight Yorke on Talkshite, I'm convinced he's the man for us. As he said, he'd be ideal after having spent 10 years at the club, having a great relationship with the fans, got his coaching badges and been a pundit on loads of games on Sky over the years. And he's not one of these managers who don't do anything but keep on getting jobs (take that, Allardyce!). Yep he's the man for me alright!
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seems yet another gamble,
I suppose any appointment is a risk, but cant we go for David Moyes his cv dont read to bad.
I'd love Moyes at the Villa, it would give us a huge boost and lift the fans to know we finally got a manager who actually knows what he's doing. This Garde link worries the hell out of me though. Apparently he has a history of working with young players at clubs with tight budgets who sell their best players.
Honestly, this isn't gonna end well.
Yes why go for a manager who suits our squad and was reasonably successful in a similar setup when we can go for one who's failed/failing in his last 2 jobs and would need to replace half the squad.
Because I want something different from the last 6 seasons that's why.
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seems yet another gamble,
I suppose any appointment is a risk, but cant we go for David Moyes his cv dont read to bad.
I'd love Moyes at the Villa, it would give us a huge boost and lift the fans to know we finally got a manager who actually knows what he's doing. This Garde link worries the hell out of me though. Apparently he has a history of working with young players at clubs with tight budgets who sell their best players.
Honestly, this isn't gonna end well.
Yes why go for a manager who suits our squad and was reasonably successful in a similar setup when we can go for one who's failed/failing in his last 2 jobs and would need to replace half the squad.
I'm fairly happy with either but I think it will be Garde. Anyway whoever comes in,and preferably this week,will have to hit the ground running with the fixtures we have coming up. We shall have to wait and see.
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Having just heard Dwight Yorke on Talkshite, I'm convinced he's the man for us. As he said, he'd be ideal after having spent 10 years at the club, having a great relationship with the fans, got his coaching badges and been a pundit on loads of games on Sky over the years. And he's not one of these managers who don't do anything but keep on getting jobs (take that, Allardyce!). Yep he's the man for me alright!
Oh Dear Oh Dear Oh Dear
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Its remi grade. He wont come without his no.2. lyon wont let him go.
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Its remi grade. He wont come without his no.2. lyon wont let him go.
Ray Wilkins is available!!
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Expect rumours on twittter about moyes today
Thou they dont want him.
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Expect rumours on twittter about moyes today
Thou they dont want him.
Because they know he wouldn't work for them?
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seems yet another gamble,
I suppose any appointment is a risk, but cant we go for David Moyes his cv dont read to bad.
I'd love Moyes at the Villa, it would give us a huge boost and lift the fans to know we finally got a manager who actually knows what he's doing. This Garde link worries the hell out of me though. Apparently he has a history of working with young players at clubs with tight budgets who sell their best players.
Honestly, this isn't gonna end well.
Whereas Moyes' only real managerial success on the other hand was working with young players at a club with a tight budget who sold their best...
Oh.
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Expect rumours on twittter about moyes today
Thou they dont want him.
Because they know he wouldn't work for them?
They want garde
Moyes is interviewed today .
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seems yet another gamble,
I suppose any appointment is a risk, but cant we go for David Moyes his cv dont read to bad.
I'd love Moyes at the Villa, it would give us a huge boost and lift the fans to know we finally got a manager who actually knows what he's doing. This Garde link worries the hell out of me though. Apparently he has a history of working with young players at clubs with tight budgets who sell their best players.
Honestly, this isn't gonna end well.
Whereas Moyes' only real managerial success on the other hand was working with young players at a club with a tight budget who sold their best...
Oh.
Oh yeah! Let's get Garde then.
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There's a really limited sample of French managers who came to manage in the UK - apart from Le Guen and Houllier/Wenger, neither of whom really count for this exercise, I can only really think of Santini, who left before anybody had an idea as to whether he was any use or not.
Don't forget Alain Perrin the Portsmouth legend.
Anyway, I think we're arguing over who's the tallest dwarf. I wouldn't care if the next manager came from Mars as long as they worked out OK.
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Expect rumours on twittter about moyes today
Thou they dont want him.
Because they know he wouldn't work for them?
They want garde
Moyes is interviewed today .
I don't understand why you'd interview someone if you don't actually want him.
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seems yet another gamble,
I suppose any appointment is a risk, but cant we go for David Moyes his cv dont read to bad.
I'd love Moyes at the Villa, it would give us a huge boost and lift the fans to know we finally got a manager who actually knows what he's doing. This Garde link worries the hell out of me though. Apparently he has a history of working with young players at clubs with tight budgets who sell their best players.
Honestly, this isn't gonna end well.
Whereas Moyes' only real managerial success on the other hand was working with young players at a club with a tight budget who sold their best...
Oh.
Oh yeah! Let's get Garde then.
It will be .
Just need lyon to let villa talk to whoever his no.2 was at lyon.
Lyon wont let anyone talk to him.
Not that i blame them.
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Expect rumours on twittter about moyes today
Thou they dont want him.
Because they know he wouldn't work for them?
They want garde
Moyes is interviewed today .
I can't believe that's happening for a second
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My sources have just contacted me to confirm they are in for Rene Artois! Interview later today
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The MOTD2 boys have just nailed it.
Just seen this. Got to laugh. The MOTD2 boys couldn't nail something if they had a bag of nails, a hammer and a massive plank (and I don't mean the one that presents it).
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It would be a gamble, but very much the right sort of gamble. Garde has the right profile for the long term, and I'm delighted we're going for such a progressive option. It's what we should have done years ago.
I defer to your superior local knowledge Señor Mouse.
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Expect rumours on twittter about moyes today
Thou they dont want him.
Because they know he wouldn't work for them?
They want garde
Moyes is interviewed today .
I don't understand why you'd interview someone if you don't actually want him.
Why not.
Be stupid to rely on one person.
Moyes his no.4 choice
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Expect rumours on twittter about moyes today
Thou they dont want him.
Because they know he wouldn't work for them?
They want garde
Moyes is interviewed today .
I don't understand why you'd interview someone if you don't actually want him.
Why not.
Be stupid to rely on one person.
Moyes his no.4 choice
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No wonder this club is in a mess.
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Expect rumours on twittter about moyes today
Thou they dont want him.
Because they know he wouldn't work for them?
They want garde
Moyes is interviewed today .
I don't understand why you'd interview someone if you don't actually want him.
Why not.
Be stupid to rely on one person.
Moyes his no.4 choice
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No wonder this club is in a mess.
You want moyes then ?
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The MOTD2 boys have just nailed it.
Just seen this. Got to laugh. The MOTD2 boys couldn't nail something if they had a bag of nails, a hammer and a massive plank (and I don't mean the one that presents it).
It's the laziest, quickest and least intelligent way to look at it and be able to support their mate at the same time.
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Expect rumours on twittter about moyes today
Thou they dont want him.
Because they know he wouldn't work for them?
They want garde
Moyes is interviewed today .
I don't understand why you'd interview someone if you don't actually want him.
Why not.
Be stupid to rely on one person.
Moyes his no.4 choice
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Go on then - who are two and three?
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I think ive said enough dave :)
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Expect rumours on twittter about moyes today
Thou they dont want him.
Because they know he wouldn't work for them?
They want garde
Moyes is interviewed today .
I don't understand why you'd interview someone if you don't actually want him.
Why not.
Be stupid to rely on one person.
Moyes his no.4 choice
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No wonder this club is in a mess.
You want moyes then ?
Damn right. We need to stop pissing around with hiring rookies and has beens and come to our senses. No more gambles. Moyes is the man for the job.
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Maybe youre right saunders
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I think ive said enough dave :)
Well if it's clear we want Garde you may as well tell us the other two.
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Expect rumours on twittter about moyes today
Thou they dont want him.
Because they know he wouldn't work for them?
They want garde
Moyes is interviewed today .
I don't understand why you'd interview someone if you don't actually want him.
Happened to me enough times.
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I think Garde would be a good choice if we were mid table, but we need to get this right, the biggest choice we have to make in our history. Get in someone with the points ratio of our last two managers and we will go down.
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The worst thing about having a French manager is John Motson pronouncing their name. Its Jerrrrard Oooliyay all over again.
The best one was his attempt at OGS. Sol-sky-rer. Sol-sk-yeah is closer.
the worse one was Didier DrogBAR with emphasis on BAR
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Come on, spill the beans.
I'd be as happy with Moyes as I would with Garde. Maybe more so, although that's not to say I'd mind Garde as I can see some reason behind it.
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I think Garde would be a good choice if we were mid table, but we need to get this right, the biggest choice we have to make in our history. Get in someone with the points ratio of our last two managers and we will go down.
Precisely. We need someone who knows this league inside out to prepare us for the battle ahead which will get ugly, not another rookie.
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I think ive said enough dave :)
You've said pretty much nothing.
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Its remi grade. He wont come without his no.2. lyon wont let him go.
"They won't let him go" does not happen these days. It's just a matter of a person's will to leave and rest is £££.
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I think ive said enough dave :)
You've said pretty much nothing.
Thats fine then .
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Its remi grade. He wont come without his no.2. lyon wont let him go.
"They won't let him go" does not happen these days. It's just a matter of a person's will to leave and rest is £££.
Im sure . When they release him . I dont even know who he is or where he is at regarding lyon. But garde wants him .
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My sources have just contacted me to confirm they are in for Rene Artois! Interview later today
Good. I look forward to a distinct improvement in HT coffee at VP. Michelle and Helga also coming?
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Its remi grade. He wont come without his no.2. lyon wont let him go.
I seldom leave home without a no.2 these days.
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Its remi grade. He wont come without his no.2. lyon wont let him go.
I seldom leave home without a no.2 these days.
Classic
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I think Garde would be a good choice if we were mid table, but we need to get this right, the biggest choice we have to make in our history. Get in someone with the points ratio of our last two managers and we will go down.
Precisely. We need someone who knows this league inside out to prepare us for the battle ahead which will get ugly, not another rookie.
Yet ironically Sherwood actually got us out of the shit last year by getting the team playing football, while it went to shit this year when he moved away from that. It hadn't been great, but hadn't been as woeful as it ended up until after Leicester when he lost the plot and tried to do god knows what.
Moyes is Allardyce light. Functional, perfunctory, soulless. He MIGHT make staying up a more comfortable experience this season, but within 12 months people will be agitating for "the next level" again. Someone like Garde has just as much chance of keeping us up and will definitely have more chance of moving us up the league in the following couple of years, unless you believe that the only way is to keep paying over the odds for players already in the PL as per the MON model and the one Sherwood apparently wanted, (or is that really why he was binned, lifting the lid on how unreasonable the transfer philosophy was this summer?)
Still waiting for you to answer when should Lerner have been allowed to reign in the spending from a few days ago by the way.
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My sources have just contacted me to confirm they are in for Rene Artois! Interview later today
Well that's an improvement as the last few weeks, the only way to watch the Villa was to sit down with Stella Artois.
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Its remi grade. He wont come without his no.2. lyon wont let him go.
I seldom leave home without a no.2 these days.
I've let go several number twos this morning. Lyon want to be careful, that behaviour can lead to piles.
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Theo Epstein as Director of Football and Joe Maddon as Manager
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They are joint assistants at Lyon by the look of it. So will have some work to do to get them 2 and Duverne from wherever he is. If it is Garde they want though, there is zero point if we don't get his backroom team. Pay the money to get them in.
I am betting Rodgers and Pearson, as per the Birmingham Mail report half an hour ago, are 2 and 3 on the JP list Dave.
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Mark Hughes. Has done well pretty much anywhere he has been. A couple of blips if you look close enough but a reliable Manager who makes teams solid. He might also like a few of our players. Right now, I'd be happy with solid and harder to beat. Not everyone's cup of tea but I doubt we'd ever completely agree. Like others have said on here, I really want us to compete and be ruthless with the next choice, steal them away from their club.
I can't stand Mark Hughes. He has done nothing at management level. All he ever does is blame the referee's for every decision that doesn't go his way. A dour whinging moaning bastard that I wouldn't want anywhere near Villa Park.
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They are joint assistants at Lyon by the look of it. So will have some work to do to get them 2 and Duverne from wherever he is. If it is Garde they want though, there is zero point if we don't get his backroom team. Pay the money to get them in.
I am betting Rodgers and Pearson, as per the Birmingham Mail report half an hour ago, are 2 and 3 on the JP list Dave.
Message me ozz.
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Duverne is at Montpellier I think.
back to Moyes for a moment, S_H your solution to different to the last 6 years (4 years of which we were managed by a dour scotsmen playing largely 'functional' football) is to go for a dour scotsman who plays functional football? Do you not think through what you're typing? What you're actually bursting to say is that you want Lerner to spend fuckloads of money and you think Moyes is more likely to demand that than Garde, just be honest.
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Would Pearson really be ahead of Moyes on our wish list?
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They are joint assistants at Lyon by the look of it. So will have some work to do to get them 2 and Duverne from wherever he is. If it is Garde they want though, there is zero point if we don't get his backroom team. Pay the money to get them in.
I am betting Rodgers and Pearson, as per the Birmingham Mail report half an hour ago, are 2 and 3 on the JP list Dave.
I think lyon are really playing hardball on this.
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Duverne is at Montpellier I think.
back to Moyes for a moment, S_H your solution to different to the last 6 years (4 years of which we were managed by a dour scotsmen playing largely 'functional' football) is to go for a dour scotsman who plays functional football? Do you not think through what you're typing? What you're actually bursting to say is that you want Lerner to spend fuckloads of money and you think Moyes is more likely to demand that than Garde, just be honest.
I don't know what Moyes nationality has got to do with anything.
Moyes will stand up to Lerner and Fox which is what we need. Irrespective of that he knows the PL inside out and that's what we need to stay in this league, not some gamble on an out of work bloke who's never worked as a manager outside of France.
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Duverne is at Montpellier I think.
back to Moyes for a moment, S_H your solution to different to the last 6 years (4 years of which we were managed by a dour scotsmen playing largely 'functional' football) is to go for a dour scotsman who plays functional football? Do you not think through what you're typing? What you're actually bursting to say is that you want Lerner to spend fuckloads of money and you think Moyes is more likely to demand that than Garde, just be honest.
I don't know what Moyes nationality has got to do with anything.
Moyes will stand up to Lerner and Fox which is what we need. Irrespective of that he knows the PL inside out and that's what we need to stay in this league, not some gamble on an out of work bloke who's never worked as a manager outside of France.
I can see the argument, and it has merit Saunders, but look down the league, there are a lot of managers who have not managed in this league, come in and done very well, with less impressive reputations than Garde.
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I've just heard (and this has yet to be confirmed so don't quote me on this) but there are likely to be huge rumours on Twitter and Facebook today. I will reveal more as and when I have ascertained the facts. What I gather from several reputable news outlets is that it all is indisputable and furthermore set in stone. Stand by for updates.
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Can anyone tell me what the obsession with us getting ugly and being able to fight a Fat Sam teams fire with fire? We don't have the players for this, who in midfield is going to do this? We have Richards and Gestede with any physical presence and you could include Hutton because he can't tackle apart from that we have a fair few quickish or technical players. Gil, Grealish, Amavi, Traore, Ayew, Gueye, Clark, Westwood, Veretout.... if we are going to go physical with this lot then we are relegated. Get a manager in who can play to the few strengths we have.
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Duverne is at Montpellier I think.
back to Moyes for a moment, S_H your solution to different to the last 6 years (4 years of which we were managed by a dour scotsmen playing largely 'functional' football) is to go for a dour scotsman who plays functional football? Do you not think through what you're typing? What you're actually bursting to say is that you want Lerner to spend fuckloads of money and you think Moyes is more likely to demand that than Garde, just be honest.
I don't know what Moyes nationality has got to do with anything.
Moyes will stand up to Lerner and Fox which is what we need. Irrespective of that he knows the PL inside out and that's what we need to stay in this league, not some gamble on an out of work bloke who's never worked as a manager outside of France.
I can see the argument, and it has merit Saunders, but look down the league, there are a lot of managers who have not managed in this league, come in and done very well, with less impressive reputations than Garde.
True but we're bottom of the league though. I'd rather we went with Moyes' experience. I can't believe we're going for another gamble on a rookie.
It's madness.
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I have heard some things from a person that knows a thing or two about s thing or two.
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He is not a rookie though. Sherwood was a rookie. This guy is 49 and managed for 3 seasons, had 4-5 as an assistant and generally been respected as a coach for a fair while. Sherwood had 6 months at Spurs.
I am split on Moyes or Garde to be fair, I would take either, both have sensible arguments going for them, but I don't think Garde is "madness" as you say. Pocchetino looked a crazy move by Southampton, and a guy who covers Spain for Talksport said that he would be at a top 6 side in 3 seasons because he is a genuinely good manager. Maybe we can get fortunate and Garde is as decent as the reports seem to be making out. Maybe not.
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as an Aston Villa Fan I want what I think is best for my club, I think David Moyes, weve been down the road of the no knowledge of the prem, Garde may well be great in France, but that aint the prem.
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Can anyone tell me what the obsession with us getting ugly and being able to fight a Fat Sam teams fire with fire? We don't have the players for this, who in midfield is going to do this? We have Richards and Gestede with any physical presence and you could include Hutton because he can't tackle apart from that we have a fair few quickish or technical players. Gil, Grealish, Amavi, Traore, Ayew, Gueye, Clark, Westwood, Veretout.... if we are going to go physical with this lot then we are relegated. Get a manager in who can play to the few strengths we have.
Precisely.
The squad we have does not fit the 'industrial' way of playing the game.
We are going to need a bit more finesse if we are going to get out of this mess.
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Duverne is at Montpellier I think.
back to Moyes for a moment, S_H your solution to different to the last 6 years (4 years of which we were managed by a dour scotsmen playing largely 'functional' football) is to go for a dour scotsman who plays functional football? Do you not think through what you're typing? What you're actually bursting to say is that you want Lerner to spend fuckloads of money and you think Moyes is more likely to demand that than Garde, just be honest.
I don't know what Moyes nationality has got to do with anything.
Moyes will stand up to Lerner and Fox which is what we need. Irrespective of that he knows the PL inside out and that's what we need to stay in this league, not some gamble on an out of work bloke who's never worked as a manager outside of France.
I can see the argument, and it has merit Saunders, but look down the league, there are a lot of managers who have not managed in this league, come in and done very well, with less impressive reputations than Garde.
True but we're bottom of the league though. I'd rather we went with Moyes' experience. I can't believe we're going for another gamble on a rookie.
It's madness.
If every club just goes for experience there would never be any new managers coming through. This Garde is hardly a rookie either. He's managed before albeit the French league and has a decent record. He might do okay and okay is as much as we can expect in our current predicament really.
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Garde with viera and Henry might be alright ;)
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Plane just landed at bhx . Looks like it's come from Europe . You heard it here first
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I've just heard (and this has yet to be confirmed so don't quote me on this) but there are likely to be huge rumours on Twitter and Facebook today. I will reveal more as and when I have ascertained the facts. What I gather from several reputable news outlets is that it all is indisputable and furthermore set in stone. Stand by for updates.
I wonder if you're talking about the same rumours I have heard from my reputable source, who I can't name but who is definitely ITK, who has told me it's going to be someone we've heard of but would not necessarily expect, depending on our knowledge, but they're just talking to someone else predictable first (can't say who but I think we can all guess - not that one but the other one), just to see what his plans are, but unless something very unlikely happens it's definitely going to be the one I didn't mention first. Is that the one, Bish? (By the way, keep it under your hat, everyone, I haven't said anything).
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They have broken out the special biscuits in the board room.
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as an Aston Villa Fan I want what I think is best for my club, I think David Moyes, weve been down the road of the no knowledge of the prem, Garde may well be great in France, but that aint the prem.
Who have we been down that road with??
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but Moyes recent experience is blowing his chance at a top job and then having a 'new manager bounce' at Sociedad before taking them on to a start of the season nearly as bad as ours. If he was coming direct from Everton to us then I'd see you're point but that's 2 1/2 years ago and he's largely failed since then so he's just as big a risk.
His nationality came into it because you specifically stated you wanted something different but I don't see what's so different about him. Remi Garde or Frank de Boer or Thomas Tuchel, etc would be something different, going with a very British manager playing very British football isn't different. Yes he's more experienced but then so was Houllier and McLeish was hardly a rookie.
As others have said the most important thing is to get someone who can work with the squad we have and get them playing as if they know each other. If that is Garde then his lack of experience managing in this league is irrelevant.
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I've just heard (and this has yet to be confirmed so don't quote me on this) but there are likely to be huge rumours on Twitter and Facebook today. I will reveal more as and when I have ascertained the facts. What I gather from several reputable news outlets is that it all is indisputable and furthermore set in stone. Stand by for updates.
I wonder if you're talking about the same rumours I have heard from my reputable source, who I can't name but who is definitely ITK, who has told me it's going to be someone we've heard of but would not necessarily expect, depending on our knowledge, but they're just talking to someone else predictable first (can't say who but I think we can all guess - not that one but the other one), just to see what his plans are, but unless something very unlikely happens it's definitely going to be the one I didn't mention first. Is that the one, Bish? (By the way, keep it under your hat, everyone, I haven't said anything).
Will PM you with details as soon as my source has or indeed has not verified the aforementioned.
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as an Aston Villa Fan I want what I think is best for my club, I think David Moyes, weve been down the road of the no knowledge of the prem, Garde may well be great in France, but that aint the prem.
Who have we been down that road with??
Sorry for my poor grama "down the road with no prem knowledge" Mcleish and Lambert limited knowledge, Tim hardly any, these were bad gambles.
more like cheap options, and to get a TOP manager like Moyes Villa would have to promise a budget for January and I think that will be the stumbling block.
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I want someone who can't remember Gabby from 6 years ago
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Duverne is at Montpellier I think.
back to Moyes for a moment, S_H your solution to different to the last 6 years (4 years of which we were managed by a dour scotsmen playing largely 'functional' football) is to go for a dour scotsman who plays functional football? Do you not think through what you're typing? What you're actually bursting to say is that you want Lerner to spend fuckloads of money and you think Moyes is more likely to demand that than Garde, just be honest.
I don't know what Moyes nationality has got to do with anything.
Moyes will stand up to Lerner and Fox which is what we need. Irrespective of that he knows the PL inside out and that's what we need to stay in this league, not some gamble on an out of work bloke who's never worked as a manager outside of France.
Is there any evidence for this particular assertion? I don't ever recall him being at loggerheads with kenwright at everton, for instance.
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Duverne is at Montpellier I think.
back to Moyes for a moment, S_H your solution to different to the last 6 years (4 years of which we were managed by a dour scotsmen playing largely 'functional' football) is to go for a dour scotsman who plays functional football? Do you not think through what you're typing? What you're actually bursting to say is that you want Lerner to spend fuckloads of money and you think Moyes is more likely to demand that than Garde, just be honest.
I don't know what Moyes nationality has got to do with anything.
Moyes will stand up to Lerner and Fox which is what we need. Irrespective of that he knows the PL inside out and that's what we need to stay in this league, not some gamble on an out of work bloke who's never worked as a manager outside of France.
I can see the argument, and it has merit Saunders, but look down the league, there are a lot of managers who have not managed in this league, come in and done very well, with less impressive reputations than Garde.
True but we're bottom of the league though. I'd rather we went with Moyes' experience. I can't believe we're going for another gamble on a rookie.
It's madness.
If every club just goes for experience there would never be any new managers coming through. This Garde is hardly a rookie either. He's managed before albeit the French league and has a decent record. He might do okay and okay is as much as we can expect in our current predicament really.
Houllier, McLeish lots of experience there
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as an Aston Villa Fan I want what I think is best for my club, I think David Moyes, weve been down the road of the no knowledge of the prem, Garde may well be great in France, but that aint the prem.
Who have we been down that road with??
Vic Crowe? Brian Little?
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I want someone who can't remember Gabby from 6 years ago
Yes. Unless he can be recreated. Time travel is tricky though.
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I want someone who can't remember Gabby or Lescott from 6 years ago
Fixed.
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Plane just landed at bhx . Looks like it's come from Europe . You heard it here first
I wondered where N'Zogbia had been.
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I want someone who can't remember Gabby or Lescott from 6 years ago
Fixed.
Can you imagine someone taking over who likes technical players and what they would think of those 2.
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How many French players have we got at the club now ?
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So of the 4 possibles
1) Moyes - good track record at a similar club. Would scrap us out of the mess and make us a mid table team over the next 2 years. Football wouldn't be pretty though. If we go down as worse case he has good experience and record in the league below.
2) Rodgers - fine football. Like Moyes last job was a little too big for him. Good thinker and network of contacts. Board structure shouldn't faze him. Down side - no experience of a dogfight but like Moyes good record should worse come to pass
3) Garde - on paper good but not sure if he has quality to turn this set of players around and if the worse transpires not sure how he would cut it in Championship.
4) Pearson - I think he did a fine job at Leicester both time. Main downside he is another combustible character and we were fed up with the last one.
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How many French players have we got at the club now ?
Including N'Zogbia or just realistic playing propositions?
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Look at it this way. If Sherwood with way less games to go, in a far more desperate situation can rescue this club with next to no experience as a manager, then I have no doubt Remi Garde can. And I would rather take the upside of Remi Garde and his brand of football and management than Moyes.
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No PL experience does not necessarily mean a manager can't succeed. While there have been plenty of foreign failures there have been some who did well, even at mid-level clubs. Pochettino and Koeman for example, Laudrup for a while, and Bilic seems to be doing quite well so far. The thought of Moyes as manager really does not appeal. I suppose he might keep us up but I've had enough of dour Scots and their dour brand of football. I also don't think his rather attritional approach would suit our current squad. Foreign coaches tend to be much better at tactics and I'd rather we looked abroad. I'm also struggling to understand why anyone would vote for someone like Dyche. Whilst he seems a great bloke but his only experience of the PL was getting relegated. We may as well hire McLeish again.
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So of the 4 possibles
1) Moyes - good track record at a similar club. Would scrap us out of the mess and make us a mid table team over the next 2 years. Football wouldn't be pretty though. If we go down as worse case he has good experience and record in the league below.
2) Rodgers - fine football. Like Moyes last job was a little too big for him. Good thinker and network of contacts. Board structure shouldn't faze him. Down side - no experience of a dogfight but like Moyes good record should worse come to pass
3) Garde - on paper good but not sure if he has quality to turn this set of players around and if the worse transpires not sure how he would cut it in Championship.
4) Pearson - I think he did a fine job at Leicester both time. Main downside he is another combustible character and we were fed up with the last one.
Nice summary.
To be fair to Moyes, I always thought Everton played decent football. Not sure about PNE before that though.
Garde is the managerial equivalent of this summer's player recruitment policy. Consistent approach to be fair - but risky.
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He played in England for three years back when it was much less like European football in terms of physicality and scrappiness, so he knows what's going on.
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I've just heard (and this has yet to be confirmed so don't quote me on this) but there are likely to be huge rumours on Twitter and Facebook today. I will reveal more as and when I have ascertained the facts. What I gather from several reputable news outlets is that it all is indisputable and furthermore set in stone. Stand by for updates.
I wonder if you're talking about the same rumours I have heard from my reputable source, who I can't name but who is definitely ITK, who has told me it's going to be someone we've heard of but would not necessarily expect, depending on our knowledge, but they're just talking to someone else predictable first (can't say who but I think we can all guess - not that one but the other one), just to see what his plans are, but unless something very unlikely happens it's definitely going to be the one I didn't mention first. Is that the one, Bish? (By the way, keep it under your hat, everyone, I haven't said anything).
Will PM you with details as soon as my source has or indeed has not verified the aforementioned.
Stop being naughty
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Interesting part of that four four two article, particularly in light of saunders' "stand up to the board" requirement.
One thing that may worry owner Mike Ashley is Garde’s stubbornness to protect his project. The former Lyon coach is not one to sit back and let those above him walk all over his hard work. Last January, when Napoli made a €13 million bid for Garde’s captain Gonalons, the coach, understanding the importance of his midfield protector, gave the board an ultimatum.
Garde was willing to quit Les Gones there and then if Gonalons was sold. It was all or nothing, and Garde came out on top. Fournier has Garde to thank for the exceptional season Gonalons is having at the heart of the French league leaders.
I have to say, the more I read into him, the more garde seems to make sense. After not knowing all that much about him to begin with, I really hope this comes off now.
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No PL experience does not necessarily mean a manager can't succeed. While there have been plenty of foreign failures there have been some who did well, even at mid-level clubs. Pochettino and Koeman for example, Laudrup for a while, and Bilic seems to be doing quite well so far. The thought of Moyes as manager really does not appeal. I suppose he might keep us up but I've had enough of dour Scots and their dour brand of football. I also don't think his rather attritional approach would suit our current squad. Foreign coaches tend to be much better at tactics and I'd rather we looked abroad. I'm also struggling to understand why anyone would vote for someone like Dyche. Whilst he seems a great bloke but his only experience of the PL was getting relegated. We may as well hire McLeish again.
The Watford manager looks like he could turn out to be another.
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Interesting part of that four four two article, particularly in light of saunders' "stand up to the board" requirement.
One thing that may worry owner Mike Ashley is Garde’s stubbornness to protect his project. The former Lyon coach is not one to sit back and let those above him walk all over his hard work. Last January, when Napoli made a €13 million bid for Garde’s captain Gonalons, the coach, understanding the importance of his midfield protector, gave the board an ultimatum.
Garde was willing to quit Les Gones there and then if Gonalons was sold. It was all or nothing, and Garde came out on top. Fournier has Garde to thank for the exceptional season Gonalons is having at the heart of the French league leaders.
I have to say, the more I read into him, the more garde seems to make sense. After not knowing all that much about him to begin with, I really hope this comes off now.
Also, how exactly did Moyes stand up to the board and get them to release more money for players at Everton? Maybe I'm missing something here, but I thought Kenwright is renowned and reviled as one of the world's meanest chairmen.
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I think Alan Hutton is fluent in French.
Alain de Hutton
With a broad Scottish accent??
Hutton dressed up as Mouton?
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Yeah, not to mention that (and working solely of memory here so will probably be wrong) a lot of his bigger purchases at everton were relative failures.
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No PL experience does not necessarily mean a manager can't succeed. While there have been plenty of foreign failures there have been some who did well, even at mid-level clubs. Pochettino and Koeman for example, Laudrup for a while, and Bilic seems to be doing quite well so far. The thought of Moyes as manager really does not appeal. I suppose he might keep us up but I've had enough of dour Scots and their dour brand of football. I also don't think his rather attritional approach would suit our current squad. Foreign coaches tend to be much better at tactics and I'd rather we looked abroad. I'm also struggling to understand why anyone would vote for someone like Dyche. Whilst he seems a great bloke but his only experience of the PL was getting relegated. We may as well hire McLeish again.
The Watford manager looks like he could turn out to be another.
Correct. I'm a fan of Dyche and Rowett to be fair, both in the future could be Villa managers but need to build on what they have done so far.
This is not the right time for them
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Yeah, not to mention that (and working solely of memory here so will probably be wrong) a lot of his bigger purchases at everton were relative failures.
Mixed bag.
Fellanni was a massive success and sold at big profit
Biliyabollocov was largely average
Yakubu was Yakubu - bullied rubbish teams for a year and half before getting bored.
Jagielka and Baines have been big successes and they made a big profit (god knows how) on Andy Johnson
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No PL experience does not necessarily mean a manager can't succeed. While there have been plenty of foreign failures there have been some who did well, even at mid-level clubs. Pochettino and Koeman for example, Laudrup for a while, and Bilic seems to be doing quite well so far. The thought of Moyes as manager really does not appeal. I suppose he might keep us up but I've had enough of dour Scots and their dour brand of football. I also don't think his rather attritional approach would suit our current squad. Foreign coaches tend to be much better at tactics and I'd rather we looked abroad. I'm also struggling to understand why anyone would vote for someone like Dyche. Whilst he seems a great bloke but his only experience of the PL was getting relegated. We may as well hire McLeish again.
The Watford manager looks like he could turn out to be another.
Interesting thing is that track records in other leagues don't really seem to matter all that much - Pochettino had just left Espanyol in the relegation zone when he was hired, Koeman had done decently at Feyenoord but before that had nearly gotten a club as big as Valencia relegated, Quique Flores until his hire by Watford had been spending his time in the Middle East. It seems to be about how the qualities of the manager fit with the general composition of the squad, and the setup at the club generally.
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Yeah, not to mention that (and working solely of memory here so will probably be wrong) a lot of his bigger purchases at everton were relative failures.
Mixed bag.
Fellanni was a massive success and sold at big profit
Biliyabollocov was largely average
Yakubu was Yakubu - bullied rubbish teams for a year and half before getting bored.
Jagielka and Baines have been big successes and they made a big profit (god knows how) on Andy Johnson
Yeah I just had a look at a list of his signings. You can throw james beattie and heitinga into the mix too. There's no denying his ability to spot a bargain, but when you get above the 5 / 6 million figure, it certainly isn't an unqualified success.
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Yeah, not to mention that (and working solely of memory here so will probably be wrong) a lot of his bigger purchases at everton were relative failures.
Mixed bag.
Fellanni was a massive success and sold at big profit
Biliyabollocov was largely average
Yakubu was Yakubu - bullied rubbish teams for a year and half before getting bored.
Jagielka and Baines have been big successes and they made a big profit (god knows how) on Andy Johnson
Yeah I just had a look at a list of his signings. You can throw james beattie and heitinga into the mix too. There's no denying his ability to spot a bargain, but when you get above the 5 / 6 million figure, it certainly isn't an unqualified success.
Sort of the opposite of Lambert, then.
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No PL experience does not necessarily mean a manager can't succeed. While there have been plenty of foreign failures there have been some who did well, even at mid-level clubs. Pochettino and Koeman for example, Laudrup for a while, and Bilic seems to be doing quite well so far. The thought of Moyes as manager really does not appeal. I suppose he might keep us up but I've had enough of dour Scots and their dour brand of football. I also don't think his rather attritional approach would suit our current squad. Foreign coaches tend to be much better at tactics and I'd rather we looked abroad. I'm also struggling to understand why anyone would vote for someone like Dyche. Whilst he seems a great bloke but his only experience of the PL was getting relegated. We may as well hire McLeish again.
The Watford manager looks like he could turn out to be another.
Interesting thing is that track records in other leagues don't really seem to matter all that much - Pochettino had just left Espanyol in the relegation zone when he was hired, Koeman had done decently at Feyenoord but before that had nearly gotten a club as big as Valencia relegated, Quique Flores until his hire by Watford had been spending his time in the Middle East. It seems to be about how the qualities of the manager fit with the general composition of the squad, and the setup at the club generally.
And that is why it shouldn't be Moyes, or any other "traditional" British manager.
Apart from managers like Moanrinho, Ancelotti, Benitez, who flit from one financially dominant club to the next very few managers actually manager to transfer obvious success from one job to the next.
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Yeah, not to mention that (and working solely of memory here so will probably be wrong) a lot of his bigger purchases at everton were relative failures.
Mixed bag.
Fellanni was a massive success and sold at big profit
Biliyabollocov was largely average
Yakubu was Yakubu - bullied rubbish teams for a year and half before getting bored.
Jagielka and Baines have been big successes and they made a big profit (god knows how) on Andy Johnson
Yeah I just had a look at a list of his signings. You can throw james beattie and heitinga into the mix too. There's no denying his ability to spot a bargain, but when you get above the 5 / 6 million figure, it certainly isn't an unqualified success.
Beattie was shite. Heitinga was decent. Van Der Meyde was another shocker
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Look at it this way. If Sherwood with way less games to go, in a far more desperate situation can rescue this club with next to no experience as a manager, then I have no doubt Remi Garde can. And I would rather take the upside of Remi Garde and his brand of football and management than Moyes.
Indeed and I think knowledge of the French league, given where we've signed a lot of our players from, makes it a potentially smart appointment.
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Look at it this way. If Sherwood with way less games to go, in a far more desperate situation can rescue this club with next to no experience as a manager, then I have no doubt Remi Garde can. And I would rather take the upside of Remi Garde and his brand of football and management than Moyes.
Indeed and I think knowledge of the French league, given where we've signed a lot of our players from, makes it a potentially smart appointment.
Makes it seem like this move has been under consideration for quite some time to me. Which I think is a good thing.
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I just cant see a better manager on the list than Moyes. Did fantastic at Preston and over 11 year period kept Everton very competitive with a moderate budget. He was bound to of signed some shockers over the period he was in charge but also picked up some very useful players.
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Look at it this way. If Sherwood with way less games to go, in a far more desperate situation can rescue this club with next to no experience as a manager, then I have no doubt Remi Garde can. And I would rather take the upside of Remi Garde and his brand of football and management than Moyes.
Indeed and I think knowledge of the French league, given where we've signed a lot of our players from, makes it a potentially smart appointment.
Makes it seem like this move has been under consideration for quite some time to me. Which I think is a good thing.
Yep there appears to be logic to it. Also Garde wasn't much of a footballer, which normally makes a better manager.
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I just cant see a better manager on the list than Moyes. Did fantastic at Preston and over 11 year period kept Everton very competitive with a moderate budget. He was bound to of signed some shockers over the period he was in charge but also picked up some very useful players.
but do you think a manager who has signed Fellaini twice and signed Tim Cahill is going to be happy with Gil and Grealish as his attacking central midfield options?
This is the crux, we need a manager who is suited to working with the squad we have, blundering through until January when we can let a manager put his mark on the squad isn't really an option, we need to perform well and pick up a decent number of points in the next 2 months.
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If it does turn out to be Garde I will wonder if this was the plan all along. Maybe we wanted him in Jan but he wouldn't come when we were past the transfer window and had less than half the season left, so we went for Sherwood to get the new manager bounce but always had it in mind to go back to Garde if we didn't start this season well. I know it's a stretch to think the club are that clever but you never know.
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Look at it this way. If Sherwood with way less games to go, in a far more desperate situation can rescue this club with next to no experience as a manager, then I have no doubt Remi Garde can. And I would rather take the upside of Remi Garde and his brand of football and management than Moyes.
Indeed and I think knowledge of the French league, given where we've signed a lot of our players from, makes it a potentially smart appointment.
Makes it seem like this move has been under consideration for quite some time to me. Which I think is a good thing.
I was thinking about that last night. Why would the club give Sherwood a four deal and then if true not give him full control over transfers? Why would the club make him manager and then say to him we aren't going to agree to your choice of English guff players and we are going in this completely different direction instead?
The pay off is apparently £2m which in the grand scheme of things in the PL is nothing at all. You can't even buy an Andi Weimann for that and also suggests it isn't the full amount of the remaining three plus years. There must have been some kind of clause in there to cut short the marriage. So I was thinking about what transpired. I imagine that they brought him in because they needed a spark. A gamble yes, but he gave them what they needed at the time which was the very opposite of Lambert. And he might have been the only available manager to give them that. We get over the line and now the board are thinking they will see how it all plays out but just so we're not stuck with the types of transfers that got us into the mess in the first place they deny him the ability to sign everyone he wants. That starts the rift. That rift grows and widens and Sherwood, completely unable to manage through it without throwing grenades starts to fall apart. The board as they should start planning ahead and have their target in place. They give him a leaked deadline to fix it knowing full well he won't and fire him as planned after Swansea. All of a sudden a football manager emerges from out of nowhere that mysteriously embodies, or at least it would appear the direction the club took in the summer. Not Moyes, not Rodgers or Pearson. But a French bloke with the right attributes on his resume, a strong Arsenal link, and an apparent ability to work with young players on a tight budget. It seems all too convenient and a little far fetched, but there might be something in it.
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Mate in the pub last night said knowing our luck it wont be Remi Garde but Remi Moses instead. I've just googled him and it seems he's quite a good coach.
In 2000,[3] Moses was working buying and selling property in Alkrington, Greater Manchester, and in his spare time, coaching the Manchester Warriors U-20 inline skating side, which had just won the GB Inline Hockey League and 'every other trophy going'.
Given that record he's got every chance of being offered the job.
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I just cant see a better manager on the list than Moyes. Did fantastic at Preston and over 11 year period kept Everton very competitive with a moderate budget. He was bound to of signed some shockers over the period he was in charge but also picked up some very useful players.
but do you think a manager who has signed Fellaini twice and signed Tim Cahill is going to be happy with Gil and Grealish as his attacking central midfield options?
This is the crux, we need a manager who is suited to working with the squad we have, blundering through until January when we can let a manager put his mark on the squad isn't really an option, we need to perform well and pick up a decent number of points in the next 2 months.
To be fair, he signed Juan Mata as well. Okay, he didn't use him all that well, but I don't think you can infer anything based off who he's signed - it speaks more about available resources than anything.
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If it does turn out to be Garde I will wonder if this was the plan all along. Maybe we wanted him in Jan but he wouldn't come when we were past the transfer window and had less than half the season left, so we went for Sherwood to get the new manager bounce but always had it in mind to go back to Garde if we didn't start this season well. I know it's a stretch to think the club are that clever but you never know.
I'd be utterly shocked if that were the case. That means our senior management had a plan, foresight beyond many and an ability to execute it.
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Tim's compo will reduce if he gets a job before this time next year apparently, so let's hope he goes to Swindon pronto
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Look at it this way. If Sherwood with way less games to go, in a far more desperate situation can rescue this club with next to no experience as a manager, then I have no doubt Remi Garde can. And I would rather take the upside of Remi Garde and his brand of football and management than Moyes.
Indeed and I think knowledge of the French league, given where we've signed a lot of our players from, makes it a potentially smart appointment.
Makes it seem like this move has been under consideration for quite some time to me. Which I think is a good thing.
I was thinking about that last night. Why would the club give Sherwood a four deal and then if true not give him full control over transfers? Why would the club make him manager and then say to him we aren't going to agree to your choice of English guff players and we are going in this completely different direction instead?
The pay off is apparently £2m which in the grand scheme of things in the PL is nothing at all. You can't even buy an Andi Weimann for that and also suggests it isn't the full amount of the remaining three plus years. There must have been some kind of clause in there to cut short the marriage. So I was thinking about what transpired. I imagine that they brought him in because they needed a spark. A gamble yes, but he gave them what they needed at the time which was the very opposite of Lambert. And he might have been the only available manager to give them that. We get over the line and now the board are thinking they will see how it all plays out but just so we're not stuck with the types of transfers that got us into the mess in the first place they deny him the ability to sign everyone he wants. That starts the rift. That rift grows and widens and Sherwood, completely unable to manage through it without throwing grenades starts to fall apart. The board as they should start planning ahead and have their target in place. They give him a leaked deadline to fix it knowing full well he won't and fire him as planned after Swansea. All of a sudden a football manager emerges from out of nowhere that mysteriously embodies, or at least it would appear the direction the club took in the summer. Not Moyes, not Rodgers or Pearson. But a French bloke with the right attributes on his resume, a strong Arsenal link, and an apparent ability to work with young players on a tight budget. It seems all too convenient and a little far fetched, but there might be something in it.
Well argued Toronto.
I still want stability that I believe Moyes would bring, and his appointment (to me) would also say "were not fucking about!"
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I just cant see a better manager on the list than Moyes. Did fantastic at Preston and over 11 year period kept Everton very competitive with a moderate budget. He was bound to of signed some shockers over the period he was in charge but also picked up some very useful players.
but do you think a manager who has signed Fellaini twice and signed Tim Cahill is going to be happy with Gil and Grealish as his attacking central midfield options?
This is the crux, we need a manager who is suited to working with the squad we have, blundering through until January when we can let a manager put his mark on the squad isn't really an option, we need to perform well and pick up a decent number of points in the next 2 months.
I can only argue the case for the managers I know about, my footballing knowledge may not be as great as all those who are hoping for Garde, If he is the chosen one I will back him 100% as I did with Sherwood.
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Having just heard Dwight Yorke on Talkshite, I'm convinced he's the man for us. As he said, he'd be ideal after having spent 10 years at the club, having a great relationship with the fans, got his coaching badges and been a pundit on loads of games on Sky over the years. And he's not one of these managers who don't do anything but keep on getting jobs (take that, Allardyce!). Yep he's the man for me alright!
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Stop begging for a job Dwight. It's embarrassing.
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Having just heard Dwight Yorke on Talkshite, I'm convinced he's the man for us. As he said, he'd be ideal after having spent 10 years at the club, having a great relationship with the fans, got his coaching badges and been a pundit on loads of games on Sky over the years. And he's not one of these managers who don't do anything but keep on getting jobs (take that, Allardyce!). Yep he's the man for me alright!
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Stop begging for a job Dwight. It's embarrassing.
Roast pork endeared himself to the Holte when the twat signed for small heath and said small heath were a bigger club than Aston Villa, Dwight old son no thank you.
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The next manager is Tim Sherwood.
Sacking him was just a joke.
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Looks like rodgers is out of the running (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/sherwood-and-rodgers-form-crime-fighting-duo-20151026103262)
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I just cant see a better manager on the list than Moyes. Did fantastic at Preston and over 11 year period kept Everton very competitive with a moderate budget. He was bound to of signed some shockers over the period he was in charge but also picked up some very useful players.
but do you think a manager who has signed Fellaini twice and signed Tim Cahill is going to be happy with Gil and Grealish as his attacking central midfield options?
This is the crux, we need a manager who is suited to working with the squad we have, blundering through until January when we can let a manager put his mark on the squad isn't really an option, we need to perform well and pick up a decent number of points in the next 2 months.
I can only argue the case for the managers I know about, my footballing knowledge may not be as great as all those who are hoping for Garde, If he is the chosen one I will back him 100% as I did with Sherwood.
Dont a lot of managers go back to clubs theyve managed and bring in players? Fellaini may not have done it for manure, but Tim Cahill seemed to have had a good career at Goodison and I thought he was a right pain in the arse when he played against.
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Yeah, not to mention that (and working solely of memory here so will probably be wrong) a lot of his bigger purchases at everton were relative failures.
Mixed bag.
Fellanni was a massive success and sold at big profit
Biliyabollocov was largely average
Yakubu was Yakubu - bullied rubbish teams for a year and half before getting bored.
Jagielka and Baines have been big successes and they made a big profit (god knows how) on Andy Johnson
Yeah I just had a look at a list of his signings. You can throw james beattie and heitinga into the mix too. There's no denying his ability to spot a bargain, but when you get above the 5 / 6 million figure, it certainly isn't an unqualified success.
Beattie was shite. Heitinga was decent. Van Der Meyde was another shocker
Who was that centre half he signed that got destroyed by Milan Baros on Boxing Day? Think he only lasted 6 months.
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Koldrup?
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Having just heard Dwight Yorke on Talkshite, I'm convinced he's the man for us. As he said, he'd be ideal after having spent 10 years at the club, having a great relationship with the fans, got his coaching badges and been a pundit on loads of games on Sky over the years. And he's not one of these managers who don't do anything but keep on getting jobs (take that, Allardyce!). Yep he's the man for me alright!
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Stop begging for a job Dwight. It's embarrassing.
Now where is that gun??
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I just cant see a better manager on the list than Moyes. Did fantastic at Preston and over 11 year period kept Everton very competitive with a moderate budget. He was bound to of signed some shockers over the period he was in charge but also picked up some very useful players.
but do you think a manager who has signed Fellaini twice and signed Tim Cahill is going to be happy with Gil and Grealish as his attacking central midfield options?
This is the crux, we need a manager who is suited to working with the squad we have, blundering through until January when we can let a manager put his mark on the squad isn't really an option, we need to perform well and pick up a decent number of points in the next 2 months.
I can only argue the case for the managers I know about, my footballing knowledge may not be as great as all those who are hoping for Garde, If he is the chosen one I will back him 100% as I did with Sherwood.
Dont a lot of managers go back to clubs theyve managed and bring in players? Fellaini may not have done it for manure, but Tim Cahill seemed to have had a good career at Goodison and I thought he was a right pain in the arse when he played against.
Cahill was bought from Millwall after Gregory tried to sign him
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The foreign vs not-foreign argument distilled nicely:
Harry Redknapp has perfected his ‘white noise for hire’ schtick – getting paid twice for essentially saying the same things to the Evening Standard and the Daily Telegraph in the last few days – namely that British bosses do not get a chance in English football. Boo-hoo.
‘Another week in the Premier League, another managerial casualty and further proof of how hard it has become for British coaches to get a top job in England,’ begins his column.
We will stop you there (for the first of many times): Tim Sherwood’s sacking is proof only that Tim Sherwood was sh*t at his job. Carry on…
‘Tim is someone I have a lot of time for. He is enthusiastic and has strong opinions.’
Which of course is exactly what you need to thrive as a Premier League manager; a keen and arsey Mediawatch expects to get a call about the Villa job this week.
‘For the vast majority of British managers, the only way to manage at a Premier League club is to get promoted and, even then, it is very difficult to progress further.’
Delicious lack of irony there while talking about the sacking of a manager who somehow got two Premier League jobs with no previous managerial experience. As pointed out before by Mediawatch, Steve McClaren and Garry Monk also have Premier League jobs without ever being promoted into the Premier League.
‘There are only seven clubs that at the start of the season you would say were stabilised in the league and not at threat of relegation: Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City, Liverpool, Everton and Tottenham Hotspur. How many have a British manager? None.’
Which sounds like a very good case for foreign managers to Mediawatch.
‘I would like to see some far more British boys get an opportunity to manage a big club and see what they can do.’
Like David Moyes at Manchester United, Brendan Rodgers at Liverpool and Tim Sherwood at Tottenham? We saw exactly what they could do, Harry.
‘Tony Pulis would never have managed in the Premier League unless he had got promoted with Stoke City.’
He’s absolutely right; Pulis would not have been a Premier League manager unless he was successful as a manager.
‘Rémi Garde is now looking massive favourite for the Aston Villa job but, with the greatest respect, why? What’s he done?’
Won the French cup, reached the last 16 of the Champions League and the quarter-finals of the Europa League. You’re welcome.
‘How often do British managers get an opportunity to manage in Italy, Germany or France?’
How often do British managers learn another language and apply for jobs in other countries?
‘All the other clubs, on a bad season, can drop into it as we have seen this season at Villa, Sunderland and Newcastle. As a manager that obviously puts you at risk.’
Or they can thrive like West Ham (who replaced a British manager with a foreign) and Leicester City (who replaced a British manager with a foreign).
‘Not many British managers have had a chance at those top seven clubs but, of those that have, I think we have more than held our own. Sir Alex Ferguson is obviously a one-off but look also at the job Moyes did at Everton.’
And definitely don’t look at the job Moyes did at Manchester United.
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I wonder if Yorke really fancies himself as the manager or just the idea of the 2million pay off ... Delusional
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I just cant see a better manager on the list than Moyes. Did fantastic at Preston and over 11 year period kept Everton very competitive with a moderate budget. He was bound to of signed some shockers over the period he was in charge but also picked up some very useful players.
but do you think a manager who has signed Fellaini twice and signed Tim Cahill is going to be happy with Gil and Grealish as his attacking central midfield options?
This is the crux, we need a manager who is suited to working with the squad we have, blundering through until January when we can let a manager put his mark on the squad isn't really an option, we need to perform well and pick up a decent number of points in the next 2 months.
To be fair, he signed Juan Mata as well. Okay, he didn't use him all that well, but I don't think you can infer anything based off who he's signed - it speaks more about available resources than anything.
Actually Mata perfectly explains the point, he signed an attacking central midfielder who had been superb playing in the hole and then played him as a right winger. In the centre of midfield, first and foremost, he wants players who compete in the air. The only one of those we have is Sanchez.
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How often do British managers learn another language and apply for jobs in other countries?
How true is that statement? The great majority of the "foreign" managers have such good command of the English language that it helps them succeed, but ultimately those that do are good managers in the first place.
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but do you think a manager who has signed Fellaini twice and signed Tim Cahill is going to be happy with Gil and Grealish as his attacking central midfield options?
Fellaini and Cahill seem to me to both be 'winners' as in strong personalities/driven individuals/people who do not go hiding.
Gill and Grealish, bless, may never be that.
Point I'm trying to make is Moyes doesn't sign based on height alone.
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I was thinking that this morning. An out of work British manager is far more likely to work on his golf handicap than take time to learn a language.
Why bother though? These pesky foreigners should all speak English anyway and everybody understands the universal language of SHOUTING.
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Were we not in such a porous position, I would laud the foresight of Garde, but here we are bottom of the league with moral at rock bottom and in dire need of an injection of grit and determination to try and arrest the slide. Surely this is not the time to start an experiment? We need someone who knows how the premier league works, knows how to organize a team to be difficult to beat and is able to deal with the pressures of being the manager of a club that the neutral fan would love to see drop out…. For me that simply has to be Moyes.
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Moyes would be the ideal choice. He'd stabilise us, make us a lot more solid and he's got the experience to go with it. The idea of a foreign coach is intriguing as well though. Southampton and Swansea have benefited from it. If it is Garde, it's an interesting and brave choice.
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I think Sherwood had grit and determination. So could any bloke out of the stand.
People talk as if the Premier League is some weird, obscure league that only locals could possibly understand.
I bet Garde knows as much about our players as Moyes does!
Also, Moyes doesn't do wingers. So that's about six players we're getting no use out of before he starts.
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How often do British managers learn another language and apply for jobs in other countries?
How true is that statement? The great majority of the "foreign" managers have such good command of the English language that it helps them succeed, but ultimately those that do are good managers in the first place.
Which is why I have a fair bit of respect for Steve Mclaren. He gets the piss ripped out of him, but he learnt a language and did well in Holland. Takes a lot of balls to go and do that.
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I wouldn't call what McLaren did "learning a language".
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I think Sherwood had grit and determination. So could any bloke out of the stand.
People talk as if the Premier League is some weird, obscure league that only locals could possibly understand.
I bet Garde knows as much about our players as Moyes does!
Also, Moyes doesn't do wingers. So that's about six players we're getting no use out of before he starts.
That's one thing that did cross my mind last night. Can you imagine Grealish in a David Moyes team?
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Why would most British managers bother to learn a language and venture abroad, having to eat foreign muck, drive on the funny side of the road, and be exposed as tactical dinosaurs, when they see that even managers who serve up dire football that takes teams down or threatens to, get offered multi-million pound contracts in dear old blighty. And after failing miserably they can then rock up as a pundit on SKy or BT telling talking a game they couldn't deliver themselves in a million years and telling every other manager where they are going wrong. It's money for old rope.
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"Sky Sources: Gus Poyet on shortlist for vacant Aston Villa manager job"
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I think Sherwood had grit and determination. So could any bloke out of the stand.
People talk as if the Premier League is some weird, obscure league that only locals could possibly understand.
I bet Garde knows as much about our players as Moyes does!
Also, Moyes doesn't do wingers. So that's about six players we're getting no use out of before he starts.
That's one thing that did cross my mind last night. Can you imagine Grealish in a David Moyes team?
No quite simply. Trouble is Grealish needs to "fit" himself into a slightly more conventional position without the ball or he will be carried a lot.
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How often do British managers learn another language and apply for jobs in other countries?
How true is that statement? The great majority of the "foreign" managers have such good command of the English language that it helps them succeed, but ultimately those that do are good managers in the first place.
Bumpf - the KO blow.
Oh and Roy Hodgson got lots of chances to manage in foreign countries. I am sure it helped no end that he is fluent in 5 languages.
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Duverne is at Montpellier I think.
back to Moyes for a moment, S_H your solution to different to the last 6 years (4 years of which we were managed by a dour scotsmen playing largely 'functional' football) is to go for a dour scotsman who plays functional football? Do you not think through what you're typing? What you're actually bursting to say is that you want Lerner to spend fuckloads of money and you think Moyes is more likely to demand that than Garde, just be honest.
I don't know what Moyes nationality has got to do with anything.
Moyes will stan up to Lerner and Fox which is what we need. Irrespective of that he knows the PL inside out and that's what we need to stay in this league, not some gamble on an out of work bloke who's never worked as a manager outside of France.
The same way he stood up to Kenwright and demanded to spend shedloads of cash. Koeman had never worked in the premier league neither had Pochettino who had only worked in Spain and only had a win ratio of 34% at Espanyol.
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I like the idea of Garde for no other reason than its a bit different,
I really know nothing about him only what had been said now he's linked, and I wasn't a massive Moyes fan even when he was at Everton, the Everton fans wern't crying many tears when he left, but obviously we are in a desperate situation now,
its got a bit of the Gunnar Solskjaer about it, which many of us got excited about including me,
I don't believe Moyes is a cast iron success as he's failed at his last two posts, but he maybe safer hands than Garde as he must be a bigger risk
but the very phrase of 'safer hands' has always put me off anything
I'm a gambler by nature, so it would be Garde for me
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Not sure what to think about Moyes. I'm not even sure he's available and given the choice I pretty much bet he'd want to stay in Spain. The only thing that makes him a possibility is the president of Real Sociedad hinted before the their game yesterday that Moyes' job was safe until January, when they'd likely review/sack him. My guess is Moyes knows he's on borrowed time and may, just may see the Villa job as an opportunity to leave Spain with what's left of his reputation still intact.
I wouldn't completely be against the idea of him rolling up at Villa Park if he'd be willing to accept a seven month contract.
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Is this a joke?
@SkySportsNewsHQ: Sky Sources: Gus Poyet on shortlist for vacant Aston Villa manager job #SSNHQ
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Were we not in such a porous position, I would laud the foresight of Garde, but here we are bottom of the league with moral at rock bottom and in dire need of an injection of grit and determination to try and arrest the slide. Surely this is not the time to start an experiment? We need someone who knows how the premier league works, knows how to organize a team to be difficult to beat and is able to deal with the pressures of being the manager of a club that the neutral fan would love to see drop out…. For me that simply has to be Moyes.
do we need girt and determinaton, is it a lack of 'fight and workrate that has caused the problems?
I'm not picking on you in particular, there are loads of comments like this on here, but I hate the constant British 'must work harder' mentality to failure, hard work helps but so does being trained and having the tools to do your job.
but do you think a manager who has signed Fellaini twice and signed Tim Cahill is going to be happy with Gil and Grealish as his attacking central midfield options?
Fellaini and Cahill seem to me to both be 'winners' as in strong personalities/driven individuals/people who do not go hiding.
Gill and Grealish, bless, may never be that.
Point I'm trying to make is Moyes doesn't sign based on height alone.
What makes someone a winner and, bless, makes someone else not one? Is it a willingness to kick other players in the air if they get in your way? Is it a willingness to run your bollocks off in defence? Someone really needs to tell Leo Messi to up his game so he becomes a winner.
Sarcasm aside the point I'm getting at is that 'being a winner' is an impossible to quantify attribute that too many people confuse with workrate and determination. Knowing what your role in the team is and how to best perform that role is the most important thing and nothing from what we've seen of Gil or Grealish suggests they are incapable of doing both of those things.
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Having just heard Dwight Yorke on Talkshite, I'm convinced he's the man for us. As he said, he'd be ideal after having spent 10 years at the club, having a great relationship with the fans, got his coaching badges and been a pundit on loads of games on Sky over the years. And he's not one of these managers who don't do anything but keep on getting jobs (take that, Allardyce!). Yep he's the man for me alright!
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Stop begging for a job Dwight. It's embarrassing.
I've been going down Villa Park for nearly 50 years, I get on great with most of the fans who sit by me, I have got my level 2 coaching badge and I talk a great game in the pub. Yep, I'm a villa man through and through, I am definitely the man for the job!!!
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"Sky Sources: Gus Poyet on shortlist for vacant Aston Villa manager job"
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I would jump off Tokyo tower.
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Let's be honest. Whomever takes over a) has a huge challenge on their hands this year (which I personally think ANYONE will lose..) and b) needs to be in it for the long haul.
We also want somebody with an ounce of previous in terms of managing a top flight club that hasn't ended in disaster.
I've just seen "Poyet" thrown into the ring.....basically only because he'll be cheap as he's a free agent!
Lerner, above all else, is a business man, and a fairly successful one by all accounts. Do we honestly believe that he would jeopardise the chance to sell the club for any sort of profit, or indeed the chance to get his hands on that TV money next year, by signing off on an appointment of another journeyman or novice? Surely he's not that stupid! The argument could be made that he did last year.......and I couldn't argue against that.
This year, there are a few outstanding candidates who are free agents. Would Rodgers want the job? Perhaps not...but he would be the club's first choice due to the combination of free agent and his pedigree of playing possession football. Moyes is on the list purely due to poor Soceidad form (until the weekend that is!) and his previous with Everton. Outside of them though...who else, that is available, has done anything of note?
Pearson would be a PR nightmare, and I'm not convinced he'd deliver anything over and above Sherwood's tenure. Garde, Poyet, Dyche, etc....nope!
For me, the only 3 realistic choices are, Rodgers, Moyes and Laudrup. I'd probably lean towards Moyes as a leading candidate if we could get him....;but Villa won't due to cost.
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Is this a joke?
@SkySportsNewsHQ: Sky Sources: Gus Poyet on shortlist for vacant Aston Villa manager job #SSNHQ
Someone evidently just left a turd in the away dressing room at VP. Only conclusive evidence there is.
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Gus fucking Poyet!!!
Christ on a bike...
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Is this a joke?
@SkySportsNewsHQ: Sky Sources: Gus Poyet on shortlist for vacant Aston Villa manager job #SSNHQ
Failed at Brighton, then at Sunderland. Oh yes let's get him in. FFS
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Is this a joke?
@SkySportsNewsHQ: Sky Sources: Gus Poyet on shortlist for vacant Aston Villa manager job #SSNHQ
Failed at Brighton, then at Sunderland. Oh yes let's get him in. FFS
Just because SSN says he's on the shortlist, it doesn't mean he actually is.
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I just came in and put the telly on and saw that yellow strap on SSN claiming Poyet on the shortlist. I'm still sitting here shaking my head. If this is true, and my hope is that as an out of work manager he's expressed his interest in the job and Sky are just running with it. I can't believe that we would be so stupid as to go down that line. I'm genuinely scared for this club if this is the truth. Shortlist doesn't necessarily mean the job is his, please no.
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Is this a joke?
@SkySportsNewsHQ: Sky Sources: Gus Poyet on shortlist for vacant Aston Villa manager job #SSNHQ
Failed at Brighton, then at Sunderland. Oh yes let's get him in. FFS
Just because SSN says he's on the shortlist, it doesn't mean he actually is.
correct. Before anyone jumps of the bridge please cast an eye back to the summer when none of the muppets we were linked with in the transfer window joined the club. And instead we signed players that were the very opposite of the types of players we were linked with. Also, from a media standpoint it's totally within reason for them to throw any old bollocks name at the job. It's their job to keep the audience engaged even if it is utter nonsense.
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Is this a joke?
@SkySportsNewsHQ: Sky Sources: Gus Poyet on shortlist for vacant Aston Villa manager job #SSNHQ
Failed at Brighton, then at Sunderland. Oh yes let's get him in. FFS
Just because SSN says he's on the shortlist, it doesn't mean he actually is.
I'm sure we said that about McLeish once upon a while.
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I'm not picking on you in particular, there are loads of comments like this on here, but I hate the constant British 'must work harder' mentality to failure, hard work helps but so does being trained and having the tools to do your job.
We are in grave danger of losing our Premier League status - its about staying up right now, not trying another experiment. We tried an experiment with Venglos and it nearly got us relegated, we did the same with Timmy and look where we are now. Call me risk averse, but trying stuff out variably seems to disaster for us. Its no coincidence that Sunderland have gone for Allardyce.
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Poyet for fuck's sake.
Hopefully just this agent talking shite
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I have just shown Lady Ron a picture of Remé Garde. She suddenly showed an interest in football I have never experienced before. Apparently he is quite acceptable
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Hmmmm! I think we ought to go for Nige!
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Is this a joke?
@SkySportsNewsHQ: Sky Sources: Gus Poyet on shortlist for vacant Aston Villa manager job #SSNHQ
Failed at Brighton, then at Sunderland. Oh yes let's get him in. FFS
Just because SSN says he's on the shortlist, it doesn't mean he actually is.
I'm sure we said that about McLeish once upon a while.
That's what make me nervous but IIRC Faulkner was making a right hash of recruitment so Randy just said we'll get McLeish.
AND THEY DID!!!!
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why are people falling for the Poyet thing? Does anyone remember who the Sunderland manager was as countless thousands streamed out of the ground as Gabby walked through their defence and made it 3-0? And he sat in his chair looking like a fucking chump
(http://talksport.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/field/image/201503/guspoyet.jpg?itok=teAx-GpQ)
And we are about to give this bloke a job? Get real.
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Is this a joke?
@SkySportsNewsHQ: Sky Sources: Gus Poyet on shortlist for vacant Aston Villa manager job #SSNHQ
Failed at Brighton, then at Sunderland. Oh yes let's get him in. FFS
Just because SSN says he's on the shortlist, it doesn't mean he actually is.
correct. Before anyone jumps of the bridge please cast an eye back to the summer when none of the muppets we were linked with in the transfer window joined the club. And instead we signed players that were the very opposite of the types of players we were linked with. Also, from a media standpoint it's totally within reason for them to throw any old bollocks name at the job. It's their job to keep the audience engaged even if it is utter nonsense.
Indeed. Robbie Nielson and Steve Holland are both 20/1 on Sky Bet. I've never heard of either of them.
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I wouldn't necessarily judge Poyet on his record at Sunderland - I heard Barry Glendenning describe them as having an 'arsehole dressing-room' once, and that's the main problem.
Not that I'm advocating Poyet, just suggesting there might be mitigating circumstances to account for his time there.
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Is this a joke?
@SkySportsNewsHQ: Sky Sources: Gus Poyet on shortlist for vacant Aston Villa manager job #SSNHQ
Failed at Brighton, then at Sunderland. Oh yes let's get him in. FFS
Just because SSN says he's on the shortlist, it doesn't mean he actually is.
I'm sure we said that about McLeish once upon a while.
That's the thing with the Alex McLeish appointment it can always be used like the
' in America' statement so that the totally unbelievable becomes believable when used
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I have just shown Lady Ron a picture of Remé Garde. She suddenly showed an interest in football I have never experienced before. Apparently he is quite acceptable
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Hmmmm! I think we ought to go for Nige!
Mrs Glasses agrees. The addition of french accent increases acceptability in her eyes.
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If Poyet is on the list then I should be in with a shout of the position, My Saturday team won 6 nil FFS
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If Poyet is on the list then I should be in with a shout of the position, My Saturday team won 6 nil FFS
I've also managed Southampton to the premier league title in Football Manager...it's only fair I'm "given a chance" at a top job :)
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Oddschecker has it as follows:
Garde 4/5
Moyes 7/1
Poyet 10/1
Rodgers 12/1
Pearson14/1
Advocaat 20/1
Yakin 20/1
Nielson 20/1
Holland 20/1
Bob Bradley (does he get linked to any other jobs ?) 25/1
Hughton 25/1
Curbs 40/1
Deano 40/1
Steve Stone (!) 40/1
TSM 50/1
McClaran 66/1
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I wouldn't necessarily judge Poyet on his record at Sunderland - I heard Barry Glendenning describe them as having an 'arsehole dressing-room' once, and that's the main problem.
Not that I'm advocating Poyet, just suggesting there might be mitigating circumstances to account for his time there.
Has to be Cattermole?
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Poyet I don't fucking think so.
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Thanks for the odds checker, having seen these things over the years, more times than not the odds on shot dont get the job. i say this just in my experience.
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I can't see Moyes taking it though Tony, so who else would you want?
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why are people falling for the Poyet thing? Does anyone remember who the Sunderland manager was as countless thousands streamed out of the ground as Gabby walked through their defence and made it 3-0? And he sat in his chair looking like a fucking chump
(http://talksport.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/field/image/201503/guspoyet.jpg?itok=teAx-GpQ)
And we are about to give this bloke a job? Get real.
Stranger things have happened. We did give McLeish the job!!
😤
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Right so Dwight Yorke thinks he is the man for the job :/ wow.
However he was live on talksport and made some great comments on the radio about how the club is deteriorating at pace.
What are peoples thoughts on this? Personally if it was an ex player it would have to be Laursen and he would prob start as a coach.
Also I read online about how Sherwood was blaming Paddy Reilly and he wasnt allowed to pick his team?
Can anyone tell me who is picking the team and what Paddy Reillys job is?
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If Poyet is on the list then I should be in with a shout of the position, My Saturday team won 6 nil FFS
I've also managed Southampton to the premier league title in Football Manager...it's only fair I'm "given a chance" at a top job :)
Good i was looking for an assistant !
