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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on August 28, 2014, 05:05:06 PM
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Possibly deserves a dedicated thread. £8m and undergoing a medical or is that just the usual supposition, to put it politely.
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That's moved fast if so. Where are you getting the medical stuff from?
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Too much money
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I think the medical part is actually related to a few hundred Villa fans currently having chest pains over the prospect of spending 8 million on Tom Cleverley. ;)
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Good news daily mail say 7 million;/
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Quit yer bitchin. If it happens just be happy we are spending money.
8)
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I've not been this excited about a signing since we signed Steve Hunt or possibly Mark Kinsella.
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Changed my mind. I think this will be a good move. Reading about his career, it appears as though Fergie tried to mould him into a more defensive midfielder, when his strength is attacking and goals.
I hope this comes off now, maybe not for that price, but he is miles better than I thought we'd be after.
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The Wigan fan who sits opposite me said he was a good player for them. Oh well, looks like its happening. Prove me wrong Tom.
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There's still a massive difference between not being good enough for Man Utd's midfield & not being good enough for villa's.
Same situation as cissokho & Liverpool IMO
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Utterly ridiculous if true. Lambert and the club owner have lost touch with reality.
Lambert should have gone to Specsavers!
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At least it seems that supposed 10 million budget (inc wages) was absolute twaddle.
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Utterly ridiculous if true. Lambert and the club owner have lost touch with reality.
Dammed if you do.....
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I don't rate Cleverley at all, and if we've paid £7-8m I'll be more than slightly pissed off. Hope I'm proved wrong
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I've not been this excited about a signing since we signed Steve Hunt or possibly Mark Kinsella.
Steve stone for me
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I've not been this excited about a signing since we signed Steve Hunt or possibly Mark Kinsella.
Steve stone for me
Didn't we pay about 5m for a 30 year old Stone? This would be a bargain next to that!
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If it's true (and I'd personally have wanted something a bit more solid than a tweet from a random journalist before taking it out of the transfer thread), then there is good and bad.
Good - it's a bit of an upgrade on what we have there at the moment, it's very positive to know that we are still in a position to pay a fee like this.
Bad - if we are paying a fee like this and given Lambert's pretty solid record when he's been given actual money to spend, surely he could be spending it better.
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I don't rate Cleverley at all, and if we've paid £7-8m I'll be more than slightly pissed off. Hope I'm proved wrong
What would you consider the right price in a market where Shane Long costs £12m?
I think it is mad money too but it appears to be the going rate since the latest Sky deal.
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Why spend £8m on Cleverley instead of a good player?
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I'd prefer a bid for Townsend for that money
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I am quite happy for this thread to be merged with all the other unsubstantiated made-up rubbish in the existing transfer thread if I have been a little premature.
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I'd prefer a bid for Townsend for that money
I think you could probably add another £5m for Townsend.
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Did the lad not play in a team that won the league the season before last by 10 clear points
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Changed my mind. I think this will be a good move. Reading about his career, it appears as though Fergie tried to mould him into a more defensive midfielder, when his strength is attacking and goals.
Wasn't there an interview with the player himself where he said something along the lines of 'if people are expecting me to score goals, or make tackles then they will be waiting a long time'? Or something along those lines. Basically he suggested himself that he is just a simple, keep the ball type.
I don't think he is going to solve our creativity issues in any way whatsoever. He's much of a muchness in terms of what we already have. We would be better of buying some genuine width. I would have taken a punt at Zaha for a year if we were going after United players.
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I can only imagine Keane may have influenced this transfer
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Did the lad not play in a team that won the league the season before last by 10 clear points
if he comes you can bet your house he will score against Utd - I've never seen such ridicule.
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Utterly ridiculous if true. Lambert and the club owner have lost touch with reality.
Dammed if you do.....
What discernable talent do you see in Cleverley, Clampy?. I cannot see any skills that would attract you to sign a much derided player.
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Dave, nail on head. How about it gets spent on a player we really need? A wide player perhaps. Dembele, Ki, Holtby, Song, Kagawa, Bruno Lucas, for the centre. All likely to be available for the right money, wages an issue perhaps, but no more so than Cleverley.
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If it's true (and I'd personally have wanted something a bit more solid than a tweet from a random journalist before taking it out of the transfer thread), then there is good and bad.
Good - it's a bit of an upgrade on what we have there at the moment, it's very positive to know that we are still in a position to pay a fee like this.
Bad - if we are paying a fee like this and given Lambert's pretty solid record when he's been given actual money to spend, surely he could be spending it better.
It was mentioned on Talksport that a deal had been agreed. Yes the price a bit high if true, but I think he'd be a good signing for us. Exactly the kind of player we need and is better than some of disparaging remarks on here suggest.
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He's perfectly good enough for our level.
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Did the lad not play in a team that won the league the season before last by 10 clear points
Yes, and well too.
During the Moyespocalypse he was garbage, but then again so were a lot of other ManU players, many of whom are paid a hell of a lot more.
Also, since when did we listen to the opinions of ManU fans? Jesus. Do they even watch football?
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So after being told that we have no money we're now going to spunk £8m on Cleverley?! Baffling.
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Utterly ridiculous if true. Lambert and the club owner have lost touch with reality.
Dammed if you do.....
What discernable talent do you see in Cleverley, Clampy?. I cannot see any skills that would attract you to sign a much derided player.
Because at international level he's not good enough,
For man utd he's not good enough, they just spent 60mill on a midfield option
But he's plenty good enough for us and anyone that thinks otherwise is living in a truly deluded world
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I'm starting to think Lambert does most of his scouting at Villa Park.
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The fact several outlets are reporting completely different fees is evidence enough that nobody knows.
Might not have been the first name I had in mind but he has the potential to be very decent for us and some big game experience is welcome too. Over promoted too soon by Man Utd and England plus injuries stifled his progress.
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It's strange to feel more dispirited about the imminent signing of a 25 year old title winning England international than about a cup exit to a team from the third division but that's my initial reaction.
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He could be the new Michael Boulding
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If he joins and plays well I'll look forward to reading this thread again and everyone who backtracks their opinion. Probably all of the same cliff jumpers that were on the Senderos thread.
Cleverley is good player. Not international quality but certainly good enough for where we are now. Let's see how he does first. Lots of Man U players struggled last year. Shit they are even struggling this year. He played well enough to get a call up to his country the year before.
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Utterly ridiculous if true. Lambert and the club owner have lost touch with reality.
Dammed if you do.....
What discernable talent do you see in Cleverley, Clampy?. I cannot see any skills that would attract you to sign a much derided player.
Because at international level he's not good enough,
For man utd he's not good enough, they just spent 60mill on a midfield option
But he's plenty good enough for us and anyone that thinks otherwise is living in a truly deluded world
In your opinion!
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I'm beginning to believe there's a major conspiracy going on at Villa Park. My guess is MON is seeking to destroy Lerner and has two agents, Lambert and Keane, working inside to relegate the club.
Paying £8m for Cleverley reminds me of this.. at least Baldrick only spent £400,000.
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I just don't think we pass the ball sideways enough. We leave ourselves so vulnerable with our swashbuckling style. We need Kinsella. I mean Cleverly.
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Having a chat with a mate I pondered if any Man U players in recent years have gone on to be better after they've left. He mentioned Ronaldo.
Now I'm convinced Cleverldinho will go on to become the worlds best player.
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Having a chat with a mate I pondered if any Man U players in recent years have gone on to be better after they've left. He mentioned Ronaldo.
Now I'm convinced Cleverldinho will go on to become the worlds best player.👌
Paul Mcgrath did ok
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Aston Villa have agreed an £8m fee with Man United for Tom Cleverley. United are set to pay the £8m in instalments.
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If this is true, it's a good buy. Overpriced yes, but a useful addition to a midfield struggling to create any chances.
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Utterly ridiculous if true. Lambert and the club owner have lost touch with reality.
Dammed if you do.....
What discernable talent do you see in Cleverley, Clampy?. I cannot see any skills that would attract you to sign a much derided player.
Because at international level he's not good enough,
For man utd he's not good enough, they just spent 60mill on a midfield option
But he's plenty good enough for us and anyone that thinks otherwise is living in a truly deluded world
In your opinion!
Ffs of course it's my opinion im the one who wrote it
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Aston Villa have agreed an £8m fee with Man United for Tom Cleverley. United are set to pay the £8m in instalments.
Very good Leeg!
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If we really did pay them 8 million it would be their biggest transfer sale since Ronaldo.
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"He's good enough for our level"
Good to see our fans haven't lost ambition ::)
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Utterly ridiculous if true. Lambert and the club owner have lost touch with reality.
Dammed if you do.....
What discernable talent do you see in Cleverley, Clampy?. I cannot see any skills that would attract you to sign a much derided player.
Because at international level he's not good enough,
For man utd he's not good enough, they just spent 60mill on a midfield option
But he's plenty good enough for us and anyone that thinks otherwise is living in a truly deluded world
In your opinion!
Just as the post that started this exchange was 'your opinion', that is the way these things tend to work.
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"He's good enough for our level"
Good to see our fans haven't lost ambition ::)
That's the most ridiculous comment yet
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"He's good enough for our level"
Good to see our fans haven't lost ambition ::)
That's the most ridiculous comment yet
If we're signing a central midfielder, why not Schweinsteiger?
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Last night I called Paul Lambert a ****** for his ineptitude. I've shot myself in the foot I guess because where do I go from here, this news makes last nights debacle seem like genius. Just when you think things can't get any worse eh............
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"He's good enough for our level"
Good to see our fans haven't lost ambition ::)
That's the most ridiculous comment yet
Indeed. When did us lot have any ambition. Doh!!!!!
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One goal and no assists last season
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Aston Villa have agreed an £8m fee with Man United for Tom Cleverley. United are set to pay the £8m in instalments.
Very good Leeg!
+1 :D
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63bgames for manure. 4 assists and 6 goals
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One goal and no assists last season
Will compliment our forwards no end.....
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'Aston Villa have made an £8m bid for Tom Cleverley. Paul Lambert will now undergo a medical to find out what is wrong with his head.'
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Having a chat with a mate I pondered if any Man U players in recent years have gone on to be better after they've left. He mentioned Ronaldo.
Paul Pogba and Zoran Tosic too.
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"He's good enough for our level"
Good to see our fans haven't lost ambition ::)
That's the most ridiculous comment yet
How is it?
I don't just want players good enough for our level, I want players better than our level. We're never gonna improve if all we aim for is mediocrity.
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It's a start.
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Having a chat with a mate I pondered if any Man U players in recent years have gone on to be better after they've left. He mentioned Ronaldo.
Paul Pogba and Zoran Tosic too.
Peekay
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Having a chat with a mate I pondered if any Man U players in recent years have gone on to be better after they've left. He mentioned Ronaldo.
Paul Pogba and Zoran Tosic too.
That lad Pique or something did ok. Think he plays for Barcelona
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Giuseppe Rossi - ManYoo's bench to one of the best forwards in Europe.
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He reminds me of Sidwell, eg I was never actually sure what his role was. Not a good defensive midfielder, yet not creative enough to be a creative midfielder and doesn't score goals..
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Having a chat with a mate I pondered if any Man U players in recent years have gone on to be better after they've left. He mentioned Ronaldo.
Paul Pogba and Zoran Tosic too.
Peekay
Robbie Savage
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I'll tell you what, as an aside, that harj fella is fast becoming the most ITK ITK out there. He nailed this on before it broke nationally.
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I'll tell you what, as an aside, that harj fella is fast becoming the most ITK ITK out there. He nailed this on before it broke nationally.
I reckon he is Roy Keane
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Vlaar other way?
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He could be the new Michael Boulding
Or the new David Platt.
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Well whatever happens with cleverly at least we have sorted one thing out
There's a bunch of players that have left man utd and gone on to do just fine elsewhere
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Vlaar other way?
Looks like it.
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What a wretched 24 hours this has been for the club.
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Vlaar other way?
Looks like it.
Please tell me this is just kidding
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Having a chat with a mate I pondered if any Man U players in recent years have gone on to be better after they've left. He mentioned Ronaldo.
Now I'm convinced Cleverldinho will go on to become the worlds best player.
David Platt..
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Vlaar other way?
Looks like it.
Does it?
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What a wretched 24 hours this has been for the club.
Strengthening our midfield (and this does strengthen it) and Lerner spending some money?
Hardly wretched.
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Vlaar other way?
Looks like it.
Does it?
The internet is great for just making things up isn't it. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if we are paying 8m for Cleverley and because Vlaar has one year left on his deal we are including him in the Cleverley deal.
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Vlaar other way?
Looks like it.
Does it?
The internet is great for just making things up isn't it. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if we are paying 8m for Cleverley and because Vlaar has one year left on his deal we are including him in the Cleverley deal.
Stop giving the management of avfc ideas.
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I don't reckon he will come. It reminds me of Ferdinand, Bentley etc.
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After Lambert said Vlaar won't be going he sells him to be able to bring in Cleverley? Not likely unless vlaar is pushing for a move. But of Cleverley is valued at 8m then we would be asking £13m - £20m for Vlaar and Manu want him that much that they've offered Cleverley plus cash and we've gone for it.
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63bgames for manure. 4 assists and 6 goals
Wrong figures 3 goals 2 assists for Wigan
3 goals and 2 assists for manure
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I don't reckon he will come. It reminds me of Ferdinand, Bentley etc.
I think he's crap and until recently he was banging on about making it at Yanited etc etc.
If he does come he's probably going to have a stinking "I really don't want to be here" attitude a bit like Ireland when he came as part of the Milner deal.
You'd think the club would learn.
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He's not top class but he's plenty good enough for us, give the guy a chance.
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Cleverly should be 3 million at the most
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My ex wife knows his mum. Just thought I'd tell you.
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My ex wife knows his mum. Just thought I'd tell you.
You are harj, and I will collect my prize
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I've not been this excited about a signing since we signed Steve Hunt or possibly Mark Kinsella.
Did we sign Steve Hunt?
I thought he came through the ranks.
Long time ago, though :)
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He did, was released went to New York Cosmos, came back to Coventry from whom we purchased him.
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http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/28/aston-villa-bid-8m-for-tom-cleverley-bayern-munich-on-brink-of-5m-xabi-alonso-deal-twitter-goes-into-meltdown-4849460/
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He did, was released went to New York Cosmos, came back to Coventry from whom we purchased him.
Cheers, Dave, forgot we resigned him.
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All we are saying is give cleverly a chance
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Maybe there's logic in Lambert's head after all. My guess is Cleverley has been brought in to replace Sanchez.
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He'd be worth every penny if Twitter did actually go into meltdown over this. If it could take the Metro down too that would be a huge bonus.
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http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/28/aston-villa-bid-8m-for-tom-cleverley-bayern-munich-on-brink-of-5m-xabi-alonso-deal-twitter-goes-into-meltdown-4849460/
A great big meh. Alonso is 33, not really comparable. Twitter will be in 'meltdown' until the next funny/shocking incident that gets the 5 second attention span mouth breathers all excited. This is the second meltdown today after that Zara striped pyjamas thing.
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He did, was released went to New York Cosmos, came back to Coventry from whom we purchased him.
We signed him from Albion in '86.
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http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/28/aston-villa-bid-8m-for-tom-cleverley-bayern-munich-on-brink-of-5m-xabi-alonso-deal-twitter-goes-into-meltdown-4849460/
A great big meh. Alonso is 33, not really comparable. Twitter will be in 'meltdown' until the next funny/shocking incident that gets the 5 second attention span mouth breathers all excited. This is the second meltdown today after that Zara striped pyjamas thing.
Alonso could be 39 , I still know which one I would have
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He did, was released went to New York Cosmos, came back to Coventry from whom we purchased him.
We signed him from Albion in '86.
You're right of course but, same difference, lesser mortals.
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Can he play left back or can Lambert convert him you can never have enough left backs. I wouldnt trust Lambert with another penny. When he came it was we will score more than you attitude now its worse than TSM anti football. He seems to be getting a seige mentality.
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He did, was released went to New York Cosmos, came back to Coventry from whom we purchased him.
We signed him from Albion in '86.
You're right of course but, same difference, lesser mortals.
Very true.
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http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/28/aston-villa-bid-8m-for-tom-cleverley-bayern-munich-on-brink-of-5m-xabi-alonso-deal-twitter-goes-into-meltdown-4849460/
A great big meh. Alonso is 33, not really comparable. Twitter will be in 'meltdown' until the next funny/shocking incident that gets the 5 second attention span mouth breathers all excited. This is the second meltdown today after that Zara striped pyjamas thing.
Alonso could be 39 , I still know which one I would have
A player has to want to play for you to sign him. And you need to be able to pay his wages without bankrupting the club.
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Why are we paying £8m for Tom fucking Cleverley?
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And trying our best to let Delph go for free next year...
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http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/28/aston-villa-bid-8m-for-tom-cleverley-bayern-munich-on-brink-of-5m-xabi-alonso-deal-twitter-goes-into-meltdown-4849460/
A great big meh. Alonso is 33, not really comparable. Twitter will be in 'meltdown' until the next funny/shocking incident that gets the 5 second attention span mouth breathers all excited. This is the second meltdown today after that Zara striped pyjamas thing.
Alonso could be 39 , I still know which one I would have
A player has to want to play for you to sign him. And you need to be able to pay his wages without bankrupting the club.
So 8 million is good value for a bloke who can't score and create
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And trying our best to let Delph go for free next year...
We're run ever so well these days.
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I wouldnt trust Lambert with another penny. When he came it was we will score more than you attitude now its worse than TSM anti football. He seems to be getting a seige mentality.
We're certainly collecting defensive midfielders.
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This has to be the equivalent of paying £90k for a 57 plate Mondeo.
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average player for average expectations
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average player for average expectations
For lots of money
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http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/28/aston-villa-bid-8m-for-tom-cleverley-bayern-munich-on-brink-of-5m-xabi-alonso-deal-twitter-goes-into-meltdown-4849460/
A great big meh. Alonso is 33, not really comparable. Twitter will be in 'meltdown' until the next funny/shocking incident that gets the 5 second attention span mouth breathers all excited. This is the second meltdown today after that Zara striped pyjamas thing.
Alonso could be 39 , I still know which one I would have
A player has to want to play for you to sign him. And you need to be able to pay his wages without bankrupting the club.
So 8 million is good value for a bloke who can't score and create
That's what I said isn't it? If you look at any of my posts on Cleverley you'll see I've said he's not someone I've particularly rated, I just don't think he's terrible.
I'd love to see your reaction if we spent 5m on a 33 year old!
I remember reading on here a few years ago quite a lot of people pointing to the fact that Modric hadn't scored or got many, if any, assists for Spurs one season being evidence he was either rubbish or overrated. and Modric is obviously a top player and I don't think anyone would say otherwise. My point is assists can be a misleading statistic. Some players are in the team and play in positions where you pick up assists, some are there to start moves so don't play the final pass very often.
And finally, yes, like it or not £8m for a 25 year old who's played for England is good value in today's market.
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So 8 million is good value for a bloke who can't score and create
He's certainly improve our possession percentages, what with his side and back passes. Can't wait.
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http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/28/aston-villa-bid-8m-for-tom-cleverley-bayern-munich-on-brink-of-5m-xabi-alonso-deal-twitter-goes-into-meltdown-4849460/
A great big meh. Alonso is 33, not really comparable. Twitter will be in 'meltdown' until the next funny/shocking incident that gets the 5 second attention span mouth breathers all excited. This is the second meltdown today after that Zara striped pyjamas thing.
Alonso could be 39 , I still know which one I would have
A player has to want to play for you to sign him. And you need to be able to pay his wages without bankrupting the club.
So 8 million is good value for a bloke who can't score and create
That's what I said isn't it? If you look at any of my posts on Cleverley you'll see I've said he's not someone I've particularly rated, I just don't think he's terrible.
I'd love to see your reaction if we spent 5m on a 33 year old!
I remember reading on here a few years ago quite a lot of people pointing to the fact that Modric hadn't scored or got many, if any, assists for Spurs one season being evidence he was either rubbish or overrated. and Modric is obviously a top player and I don't think anyone would say otherwise. My point is assists can be a misleading statistic. Some players are in the team and play in positions where you pick up assists, some are there to start moves so don't play the final pass very often.
And finally, yes, like it or not £8m for a 25 year old who's played for England is good value in today's market.
We need creativity, not Tom cleverly
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http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/28/aston-villa-bid-8m-for-tom-cleverley-bayern-munich-on-brink-of-5m-xabi-alonso-deal-twitter-goes-into-meltdown-4849460/
A great big meh. Alonso is 33, not really comparable. Twitter will be in 'meltdown' until the next funny/shocking incident that gets the 5 second attention span mouth breathers all excited. This is the second meltdown today after that Zara striped pyjamas thing.
Alonso could be 39 , I still know which one I would have
A player has to want to play for you to sign him. And you need to be able to pay his wages without bankrupting the club.
So 8 million is good value for a bloke who can't score and create
That's what I said isn't it? If you look at any of my posts on Cleverley you'll see I've said he's not someone I've particularly rated, I just don't think he's terrible.
I'd love to see your reaction if we spent 5m on a 33 year old!
I remember reading on here a few years ago quite a lot of people pointing to the fact that Modric hadn't scored or got many, if any, assists for Spurs one season being evidence he was either rubbish or overrated. and Modric is obviously a top player and I don't think anyone would say otherwise. My point is assists can be a misleading statistic. Some players are in the team and play in positions where you pick up assists, some are there to start moves so don't play the final pass very often.
And finally, yes, like it or not £8m for a 25 year old who's played for England is good value in today's market.
We need creativity, not Tom cleverly
Who should we sign?
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Anyone would think England are actually good
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So 8 million is good value for a bloke who can't score and create
He's certainly improve our possession percentages, what with his side and back passes. Can't wait.
Ray Wilkins isn't doing anything at the moment . We could have signed him on a free and got exactly the same result.
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http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/28/aston-villa-bid-8m-for-tom-cleverley-bayern-munich-on-brink-of-5m-xabi-alonso-deal-twitter-goes-into-meltdown-4849460/
A great big meh. Alonso is 33, not really comparable. Twitter will be in 'meltdown' until the next funny/shocking incident that gets the 5 second attention span mouth breathers all excited. This is the second meltdown today after that Zara striped pyjamas thing.
Alonso could be 39 , I still know which one I would have
A player has to want to play for you to sign him. And you need to be able to pay his wages without bankrupting the club.
So 8 million is good value for a bloke who can't score and create
That's what I said isn't it? If you look at any of my posts on Cleverley you'll see I've said he's not someone I've particularly rated, I just don't think he's terrible.
I'd love to see your reaction if we spent 5m on a 33 year old!
I remember reading on here a few years ago quite a lot of people pointing to the fact that Modric hadn't scored or got many, if any, assists for Spurs one season being evidence he was either rubbish or overrated. and Modric is obviously a top player and I don't think anyone would say otherwise. My point is assists can be a misleading statistic. Some players are in the team and play in positions where you pick up assists, some are there to start moves so don't play the final pass very often.
And finally, yes, like it or not £8m for a 25 year old who's played for England is good value in today's market.
We need creativity, not Tom cleverly
Who should we sign?
I'm not paid to be villa scout but I know 8 million for him is a joke
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First off, if he wasn't English he's be worth 2 million, tops.
Second, he's only played for England because he also played for Man Utd. Delph looks a superior player and has done for the last two seasons.
Third, if Cleverley is worth 8 million, then what is Ashley Westwood worth? And will Cleverley be playing ahead of Westwood, because as far as I can see, they are, to all intents and purposes, the same player. Why aren't we spending 8 million on a nailed-on first-teamer who can do something vaguely unexpected in the final third and maybe actually contribute with a goal threat, instead of blowing so much of our meagre budget on yet more squad players who look exactly like the ones we already have?
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If someone pays 6 million for KEA , ill be happier
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Would rather have kept any of KEA, Sylla or Holman than sign this clown for £8m
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Does Cleverley bring anything that Richardson does not? It does not matter anyway because Lambert will continue to play the static 4-3-3 system with orders to retreat and only attack on the break.
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Agree on all points, Sam.
Can somebody tell me why we need another defensive midfielder?
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So 8 million is good value for a bloke who can't score and create
He's certainly improve our possession percentages, what with his side and back passes. Can't wait.
That's all that Westwood can do
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http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/28/aston-villa-bid-8m-for-tom-cleverley-bayern-munich-on-brink-of-5m-xabi-alonso-deal-twitter-goes-into-meltdown-4849460/
A great big meh. Alonso is 33, not really comparable. Twitter will be in 'meltdown' until the next funny/shocking incident that gets the 5 second attention span mouth breathers all excited. This is the second meltdown today after that Zara striped pyjamas thing.
Alonso could be 39 , I still know which one I would have
A player has to want to play for you to sign him. And you need to be able to pay his wages without bankrupting the club.
So 8 million is good value for a bloke who can't score and create
That's what I said isn't it? If you look at any of my posts on Cleverley you'll see I've said he's not someone I've particularly rated, I just don't think he's terrible.
I'd love to see your reaction if we spent 5m on a 33 year old!
I remember reading on here a few years ago quite a lot of people pointing to the fact that Modric hadn't scored or got many, if any, assists for Spurs one season being evidence he was either rubbish or overrated. and Modric is obviously a top player and I don't think anyone would say otherwise. My point is assists can be a misleading statistic. Some players are in the team and play in positions where you pick up assists, some are there to start moves so don't play the final pass very often.
And finally, yes, like it or not £8m for a 25 year old who's played for England is good value in today's market.
We need creativity, not Tom cleverly
Who should we sign?
I'm not paid to be villa scout but I know 8 million for him is a joke
Look at the money being paid elsewhere. These sort of fees are just the reality if you want a player with the much vaunted premier league experience. We have a better squad than last season and this would add to it. I don't know why people are slitting their wrists. Anyone would think they enjoy slagging off the club and players who we haven't even signed and haven't kicked a ball for us yet!
In other news, Alonso got 1 assist last season.
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I don't know why people are slitting their wrists. Anyone would think they enjoy slagging off the club and players who we haven't even signed and haven't kicked a ball for us yet!
Maybe because we don't bloody need him. There are plenty of other positions to spend the money, buying another defensive midfielder isn't a priority.
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Ryu.. Your too sensible mate.
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When Shane Long costs £12m and the bottom club in the Championship have paid £11m for a striker to play on the wing, £8m for a recent England international like Cleverley doesn't seem that unreasonable.
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The comparrisons to Alonso are absolutely ridiculous. His wages alone will likely soon overtake our deal in terms of financial outgoing, let alone add ons.
I think this is a very interesting signing, all the best to Tom if true!
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Ryu.. Your too sensible mate.
I've just got this thing where I'd rather choose to feel optimistic when (potentially) signing a new player. Who knows how it will work out? Who knows what formation Lambert plans to play when Benteke is back? Anyway, all this misery is ruining my good mood. I'm going to the county cricket thread and hopefully watch the bears polish off Essex
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A great big meh. Alonso is 33, not really comparable. Twitter will be in 'meltdown' until the next funny/shocking incident that gets the 5 second attention span mouth breathers all excited. This is the second meltdown today after that Zara striped pyjamas thing.
Alonso could be 39 , I still know which one I would have
A player has to want to play for you to sign him. And you need to be able to pay his wages without bankrupting the club.
So 8 million is good value for a bloke who can't score and create
That's what I said isn't it? If you look at any of my posts on Cleverley you'll see I've said he's not someone I've particularly rated, I just don't think he's terrible.
I'd love to see your reaction if we spent 5m on a 33 year old!
I remember reading on here a few years ago quite a lot of people pointing to the fact that Modric hadn't scored or got many, if any, assists for Spurs one season being evidence he was either rubbish or overrated. and Modric is obviously a top player and I don't think anyone would say otherwise. My point is assists can be a misleading statistic. Some players are in the team and play in positions where you pick up assists, some are there to start moves so don't play the final pass very often.
And finally, yes, like it or not £8m for a 25 year old who's played for England is good value in today's market.
We need creativity, not Tom cleverly
Who should we sign?
I'm not paid to be villa scout but I know 8 million for him is a joke
Look at the money being paid elsewhere. These sort of fees are just the reality if you want a player with the much vaunted premier league experience. We have a better squad than last season and this would add to it. I don't know why people are slitting their wrists. Anyone would think they enjoy slagging off the club and players who we haven't even signed and haven't kicked a ball for us yet!
In other news, Alonso got 1 assist last season.
So that ok then
Dawson at 3 million is good value for example , there are deals out there
Some clubs will pay over the top for certain *good players*
But for villa to pay 8 million for a player who looked very poor at manure , can we afford too ?
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Great signing, young lad who looked very, very good, got into the England squad when he was out of form and got ridiculed left, right and centre by fans, press and social media.
If he regains his confidence he will double his value in a year.
Well happy.
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Simply too much money for a very average player who I struggle to see adding anything to our midfield cause for creativity - see A Villa v Orient last night.
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A great big meh. Alonso is 33, not really comparable. Twitter will be in 'meltdown' until the next funny/shocking incident that gets the 5 second attention span mouth breathers all excited. This is the second meltdown today after that Zara striped pyjamas thing.
Alonso could be 39 , I still know which one I would have
A player has to want to play for you to sign him. And you need to be able to pay his wages without bankrupting the club.
So 8 million is good value for a bloke who can't score and create
That's what I said isn't it? If you look at any of my posts on Cleverley you'll see I've said he's not someone I've particularly rated, I just don't think he's terrible.
I'd love to see your reaction if we spent 5m on a 33 year old!
I remember reading on here a few years ago quite a lot of people pointing to the fact that Modric hadn't scored or got many, if any, assists for Spurs one season being evidence he was either rubbish or overrated. and Modric is obviously a top player and I don't think anyone would say otherwise. My point is assists can be a misleading statistic. Some players are in the team and play in positions where you pick up assists, some are there to start moves so don't play the final pass very often.
And finally, yes, like it or not £8m for a 25 year old who's played for England is good value in today's market.
We need creativity, not Tom cleverly
Who should we sign?
I'm not paid to be villa scout but I know 8 million for him is a joke
Look at the money being paid elsewhere. These sort of fees are just the reality if you want a player with the much vaunted premier league experience. We have a better squad than last season and this would add to it. I don't know why people are slitting their wrists. Anyone would think they enjoy slagging off the club and players who we haven't even signed and haven't kicked a ball for us yet!
In other news, Alonso got 1 assist last season.
agree, not the worst player. I would have preferred Ki but it doesn't look like that option is there.
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Crickey let's hope he don't read this thread b4 he signs
Give the kid a chance
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Great signing, young lad who looked very, very good, got into the England squad when he was out of form and got ridiculed left, right and centre by fans, press and social media.
If he regains his confidence he will double his value in a year.
Well happy.
. 16 million in two years . ill have what you're having
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A great big meh. Alonso is 33, not really comparable. Twitter will be in 'meltdown' until the next funny/shocking incident that gets the 5 second attention span mouth breathers all excited. This is the second meltdown today after that Zara striped pyjamas thing.
Alonso could be 39 , I still know which one I would have
A player has to want to play for you to sign him. And you need to be able to pay his wages without bankrupting the club.
So 8 million is good value for a bloke who can't score and create
That's what I said isn't it? If you look at any of my posts on Cleverley you'll see I've said he's not someone I've particularly rated, I just don't think he's terrible.
I'd love to see your reaction if we spent 5m on a 33 year old!
I remember reading on here a few years ago quite a lot of people pointing to the fact that Modric hadn't scored or got many, if any, assists for Spurs one season being evidence he was either rubbish or overrated. and Modric is obviously a top player and I don't think anyone would say otherwise. My point is assists can be a misleading statistic. Some players are in the team and play in positions where you pick up assists, some are there to start moves so don't play the final pass very often.
And finally, yes, like it or not £8m for a 25 year old who's played for England is good value in today's market.
We need creativity, not Tom cleverly
Who should we sign?
I'm not paid to be villa scout but I know 8 million for him is a joke
Look at the money being paid elsewhere. These sort of fees are just the reality if you want a player with the much vaunted premier league experience. We have a better squad than last season and this would add to it. I don't know why people are slitting their wrists. Anyone would think they enjoy slagging off the club and players who we haven't even signed and haven't kicked a ball for us yet!
In other news, Alonso got 1 assist last season.
So that ok then
Dawson at 3 million is good value for example , there are deals out there
Some clubs will pay over the top for certain *good players*
But for villa to pay 8 million for a player who looked very poor at manure , can we afford too ?
Apparently we can afford it, as Lerner has agreed to spend it. And as I always do I'm going to give someone a few games in a Villa shirt before deciding if I think he's good or not.
And we haven't even signed him yet! He could still go Hull, they of the brilliant Dawson deal.
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A great big meh. Alonso is 33, not really comparable. Twitter will be in 'meltdown' until the next funny/shocking incident that gets the 5 second attention span mouth breathers all excited. This is the second meltdown today after that Zara striped pyjamas thing.
Alonso could be 39 , I still know which one I would have
A player has to want to play for you to sign him. And you need to be able to pay his wages without bankrupting the club.
So 8 million is good value for a bloke who can't score and create
That's what I said isn't it? If you look at any of my posts on Cleverley you'll see I've said he's not someone I've particularly rated, I just don't think he's terrible.
I'd love to see your reaction if we spent 5m on a 33 year old!
I remember reading on here a few years ago quite a lot of people pointing to the fact that Modric hadn't scored or got many, if any, assists for Spurs one season being evidence he was either rubbish or overrated. and Modric is obviously a top player and I don't think anyone would say otherwise. My point is assists can be a misleading statistic. Some players are in the team and play in positions where you pick up assists, some are there to start moves so don't play the final pass very often.
And finally, yes, like it or not £8m for a 25 year old who's played for England is good value in today's market.
We need creativity, not Tom cleverly
Who should we sign?
I'm not paid to be villa scout but I know 8 million for him is a joke
Look at the money being paid elsewhere. These sort of fees are just the reality if you want a player with the much vaunted premier league experience. We have a better squad than last season and this would add to it. I don't know why people are slitting their wrists. Anyone would think they enjoy slagging off the club and players who we haven't even signed and haven't kicked a ball for us yet!
In other news, Alonso got 1 assist last season.
So that ok then
Dawson at 3 million is good value for example , there are deals out there
Some clubs will pay over the top for certain *good players*
But for villa to pay 8 million for a player who looked very poor at manure , can we afford too ?
Apparently we can afford it, as Lerner has agreed to spend it. And as I always do I'm going to give someone a few games in a Villa shirt before deciding if I think he's good or not.
And we haven't even signed him yet! He could still go Hull, they of the brilliant Dawson deal.
lets hope Bruce comes up with the fee .
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If cleverly is that good and was at Wigan . I'm surprised as dave pointed out, Martinez is not in for him
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If cleverly is that good and was at Wigan . I'm surprised as dave pointed out, Martinez is not in for him
Maybe he feels he dosen't need him and besides, Everton have spent a fortune already by their standards.
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We don't need him neither ;)
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If Shane long is worth 12 mill then I will av wat mr koeman is drinking
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If Shane long is worth 12 mill then I will av wat mr koeman is drinking
Thing is, if Shane Long compliments their other attackers and scores around 10-12 goals he will basically ave been worth it. Big ifs obviously but that's they way it is now. Same as if Cleverly improves our ball retention and makes us a better footballing team he would prove to be worth it.
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A great big meh. Alonso is 33, not really comparable. Twitter will be in 'meltdown' until the next funny/shocking incident that gets the 5 second attention span mouth breathers all excited. This is the second meltdown today after that Zara striped pyjamas thing.
Alonso could be 39 , I still know which one I would have
A player has to want to play for you to sign him. And you need to be able to pay his wages without bankrupting the club.
So 8 million is good value for a bloke who can't score and create
That's what I said isn't it? If you look at any of my posts on Cleverley you'll see I've said he's not someone I've particularly rated, I just don't think he's terrible.
I'd love to see your reaction if we spent 5m on a 33 year old!
I remember reading on here a few years ago quite a lot of people pointing to the fact that Modric hadn't scored or got many, if any, assists for Spurs one season being evidence he was either rubbish or overrated. and Modric is obviously a top player and I don't think anyone would say otherwise. My point is assists can be a misleading statistic. Some players are in the team and play in positions where you pick up assists, some are there to start moves so don't play the final pass very often.
And finally, yes, like it or not £8m for a 25 year old who's played for England is good value in today's market.
We need creativity, not Tom cleverly
Who should we sign?
I'm not paid to be villa scout but I know 8 million for him is a joke
Look at the money being paid elsewhere. These sort of fees are just the reality if you want a player with the much vaunted premier league experience. We have a better squad than last season and this would add to it. I don't know why people are slitting their wrists. Anyone would think they enjoy slagging off the club and players who we haven't even signed and haven't kicked a ball for us yet!
In other news, Alonso got 1 assist last season.
So that ok then
Dawson at 3 million is good value for example , there are deals out there
Some clubs will pay over the top for certain *good players*
But for villa to pay 8 million for a player who looked very poor at manure , can we afford too ?
Apparently we can afford it, as Lerner has agreed to spend it. And as I always do I'm going to give someone a few games in a Villa shirt before deciding if I think he's good or not.
And we haven't even signed him yet! He could still go Hull, they of the brilliant Dawson deal.
lets hope Bruce comes up with the fee .
If Cleverley chooses Hull over us, then that just proves what state we are in. Chose life, chose Villa.
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We don't need him neither ;)
We do with Gardner gone and if KEA does go. I'm fine with the player, £8m just sounds a bit much.
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He's perfectly good enough for our level.
Is the correct answer
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Well, I think he'd be a big improvement on KEA, Sylla and Westwood. £8m is a bit pricey, mind. A midfield 3 of Sanchez, Delph and Cleverley would be an improvement on the last two years, for sure.
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Shit. Is this really happening?
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The way I see it is, he is energetic and will want to make a new start and prove people wrong.
He wouldn't have been my obvious candidate, but with him and Delph in the same midfield we will have dynamism and pace: combined with a mix from Sanchez, Westwood, N'Zog, Grealish and Cole, I think we will have a pretty tight midfield.
We just need a goalscorer now ....
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If true he's a great signing and our midfield will have gone from being absolute terribly to pretty damn good.
Now we need Benteke fit ASAP as I can't imagine any more coming in and we really can't hit a barn door with the forwards that are fit.
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Well, I think he'd be a big improvement on KEA, Sylla and Westwood. £8m is a bit pricey, mind. A midfield 3 of Sanchez, Delph and Cleverley would be an improvement on the last two years, for sure.
On paper that really doesn't look too shabby.
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If cleverly is that good and was at Wigan . I'm surprised as dave pointed out, Martinez is not in for him
Maybe he feels he dosen't need him and besides, Everton have spent a fortune already by their standards.
According to John Percy, Everton are in for him too.
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If Cleverley chooses Hull over us, then that just proves what state we are in.
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Not rerally. At the end of the 80s peter davenport chose Middlesbrough over Villa.
Cue at Ayresome Park:
"You, must, be fucking mad, davenport, davenport"
i think he scored.
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I have said this before on h and v months ago in the context of a slagging-off session of Cleverley, im always hearing about how shit he is, yet whenever i have seen him play he has shown touches of class that our players simply do not exhibit.
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This deal worries me in a number of ways.
One is that, to be entirely honest, I don't rate him as a player. However, I think I am more worried by the fact we seem to be about to pay 8m for him.
If that's true, then we need to hope there is still left over to buy the players we really need - one who will create chances, and maybe one to convert them.
Cleverley is not either of those types of player, so I am wondering why we're spending so much money on him.
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Utterly ridiculous if true. Lambert and the club owner have lost touch with reality.
Dammed if you do.....
Stupid comment
We all want to see some money spent but not on a player who is no better than Westwood
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I have said this before on h and v months ago in the context of a slagging-off session of Cleverley, im always hearing about how shit he is, yet whenever i have seen him play he has shown touches of class that our players simply do not exhibit.
In fairness, I've seen dogs chasing balls on our local park which show a touch of class some of our players can only dream of having.
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Hopefully both Everton and Hull are in for him and outbid us.
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He is shite, a clown etc etc, I believe in giving every player regardless of reputation or fee a fair chance before I even think about kicking the shit out of them, some people on here go so over the top so quickly, if he signs he is one of ours and will need our support.
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If Everton are in he is not going to come here
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It hasn't worked at United , so what? If it does happen lets give the kid a chance
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It hasn't worked at United , so what? If it does happen lets give the kid a chance
I don't know why people say "give him a chance" - as if we have any option otherwise! If we sign him, we sign him.
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If Everton are in he is not going to come here
If Everton go for him is he still as shit as people have suggested?
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Utterly ridiculous if true. Lambert and the club owner have lost touch with reality.
Dammed if you do.....
Stupid comment
We all want to see some money spent but not on a player who is no better than Westwood
No, it's not a stupid comment. He's had stick over the summer for bringing in free transfers and not investing because he's looking to sell. Now he's backing his manager to the tune of a supposed £8m. It's irrelevant whether he's worth the money or not, at least the money is there.
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If Everton are in he is not going to come here
Doesn't quite fit in with the Martinez is great, Lambert and Cleverley are shit narrative. Where's it reported they're in for him?
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It hasn't worked at United , so what? If it does happen lets give the kid a chance
I don't know why people say "give him a chance" - as if we have any option otherwise! If we sign him, we sign him.
I think it's all a bit mad, but as he won't come anyway I hope the money is spent on forward options and not on Spearing as a fall back option.
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If Everton are in he is not going to come here
If Everton go for him is he still as shit as people have suggested?
It isn't really that complicated, though - surely people are capable of judging a player by what they have seen of him actually playing?
Cleverley plays for the most visible club in our league, it's not as if people are moaning about some Azerbaijani midfielder with a YouTube clip, is it?
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As others have said, if Everton come in for him we can forget it.
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Before the start of this season I would have much rather had Cleverley come here than Senderos, but he has started well and shows promise which I didn't expect. At all. I was praying we wouldn't get slaughtered too badly every week until we get to see properly whether Okore has what we all hope he has. Now I am worried that Okore won't get a proper look in and might start looking elsewhere in a year.
Cleverley has had his confidence slammed, and perhaps a different club will be good for him. I hope so. I am certainly prepared to wait and see. In the meantime, if he is coming to our fantastic club, then he is about to be a Villa player, and I will envy him and wish him all the best.
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He's not shit, I don't think anyone's genuinely saying that, but the key question has to be: is he really any better than the players we already have in his position? He strikes me as yet another squad player, when surely last night's display was confirmation that there are other areas of the pitch we need to focus on much more urgently? We need someone who can play in Gabby or Weimann's role...
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One of the things that sticks in my mind in his games for England is the regularity with which he broke into the box to get onto the end of some decent moves. That he missed was quite another thing...
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If Everton are in he is not going to come here
If Everton go for him is he still as shit as people have suggested?
It isn't really that complicated, though - surely people are capable of judging a player by what they have seen of him actually playing?
Cleverley plays for the most visible club in our league, it's not as if people are moaning about some Azerbaijani midfielder with a YouTube clip, is it?
I've never understood fans of a specific club having a strong view of a player they only see occasionally on TV or through clips from YouTube. Especially when the club he plays for had its worst year in the past 20, and he had an injury for a good percentage of it. And the year prior he had a role in his club walking the league. And how shit can he really be if with all of those resources Ferguson still trusted and played him?
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Utterly ridiculous if true. Lambert and the club owner have lost touch with reality.
Dammed if you do.....
Stupid comment
We all want to see some money spent but not on a player who is no better than Westwood
No, it's not a stupid comment. He's had stick over the summer for bringing in free transfers and not investing because he's looking to sell. Now he's backing his manager to the tune of a supposed £8m. It's irrelevant whether he's worth the money or not, at least the money is there.
So youre happy we are pissing £8m of what little money we have on a player who is inferior to Westwood?
If you rate Cleverly then fine, thats your view, mine is he's pants and we shouldn't touch him with a barge pole
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Utterly ridiculous if true. Lambert and the club owner have lost touch with reality.
Dammed if you do.....
Stupid comment
We all want to see some money spent but not on a player who is no better than Westwood
No, it's not a stupid comment. He's had stick over the summer for bringing in free transfers and not investing because he's looking to sell. Now he's backing his manager to the tune of a supposed £8m. It's irrelevant whether he's worth the money or not, at least the money is there.
So youre happy we are pissing £8m of what little money we have on a player who is inferior to Westwood?
If you rate Cleverly then fine, thats your view, mine is he's pants and we shouldn't touch him with a barge pole
Fives minutes ago did you know we even had £8m? How do you know what "little money we have"?
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I don't rate Westwood very highly, and would be surprised if Cleverley doesn't prove just how superior a player he is to Ashley.
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He's not shit, I don't think anyone's genuinely saying that, but the key question has to be: is he really any better than the players we already have in his position? He strikes me as yet another squad player, when surely last night's display was confirmation that there are other areas of the pitch we need to focus on much more urgently? We need someone who can play in Gabby or Weimann's role...
I more or less agree, but I don't even think it's mostly about whether he's any better, it's whether he's the player we need right now.
The mooted fee scares me. That's a lot of money for us these days. If it turns out we spunk it on a player who isn't really that much of an improvement on current players, and doesn't play in the positions we desperately need to strengthen, then that's something to worry about.
If he was coming on a free, it'd be different, but he's not.
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Utterly ridiculous if true. Lambert and the club owner have lost touch with reality.
Dammed if you do.....
Stupid comment
We all want to see some money spent but not on a player who is no better than Westwood
No, it's not a stupid comment. He's had stick over the summer for bringing in free transfers and not investing because he's looking to sell. Now he's backing his manager to the tune of a supposed £8m. It's irrelevant whether he's worth the money or not, at least the money is there.
So youre happy we are pissing £8m of what little money we have on a player who is inferior to Westwood?
If you rate Cleverly then fine, thats your view, mine is he's pants and we shouldn't touch him with a barge pole
Where have i said i rate him? I think £8m is too much as well. I'm just making the point that money has been made available.
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People do realise you're allowed to judge a player even if he hasn't played for us, right? Seems like some people think you should forget about the rest of his career.
Anyway, I hope Everton are in for him. He'll go there then.
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£8M for Cleverley makes £60M for Di Maria look good value for money.
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Maybe at his age he isn't ready for the big pond and isyet to develop from the big fish in the little pond. A good chance for him to move his career on if he does come to Villa. No pressure on him but at a club big enough to allow his caeer to develop at the (almost) highest level.I'd love him to join.
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Lambert knows he needs a forward too and said he is after 2 players. Maybe Randy has given him 15million to spend.
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Underwhelmed.
A midfield who dosen't score or create enough, we have too many of them. Time will tell but this strikes me as an indication Delph isn't going to sign a new deal.
I suppose short term he'll take Westwood's place but again Sanchez-Delph- Cleverley...where is the creativity in that?
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If Everton are in he is not going to come here
If Everton go for him is he still as shit as people have suggested?
It isn't really that complicated, though - surely people are capable of judging a player by what they have seen of him actually playing?
Cleverley plays for the most visible club in our league, it's not as if people are moaning about some Azerbaijani midfielder with a YouTube clip, is it?
I've never understood fans of a specific club having a strong view of a player they only see occasionally on TV or through clips from YouTube. Especially when the club he plays for had its worst year in the past 20, and he had an injury for a good percentage of it. And the year prior he had a role in his club walking the league. And how shit can he really be if with all of those resources Ferguson still trusted and played him?
The Ferguson argument is meaningless, though. You might just as well point at Bebe and say "well, Ferguson bought him" or point at any one of his signings which didn't work out.
I don't see how you can just write off seeing a player on TV - this is a player we've seen play an awful lot, both for Man United and for England. I don't think he's abysmal, I don't think he's the worst player, but I also don't really think he's very good, and I am basing that on what I have seen of him, which is a lot.
If this were Helenius people were talking about when we signed him, or Luna, or lots of players, and they were saying he's rubbish, then I too would be sceptical, given the hugely limited chances people will have had to see those players, but this is a player we have all seen god knows how many times, for club and country.
I think it's a bit harsh to go the "Now Everton want him is he still shit?" line - maybe we should just at least trust that people are actually expressing an opinion they hold based on seeing the player, rather than one which will sway with the wind based on who else wants him.
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Now if Van Gaal was to let us have Valencia for 8mil I for one would be estatic. But the thought hasn't crossed his mind.
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Lambert knows he needs a forward too and said he is after 2 players. Maybe Randy has given him 15million to spend.
If he bought Cleverley today and then went and spent 7m on a striker, he'd still be missing the most important player we need to sign.
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If Everton are in he is not going to come here
If Everton go for him is he still as shit as people have suggested?
Noooooo then he will potentially be a world great due to the fact that genius Martinez has chosen him.
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Lambert knows he needs a forward too and said he is after 2 players. Maybe Randy has given him 15million to spend.
If he bought Cleverley today and then went and spent 7m on a striker, he'd still be missing the most important player we need to sign.
