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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on May 25, 2025, 07:29:40 PM
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Feyenoord and Porto so we can add to our list of European Champions played, please.
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Let’s pick out who we’re going to surprisingly bomb out too in the latter stages - I go with, Nice. That’ll have some symmetry.
Sorry pissed off right now, I’ll mellow.
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Trying to be positive here. We missed out on CL again on goal difference, while making the CL QF and FA Cup SF. Hopefully the Europa League will be slightly less of a strain on the squad, and we'll finish higher in the league than we did this season.
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Let’s pick out who we’re going to surprisingly bomb out too in the latter stages - I go with, Nice. That’ll have some symmetry.
Sorry pissed off right now, I’ll mellow.
It’ll be to Palace in the Final, obviously.
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The evidence based on how this season's English qualifiers finished doesn't suggest it will serve as a boost to our league position, though.
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Let’s pick out who we’re going to surprisingly bomb out too in the latter stages - I go with, Nice. That’ll have some symmetry.
Sorry pissed off right now, I’ll mellow.
It’ll be to Palace in the Final, obviously.
Of course, and we’ll set up as we always do.
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I assume we'll play Go Ahead Eagles, and lose.
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Tottenham and Man Utd are shit anyway. You can definitely get to the later stages without going full pelt and needing a squad as deep as the CL. We will still lose to someone like Zagreb though in a calamitous away performance.
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Oh FFS, not more bloody Eagles.
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Legia Warsaw hovering in pot 3…..
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At least we have a good record against Celta Vigo.
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Looking at a lot of those teams, if we don’t get to the final then it has to be a huge failure.
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Let’s pick out who we’re going to surprisingly bomb out too in the latter stages - I go with, Nice. That’ll have some symmetry.
Last minute Morgan Sanson winner.
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Midtjylland feel like a nice 90s Villa defeat type team.
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Realised we played them before.
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Anderlecht in the semis please.
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Looks winnable based on those sides. Provided we avoid Palace of course.
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Juventus have just dropped into the Europa League... still only in the first half though so they could still end up in either of the other two competitions.
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Assume we can't get drawn against Palace in the league phase, so the next worst thing would be Go Ahead Eagles.
Not sure what Turkish teams are in it yet, the final is in Istanbul.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025%E2%80%9326_UEFA_Europa_League
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There are an absurd amount of assumptions in this. Only the teams with ticks will definitely be in the league phase.
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Yeah, it's more complicated trying to work out potential opponents than it was this season, as you need to keep an eye on two different competitions.
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Well let’s hope Unai can win Europa League number 5.
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Juventus winning so Roma back in the Europa League.
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WMP would probably prefer if we didn't draw Rangers, Maccabi Tel Aviv, Legia Warsaw and Utrecht at home.
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WMP would probably prefer if we didn't draw Rangers, Maccabi Tel Aviv, Legia Warsaw and Utrecht at home.
Especially not all at the same time.
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After all, last year it was Conference L (semis), this year CL (qf) and then it is logic that next year will be EL (reaching the final (should be the target)).
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Along with the fa cup it's another competition I've never seen us win so its a chance to add another trophy to the set.
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Another semi-final defeat to Palace beckons
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Anyone know if the FA Cup final is being played the weekend before the Europa final next season?
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Another semi-final defeat to Palace beckons
Assuming Palace qualify as they have shit starts to the season normally. This season they were on 9 points after 13 games.
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Anyone know if the FA Cup final is being played the weekend before the Europa final next season?
I think so, most sites online suggest 16th and 20th May, respectively.
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EuroCelta are back! Vigo'98 were the best.
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That is going to be tough for us next season then as I assume the moved league match will be the Tuesday/Wednesday before the FA Cup final so will have to play 5 matches in two weeks.
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All over in Serie A. Juventus won in the end to take the final Champions League spot, so Roma take a Europa League place, along with cup winners Bologna.
I reckon it will be between Villa and Roma for who starts the tournament as favourites.
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Palace should just by virtue of the fact they have our number.
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I think we are more likely to win the tournament if we don't meet, they're more likely to win it if we do. Hopefully some of their stars fuck off for pastures new in the summer.
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Sadly this competition has been discredited by this years finalists,.
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Palace are going to find their resources stretched being in a 4th competition. Of course if they find a way to get through the group stage and play us…well you know the rest.
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Let’s hope the home ticketing pricing is a tad less painful than this year’s ECL.
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Don’t fancy a visit from Rangers again
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Off the top of my head, can't really remember too many problems with their supporters at English away games in recent years. They acted like twats in Manchester when they made a final, but there were at least ten times as many of them there as there would be at Villa Park. Legia another issue. I hope we'd deny them any tickets and UEFA wouldn't stand in our way.
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Moving onto more positive thoughts - if we tweak the squad well, we can balance our league campaign better in the front end, and there are some fun potential games there.
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Legia Warsaw have four qualifying rounds to get through. Which seems unlikely.
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Moving onto more positive thoughts - if we tweak the squad well, we can balance our league campaign better in the front end, and there are some fun potential games there.
This was my take on Europa League too. I don't think we'll go as far as Chelsea and leave top players out of the European squad, but we should be able to use some players a little less, and maybe even bring in some of the younger players at times, build up their experience and playing time.
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I think Chelsea have a lot more young players who are pretty close to being first team standard already. Even though we won the youth "treble" this year, I feel that our youngsters are mostly a loan or two away from being good enough to be options against decent European opposition.
We ran out of legs last year. If you take Disasi, Rashford and Asensio out of our current squad, it isn't much stronger than it was then. So whether we will have a strong enough squad to compete on all fronts will likely depend on how many players we are able to (re-)sign.
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Moving onto more positive thoughts - if we tweak the squad well, we can balance our league campaign better in the front end, and there are some fun potential games there.
This was my take on Europa League too. I don't think we'll go as far as Chelsea and leave top players out of the European squad, but we should be able to use some players a little less, and maybe even bring in some of the younger players at times, build up their experience and playing time.
All well and good but there’s still some decent teams in there and it’s not something UE has done too much in the past.
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Again, not saying do a Chelsea on it, but maybe the likes of Barkley or Ramsey gets a full 90 midweek while Tielemans or Rogers gets a day off. Some of the squad played an awful lot of football this season, arguably unnecessarily. You'd like to think we're not fielding the same team against the likes of SK Sigma Olomouc as we would have against Bayern Munich, for example.
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Yeah, sure. That seems entirely sensible.
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Funny how the Europa League feels like the Zenith Data Systems Cup this evening.
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Could be worse, I suppose. Thank fuck Wood decided to twat one over the bar with minutes left of the Forest game today.
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Our youths won three comps?! Wow, go on da boiz.
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Funny how the Europa League feels like the Zenith Data Systems Cup this evening.
Understandable really, with all the European trophies we've won.
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All over in Serie A. Juventus won in the end to take the final Champions League spot, so Roma take a Europa League place, along with cup winners Bologna.
I reckon it will be between Villa and Roma for who starts the tournament as favourites.
Lille will be tough too.
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French League (except for PSG) is in shit due to a TV deal falling through, I think. Maybe they'll be forced to sell players.
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Same as this season. Finish top 8, bypass last 32 and see who's left when we come into the last 16 in the March.
We can't be deriding Man. United/Spurs and then claiming this competition is beyond us with endless amazing teams.
Got to be looking to win this.
If someone streetwise could knock out Palace before we get to the last 16 then that would be ideal!
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French League (except for PSG) is in shit due to a TV deal falling through, I think. Maybe they'll be forced to sell players.
And losing two of their best players (David and Gomes) for nothing isn't going to help them rebuild much either.
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Too soon. Raw
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Same as this season. Finish top 8, bypass last 32 and see who's left when we come into the last 16 in the March.
We can't be deriding Man. United/Spurs and then claiming this competition is beyond us with endless amazing teams.
Got to be looking to win this.
If someone streetwise could knock out Palace before we get to the last 16 then that would be ideal!
Please God/Allah/Brahma/Zeus/Baal/Ahura Mazda/Ra/Jove/Huitzilopochtli and all the lads, let someone (preferably foreign and not in the Europa League) sign Eze and Sarr this summer so we might actually have a chance against the bastards.
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Same as this season. Finish top 8, bypass last 32 and see who's left when we come into the last 16 in the March.
We can't be deriding Man. United/Spurs and then claiming this competition is beyond us with endless amazing teams.
Got to be looking to win this.
If someone streetwise could knock out Palace before we get to the last 16 then that would be ideal!
Please God/Allah/Brahma/Zeus/Baal/Ahura Mazda/Ra/Jove/Huitzilopochtli and all the lads, let someone (preferably foreign and not in the Europa League) sign Eze and Sarr this summer so we might actually have a chance against the bastards.
And Mateta, just to be safe.
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Same as this season. Finish top 8, bypass last 32 and see who's left when we come into the last 16 in the March.
We can't be deriding Man. United/Spurs and then claiming this competition is beyond us with endless amazing teams.
Got to be looking to win this.
If someone streetwise could knock out Palace before we get to the last 16 then that would be ideal!
Please God/Allah/Brahma/Zeus/Baal/Ahura Mazda/Ra/Jove/Huitzilopochtli and all the lads, let someone (preferably foreign and not in the Europa League) sign Eze and Sarr this summer so we might actually have a chance against the bastards.
And Mateta, just to be safe.
Good idea. We might need Odin on the case, too.
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Win it or get someone else in Villa - especially if we lose to Palace again!
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Don't talk pish.
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Europe 3 years in a row - unimaginable just a few short years ago. .
Europa league is fine, we should embrace it and do our darnedest to win it and go for top 4 again.
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Looking at the Europa League sides there’s nothing scary in there. Other than Crystal Palace and Aston Villa on a big occasion.
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Same as this season. Finish top 8, bypass last 32 and see who's left when we come into the last 16 in the March.
We can't be deriding Man. United/Spurs and then claiming this competition is beyond us with endless amazing teams.
Got to be looking to win this.
If someone streetwise could knock out Palace before we get to the last 16 then that would be ideal!
Please God/Allah/Brahma/Zeus/Baal/Ahura Mazda/Ra/Jove/Huitzilopochtli and all the lads, let someone (preferably foreign and not in the Europa League) sign Eze and Sarr this summer so we might actually have a chance against the bastards.
And Mateta, just to be safe.
Wouldn't mind seeing us take Mateta tbh.
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WMP would probably prefer if we didn't draw Rangers, Maccabi Tel Aviv, Legia Warsaw and Utrecht at home.
Battle of the condiments 2.0
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Palace are going to find their resources stretched being in a 4th competition. Of course if they find a way to get through the group stage and play us…well you know the rest.
Well it depends if they outscore us more at Selhurst then we do against them at Villa Park.
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Imagine we will take it pretty seriously. As well as an important competition, it's another route into the Champion's League.
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It's a great way to blood younger players, like he did at Arsenal with Saka and Martinelli. Given that we need to lower the wage to turnover ratio to comply with Uefa rules, it makes sense to bring in players like Nypan and Cherki.
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Can’t wait tbh. Will miss the first two match days as I’m away in the US but can’t wait to get the planning boots on for travel and hotels again. Watching the seeding pots fill up with some good names over the next few days/weeks should bring some excitement to the summer as well. Onwards….
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I genuinely think the only that can beat Aston Villa in the Europa League is Aston Villa.
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Europa is better, by a good way, than Conference. So I'm happy we got this at least, and it's another chance to qualify for the CL, which is where we really ought to be.
This isn't a competition for 'going far' in though, it's something we need to win.
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Booked hotel room in Istanbul already. Anyone else?
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Best book an appointment with a carpet factory while you're there. Their rugs are to die for.
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Booked hotel room in Istanbul already. Anyone else?
Not yet. Are prices much above average for the final dates? For those that have been, where should be looking at staying?
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Booked hotel room in Istanbul already. Anyone else?
Not yet. Are prices much above average for the final dates? For those that have been, where should be looking at staying?
Constantinople.
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Let’s call the whole thing off!
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Typical the one year we qualify for this it's the season when the final is being played at a smaller ground than the Conference League final...
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Booked hotel room in Istanbul already. Anyone else?
No Paulie, don’t fancy watching Viking Stavanger v Azerbaijani United in the final.
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Best book an appointment with a carpet factory while you're there. Their rugs are to die for.
Teeth whitening? Hair transplants anyone?
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Not yet. Are prices much above average for the final dates? For those that have been, where should be looking at staying?
I visited last year and got a bestiktas game in, stayed in taxsim and walked to the stadium
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I see Celta Vigo and Real Betis are the Spanish representatives. I they are in it every time we qualify.
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Two words.
Crystal Palace. .
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Booked hotel room in Istanbul already. Anyone else?
Yes. In the Besiktas area, near the stadium.
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Two words.
Crystal Palace. .
Extra words. Lots of other teams, and HOME and away legs.
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Europa is better, by a good way, than Conference. So I'm happy we got this at least, and it's another chance to qualify for the CL, which is where we really ought to be.
This isn't a competition for 'going far' in though, it's something we need to win.
I think it's a competition where we can field an almost second string side for many of the games, particularly in the league stage. That means we can really prioritise the Premier League and pushing to get back into those Champions League places.
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Europa is better, by a good way, than Conference. So I'm happy we got this at least, and it's another chance to qualify for the CL, which is where we really ought to be.
This isn't a competition for 'going far' in though, it's something we need to win.
I think it's a competition where we can field an almost second string side for many of the games, particularly in the league stage. That means we can really prioritise the Premier League and pushing to get back into those Champions League places.
Or take the Spurs route into CL football. Doesn't matter where we finish, as long as we win the Europa!
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Now teams getting eliminated from the Champions league to the Europa league no longer exists, this should be a lot easier to win. Under the previous rules no way would Spurs have won it.
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It's absolutely true it is an easier competition to win than the Champions' League but that doesn't mean that it's a cakewalk. Great to have another potential route to CL qualification though.
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Now teams getting eliminated from the Champions league to the Europa league no longer exists, this should be a lot easier to win. Under the previous rules no way would Spurs have won it.
The rejigged format means the CL has eight extra teams, I think, so the overall quality is reduced too.
All Sunday games are now televised, so with Thursday/Sunday football we will get more £900k lumps from Sky/TNT for each game.
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In our last two semi final appearances, Conference League and FA Cup, we have had our arses handed to us on a plate...so not overly confident of a trip to Istanbul if I'm honest.
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I assume we'll play Go Ahead Eagles, and lose.
Doubt we would lose to Go Ahead, they are not very good. Hope we do play them, as Deventer is only 15 minutes drive from my Dutch office. I follow Zwolle as my Dutch team, so not a fan of Go Ahead.
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I assume we'll play Go Ahead Eagles, and lose.
Doubt we would lose to Go Ahead, they are not very good. Hope we do play them, as Deventer is only 15 minutes drive from my Dutch office. I follow Zwolle as my Dutch team, so not a fan of Go Ahead.
Eagles.
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I assume we'll play Go Ahead Eagles, and lose.
Doubt we would lose to Go Ahead, they are not very good. Hope we do play them, as Deventer is only 15 minutes drive from my Dutch office. I follow Zwolle as my Dutch team, so not a fan of Go Ahead.
They have the same name as the Palace nick-name.
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Now teams getting eliminated from the Champions league to the Europa league no longer exists, this should be a lot easier to win. Under the previous rules no way would Spurs have won it.
The rejigged format means the CL has eight extra teams, I think, so the overall quality is reduced too.
All Sunday games are now televised, so with Thursday/Sunday football we will get more £900k lumps from Sky/TNT for each game.
My Missus will be thrilled about all our extra TV games.
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Now teams getting eliminated from the Champions league to the Europa league no longer exists, this should be a lot easier to win. Under the previous rules no way would Spurs have won it.
Only 8 times has a CL drop out won the Europa in 20 odd years. I suspect normally those teams have either not been good enough, or had a high league position anyway so didn't need to push for Europa win for CL qualification
The rejigged format means the CL has eight extra teams, I think, so the overall quality is reduced too.
All Sunday games are now televised, so with Thursday/Sunday football we will get more £900k lumps from Sky/TNT for each game.
Are they? Not seen that anywhere in announcements when checking. Noticed more midweek matches and Friday matches announced plus all games on the final day.
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At least Rapid Vienna aren't in this .
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Now teams getting eliminated from the Champions league to the Europa league no longer exists, this should be a lot easier to win. Under the previous rules no way would Spurs have won it.
Only 8 times has a CL drop out won the Europa in 20 odd years. I suspect normally those teams have either not been good enough, or had a high league position anyway so didn't need to push for Europa win for CL qualification
The rejigged format means the CL has eight extra teams, I think, so the overall quality is reduced too.
All Sunday games are now televised, so with Thursday/Sunday football we will get more £900k lumps from Sky/TNT for each game.
Are they? Not seen that anywhere in announcements when checking. Noticed more midweek matches and Friday matches announced plus all games on the final day.
Only 40%? That's really high isn't it?
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Now teams getting eliminated from the Champions league to the Europa league no longer exists, this should be a lot easier to win. Under the previous rules no way would Spurs have won it.
Only 8 times has a CL drop out won the Europa in 20 odd years. I suspect normally those teams have either not been good enough, or had a high league position anyway so didn't need to push for Europa win for CL qualification
Only 40%? That's really high isn't it?
Well it is less then that as it was 8 out of 25. But just stating the odds were not in favour of someone dropping down and stopping Spurs or Manure from reaching the final. Obviously the chance is now 0 of someone dropping down midway through from the CL so even better for us.
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At least Rapid Vienna aren't in this .
Unfortunately Crystal Bastard Palace are.
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At least Rapid Vienna aren't in this .
Unfortunately Crystal Bastard Palace are.
Wherever we go, we.......... :'(
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At least Rapid Vienna aren't in this .
😃 I was just thinking the same thing! Am I right in thinking Forest will end up in this competition if Chelsea win tomorrow?
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Forest are already in the conference. The question seemed to be whether 8th would get a position if Chelsea won but only if they finished outside the CL places. So no, no changes whatever happens tomorrow in the Final.
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At least Rapid Vienna aren't in this .
Unfortunately Crystal Bastard Palace are.
Wherevewr we go, we.......... :'(
At least Rapid Vienna aren't in this .
Unfortunately Crystal Bastard Palace are.
Wherever we go, we.......... :'(
Ironically, if we play them in the final Istanbul will be easier to get to than Selhurst Park.
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Forest are already in the conference. The question seemed to be whether 8th would get a position if Chelsea won but only if they finished outside the CL places. So no, no changes whatever happens tomorrow in the Final.
At least Forest fans can wholeheartedly support Betis in the Final then, a small crumb of comfort.
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Forest are already in the conference. The question seemed to be whether 8th would get a position if Chelsea won but only if they finished outside the CL places. So no, no changes whatever happens tomorrow in the Final.
At least Forest fans can wholeheartedly support Betis in the Final then, a small crumb of comfort.
We are all Betis tomorrow night.
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Midtjylland feel like a nice 90s Villa defeat type team.
Yes in a sort of Banik Ostrava type way. Edit...we beat them.
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Now teams getting eliminated from the Champions league to the Europa league no longer exists, this should be a lot easier to win. Under the previous rules no way would Spurs have won it.
Only 8 times has a CL drop out won the Europa in 20 odd years. I suspect normally those teams have either not been good enough, or had a high league position anyway so didn't need to push for Europa win for CL qualification
The rejigged format means the CL has eight extra teams, I think, so the overall quality is reduced too.
All Sunday games are now televised, so with Thursday/Sunday football we will get more £900k lumps from Sky/TNT for each game.
Are they? Not seen that anywhere in announcements when checking. Noticed more midweek matches and Friday matches announced plus all games on the final day.
https://www.premierleague.com/news/3807882
They have the ability to show 'multiple' or the 'majority' of Sunday 1400 kick-off games, so there's a good chance we'll be shown in some shape or form more than not.
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I think it is that line that is key.
For the first time in the UK, all matches taking place outside of the Saturday 3pm "closed period", including those displaced to Sunday 2pm because of club participation in European competitions, will be broadcast live.
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Sky's adverts have focussed on there being 215 live games next year but I think their marketing department missed a trick. It's just a big number, and we're used to hearing that sort of thing every time there's a new deal coming in.
It sounds more impressive you think there must be 380 games a season. And there's even more context when you know that's 56% of all league games.
But it means more when you know that for each matchday weekend, they'll be showing 5 or 6 of the possible 10 games.
And that's just Sky. There will probably only be 3 Saturday 3pm games that aren't televised most weekends.
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Sky's adverts have focussed on there being 215 live games next year but I think their marketing department missed a trick.
By not having more Villa in it.
*If it's the same ad I'm thinking of.
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I don't even remember anything they showed in the ad other than their big claim about the number of games they're showing.
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Forest are already in the conference. The question seemed to be whether 8th would get a position if Chelsea won but only if they finished outside the CL places. So no, no changes whatever happens tomorrow in the Final.
At least Forest fans can wholeheartedly support Betis in the Final then, a small crumb of comfort.
We are all Betis tomorrow night.
We are all bourgeois now (McCarthy*, 1986)
*Not Mick, he's a thick fucker from Barnsley as Roy Keane might have put it.
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Now the dust has settled, I'm actually more than OK with us playing in the Europa League. Let's be realistic, we aren't going to win the Champions League, but this is a trophy we can and probably should win on paper based on the teams that are in it. Having said that, we need to be competing for those top 4 spots each season now. That's the standard we have set ourselves and to not be competitive in each competition should be seen as falling short.
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I know the potential to win a trophy is nice, but the CL is the only place to be.
The prestige, the kudos, the occasion of every single game.
And as someone said about the CL, the first season in it is for the benefit of the fans, subsequent years are for the benefit of the club.
I’ll miss it.
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Now the dust has settled, I'm actually more than OK with us playing in the Europa League. Let's be realistic, we aren't going to win the Champions League, but this is a trophy we can and probably should win on paper based on the teams that are in it. Having said that, we need to be competing for those top 4 spots each season now. That's the standard we have set ourselves and to not be competitive in each competition should be seen as falling short.
I think the Europa League gives us the opportunity to have a shot at winning it without having to field a full strength side in every game. Means we can really prioritise the Premier League and try and finish in the top 4/5.
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Now the dust has settled, I'm actually more than OK with us playing in the Europa League. Let's be realistic, we aren't going to win the Champions League, but this is a trophy we can and probably should win on paper based on the teams that are in it. Having said that, we need to be competing for those top 4 spots each season now. That's the standard we have set ourselves and to not be competitive in each competition should be seen as falling short.
I think the Europa League gives us the opportunity to have a shot at winning it without having to field a full strength side in every game. Means we can really prioritise the Premier League and try and finish in the top 4/5.
Exactly. Keeping players fit would be nice too….fewer long-term injuries is crucial.
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Midtjylland feel like a nice 90s Villa defeat type team.
Yes in a sort of Banik Ostrava type way. Edit...we beat them.
Trabzonspor and Helsingborgs were our epic (away goals) fails in the 90s.
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Midtjylland feel like a nice 90s Villa defeat type team.
Yes in a sort of Banik Ostrava type way. Edit...we beat them.
Trabzonspor and Helsingborgs were our epic (away goals) fails in the 90s.
You missed out Varteks which was even worse.
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Midtjylland feel like a nice 90s Villa defeat type team.
Yes in a sort of Banik Ostrava type way. Edit...we beat them.
Trabzonspor and Helsingborgs were our epic (away goals) fails in the 90s.
You missed out Varteks which was even worse.
In the 00s but definitely of the same ilk. We beat better quality teams to win the Intertoto.
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I got fed up with losing to sides I had never heard of.
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Varteks had a row of Leylandia behind one of the goals
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Midtjylland feel like a nice 90s Villa defeat type team.
Yes in a sort of Banik Ostrava type way. Edit...we beat them.
Trabzonspor and Helsingborgs were our epic (away goals) fails in the 90s.
You missed out Varteks which was even worse.
In the 00s but definitely of the same ilk. We beat better quality teams to win the Intertoto.
Sorry missed the 90s reference. I remember my now ex wife having to come into the room to stop me swearing at the TV watching that Varteks away performance. It was an absolute disgrace. I’d just about forgiven Gregory for the Atleti Qtr final performance and then he served that up.
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In the early 70s, Bristol Rovers had a bed of flowers behind each goal at Eastville.
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Midtjylland feel like a nice 90s Villa defeat type team.
Yes in a sort of Banik Ostrava type way. Edit...we beat them.
Trabzonspor and Helsingborgs were our epic (away goals) fails in the 90s.
Falling to Trabzonspor after the epic against Inter Milan was so Aston Villa.
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In the early 70s, Bristol Rovers had a bed of flowers behind each goal at Eastville.
Kents Canterbury ground had a Lime tree within the boundary rope until it blew down in 2005.
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(https://i.ibb.co/wNpdWqnm/Old-Lime-Tree-fallen-Spitfire-Ground-Kent-Cricket.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wNpdWqnm)
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https://www.kentcricket.co.uk/news/kent-crickets-lime-tree-legend/
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I used to like that. They had to have it especially written into the rules that it was four if it hit the tree at Canterbury. I like weird quirks like that. I'm also a fan of that Portuguese ground where one of the ends is a quarry (Braga?).
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Dinamo Zagreb confirmed in league stage. They took Conference League winners spot by virtue of having highest UEFA coefficient out of teams in qualifiers.
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Samsunspor are in the playoff round having scored twice in injury time to win 2-1. Besiktas enter in the first qualifying round.
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I think that's all the qualifiers confirmed now (excluding the teams that drop from Champions League qualifying rounds).
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I visited St Lawrence's ground once just to see the old tree in 2001. I am so glad that a replacement tree was planted in 2005.
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Aye, 11 from CL qualifiers, 12 from EL qualifiers so we're going to be none the wiser for some time.
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Long shot, but the first round proper is over two days, the 24 or 25 September.
Anyone know how the dates are chosen? Looking to do a long weekend away arranged around a Thursday game (25th) so a clue on who has a 50/50 chance of playing that day would be great.
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I don't think we know anything.
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At least it wasn't that pair of cvnts who chainsaw'd down the famous Sycamore Gap tree at Hadrian's Wall.
If it was Mother Nature herself, well, you just gotta let her do her thing, I guess.
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Looking to do a long weekend away arranged around a Thursday game (25th) so a clue on who has a 50/50 chance of playing that day would be great.
The draw's on Aug. 29th so we'll know then. That still gives you almost 4 weeks to book something nice.
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Looking to do a long weekend away arranged around a Thursday game (25th) so a clue on who has a 50/50 chance of playing that day would be great.
The draw's on Aug. 29th so we'll know then. That still gives you almost 4 weeks to book something nice.
Sorry to be that pedantic twat but didn’t we find out the day afterwards what order and where we played our games? Or was it that evening?
That said as BV says you’ll have about 4 weeks to do something. I’m hoping for 2 really shit games for the first two match days as I’m in the US.
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On the day of the draw we knew who we were playing, it was the next day that we knew times due to security induced changes.
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Is it true that we've been fucked into Pot 2 so we're not a top seed?
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We don't know yet. There will be nine top seeds. Five teams that are definitely in the League Stage are ranked above us. If fewer than four more teams that are seeded above us end up in the League Stage, either by progressing from the Europa League Qualifiers or dropping from the Champions League Qualifiers, we will be top seeds. If four or more better-ranked teams qualify, we will be among the second seeds. Not that it really matters. We still play two teams from each seeding pot, anyway.
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Yep we were in pot 4 in the Champs League and it didn’t seem to do us much harm.
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All seeding is in the current competition is a method of sorting. You are no more likely to get a harder draw in any of the pots. Also, any "projected seedings" are bullshit at this stage. Nearly 2/3rds of our potential opponents aren't known yet so they're just guessing.
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For anyone who wants to check, we are 45th at the moment.
https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/club/?year=2025
Of the teams above us, most are guaranteed CL or aren't in Europe at all. Some will be dropping in qualifiers.
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All seeding is in the current competition is a method of sorting. You are no more likely to get a harder draw in any of the pots. Also, any "projected seedings" are bullshit at this stage. Nearly 2/3rds of our potential opponents aren't known yet so they're just guessing.
Yeah, you're getting 2 clubs from each of the brackets anyway so there's no disadvantage to being seeded lower. I can't think of a way you could game having an artificially higher/lower seeding either, really - it's as likely to work against you as it is to go in your favour.
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I think the Europa League is a decent tournament and a proper trophy if we manage to win it.
Gutted we didn't make the CL, but hopefully the players will see it as an opportunity.
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It gives us two paths into the CL also. Shit as it is to miss out next season we can get back into it.
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It will feel like after the Lord Mayors show.
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It will feel like after the Lord Mayors show.
It depends how we do in the domestic league to some extent. Had spurs finished 3rd or 4th and won the europa it would be one of their best ever seasons.
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It will feel like after the Lord Mayors show.
It depends how we do in the domestic league to some extent. Had spurs finished 3rd or 4th and won the europa it would be one of their best ever seasons.
The respective league positions of the finalists significantly undermines the prestige of this competition.
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Apart from the loss of CL revenue, I'm looking forward to the Europa League because we have a good chance of winning it. We need to win a cup and then move forward, hopefully using that experience in the Champions League.
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It will feel like after the Lord Mayors show.
It depends how we do in the domestic league to some extent. Had spurs finished 3rd or 4th and won the europa it would be one of their best ever seasons.
The respective league positions of the finalists significantly undermines the prestige of this competition.
Does it really matter where they are in the league? They qualified by their league position but once you’re in it, you’re in it. I think people are conflating their distaste for all things Man U and Spuds with distaste for the secondary UEFA competition which is on a par with the FA Cup which was won by Crystal Sodding Palace who finished <checks notes> 12th.
I just don’t get the sniffy attitude of so many on here to European Qualification. It should be the bare minimum we accept for a club of our size.
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1 final, 2 semi finals, 5 quarter finals. 1 trophy. Not a record that speaks to a snobbish attitude to Europe.
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1 final, 2 semi finals, 5 quarter finals. 1 trophy. Not a record that speaks to a snobbish attitude to Europe.
I agree that it’s pretty meagre fare Ads but since Emery arrived there’s been a distinct undercurrent on here of “we can’t be doing with this Europe nonsense”, “it’s a distraction we don’t need”, “focus on something else” etc etc. if we’re aiming to be the club we want us to be then qualifying for Europe each season is one of the benchmarks I’d put on us achieving each season.
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The only thing that bothers me is we were one of the favourites for the Conference League, even more so after West Ham won it and it’ll be the same in next seasons Europa especially with our managers record. Can we live up to the expectations?!
I’d obviously rather be in the biggie but I’m quite looking forward to it.
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It will feel like after the Lord Mayors show.
It depends how we do in the domestic league to some extent. Had spurs finished 3rd or 4th and won the europa it would be one of their best ever seasons.
The respective league positions of the finalists significantly undermines the prestige of this competition.
You're right, the European Cup was a pointless trophy when we entered it. Forest only finished 7th in the league when they won it. And 12th the season after.
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Here's a question, would you accept a season like Spurs had just had? I.e. win the Europa League but finish 17th?
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Yep. I wonder if Unai would still be here for the final if we did, though.
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The only thing that bothers me is we were one of the favourites for the Conference League, even more so after West Ham won it and it’ll be the same in next seasons Europa especially with our managers record. Can we live up to the expectations?!
I’d obviously rather be in the biggie but I’m quite looking forward to it.
I suspect if we had concentrated on one competition (Conference) at the expense of the league, we would have won it. But as we had the opportunity of 3rd/ 4th and a solid try at the league win up until Jan, the expenditure of energy cost us in Europe and almost in the league as well.
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Here's a question, would you accept a season like Spurs had just had? I.e. win the Europa League but finish 17th?
Yes.
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Here's a question, would you accept a season like Spurs had just had? I.e. win the Europa League but finish 17th?
No, the league form would have too much of an impact on Unai and 'the project'.
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No agreed - 17th would be utterly unacceptable, and it should be for Spurs.
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Financially, qualifying for and playing in the CL is regarded as a more successful season than winning the Europa.
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Financially, qualifying for and playing in the CL is regarded as a more successful season than winning the Europa.
Fair point but you don't get a trophy for finances. If we could win the Europa Cup it would be massive. It would smash that glass ceiling that seems to be affecting our players and hopefully push us on to the next level. Winning breeds winners.
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I don’t think it does if you completely fail in the league at the same time. If you perform well in the league AND win the Europa league then absolutely.
Also, can you imagine how awful the feeling around the club would be if we were getting turned over every week? Spurs got lucky they were the least bad team, but it’s not a model to follow.
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I don’t think it does if you completely fail in the league at the same time. If you perform well in the league AND win the Europa league then absolutely.
Also, can you imagine how awful the feeling around the club would be if we were getting turned over every week? Spurs got lucky they were the least bad team, but it’s not a model to follow.
Spurs is not a model to follow and that's not what I'm saying. Pushing for top 4 is where we expect to be now. Winning a cup be it Europa or otherwise would hopefully be a catalyst for further success.
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Here's a question, would you accept a season like Spurs had just had? I.e. win the Europa League but finish 17th?
Usually I’d put a trophy above finishing 4th, however “the journey” must’ve been horrid with 80% of weekends ruined.
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Same as this season. Finish top 8, bypass last 32 and see who's left when we come into the last 16 in the March.
We can't be deriding Man. United/Spurs and then claiming this competition is beyond us with endless amazing teams.
Got to be looking to win this.
If someone streetwise could knock out Palace before we get to the last 16 then that would be ideal!
Please God/Allah/Brahma/Zeus/Baal/Ahura Mazda/Ra/Jove/Huitzilopochtli and all the lads, let someone (preferably foreign and not in the Europa League) sign Eze and Sarr this summer so we might actually have a chance against the bastards.
And Mateta, just to be safe.
Maybe we could sign Mateta?
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It will feel like after the Lord Mayors show.
It depends how we do in the domestic league to some extent. Had spurs finished 3rd or 4th and won the europa it would be one of their best ever seasons.
The respective league positions of the finalists significantly undermines the prestige of this competition.
You're right, the European Cup was a pointless trophy when we entered it. Forest only finished 7th in the league when they won it. And 12th the season after.
Fantastic comparison, spot on.
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It will feel like after the Lord Mayors show.
It depends how we do in the domestic league to some extent. Had spurs finished 3rd or 4th and won the europa it would be one of their best ever seasons.
The respective league positions of the finalists significantly undermines the prestige of this competition.
You're right, the European Cup was a pointless trophy when we entered it. Forest only finished 7th in the league when they won it. And 12th the season after.
Fantastic comparison, spot on.
Thanks, though it was your point that really did all the work.
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Two words.
Crystal Palace. .
might be kicked out of Europa yet ?
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No. Not worth the misery and league form is a reflection of where you are.
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Two words.
Crystal Palace. .
might be kicked out of Europa yet ?
Should be expelled from the Premier League, Football League and UEFA just for the fact they have a twat with a drum.
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Here's a question, would you accept a season like Spurs had just had? I.e. win the Europa League but finish 17th?
Usually I’d put a trophy above finishing 4th, however “the journey” must’ve been horrid with 80% of weekends ruined.
My thoughts too. Although Spurs fans seem to be pretty happy about things at the moment.
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EUFA have rejected Crystal Palace's owners plans to put their shares into a 'blind' trust,don't ask,as they missed the deadline. One owner owns shares in Lyon also in the Europa League,.Lyon's league position was higher than Palace's,so it's Palace who have to miss out.
They can't be relegated to the Conference as the other owner holds shares in Brondby.
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It is starting to sound like they might actually be banned from Europe. Does seem a bit daft that you have to do the blind trust thing two months before most teams know if they're in Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/jun/05/crystal-palace-europe-place-uefa-rejects-owners-blind-trust-move
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Their owners have been stupid.Having shares in Lyon and Brondby who are no strangers to European football and Palace finished last season strongly.So a top 7 finish or a League Cup win not outlandish.
A FA Cup win somewhat remote as teams in the CL like Villa take it more serious,oh...
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Maybe, it's a shame for their supporters though. Even more so if it means Brighton qualify, bit of a kick in the teeth.
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Maguire dismissed this possibility out of hand on his podcast, which I listened to yesterday (don’t know when it came out).
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They’ll be fine and UEFA will help them navigate it. We had similar issues lest we forget.
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We had more time to deal with the issues.
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Draw for the First Qualifying Round made today at 1400. There is also the draw for the First Qualifying Round of the Champions League at 1300... doesn't affect us yet, but from the Second Qualifying round onwards the losers will drop straight into the Europa League (either into the qualifying rounds or straight into the group stage, depending on the round of elimination).
Preliminary Europa League pairings here...
https://bsky.app/profile/footrankings.bsky.social/post/3lrrv75fs2p2a
Champions League pairings here...
https://bsky.app/profile/footrankings.bsky.social/post/3lrrv5npp5p2y
Hopefully Legia get twatted.
Draws for all the Second Qualifying Rounds are tomorrow.
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Shelbourne vs Linfield in Champions League Qualifier, so one of them will enter the Europa League (assuming they don't make it all the way to the CL League stage).
https://bsky.app/profile/footrankings.bsky.social/post/3lrshzdebsd24
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You’re having a typo nightmare cd!
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I even went back and amended it to a different wrong spelling!
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There's the Europa League First Qualifying Round:
https://bsky.app/profile/footrankings.bsky.social/post/3lrsl3sorx72v
Back tomorrow with even more fun!
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AEK larnaca please 😃
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I had a look and by my reckoning one team from this round got through to the league stage last season so someone would have to have a good run to make it. Hopefully Legia Bellends get knocked out nice and early.
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Maguire dismissed this possibility out of hand on his podcast, which I listened to yesterday (don’t know when it came out).
Kieron's gone to shit during the same time that his big-head cousin Harry has fought back from the brink. Families, eh?
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I want Legia through or Poznan for a Polish visit.
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I want Legia through or Poznan for a Polish visit.
Polands a wonderful place bud just ashame about the football fans. I would wantvto avoid legia at all costs aftee what happened a few seasons ago. There is bad blood with their fans
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Here's the Second Qualifying Round draw for the Europa League. Winners from this round go into the Third Qualifying Round which is the penultimate set of qualifying ties before we enter in the League Stage.
https://bsky.app/profile/footrankings.bsky.social/post/3lruuy62klq25
Here's the Second Qualifying Round of the Champions League, split into two sections. The losers from this round will drop into the Third Qualifying Round of the Europa League. Winners will still drop into the Europa League if they lose in either of the remaining Champions League qualifying rounds.
https://bsky.app/profile/footrankings.bsky.social/post/3lrusg6clcx2v
https://bsky.app/profile/footrankings.bsky.social/post/3lrushncnpy25
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Winners in the Champions path could still end up in Conference League if they lose CL 3QR and EL playoff round.
Winners of the main path drop straight into league stage from CL 3QR.
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Winners in the Champions path could still end up in Conference League if they lose CL 3QR and EL playoff round.
Winners of the main path drop straight into league stage from CL 3QR.
That’s yer hope for the likes of TNS, win the first round qualifier for the Champions League and then you only have to win 1 more game to qualify for the Conference League and bank a load of money from that. Guess the same would be true for the Irish sides
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Yeah, I think The New Saints and Shamrock Rovers both played in all three competitions last season.
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Yeah, I think The New Saints and Shamrock Rovers both played in all three competitions last season.
Shelbourne should beat Linfield and have a chance to do the same.
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Qarabag (Azerbaijan) in 2QR if they get through.
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I worry Damien Duff wil do something silly at Windsor Park, like stick a tricolour flag in the centre-circle.
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EUFA have rejected Crystal Palace's owners plans to put their shares into a 'blind' trust,don't ask,as they missed the deadline. One owner owns shares in Lyon also in the Europa League,.Lyon's league position was higher than Palace's,so it's Palace who have to miss out.
They can't be relegated to the Conference as the other owner holds shares in Brondby.
Drogheda have been kicked out of the Conference League due to multi club ownership rules. Will cost them at least €500K which is big money for LOI clubs
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I worry Damien Duff wil do something silly at Windsor Park, like stick a tricolour flag up his arse.
Ftfy
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Palace decision delayed again.
Edit: Awaiting Lyon appeal on relegation.
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Palace decision delayed again.
Edit: Awaiting Lyon appeal on relegation.
I missed this - what happens if they get expelled. Does another English team take their place?
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Forest would move up from Conference League to Europa League, Brighton would take Forest's Conference League spot. Just as well Forest didn't get a late goal on the final day of the season or we wouldn't know which competition we were in and would be getting very pissed off with these delays.
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If i was a betting man i think palace will be allowed to stay in europa
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You would have thought that it would have been announced that they were fine no matter what happens with Lyon. But it still seems to be hanging on that decision. Maybe they want an easier justification in case of others complaining (Drogheda?) so if Lyon lose their position, Palace are in, no lawsuits. If Lyon win and they still allow Palace in, they have to justify the difference being as plans needed to be in place by 1st March.
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Lyon have been reinstated to Ligue One so a decision on Palace should be this week.
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Top 2 in the leagues have constant home second legs all the way to the Semi final in the new rules. Not sure what happens if, like this year, Liverpool get knocked out by a lower team placed team in the R16. I'm assuming PSG would still be playing all the second legs away.
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The lower placed team takes the second leg home advantage, if they beat one of the top group finishers
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So PSG would have still been home 2nd leg of the semi (and against us) if the rules were in place last season. Just pointing out because it was one of the moans Arse had "Mwah, we finished third and should have had home advantage as they finished 15th. We also beat them anyway because of XG".
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Well we don’t have to worry about Palace they’ve been demoted to the conference league.
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Palace demoted. Europa League - it’s on.
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And Forest selling their best players also won’t help. Of course I’ve jinxed us now and Emi, Kamara, Ollie and Konsa will be sold this week.
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Oh great so Palace game will be moved... again. To a shitey Sunday, that's even worse than a Friday game.
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How come it will be moved?
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They'll have a Conference League Play-Off game the day before. International week afterwards so assuming it can't be on the Monday so will almost certainly be on Sunday. Boooo.
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Palace demoted. Europa League - it’s on.
Oh that's a shame. Not to worry. Nevermind.
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Joking aside, Palace fans don't deserve that....will they appeal?
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There's nothing wrong with the Conference League - just ask West Ham.
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I was just about to book train and hotel for that Friday night! FFS
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Joking aside, Palace fans don't deserve that....will they appeal?
Yes.
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The reporter on Sky is apoplectic in his reporting of the demotion, embarrassing himself greatly in the process. Talking like a fan, “ would this happen to Real Madrid etc. suck it up Palace, you’ve had enough time to get your shit in place.
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They haven't really. They changed the rules at the end of February to be effective 1st March. By all means change the rules but give teams some time to comply with them.
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If i have read it correctly it was down to the owners having shares in both teams? So why did they not dump / sell shares like we did in the Portuguese team?
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If i have read it correctly it was down to the owners having shares in both teams? So why did they not dump / sell shares like we did in the Portuguese team?
I think they tried but didn’t pull it off in time .
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You have to feel sorry for the Palace fans,players and manager etc.
Not as if they are queuing up to play in Europe every year.
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You have to feel sorry for the Palace fans,players and manager etc.
Not as if they are queuing up to play in Europe every year.
I get that but the demotion will probably see them as favourites for the trophy, just as every English club is.
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If i have read it correctly it was down to the owners having shares in both teams? So why did they not dump / sell shares like we did in the Portuguese team?
They have, but haven't satisfied UEFA that they don't having ruling interest in each. I think.
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You have to feel sorry for the Palace fans,players and manager etc.
Not as if they are queuing up to play in Europe every year.
I get that but the demotion will probably see them as favourites for the trophy, just as every English club is.
I am sorry, but given recent history, while not revelling in this news, I am less than gutted for them.
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You have to feel sorry for the Palace fans,players and manager etc.
Not as if they are queuing up to play in Europe every year.
I get that but the demotion will probably see them as favourites for the trophy, just as every English club is.
I am sorry, but given recent history, while not revelling in this news, I am less than gutted for them.
Just messaged my brother in law "Don't worry, we'll win it for you"
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You have to feel sorry for the Palace fans,players and manager etc.
Not as if they are queuing up to play in Europe every year.
I get that but the demotion will probably see them as favourites for the trophy, just as every English club is.
I am sorry, but given recent history, while not revelling in this news, I am less than gutted for them.
Just messaged my brother in law "Don't worry, we'll win it for you"
Haha - nice work.
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You have to feel sorry for the Palace fans,players and manager etc.
Not as if they are queuing up to play in Europe every year.
I get that but the demotion will probably see them as favourites for the trophy, just as every English club is.
I am sorry, but given recent history, while not revelling in this news, I am less than gutted for them.
Oh I agree but from their point of view, every cloud…
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Fuck 'em, just for the drums and the ground being in Narnia.
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They haven't promoted Forest to Europa have they? Thought they might have.
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They haven't promoted Forest to Europa have they? Thought they might have.
It's all pending an appeal by Palace.
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Crystal Palace was required to place its shares in a blind trust. However, the club did not do so before the deadline, as it did not believe its association with the Eagle Group constituted a case of multi-club ownership. This was based on the assessment that John Textor did not exert significant influence over Palace’s strategic decisions.