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Love how curbs is linked with every job. Poyet hope not
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Thanks for the odds checker, having seen these things over the years, more times than not the odds on shot dont get the job. i say this just in my experience.
True. Remember Solskjær?
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I wouldn't call what McLaren did "learning a language".
Oh yesh.
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I haven't stopped tittering about it since I read it, and as it generally goes in these situations we've gone from the sublime to the ridiculous.
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I'd sooner have the Grand Old Duke of York.Though he might have trouble trimming his 10000 men down to a 25 man squad
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Roast Pork, get your dress back on , with Boz
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I wouldn't call what McLaren did "learning a language".
Oh yesh.
It would get him a part in allo allo though.
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Poyet on the list? Yeah maybe, with a big fuck off line through his name!
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I can't see Moyes taking it though Tony, so who else would you want?
well ok, No Moyes, I do listen to a lot of the posters on here and Garde is popular, although until today i knew nout about him, I will watch tentatively but , just that the board have got it so wrong the last three times.
But we will support whoever is given the job, maybe fourth time lucky.
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Thanks for the odds checker, having seen these things over the years, more times than not the odds on shot dont get the job. i say this just in my experience.
True. Remember Solskjær?
And didnt the bookies refuse to take any more money on Moyes a few years ago. Before Houllier was appointed I think. Hard to keep track of all the managers. Did Vic Crowe and Saunders see us all the way through the 70s? We are no heading fro our 6th manager for this decade!
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I've just put my house and life savings on Yorkie getting the job.
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Has Gazza put himself forward yet?
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If Yorke got the job then we en masse should have to walk to St James's Park and apologise to the Geordie Nation for taking the piss out of them when they hired Shearer..
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With Jordan as his Number 2
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I've just put my house and life savings on Yorkie getting the job.
You can get cardboard to sleep on at most supermarkets
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plus an abundance of nearly fresh food in big bins round the back
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Only if he gets there before me
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I was here first
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I'm the new Aston Villa manager and so is my wife.
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I'm the new Aston Villa manager and so is my wife.
alright Big nose
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I'd sooner have the Grand Old Duke of York.Though he might have trouble trimming his 10000 men down to a 25 man squad
"He marched them up to nineteenth place,
And he marched them down again."
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With Jordan as his Number 2
I bet I'm not the only one who is very politically incorrect in thinking who he would have as his chief talent scout. Or make inappropriate comments like his son could spot more than the current lot we have.
We will all probably burn in hell. And find that much more enjoyable than what we are currently experiencing.
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PC brigade to the manager thread.....
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SSN just saying they've spoken to a "Senior source at Aston Villa" in the last 10 minutes.
This source said a number of quality managers had contacted the club regarding the job and that process was now underway.
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SSN just saying they've spoken to a "Senior source at Aston Villa" in the last 10 minutes.
This source said a number of quality managers had contacted the club regarding the job and that process was now underway.
Blimey, breaking news indeed.
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In other news - Elvis is dead
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I think this is all distraction and guff before the inevitable appointment of Garde.
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SSN just saying they've spoken to a "Senior source at Aston Villa" in the last 10 minutes.
This source said a number of quality managers had contacted the club regarding the job and that process was now underway.
In other news eating lots of bacon might be bad for you.
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SSN just saying they've spoken to a "Senior source at Aston Villa" in the last 10 minutes.
This source said a number of quality managers had contacted the club regarding the job and that process was now underway.
Fantastic. Club without Manager looking to recruit manager.
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oil $49 a barrel
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Elvis isn't dead, I've just seen him in the chip shop
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The best bit was that "the Club are looking to appoint a permanent manager".
That was good to know.
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Elvis isn't dead, I've just seen him in the chip shop
The bloke that works there?
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Right so Dwight Yorke thinks he is the man for the job :/ wow.
Yes quite and I am waiting for Mark Tosspot Bosnich to throw his hat in the ring.
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Right so Dwight Yorke thinks he is the man for the job :/ wow.
Yes quite and I am waiting for Mark Tosspot Bosnich to throw his hat in the ring.
Huh, more appli-****** than applicant. Same for Gus.
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If Poyet is on the list then I should be in with a shout of the position, My Saturday team won 6 nil FFS
I've also managed Southampton to the premier league title in Football Manager...it's only fair I'm "given a chance" at a top job :)
Well I was head hunted by Real Madrid and I've won La Liga six seasons in a row (2021 - 2026) after having taken Villa to two Premier titles and a Champions League victory. I think I'm a better candidate personally.
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Right so Dwight Yorke thinks he is the man for the job :/ wow.
Yes quite and I am waiting for Mark Tosspot Bosnich to throw his hat in the ring.
He was interviewed on Talkshite this morning and made no reference to applying but he did laugh when Yorkie was mentioned.
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If Poyet is on the list then I should be in with a shout of the position, My Saturday team won 6 nil FFS
I've also managed Southampton to the premier league title in Football Manager...it's only fair I'm "given a chance" at a top job :)
Well I was head hunted by Real Madrid and I've won La Liga six seasons in a row (2021 - 2026) after having taken Villa to two Premier titles and a Champions League victory. I think I'm a better candidate personally.
you can apply in 2027 then, we've got another 12 - 15 managers to get through before then
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Some French bit of fluff, Jocelyn Gourvennec, has been added to the list of potential managers. 4th favourite with the bookies and her record in France is pretty impressive with little Guingamp.
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The scorer of the greatest goal in the history of world football usually expresses an interest
in this vacant position. Doesnt look as if he is bothering this time.
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The foreign vs not-foreign argument distilled nicely:
Harry Redknapp has perfected his ‘white noise for hire’ schtick – getting paid twice for essentially saying the same things to the Evening Standard and the Daily Telegraph in the last few days – namely that British bosses do not get a chance in English football. Boo-hoo.
‘Another week in the Premier League, another managerial casualty and further proof of how hard it has become for British coaches to get a top job in England,’ begins his column.
We will stop you there (for the first of many times): Tim Sherwood’s sacking is proof only that Tim Sherwood was sh*t at his job. Carry on…
‘Tim is someone I have a lot of time for. He is enthusiastic and has strong opinions.’
Which of course is exactly what you need to thrive as a Premier League manager; a keen and arsey Mediawatch expects to get a call about the Villa job this week.
‘For the vast majority of British managers, the only way to manage at a Premier League club is to get promoted and, even then, it is very difficult to progress further.’
Delicious lack of irony there while talking about the sacking of a manager who somehow got two Premier League jobs with no previous managerial experience. As pointed out before by Mediawatch, Steve McClaren and Garry Monk also have Premier League jobs without ever being promoted into the Premier League.
‘There are only seven clubs that at the start of the season you would say were stabilised in the league and not at threat of relegation: Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City, Liverpool, Everton and Tottenham Hotspur. How many have a British manager? None.’
Which sounds like a very good case for foreign managers to Mediawatch.
‘I would like to see some far more British boys get an opportunity to manage a big club and see what they can do.’
Like David Moyes at Manchester United, Brendan Rodgers at Liverpool and Tim Sherwood at Tottenham? We saw exactly what they could do, Harry.
‘Tony Pulis would never have managed in the Premier League unless he had got promoted with Stoke City.’
He’s absolutely right; Pulis would not have been a Premier League manager unless he was successful as a manager.
‘Rémi Garde is now looking massive favourite for the Aston Villa job but, with the greatest respect, why? What’s he done?’
Won the French cup, reached the last 16 of the Champions League and the quarter-finals of the Europa League. You’re welcome.
‘How often do British managers get an opportunity to manage in Italy, Germany or France?’
How often do British managers learn another language and apply for jobs in other countries?
‘All the other clubs, on a bad season, can drop into it as we have seen this season at Villa, Sunderland and Newcastle. As a manager that obviously puts you at risk.’
Or they can thrive like West Ham (who replaced a British manager with a foreign) and Leicester City (who replaced a British manager with a foreign).
‘Not many British managers have had a chance at those top seven clubs but, of those that have, I think we have more than held our own. Sir Alex Ferguson is obviously a one-off but look also at the job Moyes did at Everton.’
And definitely don’t look at the job Moyes did at Manchester United.
Can't argue with any of that. Nicely written.
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Right so Dwight Yorke thinks he is the man for the job :/ wow.
Yes quite and I am waiting for Mark Tosspot Bosnich to throw his hat in the ring.
He was interviewed on Talkshite this morning and made no reference to applying but he did laugh when Yorkie was mentioned.
Yep, it's fair to say at least Yorke has given everyone some comedy relief while all this is going on.
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Some French bit of fluff, Jocelyn Gourvennec, has been added to the list of potential managers. 4th favourite with the bookies and her record in France is pretty impressive with little Guingamp.
Never mind that shit, what's her tits and arse like?
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Some French bit of fluff, Jocelyn Gourvennec, has been added to the list of potential managers. 4th favourite with the bookies and her record in France is pretty impressive with little Guingamp.
Never mind that shit, what's her tits and arse like?
No idea but she's ugly as sin but she was born in Brest.
(http://foot123.fr/web/pictures/articles/2014/04/19/original_gourvennec-ou-fournier-pour-remplacer-garde---97906340.jpg)
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Three tits and three arses of the masculine gender in the last five years. If she can get us winning games she can look like Germaine Greer's grannie for all I care.
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Some French bit of fluff, Jocelyn Gourvennec, has been added to the list of potential managers. 4th favourite with the bookies and her record in France is pretty impressive with little Guingamp.
Never mind that shit, what's her tits and arse like?
No idea but she's ugly as sin but she was born in Brest.
(http://foot123.fr/web/pictures/articles/2014/04/19/original_gourvennec-ou-fournier-pour-remplacer-garde---97906340.jpg)
She kind of looks like a bloke to be honest so I've suddenly gone off her arse now.
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You ain't catching me out that easily...that's quite clearly Carlos Tevez in the shower with his clothes on.
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(http://foot123.fr/web/pictures/articles/2014/04/19/original_gourvennec-ou-fournier-pour-remplacer-garde---97906340.jpg)
"Westwood. I like your style. You start every game and you are on corners and free kicks".
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oil $49 a barrel
$47.84 I think you'll find
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(http://foot123.fr/web/pictures/articles/2014/04/19/original_gourvennec-ou-fournier-pour-remplacer-garde---97906340.jpg)
"Westwood. I like your style. You start every game and you are on corners and free kicks".
on loan at Scunthorpe!
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It's heartening to know someone else cares even if he is treating us like his nursery club:
"For Aston Villa, Remi Garde has become a priority because Arsène Wenger has pushed them to go for the former Lyon manager. Wenger has reportedly encouraged Chief Executive Tom Fox and Sporting Director Hendrik Almstadt to appoint Garde, the latter individual of course being a former employee at Arsenal.
Garde is very much considered by Arsène Wenger as a possible replacement for him at Arsenal, but Remi Garde must prove his credentials in the Premier League first."
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oil $49 a barrel
$47.84 I think you'll find
Can someone get me ten barrels straight away please?
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you must have a very big boiler
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It's heartening to know someone else cares even if he is treating us like his nursery club:
"For Aston Villa, Remi Garde has become a priority because Arsène Wenger has pushed them to go for the former Lyon manager. Wenger has reportedly encouraged Chief Executive Tom Fox and Sporting Director Hendrik Almstadt to appoint Garde, the latter individual of course being a former employee at Arsenal.
Garde is very much considered by Arsène Wenger as a possible replacement for him at Arsenal, but Remi Garde must prove his credentials in the Premier League first."
If that is the case Garde would be a pointless replacement as rumour has it that Le Prof is off in the 2017 season.
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you must have a very big boiler
Planning for those ice age winters we have been warned about!
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I'm not gonna lie to you , I've got a very bad feeling about this managerial search and more generally this season as a whole .
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It's heartening to know someone else cares even if he is treating us like his nursery club:
"For Aston Villa, Remi Garde has become a priority because Arsène Wenger has pushed them to go for the former Lyon manager. Wenger has reportedly encouraged Chief Executive Tom Fox and Sporting Director Hendrik Almstadt to appoint Garde, the latter individual of course being a former employee at Arsenal.
Garde is very much considered by Arsène Wenger as a possible replacement for him at Arsenal, but Remi Garde must prove his credentials in the Premier League first."
If that is the case Garde would be a pointless replacement as rumour has it that Le Prof is off in the 2017 season.
I don't think Garde does long contracts. I think I read he wanted and had a one year rolling contract at Lyon.
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I don't see a problem with that given our current predicament. Wasn't MON always on a similar arrangement?
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I'm not gonna lie to you , I've got a very bad feeling about this managerial search and more generally this season as a whole .
Really? You didn't say anything. Assumed all was fine with you.
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I'm not gonna lie to you , I've got a very bad feeling about this managerial search and more generally this season as a whole .
Never!
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He is lying Ron.
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I don't see a problem with that given our current predicament. Wasn't MON always on a similar arrangement?
Only in Randy's dreams.
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Well if silhill is starting to worry then something's awry. Bollocks. I was really enjoying today until reading that. Double bollocks.
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How do you mean, bad? Are you not going to be able to warn us any more. I really would miss your Woe, Woe and thrice Woe.
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I'm not gonna lie to you , I've got a very bad feeling about this managerial search and more generally this season as a whole .
Say it ain't so!
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For Garde to actually be considered as Wenger's replacement he's going to have to do extremely well with us first.
As in recent years we've tended to turn managers into league one fodder, that's going to be some improvement.
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How do you mean, bad? Are you not going to be able to warn us any more. I really would miss your Woe, Woe and thrice Woe.
My fear is around which sane , quality manager would come? I think we are very much in what i would call a sub prime managerial search , or someone unhinged like Pearson or Ranieri
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How do you mean, bad? Are you not going to be able to warn us any more. I really would miss your Woe, Woe and thrice Woe.
My fear is around which sane , quality manager would come?
Remi Garde would seem to have an interest. It's been in the papers a bit today.
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How do you mean, bad? Are you not going to be able to warn us any more. I really would miss your Woe, Woe and thrice Woe.
My fear is around which sane , quality manager would come?
Remi Garde would seem to have an interest. It's been in the papers a bit today.
Let's just hope that he is not interested in early retirement with a fat cheque from being paid off when sacked... O'Neill, Houlier, TSM1, TSM2 and now Sherwood. Have I missed anyone??
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SSN just saying they've spoken to a "Senior source at Aston Villa" in the last 10 minutes.
This source said a number of quality managers had contacted the club regarding the job and that process was now underway.
Fantastic. Club without Manager looking to recruit manager.
Roughly translated as, "Go check out Skybet, viewers, and have yourselves a little punt."
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How do you mean, bad? Are you not going to be able to warn us any more. I really would miss your Woe, Woe and thrice Woe.
My fear is around which sane , quality manager would come?
Remi Garde would seem to have an interest. It's been in the papers a bit today.
Obviously not sane or quality. After all why would anyone want to manage in the PL and get paid handsomely, with an opportunity to restore a great club to glory and enhance their own career? I agree we should be setting our targets much lower. I too am worried we are acting above our station here and we need to accept that all will be shit forever. Raise the white flag.
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It's heartening to know someone else cares even if he is treating us like his nursery club:
"For Aston Villa, Remi Garde has become a priority because Arsène Wenger has pushed them to go for the former Lyon manager. Wenger has reportedly encouraged Chief Executive Tom Fox and Sporting Director Hendrik Almstadt to appoint Garde, the latter individual of course being a former employee at Arsenal.
Garde is very much considered by Arsène Wenger as a possible replacement for him at Arsenal, but Remi Garde must prove his credentials in the Premier League first."
Who said this? The idea that Wenger would be pushing Villa to appoint a manager is ludicrous. I don't doubt Fox would have sounded out various people's opinions of Garde but to turn that into some narrative that Villa would be grooming him to succeed Wenger is ridiculous. If Arsenal want to groom him to be their boss they can make him their number two.
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Well according to The Telegraph, the Garde deal is in danger of going belly up because of problems with getting his preferred backroom staff released from their current employers.
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How do you mean, bad? Are you not going to be able to warn us any more. I really would miss your Woe, Woe and thrice Woe.
My fear is around which sane , quality manager would come?
Remi Garde would seem to have an interest. It's been in the papers a bit today.
Obviously not sane or quality. After all why would anyone want to manage in the PL and get paid handsomely, with an opportunity to restore a great club to glory and enhance their own career? I agree we should be setting our targets much lower. I too am worried we are acting above our station here and we need to accept that all will be shit forever. Raise the white flag.
I giggled :)
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Well according to The Telegraph, the Garde deal is in danger of going belly up because of problems with getting his preferred backroom staff released from their current employers.
They've been reading Juan Pablo on here!
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Well according to The Telegraph, the Garde deal is in danger of going belly up because of problems with getting his preferred backroom staff released from their current employers.
If the back room staff really want to join Villa they'd just quit their jobs and let compensation be sorted. Can't be that much for back room staff.
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Well according to The Telegraph, the Garde deal is in danger of going belly up because of problems with getting his preferred backroom staff released from their current employers.
Oh come the fuck on. If we end up appointing Nigel Pearson because Metz wouldn't release a physio I'm going to lose it.
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Well according to The Telegraph, the Garde deal is in danger of going belly up because of problems with getting his preferred backroom staff released from their current employers.
Oh come the fuck on. If we end up appointing Nigel Pearson because Metz wouldn't release a physio I'm going to lose it.
Zis.
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It's heartening to know someone else cares even if he is treating us like his nursery club:
"For Aston Villa, Remi Garde has become a priority because Arsène Wenger has pushed them to go for the former Lyon manager. Wenger has reportedly encouraged Chief Executive Tom Fox and Sporting Director Hendrik Almstadt to appoint Garde, the latter individual of course being a former employee at Arsenal.
Garde is very much considered by Arsène Wenger as a possible replacement for him at Arsenal, but Remi Garde must prove his credentials in the Premier League first."
Who said this? The idea that Wenger would be pushing Villa to appoint a manager is ludicrous. I don't doubt Fox would have sounded out various people's opinions of Garde but to turn that into some narrative that Villa would be grooming him to succeed Wenger is ridiculous. If Arsenal want to groom him to be their boss they can make him their number two.
Not that I necessarily believe that Wenger is pushing Villa to appoint Garde so that he (Garde) might take the reins at Aresenal when Wenger retires, but I disagree with the notion that succession planning means serving a stint as assistant manager and then getting the top job.
It makes sense to me to have in place a good assistant manager and identify potential managerial appointments that would be capable of working alongside an assistant manager/first team coach that stays in place. Many (most?) assistant managers are not suited to being the manager as it requires different skills and a different approach.
Plus it mitigates the turmoil when the manager goes and the majority of the backroom staff leave at the same time - whether they are fired or just move on as they are part of 'his team' and they follow the departed manager.
Stability and a consistent approach to coaching, recruitment and managing players would seem a sensible ambition with succession planning - not that it is much in evidence at Villa or most/any clubs.
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Well according to The Telegraph, the Garde deal is in danger of going belly up because of problems with getting his preferred backroom staff released from their current employers.
Just throw some money at the problem. Outside of PSG there are zero French clubs who we cant just dangle some Euros under their noses and they will release whoever we damn well want.
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Depends if you count Monaco as French. Lyon are Champions League regulars so won't be skint. I'd imagine Marseille have a few quid too, unless they've spent it all on bribes.
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Right so Dwight Yorke thinks he is the man for the job :/ wow.
Yes quite and I am waiting for Mark Tosspot Bosnich to throw his hat in the ring.
I don't think it was his hat he used for that.
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Well according to The Telegraph, the Garde deal is in danger of going belly up because of problems with getting his preferred backroom staff released from their current employers.
Just throw some money at the problem. Outside of PSG there are zero French clubs who we cant just dangle some Euros under their noses and they will release whoever we damn well want.
Offer them Charles NZog for a nominal fee.
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How do you mean, bad? Are you not going to be able to warn us any more. I really would miss your Woe, Woe and thrice Woe.
My fear is around which sane , quality manager would come? I think we are very much in what i would call a sub prime managerial search , or someone unhinged like Pearson or Ranieri
Do you ever engage your brain before posting?
Ranieri is unhinged?
One of, if not the most considered and considerate managers in the PL at the moment.
Edit:
For the record, Pearson isn't unhinged, he never had his hinges fitted.
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Well according to The Telegraph, the Garde deal is in danger of going belly up because of problems with getting his preferred backroom staff released from their current employers.
Oh come the fuck on. If we end up appointing Nigel Pearson because Metz wouldn't release a physio I'm going to lose it.
If the Garde story really has anything behind it, it's probably media hyperbole where the real comment was something along the lines of, "there's some work to do to get his backroom staff released."
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Well according to The Telegraph, the Garde deal is in danger of going belly up because of problems with getting his preferred backroom staff released from their current employers.
Oh come the fuck on. If we end up appointing Nigel Pearson because Metz wouldn't release a physio I'm going to lose it.
If the Garde story really has anything behind it, it's probably media hyperbole where the real comment was something along the lines of, "there's some work to do to get his backroom staff released."
It'll probably be a bit like in the summer when the Traoré/Veretout/Lescott/Amavi/Gueye deals were bound to have fallen through because they hadn't been finalised within a few hours of us hearing about them.
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Well according to The Telegraph, the Garde deal is in danger of going belly up because of problems with getting his preferred backroom staff released from their current employers.
Just throw some money at the problem. Outside of PSG there are zero French clubs who we cant just dangle some Euros under their noses and they will release whoever we damn well want.
Even if the clubs are prepared to release them, there's no guarantee that they'd want to come here, for any number of reasons. I imagine there are plenty of Brits who wouldn't want to move to Birmingham, and probably even more French.
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It's heartening to know someone else cares even if he is treating us like his nursery club:
"For Aston Villa, Remi Garde has become a priority because Arsène Wenger has pushed them to go for the former Lyon manager. Wenger has reportedly encouraged Chief Executive Tom Fox and Sporting Director Hendrik Almstadt to appoint Garde, the latter individual of course being a former employee at Arsenal.
Garde is very much considered by Arsène Wenger as a possible replacement for him at Arsenal, but Remi Garde must prove his credentials in the Premier League first."
Who said this? The idea that Wenger would be pushing Villa to appoint a manager is ludicrous. I don't doubt Fox would have sounded out various people's opinions of Garde but to turn that into some narrative that Villa would be grooming him to succeed Wenger is ridiculous. If Arsenal want to groom him to be their boss they can make him their number two.
So Garde will just be using us as temporary stopping off point before heading south to London?
That must mean that his appointment would make him Garde du Nord.
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Sky saying it's hit the buffers as we can't get permission to speak to Lyon about one of their staff.
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Sky saying it's hit the buffers as we can't get permission to speak to Lyon about one of their staff.
For an entire summer Sky had us signing Andros Townsend. And numerous other tat. I'll believe Sky the day after the player/manager has been introduced at Bodymoor and even then cautiously.
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Sky saying it's hit the buffers as we can't get permission to speak to Lyon about one of their staff.
For an entire summer Sky had us signing Andros Townsend. And numerous other tat. I'll believe Sky the day after the player/manager has been introduced at Bodymoor and even then cautiously.
I'd agree with that if we hadn't heard it here first hours ago.
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If Popeye Doyle is still in Marseille we should send him round to sort out these recalcitrant backroomers.
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Nice idea wasn't it...
One thing I would say is after the bollocking about trying to get any tom dick or gary to be Gerard Houllier's number 2, then getting Sherwood minus Ramsey who was clearly the brains of the operation, and having the issues with Lambert and his assistants, unless we can sort the issues out for Garde, then don't bother. It doesn't work very well without the proper team around the manager.
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IF it's true, there's a few possibilities.
Firstly (perhaps the most likely), this is brinkmanship on Lyon's part, they're trying to maximise their compensation payout (which they're more than entitled to do).
Secondly, they mean it. In which case Garde needs to decide whether he is happy to stay out of work, seemingly forever, or wait until Lyon have sacked their coaching staff and this guy becomes available. As that could take years, it doesn't seem a very wise course of action for an up and coming young manager. Of course there is the argument, that if he can't get the backroom staff he needs, he might not be such a wise appointment anyway.
Either way, it sounds like a potential delay which is a shame. I want the new guy in for Southampton preferably, but if not then for Tottenham. Don't want it dragging on too long past that.
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Well according to The Telegraph, the Garde deal is in danger of going belly up because of problems with getting his preferred backroom staff released from their current employers.
Just throw some money at the problem. Outside of PSG there are zero French clubs who we cant just dangle some Euros under their noses and they will release whoever we damn well want.
Even if the clubs are prepared to release them, there's no guarantee that they'd want to come here, for any number of reasons. I imagine there are plenty of Brits who wouldn't want to move to Birmingham, and probably even more French.
Nonsense. It's not like they're going to move to Ladywood or Bordesley Green just because they're joining the Villa is it?
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I'd just like ( soon to be) Our Remi to go a bit A la recherche du temps perdu* and bring back the good times, s'il vous plait.
The Cup finals, the League championships, the European nights. Formidable, as Big Ron our old French teacher used to say. Merveilleux. Terrifique. Le chien...
I'll leave it there.
( *not the 70's)
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I'm still not sure about Remi Garde.
If we were mid-table then it could be inspired, but will he have the experience to keep us up.
I'm wondering if we need a specialist that will just keep us up, even if its just a short term fix.
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It's crazy how in football's alternative universe a club apparently owns you if you have a contract with it.
If Garde's guys want to join him they can resign. What's the problem? Unless they don't want to join him.
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The problem is Lyon - Remi want Gerald Baticle (Coach of Lyon) for his assistant manager job. Lyon doesn't want to talk.
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Is Ron Saunders still about? Or big Ron come to that? Either would do better than last three incumbents.
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I'm still not sure about Remi Garde.
If we were mid-table then it could be inspired, but will he have the experience to keep us up.
I'm wondering if we need a specialist that will just keep us up, even if its just a short term fix.
I'm struggling to see why someone with the skills to improve the team long term wouldn't also have the managerial ability to see us overhaul the likes of Bournemouth, Norwich, Watford and Sunderland over the next six months.
No short-term fix for me. Even if we stay up, we'll be back in the shit this time next year, when, no doubt, you'd want another short-term fix to save us.
Plan for this season, AND the future.
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I keep reminding myself that it's still October. It's not the same situation that Tim came into, and he will always have my thanks for turning things around so quickly and keeping us up, never mind in the FA Cup final.
Whoever joins us now can't go any lower but we have not lost touch with teams above and there is a good two thirds of the season to go. Our players just need organising and some belief.
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I'm still not sure about Remi Garde.
If we were mid-table then it could be inspired, but will he have the experience to keep us up.
I'm wondering if we need a specialist that will just keep us up, even if its just a short term fix.
I'm struggling to see why someone with the skills to improve the team long term wouldn't also have the managerial ability to see us overhaul the likes of Bournemouth, Norwich, Watford and Sunderland over the next six months.
No short-term fix for me. Even if we stay up, we'll be back in the shit this time next year, when, no doubt, you'd want another short-term fix to save us.
Plan for this season, AND the future.
Remi can cure all our problems, sounds good to me, break the bank to get him and his team in , I say.
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What Tony said!
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We can't get his team in, if Lyon won't even talk to us.
Like I said, it could be brinkmanship and we could get the staff we need, but if Lyon refuse to open up talks then there's not a lot we can do.
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I'm still not sure about Remi Garde.
If we were mid-table then it could be inspired, but will he have the experience to keep us up.
I'm wondering if we need a specialist that will just keep us up, even if its just a short term fix.
I'm struggling to see why someone with the skills to improve the team long term wouldn't also have the managerial ability to see us overhaul the likes of Bournemouth, Norwich, Watford and Sunderland over the next six months.
No short-term fix for me. Even if we stay up, we'll be back in the shit this time next year, when, no doubt, you'd want another short-term fix to save us.
Plan for this season, AND the future.
Wholeheartedly agree, CD. There's still 28 games to go, plenty of time for the right man to turn this ship around and head on a course toward sunnier climes, rather than just jamming the rudder full circle AGAIN.
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Is Ron Saunders still about? Or big Ron come to that? Either would do better than last three incumbents.
Big Ron has said Pearson should get the job and that it shouldn't even be up for discussion.
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I'm still not sure about Remi Garde.
If we were mid-table then it could be inspired, but will he have the experience to keep us up.
I'm wondering if we need a specialist that will just keep us up, even if its just a short term fix.
I'm struggling to see why someone with the skills to improve the team long term wouldn't also have the managerial ability to see us overhaul the likes of Bournemouth, Norwich, Watford and Sunderland over the next six months.
You say Plan for this Season and the Future? Your right but that will not happen under Learner!
No short-term fix for me. Even if we stay up, we'll be back in the shit this time next year, when, no doubt, you'd want another short-term fix to save us.
Plan for this season, AND the future.
All I was saying was that a short-term fix might give us something to improve on.While I can't stand Pullis style football you know he would give you a firm basis to build from the same way he did for Stoke and Crystal Palace.
We're in a desperate situation and going down could be catastrophic, you wouldn't bet on any team being able to bounce back after being relegated.
Despite how dour Moyes is, I think he could be the short-term and longer fix.
Plan for this season, AND the future. Not while Learner is in charge I'm afraid.
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Well there is, Garde can ask them to come and they can walk, Villa can then sort compensation afterwards. It happens, and backroom staff are less costly than managers.
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If Garde won't ever take another job without absolutely everyone he wants in his backroom staff he might find it a little hard to get back into management.
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Well there is, Garde can ask them to come and they can walk, Villa can then sort compensation afterwards. It happens, and backroom staff are less costly than managers.
That didn't happen in the Summer when he tried to get them to Newcastle though. Maybe they wouldn't want to burn bridges in case it doesn't work out.
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Well according to Froggy on Radio WM we need a manager to who will our team playing direct physical aggressive football...apparently you can't get out of relegation by playing pretty football! What a load of absolute shite...anyone would think we're trying to avoid relegation from the Conference, not 10 games into a Premier League season where pretty much most of the teams at least attempt to play half decent football.
From what I've read, Garde seems a good fit...managed successfully on a tight budget, got the best out of young players, knowledge of the players we've signed in the summer, plays a passing game which suits our players, and actually has football intelligence. I've never heard of him before, but he seems to be a better fit than Moyes, Rodgers or any of the others being linked.
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Is Ron Saunders still about? Or big Ron come to that? Either would do better than last three incumbents.
Big Ron has said Pearson should get the job and that it shouldn't even be up for discussion.
He's backing a fellow racist up...
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I'm not gonna lie to you , I've got a very bad feeling about this managerial search and more generally this season as a whole .
Yeah, but $47.84 a barrel. Even with our net spend we could afford 160,403.95 barrels of Brent crude. That's about six each for every season ticket holder. Got to be happy with that
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Well according to The Telegraph, the Garde deal is in danger of going belly up because of problems with getting his preferred backroom staff released from their current employers.
Just throw some money at the problem. Outside of PSG there are zero French clubs who we cant just dangle some Euros under their noses and they will release whoever we damn well want.
Even if the clubs are prepared to release them, there's no guarantee that they'd want to come here, for any number of reasons. I imagine there are plenty of Brits who wouldn't want to move to Birmingham, and probably even more French.
Triple their salary and tell them Birmingham is part of London. It worked with Beneteke it can work with some cone & bib man. ;D
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According to an "exclusive" by SatanSpawnofBaggieBill in The Meaning Evil, Benito Carbone has thrown his hat into the three ring bullshit circus sideshow. Young Gregg is a caution.
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I am just happened to tune-in the TalkSport, Stan is making my head hurt!
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My concern is the far from joined up thinking at Villa.
If we can't get Garde, for whatever reason, I still like the idea behind the approach. A young, continental manager who seems a bit of a thinker and isn't just a British shoutandswear merchant. If he's unavailable I'd like to see us scout Europe for the best available manager we can get.
My worry is we'll say "We can't talk to this Garde guy? Quick, get Alan Irvine on the phone!"
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My concern is the far from joined up thinking at Villa.
If we can't get Garde, for whatever reason, I still like the idea behind the approach. A young, continental manager who seems a bit of a thinker and isn't just a British shoutandswear merchant. If he's unavailable I'd like to see us scout Europe for the best available manager we can get.
My worry is we'll say "We can't talk to this Garde guy? Quick, get Alan Irvine on the phone!"
Agreed on all points.
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I am just happened to tune-in the TalkSport, Stan is making my head hurt!
I normally quite like Collymore. His heart seems to be in the right place, even if it's a shame that sometimes his mouth is too. But he's talking 100% bollocks tonight.
It's obviously my own fault for listening to this shit, however.
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I am just happened to tune-in the TalkSport, Stan is making my head hurt!
I normally quite like Collymore. His heart seems to be in the right place, even if it's a shame that sometimes his mouth is too. But he's talking 100% bollocks tonight.
It's obviously my own fault for listening to this shit, however.
Seems to be on a mission re Randy....think he has been let off the leash now he is not writing for the programme.
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I'm completely in the Garde camp now, I knew very little of him other than he played for Arsenal and managed Lyon but the read ups all sound like hes perfect for our set up.
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Loving listening to Collymore tonight. Hits the nail on the head for me.
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If all the stuff about Garde and his entourage is true then it could get as messy as in 1994 when Brian Little left Leicester to come to the Villa. Wasn't there a tug of war to get Leicester to release Allan Evans &/or John Gregory to be BL's assistants? Think it all got a bit nasty but cannot recall the exact details. Anyway this type of situation is not new and given the will to get the right man then they should hopefully be able to reach a solution.
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I'm completely in the Garde camp now, I knew very little of him other than he played for Arsenal and managed Lyon but the read ups all sound like hes perfect for our set up.
Don't get your hopes up. If Skysports are correct then it won't happen for the very same reason his move to Newcastle failed, he wants to bring in his assistant but Lyon are refusing to discuss it.
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I'm completely in the Garde camp now, I knew very little of him other than he played for Arsenal and managed Lyon but the read ups all sound like hes perfect for our set up.
Don't get your hopes up. If Skysports are correct then it won't happen for the very same reason his move to Newcastle failed, he wants to bring in his assistant but Lyon are refusing to discuss it.
Yeah, we'll be fine.
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Are his chosen assistants indentured, or something? Like, chained?
Otherwise, they have contracts which can be bought out.
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Not against the Garde idea but my only reservation is that he's only got one job on his CV.
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Are his chosen assistants indentured, or something? Like, chained?
Otherwise, they have contracts which can be bought out.
Exactly. I believe that Dwight Yorke was under contract, and that we weren't keen on losing him, just before he fucked off to Man Utd.
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Not against the Garde idea but my only reservation is that he's only got one job on his CV.
Agreed. He's still a rookie and we should steer well clear.
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I'm completely in the Garde camp now, I knew very little of him other than he played for Arsenal and managed Lyon but the read ups all sound like hes perfect for our set up.
Don't get your hopes up. If Skysports are correct then it won't happen for the very same reason his move to Newcastle failed, he wants to bring in his assistant but Lyon are refusing to discuss it.
Yeah, we'll be fine.
A Villa fan who hasn't lost his optimism, I hope you are right.
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If only we'd 'done a Lyon' when Liverpool came a knockin' for Benteke. "No, we absolutely refuse to allow you to speak to us. And likewise, we're refusing to let ourselves listen to you."
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"Not against the Garde idea but my only reservation is that he's only got one job on his CV"
Probably sounds perfect to our non footballing recruitment panel..
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If only we'd 'done a Lyon' when Liverpool came a knockin' for Benteke. "No, we absolutely refuse to allow you to speak to us. And likewise, we're refusing to let ourselves listen to you."
Release clause was the devil in the detail of this issue.
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If only we'd 'done a Lyon' when Liverpool came a knockin' for Benteke. "No, we absolutely refuse to allow you to speak to us. And likewise, we're refusing to let ourselves listen to you."
Don't get us all started on buy out clauses for Gods sake.
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Are his chosen assistants indentured, or something? Like, chained?
Otherwise, they have contracts which can be bought out.
Exactly. I believe that Dwight Yorke was under contract, and that we weren't keen on losing him, just before he fucked off to Man Utd.
Would you be suggesting that these guys just don't turn up for work (ala Yorke at Everton)?
Probably the best way - I'm sure Alan Evans managed to force his way out of Leicester to be part of the Little / Gregory team. Depends HOW much they actually want to come here.
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I'm completely in the Garde camp now, I knew very little of him other than he played for Arsenal and managed Lyon but the read ups all sound like hes perfect for our set up.
Don't get your hopes up. If Skysports are correct then it won't happen for the very same reason his move to Newcastle failed, he wants to bring in his assistant but Lyon are refusing to discuss it.
Yeah, we'll be fine.
A Villa fan who hasn't lost his optimism, I hope you are right.
I lost that years ago, I'm just slightly deluded.
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Not against the Garde idea but my only reservation is that he's only got one job on his CV.
Agreed. He's still a rookie and we should steer well clear.
This is the fear . We are shopping in the sub-prime market . This decision is massive for the club, arguably the most important in the history of the club.
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Not against the Garde idea but my only reservation is that he's only got one job on his CV.
Agreed. He's still a rookie and we should steer well clear.
Are you still lusting for Moyes, S_H? You do realise he's not interested.
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If only we'd 'done a Lyon' when Liverpool came a knockin' for Benteke. "No, we absolutely refuse to allow you to speak to us. And likewise, we're refusing to let ourselves listen to you."
Don't get us all started on buy out clauses for Gods sake.
"No, we categorically refuse to understand what a release clause is."
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If only we'd 'done a Lyon' when Liverpool came a knockin' for Benteke. "No, we absolutely refuse to allow you to speak to us. And likewise, we're refusing to let ourselves listen to you."
Don't get us all started on buy out clauses for Gods sake.
If they have buy out clauses we should bid a couple of million above that value just incase Newcastle come back for them......
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According to an "exclusive" by SatanSpawnofBaggieBill in The Meaning Evil, Benito Carbone has thrown his hat into the three ring bullshit circus sideshow. Young Gregg is a caution.
He can fuck right off, like he did when the mighty Bradford City lured him away from us as a player.
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A damning piece in The Mirror by Dave Kidd concludes:
Garde did a decent but unspectacular job as Lyon manager but his likely appointment is regarded as one designed to best safeguard the positions of Fox, Almstadt and Riley – a compliant ‘head coach’ who could be expected to make the most of Villa’s summer foray into the French market.
Good luck with that.
There’ll be few tears shed for Sherwood, and with a £2million pay-off why should there be?
But while Villa are run by self-interested middle managers, who seem incapable of trusting their own instincts, they are heading towards the Championship. And deservedly so.
Aston Villa have been smothered by a lack of ambition and are mismanaging their way into the Championship (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-been-smothered-lack-6710076)
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Even if they don't chucking a few quid at Lyon to release the blokes running around with stopwatches and clipboards should hardly be insurmountable. Its not like there is a transfer limit or window for backroom staff. Use up a few hundred thousand of the massive warchest we have committed to garde to get his team.
We HAVE commited a massive warchest to him right Randy, Randy?
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According to an "exclusive" by SatanSpawnofBaggieBill in The Meaning Evil, Benito Carbone has thrown his hat into the three ring bullshit circus sideshow. Young Gregg is a caution.
He can fuck right off, like he did when the mighty Bradford City lured him away from us as a player.
There seems to be an awful lot of interest in this job at The Villa. How gratifying.
Then again,
Anything to do with the mega financial bonanza hitting the PL at the end of this season?
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A damning piece in The Mirror by Dave Kidd concludes:
Garde did a decent but unspectacular job as Lyon manager but his likely appointment is regarded as one designed to best safeguard the positions of Fox, Almstadt and Riley – a compliant ‘head coach’ who could be expected to make the most of Villa’s summer foray into the French market.
Good luck with that.
There’ll be few tears shed for Sherwood, and with a £2million pay-off why should there be?
But while Villa are run by self-interested middle managers, who seem incapable of trusting their own instincts, they are heading towards the Championship. And deservedly so.
Aston Villa have been smothered by a lack of ambition and are mismanaging their way into the Championship (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-been-smothered-lack-6710076)
Villa have been through four managers and have finished in the bottom six for each of the past four seasons, winning just 20 of their last 81 home league games.
(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/52db4966e4b049da57009d29/t/5422eba9e4b0dd1579546103/1411574937596/)
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That is absolutely shite, isn't it? I mean those kinds of stats should trigger some kind of public enquiry.
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I'm not gonna lie to you , I've got a very bad feeling about this managerial search and more generally this season as a whole .
Yeah, but $47.84 a barrel. Even with our net spend we could afford 160,403.95 barrels of Brent crude. That's about six each for every season ticket holder. Got to be happy with that
*applauds*
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A damning piece in The Mirror by Dave Kidd concludes:
Garde did a decent but unspectacular job as Lyon manager but his likely appointment is regarded as one designed to best safeguard the positions of Fox, Almstadt and Riley – a compliant ‘head coach’ who could be expected to make the most of Villa’s summer foray into the French market.
Good luck with that.
There’ll be few tears shed for Sherwood, and with a £2million pay-off why should there be?
But while Villa are run by self-interested middle managers, who seem incapable of trusting their own instincts, they are heading towards the Championship. And deservedly so.
Aston Villa have been smothered by a lack of ambition and are mismanaging their way into the Championship (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-been-smothered-lack-6710076)
This is my fear and if I had he skill I would attach my similar comments from several days ago. The comment "that while Villa are run by self-interested middle managers" is pretty daming if true.
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Not against the Garde idea but my only reservation is that he's only got one job on his CV.
Agreed. He's still a rookie and we should steer well clear.
This is the fear . We are shopping in the sub-prime market . This decision is massive for the club, arguably the most important in the history of the club.
Yeah this my worry and Garde is a Gamble we can't afford to lose on.
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To be honest it all has a feel of being of just too desperate at the moment. Hope is all fading and unlike most seasons I think quite a lot feel that this is a season too far. The fight has been sucked out of us. Whoever comes in is unlikely to turn what we have around. If that person does come in and do it then great. But I think we look too much of a disjointed mess to salvage this one.
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If only we'd 'done a Lyon' when Liverpool came a knockin' for Benteke. "No, we absolutely refuse to allow you to speak to us. And likewise, we're refusing to let ourselves listen to you."
Don't get us all started on buy out clauses for Gods sake.
But what's to stop another club bidding more and than starting a bidding war?
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If only we'd 'done a Lyon' when Liverpool came a knockin' for Benteke. "No, we absolutely refuse to allow you to speak to us. And likewise, we're refusing to let ourselves listen to you."
Don't get us all started on buy out clauses for Gods sake.
But what's to stop another club bidding more and than starting a bidding war?
Nothing.
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Then why didn't Barry take the penalty?
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If only we'd 'done a Lyon' when Liverpool came a knockin' for Benteke. "No, we absolutely refuse to allow you to speak to us. And likewise, we're refusing to let ourselves listen to you."
Don't get us all started on buy out clauses for Gods sake.
But what's to stop another club bidding more and than starting a bidding war?
Our favourite debate. We couldn't wait until the January transfer window could we?
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Keep playing with fire you eventually get burnt.
We are ablaze, and the fire is I fear out of control.
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If only we'd 'done a Lyon' when Liverpool came a knockin' for Benteke. "No, we absolutely refuse to allow you to speak to us. And likewise, we're refusing to let ourselves listen to you."
Don't get us all started on buy out clauses for Gods sake.
But what's to stop another club bidding more and than starting a bidding war?
Our favourite debate. We couldn't wait until the January transfer window could we?
Its nearly as hilarious as Agent Ridgewell or Why didnt Barry blah blah.
Side splitting stuff.
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If only we'd 'done a Lyon' when Liverpool came a knockin' for Benteke. "No, we absolutely refuse to allow you to speak to us. And likewise, we're refusing to let ourselves listen to you."
Don't get us all started on buy out clauses for Gods sake.
But what's to stop another club bidding more and than starting a bidding war?
Our favourite debate. We couldn't wait until the January transfer window could we?
Its nearly as hilarious as Agent Ridgewell or Why didnt Barry blah blah.
Side splitting stuff.
Quite right. Barry didn't take the penalty as his pants were still powdered.
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Keep playing with fire you eventually get burnt.
We are ablaze, and the fire is I fear out of control.
My dad said allways fight fire with fire, which is probably why he got thrown out of the Fire Brigade
H Hill
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Keep playing with fire you eventually get burnt.
We are ablaze, and the fire is I fear out of control.
Any more red top clichés you fancy about our doom??
Garde seems to be fairly well respected as a coach and manager and clearly Sunderland and Newcastle both felt he was worth going for too, before they appointed their current incumbents. Moyes doesn't want it that's going to be made pretty clear, he won't leave Spain unless pushed. Rodgers most Liverpool fans seen to think has ruined himself or at least list his way to the extent he needs time away and might be too big a risk even if would come. I hope we have a plan b that does not include Pearson!
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A damning piece in The Mirror by Dave Kidd concludes:
Garde did a decent but unspectacular job as Lyon manager but his likely appointment is regarded as one designed to best safeguard the positions of Fox, Almstadt and Riley – a compliant ‘head coach’ who could be expected to make the most of Villa’s summer foray into the French market.
Good luck with that.
There’ll be few tears shed for Sherwood, and with a £2million pay-off why should there be?
But while Villa are run by self-interested middle managers, who seem incapable of trusting their own instincts, they are heading towards the Championship. And deservedly so.
Aston Villa have been smothered by a lack of ambition and are mismanaging their way into the Championship (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-been-smothered-lack-6710076)
This is my fear and if I had he skill I would attach my similar comments from several days ago. The comment "that while Villa are run by self-interested middle managers" is pretty daming if true.
Wow big deal another self interested media hack writes bollocks about Aston Villa with poorly researched shit and sweeping generalisations. It's the Daily fucking Mirror people. His casual swiping away of Garde's record at Lyon really shows him up to be the essence of that Football365 article earlier, a small minded little Englander.
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Keep playing with fire you eventually get burnt.
We are ablaze, and the fire is I fear out of control.
Any more red top clichés you fancy about our doom ?
I think it's a fairly accurate summation of where we're at
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If you keep playing with fire, you end up with a pink face and a jumper that smells of smoke
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I end up with burnt toast and black smoke in the kitchen, but I get your drift.
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If you keep playing with fire, you end up with a pink face and a jumper that smells of smoke
Indeed. I once caught fire after pouring petrol on an open fire and escaped without any burns at all. Jumper had a few holes in it mind.
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Sill, have you ever considered that we are all going to die.
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Did anyone hear the Villa fan phone up Collymore and state (and I kid you not) that the best thing we can do now is to approach MON, apologise to him, BEG him to come back, and give him £30m to spend in January.
Collymore replied that the caller had "absolutely nailed it!".
I'm still in shock.
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To be honest it all has a feel of being of just too desperate at the moment. Hope is all fading and unlike most seasons I think quite a lot feel that this is a season too far. The fight has been sucked out of us.
I'm f**king up for the fight.
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All the callers I heard were all agreeing with Stan.
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Did anyone hear the Villa fan phone up Collymore and state (and I kid you not) that the best thing we can do now is to approach MON, apologise to him, BEG him to come back, and give him £30m to spend in January.
Collymore replied that the caller had "absolutely nailed it!".
I'm still in shock.
Did this caller have a rambling, irrational conversational style with a Northern Irish lilt?
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Did anyone hear the Villa fan phone up Collymore and state (and I kid you not) that the best thing we can do now is to approach MON, apologise to him, BEG him to come back, and give him £30m to spend in January.
Collymore replied that the caller had "absolutely nailed it!".
I'm still in shock.
Ireland seemed to be keen to ofload him witha Come and Get Him plea to Leicester. Promptly ignored and they hired Ranieri.
O'Neill would be a fucking disaster. I'd see Lennon and Adebeyor turning up after all.
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Keep playing with fire you eventually get burnt.
We are ablaze, and the fire is I fear out of control.
Any more red top clichés you fancy about our doom ?
I think it's a fairly accurate summation of where we're at
Even if you say so yourself.
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Did anyone hear the Villa fan phone up Collymore and state (and I kid you not) that the best thing we can do now is to approach MON, apologise to him, BEG him to come back, and give him £30m to spend in January.
Collymore replied that the caller had "absolutely nailed it!".
I'm still in shock.
Yeah.
Stanloi has lost the plot somewhat. Dreams of fans buying 51% of the club because the owners are unfit for purpose and were not subject to due diligence. Visions of him on the back of a flatbed truck with a megaphone leading the Villa faithful to the promised land. He was quite emotional towards the end and said he has burned his bridges at VP but he doesn't care.
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A damning piece in The Mirror by Dave Kidd concludes:
Garde did a decent but unspectacular job as Lyon manager but his likely appointment is regarded as one designed to best safeguard the positions of Fox, Almstadt and Riley – a compliant ‘head coach’ who could be expected to make the most of Villa’s summer foray into the French market.
Good luck with that.
There’ll be few tears shed for Sherwood, and with a £2million pay-off why should there be?
But while Villa are run by self-interested middle managers, who seem incapable of trusting their own instincts, they are heading towards the Championship. And deservedly so.
Aston Villa have been smothered by a lack of ambition and are mismanaging their way into the Championship (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-been-smothered-lack-6710076)
This is my fear and if I had he skill I would attach my similar comments from several days ago. The comment "that while Villa are run by self-interested middle managers" is pretty daming if true.
Article is full of cheap jibes and this is possibly the worst:
"One of these players, Jordan Ayew, was not even the best available striker in his own family" ...Not clever specially as used by cricketers many times for slagging off the Hussey and Waugh brothers.
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Did anyone hear the Villa fan phone up Collymore and state (and I kid you not) that the best thing we can do now is to approach MON, apologise to him, BEG him to come back, and give him £30m to spend in January.
Collymore replied that the caller had "absolutely nailed it!".
I'm still in shock.
Yeah.
Stanloi has lost the plot somewhat. Dreams of fans buying 51% of the club because the owners are unfit for purpose and were not subject to due diligence. Visions of him on the back of a flatbed truck with a megaphone leading the Villa faithful to the promised land. He was quite emotional towards the end and said he has burned his bridges at VP but he doesn't care.
He's talking absolute rubbish. As if he'd need the megaphone.
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Loving listening to Collymore tonight. Hits the nail on the head for me.
On the other hand I thought hes was absolute garbage tonight spouting off emotional claptrap and ranting unnecessarily. "Bring back MON" ...FFS!
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We can't get his team in, if Lyon won't even talk to us.
Like I said, it could be brinkmanship and we could get the staff we need, but if Lyon refuse to open up talks then there's not a lot we can do.
The last time I looked Lyon was in France so people can resign from their jobs.
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If you keep playing with fire, you end up with a pink face and a jumper that smells of smoke
Indeed. I once caught fire after pouring petrol on an open fire and escaped without any burns at all. Jumper had a few holes in it mind.
https://youtu.be/Yb_XNb0zc4s
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I know trying to get MON back is ridiculous, but the stick MON gets on here is stupid. Maybe, as fans, we get what we deserve? (i.e. Shit for many years).
Sometimes I think we could win the league and people on here would still whinge about not winning a cup.
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Do you ever engage your brain before posting?
Why do you even ask that question as you know the answer!
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Interestingly The Guardian are reporting that Remi Garde is wanting to bring back Robert Duverne to the club if he takes the job. Duverne was our fitness coach who fell out with James Collins and Richard Dunne when Houllier was manager because they were lazy bastards. He also had a run in with Patrick Evra when France self destructed at the 2010 World Cup.
The former Lyon coach Rémi Garde is the favourite to replace him, although reports last night suggested the move may have hit a stumbling black as the club are having trouble securing the signatures of the assistants, Gerald Baticle and Robert Duverne, the Frenchman wants to bring with him.
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Right so Dwight Yorke thinks he is the man for the job :/ wow.
Yes quite and I am waiting for Mark Tosspot Bosnich to throw his hat in the ring.
I don't think it was his hat he used for that.
So he has previous on using the wrong end?
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Do you ever engage your brain before posting?
Why do you even ask that question as you know the answer!
Its VD remember, special needs ;)
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Aston Villa's pursuit of Remi Garde has hit a snag over Lyon's refusal to release the man he wants as his assistant.
Sky sources understand the former Lyon manager is top of Villa's list as they seek a replacement for Tim Sherwood, who was sacked on Sunday after a sixth straight Premier League defeat.
But Garde will not take the job unless he can bring with him Baticle, currently assisting Hubert Fournier at the Stade de Gerland, and Metz fitness coach Robert Duverne.
And Sky sources say Lyon are flatly refusing to allow Baticle permission to speak to Villa about a move.
It is understood their reluctance to lose Baticle was behind the collapse of Garde's proposed appointment at Newcastle following Alan Pardew's departure at the turn of the year.
Duverne, meanwhile, was part of the Villa staff during Gerard Houllier's time as manager in 2010/11.
In the meantime Kevin MacDonald is in temporary charge in a reprisal of the role he first filled following Martin O'Neill's 2010 exit.
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I know trying to get MON back is ridiculous, but the stick MON gets on here is stupid. Maybe, as fans, we get what we deserve? (i.e. Shit for many years).
Sometimes I think we could win the league and people on here would still whinge about not winning a cup.
Walking out on a club a couple of days before a season starts is a genuine disgrace. He knew what he was doing all the Summer the crafty little shit. He deserves fuck all but abuse from this fan base. Very ,Very average manager. Twat of a person.
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Do you ever engage your brain before posting?
Why do you even ask that question as you know the answer!
Its VD remember, special needs ;)
And what the fuck is that supposed to mean?
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I know trying to get MON back is ridiculous, but the stick MON gets on here is stupid. Maybe, as fans, we get what we deserve? (i.e. Shit for many years).
Sometimes I think we could win the league and people on here would still whinge about not winning a cup.
Walking out on a club a couple of days before a season starts is a genuine disgrace. He knew what he was doing all the Summer the crafty little shit. He deserves fuck all but abuse from this fan base. Very ,Very average manager. Twat of a person.
Didn't he successfully sue the club post his exit ?
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I know trying to get MON back is ridiculous, but the stick MON gets on here is stupid. Maybe, as fans, we get what we deserve? (i.e. Shit for many years).
Sometimes I think we could win the league and people on here would still whinge about not winning a cup.
He did and he walked off with a nice cheque too!
Walking out on a club a couple of days before a season starts is a genuine disgrace. He knew what he was doing all the Summer the crafty little shit. He deserves fuck all but abuse from this fan base. Very ,Very average manager. Twat of a person.
Didn't he successfully sue the club post his exit ?
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I know trying to get MON back is ridiculous, but the stick MON gets on here is stupid. Maybe, as fans, we get what we deserve? (i.e. Shit for many years).
Sometimes I think we could win the league and people on here would still whinge about not winning a cup.
Walking out on a club a couple of days before a season starts is a genuine disgrace. He knew what he was doing all the Summer the crafty little shit. He deserves fuck all but abuse from this fan base. Very ,Very average manager. Twat of a person.
Didn't he successfully sue the club post his exit ?
Please tell me that comment is with tongue firmly in cheek!
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If you keep playing with fire, you end up with a pink face and a jumper that smells of smoke
Indeed. I once caught fire after pouring petrol on an open fire and escaped without any burns at all. Jumper had a few holes in it mind.
https://youtu.be/Yb_XNb0zc4s
Distinctly amateurish effort that.
This is playing with fire.
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Fuck me, is that a Dragon?
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In other news - Elvis is dead
no way!!!!!!! when
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Gus Poyet second favourite on Oddschecker.
Jesus wept.
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I know trying to get MON back is ridiculous, but the stick MON gets on here is stupid. Maybe, as fans, we get what we deserve? (i.e. Shit for many years).
Sometimes I think we could win the league and people on here would still whinge about not winning a cup.
Walking out on a club a couple of days before a season starts is a genuine disgrace. He knew what he was doing all the Summer the crafty little shit. He deserves fuck all but abuse from this fan base. Very ,Very average manager. Twat of a person.
Thank-you...I bet you complained when we let a goal in after we beat Blues 5-1.
Has it ever been documented why he left? Has anyone proved he knew he was going to leave all Summer?
And three 6th finishes is average? Is it really?
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No, just a properly designed tank. In the case of a fire inside the tank, the normal venting system can't cope, so they build the roof with one side deliberately welded with a weaker seam so that when the pressure builds up it does that.
To give some perspective, I'd estimate that tank to be 55-60m in diameter.
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Poyet who managed a team that we beat 4 nil and Gabby scored twice against. Who was the other French guy we wanted?
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I appear to have stumbled into some parallel universe where "Can Carew Be Bothered?" (ie someone who chose to have a deliberately miserable username even when we were doing well) is accusing other posters of being negative.
Three sixth placed finishes for a team that were always among the top three spenders is okay. Not amazing though.
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I cannot believe people are serious about O'Neill. The bloke shit on us from a very great height, having saddled us with past it players on hugely OTT salaries, which has had a massive bearing on where we are now. He's a weasel to whom I will never be grateful, regardless of what he achieved. In short, he can bollocks.
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I know trying to get MON back is ridiculous, but the stick MON gets on here is stupid. Maybe, as fans, we get what we deserve? (i.e. Shit for many years).
Sometimes I think we could win the league and people on here would still whinge about not winning a cup.
Walking out on a club a couple of days before a season starts is a genuine disgrace. He knew what he was doing all the Summer the crafty little shit. He deserves fuck all but abuse from this fan base. Very ,Very average manager. Twat of a person.
Thank-you...I bet you complained when we let a goal in after we beat Blues 5-1.
Has it ever been documented why he left? Has anyone proved he knew he was going to leave all Summer?
And three 6th finishes is average? Is it really?
For the money he spent, those last 2 years I'd say below average.
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For the wages without doubt. No resale value the vast majority and stupid contacts. He was the man that pushed the first domino over
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No I rejoiced when we hammered the Blues and I fumed when that little shit walked and stuck two fingers up at the club. And yes, 3 6th places is average when you had the spending power we did.
Moyes finished above him 2 out of 3 years.
Redknapp finished above him.
Blackburn finished within 2 pts of us
Portsmouth finished within 3 pts of us
We had pots of gold and bought players like Knight, Harewood, Heskey, ahh fuck it it's been done before. He blew it big time with us, the myth was truly exposed.
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Gus Poyet second favourite on Oddschecker.
Jesus wept.
I would say no chance but this is Lerner and Fox we're talking about, could be another famous brain wave of theirs. I doubt it though.
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In any case, we'd never get O'Neill. He's such a good manager I assume he must be at Real Madrid or Bayern Munich and we could never afford the compensation.
No wait... he got sacked by Sunderland and is now managing a team recently coached by such luminaries as Brian Kerr and Steve Staunton.
That doesn't make sense? Maybe he really isn't that great?... Maybe managing a team which spends an absolute fortune and panders to your every ludicrous Heskeyan whim isn't as difficult as nuclear fusion after all?
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Rather than panic , I'd rather just run with KMac for a period of time
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I reckon Garde will still come.
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I reckon Garde will still come.
Me too.
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I want somebody with experience who has been through good and bad times. I think an issue with Lambert was that he had never dealt with a rough ride and couldn't cope. Sherwood had hardly any experience, good or bad, so was just clueless when it came to trying to stop a decline. Neither had good coaches either.
My issue with Garde is that he only has 3-4 years in management. French mates reckon he is ok, but Lyon were not the force of old under him. They are not sure he would be right for the premier league - they compare French managers who come here with Wenger and Houllier ( the Liverpool version ).
We should have offered Sherwood a contract to keep us up last season with a subsequent pay off and then brought in somebody who could prepare for this season.
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"We should still love MON" brought to you by the bloke that said we had no chance of beating Liverpool and found it laughable that anyone thought we could.
MON is a ****** and I hope to fuck he is never employed by this club again the fucking wanker.
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"We should still love MON" brought to you by the bloke that said we had no chance of beating Liverpool and found it laughable that anyone thought we could.
MON is a c*** and I hope to fuck he is never employed by this club again the fucking wanker.
Yep.
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Silhil I'm still waiting for an answer.
Or are you going to run chicken shit like you are with Chris Jameson on another thread?
Do you ever engage your brain before posting?
Why do you even ask that question as you know the answer!
Its VD remember, special needs ;)
And what the fuck is that supposed to mean?
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I reckon Poyet is 2ND favorite because sky said he's in the race so money goes on him. Nothing more. If he does come I'm totally finished with the lot of em
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A damning piece in The Mirror by Dave Kidd concludes:
Garde did a decent but unspectacular job as Lyon manager but his likely appointment is regarded as one designed to best safeguard the positions of Fox, Almstadt and Riley – a compliant ‘head coach’ who could be expected to make the most of Villa’s summer foray into the French market.
Good luck with that.
There’ll be few tears shed for Sherwood, and with a £2million pay-off why should there be?
As for MON ..a man who gave Habibe Beye 40 odd grand a week only to play a centre back at right back ..no thanks that asshole left us in the shit then proceeded to do the same to Sunderland.A man whose fabled man management skills seemingly consisted of purchasing average players giving them huge wages and telling them they were world beaters.
But while Villa are run by self-interested middle managers, who seem incapable of trusting their own instincts, they are heading towards the Championship. And deservedly so.
Aston Villa have been smothered by a lack of ambition and are mismanaging their way into the Championship (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-been-smothered-lack-6710076)
They must learn to compete with the top flight’s well-run smaller clubs such as Southampton, Swansea, Stoke, Crystal Palace and even Leicester – all of whom are light years ahead in terms of management structure and recruitment policy.
Stoke - Adama
Leicester -Veratout
We did follow those smaller clubs and brought players they wanted !
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A damning piece in The Mirror by Dave Kidd concludes:
Garde did a decent but unspectacular job as Lyon manager but his likely appointment is regarded as one designed to best safeguard the positions of Fox, Almstadt and Riley – a compliant ‘head coach’ who could be expected to make the most of Villa’s summer foray into the French market.
Good luck with that.
There’ll be few tears shed for Sherwood, and with a £2million pay-off why should there be?
But while Villa are run by self-interested middle managers, who seem incapable of trusting their own instincts, they are heading towards the Championship. And deservedly so.
Aston Villa have been smothered by a lack of ambition and are mismanaging their way into the Championship (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-been-smothered-lack-6710076)
It might be damning if it wasn't full of inaccuracies. For example:
"The word inside Villa is that Sherwood felt compelled to play his new recruits at the start of the season but quickly became convinced that many were not up to Premier League standard."
Even though we got most of our points at the start, when they were playing. I see it's also open season on Jordan Veretout.
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Jordan Veretout was a player a lot of people got very excited about and really wanted to sign. He was starting to look good until he recently disappeared from the squad. I hope whoever takes over lets this guy get a good run in the side. I feel the same with Ayew, a good run in the team in the right position and we have two very good players.
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Veretout who was very slowly introduced, looked decent against Stoke (arguably our best player) but then completely out of the squad by the time the next home game hit.
I firmly believe Sherwood knew he was a goner and was trying to make a point with him returning to the old guard of Premiership has beens for the final match. Surprised he didn't go the whole hog and drop Gueye for Westwood or would that have been to obvious? Maybe I'm just thinking up conspiracy theories, but none of his decisions the last couple of weeks made any sense to me.
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Veretout who Leicester were desperate to get and gutted they didn't and who most french pundits agreed was a coup for us to sign as he was above our level. I grant you he has not been anywhere close to that yet, but he was near on our best player in the ill devised 3-5-2 against Stoke, should have had a penalty, and has been left out the last 2 squads. I think a change of manager who is not going to be so petty about who signed who is a start. Quite clearly Amavi, Veretout, Ayew, Gana and Traore are all very talented, just need some bloody tactical plan!
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Veretout may not be good be enough, I think he will be fine for what it's worth, but the stick he is getting is ridiculous. He's 22 and started 3 games in a new league in a new country. He'll hardly be the first player to take a bit of time to get up to speed.
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Of course, the meejah are piling in and making the most of our predicament, exploiting every angle. At least there is no talk of sheets, banners and marches on Vila Park.
I note with interest that this snippet from Lambo's 5 Live interview is circulating in the Twittersphere.
I spoke to Lukaku, Bony and Eriksen. I tried to bring them in but we couldn't it do due to the way things were.
What annoys me about this is he would say very similar things, if less explicitly, directly after categorically denying there was a wages cap or anything like it.
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Veretout may not be good be enough, I think he will be fine for what it's worth, but the stick he is getting is ridiculous. He's 22 and started 3 games in a new league in a new country. He'll hardly be the first player to take a bit of time to get up to speed.
Wasn't given a chance by Sherwood. I am not saying he should have started him every game but should have been on the bench and brought on to get him up to speed.
I tend to agree with a previous poster in that I think Sherwood had an agenda not to play the new players. Which when you take into account rubbishing most of the squad after the cup final, shows that he is not cut out to be a club manager.
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Talking about never being given a chance...Ilori has had no involvement whatsoever. Crespo's barely been given a look and when he did, he changed the shape of the side and the defence twice - before the game and again at half time.
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For the wages without doubt. No resale value the vast majority and stupid contacts. He was the man that pushed the first domino over
Good analogy.
Lerner has made some poor decisions but without keeping on putting more money in post-MON, we could have done a Leeds or Portsmouth.
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That Gourcennec guy reading his history looks like a pretty decent shout if Garde doesn't take it.
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I have no doubt that if Garde wants to join us and we want him a deal will be struck. Money will change hands as compensation is agreed and we will get our man. Everything else is noise and speculation. He ticks every box that the club would be looking for and I am sure without being any kind of ITK that he'll be our manager.
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I know trying to get MON back is ridiculous, but the stick MON gets on here is stupid. Maybe, as fans, we get what we deserve? (i.e. Shit for many years).
The only thing worse than MON's character was his football. Given the amount of money he was given he probably ranks as our most tactically clueless manager. And the twat was always saying how bloody "exceptional" we were. WTF.
"We beat the Rags 5-1". Big fucking deal. We were Top 3 spenders or there about for most of his time here.
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That Gourcennec guy reading his history looks like a pretty decent shout if Garde doesn't take it.
Her record it very similar to Lambert pre-Villa. Difference is, she seems to understand a thing or two about tactics.
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Time for the people that matter at Villa Park to take their time and ensure this appointment is scrutinized to the 10th degree, do not bring anyone in who we now cannot meet their requirements, all it does is allow for excuses further down the line if it goes tits up. If it is Garde, but we cannot for whatever reason get the people he wants around him, let's look elsewhere.
We are on 4 points, I believe 37 will again keep teams up, so that is 33 out of a possible 84 available, I know we have not done that for a while, but that is why we are looking for a new manager again, let's make sure from proper research and taking our time, not knee jerk reaction to the doom and gloom brigade that is us the fans the new guy has the ability to gain a minimum of those 33 points and lay the foundations for this shit to stop come May 2016.
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I listened to the guardian podcast last night and the french journalist had this to say:
1. Wasn't surprised that Sherwood was found out (interesting that his views seem to be the polar opposite to the ex-pro/british pundits).
2. Garde would be a good appointment.
3. Lyon wanted to keep him but he wanted a Guardiola style sabbatical.
4. His football is easier on the eye than Lambert and is more thoughtful than Sherwood.
5. He was known as the Ambassador at Arsenal (Wenger wanted him as a conduit between the french and english speaking players).
6. Best thought of as a long term appointment.
7. Became Lyon manager when they were in a similar position to Villa.
8. Season 1 - Won cup in first season, Season 2 - getting through the group in the champions league was considered a miracle by french press.
9. Good working with young players
10. The other pundits were admittedly critical of our signings "spent enough but lacked nous".
He ticks as lot of boxes and appears to align well with our recent transfers and strategy. Hopefully this demonstrates that the club now has some sort of footballing influence at the top levels.
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Although Garde looks like a forward thinking appointment with plenty of potential I can't help but think we need to take the safe option. For me that would be Moyes, as it's a big ask to expect a manager with no premiership experience to come in and hit the ground running.
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AND I'M STILL WAITING FOR AN ANSWER SILHIL
Silhil I'm still waiting for an answer.
Or are you going to run chicken shit like you are with Chris Jameson on another thread?
Do you ever engage your brain before posting?
Why do you even ask that question as you know the answer!
Its VD remember, special needs ;)
And what the fuck is that supposed to mean?
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AND I'M STILL WAITING FOR AN ANSWER SILHIL
Silhil I'm still waiting for an answer.
Or are you going to run chicken shit like you are with Chris Jameson on another thread?
Do you ever engage your brain before posting?
Why do you even ask that question as you know the answer!