Nah we'll just continue to hoof the ball forward for our clueless forward runners to chase after, that counts as "creativity" in Lambert's mind I think.
Incredible to think we've spent 15m in the last year on Cleverley and Kozak and just ignored the attacking midfield option.
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We don't need him neither ;)
We do with Gardner gone and if KEA does go. I'm fine with the player, £8m just sounds a bit much.
Kind of agree clampy .. two million at most
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Lambert knows he needs a forward too and said he is after 2 players. Maybe Randy has given him 15million to spend.
If he bought Cleverley today and then went and spent 7m on a striker, he'd still be missing the most important player we need to sign.
Jason Scotland?
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Stephen Ireland?
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Maybe at his age he isn't ready for the big pond and isyet to develop from the big fish in the little pond. A good chance for him to move his career on if he does come to Villa. No pressure on him but at a club big enough to allow his caeer to develop at the (almost) highest level.I'd love him to join.
Yes but for £4M or loan with an option to buy in Jan.
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Why can't we sign a player who isn't being scrapped by his club. Very ordinary. Waste of money when other positions need filling. Lambert is a clown. If Everton and hull want him. I wander what pull Keane may have. I also expect Everton to blow us away I the wages front.
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He'll go to Everton over us or Hull. Good player. Good pedigree. Would be a great addition to our squad. At least we are looking at a young player with premier league experience.
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Lambert knows he needs a forward too and said he is after 2 players. Maybe Randy has given him 15million to spend.
If he bought Cleverley today and then went and spent 7m on a striker, he'd still be missing the most important player we need to sign.
I said forward.... I was hoping for a tricky, defence unlocking, small south American type. Not another Lambert "big un"!
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Lambert knows he needs a forward too and said he is after 2 players. Maybe Randy has given him 15million to spend.
If he bought Cleverley today and then went and spent 7m on a striker, he'd still be missing the most important player we need to sign.
I said forward.... I was hoping for a tricky, defence unlocking, small south American type. Not another Lambert "big un"!
Ha he plays for West Ham. Sad state of affairs when even Big Sam is signing them.
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The way I see it is, he is energetic and will want to make a new start and prove people wrong.
He wouldn't have been my obvious candidate, but with him and Delph in the same midfield we will have dynamism and pace: combined with a mix from Sanchez, Westwood, N'Zog, Grealish and Cole, I think we will have a pretty tight midfield.
We just need a goalscorer now ....
What's the point of a goalscorer without creativity . we just don't create enough. Is it two shots on target in three games . we need a player who creates . if we have a spare 8 million , buy creativity and not another Westwood
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The way I see it is, he is energetic and will want to make a new start and prove people wrong.
He wouldn't have been my obvious candidate, but with him and Delph in the same midfield we will have dynamism and pace: combined with a mix from Sanchez, Westwood, N'Zog, Grealish and Cole, I think we will have a pretty tight midfield.
We just need a goalscorer now ....
What's the point of a goalscorer without creativity . we just don't create enough. Is it two shots on target in three games . we need a player who creates . if we have a spare 8 million , buy creativity and not another Westwood
Exactly.
In that list of midfielders, there are only two who will ever create on any decent scale - Grealish and Cole - one is too young, the other is made of glass and past it.
I don't really care too much about the mediocrity of Cleverley, it just scares the shit out of me to see us spending money on a position we don't need to spend, when there are glaring holes in the squad which urgently require help.
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If Everton are in he is not going to come here
If Everton go for him is he still as shit as people have suggested?
You know the answer to this :)
"top manager martinez, he will get the best out of him, good signing for them"
"Cleverley turned us down, what a joke club we are"
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I don't believe the fee at all. I think he's be a fine addition, possibly.
But again, I don't believe the fee.
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Now if Van Gaal was to let us have Valencia for 8mil I for one would be estatic. But the thought hasn't crossed his mind.
Oh Ron , if only
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Lambert knows he needs a forward too and said he is after 2 players. Maybe Randy has given him 15million to spend.
If he bought Cleverley today and then went and spent 7m on a striker, he'd still be missing the most important player we need to sign.
I am usually the cautious type when it comes to youngsters stepping up but Grealish on his performance last night really doesn't look too far away from being that player. It has been a while since I have had such high hopes for one of our youngsters.
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Utterly ridiculous if true. Lambert and the club owner have lost touch with reality.
Dammed if you do.....
Stupid comment
We all want to see some money spent but not on a player who is no better than Westwood
No, it's not a stupid comment. He's had stick over the summer for bringing in free transfers and not investing because he's looking to sell. Now he's backing his manager to the tune of a supposed £8m. It's irrelevant whether he's worth the money or not, at least the money is there.
So youre happy we are pissing £8m of what little money we have on a player who is inferior to Westwood?
If you rate Cleverly then fine, thats your view, mine is he's pants and we shouldn't touch him with a barge pole
Fives minutes ago did you know we even had £8m? How do you know what "little money we have"?
Wakey wakey. Its the 28th Aug and the transfer window shuts on Monday. This would strongly suggest we havent got much dosh given the lack of signings and free signings earlier in the window
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Utterly ridiculous if true. Lambert and the club owner have lost touch with reality.
Dammed if you do.....
Stupid comment
We all want to see some money spent but not on a player who is no better than Westwood
No, it's not a stupid comment. He's had stick over the summer for bringing in free transfers and not investing because he's looking to sell. Now he's backing his manager to the tune of a supposed £8m. It's irrelevant whether he's worth the money or not, at least the money is there.
So youre happy we are pissing £8m of what little money we have on a player who is inferior to Westwood?
If you rate Cleverly then fine, thats your view, mine is he's pants and we shouldn't touch him with a barge pole
Fives minutes ago did you know we even had £8m? How do you know what "little money we have"?
Wakey wakey. Its the 28th Aug and the transfer window shuts on Monday. This would strongly suggest we havent got much dosh given the lack of signings and free signings earlier in the window
I wouldn't call willing to spend £8m on one player as having 'not much dosh', however close to the window it is.
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Utterly ridiculous if true. Lambert and the club owner have lost touch with reality.
Dammed if you do.....
Stupid comment
We all want to see some money spent but not on a player who is no better than Westwood
No, it's not a stupid comment. He's had stick over the summer for bringing in free transfers and not investing because he's looking to sell. Now he's backing his manager to the tune of a supposed £8m. It's irrelevant whether he's worth the money or not, at least the money is there.
So youre happy we are pissing £8m of what little money we have on a player who is inferior to Westwood?
If you rate Cleverly then fine, thats your view, mine is he's pants and we shouldn't touch him with a barge pole
Fives minutes ago did you know we even had £8m? How do you know what "little money we have"?
Wakey wakey. Its the 28th Aug and the transfer window shuts on Monday. This would strongly suggest we havent got much dosh given the lack of signings and free signings earlier in the window
I wouldn't call willing to spend £8m on one player as having 'no dosh', however close to the window it is.
I was responding to the suggestion that we might have lots of £ to spend after all
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I would say spending 8 million on cleverly , we are f******* loaded
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Tom Cleverly looks like the kind of person who would go out with your ex-girlfriend.
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I would say spending 8 million on cleverly , we are f******* loaded
Or just plain f in stupid
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Never have we signed such a prestigious player since Eric Djemba-Djemba.
Fuck me, we really are shit and scraping the barrel.
If he was at any other club then 1) he wouldn't be anywhere near 8 million and 2) nobody would want him.
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Just wait for the announcement that it's a straight swap for Vlaar.
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Utterly ridiculous if true. Lambert and the club owner have lost touch with reality.
Dammed if you do.....
Stupid comment
We all want to see some money spent but not on a player who is no better than Westwood
No, it's not a stupid comment. He's had stick over the summer for bringing in free transfers and not investing because he's looking to sell. Now he's backing his manager to the tune of a supposed £8m. It's irrelevant whether he's worth the money or not, at least the money is there.
So youre happy we are pissing £8m of what little money we have on a player who is inferior to Westwood?
If you rate Cleverly then fine, thats your view, mine is he's pants and we shouldn't touch him with a barge pole
Fives minutes ago did you know we even had £8m? How do you know what "little money we have"?
Wakey wakey. Its the 28th Aug and the transfer window shuts on Monday. This would strongly suggest we havent got much dosh given the lack of signings and free signings earlier in the window
I wouldn't call willing to spend £8m on one player as having 'no dosh', however close to the window it is.
I was responding to the suggestion that we might have lots of £ to spend after all
Toronto wasn't suggesting we had lots of money to spend, i'm not sure how you managed to fathom that out of his post. Maybe he was just suggesting we might have a little more than people think.
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Just wait for the announcement that it's a straight swap for Vlaar.
Thats what worries me too
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Haven't seen enough of him to know if it's good or bad. At least we're seemingly willing to pay money for players. Keane and lambert were both top midfielders so should know a player in that mould. Also, as an unfashionAble player he will have something to prove.
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Not sure what the fuss is about to be honest. Cleverley would be an excellent signing if he comes. Would certainly improve us. Energetic, technically accomplished midfielder who has become the latest scapegoat for the media and laddish 'banter' sites over the last year or so. As a wiser man than me has just said to me, his biggest problem has been not being Scholes, but then, who is. Join us please Thomas.
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Is Kagawa out of reach then . they don't want him . wages ?
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Maybe at his age he isn't ready for the big pond and isyet to develop from the big fish in the little pond. A good chance for him to move his career on if he does come to Villa. No pressure on him but at a club big enough to allow his caeer to develop at the (almost) highest level.I'd love him to join.
Yes but for £4M or loan with an option to buy in Jan.
We don't get to choose the price Man u will let him go at though.
What if Southampton fans were to say, 'just offer £4m and then say take it or leave it and we'll get him to sign in Jan'. we'd say they'd be mental and the club wouldn't even consider it.
Seems ludicrous that as fans we could set the price and expect the selling club to want to do something that favours, heavily, just us.
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Haven't seen enough of him to know if it's good or bad. At least we're seemingly willing to pay money for players. Keane and lambert were both top midfielders so should know a player in that mould. Also, as an unfashionAble player he will have something to prove.
really . you think Lambert knows a good midfielder.
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If he was coming on a free, it'd be different..
Isn't that a summation of our current situation as a club?!
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Haven't seen enough of him to know if it's good or bad. At least we're seemingly willing to pay money for players. Keane and lambert were both top midfielders so should know a player in that mould. Also, as an unfashionAble player he will have something to prove.
really . you think Lambert knows a good midfielder.
He's probably got a better idea than you or me.
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Sorry, but he's shit.
Hopefully he'll prove me wrong.
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Not sure what the fuss is about to be honest. Cleverley would be an excellent signing if he comes. Would certainly improve us. Energetic, technically accomplished midfielder who has become the latest scapegoat for the media and laddish 'banter' sites over the last year or so. As a wiser man than me has just said to me, his biggest problem has been not being Scholes, but then, who is. Join us please Thomas.
Agreed, especially on the 'laddish banter' sites point. I think he'd do very well for us, I only hope Everton don't nip in at the last minute.
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A player is worth what someone is prepared to pay. I rate him.
I hope Mr Lambert gets him.
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Tom Cleverly looks like the kind of person who would go out with your ex-girlfriend.
Fair play to you mate if thats the level of lady you used to date.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3MPnSyiy01w/Utl7Yx4QTcI/AAAAAAAACtg/rk984zybf2Q/s1600/tom-cleverley-picture10.jpg)
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Is Kagawa out of reach then . they don't want him . wages ?
Yep you'd think a season long loan for him wouldn't be out of the question or Nick Powell.
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Is Kagawa out of reach then . they don't want him . wages ?
Dortmund just bid 12 million (inc addons) and one would imagine he would prefer his old club.
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Haven't seen enough of him to know if it's good or bad. At least we're seemingly willing to pay money for players. Keane and lambert were both top midfielders so should know a player in that mould. Also, as an unfashionAble player he will have something to prove.
really . you think Lambert knows a good midfielder.
He's probably got a better idea than you or me.
Not sure
Our best midfielder was already here
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Tom Cleverly looks like the kind of person who would go out with your ex-girlfriend.
Fair play to you mate if thats the level of lady you used to date.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3MPnSyiy01w/Utl7Yx4QTcI/AAAAAAAACtg/rk984zybf2Q/s1600/tom-cleverley-picture10.jpg)
You'd think with that dough you'd sort her out with a bleeding matching bikini.
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How do we know it's eight million? if it was four million would that make people happier? most are unhappy because we still need creativity but there is still time to get that. Don't believe Vlarr will be leaving that would be stupidity beyond belief.
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Is Kagawa out of reach then . they don't want him . wages ?
Dortmund just bid 12 million (inc addons) and one would imagine he would prefer his old club.
So they might get twenty million towards that di Maria . wellbeck , young and that awful Johnny Evans next
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The way I see it is, he is energetic and will want to make a new start and prove people wrong.
He wouldn't have been my obvious candidate, but with him and Delph in the same midfield we will have dynamism and pace: combined with a mix from Sanchez, Westwood, N'Zog, Grealish and Cole, I think we will have a pretty tight midfield.
We just need a goalscorer now ....
What's the point of a goalscorer without creativity . we just don't create enough. Is it two shots on target in three games . we need a player who creates . if we have a spare 8 million , buy creativity and not another Westwood
he's not another Westwood - he's much more energetic than that.
I don't think he lacks creativity, but Hoddle he ain't, I agree.
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The way I see it is, he is energetic and will want to make a new start and prove people wrong.
He wouldn't have been my obvious candidate, but with him and Delph in the same midfield we will have dynamism and pace: combined with a mix from Sanchez, Westwood, N'Zog, Grealish and Cole, I think we will have a pretty tight midfield.
We just need a goalscorer now ....
What's the point of a goalscorer without creativity . we just don't create enough. Is it two shots on target in three games . we need a player who creates . if we have a spare 8 million , buy creativity and not another Westwood
he's not another Westwood - he's much more energetic than that.
I don't think he lacks creativity, but Hoddle he ain't, I agree.
6 assists in 7 years is not alot
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The way I see it is, he is energetic and will want to make a new start and prove people wrong.
He wouldn't have been my obvious candidate, but with him and Delph in the same midfield we will have dynamism and pace: combined with a mix from Sanchez, Westwood, N'Zog, Grealish and Cole, I think we will have a pretty tight midfield.
We just need a goalscorer now ....
What's the point of a goalscorer without creativity . we just don't create enough. Is it two shots on target in three games . we need a player who creates . if we have a spare 8 million , buy creativity and not another Westwood
he's not another Westwood - he's much more energetic than that.
I don't think he lacks creativity, but Hoddle he ain't, I agree.
6 assists in 7 years is not alot
That's the thing.
He might improve on Westwood, I dunno, but surely what we need in the middle is someone who will occasionally create chances?
Cleverley doesn't look that kind of player.
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Maybe he will help get those that will into more space? A winger of some description that can create does seem a must though.
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As others have said, if Everton come in for him we can forget it.
You mean breathe a sigh of relief.
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Assists can be misleading though. He could play a killer ball or go on a great run, ball then goes to player x who does a basic pass it to player b who scores, it's player x gets the official assist. Hopefully that makes sense.
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I've just remembered who he reminds me of. Chris Eagles.
I'd rather bring a striker on loan than yet another midfielder permanently.
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As others have said, if Everton come in for him we can forget it.
You mean breathe a sigh of relief.
I don't think that's necessarily the case, either.
He might want to go somewhere he thinks he'll get lots of chances to play.
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I'm amazed at the negativity on this. Never has an opinion on a player been so skewed by the media than that of Tom Cleverley. He was very highly regarded when he broke into the Manchester Utd team that was consistently in the top 2 of the Premier league. Unfortunately he failed to quite live up to his early promise and couldn't hold a regular first team place, but he is still a very very good footballer.
How many people can honestly say they have watched him play live for 90 minutes?
He is a significant upgrade on what we have now and I for one would be delighted if we sign him. A midfield 3 of Delph, Sanchez and Cleverley sounds pretty healthy to me. It's fashionable to deride Cleverley. He was hounded out of the England squad, and people have jumped on the bandwagon. Give him a chance and he might just prove you wrong.
I don't agree with the clamber for a striker. I think width is a much greater priority and sort that out and we should do alright this year.
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Sounds like Man U putting him in the papers to flush out other interest....
He will end up at Everton for 5-6 mil..
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I'm amazed at the negativity on this. Never has an opinion on a player been so skewed by the media than that of Tom Cleverly. He was very highly regarded when he broke into the Manchester Utd team that was consistently in the top 2 of the Premier league. Unfortunately he failed to quite live up to his early promise and couldn't hold a regular first team place, but he is still a very very good footballer.
How many people can honestly say they have watched him play live for 90 minutes?
He is a significant upgrade on what we have now and I for one would be delighted if we sign him. A midfield 3 of Delph, Sanchez and Cleverly sounds pretty healthy to me. It's fashionable to deride Cleverly. He was hounded out of the England squad, and people have jumped on the bandwagon. Give him a chance and he might just prove you wrong.
I don't agree with the clamber for a striker. I think width is a much greater priority and sort that out and we should do alright this year.
No way is he a very, very good footballer.
Average at best.
Poor mans carrick
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A midfield 3 of Delph, Sanchez and Cleverly sounds pretty healthy to me.
Have to say, I don't see much creativity in that midfield.
As you said, width (or, in wider terms, some creativity) is what we need.
If we were signing Cleverley for a couple of million, it'd be different, but I think in these times of much limited money, part of the concern is that we are spending so much of it on a player who isn't really of the type we need.
re how many people have watched him play for 90 minutes - lots, i'd have thought, given who he has been playing for.
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Assists can be misleading though. He could play a killer ball or go on a great run, ball then goes to player x who does a basic pass it to player b who scores, it's player x gets the official assist. Hopefully that makes sense.
Manure should keep him then as they are crap
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Kevin...Kevin...Kevin...stop bringing your common sense to a internet forum...
UTV The Doc
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I'm amazed at the negativity on this. Never has an opinion on a player been so skewed by the media than that of Tom Cleverley. He was very highly regarded when he broke into the Manchester Utd team that was consistently in the top 2 of the Premier league. Unfortunately he failed to quite live up to his early promise and couldn't hold a regular first team place, but he is still a very very good footballer.
How many people can honestly say they have watched him play live for 90 minutes?
He is a significant upgrade on what we have now and I for one would be delighted if we sign him. A midfield 3 of Delph, Sanchez and Cleverley sounds pretty healthy to me. It's fashionable to deride Cleverley. He was hounded out of the England squad, and people have jumped on the bandwagon. Give him a chance and he might just prove you wrong.
I don't agree with the clamber for a striker. I think width is a much greater priority and sort that out and we should do alright this year.
My manure mate here sitting next to me , says he's garbage
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Assists can be misleading though. He could play a killer ball or go on a great run, ball then goes to player x who does a basic pass it to player b who scores, it's player x gets the official assist. Hopefully that makes sense.
Don't they keep NHL type stats for second-assists in football?
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A midfield 3 of Delph, Sanchez and Cleverly sounds pretty healthy to me.
Have to say, I don't see much creativity in that midfield.
As you said, width (or, in wider terms, some creativity) is what we need.
If we were signing Cleverley for a couple of million, it'd be different, but I think in these times of much limited money, part of the concern is that we are spending so much of it on a player who isn't really of the type we need.
re how many people have watched him play for 90 minutes - lots, i'd have thought, given who he has been playing for.
well Sunderland away was just 4 days ago and he was one of the worst players on the pitch.
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My man utd season ticket holding bro in law rates him.
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Remember the Belgian poster who said Benteke was shit when we signed him and at most he was worth a million?
There is a reason we pay to watch football rather than get paid to be coaches, scouts etc. We as fans don't actually know as much as we like to think we do. We'll also have massively differing opinions on the same player even when faced with the same evidence.
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If your Yanited supporting mate is from Hinkley too, then I am surprised you are bothered by his opinion.
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I think there is always an element that if as a younger player they show promise it is about how to get it out of them. 18 months ago Ramsey was being booed by his own fans when brought on in again. Now he is probably the most highly valued player in their squad.
Not sure if Cleverly has it in his locker, but 1 in 3 at Watford, and seeing him miss numerous chances playing for England suggests he is decent at getting into goalscoring positions given the chance. Maybe he needs to be the main man. You never know. I will bet 1 thing though, if he goes to Everton by May we will be moaning that we didn't get him.
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Assists can be misleading though. He could play a killer ball or go on a great run, ball then goes to player x who does a basic pass it to player b who scores, it's player x gets the official assist. Hopefully that makes sense.
Exactly. As I did earlier with Alonso it's not hard to find top quality midfielders who don't get assists.
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My man utd season ticket holding bro in law rates him.
He's got his fingers crossed hoping this happens
They are over the moon on the forums , can't believe 8 milllionn
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Some good news from The Mail -
"Everton have a long-held interest in Cleverley and are understood to be the player's preferred destination should he leave"
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If your Yanited supporting mate is from Hinkley too, then I am surprised you are bothered by his opinion.
Birmingham actually and the twit goes to OT ;)
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As I thought, his opinion doesn't count.
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Some good news from The Mail -
"Everton have a long-held interest in Cleverley and are understood to be the player's preferred destination should he leave"
;)
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If your Yanited supporting mate is from Hinkley too, then I am surprised you are bothered by his opinion.
Birmingham actually and the twit goes to OT ;)
If you have a Brummie Red friend, now is the time now is the time, for your friendship to end.
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As I thought, his opinion doesn't count.
I took him the holte when we played manure and the twit had a spiff before the game and when villa started singing you only live round the corner , he started to lose it . ;)
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As soon as I saw the words 'Brummie red' his opinion on anything football related became null and void.
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I said earlier, it just strikes me as Bentley/ Les Ferdinand/ Lampard... name them here... down the years. Villa go in with bid for player that would be decent with other clubs just using us as a stalking horse.
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If your Yanited supporting mate is from Hinkley too, then I am surprised you are bothered by his opinion.
Birmingham actually and the twit goes to OT ;)
If you have a Brummie Red friend, now is the time now is the time, for your friendship to end.
He's from Portsmouth
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Please don't desecrate the Holte by bringing him in there again. I wouldn't shit in your hallway.
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As I thought, his opinion doesn't count.
I took him the holte when we played manure and the twit had a spiff before the game and when villa started singing you only live round the corner , he started to lose it . ;)
You took a plastic into the Holte ! Tut !
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I said earlier, it just strikes me as Bentley/ Les Ferdinand/ Lampard... name them here... down the years. Villa go in with bid for player that would be decent with other clubs just using us as a stalking horse.
Glad we missed out on bentley ;D
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My man utd season ticket holding bro in law rates him.
He's got his fingers crossed hoping this happens
They are over the moon on the forums , can't believe 8 milllionn
The same forums who were over the moon when moyes took over.
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Please don't desecrate the Holte by bringing him in there again. I wouldn't shit in your hallway.
Lol
He's been a lot ;). enjoys VP
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Our midfield lacks movement and creativity. Cleverley will improve what we have... (only because what we have can't pass forward or move)
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If your Yanited supporting mate is from Hinkley too, then I am surprised you are bothered by his opinion.
Birmingham actually and the twit goes to OT ;)
If you have a Brummie Red friend, now is the time now is the time, for your friendship to end.
He's from Portsmouth
so, he's from Portsmouth, claims to be a Brummie Red and lives in Hinckley.
Too many spiffs, confused; transient.
Valued opinion? - totally void.
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Please don't desecrate the Holte by bringing him in there again. I wouldn't shit in your hallway.
Lol
He's been a lot ;). enjoys VP
I'm not surprised he enjoys Villa Park. Bring him again when we next play Portsmouth and tell the glory-hunting nobhead to grow up.
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Remember the Belgian poster who said Benteke was shit when we signed him and at most he was worth a million?
There is a reason we pay to watch football rather than get paid to be coaches, scouts etc. We as fans don't actually know as much as we like to think we do. We'll also have massively differing opinions on the same player even when faced with the same evidence.
I don't imagine proper coaches and managers are much different.
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I reckon we could have a right good go at it. We could go again, be terrific, an honest bunch lads and all that in our post match interviews.
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As I thought, his opinion doesn't count.
I took him the holte when we played manure and the twit had a spiff before the game and when villa started singing you only live round the corner , he started to lose it . ;)
he had a spliff and lost it? At worst I'd expect paranoia and thinking they were singing about him but I'd have thought he'd be too relaxed about the whole thing.
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I've just remembered who he reminds me of. Chris Eagles.
I'd rather bring a striker on loan than yet another midfielder permanently.
Yet another midfielder? We've only got Sanchez, Westwood, Delph and KEA now Gardner has gone out on loan. We definitely need strengthening in that area.
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Remember the Belgian poster who said Benteke was shit when we signed him and at most he was worth a million?
There is a reason we pay to watch football rather than get paid to be coaches, scouts etc. We as fans don't actually know as much as we like to think we do. We'll also have massively differing opinions on the same player even when faced with the same evidence.
I don't imagine proper coaches and managers are much different.
Proper coaches and managers still fuck up.
A proper manager thought that to clinch our place in the Champions League we should buy Emile Heskey and a completely different proper manager thought we should give a £50k per week, 5 year contract to a 35 year old.
Cleverly might be a very good signing for us or somebody else, but it won't be because it's a proper manager making the decision to sign him rather than some random bloke on the street.
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Remember the Belgian poster who said Benteke was shit when we signed him and at most he was worth a million?
There is a reason we pay to watch football rather than get paid to be coaches, scouts etc. We as fans don't actually know as much as we like to think we do. We'll also have massively differing opinions on the same player even when faced with the same evidence.
I don't imagine proper coaches and managers are much different.
Proper coaches and managers still fuck up.
A proper manager thought that to clinch our place in the Champions League we should buy Emile Heskey and a completely different proper manager thought we should give a £50k per week, 5 year contract to a 35 year old.
Cleverly might be a very good signing for us or somebody else, but it won't be because it's a proper manager making the decision to sign him rather than some random bloke on the street.
I still stick to that one. Benteke was a hit and miss in the Belgian league before we bought him.
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Ryu.. Your too sensible mate.
I've just got this thing where I'd rather choose to feel optimistic when (potentially) signing a new player. Who knows how it will work out? Who knows what formation Lambert plans to play when Benteke is back? Anyway, all this misery is ruining my good mood. I'm going to the county cricket thread and hopefully watch the bears polish off Essex
I've got nothing against him. But if its true and I am increasingly thinking it isn't we simply don't need him. He's another non attacking midfielder we don't need another it's that simple. Especially when money is so allegedly sparse.
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I would have been interested to read this thread if this new broke before last nights match. Would the comments have been different. Overall opinions as to good, not good would possibly have been the same but the hyperbole would have been nowhere near.
Like other more moderate views I think that he is a better player than most of our midfield players but could the money be better spent elsewhere. In the current market £8m is not much for a midfield player with his experience but looks high to us based on what we have been used to spending.
Some people only look at creativity as being somebody that can pass. What we do lack are midfield players that can get beyond the forwards into those dangerous positions where they can create chances from or score themselves. Delph has managed it a couple of times in a season and a half but when he did we really looked as though we could play.
When Cleverley was out on loan and when he first got into the United team he looked as though he had this in his play. More recently at United he has been played deeper and unless you are a very good passer both short and long you look very average. Like us, the United fans want somebody to blame when things are not going well and Cleverley is an easy target because he is not a Scholes. a Keane or a Beckham.
We cannot afford to go through the season with the midfield players we have as we will pick up injuries, suspensions and loss of form. He might just be the right fit for the team compared with some of these so called 'ball players' that have often been mentioned on here and nearer to our budget. However, I would rather the manager concentrate on trying to get at least one skilful forward first.
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I think Vlaar is involved in this. Was Vlaar really injured last night ? There might also be another Man u player involved ?
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FFS. What's wrong with you lot going off on one over a rumour?
At least wait and see if we sign the lad and then give him a few games for us before you start slagging him off.
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Do you know this or is it just a feeling you have?
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Just a theory which makes sense ........
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I think Vlaar is involved in this. Was Vlaar really injured last night ? There might also be another Man u player involved ?
Johnny Fucking Evans probably.
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Just a theory which makes sense ........
Based on a player being rested for a League Cup tie.
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Based on the fact that Vlaar has probably had more "rest" than any other player ......
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Based on the fact that Vlaar has probably had more "rest" than any other player ......
You've lost me there.
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One thing which bothers me about this, notwithstanding my own opinion on Cleverley, is that all of a sudden, we have £8 million, apparently. Is this panic buying, with Lambert having to spend all summer prising Randy's wallet open, or has there always been a semi-decent budget? In which case, I'd wonder how many other decent midfielders we could have gone for for around the same price?
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Based on the fact that Vlaar has probably had more "rest" than any other player ......
And a month playing in the world cup helped this rest.
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Welcome Cleverly, I like him.
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Whatever the deal turns out to be, I highly doubt Vlaar is a part of it. £8 million plus the club captain for a player United don't see as part of their future? I don't think much of Paul Lambert but that's a pretty crap deal to go for.
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Vlarr hurt his knee on Saturday. Surely you saw that?
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Based on the fact that Vlaar has probably had more "rest" than any other player ......
And a month playing in the world cup helped this rest.
The world cup finished weeks ago. There has been a full pre season since then in which he has hardly played ......
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Vlarr hurt his knee on Saturday. Surely you saw that?
Yes i was there. But was it really that bad ??
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Based on the fact that Vlaar has probably had more "rest" than any other player ......
He 'had more rest' because his World Cup went through to the end and probably had about 2 weeks off in total. He also did take a knock against Newcastle where he was down for a few minutes.
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Based on the fact that Vlaar has probably had more "rest" than any other player ......
And a month playing in the world cup helped this rest.
The world cup finished weeks ago. There has been a full pre season since then in which he has hardly played ......
Yes, but he played until the day before it finished, which would have been July 12th, then he had a month off, taking him until four days before the season started. Then he played against Stoke.
I see what you're driving at, but I don't think it's true.
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You have missed the point about Vlarr. you obviously did not see the game saturday where he hurt his knee.
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Based on the fact that Vlaar has probably had more "rest" than any other player ......
He 'had more rest' because his World Cup went through to the end and probably had about 2 weeks off in total. He also did take a knock against Newcastle where he was down for a few minutes.
KEA took a tackle last season that looked like his leg was broke and played in the next game ?
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What an absurd comparison.
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Welcome Cleverly, I like him.
Careful now Lou it's a plot to snare Vlaar from us in a swap deal!
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Vlaar has a record of injuries and he's come straight into the team without a full pre-season. Given that, I wouldn't dream of sticking him straight into three games a week.
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With Vlaar would you take the risk on a sore knee that he opened up a bit at the weekend? I wouldn't have done. No chance.
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When I first saw the title of this thread I was excited that we have actually bought another top draw midfielder. Then after reading the opening remarks from Legion I saw it was a tad premature and I was a bit disappointed it was not a done deal. What amazes me is how so many people actually think that Cleverley is a bad player?
It's all about opinions I know but if we do get him this is a great move and I'm sure he'll prove a lot of people wrong. Also I would not want any of our rivals in this league purchasing him.
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I imagine Manu insisted Vlaar couldn't play so he wouldn't be cup-tied.
Oh, hang on a sec...
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Based on the fact that Vlaar has probably had more "rest" than any other player ......
I stated that its a "theory" but some things do add up. A month off. Which means he probably needs match fitness assuming he was not injured. I am sure all will become clear in the next 48 hrs ......
And a month playing in the world cup helped this rest.
The world cup finished weeks ago. There has been a full pre season since then in which he has hardly played ......
Yes, but he played until the day before it finished, which would have been July 12th, then he had a month off, taking him until four days before the season started. Then he played against Stoke.
I see what you're driving at, but I don't think it's true.
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The fee is certainly excessive even with the English player tax included.
But Cleverley can be a very decent addition for us on the right side of a midfield three with Sanchez and Delph. Westwood hasn't progressed and the other options we have in midfield are nowhere near good enough. I tipped Cleverley earlier in the summer as one of the players we should go for. His confidence looks on the floor on the evidence of last weekend but he is still better than any option we have and he certainly has the potential to be a lot better.
I'm not sure any of his coaches have been sure of what kind of player he is but on the right of a midfield three I think he will be a good fit.
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Also I would not want any of our rivals in this league purchasing him.
It's ok I don't think Palace, Burnley or even QPR are interested.
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He must be shit if QPR aren't interested in him.
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Welcome Cleverly, I like him.
Careful now Lou it's a plot to snare Vlaar from us in a swap deal!
Gosh that is dastardly!
But we won't fall for that, will we?
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The fee is certainly excessive even with the English player tax included.
But Cleverley can be a very decent addition for us on the right side of a midfield three with Sanchez and Delph. Westwood hasn't progressed and the other options we have in midfield are nowhere near good enough. I tipped Cleverley earlier in the summer as one of the players we should go for. His confidence looks on the floor on the evidence of last weekend but he is still better than any option we have and he certainly has the potential to be a lot better.
I'm not sure any of his coaches have been sure of what kind of player he is but on the right of a midfield three I think he will be a good fit.
Agree BB, especially with the last sentence. In regards to the fee, didn't we pay more for NRC and Curtis Davies a number of years ago?
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I hope we sign him, £8m is not that excessive considering championship players are being in deals around the£12m mark with no premier league experience.
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I hope we sign him, £8m is not that excessive considering championship players are being in deals around the£12m mark with no premier league experience.
Yeah, but only by idiots.
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I'm the eternal pessimist when it comes to Villa but McGrath help me some of the views on Cleverly are so short sighted.
I'll reiterate, great signing, will do wonders for us, Delph, Celeverly and Sanchez, thank you very much.
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I don't doubt for a second that Cleverley is good enough for us. He's just not what we need at all. Especially for what is highly likely to represent a huge chunk of our budget.
We're desperate for creativity in the final 3rd, be it a proper number 10 or an out-and-out winger. Yes, we probably need reinforcements in midfield if KEA is off, but I'd honestly prefer us to spend £1m on Palacios and put the rest of the money towards solving a genuine problem.
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I don't doubt for a second that Cleverley is good enough for us. He's just not what we need at all. Especially for what is highly likely to represent a huge chunk of our budget.
We're desperate for creativity in the final 3rd, be it a proper number 10 or an out-and-out winger. Yes, we probably need reinforcements in midfield if KEA is off, but I'd honestly prefer us to spend £1m on Palacios and put the rest of the money towards solving a genuine problem.
Sorry Russell, but I couldn't disagree more. If we continue with the 4-3-3 formation then we desperately need someone like Cleverley to play alongside Sanchez and Delph. Central midfield has been a problem for us for a number of seasons and I think the introduction of someone like that will make a big difference. A "number 10" type would be nice though we don't really play that formation too often ( we have Cole, N'Zogbia and Grealish who can all play there to varying levels of effectiveness if needed) and I still hold hope that a wide player will also come in as well, even if on loan.
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A midfield of Delph Sanchez and Cleverley is an upgrade on last season.
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I don't doubt for a second that Cleverley is good enough for us. He's just not what we need at all. Especially for what is highly likely to represent a huge chunk of our budget.
We're desperate for creativity in the final 3rd, be it a proper number 10 or an out-and-out winger. Yes, we probably need reinforcements in midfield if KEA is off, but I'd honestly prefer us to spend £1m on Palacios and put the rest of the money towards solving a genuine problem.
Came on to post exactly what you said. Absolutely spot on, all this speculation about him fitting in / how much he'll cost, it's clear that even with Benteke, our lack of a creative attacking outlet is the thing that could cost us this season. It would minimum make us more exciting to watch than replacing Westwood with a player who's confidence is rock bottom.
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A midfield of Delph Sanchez and Cleverley is an upgrade on last season.
Well, yes, but it wouldn't be any more creative, which is the major problem we've got with our midfield currently.
I don't rate Cleverley much, but he probably is an upgrade on Westwood. My concern is whether that's worth spending 8m on him, when what we really need is a different type of player already.
Maybe we'll buy Cleverley, then go out and buy a really decent, proven (and as a result, not cheap) creative midfielder too, but given our financial constraints, I doubt it.
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I don't doubt for a second that Cleverley is good enough for us. He's just not what we need at all. Especially for what is highly likely to represent a huge chunk of our budget.
We're desperate for creativity in the final 3rd, be it a proper number 10 or an out-and-out winger. Yes, we probably need reinforcements in midfield if KEA is off, but I'd honestly prefer us to spend £1m on Palacios and put the rest of the money towards solving a genuine problem.
Sorry Russell, but I couldn't disagree more. If we continue with the 4-3-3 formation then we desperately need someone like Cleverley to play alongside Sanchez and Delph. Central midfield has been a problem for us for a number of seasons and I think the introduction of someone like that will make a big difference. A "number 10" type would be nice though we don't really play that formation too often ( we have Cole, N'Zogbia and Grealish who can all play there to varying levels of effectiveness if needed) and I still hold hope that a wide player will also come in as well, even if on loan.
The bit that I don't understand, though, is the 'someone like Cleverley'. What exactly are the specific skills that you think he'll bring to our midfield to warrant such an outlay?
The other thing I don't get is how on earth we're expecting to fit him into our wage-structure. If this goes ahead, and for the figures suggested, why on earth are we still dragging our heels on getting Delph's contract extended.
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I see Leicester have signed Esteban Cambiasso.
That's a pretty impressive signing.
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I see Leicester have signed Esteban Cambiasso.
That's a pretty impressive signing.
It is from a name standpoint. Can he still do it and will it be what's needed to keep them up? Will be interesting to see how he does.
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What is everyone's problem? We've got the creative midfielder we need in Joe Cole. Cleverly is needed to reign us back in when being too ebullient going forward.
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I see Leicester have signed Esteban Cambiasso.
That's a pretty impressive signing.
It is from a name standpoint. Can he still do it and will it be what's needed to keep them up? Will be interesting to see how he does.
It's not Cleverly, though. From an impressive name standpoint and can he still do it, I say yes, he is, he can and he will.
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What is everyone's problem? We've got the creative midfielder we need in Joe Cole. Cleverly is needed to reign us back in when being too ebullient going forward.
I actually think we'd have got more out of Tonev than we did Cole last night.
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I see Leicester have signed Esteban Cambiasso.
That's a pretty impressive signing.
It is from a name standpoint. Can he still do it and will it be what's needed to keep them up? Will be interesting to see how he does.
He doesn't have to do enough to keep them up alone, he just needs to contribute something worthwhile.
Played 32 times for Inter as recently as last season, I'm far more confident of him still being able to do it than I am of Joe Cole, put it that way.
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What is everyone's problem? We've got the creative midfielder we need in Joe Cole. Cleverly is needed to reign us back in when being too ebullient going forward.
Brilliant I never saw it that way. Thanks and all our troubles will be far away soon.
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This from Daily Mail:
Aston Villa have made a £7million bid for Manchester United midfielder Tom Cleverley.
The 25-year-old, who has one year left on his contract, also has interest from Hull City and Everton.
Cleverley's advisers held talks with United earlier this month over a new contract and expected an offer to follow. However, with United tied up on trying to sign new additions and Louis van Gaal clearly not happy with some of the players at his disposal United will listen to offers.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2736901/Manchester-United-s-Tom-Cleverley-subject-7million-bid-Aston-Villa.html#ixzz3BjRJhTVc
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What is everyone's problem? We've got the creative midfielder we need in Joe Cole. Cleverly is needed to reign us back in when being too ebullient going forward.
Brilliant I never saw it that way. Thanks and all our troubles will be far away soon.
And I believe in yesterday
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What is everyone's problem? We've got the creative midfielder we need in Joe Cole. Cleverly is needed to reign us back in when being too ebullient going forward.
Brilliant I never saw it that way. Thanks and all our troubles will be far away soon.
And I believe in yesterday
Scrambled eggs ....
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Bloody hell just got back in. I didn't expect us to be making £7m bids for anyone, but if we are I didn't expect it to be for Tom cleverly!
I'm guessing he plays number ten ahead of Richardson or cole?
His confidence seems shot so I hope the crowd give him a chance. I've never really seen why he's been highly rated but there's obviously some talent in there if Martinez rates him
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I see Leicester have signed Esteban Cambiasso.
That's a pretty impressive signing.
It is from a name standpoint. Can he still do it and will it be what's needed to keep them up? Will be interesting to see how he does.
He doesn't have to do enough to keep them up alone, he just needs to contribute something worthwhile.
Played 32 times for Inter as recently as last season, I'm far more confident of him still being able to do it than I am of Joe Cole, put it that way.
you might be right. The PL is a lot faster than Serie A, and in a DM he'll get a lot of teams playing quick pass and move football (ok not us, but some teams, you catch my drift). He'll offer a lot experience and leadership.
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I don't doubt for a second that Cleverley is good enough for us. He's just not what we need at all. Especially for what is highly likely to represent a huge chunk of our budget.
We're desperate for creativity in the final 3rd, be it a proper number 10 or an out-and-out winger. Yes, we probably need reinforcements in midfield if KEA is off, but I'd honestly prefer us to spend £1m on Palacios and put the rest of the money towards solving a genuine problem.
Sorry Russell, but I couldn't disagree more. If we continue with the 4-3-3 formation then we desperately need someone like Cleverley to play alongside Sanchez and Delph. Central midfield has been a problem for us for a number of seasons and I think the introduction of someone like that will make a big difference. A "number 10" type would be nice though we don't really play that formation too often ( we have Cole, N'Zogbia and Grealish who can all play there to varying levels of effectiveness if needed) and I still hold hope that a wide player will also come in as well, even if on loan.
The bit that I don't understand, though, is the 'someone like Cleverley'. What exactly are the specific skills that you think he'll bring to our midfield to warrant such an outlay?
I can't see us changing too often from a 4-3-3, so what we need is someone to come in on the right side of that three alongside Delph and Sanchez. We need someone energetic, decent in possession and can chip in with a few goals, all things that Cleverley has proven he can do in the top flight. Ideally I'd like James Milner back, but I see Cleverley as a similar type of player.
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Potentially a decent signing, but at 34 and playing in a new league he could just as much struggle. Must be a reason he was subbed 10 or 12 times last season with a fair few after about an hour, and that's with the slower pace of Italy. Having said that he will probably be more use than Joe Cole based on the Orient game.
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I see Leicester have signed Esteban Cambiasso.
That's a pretty impressive signing.
Have a quick flick back through the transfer speculation thread and look at some of the comments when it was suggested that we might be in for him.
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I honestly have no idea what to make of him as a player. Going off what I've seen and from a couple of Youtube match comps, he seems to do have a couple of positive traits: in that he's tenacious, and that he does well at making himself available for a pass and then can quickly move it on to someone, and move to receive it again. But apart from that, everything else comes and goes. He doesn't realy play penetrative throughballs (or even decent forward passes to the feet of someone further up the pitch) or good diagonals out to the wing, he can't beat a man, not a good crosser, can't shoot from distance, doesn't get into the box for goalscoring opportunities, and has neither the defensive instincts or physical presence for a defensive midfielder.
But even with that short list of strengths and long list of shortcomings, he might still be of tremendous use to us, simply because his movement is good enough to receive a short pass in space, and then have enough time to play another short pass to the centre forward. Having that means we don't need Delph to beat two defenders before being able to pass it to a striker, and it means that Westwood doesn't have to attempt a difficult pass from deep in midfield to play a striker in or to find a wide player in space.
Still, 8 million is a ridiculous price to pay for someone like Cleverley with one year left on his contract. I'd be very happy to get him for 3-5 million, because he's an improvement for our team, and is still fairly young and there could theoretically still get a little better in some other areas; but if we do have the ability to spend 8 million, I'd rather much just blow it on contract extensions for the usual suspects.
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He wouldn't have come. But wasn't Matthieu valbuena available for £8m this summer?
It does very much suggest we'll be sticking to the 433 / 4231 with cleverley in the position Richardson / cole have been playing in. And does suggest westwood's place very much under threat
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Unless we go with a genuine diamond and play all 4, with 2 centre forwards.
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Critics seem to forget that RedNose and other respected managers have pretty consistently selected him to do the boring stuff of midfield.
TC's public image is awful: he ain't as bad as that but he probably is not of international quality either.
What did Hull pay for Snodgrass and Livermore? - 6-7m? TC at £7-8m is where the market is, it seems.
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An interesting read on the 'My Old Man Said' forum. Worth a read.
Can't put link as I'm on phone
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I would definitely give the lad a fair crack of the whip, but the suggested fee is typical of the over-inflated price for English players.
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I'd rather be reading that Delph has signed a new contract, than that we are about to sign Cleverley.
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I see Leicester have signed Esteban Cambiasso.
That's a pretty impressive signing.
It is from a name standpoint. Can he still do it and will it be what's needed to keep them up? Will be interesting to see how he does.
Roberto Manchini didnt come up to expectations when he was there.
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What's it with the e's on here..... Clarke....Cleverly
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An interesting read on the 'My Old Man Said' forum. Worth a read.
Can't put link as I'm on phone
Hi Nigel, I'm not sure we are allowed to post on links from other sites but I will put it here and if the mods are not happy I will remove it. :)
UTV
The Doc
http://www.myoldmansaid.com/united-viewpoint-aston-villa-target-tom-cleverley/
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Unless we go with a genuine diamond and play all 4, with 2 centre forwards.
Yes, please.
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An interesting read on the 'My Old Man Said' forum. Worth a read.
Can't put link as I'm on phone
Hi Nigel, I'm not sure we are allowed to post on links from other sites but I will put it here and if the mods are not happy I will remove it. :)
UTV
The Doc
http://www.myoldmansaid.com/united-viewpoint-aston-villa-target-tom-cleverley/
So, he does that "moving off the ball" thing I've heard about? Never catch on......
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If Cleverley signs I think we have a pretty strong starting 11 of
Guzan
Hutton Senderos Vlaar Cissokho
Sanchez
Cleverley Delph
N'Zogbia Agbonlahor
Benteke
To me, that is a top ten side
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I'd rather be reading that Delph has signed a new contract, than that we are about to sign Cleverley.
I agree why can't we spend the £8m on Delph and Vlaar re-signing?
Also these comparisons to Xabi Alonso are p!ssing me off - he's 32 and will be on massive wages, not a like for like comparison at all.
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What's it with the e's on here..... Clarke....Cleverly
Cleverley is going to have the added bonus of autocorrect mayhem too!
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I don't doubt for a second that Cleverley is good enough for us. He's just not what we need at all. Especially for what is highly likely to represent a huge chunk of our budget.
We're desperate for creativity in the final 3rd, be it a proper number 10 or an out-and-out winger. Yes, we probably need reinforcements in midfield if KEA is off, but I'd honestly prefer us to spend £1m on Palacios and put the rest of the money towards solving a genuine problem.
Sorry Russell, but I couldn't disagree more. If we continue with the 4-3-3 formation then we desperately need someone like Cleverley to play alongside Sanchez and Delph. Central midfield has been a problem for us for a number of seasons and I think the introduction of someone like that will make a big difference. A "number 10" type would be nice though we don't really play that formation too often ( we have Cole, N'Zogbia and Grealish who can all play there to varying levels of effectiveness if needed) and I still hold hope that a wide player will also come in as well, even if on loan.
The bit that I don't understand, though, is the 'someone like Cleverley'. What exactly are the specific skills that you think he'll bring to our midfield to warrant such an outlay?
I can't see us changing too often from a 4-3-3, so what we need is someone to come in on the right side of that three alongside Delph and Sanchez. We need someone energetic, decent in possession and can chip in with a few goals, all things that Cleverley has proven he can do in the top flight. Ideally I'd like James Milner back, but I see Cleverley as a similar type of player.
But we've just signed a midfielder specifically to perform just the defensive duties. If we're playing 3 in midfield we therefore also need a genuine playmaker, not someone who's great at keeping possession but only chips in with 3 or 4 goals a season and a similar amount of assists? Surely the role you've described is already adequately covered by Delph and Westwood? Lambert went to great lengths to speak about the need for "a number 10" and yet seems to think that Joe Cole is an adequate solution to that problem.
If Cleverley comes in alongside a Salah/Gnabry type player, then fine, but if it's just Cleverley I'll be bitterly disappointed.
I'm also still completely confused about how the club are planning to fit him into our wage-structure. If Lambert's financial parameters have changed recently I'd like to think they'd be prioritising tying our new England international to a new deal.
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If Cleverley signs I think we have a pretty strong starting 11 of
Guzan
Hutton Senderos Vlaar Cissokho
Sanchez
Cleverley Delph
N'Zogbia Agbonlahor
Benteke
To me, that is a top ten side
Problem there is there's nowhere near enough creativity in that midfield.
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If Cleverley signs I think we have a pretty strong starting 11 of
Guzan
Hutton Senderos Vlaar Cissokho
Sanchez
Cleverley Delph
N'Zogbia Agbonlahor
Benteke
To me, that is a top ten side
Problem there is there's nowhere near enough creativity in that midfield.
Take Benteke out of that team, and it's utterly bereft of goals.
