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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 10, 2015, 05:37:40 PM
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It's now only a matter of time before he's replaced. Let's hear your thoughts on who you'd like to see brought in.
Don't bother with comments about "he'll never be replaced with Lerner in charge" etc, there are plenty of places to say that. What we need to be thinking is, who is the right person, those available ot currently working with other clubs. As Newcastle are (also) in the hunt for a new manager, it will be interesting to see who they get and who we eventually bring in.
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Break the bank for Rafa Benitez.
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No idea, but Eddie Howe or even Steve Mclaren would do now.
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I just hope you're right. I'll worry about the guessing game when I see the ink dry that he's actually gone. Because right now a traffic cone would be more useful.
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With Lerner's past record, I dread to think. He'll probably go for some dinosaur arsehole like Harry Bassett, Sgt Wilko or Lennie Lawrence. Hopefully Fox has some input as I wouldn't trust Lerner to pick his own nose.
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Zdenek Zeman is available.
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The thing is, isn't eddie Howe just exactly what Paul Lambert was four years ago?
How that bucaneering Young manager has been cowed into the guy of today is sad to see
We'd also ideally give a manager a transfer window which means moving quickly but I can't see it moving that quickly
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The thing is, isn't eddie Howe just exactly what Paul Lambert was four years ago?
How that bucaneering Young manager has been cowed into the guy of today is sad to see
Four years ago, Lambert was teamed up with Culverhouse and Karsa. (See "The Culverhouse Theory" thread!).
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Gary Rowett
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Gary Rowett
I can see the appeal in having a proper Villa man in charge, but don't feel that is sufficient qualification.
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The thing is, isn't eddie Howe just exactly what Paul Lambert was four years ago?
How that bucaneering Young manager has been cowed into the guy of today is sad to see
We'd also ideally give a manager a transfer window which means moving quickly but I can't see it moving that quickly
Yeah we don't know, but he might be brilliant.
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No more young, promising but inexperienced at premiership level managers please
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We need to batter Tom Fox with empassioned e-mails and try to get him to make Lerner see sense THIS WEEK and sack him to give us a fighting chance of staying up.Fox must have some good advisors re a replacement
Laudrup?
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No more British/Irish managers please.
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Klinsman backed with new American owner.
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Tom Fox's job not mine. Just get the current incumbent out.
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Klinsman backed with new American owner.
Ok, let's do that then
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Rafa is a good shout.
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I'm really glad it's not my decision. A lot would depend on what the reality of the finances are, both short and long term is Lerner remains. The Villa job is still a big job, but I reckon a lot of managers would be wary of it right now.
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Klinsman backed with new American owner.
DING DING DING
We have a winner
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Luis Enrique should be jobless pretty soon.
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Rafa is a good shout.
He really isn't.
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Real Madrid assistant manager, Paul Clement apparently said he's interested in the Newcastle job. If reports are true that Remi Garde is very much the favourite, I wonder whether Clement could be persuaded to Villa Park. After so many disasters, do we really need a manager with Premier League experience?
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If he's interested in Newcastle then surely he'd be interested in us.
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Thomas Tuechel? He's quite pragmatic in many ways, but pragmatic in modern German football doesn't necessarily mean anything bad.
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Young and hungry? Simon Grayson
Fancies a PL return? Benitez or Klinsmann
Back to the (short term) future? Sir Graham or Sir Brian
The classic Red Adair appointment? Albion beat us to it
The 'might not be universally popular to say the least' choice? Steve Bruce
The light the blue touchpaper and run away choice? "How long before The Republic Of Ireland play again and would their manager be interested?"
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Tom Fox's job not mine. Just get the current incumbent out.
And there in lies a worrying point. Fox will never have had to be involved in a managerial appointment during his time at Arsenal. During the great Lerner love-in (i.e. the first few seasons of his ownership), I said that I would prefer to judge him when he had to make difficult decisions, e.g. sacking a manager and appointing a replacement, rather than making populist pronouncements. We now know that he is shit at that most fundamental of requisites for a football club owner. It would be just our luck that Fox turns out to be equally clueless.
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There are going to be managers that get simply are not realistic. A big reason is because they will be at a point in their careers where they would want CL football, eg Rafa or Klinsmann. Then there are those who will want a big enough budget to achieve CL football soon. Not only might we not be able to provide that but the FFP rules pretty much deny us the opportunity even if the funds existed. It really does filter down the options.
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Think Klinsmann is a brilliant shout but can't see him leaving a job where is a safe bet to be in there for the foreseeable. If Lambert had been given the required bullet at the end of May we would have had a lot more choice quality wise. Our biggest issue is that there have clearly been no reasonable offers for a club which is clearly in free fall on & off the pitch. No-one wants to join a "sinking ship" where funds are clearly not available while we are in limbo. We are where we are due to mismanagement across the whole enterprise and the general tone on here is one of abject misery. The Villa are now a laughing stock for those of us who care much too deeply but are simply an irrelevance for the rest of football as a whole. How we have comes to this point is totally unforgivable. Lerner, Lambert & every 1st team squad member should hang their heads in shame for bringing this once great club to its knees. Avfc4ever
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Young and hungry? Simon Grayson
Fancies a PL return? Benitez or Klinsmann
Back to the (short term) future? Sir Graham or Sir Brian
The classic Red Adair appointment? Albion beat us to it
The 'might not be universally popular to say the least' choice? Steve Bruce
The light the blue touchpaper and run away choice? "How long before The Republic Of Ireland play again and would their manager be interested?"
Bruce and Grayson would be terrible appointments. But there must be plenty of managers out there and it's up to our CEO to get one.
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This won't be popular, but I was disappointed when we didn't get Mclaren and I'd have him now. Won't happen, mind
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This won't be popular, but I was disappointed when we didn't get Mclaren and I'd have him now. Won't happen, mind
I'd be delighted with him now.
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I like Robbie Nielson of Hearts. Good Karma. Hearts founded the same year as us and once managed by our own Frank Moss.
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Why would McLaren want to come now? After the fans revolt against him in when he was to be interviewed last time. If I was him I'd tell Lerner to shuv it up his arse.
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Why would McLaren want to come now? After the fans revolt against him in when he was to be interviewed last time. If I was him I'd tell Lerner to shuv it up his arse.
*MYTH ALERT*
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Practically anyone who can bring in some coaches with them is an upgrade. 11 goals in 21 is it? I haven't a clue who is available out there but really with our poor form of the last 3/4 months the CEO should have been drawing up a list and putting out a few feelers anyway.
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Anyone who thinks Klinsmann would leave his California mansion, security of the the US national team job to manage Aston Villa is putting politely a little bonkers. It's not even about money, because as with McLeish we clearly pay well. He wouldn't have CL football, and wouldn't have the resources to get there soon. Even with a new owner, FFP means he can't just spend anything he wants. We are looking at another up and coming manager, or someone established that has had a tough recent run and is looking to rebuild their stock in the game.
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It's hard to think who could be worse at the moment. Gareth Southgate, I'd quite like someone with a connection to the club.
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No idea. If I had to say then I'd go for McLaren. He won't leave Derby right now though.
I'd have given Pulis an 18 month deal if he'd have been available. He'd be ideal until we're taken over.
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Slavin Bilic wants a go in England.
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No idea. If I had to say then I'd go for McLaren. He won't leave Derby right now though.
I'd have given Pulis an 18 month deal if he'd have been available. He'd be ideal until we're taken over.
He'd never have accepted that.
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Practically anyone who can bring in some coaches with them is an upgrade. 11 goals in 21 is it? I haven't a clue who is available out there but really with our poor form of the last 3/4 months the CEO should have been drawing up a list and putting out a few feelers anyway.
Given our lack of goals and lack of funds we should be looking for a twenty goals a season striker who fancies a quick route into management as a player/manager.
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Candleface Redknapp could be free by the end of the weekend !?
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Slavin Bilic wants a go in England.
Was just going to mention him. Is he still in charge of Croatia? He looked most impressive when they were battering England but that was about 4/5 years ago now. He plays guitar in a rock band too.
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Frank der Boer
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No idea. If I had to say then I'd go for McLaren. He won't leave Derby right now though.
I'd have given Pulis an 18 month deal if he'd have been available. He'd be ideal until we're taken over.
He'd never have accepted that.
He took 2.5 years at both Palace and the Baggies. I'd be happy to give him that as well, just to stabalise things.
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Frank der Boer
Chris De Burgh
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Slavin Bilic wants a go in England.
Mauricio Pochettino at Southampton was an exception and even Mel Pepe kept Albion up but I'm not a fan of throwing foreign managers into relegation battles. It is Pulis/Bruce/Allardyce been there done that territory.
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There's very little available domestically at present without going for a gamble on potential. McClaren would probably be the best choice. Other than that - Sherwood, Solskjaer, Warnock, Rosler? No thanks.
Beyond that it would take someone having the nous to scout abroad and find someone who has a proven track record in another league of playing decent football who wants a crack in England.
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I think just getting rid of Lambert would give the whole club a lift right now so we could make do with a caretaker (Sid?) then reevaluate in the summer when there should be more options.
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Agree 100% TV. Without wanting to be flippant perhaps we should be looking at locations where life is more stressful than Birmingham. Eastern europe? Russia? China? Sub Saharan Africa? There must be talented managers out there for whom B6 would look like a bed of roses.
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This could well be the most pointless thread ever. How about a poll to show how many of us honestly think Lambert will be sacked before the end of the season?
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Jürgen klinsman
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No idea. If I had to say then I'd go for McLaren. He won't leave Derby right now though.
I'd have given Pulis an 18 month deal if he'd have been available. He'd be ideal until we're taken over.
He'd never have accepted that.
He took 2.5 years at both Palace and the Baggies. I'd be happy to give him that as well, just to stabalise things.
Not 18 months though. 2.5 years gives a manager more security and time to make changes or an impression. Two and a half years of Pulis and we'll be throwing the ball into the box from the half way line
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Sherwood now for 6 months with a review in the summer. Reminds me a little of Gregory when he first came, not the dour 0-0 man he became, but is a good coach, has a game plan and would bring vibrancy and energy to it.
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Jurgen Klopp - dreamland appointment , only feasible if a multi billionaire owner takes a shine to us.
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From what's out there I'd take Sherwood aswell.
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Another shout for McClaren from me
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I see comments of Pulis, Bruce and Allardyce. Why would anyone want them? I find it completely bizarre. It's not enough to keep us up, which is what each of those managers would do with ease, and possibly would finish 10th-sh forever more - great!
As I said on the match thread, we're not going to win anything, so let's not win anything playing entertaining football.
As for my own suggestions, I honestly don't know enough about other managers to know who would a) want to come and b) play attacking football that's entertaining.
Who's team has scored the most goals in the Championship? They'll do! - edit: just been and checked, it's Bournemouth. He'll do. They seem to have done pretty well considering they've probably not got a lot of money compared to the other Championship teams.
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McClaren won't leave Derby, they're going up and it's a stable club with good young players.
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POLL -
Brian Glover
Ricky Tomlinson
Cherie Lunghie
Ken Hutchison (the bloke who played Mac Murphy in Murphy's mob, not David Soul)
The Sven lookalike from Footballer's Wives who ended up turning English and shagging Sally in Corrie
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Hoddle
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This could well be the most pointless thread ever. How about a poll to show how many of us honestly think Lambert will be sacked before the end of the season?
Isn't it just a "what if" thread?
What's the point of pre-match thread discussion? We all know how the games will pan out.
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Eddie Howe.
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Southgate, assisted by Laursen, with Spink (keepers), Saunders (forwards) Cowans (midfield) and Evans (defence) he'd have to give up the taxis though.
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You know you're in trouble when the fans call for ex players to take over the management team. :-(
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Cherie Lunghi
Now you're talking! Best 'Lambert Out' argument ever.
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Sherwood now for 6 months with a review in the summer. Reminds me a little of Gregory when he first came, not the dour 0-0 man he became, but is a good coach, has a game plan and would bring vibrancy and energy to it.
Apparently Sherwood was watching Forest today with Roy Keane.
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POLL -
Brian Glover
Ricky Tomlinson
Cherie Lunghie
Ken Hutchison (the bloke who played Mac Murphy in Murphy's mob, not David Soul)
The Sven lookalike from Footballer's Wives who ended up turning English and shagging Sally in Corrie
Tommy Brown
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Sherwood now for 6 months with a review in the summer. Reminds me a little of Gregory when he first came, not the dour 0-0 man he became, but is a good coach, has a game plan and would bring vibrancy and energy to it.
Apparently Sherwood was watching Forest today with Roy Keane.
If Keane goes to another club, it will speak volumes about Lambert.
Sherwood? Really? Is this how unimaginative we are and he's readily available, or, have we really sunk so low?
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Sylvester Stallone.
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POLL -
Brian Glover
Ricky Tomlinson
Cherie Lunghie
Ken Hutchison (the bloke who played Mac Murphy in Murphy's mob, not David Soul)
The Sven lookalike from Footballer's Wives who ended up turning English and shagging Sally in Corrie
Tommy Brown
Only if he brings SydPreston with him as number two. Sadly I doubt we can afford Johnny X. I bet we end up with Shakin' Stevens and Mick Hucknall as our January signings.
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Sherwood now for 6 months with a review in the summer. Reminds me a little of Gregory when he first came, not the dour 0-0 man he became, but is a good coach, has a game plan and would bring vibrancy and energy to it.
Go with that for immediate appointments of get Sid in place till end of the season to find our Carlos Coachalloti or Jurgen van der Traenor
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Anyone but Lambert
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The worry is, what decent ambitious would take over at the club with the restrictions Lerner places on us?
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The ironic thing is if we sacked Lambert we'd probably stay up on account of the new manager bounce from the first 4-5 games. If we picked up say 8 points from that it would set us up nicely for the season run in and to breath a bit easier.
If teams like Palace and West Brom who have been even worse than us this season can win their first games with new managers (and both will probably go on decent runs I reckon now), surely we could aswell and that could be the springboard needed to have a comfortable run in?
Of course it's common sense and logical so the board will ignore it and continue to pretend everything is hunky dory.
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René Girard, the Lille coach was top of my list last year and nothing much has changed, he's still the experienced, honest, straight talking, league winning, over achiever whose sides play entertaining football, that wants to manage in the Premier League. He's also used to operating on a small budget.
Whether he'd be prepared to move mid-season is another matter but it's a crying shame we didn't bring him in last summer.
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I still think that road cone someone mentioned a few weeks ago could do a job.
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I still think that road cone someone mentioned a few weeks ago could do a job.
Yes but would he want to manage us?
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Hoddle.......at least we would play football.
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René Girard for me also
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Martin Laursen - would instill fight and passion. Lambert deserves dogs abuse next week, us fans simply have to force him out, end of.
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René Girard, the Lille coach was top of my list last year and nothing much has changed, he's still the experienced, honest, straight talking, league winning, over achiever whose sides play entertaining football, that wants to manage in the Premier League. He's also used to operating on a small budget.
Whether he'd be prepared to move mid-season is another matter but it's a crying shame we didn't bring him in last summer.
What's his football like, SOVD? Have to say I haven't watched much Ligue 1 since it became a procession for PSG.
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Gary rowett ? Hear he's a villa fan?
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You're getting what you deserve for hounding me out.
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Hoddle.......at least we would play football.
He doesn't seem to be helping QPR much.
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Nigel Adkins and Paolo Di Canio are in the top 5 betting for next Villa manager.
God help us!
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Fucking Stevie Wonder
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Not the manager.He did at Swindon and everywhere else.
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Lille are on a bad run. They battled to a win against Evian last week but they look a bit fragile to me. But nowhere near as bad as we are. He could commute on Eurostar.
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Nigel Adkins and Paolo Di Canio are in the top 5 betting for next Villa manager.
God help us!
For differing reasons I do not see either of them pair managing anywhere near the top flight ever again.
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With Lerner in charge it could be anyone from Bungle from rainbow to Lee Clark. Let's hope we get a chance to dream of a new manager anyway we need some light at the end of the tunnel not more boring post match excuses from tim nice but dim.
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To be brutally honest I think there is more chance of change in the form of a new owner than a new manager.
I want to see the back of lambert but the only way I can see it happening is for a new owner to come in and clear him out. I just cannot see Randy Lerner doing it.
I have a lot of time for Randy Lerner, I always have had but when he drops a bollock he drops a big one. In my opinion he has made four bad mistakes,
He let MON take us to the cleaners without a whimper of defence.
He appointed Gerard Houllier despite his health record.
He personally flew to Corsica and brought in TSM.
He gave TOSM a four year contract when he should have given him notice four months earlier.
His mistakes get more and more calamitous and he really should consider his position, say publicly he is in it for the long haul and do something about our plight or go and let somebody else save us.
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Nigel Clough
Mancini & Platt
Frank Rijkaard
Steve McLaren
I'd welcome any of the above now . Pre Liverpool game .
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The ironic thing is if we sacked Lambert we'd probably stay up on account of the new manager bounce from the first 4-5 games. If we picked up say 8 points from that it would set us up nicely for the season run in and to breath a bit easier.
If teams like Palace and West Brom who have been even worse than us this season can win their first games with new managers (and both will probably go on decent runs I reckon now), surely we could aswell and that could be the springboard needed to have a comfortable run in?
Of course it's common sense and logical so the board will ignore it and continue to pretend everything is hunky dory.
I agree. It's obvious the players are not going flat out at the moment.
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Martin Laursen - would instill fight and passion.
Fight and passion alone does not win you many matches. Look at Pearce at Forest.
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Nigel Clough
Mancini & Platt
Frank Rijkaard
Steve McLaren
I'd welcome any of the above now . Pre Liverpool game .
No way we want Clough.
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You're missing the obvious; at this rate Randy won't be lookin much further than small heath again!
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Martin Laursen - would instill fight and passion.
Fight and passion alone does not win you many matches. Look at Pearce at Forest.
Why do people still assume that great players will automatically make great managers?
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For any lucky manager, and if it's a manager with some credibility, he has the potential of a spine of the team to include Guzan, Okore, Delph and Benteke. You include Clark, Hutton and Sanchez that's not bad to build a team around is it
Adding Baker, Senderos, Ally, Jack, Westwood and maybe a rejuvenated Gabby and that's a good lot of players to work with.
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What about MON back ?
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It comes to something when the local newspaper reporter is tweeting begging for the manager to get the boot......
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What about MON back ?
With Roy Keane as assistant?
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What about MON back ?
I'll tell you why not. He would give Agbonlahor a contract extension of six years!!
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Lille are on a bad run. They battled to a win against Evian last week but they look a bit fragile to me. But nowhere near as bad as we are. He could commute on Eurostar.
They are but when you look at their team and it's made up with a lot of players brought in on loan. Finishing third last season then having to start all over again must be draining for Girard. I saw him quoted recently as saying something like "we couldn't have tried harder to lose the game we were so poor". Paul Lambert, he ain't.
Monty, whenever I've seen them play, they look organised and look to play attractive, attacking football. Right now, actually last summer, I'd say he was tailor made for us. An 18 month contract would see us about turn and head in the right direction.
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Matt Kendrick has tweeted Tom Fox saying 'put us out of our misery.'
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Nigel Clough
Mancini & Platt
Frank Rijkaard
Steve McLaren
I'd welcome any of the above now . Pre Liverpool game .
No way we want Clough.
Why not?
I do like the idea of Mancini & Platt, though.
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Matt Kendrick has tweeted Tom Fox saying 'put us out of our misery.'
Pity he didn't write that in the Mail when he was our writer.
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It comes to something when the local newspaper reporter is tweeting begging for the manager to get the boot......
This!
I'm astounded he's still here!!
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Matt Kendrick has tweeted Tom Fox saying 'put us out of our misery.'
Pity he didn't write that in the Mail when he was our writer.
I could be wrong, but didn't he do just that at the end of last season?
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Totally agree with you SH.
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Matt Kendrick has tweeted Tom Fox saying 'put us out of our misery.'
Pity he didn't write that in the Mail when he was our writer.
I could be wrong, but didn't he do just that at the end of last season?
And the reason he's no longer our Mail man is...
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Matt Kendrick has tweeted Tom Fox saying 'put us out of our misery.'
Pity he didn't write that in the Mail when he was our writer.
I could be wrong, but didn't he do just that at the end of last season?
And the reason he's no longer our Mail man is...
Yep.
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We've got to be realistic, Lambert won't be going anywhere soon. Who's available & who in their right mind would want to come here?
Lerner won't pay off Lambert nor give any new manager the funds needed, it isn't going to happen.
Tim Sherwood! FFS, what has he done that shows he has anything like the ability to manager a team, let alone one in the shit?
Just like the last 4 seasons, we need to get through to the end of the season then fuck him off, enough is enough.
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A competent manager wouldn't need huge funds to make us safe this season and anyway as it is it looks like we have a few million to spend in the window based on the links to Sinclair and Gil.What massive funds attracted Pardew and Pulis to Palace and WBA ???
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Sack him and don't replace him. Just select the default team and tactics from FIFA 15. We look quite good on that.
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The current mail Villa writer is not very good.
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The current mail Villa writer is not very good.
They don't have the training they used to. /Predictable.
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This thread gave me false hope 😭
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Tim Sherwood just says what the fans want to hear
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A competent manager wouldn't need huge funds to make us safe this season and anyway as it is it looks like we have a few million to spend in the window based on the links to Sinclair and Gil.What massive funds attracted Pardew and Pulis to Palace and WBA ???
The only massive funds there are the managers salary, particularly Pullis.
He is good though at organising adding belief and keeping teams up.
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What about MON back ?
With Roy Keane as assistant?
And Steve Hodge as captain?
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Gary Monk.
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What about MON back ?
With Roy Keane as assistant?
And Steve Hodge as captain?
And rename Villa Park the DavidPlattDome
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What about MON back ?
With Roy Keane as assistant?
And Steve Hodge as captain?
And rename Villa Park the DavidPlattDome
And rename The Holte the Trevor Francis Stand. A swap the new giant flag for a flag with Nigel Callaghan's face on it.
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You know you're in trouble when the fans call for ex players to take over the management team. :-(
Given that you don't attend Villa Park,whats your option :-(
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What about MON back ?
With Roy Keane as assistant?
And Steve Hodge as captain?
And rename Villa Park the DavidPlattDome
And rename The Holte the Trevor Francis Stand. A swap the new giant flag for a flag with Nigel Callaghan's face on it.
I honestly mean this. so hear me out. When Trevor Francis does the co-commentary on our games on the Sky thing where you can watch the whole game late on Saturday night - which is almost every other week - he has way, way more good things to say for us than David Platt ever used to when he did them.
Not even close.
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He's normally pretty complimentary about us when commentating on our games. I'm still glad he blarted like a big girl at Wembley though.
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Where's Mazrim these days? He'd sort our shower of shite out in no time. Transfer policy might be ropey though - Lambert's Benteke trumps Maz's wish for Yakubu.
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Fat Sally AKA Ally Mcoist is free.....
So is Stuart Mcall
If there's a vote I'm in with Bilic. He'd kick arse,I think, and not give a fuck about apparent reputations.
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Emilio Estevez
Quack.
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Where's Mazrim these days? He'd sort our shower of shite out in no time. Transfer policy might be ropey though - Lambert's Benteke trumps Maz's wish for Yakubu.
He emptied his piggy bank and purchased stock in a now defunct company. Or another way to look at it, he's basically at the controls of a starship heading towards the sun, thrusters no longer operational, most of the crew dead, transporter system offline, life support down to 6%. Where Mazrim is, it's bleak.
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Where's Mazrim these days? He'd sort our shower of shite out in no time. Transfer policy might be ropey though - Lambert's Benteke trumps Maz's wish for Yakubu.
He emptied his piggy bank and purchased stock in a now defunct company. Or another way to look at it, he's basically at the controls of a starship heading towards the sun, thrusters no longer operational, most of the crew dead, transporter system offline, life support down to 6%. Where Mazrim is, it's bleak.
But he is the star in their heaven.
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Thomas Tuchel, Rafa Benitez, Rene Girard, Vincenzo Montella, Jorge Jesus, Luciano Spalletti
One of those will do nicely
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Thomas Tuchel, Rafa Benitez, Rene Girard, Vincenzo Montella, Jorge Jesus, Luciano Spalletti
One of those will do nicely
It seems a shame to disrupt Il Divo by appointing one of their band members.
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You know you're in trouble when the fans call for ex players to take over the management team. :-(
Given that you don't attend Villa Park,whats your option :-(
We are in trouble. My choices would be (based on the interview with him on the website a couple of years back and him still being hard as f**k), Ron Saunders or Mark Bosnich with his contacts book to get hold of some Columbian marching powder to get the players arses into gear.
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Josep Gombau..... and yes he is a seriously good coach. His team plays attractive attacking football , think what he could do stepping up to the next level....pull this Villa dross out of the mire!!!
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Given that this is all hypothetical, I'd bring in SrAlex as DoF with McLaren as Manager and Brian Kidd as 1st team coach.
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Laudrup?
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Laudrup?
Good shout.
Or De Bouer
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Seeing Pulis interviewed on MOTD, and I can't believe I'm saying his, I wish we'd have bought him in. I think he may have sorted us out properly to set some foundations and think he'll do a good job at the Boggies.
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As Drum says this is highly hypothetical. Lambert will not walk because he has every indication of screwing every last penny out of the club. Lerner could have one of two mind sets. One, he does not care what is happening and has shipped so much financial damage more damage is neither here nor there or two, he has had enough and will tell his agents to find any buyer they can. Therefore I think Lambert's replacement could come from any part of the competence spectrum from Benitez to Curbishley depending on who takes Lerner's place.
Lerner's departure is less unlikely than Lambert's.
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Laudrup?
He's not available. He is managing in Qatar.
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My worry is that its January. Sack now we have to appoint by next weekend to have any chance of the new guy getting players in place. So i would go Sherwood on an 18 month deal with a director of football to come.
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Frankly, Sherwood's a fool as well. He's quite open about his own cluelessness. He's a 4-4-2-mongerer, and not of a progressive kind. He's clearly a nice guy, but we've had enough incompetent nice guys.
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Young and hungry? Simon Grayson
Fancies a PL return? Benitez or Klinsmann
Back to the (short term) future? Sir Graham or Sir Brian
The classic Red Adair appointment? Albion beat us to it
The 'might not be universally popular to say the least' choice? Steve Bruce
The light the blue touchpaper and run away choice? "How long before The Republic Of Ireland play again and would their manager be interested?"
I think Bruce might be available soon looking at the league table so no thanks. I have no idea I wanted Lambert and his idea of we will score more than them attitude his attitude now is don't lose like TSM.
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No idea. If I had to say then I'd go for McLaren. He won't leave Derby right now though.
I'd have given Pulis an 18 month deal if he'd have been available. He'd be ideal until we're taken over.
He'd never have accepted that.
He took 2.5 years at both Palace and the Baggies. I'd be happy to give him that as well, just to stabalise things.
He did the MON walk though so no.
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We don't just want to 'save' Villa from relegation trouble though, do we? Even muddling along as we are the football is unacceptable. Would Pulis improve this? I just think wishing for a manager like him kind of misses the point.
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I think just getting rid of Lambert would give the whole club a lift right now so we could make do with a caretaker (Sid?) then reevaluate in the summer when there should be more options.
Sid wont work he cant get his squad winning and it would destroy his legend status when he failed.
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This thread is desperately sad, because we have seen it doesn't matter how pathetic performances and results are he won't be going.
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This thread is desperately sad, because we have seen it doesn't matter how pathetic performances and results are he won't be going.
Nail, head. I'd go so far as saying he'll still be in place when we go down.
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Young and hungry? Simon Grayson
No thanks, this isn't the time for risk taking, and Grayson would be far from first choice of that ilk anyway.
Fancies a PL return? Benitez or Klinsmann
Sounds fun, but doubt they'd take the job.
Back to the (short term) future? Sir Graham or Sir Brian
Yesterday's news.
The classic Red Adair appointment? Albion beat us to it
100% agree. Add Moyes to that too.
The 'might not be universally popular to say the least' choice? Steve Bruce
Crikey...are we that desperate?
The light the blue touchpaper and run away choice? "How long before The Republic Of Ireland play again and would their manager be interested?"
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha that's crazy!!! *
*hmm, although... if you just wanted a stop gap til may, and a pretty much nailed on shot in the arm to avoid relegation...nah....forget it....refer to Steve Bruce reply.
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You know you're in trouble when the fans call for ex players to take over the management team. :-(
100% agree. Just because you were a good player, with a connection to the club, doesn't mean it will go well.
It just means you'll get an extra 6 months grace before the shit hits the fan if it all goes tits up.
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I think just getting rid of Lambert would give the whole club a lift right now so we could make do with a caretaker (Sid?) then reevaluate in the summer when there should be more options.
Sid wont work he cant get his squad winning and it would destroy his legend status when he failed.
True. Cowans and 1 or 2 others like McAndrew have been at the club far too long now. The club needs a total clean sweep to clear away the deadwood who have had their feet under the table to long.
We need another SGT. Someone who is prepared to tell a few people a few home truths, kick a few backsides and to bring a sense of organization to the place.
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Laudrup?
Good shout.
Or De Bouer
The often overlooked French half brother of Ronald and Frank? ;)
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If we are going to makea change it has to be done properly, not some short term appointment that will merely mean we are back in the same position in 18 months time. We have had years of managerial debates, going back to MON's final season, with only very brief interludes of calm. It is time for some grown up and joined up thinking and I think for that we probably need to wait until the summer.
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If we are going to makea change it has to be done properly, not some short term appointment that will merely mean we are back in the same position in 18 months time. We have had years of managerial debates, going back to MON's final season, with only very brief interludes of calm. It is time for some grown up and joined up thinking and I think for that we probably need to wait until the summer.
We'll be calmly and rationally planning for life in the Championship if we do.
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If we are going to makea change it has to be done properly, not some short term appointment that will merely mean we are back in the same position in 18 months time. We have had years of managerial debates, going back to MON's final season, with only very brief interludes of calm. It is time for some grown up and joined up thinking and I think for that we probably need to wait until the summer.
And then appoint who? I'd be happy with Dyche. Might be another Lambert but might not. Would fuck over one of our rivals as well.
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i'll say it, but I like what Allardyce has done at West Ham. He's bought well, his team play an agressive style where they press the opponent back. He uses wingers, he uses his CF well, (when fit). He isn't the same manager he once was with the long ball so he has tried to modernize himself. He's not afraid of taking on the bigger sides and he'll win a few of those games too.
I've seen West Ham a few times now and it's not ugly to watch. He'd be someone who knows the league well, is able to work to a budget, is from the area if that was ever a criteria, and would jump at the chance to leave those tossers he has as owners. They've only lost 6 times this season in the league and scored 3 times what we have.
He's not everyone cup of tea, and I'd gladly not have Allardyce if there was someone genuinely better out there that we could realistically get.
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I think the fat one would rather work for porno dwarfs than an absentee owner who seemingly doesn't give a shit and who clearly won't bankroll anyone
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If we are going to makea change it has to be done properly, not some short term appointment that will merely mean we are back in the same position in 18 months time. We have had years of managerial debates, going back to MON's final season, with only very brief interludes of calm. It is time for some grown up and joined up thinking and I think for that we probably need to wait until the summer.
Sorry Chris, I completely disagree.
If we were in the real world, this exactly the point at which some hard nosed git, with experience of turning absolute basket cases around gets brought in and has 12-24 months to sort things out.
It's always done in 4 stages.
1. Stabalise the business - identify the bits that are still functioning and start to strip out the shit that definitely isn't. Do whatever it takes to keep access to working capital. (points)
2. Start to change the management culture. Those that can't change get shown the door. Get whoever you need in on a short term basis to make sure that the wheels don't fall off. (short term contracts for experienced players towards the end of their careers if necessary - depends how could / bad the existing squad actually is.)
3. Depending on how much shit you've been in, 9-18 months to improve the working practices. Those that can't adapt again get shown the door or sidelined. Those that can benefit. Any gaps filled by cardfut recruitment. (start to build a squad that can play a style compatible with the club "style" or "philosophy")
4. Hand over to someone who can take the job on and implement the long term strategy. (Find the man to take us forward over the next 4-5 years.)
The problem we've got is now lacking a definite strategy or style that the likes of Southampton or Swansea have implemented, which makes the above that much more difficult.
The important bit now is ensure we don't get relegated, whatever the cost and try to ensure some semblance of stability next year so that the club can break the cycle of panic and firefighting we've been locked into for the last 3 1/2 years. Then we can start to look at building some solid foundations, which we've been missing since before DOL.
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i'll say it, but I like what Allardyce has done at West Ham. He's bought well, his team play an agressive style where they press the opponent back. He uses wingers, he uses his CF well, (when fit). He isn't the same manager he once was with the long ball so he has tried to modernize himself. He's not afraid of taking on the bigger sides and he'll win a few of those games too.
I've seen West Ham a few times now and it's not ugly to watch. He'd be someone who knows the league well, is able to work to a budget, is from the area if that was ever a criteria, and would jump at the chance to leave those tossers he has as owners. They've only lost 6 times this season in the league and scored 3 times what we have.
He's not everyone cup of tea, and I'd gladly not have Allardyce if there was someone genuinely better out there that we could realistically get.
West Ham have changed their style and it actually works and suits their squad.
Our style is phantom is it dosen't suit our squad to pass the ball around endlessly as we have little creativity.
I put it in the wrong thread but we really need to check the euro leagues and find an experienced coach who dosen't have a dodgy heart like Houllier, is experienced and is tactically flexible.
Newly promoted teams like Southampton and Swansea have come up with Laudrup, Pochettino and Koeman in recent years.
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If we are going to makea change it has to be done properly, not some short term appointment that will merely mean we are back in the same position in 18 months time. We have had years of managerial debates, going back to MON's final season, with only very brief interludes of calm. It is time for some grown up and joined up thinking and I think for that we probably need to wait until the summer.
I actually think a short term fix just to keep us up is better than sticking with lambert . I think he's lost the plot, the dressing room and the fans too.
The wheels are off .
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Re Laudrup. He would have been my choice instead of, or immediately after Houllier.
He's now on a 2 year contract in Qatar, which he's said will be his last job. He's completely open about he's done it for the money, he can earn more there in a year than he was earning at Swansea over the course of his 3 year contract, after which it will be feet up time.
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I really don't think Lambert is going anywhere, so at the moment, IMO, there is the rather more pressing matter of getting experienced first team coaches in. A look at pravda shows that the only first team coach we have at the moment is Scott Marshall; according, again to pravda, his previous experience is with academy level/u18's coaching/management at Wycombe, Brentford, Chelsea and Norwich. A couple of spells at coaching schools in Oman for Arenal and QPR thrown in. I'm sure he's an excellent professional, but first team coaching at a Prem club doesn't appear to be his forte if his online cv is anything to go by.
If Lambert is to stay, then getting in new coaching staff is an absolute must and just as important as any player signings.
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I really don't think Lambert is going anywhere, so at the moment, IMO, there is the rather more pressing matter of getting experienced first team coaches in. A look at pravda shows that the only first team coach we have at the moment is Scott Marshall; according, again to pravda, his previous experience is with academy level/u18's coaching/management at Wycombe, Brentford, Chelsea and Norwich. A couple of spells at coaching schools in Oman for Arenal and QPR thrown in. I'm sure he's an excellent professional, but first team coaching at a Prem club doesn't appear to be his forte if his online cv is anything to go by.
If Lambert is to stay, then getting in new coaching staff is an absolute must and just as important
as any player signings.
Bloody hell ..... It really is no wonder we are clueless
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Where is our new assistant manager? It's almost like the club just can't be arsed to appoint anybody. You would think with our poor form it would be an absolute priority to introduce some fresh ideas but no.
If he isn't going anywhere Get someone in to help him. The apathy/ lack of urgency is staggering.
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If we are going to makea change it has to be done properly, not some short term appointment that will merely mean we are back in the same position in 18 months time. We have had years of managerial debates, going back to MON's final season, with only very brief interludes of calm. It is time for some grown up and joined up thinking and I think for that we probably need to wait until the summer.
Sorry Chris, I completely disagree.
If we were in the real world, this exactly the point at which some hard nosed git, with experience of turning absolute basket cases around gets brought in and has 12-24 months to sort things out.
It's always done in 4 stages.
1. Stabalise the business - identify the bits that are still functioning and start to strip out the shit that definitely isn't. Do whatever it takes to keep access to working capital. (points)
2. Start to change the management culture. Those that can't change get shown the door. Get whoever you need in on a short term basis to make sure that the wheels don't fall off. (short term contracts for experienced players towards the end of their careers if necessary - depends how could / bad the existing squad actually is.)
3. Depending on how much shit you've been in, 9-18 months to improve the working practices. Those that can't adapt again get shown the door or sidelined. Those that can benefit. Any gaps filled by cardfut recruitment. (start to build a squad that can play a style compatible with the club "style" or "philosophy")
4. Hand over to someone who can take the job on and implement the long term strategy. (Find the man to take us forward over the next 4-5 years.)
The problem we've got is now lacking a definite strategy or style that the likes of Southampton or Swansea have implemented, which makes the above that much more difficult.
The important bit now is ensure we don't get relegated, whatever the cost and try to ensure some semblance of stability next year so that the club can break the cycle of panic and firefighting we've been locked into for the last 3 1/2 years. Then we can start to look at building some solid foundations, which we've been missing since before DOL.
Totally agree with and as unpalatable as it may have been for some, I think Pulis or Moyes would have been good candidates for that role.
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Glenn Hoddle?
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While acknowledging that we're not in a good position with regard to attracting a quality new manager I still believe we could get someone better than Lambert. He's having zero positive influence at the moment and I can't see that changing: he's not suddenly going to acquire coaching, tactical or motivational skills.
In any case, I look at our current situation and think doing nothing is not a sensible option.
Having said that, sacking him would require a greater degree of proactivity than the top brass appear to possess, he'd need a huge payoff, which the top brass would presumably not want to pay, and if even if he was sacked the choice of replacement would then be in the hands of people who have nawsed it up so many times.
A gloomy picture.
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i'll say it, but I like what Allardyce has done at West Ham. He's bought well, his team play an agressive style where they press the opponent back. He uses wingers, he uses his CF well, (when fit). He isn't the same manager he once was with the long ball so he has tried to modernize himself. He's not afraid of taking on the bigger sides and he'll win a few of those games too.
I've seen West Ham a few times now and it's not ugly to watch. He'd be someone who knows the league well, is able to work to a budget, is from the area if that was ever a criteria, and would jump at the chance to leave those tossers he has as owners. They've only lost 6 times this season in the league and scored 3 times what we have.
He's not everyone cup of tea, and I'd gladly not have Allardyce if there was someone genuinely better out there that we could realistically get.
I'm pleading the 5th on that one!
I'll tell you what though, Andy Carroll is in some awesome form at the moment. Did you see his goal yesterday?
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Glenn Hoddle?
He hasn't done anything recently has he? Not for me.
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i'll say it, but I like what Allardyce has done at West Ham. He's bought well, his team play an agressive style where they press the opponent back. He uses wingers, he uses his CF well, (when fit). He isn't the same manager he once was with the long ball so he has tried to modernize himself. He's not afraid of taking on the bigger sides and he'll win a few of those games too.
I've seen West Ham a few times now and it's not ugly to watch. He'd be someone who knows the league well, is able to work to a budget, is from the area if that was ever a criteria, and would jump at the chance to leave those tossers he has as owners. They've only lost 6 times this season in the league and scored 3 times what we have.
He's not everyone cup of tea, and I'd gladly not have Allardyce if there was someone genuinely better out there that we could realistically get.
I'm pleading the 5th on that one!
I'll tell you what though, Andy Carroll is in some awesome form at the moment. Did you see his goal yesterday?
Yes. Outstanding and a goal comprised of all of the things Benteke is capable of doing. He does have Carroll playing at a very high level. For however long it lasts because of his injury record.
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Laudrup for me, but anything is better than this.
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Laudrup, Curbishley, Souness, all available to see the season through. Any one of them would be more preferable than Lambert.
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Laudrup, Curbishley, Souness, all available to see the season through. Any one of them would be more preferable than Lambert.
Souness short-term would be a good move. He's an utterly lamentable character but he kicks arses.
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Laudrup, Curbishley, Souness, all available to see the season through. Any one of them would be more preferable than Lambert.
Souness short-term would be a good move. He's an utterly lamentable character but he kicks arses.
Souness when manager of Benfica was constantly mocked due to his complete lack of tactics. It was embarrassing to watch his team at times, a team not helped by the signing of 21st Michael Thomas. Only Dean Saunders did himself credit. That was in 98, I'd hope Souness has learnt a thing or two since then.
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Laudrup, Curbishley, Souness, all available to see the season through. Any one of them would be more preferable than Lambert.
Souness short-term would be a good move. He's an utterly lamentable character but he kicks arses.
Souness when manager of Benfica was constantly mocked due to his complete lack of tactics. It was embarrassing to watch his team at times, a team not helped by the signing of 21st Michael Thomas. Only Dean Saunders did himself credit. That was in 98, I'd hope Souness has learnt a thing or two since then.
For a short-term measure we don't need a tactical genius, we need someone who can get more out of the players we've got.
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Souness was shite at Newcastle in his last job about 10 years ago. That would be a no from me.
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Laudrup, Curbishley, Souness, all available to see the season through. Any one of them would be more preferable than Lambert.
Souness short-term would be a good move. He's an utterly lamentable character but he kicks arses.
Same could be said of Roy Keane.
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Prandelli
Bilic
Allerdyce
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Laudrup, Curbishley, Souness, all available to see the season through. Any one of them would be more preferable than Lambert.
Souness short-term would be a good move. He's an utterly lamentable character but he kicks arses.
Souness when manager of Benfica was constantly mocked due to his complete lack of tactics. It was embarrassing to watch his team at times, a team not helped by the signing of 21st Michael Thomas. Only Dean Saunders did himself credit. That was in 98, I'd hope Souness has learnt a thing or two since then.
For a short-term measure we don't need a tactical genius, we need someone who can get more out of the players we've got.
To be fair to Lambert, yesterday apart, the players have been putting in big shifts. Souness certainly would make sure there were no slackers out there but I wouldn't like to bet our Premier League status he could get us the results needed. An improvement on Lambert, yes but he has a great talent for pissing off the wrong/best players.
I'm in two minds at the moment as to whether we should risk bringing in a foreign manager. I guess the longer the board go without making a decision, the more risky it becomes. We have a decent squad that are castrated by Lambert, I don't think it would be that difficult for any manager, whether with Premier League experience or not to fix things.
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A look at Wiki puts me off even more. I'd forgotten he spent £35m on Owen, Luque and Boumsong and that was 9 years ago!
Plus this is telling, and the last thing we need
In the club's DVD season review for the 200506 season, goalkeeper Shay Given and defender Robbie Elliott, acknowledged that Souness was under pressure at the club as a result of injuries to the squad and admitted that some players were to blame for their lack of all round effort, but also admitted there was a bad atmosphere at the training ground, with Souness seeming to favour some players over others.
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Laudrop is the best short term bet. He only sticks around for a season or two anyway.
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Is he better than Laudrup?
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Laudrup would have been a great move back in 2010.
Based on some of the lunatic decisions from the top in recent years, we'd probably go for Brian Horton or Bobby Gould though. Premier League experience!
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Laudrup, Curbishley, Souness, all available to see the season through. Any one of them would be more preferable than Lambert.
Souness short-term would be a good move. He's an utterly lamentable character but he kicks arses.
You know when things are about to hit rock bottom when you find yourself agreeing that Souness would be an improvement.
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I'd be looking at somebody with a reputation for attacking/flair play.
Vialli?
We have what appears to be decent foundations at the back, so get somebody who can focus on the rest?
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I'd be looking at somebody with a reputation for attacking/flair play.
Vialli?
We have what appears to be decent foundations at the back, so get somebody who can focus on the rest?
He hasn't managed since 2002 when he was sacked by Watford.
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I'd be looking at somebody with a reputation for attacking/flair play.
Vialli?
We have what appears to be decent foundations at the back, so get somebody who can focus on the rest?
He hasn't managed since 2002 when he was sacked by Watford.
I'd take a chance on him over souness.
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A look at Wiki puts me off even more. I'd forgotten he spent £35m on Owen, Luque and Boumsong and that was 9 years ago!
Plus this is telling, and the last thing we need
In the club's DVD season review for the 200506 season, goalkeeper Shay Given and defender Robbie Elliott, acknowledged that Souness was under pressure at the club as a result of injuries to the squad and admitted that some players were to blame for their lack of all round effort, but also admitted there was a bad atmosphere at the training ground, with Souness seeming to favour some players over others.
Agreed. He is past it as a manager and I'm not sure he was any good anywhere
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Terry Venables wasn't doing much yesterday :)
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Roy Keane?
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Bilic? Meant to be doing a good job turkey
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Souness and Hoddle? Have we gone back to 2002?
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Souness? Really. A manager who took a League winning team, sold it and introduced Razor Ruddock and Julian Dicks to the Liverpool team. Who introduced the Geordies to the esteemed Centre Half pairing of Jean-Alan Boumsong & Titus Bramble. no thanks
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Let's face it, there's a dearth of credible options so it would be a gamble. Fact is we don't spend enough to be a top team and 2 or 3 half decent players would actually transform us. The PL is about investment and whilst some may quote Swansea as being superb on a budget, they still finished just above midway. Yes, that may be better than now but it's hardly the benchmark of rip-roaring success. Money talks and whilst we refuse to spend the amounts required then this is what you get. Naming managers that have been out the game for decades is hardly going to transform our fortunes. Sack Lambert by all means but at least have a viable replacement.
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Souness and Hoddle? Have we gone back to 2002?
This is thing. I can maybe see Dave's logic in that Souness is a take no prisoners sort of guy, and could have the short term impact that would at least get us moving in the right direction, but I do worry about managers who have been out of the game for an extended period. Thats why Hollier bombed at Villa. If we had got him striaght after his Liverpool spell then chances are he would have been a good appointment.
To me Allerdyce is the one stand out name who fits the billing for what we want right now and who we are most likely to get. He may well fancy a crack at a club like us, as we are a big club, but it would also present a challenge in getting us back as a stable top flight side. He may feel that he has taken West Ham as far as they can go. Only trouble would be the pay off, and we might have to wait til the Summer for him.
Laudrup, Klinsmann and Curblsey would be the others I would like at. The first two we might struggle to get, and my concern with Curblesy might again be the length of time he has spent out of the game, but his experience at competing at this end of the division might be useful.
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Souness? Really. A manager who took a League winning team, sold it and introduced Razor Ruddock and Julian Dicks to the Liverpool team. Who introduced the Geordies to the esteemed Centre Half pairing of Jean-Alan Boumsong & Titus Bramble. no thanks
He's had an up and down career. Mostly he did fail at big clubs, but at Newcastle he was quite unlucky with injuries. I thought he did a good job at Blackburn and also Southampton.
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Maybe - and this goes against just about everything I've said with regards to logic and perceived wisdom - it's time to gamble and bring in someone like Souness or even Hoddle until the end of the season with the additional remit to show their apprentice (Martin Laursen?) the ropes.
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We just need someone that can come in and organise the team and get more out of them until the end of the season.
There is enough in the squad to be at least the 4th worst team in the division.
If we do not do this soon we are very likely to drop.
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Maybe - and this goes against just about everything I've said with regards to logic and perceived wisdom - it's time to gamble and bring in someone like Souness or even Hoddle until the end of the season with the additional remit to show their apprentice (Martin Laursen?) the ropes.
I never really rated Hoddle that much, and with his ego issues I don't think he would get through to the players anyway. Souness maybe?
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Maybe - and this goes against just about everything I've said with regards to logic and perceived wisdom - it's time to gamble and bring in someone like Souness or even Hoddle until the end of the season with the additional remit to show their apprentice (Martin Laursen?) the ropes.
What makes you think Laursen would make a good manager? For example, Mourinho never played and Guillt was great but their managerial records are poles apart.
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Not Souness, but there must be a few short term options.
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Maybe - and this goes against just about everything I've said with regards to logic and perceived wisdom - it's time to gamble and bring in someone like Souness or even Hoddle until the end of the season with the additional remit to show their apprentice (Martin Laursen?) the ropes.
I never really rated Hoddle that much, and with his ego issues I don't think he would get through to the players anyway. Souness maybe?
Hoddle for me. The bloke may not be everyone's taste but in my opinion he's one of the best tacticians this country has produced. If anyone can work with this lot and unlock their creative ability he can. He's forgotten more about formations and playing styles than Lambert knows.
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Maybe - and this goes against just about everything I've said with regards to logic and perceived wisdom - it's time to gamble and bring in someone like Souness or even Hoddle until the end of the season with the additional remit to show their apprentice (Martin Laursen?) the ropes.
What makes you think Laursen would make a good manager? For example, Mourinho never played and Guillt was great but their managerial records are poles apart.
I've no idea, which is why I added the ?, meaning someone like him, and said it would be a gamble. So far we've had Messianic supremo,veteran Continental, journeyman and Next Big Thing, all of whom have failed to one degree or another. We have to break the mould somehow.
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Maybe - and this goes against just about everything I've said with regards to logic and perceived wisdom - it's time to gamble and bring in someone like Souness or even Hoddle until the end of the season with the additional remit to show their apprentice (Martin Laursen?) the ropes.
I never really rated Hoddle that much, and with his ego issues I don't think he would get through to the players anyway. Souness maybe?
Hoddle for me. The bloke may not be everyone's taste but in my opinion he's one of the best tacticians this country has produced. If anyone can work with this lot and unlock their creative ability he can. He's forgotten more about formations and playing styles than Lambert knows.
But the issue at Villa is more about motivation, i.e. getting the best out of the players. For me Hoddle only knows how to manage one way and if that didn't work he would just give up. I agree that tactics are a problem, but we have a good enough group of players at least in the first 11 to be aiming for at least mid-table. A manager with personality, intelliengence and just a few more fresh ideas than Lambert is what we need. Often having good awareness of tactics actually doesn't make you a top manager.
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Big fan of Hoddle, had enough of tactically inept Lambert.
He had no clue how to change the game last night, and his "offensive" purchases , apart from CB, have failed.
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Maybe - and this goes against just about everything I've said with regards to logic and perceived wisdom - it's time to gamble and bring in someone like Souness or even Hoddle until the end of the season with the additional remit to show their apprentice (Martin Laursen?) the ropes.
No, that's a terrible idea.
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Souness the bloke who dismantled the decades-old Liverpool boot room spirit in the space of a couple of years, and has spent the last few years being a pundit?
No ta.
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What do people think Big Sam as an option? To me he does stand out as one who could turn things around and at least make us stable. Whether we could get him right now is another issue. Also, he would want money to spend which maybe a problem if we don't have new owners by then.
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Maybe - and this goes against just about everything I've said with regards to logic and perceived wisdom - it's time to gamble and bring in someone like Souness or even Hoddle until the end of the season with the additional remit to show their apprentice (Martin Laursen?) the ropes.
What makes you think Laursen would make a good manager? For example, Mourinho never played and Guillt was great but their managerial records are poles apart.
I've no idea, which is why I added the ?, meaning someone like him, and said it would be a gamble. So far we've had Messianic supremo,veteran Continental, journeyman and Next Big Thing, all of whom have failed to one degree or another. We have to break the mould somehow.
Getting someone who can do the job regardless of what category they fall into is the only way to improve things. Souness falls into the category of veteran journeyman for example as he's only a couple of years younger than GH was when he joined. And been out of management longer.
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Hear what you say about Hoddle but he makes my flesh creep. While we are wishing I wish we could get a new manager who is likable (like BFR, SBL, The Real Concrete Ron, SGT). I am fed up with not liking DOL, MON, GH and TOSM. TSM was a rubbish manager but I quite liked him as a bloke.
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What do people think Big Sam as an option? To me he does stand out as one who could turn things around and at least make us stable. Whether we could get him right now is another issue. Also, he would want money to spend which maybe a problem if we don't have new owners by then.
Allerdyce. Absolutely. Proven winner and gets results. And he's from the Midlands.
Doubt he'd leave West Ham at the minute though!
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What do people think Big Sam as an option? To me he does stand out as one who could turn things around and at least make us stable. Whether we could get him right now is another issue. Also, he would want money to spend which maybe a problem if we don't have new owners by then.
Allerdyce. Absolutely. Proven winner and gets results. And he's from the Midlands.
Doubt he'd leave West Ham at the minute though!
No ta.
Horrible football, massive, massive twat, and he wouldn't leave West Ham anyway.
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Maybe - and this goes against just about everything I've said with regards to logic and perceived wisdom - it's time to gamble and bring in someone like Souness or even Hoddle until the end of the season with the additional remit to show their apprentice (Martin Laursen?) the ropes.
I agree. A Villa hero as a number 2 with an experienced manager alongside him would give us the maximum impact.
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Ruud Gullit, with spoonface Platt as no.2.
He'll always be a number 2, to some of us.
Talks a good game, but Moneybags Mancini had the pick of coaches from around the world and opted for him whilst he was at Citeh, so he must have something about him.
We have been crying out for something approximating coaching for donkeys years.
Who knows, he might even learn some of our players names.
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There is a lot of previous between Spoonface and Villa. He would probably prefer to go to Small Heath.
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Aye, he wouldn't be a universally popular choice -which is a bit odd, considering how good a player he was for us.
Self inflicted, mind. He barely seems to have a good word for the club since he left.
That said, if I could wear a tosser like Keane coming in in the hope it would improve us, I'd put up with an actual coach coming in.
Even if it's David Platt, who would eat himself if he could. And it looks like he's tried.
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What do people think Big Sam as an option? To me he does stand out as one who could turn things around and at least make us stable. Whether we could get him right now is another issue. Also, he would want money to spend which maybe a problem if we don't have new owners by then.
Allerdyce. Absolutely. Proven winner and gets results. And he's from the Midlands.
Doubt he'd leave West Ham at the minute though!
No ta.
Horrible football, massive, massive twat, and he wouldn't leave West Ham anyway.
His football isn't as horrible as you are making out. I don't know what makes him a massive twat and I think he would leave West Ham. He's got them playing good football based on decent level of resources. They are no pushovers for anyone. Quite frankly I'd be delighted if we were doing as well as West Ham this season.
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Out of contract soon isn't he? But let's not forget who his bosses are and I doubt it would be an easy transaction.
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Allardyce would not leave west ham for us
Rijkaard is my nr 1 choice .
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What do people think Big Sam as an option? To me he does stand out as one who could turn things around and at least make us stable. Whether we could get him right now is another issue. Also, he would want money to spend which maybe a problem if we don't have new owners by then.
Allerdyce. Absolutely. Proven winner and gets results. And he's from the Midlands.
Doubt he'd leave West Ham at the minute though!
No ta.
Horrible football, massive, massive twat, and he wouldn't leave West Ham anyway.
Disagree Paulie, not enough massive's
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Joe Kinnear?
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Jol ?
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If we were to continue with the current structure then I would go for Mark Hughes - he's got solid Prem experience and he would dp a lot better twith the current squad.
I'd prefer we put someone in charge to sort the club out top to bottom. The youth teams are shit, the reserves are shit and the first team are shit. Randy truly has overseen mismanagement of almost unprecedented levels.
I would bring in Sir Brian as our Director of Football (he loves the club and knows the fans) and have him sort the structure out and support a younger coach - Eddie Howe would be my choice
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Eddie Howe has done wonders for the winners of Villa's next cup tie. But he was shite when he tried to step up to Burnley.
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Eddie Howe has done wonders for the winners of Villa's next cup tie. But he was shite when he tried to step up to Burnley.
I am aware of that but he was 36/37 when he did so and had personal issues which didn't help I am led to believe. He has Bournemouth playing great football and with an older head beside him I think he is worth a shout. Has the potential to build something
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Looking at Southampton makes me think we should go for a coach outside England if necessary to bring new ideas in. I have no idea who, but the idea of Souness, Hoddle, and David fucking Platt are not exactly making me rummage through the wardrobe to find the dusty claret and blues to show off to the world again.
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Some of the names being discussed on here are astounding, Souness!!! FFS, Curbishley (been turned down for every job over the past 6-7 years), Hoddle.
We all know Lambert is going nowhere, unless he has a complete breakdown.
Houlier was the right type of appointment, with the right pedigree but a dodgy ticker.
We should be looking now at what appointment we can make in the summer and NOT some so called up & coming manager from The Championship or from from the list of failed managers listed in the other posts. The complete structure of the playing side of the club needs addressing, we need someone who is capable of changing that & that won't happen with a British manager. Most managers from Europe would come to the Premiership if the money was right, the next Wenger / Klopp is out there somewhere, but I don't have much hope that we'll find him.
Surely, we've got to be as attractive an option to other managers as Southampton were to Pochettino.
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Candleface Redknapp could be free by the end of the weekend !?
When it comes to the "Surely they wouldn't? Oh fucking hell, they have" candidate, worryingly Redknapp stands out for me.
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It's easy to forget when touting these up and comers that Paul Lambert was exactly that manager 3 years ago. Along with Rodgers he was the rising star. There's nothing to say that Edie Howe or Dyche wouldn't come to Villa all full of piss and vinegar and the situation ends up being too big for them. When the board gets criticized for bad hires, getting Lambert was considered a good one.
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I can see Lambert resigning around March. By which case it's hopefully not too late. Can't see him going in January though.
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Me? I once snared the quadrupedal for Villa on Championship Manager in 1994.
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Eddie Howe has done wonders for the winners of Villa's next cup tie. But he was shite when he tried to step up to Burnley.
Would prefer Nigel Clough.
Eddie Howe is just the latest fad .
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90% is just down to luck
You can make good and bad cases for loads if managers, sometimes you just get lucky
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Or unlucky
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What do people think Big Sam as an option? To me he does stand out as one who could turn things around and at least make us stable. Whether we could get him right now is another issue. Also, he would want money to spend which maybe a problem if we don't have new owners by then.
Allerdyce. Absolutely. Proven winner and gets results. And he's from the Midlands.
Doubt he'd leave West Ham at the minute though!
No ta.
Horrible football, massive, massive twat, and he wouldn't leave West Ham anyway.
His football isn't as horrible as you are making out. I don't know what makes him a massive twat and I think he would leave West Ham. He's got them playing good football based on decent level of resources. They are no pushovers for anyone. Quite frankly I'd be delighted if we were doing as well as West Ham this season.
Don't know what makes him a massive twat? Look into that stuff about him and Kevin Nolan pressurising players to go with their agent. The bloke is an absolute bell end.
He's had West Ham playing better football for about four months after twenty years of his teams playing some of the worst stuff I've ever seen.
I'd be delighted to do as well as they are this season, too, but I don't see why that is incompatible with not wanting the likes of Allardyce near this club.
The last thing we need is yet another fucking British management relic.
I genuinely have no idea why people moan on about Lambert and wanting him out because watching us is like having your face slowly pulled off the front of your head week after week, and then suggest they'd want the likes of Pulis or Allardyce.
Football is meant to be fun. Lambert has failed to make us fun to watch. Allardyce (despite the last few months) and Pulis are by-words for awful football.
Why would anyone want to sign up for more of that shite? If we got rid of Lambert, surely we'd be better off looking for a manager imbued in playing watchable football?
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West Ham arnt playing better football, the long ball stats are the same as last year
They just spent money on better players to play that the same way with better results
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West Ham arnt playing better football, the long ball stats are the same as last year
They just spent money on better players to play that the same way with better results
West Ham are doing better because they've signed better players. We're doing crap because we've signed rubbish players..
Its not rocket science
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The chance of us finding a long term replacement now is unlikely, we do however urgently need some one on a short term contract to turn this situation around. Sir Brian or GT would be my choice and then they could they on to help find a successor.
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The chance of us finding a long term replacement now is unlikely, we do however urgently need some one on a short term contract to turn this situation around. Sir Brian or GT would be my choice and then they could they on to help find a successor.
I love both but there is no way either of them is the answer, even short term.
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West Ham arnt playing better football, the long ball stats are the same as last year
They just spent money on better players to play that the same way with better results
West Ham are doing better because they've signed better players. We're doing crap because we've signed rubbish players..
Its not rocket science
I would still like to be able to buy better players and have a better manager who played better football with those better players though
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I genuinely have no idea why people moan on about Lambert and wanting him out because watching us is like having your face slowly pulled off the front of your head week after week, and then suggest they'd want the likes of Pulis or Allardyce.
Football is meant to be fun. Lambert has failed to make us fun to watch. Allardyce (despite the last few months) and Pulis are by-words for awful football.
Why would anyone want to sign up for more of that shite? If we got rid of Lambert, surely we'd be better off looking for a manager imbued in playing watchable football?
I largely agree with you, but I think most people suggested Pulis as a means of keeping us up, rather than for entertainment value. In any case, compared to Lambert; Pulis, Allardyce and Mark Hughes are purveyors of entertaining football of the sort you'd get if you crossed the Brazil team of the 70s with the Harlem Globetrotters! Lambert's football is the most witless drivel I've seen since McNeill stank the place out.
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I don't need Aston Villa to become Barcelona. My best memories of Aston Villa are those that involve a dominant centre forward and wingers who can beat the full back and put in deadly crosses. I like a high pressing direct style of football where we create a lot of chances and our Number 9 is a bully and scores goals as well as creating them. I'd be happy to have this manager or a manager come in and commit to that tactic. Like I said about Allardyce, if there is better out there that we can get then great. However, he tries to play that type of football. Whether he always has or did is debatable and largely irrelevant. But if we are trying to be realistic then he would check that box of someone who would be attainable and would relatively quickly make us solid and competitive. He's not Pulis and Hughes is in between the two.
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Allardyce has turned West Ham into a top half team quicker than Lambert has with us (and looks like he never will), also Allardyce has finished in the top 7 of the Premier League on occasions with Bolton and Blackburn, something Lambert hasn't ever done in this league and looks unlikely to ever do.
Comparing Lambert to him as a manager is actually doing Big Sam a massive disservice.
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It's easy to forget when touting these up and comers that Paul Lambert was exactly that manager 3 years ago. Along with Rodgers he was the rising star. There's nothing to say that Edie Howe or Dyche wouldn't come to Villa all full of piss and vinegar and the situation ends up being too big for them. When the board gets criticized for bad hires, getting Lambert was considered a good one.
Totally agree TV!
I think we all thought the Lambert appointment was the right one - based on what he had done/was doing at Norwich. We all saw that he had a team of players most of us had never heard of but had drilled into playing good, positive football, with no laying down to the "big" teams and giving it a good go.
I don't know what's happened but he seems to have changed his approach completely. I don't know why. And I wonder if HE does. It looks incredibly like crisis management to me! And the only way out is to change the management.
Replacement?
Anyone with a bit of tactical nous who can set a team up to give a good account of themselves as a team, with a clear plan and sense of purpose.
I have rarely seen that at VP, or beyond, for about two years.
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We need ABL - Anyone But Lambert
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Laudrup, Curbishley, Souness, all available to see the season through. Any one of them would be more preferable than Lambert.
Souness short-term would be a good move. He's an utterly lamentable character but he kicks arses.
So does Paolo di Canio!
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Laudrup perhaps.
Curbushley and Souness - wouldn't touch with yours!
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Totally agree TV!
I think we all thought the Lambert appointment was the right one - based on what he had done/was doing at Norwich. We all saw that he had a team of players most of us had never heard of but had drilled into playing good, positive football, with no laying down to the "big" teams and giving it a good go.
I don't know what's happened but he seems to have changed his approach completely. I don't know why. And I wonder if HE does. It looks incredibly like crisis management to me! And the only way out is to change the management.
Replacement?
Anyone with a bit of tactical nous who can set a team up to give a good account of themselves as a team, with a clear plan and sense of purpose.
I have rarely seen that at VP, or beyond, for about two years.
Lambert surprised teams with his tactics and it worked going through three divisions in three years.
Alas, HE decided to bomb experience for hungry players. He failed as his masterplan is to have two fullbacks who can provide width. Each leftback he has signed either cannot defend or attack. Same with a rightback. It smells of desperation when a player who does not figure in his plans is now is number one choice. (Hutton)
There us no plan B. Narrow football or else. The bollocks he states about more possession is the fact that we can pass it around to make him look good. We are set up to defend. We do not have one player other than Benteke who can beat his man. Yet each time he has two defenders to beat.
We are close to crossing the rubicon. Martinez the former Wigan manager (now Everton) was facing relegation (the season before the won the cup and were relegated). He changed his system to stay up. Lambert will not.
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Anyone mentioned Slavan Bilic? Certainly got a bit of passion about him. Besiktas second in the league.
Sure I read he was looking to come to the Preemier League (c Doug) Isn't he a bit how shall we say 'unorthodox' though. Maybe get Paolo in as his number 2?
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Leicester were up for it yesterday and whacked the ball into our box at every opportunity - a bit Stoke-like, a bit crude, perhaps - but they had a plan, and it worked! They could've been 3 up at half time and their goal came from us not being able to clear another pinpointed cross into our area, at pace, us on the back foot.
Palace did the same, esp at their place, as did Burnley in the last 15 minutes.
As TV says, I don't need Aston Villa to be Barcelona, but I want Aston Villa to create threats to the opposition goal, for their players to know they've been in a game and for their fans to think "f**k me, they know how to play a game don't they?" And I want us as Villa fans to have a sense of pride in what our team does and the way we do it. And if that is a long ball to Benteke that others can feed off, or playing counter attack using Gabby, Kozak and Weimann (like we did at Southampton last season) so be it. But I want us to be pro-active and reactive. Take the game to them and if they are getting the upper hand, do something to counteract it.
Steffo is right: there is no plan B!
We can't even keep possession from throw-ins ffs!
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Josep Gombau..... and yes he is a seriously good coach. His team plays attractive attacking football , think what he could do stepping up to the next level....pull this Villa dross out of the mire!!!
Can't say I know too much about this particular bloke but I hope we go with someone like this (howe, clement) rather than a Pulis where there is an obvious ceiling. Regrettably we do not have a DoF in place to help a guy like this whilst he is growing into the role.
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Bilic is going to get a shot at the PL at some point, can't see him moving until the summer though. Seems to be a good manager though, smart and able to harbour a good team spirit and togetherness.
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Bilic shoqs passion, untke mos
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Bilic shoqs passion, untke mos
Bit premature to post in Croatian in his honour.
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Some of the names being discussed on here are astounding, Souness!!! FFS, Curbishley (been turned down for every job over the past 6-7 years), Hoddle.
We all know Lambert is going nowhere, unless he has a complete breakdown.
Houlier was the right type of appointment, with the right pedigree but a dodgy ticker.
We should be looking now at what appointment we can make in the summer and NOT some so called up & coming manager from The Championship or from from the list of failed managers listed in the other posts. The complete structure of the playing side of the club needs addressing, we need someone who is capable of changing that & that won't happen with a British manager. Most managers from Europe would come to the Premiership if the money was right, the next Wenger / Klopp is out there somewhere, but I don't have much hope that we'll find him.
Surely, we've got to be as attractive an option to other managers as Southampton were to Pochettino.
Your comment on Curbsley doesn't really make sense. As far as I know he has not put himself forward for any positions. He has not been in the game for an extended period (which would be the main draw back if Villa did go for him), so I think after awhile you do lose that flavour of the month sort of tag, but it is just that than Curbsley has not been in the spotlight for awhile, other faces pop up, do well and so chairmen just don't think of him as a contender.
The other side of this is that some of us seem to have to be stuck in the past, and are still looking at Villa like we should be a top six club, who consistently challenge for cups, and so when judging which managers we go for you think in those terms also. I want us to return to those days just as much, but as the old clitche goes you must run before you can walk. Our next appointment (should one be fourth coming) needs to be a solid experience hand who is used to scraps, and can stablised the club while spending very little money. AC and Big Sam both fit the billing IMO, once I thought Lambert did, but no longer.
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Anyone mentioned Slavan Bilic? Certainly got a bit of passion about him. Besiktas second in the league.
Sure I read he was looking to come to the Preemier League (c Doug) Isn't he a bit how shall we say 'unorthodox' though. Maybe get Paolo in as his number 2?
I mentioned Bilic a few pages ago. Would definitely seriously consider him.
Ever since I found out Villa Fan Cesare Prandeli left Galatasary last month I don't want anyone else!
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No way will Lerner sack Lambert before the season has finished. I would be shocked if he did and Lambert seems to be getting backed in the window. As this thread proves, there's hardly standout candidates as replacements.
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Hughes would of been good but we didn't take him when he left Fulham.
Curbishley no job since WHU IIRC he took them to court over his sacking and since he won been blacklisted since.
Laudrup did very well at Swansea to start but they turned into a side who passed and passed and got no where ,remind you of another team.
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Hughes would of been good but we didn't take him when he left Fulham.
Curbishley no job since WHU IIRC he took them to court over his sacking and since he won been blacklisted since.
Laudrup did very well at Swansea to start but they turned into a side who passed and passed and got no where ,remind you of another team.
Laudup's agent also touted him for any major club that came sniffing. Jenkins finally had enough and pulled the trigger.
No thanks.
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He's not going to be replaced anytime soon I'm afraid .
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Bump
I can imagine Lambert monitoring this page, seeing this link dropping down the page order and thinking our outrage is over
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I know he still has a way to go, but does anyone else find it funny than Lambert could be at Villa just as long as MON, you know the manager who got us three top six finishes compared to Lambert's none ;)
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I know he still has a way to go, but does anyone else find it funny than Lambert could be at Villa just as long as MON, you know the manager who got us three top six finishes compared to Lambert's none ;)
No. What's funny about it ?
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^ Might have meant more ironic than funny, wrong choice of words maybe :-X
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it's just depressing, really.
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I would welcome pretty much anybody at the moment. My priorities are not even football ones. I would be happy with a manager with a big, outgoing, positive personality with a smile and a clear speaking voice who does not speak in worn out cliches and try to fanny up the supporters with what we already know about our own club. And who is prepared to use his place in the dugout to drive his players and encourage them and bollock them if necessary, not sit there like a shit struck bystander scribbling notes and occasionally getting up, clapping his hands and sitting down again.
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I would welcome pretty much anybody at the moment. My priorities are not even football ones. I would be happy with a manager with a big, outgoing, positive personality with a smile and a clear speaking voice who does not speak in worn out cliches and try to fanny up the supporters with what we already know about our own club. And who is prepared to use his place in the dugout to drive his players and encourage them and bollock them if necessary, not sit there like a shit struck bystander scribbling notes and occasionally getting up, clapping his hands and sitting down again.
That sounds just like me Brian if you would pay the air fare.
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Our prayers might be about to be answered as regards a new manager becoming available. 'Arry on dodgy ground at QPR apparently. We know how much he loves us.
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Why do people persist with this regionalist nonsense about Lamberts accent? Fergie had a strong Glaswegian accent too and much like Lamberts, its irrelevant to his ability as a football manager.
Lambert could have any accent he liked and it wouldn't alter the message he communicates. That is the problem, his ideas on setting a side up, not the lilt of the words its delivered in. Its such a cheap nonsense when there is so much of relevance to criticise him with.
I also have little time for pantomime passion. Steve McLaren sits in the stands, it doesnt stop his Derby side being a good outfit. Gary Megson used to jump up and down- so what?
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I never got the 'mumbling' thing either. Can people honestly not understand what he's saying?
As if there isn't enough to criticise him for already.
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I can honestly say that I struggle to understand what he's saying but have nothing against his accent . As to a possible successor, I don't have a clue but was struck the other day but Lambert's similarity to some of the seven dwarfs, particularly Dopey, Grumpy and Sleepy.
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but it's no reason to be critical of him. It has nothing to do with him winning games. There are managers all over europe that work in different countries who can barely speak the language yet find ways to be successful. I think its' really cheap to keep referring to him as "mumbles" or similar nonsense. The dislike of him doesn't need to get personal. There's a ton of material out there already to keep us all busy if we are looking for holes in his ability to manage the club.
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I know he still has a way to go, but does anyone else find it funny than Lambert could be at Villa just as long as MON, you know the manager who got us three top six finishes compared to Lambert's none ;)
This is the argument that frustrates me most - comparing the MON era to the Lambert era is like comparing the taste of Stilton and the taste of a Bournon biscuit - the two are completely unrelated. Why? Because MON had a free hand for most his tenure to spend (and boy did he) whereas Lambert has not. It was MON who signed players to outrageous long term expensive contracts that we are still recovering from today.
I don't mnd people complaining about the style of football, or his signings, his accent, whatever. But if they think it's reasonsnle to compare results diring the MON/Lambert eras, they really need to take off the rose tinted glasses, open the curtains, take a basic course in math, and stop adding Magic mushrooms to their cornflakes.
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Maths
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Maths
You try walking on the pavement in Noo Yoik City and you will get run over by a vee hickle or written up for jay walking.
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Yoo talkin' to me?
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I really hope to see some movement in this thread this week. Sack him, put someone else in charge for the cup game next week. Two weeks to find another Manager. A boost for the rest of the season.
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I really hope to see some movement in this thread this week. Sack him, put someone else in charge for the cup game next week. Two weeks to find another Manager. A boost for the rest of the season.
A huge boost for the fans too, it's relentlessly dull.
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I never got the 'mumbling' thing either. Can people honestly not understand what he's saying?
As if there isn't enough to criticise him for already.
I heard a quote today from someone unbiased. "Why doesn't he speak up? I can't understand him"! To be fair my mother is eighty on Tuesday. Also, in case you are wondering if I am joking that is genuinely what my mum said when he was interviewed earlier.
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Dalglish had a harder to understand accent than Lambert.
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I'm sure he (Dalglish) did it on purpose.
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I too can't stand all this fucking pointless "ooh, he's thick because he's Scottish sounding" or "he mumbles" nonsense. It is just that, nonsense. Who gives a fuck if he mumbles?
Like there aren't already several dozen other, more relevant things to have a pop at him about.
If anything, he doesn't mumble enough. I'm sure if i couldn't understand his post match interviews, I'd generally be much happier.
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Tonight he wound me up intensely. Excellent my arse. Grrrr...
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I too can't stand all this fucking pointless "ooh, he's thick because he's Scottish sounding" or "he mumbles" nonsense. It is just that, nonsense. Who gives a fuck if he mumbles?
Like there aren't already several dozen other, more relevant things to have a pop at him about.
If anything, he doesn't mumble enough. I'm sure if i couldn't understand his post match interviews, I'd generally be much happier.
Maybe. But any sort of Churchillian speech would be lost with such mumbling. He was interviewed earlier tonight And for a few seconds I couldn't work out what he had said.
The accent is one thing, but he doesn't really show any emotion, whether happy or sad. Just monotoned. Its not great when you are trying to inspire someone, let alone a struggling team
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That's it, if he were straight talking he'd piss me off a bit less and I could understand when he' talk shit when we had a young side, protecting the players and that but it's the same drivel no matter what, rain or shine we were excellent or could have had a result. For fuck sake Paul pull your head out of your arsehole and start talking some sense and yes I do want to see him animated on the touch line, call me old fashioned but he fucks me off when he's sat there like a wet blanket as we get played off the park again, get off your arse, you don't have to rant and rave but give the players some instructions because they bloody need it. Right now everything he says goes over my head because he'd got no credibility and it's looking like the same with the players, he's on the verge of becoming a laughing stock.
I want to hear something insightful from him or see something new and inventive that makes me think actually he might have something to offer but he doesn't.
Same team selections.
Same team set ups.
Same substitutions.
Same excuses that are an insult to our intelligence. We are not blind, we can see the team is pants.
He really pisses me off and I can't wait to see the back of the dumb and dumber partnership we've got going, fitting that we should make Gabby club captain, possibly the dumbest player in the squad.
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Tonight he wound me up intensely. Excellent my arse. Grrrr...
On Bizarro World "excellent" means that things are completely and utterly gash. It is possible that his body is in this world, but during the journey his mind was held back at customs.
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Tonight he wound me up intensely. Excellent my arse. Grrrr...
I really can't watch his interviews anymore. Whether he is mumbling or talking, to me it just sounds like horse shit.
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I honestly cannot think of a suitable replacement for Lambert that is out of work. I'm not saying there isn't one, just that my knowledge of out-of-work football managers is far from comprehensive.
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does he have to be out of work? Are we so impoverished, financially and imaginatively, that we have to limit the scope of our ambition to someone we don't have to pay compo to?
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Probably.
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I'd imagine compensation for the remaining years of his contract would only be paid if he isn't working. As soon as he takes a new job I'd guess the payments stop. Right now we can't afford to keep him.
As for alternative managers, there are plenty out there, both working and available. The only real question is whether we replace Lambert now or wait until the summer. Replacing now would possibly mean paying compensation to both Lambert and his successor's club. Somebody like Thomas Tuchel is available but we'd need to reach agreement with Mainz to release him, even though he's no longer working.
Managers like Frank de Boer would probably mean we have to wait until the summer. I really hope this time we aim high and get somebody in that can really lift the club and finally get us moving in the right direction. I recall Brian Green on here saying how much we need to go out and pay whatever it takes to get the right manager and I wholeheartedly agree.
I wonder how much more interested Randy Lerner would have been if he hadn't had to work with such poor managers? Everything starts and ends with the manager. Players come and go but the manager is not only the spokesman of the club but also it's heartbeat. Right now we barely have a pulse and the only thing keeping the club alive are the fans.
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Lerner's misfortune was that when he was putting serious money into the club with proud history bright future iniative he ended up with absolutely the wrong manager in O'Neil. O'Neil did very well within his own capability however Lerner needed a good football man to tell him to replace O'Neil after the first season.
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I honestly cannot think of a suitable replacement for Lambert that is out of work. I'm not saying there isn't one, just that my knowledge of out-of-work football managers is far from comprehensive.
Why only out of work? Our two best managers in the recent past (BFR and Sir BL) were poached from other clubs...oh hang on so was our worst!
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I honestly cannot think of a suitable replacement for Lambert that is out of work. I'm not saying there isn't one, just that my knowledge of out-of-work football managers is far from comprehensive.
Kevin Keegan's out of work
We would score goals and be entertaining
That's that sorted
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I honestly cannot think of a suitable replacement for Lambert that is out of work. I'm not saying there isn't one, just that my knowledge of out-of-work football managers is far from comprehensive.
Kevin Keegan's out of work
We would score goals and be entertaining
That's that sorted
Let's have a yes/no Keegan poll.
I would love it, really love it/I really wouldn't love it
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Lerner's misfortune was that when he was putting serious money into the club with proud history bright future iniative he ended up with absolutely the wrong manager in O'Neil. O'Neil did very well within his own capability however Lerner needed a good football man to tell him to replace O'Neil after the first season.
Any successful businessman will tell you that you can't work into an organisation that you're not familiar with and blindly assume that people know what they're doing. Lerner was an absolute idiot for not putting together an executive team who were vastly experienced in football. Had he done that before investing the sums that he did, we (and Lerner himself) would be in a much better position.
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Not a very popular candidate on previous new manager threads but what I would give for Big Sam now, what a job he has done this season and there still not that keen on him down at the Hammers.
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Lets get Redknapp in.
joke :)
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Can we also have a poll and see how many people think Ian Holloway would be a good choice
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Lets get Redknapp in.
joke :)
Harry or Jamie?
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Lets get Redknapp in.
joke :)
Was the big blank space in the middle a copy of his last tax declaration?
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It was space for his Dog :)
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Can we also have a poll and see how many people think Ian Holloway would be a good choice
As for playing a new version of Davros in Dr Who, yes. Villa manager, no.
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Lets get Redknapp in.
joke :)
Harry or Jamie?
Bollocks to those two just get Louise in.
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The scary thing is that Lambert has done such a bad job that you can't imagine anybody else doing worse including someone like Holloway ;)
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Can we also have a poll and see how many people think Ian Holloway would be a good choice
We're not a big enough club for him.
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The scary thing is that Lambert has done such a bad job that you can't imagine anybody else doing worse including someone like Holloway ;)
Right now I'd more than welcome replacing him with anybody from Holloway prison.
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Lets get Redknapp in.
joke :)
Harry or Jamie?
Preferably Louise.
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Lets get Redknapp in.
joke :)
Harry or Jamie?
Preferably Louise.
Is that the name of the dog?
Honest question.
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Lets get Redknapp in.
joke :)
Harry or Jamie?
Preferably Louise.
Is that the name of the dog?
Honest question.
Jamie and Harry better answer that one.
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Lets get Redknapp in.
joke :)
Harry or Jamie?
Preferably Louise.
Is that the name of the dog?
Honest question.
I wouldn't call her a dog!
http://www.fansshare.com/gallery/photos/11120615/kinopoiskru-louise-redknapp/?displaying
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Gary Neville.
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Just watched Pulis being interviewed on Sky and can't help thinking that we've missed a huge trick there. I love the way that he gives a real honest appraisal of his team's performances and highlights exactly what they need to improve on. He's almost the anti-Lambert in that sense.
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Ooooooh. That Louise!
She's alright, her.
