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Offline Damo70

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Re: Lambert's replacement
« Reply #1905 on: February 14, 2015, 03:52:16 AM »
Oddschecker show market history and it is fascinating in the case of Sherwood and Villa. He has become heavily odds on in the last few hours since betting shops closed. Firstly this says that he has been relatively heavily backed. I say relatively because next manager markets do not tend to attract big money. It is a small, limited market so whereas one person putting a grand on a horse isn't going to effect the market in general a similar next manager bet would. Secondly the timing of the betting suggests the people putting money on have internet accounts so are more serious gamblers. I also wonder if the strange timing of the bets has anything to do with possible information or rumours from a different time zone like the states? There is no particular rule of thumb for this though. I have seen managers backed in to heavily odds on a number of times and sometimes they end up being the man to get the job and sometimes they don't. It is  the difference between people knowing something and people thinking they know something and going off half cocked. The first sign you can really take seriously is when a number of firms stop accepting bets on a certain person, although even this is usually potential damage limitation and fear someone has insider knowledge as opposed to their own knowledge of an outcome.

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Re: Lambert's replacement
« Reply #1906 on: February 14, 2015, 04:06:24 AM »
I guess the ideal candidate is someone progressive who is pragmatic enough not to try to implement too many new ideas in the latter 1/3 of a season.

If I remember correctly, Houllier wanted to make several changes in our tactics/approach in his stint, but thought it was sensible to wait to the summer when he had more time (and different players).

I don't know enough about those supposedly available to know who might be such an ideal candidate. But if the club is thinking long-term I can't help but think that someone like Pulis or Sherwood would be a mistake. If we insist on hiring a Spurs reject, we might as well give Harry Redknapp a four-month contract and taxi him from London every day as we did with Robert Pires.

Offline Damo70

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Re: Lambert's replacement
« Reply #1907 on: February 14, 2015, 04:31:43 AM »
Sherwood, to his credit seemed to go for it in his time at Spurs rather than do the play it safe, keep things ticking over style. I think he might well shake us up and keep us up but long term he would obviously be a gamble due to his lack of managerial experience and having no track record over a reasonable period of time. I suspect the style that worked for him in the short term at Spurs might work for us in the short term too but I can see friction and fall outs and it all going wrong in the medium to long term.

Offline tomd2103

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Re: Lambert's replacement
« Reply #1908 on: February 14, 2015, 05:18:37 AM »
I guess the ideal candidate is someone progressive who is pragmatic enough not to try to implement too many new ideas in the latter 1/3 of a season.

If I remember correctly, Houllier wanted to make several changes in our tactics/approach in his stint, but thought it was sensible to wait to the summer when he had more time (and different players).

I don't know enough about those supposedly available to know who might be such an ideal candidate. But if the club is thinking long-term I can't help but think that someone like Pulis or Sherwood would be a mistake. If we insist on hiring a Spurs reject, we might as well give Harry Redknapp a four-month contract and taxi him from London every day as we did with Robert Pires.

How can the club be thinking long-term when it is currently for sale?  There seem to be mixed messages coming across here. 

Offline Trinitymiddle

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Re: Lambert's replacement
« Reply #1909 on: February 14, 2015, 06:02:19 AM »
1-16 with sone bookies. Thats a done deal.

As fir falling low. We hired McLeish. And paid compensation to That Lot. We became Small Time then.
He was pretty short at QPR too, but never got that job. Bookies dont know too much when it comes to new managers, especially at a club as secretive as the Villa.

Offline VillaSpen

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Re: If it is Sherwood !! let's get behind him
« Reply #1910 on: February 14, 2015, 06:19:10 AM »
I just don't get any of this. The timing of Paul Lambert's sacking makes no sense if all we're going to do is bring in this unlikeable sap. I'm now convinced that we're on our way down and what's most worrying is that the people who matter at the club evidently feel the same. This stinks.

Offline Matt C

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Re: Lambert's replacement
« Reply #1911 on: February 14, 2015, 07:37:01 AM »
Assuming it is Sherwood be very interested to see what the coaching team looks like.