In contrast, RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg are legally independent entities with separate ownership structures. Meanwhile, Manchester City and Girona were initially flagged for multi-club ownership concerns, but they restructured their holdings to comply with UEFA guidelines. This involved transferring ownership stakes into a blind trust, which is now overseen by UEFA’s financial control body.
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Crystal Palace was required to place its shares in a blind trust. However, the club did not do so before the deadline, as it did not believe its association with the Eagle Group constituted a case of multi-club ownership. This was based on the assessment that John Textor did not exert significant influence over Palace’s strategic decisions.
In contrast, RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg are legally independent entities with separate ownership structures. Meanwhile, Manchester City and Girona were initially flagged for multi-club ownership concerns, but they restructured their holdings to comply with UEFA guidelines. This involved transferring ownership stakes into a blind trust, which is now overseen by UEFA’s financial control body.
I'm amazed that Manchester City weren't caught in the same way. I'm glad the rules have been applied to them and everyone else in a completely fair and consistent manner.
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Deadline dates changed between last season and this season for one. But they did put the shares in a blind trust where it seems Palace refused to. I suspect at the deadline, and whilst still being in the cup, UEFA qualification was far from guaranteed.
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Palace missed the deadline for putting shares in a blind trust. Because the date was brought forward to start of March, but the change was only announced two days before the end of February. Something like that, anyway.
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The deadline changes might be their defence but they also seem to be using the "we didn't need to because although Eagle Holdings own a greater amount then UEFA would accept, they have no say in the club." They could always have put a blind trust plan in place back at the deadline just in case of the 1-in 15 chance they had to win the cup at that point. Then they enact the plans if required. But from the outside, they didn't put any plans in place until after they won the cup.
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Maybe. But you make a big rule change, give people more than a couple of days to read the new rule and act accordingly.
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I thought it was a structural issue with the eagle holdings which meant that utilising the blind trust process was not possible.
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Does anyone know when we will know the dates for our home fixtures?
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I think the draw is on the 29th of August.
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I think the draw is on the 29th of August.
Cheers.
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Winners of first Europa qualifers.
Legia Warszawa
Shakhtar Donetsk
Häcken
CFR Cluj
Celje
Levski Sofia
Sheriff
Not sure what is happening between Partizan and AEL Larnaca as BEEB as 1-1 FT and nothing about pens.
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AEK Larnaca won 6-5 on pens.
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Must have been a very late finish.
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Yep particularly with the punch up after the last penalty, 4 sent off and 1 booked.
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Does anyone know when we will know the dates for our home fixtures?
These are the general fixture dates:
(https://i.ibb.co/2Y8J58sC/IMG-4665.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2Y8J58sC)
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Does anyone know when we will know the dates for our home fixtures?
These are the general fixture dates:
(https://i.ibb.co/2Y8J58sC/IMG-4665.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2Y8J58sC)
The draw is on the 29 August and once we know our 8 opponents the H/A and KO times are usually confirmed that night or the day after.
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On to our old friends Banik Ostrava to knock out our old enemies Legia Warsaw
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Winners of first Europa qualifers.
Legia Warszawa
Shakhtar Donetsk
Häcken
CFR Cluj
Celje
Levski Sofia
Sheriff
Not sure what is happening between Partizan and AEL Larnaca as BEEB as 1-1 FT and nothing about pens.
What I saw showed two players from each side being sent off after 137 minutes so I have no idea what happened.
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On to our old friends Banik Ostrava to knock out our old enemies Legia Warsaw
Was looking earlier at who Warsaw had next and when I spotted that came out in a cold sweat. Had forgotten about their existence.
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Palace have submitted an appeal to UEFA against their demotion. Whoda funk it?
Decision expected by the 11th of August.
Three ring bullshit circus sideshow.
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Do people think that Unai will really go for this competition and if necessary drop off the Premier League? By winning this we would get Champions League next season by only having fewer important games than League games. He could keep the top players fully available to win this and get us back to where they want to be.
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Do people think that Unai will really go for this competition and if necessary drop off the Premier League? By winning this we would get Champions League next season by only having fewer important games than League games. He could keep the top players fully available to win this and get us back to where they want to be.
We still need to aim for top 6. Although I can't see it.
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Palace have submitted an appeal to UEFA against their demotion. Whoda funk it?
Decision expected by the 11th of August.
Three ring bullshit circus sideshow.
Which will then have an impact on our game v palace. Cause if they are In Europa conf then the newly moved Friday night game end of August will have to move again as they would have a conf game the day before
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Do people think that Unai will really go for this competition and if necessary drop off the Premier League? By winning this we would get Champions League next season by only having fewer important games than League games. He could keep the top players fully available to win this and get us back to where they want to be.
We still need to aim for top 6. Although I can't see it.
We'll definitely be aiming for top 6. You only focus on Europa when you're in the quarter/semi finals and it's almost impossible to qualify through your league position.
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Palace have submitted an appeal to UEFA against their demotion. Whoda funk it?
Decision expected by the 11th of August.
Three ring bullshit circus sideshow.
Which will then have an impact on our game v palace. Cause if they are In Europa conf then the newly moved Friday night game end of August will have to move again as they would have a conf game the day before
They’d still manage to turn us over 😂
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Just reading that each time we play on a Sunday it will be televised and each time we will get nearly a million pounds in TV money. That’s nice compensation for the faff of Thursday-Sunday each week.
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Just reading that each time we play on a Sunday it will be televised and each time we will get nearly a million pounds in TV money. That’s nice compensation for the faff of Thursday-Sunday each week.
And yet we pay more for the privilege of the disruption. It stinks.
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Just reading that each time we play on a Sunday it will be televised and each time we will get nearly a million pounds in TV money. That’s nice compensation for the faff of Thursday-Sunday each week.
Yes, it makes me feel lots better.
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After this weeks 1st leg matches, it looks like Hamrun, RFS, Zerinjski, Breiðablik, Brann and Shlebourne are dropping to Europa. Might be Panathinaikos as well. In Europa qualifying, only Utrecht and Shaktar Donetsk seem to be through to the next round.
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I'd look forward to seeing Max from Villa On Tour's vlog of an away leg in Donetsk.
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I'd look forward to seeing Max from Villa On Tour's vlog of an away leg in Donetsk.
Don't they play their "home" games at Schalke? (Sorry to be boring)
Though they seem to be on tour for their qualifiers as they've been at home in Ljubljana and Krakow so far.
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I'd look forward to seeing Max from Villa On Tour's vlog of an away leg in Donetsk.
I saw him in Kidderminster.
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Do people think that Unai will really go for this competition and if necessary drop off the Premier League? By winning this we would get Champions League next season by only having fewer important games than League games. He could keep the top players fully available to win this and get us back to where they want to be.
yes because this gives us a second way into the Champions League.
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I'd look forward to seeing Max from Villa On Tour's vlog of an away leg in Donetsk.
I saw him in Kidderminster.
He’ll be well prepared for Donetsk then.
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I'd look forward to seeing Max from Villa On Tour's vlog of an away leg in Donetsk.
I saw him in Kidderminster.
One of them was at the Villa sale earlier.
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Do people think that Unai will really go for this competition and if necessary drop off the Premier League? By winning this we would get Champions League next season by only having fewer important games than League games. He could keep the top players fully available to win this and get us back to where they want to be.
Risky strategy but a good concept and idea. We won't be competing top 5 this season based on whats happened so far this window.
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Do people think that Unai will really go for this competition and if necessary drop off the Premier League? By winning this we would get Champions League next season by only having fewer important games than League games. He could keep the top players fully available to win this and get us back to where they want to be.
As it stands we have to as i dont believe the team is strong enough and has enough goals in it to finish top 5
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Maybe. But you make a big rule change, give people more than a couple of days to read the new rule and act accordingly.
Can't have been that opaque - Forest twigged on and sorted themselves out. More likely that Palace didn't really think they'd qualify, in my view, and so did ot act.
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Regardless, there is no real need to introduce a rule change and only let people know a couple of days in advance.
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Our old pals Zrinjski drop into Europa League third qualifying round
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So has Red Imps, KuPS and Hanrun.
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Our old pals Zrinjski drop into Europa League third qualifying round
I would be ok playjng them. We made hard work of it but they are not good at all
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Be good to draw Roma and Porto at Villa Park two massive names in European football for big European nights.
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Be good to draw Roma and Porto at Villa Park two massive names in European football for big European nights.
I’m going for one of those away Darren. Actually they’re both in Pot 1 so we can’t have both at home in the League stage anyway.
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I'd like us to have played all the European Cup Winners in competitive games as that seems the sort of thing a "big club" should do. We only managed to add Celtic last year, and then PSG added themselves after our season was over.
So, list as below (haven't included English clubs as they're too easy):
GOT
Ajax, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Celtic, Hamburg, Inter Milan, Juventus, PSG, Steaua Bucharest
NEED
Benfica**, Borussia Dortmund, Feyenoord**, Marseille, Milan, Porto*, PSV, Real Madrid, Red Star Belgrade**
* team in Europa League Group Stage
** team in Champions League qualifying rounds, could drop into Europa League
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I'd like us to have played all the European Cup Winners in competitive games as that seems the sort of thing a "big club" should do. We only managed to add Celtic last year, and then PSG added themselves after our season was over.
So, list as below (haven't included English clubs as they're too easy):
GOT
Ajax, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Celtic, Hamburg, Inter Milan, Juventus, PSG, Steaua Bucharest
NEED
Benfica**, Borussia Dortmund, Feyenoord**, Marseille, Milan, Porto*, PSV, Real Madrid, Red Star Belgrade**
* team in Europa League Group Stage
** team in Champions League qualifying rounds, could drop into Europa League
I like that one, is there any in the need column we’ve not even played in a friendly, I don’t remember us playing Real before and possibly not Red Star.
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We have played Benfica, Borussia Dortmund, Feyenoord and Porto in friendlies, and play Marseille next month.
I can't find any reference to us ever having played Milan, PSV, Real Madrid or Red Star.
Our kids played PSV in the NextGen Series.
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We have played Benfica, Borussia Dortmund, Feyenoord and Porto in friendlies, and play Marseille next month.
I can't any reference to us ever having played Milan, PSV, Real Madrid or Red Star.
Our kids played PSV in the NextGen Series.
Surprised we haven’t played Milan somewhere down the line, we would have played Real in the mighty Peace Cup final but they lost to Juventus in the semis, before we smashed Juve on pens in the final
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Alessandro Del Piero still sees Brad Guzan in his nightmares.
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Thought that said "on his Instagram" first!
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One of the funniest pens ever
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I don't think there'll be another WTAF penalty like Ollie's against Celtic. Fortunately it didn't matter in the end.
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Yeah, I didn't laugh at that one
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Further teams joining us (depending on Europa Qualifier rounds).
Shelbourne
Rigas FS
FCSB
Rijeka
Noah
Maccabi Tel Aviv
Panathanoikas
Breidablik
Brann
And one of Servette and Viktoria Plzen.
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Servette dropped into Europa qualifiers this round.
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Yeah, I didn't laugh at that one
I got a video of that in the Lower Holte. As he scuffs/falls/misses a bloke nearby does the weirdest little squeal.
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Still in Europa
AEK Larnaca
Häcken
Cluj
Shaktar Donetsk
Utrecht
Midtjylland
Legia
Sporting Braga
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Next Round
Europa Matches (winning team stays in Europa)
Red Imps v Noah
Fredrikstad v Midtjylland
AEK Larnaca v Legia
Häcken v Brann
Cluj v Braga
PAOK v Wolfsberger
Zrinjski v Breiðablik
Panathanoikas v Shaktar
FCSB v Drita
Servette v Utrecht
Champs League (loser drops to Europa)
Malmö v Copenhagen
Dynamo Kiev v Pafos
Shkëndija v Qarabağ
Ranger v Viktoria Plzeň
Kairat Almatyv Bratislava
Salzburg v Brugge
Ludogrets v Ferencváros
Lech Poznań v Crvena Zvezda
Nice v Benfica
Feyenoord v Fenerbahçe
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It'd be interesting* to see Big Jhon back if it falls that way.
*Interesting = I would not like it.
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Next Round
Europa Matches (winning team stays in Europa)
Red Imps v Noah
Fredrikstad v Midtjylland
AEK Larnaca v Legia
Häcken v Brann
Cluj v Braga
PAOK v Wolfsberger
Zrinjski v Breiðablik
Panathanoikas v Shaktar
FCSB v Drita
Servette v Utrecht
Champs League (loser drops to Europa)
Malmö v Copenhagen
Dynamo Kiev v Pafos
Shkëndija v Qarabağ
Ranger v Viktoria Plzeň
Kairat Almatyv Bratislava
Salzburg v Brugge
Ludogrets v Ferencváros
Lech Poznań v Crvena Zvezda
Nice v Benfica
Feyenoord v Fenerbahçe
You’ve missed a few Europa League ties there.
Hamrun Spartans v Maccabi Tel Aviv
Rijeka v Shelbourne
RFS v Kups
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Thanks. I was looking at only Thursday as not expecting any the same days as the Champs.
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Play off draw on TNT now for anyone pissed off about the cricket.
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Play off draw on TNT now for anyone pissed off about the cricket.
I have massive football withdrawal so I’m here for it.
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Play off draw on TNT now for anyone pissed off about the cricket.
I don’t think that’s going to help mate. 5 bastard runs.
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Not many to call after the first leg of the Champs League although we are on course for both Nice and Fenerbache to drop. Viktoria Plzeň and Lech Poznań probably down to Europa so far.
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Not many to call after the first leg of the Champs League although we are on course for both Nice and Fenerbache to drop. Viktoria Plzeň and Lech Poznań probably down to Europa so far.
Yep can’t see Benfica fucking up their section of the draw. Looks like we’ll be top of Pot 2 unless something unlikely happens like Rangers getting in the CL.
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Although pots don't matter much anymore, it would be nice to see our name at the topend.
A good run in the Europa could see us up in the top 15 or so of the club list.
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Yep one more year of a good European run and we’ll be comfortably in the top 30 possibly top 20 ranking. It’s important for so many reasons.
On reflection you’re right on the pots, ultimately we can draw anyone except Forest/Palace.
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Not many to call after the first leg of the Champs League although we are on course for both Nice and Fenerbache to drop. Viktoria Plzeň and Lech Poznań probably down to Europa so far.
Nice would be the best away location ever.
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It would be nice to be able make use of my suite at the Negresco.
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In Europa looks like we won't be seeing loads of Polish backs.
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Apparently Palace's appeal is being heard tomorrow with the decision on Monday. The Standard seems to be listing their case (https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/how-crystal-palace-plan-to-win-cas-fight-europa-league-uefa-b1241716.html) but if that is it, I think they are fucked. The only argument seems to be that other clubs have done blind trusts in the past and we didn't. Then moaning that they delayed the decision because of Lyon maybe not being in the competition, you know the other team that was in dual ownership.
Someone in the comments mentioned that it was up to UEFA to tell Palace they needed to do something and if there is no correspondance between them talking about this in March or April, then that is UEFA's failing and not the clubs.
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Any mention of Palace is starting to set off the PTSD . We need to bury this monkey off the back this season , they'll become the new Boro .
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In Europa looks like we won't be seeing loads of Polish backs.
Could be 4 Polish teams in the Conference League though.
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Any mention of Palace is starting to set off the PTSD . We need to bury this monkey off the back this season , they'll become the new Boro .
We had a good record against Middlesboro (if that you're referring to).
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Middlesbrough more or less the complete opposite to Palace, for us. We tended to always win there while they had a pretty decent record at Villa Park.
Last eight meetings at Villa:
Villa 1 win, 4 draws, Boro 3 wins
Last eight meetings at Boro:
Villa 7 wins, 1 draw, Boro 0 wins
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Didn't we have a poor record at Middlesbrough in the Ayresome Park days?
With Peter Withe lying and saying he always won there, to help instill some confidence in our players.
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We had a bad run against them, home and away, prior to the penultimate game of the 1980/81 season when we twatted them 3-0. One draw and six defeats from the previous seven meetings.
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Palace lose appeal so we won't lose to them in Europe.
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Villa could probably have waited a day before sending out the email boasting about the return of Friday night football to Villa Park.
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Not much of a surprise after reading the supposed Palace defence the other day. It seemed to comprise of "because Palace didn't send any emails between Glassner and Textor in April about the ownership, UEFA were culpable." And "You allowed clubs to have blind trusts previously so not fair on us".
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Assuming Palace is now Sunday at stupid O'clock.?
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Palace lose appeal so we won't lose to them in Europe.
Well we might as well have completed the set as we've lost to them in everything else.
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Palace lose appeal so we won't lose to them in Europe.
They might as well give us the trophy now.
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There is a slim chance we could be playing Forest three times in 8 days if we both get through and are drawn in the quarter finals. Even slimmer that we play them 4 times in 13 days as well with FA Cup quarters being around then.
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Forest must have spent a fortune over the past few years (cant be bothered to check)?
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There is a slim chance we could be playing Forest three times in 8 days if we both get through and are drawn in the quarter finals. Even slimmer that we play them 4 times in 13 days as well with FA Cup quarters being around then.
League Cup Final is around then, too.
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A good few weeks beforehand on 22nd March so never bothered including it.
FA Cup Quarters is Weekend 4th April. UEFA Qtr 1st Leg is 9th, League match Weekend 11th, UEFA 2nd Leg 16th. (FA Cup Semis are weekend 25th).
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It's agreed then 🤝, we will play Forest 5 times.
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Feyenoord
Viktoria Plzen
Nice
RB Salzburg
Confirmed in league stage
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Feyenoord give us a chance to add to the number of former champions we've played in competitive games. Hopefully Benfica and Red Star lose in the final Champions League qualifying round and drop into the Europa League, too.
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The losers of Rangers/Brugge and Fenerbache/Benfica will be dropping into the league phases as well (along with 5 others but not many shocks expected so smaller names).
Also into the Europa playoff round so far is: (Four joined and Rijeka qualified on Tuesday, rest CL losers).
Aberdeen, Genk, Samsunspor, Sigma Olomouc, Rijeka, Malmo, Slovan Bratislava, Lech Poznan, Ludogrets, Dynamo Kyiv, Shkëndija
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Proposed A List below. Now we have let JJ go we can only do a max of 21 names. Kosta, Garcia and Barkley are some names who could be removed to make space for others. (edit: I think Bogarde is still B list qualification due to age but would fit into the home grown on A if he doesn't).
Martinez
Bizot
Matty Cash
Kosta Nedeljkovic
Ezri Konsa
Pau Torres
Garcia
Tyrone Mings
Ian Maatsen
Lucas Digne
Boubacar Kamara
Ross Barkley
John McGinn
Youri Tielemans
Buendia
Amadou Onana
Guessand
Morgan Rogers
Leon Bailey
Malen
Ollie Watkins
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We will be in pot 2 as we are already 8th and one of Rangers/Brugge is dropping down and they are currently above us. Not that pots matter now but it would be nice to be at the top.
Quick list of names through and select few who could drop.
Pot A
Roma
Porto
Feynoord
Lille
Dinamo Zagreb
Real Betis
Salzburg
(Benfica maybe)
Rangers/Brugge if no Benfica
Pot B
Rangers/Brugge if Benfica loses, otherwise Fenebache.
Us
Lyon
Viktoria Plzen
B or C
SC Freiburg
Forest (we can't draw these).
C or D
Nice
Bologna
Celta Vigo
Stuttgart
Go Ahead Eagles
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Proposed A List below. Now we have let JJ go we can only do a max of 21 names. Kosta, Garcia and Barkley are some names who could be removed to make space for others. (edit: I think Bogarde is still B list qualification due to age but would fit into the home grown on A if he doesn't).
Martinez
Bizot
Matty Cash
Kosta Nedeljkovic
Ezri Konsa
Pau Torres
Garcia
Tyrone Mings
Ian Maatsen
Lucas Digne
Boubacar Kamara
Ross Barkley
John McGinn
Youri Tielemans
Buendia
Amadou Onana
Guessand
Morgan Rogers
Leon Bailey
Malen
Ollie Watkins
That squad looks...a bit shit written down, doesn't it? Hard to be optimistic about the new season when we've at best stood still this summer while rivals have strengthened especially Yanited and Spurs. Plus the latter finally have a decent manager, the Scandinavian ski and sex instructor.
Oh and Kosta doesn't play for us no more.
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Apart from Duran and now Ramsey, it is pretty much the same squad that got us top 8 in the CL and top half in Jan when we could strengthen. Obviously Duran missing will remove some of the goals we had that helped that, but we also add Malen and Guessand who are both unknown quantities.
As for that list, I copied it from last years and just made some changes. I did check Kosta but missed he had been loaned again but knew he would be replaced.
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Yeah, hope you're right. Just feels a bit flat at the moment.
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Proposed A List below. Now we have let JJ go we can only do a max of 21 names. Kosta, Garcia and Barkley are some names who could be removed to make space for others. (edit: I think Bogarde is still B list qualification due to age but would fit into the home grown on A if he doesn't).
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Who are the B-list players that might conceivably get game time?
Last season we had front-line players backing up from premier league games, getting minutes in latter part of games. Ideally, since it's a lower level we might use Hemming, Rowe, Jimoh-Aloba etc and give more rest to the remainder of the squad. Obviously it would depend on game state, but an advantage of being in Europa League is that we probably aren't forced to field our best players every mid-week.
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Apart from the league this is the most important competition this season
Obviously a long awaited Trophy and access into the champions league both massive for the club
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With the final play-off rounds to come, as it stands, we could just get into Pot 1 but as Somniloquism has pointed out there are quite a few ifs and buts yet...e.g. if Fenerbahce beat Benfica in CL qualifying, we will go to Pot 2.
Clubs in Bold are definitely in the Europa League, the rest are projected.
Pot 1
Roma
Porto
Rangers
Feyenoord
Lille
Dinamo Zagreb
Real Betis
Salzburg
Aston Villa
Pot 2
Fenerbahce.
Braga
Lyon
PAOK Salonika
Viktoria Plzen
Maccabi Tel Aviv
Slovan Bratislava
Basel
Midtjylland
Pot 3
Qarabag
Freiburg
Ludogorets
Nottingham Forest
Sturm Graz
FCSB
Nice
Bologna
Celta Vigo
Pot 4
Stuttgart
Panathinaikos
Malmo
Go Ahead Eagles
Utrecht
Genk
Pafos
AEK Larnaca
Kairat Almaty
The alternatives for those clubs above which have not yet definitely qualified are:
Losers from Champions League Play-Off round
Bodo Glimt (Sturm Graz)
Ferencvaros (Qarabag)
Celtic (Kairat)
Club Brugge (Rangers)
Copenhagen (Basel)
Red Star Belgrade (Pafos)
Fenerbahce (Benfica)
Winners from Europa League Play-Off Round
Young Boys (Slovan Bratislava)
Samsunspor (Panathinaikos)
Lech Poznan (Genk)
Aberdeen (FCSB)
Sigma Olomouc (Malmo)
Shkendija (Ludogorets)
Dynamo Kyiv (Maccabi Tel Aviv)
Rijeka (PAOK)
Brann Bergen (AEK Larnaca)
Lincoln Red Imps (Braga)
KuPS (Midtjylland)
Zrinjski (Utrecht)
Of course, it's quite likely some of those teams will either lose their CL play-off, or win their Europa League play-off and then the make up of the Pots will change.
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With the final play-off rounds to come, as it stands, we could just get into Pot 1 but as Somniloquism has pointed out there are quite a few ifs and buts yet...e.g. if Fenerbahce beat Benfica in CL qualifying, we will go to Pot 2.
Last night on the Wiki they stated 8 teams per pot and us moved to Pot 2 only. Now seems to have been changed and reverted back to a flux 1/2. schrodinger's Villa.
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Is it me or does the Europa League look “stronger” this year than last year? I realise these things are somewhat subjective but I’m pretty sure last seasons comp looked weaker.
It’s a bit like our Conf League season, that was far stronger than anything Chelsea faced last season.
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Conf league was stronger our year as the Europa 3rd placed teams dropped as well (plus we didn't have the luxury of a squad to finish 4th in the league and a whole other squad for Conference, if we had, we wouldn't have tired).
Looking at the Europa though, mostly the same teams or comparable to last season so about the same so far.
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Conf league was stronger our year as the Europa 3rd placed teams dropped as well (plus we didn't have the luxury of a squad to finish 4th in the league and a whole other squad for Conference, if we had, we wouldn't have tired).
Looking at the Europa though, mostly the same teams or comparable to last season so about the same so far.
Thanks Som. yep I’d forgotten we still had the 3rd place dropouts when we were in the Conf.
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1-3 home defeat makes it look likely the fascists will drop into Europa.
Ferencvaros could too.
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1-3 home defeat makes it look likely the fascists will drop into Europa.
Ferencvaros could too.
Blimey, I hope we don’t get them.
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Not only would it be horrible playing those 'Ban the Boat' knobheads, but we can't even tick off a new team played (knocked them out of the FA Cup in 1887).
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Just like for a time we were "Steven Gerrard's Aston Villa", it's important to give them their full name of "Robbie Keane's Ferencvaros"
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With the final play-off rounds to come, as it stands, we could just get into Pot 1 but as Somniloquism has pointed out there are quite a few ifs and buts yet...e.g. if Fenerbahce beat Benfica in CL qualifying, we will go to Pot 2.
Last night on the Wiki they stated 8 teams per pot and us moved to Pot 2 only. Now seems to have been changed and reverted back to a flux 1/2. schrodinger's Villa.
It doesn’t make any difference really which pot we’re in as we still draw two teams from each pot. If one of the stronger teams goes into a lower pot then in theory that only affects and makes it harder for the teams that draw them.
Almaty would be a fantastic draw for those who could afford the time and money to go but one to avoid for the players. I was hoping for a reason to go to Baku but Qarabag looked decent against a poor Ferencvaros team I thought last night, and should go through in the Champions League now.
We come back to home games after 6 of the 8 group games which should be better for the players but fingers crossed that won’t lead to a drop off in home form.
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It doesn’t make any difference really which pot we’re in as we still draw two teams from each pot.
I mentioned before that whilst it doesn't "matter" with the draws anymore, seeing us on the list of the teams in pot one is still nice.
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It’s a bit like our Conf League season, that was far stronger than anything Chelsea faced last season.
Agreed, Chelsea won the cup by default - majority of the teams in the competition last season were teams made up by JK Rowling
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Really want Benfica to drop into the Europa League, they'd be a dream opponent.
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Really want Benfica to drop into the Europa League, they'd be a dream opponent.
Just can’t see them losing to Fenerbache.
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Our mad bastard starts. Anything is possible.
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1-3 home defeat makes it look likely the fascists will drop into Europa.
Ferencvaros could too.
Blimey, I hope we don’t get them.
It wouldn't surprise me if we did, feels a little inevitable. Question is, do we want them home or away?
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Going on pure probablilty, there is slightly less chance of us drawing them because unlike last year we have two more teams we could draw with Forest being the only team we can't.
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1-3 home defeat makes it look likely the fascists will drop into Europa.
Ferencvaros could too.
Blimey, I hope we don’t get them.
It wouldn't surprise me if we did, feels a little inevitable. Question is, do we want them home or away?
Away, definitely. I wouldn’t take the kids with those animals roaming around. Plus, I wouldn’t want to be with the kids with those animals roaming around. 😉
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UEFA has confirmed that the Europa League league phase draw will take place at midday (12:00 CEST) on Friday, 29 August, in Monaco.
Seedings, groupings, and the full draw procedure will be available on the UEFA website from 07:30 on the morning of the draw.
https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/029c-1e83ef984d46-0ff1e8ddd6f2-1000--uefa-club-competition-league-phase-draws-to-take-place-in-m/
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UEFA has confirmed that the Europa League league phase draw will take place at midday (12:00 CEST) on Friday, 29 August, in Monaco.
Seedings, groupings, and the full draw procedure will be available on the UEFA website from 07:30 on the morning of the draw.
https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/029c-1e83ef984d46-0ff1e8ddd6f2-1000--uefa-club-competition-league-phase-draws-to-take-place-in-m/
12.00 BST isn't it ?
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1300 CET so 1200 BST. That's a combined "show" for Conference League and Europa League, though, so will likely be a while before we find out our opponents.
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They always draw it out, we should know our opponents by teatime all going well.
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Europa should be first, but they might always have it as the main event and force people to watch Conference first.
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I read something the other day that they “may” do a one button draw (apparently we have the technology) which does the whole draw in one go rather than going through team by team like last year. But it’s UEFA suits so who the fuck knows.
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I'm looking forward to the draw to see who we get.
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I read something the other day that they “may” do a one button draw (apparently we have the technology) which does the whole draw in one go rather than going through team by team like last year. But it’s UEFA suits so who the fuck knows.
Hope they have found a way of making a few Euros out of it.
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It is a one button draw, if they tried to draw them by hand it would take over a day or something. The team by team thing is just how they reveal it to the public. I imagine it will be the same format as last season. It's a pity i'm in the office.
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Will they fuck about with the dates after the draw at all? I’ll need to book the nights off.
I don’t think they did with either conference or CL.
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I think the dates are set. The only variable is when we are home or away
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We won't know the dates of fixtures until the weekend. They were released on the Saturday last season.
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They were released on the Saturday for Conference too.
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I think the dates are set. The only variable is when we are home or away
The dates aren't set as one of the weeks is spread across two days. There is also the chance of games being moved to Tuesday/Wednesday in order to prevent too many teams from one city/region playing at home on the same day.
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I think the dates are set. The only variable is when we are home or away
The dates aren't set as one of the weeks is spread across two days. There is also the chance of games being moved to Tuesday/Wednesday in order to prevent too many teams from one city/region playing at home on the same day.
Bloody hell.
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Villa home games should be fine, mate, except for that one week where there are two possible dates.
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Once they're announced on Saturday they're set in stone as far as I'm aware.
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Yep. Saturday at the latest I think.
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Glad we're not playing on Saturday to make fancying around with flights easier.
I hope we're at home that first game in September.
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Glad we're not playing on Saturday to make fancying around with flights easier.
I hope we're at home that first game in September.
Preferably away for me - somewhere warm - Porto or Benfica.
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I'm missing the first two Europa matchdays as I'm away in the US so entirely selfishly I'm hoping we're away in Kazakhstan and at home to a bunch of part time Norwegians.
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We won't know the dates of fixtures until the weekend. They were released on the Saturday last season.
By Sunday 31st at the latest according to the official UEFA site.
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From the UEFA Europa League app:
So what’s different in the UEFA Europa League and UEFA Conference League draws?
Not the software: it is the same already in use. Thanks to its flexibility, the system can either draw opponents to all teams one after the other – as in the UEFA Champions League – or draw all pairings instantly with a single press of the button. The latter will be the case for UEFA Europa League and UEFA Conference League.
What will happen then?
One event, two draws: The UEFA Europa League draw will be followed by the UEFA Conference League draw, both taking place within the same ceremony.
Digital draw system: No physical balls are used on stage. The draw button is pressed once at the beginning of both draws, thus activating the random selection of opponents, including who plays at home and who plays away.
Reveal: After the software has conducted the full draw, the pairings and who plays each fixture home or away will be released progressively, pot after pot, starting with Pot 1, thus maintaining suspense and clarity for viewers.
When will the match calendar be known?
The teams will know all their opponents by the end of the draws, however the fixture lists with match dates and kick-off times will be elaborated afterwards and communicated by Sunday 31 August at the latest.
Hope that clarifies.
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Glad we're not playing on Saturday to make fancying around with flights easier.
I hope we're at home that first game in September.
I hope we’re away, my Wedding Anniversary is 25th.
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Home game on 6th November please. I'm in Brum anyway that week. Looking at stopping over for the Bournemouth game too.
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Glad we're not playing on Saturday to make fancying around with flights easier.
I hope we're at home that first game in September.
I hope we’re away, my Wedding Anniversary is 25th.
Fancy getting married in the football season Chris! I ruled that out immediately.
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Celtic, Red Star Belgrade and Sturm Graz drop to Europa.
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Young Boys away was on my wedding anniversary last season (*of course I went!).
Last 16 tie (if we get that far) is bang on the missus’ birthday this season….. don’t think I’ll pull that one off. 🫤
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Celtic, Red Star Belgrade and Sturm Graz drop to Europa.
Be nice to tick off another European Cup finalist in Red Star.
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Glad we're not playing on Saturday to make fancying around with flights easier.
I hope we're at home that first game in September.
I hope we’re away, my Wedding Anniversary is 25th.
Fancy getting married in the football season Chris! I ruled that out immediately.
October 26th 1991 was my wedding day. Think we beat Wimbledon 2-1.
One of the only handful of home games ive missed since.
Definitely terrible planning on my part.
Amazingly still married!
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I got married 1998 and the next day was either Middlesbrough or Bolton at home (can’t remember which) but I was there - Dwight had just signed for United
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Celtic, Red Star Belgrade and Sturm Graz drop to Europa.
All located in shitholes where I don’t want to go😟
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Glad we're not playing on Saturday to make fancying around with flights easier.
I hope we're at home that first game in September.
I hope we’re away, my Wedding Anniversary is 25th.
Fancy getting married in the football season Chris! I ruled that out immediately.
Ha ha, it was the day we won at Manu in 2021. I knew we’d won by the cheer at the reception when Kortney scored.
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Celtic, Red Star Belgrade and Sturm Graz drop to Europa.
All located in shitholes where I don’t want to go😟
Belgrade, are you sure?!
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Graz is nice too
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Celtic, Red Star Belgrade and Sturm Graz drop to Europa.
All located in shitholes where I don’t want to go😟
Belgrade, are you sure?!
Belgrade is said to be choc full of beautiful women.
It is what my Dad would refer to, in his 1950s slang, as 'a wanker's paradise'
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I haven't been, but I've only heard good things.
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I was going to state I hope a couple of English teams get Celtics conquerors away because that is a 8 hour flight each way, but I suspect most would just send their reserves.
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I don't think teams can afford to risk sending their reserves in the current format unless it is at least the seventh game and they're pretty sure they will finish top 8/9th-24th/outside the top 24. In the Champions League, at least. More flexibility in the other competitions.
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Anyway, I think we are top seeds if Benfica defeat Fenerbahçe so the latter drop into the Europa League. Second seeds if Fenerbahçe win. Hoping to add to our former European Cup Winners' collection, though, so would like Benfica to lose. Give us Benfica, Porto and Red Star (though we would only be able to draw at most two of them in the league stage).
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Celtic, Red Star Belgrade and Sturm Graz drop to Europa.
All located in shitholes where I don’t want to go😟
Belgrade, are you sure?!
Belgrade is relatively cheap but ensure you pay by card unless you have Serbian currency in your possession.
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Why only two? Belgrade is in pot 2 already and Benfica and Porto are both in pot 1 so two from each pot means we could have all three in theory.
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Current map of qualifiers. Belgrade is currently the furthest. (Can't link directly as it is a blank map with extra coding so doesn't transfer well)
(https://i.ibb.co/9HgJrrYz/image.png) (https://ibb.co/9HgJrrYz)
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Why only two? Belgrade is in pot 2 already and Benfica and Porto are both in pot 1 so two from each pot means we could have all three in theory.
Apologies, context. Hope for all three then.
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A strong chance Maccabi Tel Aviv will qualify. I think they play their European games in Serbia. Of the countries left who could appear in the Europa, Azerbaijan is the furthest although Qarabağ are currently leading in their CL tie.
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Why only two? Belgrade is in pot 2 already and Benfica and Porto are both in pot 1 so two from each pot means we could have all three in theory.
Apologies, context. Hope for all three then.
You usually catch the things I do miss so I was wondering if there was a rule, or you meant playing all three either at home or away.
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Can we ask Roma not to play Leon Bailey against us?
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We can ask. They'll say no.
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Can we ask Roma not to play Leon Bailey against us?
If its the Leon of last season, we've probably got a clause in that he has to play if fit.
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Assuming Qarabag qualify for the Champions League (as they are 3-1 up), if Samsunspor overturn their one goal deficit against Panathinaikos, I think that would be the furthest possible trip. Samsun is on the Black Sea, but about 450 miles from Istanbul.
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Assuming Qarabag qualify for the Champions League (as they are 3-1 up), if Samsunspor overturn their one goal deficit against Panathinaikos, I think that would be the furthest possible trip. Samsun is on the Black Sea, but about 450 miles from Istanbul.
Also re Qarabag, would be nice to get to play a team with a name that sounds like a band which was low on the bill for the Sabbath farewell gig.
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Glad we're not playing on Saturday to make fancying around with flights easier.
I hope we're at home that first game in September.
I hope we’re away, my Wedding Anniversary is 25th.
Fancy getting married in the football season Chris! I ruled that out immediately.
October 26th 1991 was my wedding day. Think we beat Wimbledon 2-1.
One of the only handful of home games I've missed since.
Definitely terrible planning on my part.
Amazingly still married!
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Can we ask Roma not to play Leon Bailey against us?
If its the Leon of last season, we've probably got a clause in that he has to play if fit.
He’s out for 3 months
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A strong chance Maccabi Tel Aviv will qualify. I think they play their European games in Serbia. Of the countries left who could appear in the Europa, Azerbaijan is the furthest although Qarabağ are currently leading in their CL tie.
It's disgusting that any Israeli team is in the competition to start with.
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Celtic, Red Star Belgrade and Sturm Graz drop to Europa.
All located in shitholes where I don’t want to go😟
Belgrade, are you sure?!
Belgrade is said to be choc full of beautiful women.
Tel Aviv doesn't look too shabby either, and I've heard it has beautiful beaches.
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We wouldn't be playing in Tel Aviv. I'd rather avoid them all together as I could see a potential Villa Park game being played behind closed doors.
I believe this is the only time an Israeli team has played in the UK since the invasion of Gaza:
https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/scottish-fa-statement-scotland-v-israel/
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Aston Villa is pleased to announce a 20% discount on UEFA Europa League ticket packages for Season Ticket Holders and members.
As we embark on a third successive season in European competition, the club would like to reward the loyalty of supporters who wish to attend all four league phase matches and, once again, be a part of those unique European nights that have graced Villa Park over the past two years.
When purchasing a four-match bundle, Season Ticket holders will receive 20% off the previously announced Season Ticket Holder price. Members will receive 20% off the previously announced general admission price, while GA Plus members will also receive a discounted rate or 20% off the GA Plus general admission price.
Seasonal hospitality members who purchase additional European matches on a game-by-game basis will receive a 20% discount when buying all four Europa League home fixtures. Further information specific to hospitality members will be shared ahead of tickets going on sale.
Francesco Calvo, President of Business Operations, who met the newly-formed Fan Advisory Board for the first time last night and shared details of the offer, said: “We are proud to play European competitions but at the same time we are aware of how much it costs supporters to passionately support their team, so we wanted to reward the loyalty of those who are planning on attending all four games.
“I’m sure everyone is excited for the draw on Friday afternoon. I’m well aware of how special the atmosphere is at Villa Park on European nights and we are looking forward to what is hopefully another exciting European campaign for the club."
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I don’t think there’s any doubt that would be behind closed doors. As bronte says above I’m amazed Israel and its clubs haven’t been temporarily suspended from all competitions.
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Yep, ridiculous. What they're doing is even worse than what Russia are doing in Ukraine.
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UEFA saw one UEFA aligned country invade another UEFA aligned country and acted (reluctantly and also with potential political pressure from European countries at the time.)
As Palestine isn't even a recognised country by most of the world, and definitely not UEFA aligned, along with less political pressure from the countries comprising UEFA, they have set a precendent that war crimes is allowed by a member, as long as it is not UEFA aligned country.
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Celtic, Red Star Belgrade and Sturm Graz drop to Europa.
All located in shitholes where I don’t want to go😟
Glasgow's great mate, I'll give you the tour if we're drawn there! Graz is a great place too.
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Plzeň away please :praying emoji:
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Celtic, Red Star Belgrade and Sturm Graz drop to Europa.
All located in shitholes where I don’t want to go😟
Glasgow's great mate, I'll give you the tour if we're drawn there! Graz is a great place too.
Cheers fella and I know you will. I have some family living around Paisley Road West so been there and a night in Sauciehall street to remember.
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Celtic, Red Star Belgrade and Sturm Graz drop to Europa.
All located in shitholes where I don’t want to go😟
Belgrade, are you sure?!
Went there once and it wasn’t pleasant but prepared to have another go if you come as well😊
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Glad we're not playing on Saturday to make fancying around with flights easier.
I hope we're at home that first game in September.
I hope we’re away, my Wedding Anniversary is 25th.
Fancy getting married in the football season Chris! I ruled that out immediately.
October 26th 1991 was my wedding day. Think we beat Wimbledon 2-1.
One of the only handful of home games I've missed since.
Definitely terrible planning on my part.
Amazingly still married!
My wedding anniversary is Rotterdam day, so no excuses for forgetting. 😁
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I noticed Qarabağ almost threw it away, but Budapest (Ferencváros) added as another potential away destination.
And two shots at travelling to Glasgow.
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Celtic, Red Star Belgrade and Sturm Graz drop to Europa.
All located in shitholes where I don’t want to go😟
Belgrade, are you sure?!
Belgrade is said to be choc full of beautiful women.
It is what my Dad would refer to, in his 1950s slang, as 'a wanker's paradise'
I was there 40 years ago and thought it was pretty drab but a Yugoslavian tourist would have said the same about Brum back then.
Through Bulgarian mates I know a couple of Serbs and apparently it’s a great city now. Unless you’re a visiting football fan, in which case it is somewhat dicey.
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Celtic, Red Star Belgrade and Sturm Graz drop to Europa.
All located in shitholes where I don’t want to go😟
Belgrade, are you sure?!
Belgrade is said to be choc full of beautiful women.
It is what my Dad would refer to, in his 1950s slang, as 'a wanker's paradise'
I was there 40 years ago and thought it was pretty drab but a Yugoslavian tourist would have said the same about Brum back then.
Through Bulgarian mates I know a couple of Serbs and apparently it’s a great city now. Unless you’re a visiting football fan, in which case it is somewhat dicey.
There are quite a few outsource software dev companies in Serbia working in the gambling industry.
We worked with one a few years ago. We were working on one of the first live sports betting applications.
Part of it was providing live scoreboards for events in a range of sports, one of which was cricket.
Imagine trying to explain the rules of the various formats of cricket to a bunch of Serbs, especially when the data format supplied was monumentally shit.
In the end, it was so difficult, the bookie just ditched cricket from their live offering.
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Different stadium in Istanbul and Basel both in the mix
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So with Benfica winning does that put us in pot 1?
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I think so.
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Wiki has us confirmed in Pot 1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025%E2%80%9326_UEFA_Europa_League
Fenerbache the current furthest to travel to is in pot 2.
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It does, there’s no one who can win tonight and qualify for the Group Stage which would put us in Pot 2.
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If anyone's interested, here's (I think) the current list of players we can inevitably look forward to scoring against us / saving a penalty:
Leon Bailey (Roma)
Jan Bednarek (Porto)
Diego Carlos (Fenerbahçe)
Jhon Duran (Fenerbahçe)
Viljami Sinisalo (Celtic)
Douglas Luiz (Nottingham Forest)
Morgan Sanson (Nice)
Robin Olsen (Malmö, still TBC but pretty nailed on)
Feels like John Mellberg at RB Salzburg will also pop up for narrative reasons.
Various "are they still even playing football?" types who could trigger "oh, I remember him" thoughts include Xherdan Shaqiri, Marko Arnautovic, Mateij Vydra, Olivier Giroud, Marcos Alonso, João Moutinho, Pontus Jansson, Dejan Lovren and Isco.
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Good research, mate. Wouldn't be amazed to see our most recent former manager back at Ibrox before too long, either.
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Just a reminder:League phase
Matchday 1 24–25 September 2025
Matchday 2 2 October 2025
Matchday 3 23 October 2025
Matchday 4 6 November 2025
Matchday 5 27 November 2025
Matchday 6 11 December 2025
Matchday 7 22 January 2026
Matchday 8 29 January 2026
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Pot 1
(9) Italy Roma CC: 104.500
(18) Portugal Porto CC: 79.750
(25) Scotland Rangers CC: 71.750
(26) Netherlands Feyenoord CC: 71.000
(31) France Lille CC: 66.000
(38) Croatia Dinamo Zagreb CC: 56.000
(40) Spain Real Betis CC: 52.250
(44) Austria Red Bull Salzburg CC: 48.000
(46) England Aston Villa CC: 47.250
Pot 2
(47) Turkey Fenerbahçe CC: 47.250
(50) Serbia Red Star Belgrade CC: 44.000
(51) France Lyon CC: 43.750
(56) Czech Republic Viktoria Plzeň CC: 39.250
(57) Hungary Ferencváros CC: 39.000
(59) Scotland Celtic CC: 38.000
Pot 2/3
(66) Switzerland Basel CC: 33.000
(74) Germany SC Freiburg CC: 28.000
Pot 3
(new) England Nottingham Forest CC: 23.039
(81) Austria Sturm Graz CC: 23.000
(87) France Nice CC: 20.000
Pot 3/4
(89) Italy Bologna CC: 19.446
(new) Spain Celta Vigo CC: 18.890
(102) Germany VfB Stuttgart CC: 17.226
(123) Netherlands Go Ahead Eagles CC: 13.430
Pot 4
(189) Norway Brann CC: 7.937
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So we could actually get Forest then?