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Thing is if we get Louise as manager then we'll have Jamie hanging out of the back of her all the time.
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Just watched Pulis being interviewed on Sky and can't help thinking that we've missed a huge trick there. I love the way that he gives a real honest appraisal of his team's performances and highlights exactly what they need to improve on. He's almost the anti-Lambert in that sense.
His general comments about approach to the game and coaching teams that I heard recently - on 5Live? - were very impressive, insightful and eloquently stated. I was surprised. Should I have been?
He went up in my estimation no end.
Trouble is, as I was thinking that, I thought he'd be great for getting us out of the mire but I wouldn't like him hanging around too much longer than that...until we got a proper manager in sorta thing.
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I'd take Martinez right now
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I'd take Martinez right now
I'd rather take Louise to be honest.
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Just watched Pulis being interviewed on Sky and can't help thinking that we've missed a huge trick there. I love the way that he gives a real honest appraisal of his team's performances and highlights exactly what they need to improve on. He's almost the anti-Lambert in that sense.
His general comments about approach to the game and coaching teams that I heard recently - on 5Live? - were very impressive, insightful and eloquently stated. I was surprised. Should I have been?
He went up in my estimation no end.
Trouble is, as I was thinking that, I thought he'd be great for getting us out of the mire but I wouldn't like him hanging around too much longer than that...until we got a proper manager in sorta thing.
I think at the right club he could be a really top manager. He seems to have all the attributes to me. He's tactically minded, he speaks with authority, hex pragmatic in his approach to the game (doesn't religiously follow one style, etc). I really do think he'll ease the Baggies to safety from here on in.
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Something he said there was spot on.
If you give instructions and players see results they can buy into a new strategy or approach far quicker.
The opposite is currently the case with us. In fact, I'm not sure the players have been particularly convinced by Lambert's approach for 18 months now. The fans aren't, so why would we expect them to be. He's not operating from a position of strength.
We've all probably worked for bosses we don't much have much time for. We might have misgivings about their approach, but if there is method in the madness and -crucially- if it works, we tend to think they at least know what they're talking about.
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I must add that I wouldn't want Pulis within a 50 mile radius of Villa Park.
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I must add that I wouldn't want Pulis within a 50 mile radius of Villa Park.
Too late. Sorry that Sandwell has snuck up on you like that.
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I really dislike Pulis. That baseball cap alone is just an affront to human decency.
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You can hear Pulis gobbing off on the touchline for half of the game. I don't know if that's normal but I could tonight. Pulis' tactics might have put Everton fans to sleep though.
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Lets get Redknapp in.
joke :)
Harry or Jamie?
Sandra. She's better than Bent and we need goals
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Thing is if we get Louise as manager then we'll have Jamie hanging out of the back of her all the time.
I was disappointed to discover that comment offends people. I was going around saying it all the time because someone told me it would get me a cushy Talksport gig in Dubai.
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Thing is if we get Louise as manager then we'll have Jamie hanging out of the back of her all the time.
I was disappointed to discover that comment offends people. I was going around saying it all the time because someone told me it would get me a cushy Talksport gig in Dubai.
I remember years ago when Scrawn and Lard were on Radio 1 and she was on and they were taking the piss out of her asking if she'd seen photos of Harry as that was what Jamie was gonna look like soon.
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I dreamt that Gareth Barry returned as manager last night.
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Curbs.
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I dreamt that Gareth Barry returned as manager last night.
Isn't that a Billy Bragg song?
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Curbs.
We don't want David Pleat here!
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I dreamt that Gareth Barry returned as manager last night.
Isn't that a Billy Bragg song?
It's wrong to wish on custard pants
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I would want Aston Villa to look for next generation of Arsene Wenger and then we are sorted for 20 years. Don't ask me who, but I don't want tried and trusted names in UK as most of them are hopeless.
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i'd go for sean dyche.
young, intelligent, ambitious... probably wouldn't want the job!
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i'd go for sean dyche.
young, intelligent, ambitious... probably wouldn't want the job!
In fact everything Paul Lambert was when we wanted him
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i'd go for sean dyche.
young, intelligent, ambitious... probably wouldn't want the job!
While he was at Norwich, aren't those pretty much the exact words that people would have used to describe our current manager?
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i'd go for sean dyche.
young, intelligent, ambitious... probably wouldn't want the job!
In fact everything Paul Lambert was when we wanted him
i'd go for sean dyche.
young, intelligent, ambitious... probably wouldn't want the job!
While he was at Norwich, aren't those pretty much the exact words that people would have used to describe our current manager?
Is the right answer x2!
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Which is why it is incorrect when people criticise the board for making a bad hire in Lambert. He wasn't. He was the manager that many people wanted because he ticked many, if not all of the boxes. Progressive, aggressive, liked attacking football, not afraid tactically, clever in the market especially on a restricted budget. He was going to come in, be the anti McLeish and astutely take on the big boys while stabilization is over the long term.
That he has gone away from so much of what made him the manager we all wanted in the first place goes beyond disappointing.
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I certainly wanted him at the time. I think the job has beaten him, the size of the task and the weight of expectations have taken their toll and he looks and sounds like a beaten man to me.
I think he has become so desperate not to fail that all semblance of taking risks, taking a chance with tactics and being adventurous have been overridden by becoming ultra safe and negative. He is a different manager now to what he was previously, shame for him and us that it hasn't worked out.
Once you get in that frame of mind, it is really difficult to turn it around
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His transformation from attacking and scoring quite brilliant team goals in his first season, to the negative shambles he has become has been quite remarkable.
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Just watched Pulis being interviewed on Sky and can't help thinking that we've missed a huge trick there. I love the way that he gives a real honest appraisal of his team's performances and highlights exactly what they need to improve on. He's almost the anti-Lambert in that sense.
They had two shots, none of which were on target. We haven't missed out on anything.
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Curbs.
We don't want David Pleat here!
I got it Ron.
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Laudrup for me.. but then again, I wanted lambert.
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I wonder what change him as a manager is it Randy Lerner ?
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Just watched Pulis being interviewed on Sky and can't help thinking that we've missed a huge trick there. I love the way that he gives a real honest appraisal of his team's performances and highlights exactly what they need to improve on. He's almost the anti-Lambert in that sense.
They had two shots, none of which were on target. We haven't missed out on anything.
They also conceded 3 less goals than we did on our trip to Goodison.
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We have a good defensive record anyway, I am just curious why you want to swap a manager who cannot get his teams to create and score for another, who has a reputation for playing as equally mindnumbingly bleak football.
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Unless Sean Dyche learns how to clear his throat before speaking it's a no from me. His voice is like nails on a chalkboard for me.
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Unless Sean Dyche learns how to clear his throat before speaking it's a no from me. His voice is like nails on a chalkboard for me.
I don't want that to be a stick to beat him with once it all goes shit shaped. That the players can't understand him or that his voice is annoying as to why we are not winning games or playing well.
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We have a good defensive record anyway, I am just curious why you want to swap a manager who cannot get his teams to create and score for another, who has a reputation for playing as equally mindnumbingly bleak football.
It's more about wanting to swap a Manager who has shown no signs of being able to effectively coach or set-up a team in 3 years for one who seems to specialise in it. And about swapping a Manager who has never coherently acknowledged any of his teams' failings or spoken about specific improvements with any substance in any media interview I've ever heard him give to one who does just that.
In terms of entertainment, you can't rate Pulis on last night. He's gone in to WBA with the immediate intention of making them hard to beat, which he seems to have done.
We're talking about a Manager who recorded a 42.86% win-percentage at Crystal Palace. That's Crystal Palace. In the Premiership. He may be route-one at times, but I'd take that kind of "mind-numbing bleakness" over Lambert any day of the week.
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Which is why it is incorrect when people criticise the board for making a bad hire in Lambert. He wasn't. He was the manager that many people wanted because he ticked many, if not all of the boxes. Progressive, aggressive, liked attacking football, not afraid tactically, clever in the market especially on a restricted budget. He was going to come in, be the anti McLeish and astutely take on the big boys while stabilization is over the long term.
That he has gone away from so much of what made him the manager we all wanted in the first place goes beyond disappointing.
Which is what most of us probably struggle to understand about him - and why we've been so patient?
His Norwich teams, full of players we'd never heard of, always seemed to be well set up and always looked threatening when they played at VP and elsewhere - fast, incisive movement and passing, and scoring some really well-made goals.
WTF happened?
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Which is why it is incorrect when people criticise the board for making a bad hire in Lambert. He wasn't. He was the manager that many people wanted because he ticked many, if not all of the boxes. Progressive, aggressive, liked attacking football, not afraid tactically, clever in the market especially on a restricted budget. He was going to come in, be the anti McLeish and astutely take on the big boys while stabilization is over the long term.
That he has gone away from so much of what made him the manager we all wanted in the first place goes beyond disappointing.
Which is what most of us probably struggle to understand about him - and why we've been so patient?
His Norwich teams, full of players we'd never heard of, always seemed to be well set up and always looked threatening when they played at VP and elsewhere - fast, incisive movement and passing, and scoring some really well-made goals.
WTF happened?
Agree with all of this, however this discussion might as well be closed now and resurrected in 3.5 years time as he'll still be here then unless we are sold and the new owner wants a change.
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We have a good defensive record anyway, I am just curious why you want to swap a manager who cannot get his teams to create and score for another, who has a reputation for playing as equally mindnumbingly bleak football.
It's more about wanting to swap a Manager who has shown no signs of being able to effectively coach or set-up a team in 3 years for one who seems to specialise in it. And about swapping a Manager who has never coherently acknowledged any of his teams' failings or spoken about specific improvements with any substance in any media interview I've ever hear him give to one how does just that.
In terms of entertainment, yu can't rate Pulis on last night. He's gone in to WBA with the immediate intention of making them hard to beat, which he seems to have done.
We're talking about a Manager who recorded a 42.86% win-percentage at Crystal Palace. That's Crystal palace. In the Premiership. He may be route-one at times, but I'd take that kind of "mind-numbing bleakness" over Lambert any day of the week.
I'm not rating Pulis on last night, I rate him on the basis of £100 million spent at Stoke in the creation of the worst football side I have ever seen.
There have been far less effective teams at getting results, but they were by far and away the most awful.
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I think if some people would have been receptive to Pulis, it's because they've concluded that if we're going to be forced to watch this mind-numbingly shit football, we might as well appoint someone who can do it properly, and who is more likely to have us sitting comfortably in mid-table and not looking nervously over our shoulders until the end of April.
All of which is predicated on the strange assumption that Villa, for some reason, are obligated to play crap, uninspiring football.
It's like we're the victims of some weird football Stockholm syndrome.
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We have a good defensive record anyway, I am just curious why you want to swap a manager who cannot get his teams to create and score for another, who has a reputation for playing as equally mindnumbingly bleak football.
It's more about wanting to swap a Manager who has shown no signs of being able to effectively coach or set-up a team in 3 years for one who seems to specialise in it. And about swapping a Manager who has never coherently acknowledged any of his teams' failings or spoken about specific improvements with any substance in any media interview I've ever hear him give to one how does just that.
In terms of entertainment, yu can't rate Pulis on last night. He's gone in to WBA with the immediate intention of making them hard to beat, which he seems to have done.
We're talking about a Manager who recorded a 42.86% win-percentage at Crystal Palace. That's Crystal palace. In the Premiership. He may be route-one at times, but I'd take that kind of "mind-numbing bleakness" over Lambert any day of the week.
I'm not rating Pulis on last night, I rate him on the basis of £100 million spent at Stoke in the creation of the worst football side I have ever seen.
There have been far less effective teams at getting results, but they were by far and away the most awful.
£100 million spent over how many years though? Stoke were nowhere near the top of the big-spending list during his time there and what he achieved with them was nothing short of superb. His Palace side played some really good football during their great escape too.
I see him as a pragmatist. You see him as the purveyor of "the worst football side you'v ever seen." Like Lambert seems to, you're failing to recognise that football's basic premise is to stick the ball in the back of the opponent's net.
He's a manager who finds a way for his teams to finish as high up the table as they possibly can, and that's why I'd take him over Lambert in a heartbeat.
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A jar of marmalade or a house brick would be a viable alternative to Paul Lambert.
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Unless Sean Dyche learns how to clear his throat before speaking it's a no from me. His voice is like nails on a chalkboard for me.
I don't want that to be a stick to beat him with once it all goes shit shaped. That the players can't understand him or that his voice is annoying as to why we are not winning games or playing well.
Maybe we should employ a mute manager ? Fluent in sign language of course. It might help said mute that he were deaf too ? No offence to any mute or deaf people reading this.
Or maybe this guy ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henk_ten_Cate
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Pulis has one remit and thats to keep the Baggies in the prem, if you think we are in trouble then look at their squad. I don't know if he could spend big whether his football ideology would change but the team agaist Everton worked their socks off. He will keep them up.
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Unless Sean Dyche learns how to clear his throat before speaking it's a no from me. His voice is like nails on a chalkboard for me.
I don't want that to be a stick to beat him with once it all goes shit shaped. That the players can't understand him or that his voice is annoying as to why we are not winning games or playing well.
Maybe we should employ a mute manager ? Fluent in sign language of course. It might help said mute that he were deaf too ? No offence to any mute or deaf people reading this.
Or maybe this guy ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henk_ten_Cate
An interesting option, certainly more experience than Lambert and with a director of football who knows the English League and decent coaches would probably be given time by the fans to establish himself.
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Unless Sean Dyche learns how to clear his throat before speaking it's a no from me. His voice is like nails on a chalkboard for me.
I don't want that to be a stick to beat him with once it all goes shit shaped. That the players can't understand him or that his voice is annoying as to why we are not winning games or playing well.
Maybe we should employ a mute manager ? Fluent in sign language of course. It might help said mute that he were deaf too ? No offence to any mute or deaf people reading this.
Or maybe this guy ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henk_ten_Cate
An interesting option, certainly more experience than Lambert and with a director of football who knows the English League and decent coaches would probably be given time by the fans to establish himself.
Exactly the kind of appointment we should look to make.
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I see Newcastle are looking to line up Frank de Boer as their new manager in the summer. I wonder if we're also studying the market and looking to bring in somebody with such pedigree?
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I see Newcastle are looking to line up Frank de Boer as their new manager in the summer. I wonder if we're also studying the market and looking to bring in somebody with such pedigree?
Are we fuck, we're looking at ways of helping Mr Tactics not be so crap.
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I see Newcastle are looking to line up Frank de Boer as their new manager in the summer. I wonder if we're also studying the market and looking to bring in somebody with such pedigree?
You seen our last three managerial appointments?
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I see Newcastle are looking to line up Frank de Boer as their new manager in the summer. I wonder if we're also studying the market and looking to bring in somebody with such pedigree?
You seen our last three managerial appointments?
On which basis we would be looking at a foreign manager with a dodgy ticker who has been out of club management for a while, Gary Rowett and Nigel Pearson.
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I see Newcastle are looking to line up Frank de Boer as their new manager in the summer. I wonder if we're also studying the market and looking to bring in somebody with such pedigree?
You seen our last three managerial appointments?
I've seen our last five, so by my reckoning it's about time we got it right for once. If the season continues as it is, pre-season ticket enquiries will send out an huge message to the board that the fans won't suffer another season with Lambert, assuming he lasts this season.
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I think I have as good a chance of becoming Newcastle's new manager than De Boer does, he has a much bigger job in him.
We will only get a new manager if we go down, and if that does happen then it restricts the quality of manager, but that guy at Middlesbrough is doing a good job, seems to have the ability to coach which is something that has been missing at BH for quite a while now.
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If McClaren doesn't get Derby up I reckon he'd be a reasonable shout. Forget the England thing (we're shit as every other England manager finds to their cost) and that interview and you have a tactically sound club manager who can win a trophy and play decent enough stuff. I think he's rebuilt his reputation since the national team and probably thinks he deserves a crack at the Prem again. I'm sure he'll want to do that with Derby but if they fail two seasons on the trot then he'll be tempted to look, I'm sure. Rather have him than someone like Pulis, who was everyone's flavour of the month until recently.
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I think I have as good a chance of becoming Newcastle's new manager than De Boer does, he has a much bigger job in him.
That's what I thought to but credit to the Barcodes, they aim high and he has he's interested but only at the end of the season. Only problem for them, even if they manage to get him is has ambitions to manage in Spain and Germany too. Might be a short stay before they have to look again.
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I say this every time we're looking to appoint someone: we should push the boat out and go for the very best who's interested. Relative to players' salaries and transfer fees it doesn't cost that much and it's the most influential post.
If we appoint someone largely on the basis that they're willing to work under tight financial constraints, or if we continue to do things on the cheap then we deserve everything we get.
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I think I have as good a chance of becoming Newcastle's new manager than De Boer does, he has a much bigger job in him.
We will only get a new manager if we go down, and if that does happen then it restricts the quality of manager, but that guy at Middlesbrough is doing a good job, seems to have the ability to coach which is something that has been missing at BH for quite a while now.
De Boer may have looked at Pochettino and Koeman and thought taking on a middling PL club is a good step. It seemed to be working well for Laudrup too for a while.
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I think I have as good a chance of becoming Newcastle's new manager than De Boer does, he has a much bigger job in him.
We will only get a new manager if we go down, and if that does happen then it restricts the quality of manager, but that guy at Middlesbrough is doing a good job, seems to have the ability to coach which is something that has been missing at BH for quite a while now.
He has got a decent pedigree as well. Played at a high level in Spain and was Mourinho's assistant at Real Madrid. He's done a very good job at Middlesbrough and turned them around.
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There must be hundreds of decent managers/coaches out there that wouldn't mind picking up £2m a year that could do a better job than Lambert.
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I want noted Villa fan Cesare Prandelli. That's my benchmark. The gap between his tactical thinking and Lambert's 'Hodor Hodor Hodor' approach is quite big.
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I want noted Villa fan Cesare Prandelli.
When did it come out that he was a Villa fan?
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I want noted Villa fan Cesare Prandelli.
When did it come out that he was a Villa fan?
There was a thing about him on the OS over the summer.
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Break the bank for Rafa Benitez.
He made an impressive job at Liverpool almost winning the league with the worst owners imaginable before it fell apart. However, at Napoli he has come across as somewhat uninspired.
Would be a massive upgrade on Lambert, though. A great tactician and should be able to bring decent coaches with him. Probably available in the summer.
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Break the bank for Rafa Benitez.
He made an impressive job at Liverpool almost winning the league with the worst owners imaginable before it fell apart. However, at Napoli he has come across as somewhat uninspired.
Would be a massive upgrade on Lambert, though. A great tactician and should be able to bring decent coaches with him. Probably available in the summer.
We'd need a takeover for that to happen. Didn't he laugh Lerner out the door when he was in talks with us after MON (or was it Houllier??) when he heard our transfer budget?
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I want noted Villa fan Cesare Prandelli. That's my benchmark. The gap between his tactical thinking and Lambert's 'Hodor Hodor Hodor' approach is quite big.
He's available right now, in fact he could probably start tomorrow. The question is, is he worth paying an extra £1m a season more than we currently pay Lambert?
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Needs to be foreign for me.
Fed up of these unispiring high tempo British managers.
We were along the right lines with the Houllier experiment, just the wrong age and health of the person we appointed.
The last 4 years have been such a wretched waste.
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I want noted Villa fan Cesare Prandelli. That's my benchmark. The gap between his tactical thinking and Lambert's 'Hodor Hodor Hodor' approach is quite big.
He's available right now, in fact he could probably start tomorrow. The question is, is he worth paying an extra £1m a season more than we currently pay Lambert?
Yes. Yes it is.
God, I can't believe we actually pay Lambert for this. It's like tipping your own mugger.
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Michael Laudrup. Please
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I'm all for promoting from within.
I'd give Fox a chance, if he doesn't get a go somebody else will snare him
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I want noted Villa fan Cesare Prandelli. That's my benchmark. The gap between his tactical thinking and Lambert's 'Hodor Hodor Hodor' approach is quite big.
He's available right now, in fact he could probably start tomorrow. The question is, is he worth paying an extra £1m a season more than we currently pay Lambert?
Yes. Yes it is.
God, I can't believe we actually pay Lambert for this. It's like tipping your own mugger.
He was only on £2m a year as Coach of the Italian side but got paid more, probably danger money, when he went to Gala but he does want to manage in England. I know that he'd been working on his English last year, so no problems there. It could be the smarted investment Lerner ever made if he were to bring him in.
Look at it this way, given the choice, you can either sign Tom Cleverly or pay off Lambert and have Cesare Prandelli as your new manager. The wages we'd pay Cleverly would cover Cesare Prandelli's salary. The choice is yours?
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I want noted Villa fan Cesare Prandelli. That's my benchmark. The gap between his tactical thinking and Lambert's 'Hodor Hodor Hodor' approach is quite big.
He's available right now, in fact he could probably start tomorrow. The question is, is he worth paying an extra £1m a season more than we currently pay Lambert?
Yes. Yes it is.
God, I can't believe we actually pay Lambert for this. It's like tipping your own mugger.
He was only on £2m a year as Coach of the Italian side but got paid more, probably danger money, when he went to Gala but he does want to manage in England. I know that he'd been working on his English last year, so no problems there. It could be the smarted investment Lerner ever made if he were to bring him in.
Look at it this way, given the choice, you can either sign Tom Cleverly or pay off Lambert and have Cesare Prandelli as your new manager. The wages we'd pay Cleverly would cover Cesare Prandelli's salary. The choice is yours?
You know, when you look at it like that, if Tom Fox and Randy Lerner haven't at least put in a clandestine phone call to Signore Prandelli's representatives it would be the worst decision of their respective tenures. Including hiring McLeish. Well, maybe not.
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Prandelli played very attractive football at Fiorentina, and as you say is available.
If not McLaren or Karanca would do me.
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Somebody with experience, and with some kind of success behind them. I'd also like to find somebody who can implement a style which can be carried on with the next coach.
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I want noted Villa fan Cesare Prandelli. That's my benchmark. The gap between his tactical thinking and Lambert's 'Hodor Hodor Hodor' approach is quite big.
He's available right now, in fact he could probably start tomorrow. The question is, is he worth paying an extra £1m a season more than we currently pay Lambert?
Yes. Yes it is.
God, I can't believe we actually pay Lambert for this. It's like tipping your own mugger.
He was only on £2m a year as Coach of the Italian side but got paid more, probably danger money, when he went to Gala but he does want to manage in England. I know that he'd been working on his English last year, so no problems there. It could be the smarted investment Lerner ever made if he were to bring him in.
Look at it this way, given the choice, you can either sign Tom Cleverly or pay off Lambert and have Cesare Prandelli as your new manager. The wages we'd pay Cleverly would cover Cesare Prandelli's salary. The choice is yours?
You know, when you look at it like that, if Tom Fox and Randy Lerner haven't at least put in a clandestine phone call to Signore Prandelli's representatives it would be the worst decision of their respective tenures. Including hiring McLeish. Well, maybe not.
He's comfortably the best choice and you'd hope that he'd see it as a chance to bring 'his' club back where they belong and it's a great chance to fix his reputation after a rough time with gala.
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I'll fuckimng do it. i know football. i can organise a team. I couldn't do any worse than this shitbag chancer.
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I want noted Villa fan Cesare Prandelli. That's my benchmark. The gap between his tactical thinking and Lambert's 'Hodor Hodor Hodor' approach is quite big.
He's available right now, in fact he could probably start tomorrow. The question is, is he worth paying an extra £1m a season more than we currently pay Lambert?
Yes. Yes it is.
God, I can't believe we actually pay Lambert for this. It's like tipping your own mugger.
He was only on £2m a year as Coach of the Italian side but got paid more, probably danger money, when he went to Gala but he does want to manage in England. I know that he'd been working on his English last year, so no problems there. It could be the smarted investment Lerner ever made if he were to bring him in.
Look at it this way, given the choice, you can either sign Tom Cleverly or pay off Lambert and have Cesare Prandelli as your new manager. The wages we'd pay Cleverly would cover Cesare Prandelli's salary. The choice is yours?
You know, when you look at it like that, if Tom Fox and Randy Lerner haven't at least put in a clandestine phone call to Signore Prandelli's representatives it would be the worst decision of their respective tenures. Including hiring McLeish. Well, maybe not.
He's comfortably the best choice and you'd hope that he'd see it as a chance to bring 'his' club back where they belong and it's a great chance to fix his reputation after a rough time with gala.
He is a very good manager. It would be a very good move.
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PRANDELLI IN
We need a banner
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Was going to say. Make it happen.
Ach, who are we kidding. Prandelli turning up at B6? Put it this way: if Lerner's already aware of him, then he's not coming because either a) he's been approached and has rejected us, or b) Lerner honestly thinks Lambert is better; if Lerner isn't aware of him, then he's so inept, so clueless, so deeply asleep at the wheel as the truck lurches off the road, then there's absolutely no chance he'll do anything as rational as firing a shit manager and hiring a good one.
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Sacking Lambert and getting Prandelli would be the equivalent of when Manchester City got bought by Sheikh Mansour. Not impossible, but one of those 'nah, that'll never happen to us' kind of things.
We'll have somebody absolutely underwhelming. Not terrible, or unsuitable, or even noteworthy. Just some bloke that used to be a footballer.
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Prandelli probably speaks better English than Rab C Lambert as well. I can barely understand the mumbling fool, so Paul McGrath knows how the likes of Gil and Sanchez get on with him.
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I'll fuckimng do it. i know football. i can organise a team. I couldn't do any worse than this shitbag chancer.
Could you do it without winding the General up!
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I'll fuckimng do it. i know football. i can organise a team. I couldn't do any worse than this shitbag chancer.
Could you do it without winding the General up!
I was right about him as well.
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Sacking Lambert and getting Prandelli would be the equivalent of when Manchester City got bought by Sheikh Mansour. Not impossible, but one of those 'nah, that'll never happen to us' kind of things.
We'll have somebody absolutely underwhelming. Not terrible, or unsuitable, or even noteworthy. Just some bloke that used to be a footballer.
Simon Grayson.
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I'll fuckimng do it. i know football. i can organise a team. I couldn't do any worse than this shitbag chancer.
Could you do it without winding the General up!
I was right about him as well.
Spot on
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I've been posting about wanting Prandelli IN since November. He gets my vote.
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I've been posting about wanting Prandelli IN since November. He gets my vote.
Does he have any managerial experience ?
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Apologies if been noted before but who actually coaching the team? How longs it being since we sacked Culverhouse and Karsa? I can't believe any of the dribble he comes out with after the game so how are the players supposed to be motivated by him beforehand?
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I want noted Villa fan Cesare Prandelli. That's my benchmark. The gap between his tactical thinking and Lambert's 'Hodor Hodor Hodor' approach is quite big.
He's available right now, in fact he could probably start tomorrow. The question is, is he worth paying an extra £1m a season more than we currently pay Lambert?
Yes. Yes it is.
God, I can't believe we actually pay Lambert for this. It's like tipping your own mugger.
He was only on £2m a year as Coach of the Italian side but got paid more, probably danger money, when he went to Gala but he does want to manage in England. I know that he'd been working on his English last year, so no problems there. It could be the smarted investment Lerner ever made if he were to bring him in.
Look at it this way, given the choice, you can either sign Tom Cleverly or pay off Lambert and have Cesare Prandelli as your new manager. The wages we'd pay Cleverly would cover Cesare Prandelli's salary. The choice is yours?
You know, when you look at it like that, if Tom Fox and Randy Lerner haven't at least put in a clandestine phone call to Signore Prandelli's representatives it would be the worst decision of their respective tenures. Including hiring McLeish. Well, maybe not.
Can't really blame Tom Fox for McLeish.
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PRANDELLI IN
We need a banner
I thought you meant PRANDELLIN. I was thinking it was some sort of happy pills I could try and get from the doctors by explaining I was a distressed Villa fan.
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don't waste your time. I went last week and he told me there is nothing strong enough available on prescription .
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Lets break the bank and bring in James Milner as player manager. Offer him a grat deal and let him choose his coaching staff.
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Lets break the bank and bring in James Milner as player manager. Offer him a grat deal and let him choose his coaching staff.
Boozy weekend then?
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I've been posting about wanting Prandelli IN since November. He gets my vote.
Does he have any managerial experience ?
cesare prandelli
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Lets break the bank and bring in James Milner as player manager. Offer him a grat deal and let him choose his coaching staff.
Boozy weekend then?
Even if it was, I think its a marvellous idea
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I want noted Villa fan Cesare Prandelli. That's my benchmark. The gap between his tactical thinking and Lambert's 'Hodor Hodor Hodor' approach is quite big.
He's available right now, in fact he could probably start tomorrow. The question is, is he worth paying an extra £1m a season more than we currently pay Lambert?
Yes. Yes it is.
God, I can't believe we actually pay Lambert for this. It's like tipping your own mugger.
He was only on £2m a year as Coach of the Italian side but got paid more, probably danger money, when he went to Gala but he does want to manage in England. I know that he'd been working on his English last year, so no problems there. It could be the smarted investment Lerner ever made if he were to bring him in.
Look at it this way, given the choice, you can either sign Tom Cleverly or pay off Lambert and have Cesare Prandelli as your new manager. The wages we'd pay Cleverly would cover Cesare Prandelli's salary. The choice is yours?
You know, when you look at it like that, if Tom Fox and Randy Lerner haven't at least put in a clandestine phone call to Signore Prandelli's representatives it would be the worst decision of their respective tenures. Including hiring McLeish. Well, maybe not.
Can't really blame Tom Fox for McLeish.
No indeed. It's just the worst decision either of them have made.
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Stuart Pearce might not be the ideal long term replacement but there's no way he can do worse than Paul.
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Stuart Pearce might not be the ideal long term replacement but there's no way he can do worse than Paul.
I suspect he probably could.
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When he (Pearce) managed City in 2006/7 they scored just 10 goals at home in the league, and none after New Years Day in 2007, a record low in top-flight English football.
I guess there is every chance he could do worse than Lambert
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When he (Pearce) managed City in 2006/7 they scored just 10 goals at home in the league, and none after New Years Day in 2007, a record low in top-flight English football.
I guess there is every chance he could do worse than Lambert
Don't sack Lambert, don't sack Lambert
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I would even take Curbishley now besides him not being able to pronounce Birmingham - Jesus wept
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Lets break the bank and bring in James Milner as player manager. Offer him a grat deal and let him choose his coaching staff.
We could even throw caution to the wind and actually appoint an assistant manager too.
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Lets break the bank and bring in James Milner as player manager. Offer him a grat deal and let him choose his coaching staff.
Boozy weekend then?
Nah, just thinking radically. Why not? Let him learn on the job, Lambert's learning on the job. Well actually he's not is he?
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Lets break the bank and bring in James Milner as player manager. Offer him a grat deal and let him choose his coaching staff.
Boozy weekend then?
Nah, just thinking radically. Why not? Let him learn on the job, Lambert's learning on the job. Well actually he's not is he?
He's 29 and playing regularly for a team challenging for the title and still in the Champions League. Were he to leave, it would almost certainly be for another top 6 team. He's the sort of player who will probably go on playing at the top level until his late 30s.
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Is he only 29? Blimey he's been around for ever.
Well in three and half years time when Lambert's contract is up Milner will be perfect for the role.
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I think he made his Leeds debut at sixteen.
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I would even take Curbishley now besides him not being able to pronounce Birmingham - Jesus wept
Indeed. I don't know why it is but we seem to have a collective mindblock when it comes to potential future managers, either that or we don't think we'd be an attractive offer to any half decent manager out there. Anybody would think we pay peanuts rather than one of the best salaries outside the top 4 and a few European giants.
Maybe it's a Brummie thing.
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You could give Gabby the job and he'd still do a better job. Even Stuart Pearce would be an improvement!!!
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tbh the only sane argument for keeping Lambert is because people like Stuart Pearce are available
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You could give Gabby the job and he'd still do a better job. Even Stuart Pearce would be an improvement!!!
Gabby isn't cut out to be a footballer, let alone a manager.
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I like the idea of Prandelli,Villa fan World class manager,available,while we've been messing about with an abortive attempt to sign Ricky Lambert we should have been offering him 5 million quid to keep us up.
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You could give Gabby the job and he'd still do a better job. Even Stuart Pearce would be an improvement!!!
Gabby isn't cut out to be a footballer, let alone a manager.
Gabby being given the manager's job makes me think of the Simpsons episode in which the eccentric millionaire gives Homer free reign to design the new model car he is going to mass produce.
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I heard Howard Hodgson talking to Tom Ross and Ian Taylor this evening and he was saying he was talking to James Nursey today. Nursey reckons the majority of the fans are still behind the manager?!
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I heard Howard Hodgson talking to Tom Ross and Ian Taylor this evening and he was saying he was talking to James Nursey today. Nursey reckons the majority of the fans are still behind the manager?!
Can't Howard Hodgson go a day without namedropping?
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I heard Howard Hodgson talking to Tom Ross and Ian Taylor this evening and he was saying he was talking to James Nursey today. Nursey reckons the majority of the fans are still behind the manager?!
Mirror journo being slow on the uptake, you say?
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I heard Howard Hodgson talking to Tom Ross and Ian Taylor this evening and he was saying he was talking to James Nursey today. Nursey reckons the majority of the fans are still behind the manager?!
Nursey is mates with Lambert so it's obvious he'll stick up for him. To say the fans are still behind him though is nothing short of a bare faced lie though.
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When he said he was talking to him, he probably meant he was following his Twitter feed. Nursey came out with that guff and probably regretted it soon after judging by the reaction to it,
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I heard Howard Hodgson talking to Tom Ross and Ian Taylor this evening and he was saying he was talking to James Nursey today. Nursey reckons the majority of the fans are still behind the manager?!
Nursey is mates with Lambert so it's obvious he'll stick up for him. To say the fans are still behind him though is nothing short of a bare faced lie though.
It sums up the complete lack of pressure being exterted on Lambert, by the media and not just the owner and his directors.
Tom Ross actually made the point that the players yesterday looked like they were playing to get the manager sacked, and Tayls just sounded well pissed off about whats happening down there.
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I heard Howard Hodgson talking to Tom Ross and Ian Taylor this evening and he was saying he was talking to James Nursey today. Nursey reckons the majority of the fans are still behind the manager?!
Nursey is mates with Lambert so it's obvious he'll stick up for him. To say the fans are still behind him though is nothing short of a bare faced lie though.
It sums up the complete lack of pressure being exterted on Lambert, by the media and not just the owner and his directors.
Tom Ross actually made the point that the players yesterday looked like they were playing to get the manager sacked, and Tayls just sounded well pissed off about whats happening down there.
It just looks very much like the club is rudderlessly drifting along, and nobody seems either prepared to take control of things.
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The players didn't try at Leicester either. That was a feckin disgrace too
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I want noted Villa fan Cesare Prandelli. That's my benchmark. The gap between his tactical thinking and Lambert's 'Hodor Hodor Hodor' approach is quite big.
He's available right now, in fact he could probably start tomorrow. The question is, is he worth paying an extra £1m a season more than we currently pay Lambert?
Yes. Yes it is.
God, I can't believe we actually pay Lambert for this. It's like tipping your own mugger.
He was only on £2m a year as Coach of the Italian side but got paid more, probably danger money, when he went to Gala but he does want to manage in England. I know that he'd been working on his English last year, so no problems there. It could be the smarted investment Lerner ever made if he were to bring him in.
Look at it this way, given the choice, you can either sign Tom Cleverly or pay off Lambert and have Cesare Prandelli as your new manager. The wages we'd pay Cleverly would cover Cesare Prandelli's salary. The choice is yours?
You know, when you look at it like that, if Tom Fox and Randy Lerner haven't at least put in a clandestine phone call to Signore Prandelli's representatives it would be the worst decision of their respective tenures. Including hiring McLeish. Well, maybe not.
He's comfortably the best choice and you'd hope that he'd see it as a chance to bring 'his' club back where they belong and it's a great chance to fix his reputation after a rough time with gala.
He is a very good manager. It would be a very good move.
He's still available having turned down the opportunity to manage the Japanese national team.
It seems obvious he's waiting for a phone call from Tom Fox. Don't disappoint him, Tom.
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Prandelli gets my shout too. I've been touting his name for the job since November.
It's going against everything we've stood for the last four years, but I'd take MON back until the end of the season. He and Randy can make up. Forget everything that's happened. MON will get us hard to beat, organised and will get 110% out of the players. It really is that desperate.
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There's just one tiny fault in your thinking, without money to spend, MON is Paul Lambert but with an huge ego.
I agree we need to bring somebody in until the end of the season if we can't find somebody now on a permanent deal but MON is not the answer.
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If we were appointing a manager at the start of next season, my choice would be Eddie Howe - young manager with ideas, and a decent track record. But I doubt we'd get him if Bournemouth get promoted.
Tim Sherwood didn't have an awful record at Spurs (50% win rate), and seems assertive enough to get a reaction from the players, possibly enough to get us out of the slump.
Michael Laudrup would be the "big-name" choice, but his recent managerial record actually isn't that impressive in terms of winning games. Though he did win a League Cup.
Other than Sherwood and Laudrup, and ignoring fanciful suggestions like Prandelli, there doesn't seem to much choice.
Only two bookies seem to be giving odds, and they have Sherwood 2/1 and Klinsmann (!) at 7/1 followed by a list of the same old names.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa/next-permanent-manager
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The list of replacements looks very thin to me. About the best I can come up with at the moment is Glenn Hoddle. Hardly ideal, but has a decent background and has been involved at a Premier League club recently. Probably about as good as we can hope for at the moment really.
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Only two bookies seem to be giving odds, and they have Sherwood 2/1 and Klinsmann (!) at 7/1 followed by a list of the same old names.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa/next-permanent-manager
Strange how the list of managers linked to the Newcastle job were of a far higher quality. I put it down to us having a history of crap managers and a lack of ambition. Hopefully the latter will change in the very near future, even if we have to wait until the summer.
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I fear we are stuck with Lambert and even if the worst happened I do not think he might go then.
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The list of replacements looks very thin to me. About the best I can come up with at the moment is Glenn Hoddle. Hardly ideal, but has a decent background and has been involved at a Premier League club recently. Probably about as good as we can hope for at the moment really.
Here's a few that are currently without a job:
Cesare Prandelli
Thomas Tuchel
Frank Rijkaard
Bert van Marwijk
Michael Laudrup
Roberto Di Matteo
Andre Villas-Boas
Marcelo Bielsa
Guus Hiddink
Martin Jol
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To keep us up Neil Lennon....bellend, but would be my choice at this point in time.
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Bielsa isn't out of a job, unfortunately.
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There's just one tiny fault in your thinking, without money to spend, MON is Paul Lambert but with an huge ego.
I agree we need to bring somebody in until the end of the season if we can't find somebody now on a permanent deal but MON is not the answer.
I disagree. MON is a much better motivator than Lambert. Players used to run through brick walls for MON. Tactically He's a little more astute.
We certainly wouldn't be rolling over in games we expect to get something out of. Look at how we used to fight and grind out results.
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The list of replacements looks very thin to me. About the best I can come up with at the moment is Glenn Hoddle. Hardly ideal, but has a decent background and has been involved at a Premier League club recently. Probably about as good as we can hope for at the moment really.
Here's a few that are currently without a job:
Cesare Prandelli
Thomas Tuchel
Frank Rijkaard
Bert van Marwijk
Michael Laudrup
Roberto Di Matteo
Andre Villas-Boas
Marcelo Bielsa
Guus Hiddink
Martin Jol
Di Matteo is at Schalke. Laudrup is at Lekhwiya.
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He did a great job of motivating Sunderland players.
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There's just one tiny fault in your thinking, without money to spend, MON is Paul Lambert but with an huge ego.
I agree we need to bring somebody in until the end of the season if we can't find somebody now on a permanent deal but MON is not the answer.
I disagree. MON is a much better motivator than Lambert. Players used to run through brick walls for MON. Tactically He's a little more astute.
We certainly wouldn't be rolling over in games we expect to get something out of. Look at how we used to fight and grind out results.
They loved him because he gave them huge salaries, way beyond their real worth. Who wouldn't love a boss like that?
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He did a great job of motivating Sunderland players.
He did initially to help them avoid relegation. I'd like to see him come in until the end of the season.
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The list of replacements looks very thin to me. About the best I can come up with at the moment is Glenn Hoddle. Hardly ideal, but has a decent background and has been involved at a Premier League club recently. Probably about as good as we can hope for at the moment really.
Here's a few that are currently without a job:
Cesare Prandelli
Thomas Tuchel
Frank Rijkaard
Bert van Marwijk
Michael Laudrup
Roberto Di Matteo
Andre Villas-Boas
Marcelo Bielsa
Guus Hiddink
Martin Jol
Di Matteo is at Schalke. Laudrup is at Lekhwiya.
Villas-Boas is at Zenit St Petersburg, and of the rest of that list, Jol is the only one that I think we could attract in our current circumstances.
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There's just one tiny fault in your thinking, without money to spend, MON is Paul Lambert but with an huge ego.
I agree we need to bring somebody in until the end of the season if we can't find somebody now on a permanent deal but MON is not the answer.
I disagree. MON is a much better motivator than Lambert. Players used to run through brick walls for MON. Tactically He's a little more astute.
We certainly wouldn't be rolling over in games we expect to get something out of. Look at how we used to fight and grind out results.
They loved him because he gave them huge salaries, way beyond their real worth. Who wouldn't love a boss like that?
But they got results to a degree. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a MON worshipper and he royally fucked us over.
But for where we are now. He'd be ideal. And you'd be a lot more confident about staying in the division.
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Di Matteo is at Schalke. Laudrup is at Lekhwiya.
Bugger, you're right. This Google thing is way overrated.
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He did a great job of motivating Sunderland players.
He did initially to help them avoid relegation. I'd like to see him come in until the end of the season.
They were 16th when he took over at the start of December and finished 13th. It was hardly an amazing job.
And I never want to see that Judas wanker near this club again.
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He did a great job of motivating Sunderland players.
He did initially to help them avoid relegation. I'd like to see him come in until the end of the season.
I'd like to see him come in, and then when he signed the 'contract' tell him it was all a big wheeze and in reality he can go and get fucked.
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Villas-Boas is at Zenit St Petersburg, and of the rest of that list, Jol is the only one that I think we could attract in our current circumstances.
Money talks, though. We may have to push the boat out a little but it's not as if we pay peanuts. With the new TV deal we need to 'invest' in a good manager/coach as every club will be doing the same to at least maintain their PL status. Much as we saw with the influx of foreign players since 92, we'll see all the top foreign managers in high demand from the PL clubs.
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He did a great job of motivating Sunderland players.
He did initially to help them avoid relegation. I'd like to see him come in until the end of the season.
They were 16th when he took over at the start of December and finished 13th. It was hardly an amazing job.
And I never want to see that Judas wanker near this club again.
I'd be quite happy knowing we were going to finish 13th now.
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"£5m to keep us up" would get the attention of a lot of managers.
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Is Dave "Harry" Bassett in a job?
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"£5m to keep us up" would get the attention of a lot of managers.
Prandelli is the obvious answer!!!
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"£5m to keep us up" would get the attention of a lot of managers.
Prandelli is the obvious answer!!!
If that were the case it would be Eriksson.
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He did a great job of motivating Sunderland players.
He did initially to help them avoid relegation. I'd like to see him come in until the end of the season.
I'd like to see him come in, and then when he signed the 'contract' tell him it was all a big wheeze and in reality he can go and get fucked.
Yep. A comedy folded up contract that when unfurled reads I'M A TACTICAL DINOSAUR or somesuch.
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On gauging your feedback, I'm guessing that's a unanimous no to MON retiring?? ;)
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Can't believe how appealing the prospect of Sherwood now looks.
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On gauging your feedback, I'm guessing that's a unanimous no to MON retiring?? ;)
No, as said on another thread, I don't think the return (assuming that's what you meant) would necessarily be a bad thing, but only on a deal till May.
After all, the bloke owes us one doesn't he?
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On gauging your feedback, I'm guessing that's a unanimous no to MON retiring?? ;)
No, as said on another thread, I don't think the return (assuming that's what you meant) would necessarily be a bad thing, but only on a deal till May.
After all, the bloke owes us one doesn't he?
My thoughts too. Come back, save us and leave the reigns for a Martin Laursen revolution (think I've been playing too much Football Manager).
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Has Pat Murphy been on the Radio to tell us what he understands yet?
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Has Pat Murphy been on the Radio to tell us what he understands yet?
Ha ha
You know, we mist a trick when Pullis was on the market.
He's no football purist ( is he?? ) but can manage a team on a budget of SFA and I think he can attract players as well as get the most out of those he has in his squad.
We need a motivator more than anything - mumble mumble mumble.
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I fear we are stuck with Lambert and even if the worst happened I do not think he might go then.
The more I think about it the more I think Lambert will be gone within the next seven days.
If we have to bring in Sherwood, so be it, providing it's only until the end of the season. Offer him a big bonus for keeping us up, shake his hand and thank him. We can then focus on bringing in a real leader but right now it's all about survival, nothing else, which is why I'm sure Fox is looking for somebody with PL experience.
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I was hoping he could keep us up and move aside for Klopp. Had a dodgy season that should put the top four off his tracks for a while. Fancies a go in England too - where else could he realistically go?
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I heard Howard Hodgson talking to Tom Ross and Ian Taylor this evening and he was saying he was talking to James Nursey today. Nursey reckons the majority of the fans are still behind the manager?!
Nursey is mates with Lambert so it's obvious he'll stick up for him. To say the fans are still behind him though is nothing short of a bare faced lie though.
It sums up the complete lack of pressure being exterted on Lambert, by the media and not just the owner and his directors.
Tom Ross actually made the point that the players yesterday looked like they were playing to get the manager sacked, and Tayls just sounded well pissed off about whats happening down there.
I made sure that I tweeted Nursey last night asking if he still felt the same.
Silence
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According to SSN, Laudrup has ruled out taking over the Manager's job at QPR....
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He's ruled out taking the manager's job anywhere until the Summer.
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For what it's worth. My dad just drove past Bodymoor Heath and said 'all of the lights, are still on.'
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He's ruled out taking the manager's job anywhere until the Summer.
Good. He's not the solution, not now or even in the summer.
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He's ruled out taking the manager's job anywhere until the Summer.
Good. He's not the solution, not now or even in the summer.
Seconded. Swansea fucked him off when teams wised up to his limited tactics. The slightest sign off success and his agent started touting him for other jobs.
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Larsen and Mellberg together again would be nice.
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On gauging your feedback, I'm guessing that's a unanimous no to MON retiring?? ;)
No, as said on another thread, I don't think the return (assuming that's what you meant) would necessarily be a bad thing, but only on a deal till May.
After all, the bloke owes us one doesn't he?
Thankfully it ain't going to happen but on the evidence of his exploits at Sunderland and Ireland thus far, MON is finished as a competent manager.
I can understand Fox's thinking re keeping Lambert until the summer when the pool of new managers is a lot better. But last night confirmed for sure that the players have lost faith in the manager, confidence is at rock bottom and honestly there must be a unanimous view across players, fans, management and board that we are gone if Lambert stays.
Better off rolling the dice with Sherwood on an 18 month contract.
With the players we have we should be nowhere near relegation. Lambert has actually assembled a decent squad on his budget especially going on our bench last night. But as Forest, Newcastle, Leeds and other teams have proved you are never too good to go down if the wrong man is in charge
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Frankly it is better rolling the dice on virtually anyone.
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To keep us up Neil Lennon....bellend, but would be my choice at this point in time.
Not that it is going to happen, but if Lambert went then I think we probably not attract someone currently in a job.
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Can't believe how appealing the prospect of Sherwood now looks.
I still can't see the case for Sherwood. Didn't exactly do a great job at Spurs with a very good squad to choose from. Personally think he will end up being like another Phil Brown.
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I'd like Glenn Hoddle
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Has Pat Murphy been on the Radio to tell us what he understands yet?
Ha ha
You know, we mist a trick when Pullis was on the market.
He's no football purist ( is he?? ) but can manage a team on a budget of SFA and I think he can attract players as well as get the most out of those he has in his squad.
We need a motivator more than anything - mumble mumble mumble.
I have been shot down more than once for throwing Pulis' name into the mix.
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Should have got Pulis
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Paolo Di Canio! He kept Sunderland up around this stage of the season two years ago.
No, I am joking. I'd take Sherwood though (don't know how good he is but I'm desperate).
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I said on another thread
I would try for Sir graham put him in till the end of the season
Reasons-
He knows the club it's ethos it's traditions and the way it all works
He good at getting the best out of not a lot
Although his last period with us didn't end well he would only be tempory, and he could then help us get someone in long term for next season
He loves the Villa and would jump at the chance to help us out in our time of need, I'm convinced he would
I think he would get enough from this squad to keep us up
He is a great bloke and I love him
So there's my reasoning that's what I would do
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Appointing someone because (i) they used to be good at managing about ten-twenty years ago or (ii) they're a club "legend" is likely to end in tears.
For examples, see (i) Newcastle United or (ii)... Newcastle United.
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Sherwood for me. It needs someone with character and guts, and watching his Spurs side last season they went out and really went for it, which is a lot of what we need.
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Let's get Sven :)
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Sir Graham is too out of touch with Football these days I imagine.
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Sherwood for me. It needs someone with character and guts, and watching his Spurs side last season they went out and really went for it, which is a lot of what we need.
Yeah but they have a lot of better players than us. Even Lambert would probably manage more than one goal a month there.
Lennon's not a bad shout.
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the Sven comment was a joke. He's had his day.
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Real's number two or dare I say it, Rowett.
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I said on another thread
I would try for Sir graham put him in till the end of the season
Reasons-
He knows the club it's ethos it's traditions and the way it all works
He good at getting the best out of not a lot
Although his last period with us didn't end well he would only be tempory, and he could then help us get someone in long term for next season
He loves the Villa and would jump at the chance to help us out in our time of need, I'm convinced he would
I think he would get enough from this squad to keep us up
He is a great bloke and I love him
So there's my reasoning that's what I would do
I wouldn't personally. He shouldn't have come back the second time and even though he did, all he got was abuse even when he had the decency to apologise for the poor season.
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Appointing someone because (i) they used to be good at managing about ten-twenty years ago or (ii) they're a club "legend" is likely to end in tears.
For examples, see (i) Newcastle United or (ii)... Newcastle United.
I think there is a massive difference between Taylor's managerial career and Shearers, plus the fact it would be for 10-15 games only,
I reckon he would still be good enough to keep us up
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Sherwood is a wanker. I really hate the man. No thanks.
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Lambert now says he wants to "win ugly". Excuse me? A number of us on here saw the opportunity to get Tony Pulis on a short term lucrative contract and we met gales of derision to the effect that Pulis's football was crude and ugly. Nowhere near good enough for football aristocrats Aston Villa so we missed out on Pulis and the Tesco bags are forging to safety while we make plans to try to save our sad arses by trying to win ugly. Just about every decision made by the club in the last few years has been wrong.
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Well we have been playing ugly and not winninig so how does that work?
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Appointing someone because (i) they used to be good at managing about ten-twenty years ago or (ii) they're a club "legend" is likely to end in tears.
For examples, see (i) Newcastle United or (ii)... Newcastle United.
I think there is a massive difference between Taylor's managerial career and Shearers, plus the fact it would be for 10-15 games only,
I reckon he would still be good enough to keep us up
Er, no.
Have you heard some of his 'expert summariser' comments recently? - I don't think he'd gel with the players and get them in the zone of intensity that they need to be in.
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Well.......I reckon Sherwood.
Or Laudrup given he's been linked with QPR recently.
Critical we get this appointment right otherwise we go down simple as that, bit similar to when we sacked Little and then had a tremendous run under Gregory.
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Delighted he's gone but honestly, I'm fucking terrified over who they're going to appoint. Going by Randy's track record, he'll piss about for three weeks and then unveil someone like Dave Bassett.
If it's Redknapp (knee surgery is amazing these days, after all) then bollocks to all of it, football and me are done.
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Delighted he's gone but honestly, I'm fucking terrified over who they're going to appoint. Going by Randy's track record, he'll piss about for three weeks and then unveil someone like Dave Bassett.
If it's Redknapp (knee surgery is amazing these days, after all) then bollocks to all of it, football and me are done.
Nah...Bassett's been out of the game too long. Joe Kinnear however...
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Bielsa.
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Bielsa.
He's working wonders at Marseille.
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Delighted he's gone but honestly, I'm fucking terrified over who they're going to appoint. Going by Randy's track record, he'll piss about for three weeks and then unveil someone like Dave Bassett.
If it's Redknapp (knee surgery is amazing these days, after all) then bollocks to all of it, football and me are done.
My thoughts too. I'M terrified as to who we're going to appoint.
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Whoever comes in needs to have the fans on side from day 1 .......the best managers will all be in jobs so we are left with the pick of those out of work .........
The appointment should be for 13 league games plus cup with a massive bonus for keeping us up with no promise about a job after that ....
Needs someone in my view with a connection to the club from the past who will get everyone on the same side
The question is who? Lets hope common sense kicks in
The likes of Sherwood are not for Villa
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Remi Garde for me. Get in before Newcastle do in the summer.
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Whoever it is really needs to hit the ground running, this is over a month too late. We need to act very quickly.
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Anyone who is going to kick their lazy asses.
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Appointing someone because (i) they used to be good at managing about ten-twenty years ago or (ii) they're a club "legend" is likely to end in tears.
For examples, see (i) Newcastle United or (ii)... Newcastle United.
I think there is a massive difference between Taylor's managerial career and Shearers, plus the fact it would be for 10-15 games only,
I reckon he would still be good enough to keep us up
(ii) was Shearer, (i) was Keegan, who is a better analogy for Taylor. A good manager back in the day but football has moved on and so should we.
Get Rowett, for a laugh.
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Hope its not Redknapp.....
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AVB or Di Matteo
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The top eleven from Oddschecker (not that the bookies know anything!)
Tim Sherwood
Jurgen Klinsmann
Harry Redknapp
Mark Warburton
Michael Laudrup
Roy Keane
Neil Lennon
Paul Clement
Roberto Mancini
Sven Goran Eriksson
Marcelo Bielsa
Klinsmann or Bielsa would be great. I'd like Steve McClaren. I think it will be Ole Solskjĉr (hope not). Sherwood, Redknapp or Keane would upset me. A lot.
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Glenn Hoddle may apply.
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It is sort of exciting
And then you remember where we are in the table
And who is responsible for the decision
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Whoever it is should get a 6 month contract and then go from there.
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Anyone who is going to make me want to go to Villa Park every week.
Somebody who will play to score as many goals as possible and, dare I say it, try to win matches.
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Solkjaer took Cardiff down limply and did nothing in Championship to suggest he is any use whatsoever. We need a mid table man. We need organisation. We need passion. We need a genuine leader of men.
I would love to see a Laudrup/ Laursen combination but it is unlikely so Sherwood makes a lot of sense. Highly rated as a coach, won half or more of his games last season, got Adebayor playing really well last season to lift Spurs, good with youth etc.
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Klinsmann or Bielsa would be great. I'd like Steve McClaren. I think it will be Ole Solskjĉr (hope not).
Never understood why some people want Klinsmann. He's only had one club job and that was utterly disastrous. During his time as Germany manager it was an open secret that Jogi Low was the tactician. Just can't see him getting us out of the shit.
Besides, he's got a cushy number with the USA. If he refused to move back to Germany while their manager, preferring to commute from his home in LA, I can't see him upping sticks to Brum.
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Anyone who is going to make me want to go to Villa Park every week.
Somebody who will play to score as many goals as possible and, dare I say it, try to win matches.
From the list above, Mancini is the only one I would take.
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From that list -
Tim Sherwood - potential
Jurgen Klinsmann - potential
Harry Redknapp - nope
Mark Warburton - who? Doesn't he play rugby for Wales?
Michael Laudrup - not convinced
Roy Keane - nope, nutter
Neil Lennon - nope
Paul Clement - nope
Roberto Mancini - why would he?
Sven Goran Eriksson - ridiculous suggestion
Marcelo Bielsa - no idea who he is.
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Someone suggested Cesar Prandelli on another thread, that would be a good appointment. Need someone with the experience and character to take a club like villa on and turn things around. A Sherwood type appointment wouldn't really cut it. Not experienced enough and wouldn't command the instant respect that's required.
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I'm going to enjoy this right up until the moment we appoint Mick McCarthy.
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Bielsa is flying high with Marseilles at the moment.
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This thread has so much meaning now
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BIelsa he is a great manager
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Karanka?
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The top eleven from Oddschecker (not that the bookies know anything!)
Tim Sherwood
Jurgen Klinsmann
Harry Redknapp
Mark Warburton
Michael Laudrup
Roy Keane
Neil Lennon
Paul Clement
Roberto Mancini
Sven Goran Eriksson
Marcelo Bielsa
Klinsmann or Bielsa would be great. I'd like Steve McClaren. I think it will be Ole Solskjĉr (hope not). Sherwood, Redknapp or Keane would upset me. A lot.
That list is just a random selection from 'availablemanagers.com' or wherever might exist for this purpose.
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Has anyone suggested MON and Keane until the end of the season yet?
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BIelsa he is a great manager
Biesla would be my absolute dream appointment. It's never going to happen mind.
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Have a look at English and Italian managers who have attained the UEFA Pro Licence:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_managers_and_coaches_who_have_qualified_for_the_UEFA_Pro_Licence
Pluck some names from there if you like. Tony Dorigo and Mervyn Day dream ticket!
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Has anyone suggested MON and Keane until the end of the season yet?
You just read my mind.
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Has anyone suggested MON and Keane until the end of the season yet?
I suggested MON until the end of the season last night on here.
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Has anyone suggested MON and Keane until the end of the season yet?
You just have - more chance of Ant and Dec
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It is sort of exciting
And then you remember where we are in the table
And who is responsible for the decision
This!
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Schteve McLaren can at least organise a team.
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Yeah both would crawl back over broken glass to work for this club again.
Be interesting see what length of contract we give the new manager, it's crying out for a end of the season/18 month arrangment but watch this board give the new guy a five year deal....as we then get relegated.
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Karanka?
I would. But can he walk into a relegation battle?
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How about a poll?
Would it be better to appoint a long-term replacement straight away or to bring in someone who's better suited to grinding out the rest of this season?
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18 months is the minimum anyone will take.
The good thing is we have no backroom team so whoever comes in can bring some with them please! I reckon we need a manager, assistant and 2 decent positional coaches
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Jesus Christ Sven must have one hell of a fucking agent to get on so many of these lists.
I think the board will look for a steady-Eddy type appointment this time around (not as exciting but for once I couldn't blame the club for being conservative - still would be much happier with a progressive coach)
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Mates just text me, Uncle 'Arry has booked into the Hyatt this afternoon
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Karanka?
I would. But can he walk into a relegation battle?
Be my choice too, i'd doubt that he would walk out on Boro at this point of the season. With the previous two left field choices, i'm shitting myself that it'll be Avram Grant.
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I'm going to enjoy this right up until the moment we appoint Mick McCarthy.
Lambert's record in the P'ship is surpassed for shiteness only by McCarthy.
The chances are - therefore - well, er ....
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Mates just text me, Uncle 'Arry has booked into the Hyatt this afternoon
Ha, can't see that
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Peter Withe; "I'd go in and help them for nothing."
Now there is a legend, people.
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Whoever comes in I want them to have a noted style of play that we all know we will move towards and is willing to have a team around him that will follow those instructions and stay true to those beliefs. There are a lot of good coaches out there and it still shocks me to this day that Lambert surrounded himself with jokers, and never enough qualified assistants. It was such a display of insecurity that he didn't appoint people who might actually be better than him at certain aspects of the job.
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What's kinsman doing
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Mates just text me, Uncle 'Arry has booked into the Hyatt this afternoon
hope he's on the ground floor or near the lifts
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Peter Withe; "I'd go in and help them for nothing."
Now there is a legend, people.
Pity he's a crap manager.
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What's kinsman doing
in charge of the USA national team
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No 4 or 5 year contract, by results with big bonus. It is a results business
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kin el.
were still in the shit,
we need some one in the mold of John Gregory to turn this round,
yes i know john is in recovery, but we need that type of manager.
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Peter Withe; "I'd go in and help them for nothing."
Now there is a legend, people.
Pity he's a crap manager.
I'd also go and help for nothing, probably with better results than Withe.
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Big Fat Ron
Probably not...
Redknapp - I reckon no use without ability to wheel & deal. Sherwood - I think fits the bill better as a young motivator, get the team out of a rut. Long term .... depends on the chairman & sale
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Peter Withe; "I'd go in and help them for nothing."
Now there is a legend, people.
Bring your boots Peter
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Whoever comes in I want them to have a noted style of play that we all know we will move towards and is willing to have a team around him that will follow those instructions and stay true to those beliefs. There are a lot of good coaches out there and it still shocks me to this day that Lambert surrounded himself with jokers, and never enough qualified assistants. It was such a display of insecurity that he didn't appoint people who might actually be better than him at certain aspects of the job.
Right now I think it needs more of a short term fix - just getting the points and staying in the division. And with Randy looking to sell, I think that nay well be the agenda.
That having been said, my vote goes to Laudrup with Laursen as his number 2.
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Peter Withe; "I'd go in and help them for nothing."
Now there is a legend, people.
Pity he's a crap manager.
I think he was offering his help in terms of coaching. He also said something about offering his help before, although I couldn't hear properly.
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Andy Gray and Big Ron till the end of season
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No to Withe, Gregory, Sir Brian, Sir Graham, BFR etc. I can't believe anyone would think they are the men for the job.
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Peter Withe; "I'd go in and help them for nothing."
Now there is a legend, people.
Bring your boots Peter
Who needs boots when you can shin them in that well?
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Mates just text me, Uncle 'Arry has booked into the Hyatt this afternoon
Ha, can't see that
Seen through my prank within two posts ;D
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Still got the cutting from the evening mail from 1974 when about 90% of us wanted Brian clough.
And we ended up getting some guy called ron
Ah well
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Peter Withe; "I'd go in and help them for nothing."
Now there is a legend, people.
Indeed, fantastic to hear and I agree, but not a manager, people
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Southgate
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Peter Withe; "I'd go in and help them for nothing."
Now there is a legend, people.
Pity he's a crap manager.
I'd also go and help for nothing, probably with better results than Withe.
I wouldn't want him as manager. I merely found it heart-warming to hear him speak about the club like that.
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QPR and Burnley both losing at the moment as well
can this day get any better
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Nigel Clough anyone?
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QPR and Burnley both losing at the moment as well
can this day get any better
You meant Palace!
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QPR and Burnley both losing at the moment as well
can this day get any better
QPR????
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Nigel Clough anyone?
Interesting, but don't think he'd accept a short term job and potential new owners
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Wally with the brolly?
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Southgate as manager
Sid as assistant
Mellberg 1st team coach just to sit and stare at them if we loose
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do we think the club know who they got?
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QPR and Burnley both losing at the moment as well
can this day get any better
You meant Palace!
I did i've gone giddy with merriment
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Nigel Clough anyone?
Interesting, but don't think he'd accept a short term job and potential new owners
I'm pretty sure he would. Manage Villa in the PL or stay with Sheff Utd in Division 3 on less money. Not much of a tough choice.
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For what it's worth. My dad just drove past Bodymoor Heath and said 'all of the lights, are still on.'
Something was obviously going on!
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Think clough big gamble
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Nigel Clough anyone?
Why? In the vain hope he'll turn into his Dad? He's managing in the 3rd Division for a reason.
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Wally with the brolly?
you may be taking the piss, but best shout yet
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Southgate
How to depress someone currently filled with joy in one name.
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Think clough big gamble
well he has just tossed the coin
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Haven't seen it yet, but has anyone actually thought they may go with someone already at Villa to see us through to the end of the season?
Shay Given? Sid? Both of them?
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Haven't seen it yet, but has anyone actually thought they may go with someone already at Villa to see us through to the end of the season?
Shay Given? Sid? Both of them?
Doug
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Haven't seen it yet, but has anyone actually thought they may go with someone already at Villa to see us through to the end of the season?
Shay Given? Sid? Both of them?
Please God, no.
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Nigel Clough anyone?
Why? In the vain hope he'll turn into his Dad? He's managing in the 3rd Division for a reason.
Yes, the same old shite keep getting Premier League jobs.
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Haven't seen it yet, but has anyone actually thought they may go with someone already at Villa to see us through to the end of the season?
Shay Given? Sid? Both of them?
Please God, no.
Not saying I'd go with it, just thought it may be something they're thinking of doing. It'd be cheaper for them.
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I'd give Avram Grant a go until end of season, good premier league experience.
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Not necessarily my choice but I' m putting a few pounds on Brian Little with a 18 month contract.
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Iain Dowie.
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I'd give Avram Grant a go until end of season, good premier league experience.
Yes. Getting West Ham & Portsmouth relegated. RU a Bluenose?
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Haven't seen it yet, but has anyone actually thought they may go with someone already at Villa to see us through to the end of the season?
Shay Given? Sid? Both of them?
Tom Cleverley.
Anything to keep him off the pitch
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Whoever comes in has a good squad to work with and properly set us this team can survive. We probably need 5 wins.
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Is Bilic in Turkey still ?
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Did very well with chelski, partisan and ghana
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I'd give Avram Grant a go until end of season, good premier league experience.
Yes. Getting West Ham & Portsmouth relegated. RU a Bluenose?
No text speak please.
Little should not be considered, it would only tarnish our love for him, unless he was in a DOF role.
Sid has been pretty awful with the reserve side this season hasn't he??
Given doesn't strike me as any better than going with someone like Sherwood.
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Quite simply, don't appoint anyone on the basis that "they're Villa", "they understand the club", or any other Geordiesque nonsense.
Pick the best man for the job.
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Is Bilic in Turkey still ?
Interesting shout.
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Quite simply, don't appoint anyone on the basis that "they're Villa", "they understand the club", or any other Geordiesque nonsense.
Pick the best man for the job.
Absolutely. Unless it's Sir Brian of course :) When do we all think they will make an appointment by? I guess at this stage of the season it is more likely to be a case of days than weeks/months...
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Big Sam?
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Quite simply, don't appoint anyone on the basis that "they're Villa", "they understand the club", or any other Geordiesque nonsense.
Pick the best man for the job.
I agree. I do hate all that 'Villa connections' rot.
We're a great club, and to us a very special club, but we're not appointing someone to the Supporters' Trust. We're a football club in a certain footballing circumstance and that's all there is to it.
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Quite simply, don't appoint anyone on the basis that "they're Villa", "they understand the club", or any other Geordiesque nonsense.
Pick the best man for the job.
Exactly. It'll be interesting to see what Lerner/Fox do when time is absolutely against them now. The other appointments have been a drawn out process.
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does this mean that Tom Fox's comment about a false narrative was in fact a false narrative
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First and foremost, it is vital we stay up.
I believe Lerner and Fox will she'll out whatever is needed to keep us in this league with massive television revenue up for grabs.
I think Fox will advise Correctly and we could see Jurgen, Billic or someone in that vain.
Lerner will not get best value for us in championship.....
I would still take Avram Grant, how about Neil Lennon
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does this mean that Tom Fox's comment about a false narrative was in fact a false narrative
narratively speaking, it was false.
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I'm not his biggest fan by any stretch, but I wouldn't be against giving it to Sherwood.
He made a mug of himself at times at Spurs, but he also had a bit of spirit, and a manager that could get a reaction and performances out of a player like Adebayor might prove to be what we need right now.
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At the moment i would take our milkman he knows far more about football than Labert did .
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At the moment i would take our milkman he knows far more about football than Labert did .
My mate's King Charles' Spaniel has let it be known that he is up for it.
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At the moment i would take our milkman he knows far more about football than Labert did .
Labert? He the French lad? :)
I know my bluenose window cleaner knows far more about our plight than that if his heroes.
The twat.
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Anyone mentioned The Spanish Waiter yet?
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Now is the time to get Klopp.
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No more Scottish managers for now thanks.
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Slaven Bilic has about 12 months left on his contract with Besiktas in Turkey
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I would go for Hoddle on a short term deal.
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I wonder if David Moyes is regretting taking the Sociedad job at the moment.
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Gary Neville? Could be a decent short term appointment. Keep us up and he could either stay or go to a new club with a decent reputation, or take us down which wouldn't be seen as his fault and go back to Sky.
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Now is the time to get Klopp.
Well with Dortmund doing so shit maybe he fancies an English relegation battle instead.
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Gary Neville? Could be a decent short term appointment. Keep us up and he could either stay or go to a new club with a decent reputation, or take us down which wouldn't be seen as his fault and go back to Sky.
I would take him, but it won't happen.
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Gary Neville? Could be a decent short term appointment. Keep us up and he could either stay or go to a new club with a decent reputation, or take us down which wouldn't be seen as his fault and go back to Sky.
On the basis Phil doesn't come too, yes.
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Gary Neville? Could be a decent short term appointment. Keep us up and he could either stay or go to a new club with a decent reputation, or take us down which wouldn't be seen as his fault and go back to Sky.
I'd say that'd be an excellent idea. Don't think it'd happen though.
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Now is the time to get Klopp.
Well with Dortmund doing so shit maybe he fancies an English relegation battle instead.
Now is exactly the time not to get him. It needs someone who knows our players and knows the Premier League. If we survive, then is the time to get him.
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I wonder if David Moyes is regretting taking the Sociedad job at the moment.
He seems to be quite enjoying it out there apart from the lack of communication with other managers.
Moyes would have been ideal if available, but he is not.
Hoddle is surely better as a DOF or an assistant to a younger man??
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Gary Neville? Could be a decent short term appointment. Keep us up and he could either stay or go to a new club with a decent reputation, or take us down which wouldn't be seen as his fault and go back to Sky.
He is Yanited through and through. Not going to be a good fit
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Gary Neville? Could be a decent short term appointment. Keep us up and he could either stay or go to a new club with a decent reputation, or take us down which wouldn't be seen as his fault and go back to Sky.
He is Yanited through and through. Not going to be a good fit
Yeah, wouldn't want anyone from TTOD, would we?
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Hope we appoint the cleaner woman off the Thomas cook advert.......
She can turn a villa round in no time ;)
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No more Scottish managers for now thanks.
Alex Ferguson?
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Wally with the brolly?
He probably thinks he's got a better chance managing in the PL next season if he stays where he is.
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Would prefer a Prandelli-style appointment, but that would be a more long-term solution.
We need someone to hit the ground running.
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Now is the time to get Klopp.
I wouldnt want Klopp for health reasons
I would spontaneously combust
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No more Scottish managers for now thanks.
Alex Ferguson?
Strachan ?
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Rarely does it work out well when a decision to sack a manager is taken as an act of desperation at such a late stage in the season, and I'm afraid my money would be on Tim Sherwood on a two year contract.
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One thing now, the players are out of excuses and places to hide.
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Rowett?
Villa fan, too ;D
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Collymore suggesting Moyes and Big Sam.
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Here's one for you.
Brian Little + any two Southgate/Yorke/Townsend/Taylor,I
A kind of managerial meal deal.
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Here's one for you.
Brian Little + any two Southgate/Yorke/Townsend/Taylor,I
A kind of managerial meal deal.
Brian Little with Southgate/Laursen/Dublin/Mellberg/Saunders. They'd be shit of course, but would probably beat the current lot in a 5-a-side.
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Well it isnt 2010 or 2011 so we missed those boats.
We went for an ill arrogant bloke and a useless fucker who bored us to tears those times.
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There seem to be two distinct schools of thought here.
Short-term, do anything to preserve PL status camp. Hence the Sherwoods, Hoddles, Redknapps, etc.
Longer term, short term risk. Hence the Klopps, Tuchels, Nevilles.
Personally I can see no benefit in giving someone like Sherwood a two year contract. That's definitely not the answer, and will mean we'll be having this exact same conversation in 18 months time.
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Southgate as DOF with a foreign coach (not sure who though)
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Southgate spent half of his Villa career trying to get away.
Just the sort of turncoat you could do with in the trenches.
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Collymore suggesting Moyes and Big Sam.
Two managers who I imagine would have zero interest in the job.
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I'd snap hand off for big Sam atm
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Southgate as DOF with a foreign coach (not sure who though)
No thanks
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Somebody who will get Benteke firing and scoring the goals to keep us up.
So how about on a short term contract Marc Wilmots or his old manager at Genk Mario Been ?
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I would just love some of the excitement of 1991 to return ... The arrival of BFR the hope and the feeling that we had got it right !!!
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So what's good old Ole Gunnar up to these days? ;-)
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Collymore suggesting Moyes and Big Sam.
No chance they would leave their current posts.
Longer term: either... possibly.
Neither excite me.
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Tom fox might have a bigger say in it than even Lerner, as he is here and Randy isn't, and fox is the man that had to work along side of the new man
So maybe his time at Arsenal will play a part, he might see Villa in the same sort of vain as the gunners, traditional, big history, club with a bit of class all be it faded, if he could find us the next Wenger I'd be happy with that
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Tom fox might have a bigger say in it than even Lerner, as he is here and Randy isn't, and fox is the man that had to work along side of the new man
So maybe his time at Arsenal will play a part, he might see Villa in the same sort of vain as the gunners, traditional, big history, club with a bit of class all be it faded, if he could find us the next Wenger I'd be happy with that
That's a pretty high expectation for anyone john!
With you in spirit and hope mate, but I don't know if they make many Wenger types any longer.
UTV!
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Shaun Teale has just offered his services on Facebook.
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No up-and-coming-next-best-thing.
No sentimental he-once-played-in-the-shirt-so-he's-one-of-us.
No traditional-"English"-manager of the type that was successful in another era.
I'll take the short-term fix if it means that we stay up, but for AVFC this is the most important managerial appointment of the twenty-first century. We have to get it right, otherwise recent history is just going to be repeated
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Shaun Teale has just offered his services on Facebook.
Love Mr Teale
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Quite simply, don't appoint anyone on the basis that "they're Villa", "they understand the club", or any other Geordiesque nonsense.
Pick the best man for the job.
I agree. I do hate all that 'Villa connections' rot.
We're a great club, and to us a very special club, but we're not appointing someone to the Supporters' Trust. We're a football club in a certain footballing circumstance and that's all there is to it.
Absolute bunkum from the pair of you
They have just put a list of the last 9 Villa managers win rates up on TV
only two have Villa connections through playing and they lie 1st and 3rd in that league
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What are the bookies saying?
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C
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Cesare Prandelli
You heard it here first
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Quite simply, don't appoint anyone on the basis that "they're Villa", "they understand the club", or any other Geordiesque nonsense.
Pick the best man for the job.
I agree. I do hate all that 'Villa connections' rot.
We're a great club, and to us a very special club, but we're not appointing someone to the Supporters' Trust. We're a football club in a certain footballing circumstance and that's all there is to it.
Absolute bunkum from the pair of you
They have just put a list of the last 9 Villa managers win rates up on TV
only two have Villa connections through playing and they lie 1st and 3rd in that league
And how true is that for any other team in the world? What's so different about Villa in this regard?
Actually no, you're right. I reckon Dwight Yorke would be a better manager for us than Pep Guardiola. After all, Pep has no Villa connections, does he?
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Hope we appoint the cleaner woman off the Thomas cook advert.......
She can turn a villa round in no time ;)
Keep it clean please.
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Sean Dyche second favourite. I'd take him.
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My personal choice for what it is worth
Hoddle as DOF - big enough name in the game to command some respect
Sherwood - tough fucker who got a bunch of turncoat prima donnas playing and winning in a short space of time after they stopped playing for AVB
Contracts till end of season with a huge financial incentive based on keeping us up
Then reassess in the close season
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Sean Dyche second favourite. I'd take him.
That beard would be too much for me.
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Quite simply, don't appoint anyone on the basis that "they're Villa", "they understand the club", or any other Geordiesque nonsense.
Pick the best man for the job.
I agree. I do hate all that 'Villa connections' rot.
We're a great club, and to us a very special club, but we're not appointing someone to the Supporters' Trust. We're a football club in a certain footballing circumstance and that's all there is to it.
Absolute bunkum from the pair of you
They have just put a list of the last 9 Villa managers win rates up on TV
only two have Villa connections through playing and they lie 1st and 3rd in that league
And how true is that for any other team in the world? What's so different about Villa in this regard?
Actually no, you're right. I reckon Dwight Yorke would be a better manager for us than Pep Guardiola. After all, Pep has no Villa connections, does he?
He managed David Villa?
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Collymore does bloody go on mind you....loves the sound of his own voice and uses words in every day talk that Willy Shakes would be proud of.
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Tim Sherwood is at around 2.2 on Betfair and of the 14k traded on this market about 95% has been on him. Very small amounts it has to be said and easily moved odds wise e.g. if I put 30 quid on Klinsmann it would probably knock his odds from 18 down to about 10 or 11 looking at the money available
My immediate relief has been edged with tension for what happens next but we were dead and buried with Lambert
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Maybe Randy will go and nick Small Heath's manager again. He is a villa fan after all .
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What are the bookies saying?
(http://talksport.com/sites/default/files/tscouk_old_image/blog/MCCRIRICK.jpg)
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Has Fox ever appointed a manager before? Or been involved in the search for on?
I'm worried. Very worried.
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I'm with Monty here. This is a crucial decision and one that has to be done with the head not the heart. I've said it so many times on here but we have to go for broke and get the very best we can afford. Enough with British managers of limited ability, let's get a proven winner, someone with a bit of fire, some creativity, some innovation. Fuck 'young and hungry (and I'd be delighted to never hear that phrase again).
That said it'll probably be Curbishley.
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Can somebody please explain to me what Sean Dyche offers that we didn't think we were getting with Paul Lambert?
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I find it odd that it took till 8 o clock to make an announcement that could have been done Mcleish style by lunchtime.
Could it be that those extra few hours were spent approaching, sounding out and negotiating with potential replacements?
Time will tell perhaps but god I hope we steer clear of that six month wonder, up his own arsehole, Jeremy kyle lookalike, spurs wank stain Tim sherwood.
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Quite simply, don't appoint anyone on the basis that "they're Villa", "they understand the club", or any other Geordiesque nonsense.
Pick the best man for the job.
I agree. I do hate all that 'Villa connections' rot.
We're a great club, and to us a very special club, but we're not appointing someone to the Supporters' Trust. We're a football club in a certain footballing circumstance and that's all there is to it.
Absolute bunkum from the pair of you
They have just put a list of the last 9 Villa managers win rates up on TV
only two have Villa connections through playing and they lie 1st and 3rd in that league
And how true is that for any other team in the world? What's so different about Villa in this regard?
Actually no, you're right. I reckon Dwight Yorke would be a better manager for us than Pep Guardiola. After all, Pep has no Villa connections, does he?
Pep Guardiola, Dwight Yorke what you going on about
You said you hate 'all that villa connections rot' yet the two managers out of a list of nine are only split at the top by MON who had a fuck load of money
So it proves you wrong, the mangers with villa connections statistically have been better than those without
To say you hate that is just a rediculous statement, and the bit about pep and yorke is bonkers too
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Sean Dyche second favourite. I'd take him.
That beard would be too much for me.
That gravelly voice would blow my sub woofer
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So what's good old Ole Gunnar up to these days? ;-)
Hopefully having his phone turned off.
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Can somebody please explain to me what Sean Dyche offers that we didn't think we were getting with Paul Lambert?
Well for one he motivates a team of average players to play to their absolute maximum. Yes they're below us but look at what he's working with. If he did the same for us we wouldn't be anywhere near where we are. Lambert has done the polar opposite.
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Tim Sherwood when it all goes shit shaped would be the opposite of Lambert in that he'll just go around blaming everyone and never sticking up for his players. I'll give Lambert that, he never once stuck it to his players who deserve a share of the blame for this mess.
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Has Fox ever appointed a manager before? Or been involved in the search for on?
I'm worried. Very worried.
can't possibly do a worse job than the clown Faulkner managed during his tenure
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What all of this boils down to is that we are now relying on the decision making of an owner who has made one poor decision after another.
The only time we will be safe is when he is gone.
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Someone just mentioned Paul Ince to me. I'm going to have nightmares now.
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My personal choice for what it is worth
Hoddle as DOF - big enough name in the game to command some respect
Sherwood - tough fucker who got a bunch of turncoat prima donnas playing and winning in a short space of time after they stopped playing for AVB
Contracts till end of season with a huge financial incentive based on keeping us up
Then reassess in the close season
I think Joe Jordan and 'Arry plus the dog would be a better proposal. Infinitely better to keep us in the Prem!
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Quite simply, don't appoint anyone on the basis that "they're Villa", "they understand the club", or any other Geordiesque nonsense.
Pick the best man for the job.
I agree. I do hate all that 'Villa connections' rot.
We're a great club, and to us a very special club, but we're not appointing someone to the Supporters' Trust. We're a football club in a certain footballing circumstance and that's all there is to it.
Absolute bunkum from the pair of you
They have just put a list of the last 9 Villa managers win rates up on TV
only two have Villa connections through playing and they lie 1st and 3rd in that league
And how true is that for any other team in the world? What's so different about Villa in this regard?