Its VD remember, special needs ;)
And what the fuck is that supposed to mean?
Eh?
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How do you mean, bad? Are you not going to be able to warn us any more. I really would miss your Woe, Woe and thrice Woe.
My fear is around which sane , quality manager would come? I think we are very much in what i would call a sub prime managerial search , or someone unhinged like Pearson or Ranieri
Do you ever engage your brain before posting?
What it means is you want to dish abuse you will get it back. If you can't take it don't dish it .
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Good morning everybody.I am sure that Garde will come with people he knows well from Arsenal at Villa Park .Of course he wants his mates with him to tell him he is doing a wonderful job, they all do.Either Garde or Moyes would be acceptable. But Moyes will not come simply because he he wouldn't agree to having someone else buying his players for him.So its Garde probably announce it next week.
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I'm hoping we stop the comitee, I'm sure Sherwood couldn't be trusted but if you're putting a manager in charge then you should let them bring in their own targets
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Dwight Yorke is doing his coaching badges, has a feel for the club and reckons he can do no worse than Sherwood.
Er Yes you can Dwight - see Terry Connor at Wolves.
Obviously would like to hear and understand those fans calling for a 'Villa' Man to be put in charge as to whether Yorkie fits the profile.
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He's a badge kissing ****** and he can fuck off
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I wouldn't go that far, but whenever this is mentioned in the media it's always prefixed with the words 'Manchester United legend....' So it's a no from me.
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I know trying to get MON back is ridiculous, but the stick MON gets on here is stupid. Maybe, as fans, we get what we deserve? (i.e. Shit for many years).
The only thing worse than MON's character was his football. Given the amount of money he was given he probably ranks as our most tactically clueless manager. And the twat was always saying how bloody "exceptional" we were. WTF.
"We beat the Rags 5-1". Big fucking deal. We were Top 3 spenders or there about for most of his time here.
What utter crap.
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I'm hoping we stop the comitee, I'm sure Sherwood couldn't be trusted but if you're putting a manager in charge then you should let them bring in their own targets
Quite Phil What is the point. of having a manager if you are going work like that . Might as well let the coach do it and save the Manager's salary.
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maybe as others have pointed out in an 'Unsolved Mysteries' kind of way, they were Garde's picks all along?
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I have no doubt that if Garde wants to join us and we want him a deal will be struck. Money will change hands as compensation is agreed and we will get our man. Everything else is noise and speculation. He ticks every box that the club would be looking for and I am sure without being any kind of ITK that he'll be our manager.
I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact he's not gone elsewhere in the past for the same reasons apparently
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How do you mean, bad? Are you not going to be able to warn us any more. I really would miss your Woe, Woe and thrice Woe.
My fear is around which sane , quality manager would come? I think we are very much in what i would call a sub prime managerial search , or someone unhinged like Pearson or Ranieri
Do you ever engage your brain before posting?
What it means is you want to dish abuse you will get it back. If you can't take it don't dish it .
Let's say that everybody has got their swift, below-the-belt punch in and we all move on.
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I have no doubt that if Garde wants to join us and we want him a deal will be struck. Money will change hands as compensation is agreed and we will get our man. Everything else is noise and speculation. He ticks every box that the club would be looking for and I am sure without being any kind of ITK that he'll be our manager.
I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact he's not gone elsewhere in the past for the same reasons apparently
Philippe Auclair seemed pretty sure that it was still going to happen and that he's going to be our next manager.
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The Ranieiri that is currently doing very well at Leicester - I tipped them for the bottom 5 but he has clearly done something right there.
I hope plan B for Garde is sensible. A lurch from Garde to Pearson would be into Martinez to McLeish territory.
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How do you mean, bad? Are you not going to be able to warn us any more. I really would miss your Woe, Woe and thrice Woe.
My fear is around which sane , quality manager would come? I think we are very much in what i would call a sub prime managerial search , or someone unhinged like Pearson or Ranieri
Do you ever engage your brain before posting?
What it means is you want to dish abuse you will get it back. If you can't take it don't dish it .
I asked you if you engaged your brain because you'd given a ridiculous example of pairing Ranieri with Pearson and calling him (Ranieri) unhinged - which you've conveniently edited out by the way.
You reply is to call me special needs, which unless things have changed since I was living in the UK was a particularly nasty insult for anyone with learning disabilities.
Now given that my son is autistic, and there are several other posters on here with children with either autism or ADHD type diagnoses, plus several posters, myself included, who have been quite open in the past about suffering from depressive illnesses, that is definitely abuse, not just to me, but to a fair few people on here and a good chunk of society in general. Putting a wanky smiley at the end of a post doesn't alter it. Or maybe it was missing a comma?
I asked, and have asked on several occasions questions as to your intellect, based on your at times absurd posts and happily admit at times to have done it in a quite condescending manner.
Now can you figuratively go and find a dictionary to look up the difference between abuse and an insult, but don't run accidentally run down any traffic police on your way to the library.
And if I really wanted to abuse you you'd know about it.
EDIT - Sorry Dave (moderator). Had already posted before I saw your post.
I'll try and ignore his posts from now on.
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That Gourcennec guy reading his history looks like a pretty decent shout if Garde doesn't take it.
Ignoring the last sentence, he sounds good - http://www.espnfc.co.uk/blog/espn-fc-united-blog/68/post/2291796/jocelyn-gourvennec-guingamps-answer-to-jurgen-klopp
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Dwight Yorke is doing his coaching badges, has a feel for the club and reckons he can do no worse than Sherwood.
Er Yes you can Dwight - see Terry Connor at Wolves.
Obviously would like to hear and understand those fans calling for a 'Villa' Man to be put in charge as to whether Yorkie fits the profile.
You don't throw a student driver the keys to your Rolls Royce.
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We have done in the past
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Flores at Watford would do well in our current setup. Head coach style and all that.
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We have done in the past
Yep and it's not worked out very well.
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We are in no position to take chances at this time. Out of all the names above, Moyes is the only person that would guarantee us staying up this year.
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We are in no position to take chances at this time. Out of all the names above, Moyes is the only person that would guarantee us staying up this year.
No one would guarantee us staying up this year.
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We are in no position to take chances at this time. Out of all the names above, Moyes is the only person that would guarantee us staying up this year.
Noone would guarantee us staying up this year.
Yes you are right, there is no guarantee, but if you had to put your house on it, would you take a punt on the rest?
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Dwight Yorke is doing his coaching badges, has a feel for the club and reckons he can do no worse than Sherwood.
Er Yes you can Dwight - see Terry Connor at Wolves.
Obviously would like to hear and understand those fans calling for a 'Villa' Man to be put in charge as to whether Yorkie fits the profile.
You don't throw a student driver the keys to your Rolls Royce.
Frankly, The Villa are more like a knackered old Jag these days. It makes it all the more vital that the new driver also knows how to carry out the necessary urgent repairs in order to get it back on the road. A few quid for essential replacement parts wouldn't go amiss either...
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Dwight Yorke is doing his coaching badges, has a feel for the club and reckons he can do no worse than Sherwood.
Er Yes you can Dwight - see Terry Connor at Wolves.
Obviously would like to hear and understand those fans calling for a 'Villa' Man to be put in charge as to whether Yorkie fits the profile.
You don't throw a student driver the keys to your Rolls Royce.
Giving Lambert a new contract last season was like handing a Faberge egg to a chimpanzee.
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We are in no position to take chances at this time. Out of all the names above, Moyes is the only person that would guarantee us staying up this year.
Noone would guarantee us staying up this year.
Who is this Noone? Let's get him in
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Peter the Hermins Herberts guy
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We are in no position to take chances at this time. Out of all the names above, Moyes is the only person that would guarantee us staying up this year.
Noone would guarantee us staying up this year.
Who is this Noone? Let's get him in
He'd better have Something Good to offer.
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Dwight Yorke is doing his coaching badges, has a feel for the club and reckons he can do no worse than Sherwood.
Er Yes you can Dwight - see Terry Connor at Wolves.
Obviously would like to hear and understand those fans calling for a 'Villa' Man to be put in charge as to whether Yorkie fits the profile.
You don't throw a student driver the keys to your Rolls Royce.
Giving Lambert a new contract last season was like handing a Faberge egg to a chimpanzee.
Laughing at that has just got me strange looks in the office.
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We are in no position to take chances at this time. Out of all the names above, Moyes is the only person that would guarantee us staying up this year.
Noone would guarantee us staying up this year.
Who is this Noone? Let's get him in
Missed the space!
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We are in no position to take chances at this time. Out of all the names above, Moyes is the only person that would guarantee us staying up this year.
Noone would guarantee us staying up this year.
Who is this Noone? Let's get him in
Plays for Cardiff, pretty crap, not sure he's ready for management just yet.
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We are in no position to take chances at this time. Out of all the names above, Moyes is the only person that would guarantee us staying up this year.
Noone would guarantee us staying up this year.
Yes you are right, there is no guarantee, but if you had to put your house on it, would you take a punt on the rest?
To be honest at this stage, I'd rather we took some risk with the potential of a greater reward. I'm not just talking in terms of results, but also entertainment. I think I'd like us to look at a long term project, which Garde appears to be, rather than thinking this manager can save us now and the future will take care of itself. Clearly that has the potential to go wrong, but our short termism 'strategy' has been an utter failure too. Taking everything else away, I'd like a manager who makes me enjoy watching Villa again.
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I don't think it's beyond us to stay up this season, whoever the manager is. Take it step by step.
1. Stop making unforced errors that get us beaten. Strategic, tactical, losing the ball in dangerous positions.
2. Get a bit of confidence back. Draw a difficult game everyone expects us to lose.
3. Win a game.
4. Win another, get off the bottom of the table.
5. Set our sights on the team fourth from bottom and outperform them.
Set yourself simple goals and tick them off one by one. It's the only way. In the meantime you have to ignore the background noise from people like us, and Collymore, and that Stripey knob who writes about Villa in the Mail. It's not easy but it can be done.
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Justin Edinburgh in from 66/1 to 4s on some sites. Someone is having a bit of fun with £20 on the odds.
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Does anyone think there could be more to this theory that Garde was courted during the summer on the chance that TS would fail and that he could have been instrumental in the player selection?
From what I have read about him and his methods I would like to have given him a chance if we had some mid table security - to come in untried and inexperienced as a coach in the "take no prisoners" premiership, whilst we are rock bottom of the league I am not so sure
I really fear this next move could be a catalyst for our future
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Dwight Yorke is doing his coaching badges, has a feel for the club and reckons he can do no worse than Sherwood.
Er Yes you can Dwight - see Terry Connor at Wolves.
Obviously would like to hear and understand those fans calling for a 'Villa' Man to be put in charge as to whether Yorkie fits the profile.
You don't throw a student driver the keys to your Rolls Royce.
Giving Lambert a new contract last season was like handing a Faberge egg to a chimpanzee.
Laughing at that has just got me strange looks in the office.
I thought the gilding was eggcellent.
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I know trying to get MON back is ridiculous, but the stick MON gets on here is stupid. Maybe, as fans, we get what we deserve? (i.e. Shit for many years).
The only thing worse than MON's character was his football. Given the amount of money he was given he probably ranks as our most tactically clueless manager. And the twat was always saying how bloody "exceptional" we were. WTF.
"We beat the Rags 5-1". Big fucking deal. We were Top 3 spenders or there about for most of his time here.
Wasn't it 71 goals in his first season? Only 9 less than Man Utd?
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I know trying to get MON back is ridiculous, but the stick MON gets on here is stupid. Maybe, as fans, we get what we deserve? (i.e. Shit for many years).
The only thing worse than MON's character was his football. Given the amount of money he was given he probably ranks as our most tactically clueless manager. And the twat was always saying how bloody "exceptional" we were. WTF.
"We beat the Rags 5-1". Big fucking deal. We were Top 3 spenders or there about for most of his time here.
Wasn't it 71 goals in his first season? Only 9 less than Man Utd?
2nd season - managed 60 points as well.
The same as DOL in his first season.
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Justin Edinburgh in from 66/1 to 4s on some sites. Someone is having a bit of fun with £20 on the odds.
I saw this too Ozz, and it made me worried.
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We are in no position to take chances at this time. Out of all the names above, Moyes is the only person that would guarantee us staying up this year.
Noone would guarantee us staying up this year.
Who is this Noone? Let's get him in
Plays for Cardiff, pretty crap, not sure he's ready for management just yet.
I saw him a good few times when he was at Brighton. He was a quick & skilful winger, but had nowt in the way of an end product.
I'm surprised Timmy didn't bring him to The Villa in the Summer.
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Does anyone think there could be more to this theory that Garde was courted during the summer on the chance that TS would fail and that he could have been instrumental in the player selection?
From what I have read about him and his methods I would like to have given him a chance if we had some mid table security - to come in untried and inexperienced as a coach in the "take no prisoners" premiership, whilst we are rock bottom of the league I am not so sure
I really fear this next move could be a catalyst for our future
Interesting that Ian Wright (who rarely talks and sense) speaks of Garde as a very calming, quiet, deep thinking man. Well worth a shot I reckon.
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We are in no position to take chances at this time. Out of all the names above, Moyes is the only person that would guarantee us staying up this year.
Noone would guarantee us staying up this year.
Yes you are right, there is no guarantee, but if you had to put your house on it, would you take a punt on the rest?
To be honest at this stage, I'd rather we took some risk with the potential of a greater reward. I'm not just talking in terms of results, but also entertainment. I think I'd like us to look at a long term project, which Garde appears to be, rather than thinking this manager can save us now and the future will take care of itself. Clearly that has the potential to go wrong, but our short termism 'strategy' has been an utter failure too. Taking everything else away, I'd like a manager who makes me enjoy watching Villa again.
I am in total agreement with this. The idea of appointing a Moyes, an Allardyce, a Pulis, a Pardew, a Bruce and have us plodding around between 8th and 14th ad infinitum doesn't inspire me at all. I was hoping the appointment would be someone with top flight but not Premier League experience and Remi Garde fits the bill for me and I'd be disappointed not to get him now.
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Does anyone think there could be more to this theory that Garde was courted during the summer on the chance that TS would fail and that he could have been instrumental in the player selection?
From what I have read about him and his methods I would like to have given him a chance if we had some mid table security - to come in untried and inexperienced as a coach in the "take no prisoners" premiership, whilst we are rock bottom of the league I am not so sure
I really fear this next move could be a catalyst for our future
Interesting that Ian Wright (who rarely talks and sense) speaks of Garde as a very calming, quiet, deep thinking man. Well worth a shot I reckon.
The last thing the players need is another shouter or motivational speaker. Sometimes a whisper is louder than shout if delivered intelligently. We need a bit of thought and calm now.
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We are in no position to take chances at this time. Out of all the names above, Moyes is the only person that would guarantee us staying up this year.
Noone would guarantee us staying up this year.
Who is this Noone? Let's get him in
Plays for Cardiff, pretty crap, not sure he's ready for management just yet.
I saw him a good few times when he was at Brighton. He was a quick & skilful winger, but had nowt in the way of an end product.
I'm surprised Timmy didn't bring him to The Villa in the Summer.
Timmy wanted him but his coefficient on the moneyball calculation wasn't high enough.
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We are in no position to take chances at this time. Out of all the names above, Moyes is the only person that would guarantee us staying up this year.
Noone would guarantee us staying up this year.
Who is this Noone? Let's get him in
Plays for Cardiff, pretty crap, not sure he's ready for management just yet.
I saw him a good few times when he was at Brighton. He was a quick & skilful winger, but had nowt in the way of an end product.
I'm surprised Timmy didn't bring him to The Villa in the Summer.
Timmy wanted him but his coefficient on the moneyball calculation wasn't high enough.
Aha, that'll be it then. Thanks for clearing up that mystery today - as his unfathomable omission from the legion of haplessness in our ranks has given me many a sleepless night, I can tell you.
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We are in no position to take chances at this time. Out of all the names above, Moyes is the only person that would guarantee us staying up this year.
Noone would guarantee us staying up this year.
Who is this Noone? Let's get him in
Plays for Cardiff, pretty crap, not sure he's ready for management just yet.
I saw him a good few times when he was at Brighton. He was a quick & skilful winger, but had nowt in the way of an end product.
I'm surprised Timmy didn't bring him to The Villa in the Summer.
Timmy wanted him but his coefficient on the moneyball calculation wasn't high enough.
Aha, that'll be it then. Thanks for clearing up that mystery today - as his unfathomable omission from the legion of haplessness in our ranks has given me many a sleepless night, I can tell you.
You cannot say legion of hapless on here. Apologise.
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Whoever comes in, Garde, Moyes, Rodgers, Redknapp, Pearson, the biggest and single most important ability they must bring is clarity of vision, and the longer they see our situation clearly the better they will manage us.
A new manager has to see what we have been seeing for five years and act on what he (maybe she) sees. He has to see N'Zogbia running down blind alleys with his head down, Westwood failing to track runners, Kozak at least deserving a few minutes off the bench, Gestede not getting square on in aerial challenges so at best the ball skids off the side of his head at worst missing it altogether, Gabby's weight, Richardson's lack of stamina, Lescott's half arsed attitude, Guzan's refusal to vary his kicking and his inability to throw out quickly.
What has been missing in the periods of management of McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood is failure to address the blindingly obvious with the inevitable result that the team punches three stones below its weight. For five long years less than the sum of its parts.
Any half competent manager should be able to fix that.
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We are in no position to take chances at this time. Out of all the names above, Moyes is the only person that would guarantee us staying up this year.
Noone would guarantee us staying up this year.
Who is this Noone? Let's get him in
Plays for Cardiff, pretty crap, not sure he's ready for management just yet.
I saw him a good few times when he was at Brighton. He was a quick & skilful winger, but had nowt in the way of an end product.
I'm surprised Timmy didn't bring him to The Villa in the Summer.
Timmy wanted him but his coefficient on the moneyball calculation wasn't high enough.
Aha, that'll be it then. Thanks for clearing up that mystery today - as his unfathomable omission from the legion of haplessness in our ranks has given me many a sleepless night, I can tell you.
You cannot say legion of hapless on here. Apologise.
Don't panic! I deliberately used a small 'L', so as not to cast any nasturtiums. That said, I'm deeply sorry if I caused any (unintentional) offence to the H&V head honcho. You can all rest assured that today's self-flagellation sessions will be even more unrestrained as a result. ;)
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Is Legion the H&V head honcho?
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Is Legion the H&V head honcho?
He was, remember when the site went down and 3 days worth of posts got lost? He was trying to clear his inbox.
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Justin Edinburgh has now been linked.
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Hate to say it , but Pearson might be the best shot of keeping us up, as long as doesn't go nuts too often. He knows what needs to be done.
Moyes isn't going to come, and there seem to be issues with Garde's staff.
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Whoever comes in they need to be able to organise a back four, pick a settled side and sign a striker.
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Hate to say it , but Pearson might be the best shot of keeping us up, as long as doesn't go nuts too often. He knows what needs to be done.
Whereas everybody else is just going to turn up with no idea?
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We are in no position to take chances at this time. Out of all the names above, Moyes is the only person that would guarantee us staying up this year.
Noone would guarantee us staying up this year.
Yes you are right, there is no guarantee, but if you had to put your house on it, would you take a punt on the rest?
To be honest at this stage, I'd rather we took some risk with the potential of a greater reward. I'm not just talking in terms of results, but also entertainment. I think I'd like us to look at a long term project, which Garde appears to be, rather than thinking this manager can save us now and the future will take care of itself. Clearly that has the potential to go wrong, but our short termism 'strategy' has been an utter failure too. Taking everything else away, I'd like a manager who makes me enjoy watching Villa again.
I am in total agreement with this. The idea of appointing a Moyes, an Allardyce, a Pulis, a Pardew, a Bruce and have us plodding around between 8th and 14th ad infinitum doesn't inspire me at all. I was hoping the appointment would be someone with top flight but not Premier League experience and Remi Garde fits the bill for me and I'd be disappointed not to get him now.
I think Moyes in a few rungs above the Brits you site in all honesty. The others wouldn't come in any case.
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Whoever comes in, Garde, Moyes, Rodgers, Redknapp, Pearson, the biggest and single most important ability they must bring is clarity of vision, and the longer they see our situation clearly the better they will manage us.
A new manager has to see what we have been seeing for five years and act on what he (maybe she) sees. He has to see N'Zogbia running down blind alleys with his head down, Westwood failing to track runners, Kozak at least deserving a few minutes off the bench, Gestede not getting square on in aerial challenges so at best the ball skids off the side of his head at worst missing it altogether, Gabby's weight, Richardson's lack of stamina, Lescott's half arsed attitude, Guzan's refusal to vary his kicking and his inability to throw out quickly.
What has been missing in the periods of management of McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood is failure to address the blindingly obvious with the inevitable result that the team punches three stones below its weight. For five long years less than the sum of its parts.
Any half competent manager should be able to fix that.
Quite correct - there are some basics, not the occasional individual error which all teams have, which if addressed can glean us 5 or 6 more points per season alone. That could be critical this year.
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Whoever comes in, Garde, Moyes, Rodgers, Redknapp, Pearson, the biggest and single most important ability they must bring is clarity of vision, and the longer they see our situation clearly the better they will manage us.
A new manager has to see what we have been seeing for five years and act on what he (maybe she) sees. He has to see N'Zogbia running down blind alleys with his head down, Westwood failing to track runners, Kozak at least deserving a few minutes off the bench, Gestede not getting square on in aerial challenges so at best the ball skids off the side of his head at worst missing it altogether, Gabby's weight, Richardson's lack of stamina, Lescott's half arsed attitude, Guzan's refusal to vary his kicking and his inability to throw out quickly.
What has been missing in the periods of management of McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood is failure to address the blindingly obvious with the inevitable result that the team punches three stones below its weight. For five long years less than the sum of its parts.
Any half competent manager should be able to fix that.
I'd agree with all of that. It's a decent analysis. I still don't want Moyes though I don't think he'd see half of that...it was equally obvious whre the problem areas at Man Ure were and he bought Fellaini.
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Remi Garde would do a fantastic job at villa, you cant compare him to all the dross we'v had recently.
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Remi Garde would do a fantastic job at villa, you cant compare him to all the dross we'v had recently.
Isn't that what we'v spent the last seventy two pages doing?
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Agreed. I want a new broom to sweep us clean. Of course I want us to stay up but I think the chances of that are better trying to regain some pride in ourselves.
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Agreed. I want a new broom to sweep us clean. Of course I want us to stay up but I think the chances of that are better trying to regain some pride in ourselves.
Ditto, I want someone to do what Houlier seemed to start but could not finish,this does not involve flying in a failed Moyes from Spain or an aggresive basket case like Pearson.
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Moyes is a decent manager, but I'd prefer a totally new approach, some modern thinking in our tactics.
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Remi Garde will be the Avant Garde.
I don't think we're that terrible that a tweak of the team wouldn't have us out of trouble by Christmas. We're not shipping in shed loads of goals as we are. If we cut out the errors and with a bit of luck we should have enough in us to survive. Garde can then go from there.
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Moyes is a decent manager, but I'd prefer a totally new approach, some modern thinking in our tactics.
Exactly.
We've spent the best part of the 21st century pretending we're still in the 1980's with some of our tactics (and the 1880's in some of Lambert's more "creative" moments.)
We said when Lambert was booted out, that anyone remotely competent would probably keep that squad up. As it turned out it was someone mostly incompetent that did it. Enough of this shit. Can we please have someone who's remotely up to date and capable of getting the maximum out of this squad.
Until then, any debate as to whether the squad is good enough is null and void.
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Moyes. Never been a massive fan but I think he's what we need right now, he would get everyone pulling in the same direction, and would make us more solid and hard to beat. In our situation i think we definitely need someone with Premier League experience. The last thing you want in a scrap and a dogfight is a French bloke.
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Moyes is a decent manager, but I'd prefer a totally new approach, some modern thinking in our tactics.
Ditto
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'Onest 'arry has ruled himself out.
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'Onest 'arry has ruled himself out.
And on that basis so have I.
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'Onest 'arry has ruled himself out.
And on that basis so have I.
I was only prepared to accept if i could bring Risso in as my number two, so on that basis, I too am out.
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'Onest 'arry has ruled himself out.
And on that basis so have I.
I was only prepared to accept if i could bring Risso in as my number two, so on that basis, I too am out.
I am leaning out of my Range Rover as I type to express how flattered I am to be linked but...
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'Onest 'arry has ruled himself out.
And on that basis so have I.
I was only prepared to accept if i could bring Risso in as my number two, so on that basis, I too am out.
I am leaning out of my Range Rover as I type to express how flattered I am to be linked but...
This forum has been such a joke for five years now, we'll never attract a decent poster.
Why would they come here and work under Woodhall's rules?
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Garde too is a gamble, but more of a James-Bond-playing-Baccarat type of gamble than the chucking-your-life-savings-into-a-Roulette-Machine-in-Ladbrokes gambles of the last five years.
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I think showing bravery more often than not reaps the biggest rewards. For that reason im "en Garde" (sorry) If we believe we have enough quality to stay up lets pick the man who looks like he might offer the best chance of long term progression but maybe the least chance of short term survival (by way of the unknown). I cant believe im going to say this but our goal has to be to emulate Southampton, Swansea and Stoke City, all well run, organised cubs with a settled first team, settled manager and good scouting network that will offer both players to win now and players with potential to make money on in the future.
I fear that if we pick Pearson or someone of his ilk, we will be sitting here in a year or twos time saying what if we had been braver and gone with Garde? I bloody hate Pearson anyway.
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Ads keeps ringing me to ask me to be his number 2. Sounds like he's in a toilet?
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I think PL may have a valid point re language / communication problems in the dressing room:............Godzvilla!
The Scotsman believes there are severe dressing room language issues at Villa and says that's in part why Tim Sherwood got the boot.
The club brought in a wave of 11 new players over the summer, with five French speakers among them.
According to Paul Lambert, making sure you pick up the language is crucial.
“The dressing room seems to be all mixed languages," he told talkSPORT..
"Looking at Villa at the moment, I’m not so sure a lot of the lads know what’s hit them."
Former Arsenal and Lyon man Garde is the favourite to replace Sherwood, and Lambert thinks it could help having a French speaker at the helm.
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Whoever comes in, Garde, Moyes, Rodgers, Redknapp, Pearson, the biggest and single most important ability they must bring is clarity of vision, and the longer they see our situation clearly the better they will manage us.
That was Sherwood's biggest single biggest failing this season. No one had a clue what his vision was.
A clear vision moving forward will then allow the scouts and other staff can tune their "money-ball machines" and increase their chance of success.
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'Onest 'arry has ruled himself out.
And on that basis so have I.
I was only prepared to accept if i could bring Risso in as my number two, so on that basis, I too am out.
I am leaning out of my Range Rover as I type to express how flattered I am to be linked but...
This forum has been such a joke for five years now, we'll never attract a decent poster.
Why would they come here and work under Woodhall's rules?
The things is everything is going so well in off topic but it just isn't on heroes discussion where it matters.
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'Onest 'arry has ruled himself out.
And on that basis so have I.
I was only prepared to accept if i could bring Risso in as my number two, so on that basis, I too am out.
I am leaning out of my Range Rover as I type to express how flattered I am to be linked but...
This forum has been such a joke for five years now, we'll never attract a decent poster.
Why would they come here and work under Woodhall's rules?
The things is everything is going so well in off topic but it just isn't on heroes discussion where it matters.
We're still stuck posting in the 80's, we need to modernise, introduce avatars and relentless cyber bullying. That kind of thing.
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Hate to say it , but Pearson might be the best shot of keeping us up, as long as doesn't go nuts too often. He knows what needs to be done.
Whereas everybody else is just going to turn up with no idea?
What i meant is that he knows what is needed in a Premier league relegation battle
I'd rather Garde in the long term but...
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Moyes is a decent manager, but I'd prefer a totally new approach, some modern thinking in our tactics.
My expectations are obviously less. I just want a proven decent manager for a refreshing change. No more gambles.
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I don't think it's beyond us to stay up this season, whoever the manager is. Take it step by step.
1. Stop making unforced errors that get us beaten. Strategic, tactical, losing the ball in dangerous positions.
2. Get a bit of confidence back. Draw a difficult game everyone expects us to lose.
3. Win a game.
4. Win another, get off the bottom of the table.
5. Set our sights on the team fourth from bottom and outperform them.
Set yourself simple goals and tick them off one by one. It's the only way. In the meantime you have to ignore the background noise from people like us, and Collymore, and that Stripey knob who writes about Villa in the Mail. It's not easy but it can be done.
Yes exactly. One step at a time. That's way to climb up a mountain. To be honest getting to 4/5 from bottom is not that difficult. We need to improve our performance only marginally to start collecting points.
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Or should I say 'total' gambles.
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Hate to say it , but Pearson might be the best shot of keeping us up, as long as doesn't go nuts too often. He knows what needs to be done.
Whereas everybody else is just going to turn up with no idea?
What i meant is that he knows what is needed in a Premier league relegation battle
I'd rather Garde in the long term but...
Well if that's all that we're looking for, Paul Lambert's successfully fought three 'Premier League relegation battles', without being an unstable nutcase to boot.
Let's get him in.
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The other factor regarding how we get out of this mess is to consider the consequences of how we play under the new manager. If we go safety first and shut up shop we may grind our way to Premiership safety but on the other hand we may only grind our way to 34 points and go down. The other alternative of trying to play good football and develop flair players you may still only swashbuckle your way to 34 points and go down. The difference is that if you go down with a good footballing side you will come straight back. A team of grunt and groan cloggers will simply sink into the swamp of teams trying to clog their way out of the Championship. Unless at some point you accept that good football is winning football you go straight through the trap door into the third tier. There are plenty of us with first hand experience of that scenario.
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Hate to say it , but Pearson might be the best shot of keeping us up, as long as doesn't go nuts too often. He knows what needs to be done.
Whereas everybody else is just going to turn up with no idea?
What i meant is that he knows what is needed in a Premier league relegation battle
I'd rather Garde in the long term but...
Well if that's all that we're looking for, Paul Lambert's successfully fought three 'Premier League relegation battles', without being an unstable nutcase to boot.
Let's get him in.
He's worked with some of the players already, and that one good player he bought spoke French, so it's all good from me.
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Moyes is a decent manager, but I'd prefer a totally new approach, some modern thinking in our tactics.
My expectations are obviously less. I just want a proven decent manager for a refreshing change. No more gambles.
Moyes did well at Everton, but he's been a disaster since.
How many teams does he have to ruin before his managerial skills get disproven?
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IMO, Moyes gives us the greatest chance of avoiding relegation but his glass ceiling is around 5th or 6th.
Garde is a bigger risk and does not guarantee safety, however if things go well for him it appears that his ceiling could be higher than Moyes and the football will be easier on the eye.
I'd still prefer Bielsa, a risk yes, but less of one than Garde. Plus he'd not tolerate any crap from anyone and I think we need that unwavering focus to get Villa back to where we should be.
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We are in no position to take chances at this time. Out of all the names above, Moyes is the only person that would guarantee us staying up this year.
Noone would guarantee us staying up this year.
Who is this Noone? Let's get him in
Missed the space!
I know mate. At least you lightened the mood.
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'Onest 'arry has ruled himself out.
And on that basis so have I.
I was only prepared to accept if i could bring Risso in as my number two, so on that basis, I too am out.
I am leaning out of my Range Rover as I type to express how flattered I am to be linked but...
This forum has been such a joke for five years now, we'll never attract a decent poster.
Why would they come here and work under Woodhall's rules?
Why do you think I hadn't been on here since my solitary contribution years ago? Woodhall OUT; sack the Mod's; BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
**Goes back into default miserablist-hermit-mode**
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Hate to say it , but Pearson might be the best shot of keeping us up, as long as doesn't go nuts too often. He knows what needs to be done.
Whereas everybody else is just going to turn up with no idea?
What i meant is that he knows what is needed in a Premier league relegation battle
I'd rather Garde in the long term but...
Right but how do you ever break the cycle of appointing in the short term then? As you say you'd prefer Garde, but you think Pearson is better for a relegation battle. What happens if we hire Pearson and survive, do we just sack him? or do we wait until he starts to fail next year and then have to appoint another short term manager to get us out of trouble again? I think there comes a point where you have to just have a look at the long term. Garde appears to be a much better option for me and I want Villa to actually have a semblance of long term planning. It is a risk, but constantly looking at the short term means you'll never develop. I think we're all sick of Villa being utter shit, so I'd like a risk to be taken that could see us climb out of this cycle of limping along, providing no entertainment and just being pretty embarrassing.
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Moyes is a decent manager, but I'd prefer a totally new approach, some modern thinking in our tactics.
My expectations are obviously less. I just want a proven decent manager for a refreshing change. No more gambles.
Moyes did well at Everton, but he's been a disaster since.
How many teams does he have to ruin before his managerial skills get disproven?
I thought folk on here would be happy that a Scottish manager was being linked with the current vacancy. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?
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I'm pretty sure not all Scots are the same.
I don't like him, but would probably be forced to admit that Alex Ferguson did a better job at Aberdeen and Man U than Barry Ferguson is doing at Clyde.
(although if your argument means we appoint Garde rather than Moyes, I'll be happy enough!)
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IMO, Moyes gives us the greatest chance of avoiding relegation but his glass ceiling is around 5th or 6th.
Garde is a bigger risk and does not guarantee safety, however if things go well for him it appears that his ceiling could be higher than Moyes and the football will be easier on the eye.
I'd still prefer Bielsa, a risk yes, but less of one than Garde. Plus he'd not tolerate any crap from anyone and I think we need that unwavering focus to get Villa back to where we should be.
Didn't he finish 4th with Everton?
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you know what, I'd love to be on here in a few years time bemoaning the fact that Moyes had only managed to get us fourth. fourth I ask you! The charlatan!.
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Whoever comes in, Garde, Moyes, Rodgers, Redknapp, Pearson, the biggest and single most important ability they must bring is clarity of vision, and the longer they see our situation clearly the better they will manage us.
A new manager has to see what we have been seeing for five years and act on what he (maybe she) sees. He has to see N'Zogbia running down blind alleys with his head down, Westwood failing to track runners, Kozak at least deserving a few minutes off the bench, Gestede not getting square on in aerial challenges so at best the ball skids off the side of his head at worst missing it altogether, Gabby's weight, Richardson's lack of stamina, Lescott's half arsed attitude, Guzan's refusal to vary his kicking and his inability to throw out quickly.
What has been missing in the periods of management of McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood is failure to address the blindingly obvious with the inevitable result that the team punches three stones below its weight. For five long years less than the sum of its parts.
Any half competent manager should be able to fix that.
We've been a bit shit at the basics for years.
Corners.
Every throw in for us ends up with the ball back with the opposition within two touches.
Poor marking...eg short corners - we rarely cover them with more than one player.
Guzan's distribution...he should never have messed up again after ManC last season but he continues to put his own defenders under pressure/give opposition opportunities.
Movement off the ball - improved this season but still woeful.
Giving away free kicks in stupid positions...not condoning it but one of the features of Chelsea against us a few weeks ago was the number of fouls they committed on about the half way line and stopped our build-up(like 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' in the 80s used to do)...Ramires must have been pulled up 6/7 times for fouling Jack/Gil. Danger over and no booking. Refs let a lot go in "non-dangerous" positions.
Sherwood was right when he said we were naïve.
He then seemed to do nothing about it.
Is doesn't need a genius to work out that we can be a real push-over at times, and that we need to address a good deal of Brian's "blindingly obvious".
A decent manager would have done so.
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I'm pretty sure not all Scots are the same.
I don't like him, but would probably be forced to admit that Alex Ferguson did a better job at Aberdeen and Man U than Barry Ferguson is doing at Clyde.
(although if your argument means we appoint Garde rather than Moyes, I'll be happy enough!)
I was only havin' a wee bit of fun. I'd personally be happy to see Moyes step into the breach, although I very much doubt if he will be keen on jumping from his Spanish frying-pan into the raging(ish) Villa inferno. Given the present - and ever worsening - state of our football club, I'd go for a manager that has PL experience and knows how to set up a team to ensure they're resilient and clear about their required roles & responsibilities within the team. It might not be beautiful to watch: but surely it'd be a damned sight more preferable than seeing our hapless mob getting turned over every sodding week.
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IMO, Moyes gives us the greatest chance of avoiding relegation but his glass ceiling is around 5th or 6th.
Garde is a bigger risk and does not guarantee safety, however if things go well for him it appears that his ceiling could be higher than Moyes and the football will be easier on the eye.
I'd still prefer Bielsa, a risk yes, but less of one than Garde. Plus he'd not tolerate any crap from anyone and I think we need that unwavering focus to get Villa back to where we should be.
Didn't he finish 4th with Everton?
Yep, although you have to wonder how as they had a minus goal difference.
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I'm pretty sure not all Scots are the same.
To be fair I think that this is one time I can confidently state without any facts to back it up that, yes, all Scots are the same.
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Have the club issued anything in relation to when they want the manager in place by?
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"Villa inferno calls for a fire Garde"
you can have that for free, Meaning Evil.
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"Villa inferno calls for a fire Garde"
you can have that for free, Meaning Evil.
Whilst previous manager was less use than a chocolate fire Garde.
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IMO, Moyes gives us the greatest chance of avoiding relegation but his glass ceiling is around 5th or 6th.
Garde is a bigger risk and does not guarantee safety, however if things go well for him it appears that his ceiling could be higher than Moyes and the football will be easier on the eye.
I'd still prefer Bielsa, a risk yes, but less of one than Garde. Plus he'd not tolerate any crap from anyone and I think we need that unwavering focus to get Villa back to where we should be.
If the glass ceiling for Moyes is consistently achieving 5th/6th place then bring it on. It's not as if any of the other also rans in the league would turn there nose up at it. Unfortunately, the ceiling you mention is for all of us, bar the few.
Also, I would like to mention that to achieve above the ceiling of a 5th/6th place would need investment of stupid proportions, and you know that is not going to happen anytime soon.
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staying up this season would feel like we'd actually won the title
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How has this got to 76 pages (or whatever number your device has you on) without a serious mention of Joe Kinnear?
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Only at the Villa could we be worrying that a prospective new manager might only get us to 5th or 6th.
Christ, I'd take sixth from bottom right now.
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IMO, Moyes gives us the greatest chance of avoiding relegation but his glass ceiling is around 5th or 6th.
Garde is a bigger risk and does not guarantee safety, however if things go well for him it appears that his ceiling could be higher than Moyes and the football will be easier on the eye.
I'd still prefer Bielsa, a risk yes, but less of one than Garde. Plus he'd not tolerate any crap from anyone and I think we need that unwavering focus to get Villa back to where we should be.
Didn't he finish 4th with Everton?
Yep, although you have to wonder how as they had a minus goal difference.
He also got them from bottom in late October to finish 11th one season.
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"Villa inferno calls for a fire Garde"
you can have that for free, Meaning Evil.
I see what you've done there. ;)
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It has to be Moyes for me, none of the alternatives give me any confidence that we will survive.
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Only at the Villa could we be worrying that a prospective new manager might only get us to 5th or 6th.
Christ, I'd take sixth from bottom right now.
Indeed. If Sherwood was still here and we were 6th at the moment, most people here would be quite pleased.
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staying up this season would feel like we'd actually won the title
No it wouldn't, but that's kind of illustrative of how expectations have be lowered to a ridiculous level.
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Or maybe just the reality of being bottom after a quarter of the season means that staying up now has to be the aim of the season.
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Or maybe just the reality of being bottom after a quarter of the season means that staying up now has to be the aim of the season.
I'm not disputing it's the aim of the season, but I don't think it would feel like winning the title.
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I agree, but it's also not an indication of how low our expectations are. For me, to be that we'd have had to saying at the start of the season we'd be delighted to finish 17th.
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Moyes rules himself out
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How has this got to 76 pages (or whatever number your device has you on) without a serious mention of Joe Kinnear?
I see no option for Alan Curbishley in the votes either. Tsk.
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I agree, but it's also not an indication of how low our expectations are. For me, to be that we'd have had to saying at the start of the season we'd be delighted to finish 17th.
I'd be happy to win a game, that's how low my expectations are
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It's time for Carlton Palmer to fulfill his destiny.
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I'm starting to feel like I did when Solskjaer was a candidate. I really want it to be Garde now, as I feel this is an opportunity for growth at the club. Obviously it didn't work out too well for Solskjaer at Cardiff, but I think Garde has done it in a league with a higher standard.
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According to Sky Garde deal in doubt
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Whoever comes in, Garde, Moyes, Rodgers, Redknapp, Pearson, the biggest and single most important ability they must bring is clarity of vision, and the longer they see our situation clearly the better they will manage us.
A new manager has to see what we have been seeing for five years and act on what he (maybe she) sees. He has to see N'Zogbia running down blind alleys with his head down, Westwood failing to track runners, Kozak at least deserving a few minutes off the bench, Gestede not getting square on in aerial challenges so at best the ball skids off the side of his head at worst missing it altogether, Gabby's weight, Richardson's lack of stamina, Lescott's half arsed attitude, Guzan's refusal to vary his kicking and his inability to throw out quickly.
What has been missing in the periods of management of McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood is failure to address the blindingly obvious with the inevitable result that the team punches three stones below its weight. For five long years less than the sum of its parts.
Any half competent manager should be able to fix that.
Right, you've convinced me Brian. I'm applying.
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It's time for Carlton Palmer to fulfill his destiny.
Luckily he is head of sport at a school in Shanghai and would see us as a sideways step
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If both Garde and Moyes dont want the job, then it feels as though our options are very limited.
Unless the club have someone in mind who no one has yet mentioned???????
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David Cameron has applied for the job.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSPdLn4WsAANi4v.png)
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Groundbreaking insight from TSM2 (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/614956/Aston-Villa-Tim-Sherwood-Sack-Remi-Garde-Arsenal-Speak-French-Paul-Lambert)
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Moyes rules himself out
Not seen this, where?
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Moyes rules himself out
Not seen this, where?
He is still trying to figure out how to email it to the press. Give him a bit of time.
(http://i59.tinypic.com/sb4t9i.png)
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I'm feeling the sa,e about Garde now, I'll be disappointed if we don't get him, despite knowing little about him prior to yesterday morning!
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I am surprised that Chris Hughton has not been mentioned (given we clearly going down the 'coach' route)
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http://www.90min.com/posts/2677181-david-moyes-rules-himself-out-of-running-for-vacant-aston-villa-job?ref=facebook&team=aston-villa&utm_campaign=Aston+Villa&utm_medium=fan_pages&utm_source=facebook.com
Not sure how reliable
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Is Peter Withe still available?
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Is Peter Withe still available?
He's a bit dull isn't he?
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Has anyone mentioned Neil Warnock yet?
....and if not, why not?
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Has anyone mentioned Neil Warnock yet?
....and if not, why not?
They have now.
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Has anyone mentioned Neil Warnock yet?
....and if not, why not?
Hold on, I'll just make a start on that now. I will try and get it out before the Chilcott report.
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We'll have gone down, come back up and had another 3 managers before the Chilcott report comes out.
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Would Kev Mac be back in for a shout if he gets a few positive results?
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Would Kev Mac be back in for a shout if he gets a few positive results?
Not for me
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Gary Neville. He'd organise the back four and would certainly attract decent players.
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K Mac will never get a shot. He got a bad result once at Newcastle. We can't have a manager who gets a bad result.
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David Cameron has applied for the job.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSPdLn4WsAANi4v.png)
Hah!
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K Mac will never get a shot. He got a bad result once at Newcastle. We can't have a manager who gets a bad result.
He had more than one bad result. And didn't want the job anyway.
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Has anyone mentioned Neil Warnock yet?
....and if not, why not?
Because he's a twat maybe?
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I was speaking allegorically about K Mac. He was in charge when we won his first game (Everton? West Ham?) Then we went to Newcastle and shipped six goals. That is what I mean by a bad result and as I recall it he was never granted an interview for the top job. A short list was drawn up which did not include him.
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Gary Neville. He'd organise the back four and would certainly attract decent players.
I'd have Gary Neville.
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if garde dont want it and moyes dont want it i would offer it to 3rd choice pearson to see if he wants it and if he dont want it i dont know who to suggest
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Gary Neville. He'd organise the back four and would certainly attract decent players.
I'd have Gary Neville.
its alright saying you would have someone but before you think about having them you have to think would they want the job
yeah i would have gary neville too if there was a slight remote chance he might want it but i cant have him if he dont want it
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This, absolutely, with the possible exception of Lescott being half-arsed (he's a fan, after all)rather than just totally past it and Finished at this level.
Whoever comes in, Garde, Moyes, Rodgers, Redknapp, Pearson, the biggest and single most important ability they must bring is clarity of vision, and the longer they see our situation clearly the better they will manage us.
A new manager has to see what we have been seeing for five years and act on what he (maybe she) sees. He has to see N'Zogbia running down blind alleys with his head down, Westwood failing to track runners, Kozak at least deserving a few minutes off the bench, Gestede not getting square on in aerial challenges so at best the ball skids off the side of his head at worst missing it altogether, Gabby's weight, Richardson's lack of stamina, Lescott's half arsed attitude, Guzan's refusal to vary his kicking and his inability to throw out quickly.
What has been missing in the periods of management of McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood is failure to address the blindingly obvious with the inevitable result that the team punches three stones below its weight. For five long years less than the sum of its parts.
Any half competent manager should be able to fix that.
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this guy might still be interested
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/six-year-old-charlie-pye-applies-aston-5541173
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I think Garde will get the job - probably things going on in the background we don't know about. If nor, Pearson or Rowett would be a good shout.
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It's all gone rather quiet today, which I am taking as a good sign that things like buying out contracts are being sorted out in France.
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Gary Neville. He'd organise the back four and would certainly attract decent players.
I very much doubt it would ever be with us but I have a feeling if he decides to leave Sky in the future and become a manager he could be very good at it. He seems very knowledgeable about the game and is gaining coaching experience with England. He's been managed by a very successful (spit) manager for his whole career so must have learnt along the way. He's either waiting for a couple more managers to cock it up at Old Trafford or having a great time travelling the country watching football and getting extremely well paid to give it up for the hassle of being a manager. Maybe Dwight can convince him to join us as his assistant :)
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I was speaking allegorically about K Mac. He was in charge when we won his first game (Everton? West Ham?) Then we went to Newcastle and shipped six goals. That is what I mean by a bad result and as I recall it he was never granted an interview for the top job. A short list was drawn up which did not include him.
He still had more than one bad result and didn't want the job anyway. So he's hardly going to be on a list when they knew he didn't want it.
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Moyes rules himself out
Why did it take 76 pages for him to rule himself out?
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It's all gone rather quiet today, which I am taking as a good sign that things like buying out contracts are being sorted out in France.
I'm hoping that too, but that's all it is.
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I was speaking allegorically about K Mac. He was in charge when we won his first game (Everton? West Ham?) Then we went to Newcastle and shipped six goals. That is what I mean by a bad result and as I recall it he was never granted an interview for the top job. A short list was drawn up which did not include him.
He still had more than one bad result and didn't want the job anyway. So he's hardly going to be on a list when they knew he didn't want it.
y
And his stint as a manager at Swindon didn't go well.
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Alright then PWS if it gets you off my case, KMac had one really bad result at Newcastle. The way I read the interview process he said he was not interested in the job anyway after he knew he was not on the shortlist. I may be wrong but it is the product of a pre WW2 memory so I will not apologise for obliging you to correct me.
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I went to that game up at Newcastle. From what I remember It was their first home game back in the division and we went with a very very attacking line up, which I thought was a mistake and we got hammered.
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If I remember correctly, Carew missed a penalty before the goals started going in.
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Rapid Vienna at home was a really bad result as well. Forever remembered for some of the shambolic defending i've ever seen, including the comical clearance that went over our own crossbar.
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If I remember correctly, Carew missed a penalty before the goals started going in.
Yep, nearly put it out the ground. After that it was all down hill, a very steep hill.
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Again purely from memory we got a penalty at 0-0 and Carew blasted it into the Gallowgate. My son and I got chased by the Geordie nation as we made our way back to the station. Last time I ran anywhere.
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If I remember correctly, Carew missed a penalty before the goals started going in.
You are correct. We were all over them to start with. It looked like (I think) Young and Downing were going to run riot.
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Whoever comes in, Garde, Moyes, Rodgers, Redknapp, Pearson, the biggest and single most important ability they must bring is clarity of vision, and the longer they see our situation clearly the better they will manage us.
A new manager has to see what we have been seeing for five years and act on what he (maybe she) sees. He has to see N'Zogbia running down blind alleys with his head down, Westwood failing to track runners, Kozak at least deserving a few minutes off the bench, Gestede not getting square on in aerial challenges so at best the ball skids off the side of his head at worst missing it altogether, Gabby's weight, Richardson's lack of stamina, Lescott's half arsed attitude, Guzan's refusal to vary his kicking and his inability to throw out quickly.
What has been missing in the periods of management of McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood is failure to address the blindingly obvious with the inevitable result that the team punches three stones below its weight. For five long years less than the sum of its parts.
Any half competent manager should be able to fix that.
Amen
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Randy Learner spotted an old woman struggling home with two heavy shopping bags. He stopped his limo and asked her "are you alright, can you manage" She shouted "Fuck off, I don't want your rotten job" !
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Lerner.
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Randy Learner spotted an old woman struggling home with two heavy shopping bags. He stopped his limo and asked her "are you alright, can you manage" She shouted "Fuck off, I don't want your rotten job" !
Lerner!!
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That would be funnier if the old lady was lost at the seaside and could not find her coach when Randy drew alongside in his limo and addressed her. "You looking for a coach........etc etc"
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If I remember correctly, Carew missed a penalty before the goals started going in.
You are correct. We were all over them to start with. It looked like (I think) Young and Downing were going to run riot.
Even at half-time, I was still convinced we'd win. But it seemed like every time the ball came within 25 yards of our goal, it ended up in the net.
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Was Given in goal that day?
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Does anyone have contact with French colleagues who could advise how Garde comes across as a pundit on Canal? Does he offer intelligent views or is he more of a Savage type?
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Sorry if this has posted already
BY JULIEN LAURENS
about an hour ago
Aston Villa target Remi Garde close to realising his Premier League dream
Remi Garde is considered the favourite to replace Tim Sherwood as Aston Villa manager.
On Sunday, former Lyon manager Remi Garde was looking forward to paying a visit to Old Trafford, where he would commentate on Manchester United vs. Manchester City for French television
Over the last 16 months, Garde hasn't missed much of the action in the Premier League, partly due to the work commitment he took up after leaving Lyon, but also because it is his favourite league by some way and the one in which he has always dreamed to coach.
As it transpired, Garde never made it to Manchester and the French public didn't hear his voice commentating on the Manchester derby. The reason? Well, he is now the odds-on favourite to land the Aston Villa manager's job so you can put two and two together!
The aftermath of Tim Sherwood's sacking, which was announced hours before the Manchester derby, led to a change in Garde's plans. Instead of taking a position on the TV gantry, he began talks with the Villa hierarchy.
It is no surprise that Garde, 49, tops the wish list of club owner Randy Lerner and chief executive Tom Fox. Around Europe, Garde is seen as a bright and promising manager and, last season, was offered the chance to replace Alan Pardew at Newcastle. He turned the offer down. Garde was also approached by Sunderland recently, while German clubs also made enquiries over the summer.
With Lyon, Garde finished fourth, third and fifth in Ligue 1 between 2011 and 2014. He also won the French Cup in 2012, as well as the French Community Shield in the same year and then, two years later, took the team to the Europa League quarterfinal against Juventus.
Garde achieved all of this on a tight budget, as he had to compensate for the previously lavish spending by some of his managerial predecessors to balance the books. With no say, he saw Jeremy Toulalan, Miralem Pjanic, Hugo Lloris, Cris, Kim Kallstrom, Dejan Lovren and Lisandro Lopez leave.
In return for losing his best and most dependable players, Garde turned to the club's academy and gave Nabil Fekir, Clinton Njie, Jordan Ferri and Rachid Ghezzal their first professional contracts. He also launched Alexandre Lacazette's career.
Lyon played good football under Garde and club chairman Jean-Michel Aulas rated his manager so highly that he almost begged him to stay. Such was the esteem in which Garde was held that Bernard Lacombe, the club's former striker and now officially Aulas' advisor (but actually more like the club's sporting director) had a nickname for him: "Remi Gardiola".
Apart from losing on penalties to Apoel Nicosia in the 2011-12 Champions League last 16 and a League Cup final loss against PSG in 2014, Garde's time at Lyon was a success. He was one of the club's favourite children, a prodigy who had been club captain at 22 before one day returning as manager.
But after three years in charge, following many years as, among other job, academy director and first-team coach, he could not continue. He was physically and mentally drained. The pressure took its toll and the expectation, combined with the lack of resources, made for a challenging time at the club. In 2014 he decided not to renew his contract and take a sabbatical.
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That would be funnier if the old lady was lost at the seaside and could not find her coach when Randy drew alongside in his limo and addressed her. "You looking for a coach........etc etc"
It would indeed be funnier; as would a yarn about a certain Randolph Lerner playing a round of golf with 2 full sets of irons in his bag, when he comes across a player stuck in a bunker - who's in desperate need of a sand wedge...
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Was Given in goal that day?
No, McLeish signed Given the following close season.
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If I remember correctly, Carew missed a penalty before the goals started going in.
You are correct. We were all over them to start with. It looked like (I think) Young and Downing were going to run riot.
Even at half-time, I was still convinced we'd win. But it seemed like every time the ball came within 25 yards of our goal, it ended up in the net.
We were getting twatted by half time weren't we? I remember after the first 15 minutes it being a demolition job and us barely having the ball. I got bladdered on the train coming back and had a pathetic drunken row when I got home. All in all a shite day.
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Was Given in goal that day?
No, McLeish signed Given the following close season.
I think he meant for them.
He would have been at Man City though wouldn't he?
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''But after three years in charge, following many years as, among other job, academy director and first-team coach, he could not continue. He was physically and mentally drained. The pressure took its toll and the expectation, combined with the lack of resources, made for a challenging time at the club. In 2014 he decided not to renew his contract and take a sabbatical.''
Don't like the sound of that. If he thinks he was under pressure at Lyon he'll be in for a major shock at Villa.
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Sorry if this has posted alreadySorry if this has posted already
BY JULIEN LAURENS
about an hour ago
Aston Villa target Remi Garde close to realising his Premier League dream
Remi Garde is considered the favourite to replace Tim Sherwood as Aston Villa manager.
On Sunday, former Lyon manager Remi Garde was looking forward to paying a visit to Old Trafford, where he would commentate on Manchester United vs. Manchester City for French television
Over the last 16 months, Garde hasn't missed much of the action in the Premier League, partly due to the work commitment he took up after leaving Lyon, but also because it is his favourite league by some way and the one in which he has always dreamed to coach.
As it transpired, Garde never made it to Manchester and the French public didn't hear his voice commentating on the Manchester derby. The reason? Well, he is now the odds-on favourite to land the Aston Villa manager's job so you can put two and two together!
The aftermath of Tim Sherwood's sacking, which was announced hours before the Manchester derby, led to a change in Garde's plans. Instead of taking a position on the TV gantry, he began talks with the Villa hierarchy.
It is no surprise that Garde, 49, tops the wish list of club owner Randy Lerner and chief executive Tom Fox. Around Europe, Garde is seen as a bright and promising manager and, last season, was offered the chance to replace Alan Pardew at Newcastle. He turned the offer down. Garde was also approached by Sunderland recently, while German clubs also made enquiries over the summer.
With Lyon, Garde finished fourth, third and fifth in Ligue 1 between 2011 and 2014. He also won the French Cup in 2012, as well as the French Community Shield in the same year and then, two years later, took the team to the Europa League quarterfinal against Juventus.
Garde achieved all of this on a tight budget, as he had to compensate for the previously lavish spending by some of his managerial predecessors to balance the books. With no say, he saw Jeremy Toulalan, Miralem Pjanic, Hugo Lloris, Cris, Kim Kallstrom, Dejan Lovren and Lisandro Lopez leave.
In return for losing his best and most dependable players, Garde turned to the club's academy and gave Nabil Fekir, Clinton Njie, Jordan Ferri and Rachid Ghezzal their first professional contracts. He also launched Alexandre Lacazette's career.
Lyon played good football under Garde and club chairman Jean-Michel Aulas rated his manager so highly that he almost begged him to stay. Such was the esteem in which Garde was held that Bernard Lacombe, the club's former striker and now officially Aulas' advisor (but actually more like the club's sporting director) had a nickname for him: "Remi Gardiola".
Apart from losing on penalties to Apoel Nicosia in the 2011-12 Champions League last 16 and a League Cup final loss against PSG in 2014, Garde's time at Lyon was a success. He was one of the club's favourite children, a prodigy who had been club captain at 22 before one day returning as manager.
But after three years in charge, following many years as, among other job, academy director and first-team coach, he could not continue. He was physically and mentally drained. The pressure took its toll and the expectation, combined with the lack of resources, made for a challenging time at the club. In 2014 he decided not to renew his contract and take a sabbatical.
BY JULIEN LAURENS
about an hour ago
Aston Villa target Remi Garde close to realising his Premier League dream
Remi Garde is considered the favourite to replace Tim Sherwood as Aston Villa manager.
On Sunday, former Lyon manager Remi Garde was looking forward to paying a visit to Old Trafford, where he would commentate on Manchester United vs. Manchester City for French television
Over the last 16 months, Garde hasn't missed much of the action in the Premier League, partly due to the work commitment he took up after leaving Lyon, but also because it is his favourite league by some way and the one in which he has always dreamed to coach.
As it transpired, Garde never made it to Manchester and the French public didn't hear his voice commentating on the Manchester derby. The reason? Well, he is now the odds-on favourite to land the Aston Villa manager's job so you can put two and two together!
The aftermath of Tim Sherwood's sacking, which was announced hours before the Manchester derby, led to a change in Garde's plans. Instead of taking a position on the TV gantry, he began talks with the Villa hierarchy.
It is no surprise that Garde, 49, tops the wish list of club owner Randy Lerner and chief executive Tom Fox. Around Europe, Garde is seen as a bright and promising manager and, last season, was offered the chance to replace Alan Pardew at Newcastle. He turned the offer down. Garde was also approached by Sunderland recently, while German clubs also made enquiries over the summer.
With Lyon, Garde finished fourth, third and fifth in Ligue 1 between 2011 and 2014. He also won the French Cup in 2012, as well as the French Community Shield in the same year and then, two years later, took the team to the Europa League quarterfinal against Juventus.
Garde achieved all of this on a tight budget, as he had to compensate for the previously lavish spending by some of his managerial predecessors to balance the books. With no say, he saw Jeremy Toulalan, Miralem Pjanic, Hugo Lloris, Cris, Kim Kallstrom, Dejan Lovren and Lisandro Lopez leave.
In return for losing his best and most dependable players, Garde turned to the club's academy and gave Nabil Fekir, Clinton Njie, Jordan Ferri and Rachid Ghezzal their first professional contracts. He also launched Alexandre Lacazette's career.
Lyon played good football under Garde and club chairman Jean-Michel Aulas rated his manager so highly that he almost begged him to stay. Such was the esteem in which Garde was held that Bernard Lacombe, the club's former striker and now officially Aulas' advisor (but actually more like the club's sporting director) had a nickname for him: "Remi Gardiola".
Apart from losing on penalties to Apoel Nicosia in the 2011-12 Champions League last 16 and a League Cup final loss against PSG in 2014, Garde's time at Lyon was a success. He was one of the club's favourite children, a prodigy who had been club captain at 22 before one day returning as manager.
But after three years in charge, following many years as, among other job, academy director and first-team coach, he could not continue. He was physically and mentally drained. The pressure took its toll and the expectation, combined with the lack of resources, made for a challenging time at the club. In 2014 he decided not to renew his contract and take a sabbatical.
Thanks for that. I know very little about the guy and I'm very worried about the club once again rolling the dice with the club's future. This article has gone some way to settling my mind. If it is to be the frenchman what else can we do but welcome him with open arms and throwing our support behind him totally and hope for the best.
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You only posted about half the article there TV! Here's the other half:
Lyon's 2014-15 campaign, which saw them finish second in Ligue 1 under Hubert Fournier, came from a solid foundation as Garde's legacy lived on. "Lyon benefits now from the quality of his work. It was a job where he was a lot under pressure because in Lyon the demands are very high, but he did very well" said Arsene Wenger last summer.
Garde and Wenger go back a long way. In 1996, alongside Patrick Vieira, Garde was Wenger's first signing at Arsenal and stayed three seasons at the club. Like Wenger, the midfielder had previously played for Strasbourg.
The two men had endless talks about tactics, managing and the evolution of the game through the years. They have always remained in contact and Wenger would no doubt be delighted to see one of his disciples getting the Villa job. For Garde, Wenger is more than a mentor. He is the perfection, the path to follow, the guide.
Garde has no Premier League experience as a manager but nor did Wenger. As a modern-day comparison, Slaven Bilic is proving at West Ham that it is not an issue. If a manager is good enough, he will succeed.
Garde's knowledge of English football stands him in good stead and he feels ready to take on the Villa challenge. Villa want him too and the only foreseeable issue is that he wants to take his two former assistant managers from Lyon -- Gerald Baticle and Bruno Genesio -- with him.
The problem is that they are still part of the technical staff at Lyon, who don't want to let them go, especially after each of them signed a new deal with a pay rise last summer. Could Garde accept the Villa job alone? It is hard to say. He is desperate to come back to management and sees this as a great opportunity.
His last game in England as Lyon manager was in the Europa League Round of 32 against Tottenham on Valentine's Day 2013. Aston Villa's next league game? Away to Tottenham.
The concern about the backroom staff is very real. Despite his enthusiasm he's reluctant to come to Villa without them, which is really concerning.
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''But after three years in charge, following many years as, among other job, academy director and first-team coach, he could not continue. He was physically and mentally drained. The pressure took its toll and the expectation, combined with the lack of resources, made for a challenging time at the club. In 2014 he decided not to renew his contract and take a sabbatical.''
Don't like the sound of that. If he thinks he was under pressure at Lyon he'll be in for a major shock at Villa.
This was what I mentioned when his name first came up. He walked away from Lyon, despite them being happy with his performance and despite Aulas repeatedly offering him a new contract.
I just wonder whether he is mentally strong enough for a relegation battle. And I know that it's still only October, and in theory we have plenty of time to zip up the table, in reality we are under massive pressure.
Having said all that, I'd still rather take a gamble on someone like Garde with a proper philosophy and a commitment to attacking, sophisticated play, than go for another old-fashioned British purveyor of scrappy, hoof-it football.
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You only posted about half the article there TV! Here's the other half:
Lyon's 2014-15 campaign, which saw them finish second in Ligue 1 under Hubert Fournier, came from a solid foundation as Garde's legacy lived on. "Lyon benefits now from the quality of his work. It was a job where he was a lot under pressure because in Lyon the demands are very high, but he did very well" said Arsene Wenger last summer.
Garde and Wenger go back a long way. In 1996, alongside Patrick Vieira, Garde was Wenger's first signing at Arsenal and stayed three seasons at the club. Like Wenger, the midfielder had previously played for Strasbourg.
The two men had endless talks about tactics, managing and the evolution of the game through the years. They have always remained in contact and Wenger would no doubt be delighted to see one of his disciples getting the Villa job. For Garde, Wenger is more than a mentor. He is the perfection, the path to follow, the guide.
Garde has no Premier League experience as a manager but nor did Wenger. As a modern-day comparison, Slaven Bilic is proving at West Ham that it is not an issue. If a manager is good enough, he will succeed.
Garde's knowledge of English football stands him in good stead and he feels ready to take on the Villa challenge. Villa want him too and the only foreseeable issue is that he wants to take his two former assistant managers from Lyon -- Gerald Baticle and Bruno Genesio -- with him.
The problem is that they are still part of the technical staff at Lyon, who don't want to let them go, especially after each of them signed a new deal with a pay rise last summer. Could Garde accept the Villa job alone? It is hard to say. He is desperate to come back to management and sees this as a great opportunity.
His last game in England as Lyon manager was in the Europa League Round of 32 against Tottenham on Valentine's Day 2013. Aston Villa's next league game? Away to Tottenham.
The concern about the backroom staff is very real. Despite his enthusiasm he's reluctant to come to Villa without them, which is really concerning.
Only concerning in that it might complicate matters Monty but I like his attitude. Management is a team game and you are only as good as the sum of your parts. Brian Clough realised that.
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Balls, thanks for filling in the rest Monty.
On the staff thing, hopefully it will be a case of money and we can come to an agreement with Lyon. At the end of the day this is a critical decision and I'd sooner we paid up front to get the right men in than paid compensation at the end of another dismissal for a poor hire.
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Balls, thanks for filling in the rest Monty.
On the staff thing, hopefully it will be a case of money and we can come to an agreement with Lyon. At the end of the day this is a critical decision and I'd sooner we paid up front to get the right men in than paid compensation at the end of another dismissal for a poor hire.
They've probably still not forgiven us for sending Baros in exchange for Carew.
I think the only thing he did of note whilst there was set a national record for highest speed on a speeding ticket. Something ludicrous like 180mph.
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Rapid Vienna at home was a really bad result as well. Forever remembered for some of the shambolic defending i've ever seen, including the comical clearance that went over our own crossbar.
Which led to the winning goal, just to top it off.
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Just in. Any news on Garde?
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Just in. Any news on Garde?
Are you challenging me to a dual?
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Where is it that moves is out?
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Where is it that moves is out?
Eh?
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Just in. Any news on Garde?
Are you challenging me to a dual?
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/89/06/ba/8906bace07eedfcb7eac5ee5f94a3a5e.jpg)
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Some terrible quoting on here...I think he means moyes http://www.90min.com/posts/2677181-david-moyes-rules-himself-out-of-running-for-vacant-aston-villa-job?ref=facebook&team=aston-villa&utm_campaign=Aston+Villa&utm_medium=fan_pages&utm_source=facebook.com
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Fuck me we've got Cottee telling us now we were wrong on ssn News
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Thing is all these ex footballers are just too tied up with supporting their mates. It's just pathetic really.
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Mod Dave
Yes I'm on board with that. Late response Apols due to meetings etc .
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Does anyone have contact with French colleagues who could advise how Garde comes across as a pundit on Canal? Does he offer intelligent views or is he more of a Savage type?
My mates basically tell me he is thoughtful, intelligent and lucid.
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Fuck me we've got Cottee telling us now we were wrong on ssn News
Had to switch it over, made my blood boil. Yes we don't expect to be top of the league Tony, but we expect to have more than 4 points from 30, you block headed void of personality.
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Where is it that moves is out?
Eh?
Sorry can't type on phone very well I saw a line saying moyes rules himself out but nothing to support it
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Thing is all these ex footballers are just too tied up with supporting their mates. It's just pathetic really.
It's innate, ineffective pugwash.
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Oh and btw , I'm currently living with my aunt in Nechells (don't ask) . If anyone is bad mouth me we can rock and roll on the streets . :-X
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The concern about the backroom staff is very real. Despite his enthusiasm he's reluctant to come to Villa without them, which is really concerning.
I was thinking about this last night Monty and came to the same conclusion. It looks as though he is turning down jobs because of this and that is worrying. Surely as a competent Coach with enormous self belief he should be able to recruit another team and make them work in his way. <<taps chin>>
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Oh and btw , I'm currently living with my aunt in Nechells (don't ask) . If anyone is bad mouth me we can rock and roll on the streets . :-X
Oh yes an "Aunt"?
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Oh and btw , I'm currently living with my aunt in Nechells (don't ask) . If anyone is bad mouth me we can rock and roll on the streets . :-X
Oh yes an "Aunt"?
nechells eh
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Just in. Any news on Garde?
Are you challenging me to a dual?
Eh?
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The concern about the backroom staff is very real. Despite his enthusiasm he's reluctant to come to Villa without them, which is really concerning.
I was thinking about this last night Monty and came to the same conclusion. It looks as though he is turning down jobs because of this and that is worrying. Surely as a competent Coach with enormous self belief he should be able to recruit another team and make them work in his way. <<taps chin>>
He's got his own reputation on the line and is going to another country in one of the competitive leagues in the world. I imagine he wants to put himself in the best position to succeed. No different to MON, no different to Paul Lambert. Rodgers takes his own people, Moyes changed the staff very quickly at Man U, Mark Hughes has an army with him that insists join him at his new club. I don't think it's anything unusual.