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So we could actually get Forest then?
It certainly possible that we could end up playing them at some point in the competition between September and May.
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So we could actually get Forest then?
Not in the group stage. Unless they’ve changed that rule.
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Just guessing at travel to some of the less known places. Correct me if I am wrong:
Viktoria Plzeň CC >> Prague
Freiburg CC >> Hamburg or Bremen
Celta Vigo >> Porto? Nearest Spanish airport?
Go Ahead Eagles >> Amsterdam
Brann >> Bergen or ??
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Just guessing at travel to some of the less known places. Correct me if I am wrong:
Real Betis >> Cadiz or Malaga
Surely Seville?! Cadiz doesn't have an airport (Jerez does, but it's tiny).
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Yes, ofcourse, it's Seville. Ta
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Freiburg CC >> Hamburg or Bremen
Basel, Stuttgart or Zurich are closest
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¡EuroCelta de nuevo por favor!
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Freiburg CC >> Hamburg or Bremen
Basel, Stuttgart or Zurich are closest
haha, yes. I shouldn't have reached for Freiburg, a suburb in Hamburg.
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Viktoria Plzeň CC >> Prague
Yes. It'll take about an hour to an hour and a half.
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Just guessing at travel to some of the less known places. Correct me if I am wrong:
Viktoria Plzeň CC >> Prague
Freiburg CC >> Hamburg or Bremen
Celta Vigo >> Porto? Nearest Spanish airport?
Go Ahead Eagles >> Amsterdam
Brann >> Bergen or ??
Airport in Vigo served by Ryanair but not every day. Santiago de Compostela has daily Ryanair flights - about an hour's drive to Vigo.
A few other possibles:
Braga are a cert - >>Porto
Genk are a cert - >> Eindhoven, Brussels
Midtjylland a cert - >> Aarhus
Ludogorets probable - >> Varna
Utrecht probable - >> Amsterdam
Malmo very likely - >> Copenhagen
FCSB likely - >> Bucharest
If Samsunspor get through - that is more of a challenge via Istanbul
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So we could actually get Forest then?
Not in the group stage. Unless they’ve changed that rule.
I don't think they have entirely. I think they have mentioned countries with five or six teams in the same competition could be matched in the League stages but not for us in Europa. In the champs league 3 English teams are in pot 1 (along with two from Spain, two German, France and Italy), so if they do have to have an all English league tie it might be between them.
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So this is how the pots should look for the draw.
Pot 1
Roma
Porto
Rangers
Feyenoord
Lille
Dinamo Zagreb
Real Betis
Salzburg
Aston Villa
Pot 2
Fenerbahce
Braga
Red Star Belgrade
Lyon
PAOK Salonika
Viktoria Plzen
Ferencvaros
Celtic
Maccabi Tel Aviv
Pot 3
Young Boys
Basel
Midtjylland
Freiburg
Ludogorets
Nottingham Forest
Sturm Graz
FCSB
Nice
Pot 4
Bologna
Celta Vigo
Stuttgart
Panathinaikos
Malmo
Go Ahead Eagles
Utrecht
Genk
Brann Bergen
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We will be at home in November to a team I want to watch when I am on holiday and at home to the genocidal twats when I'm not away but will be banned from attending.
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So we could actually get Forest then?
It certainly possible that we could end up playing them at some point in the competition between September and May.
Thank you Sir.
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It’s great for Freiburg. Keeping the dream alive.
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It’s great for Freiburg. Keeping the dream alive.
I recall that song being used as outro music in a Villa VHS - possibly The Villenium! Am sure it was narrated by some 'comic' presenter from the era who I can picture but whose name I don't recall.
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Dave Ismay?
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Dave Ismay?
Think it was Bob Mills. Not 100% sure of this or what video.... I'll have to Google, or leave as a quiz question for the anoraks on here - assuming I never dreamt it!
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Bob Mills the Palace fan?
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Orient.
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(https://i.ibb.co/wZx8T6k2/Screenshot-20250828-233930-Opera.jpg)
WANT: Porto, Feyenoord, Red Star.
DO NOT WANT: Maccabi or any team we have played before.
Away from home in November, ta.
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Can you make it bigger?
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I beg your pardon?
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I can't, no. Screenshots never work for me on here properly. You can view it below though...
https://bsky.app/profile/footrankings.bsky.social/post/3lxijh4nydf2p
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(https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:2gahntcyq6erf6ee5sosmwd2/bafkreigevnxhja2lzfxn7iln3ap3bumoq5helqskkdovsfwaxmdwhhn6zi@jpeg) (https://ibb.co/B2qRsJVb)
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I reckon we’ll see Duran at Villa Park and we’ll get a trip to Scotland.
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Our old friends Celta Vigo.
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Hoping for a trip to Bologna. But yeah, would be nice to see Celta Vigo again also.
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Could have three away trips to a 100km area on the north Portual Spain border with Porto, Braga and Celta.
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I don't think I have missed any but three teams in there we played last year and a fourth added from two season ago.
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Most recent competitive meetings:
Rangers 1887 (counting the old club)
Fenerbahçe 1977
FCSB 1997 (counting the old club)
Celta Vigo 2000
Basel 2001
Lille 2024
Young Boys Berne 2024
Bologna 2024
Celtic 2025
Nottingham Forest 2025
I don't think we have met any of the others.
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Us and Forest should be pissing the league stage given our resources compared to everyone else.
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Most recent competitive meetings:
Rangers 1887 (counting the old club)
Fenerbahçe 1977
FCSB 1997 (counting the old club)
Celta Vigo 2000
Basel 2001
Lille 2024
Young Boys Berne 2024
Celtic 2025
Nottingham Forest 2025
I don't think we have met any of the others.
Bologna 2024.
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Oophs thought I had added them, ta.
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Us and Forest should be pissing the league stage given our resources compared to everyone else.
Some tough away trips in there though. Should be looking to win all four home games if possible.
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Us and Forest should be pissing the league stage given our resources compared to everyone else.
Some tough away trips in there though. Should be looking to win all four home games if possible.
Agree with this. Last season was
H W3 D1 L0
A W2 D0 L2
We should be aiming for better with a “lower” quality of opposition.
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Seems like only yesterday that we were going out to Celta Vigo at the Hawthorns and the referee was making it up as he went along. 25 years!
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Just done a quick check on potential away allocations at all the grounds in the draw, there's a few where it'll be 600 or less but the majority are in excess of 1,500 tickets with quite a lot above 2,500 tickets as well.
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Bit of Rangers please, we might see a goal.
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Seems like only yesterday that we were going out to Celta Vigo at the Hawthorns and the referee was making it up as he went along. 25 years!
Seems like only last year when we were besides ourselves with excitement for the CL draw.
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I know it feels like a step backwards but it is still exciting - there are many teams that would love to be in our position today.
Lets not turn into the clubs we despise due to our "entitlement" - we have been in it once. For us to finish top 4 a season ago was nothing short of miraculous and clearly upset a lot of stakeholders in the cartel.
For us then to get to the last 8 of Champs league, FA cup semi final and still finish 6th is an even better set of results. The last game was awful and leaves a horrible taste in the mouth but lets not forget what we have actually achieved.
I am sure once the window closes and we have a couple in, get our first win we will be back being a serious player that we know we are.
UTV
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Well said Hookey
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I love European games. Much more interested in watching some Czech/Italian/Turkish team that I've never seen before than watching us play Man U or Everton for the millionth time. The Sunday kick offs they cause are a pain but I would still much rather be in Europe than not.
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I think it's more the way we finished the season that had so much promise, topped off with the performance against the worst man u team in living memory... a win on Sunday, a couple of signings and things will feel a lot better.
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I know it feels like a step backwards but it is still exciting - there are many teams that would love to be in our position today.
Lets not turn into the clubs we despise due to our "entitlement" - we have been in it once. For us to finish top 4 a season ago was nothing short of miraculous and clearly upset a lot of stakeholders in the cartel.
For us then to get to the last 8 of Champs league, FA cup semi final and still finish 6th is an even better set of results. The last game was awful and leaves a horrible taste in the mouth but lets not forget what we have actually achieved.
I am sure once the window closes and we have a couple in, get our first win we will be back being a serious player that we know we are.
UTV
Bang on.
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From the UEFA website.
Aston Villa (ENG)
UEFA coefficient ranking: 42
How they qualified: Sixth in England
Last season: Champions League quarter-final (L4-5agg vs Paris)
Best UEFA Cup/Europa League performance: Quarter-finals (1977/78, 1997/98)
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No matter what happened at the end of last season (it was shit), its happened, we can't change it and wallowing in it isn't going to move us forwards. Despite all of it, we're back in Europe, the draw coming up shortly against some tasty European opposition. This is what being a big football club is all about, testing yourself against Europe, I cant fucking wait.
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Very excited for this. Somewhere sunny please.
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I try not to get too downbeat about that defeat in the last game of last season, as I have a sense that if we had been doing better at OT then Newcastle on the day would have found it within themselves to have done better than to lose their game at home v Everton.
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Very excited for this.
Same here. Bring it on.
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Every UEFA draw is dragged out interminably.
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Bluenoses complaining on the BBC page.
What is this, national Aston Villa day?
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Bluenoses complaining on the BBC page.
What is this, national Aston Villa day?
Watch it and weep you Bluenose twats.
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It was the page writer, who apparently is an Oxford fan.
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Why have they got Klinsmann? It's not a diving competition.
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It was the page writer, who apparently is an Oxford fan.
He still hasn't got over us knocking them out of the League Cup in 2002.
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A fucking magician. Get on with it.
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Time for some real magic
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Big of magic to start proceedings 🙄
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C'mon pull some doves out of those balls.
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AldridgeVilla has missed out on this gig.
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It was the page writer, who apparently is an Oxford fan.
He still hasn't got over us knocking them out of the League Cup in 2002.
Or mercilessly abusing their bald keeper in the early 90's.
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Shades of Royal Variety 1987.
Although if Bert Millichip could always draw us away, maybe he was a member of the Magic Circle as well.
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Are they going to assign match days to the drawn teams as the draw happens?
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excruciating
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Are they going to assign match days to the drawn teams as the draw happens?
No that happens afterwards, we just know which teams we’ve got home or away.
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Do not let that magician borrow your laptop, ever.
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That was for all the kids in the audience and Marinakis
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Are they going to assign match days to the drawn teams as the draw happens?
Should get the match days although won't be set in stone Not until tomorrow. First matchweek could be a Wed/Thurs though
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Waiting for this Magician to pull out a ball with Man Utd on it!
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I could literally see him put the ball in his jacket there. Boooooooo.
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Are they going to assign match days to the drawn teams as the draw happens?
Should get the match days although won't be set in stone Not until tomorrow. First matchweek could be a Wed/Thurs though
Might not be, the BBC reckons the fixtures will be announced by Sunday.
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Well Rangers and Celtic aways have gone.
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Are they going to assign match days to the drawn teams as the draw happens?
Should get the match days although won't be set in stone Not until tomorrow. First matchweek could be a Wed/Thurs though
The BBC reckons the fixtures won't be announced until Sunday.
Your man doing the draw said Sunday too.
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At latest was the wording.
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So we will know at least two opponents before Jurgen presses for us.
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So we're not playing Rangers
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Roma 2 trips to Glasgow
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Feyornord Away.
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A trip to De Kuip!!!
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Feyenoord away
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So we're not playing Rangers
Good
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We've avoided the 'main' teams in Pot 1
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A trip to De Kuip!!!
At least it's a short trip.
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Glad we missed Lille and Roma
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Roma 2 trips to Glasgow
Christ, that could go very very badly.
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Still on with Celtic at home.
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Salzburg at home then.
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Salzburg (H)
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Salzburg here
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Weren’t they in club World Cup ?
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Here we go ...
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Tel Aviv (H) !!!!
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And now the rest.
Tel aviv at home. Duran away.
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Toughies
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Home Tel Aviv FFS
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Old friends Young Boys and Bologna both H
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Salzburg at home then.
Music to my ears.
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I’d say that was a reasonable draw.
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Home Tel Aviv FFS
Would this be behind closed doors?
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Bologna in Brum AGAIN. FUCK.
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Meh, back to Holland twice again and Switzerland. Not been to Istanbul so will be interesting.
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Maccabi behind closed doors, Bologna who we played last season, Young Boys who we played last season and Salzburg who are dull are the home games. Dreadful.
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Home Tel Aviv FFS
Would this be behind closed doors?
I don't see why it would be.
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Not too bad.
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There isn’t anyone to be afraid of.
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Home Tel Aviv FFS
Would this be behind closed doors?
I don't see why it would be.
If anything it will be home fans only if it’s a security concern.
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Away at Fenerbahçe isn't a picnic.
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Home Tel Aviv FFS
Would this be behind closed doors?
I don't see why it would be.
Scotland vs Israel women was behind closed doors. I can't see why this wouldn't be.
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Home Tel Aviv FFS
Would this be behind closed doors?
I don't see why it would be.
There was one last year in Belgium, but I dont see why that would be the case here.
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Feynoord away and Fenderbache away probably the two toughest. Could well be crowd trouble with Maccabi though.
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Home Tel Aviv FFS
Would this be behind closed doors?
I don't see why it would be.
If anything it will be home fans only if it’s a security concern.
That would be a good compromise.
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Fenerbache away is tough.
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Salzburg, Feyenord, and Fernerbahce are kind of interesting - the rest is pretty ho hum, I think.
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At least I can tick Feyenoord off my former European Cup Winners list.
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Believe guys with the power of music
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Might not be, the BBC reckons the fixtures will be announced by Sunday.
Typical UEFA, working in collusion with Airlines and Eurostar.
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Fenerbache away is tough.
I don't fancy our chances against Go Ahead Eagles.
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Piss easy
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Fenerbache away is tough.
I don't fancy our chances against Go Ahead Eagles.
Pretty arrogant of them to alreasy assume that they'll take the lead.
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The 4 home draws aren't particularly exciting- but then I'd much prefer to roll everybody over and pick up 12 points than have too much drama.
Go Ahead Eagles means another trip to the Dam it would seem. Will stay in Rotterdam for Feyenoord. Basel will be fine.
Fenerbache might be a bit tasty.
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Those going to Fenerbache can scout Istanbul ahead of the final.
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Swap the home and the away games round please.
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I see 24 points.
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Weird cover of Imagine Dragons there.
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Maybe I’m a bit dull, but I’ll take the dull games if it gets us to the knock out stages.
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Back to the De Kuip stadium after 43 years. Much changed of course.
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Could be a lot worse, I guess Fenerbahce arguably the toughest fixture. Let’s not get all cocky though!
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Fenerbache away is tough.
I don't fancy our chances against Go Ahead Eagles.
Pretty arrogant of them to alreasy assume that they'll take the lead.
We'll beat them without having to take off. Not to crow about it
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Any idea of likely away allocations
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Home Tel Aviv FFS
Would this be behind closed doors?
I don't see why it would be.
If anything it will be home fans only if it’s a security concern.
That would be a good compromise.
Playing behind closed doors would advantage them
And we'd also lose gate receipts etc.
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Nobody wanted to be drawn against us.
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Could be a lot worse, I guess Fenerbahce arguably the toughest fixture. Let’s not get all cocky though!
Managerless Fenerbache following Mourinho's sacking yesterday.
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Had hoped for Salzburg away and add a cheeky weekend skiing on the end!
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Nobody wanted to be drawn against us.
Except the away team fans who have to experience the majestic place
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Home Tel Aviv FFS
Would this be behind closed doors?
I don't see why it would be.
If anything it will be home fans only if it’s a security concern.
That would be a good compromise.
Playing behind closed doors would advantage them
And we'd also lose gate receipts etc.
Which UEFA won't consider at all when they announce that it's behind closed doors. They even made Besiktas move a home game against them out of Istanbul last season. Rewarding them for committing genocide in Gaza.
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Home Tel Aviv FFS
Would this be behind closed doors?
I don't see why it would be.
If anything it will be home fans only if it’s a security concern.
That would be a good compromise.
Playing behind closed doors would advantage them
And we'd also lose gate receipts etc.
I thought that, surely UEFA would have to compensate us?
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Could be a lot worse, I guess Fenerbahce arguably the toughest fixture. Let’s not get all cocky though!
Managerless Fenerbache following Mourinho's sacking yesterday.
With young plucky striker Jhon Duran.
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Could be a lot worse, I guess Fenerbahce arguably the toughest fixture. Let’s not get all cocky though!
Managerless Fenerbache following Mourinho's sacking yesterday.
With young plucky striker Jhon Duran.
Who’ll attack the game with his usual guile and either score a 55 metre worldie or get sent off after 90 seconds.
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Easy draw but no sexy opposition. Overall you'd take it. No excuses for Sunday hangovers in the subsequent league games. Apart from the away one after coming back from Turkiye.
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Those going to Fenerbache can scout Istanbul ahead of the final.
Yeah, it'll mean two trips to Istanbul just like we did with Athe.....
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Could be a lot worse, I guess Fenerbahce arguably the toughest fixture. Let’s not get all cocky though!
Managerless Fenerbache following Mourinho's sacking yesterday.
With young plucky striker Jhon Duran.
Don't forget Carlos...although he can't get a game.
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If Villa Park is forced to close for that one home game, I'm sure the club would ask to be compensated.
Potentially, it could be more troublesome than the L Warsaw fixture.
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Fenabache just sacked Mourinho
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Forest have nice away trips, rubbing salt into Palace's wounds.
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^^^Not if we don't give them any tickets, which I'd imagine will be police advice.
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If Villa Park is forced to close for that one home game, I'm sure the club would ask to be compensated.
Potentially, it could be more troublesome than the L Warsaw fixture.
Why would it? We're more than capable or rather WMP are, of handling Stone Island type away followings be it Small Heath, Legia or this lot.
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^^^Not if we don't give them any tickets, which I'd imagine will be police advice.
Still loads of potential for pitch invasions/protests, which is why Scotland women were behind closed doors. No fans will be attending that game.
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There could potentially be a lot of locals protesting as well being as several murals depict support for Palestine and the local MP is an independent who campaigned on the Gaza conflict.
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If Villa Park is forced to close for that one home game, I'm sure the club would ask to be compensated.
Potentially, it could be more troublesome than the L Warsaw fixture.
Why would it? We're more than capable or rather WMP are, of handling Stone Island type away followings be it Small Heath, Legia or this lot.
I'd imagine it'd be as much about them being targetted as them being twats. Although they are twats.
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Bit naughty of the UEFA draw hosts to say that Red Bull Salzburg had contested the UEFA Cup final in 1994.
That was Austria Salzburg, whose name and club colours the ever odious Red Bull removed when they took over and rebranded the team in 2005.
Thankfully, a new Austria Salzburg phoenix club was formed almost immediately and they have just gained promotion to the Austrian second division.
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^^^Not if we don't give them any tickets, which I'd imagine will be police advice.
Still loads of potential for pitch invasions/protests, which is why Scotland women were behind closed doors. No fans will be attending that game.
Give over.
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If Villa Park is forced to close for that one home game, I'm sure the club would ask to be compensated.
Potentially, it could be more troublesome than the L Warsaw fixture.
Why would it? We're more than capable or rather WMP are, of handling Stone Island type away followings be it Small Heath, Legia or this lot.
I'd imagine it'd be as much about them being targetted as them being twats. Although they are twats.
Targeted by who?
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Should be plenty of scope in those fixtures to be giving some minutes to some of the younger players which would be good.
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I hope Fenerbache is the first one up so we can get a bit of late September heat.
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Home fans only vs Maccabi, simples!
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I don't think the Tel Aviv game will even be played in the UK. There's going to be problems wherever they play but no way that game happens in Birmingham.
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It kicked off in Amsterdam last season when Maccabi played Ajax.
Might be easier/better to ban their supporters and for West Mids' Finest to pile in with full force if any make themselves visible.
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https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/scottish-fa-statement-scotland-v-israel/
If they can't allow the 5,000 or so that usually attend Scotland women games they aren't going to allow 40,000 Villa fans to attend.
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Feyenoord away will tug on the heart-strings too!
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https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/scottish-fa-statement-scotland-v-israel/
If they can't allow the 5,000 or so that usually attend Scotland women games they aren't going to allow 40,000 Villa fans to attend.
But their qualifying fixtures had fans in attendance.
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https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/scottish-fa-statement-scotland-v-israel/
If they can't allow the 5,000 or so that usually attend Scotland women games they aren't going to allow 40,000 Villa fans to attend.
But their qualifying fixtures had fans in attendance.
In the UK?
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I dont think the Free Palestine mob has much of constituency in the sort of lads who like to dress moodily and give Celtic a good hiding. A Palestinian flag was pulled down outside of Rosies before Ajax the other season.
The 4-500 they might bring would be a probelm regardless as they have a reputation for being dickheads, but its nothing that couldn't be handled or seen before.
I think folks should calm down.
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In other european news.
Crystal Palace play AZ Alkmaar, Kups Kuopio and AEK Larnaca at home - and Dynamo Kyiv, Strasbourg and Shelbourne away.
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Bologna in Brum AGAIN. FUCK.
That is the biggest injustice suffered by us fans. This SHOULD have been away.
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No its a shite away ground.
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My heart bleeds for all the fans that get to attend all our away games.
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No its a shite away ground.
The ground is the least of the considerations here man.
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I dont think the Free Palestine mob has much of constituency in the sort of lads who like to dress moodily and give Celtic a good hiding. A Palestinian flag was pulled down outside of Rosies before Ajax the other season.
The 4-500 they might bring would be a probelm regardless as they have a reputation for being dickheads, but its nothing that couldn't be handled or seen before.
I think folks should calm down.
Personally I think it shouldn't be a problem and certainly it's not their away fans who will be troublesome. It's our own left and right dickheads who egged on by the Press will turn up in numbers to face each other and could mess things up.
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I dont think the Free Palestine mob has much of constituency in the sort of lads who like to dress moodily and give Celtic a good hiding. A Palestinian flag was pulled down outside of Rosies before Ajax the other season.
The 4-500 they might bring would be a probelm regardless as they have a reputation for being dickheads, but its nothing that couldn't be handled or seen before.
I think folks should calm down.
Personally I think it shouldn't be a problem and certainly it's not their away fans who will be troublesome. It's our own left and right dickheads who egged on by the Press will turn up in numbers to face each other and could mess things up.
It could really easily be their away fans who are a problem.
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No its a shite away ground.
The ground is the least of the considerations here man.
It's pasta it's best.
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I think it will be played behind closed doors because the police won't want potential protests and counter protests to be mixed into 40k odd attending the match. Which is kind of what aftab said.
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I do expect fighting between people who might decide to protest over the plight of the palestinians about the famine inducing actions of the IDF there, and Ads when he tells them all they are being anti-semitic, the definitions which mean it isn't a genocide and that they are being brainwashed by Iran and Qatar.
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I dont think the Free Palestine mob has much of constituency in the sort of lads who like to dress moodily and give Celtic a good hiding. A Palestinian flag was pulled down outside of Rosies before Ajax the other season.
The 4-500 they might bring would be a probelm regardless as they have a reputation for being dickheads, but its nothing that couldn't be handled or seen before.
I think folks should calm down.
Personally I think it shouldn't be a problem and certainly it's not their away fans who will be troublesome. It's our own left and right dickheads who egged on by the Press will turn up in numbers to face each other and could mess things up.
It could really easily be their away fans who are a problem.
And a combination of all three sounds like an easy decision for WMP.
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I'm struggling to see why the police would ban 5,000 or so Scotland women fans from attending a match against Israeli opposition but be perfectly fine with 40,000 Villa suppprters doing so.
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^^^Not if we don't give them any tickets, which I'd imagine will be police advice.
And also it is likely that police are unlikely to give permission for any demos around Villa Park on match day.
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I dont think the Free Palestine mob has much of constituency in the sort of lads who like to dress moodily and give Celtic a good hiding. A Palestinian flag was pulled down outside of Rosies before Ajax the other season.
The 4-500 they might bring would be a probelm regardless as they have a reputation for being dickheads, but its nothing that couldn't be handled or seen before.
I think folks should calm down.
Have you considered the likely peaceful protests blocking the turnstiles to enforce a boycott of Israel?
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I think it will be played behind closed doors because the police won't want potential protests and counter protests to be mixed into 40k odd attending the match. Which is kind of what aftab said.
Would be a ridiculous decision.
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I'm struggling to see why the police would ban 5,000 or so Scotland fans from attending a match against Israeli opposition but be perfectly fine with 40,000 Villa fans doing so.
Maybe because the Scottish 5000 were much much sympathetic to the Palestine cause and 40K at Villa will not be that bothered?
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No its a shite away ground.
The ground is the least of the considerations here man.
Bologna's stadium is in a beautiful location, right at the foot of the frescoed portico leading up to Sancutuario de San Luca.
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It could really easily be their away fans who are a problem.
Oh ok, I know very little about their fans behaviour.
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They would be all over Birmingham looking to tear down Palestine flags and fight locals, then scream antisemitism if anyone fights back.
In the (IMO) unlikely event that the match is played with a crowd, they must be banned from attending.
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I dont think the Free Palestine mob has much of constituency in the sort of lads who like to dress moodily and give Celtic a good hiding. A Palestinian flag was pulled down outside of Rosies before Ajax the other season.
The 4-500 they might bring would be a probelm regardless as they have a reputation for being dickheads, but its nothing that couldn't be handled or seen before.
I think folks should calm down.
Have you considered the likely peaceful protests blocking the turnstiles to enforce a boycott of Israel?
Good luck to anyone trying to stop 42k Villa fans from trying to get into the ground if the game is on.
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I dont think the Free Palestine mob has much of constituency in the sort of lads who like to dress moodily and give Celtic a good hiding. A Palestinian flag was pulled down outside of Rosies before Ajax the other season.
The 4-500 they might bring would be a probelm regardless as they have a reputation for being dickheads, but its nothing that couldn't be handled or seen before.
I think folks should calm down.
Have you considered the likely peaceful protests blocking the turnstiles to enforce a boycott of Israel?
Good luck to anyone trying to stop 42k Villa fans from trying to get into the ground if the game is on.
Yes, there is no history whatsoever this decade of Villa playing matches behind closed doors.
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I'm struggling to see why the police would ban 5,000 or so Scotland women fans from attending a match against Israeli opposition but be perfectly fine with 40,000 Villa suppprters doing so.
Because the Scots are more troublesome than Brummies. That's why the Romans gave up on the idea of conquering them.
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I'm struggling to see why the police would ban 5,000 or so Scotland women fans from attending a match against Israeli opposition but be perfectly fine with 40,000 Villa suppprters doing so.
Because the Scots are more troublesome than Brummies. That's why the Romans gave up on the idea of conquering them.
Was actually because the Dacians kept kicking off and Rome decided their troops were more valuable there than in Caledonia.
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I dont think the Free Palestine mob has much of constituency in the sort of lads who like to dress moodily and give Celtic a good hiding. A Palestinian flag was pulled down outside of Rosies before Ajax the other season.
The 4-500 they might bring would be a probelm regardless as they have a reputation for being dickheads, but its nothing that couldn't be handled or seen before.
I think folks should calm down.
Have you considered the likely peaceful protests blocking the turnstiles to enforce a boycott of Israel?
Good luck to anyone trying to stop 42k Villa fans from trying to get into the ground if the game is on.
Yes, there is no history whatsoever this decade of Villa playing matches behind closed doors.
I think Wolfman is stating if the match is open but people try to block the open turnstiles in a protest. I doubt 42k would travel if it is a closed door match.
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I'm struggling to see why the police would ban 5,000 or so Scotland women fans from attending a match against Israeli opposition but be perfectly fine with 40,000 Villa suppprters doing so.
Because the Scots are more troublesome than Brummies. That's why the Romans gave up on the idea of conquering them.
Picts
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I'll be very surprised if the game even goes ahead at Villa Park. Organised protests, emboldened and angry locals, disagreements amongst supporters.
Nah, that match ain't happening in B6.
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I dont think the Free Palestine mob has much of constituency in the sort of lads who like to dress moodily and give Celtic a good hiding. A Palestinian flag was pulled down outside of Rosies before Ajax the other season.
The 4-500 they might bring would be a probelm regardless as they have a reputation for being dickheads, but its nothing that couldn't be handled or seen before.
I think folks should calm down.
Have you considered the likely peaceful protests blocking the turnstiles to enforce a boycott of Israel?
Good luck to anyone trying to stop 42k Villa fans from trying to get into the ground if the game is on.
Yes, there is no history whatsoever this decade of Villa playing matches behind closed doors.
I think Wolfman is stating if the match is open but people try to block the open turnstiles in a protest. I doubt 42k would travel if it is a closed door match.
Yeah, and the turnstiles would be closed. I can't see 40,000 turning up with ladders.
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We're 6/1 favourites with the (British) bookies. I don't like that at all.
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We were favourites in the Conference League I think.
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Wouldn’t be wanting to pay for the Europa League package at the prices Villa have offered.
If these were PL opposition, the price category would be the lowest possible considering the quality of our opponents.
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We were favourites in the Conference League I think.
Yes, we were.
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The powers that be need to balance the volume of largely innocent domestically based away fans who fancy a day out in Birmingham against the pro-Palestinian supporters who'll want to make their voices heard. On a much smaller scale there are regular protests that provide inconvenience at Israeli-owned military drone manufacturer Ebit Systems in Shenstone, plus on an even smaller scale 4 broke into Moog in Wolverhampton last weekend, so potential is there.
All tickets must be sold to registered members. WMP can invoke section powers a mile or so around the ground to prevent protest & any subsequent congestion, plus have to manage where Maccabi stay as that could well be a target.
To play behind closed doors is a cheap way out, but I can see it happening just to avoid the smallest powder keg.
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^^^Not if we don't give them any tickets, which I'd imagine will be police advice.
And also it is likely that police are unlikely to give permission for any demos around Villa Park on match day.
93-94 away shirts all round
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Interesting reporting on the draw from the Mail & Athletic guys…Maccabi gets barely mentioned but glossed over…no doubt waiting for Villa to give a party line to follow.
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Good draw, anything less than 17 points would be piss poor, and should be more.
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Home fans only vs Maccabi, simples!
Simplest would have been if Israeli teams had been banned in the first place.
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I do expect fighting between people who might decide to protest over the plight of the palestinians about the famine inducing actions of the IDF there, and Ads when he tells them all they are being anti-semitic, the definitions which mean it isn't a genocide and that they are being brainwashed by Iran and Qatar.
I'll be there to watch us get three points.
If I could live anywhere rent free, I wouldn't have chosen your head though.
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As they haven't banned the clubs the sensible thing for Uefa would be to ban all away fans for Maccabi matches.
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As long as we can be there. Villa Park is a very easy ground to police though, so Im sure they could manage the challenge of escorting 500-ish away fans.
I'm not sure what the appetite would be for protests if its pissing it down and 2° in November or December, but its nothing WMP couldn't handle, as they seem perfectly capable of managing other protests or high risk games.
A night game against the Noses would be infinitely moodier.
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For Maccabi's last European away game last season, Bodo/Glimt donated all the ticket revenue to Gaza
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That would be a good idea, if UEFA would still allow us to add the totals to our FFP/PSR/CSR accounts 😀
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Fenerbache away is tough.
I don't fancy our chances against Go Ahead Eagles.
They’re not the force they were since changing their name from Be Quick
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These are the squad values according to Transfermarkt.
Fenerbahce - €299m
Bologna - €282m
Feyenoord - €218.35m
Salzburg - €121m
Basel - €68.2m
Young Boys - €66.8m
Go Ahead Eagles - €28.25
Maccabi Tel Aviv - €27.53
Aston Villa €491m
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Where do Maccabi play their home games in this competition?
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These are the squad values according to Transfermarkt.
Fenerbahce - €299m
Bologna - €282m
Feyenoord - €218.35m
Salzburg - €121m
Basel - €68.2m
Young Boys - €66.8m
Go Ahead Eagles - €28.25
Maccabi Tel Aviv - €27.53
Aston Villa €491m
So you're saying there's a chance.
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Reports by the New Israel Fund have found Maccabi Tel Aviv as having the second-most racist fans in Israel, behind Beitar Jerusalem.
Fans have been known to yell racist slurs and insults at Arab and black players. Players on the team often face racist abuse from the team's own fans. Fans would yell anti-Arab slurs at Maharan Radi, an Arab player, and yell monkey noises at Baruch Dego, an Ethiopian-Jewish player.
During the 2020–2021 protests against Benjamin Netanyahu, Maccabi fans attacked protestors with batons and broken bottles.
In November 2024, Maccabi fans clashed with pro-Palestinian protestors in Amsterdam after a match against Ajax. Prior to the clashes Maccabi fans attacked Arab residents of the city, stole and burned Palestinian flags, and yelled anti-Palestinian chants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabi_Tel_Aviv_F.C.
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Well, they sound nice.
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"You're just a slightly less racist Beitar Jerusalem". Give me 48 hours and I'll make it scan.
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Where do Maccabi play their home games in this competition?
All four of their 'home' games in the Europa League last season were held in Belgrade at Partizan's ground.
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That's a great idea. Whatevers decided re the fixture, I'll personally be looking for every opportunity possible to protest these genocidal arseholes.
Israeli clubs should be banned from UEFA and all international competition until their country stops murdering babies and gets rid of apartheid.
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“Hang on, I thought we were Beitar Jerusalem”
“No, we’re the Jerusalem Beitars”
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The videos that were circulating from Amsterdam of what they were doing, and then the retribution, were pretty unpleasant.
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The risk re the Maccabi game is pretty obvious in a city which is almost 25% Muslim and tensions are understandably so high.
It’s not even about a few hundred away fans. It’s about the wider question of the match becoming a flashpoint.
Put it this way, at WMP hq or at the Home Office, which of those four home games do we think will have people raising an eyebrow?
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A fucking magician. Get on with it.
wash your mouth out with soap Ads :)
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AldridgeVilla has missed out on this gig.
Bloody did!! Im outraged lol
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“Hang on, I thought we were Beitar Jerusalem”
“No, we’re the Jerusalem Beitars”
SPLITTERS!!!!
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Palestinian 🇵🇸 tifo anyone?
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Couldn't we get Robbie Keane to calm tensions, he has represented both clubs after all. Apparently it was one of his many football-related boyhood dreams to lead from the Tel Aviv sidelines.
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I don't think the fans on either side would be a particular problem or difficult to control. It's the mixture of pro-Palestinian, antisemitic, far right protesters who will use the match as an excuse to turn up to state their case, that has the real potential for problems.
If the game is played behind closed doors, I suspect this lot will turn up anyway. I wouldn't guarantee the safety of any coach driving in or around the stadium.
There will be plenty of voices calling on us to boycott the game saying we're condoning what's happening in Gaza.
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Abso bloody lutely. As has been pointed out though, anything like that won't go uncontested among our own fan base. Needs the club on board. Local political pressure will be brought to bear you'd imagine/hope
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If I buy the bundle, will I still get points towards the season ticket waiting list if I don’t attend v Tel Aviv?
I don’t mind going but there’s no way my kids will be in the same postcode as their sub-human filth fans. I think I’d rather we’d drawn Rangers!
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There will be plenty of voices calling on us to boycott the game saying we're condoning what's happening in Gaza.
Yup. Obviously there's lots of "why are Israel (i clubs) still allowed in UEFA when Russia (n ones) aren't?" discourse, and the only reason is that the FAs of a dozen countries refused to play against the Russian sides so UEFA was left with the choice of kicking one out or twelve out.
So if we did feel strongly enough about it there's always a stand we could take if we wanted to...
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Couldn't we get Robbie Keane to calm tensions, he has represented both clubs after all. Apparently it was one of his many football-related boyhood dreams to lead from the Tel Aviv sidelines.
I don't think he would want to be involved.
"In November 2024, Keane's wife said that the family were still receiving threats from a small number of pro-Palestine activists, which had made her doubt their safety in Ireland. While he was targeted in Ireland for not leaving Israel during the war, he was also criticised within Israel for not endorsing the war."
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2024/11/13/robbie-keanes-wife-accuses-pro-palestinian-campaigners-of-provoking-a-witch-hunt-against-him/
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"Every individual, be it in Palestine or elsewhere, has the right to security, a loving home, and opportunities to grow."
Mainz informed El Ghazi that they intended to terminate his contract due to his social media post.
"I do not distance myself from what I said and stand for humanity and on the side of the oppressed until the last day I breathe."
In November 2023, El Ghazi announced that he would be taking Mainz to the Labour Court of Mainz for wrongful dismissal. On 12 July 2024, the Labour Court ruled that El Ghazi was unfairly dismissed by Mainz. Mainz were ordered to pay El Ghazi €1.5 million compensation. On 23 August, El Ghazi confirmed that he had received the €1.5 million compensation ordered by the court, of which he would donate €0.5 million to children in Gaza; He said he would like to thank Mainz for funding "projects for children in Gaza" and "in attempting to silence me, making my voice even louder for the oppressed and voiceless in Gaza".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_El_Ghazi
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Couldn't we get Robbie Keane to calm tensions, he has represented both clubs after all. Apparently it was one of his many football-related boyhood dreams to lead from the Tel Aviv sidelines.
Won’t he be a bit busy on the Thursday nights with Ferencvaros being in one of the two competitions:-)
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If I buy the bundle, will I still get points towards the season ticket waiting list if I don’t attend v Tel Aviv?
I don’t mind going but there’s no way my kids will be in the same postcode as their sub-human filth fans. I think I’d rather we’d drawn Rangers!
Plenty of Israelis don’t support what is happening.
Also words like sub-human really don’t do much to dispel the anti semitic defence either.
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The players will have strong opinions on this too.
If it goes ahead, it will be the last group stage game.
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The players will have strong opinions on this too.
Will they?
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The players will have strong opinions on this too.
Will they?
Some massive wish fulfilment going on in this thread. Just bore off with it, ban them if you must and let the rest of us watch some nobodies get a good hiding at Villa Park.
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Uninspiring away fixtures - Bologna away would have been lovely as would Salzburg.
Go Ahead Eagles garden shed, Boring Basle, Fenerbahçe not for the faint hearted, Rotterdam- despite the historic link a pretty hum drum town thanks to the Luftwaffe
After last seasons CL thrills its a bit after The Lord Mayors show.
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As been said this can be done as policing Villa Park to keep out ProPals and Fascists/Patriots is fairly easy. Residents to the north and west of Villa Park are really pleasant people who will not congregate/march towards the ground. Their homes to them are more important. So ban demos anywhere within 1/2 mile of VP. And yes UEFA banning their away idiots (so I am told and I am not being anti-Semitic) would be good news.
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If I buy the bundle, will I still get points towards the season ticket waiting list if I don’t attend v Tel Aviv?
I don’t mind going but there’s no way my kids will be in the same postcode as their sub-human filth fans. I think I’d rather we’d drawn Rangers!
Plenty of Israelis don’t support what is happening.
Also words like sub-human really don’t do much to dispel the anti semitic defence either.
A large majority of Israelis support the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. This has been shown in polls.
As for sub human, wait until you hear what the Tel Aviv fans chant.
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Uninspiring away fixtures - Bologna away would have been lovely as would Salzburg.
Go Ahead Eagles garden shed, Boring Basle, Fenerbahçe not for the faint hearted, Rotterdam- despite the historic link a pretty hum drum town thanks to the Luftwaffe
After last seasons CL thrills its a bit after The Lord Mayors show.
I know CL is just different but in terms of cities we travelled to last season in the League phase were not that inspiring. Brugge, Berne. Leipzig and awful Monaco.
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The players will have strong opinions on this too.
Will they?
My sentiments exactly, some may have feelings on the subject but I’d guess most just want to play football.
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Their homes to them are more important. So ban demos anywhere within 1/2 mile of VP. And yes UEFA banning their away idiots (so I am told and I am not being anti-Semitic) would be good news.
Hardly antisemitic to say Tel Aviv fans are hooligan and racists. It's a plain fact.
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Maccabi clubs tend to be on the right of Israeli politics (Hapoel clubs tend to be more centrist/lefty). MTA seem to be to the right of all the other already quite right wing Maccabi teams. They're overwhelmingly pro-genocide and there is not the slightest doubt they will look to harass and attack Muslims and anyone they deem as being "pro-Palestine" if they come to Birmingham.
There is also not the slightest doubt that Brummies and other Villa fans who stand up to them will be castigated as antisemitic.
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If I buy the bundle, will I still get points towards the season ticket waiting list if I don’t attend v Tel Aviv?
I don’t mind going but there’s no way my kids will be in the same postcode as their sub-human filth fans. I think I’d rather we’d drawn Rangers!
Plenty of Israelis don’t support what is happening.
Also words like sub-human really don’t do much to dispel the anti semitic defence either.
I should clarify. I don’t give a toss which imaginary sky fairy they support. I’m just talking about people who celebrate the slaughter of innocent children.
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Since when have Maccabi Tel Aviv or Israel been part of Europe?
The members of my extended family and friends who are Jewish (including 2 who are descended from Holocaust survivors) are in an almost permanent state of incandescent rage over the way Israel is given the kid-gloves treatment by a significant part of Western media. While they are routinely called 'antisemitic' or 'self-hating Jews' for daring to challenge Israel's conduct in Gaza. (The last spat was over: 'snipers killing kids & health-workers'...)
Up to about 5 or 6 years ago, I truly believed that a country that was partially founded in opposition to the horrors of the Holocaust was socially and politically 'vaccinated' against the possibility of fascism succeeding. How wrong I was. I subscribe to the Israeli newspaper 'Haaretz' and on a daily basis now, it is full of articles which confirm the ever-intensiying right-wing, apartheid-embracing, authoritarian nature of the government. To be fair, they do report about the way many more Israelis are waking up to the fact that the corrupt crew who rule them with their 'permanent war' economy are turning Israel into a pariah state and impinging on their own safety and security and fomenting anti-semitism across the globe.
My friend, David Mond, active in Jewish Voice for Labour (JVL), reminded me that history didn't begin on the 7th October 2023 and to have a look at the letter written by Albert Einstein and Hannah Arendt (famous chronicler of totalitarianism) and 20 other leading Jewish people in Israel, to the New York Times in December 1948. The letter refers to the terror tactics being used to subdue the Arab population produced a real danger that fascism was being planted and could thrive in a future Israel as a result of these tactics.
I've always been proud of the way Villa didn't kow-tow to the Nazis by refusing to perform the 'Hitler-gruss'. It would be good if Villa could make some gesture that what's happening in Palestine/Israel is not'normal' and 'sportswashing' it without comment isn't acceptable. Symbolic it may be, but however pathetic it might seem to some, it would give some hope to Palestinians and many Israelis that the whole world's watching and not ignoring the predatory, land-grabbing violence of the current rulers of Israel.
Oh, and the answer to the first question is: Unlike other countries in the Middle East, they are 'white' so are regarded as honorary Europeans. That is the blunt truth of the matter.
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JVL and untermensch lolol. Lets play them first so this circus can be over and done with. And also that they're likely shite as well.
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Oh, and the answer to the first question is: Unlike other countries in the Middle East, they are 'white' so are regarded as honorary Europeans. That is the blunt truth of the matter.
I think the blunter truth is that is if they were part of the Asian Football Confederation then a large number of countries would refuse to play them.
So in less genocidal times it's politically easier to have them competing with teams who would play them.
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Oh, and the answer to the first question is: Unlike other countries in the Middle East, they are 'white' so are regarded as honorary Europeans. That is the blunt truth of the matter.
I think the blunter truth is that is if they were part of the Asian Football Confederation then a large number of countries would refuse to play them.
So in less genocidal times it's politically easier to have them competing with teams who would play them.
No no, its much more interesting to have a discussion about the whiteness of the Jewry from somebody pally with JVL types. Go on*.
*Im going to caveat this with how historically stupid it is for pinko-commies to have Spartacus as some left wing ideal, when his forces for made up of conservative reactionaries who couldn't farm for shit.
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“Hang on, I thought we were Beitar Jerusalem”
“No, we’re the Jerusalem Beitars”
Fack orf.
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Their homes to them are more important. So ban demos anywhere within 1/2 mile of VP. And yes UEFA banning their away idiots (so I am told and I am not being anti-Semitic) would be good news.
Hardly antisemitic to say Tel Aviv fans are hooligan and racists. It's a plain fact.
Edit: forget it.
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Deventer (Go Ahead Eagles) is beautiful. If you're not into picture-perfect old towns, Rotterdam has the same destroyed-but-who-gives-a-shit vibe as Berlin.
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What airports would you recommend?
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Always deeply pleasant to read a thread and be reminded how many fellow Villa fans don't give a toss about colonialism, racism and genocide partly sponsored by their own government as long as they get to watch the football in peace.
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Some of us just dont have the bravery to do all we can by posting virtously on the internet. Keep it up, you're making a difference.
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Deventer (Go Ahead Eagles) is beautiful. If you're not into picture-perfect old towns, Rotterdam has the same destroyed-but-who-gives-a-shit vibe as Berlin.
Yes been to Deventer and it’s very nice.
Sure the visiting fans will enjoy it.