Actually no, you're right. I reckon Dwight Yorke would be a better manager for us than Pep Guardiola. After all, Pep has no Villa connections, does he?
Pep Guardiola, Dwight Yorke what you going on about
You said you hate 'all that villa connections rot' yet the two managers out of a list of nine are only split at the top by MON who had a fuck load of money
So it proves you wrong, the mangers with villa connections statistically have been better than those without
To say you hate that is just a rediculous statement, and the bit about pep and yorke is bonkers too
It doesn't prove me wrong 'statistically' or otherwise. Why should Villa connections matter at all? It's sentimental bullshit, and who cares if it worked in the past, why would it work now?
As for Yorke and Pep, I just followed through your argument to its conclusion, namely how much do Villa connections ultimately matter? Clearly, as you seem to have admitted, Pep would be better than Yorke, so it doesn't seem to matter that much.
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How about old Bob whatsisname, that American chap that we all thought we'd end up with?
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Curbishley always gets linked
#rules
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OOoooooh look at us all talking about the next Villa manager....like it's going to happen. He's signed a new contract and won't get sacked so what's the point on talking about the next mana......... :)
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Sven ?
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I get the Sherwood thing about being a bastard, but these players have had experience of that with the ultimate bastard in Keane, and it didn't help. Scoff if you will, but players like Benteke and Cleverley look like they need an arm around the shoulders rather than a punch to the gut. The team look petrified to go anywhere near the ball. What I want in a new boss more than anything is a man who makes the team believe they can go to places like Old Trafford and compete. We haven't had that for twenty years, maybe more.
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Did I hear right on 5Live just?
Interviewed a fan who hasn't seen us play this season but thinks SBL/someone "with connections with the club" would be the best appointment.
Surely, don't we just want a really good football coach, not just a Villa "fan"?
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Little and Gregory did well, but one broke our transfer record twice in one summer and the other had the windfall of the Yorke money and Doug floating the club. MON had the Randy cash.
It's z sad fact, but money talks in this game far more than having a prior connection to the club.
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Sherwood would be a poor appointment. Yes he did ok at Tottenham, but difference was he had a much better squad, they were not fighting the drop, and he knew the job club well.
One from Moyes, Allerdyce, Laudrup, Klinnsman would do me.
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Quite simply, don't appoint anyone on the basis that "they're Villa", "they understand the club", or any other Geordiesque nonsense.
Pick the best man for the job.
I agree. I do hate all that 'Villa connections' rot.
We're a great club, and to us a very special club, but we're not appointing someone to the Supporters' Trust. We're a football club in a certain footballing circumstance and that's all there is to it.
Absolute bunkum from the pair of you
They have just put a list of the last 9 Villa managers win rates up on TV
only two have Villa connections through playing and they lie 1st and 3rd in that league
There is a difference though: Little was in work at another Premier League club and came with a decent-ish managerial record, whilst Gregory was part of the successful coaching set up during Little's reign and had some kudos amongst some of the squad for that rather than his rather mediocre Villa playing career. What some people are now suggesting has no basis in any reality of any managerial/coaching record. I don't want Sid/Southgate/Taylor,I/Mellberg/whoever on the sole basis that they once played for us.
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How about old Bob whatsisname, that American chap that we all thought we'd end up with?
Bob Bradley? Only a year into his new job in Norway I think. Decent coach but more dour then Lambert (yes really) on the plus side he is pretty ruthless with players.
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Cesare Prandelli, please.
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Why are people saying allardyce and Moyes ? They are not available and would never come
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Quite simply, don't appoint anyone on the basis that "they're Villa", "they understand the club", or any other Geordiesque nonsense.
Pick the best man for the job.
I agree. I do hate all that 'Villa connections' rot.
We're a great club, and to us a very special club, but we're not appointing someone to the Supporters' Trust. We're a football club in a certain footballing circumstance and that's all there is to it.
Absolute bunkum from the pair of you
They have just put a list of the last 9 Villa managers win rates up on TV
only two have Villa connections through playing and they lie 1st and 3rd in that league
Little and Atkinson, I guess? Both of them were absolutely the right choice at the time. If there was someone of their ilk who happened to have a Villa connection now, we'd all be wanting him appointed.
But there isn't. There's the virtually-retired (Taylor, Little again), the unproven (Laursen, Mellberg) and the proven-to-be-useless (Southgate, Staunton).
We should appoint the best man available. In 1991 and 1994 the best man available happened to have Villa links (albeit, tenuous ones, it Atkinson's case).
In 2015, there is no ex-Villa player or manager that fits the bill, so we need to look further afield.
If we were to just phone Peter Withe or Alan McInally and say "we've no idea if you'd be any good but you used to play for us so would you like to become manager of Aston Villa on £3 million a year?" we'd be laughing stocks, just like Newcastle were when they gave Shearer a job, and rightly so.
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I'd have Prandelli as well.
Time to act big RL, over to you.
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We're not going to get our dream choice mid season so get someone in on a short term contract til the summer and that way we limit our risk. Given the pool we're fishing in any of the names suggested would jump at the chance.
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Quite simply, don't appoint anyone on the basis that "they're Villa", "they understand the club", or any other Geordiesque nonsense.
Pick the best man for the job.
I agree. I do hate all that 'Villa connections' rot.
We're a great club, and to us a very special club, but we're not appointing someone to the Supporters' Trust. We're a football club in a certain footballing circumstance and that's all there is to it.
Absolute bunkum from the pair of you
They have just put a list of the last 9 Villa managers win rates up on TV
only two have Villa connections through playing and they lie 1st and 3rd in that league
And how true is that for any other team in the world? What's so different about Villa in this regard?
Actually no, you're right. I reckon Dwight Yorke would be a better manager for us than Pep Guardiola. After all, Pep has no Villa connections, does he?
Pep Guardiola, Dwight Yorke what you going on about
You said you hate 'all that villa connections rot' yet the two managers out of a list of nine are only split at the top by MON who had a fuck load of money
So it proves you wrong, the mangers with villa connections statistically have been better than those without
To say you hate that is just a rediculous statement, and the bit about pep and yorke is bonkers too
It doesn't prove me wrong 'statistically' or otherwise. Why should Villa connections matter at all? It's sentimental bullshit, and who cares if it worked in the past, why would it work now?
As for Yorke and Pep, I just followed through your argument to its conclusion, namely how much do Villa connections ultimately matter? Clearly, as you seem to have admitted, Pep would be better than Yorke, so it doesn't seem to matter that much.
Didn't pep take over the team he played for as his first managerial job, didn't go to bad for him if I remember correctly
I bet Barca are glad they didn't go down your route of not appointing any old playing legends with sentimental bullshit, your now going to say he was the right man for the job, well of coarse he was, but if he had of played for Madrid he wouldn't have been offered it I'm damn sure,
I'm sort of in agreement with you, it shouldn't matter, but it also should not be discarded as bullshit just because it has a bit of sentiment about it, as in the pep and simeone appointments
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Klinsmann would be the dream appointment.
I could see Southgate doing a decent job, though would be a gamble. Neil Lennon could be a shout also.
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Cesare Prandelli, please.
Ideally yes. It would be a brilliant appoinwnt and put us right back on the map of significance.
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How about old Bob whatsisname, that American chap that we all thought we'd end up with?
Quite clearly Des, your brain and mine work on similar levels.
Bob?
Wasn't it Brad? Or Chuck? Cecil (pronounced Seesill, obviously!).
Up The Villa mate!
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Prandellli, Laudrup and Wenger ??? are unlikely in our current predicament.
Even a traditional stodgy English bloater like Sam Allthepies would probably see himself as far too good for us.
Clement or Karanka might be more realistic.
I wouldn't be dead set against Sherwood either.
Limited experience as a manager, true. But plenty of experience as a coach. And by Christ, we could do with some coaching.
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Klinsmann would be the dream appointment.
I could see Southgate doing a decent job, though would be a gamble. Neil Lennon could be a shout also.
There's no chance of Klinnsman coming here though.
Prandelli, dunno. Is he any good?
Break the bank for Jurgen Klopp.
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Cesare Prandelli, please.
In a bloody heartbeat.
It will be interesting though to see how much vision & clout the club has. If its someone like Prandelli then we are in pretty good shape, if its one of the expected plodders then we know we are in for more of the same.
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I think any of Prandelli, Klinsmann or Klopp would be seismic. Brilliant, ambitious appointments. Any other candidates I've seen mentioned I would be underwhelmed by, some less than others.
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For me I wouldn't bring in a foreign coach for a relegation scrap. Magath at Fulham last season showed that it's a tough ask to come inand nail it straight away.
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Barca are a different beast, because it's about the structure of the club and the style of play. They wouldn't just go and appoint, I don't know, Bernd Schuster because he played for them - since Johann Cruyff the whole club has played a certain way through to the youth teams, and managers tend to get fired if they go too far away from this and wind up the players and fans by doing so (Rijkaard, Van Gaal - the Dutch connection is powerful too). They probably wouldn't appoint a Real legend, but that's hardly every other club in the world - for the most part, they hire managers who didn't play for them.
Simeone only went back because he cared about Atletico that much, but he's a brilliant manager nonetheless. He is good because he is good, not because he likes Atletico - he's only there because he likes them. As CD says, name a former Villa player who is also a brilliant manager.
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How about old Bob whatsisname, that American chap that we all thought we'd end up with?
Quite clearly Des, your brain and mine work on similar levels.
Bob?
Wasn't it Brad? Or Chuck? Cecil (pronounced Seesill, obviously!).
Up The Villa mate!
Bob Bradley, Michael Bradley's dad. currently managing in Norway
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Collymore giving it Big Sam and Moyes.....
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Tim Sherwood when it all goes shit shaped would be the opposite of Lambert in that he'll just go around blaming everyone and never sticking up for his players. I'll give Lambert that, he never once stuck it to his players who deserve a share of the blame for this mess.
My theory is he knew reasonably early on he wasn't getting the Spurs job full time so put in those lose cannon comments just to test the water.
I'd like to think he'd modify his approach wherever he ends up as a permanent manager.
Sherwood's an interesting candidate for me. His win ratio was pretty good at Spurs, we need a manager who can come in and actually win some games, drawing games won't be enough.
He got Adebayor onside and in good form which is no mean feat so that could be what Benteke needs and last season he gave youth like Kane and Bentaleb decent game time for Spurs and both have prospered big time this year so that could be good for our youth on the fringes.
I think Sherwood's an interesting candidate although in an ideal world I'd rather he'd have more than 13 games.
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For me I wouldn't bring in a foreign coach for a relegation scrap. Magath at Fulham last season showed that it's a tough ask to come inand nail it straight away.
Whereas Pochettino at Southampton made it look a piece of piss the season before, and even Mel improved the Baggies last year.
Again, appoint the best man for the job, regardless of where he comes from.
I would add the one caveat that the guy should speak English so he can communicate with the players.
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Why are people saying allardyce and Moyes ? They are not available and would never come
Because they could both do a good job without needing much money to spend. But you are right they are long shots, but not completely out of the question.
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Laudrup's record not all that great but there's something about him - huge name on the continent, can attract players and Christ knows could actually make Villa watchable again..ably assisted by Laursen. Failing that, a short-term fix to galvanise the players and ensure survival - SGT - simply wouldn't put up with the shite passing as the norm these days...and I'm not seeing through rose-tinted glasses - we need steel on the sidelines and Christ could he give rollickings when needed.
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Sherwood is a mental gobshite.
I've had enough of shit British managers, whether they be old-school or new old-school.
The last thing I want is some young Allardyce wannabe running around shouting a lot.
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For me I wouldn't bring in a foreign coach for a relegation scrap. Magath at Fulham last season showed that it's a tough ask to come inand nail it straight away.
Whereas Pochettino at Southampton made it look a piece of piss the season before, and even Mel improved the Baggies last year.
Again, appoint the best man for the job, regardless of where he comes from.
I would add the one caveat that the guy should speak English so he can communicate with the players.
West Brom looked a mess for most of Mel's time.
I said I wanted foreign too but it's a difficult time, ideally you get them in the summer so they have a full pre season to implement their ideas to the players rather than just 13 games left.
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How about Di Canio for 3 months
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For me I wouldn't bring in a foreign coach for a relegation scrap. Magath at Fulham last season showed that it's a tough ask to come inand nail it straight away.
Agree entirely. 13 games to go and I now think we need someone to oversee that period. macLaren at Derby? I think he's restored his reputation. Other than that Moyes is the only short term-long term viable option.
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For me I wouldn't bring in a foreign coach for a relegation scrap. Magath at Fulham last season showed that it's a tough ask to come inand nail it straight away.
Whereas Pochettino at Southampton made it look a piece of piss the season before, and even Mel improved the Baggies last year.
Again, appoint the best man for the job, regardless of where he comes from.
I would add the one caveat that the guy should speak English so he can communicate with the players.
West Brom looked a mess for most of Mel's time.
I said I wanted foreign too but it's a difficult time, ideally you get them in the summer so they have a full pre season to implement their ideas to the players rather than just 13 games left.
I think we need to be appointing someone till the end of the season, and then taking it from there.
That means an underwhelming appointment for the next few months, but it has to be someone who can reasonably be expected to keep us up (and there is nothing to suggest the likes of Sherwood would be in any way qualified to do this).
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Sherwood is a mental gobshite.
I've had enough of shit British managers, whether they be old-school or new old-school.
The last thing I want is some young Allardyce wannabe running around shouting a lot.
Sherwood made being a manager with absolutely no expectation seem like the most excruciating thing in the world. The place needs a lift, not a miserable twat who treats Aston Villa as a minor irritant while he waits for the Tottenham gig to come up again.
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How about Di Canio for 3 months
I wouldn't want Di Canio for 3 minutes, let alone 3 months.
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For me I wouldn't bring in a foreign coach for a relegation scrap. Magath at Fulham last season showed that it's a tough ask to come inand nail it straight away.
Agree entirely. 13 games to go and I now think we need someone to oversee that period. macLaren at Derby? I think he's restored his reputation. Other than that Moyes is the only short term-long term viable option.
How is Moyes a realistic short term option?
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Last time out we got the manager most wanted, Lambert.
Before that we got the manager no-one wanted, McLeish
Every other Villa manager that I can recall has been widely welcomed by the fans, some more so (MON, Little) than others (JG).
If a new guy came in, got us clear and maybe to a Cup semi final it could be an exciting season next term.
Still think there is a decent crop of players to work with next term - Guzan, Okore, Clark, Hutton, Delph, Sanchez, Westwood, Benteke, Bacuna, Gil
Cut the free loaders get in quality from abroad and we go again
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Sherwood is a mental gobshite.
I've had enough of shit British managers, whether they be old-school or new old-school.
The last thing I want is some young Allardyce wannabe running around shouting a lot.
Not a sensible option really is it. At the time Lambert seemed the logical appointment, but we have dropped so far since those days (I know we were well on our way before then, but still) than we really need someone with a bit of experience, passion, and at least a plan b.
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How about Di Canio for 3 months
I wouldn't want Di Canio for 3 minutes, let alone 3 months.
Me neither. No Nazis. No tax-dodgers. No disabled-bashers.
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Why would Shteve leave derby for us ? He wouldn't
Nor would Moyes
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For me I wouldn't bring in a foreign coach for a relegation scrap. Magath at Fulham last season showed that it's a tough ask to come inand nail it straight away.
Agree entirely. 13 games to go and I now think we need someone to oversee that period. macLaren at Derby? I think he's restored his reputation. Other than that Moyes is the only short term-long term viable option.
How is Moyes a realistic short term option?
Only in terms of someone who would be able to do the job in 13 games and stay and improve us past that. Obviously his present employment is a barrier.
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Personally, I'd be going all out for Klinsmann precisely because he knows the English game. Prandelli would be amazing, but Klinsmann covers most of the short-and longer-term bases for me.
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Sherwood is a mental gobshite.
I've had enough of shit British managers, whether they be old-school or new old-school.
The last thing I want is some young Allardyce wannabe running around shouting a lot.
Houllier out of A&E again is it?
The time to continue foreign was summers 2011 and 2012 but predictably we screwed both those occasions up.
As I've said before this board's track record appointing managers isn't exactly stellar and they really need to get this one right otherwise we go down.
Someone mentioned Billic on another forum, he'd be a good shout out as you'd think he'll eventually end up managing somewhere in the premier league. Currently at Beskitas.
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I'd rather have Lambert back than have Redknapp, Di Canio or Hoddle. They can fuck right off. I never want shithouses like them associated with Aston Villa.
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I'd rather have Lambert back than have Redknapp, Di Canio or Hoddle. They can fuck right off. I never want shithouses like them associated with Aston Villa.
How did you guess who I was alluding to? ;-)
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How about Di Canio for 3 months
I wouldn't want Di Canio for 3 minutes, let alone 3 months.
Me neither. No Nazis. No tax-dodgers. No disabled-bashers.
Well shit, there goes half my list.
I keed , I keed. :)
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Why would Shteve leave derby for us ? He wouldn't
Nor would Moyes
Moyes isn't at Derby.
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Why would Shteve leave derby for us ? He wouldn't
Nor would Moyes
Moyes, probably not, he's only just moved to Spain.
McClaren - Bigger club. Higher wages. In the Premier.
Getting a little tired of this 'who'd want to leave xyz to come to us'. We're Aston Villa. It's up to Fox and Lerner to sell the club to someone worth giving the job.
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There's something about Bilic that I've never been entirely convinced by. Probably that Croatia's squad has a healthy compliment of very talented players, so how much of their success was down to him is open to debate.
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Any manager who has proven experience of winning 13 cup finals is my choice.
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After McLaren fucked it up last time I doubt we'd go for him again.
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I'd rather have Lambert back than have Redknapp, Di Canio or Hoddle. They can fuck right off. I never want shithouses like them associated with Aston Villa.
Agreed.
I was talking more about Moyes in the long term don't think we would get him before the end of the season, same with SM.
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Please tell me Neil Warnock is employed elsewhere
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For me I wouldn't bring in a foreign coach for a relegation scrap. Magath at Fulham last season showed that it's a tough ask to come inand nail it straight away.
Agree entirely. 13 games to go and I now think we need someone to oversee that period. macLaren at Derby? I think he's restored his reputation. Other than that Moyes is the only short term-long term viable option.
How is Moyes a realistic short term option?
Only in terms of someone who would be able to do the job in 13 games and stay and improve us past that. Obviously his present employment is a barrier.
Exactly. Moyes has just moved to Spain and McLaren is on the way to getting promoted with Derby. Neither would move to Villa til the end of the season and run the risk of relegation.
Similarly I doubt Big Sam would leave West Ham in the middle of their best season for 20 years.
Maybe Harry quit QPR because he knew the Villa job was coming up.....! :o
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Please tell me Neil Warnock is employed elsewhere
I saw him at The Belfry earlier. Small world
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Gabby as player manager captain.
Seriously, Sherwood or bilic for me
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Should've got Pulis in before the Baggies - he'll keep them up. Laudrup for me.
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How about a short term appointment (whoever that might be) to keep us up with an appropriate bonus for doing so with background negotiations for a longer term option (such as Bilic) in the sumner. Pie-in-the-sky thought really though.
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Be honest, do you think Randy has ever heard of Cesare Prandelli / Jurgen Klopp?
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Bilic or Moyes would be good, although i'm not sure they would offer the quick fix that say a Pulis would, and thats what we need initially.
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Be honest, do you think Randy has ever heard of Cesare Prandelli / Jurgen Klopp?
He doesn't need to, as long as someone high up at the club has.
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Be honest, do you think Randy has ever heard of Cesare Prandelli / Jurgen Klopp?
If the email to FEAR is genuine, then Fox is in charge now, and he might well have heard of them.
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I'm amazed that anyone can look at the range of managers available now, and come to the conclusion that the best man for the job - not just someone who hasn't got a job, the actual best appointment we could make - would be Tim Sherwood.
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I'd be happy with Prandelli, Klopp, Galtier. Struggling to think of any gettable UK manager who hasn't finished a season with an "R" next to his team's name in the table, that isn't a lunatic and has managed in the last few years.
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I'm amazed that anyone can look at the range of managers available now, and come to the conclusion that the best man for the job - not just someone who hasn't got a job, the actual best appointment we could make - would be Tim Sherwood.
He did used to have quite luxurious hair.
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Please tell me Neil Warnock is employed elsewhere
Think he's currently working as a bus driver but am sure he would light up Villa Park for the right offer of sweets, hookers, and a stand named after him.
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Bilic or Moyes would be good, although i'm not sure they would offer the quick fix that say a Pulis would, and thats what we need initially.
There are few managers who can deliver a dramatic turnaround in just 13 games . We need at least 4 wins and a few draws and we have some really tough games in there. Redknapp for me could do it but I would not want him beyond May and the cup final.
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I'm amazed that anyone can look at the range of managers available now, and come to the conclusion that the best man for the job - not just someone who hasn't got a job, the actual best appointment we could make - would be Tim Sherwood.
He's the kind of name that seemed very attractive while Lambert was here. But now Lambert's gone Sherwood is a complete non-starter.
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Be honest, do you think Randy has ever heard of Cesare Prandelli / Jurgen Klopp?
I think so. I mean just because he has made bad decisions doesn't mean is entirely ignorant of football. I can't imagine someone who follows football (as Randy clearly does) not knowing those names, even if vaguely.
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What's Ian Holloway up to these days?
/runs
*to get popcorn*
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I'm amazed that anyone can look at the range of managers available now, and come to the conclusion that the best man for the job - not just someone who hasn't got a job, the actual best appointment we could make - would be Tim Sherwood.
He did used to have quite luxurious hair.
Plus he has a lovely line in tank tops.
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My vote:
1. Prandelli on an 4 year contract or whatever is required to take the job (dare I say it but with Platt as translator)
2. Southgate - DoF (permanent) and G Neville - Manager (to the end of the season) - whereupon we get a Howe/Clement/Grimaldi/Klopp.
3. As above but Hoddle as manager for 6 months.
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Be honest, do you think Randy has ever heard of Cesare Prandelli / Jurgen Klopp?
Be honest, why would they ever consider managing Villa? They'd laugh at us!
Be honest, which good manager would want to manage us?
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Gary Mac until the end of the season.
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I know McLaren is doing well, but i can't get over his resemblance to a sleazy used car salesman, and for that reason alone i say no.
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I'm amazed that anyone can look at the range of managers available now, and come to the conclusion that the best man for the job - not just someone who hasn't got a job, the actual best appointment we could make - would be Tim Sherwood.
He's the kind of name that seemed very attractive while Lambert was here. But now Lambert's gone Sherwood is a complete non-starter.
You're such a slag.
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My vote:
1. Prandelli on an 4 year contract or whatever is required to take the job (dare I say it but with Platt as translator)
Prandelli speaks English better than David Platt.
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Should've got Pulis in before the Baggies - he'll keep them up. Laudrup for me.
Pulis is probably wishing he'd hung on a bit longer!
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Tim Sherwood is a 10 pinter double bagger. Didn't seem such a bad idea when pissed and it's closing time. Once sober though!
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What's with the Southgate obsession? He's managed one club, he got them relegated and got sacked.
Oh sorry, I forgot. He used to play for us so he would be an ideal appointment regardless of his incompetence.
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Tony Mowbray ?
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Be honest, do you think Randy has ever heard of Cesare Prandelli / Jurgen Klopp?
If the email to FEAR is genuine, then Fox is in charge now, and he might well have heard of them.
Which email is that? Sorry bit out of the loop here!
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Should've got Pulis in before the Baggies - he'll keep them up. Laudrup for me.
Pulis is probably wishing he'd hung on a bit longer!
I'm extremely thankful he didn't.
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What's Ian Holloway up to these days?
/runs
*to get popcorn*
(http://i.imgur.com/VNCEB2M.gif)
:)
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Tony Mowbray ?
Are you flicking through the Rothmans Football Yearbook 2002?
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Which would be worst...
Neil Warnock
Ian Holloway
Cherie Lunghi
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Be honest, do you think Randy has ever heard of Cesare Prandelli / Jurgen Klopp?
He doesn't need to, as long as someone high up at the club has.
I sincerely hope so but then who helped appoint McLeish? Mind you Lambert did seem like a good appointment at the time...
Actually who are the football people on the board? Until we got Mr Fox in, I'm not sure who would have been advising Randy at all?
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Be honest, do you think Randy has ever heard of Cesare Prandelli / Jurgen Klopp?
If the email to FEAR is genuine, then Fox is in charge now, and he might well have heard of them.
Which email is that? Sorry bit out of the loop here!
The private email that someone desperate for attention leaked part of. Hopefully Randy knew that and just told his secretary to reply with any old guff.
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Be honest, do you think Randy has ever heard of Cesare Prandelli / Jurgen Klopp?
Be honest, why would they ever consider managing Villa? They'd laugh at us!
Be honest, which good manager would want to manage us?
Anyone who wasn't averse to making an absolute shitload of money.
Why would Prandelli choose to stay unemployed rather than taking £5 million or so a year to manage one of the World's wealthiest clubs? Klopp would probably be unobtainable unless he was on the verge of the chop at Dortmund.
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Be honest, do you think Randy has ever heard of Cesare Prandelli / Jurgen Klopp?
Be honest, why would they ever consider managing Villa? They'd laugh at us!
Be honest, which good manager would want to manage us?
Someone who sees a massive club down on its luck, with potential for rapid improvement, a decent squad from whom much more can come, the possibility of good money for players if the club is sold, someone who likes a challenge and will enjoy enormous goodwill from the fans right from the word go. Much as it was when O'Neill came in.
They'd be taking a gamble, no question about that, but I think there's enough there to attract quality managers if we're prepared to pay a good salary.
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I would love us to appoint Prandelli.
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Tony Mowbray ?
You've gone from Paolo Di Canio to Neil Warnock and now Tony Mowbray. I'm interested to see how you're going to top those suggestions, because to be honest, I'd rather have Lambert and McLeish back in a double act!
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What's with the Southgate obsession? He's managed one club, he got them relegated and got sacked.
Oh sorry, I forgot. He used to play for us so he would be an ideal appointment regardless of his incompetence.
Mind you, Dean Saunders or David Platt would be worse i think if we're talking ex players.
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Time for a poll, no?
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Be honest, do you think Randy has ever heard of Cesare Prandelli / Jurgen Klopp?
I think so. I mean just because he has made bad decisions doesn't mean is entirely ignorant of football. I can't imagine someone who follows football (as Randy clearly does) not knowing those names, even if vaguely.
Was our last foreign manager (excluding MON) Dr Jo?
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We should make Pep Guardiola an offer.
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I would love us to appoint Prandelli.
So would I.
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I would love us to appoint Prandelli.
Guys. Stop it. You're making me hope. I hate the hope.
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Interesting that we have completed the purging of Scottish managers from the top flight. They used to be all over the shop, too.
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Be honest, do you think Randy has ever heard of Cesare Prandelli / Jurgen Klopp?
I think so. I mean just because he has made bad decisions doesn't mean is entirely ignorant of football. I can't imagine someone who follows football (as Randy clearly does) not knowing those names, even if vaguely.
Was our last foreign manager (excluding MON) Dr Jo?
Gerard Houllier?
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Be honest, do you think Randy has ever heard of Cesare Prandelli / Jurgen Klopp?
I think so. I mean just because he has made bad decisions doesn't mean is entirely ignorant of football. I can't imagine someone who follows football (as Randy clearly does) not knowing those names, even if vaguely.
Was our last foreign manager (excluding MON) Dr Jo?
Houllier.
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Be honest, do you think Randy has ever heard of Cesare Prandelli / Jurgen Klopp?
I think so. I mean just because he has made bad decisions doesn't mean is entirely ignorant of football. I can't imagine someone who follows football (as Randy clearly does) not knowing those names, even if vaguely.
Was our last foreign manager (excluding MON) Dr Jo?
Houllier
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I'd be happy with Prandelli, Klopp, Galtier. Struggling to think of any gettable UK manager who hasn't finished a season with an "R" next to his team's name in the table, that isn't a lunatic and has managed in the last few years.
Where is good old Curbs in the betting? When it comes to the Villa job he is like one of those Grand National horses that turns up to Aintree every year with an each way chance but sadly never finishes.
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Interesting that we have completed the purging of Scottish managers from the top flight.
No we haven't. We're still (jointly) managed by a Scottish manager.
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Bilic or Moyes would be good, although i'm not sure they would offer the quick fix that say a Pulis would, and thats what we need initially.
There are few managers who can deliver a dramatic turnaround in just 13 games . We need at least 4 wins and a few draws and we have some really tough games in there. Redknapp for me could do it but I would not want him beyond May and the cup final.
Why didn't he bother trying to turn around the club that he's just left in an even worse state than us then?
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We've appointed our last 3 managers from a position of weakness or in some cases desperation & each one has been steadily worse. We are in a worse state now than at any point in 25 years. I'm not confident that Lerner is capable of making the right appointment.
I can't imagine what depths Lerner is capable of achieving from our current position. I would hope that they have been doing some work in the background in preparation, but I wouldn't count on it.
But in the short term anyone will achieve more than Lambert would have.
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Trevor Francis always speaks highly of us..............
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I'd be happy with Prandelli, Klopp, Galtier. Struggling to think of any gettable UK manager who hasn't finished a season with an "R" next to his team's name in the table, that isn't a lunatic and has managed in the last few years.
Where is good old Curbs in the betting? When it comes to the Villa job he is like one of those Grand National horses that turns up to Aintree every year with an each way chance but sadly never finishes.
*Shudders*
Anyone that lived in Birmingham but still can't pronounce "Birmingham" should be discounted.
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That bottle of bubbly I opened at around 7.45 tonight is starting to taste a bit flat.
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Be honest, do you think Randy has ever heard of Cesare Prandelli / Jurgen Klopp?
If the email to FEAR is genuine, then Fox is in charge now, and he might well have heard of them.
yep, I'm clinging to that a bit as well
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You look at the list of who's available and suggested candidates and it becomes clear what Tom Fox meant the other week with his "it'll be like flipping a coin" comment.
Yes it reached the stage where Lambert had to go, for his own sake as much as anything, but we're just going to be hoping the "new manager" effect brings enough of an upturn in results to keep us up. Then what? Big long-term contract for whoever it is and 12 months down the line we're in the same shit again.
I just don't think we've got the knowledge at the club to make the right choice, and it worries me.
The one name I've seen mentioned on these pages who I think could be good long term appointment rather than quick fix is Aitor Karanka. Even if we had the football knowledge at the club to recognise this guy I can't see why he'd want to give up what he's got going for him at Boro.
Most of the other names mentioned are laughable.
Heads or tails?
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Bilic or Moyes would be good, although i'm not sure they would offer the quick fix that say a Pulis would, and thats what we need initially.
There are few managers who can deliver a dramatic turnaround in just 13 games . We need at least 4 wins and a few draws and we have some really tough games in there. Redknapp for me could do it but I would not want him beyond May and the cup final.
Why didn't he bother trying to turn around the club that he's just left in an even worse state than us then?
Exactly.
Redknapp FFS.
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What's with the Southgate obsession? He's managed one club, he got them relegated and got sacked.
Oh sorry, I forgot. He used to play for us so he would be an ideal appointment regardless of his incompetence.
Personally: it is because he has gone away and studied football, looked at the science side, analysed other successful models/clubs (all paid for by the FA mind you). I would like a geek at the top of the club, with a more shouty head coach running the actual team. I'd agree that he lacks the charisma to be the manager but he's demonstrated that he is an intelligent fella - journalist whilst at Palace for example - which suggests (to me) that he would be a good guy to look after that aspect of the club. Fuck it, he can stay on as U21 manager and poach players for us too.
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He's got a bad leg anyway, you mappets.
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For me I wouldn't bring in a foreign coach for a relegation scrap. Magath at Fulham last season showed that it's a tough ask to come inand nail it straight away.
Agree entirely. 13 games to go and I now think we need someone to oversee that period. macLaren at Derby? I think he's restored his reputation. Other than that Moyes is the only short term-long term viable option.
How is Moyes a realistic short term option?
And with all due respect to the fraternity of dour Scots the very last thing I want is another fucking dour Scot, following on from the previous fucking four Scot.
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What's with the Southgate obsession? He's managed one club, he got them relegated and got sacked.
Oh sorry, I forgot. He used to play for us so he would be an ideal appointment regardless of his incompetence.
He also engineered his move away from us to Middlesbrough, citing ambition. Perhaps we should do just that and go for Prandelli who must be the best available manager and has previously confessed to being a long-standing Villa fan. http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3873528,00.html
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Redknapp? Just say no to drugs kids.
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I would love us to appoint Prandelli.
Guys. Stop it. You're making me hope. I hate the hope.
So would I. Prandelli's Claret & Blue Army!
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Be honest, do you think Randy has ever heard of Cesare Prandelli / Jurgen Klopp?
I think so. I mean just because he has made bad decisions doesn't mean is entirely ignorant of football. I can't imagine someone who follows football (as Randy clearly does) not knowing those names, even if vaguely.
Ah of course, sorry had erased that experience from my mind!
Was our last foreign manager (excluding MON) Dr Jo?
Gerard Houllier?
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Having read the posts, I just get the feeling that although it had to happen, it has come at a really awkward time. Those doing well in jobs aren't likely to want to jump ship to a relegation threatened team. What we really need is someone to come in and see the season out and then look again in the summer, but who is realistically going to want to take that on?
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I would like to try to tempt Klinsmann back to England and the Premier League. With three years to wait till the next world cup he might be tempted. Allardyce's contract is up in the summer and he hasn't been offered a new one. He would be an option for me.
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Klinnsmann is a good shout. He'd have the gravitas to get the most out of the squad this season, after which he can return to his preferred DoF position (mostly in LA). Add a Clement to that mix (in the summer) and it could work.
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Gordon Strachan?
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Again, given the choice of Prandelli, Laudrup or Allardyce, then I'll 100 times out of 100 go for the first two. But for me he's an option who ticks both short and long term boxes. Newcastle aside which was too short a stint, he will have left Bolton and West Ham in a much better spot than he found them. West Ham are very competitive and he has bought quite well. He knows how to play with a big centre forward and wingers so he'd get the best out of Benteke. He plays a decent style too. I think he'd come to us as well.
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Be honest, do you think Randy has ever heard of Cesare Prandelli / Jurgen Klopp?
If the email to FEAR is genuine, then Fox is in charge now, and he might well have heard of them.
yep, I'm clinging to that a bit as well
Does anyone have a link to said letter? (bullshit or otherwise)
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Again, given the choice of Prandelli, Laudrup or Allardyce, then I'll 100 times out of 100 go for the first two. But for me he's an option who ticks both short and long term boxes. Newcastle aside which was too short a stint, he will have left Bolton and West Ham in a much better spot than he found them. West Ham are very competitive and he has bought quite well. He knows how to play with a big centre forward and wingers so he'd get the best out of Benteke. He plays a decent style too. I think he'd come to us as well.
I doubt he'd leave West Ham for us (how far we've fallen etc) and I've also heard dodgy things about his choice of agent and therefore players. All the rest of what you've said is true; he improves teams...
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The euphoria will soon be replaced with the reality of who is out there who is capable of turning things around? The right decision, at the wrong time. It's a risk that had to be taken or maybe it was Lambert that walked.
Hopefully the players can lift themselves, are free from the limitations Lambert put on them & that we can get a few wins. We need to play our part too.
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It's a difficult one really. It is hard to imagine any of the A-listers touted being drafted in quickly, so chances are that it will be somebody reasonably underwhelming... Whoever comes in is likely to get the job permanently if we stay up- so to a point we ought to be careful what we wish for!
Tim Sherwood would be my guess, though clearly not ideal. Whoever they do choose though will at least have the whole club united behind them now.
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Realistically, who's free?
Hoddle
Sherwood
Meulenstein
Pearce
I worry - once the honeymoon period is over...
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Realistically, who's free?
Hoddle
Sherwood
Meulenstein
Pearce
I worry - once the honeymoon period is over...
We'd be a lot more worried if Lambert was still here.
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I wonder if there is a chance of Roy Keane returning?
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Realistically, who's free?
Hoddle
Sherwood
Meulenstein
Pearce
I worry - once the honeymoon period is over...
We don't have to appoint somebody who is currently free. We do have to appoint someone a lot better/less despicable than those suggestions.
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It's gonna be an interesting few days.
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Lerner has finally realised how much he is going to lose financially if AVFC get relegated.
Go and get an experienced winning manager for at least the next 13 league games.
Give them £5 million. £10 million if we avoid relegation.
Guus Hiddink, Klinsmann, Joachim Low.
Do it Lerner and do it tomorrow.
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If it was me trying to recruit a new manager my choice would be either André Villas-Boas or Jürgen Klinsmann...
I wanted AVB before Lambert was appointed but it never happened, shame it never happened because I think we would have been much better off...
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If it was me trying to recruit a new manager my choice would be either André Villas-Boas or Jürgen Klinsmann...
I wanted AVB before Lambert was appointed but it never happened, shame it never happened because I think we would have been much better off...
I think AVB would be a better fit at the Villa than he was at Chelsea and Spurs. Having said that, it may be that he just isn't suited to English football at all.
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Again, given the choice of Prandelli, Laudrup or Allardyce, then I'll 100 times out of 100 go for the first two. But for me he's an option who ticks both short and long term boxes. Newcastle aside which was too short a stint, he will have left Bolton and West Ham in a much better spot than he found them. West Ham are very competitive and he has bought quite well. He knows how to play with a big centre forward and wingers so he'd get the best out of Benteke. He plays a decent style too. I think he'd come to us as well.
I doubt he'd leave West Ham for us (how far we've fallen etc) and I've also heard dodgy things about his choice of agent and therefore players. All the rest of what you've said is true; he improves teams...
He's probably the sort we need over the next 18 months. The attitude of the playing staff needs a massive shake up and he'd be the sort to do it whilst providing a bit of much needed stability. I think someone like him could only take us so far, but he would take us to a position where someone could come in and build on what he put in place.
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We're all arguing about the next manager instead of the manager.....Ahhhh Bliss!
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If it was me trying to recruit a new manager my choice would be either André Villas-Boas or Jürgen Klinsmann...
I wanted AVB before Lambert was appointed but it never happened, shame it never happened because I think we would have been much better off...
I think AVB would be a better fit at the Villa than he was at Chelsea and Spurs. Having said that, it may be that he just isn't suited to English football at all.
I thought AVB had a rough ride at Chelsea and Spurs I do think he's a better manager than a lot of people think..
I think he can be a success in English football and a club like ours can certainly provide him with the right platform but like you say he might not be suited to English football, only one way to find out lol..
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AVB at least the right initials to manage us. Maybe Fox will think that a bloke with AV in his name is similar to a bloke called Arsene managing Arsenal.
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People who seriously think we have a chance of getting Klinsmann, AVB, Low etc need a reality check...WE ARE NOT AN ATTRACTIVE PROPOSITION to any manager that had a good reputation. We have the reputation, quite rightly of being a career killer for managers.
I have no idea who will be appointed, but if people are thinking the above i expect them to be very disappointed!
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Again, given the choice of Prandelli, Laudrup or Allardyce, then I'll 100 times out of 100 go for the first two. But for me he's an option who ticks both short and long term boxes. Newcastle aside which was too short a stint, he will have left Bolton and West Ham in a much better spot than he found them. West Ham are very competitive and he has bought quite well. He knows how to play with a big centre forward and wingers so he'd get the best out of Benteke. He plays a decent style too. I think he'd come to us as well.
I doubt he'd leave West Ham for us (how far we've fallen etc) and I've also heard dodgy things about his choice of agent and therefore players. All the rest of what you've said is true; he improves teams...
He's probably the sort we need over the next 18 months. The attitude of the playing staff needs a massive shake up and he'd be the sort to do it whilst providing a bit of much needed stability. I think someone like him could only take us so far, but he would take us to a position where someone could come in and build on what he put in place.
He wouldn't leave for a short term contract. Sam is well placed now, as once they move he'll have extra cash available. All of a sudden they'll have a for whack more to spend each window - Fat Sam has never had that, so my guess, is that would make Villa a no go.
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People who seriously think we have a chance of getting Klinsmann, AVB, Low etc need a reality check...WE ARE NOT AN ATTRACTIVE PROPOSITION to any manager that had a good reputation. We have the reputation, quite rightly of being a career killer for managers.
I have no idea who will be appointed, but if people are thinking the above i expect them to be very disappointed!
We made McLeish a very rich man despite being allegedly destitute as a club. I'm sure the prospect of being paid very well at a big PL club will be attractive to lot of managers.
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I disagree, surely ruining your career potentially comes before a quick payoff?
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AVB at least the right initials to manage us. Maybe Fox will think that a bloke with AV in his name is similar to a bloke called Arsene managing Arsenal.
Lol.. And when we sing "Villa" we will be supporting the team and manager at the same time so that will save our throats from getting sore, obviously we will still need a beer at Hal time though 8)
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People who seriously think we have a chance of getting Klinsmann, AVB, Low etc need a reality check...WE ARE NOT AN ATTRACTIVE PROPOSITION to any manager that had a good reputation. We have the reputation, quite rightly of being a career killer for managers.
I have no idea who will be appointed, but if people are thinking the above i expect them to be very disappointed!
£10 million makes us VERY ATTRACTIVE. No ?
Or we plod on with HODDLE, ALLARDYCE ET AL ?
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I disagree, surely ruining your career potentially comes before a quick payoff?
When the payoff is millions they'll take the chance. Plus we often underestimate the confidence those who make it in football have.
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People who seriously think we have a chance of getting Klinsmann, AVB, Low etc need a reality check...WE ARE NOT AN ATTRACTIVE PROPOSITION to any manager that had a good reputation. We have the reputation, quite rightly of being a career killer for managers.
I have no idea who will be appointed, but if people are thinking the above i expect them to be very disappointed!
I'm not saying we would get those managers, it's who I would try for though..
No harm in trying I suppose and you never know, but I am a realist and realise we probably have little chance of getting those managers in our current predicament...
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Lerner has clearly blinked at the Poker table.
No point in getting some chancer manager now. Too much to lose now.
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I disagree, surely ruining your career potentially comes before a quick payoff?
If i potentially ruined your career, how would you feel if i gave you £10 million ?
Could you struggle on ?
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We have the reputation, quite rightly of being a career killer for managers.
Do we fuck. MON got jobs after leaving; Houllier was pretty much at the end of the line anyway; McLeish has got jobs at Forest and Genk since leaving, not exactly complete rubbish; and Lambert will undoubtedly get opportunities in the Championship, given how easily he strolled through there his first time around. It's fair enough to say we aren't an attractive proposition, but any managerial careers that have been killed can only be attributed to personal incompetence.
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We have the reputation, quite rightly of being a career killer for managers.
Do we fuck. MON got jobs after leaving; Houllier was pretty much at the end of the line anyway; McLeish has got jobs at Forest and Genk since leaving, not exactly complete rubbish; and Lambert will undoubtedly get opportunities in the Championship, given how easily he strolled through there his first time around. It's fair enough to say we aren't an attractive proposition, but any managerial careers that have been killed can only be attributed to personal incompetence.
Name me one manager in the past 45 years that has gone on to better things after leaving us.
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SGT is the only one. Assuming you mean a bigger job rather than being more successful. As we've said before, Joe mercer is the only manager to leave us and be successful.
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OK I'll fall into the subjectivity trap. GT1 to England and McNeill went back to Celtic and won the double.
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SGT is the only one. Assuming you mean a bigger job rather than being more successful. As we've said before, Joe mercer is the only manager to leave us and be successful.
and Docherty
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OK I'll fall into the subjectivity trap. GT1 to England and McNeill went back to Celtic and won the double.
Successful - Scotland doesn't count.
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I have to say I am not excited by this and have no faith in getting the right manager...
This won't be out the blue for the Villa board, they would have had been aware of the risk he would have to be sacked and they would have identified an action plan for this...
Therefore I would have been more excited if we put a director of football in, decided on a footballing style, then we would now be a situation where a footballing man would be looking at the team we have, the style we want and measuring managers against getting us there.
The thought of Premier league experience and from the UK as our strategy to recruit is just boring...
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I see the next referendum campaign has kicked off.
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I disagree, surely ruining your career potentially comes before a quick payoff?
If i potentially ruined your career, how would you feel if i gave you £10 million ?
Money does talk no question, but then I do think people like Klinnsman and Moyes would consider the decision beyond just the money aspect. But actually I don't think there is much to lose for managers like that. They have enough about them and have done enough in the game to still get decent jobs even if it didn't work out. We are a big club, with a strong fanbase, and certainly not the worse group of players in the world. Unless we do actually go down (which I don't think we will now) then you would think that things can only get better (sorry to quote Blair at a time like this...) so from that point of view it would be a good chance for that kind of manager to build something.
I think Klinnsman would be tempted as long as he had a decent amount of money to spend. In which case we would have to wait for the club to be sold before we could even think of him. Whatever happens we won't be getting anyone major until the summer at least.
Could you struggle on ?
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I wonder if the board will look at how well Koeman has done at Southampton and consider Ronald de Boer? He was linked to Newcastle recently, and I believe is the assistant manager at Ajax. Also someone else worth considering is Paul Clement who is currently at Real Madrid, assistant to Ancelotti.
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We have the reputation, quite rightly of being a career killer for managers.
Do we fuck. MON got jobs after leaving; Houllier was pretty much at the end of the line anyway; McLeish has got jobs at Forest and Genk since leaving, not exactly complete rubbish; and Lambert will undoubtedly get opportunities in the Championship, given how easily he strolled through there his first time around. It's fair enough to say we aren't an attractive proposition, but any managerial careers that have been killed can only be attributed to personal incompetence.
Name me one manager in the past 45 years that has gone on to better things after leaving us.
Interesting debate. Ron Saunders, Graham Taylor, Brian Little and John Gregory made their choices and it is nothing to do with Villa that they struggled in other jobs. I have respect for all of them but they all seemed to be good at being in the wrong place at the wrong time after Villa. Saunders took over a skint Small Heath, then an Albion who had already been in decline for five years post BFR, Brian Little went to clubs who had been doing nothing for years and couldn't turn them round, John Gregory went to a Derby side already going down and then a QPR side going nowhere and wasn't given much time at either and SGT took over England at a bad time with top players coming to the end of their careers and the players that became the Euro '96 squad still to peak. He wasn't given enough time at Wolves. Graham Turner to be fair left Wolves two divisions higher than when he took over, Billy McNeil did the double with Celtic and BFR kept Coventry and Sheffield Wednesday up. Tony Barton and Houllier unfortunately suffered ill health, Dr Jo's reputation was strong enough to survive a season with us. I would imagine he is still highly regarded everywhere except England. I would say DOL's spending at Leeds and TSM's two relegations with Small Heath did their careers more harm than their time at Villa. MON walked away without a scratch as far as most of the football world is concerned and Paul Lambert may well be remembered by the same football world for his time at Norwich and keeping Villa up in times of belt tightening. I don't think too many of them, if any apart from maybe Tony Barton can blame Villa for anything that happened to them afterwards.
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Well it's all very well to dream about who will be our next manager but i would point out that there is an enormous obstacle to getting a quality replacement and that is money,not for the manager, i would imagine Lerner would pay a kings ransome to get the right man but for players in the summer. All the top guys would want at least 50-60 million possibly more because they will not come to a club whos owner is happy with mid table they will want to compete at the top. Over to you Randy.
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Given the suggestion from Fox that we'll recruit a DoF in the summer I wonder if that suggests a Head Coach type will be the target now.
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What a mess the club is in. Those players purchased by Lambert and out on loan will all come back and need moving on.
Does Randy now think of getting to the summer and doing the whole recruitment thing again or does he select a new Manager now and stick with him for the longer term, even if we go down? Give them time to rebuild? Not currently a motivated seller, I wonder if he has changed his mind! Not a clue who I want. But another to consider: Mark Hughes?
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I think Hughes is very happy at Stoke. Besides, why would he come to Villa with a smaller budget? Sad to say but thats the reality :(
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Could do much worse than the Postecoglou and Vidmar Australian double act.
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other media outlets are reporting compo of £2m which to me is more realistic. Either way it ain't bad for making a total fuck up.
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The timescale this needs to be done (quickly) will dictate, also the field will be narrowed by the financial restrictions for new players going forward, who will be willing to accept
(a) Don't worry fella we are being bought by a billionaire in the summer, he will see your ok
(b) Yep as long as you can make do with 6 maybe 7 mill, plus 50% of any sales you bring in, it is all yours.
The change had to be made and I would like to thing Fox's flip of the coin statement was only partially true and that feelers had gone out to perspective candidates, lessons need to be learnt from other appointments and as stated time is against us.
So out of the names out there,
Prandelli definatly
Sherwood maybe.
Hoddle no way, what has his insight done with Harry and QPR.
Laudrup just something about this guy, I dont think would fit.
I would go short term until the end of the season with Sir Brian, then when we know where we are, evaluate what sort of manager, head coach is looking to taking us forward in the Prem, or what we need to get out of the Championship, because like it or lump it we are 3rd from bottom, so could still make the dreaded drop, all we have done now is give ourselves a better percentage chance of it not happening by ridding us of Lambert. Interesting times.
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Latest betting (highlights):
Sherwood 1/2
Hoddle 2/1
Klinsmann 12/1
Keane 33/1
South gate 16/1
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The other thing the new guy needs as the window is now closed, is to get those he can back from loan , have a look at them, if any of them fit into the style of play he wants going forward, get them back playing for the club that is probably still paying the majority of their wages.
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What chance have wd got in attracting a high grade manager from Europe with the budget that will undoubtedly be on offer in the summer? I'm sure Prandelli of Klinsman would be much more gettable with the promise of 80 million or so to spend . When the contents of Randys purse amount to 3 washers and a bus ticket to Long Island I'm convinced we will be looking much lower down the managerial food chain....
Neil Lennon I reckon so we can fork out even more compo!!!
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Sherwood with Hoddle as DOF? Or assistant? Sherwood at 2-3 recent home games with fox suggests too much smoke I reckon.
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Could he be any worse than PL?
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I'm not turning up again if that bigot Hoddle gets a job at Villa.
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I wonder if the board will look at how well Koeman has done at Southampton and consider Ronald de Boer? He was linked to Newcastle recently, and I believe is the assistant manager at Ajax. Also someone else worth considering is Paul Clement who is currently at Real Madrid, assistant to Ancelotti.
Yes, de Boer and Clement are the kind of candidate that would excite.
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I can't see past Sherwood, he was probably approached weeks ago why else would you turn up at Villa twice to watch our turgid play.
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This is worse than the transfer rumour thread.
Some of the managers mentioned are bizarre, ridiculous and/or completely unobtainable/unrealistic.
The board get a load of shit for appointing bad managers, despite very few complaints when Lambert and MON were appointed.
After some of the suggestions on here, I'm happy in the knowledge the board make the final decision.
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has sherwood really been turning up at vp
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has sherwood really been turning up at vp
I sincerely hope so.
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... After some of the suggestions on here, I'm happy in the knowledge the board make the final decision.
bold statement, after all their record is not great.
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If they did get hoddle I wouldn't be thinking about his beliefs I'd just want him to do his best for the team
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I know many posters think we'll be looking towards the bottom of the barrel for our new manager, but, I thought I might look at it from another angle.
Delph, who we all thought was going, suddenly, out of the blue, signed a new contract. Why? Was he told something is in the pipeline? Is it that Randy has actually lined up a buyer?
Obviously, I don't know.
But, surmising this is correct, Randy may very well go for a 'Big Name Manager' Just as Doug did just before he left.
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Clearly needs to be someone who can lift the players quickly. Not sure about Sherwood but he did seem to challenge the attitude of the Spurs players during his short stint there. Perhaps he could do what John Gregory did after Brian Little lost his way?
If Lambert had gone at the end of last season we could have done this properly but now it's desperate times
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Well we know Lerner and Ferguson have a line of communication.
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Could do much worse than the Postecoglou and Vidmar Australian double act.
I was thinking that today, highly unlikely but an intriguing idea. Probably not the logical choice but intriguing.
Ange Postecoglou wouldn't be well connected and a virtual unknown within the UK but his tactical nous, effective subs use, man management, eye for a good player and his endeavours to get his teams to play attacking football are a big part of what's gotten him to where he is now. Despite being a player's coach in this country, whether his no bullshit charismatic style would work outside Australia is another thing, I do know he wouldn't be the slightest bit intimidated by the job or the players at Villa. I personally think he'd keep us up and become an instant cult hero as he tends to become wherever he's been but the reality is as we know, it's never going to happen and he's not going to leave his current position either - there's a lot that's personal about it. When he's done with the national job, I'd like to see him in Europe someday. I can't think of any Australian coaches who have managed within prominent leagues of Europe.
Anyhow, get Prandelli on the blower and tell him the Villa job will be just like playing Football Manager but in real life.
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Interim managers always concern me, as you have a situation where players think "you won't be around in a few months, why should I listen to you?". The reality is that, yes we've chopped a manager whose negative and defeatist outlook was rubbing off on the players, but the options out there are limited.
Sherwood would probably be the most likely pick, but the jury still remains out on him for me as to whether he's management material.
Hoddle is a no for me - ask any Wolves fans about his management style.
Brian Little has been out for too long now and the Graham Taylor debacle of 2002 is evidence you should never go back.
Yes, the likes of Howe and Warbarton are up and coming, but then so was Lambert in 2012.
I think Paul Clement could be a good manager in future, but doubt he'd leave Madrid.
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I wonder if the board will look at how well Koeman has done at Southampton and consider Ronald de Boer? He was linked to Newcastle recently, and I believe is the assistant manager at Ajax.
Assistant manager of Ajax's youth team.
Frank de Boer was the one linked to Newcastle.
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I really don't care who we get. I shall be there next season, home and away, Championship or Premiership. Paul Lambert was the problem for me.
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Pre-supposing that a new owner would be most likely from the U.S. I would hope ( with a degree of desperation) that Klinnsman will be approached with an offer he cannot refuse. This would offer the potential new owner a sense of familiarity, the players a manager that demands respect and a club that good players would want to be involved with. He won't be cheap however and may need the comfort of a longer term contract.
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Sherwood probably wouldn't be an "interim" appointment. He had an eighteen month deal at Tottingham and would probably expect the same, as minimum, at Villa Park.
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I really don't care who we get. I shall be there next season, home and away, Championship or Premiership. Paul Lambert was the problem for me.
I'm glad things are on the up for you, Brian. It's been a miserable few months.
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Pre-supposing that a new owner would be most likely from the U.S. I would hope ( with a degree of desperation) that Klinnsman will be approached with an offer he cannot refuse. This would offer the potential new owner a sense of familiarity, the players a manager that demands respect and a club that good players would want to be involved with. He won't be cheap however and may need the comfort of a longer term contract.
And what if Klinsmann is rubbish (as he has been in the only club management job that he has ever had)?
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If Sherwood was a short term appointment initially I don't mind. At the moment I'm just relishing feeling hope again.
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The only thing that gives me any cause for pessimism right now is the length of time it took to appoint Houllier. To me, it felt like we were casting around for a big name and was surprised when he was the biggest one to turn up. It suggests what many people have already said - to us, we're a huge draw, but maybe in football circles the Villa job is not the dream appointment.
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Sherwood probably wouldn't be an "interim" appointment. He had an eighteen month deal at Tottingham and would probably expect the same, as minimum, at Villa Park.
Thing is that's relatively interim and it's a good option especially if there was a potential break after 6 months.
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Pre-supposing that a new owner would be most likely from the U.S. I would hope ( with a degree of desperation) that Klinnsman will be approached with an offer he cannot refuse. This would offer the potential new owner a sense of familiarity, the players a manager that demands respect and a club that good players would want to be involved with. He won't be cheap however and may need the comfort of a longer term contract.
And what if Klinsmann is rubbish (as he has been in the only club management job that he has ever had)?
I will bow to your better knowledge as I used the dubious Wikipedia for research which indicated that he left Bayern ( after a disagreement with the Board) with the team 3 points of the top of the league and a record of 16 wins, 6 draws and 7 losses. More importantly in my opinion however was his involvement with the Player Development centre which surely has helped Bayern become the team they now are.
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Sherwood probably wouldn't be an "interim" appointment. He had an eighteen month deal at Tottingham and would probably expect the same, as minimum, at Villa Park.
Thing is that's relatively interim and it's a good option especially if there was a potential break after 6 months.
Why would Sherwood agree to that anymore than a six month contract?
Spurs' ending up paying off the second year of his contract to get Pochettino in, and if a much better manager were available in the summer (which there would be, we're talking about Tim Sherwood not Jose Mourinho) then I can't see the board being keen to pay off another manager in six months.
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I don't get the clamour for Klinsmann. Not a proven coach at any level. Worked well as a figurehead to get his national team going again but with a very capable coach in Low behind him. If we want to give him a few million to come in till end of the season as a motivator fine but permanent NO.
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FFS I woke up in the night thinking about this, a nightmare as we were looking at either Moyes or Big Sam. Now...either would likely keep us up but long term I want someone who will bring the excitement back of going to watch the VIlla, I don't think either of those two would and I'm not totally convinced we need someone with PL experience. It's not as if we don't have some decent players to get a tune out of.
No real idea who, Karanka, Dyche, Klopp the fellow who managed Chile, Paul Clement...someone who can coach, motivate and is comfortable with the modern game. Surely we are not so short of cash we can't buy a manager out of their current contract?
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If Sherwood was a short term appointment initially I don't mind.
Fcuk please no. Might as well grab someone standing on the sidelines at the park pitch on any given Sunday for all the tactical acumen he would bring.
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It is a tricky situation as there are two issues at stake:
1) Somebody to come in and turn the team around - get 4/5 wins and a few draws to keep us up.
2) We need a footballing restructure in the club from top to bottom if we are to evolve and develop.
The chances of getting somebody immediately available to meet both requirements is a very tough ask.
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I can't see past Sherwood, he was probably approached weeks ago why else would you turn up at Villa twice to watch our turgid play.
If they appoint Sherwood it will be the same "low risk" thinking they've used before, none of which were successful. This time there,s more urgency required but a manager that would get the players and fans motivated should be the way forward if they can convince that sort of manager to come to B6.
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How about Frank Rijkaard? extensive European experience and if Wiki is to believed, now working at a school in Florida???
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Not sure a any novice manager is a good idea now - its not just the position we are in but turning these dreadful performances around will be a massive job in itself. i like the idea of Hoddle for now. He would immediately get the respect of the players which would be a decent starting point.
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The problem (and a major one at that) is that we have to stay up. So we may be looking at two managers. One for this season who knows the capabilities of our playing strength and then one to come in and implement his own ideas. I still think Sir Alex would do it if asked for the remaining games this season. He would command respect and be ruthless when needed. If you bring in someone from abroad who would spend a few weeks assessing the attitude and capabilities of each player it will be too late. Certainly a big name would not want to take on
a club destined for the Championship.
Its all down to the Americans. Will they know what to do? Judging from past experience it's not very likely is it?.
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let's not fuck about, get Alex Ferguson in with whoever he needs coaching wise until the end of the season....
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Need someone very quick.Worried if we win on Sunday Lerner will stick with the chuckle brothers in charge as a cheap fix.He is capable of anything as we all know
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Not sure a any novice manager is a good idea now - its not just the position we are in but turning these dreadful performances around will be a massive job in itself. i like the idea of Hoddle for now. He would immediately get the respect of the players which would be a decent starting point.
Hoddle's last job was at Wolves. A good ten years ago, where he failed miserably. His ego would never get through the door. He would be an absolute disaster.
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Not sure a any novice manager is a good idea now - its not just the position we are in but turning these dreadful performances around will be a massive job in itself. i like the idea of Hoddle for now. He would immediately get the respect of the players which would be a decent starting point.
Hoddle's last job was at Wolves. A good ten years ago, where he failed miserably. His ego would never get through the door. He would be an absolute disaster.
Thats sorted then. Lerner is bound to appoint him!!!!!!!
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Roy Keane on a one day contract, just enought time to kick a loan player back to Manchester
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I think we need to go foreign. Bilic, Prandelli, or Benitez - who is out of contract in the summer would be my targets.
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If they did get hoddle I wouldn't be thinking about his beliefs I'd just want him to do his best for the team
His abysmal record at Wolves and Spurs is even more worrying than his disgusting personal beliefs.
Cant believe he gets linked to any top division job.
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Will we be starting Jetwatch again ?
Where is Lerners jet right now ?
Who works at airports or have friends at airports ?
(http://i4.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article172871.ece/alternates/s615/plane-parked-in-norway-picture-credit-tidens-krav-263757732.jpg)
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have we a a spy in Randy's underground car park yet,
or maybe a undercover phone call to trick someone into spilling the beans
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If they did get hoddle I wouldn't be thinking about his beliefs I'd just want him to do his best for the team
His abysmal record at Wolves and Spurs is even more worrying than his disgusting personal beliefs.
Cant believe he gets linked to any top division job.
If Hoddle was appointed, I'd be calling for his dismissal from day one.
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If they did get hoddle I wouldn't be thinking about his beliefs I'd just want him to do his best for the team
His abysmal record at Wolves and Spurs is even more worrying than his disgusting personal beliefs.
Cant believe he gets linked to any top division job.
He's part of the Sky Sports Old Pals Brigade. It's the only reason the likes of Souness, Hoddle, Redknapp get linked with jobs. People listen to their punditry then believe they could do a decent job somewhere.
They are pundits for a reason! Too much football on TV....Grrrrr.......Kill Modern Football!!!
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Will we be starting Jetwatch again ?
Where is Lerners jet right now ?
Who works at airports or have friends at airports ?
(http://i4.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article172871.ece/alternates/s615/plane-parked-in-norway-picture-credit-tidens-krav-263757732.jpg)
You need to go to TBAR and watch out for any posts by The Trees! He is brilliant at spotting incoming and outgoing flights at BMX which then allows our learned friends over there to weave all sorts of conspiracy theories
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Joke woke up , so happy
Watching MOTD in bed now
I hope keown knows nothing because he's just said he's heard its hoddle
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I think we need to go foreign. Bilic, Prandelli, or Benitez - who is out of contract in the summer would be my targets.
Bilic would get my vote out of those, and possibly out of all the choices.
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I think we need to go foreign. Bilic, Prandelli, or Benitez - who is out of contract in the summer would be my targets.
MMMM Dr Jo?
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I think we need to go foreign. Bilic, Prandelli, or Benitez - who is out of contract in the summer would be my targets.
MMMM Dr Jo?
Dr Jo was just the wrong man. Right idea though. But that was 25 yeas ago. And There are now foreign managers working all over in Different countries. You might have noticed.
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Sasa Curcic's my preference.
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If they did get hoddle I wouldn't be thinking about his beliefs I'd just want him to do his best for the team
His abysmal record at Wolves and Spurs is even more worrying than his disgusting personal beliefs.
Cant believe he gets linked to any top division job.
If Hoddle was appointed, I'd be calling for his dismissal from day one.
A bad idea - he is simply terrible at the practical application of his ideas. His last 3 jobs have ended badly.
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let's not fuck about, get Alex Ferguson in with whoever he needs coaching wise until the end of the season....
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No. He took ages to get up to speed at Man Utd...
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let's not fuck about, get Alex Ferguson in with whoever he needs coaching wise until the end of the season....
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No. He took ages to get up to speed at Man Utd...
That's a bit of a myth. They were runners-up in his first full season.
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I've heard a couple of ex pros talk about whispers referring to Hoddle. I remember watching him during the World Cup and thinking punditary was about his level.
God help us.
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Hoddle's coaching never seemed to benefit QPR?
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Give that we seem to be looking for a director of football, I suppose Hoddle in that role with Sherwood as head coach might not be beyond the reasons of possibility.
Hope not.
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Can somebody please explain to me what Sean Dyche offers that we didn't think we were getting with Paul Lambert?
He dresses very nicely. A bit like a funeral director.
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Can somebody please explain to me what Sean Dyche offers that we didn't think we were getting with Paul Lambert?
He dresses very nicely. A bit like a funeral director.
That would go well with that flaming bell they used to ring before kick off a while back.
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Can somebody please explain to me what Sean Dyche offers that we didn't think we were getting with Paul Lambert?
He dresses very nicely. A bit like a funeral director.
He talks clearer too. Could never be accused of mumbling. His stock is high. If I were him I'd avoid it like the plague at this stage. Being honest.
Maybe review in 10 weeks time.
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I think we need to go foreign. Bilic, Prandelli, or Benitez - who is out of contract in the summer would be my targets.
MMMM Dr Jo?
You think we should never hire a foreign manager again because of that?
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let's not fuck about, get Alex Ferguson in with whoever he needs coaching wise until the end of the season....
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No. He took ages to get up to speed at Man Utd...
helping the Villa would be his greatest triumph !
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The only thing that gives me any cause for pessimism right now is the length of time it took to appoint Houllier. To me, it felt like we were casting around for a big name and was surprised when he was the biggest one to turn up. It suggests what many people have already said - to us, we're a huge draw, but maybe in football circles the Villa job is not the dream appointment.
Wasn't that the time when the club wanted to appoint - or at least approach - Steve McLaren, but had a change of heart because he'd have been too unpopular with the fans? What an irony it will be, and what sweet revenge for McLaren, if we go down and he brings Derby up this season! (and how stupid we'll look too).
I think you're right about Villa not being a dream job these days - more of a nightmare if anything right now. It's hard to imagine any decent manager who's doing a good job at another club who'd want to chance their career on a rescue mission with us. So I think Sherwood's probably the only credible option, as he's desperate for a job and has shown he can make a quick impact - although at Spurs he had the advantage of already being at the club and knowing the players. Whether he'd be one for the longer term is debatable, but no doubt the club will make it worth his while if he keeps us up this season.
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let's not fuck about, get Alex Ferguson in with whoever he needs coaching wise until the end of the season....
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No. He took ages to get up to speed at Man Utd...
helping the Villa would be his greatest triumph !
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He would probably get us a 5-0 win in the league game at Man U, win the FA Cup beating Liverpool in the final but lose the other 12 in the league without scoring a goal. Thus sending us down, then walk away from the game forever putting two fingers up to us, the scousers and Man U becoming a recluse on a Scottish highland estate.
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Not this again. You really think we refused to appoint McLaren because of protests that, conveniently, nobody saw or heard, then went ahead and appointed McLeish despite the very visible and vocal discontent among fans?
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let's not fuck about, get Alex Ferguson in with whoever he needs coaching wise until the end of the season....
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No. He took ages to get up to speed at Man Utd...
helping the Villa would be his greatest triumph !
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He would probably get us a 5-0 win in the league game at Man U, win the FA Cup beating Liverpool in the final but lose the other 12 in the league without scoring a goal. Thus sending us down, then walk away from the game forever putting two fingers up to us, the scousers and Man U becoming a recluse on a Scottish highland estate.
FA Cup win you say.....;)
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I really don't care who we get. I shall be there next season, home and away, Championship or Premiership. Paul Lambert was the problem for me.
Fundamentalist
You're just a fundamentalist you're just a fundamentalist!
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Not this again. You really think we refused to appoint McLaren because of protests that, conveniently, nobody saw or heard, then went ahead and appointed McLeish despite the very visible and vocal discontent among fans?
Pat Murphy was repeating that utter guff yesterday.
In many ways I think Murphy is good at his job, the way he gave Fox a hard time, for example, but there are a few things he gets into his head and just will not let go of.
McClaren is one of them, Randy not talking to the press is another.
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The only thing that gives me any cause for pessimism right now is the length of time it took to appoint Houllier. To me, it felt like we were casting around for a big name and was surprised when he was the biggest one to turn up. It suggests what many people have already said - to us, we're a huge draw, but maybe in football circles the Villa job is not the dream appointment.
Wasn't that the time when the club wanted to appoint - or at least approach - Steve McLaren, but had a change of heart because he'd have been too unpopular with the fans? What an irony it will be, and what sweet revenge for McLaren, if we go down and he brings Derby up this season! (and how stupid we'll look too).
I think you're right about Villa not being a dream job these days - more of a nightmare if anything right now. It's hard to imagine any decent manager who's doing a good job at another club who'd want to chance their career on a rescue mission with us. So I think Sherwood's probably the only credible option, as he's desperate for a job and has shown he can make a quick impact - although at Spurs he had the advantage of already being at the club and knowing the players. Whether he'd be one for the longer term is debatable, but no doubt the club will make it worth his while if he keeps us up this season.
Part of me would like to give Sherwood a go. There's a touch of the John Gregory about him which isn't all bad and not completely good either.
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The only thing that gives me any cause for pessimism right now is the length of time it took to appoint Houllier. To me, it felt like we were casting around for a big name and was surprised when he was the biggest one to turn up. It suggests what many people have already said - to us, we're a huge draw, but maybe in football circles the Villa job is not the dream appointment.
Wasn't that the time when the club wanted to appoint - or at least approach - Steve McLaren, but had a change of heart because he'd have been too unpopular with the fans? What an irony it will be, and what sweet revenge for McLaren, if we go down and he brings Derby up this season! (and how stupid we'll look too).
I think you're right about Villa not being a dream job these days - more of a nightmare if anything right now. It's hard to imagine any decent manager who's doing a good job at another club who'd want to chance their career on a rescue mission with us. So I think Sherwood's probably the only credible option, as he's desperate for a job and has shown he can make a quick impact - although at Spurs he had the advantage of already being at the club and knowing the players. Whether he'd be one for the longer term is debatable, but no doubt the club will make it worth his while if he keeps us up this season.
Part of me would like to give Sherwood a go. There's a touch of the John Gregory about him which isn't all bad and not completely good either.
He hasn't done anything of worth to merit a top job. Caretaker at Tottenham doesn't qualify for me. If he'd had a couple of years building a club, getting a Promotion under his belt I'd have considered him.
Gregory was slightly different prospect because we knew him. He knew us. And the affinity was already there.
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Reading the official announcement last night, the way the Club will 'announce a new manager in due course' makes me think they already have someone lined up.
Normally, they would say the club will now begin the process of searching for the right candidate, blah blah....
Just a hunch that we will be hearing something very soon.
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Sherwood 4-6 with PaddyPower - Meh
Hoddle 5-2 2nd Fav - the shaking head back and forth rapidly face emocion thingy. Dear God - not literally mind.
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Laudrop would be the perfect Birthday present.
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Sherwood 4-6 with PaddyPower - Meh
Hoddle 5-2 2nd Fav - the shaking head back and forth rapidly face emocion thingy. Dear God - not literally mind.
Panic not. The bookies were miles out with all appointments, stretching back to before MO'N rocked up.
It'll be someone whacky that hasn't been mentioned so far. A Jan Molby. Or a Sammy Chung. Something/one bizarre and headscratching.
Sit back and enjoy the ride.
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I said on here last night that Karanka for the work his done at Boro would be my choice but I wonder if, after three years as assistant manager at Ajax, Dennis Bergkamp is ready for a step up. You don't get a bad coaching education being part of the Ajax system.
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Not this again. You really think we refused to appoint McLaren because of protests that, conveniently, nobody saw or heard, then went ahead and appointed McLeish despite the very visible and vocal discontent among fans?
In Lerners defence, on the McLeish appointment.
We, the fans were calling for the ginger, Scottish manager.
However, we were on about the one called Moyes ;D
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I said on here last night that Karanka for the work his done at Boro would be my choice but I wonder if, after three years as assistant manager at Ajax, Dennis Bergkamp is ready for a step up. You don't get a bad coaching education being part of the Ajax system.
Dennis Bergkamp, randomly came into my head about 15 minutes ago. I'd definitely be happy with Karanka.
Can't see him leaving Boro' at the minute though.
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Sherwood 4-6 with PaddyPower - Meh
Hoddle 5-2 2nd Fav - the shaking head back and forth rapidly face emocion thingy. Dear God - not literally mind.
Panic not. The bookies were miles out with all appointments, stretching back to before MO'N rocked up.
It'll be someone whacky that hasn't been mentioned so far. A Jan Molby. Or a Sammy Chung. Something/one bizarre and headscratching.
Sit back and enjoy the ride.
True - Mick McCarthy was favourite immediately after TSM got binned.
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Tim Sherwood does sound like an unimaginative appointment: great on motivation, not so great on tactics. Depressingly, he seems to be the favourite.
Couple of names not mentioned so far: how about Nigel Adkins or Steve Clarke?
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Pat Murphy on 5 live
"The new Aston Villa manager will be recommended by the chief executive Tom Fox, with the owner Randy Lerner prepared to rubberstamp his decision. Lerner will not be part of the interview process.
"Lerner operates out of New York and is hardly ever in Birmingham, as he comes to rely more and more on the advice of his fellow-American whom he appointed as CEO last September. It was Fox who recommended Lambert should be sacked after Tuesday night's defeat at Hull.
"Fox will take soundings from Villa's director of recruitment Paddy Reilly and an inner circle of trusted colleagues before moving in on a target. Coaching expertise will be essential - Villa were short in that area during Lambert's tenure - and they won't be put off if their preferred candidate is with another club.
"Although time is on Villa's side in that their next Premier League game is not until a week on Saturday when they are at home to Stoke City, Fox will want a swift appointment."
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Tim Sherwood does sound like an unimaginative appointment: great on motivation, not so great on tactics. Depressingly, he seems to be the favourite.
Couple of names not mentioned so far: how about Nigel Adkins or Steve Clarke?
Adkins is a Championship Manager
Steve Clarke is a very good coach. We would need to hire an exceptional DoF in that case. And pay Reading compensation.
I very much doubt that Villa have such extensive succession planning. Normally involves Randy getting on a plane.
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Tim Sherwood does sound like an unimaginative appointment: great on motivation, not so great on tactics. Depressingly, he seems to be the favourite.
Couple of names not mentioned so far: how about Nigel Adkins or Steve Clarke?
Sherwood comes across like Redknob to me. Bit of a Cockney geezer, 'get into em ladz' kind of motivation rather than anything tactically useful.
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Pat Murphy on 5 live
"The new Aston Villa manager will be recommended by the chief executive Tom Fox, with the owner Randy Lerner prepared to rubberstamp his decision. Lerner will not be part of the interview process.
"Lerner operates out of New York and is hardly ever in Birmingham, as he comes to rely more and more on the advice of his fellow-American whom he appointed as CEO last September. It was Fox who recommended Lambert should be sacked after Tuesday night's defeat at Hull.
"Fox will take soundings from Villa's director of recruitment Paddy Reilly and an inner circle of trusted colleagues before moving in on a target. Coaching expertise will be essential - Villa were short in that area during Lambert's tenure - and they won't be put off if their preferred candidate is with another club.
"Although time is on Villa's side in that their next Premier League game is not until a week on Saturday when they are at home to Stoke City, Fox will want a swift appointment."
They better get this one fucking right. The most important appointment since 1987 IMO.
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Not this again. You really think we refused to appoint McLaren because of protests that, conveniently, nobody saw or heard, then went ahead and appointed McLeish despite the very visible and vocal discontent among fans?
In Lerners defence, on the McLeish appointment.
We, the fans were calling for the ginger, Scottish manager.
However, we were on about the one called Moyes ;D
There is no defence for that appointment. Just lots of defending thereafter. Literally.
A laughable appointment had it not been so serious.
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Haven't been on here for ages but today is such a special day I thought I'd say hello...
If we can't get a stunning, world-class manager in the next week (and I doubt if it's possible) then I would suggest an interim manager for the rest of the season. Preferably someone with an affinity for the club who the supporters will rally behind and who has the presence and authority to quickly knock the team into a more cohesive unit and get them playing football. Someone who won't want the job in the long term but cares for the club and is prepared to put their neck on the line because, let's face it, they're on a hiding to nothing.
Quite honestly, I have no idea who will turn up in B6 next but i think our chances of avoiding relegation have improved now Lambert has gone....
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The Neville brothers !!!!!!!
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Sherwood thought he could play possession football in a 4-4-2. Straight 4-4-2 as well, with wingers. That's pretty much what MON thought he could do as well, which I think says it all.
Or does it say it all that Adebayor, the laziest player in the known universe, loved training under him? That's f***ing ominous, tbh.
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Not this again. You really think we refused to appoint McLaren because of protests that, conveniently, nobody saw or heard, then went ahead and appointed McLeish despite the very visible and vocal discontent among fans?
In Lerners defence, on the McLeish appointment.
We, the fans were calling for the ginger, Scottish manager.
However, we were on about the one called Moyes ;D
I wasn't
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Sherwood thought he could play possession football in a 4-4-2. Straight 4-4-2 as well, with wingers. That's pretty much what MON thought he could do as well, which I think says it all.
Or does it say it all that Adebayor, the laziest player in the known universe, loved training under him? That's f***ing ominous, tbh.
Jeeps - when you put it that way it is a substantial weight against him being considered.
Who would you have Monty?
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If we appointed Sherwood, I reckon it'd be less than a month before we started to object to what a knob he was.
Remember how we used to get annoyed by Houllier's ability to put his foot in his mouth? Sherwood is ten times as bad.
If we are going to be stuck for options now, I would much rather appoint someone on an interim basis till the end of the season and take it from there (as Newcastle have done).
After all, we've spent the last few years telling each other how shit Lambert is. Isn't the flip side of that that it should therefore be easy to get someone better than him for the rest of the season?
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The Neville brothers !!!!!!!
They are in their 70's if I am not mistaken.
Unless you mean Ivan.
Yellow Moon was a quarter of century ago. Sigh
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More inspired by some of the suggestions on here - Bilic, Prandelli etc - than the majority of the suggestions touted by the bookies.
Whoever, we need someone with a good coaching background who can make the most of the players we have and can turn us around bloody sharpish.
As Ron Manager says, that may mean one appointment for the short term, one for the longer term.
Both need very careful consideration and I can't see anything happening in the next few days...
unless they do have somebody already lined up and are sorting out details/having a reasonable period of mourning for Mr Lambert.
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Sherwood thought he could play possession football in a 4-4-2. Straight 4-4-2 as well, with wingers. That's pretty much what MON thought he could do as well, which I think says it all.
Or does it say it all that Adebayor, the laziest player in the known universe, loved training under him? That's f***ing ominous, tbh.
Jeeps - when you put it that way it is a substantial weight against him being considered.
Who would you have Monty?
Prandelli, if we're going ambitious. But if we're shopping at Lidl rather than Waitrose? I really don't know. It's pretty grim out there right now.
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I see we are "intersested" in Sean Dyche, which will apparently start a war with Burnley.
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Sherwood thought he could play possession football in a 4-4-2. Straight 4-4-2 as well, with wingers. That's pretty much what MON thought he could do as well, which I think says it all.
Or does it say it all that Adebayor, the laziest player in the known universe, loved training under him? That's f***ing ominous, tbh.
Jeeps - when you put it that way it is a substantial weight against him being considered.
Who would you have Monty?
Prandelli, if we're going ambitious. But if we're shopping at Lidl rather than Waitrose? I really don't know. It's pretty grim out there right now.
Yep mirrors my thoughts. That said Lidl Champagne is an award winner.
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I see we are "intersested" in Sean Dyche, which will apparently start a war with Burnley.
Whos to say hes not the next Owen Coyle?
Or Paul Lambert?
Cannot risk any more unproven up and coming managers.
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Mr Fox was at Arsenal...agreed.
Mr Fox probably knows somebody who used to be at Arsenal and is at this present time unemployed,I think
Mr Fox might, just might, consider..... Tony Adams!
or then again he may not. Tony Adams seems to have disappeared in the last few years. He is still only 48.
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The one thing that does encourage me is it looks like it's going to be Fox making the decision and he'll want somebody that can completely ignite the Villa and help him bring in the type of commercial deals his new chap is there to search. I really think he'll raise the bar in terms of ambition which will hopefully rule out people like Sherwood.
Add to that, it's his decision as to how much we pay a manager and hopefully he'll see the importance of getting the right man even if it's going to cost us an extra few quid. The only downside is he needs somebody to come in and immediately get results. There will be no honeymoon period.
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The Neville brothers !!!!!!!
The Chuckle Brothers?
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Since Fox was at Arsenal should he not consider asking David Dein to join and consult on the new manager recruitment?
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No Lerner wants a letter from Wenger so he can frame it and keep it with the one from Fergie
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Hopefully Fox's time at Arsenal will lead Villa to be more open minded about appointing a foreign coach. Our insistence on a British coach, whilst teams like Southampton have made appointments like Pochettino and Koeman has been particularly galling.
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Hopefully Fox's time at Arsenal will lead Villa to be more open minded about appointing a foreign coach. Our insistence on a British coach, whilst teams like Southampton have made appointments like Pochettino and Koeman has been particularly galling.
It's made us look like dowdy provincials, frankly. For god's sake, we're the biggest club in the most multicultural city in the country, and we were carrying on like we were Burnley under the ownership of the EDL. It was maddening.
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Since Fox was at Arsenal should he not consider asking David Dein to join and consult on the new manager recruitment?
I was thinking that too - however Dein's reputation is based mainly on recruiting Wenger when hardly anyone had heard of him. He may have just got lucky with Wenger, who knows?