Offline N'Rexy

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Re: Lambert's replacement
« Reply #1912 on: February 14, 2015, 07:37:58 AM »
Martin Jol on a 4 month deal heavily weighted to keeping us up. He is a good coach and the players look like they need that. He blew it at Fulham but they made us look competent at that particular timem

Offline robbo1874

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Re: Lambert's replacement
« Reply #1913 on: February 14, 2015, 07:54:31 AM »
Sherwood, to his credit seemed to go for it in his time at Spurs rather than do the play it safe, keep things ticking over style. I think he might well shake us up and keep us up but long term he would obviously be a gamble due to his lack of managerial experience and having no track record over a reasonable period of time. I suspect the style that worked for him in the short term at Spurs might work for us in the short term too but I can see friction and fall outs and it all going wrong in the medium to long term.
i think sherwood is probably the best short term 'keep us up' type manger we could get right now and I'd have him til the end of the season on that basis. Long term, maybe, but probably we could do a lot better in the summer and we should be honestly looking for better long term.

Online OzVilla

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Re: Lambert's replacement
« Reply #1914 on: February 14, 2015, 07:59:08 AM »
Martin Jol on a 4 month deal heavily weighted to keeping us up. He is a good coach and the players look like they need that. He blew it at Fulham but they made us look competent at that particular timem

My choice too. I think he ticks the most boxes for what's available.

 Also he's admitted he has a massive soft spot for us, I'm pretty sure he went to Rotterdam to the EC Final in 82. May have been at the Albion then.

Offline boboonthecorner

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Re: Lambert's replacement
« Reply #1915 on: February 14, 2015, 08:02:08 AM »
One thing is for certain, whoever we appoint there will be people who will stress, moan etc People get so wound up but there's nothing we can do about it, Lerner proved this when he appointed AM. If we go down this season it won't be Sherwoods fault.

Offline garyshawsknee

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Re: Lambert's replacement
« Reply #1916 on: February 14, 2015, 08:08:44 AM »
Sherwood, to his credit seemed to go for it in his time at Spurs rather than do the play it safe, keep things ticking over style. I think he might well shake us up and keep us up but long term he would obviously be a gamble due to his lack of managerial experience and having no track record over a reasonable period of time. I suspect the style that worked for him in the short term at Spurs might work for us in the short term too but I can see friction and fall outs and it all going wrong in the medium to long term.
i think sherwood is probably the best short term 'keep us up' type manger we could get right now and I'd have him til the end of the season on that basis. Long term, maybe, but probably we could do a lot better in the summer and we should be honestly looking for better long term.

My thoughts too,though if he keeps us up he would naturally get the job on a long term deal. He wouldn't be my man to rebuild us,but we aren't exactly in a strong position right now to entice someone who is on top of their game.

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Re: Lambert's replacement
« Reply #1917 on: February 14, 2015, 08:09:39 AM »
Assuming it is Sherwood be very interested to see what the coaching team looks like.


yes that will be interesting as Chris Ramsey and most of the other coaching staff he had at Spuds are at QPR until at least the end of the season.

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Re: Lambert's replacement
« Reply #1918 on: February 14, 2015, 08:13:15 AM »
1-16 with sone bookies. Thats a done deal.

As fir falling low. We hired McLeish. And paid compensation to That Lot. We became Small Time then.
He was pretty short at QPR too, but never got that job. Bookies dont know too much when it comes to new managers, especially at a club as secretive as the Villa.
1/16 is short but as Damo 70 said it reflects the fact that it is a small market. And didnt the bookies actually close the book on Moyes for Villa at one stage. Mind you i have a feeling it will be sherwood at this stGe

Offline Phil from the upper holte

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Re: Lambert's replacement
« Reply #1919 on: February 14, 2015, 08:13:20 AM »
Watch "Tim Sherwood lifts the lid on Spurs reign - Goals on Sunday" on YouTube - Tim Sherwood lifts the lid on Spurs reign - Goals on Sunday: http://youtu.be/foYXM3_yaR4

 


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