Usually visited Zwolle which is beautiful place.
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For airports, there's no better than Schiphol or Eindhoven for Deventer. Anything in Germany is further and not well connected.
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Fenerbache is the other side of the Bospherus it seems. Don't know where to start with Istanbul.
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Fenerbache is the other side of the Bospherus it seems. Don't know where to start with Istanbul.
A flight would be a good start Ads.
I'm here all week.
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I can't help but feel that in certain quarters complaining about the quality of our Europe League trips might come across as a little bit entitled.
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I can't help but feel that in certain quarters complaining about the quality of our Europe League trips might come across as a little bit entitled.
I would agree. Also the places are really interesting and historic and have great places to see.
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Some of us just dont have the bravery to do all we can by posting virtously on the internet. Keep it up, you're making a difference.
What does virtously mean? Is it something to do with tanks?
Anyway, posting on the internet might not be all he’s doing. Maybe he will support a campaign to ban genocidal maniacs from the game? Protest at the stadium? Register his opposition with the club and police? Better than tacit approval anyway.
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Some of us just dont have the bravery to do all we can by posting virtously on the internet. Keep it up, you're making a difference.
What does virtously mean? Is it something to do with tanks?
Anyway, posting on the internet might not be all he’s doing. Maybe he will support a campaign to ban genocidal maniacs from the game? Protest at the stadium? Register his opposition with the club and police? Better than tacit approval anyway.
Its a typo, don't be boring Percy.
It might not be all he does, he might like to play dress up and and wear a kaffiyeh. He might sing songs. He might donate. He might clog up the Marlybone or Euston train to get to London regularly on a Saturday. He might do lots and lots of equally futile and pointless things with his or her time, that expend a tad more energy in the process than manipulating their thumbs on their phone.
But he can stick his criticism of my junkie level addiction of watching the Villa up his backside. This is the football side of the forum, this is specifically the Europa League thread where we're meant to get excited about playing in the competition and I am excited about the idea of flattening these wankers and want to be there to see it in person.
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For airports, there's no better than Schiphol or Eindhoven for Deventer. Anything in Germany is further and not well connected.
Thanks for that info. Also google tells me that there are direct trains to Deventer from Amsterdam Zuid.
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I'm. Hoping that draw won't be too taxing. We can make our way through unscathed and on to the knockouts.
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Some of us just dont have the bravery to do all we can by posting virtously on the internet. Keep it up, you're making a difference.
What does virtously mean? Is it something to do with tanks?
Anyway, posting on the internet might not be all he’s doing. Maybe he will support a campaign to ban genocidal maniacs from the game? Protest at the stadium? Register his opposition with the club and police? Better than tacit approval anyway.
Its a typo, don't be boring Percy.
It might not be all he does, he might like to play dress up and and wear a kaffiyeh. He might sing songs. He might donate. He might clog up the Marlybone or Euston train to get to London regularly on a Saturday. He might do lots and lots of equally futile and pointless things with his or her time, that expend a tad more energy in the process than manipulating their thumbs on their phone.
But he can stick his criticism of my junkie level addiction of watching the Villa up his backside. This is the football side of the forum, this is specifically the Europa League thread where we're meant to get excited about playing in the competition and I am excited about the idea of flattening these wankers and want to be there to see it in person.
And you can do all that with a little vitriol to all concerned.
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Fenerbache is the other side of the Bospherus it seems. Don't know where to start with Istanbul.
I go to Istanbul twice a year for work conferences and we generally stay close to the Besiktas stadium on the European side of the city. Staying around the Sultanahmet and Tamsin square areas makes most sense for the big tourist attractions. From Istanbul’s main airport this is a 45 minute journey on a good day.
The Fenerbahce stadium is on the Asian side so some people may want to stay over there to avoid the mad city traffic. There is an airport on that side too - don’t know the name but code is SAW - and obviously better if you want to stay nearer the stadium. Apparently a taxi can take an hour to get to the stadium from the European side unless you go mid afternoon. I’ve been past the stadium en route to a steel mill and there’s a big dual carriageway which goes past it but apparently clogs up on match days.
One option is simply to get a ferry from the European side to the Asian side ( I think it’s Karakoy to Kadakoy) as it s very cheap and takes 10 minutes. Apparently you can then walk to the ground in 20-30 minutes. I don’t know how late the ferries run for the return trip.
My guess is that the police will run shuttle buses from somewhere on the European side and it will be like Warsaw, meaning they leave 3 hours before kick off then keep you in for an hour after the game providing the full joyless European defeat experience 😉
I’m back over there on 15 October so will get more info while I’m there.
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Just a thought should we play Aviv in the Aviva stadium.
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A poster on here many years ago wrote that he had been to Fenerbahce when we played them in 1977 and he ran out of money and it took him 6 weeks to get home. I think he was one of the Sutton Coldfield lions, user name maybe Sunny? If he still posts I’d love to hear more about that adventure.
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Cheers Pat.
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Fenerbache is the other side of the Bospherus it seems. Don't know where to start with Istanbul.
I go to Istanbul twice a year for work conferences and we generally stay close to the Besiktas stadium on the European side of the city. Staying around the Sultanahmet and Tamsin square areas makes most sense for the big tourist attractions. From Istanbul’s main airport this is a 45 minute journey on a good day.
I've never been so that's good to hear, as I've booked a hotel in Habiye for next May (if required). It's close enough to the Besiktas stadium, and on the right side of the city for IST.
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I can't help but feel that in certain quarters complaining about the quality of our Europe League trips might come across as a little bit entitled.
I would agree. Also the places are really interesting and historic and have great places to see.
Absolutely. Rotterdam has some great modern architecture and plenty of great places to eat and drink.
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I can't help but feel that in certain quarters complaining about the quality of our Europe League trips might come across as a little bit entitled.
I would agree. Also the places are really interesting and historic and have great places to see.
Absolutely. Rotterdam has some great modern architecture and plenty of great places to eat and drink.
And the upside down houses!
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I'm. Hoping that draw won't be too taxing. We can make our way through unscathed and on to the knockouts.
As last season proved, a top 8 finish and avoiding the additional play-off fixture is very preferential.
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There’s gonna be some mobilisation of the lads from Witton, Aston, Perry Barr, Handsworth, Newtown, Lozells, Small Heath, Ward End, Hodge Hill, Duddeston, Nechells, Bordesley Green and Alum Rock if these genocidal psychopath bastards rock up. Wouldn’t be surprised to see them heading a few petrol bombs. Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.
Good luck WMP.
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There’s gonna be some mobilisation of the lads from Witton, Aston, Perry Barr, Handsworth, Newtown, Lozells, Small Heath, Ward End, Hodge Hill, Duddeston, Nechells, Bordesley Green and Alum Rock if these genocidal psychopath bastards rock up. Wouldn’t be surprised to see them heading a few petrol bombs. Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.
Good luck WMP.
Quinton, Harbourne, Northfield, Selly Oak, Bournbrook crews aren't best pleased either.
If these twats turn up looking for a ruck, they will get one.
Rubery, Halesesowen and Stourbridge will be on standby if we have to send in the Light Brigade.
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Are Lichfield, Shenstone and Four Oaks allowed to tut loudly?
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I can't help but feel that in certain quarters complaining about the quality of our Europe League trips might come across as a little bit entitled.
I would agree. Also the places are really interesting and historic and have great places to see.
Absolutely. Rotterdam has some great modern architecture and plenty of great places to eat and drink.
And the upside down houses!
Yes mate, with a superb and varied street food market underneath!
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I'm just annoyed that none of them are anywhere near me.
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Are Lichfield, Shenstone and Four Oaks allowed to tut loudly?
Ha ha ha. Made me lol.
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There’s gonna be some mobilisation of the lads from Witton, Aston, Perry Barr, Handsworth, Newtown, Lozells, Small Heath, Ward End, Hodge Hill, Duddeston, Nechells, Bordesley Green and Alum Rock if these genocidal psychopath bastards rock up. Wouldn’t be surprised to see them heading a few petrol bombs. Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.
Good luck WMP.
Quinton, Harbourne, Northfield, Selly Oak, Bournbrook crews aren't best pleased either.
If these twats turn up looking for a ruck, they will get one.
Rubery, Halesesowen and Stourbridge will be on standby if we have to send in the Light Brigade.
Don’t forgot the boys from the Mersey and the Thames and the Tyne.
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Clent Clobbers and Merry Hill Moochers are well up for it.
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And the Solihull Rowdies.
*insert Bill Hicks ‘Hooligans’ sketch here *
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And then you have the Bearwood Botherers. I've heard they stay up till half past ten.
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I've heard the Gramercy Riffs will travel over if needed.
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Can youuuuu diiiiig iiiitttt
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Maccabi, come out to play yay.
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There’s gonna be some mobilisation of the lads from Witton, Aston, Perry Barr, Handsworth, Newtown, Lozells, Small Heath, Ward End, Hodge Hill, Duddeston, Nechells, Bordesley Green and Alum Rock if these genocidal psychopath bastards rock up. Wouldn’t be surprised to see them heading a few petrol bombs. Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.
Good luck WMP.
Quinton, Harbourne, Northfield, Selly Oak, Bournbrook crews aren't best pleased either.
If these twats turn up looking for a ruck, they will get one.
Rubery, Halesesowen and Stourbridge will be on standby if we have to send in the Light Brigade.
I’ll round up the Stirchley/Selly Park lot. Ready to fight anyone after 4 8% hop bombs at Glasshouse.
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Maybe there'll be peace in the Middle East by the time the match comes around
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Even if they ban away supporters, which seems sensible , how on earth is that team coach going to get to Villa park via the surrounding areas?
Second point to that, is if and when it's attacked, we as a club will get the blame?
Probably best to calm down.
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And the Solihull Rowdies.
*insert Bill Hicks ‘Hooligans’ sketch here *
One of his weaker ones, didn't have a bull's notion.
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My genuine worry for us as a club, is even if they ban away supporters, which seems sensible , how on earth is that team coach going to get to Villa park via the surrounding areas?
Second point to that, is if it's attacked, we as a club will get the blame?
I know this is a bit if an off the wall suggestion, but perhaps people could just not attack the team coach?
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But what will we do with all these bricks? Come on Richard, you haven't thought this through.
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We might have another Legia situation with sauce being thrown.
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We might have another Legia situation with sauce being thrown.
Look out for flying Baba ghanoush.
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What punishment would we get if we don't fulfil the fixture with the Israelis? It might piss off Ads and a handful of others but it would be a great statement and also put pressure on the other clubs to do the same.
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What punishment would we get if we don't fulfil the fixture with the Israelis? It might piss off Ads and a handful of others but it would be a great statement and also put pressure on the other clubs to do the same.
It absolutely would piss me off. This whole thread is some proper chode throttling fantasy wankery. It's not the fucking Warriors, we're not Small Heath bricking coaches and we're not twats who refuse to play.
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My genuine worry for us as a club, is even if they ban away supporters, which seems sensible , how on earth is that team coach going to get to Villa park via the surrounding areas?
Second point to that, is if it's attacked, we as a club will get the blame?
Sorry but what do you mean “via the surrounding area”?
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What punishment would we get if we don't fulfil the fixture with the Israelis? It might piss off Ads and a handful of others but it would be a great statement and also put pressure on the other clubs to do the same.
It absolutely would piss me off. This whole thread is some proper chode throttling fantasy wankery. It's not the fucking Warriors, we're not Small Heath bricking coaches and we're not twats who refuse to play.
The Israeli state committing genocide on a daily basis is fantasy?
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My genuine worry for us as a club, is even if they ban away supporters, which seems sensible , how on earth is that team coach going to get to Villa park via the surrounding areas?
Second point to that, is if it's attacked, we as a club will get the blame?
Sorry but what do you mean “via the surrounding area”?
It seems clear to me that they are suggesting the bus may be attacked by people not involved with the club due to the decent amount of Muslim population in the area.
I don't agree that anything will happen without fans. With fans then yeah, I expect disturbances of some sort.
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Sorry but what do you mean “via the surrounding area”?
Apologies if that caused offence Olaftab. I now wish I hadn’t even posted it and might just delete.
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My genuine worry for us as a club, is even if they ban away supporters, which seems sensible , how on earth is that team coach going to get to Villa park via the surrounding areas?
Second point to that, is if it's attacked, we as a club will get the blame?
I know this is a bit if an off the wall suggestion, but perhaps people could just not attack the team coach?
Totally agree.
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What punishment would we get if we don't fulfil the fixture with the Israelis? It might piss off Ads and a handful of others but it would be a great statement and also put pressure on the other clubs to do the same.
It absolutely would piss me off. This whole thread is some proper chode throttling fantasy wankery. It's not the fucking Warriors, we're not Small Heath bricking coaches and we're not twats who refuse to play.
The Israeli state committing genocide on a daily basis is fantasy?
We arent playing the Israeli state.
Not really the thread for the war. Lets just play the team we're drawn against and save our coach bricking gangster fantasies for Off Topic.
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It's a fact that Villa Park is located in an area with a large Muslim population and personally I don't think it's outrageous to suggest that means there is likely to be local opposition to an Israeli team coming to play, particularly when their fans, at least, appear to be vocally pro their government's actions in Gaza. No matter what any of us posting here may want to happen, it can't be denied that this draw will cause a massive headache for the football and civil authorities.
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Kings Norton Boys School used to have a ‘firm’ known as the Norton Nutty Turnout Crew. NNTO for short. Wonder whether they’ll make a reappearance.
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It's a fact that Villa Park is located in an area with a large Muslim population and personally I don't think it's outrageous to suggest that means there is likely to be local opposition to an Israeli team coming to play, particularly when their fans, at least, appear to be vocally pro their government's actions in Gaza. No matter what any of us posting here may want to happen, it can't be denied that this draw will cause a massive headache for the football and civil authorities.
That’s what I pretty much meant. You have put it much more eloquently thank you.
Anyway. I’m not commenting further. And annoyed with myself for even posting it now.
Lets win the competition.
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Sorry but what do you mean “via the surrounding area”?
Apologies if that caused offence Olaftab. I now wish I hadn’t even posted it and might just delete.
Why would you need to apologise for pointing out the bleeding obvious?
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It's a fact that Villa Park is located in an area with a large Muslim population and personally I don't think it's outrageous to suggest that means there is likely to be local opposition to an Israeli team coming to play, particularly when their fans, at least, appear to be vocally pro their government's actions in Gaza. No matter what any of us posting here may want to happen, it can't be denied that this draw will cause a massive headache for the football and civil authorities.
I might not be as cluedup on world affairs as a lot on here but how man of the heavy Muslim population around Villa Park are from Gaza or Palestine? I suspect not many so what has it got to do with anyone else?
There are lots of Islamic driven genocide going on around the world why are they not protesting about that?
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Most Asians of Pakistani origin in Brum come from Mirpur.
Gaza is a big motivating factor, but there's a world of difference from feeling sympathy or anger at Palestinians and the Israeli state and deciding you're going to start lobbing petrol bombs about at a football team.
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It's a fact that Villa Park is located in an area with a large Muslim population and personally I don't think it's outrageous to suggest that means there is likely to be local opposition to an Israeli team coming to play, particularly when their fans, at least, appear to be vocally pro their government's actions in Gaza. No matter what any of us posting here may want to happen, it can't be denied that this draw will cause a massive headache for the football and civil authorities.
I might not be as cluedup on world affairs as a lot on here but how man of the heavy Muslim population around Villa Park are from Gaza or Palestine? I suspect not many so what has it got to do with anyone else?
There are lots of Islamic driven genocide going on around the world why are they not protesting about that?
Oh god…that’s another 20 pages at least.
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It's a fact that Villa Park is located in an area with a large Muslim population and personally I don't think it's outrageous to suggest that means there is likely to be local opposition to an Israeli team coming to play, particularly when their fans, at least, appear to be vocally pro their government's actions in Gaza. No matter what any of us posting here may want to happen, it can't be denied that this draw will cause a massive headache for the football and civil authorities.
I might not be as cluedup on world affairs as a lot on here but how man of the heavy Muslim population around Villa Park are from Gaza or Palestine? I suspect not many so what has it got to do with anyone else?
There are lots of Islamic driven genocide going on around the world why are they not protesting about that?
Oh god…that’s another 20 pages at least.
There won't be, as its Saturday people are out demonstrating the CCP genocide of the Uyghur Muslims. Maybe when they're back.
25 pages now. Ahhoooooo!
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In that case, presumably you’ll be out shouting in the faces of grieving families in Gaza, about how the deaths of their children isn’t a genocide? And that they’re too dumb to realise that?
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I dont shout in anybodies face. What an odd thing to say.
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I thought we were exaggerating people’s behaviours on here, to take the piss. Is that not what we’re doing?
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What punishment would we get if we don't fulfil the fixture with the Israelis? It might piss off Ads and a handful of others but it would be a great statement and also put pressure on the other clubs to do the same.
It absolutely would piss me off. This whole thread is some proper chode throttling fantasy wankery. It's not the fucking Warriors, we're not Small Heath bricking coaches and we're not twats who refuse to play.
The Israeli state committing genocide on a daily basis is fantasy?
We arent playing the Israeli state.
Not really the thread for the war. Lets just play the team we're drawn against and save our coach bricking gangster fantasies for Off Topic.
But as has already been pointed out this team has gone to places and their fans have attacked the local Muslim population, they are now coming to Aston with a massive Muslim population, to its safe to assume they will do the same again. It's also safe to assume there will be a retaliation from the Muslim communities in the Birmingham area.
Israel is the aggressor just like Russia so should be banned just like Russia are.
The biggest question is if it does happen the way we expect will the UK press report it their fans attacking Muslims and then there being a retaliation or will they just throw us under the bus and say its Villa fans attacking them.
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Sorry but what do you mean “via the surrounding area”?
Apologies if that caused offence Olaftab. I now wish I hadn’t even posted it and might just delete.
Why would you need to apologise for pointing out the bleeding obvious?
There was no need to apologise Aldrigeboy. I asked the question if you thought there was anything else than Villa park being surrounded to the north and west by a totally muslim population.
However BNS it's not totally obvious. I DO NOT think residents of Aston and Witton will cause any problems. I have spent time around this area most of my life specially in 80s and 90s. I still know number of families either as friends or extended relatives living there. They have learned to live with the Villa over the last 50 years and as far I know they never complained vociferously no matter how bad it got for them at times. They are mostly good peaceful and generally humble people. They do not want to do anything that will leave a scar with Villa fans. If there is any trouble it will be brought in from outside.
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Anyway back to the match days, do we have any news what time tomorrow we will know where and when?
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I was hoping we'd find out today
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It's a fact that Villa Park is located in an area with a large Muslim population and personally I don't think it's outrageous to suggest that means there is likely to be local opposition to an Israeli team coming to play, particularly when their fans, at least, appear to be vocally pro their government's actions in Gaza. No matter what any of us posting here may want to happen, it can't be denied that this draw will cause a massive headache for the football and civil authorities.
I might not be as cluedup on world affairs as a lot on here
Agreed.
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I was hoping we'd find out today
They've done the Champions League one, hopefully not too long now.
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I don't doubt that most locals are decent and could do without the match but there are some, from the vicinity or further away, who would relish the idea of attacking a visible Jewish presence. Then there's the protesters, the flag-erectors looking to stir trouble and the Maccabi supporters. Throw in the media focus from now on and the current situation in the city and I'll be glad when the match is over.
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The Maccabi match isn’t one I have any intention of going to. It might be perfectly fine, but it feels like it’s more likely than most to be a dickhead magnet.
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I was hoping we'd find out today
UEFA website says details will be announced at 20.00 CET. That’s in 8 minutes!
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ston Villa FC Aston Villa FC
25 September 2025 21:00 Bologna FC 1909 (H)
2 October 2025 21:00 Feyenoord (A)
23 October 2025 18:45 Go Ahead Eagles (A)
6 November 2025 21:00 Maccabi Tel-Aviv FC (H)
27 November 2025 18:45 BSC Young Boys (H)
11 December 2025 21:00 FC Basel 1893 (A)
22 January 2026 18:45 Fenerbahçe SK (A)
29 January 2026 21:00 FC Salzburg (H)
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Maccabi the day after Bonfire Night. It gets better.
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Europa League dates confirmed.
25 September 2025 21:00 Bologna FC 1909 (H)
2 October 2025 21:00 Feyenoord (A)
23 October 2025 18:45 Go Ahead Eagles (A)
6 November 2025 21:00 Maccabi Tel-Aviv FC (H)
27 November 2025 18:45 BSC Young Boys (H)
11 December 2025 21:00 FC Basel 1893 (A)
22 January 2026 18:45 Fenerbahçe SK (A)
29 January 2026 21:00 FC Salzburg (H)
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I was hoping we'd find out today
UEFA website says details will be announced at 20.00 CET. That’s in 8 minutes!
A minute late, bastards!
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Europa League dates confirmed.
25 September 2025 21:00 Bologna FC 1909 (H)
2 October 2025 21:00 Feyenoord (A)
23 October 2025 18:45 Go Ahead Eagles (A)
6 November 2025 21:00 Maccabi Tel-Aviv FC (H)
27 November 2025 18:45 BSC Young Boys (H)
11 December 2025 21:00 FC Basel 1893 (A)
22 January 2026 18:45 Fenerbahçe SK (A)
29 January 2026 21:00 FC Salzburg (H)
UK times
Matchday 1: Aston Villa v Bologna - Thursday, September 25 (ko 8pm)
Matchday 2: Feyenoord v Aston Villa - Thursday, October 2 (ko 8pm)
Matchday 3: Go Ahead Eagles v Aston Villa - Thursday, October 23 (ko 5.45pm)
Matchday 4: Aston Villa v Maccabi Tel Aviv - Thursday, November 6 (ko 8pm)
Matchday 5: Aston Villa v BSC Young Boys - Thursday, November 27 (ko 5.45pm)
Matchday 6: FC Basel v Aston Villa - Thursday, December 11 (ko 8pm)
Matchday 7: Fenerbahçe SK v Aston Villa - Thursday, January 22 (ko 5.45pm)
Matchday 8: Aston Villa v RB Salzburg - Thursday, January 29 (ko 8pm)
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I'm away during the match against the murdering scum. Not too bothered about missing that tbh (if we are allowed to attend anyway).
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Tel Aviv day after Bonfire night.
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Maccabi the day after Bonfire Night. It gets better.
Away fans banned and mass cordon around VP I suspect. Going to be a horrible one to police.
Fulham game now goes to the Sunday at I presume 2pm with confirmation our first game is on the Thursday.
What on earth is the 5.45pm kick off all about? We played that time slot regularly last season in away games but U.K sides hardly ever play that early.
Can see the crowd being comfortably below 35k for that one.
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Tel Aviv day after Bonfire night.
Guy Fawkes
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Disappointed we couldn't have got the Wednesday slot the week it is spread across two nights but never mind.
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Cool, only need 5 of the 9 nights off I’ve booked.
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Maccabi the day after Bonfire Night. It gets better.
Away fans banned and mass cordon around VP I suspect. Going to be a horrible one to police.
Fulham game now goes to the Sunday at I presume 2pm with confirmation our first game is on the Thursday.
What on earth is the 5.45pm kick off all about? We played that time slot regularly last season in away games but U.K sides hardly ever play that early.
It’s ideal if you start work at 10pm.😉
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Maccabi the day after Bonfire Night. It gets better.
But there won't be any trouble & anyone suggesting there might, deserves a good kicking
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The one year anniversary of the Amsterdam riots.
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Tel Aviv day after Bonfire night.
Guy Fawkes
Does this mean in less than 24 hours I have to go from being anti-catholic to anti-semitic ?
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Can't ask for more than starting and ending at home I suppose
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Can't ask for more than starting and ending at home I suppose
It ends away. In Istanbul !
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Can’t believe we have a home 5.45 kick off, traffic will be an absolute nightmare
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Can't ask for more than starting and ending at home I suppose
It ends away. In Istanbul !
Last game is Salzburg at home.
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What punishment would we get if we don't fulfil the fixture with the Israelis? It might piss off Ads and a handful of others but it would be a great statement and also put pressure on the other clubs to do the same.
It absolutely would piss me off. This whole thread is some proper chode throttling fantasy wankery. It's not the fucking Warriors, we're not Small Heath bricking coaches and we're not twats who refuse to play.
The Israeli state committing genocide on a daily basis is fantasy?
We arent playing the Israeli state.
Not really the thread for the war. Lets just play the team we're drawn against and save our coach bricking gangster fantasies for Off Topic.
I agree with this.
Personally, I find your posts very interesting and often educational.
But your posting style can be very confrontational sometimes. This post is very to the point without the use of the word “chode”.
I think politics is definitely part of sport, but let the authorities arranging and policing the game do their job without any fuss.
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Can't ask for more than starting and ending at home I suppose
It ends away. In Istanbul !
Last game is Salzburg at home.
I mean the final !
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Politics, religion, social issues etc have always been a part of sport and always will be. More often than not "keep politics out of sport" translates as "keep politics I don't like out of sport".
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Politics, religion, social issues etc have always been a part of sport and always will be. More often than not "keep politics out of sport" translates as "keep politics I don't like out of sport".
Exactly. Just one nation playing another is political and social.
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Can’t believe we have a home 5.45 kick off, traffic will be an absolute nightmare
I was going to mention that. Very rare a UK home match is played at that time. In Europe the 1745 KO is more usual as it is closer to 7pm or 8pm local time.
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As they're young boys they can't stay up late, so that's why the earlier kick off.
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As they're young boys they can't stay up late, so that's why the earlier kick off.
Very good!
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I'd love the Maccabi match to be nothing but a footballing contest but, anyone who believes there won't be at least a bit bother, is mistaken imo.
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Can’t believe we have a home 5.45 kick off, traffic will be an absolute nightmare
I was going to mention that. Very rare a UK home match is played at that time. In Europe the 1745 KO is more usual as it is closer to 7pm or 8pm local time.
I'm pretty sure it's not just the mushrooms confusing me here.
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Can’t believe we have a home 5.45 kick off, traffic will be an absolute nightmare
I have a vague recollection of one of our games in 2008/09 kicking off very early, maybe Ajax? Wasn't too bad coming in from Sutton from 5pm but going to be a nightmare for anyone travelling from South Birmingham through the city centre.
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I'd love the Maccabi match to be nothing but a footballing contest but, anyone who believes there won't be at least a bit bother, is mistaken imo.
I agree pete. Im sure a majority of their fans will come just to watch the game and not want to get into the political drama. Rather focus on ua getting 3 points
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The majority of their fans will be racist twats looking for trouble, just as they were on the last occasion when they played a European game in a big city with a sizeable Muslim population. As we saw with Legia, most reasonable supporters won't bother travelling, with all the tickets given to ultra type bellends.
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The majority of their fans will be racist twats looking for trouble, just as they were on the last occasion when they played a European game in a big city with a sizeable Muslim population. As we saw with Legia, most reasonable supporters won't bother travelling, with all the tickets given to ultra type bellends.
I hope not. Last thing we need is more trouble like with legia
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Can’t believe we have a home 5.45 kick off, traffic will be an absolute nightmare
I was going to mention that. Very rare a UK home match is played at that time. In Europe the 1745 KO is more usual as it is closer to 7pm or 8pm local time.
I'm pretty sure it's not just the mushrooms confusing me here.
Mainland Europe then. Who are normally and hour or two ahead of the UK. (Or are you confused I used two different time units)
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I'd love the Maccabi match to be nothing but a footballing contest but, anyone who believes there won't be at least a bit bother, is mistaken imo.
Their supporters won't know what's hit them. They may have done a minimum of 32 months military service, possibly even fought against Hamas and/or Hezbollah, but they'll shit themselves when some balding, overweight fifty-something Brummies come at them looking for vengeance.
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I'd love the Maccabi match to be nothing but a footballing contest but, anyone who believes there won't be at least a bit bother, is mistaken imo.
Their supporters won't know what's hit them. They may have done a minimum of 32 months military service, possibly even fought against Hamas and/or Hezbollah, but they'll shit themselves when some balding, overweight fifty-something Brummies come at them looking for vengeance.
Indeed, handling Stone Island wearing pavement dancers is going to be the second easiest thing they’ve done, after all that shooting starving civilians in food queues.
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I'm looking forward to our games at first I was underwhelmed but now I can't wait.
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I'm away during the match against the murdering scum. Not too bothered about missing that tbh (if we are allowed to attend anyway).
Is this the terrorist murderous scum that killed 1400 innocent young people at a music festival and still to this day keep some of them as hostages?
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No, we aren't playing a Palestinian team, unless you think Tel Aviv is in Palestine, you daft antisemite. Does any terrorist atrocity or kidnapping justify genocide?
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I'm away during the match against the murdering scum. Not too bothered about missing that tbh (if we are allowed to attend anyway).
Is this the terrorist murderous scum that killed 1400 innocent young people at a music festival and still to this day keep some of them as hostages?
725 Israeli civilians (including 36 children), 71 foreign nationals, and 379 security forces. Not 1400 innocent people at one site.
62,122 Palestinians have been killed since then in Gaza, of which over a 1000 have been children. In the West Bank, a 1000 Palestinians have also been killed, and afaik, they had nothing to do with the attack and are mostly civilians.
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Let's try and keep it civil, to each other at least.
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I'm away during the match against the murdering scum. Not too bothered about missing that tbh (if we are allowed to attend anyway).
Is this the terrorist murderous scum that killed 1400 innocent young people at a music festival and still to this day keep some of them as hostages?
It's almost as if, and hold your horses, Hamas are murderous scum AND the Israeli government are even bigger murderous scum. Incredible, I know.
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Maccabi the day after Bonfire Night. It gets better.
Hopefully, they haven't seen the hipster Bohs fans trying to take the piss in Derry. https://x.com/real_eire/status/1948863711374106838
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I'd love the Maccabi match to be nothing but a footballing contest but, anyone who believes there won't be at least a bit bother, is mistaken imo.
Their supporters won't know what's hit them. They may have done a minimum of 32 months military service, possibly even fought against Hamas and/or Hezbollah, but they'll shit themselves when some balding, overweight fifty-something Brummies come at them looking for vengeance.
It won’t be football hooligans mate. More like the firm that turned out in Bordesley Green when it was rumoured that Tiny Tommy Two-names’ firm was going to turn up. Of course, the rumours were untrue. Tommy’s firm is undoubtedly stupid, but they’re not suicidal.
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I'm away during the match against the murdering scum. Not too bothered about missing that tbh (if we are allowed to attend anyway).
I've only recently rejoined this forum but can I ask if you've ever been to Israel and Palestine and if so please document your time there...
I mean you've missed our trip to Turkey and the constant raids and bombing campaigns they've done in Syria also in the last several years....
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Be quite nice to turn this back into a thread about football and leave the politics to the politics thread.
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Be quite nice to turn this back into a thread about football and leave the politics to the politics thread.
Agreed.
If their "supporters" have form for causing trouble then we should not allow them in the ground. Surely that is simple enough.
I'm sure the football team is just a football team so nothing wrong with the game being played.
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Be quite nice to turn this back into a thread about football and leave the politics to the politics thread.
Agreed.
If their "supporters" have form for causing trouble then we should not allow them in the ground. Surely that is simple enough.
If we ask UEFA and they agree to it, then sure.
Otherwise, unilaterally deciding that we don't want away fans to attend a match at Villa Park is definitely not simple.
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Whether some people like it or not this match is highly political, so that would will be the main discussion.
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Whether some people like it or not this match is highly political, so that would will be the main discussion.
I mean, if people want to use the thread to talk about whether Maccabi Tel Aviv are more likely to play Nicolaescu or Turgeman, and whether Lazetic is doing a better job that Robbie Keane, I can't imagine anyone is going to stop them.
In the absence of that, the politics stuff seems most likely to fill that void.
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From a footballing perspective, it seems we've got a couple of the trickier ties on paper up first, then an easier run before the January finale. I just hope we are not too passive in the away matches (imagine that) as they're all potential banana skins for various reasons.
From a travel perspective, I booked flights to Amsterdam yesterday, less than half hour by train from Schipol to Rotterdam. Hoping the size of the stadium will mean getting in isn't too challenging. A German friend described Feyenoord fans as "violent" so what can possibly go wrong?
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Be quite nice to turn this back into a thread about football and leave the politics to the politics thread.
Agreed.
If their "supporters" have form for causing trouble then we should not allow them in the ground. Surely that is simple enough.
I'm sure the football team is just a football team so nothing wrong with the game being played.
Would you have any issue with Villa playing a team that supported Putin?
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Can’t wait for the Europa games to start. There’s nothing like them and I’m going to enjoy them.
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Be quite nice to turn this back into a thread about football and leave the politics to the politics thread.
Agreed.
If their "supporters" have form for causing trouble then we should not allow them in the ground. Surely that is simple enough.
I'm sure the football team is just a football team so nothing wrong with the game being played.
Would you have any issue with Villa playing a team that supported Putin?
If we were drawn to play against them, of course not. We can't choose who we play against.
If we decided we were going on a pre-season tour of Luhansk Oblast, then it's fine to have an issue with it.
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Hookey may have a different answer to that. Pretty sure he does.
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Turkish Airlines from Manchester seems to be the cheapest flying out on the Wednesday. £200 difference from this Pegasus Air who I'd never heard of.
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I see Feyenoord are talking to Vardy about a possible deal.
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I see Feyenoord are talking to Vardy about a possible deal.
I’m surprised he’s not at a club yet. On a one year deal, as cover, I wouldn’t be against him coming to us.
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Can’t wait for the Europa games to start. There’s nothing like them and I’m going to enjoy them.
You can't beat catching ketchup bottles on the Holte.
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I'd love the Maccabi match to be nothing but a footballing contest but, anyone who believes there won't be at least a bit bother, is mistaken imo.
Their supporters won't know what's hit them. They may have done a minimum of 32 months military service, possibly even fought against Hamas and/or Hezbollah, but they'll shit themselves when some balding, overweight fifty-something Brummies come at them looking for vengeance.
Even worse when the heathens want to be their mates to fight d’vile
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Be quite nice to turn this back into a thread about football and leave the politics to the politics thread.
Agreed.
If their "supporters" have form for causing trouble then we should not allow them in the ground. Surely that is simple enough.
I'm sure the football team is just a football team so nothing wrong with the game being played.
So we should leave the politics out of it unless you want to raise a political point?
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Be quite nice to turn this back into a thread about football and leave the politics to the politics thread.
Agreed.
If their "supporters" have form for causing trouble then we should not allow them in the ground. Surely that is simple enough.
I'm sure the football team is just a football team so nothing wrong with the game being played.
So we should leave the politics out of it unless you want to raise a political point?
Edit. Not worth it.
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I see Feyenoord are talking to Vardy about a possible deal.
I’m surprised he’s not at a club yet. On a one year deal, as cover, I wouldn’t be against him coming to us.
Scrap that, he's gone to Cremonese.
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I'm away during the match against the murdering scum. Not too bothered about missing that tbh (if we are allowed to attend anyway).
I've only recently rejoined this forum but can I ask if you've ever been to Israel and Palestine and if so please document your time there...
You can't criticise Hitler unless you've been to 1930s Germany.
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I'd love the Maccabi match to be nothing but a footballing contest but, anyone who believes there won't be at least a bit bother, is mistaken imo.
Their supporters won't know what's hit them. They may have done a minimum of 32 months military service, possibly even fought against Hamas and/or Hezbollah, but they'll shit themselves when some balding, overweight fifty-something Brummies come at them looking for vengeance.
Even worse when the heathens want to be their mates to fight d’vile
Let's face it 3 years in the IDF is no match for some plastic furniture and a few pints of piss.
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Happy with that lineup. Playing fenebache later is my preference as hopefully be then we should have qualified. Also great to start and finish at villa park
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I can imagine it being a dilemma for Small Heath. On one hand it's a chance to fight with the big lads against da Vile, on the other their multicultural Nelson Mandela beliefs get in the way.
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Flights to Istanbul cheaper than the the rest, despite being twice/four times as far.
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Diego Carlos has gone to Como so there's at least one off the "bound to score against us" list.
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Diego Carlos has gone to Como so there's at least one off the "bound to score against us" list.
Yes but in his case it was likely to have been an own goal.
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Drat.
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Just in case I can get tickets:
Eurostar to Rotterdam £195 ret
Eurostar to Amsterdam £74 ret
Can't do Basel £0
Turkish Airlines from Brum £245 ret
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I've only recently rejoined this forum but can I ask if you've ever been to Israel and Palestine and if so please document your time there...
I have been to Tel Aviv, Ramallah and Jerusalem. What would you like to know?
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I've only recently rejoined this forum but can I ask if you've ever been to Israel and Palestine and if so please document your time there...
I spent a couple of months living on a kibbutz and then a couple of weeks at the end travelling around Israel.
I can document my time there as: getting pissed every night, failing to get off with foreign women, and not eating much to the extent that when I got home, I was so scrawny my mother burst into tears.
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Flights to Istanbul cheaper than the the rest, despite being twice/four times as far.
Istanbul can be surprisingly cold in winter so tourism drops. I was even there ina snow blizzard about 20 years ago.
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I'm there in November so hoping it isn't too cold.
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I’m there on 15 October and in the past few years late October has been fine. High teens / low 20s and sunny, albeit with occasional clods and rain. Hopefully November will be similar for you
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I've only recently rejoined this forum but can I ask if you've ever been to Israel and Palestine and if so please document your time there...
I have been to Tel Aviv, Ramallah and Jerusalem. What would you like to know?
I have been to Tel Aviv about 10 years ago and thought it was a very modern city with great hotels, nightlife and musuems. The people I met were charming and very hospitable.
I was there on business and always wanted to go back with more timet to explore
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I’m there on 15 October and in the past few years late October has been fine. High teens / low 20s and sunny, albeit with occasional clods and rain. Hopefully November will be similar for you
Ta.
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I've only recently rejoined this forum but can I ask if you've ever been to Israel and Palestine and if so please document your time there...
I have been to Tel Aviv, Ramallah and Jerusalem. What would you like to know?
I have been to Tel Aviv about 10 years ago and thought it was a very modern city with great hotels, nightlife and musuems. The people I met were charming and very hospitable.
I was there on business and always wanted to go back with more timet to explore
Rome is also a very nice city, doesn’t mean that Lazio fans aren't violent, racist, thugs. As are Maccabi Tel Aviv fans.
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I do not know but take your word on it. If thier fans are so roundly known as being thugs wh have they not been banned anywhere else? It is a genuine question.
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I do not know but take your word on it. If thier fans are so roundly known as being thugs wh have they not been banned anywhere else? It is a genuine question.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2024_Amsterdam_riots#
The evening before the match, Maccabi Tel Aviv fans were filmed pulling Palestinian flags from houses, making racist anti-Arab chants such as "death to Arabs", assaulting people, and vandalising local property.
A group of Maccabi Fanatics chased two men, beating one with a belt as he tried to escape in a taxi.[12] After the police arrived, the group ran away, joining other Maccabi ultras, nearly all of whom wore black clothing instead of team colours, walking towards Rokin.[4][12] This group of around 50 Maccabi supporters gathered in front of Villa Mokum, a squat where several Palestinian flags were displayed.[3][4]
Residents of the squat barricaded themselves inside while one of the ultras ripped the flags off.[3][4] Maccabi fans reportedly kicked the doors and tried to enter the house, threatening to kill the residents.[7] Video footage showed a police car passing without stopping, leading to criticism on social media.[8] A group of supporters vandalised a nearby taxi, including hitting the window with an object and trying to force the windows and doors open, while the driver was inside.[12][4][3]
That then angered the locals into forming their own groups to attack any Maccaibi fans around, including innocent ones.
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Just wondering what experiences people have had on any of the away trips over the last couple of years that didn't have a ticket
Are places welcoming to the ones not going to the match?
Was thinking of going to the Feyenoord game, but i'm only an ST without official Euro away history, so know I wouldn't get an official ticket
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Loads of folk have been without tickets, the night before and match day are a great experience. I think those that don't end up at the game end up in one of the villa bars to watch the match. Can't recomend enough doing Europe away with the Villa. The last 2 years have been amazing and even with the current doom around the club, can't wait for Feyernord away in 4 weeks!
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The match is often the worst part of the trip :) Definitely go along if you can do it.
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I went to Mostar two seasons ago and Brugge (league stage) last season. Both times I went without a ticket but managed to get in the stadium. I'd strongly recommend giving it a go, they've been great experiences.
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I did go to Monaco, but that was easy getting a ticket in the neutral section prior to going, so not a drama and was hardly going to be a rough experience there anyway
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I went to Mostar two seasons ago and Brugge (league stage) last season. Both times I went without a ticket but managed to get in the stadium. I'd strongly recommend giving it a go, they've been great experiences.
I managed to get my missus into every game last season bar PSG and she travelled without tickets.
They're as much adventures with a secondary bit of football you sort of remember, as anything else. Definitely go if you can, regardless of whether you have a ticket, would be my advice.
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Fenerbahce getting Ederson and Asensio this window. They won’t be easy when we play them.
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They weren't with Duran being there even beforehand, and our last chance of a definite win was spoiled when they got rid of Diego and Jose.
TBF, I had ruled that one as a throwaway match anyway, it will just be on if they get to the final.
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https://x.com/fenerbahce/status/1962568999037747511?s=46
Asensio certainly doesn’t have the beaming smile signing for Fenerbahce that he has when joining us.
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I can't. I just can't.
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Ours and Chelseas squad announcements will be interesting with the positive revenue A squad figures.
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Ours and Chelseas squad announcements will be interesting with the positive revenue A squad figures.
Barcelona too. Looks like they've both spent and brought in pretty much £25m on the nose.
And as per the transfer thread, looks like one first-team player will have to be left out of the UEFA squad.
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So when are tickets on sale? The first game is just over 3 weeks away.
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Proposed A List below. Now we have let JJ go we can only do a max of 21 names. Kosta, Garcia and Barkley are some names who could be removed to make space for others. (edit: I think Bogarde is still B list qualification due to age but would fit into the home grown on A if he doesn't).
Martinez
Bizot
Matty Cash
Lindelof
Ezri Konsa
Pau Torres
Garcia
Tyrone Mings
Ian Maatsen
Lucas Digne
Boubacar Kamara
Elliot
John McGinn
Youri Tielemans
Buendia
Amadou Onana
Guessand
Morgan Rogers
Sancho
Malen
Ollie Watkins
I've removed Barkley at the moment but he could be in instead of Buendia. I see no reason not to include Garcia but could be sacrificed with Lindelof or Konsa as RB.
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Where are people staying in Rotterdam, Google seems to say the Old Harbour (Oude Haven) is where away fans are told to go, but just wandered if any one has booked acomodation yet. Flights all booked
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Where are people staying in Rotterdam, Google seems to say the Old Harbour (Oude Haven) is where away fans are told to go, but just wandered if any one has booked acomodation yet. Flights all booked
If I were going, I'd consider staying in The Hague. It's pretty close, and seems to have a wider range of hotels.
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Did we ever find out who was named in our Europa League squad?
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Should appear here. I suspect that UEFA check for any obvious discrepencies before posting them.
https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/clubs/52683--aston-villa/squad/
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Ta.
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Pravda will probably have them same time anyway. I expect 1200 or some specific release timings as UEFA like to do stuff around those times.
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Where are people staying in Rotterdam, Google seems to say the Old Harbour (Oude Haven) is where away fans are told to go, but just wandered if any one has booked acomodation yet. Flights all booked
I've booked somewhere (with free cancellation) close to Central Rotterdam. It's 13 minutes walk from the train station and I note 20 minutes walk from the Old Harbour. Most importantly for me, it's less than 10 minutes from the Cool District (yes it's really called that)
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Booked flights for them all and accommodation, all with the exception of Go Ahead Eagles, still need a hotel for that. Amsterdam hotels have increased somewhat in the past 18 months!
Should be some decent allocations though, as Fenerbache, Feyenoord and Basel all have decent sized grounds.
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Did we ever find out who was named in our Europa League squad?
Just been and checked and we won't know for a couple of weeks. 2023's Conference squad was annouced 18th Sept (4th Sept deadline) and last year it was 17th Sept (not sure on deadline). so around 15th/16th Sept might be the announcement day.
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Boo.
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TBH, all we are waiting to see is whether Garcia, Buendia or Barkley is dropped. (Or Malen I suppose).
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I assume we had to submit it already and just waiting on UEFA confirming they've agreed the squad? So if someone else gets injured now we can't change it?
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The two week gap could be because of additional checks or because UEFA just want the delay for some reason. Every club is in the injury boat beforehand though and even if announced today, it wouldn't make any difference as someone could pick up a season ender between now and the first match in the competition.
As pointed out, only really one "first teamer" is in doubt of missing out. Maybe one of the kids we bought in the last two year who hasn't been loaned out would have gotten a chance if we had two of those, but I couldn't name one off the top of my head.
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4 game ticket bundle now available for GA+.
Ordinary people you know your place in the queue.
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They have just announced the CL squads so it could well happen today or tomorrow.
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TBH, all we are waiting to see is whether Garcia, Buendia or Barkley is dropped. (Or Malen I suppose).
For me it would be barkley
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Barkley is the missing player from the squad.
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Interesting. If I were feeling conspiratorial, I'd wonder how fucked his current injury is making him.