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The one thing that does encourage me is it looks like it's going to be Fox making the decision and he'll want somebody that can completely ignite the Villa and help him bring in the type of commercial deals his new chap is there to search. I really think he'll raise the bar in terms of ambition which will hopefully rule out people like Sherwood.
Add to that, it's his decision as to how much we pay a manager and hopefully he'll see the importance of getting the right man even if it's going to cost us an extra few quid. The only downside is he needs somebody to come in and immediately get results. There will be no honeymoon period.
People will laugh at what I'm about to say next, but the only available-ish guy I can think of who ticks all the boxes you highlight is Rafa Benitez. It would take a major shift in Lerner's ambitions to get him on board but he has the reputation, profile and winning mentality to get Villa moving forward again. If Fox wants to attract bigger sponsorships etc. this kind of appointment would be a serious signal of intent. I believe Benitez's contract at Napoli ends in the Summer, which would mean a relatively low pay-off, I assume.
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Mr Fox was at Arsenal...agreed.
Mr Fox probably knows somebody who used to be at Arsenal and is at this present time unemployed,I think
Mr Fox might, just might, consider..... Tony Adams!
or then again he may not. Tony Adams seems to have disappeared in the last few years. He is still only 48.
He can stay disappeared.
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Can we have a poll?
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Can we have a poll?
Boniek?
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DoL was an Arsenal legend wasn't he......Gulp!
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Since Fox was at Arsenal should he not consider asking David Dein to join and consult on the new manager recruitment?
I was thinking that too - however Dein's reputation is based mainly on recruiting Wenger when hardly anyone had heard of him. He may have just got lucky with Wenger, who knows?
Valid point, it's either going to be someone unexpected or someone predictable like Sherwood
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DoL was an Arsenal legend wasn't he......Gulp!
When's he getting back in the bloody game?
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Javier Aguirre, ex Mexico manager. Looking for a job, speaks good English.
Got in a spot of bother for match-fixing, but we could probably do with a bit of that at the moment.
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Can we have a poll?
But do we really need a plumber?
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Tim Sherwood does sound like an unimaginative appointment: great on motivation, not so great on tactics. Depressingly, he seems to be the favourite.
I would hope Tom Fox reads this before thinking about Sherwood:
http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/desperate-times-call-for-tim-sherwood
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The boy at Boro only 41 and had 3 years as Real Madrid assistant manager Karanka worth a shout ??
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Tim Sherwood does sound like an unimaginative appointment: great on motivation, not so great on tactics. Depressingly, he seems to be the favourite.
I would hope Tom Fox reads this before thinking about Sherwood:
http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/desperate-times-call-for-tim-sherwood
Sherwood did really well bringing the youth into the squad without sacrificing wins. He's got a knack for winning and I think he'd do well for us. Our squad needs a boot up their ass.
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Big doubts about Michael Laudrup. He doesn't strike me as someone who would be committed enough.
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Big doubts about Michael Laudrup. He doesn't strike me as someone who would be committed enough.
He definitely isn't. However, if he gets us out of this hole, it might just be worth it.
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Lerner in charge Micky Mouse or Charlie Chaplin
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Sherwood thought he could play possession ...
...Jeeps
Who would you have...
Prandelli, if we're going ambitious. But if we're shopping at Lidl rather than Waitrose? I really don't know. It's pretty grim out there right now.
Yep mirrors my thoughts. That said Lidl Champagne is an award winner.
Lidl? It feels more like a trip to the food bank these days.
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Tim Sherwood does sound like an unimaginative appointment: great on motivation, not so great on tactics. Depressingly, he seems to be the favourite.
I would hope Tom Fox reads this before thinking about Sherwood:
http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/desperate-times-call-for-tim-sherwood
Sherwood did really well bringing the youth into the squad without sacrificing wins. He's got a knack for winning and I think he'd do well for us. Our squad needs a boot up their ass.
I think Tim Sherwood would be a hopeless appointment in the circumstances. Not experienced enough.
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Kevin McDonald until the end of the season?
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E-I-E-I-No.
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No, I've got it. Rapha Benitez, will probably leave Napoli in the summer anyway and lives at the training ground with his family still on Merseyside. Win-win.
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Tim Sherwood does sound like an unimaginative appointment: great on motivation, not so great on tactics. Depressingly, he seems to be the favourite.
Couple of names not mentioned so far: how about Nigel Adkins or Steve Clarke?
I'd like Adkins.
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Tim Sherwood does sound like an unimaginative appointment: great on motivation, not so great on tactics. Depressingly, he seems to be the favourite.
I would hope Tom Fox reads this before thinking about Sherwood:
http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/desperate-times-call-for-tim-sherwood
That's really terrifying.
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Pat Murphy on 5 live
"The new Aston Villa manager will be recommended by the chief executive Tom Fox, with the owner Randy Lerner prepared to rubberstamp his decision. Lerner will not be part of the interview process.
"Lerner operates out of New York and is hardly ever in Birmingham, as he comes to rely more and more on the advice of his fellow-American whom he appointed as CEO last September. It was Fox who recommended Lambert should be sacked after Tuesday night's defeat at Hull.
"Fox will take soundings from Villa's director of recruitment Paddy Reilly and an inner circle of trusted colleagues before moving in on a target. Coaching expertise will be essential - Villa were short in that area during Lambert's tenure - and they won't be put off if their preferred candidate is with another club.
"Although time is on Villa's side in that their next Premier League game is not until a week on Saturday when they are at home to Stoke City, Fox will want a swift appointment."
Promising.
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E-I-E-I-No.
I think we should give Bono a go, because we still have not found what we've been looking for :)
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Tim Sherwood does sound like an unimaginative appointment: great on motivation, not so great on tactics. Depressingly, he seems to be the favourite.
Couple of names not mentioned so far: how about Nigel Adkins or Steve Clarke?
I'd like Adkins.
Why?
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Every job that comes up Tim Sherwood is favourite. Why? He has managed about 30 games in his career and took a few tonkings in those. His only recommendation seems to be that he was a bit better than AVB and got more than a half arsed perfomance out of Adebayor. Totally unproven and a huge risk if we take that route. No reason to believe he would be any better than Lambert.
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Tim Sherwood does sound like an unimaginative appointment: great on motivation, not so great on tactics. Depressingly, he seems to be the favourite.
I would hope Tom Fox reads this before thinking about Sherwood:
http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/desperate-times-call-for-tim-sherwood
That's really terrifying.
Nasty, isn't it.
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Tim Sherwood does sound like an unimaginative appointment: great on motivation, not so great on tactics. Depressingly, he seems to be the favourite.
Couple of names not mentioned so far: how about Nigel Adkins or Steve Clarke?
I'd like Adkins.
Why?
Great Hair style?
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E-I-E-I-No.
I think we should give Bono a go, because we still have not found what we've been looking for :)
You've gone too far.
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Since Fox was at Arsenal should he not consider asking David Dein to join and consult on the new manager recruitment?
I was thinking that too - however Dein's reputation is based mainly on recruiting Wenger when hardly anyone had heard of him. He may have just got lucky with Wenger, who knows?
It was actually Wenger who turned up at an Arsenal game and met Dein's wife, and she had the intelligence to tell Mr Dein that he may wish to have a proper chat with Wenger.
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Whoever takes over needs to be able to put a suitable coaching staff in place, that is something we've been badly missing for a long time.
Also Adkins? no thanks.
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Tim Sherwood does sound like an unimaginative appointment: great on motivation, not so great on tactics. Depressingly, he seems to be the favourite.
Couple of names not mentioned so far: how about Nigel Adkins or Steve Clarke?
I'd like Adkins.
Why?
Thought he did well at Southampton.
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People will laugh at what I'm about to say next, but the only available-ish guy I can think of who ticks all the boxes you highlight is Rafa Benitez. It would take a major shift in Lerner's ambitions to get him on board but he has the reputation, profile and winning mentality to get Villa moving forward again. If Fox wants to attract bigger sponsorships etc. this kind of appointment would be a serious signal of intent. I believe Benitez's contract at Napoli ends in the Summer, which would mean a relatively low pay-off, I assume.
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No laughing here, would be a great appointment. The class of Manager we should be looking at - although if we cant supply sufficient finances are unlikely to attract.
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I'd be delighted with Benitez but he's already turned us down once, hasn't he?
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Tim Sherwood does sound like an unimaginative appointment: great on motivation, not so great on tactics. Depressingly, he seems to be the favourite.
Couple of names not mentioned so far: how about Nigel Adkins or Steve Clarke?
I'd like Adkins.
You have to be kidding, yes? Failure at Reading.
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Gareth Southgate ?
just thought I would chuck that in with my Ferguson shout...
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Pat Murphy on 5 live
"The new Aston Villa manager will be recommended by the chief executive Tom Fox, with the owner Randy Lerner prepared to rubberstamp his decision. Lerner will not be part of the interview process.
"Lerner operates out of New York and is hardly ever in Birmingham, as he comes to rely more and more on the advice of his fellow-American whom he appointed as CEO last September. It was Fox who recommended Lambert should be sacked after Tuesday night's defeat at Hull.
"Fox will take soundings from Villa's director of recruitment Paddy Reilly and an inner circle of trusted colleagues before moving in on a target. Coaching expertise will be essential - Villa were short in that area during Lambert's tenure - and they won't be put off if their preferred candidate is with another club.
"Although time is on Villa's side in that their next Premier League game is not until a week on Saturday when they are at home to Stoke City, Fox will want a swift appointment."
Promising.
Very promising that they realise that coaching is a major issue.
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Pat Murphy on 5 live
"The new Aston Villa manager will be recommended by the chief executive Tom Fox, with the owner Randy Lerner prepared to rubberstamp his decision. Lerner will not be part of the interview process.
"Lerner operates out of New York and is hardly ever in Birmingham, as he comes to rely more and more on the advice of his fellow-American whom he appointed as CEO last September. It was Fox who recommended Lambert should be sacked after Tuesday night's defeat at Hull.
"Fox will take soundings from Villa's director of recruitment Paddy Reilly and an inner circle of trusted colleagues before moving in on a target. Coaching expertise will be essential - Villa were short in that area during Lambert's tenure - and they won't be put off if their preferred candidate is with another club.
"Although time is on Villa's side in that their next Premier League game is not until a week on Saturday when they are at home to Stoke City, Fox will want a swift appointment."
Promising.
That'll be the same crack recruitment team that has been scouring the world for an assistant managersince Keane flounced out.
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Remi Garde is available and Fox will have known him from his Arsenal days. I think he was interviewed earlier this year for the Newcastle job but wanted to bring his coaching staff with him which would have involved compensation at they're still employed by Lyon.
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Pat Murphy on 5 live
"The new Aston Villa manager will be recommended by the chief executive Tom Fox, with the owner Randy Lerner prepared to rubberstamp his decision. Lerner will not be part of the interview process.
"Lerner operates out of New York and is hardly ever in Birmingham, as he comes to rely more and more on the advice of his fellow-American whom he appointed as CEO last September. It was Fox who recommended Lambert should be sacked after Tuesday night's defeat at Hull.
"Fox will take soundings from Villa's director of recruitment Paddy Reilly and an inner circle of trusted colleagues before moving in on a target. Coaching expertise will be essential - Villa were short in that area during Lambert's tenure - and they won't be put off if their preferred candidate is with another club.
"Although time is on Villa's side in that their next Premier League game is not until a week on Saturday when they are at home to Stoke City, Fox will want a swift appointment."
Promising.
Very promising that they realise that coaching is a major issue.
Which we've all been saying for months. Just a shame they've left it this long to do something about it. Clowns.
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Let's hope the coaching expertise thing rules Sherwood out.
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Sir Alex on a short 3 month contract for the following reasons:
- he always spoke very highly of us
- he for sure would get the players 'motivated'
- he owes us for the McLeish recommendation
- most importantly of all, it would piss the Mancs off no end and go somewhat to making up for 92-93.
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Tim Sherwood does sound like an unimaginative appointment: great on motivation, not so great on tactics. Depressingly, he seems to be the favourite.
I would hope Tom Fox reads this before thinking about Sherwood:
http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/desperate-times-call-for-tim-sherwood
That's really terrifying.
Nasty, isn't it.
Doesn't really say anything and what it does say isn't backed up with any real evidence. Irony is lost on the author when he accuses Sherwood of hyperbole.
Sherwood probably refused to give him his autograph or something.
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Gareth Southgate ?
just thought I would chuck that in with my Ferguson shout...
UTV
the Doc
Do you honestly think Gareth's got the personality to lead a side out in 13 'cup finals' Doc?
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Gareth Southgate ?
just thought I would chuck that in with my Ferguson shout...
UTV
the Doc
He has a 100% record of relegating clubs he's managed. Why would anyone think he was the answer?
It's entirely possible he could improve but if he wants to rebuild his reputation he should start far lower than Aston Villa.
I'll say again. Everyone went mad when we appointed a relegated manager who won the League Cup. Why would anyone be in favour of a relegated manager who didn't win the League Cup?
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People will laugh at what I'm about to say next, but the only available-ish guy I can think of who ticks all the boxes you highlight is Rafa Benitez. It would take a major shift in Lerner's ambitions to get him on board but he has the reputation, profile and winning mentality to get Villa moving forward again. If Fox wants to attract bigger sponsorships etc. this kind of appointment would be a serious signal of intent. I believe Benitez's contract at Napoli ends in the Summer, which would mean a relatively low pay-off, I assume.
No laughing here, would be a great appointment. The class of Manager we should be looking at - although if we cant supply sufficient finances are unlikely to attract.
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I would absolutely love Rafa. He'd be perfect.
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Please,please not Sherwood or Hoddle. Sherwood has next to no experience and seems a bit of an arrogant knob. Hoddle spent the last World Cup talking in cliches, and his last managerial job wasn't exactly a roaring success. And, as I've said elsewhere, I would have huge problems with him at Villa because of his views on disabled people. Don't think Benitez would come given the transfer budget limitations. Apart from Klinsmann - who I would love to see here - I must admit I don't know a fat lot about overseas managers but would love to know how Southampton found Pochettino and followed that up with Koeman. If they're going to poach a current manager - Dyche seems to be doing well on limited resources and plays a decent brand of football but he may be a one season wonder, and besides him the only other fit may be Hughes. But the question remains - who would want to take us on now that we've dropped into the bottom 3? Basically by leaving it so late to sack Lambert, they're running out of time, games and options
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Every job that comes up Tim Sherwood is favourite. Why? He has managed about 30 games in his career and took a few tonkings in those. His only recommendation seems to be that he was a bit better than AVB and got more than a half arsed perfomance out of Adebayor. Totally unproven and a huge risk if we take that route. No reason to believe he would be any better than Lambert.
I totally agree. I just can't see why Sherwood is talked of so highly. Now if he was part of a team with say someone like Hoddle above him then maybe.
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Danny Wilson (sacked by Barnsley today - not suggesting we go for him btw) - was the young up and coming manager when he got Barnsley into the Premier League. Has since had a very chequered career. If that was now then no doubt he would be on the list of favourites. We cant risk a Sean Dyche, or Eddie Howe or Nigel Adkins who have done it once in their career but havent proven themselves over a sustained period, no matter how well they interview. Otherwise its a massive risk.
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Tim Sherwood does sound like an unimaginative appointment: great on motivation, not so great on tactics. Depressingly, he seems to be the favourite.
Couple of names not mentioned so far: how about Nigel Adkins or Steve Clarke?
I'd like Adkins.
You have to be kidding, yes? Failure at Reading.
Another Paul Lambert really. Got successive promotions in the football league then struggled in the top flight.
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I'd be delighted with Benitez but he's already turned us down once, hasn't he?
Apparently, but that was at the beginning of Lerner's "period of purge". The direction of the club seems to have shifted since then going by the Fox and CCO appointments. If Fox and the CCO's remits are anything to go by, I am sure they will view the next managerial appointment as a key part of the club re-building jigsaw.
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We need someone with a steely determination,someone who has shown extreme loyalty to the club despite having to face barbs of critisism that Paul Lambert never ever had to endure.
Someone who deserves a chance in life.
Gentlemen and Ladies I give you.... Your own your very own....Jack Woodward.!
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Sherwood is now 1-2 with Paddy Power
I am hoping this is because they sucked in a load of mug punters throwing good money after bad as he missed out on QPR job, and not because he is an apparent shoo in.
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Big doubts about Michael Laudrup. He doesn't strike me as someone who would be committed enough.
He definitely isn't. However, if he gets us out of this hole, it might just be worth it.
And he would get us playing football. Anyone who can this team to do that, and with additional tactical nous, we'll score goals that will keep us up.
He wouldn't leave a lucrative contract to take this on I don't think
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Benitez is a cheque book manager. Effective but only when he has lots of money to spend. His mid range signings - ala our major one - at Liverpool were pretty shite. His top end signings - Reina, Maschereno and Torres were very good.
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I wonder if the board will look at how well Koeman has done at Southampton and consider Ronald de Boer? He was linked to Newcastle recently, and I believe is the assistant manager at Ajax.
Assistant manager of Ajax's youth team.
Frank de Boer was the one linked to Newcastle.
thanks Dave. Frank is who I meant
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Big doubts about Michael Laudrup. He doesn't strike me as someone who would be committed enough.
He definitely isn't. However, if he gets us out of this hole, it might just be worth it.
And he would get us playing football. Anyone who can this team to do that, and with additional tactical nous, we'll score goals that will keep us up.
He wouldn't leave a lucrative contract to take this on I don't think
As a hired hand and short term shock Laudrup may work
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I wonder if the board will look at how well Koeman has done at Southampton and consider Ronald de Boer? He was linked to Newcastle recently, and I believe is the assistant manager at Ajax.
Assistant manager of Ajax's youth team.
Frank de Boer was the one linked to Newcastle.
thanks Dave. Frank is who I meant
Would be a great appointment, but very unlikely unfortunately.
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Tim Sherwood is a horrible prospect.
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Big doubts about Michael Laudrup. He doesn't strike me as someone who would be committed enough.
He definitely isn't. However, if he gets us out of this hole, it might just be worth it.
And he would get us playing football. Anyone who can this team to do that, and with additional tactical nous, we'll score goals that will keep us up.
He wouldn't leave a lucrative contract to take this on I don't think
As a hired hand and short term shock Laudrup may work
Why are we talking about Laudrup when he has said he wont break his current contract? Or have I missed something in the last 68 pages?
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Tim Sherwood is a horrible prospect.
But a highly likely one. Need to be careful what you wish for sometimes.
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Tim Sherwood is a horrible prospect.
Yes. After Monty's observations I have horrible feeling about this.
A Mouth-on-a-Stick - Sherwood that is
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I was genuinely excited by the 4 appointments 1987-98. 3 of them did well - the other was worth a punt at the time.
Can't say that about the last 5 years though Lambert was certainly worth a punt at the time.
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I have to suggest Neil Warnock has a better bet for short term option. Like a lottery win for the man. Respectful of clubs history. But of course if goals are the agenda .... We all want Keegan . love it !
But asides from Warnock others would cost or are less experienced. The question is do fans want someone who knows villa and has that connection or a tried manager or a calculated gamble ...?
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I have to suggest Neil Warnock has a better bet for short term option. Like a lottery win for the man. Respectful of clubs history. But of course if goals are the agenda .... We all want Keegan . love it !
But asides from Warnock others would cost or are less experienced. The question is do fans want someone who knows villa and has that connection or a tried manager or a calculated gamble ...?
Half hols early in your part of the world?
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The choice of coach is equally important as the manager. We need a proven managerial team.
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I have to suggest Neil Warnock has a better bet for short term option. Like a lottery win for the man. Respectful of clubs history. But of course if goals are the agenda .... We all want Keegan . love it !
But asides from Warnock others would cost or are less experienced. The question is do fans want someone who knows villa and has that connection or a tried manager or a calculated gamble ...?
Half hols early in your part of the world?
I'm learning everyday. But Warnock has enthusiasm and experience he ll appreciate the task at hand and is a football man. He ll require the boys to give a good go. Just saying. Cheers
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I have to suggest Neil Warnock has a better bet for short term option. Like a lottery win for the man. Respectful of clubs history. But of course if goals are the agenda .... We all want Keegan . love it !
But asides from Warnock others would cost or are less experienced. The question is do fans want someone who knows villa and has that connection or a tried manager or a calculated gamble ...?
Half hols early in your part of the world?
I'm learning everyday. But Warnock has enthusiasm and experience he ll appreciate the task at hand and is a football man. He ll require the boys to give a good go. Just saying. Cheers
Unfortunately, he's an embarrassing moron of the type usually found in the lower leagues.
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I have to suggest Neil Warnock has a better bet for short term option. Like a lottery win for the man. Respectful of clubs history. But of course if goals are the agenda .... We all want Keegan . love it !
But asides from Warnock others would cost or are less experienced. The question is do fans want someone who knows villa and has that connection or a tried manager or a calculated gamble ...?
Half hols early in your part of the world?
I'm learning everyday. But Warnock has enthusiasm and experience he ll appreciate the task at hand and is a football man. He ll require the boys to give a good go. Just saying. Cheers
Warnock has been a failure at this level. So your recommendation, assuming for a split second you are being serious, is ill founded and frankly speaking, preposterous.
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warnock is one of a small number of options who would be a step down from where we are.
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I'm sorry, one thing is for certain - the moment we appoint Neil Warnock as manager is the moment we lose our status as a top tier football club. It's that simple.
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Tim Sherwood does sound like an unimaginative appointment: great on motivation, not so great on tactics. Depressingly, he seems to be the favourite.
I would hope Tom Fox reads this before thinking about Sherwood:
http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/desperate-times-call-for-tim-sherwood
That's really terrifying.
Nasty, isn't it.
Please remove my earlier comment about not being against his appointment.
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I have to suggest Neil Warnock has a better bet for short term option. Like a lottery win for the man. Respectful of clubs history. But of course if goals are the agenda .... We all want Keegan . love it !
But asides from Warnock others would cost or are less experienced. The question is do fans want someone who knows villa and has that connection or a tried manager or a calculated gamble ...?
Warnock? Fuck me. Your track record of players and managerial suggestions truly is horrific. Warnock is tried and proven utterly shit manager at the PL level.
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I have to suggest Neil Warnock has a better bet for short term option. Like a lottery win for the man. Respectful of clubs history. But of course if goals are the agenda .... We all want Keegan . love it !
But asides from Warnock others would cost or are less experienced. The question is do fans want someone who knows villa and has that connection or a tried manager or a calculated gamble ...?
Warnock? Fuck me. Your track record of players and managerial suggestions truly is horrific. Warnock is tried and proven utterly shit manager at the PL level.
At the moment we are *still* a bloody nice ship without a rudder. If we appoint Neil Warnock it is the admission of defeat by the club that we are now a 2nd tier, Championship/'Staying Up' side. It just cannot happen!
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Tim Sherwood does sound like an unimaginative appointment: great on motivation, not so great on tactics. Depressingly, he seems to be the favourite.
I would hope Tom Fox reads this before thinking about Sherwood:
http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/desperate-times-call-for-tim-sherwood
That's really terrifying.
Nasty, isn't it.
But it says his brand of football is "perversely watchable". At this point I can only see the watchable part. Think about it. Watchable.
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Tim Sherwood does sound like an unimaginative appointment: great on motivation, not so great on tactics. Depressingly, he seems to be the favourite.
I would hope Tom Fox reads this before thinking about Sherwood:
http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/desperate-times-call-for-tim-sherwood
That's really terrifying.
Nasty, isn't it.
But it says his brand of football is "perversely watchable". At this point I can only see the watchable part. Think about it. Watchable.
Who the hell is Raj Bains anyway? Maybe Tim nicked his girlfriend or something irrelevant. (BTW, I do not think that Villa should appoint Sherwood in any event.)
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Sherwood is a car crash. Avoid.
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Spurs fan thinks Spurs manager should do better. No change there.
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wankers. I like the cut of Paul Clement's jib but he wouldn't even get out of bed to talk QPR, so probably a long shot.
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Sherwood is a car crash. Avoid.
Indeed
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From The Daily Heil
Remi Garde, who interested Newcastle, is also free after leaving Lyon and would likely come with a good recommendation from Arsene Wenger to Fox, the two being former Arsenal colleagues.
Another interesting candidate from abroad would be Thomas Tuchel, who left Mainz last summer against their wishes having led a sustained period of success at the German club.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2950742/Aston-Villa-begin-hunt-new-manager-Randy-Lerner-wants-make-swift-impact-underachieving-squad.html#ixzz3RXoCkwYE
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A very interesting read on Remi Garde here:
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/why-arsene-wengers-protege-would-be-perfect-man-rejuvenate-newcastle
My only doubt is could he keep us up. The rest sounds wonderful but we have a major problem to solve before we can consider rebuilding.
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The players need a new fresh approach. A new voice in the room they can respect. For me someone like Sherwood can have a negative effect because players talk and they will quickly recall how he acted towards the end of his time at Spurs. Tghey can also react positively to coaches with growing reputations like Garde or De Boer. Innovative coaching approach, new tactics etc. We need to think long term as much as the short term is critical. It might be different if the situation was a lot worse, but we still have time to not only address things this season but put in place a structure to serve us next season and beyond.
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Not sure if he's been mentioned, but there is a small rumour that we are talking to wee Gordon Strachan. apparantly this would be only till end of season.
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hello from Shanhgai - first post again in a couple of years but an avid reader of H&V and used to buy it outside the ground (in case you think who the F am I cos this is my first post etc etc, well IMO 'The Holte's Last Stand' edition of Heroes and Villains was great for all to read for who was there of course e.g Villa 2 Cov 0 1992. Chelsea on the pitch 1991 anyone?
anyway with regards the manager i read that someone suggested Frank Rikaard. Correct me if i am wrong but he actually phone called ASTON VILLA and said he wanted the job a few years ago. About a year later he ends up managing Barcelona. These days you gotta say Laudrup fits the ethos. That would be an inspired move and a few have suggested him with Laursen. imHO pardon for the opinion dogma, go for a villa man and yes i do agree - bring back BFR - he played it the way it should be played and lets face it we all hark back to them days. Pardon the waffle but i couldnt help noticing PAT MURPHY says he believes we will stay up with a modern coach? Whatever is clever but a Villa man is what is needed now.
oh and H&V its great to be back posting. I know Pat McMahon (blarney stone for Villa games) and think Dave Woodhall is a smart analyst when it comes to off the cuff comments.
and i have not felt as good about a manegerial change since the 1987 headline on the back page of the Sun "Villa axe Turner"
now lets get a Villa boy in lets show some Villa style and lets become THE VILLA again! UTV
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Not sure if he's been mentioned, but there is a small rumour that we are talking to wee Gordon Strachan. apparantly this would be only till end of season.
I don't want him but why would he risk it when he is doing a decent job with Scotland?
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We need someone to turn us round fast and give a player a massive lift new methods and hope and desire for next 13 games then reboot the club.
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A very interesting read on Remi Garde here:
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/why-arsene-wengers-protege-would-be-perfect-man-rejuvenate-newcastle
My only doubt is could he keep us up. The rest sounds wonderful but we have a major problem to solve before we can consider rebuilding.
He sounds a very interesting character. Someone with new philosophies would be really exciting.
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We need some new thinking and not to go for the Norm, Remi garde, now your talking
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Not sure if he's been mentioned, but there is a small rumour that we are talking to wee Gordon Strachan. apparantly this would be only till end of season.
That would be the most unwelcome hattrick in the history of football.
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I like the Wenger link with Garde and Fox knowing Wenger well will likely seek his counsel. It would be an interesting development if he came into the picture.
Off course if Wenger does have some influence on Garde joining us I hope Randy isn't made aware of the letter of recommendation.
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Does anyone have any idea as to whether Premier League experience is a requirement this time?
It appeared not to be last time though, IIRC, was in the previous 2 appointments.
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I dislike Sherwood intensely.
He has done nothing to really justify being front runner
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It wouldn't surprise me if somebody like Southgate was brought in as a number 2 at least until the end of the season. It would also fit with going for Garde who probably wouldn't have his backroom staff available immediately.
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I can't help thinking that 12 months ago Fulham supporters were getting excited about the arrival of their new continental coach.......Felix Magath
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I can't help thinking that 12 months ago Fulham supporters were getting excited about the arrival of their new continental coach.......Felix Magath
He was a loon and known for it.
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come on - is anyone really inspired by the thought of Remi Gard managing Aston Villa? No connection with the club and barely any connection with the Premier League (stattos yes I know he did well / ok / won with the arsenal so dont shoot me down).
in simple footballing terms circa 2015: w t f is Remi Garde? and so on
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Sir Alex on a short 3 month contract for the following reasons:
- he always spoke very highly of us
- he for sure would get the players 'motivated'
- he owes us for the McLeish recommendation
- most importantly of all, it would piss the Mancs off no end and go somewhat to making up for 92-93.
Can I visit your planet at some point?
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Sherwood is now 1-2 with Paddy Power
I am hoping this is because they sucked in a load of mug punters throwing good money after bad as he missed out on QPR job, and not because he is an apparent shoo in.
Question you need to ask is can you lay him at 2-1, if not you don't have a perfect market.
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Has anyone suggested the Chuckle Brothers yet ? I'm sure their summer season contract could be broken and they could get us playing the 'to you to me style'
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tell ya wot i rad to be worth remembering is that two legends who wanted the Villa job in the last ten years were Rikaard and Maradona...cant argue with that (unless feeling was at the time that we were excellent)
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Not sure if he's been mentioned, but there is a small rumour that we are talking to wee Gordon Strachan. apparantly this would be only till end of season.
I hope that is just a rumour. I think we have done the Scottish manager thing to death at this stage. Tim Sherwood would be another huge gamble, we have gambled enough and keep loosing. An established experienced name until the end of the season, maybe Arry, at least he knows the basics of football, he'd get us safe. Give ourselves a bit of breathing space and then see who's available to us in the summer.
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Not sure if he's been mentioned, but there is a small rumour that we are talking to wee Gordon Strachan. apparantly this would be only till end of season.
I hope that is just a rumour. I think we have done the Scottish manager thing to death at this stage. Tim Sherwood would be another huge gamble, we have gambled enough and keep loosing. An established experienced name until the end of the season, maybe Arry, at least he knows the basics of football, he'd get us safe. Give ourselves a bit of breathing space and then see who's available to us in the summer.
I think we have done the British/Irish thing to death as well tbh.
With high quality foreign managers available I really hope the club goes overseas.
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Strachan - no. Harry Redknapp? do me a favour the guy does not like Aston Villa, he is of the Rodney Marsh school. The board keep it close to their chest and I imagine a wow factor appointment coming up. Jurgen K or someone of that ilk. Remi Garde? do me a favour!
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It wouldn't surprise me if somebody like Southgate was brought in as a number 2 at least until the end of the season. It would also fit with going for Garde who probably have his backroom staff available immediately.
I think that RG's backroom team are still under contract with Lyon, which was one of the problems with the offer from Newcastle
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I dislike Sherwood intensely.
He has done nothing to really justify being front runner
I also dislike Tim Sherwood because he looks like Max Farnham of Brookside fame.
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It wouldn't surprise me if somebody like Southgate was brought in as a number 2 at least until the end of the season. It would also fit with going for Garde who probably wouldn't have his backroom staff available immediately.
I think that RG's backroom team are still under contract with Lyon, which was one of the problems with the offer from Newcastle
Yup. Sorry, I missed a word out in my original post.
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Remi Garde? do me a favour!
Why?
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tell ya wot i rad to be worth remembering is that two legends who wanted the Villa job in the last ten years were Rikaard and Maradona...cant argue with that (unless feeling was at the time that we were excellent)
are you able to translate this for us into English?
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I dislike Sherwood intensely.
He has done nothing to really justify being front runner
I also dislike Tim Sherwood because he looks like Max Farnham of Brookside fame.
actually i met stephen pinder at crewe railway station once in 2007 he was most upset when someone said "you are that guy from emmerdale" . agree he looked like tim sherwood then though
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tell ya wot i rad to be worth remembering is that two legends who wanted the Villa job in the last ten years were Rikaard and Maradona...cant argue with that (unless feeling was at the time that we were excellent)
are you able to translate this for us into English?
They both said they wanted the Villa job (well Maradona did anyway). I think Zhong meant that maybe they wouldn't want the job now because we are not in such a good position as we were back then.
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tell ya wot i rad to be worth remembering is that two legends who wanted the Villa job in the last ten years were Rikaard and Maradona...cant argue with that (unless feeling was at the time that we were excellent)
are you able to translate this for us into English?
pardon me Toronto Villa (UTV) I am english born in Brum. what i meant to say if you did not fully realise that in the last ten years Frank Rikjaard and Diego Maradona publically expressed interest in the Villa job. Considering Villa is still the fourth most successful club in British football what i also meant was unless the lambet liwo ne (thought we were excellent) was not coined by him, why would these two people have been entertained for the job?
ask yourself this if the likes or spurs or man city appointed rikjaard or maradona its a media wank fest.
btw have you ever stood in the holte? the left side? the cage?
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hello from Shanhgai - first post again in a couple of years but an avid reader of H&V and used to buy it outside the ground (in case you think who the F am I cos this is my first post etc etc, well IMO 'The Holte's Last Stand' edition of Heroes and Villains was great for all to read for who was there of course e.g Villa 2 Cov 0 1992. Chelsea on the pitch 1991 anyone?
anyway with regards the manager i read that someone suggested Frank Rikaard. Correct me if i am wrong but he actually phone called ASTON VILLA and said he wanted the job a few years ago. About a year later he ends up managing Barcelona. These days you gotta say Laudrup fits the ethos. That would be an inspired move and a few have suggested him with Laursen. imHO pardon for the opinion dogma, go for a villa man and yes i do agree - bring back BFR - he played it the way it should be played and lets face it we all hark back to them days. Pardon the waffle but i couldnt help noticing PAT MURPHY says he believes we will stay up with a modern coach? Whatever is clever but a Villa man is what is needed now.
oh and H&V its great to be back posting. I know Pat McMahon (blarney stone for Villa games) and think Dave Woodhall is a smart analyst when it comes to off the cuff comments.
and i have not felt as good about a manegerial change since the 1987 headline on the back page of the Sun "Villa axe Turner"
now lets get a Villa boy in lets show some Villa style and lets become THE VILLA again! UTV
Good post, interesting abour Rijkaard I didn't know that. Whoever we get in, it will be exciting and most importantly if we stay up it could be the start of an exciting era if Randy sells up or starts really investing in football.
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tell ya wot i rad to be worth remembering is that two legends who wanted the Villa job in the last ten years were Rikaard and Maradona...cant argue with that (unless feeling was at the time that we were excellent)
are you able to translate this for us into English?
They both said they wanted the Villa job (well Maradona did anyway). I think Zhong meant that maybe they wouldn't want the job now because we are not in such a good position as we were back then.
okok ciggies and beer and toronto villain - we all here for same cause. i read ciggies and beer after i pressed "post". toronto villa - Up the Villa!!!
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Has anyone suggested the Chuckle Brothers yet ? I'm sure their summer season contract could be broken and they could get us playing the 'to you to me style'
we have already had them
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Rijkaard hasn't worked in club management for almost four and a half years since he got sacked at Gala.
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tell ya wot i rad to be worth remembering is that two legends who wanted the Villa job in the last ten years were Rikaard and Maradona...cant argue with that (unless feeling was at the time that we were excellent)
are you able to translate this for us into English?
pardon me Toronto Villa (UTV) I am english born in Brum. what i meant to say if you did not fully realise that in the last ten years Frank Rikjaard and Diego Maradona publically expressed interest in the Villa job. Considering Villa is still the fourth most successful club in British football what i also meant was unless the lambet liwo ne (thought we were excellent) was not coined by him, why would these two people have been entertained for the job?
ask yourself this if the likes or spurs or man city appointed rikjaard or maradona its a media wank fest.
btw have you ever stood in the holte? the left side? the cage?
sorry, I was lightly "taking the piss" as you funny Brits say on television with your " tell ya wot.." opener.
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tell ya wot i rad to be worth remembering is that two legends who wanted the Villa job in the last ten years were Rikaard and Maradona...cant argue with that (unless feeling was at the time that we were excellent)
are you able to translate this for us into English?
tell pardon me Toronto Villa (UTV) I am english born in Brum. what i meant to say if you did not fully realise that in the last ten years Frank Rikjaard and Diego Maradona publically expressed interest in the Villa job. Considering Villa is still the fourth most successful club in British football what i also meant was unless the lambet liwo ne (thought we were excellent) was not coined by him, why would these two people have been entertained for the job?
ask yourself this if the likes or spurs or man city appointed rikjaard or maradona its a media wank fest.
btw have you ever stood in the holte? the left side? the cage?
sorry, I was lightly "taking the piss" as you funny Brits say on television with your " tell ya wot.." opener.
tell you wot - Mark Lawrenson coined that one! and not easy to beat - just ask Robert di Nero
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tell ya wot i rad to be worth remembering is that two legends who wanted the Villa job in the last ten years were Rikaard and Maradona...cant argue with that (unless feeling was at the time that we were excellent)
are you able to translate this for us into English?
tell pardon me Toronto Villa (UTV) I am english born in Brum. what i meant to say if you did not fully realise that in the last ten years Frank Rikjaard and Diego Maradona publically expressed interest in the Villa job. Considering Villa is still the fourth most successful club in British football what i also meant was unless the lambet liwo ne (thought we were excellent) was not coined by him, why would these two people have been entertained for the job?
ask yourself this if the likes or spurs or man city appointed rikjaard or maradona its a media wank fest.
btw have you ever stood in the holte? the left side? the cage?
sorry, I was lightly "taking the piss" as you funny Brits say on television with your " tell ya wot.." opener.
tell you wot - Mark Lawrenson coined that one! and not easy to beat - just ask Robert di Nero
who's Mark Lawrenson?
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Well QPR have just confirmed that Chris Ramsey will be in charge for the rest of the season. Wonder if that "dream manager" that Fernandes had lined-up has opted for Villa instead...?!
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who's Mark Lawrenson?
ask Peter Reid.
Sherwood never in, Warburton never in, Howe never in a milion years in, Warnock - good value but never in
Jurgen Klinsmen IN!
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Sherwood is the type of manager I expect to see at the Baggies. He's certainly their level.
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Well QPR have just confirmed that Chris Ramsey will be in charge for the rest of the season. Wonder if that "dream manager" that Fernandes had lined-up has opted for Villa instead...?!
Perhaps he was dreaming of Chris Ramsey, like one of those strange dreams where you go to work with no shoes on.
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Fernandes did indicate the "dream manager" wouldn't be done straight away, a few things left to sort... or something along those lines. So, maybe it's someone who is already employed? Or, hopefully his choice has snubbed them in preference for Villa.
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Not sure if he's been mentioned, but there is a small rumour that we are talking to wee Gordon Strachan. apparantly this would be only till end of season.
I think he is a good manager. He has the experience I think that is needed right now and would be a good short term option
Better than Sherwood which scares me to death
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Well QPR have just confirmed that Chris Ramsey will be in charge for the rest of the season. Wonder if that "dream manager" that Fernandes had lined-up has opted for Villa instead...?!
tell you what someone said "fucking get in" on the the night lamberk went (one of the best nights of the 21at century BTW). So if this QPR managerial appointment is true well i second that emotion. GET IN!
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If we are going to start properly competing in the division from next summer forward, I think Rafa Benitez will be interested.
Of the decent candidates currently employed, he is the only one I can see jumping ship now.
He has stalled on his new contract at Napoli as have some of his top players, so less compo for us to pay.
They are on a great run at the moment but too far behind Juve really to get back in the title race.
It wasnt too long ago that Benitez was in trouble with their early CL exit.
In terms of timing, Benitez stock is a good bit higher now than maybe it deserves to be and he definitely wants to come back nearer his family in Liverpool.
The only other gig that seems to be available next summer is Newcastle where he wont get the control or money he craves.
I think he will be interested in Villa and if so is worth getting in now.
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I have to suggest Neil Warnock has a better bet for short term option. Like a lottery win for the man. Respectful of clubs history. But of course if goals are the agenda .... We all want Keegan . love it !
But asides from Warnock others would cost or are less experienced. The question is do fans want someone who knows villa and has that connection or a tried manager or a calculated gamble ...?
Warnock? Fuck me. Your track record of players and managerial suggestions truly is horrific. Warnock is tried and proven utterly shit manager at the PL level.
At the moment we are *still* a bloody nice ship without a rudder. If we appoint Neil Warnock it is the admission of defeat by the club that we are now a 2nd tier, Championship/'Staying Up' side. It just cannot happen!
Hi there please read my post as intended . Warnock as a short term To end of season. Nothing more. Duly noted
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good post and i think it is fair to assume Rafa would have took the job apart from no proper dough to spend. u gotta say that his europa league win was a miracle considering and if a premier team is gettin about a billion quid a season...entice the guy! he knows how to fucking win.
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If we are going to start properly competing in the division from next summer forward, I think Rafa Benitez will be interested.
Of the decent candidates currently employed, he is the only one I can see jumping ship now.
He has stalled on his new contract at Napoli as have some of his top players, so less compo for us to pay.
They are on a great run at the moment but too far behind Juve really to get back in the title race.
It wasnt too long ago that Benitez was in trouble with their early CL exit.
In terms of timing, Benitez stock is a good bit higher now than maybe it deserves to be and he definitely wants to come back nearer his family in Liverpool.
The only other gig that seems to be available next summer is Newcastle where he wont get the control or money he craves.
I think he will be interested in Villa and if so is worth getting in now.
Would be great but there was a rumour he kicked us back last time after Lerner revealed his spending "vision" for the club.
If he DID come it would signal we will be spending some money , which would be nice.
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good post and i think it is fair to assume Rafa would have took the job apart from no proper dough to spend. u gotta say that his europa league win was a miracle considering and if a premier team is gettin about a billion quid a season...entice the guy! he knows how to fucking win.
but i still say a Villa boy is needed.
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The fact that he has stated that he admires the club and that he has a superb managerial record it must surely be Pandrelli
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Not sure we'd be able to tempt David into management. Ricardo is out of work so could be a possibility.
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If we are going to start properly competing in the division from next summer forward, I think Rafa Benitez will be interested.
Of the decent candidates currently employed, he is the only one I can see jumping ship now.
He has stalled on his new contract at Napoli as have some of his top players, so less compo for us to pay.
They are on a great run at the moment but too far behind Juve really to get back in the title race.
It wasnt too long ago that Benitez was in trouble with their early CL exit.
In terms of timing, Benitez stock is a good bit higher now than maybe it deserves to be and he definitely wants to come back nearer his family in Liverpool.
The only other gig that seems to be available next summer is Newcastle where he wont get the control or money he craves.
I think he will be interested in Villa and if so is worth getting in now.
Would be great but there was a rumour he kicked us back last time after Lerner revealed his spending "vision" for the club.
If he DID come it would signal we will be spending some money , which would be nice.
totally. Rafa would signify a new era or change if you like. a statement that Villa actually want to win trophies. That has been missing for so long and the Carling Cup was a masquerade. A proper Villa team of old would have walked it. we get there we win (2000 FACF not included cos goal keeper dropped the ball on goal line)
anyway Rafa - yes
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If we are going to start properly competing in the division from next summer forward, I think Rafa Benitez will be interested.
Of the decent candidates currently employed, he is the only one I can see jumping ship now.
He has stalled on his new contract at Napoli as have some of his top players, so less compo for us to pay.
They are on a great run at the moment but too far behind Juve really to get back in the title race.
It wasnt too long ago that Benitez was in trouble with their early CL exit.
In terms of timing, Benitez stock is a good bit higher now than maybe it deserves to be and he definitely wants to come back nearer his family in Liverpool.
The only other gig that seems to be available next summer is Newcastle where he wont get the control or money he craves.
I think he will be interested in Villa and if so is worth getting in now.
im with you, but he was asked before i think, and wanted a war chest of £40 million,
lets see how interested in us Randy is?
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Not sure if he's been mentioned, but there is a small rumour that we are talking to wee Gordon Strachan. apparantly this would be only till end of season.
I think he is a good manager. He has the experience I think that is needed right now and would be a good short term option
Better than Sherwood which scares me to death
He wouldn't be perfect but I'd take him for six months and then a proper manager in the summer over Sherwood any day.
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Strachan over sherwood yes but only on a short term basis.
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If we are going to start properly competing in the division from next summer forward, I think Rafa Benitez will be interested.
Of the decent candidates currently employed, he is the only one I can see jumping ship now.
He has stalled on his new contract at Napoli as have some of his top players, so less compo for us to pay.
They are on a great run at the moment but too far behind Juve really to get back in the title race.
It wasnt too long ago that Benitez was in trouble with their early CL exit.
In terms of timing, Benitez stock is a good bit higher now than maybe it deserves to be and he definitely wants to come back nearer his family in Liverpool.
The only other gig that seems to be available next summer is Newcastle where he wont get the control or money he craves.
I think he will be interested in Villa and if so is worth getting in now.
With due respect the situation and the likely hood to entice your suggestion is seriously non starter
I'm sorry but Rafaz is settled in Italy with a squad of players including Higuain , Callejon, Hamsik, Inker, Michu, Zuniga , Albiol and being third in league , and in Europa league as well as Italia cup semis v Lazio coming up he won't be leaving. Granted I respect your wish but I can say he's not one that will be coming for 13 cup finals - despite being a great cup manager.
Similar Tim Sherwood is thought to be Roy Keane esqe in his approach and wouldnt be considered as an outright .
Warnock only muted as a sensible suggestion to the situation Villa findthemselves in. its far more likely a consideration than Rafa benitez or even David Moyes... For now.
Remember the feeling McLaren wasn't wanted. Remember to that solskjaer and Martinez both at far smaller clubs weren't ineterested. fair play to Lambert who gave it a go. Its right to move on but chaps let's have a sense of perspective to the situation . cheers utv
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Depends on Rafa's memory is after the Usted un camarero gordo Espanol chants
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I would give it to McAllister, for the rest if the season ,knows the setup note of caution lots of us wanted Lambert!!!
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Strachan over sherwood yes but only on a short term basis.
I doubt he will ever forget his relegation at VP with Cov, he would love to take us down!
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Steve McClaren has ruled himself out but did have a few kind words to say; No doubt who goes in, it is a very good job, a big job and a sleeping giant and someone is going to be very lucky to get that.
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Remember that feeling when MON took over, was mobbed in the Car park of the North Stand and the euphoria, I want that back again or at least something similar. Gordon fucking Strachan is certainly not the manager for us, a great little guy at clubs with tiny expectations, his Premier league record is crap.
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Rijkaard hasn't worked in club management for almost four and a half years since he got sacked at Gala.
What, he worked at the bingo?!
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Steve McClaren has ruled himself out but did have a few kind words to say; No doubt who goes in, it is a very good job, a big job and a sleeping giant and someone is going to be very lucky to get that.
Decent of him.
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Klinsmann, we are in desperate need of some efficiency up front. There's not a lot of managers out there available, don't fancy many of the other names linked. So we either appoint short term and spend some quality time looking for the right fit, or we take our chances and take what we can get now, the Russian Roulette approach.
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I just cannot see Klinsmann leaving California for Witton or indeed his American wife wanting to. He will probably stick with the US Team until MLS develops enough for him to take a job there.
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I can't agree with Stan on the Allardyce link but I think Moyes would be a great shout......
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I also would go with the McAllister shout for the rest of the season.
I say that as a total ignoramus a perhaps he has a great job some where else and not touch us with a bargepole.
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Houllier as DOF with Gary Mac as head coach with Laursen as assistant would look quite good. Never happen though.
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I also would go with the McAllister shout for the rest of the season.
I say that as a total ignoramus a perhaps he has a great job some where else and not touch us with a bargepole.
I bet with end up with Ally McCoist knowing our chairman and owner!
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Its going to be Neil Lennon isnt it ? ;0
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Houllier as DOF with Gary Mac as head coach with Laursen as assistant would look quite good. Never happen though.
Sounds pretty rubbish to me. Houllier is unwell and out of football. McAllister has never done anything to suggest he's good enough. Laursen has next to no experience. If you're going to appoint someone Assistant Manager, purely on the basis that he used to play for us, then Gordon Cowans would be rightly upset about being overlooked.
I'm not suggesting Cowans should be manager, btw...
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Cowans was assistant and not much use. Laursen could be quite inspiring i would imagine. GMac kept us up before. Houllier is DOF for New York and can spot a player.
Anyway doesnt matter as i am sure it's a done deal, signed and sealed etc already for a bit of Timmy time.
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I think Moyes would be right for us. Got to be worth an approach.
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I have to suggest Neil Warnock has a better bet for short term option. Like a lottery win for the man. Respectful of clubs history. But of course if goals are the agenda .... We all want Keegan . love it !
But asides from Warnock others would cost or are less experienced. The question is do fans want someone who knows villa and has that connection or a tried manager or a calculated gamble ...?
Half hols early in your part of the world?
I'm learning everyday. But Warnock has enthusiasm and experience he ll appreciate the task at hand and is a football man. He ll require the boys to give a good go. Just saying. Cheers
Jose Altidore as Player Manager, with Jason Scotland coaching the forwards.
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Rijkaard hasn't worked in club management for almost four and a half years since he got sacked at Gala.
What, he worked at the bingo?!
Thats made me laugh far more than it really should have.
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Cowans was assistant and not much use. Laursen could be quite inspiring i would imagine. GMac kept us up before. Houllier is DOF for New York and can spot a player.
Anyway doesnt matter as i am sure it's a done deal, signed and sealed etc already for a bit of Timmy time.
McAllister took over when we were tenth and took us up to ninth. He did finish the season well but we'd only dropped back into relegation contention due to the dismal results during the early part of his reign. He's never done anything since. MehCallister.
I'd imagine there are plenty of managers with far greater credentials than Laursen who could be a bit inspiring.
Plenty of people half Houllier's age and who wouldn't say something bloody stupid every time they opened their mouth could spot a player.
You're probably right about Sherwood though, a bit uninspiring.
Come on Tim!
*Pumps fist*
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Cowans was assistant and not much use. Laursen could be quite inspiring i would imagine. GMac kept us up before. Houllier is DOF for New York and can spot a player.
Anyway doesnt matter as i am sure it's a done deal, signed and sealed etc already for a bit of Timmy time.
I didn't know Houllier was DOF for New York. Gary McAllister spoke very highly of us as a club last night. Not that I particularly want him back.
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If we are going to start properly competing in the division from next summer forward, I think Rafa Benitez will be interested.
Of the decent candidates currently employed, he is the only one I can see jumping ship now.
He has stalled on his new contract at Napoli as have some of his top players, so less compo for us to pay.
They are on a great run at the moment but too far behind Juve really to get back in the title race.
It wasnt too long ago that Benitez was in trouble with their early CL exit.
In terms of timing, Benitez stock is a good bit higher now than maybe it deserves to be and he definitely wants to come back nearer his family in Liverpool.
The only other gig that seems to be available next summer is Newcastle where he wont get the control or money he craves.
I think he will be interested in Villa and if so is worth getting in now.
With due respect the situation and the likely hood to entice your suggestion is seriously non starter
I'm sorry but Rafaz is settled in Italy with a squad of players including Higuain , Callejon, Hamsik, Inker, Michu, Zuniga , Albiol and being third in league , and in Europa league as well as Italia cup semis v Lazio coming up he won't be leaving. Granted I respect your wish but I can say he's not one that will be coming for 13 cup finals - despite being a great cup manager.
Similar Tim Sherwood is thought to be Roy Keane esqe in his approach and wouldnt be considered as an outright .
Warnock only muted as a sensible suggestion to the situation Villa findthemselves in. its far more likely a consideration than Rafa benitez or even David Moyes... For now.
Remember the feeling McLaren wasn't wanted. Remember to that Solskjĉr and Martinez both at far smaller clubs weren't ineterested. fair play to Lambert who gave it a go. Its right to move on but chaps let's have a sense of perspective to the situation . cheers utv
I'm not so sure he is that settled in Italy. Don't his wife and kids still live just outside Liverpool? He was also coming in for some stick not so long ago at Napoli. He'd jump at the chance to manage in the Prem as long as he had a decent transfer kitty and had total control over transfers and staff. So not much chance of him coming to Villa then.
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There is a small chance Benitez would come. His family home is still in Liverpool as you say and I think he knows he isn't likely to be on the radar of somebody like Man City in this country.
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Sir Brian was on R5 Live today and without throwing his hat in the ring, said he would do anything to help the club if asked.
Villa are in my blood he said. A true legend.
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idiot on TS saying warnock .
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idiot on TS saying warnock .
Some real idiots out there
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idiot on TS saying warnock .
Wasn't Footyskillz was it?
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idiot on TS saying warnock .
Some real idiots out there
We really need to raise the bar with this appointment and show these idiots how big a job it is as manager of Aston Villa. Anybody would think we pay peanuts instead of one of the best paid jobs outside the top 4 and European giants.
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Reading this thread since yesterday; my feelings have gone from despair (Sherwood) to excitement (Klinnsman, Benitez, Garde) etc but, the truth is, none of us really know and won't until he's announced. Won't stop us speculating though will it?
Proper wet blanket me.
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Pat Murphy is on 5live at 7 discussing the possibilities apparently.
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Houllier as DOF with Gary Mac as head coach with Laursen as assistant would look quite good. Never happen though.
Sounds pretty rubbish to me. Houllier is unwell and out of football.
No he's not. He's Head of Football Operations (or some such title) for Red Bull, overseeing New York, Salzburg, Leipzig and whichever other clubs they've picked up recently. Been doing it since the summer after he left us.
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Pat Murphy is on 5live at 7 discussing the possibilities apparently.
Does he ever really know anything?
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I quite like Pat Murphy, he always seems to know more than most of the goings on at Villa Park. Not like some reporters who report what they have read elsewhere.
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idiot on TS saying warnock .
Wasn't Footyskillz was it?
was his dad
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Pat Murphy is on 5live at 7 discussing the possibilities apparently.
Loved his incisive comments that Villa may appoint someone short-term...or someone long-term...then frightened the shite out of me by mentioning Hoddle...again!
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idiot on TS saying warnock .
Wasn't Footyskillz was it?
was his dad
Warnock's dad?
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Houllier as DOF with Gary Mac as head coach with Laursen as assistant would look quite good. Never happen though.
Sounds pretty rubbish to me. Houllier is unwell and out of football.
No he's not. He's Head of Football Operations (or some such title) for Red Bull, overseeing New York, Salzburg, Leipzig and whichever other clubs they've picked up recently. Been doing it since the summer after he left us.
Ah ok. So pretty much no chance of him joining distinctly non-Red Bull Villa then?
I doubt he'd find the time to have a job at Villa, he's obviously a busy man. Still, I suppose he has lots of freebies so he won't need much sleep...
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Pat Murphy is on 5live at 7 discussing the possibilities apparently.
Loved his incisive comments that Villa may appoint someone short-term...or someone long-term...then frightened the shite out of me by mentioning Hoddle...again!
Anyone who thinks Hoddle would be a good appointment deserves to suffer in their next life.
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Sherwood had a 59% win ratio down Spurs? He can be the biggest tw+t of them all if he manages to get that ratio here.
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Houllier as DOF with Gary Mac as head coach with Laursen as assistant would look quite good. Never happen though.
Sounds pretty rubbish to me. Houllier is unwell and out of football.
No he's not. He's Head of Football Operations (or some such title) for Red Bull, overseeing New York, Salzburg, Leipzig and whichever other clubs they've picked up recently. Been doing it since the summer after he left us.
Ah ok. So pretty much no chance of him joining distinctly non-Red Bull Villa then?
Absolutely none at all.
I imagine that it's the sort of eye-wateringly well paid, cushy, connections-based job that anybody would be silly to leave. Let alone for the prospect of six more months at the Villa.
Although I wonder if there's anything new about Red Bull in the takeover thread...
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Pat Murphy is on 5live at 7 discussing the possibilities apparently.
Does he ever really know anything?
You don't have to listen to it, might be interesting though.
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laursen just said it couldnt get any worse could it ( about lambert sacking ) ;)
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They've also interviewed Martin Laursen.
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I quite like Pat Murphy, he always seems to know more than most of the goings on at Villa Park. Not like some reporters who report what they have read elsewhere.
To be honest, he seems more enthusiastic when covering cricket these days.
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They've also interviewed Martin Laursen.
Yikes.
We've turned into Newcastle.
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lerner just spoke
wishes lambert best
shame it took you so long randy
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Randy's made a statement thanking Lambert.
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Randy's made a statement thanking Lambert.
what for
the amount of goals
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They've also interviewed Martin Laursen.
Yikes.
We've turned into Newcastle.
To be fair, I think he has his UEFA Pro-Licence which makes him more qualified for the job than Tim Sherwood.
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They've also interviewed Martin Laursen.
Yikes.
We've turned into Newcastle.
To be fair, I think he has his UEFA Pro-Licence which makes him more qualified for the job than Tim Sherwood.
I'm more qualified than Tim Sherwood.
I was brilliant on Championship Manager 2.
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laursen be great as right hand man with a manager
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They've also interviewed Martin Laursen.
Yikes.
We've turned into Newcastle.
Haha!
Ok, for clarity, I meant 5Live had interviewed Martin Laursen :P
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I love laursen
its a honour to play for villa and the players wasnt giving nothing
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Laursen has just got it right by saying, " the players have to realise that playing for Aston Villa is an honour".
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They've also interviewed Martin Laursen.
Yikes.
We've turned into Newcastle.
Haha!
Ok, for clarity, I meant 5Live had interviewed Martin Laursen :P
Bastard! I'm glad I made you suffer the Chelsea game now!
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Laursen has just got it right by saying, " the players have to realise that playing for Aston Villa is an honour".
and gabby the fucking captain tut tut
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he wants to come back to villa
that would be a dream
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Sherwood had a 59% win ratio down Spurs? He can be the biggest tw+t of them all if he manages to get that ratio here.
He had a better squad of players to work with at Spurs and he knew them all. I couldn't see him doing that well with our squad, but if he could revitalise Benteke like he did Adebeyor then that would be a big step towards keeping us up.
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Interesting what Laursen said about us having too many young defenders at this level. Makes sense to me so let's get Vlaar and Senderos back in now please (in the unlikely event they are ever both fit at the same time).
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Pat Murphy is on 5live at 7 discussing the possibilities apparently.
Does he ever really know anything?
He seems to "understand" quite a lot.
Whenever he talks about Villa, he usually gets to include a moan about how Randy Lerner won't grant him an audience, so often appears to have a sour tone about us generally.
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If we are going to start properly competing in the division from next summer forward, I think Rafa Benitez will be interested.
Of the decent candidates currently employed, he is the only one I can see jumping ship now.
He has stalled on his new contract at Napoli as have some of his top players, so less compo for us to pay.
They are on a great run at the moment but too far behind Juve really to get back in the title race.
It wasnt too long ago that Benitez was in trouble with their early CL exit.
In terms of timing, Benitez stock is a good bit higher now than maybe it deserves to be and he definitely wants to come back nearer his family in Liverpool.
The only other gig that seems to be available next summer is Newcastle where he wont get the control or money he craves.
I think he will be interested in Villa and if so is worth getting in now.
I think people are off there rocker if they think Benitez would come here under our budget.
And please no more managers from North of the border unless old whisky face fancy's taking pity on us for the next six months.
Personally, I would like to see Cesare Prandelli.
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So you think Benitez is unrealistic so plump for Prandelli?!!
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Sherwood had a 59% win ratio down Spurs? He can be the biggest tw+t of them all if he manages to get that ratio here.
Some bright spark on VT pointed out that, given how few games he actually managed, if you turn just three wins into draws that win percentage goes down by 12% or something (someone mathematically literate check this, as I have no idea). His loss percentage was also high, at 37%.
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So you think Benitez is unrealistic so plump for Prandelli?!!
Could be argued that one is in work and the other isn't.
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Interesting what Laursen said about us having too many young defenders at this level. Makes sense to me so let's get Vlaar and Senderos back in now please (in the unlikely event they are ever both fit at the same time).
The defence isn't the problem, and they never are fit at the same time. Better to have a settled pairing at the back than keep chopping and changing every time Ron fancies a game.
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Should try and tempt slaven bilic.
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So you think Benitez is unrealistic so plump for Prandelli?!!
He's out of work, so why not?
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Interesting what Laursen said about us having too many young defenders at this level. Makes sense to me so let's get Vlaar and Senderos back in now please (in the unlikely event they are ever both fit at the same time).
The defence isn't the problem, and they never are fit at the same time. Better to have a settled pairing at the back than keep chopping and changing every time Ron fancies a game.
We all know where the clear problem is, that's obvious but in games when we have the majority of possession and never look like scoring we do seem to let the opposition score too easily. We are crap all over the pitch tbh!
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I quite like Pat Murphy, he always seems to know more than most of the goings on at Villa Park. Not like some reporters who report what they have read elsewhere.
To be honest, he seems more enthusiastic when covering cricket these days.
To be really honest I'd be more enthusiastic about cricket than commentating at our football matches. I hate cricket too.
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Sir Brian was on R5 Live today and without throwing his hat in the ring, said he would do anything to help the club if asked.
Villa are in my blood he said. A true legend.
Not quite. he said he would be interested if the club were to call him and ask for any advice but that no-one had. He didn't say he wanted, or expected to be asked, to manage in any capacity.
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Interesting what Laursen said about us having too many young defenders at this level. Makes sense to me so let's get Vlaar and Senderos back in now please (in the unlikely event they are ever both fit at the same time).
The defence isn't the problem, and they never are fit at the same time. Better to have a settled pairing at the back than keep chopping and changing every time Ron fancies a game.
A guy at the last game sat next to me said he had been on a stadium tour a few days before and the guide told and showed them about 2 fitness bikes in the villa shower areas as 2current players had to arrive 30 mins before rest of squad to warm up as they were so unfit !! Wonder who they were ?
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One of Randy's biggest failings is ignoring the wider Villa family. There are a lot of prominent ex-players and managers who love the club and are hurting right now because of recent events. Fox, if not Randy would be well served to have some conversations with some of them about his next, very critical steps.
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Sir Brian has a nice life with his roles in Jersey and Eire plus his media work. I doubt he's going to want to swap all that to take the villa job now . Maybe he could act as a consultant type though.
I really have no idea who the club will go for .
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No thanks to Sir Brian. I feel people like Brian have been out of the game for too long now. As much as I respect him and loved the first couple of years of his management I feel any move like that wouldn't be a good one, similar to Graham Taylor mk II.
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In fairness Sir Brian said as much and said that it should be for a younger, more modern manager.
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he is right.
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In fairness Sir Brian said as much and said that it should be for a younger, more modern manager.
Sensible .
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Sod it. Lets throw lots of money at Frank Lampard and tell him to sort it out. He can play as well! and talk to the press..La Bleakley can shop at Tescos on the Witton Rd!
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Paul Clement would be nice however we need two pronged approach here. Someone in to do a job to motivate the team to get some results not someone who has the tactical nous but it will take this set of players about 5 or 6 games to learn. That's the person for the summer appointment.
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Terry Venables ?
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Bloke in my local said earlier..."You need an old head in there....'arry, that's who you need to get you out of the mess. Then you should have whatshisname...the other Spurs bloke, the one who used to play for 'em. Dead good he was."
"Sherwood?"
"That's him. Brilliant he is."
He's a Spurs fan.
Lives on another planet, obviously.
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I would break the bank and go for Eddie Howe. Money speaks all languages.
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Terry Venables ?
Thought I had strayed to celebrity deathwatch thread then
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I'm going to make myself unpopular with many of you, but it has to be said.
We, as fans, are not good judges of who should be appointed manager, so the club should ignore us completely and crack on with appointing the right man for the job. I say this because we previously turned our noses up at Steve McLaren so they looked elsewhere - he would have been a good appointment in hindsight. We shouted about Paul Lambert and then went into a delirious frenzy when he was appointed, only for it to be a massive disappointment.
Many of us, on this site, turned our noses up at Martinez, Rodgers and Benitez in the past. I remember reading the posts and being quite amazed at our arrogance. What would we give for those guys now?
Our job is to support the new manager and the team, because they need us now more than ever. And we need them to perform.
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I would break the bank and go for Eddie Howe. Money speaks all languages.
He's Bournemouth through and through. Didn't like it up North. Plus, he's still relatively unproven. We need someone that's been there and done it.
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I would break the bank and go for Eddie Howe. Money speaks all languages.
The managerial graveyard at Villa park doesn't seem to do much for a manager's long term earning potential.
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I would break the bank and go for Eddie Howe. Money speaks all languages.
He's Bournemouth through and through. Didn't like it up North. Plus, he's still relatively unproven. We need someone that's been there and done it.
And he has already got a zero win percentage at Villa Park this season (worse than Lambert)
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I would break the bank and go for Eddie Howe. Money speaks all languages.
I don't think I could take being turned down by the pissing Bournemouth manager, and we would be turned down.
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Someone mentioned his name on here earlier but I do quite the idea of Slaven Billc. Can't see it happening though.
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Well, for starters we need to stop this ex-Villa shite. All the connected folk are either old, not managers or have no relevant experience. There is no one from the last 40 years of Villa that are qualified to take the job and if they are, they've already had a crack at it and moved on.
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I'm going to make myself unpopular with many of you, but it has to be said.
We, as fans, are not good judges of who should be appointed manager, so the club should ignore us completely and crack on with appointing the right man for the job. I say this because we previously turned our noses up at Steve McLaren so they looked elsewhere - he would have been a good appointment in hindsight. We shouted about Paul Lambert and then went into a delirious frenzy when he was appointed, only for it to be a massive disappointment.
Many of us, on this site, turned our noses up at Martinez, Rodgers and Benitez in the past. I remember reading the posts and being quite amazed at our arrogance. What would we give for those guys now?
Our job is to support the new manager and the team, because they need us now more than ever. And we need them to perform.
Let's close the whole thread down why don't we?
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I'm going to make myself unpopular with many of you, but it has to be said.
We, as fans, are not good judges of who should be appointed manager, so the club should ignore us completely and crack on with appointing the right man for the job. I say this because we previously turned our noses up at Steve McLaren so they looked elsewhere...
Nope. That never happened.
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Someone mentioned his name on here earlier but I do quite the idea of Slaven Billc. Can't see it happening though.
I recently watched him extoll the virtues of Margaret Thatcher for sorting out our hooligan problem.
And a thing like that is enough to put me off someone for life.
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I'm going to make myself unpopular with many of you, but it has to be said.
We, as fans, are not good judges of who should be appointed manager, so the club should ignore us completely and crack on with appointing the right man for the job. I say this because we previously turned our noses up at Steve McLaren so they looked elsewhere - he would have been a good appointment in hindsight. We shouted about Paul Lambert and then went into a delirious frenzy when he was appointed, only for it to be a massive disappointment.
Many of us, on this site, turned our noses up at Martinez, Rodgers and Benitez in the past. I remember reading the posts and being quite amazed at our arrogance. What would we give for those guys now?
Our job is to support the new manager and the team, because they need us now more than ever. And we need them to perform.
Let's close the whole thread down why don't we?
Yep. And while we're at it, we're not as good at playing as the players, so close down all the match threads, transfer threads, player threads, all of them. And heaven forbid we should misjudge a managerial appointment - it's not like the board have ever done that.
As a matter of fact, I liked Martinez and Rodgers and didn't like the Lambert appointment. By the Bellster brand of logic, shouldn't that mean Tom Fox ought to consult me?
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Interesting what Laursen said about us having too many young defenders at this level. Makes sense to me so let's get Vlaar and Senderos back in now please (in the unlikely event they are ever both fit at the same time).
About as likely as us getting Mike Pejic and Ivo Stas fit to play together for the rest of the season.
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I still think Martinez is shit.
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Someone mentioned his name on here earlier but I do quite the idea of Slaven Billc. Can't see it happening though.
Besiktas are top of the Turkish league so unlikely for that alone.
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I'm going to make myself unpopular with many of you, but it has to be said.
We, as fans, are not good judges of who should be appointed manager, so the club should ignore us completely and crack on with appointing the right man for the job. I say this because we previously turned our noses up at Steve McLaren so they looked elsewhere - he would have been a good appointment in hindsight. We shouted about Paul Lambert and then went into a delirious frenzy when he was appointed, only for it to be a massive disappointment.
Many of us, on this site, turned our noses up at Martinez, Rodgers and Benitez in the past. I remember reading the posts and being quite amazed at our arrogance. What would we give for those guys now?
Our job is to support the new manager and the team, because they need us now more than ever. And we need them to perform.
Let's close the whole thread down why don't we?
In fairness there is something in this....it has happened too with Hughes and Allardyce.
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I still think Martinez is shit.
It's playing out that way at Everton. I've never rated him whatsoever . Nor did I want lambert .
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For me it needs to be a name , fairly high profile , someone who will lift and motivate what is quite frankly a half decent squad full of international players .
For me that generates a short list of -
Klinsmann
Rijkaard
Rafa Benitez
De Bouer
& possibly Claudio Ranieri
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Someone mentioned his name on here earlier but I do quite the idea of Slaven Billc. Can't see it happening though.
Following in the footsteps of other great Villa guitarists like Steve Stride and John Gregory.
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We need someone really decent. Sherwood is too inexperienced. I do think he'd motivate and possibly re-invigorate 2-3 out of form players (Gabby? Zogbia?) and would certainly give us attacking intent. I'd fancy him to have us stay up, but in terms of next season I think he'd get sussed very quickly without a tactically astute number 2 helping him, but we could have said the same about Lambert possibly.
The quality is there in our squad. In actuality I think we're blessed with more attacking ability than defensive, so to have scored so few shows how poor Lambert was. If we get someone come in and hit the ground running like Pulis and Pardew have both done respectively, then we've got goals in us.
My first choice to start a genuine revolution here is Klinsmann but would he come at this stage and under Lerner's stewardship? I'm not sure. Sherwood could end up being the best pick of a not very impressive bunch to be honest. I think he'd do enough in the short term though.
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Sherwood's name should not even be being mentioned .
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For me it needs to be a name , fairly high profile , someone who will lift and motivate what is quite frankly a half decent squad full of international players .
For me that generates a short list of -
Klinsmann
Rijkaard
Rafa Benitez
De Bouer
& possibly Claudio Ranieri
I don't know if you did that in order of preference or not but if you did I agree with your top three.
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For me it needs to be a name , fairly high profile , someone who will lift and motivate what is quite frankly a half decent squad full of international players .
For me that generates a short list of -
Klinsmann
Rijkaard
Rafa Benitez
De Bouer
& possibly Claudio Ranieri
I don't know if you did that in order of preference or not but if you did I agree with your top three.
Yes it's done by preference in effect.
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Sherwood's name should not even be being mentioned .
Shhhhhhhhhhhherwood
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One of Randy's biggest failings is ignoring the wider Villa family. There are a lot of prominent ex-players and managers who love the club and are hurting right now because of recent events. Fox, if not Randy would be well served to have some conversations with some of them about his next, very critical steps.
I couldn't disagree more. Footballers and ex-footballers don't tend to be the brightest sparks and, as Peter Withe has already shown, have a tendency to trot out the same old lazy cliches about who should be manager. So you get all that shite about having a connection or affinity with the club, someone the fans know, having a passion for it. It's typical of the closed and narrow thinking within British football mindsets. And it's utter bollocks. We simply need someone who has displayed an ability to motivate players, to apply varying tactics to suit the situation, to sign some good prospects, to make the most of players he's got and to win more games than he loses. Oh and someone who is not incredibly dour and Scottish. It shouldn't matter a jot if he's from another planet and has never heard of Aston Villa. It aint rocket science.
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Sherwood would be a disaster
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Sherwood's name should not even be being mentioned .
Unless it says, Sherwood is out of the running.
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Sherwood's name should not even be being mentioned .
Not really. Under the current regime I wouldn't expect much better sadly. Unless there's the potential for a sale brewing that might tempt a Klinsmann here, akin to when O Neill signed up under Doug, undoubtedly aware a rich American was shortly due to buy the club.
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Sherwood's name should not even be being mentioned .
Not really. Under the current regime I wouldn't expect much better sadly. Unless there's the potential for a sale brewing that might tempt a Klinsmann here, akin to when O Neill signed up under Doug, undoubtedly aware a rich American was shortly due to buy the club.
I think Klinsmann is more a 50/1 shot. Leaving the OC for Birmingham isnt realistic
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I'll be really pissed off if it's Sherwood.
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It is obvious that it should be Neil Warnock. He's a nice chap. And available.
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I can see Randy doing something daft and going for Harry "ouch me old knees giving me jip" Redknapp.
That would rank as more unpopular than McLeish probably.
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Randy has been crap at picking managers so this is a risk. I'd have Redknapp over Warnock, Sherwood or Hoddle though. Can't see it.
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Sherwood had a 59% win ratio down Spurs? He can be the biggest tw+t of them all if he manages to get that ratio here.
Some bright spark on VT pointed out that, given how few games he actually managed, if you turn just three wins into draws that win percentage goes down by 12% or something (someone mathematically literate check this, as I have no idea). His loss percentage was also high, at 37%.
To use the current H&V buzzword that sounds a lot like whataboutery. Okay you may not think much of Sherwood, and neither do I, but in the time he was given at Spurs he basically did pretty well.
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I don't think Randy is picking anyone, Fox is in control these days. I think he sees himself as a Daniel Levy type figure, hence the sacking by phone. Levy went for Sherwood, don't be surprised if Fox does the same.
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No he didn't .
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What's Terry Venables doing?
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What's Terry Venables doing?
Hopefully on an uninhabited island, uncontactable.
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What's Terry Venables doing?
Sat by a pool rearranging his balls
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Lerner has never chosen a manager from a position of strength. Always on the back foot, largely due to his own ineptitude and here we are again.
I really want to see the back of him and the end of this nightmare.
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Thinking about, there is one obvious candidate...Villa man, experience of football, taught Pele how to bicycle kick....
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We need someone really decent. Sherwood is too inexperienced. I do think he'd motivate and possibly re-invigorate 2-3 out of form players (Gabby? Zogbia?) and would certainly give us attacking intent. I'd fancy him to have us stay up, but in terms of next season I think he'd get sussed very quickly without a tactically astute number 2 helping him, but we could have said the same about Lambert possibly.
The quality is there in our squad. In actuality I think we're blessed with more attacking ability than defensive, so to have scored so few shows how poor Lambert was. If we get someone come in and hit the ground running like Pulis and Pardew have both done respectively, then we've got goals in us.
My first choice to start a genuine revolution here is Klinsmann but would he come at this stage and under Lerner's stewardship? I'm not sure. Sherwood could end up being the best pick of a not very impressive bunch to be honest. I think he'd do enough in the short term though.
Some good points there TV. Talking to fellow fans today, now the initial feeling of relief that Lambert has gone is fading, I've got to say I have got increasing concerns about who we are going to be able to get. I fear it is the wrong time of the season and we are in the wrong position in the league to be an option for many candidates. I fear we are looking at the equivalent of the long term unemployed at the job centre.
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It is obvious that it should be Neil Warnock. He's a nice chap. And available.
And a completely overrated ring piece suited to League 1 football. File next another half arsed manager, Holloway, Ian.
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Thinking about, there is one obvious candidate...Villa man, experience of football, taught Pele how to bicycle kick....
Please, not even in jest.
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What's Terry Venables doing?
Same as always. Bit of this an' a bit of that.
I do actually have a lot of time for TV but I think he can be filed away now with the likes of Sir Whiskeyface of Trafford, George Graham, King Kenny and our very own BFR and SGT.
But Howard Wilkinson, now we're talking! ;)
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Thinking about, there is one obvious candidate...Villa man, experience of football, taught Pele how to bicycle kick....
Please, not even in jest.
That is a no to Sylvester Stallone from me too.
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One of Randy's biggest failings is ignoring the wider Villa family. There are a lot of prominent ex-players and managers who love the club and are hurting right now because of recent events. Fox, if not Randy would be well served to have some conversations with some of them about his next, very critical steps.
I couldn't disagree more. Footballers and ex-footballers don't tend to be the brightest sparks and, as Peter Withe has already shown, have a tendency to trot out the same old lazy cliches about who should be manager. So you get all that shite about having a connection or affinity with the club, someone the fans know, having a passion for it. It's typical of the closed and narrow thinking within British football mindsets. And it's utter bollocks. We simply need someone who has displayed an ability to motivate players, to apply varying tactics to suit the situation, to sign some good prospects, to make the most of players he's got and to win more games than he loses. Oh and someone who is not incredibly dour and Scottish. It shouldn't matter a jot if he's from another planet and has never heard of Aston Villa. It aint rocket science.
I'm not suggesting he creates a council to help choose the manager. But don't ignore some of the very bright minds out there that can offer some insight. Sharp individuals like Sir Graham or Sir Brian should be embraced. I'm not talking about having a conversation with Merson or Withe.
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One of Randy's biggest failings is ignoring the wider Villa family. There are a lot of prominent ex-players and managers who love the club and are hurting right now because of recent events. Fox, if not Randy would be well served to have some conversations with some of them about his next, very critical steps.
I couldn't disagree more. Footballers and ex-footballers don't tend to be the brightest sparks and, as Peter Withe has already shown, have a tendency to trot out the same old lazy cliches about who should be manager. So you get all that shite about having a connection or affinity with the club, someone the fans know, having a passion for it. It's typical of the closed and narrow thinking within British football mindsets. And it's utter bollocks. We simply need someone who has displayed an ability to motivate players, to apply varying tactics to suit the situation, to sign some good prospects, to make the most of players he's got and to win more games than he loses. Oh and someone who is not incredibly dour and Scottish. It shouldn't matter a jot if he's from another planet and has never heard of Aston Villa. It aint rocket science.
I'm not suggesting he creates a council to help choose the manager. But don't ignore some of the very bright minds out there that can offer some insight. Sharp individuals like Sir Graham or Sir Brian should be embraced. I'm not talking about having a conversation with Merson or Withe.
They asked BFR once. You can guess who he recommended.
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Thinking about, there is one obvious candidate...Villa man, experience of football, taught Pele how to bicycle kick....
Good idea. Then he could take himself for a walk around the rose garden...
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Lawrie McMenamie would probably steady the ship
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Didn't Fulham appoint Kit Symons caretaker and then form a council of war containing ex players and various football bods to come up with a long term manager only to just give the caretaker the job full time?
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Dave Bassett still dabbling?
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Has Ian Dowie cropped up yet?
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Dave Bassett still dabbling?
Your thinking of David Pleat.
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I'm going to make myself unpopular with many of you, but it has to be said.
We, as fans, are not good judges of who should be appointed manager, so the club should ignore us completely and crack on with appointing the right man for the job. I say this because we previously turned our noses up at Steve McLaren so they looked elsewhere - he would have been a good appointment in hindsight. We shouted about Paul Lambert and then went into a delirious frenzy when he was appointed, only for it to be a massive disappointment.
Many of us, on this site, turned our noses up at Martinez, Rodgers and Benitez in the past. I remember reading the posts and being quite amazed at our arrogance. What would we give for those guys now?
Our job is to support the new manager and the team, because they need us now more than ever. And we need them to perform.
Thanks for that.
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Sherwood's name should not even be being mentioned .
Not really. Under the current regime I wouldn't expect much better sadly. Unless there's the potential for a sale brewing that might tempt a Klinsmann here, akin to when O Neill signed up under Doug, undoubtedly aware a rich American was shortly due to buy the club.
I think Klinsmann is more a 50/1 shot. Leaving the OC for Birmingham isnt realistic
I'll have a word. I'll be in the vicinity soon.
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What's Terry Venables doing?
Leave it!
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Sherwood seems more likely than others but i think it is totally the wrong way to go, this squad need a manager that has the credentials and Kudos that will automatically demand respect from the players, and a coach that will come down hard on those not giving total committment to the club.
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Has Ian Dowie cropped up yet?
No, but he was on Talk Shite this morning. He opined that there was a lack of dynamic players in our squad, the single exception being Delph, and this would be a major problem for the new manager. He reckoned too many of our squad are "samey".
Whatever you may think of him, he is a clever chap behind the wide boy accent.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-manager-latest-randy-8637925
No to Sherwood
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It is obvious that it should be Neil Warnock. He's a nice chap. And available.
And a completely overrated ring piece suited to League 1 football. File next another half arsed manager, Holloway, Ian.
I was tongue in cheek.
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Sherwood seems more likely than others but i think it is totally the wrong way to go, this squad need a manager that has the credentials and Kudos that will automatically demand respect from the players, and a coach that will come down hard on those not giving total committment to the club.
We have the chance to do something here, going for someone like Sherwood as a long term commitment Is shite for me. Long term would be as bad as Lambert
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The damage caused by relegation would be huge. I think we should pay whatever it costs to get the very best man for the job to the club. Who this is I dont know, however we should not scrimp a single penny to give us the best possible chance of staying up.
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Has Ian Dowie cropped up yet?