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Valencia are in for him now as well according to that SSN yellow ticker bar thingy.
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I'd much rather see us go for Dembele from Spurs. You could argue that he's not creative, but neither is Cleverley.
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I'd much rather see us go for Dembele from Spurs. You could argue that he's not creative, but neither is Cleverley.
I'd go with that.
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If he doesn't come I hope that money goes elsewhere.
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I am seeing a lot of requests for Creativity in the centre midfield 3. If we were a team that dominated possession we could afford for one of the 3 to be a creative type that had little defensive responsibility. Unfortunately this isn't fantasy football though and we are a bottom half team. We need stability and a solidness that we have severely lacked over the last few years. I have no problem with three energetic hard working players in this position and leave the creativity to the 3 up front. Of course this argument depends on us adding to the wide players we currently have, but Gabby and Nzogbia are still decent options. Weimann does a job and Cole is an option form the bench. Add one genuinely creative player to that list and we have the ability to change it up depending on the opposition.
Then, if we see progression, you can look at adding quality next year and the year after that. You cant go from relegation contenders to top six overnight.
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Valencia are in for him hopefully he'll go there instead.
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I'd rather we went for Holtby. He's be far cheaper too.
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Maybe the manager sees a different role for Delph
Perhaps this signing will enable lambert to play Delph in a more advanced role
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I am seeing a lot of requests for Creativity in the centre midfield 3. If we were a team that dominated possession we could afford for one of the 3 to be a creative type that had little defensive responsibility. Unfortunately this isn't fantasy football though and we are a bottom half team. We need stability and a solidness that we have severely lacked over the last few years. I have no problem with three energetic hard working players in this position and leave the creativity to the 3 up front. Of course this argument depends on us adding to the wide players we currently have, but Gabby and Nzogbia are still decent options. Weimann does a job and Cole is an option form the bench. Add one genuinely creative player to that list and we have the ability to change it up depending on the opposition.
Then, if we see progression, you can look at adding quality next year and the year after that. You cant go from relegation contenders to top six overnight.
I have to disagree with this. I think having 3 solid central midfielders was crucial last season because our back 4 was so frail. The win at the Emirates and the point at Anfield were largely down to the battling performances of the midfield 3 as a unit. KEA, for example, had his limitations, but off the ball, his closing-down of opponents was a massive part of our success in those 2 games.
However, it's blatantly obvious already this season - as it was last - that the lack of creativity is our major flaw. This season we have added 2 defensively-capable full-backs, a much upgraded centre-half and a dedicated defensive midfielder. Surely that should form a solid enough base to allow us to have a play-maker in the side, as well as some width??
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Maybe the manager sees a different role for Delph
Perhaps this signing will enable lambert to play Delph in a more advanced role
I think you'd negate Delph's main assets as a player if you played him further forward. He has great energy and drive and is great at bursting from deep and driving us forward. I don't think he'd suit playing in-front of the ball, as a playmaker would need to a lot. We'd be asking him to play in much tighter spaces and I don't think he has quite enough guile to do it effectively. I'd much rather leave him in the role he's had so much effect in for the past 2 seasons and bring in a specialist playmaker.
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I'd much rather see us go for Dembele from Spurs. You could argue that he's not creative, but neither is Cleverley.
Yes me too
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First off, if he wasn't English he's be worth 2 million, tops.
Second, he's only played for England because he also played for Man Utd. Delph looks a superior player and has done for the last two seasons.
Third, if Cleverley is worth 8 million, then what is Ashley Westwood worth? And will Cleverley be playing ahead of Westwood, because as far as I can see, they are, to all intents and purposes, the same player. Why aren't we spending 8 million on a nailed-on first-teamer who can do something vaguely unexpected in the final third and maybe actually contribute with a goal threat, instead of blowing so much of our meagre budget on yet more squad players who look exactly like the ones we already have?
Nailed it.
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I would go for Dembele as well. A class act.
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First off, if he wasn't English he's be worth 2 million, tops.
Second, he's only played for England because he also played for Man Utd. Delph looks a superior player and has done for the last two seasons.
Third, if Cleverley is worth 8 million, then what is Ashley Westwood worth? And will Cleverley be playing ahead of Westwood, because as far as I can see, they are, to all intents and purposes, the same player. Why aren't we spending 8 million on a nailed-on first-teamer who can do something vaguely unexpected in the final third and maybe actually contribute with a goal threat, instead of blowing so much of our meagre budget on yet more squad players who look exactly like the ones we already have?
Nailed it.
This
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First off, if he wasn't English he's be worth 2 million, tops.
Second, he's only played for England because he also played for Man Utd. Delph looks a superior player and has done for the last two seasons.
Third, if Cleverley is worth 8 million, then what is Ashley Westwood worth? And will Cleverley be playing ahead of Westwood, because as far as I can see, they are, to all intents and purposes, the same player. Why aren't we spending 8 million on a nailed-on first-teamer who can do something vaguely unexpected in the final third and maybe actually contribute with a goal threat, instead of blowing so much of our meagre budget on yet more squad players who look exactly like the ones we already have?
Nailed it.
This
Can't argue with a word of that.
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Well with hopefully a choice of Valencia, Hull or Everton as well it won't be happening anyway.
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Well with hopefully a choice of Valencia, Hull or Everton as well it won't be happening anyway.
You could argue there must be a player in there somewhere if four clubs are after him.
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Agree with others though that if we were signing him to strengthen our squad and that we had the money for it, why not, he's obviously a decent player but clearly we are in desperate need of someone playing higher up the pitch.
Maybe we have the money for both?
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And yet Roberto Martinez, Alex Ferguson, and Roy Hodgson all disagree with Sam et al. They work with the player and see a lot more. They know what he can produce and what he should be able to produce. Also £8m for a player in his last year suggests that he is valued even higher but that is what we can get him at now. So, I'm willing to see what he can bring to us if we do sign him. Which still hasn't been confirmed that we have even bid for him, has it? Have to wait for Lambert's press conference later.
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And yet Roberto Martinez, Alex Ferguson, and Roy Hodgson all disagree with Sam et al. They work with the player and see a lot more. They know what he can produce and what he should be able to produce. Also £8m for a player in his last year suggests that he is valued even higher but that is what we can get him at now. So, I'm willing to see what he can bring to us if we do sign him. Which still hasn't been confirmed that we have even bid for him, has it? Have to wait for Lambert's press conference later.
There isn't a press conference later, Lamberts pre hull was yesterday am wasn't it?
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Well with hopefully a choice of Valencia, Hull or Everton as well it won't be happening anyway.
You could argue there must be a player in there somewhere if four clubs are after him.
I've no doubt there is, but is it the player we need right now?
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If Everton are in for him I don't think we'll have to worry about him coming to us.
I for one would welcome the lad, we are not blessed with such a wonderful midfield that that the addition of Cleverly would immediately drag us back. An experienced Premiership player will always be an addition to our squad, and after the last few transfer windows of Lamberts tenure it's experience we need. On the whole, baring a few exceptions, the bargain basement policy of transfers has failed this club.
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Well with hopefully a choice of Valencia, Hull or Everton as well it won't be happening anyway.
You could argue there must be a player in there somewhere if four clubs are after him.
I've no doubt there is, but is it the player we need right now?
If KEA goes, then you could argue yes because it would leave us a little short in there if we pick up any injuries or suspensions.
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Well with hopefully a choice of Valencia, Hull or Everton as well it won't be happening anyway.
You could argue there must be a player in there somewhere if four clubs are after him.
I've no doubt there is, but is it the player we need right now?
If KEA goes, then you could argue yes because it would leave us a little short in there if we pick up any injuries or suspensions.
If KEA stays, then you could argue yes as the impact on the squad will be exactly the same as if he left.
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And yet Roberto Martinez, Alex Ferguson, and Roy Hodgson all disagree with Sam et al. They work with the player and see a lot more. They know what he can produce and what he should be able to produce. Also £8m for a player in his last year suggests that he is valued even higher but that is what we can get him at now. So, I'm willing to see what he can bring to us if we do sign him. Which still hasn't been confirmed that we have even bid for him, has it? Have to wait for Lambert's press conference later.
There isn't a press conference later, Lamberts pre hull was yesterday am wasn't it?
Really? Missed it.
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Well with hopefully a choice of Valencia, Hull or Everton as well it won't be happening anyway.
You could argue there must be a player in there somewhere if four clubs are after him.
Of course theres a player in there , if hes two million
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And yet Roberto Martinez, Alex Ferguson, and Roy Hodgson all disagree with Sam et al. They work with the player and see a lot more. They know what he can produce and what he should be able to produce.
Do they, though? Hodgson didn't rate him highly enough to take him to Brazil and in fact took injury doubts like Wilshere and the Ox instead, as well as relatively untried Lallana and a bit-part Milner. I don't think Martinez will be looking to take him to Everton at all, as I think he has plenty of options in midfield. Granted Ferguson played him, but at the same time that he was so short of midfield-options that he had to coax Paul Scholes out of retirement.
On the other side of the coin, it's apparent that the much heralded Van Gaal doesn't rate him sufficiently to play him in one of the weakest Utd sides in living memory.
I'm not doubting that Tom Cleverly is a decent footballer, or that he's good enough to play for Aston Villa, I'm just really not sure that he'd represent 'money well spent' if we were to bring him in this window.
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If he were to go to Everton he'd be in the same boat as he is with Utd. He'd be a squad player. Now of course he could well go to the Toffees as they're in a great position in the current scheme of things in the Prem and we're not. Or he moves to a club like ourselves or Hull and plays week in, week out. If he plays regularly he'd maybe fancy an England recall.
In a straight choice between us and Hull, I think he comes here. We're a bigger club. In the grand scheme of things we'll be better than Hull over the next few years I think.
Lets not forget we still finished above them last season, and if anything they probably overachieved. I don't think they've as yet done enough business not to struggle again. Whether we have is debatable of course, but we'll see. He'd be crazy to choose them over us, unless they offer him a silly contract. In which case, I'd rather we didn't match that, along with such a big fee.
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You never know about a player's value till he has played a few games for us - those of us with long memories remember thinking Ron Saunders was mad to spend £500,000 on Peter Withe.
But agree with comments about why we need another midfielder - when we haven't got any strikers to cover for Benteke/Kozak. Bent on Wednesday night was a waste of space, too slow and past it, even had me wishing we still had Bowery!
Joe Cole another waste of money - a few fancy flashes in areas of the pitch which will never hurt the opposition - and bugger all else. Won't be as effective as Robert Pires was. And he was crap.
Cleverley still has age on his side and might find his right level and hopefully he will find it here and do well.
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You've gotta larf (http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/28/aston-villa-bid-8m-for-tom-cleverley-bayern-munich-on-brink-of-5m-xabi-alonso-deal-twitter-goes-into-meltdown-4849460/)
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You've gotta larf (http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/28/aston-villa-bid-8m-for-tom-cleverley-bayern-munich-on-brink-of-5m-xabi-alonso-deal-twitter-goes-into-meltdown-4849460/)
At something else.
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You've gotta larf (http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/28/aston-villa-bid-8m-for-tom-cleverley-bayern-munich-on-brink-of-5m-xabi-alonso-deal-twitter-goes-into-meltdown-4849460/)
Its a pretty stupid comparison to comapre the two trasnfers though. Alonso will probably pick up £15 million wages across the next three seasons and have zero re-sale value.
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More hilarity (http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/28/aston-villas-bid-for-tom-cleverley-another-attempt-to-rehabilitate-a-reputation-at-footballs-answer-to-the-priory-4849543/)
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What at? I could do with a larf.
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Even if Cleverley does represent a slight upgrade on Westwood, it would be a shame if he took his place in the team. Westwood looks to have improved on last season, and in the first two league games he covered a lot of ground and tracked back, which were his two failings before. I'm struggling to see what Cleverley can do that Ashley can't.
The positions that need strengthening right now are the supporting strikers/wide men, because if Gabby and Weimann play indifferently - which is more often than not these days - then we seriously struggle to create chances. If we're going to bring in squad players, they need to be putting pressure on Weimann and especially Gabby, who looks like a man who knows he doesn't need to bother fighting for his place on the teamsheet.
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Has anyone with a reasonable amount of credibility actually even said we're in for him? Everyone seems to be getting very 'excited'.
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I'm hoping that Roy is having a word with him about joining and also what young Tom will need to do to get in our side and stay there.
UTV
The Doc
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We just need to spend this money in another area like creativity and I hear he had potential when he was young , well a lot of players have this and never reach it and he is 25 now.
If other areas were now complete and he came for three million , I wouldn't have a problem with this but they are not ,ww can't break teams down , that's why we are awful at home.
Have we the luxury to spend 8 million on Tom cleverley
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Well with hopefully a choice of Valencia, Hull or Everton as well it won't be happening anyway.
You could argue there must be a player in there somewhere if four clubs are after him.
Nothing against him Clamps but he just isn't what we need immediately. Number ten is an urgent priority.
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Well with hopefully a choice of Valencia, Hull or Everton as well it won't be happening anyway.
You could argue there must be a player in there somewhere if four clubs are after him.
Nothing against him Clamps but he just isn't what we need immediately. Number ten is an urgent priority.
I'd still like to see a pacey wide man come in, someone who can come off the bench and run at the defence.
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Chatting to a Leicester fan, he reckons Cleverly is excellent and needs to play as a number 10 in a free role. Apparently looked great there for them and Watford, not in central midfield.
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i think he's got talent and would be a good signing for us. think he would flourish at a club which isn't the goldfish bowl of man united and has a manager with faith in him. he has struggled the last 18 months, but so has every other united player.
and that's my opinion from watching him regularly when he was at watford a few years ago, where he was superb.
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I wonder how many supporters of other clubs would have been happy to be linked with Gareth Barry circa 2006? Sometimes a player needs a spark to their career, whether it be a new club or a new manager.
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I wonder how many supporters of other clubs would have been happy to be linked with Gareth Barry circa 2006? Sometimes a player needs a spark to their career, whether it be a new club or a new manager.
Not many. And an interesting comparison.
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I wonder how many supporters of other clubs would have been happy to be linked with Gareth Barry circa 2006? Sometimes a player needs a spark to their career, whether it be a new club or a new manager.
Very apt.
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I wonder how many supporters of other clubs would have been happy to be linked with Gareth Barry circa 2006? Sometimes a player needs a spark to their career, whether it be a new club or a new manager.
I actually don't think it's so much about the player we're potentially buying that people are concerned by, more the are of the pitch we're looking to spend a lot of money on. Personally, I see it as being well down our list of priorities this window.
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I wonder how many supporters of other clubs would have been happy to be linked with Gareth Barry circa 2006? Sometimes a player needs a spark to their career, whether it be a new club or a new manager.
I actually don't think it's so much about the player we're potentially buying that people are concerned by, more the are of the pitch we're looking to spend a lot of money on. Personally, I see it as being well down our list of priorities this window.
But has been played quite often in a role behind the front two "in the hole" (cue Big Mick). Thats exactly the player we have been after?
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We just need to spend this money in another area like creativity and I hear he had potential when he was young , well a lot of players have this and never reach it and he is 25 now.
If other areas were now complete and he came for three million , I wouldn't have a problem with this but they are not ,ww can't break teams down , that's why we are awful at home.
Have we the luxury to spend 8 million on Tom cleverley
No!
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I wonder how many supporters of other clubs would have been happy to be linked with Gareth Barry circa 2006? Sometimes a player needs a spark to their career, whether it be a new club or a new manager.
I actually don't think it's so much about the player we're potentially buying that people are concerned by, more the are of the pitch we're looking to spend a lot of money on. Personally, I see it as being well down our list of priorities this window.
But has been played quite often in a role behind the front two "in the hole" (cue Big Mick). Thats exactly the player we have been after?
Has he? I've never seen him in that role. Certainly not for Utd. If he has I would question why he has such a low record of goals and assists?
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I have only ever seen him play centrally for United.
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I wonder how many supporters of other clubs would have been happy to be linked with Gareth Barry circa 2006? Sometimes a player needs a spark to their career, whether it be a new club or a new manager.
I actually don't think it's so much about the player we're potentially buying that people are concerned by, more the are of the pitch we're looking to spend a lot of money on. Personally, I see it as being well down our list of priorities this window.
Agreed. Infact, if news broke that we were signing a Number 10, Holtby for example and Cleverley then I would be delighted.
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I wonder how many supporters of other clubs would have been happy to be linked with Gareth Barry circa 2006? Sometimes a player needs a spark to their career, whether it be a new club or a new manager.
Very apt.
True and I also compared Cleverley to being linked with Everton's Darron Gibson. If we had actually bid for him the thread would been just as this one is, and yet he's very popular up there. Sometimes players need a change, and when he was playing in the side that won the title, he looked a very tidy, promising player.
And the comparison to the Alonso deal is stupid. I suppose had Alonso been at the end of his contract and a free it would have even more funny.
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I wonder how many supporters of other clubs would have been happy to be linked with Gareth Barry circa 2006? Sometimes a player needs a spark to their career, whether it be a new club or a new manager.
Very good point. Though I work with lots of United season ticket holders and they don't rate him either.
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He is never going to play that role with so many of that type there though. Like Milner not playing through the middle at City.
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I think he's quite a good player, energetic and tidyon the ball, the thing that bothers me is that we don't have good enough coaches to make him a better player. If he went to Everton you would seem him come on a lot. If he comes here my fear is that he will level off, like Clark, Lowton and Westwood, Weimann have done.
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I think he's quite a good player, energetic and tidyon the ball, the thing that bothers me is that we don't have good enough coaches to make him a better player. If he went to Everton you would seem him come on a lot. If he comes here my fear is that he will level off, like Clark, Lowton and Westwood, Weimann have done.
I would have thought Keane would be just the man. However, if what you say is true there is not much point buying anyone.
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I think he's quite a good player, energetic and tidyon the ball, the thing that bothers me is that we don't have good enough coaches to make him a better player. If he went to Everton you would seem him come on a lot. If he comes here my fear is that he will level off, like Clark, Lowton and Westwood, Weimann have done.
I would have thought Keane would be just the man. However, if what you say is true there is not much point buying anyone.
Yep, lets give up now!
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I wonder how many supporters of other clubs would have been happy to be linked with Gareth Barry circa 2006? Sometimes a player needs a spark to their career, whether it be a new club or a new manager.
I actually don't think it's so much about the player we're potentially buying that people are concerned by, more the are of the pitch we're looking to spend a lot of money on. Personally, I see it as being well down our list of priorities this window.
But has been played quite often in a role behind the front two "in the hole" (cue Big Mick). Thats exactly the player we have been after?
Has he? I've never seen him in that role. Certainly not for Utd. If he has I would question why he has such a low record of goals and assists?
Not for Utd so much but he certainly did for Watford and was I think their top scorer.
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I think he's quite a good player, energetic and tidyon the ball, the thing that bothers me is that we don't have good enough coaches to make him a better player. If he went to Everton you would seem him come on a lot. If he comes here my fear is that he will level off, like Clark, Lowton and Westwood, Weimann have done.
I would have thought Keane would be just the man. However, if what you say is true there is not much point buying anyone.
Not sure if Keane is a tactical genius. I know he was a great player, doesn't mean he can transfer that knowledge to the players.
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I wonder how many supporters of other clubs would have been happy to be linked with Gareth Barry circa 2006? Sometimes a player needs a spark to their career, whether it be a new club or a new manager.
I actually don't think it's so much about the player we're potentially buying that people are concerned by, more the are of the pitch we're looking to spend a lot of money on. Personally, I see it as being well down our list of priorities this window.
But has been played quite often in a role behind the front two "in the hole" (cue Big Mick). Thats exactly the player we have been after?
Has he? I've never seen him in that role. Certainly not for Utd. If he has I would question why he has such a low record of goals and assists?
Not for Utd so much but he certainly did for Watford and was I think their top scorer.
He scored 11 league goals for Watford in the Championship 5 seasons ago (Deeney got 14 that season) but has only scored 9 goals since. Certainly, every time I've seen him for Utd, he's playing in a central midfield role (usually alongside Carrick) with Van Persie & Rooney ahead of him.
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But has been played quite often in a role behind the front two "in the hole" (cue Big Mick).
Oh go on then:
(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Mick2.gif)
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But has been played quite often in a role behind the front two "in the hole" (cue Big Mick).
Oh go on then:
(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Mick2.gif)
I LOVE THIS
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But has been played quite often in a role behind the front two "in the hole" (cue Big Mick).
Oh go on then:
(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Mick2.gif)
Good man!
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yes, playing in the hole is great work when you can get it
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I think we may have been a bit premature. Doesn't seem to be clear cut he's coming to us at all. If we don't get him I wonder if we'll be looking to spend the money elsewhere. Id assume so.
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I think we may have been a bit premature. Doesn't seem to be clear cut he's coming to us at all. If we don't get him I wonder if we'll be looking to spend the money elsewhere. Id assume so.
A bit like missing out on Dempsey and getting Benteke on deadline day 2 years ago.
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I think we may have been a bit premature. Doesn't seem to be clear cut he's coming to us at all. If we don't get him I wonder if we'll be looking to spend the money elsewhere. Id assume so.
A bit like missing out on Dempsey and getting Benteke on deadline day 2 years ago.
I don't think agreeing a fee for Dempsey was anything other than a bluff to get Genk to stop messing about.
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I know it's fashionable to knock him these days but I reckon he'd be good for us. Is he good enough for where Man Utd have ambitions to be? No. Is he good enough to improve us? Damn right he is.
Along with Delph and Sanchez that's three different types of midfielder performing different roles that would hopefully dovetail quite nicely.
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I still think this is a bluff so falcoa makes up his mind quick and signs tomorrow
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I still think this is a bluff so falcoa makes up his mind quick and signs tomorrow
I take it's he's Falcao's shite brother?
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I still think this is a bluff so falcoa makes up his mind quick and signs tomorrow
I take it's he's Falcao's shite brother?
The Tottenham one
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Rock me, Amadeus.
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I still think this is a bluff so falcoa makes up his mind quick and signs tomorrow
I take it's he's Falcao's shite brother?
Villa are more likely to sign the dead Austrian Rapper
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Bugger .......... Leeg beat me to the joke
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I wonder how many supporters of other clubs would have been happy to be linked with Gareth Barry circa 2006? Sometimes a player needs a spark to their career, whether it be a new club or a new manager.
Very good point. Though I work with lots of United season ticket holders and they don't rate him either.
They would say that, though.
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Daft question folks but how do I ask a moderator a question in private every time I click on mods name it says error hS occured
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Send me a PM.
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Got a feeling that we will see him paraded on the pitch before the Hull game!
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Daft question folks but how do I ask a moderator a question in private every time I click on mods name it says error hS occured
Click here (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=134)
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he seems to do have a couple of positive traits: in that he's tenacious, and that he does well at making himself available for a pass and then can quickly move it on to someone, and move to receive it again.
If I had a £ for every time I'd heard (or read) a Villa fan bemoaning our inability to pass & move, I'd probably be able to buy him myself!
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It's not going to happen, is it?
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Well I haven't seen anything official to suggest a bid has happened.
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I'm staying well away from all this transfer speculation and bollocks from now on.
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But, but, Harj????
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Some speculation that it's done on Twitter. Meaning he's coming, not that it's "done".
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Legion strikes again. Can you start a 'Milner Not Coming Home' thread?
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It's not going to happen, is it?
I might be in the minority, but I bloody hope so. Just the sort of player to bolster our midfield and compliment what we have already.
I haven't really noticed Sanchez before the world cup, so this signing is for me is something I really want to happen and more excited about.
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I still stand by what I have always said. ITK=KFA unless you really are ITK about things and then you'll hardly be spreading the info far and wide in the public domain if you wish to get any more.
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Legion strikes again. Can you start a 'Milner Not Coming Home' thread?
How about 'No Chance of Messi'?
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You have got to believe in something. I believe in Harj!
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In the MON period we wouldn't have flinched at spending 8 million on a player like Cleverley, it has shaken us because we thought we didnt have a pot to piss in, it may be a bit high but the market has gone crazy again this summer, Long, McCormack, Di Maria etc, when we spent heavily with MON 8 million pound deals for Cuellar and Curtis Davies seemed par for the course, no matter what the fee is if he joins lets all give him our support.
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You have got to believe in something. I believe in Harj!
In Harj I trust.
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Don't give a shit how much we spend or the wages of any new signings.If we improve and we actually start playing decent at home and win more than we lose I'll be happy.Get him in !
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Looking at Man. United's midfield options I would expect him to start tomorrow.
As I've said not fussed either way if we sign him or not. There are better ways to spend this supposed 8m we've found down the back of the sofa.
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Rock me, Amadeus.
The keyboard player bought a synth off me the other day leeg
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Legion strikes again. Can you start a 'Milner Not Coming Home' thread?
How about 'No Chance of Messi'?
Your anti-magic is not that strong surely?
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I'm a harj believer
Bid accepted doesn't mean he's coming though
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Where is the suggestion it is done? Nothing on bulltwit suggests as much
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I see Harjinder's been mouthing off again...I better tell his Dad.
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The straw that I am clutchung at here is that if Utd signed him he must have some ability.
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The straw that I am clutchung at here is that if Utd signed him he must have some ability.
They never signed him, he came through their academy.
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The straw that I am clutchung at here is that if Utd signed him he must have some ability.
*cough* Eric Djemba-Djemba *cough*
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The straw that I am clutchung at here is that if Utd signed him he must have some ability.
*cough* Eric Djemba-Djemba *cough*
I did say it was a straw I was clutching at.
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The straw that I am clutchung at here is that if Utd signed him he must have some ability.
*cough* Eric Djemba-Djemba *cough*
Who was that black striker they've just got rid of? He was really shit as well.
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Cleverley is a good player and I'm sure he's plenty good enough for us. I doubt he'll join and we could do with an attacking midfielder, but he'd improve our side.
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Press reporting that Cleverley had productive talks with Keane but is not well, keen to drop his 70k a week wages - it is like old times isn't it! Matt Holland revisited.
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70k a week. FFS. Just astonishing
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Yet I read in The Guardian only today he's on £30,000 p/w at Man Ure with various add ons.
Basically they haven't a clue - nor about the fee.
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Beat me to it. The Guardian reckons Cleverley is on a basic wage of £30k per week. Poor sod. You have to wonder how he gets by on such a pittance. Ashley Young, meanwhile is apparently on £115k per week. Now that really is astonishing. Article here...
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/29/manchester-united-sell-fringe-players-welbeck-kagawa-anderson (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/29/manchester-united-sell-fringe-players-welbeck-kagawa-anderson)
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Yet I read in The Guardian only today he's on £30,000 p/w at Man Ure with various add ons.
Basically they haven't a clue - nor about the fee.
I think my comment would have been the same. Still stunning what some of these players make in a week.
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Yet I read in The Guardian only today he's on £30,000 p/w at Man Ure with various add ons.
Basically they haven't a clue - nor about the fee.
I think my comment would have been the same. Still stunning what some of these players make in a week.
Wasn't Josh McEachran reportedly on £30000+ to play for Middlesbrough/Swansea loan football? Now that is one of the mentalist footballing related things I have ever heard, crazy.
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Yet I read in The Guardian only today he's on £30,000 p/w at Man Ure with various add ons.
Basically they haven't a clue - nor about the fee.
I think my comment would have been the same. Still stunning what some of these players make in a week.
Wasn't Josh McEachran reportedly on £30000+ to play for Middlesbrough/Swansea loan football? Now that is one of the mentalist footballing related things I have ever heard, crazy.
It was reported that Ciaran Clark earns £40,000 per week playing for us.
At least Chelsea can afford to waste those wages without it having too much of an impact elsewhere.
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Anyone remember the Seth Johnson tale and his salary at Leeds !
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Anyone remember the Seth Johnson tale and his salary at Leeds !
Wasn't it something along the lines of him and his agent agreeing his salary then Peter Risdale saying something like 'we can do better than that' then gave him nearly double what he agreed?
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Anyone remember the Seth Johnson tale and his salary at Leeds !
Wasn't it something along the lines of him and his agent agreeing his salary then Peter Risdale saying something like 'we can do better than that' then gave him nearly double what he agreed?
In short yes although Ridsdale has denied it as he would , but anything was possible with that clown.
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Yet I read in The Guardian only today he's on £30,000 p/w at Man Ure with various add ons.
Basically they haven't a clue - nor about the fee.
I think my comment would have been the same. Still stunning what some of these players make in a week.
Wasn't Josh McEachran reportedly on £30000+ to play for Middlesbrough/Swansea loan football? Now that is one of the mentalist footballing related things I have ever heard, crazy.
It was reported that Ciaran Clark earns £40,000 per week playing for us.
At least Chelsea can afford to waste those wages without it having too much of an impact elsewhere.
As daft as Villa have been in the past, there is no way I believe Clark is on even half that.
If Cleverley is on 30k, then at least we can actually offer him a rise to 40k, the same as the likes of Benteke and Weimann.
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So you want to sign Cleverley and give him wage Parity with benteke ! Do me a favour.
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Surely Weimann isn't on the same wage as CB?
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So you want to sign Cleverley and give him wage Parity with benteke ! Do me a favour.
You think we should give him more?
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So you want to sign Cleverley and give him wage Parity with benteke ! Do me a favour.
Why not? You can't complain that we don't pay decent wages then complain when we actually do.
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We won't be paying him anywhere near 70k a week, let's get real.
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So you want to sign Cleverley and give him wage Parity with benteke ! Do me a favour.
Why not? You can't complain that we don't pay decent wages then complain when we actually do.
Cleverley is shite though. May aswell have kept Albrighton for free and given him the 30k a week he wanted. £8m and £40k a week on cleverley is beyond madness.
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So you want to sign Cleverley and give him wage Parity with benteke ! Do me a favour.
Why not? You can't complain that we don't pay decent wages then complain when we actually do.
Cleverley is shite though. May aswell have kept Albrighton for free and given him the 30k a week he wanted. £8m and £40k a week on cleverley is beyond madness.
Beyond madness = Fairly normal fee and wages for a player like him.
Also, The Guardian say he's on 30K a week. Only you seem to be assuming we'd offer him £10K a week more than that to take what is effectively a step down in his career.
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I would want a lot, lot better for 8m and 70k a week. In fact if we are paying half of these figures for Cleverley then it's too much. He's not as good as Delph for a start.
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The only way I'd take cleverley is on a free and pay him same as What we pay Herd. That's his level.
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The only way I'd take cleverley is on a free and pay him same as What we pay Herd. That's his level.
You should be in charge of all our negotiations. They'd be lining up to play for us.
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I think the fee is a bit high (if the figure is right that is) considering he's out of contact next year. As for the wages, if he takes a pay cut to come here, then great. Suggesting we pay a Man Utd player and England International what we pay Chris Herd is nonsense.
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The only way I'd take cleverley is on a free and pay him same as What we pay Herd. That's his level.
We should also make him clean all the bogs in the stadium after the game and live in a kennel at the training ground.
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Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.
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Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.
In the real world, yes it does. He is also a considerably better player than Chris Herd.
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So you want to sign Cleverley and give him wage Parity with benteke ! Do me a favour.
Why not? You can't complain that we don't pay decent wages then complain when we actually do.
that made me laugh, I myself wouldn't get out of bed for anything less than £50k a day, hell in a hand cart comes to mind.
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I remember watching Cleverley when he was on loan to someone and thought he had huge potential. A bit like Jack G he was head and shoulders above others. He has progressed to be good enough to feature regularly in a team that is still considerably better than us so he is better than most of our current midfielders except maybe Fabian. I still think £8M is TT but there we are.....
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Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.
13 England caps. Whether he was good enough to be picked is another matter but at least get your facts right if you're going to debate instead of making them up to suit your argument.
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Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.
In the real world, yes it does. He is also a considerably better player than Chris Herd.
I'm afraid that's debatable.
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Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.
In the real world, yes it does. He is also a considerably better player than Chris Herd.
I'm afraid that's debatable.
In the sense that absolutely anything is debatable. Chris Herd would not started lots of games in a side managed by Alex Ferguson that won the league by a country mile 2 years ago. I suppose that is open to debate as well, but you'd have to have really backed yourself into a corner to say something like that.
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Cleverley > Herd
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Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.
13 England caps. Whether he was good enough to be picked is another matter but at least get your facts right if you're going to debate instead of making them up to suit your argument.
13 England caps in this era doesn't mean a fat lot. John Stones will soon have more than that.
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Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.
13 England caps. Whether he was good enough to be picked is another matter but at least get your facts right if you're going to debate instead of making them up to suit your argument.
13 England caps in this era doesn't mean a fat lot. John Stones will soon have more than that.
How many caps do you think Herd would have, were he English?
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By all means let's have a debate as to whether Cleverley is worth the money or if his career is in a downward spiral or not. But come on, he's several times better than Chris Herd.
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he improves our squad, so for me this is good, the fact he choose us and not the tigers is also positive, think Roy may well have been an influence, suppose whatever his on we have to pay the going rate,
so welcome to VP, I hope you enjoy your time here.
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Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.
In the real world, yes it does. He is also a considerably better player than Chris Herd.
I'm afraid that's debatable.
Of course it is debatable. But a pretty one-sided debate.
In my opinion.
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Not even Chris Herd's mom thinks he's a better player than Tom Cleverley.
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Chris Herd:
Personal information
Full name Christopher Herd
Date of birth 4 April 1989 (age 25)
Place of birth Perth, Australia
Height 1.73 m (5 ft 8 in)
Playing position Utility player
Club information
Current team
Aston Villa
Number 17
Youth career
ECU Joondalup SC[3]
Bayswater City
2005–2010 Aston Villa
Senior career*
Years Team Apps† (Gls)†
2010– Aston Villa 36 (1)
2008 → Port Vale (loan) 11 (2)
2008 → Wycombe Wanderers (loan) 4 (0)
2009–2010 → Lincoln City (loan) 20 (4)
National team
2009 Australia U20 2 (0)
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Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.
13 England caps. Whether he was good enough to be picked is another matter but at least get your facts right if you're going to debate instead of making them up to suit your argument.
13 England caps in this era doesn't mean a fat lot. John Stones will soon have more than that.
How many caps do you think Herd would have, were he English?
1 more than cleverley.
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Tom Cleverley:
Personal information
Full name Thomas William Cleverley
Date of birth 12 August 1989 (age 25)
Place of birth Basingstoke, England
Height 1.75 m (5 ft 9 in)
Playing position Midfielder
Club information
Current team
Manchester United
Number 23
Youth career
1998–2000 Bradford City
2000–2009 Manchester United
Senior career*
Years Team Apps† (Gls)†
2009– Manchester United 54 (3)
2009 → Leicester City (loan) 15 (2)
2009–2010 → Watford (loan) 33 (11)
2010–2011 → Wigan Athletic (loan) 25 (4)
National team‡
2009 England U20 1 (2)
2009–2011 England U21 16 (0)
2012– England 13 (0)
2012 Great Britain 5 (0)
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Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.
13 England caps. Whether he was good enough to be picked is another matter but at least get your facts right if you're going to debate instead of making them up to suit your argument.
13 England caps in this era doesn't mean a fat lot. John Stones will soon have more than that.
How many caps do you think Herd would have, were he English?
1 more than cleverley.
So 14? Game of opinions, as they say.
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Not even Chris Herd's mom thinks he's a better player than Tom Cleverley.
Not even Chris Herd thinks he's a better player than Tom Cleverley.
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I think there will be a big problem with wages
All those who don't want him will probably get there wish
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Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.
13 England caps. Whether he was good enough to be picked is another matter but at least get your facts right if you're going to debate instead of making them up to suit your argument.
13 England caps in this era doesn't mean a fat lot. John Stones will soon have more than that.
How many caps do you think Herd would have, were he English?
1 more than cleverley.
Come on, you know you have over egged this one - not even you believe that.
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Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.
13 England caps. Whether he was good enough to be picked is another matter but at least get your facts right if you're going to debate instead of making them up to suit your argument.
13 England caps in this era doesn't mean a fat lot. John Stones will soon have more than that.
How many caps do you think Herd would have, were he English?
1 more than cleverley.
So he'd get 14 caps for England even though he hasn't actually hasn't been picked for Australia yet. Are you sure SillyVilla wouldn't be more apt?
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I think this is a story filling the gap between the over eager breaking of us agreeing a fee and the usual time consuming process of a deal being done.
You don't bid for a player and then ask him how much he wants. Leave demands would have been known and factored into a budget before any bid was launched.
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I think there will be a big problem with wages
All those who don't want him will probably get there wish
Maybe. But what do you think Richardson and Senderos were on at Fulham? If wouldn't surprise me if they were on similar to the £30k a week one paper has reported Cleverley is on.
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I don't rate him. He's another average non creative sideways passing midfielder. A poor mans carrick as referred to a few pages back by someone else.
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I don't rate him. He's another average non creative sideways passing midfielder. A poor mans carrick as referred to a few pages back by someone else.
You don't rate him? You hadn't mentioned it.
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I don't rate him. He's another average non creative sideways passing midfielder. A poor mans carrick as referred to a few pages back by someone else.
You don't rate him? You hadn't mentioned it.
Just backing up my argument on the pros and cons of cleverley. I will leave it there. If he signs I wish him well . I just think the money should be spent elsewhere on better quality.
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I think this might be a good signing for us.
Over the last couple of years, his confidence looks to have been shattered by the tabloids, social media and especially the Man U fans who have been absolute c**ts towards him. The Talksport petition to get him dropped from the England squad? Pathetic.
Joining Villa would give him the opportunity to rebuild his career and Villa could benefit from a player who only a couple of years ago, showed a lot of potential. At 25 years of age, he still has time to prove himself away from Man U.
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I will only be able to judge him if he joins and plays for Villa, not seen enough of him to know yet. However the fact that we appear willing to spend some money is at least encouraging. If he joins then let's hope he is an improvement on what we have currently got, certain teams/styles of play suit different players and hopefully he would fit in well. As an example watching Vlaar play for Holland was a completely different experience to watching him play for Villa and with someone like James Milner he looked far better playing for Villa than he seems to be when playing for Man City/England. Just my opinion of course!
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I don't rate him. He's another average non creative sideways passing midfielder. A poor mans carrick as referred to a few pages back by someone else.
You don't rate him? You hadn't mentioned it.
Just backing up my argument on the pros and cons of cleverley. I will leave it there. If he signs I wish him well . I just think the money should be spent elsewhere on better quality.
You didn't mention any pros that I remember. Like his 89% pass completion from last season. You just bemoaned his lack of the intangible quality of "creativity". Creativity basically means finding space on the pitch where you can hurt the opposition. This comes from multiple things and requires movement, passing and dribbling. Whether you think a team managed by Lambert can be good at these things is another matter, but if we signed Cleverley I reckon he'd be the best passer in our side but Andreas Iniesta couldn't find defence splitting passes for a static forward line. Creativity comes from the whole team, not one player.
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Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.
In the real world, yes it does. He is also a considerably better player than Chris Herd.
I'm afraid that's debatable.
In your head only.
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If I hear this England international again
We will be paying 15 million for colback next
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I don't rate him. He's another average non creative sideways passing midfielder. A poor mans carrick as referred to a few pages back by someone else.
You don't rate him? You hadn't mentioned it.
Just backing up my argument on the pros and cons of cleverley. I will leave it there. If he signs I wish him well . I just think the money should be spent elsewhere on better quality.
You didn't mention any pros that I remember. Like his 89% pass completion from last season. You just bemoaned his lack of the intangible quality of "creativity". Creativity basically means finding space on the pitch where you can hurt the opposition. This comes from multiple things and requires movement, passing and dribbling. Whether you think a team managed by Lambert can be good at these things is another matter, but if we signed Cleverley I reckon he'd be the best passer in our side but Andreas Iniesta couldn't find defence splitting passes for a static forward line. Creativity comes from the whole team, not one player.
Thank you for putting into words my exasperation at seeing that term 'creativity' chucked around like we should just go and pluck it off the shelf.
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I don't rate him. He's another average non creative sideways passing midfielder. A poor mans carrick as referred to a few pages back by someone else.
You don't rate him? You hadn't mentioned it.
Just backing up my argument on the pros and cons of cleverley. I will leave it there. If he signs I wish him well . I just think the money should be spent elsewhere on better quality.
You didn't mention any pros that I remember. Like his 89% pass completion from last season. You just bemoaned his lack of the intangible quality of "creativity". Creativity basically means finding space on the pitch where you can hurt the opposition. This comes from multiple things and requires movement, passing and dribbling. Whether you think a team managed by Lambert can be good at these things is another matter, but if we signed Cleverley I reckon he'd be the best passer in our side but Andreas Iniesta couldn't find defence splitting passes for a static forward line. Creativity comes from the whole team, not one player.
Thank you for putting into words my exasperation at seeing that term 'creativity' chucked around like we should just go and pluck it off the shelf.
Definitely the most nonsensical player attribute in Football Manager. I think 'vision' is what people mean by it, the ability to see a pass. Nobody can create a clever pass out of nothing without a run off the ball.
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As for him having nothing to offer, I refer back to the link that was posted several pages back.
Villa 2-0 up and coasting.
Almost 3-0.
Cleverly on.
Stops us playing and plays a lead roll in their 2-3 win.
Yes, that was one game, but he's a non fancy player who will go unnoticed, always seemed to play well when on loan at Wigan, too.
And, Fergie appeared to like him which, in fairness, is high praise.
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Still surprised at much of the antipathy here. We seem to be going round in circles, but just to give the wheel another push, I think, if we can convince him to sign/match his salary demands, it will be a real coup. He is a good player, at a good age, and has just been picked as the latest scapegoat by the laddish banter sites. He will certainly improve us and give us some good depth of quality.
I agree that the acquisition of a creative, dangerous wide player is a pressing need (I like the idea of 3 energetic midfielders but complemented with better quality in those wide forward roles than we already have). However, these types of players don't grow on trees either. Decent players like Cleverley aren't available for us to snap up too often these days, especially with the club's current reputation for malaise. On the fee point, how angry would everyone be if we sold Delph for 7/8 million now. It's tough to argue that Delph should be in an entirely different bracket.
On the 'will he sign point', really pleased that we've had a solid start in the league and there are good news stories like Sanchez and Fox around. Otherwise we would probably have no chance.
I'd be very disappointed if we missed out him now, although I imagine it will be Monday if at all as he just keeps his options open. Fingers crossed.
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I think he'd be a good signing if he joined.
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After the rubbish we've signed recently such as Tonev, Luna and Sylla, I can't believe anybody would moan about somebody coming from Man U, even if they aren't exactly at the top of their game.
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I reckon that Everton/Spurs would be interested if they weren't already packed full of midfielders. Newcastle seem to have already done much of their business, and obviously he isn't French.
Circumstances (such as Man United desperately buying new players in order to stop the rot and thus inevitably having to move their squad players on) have presented a good opportunity which looks to have been swiftly acted on by the club, and for which I feel some kudos should be given. We can obviously back ourselves to land a player over the bottom half clubs with the ground, prestige, fan base, training ground, general set up etc, but that certainly isn't a given and, if we are successful, I would put it down to the speed at which we appear to have acted.
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After the rubbish we've signed recently such as Tonev, Luna and Sylla, I can't believe anybody would moan about somebody coming from Man U, even if they aren't exactly at the top of their game.
Agreed and whatever people think of him he's an international in his mid 20's and he's comfortably good enough for mid table.
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To cut to the chase: Have Manure accepted our bid, if so, are we in talks?
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To cut to the chase: Have Manure accepted our bid, if so, are we in talks?
According to the papers yes. But somewhere also said Hull had had a bid accepted to.
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I suspect Tom might give it another day before his decision, in the hope a better club than ourselves or Hull come in for him with a serious offer. Ultimately I reckon he'll be stretching the shirt by tomorrow evening. Probably after the match is done with.
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Herd as good or even better than Cleverley. You really do read some nonsense on here at times.
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Valencia bid accepted also
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Valencia bid accepted also
What sort of state are they in these days?
To be honest I think he'd probably stay in the Premiership at this stage.
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Was he in a locked room when he met Keano in B'ham?
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Hull are definitely in for him then according to Bruce. Chooses Hull over us I can understand it from the way they have bought this summer, but it would not half be a slap in the chops. We can't compete with the Hull's of this world....
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Well he's obviously not flattered that we have come in for him if he is going to see who else may make a bid.
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Tom Cleverley will receive a £1m golden handshake from Manchester United if he joins Aston Villa in the next couple of days.
The Red Devils touted a new contract to the England midfielder last month because they were concerned about him running down the last few months of his deal.
United have already accepted an offer of £7m from Villa, who are increasingly hopeful they can convince the player to join them.
Cleverley, however, is being forced out of the Old Trafford door and is due £2m in wages on the remainder of his existing £50,000-a-week contract.
It's understood United are now willing to hand over half that figure with Villa picking up the rest of the tab as part of the 25-year-old's signing-on fee.
- See more at: http://www.sportinastorm.com/mobile//Premier-League/Manchester-United/Cleverley-to-receive-Reds-pay-off/X1Y48Z1797843#sthash.UU4B7ELc.dpuf
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Well he's obviously not flattered that we have come in for him if he is going to see who else may make a bid.
I don't see any issue of a player considering his options. It's the same in any walk of life. If you were looking at a change in employer you'd think carefully before making the move and want the best deal for yourself and your family.
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It's a step down for him. However, If he chooses to stay at United to run down his contract, he will simply be delaying the inevitable. Unless Everton come in for him. If he isn't careful, he may just end up playing for the likes of QPR or Sunderland when other managers question his ambition for hanging around at United. Equally, I hope Villa don't loan him and allow him to hedge his bets. Sign up or sod off. Personally, I think he will sign.
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I would be surprised if he chose Hull. I think they're quite likely to go down.
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We should be in for holtby instead , better stats, younger and cheaper
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Just as big a wage, was poor apart from 45 minutes at VP for Fulham and wants to go back to Germany I read.
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Valencia bid accepted also
Im a bit lost here. Who is trying to sign Valencia? Please God let it be us.
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Valencia is massively over-rated IMO. He is a decent wide player, and would walk into our side, but people have him on a pedestal half the time and I struggle to see the fuss.
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The club Valencia have bid for Cleverley.
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Valencia the club have bid for him.
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The club Valencia have bid for Cleverley.
Sorry just got in. Got the wrong end of the stick. Thanks chaps!
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We should be in for holtby instead , better stats, younger and cheaper
Stop talking sense
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Cleverley > Herd
I thought site rules stated that you can not post in texting format or mathematical expressions?
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That's quite impressive. I'm really looking forward to the Chris Herd one now.
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Why do footballers videos on YouTube always come accompanied with mind numbing dance music?
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I would be surprised if he chose Hull. I think they're quite likely to go down.
Remember that wanker Matt Holland who chose Charlton rather than us when moving from Ipswich?
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I would be surprised if he chose Hull. I think they're quite likely to go down.
Remember that wanker Matt Holland who chose Charlton rather than us when moving from Ipswich?
Remember that wanker harewood chose us rather than Wigan, bad day
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If Tom Cleverley does sign for us, why do I have this horrible gut feeling that he will be another that really doesn't want to be here? Players like Richard Dunne, Stephen Ireland and going back a bit, the likes of Mike Ferguson and Barry Hole. I even got that feeling that James Milner would have preferred to be elsewhere when he signed for us, although he proved me wrong. I'm sure there are others if I think hard enough. As I say, it's probably just me.
I prefer the way we've conducted the majority of our transfer business during the Lerner era. Swift and concise and the first anyone knows about it is when the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed.
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Yeah paul Mortimer I remember;)
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That's quite impressive. I'm really looking forward to the Chris Herd one now.
Here you go (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Tau-ycUQU)
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I would be surprised if he chose Hull. I think they're quite likely to go down.
Remember that wanker Matt Holland who chose Charlton rather than us when moving from Ipswich?
Remember that wanker harewood chose us rather than Wigan, bad day
He was actually driving up to Wigan to sign for them when MON got in touch, and his agent called him en route and got him to stop off at Villa Park and sign for us instead.
A little like climbing the stairs with Sonia from Eastenders, only to get a phone call from Megan Fox when you're halfway up, asking you to come round for a bunk-up.
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If Tom Cleverley does sign for us, why do I have this horrible gut feeling that he will be another that really doesn't want to be here? Players like Richard Dunne, Stephen Ireland and going back a bit, the likes of Mike Ferguson and Barry Hole. I even got that feeling that James Milner would have preferred to be elsewhere when he signed for us, although he proved me wrong. I'm sure there are others if I think hard enough. As I say, it's probably just me.
I prefer the way we've conducted the majority of our transfer business during the Lerner era. Swift and concise and the first anyone knows about it is when the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed.
I liked Mike Ferguson, Dave. I like skillful players. He could beat his opposing marker without having to think about it. And the two that followed!
Dont know where Dave Clark Five has gone this season but no doubt he would comfirm that fact.
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I was there that day Ron when Ferguson scored THAT goal against us for Blackburn. IIRC, we spent the following years trying to sign him. Moved to QPR after a couple of seasons didn't he?