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That would have been my choice though feel sorry for him. Seems a long time since we saw him.
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Spurs drop Tel, Dragusin and Bissouma from theirs. (Also Maddison and Kulevski but those were expected.)
City with four keepers but have enough home grown to fit the 25.
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Tel’s going to be pleased.
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Think Bissouma is off to Galatasaray before their window closes.
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Forest had so many signees I'm not sure who was dropped. Luiz has been included.
Edit: Omari Hutchinson does't appear to be in the squad.
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Think Bissouma is off to Galatasaray before their window closes.
Yep, was bomb-squaded by Frank for time keeping issues apparently.
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Fenerbache contains Ederson, Asensio and Duran as expected.
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https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/clubs/52683--aston-villa/squad/
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Only two goalies. I assume we are allowed to name any under-21 player?
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We don't own any other keeper that would be on the A List.
Stick the under 12s on the B List if we think it'll be necessary.
As mentioned previously, this means Martinez is definitely staying and cannot be sold (until January at the earliest) unless we're forfeiting the Europa League.
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Fenerbache contains Ederson, Asensio and Duran as expected.
What odds a Fenerbahçe v Villa final in Istanbul?
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I saw somewhere - it’s the internet so take it with a grain of salt - that Barkley is still six weeks away so on that basis, makes a lot of sense.
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No Bogarde either. ☹️
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No Bogarde either. ☹️
I believe he'll be on the B-List (?), so still there.
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Yep, Bogarde qualifies for the B-list (born after Jan 1, 2004)
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And been here for three years minumum which I think is the other requirement.
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And been here for three years minumum which I think is the other requirement.
To be eligible for the b list it's 2 years, not including time out on loan, between 16 and 21.
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And been here for three years minumum which I think is the other requirement.
To be eligible for the b list it's 2 years, not including time out on loan, between 16 and 21.
So in theory you could sign a wonderkid at 18, straight into the first XI and by the time they're 20, you can move them to your B list to get more A list players in the squad?
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A player may be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 2004 and has, since his 15th birthday, been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted period of two years, or a total of three consecutive years with a maximum of one loan period to a club from the same association for a period not longer than one year. Players aged 16 may be registered on List B if they have been registered with the participating club for the previous two years without interruption.
So I don't see why your scenario couldn't happen
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Arsenal have had to put a 15yo on the A-List because he hadn't been there two years after he turned 15 even though he had been with Arsenal youth since 2016. When he is 17 he would drop down to the B list like all his contempories.
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https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/clubs/52683--aston-villa/squad/
According to that list, Emi B is Spanish ???
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Arsenal have had to put a 15yo on the A-List because he hadn't been there two years after he turned 15 even though he had been with Arsenal youth since 2016. When he is 17 he would drop down to the B list like all his contempories.
Or be on loan to Leyton Orient.
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https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/clubs/52683--aston-villa/squad/
According to that list, Emi B is Spanish ???
I hope that's their fuck up, not ours and we don't end up with him banned.
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https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/clubs/52683--aston-villa/squad/
According to that list, Emi B is Spanish ???
I hope that's their fuck up, not ours and we don't end up with him banned.
Apparently he has dual Spanish / Argentinian nationality.
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Maybe, but you'd think they'd list by which country they represent. Cash is listed as Poland, for instance.
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I really hope we win this competition this season. Firstly it gets us back in the champions league and secondly because a poor spurs team won it last season. Even west ham won the conference league where we failed. These things bother me.
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No Barks til Christmas.
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No Barks til Christmas.
Is that a lesser known track by the Beastie Boys?
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No Barks til Christmas.
I’ll remind you that a dog is for life…
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Tickets haven’t been released for pleb class for any of the European games have they?
Not saying I don’t trust the app to show ticket sales correctly or anything :-)
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Maybe, but you'd think they'd list by which country they represent. Cash is listed as Poland, for instance.
At a guess it's because there are no limits on EU nationals in squads so if you are an EU citizen that takes precedence in this context, even if you play for the non-eu country. I haven't checked what limits there are on non-EU players for years though so I have no idea how true that is.
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Is Barkley out injured until Christmas?
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Maybe, but you'd think they'd list by which country they represent. Cash is listed as Poland, for instance.
At a guess it's because there are no limits on EU nationals in squads so if you are an EU citizen that takes precedence in this context, even if you play for the non-eu country. I haven't checked what limits there are on non-EU players for years though so I have no idea how true that is.
Surely if that was the issue then Guessand would be listed as French?
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Maybe, but you'd think they'd list by which country they represent. Cash is listed as Poland, for instance.
At a guess it's because there are no limits on EU nationals in squads so if you are an EU citizen that takes precedence in this context, even if you play for the non-eu country. I haven't checked what limits there are on non-EU players for years though so I have no idea how true that is.
Surely if that was the issue then Guessand would be listed as French?
No idea, it was only a guess. I thoutght maybe it was about appearances at age group level but again that's inconsistent. Maybe UEFA are just a disorganised mess.
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Tickets haven’t been released for pleb class for any of the European games have they?
Not saying I don’t trust the app to show ticket sales correctly or anything :-)
Pleb ST holder tix just put on sale
We have until Sep 11th to purchase.
Must buy all four at the same time to get the discount
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Good news - the Europa League tickets are on sale to season ticket holders.
Bad news - it's another shit show where I can only get mine and not the other people I sit with.
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Done and thanks for the 20% discount.
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Can I check I am a member can I buy today or wait till Tuesday?
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2025/september/05/europa-league-ga-ticket-bundles-now-on-sale/
Tuesday for members for Bologna and bundles. Although presumably there'll be more seats available after the ST window closes on Thursday.
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Tickets haven’t been released for pleb class for any of the European games have they?
Not saying I don’t trust the app to show ticket sales correctly or anything :-)
Pleb ST holder tix just put on sale
We have until Sep 11th to purchase.
Must buy all four at the same time to get the discount
Cheers UKR….all done, missed Juve sales last yr….cost a fortune to go Pleb+ :-)
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Good news - the Europa League tickets are on sale to season ticket holders.
Bad news - it's another shit show where I can only get mine and not the other people I sit with.
Sorry to quote myself, but you need to change the relationships online from 'App Sharing' to 'Family' and make anyone who's ticket you want to get a strong relationship. Don't forget to change back to app sharing for premier league tickets though. Absolute graft!
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I wish the members sale date started when the ST window closed. Its a bit of a dilemma wondering whether to go for it on the Tuesday, or wait to the Thursday and see if there’s some better seats!
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Season ticket holder. I don’t know if I can make every game, are they saying that I must buy all the matches by the 11th otherwise I lose my seat? So I can’t buy them game by game, when I know if I can make it?
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I think you can still buy them game by game but need to decide soon if you want to buy the bundle and get 20% off. May be wrong, though.
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I wish the members sale date started when the ST window closed. Its a bit of a dilemma wondering whether to go for it on the Tuesday, or wait to the Thursday and see if there’s some better seats!
I’ve made the opposite journey to you as now a ST but in my experience last year it was always best to wait if you wanted one or two tickets. Same for league games. Don’t get them when the member window opens. Get them when the season ticket resales take place,
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Season ticket holder. I don’t know if I can make every game, are they saying that I must buy all the matches by the 11th otherwise I lose my seat? So I can’t buy them game by game, when I know if I can make it?
I’m same, don’t think I can make the Young Boys game, but I also don’t want to purchase my seat for Tel Aviv and Salzburg now as I could do without spending and extra £120 at the moment for something ages away
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I think you can still buy them game by game but need to decide soon if you want to buy the bundle and get 20% off. May be wrong, though.
I think you can buy them game by game but have until Thursday! Couldn't they have emailed us to tell us they were on sale and explain?
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I wish the members sale date started when the ST window closed. Its a bit of a dilemma wondering whether to go for it on the Tuesday, or wait to the Thursday and see if there’s some better seats!
I’ve made the opposite journey to you as now a ST but in my experience last year it was always best to wait if you wanted one or two tickets. Same for league games. Don’t get them when the member window opens. Get them when the season ticket resales take place,
Thank you - that’s really useful.
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Season ticket holder. I don’t know if I can make every game, are they saying that I must buy all the matches by the 11th otherwise I lose my seat? So I can’t buy them game by game, when I know if I can make it?
I’m same, don’t think I can make the Young Boys game, but I also don’t want to purchase my seat for Tel Aviv and Salzburg now as I could do without spending and extra £120 at the moment for something ages away
Yes but think of all the lovely interest the club is making on your hard earned money.
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Remembering purchasing the tickets for the conference league games in advance as a season ticket holder,as I couldn't attend one I was hoping for a refund, but they said I couldn't have one for that particular game because I purchased them as a discount if I remember it correctly,I don't know if would be the case this time
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I have received this from an old friend about the Tel Aviv gam regarding Solidarity with Palestine.
It’d be great if people could complete/join any of these actions that they feel able to:
🚨 RED CARD TO ISRAEL! BOYCOTT THE MATCH! 🚨
Aston Villa is scheduled to play Maccabi Tel Aviv in the Europa League on November 6th. This match must be cancelled! Why?
🔴 Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, as confirmed by the world’s leading genocide scholars (International Association of Genocide Scholars) . Over 63,500 Palestinians have been killed, including 17,000 children, and 90% of Gaza’s housing infrastructure has been destroyed .
🔴 UEFA’s double standards: While Russia was banned from UEFA competitions for invading Ukraine , Israel continues to participate despite violating international law and human rights. UEFA even displayed a "Stop Killing Children" banner but refused to name Israel as the perpetrator .
🔴 Sports should not whitewash crimes: Israeli teams must be suspended until Israel ends its genocide and respects Palestinian rights. FIFA and UEFA have a responsibility to uphold human rights, but they are failing .
WE DEMAND:
1️⃣ Aston Villa to publicly request UEFA to cancel the match against Maccabi Tel Aviv.
2️⃣ UEFA to suspend Israel from all competitions, just as they did for Russia.
3️⃣ Fans to boycott the match and protest peacefully.
🖊️ TAKE ACTION NOW!
1. Email Aston Villa’s Board:
o Demand they take a stand against genocide. Use the club’s official contact details or Fan Advisory Board .
2. Contact Aston Villa Players:
o Urge them to use their platform to speak out.
3. Write to Your Local MP:
o Pressure the UK government to call for Israel’s suspension from international sports.
📢 JOIN THE PROTEST!
• Date: November 6th (match day)
• Location: Villa Park (if possible) or online protests.
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How do you contact the Fan Advisory Board?
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Call International Rescue?
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How do you contact the Fan Advisory Board?
I have absolutely no idea!
(Although I am friends with Joanne McKibbens on FB so I could try her)
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"Complies with all related conditions, you'll never sing that".
https://bsky.app/profile/avfcthereligion.bsky.social/post/3ly6iypqdag2t
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When's the parade?
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I have received this from an old friend about the Tel Aviv gam regarding Solidarity with Palestine.
It’d be great if people could complete/join any of these actions that they feel able to:
🚨 RED CARD TO ISRAEL! BOYCOTT THE MATCH! 🚨
Aston Villa is scheduled to play Maccabi Tel Aviv in the Europa League on November 6th. This match must be cancelled! Why?
🔴 Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, as confirmed by the world’s leading genocide scholars (International Association of Genocide Scholars) . Over 63,500 Palestinians have been killed, including 17,000 children, and 90% of Gaza’s housing infrastructure has been destroyed .
🔴 UEFA’s double standards: While Russia was banned from UEFA competitions for invading Ukraine , Israel continues to participate despite violating international law and human rights. UEFA even displayed a "Stop Killing Children" banner but refused to name Israel as the perpetrator .
🔴 Sports should not whitewash crimes: Israeli teams must be suspended until Israel ends its genocide and respects Palestinian rights. FIFA and UEFA have a responsibility to uphold human rights, but they are failing .
WE DEMAND:
1️⃣ Aston Villa to publicly request UEFA to cancel the match against Maccabi Tel Aviv.
2️⃣ UEFA to suspend Israel from all competitions, just as they did for Russia.
3️⃣ Fans to boycott the match and protest peacefully.
🖊️ TAKE ACTION NOW!
1. Email Aston Villa’s Board:
o Demand they take a stand against genocide. Use the club’s official contact details or Fan Advisory Board .
2. Contact Aston Villa Players:
o Urge them to use their platform to speak out.
3. Write to Your Local MP:
o Pressure the UK government to call for Israel’s suspension from international sports.
📢 JOIN THE PROTEST!
• Date: November 6th (match day)
• Location: Villa Park (if possible) or online protests.
- Call Nicky Keyes
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How do you contact the Fan Advisory Board?
Via the Trust?
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I might email our Jess when I'm sober. If she's going to get re-elected it won't hurt her cause to be publicly associated with opposition to Israel.
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I have received this from an old friend about the Tel Aviv gam regarding Solidarity with Palestine.
It’d be great if people could complete/join any of these actions that they feel able to:
🚨 RED CARD TO ISRAEL! BOYCOTT THE MATCH! 🚨
Aston Villa is scheduled to play Maccabi Tel Aviv in the Europa League on November 6th. This match must be cancelled! Why?
🔴 Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, as confirmed by the world’s leading genocide scholars (International Association of Genocide Scholars) . Over 63,500 Palestinians have been killed, including 17,000 children, and 90% of Gaza’s housing infrastructure has been destroyed .
🔴 UEFA’s double standards: While Russia was banned from UEFA competitions for invading Ukraine , Israel continues to participate despite violating international law and human rights. UEFA even displayed a "Stop Killing Children" banner but refused to name Israel as the perpetrator .
🔴 Sports should not whitewash crimes: Israeli teams must be suspended until Israel ends its genocide and respects Palestinian rights. FIFA and UEFA have a responsibility to uphold human rights, but they are failing .
WE DEMAND:
1️⃣ Aston Villa to publicly request UEFA to cancel the match against Maccabi Tel Aviv.
2️⃣ UEFA to suspend Israel from all competitions, just as they did for Russia.
3️⃣ Fans to boycott the match and protest peacefully.
🖊️ TAKE ACTION NOW!
1. Email Aston Villa’s Board:
o Demand they take a stand against genocide. Use the club’s official contact details or Fan Advisory Board .
2. Contact Aston Villa Players:
o Urge them to use their platform to speak out.
3. Write to Your Local MP:
o Pressure the UK government to call for Israel’s suspension from international sports.
📢 JOIN THE PROTEST!
• Date: November 6th (match day)
• Location: Villa Park (if possible) or online protests.
When people start questioning Iranian backed Hamas involvement I might start to take notice
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Who did Hamas draw in the Europa League? You'd have to be pretty stupid to equate opposition to genocide with support for Hamas. I'll assume you aren't stupid so you're not doing that.
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The very fact that they are selling tickets tells me that it won’t be behind closed doors. The fact they are even in the competition shows UEFAs stance!
What I don’t want now is for any Villa supporter to be judged for wanting to see their team in a major European tournament we have a chance of winning.
It is possible to oppose the genocide, protest about the situation as many will do inside and outside the ground, but still want to watch the game. The most logical solution is not allowing away fans.
Imagine the statement the club could do? A stop killing children tifo on the holte to match UEFAs motto. The team turning their back for the Europa league anthem.
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I'd definitely want advice from the police on away fans because I'm not sure how it can possibly be managed safely and without violence.
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Who did Hamas draw in the Europa League? You'd have to be pretty stupid to equate opposition to genocide with support for Hamas. I'll assume you aren't stupid so you're not doing that.
Pretty generous (though the thought of Hamas qualifying for the Europa League gave me a bleak Sunday morning chuckle).
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A rare occasion I actually feel like I've had value for money this week with that bundle. £371 for 12 tickets (young un' and old 'un with the adult) and £15 for Brentford.
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That's because you can't beat Hamas for low, low prices all the time! Hamas, your budget warriors.
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Hamas playing in a European competition? How ridiculous!!
However, teams from Israel....
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A rare occasion I actually feel like I've had value for money this week with that bundle. £371 for 12 tickets (young un' and old 'un with the adult) and £15 for Brentford.
I came back on Friday afternoon from having minor cosmetic treatment on my teeth to find that I could buy Europa League tickets. I bought all 4 tickets for less than the dental bill !
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Who did Hamas draw in the Europa League? You'd have to be pretty stupid to equate opposition to genocide with support for Hamas. I'll assume you aren't stupid so you're not doing that.
No I am fucking not, but when approximately 500 thousand people including 80 thousand children have died in Yemen because of the war between Iranian backed Houthi and the Saudi Arabia government,then I have a problem,any sign of boycotting Saudi Arabia,no thought not or is just a Jew thing
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A rare occasion I actually feel like I've had value for money this week with that bundle. £371 for 12 tickets (young un' and old 'un with the adult) and £15 for Brentford.
I came back on Friday afternoon from having minor cosmetic treatment on my teeth to find that I could buy Europa League tickets. I bought all 4 tickets for less than the dental bill !
For full value on these investments make sure to beam proudly with a wide smile if Villa score/win and to clench and gnash your teeth should we keep playing like dunderheads.
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Who did Hamas draw in the Europa League? You'd have to be pretty stupid to equate opposition to genocide with support for Hamas. I'll assume you aren't stupid so you're not doing that.
No I am fucking not, but when approximately 500 thousand people including 80 thousand children have died in Yemen because of the war between Iranian backed Houthi and the Saudi Arabia government,then I have a problem,any sign of boycotting Saudi Arabia,no thought not or is just a Jew thing
Fucking hell, I am getting really confused now.
Are we playing a Jew team, Hammas, the Houthi’s or Saudi Arabia (Newcastle ??)
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Who did Hamas draw in the Europa League? You'd have to be pretty stupid to equate opposition to genocide with support for Hamas. I'll assume you aren't stupid so you're not doing that.
No I am fucking not, but when approximately 500 thousand people including 80 thousand children have died in Yemen because of the war between Iranian backed Houthi and the Saudi Arabia government,then I have a problem,any sign of boycotting Saudi Arabia,no thought not or is just a Jew thing
Wrong argument being as most people on here would love a boycott of Saudi Arabia for lots of things, and as with Russia and Qatar and recently the US, there will be calls to for England to boycott the World Cup.
But in this case we also haven't been drawn against a Saudi team in a competition where the organiser has already banned one country from participating because they have invaded another. Especially as Russia has not killed anywhere near as many as Israel have managed.
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If I can just interject here and ask a question that may have been covered earlier, but are the Europa tickets coming out as emails like last season does anyone know?
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If I can just interject here and ask a question that may have been covered earlier, but are the Europa tickets coming out as emails like last season does anyone know?
I don't think so, the tickets went straight to the app.
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Who did Hamas draw in the Europa League? You'd have to be pretty stupid to equate opposition to genocide with support for Hamas. I'll assume you aren't stupid so you're not doing that.
No I am fucking not, but when approximately 500 thousand people including 80 thousand children have died in Yemen because of the war between Iranian backed Houthi and the Saudi Arabia government,then I have a problem,any sign of boycotting Saudi Arabia,no thought not or is just a Jew thing
Wrong argument being as most people on here would love a boycott of Saudi Arabia for lots of things, and as with Russia and Qatar and recently the US, there will be calls to for England to boycott the World Cup.
But in this case we also haven't been drawn against a Saudi team in a competition where the organiser has already banned one country from participating because they have invaded another. Especially as Russia has not killed anywhere near as many as Israel have managed.
In Yemen approximately 450 thousand have died including a estimated 80 thousand children have died from starvation in the war between Saudi Arabians and the Iranian backed Houthi rebels since 2014 that's 11 years now, but not a word of protest from anyone
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I'm attempting to follow the logic, are you saying we should be all or nothing with protests? Either protest all.the wrongs in the world or none at all?
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Keep on raising it av82, but the argument in this case is because we are playing an Israeli team. If a Saudi or an Iranian team rocks up at VP for a match and there is not a peep about boycott/protests, then it could well be the gotcha you seem to think it is.
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I came back on Friday afternoon from having minor cosmetic treatment on my teeth to find that I could buy Europa League tickets. I bought all 4 tickets for less than the dental bill!
I bet that put a smile on your face.
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Who did Hamas draw in the Europa League?
They qualified, but were banned by UEFA because they wouldn't let the opposition out of the tunnel.
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Keep on raising it av82, but the argument in this case is because we are playing an Israeli team. If a Saudi or an Iranian team rocks up at VP for a match and there is not a peep about boycott/protests, then it could well be the gotcha you seem to think it is.
Not bothered one way or the other
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Houthi Rebels FC could easily play in the Irish league with a name like that. The Coleraine away match sounds like it might be fun.
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Houthi Rebels FC could easily play in the Irish league with a name like that.
The Corkonians wouldn't let them into the league with that name.
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Keep on raising it av82, but the argument in this case is because we are playing an Israeli team. If a Saudi or an Iranian team rocks up at VP for a match and there is not a peep about boycott/protests, then it could well be the gotcha you seem to think it is.
Not bothered one way or the other
Apologies, for someone who posted several times with "what about.....", I didn't realise you were not bothered.
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Its a shame to see so much politics come onto the thread, no one opinion will represent all the fans so the Club should not entertain an official response. I'll be there to support Aston Villa who ever we play, but if others don't feel they should go thats fine. There are plenty of things i don;t agree that our gorvernment do, but wouldnt expect it to stop me watching my team play, so the whole "lets get into the Haifa fans" seems unfair as well. Football used to be an escape from all the bad stuff in the world, now it seems thats been taken away.
Any way looking forward to the feyenoord away game. Once Villa release the ticket information!
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Football is political. It was political before any of us were born and will still be political long after we're all gone.
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Keep on raising it av82, but the argument in this case is because we are playing an Israeli team. If a Saudi or an Iranian team rocks up at VP for a match and there is not a peep about boycott/protests, then it could well be the gotcha you seem to think it is.
Not bothered one way or the other
Apologies, for someone who posted several times with "what about.....", I didn't realise you were not bothered.
That's okay my pleasure
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2025/september/08/Europa-League-on-sale-dates/
Don't know if this has been shared already but the members' window is opening for all fixtures tomorrow seemingly, regardless of whether you buy the bundle or not.
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I'm with Liam. Can we leave the politics out of this topic. All it does is divide our fanbase. There are some of us with profoundly different views on this subject and whilst I respect the rights of others to have their own different views, personally I don't come on H and V to see others trying to whip the fan base into some protest around it. Like I said, divisive. For some of us, this is more visceral/personal than Labour v the Tory's and quite frankly can't be condensed down to a few bullet points, a letter to the ticket office and an email to 'Jess' to suggest she curry's favour with the anti Israeli brigade.
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Someone posted something which might affect one of the European home matches. Surely that should be talked about. Two years ago we were talking about Legia at home as things happening around that match might have had a knock-on. I don't think anyone (in this thread at least) are "whiping" the fan-base.
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More faff with the tickets… because ive moved my nephew’s ticket to app share, i now can’t buy his tickets through my account. I can’t seem to move him back either?!
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Football is political. It was political before any of us were born and will still be political long after we're all gone.
Only if you allow it to be. Personally I don't give a fuck, as long as we beat them.
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Football is still political whether some want it to be or not. Villa v an Israeli side is political whether some want it to be or not.
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It's not going to be a pleasant evening.
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Football is still political whether some want it to be or not. Villa v an Israeli side is political whether some want it to be or not.
It can be to others. People have their choice. This conversation is as far as I'll be going into it...and I think I'll leave it right there.
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Choosing to ignore the political side of football and this match doesn't stop them being political.
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Season ticket holder. I don’t know if I can make every game, are they saying that I must buy all the matches by the 11th otherwise I lose my seat? So I can’t buy them game by game, when I know if I can make it?
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2025/september/08/Europa-League-on-sale-dates/
This should answer your question frank
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Football is political. It was political before any of us were born and will still be political long after we're all gone.
Wait, where are we going?
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Someone posted something which might affect one of the European home matches. Surely that should be talked about. Two years ago we were talking about Legia at home as things happening around that match might have had a knock-on. I don't think anyone (in this thread at least) are "whiping" the fan-base.
The Legia at home game didn't divide the fan base like this is doing. Thats my issue with it. Anyway heres to a villa win whoever we are playing against.
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Someone posted something which might affect one of the European home matches. Surely that should be talked about. Two years ago we were talking about Legia at home as things happening around that match might have had a knock-on. I don't think anyone (in this thread at least) are "whiping" the fan-base.
The Legia at home game didn't divide the fan base like this is doing. Thats my issue with it. Anyway heres to a villa win whoever we are playing against.
The thing is the very fact that there is a divide is exactly why Israeli clubs shouldn't be involved. It's not a judgement on whether they're right or wrong, it's acknowledging that there are very strong opinions on both sides, which massively increases the risk of violence. As I said earlier how the police view this game will have a huge impact but I can't imagine they'll be happy with the idea of a couple of thousand Israeli fans wandering around the city all day right now.
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Someone posted something which might affect one of the European home matches. Surely that should be talked about. Two years ago we were talking about Legia at home as things happening around that match might have had a knock-on. I don't think anyone (in this thread at least) are "whiping" the fan-base.
The Legia at home game didn't divide the fan base like this is doing. Thats my issue with it. Anyway heres to a villa win whoever we are playing against.
The thing is the very fact that there is a divide is exactly why Israeli clubs shouldn't be involved. It's not a judgement on whether they're right or wrong, it's acknowledging that there are very strong opinions on both sides, which massively increases the risk of violence. As I said earlier how the police view this game will have a huge impact but I can't imagine they'll be happy with the idea of a couple of thousand Israeli fans wandering around the city all day right now.
Regardless of opinions of what is going on out there, they shouldn't be in the competition because not one part of the country is actually in Europe
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Someone posted something which might affect one of the European home matches. Surely that should be talked about. Two years ago we were talking about Legia at home as things happening around that match might have had a knock-on. I don't think anyone (in this thread at least) are "whiping" the fan-base.
The Legia at home game didn't divide the fan base like this is doing. Thats my issue with it. Anyway heres to a villa win whoever we are playing against.
The thing is the very fact that there is a divide is exactly why Israeli clubs shouldn't be involved. It's not a judgement on whether they're right or wrong, it's acknowledging that there are very strong opinions on both sides, which massively increases the risk of violence. As I said earlier how the police view this game will have a huge impact but I can't imagine they'll be happy with the idea of a couple of thousand Israeli fans wandering around the city all day right now.
Regardless of opinions of what is going on out there, they shouldn't be in the competition because not one part of the country is actually in Europe
I think there are some factors beyond geography that they’re in UEFA rather than the AFC.
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Bologna tickets opened up to members this morning - they seem to be selling well.
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Bologna tickets opened up to members this morning - they seem to be selling well.
They've sold very well. Looks like only Terrace View left in the Holte and singles elsewhere.
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All it does is divide our fanbase. There are some of us with profoundly different views on this subject and whilst I respect the rights of others to have their own different views, personally I don't come on H and V to see others trying to whip the fan base into some protest around it.
This is nothing, you want to see it when we discuss the really important stuff, like the correct condiment for a bacon sandwich.
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This is nothing, you want to see it when we discuss the really important stuff, like the correct condiment for a bacon sandwich.
I've heard people who don't put butter on their bacon sarnies prefer to use ketchup (but are too ashamed to admit it, obvs).
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I've picked up tickets for the Bologna and Salzburg games, managed to grab a seat for myself for both in the trinity as the other 2 clash with gigs i've got booked in already. Always enjoy European night matches
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So does anyone know when Feyenoord away tickets will go on sale?
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Bologna tickets opened up to members this morning - they seem to be selling well.
They've sold very well. Looks like only Terrace View left in the Holte and singles elsewhere.
Yes although re-reading the website, ST holder have until the 11th to buy their seats, when they will be released, so I suspect a few more will come online on Thursday.
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So does anyone know when Feyenoord away tickets will go on sale?
The Dutch have got a decent spliff going so I reckon next Tuesday.
Other generic racial stereotypes are available.
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Choosing to ignore the political side of football and this match doesn't stop them being political.
Hard to ignore genocide on a daily basis.
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We should have a pre-match memorial to the hundreds of Palestinian footballers killed in the last two years.
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Bologna tickets opened up to members this morning - they seem to be selling well.
I am sorry but I have fallen for the 20% trick and bought all 4.
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So does anyone know when Feyenoord away tickets will go on sale?
The Dutch have got a decent spliff going so I reckon next Tuesday.
Other generic racial stereotypes are available.
Ik ben in de wolken zijn om dat te horen.
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Haha!
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I still think they've dropped the ball a little bit with the pricing even after the 20% discount.
The Young Boys game kicks off at 5:45pm which means I was never going to realistically make that without taking a half day.
The other games are then £57 and after spending £860 on a season ticket it's just too much money.
I'll still go to a few European games but like Man City, this is an issue and I think they're gonna have some struggles this year filling the ground for some of these games.
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I still think they've dropped the ball a little bit with the pricing even after the 20% discount.
The Maccabi game kicks off at 5:45pm which means I was never going to realistically make that without taking a half day.
The other games are then £57 and after spending £860 on a season ticket it's just too much money.
I'll still go to a few European games but like Man City, this is an issue and I think they're gonna have some struggles this year filling the ground for some of these games.
I completely agree- bundle purchased as I expect Home attendance will be a prerequisite for away tickets. However, less than 10% of the STHs will be thinking along the same lines (based on away capacities). The prices have significantly increased on the conference league games which didn't all sell out.
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I think the 20% was a clever ploy because it puts people off giving one a miss.
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I think the 20% was a clever ploy because it puts people off giving one a miss.
Yeah it is a clever ploy but I think it was also an admission that the starting price-point was too high.
The issue they've got, particularly with a 5:45 kick-off time to sell that they may be in a position where they're having to shift 20k £57 tickets whilst also trying to sell league games.
Think it's a wider issue but the pricing in football in general is going to really affect the attendances longer term.
The Europa League has been decimated by the CL changes, the quality of sides your up against is generally much weaker as well so it's a harder sell to get people to buy tickets when we're playing Salzburg and Young Boys
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Looking at the deals that are starting to appear for the GA+ seats I think they are going to find it tough across the board to sell tickets.
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There are lots and lots of tickets left for Bologna, was wondering if I'd miss out.
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There are lots and lots of tickets left for Bologna, was wondering if I'd miss out.
Things are just a bit flat atm. I'd imagine that winning the next 3 games would help shift quite a few more.
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Only a 21.6% chance of winning a competition that's so bad Tottenham were too good to play in it? Ffs, Emery out.
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There are lots and lots of tickets left for Bologna, was wondering if I'd miss out.
Things are just a bit flat atm. I'd imagine that winning the next 3 games would help shift quite a few more.
I don't think the fact we played them at home last season helps either.
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These sorts of things are a crock of shit. In my opinion.
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With Spurs winning it last season and Emerys record in the competition the pressure is really on. I know how it ends!
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I'm annoyed I went early on the ticket the day they were released to members, there are loads of much better seats now, tons in the Holte.
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I'm annoyed I went early on the ticket the day they were released to members, there are loads of much better seats now, tons in the Holte.
I did post this in response to Amfy. I bought tickets for every game at home last season as a member and for every single one it was better to wait until season ticket seats were released rather than the members release. There was never a problem and got some really good seats that way! The only real benefit of a membership was the coffee travel mug and it helped me get a season ticket again!
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My decision not to renew my membership at 50 quid plus p&p (for another travel mug) has paid dividend on this occasion.
3 tickets Upper North 3 rows back bagged.
I know this won't be as easy if we progress or have another great season but so what.
Thats Palace and the first Europa game under my belt.
And Coleshill Town in the FA Cup on Saturday 3pm kick off.
Yes a lovely 3pm on a Saturday, it might catch on
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I'm annoyed I went early on the ticket the day they were released to members, there are loads of much better seats now, tons in the Holte.
Same here, bought 2 for me and my lad in an area away from where we normally sit, but much better seats now. Is this cos ST holders have not taken their seats?
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I'm annoyed I went early on the ticket the day they were released to members, there are loads of much better seats now, tons in the Holte.
Same here, bought 2 for me and my lad in an area away from where we normally sit, but much better seats now. Is this cos ST holders have not taken their seats?
Yes. Started to panic when I couldn’t get three together in upper north on Tuesday. Got three in the front row on Thursday!
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I'm annoyed I went early on the ticket the day they were released to members, there are loads of much better seats now, tons in the Holte.
Same here, bought 2 for me and my lad in an area away from where we normally sit, but much better seats now. Is this cos ST holders have not taken their seats?
Yes. Started to panic when I couldn’t get three together in upper north on Tuesday. Got three in the front row on Thursday!
Yeah, next time will use same tactic.
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Season ticket for over 50 years. I won’t be attending the European games. I don’t like being taken for granted, and these prices are too high. I won’t be the only one.
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give it 24 hours after a(nother) shit result and performance and it's cast the net time for tickets
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I'm annoyed I went early on the ticket the day they were released to members, there are loads of much better seats now, tons in the Holte.
Same here, bought 2 for me and my lad in an area away from where we normally sit, but much better seats now. Is this cos ST holders have not taken their seats?
Yes. Started to panic when I couldn’t get three together in upper north on Tuesday. Got three in the front row on Thursday!
Yeah, next time will use same tactic.
I did advise this a couple of weeks ago. It worked better for every game i attended last season including league games. The membership window is a false start. Wait for the non season ticket take up or resale release.
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Any news on Feyenoord tickets ?
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I'm annoyed I went early on the ticket the day they were released to members, there are loads of much better seats now, tons in the Holte.
And I'm now doubly annoyed that I cannot actually go, because of a family thing that has since transpired! I'm happy to give my ticket away for free, Trinity A7 Row V and at least keep the history, so if anyone would like it, please pm me, although with how many are available, not sure I'll get any takers ;D
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Watched Bologna at the weekend in Serie A.
They looked a useful side.
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Potential KLM strikes on October 1st. This is the news story about yesterday's action. I can't see anything in it about how many and which flights were actually affected.
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/klm-strike-amsterdam-schiphol-airport-flights-cancelled-b2828046.html
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Apart from first line and headline saying over 100!
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Sounds like it will be eight hours in two weeks' time
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No one is going anywhere without tickets for Feyenoord game. Now news from the club so far.
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https://x.com/AyoubKhanMP/status/1968379890388058359
Ayoub Khan MP
@AyoubKhanMP
On 6 November, Aston Villa are due to host Maccabi Tel Aviv at Villa Park in Birmingham. We are calling on UEFA, the UK Culture Minister, and the club itself to urgently cancel this fixture or take immediate steps to ensure public safety and community harmony
Feels unlikely that we're going to choose to forfeit the match.
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Ayuob Khan can do one. There will only be community safety & harmony issues if irresponsible politicians stoke it up a notch or ten.
Anyway he needs to concentrate on his party’s membership issues.
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Ayuob Khan can do one. There will only be community safety & harmony issues if irresponsible politicians stoke it up a notch or ten.
Anyway he needs to concentrate on his party’s membership issues.
This is a conflict that no doubt stokes up fierce emotions on both sides within our fan base. If anyone feels strongly about MTA, they are free to attend or not, but once we have politicians getting involved in support of their side of the argument, it sets a dangerous precedent. There have been many victims on both sides of this terrible conflict, a fact that seems to get forgotten.
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Question for the techies out there. My brother has Bologna ticket bought as part of the bulk buy scheme. He now cannot attend this game but the bulk buy tickets are sold as non refundable non transferable. Is it possible for him to screenshot his ticket once released and send it to someone else to gain admission in his place.
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Ayuob Khan can do one. There will only be community safety & harmony issues if irresponsible politicians stoke it up a notch or ten.
Anyway he needs to concentrate on his party’s membership issues.
The replies to his message were sadly the sort of thing you'd expect, including one from the Islamophobic Jonny Gould.
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Screenshot won't work but if he emails the link to someone they should be able to download it to their Google/Apple Wallet. I transferred my Brugge ticket to a friend when I was ill at the last minute last season.
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Ayuob Khan can do one. There will only be community safety & harmony issues if irresponsible politicians stoke it up a notch or ten.
Anyway he needs to concentrate on his party’s membership issues.
Completely agree with this. This isnt helpful stoking the fires. Lets focus on the game.not the politics
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Screenshot won't work but if he emails the link to someone they should be able to download it to their Google/Apple Wallet. I transferred my Brugge ticket to a friend when I was ill at the last minute last season.
Thanks CDB. I thought it unlikely. Will tell him to try email route. If that doesn’t work my other brother gets to go to the pub and wait for me.
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Ayuob Khan can do one. There will only be community safety & harmony issues if irresponsible politicians stoke it up a notch or ten.
Anyway he needs to concentrate on his party’s membership issues.
We need a like button for stuff like this. 100% agree.
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2400 tickets for Feyenoord by the looks of it.
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I've just received the petition on my phone. Politics is always going to be linked with sport and I don't necessarily have a problem with that. Different set of circumstances but South Africa were eventually excluded during apartheid only because of political activism.
I would be in favour for Israel to be excluded from all international sporting activity in much the same way as Russia has.
However, I will not be signing this petition as it does not have clear aims as to what it is trying to achieve. Boycott the game...play it elsewhere...stop away fans...behind closed doors....which is it ? As others have said this appears to merely stoke up the fires.
If a petition appears with one clear stated aim, demanding Israel to immediately be excluded from all international sport I'll sign up.
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I've just received the petition on my phone. Politics is always going to be linked with sport and I don't necessarily have a problem with that. Different set of circumstances but South Africa were eventually excluded during apartheid only because of political activism.
I would be in favour for Israel to be excluded from all international sporting activity in much the same way as Russia has.
However, I will not be signing this petition as it does not have clear aims as to what it is trying to achieve. Boycott the game...play it elsewhere...stop away fans...behind closed doors....which is it ? As others have said this appears to merely stoke up the fires.
If a petition appears with one clear stated aim, demanding Israel to immediately be excluded from all international sport I'll sign up.
I have been pro-Palestinian for 50 years, and I agree with you.
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Screenshot won't work but if he emails the link to someone they should be able to download it to their Google/Apple Wallet. I transferred my Brugge ticket to a friend when I was ill at the last minute last season.
Thanks CDB. I thought it unlikely. Will tell him to try email route. If that doesn’t work my other brother gets to go to the pub and wait for me.
I have done the same last season too. The key is for you not to open the link when you receive the ticket as it will only allow one download IIRC
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You can undownload it, though.
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BREAKING: UEFA’s executive committee is expected to vote on Tuesday on whether to suspend Israel’s national team and clubs from all European competitions.
Qatar is reportedly leading a major push to bring the motion to a vote, pressuring UEFA members over the past week to secure a majority.
Only two or three countries currently oppose the move, with most favoring Israel’s removal.
https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1969328799079686548?t=0Mk9dL73iqnJgEm29Ks7xw&s=19
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BREAKING: UEFA’s executive committee is expected to vote on Tuesday on whether to suspend Israel’s national team and clubs from all European competitions.
Qatar is reportedly leading a major push to bring the motion to a vote, pressuring UEFA members over the past week to secure a majority.
Only two or three countries currently oppose the move, with most favoring Israel’s removal.
https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1969328799079686548?t=0Mk9dL73iqnJgEm29Ks7xw&s=19
Qatar don't have a vote in UEFA committees?
But hey, the guy's got posts championing the Taliban's record on women's rights, so he seems reliable.
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I've just received the petition on my phone. Politics is always going to be linked with sport and I don't necessarily have a problem with that. Different set of circumstances but South Africa were eventually excluded during apartheid only because of political activism.
I would be in favour for Israel to be excluded from all international sporting activity in much the same way as Russia has.
However, I will not be signing this petition as it does not have clear aims as to what it is trying to achieve. Boycott the game...play it elsewhere...stop away fans...behind closed doors....which is it ? As others have said this appears to merely stoke up the fires.
If a petition appears with one clear stated aim, demanding Israel to immediately be excluded from all international sport I'll sign up.
https://www.change.org/p/ban-israel-from-international-football-50929b2e-3aad-4c9e-87c8-a2bd713bc933?signed=true
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BREAKING: UEFA’s executive committee is expected to vote on Tuesday on whether to suspend Israel’s national team and clubs from all European competitions.
Qatar is reportedly leading a major push to bring the motion to a vote, pressuring UEFA members over the past week to secure a majority.
Only two or three countries currently oppose the move, with most favoring Israel’s removal.
https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1969328799079686548?t=0Mk9dL73iqnJgEm29Ks7xw&s=19
Qatar don't have a vote in UEFA committees?
But hey, the guy's got posts championing the Taliban's record on women's rights, so he seems reliable.
If it does happen I'm certainly not going to be complaining - but doing it just because the Qataris now have so much influence over European football definitely feels like the worst way for it to happen.
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BREAKING: UEFA’s executive committee is expected to vote on Tuesday on whether to suspend Israel’s national team and clubs from all European competitions.
Qatar is reportedly leading a major push to bring the motion to a vote, pressuring UEFA members over the past week to secure a majority.
Only two or three countries currently oppose the move, with most favoring Israel’s removal.
https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1969328799079686548?t=0Mk9dL73iqnJgEm29Ks7xw&s=19
Qatar don't have a vote in UEFA committees?
But hey, the guy's got posts championing the Taliban's record on women's rights, so he seems reliable.
If it does happen I'm certainly not going to be complaining - but doing it just because the Qataris now have so much influence over European football definitely feels like the worst way for it to happen.
I've been saying for years that a Champions League final is going to be played in Qatar or the UAE at some point. If the Qataris have got the ear of UEFA members on Israel then you can bet they might make moves on a showpiece final.
On the subject of Israel, I don't see why they're allowed to participate given the genocide currently playing out. More broadly, I've never understood why Israel is in UEFA. Maybe it's because the alternative is playing against Arab states regularly.
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Israel were thrown out of the Asian Football Confederation due to the politics involved - no-one would play them - and at one point played in the Oceania World Cup qualifiers. Someone somewhere decided that the least contentious place for them was UEFA in around 1990.
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On the subject of Israel, I don't see why they're allowed to participate given the genocide currently playing out. More broadly, I've never understood why Israel is in UEFA. Maybe it's because the alternative is playing against Arab states regularly.
On the first it's because nobody has put anything forward to stop them.
If the other members had kicked off and demand they be kicked out then they probably would have been. But the loudest voices don't want them to be kicked out.
On the second, they were in the AFC until 1974 when they were voted out. They played in the OFC in the 80s and would have been at the 1990 World Cup representing Oceania but lost a play-off to Colombia.
After that they joined UEFA. Which seems more sensible than them playing New Zealand.
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More broadly, I've never understood why Israel is in UEFA. Maybe it's because the alternative is playing against Arab states regularly.
Wait till you hear Australia takes part in Eurovision, and is a member of the Asian Football Confederation.
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More broadly, I've never understood why Israel is in UEFA. Maybe it's because the alternative is playing against Arab states regularly.
Wait till you hear Australia takes part in Eurovision, and is a member of the Asian Football Confederation.
Oh, I knew that. The Eurovision thing was a sixtieth (?) anniversary thing that was meant to be a one-off that's no longer a one-off on account of EV being so popular there.
Edit, thanks Dave and Exeter. I didn't realise they'd moved around the difference conferences.
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No sign of my Bologna ticket.
Deleted and reloaded the App, ticket appeared.
That seems to be a regular thing now.
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No sign of my Bologna ticket.
Deleted and reloaded the App, ticket appeared.
That seems to be a regular thing now.
That app is garbage. It doesn't respect notification preferences. I had to switch off all notifications for the app in the phone settings.
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BREAKING: UEFA’s executive committee is expected to vote on Tuesday on whether to suspend Israel’s national team and clubs from all European competitions.
Qatar is reportedly leading a major push to bring the motion to a vote, pressuring UEFA members over the past week to secure a majority.
Only two or three countries currently oppose the move, with most favoring Israel’s removal.
https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1969328799079686548?t=0Mk9dL73iqnJgEm29Ks7xw&s=19
Qatar don't have a vote in UEFA committees?
But hey, the guy's got posts championing the Taliban's record on women's rights, so he seems reliable.
It appears his source is a report in the Israeli press.
https://www.israelhayom.co.il/sport/israeli-soccer/article/18887252
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BREAKING: UEFA’s executive committee is expected to vote on Tuesday on whether to suspend Israel’s national team and clubs from all European competitions.
Qatar is reportedly leading a major push to bring the motion to a vote, pressuring UEFA members over the past week to secure a majority.
Only two or three countries currently oppose the move, with most favoring Israel’s removal.
https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1969328799079686548?t=0Mk9dL73iqnJgEm29Ks7xw&s=19
Qatar don't have a vote in UEFA committees?
But hey, the guy's got posts championing the Taliban's record on women's rights, so he seems reliable.
It appears his source is a report in the Israeli press.
https://www.israelhayom.co.il/sport/israeli-soccer/article/18887252
Then why was his the first report you saw?
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BREAKING: UEFA’s executive committee is expected to vote on Tuesday on whether to suspend Israel’s national team and clubs from all European competitions.
Qatar is reportedly leading a major push to bring the motion to a vote, pressuring UEFA members over the past week to secure a majority.
Only two or three countries currently oppose the move, with most favoring Israel’s removal.
https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1969328799079686548?t=0Mk9dL73iqnJgEm29Ks7xw&s=19
Qatar don't have a vote in UEFA committees?