No, but he was on Talk Shite this morning. He opined that there was a lack of dynamic players in our squad, the single exception being Delph, and this would be a major problem for the new manager. He reckoned too many of our squad are "samey".
Whatever you may think of him, he is a clever chap behind the wide boy accent.
He has a Masters degree, Hasn't he? Though maybe not in football management.
.. engineering.
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I'm going to make myself unpopular with many of you, but it has to be said.
We, as fans, are not good judges of who should be appointed manager, so the club should ignore us completely and crack on with appointing the right man for the job. I say this because we previously turned our noses up at Steve McLaren so they looked elsewhere - he would have been a good appointment in hindsight. We shouted about Paul Lambert and then went into a delirious frenzy when he was appointed, only for it to be a massive disappointment.
Many of us, on this site, turned our noses up at Martinez, Rodgers and Benitez in the past. I remember reading the posts and being quite amazed at our arrogance. What would we give for those guys now?
Our job is to support the new manager and the team, because they need us now more than ever. And we need them to perform.
Thanks for that.
The last time they ignored us we ended up with Mcleish. That worked out well didn't it.
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I'm surprised the lad at Middlesbrough hasn't been mentioned more. He seems to tick a fair few of the boxes.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-manager-latest-randy-8637925
No to Sherwood
Why on earth is Tony Mowbray even namechecked in that article?
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I'm surprised the lad at Middlesbrough hasn't been mentioned more. He seems to tick a fair few of the boxes.
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Unlikely to want to leave them for us as it stands. If they miss out on promotion and we stay up then he could be a really strong candidate if we are still looking in the summer.
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Has Ian Dowie cropped up yet?
No, but he was on Talk Shite this morning. He opined that there was a lack of dynamic players in our squad, the single exception being Delph, and this would be a major problem for the new manager. He reckoned too many of our squad are "samey".
Whatever you may think of him, he is a clever chap behind the wide boy accent.
He has a Masters degree, Hans't he? Though maybe not in football management.
.. engineering.
Probably beat up a specky four eyes kid and nicked his 1st Class Honours!
He's a lad that Dowie...
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Tony Fucking Mowbray??? What about Lee Clark or Pepe Mel? That paper gets worse and worse
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The first names linked by the press are always the ones who are out of work and who the readers will have heard of. The obvious names in other words. I can't believe we'll seriously consider Sherwood: he has less top flight experience than Lambert had when we appointed him. Or Hoddle - his moment in the sun came and went a long time ago. The press also look at who's managing the top side in the division below, so we're getting all this Eddie Howe and Aitor Karanka talk. It's lazy journalism really: both have less experience in the top flight than even Sherwood. Neither is without merit but I think we should be looking for a more established manager who has worked at the top level of one or more of the major leagues in Europe. I think wider experience of continental football should be one of the most important criteria. And preferably someone who doesn't have a serious heart condition. If he had a glittering playing career that would be a bonus: dim witted players tend to be impressed by that.
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I think we should be looking for a more established manager who has worked at the top level of one or more of the major leagues in Europe. I think wider experience of continental football should be one of the most important criteria. And preferably someone who doesn't have a serious heart condition. If he had a glittering playing career that would be a bonus: dim witted players tend to be impressed by that.
Bang on, Hilts.
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I'm surprised the lad at Middlesbrough hasn't been mentioned more. He seems to tick a fair few of the boxes.
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Unlikely to want to leave them for us as it stands. If they miss out on promotion and we stay up then he could be a really strong candidate if we are still looking in the summer.
I think the shouts for Klinsman/Benitez etc are bonkers due to their current arrangements, but surely to shit we have enough pull to get the Boro manager?!
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I think your last point is crucial in our current predicament. We need someone who is going to be instantly respected by the players.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-manager-latest-randy-8637925
No to Sherwood
Why on earth is Tony Mowbray even namechecked in that article?
Gregg Evans is still in mourning about Lambert leaving. It was a love affair. He is just acting out with that line.
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Think I'd prefer Chris Hughton to Tim Sherwood if that's the level of manager we are aspiring to .
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I'm surprised the lad at Middlesbrough hasn't been mentioned more. He seems to tick a fair few of the boxes.
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Unlikely to want to leave them for us as it stands. If they miss out on promotion and we stay up then he could be a really strong candidate if we are still looking in the summer.
I think the shouts for Klinsman/Benitez etc are bonkers due to their current arrangements, but surely to shit we have enough pull to get the Boro manager?!
Why would McLaren or Karankor leave their sides though right now. It would be a foolish move.
Although his comments when asked today made me think if we went for McLaren in a big way he would come. It was a denial with a lot of praise for the club.
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Its a hell of a mess.
The manager who we appoint to save us from relegation , may not be the best one to lead a top six challenge, and almost certainly will not be the one to get us out of the Championship.
Sherwood? Im not impressed by his cockney mafia mates Ramsey and Sir Les, dont see his credentials to lead a relegation dog fight and think him wholly unsuitable to lead a Champonship promotion push.
Hoddles record is far better than many acknowledge and understands the Championship, I wouldnt say no.
Beyond that we would be taking a punt ( Dyche, Southagate, warburon, Howe).
I am not confident that this will end well.
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I see a couple of people spotted the piece mentioning Tony Mowbray around the same time I did. Luckily I couldn't take it seriously otherwise I may have tried to harm myself.
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Sherwood had a 59% win ratio down Spurs? He can be the biggest tw+t of them all if he manages to get that ratio here.
He had a better squad of players to work with at Spurs and he knew them all. I couldn't see him doing that well with our squad, but if he could revitalise Benteke like he did Adebeyor then that would be a big step towards keeping us up.
It also helps it you're using completely invented facts like "59% win ratio".
He won 14 of the 28 games he was in charge for. So where the idea comes from that he galvanised a rubbish Spurs team comes from I have no idea. Villas-Boas won a higher proportion of the games he was in charge of Spurs for than Sherwood did.
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Think I'd prefer Chris Hughton to Tim Sherwood if that's the level of manager we are aspiring to .
As an outside bet Hughton is the only name that came to me...in a good way.
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Think I'd prefer Chris Hughton to Tim Sherwood if that's the level of manager we are aspiring to .
Hughton was as negative and poor as Lambert.
Sherwood won half his games in the premier league last season.
He may well be a blunt, arrogant tool, but he has got much more about him that suggest he could motivate a group than Hughton.
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The first names linked by the press are always the ones who are out of work and who the readers will have heard of. The obvious names in other words. I can't believe we'll seriously consider Sherwood: he has less top flight experience than Lambert had when we appointed him. Or Hoddle - his moment in the sun came and went a long time ago. The press also look at who's managing the top side in the division below, so we're getting all this Eddie Howe and Aitor Karanka talk. It's lazy journalism really: both have less experience in the top flight than even Sherwood. Neither is without merit but I think we should be looking for a more established manager who has worked at the top level of one or more of the major leagues in Europe. I think wider experience of continental football should be one of the most important criteria. And preferably someone who doesn't have a serious heart condition. If he had a glittering playing career that would be a bonus: dim witted players tend to be impressed by that.
Frank De Boer ?
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It is obvious that it should be Neil Warnock. He's a nice chap. And available.
And a completely overrated ring piece suited to League 1 football. File next another half arsed manager, Holloway, Ian.
I was tongue in cheek.
Oh I know yours was. My response was 100% genuine though :)
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Another thing. Apparently we didn't even consider potential options until we finally sacked Lambert yesterday? I bloody hope that's not true as well.
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I see a couple of people spotted the piece mentioning Tony Mowbray around the same time I did. Luckily I couldn't take it seriously otherwise I may have tried to harm myself.
Not that I want you reaching for the razors or anything, but we thought similar of the prospect of McLeish coming here when the first murmurs began. An unfunny joke suggestion that would never happen in a million years, and then it did.
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Lerner couldn't get Benitez to leave Wigan ffs.
I think a reality check might be in order.
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Frank De Boer ?
That sort of thing yes. I have no idea of what football he has Ajax playing but he ticks most of the boxes. Would prefer it if he'd had more than one job but as punts go I'd much rather we went for someone like him than Eddie Howe.
Maybe we could him get him on a BOGOF with his brother.
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Lerner couldn't get Benitez to leave Wigan ffs.
I think a reality check might be in order.
Is that where he lives? Does he fancy himself as some kind of Iberian George Orwell?
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We need to be realistic on who would come / is available. Names like Klinsmann or Benitez are unrealistic.
Whilst Lerner & Fox may intend to look at the long-term; the reality is that it's the short-term that is the absolute priority.
Whoever they appoint will need our support to get us out of the shit. I don't think we should be critical whoever it turns out to be, in our current position we need avoid any negativity as it serves no purpose.
Lambert, for all his obvious limitations, was also one of the unluckiest managers we've had.
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Is that where he lives? Does he fancy himself as some kind of Iberian George Orwell?
Wasn't Gheorghe Hagi the Iberian George Orwell? Or am I thinking of the Togolese Zidane?
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Is that where he lives? Does he fancy himself as some kind of Iberian George Orwell?
Wasn't Gheorghe Hagi the Iberian George Orwell? Or am I thinking of the Togolese Zidane?
Who was the Maradona of the Carpathians?
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The Ecuadorian David Beckham needs to come back to the Villa and leave his one in Quito.
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Is that where he lives? Does he fancy himself as some kind of Iberian George Orwell?
Wasn't Gheorghe Hagi the Iberian George Orwell? Or am I thinking of the Togolese Zidane?
Who was the Maradona of the Carpathians?
Was it one of the Cheeky Girls?
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Has Ian Dowie cropped up yet?
No, but he was on Talk Shite this morning. He opined that there was a lack of dynamic players in our squad, the single exception being Delph, and this would be a major problem for the new manager. He reckoned too many of our squad are "samey".
Whatever you may think of him, he is a clever chap behind the wide boy accent.
He has a Masters degree, Hasn't he? Though maybe not in football management.
.. engineering.
If I remember correctly, it was in aeronautical engineering and he was often irreverently referred to as a rocket scientist.
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Is that where he lives? Does he fancy himself as some kind of Iberian George Orwell?
Wasn't Gheorghe Hagi the Iberian George Orwell? Or am I thinking of the Togolese Zidane?
Who was the Maradona of the Carpathians?
Probably George Orwell.
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Think I'd prefer Chris Hughton to Tim Sherwood if that's the level of manager we are aspiring to .
Hughton was as negative and poor as Lambert.
Sherwood won half his games in the premier league last season.
He may well be a blunt, arrogant tool, but he has got much more about him that suggest he could motivate a group than Hughton.
I would back Hughton over Sherwood in the Champ
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I believe Mark Burke was once touted as potentially the Silhillian George Best in a Villa programme.
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Is that where he lives? Does he fancy himself as some kind of Iberian George Orwell?
Wasn't Gheorghe Hagi the Iberian George Orwell? Or am I thinking of the Togolese Zidane?
Who was the Maradona of the Carpathians?
Was it one of the Cheeky Girls?
That's it: Lamberta Peake. Libdem chick who went lezbo for Sian Welsh Weather Woman. Drowned in the River Orwell when she lost her deposit.
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Think I'd prefer Chris Hughton to Tim Sherwood if that's the level of manager we are aspiring to .
Hughton was as negative and poor as Lambert.
Sherwood won half his games in the premier league last season.
He may well be a blunt, arrogant tool, but he has got much more about him that suggest he could motivate a group than Hughton.
That's well wide of the mark. On the basis of what do you think there is more there to motivate players than Hughton? Didn't Sherwood, in his short period in charge, manage to make a total arse of himself more than once by having a pop at his players in public?
Sherwood took over Tottenham on December 16th 2013. At that point they'd played 16 league games, and were 7th in the league.
That's really a pretty decent team to start with, and one which had finished fifth the previous season, had sold a player for £100m and bought a lot of players in who were in the process of starting to gel.
Sherwood only actually managed them for 22 league games. They finished that season in sixth, so marginally above where they were when he took over.
Prior to that, he had never managed anywhere.
He basically had a short spell - 22 games - at a club that was doing reasonably well and had just taken an influx of expensive players who weren't gelling. In that time he got known for slagging off the players in public and making a tool of himself in the press.
How on earth do you conclude from the above that Sherwood is in any way qualified for this job? How is he going to know what it takes to get superhuman results out of a bunch of confidence-free underperforming players in a team which is in the relegation places?
Seriously, have i missed something?
Aston Villa need a new manager, and people are really suggesting that, of all the potential replacements for the awful one we've just got rid of, the person with the best chance of taking us forward - starting with keeping us up - is someone who managed to make himself look an idiot while managing a 6th or 7th place team with an expensive squad for 22 games?
Really?
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This could be just pure fantasy but I heard a fox got randy and made a contract signed by former villa gk coach Eric Steele. Alongside experienced shade over 50 villa men Andy and Stuart Gray . The duo will be wanting to have a nice playing experience but will take delight in punishing opposition. Its thought randy does want the shackles to come off and having Paul Lambert's hands been tied some are confused why the 50 shades and over gray duo are being touted as appointments.
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This could be just pure fantasy but I heard a fox got randy and made a contract signed by former villa gk coach Eric Steele. Alongside experienced shade over 50 villa men Andy and Stuart Gray . The duo will be wanting to have a nice playing experience but will take delight in punishing opposition. Its thought randy does want the shackles to come off and having Paul Lambert's hands been tied some are confused why the 50 shades and over gray duo are being touted as appointments.
I think you should take the rest of the night off.
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This could be just pure fantasy but I heard a fox got randy and made a contract signed by former villa gk coach Eric Steele. Alongside experienced shade over 50 villa men Andy and Stuart Gray . The duo will be wanting to have a nice playing experience but will take delight in punishing opposition. Its thought randy does want the shackles to come off and having Paul Lambert's hands been tied some are confused why the 50 shades and over gray duo are being touted as appointments.
This.
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This could be just pure fantasy but I heard a fox got randy and made a contract signed by former villa gk coach Eric Steele. Alongside experienced shade over 50 villa men Andy and Stuart Gray . The duo will be wanting to have a nice playing experience but will take delight in punishing opposition. Its thought randy does want the shackles to come off and having Paul Lambert's hands been tied some are confused why the 50 shades and over gray duo are being touted as appointments.
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This could be just pure fantasy but I heard a fox got randy and made a contract signed by former villa gk coach Eric Steele. Alongside experienced shade over 50 villa men Andy and Stuart Gray . The duo will be wanting to have a nice playing experience but will take delight in punishing opposition. Its thought randy does want the shackles to come off and having Paul Lambert's hands been tied some are confused why the 50 shades and over gray duo are being touted as appointments.
I think you should take the rest of the night off.
Spank me first
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Would Mark Hughes be suitable
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This could be just pure fantasy but I heard a fox got randy and made a contract signed by former villa gk coach Eric Steele. Alongside experienced shade over 50 villa men Andy and Stuart Gray . The duo will be wanting to have a nice playing experience but will take delight in punishing opposition. Its thought randy does want the shackles to come off and having Paul Lambert's hands been tied some are confused why the 50 shades and over gray duo are being touted as appointments.
I think you should take the rest of the night off.
Spank me first
That's the most legible post you've ever made.
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Would Mark Hughes be suitable
No. And I actually think our stock has fallen so low, and our position is so precarious, that he wouldn't leave Stoke for us.
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The return of spoon face.
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And this is the problem. Because they delayed so long in pulling the trigger, the decent candidates from a couple of months ago have all been appointed elsewhere and we're left with possibilities such as Tim Sherwood and Chris Hughton.
Neither of whom are anywhere near qualified enough to be considered for the Villa job at this point in time. Those teams that made the change are already showing that they'll be fine come May so it'll be 3 from us, Leicester, QPR, Burnley and Hull.
No 1 choice would be Laudrup, if he cant be persuaded i'd go for a short term interim option myself, an experienced old head just to get us through to seasons end.
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Tried and tested at this level, or a continental genius who is willing to walk into a relegation battle. I wouldn't be surprised if Bruce, Hughes, Fat Sam are on the list to be discussed. Moyes would be my personal choice though. Not the time to get an up and coming like Karanka, Howe or Dyche, solid and dependable is required for what lies ahead. The club is in a mess with a complete overhaul required. Lots of deadwood to get rid of, the right choice of Manager in and this could be quite an exciting period with all the potential movement.
Warnock, Hughton, Sherwood, Hoddle- no thanks.
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What decent candidates did we miss out on?
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Isn't Hughton at Brighton these days?
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I'll be really pissed off if it's Sherwood.
Same here, can't stand the bloke and wouldn't trust him.
I don't think we've ever had a manager I didn't actually like as a person, even O'Leary seemed ok at the start - though he's the only ex-manager I wouldn't invite in for a cuppa if he knocked on the door selling dusters.
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From TheTrees (the BHX bloke) on Twitter just now:
thetrees
@thetrees80
Something or nothing? Private jet charter from Madrid landed this evening. Long shot, but didn't someone mention Spanish link?
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General Krulak has offered his opinion:
PAUL LAMBERT has been accused of talking hogwash by an Aston Villa director.
In an amazing attack, owner Randy Lerners right-hand man General Charles Krulak claimed:
Lambert WAS given cash to buy players he wanted.
The dressing room had lost faith in him.
The team had become boring.
Lambert was axed as manager by Lerner on Wednesday after dropping into the relegation zone. The Scot suggested he was hamstrung because of cost-cutting at Villa Park.
That infuriated Vietnam War hero Krulak, who said: This idea Randy had not put money into the club and that Pauls hands were tied is simply not true. Its hogwash.
Paul took the job knowing he had good, experienced players, Agbonlahor, Bent, NZogbia, even if they were expensive.
But he argued he needed a group of fresh young players.
Randy backed him to bring in six to eight players in that first year or so.
And the clubs net spend during Pauls tenure was the highest of ANY manager Randy has had, even Martin ONeill. That is the reality.
Krulak, 72, said Lerner decided to axe Lambert after hearing the views of fans and players.
He said: Randy was loathe to remove a manager mid-campaign.
But there was this intensely strong feeling, not least from players and fans, Villa should be doing a lot better. Paul was just not bringing the team together.
Randy wants a team that win, lose or draw is fun to watch. But the opposite was true.
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Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
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Someone stop him talking...
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From TheTrees (the BHX bloke) on Twitter just now:
thetrees
@thetrees80
Something or nothing? Private jet charter from Madrid landed this evening. Long shot, but didn't someone mention Spanish link?
Paul Clement?
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Krulak has done himself no favours there.
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My immediate thought.
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So to sum up:
Paul Lambert - My hands were tied
Krulak / Lerner - No they weren't.
I think most of the galaxy recognises that Lambert was working under fairly strict conditions so I'm afraid the General is once again talking out of his arse.
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So to sum up:
Paul Lambert - My hands were tied
Krulak / Lerner - No they weren't.
I think most of the galaxy recognises that Lambert was working under fairly strict conditions so I'm afraid the General is once again talking out of his arse.
It's a bit of both. There were some restrictions in place but he still spent around £50m in less than 3 years. And no restrictions excuses less than half a goal a game.
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I wish the General would leave the scene to be honest. We get it, Randy's your mate. Let him fight his own (metaphorical) battles.
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It's a bit of both. There were some restrictions in place but he still spent around £50m in less than 3 years. And no restrictions excuses less than half a goal a game.
That's low for a Premier League club though isn't it? The General is implying Lambert had more money to spend than O'Neill which is utter bollocks.
You're right, he failed to make the most of what he did get which is the crucial part of operating on a tight budget. Having said that, I don't think Lerner made Lambert's job easy.
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It's a bit of both. There were some restrictions in place but he still spent around £50m in less than 3 years. And no restrictions excuses less than half a goal a game.
That's low for a Premier League club though isn't it? The General is implying Lambert had more money to spend than O'Neill which is utter bollocks.
You're right, he failed to make the most of what he did get which is the crucial part of operating on a tight budget. Having said that, I don't think Lerner made Lambert's job easy.
He is implying his net spend was more. Which is still untrue because the major sales came after MON left, Milner, Downing, Young.
But he has a point, and it is the same thing that annoyed me reading the telegraph and Gregg Evans love in for Lambert that essentially he is playing the hard done to card, which looking at the squad, what he had available, the turnaround on the bomb squad etc, doesn't square up to a whole. Both may have a point, but there were rumours plenty of times that the path was forged by Lambert, and there were more resources available than made out. Lambert for 5 million on deadline day, the willing to spend 7 on Cleverley last deadline day 2 pretty clear examples.
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It's a bit of both. There were some restrictions in place but he still spent around £50m in less than 3 years. And no restrictions excuses less than half a goal a game.
That's low for a Premier League club though isn't it? The General is implying Lambert had more money to spend than O'Neill which is utter bollocks.
You're right, he failed to make the most of what he did get which is the crucial part of operating on a tight budget. Having said that, I don't think Lerner made Lambert's job easy.
No it was 8th highest in the last 3 seasons. The normal top 6 and then only West Ham and Crystal P had a net spend higher.
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MON had spent £65m at the same stage of his Villa career. Obviously he had a lot more room to move on wages. As I said it's a bit of both, Lambert seems to be making out he had a couple of quid to spend, but £50m isn't a tiny amount. Over the same time as Lambert was here Stoke have spent £23m, Newcastle £14m, Swansea £3m, Albion £20m, Everton £19m. Obviously these figures are approximate and after sales. I couldn't be arsed at this time in the morning trying to work out the undisclosed transfers!
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But I can see why the General would want to defend Randy in that. Lambert was a poor manager, with no coaching team.
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It's not the first time i've heard that Lambert didn't spend all the money available. Doesn't make it true to but to have heard it a few times over the last couple of years makes me wonder if there is something in it.
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From TheTrees (the BHX bloke) on Twitter just now:
thetrees
@thetrees80
Something or nothing? Private jet charter from Madrid landed this evening. Long shot, but didn't someone mention Spanish link?
Paul Clement?
I sincerely hope so
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From TheTrees (the BHX bloke) on Twitter just now:
thetrees
@thetrees80
Something or nothing? Private jet charter from Madrid landed this evening. Long shot, but didn't someone mention Spanish link?
Paul Clement?
I sincerely hope so
Added bonus as well with how much it would piss off the Bitters.
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MON had spent £65m at the same stage of his Villa career. Obviously he had a lot more room to move on wages. As I said it's a bit of both, Lambert seems to be making out he had a couple of quid to spend, but £50m isn't a tiny amount. Over the same time as Lambert was here Stoke have spent £23m, Newcastle £14m, Swansea £3m, Albion £20m, Everton £19m. Obviously these figures are approximate and after sales. I couldn't be arsed at this time in the morning trying to work out the undisclosed transfers!
All I'm saying is that there was clearly a policy from above of avoiding expensive, big salary players in favour of (pukes) 'young and hungry players', many of whom turned out to be mediocre or worse. That's not Lerner's fault but he dictated which shops Lambert was allowed to buy from, which is why a lot of his buys turned out to be mediocre or worse. You're quite right there are two sides to every story but with Krulak in full on Comical Ali mode I think he's underplaying, to put it mildly, how difficult it was for Lambert to operate in the transfer market.
That said, Lambert could have been given three or four times that amount but it wouldn't have altered the fact that he couldn't coach or motivate his players.
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whenever I read Paul Clement I want to pronounce his last name like it is French, and it makes him sound a bit more flash. He's from London though apparently.
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It's not the first time i've heard that Lambert didn't spend all the money available. Doesn't make it true to but to have heard it a few times over the last couple of years makes me wonder if there is something in it.
Yep it's been said before but I'm not sure I buy it. It would make Lambert the first manager in football history to not want to spend more money than he had. I know he was rubbish but floundering around at the bottom of the table, no goals and unwanted records up the yinyang I find it hard to believe he didn't want to spend more.
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whenever I read Paul Clement I want to pronounce his last name like it is French, and it makes him sound a bit more flash. He's from London though apparently.
I had been wondering that myself so you've saved me the job of googling him. I remember doing WW1 history at school and learning there was a French Minister called Albert Thomas.
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What decent candidates did we miss out on?
I accept this is in hindsight and that he would not have been a popular choice with a lot of our supporters, but appointing Pulis after the back-to-back horror shows at QPR and Everton would have been the right man at the right time. He'd have probably come for an 18 month contract and would have got us better organised, harder to beat and would have dealt with those not pulling their weight. Yes, the football wouldn't have been great, but it surely could not have been any worse than what we have witnessed for most of Lambert's reign.
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whenever I read Paul Clement I want to pronounce his last name like it is French, and it makes him sound a bit more flash. He's from London though apparently.
I had been wondering that myself so you've saved me the job of googling him. I remember doing WW1 history at school and learning there was a French Minister called Albert Thomas.
That might be the crappest French name of all time. Pontzy early 20th century British wannabe
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What decent candidates did we miss out on?
I accept this is in hindsight and that he would not have been a popular choice with a lot of our supporters, but appointing Pulis after the back-to-back horror shows at QPR and Everton would have been the right man at the right time. He'd have probably come for an 18 month contract and would have got us better organised, harder to beat and would have dealt with those not pulling their weight. Yes, the football wouldn't have been great, but it surely could not have been any worse than what we have witnessed for most of Lambert's reign.
He's as bog standard a candidate as there is though and means we've essentially sold out to stay up. I'd like to think even at this low point we can attract someone better than that bald cap wearing nonce.
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What decent candidates did we miss out on?
I accept this is in hindsight and that he would not have been a popular choice with a lot of our supporters, but appointing Pulis after the back-to-back horror shows at QPR and Everton would have been the right man at the right time. He'd have probably come for an 18 month contract and would have got us better organised, harder to beat and would have dealt with those not pulling their weight. Yes, the football wouldn't have been great, but it surely could not have been any worse than what we have witnessed for most of Lambert's reign.
I have always been a Pulis fan regarding organising and getting results. But aside from any debate on his style of football he is very MON when it comes to type of player and wages involved. Mark Hughes is similar. I think it was last Sunday when Stoke were on live and when they showed the names of the subs my first thought was how much they must have all been earning.
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What decent candidates did we miss out on?
Well Pullis would look like Bill Shankly in comparison to some of the names mentioned.
David Moyes would have been a great option.
Much as I dislike him even Alan Pardew has proved a decent Manager.
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What decent candidates did we miss out on?
I accept this is in hindsight and that he would not have been a popular choice with a lot of our supporters, but appointing Pulis after the back-to-back horror shows at QPR and Everton would have been the right man at the right time. He'd have probably come for an 18 month contract and would have got us better organised, harder to beat and would have dealt with those not pulling their weight. Yes, the football wouldn't have been great, but it surely could not have been any worse than what we have witnessed for most of Lambert's reign.
He's as bog standard a candidate as there is though and means we've essentially sold out to stay up. I'd like to think even at this low point we can attract someone better than that bald cap wearing nonce.
I'm not sure we can, in fact we haven't for a while in truth.
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From TheTrees (the BHX bloke) on Twitter just now:
thetrees
@thetrees80
Something or nothing? Private jet charter from Madrid landed this evening. Long shot, but didn't someone mention Spanish link?
Paul Clement?
I sincerely hope so
Fingers crossed
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I can't believe I keep reading Hoddle's name in the press. Gotta be a PR/agent putting it out there on his behalf. Surely we won't fall for that. He wasn't much cop as a manager either (one promotion and two losing finals nearly 20 years ago) and it been 10 years since he was a manager. Madness. Might as well throw Trevor Beelzebub Francis' name in the mix.
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What's Terry Venables doing?
Watching the celebrity death match thread.
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I've read on another (non-villa) forum - Ian Dowie FGS !
But thinking about it -- not him actually -- but a "thug type" guy, with something to prove who can motivate our millionaires and get himself back in the market for managers.
Whomever it is, with the club up for sale and any new owner more than likely to have a preffered manager/coach - this appointment isn't going to attract the cream.
So get a "thug". Has Roy got another book out soon? ;D
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Steve McClaren has ruled himself out but did have a few kind words to say; No doubt who goesh in, it ish a ferry good job, a big job and a schleeping giant and schomeone ish going to be ferry lucky to get that.
Well schpoken Schtefe!
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From TheTrees (the BHX bloke) on Twitter just now:
thetrees
@thetrees80
Something or nothing? Private jet charter from Madrid landed this evening. Long shot, but didn't someone mention Spanish link?
Paul Clement?
Gerry Armstrong?
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We could do a lot worse than the fat spanish waiter
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Heard the rumours about spending before. I tend to think the General may be on the side of righteousness there.
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Sir Brian was on R5 Live today and without throwing his hat in the ring, said he would do anything to help the club if asked.
Villa are in my blood he said. A true legend.
I love Brian. I don't want him back as Manager Unless he is very successful, as I would hate him to fail, but that comment is all class.
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Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
Exactly Dave, why the hell does Krulak need to get involved. It's all been quite amicable, acceptable and dignified then this buffoon opens his big mouth.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/former-england-boss-terry-venables-5126840
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Venables now managing a hotel
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Venables has lot's of Spanish waiters.
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Someone stop him talking...
What do you mean? Our greatest fan ever is surely allowed to voice his opinion? He bleeds claret and blue after all...
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Clement would be a huge gamble surely? Possibly even moreso than Sherwood who we have at least seen manage.
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Clement would be a huge gamble surely? Possibly even moreso than Sherwood who we have at least seen manage.
That's what I think as well, especially when we need to win games. It would be a mad idea at this stage.
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Clement would be a huge gamble surely? Possibly even moreso than Sherwood who we have at least seen manage.
That's what I think as well, especially when we need to win games. It would be a mad idea at this stage.
Thirded - it cant be that difficult managing the players at Madrid, other than their egos perhaps.
And anyway, he isn't even the one doing the main job.
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Over the last five years Villa have chosen to roll the dice too many times and every time it has come up snake eyes. To the best of their ability this managerial choice has to have the minimum amount of risk taking.
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On the contrary, we've not been imaginative enough. The last four managers have all been "Premier League experience" types, while the last couple have come directly from a club with small budgets and expectations just to try (and fail, in McLeish's case) to to stay in the top flight.
Go foreign, go exciting. Re-energise the support and sell more season tickets.
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Over the last five years Villa have chosen to roll the dice too many times and every time it has come up snake eyes. To the best of their ability this managerial choice has to have the minimum amount of risk taking.
Premier league knowledge, experience (not 15 years ago) and they have to be able to assert themselves over the squad. It is no time for a weak personality.
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Well risk is inversely proportional to brilliance and experience.
And Houllier, McLeish and Lambert were all clearly risky.
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Go foreign, go exciting. Re-energise the support and sell more season tickets.
This.
Premier league knowledge, experience (not 15 years ago)
Absolutely NOT this.
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"Premier League knowledge" equates to someone who has managed for a few months in the top flight, someone with at least one relegation on his CV or someone who hates disabled people. It's a no from me.
We should not have a Martin O'Neill-signing attitude to appointing managers. There's a whole World of football managers out there.
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"Premier League knowledge" equates to someone who has managed for a few months in the top flight, someone with at least one relegation on his CV or someone who hates disabled people. It's a no from me.
We should not have a Martin O'Neill-signing attitude to appointing managers. There's a whole World of football managers out there.
I didn't necessarily mean managed in the league, but having an idea of the players is vital
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I agree with thos who say that knowledge of the PL is vital for a relegation dogfight.
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From TheTrees (the BHX bloke) on Twitter just now:
thetrees
@thetrees80
Something or nothing? Private jet charter from Madrid landed this evening. Long shot, but didn't someone mention Spanish link?
Private plane from Madrid lands at Birmingham.. Not sure why that has to be about Villa? Bit of a reach. Still, promising if it were true.
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Clement would be fine if he brought Ancellotti with him.
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From TheTrees (the BHX bloke) on Twitter just now:
thetrees
@thetrees80
Something or nothing? Private jet charter from Madrid landed this evening. Long shot, but didn't someone mention Spanish link?
Private plane from Madrid lands at Birmingham.. Not sure why that has to be about Villa? Bit of a reach. Still, promising if it were true.
Isn't Lerner in the Caribbean and Fox in the US though ?
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Iv'e read the last twenty pages and I haven't got a clue who Tom Fox will go for. I would imagine he will seek the opinion of Arsene Wenger
who might suggest Patrick Viera, but if not, somebody French.
For me Bilic is the right way to go long term, but short term, apart from Sir Alex I haven't got a clue.
We should know sometime next week, probably Wednesday I should think.
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Think I'd prefer Chris Hughton to Tim Sherwood if that's the level of manager we are aspiring to .
As an outside bet Hughton is the only name that came to me...in a good way.
Hang on, he's only just pitched up at Brighton.
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Plane lands at BHX from Spain....tenuous, a wee bit tenuous.
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Short term I wonder if Eire would let MON come back til May ? It's the least he owes us
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are you quite well?
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i personally would like to see Moyes given the job, I think he would be ideal for us, we need experience and premier league knowledge.
Listening to TALKsport this morning the journalist they has on was saying that Tom Fox is no mug and is no ones fool, and how dissapointed Arsenal were when he left them....we will see who his first appointment is!
I just hope that we dont go for Allardyce, if you think the football was bad under McLeish / Lambert, then wait until Allardyce turns up with his brand of football!!
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I'd swap places with the West Ham of this season in a heartbeat
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The problem is someone like Clement might be the best for the long term, but as we've left it so late the person who's good for the short term might be completely different.
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No to Neil Lennon as well.
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My dad's just phoned me and said that a good friend of his has just seen Klinsmann arrive at Birmingham Airport?
It could well be office banter. But feel as if I should post, just in case there's any truth in it.
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Feels good to be a fan again- what a strange effect the sacking has had.
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i personally would like to see Moyes given the job, I think he would be ideal for us, we need experience and premier league knowledge.
Listening to TALKsport this morning the journalist they has on was saying that Tom Fox is no mug and is no ones fool, and how dissapointed Arsenal were when he left them....we will see who his first appointment is!
I just hope that we dont go for Allardyce, if you think the football was bad under McLeish / Lambert, then wait until Allardyce turns up with his brand of football!!
I wouldn't mind him if I'm honest, we have to learn to walk again before we start running, and I think he'd be ideal.
I have to say that the couple of times I've seen West Ham play recently, albeit on tv, they've always seemed to play decent football.
I'd agree on the Bolton, Blackburn front, though, but you can only work with what you've got.
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we need Trees on the Klinsmann sighting.
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And we need tracking data for Randy's jet.
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Its difficult to see beyond Hoddle right now.
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Its difficult to see beyond Hoddle right now.
Why, has he put on a lot of weight and is blocking our line of vision?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11409797/Paul-Lambert-twice-told-Aston-Villa-chairman-Randy-Lerner-to-sack-him.html
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i personally would like to see Moyes given the job, I think he would be ideal for us, we need experience and premier league knowledge.
Listening to TALKsport this morning the journalist they has on was saying that Tom Fox is no mug and is no ones fool, and how dissapointed Arsenal were when he left them....we will see who his first appointment is!
I just hope that we dont go for Allardyce, if you think the football was bad under McLeish / Lambert, then wait until Allardyce turns up with his brand of football!!
Some people live in cloud cuckoo land. WTF would Alardyce leave a highly successful West Ham team, about to relocate to the Olympic stadium, to come to us where he'll have one arm tied behind his back? And if you think his brand of football is that bad, have you actually watched any of their games recently? They actually score goals sometimes.
Same goes for Moyes really, I would think he'll want to continue re-building his reputation of of the limelight and without the current hospital pass that is the Villa at the moment.
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In all seriousness, does anyone seriously think that Klinsmann would touch the job? He is established in the US, he is married there and his kids go to school there. Why would he give up a very cushy job managing the US team to enter a relegation battle?
Realistically I think that the only option in the current circumstances is to gamble on Sherwood. Offer him a short term contract with the carrot of a permanent deal, should he drag us out of this mess.
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"Premier League knowledge" equates to someone who has managed for a few months in the top flight, someone with at least one relegation on his CV or someone who hates disabled people. It's a no from me.
We should not have a Martin O'Neill-signing attitude to appointing managers. There's a whole World of football managers out there.
I didn't necessarily mean managed in the league, but having an idea of the players is vital
Any football manager with access to a telly will have a working knowledge of most Premier League players.
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Now is not the time to start thinking forwards. Surely we just need someone in who can get the club over the line? If we want to be visionary, then being in the bottom three with 13 games to go is perhaps not the best time to do this. Oh and the last time we were visionary we ended up with Venglos, so I have a huge degree of scepticism about this.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-open-letter-birmingham-8637953
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A plane you say, at an airport, well I never...
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11409797/Paul-Lambert-twice-told-Aston-Villa-chairman-Randy-Lerner-to-sack-him.html
Yes, he was that desperate to be sacked he signed a 4 year contract extension, proclaiming as he did so that he now had his strongest squad ever.
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The Evening Mail seemed suggested yesterday that we are looking to bring in a Director of Football in the coming weeks. This will surely impact on the type of manager we are looking at?
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Tim Sherwoods odds have dropped to 1/7 on betfair. I'm going to lay that one at that price!
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I don't like Sherwood at all. But I'm pretty sure he would have the wherewithal to keep us up with the squad we have.
It would be lovely to have a forward thinking foreign manager in the medium term, but can we really afford to risk one for the next 13 games?
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Whoever we get in needs to be living in 2015, and properly up-to-date with modern coaching methods. I posted a link to this Wired article about Prozone on another thread:
http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2014/01/features/the-winning-formula
It paints a not very flattering image of us around the time Prozone appeared:
'Mylvaganam and Ramsay sent their sports scientists to football clubs to act as Prozone consultants -- what some of them found wasn't what they were expecting from multimillion-pound businesses. "At Aston Villa, there was an old-school bucket-and-sponge physio who didn't really speak to the manager and a manager who didn't really speak to the players," says the current managing director of Prozone, Barry McNeill. "There were few coaching meetings, no preparation meetings and I was just a 22-year old guy in a suit who had to explain how the software I had in my PC could add value."'
Things must have changed since then, but how much? They must change dramatically now, and it makes perfect sense to invest in this kind of thing - and an intelligent manager who understands its importance - especially in a time when the TV money keeps going up and up.
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Seen the odds list on Sky? It's enough to make you cry. Alan Irvine is 4th favourite.
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An interim manager makes sense to me. In the summer there'll be far more choice. Many managers who wouldn't leave their current role now, mid-season, possibly would do in the summer.
We may also look a far more attractive proposition then. Premier league safety secured (hopefully) and potentially new owners coming in with money to spend. Remember we'd never had attracted MON had he not known that Lerner was about to take over.
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They won't appoint Irvine!! The odds are just random names people can think up that people have put money on. Sherwood is so sorry because he is the most plausible on the list.
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I can't see the attraction of Sherwood. If we are relegated his chances of getting us back up are minimal.
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The more I think of it the more I think it will be an underwhelming manager, someone who can come in and hopefully keep us up. I just can't see a highly-thought-of foreign coach dropping everything and moving to a club in the bottom 3 with no transfer window to use to bring in players.
Nor for that matter can I imagine Allardyce or anyone else at a stable club, or a promotion-chasing club coming to us right now. I think they'll either go for an inside man or a Sherwood-type out of work manager.
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In all seriousness, does anyone seriously think that Klinsmann would touch the job? He is established in the US, he is married there and his kids go to school there. Why would he give up a very cushy job managing the US team to enter a relegation battle?
Realistically I think that the only option in the current circumstances is to gamble on Sherwood. Offer him a short term contract with the carrot of a permanent deal, should he drag us out of this mess.
It's a guess, but I think that you have stumbled across the plan. I could see Klinnsman and Sherwood as a double act. Klinnsmann doing the DoF role - which would suit his lifestyle (see above) and also his managerial skills (see his re-organisation of German football around 2004). Sherwood, is well sherwood (awful in my opinion but...) a keen coach looking for an opportunity.
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dire situation, near end of season - lets get Pulis. Oh.
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The problem I see is that the manager we need for the remainder of the games is different to what we need long term.
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In all seriousness, does anyone seriously think that Klinsmann would touch the job? He is established in the US, he is married there and his kids go to school there. Why would he give up a very cushy job managing the US team to enter a relegation battle?
Realistically I think that the only option in the current circumstances is to gamble on Sherwood. Offer him a short term contract with the carrot of a permanent deal, should he drag us out of this mess.
It's a guess, but I think that you have stumbled across the plan. I could see Klinnsman and Sherwood as a double act. Klinnsmann doing the DoF role - which would suit his lifestyle (see above) and also his managerial skills (see his re-organisation of German football around 2004). Sherwood, is well sherwood (awful in my opinion but...) a keen coach looking for an opportunity.
It's an interesting theory. But I just can't see it happening.
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Lambert twice asked to be sacked? What a load of old Bollocks. Sherwood has managed spurs for what? Half a season, that is his only experience. Seriously doubt were that stupid...
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I cant help thinking that appointing Sherwood is a pretty 'lazy' option.
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I can just see Paul taunting Uncle Randy - daring him to pull the trigger whilst blowing the ink dry on that wonderfully lucrative four year deal.
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That Lambert supposedly asked to be sacked suggests he wanted to walk but was thinking of his bank balance - or more likely the product of tabloid journalistic imagination.
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I can just see Paul taunting Uncle Randy - daring him to pull the trigger whilst blowing the ink dry on that wonderfully lucrative four year deal.
With all that we know about the two of them and their relationship I think that is about as far from the truth as it possible to be.
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if Sherwood was the man that we want, and he is available with no compo, rumours he has already been interviewd etc
then why hasn't he been appointed, the longer it goes on the less likely it will be Sherwood in my view
I know its only been a couple of days but you know what I mean
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Or they are rightfully concerned about Sherwood without Ramsey to do the coaching part.
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Lambert asks Randy twice for sack:
Lambert: "Ah wouldnae say noo tae the push, Randy."
Randy: "Your wooden sea newt's in the bush?"
Lambert: "Ah said sack meh noo!"
Randy: "Acid sock menu...?"
Lambert: "Never mind, everythin's excellent, bye."
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The problem I see is that the manager we need for the remainder of the games is different to what we need long term.
I agree
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The point is that now we need a coaching expert; in 6 months time we'll need someone to be a little more visionary and set out a deliverable plan for the next few years.
If we can get both in one guy, fine; if we can get a team in now, fine.
A Klinnsman / Sherwood ticket would be intersting, but unlikely to be deliveredin the next 6 days.
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The problem I see is that the manager we need for the remainder of the games is different to what we need long term.
Very true.
Trouble is two of our relegation rivals have already moved to take managers ideal in starting quickly.
I'm not sure which experienced managers are out there who could do it and aren't ring rusty. Guys like Hoddle and Curbishley have been out the game too long.
I don't particularly want Sherwood but the hope is that if he were to come he could start quickly, as he did at Spurs. The difference was though he'd been at the club already, knew the players, and had better players to work with. It's quite something to turn up at a club in the bottom 3 on such a horrific run of form. For Spurs he was somewhat refreshingly gung-ho and seemed to re-invigorate 1-2 there, but I'm not sure he could have quite the same effect.
I wish we'd pulled the trigger months ago and got Pulis to be honest. A few years ago I'd have vomited in my mouth a bit at the mere thought of Pulis managing us. Likewise when McLaren was rumoured 3 years ago I had the rosary beads out praying it wouldn't happen, but now I'd walk all the way to Derby and carry him all the way back to Villa park.
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Sherwood comes with Ramsey and Sir Les, I would not be impressed.
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Lambert asks Randy twice for sack:
Lambert: "Ah wouldnae say noo tae the push, Randy."
Randy: "Your wooden sea newt's in the bush?"
Lambert: "Ah said sack meh noo!"
Randy: "Acid sock menu...?"
Lambert: "Never mind, everythin's excellent, bye."
Applauds.
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Sherwood comes with Ramsey and Sir Les, I would not be impressed.
Ramsey's got the QPR job until the summer
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Sherwood comes with Ramsey and Sir Les, I would not be impressed.
Ramsey's got the QPR job until the summer
And Ferdinand is their new director of football.
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The more I think of it, the more I'm coming round to the idea of Hoddle. I also think our next manager need to be savvy in the ways of the Championship because, well, you know !
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As others point out, I think the unavailability of Ramsey and Sir Les counts against Sherwood taking the job right now.
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The problem I see is that the manager we need for the remainder of the games is different to what we need long term.
So right, so wise.
But where's the answer to now?
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My school football teams did well with an effective passing style. We won the West Riding County Cup once (in 1978).
I'm retired and available.
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The damage caused by relegation would be huge. I think we should pay whatever it costs to get the very best man for the job to the club. Who this is I dont know, however we should not scrimp a single penny to give us the best possible chance of staying up.
I can't believe it took them so long to do it . Did they really think he would turn it round , it wasn't one problem ,it was dozens.
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Keegan would bring goals.
I'll get my coat.
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How about Nigel Kennedy,he,s good on the fiddle. World class. lol
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I'm not sure which experienced managers are out there who could do it and aren't ring rusty. Guys like Hoddle and Curbishley have been out the game too long.
Hoddle hasn't managed for a while but has been actively involved in coaching.
I think his record is better than many suggest, and almost all managers have their failures.
He is available, is credible, plays good football, and is older and wiser than when he was at Wolves.
The list is pretty thin, but Hoddle would be the best available for me.
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I'm not sure which experienced managers are out there who could do it and aren't ring rusty. Guys like Hoddle and Curbishley have been out the game too long.
Hoddle hasn't managed for a while but has been actively involved in coaching.
I think his record is better than many suggest, and almost all managers have their failures.
He is available, is credible, plays good football, and is older and wiser than when he was at Wolves.
The list is pretty thin, but Hoddle would be the best available for me.
I agree with that. Hoddle on a short term appointment till end of the season to keep us up then rewarded with a DOF role for next season.
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All these media experts and ex players all say hoddle is one of the best coaches out there
But they were all saying Lambert was doing a brilliant job too with the money he had spent 😝
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Hoddle for me. Sherwood has been swerved by a number of clubs for a reason. He's a cock.
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Just before the sacking wasn't Tom Fox going on about bringing a DoF in?
What are the chances that we're going to bring both in together?
I wouldn't bet against a Hoddle - Sherwood double the way things are.
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Hoddle for me. Sherwood has been swerved by a number of clubs for a reason. He's a cock.
He's done nothing since Wolves.
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If the appointment is to be short term with the limited aim of keeping us in the division then we do not really need an out and out manager, we need a head coach with staff. For this reason, Sherwood would have been a reasonable bet if he could have brought his homies in with him.
Much depends on how optimistic RL is that he can offload the club in the summer.
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I'm not sure which experienced managers are out there who could do it and aren't ring rusty. Guys like Hoddle and Curbishley have been out the game too long.
Hoddle hasn't managed for a while but has been actively involved in coaching.
I think his record is better than many suggest, and almost all managers have their failures.
He is available, is credible, plays good football, and is older and wiser than when he was at Wolves.
The list is pretty thin, but Hoddle would be the best available for me.
I agree with that. Hoddle on a short term appointment till end of the season to keep us up then rewarded with a DOF role for next season.
It's one of the better prospects that might realistically happen, but it still sends a shiver down the spine.
That said I'm not going to suddenly bemoan us sacking Lambert. He absolutely had to go. We need fresh impetus and a shake up of any sort. I don't even think someone like Holloway/Warnock could be as bad as Lambert at this current time as they'd come in yet to be beaten down by the job like Lambert became.
That said if we hired either of them I'd probably have a heart attack.
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How about Nigel Kennedy,he,s good on the fiddle. World class. lol
He'd be good for four seasons.
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Klinsmann Not Interested in Villa Job (http://www.espnfc.com/barclays-premier-league/story/2297084/united-states-boss-jurgen-klinsmann-not-interested-in-aston-villa-job)
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Well colour me shocked. California is very nice you know.
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Klinsmann Not Interested in Villa Job (http://www.espnfc.com/barclays-premier-league/story/2297084/united-states-boss-jurgen-klinsmann-not-interested-in-aston-villa-job)
So he's definitely not in Birmingham then.
Any update from the Trees and the possibility Randy's plane is in Madrid?
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Not a surprise. Were it the summer and we'd been safe with a new owner on the horizon he'd come here. But with 13 games left and in our current state? Not a chance.
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He would not come even if there was a new owner - why on earth would you bother uprooting your family and life to come to Birmingham from California, for probably similar money. You would have to be bonkers.
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Hoddle for me. Sherwood has been swerved by a number of clubs for a reason. He's a cock.
He's done nothing since Wolves.
At least he has kept coaching.Less of a gamble than the names.
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He would not come even if there was a new owner - why on earth would you bother uprooting your family and life to come to Birmingham from California, for probably similar money. You would have to be bonkers.
True.
I was just envisioning our new owners as making Abramovich look like a pauper and getting whichever manager they threw enough cash at.
Which of course also won't happen.
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Well colour me shocked. California is very nice you know.
He could always move to California in Brum. Or Hollywood.
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Hoddle for me. Sherwood has been swerved by a number of clubs for a reason. He's a cock.
He's done nothing since Wolves.
At least he has kept coaching.Less of a gamble than the names.
You'd rather have him than Clement, Bilic, Prandelli, De Boer, Tuchel?
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He would not come even if there was a new owner - why on earth would you bother uprooting your family and life to come to Birmingham from California, for probably similar money. You would have to be bonkers.
He's obviously not up to the challenge so bollocks to him ;-)
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Hoddle for me. Sherwood has been swerved by a number of clubs for a reason. He's a cock.
He's done nothing since Wolves.
At least he has kept coaching.Less of a gamble than the names.
He's always struck me as someone who absolutely knows the game inside out and has a tactical brain. He might not necessarily keep the dressing room entirely sweet. But I doubt there'd be a turn in the remainder of this season. A temp job with the prospect of taking over, or becoming a DOF here might suit him.
It's a gamble, but as you say, less than some of the others and indeed our only options are going to be complete punts.
We need to strike the balance between finding someone who could turn us around in the short term, and someone who would be well suited for a long term project. It might be that a temporary option would be the way to go now and re-assess in the summer.
If we have to rebuild from the Championship, then we need someone who'll put into place a solid 2-3 year plan. I don't think Hodd would want long term managerial gig. He seems happy as a coach/advisor.
Failing this I'd like to see us try and get someone in to help Marshall and Marshall. Someone experienced. Perhaps SBL might come, or indeed Hoddle if he wasn't open to the top job.
If the options are genuinely thin then we'd be better waiting till the summer and hoping for a miracle in the next 13 games.
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Hoddle for me. Sherwood has been swerved by a number of clubs for a reason. He's a cock.
He's done nothing since Wolves.
He did very little before Wolves either.
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IIRC Hoddle was renowned for alienating players and showing them up on the training ground with his own skills - and that was when he was England coach. Christ knows what he would do to Cissokho and Baker.
Technically he is a good coach / tactician (his masterminding of England's 0-0 draw in Rome in 1997 was possibly the most disciplined England performance I can recall) but he would need a number 2 to communicate with the players.
I think we need a short term appointment to keep us up, then we think long term in the summer. Sadly, by waiting so long, we have lost solid options like Pulis and Moyes - I would have had confidence in both if appointed during the transfer window.
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Hoddle for me. Sherwood has been swerved by a number of clubs for a reason. He's a cock.
He's done nothing since Wolves.
At least he has kept coaching.Less of a gamble than the names.
He's always struck me as someone who absolutely knows the game inside out and has a tactical brain. He might not necessarily keep the dressing room entirely sweet. But I doubt there'd be a turn in the remainder of this season. A temp job with the prospect of taking over, or becoming a DOF here might suit him.
It's a gamble, but as you say, less than some of the others and indeed our only options are going to be complete punts.
We need to strike the balance between finding someone who could turn us around in the short term, and someone who would be well suited for a long term project. It might be that a temporary option would be the way to go now and re-assess in the summer.
If we have to rebuild from the Championship, then we need someone who'll put into place a solid 2-3 year plan. I don't think Hodd would want long term managerial gig. He seems happy as a coach/advisor.
Failing this I'd like to see us try and get someone in to help Marshall and Marshall. Someone experienced. Perhaps SBL might come, or indeed Hoddle if he wasn't open to the top job.
If the options are genuinely thin then we'd be better waiting till the summer and hoping for a miracle in the next 13 games.
He's always struck me that thinks he knows more than he does. Talks the talk, but can't walk the walk.
Just going through his Managerial career. He hasn't done anything of any real worth.
Swindon - Achieved Promotion.
Chelsea - Finished 11th
England - upset the dressing room with his treatment of the players over deciding his World Cup 98 squad, Upset Beckham by announcing publicly his dropping from the Tunisia game. Despite him being one of our best players. Refused to play in-form Owen until it was apparent we needed his goals. Sacked by declaring his religious beliefs.
Southampton - Lasted a year before joining Tottenham
Tottenham - Finished 10th place.
Wolves - Finished 7th. 8 points off the play offs
also taken from Wikipedia:
In April 2014 he revealed he had come close to taking over from Andre Villas Boas at Tottenham, before the job was given to Tim Sherwood.
"I did have talks with Daniel Levy and the club," Hoddle said. "He wanted a little bit of advice and a bit of a sounding board for himself. "[I said) 'I am there for you if you want me to take it to the end of the season and then we will have a little look at it then, I would be prepared to do that'. "I wouldn't do it for any other club for that short period of time. It was just that it is in my DNA. I have loved my time at other clubs, I really have, but being a Spurs supporter since I was eight, going there very young, it is in my blood
Glenn Hoddle's biggest fan is Glenn Hoddle. He'd be a disaster.
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What do people think of Neil Lennon? Just curious...
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What do people think of Neil Lennon? Just curious...
Reminds me of a ginger gorilla
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Hoddle for me. Sherwood has been swerved by a number of clubs for a reason. He's a cock.
He's done nothing since Wolves.
At least he has kept coaching.Less of a gamble than the names.
He's always struck me as someone who absolutely knows the game inside out and has a tactical brain. He might not necessarily keep the dressing room entirely sweet. But I doubt there'd be a turn in the remainder of this season. A temp job with the prospect of taking over, or becoming a DOF here might suit him.
It's a gamble, but as you say, less than some of the others and indeed our only options are going to be complete punts.
We need to strike the balance between finding someone who could turn us around in the short term, and someone who would be well suited for a long term project. It might be that a temporary option would be the way to go now and re-assess in the summer.
If we have to rebuild from the Championship, then we need someone who'll put into place a solid 2-3 year plan. I don't think Hodd would want long term managerial gig. He seems happy as a coach/advisor.
Failing this I'd like to see us try and get someone in to help Marshall and Marshall. Someone experienced. Perhaps SBL might come, or indeed Hoddle if he wasn't open to the top job.
If the options are genuinely thin then we'd be better waiting till the summer and hoping for a miracle in the next 13 games.
He's always struck me that thinks he knows more than he does. Talks the talk, but can't walk the walk.
Just going through his Managerial career. He hasn't done anything of any real worth.
Swindon - Achieved Promotion.
Chelsea - Finished 11th at best.
England - upset the dressing room with his treatment of the players over deciding his World Cup 98 squad, Upset Beckham by announcing publicly his dropping from the Tunisia game. Despite him being one of our best players. Refused to play in-form Owen until it was apparent we needed his goals. Sacked by declaring his religious beliefs.
Southampton - Lasted a year before joining Tottenham
Tottenham - Another Spurs Manager that flattered to decisive. Finished 10th place.
Wolves - Finished 7th. 8 points off the play off-s.
also taken from Wikipedia:
In April 2014 he revealed he had come close to taking over from Andre Villas Boas at Tottenham, before the job was given to Tim Sherwood.
"I did have talks with Daniel Levy and the club," Hoddle said. "He wanted a little bit of advice and a bit of a sounding board for himself. "[I said) 'I am there for you if you want me to take it to the end of the season and then we will have a little look at it then, I would be prepared to do that'. "I wouldn't do it for any other club for that short period of time. It was just that it is in my DNA. I have loved my time at other clubs, I really have, but being a Spurs supporter since I was eight, going there very young, it is in my blood
Glenn Hoddle's biggest fan is Glenn Hoddle. He'd be a disaster.
It would seem we're fishing in a pond full of tosspieces for our next manager.
I'm trying to think back if there was a more uninspiring selection available to us (realistically) in previous managerial change-overs. We obviously had a hell of a lot of positivity toward Lambert, as well as 2-3 other possible options, like OGS which had a hope of potential but of course in retrospect he's since been found out in this league. Before that there was Martinez and MacLaren linked before McLeish came in. Neither particularly inspired much excitement but have both solid enough track records, even if Martinez is suffering second season syndrome at Everton.
It's like going to the Chippy at 5 minutes to closing time fancying a fat piece of Cod only to find they've only got a few stale chips and dried out Spam fritters left.
What's David O' Leary up to these days?
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What do people think of Neil Lennon? Just curious...
No likey
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Kirkby @tranmerekev 16h16 hours ago
Aston Villa are set to name Lenny Henry as their new manager. Apparently it's the only way they'll stay in the Premier.
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No to Lennon thanks, don't like his attitude or his football. If I had a choice I'd be looking at De Boer.
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What do people think of Neil Lennon? Just curious...
Hard to tell given where he managed and the absence of competition but at least he is used to big club pressure (then again, so was Big Eck). Bolton seem all the better for his appointment though.
I wouldn't have cried into my chips if he came a couple of months ago - nor would I have carried him triumphantly on my shoulders - but cant see him leaving Bolton after such a short time.
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All these media experts and ex players all say hoddle is one of the best coaches out there
But they were all saying Lambert was doing a brilliant job too with the money he had spent 😝
Hoddle is part of the punditocracy, they pimp out their mates for every job going.
He was seen as a good coach 15 years ago maybe, not so much recently at QPR.
Facts are Hoddle hasnt managed since 2006 for good reason as his last two gigs were failures.
Id have Alan Curbishley all day ahead of Hoddle......and Im not recommending Curbs by any means
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This is all very depressing isn't it? Like trawling a nightclub at last orders, weighing up a move for the fat knacker, ugly ginger bird or just head for a kebab.
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I suppose Lennon could look like an ugly ginger bint after a few sherbets.
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Hoddle for me. Sherwood has been swerved by a number of clubs for a reason. He's a cock.
He's done nothing since Wolves.
At least he has kept coaching.Less of a gamble than the names.
He's always struck me as someone who absolutely knows the game inside out and has a tactical brain. He might not necessarily keep the dressing room entirely sweet. But I doubt there'd be a turn in the remainder of this season. A temp job with the prospect of taking over, or becoming a DOF here might suit him.
It's a gamble, but as you say, less than some of the others and indeed our only options are going to be complete punts.
We need to strike the balance between finding someone who could turn us around in the short term, and someone who would be well suited for a long term project. It might be that a temporary option would be the way to go now and re-assess in the summer.
If we have to rebuild from the Championship, then we need someone who'll put into place a solid 2-3 year plan. I don't think Hodd would want long term managerial gig. He seems happy as a coach/advisor.
Failing this I'd like to see us try and get someone in to help Marshall and Marshall. Someone experienced. Perhaps SBL might come, or indeed Hoddle if he wasn't open to the top job.
If the options are genuinely thin then we'd be better waiting till the summer and hoping for a miracle in the next 13 games.
He's always struck me that thinks he knows more than he does. Talks the talk, but can't walk the walk.
Just going through his Managerial career. He hasn't done anything of any real worth.
Swindon - Achieved Promotion.
Chelsea - Finished 11th at best.
England - upset the dressing room with his treatment of the players over deciding his World Cup 98 squad, Upset Beckham by announcing publicly his dropping from the Tunisia game. Despite him being one of our best players. Refused to play in-form Owen until it was apparent we needed his goals. Sacked by declaring his religious beliefs.
Southampton - Lasted a year before joining Tottenham
Tottenham - Another Spurs Manager that flattered to decisive. Finished 10th place.
Wolves - Finished 7th. 8 points off the play off-s.
also taken from Wikipedia:
In April 2014 he revealed he had come close to taking over from Andre Villas Boas at Tottenham, before the job was given to Tim Sherwood.
"I did have talks with Daniel Levy and the club," Hoddle said. "He wanted a little bit of advice and a bit of a sounding board for himself. "[I said) 'I am there for you if you want me to take it to the end of the season and then we will have a little look at it then, I would be prepared to do that'. "I wouldn't do it for any other club for that short period of time. It was just that it is in my DNA. I have loved my time at other clubs, I really have, but being a Spurs supporter since I was eight, going there very young, it is in my blood
Glenn Hoddle's biggest fan is Glenn Hoddle. He'd be a disaster.
It would seem we're fishing in a pond full of tosspieces for our next manager.
I'm trying to think back if there was a more uninspiring selection available to us (realistically) in previous managerial change-overs.
Or is it more a case of accepting the information that the media is providing and deciding that it represents the pond?
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Not depressing at all, this is great opportunity for the Villa. Think how depressing it was a few days ago...
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More Spuds thoughts on 'Tactics Tim':
http://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2015/2/13/8031277/aston-villa-manager-tim-sherwood-paul-lambert-tottenham-hotspur
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Just in case this hasn't been spotted - Villa after permanent manager, not interim
http://www.football365.com/news/21554/9712937/Villa-Looking-For-Permanent-Manager-Not-Interim
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More Spuds thoughts on 'Tactics Tim':
http://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2015/2/13/8031277/aston-villa-manager-tim-sherwood-paul-lambert-tottenham-hotspur
Jesus, that is absolutely awul.
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More Spuds thoughts on 'Tactics Tim':
http://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2015/2/13/8031277/aston-villa-manager-tim-sherwood-paul-lambert-tottenham-hotspur
Jesus, that is absolutely awul.
I know right. Have Tom Fox and Paddy Reilly seen this?
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All these media experts and ex players all say hoddle is one of the best coaches out there
But they were all saying Lambert was doing a brilliant job too with the money he had spent
Hoddle is part of the punditocracy, they pimp out their mates for every job going.
He was seen as a good coach 15 years ago maybe, not so much recently at QPR.
Facts are Hoddle hasnt managed since 2006 for good reason as his last two gigs were failures.
Id have Alan Curbishley all day ahead of Hoddle......and Im not recommending Curbs by any means
We need someone that has current premier league experience, knows how to play football and will command respect of the players plus the ability grow one of the best mullets in football (desirable). For me Glenn Hoddle ticks all 4, Curbishley would have been a contender about 3 Villa managers ago but I think he's been out the game too long plus everyone on here dislikes him.
The other option with Hoddle is that at the end of the season he could move to a higher position in the club and we could then get an up and coming coach or a couple of marshalls in under his direction.
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Hoddle for me. Sherwood has been swerved by a number of clubs for a reason. He's a cock.
He's done nothing since Wolves.
At least he has kept coaching.Less of a gamble than the names.
How has the coaching that he's been doing at QPR this season being seen as a positive thing?
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Klinsmann Not Interested in Villa Job (http://www.espnfc.com/barclays-premier-league/story/2297084/united-states-boss-jurgen-klinsmann-not-interested-in-aston-villa-job)
What about if Lerner dangled a £5M carrot to Klinsmann to keep Villa in the PL? Birmingham might look a little sunnier then. Let's face it, Lerner is shit scared of losing £200M of PL money from next year, so £5M in the scale of things would be peanuts.
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More Spuds thoughts on 'Tactics Tim':
http://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2015/2/13/8031277/aston-villa-manager-tim-sherwood-paul-lambert-tottenham-hotspur
Jesus, that is absolutely awul.
Anybody that makes Lambert look like a tactical genius should be avoided.
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Klinsmann Not Interested in Villa Job (http://www.espnfc.com/barclays-premier-league/story/2297084/united-states-boss-jurgen-klinsmann-not-interested-in-aston-villa-job)
What about if Lerner dangled a £5M carrot to Klinsmann to keep Villa in the PL? Birmingham might look a little sunnier then. Let's face it, Lerner is shit scared of losing £200M of PL money from next year, so £5M in the scale of things would be peanuts.
If "offer him enough money and he'd come" worked, every club would do it.
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Hoddle for me. Sherwood has been swerved by a number of clubs for a reason. He's a cock.
He's done nothing since Wolves.
At least he has kept coaching.Less of a gamble than the names.
How has the coaching that he's been doing at QPR this season being seen as a positive thing?
Exactly!!!!
This Is an opportunity to get a forward thinking manager in. I do feel the next appointment needs to be foreign, due to the lack of British coaches doing well in the tier of jobs below us.
I'm confident that a foreign appointment will be the right appointment.
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Why do we need someone with PL experience - Lambert and Warnock had it, Koeman and Pochettino didnt - its means nothing
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Is Sherwood actually being considered? I have my doubts. Any job that comes about; West Brom, Palace, QPR and now us, he gets mentioned.
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thedailymash (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/aston-villa-offer-to-move-to-wherever-new-manager-already-lives-2015021395329)
Aston Villa offer to move to wherever new manager already lives
ASTON Villa have confirmed they are not expecting their new manager to move to Birmingham and are happy to go to him.
The club, who are in the relegation zone, have admitted that it is unreasonable for any boss to be expected to take on the twin miseries of the club and living in the West Midlands.
Chairman Randy Lerner said: Dont let the commuting thing put you off. If youre willing to manage us, well do the rest of the work.
London? No problem. Madrid? Suits us. Florida? Australia? Leicester? Seriously, the way things are, wed consider relocating to Leicester.
In fact, we dont have to be a football club. Maybe we could be a multiplex cinema. Or a go-kart track. Or a carpet warehouse. Up to you.
Were not interviewing for the position. We dont want anyone to have the chance to think twice.
So far, the only activity around the vacancy was Tim Sherwood calling the police after spotting the 42,000-capacity Villa Park lurking in the bushes at the bottom of his drive.
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More Spuds thoughts on 'Tactics Tim':
http://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2015/2/13/8031277/aston-villa-manager-tim-sherwood-paul-lambert-tottenham-hotspur
Jesus, that is absolutely awul.
Anybody that makes Lambert look like a tactical genius should be avoided.
Tim made absolutely no tactical countermoves all match. It was like a chess match in which one player moves his pawns down the board and the other chooses to forfeit his turns instead of play, claiming his pieces need to show more belief in themselves.
Cracking line.
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Imagine the scenario - we beat Leicester and look impressive about it. Would Marshall & Marshall be realistic until the end of the season?
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Is Sherwood actually being considered? I have my doubts. Any job that comes about; West Brom, Palace, QPR and now us, he gets mentioned.
The Brum Mail have even said he's been contacted.
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Imagine the scenario - we beat Leicester and look impressive about it. Would Marshall & Marshall be realistic until the end of the season?
Might be too much of a gamble considering our precarious position.
If we were mid-table I'd feel more comfortable with it.
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Imagine the scenario - we beat Leicester and look impressive about it. Would Marshall & Marshall be realistic until the end of the season?
That's consistent with the argument that these players just need to be lead by someone who is not PL. It certainly could work.
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Imagine the scenario - we beat Leicester and look impressive about it. Would Marshall & Marshall be realistic until the end of the season?
Might be too much of a gamble considering our precarious position.
If we were mid-table I'd feel more comfortable with it.
That's pretty much my take, but we've said for ages that a trained monkey could get more out of this squad than Paul Lambert did.
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More Spuds thoughts on 'Tactics Tim':
http://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2015/2/13/8031277/aston-villa-manager-tim-sherwood-paul-lambert-tottenham-hotspur
Jesus, that is absolutely awul.
Anybody that makes Lambert look like a tactical genius should be avoided.
Tim made absolutely no tactical countermoves all match. It was like a chess match in which one player moves his pawns down the board and the other chooses to forfeit his turns instead of play, claiming his pieces need to show more belief in themselves.
Cracking line.
I like 'if you use the word YOLO in everyday conversation...then Tim is the manager for you.'
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I have no time left for humour at the expense of Birmingham.
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Imagine the scenario - we beat Leicester and look impressive about it. Would Marshall & Marshall be realistic until the end of the season?
I was thinking the same last night. Not saying until the end of the season, but it would afford us a bit more time to make the right appointment. I honestly believe more than it being about the two Marshall's, the team will play with a lot more freedom simply because Lambert isn't there. I expect not just Benteke to be back, but the coaches to take the shackles off this weekend and let them play. Now we know that the good feeling only lasts so long but there might just be enough in the bottle to stretch it out for a couple of weeks. By Stoke I expect us to have someone close to being appointed.
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Why do we need someone with PL experience - Lambert and Warnock had it, Koeman and Pochettino didnt - its means nothing
There are probably a dozen more that have backfired - its very risky plus Koeman had a preseason to settle in. Our new guy will probably have a few days to prepare before Stoke City at Home, someone with knowledge of the current premier league teams must have an advantage over someone who will be living out of a suitcase, have to navigate round the M6 roadworks, learn a different language and during the day manage the expectations of one of the most demanding football clubs in the country.
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I can't see that happening, particularly as those in charge seem to appreciate the need for additional coaching, so would they really stretch the resources of our coaching department even further?
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Imagine the scenario - we beat Leicester and look impressive about it. Would Marshall & Marshall be realistic until the end of the season?
Might be too much of a gamble considering our precarious position.
If we were mid-table I'd feel more comfortable with it.
That's pretty much my take, but we've said for ages that a trained monkey could get more out of this squad than Paul Lambert did.
Scott Marshall now 4th favourite for the gig according to oddschecker, joint 3rd with BetVictor.
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He's always struck me that thinks he knows more than he does. Talks the talk, but can't walk the walk.
Just going through his Managerial career. He hasn't done anything of any real worth.
Swindon - Achieved Promotion.
Chelsea - Finished 11th
England - upset the dressing room with his treatment of the players over deciding his World Cup 98 squad, Upset Beckham by announcing publicly his dropping from the Tunisia game. Despite him being one of our best players. Refused to play in-form Owen until it was apparent we needed his goals. Sacked by declaring his religious beliefs.
Southampton - Lasted a year before joining Tottenham
Tottenham - Finished 10th place.
Wolves - Finished 7th. 8 points off the play offs
also taken from Wikipedia:
In April 2014 he revealed he had come close to taking over from Andre Villas Boas at Tottenham, before the job was given to Tim Sherwood.
"I did have talks with Daniel Levy and the club," Hoddle said. "He wanted a little bit of advice and a bit of a sounding board for himself. "[I said) 'I am there for you if you want me to take it to the end of the season and then we will have a little look at it then, I would be prepared to do that'. "I wouldn't do it for any other club for that short period of time. It was just that it is in my DNA. I have loved my time at other clubs, I really have, but being a Spurs supporter since I was eight, going there very young, it is in my blood
Glenn Hoddle's biggest fan is Glenn Hoddle. He'd be a disaster.
The above is as myopic, churlish and curmudgeonly an assessment of Hoddles career as I have ever seen.
At Swindon, he took a nothing side into the top flight playing fabulous football. A remarkable achievement in itself.
At Chelsea he managed no better than 11th in an era when that was no disgrace for Chelsea, but also took them to an FA Cup final , an FA Cup semi and a CWC semi.
For England, his win ratio is bettered only by Sir Alf and Capello, and we qualified for finals tournaments.
At Saints he saved them from relegation ending a creditable tenth when he left.
At Spurs he reached a LC final and improved on the previous league finish- just.
Wolves didnt work out- but he is in good company there.
I am not suggesting that Hoddle is in the managerial elite now- but we are not dining off that table.
He does know what the PL is about, at Swindon he showed he has what it takes to get a side out of the second tier ( which we may well need) the England job gives him credibility, at Chelsea and Spurs he showed talent in the Cups and hopefully he will have learned from the Wolves experience. More recently his time at QPR means he knows what a relegation dog fight looks like, a battle he won with Saints.
It is difficult to see anyone else with anything like those credentials being available. No-one comes with a satisfaction guaranteed stamp, but if you think he would be a disaster, wait for a few other names.
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Imagine the scenario - we beat Leicester and look impressive about it. Would Marshall & Marshall be realistic until the end of the season?
Might be too much of a gamble considering our precarious position.
If we were mid-table I'd feel more comfortable with it.
That's pretty much my take, but we've said for ages that a trained monkey could get more out of this squad than Paul Lambert did.
Presumably Lambert wasn't coaching and managing the team in a vacuum? The Marshalls must have had some sort of input into what we've seen for the last few months.
But I'd definitely take them over Sherwood or Hoddle.
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Imagine the scenario - we beat Leicester and look impressive about it. Would Marshall & Marshall be realistic until the end of the season?
No. Not for me. You play with Fire you get burnt.
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I think we had better start getting used to the idea that it's going to be Sherwood.
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Imagine the scenario - we beat Leicester and look impressive about it. Would Marshall & Marshall be realistic until the end of the season?
No.
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Let's not forget what happened with Kevin McDonald whose first match came days after Martin O'Neill 'parted company'...
Game 1: Aston Villa 3 - 0 West Ham (Exciting Attacking football!)
Game 2: Rapid Wien 1-1 Aston Villa
Game 3: Newcastle 6-0 Aston Villa
Game 4: Aston Villa 2-3 Rapid Wien (out of Europa League - the last time we tasted European football)
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Imagine the scenario - we beat Leicester and look impressive about it. Would Marshall & Marshall be realistic until the end of the season?
Might be too much of a gamble considering our precarious position.
If we were mid-table I'd feel more comfortable with it.
That's pretty much my take, but we've said for ages that a trained monkey could get more out of this squad than Paul Lambert did.
Presumably Lambert wasn't coaching and managing the team in a vacuum? The Marshalls must have had some sort of input into what we've seen for the last few months.
But I'd definitely take them over Sherwood or Hoddle.
It would be madness. It needs a new manager, even if only short term, to shake things up. Where is the evidence that any of the current staff have any more idea than Lambert did?
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Let's not forget what happened with Kevin McDonald whose first match came days after Martin O'Neill 'parted company'...
Game 1: Aston Villa 3 - 0 West Ham (Exciting Attacking football!)
Game 2: Rapid Wien 1-1 Aston Villa
Game 3: Newcastle 6-0 Aston Villa
Game 4: Aston Villa 2-3 Rapid Wien (out of Europa League - the last time we tasted European football)
Exactly my fear.
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Imagine the scenario - we beat Leicester and look impressive about it. Would Marshall & Marshall be realistic until the end of the season?
Might be too much of a gamble considering our precarious position.
If we were mid-table I'd feel more comfortable with it.
That's pretty much my take, but we've said for ages that a trained monkey could get more out of this squad than Paul Lambert did.
Presumably Lambert wasn't coaching and managing the team in a vacuum? The Marshalls must have had some sort of input into what we've seen for the last few months.
But I'd definitely take them over Sherwood or Hoddle.
you have to wonder though how much of Lambert's fear of losing overwhelmed all of the decisions he made? Not saying the other coaches aren't a part of the issue sometimes it takes something as radical as a managerial dismissal to allow the oxygen to flow again. We are talking about a man who couldn't keep his assistants and you to believe by the end so paranoid that couldn't hire his third assistant in three years. That he was in a position to be hiring his third assistant in three years is ludicrous in itself.
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He's always struck me that thinks he knows more than he does. Talks the talk, but can't walk the walk.
Just going through his Managerial career. He hasn't done anything of any real worth.
Swindon - Achieved Promotion.
Chelsea - Finished 11th
England - upset the dressing room with his treatment of the players over deciding his World Cup 98 squad, Upset Beckham by announcing publicly his dropping from the Tunisia game. Despite him being one of our best players. Refused to play in-form Owen until it was apparent we needed his goals. Sacked by declaring his religious beliefs.
Southampton - Lasted a year before joining Tottenham
Tottenham - Finished 10th place.
Wolves - Finished 7th. 8 points off the play offs
also taken from Wikipedia:
In April 2014 he revealed he had come close to taking over from Andre Villas Boas at Tottenham, before the job was given to Tim Sherwood.
"I did have talks with Daniel Levy and the club," Hoddle said. "He wanted a little bit of advice and a bit of a sounding board for himself. "[I said) 'I am there for you if you want me to take it to the end of the season and then we will have a little look at it then, I would be prepared to do that'. "I wouldn't do it for any other club for that short period of time. It was just that it is in my DNA. I have loved my time at other clubs, I really have, but being a Spurs supporter since I was eight, going there very young, it is in my blood
Glenn Hoddle's biggest fan is Glenn Hoddle. He'd be a disaster.
The above is as myopic, churlish and curmudgeonly an assessment of Hoddles career as I have ever seen.
At Swindon, he took a nothing side into the top flight playing fabulous football. A remarkable achievement in itself.
At Chelsea he managed no better than 11th in an era when that was no disgrace for Chelsea, but also took them to an FA Cup final , an FA Cup semi and a CWC semi.
For England, his win ratio is bettered only by Sir Alf and Capello, and we qualified for finals tournaments.
At Saints he saved them from relegation ending a creditable tenth when he left.
At Spurs he reached a LC final and improved on the previous league finish- just.
Wolves didnt work out- but he is in good company there.
I am not suggesting that Hoddle is in the managerial elite now- but we are not dining off that table.
He does know what the PL is about, at Swindon he showed he has what it takes to get a side out of the second tier ( which we may well need) the England job gives him credibility, at Chelsea and Spurs he showed talent in the Cups and hopefully he will have learned from the Wolves experience. More recently his time at QPR means he knows what a relegation dog fight looks like, a battle he won with Saints.
It is difficult to see anyone else with anything like those credentials being available. No-one comes with a satisfaction guaranteed stamp, but if you think he would be a disaster, wait for a few other names.
This is the line that rules him out: "He does know what the PL is about"
He's always struck me that thinks he knows more than he does. Talks the talk, but can't walk the walk.
Just going through his Managerial career. He hasn't done anything of any real worth.
Swindon - Achieved Promotion.
Chelsea - Finished 11th
England - upset the dressing room with his treatment of the players over deciding his World Cup 98 squad, Upset Beckham by announcing publicly his dropping from the Tunisia game. Despite him being one of our best players. Refused to play in-form Owen until it was apparent we needed his goals. Sacked by declaring his religious beliefs.
Southampton - Lasted a year before joining Tottenham
Tottenham - Finished 10th place.
Wolves - Finished 7th. 8 points off the play offs
also taken from Wikipedia:
In April 2014 he revealed he had come close to taking over from Andre Villas Boas at Tottenham, before the job was given to Tim Sherwood.
"I did have talks with Daniel Levy and the club," Hoddle said. "He wanted a little bit of advice and a bit of a sounding board for himself. "[I said) 'I am there for you if you want me to take it to the end of the season and then we will have a little look at it then, I would be prepared to do that'. "I wouldn't do it for any other club for that short period of time. It was just that it is in my DNA. I have loved my time at other clubs, I really have, but being a Spurs supporter since I was eight, going there very young, it is in my blood
Glenn Hoddle's biggest fan is Glenn Hoddle. He'd be a disaster.
The above is as myopic, churlish and curmudgeonly an assessment of Hoddles career as I have ever seen.
At Swindon, he took a nothing side into the top flight playing fabulous football. A remarkable achievement in itself.
At Chelsea he managed no better than 11th in an era when that was no disgrace for Chelsea, but also took them to an FA Cup final , an FA Cup semi and a CWC semi.
For England, his win ratio is bettered only by Sir Alf and Capello, and we qualified for finals tournaments.
At Saints he saved them from relegation ending a creditable tenth when he left.
At Spurs he reached a LC final and improved on the previous league finish- just.
Wolves didnt work out- but he is in good company there.
I am not suggesting that Hoddle is in the managerial elite now- but we are not dining off that table.
He does know what the PL is about, at Swindon he showed he has what it takes to get a side out of the second tier ( which we may well need) the England job gives him credibility, at Chelsea and Spurs he showed talent in the Cups and hopefully he will have learned from the Wolves experience. More recently his time at QPR means he knows what a relegation dog fight looks like, a battle he won with Saints.
It is difficult to see anyone else with anything like those credentials being available. No-one comes with a satisfaction guaranteed stamp, but if you think he would be a disaster, wait for a few other names.
Appointing Glenn Hoddle is a huge backwards step. I would actually rather have Paul Lambert. There I've said it, and I mean it.
We have the opportunity to explore the continent and appoint an exciting young manager with fresh ideas.
Appointing Hoddle will set us back to the days of DOL. He's yesterdays man.
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He's always struck me that thinks he knows more than he does. Talks the talk, but can't walk the walk.
Just going through his Managerial career. He hasn't done anything of any real worth.
Swindon - Achieved Promotion.
Chelsea - Finished 11th
England - upset the dressing room with his treatment of the players over deciding his World Cup 98 squad, Upset Beckham by announcing publicly his dropping from the Tunisia game. Despite him being one of our best players. Refused to play in-form Owen until it was apparent we needed his goals. Sacked by declaring his religious beliefs.
Southampton - Lasted a year before joining Tottenham
Tottenham - Finished 10th place.
Wolves - Finished 7th. 8 points off the play offs
also taken from Wikipedia:
In April 2014 he revealed he had come close to taking over from Andre Villas Boas at Tottenham, before the job was given to Tim Sherwood.