Ginola was another who didn't really fancy us.
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I was there that day Ron when Ferguson scored THAT goal against us for Blackburn. IIRC, we spent the following years trying to sign him. Moved to QPR after a couple of seasons didn't he?
Ginola was another who didn't really fancy us.
Or Sasa Curcic.
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If Tom Cleverley does sign for us, why do I have this horrible gut feeling that he will be another that really doesn't want to be here? Players like Richard Dunne, Stephen Ireland and going back a bit, the likes of Mike Ferguson and Barry Hole. I even got that feeling that James Milner would have preferred to be elsewhere when he signed for us, although he proved me wrong. I'm sure there are others if I think hard enough. As I say, it's probably just me.
I prefer the way we've conducted the majority of our transfer business during the Lerner era. Swift and concise and the first anyone knows about it is when the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed.
I liked Mike Ferguson, Dave. I like skillful players. He could beat his opposing marker without having to think about it. And the two that followed!
Dont know where Dave Clark Five has gone this season but no doubt he would comfirm that fact.
I was just wondering the same about where DC5 has gone whilst out on my run this morning. Plus Villajk. I have seen neither of them on here for a long while
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They no longer post on here.
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Why do footballers videos on YouTube always come accompanied with mind numbing dance music?
And worse this one is like looking through a toilet roll .
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Oliver Kay of the Times has written a big piece on Cleverley today, very interesting too. The main gist being that he's an energetic, talented, intelligent footballer who has suffered a drop in confidence over the last year or two, largely due to being over promoted by club and country due to their dearth of midfield talent.
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If Tom Cleverley does sign for us, why do I have this horrible gut feeling that he will be another that really doesn't want to be here?
I made this point a few pages back and I don't think this dimension of the deal can be under-estimated. It's Stephen Ireland II. Virtually the same fee and wage no doubt, Manchester - Birmingham , Sky4 club - us, the similarities are scary.
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Stephen Ireland came as part of a 'package' (probably against his wishes), though.
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Based on cleverleys comments the other month, I don't think he's busting a gut to leave Yanited.
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If Tom Cleverley does sign for us, why do I have this horrible gut feeling that he will be another that really doesn't want to be here?
I made this point a few pages back and I don't think this dimension of the deal can be under-estimated. It's Stephen Ireland II. Virtually the same fee and wage no doubt, Manchester - Birmingham , Sky4 club - us, the similarities are scary.
I very much doubt that Cleverley, or anyone else on the planet for that matter, is as much of a wanker as Ireland.
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Based on cleverleys comments the other month, I don't think he's busting a gut to leave Yanited.
Why would he be? He's at one of the biggest clubs on the planet having been there through some of their most successful years and being paid well. He's been at the club since he was a kid and is likely very settled there.
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Based on cleverleys comments the other month, I don't think he's busting a gut to leave Yanited.
Sit there and not play, or revamp his career and play lower down? Tough choice as he is at what he might think is the pinnacle in terms of the club he is at. However, he's a reject for them and will need to take this in to consideration. Whatever happens, his United career is over and he'll be moving on.
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He won't be the first player ever to leave Man Utd who didn't want to. And there's been plenty who've gone onto have decent careers as well.
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Benteke doesn't want to play for us and probably never has or will. Why would any player "want" to play for villa over another team unless they were a childhood fan? And is it relevant? Are players with low opinions of themselves who are honoured to play for the mighty villa a better bet? Like lowton? To be honest I'd have thought there's an inverse relationship between quality of footballer and willingness to play for us.
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Benteke came from a small team in Belgium did the business and wanted a move after 9 months. He's yet to replicate that form for us to be honest.
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Well some footballers are professional let's hope Cleverley is. I hate badge kissers.
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Benteke came from a small team in Belgium did the business and wanted a move after 9 months. He's yet to replicate that form for us to be honest.
He has. Unfortunately he has been unlucky with injuries. But if you remember Norwich at home he was on fire just getting back to full fitness and then he got injured again.
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Benteke came from a small team in Belgium did the business and wanted a move
after 9 months. He's yet to replicate that form for us to be honest.
You're beginning to post stuff just to get a reaction and to be honest, it's starting to get a bit boring.
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If I had been good enough to play pro football and the club I was at no longer wanted me, should another club show that they do and offer me acceptable terms then, I would bust a gut to give that club everything I could for as long as I could.
Back in the real world, I was once made redundant and a man from another garage heard about it and rang me. He said that he didn't have a job to give me but if I called in on Monday we could have a chat. At that meeting he said I could come in each Monday and lend a hand. I went in on that Monday and worked there every working day for nearly six years. For that six years I gave everything I could for that man in total appreciation that he found a job for me that, in reality he didn't have.
My point is, the situation didn't really suit me but I appreciated it and it allowed me to move on when the time was right.
Different times and, I think different values.
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If Tom Cleverley does sign for us, why do I have this horrible gut feeling that he will be another that really doesn't want to be here?
I made this point a few pages back and I don't think this dimension of the deal can be under-estimated. It's Stephen Ireland II. Virtually the same fee and wage no doubt, Manchester - Birmingham , Sky4 club - us, the similarities are scary.
Dear oh dear, what nonsense. Roughly the same fee and leaving a Manchester club so the similarities are "scary"?
Why can't you just say you don't want us to sign him and be done with it rather than lay all this nonsense on top?
I'm not that keen on the deal myself, as are plenty of us, but don't feel the need to add this sort of histrionic nonsense to the discussion.
It's like you have to plumb a new low of misery on pretty much every subject.
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Benteke came from a small team in Belgium did the business and wanted a move after 9 months. He's yet to replicate that form for us to be honest.
He's picked up 2 bad injuries in that time though.
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Benteke came from a small team in Belgium did the business and wanted a move after 9 months. He's yet to replicate that form for us to be honest.
The way he signed a new contract last summer was surely proof positive that he hates being here.
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Benteke came from a small team in Belgium did the business and wanted a move after 9 months. He's yet to replicate that form for us to be honest.
He has. Unfortunately he has been unlucky with injuries. But if you remember Norwich at home he was on fire just getting back to full fitness and then he got injured again.
I don't think he's ever been fully fit again since the initial injury (was it Norwich away?). That goal at home that hauled us level v Norwich was ridiculously good. I'd love to think when he's back mid October he will go on to replicate the season1 form. I hope he does.
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I think if we do get him, it might see us play a diamond shape.
Cleverly
Delph Westwood
Sanchez
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Benteke came from a small team in Belgium did the business and wanted a move after 9 months. He's yet to replicate that form for us to be honest.
The way he signed a new contract last summer was surely proof positive that he hates being here.
Or that he likes being paid more money. Contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on.
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Benteke came from a small team in Belgium did the business and wanted a move after 9 months. He's yet to replicate that form for us to be honest.
The way he signed a new contract last summer was surely proof positive that he hates being here.
Or that he likes being paid more money. Contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on.
He had 3 years left on his contract so we held the all the aces. There is no loyalty left in football anymore , a club like us exploit it and flounder at it's mercy. I grew up with football in the 70's. Yes I'm struggling with the transition to a superficial football world of greed, promiscuity and averageness.
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Benteke came from a small team in Belgium did the business and wanted a move after 9 months. He's yet to replicate that form for us to be honest.
The way he signed a new contract last summer was surely proof positive that he hates being here.
Or that he likes being paid more money. Contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on.
He had 3 years left on his contract so we held the all the aces. There is no loyalty left in football anymore , a club like us exploit it and flounder at it's mercy. I grew up with football in the 70's. Yes I'm struggling with the transition to a superficial football world of greed, promiscuity and averageness.
Agree with a lot of the things in this but don't really remember professional footballers ever being chaste.
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I think if we do get him, it might see us play a diamond shape.
Cleverly
Delph Westwood
Sanchez
I'm hoping for a diamond of
New signing (maybe Holtby)
Delph Cleverley
Sanchez
Behind Benteke and Kozak
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Benteke came from a small team in Belgium did the business and wanted a move after 9 months. He's yet to replicate that form for us to be honest.
The way he signed a new contract last summer was surely proof positive that he hates being here.
Or that he likes being paid more money. Contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on.
He had 3 years left on his contract so we held the all the aces. There is no loyalty left in football anymore , a club like us exploit it and flounder at it's mercy. I grew up with football in the 70's. Yes I'm struggling with the transition to a superficial football world of greed, promiscuity and averageness.
Agree with a lot of the things in this but don't really remember professional footballers ever being chaste.
Is there any chance we can treat footballers like indentured servants again?
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If Tom Cleverley does sign for us, why do I have this horrible gut feeling that he will be another that really doesn't want to be here?
I made this point a few pages back and I don't think this dimension of the deal can be under-estimated. It's Stephen Ireland II. Virtually the same fee and wage no doubt, Manchester - Birmingham , Sky4 club - us, the similarities are scary.
I very much doubt that Cleverley, or anyone else on the planet for that matter, is as much of a wanker as Ireland.
Savage?
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If I had been good enough to play pro football and the club I was at no longer wanted me, should another club show that they do and offer me acceptable terms then, I would bust a gut to give that club everything I could for as long as I could.
Back in the real world, I was once made redundant and a man from another garage heard about it and rang me. He said that he didn't have a job to give me but if I called in on Monday we could have a chat. At that meeting he said I could come in each Monday and lend a hand. I went in on that Monday and worked there every working day for nearly six years. For that six years I gave everything I could for that man in total appreciation that he found a job for me that, in reality he didn't have.
My point is, the situation didn't really suit me but I appreciated it and it allowed me to move on when the time was right.
Different times and, I think different values.
Well said Dave.
It's a shame that a very talented man like Ireland has wasted his best years and that Jim Milner is happy to sit on a bench every week. His first appearance this season will be for England and that in itself is a scandal. As to why he doesn't go somewhere and do what he is good at on the pitch every week is behind my apprehension.
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If I had been good enough to play pro football and the club I was at no longer wanted me, should another club show that they do and offer me acceptable terms then, I would bust a gut to give that club everything I could for as long as I could.
Back in the real world, I was once made redundant and a man from another garage heard about it and rang me. He said that he didn't have a job to give me but if I called in on Monday we could have a chat. At that meeting he said I could come in each Monday and lend a hand. I went in on that Monday and worked there every working day for nearly six years. For that six years I gave everything I could for that man in total appreciation that he found a job for me that, in reality he didn't have.
My point is, the situation didn't really suit me but I appreciated it and it allowed me to move on when the time was right.
Different times and, I think different values.
Well said Dave.
It's a shame that a very talented man like Ireland has wasted his best years and that Jim Milner is happy to sit on a bench every week. His first appearance this season will be for England and that in itself is a scandal. As to why he doesn't go somewhere and do what he is good at on the pitch every week is behind my apprehension.
I couldn't begin to gue$$.
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Yes I know but he wouldn't exactly be poor playing for any of the other established PL teams.
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Yes I know but he wouldn't exactly be poor playing for any of the other established PL teams.
He gets paid a fortune, wins medals and plays for England. By any rational standards that's a successful career.
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£100k a week at his age. Nice work if you can get it.
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Who else is going to pay him 130k a week. As much as I would love to see him in the centre of our midfield, why would you give that up?
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Yes I know but he wouldn't exactly be poor playing for any of the other established PL teams.
He gets paid a fortune, wins medals and plays for England. By any rational standards that's a successful career.
For the real world though it is just wrong to waste the finite talent that he has. The ordinary working man would do what he does for minimum wage every day of the week. It isn't the real world they live in so everything I have just written is science fiction.
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May be just may be that as a footballer he would want to compete on the pitch every week?
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Yes I know but he wouldn't exactly be poor playing for any of the other established PL teams.
He gets paid a fortune, wins medals and plays for England. By any rational standards that's a successful career.
For the real world though it is just wrong to waste the finite talent that he has. The ordinary working man would do what he does for minimum wage every day of the week. It isn't the real world they live in so everything I just wrote is science fiction.
Look at what I wrote and tell me how that's wasting his talent.
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Yes I know but he wouldn't exactly be poor playing for any of the other established PL teams.
He gets paid a fortune, wins medals and plays for England. By any rational standards that's a successful career.
For the real world though it is just wrong to waste the finite talent that he has. The ordinary working man would do what he does for minimum wage every day of the week. It isn't the real world they live in so everything I just wrote is science fiction.
Look at what I wrote and tell me how that's wasting his talent.
He only plays for England because we are so poor and the EPL is full of better foreign players. As I said being a bit part at a top side may well be enough for him but I am pretty sure when he looks back on his career he will have regrets.
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Yes I know but he wouldn't exactly be poor playing for any of the other established PL teams.
He gets paid a fortune, wins medals and plays for England. By any rational standards that's a successful career.
For the real world though it is just wrong to waste the finite talent that he has. The ordinary working man would do what he does for minimum wage every day of the week. It isn't the real world they live in so everything I just wrote is science fiction.
Look at what I wrote and tell me how that's wasting his talent.
Read what everyone thinks and think about that. Try something new!
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Yes I know but he wouldn't exactly be poor playing for any of the other established PL teams.
He gets paid a fortune, wins medals and plays for England. By any rational standards that's a successful career.
For the real world though it is just wrong to waste the finite talent that he has. The ordinary working man would do what he does for minimum wage every day of the week. It isn't the real world they live in so everything I just wrote is science fiction.
Look at what I wrote and tell me how that's wasting his talent.
Read what everyone thinks and think about that. Try something new!
What, like having my own opinion? Or should I just agree with 'everyone'?
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Yes I know but he wouldn't exactly be poor playing for any of the other established PL teams.
He gets paid a fortune, wins medals and plays for England. By any rational standards that's a successful career.
For the real world though it is just wrong to waste the finite talent that he has. The ordinary working man would do what he does for minimum wage every day of the week. It isn't the real world they live in so everything I just wrote is science fiction.
Look at what I wrote and tell me how that's wasting his talent.
He only plays for England because we are so poor and the EPL is full of better foreign players. As I said being a bit part at a top side may well be enough for him but I am pretty sure when he looks back on his career he will have regrets.
I doubt it.
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Yes I know but he wouldn't exactly be poor playing for any of the other established PL teams.
He gets paid a fortune, wins medals and plays for England. By any rational standards that's a successful career.
For the real world though it is just wrong to waste the finite talent that he has. The ordinary working man would do what he does for minimum wage every day of the week. It isn't the real world they live in so everything I just wrote is science fiction.
Look at what I wrote and tell me how that's wasting his talent.
He only plays for England because we are so poor and the EPL is full of better foreign players. As I said being a bit part at a top side may well be enough for him but I am pretty sure when he looks back on his career he will have regrets.
I dout it.
Pretty sure there were rumblings of discontent this summer from him or probably his agent and as a player he hasn't improved and although supposition on my part I believe it is because of how little football he has played. If anything he has gone backwards, football moves on very quickly.
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Pretty sure there were rumblings of discontent this summer from him or probably his agent and as a player he hasn't improved and although supposition on my part I believe it is because of how little football he has played. If anything he has gone backwards, football moves on very quickly.
Maybe he's at the level best suited to him. I can't imagine any player who would swap his situation for playing 38 league games at Hull.
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I thought he was fairly important for City last season, especially coming off the bench, and if anything was playing to a higher standard than ever. I certainly saw him turn games they were struggling in. And I doubt he phones it in in training, he most likely works his nuts off all week, whether he's likely to start the next game or not.
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Who else is going to pay him 130k a week. As much as I would love to see him in the centre of our midfield, why would you give that up?
Indeed.
I imagine it's not quite so easy to say "know what, I value my career too much to not go somewhere I will play every week, so sod that 130k a week" if you are actually earning 130k a week.
That one crops up on here all he time: "but he could be a legend here!".
One of the weakest arguments out there.
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Yes I know but he wouldn't exactly be poor playing for any of the other established PL teams.
He gets paid a fortune, wins medals and plays for England. By any rational standards that's a successful career.
For the real world though it is just wrong to waste the finite talent that he has. The ordinary working man would do what he does for minimum wage every day of the week. It isn't the real world they live in so everything I just wrote is science fiction.
Look at what I wrote and tell me how that's wasting his talent.
Read what everyone thinks and think about that. Try something new!
What, like having my own opinion? Or should I just agree with 'everyone'?
Just not trying to be so smug after every opinion given would be nice.
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Yes I know but he wouldn't exactly be poor playing for any of the other established PL teams.
He gets paid a fortune, wins medals and plays for England. By any rational standards that's a successful career.
Sadly it is. I like being reminded of why I can't be bothered much with football these days, outside of my half-hearted and withering support of the Villa. Milner is just one of many doing the same to a larger or lesser extent. The fact that he is at Man City means he gets a few extra medals and more dosh for doing bog all really
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Just not trying to be so smug after every opinion given would be nice.
It's called having a different opinion, and if you don't want to read it you don't have to.
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Milner's is a successful career by any standards, and you can't possibly say he's wasted his talent when it's brought him so much success and wealth, but it's hard not to think he could have done more. He seems like a relatively bright bloke (not hard by footballer standards, I know) but I think he was naive if he assumed he'd walk straight into Man City's midfield. Had he stayed with us for a bit longer, or moved to another club that played him in the central midfield role where he excelled for us, you'd think he might have continued on the trajectory that had him recognised with a PFA award. By now he ought to have been the natural successor for the hole that has appeared in the England midfield, thanks to Lampard and Gerrard thoughtfully deciding to stop stealing caps and stinking out the national team; that's if he hadn't already ousted one of them. In fact, I don't think it's too daft to suggest that Milner could well have been the next England captain, had he continued to play thirty odd games a season in central midfield for a top half club (particularly when you consider his rivals for the armband were a frustrated ape and a narcissistic shampoo peddler). As it is, he wasn't even in the frame for the armband and he's become nothing more than a steady utility man. He's been so long out of central midfield no one even remembers how good he was at it. I doubt Hodgson has even considered him for that role, and he'll more than likely be stuck out on the right wing while the Ginger Pirlo repeatedly pings the ball out of play from the centre circle.
Milner's move to Man City has brought him medals and money, but instead of winning renown as the dynamic all-round midfielder he had the potential to be, he's destined to be remembered as an unexceptional bits and pieces man, and a bloody boring one at that. I think that's a bit of a shame. Of course, I am talking from my usual romantic standpoint, somewhere on the outskirts of reality, where money isn't everything and happiness cannot be bought. Which is why James Milner will have absolutely no regrets when he hangs up his boots and why I will still be poor, hungry, squinting at my computer screen through salty tears and wrapping myself in yards of moral fibre to keep warm.
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Just not trying to be so smug after every opinion given would be nice.
It's called having a different opinion, and if you don't want to read it you don't have to.
No, in your case it's about voicing an opinion to get a reaction. At the end of the day, your opinion means no more than anyone else's, but for some reason you're given more time than most. Given time and reading of your posts, in my opinion, suggests you know less than most. You're the equivalent of a Guardian journalist - someone who's well intentioned, but thinks they're better than everyone else, but actually their articles/opinions aren't actually all that interesting/relevant.
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Just not trying to be so smug after every opinion given would be nice.
It's called having a different opinion, and if you don't want to read it you don't have to.
No, in your case it's about voicing an opinion to get a reaction. At the end of the day, your opinion means no more than anyone else's, but for some reason you're given more time than most. Given time and reading of your posts, in my opinion, suggests you know less than most. You're the equivalent of a Guardian journalist - someone who's well intentioned, but thinks they're better than everyone else, but actually their articles/opinions aren't actually all that interesting/relevant.
You missed the bit about where I ban people who disagree with me.
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Milner's is a successful career by any standards, and you can't possibly say he's wasted his talent when it's brought him so much success and wealth, but it's hard not to think he could have done more. He seems like a relatively bright bloke (not hard by footballer standards, I know) but I think he was naive if he assumed he'd walk straight into Man City's midfield. Had he stayed with us for a bit longer, or moved to another club that played him in the central midfield role where he excelled for us, you'd think he might have continued on the trajectory that had him recognised with a PFA award. By now he ought to have been the natural successor for the hole that has appeared in the England midfield, thanks to Lampard and Gerrard thoughtfully deciding to stop stealing caps and stinking out the national team; that's if he hadn't already ousted one of them. In fact, I don't think it's too daft to suggest that Milner could well have been the next England captain, had he continued to play thirty odd games a season in central midfield for a top half club (particularly when you consider his rivals for the armband were a frustrated ape and a narcissistic shampoo peddler). As it is, he wasn't even in the frame for the armband and he's become nothing more than a steady utility man. He's been so long out of central midfield no one even remembers how good he was at it. I doubt Hodgson has even considered him for that role, and he'll more than likely be stuck out on the right wing while the Ginger Pirlo repeatedly pings the ball out of play from the centre circle.
Milner's move to Man City has brought him medals and money, but instead of winning renown as the dynamic all-round midfielder he had the potential to be, he's destined to be remembered as an unexceptional bits and pieces man, and a bloody boring one at that. I think that's a bit of a shame. Of course, I am talking from my usual romantic standpoint, somewhere on the outskirts of reality, where money isn't everything and happiness cannot be bought. Which is why James Milner will have absolutely no regrets when he hangs up his boots and why I will still be poor, hungry, squinting at my computer screen through salty tears and wrapping myself in yards of moral fibre to keep warm.
I know what you mean, and definitely agree on the "romantic" front, but at the same time, it's worth noting that if Milner had stayed here, he'd have won absolutely nothing, and - although clearly his continued presence would have strengthened us - would almost certainly have spent the last four seasons of his career poking around the arse end of the table.
Our problem as fans is that we struggle to see things which concern our club as anything but fans.
I believe the people who said he was upset when he left here. He spent a year here, went back to Newcastle, and then came back to us, which in itself shows some attachment.
Despite all that, though, he's played plenty for England, and has won the FA Cup and league title. I love Villa more than James Milner ever will, but I can't really say he did the wrong thing in moving to them.
I honestly think that if there is any sadness or missed opportunity about Milner's career so far, it isn't about him being at Man City, it is that - both domestically and internationally - he gets played out wide so often, where he is utterly wasted. I don't even think he's a reasonable wide player, I think he's actually pretty poor out there. I can't believe managers still play him out there.
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Pretty sure there were rumblings of discontent this summer from him or probably his agent and as a player he hasn't improved and although supposition on my part I believe it is because of how little football he has played. If anything he has gone backwards, football moves on very quickly.
Maybe he's at the level best suited to him. I can't imagine any player who would swap his situation for playing 38 league games at Hull.
Wouldn't have to be Hull or that level though, he would get into every team in the prem apart from Man City and Chelsea week in and week out.
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Pretty sure there were rumblings of discontent this summer from him or probably his agent and as a player he hasn't improved and although supposition on my part I believe it is because of how little football he has played. If anything he has gone backwards, football moves on very quickly.
Maybe he's at the level best suited to him. I can't imagine any player who would swap his situation for playing 38 league games at Hull.
Wouldn't have to be Hull or that level though, he would get into every team in the prem apart from Man City and Chelsea week in and week out.
I'm not so sure, and even if he could get into Arsenal or Liverpool's team would that be worth the medals and knowing he was with the best club he could be at?
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Pretty sure there were rumblings of discontent this summer from him or probably his agent and as a player he hasn't improved and although supposition on my part I believe it is because of how little football he has played. If anything he has gone backwards, football moves on very quickly.
Maybe he's at the level best suited to him. I can't imagine any player who would swap his situation for playing 38 league games at Hull.
Wouldn't have to be Hull or that level though, he would get into every team in the prem apart from Man City and Chelsea week in and week out.
I'm not so sure, and even if he could get into Arsenal or Liverpool's team would that be worth the medals and knowing he was with the best club he could be at?
He is better than Henderson and Allen. Pretty sure Luckypool were rumoured to be in for him. Pretty sure it will all be decided this season as his contract is coming to an end. As previously stated he has gone backwards and could have been so much more playing every week though we will never know if the medals etc personally have made him happy. He always looked to me like he lived for football and playing the game every week.
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Pretty sure there were rumblings of discontent this summer from him or probably his agent and as a player he hasn't improved and although supposition on my part I believe it is because of how little football he has played. If anything he has gone backwards, football moves on very quickly.
Maybe he's at the level best suited to him. I can't imagine any player who would swap his situation for playing 38 league games at Hull.
Wouldn't have to be Hull or that level though, he would get into every team in the prem apart from Man City and Chelsea week in and week out.
I'm not so sure, and even if he could get into Arsenal or Liverpool's team would that be worth the medals and knowing he was with the best club he could be at?
He is better than Henderson and Allen. Pretty sure Luckypool were rumoured to be in for him. Pretty sure it will all be decided this season as his contract is coming to an end. As previously stated he has gone backwards and could have been so much more playing every week though we will never know if the medals etc personally have made him happy. He always looked to me like he lived for football and playing the game every week.
I don't suppose we'll ever know what motivates him, but I would guess £130k a week is reason enough.
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I'd be happy enough if he joins, but if he doesn't I hope we have other options.
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Milner's is a successful career by any standards, and you can't possibly say he's wasted his talent when it's brought him so much success and wealth, but it's hard not to think he could have done more. He seems like a relatively bright bloke (not hard by footballer standards, I know) but I think he was naive if he assumed he'd walk straight into Man City's midfield. Had he stayed with us for a bit longer, or moved to another club that played him in the central midfield role where he excelled for us, you'd think he might have continued on the trajectory that had him recognised with a PFA award. By now he ought to have been the natural successor for the hole that has appeared in the England midfield, thanks to Lampard and Gerrard thoughtfully deciding to stop stealing caps and stinking out the national team; that's if he hadn't already ousted one of them. In fact, I don't think it's too daft to suggest that Milner could well have been the next England captain, had he continued to play thirty odd games a season in central midfield for a top half club (particularly when you consider his rivals for the armband were a frustrated ape and a narcissistic shampoo peddler). As it is, he wasn't even in the frame for the armband and he's become nothing more than a steady utility man. He's been so long out of central midfield no one even remembers how good he was at it. I doubt Hodgson has even considered him for that role, and he'll more than likely be stuck out on the right wing while the Ginger Pirlo repeatedly pings the ball out of play from the centre circle.
Milner's move to Man City has brought him medals and money, but instead of winning renown as the dynamic all-round midfielder he had the potential to be, he's destined to be remembered as an unexceptional bits and pieces man, and a bloody boring one at that. I think that's a bit of a shame. Of course, I am talking from my usual romantic standpoint, somewhere on the outskirts of reality, where money isn't everything and happiness cannot be bought. Which is why James Milner will have absolutely no regrets when he hangs up his boots and why I will still be poor, hungry, squinting at my computer screen through salty tears and wrapping myself in yards of moral fibre to keep warm.
I know what you mean, and definitely agree on the "romantic" front, but at the same time, it's worth noting that if Milner had stayed here, he'd have won absolutely nothing, and - although clearly his continued presence would have strengthened us - would almost certainly have spent the last four seasons of his career poking around the arse end of the table.
Our problem as fans is that we struggle to see things which concern our club as anything but fans.
I believe the people who said he was upset when he left here. He spent a year here, went back to Newcastle, and then came back to us, which in itself shows some attachment.
Despite all that, though, he's played plenty for England, and has won the FA Cup and league title. I love Villa more than James Milner ever will, but I can't really say he did the wrong thing in moving to them.
I honestly think that if there is any sadness or missed opportunity about Milner's career so far, it isn't about him being at Man City, it is that - both domestically and internationally - he gets played out wide so often, where he is utterly wasted. I don't even think he's a reasonable wide player, I think he's actually pretty poor out there. I can't believe managers still play him out there.
Agree with all of that Paulie, particularly your last point. That's actually the thing that pains me most, seeing him stuck out on the wing all the time. He's actually quite the scapegoat these days, every England failure is followed by abuse from idiotic phone-in fans ranting about how crap he is out there. Course he is! He's not a bloody winger! It seems only Villa fans are aware of that.
But yes, he'd have won nothing with us. At the time he left, the only step up was to a top four side, and with that comes greater competition. That's the risk you take. And if he hadn't moved when those clubs were clamouring for him, what would that have said about his ambition? I don't blame him for moving where he did, when he did, but in hindsight can't help wondering if it was the best move. There are always two sides to these things. Alan Shearer still gets stick for spurning Man Utd and medals in favour of his hometown club, while other people praise him for exactly the same thing. Depends what matters to you I suppose. (In Shearer's case what matters to me is that I think he's a git, so I'm glad he won bugger all).
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Play for the club i love and support for £30k, or play for a club i hate but earning £130k as a bit part player but winning medals?
£130k a week all day. I'd do a joe cole and come here around 32/33. Have 2 years, then fuck off out the country for good. I've got this all planned out. There's still time.
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Pretty sure there were rumblings of discontent this summer from him or probably his agent and as a player he hasn't improved and although supposition on my part I believe it is because of how little football he has played. If anything he has gone backwards, football moves on very quickly.
Maybe he's at the level best suited to him. I can't imagine any player who would swap his situation for playing 38 league games at Hull.
Wouldn't have to be Hull or that level though, he would get into every team in the prem apart from Man City and Chelsea week in and week out.
I'm not so sure, and even if he could get into Arsenal or Liverpool's team would that be worth the medals and knowing he was with the best club he could be at?
He is better than Henderson and Allen. Pretty sure Luckypool were rumoured to be in for him. Pretty sure it will all be decided this season as his contract is coming to an end. As previously stated he has gone backwards and could have been so much more playing every week though we will never know if the medals etc personally have made him happy. He always looked to me like he lived for football and playing the game every week.
I don't suppose we'll ever know what motivates him, but I would guess £130k a week is reason enough.
Shame but you are correct.
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Play for the club i love and support for £30k, or play for a club i hate but earning £130k as a bit part player but winning medals?
£130k a week all day. I'd do a joe cole and come here around 32/33. Have 2 years, then fuck off out the country for good. I've got this all planned out. There's still time.
Well it's alright for you, Edgy, you're obviously a bit younger than me. My knees are shot. Still, not to worry, it's got to be my turn to manage Leeds soon. Must be a few quid in that, and you only have to do a few weeks.
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Play for the club i love and support for £30k, or play for a club i hate but earning £130k as a bit part player but winning medals?
£130k a week all day. I'd do a joe cole and come here around 32/33. Have 2 years, then fuck off out the country for good. I've got this all planned out. There's still time.
Innit.
I think the other thing is that, if you had actually got to play a season or two for the club you supported, the thrill would have worn off by that point.
Look at Grealish, for example. If you follow him on twitter, it is clear that he is Villa through and through and his dream is to play for his club. So, pretty soon he'll start a top flight game for us, and he'll have fulfilled his dream.
After two, maybe three years of fucking about at the arse end of the table with his boyhood club, though, when he starts to think about what he wants to achieve with his career, and if he gets offered chances at clubs where he can really win things, or if he's earning 30k a week and someone offers him four times as much, does anyone really think that he's going to turn that down to stick with his boyhood club?
Really? In fact, how many players can we think of who have had serious opportunities and turned them down? Le Tissier at Southampton, maybe, but how many others?
Would you? If you were a 30k a week player at Villa and Man City offered you 130k and the chance to play in the Champions League, to win cups and titles, would you really say "no thanks, I'll be a legend at Villa instead"? Really?
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I don't suppose we'll ever know what motivates him, but I would guess £130k a week is reason enough.
Shame but you are correct.
The easiest job in the world is spending someone else's money and the second easiest is deciding that they earn more than enough to live on.
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Play for the club i love and support for £30k, or play for a club i hate but earning £130k as a bit part player but winning medals?
£130k a week all day. I'd do a joe cole and come here around 32/33. Have 2 years, then fuck off out the country for good. I've got this all planned out. There's still time.
Innit.
I think the other thing is that, if you had actually got to play a season or two for the club you supported, the thrill would have worn off by that point.
Look at Grealish, for example. If you follow him on twitter, it is clear that he is Villa through and through and his dream is to play for his club. So, pretty soon he'll start a top flight game for us, and he'll have fulfilled his dream.
After two, maybe three years of fucking about at the arse end of the table with his boyhood club, though, when he starts to think about what he wants to achieve with his career, and if he gets offered chances at clubs where he can really win things, or if he's earning 30k a week and someone offers him four times as much, does anyone really think that he's going to turn that down to stick with his boyhood club?
Really? In fact, how many players can we think of who have had serious opportunities and turned them down? Le Tissier at Southampton, maybe, but how many others?
Would you? If you were a 30k a week player at Villa and Man City offered you 130k and the chance to play in the Champions League, to win cups and titles, would you really say "no thanks, I'll be a legend at Villa instead"? Really?
And would le Tiss turn it down now, when Southampton couldn't offer anything like the money Chelsea could?
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Play for the club i love and support for £30k, or play for a club i hate but earning £130k as a bit part player but winning medals?
£130k a week all day. I'd do a joe cole and come here around 32/33. Have 2 years, then fuck off out the country for good. I've got this all planned out. There's still time.
Innit.
I think the other thing is that, if you had actually got to play a season or two for the club you supported, the thrill would have worn off by that point.
Look at Grealish, for example. If you follow him on twitter, it is clear that he is Villa through and through and his dream is to play for his club. So, pretty soon he'll start a top flight game for us, and he'll have fulfilled his dream.
After two, maybe three years of fucking about at the arse end of the table with his boyhood club, though, when he starts to think about what he wants to achieve with his career, and if he gets offered chances at clubs where he can really win things, or if he's earning 30k a week and someone offers him four times as much, does anyone really think that he's going to turn that down to stick with his boyhood club?
Really? In fact, how many players can we think of who have had serious opportunities and turned them down? Le Tissier at Southampton, maybe, but how many others?
Would you? If you were a 30k a week player at Villa and Man City offered you 130k and the chance to play in the Champions League, to win cups and titles, would you really say "no thanks, I'll be a legend at Villa instead"? Really?
And would le Tiss turn it down now, when Southampton couldn't offer anything like the money Chelsea could?
Not everyone is driven by the pursuit of the almighty dollar like you are Dave. No way you would be a journalist for the Guardian you are Torygraph through and through. :)
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Play for the club i love and support for £30k, or play for a club i hate but earning £130k as a bit part player but winning medals?
£130k a week all day. I'd do a joe cole and come here around 32/33. Have 2 years, then fuck off out the country for good. I've got this all planned out. There's still time.
Really? In fact, how many players can we think of who have had serious opportunities and turned them down? Le Tissier at Southampton, maybe, but how many others?
Steve Bull springs to mind. Noone would have understood him if he'd have moved anywhere else in the country though!!
One of things about James Milner is that Man City and England are probably two of only a few teams in the country that don't often play with a three in midfield. I think the right side of a midfield three is a position that is absolutely made for him.
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Not everyone is driven by the pursuit of the almighty dollar like you are Dave. No way you would be a journalist for the Guardian you are Torygraph through and through. :)
Verbal warning.
On a slightly different note though, Chris Eubank said that the only reason professional boxers fight is for the money; if they did it for the love of the sport they'd stay amateur. I don't see that the vast majority of footballers think any different.
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Le Tissier played in an era when Southampton could pay him the type of money he would have got elsewhere for reasons that he was the big star and other players there would simply accept that he was paid more than the rest etc, and the scale was nothing like it is today. Now he would be a squad player in the top 4 earning 100 plus grand a week.
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Pretty sure there were rumblings of discontent this summer from him or probably his agent and as a player he hasn't improved and although supposition on my part I believe it is because of how little football he has played. If anything he has gone backwards, football moves on very quickly.
Maybe he's at the level best suited to him. I can't imagine any player who would swap his situation for playing 38 league games at Hull.
Wouldn't have to be Hull or that level though, he would get into every team in the prem apart from Man City and Chelsea week in and week out.
I'm not so sure, and even if he could get into Arsenal or Liverpool's team would that be worth the medals and knowing he was with the best club he could be at?
He is better than Henderson and Allen. Pretty sure Luckypool were rumoured to be in for him. Pretty sure it will all be decided this season as his contract is coming to an end. As previously stated he has gone backwards and could have been so much more playing every week though we will never know if the medals etc personally have made him happy. He always looked to me like he lived for football and playing the game every week.
I don't suppose we'll ever know what motivates him, but I would guess £130k a week is reason enough.
As someone else pointed out Dave, we make the mistake of looking at it as fans. If he left Man City there are probably a couple of teams that could afford to pay him that much, but they'd probably not be interested in him. Like Gareth Barry, he'd probably be looking at joining a team like Everton or Spurs who would probably be able to afford say £80k a week. That's over £2.5m a year he'd be leaving on the table and that's before any bonuses and Champions League money. That's the reality of it, sad as it is.
A number of players at Manchester United found themselves in that position over the years and they tended to wait until their early 30's before moving on.
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Not everyone is driven by the pursuit of the almighty dollar like you are Dave. No way you would be a journalist for the Guardian you are Torygraph through and through. :)
Verbal warning.
On a slightly different note though, Chris Eubank said that the only reason professional boxers fight is for the money; if they did it for the love of the sport they'd stay amateur. I don't see that the vast majority of footballers think any different.
Staying on that different note, I remember watching an episode of the boxing show Ringside with the two Hearns and Carl Froch. It was very apparent from the way they talked that boxing came very much second to business in that sport.
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Not everyone is driven by the pursuit of the almighty dollar like you are Dave. No way you would be a journalist for the Guardian you are Torygraph through and through. :)
Verbal warning.
On a slightly different note though, Chris Eubank said that the only reason professional boxers fight is for the money; if they did it for the love of the sport they'd stay amateur. I don't see that the vast majority of footballers think any different.
You're likely to know more than me but somewhere in the recesses of my mind I remember Eubank saying he never liked boxing and it was always a means to an end. Totally understandable opinion as he truly had some brutal wars. Football on the other hand to me at least is the dream job and I am sure it must be for the vast majority of footballers.
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The truth about Milner is we have far more attachment to him than he ever had to us. We provided him the perfect platform for his career. He was excellent and took advantage of the opportunity. To us he's the bird we should have married. Instead we got dumped. To him we're the university fling he was never going to stay with on his way bigger and better things. It's every bit a statement on our place in the game at this moment.
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Not everyone is driven by the pursuit of the almighty dollar like you are Dave. No way you would be a journalist for the Guardian you are Torygraph through and through. :)
Verbal warning.
On a slightly different note though, Chris Eubank said that the only reason professional boxers fight is for the money; if they did it for the love of the sport they'd stay amateur. I don't see that the vast majority of footballers think any different.
You're likely to know more than me but somewhere in the recesses of my mind I remember Eubank saying he never liked boxing and it was always a means to an end. Totally understandable opinion as he truly had some brutal wars. Football on the other hand to me at least is the dream job and I am sure it must be for the vast majority of footballers.
I think you've just used the key word - job. It's their job, it's what they've spent their whole lives striving towards. And now Milner is at what he probably considers to be the pinnacle of his profession. He earns as much as he possibly could, he wins as many trophies as he could and if he doesn't play in as many games as he might, that's not much of a drawback considering what else he's got going for his career.
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If Milner joined us tomorrow he'll likely play in less games than if he stayed as a bit-part player at Man City this season.
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If Milner joined us tomorrow he'll likely play in less games than if he stayed as a bit-part player at Man City this season.
That's possibly true, but he'd start more and he'd be central rather than a fringe player.
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The truth about Milner is we have far more attachment to him than he ever had to us. We provided him the perfect platform for his career. He was excellent and took advantage of the opportunity. To us he's the bird we should have married. Instead we got dumped. To him we're the university fling he was never going to stay with on his way bigger and better things. It's every bit a statement on our place in the game at this moment.
I think our status now would be much more the shitty poly that he got stuck with for a couple of years. Uni 4 years ago yes.
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Not everyone is driven by the pursuit of the almighty dollar like you are Dave. No way you would be a journalist for the Guardian you are Torygraph through and through. :)
Verbal warning.
On a slightly different note though, Chris Eubank said that the only reason professional boxers fight is for the money; if they did it for the love of the sport they'd stay amateur. I don't see that the vast majority of footballers think any different.
You're likely to know more than me but somewhere in the recesses of my mind I remember Eubank saying he never liked boxing and it was always a means to an end. Totally understandable opinion as he truly had some brutal wars. Football on the other hand to me at least is the dream job and I am sure it must be for the vast majority of footballers.
I think you've just used the key word - job. It's their job, it's what they've spent their whole lives striving towards. And now Milner is at what he probably considers to be the pinnacle of his profession. He earns as much as he possibly could, he wins as many trophies as he could and if he doesn't play in as many games as he might, that's not much of a drawback considering what else he's got going for his career.
There is also the thought that by not playing as many games as he might at this point, he may be able to extend his career.
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Couldnt't we like tempt him and Citeh by sharing the wages?
Like, we pay £10k a week, they pay the £120k. For the season.
Bargain.
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I like Jimmy a lot. But he isn't daft.
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Times may have changed him, but Milner is a famous teetotaller, early to bed guy. Someone who has worked very hard to become successful at his profession, not the most naturally gifted, he acknowledges that his career is likely to be short and he can do what he likes in 5 years time. Not all brickies love laying bricks they see it as a means to an end, why should a footballer be any different?
Anyhow, Cleverley...he's overrated, isn't he?
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Are we linked with Cleverley or Milner? Thought so. Any chance we can talk about the topic in hand.
Does anyone have any updates on talks/twists?
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Is it the law on H&V that every transfer topic is a road that ends in James Milner .
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#BringMilnerBack
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#LetItGoItsNotHappening
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Does the passage of time sine this story broke mean it's not going to happen before the deadline?
Personally I will be disappointed if we don't bring in at least one more player.
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Not everyone is driven by the pursuit of the almighty dollar like you are Dave. No way you would be a journalist for the Guardian you are Torygraph through and through. :)
Verbal warning.
On a slightly different note though, Chris Eubank said that the only reason professional boxers fight is for the money; if they did it for the love of the sport they'd stay amateur. I don't see that the vast majority of footballers think any different.
You're likely to know more than me but somewhere in the recesses of my mind I remember Eubank saying he never liked boxing and it was always a means to an end. Totally understandable opinion as he truly had some brutal wars. Football on the other hand to me at least is the dream job and I am sure it must be for the vast majority of footballers.
I think you've just used the key word - job. It's their job, it's what they've spent their whole lives striving towards. And now Milner is at what he probably considers to be the pinnacle of his profession. He earns as much as he possibly could, he wins as many trophies as he could and if he doesn't play in as many games as he might, that's not much of a drawback considering what else he's got going for his career.
That said, he does come across as the kind of player who wants to play in every game, like most footballers do i suppose. I think eventually he'll want to move on to get more game time.
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I am preparing myself to be disappointed as I don't think there will be any more signings ( but I hope I am wrong). The unbalanced nature of the EPL and the status of Villa probably means that no marque players will come due to the wage cap, lack of potential to play Champions League, the club being up for sale, restricted budget and the lack of success over the past 4 years. Plus I just think it is a particularly hard market to operate in and the pool we can fish in is made up of relative unknowns from either lower or foreign leagues, mercenaries looking for a final pay off or out of contract free transfers. Depressing, but to believe otherwise is being in denial of what our position is currently.
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#LetItGoItsNotHappening
I know. Others don't.
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So I take it Cleverley will not be paraded today at the Hull game?
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Say we don't get Cleverley who else is possible? I think he will sign because his options are limited but if he doesnt Lambert (or Keane) must have one back up plan at least.
Now I have got in a lot of trouble suggesting James Milner is a tremendous central midfielder better than former Villa greats but as we cannot hope to get him on loan who else can we expect to see step out on the hallowed turf of Villa Park
We are desperate for someone with pace who can cross a ball and are desperate for goals.
Benteke and Kozak are going to take time to reach a top level of performance and with our fixture list we could be in some trouble.
Much as I hate to say it Darren Bent appears to be shot and both Agbonlahor and Weimann are nowhere near what is required.
Assuming Lambert has money who could he get on loan?
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I think that the big picture, as viewed from VP is that British players are grossly overpriced. I strongly suspect that the fee and the wages for Cleverley will be a barrier to us ever signing him. In a way I shall not be sorry to see that happen because if the pain of 14 wins out of 46 at VP is to have any benefit at all, it is to make us more sensible with our money. If we are to get anybody else in before the window closes my guess is that it will be from Europe
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Much as I hate to say it Darren Bent appears to be shot and both Agbonlahor and Weimann are nowhere near what is required.
Spot on.
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Any footballer will take the opportunity to move 'up' and maximise their earnings/chances of winning medals. Good ones are bound to be confident of making an impression in better teams, having succeeded at every level previously.
For every time someone says 'Milner/Young/Barry had all they could want at Villa', the same could be said for Bale at Southampton or Spurs, or Suarez at Ajax and Liverpool. I think they owe it to themselves to at least try and achieve all they can and be as ambitious as possible, even though it can be upsetting for us fans, who have made our choice of club and will never be tempted away.
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#LetItGoItsNotHappening
I know. Others don't.
Keep the faith
#bringbackjimmymilner
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I think the notion of only British players being overpriced is challenged when you what Manu have just paid for Tia Maria. Very good player and all that but you could buy Cleverley 8 times for the money.
There is no scientific basis to it, numbers seem to be derived by some sort of football Voodoo.
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£50m for David Luiz was also silly money.
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Yes I agree with you both Chris and Clamps but my own feeling is that indigenous players are considered a "safer" bet. Speak the language, get tabloid coverage, know the social ropes, in the phone banks of the journalists. If they were racehorses they would be referred to as "talking horses".
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To pay that much money for someone whose defensive skills rival Nathan Baker's is patently ridiculous. Luiz, however, knows how to attack the opposition defence and is very entertaining.
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Good job they negotiated the fee for Luiz before not after the WC. Can't stay and chat lads, I have to drag my weary old bones many a mile between now and 1.30.
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Could go either way on Cleverly. At Man Utd I think he has been found out, but then working at the level Wigan were at he looked good, and could do a job for us. If Delph's form carries on, and Sancez proves a good signing I don't know if Cleverly would offer us too much different. Could just be a solid ball player maybe?
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Well I just watched the transfer bit on SSN and he didn't get a mention,
so if the know it all sky people arnt saying anything I don't reckon it will happen
Also Natalie Sawyer is very beautiful
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she's stunning.
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Well I just watched the transfer bit on SSN and he didn't get a mention,
so if the know it all sky people arnt saying anything I don't reckon it will happen
Also Natalie Sawyer is very beautiful
They never know much about Villa transfers. I think, to move on, the story is just waiting for a yes or no from Cleverly.
Kate Abdo is the fittest one on there at the moment, closely followed by Olivia Godfrey. But all bets are off when Millie Clode gets back from maternity leave, especially if she's had a visit from the tit fairy.
And to think I put The Female Eunuch as one of my favourite books.
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Well I just watched the transfer bit on SSN and he didn't get a mention,
so if the know it all sky people arnt saying anything I don't reckon it will happen
Also Natalie Sawyer is very beautiful
YES! Good to see I am not the only one. She is a true beauty! Also think Milie is pretty cute in a English rose/shy girl next door kind of way. Have not kept up with the new recruits, don't watch SSN because if I did I wouldn't have a soical life.
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Do they ever employ munters? Do Sky comply with discrimination laws with employment? Sawyer is my favourite.
I reckon he'll sign for us by the end of Monday. I can only see Everton trumping us but if he wants to play regularly then he shouldn't rock up to goodison.
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Well I just watched the transfer bit on SSN and he didn't get a mention,
so if the know it all sky people arnt saying anything I don't reckon it will happen
Also Natalie Sawyer is very beautiful
she is lovely and I reckon he's joining tomorrow.
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Well I just watched the transfer bit on SSN and he didn't get a mention,
so if the know it all sky people arnt saying anything I don't reckon it will happen
Also Natalie Sawyer is very beautiful
she is lovely and I reckon he's joining tomorrow.
I hope your right. If we can strengthen now with quality players on the back of this first half we're going to surprise quite a few people.
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Kate Riley seems to be the Millie Clode replacement.
Charlotte Jackson's gorgeous too. Chris Coleman's a lucky bastard.
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Charlotte Jacksons's preggers isn't she? Sure I saw a pic of that somewhere.
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Charlotte Jacksons's preggers isn't she? Sure I saw a pic of that somewhere.
I think she is. I had to cross her off my list of things to do recently. She'd dead to me.
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Olivia something?
Anyhow, Charlotte Jackson always seems to have herself in the lads mags. Nice arse.
Any news on Cleverley?
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I thought we were passing time until there was news about Cleverley. In which case, yes CJ is pregnant - Chris Coleman's the father hence me calling him a lucky bastard. Haven't seen Charlie Webster for a while on there.
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Olivia Wayne.
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Heard today that it's not going to happen.
Apparently he wants to weigh up his options.
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Heard today that it's not going to happen.
Apparently he wants to weigh up his options.
He's got the option of staying with a team struggling in 14th or move to a top three side. Not rocket science is it ;-)
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Heard today that it's not going to happen.
Apparently he wants to weigh up his options.
