Who do you want the next Villa manager to be?

[Villa in Denmark]

Manager in "signing players he knows" shocker. None of TS Spurs rejects would have filled me with joy but at least he would have known their capabilities and what he hoped to get out of them. .

Like that's any more comforting.

He wanted to spend 14m on Andros Townsend. 14m. He wanted to sign Adebayor, a man who later said he didn't come because he didn't get a sign from god that it was the right move. And Aaron Lennon, who is basically a slightly faster Charles N'Zogbia.

 I agree totally. I just think we'd be higher in the league with players he knew what to do with and knew him, rather than obviously not having a clue what any of the recent signings brought to the table.  Maybe he couldn't get them but i think its a safe bet that those 4 cost a hell of a lot more in wages than who we did buy which i'm guessing was the reason he didn't get them

Or you could read back up the thread and see that the only one where that is possibly true is Lennon, Cambiasso wanted to go to Greece, Townsend didn't want to leave Spurs and God didn't tell Adebayor to join us so those 3 would only maybe have happened if we'd offered contracts vastly over their real value.  Given we've spent 5 seasons getting rid of shit players on vastly exaggerated contracts I can understand why that wasn't an option.  Let's add Begovic as well, who we spoke to but who went to Chelsea instead, that's 5 and the club backed him on all of them.  To me when Sherwood wasn't getting anything done and the fans started to turn the 'committee' took it into their own hands and started making signings, which I think is ok, we needed them.

well i think all of them would have come if we'd paid them what they wanted,apart from Begovic, ie what they were on at spurs/offered by Olympaicos or near as dammit. Not saying we should have paid them that. I wouldn't have.BUT you have to back the manager on the players he wants. Otherwise why employ him? I don't want garde or whoever is to come in to target a player, and then some committee tell him he's too expensive and offer their own cheaper version. None of these people have any experience in coaching top flight players

And that worked so well under MON.  Complete waste of £150-200M to achieve the sum of (fuck all + buggar all)*naff all².
The figures posted earlier must surely show that clubs such as Swansea and Southampton succeed in surviving quite easily in this league whilst generally recording a negative net spend.  Why? Because they operate with pretty much the exact opposite of the model we've operated with until now and you advocate keeping.

Look at who's spent the most over that period, West Ham who almost certainly are spending the money for selling The Boleyn Ground in advance because I can't see the Gruesome Foursome sanctioning that kind of money otherwise and the major reason behind their rise up the league? Appointing a 21st century coach (not manager) and we'll see how long they last before they get a nose bleed and climb back down again.

The next 2 highest net spenders? Newcastle and Sunderland.  The only 2 clubs that are competition for biggest basket case over the last 4-5 years.  And guess what.  They've operated the exact same recruitment system that we have.

Sorry the argument is bollocks. Og course the manager has to have input and ultimately final say, but that's not the same as him turning around with his wish list like a kid at Christmas and expecting to get his every wish fulfilled.

[Villa in Denmark]

Let's be fair though, Lyon is fucking miles above Molde in terms of stature though. Doesn't mean Garde will definitely be a success, of course, but at least he's managed in a properly decent European league unlike Norway, which is supposed to be around League One quality.

And I think you overrate les grenouilles. While they produce great players and the national team has been successful, the league is relatively gash. It's just about on a par with Portugal and Holland not Spain, Italy, Germany and England. Off the top of my head there have been more misses than hits by French coaches in the UK. Paul Le Guen stands out as particularly special - won the championship with Lyon, couldn't even hack it with Rangers in their financial doping heyday.

And yet a decent proportion of votes went to Frank de Boer who manages in........ Holland.  I've even seen some say that he's an unrealistic target and out of our reach.

[Can Gana Be Bettered!?!?]

Because it was always this bad under MON. Achieving fuck all like he did wouldn't be a bad thing right now.

[PaulTheVillan]

Just imagine if a manager comes in, plays nice football* and wins a couple of games.

He could be a hero.

*Can't have it all

[VillaAlways]

Remi Garde – Aston Villa talks to continue today
Talks between Aston Villa and former Lyon manager Remi Garde are due to continue today concerning the vacant managerial position.

The Frenchman as supposed to commentate on the Manchester derby yesterday afternoon for his current employers Canal +, but talks between Garde and Aston Villa prevented him from doing so, according to L’Équipe.

Aston Villa announced the departure of Tim Sherwood at around lunchtime yesterday, but the Villains had been looking for potential replacements long before that point, having already contacted Brendan Rodgers, David Moyes and Remi Garde before Sherwood’s sacking.

Since leaving Lyon in 2014, Remi Garde has rejected several offers, including jobs at Newcastle and very recently at Sunderland. The biggest challenge that Garde faces is ensuring that he can bring and much of his favoured coaching staff with him at such short notice.

Bruno Genesio is somebody that Garde played with at Lyon and was his assistant manager during his spell on OL’s touchline, but Genesio stayed on at Lyon when Garde left and is currently part of Hubert Fournier’s coaching staff. Genesio is vital to Garde’s setup but Lyon are perhaps unlikely to let him leave his current position.

Gérard Baticle and Robert Duverne are the other two individuals that Garde most wants in his potential coaching staff at Aston Villa, but the former is currently employed by Lyon still and Duverne is under contract with Metz.

