Who do you want the next Villa manager to be?

[Rigadon]

Or should I say 'total' gambles.

[Dave]

Hate to say it , but Pearson might be the best shot of keeping us up, as long as doesn't go nuts too often. He knows what needs to be done.

Whereas everybody else is just going to turn up with no idea?

What i meant is that he knows what is needed in a Premier league relegation battle

I'd rather Garde in the long term but...

Well if that's all that we're looking for, Paul Lambert's successfully fought three 'Premier League relegation battles', without being an unstable nutcase to boot.

Let's get him in.

[brian green]

The other factor regarding how we get out of this mess is to consider the consequences of how we play under the new manager.  If we go safety first and shut up shop we may grind our way to Premiership safety but on the other hand we may only grind our way to 34 points and go down. The other alternative of trying to play good football and develop flair players you may still only swashbuckle your way to 34 points and go down.  The difference is that if you go down with a good footballing side you will come straight back. A team of grunt and groan cloggers will simply sink into the swamp of teams trying to clog their way out of the Championship. Unless at some point you accept that good football is winning football you go straight through the trap door into the third tier. There are plenty of us with first hand experience of that scenario.

[LeeB]

Hate to say it , but Pearson might be the best shot of keeping us up, as long as doesn't go nuts too often. He knows what needs to be done.

Whereas everybody else is just going to turn up with no idea?

What i meant is that he knows what is needed in a Premier league relegation battle

I'd rather Garde in the long term but...

Well if that's all that we're looking for, Paul Lambert's successfully fought three 'Premier League relegation battles', without being an unstable nutcase to boot.

Let's get him in.

He's worked with some of the players already, and that one good player he bought spoke French, so it's all good from me.

[cdbearsfan]

Moyes is a decent manager, but I'd prefer a totally new approach, some modern thinking in our tactics.

My expectations are obviously less.  I just want a proven decent manager for a refreshing change.   No more gambles.

Moyes did well at Everton, but he's been a disaster since.

How many teams does he have to ruin before his managerial skills get disproven?

[CT Villan]

IMO, Moyes gives us the greatest chance of avoiding relegation but his glass ceiling is around 5th or 6th.
Garde is a bigger risk and does not guarantee safety, however if things go well for him it appears that his ceiling could be higher than Moyes and the football will be easier on the eye.

I'd still prefer Bielsa, a risk yes, but less of one than Garde. Plus he'd not tolerate any crap from anyone and I think we need that unwavering focus to get Villa back to where we should be.

[The Edge]

We are in no position to take chances at this time. Out of all the names above, Moyes is the only person that would guarantee us staying up this year.

Noone would guarantee us staying up this year.

Who is this Noone? Let's get him in

Missed the space!

I know mate. At least you lightened the mood. 

[auntiesledd]

'Onest 'arry has ruled himself out.

And on that basis so have I.

I was only prepared to accept if i could bring Risso in as my number two, so on that basis, I too am out.

I am leaning out of my Range Rover as I type to express how flattered I am to be linked but...

This forum has been such a joke for five years now, we'll never attract a decent poster.

Why would they come here and work under Woodhall's rules?

Why do you think I hadn't been on here since my solitary contribution years ago? Woodhall OUT; sack the Mod's; BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! 

**Goes back into default miserablist-hermit-mode**

[PaulWinch again]

Hate to say it , but Pearson might be the best shot of keeping us up, as long as doesn't go nuts too often. He knows what needs to be done.

Whereas everybody else is just going to turn up with no idea?

What i meant is that he knows what is needed in a Premier league relegation battle

I'd rather Garde in the long term but...

Right but how do you ever break the cycle of appointing in the short term then? As you say you'd prefer Garde, but you think Pearson is better for a relegation battle. What happens if we hire Pearson and survive, do we just sack him? or do we wait until he starts to fail next year and then have to appoint another short term manager to get us out of trouble again? I think there comes a point where you have to just have a look at the long term. Garde appears to be a much better option for me and I want Villa to actually have a semblance of long term planning. It is a risk, but constantly looking at the short term means you'll never develop. I think we're all sick of Villa being utter shit, so I'd like a risk to be taken that could see us climb out of this cycle of limping along, providing no entertainment and just being pretty embarrassing.

