Who do you want the next Villa manager to be?

[rob_bridge]

No PL experience does not necessarily mean a manager can't succeed. While there have been plenty of foreign failures there have been some who did well, even at mid-level clubs.  Pochettino and Koeman for example, Laudrup for a while,  and Bilic seems to be doing quite well so far.  The thought of Moyes as manager really does not appeal.  I suppose he might keep us up but I've had enough of dour Scots and their dour brand of football.  I also don't think his rather attritional approach would suit our current squad.  Foreign coaches tend to be much better at tactics and I'd rather we looked abroad.   I'm also struggling to understand why anyone would vote for someone like Dyche.   Whilst he seems a great bloke but his only experience of the PL was getting relegated.  We may as well hire McLeish again.   

The Watford manager looks like he could turn out to be another.

Correct. I'm a fan of Dyche and Rowett to be fair, both in the future could be Villa managers but need to build on what they have done so far.

This is not the right time for them

[rob_bridge]

Yeah, not to mention that (and working solely of memory here so will probably be wrong) a lot of his bigger purchases at everton were relative failures.

Mixed bag.

Fellanni was a massive success and sold at big profit
Biliyabollocov was largely average
Yakubu was Yakubu - bullied rubbish teams for a year and half before getting bored.
Jagielka and Baines have been big successes and they made a big profit (god knows how) on Andy Johnson

[passitsideways]

No PL experience does not necessarily mean a manager can't succeed. While there have been plenty of foreign failures there have been some who did well, even at mid-level clubs.  Pochettino and Koeman for example, Laudrup for a while,  and Bilic seems to be doing quite well so far.  The thought of Moyes as manager really does not appeal.  I suppose he might keep us up but I've had enough of dour Scots and their dour brand of football.  I also don't think his rather attritional approach would suit our current squad.  Foreign coaches tend to be much better at tactics and I'd rather we looked abroad.   I'm also struggling to understand why anyone would vote for someone like Dyche.   Whilst he seems a great bloke but his only experience of the PL was getting relegated.  We may as well hire McLeish again.   

The Watford manager looks like he could turn out to be another.

Interesting thing is that track records in other leagues don't really seem to matter all that much - Pochettino had just left Espanyol in the relegation zone when he was hired, Koeman had done decently at Feyenoord but before that had nearly gotten a club as big as Valencia relegated, Quique Flores until his hire by Watford had been spending his time in the Middle East. It seems to be about how the qualities of the manager fit with the general composition of the squad, and the setup at the club generally.

[Ger Regan]

Yeah, not to mention that (and working solely of memory here so will probably be wrong) a lot of his bigger purchases at everton were relative failures.

Mixed bag.

Fellanni was a massive success and sold at big profit
Biliyabollocov was largely average
Yakubu was Yakubu - bullied rubbish teams for a year and half before getting bored.
Jagielka and Baines have been big successes and they made a big profit (god knows how) on Andy Johnson

Yeah I just had a look at a list of his signings. You can throw james beattie and heitinga into the mix too. There's no denying his ability to spot a bargain, but when you get above the 5 / 6 million figure, it certainly isn't an unqualified success.

[Monty]

Yeah, not to mention that (and working solely of memory here so will probably be wrong) a lot of his bigger purchases at everton were relative failures.

Mixed bag.

Fellanni was a massive success and sold at big profit
Biliyabollocov was largely average
Yakubu was Yakubu - bullied rubbish teams for a year and half before getting bored.
Jagielka and Baines have been big successes and they made a big profit (god knows how) on Andy Johnson

Yeah I just had a look at a list of his signings. You can throw james beattie and heitinga into the mix too. There's no denying his ability to spot a bargain, but when you get above the 5 / 6 million figure, it certainly isn't an unqualified success.

Sort of the opposite of Lambert, then.

[Villa in Denmark]

No PL experience does not necessarily mean a manager can't succeed. While there have been plenty of foreign failures there have been some who did well, even at mid-level clubs.  Pochettino and Koeman for example, Laudrup for a while,  and Bilic seems to be doing quite well so far.  The thought of Moyes as manager really does not appeal.  I suppose he might keep us up but I've had enough of dour Scots and their dour brand of football.  I also don't think his rather attritional approach would suit our current squad.  Foreign coaches tend to be much better at tactics and I'd rather we looked abroad.   I'm also struggling to understand why anyone would vote for someone like Dyche.   Whilst he seems a great bloke but his only experience of the PL was getting relegated.  We may as well hire McLeish again.   

The Watford manager looks like he could turn out to be another.

Interesting thing is that track records in other leagues don't really seem to matter all that much - Pochettino had just left Espanyol in the relegation zone when he was hired, Koeman had done decently at Feyenoord but before that had nearly gotten a club as big as Valencia relegated, Quique Flores until his hire by Watford had been spending his time in the Middle East. It seems to be about how the qualities of the manager fit with the general composition of the squad, and the setup at the club generally.

And that is why it shouldn't be Moyes, or any other "traditional" British manager.

Apart from managers like Moanrinho, Ancelotti, Benitez, who flit from one financially dominant club to the next very few managers actually manager to transfer obvious success from one job to the next.

[rob_bridge]

Yeah, not to mention that (and working solely of memory here so will probably be wrong) a lot of his bigger purchases at everton were relative failures.

Mixed bag.