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If he doesn't come because he can't get his people then fuck Lyon and fuck Metz. Like they even need them. They can hire any coach and physio they want, but apparently we can only hire THOSE SPECIFIC TWO. Therefore, if they don't let us have them, they're selfish, and fuck them.
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and they could say the same for us as we can hire other coach to work with Garde ;)
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Or maybe those are just that good they don't want to let them go? If we don't get them i'll forever blame them for stopping us becoming the dominant side in world football.
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Or maybe those are just that good they don't want to let them go? If we don't get them i'll forever blame them for stopping us becoming the dominant side in world football.
Damn right. They'll have stood between us and European Cups 2 through 5.
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Or maybe those are just that good they don't want to let them go? If we don't get them i'll forever blame them for stopping us becoming the dominant side in world football.
I like this approach. Instead of blaming the useless tools we keep giving jobs to, lets blame the capable professionals that turned it down.
So fuck you Patrice Bergues, fuck you and the job you're always bloody happy in.
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Just in. Any news on Garde?
Are you challenging me to a dual?
Eh?
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Fuck me we've got Cottee telling us now we were wrong on ssn News
What did he say?
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Just in. Any news on Garde?
Are you challenging me to a dual?
Eh?
The grandkids are here and would you believe that that Tom and Jerry cartoon was on today. Great stuff.
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Tony Cottee speaking his woefully poor English can go find an electrical socket in which to shove his cock.
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Just in. Any news on Garde?
Are you challenging me to a dual?
Eh?
I laughed aloud. Thank you.
And had to explain to my love lying beside me.
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Rapid Vienna at home was a really bad result as well. Forever remembered for some of the shambolic defending i've ever seen, including the comical clearance that went over our own crossbar.
Didn't Curtis Davis hit the bar with a back pass too ?
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You know that scene in Bonny and Clyde towards the very end of the movie.
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From the Birmingham Mail. Emphasis is mine.
Remi Garde will ‘blow Aston Villa away’ in the interviewing process for the vacant managerial post but he will not move without his tried and trusted assistants.
A close friend of the Frenchman has told the Birmingham Mail that he is keen on a challenge in England and will only accept an offer if his support network join too.
Garde wants to bring in Lyon assistant Gerard Baticle and Metz fitness coach Robert Duverne but there are complicating issues surrounding both men.
Not only are Lyon desperate to retain the services of Baticle, ex-Villa employee Duverne is also struggling to get out of his Ligue 2 club.
On top of that Villa are not interested in recruiting more fitness coaches to a team that was increased over the summer.
Chief executive Tom Fox landed two new members of staff from American ‘performance culture’ organisation EXOS after seeing the benefits that Shad Forsythe, Arsenal’s head of athletic performance enhancement, had bought to his former club in north London.
Strength & Conditioning coach Chris Lorkin and Head of Performance Mike Watts are also both still at the club and are popular with the players.
Garde, a man who interviewed well at Newcastle and at Brighton & Hove Albion before Sami Hyypia was appointed in the summer of 2014, is brimming with ideas and ready for the next step in his career.
“He’s been waiting for the right opportunity and if he can bring along the right support, Villa would be a club that appeals to him,” said a source.
“He has always impressed in interviews in the past.”
The 49-year-old has been out of football management since leaving his post at Lyon at the end of the 2013/14 season but has spoken to various clubs about taking over.
Villa are still considering other candidates but they’re focusing most of their energy on Garde.
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If not getting a new manager that we have known we wanted a whole hinges on him wanting a fitness coach then you just get on with it.
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Guus Hiddink ?
He's not working ?
Pay him £200,000 a game ?
With the promise of a £4,000,000 bonus if he keeps us up ?
#desparatetimes
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The name Arsenal seems to be cropping up a lot with regards to our backroom staff these days.
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Garde, a man who interviewed well at Brighton & Hove Albion before Sami Hyypia was appointed
Good fucking Lord . What !
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Or maybe those are just that good they don't want to let them go? If we don't get them i'll forever blame them for stopping us becoming the dominant side in world football.
Damn right. They'll have stood between us and European Cups 2 through 5.
I'm quite disappointed by your lack of ambition. Only 5 European Cups?
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Having other fitness people wasn't a problem when we had that Brady bloke - the one with the beer gut - in a post up until Sunday.
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Fuck me we've got Cottee telling us now we were wrong on ssn News
What did he say?
What do we expect, we're not going to be challenging, he even said it was something like 15 defeats in 24 but we knew what we we're getting with Sherwood, someone who goes for it apparently
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Garde, a man who interviewed well at Brighton & Hove Albion before Sami Hyypia was appointed
Good fucking Lord . What !
He did so well they appointed a man who nearly relegated them?
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Garde, a man who interviewed well at Brighton & Hove Albion before Sami Hyypia was appointed
Good fucking Lord . What !
More Sillyvilla melodramatics.
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The name Arsenal seems to be cropping up a lot with regards to our backroom staff these days.
Wenger might fancy a change in scenery?
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I do like the sound of this Garde, it's got to be worth the gamble. Any one's a gamble anyhow.
Also for the last 5 seasons every team from around 10 placed down are potentially in a relegation fight to near the end, so it will take time for anyone to suddenly turn it around, but also we're certainly not relegated yet.
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Not looking great though it's it if we don't want his fitness coach and we can't get his number 2 is it.
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Not if that report is true. Surely if we want him we'll work it out?
Looking at our squad you would have to question our fitness coach. Sanchez is blowing out his arse regularly, Gabby certainly ain't fit and Richardson looks less fit than me.
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One of them is working for a Second division club over there. I'm sure if we want him we will get him.
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Reading up on Duverne and Baticle, I'd say getting Duverne should be relatively easy. As fitness coach, he has only been at Metz for a season, in that time they have been relegated and changed manager, so he wouldn't have particularly strong links keeping him there. He worked for us previously with Houllier, so is not averse to moving to Brum.
However Baticle as assistant manager has been at Lyon in different roles for the last 7 or 8 years, During which time there have been 5 different managers including Houllier, Alain Perrin and Remy Garde . So Baticle seems he is the bit of consistency around the club, also it doesn't look like he has moved away from France during his career either, so I would say he is the main stumbling block.
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Reading up on Duverne and Baticle, I'd say getting Duverne should be relatively easy. As fitness coach, he has only been at Metz for a season, in that time they have been relegated and changed manager, so he wouldn't have particularly strong links keeping him there. He worked for us previously with Houllier, so is not averse to moving to Brum.
However Baticle as assistant manager has been at Lyon in different roles for the last 7 or 8 years, During which time there have been 5 different managers including Houllier, Alain Perrin and Remy Garde . So Baticle seems he is the bit of consistency around the club, also it doesn't look like he has moved away from France during his career either, so I would say he is the main stumbling block.
Could loan him for a year, a sabaticle?
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However Baticle as assistant manager has been at Lyon in different roles for the last 7 or 8 years, During which time there have been 5 different managers including Houllier, Alain Perrin and Remy Garde . So Baticle seems he is the bit of consistency around the club, also it doesn't look like he has moved away from France during his career either, so I would say he is the main stumbling block.
Block Dover and Calais ports and burn their lorries until they let us have him.
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Duverne and Baticle. The French 'Dempsey and Makepeace'
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The Chas 'n Dave you can metabolise to.
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So Baticle is a forwards coach, Duverne fitness, Garde the tactician and Genesio his long standing friend and assistant.
Linked with Galtier from St Etienne tonight too.
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So Baticle is a forwards coach, Duverne fitness, Garde the tactician and Genesio his long standing friend and assistant.
Linked with Galtier from St Etienne tonight too.
According to the article by Julian Laurens for ESPN, it is just Baticle and Genesio that are the proverbial flies in the ointment.
Villa want him too and the only foreseeable issue is that he wants to take his two former assistant managers from Lyon -- Gerald Baticle and Bruno Genesio -- with him
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If the Meaning Evil article by Gregg Evans is correct, those 2 signed lucrative long term contracts for Lyon last summer.
All the stuff I have read indicates that Garde is quite keen on coming, and would relish the challenge.
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Arsenal.com (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20150724/wenger-garde-has-done-a-fantastic-job)
Wenger - Garde did fantastic job at Lyon
By Lloyd Webb
24 Jul 2015
Arsène Wenger has hailed the job former Gunner Remi Garde did while manager of Lyon.
The Frenchman was one of Wenger’s first signings at Arsenal and went on to make a name for himself as a manager of the Ligue 1 side.
Garde has since left Lyon but Wenger believes that he has left a legacy.
“He did very well,” Wenger said. "He was there for two years and did a great job. He was first in the academy, that’s why he knew these players very well. Lyon benefits now from the quality of his work.
“It was a job where he was a lot under pressure because in Lyon the demands are very high, but he did very well.
"Lyon are a very good team, a very young team but a team who made life difficult for PSG last season. It will be a good test for us.”
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I don't like being negative but I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the injury crisis when this fitness bloke was with us before.
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However Baticle as assistant manager has been at Lyon in different roles for the last 7 or 8 years, During which time there have been 5 different managers including Houllier, Alain Perrin and Remy Garde . So Baticle seems he is the bit of consistency around the club, also it doesn't look like he has moved away from France during his career either, so I would say he is the main stumbling block.
Block Dover and Calais ports and burn their lorries until they let us have him.
I wonder if it would be worth instigating a second Hundred Years War if it means getting them in.
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If we cannot get the team around Garde that he wants, I would say look elsewhere, he would obviously not be comfortable without what he sees as his working set up.
Also on Dave W point about the mention of Arsenal and how often it keeps cropping up, this is a concern because if Fox and his team are trying to model and also set their goals, targets on the Arsenal model, they need to have clearly identified the differences that I believe in the next 5 maybe 10 years could not be matched unless we have a change of ownership and that person has very big pockets, we have not had a leader of the team in place for the last 20 years, we do not at the moment sit in a stadium of 70K plus, we do not charge some of the most expensive ticket prices in world football, let alone England, so do not have anywhere near they income streams, it is a very ambitious and ultimately a good long term plan to try to achieve, but long term being the important word, in between that, I do not want the Villa to go down the road of being a testing ground for future Arsenal managers and yes I know that means they would only want him if he has been a success, but it is the stability of this club they must be focusing on firstly, lastly and only.
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I think the heady, happy days of BFR singalongs on the team bus may be coming back. Remi Garde clearly wants Duverne for the excellent work leading the Andrews Sisters. Belting out Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy pulling into Anfield will give them something to think about.
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Most managers bring their own team with them, it comes down to compensation, if Villa pay enough they will get the staff he wants.
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Well if he's not coming then everyone needs to stop banging on in the media and we need to move on..
Souness says Pearson
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3292637/Aston-Villa-encouraged-target-former-Leicester-manager-Nigel-Pearson-club-continues-search-new-boss.html
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what's stopping these two just resigning? And then moving to Brum pronto.
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Don't think they want to
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I'm not sure they would have sacked Sherwood if they knew they would have problems getting their replacements in. Maybe they're just thrashing out compensation.
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A lot is being made of the language barrier being a big problem for the 5 french speaking players we signed in the summer. Well if we do get Garde great for them but what about the rest? How good is his English? Excellent I hope otherwise we stand to drop another major clanger.
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A lot is being made of the language barrier being a big problem for the 5 french speaking players we signed in the summer. Well if we do get Garde great for them but what about the rest? How good is his English? Excellent I hope otherwise we stand to drop another major clanger.
How did Pochettino's limited English hurt Southampton when he first joined them?
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A lot is being made of the language barrier being a big problem for the 5 french speaking players we signed in the summer. Well if we do get Garde great for them but what about the rest? How good is his English? Excellent I hope otherwise we stand to drop another major clanger.
How did Pochettino's limited English hurt Southampton when he first joined them?
No, but Sherwood's limited grasp of English certainly didn't do us much good!
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A lot is being made of the language barrier being a big problem for the 5 french speaking players we signed in the summer. Well if we do get Garde great for them but what about the rest? How good is his English? Excellent I hope otherwise we stand to drop another major clanger.
He did spend three years at Arsenal so maybe he picked up the odd word here and there.
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A lot is being made of the language barrier being a big problem for the 5 french speaking players we signed in the summer. Well if we do get Garde great for them but what about the rest? How good is his English? Excellent I hope otherwise we stand to drop another major clanger.
How did Pochettino's limited English hurt Southampton when he first joined them?
No, but Sherwood's limited grasp of English certainly didn't do us much good!
It was not Sherwood's language that was the problem, it was his use of hand signals that dumbfounded everyone.
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Wasn't he nicknamed the ambassador as he acted as a cnduit between the French and English players?
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Wasn't he nicknamed the ambassador as he acted as a cnduit between the French and English players?
No, it's because he always gave everyone Ferrero Rocher for Christmas.
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Learning a language is difficult, for some impossible.This situation must occur at every club and after many years of foreign imports coming in it should have been solved by now.I know I have brought up the vexed question of how do they get on when training?.How can they take in the instructions from the English speaking coach. I wrote to the club about this but they didn't reply.Lorna cannot be available all the time to translate so they must have something in place.
Or do they?
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A lot is being made of the language barrier being a big problem for the 5 french speaking players we signed in the summer. Well if we do get Garde great for them but what about the rest? How good is his English? Excellent I hope otherwise we stand to drop another major clanger.
How did Pochettino's limited English hurt Southampton when he first joined them?
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I was simply asking an obvious question as a lot of pundits have made the point about the language barrier in our dressing room.
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Don't think they want to
This is what it will come down to, surely.
If they're wanted and want to come, it will happen. If they're not interested in the move it makes no difference how much the club or Garde want them to come.
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A lot is being made of the language barrier being a big problem for the 5 french speaking players we signed in the summer. Well if we do get Garde great for them but what about the rest? How good is his English? Excellent I hope otherwise we stand to drop another major clanger.
How did Pochettino's limited English hurt Southampton when he first joined them?
I was simply asking an obvious question as a lot of pundits have made the point about the language barrier in our dressing room.
But curiously isn't a problem in any of the other 19 multi national squads in the league.
File under media searching for more sticks to beat the club with, as the original outrage story has pretty much run it's course.
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A lot is being made of the language barrier being a big problem for the 5 french speaking players we signed in the summer. Well if we do get Garde great for them but what about the rest? How good is his English? Excellent I hope otherwise we stand to drop another major clanger.
He did spend three years at Arsenal so maybe he picked up the odd word here and there.
like I said I hope his English is excellent.
Thanks for the sarcastic answer though that really helped.
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A lot is being made of the language barrier being a big problem for the 5 french speaking players we signed in the summer. Well if we do get Garde great for them but what about the rest? How good is his English? Excellent I hope otherwise we stand to drop another major clanger.
He's fluent in English
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A lot is being made of the language barrier being a big problem for the 5 french speaking players we signed in the summer. Well if we do get Garde great for them but what about the rest? How good is his English? Excellent I hope otherwise we stand to drop another major clanger.
He's fluent in English
Thank you. That's all I wanted to know.
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I'm increasingly concerned that we won't get him, and if the reason for that is the board saying 'we have enough physios' then you'd really have to despair at their arrogance and inflexibility.
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All those physios should help with the inflexibility.
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I'm increasingly concerned that we won't get him, and if the reason for that is the board saying 'we have enough physios' then you'd really have to despair at their arrogance and inflexibility.
Come on Monty, the third working day since sacking has hardly started yet!
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A lot is being made of the language barrier being a big problem for the 5 french speaking players we signed in the summer. Well if we do get Garde great for them but what about the rest? How good is his English? Excellent I hope otherwise we stand to drop another major clanger.
How did Pochettino's limited English hurt Southampton when he first joined them?
I was simply asking an obvious question as a lot of pundits have made the point about the language barrier in our dressing room.
But curiously isn't a problem in any of the other 19 multi national squads in the league.
File under media searching for more sticks to beat the club with, as the original outrage story has pretty much run it's course.
I wasn't saying it is a problem. I'm saying that many pundits (including the mumbling scotsman called Paul Lambert) are making an issue of the 5 french recruits not speaking English. I've now been informed that Garde speaks fluent English so that's answered my original question.
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A lot is being made of the language barrier being a big problem for the 5 french speaking players we signed in the summer. Well if we do get Garde great for them but what about the rest? How good is his English? Excellent I hope otherwise we stand to drop another major clanger.
He's fluent in English
Thank you. That's all I wanted to know.
According to the French journalist on this week's Guardian football podcast, he speaks excellent English.
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The English speaking french players translate. It is not uncommon and happens everywhere.
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I don't like being negative but I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the injury crisis when this fitness bloke was with us before.
Yes Percy but the current lot don't seem to be pulling up any trees. We look dead in the last 20 minutes of every game since Bournemouth, Blues aside.
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Since then we have had about 5 more injury crisis hit, that have been just as bad though.
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We seem to have been getting bad injuries down BH for a while , broken legs, ligaments done etc. Was it true Karsa put Benteke out for a few weeks by going through the back of him in a challenge in a game at BH ?!
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A lot is being made of the language barrier being a big problem for the 5 french speaking players we signed in the summer. Well if we do get Garde great for them but what about the rest? How good is his English? Excellent I hope otherwise we stand to drop another major clanger.
How did Pochettino's limited English hurt Southampton when he first joined them?
I was simply asking an obvious question as a lot of pundits have made the point about the language barrier in our dressing room.
But curiously isn't a problem in any of the other 19 multi national squads in the league.
File under media searching for more sticks to beat the club with, as the original outrage story has pretty much run it's course.
How dare Villa get rid of a Proper Football Man like Sherwood, Redcrap's heir and protege. Who is going to write the Press's headlines.
Forget the results, Villa should have stuck with a Proper Football Man
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So Baticle is a forwards coach, Duverne fitness, Garde the tactician and Genesio his long standing friend and assistant.
Linked with Galtier from St Etienne tonight too.
Fuck me, what next?... Jockstrap Technician?
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We seem to have been getting bad injuries down BH for a while , broken legs, ligaments done etc. Was it true Karsa put Benteke out for a few weeks by going through the back of him in a challenge in a game at BH ?!
Source?
Or is another bullshit supposition?
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A lot is being made of the language barrier being a big problem for the 5 french speaking players we signed in the summer. Well if we do get Garde great for them but what about the rest? How good is his English? Excellent I hope otherwise we stand to drop another major clanger.
How did Pochettino's limited English hurt Southampton when he first joined them?
I was simply asking an obvious question as a lot of pundits have made the point about the language barrier in our dressing room.
A lot of pundits are horrendous simpletons who think that the only reason we're not doing well is because poor Timmy Sherwood wasn't allowed to buy Aaron Lennon.
And whether his English is perfect or not, that wouldn't make any potential move for him a 'major clanger' as Pochettino and Southampton have proven.
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We seem to have been getting bad injuries down BH for a while , broken legs, ligaments done etc. Was it true Karsa put Benteke out for a few weeks by going through the back of him in a challenge in a game at BH ?!
Source?
Or is another bullshit supposition?
That story was doing the rounds quite a bit at the time .
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A lot is being made of the language barrier being a big problem for the 5 french speaking players we signed in the summer. Well if we do get Garde great for them but what about the rest? How good is his English? Excellent I hope otherwise we stand to drop another major clanger.
How did Pochettino's limited English hurt Southampton when he first joined them?
I was simply asking an obvious question as a lot of pundits have made the point about the language barrier in our dressing room.
But curiously isn't a problem in any of the other 19 multi national squads in the league.
File under media searching for more sticks to beat the club with, as the original outrage story has pretty much run it's course.
I wasn't saying it is a problem. I'm saying that many pundits (including the mumbling scotsman called Paul Lambert) are making an issue of the 5 french recruits not speaking English. I've now been informed that Garde speaks fluent English so that's answered my original question.
Sorry if that came across as a bit sarky. It's the constant stream of bullshit the media use to colour peoples view, such as making an issue of of something that's not a problem anywhere else that I was having a go at. Woodward and Bernstein they're not.
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Our last 3 managers spoke English as their mother tongue - but all three came out with some utter bollocks at times.
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A lot is being made of the language barrier being a big problem for the 5 french speaking players we signed in the summer. Well if we do get Garde great for them but what about the rest? How good is his English? Excellent I hope otherwise we stand to drop another major clanger.
He's fluent in English
Who's going to translate for Gabby then?
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I don't want to be unkind, but I suspect all the players - even those whose first language is English - will have less trouble understanding Garde than they did Lambert.
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A lot is being made of the language barrier being a big problem for the 5 french speaking players we signed in the summer. Well if we do get Garde great for them but what about the rest? How good is his English? Excellent I hope otherwise we stand to drop another major clanger.
How did Pochettino's limited English hurt Southampton when he first joined them?
I was simply asking an obvious question as a lot of pundits have made the point about the language barrier in our dressing room.
But curiously isn't a problem in any of the other 19 multi national squads in the league.
File under media searching for more sticks to beat the club with, as the original outrage story has pretty much run it's course.
I wasn't saying it is a problem. I'm saying that many pundits (including the mumbling scotsman called Paul Lambert) are making an issue of the 5 french recruits not speaking English. I've now been informed that Garde speaks fluent English so that's answered my original question.
Sorry if that came across as a bit sarky. It's the constant stream of bullshit the media use to colour peoples view, such as making an issue of of something that's not a problem anywhere else that I was having a go at. Woodward and Bernstein they're not.
A lot is being made of the language barrier being a big problem for the 5 french speaking players we signed in the summer. Well if we do get Garde great for them but what about the rest? How good is his English? Excellent I hope otherwise we stand to drop another major clanger.
How did Pochettino's limited English hurt Southampton when he first joined them?
I was simply asking an obvious question as a lot of pundits have made the point about the language barrier in our dressing room.
But curiously isn't a problem in any of the other 19 multi national squads in the league.
File under media searching for more sticks to beat the club with, as the original outrage story has pretty much run it's course.
I wasn't saying it is a problem. I'm saying that many pundits (including the mumbling scotsman called Paul Lambert) are making an issue of the 5 french recruits not speaking English. I've now been informed that Garde speaks fluent English so that's answered my original question.
Sorry if that came across as a bit sarky. It's the constant stream of bullshit the media use to colour peoples view, such as making an issue of of something that's not a problem anywhere else that I was having a go at. Woodward and Bernstein they're not.
No problem man. We will never be media darlings cos we're not in London or Manchester. But who cares. We are The Villa and I wouldn't swap that for anything.
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No problem man. We will never be media darlings cos we're not in London or Manchester. But who cares. We are The Villa and I wouldn't swap that for anything.
Too bloody true.
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We seem to have been getting bad injuries down BH for a while , broken legs, ligaments done etc. Was it true Karsa put Benteke out for a few weeks by going through the back of him in a challenge in a game at BH ?!
Source?
Or is another bullshit supposition?
That story was doing the rounds quite a bit at the time .
Sounds like a bullshit supposition to me. And if it sounds like one then the chances are it most likely is one. And it would surprise no-one if it was bullshit.
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We seem to have been getting bad injuries down BH for a while , broken legs, ligaments done etc. Was it true Karsa put Benteke out for a few weeks by going through the back of him in a challenge in a game at BH ?!
Source?
Or is another bullshit supposition?
That story was doing the rounds quite a bit at the time .
Why would Karsa be playing in and tackling people in a training match, any more than Paul Faulkner or Nicky Keye would have been?
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Saying Karsa's job consisted of watching videos to scout opponents and players, the chances of him taking Benteke out seem remote.
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Our last 3 managers spoke English as their mother tongue - but all three came out with some utter bollocks at times.
Talking of ex managers, this one needs to shut the fuck up
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2015/10/28/paullambert-villa-need-to-get-real-if-they-are-to-survive-if-they-are-to-survive/
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Looking at the physique of Karsa he'd have needed a motorbike to catch Benteke
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Saying Karsa's job consisted of watching videos to scout opponents and players, the chances of him taking Benteke out seem remote.
Yeah. But the Story Was Doing the Rounds (in Silhill's mind at least) so it must be true.
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Saying Karsa's job consisted of watching videos to scout opponents and players, the chances of him taking Benteke out seem remote.
Yeah. But the Story Was Doing the Rounds (in Silhill's mind at least) so it must be true.
Don't you remember it being all over here at the time.......surely........oh, er me neither!
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Saying Karsa's job consisted of watching videos to scout opponents and players, the chances of him taking Benteke out seem remote.
Yeah. But the Story Was Doing the Rounds (in Silhill's mind at least) so it must be true.
He was sacked for disciplinary issues, which many thought at the time to be bullying, so it's not beyond the realms of possibilities is it .
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Looking at the physique of Karsa he'd have needed a motorbike to catch Benteke
Perhaps he used a Segway!
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The Sun (I know) has put another name in the frame - Christophe Galtier of St Etienne. Have to admit I'd never heard of him
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We seem to have been getting bad injuries down BH for a while , broken legs, ligaments done etc. Was it true Karsa put Benteke out for a few weeks by going through the back of him in a challenge in a game at BH ?!
Source?
Or is another bullshit supposition?
That story was doing the rounds quite a bit at the time .
Why would Karsa be playing in and tackling people in a training match, any more than Paul Faulkner or Nicky Keye would have been?
Karsa used to run training sessions, according to several reports.
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Garde was born in 1966, so was Galtier and so was I. We all live in France. Is this a sign?
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I don't want to be unkind, but I suspect all the players - even those whose first language is English - will have less trouble understanding Garde than they did Lambert.
That's harsh but true!!
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I cant see this Garde deal coming off, think Lyon have well and truly scuppered it. If the coaches want to work with Garde again, why have they just not resigned and left us to sort compo out later!?
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Garde was born in 1966, so was Galtier and so was I. We all live in France. Is this a sign?
Exactly the same for Cantona. It can only mean Eric is going to be our new manager.
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I'm worried Garde won't come because if I were his coaches, I'd stay put. Why leave a job where they've extended your contract to come here, where they will probably be sacked come the end of the season.
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We should probably enjoy this hiatus, while we a looking for a new manager.
At least right now, we can all hope and dream of a new saviour coming in on his white charger to save us and make everything brilliiant.
Because, as sure as shit is brown, it's gonna be a bumpy, gut wrenching, nervous few months when the new bloke comes in.
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Bad English & SamTheMouse, is there something in French contract law which would prevent them leaving as easily as they might be able to here?
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We seem to have been getting bad injuries down BH for a while , broken legs, ligaments done etc. Was it true Karsa put Benteke out for a few weeks by going through the back of him in a challenge in a game at BH ?!
Source?
Or is another bullshit supposition?
That story was doing the rounds quite a bit at the time .
Why would Karsa be playing in and tackling people in a training match, any more than Paul Faulkner or Nicky Keye would have been?
Karsa used to run training sessions, according to several reports.
But running a training session isn't really the same as playing as a defender in a training match is it?
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Bad English & SamTheMouse, is there something in French contract law which would prevent them leaving as easily as they might be able to here?
Not as far as I know. In fact, it might be the other way around, since French labour law generally affords more protection to the employee than the employer. Like any other employee, their contracts would presumably be covered by the Code du travail, so they would be allowed to leave, but the employer would need to be compensated if they didn't work a two-month notice period.
Edit: Just looked it up, and it seems there are special conditions for fixed-term contracts in the sports industry. These can only be terminated early in certain situations: by mutual agreement; force majeure; if the employee is considered medically unfit for work; misconduct by either party; or if the employee is moving to take up a permanent employment contract elsewhere.
Those conditions apply to footballers - not sure about the backroom staff's contract arrangements.
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Garde was born in 1966, so was Galtier and so was I. We all live in France. Is this a sign?
No doesn't work for me. 1966 was a bad year because West Ham won the World Cup.
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We seem to have been getting bad injuries down BH for a while , broken legs, ligaments done etc. Was it true Karsa put Benteke out for a few weeks by going through the back of him in a challenge in a game at BH ?!
Source?
Or is another bullshit supposition?
That story was doing the rounds quite a bit at the time .
Then I'm sure you could provide a link to it.
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Huh. So, we should just be able to fling money at Lyon and, if Baticle wanted to come, Aulas and co. would have no choice but to let him come?
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I wonder if a compromise could be sought where one is released to Garde now, and 1 when Lyon have found a suitable replacement with us finding a short term solution either in house or Garde identifying another forwards coach that he would be happy to work with. That Henry fella would be good.
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Bad English & SamTheMouse, is there something in French contract law which would prevent them leaving as easily as they might be able to here?
I doubt that as French freedom of choice is well above anything that EC employment regulations dictate. If Garde knew that he will not work without those two than I am baffled as to why he didn't establish their availability before declaring his interest?
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Huh. So, we should just be able to fling money at Lyon and, if Baticle wanted to come, Aulas and co. would have no choice but to let him come?
I dunno actually. See my edit above.
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Bad English & SamTheMouse, is there something in French contract law which would prevent them leaving as easily as they might be able to here?
Not as far as I know. In fact, it might be the other way around, since French labour law generally affords more protection to the employee than the employer. Like any other employee, their contracts would presumably be covered by the Code du travail, so they would be allowed to leave, but the employer would need to be compensated if they didn't work a two-month notice period.
Could just be the process they are going through. It's only been 3 days. In that time it's given every British "expert" a chance to pedal out every one of their lads as the next Villa manager. I'll panic when reputable sources like Julien Laurens or Phillipe Auclair, or the club themselves suggest that this isn't going well, or that he isn't a target. So far since both of the sources from France have reported interest from us, in return from Garde there has no real update from them. And since that time we've been treated to the wisdom of expert and world renowned pundits like Redknapp, Jenas, Alan Brazil and numerous other mates of Sherwood's.
Let's breathe, enjoy our victory tonight and hopefully the club is taking the time it needs to get the right man in place by the weekend or shortly after.
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hear, hear.
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In fact, thinking about it, the fixed-term contract conditions I mentioned above apply to all such contracts, in all industries. So they will definitely apply to the backroom staff.
Which means the only way to get Garde's coaches from Lyon is by mutual agreement (i.e. make the club an offer they can't refuse) or by offering the coaches permanent employment contracts.
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Agree with TV. One thing we know for sure when our people decide to go after someone they always end up getting them. There is usually a period of quiet activity inbetween where we panic and Press makes lurid irresponsible suggestions!
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Psycho sez Dyche.
Villa are searching for a new boss to lead them out of an ongoing relegation battle, and Stuart Pearce has told talkSPORT that the Midlands side should look to hire Sean Dyche of Burnley, who he calls the best manager outside of the Premier League.
Pearce said: “If I was Aston Villa, I would go and get Sean Dyche. He is the best manager outside the Premier League at this moment in time. Danny Ings, Kieran Trippier and Jason Shackell all left in the summer and Dyche has still managed to maintain Burnley.”
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Psycho sez Dyche.
Villa are searching for a new boss to lead them out of an ongoing relegation battle, and Stuart Pearce has told talkSPORT that the Midlands side should look to hire Sean Dyche of Burnley, who he calls the best manager outside of the Premier League.
Pearce said: “If I was Aston Villa, I would go and get Sean Dyche. He is the best manager outside the Premier League at this moment in time. Danny Ings, Kieran Trippier and Jason Shackell all left in the summer and Dyche has still managed to maintain Burnley.”
Another one of England's lads and managerial recruitment guru speaks. Thanks Stuart. I imagine you roared your opinion with fist clenched.
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Psycho sez Dyche.
Villa are searching for a new boss to lead them out of an ongoing relegation battle, and Stuart Pearce has told talkSPORT that the Midlands side should look to hire Sean Dyche of Burnley, who he calls the best manager outside of the Premier League.
Pearce said: “If I was Aston Villa, I would go and get Sean Dyche. He is the best manager outside the Premier League at this moment in time. Danny Ings, Kieran Trippier and Jason Shackell all left in the summer and Dyche has still managed to maintain Burnley.”
He is one of the best managers in England outside the Premier League. I dare say there are a few other managers in Germany, Spain, France etc... who are probably better.
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Psycho sez Dyche.
Villa are searching for a new boss to lead them out of an ongoing relegation battle, and Stuart Pearce has told talkSPORT that the Midlands side should look to hire Sean Dyche of Burnley, who he calls the best manager outside of the Premier League.
Pearce said: “If I was Aston Villa, I would go and get Sean Dyche. He is the best manager outside the Premier League at this moment in time. Danny Ings, Kieran Trippier and Jason Shackell all left in the summer and Dyche has still managed to maintain Burnley.”
He is one of the best managers in England outside the Premier League. I dare say there are a few other managers in Germany, Spain, France etc... who are probably better.
Wash your mouth out. Everyone knows that those cheeky foreign types only get their chances over here because of the patronage of all these foreign owners. It's got nothing at all to do with the fact that most of them can't hack it at the top levels when they have to go up against people who've actually got a clue.
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Psycho sez Dyche.
Villa are searching for a new boss to lead them out of an ongoing relegation battle, and Stuart Pearce has told talkSPORT that the Midlands side should look to hire Sean Dyche of Burnley, who he calls the best manager outside of the Premier League.
Pearce said: “If I was Aston Villa, I would go and get Sean Dyche. He is the best manager outside the Premier League at this moment in time. Danny Ings, Kieran Trippier and Jason Shackell all left in the summer and Dyche has still managed to maintain Burnley.”
He is one of the best managers in England outside the Premier League. I dare say there are a few other managers in Germany, Spain, France etc... who are probably better.
A Proper Football Man and a proper bloody bloke.
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Psycho sez Dyche.
Villa are searching for a new boss to lead them out of an ongoing relegation battle, and Stuart Pearce has told talkSPORT that the Midlands side should look to hire Sean Dyche of Burnley, who he calls the best manager outside of the Premier League.
Pearce said: “If I was Aston Villa, I would go and get Sean Dyche. He is the best manager outside the Premier League at this moment in time. Danny Ings, Kieran Trippier and Jason Shackell all left in the summer and Dyche has still managed to maintain Burnley.”
He is one of the best managers in England outside the Premier League. I dare say there are a few other managers in Germany, Spain, France etc... who are probably better.
But are they 'proper football men'..... There is a real xenophobia about English football at times.
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Can you imagine. Burnley couldn't score for love nor money last season. Not a record that screams appoint me to a relegation fight is it.
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Psycho sez Dyche.
Villa are searching for a new boss to lead them out of an ongoing relegation battle, and Stuart Pearce has told talkSPORT that the Midlands side should look to hire Sean Dyche of Burnley, who he calls the best manager outside of the Premier League.
Pearce said: “If I was Aston Villa, I would go and get Sean Dyche. He is the best manager outside the Premier League at this moment in time. Danny Ings, Kieran Trippier and Jason Shackell all left in the summer and Dyche has still managed to maintain Burnley.”
And all he had to do was spend £8m on a new striker.
What a genius.
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Psycho sez Dyche.
Villa are searching for a new boss to lead them out of an ongoing relegation battle, and Stuart Pearce has told talkSPORT that the Midlands side should look to hire Sean Dyche of Burnley, who he calls the best manager outside of the Premier League.
Pearce said: “If I was Aston Villa, I would go and get Sean Dyche. He is the best manager outside the Premier League at this moment in time. Danny Ings, Kieran Trippier and Jason Shackell all left in the summer and Dyche has still managed to maintain Burnley.”
He is one of the best managers in England outside the Premier League. I dare say there are a few other managers in Germany, Spain, France etc... who are probably better.
A Proper Football Man and a proper bloody bloke.
Grant Holt was a proper man according to TSM2. No non-pie-based improprieties.
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Has Trippier played for Spurs yet at all?
Curbishley and Hoddle have not been linked yet. Disappointing.
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Has Trippier played for Spurs yet at all?
Curbishley and Hoddle have not been linked yet. Disappointing.
Curbs has just been on SSN saying Randy spoke to him a few years back when the job was available but then went with someone else.
I actually like Curbs but as he said he's been out of management far too long
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Has Trippier played for Spurs yet at all?
Curbishley and Hoddle have not been linked yet. Disappointing.
or Avram Grant...;)
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Right now I'd settle for Avram Grant's piss-drinking wife.
Google it.
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Has Trippier played for Spurs yet at all?
Curbishley and Hoddle have not been linked yet. Disappointing.
Don't think so, and on the same note, Lowton is not getting much of a look in as his replacement at Burnley!
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Sven Goran Eriksson
Been a while since he had a pay off
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Has Trippier played for Spurs yet at all?
Curbishley and Hoddle have not been linked yet. Disappointing.
Curbs has just been on SSN saying Randy spoke to him a few years back when the job was available but then went with someone else.
I actually like Curbs but as he said he's been out of management far too long
Agree we should have hired him when MON fucked off but I think he'd had a dispute with The Academy.
Ship has sailed long since.
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We seem to have been getting bad injuries down BH for a while , broken legs, ligaments done etc. Was it true Karsa put Benteke out for a few weeks by going through the back of him in a challenge in a game at BH ?!
Source?
Or is another bullshit supposition?
That story was doing the rounds quite a bit at the time .
Then I'm sure you could provide a link to it.
I am assuming you are asking in hope rather than expectation.
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It's in either the karsa / culverhouse thread or the Benteke thread , may even be in the Paul lambert thread from when the 2 got initially suspended and then subsequently sacked .
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At least Pearce didn't recommend himself
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We seem to have been getting bad injuries down BH for a while , broken legs, ligaments done etc. Was it true Karsa put Benteke out for a few weeks by going through the back of him in a challenge in a game at BH ?!
Source?
Or is another bullshit supposition?
That story was doing the rounds quite a bit at the time .
Then I'm sure you could provide a link to it.
I am assuming you are asking in hope rather than expectation.
I dont claim for one minute to be in the know but a mate of mine at work knows an ex football man who knows Gordon Cowans who gave him this info, Gordon said Culverhouse made the tackle in training that caused Benteke's long term injury, Gordon then had a go at Culverhouse about it who got very aggressive, Gabby and Fabian got involved against Culverhouse which led to Karsa diving in, this led to a full on fight which eventually led to the club suspensions.
I guess he's talking about the above.
But it's still impressive that he could remember the gist of the above, but not stop to think that a bloke whose job revolves around laptops and spreadsheets is unlikely to be launching into tackles in training sessions.
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It was rumoured to be Culverhouse, not Karsa. I have just read the thread. Anything to not do an assignment.
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Wouldn't it have been leaked more if Shithouse or Karsa had injured Benteke?
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Has Trippier played for Spurs yet at all?
Curbishley and Hoddle have not been linked yet. Disappointing.
Curbs has just been on SSN saying Randy spoke to him a few years back when the job was available but then went with someone else.
I actually like Curbs but as he said he's been out of management far too long
Apparently he missed the interview because his Sat Nav couldn't find Birminem.
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Shithouse - would make a great book title for Culverhouse's time at the Villa ;D
Back on thread - is Maradonna still interested? Did see Curbs on Sky earlier suggesting he's ready for a new challenge and would expect him to chuck his hat into the ring at some point.
I'm waiting to see if the Remy Garde link goes cold before I put together a covering letter and update my CV - only stumbling block I need to get Dion Dublin and Alan Wrights buy in as my assistants and I know Dubs has daytime TV commitments currently.
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Psycho sez Dyche.
Villa are searching for a new boss to lead them out of an ongoing relegation battle, and Stuart Pearce has told talkSPORT that the Midlands side should look to hire Sean Dyche of Burnley, who he calls the best manager outside of the Premier League.
Pearce said: “If I was Aston Villa, I would go and get Sean Dyche. He is the best manager outside the Premier League at this moment in time. Danny Ings, Kieran Trippier and Jason Shackell all left in the summer and Dyche has still managed to maintain Burnley.”
Another one of England's lads and managerial recruitment guru speaks. Thanks Stuart. I imagine you roared your opinion with fist clenched.
Time will tell, but he is highly rated. I'm struggling to remember exactly what I have read but the opinion coming out of St Georges Park (or whatever it is called) is that he's been their best graduate. They also said that he's continued to go there to study and teach the current students. I would not want him as our manager but the guy seems to be doing it correctly (studiously?) which is not something I typically associate with british managers.
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I don't know if I heard the radio correctly this morning as I got into the car, but I heard speculation about Nigel Clough being our new manager?
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Psycho sez Dyche.
Villa are searching for a new boss to lead them out of an ongoing relegation battle, and Stuart Pearce has told talkSPORT that the Midlands side should look to hire Sean Dyche of Burnley, who he calls the best manager outside of the Premier League.
Pearce said: “If I was Aston Villa, I would go and get Sean Dyche. He is the best manager outside the Premier League at this moment in time. Danny Ings, Kieran Trippier and Jason Shackell all left in the summer and Dyche has still managed to maintain Burnley.”
Another one of England's lads and managerial recruitment guru speaks. Thanks Stuart. I imagine you roared your opinion with fist clenched.
Time will tell, but he is highly rated. I'm struggling to remember exactly what I have read but the opinion coming out of St Georges Park (or whatever it is called) is that he's been their best graduate. They also said that he's continued to go there to study and teach the current students. I would not want him as our manager but the guy seems to be doing it correctly (studiously?) which is not something I typically associate with british managers.
I do quite like him (voice aside).
Watching his teams they look like they have been coached, they look organised and appear to have a coherent way of playing. Something we haven't seen in 5 years.
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Has Justin Edinburgh not been added to the poll yet?
Big move in the betting markets apparently.
Baggies fan (who follows a lot of football at all levels) at work said last week before Sherwood was sacked, and before he himself went on his jollies that Edinburgh is considered by many as the best manager outside the Prem at the moment. Supposedly got Gillingham doing well. Fucked if I know
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thank fuck! Poyet is off to AEK Athens
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I don't know if I heard the radio correctly this morning as I got into the car, but I heard speculation about Nigel Clough being our new manager?
As there is no actual news, there is only speculation.
Some of it seems reasonable - Nigel Clough wouldnt be completely terrible, and then you get the pointless of Rednapp ruling himself out when no-one was going to suggest him, and the ridicious of Rio (seriously?) saying it should be Dwight Yorke.
Rio is a terrible pointless pundit ( who only was on the BBC's Brazil WC team because of his name), but thats another topic.
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I'm already looking forward to Garde's touchline celebrations when Ayew & Co smack them into the onion bag
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I wouldn't mind having David Moyes or Michael Laudrup any one of those two would be good.
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thank fuck! Poyet is off to AEK Athens
I hope you are right.
On a similar note, I'm hoping Di Canio is happy in full time employment somewhere
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I don't know if I heard the radio correctly this morning as I got into the car, but I heard speculation about Nigel Clough being our new manager?
Well I was listening to the radio this morning and all I heard was Bette Midler singing 'the wind beneath my wings', and she didn't mention Clough.
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Yes give it couple of days and Paul Jewell, Phil Brown, Gary Megson, Brian Marwood, Gordon Strachan, Terry Butcher and Ian Holloway will all be linked with the job.
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I don't know if I heard the radio correctly this morning as I got into the car, but I heard speculation about Nigel Clough being our new manager?
It was suggested that he could take over at Forest if Doug Freeman got the sack.
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I wouldn't have thought any employee is tied to an employer as wouldn't that be slavery. A contract can be broken and recourse is compensation.
Where it is a bit different in football is where governing bodies e.g. FIFA control registrations and prevent breaking of contracts. This applies to players but I do not think it would extend to coaches.
It will come down to whether the AM gets a better offer to stay at Lyon.
I would not have thought we would have got as far as reported with Garde if he hadn't checked out his backroom team beforehand or he has alternatives.
These things take time and a new team was not going to walk in the door as Sherwood walked out the door unless it had been set up beforehand. Perhaps it has and Sherwood seemingly giving up was due to this.
There is a news void between one manager leaving and another coming in and the media have to fill it.
As with our signings in the summer, very little came out of the club until the players turned up in Birmingham.
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Has Trippier played for Spurs yet at all?
Curbishley and Hoddle have not been linked yet. Disappointing.
or Avram Grant...;)
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Avram is usually at Bliss massage parlour in Hagley Road on Thursday mornings so I will see him tomorrow. If you good people have some leading questions I should ask him please let me know?
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I wouldn't mind having David Moyes or Michael Laudrup any one of those two would be good.
How about both Darren working as home and away managers?
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Yes give it couple of days and Paul Jewell, Phil Brown, Gary Megson, Brian Marwood, Gordon Strachan, Terry Butcher and Ian Holloway will all be linked with the job.
And how about Jimmy Jewell, Bobby Brown, Michaela Strachan, Pat Butcher?
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He's back - @whispers_avfc: i welcome remi garde.
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He's back - @whispers_avfc: i welcome remi garde.
???
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The bloke on Twitter who makes things up.
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Actually, that just about sums Twitter up for me...
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Actually, that just about sums Twitter up for me...
Is Sillhill a fan / user?
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Yes give it couple of days and Paul Jewell, Phil Brown, Gary Megson, Brian Marwood, Gordon Strachan, Terry Butcher and Ian Holloway will all be linked with the job.
And how about Jimmy Jewell, Bobby Brown, Michaela Strachan, Pat Butcher?
Strange. I've just seen ALL of them at The Belfry
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If we honestly are stuck on getting either Moyes or Garde in right now, should we not simply stick with KMac? I am rather concerned that if we start working our way down a list of preferences starting with Moyes and crossing them off as they say no, we’ll end up with another disaster on our hands. As hard as it may seem, it strikes me that were we unable to get our two top preferences, we should simply stick it out take the risk and try again in the summer. I know this is like playing relegation roulette, but I don’t think any of us can stomach another poor managerial appointment.
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If we honestly are stuck on getting either Moyes or Garde in right now, should we not simply stick with KMac? I am rather concerned that if we start working our way down a list of preferences starting with Moyes and crossing them off as they say no, we’ll end up with another disaster on our hands. As hard as it may seem, it strikes me that were we unable to get our two top preferences, we should simply stick it out take the risk and try again in the summer. I know this is like playing relegation roulette, but I don’t think any of us can stomach another poor managerial appointment.
If we dont get Remi Garde we should go for someone similar. With this in mind I think we should go for Remi Moses, for two reasons.
1. We have already learnt his christian name.
2. We might need a miracle if this carries on much longer.
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Actually, that just about sums Twitter up for me...
Is Sillhill a fan / user?
Oh bloody hell, don't encourage him.
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If we honestly are stuck on getting either Moyes or Garde in right now, should we not simply stick with KMac? I am rather concerned that if we start working our way down a list of preferences starting with Moyes and crossing them off as they say no, we’ll end up with another disaster on our hands. As hard as it may seem, it strikes me that were we unable to get our two top preferences, we should simply stick it out take the risk and try again in the summer. I know this is like playing relegation roulette, but I don’t think any of us can stomach another poor managerial appointment.
If we dont get Remi Garde we should go for someone similar. With this in mind I think we should go for Remi Moses, for two reasons.
1. We have already learnt his christian name.
2. We might need a miracle if this carries on much longer.
This is a good idea. We should make a phonecall to the Stone Roses drummer, Reni, while we're at it.
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A young intern was just seen rushing into BMH with a baguette, a bag of onions and a box of the finest cabernet so I suspect @whispers_avfc is correct.
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Actually, that just about sums Twitter up for me...
Is Sillhill a fan / user?
Oh bloody hell, don't encourage him.
Chris you miss my point. Sending him over or on to some Villa Twitter Forum to moan, bemoan, whinge, stir up shit, be cynical about, promulgate nonsense may mean he spends less time here.
I don't use Twitter
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A young intern was just seen rushing into BMH with a baguette, a bag of onions and a box of the finest cabernet so I suspect @whispers_avfc is correct.
I'll only believe it when I hear the rumour that a truck has arrived at Bodymoor. New berets and striped blue and white shirts in boxes that smell like onions.
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If we honestly are stuck on getting either Moyes or Garde in right now, should we not simply stick with KMac? I am rather concerned that if we start working our way down a list of preferences starting with Moyes and crossing them off as they say no, we’ll end up with another disaster on our hands. As hard as it may seem, it strikes me that were we unable to get our two top preferences, we should simply stick it out take the risk and try again in the summer. I know this is like playing relegation roulette, but I don’t think any of us can stomach another poor managerial appointment.
If we dont get Remi Garde we should go for someone similar. With this in mind I think we should go for Remi Moses, for two reasons.
1. We have already learnt his christian name.
2. We might need a miracle if this carries on much longer.
Like it
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Actually, that just about sums Twitter up for me...
Is Sillhill a fan / user?
Oh bloody hell, don't encourage him.
Chris you miss my point. Sending him over or on to some Villa Twitter Forum to moan, bemoan, whinge, stir up shit, be cynical about, promulgate nonsense may mean he spends less time here.
I don't use Twitter
Good point. Excellent suggestion!
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I think The Samaritans might complain if SilhillVilla is allowed to have "followers".
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there seems to be a lot of ganging up and bullying on here towards sillhillvilla
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Just bantz fella. We love him really and this forum would be boring without him.
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there seems to be a lot of ganging up and bullying on here towards sillhillvilla
Indeed, most unsavoury.
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He's back - @whispers_avfc: i welcome remi garde.
In English please
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A young intern was just seen rushing into BMH with a baguette, a bag of onions and a box of the finest cabernet so I suspect @whispers_avfc is correct.
I'll only believe it when I hear the rumour that a truck has arrived at Bodymoor. New berets and striped blue and white shirts in boxes that smell like onions.
No need for that!!
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there seems to be a lot of ganging up and bullying on here towards sillhillvilla
Nope, he just tends to make stuff up to suit whatever point he's trying to make and then disappears when challenged. He asked me something on another thread, I answered but because he knows what he said was nonsense he once again ignored the response.
We've had a long time of it, bored with it now so will try to ignore, but it's certainly not 'bullying' or 'ganging up'.
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It was rumoured to be Culverhouse, not Karsa. I have just read the thread. Anything to not do an assignment.
So I wasn't imagining it. Just mixed up culverhouse and karsa
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there seems to be a lot of ganging up and bullying on here towards sillhillvilla
I don't know how long you've been coming on here (post count isn't always a true reflection) but we've literally endured years of his nonsensical melodramatic misery. So you'll find comments towards him quite polite relative to what we've put up with.
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This just in from Sky's resident Villa-blagger Pete Colley:
Aston Villa are no closer to confirming their new manager with caretaker boss Kevin MacDonald now expected to take charge of the next three matches, Sky Sports News HQ understands.
According to midlands reporter Pete Colley, Remi Garde remains the club's No 1 managerial target despite widespread newspaper reports linking former Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers and Real Sociedad manager David Moyes with the post.
Tim Sherwood was sacked on Sunday following Villa's sixth straight Premier League defeat which left them rooted to the bottom of the table and without a win since the opening day success at Bournemouth.
Talks to bring Garde to Villa Park have hit a stumbling block however, after he insisted on having his righthand man Gerald Baticle join him at the club.
Baticle is currently assisting Hubert Fournier at Lyon, having joined the club when Garde was appointed as manager in 2011.
As it stands, Lyon are preventing Baticle from speaking to Villa, a similar situation to when Newcastle approached the French side for permission to talk to the 46-year-old as they sought to appoint Garde following the departure of Alan Pardew in January.
MacDonald will take charge of the first team for Wednesday's Capital One Cup fourth-round tie against Southampton at St Mary's. Sky sources understand he will remain in charge for the Premier League games with Tottenham and Manchester City.
It is understood Villa chief executive Tom Fox wants Garde in place as manager before the home match with Everton on November 21.
That looks like they really, really, really want Garde to take it.
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A young intern was just seen rushing into BMH with a baguette, a bag of onions and a box of the finest cabernet so I suspect @whispers_avfc is correct.
I'll only believe it when I hear the rumour that a truck has arrived at Bodymoor. New berets and striped blue and white shirts in boxes that smell like onions.
I find this stereotyping about the frogs quite offensive.
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This just in from Sky's resident Villa-blagger Pete Colley:
Aston Villa are no closer to confirming their new manager with caretaker boss Kevin MacDonald now expected to take charge of the next three matches, Sky Sports News HQ understands.
According to midlands reporter Pete Colley, Remi Garde remains the club's No 1 managerial target despite widespread newspaper reports linking former Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers and Real Sociedad manager David Moyes with the post.
Tim Sherwood was sacked on Sunday following Villa's sixth straight Premier League defeat which left them rooted to the bottom of the table and without a win since the opening day success at Bournemouth.
Talks to bring Garde to Villa Park have hit a stumbling block however, after he insisted on having his righthand man Gerald Baticle join him at the club.
Baticle is currently assisting Hubert Fournier at Lyon, having joined the club when Garde was appointed as manager in 2011.
As it stands, Lyon are preventing Baticle from speaking to Villa, a similar situation to when Newcastle approached the French side for permission to talk to the 46-year-old as they sought to appoint Garde following the departure of Alan Pardew in January.
MacDonald will take charge of the first team for Wednesday's Capital One Cup fourth-round tie against Southampton at St Mary's. Sky sources understand he will remain in charge for the Premier League games with Tottenham and Manchester City.
It is understood Villa chief executive Tom Fox wants Garde in place as manager before the home match with Everton on November 21.
That looks like they really, really, really want Garde to take it.
Good. It's a nothing article really by Colley. Basically nothing has changed and they want their man and they are taking a long term approach. So no point compromising now. Hopefully it's all going well behind the scenes and he'll be revealed in good time.
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Wasn't there an excruciating delay between Houllier being approached and finally taking charge? Or does it just seem like that now? I remember him not actually picking the team for his first game after appointment against Stoke.
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Can't the assistant manager and physio just resign from their positions at the clubs they are at?
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Wasn't there an excruciating delay between Houllier being approached and finally taking charge? Or does it just seem like that now? I remember him not actually picking the team for his first game after appointment against Stoke.
Yep GED was reluctant to join , we persuaded him £££
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He was not reluctant to join. I think he had obligations to his job at the time, which delayed the appointment.
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Wasn't there an excruciating delay between Houllier being approached and finally taking charge? Or does it just seem like that now? I remember him not actually picking the team for his first game after appointment against Stoke.
Well look at it this way. MON walked out of the club before the home game with West Ham. Kevin Mac looked after things as best as possible until Houllier was announced September 8th or thereabouts. Then he couldn't start for at least two weeks because he was still waiting for FFF to grant him his release. I think his first game was Blackburn wasn't it? I don't think it would be as complex for Garde but that was a long time between MON and a permanent manager being appointed.
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Wasn't there an excruciating delay between Houllier being approached and finally taking charge? Or does it just seem like that now? I remember him not actually picking the team for his first game after appointment against Stoke.
I think he had a previous speaking arrangement with the French FA. Pulis had to bury his Mum. One of them made the game.
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Can't the assistant manager and physio just resign from their positions at the clubs they are at?
Yes, but they have to take a penalty instead of Gareth Barry in order to be allowed to outbid their release clauses. Or something.
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there seems to be a lot of ganging up and bullying on here towards sillhillvilla
I don't know how long you've been coming on here (post count isn't always a true reflection) but we've literally endured years of his nonsensical melodramatic misery. So you'll find comments towards him quite polite relative to what we've put up with.
Charming!
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Can't the assistant manager and physio just resign from their positions at the clubs they are at?
Yes, but they have to take a penalty instead of Gareth Barry in order to be allowed to outbid their release clauses. Or something.
No no you've misunderstood, they have to wait for Barry to leave the pitch and then decide if our net spend is higher than Tottenham's. If it is, we re-sign Reo-Coker.
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Can't the assistant manager and physio just resign from their positions at the clubs they are at?
Yes, but they have to take a penalty instead of Gareth Barry in order to be allowed to outbid their release clauses. Or something.
No no you've misunderstood, they have to wait for Barry to leave the pitch and then decide if our net spend is higher than Tottenham's. If it is, we re-sign Reo-Coker.
Who will have a tear in his eye at what's become of this once-great club.
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He'll organise a submarine mission to investigate how low we've sunk.
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there seems to be a lot of ganging up and bullying on here towards sillhillvilla
If people regularly make nonsensical or contradictory posts they'll be challenged. I don't think anyone has been particularly personal or spiteful.
He was banned once for going out of his way to wind people up, deliberately referring to Old Trafford as "The Theatre of Dreams" for instance, which limits the amount of sympathy he deserves.
I could see how he got the Karsa thing mixed up though, in fairness. I'd forgotten entirely what his job was.
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Wasn't there an excruciating delay between Houllier being approached and finally taking charge? Or does it just seem like that now? I remember him not actually picking the team for his first game after appointment against Stoke.
I think he had a previous speaking arrangement with the French FA. Pulis had to bury his Mum. One of them made the game.
I was going to make some kind of tasteless remark about Pulis but realise that I rather like him, in spite of myself. There's just no bullshit about him at all, he takes himself seriously but isn't vain or self-regarding.
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Wasn't there an excruciating delay between Houllier being approached and finally taking charge? Or does it just seem like that now? I remember him not actually picking the team for his first game after appointment against Stoke.
Yep GED was reluctant to join , we persuaded him £££
Which again isn't true. The French FA wanted him to serve a notice period so he ended up taking extended leave, or similar.
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Wasn't there an excruciating delay between Houllier being approached and finally taking charge? Or does it just seem like that now? I remember him not actually picking the team for his first game after appointment against Stoke.
I think he had a previous speaking arrangement with the French FA. Pulis had to bury his Mum. One of them made the game.
I was going to make some kind of tasteless remark about Pulis but realise that I rather like him, in spite of myself. There's just no bullshit about him at all, he takes himself seriously but isn't vain or self-regarding.
I, on the other hand, think he's a prick.
Deliberately plays shit football and is clearly all about ordering his players to "fuck 'em up, get into 'em".
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Like most people in the crowd at any match.
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Yes, his football is atrocious but he seems a decent man. It's a contradiction, but there it is.
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I don't like the style of football his teams play but I like Pulis, he's quite often refreshingly honest too.
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Pulis is honest but I still wouldnt want him anywhere near my football club.
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He'll organise a submarine mission to investigate how low we've sunk.
I'm glad you never wrote Never Mind The Bollocks.
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If Baticle is dragging his feet I suggest we get Swiss Phil to take him to Geneva and put him in the CERN Baticle accelerator.
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GHou has a new book out. I expect a few choice French expressions to be written about Mess(e)rs Dunne, Collins and Ireland.
(http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/houllier-book-.jpg)
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GHou has a new book out. I expect a few choice French expressions to be written about Mess(e)rs Dunne, Collins and Ireland.
(http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/houllier-book-.jpg)
Villa chapter will be about 4 paragraphs, 2 of which will be about his return to Anfield
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If Baticle is dragging his feet I suggest we get Swiss Phil to take him to Geneva and put him in the CERN Baticle accelerator.
Brilliant.
This situation is becoming farcical. I might write an article about how it would never happen at the Arsenal.
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I don't like the style of football his teams play but I like Pulis, he's quite often refreshingly honest too.
Except he thought the Villa Albion pitch invasion was an absolute disgrace but danced around like a pillock when Stoke got promoted and had one.
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GHou has a new book out. I expect a few choice French expressions to be written about Mess(e)rs Dunne, Collins and Ireland.
(http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/houllier-book-.jpg)
What's "starry-eyed multi-gallon jism-frenzy on my return to Anfield" in French?
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Hey, he has got a Swatch watch just like mine. Bloody cheapskate.
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I don't like the style of football his teams play but I like Pulis, he's quite often refreshingly honest too.
Except he thought the Villa Albion pitch invasion was an absolute disgrace but danced around like a pillock when Stoke got promoted and had one.
I still like him and I still think he's quite often refreshingly honest.
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Even in French, it's a nauseating title.
They got rid of you. Constantly pining for them makes you look like a pathetic love-stuck teenager.
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He is a plastic Scouser like Shteve is a plastic Dutchman.
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KM in charge for the next three games then, come on Foxy sort it out.
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What is the title in English ?
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KM in charge for the next three games then, come on Foxy sort it out.
Christ, it's only been three days.
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I never intend to walk to Korea.
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KM in charge for the next three games then, come on Foxy sort it out.
If we believe the rumour. It would make sense Lyon allowing their coaches to leave once they've got replacements in. Two weeks sounds more than fair. I'd imagine a few Euros will be involved to sweeten and speed up the deal.
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If there's truth to this rumoured delay it shows how poor the decision not to make the change after the Stoke game was - when they would have had the international break to sort things out.
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KM in charge for the next three games then, come on Foxy sort it out.
If we believe the rumour. It would make sense Lyon allowing their coaches to leave once they've got replacements in. Two weeks sounds more than fair. I'd imagine a few Euros will be involved to sweeten and speed up the deal.
We could throw in Nzogbia. French speaking, proven player.
Actually I INSIST we throw in Nzogbia.
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Who is Christof Gaultier ?
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I never intend to walk to Korea.
If you change your mind Brian, I'll walk with you. Not sure the best place to start, Market Deeping?
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What is the title in English ?
"I...something something".
You're welcome.
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Who is Christof Gaultier ?
Jean Paul's uncle.
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Who is Christof Gaultier ?
Jean Paul's uncle.
Paulie's cousin.
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KM in charge for the next three games then, come on Foxy sort it out.
If we believe the rumour. It would make sense Lyon allowing their coaches to leave once they've got replacements in. Two weeks sounds more than fair. I'd imagine a few Euros will be involved to sweeten and speed up the deal.
We could throw in Nzogbia. French speaking, proven player.
Actually I INSIST we throw in Nzogbia.
They're still pissed off with us over the Baros deal. No need to aggravate them further.
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Quality comments on SSN from some of our fans tonight.
"If Garde comes there will be a revolt by the fans. We deserve better like Nigel Pearson"........
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Quality comments on SSN from some of our fans tonight.
"If Garde comes there will be a revolt by the fans. We deserve better like Nigel Pearson"........
Probably pissed. I hope.
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Quality comments on SSN from some of our fans tonight.
"If Garde comes there will be a revolt by the fans. We deserve better like Nigel Pearson"........
Probably pissed. I hope.
Or a nose/stripey on a wind up.
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Quality comments on SSN from some of our fans tonight.
"If Garde comes there will be a revolt by the fans. We deserve better like Nigel Pearson"........
Probably pissed. I hope.
Or a nose/stripey on a wind up.
Or just a saft ******
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Quality comments on SSN from some of our fans tonight.
"If Garde comes there will be a revolt by the fans. We deserve better like Nigel Pearson"........
Probably pissed. I hope.
Half term, free coaches, cheap tickets and a couple of cans of Carling.
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Quality comments on SSN from some of our fans tonight.
"If Garde comes there will be a revolt by the fans. We deserve better like Nigel Pearson"........
Probably pissed. I hope.
Half term, free coaches, cheap tickets and a couple of cans of Carling.
Couple of cans of Skol buy the sound of it.
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He'll organise a submarine mission to investigate how low we've sunk.
I'm glad you never wrote Never Mind The Bollocks.
Harsh, from the guy who thinks of the man who wrote 'English Rose' as the best songwriter ever.
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I have not thought of Market Deeping since the travellers burned my truck there twenty years ago. Damon in my kitchen mentioned it five minutes ago as being on the "quick" route from his place to his other place on the coast. Now I read about it in your post Mal.
Yer I will walk with you for a month or two. I will read passages from my best selling book "I upped my income. Up yours". That should get us to about Saux les Mines.
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Take a look at @paddypower's Tweet: https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/659439124240199680?s=09
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Take a look at @paddypower's Tweet: https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/659439124240199680?s=09
Well that's just great.
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Take a look at @paddypower's Tweet: https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/659439124240199680?s=09
Oh dear. Totally clueless.
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If Baticle is dragging his feet I suggest we get Swiss Phil to take him to Geneva and put him in the CERN Baticle accelerator.
Brilliant.
This situation is becoming farcical. I might write an article about how it would never happen at the Arsenal.
Maybe he wants to take a break before joining us, a Baticle sabbatical
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Even if theydoubt come until Everton surely Garde could start now?
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Take a look at @paddypower's Tweet: https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/659439124240199680?s=09
Oh dear. Totally clueless.
They certainly looked and sounded like Noses.
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Take a look at @paddypower's Tweet: https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/659439124240199680?s=09
Wherever you go there's always going to be a couple of bellends.
Was it just me that thought that first pair looked like a Baddiel and Skinner Fantasy Football sketch?
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Not Kevin MacDonald based on the side tonight. Assuming we have our white surrender away kit on
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Maybe it's reverse psychology, similar things were said about McLeish and look what happened....
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Take a look at @paddypower's Tweet: https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/659439124240199680?s=09
Oh dear. Totally clueless.
How many people did they have to interview to find that opinion?
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We have some right bell ends as fans.
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If he took a year off to write a play it would be a Baticle theatrical sabbatical.
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We have some right bell ends as fans.
And you told me you loved me last night!
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Not Kevin MacDonald based on the side tonight. Assuming we have our white surrender away kit on
Bloody right it's a horrible team we've put out.
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so. just to sum up. We are bottom of the league, no Manager, a squad containing 13 new players which all take time to gel, we have no Manager and we are yet again trying to appoint someone untried and untested at this level. Despite other Manager's with experience of the Premier League failing at Villa, you would think that they have learned and this time might appoint the right Manager. Remi Garde? Totally unconvinced. I hope I am totally and utterly wrong.
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We have some right bell ends as fans.
I think it's more that we have a lot of fans who can't/won't think for themselves so they get told that we need a 'proper football man' and run with it. It's the same reason why some fans will be angry that Sherwood was sacked, some that think Lambert was doing a good job and some who think that Lerner should've just given MON whatever money he was asking for before he walked away.
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Like when you have a distressed or unwell child in a public place. There will always be a sizeable number of bystanders who have possibly never raised a child advocating a good smacking.
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Any adult wearing one of those stupid fucking wigs should never be asked their opinion on anything, ever. Unless the question is "would you like me to paint your face for £500?".
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so. just to sum up. We are bottom of the league, no Manager, a squad containing 13 new players which all take time to gel, we have no Manager and we are yet again trying to appoint someone untried and untested at this level. Despite other Manager's with experience of the Premier League failing at Villa, you would think that they have learned and this time might appoint the right Manager. Remi Garde? Totally unconvinced. I hope I am totally and utterly wrong.
Big Sam would of probably been a good choice
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so. just to sum up. We are bottom of the league, no Manager, a squad containing 13 new players which all take time to gel, we have no Manager and we are yet again trying to appoint someone untried and untested at this level. Despite other Manager's with experience of the Premier League failing at Villa, you would think that they have learned and this time might appoint the right Manager. Remi Garde? Totally unconvinced. I hope I am totally and utterly wrong.
Surely the fact they've hired managers with Premier League experience, who you yourself have said failed, suggests that looking for a new approach might be logical.
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so. just to sum up. We are bottom of the league, no Manager, a squad containing 13 new players which all take time to gel, we have no Manager and we are yet again trying to appoint someone untried and untested at this level. Despite other Manager's with experience of the Premier League failing at Villa, you would think that they have learned and this time might appoint the right Manager. Remi Garde? Totally unconvinced. I hope I am totally and utterly wrong.
Big Sam would of probably been a good choice
It's 'have', and no he would not.
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You can imagine the producers back at SSN going through the footage, "I don't want coherent opinions! Give me thick brummie accents dressed in claret and blue wigs! And I want some anti-gallic sentiment from a bald thuggish looking bloke demanding a proper British manager, who's nearly as mentally deranged as he is!"
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Didn't sillhillvilla want Kevin McDonald to be given the job? Or have I just made that up like he probably did?
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If he took a year off to write a play it would be a Baticle theatrical sabbatical.
If it was left wing it would be a raticle Baticle theatrical sabbatical. If he wrote it on a boat, it would be a nautical raticle theatrical sabbatical. If he had to do a lot of difficult sums whilst navigating, it would be a quadrilatical natical radical Baticle theatrical sabbatical.
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How about we appoint someone who might, just might, make us a half decent team to watch. There's a risk yes, but can any Villa fan seriously say they enjoy us slumming it between lower mid-table and the bottom of the table? We have tried the British manager thing over the last few years and everyone of them has ended up playing mind numbing, soul sucking football. Personally I'd like us to speculate on a foreign coach who actually has some ideas and might be able to bring entertainment back to the game. Yes Pulis, Allardyce or the like might get us to be safe. But fucking hell if that's the height of our ambition what's the point? It's time we tried to remember that football at its core is about enjoyment. If we continue playing the style we have for the last few years, then relegation or survival does it really matter?
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Didn't sillhillvilla want Kevin McDonald to be given the job? Or have I just made that up like he probably did?
Short term rather than a rash appointment , yes.
I wouldn't read much into tonight's team selection, he's clearly prioritised the Spurs game.