Why am I not surprised .
#bell end
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Heard today that it's not going to happen.
Apparently he wants to weigh up his options.
He's got the option of staying with a team struggling in 14th or move to a top three side. Not rocket science is it ;-)
;D
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It wouldn't surprise me knowing the arrogance of Man United players. He's probably in denial and thinks he can still prove himself at United or he thinks he can do better. If that's the case he can fuck off and hopefully we have others lined up who can work out better.
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The concluding sentence of the Grauniad Match Report (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/31/aston-villa-hull-city-match-report-premier-league):
Neither Villa nor Hull, having had £8million bids for Tom Cleverley accepted by Manchester United, anticipate signing the former England player, as they have been put off by his wage demands.
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It wouldn't surprise me knowing the arrogance of Man United players. He's probably in denial and thinks he can still prove himself at United or he thinks he can do better. If that's the case he can fuck off and hopefully we have others lined up who can work out better.
Spot on.
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It wouldn't surprise me knowing the arrogance of Man United players. He's probably in denial and thinks he can still prove himself at United or he thinks he can do better. If that's the case he can fuck off and hopefully we have others lined up who can work out better.
To be honest, he would have improved united yesterday, they had one midfielder (Fletcher) and a load of attacking players.
Credit to Steve Bruce today, Realised his system wasn't working and changed back to a back four.
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It wouldn't surprise me knowing the arrogance of Man United players. He's probably in denial and thinks he can still prove himself at United or he thinks he can do better. If that's the case he can fuck off and hopefully we have others lined up who can work out better.
Spot on.
Not defending him - in fact a reflection on the modern player - but it might have more to do with sitting out the last year of his contract on high wages before moving on .... to possibly be paid more. The difference between what he is on and what we might offer, is likely to be more than a million over the season.
Still might happen though as ManUre really need to move some players on and ease their wage bill as (I imagine) they are having to pay top dollar in fees and wages given their current predicament - something I hope all are enjoying as much as me.
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Surely you would sound him out via his agent, to establish if he's interested and his wage demands before you bid?
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Surely you would sound him out via his agent, to establish if he's interested and his wage demands before you bid?
This is what I heard Barry Silkman say on SSN the other day. All interested parties would have been in touch with his agent to see what terms he would be looking for prior to making any bid. There would be no point in bidding if you can't meet personal terms.
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Sounds as if the player was hoping for a bidding war on his salary and neither Villa nor Everton obliged.
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Lambert said exactly the same things about Sanchez though, then he signed the next day. Will soon find out soon enough
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Stay where you are, Tom. Much better playing in the stiffs at Rochdale I'm sure. Please don't do us a favour whatever you do.
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Hope Steve Bruce and Paul Lambert had a discussion about Tom to make sure he don't get big contract ;)
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It wouldn't surprise me knowing the arrogance of Man United players. He's probably in denial and thinks he can still prove himself at United or he thinks he can do better. If that's the case he can fuck off and hopefully we have others lined up who can work out better.
I would hope that all our squad players have the same attitude.
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Our Twitterbollocks friend Incog reckon he's signed
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Our Twitterbollocks friend Incog reckon he's signed
Fucking gloryhunter (winky thing)
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Our Twitterbollocks friend Incog reckon he's signed
Hopefully this is not Twitterbollocks
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Well most other posts on him seem to indicate that he has demanded way too much and it is not going to happen.
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Telegraph - deal is in the balance due to him asking for 60k a week.
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Telegraph - deal is in the balance due to him asking for 60k a week.
Way way too much. Not a player we should be breaking our current policy by so much for
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Telegraph - deal is in the balance due to him asking for 60k a week.
Way way too much. Not a player we should be breaking our current policy by so much for
We couldn't afford it even if he was worth it.
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There's no way i'd be paying him £60k.
There must be others available you'd have thought, especially if we look abroad
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If it is £8m fee and £60K a week to sign him, then I wouldn't be hanging up the phone to his agent fast enough.
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It's funny being on the other end of a bomb squad situation.
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Yep that'd be far far too much. Cleverley needs to think carefully about where he wants his career to go.
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Yep that'd be far far too much. Cleverley needs to think carefully about where he wants his career to go.
But "seeing out a big contract with Man Utd and then signing for another club on a free transfer in 12 months" isn't really akin to Hobson's Choice is it?
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Yes it's up to him. He can carry on drawing his wage at manure and become a forgotten man or play every week in the premier league and win back his England place.
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Yes it's up to him. He can carry on drawing his wage at manure and become a forgotten man or play every week in the premier league and win back his England place.
Why would it matter to him whether he signs for Villa or Hull now or in 12 months time, presumably with a bigger signing on fee?
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I thought he would not want to waste 12 months of a short footballing life but there we are...
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Yes it's up to him. He can carry on drawing his wage at manure and become a forgotten man or play every week in the premier league and win back his England place.
Why would it matter to him whether he signs for Villa or Hull now or in 12 months time, presumably with a bigger signing on fee?
It would mean a year in the wilderness when Gerrard and Lampard have just retired from international football. Personally, I would be thinking about regular first team football and proving myself with the ambition of nailing one of those England places down. £40k/week is still a lot of money and still allows for the potential for those ambitions to be fulfilled. Sadly too many young (and often English) players are thinking solely in terms of £ signs and neglecting everything else. I can't blame him for trying to negotiate the best deal for himself but think about the priorities. If he came here on £40k/week, proved himself and became an England regular he would be in a position to negotiate a £60k/week contract either with us or somebody else.
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If he's got an iota of desire to play regularly I suspect we'll get him. If not then he's not for us anyway.
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Thing is we are making a lot of assumptions based on very little information. It's all speculation and none of it could be true. Let's see how tomorrow plays out. He's been told he can leave so I'm sure he is spending tonight considering all his options as he should be. This will be a big move for him considering he's been at Man U since a schoolboy.
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Guardian reckon if he goes Valencia are favourites.
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Guardian reckon if he goes Valencia are favourites.
Bookies reckon us.
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If he goes anywhere I'd still back us to get him.
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Guardian reckon if he goes Valencia are favourites.
Doubt a move to Valencia would give him a leg up to get back in the England squad. With Gerrard and Lamps gone, he'd be silly to not rebuild his reputation in the Prem.
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I doubt Valencia are in a position to pay him more than us.
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Guardian reckon if he goes Valencia are favourites.
Doubt a move to Valencia would give him a leg up to get back in the England squad. With Gerrard and Lamps gone, he'd be silly to not rebuild his reputation in the Prem.
As much as I want him to sign I think more English players should try playing in Europe. I'm sure if more did the National side would improve too and Roy or any English manager would be aware of what players are playing abroad.
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Bloke two seats away from me said he saw him outside the ground yesterday.
Radio 4 this morning reckon we are favourites to sign him.
There's some ITK for you from two great sources; a slightly mad drunkard who only watches 70 minutes of the game and the posh people on the radio. You heard it here first.
Now, where's the banner...
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Few people on twitter said he was at the game too. He surely wants to sit out his last year and move on a Bosman though so I can't see it happening.
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If it is £8m fee and £60K a week to sign him, then I wouldn't be hanging up the phone to his agent fast enough.
I read yesterday that Villa had agreed £7m and that both Villa and United would pay the player £1m each as a way of paying up his United contract.
Players should know that these days if they sign a contract for £x per week now, that in 12 months they can renegotiate it up if they are playing well, otherwise they can then push for a transfer. I do not like it but that is the way it is.
I do not believe he is on £75k a week at United as reported, probably nearer £60k. I would say that £50k would probably be the going rate for him. We should be offering £45-50k a week with a review in 12 months.
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There's no way i'd be paying him £60k.
There must be others available you'd have thought, especially if we look abroad
He probably doesnt want to come to Villa Park. Possibly thinks 'a bigger club' is going to come in for his limited talents.
He may be sadly deluded if that is the case. Offer him 45-50 at the most but have a back up plan ready if he hasnt put pen to paper by 11.00 this morning.
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If it is £8m fee and £60K a week to sign him, then I wouldn't be hanging up the phone to his agent fast enough.
I read yesterday that Villa had agreed £7m and that both Villa and United would pay the player £1m each as a way of paying up his United contract.
Players should know that these days if they sign a contract for £x per week now, that in 12 months they can renegotiate it up if they are playing well, otherwise they can then push for a transfer. I do not like it but that is the way it is.
I do not believe he is on £75k a week at United as reported, probably nearer £60k. I would say that £50k would probably be the going rate for him. We should be offering £45-50k a week with a review in 12 months.
And that is all well and good as long as Delph is getting the same sort of offer.
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Cleverley was one of their lowest paid players at £30k p/w.
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From the BBC sent in by some punter
Scott in Stoke: My sources from Stoke have just informed me Cleverley is on his way to the Britannia to finalise a season long loan.
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These "I saw him at the ground" claims always amuse me. Maybe I just can't remember faces but be honest if he walked past you on the Ramp in town, would anyone really recognise him?
Mind you I could say that about half our team from the last few seasons!
More likely he had his feet up in his Cheshire mansion with his WAG and newly born kid.
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This is from Murphy
"Tom Cleverley won't be joining Aston Villa from Manchester United today unless his agent reduces his wage demands. Villa manager Paul Lambert met Cleverley, and the player is keen on the move having been guaranteed first-team football. But Lambert has no intention of offering Cleverley more pay than the likes Ron Vlaar and Christian Benteke. One player on his way out is Karim El Ahmadi, who's returning to his former club Feyenoord, after two seasons with Villa."
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On the basis his agent works for him rather than the other way round, if he is really "keen on the move" surely he should just tell his agent to do it.
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These "I saw him at the ground" claims always amuse me. Maybe I just can't remember faces but be honest if he walked past you on the Ramp in town, would anyone really recognise him?
The Scottish Messi was definitely at the Orient game, I saw him in the car park. Make of that what you will.
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These "I saw him at the ground" claims always amuse me. Maybe I just can't remember faces but be honest if he walked past you on the Ramp in town, would anyone really recognise him?
The Scottish Messi was definitely at the Orient game, I saw him in the car park. Make of that what you will.
Catching up with old team mates?
Isn't he supposed to be mates with Clark and Herd?
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And why would a player be headed to the ground anyway?
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Well he's got the choice hasn't he, if he really wants first team football he'll come if he's more interested in money he won't. However we should have an alternative lined up.
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From the BBC sent in by some punter
Scott in Stoke: My sources from Stoke have just informed me Cleverley is on his way to the Britannia to finalise a season long loan.
I hate to say it. But that would be a logical move for him. First team football, can play out his contract, and presumably much closer to where he lives.
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These "I saw him at the ground" claims always amuse me. Maybe I just can't remember faces but be honest if he walked past you on the Ramp in town, would anyone really recognise him?
Palace were at Walsall the night before, so he may have had a sleep over.
The Scottish Messi was definitely at the Orient game, I saw him in the car park. Make of that what you will.
Catching up with old team mates?
Isn't he supposed to be mates with Clark and Herd?
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The weekend media also had Everton as being interested in Cleverley. If this is accurate, I'd have thought it was a lot more likely he'd go there, (wages being agreeable), as they are in the North West and probably going to finish in the top 8.
Personally, I think he's over rated and not as good as he thinks he is or for that matter, LVG ;D
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From the BBC sent in by some punter
Scott in Stoke: My sources from Stoke have just informed me Cleverley is on his way to the Britannia to finalise a season long loan.
I hate to say it. But that would be a logical move for him. First team football, can play out his contract, and presumably much closer to where he lives.
I don't think 40 odd miles qualifies as being much closer to anywhere from Manchester and its environs.
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Little bit surprised we haven't considered Nick Powell as a plan B.
We signed Westwood about the same time as they got him, and he hasn't done too badly.
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Talk of him ending up on loan at Everton is growing. Would mean United would lose a huge amount on the fee but doubt they care.
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Talk of him ending up on loan at Everton is growing. Would mean United would lose a huge amount on the fee but doubt they care.
I just hope we have a good alternative.
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From the BBC sent in by some punter
Scott in Stoke: My sources from Stoke have just informed me Cleverley is on his way to the Britannia to finalise a season long loan.
I hate to say it. But that would be a logical move for him. First team football, can play out his contract, and presumably much closer to where he lives.
I don't think 40 odd miles qualifies as being much closer to anywhere from Manchester and its environs.
40 miles from the Manchester boundary would probably take you to Inverness.
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From the BBC sent in by some punter
Scott in Stoke: My sources from Stoke have just informed me Cleverley is on his way to the Britannia to finalise a season long loan.
I hate to say it. But that would be a logical move for him. First team football, can play out his contract, and presumably much closer to where he lives.
I don't think 40 odd miles qualifies as being much closer to anywhere from Manchester and its environs.
40 miles from the Manchester boundary would probably take you to Inverness.
Only if you come from machester or read The Guardian.
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Holding out for a move to Everton apparently, so I hope we have an alternative option.
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Holding out for a move to Everton apparently, so I hope we have an alternative option.
Spearing
Maybe puncheon
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Spearing better not be true. If we have £7/8 million to spend we can do a lot better I imagine.
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Can we bin this thread off now? Or rename it Sergio Canales...?
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Yeah, forget TC23. Canales is the future.
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If this wanker still hasn't made up his mind then fuck him.
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If this wanker still hasn't made up his mind then fuck him.
Fuck him regardless
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Interesting that Pat Murphy reported that the Canales offer was not linked to Cleverley - ie we would take both
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I seem to have missed something regarding Canales, anyone care to enlighten me?
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I seem to have missed something regarding Canales, anyone care to enlighten me?
Check out the transfer speculation thread. It's on there. But apparently we have made a bid. That's as much info as is out there.
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I seem to have missed something regarding Canales, anyone care to enlighten me?
It's here, Dave.. http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=51561.0
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Interesting that Pat Murphy reported that the Canales offer was not linked to Cleverley - ie we would take both
I dont think he said that. I think the implication was the Cleverley deal was not dead, but that Villa were exploring plan B.
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Interesting that Pat Murphy reported that the Canales offer was not linked to Cleverley - ie we would take both
I dont think he said that. I think the implication was the Cleverley deal was not dead, but that Villa were exploring plan B.
Don't bother, he's fucking shit. I mean, either rap or sing, don't do both really badly.
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Poll
Cleverly 8 million
Canales 3 million
Which one ?
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Poll
Cleverly 8 million
Canales 3 million
Which one ?
Well certainly not Graham Poll.
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Poll
Cleverly 8 million
Canales 3 million
Which one ?
Well certainly not Graham Poll.
:)
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Poll
Cleverly 8 million
Canales 3 million
Which one ?
What would be shit is if don't end up with either
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I'd rather have nowt than TC23
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Thanks all for the Canales update. I've caught up now.
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Poll
Cleverly 8 million
Canales 3 million
Which one ?
What would be shit is if don't end up with either
Yes especially spearing
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Crikey. Remember Graham Poll that used to post on here?
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How could we forget?
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legion, theres a mark Shreve gig coming up ;)
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I've read that a loan deal taking Cleverley to Everton is going through. To be honest, I'm not disappointed, but he never wanted to come to Villa in the first place, so they're welcome to him.
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I've read that a loan deal taking Cleverley to Everton is going through. To be honest, I'm not disappointed, but he never wanted to come to Villa in the first place, so they're welcome to him.
Strange move really if he wants first team football given they already have GB, Pienaar and McCarthy well established with Barkley to return by November
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I've read that a loan deal taking Cleverley to Everton is going through. To be honest, I'm not disappointed, but he never wanted to come to Villa in the first place, so they're welcome to him.
Strange move really if he wants first team football given they already have GB, Pienaar and McCarthy well established with Barkley to return by November
Quite what I was thinking, actually. Everton are becoming like Spuds - they have a surplus of delicate, tricksy attacking talent (plus a big unit up front) but should really be trying to buy or loan defenders.
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So United will get about a million loan fee then and then he will sign for Everton on a free.
Very canny from Martinez. Cleverley will make a fortune and United who bought him through get shafted despite offering him a 4 year deal 6 weeks ago.
I may be the only one, but I hope his form and career continue on their current, fairly shitty trajectory.
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I've read that a loan deal taking Cleverley to Everton is going through. To be honest, I'm not disappointed, but he never wanted to come to Villa in the first place, so they're welcome to him.
Strange move really if he wants first team football given they already have GB, Pienaar and McCarthy well established with Barkley to return by November
I'd say it's the best place for him, working with a manager that can (once again) get the best out of him.
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agreed he was never committed to us in any way so fuck him
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Has he gone then?
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Yeah I agree, I don't go with this he's looking at all his options thing,
If he doesn't want to come for whatever reason, might be good reasons, but if he doesn't fancy it at villa, then if don't want him
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Has he gone then?
Got to know before I say whether he is white or good
Shite I meant, kin android
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I've read that a loan deal taking Cleverley to Everton is going through. To be honest, I'm not disappointed, but he never wanted to come to Villa in the first place, so they're welcome to him.
Strange move really if he wants first team football given they already have GB, Pienaar and McCarthy well established with Barkley to return by November
I'd say it's the best place for him, working with a manager that can (once again) get the best out of him.
If he gets a game, I'd agree with you. But I wouldn't play Cleverley over any of the midfielders Martinez has at his disposal. Seems like a waste of time for all parties to me.
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I've read that a loan deal taking Cleverley to Everton is going through. To be honest, I'm not disappointed, but he never wanted to come to Villa in the first place, so they're welcome to him.
Strange move really if he wants first team football given they already have GB, Pienaar and McCarthy well established with Barkley to return by November
I'd say it's the best place for him, working with a manager that can (once again) get the best out of him.
If he gets a game, I'd agree with you. But I wouldn't play Cleverley over any of the midfielders Martinez has at his disposal. Seems like a waste of time for all parties to me.
Yeah but we don't give a fuck because it's Everton
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So United will get about a million loan fee then and then he will sign for Everton on a free.
Very canny from Martinez. Cleverley will make a fortune and United who bought him through get shafted despite offering him a 4 year deal 6 weeks ago.
I may be the only one, but I hope his form and career continue on their current, fairly shitty trajectory.
And Bradford City also get shafted as they have a 10 per cent sell on clause when/ if Man U sell.
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Manure will be desperate for him to go villa
We should have just bid 2 million
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I don't begrudge Cleverley going to Everton at all.
Think about it logically, he'll get games there with Barkley injured, he knows their manager from Wigan and given he's just become a Dad he dosen't have to move house which would be important to him I'd imagine. Oh yeah and Everton are a much stronger bet than we are to finish top 6.
Can people think of one reason why you'd choose Villa over Everton at this point?
It's probably easier to write that post when I wasn't really fussed when we were first linked to him.
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I don't blame him at all.
The not moving house thing alone makes them more attractive.
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I don't begrudge Cleverley going to Everton at all.
Think about it logically, he'll get games there with Barkley injured, he knows their manager from Wigan and given he's just become a Dad he dosen't have to move house which would be important to him I'd imagine. Oh yeah and Everton are a much stronger bet than we are to finish top 6.
Can people think of one reason why you'd choose Villa over Everton at this point?
It's probably easier to write that post when I wasn't really fussed when we were first linked to him.
I think that makes perfect sense. When Man U made the player available it would have been circulated to all clubs. We had a bid accepted but it didn't guarantee a thing other than player now knew he had another option. Naturally other clubs were going to come in but ultimately been under contract he didn't have to leave. He took the best option for himself and his family and in a years time he can choose to extend at Everton (as Barry did) or become a free agent.
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I've read that a loan deal taking Cleverley to Everton is going through. To be honest, I'm not disappointed, but he never wanted to come to Villa in the first place, so they're welcome to him.
Strange move really if he wants first team football given they already have GB, Pienaar and McCarthy well established with Barkley to return by November
Quite what I was thinking, actually. Everton are becoming like Spuds - they have a surplus of delicate, tricksy attacking talent (plus a big unit up front) but should really be trying to buy or loan defenders.
Pienaar dosen't play centrally. Barkley was out until xmas I thought. He will start for them.
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Pat Murphy saying on BBC 5 Live that Cleverley,s Agent is holding out for 80 Grand a week and Villa are adamant they are offering much , much less than that , my guess is around the 40 Grand mark .......................Godzvilla !
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I've read that a loan deal taking Cleverley to Everton is going through. To be honest, I'm not disappointed, but he never wanted to come to Villa in the first place, so they're welcome to him.
Strange move really if he wants first team football given they already have GB, Pienaar and McCarthy well established with Barkley to return by November
Quite what I was thinking, actually. Everton are becoming like Spuds - they have a surplus of delicate, tricksy attacking talent (plus a big unit up front) but should really be trying to buy or loan defenders.
Pienaar dosen't play centrally. Barkley was out until xmas I thought. He will start for them.
Well being the petty git I am, I hope he is a bag of spanners for them.
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Let's just say that Pat Murphy is right and he does want 80k a week, would Everton pay him that much?
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Let's just say that Pat Murphy is right and he does want 80k a week, would Everton pay him that much?
That's what I was thinking and especially as everyone knows they are skint and for sale. If they do sign him they'll have for Man U to pay for a chunk of his salary you'd have thought.
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Everton seem to have some sort of link with manu. Plenty of deals between them over the years.
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Let's just say that Pat Murphy is right and he does want 80k a week, would Everton pay him that much?
I wouldn't have thought so. He's a great addition but not at that cost, Surely after the last few years he needs to earn that sort of demand first. I don't believe that's the true figure at all.
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If he goes on loan to Everton, Everton would just take over his Man United wages whatever they are. He wouldn't be in a position to negotiate a higher rate.
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Everton seem to have some sort of link with manu. Plenty of deals between them over the years.
That might not hold true just at the moment. Everton are their rivals for 4th spot
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I've read that a loan deal taking Cleverley to Everton is going through. To be honest, I'm not disappointed, but he never wanted to come to Villa in the first place, so they're welcome to him.
Strange move really if he wants first team football given they already have GB, Pienaar and McCarthy well established with Barkley to return by November
Quite what I was thinking, actually. Everton are becoming like Spuds - they have a surplus of delicate, tricksy attacking talent (plus a big unit up front) but should really be trying to buy or loan defenders.
Pienaar dosen't play centrally. Barkley was out until xmas I thought. He will start for them.
Well being the petty git I am, I hope he is a bag of spanners for them.
He is nowhere near as good as Barkley so Everton will regress this season with their defence conceding 10 already.
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Stan reporting this deal is off, so I hope plan B or C is on.
Shame, I thought he could regain his form for us. If he does not want to come, probably for the best though.
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If he does sign for Everton, I bet it's for far less than 80k per week. That was just his way of refusing to come to VP.
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Daily Mail
Laurie Whitwell reports: 'Aston Villa have pulled out of any bid to sign Tom Cleverley. It is safe to be said they are not happy at proceedings today.'
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Will be disappointed if we don't add one or two more players.
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Well done Tom, you've just made an enemy of Roy Keane.
You one-trick gimp.
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Well in that case I hope he dies.
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Not worth the wages he was after I'm afraid. Not sure what world the likes of him and Borini live in when they try to hold clubs to ransom.
Sounds like Cleverley and his agent have pissed us about to draw Everton out. Good riddance.
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Will be disappointed if we don't add one or two more players.
I think you will be disappointed then!
Shame given our decent start to the season and the signings we have made seemingly better than we had hoped.
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I'm starting a petition.:
Dear F.A members, please do not let the England manager pick Tom Cleverly. He's crap, he spells his name incorrectly and he loves Brian Clough.
The following signatures demonstrate the national support of this:
Malandro
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Will be disappointed if we don't add one or two more players.
I think you will be disappointed then!
Shame given our decent start to the season and the signings we have made seemingly better than we had hoped.
Seems like it. I didn't want TC23 but had hoped we would get someone else in. Disappointed Canales has said no as well but can't say I blame him tbh.
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Cleverley has shot himself in the foot if he was trying to hold us and Everton to ransom.
We've pulled out now, so Everton won't have to pay him the earth.
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Cleverley has shot himself in the foot if he was trying to hold us and Everton to ransom.
We've pulled out now, so Everton won't have to pay him the earth.
he's probably got an agreement with Everton and they are just forcing Man u's hand
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He will go for nothIng next year and so the £8m fee will be incorporated into his wages.
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Not worth the wages he was after I'm afraid. Not sure what world the likes of him and Borini live in when they try to hold clubs to ransom.
Sounds like Cleverley and his agent have pissed us about to draw Everton out. Good riddance.
Borini is bizarre. His fee is only £2m less than Wellback who at least has a track record to speak of
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Will be disappointed if we don't add one or two more players.
I think you will be disappointed then!
I agree I'm afraid. That's your lot.
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Yeah it's been a pretty poor show today in the end, we sold a midfielder and haven't even replaced him.
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Yeah it's been a pretty poor show today in the end, we sold a midfielder and haven't even replaced him.
we sold a midfielder that wasn't playing and when he did people didn't want him to. No point having a player around just to be a body.
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Yeah it's been a pretty poor show today in the end, we sold a midfielder and haven't even replaced him.
we sold a midfielder that wasn't playing and when he did people didn't want him to. No point having a player around just to be a body.
Given that we have pretty limited central midfield options in his position, I don't think we were in the position not to replace him.
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so tommy's a real tanker
give a fook
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I hope the Everton 'deal' collapses and he spends the rest of the season sitting on his arse. He will end up somewhere shit like West Ham
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He's not going to Everton. Let's hope he rots.
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Tom Cleverley.
The hard working man's Stephen Ireland. Go see out your days playing second fiddle in your own postcode.
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Enjoy playing for the reserves at Bury next week Tom. You could have been settling into your new digs and possibly lining up against Liverpool after the break. Fool.
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Has it fell through? Oh joy...
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Sounds like he needs another re-brand. The prick
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The fact that he couldn't agree a deal with one of two big clubs where he would have been a regular starter is strange.
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Yep glad he's not coming tbh, primarily because he's not good enough but even more so when you throw those wage demands in.
If its in any way stuffed up other targets then we've been predictably nieve - if that's what's happened.
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The fact that he couldn't agree a deal with one of two big clubs where he would have been a regular starter is strange.
and here's the thing, come the summer when he gets released by Man U, clubs will know that he's a prick (along with his agent). It won't help his negotiating position at all. Reference Tom Ince as evidence of that. At a certain point you need to accept your place in the game and build from that. These were good opportunities to get back playing at a high level and he turned them all down.
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Enjoy your gap year Tom
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He just hasn't played this very Cleverley. I expect that's not the first time for that one?
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Does anyone know why it has taken right up until the last few hours for us and Everton to find out what his wage demands were? I mean... isn't that the sort of thing you need to know about, more or less, right at the start of negotiations?
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Footballer in brain fail shock.
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Can we lock this thread? A bit like Tom's career in fact
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Can the thread be nuked ?
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He needs to get himself a new agent. This one has advised him very poorly.
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He needs to get himself a new agent. This one has advised him very poorly.
For such an over rated player I'd say he's doing quite well. Blag merchant .
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*Maybe* he just wants to stay at Man U and try to force his way into the team? It's not like they're doing particularly well at the moment.
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Does anyone know why it has taken right up until the last few hours for us and Everton to find out what his wage demands were? I mean... isn't that the sort of thing you need to know about, more or less, right at the start of negotiations?
Others have said that, but I'm inclined to think with Villa letting slip that Cleverley is not their favourite bloke right now, that his wage demands shot up after a deal had been thrashed out.
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Won't be losing too much sleep over this one. Clearly thinks he's better than he is. Have fun sitting on your arse this season fella.
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Well Tom, enjoy the ManUre reserves...and enjoy your cash...maybe in Jan you can get a move if you drop your demands. Perhaps a new agent? But you will be doing f*ck all for the next few months at least.
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Does anyone know why it has taken right up until the last few hours for us and Everton to find out what his wage demands were? I mean... isn't that the sort of thing you need to know about, more or less, right at the start of negotiations?
I thought the suggestion was that he tried to engineer a move to Everton, but they didn't want to buy and Man U were holding out for a permanent deal
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Looks like he values cash rather than making a name for himself as a footballer. Knobhead.
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Looks like he values cash rather than making a name for himself as a footballer. Knobhead.
We really have scrapped the 'young and hungry' approach. In his case, it's 'ageing and bloated'.
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I think it is a blessing in disguise that we are not signing Cleverley ,at 8 million he was way over priced
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No thread should be started unless it's virtually a done deal, IMO.
Good riddance to this Stephen Ireland Mark II chancer though.
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Just seen this in one of the streams -
'The plot thickens surrounding the collapse of Tom Cleverley’s move from Everton to Manchester United.
'Old Trafford sources claim that Cleverley travelled to Merseyside after Everton had a £7.5m bid accepted but the club then made an unsuccessful attempt to knock United down to £5m.
'The three parties have less than half an hour to revive the deal or Cleverley, who was made to train with the reserves last week, faces the prospect of an unhappy few months."
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Oh dear. What a pity. Never mind,
Daily Mail:
Everton tried to knock down Cleverley price having had £7.5m bid accepted
Chris Wheeler reports: 'The plot thickens surrounding the collapse of Tom Cleverley’s move from Everton to Manchester United.
'Old Trafford sources claim that Cleverley travelled to Merseyside after Everton had a £7.5m bid accepted but the club then made an unsuccessful attempt to knock United down to £5m.
'The three parties have less than half an hour to revive the deal or Cleverley, who was made to train with the reserves last week, faces the prospect of an unhappy few months.'
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Poor tom......... Cnut
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If I was LVG I would put him on the bench for the match at Vila Park and then bring him on for last 5 minutes to let him take the stick and after the match say "that's for losing us £8m and having to pay your wages for a year, you c***".
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If I was LVG I would put him on the bench for the match at Vila Park and then bring him on for last 5 minutes to let him take the stick and after the match say "that's for losing us £8m and having to pay your wages for a year, you c***".
We'd all have left by then after Phil Jones completed his hattrick in the 80th minute for their 3-0 win.
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If I was LVG I would put him on the bench for the match at Vila Park and then bring him on for last 5 minutes to let him take the stick and after the match say "that's for losing us £8m and having to pay your wages for a year, you c***".
We'd all have left by then after Phil Jones completed his hattrick in the 80th minute for their 3-0 win.
Are you fickle or what! So O'Leary was right about you!! Take it like a true supporter and stay until the final whistle.
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Can those who were jizzing over him signing now see the error in their ways . He's a 100% bell
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Can those who were jizzing over him signing now see the error in their ways . He's a 100% bell
and who were those people exactly? I can point out those who were miserable at the very thought of it. In fact, probably most of the same people who are radically miserable about everything.
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So tonight we learnt that TC23 is a complete and utter cock stain.
Shall we lock this one down to hopefully never be seen again?
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So tonight we learnt that TC23 is a complete and utter cock stain.
Shall we lock this one down to hopefully never be seen again?
I say we nuke it.
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F#ck him! I hope he rots in Man Utd's reserves.
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How very dare he decide to see his mutually agreed contract out!
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It's not like any of us were desparate for the bloke to sign anyway.
Just leaves us short on numbers.
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It's not like any of us were desparate for the bloke to sign anyway.
Anyone with a brain wasn't.
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It's not like any of us were desparate for the bloke to sign anyway.
Just leaves us short on numbers.
Not really numbers we want. A bit of creative quality is what we need.
We can recall Gardner, use Herd and Clark if we only need numbers.
Old King Cole will save the day!
or the first 15 minutes of it anyway!
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I wouldn't have minded if he had been keen to come and at least looked excited about the challenge
But like most others money is the most important thing to him, that and all that TC23 nonsense put me of him, so I'm glad we stayed away in the end
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It's not like any of us were desparate for the bloke to sign anyway.
Anyone with a brain wasn't.
I wanted him to sign, I thought he could restart his career and be our main man in midfield. He had the talent a while back. If he's winding down his contract that's up to him. He's a free man next summer and he's bound to play some games for Utd before the seasons up. Maybe though as I think this I have less of a brain than you, if thats the case, well done you.
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One small point is that if this fee of £7/8m is for him with only a year left, what would he cost with a few more years on his contract? Madness.
If we're going to push the boat out on both fee and wages, then it needs to be for a player who significantly improves us. Cleverley would have done so marginally at best.
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Cleverley has all the attributes I hate in a modern footballer. I am pleased he is not part of our club.
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It's not like any of us were desparate for the bloke to sign anyway.
Anyone with a brain wasn't.
I wanted him to sign, I thought he could restart his career and be our main man in midfield. He had the talent a while back. If he's winding down his contract that's up to him. He's a free man next summer and he's bound to play some games for Utd before the seasons up. Maybe though as I think this I have less of a brain than you, if thats the case, well done you.
Yep, another brainless moron here. How very silly of me to have a differing opinion to the majority.
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It's not like any of us were desparate for the bloke to sign anyway.
Anyone with a brain wasn't.
I thought you were against it?
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This thread was a big mistake. Apologies to all.
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Tweets from James Pearce...
James Pearce @Pearcesport · 11m
Cleverley maybe going to Villa after all. Villa came back VERY late when Everton collapsed. Season loan if Premier League accept paperwork
James Pearce @Pearcesport · 6m
Cleverley was still at Carrington at 2am trying to get the deal across line. Timings very tight though. Ball now in Premier League court
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*fishes TC23 bunting out of the bin*
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He'd be a good addition,
No he's an arrogant wanker,
No he'd be a good addition.
#modernfootball
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He's a good player that TC lad isn't he............
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Dodged bullet enters randomly placed steel U shaped pipe.
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Tweets from James Pearce...
James Pearce @Pearcesport · 11m
Cleverley maybe going to Villa after all. Villa came back VERY late when Everton collapsed. Season loan if Premier League accept paperwork
James Pearce @Pearcesport · 6m
Cleverley was still at Carrington at 2am trying to get the deal across line. Timings very tight though. Ball now in Premier League court
*some old shite about how he could actually be just what we need*
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It does kind of make a mockery of having a deadline if it's allowed to go through at this late stage but then again Everton have announced a loan deal this morning as well.
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Tweets from James Pearce...
James Pearce @Pearcesport · 11m
Cleverley maybe going to Villa after all. Villa came back VERY late when Everton collapsed. Season loan if Premier League accept paperwork
James Pearce @Pearcesport · 6m
Cleverley was still at Carrington at 2am trying to get the deal across line. Timings very tight though. Ball now in Premier League court
*some old shite about how he could actually be just what we need*
*some mealy-mouthed hypocrisy about modern football*
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We are not Arsenal so it will not be allowed
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We're doing an arsenal here
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This thread was a big mistake. Apologies to all.
Hold that thought...
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Mystery surrounds Tom Cleverley’s collapsed move from Man Utd (http://www.offthepost.info/blog/2014/09/mystery-surrounds-tom-cleverleys-collapsed-move-from-man-utd/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+offthepost%2FTLAa+%28Off+The+Post%29)
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We are not Arsenal so it will not be allowed
The fact that Utd will want it done as well may hold some sway.
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So is there any truth to all this?
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No one looks clever in this at all.
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Brendan McLoughlin who is based in the North West and used to be at the Express and Star if I remember correctly is also reporting it and he is normally quite reliable in his information so perhaps there is something in it. Strange how none of our local reporters seem to have picked up the scent if it is true.
Edit - now being reported on the Meaning Evil website as well, but only in a "reports claim" sort of way.
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http://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2014/9/2/6096265/aston-villa-tom-cleverley-transfer-manchester-united
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just like to say I always wanted him! I did not in fact want him to die
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He's a good player that TC lad isn't he............
I've always rated him ;)
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The hopeless romantic in me wants us to say "rules are rules" and walk away from any deal.
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John Percy from the Daily Telegraph:
John Percy @John__Percy
#avfc waiting for Premier League to agree Tom Cleverley's loan from #mufc, after late move last night. Would be loan until January if agreed
What does the Premier League look at in times like this? Either they've been notified of the requisite details by the deadline or they haven't.
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It's about time the Premier League for once stood up to Man United and tell them no.
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It's about time the Premier League for once stood up to Man United and tell them no.
what? they are the premier league
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The hopeless romantic in me wants us to say "rules are rules" and walk away from any deal.
I agree. After our wailing about Arsenal and Arshavin a few years back, it would be a bit hypocritical of us to expect the rules to be changed for us now.
They shouldn't have been bent then and they shouldn't be bent now.
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Brown envelopes changing hands to oil the wheels of the move ?
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Probably getting pictures at BH before its announced. What a mega signing if it happens. He could be the next Roy Keane
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Going out to get my haircut in a bit so can someone edit this post for me depending on what happens.
Great player.
Wanker, and shit player to boot.
Ta.
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John Percy from the Daily Telegraph:
John Percy @John__Percy
#avfc waiting for Premier League to agree Tom Cleverley's loan from #mufc, after late move last night. Would be loan until January if agreed
What does the Premier League look at in times like this? Either they've been notified of the requisite details by the deadline or they haven't.
The fax machine was out of paper/the fax machine was out of toner/there was a fault on the line/there was a power cut
(Delete as applicable).
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I'd rather we didn't, the guy clearly doesn't want to play for us hence why it all went to the wire in the first place.
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Someone needs to get that BLose fan back up to BMH for photos...
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Brown envelopes changing hands to oil the wheels of the move ?
No need for brown envelopes in Planet Premier League all the money is out there in front, there isn't a brown envelope big enough for this obscenely lucrative business. Mind you even I was a bit taken aback by Falcao reported wages of 440K per week to keep up with his tax free wedge from Monaco.
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I think we should take him on loan then stick him on the fucking bench for the duration.
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Going out to get my haircut in a bit so can someone edit this post for me depending on what happens.
Great player.
Wanker, and shit player to boot.
Ta.
Done it for you.
Great boot wanker.
Damn you predictive typing!
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Going out to get my haircut in a bit so can someone edit this post for me depending on what happens.
Paul Weller is a Wanker, and shit player to boot.
Ta.
Done.
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Going out to get my haircut in a bit so can someone edit this post for me depending on what happens.
Paul Weller is a Wanker, and shit player to boot.
Ta.
Done.
Dim-wit.
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I think Randy is just fucking with Legion, kept it quiet until he apologised and locked the thread
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Hope this goes through now. If Lambert and Keane think he can be of use and it's a low risk loan, then adding depth to our squad has to be a good thing. Right?
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Think we'll get the nod, Sky reckon we did put it in before the deadline. But they are late on the story and good at making stuff up
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he should be keelhauled and if he survives maybe let him play for us
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Hope this goes through now. If Lambert and Keane think he can be of use and it's a low risk loan, then adding depth to our squad has to be a good thing. Right?
My take on things. If he is successful then the risk around any fee is greatly reduced. We'd know soon enough whether he'd be worth the money involved.
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Just as I was thinking that he was the winner of the Odemwingie Award for being last day tool of the window. I come on here and find that it's all still up in the air.
So I'll withhold the award just in case a photo of him holding a Claret And Blue shirt up and looking like the happiest man on the planet appears.
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I'd rather we didn't, the guy clearly doesn't want to play for us hence why it all went to the wire in the first place.
Players only want to play with who pays the most so I wouldn't be bringing feelings of rejection into this. There's enough of it in our personal lives, right?
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What a cheeky little fucker,but if he can be like that on the pitch welcome to VP.
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Hope this goes through now. If Lambert and Keane think he can be of use and it's a low risk loan, then adding depth to our squad has to be a good thing. Right?
My take on things. If he is successful then the risk around any fee is greatly reduced. We'd know soon enough whether he'd be worth the money involved.
Try before you Buy
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It's a done deal according to Sqawka.
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It's a done deal according to Sqawka.
Sqawka??
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much happier with loan, Keane will make him sign if he's any good
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He's basically pulled one bird, then deffed her off because he thinks he's in with one he fancies more, and then when she goes home with someone else he's realised he's without a ride so he raced out and caught the first bird as she's about to jump in the taxi.
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He's basically pulled one bird, then deffed her off because he thinks he's in with one he fancies more, and then when she goes home with someone else he's realised he's without a ride so he raced out and caught the first bird as she's about to jump in the taxi.
when it's put like that..... ; )
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It's a done deal according to Sqawka.
Sqawka??
http://www.squawka.com/news/reports-tom-cleverley-signs-for-aston-villa-on-loan-club-awaiting-confirmation/170645
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I think he will have had to do a hell of a lot of belly crawling to get us to take him on loan even. If it works out I am pretty sure we will have agreed to pay United a lower fee in January so they are not messed about too much to make it longer term.
We need the body, and I still think he will do well in our side, but he has much work to do to make me think that he is anything but a slimy little toad.
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Little fucker should've been shot!
Wearing the kit in that photo
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I'm more interested in what haircut cheltenhamlion is having...
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I'm more interested in what haircut cheltenhamlion is having...
massive Mohican I reckon...
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I'm more interested in what haircut cheltenhamlion is having...
massive Mohican I reckon...
In the clubs colours.
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Well if he does join he's going to have to perform on the pitch to redeem himself a bit.
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Being reported by the BBC now. Amazing really. I imagine it will be approved and he'll have a few months to prove himself.
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I'm more interested in what haircut cheltenhamlion is having...
massive Mohican I reckon...
Even so, it still wouldn't be more ridiculous than Percy's. ;)
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You've got some making up to do Tom, so you better perform on the pitch.
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Daily Mail has some details.
Cleverley, who was forced to train with the reserves at Carrington last week, was in danger of being left in limbo before Villa boss Paul Lambert revived the deal just before Monday’s 11pm deadline.
Villa were granted an extension by the Premier League until 1am to complete a loan move but the paperwork was not submitted until 1.15am.
They are now waiting to find out if it will be ratified so the 25-year-old can move to Villa Park.
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Well, well - didn't expect that. Glad I didn't say out loud what I was thinking last night.
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I think Randy is just fucking with Legion, kept it quiet until he apologised and locked the thread
That's the last time I pay attention to him.
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Beg for forgiveness son. Them when you get here work your arse off and show that you were worth the effort and aggravation. All will be forgotten if you do that.
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I wonder how long we'll have to wait to find out, , will it be today?
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The hopeless romantic in me wants us to say "rules are rules" and walk away from any deal.
This, you old romantic.
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The hopeless romantic in me wants us to say "rules are rules" and walk away from any deal.
This, you old romantic.
If you had one shot to break the rules, would a 4 month loan of Tom Cleverley be the card you play?
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Assuming this goes through, who's making way for him at anfield ? The zog ?
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Fuck him and the horse he rode in on. Sooner use the players we have.
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He's an upgrade on Westwood for sure. A midfield of Delph and Cleverely with Sanchez sitting behind isn't bad.
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Well, well - didn't expect that. Glad I didn't say out loud what I was thinking last night.
I absolutely slated him on Facebook last night. I was bitter.
I've put together a dignified post this morning.
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Fuck him and the horse he rode in on. Sooner use the players we have.
It's sport and outside of doing something illegal which he hasn't then we should bring him in. If he helps us then fine. It's not like we are flush with talent in midfield.
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Daily Mail has some details.
Villa were granted an extension by the Premier League until 1am to complete a loan move but the paperwork was not submitted until 1.15am.
Sorry but rules are rules. We'd be furious if another team was allowed to get away with breaking the rules.
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much happier with loan, Keane will make him sign if he's any good
Keano is a dab hand with a car battery.
What a strange saga this one is, but I have always, always said how much I rated him. Always. Top, top, top player.
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Assuming this goes through, who's making way for him at anfield ? The zog ?
Probably, I wonder if Sanchez will also get a start.
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He's basically pulled one bird, then deffed her off because he thinks he's in with one he fancies more, and then when she goes home with someone else he's realised he's without a ride so he raced out and caught the first bird as she's about to jump in the taxi.
Thanks Lee that makes sense! (and memories come flooding back)
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He's an upgrade on Westwood for sure. A midfield of Delph and Cleverely with Sanchez sitting behind isn't bad.
Agreed, it would be pretty good. Now if we could actually get Vlaar and Delph to sign contracts that'd be good.
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Daily Mail has some details.
Villa were granted an extension by the Premier League until 1am to complete a loan move but the paperwork was not submitted until 1.15am.
Sorry but rules are rules. We'd be furious if another team was allowed to get away with breaking the rules.
Its whether the breach is considered trivial or not. I think this will be allowed.
I hope he scores a winning goal, while two yards off side [that isn't given] with his hand, in the fourth minute of only three minutes added on at the Hawthorns now.
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Assuming this goes through, who's making way for him at anfield ? The zog ?
Probably, I wonder if Sanchez will also get a start.
You'd have thought so, we all of a sudden have options .
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Daily Mail has some details.
Villa were granted an extension by the Premier League until 1am to complete a loan move but the paperwork was not submitted until 1.15am.
Sorry but rules are rules. We'd be furious if another team was allowed to get away with breaking the rules.
Why did we get a two hour extension over everyone else in the firstplace?
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Daily Mail has some details.
Villa were granted an extension by the Premier League until 1am to complete a loan move but the paperwork was not submitted until 1.15am.
Sorry but rules are rules. We'd be furious if another team was allowed to get away with breaking the rules.
Ya Jobs worth lol.
I guess we will soon find out.................or it could drag on for a few days yet!
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Daily Mail has some details.
Villa were granted an extension by the Premier League until 1am to complete a loan move but the paperwork was not submitted until 1.15am.
Sorry but rules are rules. We'd be furious if another team was allowed to get away with breaking the rules.
like another poster said though, it benefits Man U, so never really in question, was it?
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Apparently this has been pushed up to Premier League board level for approval. How often does the board meet? Because I can't see them calling a meeting just to discuss this.
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Daily Mail has some details.
Villa were granted an extension by the Premier League until 1am to complete a loan move but the paperwork was not submitted until 1.15am.
Sorry but rules are rules. We'd be furious if another team was allowed to get away with breaking the rules.
Why did we get a two hour extension over everyone else in the firstplace?
I think if a deal is agreed in principal between two clubs time is given to wrap up the paperwork. It applies to everyone.
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much happier with loan, Keane will make him sign if he's any good
Keano is a dab hand with a car battery.
What a strange saga this one is, but I have always, always said how much I rated him. Always. Top, top, top player.
Am I the only person to think this guy is an oderous little prick? Surely wanting to play for the club is on a par with ability? He didnt and so he shouldnt. Maybe with him in the first team we may finish 13th instead of 15th. Big f'ing wow. Id rather support a team consisting of players I respect
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He's basically pulled one bird, then deffed her off because he thinks he's in with one he fancies more, and then when she goes home with someone else he's realised he's without a ride so he raced out and caught the first bird as she's about to jump in the taxi.
He was lucky to get a second chance with the ugly fat bird (Villa) because at one point it looked as if he'd be returning home in the taxi to his mother's house (Man United) where he'd have to play with himself until January.
Anyway, as long as he scores, the greedy, money-grasping bastard.
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Daily Mail has some details.
Villa were granted an extension by the Premier League until 1am to complete a loan move but the paperwork was not submitted until 1.15am.
Sorry but rules are rules. We'd be furious if another team was allowed to get away with breaking the rules.
not as confident now, extension on their extension? Bit of a piss take even if it is just 15 mins.
Should have got it in order.
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Apparently this has been pushed up to Premier League board level for approval. How often does the board meet? Because I can't see them calling a meeting just to discuss this.
The Mirror are reporting a decision will be made this afternoon for what that's worth.
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I think the argument is that it was the United end that held it up not the Villa end, as they were still dealing with Wellbeck and that guy who I can't recall the name of.
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much happier with loan, Keane will make him sign if he's any good
Keano is a dab hand with a car battery.
What a strange saga this one is, but I have always, always said how much I rated him. Always. Top, top, top player.
Am I the only person to think this guy is an oderous little prick? Surely wanting to play for the club is on a par with ability? He didnt and so he shouldnt. Maybe with him in the first team we may finish 13th instead of 15th. Big f'ing wow. Id rather support a team consisting of players I respect
I don't see the issue. He wanted to play for Everton, who will likely finish in the top six and where he wouldn't have to move house. So would I in his position and so would you.
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I think Randy is just fucking with Legion, kept it quiet until he apologised and locked the thread
That's the last time I pay attention to him.
Lock the thread Legion its going to go tits up!
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Daily Mail has some details.
Villa were granted an extension by the Premier League until 1am to complete a loan move but the paperwork was not submitted until 1.15am.
Sorry but rules are rules. We'd be furious if another team was allowed to get away with breaking the rules.
Its whether the breach is considered trivial or not. I think this will be allowed.
I hope he scores a winning goal, while two yards off side [that isn't given] with his hand, in the fourth minute of only three minutes added on at the Hawthorns now.
Which makes the difference between them staying up and going down.
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Daily Mail has some details.
Villa were granted an extension by the Premier League until 1am to complete a loan move but the paperwork was not submitted until 1.15am.
Sorry but rules are rules. We'd be furious if another team was allowed to get away with breaking the rules.
not as confident now, extension on their extension? Bit of a piss take even if it is just 15 mins.
Should have got it in order.
we did our best to finalise a deal that should nevee have come to this. That said, lots were upset we didn't get something done and it appears as though we tried to well past the very end. If it doesn't happen it doesn't happen but you can't blame the club for not trying.