But hey, the guy's got posts championing the Taliban's record on women's rights, so he seems reliable.
It appears his source is a report in the Israeli press.
https://www.israelhayom.co.il/sport/israeli-soccer/article/18887252
Then why was his the first report you saw?
Because someone sent it to me!
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Cool cool cool.
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Snarky today.
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Just remembering your pro bono media work on behalf of the Assad regime.
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Yeah that turned out well didn't it. They have an Al Qaeda terrorist in charge now. You must be pleased.
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Just remembering your pro bono media work on behalf of the Assad regime.
What have you done?
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Yeah that turned out well didn't it. They have an Al Qaeda terrorist in charge now. You must be pleased.
Just going to let this speak for itself, if I'm totally honest. By all means, keep defending children gassers and retweeting Taliban fanciers. For some reason you seem to think this gives you the moral high ground, and that's swell.
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I think we should kick all of the Syrian clubs out of the Europa League
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Feyenoord away tickets apparently on sale on Monday from 9.30.
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Screenshot won't work but if he emails the link to someone they should be able to download it to their Google/Apple Wallet. I transferred my Brugge ticket to a friend when I was ill at the last minute last season.
Thanks CDB. I thought it unlikely. Will tell him to try email route. If that doesn’t work my other brother gets to go to the pub and wait for me.
I have done the same last season too. The key is for you not to open the link when you receive the ticket as it will only allow one download IIRC
Dumb question. Will there be a link if the ticket is already in the app and not available until 3 hours before KO?
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If MTA are kicked out how would that work with regards points etc?
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If MTA are kicked out how would that work with regards points etc?
very tricky.
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I assume all their opponents just get awarded 3-0 wins. I'd still sue UEFA for loss of income from the lost home game. It's not like Israel wasn't committing genocide at the start of the season, we shouldn't lose money which could potentially be vital for FFP because of their intransigence.
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I assume all their opponents just get awarded 3-0 wins. I'd still sue UEFA for loss of income from the lost home game. It's not like Israel wasn't committing genocide at the start of the season, we shouldn't lose money which could potentially be vital for FFP because of their intransigence.
The easy bit is awarding the points to all of the opponents.
It certainly gets more tricky in compensating for the loss of income, they just need to come up with a solution.
In our case, just write of the CSR bollocks……simple.
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The fairest solution would be to give us a bye to the Final, with a 3 goal head start.
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Be so annoying watching us lose 4-3 to Ludogorets Razgrad.
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On sale from 2pm tomorrow.
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Screenshot won't work but if he emails the link to someone they should be able to download it to their Google/Apple Wallet. I transferred my Brugge ticket to a friend when I was ill at the last minute last season.
Thanks CDB. I thought it unlikely. Will tell him to try email route. If that doesn’t work my other brother gets to go to the pub and wait for me.
I have done the same last season too. The key is for you not to open the link when you receive the ticket as it will only allow one download IIRC
Dumb question. Will there be a link if the ticket is already in the app and not available until 3 hours before KO?
I honestly don’t know. In the past I used to print the ticket as a back up but I don’t think I received it for Newcastle ( I missed Palace) as they were in the app ( eventually).
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On sale from 2pm tomorrow.
Have you got the criteria?
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2025/september/21/Feyenoord-ticket-details/
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Thanks - may not get them on four aways last year, but will see.
So frustrating the club announce this late.
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Thanks - may not get them on four aways last year, but will see.
So frustrating the club announce this late.
To be fair, this would be on Feyenoord, not us.
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Thanks - may not get them on four aways last year, but will see.
So frustrating the club announce this late.
To be fair, this would be on Feyenoord, not us.
There was a post doing the rounds on social media saying neither UEFA or Feyenoord knew why there was a delay in Villa fans being informed of the size of allocation.
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Always more than you think. There's only 250~ of us with full cards apparently.
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BREAKING: UEFA’s executive committee is expected to vote on Tuesday on whether to suspend Israel’s national team and clubs from all European competitions.
Qatar is reportedly leading a major push to bring the motion to a vote, pressuring UEFA members over the past week to secure a majority.
Only two or three countries currently oppose the move, with most favoring Israel’s removal.
https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1969328799079686548?t=0Mk9dL73iqnJgEm29Ks7xw&s=19
If a club is disqualified or for any reason withdraws from the competition before all its matches in the league phase have been played, the results of all its matches played until that moment remain valid. A calculation of points will need to take place upon completion of the league phase to take the cancelled matches into account. Any club that has not been able to play its scheduled match against a disqualified/withdrawn club is awarded the average number of points earned by all clubs in its same seeding pot against the clubs in the same pot as that disqualified/withdrawn club in home matches, if the affected club was due to play at home, or in away matches if the affected club was due to play away. The league phase points of all matches that have been played, including the points obtained by clubs in matches involving the disqualified/withdrawn club before their disqualification/withdrawal are not adjusted in any way, and all taken into account for the average points calculation
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There was I thinking it might be our only three goal win of the season.
This will make the qualification permutations fun come January.
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So it did matter which pot we were in after all! So we could end up with about 2.17 points for that game?
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Just checked and they were second seeds, so might not be a massive average there. Will just have to win our other games, and at least should be fresher for Bournemouth game. Possibly worth missing out on a possible 1.3 or so points depending on how we do, for the extra rest.
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Possibly worth missing out on a possible 1.3 or so points depending on how we do, for the extra rest.
And to avoid the fuss that would be caused by the protests / counter-protests that would inevitably happen.
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Indeed. Feels like the idiots could have taken the decision a lot earlier, and it seems morally dubious that a few Qataris dying* is considered worthy of action whereas tens of thousands of Palestinians being murdered wasn't, but better late than never, I suppose.
* I am not suggesting that a few Qataris dying isn't A Bad Thing.
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This week's top seeds at home to second seeds match (UK time):
Wednesday 8pm
Dinamo Zagreb vs Fenerbahçe
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Sneaked in for a Feyenoord ticket at the opening of second tier as I only have 5 home from CL last season.
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https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=66166.msg4903215#new
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Has their been any valid sources that UEFA are looking at doing anything?
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Has their been any valid sources that UEFA are looking at doing anything?
I searched that question only yesterday and saw nothing about UEFA kicking Israeli sides out.
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The two links being used seems to be an anti-Israel twitter account and a pro-Israel anti-Qatar newspaper.
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I'm imagine Maccabi's visit on November 6th will bring anti-Israel/pro-Palestine protesters.
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They play PAOK on Wednesday so they need to decide soon.
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They play PAOK on Wednesday so they need to decide soon.
If there's minimal trouble when they play Palestine Action OK, then it should be fine when they come to Brum.
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Always more than you think. There's only 250~ of us with full cards apparently.
Ooh that means I’m ok for Go Ahead Eagles.
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Thanks - may not get them on four aways last year, but will see.
So frustrating the club announce this late.
To be fair, this would be on Feyenoord, not us.
There was a post doing the rounds on social media saying neither UEFA or Feyenoord knew why there was a delay in Villa fans being informed of the size of allocation.
Seems a bit slow on their end too. On the Feyenoord website it says tickets go on sale on Saturday which is stunningly late, though I did hear that they had offered a 4 game package so possibly waiting for those sales to be sorted first.
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Always more than you think. There's only 250~ of us with full cards apparently.
Ooh that means I’m ok for Go Ahead Eagles.
And me if that's right. Unless the corporates nick them first.
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Always more than you think. There's only 250~ of us with full cards apparently.
Ooh that means I’m ok for Go Ahead Eagles.
And me if that's right. Unless the corporates nick them first.
I’m sure there will be a Corporate and GA+ allocation but tbf some of them are STHs just like you and me. Anyway it’ll be 500-600 tickets I reckon and a nice day out in Deventer.
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Any reason why people can't use the "Tickets and Travel" section of the site?
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Has their been any valid sources that UEFA are looking at doing anything?
Guessing that if it were, a few more non-partisan sources might have picked up on it by now.
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All the sources are just quoting the original sources.
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Yup. Which is probably a good sign that it was nonsense.
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Poor show if so. Even more so after they had the banners out before the Super Cup Final.
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Surprised how easy it was to get a Feyenoord ticket. I had three sections to choose from. Presume even demand for away games now slacking off. Anyway looking forward to next week!
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Surprised how easy it was to get a Feyenoord ticket. I had three sections to choose from. Presume even demand for away games now slacking off.
Plus we never do anything of note in Rotterdam.
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Oooh might be able to get the misso a legit ticket tomorrow morning.
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Surprised how easy it was to get a Feyenoord ticket. I had three sections to choose from. Presume even demand for away games now slacking off. Anyway looking forward to next week!
Did it look like there were many left??
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You can't tell how many are left, you choose your block and that's as far as it goes. Two blocks left to choose from.
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Thanks, I did think they'd all go before it got to ST's, as I only went to Monaco last year in the Neutral section I didn't expect to get one, so it's good that I even have a chance this morning
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Grr. There were supposed to be a couple of hundred available for season ticket holders this morning, logged on in advance to five different devices (roping the family in as well). We all had fingers on buzzers ready....gone in five seconds. If anyone can recommend a reputable ticket site to buy in the home end then I'll just have to work on my Dutch accent.
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Grr. There were supposed to be a couple of hundred available for season ticket holders this morning, logged on in advance to five different devices (roping the family in as well). We all had fingers on buzzers ready....gone in five seconds. If anyone can recommend a reputable ticket site to buy in the home end then I'll just have to work on my Dutch accent.
Steve MacLaren can help on the accent!
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Grr. There were supposed to be a couple of hundred available for season ticket holders this morning, logged on in advance to five different devices (roping the family in as well). We all had fingers on buzzers ready....gone in five seconds. If anyone can recommend a reputable ticket site to buy in the home end then I'll just have to work on my Dutch accent.
Steve MacLaren can help on the accent!
Can anyone lend me a brolly?
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UEFA have shit the bed under pressure from the US.
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Based on what?
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Oophs, I meant to include a link.
https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/09/23/israel-spared-immediate-expulsion-from-uefa-after-us-pressure/
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Hmm.
Maybe I'm just being overly cynical, but we have a disreputable, right-wing Israeli media outlet reporting that under Qatari pressure Israel are going to be kicked out of UEFA.
No reputable outlets report the same.
The same disreputable, right-wing Israeli media outlet then reports that under US pressure UEFA have decided not kick Israel out after all.
No reputable outlets report any of this as ever having happened.
Doesn't really pass the smell test to me.
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Qatar and USA pressuring a European body....just bollocks.
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Maybe I'm just being overly cynical, but we have a disreputable, right-wing Israeli media outlet reporting that under Qatari pressure Israel are going to be kicked out of UEFA.
I'm not going to click the link but as they were stating it was the Qatari bought FIFA who was apparently pressuring UEFA the first time, were the US pressuring FIFA not to force UEFA, with threats of cancelling the World Cup (or even worse, going to charge tax on FIFA)?
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Maybe I'm just being overly cynical, but we have a disreputable, right-wing Israeli media outlet reporting that under Qatari pressure Israel are going to be kicked out of UEFA.
I'm not going to click the link but as they were stating it was the Qatari bought FIFA who was apparently pressuring UEFA the first time, were the US pressuring FIFA not to force UEFA, with threats of cancelling the World Cup (or even worse, going to charge tax on FIFA)?
My view (and I'd imagine Dave's) is that no one was pressuring anyone. It was, as Aftab said, just bollocks.
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I know no-one was doing it really, the paper were just making up a story that their readers will swallow on why Israeli teams are still in the competition. As they were stating initially that the Qatari's had bought FIFA and using their influence there to pressure UEFA, I was wondering what bollocks they imagined the Americans were bringing to counter Qatari's money.
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Pro-Palestinian protesters, most of them PAOK fans, gather ahead of a Europa League soccer match between PAOK and Israeli team Maccabi Tel Aviv in the port city of Thessaloniki, northern Greece, Wednesday, Sept. 24, 2025.
(https://i.ibb.co/B2H58dJY/pro-palestinian-protesters-most-of-them-paok-fans-gather-ahead-of-a-europa-league-soccer-match-betwe.jpg) (https://ibb.co/B2H58dJY)
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Seems Sky is the first other news source to cover it. Although most seems to be gathering thoughts from different people rather then anything concrete.
https://news.sky.com/story/high-level-talks-in-european-football-about-whether-to-ban-israel-from-international-competitions-13437606
https://news.sky.com/story/trump-administration-will-work-to-prevent-banning-israel-from-international-football-13437794
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After the first round of matches, England are fourth in the 5th place CL coefficient with our rivals main rivals between 0.5 and 1.0 below us. The three teams above us will soon drop down as they are smaller nations won't go far but have fluked a win.
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What will happens points wise for us if the Tel Aviv match is cancelled.
Regulation 29.03 states...
"If a club is disqualified or for any reason withdraws from the competition before all its matches in the league phase have been played, the results of all its matches played until that moment remain valid. A calculation of points will need to take place upon completion of the league phase to take the cancelled matches into account. Any club that has not been able to play its scheduled match against a disqualified/withdrawn club is awarded the average number of points earned by all clubs in its same seeding pot against the clubs in the same pot as that disqualified/withdrawn club in home matches, if the affected club was due to play at home, or in away matches if the affected club was due to play away. The league phase points of all matches that have been played, including the points obtained by clubs in matches involving the disqualified/withdrawn club before their disqualification/withdrawal are not adjusted in any way, and all taken into account for the average points calculation."
https://documents.uefa.com/r/Regulations-of-the-UEFA-Europa-League-2025/26/Article-29-Refusal-to-play-and-similar-cases-Online
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So, it would be better to play them and win (assuming we can win) rather then not play them and rely on others from Pot1.
A reminder of the current pots.
Roma, Porto, Rangers,Feyenoord,Lille,GNK Dinamo, Real Betis, Salzburg, Us.
Fenerbache, Braga, Crvena Zvezda, Lyon, Paok, Plzen, Fenecvaros, Celtic, Maccabi,
In the two matches so far between the teams in the two pots, it is 1-1. (Braga beat Feynoord. GNK beat Fenerbache)
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It's just games where pot 1 is at home to pot 2, isn't it? So ignore the Braga game. Played one, won one so far.
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As complicated as coefficients. My super dooper back of a fag packet opta computer prediction says if they were chucked out next week we would need 15.654321 points to finish top 8.
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If it does happen, and assuming points aren't rounded up or down, it basically means that goal difference doesn't matter. Because chances are loads of teams will finish on 15.327 points or something like that, quite unlikely to finish level. You'd be dividing by seven, I think, which isn't a great number for divisions.
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At the moment the average points is three isn't it then.
If they are banned before we play them, then the matches to watch out for {Pot1 home v Pot2 away}
Dinamo Zagreb v Fenerbache (Matchweek 1) 3 points.
Porto v Red Star (Matchweek 2)
Rangers V Braga (Matchweek 5)
Feyenoord v Celtic (Matchweek 5)
Lille v POAK (Matchweek 3)
Betis v Lyon (Matchday 4)
Red Bull Salzburg v (Robbie Keane's) Ferencvaros
If they are banned after we play them then we get whatever points we accrued that night. No mention of goal difference adjustments either.
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Not having goal difference adjustments seems a bit mad, though probably won't make a difference unless the seven teams get a nice divisible number of points, eg 7 or 14.
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FT: Feyenoord 0-2 Aston Villa
Since they returned to major European competition in 2023-24, only Real Madrid (19), Paris St-Germain (18) and Bayern Munich (17) have won more games in those competitions than Aston Villa (16): six in the Conference League, eight in the Champions League and two in the Europa League.
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Good stat.
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Full points from 2 of our more difficult games. Wins against Go Ahead Eagles and Maccabi Tel Aviv would put us in a strong position to finish top 8.
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Full points from 2 of our more difficult games. Wins against Go Ahead Eagles and Maccabi Tel Aviv would put us in a strong position to finish top 8.
In theory our two toughest games are now the last two. Do enough in the next four and we could rest players at the end, especially as one is our furthest away trip.
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Full points from 2 of our more difficult games. Wins against Go Ahead Eagles and Maccabi Tel Aviv would put us in a strong position to finish top 8.
In theory our two toughest games are now the last two. Do enough in the next four and we could rest players at the end, especially as one is our furthest away trip.
Be nice to be in a position to “play the kids” when it comes to the last two games but I’d quite like us to go and stuff one right up Fenerbache in that atmosphere.
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We would have just come off the busy Xmas period and away to Newcastle the following match. If we happen to be on 18 points then I would prefer the resting. Obviously different players and teams but unlike the CL where 16 points scraped through auto-qualifying, 14 +GD was enough for most.
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After the second round of matches, England are 2nd in the 5th place coefficient, just behind Portugal and between 0.6 and 1.5 points ahead of our normal rivals.
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After the second round of matches, England are 2nd in the 5th place coefficient, just behind Portugal and between 0.6 and 1.5 points ahead of our normal rivals.
Still feels like if we're going to be in next season's Champions League it'll come via the Europa League, so I think this season I'm comfortable going back to hoping all the English teams but us get funeralled in every game they play.
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Though it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that we qualify for Europa or Conference League by league position, in which case England getting an extra Champions League place would help as it moves the other qualifying spots one place down.
I'm with you, though, for now. Don't really mind Palace doing okay or even Forest if we are knocked out. The rest can fuck off, though. Liverpool, Man City or Chelsea adding another European Cup would be bad enough but the thought of Arsenal, Newcastle or, *vomits*, Tottenham joining our club would be beyond repulsive.
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FT: Feyenoord 0-2 Aston Villa
Since they returned to major European competition in 2023-24, only Real Madrid (19), Paris St-Germain (18) and Bayern Munich (17) have won more games in those competitions than Aston Villa (16): six in the Conference League, eight in the Champions League and two in the Europa League.
I think we can now consider ourselves 'crack European opposition', which is nice.
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After the second round of matches, England are 2nd in the 5th place coefficient, just behind Portugal and between 0.6 and 1.5 points ahead of our normal rivals.
Still feels like if we're going to be in next season's Champions League it'll come via the Europa League, so I think this season I'm comfortable going back to hoping all the English teams but us get funeralled in every game they play.
I agree with you and CD, but just posting for coefficients for info really. It could well be 6 English teams in the CL next year.
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Though it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that we qualify for Europa or Conference League by league position, in which case England getting an extra Champions League place would help as it moves the other qualifying spots one place down.
I'm with you, though, for now. Don't really mind Palace doing okay or even Forest if we are knocked out. The rest can fuck off, though. Liverpool, Man City or Chelsea adding another European Cup would be bad enough but the thought of Arsenal, Newcastle or, *vomits*, Tottenham joining our club would be beyond repulsive.
I laugh and enjoy them losing when I'm focusing on specifics, see Forest and Ange last night, but overall I'd be quite happy for our teams to get to the late rounds in all comps, get the coefficient up and then all lose the important games.
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It's a gamble, though. If they all get to the latter stages then they're quite likely to win trophies.
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It's a gamble, though. If they all get to the latter stages then they're quite likely to win trophies.
And even if they don't, to get to the latter stages they're inevitably going to have their fair share of "famous European nights at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium / St James' Park", and nobody wants to see that.
Safer for them all to just all end up broken and humiliated, and Bodo Glimt finish top of the league.
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Good points. I accept I was wrong. Fuck 'em all.
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As long as spurs and Newcastle go out in group phase im happy. With newcastle especially they will be in massive trouble next year without CL
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Last season, 15 points was a top 8 finish (one team got in with 14 points). So 3 wins from our remaining 6.
Kinda hoping we may be able to rest players in the later League phase games.
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Is it correct that if we finish 1st or 2nd we get second leg home games through to the semis?
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As we are now hoping to compete with the likes of Newcastle, Spurs and Chelsea in the PL, and perhaps the FA Cup as well, I'd have thought it in our interests for them to remain in the CL for as long as possible.
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Is it correct that if we finish 1st or 2nd we get second leg home games through to the semis?
Yes.
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It would be great if we can go to Türkiye in January having already qualified and giving some of the younger players the chance to experience a proper cauldron against Fenerbache. They would leave with new hairs sprouting all over their bodies, in a biological response of postive-masculinitiy.
That little lad Bradley Burrowes, who we brought on against Palace, looks like he could do with "growing-up" a bit.
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Is it correct that if we finish 1st or 2nd we get second leg home games through to the semis?
I thought it was through to the finals.
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It would be great if we can go to Türkiye in January having already qualified and giving some of the younger players the chance to experience a proper cauldron against Fenerbache. They would leave with new hairs sprouting all over their bodies, in a biological response of postive-masculinitiy.
That little lad Bradley Burrowes, who we brought on against Palace, looks like he could do with "growing-up" a bit.
Will you go to the game yourself?
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Touché Edward.
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Touché Edward.
Or as we might say in Ireland, Maith an fear, Éamonn.
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Thar barr!
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Does anyone know why it's taking so long to announce the away ticket details this season? It's particularly awkward to book travel arrangements with the next game where there's a good chance that we'll be told to collect tickets in Amsterdam and be banned from generally drinking in the town, like in Alkmaar.
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Does anyone know why it's taking so long to announce the away ticket details this season? It's particularly awkward to book travel arrangements with the next game where there's a good chance that we'll be told to collect tickets in Amsterdam and be banned from generally drinking in the town, like in Alkmaar.
Quite, the draw was over a month ago. Probably Dutch plod being as unhelpful as ever.
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Ticket pick up point will be Davo brewery in Deventer, from 12:30 on the day. Which will also be designated as our fan zone.
There'll be shuttle buses from there to the away end. They're looking into laying on a free bus from Amsterdam, but not sure when.
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Ticket pick up point will be Davo brewery in Deventer, from 12:30 on the day. Which will also be designated as our fan zone.
There'll be shuttle buses from there to the away end. They're looking into laying on a free bus from Amsterdam, but not sure when.
Why a bus from Amsterdam it’s hardly rocket science catching a train.
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Ticket pick up point will be Davo brewery in Deventer, from 12:30 on the day. Which will also be designated as our fan zone.
There'll be shuttle buses from there to the away end. They're looking into laying on a free bus from Amsterdam, but not sure when.
Why a bus from Amsterdam it’s hardly rocket science catching a train.
Yeah, let's shit on them doing a nice thing for us shall we?
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Ticket pick up point will be Davo brewery in Deventer, from 12:30 on the day. Which will also be designated as our fan zone.
There'll be shuttle buses from there to the away end. They're looking into laying on a free bus from Amsterdam, but not sure when.
Why a bus from Amsterdam it’s hardly rocket science catching a train.
Yeah, let's shit on them doing a nice thing for us shall we?
I’m not shitting on them, I just don’t see the issue in sorting out your own transport to get to Deventer. I mean it’s very generous if they do but I’m quite happy catching the train, if others want to get a free bus that’s fine.
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exigo, can I ask where you got your info from? I've just spoken to the ticket office and they couldn't tell me anything.
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exigo, can I ask where you got your info from? I've just spoken to the ticket office and they couldn't tell me anything.
From inside the club. The TO delegation are out there this week from memory, so it'll all get announced presumably later this week to go on sale next week.
Every other GAE game has used that Davo brewery as pick-up/fan zone too.
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Cheers.
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Was trying to go on the Go Ahead Eagles Forum, to see what their fans were saying about the match, but you have to register.
There is a verification question that baffles me. Something about 'what is Kowet?'.
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Was trying to go on the Go Ahead Eagles Forum, to see what their fans were saying about the match, but you have to register.
There is a verification question that baffles me. Something about 'what is Kowet?'.
From Wiki
Nicknames
The pride of the IJssel
Kowet (Dunglish pronunciation of "Go Ahead")
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I tried both Go Ahead and Goahead, without success.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2025/october/07/tickets-go-ahead-eagles-ticket-details/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2025/october/07/tickets-go-ahead-eagles-ticket-details/)
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Just 489 tickets
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That’s proper weird criteria.
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187 eligible in the first window
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187 eligible in the first window
Any ideas for windows 2 and 3?
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Not a clue beyond that. TO usually like two windows guaranteed, so pretty sure it'll go to window three.
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187 eligible in the first window
Any ideas for windows 2 and 3?
There'll be at least 302 tickets available for window 2, and possibly some for window 3.
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If you went to Mostar you'll be guaranteed a ticket.
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If you went to Mostar you'll be guaranteed a ticket.
Mostar and all the others – fair few didn't do Bruges II
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Plastics.
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I’ve got 10 Euro aways and yet anyone with 5+ is in the same window as me, does that make me a plastic Ads?
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I’ve got 10 Euro aways and yet anyone with 5+ is in the same window as me, does that make me a plastic Ads?
Chill, I suspect Ads' comment was tongue in cheek. Ten Euro aways is a great effort, btw.
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If you went to Mostar you'll be guaranteed a ticket.
Mostar and all the others – fair few didn't do Bruges II
Speaking of Bruges, what's the deal with their fans having so many Union Jacks in Bruges colours?
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I’ve got 10 Euro aways and yet anyone with 5+ is in the same window as me, does that make me a plastic Ads?
Chill, I suspect Ads' comment was tongue in cheek. Ten Euro aways is a great effort, btw.
Sorry for being chippy, just hit a nerve that’s all.
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I’ve got 10 Euro aways and yet anyone with 5+ is in the same window as me, does that make me a plastic Ads?
Chill, I suspect Ads' comment was tongue in cheek. Ten Euro aways is a great effort, btw.
Sorry for being chippy, just hit a nerve that’s all.
👍
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Plastics don't have nerves silly! Reeeeelax guy!
Anyway. Split into Cat 1 (whatever that is) at the front, which I couldn't click on, wheelchair in the middle and GA scum and GA+ plus at the top. Sadly I don't know how many are left so I can't wind you up as the day goes on.
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Plastics don't have nerves silly! Reeeeelax guy!
Anyway. Split into Cat 1 (whatever that is) at the front, which I couldn't click on, wheelchair in the middle and GA scum and GA+ plus at the top. Sadly I don't know how many are left so I can't wind you up as the day goes on.
No worries, I just don’t know why they have to make the Euro away criteria so fucking obtuse. We’ve been in 3 seasons now why can’t it just be like domestic aways, 12 aways, 11 aways etc etc. I’ve no issue with such a low allocation missing out to people who’ve done 11 or 12 it’s just getting lumped in with the 5+ crowd from last season that’s getting on my tits. Anyway we’ll see at 4pm if there’s any left and if I’m capable of clicking quickly enough.
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Whatever criteria they make up and yes first two are silly and home biased there are only about 250 qualified for third sale window and that includes all those in first two.
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I tried both Go Ahead and Goahead, without success.
Sterling work. BV's usually the man for other clubs forums, maybe he can have a crack at it with all the languages he understands.
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I tried both Go Ahead and Goahead, without success.
Sterling work. BV's usually the man for other clubs forums, maybe he can have a crack at it with all the languages he understands.
My initial reaction was that it was what Demitri types when referring to Kuwait.
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Whatever criteria they make up and yes first two are silly and home biased there are only about 250 qualified for third sale window and that includes all those in first two.
Really?
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Still tickets left after 14:00. Fastest finger first for the 3rd criteria.
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They typically tend to structure it so that the 1st window gets first dibs on seats (no seat reservations for this one though). The 2nd window should all get a ticket and the 3rd window is a mass brawl for the scraps. It's the same with league aways. I think they pick the criteria to create groups that fit that model.
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They typically tend to structure it so that the 1st window gets first dibs on seats (no seat reservations for this one though). The 2nd window should all get a ticket and the 3rd window is a mass brawl for the scraps. It's the same with league aways. I think they pick the criteria to create groups that fit that model.
Why the fascination with Euro Homes though they don’t do that with Domestic aways? I just don’t get the logic at all.
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They typically tend to structure it so that the 1st window gets first dibs on seats (no seat reservations for this one though). The 2nd window should all get a ticket and the 3rd window is a mass brawl for the scraps. It's the same with league aways. I think they pick the criteria to create groups that fit that model.
Why the fascination with Euro Homes though they don’t do that with Domestic aways? I just don’t get the logic at all.
Incentivises people to buy all the home tickets. Home tickets are the thing that bring revenue to Villa, not the away games.
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Basically yes. They weren't all selling out at home and there were people with all the aways but not all the homes so they changed the criteria to include homes midway through the Conference campaign.
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Ah right. Well good news after 30 mins of refreshing my phone screen on a dodgy WiFi here in the US managed to snag one. Fuck that was tense….
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But it’s this season that they have led with home Euro matches as priority so yes they are telling us to buy all home tickets. I have all conf criteria, 6 away from last season but only 5 home because I couldn’t make Bologna CL game but I have missed out😩
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But it’s this season that have led with home Euro matches as priority so yes they are tell us to buy all home tickets. I have all conf criteria, 6 away from last season but only 5 home because I couldn’t make Bologna CL game but I have missed out😩
Harsh.
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But it’s this season that have led with home Euro matches as priority so yes they are tell us to buy all home tickets. I have all conf criteria, 6 away from last season but only 5 home because I couldn’t make Bologna CL game but I have missed out😩
Well that’s a complete fucker for you Olaftab, sympathies mate. Penalised for missing one Euro home match, fucking hell.
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Ah right. Well good news after 30 mins of refreshing my phone screen on a dodgy WiFi here in the US managed to snag one. Fuck that was tense….
From Macclesfield to Massachusetts is one crazy ride!
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Ah right. Well good news after 30 mins of refreshing my phone screen on a dodgy WiFi here in the US managed to snag one. Fuck that was tense….
From Macclesfield to Massachusetts is one crazy ride!
Ha ha. As a pedantic point currently in New Hampshire but will soon be down there after a quick trip to Maine over the next 2 days.
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Maine was my first guess! Just thought Massa sounds better because not many places do sound better.
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Ah right. Well good news after 30 mins of refreshing my phone screen on a dodgy WiFi here in the US managed to snag one. Fuck that was tense….
From Macclesfield to Massachusetts is one crazy ride!
Ha ha. As a pedantic point currently in New Hampshire but will soon be down there after a quick trip to Maine over the next 2 days.
"From Macclesfield to Manchester" wouldn't have sounded as good.
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Anyone else only seeing GA+ for the remaining matches? I am a member and should be able to buy...they can't be sold out to GA can they???
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No today was the last day for Maccabi. It will have all the season tickets reserved.
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ST holders have until Thursday to claim their seat. If that is what you meant….
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Thought they Tweeted today. But that will be why. Loads will become available after ST lose their reservation window.
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Jacob Tanswell
New: West Midlands Police (WMP) has requested that supporters of Maccabi Tel Aviv not be allowed to attend the Europa League game vs Aston Villa. Talks have taken place & remain ongoing among WMP & other relevant parties. Story
@TheAthleticFC
#AVFC
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Good.
Though feel like this should have been announced weeks ago. Some people will have booked hotels and travel by now.
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Aston Villa can confirm the club has been informed that no away fans may attend the UEFA Europa League match with Maccabi Tel Aviv on Thursday, November 6, following an instruction from the Safety Advisory Group.
The Safety Advisory Group (SAG) are responsible for issuing safety certificates for every match at Villa Park, based on a number of physical and safety factors.
Following a meeting this afternoon, the SAG have formally written to the club and UEFA to advise no away fans will be permitted to attend Villa Park for this fixture.
West Midlands Police have advised the SAG that they have public safety concerns outside the stadium bowl and the ability to deal with any potential protests on the night.
The club are in continuous dialogue with Maccabi Tel Aviv and the local authorities throughout this ongoing process, with the safety of supporters attending the match and the safety of local residents at the forefront of any decision.
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Jolly good. Will probably take the kids now.
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Looks like the best case scenario.
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Sensible decision. There would be plenty of people milling about with no interest in the game whatsoever with an intent to cause trouble.
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Sensible decision. There would be plenty of people milling about with no interest in the game whatsoever with an intent to cause trouble.
There still will be.
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Just tried to buy tickets as a member. Still only showing GA+.
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Aston Villa can confirm the club has been informed that no away fans may attend the UEFA Europa League match with Maccabi Tel Aviv on Thursday, November 6, following an instruction from the Safety Advisory Group.
The Safety Advisory Group (SAG) are responsible for issuing safety certificates for every match at Villa Park, based on a number of physical and safety factors.
Following a meeting this afternoon, the SAG have formally written to the club and UEFA to advise no away fans will be permitted to attend Villa Park for this fixture.
West Midlands Police have advised the SAG that they have public safety concerns outside the stadium bowl and the ability to deal with any potential protests on the night.
The club are in continuous dialogue with Maccabi Tel Aviv and the local authorities throughout this ongoing process, with the safety of supporters attending the match and the safety of local residents at the forefront of any decision.
Can we just remind plod that we do not have a stadium bowl.
We are not in America
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So will tickets in the away end be made available to home supporters?
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So will tickets in the away end be made available to home supporters?
It would be good if they made the home end available.
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Just tried to buy tickets as a member. Still only showing GA+.
There's some GA in the Upper Trinity. I can only assume what will be the many unclaimed ST seats will be released when it goes on general sale on Monday.
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So will tickets in the away end be made available to home supporters?
It would be good if they made the home end available.
Well said, I've now been refreshing for 2 hrs 20 mins trying to get one for my DIL. Galling, but par for the course, when the ticket office has told me there will be thousands available.
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Reaction to this news on twitter is as thoughtful and fair-handed as you'd expect.
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Reaction to this news on twitter is as thoughtful and fair-handed as you'd expect.
Particularly enjoying the calls for us to forfeit the game. Which seems like a proportionate reaction.
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Reaction to this news on twitter is as thoughtful and fair-handed as you'd expect.
Particularly enjoying the calls for us to forfeit the game. Which seems like a proportionate reaction.
Why would we forfeit the game, we haven’t made the decision.
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Reaction to this news on twitter is as thoughtful and fair-handed as you'd expect.
Particularly enjoying the calls for us to forfeit the game. Which seems like a proportionate reaction.
Why would we forfeit the game, we haven’t made the decision.
Your problem here is that you're thinking like a normal person, not a swivel-eyed internet lunatic.
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Reaction to this news on twitter is as thoughtful and fair-handed as you'd expect.
Particularly enjoying the calls for us to forfeit the game. Which seems like a proportionate reaction.
Why would we forfeit the game, we haven’t made the decision.
Your problem here is that you're thinking like a normal person, not a swivel-eyed internet lunatic.
Just replied to a tweet from someone who posted that photo of the England team giving the Nazi salute, and said "Aston Villa before the Maccabi match".
Had to point out to them the laughable inappropriateness of posting it.
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The framing that is already taking place through some journalists - that this is about being unable to make Jews safe (which I thought conflating Jews and Israel was antisemitic) - as opposed to Maccabi being a bunch of nuts thugs is just.. Well, disingenuous is the politest I can call it.
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I have to say, it was one of Starmer's absolute lowest moments when he asked for the Palestine protests to not happen so as to protect the grief of British jews.
Conflating judaism with the state of Israel in some sort of jews = israel thing is absolutely not on, so to hear the actual PM doing it, dear oh fucking dear.
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His wife and kids are Jewish so I would imagine he has a fair idea of what Jews think from the community he lives in via the synagogue they attend think and what's said around the house.
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I am sure he knows what is said around the house, but it still remains a mistake to conflate Jewishness with Israel (ie acting like they're the same thing, when they are not).
It is the sort of language that is used by closet nazis on twitter giving David Baddiel or that woman off Countdown a hard time over Gaza, so it's disappointing to hear someone who should know better doing it.
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Incidentally, and I have said this before, it's another mistake to assume all Israelis are basically aligned with Netanyahu. Which is similar to the mistake people make when not realising that Iran, for example, has a very different cultural make-up to many of the Arab countries it is lumped in with.
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However, this is the EL thread, so I'll stop derailing.
Done the post count some good, mind.
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However, this is the EL thread, so I'll stop derailing.
Done the post count some good, mind.
Hang on, the post count is aspirational, and other people can see it?! I assumed it was there to measure my shame.
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Just tried to buy tickets as a member. Still only showing GA+.
There's some GA in the Upper Trinity. I can only assume what will be the many unclaimed ST seats will be released when it goes on general sale on Monday.
Saw those, family area?
Just hoping they update the site to be able to buy. Bought x2 for Bournemouth in our usual area no probs.
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I think it’s general sale on Monday so that’s when all the unclaimed ST seats get released isn’t it?
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Urgh, it really feels like this is about to become a "Big Talking Point" amongst the stupidest parts of the political right.
Can they not just piss off and stop being quite so silly?
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I think it’s general sale on Monday so that’s when all the unclaimed ST seats get released isn’t it?
No, they should have been released at 17.00hrs this evening for members. They've even sent an email to members, this evening, confirming that information. The ticket office confirmed this to me last week. Someone has, yet again, forgotten to press the right buttons!
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The framing that is already taking place through some journalists - that this is about being unable to make Jews safe (which I thought conflating Jews and Israel was antisemitic) - as opposed to Maccabi being a bunch of nuts thugs is just.. Well, disingenuous is the politest I can call it.
I took a peak online and fuck me - a lot of political points scoring going on. The draw was a complete no win situtation for the club and the city
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Urgh, it really feels like this is about to become a "Big Talking Point" amongst the stupidest parts of the political right.
Can they not just piss off and stop being quite so silly?
I think you're right.
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I think it’s general sale on Monday so that’s when all the unclaimed ST seats get released isn’t it?
No, they should have been released at 17.00hrs this evening for members. They've even sent an email to members, this evening, confirming that information. The ticket office confirmed this to me last week. Someone has, yet again, forgotten to press the right buttons!
Ah right, as you were.
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Urgh, it really feels like this is about to become a "Big Talking Point" amongst the stupidest parts of the political right.
Can they not just piss off and stop being quite so silly?
Like Tim Farron and Kier Starmer?
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Aston Villa can confirm the club has been informed that no away fans may attend the UEFA Europa League match with Maccabi Tel Aviv on Thursday, November 6, following an instruction from the Safety Advisory Group.
West Midlands Police have advised the SAG that they have public safety concerns outside the stadium bowl and the ability to deal with any potential protests on the night.
Absolutely shameful decision by WMP. Do..your..job. Banning Jews for their own safety is just pathetic.
And anyone who thinks this isn't going to rebound on Villa, despite the club being blameless, is hopelessly naive.
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Urgh, it really feels like this is about to become a "Big Talking Point" amongst the stupidest parts of the political right.
Can they not just piss off and stop being quite so silly?
Like Tim Farron and Kier Starmer?
Yes, them too. Exactly.
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Starmer thought there was a chance he could enjoy some Muslims getting a kicking and didn't want to miss out.
Maybe we should have told him the Maccabi fans were carrying placards, then he would be frightened.
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Urgh, it really feels like this is about to become a "Big Talking Point" amongst the stupidest parts of the political right.
Can they not just piss off and stop being quite so silly?
Like Tim Farron and Kier Starmer?
If they think they need to weigh in on it, absolutely. The twats.
I'm pretty sure their days aren't spent on the minutiae of football policing, and the various factors that the SAG consider. So sure, bollocks to them and stop making Villa matches your (helpful idiom) political football of the day.
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Aston Villa can confirm the club has been informed that no away fans may attend the UEFA Europa League match with Maccabi Tel Aviv on Thursday, November 6, following an instruction from the Safety Advisory Group.
West Midlands Police have advised the SAG that they have public safety concerns outside the stadium bowl and the ability to deal with any potential protests on the night.
Absolutely shameful decision by WMP. Do..your..job. Banning Jews for their own safety is just pathetic.
And anyone who thinks this isn't going to rebound on Villa, despite the club being blameless, is hopelessly naive.
They’re not banning Jews though are they? They’re banning a bunch of antagonistic Israeli hooligans. Or did Amsterdam last year pass you by?
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Aston Villa can confirm the club has been informed that no away fans may attend the UEFA Europa League match with Maccabi Tel Aviv on Thursday, November 6, following an instruction from the Safety Advisory Group.
West Midlands Police have advised the SAG that they have public safety concerns outside the stadium bowl and the ability to deal with any potential protests on the night.
Absolutely shameful decision by WMP. Do..your..job. Banning Jews for their own safety is just pathetic.
And anyone who thinks this isn't going to rebound on Villa, despite the club being blameless, is hopelessly naive.
Were the police being anti-Polish when they banned Legia supporters for acting like twats?
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They didn't ban them. The Poles had a strop because they wanted (the Ultras) to hand out tickets for their tiny away following. Absolutely get fucked they were told and much mayonnaise was lost in the aftermath.
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But Ayoub Khan, the independent MP for Birmingham Perry Barr, said he welcomed the news that Maccabi Tel Aviv fans would "not be permitted to watch the match at Aston Villa!"
He added: "Well done to all those that signed our petition!"
The petition, signed by Mr Khan and his fellow MP Jeremy Corbyn, attracted 3,861 signatures.
3,861? Martyn's posts on Threads get more likes than that.
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Aston Villa can confirm the club has been informed that no away fans may attend the UEFA Europa League match with Maccabi Tel Aviv on Thursday, November 6, following an instruction from the Safety Advisory Group.
West Midlands Police have advised the SAG that they have public safety concerns outside the stadium bowl and the ability to deal with any potential protests on the night.
Absolutely shameful decision by WMP. Do..your..job. Banning Jews for their own safety is just pathetic.
And anyone who thinks this isn't going to rebound on Villa, despite the club being blameless, is hopelessly naive.
They’re not banning Jews though are they? They’re banning a bunch of antagonistic Israeli hooligans. Or did Amsterdam last year pass you by?
If you've read every source on what happened on Amsterdam and you still want to blame it all on Maccabi supporters, I'm afraid there's no help for you.
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I don't think anyone thinks they're all to blame. A huge number of them acted like violent twats, though, just as not all Legia fans were to blame but they were all banned from attending.
If Maccabi fans are looking for someone to blame, they need to look at the fans that smashed up Athens and targeted Muslims, not WMP who are trying to stop them doing the same in Birmingham.
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On that basis Millwall would not be allowed out of Surrey Queys.
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On that basis Millwall would not be allowed out of Surrey Queys.
Is that how Manuel spells it?
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Sensible decision. There would be plenty of people milling about with no interest in the game whatsoever with an intent to cause trouble.
There still will be.
Yep. Haven't heard the last of this I'm guessing. Think there will be calls now for the game to.be played behind closed doors unfortunately.
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Sensible decision. There would be plenty of people milling about with no interest in the game whatsoever with an intent to cause trouble.
There still will be.
Yep. Haven't heard the last of this I'm guessing. Think there will be calls now for the game to.be played behind closed doors unfortunately.
Calls from whom, and on what grounds?
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Aston Villa can confirm the club has been informed that no away fans may attend the UEFA Europa League match with Maccabi Tel Aviv on Thursday, November 6, following an instruction from the Safety Advisory Group.
West Midlands Police have advised the SAG that they have public safety concerns outside the stadium bowl and the ability to deal with any potential protests on the night.
Absolutely shameful decision by WMP. Do..your..job. Banning Jews for their own safety is just pathetic.
And anyone who thinks this isn't going to rebound on Villa, despite the club being blameless, is hopelessly naive.
They’re not banning Jews though are they? They’re banning a bunch of antagonistic Israeli hooligans. Or did Amsterdam last year pass you by?
If you've read every source on what happened on Amsterdam and you still want to blame it all on Maccabi supporters, I'm afraid there's no help for you.
Where did I blame it all on Maccabi supporters?
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But Ayoub Khan, the independent MP for Birmingham Perry Barr, said he welcomed the news that Maccabi Tel Aviv fans would "not be permitted to watch the match at Aston Villa!"
He added: "Well done to all those that signed our petition!"
The petition, signed by Mr Khan and his fellow MP Jeremy Corbyn, attracted 3,861 signatures.
3,861? Martyn's posts on Threads get more likes than that.
Ayoub Khan? This Ayoub Khan? https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-67248739
Not sure he might be the most impartial voice on this particular subject.
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And where is every source?!
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Obviously haven't heard the last of it.
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Sensible decision. There would be plenty of people milling about with no interest in the game whatsoever with an intent to cause trouble.
There still will be.
Yep. Haven't heard the last of this I'm guessing. Think there will be calls now for the game to.be played behind closed doors unfortunately.
Calls from whom, and on what grounds?
Probably at Villa Park.
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Sensible decision. There would be plenty of people milling about with no interest in the game whatsoever with an intent to cause trouble.
There still will be.
Yep. Haven't heard the last of this I'm guessing. Think there will be calls now for the game to.be played behind closed doors unfortunately.
Calls from whom, and on what grounds?
They've started already Dave.
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Sensible decision. There would be plenty of people milling about with no interest in the game whatsoever with an intent to cause trouble.
There still will be.
Yep. Haven't heard the last of this I'm guessing. Think there will be calls now for the game to.be played behind closed doors unfortunately.
Calls from whom, and on what grounds?
They've started already Dave.
Who has?
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Sensible decision. There would be plenty of people milling about with no interest in the game whatsoever with an intent to cause trouble.
There still will be.
Yep. Haven't heard the last of this I'm guessing. Think there will be calls now for the game to.be played behind closed doors unfortunately.
Calls from whom, and on what grounds?
Probably at Villa Park.
Decent work.
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People can call for it as much as they want, unless the SAG pull the safety certificate allowing home fans then it will go ahead.