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Didn't sillhillvilla want Kevin McDonald to be given the job? Or have I just made that up like he probably did?
I asked him who he'd want and he picked one who he said "we probably wouldn't get" (Moyes) and two who he knows perfectly well would never be considered (Allardyce and O'Neill). Thus guaranteeing he can still reserve the right to moan if we appoint anyone who we actually might appoint.
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so. just to sum up. We are bottom of the league, no Manager, a squad containing 13 new players which all take time to gel, we have no Manager and we are yet again trying to appoint someone untried and untested at this level.
*sigh*
They're not looking to give the job to Chris Evans or Claudia Winkleman or George from Rainbow.
They're looking to hire an actual football manager, who is tried and tested in the field of 'being a football manager' so that's already a plus on where they went last time.
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I bet Randy's holding up the deal by refusing to give Bungle the release clause money. Tight bastard. They asked Zippy for a comment, but for some reason he was unable to talk.
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Didn't sillhillvilla want Kevin McDonald to be given the job? Or have I just made that up like he probably did?
I asked him who he'd want and he picked one who he said "we probably wouldn't get" (Moyes) and two who he knows perfectly well would never be considered (Allardyce and O'Neill). Thus guaranteeing he can still reserve the right to moan if we appoint anyone who we actually might appoint.
Moyes ruled himself out today
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Didn't sillhillvilla want Kevin McDonald to be given the job? Or have I just made that up like he probably did?
I asked him who he'd want and he picked one who he said "we probably wouldn't get" (Moyes) and two who he knows perfectly well would never be considered (Allardyce and O'Neill). Thus guaranteeing he can still reserve the right to moan if we appoint anyone who we actually might appoint.
Moyes ruled himself out today
So, of the realistic candidates who it is vaguely possible we might appoint, who would be your choice?
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I would much rather wait a couple of weeks for the manager they really want, if it is someone who is likely to drag us into the twentieth century, than appoint some shmuck in a hurry because we have a couple of matches to play.
Just imagine some of the horror options they could turn to.
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Didn't sillhillvilla want Kevin McDonald to be given the job? Or have I just made that up like he probably did?
I asked him who he'd want and he picked one who he said "we probably wouldn't get" (Moyes) and two who he knows perfectly well would never be considered (Allardyce and O'Neill). Thus guaranteeing he can still reserve the right to moan if we appoint anyone who we actually might appoint.
Moyes ruled himself out today
He said that he didn't want the job in his interview at Sociedad's game at the weekend.
Not that it means anything, regardless of when he said it. When he's employed by them he's hardly going to pipe up with "yeah, bollocks to this contract I'd much rather be back in England. They don't even get the fucking Apprentice over here".
He might want the job, he might not but what he says in press conferences is going to have very little to do with it.
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Just imagine some of the horror options they could turn to.
100% record of avoiding relegation?
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2015/3/19/1426801476388/John-Carver-009.jpg)
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Just imagine some of the horror options they could turn to.
100% record of avoiding relegation?
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2015/3/19/1426801476388/John-Carver-009.jpg)
He clearly has strong feelings about Villa. Bring him home.
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I would much rather wait a couple of weeks for the manager they really want, if it is someone who is likely to drag us into the twentieth century, than appoint some shmuck in a hurry because we have a couple of matches to play.
Just imagine some of the horror options they could turn to.
20th Century ?
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Didn't sillhillvilla want Kevin McDonald to be given the job? Or have I just made that up like he probably did?
I asked him who he'd want and he picked one who he said "we probably wouldn't get" (Moyes) and two who he knows perfectly well would never be considered (Allardyce and O'Neill). Thus guaranteeing he can still reserve the right to moan if we appoint anyone who we actually might appoint.
Moyes ruled himself out today
So, of the realistic candidates who it is vaguely possible we might appoint, who would be your choice?
Ancellotti
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So, still refusing to give a realistic candidate so you can moan, whoever we appoint.
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So, still refusing to give a realistic candidate so you can moan, whoever we appoint.
Jesus lighten up. Realistically ? Moyes if it's still realistic or an option. Rodgers is a no for me. Pullis unrealistic as we won't pay the compo. Garde I know nothing about so can't say either way. Dyche please no. Pearson no.
Seriously I would not rush into a dodgy appointment I would let kmac and Sid hold the fort.
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I wanted one you would like, rather than just ruling out loads more.
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Seriously I would not rush into a dodgy appointment I would let kmac and Sid hold the fort.
So, is this you going on record to say that of your myriad of whinges, none of them will be that we are taking too long to appoint a manager?
Doesn't matter how long it takes, as long as it is one that they are happy with? Yes?
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Jesus lighten up.
Really?
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I wanted one you would like, rather than just ruling out loads more.
I can't think of anyone in the "realistic" category
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I wanted one you would like, rather than just ruling out loads more.
I can't think of anyone in the "realistic" category
As I thought. So as you didn't suggest anyone, you'd agree it would be unreasonable to moan when we do appoint someone?
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I wanted one you would like, rather than just ruling out loads more.
I can't think of anyone in the "realistic" category
As I thought. So as you didn't suggest anyone, you'd agree it would be unreasonable to moan when we do appoint someone?
Name who you want
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I wanted one you would like, rather than just ruling out loads more.
I can't think of anyone in the "realistic" category
As I thought. So as you didn't suggest anyone, you'd agree it would be unreasonable to moan when we do appoint someone?
Name who you want
I've said I'd like someone a bit different and continental. Not that I'm against the idea of appointing a British candidate if one appeals, but none of the British candidates excite me, for various reasons.
I suggested Rene Girard beforehand. Bielsa would be a dream appointment. I'd be more than happy with De Boer too. I hadn't heard much of Remi Garde before we were linked but, having read a bit about him, he seems exactly the sort of manager I wanted us to get so I'd be excited if we got him.
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I would much rather wait a couple of weeks for the manager they really want, if it is someone who is likely to drag us into the twentieth century, than appoint some shmuck in a hurry because we have a couple of matches to play.
Just imagine some of the horror options they could turn to.
20th Century ?
Yes, we're stuck in the late 19th century.
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I would much rather wait a couple of weeks for the manager they really want, if it is someone who is likely to drag us into the twentieth century, than appoint some shmuck in a hurry because we have a couple of matches to play.
Just imagine some of the horror options they could turn to.
20th Century ?
Yes, we're stuck in the late 19th century.
I'd hate that. Winning the league and the cup all the time. What a nightmare!
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I would much rather wait a couple of weeks for the manager they really want, if it is someone who is likely to drag us into the twentieth century, than appoint some shmuck in a hurry because we have a couple of matches to play.
Just imagine some of the horror options they could turn to.
20th Century ?
Yes, we're stuck in the late 19th century.
I'd hate that. Winning the league and the cup all the time. What a nightmare!
Playing state-of-the-art passing football too, thanks to our Scottish connections.
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I would much rather wait a couple of weeks for the manager they really want, if it is someone who is likely to drag us into the twentieth century, than appoint some shmuck in a hurry because we have a couple of matches to play.
Just imagine some of the horror options they could turn to.
20th Century ?
Yes, we're stuck in the late 19th century.
I'd hate that. Winning the league and the cup all the time. What a nightmare!
With our innovative 3-2-5 formation.
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3-2-6 if you count Athersmith's umbrella.
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I wanted one you would like, rather than just ruling out loads more.
I can't think of anyone in the "realistic" category
As I thought. So as you didn't suggest anyone, you'd agree it would be unreasonable to moan when we do appoint someone?
To be honest, when we appointed sherwood I mentioned I was underwhelmed and thought it was a poor choice. Last season he proved me wrong and I got behind him, in his sacking I have no ill feeling for him ( as many seem to) , the underlying problems at the club will hamper even the best of managers IMHO.
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If Baticle is dragging his feet I suggest we get Swiss Phil to take him to Geneva and put him in the CERN Baticle accelerator.
Brilliant.
This situation is becoming farcical. I might write an article about how it would never happen at the Arsenal.
Maybe he wants to take a break before joining us, a Baticle sabbatical
Carrot or stick to get iclebat ?
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Has to be Pele for me. He knows how to solves the problem of staying up.
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No thanks, he's got an even worse record at Villa Park than Sherwood.
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Amavi fannying out of a 50/50 cost us a goal there
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Has to be Pele for me. He knows how to solves the problem of staying up.
I would!
Maybe our next sponsor should be viagra. No problems staying up then!
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Jack and Ayew on for Amavi and Bacuna
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Nearly ten past nine.
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You may want to get yourself onto the match thread berneboy!
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You may want to get yourself onto the match thread berneboy!
It seemed a bit quiet ....
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On balance, not fucking Kevin MacDonald.
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Not Kev Mac, this is shite
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On balance, not fucking Kevin MacDonald.
Tonight is meaningless
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On balance, not fucking Kevin MacDonald.
Tonight is meaningless
Yeah, I hate winning trophies.
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On balance, not fucking Kevin MacDonald.
What, you mean you don't want a front four of Bacuna, Westwood, Gabby and Gestede?
What are you, some kind of purist?
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On balance, not fucking Kevin MacDonald.
Tonight is meaningless
would be a morale booster for a squad who have not one for 5 weeks though and would give the team a lift
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On balance, not fucking Kevin MacDonald.
Tonight is meaningless
Is it fuck. It's the chance to win a trophy, that is never meaningless.
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On balance, not fucking Kevin MacDonald.
Tonight is meaningless
Are you playing to an audience, waiting for a response?
How can a cup game be meaningless
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The selection and resting of players set us up nicely to be knocked out of the Cup.......weak leadership from top to bottom.
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so. just to sum up. We are bottom of the league, no Manager, a squad containing 13 new players which all take time to gel, we have no Manager and we are yet again trying to appoint someone untried and untested at this level.
*sigh*
They're not looking to give the job to Chris Evans or Claudia Winkleman or George from Rainbow.
They're looking to hire an actual football manager, who is tried and tested in the field of 'being a football manager' so that's already a plus on where they went last time.
George would never take the job without assurances that he would also get a quality right hand man.
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/p__/images/4/44/George_(Rainbow).png/revision/latest?cb=20130427215412&path-prefix=protagonist)
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It's looking all the more ludicrous that we decided to wait until after the international break to start our managerial search.
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On balance, not fucking Kevin MacDonald.
Tonight is meaningless
So why did:
Wow, that is one shit line up.
That matter then?
Could do with the lads rolling their sleeves up and putting in a shift tonight. As pointed out earlier, a cup run is never bad for morale and could help us out of this hole we are in
So was tonight meaningless or could it help us out of this hole?
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Managed to watch the second half. Amavi should have done better in the lead up to their first goal, he seemed to bottle out of the challenge and after that you knew a second goal was coming. If he'd have been a bit braver with his starting line up, then who knows.
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so. just to sum up. We are bottom of the league, no Manager, a squad containing 13 new players which all take time to gel, we have no Manager and we are yet again trying to appoint someone untried and untested at this level.
*sigh*
They're not looking to give the job to Chris Evans or Claudia Winkleman or George from Rainbow.
They're looking to hire an actual football manager, who is tried and tested in the field of 'being a football manager' so that's already a plus on where they went last time.
George would never take the job without assurances that he would also get a quality right hand man.
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/p__/images/4/44/George_(Rainbow).png/revision/latest?cb=20130427215412&path-prefix=protagonist)
George has a right hand man in zippy and Bungle already running the club. If that goes tits up then Rod Jane and Freddy will take over assisted by sooty and sweep or maybe the withered corpse of Rod Hull and emu. Anyway you look at us we are a fucking laughing stock at the moment!
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In our overall predicament and the grand scheme of things tonight wasn't important massively . We need to stabilise matters ASAP and concentrate efforts on the league. It's not difficult to see that.
The team selection is quite reflective of the squad quality, which is now sub-prime.
The squad quality has been eroded and eroded for years, net spend has been woeful. We are now at end of days period. Hold onto your seats.
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so. just to sum up. We are bottom of the league, no Manager, a squad containing 13 new players which all take time to gel, we have no Manager and we are yet again trying to appoint someone untried and untested at this level.
*sigh*
They're not looking to give the job to Chris Evans or Claudia Winkleman or George from Rainbow.
They're looking to hire an actual football manager, who is tried and tested in the field of 'being a football manager' so that's already a plus on where they went last time.
Yes, Remi is so tried and so tested eh? 3 years in a lesser league. For once Dave, I hope Villa are right with this potential appointment. Doubt it though.
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It's looking all the more ludicrous that we decided to wait until after the international break to start our managerial search.
I don't get this either. From the silence of the past few weeks, it was was obvious the sacking was on the cards so it would've made more sense to get a manager in and ready for a morale boosting Swansea game where new manager lift and big crowd could have made a difference. Now from what I hear Tom Fox is not looking to make an appointment until the Everton game thus throwing away another two matches.
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On balance, not fucking Kevin MacDonald.
Tonight is meaningless
Then why bring up the fact we kept a clean sheet in the firs....just realised who posted this. Gives up.
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Kevin MacDonald in charge for the next three games.
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and Silhillvilla will you please stop using the expression sub prime. It really is getting on my tits.
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
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so. just to sum up. We are bottom of the league, no Manager, a squad containing 13 new players which all take time to gel, we have no Manager and we are yet again trying to appoint someone untried and untested at this level.
*sigh*
They're not looking to give the job to Chris Evans or Claudia Winkleman or George from Rainbow.
They're looking to hire an actual football manager, who is tried and tested in the field of 'being a football manager' so that's already a plus on where they went last time.
Yes, Remi is so tried and so tested eh? 3 years in a lesser league. For once Dave, I hope Villa are right with this potential appointment. Doubt it though.
Yeah, there's no point bothering with anybody who hasn't managed in the Premier League before.
It's not like in 22 of the 23 years the league winning manager did it with the first club that they'd ever managed in the Premier League. Those clubs should probably have just hired Steve Bruce or Nigel Pearson to be on the safe side.
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Kevin MacDonald in charge for the next three games.
I can't see us scoring, let alone getting anything from those fixtures. The team look absolutely devoid of any belief
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Kevin MacDonald in charge for the next three games.
I fucking hope not!!
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
People had heard of Remi Garde. Not many thought we'd be "adventurous" enough to go outside of the box for someone like him. That's why initial poll only accounted for the obvious and previously mentioned targets. I think it's great the club are after someone like him.
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Kevin MacDonald in charge for the next three games.
Source?
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
Hilarious isn't it. Garde, who's that ? Google . He's favourite. He must be good ? Clicks button. Da dahhhh .
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Kevin MacDonald in charge for the next three games.
Source?
'Villa no closer to Garde'
http://www.skysports.com/share/10046686
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
Hilarious isn't it.
You assuming that other people should be judged by your own shockingly low standards is quite amusing, but I'm guessing that's not what you meant.
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
Hilarious isn't it. Garde, who's that ? Google . He's favourite. He must be good ? Clicks button. Da dahhhh .
Are you doing it just to annoy us?
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
Hilarious isn't it. Garde, who's that ? Google . He's favourite. He must be good ? Clicks button. Da dahhhh .
Have you thought that those who voted for him just happen to prefer him over the other candidates?
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@BroadcastMoose: Kevin McDonald also basically said the next @AVFCOfficial manager would a name prominently mentioned in the press in the last few days
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
Hilarious isn't it. Garde, who's that ? Google . He's favourite. He must be good ? Clicks button. Da dahhhh .
You come across as a right tool.
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@BroadcastMoose: Kevin McDonald also basically said the next @AVFCOfficial manager would a name prominently mentioned in the press in the last few days
George Osborne? Tokyo Sexwhale? Harry Potter?
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Tokyo Sexwhale!! Get him in!
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Kevin MacDonald in charge for the next three games.
That sounds made up
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Tokyo Sexwhale!! Get him in!
Ah fuck. It's Dwight Yorke isn't it?
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This forum has lots of people reading right now.
Can I just say a big fxxx off welcome and thanks for sending us offline thanks for your interest in our cup debacle Cup match, which we were expecting to lose, sadly we were expecting to win.
We would welcome a manager a solid British manager from League 2 who has real talent, inspiration and ideas who can drill us into a basic long ball outfit to keep everybody at Sky happy.
Bienvenue, Mr Garde Now bugger off, you've had your fun.
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
Hilarious isn't it. Garde, who's that ? Google . He's favourite. He must be good ? Clicks button. Da dahhhh .
Have you thought that those who voted for him just happen to prefer him over the other candidates?
That's a good point Clampy. But to offer a balance, many, I would guess, have read reports about Remi and, whilst they may like what they see, have selected him as a favourite since reading those reports. Arguably not knowing a great deal about him previously. He hasn't managed for a year, I doubt he'd be on the radar of the average fan? Adventurous appointment and I hope it works.
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
Hilarious isn't it. Garde, who's that ? Google . He's favourite. He must be good ? Clicks button. Da dahhhh .
Always quick to have a pop and highlight the fault but not much in the way of suggestions.
Tell us, who is your choice?
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
Hilarious isn't it. Garde, who's that ? Google . He's favourite. He must be good ? Clicks button. Da dahhhh .
Always quick to have a pop and highlight the fault but not much in the way of suggestions.
Tell us, who is your choice?
This was covered a bit earlier on - Ancelotti, but not somebody on his long list of people that he would complain about even more than he normally does.
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It's not like we're floating around in mid table, we are bottom of the league and can't afford to just throw away games while we wait for a manager.
Worrying parallels with Houllier for me who we also waited weeks for him to draw his pension from the French FA and then shock horror we then struggled up to xmas as the team weren't in great form when he turned up.
How about we appoint Garde now and then get his assistants sorted during the International break, I'm sure he can work with MacDonald who can give him a lowdown on the squad during the next two weeks.
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
Hilarious isn't it. Garde, who's that ? Google . He's favourite. He must be good ? Clicks button. Da dahhhh .
Have you thought that those who voted for him just happen to prefer him over the other candidates?
That's a good point Clampy. But to offer a balance, many, I would guess, have read reports about Remi and, whilst they may like what they see, have selected him as a favourite since reading those reports. Arguably not knowing a great deal about him previously. He hasn't managed for a year, I doubt he'd be on the radar of the average fan? Adventurous appointment and I hope it works.
I think people might just fancy a change of direction. Besides Houiller, our last foreign manager was 25 years ago.
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It's not like we're floating around in mid table, we are bottom of the league and can't afford to just throw away games while we wait for a manager.
Worrying parallels with Houllier for me who we also waited weeks for him to draw his pension from the French FA and then shock horror we then struggled up to xmas as the team weren't in great form when he turned up.
How about we appoint Garde now and then get his assistants sorted during the International break, I'm sure he can work with MacDonald who can give him a lowdown on the squad during the next two weeks.
He won't come without them and the press gang was abolished almost 200 years ago.
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
Hilarious isn't it. Garde, who's that ? Google . He's favourite. He must be good ? Clicks button. Da dahhhh .
Always quick to have a pop and highlight the fault but not much in the way of suggestions.
Tell us, who is your choice?
He won't commit to anyone ao it allows him to be miserable about everyone else's choice.
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Kevin Macdonald was his choice the other day.
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heaven knows we're all miserable now
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
Hilarious isn't it. Garde, who's that ? Google . He's favourite. He must be good ? Clicks button. Da dahhhh .
Have you thought that those who voted for him just happen to prefer him over the other candidates?
That's a good point Clampy. But to offer a balance, many, I would guess, have read reports about Remi and, whilst they may like what they see, have selected him as a favourite since reading those reports. Arguably not knowing a great deal about him previously. He hasn't managed for a year, I doubt he'd be on the radar of the average fan? Adventurous appointment and I hope it works.
The known British manager hasn't exactly been a roaring success over the last few managers for us. Meanwhile we watch a growing number of lesser clubs appoint little known foreign managers who quickly take their clubs up the league and overtake us. Tough choice.
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I voted for Garde and knew next to nothing about him before last weekend
But now having read a few articles and stuff on here I reckon he's the man
That's just the way I roll
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We know who we need. Now lets get the fuck over to Tatooine before its too late!
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@BroadcastMoose: Kevin McDonald also basically said the next @AVFCOfficial manager would a name prominently mentioned in the press in the last few days
Link to article or something?
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I voted for Garde and knew next to nothing about him before last weekend
But now having read a few articles and stuff on here I reckon he's the man
That's just the way I roll
Sometimes I do a forwards gambol, sometimes it's a backwards one.
That's just the way I roll.
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so you're rollin' and tumblin'?
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@BroadcastMoose: Kevin McDonald also basically said the next @AVFCOfficial manager would a name prominently mentioned in the press in the last few days
Link to article or something?
Fick me its James Bond isn't it
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It's looking all the more ludicrous that we decided to wait until after the international break to start our managerial search.
Shit is that true. If so they are bungling morons.
By the by a French mate left me a voicemail tonight re Garde: he reckons he found the job at Lyon a bit stressful and thus resigned. My mate reckons that with only 3 years experience and " a shit group of players" he may not be the right man to dig us out. "Fragile" was the word he used. Only just got in so am too tired to push further on this tonight.
My mate supports Metz so knows the square root of nothing....
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@BroadcastMoose: Kevin McDonald also basically said the next @AVFCOfficial manager would a name prominently mentioned in the press in the last few days
Link to article or something?
Fick me its James Bond isn't it
George Osborne?
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or the Chinese bloke?
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@BroadcastMoose: Kevin McDonald also basically said the next @AVFCOfficial manager would a name prominently mentioned in the press in the last few days
Link to article or something?
Fick me its James Bond isn't it
George Osborne?
Welcome Sepp.
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@BroadcastMoose: Kevin McDonald also basically said the next @AVFCOfficial manager would a name prominently mentioned in the press in the last few days
Link to article or something?
Fick me its James Bond isn't it
George Osborne?
Jeremy Corbyn?
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Got to be French did you say? Welcome Mr Platini. Please don't steal anything.
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
Hilarious isn't it. Garde, who's that ? Google . He's favourite. He must be good ? Clicks button. Da dahhhh .
Always quick to have a pop and highlight the fault but not much in the way of suggestions.
Tell us, who is your choice?
He won't commit to anyone ao it allows him to be miserable about everyone else's choice.
Again, moyes. He won't come though. Big Sam , obviously gone already but he was my choice earlier just to ensure we stay up while the golden egg is laid. Pullis we won't lay the compo out for Mr Peace. Peace wants top dog in Mids status anyway so won't help us at all. Rodgers again no. Pearson no. Garde up until a week ago I would have just stared blankly at that one . Poyet omg . This is actually quite scary what could happen.
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So you would like Big Sam, Moyes or Pullis?
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Garde up until a week ago I would have just stared blankly at that one
Out of curiosity, Guardiola aside is there a single manager who hasn't managed in the Premier League before who you wouldn't have just just stared blankly at?
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So you would like Big Sam, Moyes or Pullis?
In pure PL short term survival terms yes .
1 Pullis
2 Sam
3 moyes
None are possible though
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
Hilarious isn't it. Garde, who's that ? Google . He's favourite. He must be good ? Clicks button. Da dahhhh .
Always quick to have a pop and highlight the fault but not much in the way of suggestions.
Tell us, who is your choice?
He won't commit to anyone ao it allows him to be miserable about everyone else's choice.
Again, moyes. He won't come though. Big Sam , obviously gone already but he was my choice earlier just to ensure we stay up while the golden egg is laid. Pullis we won't lay the compo out for Mr Peace. Peace wants top dog in Mids status anyway so won't help us at all. Rodgers again no. Pearson no. Garde up until a week ago I would have just stared blankly at that one . Poyet omg . This is actually quite scary what could happen.
You do know that nobody has seriously mentioned Poyet don't you?
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So you would like Big Sam, Moyes or Pullis?
In pure PL short term survival terms yes .
1 Pullis
2 Sam
3 moyes
Are "pure PL short term survival terms" different to normal "who do you want or manager to be?" terms?
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So you would like Big Sam, Moyes or Pullis?
In pure PL short term survival terms yes .
1 Pullis
2 Sam
3 moyes
None are possible though
Blimey, glad your not in charge of the selection process.
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
Hilarious isn't it. Garde, who's that ? Google . He's favourite. He must be good ? Clicks button. Da dahhhh .
Always quick to have a pop and highlight the fault but not much in the way of suggestions.
Tell us, who is your choice?
He won't commit to anyone ao it allows him to be miserable about everyone else's choice.
Again, moyes. He won't come though. Big Sam , obviously gone already but he was my choice earlier just to ensure we stay up while the golden egg is laid. Pullis we won't lay the compo out for Mr Peace. Peace wants top dog in Mids status anyway so won't help us at all. Rodgers again no. Pearson no. Garde up until a week ago I would have just stared blankly at that one . Poyet omg . This is actually quite scary what could happen.
You do know that nobody has seriously mentioned Poyet don't you?
And your choice is ? (Just give a name(s))
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So you would like Big Sam, Moyes or Pullis?
In pure PL short term survival terms yes .
1 Pullis
2 Sam
3 moyes
None are possible though
So by appointing Pulis your goal would therefore be to reduce everyone to your level of depression.
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
Hilarious isn't it. Garde, who's that ? Google . He's favourite. He must be good ? Clicks button. Da dahhhh .
Always quick to have a pop and highlight the fault but not much in the way of suggestions.
Tell us, who is your choice?
He won't commit to anyone ao it allows him to be miserable about everyone else's choice.
Again, moyes. He won't come though. Big Sam , obviously gone already but he was my choice earlier just to ensure we stay up while the golden egg is laid. Pullis we won't lay the compo out for Mr Peace. Peace wants top dog in Mids status anyway so won't help us at all. Rodgers again no. Pearson no. Garde up until a week ago I would have just stared blankly at that one . Poyet omg . This is actually quite scary what could happen.
You do know that nobody has seriously mentioned Poyet don't you?
And your choice is ? (Just give a name(s))
Garde - which is a bit more realistic than a manager who should never be allowed within a mile of the place, one who's just started another job and a third who has ruled himself out.
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So you would like Big Sam, Moyes or Pullis?
In pure PL short term survival terms yes .
1 Pullis
2 Sam
3 moyes
None are possible though
So by appointing Pulis your goal would therefore be to reduce everyone to your level of depression.
The goal would be to stay up, by whatever means necessary. Then reassess even if it meant a £5m pay off.
We cannot afford to go down this season or do you think we can
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So you would like Big Sam, Moyes or Pullis?
In pure PL short term survival terms yes .
1 Pullis
2 Sam
3 moyes
None are possible though
So by appointing Pulis your goal would therefore be to reduce everyone to your level of depression.
The goal would be to stay up, by whatever means necessary. Then reassess even if it meant a £5m pay off.
We cannot afford to go down this season or do you think we can
I thought you wanted Ancelotti?
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We can't get Pulis, so it's irrelevant.
Considering you'd never heard of Remi Garde (or, quite possibly, France) until this weekend, how do you know so much about him that you can confidently state that he won't keep us up?
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So you would like Big Sam, Moyes or Pullis?
In pure PL short term survival terms yes .
1 Pullis
2 Sam
3 moyes
None are possible though
So by appointing Pulis your goal would therefore be to reduce everyone to your level of depression.
The goal would be to stay up, by whatever means necessary. Then reassess even if it meant a £5m pay off.
We cannot afford to go down this season or do you think we can
We've only played 10 league games.
It's not nice being bottom of the table, but a few things seem to be getting missed in the rush to be unhappy
- we are not getting hammered, which suggests there are relatively small margins between what we get and what we could have
- we are only a handful of points from the non-relegation places
- there are plenty of other, unconvincing clubs around and lots of time for them to sink
- we've just sacked the manager in a decent time frame rather than giving him far too long (see Lambert).
The fact is, no manager worth his salt is going to come here on a "just keep us up, then fuck off" deal. We've just effectively done that, but we've had to go through 10 matches of horror followed by a big pay off.
I appreciate things are bad - who doesn't, who likes losing all the fucking time? - but I do think that some of us need to just calm the fuck down and not forget that it is *October* FFS, there is plenty of time to turn this around.
They've obviously decided who they want, he seems to be very highly thought of, and he's going to get time to keep us up and build on that. That sounds far more positive than moping about three managers, one of whom has said he doesn't want the job (several times, in fact, including past offers), one who is in a job, and one who has only just taken a job.
I appreciate that this sort of thing would puncture your new shtick of moaning and digging yourself into an increasingly big hole every time someone points out the bus-sized holes in your logic - which, incidentally, is exactly the same thing that got you banned last time - but the above are all facts.
There is lots of time. Some managers are not available. We are not adrift at the bottom. We are not getting hammered every week.
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That all sounds very reasonable. This evening I heard Jack Woodward say this was the most difficult period he had been commentating over the past 15 years.
Now if Jack is getting pessimistic....
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So you would like Big Sam, Moyes or Pullis?
In pure PL short term survival terms yes .
1 Pullis
2 Sam
3 moyes
None are possible though
So by appointing Pulis your goal would therefore be to reduce everyone to your level of depression.
The goal would be to stay up, by whatever means necessary. Then reassess even if it meant a £5m pay off.
We cannot afford to go down this season or do you think we can
So basically employ the same system that the club has been castigated for since MON.
1. Appoint manager of dubious credentials (for the record I thought Houllier was a decent appointment.)
2. At some point early in contractual cycle, sack said manager.
3. Pay out a hefty sum in compensation.
4. Repeat until no money left in the till.
Only this time do it deliberately and duplicitously thus destroying whatever credibility we've still got in the game v(If you accept that we're a difficult sell right now.)for attracting a manager in future, i.e. the one we'd have to appoint after sacking the manager we'd just appointed.
Now that sounds like a well thought strategy and a definite recipe for success.
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After tonight Moyes or Rodgers for me. I love the idea of Garde, but he'd have to be some sort of miracle worker to turn that rabble into anything that isn't laughed at by everyone else.
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He'll organise a submarine mission to investigate how low we've sunk.
I'm glad you never wrote Never Mind The Bollocks.
Harsh, from the guy who thinks of the man who wrote 'English Rose' as the best songwriter ever.
Steady on, it was only a joke based on your post reminding me of Submission by the Pistols.
Is there any need to be so hurtful in response?
And what's wrong with English Rose?
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He'll organise a submarine mission to investigate how low we've sunk.
I'm glad you never wrote Never Mind The Bollocks.
Harsh, from the guy who thinks of the man who wrote 'English Rose' as the best songwriter ever.
Steady on, it was only a joke based on your post reminding me of Submission by the Pistols.
Is there any need to be so hurtful in response?
And what's wrong with English Rose?
Come on, guys. Let's remember that we all hate The Red Hot Chilli Peppers, right*?
Also, the guy who wrote A Town Called Malice, Wild Wood and Down in the Tube Station at Midnight can write whatever he wants. He can write 'Aston Villa aren't very good' on every bus stop in Woking for all I care.
*Everyone hates The Red Hot Chilli Peppers, don't they?
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He'll organise a submarine mission to investigate how low we've sunk.
I'm glad you never wrote Never Mind The Bollocks.
Harsh, from the guy who thinks of the man who wrote 'English Rose' as the best songwriter ever.
Steady on, it was only a joke based on your post reminding me of Submission by the Pistols.
Is there any need to be so hurtful in response?
And what's wrong with English Rose?
Come on, guys. Let's remember that we all hate The Red Hot Chilli Peppers, right*?
Also, the guy who wrote A Town Called Malice, Wild Wood and Down in the Tube Station at Midnight can write whatever he wants. He can write 'Aston Villa aren't very good' on every bus stop in Woking for all I care.
*Everyone hates The Red Hot Chilli Peppers, don't they?
Well said.
Have to admit, I quite like Under The Bridge. Sorry.
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For fuck's sake!
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Some of the early RHCP stuff wasn't too bad, they were never as good as they, or indeed lots of other people, thought they were though.
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After that load of crap tonight, I'd even take Pearson. At the very least they'd put a shift in and show some heart.
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That all sounds very reasonable. This evening I heard Jack Woodward say this was the most difficult period he had been commentating over the past 15 years.
Now if Jack is getting pessimistic....
yeesh..
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That all sounds very reasonable. This evening I heard Jack Woodward say this was the most difficult period he had been commentating over the past 15 years.
Now if Jack is getting pessimistic....
yeesh..
This is truly the end of times.
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After that load of crap tonight, I'd even take Pearson. At the very least they'd put a shift in and show some heart.
I've been a long time admirer of your posts, Des. You don't waste words is calling it spot-on and right now I almost agree with you. It fucking stinks how we've got ourselves into this place. Maybe Pearson, twat that he is, actually understands more than the last 5 managers.
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So KMac is going to look after the team for the next three matches, God help us, it amazes me that knowing the position we were in and the overwhelming possibility that things were not going to improve that there was not someone to take over immediately. The amateurism of the people running the club would be hilarious if it were not for the fact that it is our club they're fucking up.
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Well it does seem we had an immediate first choice. He'd probably already be here if it wasn't for the coach situation.
As for Pearson, he probably could improve us on the pitch, the big problem is that he's just a disaster waiting to happen off it.
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Well it does seem we had an immediate first choice. He'd probably already be here if it wasn't for the coach situation.
As for Pearson, he probably could improve us on the pitch, the big problem is that he's just a disaster waiting to happen off it.
Even Pearson would be hard pressed to sort this mess out.It would be. a monumental task.Garde either wants the job or he doesn't. We should set a deadline for him to make a decision.
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Brother in law, Frenchman and lifelong OM (errr Marseille) fan, therefore doesn't hold much affection for OL (errr Lyon) thinks Garde is a good choice, with a strong personality. Not revealing much but it's positive reinforcement. I keep an eye on Saint Etienne scores and would like to have the former manager of their auld enemy, for reasons mentioned. I'd rather get the right man, than snaffle someone else quickly and into the job. Still think that it's Garde.
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I don't think anyone will save us this season - not impossible, but very very difficult. It's all been said before I know, but we need someone who can create and implement a footballing ethos and strategy for the next few years, one which may well include dealing with relegation.
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Just been reading that Villa expect McDonald to be in charge for the next 3 games. Honestly that's just not good enough. We either get Garde and get him now or look elsewhere. It's bloody amateurish!
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I agree completely with the man who dwells beneath the hill.
We need to accept that confidence is so low now that anyone coming in has a monumental task in keeping us up this season. The squad is disjointed for the midfield and attack to link together too, and there is little to identify a style of pattern to our play. On that basis I would much sooner see us nail our colours to a mast that will have a clear philosophy and style of play, even if that does incur 12-24 months in the championship while we rebuild. I think the board need to get this one right in that respect, and then stick to them. If it is Garde fine, wait it out a couple of games and get their man.
We don't need Nigel Pearson. Anyone who has seen any of the video his son was involved in would not be impressed that his old man can let 3 young players think that behaviour is acceptable. Add that onto his touchline antics, and his post match interviews, and a picture of someone very worrying is built. I don't think our owners would touch him for everything outside of the pitch, let alone the fact his side were doomed until an incredible late run, which is very hard to replicate.
I am disappointed that no one has been ready to come straight in, although I get the impression there was manager wise, but the coaches have proved more difficult than expected, which may be another sign of lack of football experience on the board. Much as he is not loved for his Anfield love in, I would be happy to see Houllier join our board in a football capacity, and think he should have been offered that role when he could not continue previously.
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If we were going to wait for three weeks ,Mr Fox and the board must have accepted relegation for this season is practically a nailed on cert, if that's the case why didn't they leave T S in place ? I'm still hoping we have a new man or woman (Hope Powell great name) in place for White Hart lane.
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I don't think it will be three weeks. Some agreement will be made before then.
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I'd rather we wait for the right man and get behind kMac rather than panic into appointing Pearson or another.How that equates to us being amateurish I don't know?
It's Ridiculous to think that and to be honest it would stink if we did give up on Garde.
Likewise with Ozzjim, if the worst thing happened and we do get relegated in this process I'd still prefer to go down this route and stick with the plan. Fingers crossed though KMac can plug the gap and maybe nick a point or two.
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Also to add, why will be relegated before Christmas? There are other teams playing in this league too, you know!
There are other teams who are struggling, in a few weeks time even if we have not turned it around, just maybe nor has anyone else in the bottom 6 or 7.
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
Yes, because the most important thing to consider when appointing a manager is if he is well known to people.
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Not sure what the attraction is with Pearson. He took a team up and kept them up. Same as Lambert. Only difference is Lambert didn't do as appallingly bad as Pearson did in the first two-thirds of the season so kept them up comfortably. Pearson's managerial strengths seem to hang around shouting and trying to in still determination and... not much else. Same as Sherwood.
Plus... he's a prick.
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
Yes, because the most important thing to consider when appointing a manager is if he is well known to people.
Agreed. Arsenal should've gone with a safe pair of hands like Mike Walker rather than gambling on that unknown Wenger.
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I want Garde that is not the point, weeks ago we all new Sherwood was gone that was when all the problems around a new manager and staff should have been negotiated and sorted, not wait until you have sacked the incumbent and then find there are problems.
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I actually think Kev will do ok, it was quite obvious to me that he went to Southampton to lose. Next week would be a much stronger team
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I want Garde that is not the point, weeks ago we all new Sherwood was gone that was when all the problems around a new manager and staff should have been negotiated and sorted, not wait until you have sacked the incumbent and then find there are problems.
It feels like the Houllier saga all over again.
I'm sure other clubs have difficulty with their appointments, and there's only one club I pay attention to, but it sure feels like we encounter problems that don't crop up elsewhere.
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I don't want him long term obviously
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
Yes, because the most important thing to consider when appointing a manager is if he is well known to people.
Indeed. It's that sort of thinking that leads to the likes of Mcleish getting repeated opportunities.
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
Yes, because the most important thing to consider when appointing a manager is if he is well known to people.
Agreed. Arsenal should've gone with a safe pair of hands like Mike Walker rather than gambling on that unknown Wenger.
Rednapp is well know, most because he can't keep his faking marf shat.
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I want Garde that is not the point, weeks ago we all new Sherwood was gone that was when all the problems around a new manager and staff should have been negotiated and sorted, not wait until you have sacked the incumbent and then find there are problems.
Sherwood wasn't "gone" until last Sunday. I'd like to think our club wouldn't be as underhand as negotiating a contract while he was still our manager.
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
Yes, because the most important thing to consider when appointing a manager is if he is well known to people.
Also it's not like he's a complete nobody. He played for Arsenal for three years and managed Lyon for three years. It's not as if he was managing in the third division in San Marino.
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I want Garde that is not the point, weeks ago we all new Sherwood was gone that was when all the problems around a new manager and staff should have been negotiated and sorted, not wait until you have sacked the incumbent and then find there are problems.
Sherwood wasn't "gone" until last Sunday. I'd like to think our club wouldn't be as underhand as negotiating a contract while he was still our manager.
If as reported, Garde is the no.1 choice, I'd hazard a guess that we'd sounded him out when it was obvious it was going to shit before Sherwood was sacked, but still giving him (Sherwood) a chance to turn it around. At some point Garde would have said something about his back room staff.
At this point we could either have discretely approached Lyon and Metz to enquire about their potential availability (risky in terms of undermining Sherwood if it leaked and not in line with how we've tended to do things) or made an assumption that, as with most things in football, wave enough pound notes or Euros at a problem and the problem gets solved.
Unfortunately for us that doesn't appear to be the case for Lyon.
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Ask the guy to resign and offer to pay the balance on his contract. How much can it really be worth?
We need a new man and quickly. We shouldn't be writing off any points and if it is to be Garde, then lets get it done. Of course we may well be doing exactly that.
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I want Garde that is not the point, weeks ago we all new Sherwood was gone that was when all the problems around a new manager and staff should have been negotiated and sorted, not wait until you have sacked the incumbent and then find there are problems.
Sherwood wasn't "gone" until last Sunday. I'd like to think our club wouldn't be as underhand as negotiating a contract while he was still our manager.
He should have been sacked directly after the Stoke game, and we should have used the international break to sort out a new manager, as many said on here. We were just delaying the inevitable, and it may well cost us points while we're waiting for the new man to sort his shit out. That will make his job even more difficult, but Villa's entire modus operandi is geared to making life difficult for itself.
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It's all down to money.Randy doesn't want to spend it but it looks as if he has no choice in this matter.The question should be will he be spending it on the right man?
I am beginning to have doubts.
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I want Garde that is not the point, weeks ago we all new Sherwood was gone that was when all the problems around a new manager and staff should have been negotiated and sorted, not wait until you have sacked the incumbent and then find there are problems.
Sherwood wasn't "gone" until last Sunday. I'd like to think our club wouldn't be as underhand as negotiating a contract while he was still our manager.
He should have been sacked directly after the Stoke game, and we should have used the international break to sort out a new manager, as many said on here. We were just delaying the inevitable, and it may well cost us points while we're waiting for the new man to sort his shit out. That will make his job even more difficult, but Villa's entire modus operandi is geared to making life difficult for itself.
That's the frustrating thing, we knew we'd lose to Chelsea and Swansea was predictable too.
Even if we beaten both teams he'd have been gone in the near future.
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I want Garde that is not the point, weeks ago we all new Sherwood was gone that was when all the problems around a new manager and staff should have been negotiated and sorted, not wait until you have sacked the incumbent and then find there are problems.
Sherwood wasn't "gone" until last Sunday. I'd like to think our club wouldn't be as underhand as negotiating a contract while he was still our manager.
He should have been sacked directly after the Stoke game, and we should have used the international break to sort out a new manager, as many said on here. We were just delaying the inevitable, and it may well cost us points while we're waiting for the new man to sort his shit out. That will make his job even more difficult, but Villa's entire modus operandi is geared to making life difficult for itself.
After the team selection and performance he should have been sacked at 5.00 p.m. prior to any press interviews.
I don't believe in God, The Devil, Heaven or Hell but I went to Purgatory that day.
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Some of the early RHCP stuff wasn't too bad, they were never as good as they, or indeed lots of other people, thought they were though.
28 years later they are still the worst band I've ever seen. And I've seen Christian Death and Hanoi Rocks.
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Amused to see that 116 people think Garde is the ideal choice. I wonder how many had even heard of him before the weekend.
I'm off to find some Eskimos to sell ice cream to.
Yes let's go and get Neil Warnock I say.
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I actually think Kev will do ok, it was quite obvious to me that he went to Southampton to lose. Next week would be a much stronger team
Oh another manager who deliberately plays shit...in this case in both halves!
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Some of the early RHCP stuff wasn't too bad, they were never as good as they, or indeed lots of other people, thought they were though.
28 years later they are still the worst band I've ever seen. And I've seen Christian Death and Hanoi Rocks.
Should have gone to see lawnmower death
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Some of the early RHCP stuff wasn't too bad, they were never as good as they, or indeed lots of other people, thought they were though.
28 years later they are still the worst band I've ever seen. And I've seen Christian Death and Hanoi Rocks.
Glasvegas get my vote.
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I want Garde that is not the point, weeks ago we all new Sherwood was gone that was when all the problems around a new manager and staff should have been negotiated and sorted, not wait until you have sacked the incumbent and then find there are problems.
Sherwood wasn't "gone" until last Sunday. I'd like to think our club wouldn't be as underhand as negotiating a contract while he was still our manager.
thats exactly what I'd want them to be doing. The apparant fact that they haven't been, means another 2 or 3 games in all likelihood that we have to wait for a permanent replacement to come in. This effectively puts us back another 5-6 games, whilst the eventual replacement finds his feet (assuming he 'hits the ground running'). They should have had a replacement waiting to sign once Sherwood got the arse.
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It's all down to money.Randy doesn't want to spend it but it looks as if he has no choice in this matter.The question should be will he be spending it on the right man?
I am beginning to have doubts.
It will cost him a lot more if we go down.
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I can't believe 8 people want Pearson, are Bluenoses logging on or what?
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I actually think Kev will do ok, it was quite obvious to me that he went to Southampton to lose. Next week would be a much stronger team
Oh another manager who deliberately plays shit...in this case in both halves!
Next time we decide to lose a game perhaps they can let us know before we set off on a 6 hour midweek round trip? We aren't good enough to field a 'weakened' team. We don't even know what our good team is.
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Very true Des, was a fucking terrible team
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I actually think Kev will do ok, it was quite obvious to me that he went to Southampton to lose. Next week would be a much stronger team
Oh another manager who deliberately plays shit...in this case in both halves!
Next time we decide to lose a game perhaps they can let us know before we set off on a 6 hour midweek round trip? We aren't good enough to field a 'weakened' team. We don't even know what our good team is.
Anyone who expects a full-strength team in those circumstances hasn't been paying attention for the past fifteen years.
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Next time we decide to lose a game perhaps they can let us know before we set off on a 6 hour midweek round trip? We aren't good enough to field a 'weakened' team. We don't even know what our good team is.
It's ok mate the Manager didn't tell us when we set off on the 2000 mile journey to Moscow why would anyone worry about a breeze of a trip to the south coast on a wet Wednesday night?
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I can't believe 8 people want Pearson, are Bluenoses logging on or what?
Pearson has "issues" (!), but he knows the PL and has experience in turning things around.
I realise that contracts take time to sort out, who really thinks that Moyes would come here?
They seem to want a French manager, which could work, but is probably more than a risk than Pearson.
Btw I "voted" for Martin Laudrup.
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Just read the article from yesterday in the Guardian on Garde...interesting.
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They piss me off they way they spell the word "Chilli" incorrectly. Twats.
Sorry, got sidetracked.
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Although Google says it's double 'L' in chilli con carne but only one 'L' in chili pepper so I guess that makes me the twat.
They're still shite though.
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I would rather get genital warts than Pearson
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It seems that KMD will remain caretaker for at least three games.
i'm gutted.
Isn't it amateur that the club sacked Sherwood without having a substitute?
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Now you have got me worried. What is the correct spelling of the plant of the Capiscum family? I have just ordered ten thousand ceramic pots with the word "Chilli" in the glaze. Will I suffer public mockery and ridicule?
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Although Google says it's double 'L' in chilli con carne but only one 'L' in chili pepper so I guess that makes me the twat.
They're still shite though.
They're the fucking worst.
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I would rather get genital warts than Pearson
I think his son got both
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Now you have got me worried. What is the correct spelling of the plant of the Capiscum family? I have just ordered ten thousand ceramic pots with the word "Chilli" in the glaze. Will I suffer public mockery and ridicule?
You're fine, as long as you're selling them in the UK. 'Chilli' is used in British English, 'chile' or 'chili' in US parlance.
As it derives from Spanish and they go with 'chile' there's an argument for that being the most etymologically pure, but the name of the plant was “chilli” in 16th-century translations of Nahuatl, the language that gave Spanish the word in the first place.
So 'chilli' is probably fine - but a bit by accident.
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Ask the guy to resign and offer to pay the balance on his contract. How much can it really be worth?
We need a new man and quickly. We shouldn't be writing off any points and if it is to be Garde, then lets get it done. Of course we may well be doing exactly that.
A few hundred grand probably? We need to stop being the nice guys. Nice players, nice managers, nice ground, nice employees, we do things the nice way. Fuck that, pay off the clubs, bung them, whatever just get a fucking manager in so he at least has a few weeks working with the players before we hit some games that we aren't just willing to write off as another one of those games we aren't expected to get anything from.
2 weeks work, hard drilling in a way of playing and a new idea, give them the best shot at beating Watford at home. I don't want to see us totally disjointed against them and then throw out another ''oh well he hasn't had any time to work with the players yet, patience'' because we will be on 4 pts from 14 games, which is almost certainly relegation.
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Now you have got me worried. What is the correct spelling of the plant of the Capiscum family? I have just ordered ten thousand ceramic pots with the word "Chilli" in the glaze. Will I suffer public mockery and ridicule?
you will if they are for your front garden
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While you are at working temperature then Dave, it is our intention if possible to put both "hot" (Cayenne, scotch bonnet etc) and "sweet" (bell peppers) in the same pots, individually of course. Though botanically they are Capiscum are they chilli's? Cambridge is wall to wall nerks so I am bound to be taken to task. Not you Mont or you Doc, you are not nerks.
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While you are at working temperature then Dave, it is our intention if possible to put both "hot" (Cayenne, scotch bonnet etc) and "sweet" (bell peppers) in the same pots, individually of course. Though botanically they are Capiscum are they chilli's? Cambridge is wall to wall nerks so I am bound to be taken to task. Not you Mont or you Doc, you are not nerks.
I live in Oxford now Brian, so I miss the nerks. Toffs are worse than nerks.
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I think it will all work out fine as long as no gnomes are involved.
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I once designed a gnomon for a park in La Villette Paris. I was gutted that it was a giant sundial not a monster concrete job with a fishing rod.
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While you are at working temperature then Dave, it is our intention if possible to put both "hot" (Cayenne, scotch bonnet etc) and "sweet" (bell peppers) in the same pots, individually of course. Though botanically they are Capiscum are they chilli's? Cambridge is wall to wall nerks so I am bound to be taken to task. Not you Mont or you Doc, you are not nerks.
cheers Brian....:)
UTV
The Doc
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Some of the early RHCP stuff wasn't too bad, they were never as good as they, or indeed lots of other people, thought they were though.
28 years later they are still the worst band I've ever seen. And I've seen Christian Death and Hanoi Rocks.
Glasvegas get my vote.
Ocean Colour Scene
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In case this hasn't been posted (http://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2015/oct/28/remi-garde-tim-sherwood-aston-villa) -Article on Grauniad online about Garde.
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While you are at working temperature then Dave, it is our intention if possible to put both "hot" (Cayenne, scotch bonnet etc) and "sweet" (bell peppers) in the same pots, individually of course. Though botanically they are Capiscum are they chilli's? Cambridge is wall to wall nerks so I am bound to be taken to task. Not you Mont or you Doc, you are not nerks.
I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on it, but from a recent episode of the (very good indeed) podcast Stuff You Should Know all about chilli peppers, I think that all chillis are peppers but not all peppers are chillis. I think that to be a chilli/chili/chile pepper it has to product capsaicin, which bell peppers do not (and are subsequently 0 on the Scoville scale). They all come from the capsicum genus.
If you have any issues, I'd suggest calling their bluff and mocking that they clearly can't recognise a cross-cultivated Argentinian chacoense when they see one.
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Some of the early RHCP stuff wasn't too bad, they were never as good as they, or indeed lots of other people, thought they were though.
28 years later they are still the worst band I've ever seen. And I've seen Christian Death and Hanoi Rocks.
Should have gone to see lawnmower death
Some RHCP stuff is OK, some of it awful and a lot of it mediocre.
Saw them as headliners at Reading in '94. Absolutely shite. All of them obviously off their faces on god knows what, walking onto stage stark bollock naked apart from a woolly sock over their cocks. Followed by an absolute shambles of a set. Whoever had done soundcheck was obviously off their tits as well.
Saw them again as headliners in'99. Cleaned up, capable of playing and boring as hell.
Saw Lawnmower Death in '91 with a guy I used to go to college with (his brother's idea.) My only coping mechanism was huge quantities of Jack Daniels. Shit doesn't even come close to it. More a sewage works that's been broken down for a month but kept on receiving "raw material"
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I saw them at bloodstock last year they were funny. Nothing groundbreaking just funny
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In case this hasn't been posted (http://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2015/oct/28/remi-garde-tim-sherwood-aston-villa) -Article on Grauniad online about Garde.
Interesting thanks.
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He has pulled out of his media duties this weekend...Garde that is.
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He has pulled out of his media duties this weekend...Garde that is.
Probably off to the beaches of the Riviera for the last bit of sunbathing before winter arrives.
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In the Telegraph match report for the game last night they are suggesting progress has been made towards getting him. Let's hope so, the more I read, the more I think it it's the best risk worth taking.
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For God's sake people, it's Lawnmower Deth. No "a". Like Rndy Learner.
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BT Sport are saying Murat Yakin will have preliminary talks with us this morning.
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Do they have a tribute band called Lwnmower Deth?
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BT Sport are saying Murat Yakin will have preliminary talks with us this morning.
Scratch that, might well be a parody account.
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Think it is. Good coach though.
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Whoever comes in will need David Blaine and Paul Daniels as his assistants.
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For God's sake people, it's Lawnmower Deth. No "a". Like Rndy Learner.
In my defence I was very, very pissed and it was 20 odd years ago. I struggle to remember what I've had breakfast by the time I get to work these days.
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For God's sake people, it's Lawnmower Deth. No "a". Like Rndy Learner.
Sorry never realised, must be predicted text. Chill man 😉
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Always liked the name Death by Milkfloat. Never liked the name Nigel Pearson.
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/10047328/aston-villa-target-remi-garde-pulls-out-of-media-duties
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Surely only a matter of time now...
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/10047328/aston-villa-target-remi-garde-pulls-out-of-media-duties
Apparently he's taking the weekend off to go to Resorts World.
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Do they have a tribute band called Lwnmower Deth?
Well, Genesis had a hit record with "I Knw Wht I Lke" in which Peter Gabriel lamented "Me I just a Lwnmwr, you can tell me by the I wlk" after he had been advised that there was a future for him in fire escape trade.
In other less than auspicious news, Phil Collins has announced he is no longer officially retired.
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Yeah I saw that, obviously broke. Just as long as he doesn't start recording new material
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Surely only a matter of time now...
I think someone mentioned pages back that Henry might be a possible coach / assistant to Garde.
While Garde would like his old staff, there was a time when he had to start a bit fresh, and if he's keen to come, well, you roll with the punches and change it.
Maybe he is organising a new staff team and that takes a bit of time?
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Well Henry would certainly improve our free kick technique. It's called the taking the kick before the ref has blown his whistle manoeuvre. Sometimes also called the working the star struck referee gambit.
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Andy Gray has backed Yorke for a role, as Garde is too big a gamble........
Jobs for the boys?
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If anything highlights the vacuum of knowledge that pundits have about our club or the game in general, then it's this scenario. It's unreal!
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Andy Gray has backed Yorke for a role, as Garde is too big a gamble........
Jobs for the boys?
Really?
Seriously?
How the f*ck does this guy get paid to talk about... well, anything?
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Gray is clueless. Yorke is a far bigger gamble than Garde.
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Andy Gray has backed Yorke for a role, as Garde is too big a gamble........
Jobs for the boys?
Has Yorke got a book to flog or a bit part in a panto that needs to sell tickets? I honestly can't think of a sane reason why he thinks he's up to the job.
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The quality of the football pundits in this country is pathetic.
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What sort of role would Yorke have? Mentoring our players how to make big money moves to other clubs? Come back to our ground and kiss the badge of his new club in front of the Holte? Spend ten years without ever acknowledging that he had a debt of gratitude to Villa? Air brushing his time with us into some sort of fable?
If Dwight Yorke got his feet under the table at Villa Park, Jack Grealish would be a Manchester United player within six months.
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What sort of role would Yorke have? Mentoring our players how to make big money moves to other clubs? Come back to our ground and kiss the badge of his new club in front of the Holte? Spend ten years without ever acknowledging that he had a debt of gratitude to Villa? Air brushing his time with us into some sort of fable?
If Dwight Yorke got his feet under the table at Villa Park, Jack Grealish would be a Manchester United player within six months.
yorke needs to concentrate on being a dad to his son before he starts spouting bollocks
dont know who gray thinks he is to comment how long did he last as big rons assistant
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Gray is clueless. Yorke is a far bigger gamble than Garde.
I may as well sell everything I've ever worked for, pop the family into a B&B and head to Vegas - I'll stick the lot on Black.
That's less of gamble than Dwight Yorke.
...and Andy Gray. FFS.
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Do we solely have Doug to blame for our distinct lack of loyal ex players?
Platt, Yorke, Bosnich............
This shortage saddens me greatly - What I'd give for a Brian Little figure to be heading our way.
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Andy Gray has urged Aston Villa owner Randy Lerner to pick an experienced Premier League boss to succeed Tim Sherwood.
Lerner is reportedly ready to hand Frenchman Remi Garde the reins at Villa Park, but Gray believes it would be a big mistake to appoint someone who has not managed in England.
Villa are sitting bottom of the table, four points adrift of safety, after a run of six successive defeats, and Gray told talkSPORT on Thursday: “In the situation they are in, they need an experienced head, a cool head, someone who knows the league. Someone who can turn things around quickly, who can get things done.
"Aston Villa can definitely not take a gamble now. They are detached already after ten games at the bottom of the league.
“Villa are going to have to win three or four games in a six-game spell to get out of the bottom three. That looks a long way from happening right now.”
Dwight Yorke told talkSPORT earlier this week that he wants to be given the chance transform Villa’s fortunes, despite his complete lack of managerial experience.
“He loves the club, he has got his coaching badges, he is young, he is fresh… but not on his own.
“Along with an experienced head, then maybe it could be the type of combination that could get Villa out of it".
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If anything highlights the vacuum of knowledge that pundits have about our club or the game in general, then it's this scenario. It's unreal!
Never were truer words spoken ( written),Ads. The " vacuum of knowledge " , you mention is beyond pitiful but wholly indicative of today,s so called Media ' experts' especially with regard to our club , and others like us, i.e.those outside the great Metrollops of London & Manchester.................Godzvilla!
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Do we solely have Doug to blame for our distinct lack of loyal ex players?
Platt, Yorke, Bosnich............
This shortage saddens me greatly - What I'd give for a Brian Little figure to be heading our way.
I'd like to, but you can't blame Doug for modern football.
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The quicker the media turn over these antiquated 'experts' the better. All they seem to do is promote their ilk for jobs that they are clearly a decade (or more) past being suitable for - if at all. Alan Brazil is the best example of this. These dinosaurs need another ice age.
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Scary how few genuinely good and realistic candidates there seem to be about (or not as the case may be )
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Garde has managed Lyon, Yorke has managed no one. Jog on the pair of you
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Do we solely have Doug to blame for our distinct lack of loyal ex players?
Platt, Yorke, Bosnich............
This shortage saddens me greatly - What I'd give for a Brian Little figure to be heading our way.
I'd like to, but you can't blame Doug for modern football.
Not even a 1/22 part share?
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Do we solely have Doug to blame for our distinct lack of loyal ex players?
Platt, Yorke, Bosnich............
This shortage saddens me greatly - What I'd give for a Brian Little figure to be heading our way.
I'd like to, but you can't blame Doug for modern football.
Not even a 1/22 part share?
Go on then.
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It gets better...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-vacancy-manchester-united-10350890
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Yes go for Yorke-equivalent of telling an alcoholic to leave the pub and go to the brewery!
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It gets better...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-vacancy-manchester-united-10350890
The Mail never ceases to amaze me. How is it still going?
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Dwight Yorke's getting a couple of his mates to hint that he'd like to be a manager somewhere. Big wows.
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Yes interesting however he should realise that Bosko whilst out player didn't actually play for us!
"Villa don’t seem equipped to adapt to the “Brendan Rodgers way”, and the evidently eager Dwight Yorke’s credentials boil down to the fact that he used to play for the club. So too did Bosko Balaban. If Villa are to be resuscitated from their current state, they need a long-term vision Putting anyone in charge of such of a task with so few realistic candidates available will always be a risk. Garde may well be one worth taking, with bigger and better offers unlikely to be too far off for the Frenchman."
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Why don't these ex-pros who reckon "I've done my badges" go and put them into practice somewhere? What about learning the trade further down the pyramid? Which, to be fair, is what Lambert had done. If Yorke was making these claims having overseen a turnaround and a promotion whilst working on a tight budget with, say, Coventry, then there would be some substance behind them.
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It gets better...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-vacancy-manchester-united-10350890
Fuck off. Go and manage Kidderminster or Stourbridge first and then Burton Albion before you even think about errr Wolves!
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Simon Grayson has more credentials than Yorke. As does John Gregory. Or Kenny Swain. I'd even have BFR back ahead of Yorke.
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People getting angry about Yorke becoming our new manager may as well get into a tantrum over the possibility of Ian Paisley Jr becoming the next Pope.
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No that can't happen as you need to be quite senior to become a Pope.
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It gets better...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-vacancy-manchester-united-10350890
Fuck off. Go and manage Kidderminster or Stourbridge first and then Burton Albion before you even think about errr Wolves!
Oh Piss Off Yorkie. We have amused far too many rival fans and neutrals for that matter. Hiring you would be the ultimate Mike Bassett moment.
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Christophe Galtier (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2015/10/28/christophe-galtier-in-the-frame-for-villa-job/)
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Why don't these ex-pros who reckon "I've done my badges" go and put them into practice somewhere? What about learning the trade further down the pyramid? Which, to be fair, is what Lambert had done. If Yorke was making these claims having overseen a turnaround and a promotion whilst working on a tight budget with, say, Coventry, then there would be some substance behind them.
This is why I never really liked Sherwood that much. It annoys me how ex players think they have a right to a job at a high level. I respect people like Hasselbaink who try and work their way up.
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Whoever comes in will need David Blaine and Paul Daniels as his assistants.
and i will lie down in a box so the glamorous assistant can pass them big shiny pieces of metal to chop my body into pieces
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Apologies if old news but according to SSN Remi Garde has withdrawn from any media work this weekend on French TV. At the risk of reading too much into this I expect an announcement and whatever the equivilant to the shirt stretch to be done either Friday afternoon or Saturday morning.
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Scary how few genuinely good and realistic candidates there seem to be about (or not as the case may be )
Refreshingly upbeat
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Christophe Galtier (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2015/10/28/christophe-galtier-in-the-frame-for-villa-job/)
Bloody hell. These French managers are quite 'ansome aren't they. Im not letting Lady Ron see a picture of him!
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Do we solely have Doug to blame for our distinct lack of loyal ex players?
Platt, Yorke, Bosnich............
This shortage saddens me greatly - What I'd give for a Brian Little figure to be heading our way.
I don't like it but we gleaned huge amounts for Platt and Yorke and both went on to have a lot of success at club level with others. Sky especially then refers back to their 'Premiership' successes.
Bosnich though? He did less than the square root of fuck all for Yah-nit-ed and Chavski and all of his best playing days were with us.
1992–1999 Aston Villa 179 (0)
1999–2001 Manchester United 23 (0)
2001–2003 Chelsea 5 (0
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Christophe Galtier (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2015/10/28/christophe-galtier-in-the-frame-for-villa-job/)
He was great on Eurotrash
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I keep reading his surname as Gauleiter for some reason.
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Apologies if old news but according to SSN Remi Garde has withdrawn from any media work this weekend on French TV. At the risk of reading too much into this I expect an announcement and whatever the equivilant to the shirt stretch to be done either Friday afternoon or Saturday morning.
He'll stretch a Burne-Jones print outside BMAG.
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Christophe Galtier (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2015/10/28/christophe-galtier-in-the-frame-for-villa-job/)
Bloody hell. These French managers are quite 'ansome aren't they. Im not letting Lady Ron see a picture of him!
Don't get too downhearted Ron, lot's of women prefer craggy faced, heavy jowelled English managers with an expanded waistline. ;)
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Apologies if old news but according to SSN Remi Garde has withdrawn from any media work this weekend on French TV. At the risk of reading too much into this I expect an announcement and whatever the equivilant to the shirt stretch to be done either Friday afternoon or Saturday morning.
Let's bloody hope so. All this 'safe pair of hands' bollocks is doing my head in, Pearson is a wanker and he successfully managed half a good season in the Premier League. On that basis we may as well hire Lambert back, as he did that too. It's time to take a risk and get someone in who might get us playing entertaining football and actually push us above our current glass ceiling of the relegation battle. I don't want a manager who might get us survival, but will have us playing horrendous football for their entire reign.
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Can anyone clarify if Garde will be working for French TV this weekend ?
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Can anyone clarify if Garde will be working for French TV this weekend ?
You're doing it deliberately now aren't you?
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Don't mind Yorke wanting the job at all, fair do's. It shows dash.
But the lunatics will have well and truly taken over the asylum if he even gets to the interview stage.
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Can anyone clarify if Garde will be working for French TV this weekend ?
You're doing it deliberately now aren't you?
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/10047328/aston-villa-target-remi-garde-pulls-out-of-media-duties
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Well Henry would certainly improve our free kick technique. It's called the taking the kick before the ref has blown his whistle manoeuvre. Sometimes also called the working the star struck referee gambit.
I am not too sure that the star struck referee gambit would work coming from Leandro Bacuna or Ashley Westwood, Brian.
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Can anyone clarify if Garde will be working for French TV this weekend ?
You're doing it deliberately now aren't you?
Maybe we can add WUM before his name.
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Can anyone clarify if Garde will be working for French TV this weekend ?
You're doing it deliberately now aren't you?
It was tongue in cheek . I will shut up now .
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promise?
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Can anyone clarify if Garde will be working for French TV this weekend ?
You're doing it deliberately now aren't you?
It was tongue in cheek . I will shut up now .
Last time I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt ;-)
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In the spirit of the famous John Lennon song "Give SilhillVilla a Chance" I thought it was pretty obvious he was joking with the TV duties question.
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Can anyone clarify if Garde will be working for French TV this weekend ?
You're doing it deliberately now aren't you?
I'd say so.
(https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4ot8fGTVB1qdezf9o1_500.gif)
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Free the Silhill One!
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Don't mind Yorke wanting the job at all, fair do's. It shows dash.
But the lunatics will have well and truly taken over the asylum if he even gets to the interview stage.
i hope the new manager who ever he is can find a place for Dwight amongst his backroom staff
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Well Henry would certainly improve our free kick technique. It's called the taking the kick before the ref has blown his whistle manoeuvre. Sometimes also called the working the star struck referee gambit.
I am not too sure that the star struck referee gambit would work coming from Leandro Bacuna or Ashley Westwood, Brian.
Talking about free kicks I heard a commentator mention that Ronaldo had scored 2 from 84 attempts over the last few seasons. I suppose he scores a few not from free kicks so all is forgiven!
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I suppose he is not very good at free kicks but if he grabs the ball nobody is going to take it off him.
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I wonder who has the best record in free kicks. Ones past Guzan don't count due to his positioning being woeful.
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Juan Mata apparently. 5 from 28 in Jan according to talk sport.
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I wonder who has the best record in free kicks. Ones past Guzan don't count due to his positioning being woeful.
I'd go for Hakan Calhanoglu, Andrea Pirlo and Francesco Lodi.
I'm addicted to Watching Sunday Night Seria A and Bundesliga at the minute.
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I wonder who has the best record in free kicks. Ones past Guzan don't count due to his positioning being woeful.
I'd go for Hakan Calhanoglu, Andrea Pirlo and Francesco Lodi.
I'm addicted to Watching Sunday Night Seria A and Bundesliga at the minute.
Miralem Pjanic is on four from six. Or he was this time last week anyway.
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Scary how few genuinely good and realistic candidates there seem to be about (or not as the case may be ) candidates that aren't media blown jobs for the boys seem to be mentioned in the media due to the media largely being a sycophantic jobs for the boys type of network.
Fixed.
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Why isn't Martin Laursen on that list?
He started managing a Danish serie 2 team and saved them from relegation ;)
Though, I think he is very good tactically - He is a pundit now and then in DK tv, and sounds like he has good understanding (not so good as a pundit though).
Could be worth taking on as defensive coach
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You are very keen on Italian football too mates, congrats. But do not forget Biglia, that plays in my Lazio! ;D
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You are very keen on Italian football too mates, congrats. But do not forget Biglia, that plays in my Lazio! ;D
It's great Sunday evening viewing here. I've done quite a few grounds in Italy. Sampdoria is next on the list.
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Why isn't Martin Laursen on that list?
He started managing a Danish serie 2 team and saved them from relegation ;)
Though, I think he is very good tactically - He is a pundit now and then in DK tv, and sounds like he has good understanding (not so good as a pundit though).
Could be worth taking on as defensive coach
You get the delights of TV3+ as well then?
I've always thought that he doesn't fit well as a pundit because he doesn't buy into all the false back slapping.
Did you see him at half time for the Liverpool game. He seemed visibly angry about the way Sherwood had set the team up.
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Personally I'd be fully supportive of the Remi Garde appointment if it happens...none of us know too much about him and no doubt it would be a big risk, but from what I've read he seems to be a very knowledgeable and intelligent manager. He is used to working under financial restraints and working with youth, and with the current composition of our squad, this seems like the best fit under the circumstances and hopefully with the right team of staff supporting him, we can establish a good backroom staff and management team.
I'd take that risk every day of the week in the hope of playing attractive football in the long term rather than what we know what we'll get with Moyes or Pearce. I dont for one second believe the line that you can't get out of relegation by playing football...its just another throw away football cliche used by the media folk.
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Aulas is digging in. He's been interviewed in Le Progres and has said: "Remi Garde to Aston Villa? Yes, without my deputies. Under contract, they do not leave." Bit depressing really.