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'Oderous'? I've never been close enough to judge.
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I f it's in the rules that Chelsea can have twenty four players out on loan then i don't give a shit about the rules.
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Everton top 6 ? Not this season. Crap ageing defence and dcm.
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I f it's in the rules that Chelsea can have twenty four players out on loan then i don't give a shit about the rules.
26
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much happier with loan, Keane will make him sign if he's any good
Keano is a dab hand with a car battery.
What a strange saga this one is, but I have always, always said how much I rated him. Always. Top, top, top player.
Am I the only person to think this guy is an oderous little prick? Surely wanting to play for the club is on a par with ability? He didnt and so he shouldnt. Maybe with him in the first team we may finish 13th instead of 15th. Big f'ing wow. Id rather support a team consisting of players I respect
I don't see the issue. He wanted to play for Everton, who will likely finish in the top six and where he wouldn't have to move house. So would I in his position and so would you.
precisely. I don't understand getting upset at his preferred destination. I can understand getting upset at him fucking us about. I'd rather he made it clear to the club that he wanted to stay in the area than creating the impression that a move to us was on. I'm surprised we went back in for him that late to be honest after all that. Maybe his agent made a begging call to the club at the death to kick it off again.
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Daily Mail has some details.
Villa were granted an extension by the Premier League until 1am to complete a loan move but the paperwork was not submitted until 1.15am.
Sorry but rules are rules. We'd be furious if another team was allowed to get away with breaking the rules.
not as confident now, extension on their extension? Bit of a piss take even if it is just 15 mins.
Should have got it in order.
we did our best to finalise a deal that should nevee have come to this. That said, lots were upset we didn't get something done and it appears as though we tried to well past the very end. If it doesn't happen it doesn't happen but you can't blame the club for not trying.
sorry it wasn't a criticism of club overall effort - if they were granted extension, they should have done it. Can't grumble if you miss it.
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Daily Mail has some details.
Villa were granted an extension by the Premier League until 1am to complete a loan move but the paperwork was not submitted until 1.15am.
Sorry but rules are rules. We'd be furious if another team was allowed to get away with breaking the rules.
Its whether the breach is considered trivial or not. I think this will be allowed.
I hope he scores a winning goal, while two yards off side [that isn't given] with his hand, in the fourth minute of only three minutes added on at the Hawthorns now.
Which makes the difference between them staying up and going down.
"It bay fair Tom, wim the Pride of the Midlands bay wae!"
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I think the argument is that it was the United end that held it up not the Villa end, as they were still dealing with Wellbeck and that guy who I can't recall the name of.
That guy was signed at 1.30am, we put in the paperwork at 1.15 am
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I will be annoyed if he comes in and uses us to then get to Everton for the second half of the season. I hope we have got some assurances about his longer term commitment.
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Daily Mail has some details.
Villa were granted an extension by the Premier League until 1am to complete a loan move but the paperwork was not submitted until 1.15am.
Sorry but rules are rules. We'd be furious if another team was allowed to get away with breaking the rules.
not as confident now, extension on their extension? Bit of a piss take even if it is just 15 mins.
Should have got it in order.
we did our best to finalise a deal that should nevee have come to this. That said, lots were upset we didn't get something done and it appears as though we tried to well past the very end. If it doesn't happen it doesn't happen but you can't blame the club for not trying.
sorry it wasn't a criticism of club overall effort - if they were granted extension, they should have done it. Can't grumble if you miss it.
one would assume they'd have been in touch with the league throughout, but if it isn't granted we can't complain. That said given the liberties taken by other clubs with regard to "rules" then I hope we get a bit of it and this goes through.
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much happier with loan, Keane will make him sign if he's any good
Keano is a dab hand with a car battery.
What a strange saga this one is, but I have always, always said how much I rated him. Always. Top, top, top player.
Am I the only person to think this guy is an oderous little prick? Surely wanting to play for the club is on a par with ability? He didnt and so he shouldnt. Maybe with him in the first team we may finish 13th instead of 15th. Big f'ing wow. Id rather support a team consisting of players I respect
I don't see the issue. He wanted to play for Everton, who will likely finish in the top six and where he wouldn't have to move house. So would I in his position and so would you.
And throw in the fact that in a years time he can move for free and presumably expect a bumper contract somewhere......
All of us are greedy, and footballers would obviously be no different.
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I don't blame Cleverley for wanting to join Everton ahead of us and when that didn't happen being happy to go with his second choice, us. It's no different to one of us having 2 potential job offers at the same time and wanting one more than the other. Doesn't mean you have no interest in the second choice, or that you wouldn't be happy working there.
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much happier with loan, Keane will make him sign if he's any good
Keano is a dab hand with a car battery.
What a strange saga this one is, but I have always, always said how much I rated him. Always. Top, top, top player.
Am I the only person to think this guy is an oderous little prick? Surely wanting to play for the club is on a par with ability? He didnt and so he shouldnt. Maybe with him in the first team we may finish 13th instead of 15th. Big f'ing wow. Id rather support a team consisting of players I respect
I don't see the issue. He wanted to play for Everton, who will likely finish in the top six and where he wouldn't have to move house. So would I in his position and so would you.
And throw in the fact that in a years time he can move for free and presumably expect a bumper contract somewhere......
All of us are greedy, and footballers would obviously be no different. If he could hang about for a while at the cockney reds to potentially double his salary at his next club then it is pretty understandable.
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My my, it's certainly changed on here. I hope the deal gets rejected for the hopeless little fuck.
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I think £8m was an awful lot of cash for someone in the last year of their contract.
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I don't blame Cleverley for wanting to join Everton ahead of us and when that didn't happen being happy to go with his second choice, us. It's no different to one of us having 2 potential job offers at the same time and wanting one more than the other. Doesn't mean you have no interest in the second choice, or that you wouldn't be happy working there.
So it's human nature to want to go for the best wages available ( although I'm sure Joe Cole and Super mario at Liverpool might argue with that). No problem with that
It's also human nature for football fans to hate the greedy bastard players who do it. I wouldn't criticise anyone on here for thinking that TC is just like the majority of other money-obssessed average Joes in the premier league who don't really give a shit about the fans who "pay their wages".
That's the way it goes - and if he scores a few goals before fucking off in January then fair enough
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I don't blame Cleverley for wanting to join Everton ahead of us and when that didn't happen being happy to go with his second choice, us. It's no different to one of us having 2 potential job offers at the same time and wanting one more than the other. Doesn't mean you have no interest in the second choice, or that you wouldn't be happy working there.
Yep, agree with that. I'd be happy to have him here even just in the short term. The wages are the wages. I'm sure Villa knew what he was on prior to any approach.
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much happier with loan, Keane will make him sign if he's any good
Keano is a dab hand with a car battery.
What a strange saga this one is, but I have always, always said how much I rated him. Always. Top, top, top player.
Am I the only person to think this guy is an oderous little prick? Surely wanting to play for the club is on a par with ability? He didnt and so he shouldnt. Maybe with him in the first team we may finish 13th instead of 15th. Big f'ing wow. Id rather support a team consisting of players I respect
I don't see the issue. He wanted to play for Everton, who will likely finish in the top six and where he wouldn't have to move house. So would I in his position and so would you.
As well as playing for a manager that he's worked with before who has a passing philosophy (as opposed to one who in previous seasons has opted to bypass the midfield as much as possible).
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I think £8m was an awful lot of cash for someone in the last year of their contract.
If this deal goes through and it ends up being a loan, then it is much more palatable.
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I don't blame Cleverley for wanting to join Everton ahead of us and when that didn't happen being happy to go with his second choice, us. It's no different to one of us having 2 potential job offers at the same time and wanting one more than the other. Doesn't mean you have no interest in the second choice, or that you wouldn't be happy working there.
So it's human nature to want to go for the best wages available ( although I'm sure Joe Cole and Super mario at Liverpool might argue with that). No problem with that
It's also human nature for football fans to hate the greedy bastard players who do it. I wouldn't criticise anyone on here for thinking that TC is just like the majority of other money-obssessed average Joes in the premier league who don't really give a shit about the fans who "pay their wages".
That's the way it goes - and if he scores a few goals before fucking off in January then fair enough
Well without wishing to sound like some old git (I am under 40) there is absolutely no connection anymore between fans and players. They live in a completely different stratosphere to us.
Supposedly Z Fryers turned up at Palace in a Bentley Continental yesterday. He has achieved fk all in the game and probably has no great motivation to going forward.
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I think £8m was an awful lot of cash for someone in the last year of their contract.
If this deal goes through and it ends up being a loan, then it is much more palatable.
A loan until January with a buy-then option would be the best of both worlds and a good deal for us.
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I will be annoyed if he comes in and uses us to then get to Everton for the second half of the season. I hope we have got some assurances about his longer term commitment.
Yep. Considering that Man U accepted the bid we tabled in the first place, I get the impression it's a loan on the basis of an agreement to make the deal permanent in January. If the deal does get rubber stamped I just hope he doesn't turn out as useless as many people are painting him.
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I think £8m was an awful lot of cash for someone in the last year of their contract.
If this deal goes through and it ends up being a loan, then it is much more palatable.
A loan until January with a buy-then option would be the best of both worlds and a good deal for us.
True, but the fact he can talk to other clubs come january might be a problem.
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I think £8m was an awful lot of cash for someone in the last year of their contract.
If this deal goes through and it ends up being a loan, then it is much more palatable.
A loan until January with a buy-then option would be the best of both worlds and a good deal for us.
Agreed - he would be an improvement on what we have and hopefully he is motivated enough to want to improve and move his career forward.
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Isn't there a separate window for short term loans as opposed to season long loans?
Thinking about I thought you could only arrange season long loans between PL clubs.
Alternatively I'm just talking out of my arse.
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much happier with loan, Keane will make him sign if he's any good
Keano is a dab hand with a car battery.
What a strange saga this one is, but I have always, always said how much I rated him. Always. Top, top, top player.
Am I the only person to think this guy is an oderous little prick? Surely wanting to play for the club is on a par with ability? He didnt and so he shouldnt. Maybe with him in the first team we may finish 13th instead of 15th. Big f'ing wow. Id rather support a team consisting of players I respect
I don't see the issue. He wanted to play for Everton, who will likely finish in the top six and where he wouldn't have to move house. So would I in his position and so would you.
Its Merseyside, Im sure he could have commuted. He didnt sign for us because we wouldnt give him 60k per week and thinks he can do better. I cant see him giving us 100%, thats my main issue
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The ever-hilarious Oliver 'Mrs O'Neill' Holt has tweeted that Man U have made it a condition of the deal that he plays for us against them. Ha bloody ha.
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I think £8m was an awful lot of cash for someone in the last year of their contract.
If this deal goes through and it ends up being a loan, then it is much more palatable.
A loan until January with a buy-then option would be the best of both worlds and a good deal for us.
True, but the fact he can talk to other clubs come january might be a problem.
*starts frantically trying to remove new TC23 tattoo*
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Surely we are paying a hefty loan fee? Going from spending £8m on him to nowt isn't likely, is it? (unless we've agreed to pay all his wages instead of signing him on a long-term deal and getting him to take a pay-cut)
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I don't blame Cleverley for wanting to join Everton ahead of us and when that didn't happen being happy to go with his second choice, us. It's no different to one of us having 2 potential job offers at the same time and wanting one more than the other. Doesn't mean you have no interest in the second choice, or that you wouldn't be happy working there.
So it's human nature to want to go for the best wages available ( although I'm sure Joe Cole and Super mario at Liverpool might argue with that). No problem with that
It's also human nature for football fans to hate the greedy bastard players who do it. I wouldn't criticise anyone on here for thinking that TC is just like the majority of other money-obssessed average Joes in the premier league who don't really give a shit about the fans who "pay their wages".
That's the way it goes - and if he scores a few goals before fucking off in January then fair enough
Well without wishing to sound like some old git (I am under 40) there is absolutely no connection anymore between fans and players. They live in a completely different stratosphere to us.
Supposedly Z Fryers turned up at Palace in a Bentley Continental yesterday. He has achieved fk all in the game and probably has no great motivation to going forward.
exactly! so why we shoud be expected to accept Cleverley without being able to criticise him is beyond me. He'd be training at Halewood this morning, given half a chance.
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Its Merseyside, Im sure he could have commuted. He didnt sign for us because we wouldnt give him 60k per week and thinks he can do better. I cant see him giving us 100%, thats my main issue
I live in the northwest and its a fucking ball ache driving to home games or games down south thanks to the M6. I missed 15 minutes of the game on Sunday because so many cap ends cannot fathom that there is really no need to slam on a slow down to 40 mph through the chevrons between J19-18.
I also cannot stand the ball ache in moving house. I hate painting and decorating too. Its tedious.
I also enjoy my employers paying me as much as possible and I want to work for the best employer possible. [Stop me if you're in disagreement here]
Why should it be different for Cleverley? Why are footballers governed by rules different from the rest of society when it comes to their jobs? Its not his fault you're in love with Aston Villa.
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Ace!! I never expected this!
Happy days if true, I have feeling he will be solid for us.
Legion, you was right after all, a proper ITK from day one. Admin will be jealous with your scoop.
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I think £8m was an awful lot of cash for someone in the last year of their contract.
If this deal goes through and it ends up being a loan, then it is much more palatable.
in the end being a loan it could turn out much more in our favour. It's also possible that the club in paying a loan fee knocks down the final transfer fee also if things go well, and it will be that much closer to the end of his contract.
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Its Merseyside, Im sure he could have commuted. He didnt sign for us because we wouldnt give him 60k per week and thinks he can do better. I cant see him giving us 100%, thats my main issue
I live in the northwest and its a fucking ball ache driving to home games or games down south thanks to the M6. I missed 15 minutes of the game on Sunday ebcause so many cap ends cannot fathom that there is really no need to slam on a slow down to 40 mph through the chevrons between J19-18.
I also cannot stand the ball ache in moving house. I hate painting and decorating too. Its tedious.
I also enjoy my employers paying me as much as possible and I want to work for the best employer possible. [Stop me if you're in disagreement here]
Why should it be different for Cleverley? Why are footballers governed by rules different from the rest of society when it comes to their jobs? Its not his fault you're in love with Aston Villa.
I think Cleverley can afford to get a firm in to paint his walls.
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Da Beeb says that the proposed loan is until January
YellowtiesRUs says that the proposed loan is for the season.
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I don't have an issue with him wanting to go to everton, but i still think he's a bell end. The TC23 is embarrassing (although probably like most footballers).
He'll want to make sure he plays well fast though, i don't think many will give him much time. He'll be wishing he was still a scapegoat.
Hope it works out if it happens.
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Its Merseyside, Im sure he could have commuted. He didnt sign for us because we wouldnt give him 60k per week and thinks he can do better. I cant see him giving us 100%, thats my main issue
I live in the northwest and its a fucking ball ache driving to home games or games down south thanks to the M6. I missed 15 minutes of the game on Sunday ebcause so many cap ends cannot fathom that there is really no need to slam on a slow down to 40 mph through the chevrons between J19-18.
I also cannot stand the ball ache in moving house. I hate painting and decorating too. Its tedious.
I also enjoy my employers paying me as much as possible and I want to work for the best employer possible. [Stop me if you're in disagreement here]
Why should it be different for Cleverley? Why are footballers governed by rules different from the rest of society when it comes to their jobs? Its not his fault you're in love with Aston Villa.
I think Cleverley can afford to get a firm in to paint his walls.
But then he has to clean the room out and its the ball ache of your house being a tip while the workman fit your kitchen, your bathroom. Ball. Ache!
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I don't have an issue with him wanting to go to everton, but i still think he's a bell end. The TC23 is embarrassing (although probably like most footballers).
He'll want to make sure he plays well fast though, i don't think many will give him much time. He'll be wishing he was still a scapegoat.
Hope it works out if it happens.
Agreed - TC23.....ffs.
I reckon they earn so much cash that the sycophants that surround them dare not tell them that they are acting like bell ends.
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exactly! so why we shoud be expected to accept Cleverley without being able to criticise him is beyond me. He'd be training at Halewood this morning, given half a chance.
Should we criticise Vlaar and Benteke for coming to us for more money than they were on at their previous clubs? How much of a shit did Benteke give to Genk fans who paid his wages?
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I can understand the TC23 thing. He would have been a young lad at United and seen the whole Beckham thing first hand, seen his worth and thought he will have him some of that. He's not Beckham but he's probably been influenced and thought that was the way to do things. Its youthful, naïve ambition. Having said that, that nickname will stick.
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Surely we are paying a hefty loan fee? Going from spending £8m on him to nowt isn't likely, is it? (unless we've agreed to pay all his wages instead of signing him on a long-term deal and getting him to take a pay-cut)
Might have happened so late in the end, that Man U were just glad to get him off the wage bill, and remove what would have been a lingering smell from around Carrington. Might turn out a very good deal for Villa with them paying less, and having opportunity to send him back in January if it does not work. And if Villa originally had all of their side of the deal prepared in readiness for the deadline I don't think it looks too bad on them requesting an extension.
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What is the story with the TC23 thing? Amongst all the cafuffle I missed it. You will probably make me hate the little fucker even more but do tell...
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I don't have an issue with him wanting to go to everton, but i still think he's a bell end. The TC23 is embarrassing (although probably like most footballers).
He'll want to make sure he plays well fast though, i don't think many will give him much time. He'll be wishing he was still a scapegoat.
Hope it works out if it happens.
Agreed - TC23.....ffs.
I reckon they earn so much cash that the sycophants that surround them dare not tell them that they are acting like bell ends.
Whilst I agree, he does seem a bit of a knob, and that TC23 stuff is pretty funny, we all know that a few decent performances and we'll have forgotten all about that, as well as this Everton hang-up.
It's funny taking the piss in the meantime, though.
Regards
PW666 x
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CJ 2651982
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Its an arse when you have to now take two days off work for the transfer deadline day
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Sorry, what have I missed regarding his name TC23?
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Da Beeb says that the proposed loan is until January
YellowtiesRUs says that the proposed loan is for the season.
To January or the end of the season he'd still get us out of a hole. The season means our midfield three are pretty sorted (with Westwood as 1st reserve) and if only to January we can spend the interim period looking for a replacement (or we could if there was a DoF with the time to scour Europe).
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Shouldn't that be 'PW 616' ? I thought that '666' was a mis-translation in an early edition of that work of fiction known as 'The Bible'.
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CJ 2651982
is that a BT cable??
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I don't have an issue with him wanting to go to everton, but i still think he's a bell end. The TC23 is embarrassing (although probably like most footballers).
He'll want to make sure he plays well fast though, i don't think many will give him much time. He'll be wishing he was still a scapegoat.
Hope it works out if it happens.
Agreed - TC23.....ffs.
I reckon they earn so much cash that the sycophants that surround them dare not tell them that they are acting like bell ends.
Whilst I agree, he does seem a bit of a knob, and that TC23 stuff is pretty funny, we all know that a few decent performances and we'll have forgotten all about that, as well as this Everton hang-up.
It's funny taking the piss in the meantime, though.
Regards
PW666 x
I guess we would cheer most things that pull the shirt on to be honest. That is the thing with supporting a club I guess.
The Gabby thread is a great example of this.
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Its Merseyside, Im sure he could have commuted. He didnt sign for us because we wouldnt give him 60k per week and thinks he can do better. I cant see him giving us 100%, thats my main issue
I live in the northwest and its a fucking ball ache driving to home games or games down south thanks to the M6. I missed 15 minutes of the game on Sunday ebcause so many cap ends cannot fathom that there is really no need to slam on a slow down to 40 mph through the chevrons between J19-18.
I also cannot stand the ball ache in moving house. I hate painting and decorating too. Its tedious.
I also enjoy my employers paying me as much as possible and I want to work for the best employer possible. [Stop me if you're in disagreement here]
Why should it be different for Cleverley? Why are footballers governed by rules different from the rest of society when it comes to their jobs? Its not his fault you're in love with Aston Villa.
I think Cleverley can afford to get a firm in to paint his walls.
But then he has to clean the room out and its the ball ache of your house being a tip while the workman fit your kitchen, your bathroom. Ball. Ache!
And it's so tedious having to go through all those meetings with the interior designers.
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Sorry, what have I missed regarding his name TC23?
thick ****** 23, He lives at 23 David Wilson estate, Cheadlehulme
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What is the story with the TC23 thing? Amongst all the cafuffle I missed it. You will probably make me hate the little fucker even more but do tell...
Hate? Really?
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Shouldn't that be 'PW 616' ? I thought that '666' was a mis-translation in an early edition of that work of fiction known as 'The Bible'.
666 is the fax number of the beast. It's why we got the extension as we had the wrong number first time round.
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Shouldn't that be 'PW 616' ? I thought that '666' was a mis-translation in an early edition of that work of fiction known as 'The Bible'.
666 is the fax number of the beast. It's why we got the extension as we had the wrong number first time round.
on page 66. Oh my god what are we signing
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and now I look dumb as its rolled onto page 67
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dumbo
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What is the story with the TC23 thing? Amongst all the cafuffle I missed it. You will probably make me hate the little fucker even more but do tell...
Hate? Really?
Ok hate's a strong word, but talking loosely in football related terms...
Anyway, can you answer the question or not ?
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I am pretty sure I can get my Eric Djemba-Djemba tattoo altered to look like Cleverley.
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What is the story with the TC23 thing? Amongst all the cafuffle I missed it. You will probably make me hate the little fucker even more but do tell...
Hate? Really?
it's ridiculous to hate any footballer. Are some of them knobs, self centred, childish etc? Absolutely. Unless they have done something illegal or truly vile I don't see how the word hate ever comes into it.
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I am pretty sure I can get my Eric Djemba-Djemba tattoo altered to look like Cleverley.
probably cheaper to get Cleverley to change his name by deed poll to Eric Djemba-Djemba :)
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What is the story with the TC23 thing? Amongst all the cafuffle I missed it. You will probably make me hate the little fucker even more but do tell...
Hate? Really?
it's ridiculous to hate any footballer. Are some of them knobs, self centred, childish etc? Absolutely. Unless they have done something illegal or truly vile I don't see how the word hate ever comes into it.
I hate John Terry. And Alan Pardew. However, I believe it is illegal to not hate them.
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What is the story with the TC23 thing? Amongst all the cafuffle I missed it. You will probably make me hate the little fucker even more but do tell...
Hate? Really?
Ok hate's a strong word, but talking loosely in football related terms...
Anyway, can you answer the question or not ?
To paraphrase - as I was not aware of it - Cleverly, a week or two before his debut at Man U paid for a marketing firm to produce a website and to develop his brand. TC23 was what they came up with.
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What is the story with the TC23 thing? Amongst all the cafuffle I missed it. You will probably make me hate the little fucker even more but do tell...
Hate? Really?
it's ridiculous to hate any footballer. Are some of them knobs, self centred, childish etc? Absolutely. Unless they have done something illegal or truly vile I don't see how the word hate ever comes into it.
Fooking hell, this is getting like the pathetic sharks in viz. ok, I'll rephrase as 'dislike'. Can you kindly answer the question or not ?
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Aston Villa FC @AVFCOfficialI 1m
CONFIRMED: Tom Cleverley joins on loan until Janurary 1st. #WelcomeCleverley #AVFC
EDIT IGNORE
Dodgy Twitter account :o >:(
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What is the story with the TC23 thing? Amongst all the cafuffle I missed it. You will probably make me hate the little fucker even more but do tell...
Hate? Really?
it's ridiculous to hate any footballer. Are some of them knobs, self centred, childish etc? Absolutely. Unless they have done something illegal or truly vile I don't see how the word hate ever comes into it.
I hate John Terry. And Alan Pardew. However, I believe it is illegal to not hate them.
Agree on John Terry. He falls into the vile category. Alan Pardew, I just want to smash the smirk of his face. There's not hate there as such just a desire to keep pouding on his face. Not sure how to define that feeling.
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I wonder how long it took that firm to come up with TC23?
There are some truly creative minds out there.
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What is the story with the TC23 thing? Amongst all the cafuffle I missed it. You will probably make me hate the little fucker even more but do tell...
Hate? Really?
it's ridiculous to hate any footballer. Are some of them knobs, self centred, childish etc? Absolutely. Unless they have done something illegal or truly vile I don't see how the word hate ever comes into it.
I hate John Terry. And Alan Pardew. However, I believe it is illegal to not hate them.
See also - Chelsea fc.
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What is the story with the TC23 thing? Amongst all the cafuffle I missed it. You will probably make me hate the little fucker even more but do tell...
Hate? Really?
it's ridiculous to hate any footballer. Are some of them knobs, self centred, childish etc? Absolutely. Unless they have done something illegal or truly vile I don't see how the word hate ever comes into it.
Is Marlon King still technically a footballer?
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Aston Villa FC @AVFCOfficialI 1m
CONFIRMED: Tom Cleverley joins on loan until Janurary 1st. #WelcomeCleverley #AVFC
welcome to B6 Tom. Make up for being a complete knob and play your heart out. All will be forgotten if you prove yourself.
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What is the story with the TC23 thing? Amongst all the cafuffle I missed it. You will probably make me hate the little fucker even more but do tell...
Hate? Really?
Ok hate's a strong word, but talking loosely in football related terms...
Anyway, can you answer the question or not ?
To paraphrase - as I was not aware of it - Cleverly, a week or two before his debut at Man U paid for a marketing firm to produce a website and to develop his brand. TC23 was what they came up with.
I don't really see what is wrong with that. Unless I'm missing something.
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What is the story with the TC23 thing? Amongst all the cafuffle I missed it. You will probably make me hate the little fucker even more but do tell...
Hate? Really?
Ok hate's a strong word, but talking loosely in football related terms...
Anyway, can you answer the question or not ?
To paraphrase - as I was not aware of it - Cleverly, a week or two before his debut at Man U paid for a marketing firm to produce a website and to develop his brand. TC23 was what they came up with.
Cheers. Not quite as bad as I imagined actually but still pretty stupid. Still hope he spends the next 12 months in Ures reserves rather than our first team.
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The Villa website seems to have crashed. The website really is a joke.
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Aston Villa FC @AVFCOfficialI 1m
CONFIRMED: Tom Cleverley joins on loan until Janurary 1st. #WelcomeCleverley #AVFC
welcome to B6 Tom. Make up for being a complete knob and play your heart out. All will be forgotten if you prove yourself.
I can't see it on the Twitter page yet.
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It's shit, but probably more a reflection of the fact that lots of people in marketing are total chumps than on TC himself.
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Aston Villa FC @AVFCOfficialI 1m
CONFIRMED: Tom Cleverley joins on loan until Janurary 1st. #WelcomeCleverley #AVFC
welcome to B6 Tom. Make up for being a complete knob and play your heart out. All will be forgotten if you prove yourself.
I can't see it on the Twitter page yet.
Aston Villa FC @AVFCOfficialI 1m
CONFIRMED: Tom Cleverley joins on loan until Janurary 1st. #WelcomeCleverley #AVFC
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What is the story with the TC23 thing? Amongst all the cafuffle I missed it. You will probably make me hate the little fucker even more but do tell...
Hate? Really?
it's ridiculous to hate any footballer. Are some of them knobs, self centred, childish etc? Absolutely. Unless they have done something illegal or truly vile I don't see how the word hate ever comes into it.
Is Marlon King still technically a footballer?
Technically, Marlon King was never a footballer.
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Aston Villa FC @AVFCOfficialI 1m
CONFIRMED: Tom Cleverley joins on loan until Janurary 1st. #WelcomeCleverley #AVFC
welcome to B6 Tom. Make up for being a complete knob and play your heart out. All will be forgotten if you prove yourself.
I can't see it on the Twitter page yet.
Aston Villa FC @AVFCOfficialI 1m
CONFIRMED: Tom Cleverley joins on loan until Janurary 1st. #WelcomeCleverley #AVFC
Ah, that explains it.
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Aston Villa FC @AVFCOfficialI 1m
CONFIRMED: Tom Cleverley joins on loan until Janurary 1st. #WelcomeCleverley #AVFC
welcome to B6 Tom. Make up for being a complete knob and play your heart out. All will be forgotten if you prove yourself.
I can't see it on the Twitter page yet.
Aston Villa FC @AVFCOfficialI 1m
CONFIRMED: Tom Cleverley joins on loan until Janurary 1st. #WelcomeCleverley #AVFC
Yeah edited orginal post , it's a fake account.
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Aston Villa FC @AVFCOfficialI 1m
CONFIRMED: Tom Cleverley joins on loan until Janurary 1st. #WelcomeCleverley #AVFC
welcome to B6 Tom. Make up for being a complete knob and play your heart out. All will be forgotten if you prove yourself.
I can't see it on the Twitter page yet.
Aston Villa FC @AVFCOfficialI 1m
CONFIRMED: Tom Cleverley joins on loan until Janurary 1st. #WelcomeCleverley #AVFC
Yeah edited orginal post , it's a fake account.
some people really have a lot fo time on their hands to have or run fake Twitter accounts
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What is the story with the TC23 thing? Amongst all the cafuffle I missed it. You will probably make me hate the little fucker even more but do tell...
Hate? Really?
it's ridiculous to hate any footballer. Are some of them knobs, self centred, childish etc? Absolutely. Unless they have done something illegal or truly vile I don't see how the word hate ever comes into it.
I hate John Terry. And Alan Pardew. However, I believe it is illegal to not hate them.
Agree on John Terry. He falls into the vile category. Alan Pardew, I just want to smash the smirk of his face. There's not hate there as such just a desire to keep pouding on his face. Not sure how to define that feeling.
He's definitely got a very punchable face, I'd like to repeatedly rub Terry's face with a sizeable cheese grater, well beyond the skin peeling stage.
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some people really have a lot fo time on their hands to have or run fake Twitter accounts
I just call them virgins and bully them.
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Site's back up as well.
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I read a different account of the TC23 stuff, as something he did after a handful of appearances when he was injured.
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/index.php?s=tc23
Trivial fluff really, playing for them and an inflated sense of worth is nothing new.
As for the player himself, I've thought the last couple of years that maybe he's been played too deep.
He's an attacking midfielder asked to keep it simple play next to Michael Carrick and do his best Nicky Butt impression.
Further forward with less defensive responsibility he might be decent.
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Aston Villa FC @AVFCOfficialI 1m
CONFIRMED: Tom Cleverley joins on loan until Janurary 1st. #WelcomeCleverley #AVFC
welcome to B6 Tom. Make up for being a complete knob and play your heart out. All will be forgotten if you prove yourself.
I can't see it on the Twitter page yet.
Aston Villa FC @AVFCOfficialI 1m
CONFIRMED: Tom Cleverley joins on loan until Janurary 1st. #WelcomeCleverley #AVFC
Yeah edited orginal post , it's a fake account.
some people really have a lot fo time on their hands to have or run fake Twitter accounts
Cleverley has an official parody account. Erm...
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What is the story with the TC23 thing? Amongst all the cafuffle I missed it. You will probably make me hate the little fucker even more but do tell...
Hate? Really?
it's ridiculous to hate any footballer. Are some of them knobs, self centred, childish etc? Absolutely. Unless they have done something illegal or truly vile I don't see how the word hate ever comes into it.
I hate John Terry. And Alan Pardew. However, I believe it is illegal to not hate them.
Agree on John Terry. He falls into the vile category. Alan Pardew, I just want to smash the smirk of his face. There's not hate there as such just a desire to keep pouding on his face. Not sure how to define that feeling.
He's definitely got a very punchable face, I'd like to repeatedly rub Terry's face with a sizeable cheese grater, well beyond the skin peeling stage.
I think the key difference with Terry and - to a lesser extend - Pardew is that distaste, or even "hate", for them goes well beyond the realm of football. If John Terry was a singer rather than a player with the same sort of history, he'd still be hated by some people.
Same with Pardew. Although I am prepared to admit "having a shit-eating grin and being a c***" aren't really convincing motives to go as far as hating someone.
The word just gets thrown about meaninglessly these days. I don't really hate Steve Hodge*, for example. Just like when I say "I'll kill him when I see him" when angry about someone, I am not really going to be killing anyone**.
* I do, really.
** Except Steve Hodge.
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I think the key difference with Terry and - to a lesser extend - Pardew is that distaste, or even "hate", for them goes well beyond the realm of football. If John Terry was a singer rather than a player with the same sort of history, he'd still be hated by some people.
like Bono ? ;)
UTV
The Doc
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Which Pardew incidents have riled people so much? I think he's a tad smug and clearly loves himself but I generally do not notice him.
Does it date back to his playing days?
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I'm not sure what it says about Cleverley, Man United, England or Villa but I never thought I'd be so underwhelmed at an England International joining us from Manchester United.
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I think the key difference with Terry and - to a lesser extend - Pardew is that distaste, or even "hate", for them goes well beyond the realm of football. If John Terry was a singer rather than a player with the same sort of history, he'd still be hated by some people.
Same with Pardew. Although I am prepared to admit "having a shit-eating grin and being a c***" aren't really convincing motives to go as far as hating someone.
The word just gets thrown about meaninglessly these days. I don't really hate Steve Hodge*, for example. Just like when I say "I'll kill him when I see him" when angry about someone, I am not really going to be killing anyone**.
* I do, really.
** Except Steve Hodge.
John Terry would be in Skrewdriver.
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I want to know what the TransferDildo thinks of the TC23 loan move.
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Which Pardew incidents have riled people so much? I think he's a tad smug and clearly loves himself but I generally do not notice him.
Does it date back to his playing days?
Nope. All just his face.
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I'm not sure what it says about Cleverley, Man United, England or Villa but I never thought I'd be so underwhelmed at an England International joining us from Manchester United.
We're collecting ex England players, Bent, Cole, Richardson, Gabby, Cleverley
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I'm not sure what it says about Cleverley, Man United, England or Villa but I never thought I'd be so underwhelmed at an England International joining us from Manchester United.
I saw yesterday Jack Colback is in the England squad.
On the numbers involved (35 England qualified players actually playing in a PL game week I saw at one point last season), surely it can only be a matter of time before "not actually being a footballer" won't be a big enough obstacle to getting picked for England.
We'll start picking singers, or actors. Or even characters from fiction.
How old is Adrian Mole these days?
Does anyone know where Brown Fox, Fulchester United's large breasted red indian winger, is playing these days?
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'Shit eating grin' has just become my phrase of the day, maybe even the week.
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I want to know what the TransferDildo thinks of the TC23 loan move.
"When you have been stuck in some of the places I've been, TC23 should be grateful it's AVFC he's going to!"
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I'm not sure what it says about Cleverley, Man United, England or Villa but I never thought I'd be so underwhelmed at an England International joining us from Manchester United.
I saw yesterday Jack Colback is in the England squad.
On the numbers involved (35 England qualified players actually playing in a PL game week I saw at one point last season), surely it can only be a matter of time before "not actually being a footballer" won't be a big enough obstacle to getting picked for England.
We'll start picking singers, or actors. Or even characters from fiction.
How old is Adrian Mole these days?
Does anyone know where Brown Fox, Fulchester United's large breasted red indian winger, is playing these days?
Gary Barlow and Jason Orange have been called into the England squad for the friendly with Norway.
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I'm not sure what it says about Cleverley, Man United, England or Villa but I never thought I'd be so underwhelmed at an England International joining us from Manchester United.
I saw yesterday Jack Colback is in the England squad.
On the numbers involved (35 England qualified players actually playing in a PL game week I saw at one point last season), surely it can only be a matter of time before "not actually being a footballer" won't be a big enough obstacle to getting picked for England.
We'll start picking singers, or actors. Or even characters from fiction.
How old is Adrian Mole these days?
I think restricting yourself to human beings shows up your limitations as a manager. Get Chris Packham in and we can start picking from across the animal kingdom.
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I have received an England call up.
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I'm not sure what it says about Cleverley, Man United, England or Villa but I never thought I'd be so underwhelmed at an England International joining us from Manchester United.
I saw yesterday Jack Colback is in the England squad.
On the numbers involved (35 England qualified players actually playing in a PL game week I saw at one point last season), surely it can only be a matter of time before "not actually being a footballer" won't be a big enough obstacle to getting picked for England.
We'll start picking singers, or actors. Or even characters from fiction.
How old is Adrian Mole these days?
I think restricting yourself to human beings shows up your limitations as a manager. Get Chris Packham in and we can start picking from across the animal kingdom.
Delph will find himself competing with a frisky young deer and an otter for a midfield place.
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I have received an England call up.
Here's hoping not to the management team, you absolute disgrace.
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I've announced my retirement from International football. I can't play alongside Ads.
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http://www.creativespark.co.uk/work/tom-cleverley-brand-identity-website-and-video
The full package.
I use hate all the time. I find irrational hatred ammusing, but obviously i don't actually hate them.
If you've ever been unemployed/ill and watched 'homes under the hammer', i absolutely hate the male presenter based on literally fuck all. I want to smash his face back into the 80's where his hair belongs. Do i really hate him? Ofcourse not.
Well ...
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The Villa website seems to have crashed. The website really is a joke.
How far have we fallen, that our official website crashes
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I really hate the singer bloke from Kaiser Chiefs. Proper hate him. More than Bono, that's proper hate that is.
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I've announced my retirement from International football. I can't play alongside Ads.
I announced last week I will be playing for Canada. They're utterly shit so I reckon I've got a good chance of starting, being captain and ultimately manager within a few weeks of being with the squad.
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I really hate the singer bloke from Kaiser Chiefs. Proper hate him. More than Bono, that's proper hate that is.
More than Bono? Come on. Look into your soul. You know that isn't true.
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The Villa website seems to have crashed. The website really is a joke.
How far have we fallen, that our official website crashes
Villa in crisis.
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If you've ever been unemployed/ill and watched 'homes under the hammer', i absolutely hate the male presenter based on literally fuck all. I want to smash his face back into the 80's where his hair belongs. Do i really hate him? Ofcourse not.
I know the one you mean.
The point at which i hate him most is when he's at the newly bought property with the new owners and they're telling him their plans, and he's stood there, casually leaning against a wall, clearly not really interested in them or listening to them.
If i were the buyer, I'd lean over and push his head into the wall, with great force.
I hate Homes Under The Hammer.
I also hate every single estate agent on it. In the bits where they show them walking down the road and play "Mister Big Stuff" makes me want to throw the telly out of the room.
And before anyone points out I can turn the telly over or not watch it, my Mrs will happily watch every single property show that is on, so there is an element of inescapability to it all.
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The Villa website seems to have crashed. The website really is a joke.
How far have we fallen, that our official website crashes
I've just rung the club about this. I was told the site hasn't crashed, it's been taken down for a redesign in accordance with our new owners wishes.
I was assured that when the site comes back online it will contain our new badge and motto and will also be in the clubs new colours.
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The Villa website seems to have crashed. The website really is a joke.
How far have we fallen, that our official website crashes
I've just rung the club about this. I was told the site hasn't crashed, it's been taken down for a redesign in accordance with our new owners wishes.
I was assured that when the site comes back online it will contain our new badge and motto and will also be in the clubs new colours.
With a redirect to the new domain, www.redbullbirminghamlions.co.uk
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I don't have an issue with him wanting to go to everton, but i still think he's a bell end. The TC23 is embarrassing (although probably like most footballers).
He'll want to make sure he plays well fast though, i don't think many will give him much time. He'll be wishing he was still a scapegoat.
Hope it works out if it happens.
Agreed - TC23.....ffs.
I reckon they earn so much cash that the sycophants that surround them dare not tell them that they are acting like bell ends.
Whilst I agree, he does seem a bit of a knob, and that TC23 stuff is pretty funny, we all know that a few decent performances and we'll have forgotten all about that, as well as this Everton hang-up.
It's funny taking the piss in the meantime, though.
Regards
PW666 x
I guess we would cheer most things that pull the shirt on to be honest. That is the thing with supporting a club I guess.
The Gabby thread is a great example of this.
Yes, us muggy twats will support any old wanker as long as he plays for us. Some of us will even sink as low as backing our all-time Premier League top scorer.
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The Villa website seems to have crashed. The website really is a joke.
How far have we fallen, that our official website crashes
I've just rung the club about this. I was told the site hasn't crashed, it's been taken down for a redesign in accordance with our new owners wishes.
I was assured that when the site comes back online it will contain our new badge and motto and will also be in the clubs new colours.
Will I have to install Japanese fonts to read it?
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I don't have an issue with him wanting to go to everton, but i still think he's a bell end. The TC23 is embarrassing (although probably like most footballers).
He'll want to make sure he plays well fast though, i don't think many will give him much time. He'll be wishing he was still a scapegoat.
Hope it works out if it happens.
Agreed - TC23.....ffs.
I reckon they earn so much cash that the sycophants that surround them dare not tell them that they are acting like bell ends.
Whilst I agree, he does seem a bit of a knob, and that TC23 stuff is pretty funny, we all know that a few decent performances and we'll have forgotten all about that, as well as this Everton hang-up.
It's funny taking the piss in the meantime, though.
Regards
PW666 x
I guess we would cheer most things that pull the shirt on to be honest. That is the thing with supporting a club I guess.
The Gabby thread is a great example of this.
Yes, us muggy twats will support any old wanker as long as he plays for us. Some of us will even sink as low as backing our all-time Premier League top scorer.
What's your take on Homes Under The Hammer?
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The Villa website seems to have crashed. The website really is a joke.
How far have we fallen, that our official website crashes
I've just rung the club about this. I was told the site hasn't crashed, it's been taken down for a redesign in accordance with our new owners wishes.
I was assured that when the site comes back online it will contain our new badge and motto and will also be in the clubs new colours.
Will I have to install Japanese fonts to read it?
Word is we're all going to have to learn to read right to left.
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We is fickle Percy.
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I don't have an issue with him wanting to go to everton, but i still think he's a bell end. The TC23 is embarrassing (although probably like most footballers).
He'll want to make sure he plays well fast though, i don't think many will give him much time. He'll be wishing he was still a scapegoat.
Hope it works out if it happens.
Agreed - TC23.....ffs.
I reckon they earn so much cash that the sycophants that surround them dare not tell them that they are acting like bell ends.
Whilst I agree, he does seem a bit of a knob, and that TC23 stuff is pretty funny, we all know that a few decent performances and we'll have forgotten all about that, as well as this Everton hang-up.
It's funny taking the piss in the meantime, though.
Regards
PW666 x
I guess we would cheer most things that pull the shirt on to be honest. That is the thing with supporting a club I guess.
The Gabby thread is a great example of this.
Yes, us muggy twats will support any old wanker as long as he plays for us. Some of us will even sink as low as backing our all-time Premier League top scorer.
What's your take on Homes Under The Hammer?
Idea for a programme
Holmes Under the Hammer
Members of the public bid for the right to batter Eamonn Holmes with a ball-pein hammer.
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Had soddin' talk sport on all day yesterday when decorating and nothing happens, don't bother looking today and now the BBC informs me that he is coming on loan? What's going on? Must admit though, if approved this is better? If he is a shit as we fear we can give him back. Result.
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The Villa website seems to have crashed. The website really is a joke.
How far have we fallen, that our official website crashes
I've just rung the club about this. I was told the site hasn't crashed, it's been taken down for a redesign in accordance with our new owners wishes.
I was assured that when the site comes back online it will contain our new badge and motto and will also be in the clubs new colours.
With a redirect to the new domain, www.redbullbirminghamlions.co.uk
The TC23 Villainz
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If you've ever been unemployed/ill and watched 'homes under the hammer', i absolutely hate the male presenter based on literally fuck all. I want to smash his face back into the 80's where his hair belongs. Do i really hate him? Ofcourse not.
I know the one you mean.
The point at which i hate him most is when he's at the newly bought property with the new owners and they're telling him their plans, and he's stood there, casually leaning against a wall, clearly not really interested in them or listening to them.
If i were the buyer, I'd lean over and push his head into the wall, with great force.
I hate Homes Under The Hammer.
I also hate every single estate agent on it. In the bits where they show them walking down the road and play "Mister Big Stuff" makes me want to throw the telly out of the room.
And before anyone points out I can turn the telly over or not watch it, my Mrs will happily watch every single property show that is on, so there is an element of inescapability to it all.
That cracked me up Paulie, cheers, couldn't agree more.
Love the Holmes Under The Hammer idea as well. Lets get a kickstarter going.
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I don't have an issue with him wanting to go to everton, but i still think he's a bell end. The TC23 is embarrassing (although probably like most footballers).
He'll want to make sure he plays well fast though, i don't think many will give him much time. He'll be wishing he was still a scapegoat.
Hope it works out if it happens.
Agreed - TC23.....ffs.
I reckon they earn so much cash that the sycophants that surround them dare not tell them that they are acting like bell ends.
Whilst I agree, he does seem a bit of a knob, and that TC23 stuff is pretty funny, we all know that a few decent performances and we'll have forgotten all about that, as well as this Everton hang-up.
It's funny taking the piss in the meantime, though.
Regards
PW666 x
I guess we would cheer most things that pull the shirt on to be honest. That is the thing with supporting a club I guess.
The Gabby thread is a great example of this.
Yes, us muggy twats will support any old wanker as long as he plays for us. Some of us will even sink as low as backing our all-time Premier League top scorer.
What's your take on Homes Under The Hammer?
Idea for a programme
Holmes Under the Hammer
Members of the public bid for the right to batter Eamonn Holmes with a ball-pein hammer.
They came for Eamonn Holmes and I think I'm right in saying that I applauded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJYlmEZ399I)
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Was it the word of ´God ´that finally convinced him ?...........Godzvilla!
Aston Villa legend Paul McGrath has told Manchester United midfielder Tom Cleverley to sign for Paul Lambert and build himself a good career at Villa Park.
Irishman McGrath a fan's favourite at Villa tweeted on social media site Twitter that Villa would be a good place for the youngster to build a name for himself.
He also told the England international to ask his agent to take a cut in his fee.
Paul McGrath @Paulmcgrath5
Follow
Tom Cleverly if I was you I'd ask your agent to take a cut in his fee . Villa is a place you could build a gud name for yourself #game time
3:10 PM - 2 Sep 2014
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It was 3.10 when i read that. Is there a wormhole?
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Was it the word of ´God ´that finally convinced him ?...........Godzvilla!
Aston Villa legend Paul McGrath has told Manchester United midfielder Tom Cleverley to sign for Paul Lambert and build himself a good career at Villa Park.
Irishman McGrath a fan's favourite at Villa tweeted on social media site Twitter that Villa would be a good place for the youngster to build a name for himself.
He also told the England international to ask his agent to take a cut in his fee.
Paul McGrath @Paulmcgrath5
Follow
Tom Cleverly if I was you I'd ask your agent to take a cut in his fee . Villa is a place you could build a gud name for yourself #game time
3:10 PM - 2 Sep 2014
Is it OK for God to spell good gud?
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The Villa website seems to have crashed. The website really is a joke.
How far have we fallen, that our official website crashes
I've just rung the club about this. I was told the site hasn't crashed, it's been taken down for a redesign in accordance with our new owners wishes.
I was assured that when the site comes back online it will contain our new badge and motto and will also be in the clubs new colours.
With a redirect to the new domain, www.redbullbirminghamlions.co.uk
The TC23 Villainz
He'll need to get on to that marketing company if he comes here. Unless Aly Cissokho fancies changing his squad number.
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I saw a bit of 'homes under the hammer' while I was waiting for my car to be serviced yesterday. Actually I wanted to watch 'Jeremy Kyle' but it was a VW dealership and the withered old bitch at reception claimed that all the shouting was giving her a headache.
Anyway, the bloke who presents 'Homes under the Hammer' immediately struck me as the kind of fat, bouffant chancer who shows up for work late with a cocaine hangover, calls everyone 'darling' and never bothers to read the script. Secretly he hates the programme and everyone on it, he's just trying to scrape together enough money to bail out a tanking speculative development somewhere in the Home Counties where he's been refused planning permission, is mortgaged up to the hilt and can't afford the repayments.
That's my take on it
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He'll need to get on to that marketing company if he comes here. Unless Aly Cissokho fancies changing his squad number.
Won't be a problem, his intellectual close friends get to call him T.C.
(Providing it's with dignity.)
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Anyway, the bloke who presents 'Homes under the Hammer' immediately struck me as the kind of fat, bouffant chancer who shows up for work late with a cocaine hangover, calls everyone 'darling' and never bothers to read the script.
That one where they try and find someone a house abroad OR WILL THEY STAY AT HOME (that being the twist), that Jasmine woman who does the "abroad" bits seems quite likeable and is quite attractive, but I always think she looks like she's been out on the lash till 4am the night before, done a load of pills, had sex with someone she can't remember, then gone back to her hotel room and spent an hour or two crying at her lack of respect for herself before having to get up an hour later for the shoot.
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Welcome Tom, now prove yourself worthy on the pitch.
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I saw a bit of 'homes under the hammer' while I was waiting for my car to be serviced yesterday. Actually I wanted to watch 'Jeremy Kyle' but it was a VW dealership and the withered old bitch at reception claimed that all the shouting was giving her a headache.