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Keir has said it's wrong to ban them.
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Blocking Maccabi Tel Aviv fans from attending an Aston Villa match is the "wrong decision", the prime minister has said.
Followers of the Israeli team will not be allowed to attend the Europa League match on 6 November because of safety concerns, the body responsible for issuing safety certificates for matches said on Thursday.
Sir Keir Starmer criticised the move, saying "we will not tolerate antisemitism on our streets" and that the role of police was "to ensure all football fans can enjoy the game, without fear of violence or intimidation".
Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch branded the decision a "national disgrace" and suggested Sir Keir should act to reverse it.
She wrote on X that Starmer should "guarantee that Jewish fans can walk into any football stadium in this country".
"If not, it sends a horrendous and shameful message: there are parts of Britain where Jews simply cannot go."
West Midlands Police said the game had been classified as high risk based on current intelligence and previous incidents, including "violent clashes and hate crime offences" between Ajax and Maccabi Tel Aviv fans before a match in Amsterdam in November 2024.
The force said it had concerns about its ability to deal with potential protests at the match at Villa Park.
The Safety Advisory Group, which issues safety certificates for matches, told Aston Villa that no travelling fans would be permitted at the match in Birmingham.
Ayoub Khan, the Independent MP for Birmingham Perry Barr, welcomed the decision.
He said: "From the moment that the match was announced, it was clear that there were latent safety risks that even our capable security and police authorities would not be able to fully manage.
"With so much hostility and uncertainty around the match, it was only right to take drastic measures."
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Kemi has called it a disgrace.
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That night is going to be fun in Birmingham!
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Blocking Maccabi Tel Aviv fans from attending an Aston Villa match is the "wrong decision", the prime minister has said.
Followers of the Israeli team will not be allowed to attend the Europa League match on 6 November because of safety concerns, the body responsible for issuing safety certificates for matches said on Thursday.
Sir Keir Starmer criticised the move, saying "we will not tolerate antisemitism on our streets" and that the role of police was "to ensure all football fans can enjoy the game, without fear of violence or intimidation".
Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch branded the decision a "national disgrace" and suggested Sir Keir should act to reverse it.
She wrote on X that Starmer should "guarantee that Jewish fans can walk into any football stadium in this country".
"If not, it sends a horrendous and shameful message: there are parts of Britain where Jews simply cannot go."
West Midlands Police said the game had been classified as high risk and that it had concerns about its ability to deal with potential protests at the match at Villa Park.
It said this was based on current intelligence and previous incidents, including "violent clashes and hate crime offences" between Ajax and Maccabi Tel Aviv fans before a match in Amsterdam in November 2024.
More than 60 people were arrested over the violence which city officials described as a "toxic combination of antisemitism, hooliganism, and anger".
The Safety Advisory Group, which issues safety certificates for matches, told Aston Villa that no travelling fans would be permitted at the match in Birmingham.
Football's European governing body Uefa said it wanted fans to be able to travel and support their team in a "safe, secure and welcoming environment".
Uefa told Reuters: "In all cases, the competent local authorities remain responsible for decisions related to the safety and security of matches taking place on their territory."
Ayoub Khan, the independent MP for Birmingham Perry Barr, welcomed the decision: "From the moment that the match was announced, it was clear that there were latent safety risks that even our capable security and police authorities would not be able to fully manage."
Arrests were made after violence broke out before the match between Ajax and Maccabi Tel Aviv in November last year.
Amsterdam officials described the violence as a "toxic combination of antisemitism, hooliganism, and anger" over the war in Gaza, Israel and elsewhere in the Middle East.
Various sporting events have seen protests over the war in Gaza, including when Israel's national team played Norway and Italy in recent World Cup qualifiers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c205gnz5p8xo
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Sorry - a lot of this is over my paygrade - but dont there fans have previous? Or am I over simplifying it.
Just seems like an absolute no-win for all involved
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This is what their fans did the last time they were out.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJFpuC7R3tL/?igsh=aWNsaTRjbm1mYWd1
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I don't think our political leaders are helping the situation. What a shitshow.
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Ok, hopefully it will all blow over. Who are we playing next?
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Sorry - a lot of this is over my paygrade - but dont there fans have previous? Or am I over simplifying it.
Just seems like an absolute no-win for all involved
Oh yes - they have a horrible song about why there are no schools in Gaza (because they killed all the children) - FTF
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I don't think our political leaders are helping the situation. What a shitshow.
Yup. What a way to put pressure on the police. I'll feel sorry for them if this gets u-turned.
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Villa up first on Newsnight. Must be a different producer to MOTD.
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I don't think our political leaders are helping the situation. What a shitshow.
Yup. What a way to put pressure on the police. I'll feel sorry for them if this gets u-turned.
Indeed. Then 500 Maccabi thugs turn up, met by 3,000 Gaza protestors who are nothing to do with Villa, and the following day the same pricks are clucking about how the police have failed to do their jobs.
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Sorry - a lot of this is over my paygrade - but dont there fans have previous? Or am I over simplifying it.
Just seems like an absolute no-win for all involved
Oh yes - they have a horrible song about why there are no schools in Gaza (because they killed all the children) - FTF
Honestly - I have no idea - I just read what I read at face value. I understand this is a very sensitive subject - but took the first article I read at face value. Like I said the poilce, club and city are damn what ever we do
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The saddest thing is that Aston Villa, our club, will be tarnished and denigrated by something the club has absolutely no control over.
The thickest of the thick will hear ‘Aston Villa………ban……..Tel Aviv……..Isreal…….jews…………’ and the club will be cast as the bad apple.
Aston Villa didn’t ask to play against them.
Aston Villa haven’t banned their fans
Aston Villa is not culpable in any way, shape or form, but our name will be dragged into the dirt because of outside influences and parties.
We can’t win.
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I don't think our political leaders are helping the situation. What a shitshow.
Thats problem - everything currently is just seen as a point scoring excercise.
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On the bright side - those Chinese spys are taking some of the heat off.
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Israel's Foreign Minister Gideon Sa'ar called the decision "shameful" and urged officials to reverse it.
Liberal Democrat leader Sir Ed Davey said it was "a serious mistake," adding: "You don't tackle antisemitism by banning its victims. This decision must be reversed."
Meanwhile, Reform UK leader Nigel Farage said the move "takes racial discrimination to a whole new level".
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"If Aston Villa cannot hold games without their racist intolerant fans threatening violence - they should be removed from the Europa league"
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I hope the words ‘Aston Villa’ were not vomited out of that cuntwanker Farage’s mouth.
I never want to hear those words from him, in ANY capacity.
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Oh good, can we go back to playing on Saturdays, then?
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Next up, Spurs.
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Villa up first on Newsnight. Must be a different producer to MOTD.
Ha!
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The saddest thing is that Aston Villa, our club, will be tarnished and denigrated by something the club has absolutely no control over.
The thickest of the thick will hear ‘Aston Villa………ban……..Tel Aviv……..Isreal…….jews…………’ and the club will be cast as the bad apple.
Didn't you conflate Jews with Israel the other week, saying they were going to "get it" or something like that?
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Couple of articles covering Amsterdam for anyone wanting them
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/13/wednesday-briefing-how-fan-violence-became-a-political-football
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/11/what-happened-amsterdam-israeli-football-fans
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Politicians should never be allowed to comment on anything to do with football. The twats haven't a clue what they're talking about.
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Villa up first on Newsnight. Must be a different producer to MOTD.
Interesting to see the badge they used was two badges out of date.
Although TBF, 'two badges' in the context of Villa could cover as little as three or four weeks.
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I don't think our political leaders are helping the situation. What a shitshow.
What's going to happen now is, it'll be reversed, there will be loads of unpleasant scenes - and I don't care who is causing it - and there will be a lot of 'told you so' from WMP.
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However, this is the EL thread, so I'll stop derailing.
Done the post count some good, mind.
Hang on, the post count is aspirational, and other people can see it?! I assumed it was there to measure my shame.
You haven't even reached 25k, so I refuse to engage with you.
Come back when you've done 50k and then we can talk.
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The saddest thing is that Aston Villa, our club, will be tarnished and denigrated by something the club has absolutely no control over.
The thickest of the thick will hear ‘Aston Villa………ban……..Tel Aviv……..Isreal…….jews…………’ and the club will be cast as the bad apple.
Aston Villa didn’t ask to play against them.
Aston Villa haven’t banned their fans
Aston Villa is not culpable in any way, shape or form, but our name will be dragged into the dirt because of outside influences and parties.
We can’t win.
Yep. Think the club need to get on the front foot and make this point loud and clear.
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However, this is the EL thread, so I'll stop derailing.
Done the post count some good, mind.
Hang on, the post count is aspirational, and other people can see it?! I assumed it was there to measure my shame.
My post count is on my CV and my Tinder profile.
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The saddest thing is that Aston Villa, our club, will be tarnished and denigrated by something the club has absolutely no control over.
The thickest of the thick will hear ‘Aston Villa………ban……..Tel Aviv……..Isreal…….jews…………’ and the club will be cast as the bad apple.
Aston Villa didn’t ask to play against them.
Aston Villa haven’t banned their fans
Aston Villa is not culpable in any way, shape or form, but our name will be dragged into the dirt because of outside influences and parties.
We can’t win.
Yep. Think the club need to get on the front foot and make this point loud and clear.
Probably best to just keep quiet, the press will have moved onto something else by the weekend. Any statement the club makes will piss some people off one way or the other.
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The saddest thing is that Aston Villa, our club, will be tarnished and denigrated by something the club has absolutely no control over.
The thickest of the thick will hear ‘Aston Villa………ban……..Tel Aviv……..Isreal…….jews…………’ and the club will be cast as the bad apple.
Aston Villa didn’t ask to play against them.
Aston Villa haven’t banned their fans
Aston Villa is not culpable in any way, shape or form, but our name will be dragged into the dirt because of outside influences and parties.
We can’t win.
Yep. Think the club need to get on the front foot and make this point loud and clear.
Probably best to just keep quiet, the press will have moved onto something else by the weekend. Any statement the club makes will piss some people off one way or the other.
Perhaps, though I do think a statement by the club reiterating that it was not their decision might be required.
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I don't think our political leaders are helping the situation. What a shitshow.
What's going to happen now is, it'll be reversed, there will be loads of unpleasant scenes - and I don't care who is causing it - and there will be a lot of 'told you so' from WMP.
UEFA will step in and order it to be played elsewhere behind closed doors.
You just know this will end up with all those of us who just want to turn up, have a pint and watch a match being the ones who get punished.
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I don't think our political leaders are helping the situation. What a shitshow.
What's going to happen now is, it'll be reversed, there will be loads of unpleasant scenes - and I don't care who is causing it - and there will be a lot of 'told you so' from WMP.
UEFA will step in and order it to be played elsewhere behind closed doors.
You just know this will end up with all those of us who just want to turn up, have a pint and watch a match being the ones who get punished.
Hopefully not. Still not convinced Israeli teams should be involved anyway. So there's a ceasefire. A week from now that ceasefire might be gone.
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Couple of articles covering Amsterdam for anyone wanting them
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/13/wednesday-briefing-how-fan-violence-became-a-political-football
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/11/what-happened-amsterdam-israeli-football-fans
Even if this were 100% true, it still doesn't justify the ruling today. Maccabi are not under UEFA sanction and there is no intelligence to suggest their fans are planning to instigate anything. This is a purely domestic issue and UEFA will have to respond, even though the club has done nothing wrong.
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Ajax fans were banned from attending their game in Marseille last week, but I didn't see anyone accusing OM or the French police of anti-Dutch intolerance.
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Couple of articles covering Amsterdam for anyone wanting them
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/13/wednesday-briefing-how-fan-violence-became-a-political-football
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/11/what-happened-amsterdam-israeli-football-fans
Even if this were 100% true, it still doesn't justify the ruling today. Maccabi are not under UEFA sanction and there is no intelligence to suggest their fans are planning to instigate anything. This is a purely domestic issue and UEFA will have to respond, even though the club has done nothing wrong.
Still in UKIP are you?
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Yeah, UEFA won't care. The UK government is more of an issue. I wouldn't even be surprised to see Trump getting involved though, and somehow the authorities being forced into a grovelling U-turn with resignations all over the place.
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Couple of articles covering Amsterdam for anyone wanting them
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/13/wednesday-briefing-how-fan-violence-became-a-political-football
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/11/what-happened-amsterdam-israeli-football-fans
Even if this were 100% true, it still doesn't justify the ruling today. Maccabi are not under UEFA sanction and there is no intelligence to suggest their fans are planning to instigate anything. This is a purely domestic issue and UEFA will have to respond, even though the club has done nothing wrong.
Which parts do you think aren't true?
And Uefa have already stated
Uefa told Reuters: "In all cases, the competent local authorities remain responsible for decisions related to the safety and security of matches taking place on their territory."
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Couple of articles covering Amsterdam for anyone wanting them
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/13/wednesday-briefing-how-fan-violence-became-a-political-football
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/11/what-happened-amsterdam-israeli-football-fans
……………Maccabi are not under UEFA sanction and there is no intelligence to suggest their fans are planning to instigate anything…………
You might want to retract that.
Whilst not specifically saying MTA, it appears there is intelligence.
‘West Midlands Police said the game had been classified as high risk and that it had concerns about its ability to deal with potential protests at the match at Villa Park.
It said this was based on current intelligence and previous incidents, including "violent clashes and hate crime offences" between Ajax and Maccabi Tel Aviv fans before a match in Amsterdam in November 2024’
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Couple of articles covering Amsterdam for anyone wanting them
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/13/wednesday-briefing-how-fan-violence-became-a-political-football
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/11/what-happened-amsterdam-israeli-football-fans
Even if this were 100% true, it still doesn't justify the ruling today. Maccabi are not under UEFA sanction and there is no intelligence to suggest their fans are planning to instigate anything. This is a purely domestic issue and UEFA will have to respond, even though the club has done nothing wrong.
Still in UKIP are you?
I’d imagine he’s fucked off to Reform by now.
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This is extremely predictable.
As some of us pointed out as soon as the draw was made, but got shouted down.
*clambers upon fragile moral high horse*
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This is extremely predictable.
As some of us pointed out as soon as the draw was made, but got shouted down.
*clambers upon fragile moral high horse*
Toronto seems to have won this one (at least in terms of who was first). I predicted behind closed doors (not in the bit I am quoting).
Home Tel Aviv FFS
Would this be behind closed doors?
I don't see why it would be.
If anything it will be home fans only if it’s a security concern.
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It's incredibly frustrating reading the dopey comments from people who know fuck all about football assuming the Maccabi fans are all angelic choirboys as opposed to having a sizeable contingent of racist hooligans.
And blaming Villa rather than WMP for the decision, because apparently they can't read.
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I don't know how this is going to pan out but I do know that the Villa will be the bad guys and a lot of very nasty people will get involved.
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Can’t see this decision standing for long.
Sun Pol Ed now reporting urgent meetings in Downing Street to ensure Maccabi supporters can attend. Starmer furious.
Not even sure this decision will last until tomorrow.
If violence had caused the decision it would be by UEFA. That it’s by Birmingham Council’s SAG means it’s about public safety. In all my years following Villa I don’t recall Millwall, Leeds, Chelsea, Blues, Rangers, Celtic, Cov being banned.
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Couple of articles covering Amsterdam for anyone wanting them
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/13/wednesday-briefing-how-fan-violence-became-a-political-football
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/11/what-happened-amsterdam-israeli-football-fans
Even if this were 100% true, it still doesn't justify the ruling today. Maccabi are not under UEFA sanction and there is no intelligence to suggest their fans are planning to instigate anything. This is a purely domestic issue and UEFA will have to respond, even though the club has done nothing wrong.
Still in UKIP are you?
Not since 2017.
Unsure how that's relevant to my argument.
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Seems pretty inevitable that Tommy Ten Names will try to capitalise and that, shamefully, plenty of Villa fans will take his side.
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No chance scum will use this as a way to spread hate. Oh.
Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧
@TRobinsonNewEra
Welcome to "Modern Britain."
Aston Villa released a statement saying no away fans may attend the UEFA Europa League match with Maccabi Tel Aviv as they can't guarantee their safety from baying mobs of islamists and commies in England's second largest city, Birmingham.
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Couple of articles covering Amsterdam for anyone wanting them
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/13/wednesday-briefing-how-fan-violence-became-a-political-football
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/11/what-happened-amsterdam-israeli-football-fans
Even if this were 100% true, it still doesn't justify the ruling today. Maccabi are not under UEFA sanction and there is no intelligence to suggest their fans are planning to instigate anything. This is a purely domestic issue and UEFA will have to respond, even though the club has done nothing wrong.
Still in UKIP are you?
I’d imagine he’s fucked off to Reform by now.
Nope. Never been a member of Reform. I'm politically neutral now, in as much as a plague on all their houses covers it.
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Seems pretty inevitable that Tommy Ten Names will try to capitalise and that, shamefully, plenty of Villa fans will take his side.
Spooky, as I was doing my post when you posted.
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Couple of articles covering Amsterdam for anyone wanting them
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/13/wednesday-briefing-how-fan-violence-became-a-political-football
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/11/what-happened-amsterdam-israeli-football-fans
Even if this were 100% true, it still doesn't justify the ruling today. Maccabi are not under UEFA sanction and there is no intelligence to suggest their fans are planning to instigate anything. This is a purely domestic issue and UEFA will have to respond, even though the club has done nothing wrong.
Still in UKIP are you?
Not since 2017.
Unsure how that's relevant to my argument.
Because it's a bit of a coincidence that you've come on here out of nowhere defending Maccabi supporters and talking about "Banning Jews for their own safety" when it wasn't about that at all.
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Couple of articles covering Amsterdam for anyone wanting them
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/13/wednesday-briefing-how-fan-violence-became-a-political-football
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/11/what-happened-amsterdam-israeli-football-fans
Even if this were 100% true, it still doesn't justify the ruling today. Maccabi are not under UEFA sanction and there is no intelligence to suggest their fans are planning to instigate anything. This is a purely domestic issue and UEFA will have to respond, even though the club has done nothing wrong.
Where do you get your intelligence reports?
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Couple of articles covering Amsterdam for anyone wanting them
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/13/wednesday-briefing-how-fan-violence-became-a-political-football
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/11/what-happened-amsterdam-israeli-football-fans
Even if this were 100% true, it still doesn't justify the ruling today. Maccabi are not under UEFA sanction and there is no intelligence to suggest their fans are planning to instigate anything. This is a purely domestic issue and UEFA will have to respond, even though the club has done nothing wrong.
Where do you get your intelligence reports?
Directly from his puckering ring piece.
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Couple of articles covering Amsterdam for anyone wanting them
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/13/wednesday-briefing-how-fan-violence-became-a-political-football
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/11/what-happened-amsterdam-israeli-football-fans
Even if this were 100% true, it still doesn't justify the ruling today. Maccabi are not under UEFA sanction and there is no intelligence to suggest their fans are planning to instigate anything. This is a purely domestic issue and UEFA will have to respond, even though the club has done nothing wrong.
Still in UKIP are you?
Not since 2017.
Unsure how that's relevant to my argument.
Because it's a bit of a coincidence that you've come on here out of nowhere defending Maccabi supporters and talking about "Banning Jews for their own safety" when it wasn't about that at all.
Do you know who would have been a part of the Safety Advisory Group who made the decision Dave?
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https://sgsa.org.uk/regulatory-support/safety-certification/safety-advisory-groups/
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I don't know how this is going to pan out but I do know that the Villa will be the bad guys and a lot of very nasty people will get involved.
Yes. It has been carnage on X.
Most of it from the usual suspects, but I was surprised to see Johnny Gould saying the club should immediately reverse the decision, when we didn't make it.
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I don't know how this is going to pan out but I do know that the Villa will be the bad guys and a lot of very nasty people will get involved.
Yes. It has been carnage on X.
Most of it from the usual suspects, but I was surprised to see Johnny Gould saying the club should immediately reverse the decision, when we didn't make it.
You're surprised that Johnny Gould talks shite?
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I don't know how this is going to pan out but I do know that the Villa will be the bad guys and a lot of very nasty people will get involved.
Yes. It has been carnage on X.
Most of it from the usual suspects, but I was surprised to see Johnny Gould saying the club should immediately reverse the decision, when we didn't make it.
You're surprised that Johnny Gould talks shite?
My bad.
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Nick Timothy MP
@NJ_Timothy
Welcome to modern Britain.
Away fans from Israel banned from Villa Park because the police cannot guarantee their safety in Birmingham.
I am sad, angry and ashamed. #avfc
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Couple of articles covering Amsterdam for anyone wanting them
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/13/wednesday-briefing-how-fan-violence-became-a-political-football
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/11/what-happened-amsterdam-israeli-football-fans
Even if this were 100% true, it still doesn't justify the ruling today. Maccabi are not under UEFA sanction and there is no intelligence to suggest their fans are planning to instigate anything. This is a purely domestic issue and UEFA will have to respond, even though the club has done nothing wrong.
Still in UKIP are you?
Not since 2017.
Unsure how that's relevant to my argument.
Because it's a bit of a coincidence that you've come on here out of nowhere defending Maccabi supporters and talking about "Banning Jews for their own safety" when it wasn't about that at all.
But it is about that. And it's absolutely ridiculous that you refuse to acknowledge it.
"There had also been dismay over a video from Asrar Rashid, the Birmingham-based cleric. “We will not show mercy to Maccabi Tel Aviv fans travelling to Birmingham for the Aston Villa FC match,” he said in a video shared on X."
"Telegraph Sport understands Palestine protest groups had made attempts to apply pressure on police in recent weeks. On Oct 6, campaigners from Game Over Israel – backed by the likes of “death to the IDF” Glastonbury singer Bobby Vylan – say they sent a report critical of Israel from the Hind Rajab Foundation to West Midlands Police."
And I'm suffering from whiplash that I was a far right Nazi not so long ago and now I'm getting slagged off for defending Jews.
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Jonny Gould is a twat waffle.
Not the MLB Jonny Gould though, he's sound.
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Somebody sent a report critical of Israel? The evil bastards. That's me convinced.
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Jonny is going to buy a half and half scarf, that will show them!
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It isn't all about that at all. It's about protestors and Maccabi supporters, both of whom could cause problems, as we've debated on here ever since the draw was made. And as no-one's called you anything, least of all a Nazi, there's no need to play the victim.
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What's annoying is that "Jews aren't safe in Birmingham" or "Jews aren't welcome in Birmingham" are the lines being peddled by so many unpleasant dimwits.
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Frankfurt were banned from Napoli 2 or 3 years ago and still ended up going and trashing the place.
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What's annoying is that "Jews aren't safe in Birmingham" or "Jews aren't welcome in Birmingham" are the lines being peddled by so many unpleasant dimwits.
It’s so anti-Semitic to conflate violent racists with ‘Jews’.
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Woke up to see this as the main headline on the BBC. Fucking hell, it the realms of wrong end of the stick, this beats it all. It comes to something when I'll informed and ignorant comments are identical from right wing loons with an agenda to the PM of the country. So depressing.
Football fans across Europe have been banned and treated like shit for decades, games moved to stupid ko off times but it's only when there is political gain that suddenly their rights matter.
We're fucked either way 'cos it reads as Aston Villa = anti semite and there is no voice louder than the PM of the country.
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This was always going to end badly.
It’s UEFA s fault, starting with Israel isn’t in Europe.
There will be trouble whatever happens.
30% of-the population of Bham is Muslim apparently.
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Couple of articles covering Amsterdam for anyone wanting them
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/13/wednesday-briefing-how-fan-violence-became-a-political-football
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/11/what-happened-amsterdam-israeli-football-fans
Even if this were 100% true, it still doesn't justify the ruling today. Maccabi are not under UEFA sanction and there is no intelligence to suggest their fans are planning to instigate anything. This is a purely domestic issue and UEFA will have to respond, even though the club has done nothing wrong.
Still in UKIP are you?
I’d imagine he’s fucked off to Reform by now.
Nope. Never been a member of Reform. I'm politically neutral now, in as much as a plague on all their houses covers it.
"Turns out the ashes of this house I helped burn to the ground are really shit"
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Very few commentators or politicians of note are saying anything about us. Its the mouthbreathers on Xin the comments who are probably Bots any road.
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I'm relieved at the decision because there was a real risk of serious disorder. I still think they'll be protest groups accompanied and opposed by a few nutjobs but, it will surely be more manageable by Plod with no away fans to kettle around the city.
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A few other "disgraces":
Away fans being banned from Serbia vs Albania literally a week ago
Celtic and Rangers matches being played with no away fans for most of the last three years.
West Ham fans being banned from travelling to Freiburg in 2023 and Rapid Vienna in 2021 because of earlier trouble they had caused
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A few other "disgraces":
Away fans being banned from Serbia vs Albania literally a week ago
Celtic and Rangers matches being played with no away fans for most of the last three years.
West Ham fans being banned from travelling to Freiburg in 2023 and Rapid Vienna in 2021 because of earlier trouble they had caused
Exactly. The frustrating thing with this is that MTV fans are either being portrayed as poor little victims or being conflated with all Jews, completely ignoring the actions of those fans which clearly led to this decision.
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I wouldn't like it if we were banned from Mordor, although they're doing their best to keep the ban going.
I suppose the difference here is you have secterian MPs in Perry Barr and Dewsbury whipping up angst against "zios", in a backdrop of Tarquins workshopping songs to "put them in the ground" and away support with a strong (at present anyway) nationalist element, some racists amongst them, a good chunk of thugs and then in the middle a local populous who want to eat their dinner and watch TV and Villa fans wanting 3 points. So the equivalence made are not really relevant.
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I don't think our political leaders are helping the situation. What a shitshow.
What's going to happen now is, it'll be reversed, there will be loads of unpleasant scenes - and I don't care who is causing it - and there will be a lot of 'told you so' from WMP.
Who will still get blamed for stoking the fire and then not controlling what happened.
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How long before we hear ‘Aston Villa, owned by Arab Nasim Sawaris……………..?’
As I said last night, the clubs name is being dragged through the dirt for something it didn’t ask for and most certainly, doesn’t deserve.
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The sucking up to Israel by politicians in all this is repellant. Only khan who I usually despise seems to have got what it’s about.
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Andrew Fox
@Mr_Andrew_Fox
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Statement from the Aston Villa Jewish Villans supporters’ club, of which I’m proud to be honorary president:
“In the summer of 1938, on a tour of Germany, the name Aston Villa became famous around the world, as the only visiting team who refused an official request to perform the Nazi salute prior to kickoff. Today, the same club have been forced by the local authorities to salute modern day Nazism.
We lay no blame on Villa - it would absolutely not be safe to allow thousands of Jews to walk around Aston and its surroundings. Why that may be so should trouble the entire country.
It must also be said that following the announcement, we have been inundated with Villa fans happy to give up their seats to travelling Tel Aviv supporters.”
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I hope any Villa fan stupid enough to give up their seat to a banned away fan gets banned for life.
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I wouldn't like it if we were banned from Mordor, although they're doing their best to keep the ban going.
I suppose the difference here is you have secterian MPs in Perry Barr and Dewsbury whipping up angst against "zios", in a backdrop of Tarquins workshopping songs to "put them in the ground" and away support with a strong (at present anyway) nationalist element, some racists amongst them, a good chunk of thugs and then in the middle a local populous who want to eat their dinner and watch TV and Villa fans wanting 3 points. So the equivalence made are not really relevant.
That's the thing I keep coming back to. I can fully appreciate that there are very valid safety concerns around the game and there is potential for serious disorder at the ground and in the city. If the decision has been made on that basis then I understand it.
I just get the feeling, however, that there may have been other motivations involved. I don't think it is beyond the realms of possibility that certain people with sectarian motivations just simply don't want Israelis in the area and have used the safety aspect as somewhat of an excuse.
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This fixture was always going to cause lots of headaches and see us in the national news one way or another. I wasn't expecting it to play out this way. That is, pretty much every politician choosing to undermine an independent body tasked with ensuring public safety by conflating a football club with a nation state and then conflating that state with an entire race.
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I wouldn't like it if we were banned from Mordor, although they're doing their best to keep the ban going.
I suppose the difference here is you have secterian MPs in Perry Barr and Dewsbury whipping up angst against "zios", in a backdrop of Tarquins workshopping songs to "put them in the ground" and away support with a strong (at present anyway) nationalist element, some racists amongst them, a good chunk of thugs and then in the middle a local populous who want to eat their dinner and watch TV and Villa fans wanting 3 points. So the equivalence made are not really relevant.
That's the thing I keep coming back to. I can fully appreciate that there are very valid safety concerns around the game and there is potential for serious disorder at the ground and in the city. If the decision has been made on that basis then I understand it.
I just get the feeling, however, that there may have been other motivations involved. I don't think it is beyond the realms of possibility that certain people with sectarian motivations just simply don't want Israelis in the area and have used the safety aspect as somewhat of an excuse.
So you don’t know then, you’re just making stuff up.
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Andrew Fox
@Mr_Andrew_Fox
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11h
Statement from the Aston Villa Jewish Villans supporters’ club, of which I’m proud to be honorary president:
“In the summer of 1938, on a tour of Germany, the name Aston Villa became famous around the world, as the only visiting team who refused an official request to perform the Nazi salute prior to kickoff. Today, the same club have been forced by the local authorities to salute modern day Nazism.
We lay no blame on Villa - it would absolutely not be safe to allow thousands of Jews to walk around Aston and its surroundings. Why that may be so should trouble the entire country.
It must also be said that following the announcement, we have been inundated with Villa fans happy to give up their seats to travelling Tel Aviv supporters.”
Fucking hell.
That’s disgraceful.
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I wouldn't like it if we were banned from Mordor, although they're doing their best to keep the ban going.
I suppose the difference here is you have secterian MPs in Perry Barr and Dewsbury whipping up angst against "zios", in a backdrop of Tarquins workshopping songs to "put them in the ground" and away support with a strong (at present anyway) nationalist element, some racists amongst them, a good chunk of thugs and then in the middle a local populous who want to eat their dinner and watch TV and Villa fans wanting 3 points. So the equivalence made are not really relevant.
That's the thing I keep coming back to. I can fully appreciate that there are very valid safety concerns around the game and there is potential for serious disorder at the ground and in the city. If the decision has been made on that basis then I understand it.
I just get the feeling, however, that there may have been other motivations involved. I don't think it is beyond the realms of possibility that certain people with sectarian motivations just simply don't want Israelis in the area and have used the safety aspect as somewhat of an excuse.
So you don’t know then, you’re just making stuff up.
I think its fairly clear what the motivations of the Member of Parliament for Perry Barr are. Who knows on the SAG though. Our new spotter is shite so no real insight from WMP, as you're more likely to find Jimmy Hoffa than him mingling with us. Bladen remains a good man, despite wearing his Dingle socks to Feyenoord.
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Andrew Fox
@Mr_Andrew_Fox
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11h
Statement from the Aston Villa Jewish Villans supporters’ club, of which I’m proud to be honorary president:
“In the summer of 1938, on a tour of Germany, the name Aston Villa became famous around the world, as the only visiting team who refused an official request to perform the Nazi salute prior to kickoff. Today, the same club have been forced by the local authorities to salute modern day Nazism.
We lay no blame on Villa - it would absolutely not be safe to allow thousands of Jews to walk around Aston and its surroundings. Why that may be so should trouble the entire country.
It must also be said that following the announcement, we have been inundated with Villa fans happy to give up their seats to travelling Tel Aviv supporters.”
Fucking hell.
That’s disgraceful.
I had a quick look at his Twitter feed, proper cesspool stuff. Looks like GB News and its ilk are going to make antisemitic Aston Villa their latest thing to kick around.
Josh Howie
@joshxhowie
I’m going to that fucking Villa match with a big Star of David and if the police stop me for my safety rather than deal with the threat of Islamists then this country is fucked. Anybody who wants to come join me then great.
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This game is very different to a derby to police.
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I agree it is. But also, so what. WMP saying they cannot monopolise violence is a bit failed state-y.
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I wouldn't like it if we were banned from Mordor, although they're doing their best to keep the ban going.
I suppose the difference here is you have secterian MPs in Perry Barr and Dewsbury whipping up angst against "zios", in a backdrop of Tarquins workshopping songs to "put them in the ground" and away support with a strong (at present anyway) nationalist element, some racists amongst them, a good chunk of thugs and then in the middle a local populous who want to eat their dinner and watch TV and Villa fans wanting 3 points. So the equivalence made are not really relevant.
That's the thing I keep coming back to. I can fully appreciate that there are very valid safety concerns around the game and there is potential for serious disorder at the ground and in the city. If the decision has been made on that basis then I understand it.
I just get the feeling, however, that there may have been other motivations involved. I don't think it is beyond the realms of possibility that certain people with sectarian motivations just simply don't want Israelis in the area and have used the safety aspect as somewhat of an excuse.
So you don’t know then, you’re just making stuff up.
Nope, just going off the back of the reaction of people like Ayoub Khan, whose feelings on the matter are there for all to see. Are you honestly saying that the strong anti-Israeli sentiments prevalent in certain sections of society at the moment might not have come in to play at all?
On the whole though, I do think it can be argued that the right decision has been made given the circumstances and the potential for serious disorder. As someone who has got a ticket for the match, I'd obviously hope to avoid any sort of threat outside the ground. It is a pretty unique situation and set of circumstances that I can't really see being replicated again, unless we play opposition from the same country of course. I just hope the decision was made in good faith.
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If the tories hadn't trashed police numbers they probably could...
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It's the outside influences that make this a very different game. The run up to the game even without away fans is going to be bad enough, never mind if it was going ahead with away fans. It's a draw that was always going to be a shit show and I can't wait for it to be done with as the Villa name will be in the news for the wrong reasons through no fault of our own.
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If the tories hadn't trashed police numbers they probably could...
6%/740 decrease means this sort of event cannot be policed? The Met are down 310 (33k and change v 32k and change) and seem to cope with this sort of thing, plus Millwall/Tottenham/West Ham et al zig zagging across a huge public transport network. You'd think a place with natural bottle necks like Aston or the Ciry Centre would be easier, but I suppose not.
Don't disagree with your second post. I assume they're well up for it where ever they go and we have sectarian MPs whipping up people that ordinarily wouldn't know/care we were playing.
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I wouldn't like it if we were banned from Mordor, although they're doing their best to keep the ban going.
I suppose the difference here is you have secterian MPs in Perry Barr and Dewsbury whipping up angst against "zios", in a backdrop of Tarquins workshopping songs to "put them in the ground" and away support with a strong (at present anyway) nationalist element, some racists amongst them, a good chunk of thugs and then in the middle a local populous who want to eat their dinner and watch TV and Villa fans wanting 3 points. So the equivalence made are not really relevant.
That's the thing I keep coming back to. I can fully appreciate that there are very valid safety concerns around the game and there is potential for serious disorder at the ground and in the city. If the decision has been made on that basis then I understand it.
I just get the feeling, however, that there may have been other motivations involved. I don't think it is beyond the realms of possibility that certain people with sectarian motivations just simply don't want Israelis in the area and have used the safety aspect as somewhat of an excuse.
So you don’t know then, you’re just making stuff up.
Nope, just going off the back of the reaction of people like Ayoub Khan, whose feelings on the matter are there for all to see. Are you honestly saying there aren't strong anti-Israeli sentiments prevalent in certain sections of society at the moment?
On the whole though, I do think it can be argued that the right decision has been made given the circumstances and the potential for serious disorder. As someone who has got a ticket for the match, I'd obviously hope to avoid any sort of threat outside the ground. It is a pretty unique situation and set of circumstances that I can't really see being replicated again, unless we play opposition from the same country of course. I just hope the decision was made in good faith.
Of course there are anti-Israeli sentiments in society currently, it would be naive to think there isn’t. I see no reason why professionals involved in SAG wouldn’t make the decision in good faith, they have all the evidence and their primary concern is the safety of the match going public and the local community. They definitely shouldn’t be having to think about any issues wider than that.
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What f**cks me off about all of this is that no-one has mentioned that Maccabbi fans are scummy right wing hooligans who showed their true colours in Amsterdam last year - I don't care if they were Jews, Christians or Scientologists - the local authority and police have made the right call. Starmer is a handwringer who panders to those who pay him, I resent the implication/inference that this decision is anti-semitic in any way. Picture this, if it was Millwall over in Israel for a game and they were banned, would anyone jump on the bandwagon and call it anti-Christian? Thought not! Starmer funnily hasn't mentioned anything about away fan bans in Glasgow derbies, I wonder why?
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Some Maccabi fans are scumbags. I don't like tarring all of their fan base with that title. Beitar are far far worse.
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Police Scotland not being able to control the bennie hat pricks of Celtic or Rangers running up and down in green or black Stone Island with their green or blue tea coseys on, was shameful. Back now though.
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Some Maccabi fans are scumbags. I don't like tarring all of their fan base with that title. Beitar are far far worse.
Agree with this. We spent many a long year in this country asking not to be tarred with the same brush let’s not do the same to the genuine MTA fans who just want to watch their team.
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Some Maccabi fans are scumbags. I don't like tarring all of their fan base with that title. Beitar are far far worse.
Agree with this. We spent many a long year in this country asking not to be tarred with the same brush let’s not do the same to the genuine MTA fans who just want to watch their team.
While it was also not an unreasonable response to ban our fans from the various competitions while we got our own house in order. MTA aren't an exclusively hoolie outfit like Beitar Jerusalem, but they have a consistent and recent track record of going away to other cities and becoming news. An incentive to sort that out is not something I have a problem with.
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Currently the subject of the 5 Live phone-in. Over-emotive language on both sides, e.g. the treatment of MTA fans in Amsterdam was a pogrom.
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Police Scotland not being able to control the bennie hat pricks of Celtic or Rangers running up and down in green or black Stone Island with their green or blue tea coseys on, was shameful. Back now though.
The recent banning of away fans at Old Firm games wasn't down to trouble and an inability of Police Scotland to manage the fans. It was due to the two clubs being unable to agree what their respective allocations should be e.g Rangers fans felt they had been too accommodating in giving Celtic a whole end at end at Inbox, so there was pressure to reduce the allocations which resulted in an impasse.
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Currently the subject of the 5 Live phone-in. Over-emotive language on both sides, e.g. the treatment of MTV fans in Amsterdam was a pogrom.
Reassuring that video hasn't killed the radio stars.
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Police Scotland not being able to control the bennie hat pricks of Celtic or Rangers running up and down in green or black Stone Island with their green or blue tea coseys on, was shameful. Back now though.
The recent banning of away fans at Old Firm games wasn't down to trouble and an inability of Police Scotland to manage the fans. It was due to the two clubs being unable to agree what the respective allocations should be e.g Rangers fans felt they had been too accommodating in giving Celtic a whole end at end at Inbox, so there was pressure to reduce the allocations which resulted in an impasse.
Quite right, I retract my attack on the denizens of Strathclyde Plod. But I maintain by second hand embarrassment for the uniformed gimps of Celtic and Rangers getting in the way of normal folks trying to do a wee bit of shopping on a Sunday.
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Currently the subject of the 5 Live phone-in. Over-emotive language on both sides, e.g. the treatment of MTV fans in Amsterdam was a pogrom.
Reassuring that video hasn't killed the radio stars.
But predictive text killed proof reading.
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Members can now access online tickets.
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Members can now access online tickets.
I await the PM's comments
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The bloke representing Villa is a disgrace
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What happened in the ‘Dam:
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/15KN1e7sy2m/?mibextid=wwXIfr
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Football terraces are not a free for all for "free speech" you quite rightly cannot tragedy chant or sectarian chant without risk of prosecution.
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What happened in the ‘Dam:
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/15KN1e7sy2m/?mibextid=wwXIfr
The Independent Advisor to the Government on antisemitism, John Mann (who did a 3 day on the ground in the Dam investigation) holds a different view. Suggests his report has been ignored and that this decision isn't based on Mayoral Advice from Amsterdam as indicated.
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The bloke representing Villa is a disgrace
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Members can now access online tickets.
Cheers, finally got x2 tickets. Block B2 has same price for under 14s as for adults???
Gone for B1 where a there are concessions for kids, much cheaper!
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This 'debate' on 5 Live is a disgrace.
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Members can now access online tickets.
Cheers, finally got x2 tickets. Block B2 has same price for under 14s as for adults???
Gone for B1 where a there are concessions for kids, much cheaper!
Pleasure, glad you've got the tickets.
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The bloke representing Villa is a disgrace
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I presume you mean Mr Gould, who is representing nothing but himself.
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This 'debate' on 5 Live is a disgrace.
It’s Nicky Campbell what were you expecting.
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The woman who stated that there were fights in Aston Park every week was barking mad.
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Wow, when did the BBC become a propaganda arm for the state of Israel? Callers allowed on are 1:6 in favour of pushing a false agenda. WMP were right to ban away fans based on what happened in Amsterdam, it's as simple as that!
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It’s an impossible situation for the club
Banning away fans means it’s blown up all over the news and social media, it was always going to be a problematic match with the potential for major issues, but now the spotlight is very firmly on the game which will probably exacerbate the chance for some trouble on the night
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Wow, when did the BBC become a propaganda arm for the state of Israel? Callers allowed on are 1:6 in favour of pushing a false agenda. WMP were right to ban away fans based on what happened in Amsterdam, it's as simple as that!
A conspiracy to limit pri-Israel callers you reckon?
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What f**cks me off about all of this is that no-one has mentioned that Maccabbi fans are scummy right wing hooligans who showed their true colours in Amsterdam last year - I don't care if they were Jews, Christians or Scientologists - the local authority and police have made the right call. Starmer is a handwringer who panders to those who pay him, I resent the implication/inference that this decision is anti-semitic in any way. Picture this, if it was Millwall over in Israel for a game and they were banned, would anyone jump on the bandwagon and call it anti-Christian? Thought not! Starmer funnily hasn't mentioned anything about away fan bans in Glasgow derbies, I wonder why?
Well said
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"The woman who stated that there were fights in Aston Park every week was barking mad." AGREED, it's not Anne Widdicombe in disguise is it?
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What happened in the ‘Dam:
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/15KN1e7sy2m/?mibextid=wwXIfr
The Independent Advisor to the Government on antisemitism, John Mann (who did a 3 day on the ground in the Dam investigation) holds a different view. Suggests his report has been ignored and that this decision isn't based on Mayoral Advice from Amsterdam as indicated.
Ah yes, John Mann who is, of course, famously impartial when it comes to anti-semitism and will focus entirely on the facts.
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What happened in the ‘Dam:
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/15KN1e7sy2m/?mibextid=wwXIfr
The Independent Advisor to the Government on antisemitism, John Mann (who did a 3 day on the ground in the Dam investigation) holds a different view. Suggests his report has been ignored and that this decision isn't based on Mayoral Advice from Amsterdam as indicated.
Ah yes, John Mann who is, of course, famously impartial when it comes to anti-semitism and will focus entirely on the facts.
Which facts in his report didn't you agree with?
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It’s an impossible situation for the club
And it's not even a decision we're taking. I imagine we'd have just got on with it whatever.
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What happened in the ‘Dam:
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/15KN1e7sy2m/?mibextid=wwXIfr
The Independent Advisor to the Government on antisemitism, John Mann (who did a 3 day on the ground in the Dam investigation) holds a different view. Suggests his report has been ignored and that this decision isn't based on Mayoral Advice from Amsterdam as indicated.
Ah yes, John Mann who is, of course, famously impartial when it comes to anti-semitism and will focus entirely on the facts.
Anyone have a link to his report on Amsterdam?
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"Jews aren't safe in Birmingham!' GB News
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1900547667169331
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What happened in the ‘Dam:
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/15KN1e7sy2m/?mibextid=wwXIfr
The Independent Advisor to the Government on antisemitism, John Mann (who did a 3 day on the ground in the Dam investigation) holds a different view. Suggests his report has been ignored and that this decision isn't based on Mayoral Advice from Amsterdam as indicated.
Ah yes, John Mann who is, of course, famously impartial when it comes to anti-semitism and will focus entirely on the facts.
Anyone have a link to his report on Amsterdam?
It hasn't been publicised so I was curious about the critique of something not read. An FOI to BCC might help.
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I'm sure you'd be just as equanimous (equanimitous? equanimitive?) were the report authored by, say, Chris Williamson.
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I'm sure you'd be just as equanimous (equanimitous? equanimitive?) were the report authored by, say, Chris Williamson.
I don't need to defend Labour Peers, but I think that's a touch unkind to Mann.
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This is going to get overturned. If a single Muslim or, indeed, any Brummie or travelling Villa fan gets hurt as a result, who will take the blame?
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I'm sure you'd be just as equanimous (equanimitous? equanimitive?) were the report authored by, say, Chris Williamson.
I don't need to defend Labour Peers, but I think that's a touch unkind to Mann.
Only a touch.
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This is going to get overturned. If a single Muslim or, indeed, any Brummie or travelling Villa fan gets hurt as a result, who will take the blame?
WMP.
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This is going to get overturned. If a single Muslim or, indeed, any Brummie or travelling Villa fan gets hurt as a result, who will take the blame?
Depends on the manner of the injury sustained. Presumably if there is a PL claim, then BCC. If its private land then the occupier. If there is violence then the perpetrator. What else would you expect?
