Lambert's replacement

[wozwebs]

@anthonypears09: Ugo Ehiogu who has worked with Sherwood, said he's authoritative knowledgeable and funny, that he could be a good choice for Villa.#avfc

[Holte L2]

I'm drunk but I've emailed Tom Fox asking him not to appoint Sherwood.

[mr woo]

Only this Aston Villa board could turn the elation I felt on Wednesday night into complete despair within 48 hours.

Go USA!

[boboonthecorner]

I stand corrected, amazing when you're reminiscing everything seems better than it was.....

[pauliewalnuts]

There has to have been more than Sherwood and fucking Soil Campbell that wanted the job. I really hope they know what they are doing if he is the man they hire.

But there's the problem - how attractive is the job at Aston Villa right now? The club's for sale by a uninterested owner, in the bottom three and with a squad that cannot be added to. While it's far from certain that the club will be in the Premier League next season, I think lots of good coaches will steer clear.

I think you're right, a lot will.

The problem i have is the suggestion that Sherwood is in any way qualified to keep us up, let alone manage us after that. I can't see anything that suggests he's going to be up to the first part of the job.

I was convinced we were going down until we got shot of Lambert. That, coming so late, leaves us a slim chance, but I honestly think right now, where we are, appointing Sherwood would be utterly brainless, and seal our fate.

Yeah, I think I'm with you on this. I suppose it will just be pure hope that he can motivate the squad enough to get themselves out of trouble. I actually think he might, but that's just hope, too.

After that, I reckon he'll be pretty poor. But who else is there?

If it becomes about who we can get now, I would leave Marshall and Marshall in charge till the end of the season, let alone choose other managers.

You mention motivating the squad, surely Sherwood's short spell at Spurs is mostly remembered for doing the absolute opposite.

Is it? Maybe. I just remember him having a pop at the team and then them winning a bunch of games.

Spurs who were in 6th place when he took over. It's a totally different situation to what we have now.

Do you think this sounds like what we need to squeeze performances out of the squad to keep them up?

Sherwood was very much looking out for number one. He would blame the team for losing because they did not show enough spirit. Most interestingly he did this after Spurs got obliterated by Chelsea, which happened in large part because he played Kyle Walker, who is a right back, in central midfield. He would also do things like make fun of our 22 year old record signing Erik Lamela for not speaking English. That would be 22 year old Argentine Erik Lamela who was clearly having trouble adjusting to England. .

or this

Sherwood regularly blamed his players for losses. He would play Nacer Chadli in central midfield and then complain that Spurs were conceding chances because the lads weren't showing enough heart and effort. He mocked Erik Lamela's injury problems. It was utterly maddening.

or this:

Tim tried to craft himself as a populist, arm-around-the-shoulder, up by the bootstraps kind of player's manager, but in truth he was one of the first to blame his own players when things didn't go well on the pitch. He talked incessantly about how Spurs lacked "grit" and "heart," both English football terrace buzz-words that were crafted to endear himself to the common fan in the stands, but had absolutely no meaning in the context of a football match. To be fair, he probably believed it himself, but he came across as as more of a "lad" and less of a tactically astute, intelligent manager. I think he saw himself as a media-savvy and friendly manager in the style of Redknapp, but his propensity to throw his own players under the bus didn't endear him to many fans (though in fairness it did appeal to a certain subset of Tottenham fandom, who love him to this day).

Moreover, it's pretty common knowledge now that before AVB left the club Sherwood was actively trying to undermine his credibility and position himself to succeed him as Tottenham's new manager. There are lots of accounts of back-stabbing, Machiavellian maneuvering, and cozying up with key figures in Spurs' front office. All of it is hearsay of course, but considering his behavior during and since his Tottenham tenure, it's not one I find particularly difficult to believe.

This is anecdotal, but don't forget, we're not just in need of someone who is "not a negative factor" on a team, we are looking for the complete opposite.

[McGraths Dry Cleaning]

Sherwood out!

[born.2.8.scum]

Sherwood out!

yes please

[peter w]

I think Sherwood is good as we realistically can get right now. i really don't think the club want a long-term appointment right now and may even wait until the summer contractually, or at least let Sherwood know that he is in charge but it will be re-assessed in the summer. For all the names bandied around very few would consider joining a tough fight at this point of the season wherever they may be managing right now.

Put aside what anyone may think of Sherwood now, if he is indeed confirmed, because he has every chance of us doing a Gregory when he come in. Sometimes it just clicks and we all know there is a team potentially in there. If he keeps us up and has done in it well then he will have deserved a chance of staying in charge for next season. If we are up and down and survive by the skin of our teeth I don't think he'll be in charge newt season. Then more other-employed managers will become interested. It could also go shit, but that's where we are now.

[Dave]

I'd take McLeish back over Sherwood.

In fact, I'd back David O'Leary to do better with this squad than Tim Sherwood.

[citizenDJ]

There has to have been more than Sherwood and fucking Soil Campbell that wanted the job. I really hope they know what they are doing if he is the man they hire.

But there's the problem - how attractive is the job at Aston Villa right now? The club's for sale by a uninterested owner, in the bottom three and with a squad that cannot be added to. While it's far from certain that the club will be in the Premier League next season, I think lots of good coaches will steer clear.