Anyway, the bloke who presents 'Homes under the Hammer' immediately struck me as the kind of fat, bouffant chancer who shows up for work late with a cocaine hangover, calls everyone 'darling' and never bothers to read the script. Secretly he hates the programme and everyone on it, he's just trying to scrape together enough money to bail out a tanking speculative development somewhere in the Home Counties where he's been refused planning permission, is mortgaged up to the hilt and can't afford the repayments.
That's my take on it
It's amazing how much info you can gather just from watching someone briefly. Like Sherlock Holmes. I completely believe the above to be 100% correct.
Cleverley. Thought I'd just mention his name for when the mandatory party pooper tells us to get back 'on topic'. Which is boring.
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That's an excellent analysis. In that kind of telly, everyone thinks they're the only person who realises that what they're doing is valueless and stupid, and so everyone they work with must therefore be an idiot. So they are trapped in this cycle of dishonest, vacuous self-loathing.
I would love to see that presenter put his arm round some homebuyer and say: 'you know what your dream home is worth?'
(Pause, then whisper)
'Absolutely fuck all'
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I'm pretty curious to see his welcome interview to see what he says.
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I'm pretty curious to see his welcome interview to see what he says.
Especially if they mention property shows.
Has he signed? I mean, has it been approved yet?
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I'm pretty curious to see his welcome interview to see what he says.
"When I play for Everton in January it'll be a dream come true."
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Apparently the official Villa twitter thing has been saying he has.
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Apparently the official Villa twitter thing has been saying he has.
Was a wind up
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first thing we do is get the boy some english leasons, like what i did.
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Apparently the official Villa twitter thing has been saying he has.
Was a wind up
Ah ok!
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Apparently the official Villa twitter thing has been saying he has.
Was a wind up
Ah ok!
But now there are lots of people saying he has.
Including someone calling him T-Clevz. Which is worse than TC23
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Approved. Welcome TC23.
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Right welcome to him and like I said I'm curious to know what he has to say. One thing's for sure that he does improve our team.
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Was it the word of ´God ´that finally convinced him ?...........Godzvilla!
Aston Villa legend Paul McGrath has told Manchester United midfielder Tom Cleverley to sign for Paul Lambert and build himself a good career at Villa Park.
Irishman McGrath a fan's favourite at Villa tweeted on social media site Twitter that Villa would be a good place for the youngster to build a name for himself.
He also told the England international to ask his agent to take a cut in his fee.
Paul McGrath @Paulmcgrath5
Follow
Tom Cleverly if I was you I'd ask your agent to take a cut in his fee . Villa is a place you could build a gud name for yourself #game time
3:10 PM - 2 Sep 2014
Is it OK for God to spell good gud?
He's spells God, gud
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Approved. Welcome TC23.
Where are you seeing this Ads ?
Is it on some secret site only accessible to Premier League managers and former managers ?
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Ace!! I never expected this!
Happy days if true, I have feeling he will be solid for us.
Legion, you was right after all, a proper ITK from day one. Admin will be jealous with your scoop.
I would just like to thank...
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this is obviously going to prove deeply unpopular but I have met Martin Roberts (Homes under the Hammer several times both in respect of his property development interests and as a travel writer. I didn't get the impression that he was as oafish as Damon suggests, but then TV does have a habit of distorting reality. It makes some people look bigger than they actually are - either intellectually or physically, if you catch my drift.
PS Martin's on screen partner happens to be married to an ex footballer! Funny old game.
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Sky journo:
Pete O'Rourke @SkySportsPeteO 14m
Tom Cleverley's loan move to Aston Villa from Manchester United has been approved by the Premier a League. #avfc #MUFC
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this is obviously going to prove deeply unpopular but I have met Martin Roberts (Homes under the Hammer several times both in respect of his property development interests and as a travel writer. I didn't get the impression that he was as oafish as Damon suggests, but then TV does have a habit of distorting reality. It makes some people look bigger than they actually are - either intellectually or physically, if you catch my drift.
PS Martin's on screen partner happens to be married to an ex footballer! Funny old game.
Does he have magnets on his hands?
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Welcome, Cleverley, you greedy twat.
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Approved. Welcome TC23.
Where are you seeing this Ads ?
Is it on some secret site only accessible to Premier League managers and former managers ?
It is. We even have the pictures of Jennifer Lawrence with her baps out and that girl from Downton Abbey with a cock in her eye.
O'Leary is our version of Greg Nash.
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Apparently the official Villa twitter thing has been saying he has.
Was a wind up
Ah ok!
But now there are lots of people saying he has.
Including someone calling him T-Clevz. Which is worse than TC23
The kind of name I would associate with being shot in the backside by Bobby Baccala.
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Joins on year loan from Times report on Twitter
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Well I can't say that I'm as happy as I would have been, I mean the poor fucker must be upset he's at a middle of the road club, hope he just lets the football do the talking from now on.
Welcome to the greatest club in the universe
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Got us an extra body in and potential a useful one IMO. Plus the fact it's a loan has meant there's a few million we haven't spent that you'd hope can be used in Jan should an opportunity to sign someone to improve the team arise. All in all this window could have been much worse.
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Tom Cleverley anagram:
greedy cock sore
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Sky journo:
Pete O'Rourke @SkySportsPeteO 14m
Tom Cleverley's loan move to Aston Villa from Manchester United has been approved by the Premier a League. #avfc #MUFC
It's on the yellow bar on SSN, sorry Sky SpN HQ HD, so it must be true. Back to watching England getting stuffed in the cricket.
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Joins on year loan from Times report on Twitter
aint it January15?
i may have mis information
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this is obviously going to prove deeply unpopular but I have met Martin Roberts (Homes under the Hammer several times both in respect of his property development interests and as a travel writer. I didn't get the impression that he was as oafish as Damon suggests, but then TV does have a habit of distorting reality. It makes some people look bigger than they actually are - either intellectually or physically, if you catch my drift.
PS Martin's on screen partner happens to be married to an ex footballer! Funny old game.
Ex Wimbledon player I think.
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Tom Cleverley anagram:
greedy cock sore
Let me cry, love
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Is it OK for God to spell good gud?
Do you really need to ask that question?
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Good news is it's a season long loan with a break clause for both sides in January....so should he do well we'll be able to moan about our manager / boards incompetence in allowing that to happen
Good deal Lambert
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So it's a season long loan then?
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Should make him easier to sign in May, should we wish to do so.
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Should make him easier to sign in May, should we wish to do so.
it will be like the Barry deal to Everton. Played well, contract expired and signed permanently thereafter. So essentially we are getting him for whatever the loan fee is and no transfer fee at the end if we decide to keep him. Just a signing a bonus. That's pretty well done even if it was a bit of 'mare getting to this point.
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That's an excellent analysis. In that kind of telly, everyone thinks they're the only person who realises that what they're doing is valueless and stupid, and so everyone they work with must therefore be an idiot. So they are trapped in this cycle of dishonest, vacuous self-loathing.
I would love to see that presenter put his arm round some homebuyer and say: 'you know what your dream home is worth?'
(Pause, then whisper)
'Absolutely fuck all'
Nick Knowles is a hand wringing, over earnest mockney bellend with a face I'd like to cave in.
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Stuart Castledine (who) is Lucy' s partner.
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Have we actually played this one quite well?
We have saved £7.5million, paid a loan fee that I would imagine is considerably less than that, maybe even spread his wages with Man United paying a contribution. We get him on loan and if he recaptures his form of a few seasons ago, then we're in a prime position to bag him come May.
I would certainly be a bit miffed at how armature Everton looked with their £7million bid, which was quickly followed by an "erm, actually, we can't really afford that, how about £5million?".
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Is it 4 months ? SSN reporting season long loan ?
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Season long with a break clause in Jan apparently.
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Season long with a break clause in Jan apparently.
Thanks .
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Should make him easier to sign in May, should we wish to do so.
It will certainly give him more time to break into our team.
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we've essentially gone in at the last minute and stolen him from Everton. The player would have been desperate as Everton came up short and he would have been left with the prospect of playing reserve team football. Like our bomb squad he was made aware he was no longer required. We've gone in, made a take it or leave it offer to Man U and got him for very little with a lot of upside if he does recapture his form. If he doesn't, well back he goes.
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So basically he has a few months to impress potential suitors by playing some decent stuff - hopefully if he is playing well for us he will want to stay.
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He's fucked over Brand FC by denying them a big fee.
You can't knock him on that.
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I prefer this kind of deal in this instance, if he is rubbish and/or sulking all the time at least we don't have to keep him, and it's cost us a lot less cash. I still don't rate him but am prepared to give him a chance and see what happens.
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Maybe we can start stocking some of his TC23 gear down the Village? I fancy some expensive jeans with rips in them
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If there's break clauses on both sides...
Then if he's playing well in January, can't Brand FC threaten to recall him unless we stump up 7 million ?
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Have we actually played this one quite well?
We have saved £7.5million, paid a loan fee that I would imagine is considerably less than that, maybe even spread his wages with Man United paying a contribution.
I would say yes.
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At least the brand won't be able to have 23 shirt!!!!
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I think we should give credit where it's due. The people at Villa trying to get this deal done have got the better of Cleverley's agent, Everton and Manchester United.
We have gamed the regulations in our favour, and got a ruling from the Premier League that suits us.
For a club that supposed to be naive and a soft touch when it comes to transfer dealings, that's not bad going.
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Good news is it's a season long loan with a break clause for both sides in January....so should he do well we'll be able to moan about our manager / boards incompetence in allowing that to happen
Good deal Lambert
Would this require both sides or just one to break it?
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If there's break clauses on both sides...
Then if he's playing well in January, can't Brand FC threaten to recall him unless we stump up 7 million ?
Potentially, but that is surely only going to happen if they lose half a squad to injury. More of an issue I would have thought is him not adjusting to life down here, being dazzled by the verve, colour and excitement of it all, and wanting a move back to the grey and gloomy north.
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It's a season-long loan.
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Well done Mr Lambert, and all connected.
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If there's break clauses on both sides...
Then if he's playing well in January, can't Brand FC threaten to recall him unless we stump up 7 million ?
Potentially, but that is surely only going to happen if they lose half a squad to injury. More of an issue I would have thought is him not adjusting to life down here, being dazzled by the verve, colour and excitement of it all, and wanting a move back to the grey and gloomy north.
Aye there is that. Thinking about it they'll probably be too busy shopping in January to think about recalling him.
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I'm very pleased with this.
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If there's break clauses on both sides...
Then if he's playing well in January, can't Brand FC threaten to recall him unless we stump up 7 million ?
Potentially, but that is surely only going to happen if they lose half a squad to injury. More of an issue I would have thought is him not adjusting to life down here, being dazzled by the verve, colour and excitement of it all, and wanting a move back to the grey and gloomy north.
Aye there is that. Thinking about it they'll probably be too busy shopping in January to think about recalling him.
They'll need some more attackers by then.
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Thread title needs amending. Official twitter confirms it's for rest of season.
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Well done Mr Lambert, and all connected.
yes absolutely. They played this one really well.
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I think we should give credit where it's due. The people at Villa trying to get this deal done have got the better of Cleverley's agent, Everton and Manchester United.
We have gamed the regulations in our favour, and got a ruling from the Premier League that suits us.
For a club that supposed to be naive and a soft touch when it comes to transfer dealings, that's not bad going.
Is it any coincidence Paul Faulkner was not involved.
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I think we should give credit where it's due. The people at Villa trying to get this deal done have got the better of Cleverley's agent, Everton and Manchester United.
We have gamed the regulations in our favour, and got a ruling from the Premier League that suits us.
For a club that supposed to be naive and a soft touch when it comes to transfer dealings, that's not bad going.
The influence of cunning Tom Fox?
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I think we should give credit where it's due. The people at Villa trying to get this deal done have got the better of Cleverley's agent, Everton and Manchester United.
We have gamed the regulations in our favour, and got a ruling from the Premier League that suits us.
For a club that supposed to be naive and a soft touch when it comes to transfer dealings, that's not bad going.
Is it any coincidence Paul Faulkner was not involved.
he got Liverpool to give us 20m for Downing didn't he? Sign Benteke and Vlaar...
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I think we should give credit where it's due. The people at Villa trying to get this deal done have got the better of Cleverley's agent, Everton and Manchester United.
We have gamed the regulations in our favour, and got a ruling from the Premier League that suits us.
For a club that supposed to be naive and a soft touch when it comes to transfer dealings, that's not bad going.
Is it any coincidence Paul Faulkner was not involved.
I dunno Faulkner played an absolute blinder on Jenas, Nzogbia, Ireland, Given. Hardly cost us a penny.
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I think we should give credit where it's due. The people at Villa trying to get this deal done have got the better of Cleverley's agent, Everton and Manchester United.
We have gamed the regulations in our favour, and got a ruling from the Premier League that suits us.
For a club that supposed to be naive and a soft touch when it comes to transfer dealings, that's not bad going.
Is it any coincidence Paul Faulkner was not involved.
he got Liverpool to give us 20m for Downing didn't he? Sign Benteke and Vlaar...
He wasn't CEO for the first, and the others were reasonably straightforward purchases.
Edit. Actually he probably was CEO for the first.
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Funny that the first anyone knew about this was around lunchtime.
Shows the press and various itk know fk all.
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ITK=KFA
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Funny that the first anyone knew about this was around lunchtime.
Shows the press and various itk know fk all.
We were talking about it on our secret ex-managers messageboard this morning, but to be honest, we all got side tracked by the fapping over Kate Upton.
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I think we should give credit where it's due. The people at Villa trying to get this deal done have got the better of Cleverley's agent, Everton and Manchester United.
We have gamed the regulations in our favour, and got a ruling from the Premier League that suits us.
For a club that supposed to be naive and a soft touch when it comes to transfer dealings, that's not bad going.
Is it any coincidence Paul Faulkner was not involved.
he got Liverpool to give us 20m for Downing didn't he? Sign Benteke and Vlaar...
He wasn't CEO for the first, and the others were reasonably straightforward purchases.
Edit. Actually he probably was CEO for the first.
yes, he was CEO in 2010, we sold Downing in 2011. And when you say straightforward, how do you define that? From my recollection there was little straightforward about the Benteke deal.
Give credit where it is due. Not everything was bad just because some things were.
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That Harj seemed to think it was still happening.
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Funny that the first anyone knew about this was around lunchtime.
Shows the press and various itk know fk all.
I think that's because the PL panel didn't sit until 2pm today to decide whether or not to accept it.
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That Harj seemed to think it was still happening.
The bloke from TOWIE that went missing?
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That Harj seemed to think it was still happening.
The bloke from TOWIE that went missing?
I have no idea what you're talking about.
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That Harj seemed to think it was still happening.
The bloke from TOWIE that went missing?
I have no idea what you're talking about.
where's TOWIE ? Yorkshire ?
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That Harj seemed to think it was still happening.
The bloke from TOWIE that went missing?
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Save it for the cops. What have you done with him? Where is he?
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That Harj seemed to think it was still happening.
The bloke from TOWIE that went missing?
I have no idea what you're talking about.
where's TOWIE ? Yorkshire ?
How dare you.
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It is a small place near London inhabited by simpletons that paint themselves orange.
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That Harj seemed to think it was still happening.
The bloke from TOWIE that went missing?
The Only Way is Erdington?
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Aren't we a bit late, shouldn't this have been done yesterday?
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That Harj seemed to think it was still happening.
The bloke from TOWIE that went missing?
The Only Way is Erdington?
There is no question what side of the Road us Erdingtonese walk on. 8)
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Can't wait to hear TC23's version of events. 'Couldn't wait to sign' 'Always my first choice' etc. The weasel
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Aren't we a bit late, shouldn't this have been done yesterday?
Apparently we were a few minutes late with the paper work (probably due to the big deals getting rushed through at Manure) but as there was a clear intention on both sides to get the deal done the Premier League granted us an extension.
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Can't wait to hear TC23's version of events. 'Couldn't wait to sign' 'Always my first choice' etc. The weasel
Yeah but he's now our greedy, vacuous weasel.
Welcome to VP TC23 *makes gang sign with fingers*
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Aren't we a bit late, shouldn't this have been done yesterday?
Apparently we were a few minutes late with the paper work (probably due to the big deals getting rushed through at Manure) but as there was a clear intention on both sides to get the deal done the Premier League granted us an extension.
Right. Ta.
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Definitely. well played Paul Lambert.
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That Harj seemed to think it was still happening.
The bloke from TOWIE that went missing?
The Only Way is Erdington?
There is no question what side of the Road us Erdingtonese walk on. 8)
Oh I dunno, the way TV is nowadays, I reckon friends discussing their relationships outside Big John's might take off.
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The Guardian are reporting that the paperwork wasn't complete until 1.15 am but that "the club had tried its utmost to process everything as quickly as possible". Sounds like a Redknappism.
Welcome to the Villa you money grabbing toe rag...
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Harj redeemed!
I am confused, do I still hate Cleverley now or is all forgiven?
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Do we even know this was about money. Or are we just assuming ?
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He has 4 months to show us and the world what he can do which might get him and his brand to a club that's worthy of his greatness.
It might seem daft but I kind of hope he falls flat on his face and we tell him to do one in January. He stinks of Downing.
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He has 4 months to show us and the world what he can do which might get him and his brand to a club that's worthy of his greatness.
It might seem daft but I kind of hope he falls flat on his face and we tell him to do one in January. He stinks of Downing.
Eau de Downing. When you absolutely NEED to smell of triple faced judas.
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Whatever the circumstances the money-grabbing twonk's a Villa player for now - let's hope he turns it on enough so that a massive club will give him a permanent deal....failing that he can f**k off.
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I think we should give him a chance before judging him... We also have to convince him don't forget. The best way to achieve both is by success on the field. I would never have thought Senderos and Cissokho would be good signings-but so far they are.
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well, I said last night that I thought he'd bring us some dynamism in MF to match Delph. He is, by all accounts, an intelligent footballer who focusses on supporting the team efforts as opposed to being an individual dazzler.
I would hope that the combination of Keane's influence and the personal desire to prove people wrong will mean we get the best from him.
My real concern is that the club now bring some parity in terms for the likes of Delph and Vlaar and get them signed up on a decent contract.
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That Harj seemed to think it was still happening.
The bloke from TOWIE that went missing?
The Only Way is Erdington?
There is no question what side of the Road us Erdingtonese walk on. 8)
Oh I dunno, the way TV is nowadays, I reckon friends discussing their relationships outside Big John's might take off.
there's meant to be a reality show starting over here soon about people who watch reality shows. FFS
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He has 4 months to show us and the world what he can do which might get him and his brand to a club that's worthy of his greatness.
It might seem daft but I kind of hope he falls flat on his face and we tell him to do one in January. He stinks of Downing.
Apparently its a Season long loan , so he has 8 months plus to prove himself ........Godzvilla!
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/teams/aston-villa
Aston Villa receive Premier League approval to sign Manchester United midfielder Tom Cleverley on a season-long loan.
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Pat Murphy just said on 5 Live he's on the same wages he was on at United which is less than the highest earners at Villa.
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well, I said last night that I thought he'd bring us some dynamism in MF to match Delph. He is, by all accounts, an intelligent footballer who focusses on supporting the team efforts as opposed to being an individual dazzler.
I would hope that the combination of Keane's influence and the personal desire to prove people wrong will mean we get the best from him.
My real concern is that the club now bring some parity in terms for the likes of Delph and Vlaar and get them signed up on a decent contract.
This.
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I see it as a win win for Villa, we get to see if he is worth the £8m we now haven't spent, and he should be busting a gut to prove he is worth what he is asking for.
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Welcome to Villa, looking forward to seeing you get your career back on track. Great signing, not sure why there is so much nastiness.
I'm very happy with this, we now have a very decen midfield all of a sudden.
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Pat Murphy just said on 5 Live he's on the same wages he was on at United which is less than the highest earners at Villa.
that's some top work done by Villa. Got in a a young player who has a lot of promise, didn't fork out a lot, get out clauses, expiring contract and maintained the integrity of our wage structure so that it doesn't interfere with current negotiations with players. Solid.
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Assume this is the work of Mr Fox?
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He's fighting for a good contract, so at least the weasel will put in effort.
Great result for us.
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If what Pat Murphy said is true, we have done very well for ourselves for once!
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If he's in our shirt, giving his best I'll back him, irrespective of him being a tool. We get what we want & so does he.
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Assume this is the work of Mr Fox?
(http://cinemagogue.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/fantastic_mr_fox_ver3.jpg)
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An upgrade on KEA? Definitely.
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Maybe. I'm sure the original article about this said Lambert made the call.
Who knows, who cares?
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It amazes me that people can continue to be so abusive about the lad even after he has chosen to sign for us, Aston Villa, with this one fact being the only the thing we know for sure.
Don't get me wrong, I was there at 11:05 last night uttering various insults about his money-grabbing, preferring Everton, but clearly this was not entirely the case, all these journalists seem to base much on assumption.
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Pat Murphy just said on 5 Live he's on the same wages he was on at United which is less than the highest earners at Villa.
So why did he or his agent or both think he was worth much more?
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Gives us five players to choose from when we want to play three in centre-mid. Vital really as I think Delph and Sanchez will pick up a few bookings.
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It amazes me that people can continue to be so abusive about the lad even after he has chosen to sign for us, Aston Villa, with this one fact being the only the thing we know for sure.
This. We don't know the circumstances and it's done now, abuse him if he's pants on the pitch.
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Pat Murphy just said on 5 Live he's on the same wages he was on at United which is less than the highest earners at Villa.
So why did he or his agent or both think he was worth much more?
If you don't ask you don't get.
It's very possible our opening offer was less than his Utd wage, so we then settled in the middle somewhere, which was what he's presently on with them.
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Pat Murphy just said on 5 Live he's on the same wages he was on at United which is less than the highest earners at Villa.
So why did he or his agent or both think he was worth much more?
Isn't that what agents do?
Anyway, my 'ITK' tells me he's a neat and tidy player who passes the ball sideways to more dynamic players, he said United hoped he would be the dynamic player but it seems he's not.
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Didn't want him but think the club have done very well with this deal.
Hope TC23™ does well.
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Pat Murphy just said on 5 Live he's on the same wages he was on at United which is less than the highest earners at Villa.
So why did he or his agent or both think he was worth much more?
Isn't that what agents do?
Anyway, my 'ITK' tells me he's a neat and tidy player who passes the ball sideways to more dynamic players, he said United hoped he would be the dynamic player but it seems he's not.
To be fair to him, its hard for him to be a dynamic player when he's used as a defensive midfielder. I think we'll be telling him to get forward and give him more freedom to show us what he can do.
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Interesting to see how he fits in. Thought Delph & Richardson looked good on Sunday, and you'd presume Sanchez, if he was to play, would go in the place of Westwood?
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Very happy. Massive upgrade on Sylla-Al Hamidi. Think he is going to suprise a lot of people on how good he plays .........
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Pat Murphy just said on 5 Live he's on the same wages he was on at United which is less than the highest earners at Villa.
So why did he or his agent or both think he was worth much more?
Isn't that what agents do?
Anyway, my 'ITK' tells me he's a neat and tidy player who passes the ball sideways to more dynamic players, he said United hoped he would be the dynamic player but it seems he's not.
To be fair to him, its hard for him to be a dynamic player when he's used as a defensive midfielder. I think we'll be telling him to get forward and give him more freedom to show us what he can do.
With a bit of luck, he could become the Milner replacement we have been craving.
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Pat Murphy just said on 5 Live he's on the same wages he was on at United which is less than the highest earners at Villa.
So why did he or his agent or both think he was worth much more?
Isn't that what agents do?
Anyway, my 'ITK' tells me he's a neat and tidy player who passes the ball sideways to more dynamic players, he said United hoped he would be the dynamic player but it seems he's not.
To be fair to him, its hard for him to be a dynamic player when he's used as a defensive midfielder. I think we'll be telling him to get forward and give him more freedom to show us what he can do.
With a bit of luck, he could become the Milner replacement we have been craving.
I hope so.
We've missed a bit of get up and go in midfield for about 3 - 4 seasons.
He should work well with Delph.
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It amazes me that people can continue to be so abusive about the lad even after he has chosen to sign for us, Aston Villa, with this one fact being the only the thing we know for sure.
Don't get me wrong, I was there at 11:05 last night uttering various insults about his money-grabbing, preferring Everton, but clearly this was not entirely the case, all these journalists seem to base much on assumption.
Think most are having a joke about it. Nothing nasty.
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Ferguson did with him what he did with Anderson, and seems to have ruined them both. When Cleverley was at Wigan, and Anderson in Portugal, they both played very much as final-third players, with freedom to find space and not worry too much about tactical responsibility. Ferguson decided that both of them should actually play in a deep midfield two - these days, one of the hardest jobs in football. Hopefully we can play TC23 (TM) further forward, as that's what both the team and the player need to kick on.
Also, I think Cleverly will be the new Clarke, Abonglahor and Guzman.
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http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/best-tweets-as-tom-cleverley-prices-himself-out-of-villa-move-staying-at-manchester-united/
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Decent comments from him on the official site.
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It would be curious to know if we've agreed a fee if it were to be made permanent.
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So if we want to keep him in January we have to pay a transfer fee. With his contract up in May what price could United reasonably expect?
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10603520_917483258279233_6642388585366319556_n.jpg?oh=7f468847dc66fbfd0eb949851a358493&oe=54662D45&__gda__=1417191027_7a4f3d9514e09323e5c963d21a8cd94a)
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LINK to those decent remarks (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4116690,00.html)
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New Aston Villa midfielder Tom Cleverley has hailed the influence of Champions League winning midfielders Paul Lambert and Roy Keane in his decision to join the club on a season-long loan deal from Manchester United, with an option to make the move permanent.
"The prospect of working under the manager and Roy, who were both fantastic midfielders in their playing careers, made the decision to come to Villa an easy one," explained the 25-year-old England international.
"I'm looking forward to working with them but also the other really good midfield players that the club have, like Fabian Delph, Ashley Westwood and other new lads like Kieran Richardson, Joe Cole and Carlos Sanchez."
Cleverley has been impressed with Villa's start to the season and with the positive, energetic style of play they have shown while winning seven out of a possible nine points so far this term.
"I've been watching Villa games this year and it's been a really good start and, with the upcoming fixtures all big games, hopefully I can bring a bit of big game experience and add to the squad and help us to win some games.
"It's a team that plays the style of football that I like. They play with high energy, they pass and move and there are a lot of good young players. The manager told me the way that he'd like me to play and it all sat perfectly for me. I'm very happy to be coming down to play for Villa."
Cleverley is also determined to make an impact at Villa Park and boost his chances of adding to his 13 England caps.
"First and foremost I have got to get back playing and hopefully as a by-product of that I can get back in the England team. The thing I am concentrating on though is trying to come in and hit the ground running so I can help Aston Villa. Playing football is what matters most to me and I'm looking forward to getting back to what I know I can do. This is the kind of club where I can do that.
"Villa Park is one of those grounds that I always look forward to playing at. The pitch is always fantastic, the atmosphere is always good and it's one of those historic grounds that you always remember. It's had FA Cup semi-finals and even England games when Wembley was being renovated so it's a very historic ground and it's somewhere I'm really looking forward to playing my club football."
Paul Lambert said: "Tom brings big game experience to the club, he's played international football for England and he still has great potential to kick on in his career.
"There's a lot of good football ahead of him if he performs the way we think he can perform and we're delighted to have been able to bring him in to join the group.
"Allied to the players we had brought in already during the window as well as the strong start we've made to the season, this is another good step forward and we want to continue to build on our progress into the season."
Basingstoke-born Cleverley started his youth career at Bradford City before moving to Manchester United in 2000 as an 11-year-old.
He came through the ranks at United, playing for the youth and reserve teams before moving to Leicester City on loan in January 2009.
He played 15 times for the East Midlands club and scored twice as they won promotion from League One.
He moved to Watford the following year on a season-long loan and played 33 times, scoring 11 goals and winning player of the year as the Hornets finished 11th.
He impressed during preseason with Manchester United in summer 2010, eventually joining Wigan Athletic on loan for the season. He played 25 times for the Latics and was one of the stand out performers as they finished 16th and retained their Premier League status. He scored three goals and assisted two more during his time at the DW Stadium.
He returned to Manchester United in 2011 and made his competitive debut for the club in the Community Shield victory against Manchester City in August. He endured several injuries but played a further 14 times in his first season with the team as they lost out to their city rivals on goal difference for the title.
In 2012-13 he played 22 Premier League matches for United, as well as five times in the Champions League and five more in domestic cups, proving a key figure for United as they won the Premier League title in Sir Alex Ferguson's last season at the club.
Last season he played 22 Premier League games, four in the Champions League and four in domestic cups. During his time with the first team, he has won a Premier League trophy and two Community Shields.
Cleverley has played 13 times for England, making his debut in England's first match after Euro 2012, against Italy at the Stade de Suisse in Bern.
He played a large part in England's qualification for the 2014 World Cup, playing in seven of the ten group H games. He also played five times for Great Britain during the 2012 Olympic Games.
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Official site interview (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4116690,00.html)
EDIT: Beaten to the punch
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LINK to those decent remarks (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4116690,00.html)
New Aston Villa midfielder Tom Cleverley has hailed the influence of Champions League winning midfielders Paul Lambert and Roy Keane in his decision to join the club on a season-long loan deal from Manchester United, with an option to make the move permanent.
"The prospect of working under the manager and Roy, who were both fantastic midfielders in their playing careers, made the decision to come to Villa an easy one," explained the 25-year-old England international.
"I'm looking forward to working with them but also the other really good midfield players that the club have, like Fabian Delph, Ashley Westwood and other new lads like Kieran Richardson, Joe Cole and Carlos Sanchez."
Cleverley has been impressed with Villa's start to the season and with the positive, energetic style of play they have shown while winning seven out of a possible nine points so far this term.
"I've been watching Villa games this year and it's been a really good start and, with the upcoming fixtures all big games, hopefully I can bring a bit of big game experience and add to the squad and help us to win some games.
"It's a team that plays the style of football that I like. They play with high energy, they pass and move and there are a lot of good young players. The manager told me the way that he'd like me to play and it all sat perfectly for me. I'm very happy to be coming down to play for Villa."
Cleverley is also determined to make an impact at Villa Park and boost his chances of adding to his 13 England caps.
"First and foremost I have got to get back playing and hopefully as a by-product of that I can get back in the England team. The thing I am concentrating on though is trying to come in and hit the ground running so I can help Aston Villa. Playing football is what matters most to me and I'm looking forward to getting back to what I know I can do. This is the kind of club where I can do that.
"Villa Park is one of those grounds that I always look forward to playing at. The pitch is always fantastic, the atmosphere is always good and it's one of those historic grounds that you always remember. It's had FA Cup semi-finals and even England games when Wembley was being renovated so it's a very historic ground and it's somewhere I'm really looking forward to playing my club football."
Paul Lambert said: "Tom brings big game experience to the club, he's played international football for England and he still has great potential to kick on in his career.
"There's a lot of good football ahead of him if he performs the way we think he can perform and we're delighted to have been able to bring him in to join the group.
"Allied to the players we had brought in already during the window as well as the strong start we've made to the season, this is another good step forward and we want to continue to build on our progress into the season."
Basingstoke-born Cleverley started his youth career at Bradford City before moving to Manchester United in 2000 as an 11-year-old.
He came through the ranks at United, playing for the youth and reserve teams before moving to Leicester City on loan in January 2009.
He played 15 times for the East Midlands club and scored twice as they won promotion from League One.
He moved to Watford the following year on a season-long loan and played 33 times, scoring 11 goals and winning player of the year as the Hornets finished 11th.
He impressed during preseason with Manchester United in summer 2010, eventually joining Wigan Athletic on loan for the season. He played 25 times for the Latics and was one of the stand out performers as they finished 16th and retained their Premier League status. He scored three goals and assisted two more during his time at the DW Stadium.
He returned to Manchester United in 2011 and made his competitive debut for the club in the Community Shield victory against Manchester City in August. He endured several injuries but played a further 14 times in his first season with the team as they lost out to their city rivals on goal difference for the title.
In 2012-13 he played 22 Premier League matches for United, as well as five times in the Champions League and five more in domestic cups, proving a key figure for United as they won the Premier League title in Sir Alex Ferguson's last season at the club.
Last season he played 22 Premier League games, four in the Champions League and four in domestic cups. During his time with the first team, he has won a Premier League trophy and two Community Shields.
Cleverley has played 13 times for England, making his debut in England's first match after Euro 2012, against Italy at the Stade de Suisse in Bern.
He played a large part in England's qualification for the 2014 World Cup, playing in seven of the ten group H games. He also played five times for Great Britain during the 2012 Olympic Games.
Oh. Well excuse me! I don't know... You try and help out...
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These remarks are good, because it implies firstly that he likes passing football, and secondly that Lambert convinced him to come by saying we'll play football that he likes, implying passing football. This all ties in with Lambert's praise for the style on the weekend, and we are boofing it noticeably less this season.
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Thank you, GJ!
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He comes in for Richardson i think
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Welcome to Aston Villa Tom.
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He comes in for Richardson i think
Not sure Richardson deserves to be dropped to be honest. Bloody brilliant to have those sort of problems again, isn't it?
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These remarks are good, because it implies firstly that he likes passing football, and secondly that Lambert convinced him to come by saying we'll play football that he likes, implying passing football. This all ties in with Lambert's praise for the style on the weekend, and we are boofing it noticeably less this season.
The test will be when Benteke's back.
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Thank you, GJ!
I'm all happy now!
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It would be curious to know if we've agreed a fee if it were to be made permanent.
I cant see him signing for us in January or the end of the season, He has to be looking to put himself in the shop window, playing well and regularly and then lining himself up a Bosman next summer when "some club" will pay the £80,00 pw wages he thinks he is worth
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Aston Villa use picture of Tom Cleverley scoring against Aston Villa to celebrate him signing for Aston Villa... (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-use-picture-tom-4153038)
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"Villa Park is one of those grounds that I always look forward to playing at. The pitch is always fantastic, the atmosphere is always good and it's one of those historic grounds that you always remember."
I'm sure all Man Utd players love coming to Villa Park with the record Villa have against them.
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A day at work and you miss all the breaking news.
I was seething last night at his greed and apparent pissing us around. I am not going to say I'm over the moon we have someone like that in our dressing room, but if he does his job on the pitch and helps us win more games, I will forgive and forget.
If not, he can f**k off!
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"Villa Park is one of those grounds that I always look forward to playing at. The pitch is always fantastic, the atmosphere is always good and it's one of those historic grounds that you always remember."
I'm sure all Man Utd players love coming to Villa Park with the record Villa have against them.
Welcome Pleb! Which team do you support?
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If he's a Roman pleb it's gotta be The Villa!
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I think we should give credit where it's due. The people at Villa trying to get this deal done have got the better of Cleverley's agent, Everton and Manchester United.
We have gamed the regulations in our favour, and got a ruling from the Premier League that suits us.
For a club that supposed to be naive and a soft touch when it comes to transfer dealings, that's not bad going.
Is it any coincidence Paul Faulkner was not involved.
I dunno Faulkner played an absolute blinder on Jenas, Nzogbia, Ireland, Given. Hardly cost us a penny.
And a stonker with TSM
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Whatever the circumstances the money-grabbing twonk's a Villa player for now - let's hope he turns it on enough so that a massive club will give him a permanent deal....failing that he can f**k off.
A massive club like us, you mean?
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Option to buy? Very nice.
He replaces/challenges Westwood in my opinion.
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I'm very pleased he's joined us, welcome Tom.
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Whatever the circumstances the money-grabbing twonk's a Villa player for now - let's hope he turns it on enough so that a massive club will give him a permanent deal....failing that he can f**k off.
A massive club like us, you mean?
Not like us Leeg.
There's no club like us.
Just US!
:D
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Option to buy? Very nice.
He replaces/challenges Westwood in my opinion.
His contract at United is out at the end of the year. And I hope he'll play further forward than Westwood, who is very much a Carrick-type, because it was this attempt to turn him into a Carrick which appears to have stifled him at United.
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It amazes me that people can continue to be so abusive about the lad even after he has chosen to sign for us, Aston Villa, with this one fact being the only the thing we know for sure.
Don't get me wrong, I was there at 11:05 last night uttering various insults about his money-grabbing, preferring Everton, but clearly this was not entirely the case, all these journalists seem to base much on assumption.
It was down to personal terms i.e him being greedy, and possibly not that keen to come. Thats why some are being abusive.
He hasnt exactly covered himself in glory. If he really wanted to come he would have signed before. Its his prerogative but he suggestions he wasnt too keen are spot on. A loan is the best option for both parties.
Personally i don't rate him, but I will give him a chance to prove me wrong and support him when he is playing
Be interesting to see where PL plays him
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Option to buy? Very nice.
He replaces/challenges Westwood in my opinion.
His contract at United is out at the end of the year. And I hope he'll play further forward than Westwood, who is very much a Carrick-type, because it was this attempt to turn him into a Carrick which appears to have stifled him at United.
Thanks, I didn't know that. To be honest I can't remember how likes to play. I seem to recall he was as you say a bit like Richardson or even Bacuna, can kind of play anywhere.
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Presumably, as this is a loan , he won,t be available to play in our Games vs Manure (?) ...........Godzvilla!
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I'm so glad we got him and after reading that interview I hope he is going to be allowed some freedom and able to get in the box. We really need a player like that and by the sounds of it and with a massively improved midfield our play will be more emphasised on playing through the midfield. Exciting signing.
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Option to buy? Very nice.
He replaces/challenges Westwood in my opinion.
His contract at United is out at the end of the year. And I hope he'll play further forward than Westwood, who is very much a Carrick-type, because it was this attempt to turn him into a Carrick which appears to have stifled him at United.
Thanks, I didn't know that. To be honest I can't remember how likes to play. I seem to recall he was as you say a bit like Richardson or even Bacuna, can kind of play anywhere.
Yeah, let him be just as versatile as Bacuna except without the being utterly Shite at everything bit.
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Thanks, I didn't know that. To be honest I can't remember how likes to play. I seem to recall he was as you say a bit like Richardson or even Bacuna, can kind of play anywhere.
He is a bit, but his best form came at Wigan when playing mostly as a final-third sort of midfielder. He's no Xavi for vision or passing range, but he can be quite busy and sharp, with quick movement into space. He'd be best in the role Weimann played, which I suppose brings him in for Richardson, with Weimann wide.
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Option to buy? Very nice.
He replaces/challenges Westwood in my opinion.
His contract at United is out at the end of the year. And I hope he'll play further forward than Westwood, who is very much a Carrick-type, because it was this attempt to turn him into a Carrick which appears to have stifled him at United.
I see him playing on the right of a midfield three alongside Sanchez or Westwood and Delph. To be honest , that's could be the best midfield we've had for a number of seasons.
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Cheers Monty. Interesting!
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Riiight.
Can't say I wanted him and can't say the circumstances of him arriving fill me with confidence. I'd imagine his press conference will be interesting, sure the journalists won't take long to ask him if he wanted to join Everton.
Still he's here now so I back him. Good thing it's a loan so we're not lumbered with him on a 4 year deal like Ireland or Sidwell. To get a move here or elsewhere he'll have to play well.
As I said I didn't want him. I didn't want Senderos either or Hutton reintegrated back into the line up. Both have been superb so far. I was delighted when Ireland and N'zogbia joined, that turned out less well.
New signings are always difficult to predict. Hopefully Cleverley has enough motivation to prove a few people wrong which will be to our benefit.
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The comments don't really tally with what happened yesterday but I wish him all the best. Let's hope it works out like Custard Pants at Everton.
And well done Villa on screwing a great deal, on our terms, out of it when it looked like it had gone in the toilet.
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By the time he faces the journo's, he will have been spoon-fed his responses to the Everton question, and he will have had the time to learn it by rote.
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Ferguson did with him what he did with Anderson, and seems to have ruined them both. When Cleverley was at Wigan, and Anderson in Portugal, they both played very much as final-third players, with freedom to find space and not worry too much about tactical responsibility. Ferguson decided that both of them should actually play in a deep midfield two - these days, one of the hardest jobs in football. Hopefully we can play TC23 (TM) further forward, as that's what both the team and the player need to kick on.
Agree wholeheartedly with this Monty. I remember Anderson moving to Porto and thought he'd be a star there but Ferguson squeezed all the creativity out of him and what was left was next to nothing. No wonder he's looked on as a failure.
Cleverley should have the freedom to hopefully get up and down the pitch with Delph, not that I any faith in Lambert's tactics but I'd imagine we'll have Sanchez sitting deep with Westwood pushing further up than normal but giving support to Sanchez. Somebody mentioned Cleverley replacing Richardson but my guess (hope) is it will be N'Zogbia. We'll be solid in both defence and midfield for once and given the strikers at the club, hopefully they can return to concentrating to doing what they do best.
I didn't think we needed another defensive midfielder but if you're right, we actually could be on to something.
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Only just home and can't be arsed to trawl through the last 30-odd pages. My only comment is that between him and his agent they have delivered a master-class in how not to win friends and influence people. On that basis alone, he now better deliver four months of international-class football.
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So I'm in all day on transfer news day and fuck all happens until 2am after jizzing about Natalie sawyer
I have a quick look this morning and legion has locked everything
Fuck this I think I'm going work
I come home and read in 15 mins the days events and where we have signed Top cat on loan , well thank f@@k we didn't spunk 8 million on him as it looks an all win for villa.
I don't really rate him but he is an improvement on kea and cilla , who were both pretty poor to be fair but we can't lose having him on loan ,if he's shit baggies can have him in the championship next season.
Anyway can we have Canales on Friday please
Good luck top cat 23
Welcome to the greatest club you will ever play for.
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It was made known that we'd had a bid accepted so it was either money or him fancying another club.
I can't say I blame him on either, I take it he's not a Villa fan or wanting to play for charity.
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I think we should sign one each day for as long as we can brass neck it using the "Well you let Arsenal do it" defence.
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Seriously pleased with this, a season long loan much more sensible than an 8 million pound gamble, and with his contract up in the summer there's room to sign him if he plays well.
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Good signing in my opinion.
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Pat Murphy just said on 5 Live he's on the same wages he was on at United which is less than the highest earners at Villa.
Allegedly he was on £30k a week at Utd. That was probably why his agent was trying to screw a load more out of us initially.
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Nice to get one over Everton !
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He was on far more than that.
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Am a bit unsure so I think getting him on the loan is the right idea that way we can make the decission at the end of the season. He is good on the ball at least, and does like to keep the play simple which should help us keep the ball better.
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Good luck top cat 23
Welcome to the greatest club you will ever play for.
Very well said. I congratulate you, sir.
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Well it's up to him now to make it or break it. Obviously manure didn't want him so if has any pride he needs to stuff it down their throat by his performance on the pitch.
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The way it has worked out gives some 'cooling down' time on the wages issue for both the player and the club. We may be in a different position regarding an owner in January and the players wage demands may be different to what has been reported. I assume that we have to make a firm decision in January as to whether we are going to buy him or not.
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The way it has worked out gives some 'cooling down' time on the wages issue for both the player and the club. We may be in a different position regarding an owner in January and the players wage demands may be different to what has been reported. I assume that we have to make a firm decision in January as to whether we are going to buy him or not.
We've got him on loan for the season and his contract runs out in January. So 'buying' him isn't a consideration. It will be whether we want to sign him once his contract runs out, whether he wants to stay beyond the year, whether both parties can agree terms and who else might come in for him.
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Well I will be willing to give him a chance now he's a Villa player and all that
But he's going to have to play like the reincarnation of Johnny Giles to make me like the little twat
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Well I will be willing to give him a chance now he's a Villa player and all that
But he's going to have to play like the reincarnation of Johnny Giles to make me like the little twat
How very insulting.
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Let's give the lad a chance. A lot of the wage demand probably came from his agent. Personally, I welcome him and look forward to seeing him in a Villa shirt.
Well done to all concerned for this signing. Nice to get one over manure and Everton. Thought it was dead in the water last night.
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A welcome and unexpected boost to our title chase.
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If, as reported, we have him on a season long loan how can his contract end in January?
We are moving forward, a reassuring August for us as fans. By mid-July I was beginning to despair, but with very little outlay we have managed to put ourselves into a stronger position than we were in.
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Do we really have to call him Top Cat?
Surely there's only one Top Cat allowed on H&V ;)
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If, as reported, we have him on a season long loan how can his contract end in January?
Apparently there is a break clause.
So either we or somebody else can sign him permanently in January if all parties agree.
If that doesn't happen, we keep him until May. And either we then sign him for nothing, or somebody else does.
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If, as reported, we have him on a season long loan how can his contract end in January?
We are moving forward, a reassuring August for us as fans. By mid-July I was beginning to despair, but with very little outlay we have managed to put ourselves into a stronger position than we were in.
His contract with Man Ure runs out next summer........He can sign a pre-contract agreement (Bosman) with a foreign club next January
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Watching this has made me think a bit differently about what we are getting
http://youtu.be/t3-esOVsEwk
Never had him down as the aggressive type. Bit of Roy in there don't you think?
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Torygraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11071474/Tom-Cleverleys-agent-tests-patience-of-Aston-Villa-and-Manchester-United-as-deal-goes-to-the-wire.html)
Tom Cleverley's agent tests patience of Aston Villa and Manchester United as deal goes to the wire
Premier League board gives its approval 16 hours after transfer deadline as £8m loan move for midfielder almost collapses due to disagreements with agent over salary
By John Percy, and Mark Ogden
9:30PM BST 02 Sep 2014
Tom Cleverley completed a loan move to Aston Villa on Tuesday after Paul Lambert’s late bid was agreed by the Premier League more than 16 hours after the transfer deadline.
Cleverley, the Manchester United midfielder, has signed a season-long deal at Villa with the option of a permanent £7.5 million move in January, following a remarkable 24 hours of frantic negotiations.
Lambert was convinced he had missed out on the England international on Monday evening after both Villa and United grew exasperated with Cleverley’s adviser Simon Kennedy, but revived the deal as a loan arrangement minutes before the window officially closed at 11pm.
The Villa manager was still at the club’s Bodymoor Heath training ground in the early hours of Tuesday waiting to discover if the relevant paperwork had been received by the Premier League in time. But later in the afternoon he was informed Cleverley’s loan move had been ratified by the League after lengthy talks at board level.
Villa’s initial £8 million offer was accepted by United last week, as revealed by Telegraph Sport, and both Lambert and assistant manager Roy Keane had held talks with the 25-year-old in an attempt to convince him to join.
However, despite United agreeing the fee and a £2 million pay-off for Cleverley, the move appeared doomed on deadline day due to disagreements with Kennedy over salary expectations.
Both Villa and United were said to have been “furious and frustrated” over Kennedy’s conduct during the entire negotiation process, which started early last week.
En route to Villa’s training ground for a proposed medical, Kennedy is understood to have told United that Everton were prepared to pay Cleverley’s wages and the transfer fee and made alternative arrangements to travel to Finch Farm, the Merseysiders’ training base.
However, Everton chairman Bill Kenwright told Ed Woodward, United’s executive vice-chairman, they could not afford the deal so the move was scrapped.
Villa resurrected the deal towards the end of the deadline, after help from United, who was keen to assist Cleverley to establish himself at a new club with his first-team chances at Old Trafford bleak under new manager Louis van Gaal.
Both clubs were so disappointed with Kennedy’s conduct that it formed the basis of their plea to the Premier League to agree the deal, with the application considered at board level before it was finally sanctioned at about 3.30pm on Tuesday, the deal sheet having been submitted before the deadline. Kennedy was unavailable for comment on Tuesday.
The deal sheet, introduced in 2011, allows clubs to confirm a transfer has been reached, with the League then giving additional time for the remaining documentation to be submitted. With domestic transfers, such as that of Danny Welbeck’s £16 million move to Arsenal, teams have until 1am to provide the full paperwork. On Tuesday night, the Premier League said it was satisfied the Cleverley deal had been lodged in time.
Cleverley, meanwhile, is determined to seize his chance at Villa after being told he could leave by Van Gaal, claiming it was an “easy” decision to join.
He said: “I have got to get back playing and hopefully as a by-product of that I can get back in the England team. The thing I am concentrating on though is trying to come in and hit the ground running so I can help Aston Villa.
“Playing football is what matters most to me and I’m looking forward to getting back to what I know I can do. The prospect of working under the manager and Roy, who were both fantastic midfielders in their playing careers, made the decision to come to Villa an easy one.”
With less than 12 months left on his contract at Old Trafford, Cleverley will be free to speak to other clubs and could leave United permanently in January. Villa will have the first option on signing him if he impresses.
For Lambert, his capture of Cleverley represents a successful transfer window in which he has made six signings, including former England internationals Joe Cole and Kieran Richardson.
Villa, who are unbeaten in the league and have won two of their three games, are expected to give Cleverley his debut in the game at Liverpool after the international break.