[auntiesledd]

Moyes is a decent manager, but I'd prefer a totally new approach, some modern thinking in our tactics.

My expectations are obviously less.  I just want a proven decent manager for a refreshing change.   No more gambles.

Moyes did well at Everton, but he's been a disaster since.

How many teams does he have to ruin before his managerial skills get disproven?

I thought folk on here would be happy that a Scottish manager was being linked with the current vacancy. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

[cdbearsfan]

I'm pretty sure not all Scots are the same.

I don't like him, but would probably be forced to admit that Alex Ferguson did a better job at Aberdeen and Man U than Barry Ferguson is doing at Clyde.

(although if your argument means we appoint Garde rather than Moyes, I'll be happy enough!)

[oldhill_avfc]

IMO, Moyes gives us the greatest chance of avoiding relegation but his glass ceiling is around 5th or 6th.
Garde is a bigger risk and does not guarantee safety, however if things go well for him it appears that his ceiling could be higher than Moyes and the football will be easier on the eye.

I'd still prefer Bielsa, a risk yes, but less of one than Garde. Plus he'd not tolerate any crap from anyone and I think we need that unwavering focus to get Villa back to where we should be.

Didn't he finish 4th with Everton?

[mr underhill]

you know what, I'd love to be on here in a few years time bemoaning the fact that Moyes had only managed to get us fourth. fourth I ask you! The charlatan!.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

Whoever comes in, Garde, Moyes, Rodgers, Redknapp, Pearson, the biggest and single most important ability they must bring is clarity of vision, and the longer they see our situation clearly the better they will manage us.

A new manager has to see what we have been seeing for five years and act on what he (maybe she) sees. He has to see N'Zogbia running down blind alleys with his head down, Westwood failing to track runners, Kozak at least deserving a few minutes off the bench, Gestede not getting square on in aerial challenges so at best the ball skids off the side of his head at worst missing it altogether, Gabby's weight, Richardson's lack of stamina, Lescott's half arsed attitude, Guzan's refusal to vary his kicking and his inability to throw out quickly.

What has been missing in the periods of management of McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood is failure to address the blindingly obvious with the inevitable result that the team punches three stones below its weight. For five long years less than the sum of its parts.

Any half competent manager should be able to fix that.

We've been a bit shit at the basics for years.
Corners.
Every throw in for us ends up with the ball back with the opposition within two touches.
Poor marking...eg short corners - we rarely cover them with more than one player.
Guzan's distribution...he should never have messed up again after ManC last season but he continues to put his own defenders under pressure/give opposition opportunities.
Movement off the ball - improved this season but still woeful.
Giving away free kicks in stupid positions...not condoning it but one of the features of Chelsea against us a few weeks ago was the number of fouls they committed on about the half way line and stopped our build-up(like 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' in the 80s used to do)...Ramires must have been pulled up 6/7 times for fouling Jack/Gil. Danger over and no booking. Refs let a lot go in "non-dangerous" positions.
Sherwood was right when he said we were naïve.
He then seemed to do nothing about it.

Is doesn't need a genius to work out that we can be a real push-over at times, and that we need to address a good deal of Brian's "blindingly obvious".
A decent manager would have done so.

[auntiesledd]

I'm pretty sure not all Scots are the same.

I don't like him, but would probably be forced to admit that Alex Ferguson did a better job at Aberdeen and Man U than Barry Ferguson is doing at Clyde.

(although if your argument means we appoint Garde rather than Moyes, I'll be happy enough!)

I was only havin' a wee bit of fun. I'd personally be happy to see Moyes step into the breach, although I very much doubt if he will be keen on jumping from his Spanish frying-pan into the raging(ish) Villa inferno. Given the present - and ever worsening - state of our football club, I'd go for a manager that has PL experience and knows how to set up a team to ensure they're resilient and clear about their required roles & responsibilities within the team. It might not be beautiful to watch: but surely it'd be a damned sight more preferable than seeing our hapless mob getting turned over every sodding week.