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If Remi can't get his assistant, he should still take the job and make Martin Laursen his no 2.
Another question, why Tony Parks is still working with Aston Villa ?
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Aulas is digging in. He's been interviewed in Le Progres and has said: "Remi Garde to Aston Villa? Yes, without my deputies. Under contract, they do not leave." Bit depressing really.
They'll leave if they want to.
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Aulas is digging in. He's been interviewed in Le Progres and has said: "Remi Garde to Aston Villa? Yes, without my deputies. Under contract, they do not leave." Bit depressing really.
Surely it's to be expected. I'd be surprised if he said the opposite because I'd then question the value of employees that anyone would give up without a fight.
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Are these coaches contracts bound in blood or something? We need to stop pissing around and sort it out. If they want to come they should quit and make the move.
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Are these coaches contracts bound in blood or something? We need to stop pissing around and sort it out. If they want to come they should quit and make the move.
The coaches have, like Garde, a long stranding relationships with Lyon. There is a certain amount of honour and loyalty that needs to be factored in. I'm assuming the deal has been agreed but Lyon need to find two first team coaches to replace them before they let them leave.
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Surely Lyon are only doing what we'd want Villa to be doing in the same circumstances?
<<sarcastic laughter at the notion of our coaches being in demand elsewhere>>
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You are very keen on Italian football too mates, congrats. But do not forget Biglia, that plays in my Lazio! ;D
It's great Sunday evening viewing here. I've done quite a few grounds in Italy. Sampdoria is next on the list.
Excellent choice, mate. Beautiful city (Genova), best Italian stadium with San Siro, no athletic track, and great atmosphere inside: pure English style!
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Are these coaches contracts bound in blood or something? We need to stop pissing around and sort it out. If they want to come they should quit and make the move.
The coaches have, like Garde, a long stranding relationships with Lyon. There is a certain amount of honour and loyalty that needs to be factored in. I'm assuming the deal has been agreed but Lyon need to find two first team coaches to replace them before they let them leave.
Sherwood and Wilkins are available.
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Well they said he wouldn't come without them? Someone is wrong somewhere
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Surely Lyon are only doing what we'd want Villa to be doing in the same circumstances?
<<sarcastic laughter at the notion of our coaches being in demand elsewhere>>
They could get work for the odd day trip to London.
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If Garde wants a premier league job he is going to have to find himself 2 new assistants clearly. Did he play with Keown? Always thought he was quiet a good talker about the game. What about Pires as a coach? Or Christopher wreh?
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Are these coaches contracts bound in blood or something? We need to stop pissing around and sort it out. If they want to come they should quit and make the move.
The coaches have, like Garde, a long stranding relationships with Lyon. There is a certain amount of honour and loyalty that needs to be factored in. I'm assuming the deal has been agreed but Lyon need to find two first team coaches to replace them before they let them leave.
I'm sure this is more complicated by the fact this is mid season. I want us to get this done as quickly as possible but I'd rather we did this correctly than jump to a compromise managerial candidate.
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Lets face it, even at our recent best the next 2 games are pretty tricky to get anything from.
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They are. Both sides in good form and we are not. Almost tempting to their caution to the wind and play 3-4-3 type formation and really have a good go.
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Another formation. They should just settle on a 4-2-3-1 with the best suited players to play it and stick to it for a while. It sounds like that's one of Garde's favoured formations.
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I think Remi Garde will try to force Duverne and Baticle to come with him and if they won't come he will get somebody else. He missed out at Newcastle and wanted the Brighton job. His overriding motivation is to get his management career back on track.
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Are these coaches contracts bound in blood or something? We need to stop pissing around and sort it out. If they want to come they should quit and make the move.
The coaches have, like Garde, a long stranding relationships with Lyon. There is a certain amount of honour and loyalty that needs to be factored in. I'm assuming the deal has been agreed but Lyon need to find two first team coaches to replace them before they let them leave.
It would be very like Aulas to do the over-my-dead-body thing, so that later on he can paint himself as the most generous person ever for letting them go.
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And very Gallic into the bargain (says the man earlier complained about racial stereotyping) Mais oui but Gallic bravura may be something we need. A whiff of garlic around the place. Very handy at Halloween the mood the Villa ghosts must be in.
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It's frustrating, but hopefully the consummation will be worth the wait. There's no point just taking Garde without his trusted assistants, as he obviously feels he needs them by his side, and the idea he can just summon (and work the minor miracle of keeping us up) with just any French bloke who has a connection to Arsenal is a bit stupid really.
We've been moaning about Wilkins all season for not doing anything to help Sherwood, so getting the right coaching staff will be vitally important. The fact that Lyon are unwilling to let them go without one hell of a fight can only be encouraging in my book. Who knows one day, they might pick a decent team, and maybe even play a formation and with tactics that suit that team...You never know.
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I reckon we'll have some news sooner rather than later. Just got a sneaky feeling for some reason.
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Are these coaches contracts bound in blood or something? We need to stop pissing around and sort it out. If they want to come they should quit and make the move.
The coaches have, like Garde, a long stranding relationships with Lyon. There is a certain amount of honour and loyalty that needs to be factored in. I'm assuming the deal has been agreed but Lyon need to find two first team coaches to replace them before they let them leave.
It would be very like Aulas to do the over-my-dead-body thing, so that later on he can paint himself as the most generous person ever for letting them go.
Off course. And to his fans when the coaches do leave he can publicly at least have been seen to do everything possible to have them remain at the club. It all seems a little manufactured.
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I reckon we'll have some news sooner rather than later. Just got a sneaky feeling for some reason.
Well it's certainly gone very quiet, one can only hope we're close to finalising the deals and contracts being signed. If we do have to wait until after the Man City game (3 games rumour) I'd prefer the club make an early announcement to say when Garde and his staff will be joining. Any lift right now would be welcome.
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Either way my hunch is that he is coming avec ou sans baggage. He is the catalyst. If he cannot stem our decline an army of coaches is not going to help. How much talent does it take to Google up the English for "don't take floaty corners" or "throw the ball out quickly" or "Number 11 on the scales please".
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I can see why the coach wouldn't want to come. He's been at Lyon for the last four or five managers and probably has a job for life if he wants it.
At Villa, he would probably do better financially both in terms of wage and lower tax rates. It could all work out well and he'd stay at Villa for years (or move to Arsenal when Wenger retires if Garde does excellently). However, he could find himself out of work altogether if, like all Villa's recent managers, Remi ends up getting the push.
Obviously I want him here but can see why he might be reluctant to resign and burn his bridges at Lyon.
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Either way my hunch is that he is coming avec ou sans baggage. He is the catalyst. If he cannot stem our decline an army of coaches is not going to help. How much talent does it take to Google up the English for "don't take floaty corners" or "throw the ball out quickly" or "Number 11 on the scales please".
Excellent
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I reckon we'll have some news sooner rather than later. Just got a sneaky feeling for some reason.
I get a sense of that too.
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I'll be glad if he is putting down a few conditions of his own. The last 3 managers came across as yes men just pleased to have a top flight job.
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How much talent does it take to Google up the English for "don't take floaty corners" or "throw the ball out quickly" or "Number 11 on the scales please".
"Number one and number nine, you both have your boots on the wrong feet".
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Either way my hunch is that he is coming avec ou sans baggage. He is the catalyst. If he cannot stem our decline an army of coaches is not going to help. How much talent does it take to Google up the English for "don't take floaty corners" or "throw the ball out quickly" or "Number 11 on the scales please".
Very good.
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How much talent does it take to Google up the English for "don't take floaty corners" or "throw the ball out quickly" or "Number 11 on the scales please".
"Number one and number nine, you both have your boots on the wrong feet".
Very good!
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When the Villa come knocking, YOU ANSWER!
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Number 1 and Number 9 you have got each other's boots on the wrong feet.
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I'll be glad if he is putting down a few conditions of his own. The last 3 managers came across as yes men just pleased to have a top flight job.
Hopefully one of those conditions is a large guaranteed transfer budget.
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I'll be glad if he is putting down a few conditions of his own. The last 3 managers came across as yes men just pleased to have a top flight job.
Hopefully one of those conditions is a large guaranteed transfer budget.
Indeed.
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I'll be glad if he is putting down a few conditions of his own. The last 3 managers came across as yes men just pleased to have a top flight job.
Hopefully one of those conditions is a large guaranteed transfer budget.
Indeed.
A reasonable one would do...
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When the Villa come knocking, YOU ANSWER!
Oh how I wish that was still true.
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Number 1 and Number 9 you have got each other's wellington boots on the wrong feet.
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When the Villa come knocking, YOU ANSWER!
Oh how I wish that was still true.
Now it's just our knees knocking.
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If his assistants didn't want to come and Garde would only come with them we wouldn't still be talking to him.
End of the day, if they want to come they will do, as is always the case in football.
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You can understand that they have a preferred choice of assistant etc, but it would be weird for a manager to not want to get back into managing unless he has certain people with him. What if they never want to leave the clubs they are at, is he going to leave himself the choice of manage one specific club or never manage again?
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When the Villa come knocking, YOU ANSWER!
Oh how I wish that was still true.
Now it's just our knees knocking.
oh no, we ring and run. Then ownership can pedal to us that at least they went for the big names.
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If his assistants didn't want to come and Garde would only come with them we wouldn't still be talking to him.
End of the day, if they want to come they will do, as is always the case in football.
You'd also have thought that, given we've probably been talking to Garde for a while, the assistants would have been aware of the situation for at least a week now. He probably phoned them on Saturday at the latest to ask them if they're interested, so there's no way they're not at least open to the idea. Aulas is just fronting up.
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Well I've not read anywhere that Garde has ruled himself out so I'm guessing this is happening.
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Does anyone know how close he was to joining Newcastle? Was it very tentative enquiries or is it a carbon copy of our situation?
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If his assistants didn't want to come and Garde would only come with them we wouldn't still be talking to him.
End of the day, if they want to come they will do, as is always the case in football.
Indeed.
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Does anyone know how close he was to joining Newcastle? Was it very tentative enquiries or is it a carbon copy of our situation?
Seems spookily similar, he couldn't secure his coaches and so it fell through. Aswell as the art gallery stuff.
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I read he pulled out when it was clear his assistants wouldn't come with him to Newcastle, but it may not have been as clear cut. Galtier also ruled himself out saying he would not leave St Ettiene mid season.
Richards' comments in the Guardian about the French players is very interesting, I reckon there is a pretty split dressing room at the moment that will take some mending, possibly perpetuated by Sherwood telling people certain players were not his buys.
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Would Garde to Pearson be as big a leap as Martinez to Eck?
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I read he pulled out when it was clear his assistants wouldn't come with him to Newcastle, but it may not have been as clear cut. Galtier also ruled himself out saying he would not leave St Ettiene mid season.
Richards' comments in the Guardian about the French players is very interesting, I reckon there is a pretty split dressing room at the moment that will take some mending, possibly perpetuated by Sherwood telling people certain players were not his buys.
I thought the comments looked just a little bit stupid, but I'm probably being unfair.
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I don't think you are. I thought they were quite disrespectful and a little intimidating to any new man who is coming in. Richards clearly had free reign over Sherwood and is not looking forward to being managed.
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cheap and predictable I know but how about two additions to the list?
phil power or the class of 82(not 92)
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It's frustrating, but hopefully the consummation will be worth the wait. There's no point just taking Garde without his trusted assistants, as he obviously feels he needs them by his side, and the idea he can just summon (and work the minor miracle of keeping us up) with just any French bloke who has a connection to Arsenal is a bit stupid really.
We've been moaning about Wilkins all season for not doing anything to help Sherwood, so getting the right coaching staff will be vitally important. The fact that Lyon are unwilling to let them go without one hell of a fight can only be encouraging in my book. Who knows one day, they might pick a decent team, and maybe even play a formation and with tactics that suit that team...You never know.
Don't get carried away.
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Mmm, just read Micah's comments, seems an edge to them for sure.
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Richards just said on ssn the football has been unbelievable. He's on smack
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I'm not happy with him to be honest
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Like coach, like captain - he seems to share Sherwood's views on leadership, especially relating to keeping things in-house.
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Great. A rift in the dressing room too ??
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Should fine him
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Richards just said on ssn the football has been unbelievable.
Well, it's true. Just not in the way he means.
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What has Richards said ? I must have missed it.
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What he's said is a bit dumb to be honest.
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Does anyone know how close he was to joining Newcastle? Was it very tentative enquiries or is it a carbon copy of our situation?
Seems spookily similar, he couldn't secure his coaches and so it fell through. Aswell as the art gallery stuff.
Are you sure about that?
I don't remember it, but am willing to be convinced otherwise.
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Julien Laurens said that Garde didn't feel Newcastle was the right club at the right time; he (Garde) is apparently convinced that Villa is both of those things.
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What he's said is a bit dumb to be honest.
Dumb? At Villa? Never, I won't hear of it.
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I've just read Richard's interview on SSN and unless he's said something else that i've missed, I don't see a problem with any of it.
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Julien Laurens said that Garde didn't feel Newcastle was the right club at the right time; he (Garde) is apparently convinced that Villa is both of those things.
Well get your fookin arse here then sunshine
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I've just read Richard's interview on SSN and unless he's said something else that i've missed, I don't see a problem with any of it.
Me either. Manager needs to make a new impact and being able to speak French & English would be a big plus. Seems all perfectly fair to me. Did he say something else I missed?
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I saw the Richards' interview earlier and didn't think anything of it. I can only remember him saying he thought Sherwood needed more time, which is true - he did. We couldn't afford to give it him though. For me we gave him 2 too many games as it was.
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Well I've just seen the video and his comments sound better than they read, which happens.
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Julien Laurens said that Garde didn't feel Newcastle was the right club at the right time; he (Garde) is apparently convinced that Villa is both of those things.
He also said (at least I think it was him. Could have been Auclaire. These cerebral French journalists all look the same to me. They come over here, offering their insightful analysis of pan-European football. It makes my piss itch.) on 5 Live that it was Mike Ashley who didn't want to employ the two coaches, rather than them not wanting to go to Newcastle.
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Julien Laurens said that Garde didn't feel Newcastle was the right club at the right time; he (Garde) is apparently convinced that Villa is both of those things.
He also said (at least I think it was him. Could have been Auclaire. These cerebral French journalists all look the same to me. They come over here, offering their insightful analysis of pan-European football. It makes my piss itch.) on 5 Live that it was Mike Ashley who didn't want to employ the two coaches, rather than them not wanting to go to Newcastle.
Ah interesting. A bit more unpromising, though, because it sounds more like the coaches are red lines for him. (For the record, Auclaire is the older one sounding like a chef who's morally offended that you're drinking the wrong wine with his food; Laurens sounds like a hipster who probably owns an ironic artisan mead shop - but in a French way.)
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You pair are well on form tonight. Well played.
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Julien Laurens said that Garde didn't feel Newcastle was the right club at the right time; he (Garde) is apparently convinced that Villa is both of those things.
He also said (at least I think it was him. Could have been Auclaire. These cerebral French journalists all look the same to me. They come over here, offering their insightful analysis of pan-European football. It makes my piss itch.) on 5 Live that it was Mike Ashley who didn't want to employ the two coaches, rather than them not wanting to go to Newcastle.
I thought it was more to do with Newcastle being a cultural vacuum?
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Julien Laurens said that Garde didn't feel Newcastle was the right club at the right time; he (Garde) is apparently convinced that Villa is both of those things.
He also said (at least I think it was him. Could have been Auclaire. These cerebral French journalists all look the same to me. They come over here, offering their insightful analysis of pan-European football. It makes my piss itch.) on 5 Live that it was Mike Ashley who didn't want to employ the two coaches, rather than them not wanting to go to Newcastle.
I thought it was more to do with Newcastle being a cultural vacuum?
I guess that will always be a factor. Although they do have a boat there.
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It comes in from time to time.
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Either way my hunch is that he is coming avec ou sans baggage. He is the catalyst. If he cannot stem our decline an army of coaches is not going to help. How much talent does it take to Google up the English for "don't take floaty corners" or "throw the ball out quickly" or "Number 11 on the scales please".
Brilliant. Witty and UUnder stated.
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You can understand that they have a preferred choice of assistant etc, but it would be weird for a manager to not want to get back into managing unless he has certain people with him. What if they never want to leave the clubs they are at, is he going to leave himself the choice of manage one specific club or never manage again?
Yes but this has proved a negative career defining role for a lot of our previous managers (Gregory, DOL, McLeish, Lambert, possibly Sherwood) when it's gone wrong, I can understand him looking at the Villa job and thinking, If I get this right I'm set up for a success at the Villa and possibly the Arsenal job when Wenger calls it a day - but I'll need my 100% best team with me.
This job is hard enough right now without having your tried and trusted team on-board with you.
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re: Newcastle.
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Would Garde to Pearson be as big a leap as Martinez to Eck?
Bigger.
Garde has already managed in Europa and Champions League so a step up from Martinez.
Pearson comes across as an odious cock socket, and based on the behaviour of his players, including his son, he has some unsavoury values to boot. Not something you'd say about McLeish.
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re: Newcastle.
Not forgetting such high brow Geordie literary fiction as Sid the Sexist, The Fat Slags and Roger Mellie.
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If his assistants didn't want to come and Garde would only come with them we wouldn't still be talking to him.
End of the day, if they want to come they will do, as is always the case in football.
Maybe the delay is identifying and recruiting other assistants. Better to sort that out pre-contract, noting Sherwood experience.
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I'm glad they are persevering. I would rather this than we end up with someone we don't really want and end up back I think position in 12 months or less. When in all likelihood we'll be in the division below us.
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I've just read Richard's interview on SSN and unless he's said something else that i've missed, I don't see a problem with any of it.
I didn't like the way he made out that Sherwood brought fantastic free flowing football to Villa. Also that we've been really unlucky which we haven't.
Hope you're well Bud
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Julien Laurens said that Garde didn't feel Newcastle was the right club at the right time; he (Garde) is apparently convinced that Villa is both of those things.
He also said (at least I think it was him. Could have been Auclaire. These cerebral French journalists all look the same to me. They come over here, offering their insightful analysis of pan-European football. It makes my piss itch.) on 5 Live that it was Mike Ashley who didn't want to employ the two coaches, rather than them not wanting to go to Newcastle.
I thought it was more to do with Newcastle being a cultural vacuum?
talking of Newcastle ,,,remember that Ant and Dec banner ,,, good job we haven't got em this week
but guess who we got last home match of the season
last laugh springs to mind ,,,,,or he who laughs last ,,,,laughs loudest
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Off topic (a bit) - did Yorke ever score against us for Manure? I recall the badge kissing but can't mind if it was after he scored a goal or just a general wind up.
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Definitely at least once - a penalty on the first day of the season, '95.
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Garde has cancelled his french tv commitments for tomorrow
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Off topic (a bit) - did Yorke ever score against us for Manure? I recall the badge kissing but can't mind if it was after he scored a goal or just a general wind up.
No. Scored a couple for Blackburn against us in a cup battering though.
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So the Lyon President has said there is no way he is releasing his coaching staff. Time for Garde to show leadership. Ask them to walk out or come without them. Piss or get off the pot time.
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So the Lyon President has said there is no way he is releasing his coaching staff. Time for Garde to show leadership. Ask them to walk out or come without them. Piss or get off the pot time.
Precisely. If they want to join Villa show some commitment, quit your job and get your arses over here. No more dilly dallying.
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Off topic (a bit) - did Yorke ever score against us for Manure? I recall the badge kissing but can't mind if it was after he scored a goal or just a general wind up.
No he didn't. Yeah He scored a couple against us in the cup for Blackburn. The crowd sang some really vile stuff at him, like "Is The Baby Really Yours?" So I can forgive the badge kissing.
I work opposite OT and have been to the odd Yorkie Q&A at the Red Café, and he's always spoken very highly of us.
Therefore I don't bare a grudge at all.
In the 30 years I've been going he's in the elite bunch of players with Cowans, Mcgrath and Platt.
I think Yorke would be a decent addition on the coaching set-up, especially with the younger players.
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So the Lyon President has said there is no way he is releasing his coaching staff. Time for Garde to show leadership. Ask them to walk out or come without them. Piss or get off the pot time.
Precisely. If they want to join Villa show some commitment, quit your job and get your arses over here. No more dilly dallying.
They're not going to dump on Lyon if they can help it. They can walk and we pay up the remainder of their contracts which will be peanuts. This is all about waiting for Lyon to find new coaches. There was obviously a verbal agreement with Garde that they wanted to join him before it hit the news.
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Will looks like we will need a couple of coaches even if Remi comes. There's be good people out there he can employ though. A forwards coach is a must assert the moment.
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Off topic (a bit) - did Yorke ever score against us for Manure? I recall the badge kissing but can't mind if it was after he scored a goal or just a general wind up.
No. Scored a couple for Blackburn against us in a cup battering though.
Cheers cd.
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Definitely at least once - a penalty on the first day of the season, '95.
Cheers. I think you misread the question though 😏
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Yorke kissed the badge when Beckham scored a free kick against us. The big tosser.
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My only concern is that there are examples of good managers who have struggled without their preferred staff.
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Off topic (a bit) - did Yorke ever score against us for Manure? I recall the badge kissing but can't mind if it was after he scored a goal or just a general wind up.
No he didn't. Yeah He scored a couple against us in the cup for Blackburn. The crowd sang some really vile stuff at him, like "Is The Baby Really Yours?" So I can forgive the badge kissing.
I work opposite OT and have been to the odd Yorkie Q&A at the Red Café, and he's always spoken very highly of us.
Therefore I don't bare a grudge at all.
In the 30 years I've been going he's in the elite bunch of players with Cowans, Mcgrath and Platt.
I think Yorke would be a decent addition on the coaching set-up, especially with the younger players.
I met him down at Sky Sports, had my pic taken with him and Redknapp. Yorkie was glowing in his love for the Villa, called us his club. I don't bear any grudges against him, not sure I would employ him as a coach though
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Off topic (a bit) - did Yorke ever score against us for Manure? I recall the badge kissing but can't mind if it was after he scored a goal or just a general wind up.
No he didn't. Yeah He scored a couple against us in the cup for Blackburn. The crowd sang some really vile stuff at him, like "Is The Baby Really Yours?" So I can forgive the badge kissing.
I work opposite OT and have been to the odd Yorkie Q&A at the Red Café, and he's always spoken very highly of us.
Therefore I don't bare a grudge at all.
In the 30 years I've been going he's in the elite bunch of players with Cowans, Mcgrath and Platt.
I think Yorke would be a decent addition on the coaching set-up, especially with the younger players.
Yorke is a self centred egotist, he should never be employed by Villa again... Amazing memories though.
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I was a little too young to appreciate how good Little and Gray were and even fully the Championship winning side. Didn't see them frequently enough.
Yorke is one my top 5 players for Villa. Along with McGrath (the best by a street), Platt, Cowans and Bosnich.
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You'd have thought that Garde could bring in some coaches through to the end of the season and then approach his preferred people in the summer. I quite like the idea of the club having a revolving door of coaches as long as they fit within a certain framework of what the management team are trying to achieve. It is an easy way of adding new ideas and freshness to the management's routines.
Just looking at Arsenal's double winning squad of 98 and any number of the following players could fill the gaps:
Keown, Platt, Winterburn, Dixon, Adams (!), and Overmas all are still involved with football.
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Yorke kissing the badge was presumably on the back of getting a fair amount of abuse.
I realise that this happens a lot, and that some people don't respond in the way that Yorke did, but sometimes we want it everything on our terms, and getting holier than thou when someone gives it back. He was my favourite player, and he was vindicated in moving in terms of profile and winning stuff. I also think that his frustration in how we have fallen comes across whenever he is on tv with his massively wide lapels.
I have no idea if he he would be any good as a coach though.
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Sky showed the 100 club programme with Yorkes 100 plus EPL goals. He was immense, 2 footed, good in the air could beat a player. The best all round striker I have seen in 48 years of supporting the Villa. I was at the badge kissing game and he was getting dogs abuse beforehand so anyone taking offence at this I would suggest should get over yourself. I always think he comments on the Villa fairly. Given he is supposed to be impartial how can you analyse any recent Villa game without saying we are crap. If he has the qualifications and ability to be a coach I would welcome him back. Not as Head Coach yet though.
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Sky showed the 100 club programme with Yorkes 100 plus EPL goals. He was immense, 2 footed, good in the air could beat a player. The best all round striker I have seen in 48 years of supporting the Villa. I was at the badge kissing game and he was getting dogs abuse beforehand so anyone taking offence at this I would suggest should get over yourself. I always think he comments on the Villa fairly. Given he is supposed to be impartial how can you analyse any recent Villa game without saying we are crap. If he has the qualifications and ability to be a coach I would welcome him back. Not as Head Coach yet though.
Was the badge kissing game at OT just before they won the treble when JJ scored for us?
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Wenger has his say:
I am convinced he is a frontrunner.
He has some problems to sort out with his assistants who work with Lyon. I believe it is a challenge he should take. Advice? You know our job is about personality and having the courage to live with your ideas.
Honestly I have a lot of respect for all the managers at Villa. I believe Sherwood was not given time. [Paul] Lambert was not given time - I don't know why.
Remi is an intelligent man who is now experienced. He will try to get his ideas across and hopefully he can work. They have five or six French players who have not all had an impact.
So, he appears to be telling Remi to take the job with or without the assistants - 'courage to live with your ideas' sounds like it implies 'courage to do it alone', to me.
As for the Managers' Union guff, I'm not exactly sure how Lambert wasn't given 'enough time', but he has to say all that - he can hardly say 'yeah, not surprised they sacked that fucking chancer, amirite?', can he?
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Just browsing a couple of online articles at work. Jamie Redknapp calls Garde an uninspiring choice (meaning he's probably never heard of him), then says "you can't tell me there aren't English managers available with better credentials". Yes I can Jamie. It's also typical apparently that we're looking abroad for a manager (yes Jamie, all of our recent managers were foreign weren't they).
THEN, elsewhere we have Wenger telling us that we didn't give Lambert enough time!!
Alan Brazil (yeah I know) can't understand why we'd look abroad when Nigel Pearson is available.
I need to stop reading this drivel before I start head butting walls.
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Just browsing a couple of online articles at work. Jamie Redknapp calls Garde an uninspiring choice (meaning he's probably never heard of him), then says "you can't tell me there aren't English managers available with better credentials". Yes I can Jamie. It's also typical apparently that we're looking abroad for a manager (yes Jamie, all of our recent managers were foreign weren't they).
THEN, elsewhere we have Wenger telling us that we didn't give Lambert enough time!!
Alan Brazil (yeah I know) can't understand why we'd look abroad when Nigel Pearson is available.
I need to stop reading this drivel before I start head butting walls.
Who did Young Redknapp site as having better credentials. Not equal or similar. Who is specifically English, available and has better credentials?
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Jamie is one of the worst pundits on tv...useless. What has being English got to do with it???
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We didn't give Lambert enough time? Fuck me I've heard it all now
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I really feel like punching someone* repeatedly in the face reading that.
*Alan Brazil.
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Just browsing a couple of online articles at work. Jamie Redknapp calls Garde an uninspiring choice (meaning he's probably never heard of him), then says "you can't tell me there aren't English managers available with better credentials". Yes I can Jamie. It's also typical apparently that we're looking abroad for a manager (yes Jamie, all of our recent managers were foreign weren't they).
THEN, elsewhere we have Wenger telling us that we didn't give Lambert enough time!!
Alan Brazil (yeah I know) can't understand why we'd look abroad when Nigel Pearson is available.
I need to stop reading this drivel before I start head butting walls.
You've answered your own question Marlon - don't listen to, or read it. I know that shouldn't have to be the answer but I haven't listened to any punditry on football for god knows how long. It's full of not very bright people like Brazil, Redknapp (x2), Quinn, Cascarino et al. The list is endless. I have no doubt some of them are quite nice chaps out of 'work' in a kind of 'one of the lads, old school' way but they are severely lacking in the brain cells department and compound that by thinking of Aston Villa as an irrelevance somewhere in the middle of the country. To them, QPR or Crystal Palace are more important which says it all. It isn't entirely true of the media as a whole. To give him his due, Adrian Durham was talking up just what a big club we are and one of the most successful clubs ever on Talkshite last night!
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Who did Young Redknapp site as having better credentials. Not equal or similar. Who is specifically English, available and has better credentials?
I imagine that Jamie would have a very specific father manager in mind.
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Anyone else sick of other teams' managers, who despite our recent setbacks still ply their trade in the same league as us, dishing out opinions and 'advice' on our situation? Why on earth should we be taking advice off people who have a vested interest in our failure?
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Just browsing a couple of online articles at work. Jamie Redknapp calls Garde an uninspiring choice (meaning he's probably never heard of him), then says "you can't tell me there aren't English managers available with better credentials". Yes I can Jamie. It's also typical apparently that we're looking abroad for a manager (yes Jamie, all of our recent managers were foreign weren't they).
THEN, elsewhere we have Wenger telling us that we didn't give Lambert enough time!!
Alan Brazil (yeah I know) can't understand why we'd look abroad when Nigel Pearson is available.
I need to stop reading this drivel before I start head butting walls.
You've answered your own question Marlon - don't listen to, or read it. I know that shouldn't have to be the answer but I haven't listened to any punditry on football for god knows how long. It's full of not very bright people like Brazil, Redknapp (x2), Quinn, Cascarino et al. The list is endless. I have no doubt some of them are quite nice chaps out of 'work' in a kind of 'one of the lads, old school' way but they are severely lacking in the brain cells department and compound that by thinking of Aston Villa as an irrelevance somewhere in the middle of the country. To them, QPR or Crystal Palace are more important which says it all. It isn't entirely true of the media as a whole. To give him his due, Adrian Durham was talking up just what a big club we are and one of the most successful clubs ever on Talkshite last night!
Whoops, hang on, I said I don't listen to any football punditry! Doh...well, it was on when I got in the car and put the radio on....before I turned over to R4!
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Just browsing a couple of online articles at work. Jamie Redknapp calls Garde an uninspiring choice (meaning he's probably never heard of him), then says "you can't tell me there aren't English managers available with better credentials". Yes I can Jamie. It's also typical apparently that we're looking abroad for a manager (yes Jamie, all of our recent managers were foreign weren't they).
THEN, elsewhere we have Wenger telling us that we didn't give Lambert enough time!!
Alan Brazil (yeah I know) can't understand why we'd look abroad when Nigel Pearson is available.
I need to stop reading this drivel before I start head butting walls.
Who did Young Redknapp site as having better credentials. Not equal or similar. Who is specifically English, available and has better credentials?
Incidentally how many of your former clubs have English managers Jamie? That's right none of them.
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Jamie is one of the worst pundits on tv...useless. What has being English got to do with it???
I think he possibly struggles as English clearly isn't his first language.
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Jamie is one of the worst pundits on tv...useless. What has being English got to do with it???
I think he possibly struggles as English clearly isn't his first language.
He is literally an idiot.
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Just browsing a couple of online articles at work. Jamie Redknapp calls Garde an uninspiring choice (meaning he's probably never heard of him), then says "you can't tell me there aren't English managers available with better credentials". Yes I can Jamie. It's also typical apparently that we're looking abroad for a manager (yes Jamie, all of our recent managers were foreign weren't they).
THEN, elsewhere we have Wenger telling us that we didn't give Lambert enough time!!
Alan Brazil (yeah I know) can't understand why we'd look abroad when Nigel Pearson is available.
I need to stop reading this drivel before I start head butting walls.
You've answered your own question Marlon - don't listen to, or read it. I know that shouldn't have to be the answer but I haven't listened to any punditry on football for god knows how long. It's full of not very bright people like Brazil, Redknapp (x2), Quinn, Cascarino et al. The list is endless. I have no doubt some of them are quite nice chaps out of 'work' in a kind of 'one of the lads, old school' way but they are severely lacking in the brain cells department and compound that by thinking of Aston Villa as an irrelevance somewhere in the middle of the country. To them, QPR or Crystal Palace are more important which says it all. It isn't entirely true of the media as a whole. To give him his due, Adrian Durham was talking up just what a big club we are and one of the most successful clubs ever on Talkshite last night!
Whoops, hang on, I said I don't listen to any football punditry! Doh...well, it was on when I got in the car and put the radio on....before I turned over to R4!
I listened to that radio 4 once,
they never said anything about the Villa, wankers
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Wenger has his say:
I am convinced he is a frontrunner.
He has some problems to sort out with his assistants who work with Lyon. I believe it is a challenge he should take. Advice? You know our job is about personality and having the courage to live with your ideas.
Honestly I have a lot of respect for all the managers at Villa. I believe Sherwood was not given time. [Paul] Lambert was not given time - I don't know why.
Remi is an intelligent man who is now experienced. He will try to get his ideas across and hopefully he can work. They have five or six French players who have not all had an impact.
So, he appears to be telling Remi to take the job with or without the assistants - 'courage to live with your ideas' sounds like it implies 'courage to do it alone', to me.
As for the Managers' Union guff, I'm not exactly sure how Lambert wasn't given 'enough time', but he has to say all that - he can hardly say 'yeah, not surprised they sacked that fucking chancer, amirite?', can he?
This is coming from the man who is sitting on a pile of money so large he could actually have Arsenal competing financially with the very biggest clubs in Europe, so you'd never expect him to say anything other than "more time please". He's one eyed but not a total hypocrite.
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Just browsing a couple of online articles at work. Jamie Redknapp calls Garde an uninspiring choice (meaning he's probably never heard of him), then says "you can't tell me there aren't English managers available with better credentials". Yes I can Jamie. It's also typical apparently that we're looking abroad for a manager (yes Jamie, all of our recent managers were foreign weren't they).
THEN, elsewhere we have Wenger telling us that we didn't give Lambert enough time!!
Alan Brazil (yeah I know) can't understand why we'd look abroad when Nigel Pearson is available.
I need to stop reading this drivel before I start head butting walls.
You've answered your own question Marlon - don't listen to, or read it. I know that shouldn't have to be the answer but I haven't listened to any punditry on football for god knows how long. It's full of not very bright people like Brazil, Redknapp (x2), Quinn, Cascarino et al. The list is endless. I have no doubt some of them are quite nice chaps out of 'work' in a kind of 'one of the lads, old school' way but they are severely lacking in the brain cells department and compound that by thinking of Aston Villa as an irrelevance somewhere in the middle of the country. To them, QPR or Crystal Palace are more important which says it all. It isn't entirely true of the media as a whole. To give him his due, Adrian Durham was talking up just what a big club we are and one of the most successful clubs ever on Talkshite last night!
Adrian Durham is the worst, because he hides the fact that he actually has some knowledgeable things to say about football behind the moronic veneer of his radio programme in the evening.
The Durham that you might here on TalkShite on a Saturday sounds like a completely different person.
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Wenger has his say:
I am convinced he is a frontrunner.
He has some problems to sort out with his assistants who work with Lyon. I believe it is a challenge he should take. Advice? You know our job is about personality and having the courage to live with your ideas.
Honestly I have a lot of respect for all the managers at Villa. I believe Sherwood was not given time. [Paul] Lambert was not given time - I don't know why.
Remi is an intelligent man who is now experienced. He will try to get his ideas across and hopefully he can work. They have five or six French players who have not all had an impact.
So, he appears to be telling Remi to take the job with or without the assistants - 'courage to live with your ideas' sounds like it implies 'courage to do it alone', to me.
As for the Managers' Union guff, I'm not exactly sure how Lambert wasn't given 'enough time', but he has to say all that - he can hardly say 'yeah, not surprised they sacked that fucking chancer, amirite?', can he?
See similar comments from Ronald Koeman the other night though I'm sure he was probably genuinely sorry not to pit his wits against a Tim Sherwood side again.
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Just browsing a couple of online articles at work. Jamie Redknapp calls Garde an uninspiring choice (meaning he's probably never heard of him), then says "you can't tell me there aren't English managers available with better credentials". Yes I can Jamie. It's also typical apparently that we're looking abroad for a manager (yes Jamie, all of our recent managers were foreign weren't they).
THEN, elsewhere we have Wenger telling us that we didn't give Lambert enough time!!
Alan Brazil (yeah I know) can't understand why we'd look abroad when Nigel Pearson is available.
I need to stop reading this drivel before I start head butting walls.
Who did Young Redknapp site as having better credentials. Not equal or similar. Who is specifically English, available and has better credentials?
Incidentally how many of your former clubs have English managers Jamie? That's right none of them.
Bournemouth?
Sorry.
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Jamie is one of the worst pundits on tv...useless. What has being English got to do with it???
I think he possibly struggles as English clearly isn't his first language.
He is literally an idiot.
He is literally a fucking idiot, and a prize bell end too.
I can't imagine pops being too keen on coming to the Villa after the remarks we made about not dropping the soap in the showers when he goes to prison a few years back.
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Galtier much closer in the betting than he had been. 2/1 on some now. Garde 4/5 on some so the gap has closed. Anyone knowing about Galtier?
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Jamie is one of the worst pundits on tv...useless. What has being English got to do with it???
He literally uses the word literally all the time.
I think he possibly struggles as English clearly isn't his first language.
He is literally an idiot.
He is literally a fucking idiot, and a prize bell end too.
I can't imagine pops being to keen on coming to the Villa after the remarks we made about not dropping the soap in the showers when he goes to prison a few years back.
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Someone's just put a tenner on Galtier. He's 2/1 at bet365 now.
Garde out at 4/6 from 4/7.
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Galtier much closer in the betting than he had been. 2/1 on some now. Garde 4/5 on some so the gap has closed. Anyone knowing about Galtier?
Sexy perfume bottle
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Definitely at least once - a penalty on the first day of the season, '95.
Cheers. I think you misread the question though
Ha, I clearly did, yes. Early shifts, two small children, brain scrambled.
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Just browsing a couple of online articles at work. Jamie Redknapp calls Garde an uninspiring choice (meaning he's probably never heard of him), then says "you can't tell me there aren't English managers available with better credentials". Yes I can Jamie. It's also typical apparently that we're looking abroad for a manager (yes Jamie, all of our recent managers were foreign weren't they).
THEN, elsewhere we have Wenger telling us that we didn't give Lambert enough time!!
Alan Brazil (yeah I know) can't understand why we'd look abroad when Nigel Pearson is available.
I need to stop reading this drivel before I start head butting walls.
You've answered your own question Marlon - don't listen to, or read it. I know that shouldn't have to be the answer but I haven't listened to any punditry on football for god knows how long. It's full of not very bright people like Brazil, Redknapp (x2), Quinn, Cascarino et al. The list is endless. I have no doubt some of them are quite nice chaps out of 'work' in a kind of 'one of the lads, old school' way but they are severely lacking in the brain cells department and compound that by thinking of Aston Villa as an irrelevance somewhere in the middle of the country. To them, QPR or Crystal Palace are more important which says it all. It isn't entirely true of the media as a whole. To give him his due, Adrian Durham was talking up just what a big club we are and one of the most successful clubs ever on Talkshite last night!
Adrian Durham is the worst, because he hides the fact that he actually has some knowledgeable things to say about football behind the moronic veneer of his radio programme in the evening.
The Durham that you might here on TalkShite on a Saturday sounds like a completely different person.
Totally agree on that
Caught some of his weekday show the other day and it was awful. Darren Gough is surely the stupidest person ever to be on radio. He's just mindblowingly thick. Listening to him massacre the English language is horrible. He can't even get the basics right, he struggles with the simplest thing. He's a broadcaster, FFS.
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Jamie is one of the worst pundits on tv...useless. What has being English got to do with it???
I think he possibly struggles as English clearly isn't his first language.
He is literally an idiot.
He is literally a fucking idiot, and a prize bell end too.
I can't imagine pops being too keen on coming to the Villa after the remarks we made about not dropping the soap in the showers when he goes to prison a few years back.
He'd never heard such filth in his entire life I recall. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU0raWjoppg)
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Gough is an utter fuckwit.
Like him as a cricketer mind.
I like Durham as someone said previously he is a football fan who is a capable broadcaster when covering Saturday afternoons, and is one of the few (non ex players) who sticks up for Villa
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It's Garde, I know it
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I remember Jamie Redknapp on Sky Sports covering an England game about a decade ago - the Golden Generation including his cousin.
He said (probably slightly paraphrased
'...I really am sick of people saying these England players don't care. Well tonight these players will show them just how much they don't care.'
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Jamie is one of the worst pundits on tv...useless. What has being English got to do with it???
I think he possibly struggles as English clearly isn't his first language.
He is literally an idiot.
He is literally a fucking idiot, and a prize bell end too.
I can't imagine pops being too keen on coming to the Villa after the remarks we made about not dropping the soap in the showers when he goes to prison a few years back.
He'd never heard such filth in his entire life I recall. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU0raWjoppg)
Fakkin 'ell, how rude. The borderline criminal, baggy faced ******.
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Definitely at least once - a penalty on the first day of the season, '95.
Cheers. I think you misread the question though
Ha, I clearly did, yes. Early shifts, two small children, brain scrambled.
Snap. Been on 5 til 1 today. Worked 25 days out of the last 26.
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It actually needs someone to turn around and say actually he did deserve to be sacked for these reasons. We're being made out to be the bad guys in this
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Turn the tables.
If we had employed a foreign manager, who had 6 months experience before joining us, he then went on a horrendous run of 9 defeats in 11 or whatever the silly stat is at the moment. The press would be absolutely hounding us about the appointment and saying it was a stupid gamble.
Just because he is English and played for Spurs doesn't make him any more likely to be tactically competent. Seems like there's a groundswell of little Englander emotions at the moment everywhere.
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couldn't agree more, just loads of half-arsed jingoistic bollocks from people who make a mid December day look really dim
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Just browsing a couple of online articles at work. Jamie Redknapp calls Garde an uninspiring choice (meaning he's probably never heard of him), then says "you can't tell me there aren't English managers available with better credentials". Yes I can Jamie. It's also typical apparently that we're looking abroad for a manager (yes Jamie, all of our recent managers were foreign weren't they).
THEN, elsewhere we have Wenger telling us that we didn't give Lambert enough time!!
Alan Brazil (yeah I know) can't understand why we'd look abroad when Nigel Pearson is available.
I need to stop reading this drivel before I start head butting walls.
Who did Young Redknapp site as having better credentials. Not equal or similar. Who is specifically English, available and has better credentials?
Incidentally how many of your former clubs have English managers Jamie? That's right none of them.
Bournemouth?
Sorry.
Oops forget he played for them, but I think the base point still remains.
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Turn the tables.
If we had employed a foreign manager, who had 6 months experience before joining us, he then went on a horrendous run of 9 defeats in 11 or whatever the silly stat is at the moment. The press would be absolutely hounding us about the appointment and saying it was a stupid gamble.
Just because he is English and played for Spurs doesn't make him any more likely to be tactically competent. Seems like there's a groundswell of little Englander emotions at the moment everywhere.
Bang on. Don't remember an outpouring of sympathy or pleas for more time for di Canio or Poyet when Sunderland binned them off on the back of a long run of poor results.
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Anyone else sick of other teams' managers, who despite our recent setbacks still ply their trade in the same league as us, dishing out opinions and 'advice' on our situation? Why on earth should we be taking advice off people who have a vested interest in our failure?
I don't think they are giving us advice, it's just the tedious way the papers spin it.
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Just browsing a couple of online articles at work. Jamie Redknapp calls Garde an uninspiring choice (meaning he's probably never heard of him), then says "you can't tell me there aren't English managers available with better credentials". Yes I can Jamie. It's also typical apparently that we're looking abroad for a manager (yes Jamie, all of our recent managers were foreign weren't they).
THEN, elsewhere we have Wenger telling us that we didn't give Lambert enough time!!
Alan Brazil (yeah I know) can't understand why we'd look abroad when Nigel Pearson is available.
I need to stop reading this drivel before I start head butting walls.
You've answered your own question Marlon - don't listen to, or read it. I know that shouldn't have to be the answer but I haven't listened to any punditry on football for god knows how long. It's full of not very bright people like Brazil, Redknapp (x2), Quinn, Cascarino et al. The list is endless. I have no doubt some of them are quite nice chaps out of 'work' in a kind of 'one of the lads, old school' way but they are severely lacking in the brain cells department and compound that by thinking of Aston Villa as an irrelevance somewhere in the middle of the country. To them, QPR or Crystal Palace are more important which says it all. It isn't entirely true of the media as a whole. To give him his due, Adrian Durham was talking up just what a big club we are and one of the most successful clubs ever on Talkshite last night!
Adrian Durham is the worst, because he hides the fact that he actually has some knowledgeable things to say about football behind the moronic veneer of his radio programme in the evening.
The Durham that you might here on TalkShite on a Saturday sounds like a completely different person.
Totally agree on that
Caught some of his weekday show the other day and it was awful. Darren Gough is surely the stupidest person ever to be on radio. He's just mindblowingly thick. Listening to him massacre the English language is horrible. He can't even get the basics right, he struggles with the simplest thing. He's a broadcaster, FFS.
"The Daily Arsenal". Why? And who on earth gives a f#ck?
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Sadly there does seem to be this "Little Englander" attitude surround Remi Garde. "I don't know much about him, so he's obvious rubbish".
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I do hope he gets it and ends up saving us tge getting us into mid table. 36 points from 26 ish games will be bloody hard though. Basically going to need about 10 wins which is an upturn in form i just can't see.
It might just b shut some of the but he is French brigade up a bit.
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Me either, I think the writings on the wall this season. To compound all the mistakes we've made the last 5 years the final one that puts the nail in the coffin is replacing Benteke with Gestede.
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I do hope he gets it and ends up saving us tge getting us into mid table. 36 points from 26 ish games will be bloody hard though. Basically going to need about 10 wins which is an upturn in form i just can't see.
It might just b shut some of the but he is French brigade up a bit.
Unfortunately you'll never shut that sort up.
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Just browsing a couple of online articles at work. Jamie Redknapp calls Garde an uninspiring choice (meaning he's probably never heard of him), then says "you can't tell me there aren't English managers available with better credentials". Yes I can Jamie. It's also typical apparently that we're looking abroad for a manager (yes Jamie, all of our recent managers were foreign weren't they).
THEN, elsewhere we have Wenger telling us that we didn't give Lambert enough time!!
Alan Brazil (yeah I know) can't understand why we'd look abroad when Nigel Pearson is available.
I need to stop reading this drivel before I start head butting walls.
You've answered your own question Marlon - don't listen to, or read it. I know that shouldn't have to be the answer but I haven't listened to any punditry on football for god knows how long. It's full of not very bright people like Brazil, Redknapp (x2), Quinn, Cascarino et al. The list is endless. I have no doubt some of them are quite nice chaps out of 'work' in a kind of 'one of the lads, old school' way but they are severely lacking in the brain cells department and compound that by thinking of Aston Villa as an irrelevance somewhere in the middle of the country. To them, QPR or Crystal Palace are more important which says it all. It isn't entirely true of the media as a whole. To give him his due, Adrian Durham was talking up just what a big club we are and one of the most successful clubs ever on Talkshite last night!
Adrian Durham is the worst, because he hides the fact that he actually has some knowledgeable things to say about football behind the moronic veneer of his radio programme in the evening.
The Durham that you might here on TalkShite on a Saturday sounds like a completely different person.
Totally agree on that
Caught some of his weekday show the other day and it was awful. Darren Gough is surely the stupidest person ever to be on radio. He's just mindblowingly thick. Listening to him massacre the English language is horrible. He can't even get the basics right, he struggles with the simplest thing. He's a broadcaster, FFS.
"The Daily Arsenal". Why? And who on earth gives a f#ck?
In his favour, he's the only non-Villa fan I've ever heard suggest our European Cup win was the greatest of any English side. Which of course it was.
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A win and a draw and we are out he bottom three. I am not sure I buy into this needing a miracle business, specially when we have Bournemouth, Newcastle, Sunderland and Norwich et al to play.
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@patmurphybbc: Kevin MacD reckons Garde will get to @AVFCOfficial eventually,along with his preferred backroom staff....because money talks in football
Good news!
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Anyone who can lead us to the promised land of 17th place will get my unqualified backing.
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It actually needs someone to turn around and say actually he did deserve to be sacked for these reasons. We're being made out to be the bad guys in this
Pftuh you and many of us just don't get it. What's harm in a provincial club getting relegated and disappearing into the ether if it means a Press luvvie and good mate of ex-footballer pundits picks up a bit of experience and a few millions pounds to boot?
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Sadly there does seem to be this "Little Englander" attitude surround Remi Garde. "I don't know much about him, so he's obvious rubbish".
Maybe from some quarters, but I'm happy to admit I'm concerned about this chaps credentials, especially as he absolutely needs to hit the ground running. I'm not sure that being 'foreign' to the PL is an issue in this regard, but I'd prefer somebody who has been here and done it (Moyes for example). People having doubts about a relatively new manager isnt' really surprising given our recent luck with our managers.
If he (or whoever else) gets off to a shaly start, we will really, really struggle to stay in the premier league.
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Interesting quote from our captain on the Grauniad website today, in an article about the prbolem of releasing the two assistants from Lyon
Richards told Sky Sports News: “The manager who comes in needs to be able to get us going straight away. We haven’t got any time to settle in or blend in. We need to get going from the start. Whoever it is, whether it is Garde, let’s hope they can do that. If they speak French obviously it is going to be easier for them [the French players] to understand how they want to play. Let’s hope he speaks just as good English as French because we’re in England. When I went to Fiorentina I had to learn Italian and I had to try to adapt.”
I wonder whether his comment about the French players was a veiled criticism of our francophile squad members.
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A win and a draw and we are out he bottom three. I am not sure I buy into this needing a miracle business, specially when we have Bournemouth, Newcastle, Sunderland and Norwich et al to play.
Yes however if we are still in the bottom 3 by the time we play them we may need a win win draw draw!
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Interesting quote from our captain on the Grauniad website today, in an article about the prbolem of releasing the two assistants from Lyon
Richards told Sky Sports News: “The manager who comes in needs to be able to get us going straight away. We haven’t got any time to settle in or blend in. We need to get going from the start. Whoever it is, whether it is Garde, let’s hope they can do that. If they speak French obviously it is going to be easier for them [the French players] to understand how they want to play. Let’s hope he speaks just as good English as French because we’re in England. When I went to Fiorentina I had to learn Italian and I had to try to adapt.”
I wonder whether his comment about the French players was a veiled criticism of our francophile squad members.
It seems fair enough to me
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Someone's just put a tenner on Galtier. He's 2/1 at bet365 now.
Garde out at 4/6 from 4/7.
You're not far wrong. I could put a tenner on me being the next manager in the Betfair exchange market and miraculously appear in the top ten favourites.
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Sadly there does seem to be this "Little Englander" attitude surround Remi Garde. "I don't know much about him, so he's obvious rubbish".
Maybe from some quarters, but I'm happy to admit I'm concerned about this chaps credentials, especially as he absolutely needs to hit the ground running. I'm not sure that being 'foreign' to the PL is an issue in this regard, but I'd prefer somebody who has been here and done it (Moyes for example). People having doubts about a relatively new manager isnt' really surprising given our recent luck with our managers.
Or, for the sake of argument let's take Moyes out of the equation. He's in a job and (not that it means a great deal) says that he is staying there. Who is your second choice? Third choice? It's not a long list of managers who are experienced in the Premier League, unqualified successes and out of work (or willing to leave a current job) to join a side bottom of the league.
Bringing Moyes back into the equation - as Moyes is famous for starting extremely slowly and only picking things up later in the season, why is he any more likely to 'hit the ground running' than anybody else; as he has never really done that before?
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Sadly there does seem to be this "Little Englander" attitude surround Remi Garde. "I don't know much about him, so he's obvious rubbish".
Maybe from some quarters, but I'm happy to admit I'm concerned about this chaps credentials, especially as he absolutely needs to hit the ground running. I'm not sure that being 'foreign' to the PL is an issue in this regard, but I'd prefer somebody who has been here and done it (Moyes for example). People having doubts about a relatively new manager isnt' really surprising given our recent luck with our managers.
Or, for the sake of argument let's take Moyes out of the equation. He's in a job and (not that it means a great deal) says that he is staying there. Who is your second choice? Third choice? It's not a long list of managers who are experienced in the Premier League, unqualified successes and out of work (or willing to leave a current job) to join a side bottom of the league.
Bringing Moyes back into the equation - as Moyes is famous for starting extremely slowly and only picking things up later in the season, why is he any more likely to 'hit the ground running' than anybody else; as he has never really done that before?
It's a fair challenge, Dave. I was just saying that wanting experience doesn't make somebody a "Little-Englander".
I would hope that Moyes and Rodgers have been approached. I would hope that they have steared WELL clear of Pearson. All with experience, only 2 I'd like to see in our dugout. For a change, we are managerles at a time when 2 coaches I like (and you conceivably imaine might take the Villa job on) are available.
There seems to be a groundswell on here for Garde, but the fact he's an unknown quanity makes me nervous, rather than excited.
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Kevin MacDonald confirming that Remi Garde is in line for the job:
"He's got a good pedigree as a coach and obviously the hierarchy think he's the man for the job."
http://www.suttoncoldfieldobserver.co.uk/Aston-Villa-Remi-Garde-White-Hart-Lane-admits/story-28084874-detail/story.html
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Premier League footballers have had it easy for the last 15-20 years. Everything is laid on a plate for them. For them to finish football and get stuck in to learning the trade of a manager is too time consuming and difficult. As this would mean starting at the bottom, the money would be peanuts compared with what they can pick up as a pundit.
Most British youngish managers around now had playing careers further down the league. Even for them it is a big step to move to a big club.
The above is why I think we should be looking for a foreign manager that has the experience of regular Champions League football and top domestic league football.
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This outpouring of grief from the massed ranks of pundit land, and this all consuming desire that we simply must appoint a British manager (Alan McInally the other night was indignant at the idea that Garde might take over, "Can't be French! Just can't be!") does seem a bit strange. I mean, it's not as if they kick up too much of a fuss about the lack of English/British players in the Prem, and particularly scarce in the leading sides. And anytime the idea of a quota gets a periodic mention, they all seem to howl in mock disgust, because there's no way that giving them a chance to actually play the game would improve English players (apparently). So why all the fuss about bringing in a foreign manager?
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Is it the fact he's foreign? Or inexperienced?
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The UN went down the foreign route a few years back and look how irrelevant it is nowadays. What we need is a system of alliances, treaties and gunboat democracy. All headed up by John Sillet and Arthur Cox.
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Kevin MacDonald confirming that Remi Garde is in line for the job:
"He's got a good pedigree as a coach and obviously the hierarchy think he's the man for the job."
http://www.suttoncoldfieldobserver.co.uk/Aston-Villa-Remi-Garde-White-Hart-Lane-admits/story-28084874-detail/story.html
Well he sounds pretty sure.
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Kevin MacDonald confirming that Remi Garde is in line for the job:
"He's got a good pedigree as a coach and obviously the hierarchy think he's the man for the job."
http://www.suttoncoldfieldobserver.co.uk/Aston-Villa-Remi-Garde-White-Hart-Lane-admits/story-28084874-detail/story.html
Well he sounds pretty sure.
i'd say so!
OK, well he will have my best wishes in what will be an incrediably tough job.
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Is it the fact he's foreign? Or inexperienced?
I think it's more the foreign thing that is worrying people more than the experience - if we announced that we were hiring Francesco Guidolin or some other foreign type who has been managing consistently since the 1980s then they would still be saying that we should be hiring Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
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Is it the fact he's foreign? Or inexperienced?
I think it's more the foreign thing that is worrying people more than the experience - if we announced that we were hiring Francesco Guidolin or some other foreign type who has been managing consistently since the 1980s then they would still be saying that we should be hiring Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
Some would, I agree.
Anyway, Garde sounds a done deal so let's hope he's the man to make watching Villa enjoyable again.
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Well, it can't be because he's inexperienced, since Sherwood should never have been sacked in the first place according to absolutely everyone who's ever played the game at the 'highest' level, and a few others are seriously suggesting we consider Dwight Yorke, so I think it's because he's foreign more than anything. I don't wish to see British managers become an irrelevance in our game (but if they will insist on being a bunch of thickos, well...), I just don't get why its such a big deal compared to the lack of British players at our top clubs, which seemingly isn't a problem.
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Is it the fact he's foreign? Or inexperienced?
I think it's more the foreign thing that is worrying people more than the experience - if we announced that we were hiring Francesco Guidolin or some other foreign type who has been managing consistently since the 1980s then they would still be saying that we should be hiring Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
In the last 20 years, other than Roy Hodgson has there been other British coaches who have managed successfully in the 'Big' Leagues
I know McLaren did well in Holland but not so in Germany. Anyone else?
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Kevin MacDonald confirming that Remi Garde is in line for the job:
"He's got a good pedigree as a coach and obviously the hierarchy think he's the man for the job."
http://www.suttoncoldfieldobserver.co.uk/Aston-Villa-Remi-Garde-White-Hart-Lane-admits/story-28084874-detail/story.html
Well he sounds pretty sure.
i'd say so!
OK, well he will have my best wishes in what will be an incrediably tough job.
Nice to see K.Mac giving exclusives to the Sutton Observer !!
Bollocks to Sky and the nationals !!! :-)
I trust he hasn't spoken out of turn ?
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Is it the fact he's foreign? Or inexperienced?
I think it's more the foreign thing that is worrying people more than the experience - if we announced that we were hiring Francesco Guidolin or some other foreign type who has been managing consistently since the 1980s then they would still be saying that we should be hiring Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
In the last 20 years, other than Roy Hodgson has there been other British coaches who have managed successfully in the 'Big' Leagues
I know McLaren did well in Holland but not so in Germany. Anyone else?
Is Eck still at Genk?
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Is it the fact he's foreign? Or inexperienced?
I think it's more the foreign thing that is worrying people more than the experience - if we announced that we were hiring Francesco Guidolin or some other foreign type who has been managing consistently since the 1980s then they would still be saying that we should be hiring Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
In the last 20 years, other than Roy Hodgson has there been other British coaches who have managed successfully in the 'Big' Leagues
I know McLaren did well in Holland but not so in Germany. Anyone else?
Bobby Robson ?
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Is it the fact he's foreign? Or inexperienced?
I think it's more the foreign thing that is worrying people more than the experience - if we announced that we were hiring Francesco Guidolin or some other foreign type who has been managing consistently since the 1980s then they would still be saying that we should be hiring Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
I agree completely. As an aside there's two reasons I want us to hire Garde. Firstly I want someone with fresh ideas who can potentially get us playing good football, which in turn will move us up the table. Secondly it would be funny to see all the idiotic football pundits and writers back tracking.
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Just browsing a couple of online articles at work. Jamie Redknapp calls Garde an uninspiring choice (meaning he's probably never heard of him), then says "you can't tell me there aren't English managers available with better credentials". Yes I can Jamie. It's also typical apparently that we're looking abroad for a manager (yes Jamie, all of our recent managers were foreign weren't they).
THEN, elsewhere we have Wenger telling us that we didn't give Lambert enough time!!
Alan Brazil (yeah I know) can't understand why we'd look abroad when Nigel Pearson is available.
I need to stop reading this drivel before I start head butting walls.
You've answered your own question Marlon - don't listen to, or read it. I know that shouldn't have to be the answer but I haven't listened to any punditry on football for god knows how long. It's full of not very bright people like Brazil, Redknapp (x2), Quinn, Cascarino et al. The list is endless. I have no doubt some of them are quite nice chaps out of 'work' in a kind of 'one of the lads, old school' way but they are severely lacking in the brain cells department and compound that by thinking of Aston Villa as an irrelevance somewhere in the middle of the country. To them, QPR or Crystal Palace are more important which says it all. It isn't entirely true of the media as a whole. To give him his due, Adrian Durham was talking up just what a big club we are and one of the most successful clubs ever on Talkshite last night!
Adrian Durham is the worst, because he hides the fact that he actually has some knowledgeable things to say about football behind the moronic veneer of his radio programme in the evening.
The Durham that you might here on TalkShite on a Saturday sounds like a completely different person.
Totally agree on that
Caught some of his weekday show the other day and it was awful. Darren Gough is surely the stupidest person ever to be on radio. He's just mindblowingly thick. Listening to him massacre the English language is horrible. He can't even get the basics right, he struggles with the simplest thing. He's a broadcaster, FFS.
"The Daily Arsenal". Why? And who on earth gives a f#ck?
In his favour, he's the only non-Villa fan I've ever heard suggest our European Cup win was the greatest of any English side. Which of course it was.
I think we all know why your sticking up for him ginge
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Kevin MacDonald confirming that Remi Garde is in line for the job:
"He's got a good pedigree as a coach and obviously the hierarchy think he's the man for the job."
http://www.suttoncoldfieldobserver.co.uk/Aston-Villa-Remi-Garde-White-Hart-Lane-admits/story-28084874-detail/story.html
Well he sounds pretty sure.
i'd say so!
OK, well he will have my best wishes in what will be an incrediably tough job.
Nice to see K.Mac giving exclusives to the Sutton Observer !!
Bollocks to Sky and the nationals !!! :-)
I trust he hasn't spoken out of turn ?
Encouraging to hear that from Kmac, he's unlikely to break ranks if he doesn't have some inside info.
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Is it the fact he's foreign? Or inexperienced?
I think it's more the foreign thing that is worrying people more than the experience - if we announced that we were hiring Francesco Guidolin or some other foreign type who has been managing consistently since the 1980s then they would still be saying that we should be hiring Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
In the last 20 years, other than Roy Hodgson has there been other British coaches who have managed successfully in the 'Big' Leagues
I know McLaren did well in Holland but not so in Germany. Anyone else?
Is Eck still at Genk?
Nope
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Is it the fact he's foreign? Or inexperienced?
I think it's more the foreign thing that is worrying people more than the experience - if we announced that we were hiring Francesco Guidolin or some other foreign type who has been managing consistently since the 1980s then they would still be saying that we should be hiring Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
In the last 20 years, other than Roy Hodgson has there been other British coaches who have managed successfully in the 'Big' Leagues
I know McLaren did well in Holland but not so in Germany. Anyone else?
Bobby Robson ?
John Toshack.
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I'm torn on this, because -on the one hand- any coach worthy of the name should be able to bring a bit of organisation and nous to the set-up, regardless of where he is from.
On the other: Our record with French players and a previous French manager is not so hot. That's not anti French, history bares it out.
There were two concerns I had when we went about our summer business, one was that the type of players we opted for were largely the sort you would add to an already solid core. The other concern was that by targeting that many players from France, there was a danger of cliques developing.
Individually, they all made sense from a business perspective. But it's fitting that into the wider collective.
Maybe Garde is the man to do this, and his English shouldn't be a problem after spending so long at Arsenal. But I'd be wary of pandering to any group of individual players.
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I'm torn on this, because -on the one hand- any coach worthy of the name should be able to bring a bit of organisation and nous to the set-up, regardless of where he is from.
On the other: Our record with French players and a previous French manager is not so hot. That's not anti French, history bares it out.
There were two concerns I had when we went about our summer business, one was that the type of players we opted for were largely the sort you would add to an already solid core. The other concern was that by targeting that many players from France, there was a danger of cliques developing.
Individually, they all made sense from a business perspective. But it's fitting that into the wider collective.
Maybe Garde is the man to do this, and his English shouldn't be a problem after spending so long at Arsenal. But I'd be wary of pandering to any group of individual players.
With regards to the previous French manager, we finished higher than we have in any of the years since. Houllier made some stupid PR mistakes and had a bad period, but he actually came across like he had a plan.
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I'm torn on this, because -on the one hand- any coach worthy of the name should be able to bring a bit of organisation and nous to the set-up, regardless of where he is from.
On the other: Our record with French players and a previous French manager is not so hot. That's not anti French, history bares it out.
Our recent record with British players and managers ain't so hot either.
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BBC Sport: Aston Villa will pay the money to get Remi Garde - MacDonald (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34675257)
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That's kind of a rehash of what we've seen. It'll be in the mail after
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Based on the wisdom of the various ex pros who are pundits we need to choose either Howard Wilkinson or Joe Royle I reckon. They are experienced and are the last two English managers to win the league and FA Cup, they know what they're talking about these guys.
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That's kind of a rehash of what we've seen. It'll be in the mail after
True enough but BBC = gravitas to me. I never believe reports of a celebrity death until it's been confirmed by the BBC.
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Is it the fact he's foreign? Or inexperienced?
I think it's more the foreign thing that is worrying people more than the experience - if we announced that we were hiring Francesco Guidolin or some other foreign type who has been managing consistently since the 1980s then they would still be saying that we should be hiring Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
I agree completely. As an aside there's two reasons I want us to hire Garde. Firstly I want someone with fresh ideas who can potentially get us playing good football, which in turn will move us up the table. Secondly it would be funny to see all the idiotic football pundits and writers back tracking.
Sadly though the idiotic football pundits and writers won't back track and won't be challenged on it. They'll just go blundering on as if they've never said it. They'll shift their opinion but they won't back track.
Lots of surveys and research is done about football and the industry it has created so I'd like a study to be commissioned that looks into the quality of football journalism and punditry. Statistical analysis showing how many of the tabloid assertions and pundit's 'educated' opinions are actually right. A tabloid or pundit league table. But they never get challenged and their wrongness has no impact on their careers.
I'd like to see a study into the cliched arguments that the football media world thrives on. Is there statistical evidence that resting players works for instance? In this Moneyball age I'd have thought the theory would have been properly looked into. But no we just get the same chat trotted out year after year by a bunch of idiots with no interest in really knowing the truth. They have an opinion and they're gonna use it. Opinions generate debate and therefore justify hours and hours of facile phone-ins I suppose. Facts would just spoil the 'fun'.
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I'm torn on this, because -on the one hand- any coach worthy of the name should be able to bring a bit of organisation and nous to the set-up, regardless of where he is from.
On the other: Our record with French players and a previous French manager is not so hot. That's not anti French, history bares it out.
There were two concerns I had when we went about our summer business, one was that the type of players we opted for were largely the sort you would add to an already solid core. The other concern was that by targeting that many players from France, there was a danger of cliques developing.
Individually, they all made sense from a business perspective. But it's fitting that into the wider collective.
Maybe Garde is the man to do this, and his English shouldn't be a problem after spending so long at Arsenal. But I'd be wary of pandering to any group of individual players.
With regards to the previous French manager, we finished higher than we have in any of the years since. Houllier made some stupid PR mistakes and had a bad period, but he actually came across like he had a plan.
Our poor record with French coaches is more down to dicky tickers than bad management as I see it.
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As in every other walk of life the single most important quality anybody can bring to their work is intelligence. Garde comes across has being smart and thoughtful.
The one single fault that is marbled through our record since Randy Lerner took over is stupidity. Everything from Moscowgate to hiring McLeish to the Bomb Squad the bullying to publicly disowning players within a few months of their arrival. The whole sorry litany of our deterioration can be attributed to important decisions being made by people without sufficient intelligence to work out the consequences.
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I'll say one thing for Garde, if we manage to pull this deal off - he must have some serious pulling power. To take not one but two coaches off a team like Lyon is some challenge. Then if you look at the careers of Bruno Génésio and Gérald Baticle and their history with Lyon, they really must believe in him.
Bruno Génésio was born in Lyon, signed for them as a 5 year old, professionally played for them for 11 years and has been a coach there since 2011. Gérald Baticle has also been a coach there since 2011 and signed a new contract in the summer extending to 2019. To throw away all that security not to mention the loyalty to the club to join a foreign club sitting at the bottom of the league is not what you'd expect from either. Maybe the expression 'mad as a box of frogs' has a new definition.
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now now, think of the entente cordiale . Box of frogs for heavens sake!
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Is he actually any good?
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As in every other walk of life the single most important quality anybody can bring to their work is intelligence. Garde comes across has being smart and thoughtful.
The one single fault that is marbled through our record since Randy Lerner took over is stupidity. Everything from Moscowgate to hiring McLeish to the Bomb Squad the bullying to publicly disowning players within a few months of their arrival. The whole sorry litany of our deterioration can be attributed to important decisions being made by people without sufficient intelligence to work out the consequences.
Brian - spot on.
Many see the folly without purpose of such decisions. Within the senior echelons of the club between Steve Stride leaving in 2007 until this summer, there was no person of sufficient football knowledge of the professional game at that level. Witness the recruitment to the most important role at the club in the last decade:
Martin O'Neill
Gerard Houllier (out of semi retirement)
Alex McLeish
Paul Lambert
Tim Sherwood
Remy Garde (assuming it is him though am not against the other front runners)
Now it is totally unfathonable in order to spot any sort of trend or commonality between those recruits, lurching from one type/approach/style to another. Whereas Swansea have had a series of 'progressive' appointments in the same time.