I think you're right, a lot will.

The problem i have is the suggestion that Sherwood is in any way qualified to keep us up, let alone manage us after that. I can't see anything that suggests he's going to be up to the first part of the job.

I was convinced we were going down until we got shot of Lambert. That, coming so late, leaves us a slim chance, but I honestly think right now, where we are, appointing Sherwood would be utterly brainless, and seal our fate.

Yeah, I think I'm with you on this. I suppose it will just be pure hope that he can motivate the squad enough to get themselves out of trouble. I actually think he might, but that's just hope, too.

After that, I reckon he'll be pretty poor. But who else is there?

If it becomes about who we can get now, I would leave Marshall and Marshall in charge till the end of the season, let alone choose other managers.

You mention motivating the squad, surely Sherwood's short spell at Spurs is mostly remembered for doing the absolute opposite.

Is it? Maybe. I just remember him having a pop at the team and then them winning a bunch of games.

Spurs who were in 6th place when he took over. It's a totally different situation to what we have now.

Do you think this sounds like what we need to squeeze performances out of the squad to keep them up?

Sherwood was very much looking out for number one. He would blame the team for losing because they did not show enough spirit. Most interestingly he did this after Spurs got obliterated by Chelsea, which happened in large part because he played Kyle Walker, who is a right back, in central midfield. He would also do things like make fun of our 22 year old record signing Erik Lamela for not speaking English. That would be 22 year old Argentine Erik Lamela who was clearly having trouble adjusting to England. .

or this

Sherwood regularly blamed his players for losses. He would play Nacer Chadli in central midfield and then complain that Spurs were conceding chances because the lads weren't showing enough heart and effort. He mocked Erik Lamela's injury problems. It was utterly maddening.

or this:

Tim tried to craft himself as a populist, arm-around-the-shoulder, up by the bootstraps kind of player's manager, but in truth he was one of the first to blame his own players when things didn't go well on the pitch. He talked incessantly about how Spurs lacked "grit" and "heart," both English football terrace buzz-words that were crafted to endear himself to the common fan in the stands, but had absolutely no meaning in the context of a football match. To be fair, he probably believed it himself, but he came across as as more of a "lad" and less of a tactically astute, intelligent manager. I think he saw himself as a media-savvy and friendly manager in the style of Redknapp, but his propensity to throw his own players under the bus didn't endear him to many fans (though in fairness it did appeal to a certain subset of Tottenham fandom, who love him to this day).

Moreover, it's pretty common knowledge now that before AVB left the club Sherwood was actively trying to undermine his credibility and position himself to succeed him as Tottenham's new manager. There are lots of accounts of back-stabbing, Machiavellian maneuvering, and cozying up with key figures in Spurs' front office. All of it is hearsay of course, but considering his behavior during and since his Tottenham tenure, it's not one I find particularly difficult to believe.

This is anecdotal, but don't forget, we're not just in need of someone who is "not a negative factor" on a team, we are looking for the complete opposite.

No, it doesn't at all. I read the article and was just as worried as you are. I had no recollection of Walker in midfield, or Chadli as a holding midfielder either. Sounds fairly mad.

But regardless of where Spurs were, he did OK with them. He may have pissed off a group of players, but he also appealed to some of them, too.

I dunno. I think he's a prat, to be honest, and I'll hardly be overjoyed with his appointment, should it happen, but as I said, he might just be the tallest dwarf.

Edit: A quick look here suggest Walker played right wing in that game, not centre-midfield http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/jose-mourinho-was-delighted-kyle-walker-played-in-midfield-for-spurs-at-chelsea/

And this match report seems to think it wasn't too outlandish http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1985843-sherwoods-changes-undone-by-mistakes-and-lack-of-heart-as-spurs-lose-to-chelsea

[Rotterdam Vetran]

Wouldn't be my choice but he knows the current premiership.We wanted the change and we got. We didn't want The wally with the Brolly!He Would have been far better than Lambert as it turns out.So if it is Sherwood give him the benefit of the doubt .Who ever it is needs all the support he can get.Come you Lions

[dave.woodhall]

I've never given a fuck what a Spurs fan thinks and I don't intend to start now.

[pauliewalnuts]

I've never given a fuck what a Spurs fan thinks and I don't intend to start now.

Neither do I, usually, but when my fears about a manager are confirmed by someone who has spent a lot more time watching him at work than I have, I worry.

[pauliewalnuts]

Edit: A quick look here suggest Walker played right wing in that game, not centre-midfield http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/jose-mourinho-was-delighted-kyle-walker-played-in-midfield-for-spurs-at-chelsea/

It certainly seems to have impressed Mourinho:

And, The Special One had an intriguing critique of Tim Sherwood’s tactics – wondering why Kyle Walker played right wing.

Mourinho makes the comments around the 2:25 mark on the video above: “For us it was very good Walker played right winger because when he plays right back I have to control it in a different way. And I have to give a defensive job to my left winger. When Walker plays against Azpilicueta, he was in the pocket! Was good for us!”

[Phil from the upper holte]

I'd take McLeish back over Sherwood.

In fact, I'd back David O'Leary to do better with this squad than Tim Sherwood.

Really?