"I did have talks with Daniel Levy and the club," Hoddle said. "He wanted a little bit of advice and a bit of a sounding board for himself. "[I said) 'I am there for you if you want me to take it to the end of the season and then we will have a little look at it then, I would be prepared to do that'. "I wouldn't do it for any other club for that short period of time. It was just that it is in my DNA. I have loved my time at other clubs, I really have, but being a Spurs supporter since I was eight, going there very young, it is in my blood
Glenn Hoddle's biggest fan is Glenn Hoddle. He'd be a disaster.
The above is as myopic, churlish and curmudgeonly an assessment of Hoddles career as I have ever seen.
At Swindon, he took a nothing side into the top flight playing fabulous football. A remarkable achievement in itself.
At Chelsea he managed no better than 11th in an era when that was no disgrace for Chelsea, but also took them to an FA Cup final , an FA Cup semi and a CWC semi.
For England, his win ratio is bettered only by Sir Alf and Capello, and we qualified for finals tournaments.
At Saints he saved them from relegation ending a creditable tenth when he left.
At Spurs he reached a LC final and improved on the previous league finish- just.
Wolves didnt work out- but he is in good company there.
I am not suggesting that Hoddle is in the managerial elite now- but we are not dining off that table.
He does know what the PL is about, at Swindon he showed he has what it takes to get a side out of the second tier ( which we may well need) the England job gives him credibility, at Chelsea and Spurs he showed talent in the Cups and hopefully he will have learned from the Wolves experience. More recently his time at QPR means he knows what a relegation dog fight looks like, a battle he won with Saints.
It is difficult to see anyone else with anything like those credentials being available. No-one comes with a satisfaction guaranteed stamp, but if you think he would be a disaster, wait for a few other names.
Agree with you
He would also get the immediate respect of the players.
Far better than Sherwood who has no track record whatsoever
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For all the positives you can come up with for Hoddle the simple counter is that he's fucking vile and his appointment would instantly piss off a section of the support. The last thing we need is a manager who is disliked by many before he's even signed the contract.
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Imagine the scenario - we beat Leicester and look impressive about it. Would Marshall & Marshall be realistic until the end of the season?
Not for me, it would remind a bit too much of Kmac's brief reign. Leicester are a poor side and we may improve now Lambert isn't about, but both Marshalls have been involved with this team for a while now.
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He's always struck me that thinks he knows more than he does. Talks the talk, but can't walk the walk.
Just going through his Managerial career. He hasn't done anything of any real worth.
Swindon - Achieved Promotion.
Chelsea - Finished 11th
England - upset the dressing room with his treatment of the players over deciding his World Cup 98 squad, Upset Beckham by announcing publicly his dropping from the Tunisia game. Despite him being one of our best players. Refused to play in-form Owen until it was apparent we needed his goals. Sacked by declaring his religious beliefs.
Southampton - Lasted a year before joining Tottenham
Tottenham - Finished 10th place.
Wolves - Finished 7th. 8 points off the play offs
also taken from Wikipedia:
In April 2014 he revealed he had come close to taking over from Andre Villas Boas at Tottenham, before the job was given to Tim Sherwood.
"I did have talks with Daniel Levy and the club," Hoddle said. "He wanted a little bit of advice and a bit of a sounding board for himself. "[I said) 'I am there for you if you want me to take it to the end of the season and then we will have a little look at it then, I would be prepared to do that'. "I wouldn't do it for any other club for that short period of time. It was just that it is in my DNA. I have loved my time at other clubs, I really have, but being a Spurs supporter since I was eight, going there very young, it is in my blood
Glenn Hoddle's biggest fan is Glenn Hoddle. He'd be a disaster.
The above is as myopic, churlish and curmudgeonly an assessment of Hoddles career as I have ever seen.
At Swindon, he took a nothing side into the top flight playing fabulous football. A remarkable achievement in itself.
At Chelsea he managed no better than 11th in an era when that was no disgrace for Chelsea, but also took them to an FA Cup final , an FA Cup semi and a CWC semi.
For England, his win ratio is bettered only by Sir Alf and Capello, and we qualified for finals tournaments.
At Saints he saved them from relegation ending a creditable tenth when he left.
At Spurs he reached a LC final and improved on the previous league finish- just.
Wolves didnt work out- but he is in good company there.
I am not suggesting that Hoddle is in the managerial elite now- but we are not dining off that table.
He does know what the PL is about, at Swindon he showed he has what it takes to get a side out of the second tier ( which we may well need) the England job gives him credibility, at Chelsea and Spurs he showed talent in the Cups and hopefully he will have learned from the Wolves experience. More recently his time at QPR means he knows what a relegation dog fight looks like, a battle he won with Saints.
It is difficult to see anyone else with anything like those credentials being available. No-one comes with a satisfaction guaranteed stamp, but if you think he would be a disaster, wait for a few other names.
Agree with you
He would also get the immediate respect of the players.
Far better than Sherwood who has no track record whatsoever
Hoddle would get the immediate respect of people of a certain generation, for sure, but I doubt very much he would get the whole-hearted respect of modern day Premier League players in the here and now. What impact did he make at QPR recently? He's yesterday's man and would represent a cheap and rather desperate appointment in my view.
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According to Sunderland chums, Poyet may be on the verge of walking. If not now, in summer. Fed up with underperforming overpaid squad and unfortunately thinks Sunderland fans are living in the past.
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I think we had better start getting used to the idea that it's going to be Sherwood.
Not necessarily. The strong rumour i'm hearing is Gareth Southgate.
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Not a fan of Poyet
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Fed up with underperforming overpaid squad and unfortunately thinks...fans are living in the past.
He's not going to be attracted to coming here then!
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According to Sunderland chums, Poyet may be on the verge of walking. If not now, in summer. Fed up with underperforming overpaid squad and unfortunately thinks Sunderland fans are living in the past.
Lambert lost 8-0 to Chelsea. A team costing hundreds of millions more than the side we put put that day. Poyet lost this season by the same score to Southampton, a team with a new manager having sold a number of their best players. I don't he's as ace as was once being reported.
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I think we had better start getting used to the idea that it's going to be Sherwood.
Not necessarily. The strong rumour i'm hearing is Gareth Southgate.
He's done an excellent job with the U21s and I wouldn't be too unhappy with him.
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I think we had better start getting used to the idea that it's going to be Sherwood.
Not necessarily. The strong rumour i'm hearing is Gareth Southgate.
I'd love to see Southgate brought in but as a number 2 to a foreign coach/manager. That would certainly be my target.
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I think Southgate could work, especially if we get a Director of Football.
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I think Southgate could work, especially if we get a Director of Football.
I would have thought he'd be the Director of Football.
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I think Southgate could work, especially if we get a Director of Football.
I would have thought he'd be the Director of Football.
I think we'll have a very different job description for the DoF now that Lambert's gone.
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Imagine the scenario - we beat Leicester and look impressive about it. Would Marshall & Marshall be realistic until the end of the season?
Might be too much of a gamble considering our precarious position.
If we were mid-table I'd feel more comfortable with it.
That's pretty much my take, but we've said for ages that a trained monkey could get more out of this squad than Paul Lambert did.
I'd rather go with that than bring Sherwood in (on any sort of basis).
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Paddy Power reckons Sherwood is out of the running.
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Paddy Power reckons Sherwood is out of the running.
Really? Don't tease me, I can't find that anywhere.
Not that bookies know anything, obviously. That could just be a ploy to get people to bet on other candidates. Paddy Power are obviously unreliable.
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Paddy Power reckons Sherwood is out of the running.
Oh I hope that's right
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I don't think it will be Sherwood, because if it was going to be I think he'd already be in place.
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Just in case this hasn't been spotted - Villa after permanent manager, not interim
http://www.football365.com/news/21554/9712937/Villa-Looking-For-Permanent-Manager-Not-Interim
It's OK, it starts with "Sky Sports understands".
File just after H.C. Andersen and Grimm (bros)
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Paddy Power reckons Sherwood is out of the running.
Oh I hope that's right
You and me both, Des.
You can get 66/1 on Cesare Prandelli.
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If we put in a good show at the weekend, I would be tempted to stick with Marshall and Marshall until the season is over. At the end of the day we wont need someone for the long term right now, we need a fixer to get us over the line. If they are the answer then fine, we can sort out the next step in the closed season.
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Paddy Power reckons Sherwood is out of the running.
Really? Don't tease me, I can't find that anywhere.
Not that bookies know anything, obviously. That could just be a ploy to get people to bet on other candidates. Paddy Power are obviously unreliable.
I assume it is driven off the suggestion that the board don't want to make a short term solution hire. Because I'd be surprised if being linked with Tim Sherwood with an eye to appointing him is for any more than the balance of the season.
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If we put in a good show at the weekend, I would be tempted to stick with Marshall and Marshall until the season is over. At the end of the day we wont need someone for the long term right now, we need a fixer to get us over the line. If they are the answer then fine, we can sort out the next step in the closed season.
I certainly wouldn't make that decision based on one game in the FA Cup. It might buy us a little more time, but we need a permanent solution with a new approach.
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I'm sticking a fiver on Southgate tonight.
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If we put in a good show at the weekend, I would be tempted to stick with Marshall and Marshall until the season is over. At the end of the day we wont need someone for the long term right now, we need a fixer to get us over the line. If they are the answer then fine, we can sort out the next step in the closed season.
I certainly wouldn't make that decision based on one game in the FA Cup. It might buy us a little more time, but we need a permanent solution with a new approach.
What concerns me is that there was a considerable amount of noise about Lambert getting a decent coach to help him given that we seem to have the players but not the coaching. To think that the coaches Lambert did have can now put the house in order doesn't ring true.
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I think we had better start getting used to the idea that it's going to be Sherwood.
Not necessarily. The strong rumour i'm hearing is Gareth Southgate.
If it's between the two it's a no brainer, which is apt in Sherwood's case.
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From the press conference:
Scott Marshall had never done a press conference before and looked uncomfortable.
He took training this morning with Andy Marshall, Gordon Cowans and Stuart Taylor.
Scott Marshall has been in touch with Paul Lambert, who he worked with at Norwich, and still calls him his boss.
He insisted the players were behind Lambert right to the end and were disappointed over his exit.
Marshall plays down job chances
Scott Marshall is hoping for a short-term stint in the dugout.
The caretaker boss said he was willing to help the club out, but remains loyal to Lambert.
He gave no indication that he wanted the job on a full-time basis.
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Southgate as I said is bright enough. Good coaching team with him and I think he could work out. But it would be a big gamble.
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If we put in a good show at the weekend, I would be tempted to stick with Marshall and Marshall until the season is over. At the end of the day we wont need someone for the long term right now, we need a fixer to get us over the line. If they are the answer then fine, we can sort out the next step in the closed season.
I certainly wouldn't make that decision based on one game in the FA Cup. It might buy us a little more time, but we need a permanent solution with a new approach.
Agree, TV. I don't quite get the short-term thing. Is what people are asking for some kind of one-trick, relegation-defying gunslinger who'd be willing to come from wherever he is, to us, on a 3-month contract, then simply ride off into the sunset, no questions asked? I'm struggling to think of a precedent. Pulis is local these days, maybe he could double up?
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Imagine the scenario - we beat Leicester and look impressive about it. Would Marshall & Marshall be realistic until the end of the season?
Given I cannot think of a *single* name who I think could instantly maximise our return for the rest of the season AND I would like to see as manager in August (be it Premier League or Championship), then why not ?
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I'm sticking a fiver on Southgate tonight.
I have done similar.
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Imagine the scenario - we beat Leicester and look impressive about it. Would Marshall & Marshall be realistic until the end of the season?
Given I cannot think of a *single* name who I think could instantly maximise our return for the rest of the season AND I would like to see as manager in August (be it Premier League or Championship), then why not ?
Tell you one thing, though.
I remember a while back, a certain well known fanzine impresario - let's call him Dave W - said on here that he knew (as in actually knew) that Solksjaer was their first choice back when Lambert eventually got the job.
I wonder if they're thinking of going back to him? Despite the bad stuff that has happened in the meantime, obviously?
Think about it. Was once first choice. Is instantly available. Has already been interviewed at some length. Has now also managed in the top flight. The fact that he has already been relegated from the top flight even adds a bit more to the possibility, as it fits in with Lerner's penchant for mental appointments.
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Genuine question. Why such animosity to Tim Sherwood?
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If we put in a good show at the weekend, I would be tempted to stick with Marshall and Marshall until the season is over. At the end of the day we won’t need someone for the long term right now, we need a fixer to get us over the line. If they are the answer then fine, we can sort out the next step in the closed season.
I certainly wouldn't make that decision based on one game in the FA Cup. It might buy us a little more time, but we need a permanent solution with a new approach.
I agree and one good performance can be misleading, just see K-Mac's reign.
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Southgate as I said is bright enough. Good coaching team with him and I think he could work out. But it would be a big gamble.
Southgate boss, Ian Taylor assistant.
Although not sure how welcome Taylor is with the board.
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Imagine the scenario - we beat Leicester and look impressive about it. Would Marshall & Marshall be realistic until the end of the season?
Given I cannot think of a *single* name who I think could instantly maximise our return for the rest of the season AND I would like to see as manager in August (be it Premier League or Championship), then why not ?
Tell you one thing, though.
I remember a while back, a certain well known fanzine impresario - let's call him Dave W - said on here that he knew (as in actually knew) that Solksjaer was their first choice back when Lambert eventually got the job.
I wonder if they're thinking of going back to him? Despite the bad stuff that has happened in the meantime, obviously?
Think about it. Was once first choice. Is instantly available. Has already been interviewed at some length. Has now also managed in the top flight. The fact that he has already been relegated from the top flight even adds a bit more to the possibility, as it fits in with Lerner's penchant for mental appointments.
hmmm.............can a mod change my name back to aev pl ?
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Genuine question. Why such animosity to Tim Sherwood?
http://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2015/2/13/8031277/aston-villa-manager-tim-sherwood-paul-lambert-tottenham-hotspur
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Genuine question. Why such animosity to Tim Sherwood?
Because he's a massive knob end with nothing in his short record to suggest he can come in, turn a failing big club around and make it great again.
see the article linked a couple of pages back for more info.
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Also this one: http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/desperate-times-call-for-tim-sherwood
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Imagine the scenario - we beat Leicester and look impressive about it. Would Marshall & Marshall be realistic until the end of the season?
Given I cannot think of a *single* name who I think could instantly maximise our return for the rest of the season AND I would like to see as manager in August (be it Premier League or Championship), then why not ?
Tell you one thing, though.
I remember a while back, a certain well known fanzine impresario - let's call him Dave W - said on here that he knew (as in actually knew) that Solksjaer was their first choice back when Lambert eventually got the job.
I wonder if they're thinking of going back to him? Despite the bad stuff that has happened in the meantime, obviously?
Think about it. Was once first choice. Is instantly available. Has already been interviewed at some length. Has now also managed in the top flight. The fact that he has already been relegated from the top flight even adds a bit more to the possibility, as it fits in with Lerner's penchant for mental appointments.
but surely isn't all that tempered by the fact that he had a go at the PL level, and completely flamed out? Before nobody had a clue what OGS was capable of. Maybe now they will also look at it as a bullet dodged. Plus Faulkner is no longer at the club, so it would only be Randy that might have any affinity to the previous attempt to get him.
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Southgate as I said is bright enough. Good coaching team with him and I think he could work out. But it would be a big gamble.
Southgate boss, Ian Taylor assistant.
Only if we're relegated. Right now we should aim high; Prandelli boss, Southgate assistant.
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Southgate as I said is bright enough. Good coaching team with him and I think he could work out. But it would be a big gamble.
Southgate boss, Ian Taylor assistant.
Although not sure how welcome Taylor is with the board.
Taylor as assistant? no thanks. He's never indicated any sort of ambition to be a coach.
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Imagine the scenario - we beat Leicester and look impressive about it. Would Marshall & Marshall be realistic until the end of the season?
Given I cannot think of a *single* name who I think could instantly maximise our return for the rest of the season AND I would like to see as manager in August (be it Premier League or Championship), then why not ?
Tell you one thing, though.
I remember a while back, a certain well known fanzine impresario - let's call him Dave W - said on here that he knew (as in actually knew) that Solksjaer was their first choice back when Lambert eventually got the job.
I wonder if they're thinking of going back to him? Despite the bad stuff that has happened in the meantime, obviously?
Think about it. Was once first choice. Is instantly available. Has already been interviewed at some length. Has now also managed in the top flight. The fact that he has already been relegated from the top flight even adds a bit more to the possibility, as it fits in with Lerner's penchant for mental appointments.
but surely isn't all that tempered by the fact that he had a go at the PL level, and completely flamed out? Before nobody had a clue what OGS was capable of. Maybe now they will also look at it as a bullet dodged. Plus Faulkner is no longer at the club, so it would only be Randy that might have any affinity to the previous attempt to get him.
Cardiff City are the epitome of "be careful what you wish for" when people say our owner needs to get more involved.
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Genuine question. Why such animosity to Tim Sherwood?
http://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2015/2/13/8031277/aston-villa-manager-tim-sherwood-paul-lambert-tottenham-hotspur
I'm blaming Lambert; had he made me want to watch MOTD more often, I would have been aware of such.
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Imagine the scenario - we beat Leicester and look impressive about it. Would Marshall & Marshall be realistic until the end of the season?
Given I cannot think of a *single* name who I think could instantly maximise our return for the rest of the season AND I would like to see as manager in August (be it Premier League or Championship), then why not ?
Tell you one thing, though.
I remember a while back, a certain well known fanzine impresario - let's call him Dave W - said on here that he knew (as in actually knew) that Solksjaer was their first choice back when Lambert eventually got the job.
I wonder if they're thinking of going back to him? Despite the bad stuff that has happened in the meantime, obviously?
Think about it. Was once first choice. Is instantly available. Has already been interviewed at some length. Has now also managed in the top flight. The fact that he has already been relegated from the top flight even adds a bit more to the possibility, as it fits in with Lerner's penchant for mental appointments.
but surely isn't all that tempered by the fact that he had a go at the PL level, and completely flamed out? Before nobody had a clue what OGS was capable of. Maybe now they will also look at it as a bullet dodged. Plus Faulkner is no longer at the club, so it would only be Randy that might have any affinity to the previous attempt to get him.
Yes, hence the last bit I posted.
Faulkner is gone but Lerner is still fecking nuts, and he's going to be the one making the ultimate call.
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Genuine question. Why such animosity to Tim Sherwood?
http://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2015/2/13/8031277/aston-villa-manager-tim-sherwood-paul-lambert-tottenham-hotspur
I'm blaming Lambert; had he made me want to watch MOTD more often, I would have been aware of such.
Is MOTD still on then?
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Faulkner is gone but Lerner is still fecking nuts, and he's going to be the one making the ultimate call.
He's not though really is he? Fox is responsible and Fox will tell Lerner who he wants as manager. I don't for a minute think Lerner will disagree with him. A completely different set up to the Faulkner days.
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Southgate as I said is bright enough. Good coaching team with him and I think he could work out. But it would be a big gamble.
Southgate boss, Ian Taylor assistant.
Although not sure how welcome Taylor is with the board.
Taylor as assistant? no thanks. He's never indicated any sort of ambition to be a coach.
If Southgate gets the job, which I find unlikely. I think he'd need somebody with a bit of character to interact with the players. He comes across as a little...meek?
That was my thinking with Taylor...not necessarily as coach.
John Gregory had his sidekicks - was it Harrison?
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I'd be very very disappointed if it's Southgate. Nice bloke, mediocre record. Would be a poor choice and not what I think is required at all.
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We have to find someone on the way up, ambitious and eager to learn and improve themselves. Too many clubs over the years have turned to "names" but have invariably found themselves appointing someone who has already peaked, think they know-it-all and are set in their ways. The top guys like Ferguson, Mourinho, Guadiola are exceptional in that they are never satisfied and winning things make them hungrier - but there are very few like them.
I'd say the majority of managers who have reached the top of their profession (ie national team boss) tend to see the rest of their career as cashing in with short term highly paid jobs they're rarely successful in.
We've had many managers for whom the Villa job is the pinnacle of their career, what we need now is someone who the very top clubs will be chasing in a couple of years time.
So for me that means crossing off the likes of Hoddle, Prandelli and Benitez. Klinsmann seems happy with the good life so fair play to him, but he's probably content with his lot. Sam Allardyce has always been driven to prove people wrong about him and he deserves the plaudits he's now getting, but will it ever get any better for him? Sherwood's just a twat who will end up telling everyone in the media what a good manager he would have been, had anyone been daft enough to offer him a job.
We're trusting Paddy Reilly to do his homework thoroughly and Tom Fox to back his judgement - the time is right for someone out there.
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I've stuck £5.00 on Southgate. Wonder if he'd bring Ugo with him? He's Spurs U-21 boss.
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I think Southgate could work, especially if we get a Director of Football.
I would have thought he'd be the Director of Football.
Agree with that and would be pretty happy too.
Maybe he'd be the manager for the next 13 games (plus the cup run of course) and assume a DoF role in the summer when you'd imagine one of the up and coming coaches would be available: Karanka/Clement/Howe, maybe even McLaren would work under his DoFship.
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I've put money on Southgate also
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Today I'm going for Mike Bassett (bags of international experience) as director of football with head coach Roger Webb , always thought he had a rough time of it at Earls Park F.C.
Deffo get good odds at the bookies.
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Southgate as boss with Gaizka Mendieta as assistant. You heard it here first.
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Genuine question. Why such animosity to Tim Sherwood?
It's the bodywarmer for me. It's a straight choice - suit or tracksuit. Some one rocking anything else on the touchline can't be trusted.
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If we appointed someone over the weekend, the sensible thing to do would be to get them DVDs of all our matches this season to get them up to speed with how we play.
Problem is, they'd hang themselves before the week was out. Imagine having to watch that.
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Imagine the scenario - we beat Leicester and look impressive about it. Would Marshall & Marshall be realistic until the end of the season?
Given I cannot think of a *single* name who I think could instantly maximise our return for the rest of the season AND I would like to see as manager in August (be it Premier League or Championship), then why not ?
Tell you one thing, though.
I remember a while back, a certain well known fanzine impresario - let's call him Dave W - said on here that he knew (as in actually knew) that Solksjaer was their first choice back when Lambert eventually got the job.
I wonder if they're thinking of going back to him? Despite the bad stuff that has happened in the meantime, obviously?
Think about it. Was once first choice. Is instantly available. Has already been interviewed at some length. Has now also managed in the top flight. The fact that he has already been relegated from the top flight even adds a bit more to the possibility, as it fits in with Lerner's penchant for mental appointments.
but surely isn't all that tempered by the fact that he had a go at the PL level, and completely flamed out? Before nobody had a clue what OGS was capable of. Maybe now they will also look at it as a bullet dodged. Plus Faulkner is no longer at the club, so it would only be Randy that might have any affinity to the previous attempt to get him.
Yes, hence the last bit I posted.
Faulkner is gone but Lerner is still fecking nuts, and he's going to be the one making the ultimate call.
Is he? Wouldn't Lambert still be in charge if that was the case?
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If we appointed someone over the weekend, the sensible thing to do would be to get them DVDs of all our matches this season to get them up to speed with how we play.
Problem is, they'd hang themselves before the week was out. Imagine having to watch that.
the season goals DVD would finish before the hot water had boiled for his cup of tea.
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Today I'm going for Mike Bassett (bags of international experience) as director of football with head coach Roger Webb , always thought he had a rough time of it at Earls Park F.C.
Deffo get good odds at the bookies.
How about Gabrielle Benson, aka The Manageress?
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How about Gabrielle Benson, aka The Manageress?
Oh yes please, a million times yes.
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Genuine question. Why such animosity to Tim Sherwood?
It's the bodywarmer for me. It's a straight choice - suit or tracksuit. Some one rocking anything else on the touchline can't be trusted.
I hadn't considered that, definitely off my list now. That's the problem with the whole deal, most managers are massive twats and you can find a reason to reject all of them.
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Genuine question. Why such animosity to Tim Sherwood?
It's the bodywarmer for me. It's a straight choice - suit or tracksuit. Some one rocking anything else on the touchline can't be trusted.
I hadn't considered that, definitely off my list now. That's the problem with the whole deal, most managers are massive twats and you can find a reason to reject all of them.
I was about to say I bet there is not one that everyone would be happy with.
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I'm not sure why everyone's so anti-Sherwood. I think he makes a really good job of presenting ITV's 'The Chase', personally.
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Curiously Shay Given is only 10-1 with PaddyPower..up to 33-1 elsewhere. Curbishley seems to be getting the money across the board. Sherwood 1-3 odds on.. Nooo! Southgate preferable.
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If we appointed someone over the weekend, the sensible thing to do would be to get them DVDs of all our matches this season to get them up to speed with how we play.
Problem is, they'd hang themselves before the week was out. Imagine having to watch that.
Maybe we could just edit a highlights edition? Good throw ins, coin tosses won, attempted passes...
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Ladies and Gentlemen, we have arrived at Ground Zero...all change here please
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/sol-campbell-throws-hat-ring-aston-villa-job-instagram-post/?
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I watched Spurs a couple of time under Sherwood, and they came across as a confused team without a proper game plan. Not unlike a certain team under a certain other manager. Not sure what he brings to the table.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, we have arrived at Ground Zero...all change here please
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/sol-campbell-throws-hat-ring-aston-villa-job-instagram-post/?
Oh.
Dear.
God.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, we have arrived at Ground Zero...all change here please
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/sol-campbell-throws-hat-ring-aston-villa-job-instagram-post/?
Oh.
Dear.
God.
Paul! Paul! Come back!! That whole "sacking" thing was just a misunderstanding!
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Ladies and Gentlemen, we have arrived at Ground Zero...all change here please
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/sol-campbell-throws-hat-ring-aston-villa-job-instagram-post/?
Oh.
Dear.
God.
Paul! Paul! Come back!! That whole "sacking" thing was just a misunderstanding!
Can we pass it off as an early April Fools??
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Amongst all the things that have come out in the last couple of days , the thing that has struck me most is the affection and passion shown for the club by past players.If the present bunch had shown as much passion for the shirt then Lambert may have stood a better chance.
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Genuine question. Why such animosity to Tim Sherwood?
It's the bodywarmer for me. It's a straight choice - suit or tracksuit. Some one rocking anything else on the touchline can't be trusted.
Trench coat?
could be the order of the day at VP
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I suppose if (when) he doesn't get the job, he will blame it on politics like he did when he didn't get named England captain when there were better candidates.
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Genuine question. Why such animosity to Tim Sherwood?
It's the bodywarmer for me. It's a straight choice - suit or tracksuit. Some one rocking anything else on the touchline can't be trusted.
Trench coat?
could be the order of the day at VP
I always thought Sherwood was trying to introduce a Binman Chic look to the dugout when he rocked up in that.
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could we not try and tempt Gary Neville into management, I know he's a complete novice but he seems to know what he's talking about, and would have the respect of the players, and could probably put a decent back room staff together
most of the realistic names on the list are a bit rubbish really,
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We have to find someone on the way up, ambitious and eager to learn and improve themselves. Too many clubs over the years have turned to "names" but have invariably found themselves appointing someone who has already peaked, think they know-it-all and are set in their ways. The top guys like Ferguson, Mourinho, Guadiola are exceptional in that they are never satisfied and winning things make them hungrier - but there are very few like them.
I'd say the majority of managers who have reached the top of their profession (ie national team boss) tend to see the rest of their career as cashing in with short term highly paid jobs they're rarely successful in.
We've had many managers for whom the Villa job is the pinnacle of their career, what we need now is someone who the very top clubs will be chasing in a couple of years time.
So for me that means crossing off the likes of Hoddle, Prandelli and Benitez. Klinsmann seems happy with the good life so fair play to him, but he's probably content with his lot. Sam Allardyce has always been driven to prove people wrong about him and he deserves the plaudits he's now getting, but will it ever get any better for him? Sherwood's just a twat who will end up telling everyone in the media what a good manager he would have been, had anyone been daft enough to offer him a job.
We're trusting Paddy Reilly to do his homework thoroughly and Tom Fox to back his judgement - the time is right for someone out there.
No top club has ever chased or ever will chase Glenn Hoddle
Cant see why Prandelli or Benitez wouldnt be interested if we werent going to persist with our Aldi lite existence in the EPL.
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I suppose if (when) he doesn't get the job, he will blame it on politics like he did when he didn't get named England captain when there were better candidates.
Assuming you're talking about Campbell, his dodgy politics would be just one of the reasons that would rule him out.
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Apparently Southgate ruled himself out on talksport, which is not the end of the world really is it.
Still think it will be Sherwood and Hoddle together.
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I suppose if (when) he doesn't get the job, he will blame it on politics like he did when he didn't get named England captain when there were better candidates.
Assuming you're talking about Campbell, his dodgy politics would be just one of the reasons that would rule him out.
and the fact that he isn't remotely qualified and would make Sherwood look like Mourinho
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Curbishley has come in odds wise a lot today. Is he a possible Allardyce type safe pair of hands?
Where were West Ham when he left?
If Sherwood is a serious contender then good old Curbs must be.
Shudders.
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Genuine question. Why such animosity to Tim Sherwood?
It's the bodywarmer for me. It's a straight choice - suit or tracksuit. Some one rocking anything else on the touchline can't be trusted.
Trench coat?
could be the order of the day at VP
No experience and appears to have lots of friends in the media putting his name forward for jobs he's not suitable for.
Only a board who are desperate / lacking any football knowledge would go for him :'(
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Also this one: http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/desperate-times-call-for-tim-sherwood
nice reference to the odious Henry Winter in too
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I'm sticking a fiver on Southgate tonight.
Stop moving the market with such ostentatious sums!
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Ladies and Gentlemen, we have arrived at Ground Zero...all change here please
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/sol-campbell-throws-hat-ring-aston-villa-job-instagram-post/?
I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with him doing the job part-time while he campaigns against a mansion tax.:-P
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According to Sunderland chums, Poyet may be on the verge of walking. If not now, in summer. Fed up with underperforming overpaid squad and unfortunately thinks Sunderland fans are living in the past.
What past?
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Curbishley has come in odds wise a lot today. Is he a possible Allardyce type safe pair of hands?
Where were West Ham when he left?
If Sherwood is a serious contender then good old Curbs must be.
Shudders.
isn't it the law though that Curbishley is linked to every manager job ever? Any man that cannot pronounce the city where he'll be working should be automatically eliminated from contention.
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A Wolves fan told me that we should steer clear of Hoddle because he played Carlton Cole as a winger.
As good a reason as any I suppose.
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Curbishley has come in odds wise a lot today. Is he a possible Allardyce type safe pair of hands?
Where were West Ham when he left?
If Sherwood is a serious contender then good old Curbs must be.
Shudders.
Kept West Ham up with a great end of season run in 2007. Top ten finish the year after and he left only a few weeks into 2009 after the board sold players behind his back. Granted one of those was Anton Ferdinand to Roy Keane's Sunderland for a crazy 8m. Think that was the time West Ham were in serious trouble financially with the Icelandic banks going under, plus Curbs spunking money on the likes of Kieron Dyer hardly helped.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/7596106.stm
If we are desperate for a safe pair of hands, could do worse than him.
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I wouldnt mind Curbishley for the run in. I would imagine he would be pretty decent in the DOF role afterwards and help us pick the right long term replacement.
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Andrew McKenna @talksportMacca 45m45 minutes ago
Speaking with @talkSPORTDrive Gareth Southgate has joined the list of those saying he doesn't want the Aston Villa managers job.
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What is the media obsession with getting Hoddle back into management and linking him with the Villa job? Are they sick of him being a part-time TV pundit and want to take the piss when he fails in another managers job...or do they know something we don't? I don't get how or why anyone can come to the conclusion that Hoddle is perfect for the Villa job.
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Andrew McKenna @talksportMacca 45m45 minutes ago
Speaking with @talkSPORTDrive Gareth Southgate has joined the list of those saying he doesn't want the Aston Villa managers job.
which he didn't because he wants to concentrate on what he is doing, but it sounds better that he has essentially turned us down.
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I wouldnt mind Curbishley for the run in. I would imagine he would be pretty decent in the DOF role afterwards and help us pick the right long term replacement.
He is so long out of the game you would be better off asking Ron Saunders to give it a go.
Why do you think Curbishley never gets appointed after years of being in the running?
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Not sure if Fabio Capello has received all his due wages from the Russian F.A....Think he could do a job for us.
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Bet365 have Sherwood as a very clear favourite 4/11
Then hoddle 6/1
Christ on a bike
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I wouldnt mind Curbishley for the run in. I would imagine he would be pretty decent in the DOF role afterwards and help us pick the right long term replacement.
He is so long out of the game you would be better off asking Ron Saunders to give it a go.
Why do you think Curbishley never gets appointed after years of being in the running?
he was coaching at Fulham not so long ago
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Not sure if Fabio Capello has received all his due wages from the Russian F.A....Think he could do a job for us.
Would love Capello.
We couldn't keep him out of B6 when he was England boss
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I wouldnt mind Curbishley for the run in. I would imagine he would be pretty decent in the DOF role afterwards and help us pick the right long term replacement.
He is so long out of the game you would be better off asking Ron Saunders to give it a go.
Why do you think Curbishley never gets appointed after years of being in the running?
Something to do with suing West Ham successfully for 2.5m for unfair dismissal. Chairmen have run a mile since.
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I wouldnt mind Curbishley for the run in. I would imagine he would be pretty decent in the DOF role afterwards and help us pick the right long term replacement.
He is so long out of the game you would be better off asking Ron Saunders to give it a go.
Why do you think Curbishley never gets appointed after years of being in the running?
he was coaching at Fulham not so long ago
He did 2 months there and couldn't have made that much of an impact as he was sacked when Felix Mcgraph went. 6 years at least since he managed?
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How many applications with pdf attachments has Tom received in his inbox? I'm worried that some top names have put their name forward but he's still mass-deleting his emails from all our missives compelling him to sack Lambert. Now we may see someone great slip through our hands. Lambert's karma will win out!
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Not my favourite idea for the job, but given the choice of Curbishley, Hoddle or Sherwood, I would give him fair consideration.
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I wouldnt mind Curbishley for the run in. I would imagine he would be pretty decent in the DOF role afterwards and help us pick the right long term replacement.
He is so long out of the game you would be better off asking Ron Saunders to give it a go.
Why do you think Curbishley never gets appointed after years of being in the running?
he was coaching at Fulham not so long ago
He did 2 months there and couldn't have made that much of an impact as he was sacked when Felix Mcgraph went. 6 years at least since he managed?
He was director of football. And Fulham tried to get him back to help Symonds but could not agree terms with him.
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Not my favourite idea for the job, but given the choice of Curbishley, Hoddle or Sherwood, I would give him fair consideration.
I wouldn't want any of those for entirely different reasons.
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How many applications with pdf attachments has Tom received in his inbox? I'm worried that some top names have put their name forward but he's still mass-deleting his emails from all our missives compelling him to sack Lambert. Now we may see someone great slip through our hands. Lambert's karma will win out!
;D
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I wouldnt mind Curbishley for the run in. I would imagine he would be pretty decent in the DOF role afterwards and help us pick the right long term replacement.
He is so long out of the game you would be better off asking Ron Saunders to give it a go.
Why do you think Curbishley never gets appointed after years of being in the running?
he was coaching at Fulham not so long ago
He did 2 months there and couldn't have made that much of an impact as he was sacked when Felix Mcgraph went. 6 years at least since he managed?
his success is a different matter, you said he'd been out of the game for a long time, which he hasnt
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Curbishley would be a backwards step. He's too out of touch now , he doesn't even get TV work
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Bet365 have Sherwood as a very clear favourite 4/11
Then hoddle 6/1
Christ on a bike
Two things to remember here.
1. Those odds don't reflect what the bookies think will happen, they are reflecting what the British betting public think will happen. There's a huge difference.
2. The amount of money punted on a market as small as "next Aston Villa manager" is tiny, and a result of that, it takes very small amounts of money to bring a manager's price in.
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Not sure if Fabio Capello has received all his due wages from the Russian F.A....Think he could do a job for us.
He has. Alisher Usmanov paid them all because he thought it was making Russia look bad.
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Curbishley would be a backwards step. He's too out of touch now , he doesn't even get TV work
How on earth do you know how in touch Curbishley keeps with football?
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Curbishley would be a backwards step. He's too out of touch now , he doesn't even get TV work
How on earth do you know how in touch Curbishley keeps with football?
Tell me when he last managed a PL club.
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well SSN just linked us with Klinsman, they say we are keen to speak to him
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well SSN just linked us with Klinsman, they say we are keen to speak to him
We are probably also keen to speak to Pep
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Curbishley would be a backwards step. He's too out of touch now , he doesn't even get TV work
How on earth do you know how in touch Curbishley keeps with football?
Tell me when he last managed a PL club.
West Ham.
Now, you can answer my question about how you know how in touch he is (or isn't) about what is happening in football.
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well SSN just linked us with Klinsman, they say we are keen to speak to him
We are probably also keen to speak to Pep
News flash
http://www.espnfc.com/barclays-premier-league/story/2297084/united-states-boss-jurgen-klinsmann-not-interested-in-aston-villa-job
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Curbishley would be a backwards step. He's too out of touch now , he doesn't even get TV work
How on earth do you know how in touch Curbishley keeps with football?
Tell me when he last managed a PL club.
West Ham.
Now, you can answer my question about how you know how in touch he is (or isn't) about what is happening in football.
What's that 10 years ago. Great .
May aswell appoint Graham Taylor
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Football is constantly changing and good managers/coaches have to change to be successful. They have to keep on redeveloping tactics/style of play. Five years is a long time in football these days and any manager that has been out of first line hands on involvement will have lost touch. One of the major changes has been players' attitudes and managers have to deal with this carefully to get the best out of players. There are very few long serving managers that are willing to adapt to remain successful. I suppose the best in recent years was SAF who not only adapted but had that one commodity that can over come any shortcomings and that was respect from the players.
I would rule out any of the names that have been out of management for more than a year unless they are active coaches at the higher level.
Above all, we need somebody who can quickly spot what is lacking in our players to form an effective team for the rest of the season. For that we need a top quality head coach with a team of assistants. Not only has somebody got to come up with the tactics to win games, someone else has got to work on the confidence levels of many of the players. To spot what is wrong quickly needs a very experienced coach on the training ground. To this end I believe that this needs to be a foreign coach because I do think we are lacking this with British managers/coaches. The benefit of a foreign coach is that you may be able to get a 'gun for hire' short term.
For the long term I am convinced that we need a DOF that can develop the playing side from top to bottom throughout the club and can take some of the media PR away from the team manager/coach. The days of the manager doing everything have gone or there remains a few very experienced managers that can handle it e.g. Allardyce. This will then allow you to bring in a team coach that will have a higher profile than coaches generally in this country. I am convinced that this is the only way that we can grow this club to be anywhere near competitive.
The short term answer needs to be somebody with the stature of someone like Guus Hiddink (obviously not him as he is tied up with Holland) or even Danny Blind before he takes over from Hiddink.
Long term - Frank de Boer with Ronald as his assistant.
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I was told today that "what we need is a Brummie in charge, to let players know what an honour it should be to play for Villa".
My reply was basically what a load of bollocks, we've never had a Brummie in charge before.
Having said that I wasn't 100% sure if i was right but a bit of quick research tells me the only local born manager we've ever had was Dick Taylor (Wolverhampton) and look where that got us.
We've drawn mainly from Scotland, Merseyside, the North East and Lincolnshire. Tony Barton was the only southerner. Plus a couple of Irishmen, a Welshman and two from the continent.
Then again i'm struggling to think of a Manc who's managed United or City and can think of only Joe Royle and Roy Evans as scousers in charge at Everton or Liverpool.
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Ray Graydon is available.
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I wouldnt mind Curbishley for the run in. I would imagine he would be pretty decent in the DOF role afterwards and help us pick the right long term replacement.
He is so long out of the game you would be better off asking Ron Saunders to give it a go.
Why do you think Curbishley never gets appointed after years of being in the running?
he was coaching at Fulham not so long ago
He did 2 months there and couldn't have made that much of an impact as he was sacked when Felix Mcgraph went. 6 years at least since he managed?
his success is a different matter, you said he'd been out of the game for a long time, which he hasnt
Fair point. I was thinking as club manager. I think 6+ years is too long to be away from being a manager.
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Long term - Frank de Boer with Ronald as his assistant.
Or Frank de Boer with his current assistant at Ajax - Dennis Bergkamp.
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Ray Graydon is available.
I miss Fergal's signature about him scoring on the rebound. Is he still alive?
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I wouldnt mind Curbishley for the run in. I would imagine he would be pretty decent in the DOF role afterwards and help us pick the right long term replacement.
I agree, for the position were in Curbishley would be a decent appointment, others saying he is out of touch but I doubt he is and although he hasn't managed since 2009 I dont see that as an issue, he knows what it takes to keep a club in the top flight and proved that for a long period at unfashionable Charlton plus did ok at West Ham, always comes across to me as very knowledgeable, we need someone with experience to keep us up, were in the shit, we could do a lot worse than Curbishley
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Andrew McKenna @talksportMacca 45m45 minutes ago
Speaking with @talkSPORTDrive Gareth Southgate has joined the list of those saying he doesn't want the Aston Villa managers job.
which he didn't because he wants to concentrate on what he is doing, but it sounds better that he has essentially turned us down.
That tweet does not say has turned us down which would imply he dad been offered it, it says that that he does not want the job. I presume it is the "joined the list" which could be criticised.
Anyway, here is the transcript of the interview from Talk Shite.
Former Aston Villa defender Gareth Southgate told talkSPORT the club needs to hire a manager who can instil confidence into the players otherwise they will be relegated from the Premier League, but ruled himself out of the vacancy.
Villa sacked Paul Lambert on Wednesday, with the club languished in the relegation zone, and Southgate claimed top-flight survival has to be the club's priority despite an FA Cup fifth round tie against Leicester City on Sunday.
Southgate was an FA Cup finalist with the Villans in 2000, and the 44-year-old believes the competition can act as a welcome distraction for the club.
Wins breed confidence so from that respect youre looking to try and win every match you go into, just to get some sort of momentum, he told Drivetime.
Clearly the priority for them will be staying in the Premier League and the cup will be a welcome distraction to progress, but it is probably not the most important thing at this moment in time.
Immediately, they need someone who can try and instil some confidence into the players. Longer term they need someone to work within a restricted budget. They have a young squad with an opportunity to develop some of the players there.
But youve go to get results and a game plan quickly in order to get results on the board.
However, Southgate distanced himself from the managerial void at Villa Park, claiming he is not going to step away from his position at England Under-21s ahead of the European Championships in June.
He added: [Aston Villa] is a fantastic football club and I had a brilliant time there, but Im really enjoying what Im doing [with the England Under-21s]. We have the European Championships this summer and we have a realistic chance of doing extremely well in that.
You dont get many opportunities to try and win something in your career so the summer is an opportunity for me to do that, and Im not going to step away from what I am doing at this moment in time.
Read more at http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-southgate-out-running-aston-villa-manager-vacancy-150213136344#osIxlwCmZsDdWHKU.99
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Beginning to wonder if the options available to us are any better than lambert. I just hope that the club can pull a decent manager in..sherwood ? Curbs ? Glen H ? No improvement on lambert as I see it.
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This could be a challenge to entice anyone decent . The circumstances are certainly complex and challenging and on the face it looks a hospital pass
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Beginning to wonder if the options available to us are any better than lambert. I just hope that the club can pull a decent manager in..sherwood ? Curbs ? Glen H ? No improvement on lambert as I see it.
You are joking, aren't you? Look beyond the obvious close to home options.
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This could be a challenge to entice anyone decent . The circumstances are certainly complex and challenging and on the face it looks a hospital pass
In the immediate, I would agree. For somebody to potentially put their future career on the line with the uncertainty around the club is a big ask. Let's face it, how many managers have walked away from Villa with their careers intact - Taylor Mk 1
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well SSN just linked us with Klinsman, they say we are keen to speak to him
We are probably also keen to speak to Pep
News flash
http://www.espnfc.com/barclays-premier-league/story/2297084/united-states-boss-jurgen-klinsmann-not-interested-in-aston-villa-job
Whilst I think it's unlikely he'll come there are no quotes in that article.
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This could be a challenge to entice anyone decent . The circumstances are certainly complex and challenging and on the face it looks a hospital pass
In the immediate, I would agree. For somebody to potentially put their future career on the line with the uncertainty around the club is a big ask. Let's face it, how many managers have walked away from Villa with their careers intact - Taylor Mk 1
Plus Mercer and Docherty but even the latter had to re-invent himself in a couple of jobs first.
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Ray Graydon is alive and well. Currently living on the Turnberry Estate, not too far from me.
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Klinsmann would be nice but i'm not sure i'd leave California if I didn't need to, to be honest.
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Sol Campbell throws his hat into the ring. It would be racist if we didn't appoint him.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-manager-vacancy-interests-8645298
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Beginning to wonder if the options available to us are any better than lambert. I just hope that the club can pull a decent manager in..sherwood ? Curbs ? Glen H ? No improvement on lambert as I see it.
You are joking, aren't you? Look beyond the obvious close to home options.
True but if there ever was a case of sacking Lambert last May, this is it. Hopefully we won't have to scrape the barrel and Tom Fox can find the right man.
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Curbishley would be a backwards step. He's too out of touch now , he doesn't even get TV work
How on earth do you know how in touch Curbishley keeps with football?
Tell me when he last managed a PL club.
West Ham.
Now, you can answer my question about how you know how in touch he is (or isn't) about what is happening in football.
What's that 10 years ago. Great .
May aswell appoint Graham Taylor
Yes, if he is able to show that he knows what managing in the Premier League is about, then fine.
But like with many things, you don't have the first clue about how "out of touch" Curbishley may or may not be.
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Sorry Sol you need to do something to get a job here.
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Ray Graydon is alive and well. Currently living on the Turnberry Estate, not too far from me.
That's surely on the west coast of Scotland
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Its as simple as this. Money talks!
Against his better judgement Randy may have said to Tom Fox. 'Whatever it takes Tom. Just keep the club in the top division. Find the right dude to do it. In this situation you have an open cheque book'
One thing....do not fail.
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This could be a challenge to entice anyone decent . The circumstances are certainly complex and challenging and on the face it looks a hospital pass
In the immediate, I would agree. For somebody to potentially put their future career on the line with the uncertainty around the club is a big ask. Let's face it, how many managers have walked away from Villa with their careers intact - Taylor Mk 1
Plus Mercer and Docherty but even the latter had to re-invent himself in a couple of jobs first.
I'd say O'Neill pretty much kept his reputation intact - not with us Villans obvs, but in general he was still seen as having done a decent enough job here. Even the lousy job he did at Sunderland didn't harm his career too much, considering the job he's doing now.
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Ray Graydon is alive and well. Currently living on the Turnberry Estate, not too far from me.
That's surely on the west coast of Scotland
Walsall.
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This could be a challenge to entice anyone decent . The circumstances are certainly complex and challenging and on the face it looks a hospital pass
In the immediate, I would agree. For somebody to potentially put their future career on the line with the uncertainty around the club is a big ask. Let's face it, how many managers have walked away from Villa with their careers intact - Taylor Mk 1
Plus Mercer and Docherty but even the latter had to re-invent himself in a couple of jobs first.
I'd say O'Neill pretty much kept his reputation intact - not with us Villans obvs, but in general he was still seen as having done a decent enough job here. Even the lousy job he did at Sunderland didn't harm his career too much, considering the job he's doing now.
I don't know. Considering the general feeling was that we were lucky he graced us with his presence, he didn't exactly have many job opportunities.
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Curbishley would be a backwards step. He's too out of touch now , he doesn't even get TV work
How on earth do you know how in touch Curbishley keeps with football?
Tell me when he last managed a PL club.
West Ham.
Now, you can answer my question about how you know how in touch he is (or isn't) about what is happening in football.
What's that 10 years ago. Great .
May aswell appoint Graham Taylor
Yes, if he is able to show that he knows what managing in the Premier League is about, then fine.
But like with many things, you don't have the first clue about how "out of touch" Curbishley may or may not be.
It's a hunch. A fairly reliable one I reckon.
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This could be a challenge to entice anyone decent . The circumstances are certainly complex and challenging and on the face it looks a hospital pass
In the immediate, I would agree. For somebody to potentially put their future career on the line with the uncertainty around the club is a big ask. Let's face it, how many managers have walked away from Villa with their careers intact - Taylor Mk 1
Plus Mercer and Docherty but even the latter had to re-invent himself in a couple of jobs first.
I'd say O'Neill pretty much kept his reputation intact - not with us Villans obvs, but in general he was still seen as having done a decent enough job here. Even the lousy job he did at Sunderland didn't harm his career too much, considering the job he's doing now.
I agree his reputation to outsiders was intact when he left us but I think he was found out at Sunderland
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Ray Graydon is alive and well. Currently living on the Turnberry Estate, not too far from me.
That's surely on the west coast of Scotland
Walsall.
Oh, well what are we waiting for ;)
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Curbishley would be a backwards step. He's too out of touch now , he doesn't even get TV work
How on earth do you know how in touch Curbishley keeps with football?
Tell me when he last managed a PL club.
West Ham.
Now, you can answer my question about how you know how in touch he is (or isn't) about what is happening in football.
What's that 10 years ago. Great .
May aswell appoint Graham Taylor
Yes, if he is able to show that he knows what managing in the Premier League is about, then fine.
But like with many things, you don't have the first clue about how "out of touch" Curbishley may or may not be.
It's a hunch. A fairly reliable one I reckon.
Well he's up to third favourite with the bookies, so you better hope they don't know nuffink
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This could be a challenge to entice anyone decent . The circumstances are certainly complex and challenging and on the face it looks a hospital pass
In the immediate, I would agree. For somebody to potentially put their future career on the line with the uncertainty around the club is a big ask. Let's face it, how many managers have walked away from Villa with their careers intact - Taylor Mk 1
Plus Mercer and Docherty but even the latter had to re-invent himself in a couple of jobs first.
I'd say O'Neill pretty much kept his reputation intact - not with us Villans obvs, but in general he was still seen as having done a decent enough job here. Even the lousy job he did at Sunderland didn't harm his career too much, considering the job he's doing now.
Before he came to Villa and even during the early days here he was talked about as a top four manager. By the end and for ever more, no chance.
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This could be a challenge to entice anyone decent . The circumstances are certainly complex and challenging and on the face it looks a hospital pass
In the immediate, I would agree. For somebody to potentially put their future career on the line with the uncertainty around the club is a big ask. Let's face it, how many managers have walked away from Villa with their careers intact - Taylor Mk 1
Plus Mercer and Docherty but even the latter had to re-invent himself in a couple of jobs first.
I'd say O'Neill pretty much kept his reputation intact - not with us Villans obvs, but in general he was still seen as having done a decent enough job here. Even the lousy job he did at Sunderland didn't harm his career too much, considering the job he's doing now.
I agree his reputation to outsiders was intact when he left us but I think he was found out at Sunderland
I think he retains a strong rapport certain sections of the media who give him a far greater standing than he still deserves, but my feeling is within the game he's been somewhat rumbled.
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Dean Smith? Or has his stock fallen recently? Not the experienced coach we're looking for but still...
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Dean Smith?
He has a date at Wembley with Walsall.
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Pure speculation on my part but what about Sherwood and Dalglish? Dalglish was Sherwood's boss when Blackburn won the league and he has had experience recently and success in the league cup. Just throwing it out there?
Dalglish would be respected and available
Maybe his first job would be to make Tonev t-shirts! :-X
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Dean Smith?
He has a date at Wembley with Walsall.
Surely he'd come though if asked?
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Ray Graydon is alive and well. Currently living on the Turnberry Estate, not too far from me.
That's surely on the west coast of Scotland
I used to be assistant manager at Turnberry Hotel and Golf Courses and can certainly confirm it is! Lovely views of Ailsa Craig and Arran
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Dean Smith?
He has a date at Wembley with Walsall.
Surely he'd come though if asked?
He'd walk here but he's a League One manager who might one day rise higher.
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Ray Graydon is alive and well. Currently living on the Turnberry Estate, not too far from me.
That's surely on the west coast of Scotland
I used to be assistant manager at Turnberry Hotel and Golf Courses and can certainly confirm it is! Lovely views of Ailsa Craig and Arran
Would love to get up there and play one day. Regret not going before that idiot Trump got his greasy paws on it .
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I'd like to see Moyes or Alladyce. No doubt the porn dwarf and Mr Tumnus would block any approach because of SHA "tendencies". I think we could get Moyes though.
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Dean Smith?
He has a date at Wembley with Walsall.
Surely he'd come though if asked?
He'd walk here but he's a League One manager who might one day rise higher.
Fair enough, I'd much prefer a higher profile coach but if we're going to take a punt, he has some connection with the club and seems to have done a fine job at Walsall. Admittedly it's a different level of pressure at VP.
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Ray Graydon is alive and well. Currently living on the Turnberry Estate, not too far from me.
That's surely on the west coast of Scotland
I used to be assistant manager at Turnberry Hotel and Golf Courses and can certainly confirm it is! Lovely views of Ailsa Craig and Arran
I take it there isn't a view of Tommy Craig? He was out of work a couple of months ago.
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I'd like to see Moyes or Alladyce. No doubt the porn dwarf and Mr Tumnus would block any approach because of SHA "tendencies". I think we could get Moyes though.
I'd be happy with Moyes . Can't imagine he'd bail on socidedad so early though ? And the compo would be seismic id guess
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Won't happen.
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Won't happen.
More chance of Billy McNeill returning
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My thoughts are that we are not in the best position to argue the toss over the choices we have available to us at the moment, if Sherwood is the choice, then we have to go with it.
Realistically we could take a short term choice like a Curbishley or Hoddle, but they might not keep us up the same way Sherwood might not.
None of the higher tier of managers are going to want to join us in our current position with 13 games to go. So we are choosing from a very small batch of available managers, and if Sherwood is the anointed one from that batch so be it.
I just hope he has the nous to keep us out of the relegation zone come the end of the season.
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Dean Smith?
He has a date at Wembley with Walsall.
Surely he'd come though if asked?
He'd walk here but he's a League One manager who might one day rise higher.
Fair enough, I'd much prefer a higher profile coach but if we're going to take a punt, he has some connection with the club and seems to have done a fine job at Walsall. Admittedly it's a different level of pressure at VP.
He might be one to consider if the worst scenario happens and we end up going down.
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Twitter seems to think it is Sherwood? Something happened while I was out for an hour?
If it is, I really hope there is more than just him.
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Twitter seems to think it is Sherwood? Something happened while I was out for an hour?
If it is, I really hope there is more than just him.
Nothing around 'ere, mate. And I've been pressing F5 every other second (or so it feels).
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This is what's just started Twitter off
@Oddschanger: BREAKING: Tim Sherwood is set to be named as the new Aston Villa manager. #AVFC http://t.co/yBFbiZleTG
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Sherwood can't be any worse than Lambert.
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Andrew McKenna @talksportMacca 45m45 minutes ago
Speaking with @talkSPORTDrive Gareth Southgate has joined the list of those saying he doesn't want the Aston Villa managers job.
which he didn't because he wants to concentrate on what he is doing, but it sounds better that he has essentially turned us down.
That tweet does not say has turned us down which would imply he dad been offered it, it says that that he does not want the job. I presume it is the "joined the list" which could be criticised.
Anyway, here is the transcript of the interview from Talk Shite.
Former Aston Villa defender Gareth Southgate told talkSPORT the club needs to hire a manager who can instil confidence into the players otherwise they will be relegated from the Premier League, but ruled himself out of the vacancy.
Villa sacked Paul Lambert on Wednesday, with the club languished in the relegation zone, and Southgate claimed top-flight survival has to be the club's priority despite an FA Cup fifth round tie against Leicester City on Sunday.
Southgate was an FA Cup finalist with the Villans in 2000, and the 44-year-old believes the competition can act as a welcome distraction for the club.
Wins breed confidence so from that respect youre looking to try and win every match you go into, just to get some sort of momentum, he told Drivetime.
Clearly the priority for them will be staying in the Premier League and the cup will be a welcome distraction to progress, but it is probably not the most important thing at this moment in time.
Immediately, they need someone who can try and instil some confidence into the players. Longer term they need someone to work within a restricted budget. They have a young squad with an opportunity to develop some of the players there.
But youve go to get results and a game plan quickly in order to get results on the board.
However, Southgate distanced himself from the managerial void at Villa Park, claiming he is not going to step away from his position at England Under-21s ahead of the European Championships in June.
He added: [Aston Villa] is a fantastic football club and I had a brilliant time there, but Im really enjoying what Im doing [with the England Under-21s]. We have the European Championships this summer and we have a realistic chance of doing extremely well in that.
You dont get many opportunities to try and win something in your career so the summer is an opportunity for me to do that, and Im not going to step away from what I am doing at this moment in time.
Read more at http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-southgate-out-running-aston-villa-manager-vacancy-150213136344#osIxlwCmZsDdWHKU.99
It was the "at this moment in time" comment that I found most pertinent. I got from that interview that after the U21 tournament in the summer and if we're still in the top flight, then it may be different.
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Would he be any better than Lambert ?
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Would he be any better than Lambert ?
Would he be any worse? I doubt it.
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This is what's just started Twitter off
@Oddschanger: BREAKING: Tim Sherwood is set to be named as the new Aston Villa manager. #AVFC http://t.co/yBFbiZleTG
It would be an odd thing for them to put up and get wrong - a brief scroll through their tweet history doesn't suggest a penchant for making wild, attention-seeking claims - but nobody else at all has reported it, and I can't see why they'd have the scoop.
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Would he be any better than Lambert ?
Would he be any worse? I doubt it.
That's meaningless, though.
"Not worse than Lambert" must surely include most managers.
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I keep reminding myself that if offered the swap on Tuesday night I would have jumped at it.
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I keep reminding myself that if offered the swap on Tuesday night I would have jumped at it.
But Lambert is gone now.
Sherwood would be an utterly nuts appointment, even by the low standards of Randy's managerial choices.
I honestly don't get this "better than Lambert" thing we keep hearing (don't mean from you).
We've seen Lambert has been a piss poor manager for us. It is therefore possible to be a lot better than Lambert and still not good enough, so hugely did he fail.
We need to appoint the best man we can for the club, not just someone on the basis of not being Lambert.
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Who is that (realistic) best man then?
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It seems to be based off something Collymore said.
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It seems to be based off something Collymore said.
Where is he meant to have said it?
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Who is that (realistic) best man then?
Hopefully someone from lots of choices, interviews etc, not just from sounding one guy out and letting him watch a few games.
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Not sure if it was Twitter or Talksport. I can't see it happening this early, as that would imply the sacking was planned.
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And Duncan Castles of the Times has said that it looks like it's Sherwood's to turn down, but who knows what that's based on. He's also said 'more fool Randy Lerner', which is true. Tim Sherwood is, I have to say, probably the worst of all of the options apparently available to us, including Hoddle, Curbishley and Daffy bleedin' Duck.
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I honestly don't get this "better than Lambert" thing we keep hearing (don't mean from you).
We've seen Lambert has been a piss poor manager for us. It is therefore possible to be a lot better than Lambert and still not good enough, so hugely did he fail.
Exactly right. When I read 'Southgate is better than Lambert' I think well maybe he is but there are also a fuck of a lot of people better than Southgate. Or Sherwood, or Curbishley, or Hoddle, or Howe, or Dyche, etc etc
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Twitter seems to think it is Sherwood? Something happened while I was out for an hour?
If it is, I really hope there is more than just him.
1/20 sky bet
Probably his mum had big bet on him
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I keep reminding myself that if offered the swap on Tuesday night I would have jumped at it.
But Lambert is gone now.
Sherwood would be an utterly nuts appointment, even by the low standards of Randy's managerial choices.
I honestly don't get this "better than Lambert" thing we keep hearing (don't mean from you).
We've seen Lambert has been a piss poor manager for us. It is therefore possible to be a lot better than Lambert and still not good enough, so hugely did he fail.
We need to appoint the best man we can for the club, not just someone on the basis of not being Lambert.
I agree. Just trying to rationalise it in my head Paulie.
I would feel much better if he comes in with an experienced number 2 that has a track record on the coaching side.
23 points from his first 10 games at Spurs must be an appealing impact. Got 15 from 10 here it would leave us on 37 with 3 to play, which we would all bite your hands off for.
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Just on 5Live that AVFC will announce the new manager next week.
I'm adding that to the Twitter Sherwood thing and arriving at 3,489.
ffs, I hope it's not.
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Sherwood would be utterly uninspiring.
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Sherwood has disaster written all over it. Even his wonderful win ratio at Spurs that everyone keeps banging on about is worse than AVB and pochettino. I really hope this isn't true
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He had better players at Spurs.
Honestly, I think there's a strong chance he'd be a disaster, and even if he kept us up on some wave of adrenaline that would just be a delay in the disaster. One of the Spurs fans in the article I posted earlier described him as 'aggressively and proudly ignorant' of football tactics. That scares me a bit, to be honest.
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It's Twatter.
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For the older guys, what went so wrong for Billy McNeill when he came in to save the day, earlier in the season that our next messiah in waiting?
Some good players in that squad - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2273320/Worst-Aston-Villa-team-1987-Sportsmail-looks-club-relegated.html
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Lambert was a great choice according to most at the time. Look how that's turned out. :)
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Sherwood would be utterly uninspiring.
Third choice. David Coleman wouldn't have gone for him But who cares!
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He had better players at Spurs.
Honestly, I think there's a strong chance he'd be a disaster, and even if he kept us up on some wave of adrenaline that would just be a delay in the disaster. One of the Spurs fans in the article I posted earlier described him as 'aggressively and proudly ignorant' of football tactics. That scares me a bit, to be honest.
It does me. But then at the same time Lambert was thought to be able to change tactics dependent on the opposition, play 3 formations in a game to get the right result, attacking football, great reputation, we all pretty much were happy with the appointment. And it has not exactly gone well.
If Sherwood comes in and keeps us up, then he has done the job really. If he then has us lower mid table next season, it is better than this. If we score a fecking goal we are on the up. Just think it is dangerous to dismiss this one, or that one, based on certain things. Given carte blanche he would not be my first choice, but he does bring an arrogance and confidence we simply don't have at the club at the moment.
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Lambert actually had a record for doing those things well, he just couldn't translate them. Sherwood has a record of near-hilarious incompetence.
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Worries me Sherwood has already been hot favourite with six clubs including Brighton and didn't get any of them .
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Until it's announced, I'll keep praying that it isn't. Just in case it is true, I'll be familiarising myself with teams in the Championship.
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@Oddschanger: BREAKING: Tim Sherwood is set to be named as the new Aston Villa manager. #AVFC http://t.co/yBFbiZleTG
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He has a very high opinion of his ability.
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@Oddschanger: BREAKING: Tim Sherwood is set to be named as the new Aston Villa manager. #AVFC http://t.co/yBFbiZleTG
Twatter. Butter Ollocks.
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I know QPR were in for sherwood but they are as desperate as us..!
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If it is Sherwood, we can be no worse off than we are now. He would have my full support.
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Slightly gutted by Southgate ruling himself out, as I saw him as a realistic and potentially positive influence on the club.
Maybe I'm desperate but I reckon he could take on the Villa job whilst keeping the U21 role, assuming he bought in an able assistant. After this season he could assume his DoF position and use the U21 gig as our direct access to the best young English talent. See it as revenge for all the players we've lost from being tapped whilst on on England duty.
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Dean Smith?
He has a date at Wembley with Walsall.
Surely he'd come though if asked?
He'd walk here but he's a League One manager who might one day rise higher.
He's still better qualified than Tim Sherwood.
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Lambert actually had a record for doing those things well, he just couldn't translate them. Sherwood has a record of near-hilarious incompetence.
He hasn't though. He has a record for bringing into the Spurs side the current darling of English football Harry Kane, bringing in Benteleb into their midfield to add some bite that was lacking and Spurs fans gave him shit for, and winning 14 of 28 games in charge.
He isn't great, and is clearly much more of a motivator type than tactical visionary, but with 13 games to go in the shit, I am genuinely not convinced a Tuchel or Prandelli would come in and be able to get their ideas into the side that quickly. I genuinely think had Lambert got himself a strong coaching team around him last summer we would be much better off now, and I think the same with Sherwood.
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If it is to be Sherwood when there are plenty of better options around then it suggests to me that whoever is making the decision they haven't put much thought into it.
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Keane has more votes than Sherwood on the Guardian poll, that's worrying.
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On Wednesday night anybody but Lambert was fine so that must have included Sherwood, now there are rumours that he may or may not be appointed and there are so many posters kicking the shit out of him, I just dont get it, if he takes over give the bloke a chance, what the fuck did he do in half a season at Spurs to be described as hilariously incompetent or utterly uninspiring, please explain.
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people are never satisfied :)
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Whenever I think of Tim Sherwood I see that nauseating salute he swapped with Adeboyour at Spuds.
Also worked once with a bloke who knew him in Watford where he's from. Said he was the most arrogant, up his own arse tosser you'd ever meet.
Must have good mates in the press to be constantly touted for the jobs he does.
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If it is to be Sherwood when there are plenty of better options around then it suggests to me that whoever is making the decision they haven't put much thought into it.
The fact he was pictured with Fox at 2 separate home games a few weeks back, and pictured at a 3rd on twitter during a game, it is pretty obvious there was a good chance he would be their first choice. He has been just as reluctant to take a couple of the jobs he has been linked with too. It is a massive call from Fox, and Percy in the Telegraph talks of Villa being happy to put him with a new coaching team, which I know I keep saying it, but it is vital.
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If its till the summer I wouldn't mind .
Sounds like the Ramsay guy is a good coach and he would have come with Sherwood , so no idea who his staff would be .
Laursen id be happy as his assistant.
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If its till the summer I wouldn't mind .
Sounds like the Ramsay guy is a good coach and he would have come with Sherwood , so no idea who his staff would be .
Laursen id be happy as his assistant.
How can you stick two strangers together and get a coherent working relationship going in a couple of weeks? Impossible.
Fergie and Solskjaer on the other hand
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Keane has more votes than Sherwood on the Guardian poll, that's worrying.
If he brings MON for 13 games I'd take it short term .
Complete the circle and close the chapter
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I'd prefer Lambert than sherwood on a three year deal.
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If it is to be Sherwood when there are plenty of better options around then it suggests to me that whoever is making the decision they haven't put much thought into it.
That's my primary concern. Why the rush? Yes, we are in a spot of bother but it isn't late March. We still have time between now and Stoke to make a more informed decision. We have all been commenting about Sherwood being at VP, and that surely the board wouldn't be so brazen as to essentially, as it will appear, parade the new manager while the old one sat in the dugout. That would be poor form to suggest he was being tapped up all along.
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@petecolley: Villa in talks with Tim Sherwood to become Villa's new manager.
@SkySportsNewsHQ #avfc
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If its till the summer I wouldn't mind .
Sounds like the Ramsay guy is a good coach and he would have come with Sherwood , so no idea who his staff would be .
Laursen id be happy as his assistant.
How can you stick two strangers together and get a coherent working relationship going in a couple of weeks? Impossible.
Fergie and Solskjĉr on the other hand
So whos Sherwood going to bring ?
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@Oddschanger: BREAKING: Tim Sherwood is set to be named as the new Aston Villa manager. #AVFC http://t.co/yBFbiZleTG
Please NO.
Please!
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If it's Sherwood then it's not for me and just shows a lack of imagination once again.
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Sherwood ffs your havin a laff
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I would have hoped for more a bit more than 48 hours worth of taking stock and seeing what's available but I guess anything is better than Lambert.
The coaching team is vital now, if it's a rookie manager with the current two inexperienced chumps we have as coaches then what a fucking plan.
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On Wednesday night anybody but Lambert was fine so that must have included Sherwood, now there are rumours that he may or may not be appointed and there are so many posters kicking the shit out of him, I just dont get it, if he takes over give the bloke a chance, what the fuck did he do in half a season at Spurs to be described as hilariously incompetent or utterly uninspiring, please explain.
On Wednesday night anybody but Lambert was fine so that must have included Sherwood, now there are rumours that he may or may not be appointed and there are so many posters kicking the shit out of him, I just dont get it, if he takes over give the bloke a chance, what the fuck did he do in half a season at Spurs to be described as hilariously incompetent or utterly uninspiring, please explain.
I didn't say anybody but Lambert. He'd be uninspiring because he is massively untested at this level apart from a dozen games at fucking Spurs (who didn't rate him enough to give him an actual job). We need experience to help us avoid being relegated.
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Sherwood and shearer 😄😄😄😄
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Well if he turns up at villa park I will support him. However if he is appointed we should all stop deluding ourselves that we are a big club anymore. We are now behind the likes of Southampton and are in the same bracket as QPR and Sunderland..Plus them black country chances.
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Well if he turns up at villa park I will support him. However if he is appointed we should all stop deluding ourselves that we are a big club anymore. We are now behind the likes of Southampton and are in the same bracket as QPR and Sunderland..Plus them black country chances.
Behave.
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So basically it went like this. Sherwood is about to go to QPR. We lose to Hull. Fox says to Sherwood, "just hold on a minute". Sherwood stalls on QPR. A few days later he is to be Villa boss. Talk about a well thought out plan.
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So basically it went like this. Sherwood is about to go to QPR. We lose to Hull. Fox says to Sherwood, "just hold on a minute". Sherwood stalls on QPR. A few days later he is to be Villa boss. Talk about a well thought out plan.
It's a Baldrick special as far as plans go.
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@Oddschanger: BREAKING: Tim Sherwood is set to be named as the new Aston Villa manager. #AVFC http://t.co/yBFbiZleTG
Please NO.
Please!
Dear god, no.
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Sherwood now 1/20 BetVictor, 1/16 William Hill.
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/3902df70dfaea99fe4686f855b55cb2b/tumblr_mii2nsTmXc1rq3b5ko2_500.gif)
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I said before, appointing sherwood would be a lazy appointment.
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Tim Sherwood can fuck off.
I don't want this clown anywhere near the club I love.
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As a long term option it's not good. As a short term option it could go either way. He has a good start like he did at Spurs, and get 2-3 players firing, then we could stay up. My gut tells me we'll go down.
Ultimately, unless he's got a decent number 2, then I would envision another season of struggle next year.
But honestly...what other options are out there and actually viable? It looks like a choice of one.
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Some of you lot are unreal, absolutely unreal
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Some of you lot are unreal, absolutely unreal
Why?
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As a long term option it's not good. As a short term option it could go either way. He has a good start like he did at Spurs, and get 2-3 players firing, then we could stay up. My gut tells me we'll go down.
Ultimately, unless he's got a decent number 2, then I would envision another season of struggle next year.
But honestly...what other options are out there and actually viable? It looks like a choice of one.
His 'number two' is managing QPR.
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Tim sherwood, manager for the sum total of 22 games!
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Stop fretting folks.
It's just somebody having a larf!
Please let it be somebody just having a larf!
Has Tom Fox gone right to the top to seek advice?
Someone who knows The Villa? From the inside? Knows how Lerner thinks? Has a record for consistency in their appointments?
Paul Faulkner?
(getting his own back?)
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As a long term option it's not good. As a short term option it could go either way. He has a good start like he did at Spurs, and get 2-3 players firing, then we could stay up. My gut tells me we'll go down.
Ultimately, unless he's got a decent number 2, then I would envision another season of struggle next year.
But honestly...what other options are out there and actually viable? It looks like a choice of one.
Exactly, if they had got rid of that chancer earlier . Idiots
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On Wednesday night anybody but Lambert was fine so that must have included Sherwood, now there are rumours that he may or may not be appointed and there are so many posters kicking the shit out of him, I just dont get it, if he takes over give the bloke a chance, what the fuck did he do in half a season at Spurs to be described as hilariously incompetent or utterly uninspiring, please explain.
On Wednesday night anybody but Lambert was fine so that must have included Sherwood, now there are rumours that he may or may not be appointed and there are so many posters kicking the shit out of him, I just dont get it, if he takes over give the bloke a chance, what the fuck did he do in half a season at Spurs to be described as hilariously incompetent or utterly uninspiring, please explain.
I didn't say anybody but Lambert. He'd be uninspiring because he is massively untested at this level apart from a dozen games at fucking Spurs (who didn't rate him enough to give him an actual job). We need experience to help us avoid being relegated.
Rigadon he had 28 games and Levy has gone through an awful lot of managers, I take your point about experience but I just think his swagger and confidence might help to shake those players out of the cycle of shit they have been on for so long, wouldent have been my first choice but I think he might have it in him to save us,
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Shergar and Lord Lucan
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Tim sherwood, manager for the sum total of 22 games!
It's funnier in a not so funny way in that only a few hours ago Scott Marshall in likely his one and only Villa press conference said how the club needed an experienced manager. Not a novice.
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Curbishley would be a backwards step. He's too out of touch now , he doesn't even get TV work
How on earth do you know how in touch Curbishley keeps with football?
Silhillvilla is wrong as Curbishley was a regular pundit on espn/star sports until he went to Fulham. Not sure what he has doen since but i guess he would have gone back because he had been doing it for years.
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Some of you lot are unreal, absolutely unreal
Meaning?
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Well if it is sherwood I hope he can work miracles as we are definitely in the last chance saloon as regards managerial appointments....
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Some of you lot are unreal, absolutely unreal
Uber others getting a bit defensive with you but I know what you mean
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To be honest if we appoint Sherwood I don't think things will change too much, I'll still be right behind whoever we appoint though.
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Sky Sports are also running a story saying we're interested in Klinsmann and only looking for a permanent manager.
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I sincerely hope that if it is him that it is either a short term deal with an opportunity to extend. I have no issue with that if it is justified. Or that the board truly have in place a plan for structuring the club properly. However my concern is he'll sign a three year deal. I have no idea how we could justify that or be convinced that he's worth it based on such a small sample size of games at this level.
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On Wednesday night anybody but Lambert was fine so that must have included Sherwood, now there are rumours that he may or may not be appointed and there are so many posters kicking the shit out of him, I just dont get it, if he takes over give the bloke a chance, what the fuck did he do in half a season at Spurs to be described as hilariously incompetent or utterly uninspiring, please explain.
On Wednesday night anybody but Lambert was fine so that must have included Sherwood, now there are rumours that he may or may not be appointed and there are so many posters kicking the shit out of him, I just dont get it, if he takes over give the bloke a chance, what the fuck did he do in half a season at Spurs to be described as hilariously incompetent or utterly uninspiring, please explain.
I didn't say anybody but Lambert. He'd be uninspiring because he is massively untested at this level apart from a dozen games at fucking Spurs (who didn't rate him enough to give him an actual job). We need experience to help us avoid being relegated.
Rigadon he had 28 games and Levy has gone through an awful lot of managers, I take your point about experience but I just think his swagger and confidence might help to shake those players out of the cycle of shit they have been on for so long, wouldent have been my first choice but I think he might have it in him to save us,
Swagger and confidence?
We have plenty of players with swagger and confidence as evidenced by the size of their earphones and the horse power of their cars.
What we don't have are players with a brain and Sherwood adds zero in the brain department.
What we have here is a clear case of corrosion of the collective cerebral cortex.
Foxy is rumoured to have a few functioning grey cells, so we must hope for the best.
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To be honest if we appoint Sherwood I don't think things will change too much, I'll still be right behind whoever we appoint though.
me too. Even with McLeish once I scraped my jaw off the floor I supported him until I couldn't. Once the appointment is made I am supporting Aston Villa.
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Klinsmann for me but I read he'd already turned it down. C'mon jurgen, its safe, bossie left years ago
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Rigadon he had 28 games and Levy has gone through an awful lot of managers, I take your point about experience but I just think his swagger and confidence might help to shake those players out of the cycle of shit they have been on for so long, wouldent have been my first choice but I think he might have it in him to save us,
He was quite willing to chuck Spurs' players under the bus after a loss, imagine the same with our lot, now, in the situation we're in.
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On Wednesday night anybody but Lambert was fine so that must have included Sherwood, now there are rumours that he may or may not be appointed and there are so many posters kicking the shit out of him, I just dont get it, if he takes over give the bloke a chance, what the fuck did he do in half a season at Spurs to be described as hilariously incompetent or utterly uninspiring, please explain.
On Wednesday night anybody but Lambert was fine so that must have included Sherwood, now there are rumours that he may or may not be appointed and there are so many posters kicking the shit out of him, I just dont get it, if he takes over give the bloke a chance, what the fuck did he do in half a season at Spurs to be described as hilariously incompetent or utterly uninspiring, please explain.
I didn't say anybody but Lambert. He'd be uninspiring because he is massively untested at this level apart from a dozen games at fucking Spurs (who didn't rate him enough to give him an actual job). We need experience to help us avoid being relegated.
Rigadon he had 28 games and Levy has gone through an awful lot of managers, I take your point about experience but I just think his swagger and confidence might help to shake those players out of the cycle of shit they have been on for so long, wouldent have been my first choice but I think he might have it in him to save us,
Swagger and confidence?
We have plenty of players with swagger and confidence as evidenced by the size of their earphones and the horse power of their cars.
What we don't have are players with a brain and Sherwood adds zero in the brain department.
What we have here is a clear case of corrosion of the collective cerebral cortex.
Foxy is rumoured to have a few functioning grey cells, so we must hope for the best.
Fair enough, lets reappoint Lambert
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I thought klinsman had turned it down
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Curbs is moving up in the betting
Maybe Sherwood and curbs DOF
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What's happened to martin dastardly jol ?
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On Wednesday night anybody but Lambert was fine so that must have included Sherwood, now there are rumours that he may or may not be appointed and there are so many posters kicking the shit out of him, I just dont get it, if he takes over give the bloke a chance, what the fuck did he do in half a season at Spurs to be described as hilariously incompetent or utterly uninspiring, please explain.
On Wednesday night anybody but Lambert was fine so that must have included Sherwood, now there are rumours that he may or may not be appointed and there are so many posters kicking the shit out of him, I just dont get it, if he takes over give the bloke a chance, what the fuck did he do in half a season at Spurs to be described as hilariously incompetent or utterly uninspiring, please explain.
I didn't say anybody but Lambert. He'd be uninspiring because he is massively untested at this level apart from a dozen games at fucking Spurs (who didn't rate him enough to give him an actual job). We need experience to help us avoid being relegated.
Rigadon he had 28 games and Levy has gone through an awful lot of managers, I take your point about experience but I just think his swagger and confidence might help to shake those players out of the cycle of shit they have been on for so long, wouldent have been my first choice but I think he might have it in him to save us,
Steve, if its him then I hope you're right mate. There's no evidence though. No track record. That team needs motivating, but also organising.
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Lambert actually had a record for doing those things well, he just couldn't translate them. Sherwood has a record of near-hilarious incompetence.
He hasn't though. He has a record for bringing into the Spurs side the current darling of English football Harry Kane, bringing in Benteleb into their midfield to add some bite that was lacking and Spurs fans gave him shit for, and winning 14 of 28 games in charge.
He isn't great, and is clearly much more of a motivator type than tactical visionary, but with 13 games to go in the shit, I am genuinely not convinced a Tuchel or Prandelli would come in and be able to get their ideas into the side that quickly. I genuinely think had Lambert got himself a strong coaching team around him last summer we would be much better off now, and I think the same with Sherwood.
He is also the one who'd brought through a good chunk of the younger players from his role with the U-21s who probably felt they owed him a debt of gratitude.
He is also the one who has several accusations that he'd spent most of the season undermining AVB with the staff and players whilst ingratiating himself with them.
He is also the one who took over a well drilled squad, that based on the above would have been pretty welcoming to him, that was used to playing reasonably well and getting decent results, and ended up with a similar results record, but with some important differences.
If my memory is correct, AVB messed up by not putting enough mediocre sides to the sword, but did OKish against the better squads.
Sherwood got his arse handed to him by the better squads but won against the dross by "giving it a go" with good players compensating for appalling tactics, Kyle Walker as a no. 10? Really?
He is also the one who on repeated occasions hung his players out to dry when it all went wrong, despite a good chunk of those occasions being as much due to his setting up of the team as much as the player's effort and application.
If I had to nominate one person who could make our current squad perform even worse, Sherwood would be on the list to consider.
Ability to destroy what little confidence the squad has left by blaming them for his deficiencies? Tick.
Makes Mike Bassett look like a tactical genius? Tick.
We don't have a bad squad, certainly not one that has to be where it currently is.
Someone with an ounce of tactical accumen and the ability to instill a modicum of self belief will get this squad across the line, and right now that's all it needs.
Tim Sherwood might actually get me betting on us to go down.
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Curbs is moving up in the betting
Maybe Sherwood and curbs DOF
How about Hitler and the Sheriff of Nottingham?
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Rigadon he had 28 games and Levy has gone through an awful lot of managers, I take your point about experience but I just think his swagger and confidence might help to shake those players out of the cycle of shit they have been on for so long, wouldent have been my first choice but I think he might have it in him to save us,
He was quite willing to chuck Spurs' players under the bus after a loss, imagine the same with our lot, now, in the situation we're in.