Kenny Jackett
Roberto Martinez
Paulo Sousa
Brendan Rodgers
Michael Laudrup
Gary Monk
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Is it the fact he's foreign? Or inexperienced?
I think it's more the foreign thing that is worrying people more than the experience - if we announced that we were hiring Francesco Guidolin or some other foreign type who has been managing consistently since the 1980s then they would still be saying that we should be hiring Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
In the last 20 years, other than Roy Hodgson has there been other British coaches who have managed successfully in the 'Big' Leagues
I know McLaren did well in Holland but not so in Germany. Anyone else?
Is Eck still at Genk?
Would it surprise you to hear they conceded the least goals but drew the 3rd most games and only finished 7th?
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now now, think of the entente cordiale . Box of frogs for heavens sake!
You're right. Apologies but I've just come in having had to side step thousands of them hogging the pavement with their street maps whilst looking for street names. Bloody tourists! In the spirit of the Entente Cordiale I'm adopting the characteristics of a rude Parisian.
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Is he actually any good?
By all accounts, what he has done so far he has done well.
The only question is whether three seasons in Ligue 1 is enough data on which to base an opinion.
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Is he actually any good?
Looks like we're about to find out
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As in every other walk of life the single most important quality anybody can bring to their work is intelligence. Garde comes across has being smart and thoughtful ...
I'd agree, but with the qualification that excellent people-skills are pretty fundamental as well. Any manager needs to know how to get the best out of his team members; those relying simply on intelligence may fail to create the conditions in which each and every team member can give of their best every day.
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I fully agree Mr e and considered that point as I wrote and decided that people skills and trade skills are almost entirely dependent on intelligence levels. People who are termed "good with their hands" or "good with people" can never get to exercise those great gifts if they cannot think about their work. The best chippie in the land will let you down if he leaves his tools on the bus. I respectfully submit that we have in recent times had people in place at the club who have been chippies who leave their tools on the bus.
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Is he actually any good?
By all accounts, what he has done so far he has done well.
The only question is whether three seasons in Ligue 1 is enough data on which to base an opinion.
As opposed to half a season with Spurs, which was enough to earn Sherwood almost messiah like status in PunditWorld.
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Is it the fact he's foreign? Or inexperienced?
I think it's more the foreign thing that is worrying people more than the experience - if we announced that we were hiring Francesco Guidolin or some other foreign type who has been managing consistently since the 1980s then they would still be saying that we should be hiring Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
In the last 20 years, other than Roy Hodgson has there been other British coaches who have managed successfully in the 'Big' Leagues
I know McLaren did well in Holland but not so in Germany. Anyone else?
Bobby Robson ?
John Toshack.
Peter Withe
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Is it the fact he's foreign? Or inexperienced?
I think it's more the foreign thing that is worrying people more than the experience - if we announced that we were hiring Francesco Guidolin or some other foreign type who has been managing consistently since the 1980s then they would still be saying that we should be hiring Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
In the last 20 years, other than Roy Hodgson has there been other British coaches who have managed successfully in the 'Big' Leagues
I know McLaren did well in Holland but not so in Germany. Anyone else?
Bobby Robson ?
John Toshack.
Peter Withe
If you're having Withe (I'm guessing for his time as national coach for Thailand), then I'm claiming Colin Todd and Bruce Rioch over here.
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Is it the fact he's foreign? Or inexperienced?
I think it's more the foreign thing that is worrying people more than the experience - if we announced that we were hiring Francesco Guidolin or some other foreign type who has been managing consistently since the 1980s then they would still be saying that we should be hiring Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
In the last 20 years, other than Roy Hodgson has there been other British coaches who have managed successfully in the 'Big' Leagues
I know McLaren did well in Holland but not so in Germany. Anyone else?
Bobby Robson ?
John Toshack.
Peter Withe
If you're having Withe (I'm guessing for his time as national coach for Thailand), then I'm claiming Colin Todd and Bruce Rioch over here.
Ian Ross
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Is it the fact he's foreign? Or inexperienced?
I think it's more the foreign thing that is worrying people more than the experience - if we announced that we were hiring Francesco Guidolin or some other foreign type who has been managing consistently since the 1980s then they would still be saying that we should be hiring Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
In the last 20 years, other than Roy Hodgson has there been other British coaches who have managed successfully in the 'Big' Leagues
I know McLaren did well in Holland but not so in Germany. Anyone else?
Bobby Robson ?
John Toshack.
Peter Withe
If you're having Withe (I'm guessing for his time as national coach for Thailand), then I'm claiming Colin Todd and Bruce Rioch over here.
Graeme Souness
Terry Venebles
David Platt
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Is it the fact he's foreign? Or inexperienced?
I think it's more the foreign thing that is worrying people more than the experience - if we announced that we were hiring Francesco Guidolin or some other foreign type who has been managing consistently since the 1980s then they would still be saying that we should be hiring Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
In the last 20 years, other than Roy Hodgson has there been other British coaches who have managed successfully in the 'Big' Leagues
I know McLaren did well in Holland but not so in Germany. Anyone else?
Bobby Robson ?
John Toshack.
Peter Withe
If you're having Withe (I'm guessing for his time as national coach for Thailand), then I'm claiming Colin Todd and Bruce Rioch over here.
Graeme Souness
Terry Venebles
David Platt
Ian Ross again
Ron Atkinson
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Is he actually any good?
By all accounts, what he has done so far he has done well.
The only question is whether three seasons in Ligue 1 is enough data on which to base an opinion.
Sounds promising, to be honest I hadn't even heard of him until he was linked with us. Couldn't even remember him playing for Arsenal late 90s.
Is he actually any good?
Looks like we're about to find out
Yeah that's why I asked, I think ITV saying it's imminent now.
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As in every other walk of life the single most important quality anybody can bring to their work is intelligence. Garde comes across has being smart and thoughtful.
The one single fault that is marbled through our record since Randy Lerner took over is stupidity. Everything from Moscowgate to hiring McLeish to the Bomb Squad the bullying to publicly disowning players within a few months of their arrival. The whole sorry litany of our deterioration can be attributed to important decisions being made by people without sufficient intelligence to work out the consequences.
Brian - spot on.
Many see the folly without purpose of such decisions. Within the senior echelons of the club between Steve Stride leaving in 2007 until this summer, there was no person of sufficient football knowledge of the professional game at that level. Witness the recruitment to the most important role at the club in the last decade:
Martin O'Neill
Gerard Houllier (out of semi retirement)
Alex McLeish
Paul Lambert
Tim Sherwood
Remy Garde (assuming it is him though am not against the other front runners)
Now it is totally unfathonable in order to spot any sort of trend or commonality between those recruits, lurching from one type/approach/style to another. Whereas Swansea have had a series of 'progressive' appointments in the same time.
Kenny Jackett
Roberto Martinez
Paulo Sousa
Brendan Rodgers
Michael Laudrup
Gary Monk
I agree, to an extent.
But the vast majority here were happy to see Lambert appointed at the time, so there was a degree of logic to that move.
He'd earned his stripes dragging Norwich from the third tier to the Premiership and had his sides entertained on the way, with plenty of goals at either end.
Sherwood coming in for Lambert looked like a positive step too, though not without risk.
But what I'll never understand is wanting Roberto Martinez and ending up with Alex McLeish. That is like going out for a bottle of milk and coming back with a chainsaw.
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Is it the fact he's foreign? Or inexperienced?
I think it's more the foreign thing that is worrying people more than the experience - if we announced that we were hiring Francesco Guidolin or some other foreign type who has been managing consistently since the 1980s then they would still be saying that we should be hiring Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
In the last 20 years, other than Roy Hodgson has there been other British coaches who have managed successfully in the 'Big' Leagues
I know McLaren did well in Holland but not so in Germany. Anyone else?
Is Eck still at Genk?
Would it surprise you to hear they conceded the least goals but drew the 3rd most games and only finished 7th?
Ha! It's comforting to know that certain fundamental principles remain constant.
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I fully agree Mr e and considered that point as I wrote and decided that people skills and trade skills are almost entirely dependent on intelligence levels. People who are termed "good with their hands" or "good with people" can never get to exercise those great gifts if they cannot think about their work. The best chippie in the land will let you down if he leaves his tools on the bus. I respectfully submit that we have in recent times had people in place at the club who have been chippies who leave their tools on the bus.
Nice analogy!
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Not sure it sounds "that" definite from KMac, but I'm hoping it is.
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Sherwood coming in for Lambert looked like a positive step too, though not without risk.
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It looked to me exactly what it turned out to be - a disaster. Lambert had to go but the appointment of Sherwood made no sense to me at all.
Garde (if it is him) is IMO another very big gamble - no PL managerial experience at all is a very big concern. If we have a chance of surviving this season, it's got to start to get turned round fast and I'd prefer a short term appointment to deal with the immediacy of the situation with Garde coming in May so he has time to sort out the squad and imprint his style.
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I guess that depends on if short term survival is the pre requisite. Of course I want us to stay up, but I think an appointment like Garde only makes sense in the longer term ; i.e. developing a coherent, sustainable footballing ethos and strategy and if that means taking a relegation hit on the way, so be it.
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I guess that depends on if short term survival is the pre requisite. Of course I want us to stay up, but I think an appointment like Garde only makes sense in the longer term ; i.e. developing a coherent, sustainable footballing ethos and strategy and if that means taking a relegation hit on the way, so be it.
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I guess that depends on if short term survival is the pre requisite. Of course I want us to stay up, but I think an appointment like Garde only makes sense in the longer term ; i.e. developing a coherent, sustainable footballing ethos and strategy and if that means taking a relegation hit on the way, so be it.
You are right but how many other fans will think as logically as this? A good deal might be baying for blood again if we lose a good deal more games - regardless of who is appointed.
I hope not. Id say whoever comes in will struggle this season. Especially trying to change tactics ( if we originally had any that is ) mid season could back fire....
I do hope garde comes however. Get our french players firing on all cylinders.
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I don't think relegation can be accepted, too much to lose if we go down, no guarantees of coming back, I'd rather not take the risk.
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I think hiring someone like Remi Garde represents our best chance of staying up. He suits the players we have better, and is more likely to get the best out of them than another jobbing Brit straitjacketing them into a prosaic, physical style.
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I can guarantee he'll have more than "lump it long/get crosses into Gestede" as the only string to his bow.
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Id be much more comfortable with Garde if he were a summer recruit so had time to get used to English football again and develop his style over a summer. He only has 3 years experience at Lyon, and has no experience of digging a side out of a rut at the bottom of the table.
I said last weekend that I would like somebody who has known success and tough times as a manager - Lambert for all his success at Norwich had only really known one upward swing and hadn't been tested in tough times. Sherwood was still an apprentice. At least Garde has managed at a good club and has European experience, but I am not sure how quickly transferable that will be.
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Again we keep coming back to experience. I'm just not convinced it's that critical. We've had managers with experience who have failed and managers without it who have failed. I think football intelligence is far more important and it sounds like Garde has that.
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I'm going to take a punt here but if Garde comes than I wouldn't be surprised to see Gabby turn his form around and look like a footballer. Gabby to score 7+ goals and keep us up.
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I'm going to take a punt here but if Garde comes than I wouldn't be surprised to see Gabby turn his form around and look like a footballer. Gabby to score 7+ goals and keep us up.
Would 7 be that great in 7 months, we've a winger who already has 6 in 3 months without playing well or regularly?
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I would bring in little Evans and Gregory till the end of the season it worked the first time round why not again.
If the tinker man at Leicester can come back to English football after how many years away then why not those three
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I think Garde like Houllier will suss out Agbonlahor very quickly. With any luck he will go elsewhere on loan.Wolves might take him.
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I'm going to take a punt here but if Garde comes than I wouldn't be surprised to see Gabby turn his form around and look like a footballer. Gabby to score 7+ goals and keep us up.
Would 7 be that great in 7 months, we've a winger who already has 6 in 3 months without playing well or regularly?
7 league goals in 26/27 games would be a good return, especially as part of a front 3.
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I think Garde like Houllier will suss out Agbonlahor very quickly. With any luck he will go elsewhere on loan.Wolves might take him.
Houllier's idea of sussing him out was thinking he was the 2nd coming of Giggs and playing him left wing. Up until then he was a striker on an upward curve, scoring more year on year, something like 10, 11, 12, 16 off the top of my head, he's never been the same player since Houllier shoved him out wide.
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I'm going to take a punt here but if Garde comes than I wouldn't be surprised to see Gabby turn his form around and look like a footballer. Gabby to score 7+ goals and keep us up.
Would 7 be that great in 7 months, we've a winger who already has 6 in 3 months without playing well or regularly?
7 league goals in 26/27 games would be a good return, especially as part of a front 3.
If he was wide in the 3 yes, I think he's more likely to score 0 however.
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I think Garde like Houllier will suss out Agbonlahor very quickly. With any luck he will go elsewhere on loan.Wolves might take him.
Houllier's idea of sussing him out was thinking he was the 2nd coming of Giggs and playing him left wing. Up until then he was a striker on an upward curve, scoring more year on year, something like 10, 11, 12, 16 off the top of my head, he's never been the same player since Houllier shoved him out wide.
Ah so the fact that he rarely scores is down to Houllier.
Mmmm I see.
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If he'd put his chance away on Saturday like he should have Tim might still be in a job.
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I would bring in little Evans and Gregory till the end of the season it worked the first time round why not again.
If the tinker man at Leicester can come back to English football after how many years away then why not those three
Because Brian Little has been bombed out of every job he's had since 1998, Gregory is still recovering from heart surgery and Evans has been a driving instructor for the past twelve years.
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I think Garde like Houllier will suss out Agbonlahor very quickly. With any luck he will go elsewhere on loan.Wolves might take him.
Houllier's idea of sussing him out was thinking he was the 2nd coming of Giggs and playing him left wing. Up until then he was a striker on an upward curve, scoring more year on year, something like 10, 11, 12, 16 off the top of my head, he's never been the same player since Houllier shoved him out wide.
Ah so the fact that he rarely scores is down to Houllier.
Mmmm I see.
Not entirely of course, it was rather frustrating seeing Houllier play Young through the middle and Gabby out wide though. Bit like McLeish playing Heskey left wing, M'ON playing centre halves at right back, Lambert/Sherwood's various square pegs in round holes incidents etc.
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Young was in attacking midfield, not up front. I remember criticising the move at the time, but it has logic and nothing to do with Gabby - unless you think Gabby should be the playmaker?
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I think hiring someone like Remi Garde represents our best chance of staying up. He suits the players we have better, and is more likely to get the best out of them than another jobbing Brit straitjacketing them into a prosaic, physical style.
I'd agree with that.
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I would bring in little Evans and Gregory till the end of the season it worked the first time round why not again.
If the tinker man at Leicester can come back to English football after how many years away then why not those three
Because Brian Little has beeb bombed out of every job he's had since 1998, Gregory is still recovering from heart surgery and Evans has been a driving instructor for the past twelve years.
Ha ha! But hold on, they are all British.
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I guess that depends on if short term survival is the pre requisite. Of course I want us to stay up, but I think an appointment like Garde only makes sense in the longer term ; i.e. developing a coherent, sustainable footballing ethos and strategy and if that means taking a relegation hit on the way, so be it.
I still think it's early enough in the season where survival is not the overwhelming single focus just yet. The promoted teams are starting to struggle, so although we currently find ourselves bottom, it is a redeemable situation at this point. I hope the new manager sees this and instead of immediately adopting survival mode, implements a way of playing that can be built on.
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I would bring in little Evans and Gregory till the end of the season it worked the first time round why not again.
If the tinker man at Leicester can come back to English football after how many years away then why not those three
Because Brian Little has beeb bombed out of every job he's had since 1998, Gregory is still recovering from heart surgery and Evans has been a driving instructor for the past twelve years.
Yeah but apart from that? :o
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I think if we had been linked with Ranieri when Lambert went the overriding view would have been one of "no thanks".
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Young was in attacking midfield, not up front. I remember criticising the move at the time, but it has logic and nothing to do with Gabby - unless you think Gabby should be the playmaker?
No, Gabby should have played up top with Carew with Young and Downing wide, it worked more than ok the previous season.
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Young was in attacking midfield, not up front. I remember criticising the move at the time, but it has logic and nothing to do with Gabby - unless you think Gabby should be the playmaker?
No, Gabby should have played up top with Carew with Young and Downing wide, it worked more than ok the previous season.
It cost more money than we've ever spent in our history to scrape that style to sixth in the league every year. Name one top four, or even top six side, who play two strikers and use two wingers to lug the ball in to them. Actually never mind top 6 - name any decent side in Europe, in fact, which plays that way.
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Gabby has t been the same since he started chucking weights round like an English centre. I couldn't believe how wide he looked on Wednesday. Yellow definitely didn't flatter him.
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If Baticle comes and subsequently asks for a year off to write a play and is refused, Fox will send Remi an e mail headed Baticle theatrical sabbatical impractical.
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Young was in attacking midfield, not up front. I remember criticising the move at the time, but it has logic and nothing to do with Gabby - unless you think Gabby should be the playmaker?
No, Gabby should have played up top with Carew with Young and Downing wide, it worked more than ok the previous season.
It cost more money than we've ever spent in our history to scrape that style to sixth in the league every year. Name one top four, or even top six side, who play two strikers and use two wingers to lug the ball in to them. Actually never mind top 6 - name any decent side in Europe, in fact, which plays that way.
So the World's philosophy on tactics changed entirely in that one pre season when M'ON left? We didn't scrape 6th, M'ONs insistence on flogging his favourite 13/14 players into the ground by March, and poor use of subs prevented us from finishing higher, which we were quite capable of. The players lack of experience in such situations compared to say Arsenal's didn't help either, nor that we signed Heskey and they Arshavin.
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Young was in attacking midfield, not up front. I remember criticising the move at the time, but it has logic and nothing to do with Gabby - unless you think Gabby should be the playmaker?
No, Gabby should have played up top with Carew with Young and Downing wide, it worked more than ok the previous season.
It cost more money than we've ever spent in our history to scrape that style to sixth in the league every year. Name one top four, or even top six side, who play two strikers and use two wingers to lug the ball in to them. Actually never mind top 6 - name any decent side in Europe, in fact, which plays that way.
So the World's philosophy on tactics changed entirely in that one pre season when M'ON left? We didn't scrape 6th, M'ONs insistence on flogging his favourite 13/14 players into the ground by March, and poor use of subs prevented us from finishing higher, which we were quite capable of. The players lack of experience in such situations compared to say Arsenal's didn't help either, nor that we signed Heskey and they Arshavin.
Okay, we 'slumped' to 6th would be more accurate, and looking back we really spent amazing amounts of money getting there MON's way. His tactics got us way too many home draws, often early in the season not just in the annual March collapse. He must be an incredible motivator, because his tactics, signings, use of squad (I'm with you on that one) and everything else stink to high heaven.
Also, doesn't the whole Heskey/Arshavin contrast tell you something about the style problem? Where would Arshavin have played in our system - Left Midfield, whipping in the crosses? Heskey suited the way we played back then a lot more than Arshavin would've, which is all you need to know about the way we played and the problems with it.
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If Baticle comes and subsequently asks for a year off to write a play and is refused, Fox will send Remi an e mail headed Baticle theatrical sabbatical impractical.
Well I liked it Brian
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I used to love Pubehead's expert and intuitive reading of every single game and the way his expert and intuitive reading every game always demanded Craig Gardner's introduction in the 82nd minute. Genius.
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Young was in attacking midfield, not up front. I remember criticising the move at the time, but it has logic and nothing to do with Gabby - unless you think Gabby should be the playmaker?
No, Gabby should have played up top with Carew with Young and Downing wide, it worked more than ok the previous season.
It cost more money than we've ever spent in our history to scrape that style to sixth in the league every year. Name one top four, or even top six side, who play two strikers and use two wingers to lug the ball in to them. Actually never mind top 6 - name any decent side in Europe, in fact, which plays that way.
So the World's philosophy on tactics changed entirely in that one pre season when M'ON left? We didn't scrape 6th, M'ONs insistence on flogging his favourite 13/14 players into the ground by March, and poor use of subs prevented us from finishing higher, which we were quite capable of. The players lack of experience in such situations compared to say Arsenal's didn't help either, nor that we signed Heskey and they Arshavin.
Okay, we 'slumped' to 6th would be more accurate, and looking back we really spent amazing amounts of money getting there MON's way. His tactics got us way too many home draws, often early in the season not just in the annual March collapse. He must be an incredible motivator, because his tactics, signings, use of squad (I'm with you on that one) and everything else stink to high heaven.
Also, doesn't the whole Heskey/Arshavin contrast tell you something about the style problem? Where would Arshavin have played in our system - Left Midfield, whipping in the crosses? Heskey suited the way we played back then a lot more than Arshavin would've, which is all you need to know about the way we played and the problems with it.
True, I guess Houllier's style was the way forward, but trying to enforce it on that particular group of players who were used to playing a different way just didn't work out well that season.
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The fact that the players actually followed what MacDonald told them to do on Wednesday at least shows they can be coached. So assuming Garde comes in and tells them more than lump it long to Gestede, then gaining 36 points from 28 games shouldn't be beyond him.
I'm having none of this getting relegated as part of the long term plan.
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All I know is I like what Kevin Mac said today about the likelihood of Garde being the new manager. I think our perseverence will pay off and we can start to look forward again. We need to get whatever points we can between now and whenever he arrives so I hope we go for it at Spurs. We have nothing at all to lose.
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True, I guess Houllier's style was the way forward, but trying to enforce it on that particular group of players who were used to playing a different way just didn't work out well that season.
That was a mistake he made and, to be fair, he did change to a more solid style to get the wins we needed - Man City, Newcastle and so on. However, some of the problems implementing the new style were more personal than tactical, namely the volcanic twattery of Dullins and Warnock.
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The fact that the players actually followed what MacDonald told them to do on Wednesday at least shows they can be coached. So assuming Garde comes in and tells them more than lump it long to Gestede, then gaining 36 points from 28 games shouldn't be beyond him.
I'm having none of this getting relegated as part of the long term plan.
Quite, I want Garde, but if he relegates us he needs the boot, I don't care how pretty the football is. 28 games is plenty of time to keep us up.
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I expect the first two Garde will kick out the door are Gabby and Lescott. Jokers the pair of them.
Amavi and Gueye have talent, that is not in question. But both have been guilty of dodging responsibility in recent games. Time for some of the boys to man up.
Veretout, Ayew, Gil, Traore and Grealish - our season will hinge on what we can get out of these five for the rest of the season.
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I expect the first two Garde will kick out the door are Gabby and Lescott. Jokers the pair of them.
Amavi and Gueye have talent, that is not in question. But both have been guilty of dodging responsibility in recent games. Time for some of the boys to man up.
Veretout, Ayew, Gil, Traore and Grealish - our season will hinge on what we can get out of these five for the rest of the season.
i hope not, we are going to need more than those 5 to stay up, a goal scorer and goalkeeper needed desperately
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I expect the first two Garde will kick out the door are Gabby and Lescott. Jokers the pair of them.
Amavi and Gueye have talent, that is not in question. But both have been guilty of dodging responsibility in recent games. Time for some of the boys to man up.
Veretout, Ayew, Gil, Traore and Grealish - our season will hinge on what we can get out of these five for the rest of the season.
Nail on head, I've also high hopes for Illori under Garde.
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If he was wide in the 3 yes,
There's no doubting Agbonlahor is wide however many there are.
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I expect the first two Garde will kick out the door are Gabby and Lescott. Jokers the pair of them.
Amavi and Gueye have talent, that is not in question. But both have been guilty of dodging responsibility in recent games. Time for some of the boys to man up.
Veretout, Ayew, Gil, Traore and Grealish - our season will hinge on what we can get out of these five for the rest of the season.
i hope not, we are going to need more than those 5 to stay up, a goal scorer and goalkeeper needed desperately
It's 7 with Amavi and Gueye, 8 when you include Richards, Illori could be a nice surprise too hopefully. After that we're struggling a bit but Clark, Okore and Snachez aren't too bad. We should be alright, ok we're a couple short, but we should have enough to stay up.
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I would bring in little Evans and Gregory till the end of the season it worked the first time round why not again.
If the tinker man at Leicester can come back to English football after how many years away then why not those three
Because Brian Little has beeb bombed out of every job he's had since 1998, Gregory is still recovering from heart surgery and Evans has been a driving instructor for the past twelve years.
The Driving Instructor bit I like.
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Arsene has stated his opinion. Garde should take this offer. Assistants or not.
The master has spoken.
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The fact that the players actually followed what MacDonald told them to do on Wednesday at least shows they can be coached. So assuming Garde comes in and tells them more than lump it long to Gestede, then gaining 36 points from 28 games shouldn't be beyond him.
I'm having none of this getting relegated as part of the long term plan.
Quite, I want Garde, but if he relegates us he needs the boot, I don't care how pretty the football is. 28 games is plenty of time to keep us up.
Whoah there, Timelord. We haven't even appointed him yet and you're already wanting him sacked.
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The fact that the players actually followed what MacDonald told them to do on Wednesday at least shows they can be coached. So assuming Garde comes in and tells them more than lump it long to Gestede, then gaining 36 points from 28 games shouldn't be beyond him.
I'm having none of this getting relegated as part of the long term plan.
Quite, I want Garde, but if he relegates us he needs the boot, I don't care how pretty the football is. 28 games is plenty of time to keep us up.
Whoah there, Timelord. We haven't even appointed him yet and you're already wanting him sacked.
Haha, true.
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I expect the first two Garde will kick out the door are Gabby and Lescott. Jokers the pair of them.
Amavi and Gueye have talent, that is not in question. But both have been guilty of dodging responsibility in recent games. Time for some of the boys to man up.
Veretout, Ayew, Gil, Traore and Grealish - our season will hinge on what we can get out of these five for the rest of the season.
Regarding Gabby and Lescott, I would much rather he found a way to make them better and useful contributors.
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I expect the first two Garde will kick out the door are Gabby and Lescott. Jokers the pair of them.
Amavi and Gueye have talent, that is not in question. But both have been guilty of dodging responsibility in recent games. Time for some of the boys to man up.
Veretout, Ayew, Gil, Traore and Grealish - our season will hinge on what we can get out of these five for the rest of the season.
Regarding Gabby and Lescott, I would much rather he found a way to make them better and useful contributors.
Gabby on Programms it is then and Joleon drinks carrier.
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If he'd put his chance away on Saturday like he should have Tim might still be in a job.
Wasn't it 0-0 at that point?
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If Baticle comes and subsequently asks for a year off to write a play and is refused, Fox will send Remi an e mail headed Baticle theatrical sabbatical impractical.
That would be magical.
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The most immediate decision he will have to make is what to do about Gestede. He was bought for his heading ability but has looked anything but a premiership player, could Ayew lead the line?
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The most immediate decision he will have to make is what to do about Gestede. He was bought for his heading ability but has looked anything but a premiership player, could Ayew lead the line?
I'd try Ayew first, if not then Kozak, Gestede 3rd, Gabby 4th. Ayew should be able to, he's a fair size as well.
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To think about it the Club said, by appointing KMAC for up to mancity game, that it will take that amount of time to prise the required personnel from their current obligations and have the full team in place. On that basis I am expecting that it will take most of next week to cross T's and dot I's and Garde may well be at VP on Sunday 8 November.
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Watching Kevin Mac today at the press conference Remi Garde can't arrive fast enough. It's a little like how I imagine what playing for Avram Grant might be like.
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Arsene has stated his opinion. Garde should take this offer. Assistants or not.
The master has spoken.
He should jump in himself.
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The fact that the players actually followed what MacDonald told them to do on Wednesday at least shows they can be coached. So assuming Garde comes in and tells them more than lump it long to Gestede, then gaining 36 points from 28 games shouldn't be beyond him.
I'm having none of this getting relegated as part of the long term plan.
Quite, I want Garde, but if he relegates us he needs the boot, I don't care how pretty the football is. 28 games is plenty of time to keep us up.
Whoah there, Timelord. We haven't even appointed him yet and you're already wanting him sacked.
I was checking the odds of the next manager on Oddschecker this morning, and noticed that "next Villa manager" was about 5th favourite to get the boot in the Premier League!
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Why not go for Kevin Keegan ?
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Why not go for Kevin Keegan ?
Please say this is sarcasm.
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Why not go for Kevin Keegan ?
I would prefer Bobby Charlton myself!
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But it will be 26 games realistically by the time he is in. Add into that games against the top 4 sides and it is a pretty tall order.
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The fact that the players actually followed what MacDonald told them to do on Wednesday at least shows they can be coached. So assuming Garde comes in and tells them more than lump it long to Gestede, then gaining 36 points from 28 games shouldn't be beyond him.
I'm having none of this getting relegated as part of the long term plan.
Quite, I want Garde, but if he relegates us he needs the boot, I don't care how pretty the football is. 28 games is plenty of time to keep us up.
Whoah there, Timelord. We haven't even appointed him yet and you're already wanting him sacked.
Haha, true.
Hypothetically he has had -10 days so should have sorted out the problems by now.
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The most immediate decision he will have to make is what to do about Gestede. He was bought for his heading ability but has looked anything but a premiership player, could Ayew lead the line?
To be fair though we don't put many crosses into the box. We tend to get up to the penalty area, on one side or the other, then pass it around in little triangles until we lose the ball.
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If he'd put his chance away on Saturday like he should have Tim might still be in a job.
Wasn't it 0-0 at that point?
Yes Percy, my theory being that we then scored the next goal and should have held on to win the game. However as we well know it doesn't work like that.
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Arsene has stated his opinion. Garde should take this offer. Assistants or not.
The master has spoken.
I thought this was rather good of Wenger and respectful towards us. I appreciated it.
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The Telegraph reporting Remi Garde has agreed 3 1/2 year contract...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11967115/Aston-Villa-manager-latest-Randy-Lerner-flies-out-to-meet-Remi-Garde.html
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Id be much more comfortable with Garde if he were a summer recruit so had time to get used to English football again and develop his style over a summer. He only has 3 years experience at Lyon, and has no experience of digging a side out of a rut at the bottom of the table.
I said last weekend that I would like somebody who has known success and tough times as a manager - Lambert for all his success at Norwich had only really known one upward swing and hadn't been tested in tough times. Sherwood was still an apprentice. At least Garde has managed at a good club and has European experience, but I am not sure how quickly transferable that will be.
Yes that's my reservation aswell.
Foreign managers work with a pre season most of the team, not too often when they're parachuted in mid season, Pep Mel who had a good reputation in Spain springs to mind.
Especially coming to a team rock bottom in league standing and confidence.
Still just get it done and him in as I dread to think what our plan B is going by the last few years.
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The Telegraph reporting Remi Garde has agreed 3 1/2 year contract...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11967115/Aston-Villa-manager-latest-Randy-Lerner-flies-out-to-meet-Remi-Garde.html
I wonder where we/he will be in 3 1/2 years...
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I think he will be a breath of fresh air. We haven't been beaten badly in any game, and it has really been defeats in the most part by fine margins. You put someone intelligent inn there at times in games this season where we have been leading or drawing and we are a good number of points better off. I'm delighted by this news that this is coming to an end. I also think Garde has had a word with his old boss about the job who has convinced him to seize the opportunity, but my guess is we will get the whole package anyway, assistant and all. Randy is going over there with a bag full of euros to seal the deal.
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Xmas is really crucial for us. We play Newcastle, West Ham, Norwich, Sunderland, Palace, Leicester, West Brom over I think a 6 week period. We will need to win a few of those.
Can't see anything in the next two but after that I hope for 4 points from Everton and Watford and we can slowly build up from there.
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I hope he gets patience, particularly if there are signs of improvement, if not the points.
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Sounds very promising. Could be some good news we all need.
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Sounds really promosing now.
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Sounds really promosing now.
It would have been even more promising if I'd been ten minutes quicker when he was 20/1.
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Sounds...erm...exceptionally promising?
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The only thing that worries me about Garde is the fact his name is puntastic for the media
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The only thing that worries me about Garde is the fact his name is puntastic for the media
Garde down?
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The only thing that worries me about Garde is the fact his name is puntastic for the media
Garde down?
En Garde!
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The only thing that worries me about Garde is the fact his name is puntastic for the media
Garde down?
En Garde!
Villa's defence like a chocolate fire Garde
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Shame the Garde-un didnt break the story
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The Changing of the Garde
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Garde of Honour
Micah Richards leads the salute for the Villa manager after a 28 match unbeaten run sees the club secure the most unlikely of European slots.
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Where does it say about a 3 year contract?
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Where does it say about a 3 year contract?
in the Telegraph article. Not in the Gardean
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Villa led up the Garde-n path again.
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Xmas is really crucial for us. We play Newcastle, West Ham, Norwich, Sunderland, Palace, Leicester, West Brom over I think a 6 week period. We will need to win a few of those.
Can't see anything in the next two but after that I hope for 4 points from Everton and Watford and we can slowly build up from there.
9 games until new year takes us to 19. I reckon we need 10 - 12 points from them, which would see us back in with in a shout with 18 to play, needing 22 ish more points. Looking at the games Watford, Newcastle, Southampton, Norwich and West Ham should be opportunities. Arsenal, Everton, Spurs and Man City are bonus rounds. Back to back wins in the league would be a welcome change. When did we last win 3 straight in the league?
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Villa led up the Garde-n path again.
Where you'll find Sherwood on Garde-ning leave
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Witton station to be renamed Garde du Nord
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You know what, I am pretty chuffed about this. Different kind of manager than our usual targets, chance of him building something and even if we go down (lets face it , its likely) he is not guaranteed to bail on us. Who knows we could even play some nice football. :)
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i have invented a song for him ,,,,,,,,,sung to the tune of denee (denis) by blondie
oh remi doo be do,, i,m in love with you remi do be doo
i.m in love with you
remi remi , you came to villa park ,,,,,,,,remi remi at night it got so dark
avec moi cheri ,,,,,we are staying up remi
repeat 1st verse and chorus over and over again
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don't give up the day job
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i have invented a song for him ,,,,,,,,,sung to the tune of denee (denis) by blondie
oh remi doo be do,, i,m in love with you remi do be doo
i.m in love with you
remi remi , you came to villa park ,,,,,,,,remi remi at night it got so dark
avec moi cheri ,,,,,we are staying up remi
repeat 1st verse and chorus over and over again
Surely it's going to be ooh aah Remi Garde to the French National Anthem non?
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i have invented a song for him ,,,,,,,,,sung to the tune of denee (denis) by blondie
oh remi doo be do,, i,m in love with you remi do be doo
i.m in love with you
remi remi , you came to villa park ,,,,,,,,remi remi at night it got so dark
avec moi cheri ,,,,,we are staying up remi
repeat 1st verse and chorus over and over again
Surely it's going to be ooh aah Remi Garde to the French National Anthem non?
All we'll muster up is "Remi give us a wave"
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i have invented a song for him ,,,,,,,,,sung to the tune of denee (denis) by blondie
oh remi doo be do,, i,m in love with you remi do be doo
i.m in love with you
remi remi , you came to villa park ,,,,,,,,remi remi at night it got so dark
avec moi cheri ,,,,,we are staying up remi
repeat 1st verse and chorus over and over again
Don't tell Eastie you are an aspiring songwriter.He might fancy a go!
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Remi Garde's shed is bigger than this
Il y'a une porte et une fenetre
Remi Garde's shed is bigger than this (fortissimo)...
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Garde of Honour
Micah Richards leads the salute for the Villa manager after a 28 match unbeaten run sees the club secure the most unlikely of European slots.
Remi warns his team to be not complacent and caught off Garde.
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Do people think we may finally have a Remidy for our problems?
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We will have if he gets them playing to the French letter of the law. Younger posters get you Dad to explain.
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I'm quite excited. In fact I've got a Remi Garde on.
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i have invented a song for him ,,,,,,,,,sung to the tune of denee (denis) by blondie
oh remi doo be do,, i,m in love with you remi do be doo
i.m in love with you
remi remi , you came to villa park ,,,,,,,,remi remi at night it got so dark
avec moi cheri ,,,,,we are staying up remi
repeat 1st verse and chorus over and over again
Surely it's going to be ooh aah Remi Garde to the French National Anthem non?
All we'll muster up is "Remi give us a wave"
Or
There's only one Remi Garde
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I'm intrigued again by the Villa and I have to say a little excited about the potential of Garde's appointment, should it go through.
Not only has the football looked bad but we've forgotten how to win, Leicester weeks ago is the prime example although the man in charge at the time didn't exactly help matters. Should Garde take over, getting that first win under the belt I feel will be so crucial. It's intriguing to know just how he'll go about it and how the squad responds.
Will he be open, or will he use a more Garded approach?
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Garde would be an appointment with the long-term in mind. So maybe Randy will be more inclined to stump up the cash for him in January to buy a quality striker. I think he'll need to, anyway.
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If the French crew take over it would not surprise me in the least if they produced a top notch goal scorer from our existing squad. One of them, Ayew, Sinclair, Kozak, (slimline) Gabby, Gestede could be transformed with a modicum of serious coaching. My money is on Ayew though I would love it to be Libor after all he has endured.
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I don't know if Ayew has played as a lone striker before but he seemed to grow in confidence after his goal last week and if we're going to play Gil and Grealish then he's more likely to pick up a through ball than Gestede is.
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Remi Garde's shed is bigger than this
Il y'a une porte et une fenetre
Remi Garde's shed is bigger than this (fortissimo)...
Still can't find the Like button on this website thingy
Remi's cabane de jardin est plus grand que ce -- this doesn't scan very well
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I like the fact that Remi Garde has experienced various roles at Lyon from coach to assistant manager to director of football to manager. He was in line for director if football at Arsenal when Dein left if Arsenal had gone down that route.
Reading between the lines it looks as though he works very closely with his coaches as a true team. Very much the foreign model and the opposite to the 'bibs and cones' approach in England.
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I most like the fact that he rode out the extreme financial crisis at Lyon brought on by the building of the new stadium. He will be no stranger to being told No by the accountants.
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I'm hoping that Baticle stops being problematical and joins Remi's team, which becomes indefatigable!
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Me too Lou but first we must solve his problems contractual.
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A shame Moyes has turned us down, probably not for the first time!
It's looking like it's going to be Garde, which of course is a huge gamble, understandable nonetheless. Basically, if the French speaking contingent play well, we'll probably stay up, and if they don't, we probably won't.
I think it's going to be tough for the non-speaking French players and it all might become a bit "cliquey". Micah Richards has already said that "they" should adapt and learn English etc...
Anyway, the new manager is going to need a huge amount of diplomatic skills and is going to have to be a great "people" person as well.
We actually really have no idea how good are French players are. Most of us knew nothing of them before they arrived and most haven't done particularly well since they arrived. However, does the fact that Garde is keen, suggest they are actually quite good. Surely, he wouldn't want to come if he didn't rate some of them?
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Let's hope that Remi is using his free time this week to learn about the squad he is inheriting.
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I'm hoping that Baticle stops being problematical and joins Remi's team, which becomes indefatigable!
I just hope he'll be magical tactical (which I know isn't correct grammatical)
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Well, Garde's been on sabbatical long enough to come up with something radical.
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With regard to Moyes the regret about the Villa job is going to be much more of a problem to him than to us.
As for diplomatic skills, Remi Garde has been left a very low mark to be better than his four predecessors. All have all been piss poor at communication but Sherwood especially so by his compulsion to sieve his every thought and opinion through his mates in the media.
All Remi Garde has to do is tell the truth openly and respect the intelligence of the fans and he will be fine. I am braced for relegation so if it comes, let's just get on with it and play some winning football.
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Hopefully it bodes well that Wenger used him specifically to be the conduit between the French and English players at Arsenal.
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If Gabby starts in Garde's first selected line up I think I might cry.
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Sorry double post.
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A shame Moyes has turned us down, probably not for the first time!
It's looking like it's going to be Garde, which of course is a huge gamble, understandable nonetheless. Basically, if the French speaking contingent play well, we'll probably stay up, and if they don't, we probably won't.
I think it's going to be tough for the non-speaking French players and it all might become a bit "cliquey". Micah Richards has already said that "they" should adapt and learn English etc...
Anyway, the new manager is going to need a huge amount of diplomatic skills and is going to have to be a great "people" person as well.
We actually really have no idea how good are French players are. Most of us knew nothing of them before they arrived and most haven't done particularly well since they arrived. However, does the fact that Garde is keen, suggest they are actually quite good. Surely, he wouldn't want to come if he didn't rate some of them?
Apparently his nickname in his playing days at Arsenal was 'The Diplomat'.
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A shame Moyes has turned us down, probably not for the first time!
It's looking like it's going to be Garde, which of course is a huge gamble, understandable nonetheless. Basically, if the French speaking contingent play well, we'll probably stay up, and if they don't, we probably won't.
I think it's going to be tough for the non-speaking French players and it all might become a bit "cliquey". Micah Richards has already said that "they" should adapt and learn English etc...
Anyway, the new manager is going to need a huge amount of diplomatic skills and is going to have to be a great "people" person as well.
We actually really have no idea how good are French players are. Most of us knew nothing of them before they arrived and most haven't done particularly well since they arrived. However, does the fact that Garde is keen, suggest they are actually quite good. Surely, he wouldn't want to come if he didn't rate some of them?
Glad Moyes not coming to B6. We need someone with more charisma and panache than another Scotsman.
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I think 80% of Gabby might stand a chance of starting for Remy Des.
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With regard to Moyes the regret about the Villa job is going to be much more of a problem to him than to us.
As for diplomatic skills, Remi Garde has been left a very low mark to be better than his four predecessors. All have all been piss poor at communication but Sherwood especially so by his compulsion to sieve his every thought and opinion through his mates in the media.
All Remi Garde has to do is tell the truth openly and respect the intelligence of the fans and he will be fine. I am braced for relegation so if it comes, let's just get on with it and play some winning football.
Totally agree Brian.
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I also remember reading years ago that, upon signing the French players at Arsenal, Wenger insisted on English being the only language spoken in the dressing room. I guess it's easier for a Frenchman to impose a rule like that, and it helps with the 'cliques' issue.
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I also remember reading years ago that, upon signing the French players at Arsenal, Wenger insisted on English being the only language spoken in the dressing room. I guess it's easier for a Frenchman to impose a rule like that, and it helps with the 'cliques' issue.
I remember seeing an interview with Mourinho when he first went to Chelsea and he insisted on this too.
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what about Houlier as DOF
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If he was kept on as director of football after he was let go as manager then I don't think we'd be in the position we are now
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A shame Moyes has turned us down, probably not for the first time!
It's looking like it's going to be Garde, which of course is a huge gamble, understandable nonetheless. Basically, if the French speaking contingent play well, we'll probably stay up, and if they don't, we probably won't.
I think it's going to be tough for the non-speaking French players and it all might become a bit "cliquey". Micah Richards has already said that "they" should adapt and learn English etc...
Anyway, the new manager is going to need a huge amount of diplomatic skills and is going to have to be a great "people" person as well.
We actually really have no idea how good are French players are. Most of us knew nothing of them before they arrived and most haven't done particularly well since they arrived. However, does the fact that Garde is keen, suggest they are actually quite good. Surely, he wouldn't want to come if he didn't rate some of them?
Glad Moyes not coming to B6. We need someone with more charisma and panache than another Scotsman.
What's Scottish got to do with it?
What about the turgid shit served up by Pulis or Allardyce?
What about the charisma of Monotone McLaren, the panache of Hughes, or the supreme combination of every negative attribute you can think off (including relegation) Steve Bruce?
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If he was kept on as director of football after he was let go as manager then I don't think we'd be in the position we are now
Entirely dependent on who he had recruited as coaches, but yes we would have avoided the McLeish shit and probably bobbed around mid table for a few years.
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If he was kept on as director of football after he was let go as manager then I don't think we'd be in the position we are now
Entirely dependent on who he had recruited as coaches, but yes we would have avoided the McLeish shit and probably bobbed around mid table for a few years.
I think if Houllier had been allowed to do what he wanted to do - clear out the crap and start over, using Cabaye as his lynchpin - we may have bobbed around for a while but I suspect we would then have risen to top 6 and some opportunities for trophies.
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141 v 140, thank you, thank you.
Don't blame me later if it all goes wrong.
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With regard to Moyes the regret about the Villa job is going to be much more of a problem to him than to us.
As for diplomatic skills, Remi Garde has been left a very low mark to be better than his four predecessors. All have all been piss poor at communication but Sherwood especially so by his compulsion to sieve his every thought and opinion through his mates in the media.
All Remi Garde has to do is tell the truth openly and respect the intelligence of the fans and he will be fine. I am braced for relegation so if it comes, let's just get on with it and play some winning football.
Spot on.
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If he was kept on as director of football after he was let go as manager then I don't think we'd be in the position we are now
Entirely dependent on who he had recruited as coaches, but yes we would have avoided the McLeish shit and probably bobbed around mid table for a few years.
I think if Houllier had been allowed to do what he wanted to do - clear out the crap and start over, using Cabaye as his lynchpin - we may have bobbed around for a while but I suspect we would then have risen to top 6 and some opportunities for trophies.
His problem was always following O'Neill. Expecatations were still very high for the following season, we still had a very good squad in fairness.
That and his dodgy ticker of course.
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A shame Moyes has turned us down, probably not for the first time!
It's looking like it's going to be Garde, which of course is a huge gamble, understandable nonetheless. Basically, if the French speaking contingent play well, we'll probably stay up, and if they don't, we probably won't.
I think it's going to be tough for the non-speaking French players and it all might become a bit "cliquey". Micah Richards has already said that "they" should adapt and learn English etc...
Anyway, the new manager is going to need a huge amount of diplomatic skills and is going to have to be a great "people" person as well.
We actually really have no idea how good are French players are. Most of us knew nothing of them before they arrived and most haven't done particularly well since they arrived. However, does the fact that Garde is keen, suggest they are actually quite good. Surely, he wouldn't want to come if he didn't rate some of them?
Glad Moyes not coming to B6. We need someone with more charisma and panache than another Scotsman.
Not forgetting that Moyes was known as "Dithering Dave" up here on Merseyside
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A shame Moyes has turned us down, probably not for the first time!
It's looking like it's going to be Garde, which of course is a huge gamble, understandable nonetheless. Basically, if the French speaking contingent play well, we'll probably stay up, and if they don't, we probably won't.
I think it's going to be tough for the non-speaking French players and it all might become a bit "cliquey". Micah Richards has already said that "they" should adapt and learn English etc...
Anyway, the new manager is going to need a huge amount of diplomatic skills and is going to have to be a great "people" person as well.
We actually really have no idea how good are French players are. Most of us knew nothing of them before they arrived and most haven't done particularly well since they arrived. However, does the fact that Garde is keen, suggest they are actually quite good. Surely, he wouldn't want to come if he didn't rate some of them?
Glad Moyes not coming to B6. We need someone with more charisma and panache than another Scotsman.
Not forgetting that Moyes was known as "Dithering Dave" up here on Merseyside
I've got a mate called Dithering Dave. He's much worse than Moyes though, he's on his nineteenth nervous breakdown and is pushed around something rotten by his grown-up son.
He's a nose so hopefully won't be reading this.
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Pain behind the ribs?
Sick to the stomach?
Indigestible football?
Heartache?
Simply relieved with Remi.
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A shame Moyes has turned us down, probably not for the first time!
It's looking like it's going to be Garde, which of course is a huge gamble, understandable nonetheless. Basically, if the French speaking contingent play well, we'll probably stay up, and if they don't, we probably won't.
I think it's going to be tough for the non-speaking French players and it all might become a bit "cliquey". Micah Richards has already said that "they" should adapt and learn English etc...
Anyway, the new manager is going to need a huge amount of diplomatic skills and is going to have to be a great "people" person as well.
We actually really have no idea how good are French players are. Most of us knew nothing of them before they arrived and most haven't done particularly well since they arrived. However, does the fact that Garde is keen, suggest they are actually quite good. Surely, he wouldn't want to come if he didn't rate some of them?
Glad Moyes not coming to B6. We need someone with more charisma and panache than another Scotsman.
What's Scottish got to do with it?
What about the turgid shit served up by Pulis or Allardyce?
What about the charisma of Monotone McLaren, the panache of Hughes, or the supreme combination of every negative attribute you can think off (including relegation) Steve Bruce?
What about the greatest and most influential men in our club's history?
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If he was kept on as director of football after he was let go as manager then I don't think we'd be in the position we are now
I agree but he didn't want it.
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A shame Moyes has turned us down, probably not for the first time!
It's looking like it's going to be Garde, which of course is a huge gamble, understandable nonetheless. Basically, if the French speaking contingent play well, we'll probably stay up, and if they don't, we probably won't.
I think it's going to be tough for the non-speaking French players and it all might become a bit "cliquey". Micah Richards has already said that "they" should adapt and learn English etc...
Anyway, the new manager is going to need a huge amount of diplomatic skills and is going to have to be a great "people" person as well.
We actually really have no idea how good are French players are. Most of us knew nothing of them before they arrived and most haven't done particularly well since they arrived. However, does the fact that Garde is keen, suggest they are actually quite good. Surely, he wouldn't want to come if he didn't rate some of them?
Glad Moyes not coming to B6. We need someone with more charisma and panache than another Scotsman.
Not forgetting that Moyes was known as "Dithering Dave" up here on Merseyside
I've got a mate called Dithering Dave. He's much worse than Moyes though, he's on his nineteenth nervous breakdown and is pushed around something rotten by his grown-up son.
He's a nose so hopefully won't be reading this.
I have an acquaintance called 'Mad Derek'. Though he doesn't know he's called that, obviously. So even if he is reading this, he'll think I mean somebody else
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A shame Moyes has turned us down, probably not for the first time!
It's looking like it's going to be Garde, which of course is a huge gamble, understandable nonetheless. Basically, if the French speaking contingent play well, we'll probably stay up, and if they don't, we probably won't.
I think it's going to be tough for the non-speaking French players and it all might become a bit "cliquey". Micah Richards has already said that "they" should adapt and learn English etc...
Anyway, the new manager is going to need a huge amount of diplomatic skills and is going to have to be a great "people" person as well.
We actually really have no idea how good are French players are. Most of us knew nothing of them before they arrived and most haven't done particularly well since they arrived. However, does the fact that Garde is keen, suggest they are actually quite good. Surely, he wouldn't want to come if he didn't rate some of them?
Glad Moyes not coming to B6. We need someone with more charisma and panache than another Scotsman.
Not forgetting that Moyes was known as "Dithering Dave" up here on Merseyside
I've got a mate called Dithering Dave. He's much worse than Moyes though, he's on his nineteenth nervous breakdown and is pushed around something rotten by his grown-up son.
He's a nose so hopefully won't be reading this.
I have an acquaintance called 'Mad Derek'. Though he doesn't know he's called that, obviously. So even if he is reading this, he'll think I mean somebody else
I've got a mate who everyone calls Mad John to his face. He was left on his 'parents' door-step as a baby.
My ex-missus is widely known as Mad Ange. No-one has the nerve to say it to her though, not even the SAS.
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Where has 'Moyes turned us down' come from??? Sounds to me Garde has always been number one choice even before Tum was sacked.
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he's been asked in post match interviews and gave the answer you would expect, i.e. no.
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When I was playing football in London 30 years ago our goalkeepers always had the prefix "Mad". Mad Huw was genuinely yampy but the other just thought it helped scare forwards if everybody referred to him as Mad Frank on the pitch.
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Where has 'Moyes turned us down' come from??? Sounds to me Garde has always been number one choice even before Tum was sacked.
That's my take as well. We moved very quickly and decisively to Garde. It was only the media that linked us with everyone else including Moyes. Much like the summer transfers. We were linked to Townsend, we got Traore, or Livermore and quietly went about our business and got Veretout and so on.
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A shame Moyes has turned us down, probably not for the first time!
Has he? That's news to me and rest of the world. Where do you get your info from?
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A shame Moyes has turned us down, probably not for the first time!
It's looking like it's going to be Garde, which of course is a huge gamble, understandable nonetheless. Basically, if the French speaking contingent play well, we'll probably stay up, and if they don't, we probably won't.
I think it's going to be tough for the non-speaking French players and it all might become a bit "cliquey". Micah Richards has already said that "they" should adapt and learn English etc...
Anyway, the new manager is going to need a huge amount of diplomatic skills and is going to have to be a great "people" person as well.
We actually really have no idea how good are French players are. Most of us knew nothing of them before they arrived and most haven't done particularly well since they arrived. However, does the fact that Garde is keen, suggest they are actually quite good. Surely, he wouldn't want to come if he didn't rate some of them?
Glad Moyes not coming to B6. We need someone with more charisma and panache than another Scotsman.
What's Scottish got to do with it?
What about the turgid shit served up by Pulis or Allardyce?
What about the charisma of Monotone McLaren, the panache of Hughes, or the supreme combination of every negative attribute you can think off (including relegation) Steve Bruce?
What about the greatest and most influential men in our club's history?
Hear hear.
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A shame Moyes has turned us down, probably not for the first time!
It's looking like it's going to be Garde, which of course is a huge gamble, understandable nonetheless. Basically, if the French speaking contingent play well, we'll probably stay up, and if they don't, we probably won't.
I think it's going to be tough for the non-speaking French players and it all might become a bit "cliquey". Micah Richards has already said that "they" should adapt and learn English etc...
Anyway, the new manager is going to need a huge amount of diplomatic skills and is going to have to be a great "people" person as well.
We actually really have no idea how good are French players are. Most of us knew nothing of them before they arrived and most haven't done particularly well since they arrived. However, does the fact that Garde is keen, suggest they are actually quite good. Surely, he wouldn't want to come if he didn't rate some of them?
Glad Moyes not coming to B6. We need someone with more charisma and panache than another Scotsman.
Not forgetting that Moyes was known as "Dithering Dave" up here on Merseyside
I've got a mate called Dithering Dave. He's much worse than Moyes though, he's on his nineteenth nervous breakdown and is pushed around something rotten by his grown-up son.
He's a nose so hopefully won't be reading this.
I have an acquaintance called 'Mad Derek'. Though he doesn't know he's called that, obviously. So even if he is reading this, he'll think I mean somebody else
I've got a mate who everyone calls Mad John to his face. He was left on his 'parents' door-step as a baby.
My ex-missus is widely known as Mad Ange. No-one has the nerve to say it to her though, not even the SAS.
I knew a fella everybody referred to as Depressing Pete. We'd be having a rip, roaring laugh in the pub and Depressing Pete would walk in and everybody would go silent and stare into their pints hoping he wouldn't come over and join us. A one man factory of sadness.
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Glad Moyes not coming to B6. We need someone with more charisma and panache than another Scotsman.
What's Scottish got to do with it?
What about the turgid shit served up by Pulis or Allardyce?
What about the charisma of Monotone McLaren, the panache of Hughes, or the supreme combination of every negative attribute you can think off (including relegation) Steve Bruce?
What about the greatest and most influential men in our club's history?
Quite. Too focused on refuting the negative that by definition he has to dour by virtue of being Scottish.
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A shame Moyes has turned us down, probably not for the first time!
It's looking like it's going to be Garde, which of course is a huge gamble, understandable nonetheless. Basically, if the French speaking contingent play well, we'll probably stay up, and if they don't, we probably won't.
I think it's going to be tough for the non-speaking French players and it all might become a bit "cliquey". Micah Richards has already said that "they" should adapt and learn English etc...
Anyway, the new manager is going to need a huge amount of diplomatic skills and is going to have to be a great "people" person as well.
We actually really have no idea how good are French players are. Most of us knew nothing of them before they arrived and most haven't done particularly well since they arrived. However, does the fact that Garde is keen, suggest they are actually quite good. Surely, he wouldn't want to come if he didn't rate some of them?
Glad Moyes not coming to B6. We need someone with more charisma and panache than another Scotsman.
Not forgetting that Moyes was known as "Dithering Dave" up here on Merseyside
I've got a mate called Dithering Dave. He's much worse than Moyes though, he's on his nineteenth nervous breakdown and is pushed around something rotten by his grown-up son.
He's a nose so hopefully won't be reading this.
I have an acquaintance called 'Mad Derek'. Though he doesn't know he's called that, obviously. So even if he is reading this, he'll think I mean somebody else
I've got a mate who everyone calls Mad John to his face. He was left on his 'parents' door-step as a baby.
My ex-missus is widely known as Mad Ange. No-one has the nerve to say it to her though, not even the SAS.
I knew a fella everybody referred to as Depressing Pete. We'd be having a rip, roaring laugh in the pub and Depressing Pete would walk in and everybody would go silent and stare into their pints hoping he wouldn't come over and join us. A one man factory of sadness.
Doesn't happen to come from Solihull by any chance?
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A shame Moyes has turned us down, probably not for the first time!
It's looking like it's going to be Garde, which of course is a huge gamble, understandable nonetheless. Basically, if the French speaking contingent play well, we'll probably stay up, and if they don't, we probably won't.
I think it's going to be tough for the non-speaking French players and it all might become a bit "cliquey". Micah Richards has already said that "they" should adapt and learn English etc...
Anyway, the new manager is going to need a huge amount of diplomatic skills and is going to have to be a great "people" person as well.
We actually really have no idea how good are French players are. Most of us knew nothing of them before they arrived and most haven't done particularly well since they arrived. However, does the fact that Garde is keen, suggest they are actually quite good. Surely, he wouldn't want to come if he didn't rate some of them?
Glad Moyes not coming to B6. We need someone with more charisma and panache than another Scotsman.
Not forgetting that Moyes was known as "Dithering Dave" up here on Merseyside
I've got a mate called Dithering Dave. He's much worse than Moyes though, he's on his nineteenth nervous breakdown and is pushed around something rotten by his grown-up son.
He's a nose so hopefully won't be reading this.
I have an acquaintance called 'Mad Derek'. Though he doesn't know he's called that, obviously. So even if he is reading this, he'll think I mean somebody else
I've got a mate who everyone calls Mad John to his face. He was left on his 'parents' door-step as a baby.
My ex-missus is widely known as Mad Ange. No-one has the nerve to say it to her though, not even the SAS.
I knew a fella everybody referred to as Depressing Pete. We'd be having a rip, roaring laugh in the pub and Depressing Pete would walk in and everybody would go silent and stare into their pints hoping he wouldn't come over and join us. A one man factory of sadness.
I was lagging drunk and having afters in the Prince Hal once when a bloke I vaguely knew asked me how I got the nick-name Percy. I told him (it was after a character in a school play I wrote) and asked him how he got his. Suicidal Phil was most upset. Not for the first time obviously.
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A shame Moyes has turned us down, probably not for the first time!
It's looking like it's going to be Garde, which of course is a huge gamble, understandable nonetheless. Basically, if the French speaking contingent play well, we'll probably stay up, and if they don't, we probably won't.
I think it's going to be tough for the non-speaking French players and it all might become a bit "cliquey". Micah Richards has already said that "they" should adapt and learn English etc...
Anyway, the new manager is going to need a huge amount of diplomatic skills and is going to have to be a great "people" person as well.
We actually really have no idea how good are French players are. Most of us knew nothing of them before they arrived and most haven't done particularly well since they arrived. However, does the fact that Garde is keen, suggest they are actually quite good. Surely, he wouldn't want to come if he didn't rate some of them?
Apparently his nickname in his playing days at Arsenal was 'The Diplomat'.
i thought it was semi hard
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One of the long time porters at the fruit and veg market is called Fat Bob by everybody. Even his wife. He is immensely proud of his nickname because he used to be massively obese but fought the affliction and is now a tad fatter than Chris Froome and runs marathons for a hobby. Newcomers to the market get sniffy about our sizeist name for Bob but he would be terribly hurt if we stopped.
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Next Villa Manager?
Jose. Wait till tomorrow and we won't have to pay any compensation either!
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Next Villa Manager?
Jose. Wait till tomorrow and we won't have to pay any compensation either!
I'd love it....love it...if that happened.
I should be able to get a fortune for my seat on Seatwave if Jose was manager
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I'd rather have Jose Carreras as manager than that classless cock socket associated in any way shape or form with us.
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I'd rather have Jose Carreras as manager than that classless cock socket associated in any way shape or form with us.
How much would he cost?
Only a tenner
*gets coat and leaves*
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One of the long time porters at the fruit and veg market is called Fat Bob by everybody. Even his wife. He is immensely proud of his nickname because he used to be massively obese but fought the affliction and is now a tad fatter than Chris Froome and runs marathons for a hobby. Newcomers to the market get sniffy about our sizeist name for Bob but he would be terribly hurt if we stopped.
This needs it's own separate thread
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Soccer Saturday team were really scathing about Garde potentially coming in. Said it's a joke appointment and questioned why he hasn't even come yet.
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Soccer Saturday team were really scathing about Garde potentially coming in. Said it's a joke appointment and questioned why he hasn't even come yet.
Don't confuse what they spout with considered opinion.
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Soccer Saturday team were really scathing about Garde potentially coming in. Said it's a joke appointment and questioned why he hasn't even come yet.
If the finest brains in the pundit world think that then we'd best sack the idea and ask them which of their mates we should be appointing.
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Soccer Saturday team were really scathing about Garde potentially coming in. Said it's a joke appointment and questioned why he hasn't even come yet.
If the finest brains in the pundit world think that then we'd best sack the idea and ask them which of their mates we should be appointing.
Actually the opposite. If the finest brains in the pundit world are of that opinion then we are probably doing the right thing. Let's put it this way, if we were hiring any one of their washed up British mates he'd be a far better appointment in their eyes, so their opinion counts for less than nothing.
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Soccer Saturday team were really scathing about Garde potentially coming in. Said it's a joke appointment and questioned why he hasn't even come yet.
Well if they'd paid attention they'd know why he isn't here yet. Absolute quartet of cretins. They sum up the jingoistic nonsense spouted by the English media. Funnily enough their scorn makes me feel the appointment will succeed, because they know fuck all.
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Soccer Saturday team were really scathing about Garde potentially coming in. Said it's a joke appointment and questioned why he hasn't even come yet.
If there is any collection of people whose opinion I would trust on nothing, it is that bunch of moronic halfwits.
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Paul Merson is possibly the thickest person to get a job on television. And yes I'm aware of Joey Essex.
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Soccer Saturday team were really scathing about Garde potentially coming in. Said it's a joke appointment and questioned why he hasn't even come yet.
Sigh. Just why do you watch such utter shite? And it's not even become shite recently. They have been spouting bollocks for, what, 10 years? Maybe longer? Soccer Saturday was one of the main reasons I cancelled Sky Sports and then Sky altogether.
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I'm going out on a limb, but I'm guessing he watches to find out the latest football scores.
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Soccer Saturday team were really scathing about Garde potentially coming in. Said it's a joke appointment and questioned why he hasn't even come yet.
They go to such lengths to make sure nothing is the fault of their fellow thick-as-whale-mince British ex-pros. Sherwood presides over an embarrassingly bad start? Must be the foreign players, and the signings committee, one of whom is also foreign. Villa hiring a non-Brit manager? Must be a disaster, he's foreign, why not hire one of our mates like Dwight Yorke or Glenn Hoddle?
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Soccer Saturday team were really scathing about Garde potentially coming in. Said it's a joke appointment and questioned why he hasn't even come yet.
I don't know who was on today but Nicholas, Merson, Dowie, Thompson? A collective IQ of 10 between the lot of them.
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Soccer Saturday team were really scathing about Garde potentially coming in. Said it's a joke appointment and questioned why he hasn't even come yet.
They go to such lengths to make sure nothing is the fault of their fellow thick-as-whale-mince British ex-pros. Sherwood presides over an embarrassingly bad start? Must be the foreign players, and the signings committee, one of whom is also foreign. Villa hiring a non-Brit manager? Must be a disaster, he's foreign, why not hire one of our mates like Dwight Yorke or Glenn Hoddle?
Oh the irony
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Soccer Saturday team were really scathing about Garde potentially coming in. Said it's a joke appointment and questioned why he hasn't even come yet.
I don't know who was on today but Nicholas, Merson, Dowie, Thompson? A collective IQ of 10 between the lot of them.
I think you've missed a decimal point out there.
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Soccer Saturday team were really scathing about Garde potentially coming in. Said it's a joke appointment and questioned why he hasn't even come yet.
They go to such lengths to make sure nothing is the fault of their fellow thick-as-whale-mince British ex-pros. Sherwood presides over an embarrassingly bad start? Must be the foreign players, and the signings committee, one of whom is also foreign. Villa hiring a non-Brit manager? Must be a disaster, he's foreign, why not hire one of our mates like Dwight Yorke or Glenn Hoddle?
Oh the irony
Ah, oops. In any case, Dwight may not be British-born but he's definitely 'one of the boys'.
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Soccer Saturday team were really scathing about Garde potentially coming in. Said it's a joke appointment and questioned why he hasn't even come yet.
They go to such lengths to make sure nothing is the fault of their fellow thick-as-whale-mince British ex-pros. Sherwood presides over an embarrassingly bad start? Must be the foreign players, and the signings committee, one of whom is also foreign. Villa hiring a non-Brit manager? Must be a disaster, he's foreign, why not hire one of our mates like Dwight Yorke or Glenn Hoddle?
Oh the irony
Ah, oops. In any case, Dwight may not be British-born but he's definitely 'one of the boys'.
I was definitely taking the piss out of them, not you.
They'd never get it as they first heard about him at an English club.
But could you imagine how many would be queuing up to buy their pointy bamboo hats from Docherty if were to give him his debut as a 16 teenager today?
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Soccer Saturday team were really scathing about Garde potentially coming in. Said it's a joke appointment and questioned why he hasn't even come yet.
Sigh. Just why do you watch such utter shite? And it's not even become shite recently. They have been spouting bollocks for, what, 10 years? Maybe longer? Soccer Saturday was one of the main reasons I cancelled Sky Sports and then Sky altogether.
I honestly don't know how you survive without it
I moved house last weekend and we had a whole night without Sky, I thought we might have to start reading some books at one point
I know most people on here say they don't like it but I would die without sky, and not just for the sports either
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Results haven't been too bad today with Norwich and Newcastle failing to win. Hopefully Everton do Sunderland for us tomorrow and Bournemouth don't pick anything up either. We need a new man in quickly though because we need that bounce. I'm still not convinced Garde is the answer but wtf do I know.
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Soccer Saturday team were really scathing about Garde potentially coming in. Said it's a joke appointment and questioned why he hasn't even come yet.
If there is any collection of people whose opinion I would trust on nothing, it is that bunch of moronic halfwits.
Considering Merson played with him, Thompson's best mate Houllier had him as assistant and Wenger has endorsed him as a top coach and good thinker. Houllier has already said that Garde will bring tactical nous that Sherwood didn't. The opinion of a group of blokes who are essentially Sky doing their best for care in the community for ex pros it is not something I am too fussed about.
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it's like watching a group of Neanderthals in a cave arguing over who has the highest hairline.
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Anything you need to know about Paul Merson's mentality you can rad in his book. Absolute cock rocket. He can barely string a sentence together on that programme and I wouldn't cross the road to listen to him.
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Wilkins put a word in on talksport Hoddle getting the villa job yesterday.Inside info or jobs for the boys? Either way I have no faith in the current owners. They have not made 1 successful choice of management in 8 fuckin years!!! O'Neill was chosen by Deadly. We are like an Ocean liner being run by chimps.
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Looks like it's only me that likes it then
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Results haven't been too bad today with Norwich and Newcastle failing to win. Hopefully Everton do Sunderland for us tomorrow and Bournemouth don't pick anything up either. We need a new man in quickly though because we need that bounce. I'm still not convinced Garde is the answer but wtf do I know.
No point in worrying about any other results. Our target is 38 points and that will usurp other results for that coveted 4th from bottom!
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Looks like it's only me that likes it then
I quite enjoy it too and missed the stuff about the Villa today.
There seems to be an awful lot of stuff that one pundit just regurgitates from another, and especially with the Sherwood dismissal. I don't think any of us as fans are expecting us to be top 10 at the moment but to suggest that the run that we are on, and 4 points is acceptable frankly ridiculous.
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Soccer Saturday team were really scathing about Garde potentially coming in. Said it's a joke appointment and questioned why he hasn't even come yet.
If there is any collection of people whose opinion I would trust on nothing, it is that bunch of moronic halfwits.