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Police and Crime Commissioner has asked for a review.
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Don't think it's been mentioned but if anyone's looking for or wondering about precedent, away fans were banned at Maccabi's last home match
https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/029d-1ed142ba75a4-1ac02341efa2-1000--statement-on-maccabi-tel-aviv-vs-gnk-dinamo/
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Jack Angelides is the CEO of Maccabi Tel Aviv. This morning, he tells the BBC that Aston Villa has been relaying the position of the police to the Israeli club.
"I can't say they have taken any particular position," Angelides tells BBC Radio 4's Today programme. "They have just been keeping us up to date."
Angelides says he would have expected over 1,000 Maccabi Tel Aviv fans to attend the match.
"To be frank, it's met with some dismay about what this potentially is signalling," he says, when the topic comes to the fans ban.
He says he understands the reason the authorities may not be able to protect the fans. But he adds: "I do think this is an extremely important moment because of what it signifies. I don't use this term lightly but people ask: 'what does antisemitism look like?'"
"And it's often manifested as part of a process - a process in other words small events leading up to something that's more," he says.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx204j7x4pqt
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1000 fans? If they had 3000 in Amsterdam then we would be looking at 3 arrests and 1 Israeli suffering a minor injury pro rata.
16 arrests for locals and 0 injuries.
When we say this isn't the derby, we're absolutely right.
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1000 fans? If they had 3000 in Amsterdam then we would be looking at 3 arrests and 1 Israeli suffering a minor injury pro rata.
16 arrests for locals and 0 injuries.
When we say this isn't the derby, we're absolutely right.
I'd hazard a guess the nutters in their support would be more prevalent in the 1000 tbh so a straight comparison doesnt necessarily compute.
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1000 fans? If they had 3000 in Amsterdam then we would be looking at 3 arrests and 1 Israeli suffering a minor injury pro rata.
16 arrests for locals and 0 injuries.
When we say this isn't the derby, we're absolutely right.
I'd hazard a guess the nutters in their support would be more prevalent in the 1000 tbh so a straight comparison doesnt necessarily compute.
Possibly. But 10 arrests and 5 injuries? 49 arrests and 0 injuries? Amsterdam is a much trickier place to police with is layout.
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What happened in the ‘Dam:
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/15KN1e7sy2m/?mibextid=wwXIfr
The Independent Advisor to the Government on antisemitism, John Mann (who did a 3 day on the ground in the Dam investigation) holds a different view. Suggests his report has been ignored and that this decision isn't based on Mayoral Advice from Amsterdam as indicated.
Ah yes, John Mann who is, of course, famously impartial when it comes to anti-semitism and will focus entirely on the facts.
Which facts in his report didn't you agree with?
What a strange thing to ask, for a bunch of reasons but most importantly why would you watch a video like that, which clearly shows horrific racist chanting from MTA fans, and decide to go with another classic bit of Ads deflection.
How about, instead of your normal bullshit, you explain why you think it would be good for anyone to have those scenes replayed in Aston and why you're clearly siding with the people portraying those fans as victims.
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This is going to get overturned. If a single Muslim or, indeed, any Brummie or travelling Villa fan gets hurt as a result, who will take the blame?
What about travelling MTAV fans who have no interest in causing trouble and just want to watch a football match and support their team?
If the decision is overturned (which I think is likely to now happen) then I can only see that heightening tensions.
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What happened in the ‘Dam:
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/15KN1e7sy2m/?mibextid=wwXIfr
The Independent Advisor to the Government on antisemitism, John Mann (who did a 3 day on the ground in the Dam investigation) holds a different view. Suggests his report has been ignored and that this decision isn't based on Mayoral Advice from Amsterdam as indicated.
Ah yes, John Mann who is, of course, famously impartial when it comes to anti-semitism and will focus entirely on the facts.
Which facts in his report didn't you agree with?
What a strange thing to ask, for a bunch of reasons but most importantly why would you watch a video like that, which clearly shows horrific racist chanting from MTA fans, and decide to go with another classic bit of Ads deflection.
How about, instead of your normal bullshit, you explain why you think it would be good for anyone to have those scenes replayed in Aston and why you're clearly siding with the people portraying those fans as victims.
Questioning which elements of the report you disagree with, when you have questioned the veracity of facts contained in the same, is entirely germane with the issue.
Your ad hominem is uncalled for, I would suggest you engage properly or not at all.
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This is going to get overturned. If a single Muslim or, indeed, any Brummie or travelling Villa fan gets hurt as a result, who will take the blame?
What about travelling MTV fans who have no interest in causing trouble and just want to watch a football match and support their team?
If the decision is overturned (which I think is likely to now happen) then I can only see that heightening tensions.
They should try TNT. MTV are stopping the music thing now though perhaps reality TV is what we're trying to avoid here.
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Wow, when did the BBC become a propaganda arm for the state of Israel?
I ask myself the same question every time I see a report by Jeremy Bowen.
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This must be serious, they've got their best brains working on it, including Lisa 'Towns' Nandy. What could possibly go wrong? I predict a reversal of the decision, followed by the announcement of a curfew for residents of Aston.
https://bsky.app/profile/johntownley.bsky.social/post/3m3exeulw2s23
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This is going to get overturned. If a single Muslim or, indeed, any Brummie or travelling Villa fan gets hurt as a result, who will take the blame?
What about travelling MTAV fans who have no interest in causing trouble and just want to watch a football match and support their team?
If the decision is overturned (which I think is likely to now happen) then I can only see that heightening tensions.
What about it when the fans of any team are kettled, treated like shit or even locked up at Nottingham Train Station for no reason. Fans have been banned and treated like shit for years and now all of a sudden it's not fair when politicians can make some political capital.
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The mad thing is I'm not even sure what the political capital is here.
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Villa will get the blame whatever happens.
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Its being live reported on the homepage of the BBC - the problem is were going to be tainted by all this whatever happens as some of the worst on all sides are using it
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This is going to get overturned. If a single Muslim or, indeed, any Brummie or travelling Villa fan gets hurt as a result, who will take the blame?
What about travelling MTAV fans who have no interest in causing trouble and just want to watch a football match and support their team?
If the decision is overturned (which I think is likely to now happen) then I can only see that heightening tensions.
What about it when the fans of any team are kettled, treated like shit or even locked up at Nottingham Train Station for no reason. Fans have been banned and treated like shit for years and now all of a sudden it's not fair when politicians can make some political capital.
Quite. This happens all the time, but because so many other people are disingenuous twats, the club are getting hammered for a decision they weren't even responsible for making.
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The mad thing is I'm not even sure what the political capital is here.
Indeed. Utter lunatics like Hookey who form all their opinions from the Daily Mail and genuinely believe that Labour hate Jews are not going to change their mind. Some Muslims and people who generally think genocide is bad might be less likely to vote Labour as a result of Starmer's latest intervention.
If Maccabi fans attend and a single Muslim-owned shop or house gets smashed up, or a single local resident gets hurt as a result, people will quite rightly remember the politicians who stood up for the rights of racist hooligans above Brummies.
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I predict a reversal of the decision, followed by the announcement of a curfew for residents of Aston.
That would make sense. We should probably ban home fans from the game.
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I predict a reversal of the decision, followed by the announcement of a curfew for residents of Aston.
That would make sense. We should probably ban home fans from the game.
Or ban the players.
Until recently, most of ours seemed to have self-banned from turning up, in advance.
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Things I've learned in the past 24 hours - We've got a Jewish supporters club.
Things I already knew - Jonny Gould is a massive, massive twat.
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Things I've learned in the past 24 hours - We've got a Jewish supporters club.
Things I already knew - Jonny Gould is a massive, massive twat.
I had the misfortune to accidentally click on the link to Nicky Campbell earlier and he was holding forth, what a colossal bellend. I lasted about 30 seconds before turning off.
Anyone know how long the Jewish Supporters club has been in existence? I’d obviously heard of various other SCs mainly based on location and sexuality and disability but I hadn’t realised we had some religion based SCs. Which is fine in case anyone thinks I’m being disingenuous .
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Punjabi Villans have been around a while and have won awards.
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I love those lads.
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Yes I was aware of those guys, is Punjabi a cultural or religious thing, apologies for my ignorance in these matters.
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Yes I was aware of those guys, is Punjabi a cultural or religious thing, apologies for my ignorance in these matters.
Heritage/Culture really, a lot like a scottish or welsh fan club would be, but obviously with deep ties to Islam as the primary religion for the region.
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Yes I was aware of those guys, is Punjabi a cultural or religious thing, apologies for my ignorance in these matters.
Heritage/Culture really, a lot like a scottish or welsh fan club would be, but obviously with deep ties to Islam as the primary religion for the region.
Sikhism is the majority religion in Punjab, isn't it?
Edit: it is. Islam less than 2%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Punjab,_India
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Sikhism is the majority religion in the bit of Punjab that's in India. Most of the Punjab is in Pakistan and mostly Muslim.
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Yes I was aware of those guys, is Punjabi a cultural or religious thing, apologies for my ignorance in these matters.
Heritage/Culture really, a lot like a scottish or welsh fan club would be, but obviously with deep ties to Islam as the primary religion for the region.
Sikhism is the majority religion in Punjab, isn't it?
Edit: it is. Islam less than 2%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Punjab,_India
Of course it is and is what I intended to write but I was half reading a something about the Maccabi thing and my brain went into auto-pilot.
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Ah, I'm still getting used to partition.
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Oh, I was with you and thought that applied both sides of the border, so I guess I was right by accident the first time?
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Yes I was aware of those guys, is Punjabi a cultural or religious thing, apologies for my ignorance in these matters.
Heritage/Culture really, a lot like a scottish or welsh fan club would be, but obviously with deep ties to Islam as the primary religion for the region.
Sikhism is the majority religion in Punjab, isn't it?
Edit: it is. Islam less than 2%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Punjab,_India
That's the demographics of the Punjab state in India. 53.2% Muslim throughout the whole area known as Punjab.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab
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I'm thinking of setting up the Zoroastrian Lions (aka Avesta Villans). Anyone interested?
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The problem here isn't necessarily the Maccabi fans, that should, with the right level of policing & restrictions on movements be something they could control.
it's the potential for thousands of far right pro-Israeli and pro-Palistinian to use this game as an opportunity to clash in the streets around Aston. Some of whom will be intent on getting at the Maccabi fans.
I've seen or read some absolute nonsense today, ranging from why doesn't Prince William intervene to questioning whether we should now be allowed to host European tournament games in 2028.
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I think the Punjabi Villains are mostly from/descended from people from the Indian side or Sikhs who lived on the other side pre-partition and are therefore mostly Sikh, though. I may be wrong.
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Where was Starmer, Badenoch, Farage and the rest when the same SAG didn't allow the Divali festival last week?
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From everything i've seen, both Punjabi Villa and Punjabi Wolves are mainly Sikh. I use both as they are the well known local ones.
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Things I've learned in the past 24 hours - We've got a Jewish supporters club.
Things I already knew - Jonny Gould is a massive, massive twat.
I heard him on that Nicky Campbell programme on Five Live earlier. Him and that woman were painful to listen to
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Where was Starmer, Badenoch, Farage and the rest when the same SAG didn't allow the Divali festival last week?
What was the reason given ?
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Only good thing about Gould is that he doesn't have a yacht he mentions every 5 minutes.
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He has a helicopter, though.
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Where was Starmer, Badenoch, Farage and the rest when the same SAG didn't allow the Divali festival last week?
What was the reason given ?
Couldn't gurantee their safety.
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The only thing we need to know about Gould is that he is a prick.
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Sikhism is the majority religion in the bit of Punjab that's in India. Most of the Punjab is in Pakistan and mostly Muslim.
Exactly. Punjab has a strong and sometimes an arrogant belief in its culture and tradition and it straddles across both sides of the border. Same people but either Sikh or Muslims are absolutely mental about their common heritage as farming stock from the land blessed with 5 rivers. Punjab is where India and Pakistan get their crickets and other athletes but not scientists or doctors.
My family comes from Punjab so I better not be too critical😂
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I'm a bit confused about the remit of this Safety Advisory Group, and the scope and basis of it's powers. It's name does not suggest it has the power to impose a ban on anything.
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They issue a safety certificate for every game. No certificate, no game.
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I'm a bit confused about the remit of this Safety Advisory Group, and the scope and basis of it's powers. It's name does not suggest it has the power to impose a ban on anything.
My understanding is that unless the SAG (a meeting of various bodies - police, fire, medical, the club, local business etc) agrees to certify an event as safe then it can't go ahead - my bet would be because it would invalidate any insurance held if it went ahead without that certification.
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I do feel that if Starmer had done what he normally does and hide in Downing Street, saying fuck all while the story runs away from him, he would've for once been doing the right thing and this would've been a 24-hour Twitter furore before blowing itself out.
He came out swinging almost immediately. And here we are.
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The safety certificate is issued by the local authority and isn’t issued in a game by game basis.
The SAG can only offer expert advise.
Technically this was Villa’s decision following advice and the Club announcement was a little disingenuous. In reality they can’t ignore expert advice.
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It’s effectively a risk assessment that needs to be signed off and approved by all interested parties, by the sound of it.
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I do feel that if Starmer had done what he normally does and hide in Downing Street, saying fuck all while the story runs away from him, he would've for once been doing the right thing and this would've been a 24-hour Twitter furore before blowing itself out.
He came out swinging almost immediately. And here we are.
The desperation to show his anti antisemitic stance is the key.
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The police will be the biggest influence in the decision. Villa themselves will be down the list.
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Who's in charge of PR for Villa? Whoever they are, I hope they're keeping an eye on their blood pressure, the poor sod.
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I do feel that if Starmer had done what he normally does and hide in Downing Street, saying fuck all while the story runs away from him, he would've for once been doing the right thing and this would've been a 24-hour Twitter furore before blowing itself out.
I'm not so sure it would have. If the decision had been made a few weeks ago, then quite possibly. The fact that it's been taken post-Ceasefire, and after the events in Manchester, makes it more problematic.
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I do feel that if Starmer had done what he normally does and hide in Downing Street, saying fuck all while the story runs away from him, he would've for once been doing the right thing and this would've been a 24-hour Twitter furore before blowing itself out.
I'm not so sure it would have. If the decision had been made a few weeks ago, then quite possibly. The fact that it's been taken post-Ceasefire, and after the events in Manchester, makes it more problematic.
No fan of Starmer - if he says nothing he will be seen as weak and hiding and not supporting Police decision or of being Anti Jewish etc...
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I do feel that if Starmer had done what he normally does and hide in Downing Street, saying fuck all while the story runs away from him, he would've for once been doing the right thing and this would've been a 24-hour Twitter furore before blowing itself out.
He came out swinging almost immediately. And here we are.
He’s turning out to be as bad at Politics as Sunak.
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He has a helicopter, though.
You misheard. He's a hairy whopper.
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No fan of Starmer - if he says nothing he will be seen as weak and hiding and not supporting Police decision or of being Anti Jewish etc...
"Whilst it is disappointing that a decision has been made that the safety of the away fans, the home fans and the local residents could not be guaranteed, the organisations involved consider a lot of information from various sources and have decided this is the safest route. Obviously there is a lot of emotion involved with Israel and Palestine at the moment, and hopefully the current ceasefire and peace plans hold so the next time an Israeli team plays in the UK, the same risks won't be there."
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the police football unit said it had briefed the Home Office last week about the potential issues authorities might face, including restrictions on visiting fans.
The unit also says that if the government wants to treat football matches as "events of national significance", it needs to change the law, so that there is accountability with people making decisions.
It adds it is making this suggestion in light of the Casey Review, a damning 2023 report into deep failings of the Metropolitan Police, as well as disorder ahead of the 2021 Euro men's final at Wembley stadium.
In the latter's case, drunkenness, disorder and violence erupted as 2,000 people without tickets managed to get into the stadium, causing what has been described as a "national day of shame".
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The Prime Minister and Home Secretary have a duty to support a decision made by police. If other information based on improved safety situation becomes available decision can be changed. I’d rather they were allowed than not allowed.
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Things I've learned in the past 24 hours - We've got a Jewish supporters club.
Things I already knew - Jonny Gould is a massive, massive twat.
I had the misfortune to accidentally click on the link to Nicky Campbell earlier and he was holding forth, what a colossal bellend. I lasted about 30 seconds before turning off.
Anyone know how long the Jewish Supporters club has been in existence? I’d obviously heard of various other SCs mainly based on location and sexuality and disability but I hadn’t realised we had some religion based SCs. Which is fine in case anyone thinks I’m being disingenuous .
Fack off. It’s the supporters club of Jews.
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Things I've learned in the past 24 hours - We've got a Jewish supporters club.
Things I already knew - Jonny Gould is a massive, massive twat.
I had the misfortune to accidentally click on the link to Nicky Campbell earlier and he was holding forth, what a colossal bellend. I lasted about 30 seconds before turning off.
Anyone know how long the Jewish Supporters club has been in existence? I’d obviously heard of various other SCs mainly based on location and sexuality and disability but I hadn’t realised we had some religion based SCs. Which is fine in case anyone thinks I’m being disingenuous .
Fack off. It’s the supporters club of Jews.
SPLITTERS!
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The Prime Minister and Home Secretary have a duty to support a decision made by police. If other information based on improved safety situation becomes available decision can be changed. I’d rather they were allowed than not allowed.
Although I nor my 2 adult sons live in the Birmingham area (It's Manchester area for all 3 of us). I have written to my Labour MP outlining my disagreement with Keir Starmer's pronouncements and requesting her to make representations to both him and the Home Secretary. I have finished my email by writing "It comes to something when a Labour Prime Minister is on the same side of the argument as Kemi Badenoch and Nigel Farage." Events over the weekend may supersede her or one of her staff seeing my email on Monday, but I've made my feelings known regarding the potential safety of one of her constituents. I've told her that in the event of the ban being rescinded and trouble breaking out by whoever, then not to apportion any blame to WMP or the Villa.
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What happened in the ‘Dam:
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/15KN1e7sy2m/?mibextid=wwXIfr
Thanks for posting this link, Percy, was about to do the same. It’s truly amazing how these propaganda techniques have remained unchanged over such a long period (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaming_the_Victims), and yet continue to be so effective.
There are a multitude of reasons why MTA fans should be banned from the forthcoming game at Villa Park. Recent history of hooliganism is only one of those reasons, but is sufficient justification in this case.
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I do feel that if Starmer had done what he normally does and hide in Downing Street, saying fuck all while the story runs away from him, he would've for once been doing the right thing and this would've been a 24-hour Twitter furore before blowing itself out.
He came out swinging almost immediately. And here we are.
He’s turning out to be as bad at Politics as Sunak.
I'm in no way a Tory voter but this is worse than anything Sunak did. Saying that I don't think even Boris Johnson would have chucked a gallon of petrol on the fire like Starmer has.
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I do feel that if Starmer had done what he normally does and hide in Downing Street, saying fuck all while the story runs away from him, he would've for once been doing the right thing and this would've been a 24-hour Twitter furore before blowing itself out.
He came out swinging almost immediately. And here we are.
He’s turning out to be as bad at Politics as Sunak.
I'm in no way a Tory voter but this is worse than anything Sunak did. Saying that I don't think even Boris Johnson would have chucked a gallon of petrol on the fire like Starmer has.
This is a tangent but Johnson's big gob did significantly delay a British citizen being released from an Iranian jail so let's not give the massive twat too much hypothetical credit
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The most dangerous people are idiots with power and we have one as Prime Minister.
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What he should have said was something along the lines of..'We ideally would like as many fans as possible to see and enjoy the game but we also have to go by the advice of the police and advisory groups'.
Sadly, he'd be accused of being antisemitic or not having a backbone etc. Badnenoch is already doing what she normally does by pointing the finger left right and centre and she would have done whatever he had said.
They all had say something, but they just said the most predictable thing and made it worse.
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They said it pretty much straight away, on Twitter, without having the decency to talk to the decision makers first. Basically throwing them under the bus and all but accusing them of being antisemites without bothering to do the slightest research. Very Trump, I'm afraid.
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The problem is he has now backed himself into a corner.
They are now going to have to wedge some MTA fans to save face.
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Meanwhile in Germany ...
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/soccer-frankfurt-say-uefa-rejected-request-to-move-napoli-game-after-fan-ban/ar-AA1OFKaH?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=68f35bbdc9e54a7ca141d107b4c48b06&ei=47
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I hope any Villa fan stupid enough to give up their seat to a banned away fan gets banned for life.
You’d ban a Jewish Villa fan giving up their seat. Righty ho.
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I hope any Villa fan stupid enough to give up their seat to a banned away fan gets banned for life.
You’d ban a Jewish Villa fan giving up their seat. Righty ho.
Well it’s the ground regulations to ban anyone who buys tickets on behalf of away fans, it says this on the page when you’re buying tickets.
How do you know their religion in advance?
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Thank God for the alleged kiddy fiddler Andrew.
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They said it pretty much straight away, on Twitter, without having the decency to talk to the decision makers first. Basically throwing them under the bus and all but accusing them of being antisemites without bothering to do the slightest research. Very Trump, I'm afraid.
If he was anymore than a cosplaying Arsenal fan he’d know that MTA away fans are trouble makers. It’s nothing to do with what religion they are even though that can help to legitimise that trouble. Read the room and listen to the advice of the experts. It’s so obvious.
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Blues Albion fans have troublemakers as well just saying like.
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I hope any Villa fan stupid enough to give up their seat to a banned away fan gets banned for life.
You’d ban a Jewish Villa fan giving up their seat. Righty ho.
Where did CD say Jewish? All I see is the words Away Fan?
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My bad, should have had my lenses in and not an a phone!
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Also, were you defending home fans allowing away fans into the home end?
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Calm down, I’ve said already I hadn’t read cds post properly.
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I thought you meant the Jewish line which was the one mentioned above the apology, not the whole CD post which was relating to the last lines of the one above it. (Whose quoted poster seems to be falsely representing himself to news agencies based on recent posts in the other thread)
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Anyway those of us lucky enough to get a ticket are off to Deventer this week, looks like it’s going to piss down all day so bring your cagoules. Can’t wait. I can’t be arsed to scroll back through the thread but do I recall someone mentioning where the ticket collection point is?
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Amsterdam with coaches supplied was the message wasn't it?
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Amsterdam with coaches supplied was the message wasn't it?
I thought the coaches thing was just for Amsterdam based people and ticket collections is in Deventer, I may be wrong of course. We’ll prob get all the details tmw anyway so was just seeing if anyone had an inside track.
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Ticket pick up point will be Davo brewery in Deventer, from 12:30 on the day. Which will also be designated as our fan zone.
There'll be shuttle buses from there to the away end. They're looking into laying on a free bus from Amsterdam, but not sure when.
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Ticket pick up point will be Davo brewery in Deventer, from 12:30 on the day. Which will also be designated as our fan zone.
There'll be shuttle buses from there to the away end. They're looking into laying on a free bus from Amsterdam, but not sure when.
Thanks Som.
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Lots of good info in here for those going to the match.
https://www.deventer.nl/go-ahead-eagles?fbclid=IwQ0xDSwNhjxhleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHu0miHxzfdsGDprWe6LapA6NVONXQoG4kdQVNqyKuHc1iveD3Tn6JK2I-0-f_aem__xlaxFF6FpHqoG8_xMzTvw (https://www.deventer.nl/go-ahead-eagles?fbclid=IwQ0xDSwNhjxhleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHu0miHxzfdsGDprWe6LapA6NVONXQoG4kdQVNqyKuHc1iveD3Tn6JK2I-0-f_aem__xlaxFF6FpHqoG8_xMzTvw)
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Lots of good info in here for those going to the match.
https://www.deventer.nl/go-ahead-eagles?fbclid=IwQ0xDSwNhjxhleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHu0miHxzfdsGDprWe6LapA6NVONXQoG4kdQVNqyKuHc1iveD3Tn6JK2I-0-f_aem__xlaxFF6FpHqoG8_xMzTvw (https://www.deventer.nl/go-ahead-eagles?fbclid=IwQ0xDSwNhjxhleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHu0miHxzfdsGDprWe6LapA6NVONXQoG4kdQVNqyKuHc1iveD3Tn6JK2I-0-f_aem__xlaxFF6FpHqoG8_xMzTvw)
Thanks Rob
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(https://i.ibb.co/t5k2Qv3/IMG-20251020-WA0002.jpg) (https://ibb.co/t5k2Qv3)
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Haha fucking hell that's a small away end.
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It will be ace.
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Cant wait. Flight tomorrow night then a day in Deventer.
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Deventer looks fairly picturesque.
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Fun facts, their original name was Be Quick, they then changed it to Go Ahead. Eagles was added in the early 70s at the suggestion of a Welshman.
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It will be ace.
The view probably worse than Feyenoord, food and seats worse than Brugga. Dutch football sucks.
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It will be ace.
The view probably worse than Feyenoord, food and seats worse than Brugga. Dutch football sucks.
I’d go sub-Wycombe but better than Pompey.
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It will be ace.
The view probably worse than Feyenoord, food and seats worse than Brugga. Dutch football sucks.
I’d go sub-Wycombe but better than Pompey.
Got drenched at an FA Cup tie at Pompey once but really enjoyed the trips to Feyenoord and Bruges!
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Fun facts, their original name was Be Quick, they then changed it to Go Ahead. Eagles was added in the early 70s at the suggestion of a Welshman.
And they play at 'The Eagles Nest'.
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Didn't Pompey had out plastic ponchos for that game?
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All away info, including the Amsterdam bus. (https://www.avfc.co.uk/fans/europa-league-away-information/)
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Important to get on the right bus after the game, if like me you're staying in Deventer.
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Important to get on the right bus after the game, if like me you're staying in Deventer.
Ha was thinking that myself, hope it’s clear!
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I'm also staying in Deventer. The buses post match only go to Amsterdam so we'll need to make our own way back.
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Deventer looks fairly picturesque.
It's not as picturesque as Zwolle (don't mention that) but is one of the most "gezellig" cities in the Netherlands, although they can all change if the football team's at home. Music and book lovers, I heartily recommend this hidden gem https://musicamoredeventer.wordpress.com/ (https://musicamoredeventer.wordpress.com/) . Wannabe soldiers (if it hadn't been for the dodgy knee) can visit the river where they filmed chunks of A Bridge Too Far.
It's a genuinely great place if you like authenticity more than loud or tacky. The cathedral, "Brink" and the town hall offer a bit of architectural goodness. Kleine and Grote Overstraat are cool in a hipstery way; a bit like The Lanes in Brighton with added umbrella art. And you get to see the Villa play Melchester Rovers in what can feel like a 1980s/90s northern English ground. Truly what early season European trips should be.
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Fun facts, their original name was Be Quick, they then changed it to Go Ahead. Eagles was added in the early 70s at the suggestion of a Welshman.
Fun Fact II : They kept the old club signs and put them on the toilet cubicle doors.
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I'm also staying in Deventer. The buses post match only go to Amsterdam so we'll need to make our own way back.
My hunch is the buses will drop off at Davo after the game, and then carry on to Amsterdam. But this being Villa's ticket office info, a bit of clarity would help it.
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I'm also staying in Deventer. The buses post match only go to Amsterdam so we'll need to make our own way back.
My hunch is the buses will drop off at Davo after the game, and then carry on to Amsterdam. But this being Villa's ticket office info, a bit of clarity would help it.
Yep. It can’t be too hard to pass the info on, it’s in all our Travel Forms.
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Melchester Rovers ftw! Roy Race was ace til that awful helicopter crash.
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I’m tempted to go to Istanbul for the Fenebache game in January. How hostile are they? I’ll be flying solo and without a (villa) ticket so wondering how risky that will be, from a scale of 1 to 10 (1 = St Pauli = friendly hippies that sell their tickets at face value) to 10 (touts selling at inflated prices and likely to be beaten up)
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I’m tempted to go to Istanbul for the Fenebache game in January. How hostile are they? I’ll be flying solo and without a (villa) ticket so wondering how risky that will be, from a scale of 1 to 10 (1 = St Pauli = friendly hippies that sell their tickets at face value) to 10 (touts selling at inflated prices and likely to be beaten up)
I was in Istanbul for work last week and was told every single person going to any game in Turkey has to register on a national database. I’ll dig out the name. There are ID controls at every stadium so in theory you can’t pass tickets on, once you’ve actually managed to buy one..
However I had a ticket off a mate for Legia Warsaw away and they also insisted on having a local I’d card or passport. In reality they just checked the photo but not th ename on the ticket.
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thanks Pat. I have spare annual leave in January and I fancy a trip to Istanbul one day soon. Watching in a bar may also be good fun I suppose.
I’m still tempted.
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I'm really tempted as well, and was wondering the same. It's the only away game I can do , and would love to go to Istanbul. Don't mind not getting a ticket, I went to Monaco without one and was happy to watch the game in a bar. ( Although I actually then did get a ticket in any case )
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Istanbul is a fabulous city but you do need to be a little bit careful after dark. I would recommend watching in a bar in the Taksim Square area which should be fine as it is also a Besiktas area, where they even deck the McDonald’s Black and White not the usual Red and Yellow ( Galatasary colours). Dont fall for the “I can take you to a great bar with friendly girls”though.
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I'm also staying in Deventer. The buses post match only go to Amsterdam so we'll need to make our own way back.
My hunch is the buses will drop off at Davo after the game, and then carry on to Amsterdam. But this being Villa's ticket office info, a bit of clarity would help it.
Yep. It can’t be too hard to pass the info on, it’s in all our Travel Forms.
The info I have is that we will all have to make our own way back after the game unless you want to go direct to Amsterdam but it should be easy to clarify once we get to the fan zone.
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For anyone wishing to go to Fenerbahce, I expect tickets in the Villa end to be readily available, with this going down to Season Ticket Holders or probably even Members.
The conditions of entry are likely to be ridiculously onerous, based on Man United's experience last year https://www.manutd.com/en/tickets-and-hospitality/fenerbahce-away-guide
You'll be required to get a shuttle bus 4-5 hours before kick off, then be held in the ground for 1-2 hours before a bus back to wherever they wish to drop you off. Power banks not allowed so your phone won't last. On top of the long flight each way, I'm not sure anyone will get much chance to see Istanbul. I do expect it to be safe though, which you'd want it to be given the sacrifice of liberty.
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from that link
Please comply with Border Force and airport staff requests on arrival and departure at Istanbul airport. Make sure to allow for extra time at security.
Your passport must have 150 days validity to enter Turkey.
It is a legal requirement to carry a form of photographic identification. In some busy areas, authorities may stop you to conduct ID checks and those without ID will likely be arrested.
Ensure you have comprehensive travel and medical insurance (EHIC and GHIC cards are not valid in Turkey).
It is illegal to insult the Turkish nation or national flag, and this applies to comments made online.
STADIUM REGULATIONS
You must have a valid match ticket to enter the stadium.
Security checks will be carried out at all entrances.
Photo ID must be carried at all times.
Food and drink from outside the ground is not permitted.
Messages will be transmitted in English.
Only bags with dimensions: 29.7cm x 21.0cm x 21.0cm (similar to a piece of A4 paper) can be brought into the stadium.
Flags will be reviewed on a case by case basis by police and must be sent to Fenerbahçe at least 72 hours in advance of the fixture. Flags and banners less than 2 x 1.5 long are permitted but must not block view from adjoining seating of home supporters. Large banners will be permitted at the discretion of the Safety Officer.
There is a No Smoking policy operating across all areas within the stadium (this includes e-cigarettes).
Power banks, lighters and coins are strictly prohibited. Personal items such as air pods, hygiene products and similar will be confiscated.
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SHUTTLE BUSES
On instruction from the local Police in Istanbul, United supporters must use a shuttle bus service between Sultanahmet Square and Şükrü Saracoğlu Stadium, before AND after the game.
All coaches will be located at Sultanahmet Square at 16:00 (local time). Ticket checks and bag and body searches will be conducted by official security officers. The coaches will depart at 17:00 with an expected stadium arrival of 18:00 – 19:00.
Once the buses have left, they will NOT return to collect fans that have arrived late to the departure point. Fans should be aware that there will be no toilet facilities on board.
IMPORTANT: Supporters are requested to avoid travelling via Taksim Square due to Besiktas playing away at Lyon on the same evening - this area is expected to be extremely busy with local fans watching the game in bars and restaurants.
POST-MATCH
On instruction from the local Police in Istanbul, our supporters will be held in the visiting supporters’ section after the game for up to 60 minutes (supporters will have access to facilities). It is then asked that all supporters to take the shuttle bus back to Sultanahmet Square.
We appreciate and apologise for the significant inconvenience this will cause to some of your plans. However, we must relay the strong advice of the host country security and police forces and ask you comply with their request.
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Please comply with Border Force and airport staff requests on arrival and departure at Istanbul airport. Make sure to allow for extra time at security.
Your passport must have 150 days validity to enter Turkey.
It is a legal requirement to carry a form of photographic identification. In some busy areas, authorities may stop you to conduct ID checks and those without ID will likely be arrested.
Ensure you have comprehensive travel and medical insurance (EHIC and GHIC cards are not valid in Turkey).
It is illegal to insult the Turkish nation or national flag, and this applies to comments made online.
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wE nEed to bE MoRE liKe TurKeY.
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Please comply with Border Force and airport staff requests on arrival and departure at Istanbul airport. Make sure to allow for extra time at security.
Your passport must have 150 days validity to enter Turkey.
It is a legal requirement to carry a form of photographic identification. In some busy areas, authorities may stop you to conduct ID checks and those without ID will likely be arrested.
Ensure you have comprehensive travel and medical insurance (EHIC and GHIC cards are not valid in Turkey).
It is illegal to insult the Turkish nation or national flag, and this applies to comments made online.
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wE nEed to bE MoRE liKe TurKeY.
Ha ha ha
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Turkey wishes to be called Türkiye. They're tired of being likened to a fat, tasty bird.
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Erdoğan wishes for people using languages other than Turkish to call it Türkiye. Erdoğan is in charge of way too many things already. He can fuck off.
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I don't mind that request, and would be quite happy if countries like Germany, Spain etc started asking people to say their country names in their own language. Seems like the world would be a mildly better place if we all made the effort with stuff like that.
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Erdoğan wishes for people using languages other than Turkish to call it Türkiye. Erdoğan is in charge of way too many things already. He can fuck off.
I think you should refuse to use the breve in his name to really hammer to point home.
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They're part of his actual name. We already have a word in English for Türkiye.
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I don't mind that request, and would be quite happy if countries like Germany, Spain etc started asking people to say their country names in their own language. Seems like the world would be a mildly better place if we all made the effort with stuff like that.
I dunno. I reckon if Farage or someone said that other countries should start referring to England and the United Kingdom instead of their own language versions, we'd all think he was being a twat.
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I don't mind that request, and would be quite happy if countries like Germany, Spain etc started asking people to say their country names in their own language. Seems like the world would be a mildly better place if we all made the effort with stuff like that.
I wouldn't mind either if it hadn't happened on his watch.
Edit: that's bollocks. I would mind. It's good that people have their own languages, and words for different countries.
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At best I really don't think it matters what language word we use to refer to places, and at worst it's used as a cudgel to impose one ethnic supremacy in a multiethnic situation (e.g. Mumbai).
Like, people in Venice say Venezia in Italian but Venexia/Venessia in Venetian, and the same goes for Napoli/Napule, Palermo/Palimmu and so on. Why put ourselves in the middle of that? Just say Venice, Naples and, well, Palermo I guess. Believe me they're going to keep saying Londra and Edimburgo.
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We should call Scotland by its correct name, Very Northern England.
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Turkey wishes to be called Türkiye. They're tired of being likened to a fat, tasty bird.
In future I might substitute Turkey for Nigella Lawson in that case.
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Erdoğan wishes for people using languages other than Turkish to call it Türkiye. Erdoğan is in charge of way too many things already. He can fuck off.
You are a dead man walking. I suggest you offer a ritual sacrifice of 100 mountain goats in Taksim square on Friday and seek forgiveness from Erdogod.
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We should call Scotland by its correct name, Very Northern England.
Why do we need to mention it at all?
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If anyone wants to see the rest looked
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Still think we'll win it!
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Well we should but poor result really when we should now be in the top 4 and planning on resting our players for game 7-8.
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We won't win this, we're not resilient enough away from home. Throw in too many bad performances.
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We won't win this, we're not resilient enough away from home. Throw in too many bad performances.
Hibs - very good
Legia - poor to middling
Alkmaar - excellent
Mostar - middling
Ajax - just boring
Lille - played poorly but got away with it
Olympiakos - knackered
Young Boys - excellent
Bruges 1 - awful
Leipzig - good
Monaco - poor to middling
Bruges 2 - excellent
PSG - middling to poor
Feyenoord - good
Go Ahead Eagles - poor
We do seem very Villa-y away from home, lack of resilience has cropped up a few times in the above.
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Winning away in Europe is hard. Before Emery in the main stage of the UEFA Cup we beat Slavia Prague and I think the next one before thay was Celta Vigo.
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The other thing I'd say is that Emery has been prioritising Sunday.
We're 10th in the table, with 8 auto-qualifying, so it's all in our hands still. No need to panic, throw the towel in etc.
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The other thing I'd say is that Emery has been prioritising Sunday.
We're 10th in the table, with 8 auto-qualifying, so it's all in our hands still. No need to panic, throw the towel in etc.
Is there any subsequent differentiation between where you finish 1-8 ir seeding or is just a case if making sure you’re in the top 8 and that’s it.
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Maccabi up next.
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The other thing I'd say is that Emery has been prioritising Sunday.
We're 10th in the table, with 8 auto-qualifying, so it's all in our hands still. No need to panic, throw the towel in etc.
Is there any subsequent differentiation between where you finish 1-8 ir seeding or is just a case if making sure you’re in the top 8 and that’s it.
We should be going all out for top two, which would mean home second legs in all the knockout rounds.
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Halfway through and where we want to be
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We want to be top 2. Anything else is failure.
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Just looking down the table to see who is propping everyone up and ....... ooh Nice, Rangers!
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League starting to take shape at the halfway stage now. I think it was about 16/17 points for top 8 in the Champions League lads season, but with the standard being lower in the Europa, more teams might win more games meaning the threshold will ge higher. Saying that, the 8th placed team currently sit on 8 points, so 16-18 is probably going to be the sort of range.
Win the remaining two home games would take us to 15 and then one further away win would be 18 and would see us comfortably in the top 8 with a game to spare.
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League starting to take shape at the halfway stage now. I think it was about 16/17 points for top 8 in the Champions League lads season, but with the standard being lower in the Europa, more teams might win more games meaning the threshold will ge higher. Saying that, the 8th placed team currently sit on 8 points, so 16-18 is probably going to be the sort of range.
Win the remaining two home games would take us to 15 and then one further away win would be 18 and would see us comfortably in the top 8 with a game to spare.
Rangers came 8th in the table last season with 14pts so another 2 wins should be good for top 8 then anything from Fenerbache and Salzburg will see us competing for top 2.
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Yes, I was thinking 2 more wins should see us into the top 8.
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We want to be top 2. Anything else is failure.
It really isn't. Failure is going out of the comp. Theoretically we could win it from 24th.
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What’s the prize money for wins and draws compared to CL. In a weird way we are also defending that income if we want to grow.
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League starting to take shape at the halfway stage now. I think it was about 16/17 points for top 8 in the Champions League lads season, but with the standard being lower in the Europa, more teams might win more games meaning the threshold will ge higher. Saying that, the 8th placed team currently sit on 8 points, so 16-18 is probably going to be the sort of range.
Win the remaining two home games would take us to 15 and then one further away win would be 18 and would see us comfortably in the top 8 with a game to spare.
Rangers came 8th in the table last season with 14pts so another 2 wins should be good for top 8 then anything from Fenerbache and Salzburg will see us competing for top 2.
More teams winning more games means the points required to get top 8 decreases rather than increases. The reason the points required to get top 8 in CL were higher than what the computers predicted last season was because a couple of teams stank the competition out and got 0 points.
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League starting to take shape at the halfway stage now. I think it was about 16/17 points for top 8 in the Champions League lads season, but with the standard being lower in the Europa, more teams might win more games meaning the threshold will ge higher. Saying that, the 8th placed team currently sit on 8 points, so 16-18 is probably going to be the sort of range.
Win the remaining two home games would take us to 15 and then one further away win would be 18 and would see us comfortably in the top 8 with a game to spare.
Rangers came 8th in the table last season with 14pts so another 2 wins should be good for top 8 then anything from Fenerbache and Salzburg will see us competing for top 2.
More teams winning more games means the points required to get top 8 decreases rather than increases. The reason the points required to get top 8 in CL were higher than what the computers predicted last season was because a couple of teams stank the competition out and got 0 points.
But the computers were predicting 17pts for top 8 in CL and we were 8th with 16, so your comment doesn’t make sense?
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But the computers were predicting 17pts for top 8 in CL and we were 8th with 16, so your comment doesn’t make sense?
Initially they were predicting 14-16 would be enough. Then it went up as more data was added. This year it could be 19 points at the moment although that could drop as the unbeaten sides play each other.
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That’s not my recollection. I’m sure the prediction was 17-18pts before a ball was kicked.
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I must have misremembered the points total. I can't find a pre season example now. My recollection was that we did better than expected and thought we'd be comfortable in top 8 but ended up only just scraping in.
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Oh I agree I really thought even up to the last game it would need 17pts but we got in on 16. Ultimately we can discuss all day about what should or could happen but we got in the top 8 and that’s all that matters.
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What’s the prize money for wins and draws compared to CL. In a weird way we are also defending that income if we want to grow.
I don’t know that but the biggest prize will be qualifying for next years CL and the added income that guarantees.
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I think Spurs earned £30mil for winning it. (Made up for the same amount lost for being bottom five in the prem compared to 5th).
Plus point this year for earnings is that all our Sunday matches are on Sky so we earn more from that I believe.
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What’s the prize money for wins and draws compared to CL. In a weird way we are also defending that income if we want to grow.
I don’t know that but the biggest prize will be qualifying for next years CL and the added income that guarantees.
It’s €450k per win and €150k for a draw in the EL. It’s €2.1m for a win and €700k for a draw in the CL.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2025/november/08/ticketing-basel-ticket-details/?fbclid=IwdGRzaAN8nQtjbGNrA3yc82V4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHuVEz0BIhTEiFBIOOIdjONsMa4vyk369cVYv89Os4h_uBa6hLMN1IpoLwqfL_aem_-_66nwAtsaK9LgaO9w2kfA&sfnsn=scwspwa
1800 tickets for Basel and it’s e-Ticket.
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Got mine. No more European Away travel forms necessary. Not sure that's a great idea.
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Me too and unsure on why no travel forms. I’m not going to object as it seems to me another pointless piece of admin but 🤷🏼♂️
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Looking forward to this trip...
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Re: the travel forms, this is an item from the Fans Advisory Board:
Why does the club require travel forms for away fans in UEFA ties, when other PL clubs do not request them?
The travel forms are not a UEFA or legislative requirement, but they assist the Club, and the opposition, in planning how supporters attend the game and how to assist supporters in getting to the stadium. Having an understanding of when supporters will arrive and where they will be based helps local authorities planning in advance of the games, as well as supporting with transport planning on the ground.
As a real-life example of how the Club uses the information captured, in conversations with Go Ahead Eagles the information provide on the travel forms has ensured that we've agreed with GAE that transport will be provided from Amsterdam - information that we only knew from having received the travel forms.
However, if the FAB believes that the supporters would prefer not to complete the forms, then the Club would be prepared to remove the need to complete them, provided that the FAB agrees that the Club communicates it is doing so under recommendation of the FAB, and that the FAB accepts some on-the-ground services will likely be less effective as a result.
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Got mine. No more European Away travel forms necessary. Not sure that's a great idea.
I am surprised you wont be in Australia? :)
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Got mine. No more European Away travel forms necessary. Not sure that's a great idea.
I am surprised you wont be in Australia? :)
Haha ! Arrived in Grenada yesterday staying next door to the Siesta at Blue Horizon again during the international break. Missing lLeeds but back for YB. Hoping to go to Oz after the ManU game if we haven't lost the series by then. You going ?
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Put this in the Basel ticket thread but also posting here. My son has been offered a ticket for this from someone who cannot go, but isn't sure on the rules about picking the ticket up, needing to show passport etc. Anyone give any advice. He doesn't want to go to the trouble of buying the ticket and getting there if he then isn't allowed in, but given what is said above would that not be applicable for this game? Many thanks.
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As it’s e/ticket it’s fine. The person he’s buying it off will receive it via email and he just forwards it to your son. There are no ID checks at the ground.
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Thanks, he's gone for it!
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Got mine. No more European Away travel forms necessary. Not sure that's a great idea.
I am surprised you wont be in Australia? :)
Haha ! Arrived in Grenada yesterday staying next door to the Siesta at Blue Horizon again during the international break. Missing lLeeds but back for YB. Hoping to go to Oz after the ManU game if we haven't lost the series by then. You going ?
Just saw your message on cricket thread and replied. Last Ashes tour precovid we were 3 nil down by the time we arrived in Melbourne so trying to avoid that embarrassment by going for the first two this time.