Tim Sherwood's very public and risky attack on his players was more of a message to his chairman
Criticising players in public is a dangerous game and, for managers, it is one that can backfire in the changing world of football
By Michael Owen9:00PM GMT 14 Mar 2014
There appears to be an unwritten, golden rule in football that a manager should never publicly criticise his players.
The risks are too great, potentially alienating those whose performances are integral to your own survival and threatening a breakdown in trust between the coaching and playing staff. If a member of the dressing room fancies a bit of back-stabbing, a manager condemning his own side in front of the cameras may be inadvertently prompting the search for a set of knives.
Rarely, if ever, do the greatest managers do this. Arsène Wenger never does it and I cannot recall Sir Alex Ferguson berating his players in the press.
In the dressing room or on the training ground was a different matter, but there was always a feeling that if anything needed to be said, far better to keep it in-house. There are certain boundaries managers do not like to cross.
Often it goes too far the other way. Criticising in public is frowned upon, but some of the most ridiculous post-match press conferences involve managers defending abysmal performances. Finding the right tone after an especially poor display requires a certain amount of dexterity.
It means when a manager does decide to let rip and attack his own players there is a novelty value but you have to ask yourself what it really achieves.
There is no doubt it tends to find a favourable response from supporters.
When Tim Sherwood decided to publicly criticise his Tottenham players following defeat to Chelsea, you can imagine many of the fans standing to applaud as he reflected their own frustration.
It always plays well to the gallery when the players take a pounding, the perception readily accepted by those outside of football that indulged modern footballers do not care enough about their club.
Give it to them. They deserve it, is the popular howl.
The response from fellow professionals tends to be rather more cautious because the dangers both in the long and short term can outweigh any immediate motivational impact.
It is impossible to generalise but my educated guess is some players will agree with the manager, others will be affronted and others will be determined to work harder to prove him wrong.
A few will not be bothered either way, will just keep their head down and get on with their job. The problem is, if the manager needs allies because results do not improve, those players with long (or short) memories might be inclined to recall whether he stood by them in difficult moments.
That is why, as a weapon of man-management, public criticism of your own employees tends to be a rather blunt one, not just in football but any industry. Everyone prefers to be spoken about favourably, or least criticised in private.
I would suggest the Tottenham players like any in a dressing room when a manager goes down this route will take a more objective view on what was going last weekend.
I am not sure Sherwoods remarks were simply an emotional reaction following a disappointing defeat at Chelsea.
It struck me he thought criticising members of his squad was a gamble worth taking because he does not rate some of the players he inherited and wants to send a message about recruiting replacements this summer. I suspect he was directing comments to his chairman, Daniel Levy, as much as the dressing room and the supporters.
Sherwood obviously wants fresh faces to build the team he wants. The problem for him, and indeed an increasing number of Premier League bosses, is the days when the manager dictated who is bought and sold are increasingly coming to an end.
Nowadays, the managers job is to work with what he is given rather than pick and choose the signings.
Tottenham are one of many adopting a more continental approach where the club determine their philosophy and recruit the players to fit it.
The clubs want coaches to get the best out of these signings, not what we would call managers to dictate to their board what deals get done.
Those embedded in English culture are still trying to come to terms with this. It is almost as if the clubs are recruiting players to fit their profile, but not applying the same to the managers, some of whom are uncomfortable with the idea they are not in charge of recruitment and may have to work with players they do not particularly fancy.
Traditionally, the most important relationship at a football club has not only been that of the manager and his players, but the manager and his chief executive. That is why Sir Alex and David Gill were so effective at Old Trafford.
The new regimes have directors of football or heads of recruitment connecting the manager and his boardroom.
Instead of accepting this new order, what we are seeing are recurring power struggles between managers, directors of football and chief executives.
As the face of the club, the manager is always in a position to curry favour from the supporters and it only needs a public comment about players (whom the manager did not sign) not being good enough for questions to be asked about the way a club is structured. Usually, the supporters will back their manager. The managers know this. All this can make for a politically toxic atmosphere.
What you have to remember about football clubs is they are more scheming than the corridors of Westminster. Beyond every comment there is a nuance and inference which is often more considered than might appear in the heat of the moment.
At every club there are times when the players do not get on with the manager, or the manager believes his chances of progressing are being damaged by those above him.
Your enemies will jump on any opportunity to undermine you, which is why the majority of managers will not supply any unnecessary ammunition and would rather bite their lip before taking on their own players.
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I blame the demise of the monarchy. In years gone by the future king of England would simply have sent his aides to instruct someone that they would now be managing Aston Villa..things were a lot simpler in those days.
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Well, imagine writing a manager off before he's actually agreed to take the job. Who on earth were you all expecting. A lot of the names on here have made me laugh out loud. What year do you think this is 1994?
Get real
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Some of you lot are unreal, absolutely unreal
Uber others getting a bit defensive with you but I know what you mean
Do you? I have no idea what the post means.
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I personally don't care who's in charge any more as long as we stay up. A new owner interests me more these days with the way money dictates the footballing world.
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Curbs is moving up in the betting
Maybe Sherwood and curbs DOF
How about Hitler and the Sheriff of Nottingham?
Now you come to think of it
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Rigadon he had 28 games and Levy has gone through an awful lot of managers, I take your point about experience but I just think his swagger and confidence might help to shake those players out of the cycle of shit they have been on for so long, wouldent have been my first choice but I think he might have it in him to save us,
He was quite willing to chuck Spurs' players under the bus after a loss, imagine the same with our lot, now, in the situation we're in.
Well the way we have played lately maybe hopefully he will carry out the threat!
Just joking :/
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I don't think there is any issue with us getting behind whoever is appointed.
If McLeish had won every game 1-0 and won the PL I'd have loved him forever. Whoever our manager is we want them to be successful for obvious reasons.
However, after too many weird (hasty?) appointments, surely we can expect those at the top to take a very careful, considered view of our situation/potential/ambition (more than ever before!) as declared by Fox recently.
I'm trying to forget about the Sherwood link until THE/ANY appointment is actually made. I hope it's not him. I hope it's someone with more experience, nous and kudos - befitting the great club that I've heard so many reputable voices refer to on the radio today.
We need to see a statement of intent in the appointment.
Someone to give credibility, hope and ambition.
UTV!
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What's happened to martin dastardly jol ?
Muttley, do something!
(http://www.onewildandpreciouslife.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Muttley_Laughs.jpg)
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If it's Sherwood I will be gutted but will still get behind them all again .
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Hopefully Sherwood is one of a number of candidates they are talking too? ala Solskjaer.
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On Wednesday night anybody but Lambert was fine so that must have included Sherwood, now there are rumours that he may or may not be appointed and there are so many posters kicking the shit out of him, I just dont get it, if he takes over give the bloke a chance, what the fuck did he do in half a season at Spurs to be described as hilariously incompetent or utterly uninspiring, please explain.
On Wednesday night anybody but Lambert was fine so that must have included Sherwood, now there are rumours that he may or may not be appointed and there are so many posters kicking the shit out of him, I just dont get it, if he takes over give the bloke a chance, what the fuck did he do in half a season at Spurs to be described as hilariously incompetent or utterly uninspiring, please explain.
I didn't say anybody but Lambert. He'd be uninspiring because he is massively untested at this level apart from a dozen games at fucking Spurs (who didn't rate him enough to give him an actual job). We need experience to help us avoid being relegated.
Rigadon he had 28 games and Levy has gone through an awful lot of managers, I take your point about experience but I just think his swagger and confidence might help to shake those players out of the cycle of shit they have been on for so long, wouldent have been my first choice but I think he might have it in him to save us,
Steve, if its him then I hope you're right mate. There's no evidence though. No track record. That team needs motivating, but also organising.
I agree not much of a track record Rigadon but I just have a feeling about him and if he gets the job we have all got to put our feelings to one side and get behind him, after all this it will probably be someone else who will also upset everybody.
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Sherwood? God I hope not.
I didn't want him before I read all the dreadful character assassinations based on his management 'career' of half a season, and I certainly don't want him now.
I hoped that Fox, being an Arsenal fan would have been aware of the negative aura surrounding this pompous little twat, and I'd assumed he had the intelligence to steer well clear.
I hope its all rumours, I really do, because I see a team in freefall, who are low on confidence and in desperate need of structure and organisation. The thought of them now being taken over by an egotistical inexperienced barrow boy will end in utter disaster.... and probable relegation.
And don't even get me started on his Spurs links.
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Keep us up and keep us ticking over with a meagre budget until I can sell the club.
How does that sound Mr Klinsman? Just sign here.
I see Sherwood as a reasonable appointment given the circumstances. A bit Gregory like, so could work in the short term, until we sell up and hopefully move up the football pecking order.
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Tim Sherwood's appeal must be seriously dulled by the fact that his No 2 has gone to QPR.
Id have thought the last thing we need is an inexperienced manager with a No2 he's never worked with.
We need experience, authority and organization to see us through. Just in the short term.
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We can all rest easy, Sol Campbell wants the job.
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There seems to be an awful lot of really negative stuff about sherwood.
I don't mean on here, I mean elsewhere.
Egotistical.
Manic.
Self serving.
A little bit deluded.
I have a feeling that firstly, being a cockerny, he won't travel well.
Secondly, we'll be wishing for a new manager within 12 months.
But, who knows eh?
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Some of you lot are unreal, absolutely unreal
Uber others getting a bit defensive with you but I know what you mean
Do you? I have no idea what the post means.
Uber is hinting that the massive over reaction to the possible appointment of Sherwood (Beelzebub) is maybe a little bit over the top
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Tim Sherwood's appeal must be seriously dulled by the fact that his No 2 has gone to QPR.
Id have thought the last thing we need is an inexperienced manager with a No2 he's never worked with.
We need experience, authority and organization to see us through. Just in the short term.
100% agree.
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Well, imagine writing a manager off before he's actually agreed to take the job. Who on earth were you all expecting. A lot of the names on here have made me laugh out loud. What year do you think this is 1994?
Get real
Most of us still think that the club we support deserves the best we can get.
You can hardly consider Sherwood a "manager" - he looked after Spuds for about 20 games.
Has he agreed to take the job?
Then it's not an issue...it's an opinion based on the prospect of a disappointing appointment.
You've clearly made your mind up that he's already got the job and everyone else on here is wrong.
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I detested Sherwood as a player and pray he doesn't become our manager.
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There seems to be an awful lot of really negative stuff about sherwood.
I don't mean on here, I mean elsewhere.
Egotistical.
Manic.
Self serving.
A little bit deluded.
Just to add, all of that stuff has come from Spuds fans, the set of people you'd think would look on him in a favourable light to at least some degree.
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I want to know that our club conducted as an extensive a search as is feasible given the circumstances and will make an appointment taking everything possible scenario into consideration. I just get the feeling if it is Sherwood we have take the easiest way out.
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I'm trying to be positive so bear with me. In Sherwood I see shades of JG. Arrogant, brash, self important, relatively inexperienced as manager and somewhat naive. Despite this, I really liked Gregory and although it was a lot about him, he did seem to get the players at it, most notably in his first half season. Could Sherwood do the same?
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it will all end in tears, I just hope we don't hand him a 3 year + contract, but I think we will, minimum 3 years i'd say
Lambert ended up rubbish, and we have replaced like with like I fear
I know he's not been appointed yet but lets face it he will be
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It's made for MON to return for 13 games . He owes us all.
Return, keep us up, and go. Closure.
Lerner sells up in the summer. Closure.
Hollywood .
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As a newbie I can`t post links (can a Mod do it for me?) but I had a look at the bbc match report of Sherwoods last game in charge.
Sherwood certainly comes across a lot more positive then Lambert ever did. Watching Lamberts interview after the same game he already sounds like a man who has given up!
If we do end up with Sherwood we really are flicking the coin on our survival.
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It's made for MON to return for 13 games . He owes us all.
Return, keep us up, and go. Closure.
Lerner sells up in the summer. Closure.
Hollywood .
apart from the last time MON managed in the premier league he was taking Sunderland down
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Why oh why does this club never learn???
Sherwood?! SHERWOOD?!?!?
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His last match in charge was his easiest.
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As a newbie I can`t post links (can a Mod do it for me?) but I had a look at the bbc match report of Sherwoods last game in charge.
Sherwood certainly comes across a lot more positive then Lambert ever did. Watching Lamberts interview after the same game he already sounds like a man who has given up!
If we do end up with Sherwood we really are flicking the coin on our survival.
I cant do links mate, and I've been on here 10 years
I think its more to do with me being a thicko though
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Tim Sherwood at Tottenham reminds me of when a medical secretary has to cover for a consultant's absence - surly, unco-operative, think they know it all because they know a few insider terms and have a completely warped view of their status in the food chain.
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There seems to be an awful lot of really negative stuff about sherwood.
I don't mean on here, I mean elsewhere.
Egotistical.
Manic.
Self serving.
A little bit deluded.
Just to add, all of that stuff has come from Spuds fans, the set of people you'd think would look on him in a favourable light to at least some degree.
My mate has stories of dodgy social habits whilst a player too.
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Agreed Steamin, as old a fart as I am I want to see someone a bit more "substantial" taking the reins for the situation we are in.
I'm sure Sherwood is positive, just a bit too much of a gamble - in the current circumstances - for my safety first mindset.
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If it's Sherwood I will be gutted but will still get behind them all again .
If it's Sherwood I will be gutted and I'll be keeping my money in my wallet. The final nail for me.
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Surely they've learnt their lesson with manager contracts. If we have to have Sherwood, only until the end of the season, then he's in the hat along with any, hopefully more charismatic managers.
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Tim Sherwood's appeal must be seriously dulled by the fact that his No 2 has gone to QPR.
Id have thought the last thing we need is an inexperienced manager with a No2 he's never worked with.
We need experience, authority and organization to see us through. Just in the short term.
100%
I'm not in the Sherwood camp either, but experience, authority and organisation are damn hard to find. Unless you consider pillocks like Warnock. This is why I suggested giving Nigel Clough a chance. He has earned a shot at a premiership club.
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http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/9713784/aston-villa-in-talks-with-tim-sherood-over-vacant-managers-job
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Joe Kinnear wouldn't take shit from anybody, we need that steel in a DOF.
Here's a totally-not-hilarious description of his time in the same role at Newcastle: Joe Kinnear DOF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Kinnear#2013_return_to_Newcastle)
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Tim Sherwood's appeal must be seriously dulled by the fact that his No 2 has gone to QPR.
Id have thought the last thing we need is an inexperienced manager with a No2 he's never worked with.
We need experience, authority and organization to see us through. Just in the short term.
100%
I'm not in the Sherwood camp either, but experience, authority and organisation are damn hard to find. Unless you consider pillocks like Warnock. This is why I suggested giving Nigel Clough a chance. He has earned a shot at a premiership club.
I think Clough the Younger is enjoying his time at Blades, Taylor, so would be difficult to prise away.
Having said that, I'd have him above Sherwood any day of the week.
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Tim Sherwood defends his player criticism (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foYXM3_yaR4&list=PLHccYxMggO5hqGfqrm8JcArKeJa7ONIqg)
It's harsh what he says. Mind you they did win 5 of their next 6 after the 4-0 loss to Chelsea
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I'm not thrilled at Sherwood but I like the majority wanted Lambert in, so what do we know?
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Let's be honest, no one with any credibility is going to take the job at this stage of the season. Why? Because it could end up turning sour with so few games to go and the likes of Klinsmann tarnish their reputation forever. So with that in mind, we're likely to end up with a mug who has little to lose from giving it a go for the last 13 games. Add to that, most people on here will fuckin' moan for moaning's sake regardless of who is appointed it makes it a depressing scenario. Personally, Allardyce is the exact person to take us on and could be possibly tempted but no doubt most people on here would moan at that citing some impossible name seen on Football Manager as the ideal replacement. Get real, we're in the shit and have a 50% chance of staying up. Who wants to take that risk, especially when the long term plan is non-existent?
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Because we didn't act when we should have done our choices were always going to be extremely limited. No chance for the new man to bring in new players and not much time to dramatically change tactics. Only option is to get someone in who will lift the confidence of the players and get more effort out of them. Sherwood did seem to rattle the under performing Spurs players, some of it too public for my liking, if it is him then I hope he can sort out quite a few of our lot.
Like others have said, perhaps its a bit like the John Gregory situation although he did know the squad.
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My heart forebodes that Sherwood would be another appointment that ends in tears. I can only hope he would get enough of a "new manager bounce" to avoid relegation this season.
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Very true bobo.
I think we all thought Lambert would get us playing some open, attacking football, making the most of some pretty average/promising players, like he did with Norwich.
But then he didn't.
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Who would be Sherwood's assistant? Any idea?
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This would be a truly idiotic appointment.
Seriously. Idiotic.
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I've decided I'd like Klinsmann to be the next manager, as this would make Villa a more attractive purchase for wealthy American tycoons, so you can be guaranteed this will not happen now.
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I'm not thrilled at Sherwood but I like the majority wanted Lambert in, so what do we know?
I didn't . I found the chants for him at Carrow Rd to be small time and desperate , not that I blame the fans after a season of Mcleish .
The villa job is a big job and needs a high calibre man.
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My heart forebodes that Sherwood would be another appointment that ends in tears. I can only hope he would get enough of a "new manager bounce" to avoid relegation this season.
If he is appointed, my hope too not3bad.
I think it's the most we can hope for whoever is appointed.
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We must be very limited in terms of our attraction at this moment, though, so I think we have to accept that any managers of the quality we would no doubt all like are out of the picture. Prandelli, De Boer, Bilic
while there is doubt about our Premier League status I doubt there is any chance at all that they will consider moving to Villa Park.
That leaves us with a very limited pool from which to make an appointment. It'll be has-beens or wannabes.
In my opinion, we should avoid the has-beens. Hoddle, Curbishley, McCarthy are managers out of their time, in my opinion.
That leaves the wannabes. Howe, Solskaer, Sherwood, Clough. Managers who may have something about them which could lift the club again, but would also likely be prepared to stick with us should we be relegated - because that is the reality of our situation (thanks for that, Randy!). Of those, I don't imagine Howe will leave Bournemouth at this point, Clough has been partially successful in a lower league again, Solskjaer got Cardiff relegated and Sherwood has very limit experience.
That's a poor field to choose from, and I hope the club has a wider cast than that but I'm not convinced so given our predicament. I suppose that, of that lot, Sherwood comes with a good degree of media support, which rightly or wrongly (it's wrongly) carries a fair bit of weight with lots of fans and players too. He is very confident of his ability, has a major point to prove and, at the end of the day, did a fair job at Spurs. I don't know enough about him but I get the impression that he might provide a lift, a blast of positive thinking to the squad, and he seems to be prepared to support the young players (I'm thinking of Bentaleb and Kane, here). He's been a reasonable well -thought of coach at Spurs, too, which I hope (and it's all hope) means that the has some up-to-date approaches in that area too.
I don't really think that much of him, to be honest, but of a field that I think will be restricted significantly by our position, I can see why he is being considered.
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Maybe he is just one of a few candidates we are talking too? Ala Solskjaer three years ago.
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I agree it is a big job but the team and City aren't very attractive. I'd argue the majority of the London clubs have more pulling power than us now. We haven't exactly seen new buyers queuing up, have we?
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This would be a truly idiotic appointment.
Seriously. Idiotic.
Idiotic gives it too much credit. Sherwood can fuck off.
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It's by no means a cert that Sherwood will be offered the job but the options to pick from will be very very scarce. For me it's just as important that we get a good coaching team in place.
Some on here need to realise the position we are in. Nobody with any quality will take the risk of the job in our current situation, for something could very well end in relegation. Who will want to risk their reputation on that basis? We've also got an owner who wants to sell.
I'm not keen on Sherwood & the comments about him are a concern but I have a strong dislike of many managers but I'd be quite happy to see some of them at Villa Park. We need someone with
Premier League experience & in normal circumstances Sherwood wouldn't get a sniff.
Like others have said, he reminds me very much of Gregory, but he was already here & knew the setup.
The press will soon start to pick up on any negativity & start roumours of a fans rebellion against Sherwood like the false ones about McClaren
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Maybe no one wants it, all I've heard is managers ruling themselves out so far.
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Did such a good job at spurs they released him 5 months into a 1.5 year deal.
I'm going to cry if we appoint him.
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I don't know whether it is idiotic, but it doesn't appear well thought through. He's available and is somewhat known to them seems to have been the overwhelming criteria. But I would sooner they took a few extra days, all of next week if needed to fly around or fly in other possible candidates. There has to have been more than Sherwood and fucking Soil Campbell that wanted the job. I really hope they know what they are doing if he is the man they hire.
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Did such a good job at spurs they released him 5 months into a 1.5 year deal.
I'm going to cry if we appoint him.
The Spurs fans booed him at an end of season testimonial match. That's some achievement in 5 months.
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Tim f*****g Sherwood, i'm starting to cry
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This is quite interesting.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=foYXM3_yaR4
Now, you can't really have issues with the way he talks and the stuff he is saying. I like this honesty.
But, this is from a bloke a who has been a manager for 5 minutes, and comes across as knob head arrogance.
Is that a bad thing or not? Bloody hell, I'm torn.
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I'm as depressed tonight as I was Tuesday night.
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I agree it is a big job but the team and City aren't very attractive. I'd argue the majority of the London clubs have more pulling power than us now. We haven't exactly seen new buyers queuing up, have we?
It's a job bobo.
It will be incredibly well-paid.
Why worry about where it is?
If it's the EPL it will be incredibly attractive to candidates from all over the world.
Of course potential buyers will be more attracted to London clubs, but at the moment they ain't queuing up to buy any of those either!
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There has to have been more than Sherwood and fucking Soil Campbell that wanted the job. I really hope they know what they are doing if he is the man they hire.
But there's the problem - how attractive is the job at Aston Villa right now? The club's for sale by a uninterested owner, in the bottom three and with a squad that cannot be added to. While it's far from certain that the club will be in the Premier League next season, I think lots of good coaches will steer clear.
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This is quite interesting.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=foYXM3_yaR4
Now, you can't really have issues with the way he talks and the stuff he is saying. I like this honesty.
But, this is from a bloke a who has been a manager for 5 minutes, and comes across as knob head arrogance.
Is that a bad thing or not? Bloody hell, I'm torn.
that's the video I had up earlier andy and I came away with the same thoughts. I think partly because Lambert ended up being such a bullshitter about just about everything that to hear that level of bluntness is almost refreshing. The flip side is, what kind of shelf life does that style of management have if your name isn't Mourinho and you've got a few European cups in your cabinet?
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We'll he's not getting the fanfare that greeted Lambert on here,
more like the abject misery that we served up for TSM
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A lot of people thought the same when JG took over, he had done well but struggled in earlier managerial roles. His immediate impact was nothing short of phenomenal......
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There has to have been more than Sherwood and fucking Soil Campbell that wanted the job. I really hope they know what they are doing if he is the man they hire.
But there's the problem - how attractive is the job at Aston Villa right now? The club's for sale by a uninterested owner, in the bottom three and with a squad that cannot be added to. While it's far from certain that the club will be in the Premier League next season, I think lots of good coaches will steer clear.
I think you're right, a lot will.
The problem i have is the suggestion that Sherwood is in any way qualified to keep us up, let alone manage us after that. I can't see anything that suggests he's going to be up to the first part of the job.
I was convinced we were going down until we got shot of Lambert. That, coming so late, leaves us a slim chance, but I honestly think right now, where we are, appointing Sherwood would be utterly brainless, and seal our fate.
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A lot of people thought the same when JG took over, he had done well but struggled in earlier managerial roles. His immediate impact was nothing short of phenomenal......
We weren't 18th with 13 games left to get us out of the shit when Gregory took over, and we'd finished 5th and 4th the two previous seasons. Totally different scenario.
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This is quite interesting.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=foYXM3_yaR4
Now, you can't really have issues with the way he talks and the stuff he is saying. I like this honesty.
But, this is from a bloke a who has been a manager for 5 minutes, and comes across as knob head arrogance.
Is that a bad thing or not? Bloody hell, I'm torn.
that's the video I had up earlier andy and I came away with the same thoughts. I think partly because Lambert ended up being such a bullshitter about just about everything that to hear that level of bluntness is almost refreshing. The flip side is, what kind of shelf life does that style of management have if your name isn't Mourinho and you've got a few European cups in your cabinet?
Totally agree TV....tell you what, I'm glad we ain't picking the next bloke, but bloody hell, he'd better be good, eh ?
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There has to have been more than Sherwood and fucking Soil Campbell that wanted the job. I really hope they know what they are doing if he is the man they hire.
But there's the problem - how attractive is the job at Aston Villa right now? The club's for sale by a uninterested owner, in the bottom three and with a squad that cannot be added to. While it's far from certain that the club will be in the Premier League next season, I think lots of good coaches will steer clear.
I think you're right, a lot will.
The problem i have is the suggestion that Sherwood is in any way qualified to keep us up, let alone manage us after that. I can't see anything that suggests he's going to be up to the first part of the job.
I was convinced we were going down until we got shot of Lambert. That, coming so late, leaves us a slim chance, but I honestly think right now, where we are, appointing Sherwood would be utterly brainless, and seal our fate.
Yeah, I think I'm with you on this. I suppose it will just be pure hope that he can motivate the squad enough to get themselves out of trouble. I actually think he might, but that's just hope, too.
After that, I reckon he'll be pretty poor. But who else is there?
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I don't know whether it is idiotic, but it doesn't appear well thought through. He's available and is somewhat known to them seems to have been the overwhelming criteria. But I would sooner they took a few extra days, all of next week if needed to fly around or fly in other possible candidates. There has to have been more than Sherwood and fucking Soil Campbell that wanted the job. I really hope they know what they are doing if he is the man they hire.
It's what I think we should all cling to also TV.
Sherwood maybe being mentioned in the media and touted by the bookies, but perhaps that's because he's only one of a number they are looking at, but the one that is easy for audiences to recognise/link to.
I'd love Tom Fox to call a press conference next week and announce....someone we can all have belief in (unlikely to be Mr T Sherwood) - has been appointed the new Aston Villa manager.
We have to have confidence in Fox and co to make the right choice.
UTV!
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Have a read of this, as posted earlier.
http://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2015/2/13/8031277/aston-villa-manager-tim-sherwood-paul-lambert-tottenham-hotspur
Seriously, he sounds shocking.
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They weren't far off 18th.....
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There has to have been more than Sherwood and fucking Soil Campbell that wanted the job. I really hope they know what they are doing if he is the man they hire.
But there's the problem - how attractive is the job at Aston Villa right now? The club's for sale by a uninterested owner, in the bottom three and with a squad that cannot be added to. While it's far from certain that the club will be in the Premier League next season, I think lots of good coaches will steer clear.
I think you're right, a lot will.
The problem i have is the suggestion that Sherwood is in any way qualified to keep us up, let alone manage us after that. I can't see anything that suggests he's going to be up to the first part of the job.
I was convinced we were going down until we got shot of Lambert. That, coming so late, leaves us a slim chance, but I honestly think right now, where we are, appointing Sherwood would be utterly brainless, and seal our fate.
Yeah, I think I'm with you on this. I suppose it will just be pure hope that he can motivate the squad enough to get themselves out of trouble. I actually think he might, but that's just hope, too.
After that, I reckon he'll be pretty poor. But who else is there?
If it becomes about who we can get now, I would leave Marshall and Marshall in charge till the end of the season, let alone choose other managers.
You mention motivating the squad, surely Sherwood's short spell at Spurs is mostly remembered for doing the absolute opposite.
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The supporters trust meeting with Tom Fox next week is going to be cracking. Do you think the new manager will be in by then?
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Have a read of this, as posted earlier.
http://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2015/2/13/8031277/aston-villa-manager-tim-sherwood-paul-lambert-tottenham-hotspur
Seriously, he sounds shocking.
I know, I know. I'm just choosing to hope that they are just slightly cross, unrealistic Spurs fans.
But I think they're probably right.
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They weren't far off 18th.....
14th and 8 points clear of the relegation zone.
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There has to have been more than Sherwood and fucking Soil Campbell that wanted the job. I really hope they know what they are doing if he is the man they hire.
But there's the problem - how attractive is the job at Aston Villa right now? The club's for sale by a uninterested owner, in the bottom three and with a squad that cannot be added to. While it's far from certain that the club will be in the Premier League next season, I think lots of good coaches will steer clear.
I think you're right, a lot will.
The problem i have is the suggestion that Sherwood is in any way qualified to keep us up, let alone manage us after that. I can't see anything that suggests he's going to be up to the first part of the job.
I was convinced we were going down until we got shot of Lambert. That, coming so late, leaves us a slim chance, but I honestly think right now, where we are, appointing Sherwood would be utterly brainless, and seal our fate.
Yeah, I think I'm with you on this. I suppose it will just be pure hope that he can motivate the squad enough to get themselves out of trouble. I actually think he might, but that's just hope, too.
After that, I reckon he'll be pretty poor. But who else is there?
If it becomes about who we can get now, I would leave Marshall and Marshall in charge till the end of the season, let alone choose other managers.
You mention motivating the squad, surely Sherwood's short spell at Spurs is mostly remembered for doing the absolute opposite.
Is it? Maybe. I just remember him having a pop at the team and then them winning a bunch of games.
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@anthonypears09: Ugo Ehiogu who has worked with Sherwood, said he's authoritative knowledgeable and funny, that he could be a good choice for Villa.#avfc
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I'm drunk but I've emailed Tom Fox asking him not to appoint Sherwood.
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Only this Aston Villa board could turn the elation I felt on Wednesday night into complete despair within 48 hours.
Go USA!
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I stand corrected, amazing when you're reminiscing everything seems better than it was.....
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There has to have been more than Sherwood and fucking Soil Campbell that wanted the job. I really hope they know what they are doing if he is the man they hire.
But there's the problem - how attractive is the job at Aston Villa right now? The club's for sale by a uninterested owner, in the bottom three and with a squad that cannot be added to. While it's far from certain that the club will be in the Premier League next season, I think lots of good coaches will steer clear.
I think you're right, a lot will.
The problem i have is the suggestion that Sherwood is in any way qualified to keep us up, let alone manage us after that. I can't see anything that suggests he's going to be up to the first part of the job.
I was convinced we were going down until we got shot of Lambert. That, coming so late, leaves us a slim chance, but I honestly think right now, where we are, appointing Sherwood would be utterly brainless, and seal our fate.
Yeah, I think I'm with you on this. I suppose it will just be pure hope that he can motivate the squad enough to get themselves out of trouble. I actually think he might, but that's just hope, too.
After that, I reckon he'll be pretty poor. But who else is there?
If it becomes about who we can get now, I would leave Marshall and Marshall in charge till the end of the season, let alone choose other managers.
You mention motivating the squad, surely Sherwood's short spell at Spurs is mostly remembered for doing the absolute opposite.
Is it? Maybe. I just remember him having a pop at the team and then them winning a bunch of games.
Spurs who were in 6th place when he took over. It's a totally different situation to what we have now.
Do you think this sounds like what we need to squeeze performances out of the squad to keep them up?
Sherwood was very much looking out for number one. He would blame the team for losing because they did not show enough spirit. Most interestingly he did this after Spurs got obliterated by Chelsea, which happened in large part because he played Kyle Walker, who is a right back, in central midfield. He would also do things like make fun of our 22 year old record signing Erik Lamela for not speaking English. That would be 22 year old Argentine Erik Lamela who was clearly having trouble adjusting to England. .
or this
Sherwood regularly blamed his players for losses. He would play Nacer Chadli in central midfield and then complain that Spurs were conceding chances because the lads weren't showing enough heart and effort. He mocked Erik Lamela's injury problems. It was utterly maddening.
or this:
Tim tried to craft himself as a populist, arm-around-the-shoulder, up by the bootstraps kind of player's manager, but in truth he was one of the first to blame his own players when things didn't go well on the pitch. He talked incessantly about how Spurs lacked "grit" and "heart," both English football terrace buzz-words that were crafted to endear himself to the common fan in the stands, but had absolutely no meaning in the context of a football match. To be fair, he probably believed it himself, but he came across as as more of a "lad" and less of a tactically astute, intelligent manager. I think he saw himself as a media-savvy and friendly manager in the style of Redknapp, but his propensity to throw his own players under the bus didn't endear him to many fans (though in fairness it did appeal to a certain subset of Tottenham fandom, who love him to this day).
Moreover, it's pretty common knowledge now that before AVB left the club Sherwood was actively trying to undermine his credibility and position himself to succeed him as Tottenham's new manager. There are lots of accounts of back-stabbing, Machiavellian maneuvering, and cozying up with key figures in Spurs' front office. All of it is hearsay of course, but considering his behavior during and since his Tottenham tenure, it's not one I find particularly difficult to believe.
This is anecdotal, but don't forget, we're not just in need of someone who is "not a negative factor" on a team, we are looking for the complete opposite.
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Sherwood out!
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Sherwood out!
yes please
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I think Sherwood is good as we realistically can get right now. i really don't think the club want a long-term appointment right now and may even wait until the summer contractually, or at least let Sherwood know that he is in charge but it will be re-assessed in the summer. For all the names bandied around very few would consider joining a tough fight at this point of the season wherever they may be managing right now.
Put aside what anyone may think of Sherwood now, if he is indeed confirmed, because he has every chance of us doing a Gregory when he come in. Sometimes it just clicks and we all know there is a team potentially in there. If he keeps us up and has done in it well then he will have deserved a chance of staying in charge for next season. If we are up and down and survive by the skin of our teeth I don't think he'll be in charge newt season. Then more other-employed managers will become interested. It could also go shit, but that's where we are now.
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I'd take McLeish back over Sherwood.
In fact, I'd back David O'Leary to do better with this squad than Tim Sherwood.
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There has to have been more than Sherwood and fucking Soil Campbell that wanted the job. I really hope they know what they are doing if he is the man they hire.
But there's the problem - how attractive is the job at Aston Villa right now? The club's for sale by a uninterested owner, in the bottom three and with a squad that cannot be added to. While it's far from certain that the club will be in the Premier League next season, I think lots of good coaches will steer clear.
I think you're right, a lot will.
The problem i have is the suggestion that Sherwood is in any way qualified to keep us up, let alone manage us after that. I can't see anything that suggests he's going to be up to the first part of the job.
I was convinced we were going down until we got shot of Lambert. That, coming so late, leaves us a slim chance, but I honestly think right now, where we are, appointing Sherwood would be utterly brainless, and seal our fate.
Yeah, I think I'm with you on this. I suppose it will just be pure hope that he can motivate the squad enough to get themselves out of trouble. I actually think he might, but that's just hope, too.
After that, I reckon he'll be pretty poor. But who else is there?
If it becomes about who we can get now, I would leave Marshall and Marshall in charge till the end of the season, let alone choose other managers.
You mention motivating the squad, surely Sherwood's short spell at Spurs is mostly remembered for doing the absolute opposite.
Is it? Maybe. I just remember him having a pop at the team and then them winning a bunch of games.
Spurs who were in 6th place when he took over. It's a totally different situation to what we have now.
Do you think this sounds like what we need to squeeze performances out of the squad to keep them up?
Sherwood was very much looking out for number one. He would blame the team for losing because they did not show enough spirit. Most interestingly he did this after Spurs got obliterated by Chelsea, which happened in large part because he played Kyle Walker, who is a right back, in central midfield. He would also do things like make fun of our 22 year old record signing Erik Lamela for not speaking English. That would be 22 year old Argentine Erik Lamela who was clearly having trouble adjusting to England. .
or this
Sherwood regularly blamed his players for losses. He would play Nacer Chadli in central midfield and then complain that Spurs were conceding chances because the lads weren't showing enough heart and effort. He mocked Erik Lamela's injury problems. It was utterly maddening.
or this:
Tim tried to craft himself as a populist, arm-around-the-shoulder, up by the bootstraps kind of player's manager, but in truth he was one of the first to blame his own players when things didn't go well on the pitch. He talked incessantly about how Spurs lacked "grit" and "heart," both English football terrace buzz-words that were crafted to endear himself to the common fan in the stands, but had absolutely no meaning in the context of a football match. To be fair, he probably believed it himself, but he came across as as more of a "lad" and less of a tactically astute, intelligent manager. I think he saw himself as a media-savvy and friendly manager in the style of Redknapp, but his propensity to throw his own players under the bus didn't endear him to many fans (though in fairness it did appeal to a certain subset of Tottenham fandom, who love him to this day).
Moreover, it's pretty common knowledge now that before AVB left the club Sherwood was actively trying to undermine his credibility and position himself to succeed him as Tottenham's new manager. There are lots of accounts of back-stabbing, Machiavellian maneuvering, and cozying up with key figures in Spurs' front office. All of it is hearsay of course, but considering his behavior during and since his Tottenham tenure, it's not one I find particularly difficult to believe.
This is anecdotal, but don't forget, we're not just in need of someone who is "not a negative factor" on a team, we are looking for the complete opposite.
No, it doesn't at all. I read the article and was just as worried as you are. I had no recollection of Walker in midfield, or Chadli as a holding midfielder either. Sounds fairly mad.
But regardless of where Spurs were, he did OK with them. He may have pissed off a group of players, but he also appealed to some of them, too.
I dunno. I think he's a prat, to be honest, and I'll hardly be overjoyed with his appointment, should it happen, but as I said, he might just be the tallest dwarf.
Edit: A quick look here suggest Walker played right wing in that game, not centre-midfield http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/jose-mourinho-was-delighted-kyle-walker-played-in-midfield-for-spurs-at-chelsea/ (http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/jose-mourinho-was-delighted-kyle-walker-played-in-midfield-for-spurs-at-chelsea/)
And this match report seems to think it wasn't too outlandish http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1985843-sherwoods-changes-undone-by-mistakes-and-lack-of-heart-as-spurs-lose-to-chelsea (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1985843-sherwoods-changes-undone-by-mistakes-and-lack-of-heart-as-spurs-lose-to-chelsea)
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Wouldn't be my choice but he knows the current premiership.We wanted the change and we got. We didn't want The wally with the Brolly!He Would have been far better than Lambert as it turns out.So if it is Sherwood give him the benefit of the doubt .Who ever it is needs all the support he can get.Come you Lions
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I've never given a fuck what a Spurs fan thinks and I don't intend to start now.
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I've never given a fuck what a Spurs fan thinks and I don't intend to start now.
Neither do I, usually, but when my fears about a manager are confirmed by someone who has spent a lot more time watching him at work than I have, I worry.
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Edit: A quick look here suggest Walker played right wing in that game, not centre-midfield http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/jose-mourinho-was-delighted-kyle-walker-played-in-midfield-for-spurs-at-chelsea/ (http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/jose-mourinho-was-delighted-kyle-walker-played-in-midfield-for-spurs-at-chelsea/)
It certainly seems to have impressed Mourinho:
And, The Special One had an intriguing critique of Tim Sherwoods tactics wondering why Kyle Walker played right wing.
Mourinho makes the comments around the 2:25 mark on the video above: For us it was very good Walker played right winger because when he plays right back I have to control it in a different way. And I have to give a defensive job to my left winger. When Walker plays against Azpilicueta, he was in the pocket! Was good for us!
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I'd take McLeish back over Sherwood.
In fact, I'd back David O'Leary to do better with this squad than Tim Sherwood.
Really?
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I'd take McLeish back over Sherwood.
In fact, I'd back David O'Leary to do better with this squad than Tim Sherwood.
Really?
Absolutely.
We might as well appoint Gabby as player-manager as make Sherwood manager. Gabby would probably show more tactical acumen.
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If all this is due to reports of us talking to Sherwood, I don't have much of an issue with it. He's available so holding a meeting isn't exactly unforgivable. I would want to talk to as many as possible. That doesn't mean I want Sherwood, at least not on a long-term basis when he's unproven. He might be able to get a short-term response out of them that could be enough for us to survive the season. I would much rather have an experienced foreign coach along the lines of the last 2 Southampton appointments.
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Edit: A quick look here suggest Walker played right wing in that game, not centre-midfield http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/jose-mourinho-was-delighted-kyle-walker-played-in-midfield-for-spurs-at-chelsea/ (http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/jose-mourinho-was-delighted-kyle-walker-played-in-midfield-for-spurs-at-chelsea/)
It certainly seems to have impressed Mourinho:
And, The Special One had an intriguing critique of Tim Sherwoods tactics wondering why Kyle Walker played right wing.
Mourinho makes the comments around the 2:25 mark on the video above: For us it was very good Walker played right winger because when he plays right back I have to control it in a different way. And I have to give a defensive job to my left winger. When Walker plays against Azpilicueta, he was in the pocket! Was good for us!
But it's hardly the same as playing him in centre-midfield, is it?
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I suppose he played a significant role in the rise to prominence of Bentaleb and Kane. He also got the best out of Adebayor who up until that point had been frozen out and dis-interested under AVB.
The hope is that perhaps 1-2 of our youngsters (Grealish) and 1-2 underperforming senior players (notably Benteke and Gabby) manage to have a purple patch under him. We certainly need that sort of instant impact from someone, anyone really.
If he can get a spring in the step of a few of our better players then it may make up for his lack of tactical nous. We need any inspiration we can get.
Fingers crossed and hope for the best.
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If it's for any longer than 15 months or however long it is until the end of next season, they're a bunch of utter pillocks.
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He's not my first choice, he's probably no ones first choice, but if he gets the job I'll get behind him and the team. We all will, because that's what's important now. If he keeps us up I'll take my hat off to him, if he doesn't I dare say I'll criticise him but until I know what the outcome is I'll reserve judgement and hope for the best.
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I've never given a fuck what a Spurs fan thinks and I don't intend to start now.
Neither do I, usually, but when my fears about a manager are confirmed by someone who has spent a lot more time watching him at work than I have, I worry.
I don't know what to make of all of the player positional stories. Ferguson over the years played all kinds of players in odd positions but found ways to win. Not in the least trying to place Sherwood in the Ferguson bracket off course but just offering aome perspective to one persons observations. I mean MON having full backs played them on the bench and CB's and CM'a at RB, and even LVG at Man U now is playing Rooney in a deep midfield role.
Sherwood being an arrogant cock is without dispute though.
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I'm trying to be positive so bear with me. In Sherwood I see shades of JG. Arrogant, brash, self important, relatively inexperienced as manager and somewhat naive. Despite this, I really liked Gregory and although it was a lot about him, he did seem to get the players at it, most notably in his first half season. Could Sherwood do the same?
And exactly like JG, he got away with it to start with, at least in part because of his existing relationship with the players.
He'd be coming here without that relationship, nothing to command respect, but a great deal of suspicion if our players listened to some of his post match interviews last season.
Car crash viewing at it's very worst.
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I've never given a fuck what a Spurs fan thinks and I don't intend to start now.
Neither do I, usually, but when my fears about a manager are confirmed by someone who has spent a lot more time watching him at work than I have, I worry.
It would be a bit like a Sunderland fan saying "I've never given a fuck what a Villa fan thinks" when we were pointing out O'Neill's myriad flaws.
Every Spurs fan on the planet seems to be delighted to be rid of him and enjoying a manager who is competent. That's not normally the sign of sour grapes.
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I think Sherwood is good as we realistically can get right now. i really don't think the club want a long-term appointment right now and may even wait until the summer contractually, or at least let Sherwood know that he is in charge but it will be re-assessed in the summer. For all the names bandied around very few would consider joining a tough fight at this point of the season wherever they may be managing right now.
Put aside what anyone may think of Sherwood now, if he is indeed confirmed, because he has every chance of us doing a Gregory when he come in. Sometimes it just clicks and we all know there is a team potentially in there. If he keeps us up and has done in it well then he will have deserved a chance of staying in charge for next season. If we are up and down and survive by the skin of our teeth I don't think he'll be in charge newt season. Then more other-employed managers will become interested. It could also go shit, but that's where we are now.
A very sensible post amongst the Sherwood hysteria on here.
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Edit: A quick look here suggest Walker played right wing in that game, not centre-midfield http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/jose-mourinho-was-delighted-kyle-walker-played-in-midfield-for-spurs-at-chelsea/ (http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/jose-mourinho-was-delighted-kyle-walker-played-in-midfield-for-spurs-at-chelsea/)
It certainly seems to have impressed Mourinho:
And, The Special One had an intriguing critique of Tim Sherwoods tactics wondering why Kyle Walker played right wing.
Mourinho makes the comments around the 2:25 mark on the video above: For us it was very good Walker played right winger because when he plays right back I have to control it in a different way. And I have to give a defensive job to my left winger. When Walker plays against Azpilicueta, he was in the pocket! Was good for us!
But it's hardly the same as playing him in centre-midfield, is it?
Even if you accept that, what about all the other points?
What about the total lack of evidence that a rookie manager with 20 odd league games under his belt prior to getting the sack is going to be able to lift a team currently sat in 18th position in the league with 13 matches left?
Where's the evidence he's going to be able to do that?
And I don't mean evidence that means you can't rule him out of being able to - ie the "sometimes it just clicks" argument, which is basically random - I mean "yes, this makes me think Sherwood is the best appointment we can make"?
I haven't seen any of that from anyone. The closest I've seen is "He's got to be better than Lambert" (which is the ultimate in pointless arguments as it means precisely nothing) and "he's the best we can get" (which strikes me as strange when we're talking about a job which probably has a £2m salary).
I'm totally willing to be convinced this is a good idea, but all I have seen so far is the argument that he's not someone else, and we can't attract a top notch manager.
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He's not my first choice, he's probably no ones first choice, but if he gets the job I'll get behind him and the team. We all will, because that's what's important now. If he keeps us up I'll take my hat off to him, if he doesn't I dare say I'll criticise him but until I know what the outcome is I'll reserve judgement and hope for the best.
What is most important is making the best appointment we can.
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I've been off the grid, why is everyone talking about Sherwood like it's a done deal? They can't be seriously thinking about putting Aston Villa's fate in the hands of Tim Sherwood surely!? Only if another 100 managers turned us down first should we be desperate enough to give him the job FFS.
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Edit: A quick look here suggest Walker played right wing in that game, not centre-midfield http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/jose-mourinho-was-delighted-kyle-walker-played-in-midfield-for-spurs-at-chelsea/ (http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/jose-mourinho-was-delighted-kyle-walker-played-in-midfield-for-spurs-at-chelsea/)
It certainly seems to have impressed Mourinho:
And, The Special One had an intriguing critique of Tim Sherwoods tactics wondering why Kyle Walker played right wing.
Mourinho makes the comments around the 2:25 mark on the video above: For us it was very good Walker played right winger because when he plays right back I have to control it in a different way. And I have to give a defensive job to my left winger. When Walker plays against Azpilicueta, he was in the pocket! Was good for us!
But it's hardly the same as playing him in centre-midfield, is it?
Even if you accept that, what about all the other points?
What about the total lack of evidence that a rookie manager with 20 odd league games under his belt prior to getting the sack is going to be able to lift a team currently sat in 18th position in the league with 13 matches left?
Where's the evidence he's going to be able to do that?
And I don't mean evidence that means you can't rule him out of being able to - ie the "sometimes it just clicks" argument, which is basically random - I mean "yes, this makes me think Sherwood is the best appointment we can make"?
I haven't seen any of that from anyone. The closest I've seen is "He's got to be better than Lambert" (which is the ultimate in pointless arguments as it means precisely nothing) and "he's the best we can get" (which strikes me as strange when we're talking about a job which probably has a £2m salary).
I'm totally willing to be convinced this is a good idea, but all I have seen so far is the argument that he's not someone else, and we can't attract a top notch manager.
Well, that's just it, isn't it? If we're talking about a results business, then his (very limited) record stands up. I take the point about it being with a good team and whatnot. But he did OK. Which means the 'evidence' is on his side.
Again, I think he's a prat, but I also think he is a viable candidate for us right now (a shame, but there we are).
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No words
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I've never given a fuck what a Spurs fan thinks and I don't intend to start now.
Two of my best mates are spurs fans. They live in Goulders Green. Two of the nicest blokes you could meet. They hated Sherwood when they had him. Now they are worried on our behalf.
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We desperately need more people called Marshall. Ian Marshall mullet king of Oldham needs to get Gabby & Benteke scoring whilst Marshall Mathers aka M&M will come in and get things rapped up.
In the absence of any more Marshalls coming to the fore, I'd get behind anyone as even Stephen Hawkins would be better in charge than the Motherwell mumbler. Thanks heavens Tom Fox finally grew a pair and got rid of PL.
First objective, create a unified fortress for Sunday where the fans as one get behind the team to send those inbreds back to the shite side of the Midlands.
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Here here
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Last summer:
Sky sources say Albion in talks with Tim Sherwood
Sky sources say Sherwood has been offered the Albion job
Sky sources say Sherwood turns down Albion job
This week:
All over the papers that Sherwood was out of the running for the QPR job after failing to receive certain assurances
Tonight:
Sky sources say Sherwood in talks with Villa
Would it come out from the Albion end that someone had been offered the job, or worse turned them down - or from QPR that they wouldn't give assurances about the club's future.
And since when have Villa leaked which managers they're talking to?
Who is this Sky source I wonder? How do the papers seem to know Sherwood's every move? And who's lumping money on him getting the Villa job?
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Edit: A quick look here suggest Walker played right wing in that game, not centre-midfield http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/jose-mourinho-was-delighted-kyle-walker-played-in-midfield-for-spurs-at-chelsea/ (http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/jose-mourinho-was-delighted-kyle-walker-played-in-midfield-for-spurs-at-chelsea/)
It certainly seems to have impressed Mourinho:
And, The Special One had an intriguing critique of Tim Sherwoods tactics wondering why Kyle Walker played right wing.
Mourinho makes the comments around the 2:25 mark on the video above: For us it was very good Walker played right winger because when he plays right back I have to control it in a different way. And I have to give a defensive job to my left winger. When Walker plays against Azpilicueta, he was in the pocket! Was good for us!
But it's hardly the same as playing him in centre-midfield, is it?
Even if you accept that, what about all the other points?
What about the total lack of evidence that a rookie manager with 20 odd league games under his belt prior to getting the sack is going to be able to lift a team currently sat in 18th position in the league with 13 matches left?
Where's the evidence he's going to be able to do that?
And I don't mean evidence that means you can't rule him out of being able to - ie the "sometimes it just clicks" argument, which is basically random - I mean "yes, this makes me think Sherwood is the best appointment we can make"?
I haven't seen any of that from anyone. The closest I've seen is "He's got to be better than Lambert" (which is the ultimate in pointless arguments as it means precisely nothing) and "he's the best we can get" (which strikes me as strange when we're talking about a job which probably has a £2m salary).
I'm totally willing to be convinced this is a good idea, but all I have seen so far is the argument that he's not someone else, and we can't attract a top notch manager.
Well, that's just it, isn't it? If we're talking about a results business, then his (very limited) record stands up. I take the point about it being with a good team and whatnot. But he did OK. Which means the 'evidence' is on his side.
Again, I think he's a prat, but I also think he is a viable candidate for us right now (a shame, but there we are).
Eh? He took over a team in sixth or seventh place for just over half a season and kept it in sixth or seventh place.
I'm not looking for evidence of his ability to that. I'm talking about evidence that he can come to a club which is in 18th place and, in the space of 13 games, get them out of the relegation zone and keep them there.
Evidence he can be assistant manager at Spurs, talk his old boss into the sack, take over and keep them in the Europa League places for a few months isn't really going to be of much relevance to us.
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Eh? He took over a team in sixth or seventh place for just over half a season and kept it in sixth or seventh place.
I'm not looking for evidence of his ability to that. I'm talking about evidence that he can come to a club which is in 18th place and, in the space of 13 games, get them out of the relegation zone and keep them there.
Evidence he can be assistant manager at Spurs and keep them in the Europa League places for a few months isn't really going to be of much relevance to us.
But that's all the evidence there is. And it shows he did OK.
Which managers can you think of do have a bank of work that does provide the specific evidence you are after?
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All of the (realistic) options being suggested are less than ideal which, I assume, is why they were loathe to ditch Lambert until they felt they had no choice. Therefore we are starting from a poor position both in terms of available candidates and time. I think circumstances dictate that it has to be somebody who knows this league and what is required immediately, they have absolutely no prospect of a 'honeymoon period'.
Can anyone come up with a name that fits the above and that most of us would be happy with?
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There are a couple of things though.
Timing - we have to give the new bloke 13 games, and starting with Stoke at home with a win would give a hell of a boost before the next games came along. We are not going to get someone in work out of their deals and in place in that time. We are not going to get Klinsmann, and thankfully we are not looking at Hoddle for the top job.
So of who could be got, immediately, it comes down to Sherwood, Curbishley, etc....
I think saying you would prefer McLeish back is a bit OTT, as we all know he would be negative as hell and try and draw our way to safety, with the entire fan base against him, so it would be utterly counter productive if played out.
O'Leary hasn't worked at any decent level since he left Villa such was his criminal final season, and the lack of heart and effort shown in the 5-0 defeat at Spurs that season I still have scars from.
Sherwood I would doubt is first choice with anyone, but he is someone I reckon can get us out of it in the short term. With the TV deal on the table, the short term has to have priority, we need a boost and we need someone to lead us. He was a captain for years, he has managed albeit for a short period and realistically has got a decent record of winning games against average sides, which are exactly the games we need to win.
If he comes in and rejuvenates Benteke and gets some form from Delph through the middle of the park we can stay up. Which is the priority. Do that he deserves a shot next season to build on it. I hope all get behind him, and give him a shot if he takes it. But I also think the club have to be smart enough to get some experienced coaching structures around him.
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No manager with a big reputation is going to come to us at this stage of the season, especially if "their" team is on the verge of something special.
Sherwood has the balls to tell it like it is to the players and will not say they were "excellent" after the game when they were "shit" Ye he is probably not the long term answer but i think he could keep us up. And if the speed of hiring him enhances the "new manager" syndrome. So be it ..........
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We should have sacked Lambert weeks ago and brought Pullis in until the end of the season.
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Eh? He took over a team in sixth or seventh place for just over half a season and kept it in sixth or seventh place.
I'm not looking for evidence of his ability to that. I'm talking about evidence that he can come to a club which is in 18th place and, in the space of 13 games, get them out of the relegation zone and keep them there.
Evidence he can be assistant manager at Spurs and keep them in the Europa League places for a few months isn't really going to be of much relevance to us.
But that's all the evidence there is. And it shows he did OK.
Which managers can you think of do have a bank of work that does provide the specific evidence you are after?
But, as I said, it is totally irrelevant to where we are. And even then, let's not forget, he did so alright that Spurs sacked him at the first available opportunity.
I could draw up a list of possibilities none of which are particularly appealing, but most of them would be better than sherwood. Look at oddscheckers' list of odds for the job. Half of the names listed there would be better.
And, what's more, I'm just a fan venting on a message board. Fox and Lerner have managed to get this club into an absolute disastrous mess.
They now have to do two things. Keep us in the top flight, and make an appointment which will suggest that, finally, we're being dragged into the modern world. We thought we were getting that with Lambert, but it didn't work out.
Not because the idea was bad, but because the man they chose wasn't up to it.
I just don't see the point in sacking Lambert and then appointing someone with a fraction of his experience and expecting him to do better in the space of 13 games.
What about Michael Laudrup? What about Prandelli? What about Chris Hughton (yes, him)? What about Nigel Adkins? What about Jol? What about Nigel Clough? What about Ranieri? What about Slaven Bilic? What about leaving the Marshalls in charge till the summer, then making a long term appointment?
I'm not saying that I'd want all, or any, of the above, but at least half of those are better options than Sherwood.
The one thing they got right was sacking Lambert the day after Hull. That gave us almost two weeks till our next league game. To then rush out and sign up Sherwood within a few days strikes me as insanity.
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We should have sacked Lambert weeks ago, but we didnt so we are in the position we are. I really dont like Sherwood, thinks he thinks he is far better than he has actually proved and dont think he is the best choice but when the likes of Adkins and Warburton are mentioned, we are in the deep brown stuff. I think Lerner would like Klinsman or Moyes, but that is not going to happen. I would take Hoddle every day over Sherwood. He was disliked by the players at Spurs and it was Ramsey who was taking the training apparently.
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I'd rather have stuck with Lambert than go with Sherwood.
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I'm dusting off my gilet as we speak, and am ready to blame everyone else for everything that goes wrong.
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I've never given a fuck what a Spurs fan thinks and I don't intend to start now.
Two of my best mates are spurs fans. They live in Goulders Green. Two of the nicest blokes you could meet. They hated Sherwood when they had him. Now they are worried on our behalf.
That's gracious of them. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Tim Sherwood is the answer to anything except a particularly strange question, but you are never going to get an objective opinion about any manager from his former supporters, particularly when the club involved see themselves as somewhere between Bayern Munich and Real Madrid in the natural order.
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No to Lennon thanks, don't like his attitude or his football. If I had a choice I'd be looking at De Boer.
So who is your better suggestion?
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Surely if we sacked Lambert weeks ago we'd just be getting Tim Sherwood a few weeks earlier?
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Eh? He took over a team in sixth or seventh place for just over half a season and kept it in sixth or seventh place.
I'm not looking for evidence of his ability to that. I'm talking about evidence that he can come to a club which is in 18th place and, in the space of 13 games, get them out of the relegation zone and keep them there.
Evidence he can be assistant manager at Spurs and keep them in the Europa League places for a few months isn't really going to be of much relevance to us.
But that's all the evidence there is. And it shows he did OK.
Which managers can you think of do have a bank of work that does provide the specific evidence you are after?
But, as I said, it is totally irrelevant to where we are. And even then, let's not forget, he did so alright that Spurs sacked him at the first available opportunity.
I could draw up a list of possibilities none of which are particularly appealing, but most of them would be better than sherwood. Look at oddscheckers' list of odds for the job. Half of the names listed there would be better.
And, what's more, I'm just a fan venting on a message board. Fox and Lerner have managed to get this club into an absolute disastrous mess.
They now have to do two things. Keep us in the top flight, and make an appointment which will suggest that, finally, we're being dragged into the modern world. We thought we were getting that with Lambert, but it didn't work out.
Not because the idea was bad, but because the man they chose wasn't up to it.
I just don't see the point in sacking Lambert and then appointing someone with a fraction of his experience and expecting him to do better in the space of 13 games.
What about Michael Laudrup? What about Prandelli? What about Chris Hughton (yes, him)? What about Nigel Adkins? What about Jol? What about Nigel Clough? What about Ranieri? What about Slaven Bilic? What about leaving the Marshalls in charge till the summer, then making a long term appointment?
I'm not saying that I'd want all, or any, of the above, but at least half of those are better options than Sherwood.
The one thing they got right was sacking Lambert the day after Hull. That gave us almost two weeks till our next league game. To then rush out and sign up Sherwood within a few days strikes me as insanity.
I'm talking about evidence that he can come to a club which is in 18th place and, in the space of 13 games, get them out of the relegation zone and keep them there.
Sorry, that's a bit arsey. But Prandelli or Laudrup or BIilic seems like nothing more than wishful thinking. The rest
.well, they might be alright. But then, so might Sherwood.
Again, he's a long way from my first choice. But in a field of crap, which I believe is where we're looking, he's about as decent as any of the others.
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We need a new management team, not just a new Manager.
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I've never given a fuck what a Spurs fan thinks and I don't intend to start now.
Two of my best mates are spurs fans. They live in Goulders Green. Two of the nicest blokes you could meet. They hated Sherwood when they had him. Now they are worried on our behalf.
That's gracious of them. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Tim Sherwood is the answer to anything except a particularly strange question, but you are never going to get an objective opinion about any manager from his former supporters, particularly when the club involved see themselves as somewhere between Bayern Munich and Real Madrid in the natural order.
So who is your preferred choice from who is realistically available?
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I've never given a fuck what a Spurs fan thinks and I don't intend to start now.
Two of my best mates are spurs fans. They live in Goulders Green. Two of the nicest blokes you could meet. They hated Sherwood when they had him. Now they are worried on our behalf.
That's gracious of them. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Tim Sherwood is the answer to anything except a particularly strange question, but you are never going to get an objective opinion about any manager from his former supporters, particularly when the club involved see themselves as somewhere between Bayern Munich and Real Madrid in the natural order.
So who is your preferred choice from who is realistically available?
I'd keep the M&Ms on for Sunday, then take it from there. It's been said before, but the big problem is that there are two jobs to do and a manager who would be good at one might not be any good at the other. For example, Gregory was good short-term but in hindsight should have been thanked at the end of that season, handsomely rewarded and given a glowing reference. Sir Graham was a long-termer who wouldn't have been the right man this minute. It's a difficult balancing act to which I don't have a conclusive answer.
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I stick with my view that if Sherwood was going to be hired he would be in charge by now.
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Tim Sherwood is a depressing choice as our new manager.
If he go down with him, I dont expect him to be our manager in the Championship.
We are gambling on an immediate impact as many of us feared.
This truly is rolling the dice.
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Tim is that you?
Joking aside. The employment of Sherwood is about as big a gamble of keeping Lambert imo: vastly inexperienced, suspect temperament and in all honesty a complete nobhead.
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Of course we are gambling, what choice do we have now?
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I agree it's a tough one. Who is available in February?
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All of the (realistic) options being suggested are less than ideal which, I assume, is why they were loathe to ditch Lambert until they felt they had no choice. Therefore we are starting from a poor position both in terms of available candidates and time. I think circumstances dictate that it has to be somebody who knows this league and what is required immediately, they have absolutely no prospect of a 'honeymoon period'.
Can anyone come up with a name that fits the above and that most of us would be happy with?
I'm not sure that has to be the case, although right now it would be an advantage.
The squad is plenty good enough to get out this, what it's lacking is some leadership and a viable gameplan that plays to the squad's strengths plus a large dose of self belief.
The first and last almost come together if you get someone who can show a bit "been there, done that" and can sell something along the lines of "this is what we're going to do, you're good enough to do it, and if we do it we'll be alright."
Right now the second bit doesn't need to be anything much more than a bit "meat & 2 veg" to borrow a phrase from Monty.
Play to our strengths, where have we got the most ability, where can we the biggest improvements with the fewest tweaks.
Personally I'd say letting the players be free to try and move into space and expect the pass to be there, rather than worrying more about not being out of position if doesn't.
I'm sure that's why our new "possession based style" has been so sterile and stilted. No one dares make an advanced run into space because they're trying to cover for when the move breaks down (fat lot if good it did us at Arsenal).
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I hate myself for it, but I was thinking similar re Pulis.
Sherwood could go one of two ways. His cheeky chappy persona could lift a playing staff low on confidence as per Gregory.
Or he might hurt the feelings of our delicate wallflowers and have a mutiny on his hands. He doesn't have a transfer window to weed them out either, it's this lot until May.
Pulis as shown with two limited teams he can get a reaction. It's only when he has money to spend that things go wrong. And hopefully, he wouldn't be at the club long enough to illustrate that.
His playing style is vomit, but his sides do possess organisation and work ethic. I don't ever want the throw-in to be an 'event,' but I'd settle for us looking vaguely competent at them -and set-plays in general. In the short-term.
There are far worse scenarios than a run-containing Stoke, Olbiyun, Swansea, QPR and Burnley at home.
I'd prefer a Prandelli, Tuchel, Karanka or even Clement if we're looking medium to long-term. But in these particular set of circumstances, someone like Pulis might be more suited to grind (and it would be a grind) out those precious points from the above fixtures, with perhaps a surprise result here and there.
As others have mentioned, there will be no honeymoon period with this job. Lose the next 2/3 home games and we're gone.
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Obviously if he takes charge everyone will give him a chance, but it'd be nice to have a better option.
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Am I missing something or is Sherwood not just some bloke who did alright with a massively expensive Spurs side for half a season. The fact he is such (horrifyingly) short odds to be our next manager is making me question my sanity.
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Strange - we reckon every other club has a new manager bounce but with us there's no honeymoon period.
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It does slightly annoy me to hear that the Villa job 'wouldn't faze him'. If he gets the Villa job he should realise how unbelievably lucky he is.
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Strange - we reckon every other club has a new manager bounce but with us there's no honeymoon period.
Whisper it quietly but even someone as awful as McLeish had a honeymoon period, he took 8 points in his first 6 games as dull as it was.
That's what we need really, to be on 30 points with 9 or 10 games left to play as then we'd need roughly a point a game to stay up which should be very achievable if the players pull their fingers out.
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Strange - we reckon every other club has a new manager bounce but with us there's no honeymoon period.
More the sense that we won't have five to six games to say, 'yep, can see what he's trying to do' and the manager getting breathing space even if results go against him initially. We don't have that luxury. Would have thought that's fairly obvious.
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Put me down for a No vote.
on the matter
That was a reponse to the OP Thread , not anyone opinions on the matter.
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Totally agree .As I said he is not my choice,it Sould have been Pulis ,Lerner has totally fucked us over.If it is Sherwood and looking ever like it.For the sake of our club staying up we need to get behind him cause it's the last throw of the dice
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Chill guys .It will be a piece of piss once the ego has landed.
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Strange - we reckon every other club has a new manager bounce but with us there's no honeymoon period.
More the sense that we won't have five to six games to say, 'yep, can see what he's trying to do' and the manager getting breathing space even if results go against him initially. We don't have that luxury. Would have thought that's fairly obvious.
What about the new manager bounce?
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I've never given a fuck what a Spurs fan thinks and I don't intend to start now.
Two of my best mates are spurs fans. They live in Goulders Green. Two of the nicest blokes you could meet. They hated Sherwood when they had him. Now they are worried on our behalf.
That's gracious of them. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Tim Sherwood is the answer to anything except a particularly strange question, but you are never going to get an objective opinion about any manager from his former supporters, particularly when the club involved see themselves as somewhere between Bayern Munich and Real Madrid in the natural order.
O'Neill/Villa?
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Strange - we reckon every other club has a new manager bounce but with us there's no honeymoon period.
For every new manager bounce there is another new manager splat and being in the relegation zone with two thirds of the season gone and with all sorts of lowest scoring stats means that he hasn't got much time to sort things out.
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I've never given a fuck what a Spurs fan thinks and I don't intend to start now.
Two of my best mates are spurs fans. They live in Goulders Green. Two of the nicest blokes you could meet. They hated Sherwood when they had him. Now they are worried on our behalf.
That's gracious of them. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Tim Sherwood is the answer to anything except a particularly strange question, but you are never going to get an objective opinion about any manager from his former supporters, particularly when the club involved see themselves as somewhere between Bayern Munich and Real Madrid in the natural order.
O'Neill/Villa?
I'm certainly not objective about the bastard, and there are still many Villa supporters who think he's Mr Wonderful.
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Capello
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Strange - we reckon every other club has a new manager bounce but with us there's no honeymoon period.
For every new manager bounce there is another new manager splat and being in the relegation zone with two thirds of the season gone and with all sorts of lowest scoring stats means that he hasn't got much time to sort things out.
That's what I reckon; just pointing out the irony.
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Strange - we reckon every other club has a new manager bounce but with us there's no honeymoon period.
More the sense that we won't have five to six games to say, 'yep, can see what he's trying to do' and the manager getting breathing space even if results go against him initially. We don't have that luxury. Would have thought that's fairly obvious.
What about the new manager bounce?
None of us can say with absolute certainty that won't occur.
The sheer relief of not playing under Lambert might result in champagne football.
As we witnessed with Houllier though, a manager with a more progressive style of play might find resistance from the playing staff. It's also harder to create than destroy, so I struggle to see us going from a shot-shy outfit to a fluid attacking unit overnight. There would need to be a period of transition for that.
All that takes time, and we don't have a whole pile of that to play with.
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I've never given a fuck what a Spurs fan thinks and I don't intend to start now.
Two of my best mates are spurs fans. They live in Goulders Green. Two of the nicest blokes you could meet. They hated Sherwood when they had him. Now they are worried on our behalf.
That's gracious of them. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Tim Sherwood is the answer to anything except a particularly strange question, but you are never going to get an objective opinion about any manager from his former supporters, particularly when the club involved see themselves as somewhere between Bayern Munich and Real Madrid in the natural order.
O'Neill/Villa?
I'm certainly not objective about the bastard, and there are still many Villa supporters who think he's Mr Wonderful.
I don't think he's wonderful. And I don't think Lambert is/was, but what's the point in shedding these dicks unless it actually benefits us? I know MON left, so that's different, but why sack Lambert if we don't actually have a plan to replace him?
I know that you didn't actually sack him, DW, but the whole fucking thing seems to be a shambles. Again.
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Strange - we reckon every other club has a new manager bounce but with us there's no honeymoon period.
More the sense that we won't have five to six games to say, 'yep, can see what he's trying to do' and the manager getting breathing space even if results go against him initially. We don't have that luxury. Would have thought that's fairly obvious.
What about the new manager bounce?
None of us can say with absolute certainty that won't occur.
The sheer relief of not playing under Lambert might result in champagne football.
As we witnessed with Houllier though, a manager with a more progressive style of play might find resistance from the playing staff. It's also harder to create than destroy, so I struggle to see us going from a shot-shy outfit to a fluid attacking unit overnight. There would need to be a period of transition for that.
All that takes time, and we don't have a whole pile of that to play with.
we don't need to go from shot shy to fluid. We just need to go from shot shy to shot.
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I'd rather have stuck with Lambert than go with Sherwood.
Yeah, I mean I miss his 10 game winless runs and 12 goals already.....
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I go out for a curry come back and read we're trying to steal Pulis from the Baggies and willing to pay them £2.5m in compensation. Tim Sherwood? Tony Pulis? Has the world gone fucking mad?
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I go out for a curry come back and read we're trying to steal Pulis from the Baggies and willing to pay them £2.5m in compensation. Tim Sherwood? Tony Pulis? Has the world gone fucking mad?
I feel your pain.
And share it.
********** ( non verbal reaction)
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I dont want MON back, he was instrumental with his hissy fits in putting our beloved club where we are now. Whatever we think of Randy, he gave him massive backing and then when he questioned some of the signings MON didnt like it.
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Not my first choice, but whoever gets the post will get my support until.............
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Interesting location for this thread.
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Absolutely.
Now is the time for somebody globally and unbelievably rich to come in and save Fabio Capello by sending him to Villa.
And for Villa to resist the new employee induction programme and not send him to peel spuds for the Retaurant.
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If the total sum of ambition for Aston Villa is Tim Sherwood then I will honestly give up. I haven't suffered all these years to be further insulted.
I expected far better from Fox. Maybe I seriously overestimated his talent. Time will tell.
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Capello could probably afford to buy us and put himself in charge. If the Russians finally got round to paying him.
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I think Sherwood would be the worst possible appointment, an absolute calamity and not what we need when trying to address our tailspin. He is an idiot. Unfortunately our owners are idiots too so it's exactly the sort of crazy shit they might come up with.
Hopefully it's just newspaper bullshit, if not I despair.
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1-16 with sone bookies. Thats a done deal.
As fir falling low. We hired McLeish. And paid compensation to That Lot. We became Small Time then.
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1-16 with sone bookies. Thats a done deal.
As fir falling low. We hired McLeish. And paid compensation to That Lot. We became Small Time then.
Nar we became small time when Lerner took over, McLeish just proved that to the world.
Sherwood is a tool and an inexperienced one at that...........perfect tosser for Lerner to put in charge.
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I've never given a fuck what a Spurs fan thinks and I don't intend to start now.
Two of my best mates are spurs fans. They live in Goulders Green. Two of the nicest blokes you could meet. They hated Sherwood when they had him. Now they are worried on our behalf.
That's gracious of them. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Tim Sherwood is the answer to anything except a particularly strange question, but you are never going to get an objective opinion about any manager from his former supporters, particularly when the club involved see themselves as somewhere between Bayern Munich and Real Madrid in the natural order.
So who is your preferred choice from who is realistically available?
Dave, my two supporting mates really aren't of that nature. They see Villa and Spurs at equal standing.
When we went to WHL in May they didn't rate Sherwood then and they feel the same now. Their dislike is down to his inability to employ tactics properly. He was also known within the club as Levy's snitch with regards to AVB.
Sherwood is always someone I hated as a player and his character reference from my mates does him no favour.
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Sherwood is an idiot, and worryingly proud of it. The idea that he might even be viable as a candidate for our club is barely beyond risible. Why, despite the club that we are, must we always have to appoint the morons? We can't we get any of the Pocchetinos, the Karankas, the Rodgerses? To quote Tennyson, 'why do must we only toil, we who are the roof and crown of things?'
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Oddschecker show market history and it is fascinating in the case of Sherwood and Villa. He has become heavily odds on in the last few hours since betting shops closed. Firstly this says that he has been relatively heavily backed. I say relatively because next manager markets do not tend to attract big money. It is a small, limited market so whereas one person putting a grand on a horse isn't going to effect the market in general a similar next manager bet would. Secondly the timing of the betting suggests the people putting money on have internet accounts so are more serious gamblers. I also wonder if the strange timing of the bets has anything to do with possible information or rumours from a different time zone like the states? There is no particular rule of thumb for this though. I have seen managers backed in to heavily odds on a number of times and sometimes they end up being the man to get the job and sometimes they don't. It is the difference between people knowing something and people thinking they know something and going off half cocked. The first sign you can really take seriously is when a number of firms stop accepting bets on a certain person, although even this is usually potential damage limitation and fear someone has insider knowledge as opposed to their own knowledge of an outcome.
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I guess the ideal candidate is someone progressive who is pragmatic enough not to try to implement too many new ideas in the latter 1/3 of a season.
If I remember correctly, Houllier wanted to make several changes in our tactics/approach in his stint, but thought it was sensible to wait to the summer when he had more time (and different players).
I don't know enough about those supposedly available to know who might be such an ideal candidate. But if the club is thinking long-term I can't help but think that someone like Pulis or Sherwood would be a mistake. If we insist on hiring a Spurs reject, we might as well give Harry Redknapp a four-month contract and taxi him from London every day as we did with Robert Pires.
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Sherwood, to his credit seemed to go for it in his time at Spurs rather than do the play it safe, keep things ticking over style. I think he might well shake us up and keep us up but long term he would obviously be a gamble due to his lack of managerial experience and having no track record over a reasonable period of time. I suspect the style that worked for him in the short term at Spurs might work for us in the short term too but I can see friction and fall outs and it all going wrong in the medium to long term.
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I guess the ideal candidate is someone progressive who is pragmatic enough not to try to implement too many new ideas in the latter 1/3 of a season.
If I remember correctly, Houllier wanted to make several changes in our tactics/approach in his stint, but thought it was sensible to wait to the summer when he had more time (and different players).
I don't know enough about those supposedly available to know who might be such an ideal candidate. But if the club is thinking long-term I can't help but think that someone like Pulis or Sherwood would be a mistake. If we insist on hiring a Spurs reject, we might as well give Harry Redknapp a four-month contract and taxi him from London every day as we did with Robert Pires.
How can the club be thinking long-term when it is currently for sale? There seem to be mixed messages coming across here.
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1-16 with sone bookies. Thats a done deal.
As fir falling low. We hired McLeish. And paid compensation to That Lot. We became Small Time then.
He was pretty short at QPR too, but never got that job. Bookies dont know too much when it comes to new managers, especially at a club as secretive as the Villa.
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I just don't get any of this. The timing of Paul Lambert's sacking makes no sense if all we're going to do is bring in this unlikeable sap. I'm now convinced that we're on our way down and what's most worrying is that the people who matter at the club evidently feel the same. This stinks.
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Assuming it is Sherwood be very interested to see what the coaching team looks like.
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Martin Jol on a 4 month deal heavily weighted to keeping us up. He is a good coach and the players look like they need that. He blew it at Fulham but they made us look competent at that particular timem
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Sherwood, to his credit seemed to go for it in his time at Spurs rather than do the play it safe, keep things ticking over style. I think he might well shake us up and keep us up but long term he would obviously be a gamble due to his lack of managerial experience and having no track record over a reasonable period of time. I suspect the style that worked for him in the short term at Spurs might work for us in the short term too but I can see friction and fall outs and it all going wrong in the medium to long term.
i think sherwood is probably the best short term 'keep us up' type manger we could get right now and I'd have him til the end of the season on that basis. Long term, maybe, but probably we could do a lot better in the summer and we should be honestly looking for better long term.
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Martin Jol on a 4 month deal heavily weighted to keeping us up. He is a good coach and the players look like they need that. He blew it at Fulham but they made us look competent at that particular timem
My choice too. I think he ticks the most boxes for what's available.
Also he's admitted he has a massive soft spot for us, I'm pretty sure he went to Rotterdam to the EC Final in 82. May have been at the Albion then.
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One thing is for certain, whoever we appoint there will be people who will stress, moan etc People get so wound up but there's nothing we can do about it, Lerner proved this when he appointed AM. If we go down this season it won't be Sherwoods fault.
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Sherwood, to his credit seemed to go for it in his time at Spurs rather than do the play it safe, keep things ticking over style. I think he might well shake us up and keep us up but long term he would obviously be a gamble due to his lack of managerial experience and having no track record over a reasonable period of time. I suspect the style that worked for him in the short term at Spurs might work for us in the short term too but I can see friction and fall outs and it all going wrong in the medium to long term.
i think sherwood is probably the best short term 'keep us up' type manger we could get right now and I'd have him til the end of the season on that basis. Long term, maybe, but probably we could do a lot better in the summer and we should be honestly looking for better long term.
My thoughts too,though if he keeps us up he would naturally get the job on a long term deal. He wouldn't be my man to rebuild us,but we aren't exactly in a strong position right now to entice someone who is on top of their game.
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Assuming it is Sherwood be very interested to see what the coaching team looks like.
yes that will be interesting as Chris Ramsey and most of the other coaching staff he had at Spuds are at QPR until at least the end of the season.
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1-16 with sone bookies. Thats a done deal.
As fir falling low. We hired McLeish. And paid compensation to That Lot. We became Small Time then.
He was pretty short at QPR too, but never got that job. Bookies dont know too much when it comes to new managers, especially at a club as secretive as the Villa.
1/16 is short but as Damo 70 said it reflects the fact that it is a small market. And didnt the bookies actually close the book on Moyes for Villa at one stage. Mind you i have a feeling it will be sherwood at this stGe
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Watch "Tim Sherwood lifts the lid on Spurs reign - Goals on Sunday" on YouTube - Tim Sherwood lifts the lid on Spurs reign - Goals on Sunday: http://youtu.be/foYXM3_yaR4
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John Gregory has the highest win rate as villa manager according to sky, Sherwood seems a similar type of personality so who knows, I know one thing we won't have a choice and if it is Tim then I'll have to back him as we all need to pull together
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Amazes me that Sherwood gets put forward for the job, but so far no mention of Neil Lennon who would be more of a contender in my view
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Amazes me that Sherwood gets put forward for the job, but so far no mention of Neil Lennon who would be more of a contender in my view
He ruled himself out yesterday
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Amazes me that Sherwood gets put forward for the job, but so far no mention of Neil Lennon who would be more of a contender in my view
Of the two I would prefer Lennon but he has a job already, Sherwood doesn't. That makes him easier to recruit. All it would take is for his current chairman to play silly buggers over releasing him and it could drag on for weeks; time we can ill afford.
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Everyone is ruling themselves out
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Well Lennon really has steadied the ship at Bolton but I'm sure he feels a debt of gratitude to them for giving him an opportunity. He said he was flattered by the interest of Villa but had a job already.
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How about we go for neither and just make a sensible appointment based on the immediate challenge and what this team needs?
Just wondering whether the Villa hierarchy actually have a plan based on our requirement other than see who The Sun say will get the job.
Can anyone actually provide a case for Tim Sherwood?
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I'd hate for us to try to do anything that might be difficult or required a bit of effort.
Tim Mehwood is a sign that we've given up. It's lazy, unimaginative and will do nothing to win back the supporters driven away by years of underachievement and dull football.
The only vague logic behind it is that we are just after a quick fix so as not to lumber a potential new owner with a manager on a long-term deal but if that's the logic why did we give Lambert a four year deal?
I'm so bored of Aston Villa.
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Who's to say we're only giving him a short term contract?
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Amazes me that Sherwood gets put forward for the job, but so far no mention of Neil Lennon who would be more of a contender in my view
He ruled himself out yesterday
Didnt realise that
Sherwood just strikes me as someone we have all met during our working lives, they shout a lot, big themselves up to be better than they actually are when they have no track record to justify it. Bit of a bully usually as well. Ultimately, their own hang ups make them act like they do. Macho when they don't need to be.
I can imagine Tim thinking his a bit of a ladies man as well.
The media seem to love him as well just like with Harry and MON which is a bit of a worry as well
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The thing for me is getting them organised and instilling some self belief. Look at what Pardew (another arrogant so and so) has done for Palace. He was also hated by the Newcastle fans.
The players we have are better than our league position suggests but have been woeful for ages.
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Who's to say we're only giving him a short term contract?
I said that would be the only vaguely logical reason for the appointment. I didn't suggest we were doing it. I don't, honestly, think there is any logic behind it.