Fellanni was a massive success and sold at big profit
Biliyabollocov was largely average
Yakubu was Yakubu - bullied rubbish teams for a year and half before getting bored.
Jagielka and Baines have been big successes and they made a big profit (god knows how) on Andy Johnson

Yeah I just had a look at a list of his signings. You can throw james beattie and heitinga into the mix too. There's no denying his ability to spot a bargain, but when you get above the 5 / 6 million figure, it certainly isn't an unqualified success.

Beattie was shite. Heitinga was decent. Van Der Meyde was another shocker

[PaulWinch again]

Look at it this way. If Sherwood with way less games to go, in a far more desperate situation can rescue this club with next to no experience as a manager, then I have no doubt Remi Garde can. And I would rather take the upside of Remi Garde and his brand of football and management than Moyes.

Indeed and I think knowledge of the French league, given where we've signed a lot of our players from, makes it a potentially smart appointment.

[joe_c]

Look at it this way. If Sherwood with way less games to go, in a far more desperate situation can rescue this club with next to no experience as a manager, then I have no doubt Remi Garde can. And I would rather take the upside of Remi Garde and his brand of football and management than Moyes.

Indeed and I think knowledge of the French league, given where we've signed a lot of our players from, makes it a potentially smart appointment.

Makes it seem like this move has been under consideration for quite some time to me. Which I think is a good thing.

[claretandblue barmy]

I just cant see a better manager on the list than Moyes. Did fantastic at Preston and over 11 year period kept Everton very competitive with a moderate budget.  He was bound to of signed some shockers over the period he was in charge but also picked up some very useful players.

[PaulWinch again]

Look at it this way. If Sherwood with way less games to go, in a far more desperate situation can rescue this club with next to no experience as a manager, then I have no doubt Remi Garde can. And I would rather take the upside of Remi Garde and his brand of football and management than Moyes.

Indeed and I think knowledge of the French league, given where we've signed a lot of our players from, makes it a potentially smart appointment.

Makes it seem like this move has been under consideration for quite some time to me. Which I think is a good thing.

Yep there appears to be logic to it. Also Garde wasn't much of a footballer, which normally makes a better manager.

[paul_e]

I just cant see a better manager on the list than Moyes. Did fantastic at Preston and over 11 year period kept Everton very competitive with a moderate budget.  He was bound to of signed some shockers over the period he was in charge but also picked up some very useful players.

but do you think a manager who has signed Fellaini twice and signed Tim Cahill is going to be happy with Gil and Grealish as his attacking central midfield options?

This is the crux, we need a manager who is suited to working with the squad we have, blundering through until January when we can let a manager put his mark on the squad isn't really an option, we need to perform well and pick up a decent number of points in the next 2 months.

[caster troy]

If it does turn out to be Garde I will wonder if this was the plan all along. Maybe we wanted him in Jan but he wouldn't come when we were past the transfer window and had less than half the season left, so we went for Sherwood to get the new manager bounce but always had it in mind to go back to Garde if we didn't start this season well. I know it's a stretch to think the club are that clever but you never know.

[Toronto Villa]

Look at it this way. If Sherwood with way less games to go, in a far more desperate situation can rescue this club with next to no experience as a manager, then I have no doubt Remi Garde can. And I would rather take the upside of Remi Garde and his brand of football and management than Moyes.

Indeed and I think knowledge of the French league, given where we've signed a lot of our players from, makes it a potentially smart appointment.

Makes it seem like this move has been under consideration for quite some time to me. Which I think is a good thing.

I was thinking about that last night. Why would the club give Sherwood a four deal and then if true not give him full control over transfers? Why would the club make him manager and then say to him we aren't going to agree to your choice of English guff players and we are going in this completely different direction instead?

The pay off is apparently £2m which in the grand scheme of things in the PL is nothing at all. You can't even buy an Andi Weimann for that and also suggests it isn't the full amount of the remaining three plus years. There must have been some kind of clause in there to cut short the marriage. So I was thinking about what transpired. I imagine that they brought him in because they needed a spark. A gamble yes, but he gave them what they needed at the time which was the very opposite of Lambert. And he might have been the only available manager to give them that. We get over the line and now the board are thinking they will see how it all plays out but just so we're not stuck with the types of transfers that got us into the mess in the first place they deny him the ability to sign everyone he wants. That starts the rift. That rift grows and widens and Sherwood, completely unable to manage through it without throwing grenades starts to fall apart. The board as they should start planning ahead and have their target in place. They give him a leaked deadline to fix it knowing full well he won't and fire him as planned after Swansea. All of a sudden a football manager emerges from out of nowhere that mysteriously embodies, or at least it would appear the direction the club took in the summer. Not Moyes, not Rodgers or Pearson. But a French bloke with the right attributes on his resume, a strong Arsenal link, and an apparent ability to work with young players on a tight budget. It seems all too convenient and a little far fetched, but there might be something in it.

[The Laughing Policeman]

Mate in the pub last night said knowing our luck it wont be Remi Garde but Remi Moses instead. I've just googled him and it seems he's quite a good coach.

In 2000,[3] Moses was working buying and selling property in Alkrington, Greater Manchester, and in his spare time, coaching the Manchester Warriors U-20 inline skating side, which had just won the GB Inline Hockey League and 'every other trophy going'.

Given that record he's got every chance of being offered the job.