Duverne of course has already worked for Aston Villa under the orders of Gérard Houllier, between September 2010 and June 2011.

For Aston Villa, Remi Garde has become a priority because Arsène Wenger has pushed them to go for the former Lyon manager. Wenger has reportedly encouraged Chief Executive Tom Fox and Sporting Director Hendrik Almstadt to appoint Garde, the latter individual of course being a former employee at Arsenal.

If Garde decides to accept the Aston Villa challenge, which will surely depend on how much of his coaching staff he can pull together at such short notice, then he will have a rich array of French/Ligue 1 talent at his disposal. Garde is very much considered by Arsène Wenger as a possible replacement for him at Arsenal, but Remi Garde must prove his credentials in the Premier League first.

[SamTheMouse]

Let's be fair though, Lyon is fucking miles above Molde in terms of stature though. Doesn't mean Garde will definitely be a success, of course, but at least he's managed in a properly decent European league unlike Norway, which is supposed to be around League One quality.

And I think you overrate les grenouilles. While they produce great players and the national team has been successful, the league is relatively gash. It's just about on a par with Portugal and Holland not Spain, Italy, Germany and England. Off the top of my head there have been more misses than hits by French coaches in the UK. Paul Le Guen stands out as particularly special - won the championship with Lyon, couldn't even hack it with Rangers in their financial doping heyday.

I can see where you're coming from, but to be fair, Le Guen managed Lyon when they were dominant in Ligue 1 and still had pick of the best players, well before the rise of Qatar Saint Germain. Whereas Garde had the task of offloading most of the club's big stars and replacing them with academy youngsters while still keeping them competitive, something he managed successfully. Although other than that, it's true that his experience is limited. Also, it may only be October, but given our current position this season is going to be a scrap, and I'm not entirely sure Garde is a scrapper.

It would be a gamble, but very much the right sort of gamble. Garde has the right profile for the long term, and I'm delighted we're going for such a progressive option. It's what we should have done years ago.

[passitsideways]

Let's be fair though, Lyon is fucking miles above Molde in terms of stature though. Doesn't mean Garde will definitely be a success, of course, but at least he's managed in a properly decent European league unlike Norway, which is supposed to be around League One quality.

And I think you overrate les grenouilles. While they produce great players and the national team has been successful, the league is relatively gash. It's just about on a par with Portugal and Holland not Spain, Italy, Germany and England. Off the top of my head there have been more misses than hits by French coaches in the UK. Paul Le Guen stands out as particularly special - won the championship with Lyon, couldn't even hack it with Rangers in their financial doping heyday.

Well, looking at UEFA coefficient, which I guess is not the greatest way of measuring league quality, you're right - it's just behind Portugal and just in front of Russia, although Holland is substantially lagging behind. I guess PSG inflates their coefficient and doesn't say much about the rest of the league, as does Porto and Benfica in Portugal.

There's a really limited sample of French managers who came to manage in the UK - apart from Le Guen and Houllier/Wenger, neither of whom really count for this exercise, I can only really think of Santini, who left before anybody had an idea as to whether he was any use or not.

I suppose the general point I wanted to make still ought to stand - I'm sure Ligue 1 and a big club like Lyon is is a far better prep for EPL management than somewhere like Norway, who were 24th in the coefficient.

[Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle]

The worst thing about having a French manager is John Motson pronouncing their name. Its Jerrrrard Oooliyay all over again.

[Villa in Denmark]

The worst thing about having a French manager is John Motson pronouncing their name. Its Jerrrrard Oooliyay all over again.

The best one was his attempt at OGS.  Sol-sky-rer.  Sol-sk-yeah is closer.

[tomd2103]

For Aston Villa, Remi Garde has become a priority because Arsène Wenger has pushed them to go for the former Lyon manager. Wenger has reportedly encouraged Chief Executive Tom Fox and Sporting Director Hendrik Almstadt to appoint Garde, the latter individual of course being a former employee at Arsenal.

Where have we heard that before?  Wonder if he has written a letter.

[Tony Erdington]

seems yet another gamble,

I suppose any appointment is a risk, but cant we go for David Moyes his cv dont read to bad.

[VicMackey]

I woke up this morning with this strange feeling that we should go for Alex Ferguson.  After all, he loves Villa Park....

[saunders_heroes]

seems yet another gamble,

I suppose any appointment is a risk, but cant we go for David Moyes his cv dont read to bad.

I'd love Moyes at the Villa, it would give us a huge boost and lift the fans to know we finally got a manager who actually knows what he's doing. This Garde link worries the hell out of me though. Apparently he has a history of working with young players at clubs with tight budgets who sell their best players.
Honestly, this isn't gonna end well.

[VillaAlways]

For Aston Villa, Remi Garde has become a priority because Arsène Wenger has pushed them to go for the former Lyon manager. Wenger has reportedly encouraged Chief Executive Tom Fox and Sporting Director Hendrik Almstadt to appoint Garde, the latter individual of course being a former employee at Arsenal.

Where have we heard that before?  Wonder if he has written a letter.

Exactly, and like Fergie all Wenger is interested in is taking 6 points off us every season

[mr underhill]

I'm firmly in the Moyes camp, but I just  don't think he'll take the risk of returning to the PL with us. If he fails, it would be very difficult for him to manage again in the top tier; better to hang on and achieve something solid in Spain in the hope that someone in a better position might come calling. just a thought.