Our Board have shown, time and again, their complete and utter ineptitude when it comes to dealing with the most important position at a football club.
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The thing for me is getting them organised and instilling some self belief. Look at what Pardew (another arrogant so and so) has done for Palace. He was also hated by the Newcastle fans.
The players we have are better than our league position suggests but have been woeful for ages.
I think the Palace's form over the last 18 months says as much about the poor managerial skills of the motor mouths Holloway and Warnock as it does about Pulis and Pardew
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Well it seems most of you don't want Sherwood. If we are going to go down that road I would give it to Roy Keane until the end of the season
or perhaps Gordon Strachan. That would upset those who want to have fun and games during training (remember Keane knows who they are)
and we might get a reaction....or Sir Alex.
I think Sir Alex and Strachan would fit the bill to the end of the season,and then we have a bit of time to play with' asumming whoever it is keeps us up.
Do I want Sherwood? Prefably not, but if he puts him in I would suggest Mr Fox will have a very rough ride at the AVST meeting in a couple of weeks time.
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Who's to say we're only giving him a short term contract?
I said that would be the only vaguely logical reason for the appointment. I didn't suggest we were doing it. I don't, honestly, think there is any logic behind it.
Our Board have shown, time and again, their complete and utter ineptitude when it comes to dealing with the most important position at a football club.
Many were up in arms about Mclaren and he's gone on to prove he can still cut it Most wanted Lambert and look how that turned out. I'm keeping an open mind. Staying up is the priority and I think Sherwood might just shake things up enough to do that.
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Looking like Hobson's choice .
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My favourite villa player ever, and the last one to have actually won us proper silverware, he was at the last villa home game, i saw him. just maybe till the end of the season.
BRIAN LITTLE
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Who's to say we're only giving him a short term contract?
I said that would be the only vaguely logical reason for the appointment. I didn't suggest we were doing it. I don't, honestly, think there is any logic behind it.
Our Board have shown, time and again, their complete and utter ineptitude when it comes to dealing with the most important position at a football club.
Many were up in arms about Mclaren and he's gone on to prove he can still cut it Most wanted Lambert and look how that turned out. I'm keeping an open mind. Staying up is the priority and I think Sherwood might just shake things up enough to do that.
That's how I see it. Remember the clamour for OGS. Would have loved Pulis 2 months back then change it if ever new owners come in but too late for that and fans seemed very divided about him too.
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Amazes me that Sherwood gets put forward for the job, but so far no mention of Neil Lennon who would be more of a contender in my view
He ruled himself out yesterday
Didnt realise that
Sherwood just strikes me as someone we have all met during our working lives, they shout a lot, big themselves up to be better than they actually are when they have no track record to justify it. Bit of a bully usually as well. Ultimately, their own hang ups make them act like they do. Macho when they don't need to be.
I can imagine Tim thinking his a bit of a ladies man as well.
The media seem to love him as well just like with Harry and MON which is a bit of a worry as well
You assume a lot without really knowing anything about him. He might be a prat but I would not rely on people from his previous club to give a balanced viewpoint and the person who matters in all of this, Fox, appears to have been sufficiently impressed to be givong if serious consideration.
I have been saying all along that sacking a manager is the easy part and that finding a better replacement is where it becomes difficult but that was always waived away with the argument that anyone would be better than Lambert. Now that we are in that position for real suddenly the potential candidates do not seem so attractive.
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How do we know its Sherwood? If this is true then the board really are pathetic.
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It could be Tony Pulis ;)
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Who's to say we're only giving him a short term contract?
I said that would be the only vaguely logical reason for the appointment. I didn't suggest we were doing it. I don't, honestly, think there is any logic behind it.
Our Board have shown, time and again, their complete and utter ineptitude when it comes to dealing with the most important position at a football club.
Length of contract is a bit of a non issue, we have just got rid of a bloke 6 months into a 4 year deal.
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Who's to say we're only giving him a short term contract?
I said that would be the only vaguely logical reason for the appointment. I didn't suggest we were doing it. I don't, honestly, think there is any logic behind it.
Our Board have shown, time and again, their complete and utter ineptitude when it comes to dealing with the most important position at a football club.
Many were up in arms about Mclaren and he's gone on to prove he can still cut it Most wanted Lambert and look how that turned out. I'm keeping an open mind. Staying up is the priority and I think Sherwood might just shake things up enough to do that.
Yep, open mind. Whoever comes in is a gamble, there are no guarantees. Yes Pulis has never been relegated but there is a first time for everything.
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I think I would give up and die if it was Pulis
Take paulies and monty's feeling for Sherwood put them together and times by 10 and that's where I am with Pulis
He wouldn't come on a short term contract we would have to put up with him for a minimum of 3 years,
His football is dreadfull and that's his style, even the Stoke fans couldn't bear it anymore and got shot of him, not because he wasn't successful but because it hurt there eyes
Why would we want him at VP
i don't want Sherwood, but if we have missed the bullet that is Pulis then that's good, the words Villa and Pulis should never go together
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Everyone is ruling themselves out
Well it's not if they are after the Club approached them. The ruling out comes about from yesterday's normal press conference answers where lazy journalists ask every other manager "Are you interested in the Villa job"? The only answer they can give is no and it's turned around into a "Billy Bates turns down Villa job".
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It could be Tony Pulis ;)
Pulis is probably cursing his luck. If we had sacked Lambert 6 weeks ago Pulis would be our new manager
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I'm keeping an open mind. That's why I don't think we should be limiting our ambitions to unemployed blokes living inside the M25.
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Sherwood, to his credit seemed to go for it in his time at Spurs rather than do the play it safe, keep things ticking over style. I think he might well shake us up and keep us up but long term he would obviously be a gamble due to his lack of managerial experience and having no track record over a reasonable period of time. I suspect the style that worked for him in the short term at Spurs might work for us in the short term too but I can see friction and fall outs and it all going wrong in the medium to long term.
i think sherwood is probably the best short term 'keep us up' type manger we could get right now and I'd have him til the end of the season on that basis. Long term, maybe, but probably we could do a lot better in the summer and we should be honestly looking for better long term.
This
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Can we have a Sherwood poll? Yay or nay, see where we are?
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Amazes me that Sherwood gets put forward for the job, but so far no mention of Neil Lennon who would be more of a contender in my view
He ruled himself out yesterday
Didnt realise that
Sherwood just strikes me as someone we have all met during our working lives, they shout a lot, big themselves up to be better than they actually are when they have no track record to justify it. Bit of a bully usually as well. Ultimately, their own hang ups make them act like they do. Macho when they don't need to be.
I can imagine Tim thinking his a bit of a ladies man as well.
The media seem to love him as well just like with Harry and MON which is a bit of a worry as well
You assume a lot without really knowing anything about him. He might be a prat but I would not rely on people from his previous club to give a balanced viewpoint and the person who matters in all of this, Fox, appears to have been sufficiently impressed to be givong if serious consideration.
I have been saying all along that sacking a manager is the easy part and that finding a better replacement is where it becomes difficult but that was always waived away with the argument that anyone would be better than Lambert. Now that we are in that position for real suddenly the potential candidates do not seem so attractive.
Some of his TV interviews go some way to proving my point
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Everyone is ruling themselves out
Well it's not if they are after the Club approached them. The ruling out comes about from yesterday's normal press conference answers where lazy journalists ask every other manager "Are you interested in the Villa job"? The only answer they can give is no and it's turned around into a "Billy Bates turns down Villa job".
Possibly but why would say McLaren leave derby when they are on the verge of promotion, this is the wrong time to be getting managers which is why it should have been done last year
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Watch the YouTube clip I posted earlier
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Can we have a Sherwood poll? Yay or nay, see where we are?
No from me
I cant think of one good reason why he should be appointed
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Can the poll have a 'I don't have a strong feeling either way' option? I haven't a clue whether he'd be good or not.
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I've said before, probably elsewhere, I think Sherwood is a prick, but I also feel he has something about him. Something different to Lambert - and different is what we need. He's not the best candidate. But, I can't see many others stepping forward. Tim has a bit of the John Gregory attitude about him.
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Oddschecker show market history and it is fascinating in the case of Sherwood and Villa. He has become heavily odds on in the last few hours since betting shops closed. Firstly this says that he has been relatively heavily backed. I say relatively because next manager markets do not tend to attract big money. It is a small, limited market so whereas one person putting a grand on a horse isn't going to effect the market in general a similar next manager bet would. Secondly the timing of the betting suggests the people putting money on have internet accounts so are more serious gamblers. I also wonder if the strange timing of the bets has anything to do with possible information or rumours from a different time zone like the states? There is no particular rule of thumb for this though. I have seen managers backed in to heavily odds on a number of times and sometimes they end up being the man to get the job and sometimes they don't. It is the difference between people knowing something and people thinking they know something and going off half cocked. The first sign you can really take seriously is when a number of firms stop accepting bets on a certain person, although even this is usually potential damage limitation and fear someone has insider knowledge as opposed to their own knowledge of an outcome.
Spot on - Sherwood was traded on Betfair as low as 1.05 yesterday and has now gone out to 1.3 ish. Most of the money on the market is probably traders looking to exploit odds movement. I layed (i.e. bet against) Sherwood yesterday when the odds started drifting out despite the "tweet" and greened out for a few quid this morning.
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Let's go get Pulis :) stuff the baggies. Let's mean business.
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How do we know its Sherwood? If this is true then the board really are pathetic.
Why are they pathetic and tell me when previously the press has been ahead of our Board in the guessing game?
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I've said before, probably elsewhere, I think Sherwood is a prick, but I also feel he has something about him. Something different to Lambert - and different is what we need. He's not the best candidate. But, I can't see many others stepping forward. Tim has a bit of the John Gregory attitude about him.
I agree. I don't know why but I just think he will be a good fit. He has a real confidence about himself and watching that youtube clip he always spoke about the clubs best interests .
I think he will be in by the end of day and in the stands( again ) tomorrow.
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How do we know its Sherwood? If this is true then the board really are pathetic.
Why are they pathetic and tell me when previously the press has been ahead of our Board in the guessing game?
He did say 'if'.
But it's a good point - nobody seemed to have a clue that he was being sacked, and it wouldn't be a surprise if nobody had a first clue who they have in mind.
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People were in denial about McLeish too. Like it or not I think it's probably happening
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If there's one thing Randy does well its keeping people guessing and springing a surprise.
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Randy has become a master of bad appointments .
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Randy has become a master of bad appointments .
Lambert wasn't a bad appointment at the time.
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Randy has become a master of bad appointments .
Lambert wasn't a bad appointment at the time.
Personally I thought it was . It was always a job too big for lambert and his team.
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Let's go get Pulis :) stuff the baggies. Let's mean business.
It would be all fun and games until we realise we're stuck with Pulis.
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I can think of other's who I'd prefer but at the end of the day, we're making a change which everyone wanted. You can't email the likes of Tom Fox demanding Lambert be sacked then moan about who they bring in (unless it's someone really desperate) and I wouldn't class Sherwood as a desperate appointment anyway. It's a gamble more than anything bearing in mind our position, but I'm happier than I was Tuesday.
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I think I would give up and die if it was Pulis
Take paulies and monty's feeling for Sherwood put them together and times by 10 and that's where I am with Pulis
He wouldn't come on a short term contract we would have to put up with him for a minimum of 3 years,
His football is dreadfull and that's his style, even the Stoke fans couldn't bear it anymore and got shot of him, not because he wasn't successful but because it hurt there eyes
Why would we want him at VP
i don't want Sherwood, but if we have missed the bullet that is Pulis then that's good, the words Villa and Pulis should never go together
I don't know if you're old enough to remember, but many would have said something similar about Ron Saunders when we appointed him, for similar reasons. Pulis wouldn't turn us into league champs these days obvs but he wouldn't necessarily be as dreadful as you seem to think, or as unpopular right now either for most fans. But then, we ain't gonna find out.
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Randy has become a master of bad appointments .
Lambert wasn't a bad appointment at the time.
Personally I thought it was . It was always a job too big for lambert and his team.
Who would you want out of interest?
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Its a tough call with Sherwood, on paper he doesn't seem to fit with what we said we were looking for. In that he doesn't seem capable of uniting a team. Hasn't got a great deal of experience either. But he may shake things up enough. And he did gibe some youth a chance at Spurs.
So if we are happy to go for someone with limited experience, which i except is a huge gamble. Id like to see Paul Clement, Karanka or Eddie Howe in the mix of names we go for.
Hoddle, Warnock et al are yesterdays men and these types id only want to see till end of season.
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. Tim has a bit of the John Gregory attitude about him.
And that is a good thing?
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Unbelievable they didn't get rid of Lambert when moyes was available, and we would have time on our side.
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If there's one thing Randy does well its keeping people guessing and springing a surprise.
I don't think Randy is the decision maker anymore. This is very much a club run my Fox now. Hopefully Randy will keep throwing cash at it when needed too.
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Unbelievable they didn't get rid of Lambert when moyes was available, and we would have time on our side.
This with big fucking claret and blue bells on.
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I can think of other's who I'd prefer but at the end of the day, we're making a change which everyone wanted. You can't email the likes of Tom Fox demanding Lambert be sacked then moan about who they bring in (unless it's someone really desperate) and I wouldn't class Sherwood as a desperate appointment anyway. It's a gamble more than anything bearing in mind our position, but I'm happier than I was Tuesday.
I would say he would be the epitome of a desperate appointment to be honest.
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If we're seriously thinking of giving someone with no real experience apart from developing some youth players, i.e. Sherwood, give it to Sid till the end of the season, he's got claret and blue blood and has been more successful than Sherwood at youth level, significantly so. It's not ideal I know, but forgetting I'm a fan for a moment, which top class manager in their right mind wants to come and potentially easily ruin their reputation here? I can't think of a single manager who's gone to better things since Sir Graham, and even that didn't end well.
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Wilkins no.2 I reckon
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Randy has become a master of bad appointments .
Lambert wasn't a bad appointment at the time.
Personally I thought it was . It was always a job too big for lambert and his team.
Who would you want out of interest?
Klinsman, Rijkaard , de boer , Capello, Benitez , Ranieri . All non starters .
Out of those who are realistic I've no idea who would come , so far I've seen the likes of Lennon , southgate and Grant rule themselves out. If it's Sherwood so be it, let's get it done sooner rather than later and get to work .
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Delph's Mum is in the running.
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Randy has become a master of bad appointments .
Lambert wasn't a bad appointment at the time.
One season managing in the Premiership hardly constitutes a track record. Mind you we are now talking to a guy with a 28 game track record. Hey ho.
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I can think of other's who I'd prefer but at the end of the day, we're making a change which everyone wanted. You can't email the likes of Tom Fox demanding Lambert be sacked then moan about who they bring in (unless it's someone really desperate) and I wouldn't class Sherwood as a desperate appointment anyway. It's a gamble more than anything bearing in mind our position, but I'm happier than I was Tuesday.
I would say he would be the epitome of a desperate appointment to be honest.
If that's the case Why were other premier league considering him? He only didn't go to QPR because of personal terms.
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QPR are in effect a championship club though.
We are aston villa , one of the top 25 clubs in the world.
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I wonder if they've considered an approach for Allardyce? To me, he's the kind of experience we need.
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QPR are in effect a championship club though.
We are aston villa , one of the top 25 clubs in the world.
Is that a Delloite list ranking?
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QPR are in effect a championship club though.
We are aston villa , one of the top 25 clubs in the world.
Top 25? Top 1 - as B Clough may have said. And as, I hope, Sir Brian may say too.
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Off thread but I saw a thing if Bournemouth come up they will be in the top 20 clubs in the financial league in Europe.
Wtf
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QPR are in effect a championship club though.
We are aston villa , one of the top 25 clubs in the world.
Is that a Delloite list ranking?
Yes . Think we were 22nd
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I wonder if they've considered an approach for Allardyce? To me, he's the kind of experience we need.
He's also one of the top paid in the world
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@patmurphybbc: No sign of Tim Sherwood's Sat column in @Independent today.Keeping his head down? His collaborator @SamWallaceIndy says he's keen on #avfc
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Randy has become a master of bad appointments .
Lambert wasn't a bad appointment at the time.
Personally I thought it was . It was always a job too big for lambert and his team.
Who would you want out of interest?
Klinsman, Rijkaard , de boer , Capello, Benitez , Ranieri . All non starters .
Out of those who are realistic I've no idea who would come , so far I've seen the likes of Lennon , southgate and Grant rule themselves out. If it's Sherwood so be it, let's get it done sooner rather than later and get to work .
So you can't think of anyone then? You've gone from Sherwood being a 'bad appointment' to saying 'let's get it done' in the space of half hour.
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Off thread but I saw a thing if Bournemouth come up they will be in the top 20 clubs in the financial league in Europe.
Wtf
If they haven't had a massive outlay on players and Premier League TV money making crowd money nearly irrelevant, then it kinda makes sense.
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Randy has become a master of bad appointments .
Lambert wasn't a bad appointment at the time.
Personally I thought it was . It was always a job too big for lambert and his team.
Who would you want out of interest?
Klinsman, Rijkaard , de boer , Capello, Benitez , Ranieri . All non starters .
Out of those who are realistic I've no idea who would come , so far I've seen the likes of Lennon , southgate and Grant rule themselves out. If it's Sherwood so be it, let's get it done sooner rather than later and get to work .
So you can't think of anyone then? You've gone from Sherwood being a 'bad appointment' to saying 'let's get it done' in the space of half hour.
No I didn't . I said "if" that's who they are solely focused on, expedite it ASAP.
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And btw I named 6 targets .
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How about we go for neither and just make a sensible appointment based on the immediate challenge and what this team needs?
Just wondering whether the Villa hierarchy actually have a plan based on our requirement other than see who The Sun say will get the job.
Can anyone actually provide a case for Tim Sherwood?
Even if we ignore the good results he had in charge at Tottingham (which is odd, but that's what a few are advocating) he was a coach at the club for five years prior to that.
We know only too well how dismal a side can look when it isn't coached properly. If six months in the top job isn't long enough to measure his aptitude, he must deserve at least some credit for their progress between 2008-2013.
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And btw I named 6 targets .
But you said they were all non-starters, so what was the point?
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And btw I named 6 targets .
But you said they were all non-starters, so what was the point?
Well I don't know that for sure.
Hopefully the club will approach them so we can find out.
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Wilkins no.2 I reckon
Wilkins manages Jordan. (the team, not the wench)
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I know which I'd rather manage. But why all the bed wetting about someone who hasn't been appointed yet - particularly when, this time last week, apart from the five who wanted him to stay, everybody else on this board were saying anyone would be better than Lambert. if it's Tim let's give the bloke a chance.
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I can think of other's who I'd prefer but at the end of the day, we're making a change which everyone wanted. You can't email the likes of Tom Fox demanding Lambert be sacked then moan about who they bring in (unless it's someone really desperate) and I wouldn't class Sherwood as a desperate appointment anyway. It's a gamble more than anything bearing in mind our position, but I'm happier than I was Tuesday.
I would say he would be the epitome of a desperate appointment to be honest.
Pretty much what I think too tom.
Due to his recent links with other PL jobs, he was always the most obvious, easy target.
Miss out on QPR job one week, rock up at VP the next.
Would like to think Fox is working his nuts off considering alternatives.
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Wilkins no.2 I reckon
bit harsh!
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He could work with Cleverley and Westwood at perfecting the sideways pass!
Second thoughts, would he need to?
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Looking like Hobson's choice .
Derek? I didn't know he was in the running. Actually, I didn't know if he was still alive.
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Some papers are saying Glen Hoddle might be Tim Sherwood's assistant. That does sound interesting to me as Sherwood would benefit from Hoddle's experience.
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If it is Sherwood , do you think Lerner/Fox will give him a 4 year contract ?
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tim-sherwood-on-brink-of-taking-aston-villa-job-10045902.html
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Some papers are saying Glen Hoddle might be Tim Sherwood's assistant. That does sound interesting to me as Sherwood would benefit from Hoddle's experience.
Glenn Hoddle is worse than Sherwood at shifting the blame, he is certainly one the longer he's been out of football management the myth has grown.
Kind of get the feeling if it all goes wrong and we go down, both would resigned the day after with "nothing to do with us guv" speak in their statements although I give Sherwood more leeway as we need to liven the place up a bit after the last few years.
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Wilkins no.2 I reckon
That is a dance like Mambo no.5 except you have to move sideways all the time.
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Randy has become a master of bad appointments .
Lambert wasn't a bad appointment at the time.
One season managing in the Premiership hardly constitutes a track record. Mind you we are now talking to a guy with a 28 game track record. Hey ho.
28 games is practically two seasons on the old Kevin Toms Football Manager game.
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Reading the Express rumour that we might try and activate Pulis's release clause at West Brom didn't bring much excitement from me. Sadly because Randolph will not pay off Lambert, and then fork out 2.25 mill for a new manager. Of all the managers who'd realistically manage the club in the state it's in, Pulis is the best of the bunch IMO. Sadly we should have fucked Lambert off months ago and gone for him. Now we're stuck with a choice of Sherwood or the guy who rifles through the bins outside Bodymoor.
Sherwood would undoubtedly need an assistant, at least in the short term. Hoddle and Wilkins would fit the bill for experience, even if they're a couple of complete ring pieces.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tim-sherwood-on-brink-of-taking-aston-villa-job-10045902.html
That is the most definite piece of journalism for me given he writes a Saturday column in the i paper and I think Sam Wallace ghostwrites parts of it and interviews him or however it works.
To me it looks very much a case of this being imminent now.
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If we've only spoken to Sherwood I'll be pissed off.
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If it is Sherwood , do you think Lerner/Fox will give him a 4 year contract ?
A 3 year deal at first, then in 2 years when he's taken us into League one and broken all of Lamberts records, he'll then get a four year extension.
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I don't think people cud be averse to another and Sherwood combination. Similar to a dowie shearer partnership but with a more progressive , passionate and enthusiastically approaching games. No one could deny media interviews would be interesting.
The options though aren't so clear and Sherwood has quite a or push to have his name involved in premier league jobs .Some would think Sherwood has much to prove at this level and his brash attitude needs to be curved with a wiser head. Peter Taylor manager of england and england under 21s woulkd be suitable for a footballing role. Quite why Warnock would be involved is another matter but has experience in relegation battles.
Would people like Sherwood with an experienced manager/coach by his side as part of management team.?
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I can't believe we have a candidate list of 1, not spoken to anyone else just 1. And that 1 is Tim Sherwood.
No, no that can't be true. It just can't.
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Glenn Hoddle is worse than Sherwood at shifting the blame, he is certainly one the longer he's been out of football management the myth has grown.
Hoddle has a decent track record of achievement behind him in securing a promotion from the Champ, saving a relegation threatened club, and of Cup semi and final appearances ,as well as being one of the best performing England managers.
Sherwood has achieved nothing.
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If we've only spoken to Sherwood I'll be pissed off.
I think it's fairly obvious we're looking in the pool of out of work managers. Besides Sherwood I don't think there's anyone else. I can't think of any. We've mentioned the likes of Hodd, Curbs etc but they've been out of management too long and seem in no desperate rush to return.
It's looking increasingly like Sherwood or keep the Marshall's on until the summer and hope for the best.
We're paying the price for not pulling the trigger sooner, at a time when Pulis and Moyes were both out of work, and even Pardew was getting close to going.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tim-sherwood-on-brink-of-taking-aston-villa-job-10045902.html
That is the most definite piece of journalism for me given he writes a Saturday column in the i paper and I think Sam Wallace ghostwrites parts of it and interviews him or however it works.
To me it looks very much a case of this being imminent now.
I would agree, everything points to it being Sherwood and very little to it being anyone else.
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I can think of other's who I'd prefer but at the end of the day, we're making a change which everyone wanted. You can't email the likes of Tom Fox demanding Lambert be sacked then moan about who they bring in (unless it's someone really desperate) and I wouldn't class Sherwood as a desperate appointment anyway. It's a gamble more than anything bearing in mind our position, but I'm happier than I was Tuesday.
Says it all for me.
Fox made the call on sacking Lambert, so we respectfully must allow him the chance to make the judgement on the new appointment.
Whoever takes over does not have the given right of keeping us in the premier league, therefore whoever we appoint will be a gamble.
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I don't think people cud be averse to another and Sherwood combination. Similar to a dowie shearer partnership but with a more progressive , passionate and enthusiastically approaching games. No one could deny media interviews would be interesting.
The options though aren't so clear and Sherwood has quite a or push to have his name involved in premier league jobs .Some would think Sherwood has much to prove at this level and his brash attitude needs to be curved with a wiser head. Peter Taylor manager of england and england under 21s woulkd be suitable for a footballing role. Quite why Warnock would be involved is another matter but has experience in relegation battles.
Would people like Sherwood with an experienced manager/coach by his side as part of management team.?
Who apart from you is saying Warnock is involved at all?
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Martin Jol anyone?
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tim-sherwood-on-brink-of-taking-aston-villa-job-10045902.html
That is the most definite piece of journalism for me given he writes a Saturday column in the i paper and I think Sam Wallace ghostwrites parts of it and interviews him or however it works.
To me it looks very much a case of this being imminent now.
No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no!
NO!
How many days of optimism did I have, two?
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I suppose whoever takes over almost has a no lose job in the short term. If they keep us up they've done well. If we go down, the damage was already done.
Undoubtedly Sherwood would put himself forward for the manager of the year award should he keep us up.
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I don't think people cud be averse to another and Sherwood combination. Similar to a dowie shearer partnership but with a more progressive , passionate and enthusiastically approaching games. No one could deny media interviews would be interesting.
The options though aren't so clear and Sherwood has quite a or push to have his name involved in premier league jobs .Some would think Sherwood has much to prove at this level and his brash attitude needs to be curved with a wiser head. Peter Taylor manager of england and england under 21s woulkd be suitable for a footballing role. Quite why Warnock would be involved is another matter but has experience in relegation battles.
Would people like Sherwood with an experienced manager/coach by his side as part of management team.?
I think when you are concerned about who the number two is it means you aren't convinced about the number one. When we appointed SGT and BFR I can't remember my first thought being 'who will be the assistant manager'.
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The current day candidates with experience of successfully keeping clubs in the top flight are already in work, I am thinking Pulis and Big Sam but I doubt we have much chance of getting either of them, Hughes would probably keep us up but again very unlikely he would leave Stoke, this for me leaves candidates who have previous experience such as Curbishley who I think could do a good steady job but will be seen as dull and out of touch, at present we are not looking long term but at 13 games to somehow retain premiership status, we need someone to shake up the dressing room and make an immediate impact, Sherwood long term might well turn out turn out to be the useless cockney wanker many on here think he is but short term I believe he would keep us up, retreats to bunker with tin hat on.
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Martin Jol anyone?
I think he'd snowball us down to the Championship faster than Lambert had he stayed to be honest. I'd rather take the gamble on Sherwood.
Is there anyone out there who isn't a Spurs reject I wonder??
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Regards to Hoddle and Sherwood its a no as they arent on the best of terms. Warnock is a big fan of Sherwood and has publicly championed his cause for both Palace and QPR jobs. Do you wonder why the man is quiet this time around on Tims chances for Villa?? Could he be involved to?
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Regards to Hoddle and Sherwood its a no as they arent on the best of terms. Warnock is a big fan of Sherwood and has publicly championed his cause for both Palace and QPR jobs. Do you wonder why the man is quiet this time around on Tims chances for Villa?? Could he be involved to?
If there's a God...no.
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There's only one thing I can think of that'd be worse than giving the job to Tim bastard Sherwood.
And that's making Glenda sodding Hoddle his assistant.
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The current day candidates with experience of successfully keeping clubs in the top flight are already in work, I am thinking Pulis and Big Sam but I doubt we have much chance of getting either of them, Hughes would probably keep us up but again very unlikely he would leave Stoke, this for me leaves candidates who have previous experience such as Curbishley who I think could do a good steady job but will be seen as dull and out of touch, at present we are not looking long term but at 13 games to somehow retain premiership status, we need someone to shake up the dressing room and make an immediate impact, Sherwood long term might well turn out turn out to be the useless cockney wanker many on here think he is but short term I believe he would keep us up, retreats to bunker with tin hat on.
As you mentioned Curbishley it is time I once again brought up 'Curbishley's Law'. This is the rule whereby whenever a Premier League managerial vacancy comes up he is always in the top ten of the betting. I am convinced this will be the case for the next ten years.
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I've always liked Jol for some reason. I felt he got pinged at Spuds early to be honest.
Experienced, worked in Germany and Netherlands at Ajax and Hamburg so has managed big clubs. Would complement our squad of players.
Has a soft spot for us and most of all is available now.
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http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/community/threads/tim-sherwood.6708/page-15
Sounds promising.....
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I've always liked Jol frsoe reason. I felt he got pinged at Spuds early to be honest.
Experienced, worked in Germany and Netherlands at Ajax and Hamburg so has managed big clubs. Would complement our squad of players.
Has a soft spot for us and most of all is available now.
What did you make of his experience at Fulham? He fell away at Fulham and didnt win the league with Ajax if i'm right ?? And where is the soft spot hes a wba man
Sherwood is a proven leader as a captain of premier league winning team at least and will be enthused . However he can stil be thinking hes a player and cpatain rather than manager/coach. I think concerns are that he knew the spurs players. Nevetheless I think he is far more shrewd than Keane and has a far better temperament and coaching ability. His similarity are the demands he ll put on the players. Theres no way Tim Sherwood sides wont be attempting to be scoring goals and winning matches. Thats something we all want
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I don't want Sherwood for the reasons already mentioned.
But there are two ways of looking at this. One is that any kind of half decent manager or coach (does Sherwood count as either? ;)) only really needs to bring a bit of life to the place for a few games, and chances are that would be enough to keep us up.
The other is that he is totally the wrong sort of manager for us on both short and long term fronts. He does not have the sort of experience of fighting the drop, and in the long term I don't think he has enough about him or experience to be able to stablised us even if we did stay up this season. I don't want him as a stop gap manager, but I'd rather gamble on him in the short term than I would the long term. In a way giving him a long term contract is a bit like a company giving a youngster a three year contract and allowing him to figure the job out as goes along.
This is the draw back of leaving the Lambert sacking so late, and to do the sacking almost on the spare of the moment (which I think is what happened) and then to have no back up plan is just poor managment. It really is a bit of a shambles ::)
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I think he'd snowball us down to the Championship faster than Lambert had he stayed to be honest. I'd rather take the gamble on Sherwood.
I accept that Sherwood might save us, but he might not.
If we go down he has zero credentials to bring us up from the Champ, with numerous others better placed.
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If Fernandes would not meet Sherwoods terms at QPR, nor Peace at WBA, Lerner is hardly going to roll over, is he?
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I've always liked Jol frsoe reason. I felt he got pinged at Spuds early to be honest.
Experienced, worked in Germany and Netherlands at Ajax and Hamburg so has managed big clubs. Would complement our squad of players.
Has a soft spot for us and most of all is available now.
What did you make of his experience at Fulham? He fell away at Fulham and didnt win the league with Ajax if i'm right ?? And where is the soft spot hes a wba man
He assembled a decent squad at Fulham, did alright for a couple of years before that poor run that led to his sacking - just like 99% of managers.
He went to Rotterdam in the Villa end one night in May 1982. Talks quite openly about it.
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Tim Sherwood.
That appointment would be my absolute worst god damn nightmare. And it would show yet again that the people running our club have no fooking idea what they are doing. isnt it painfully obvious we need either an experienced, tenured man for the job, or a short term, tactical "keep us up" while we take our time to find the man to right the shop long term. It literally beggars belief to me that according to a poll in the BM, 64% of Villa fans think Sherwood would be a good appointment - based on what for christ sake? His resume is shorter than my 2 year olds, and for all the "he did well at Spurs" nonsense, that was frankly like inheriting a nice hot Sunday lunch as opposed inheriting the dogs dinner that is Villa right now.
Sherwood if appointed, will be a complete nightmare. It will show we have learnt nothing.
Dear Mr Lerner / Mr Fox - DONT DO IT
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I know a Fulham scout very well, and he has little time for Jol and his general instruction when looking for players.
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Tim Sherwood.
That appointment would be my absolute worst god damn nightmare. And it would show yet again that the people running our club have no fooking idea what they are doing. isnt it painfully obvious we need either an experienced, tenured man for the job, or a short term, tactical "keep us up" while we take our time to find the man to right the shop long term. It literally beggars belief to me that according to a poll in the BM, 64% of Villa fans think Sherwood would be a good appointment - based on what for christ sake? His resume is shorter than my 2 year olds, and for all the "he did well at Spurs" nonsense, that was frankly like inheriting a nice hot Sunday lunch as opposed inheriting the dogs dinner that is Villa right now.
Sherwood if appointed, will be a complete nightmare. It will show we have learnt nothing.
Dear Mr Lerner / Mr Fox - DONT DO IT
Nailed it!
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If Fernandes would not meet Sherwoods terms at QPR, nor Peace at WBA, Lerner is hardly going to roll over, is he?
You wouldn't think so no? But then maybe Sherwood eager to prove himself would come on the cheap I don't know. All I know is that his appoitment would be a far bigger gamble for us than for him. And your point about him not having the credentials to bring us back up is spot on and I just what I was thinking.
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http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/community/threads/tim-sherwood.6708/page-15
Sounds promising.....
Oh, indeed. QPR get the brains whilst we get the arse.
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I know a Fulham scout very well, and he has little time for Jol and his general instruction when looking for players.
We don't need to look for players, we need to get some points in the next 13 matches.
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"Discreet" enquiries made about Tony Pulis's escape clause at Albion.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/558061/Aston-Villa-Shock-Move-Tony-Pulis-West-Brom
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I've always liked Jol frsoe reason. I felt he got pinged at Spuds early to be honest.
Experienced, worked in Germany and Netherlands at Ajax and Hamburg so has managed big clubs. Would complement our squad of players.
Has a soft spot for us and most of all is available now.
What did you make of his experience at Fulham? He fell away at Fulham and didnt win the league with Ajax if i'm right ?? And where is the soft spot hes a wba man
He assembled a decent squad at Fulham, did alright for a couple of years before that poor run that led to his sacking - just like 99% of managers.
He went to Rotterdam in the Villa end one night in May 1982. Talks quite openly about it.
Always been a pretty big Jol fan, but he does have his limitations and in a way it feels like that ship has sailed. Some managers you just need to get during a certain purple patch of their careers his would have been post Spurs or if we could have nicked him from Fulham. I don't think he could turn us around now.
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Can you imagine. Franksey would have a stroke.
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"Discreet" enquiries made about Tony Pulis's escape clause at Albion.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/558061/Aston-Villa-Shock-Move-Tony-Pulis-West-Brom
I don't know having walked out on Palace another abupt move might make Pulis look like someone who is whoring his services out. Question is does he want an extended run and chance to advance a club? Or is he just happy being paid well to stablise clubs in the short term. I suspect the former. And why would West Brom want to risk their long term top flight future by letting him go?
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http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/community/threads/tim-sherwood.6708/page-15
Sounds promising.....
Oh, indeed. QPR get the brains whilst we get the arse.
Depends who we bring in as number 2 doesn't it. The team around Sherwood will be more important than Sherwood himself.
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Regards to Hoddle and Sherwood its a no as they arent on the best of terms. Warnock is a big fan of Sherwood and has publicly championed his cause for both Palace and QPR jobs. Do you wonder why the man is quiet this time around on Tims chances for Villa?? Could he be involved to?
Yes, I think that's it.
We haven't heard anything from Alex Ferguson or David Moyes either, so they must be involved too.
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Fabian on BBC saying there is no way we will get relegated...and wouldn't mind his mum taking the job.
Jenas saying Sherwood would be a fantastic choice, loved his time under him, training was great, worked well with all the young lads and full of confidence...Le Saux saying the same.
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Depends who we bring in as number 2 doesn't it. The team around Sherwood will be more important than Sherwood himself.
And therein lies the rub.
His team are Ramsey- who won't bail out of QPR, and DOF Sir Les who is also there. Neither of whom I would want anywhere near Villa.
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Fabian Delph on Football Focus just now reckons his mom could do the job.
Come on Mrs. Delph, you could be professional football's first female manager.
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Fabian Delph on Football Focus just now reckons his mom could do the job.
Come on Mrs. Delph, you could be professional football's first female manager.
Perhaps a joint appointment with Sandra Redknapp as our attacking coach?
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Fabian on BBC saying there is no way we will get relegated...and wouldn't mind his mum taking the job.
Jenas saying Sherwood would be a fantastic choice, loved his time under him, training was great, worked well with all the young lads and full of confidence...Le Saux saying the same.
Its good to see a bit of fighting talk from Delph.
I love how players such as Jenas who only had a cup of coffee at the club are suddernly turned into official mouth pieces whose views we are meant to take serious. And since when does enjoying training with a guy make him a good manager?
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"Discreet" enquiries made about Tony Pulis's escape clause at Albion.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/558061/Aston-Villa-Shock-Move-Tony-Pulis-West-Brom
Would he fancy his chances at as big a club as he is likely to get an offer from in his career (the Champions League cartel are never going to even consider him) or would he think he is better off staying at Albion rather than going to a club that could change owners at any time?
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http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/community/threads/tim-sherwood.6708/page-15
Sounds promising.....
Oh, indeed. QPR get the brains whilst we get the arse.
Depends who we bring in as number 2 doesn't it. The team around Sherwood will be more important than Sherwood himself.
It doesn't hide the fact Sherwood is an arse and probably the biggest chancer in football. Tactically clueless, gobshite, rode on the coat tails of Ramsey and tried to steal the glory. I could go on but what's the point.
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Depends who we bring in as number 2 doesn't it. The team around Sherwood will be more important than Sherwood himself.
And therein lies the rub.
His team are Ramsey- who won't bail out of QPR, and DOF Sir Les who is also there. Neither of whom I would want anywhere near Villa.
They were his team for 6 months at Spurs, but Ferdinand never strikes me as a coaching visionary. If Sherwood brought in a really top coach that we haven't heard of, then would people be happier about it? I just think we need to take stock, and give whoever gets it a chance to do it before deriding it as the worst appointment in the history of world football.
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How on earth can Tim Sherwood command a big salary ?
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How on earth can Tim Sherwood command a big salary ?
Fixed.
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Depends who we bring in as number 2 doesn't it. The team around Sherwood will be more important than Sherwood himself.
And therein lies the rub.
His team are Ramsey- who won't bail out of QPR, and DOF Sir Les who is also there. Neither of whom I would want anywhere near Villa.
They were his team for 6 months at Spurs, but Ferdinand never strikes me as a coaching visionary. If Sherwood brought in a really top coach that we haven't heard of, then would people be happier about it? I just think we need to take stock, and give whoever gets it a chance to do it before deriding it as the worst appointment in the history of world football.
I know it seems silly to say this but if we are just going to take a gamble on someone like Sherwood then we might as well have kept Lambert around to the end of the season. A bit of fresh blood is the only postive I can see from bringing Sherwood in. I will reserve judgement of course, but IMO it is totally the wrong apointment and even if he kept us up we would likely be right back in the same position next year.
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http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/community/threads/tim-sherwood.6708/page-15
Sounds promising.....
Oh, indeed. QPR get the brains whilst we get the arse.
Depends who we bring in as number 2 doesn't it. The team around Sherwood will be more important than Sherwood himself.
It doesn't hide the fact Sherwood is an arse and probably the biggest chancer in football. Tactically clueless, gobshite, rode on the coat tails of Ramsey and tried to steal the glory. I could go on but what's the point.
I am far from dancing with joy at the prospect of Sherwood but how much of that do we know for a fact to be true?
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Tim Sherwood.
That appointment would be my absolute worst god damn nightmare. And it would show yet again that the people running our club have no fooking idea what they are doing. isnt it painfully obvious we need either an experienced, tenured man for the job, or a short term, tactical "keep us up" while we take our time to find the man to right the shop long term. It literally beggars belief to me that according to a poll in the BM, 64% of Villa fans think Sherwood would be a good appointment - based on what for christ sake? His resume is shorter than my 2 year olds, and for all the "he did well at Spurs" nonsense, that was frankly like inheriting a nice hot Sunday lunch as opposed inheriting the dogs dinner that is Villa right now.
Sherwood if appointed, will be a complete nightmare. It will show we have learnt nothing.
Dear Mr Lerner / Mr Fox - DONT DO IT
Nailed it!
Agreed.
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Depends who we bring in as number 2 doesn't it. The team around Sherwood will be more important than Sherwood himself.
And therein lies the rub.
His team are Ramsey- who won't bail out of QPR, and DOF Sir Les who is also there. Neither of whom I would want anywhere near Villa.
They were his team for 6 months at Spurs, but Ferdinand never strikes me as a coaching visionary. If Sherwood brought in a really top coach that we haven't heard of, then would people be happier about it? I just think we need to take stock, and give whoever gets it a chance to do it before deriding it as the worst appointment in the history of world football.
I know it seems silly to say this but if we are just going to take a gamble on someone like Sherwood then we might as well have kept Lambert around to the end of the season. A bit of fresh blood is the only postive I can see from bringing Sherwood in. I will reserve judgement of course, but IMO it is totally the wrong apointment and even if he kept us up we would likely be right back in the same position next year.
There's a good chance of this so I'm hoping against hope Sherwood doesn't get a contract longer than 2 years.
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I know it seems silly to say this but if we are just going to take a gamble on someone like Sherwood then we might as well have kept Lambert around to the end of the season. A bit of fresh blood is the only postive I can see from bringing Sherwood in. I will reserve judgement of course, but IMO it is totally the wrong apointment and even if he kept us up we would likely be right back in the same position next year.
I agree.
If we go down, at least we will know what type of manager we will need.
What about Guus Hiddink till the end of the season? He could win the Cup too!
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http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/community/threads/tim-sherwood.6708/page-15
Sounds promising.....
Oh, indeed. QPR get the brains whilst we get the arse.
Depends who we bring in as number 2 doesn't it. The team around Sherwood will be more important than Sherwood himself.
It doesn't hide the fact Sherwood is an arse and probably the biggest chancer in football. Tactically clueless, gobshite, rode on the coat tails of Ramsey and tried to steal the glory. I could go on but what's the point.
Where did all that information come from?
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If Fernandes would not meet Sherwoods terms at QPR, nor Peace at WBA, Lerner is hardly going to roll over, is he?
You wouldn't think so no? But then maybe Sherwood eager to prove himself would come on the cheap I don't know. All I know is that his appoitment would be a far bigger gamble for us than for him. And your point about him not having the credentials to bring us back up is spot on and I just what I was thinking.
I would think its PR from sherwoods people to spin that way about not agreeing terms.
Also lets just see how well Ramsey does at QPR without Timmy ! Sherwood is no mug despite what people think.
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http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/community/threads/tim-sherwood.6708/page-15
Sounds promising.....
Oh, indeed. QPR get the brains whilst we get the arse.
Depends who we bring in as number 2 doesn't it. The team around Sherwood will be more important than Sherwood himself.
It doesn't hide the fact Sherwood is an arse and probably the biggest chancer in football. Tactically clueless, gobshite, rode on the coat tails of Ramsey and tried to steal the glory. I could go on but what's the point.
I am far from dancing with joy at the prospect of Sherwood but how much of that do we know for a fact to be true?
As Ron Saunders might have said, "Do you really want to find out?"
I'm hoping we won't have to but when everybody tells you it's shit as it looks like shit, smells like shit, tastes like shit, don't be surprised that it is in fact, shit.
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Anyone have a sneaky suspicion that they're going to do a post reveal before the Leicester game like they did with Delphs contract before Bournemouth?
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Anyone have a sneaky suspicion that they're going to do a post reveal before the Leicester game like they did with Delphs contract before Bournemouth?
Nope. Too early yet
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Anyone have a sneaky suspicion that they're going to do a post reveal before the Leicester game like they did with Delphs contract before Bournemouth?
Nope. Too early yet
You never know....no one thought Delph was staying....or Lambert was going
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How about this as a possible scenario
With Sherwood attending a couple of games recently I think he was definitely up for the DoF role. We are not looking at the traditional DoF role more looking after the academy & scouting which was what he did well at Spurs.
Maybe they've said to him we still want you for that job but how about seeing if you can dig us out of a hole by taking over until the summer and we go out and get someone else when we'll be in a better position. Here's £3m if you keep us up and the DoF role is yours.
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How about this as a possible scenario
With Sherwood attending a couple of games recently I think he was definitely up for the DoF role. We are not looking at the traditional DoF role more looking after the academy & scouting which was what he did well at Spurs.
Maybe they've said to him we still want you for that job but how about seeing if you can dig us out of a hole by taking over until the summer and we go out and get someone else when we'll be in a better position. Here's £3m if you keep us up and the DoF role is yours.
I can see no basis whatsoever for him being offered a DOF role anywhere.
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http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/community/threads/tim-sherwood.6708/page-15
Sounds promising.....
Oh, indeed. QPR get the brains whilst we get the arse.
Depends who we bring in as number 2 doesn't it. The team around Sherwood will be more important than Sherwood himself.
It doesn't hide the fact Sherwood is an arse and probably the biggest chancer in football. Tactically clueless, gobshite, rode on the coat tails of Ramsey and tried to steal the glory. I could go on but what's the point.
Where did all that information come from?
I agree with the gobshite comment and thats why I don't like him much.
Just dont see how after 20 odd games he is good enough to manage our great club
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I know it seems silly to say this but if we are just going to take a gamble on someone like Sherwood then we might as well have kept Lambert around to the end of the season. A bit of fresh blood is the only postive I can see from bringing Sherwood in. I will reserve judgement of course, but IMO it is totally the wrong apointment and even if he kept us up we would likely be right back in the same position next year.
I agree.
If we go down, at least we will know what type of manager we will need.
What about Guus Hiddink till the end of the season? He could win the Cup too!
agree, spurs didnt look that good
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The gobshite bit was there to see in most of his press conferences.
The last thing we need now is a clown. It was annoying having our manager constantly make himself an arse when it was Houllier. At least he had a record to point at and a reason to be arrogant.
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If Fernandes would not meet Sherwoods terms at QPR, nor Peace at WBA, Lerner is hardly going to roll over, is he?
You wouldn't think so no? But then maybe Sherwood eager to prove himself would come on the cheap I don't know. All I know is that his appoitment would be a far bigger gamble for us than for him. And your point about him not having the credentials to bring us back up is spot on and I just what I was thinking.
I would think its PR from sherwoods people to spin that way about not agreeing terms.
Also lets just see how well Ramsey does at QPR without Timmy ! Sherwood is no mug despite what people think.
Not doubting that Sherwood has things to offer or that he couldn't do something in the future. But right now he is completely wrong for our job. People have got carried away because of his six months at Spurs where he did a solid job but under very different conditions. The best fit for him right now would be a club like Forest, his last name is SHERWOOD after all! Boom tish!
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Some back ground-Sherwood earnt his Uefa coaching badges and he joined the likes of Marcel Desailly, Jens Lehmann and Dietmar Hamann in having undertaken the FAWs course(wales) to gain the mandatory qualifications to manage at the highest level course. This is the same course taken by Roberto martinez and Tony Pulis. Sherwood is cavalier which is going to get fans on side but can coach. He ll give everyone a lift by going at it.
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I have been saying all along that sacking a manager is the easy part and that finding a better replacement is where it becomes difficult but that was always waived away with the argument that anyone would be better than Lambert. Now that we are in that position for real suddenly the potential candidates do not seem so attractive.
Which is exactly why we should ignore the obvious candidates and look further afield. You're right that sacking Lambert was the easy part but finding someone better is only marginally less easy. As is finding someone better than Sherwood, Southgate, Hoddle, etc etc.
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All we do know is that the likely appointment of Sherwood is purely press speculation at the moment.Villa do play their cards close to their chest and I am fairly sure a number of managers and their agents , from here and abroad will have made contact with Villa to register their interest.
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Some back ground-Sherwood earnt his Uefa coaching badges and he joined the likes of Marcel Desailly, Jens Lehmann and Dietmar Hamann in having undertaken the FAWs course(wales) to gain the mandatory qualifications to manage at the highest level course. This is the same course taken by Roberto martinez and Tony Pulis. Sherwood is cavalier which is going to get fans on side but can coach. He ll give everyone a lift by going at it.
But lots of people have taken their badges doesn't make them prime for a bottom of the table scrap least of all in the top flight. It has nothing to do with rather Sherwood is or could become a good manager it is to do with him not being the right manager for us, and right now we have no grace period to experiment with such a appointment.
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I'm not a big fan of Sherwood, but I think he has qualities that might be useful, and I'm certain he'll get the squad playing better than Lambert managed.
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I wonder if Diego's still interested.
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Some back ground-Sherwood earnt his Uefa coaching badges and he joined the likes of Marcel Desailly, Jens Lehmann and Dietmar Hamann in having undertaken the FAWs course(wales) to gain the mandatory qualifications to manage at the highest level course. This is the same course taken by Roberto martinez and Tony Pulis. Sherwood is cavalier which is going to get fans on side but can coach. He ll give everyone a lift by going at it.
I don't doubt Sherwood's qualifications. I do doubt his experience.
I also doubt that " He ll give everyone a lift by going at it." That is what Stuart Pearce offered at Forest- it isn't enough.
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I am genuinely bewildered by the possibility of Sherwood becoming our manager. Or that he is even being considered. The man has 28 games' worth of management experience. Maybe he has talent, maybe he doesn't but for fuck's sake let him go and prove that somewhere else for now. On what basis can be said to have anything like the required ability to manage the Villa?
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I'm not a big fan of Sherwood, but I think he has qualities that might be useful,
What qualities are those?
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I'm not a big fan of Sherwood, but I think he has qualities that might be useful, and I'm certain he'll get the squad playing better than Lambert managed.
We all knew Lambert was tactically inept but he never tried to pass the buck. Sherwood is also tactically inept but blamed the players when they lost and praised himself when they won. The man is an arse.
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It's looking increasing like sherwood, not overly keen, I think it would be positive if he brought Wilkins as his number 2 as in my opion he speaks sense
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I am genuinely bewildered by the possibility of Sherwood becoming our manager. Or that he is even being considered. The man has 28 games' worth of management experience. Maybe he has talent, maybe he doesn't but for fuck's sake let him go and prove that somewhere else for now. On what basis can be said to have anything like the required ability to manage the Villa?
Exactly. If I read tomorrow that Sherwood had been appointed the new manager of Swindon Town I wouldn't be at all surprised. There is absolutely nothing that says he has the credentials to manage Aston Villa. Nothing.
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I think Wilkins is the Jordan national team manager at the moment.
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I'll be happy with Sherwood. He certainly doesn't take any crap, he'll give our players the kick up the arse that they clearly need.
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It's looking increasing like sherwood, not overly keen, I think it would be positive if he brought Wilkins as his number 2 as in my opion he speaks sense
When you have to appoint a No2 because he speaks sense and the No 1 doesn't you have made the wrong No1 appointment.
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John Gregory has the highest win rate as villa manager according to sky, Sherwood seems a similar type of personality so who knows, I know one thing we won't have a choice and if it is Tim then I'll have to back him as we all need to pull together
More than Ron Saunders? I'd be surprised.
Presumably they omitted caretakers like Jim Barron.
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I'll be happy with Sherwood. He certainly doesn't take any crap,
This is what I call the Stuart Pearce argument...
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It feels like not only were there no other names seriously linked with the job, but that they're giving it to Sherwood without even trying to look for another candidate. Either that interview was the most compelling and convincing thing Tim Sherwood has ever come out with, or desperation abounds. It's a contemptuous appointment and very disappointing if you're looking for someone other than a person who can 'give those overpaid millionaires a kick up the arse'.
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If we're going down the route of getting a guy who can motivate the team until the end of the season why not Big Ron?
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Sherwood almost certainly will be a disaster, in the medium-term if not in the short-term. He was described as 'progressive' in the Guardian. I wasn't aware that not having any actual tactics was considered 'progressive' these days - perhaps it's some sort of postmodern, nihilistic art-terrorism.
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One of Allardyce or Moyes would be my choice. The amount of money coming in from this next TV deal surely Fox and Lerner should be trying to secure an experienced man to keep us in it rather than a guy who's had twenty odd games in charge and with better players. Or have we just got a shed load of gilet's in the club shop we need shifting?
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Sherwood almost certainly will be a disaster, in the medium-term if not in the short-term. He was described as 'progressive' in the Guardian. I wasn't aware that not having any actual tactics was considered 'progressive' these days - perhaps it's some sort of postmodern, nihilistic art-terrorism.
Or "poncin' abaaaht", as dear Tim would probably refer to it.
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I think Wilkins is the Jordan national team manager at the moment.
Looking at his record there, he knows what it is like to fail.
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John Gregory has the highest win rate as villa manager according to sky, Sherwood seems a similar type of personality so who knows, I know one thing we won't have a choice and if it is Tim then I'll have to back him as we all need to pull together
More than Ron Saunders? I'd be surprised.
Presumably they omitted caretakers like Jim Barron.
And started in 1992.
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The only positive I can find with Timothy is he does give youth a chance and he does attack which is kind of what we really need more than anything right now.
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The only positive I can find with Timothy is he does give youth a chance and he does attack which is kind of what we really need more than anything right now.
What we need more than anything now is points.
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I've been watching videos of, and about, our Tim. I'm actually embarrassed that the club is going to appoint this man. Of all the humiliations we've suffered this season, this might be the greatest. I actually can't really believe it's happening.
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The only positive I can find with Timothy is he does give youth a chance and he does attack which is kind of what we really need more than anything right now.
What we need more than anything now is points.
How do you get points, by scoring goals.
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http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/community/threads/tim-sherwood.6708/page-15
Sounds promising.....
Oh dear the Spurs fans don't like him much - I'll add that to the growing list of reasons to like Tim Sherwood.
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I've been watching videos of, and about, our Tim. I'm actually embarrassed that the club is going to appoint this man. Of all the humiliations we've suffered this season, this might be the greatest. I actually can't really believe it's happening.
He will get us relegated, then offer the defence that we were shit , which we already know.
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I've been watching videos of, and about, our Tim. I'm actually embarrassed that the club is going to appoint this man. Of all the humiliations we've suffered this season, this might be the greatest. I actually can't really believe it's happening.
Isn't that all a bit over the top? We're not appointing Bobby Ball.
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I've been watching videos of, and about, our Tim. I'm actually embarrassed that the club is going to appoint this man. Of all the humiliations we've suffered this season, this might be the greatest. I actually can't really believe it's happening.
If it is him I hope they've learned not to hand out lengthy contracts to mediocre people
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The only positive I can find with Timothy is he does give youth a chance and he does attack which is kind of what we really need more than anything right now.
What we need more than anything now is points.
How do you get points, by scoring goals.
Goals. I remember them. Just.
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It's probably wishful thinking that all the media crap about Sherwood is just crap, otherwise it seems our leaders have learnt nothing from their previous forays into appointing a manager.
Sherwood and Wilkins, a total sum of f*ck all in management and coaching success. Perhaps the Mirror's piece on Campbell wanting to be our manager with no coaching or management experience sums up the media's current knowledge about what's going on at B6.
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Spurs fans don't like him much - I'll add that to the growing list of reasons to like Tim Sherwood.
If considering managers on the basis that Spurs fans don't like them is the way forwards it will be a long list.
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I've been watching videos of, and about, our Tim. I'm actually embarrassed that the club is going to appoint this man. Of all the humiliations we've suffered this season, this might be the greatest. I actually can't really believe it's happening.
Isn't that all a bit over the top? We're not appointing Bobby Ball.
Seriously, the guy is unbelievably embarrassing. His gibbering after the Chelsea game, semi-coherently blaming the players for not having enough 'character' when in fact he'd sent them out there wide open with players out of position and no plan, was f***ing shameful. I can't believe we're going to hire this guy, and if he does take us down, it will be in the most humiliating fashion possible.
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How do you get points? by scoring goals.
What is this "goals" thing of which you speak?
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I've been watching videos of, and about, our Tim. I'm actually embarrassed that the club is going to appoint this man. Of all the humiliations we've suffered this season, this might be the greatest. I actually can't really believe it's happening.
Isn't that all a bit over the top? We're not appointing Bobby Ball.
Seriously, the guy is unbelievably embarrassing. His gibbering after the Chelsea game, semi-coherently blaming the players for not having enough 'character' when in fact he'd sent them out there wide open with players out of position and no plan, was f***ing shameful. I can't believe we're going to hire this guy, and if he does take us down, it will be in the most humiliating fashion possible.
Yes because saying were excellent every week regardless of how shite we are has really bought out the best in our players.
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I've been watching videos of, and about, our Tim. I'm actually embarrassed that the club is going to appoint this man. Of all the humiliations we've suffered this season, this might be the greatest. I actually can't really believe it's happening.
Isn't that all a bit over the top? We're not appointing Bobby Ball.
On the one hand we are being told he is too inexperienced and on the other that people know enough about him to totally trash him as a man and a potential manager.
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Getting rid of a manager who failed because his coaching and tactics weren't good enough and replacing him with someone who is tactically weaker and who won't be bringing the guy who did the coaching in his last job seems wrong to me. To do it In a bit of a rush without seemingly contacting anyone else despite a statement saying it wouldn't be rushed is just ridiculous. If they speak to 5-6 people and decide Sherwood is the best option then so be it but I can't bring myself to be pleased with it if he comes in like this, it looks half arsed and desperate.
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I've been watching videos of, and about, our Tim. I'm actually embarrassed that the club is going to appoint this man. Of all the humiliations we've suffered this season, this might be the greatest. I actually can't really believe it's happening.
Isn't that all a bit over the top? We're not appointing Bobby Ball.
On the one hand we are being told he is too inexperienced and on the other that people know enough about him to totally trash him as a man and a potential manager.
Come on Chris, look at the evidence. I beg you to look at the evidence. It's an absolute miracle that this guy's getting a job in the Premier League again. And they're not going to talk to anyone else at all? Nobody? This is their guy? It's pretty embarrassing.
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On the one hand we are being told he is too inexperienced and on the other that people know enough about him to totally trash him as a man and a potential manager.
You misrepresent the argument.
It is that his known inexperience is sufficient to rule him out.
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Getting rid of a manager who failed because his coaching and tactics weren't good enough and replacing him with someone who is tactically weaker and who won't be bringing the guy who did the coaching in his last job seems wrong to me. To do it In a bit of a rush without seemingly contacting anyone else despite a statement saying it wouldn't be rushed is just ridiculous. If they speak to 5-6 people and decide Sherwood is the best option then so be it but I can't bring myself to be pleased with it if he comes in like this, it looks half arsed and desperate.
That's because it is if Fox is appointing Sherwood.
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I've been watching videos of, and about, our Tim. I'm actually embarrassed that the club is going to appoint this man. Of all the humiliations we've suffered this season, this might be the greatest. I actually can't really believe it's happening.
Isn't that all a bit over the top? We're not appointing Bobby Ball.
On the one hand we are being told he is too inexperienced and on the other that people know enough about him to totally trash him as a man and a potential manager.
He is too inexperienced.
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He is too inexperienced. He is an arrogant tosser. He does think too much of himself.
All things I won't give a toss about if he keeps us up, and he stands a better chance than Lambert did. Or indeed than Hoddle would, or Lennon who all the same comments have been made about prior to being at Bolton.
Criticising Fox for not appointing him with his assistant from Spurs before we even know what the make up of his backroom team will be seems to be very harsh too.
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Getting rid of a manager who failed because his coaching and tactics weren't good enough and replacing him with someone who is tactically weaker and who won't be bringing the guy who did the coaching in his last job seems wrong to me. To do it In a bit of a rush without seemingly contacting anyone else despite a statement saying it wouldn't be rushed is just ridiculous. If they speak to 5-6 people and decide Sherwood is the best option then so be it but I can't bring myself to be pleased with it if he comes in like this, it looks half arsed and desperate.
Very true. I read some where yesterday that we had three on the short list, Sherwood being one. Fingers and everything else crossed we have somebody else more qualified for the job.
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I've been watching videos of, and about, our Tim. I'm actually embarrassed that the club is going to appoint this man. Of all the humiliations we've suffered this season, this might be the greatest. I actually can't really believe it's happening.
blimey Monty. I'm not in favour of the appointment either that's a tad strong. I'd be more annoyed that the search wasn't more extensive and well thought out than consider this an embarrassment. But I'd still give him a chance to prove me wrong and get behind him and the side. The majority thought Lambert was a good choice at the time and nobody saw it ending the way it did. The truth is with any new hire, we really don't know for sure how it will work out. For all of the things that make Sherwood instantly dislikable it's not like the Spurs team under him capitulated. Even after that rant post Chelsea they won 5 of 6 so he clearly ruffled the feathers of some of the players and had no affect or even motivated some. My concern would be how long can you do that before it wears thin. And I think he was fired more because it was convenient to do so at the end of the season, Levy's ego and because Pochettino was available as much as anything else. He wasn't fired because of results.
At the end of the day if he is hired we'd have to see under what circumstances they make the appointment. I would sincerely hope that the club maintain any plans they had for the structure of the club and Sherwood had agreed to work within it. Ideally there are others they are talking to also that we don't know about. It's not like Villa to openly talk about this anyway.
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If Fernandes would not meet Sherwoods terms at QPR, nor Peace at WBA, Lerner is hardly going to roll over, is he?
You wouldn't think so no? But then maybe Sherwood eager to prove himself would come on the cheap I don't know. All I know is that his appoitment would be a far bigger gamble for us than for him. And your point about him not having the credentials to bring us back up is spot on and I just what I was thinking.
I would think its PR from sherwoods people to spin that way about not agreeing terms.
Also lets just see how well Ramsey does at QPR without Timmy ! Sherwood is no mug despite what people think.
Not doubting that Sherwood has things to offer or that he couldn't do something in the future. But right now he is completely wrong for our job. People have got carried away because of his six months at Spurs where he did a solid job but under very different conditions. The best fit for him right now would be a club like Forest, his last name is SHERWOOD after all! Boom tish!
Difficult? Didn't they
have over £100m talent added to that squad only made months before?
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I'd rather give the job on a short-term basis to Martin Laursen (boss) and John Carew (number two)*. Laursen has all the required badges now - which is more than can be said for TS, I believe - and, like Big John, has plenty of passion for the club. These two would be just as likely to fire the squad up as Sherwood in the short-term and they'd certainly unite the fans.
Apart from the many fair points raised here about his lack of experience, Tim Sherwood strikes me as being another Roy Keane: as far as I can see he loves the sound of his own voice, likes the camera in his face and simply aches to throw out a soundbite for journos. I think he would be far more interested in his own career than Aston Villa...the red flags are too numerous to list.
If it's to be a short-term fix (and there are no suitably experienced candidates) get some Villa men in to unite us all and push us on. I'd rather have the inexperienced Martin Laursen than the inexperienced Tim Sherwood.
*Assuming they want the jobs, of course.
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On the one hand we are being told he is too inexperienced and on the other that people know enough about him to totally trash him as a man and a potential manager.
You misrepresent the argument.
It is that his known inexperience is sufficient to rule him out.
But people have watched video's about him. Case closed really.
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If Tim Sherwood becomes the new manager so FFS get behind the man.
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I've been watching videos of, and about, our Tim. I'm actually embarrassed that the club is going to appoint this man. Of all the humiliations we've suffered this season, this might be the greatest. I actually can't really believe it's happening.
Isn't that all a bit over the top? We're not appointing Bobby Ball.
On the one hand we are being told he is too inexperienced and on the other that people know enough about him to totally trash him as a man and a potential manager.
Come on Chris, look at the evidence. I beg you to look at the evidence. It's an absolute miracle that this guy's getting a job in the Premier League again. And they're not going to talk to anyone else at all? Nobody? This is their guy? It's pretty embarrassing.
Has there been that solid a link with sherwood to be getting this worked up about it yet? Genuine question, because there's only been the odd newspaper story, and I wouldn't been holding that much faith in them.
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The general Spurs fan consensus is that almost anyone could have put together a few decent results with that team. I'll give him a chance etc etc - I don't have a choice - but I have a very bad feeling about this appointment. It's embarrassing to the club that we've been taken in by this absolutely obvious chancer and charlatan. I'd go so far as to say it's embarrassing to the city because this is all a big cockney deal, a wide boy and his mates in the London press corps.
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The general Spurs fan consensus is that almost anyone could have put together a few decent results with that team. I'll give him a chance etc etc - I don't have a choice - but I have a very bad feeling about this appointment. It's embarrassing to the club that we've been taken in by this absolutely obvious chancer and charlatan. I'd go so far as to say it's embarrassing to the city because this is all a big cockney deal, a wide boy and his mates in the London press corps.
Embarrassing to the city? Don't be so fucking ridiculous.
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The general Spurs fan consensus is that almost anyone could have put together a few decent results with that team. I'll give him a chance etc etc - I don't have a choice - but I have a very bad feeling about this appointment. It's embarrassing to the club that we've been taken in by this absolutely obvious chancer and charlatan. I'd go so far as to say it's embarrassing to the city because this is all a big cockney deal, a wide boy and his mates in the London press corps.
Embarrassing to the city? Don't be so fucking ridiculous.
If Villa are representing the city, then we're not doing so well by falling for this London propaganda. I don't mean 'the city should be embarrassed/ashamed of itself' or anything ludicrous - I mean Villa are letting the city down.
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I've always liked Jol for some reason. I felt he got pinged at Spuds early to be honest.
Experienced, worked in Germany and Netherlands at Ajax and Hamburg so has managed big clubs. Would complement our squad of players.
Has a soft spot for us and most of all is available now.
Agreed. He's a big character as well
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All things I won't give a toss about if he keeps us up, and he stands a better chance than Lambert did. Or indeed than Hoddle would, or Lennon who all the same comments have been made about prior to being at Bolton.
Sherwood is vastly less experienced than Lambert was when he took the job.
Hoddle's record pisses all over Sherwoods
I am no fan of Lennon, but he is a far more rounded candidate than Sherwood ( who isn't?).
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Sometimes the argument "if we can't compete with the best, why can't we at least try to do what Swansea and Southampton do?" crops up.
I doubt that Swansea or Southampton would consider hiring someone like Tim Sherwood.
Possibly because they are paying attention that what is happening in the world of football.
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The general Spurs fan consensus is that almost anyone could have put together a few decent results with that team. I'll give him a chance etc etc - I don't have a choice - but I have a very bad feeling about this appointment. It's embarrassing to the club that we've been taken in by this absolutely obvious chancer and charlatan. I'd go so far as to say it's embarrassing to the city because this is all a big cockney deal, a wide boy and his mates in the London press corps.
Hmm. Is it not possible that in his talks with Fox he has laid out an impressive vision for the future of the club? Could he not have demonstrated that he is willing to give youth it's head, outlined a coaching team and approach that will enable the club to get the best from its players? Might he have agreed to work within a clear club structure, laying the foundations for stability and consistency throughout? Might he have highlighted players who he could bring in during the summer? Could he have demonstrated that he learned a lot during his tenure in charge of Tottenham? Perhaps he has outlined how he intends to use sport sciences to develop the players abilities?
I doubt it, to be honest, but it's possible.
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I'm absolutely flabbergasted that Sherwood is even being considered.
If Mourinho was to be sacked as Chelsea manager and I was to take over, I'm pretty sure I would have a win ratio of at least 50% over the next 20 matches. It wouldn't mean I was a competent football manager though.
On top of Sherwood's lack of experience, he's an arrogant tool who openly blames his players in public for his own tactical failings.
The euphoria of Lambert leaving has vanished already. How depressing.
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Swansea hired Gary Monk who most had never heard of and most thought would fail. He hasn't so I don't know that they wouldn't hire someone like him. Both of those sides over the past few years have given opportunities to inexperienced managers.
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Why are people talking about this like it's a done deal? The way I'm reading it is that Sherwood is leaking the stories to his mates in the press about the job being his to turn down. That's a world away from him actually being appointed.
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In Redknapp's own words 'he won't change'. He might have laid out an impressive vision, but I bet most managers could do that. Lambert probably did that. I just have no faith at all that Sherwood can follow through with any great plans he might have.
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Have not checked above but has anyone asked Spurs fans on their forums for insight?
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Swansea hired Gary Monk who most had never heard of and most thought would fail. He hasn't so I don't know that they wouldn't hire someone like him. .
A misleading argument.
Monk was appointed because he was known very well, so the risk was reduced.
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How many teams,jobs has sherwood been linked with since bombed out by spurs?
Why hasn't any of those resulted in him being appointed?
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The general Spurs fan consensus is that almost anyone could have put together a few decent results with that team. I'll give him a chance etc etc - I don't have a choice - but I have a very bad feeling about this appointment. It's embarrassing to the club that we've been taken in by this absolutely obvious chancer and charlatan. I'd go so far as to say it's embarrassing to the city because this is all a big cockney deal, a wide boy and his mates in the London press corps.
Embarrassing to the city? Don't be so fucking ridiculous.
If Villa are representing the city, then we're not doing so well by falling for this London propaganda. I don't mean 'the city should be embarrassed/ashamed of itself' or anything ludicrous - I mean Villa are letting the city down.
We'd be letting the city down by appointing a cockney? Wow. Just wow.
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Why are people talking about this like it's a done deal? The way I'm reading it is that Sherwood is leaking the stories to his mates in the press about the job being his to turn down. That's a world away from him actually being appointed.
That is Sherwood all over.
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Why are people talking about this like it's a done deal? The way I'm reading it is that Sherwood is leaking the stories to his mates in the press about the job being his to turn down. That's a world away from him actually being appointed.
That is Sherwood all over.
And I do not believe that this wouldn't be noticed by the club.
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How many teams,jobs has sherwood been linked with since bombed out by spurs?
Why hasn't any of those resulted in him being appointed?
Because his terms ( wages, back room staff, length of contract, transfer budget) were unacceptable.
That shouldn't prove a problem to Randy, should it...?
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The general Spurs fan consensus is that almost anyone could have put together a few decent results with that team. I'll give him a chance etc etc - I don't have a choice - but I have a very bad feeling about this appointment. It's embarrassing to the club that we've been taken in by this absolutely obvious chancer and charlatan. I'd go so far as to say it's embarrassing to the city because this is all a big cockney deal, a wide boy and his mates in the London press corps.
Embarrassing to the city? Don't be so fucking ridiculous.
If Villa are representing the city, then we're not doing so well by falling for this London propaganda. I don't mean 'the city should be embarrassed/ashamed of itself' or anything ludicrous - I mean Villa are letting the city down.
We'd be letting the city down by appointing a cockney? Wow. Just wow.
Yep, that's what I meant. Nailed it. I didn't at all mean that we're falling for the propaganda of a bunch of mates in the in-crowd of London media. No, it's his accent.
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Sometimes the argument "if we can't compete with the best, why can't we at least try to do what Swansea and Southampton do?" crops up.
I doubt that Swansea or Southampton would consider hiring someone like Tim Sherwood.
Possibly because they are paying attention that what is happening in the world of football.
I think the point with both of those clubs is that they have followed a consistent approach over a number of years so new men coming in are walking into an established structure. Over recent years we have lurched about like a drunk at closing time so if we are going to "do a Swansea" we will be starting from a long way behind.
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Toronto, Garry Monk was appointed interim manager when Swansea sacked Laudrup and did well enough to get the job permanently. It's true that he was inexperienced, but he got the job on merit.
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Like Cillian Murphy says in 28 Days Later, "It's not just that it's a shit idea; it's that it's so obviously a shit idea."
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Sometimes the argument "if we can't compete with the best, why can't we at least try to do what Swansea and Southampton do?" crops up.
I doubt that Swansea or Southampton would consider hiring someone like Tim Sherwood.
Possibly because they are paying attention that what is happening in the world of football.
I think the point with both of those clubs is that they have followed a consistent approach over a number of years so new men coming in are walking into an established structure. Over recent years we have lurched about like a drunk at closing time so if we are going to "do a Swansea" we will be starting from a long way behind.
But a huge part of that is hiring managers who don't really have much of a tactical outlook. Sherwood would not be hired by Southampton or Swansea for this reason.
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The general Spurs fan consensus is that almost anyone could have put together a few decent results with that team. I'll give him a chance etc etc - I don't have a choice - but I have a very bad feeling about this appointment. It's embarrassing to the club that we've been taken in by this absolutely obvious chancer and charlatan. I'd go so far as to say it's embarrassing to the city because this is all a big cockney deal, a wide boy and his mates in the London press corps.
Embarrassing to the city? Don't be so fucking ridiculous.
If Villa are representing the city, then we're not doing so well by falling for this London propaganda. I don't mean 'the city should be embarrassed/ashamed of itself' or anything ludicrous - I mean Villa are letting the city down.
We'd be letting the city down by appointing a cockney? Wow. Just wow.
Yep, that's what I meant. Nailed it. I didn't at all mean that we're falling for the propaganda of a bunch of mates in the in-crowd of London media. No, it's his accent.
Mate, you're talking shit. I'll leave you to it.
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This is quite interesting.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=foYXM3_yaR4
Now, you can't really have issues with the way he talks and the stuff he is saying. I like this honesty.
But, this is from a bloke a who has been a manager for 5 minutes, and comes across as knob head arrogance.
Is that a bad thing or not? Bloody hell, I'm torn.
Could work in our favour. It's certainly a break from MON and Lambert saying everything is brilliant when we've asked for them to get a rocket up the arse. Could be the sort of tonic for 13 cup finals. Long term who knows? If he comes I'll get behind him for sure.
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I think the point with both of those clubs is that they have followed a consistent approach over a number of years so new men coming in are walking into an established structure. Over recent years we have lurched about like a drunk at closing time so if we are going to "do a Swansea" we will be starting from a long way behind.
And to be fair to the club, there was nothing wrong with the principle of appointing Lambert. Just because that appointment has not worked out should not rule our similar appointments.
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Please do. I'll leave you to your considered views. I'm sure there are plenty of other things out there to call 'fucking ridiculous' if you misunderstand them.
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Allardyce would be the best fit. He can motivate, organise and has the necessary experience. He's only got a few months left on his current deal, so it wouldn't cost that much in compensation. Why oh why our hierarchy didn't act after the run of 6 straight defeats around October/ November is beyond belief. Yet again, poor timing and decision making by the club.
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I think the point with both of those clubs is that they have followed a consistent approach over a number of years so new men coming in are walking into an established structure. Over recent years we have lurched about like a drunk at closing time so if we are going to "do a Swansea" we will be starting from a long way behind.
And to be fair to the club, there was nothing wrong with the principle of appointing Lambert. Just because that appointment has not worked out should not rule our similar appointments.
One of the reasons, in fact the main reason, why I wasn't keen on appointing Lambert was that he only had one season's worth of experience in the Premier League. As it turned out he had no idea about what it take to do consistently well in the top flight. Sherwood has even less experience. If that's who the board want then I think they're wrong.
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Allardyce might be available sooner than you think.
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Please do. I'll leave you to your considered views. I'm sure there are plenty of other things out there to call 'fucking ridiculous' if you misunderstand them.
You did say that Villa would be letting the city of Birmingham down if they appoint him, which is a bit silly.
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Please do. I'll leave you to your considered views. I'm sure there are plenty of other things out there to call 'fucking ridiculous' if you misunderstand them.
You did say that Villa would be letting the city of Birmingham down if they appoint him, which is a bit silly.
Maybe, but he thought that I meant because Sherwood is a cockney, which is nowhere near what I meant.
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Swansea hired Gary Monk who most had never heard of and most thought would fail. He hasn't so I don't know that they wouldn't hire someone like him. .
A misleading argument.
Monk was appointed because he was known very well, so the risk was reduced.
Pochettino was a big gamble for saints which paid off
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Keep it civil or take a break from the site. Entirely your choice chaps.
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BBC announce its Tim Sherwood!
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Swansea hired Gary Monk who most had never heard of and most thought would fail. He hasn't so I don't know that they wouldn't hire someone like him. .
A misleading argument.
Monk was appointed because he was known very well, so the risk was reduced.
Pochettino was a big gamble for saints which paid off
The saints seem to be run much better than us at the moment from youth team, scouting up to first team and manager.
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Fuck, it's happened!
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Pochettino was a big gamble for saints which paid off
I agree.
But the key is not "paid off" but "big gamble".
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Bollocks.
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Please do. I'll leave you to your considered views. I'm sure there are plenty of other things out there to call 'fucking ridiculous' if you misunderstand them.
You did say that Villa would be letting the city of Birmingham down if they appoint him, which is a bit silly.
Maybe, but he thought that I meant because Sherwood is a cockney, which is nowhere near what I meant.
Fair enough.
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4487424,00.html
Three-and-a-half year contract.
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On the website too.
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Pat Murphy just announced Sherwood has been appointed.
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All academic now. Just when you think our owners couldn't make any more ridiculous decisions, they go and hire this spanner.
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Blimey, it's Sherwood.
Well, there it is. An unbelievably quick decision, and you can't help but think what could have been with a little more patience and a wider-reaching search.
Oh well, here we go! Good luck, Tim!
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Another three year appointment, don't they ever learn.
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Fuck
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If we start acting in a manner that appears to be subservient to the so called London mafia (however I am not sure that is the case) and end up appointing a man who has no pedigree, experience, stature or character and considered not good enough by a club smaller than us than we are bringing disrespect to the City of Birmingham and the the Club that is Aston Villa. We should have more ambition and appoint the best possible man available/getable.
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Blimey, it's Sherwood.
Well, there it is. An unbelievably quick decision, and you can't help but think what could have been with a little more patience and a wider-reaching search.
Oh well, here we go! Good luck, Tim!
I think we all need some luck now
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Been lined up for weeks by the sound of it.
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Its clear that he is not everyone's choice on here but he is the manager now so lets get behind him and the team.
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Surprising contract (again)
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Blimey, it's Sherwood.
Well, there it is. An unbelievably quick decision, and you can't help but think what could have been with a little more patience and a wider-reaching search.
Oh well, here we go! Good luck, Tim!
It suggests to me that they've been thinking of this for a while before they pulled the pin on Lambert.
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Im right behind this one, he'll sort this mess out. Looking forward to the game tomorrow now.
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Surprising contract (again)
What's the contract?
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Toronto, Garry Monk was appointed interim manager when Swansea sacked Laudrup and did well enough to get the job permanently. It's true that he was inexperienced, but he got the job on merit.
And how many games was he interim manager for? His inexperience level didn't disqualify him from them taking the chance on him permanently.
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3.5 years contract. Idiots.
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3.5 years contract. Idiots.
Oh. How is that surprising? It's just the kind of fuck up we can expect from Lerner & co. In a year's time they'll be paying him off. Again.
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This is what happens when you put people who don't understand football in charge.
And a 3 year deal too? Ludicrous.
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Surprising contract (again)
What's the contract?
Till 2018 on OS
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Thing is, everyone is saying we'll be paying him off in a year. Bet he gets a new deal no matter where we are in the leagues.
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We just have to get behind him now.
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Good luck Tim. Time to get behind him now.
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This is what happens when you put people who don't understand football in charge.
And a 3 year deal too? Ludicrous.
Everyone knows we are desperate so he was in the driving seat when it came to the contract terms.
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This is what happens when you put people who don't understand football in charge.
And a 3 year deal too? Ludicrous.
Everyone knows we are desperate so he was in the driving seat when it came to the contract terms.
Contracts mean nothing anyway.
I would hope with Fox here now, that if things go sour with Sherwood we'll act in good time. Lambert should have got the gun after Bradford in all honesty. If not then, certainly last season. It was a long, long time coming.
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Swansea hired Gary Monk who most had never heard of and most thought would fail. He hasn't so I don't know that they wouldn't hire someone like him. .
A misleading argument.
Monk was appointed because he was known very well, so the risk was reduced.
Pochettino was a big gamble for saints which paid off
In both instances they were well researched decisions, and ones which suited each club's strategy.
Those appointments seem very different to potentially appointing Sherwood, primarily because he is available.
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A lot of people on this site ( which I love) have kicked the shit out of Tim Sherwood, he is a gobshite, a chancer, a cockney wanker, an embarrassment to the club and the City, people talking about him like they know him and have inside information, a lot of whats been written has been ridiculous and way over the top, well guess what he is now the manager of Aston Villa so lets put those feelings to one side and back him all the way, it may not work out but I for one am backing him 100%, welcome to our wonderful club Tim, I wish you all the best.
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How many managers have we had from that there London?
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How many managers have we had from that there London?
john Gregory ?
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A lot of people on this site ( which I love) have kicked the shit out of Tim Sherwood, he is a gobshite, a chancer, a cockney wanker, an embarrassment to the club and the City, people talking about him like they know him and have inside information, a lot of whats been written has been ridiculous and way over the top, well guess what he is now the manager of Aston Villa so lets put those feelings to one side and back him all the way, it may not work out but I for one am backing him 100%, welcome to our wonderful club Tim, I wish you all the best.
You do realise that it is possible to want him to succeed and wish him all the best and still think the Club have made a mistake and that Sherwood is a bit of a tit.
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Let's hope he learned from his spell at Spurs and has toned down the arrogance a tad.