Considering Merson played with him, Thompson's best mate Houllier had him as assistant and Wenger has endorsed him as a top coach and good thinker. Houllier has already said that Garde will bring tactical nous that Sherwood didn't. The opinion of a group of blokes who are essentially Sky doing their best for care in the community for ex pros it is not something I am too fussed about.
I think Merson had left by then. Thompson probably thinks he (Thompson) is the only assistant Houllier ever recruited or would be filled with jealousy. Charlie Nicholas and Alan McInally are probably still upset that we had the temerity to get rid of Lambert.
You can bet that aside from when they're covering our game, all they see is a 5-minute highlights package that is meant to give balanced coverage of both sides. Gary Neville and to a lesser degree, Jamie Carragher, were a breath of fresh air as pundits. Some actual erstwhile analysis on a Monday night. Them aside, it's incredible how low the bar is for punditry is in this country. As far as Soccer Saturday is concerned, the fact that the panel are so against it makes me more confident of Garde being the right man.
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I think I listened to some analysis made by Thompson today on TalkSport in the car inbetween TD CDs. Totally clueless.
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Wilkins put a word in on talksport Hoddle getting the villa job yesterday.Inside info or jobs for the boys? Either way I have no faith in the current owners. They have not made 1 successful choice of management in 8 fuckin years!!! O'Neill was chosen by Deadly. We are like an Ocean liner being run by chimps.
Garde would be a very logical choice.
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Galtier is the favourite on Betfair now. Into 1/2.
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Wilkins put a word in on talksport Hoddle getting the villa job yesterday.Inside info or jobs for the boys? Either way I have no faith in the current owners. They have not made 1 successful choice of management in 8 fuckin years!!! O'Neill was chosen by Deadly. We are like an Ocean liner being run by chimps.
Garde would be a very logical choice.
Would he? I really hope your right but what are you basing your opinion on?
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Thomas Tuchel is 1.02 on betfair.
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SkyBet 1/1 Garde
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Looks like it's only me that likes it then
And me...(hides)
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Thomas Tuchel is 1.02 on betfair.
1.02 what does that mean?
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Very very short odds. However, I think the real indication is the odds you can lay a manager. This would suggest Garde is still favourite.
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Thomas Tuchel is 1.02 on betfair.
1.02 what does that mean?
Continental odds system, how much you multiply you stake by.
Odds of 2.0 is evens.
In this instance you'd have to bet £10 to win 20p.
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I have just been away for a few days so am a bit behind on things. Last thing I heard we wanted Garde, he wanted us but Lyon's chairman didn't want Garde's coaches to leave. Is this still the case? What is this about Tuchel, I thought he was doing really well at Dortmund?
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well on here Garde is the choosen one, but you forget Randy is a darling and likes to play left field, so what price Steve Bruce
that's how ridiculous this situation is!
FFS get MOYES in
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The point I am trying to make (badly) is that the odds don't always mean that much.
It is a bit like me saying I will give you odds of 1.02 on loads of different managers. It is effectively me offering v stingy odds on loads of people, and hence my payout to you is less costly for me.
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You have to be very careful how you interpret on line betting odds. The companies, perfectly legally employ "rampers" to place bets to manipulate the market. For example suppose Yorke was a 1,000 - 1 to be the next Villa manager with a small outlay a ramper could make it seem that Yorke was gaining support. Gullible gamblers take the bait and the betting organisation grows an income stream from virtually nothing. The ramper is rewarded with a percentage of business he or she generates
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Thomas Tuchel is 1.02 on betfair.
1.02 what does that mean?
Continental odds system, how much you multiply you stake by.
Odds of 2.0 is evens.
In this instance you'd have to bet £10 to win 20p.
cheers
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well on here Garde is the choosen one, but you forget Randy is a darling and likes to play left field, so what price Steve Bruce
that's how ridiculous this situation is!
FFS get MOYES in
If Garde is indeed the 'choosen one', why are you getting hypothetically angry about Steve Bruce?
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Wilkins put a word in on talksport Hoddle getting the villa job yesterday.Inside info or jobs for the boys? Either way I have no faith in the current owners. They have not made 1 successful choice of management in 8 fuckin years!!! O'Neill was chosen by Deadly. We are like an Ocean liner being run by chimps.
Garde would be a very logical choice.
Would he? I really hope your right but what are you basing your opinion on?
Well the fact that a core of our recruitment was stars from the French league, a league which Garde has great knowledge of. He was also used as a liaison between English and French players in the past, which means he might well be able to bring us unity. Also he had an extremely successful spell at Lyon working under similar circumstances to which Villa find themselves in.
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A reason for the delay in appointing Garde and his coaches is that Lyon have a CL match on Wednesday.
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A reason for the delay in appointing Garde and his coaches is that Lyon have a CL match on Wednesday.
How do you know this?
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Thomas Tuchel is 1.02 on betfair.
1.02 what does that mean?
It means if you bet 100 pence you will get back 102 pence. 2 pence extra in you bank account!
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A reason for the delay in appointing Garde and his coaches is that Lyon have a CL match on Wednesday.
How do you know this?
Sorry Monty, I should have said "could be ".
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Thomas Tuchel is 1.02 on betfair.
1.02 what does that mean?
It means if you bet 100 pence you will get back 102 pence. 2 pence extra in you bank account!
Exactly that.
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Thomas Tuchel the newly appointed manager of Dortmund, who is ripping up trees there? Yeah can see that happening.
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Thomas Tuchel the newly appointed manager of Dortmund, who is ripping up trees there? Yeah can see that happening.
Maybe with Lambert as his Assistant
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Prepared PR tweeted deal agreed, retweeted by Tony Daley.
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Thomas Tuchel the newly appointed manager of Dortmund, who is ripping up trees there? Yeah can see that happening.
That is my point about odds.
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Prepared PR tweeted deal agreed, retweeted by Tony Daley.
Which deal? Garde?
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Prepared PR tweeted deal agreed, retweeted by Tony Daley.
Which deal? Garde?
Yes, 3 and half year deal, don't know how reliable they are.
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Prepared PR tweeted deal agreed, retweeted by Tony Daley.
Which deal? Garde?
Yes, 3 and half year deal, don't know how reliable they are.
A mate of a familiar IFA.
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Prepared PR tweeted deal agreed, retweeted by Tony Daley.
Which deal? Garde?
Yes, 3 and half year deal, don't know how reliable they are.
A mate of a familiar IFA.
A PR type who does work with Villa, & presents for Big Centre.
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Prepared PR tweeted deal agreed, retweeted by Tony Daley.
Which deal? Garde?
Yes, 3 and half year deal, don't know how reliable they are.
A mate of a familiar IFA.
A PR type who does work with Villa, & presents for Big Centre.
And used to be the Mail's Villa writer.
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Prepared PR tweeted deal agreed, retweeted by Tony Daley.
Which deal? Garde?
Yes, 3 and half year deal, don't know how reliable they are.
A mate of a familiar IFA.
A PR type who does work with Villa, & presents for Big Centre.
And used to be the Mail's Villa writer.
I may be naive but I can't see Tony Daley (legend) retweeting this without having full confidence it's true. Lay your money down and hold onto your berets...the French are coming and I for one am excited (again...I may be naive though!)
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Prepared PR tweeted deal agreed, retweeted by Tony Daley.
Which deal? Garde?
Yes, 3 and half year deal, don't know how reliable they are.
A mate of a familiar IFA.
A PR type who does work with Villa, & presents for Big Centre.
And used to be the Mail's Villa writer.
What is her name?
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All bets are 1/1 now!
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All bets are 1/1 now!
I suggest you pile your entire savings on Garde while you can, then.
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I want Klopp. I'm so bloody jealous of that mob getting him, his post match I've just seen on MOTD is great. Benteke finding the net too. fucking Scousers.
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Prepared PR tweeted deal agreed, retweeted by Tony Daley.
Which deal? Garde?
Yes, 3 and half year deal, don't know how reliable they are.
A mate of a familiar IFA.
A PR type who does work with Villa, & presents for Big Centre.
And used to be the Mail's Villa writer.
What is her name?
Is it Lisa Smith?
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Just looking at his Twitter page, Tony Daley is built like a brick shithouse. I know he does fitness training or something like that. I had no idea it was to that extent.
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Prepared PR tweeted deal agreed, retweeted by Tony Daley.
Which deal? Garde?
Yes, 3 and half year deal, don't know how reliable they are.
The three and half year deal was being suggested yesterday in the Telegraph.
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Sorry if I'm being a bit thick, but what's IFA mean?
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I have had a few quid while I could still get evens. When the Lyon president is saying he is flattered that Villa have completed the appointment, it is not far away is it.
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Where's he said that Ozz? Had a few quid on it myself
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I have had a few quid while I could still get evens. When the Lyon president is saying he is flattered that Villa have completed the appointment, it is not far away is it.
Ozz, is he talking just about Garde or the assistants too. Garde no longer works there so I'm just wondering in what context he's flattered?
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It is about Garde, on Twitter quoted a few times now.
Interesting article from Lee Dixon in the Mirror about how he and Garde got on well, and they spent a lot of time together when he was out injured. One of the few pundits I genuinely like Dixon, could happily cope with him on our coaching team.
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I want Klopp. I'm so bloody jealous of that mob getting him, his post match I've just seen on MOTD is great. Benteke finding the net too. fucking Scousers.
They played well today. Took the game to Chelsea and no recognised striker for most of match. Chelsea looked dire mind
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Yes, Lee Dixon is an articulate type of pundit. Sky, take note! So, Garde may be at Tottenham on Monday night after all.
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Just had a scout round, Coral is best odds, 10/11
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It is about Garde, on Twitter quoted a few times now.
Interesting article from Lee Dixon in the Mirror about how he and Garde got on well, and they spent a lot of time together when he was out injured. One of the few pundits I genuinely like Dixon, could happily cope with him on our coaching team.
Yep seen it now. Appears we have settled for the assistants too which was a matter of time. Probably why Randy took his motor out there to finalize things.
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It is about Garde, on Twitter quoted a few times now.
Interesting article from Lee Dixon in the Mirror about how he and Garde got on well, and they spent a lot of time together when he was out injured. One of the few pundits I genuinely like Dixon, could happily cope with him on our coaching team.
Yep seen it now. Appears we have settled for the assistants too which was a matter of time. Probably why Randy took his motor out there to finalize things.
Where did you see the bit about the assistants?
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I have had a few £s on Garde; hopefully a more successful bet than my last which was on Solskjaer being our next Manager!
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I do think the idea of bringing Duverne back who knows the place from before is a decent idea, and surely he should be much easier to get out of a 2nd division side.
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I do think the idea of bringing Duverne back who knows the place from before is a decent idea, and surely he should be much easier to get out of a 2nd division side.
well of all our woeful recent seasons wasn't the one he was at the club the one we finished strongest?
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I do think the idea of bringing Duverne back who knows the place from before is a decent idea, and surely he should be much easier to get out of a 2nd division side.
well of all our woeful recent seasons wasn't the one he was at the club the one we finished strongest?
I reckon the strongest finish would be Lambert's first season.
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We beat Arsenal away and Liverpool home back to back at the end of that season though. The Lambert one we played some great stuff mind. Never ever repeated it though!
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I do think the idea of bringing Duverne back who knows the place from before is a decent idea, and surely he should be much easier to get out of a 2nd division side.
well of all our woeful recent seasons wasn't the one he was at the club the one we finished strongest?
I reckon the strongest finish would be Lambert's first season.
In part I was referring to how we looked fitness wise. We looked sharp at the end of the Houllier season and some of that goes down to RD who appears to coming back. Given how unfit or blunt we've looked so far he'll be a useful addition.
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I agree he will be, but I don't think that we looked any fitter end of that season than we did end of Lambert's first. We scored a fair few late goals that Lambert season. Ah, late goals that meant something, such happy memories.
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Trivial I know but you can(almost) make regain dream as an a organ of Remi Garde.
Sad I know but I'm awake while the rest are sleeping off Halloween.
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Bloody spell checker organ should read a anogram
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It is about Garde, on Twitter quoted a few times now.
Interesting article from Lee Dixon in the Mirror about how he and Garde got on well, and they spent a lot of time together when he was out injured. One of the few pundits I genuinely like Dixon, could happily cope with him on our
coaching team.
Yep seen it now. Appears we have settled for the assistants too which was a matter of time. Probably why Randy took his motor out there to finalize things.
Where did you see the bit about the assistants?
Yeah where are people reading this?
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Bloody spell checker organ should read a anogram
the original sounded more interesting though!!
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:)
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There's a clip on a website called sport witness about duverene coming
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Spell checker sees all, knows all. Remi as an organ of our reborn body is perfect imagery. Besides Remi is an anagram of mire which is what we are neck deep in.
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Did this cross club cominghomenewcastle (http://cominghomenewcastle.sbnation.com/2015/1/7/7506105/meeting-remi-garde-the-new-clear-favorite-to-be-toon-boss) bit of deja vu get posted? I found it an interesting read, someone did a bit of research anyway, interesting quotes.
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Trivial I know but you can(almost) make regain dream as an a organ of Remi Garde.
Sad I know but I'm awake while the rest are sleeping off Halloween.
Hopefully in the winter transfer window he'll prove to be a Gem Raider to help get us out of the Dear Grime of this Raged Mire, although presumably he may just make our Gestede battering Ram Edgier.
It might turn out to be a pretty Rad Regime if he gets all his lieutenants, maybe we'll be in for a Mega Ride(r) rather than continue the Direr Game Tactics trajectory.
Ok I'm bored now, go knock yourself out with anagrams (http://wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=RemiGarde&t=1000&a=n)
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It is about Garde, on Twitter quoted a few times now.
Interesting article from Lee Dixon in the Mirror about how he and Garde got on well, and they spent a lot of time together when he was out injured. One of the few pundits I genuinely like Dixon, could happily cope with him on our coaching team.
Yep seen it now. Appears we have settled for the assistants too which was a matter of time. Probably why Randy took his motor out there to finalize things.
Where did you see the bit about the assistants?
Just from that same tweet. Nothing concrete I grant you, but the club have taken some time over this so hopefully they are coming back with everything they want.
@preparedpr: Remi Garde has agreed a three-and-a-half year deal with #AVFC. Club confident in agreeing comp for Lyon coaches Genesio and Baticle. #UTV
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Fingers crossed - both that they agree the comp and that the appointment in general works out.
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Did this cross club cominghomenewcastle (http://cominghomenewcastle.sbnation.com/2015/1/7/7506105/meeting-remi-garde-the-new-clear-favorite-to-be-toon-boss) bit of deja vu get posted? I found it an interesting read, someone did a bit of research anyway, interesting quotes.
Thank you. Interesting article.
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My ex-missus is widely known as Mad Ange. No-one has the nerve to say it to her though, not even the SAS.
Is that Angie who was in my year at school?
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My ex-missus is widely known as Mad Ange. No-one has the nerve to say it to her though, not even the SAS.
Is that Angie who was in my year at school?
That's the one.
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I hope if it is all agreed that they either announce today or leave it till Tuesday, tomorrow should all be about the Spuds match, no need for any distractions. The players will be off on Tuesday after the game, so get him in then and ready to give them hell on Wednesday.
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Did this cross club cominghomenewcastle (http://cominghomenewcastle.sbnation.com/2015/1/7/7506105/meeting-remi-garde-the-new-clear-favorite-to-be-toon-boss) bit of deja vu get posted? I found it an interesting read, someone did a bit of research anyway, interesting quotes.
Thank you. Interesting article.
Yes thank you. Remi does seem the perfect fit for us. Not just because of our financial constraints but the players we purchased this summer. I can see Gana being our main man in the middle and Ayew and maybe a new signing forming a partnership up front. I hope he gets the best out of Veretout, there is a very good player there.
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Harry Redknapp says No but what about Rex the dog? Who is this just in Edinburgh chap?
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don't know if posted elsewhere but relegation is going to cost us approx. 70 million!!
we need a manager in now,hopefully garde, and to hit the ground running.
the next 6 months are as critical to our future as any in our history
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If we go down Randy will sell us off to first offer. He is responsible for our dilemma. Letting Martin O'Neill go was the start of it. Go back to Cleveland Browns Randy, you understand that better. Differnt times but lower level teams had biggest ever crowds playing villa 35 plus years ago. Randy it is supporter devotion that keeps you on board. Sty away for 3-4 matches and rattle.his money box for him..he'll sell!
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If we go down Randy will sell us off to first offer. He is responsible for our dilemma. Letting Martin O'Neill go was the start of it. Go back to Cleveland Browns Randy, you understand that better. Differnt times but lower level teams had biggest ever crowds playing villa 35 plus years ago. Randy it is supporter devotion that keeps you on board. Sty away for 3-4 matches and rattle.his money box for him..he'll sell!
I think not letting O'Neill go earlier was the start of it.
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Harry Redknapp says No but what about Rex the dog? Who is this just in Edinburgh chap?
Rosie the dog has passed on. Edinburgh played for Spurs,full back. Sherwood probably knows him!
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Did this cross club cominghomenewcastle (http://cominghomenewcastle.sbnation.com/2015/1/7/7506105/meeting-remi-garde-the-new-clear-favorite-to-be-toon-boss) bit of deja vu get posted? I found it an interesting read, someone did a bit of research anyway, interesting quotes.
Thank you. Interesting article.
Yes thank you. Remi does seem the perfect fit for us. Not just because of our financial constraints but the players we purchased this summer. I can see Gana being our main man in the middle and Ayew and maybe a new signing forming a partnership up front. I hope he gets the best out of Veretout, there is a very good player there.
Glad it's of interest. Central in that is a lengthy 2013 frenchfootballweekly.com (http://frenchfootballweekly.com/2013/04/28/olympique-lyonnais-the-tactical-debrief/)tactical analysis article I didn't wade through.
That site however has a low-fi podcast (http://gib2504.hipcast.com/deluge/gib2504-20151027174117-4704.mp3) from this week that discusses Remi Remi, nothing especially new but the couple of apparently knowledgable Brits discuss if it's a good move for him and think we should feel very positive about it, and are pleased to be seeing him likely back into the hot seat, all fits with our hopeful/positive analysis.
"Is Remi Garde the best option for Aston Villa, the pod discusses what he can bring."
46.00 for 5mins
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If we go down Randy will sell us off to first offer. He is responsible for our dilemma. Letting Martin O'Neill go was the start of it. Go back to Cleveland Browns Randy, you understand that better. Differnt times but lower level teams had biggest ever crowds playing villa 35 plus years ago. Randy it is supporter devotion that keeps you on board. Sty away for 3-4 matches and rattle.his money box for him..he'll sell!
I think not letting O'Neill go earlier was the start of it.
O'Neill should have gone after the 2nd 6th place. He should not have been given the thick end of £50M to buy an entire back 4 12 months after spending £40M on his first attempt.
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Even though in hindsight that might seem right, given all that transpired since but at the time that would have been completely nuts. He shouldn't have been fired. He should have been controlled and if that led to his walk out a year early, so be it. We wouldn't have been in as desperate a financial position and maybe we could have got it whatever mess we were in faster.
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Even though in hindsight that might seem right, given all that transpired since but at the time that would have been completely nuts. He shouldn't have been fired. He should have been controlled and if that led to his walk out a year early, so be it. We wouldn't have been in as desperate a financial position and maybe we could have got it whatever mess we were in faster.
People always say that, but look at Watford bringing in Quique or Southampton firing Adkins in favour of Pochettino. Sometimes you have to recognise when the guy in charge has taken you as far as he can, and it's time to upgrade. It would have looked unfair, but it wouldn't have had a better manager took us into the Champions' League the year after - and some on here (not me, I have to admit) were suggesting so at the time.
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Even though in hindsight that might seem right, given all that transpired since but at the time that would have been completely nuts. He shouldn't have been fired. He should have been controlled and if that led to his walk out a year early, so be it. We wouldn't have been in as desperate a financial position and maybe we could have got it whatever mess we were in faster.
That's my point though.
If when he presented his list of transfer targets that summer, someone had said, "Another new back 4? You're having a laugh. Go away and come back when you want to be serious," either he'd have played ball or walked. Win-win for us.
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Even though in hindsight that might seem right, given all that transpired since but at the time that would have been completely nuts. He shouldn't have been fired. He should have been controlled and if that led to his walk out a year early, so be it. We wouldn't have been in as desperate a financial position and maybe we could have got it whatever mess we were in faster.
People always say that, but look at Watford bringing in Quique or Southampton firing Adkins in favour of Pochettino. Sometimes you have to recognise when the guy in charge has taken you as far as he can, and it's time to upgrade. It would have looked unfair, but it wouldn't have had a better manager took us into the Champions' League the year after - and some on here (not me, I have to admit) were suggesting so at the time.
How many examples exist where a club fires a manager when things are going well? And Southampton didn't finish 6th in back to back seasons. They were sat just above the relegation zone when Adkins got the boot.
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Even though in hindsight that might seem right, given all that transpired since but at the time that would have been completely nuts. He shouldn't have been fired. He should have been controlled and if that led to his walk out a year early, so be it. We wouldn't have been in as desperate a financial position and maybe we could have got it whatever mess we were in faster.
That's my point though.
If when he presented his list of transfer targets that summer, someone had said, "Another new back 4? You're having a laugh. Go away and come back when you want to be serious," either he'd have played ball or walked. Win-win for us.
Not the same as being fired though. The issue is as it has been throughout most of Randy's ownership is that there hasn't been a consistent well thought out plan and under MON very few controls in place. Add to that a massively stubborn individual. A recipe for disaster.
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That's exactly my point though. Southampton were doing, according to most people, easily as well as could be expected - but it turns out that most people were wrong, that Southampton could do better, and Pocchettino and Koeman have shown it.
If you look at our performance relative to other clubs back then, many argued we were performing at our maximum as a club. With hindsight, however, we clearly weren't, and paid the price. As to how many clubs sack managers when things are going well enough, well, most don't - most do what we did, namely sit around until the manager's enormous flaws become ever more prominent, until its too late and your moment has passed. It's no good just doing what most clubs do, because most clubs don't do well in the top division - you have to be exceptional to succeed, not conventional.
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Even though in hindsight that might seem right, given all that transpired since but at the time that would have been completely nuts. He shouldn't have been fired. He should have been controlled and if that led to his walk out a year early, so be it. We wouldn't have been in as desperate a financial position and maybe we could have got it whatever mess we were in faster.
That's my point though.
If when he presented his list of transfer targets that summer, someone had said, "Another new back 4? You're having a laugh. Go away and come back when you want to be serious," either he'd have played ball or walked. Win-win for us.
Not the same as being fired though. The issue is as it has been throughout most of Randy's ownership is that there hasn't been a consistent well thought out plan and under MON very few controls in place. Add to that a massively stubborn individual. A recipe for disaster.
I didn't say he should have been fired, I said that he should have gone, although in hindsight I can see why it would be interpreted that way.
Firing him outright at that point would have been poisonous, unless a replacement came in and improved on results and performances pretty much straight away.
Easier said than done, but we really should have said stop that summer, and the complete new back 4 should have been the thing that set alarm bells ringing.
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Hindsight United - unbeaten league champions since 1888.
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Your quite right, hindsight is wonderful.
Doesn't alter the fact that if I turn round to my site director and say I want to use £40M on a project to solve a serious problem and 12 months later go back and ask for a further £50M because I got the first design so badly wrong it had to be scrapped, I'd get laughed out of her office, probably with the Danish equivalent of a P45 following me as a paper plane.
I'm just incredulous over a business "investing" 50% of it's annual turnover had no oversight and financial control.
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Hindsight United - unbeaten league champions since 1888.
you could have that on a t shirt
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Your quite right, hindsight is wonderful.
Doesn't alter the fact that if I turn round to my site director and say I want to use £40M on a project to solve a serious problem and 12 months later go back and ask for a further £50M because I got the first design so badly wrong it had to be scrapped, I'd get laughed out of her office, probably with the Danish equivalent of a P45 following me as a paper plane.
I'm just incredulous over a business "investing" 50% of it's annual turnover had no oversight and financial control.
That's football for you. No board has ever been praised by supporters for refusing a manager money, not least one as popular as O'Neill.
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The other factor which legitimises hindsight to a substantial degree is that we onlookers can only piece together what should or should not have happened from what has come into the public domain. The people on whom the onus rests for action to correct situations as they arise were there dealing with the symptoms and fall out from things starting to go awry.
O'Neill did not suddenly start being stupid with Randy's money no more than Karsa and Culverhouse suddenly started (allegedly) bullying young players. There is a point at which foresight and hindsight meet. Your ability to do your job is knowing when that point has been reached and acting accordingly.
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When talking about MON and the mess he was allowed to get us into, financially, it is worth pointing out that in that 2006-10 spell, a lot of us actually were pointing out the finances - and specifically the wage bill - and it got raised on General Krulak's thread plenty of times.
The answer was "money - don't worry, we know what we're doing".
Only it turned out they didn't.
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Your quite right, hindsight is wonderful.
Doesn't alter the fact that if I turn round to my site director and say I want to use £40M on a project to solve a serious problem and 12 months later go back and ask for a further £50M because I got the first design so badly wrong it had to be scrapped, I'd get laughed out of her office, probably with the Danish equivalent of a P45 following me as a paper plane.
I'm just incredulous over a business "investing" 50% of it's annual turnover had no oversight and financial control.
That's football for you. No board has ever been praised by supporters for refusing a manager money, not least one as popular as O'Neill.
Indeed.
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Hindsight or not, any business is going to be in trouble where there's not a solid and experienced management team and a clear plan and blueprint for the next 10 years. We appointed a call office manager as CEO who knew little about football and blindly trusted O'Neill to get it right.
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Hindsight or not, any business is going to be in trouble where there's not a solid and experienced management team and a clear plan and blueprint for the next 10 years. We appointed a call office manager as CEO who knew little about football and blindly trusted O'Neill to get it right.
And ironically, now we actually do have a management team rather than a manager, the media are using it to smack across our arses because we sacked their special friend.
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Betfair have now got Christophe Galtier as favourite ahead of Remi Garde....so are we to presume that our new manager has to be French?
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Betfair have now got Christophe Galtier as favourite ahead of Remi Garde....so are we to presume that our new manager has to be French?
No, but we can presume that the betting companies haven't got a scoobies.
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Betfair have now got Christophe Galtier as favourite ahead of Remi Garde....so are we to presume that our new manager has to be French?
It would be stunning with everything being said by people who are legitimately ITK about goings on at Villa to now go in a completely different direction or simply away from Garde. I expect him to be announced early this week.
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Betfair have now got Christophe Galtier as favourite ahead of Remi Garde....so are we to presume that our new manager has to be French?
No, but we can presume that the betting companies haven't got a scoobies.
It's the punters who don't have a clue.
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Looking at the prices on Oddschecker, we have Garde and Gaultier at very very short odds, then a massive gap to 16/1 or so for Moyes, followed by a few names I genuinely have never heard of.
It's at the same time the most clear and most confusing manager search I can remember.
I red hot favourite (who himself came from nowhere last weekend) then one other at low price, then basically, nobody has a clue.
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Betfair have now got Christophe Galtier as favourite ahead of Remi Garde....so are we to presume that our new manager has to be French?
No, but we can presume that the betting companies haven't got a scoobies.
It's the punters who don't have a clue.
You're right :-[.
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Looking at the prices on Oddschecker, we have Garde and Gaultier at very very short odds, then a massive gap to 16/1 or so for Moyes, followed by a few names I genuinely have never heard of.
It's at the same time the most clear and most confusing manager search I can remember.
I red hot favourite (who himself came from nowhere last weekend) then one other at low price, then basically, nobody has a clue.
For me I've tried to restrict myself to a few voices. Auclair and Laurens who essentially went with the story very early on and have said nothing since to remove themselves from the story. Wenger recently and then Kevin MacDonald the other day pretty much confirming things. After that it's betting sites that don't amount much of anything, your usual made up bollocks like links to Justin Edingurgh and Gus Poyet and a bunch of idiots in the English media touting their mates.
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As many on here I think I am stuck in some sort of football manager appointment time warp! I know in reality it hasn't been that long since TS departure but the voice in my head is continually getting louder "FFS is this not sorted out yet?!!" The voice is loud but I know it is still someway off the maximum of 11 (which is the frightening part - think I'm on a 6). The minutes seem like hours when you cast your eyes at our league position and you're hoping for Newcastle, Sunderland, Bournemouth and Norwich to lose and you're listening to podcasts about French football where the hosts say we're not a big club with the same expectation levels as Newcastle FFS.
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As many on here I think I am stuck in some sort of football manager appointment time warp! I know in reality it hasn't been that long since TS departure but the voice in my head is continually getting louder "FFS is this not sorted out yet?!!" The voice is loud but I know it is still someway off the maximum of 11 (which is the frightening part - think I'm on a 6). The minutes seem like hours when you cast your eyes at our league position and you're hoping for Newcastle, Sunderland, Bournemouth and Norwich to lose and you're listening to podcasts about French football where the hosts say we're not a big club with the same expectation levels as Newcastle FFS.
Maybe it seems longer to us because most of us thought the recruitment process should have started immediately after the Stoke game. Maybe it did.
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It really isn't very long so far. It just seems that way as we're so keen to get it sorted and stop burning points.
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Martin Tyler just said something odd in the Saints game, in advertising MNF. Something like currently manager less but that might change even before we finish here, keep tuned for the latest.
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I noticed this but thought I'd misheard, as the dog was barking in my other ear!! Somethings happening in B6
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I think he was just saying that something could happen between now and the Spurs match.
Although I'm probably wrong.
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Martin Tyler just said something odd in the Saints game, in advertising MNF. Something like currently manager less but that might change even before we finish here, keep tuned for the latest.
onto that one too
he seemed to correct himself as if hed said too much
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Big disparity between the fans choice of next manager on here and on the Birmingham Mail site wirh 72% going for Moyes and 19% Garde.
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Twitter rumours that Rennes who are now in search for a new manager have Remi on their shortlist
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I think he was just saying that something could happen between now and the Spurs match.
Although I'm probably wrong.
He was saying that but did also say there could be news before the end of the programme. I think it was just a throw-away line though.
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Remi Garde is going to be the manager it all points to this its just a matter of when not if
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Seems like it but ITCOTB (in the coat, on the bench).
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Garde is still 5/6. Decent odds if he's looking nailed on?
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11/10 on sky bet
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Odds coming in on betfair too, as are odds to lay.
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Big disparity between the fans choice of next manager on here and on the Birmingham Mail site wirh 72% going for Moyes and 19% Garde.
Public poll influenced heavily by other team fans.
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Garde is still 5/6. Decent odds if he's looking nailed on?
Yes I have lumped 50 on that.
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Come right in with most, as far as 1/5 on skybet. Only coral at 4/6 still, the rest much shorter now.
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It's all the Meaning Evil readers lumping on Moyes.
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Patrick Viera has moved up to 3rd favourite overall,
They definitely think we are going French
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Is Ginola in the running yet?
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Rene from 'Allo 'Allo with Vikki Michelle as assistant.
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Rene from 'Allo 'Allo with Vikki Michelle as assistant.
Bring a new meaning to the 'bomb squad'.
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Jean-Pierre Papin was a hero of mine
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It's Platini, isn't it?
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Jean-Pierre Papin was a hero of mine
Unless I'm mistaken I saw him appear for Bordeaux against us at VP back in the day.
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Is Ginola in the running yet?
If Michel Platini applies I am out!
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A return for Didier Six? Matthieu Berson as Assistant?
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Jean-Pierre Papin was a hero of mine
Unless I'm mistaken I saw him appear for Bordeaux against us at VP back in the day.
Yes just wanted to be there to see him as he was possibly the hottest property in Europe at that time but sadly left disappointed.
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Rene from 'Allo 'Allo with Vikki Michelle as assistant.
I would like to bring Vicki Michelle in in some sort of position.
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Ah as a kid growing up Yvette was the way forward. Watching her in the jungle thing last year was a bit of a let down. I felt old.
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A return for Didier Six? Matthieu Berson as Assistant?
I for one would welcome the return of Bagic Berson
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Is Ginola in the running yet?
Well it would be the first time he did any running for us.
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Is Ginola in the running yet?
Well it would be the first time he did any running for us.
Ginola is far too busy, what with being the new Turkish Prime Minister and next president of FIFA. I think he may have offered us his services, something about turning up once a week to give the team talk but the board thanked him and sent him on his way.
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Rene from 'Allo 'Allo with Vikki Michelle as assistant.
Bring a new meaning to the 'bomb squad'.
And the fallen Maradonna with the big boobies
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Been trading next Villa manager market on Betfair for a couple of days - odds just shortened on Garde even more - I last lumped on at 1.4 a couple of hours ago and its down to 1.1ish which is the biggest shift i've seen last couple of hours
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Been trading next Villa manager market on Betfair for a couple of days - odds just shortened on Garde even more - I last lumped on at 1.4 a couple of hours ago and its down to 1.1ish which is the biggest shift i've seen last couple of hours
I had 20 quid at 20/1 (on Garde) last Sunday afternoon. Literally ten mins later, I thought I'd have another tenner or so, so went back and in that time he had come in to 4/6.
It was all over twitter when I looked, but I wonder where these nuggets of information appear from that shift prices like that.
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Canal Plus reporting he will join with Reginald Ray as assistant - odds are less than 1/10 now
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Reginald Ray?
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Been trading next Villa manager market on Betfair for a couple of days - odds just shortened on Garde even more - I last lumped on at 1.4 a couple of hours ago and its down to 1.1ish which is the biggest shift i've seen last couple of hours
I had 20 quid at 20/1 (on Garde) last Sunday afternoon. Literally ten mins later, I thought I'd have another tenner or so, so went back and in that time he had come in to 4/6.
It was all over twitter when I looked, but I wonder where these nuggets of information appear from that shift prices like that.
This is a tiny market on Betfair so a lot of it will move quickly due to small betting amounts. Even some of the small bets I've been placing have caused the odds to move. Just now the odds on Garde are down to the 1.02-1.05 range. Cant see a specific reason for it and looked on the Betfair chat forum but no intel there. Can't imagine anything would be announced tonite but someone in the genuine know might be hoovering up any value that the market is offering. Just checked on odds checker (shows odds for a number of bookies so worth using if you want to quickly find the best odds) and the market looks like its all but closed.
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Been trading next Villa manager market on Betfair for a couple of days - odds just shortened on Garde even more - I last lumped on at 1.4 a couple of hours ago and its down to 1.1ish which is the biggest shift i've seen last couple of hours
I had 20 quid at 20/1 (on Garde) last Sunday afternoon. Literally ten mins later, I thought I'd have another tenner or so, so went back and in that time he had come in to 4/6.
It was all over twitter when I looked, but I wonder where these nuggets of information appear from that shift prices like that.
This is a tiny market on Betfair so a lot of it will move quickly due to small betting amounts. Even some of the small bets I've been placing have caused the odds to move. Just now the odds on Garde are down to the 1.02-1.05 range. Cant see a specific reason for it and looked on the Betfair chat forum but no intel there. Can't imagine anything would be announced tonite but someone in the genuine know might be hoovering up any value that the market is offering. Just checked on odds checker (shows odds for a number of bookies so worth using if you want to quickly find the best odds) and the market looks like its all but closed.
Don't next manager markets generally get closed overnight?
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Manager markets usually close overnight.
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Reginald Ray?
He is the bad scarecrow in Julia Donaldsons "The Scarecrows Wedding"
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Hindsight or not, any business is going to be in trouble where there's not a solid and experienced management team and a clear plan and blueprint for the next 10 years. We appointed a call office manager as CEO who knew little about football and blindly trusted O'Neill to get it right.
That's only partially true, we appointed a couple of guys with a decent pedigree but both left pretty swiftly. Apologies I cannot remember their names. It would have been interesting if the club had undertaken proper exit interviews as the rumours were that MON basically wanted to run everything and made their jobs untenable. If this was known to randy - twice - then it is pretty damning that they did nothing about it or chose to solely trust MON.
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Hindsight or not, any business is going to be in trouble where there's not a solid and experienced management team and a clear plan and blueprint for the next 10 years. We appointed a call office manager as CEO who knew little about football and blindly trusted O'Neill to get it right.
That's only partially true, we appointed a couple of guys with a decent pedigree but both left pretty swiftly. Apologies I cannot remember their names. It would have been interesting if the club had undertaken proper exit interviews as the rumours were that MON basically wanted to run everything and made their jobs untenable. If this was known to randy - twice - then it is pretty damning that they did nothing about it or chose to solely trust MON.
Richard FitzGerald - who didn't have a background in football, and left after losing a power battle with MON and Michael Cunnah, who was here such a short period of time, I doubt they even had his business cards printed
The FitzGerald thing (the rucks with O'Neill) I got from a contact high up at 32 Red (negotiated the sponsorship deal with Doug) who was also a close friend of his. MON was having none of it.
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/6720878/Remi-Garde-to-be-confirmed-as-Aston-Villa-boss.html
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Cunnah was an odd one. He arrived with a (reported) brief to rebuild the North Stand, him coming led to FitzGerald going, then he left not long after.
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Hindsight or not, any business is going to be in trouble where there's not a solid and experienced management team and a clear plan and blueprint for the next 10 years. We appointed a call office manager as CEO who knew little about football and blindly trusted O'Neill to get it right.
That's only partially true, we appointed a couple of guys with a decent pedigree but both left pretty swiftly. Apologies I cannot remember their names. It would have been interesting if the club had undertaken proper exit interviews as the rumours were that MON basically wanted to run everything and made their jobs untenable. If this was known to randy - twice - then it is pretty damning that they did nothing about it or chose to solely trust MON.
Well remembered. One of them was called Fitzgerald I think?
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Sunsport just tweeted Garde being announced tomorrow morning.
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Problem was that Lerner had all and sundry telling him how wonderful O'Neill was, so I guess he was happy to trust him to run the place.
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Cunnah leaving was the best thing.
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Reginald Ray?
Voodoo's brother.
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I'm fully on board with Garde, shame he couldn't bring his prefered assistant though.
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Reginald Ray?
He is the bad scarecrow in Julia Donaldsons "The Scarecrows Wedding"
Just keep him away from the cigars.
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So who is this Reginald Ray then? Anyone any clue?
Genosio and Baticle said to have said farewell to fans and players after their game according to some of their fans.
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@CanalFootClub On Twitter
"@CanalFootClub: Info #CFC - Rémi Garde va entraîner Aston Villa. Réginald Ray serait l'un de ses adjoints."
Twitter translates to: Info #CFC- Rémi Garde will lead Aston Villa. Réginald Ray would be one of his deputies.
The Reggie Ray most searches will bring up is a very well respected Amercian Buddhist teacher, a very embodied meditation teacher, but here is our man https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Réginald_Ray (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Réginald_Ray)
Or google translate's version (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&nv=1&prev=_t&rurl=translate.googleusercontent.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%25C3%25A9ginald_Ray&usg=ALkJrhiqAT8_RzJwXQ8entIqSguzSeueMQ) click on bio for a bit more
The sun article
"ASTON VILLA will confirm Remi Garde as their new manager tomorrow morning.
The French boss, 49, will take over after Tim Sherwood was sacked last month.
Bastia assistant boss Reginald Ray will join the coaching staff as Villa Park as Garde’s No2.
Villa play Tottenham at White Hart Lane tomorrow evening — but Garde will not be in the dugout for the must-win clash.
He takes over a side currently sitting bottom of the Premier League with just one win in their opening 10 games."
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Bastia assistant manager it would seem, and a forwards coach. Interesting Canal says he will be one of his deputies, which suggests there will be more to come in.
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Bastia assistant manager it would seem, and a forwards coach. Interesting Canal says he will be one of his deputies, which suggests there will be more to come in.
Bringing Ronnie Ray too.
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Book closed on Skybet
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Bastia assistant manager it would seem, and a forwards coach. Interesting Canal says he will be one of his deputies, which suggests there will be more to come in.
Well I really hope there is such a role as "stop making stupid mistakes coach" and Remi finds and appoints him. This has been one of our many downfalls since MON left.
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Well this seems a nice way to end the weekend. To come to a basket case like us shows that he must have belief in his own ability and would be confident in turning us around.
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I said when Lambert was in charge that Lerner and Co. seem to be quite bland and prehistoric in their appointments. I wanted a foreign coach with a CV of winning something and being in the Champions League like other clubs have in this league.
I'm happy with him but he has a bloody tough job.
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We are not a basket case. We have relatively few points but we need a relatively small improvement in performance to be competitive. Also we haven't shipped six goals against a mid-table side like Everton
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We are not a basket case. We have relatively few points but we need a relatively small improvement in performance to be competitive. Also we haven't shipped six goals against a mid-table side like Everton
I'd have waited until after tomorrow's game to post that Damon, just in case.
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well done all you boys who wanted Garde, you've got your wish apparently,
Moyes was the safe hands for me,
But Remi seems top be numero uno,
So now I will be with the rest of the Holte to welcome the new King,
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Delighted with the pending appointment, really does seem an ideal fit for us. But how many times have we said that before...
Sure ideally the change would have been made last summer or certainly over the recent international break at the latest. Tiger Tim's record of 4 points from a possible 30 is absolutely shocking.
Huge challenge and we somehow need to pick up momentum over Xmas, next three games will tell a lot.
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Surely it's time for his own thread!
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So he's not getting his assistant then?
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If Moyes was that interested he would have thrown his hat in the ring, Tony E and others.
I can't be doing with a half hearted 'chase me and I'll see' mentality. This is the Villa and he just doesn't get it. Unlike Remi Garde.
I guess it's really, 'en Garde!'
This team just needs somebody to sharpen the focus and get some goals. We have not conceded that many, compared to teams around us.
Back on course by Christmas, Remi, please!
Welcome to Villa.
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I saw a tweet which said..... Chocolate Fire Garde.
Made me laugh :)
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We are not a basket case. We have relatively few points but we need a relatively small improvement in performance to be competitive. Also we haven't shipped six goals against a mid-table side like Everton
I'd have waited until after tomorrow's game to post that Damon, just in case.
Good point.
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So who is this Reginald Ray then? Anyone any clue?
Here he is on Video..
Young guy, seems relatively well balanced....for now!...........Godzvilla!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xwusjj_portrait-de-reginald-ray_sport
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I do wonder why someone with a good rep like garde would want to come here. Money perhaps!
We're joint favourites to go down and that's probably about right. I'd say it's probably about 60-40 in favour of the drop.
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I do wonder why someone with a good rep like garde would want to come here. Money perhaps!
Not getting at you in particular, but this self-loathing and low self esteem thing that comes out is really depressing.
We're one of the most successful teams in English football, we play at a stadium which oozes history, we're an ever present in the most important league in world football, and we are massively, massively underachieving to the point that a coach with even half a brain cell could improve us sufficiently to be considered to have done a great job.
The reason we can attract players and managers better than, say, Leicester City, who are currently flying high, is because of the above.
As Veretout said in that interview the other day, he wanted to come here, not Leicester, because Aston Villa is a name in football.
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I do wonder why someone with a good rep like garde would want to come here. Money perhaps!
We're joint favourites to go down and that's probably about right. I'd say it's probably about 60-40 in favour of the drop.
Because he's looked at the squad, some of the frankly suicidal formations, selections and substitutions his predecessor had made this season and thought to himself, I can sort that out, enhance my reputation and earn a few bob whilst I'm at it.
And if I can win that Coupe de FA thing, apparently I'm guaranteed legend status.
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My boss (Liverpool fan) said the other day that it would be a massive tragedy if we drop. He's followed Liverpool around Europe and been to many great grounds. He loves our ground, the atmosphere and he also remembers our night in Rotterdam.
Oh he would take the piss but inside he knows what a great club we are.
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So he's not getting his assistant then?
Rumour has it the 2 from Lyon have being saying their farewells to players and fans this weekend...?
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This is probably nothing, and I'm certainly not claiming to be ITK or anything, but drove past Bodymoor earlier (en route to Kingsbury) and a rather expensive looking white Mercedes pulled out with French number plates.
I appreciate that it could have been one of the players, (I don't know their cars), but still... I did wonder.
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I do wonder why someone with a good rep like garde would want to come here. Money perhaps!
Not getting at you in particular, but this self-loathing and low self esteem thing that comes out is really depressing.
We're one of the most successful teams in English football, we play at a stadium which oozes history, we're an ever present in the most important league in world football, and we are massively, massively underachieving to the point that a coach with even half a brain cell could improve us sufficiently to be considered to have done a great job.
The reason we can attract players and managers better than, say, Leicester City, who are currently flying high, is because of the above.
As Veretout said in that interview the other day, he wanted to come here, not Leicester, because Aston Villa is a name in football.
One of the most successful teams in English football ?
Yes. But two centuries ago.
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So he's not getting his assistant then?
Rumour has it the 2 from Lyon have being saying their farewells to players and fans this weekend...?
Well I hope so, fingers crossed.
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Just announced on BT Sport during the Lazio v Milan match.
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So a Bastia assistant manager. Can he be the man to save us?
Course 'e can.
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Whatever the future holds - bring it on.
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I do wonder why someone with a good rep like garde would want to come here. Money perhaps!
Not getting at you in particular, but this self-loathing and low self esteem thing that comes out is really depressing.
We're one of the most successful teams in English football, we play at a stadium which oozes history, we're an ever present in the most important league in world football, and we are massively, massively underachieving to the point that a coach with even half a brain cell could improve us sufficiently to be considered to have done a great job.
The reason we can attract players and managers better than, say, Leicester City, who are currently flying high, is because of the above.
As Veretout said in that interview the other day, he wanted to come here, not Leicester, because Aston Villa is a name in football.
One of the most successful teams in English football ?
Yes. But two centuries ago.
We weren't one of only five English clubs to win the European Cup, or five-time League Cup winners, or Premier League ever-presents, or European Super Cup winners, two centuries ago.
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So a Bastia assistant manager. Can he be the man to save us?
Course 'e can.
Tres Bon.
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It's always a risk, but this looks a wise move.
I think he's got enough of a track record to be given a go, and unless Moyes wanted to come for a more Premier experienced safe pair of hands, I'm happy with this man I knew little about, but like everything I've read about.
An only concern might be his one club fair success under constraint was within a structure/club he had been within for a few years, he knew the youth he was going to bring through. It'll take him time to know our set up, but the crop of French talent seems ripe for his shaping.
I really hope he's in the stand tomorrow night, it had felt a rather madochistic fixture to get a ticket for but living in London and unusually free on Monday I couldn't not go.
It'll give us a buzz if he's there, and have the players needing to prove themselves...
So we still need that song???
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The sad thing is it seems many of us think of Aston Villa football club as a small club. Utter tosh. An Arsenal mate of mine was taking the p the other night and I asked if he had seen his team win the top European trophy like I had in Rotterdam 26/5/82. It may be a long time ago, but our club is well known throughout the football world and maybe sometimes we should remember that
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Tonight I am especially happy for Mont and TV and VID and Mr U and all the other posters who have been longing for us to appoint a thinking, progressive manager.
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Tonight I am especially happy for Mont and TV and VID and Mr U and all the other posters who have been longing for us to appoint a thinking, progressive manager.
I'm especially happy for everyone who lumped on at 20/1.
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Starting to get excited again. I am getting that new manager enthusiasm bounce! Yes I know history says I am being a mug but still, I am happy today.
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very good luck to him
lets bring on a great new era ;)
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The sad thing is it seems many of us think of Aston Villa football club as a small club. Utter tosh. An Arsenal mate of mine was taking the p the other night and I asked if he had seen his team win the top European trophy like I had in Rotterdam 26/5/82. It may be a long time ago, but our club is well known throughout the football world and maybe sometimes we should remember that
I often remind Arsenal, Man City and Spurs fans of this.
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I do wonder why someone with a good rep like garde would want to come here. Money perhaps!
Not getting at you in particular, but this self-loathing and low self esteem thing that comes out is really depressing.
We're one of the most successful teams in English football, we play at a stadium which oozes history, we're an ever present in the most important league in world football, and we are massively, massively underachieving to the point that a coach with even half a brain cell could improve us sufficiently to be considered to have done a great job.
The reason we can attract players and managers better than, say, Leicester City, who are currently flying high, is because of the above.
As Veretout said in that interview the other day, he wanted to come here, not Leicester, because Aston Villa is a name in football.
One of the most successful teams in English football ?
Yes. But two centuries ago.
We weren't one of only five English clubs to win the European Cup, or five-time League Cup winners, or Premier League ever-presents, or European Super Cup winners, two centuries ago.
That's true.
World Club Championship participants too.
Which century of silverware would you choose ?
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I do wonder why someone with a good rep like garde would want to come here. Money perhaps!
Not getting at you in particular, but this self-loathing and low self esteem thing that comes out is really depressing.
We're one of the most successful teams in English football, we play at a stadium which oozes history, we're an ever present in the most important league in world football, and we are massively, massively underachieving to the point that a coach with even half a brain cell could improve us sufficiently to be considered to have done a great job.
The reason we can attract players and managers better than, say, Leicester City, who are currently flying high, is because of the above.
As Veretout said in that interview the other day, he wanted to come here, not Leicester, because Aston Villa is a name in football.
One of the most successful teams in English football ?
Yes. But two centuries ago.
FFS, that's something I would expect from the no marks on SHA
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That's true.
World Club Championship participants too.
Which century of silverware would you choose ?
The one in which we won the most, so that'll be the twentieth.
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From Twitter @LaurensJulien: (Husband, father, French football journalist based in London working for Le Parisien, RTL, BT Sport and ESPN.)
Lyon refused to sell or release Baticle or Genesio, Garde's former assistants. So he is coming with Reginald Ray, ex-pro and respected coach
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I do wonder why someone with a good rep like garde would want to come here. Money perhaps!
Not getting at you in particular, but this self-loathing and low self esteem thing that comes out is really depressing.
We're one of the most successful teams in English football, we play at a stadium which oozes history, we're an ever present in the most important league in world football, and we are massively, massively underachieving to the point that a coach with even half a brain cell could improve us sufficiently to be considered to have done a great job.
The reason we can attract players and managers better than, say, Leicester City, who are currently flying high, is because of the above.
As Veretout said in that interview the other day, he wanted to come here, not Leicester, because Aston Villa is a name in football.
One of the most successful teams in English football ?
Yes. But two centuries ago.
You're right. In 1815 there was no name in football bigger than Aston Villa.
No name smaller either.
In fact there were no names.
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Tonight I am especially happy for Mont and TV and VID and Mr U and all the other posters who have been longing for us to appoint a thinking, progressive manager.
Finally, fingers and everything else crossed, we may just be taking our first step into the 21st century. It's been a long time getting here. As you said, Brian, whatever the future holds - bring it on.
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That Keeprighton guy kept banging on about how all our success had been in the 18th Century
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That's true.
World Club Championship participants too.
Which century of silverware would you choose ?
The one in which we won the most, so that'll be the twentieth.
I'll take the C19 th.
Serial League and FA Cup winners.
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That's true.
World Club Championship participants too.
Which century of silverware would you choose ?
The one in which we won the most, so that'll be the twentieth.
I'll take the C19 th.
Serial League and FA Cup winners.
Good for you. I'll take the numbers.
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So a Bastia assistant manager. Can he be the man to save us?
Course 'e can.
I'm sure he'll rally the troops.
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I do wonder why someone with a good rep like garde would want to come here. Money perhaps!
Not getting at you in particular, but this self-loathing and low self esteem thing that comes out is really depressing.
We're one of the most successful teams in English football, we play at a stadium which oozes history, we're an ever present in the most important league in world football, and we are massively, massively underachieving to the point that a coach with even half a brain cell could improve us sufficiently to be considered to have done a great job.
The reason we can attract players and managers better than, say, Leicester City, who are currently flying high, is because of the above.
As Veretout said in that interview the other day, he wanted to come here, not Leicester, because Aston Villa is a name in football.
One of the most successful teams in English football ?
Yes. But two centuries ago.
You're right. In 1815 there was no name in football bigger than Aston Villa.
No name smaller either.
In fact there were no names.
Read it again ?
Did i say 200 years ago ?
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I feel like a kid on Christmas eve
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I do wonder why someone with a good rep like garde would want to come here. Money perhaps!
Not getting at you in particular, but this self-loathing and low self esteem thing that comes out is really depressing.
We're one of the most successful teams in English football, we play at a stadium which oozes history, we're an ever present in the most important league in world football, and we are massively, massively underachieving to the point that a coach with even half a brain cell could improve us sufficiently to be considered to have done a great job.
The reason we can attract players and managers better than, say, Leicester City, who are currently flying high, is because of the above.
As Veretout said in that interview the other day, he wanted to come here, not Leicester, because Aston Villa is a name in football.
One of the most successful teams in English football ?
Yes. But two centuries ago.
You're right. In 1815 there was no name in football bigger than Aston Villa.
No name smaller either.
In fact there were no names.
Read it again ?
Did i say 200 years ago ?
Err ... Yes, quite clearly.
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Welcome Remi Garde and welcome to Reginald Kray.
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who?????????????????????
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Err ... Yes, quite clearly.
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Really ??
Try the Dictionary ?
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Welcome Remi Garde and welcome to Reginald Kray.
Reggie Ray, the Last of the Famous International Playboys
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Err ... Yes, quite clearly.
Really ??
Try the Dictionary ?
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'Century' is 100 years in my dictionary
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How come Thomas Tuchell is 1/50
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How come Thomas Tuchell is 1/50
Well, have you ever seen him and Remi Garde in the same room? Makes you think, eh?
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Err ... Yes, quite clearly.
Really ??
Try the Dictionary ?
'Century' is 100 years in my dictionary
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How many centuries ago is 1874 ?
Or 1899 if you prefer ?
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1 1/2 and just over 1 respectively.
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1 1/2 and just over 1 respectively.
And on that note can we please end this debate.
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C21
C20
C19
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1 1/2 and just over 1 respectively.
And on that note can we please end this debate.
Yes, sorry, the argumentative pedant lawyer was coming out in me.
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Allons enfants de la Patrie,
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La Marseillaise
French lyrics English translation
Allons enfants de la Patrie, Arise, children of the Fatherland,
Le jour de gloire est arrivé! The day of glory has arrived!
Contre nous de la tyrannie, Against us tyranny's
L'étendard sanglant est levé, (bis) Bloody banner is raised,(repeat)
Entendez-vous dans les campagnes Do you hear, in the countryside,
Mugir ces féroces soldats? The roar of those ferocious soldiers?
Ils viennent jusque dans nos bras They're coming right into our arms
Égorger nos fils, nos compagnes! To cut the throats of our sons, our women!
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C21
C20
C19
Was that the B side to C30 C60 C90?
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101 + 303 + 808 = Now form a band.
*Swigs water* *Hugs stranger* *Prepares for two days of ennui*
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This is probably nothing, and I'm certainly not claiming to be ITK or anything, but drove past Bodymoor earlier (en route to Kingsbury) and a rather expensive looking white Mercedes pulled out with French number plates.
I appreciate that it could have been one of the players, (I don't know their cars), but still... I did wonder.
bloody hell
you've got me wondering now
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How come Thomas Tuchell is 1/50
I heard a whisper and put all my life's savings on him which caused the shift in odds.
I fear i'll never see that £8.57 again :(
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Every time I see Reginald Ray I want it to say Rachael Ray.
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C21
C20
C19
You're reaching a bit with that and looking a proper Muppet in the process. Oops my bad, I'm feeding the troll. :o
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Locko. It's the C21.
Assuming you're older than 16 ?
You were born in C20. Is that not last century ?
Are you another argumentative pedant lawyer from the Black Country ? ::) ::) ::)
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I thought they were all updated Clive Sinclair C5's.
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A century is a hundred years. Two centuries is two hundred years.
You said "One of the most successful teams in English football ? Yes. But two centuries ago"
It's not really pedantry to point out that it's just not correct. If you'd said "yes, but in the nineteenth century" then you might have a point (although still far from a watertight one), but "two centuries ago"? Nope.
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Fucking hell are we still arguing if Villa haven't won anything for 200 years? Anyone but the biggest plank has to accept we've won 7 leagues, 7 Fa Cups, 5 league Cups and the big one. 20 trophies major trophies. Doesn't matter how they were won, doesn't matter when they were won, they are part of the club and it's history and will be so until we fold. Until other clubs catch up and surpass those totals we will remain one of the most successful football clubs in England and here's to us adding a few more.
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There are too many two bit fucking nobodies in the media who are delighted at our situation and who are positively yearning for villa to go down.
I'm sick of every fucker and his dog queuing up to comment on our club.
I will love it, fucking love it, when Remi steers us to safety and all those fuckers line up to tell everyone how they always knew he would be a success.
Fuckers.
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yes, fuck the fuckers!
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A century is a hundred years. Two centuries is two hundred years.
You said "One of the most successful teams in English football ? Yes. But two centuries ago"
It's not really pedantry to point out that it's just not correct. If you'd said "yes, but in the nineteenth century" then you might have a point (although still far from a watertight one), but "two centuries ago"? Nope.
It's semantics ?
You're older than 16 ?
But born last century.
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That's true.
World Club Championship participants too.
Which century of silverware would you choose ?
The one in which we won the most, so that'll be the twentieth.
I'll take the C19 th.
Serial League and FA Cup winners.
Good for you. I'll take the numbers.
Good for you too.
In the C19 Villa won a major honour every 3.25 years.
Villa did win a lot in the C20. But not every 3.25 years
I'll take the numbers too.
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That's true.
World Club Championship participants too.
Which century of silverware would you choose ?
The one in which we won the most, so that'll be the twentieth.
I'll take the C19 th.
Serial League and FA Cup winners.
Good for you. I'll take the numbers.
Good for you too.
In the C19 Villa won a major honour every 3.25 years.
Villa did win a lot in the C20. But not every 3.25 years
I'll take the numbers too.
So you will take the numbers that spin us as less successful? I know another set of fans who do that.
Are you still here from that cup match?
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Percy. i'll take nothing from you.
Try some research.
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Percy. i'll take nothing from you.
Try some research.
Everything we have ever won is burned into my brain with pride. I painted a huge mural on a wall at work of our honours list (including runners-up) to annoy the noses. All from memory and I didn't have to look up a single thing. I don't need to research it.
I just choose not to spin it in a negative way.
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Not sure where this could have gone - Chris Ramsey sacked as QPR boss. Wonder how things could have worked if Sherwood had had him as part of the management structure?
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Collymore reckoned on Twitter yesterday that QPR had sounded Sherwood out to replace Ramsey.
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Collymore reckoned on Twitter yesterday that QPR had sounded Sherwood out to replace Ramsey.
Bloody hell, that could make for spectacular car crash TV, once his "proper football bloke" persona starts to wear a bit thin. And you'd think that there's no way he can have Ramsey as his assistant now.
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Spurs fans always said Ramsey was the brains. Shame it might have been different.
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Collymore reckoned on Twitter yesterday that QPR had sounded Sherwood out to replace Ramsey.
Good to know that there is still one club out there who are carrying on our tradition of not learning from their previous mistakes when it comes to hiring managers.
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It will always be one of those what if's, won't it?
What if he'd got his first choice assistant. What if he'd been able to keep Delph, Benteke and Cleverley, and add a few more of the players he supposedly really wanted (not that many of us would be heartbroken at missing out on Townsend and Adebayor).
I don't feel a huge amount of sympathy for him, that sequence of results from May onwards would have done for most managers.
But I fully expect him to talk about the importance of doing things 'his way' when he takes on his next job, feeding the notion that he was operating with one arm tied behind his back at Villa.
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then he should never have accepted the job
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I will defend him to a point, maybe it wasn't fully explained to him when he was appointed that the club were going to buy a few French players who we may be able to sell for a profit in a year or two, he may have wanted more tried prem players after losing our two best players,again while he was to blame in many repsects our beloved club has been badly mismanaged from the day Lerner bought us, in my eyes they are the biggest culprits.
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It will always be one of those what if's, won't it?
1What if he'd got his first choice assistant.
2What if he'd been able to keep Delph, Benteke and Cleverley, and add a few more of the players he supposedly really wanted (not that many of us would be heartbroken at missing out on Townsend and Adebayor).
I don't feel a huge amount of sympathy for him, that sequence of results from May onwards would have done for most managers.
But I fully expect him to talk about the importance of doing things 'his way' when he takes on his next job, feeding the notion that he was operating with one arm tied behind his back at Villa.
1. Given that everything that happened here, was pretty much what a good chunk of people expected, and what a good number of Spurs blogs warned of, where he'd got Ramsey by his side, I don't think things would have been much different.
2. He was never going to keep Benteke or Delph in reality and for the most part it felt like Cleverley was here under duress. Up until the upturn in form which started around the first Stripeys match Cleverley had been a poster boy for the half arsed under performing Lambert team. Cleverley's own upturn in form seemed to last not quite as long as the general upswing for the team (although that might be memory playing tricks on me.)
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I think given Delph had signed a new contract and had pledged loyalty to the club I think it is only after the event revisionism that makes it "inevitable" that he was going. Benteke was more wishful thinking I think but we were not inundated with offers due to the asking price and it was probably only Rodgers' desperation that meant anyone stumped up for an injury prone striker.
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If Delph was so sure of staying, why set such a ridiculously low release clause, when his market price would have probably have been £15-20M. If he was set on staying he could either have not had the clause inserted, or set at something more akin to a market value. Instead we got something that conveniently matched what we paid for him.
Benteke, well maybe, but from early in the summer there were mutterings that "his agent knew what he wanted." If he'd decided that Liverpool was where he wanted to go (regardless of how batshit a decision it looked to some of us) and Rodgers wanted him, there was little point in anyone else getting involved.
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of course, that being the case, he would have been totally fucked had not Liverpool finally stumped up the asking price. one thing to me is obvious, Benteke didn't want to spend another moment at Villa, and had he been forced to do so through lack of interest/willingness to meet the price, he'd have become the cheerleader for the half arsed brigade.
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Spot on Mr U. It would have been the last days of Dwight Yorke revisited.
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Why would Benteke have been half-arsed? He'd have wanted to play for Belgium in the Euros and make himself attractive to the best club possible.
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You may be right. I was and remain a great admirer of Christian Benteke. However, when career shaping moves are being considered I think CB, like Dwight Yorke and Milan Baros take their status and standing in the game as a constant and their club excellence is a gift to their employers not an entitlement.
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of course, that being the case, he would have been totally fucked had not Liverpool finally stumped up the asking price. one thing to me is obvious, Benteke didn't want to spend another moment at Villa, and had he been forced to do so through lack of interest/willingness to meet the price, he'd have become the cheerleader for the half arsed brigade.
But I said there were two sides to the equation. That if that was where he wanted to go AND Rodgers (or the Liverpool transfer committe) wanted him making any other interest futile.
Given the way most transfers seem to be sorted these days, all of that was probably sorted before Liverpool registered their interest and everything else was playing to the galleries trying to shift the release clause.
Obviously if he'd said to his agent it's Liverpool or bust and the only interest was from Spurs then that's a whole different scenario.
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No, I appreciate that, and always value your perspective V-I-D. I was merely trying to articulate that if no one had met the release clause, I can't help thinking that a monumental sulk would have been the result and euros or not, we would have been carrying a very disaffected player - and he does have form in petulantly trying to engineer moves/and or go on strike. By the way do you have any insight into Emre Mor the young Danish forward who is highly rated by a number of top clubs?
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No, I appreciate that, and always value your perspective V-I-D. I was merely trying to articulate that if no one had met the release clause, I can't help thinking that a monumental sulk would have been the result and euros or not, we would have been carrying a very disaffected player - and he does have form in petulantly trying to engineer moves/and or go on strike. By the way do you have any insight into Emre Mor the young Danish forward who is highly rated by a number of top clubs?
Fair point. I Just think that if no one had shown an interest he'd have knuckled down. It wouldn't have been as though we were denying him a move.
Emre Mor, doesn't ring any bells, but I've pretty much gone out of my way to avoid Supaligaen this season. The quality is worse than ever. I'll have a quick search to see what I can find from the local media.
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Moyes sacked today. Until Remi Garde was mentioned he was topping our poll. It will be interesting to see if he can get back to being a decent premier league manager or whether he is in permanent decline?
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Moyes sacked today. Until Remi Garde was mentioned he was topping our poll. It will be interesting to see if he can get back to being a decent premier league manager or whether he is in permanent decline?
Who knows, of course, but reading the report on his sacking by Sid Lowe it appears he did a fairly similar job there to the one Sherwood did here.
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I did say that the regret over Moyes not coming to us would be all one way. He should have come when, if ever, he had the chance.
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Given the general positivity there is about Remi now, I wonder how many are having an 'oh, shit we missed out' moment knowing that Moyes has now become available.
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Phew, glad we got in before the Moyes. Not a bad manager and no offence to the Scots but I've had enough of them!
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As Monty posted, there is no way of knowing if this is a career blip or signs he won't be successful at the top level again. You couldn't say he was certain to save us.
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As Monty posted, there is no way of knowing if this is a career blip or signs he won't be successful at the top level again. You couldn't say he was certain to save us.
To defend Moyes in the same way we defended Remi against the 'gamble' accusations, no manager would be certain to save us.
However, you look at who'd be best placed to save us, and what would they bring. Moyes would bring defensive solidity above all else, make us difficult to beat, but perhaps doesn't have the best track record for the kind of passing football which would suit our best players; Remi, in theory, was going to make us better going forward as he did at Lyon, playing the style which suits us, but flakier at the back than Moyes would.
Except that Remi also, apparently, can make us solid and hard to beat, and in three days at that. If he can do that AND make us better in attack, then I really don't see the need to compare the two.
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In before the Jock.
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Moyes sacked today. Until Remi Garde was mentioned he was topping our poll. It will be interesting to see if he can get back to being a decent premier league manager or whether he is in permanent decline?
Who knows, of course, but reading the report on his sacking by Sid Lowe it appears he did a fairly similar job there to the one Sherwood did here.
I've just read that article. Lowe doesn't hold back on just how poor Moyes has been. I'm delighted we dodged that bullet and believe under Remi we'll eventually get to a standard of football whereby in future Villa fans will immediately reject the MON, McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood and Moyes of this world.
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We saw flashes of football yesterday that were a delight to behold. They made you feel good to be at Villa Park watching it. Okay so they only amounted to a tenth of the game at most but Remi had lifted the tartan curtain and let us glimpse what just might transpire. I can live with that.
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I don't know about one tenth of the game, Brian. To begin with City never touched the ball for the first two minutes.
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I don't know about one tenth of the game, Brian. To begin with City never touched the ball for the first two minutes.
Yep, we absolutely battered them in that first two minutes and no mistake
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I don't know about one tenth of the game, Brian. To begin with City never touched the ball for the first two minutes.
Yep, we absolutely battered them in that first two minutes and no mistake
It certainly had me rubbing my eyes and wondering what the hell was going on. Set the scene for our first half performance and much more appreciated than passing it back to Clark to hoof up field.
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I liked what I saw however brief it was. You like what you like. If that game did not raise your spirits nothing will.
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I liked what I saw however brief it was. You like what you like. If that game did not raise your spirits nothing will.
Not sure if that was aimed at John or myself, Brian but I actually thought we played some great stuff and longer than your one-tenth comment. From the first minute it was like watching a completely different team. My spirits are most certainly raised now I've got over the shock.
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It was certainly not aimed at you Rudy. It was hardly aimed at anybody, it was just a sigh of frustration that even our happy times get picked apart. As my son Damon said as we walked from the ground God help H and V if that shot of Delph's had gone in.
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One thing I will say about H&V and other Villa sites is the old chestnuts about "give him time/until the end of the season/another season to get it right/he deserves another transfer window/we need stability/who would come to us" etc, went completely out the window with Sherwood.
I don't put it down so much to Sherwood but more to the accumulation of week after week, year after year of poor football and results whereby the fans have just had enough. Hopefully we're about to reset our benchmark as to what is acceptable for our club and never have to look back on what can only be described as The Wasted Years.
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I did say that the regret over Moyes not coming to us would be all one way. He should have come when, if ever, he had the chance.
You look with hindsight at his clearly precarious situation and you have to wonder if we were interested at all.
He'd have surely jumped at it if we'd have offered it, but I don't we would have. For once, we looked to have a clear idea of the type of manager to take over, and it made sense.
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Rudy, I think we've just become such connoisseurs of bollocks that, when we saw Sherwood this year, we knew instantly that we had quite the specimen there.
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Rudy, I think we've just become such connoisseurs of bollocks that, when we saw Sherwood this year, we knew instantly that we had quite the specimen there.
I said much the same thing to my brother last night, there's no kidding us anymore.