Lambert said: “Tom brings big-game experience to the club, he’s played international football for England and he still has great potential to kick on in his career.”
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Certainly getting stuck in
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" The prospect of working under the manager and Roy, who were both fantastic midfielders in their playing careers, made the decision to come to Villa an easy one.”
We've signed a comedy genius!
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Hmmmm, I wonder what part of the agents conduct they were so pissed off about?
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" The prospect of working under the manager and Roy, who were both fantastic midfielders in their playing careers, made the decision to come to Villa an easy one.”
We've signed a comedy genius!
;D
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Watching this has made me think a bit differently about what we are getting
http://youtu.be/t3-esOVsEwk
Never had him down as the aggressive type. Bit of Roy in there don't you think?
A highlights video can always be misleading, but the most impressive thing from those clips (for me) is the urgency he had to get the ball forward and go and join in again - especially when possession was turned over.
He's a good addition - lower risk as initially a loan - and we now have some decent depth and options. I feel more positive than for a good while.
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The reason Tom has signed is simple: why languish in the lower reaches of the Premier League when you can join a top-three team?
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Do we really have to call him Top Cat?
Surely there's only one Top Cat allowed on H&V ;)
Indisputable
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After the usual disappointment of deadline day Im pleased to hear the headlines have gone from
VILLA DONE BY CLEVERLEY
To
CLEVERLY DONE BY VILLA
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Hmmmm, I wonder what part of the agents conduct they were so pissed off about?
Just sounds like he was playing all sides right up to the last second, probably after we and United thought we had a deal agreed. As an agent you're obviously going to want to pit one side against another to get the best offer for your client but it sounds like he took it too far.
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Do we really have to call him Top Cat?
Surely there's only one Top Cat allowed on H&V ;)
youre always the best and original
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Not keen on the player, but a loan deal is great option to allow us to see him in action and Tom to prove his quality and hunger without risking too much money.
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Incinserity is arrived in aston innit .
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My bet is that he will do OK just OK
and when the time comes that we have to stick or bust with our 7.5 mill
Most of us on here will be saying No thanks
Hope to be wrong obviously
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My bet is that he will do OK just OK
and when the time comes that we have to stick or bust with our 7.5 mill
Most of us on here will be saying No thanks
Hope to be wrong obviously
Is he not in the last year of his contract at United?
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My bet is that he will do OK just OK
and when the time comes that we have to stick or bust with our 7.5 mill
Most of us on here will be saying No thanks
Hope to be wrong obviously
Is he not in the last year of his contract at United?
Yep. If he's got any sense he will be working his conkers off this season trying to drum up interest for when he is a free agent next summer.
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My bet is that he will do OK just OK
and when the time comes that we have to stick or bust with our 7.5 mill
Most of us on here will be saying No thanks
Hope to be wrong obviously
I'd imagine you will be.
He'll be a free agent at the end of his loan deal. He'll cost nowt.
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What kind of midfielder is he? Attacking, creative ? Must admit haven't seen too much of him.
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What kind of midfielder is he? Attacking, creative ? Must admit haven't seen too much of him.
He is a tidy give and go type player, runs around a lot, he does tackle but mis times a few.
Decent engine as the say, manure fans did not think he had enough quality to be in the team.
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A most salient point to bear in mind is that PL and RK have pursued this player with considerable determination.
Given the state of the club, we have no choice but to hope they know what they are doing.
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Welcome Tom, now let's see that potential do the talking...
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A most salient point to bear in mind is that PL and RK have pursued this player with considerable determination.
Given the state of the club, we have no choice but to hope they know what they are doing.
the state of the club is that we are for sale, not bankrupt or remotely close to it.
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A most salient point to bear in mind is that PL and RK have pursued this player with considerable determination.
Given the state of the club, we have no choice but to hope they know what they are doing.
the state of the club is that we are for sale, not bankrupt or remotely close to it.
Precisely. But the budget is severely constrained, so there is little room for error in this, our latest transitional phase.
Between the two of them, I reckon they have got this right. We will see.
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Pat Murphy just said on 5 Live he's on the same wages he was on at United which is less than the highest earners at Villa.
Allegedly he was on £30k a week at Utd. That was probably why his agent was trying to screw a load more out of us initially.
The original report of that figure stated that this was the basic wage, and that the contract was "heavily incentivised".
Given what we have since learned about his agent, this does not surprise me at all.
As an aside, does anybody remember MoNs dream of doing contracts this way, or his reticence at spending RL's dosh on wages in the early in his tenure?
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Why are the Telegraph reporting a £7.5m option to buy in Jan? We have him til the end of the season when he becomes a free agent so I don't see how a transfer fee, particularly a silly one like seven mill when the player is coming to the end of his deal, is relevant.
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So I'm in all day on transfer news day and fuck all happens until 2am after jizzing about Natalie sawyer
I have a quick look this morning and legion has locked everything
Fuck this I think I'm going work
I come home and read in 15 mins the days events and where we have signed Top cat on loan , well thank f@@k we didn't spunk 8 million on him as it looks an all win for villa.
I don't really rate him but he is an improvement on kea and cilla , who were both pretty poor to be fair but we can't lose having him on loan ,if he's shit baggies can have him in the championship next season.
Anyway can we have Canales on Friday please
Good luck top cat 23
Welcome to the greatest club you will ever play for.
A fantastic post in many ways. Reminiscent of Hubbard at his peak.
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There is a very interesting article in The Telegraph explaining exactly how the whole transfer 'saga' unfolded (well done to the Villa, and MU apparently, for 'cutting out' the agent to complete the deal).
I think that it's a win/win deal for us and there is big pressure on Cleverley to perform or he'll be back at MU, plus we will only be paying part of his wages. (Deal done by our new CEO I presume).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11071474/Tom-Cleverleys-agent-tests-patience-of-Aston-Villa-and-Manchester-United-as-deal-goes-to-the-wire.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11071474/Tom-Cleverleys-agent-tests-patience-of-Aston-Villa-and-Manchester-United-as-deal-goes-to-the-wire.html)
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Why are the Telegraph reporting a £7.5m option to buy in Jan? We have him til the end of the season when he becomes a free agent so I don't see how a transfer fee, particularly a silly one like seven mill when the player is coming to the end of his deal, is relevant.
I think a few have mentioned that there is a break clause in the loan in Jan so if he is doing very well, or very poorly, we, or someone else, has the option to buy in Jan, if not his contract expires at the end of the season and he can do what he wants.
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In that case the 7.5 million option to buy in January can be filed under 'least likely things to happen' - along with Darren Bent scoring 20 goals this season.
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No, you'd assume that clause was at Utd's request.
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An all round binder by us I think. We have the use of him, if he has an ounce of intelligence he will buckle down to rebuild his career. If he does an Ireland we can send him back. It it also very heartening to see greedy agents being put in their place at long last. Well done to all concerned. If this move does not energise Cleverley, it will certainly keep Westwood on his mettle.
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But the deal reduces Tubby Cole to the status of impact ball boy (if fit).
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In that case the 7.5 million option to buy in January can be filed under 'least likely things to happen' - along with Darren Bent scoring 20 goals this season.
Bent should have 3 already this season ;)
UTV
The Doc
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Tom Cleverley 'To Do' list
1/ Sack Agent for being such a t*at
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Bloody hell, at my company's national conference at the Excel Centre, have just run to the Boleyn Ground and back, turn on my computer, tune in to H and V (getting my priorities right!) and this has happened...
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In that case the 7.5 million option to buy in January can be filed under 'least likely things to happen' - along with Darren Bent scoring 20 goals this season.
Yes I can't see how we would pay MU £7.5 million for TC23 for 6 months when we could get him for free in June.
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In that case the 7.5 million option to buy in January can be filed under 'least likely things to happen' - along with Darren Bent scoring 20 goals this season.
Yes I can't see how we would pay MU £7.5 million for TC23 for 6 months when we could get him for free in June.
I imagine we have paid quite a high loan fee to offset some of this ?
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In that case the 7.5 million option to buy in January can be filed under 'least likely things to happen' - along with Darren Bent scoring 20 goals this season.
Yes I can't see how we would pay MU £7.5 million for TC23 for 6 months when we could get him for free in June.
Wouldn't the clause be there so if he does really well it allows someone else to come in and buy him in January, if we cant/wont, and Man Utd then get something rather than nothing? They are the only ones it benefits as far as I can see.
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Isn't the idea that if he does really well we get first option in Jan, for a £7.5m premium, rather than waiting till next summer and avoiding the fee but risking other clubs coming in for him?
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Isn't the idea that if he does really well we get first option in Jan, for a £7.5m premium, rather than waiting till next summer and avoiding the fee but risking other clubs coming in for him?
He can talk to other clubs in January.
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Only foreign clubs isn't it?
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At the risk of sounding cliched I think this is a win win deal for us and as has been said already he should be playing his guts out to resurrect his career if only for his next deal.
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According to the BBC the Sun is reporting that Cleverly called Lambert personally to resurrect the deal.
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According to the BBC the Sun is reporting that Cleverly called Lambert personally to resurrect the deal.
Yes, and we really ought to give him a massive 'welcome to VP' ... he's a class act.
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Isn't the idea that if he does really well we get first option in Jan, for a £7.5m premium, rather than waiting till next summer and avoiding the fee but risking other clubs coming in for him?
There's absolutely no chance he'll be good enough for us to warrant that sort of fee being paid in January.
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According to the BBC the Sun is reporting that Cleverly called Lambert personally to resurrect the deal.
Yes, and we really ought to give him a massive 'welcome to VP' ... he's a class act.
I agree. The anger about his supposed greed was based on a fuck all and guess work and wasn't nice to see.
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If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him. Unless he has a change of heart and decides that Villa really is the place for him rather than an Everton fall-back plan, I can't seen him accepting a deal here at that point.
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If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him.
I think he'll Stay. He won't want to be shunted from station to station.
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If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him.
I think he'll Stay. He won't want to be shunted from station to station.
Tom could be a Major signing for us.
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Isn't the idea that if he does really well we get first option in Jan, for a £7.5m premium, rather than waiting till next summer and avoiding the fee but risking other clubs coming in for him?
There's absolutely no chance he'll be good enough for us to warrant that sort of fee being paid in January.
You could make the same argument about £8m for him this window though. Bottom line is it's a trade off between securing a player for a premium or waiting and taking a chance he will go elsewhere.
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If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him.
I think he'll Stay. He won't want to be shunted from station to station.
Maybe Tom will sign a new contract and play for Villa during the Golden Years of his career
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If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him.
I think he'll Stay. He won't want to be shunted from station to station.
Maybe Tom will sign a new contract and play for Villa during the Golden Years of his career
Cue much Sorrow if he doesn't.
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If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him.
I think he'll Stay. He won't want to be shunted from station to station.
Maybe Tom will sign a new contract and play for Villa during the Golden Years of his career
A New Career in a New Town could be just what he needs to become a Future Legend.
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If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him.
I think he'll Stay. He won't want to be shunted from station to station.
Maybe Tom will sign a new contract and play for Villa during the Golden Years of his career
A New Career in a New Town could be just what he needs to become a Future Legend.
At least now we can make Changes in midfield.
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When it was announced yesterday Villa said it was a loan till the end of the season. I've just read in today's Mail that he's only here till January with a view to a permanent transfer. Which one is it?
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If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him.
I think he'll Stay. He won't want to be shunted from station to station.
Tom could be a Major signing for us.
see what you did with that.
you Bowie fan you.
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When it was announced yesterday Villa said it was a loan till the end of the season. I've just read in today's Mail that he's only here till January with a view to a permanent transfer. Which one is it?
It's a season long loan with a purchase option for us and a recall option for them in January.
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When it was announced yesterday Villa said it was a loan till the end of the season. I've just read in today's Mail that he's only here till January with a view to a permanent transfer. Which one is it?
I heard he's here on a season long loan, but that Man United have an option to recall him in January.
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I always thought that the "owning" club could recall their loanee at any point? no?
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When it was announced yesterday Villa said it was a loan till the end of the season. I've just read in today's Mail that he's only here till January with a view to a permanent transfer. Which one is it?
I heard he's here on a season long loan, but that Man United have an option to recall him in January.
Or Villa to buy him.
It gives us an option to see how he performs and if he's worth £7m.
Is it true he spent a day at BH then when he heard Everton was interested he did a quick return to the North West? He's obviously keen on coming to B6 :-\
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Whatever the deal is I'm glad he's here. He may not be good enough for Man Utd but he's certainly good enough for us, and he's an upgrade on Westwood. Our midfield has been a weak spot for over the last few years and it looks like we're finally doing something about it.
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When it was announced yesterday Villa said it was a loan till the end of the season. I've just read in today's Mail that he's only here till January with a view to a permanent transfer. Which one is it?
I heard he's here on a season long loan, but that Man United have an option to recall him in January.
I think there is a break clause for a period in January on either side but I assume that is just precautionary. e.g. he's rubbish, he's homesick or they have a massive injury crisis.
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When it was announced yesterday Villa said it was a loan till the end of the season. I've just read in today's Mail that he's only here till January with a view to a permanent transfer. Which one is it?
I heard he's here on a season long loan, but that Man United have an option to recall him in January.
I think there is a break clause for a period in January on either side but I assume that is just precautionary. e.g. he's rubbish, he's homesick or they have a massive injury crisis.
Or if we choose not to buy him in January Man United will call him back? No doubt they want something for him and won't want him walking away free at the end of the season.
Whatever, I just hope he can do a job for us this season.
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If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him.
I think he'll Stay. He won't want to be shunted from station to station.
Tom could be a Major signing for us.
see what you did with that.
you Bowie fan you.
Perceptive.
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If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him.
I think he'll Stay. He won't want to be shunted from station to station.
Maybe Tom will sign a new contract and play for Villa during the Golden Years of his career
A New Career in a New Town could be just what he needs to become a Future Legend.
At least now we can make Changes in midfield.
If he can produce what he's supposedly capable of he could well end up being our Starman. Might be worth a Five Years contract then.
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If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him.
I think he'll Stay. He won't want to be shunted from station to station.
Maybe Tom will sign a new contract and play for Villa during the Golden Years of his career
A New Career in a New Town could be just what he needs to become a Future Legend.
At least now we can make Changes in midfield.
If he can produce what he's supposedly capable of he could well end up being our Starman. Might be worth a Five Years contract then.
Mind you, I remember thinking that about Jean Genie Makoun.
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If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him.
I think he'll Stay. He won't want to be shunted from station to station.
Maybe Tom will sign a new contract and play for Villa during the Golden Years of his career
A New Career in a New Town could be just what he needs to become a Future Legend.
At least now we can make Changes in midfield.
If he can produce what he's supposedly capable of he could well end up being our Starman. Might be worth a Five Years contract then.
If not his value will be low and van Gaal will not be the man who sold the world class midfielder.
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If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him.
I think he'll Stay. He won't want to be shunted from station to station.
Maybe Tom will sign a new contract and play for Villa during the Golden Years of his career
A New Career in a New Town could be just what he needs to become a Future Legend.
At least now we can make Changes in midfield.
If he can produce what he's supposedly capable of he could well end up being our Starman. Might be worth a Five Years contract then.
He's good with the ball at his feet. Excellent ground control.
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I'm hoping Gardner excels in the Championship, returns in January from loan and gets the Fame and recognition he deserves after the nasty injuries he's been through.
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What a messy transfer this was. It's enough to drive a lad insane.
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Regarding the fee that's been mentioned to make the deal permanent, I was told this morning that his age means that United would still be due a fee once his contract expires. I know that's true for younger players but I thought Cleverley was out of that age bracket.
Also tried to find this article about Cleverley making a desperate, last ditch phone call to Lambert to try and resurrect the deal. I couldn't figure out The Sun's navigation on their website though. Awful design.
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If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him.
I think he'll Stay. He won't want to be shunted from station to station.
Maybe Tom will sign a new contract and play for Villa during the Golden Years of his career
A New Career in a New Town could be just what he needs to become a Future Legend.
At least now we can make Changes in midfield.
If he can produce what he's supposedly capable of he could well end up being our Starman. Might be worth a Five Years contract then.
Mind you, I remember thinking that about Jean Genie Makoun.
Post of the month.
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If someone gets 'Chant of the ever circling skeletal family' into this, I'll be really impressed. In fact I might love you till Tuesday.
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He could be a Holte end Hero just for one day, now he's escaped thosescary monsters and super creeps, he just needs to put on his Red shoes in the serious moonlight, and thank our young American all right.
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he can put on his red boots and trounce the blues
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If someone gets 'Chant of the ever circling skeletal family' into this, I'll be really impressed. In fact I might love you till Tuesday.
To Jona Lewie’s – “You’ll never stop the Cavalry”
Hey Mr Lambert
Look over here
The boy is doing splendidly
He’s not very old
But watch him go
Fighting against the enemy
He’s not very tough
But he can play rough
And you’ll never stop Cleverley….
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Something, something Laughing Gnome, something, something Tin Machine, something, something Labyrinth.
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If someone gets 'Chant of the ever circling skeletal family' into this, I'll be really impressed. In fact I might love you till Tuesday.
To Jona Lewie’s – “You’ll never stop the Cavalry”
Hey Mr Lambert
Look over here
The boy is doing splendidly
He’s not very old
But watch him go
Fighting against the enemy
He’s not very tough
But he can play rough
And you’ll never stop Cleverley….
And then he'll sing "Wish I was at Goodison ...for Christmas..."
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Something, something Laughing Gnome, something, something Tin Machine, something, something Labyrinth.
Something something, art students trying to be rock stars, something something, rock star trying to be an art student
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David Beckham expressed disappointment about Danny Welbeck's move to Arsenal. I wonder if the chat of the ever smirking skeletor family turned to Cleverley?
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Something, something Laughing Gnome, something, something Tin Machine, something, something Labyrinth.
Something something, art students trying to be rock stars, something something, rock star trying to be an art student
[Peter Griffin] Something......something.....something.........Darkside[/Peter Griffin]
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Something, something Laughing Gnome, something, something Tin Machine, something, something Labyrinth.
Is that really what Lambert says in his post match interviews?
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With such a troublesome agent, I hope that if we sign him he doesn't become a contract Rebel Rebel.
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Fear not Percy, everything is now hunky dory.
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We'll be alright as long as he's not Got A Habit of Leaving in January.
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If he turns out to be really good we'll be dancing in the street or he'll be here today, gone tomorrow.
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Ah hear this Thomas Cleverley
I wrote a song for you....
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Never mind bend over backwards, we're ran up the hill backwards to get him on board.
Apparently, Lambert was very sympathetic to him when Tom rang personally, bursting down in tears and exclaiming to Lambo, in between sobs, that "I've never done anything out of the blue".
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This aint manu this is ASTON VILLA, the year of the scavenger the season of the bitch, just another ball player thats been dragged onto the pitch, we keep our team so real, they come.
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Reading this shite it's little wonder he wanted to go to Everton.
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He's a modern footballer. He wanted to make the best choice for his career, and at one stage that looked much more like Everton than us, then it turned out to be us. We should perhaps be a little more thick-skinned than, say, hormonal adolescents over this. This is the real world, and he wouldn't be at Villa if he didn't think it was a good option for him.
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He's a modern footballer. He wanted to make the best choice for his career, and at one stage that looked much more like Everton than us, then it turned out to be us. We should perhaps be a little more thick-skinned than, say, hormonal adolescents over this. This is the real world, and he wouldn't be at Villa if he didn't think it was a good option for him.
Quite right, everything is Hunky Dory.
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He's a modern footballer. He wanted to make the best choice for his career, and at one stage that looked much more like Everton than us, then it turned out to be us. We should perhaps be a little more thick-skinned than, say, hormonal adolescents over this. This is the real world, and he wouldn't be at Villa if he didn't think it was a good option for him.
Quite right, everything is Hunky Dory.
Pay attention Chris. Did you skip TSOV's post in anticipation of yet another shit Weller joke?
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Reading this shite it's little wonder he wanted to go to Everton.
I have it on good authority that he decided on us because Lambert told he could play Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere. So Everything's Alright.
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He's a modern footballer. He wanted to make the best choice for his career, and at one stage that looked much more like Everton than us, then it turned out to be us. We should perhaps be a little more thick-skinned than, say, hormonal adolescents over this. This is the real world, and he wouldn't be at Villa if he didn't think it was a good option for him.
Quite right, everything is Hunky Dory.
It reminds me of the "Colemanball"....."he was great at weighing up his options, especially when he had none".
I am sure I have made that up/butchered it.
Anyhow I agree.....we all love the Villa and so take any slight personally. He is a young footballer that wants to earn as much as possible playing for the best team he can.
At the moment, that is us.
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He's a modern footballer. He wanted to make the best choice for his career, and at one stage that looked much more like Everton than us, then it turned out to be us. We should perhaps be a little more thick-skinned than, say, hormonal adolescents over this. This is the real world, and he wouldn't be at Villa if he didn't think it was a good option for him.
Quite right, everything is Hunky Dory.
Pay attention Chris. Did you skip TSOV's post in anticipation of yet another shit Weller joke?
Does he still post? Hadn't noticed.
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What a messy transfer this was. It's enough to drive a lad insane.
Oh you petty things don't you know you're driving your mama and papa insane?
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What a messy transfer this was. It's enough to drive a lad insane.
Oh you petty things don't you know you're driving your mama and papa insane?
Let's face it, Tom; if you stay with us you're gonna be pretty kookie too.
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After the transfer saga he's going to be Under Pressure to perform.
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Reading this shite it's little wonder he wanted to go to Everton.
Was that an obscure B-Side ?
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Reading this shite it's little wonder he wanted to go to Everton.
Was that an obscure B-Side ?
An obscure A side from the jungle years. I've been pondering whether he could play in the hole. As in holes.
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Reading this shite it's little wonder he wanted to go to Everton.
Was that an obscure B-Side ?
Shame on you Redsox. You need to brush up on your Bowie Earthling album.
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Fuck Bowie, fuck Everton and fuck these puns!
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Tom's girlfriend apparently. Although I reckon he'd be better off with a nice China girl
(http://www.7msport.com/news/upload_img/20120921/31_2012092111555578.jpg)
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Tom's girlfriend apparently. Although I reckon he'd be better off with a nice China girl
(http://www.7msport.com/news/upload_img/20120921/31_2012092111555578.jpg)
China Girl? Just you shut your mouth.
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You sound as though you have Sense of Doubt
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Not a huge Bowie fan but if he turned Everton down for us I'll give him my support.
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You sound as though you have Sense of Doubt
No I read it in the tea leaves.
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Tom's girlfriend apparently. Although I reckon he'd be better off with a nice China girl
(http://www.7msport.com/news/upload_img/20120921/31_2012092111555578.jpg)
China Girl? Just you shut your mouth.
No need for the abuse. That's low.
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peace on earth , can it be
little drummer boy
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Fuck Bowie, fuck Everton and fuck these puns!
scary monster
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It's quite incredible the amount of footballer's partners who have problems keeping their clothes on these days.
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thats ok with me, but Der Hammer your partner can keep their clothes on for me,
Thank you
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Tom's girlfriend apparently. Although I reckon he'd be better off with a nice China girl
(http://www.7msport.com/news/upload_img/20120921/31_2012092111555578.jpg)
China Girl? Just you shut your mouth.
No need for the abuse. That's low.
She's certainly a pin-up.
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I reckon he'll be smiling and waving and looking so fine in his villa kit.
A punathon i will actually chip into. This will not happen often, but as it's bowie...
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Apparently, one journalist told him 'the papers want to know whose shirt you wear'.
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Apparently, one journalist told him 'the papers want to know whose shirt you wear'.
And I’m floating in a most peculiar way
And The Sty looks very different today
I don't know why I said that, it doesn't follow, and introduces an irrelevancy (the Sty), it just sprang to mind.
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Why won't you all stop?
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Movement off the ball has been a problem in our squad for years.
If Tom's good at this, he'll be a real space oddity.
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Why won't you all stop?
Which album is that on?
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Why won't you all stop?
Because...because... erm...
I Can't Explain.
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thats ok with me, but Der Hammer your partner can keep their clothes on for me,
Thank you
Had anbody else forgotten he was gay until trying to work out this 'joke'?
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thats ok with me, but Der Hammer your partner can keep their clothes on for me,
Thank you
Had anbody else forgotten he was gay until trying to work out this 'joke'?
don't be frightened of naked, gay men.
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thats ok with me, but Der Hammer your partner can keep their clothes on for me,
Thank you
Had anbody else forgotten he was gay until trying to work out this 'joke'?
don't be frightened of naked, gay men.
unless off course they are all virgin soldiers
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After the transfer saga he's going to be Under Pressure to perform.
Lets hope Lambert can manage all the Ch.. Ch... Ch... Ch.. Changes
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I reckon he'll be smiling and waving and looking so fine in his villa kit.
I expect in January we'll be getting him signed to a contract for the next five years.
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He'll arrive at BMH in his TVC15. Let's hope he brings no Sorrow, with his girlfriend's long blonde hair.
Regarding his playing role, he'll go from Station to Station, covering every blade of grass.
I'll get real Low if he fails.
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Diamond geezer or Diamond Dog: what do you reckon?
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Can he turn to the left and turn to the right?
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Diamond geezer or Diamond Dog: what do you reckon?
Just a Rebel Rebel
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I've never known how to pronounce his name.
Is it Day-vid or Daveed Bowie?
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Well done to the club for calling the little scrote and his agents bluff ensuring he had to crawl to get the move.
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Well at least he's had some top of the table experience, he not just an absolute beginner
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Van Gaal didn't really want him to go, loaning him with much sorrow and saying '...never let me down'. I just hope he becomes one of our heroes otherwise Lambert could be a dead man walking. Anyway, I'm going to drive in (a week on) Saturday, to see him at Anfield.
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If his spell here turns out to be like a period of Bowie's career, here's hoping it isn't the Tin Machine era.
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Fucking hell, hours later and the puns are still going. I love this site but sometimes I hate it.
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Cleverley has admitted that after the actions of his agent on deadline day he was left feeling "unwashed and slightly dazed" but that joining Villa had been an "occasional dream" throughout his childhood and was over the moon to finally "join the gang".
Crowbar. Bowie. Finished.
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Fucking hell, hours later and the puns are still going. I love this site but sometimes I hate it.
Calm down!
Hang on to yourself!
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I still haven't worked out why the Bowie puns started.
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I still haven't worked out why the Bowie puns started.
We were calling him TC23 sarcastically (that's what he called his "brand"), and UKR made a Bowie joke out of it:
If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him. Unless he has a change of heart and decides that Villa really is the place for him rather than an Everton fall-back plan, I can't seen him accepting a deal here at that point.
That's all it takes.
(TVC15 is a bowie song)
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Right. Never heard it, or of it.
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I was lost on how it all began.
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I still haven't worked out why the Bowie puns started.
We were calling him TC23 sarcastically (that's what he called his "brand"), and UKR made a Bowie joke out of it:
If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him. Unless he has a change of heart and decides that Villa really is the place for him rather than an Everton fall-back plan, I can't seen him accepting a deal here at that point.
That's all it takes.
(TVC15 is a bowie song)
But that was 10.54 am. For the love of god isn't over 11 hours of shite puns enough?
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I still haven't worked out why the Bowie puns started.
We were calling him TC23 sarcastically (that's what he called his "brand"), and UKR made a Bowie joke out of it:
If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him. Unless he has a change of heart and decides that Villa really is the place for him rather than an Everton fall-back plan, I can't seen him accepting a deal here at that point.
That's all it takes.
(TVC15 is a bowie song)
But that was 10.54 am. For the love of god isn't over 11 hours of shite puns enough?
Got something better to do?
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Okay, we've suffragette citied enough now.
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I still haven't worked out why the Bowie puns started.
We were calling him TC23 sarcastically (that's what he called his "brand"), and UKR made a Bowie joke out of it:
If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him. Unless he has a change of heart and decides that Villa really is the place for him rather than an Everton fall-back plan, I can't seen him accepting a deal here at that point.
That's all it takes.
(TVC15 is a bowie song)
But that was 10.54 am. For the love of god isn't over 11 hours of shite puns enough?
Its not quite that long is it, my clock says 4.54.
My mistake, the settings on the ipad clock are wrong, this is not America.
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I still haven't worked out why the Bowie puns started.
We were calling him TC23 sarcastically (that's what he called his "brand"), and UKR made a Bowie joke out of it:
If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him. Unless he has a change of heart and decides that Villa really is the place for him rather than an Everton fall-back plan, I can't seen him accepting a deal here at that point.
That's all it takes.
(TVC15 is a bowie song)
But that was 10.54 am. For the love of god isn't over 11 hours of shite puns enough?
Got something better to do?
Let's dance instead.
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I don't understand the negativity. I mean, we're just discussing a lad starting A New Career In A New Town.
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I don't understand the negativity. I mean, we're just discussing a lad starting A New Career In A New Town.
Is that really the best you can do Under Pressure?
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I still haven't worked out why the Bowie puns started.
We were calling him TC23 sarcastically (that's what he called his "brand"), and UKR made a Bowie joke out of it:
If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him. Unless he has a change of heart and decides that Villa really is the place for him rather than an Everton fall-back plan, I can't seen him accepting a deal here at that point.
That's all it takes.
(TVC15 is a bowie song)
But that was 10.54 am. For the love of god isn't over 11 hours of shite puns enough?
Its not quite that long is it, my clock says 4.54.
My mistake, the settings on the ipad clock are wrong, this is not America.
*nods*
effortless, Mr Withe, effortless.
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I don't understand the negativity. I mean, we're just discussing a lad starting A New Career In A New Town.
Is that really the best you can do Under Pressure?
Sorry! It was either that or wait for one of the Johns to post and then reply about only dancing, and I'm not doing that (again).
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I can't wait for when one of the threads turns into a Vengaboys punathon. It is inevitable.
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I can't wait for when one of the threads turns into a Vengaboys punathon. It is inevitable.
Think we'd all have to look them up on wiki for a song title. I'd hope so anyway.
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I can't wait for when one of the threads turns into a Vengaboys punathon. It is inevitable.
Think we'd all have to look them up on wiki for a song title. I'd hope so anyway.
Ha yeah, i would hope so, i had a friend once who was a massive vengaboys fan. Who the fuck is a massive vengaboys fan? We parted ways.
Catchy shit though.
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I can't wait for when one of the threads turns into a Vengaboys punathon. It is inevitable.
Think we'd all have to look them up on wiki for a song title. I'd hope so anyway.
Well we do tend to be Up and Down* game to game.
*I only know that one as I had an ace lapdance to that song in Legs11 years ago.
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This is the darkest day in H&V history. It's like the sack of Rome or something.
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I still haven't worked out why the Bowie puns started.
We were calling him TC23 sarcastically (that's what he called his "brand"), and UKR made a Bowie joke out of it:
If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him. Unless he has a change of heart and decides that Villa really is the place for him rather than an Everton fall-back plan, I can't seen him accepting a deal here at that point.
That's all it takes.
(TVC15 is a bowie song)
Dear H&V
I apologise if anyone was offended by me starting all this
Yours insincerely
Ulysses Karl Redsox
(Actually I'm more ashamed of missing the 'Little Wonder' pun. In my defence, all my puns came from memory and Bowie's last decent album was 'Scary Monsters')
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I still haven't worked out why the Bowie puns started.
We were calling him TC23 sarcastically (that's what he called his "brand"), and UKR made a Bowie joke out of it:
If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him. Unless he has a change of heart and decides that Villa really is the place for him rather than an Everton fall-back plan, I can't seen him accepting a deal here at that point.
That's all it takes.
(TVC15 is a bowie song)
Dear H&V
I apologise if anyone was offended by me starting all this
Yours insincerely
Ulysses Karl Redsox
(Actually I'm more ashamed of missing the 'Little Wonder' pun. In my defence, all my puns came from memory and Bowie's last decent album was 'Scary Monsters')
Super Creep
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I still haven't worked out why the Bowie puns started.
We were calling him TC23 sarcastically (that's what he called his "brand"), and UKR made a Bowie joke out of it:
If TVC15 plays well enough for Villa to even consider paying £7.5m for him in January, he will have plenty of other clubs interested in him. Unless he has a change of heart and decides that Villa really is the place for him rather than an Everton fall-back plan, I can't seen him accepting a deal here at that point.
That's all it takes.
(TVC15 is a bowie song)
But that was 10.54 am. For the love of god isn't over 11 hours of shite puns enough?
Its not quite that long is it, my clock says 4.54.
My mistake, the settings on the ipad clock are wrong, this is not America.
*nods*
effortless, Mr Withe, effortless.
You should always adjust your clock station to station.
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This is the darkest day in H&V history.
I think that appellation goes to the day of the 'all-over shaving' thread, Ads.
[shudders]
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Dear H&V
I apologise if anyone was offended by me starting all this
Yours insincerely
Ulysses Karl Redsox
(Actually I'm more ashamed of missing the 'Little Wonder' pun. In my defence, all my puns came from memory and Bowie's last decent album was 'Scary Monsters')
I take issue with that last statement and am forced to offer you Outside, you Heathen.
Who'd have thought 24 Hours... ago that the punathon would still be carrying on The Next Day? I'll stop now.
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Apparently the game he's really looking forward to is Albion away in December. He's reported to have possibly said..."I really like playing in local Derbys and our game with our neighbours in December is when I intend to make the Black Country Rock."
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Apparently the game he's really looking forward to is Albion away in December. He's reported to have possibly said..."I really like playing in local Derbys and our game with our neighbours in December is when I intend to make the Black Country Rock."
After All he might enjoy playing in front of All The Madmen and decide to stay at the Villa for Five Years. Thus joining The Supermen of Villa history.
............ Hello, my names UK Redsox and I'm a punaholic.
Please can a Mod re-lock this thread now and save us from ourselves.
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Good article in Telegraph reporting that his agent was acting like a grade A Tosser.
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Got a link?
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This one? (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11071474/Tom-Cleverleys-agent-tests-patience-of-Aston-Villa-and-Manchester-United-as-deal-goes-to-the-wire.html)
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Are we sure we signed Cleverley,
the pictures look like Wieman, I'm going to struggle telling them apart with my eyesight
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That article does bring to light a different perspective on what took place at the deadline. However it still begs the question, wouldn't the client have been fully informed of the actions of his agent? I can't believe that the agent had acted independently as much of a clock he appears to be.
Anyway, it's done now so let's hope he proves on the pitch why coming to Villa was such an easy decision.
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I don't know if this has already been said somewhere but I heard the agent on talksport about mid afternoon on deadline day.
He said that Hull, Villa & Everton were all in with a chance of signing Cleverley, it was just going to be down to which one of them was prepared to dig deepest to lure him with the most money.
In itself that is probably pretty crass in its directness but it was particularly the way he said it that made him sound like a total arse.
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I don't know if this has already been said somewhere but I heard the agent on talksport about mid afternoon on deadline day.
He said that Hull, Villa & Everton were all in with a chance of signing Cleverley, it was just going to be down to which one of them was prepared to dig deepest to lure him with the most money.
In itself that is probably pretty crass in its directness but it was particularly the way he said it that made him sound like a total arse.
Crikey, that's pretty straight up about it all. How classless.
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Even more surprising given everything we have experienced of late that he ended up with us.
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Does literally every thread now have to end in a self effacing "oh look at us" we're so self demeaning but jovial, realistically and comfortably positioned no marks and happy in our own skin , red cafe, rawk, even TBAR, cone look at us, laugh with us, together, hahaha.
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Does literally every thread now have to end in a self effacing "oh look at us" we're so self demeaning but jovial, realistically and comfortably positioned no marks and happy in our own skin , red cafe, rawk, even TBAR, cone look at us, laugh with us, together, hahaha.
Not really but given everything we've experienced on H&V of late I'm amazed that we ended up keeping you.
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Does literally every thread now have to end in a self effacing "oh look at us" we're so self demeaning but jovial, realistically and comfortably positioned no marks and happy in our own skin , red cafe, rawk, even TBAR, cone look at us, laugh with us, together, hahaha.
The irony of you of all people criticising others for sounding like a predictable, broken record.
I think I might need a sit down to get over that.
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It's not a criticism . It's an observation.
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Does literally every thread now have to end in a self effacing "oh look at us" we're so self demeaning but jovial, realistically and comfortably positioned no marks and happy in our own skin , red cafe, rawk, even TBAR, cone look at us, laugh with us, together, hahaha.
The irony of you of all people criticising others for sounding like a predictable, broken record.
I think I might need a sit down to get over that.
It's a long lie down Paulie that you need. I might take the week off to get over the irony.
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Well. Guess where I was when I heard this news?. 4000ft up the biggest mountain in Great Britain! Wondering why I do these things at my age I observed a fellow in a Man United shirt who had stopped to catch his breath. He came from Manchester 'a few of us do y'know' and was furious that Van Gaal had let Kagawa go. I said 'well you still have Cleverley' and then he saw my Villa badge and brought me up to date re this situation. And then he carried on to the top and I struggled on slowly.
One question, now I have read everything on my return. Has Cleverly sacked his agent yet?. If not are we being used as a shop window for his 'talents?' until January.
I'm not happy about the way agents can treat clubs . I blame Eric Hall for this
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I don't know if this has already been said somewhere but I heard the agent on talksport about mid afternoon on deadline day.
He said that Hull, Villa & Everton were all in with a chance of signing Cleverley, it was just going to be down to which one of them was prepared to dig deepest to lure him with the most money.
In itself that is probably pretty crass in its directness but it was particularly the way he said it that made him sound like a total arse.
Crikey, that's pretty straight up about it all. How classless.
Almost everything to do with football these days lacks class I think. It's only people like Steven Naismith and other similar stories that fill me with any sort of appetite for the game more generally!
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What did Naismith do? I know Gary Neville always used to act as his own agent as he didn't like the type of people it attracts. Although like anything, there must be good one's and bad one's with the bad one's giving the industry a bad name. I have more time for ex-pro's that go into it like Cyrille Regis.
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I don't know if this has already been said somewhere but I heard the agent on talksport about mid afternoon on deadline day.
He said that Hull, Villa & Everton were all in with a chance of signing Cleverley, it was just going to be down to which one of them was prepared to dig deepest to lure him with the most money.
In itself that is probably pretty crass in its directness but it was particularly the way he said it that made him sound like a total arse.
Crikey, that's pretty straight up about it all. How classless.
To be fair if it is the same interview I heard, at about 5.15-5.30 ish on "Deadline Day" TM then I don't think it was HIS agent just A football agent. He also said there was no chance of Wellbeck going to Arsenal, so he clearly had his finger on the pulse.
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What did Naismith do? I know Gary Neville always used to act as his own agent as he didn't like the type of people it attracts. Although like anything, there must be good one's and bad one's with the bad one's giving the industry a bad name. I have more time for ex-pro's that go into it like Cyrille Regis.
Sorry, Naismith did nothing as regards agents but has bought season tickets for unemployed Everton fans to share this season and last Christmas donated money for homeless people to have a Christmas lunch
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I don't know if this has already been said somewhere but I heard the agent on talksport about mid afternoon on deadline day.
He said that Hull, Villa & Everton were all in with a chance of signing Cleverley, it was just going to be down to which one of them was prepared to dig deepest to lure him with the most money.
In itself that is probably pretty crass in its directness but it was particularly the way he said it that made him sound like a total arse.
Crikey, that's pretty straight up about it all. How classless.
To be fair if it is the same interview I heard, at about 5.15-5.30 ish on "Deadline Day" TM then I don't think it was HIS agent just A football agent. He also said there was no chance of Wellbeck going to Arsenal, so he clearly had his finger on the pulse.
I can't be bothered to dig up a link or anything, but the agent who made those comments was a different agent from some different agency to the one Cleverly uses, he was just on Talksport as a general talking head answering questions from their point of view.
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That article does bring to light a different perspective on what took place at the deadline. However it still begs the question, wouldn't the client have been fully informed of the actions of his agent? I can't believe that the agent had acted independently as much of a clock he appears to be.
Anyway, it's done now so let's hope he proves on the pitch why coming to Villa was such an easy decision.
Players are often naïve and gullible. The agents just see them as cash machines and it is obvious that the Clubs seemed to have taken a greater responsibility in the players interest.
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Fair enough, I was listening whilst at work so that may well be the case as the radio didn't have my undivided attention.
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Dion Dublin was on TS today and said that Cleverley himself phoned Lambert very late on Monday stating that he wants to sign and play football in the premier league rather then see out his contract at United and that's when the deal was back on.
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What did Naismith do? I know Gary Neville always used to act as his own agent as he didn't like the type of people it attracts. Although like anything, there must be good one's and bad one's with the bad one's giving the industry a bad name. I have more time for ex-pro's that go into it like Cyrille Regis.
Probably helps Neville never had any real reason to leave his boyhood club.
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Paul Scholes never had an agent. That really held him back.
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What did Naismith do? I know Gary Neville always used to act as his own agent as he didn't like the type of people it attracts. Although like anything, there must be good one's and bad one's with the bad one's giving the industry a bad name. I have more time for ex-pro's that go into it like Cyrille Regis.
Sorry, Naismith did nothing as regards agents but has bought season tickets for unemployed Everton fans to share this season and last Christmas donated money for homeless people to have a Christmas lunch
It was good to do that. Players have a certain image but I would imagine that a good number do charitable work that never gets publicised. How much time do our players spend at Acorns? I think some of them visit quite regularly. For as bad as he was as a player, I think Stephen Ireland was there quite a bit. It's easy to categories ALL top earning players as greedy gits but everybody's unique. Some will live up to the image, some will be the complete opposite and the rest will be somewhere in between.
Re: Neville and Scholes - it's a fair point about them never having to negotiate a transfer away. Someone might have done it though.
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It's not just transfers though, most agents will get their clients involved in all sort of endorsements. Boot deals being the best example. Apparently when Scholes came out of retirement he had no boot deal in place so just went to his local sports shop and bought some boots. Not earth shattering news but I kinda like the normal-ness of it.
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Paul Scholes never had an agent. That really held him back.
Not on the pitch it didnt, dirty bastard but what a player.
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Good luck to the lad, welcome to Villa son, personally, i think he will be a good signing.
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Paul Scholes never had an agent. That really held him back.
Not on the pitch it didnt, dirty bastard but what a player.
Was he dirty or just stupid? Some of Delphs ludicrous challenges remind me of Scholes.
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Good luck to the lad, welcome to Villa son, personally, i think he will be a good signing.
It's up to him to prove himself . If I've read things correctly , Yanited have an option to recall him in Jan, we have an option to sign him next June, or he walks away as a free agent. All very much now down to him to show his ability, hunger, desire etc. Should be a win win but no idea on his mentality.
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If I've read things correctly , Yanited have an option to recall him in Jan, we have an option to sign him next June, or he walks away as a free agent.
You haven't.
We can sign him for a pre-agreed fee in January. If we don't want to, ManYoo can sell him to anybody else who does want to buy him. If nobody does, he stays with us for the rest of the season.
In the summer, he can sign for anybody who he wants to. And wants him as well, obviously.
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Paul Scholes never had an agent. That really held him back.
Not on the pitch it didnt, dirty bastard but what a player.
Was he dirty or just stupid? Some of Delphs ludicrous challenges remind me of Scholes.
Have to say that I liked Scholes. He was the one player outside of Villa that I admired.
I doubt Beckham wouldn't have been the player he was without Scholes by his side.
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Scholes is one of my favourite players of the PL age.
Although he was universally rated, I still think he was underrated.
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Scholes is one of my favourite players of the PL age.
Although he was universally rated, I still think he was underrated.
Yep, for me too. A brilliant, brilliantly low key modern day football genius.
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Scholes is one of my favourite players of the PL age.
Although he was universally rated, I still think he was underrated.
Yep, for me too. A brilliant, brilliantly low key modern day football genius.
And me. When people talk about best ever Premier League player, I always think he should be in the debate* with Henry, Zola and Bergkamp, possibly Shearer.
*For second place behind McGrath obviously.
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If Paul Scholes launched a fragrance brand I'd probably buy it. "Ginger" by Paul.
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Apparently someone asked Zidane what it was like being the best midfielder of his generation. he said "Ask Paul Scholes". Also he used to turn up with his dad and sign his contract in half an hour. Old school.
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Anyone else remember when the Gnasher opined 'Scholes can't pass'?
I couldn't help feeling that Greg lost a bit of his cast-iron football credibility by posting that.
*face/palm*
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'Kin i-phone.
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He was Xavi's favourite player.
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Reading the last couple of pages, either Tom Cleverley hasn't got an agent, or he's being compared to Paul Scholes for his footballing skills..
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I don't think I appreciated just how good Scholes was until I got a bit older. I must have been 12-13 ish when he first came through, and for a good 7-8 years I thought he was over rated and living on the back of the others. Then I must have watched United 3-4 times in quick succession, and realised that the others were made look so good by him pulling the strings, finding space, and just being generally pretty brilliant. Must also be one of the most mis-used players by England of the so called "golden generation".
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I don't think I appreciated just how good Scholes was until I got a bit older. I must have been 12-13 ish when he first came through, and for a good 7-8 years I thought he was over rated and living on the back of the others. Then I must have watched United 3-4 times in quick succession, and realised that the others were made look so good by him pulling the strings, finding space, and just being generally pretty brilliant. Must also be one of the most mis-used players by England of the so called "golden generation".
Indeed. Remember him playing on the left in a 4-4-2?
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I don't think I appreciated just how good Scholes was until I got a bit older. I must have been 12-13 ish when he first came through, and for a good 7-8 years I thought he was over rated and living on the back of the others. Then I must have watched United 3-4 times in quick succession, and realised that the others were made look so good by him pulling the strings, finding space, and just being generally pretty brilliant. Must also be one of the most mis-used players by England of the so called "golden generation".
Indeed. Remember him playing on the left in a 4-4-2?
Remember the goal he scored against us the week before xmas in 2008? Spoiled my Christmas.
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I don't think I appreciated just how good Scholes was until I got a bit older. I must have been 12-13 ish when he first came through, and for a good 7-8 years I thought he was over rated and living on the back of the others. Then I must have watched United 3-4 times in quick succession, and realised that the others were made look so good by him pulling the strings, finding space, and just being generally pretty brilliant. Must also be one of the most mis-used players by England of the so called "golden generation".
Indeed. Remember him playing on the left in a 4-4-2?
Remember the goal he scored against us the week before xmas in 2008? Spoiled my Christmas.
Yeah, one of those where you can see a few home fans clapping in grudging admiration. And our goalie looking round wondering what happened.
It was Scott Carson mind.
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or was it Kiraly?
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Welcome to the club Tom, it is the greatest you will ever play for.
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I don't think I appreciated just how good Scholes was until I got a bit older. I must have been 12-13 ish when he first came through, and for a good 7-8 years I thought he was over rated and living on the back of the others. Then I must have watched United 3-4 times in quick succession, and realised that the others were made look so good by him pulling the strings, finding space, and just being generally pretty brilliant. Must also be one of the most mis-used players by England of the so called "golden generation".
Indeed. Remember him playing on the left in a 4-4-2?
Agree. He was he kind of player you build a team around, not shove into a role. Shame he played for such a horrible club, but as a player, yeah, one to admire.
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or was it Kiraly?
It was Kiraly:
Stunning goal, the talented barsteward.
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or was it Kiraly?
Oh yeah, coulda been.
EDIT: was.
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OK Kiraly....
however hate Scholes dirty little shit who got away with murder most of the times. Should have had more red cards then he did.
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Same with Gerrard , if they weren't playing in the sky4 wankoff FC they'd have been red carded every other week.
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His defining moment? Bit personal...
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Lowton's was better ;-)
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or was it Kiraly?
It was Kiraly:
Stunning goal, the talented barsteward.
Back when United were good.
Didn't Chris Sutton take a nasty knock in that game which cost him part of his vision and quickly ended his career? I wonder whether his full vision ever came back.
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I was in the North Stand upper that day so had a great view of that goal.
Typically my dad who always finds fault in our defence when we concede turned to me when everyone else around us was applauding and said "where was the defender on the edge of the box?!"
He scored a similar one v Bradford years back.
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His defining moment? Bit personal...
Click to view (https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10698638_10152346283053201_5503631560744073942_n.jpg?oh=1b1ad5a692ed29b326a81a0ff12fd024&oe=5483EE6F)
Although I would have preferred not to see that photo, it made me smile.
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or was it Kiraly?
It was Kiraly:
Stunning goal, the talented barsteward.
I remember applauding that goal only to be told by the bloke behind me in the Holte to 'fuck off back to Manchester'.
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Fair point well made by the bloke at your rear.
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Fair point well made by the bloke at your rear.
Why? It was a quality goal. I was in a bar somewhere abroad and remember (vaguely) saying how good a strike it was. I also applauded the Pires effort whilst in the Upper Holte. Should I fuck off to Manchester aswell?
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Fair point well made by the bloke at your rear.
Charming.
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Thinking about it, that bloke shouting obscenities in the Holte got it so wrong.
It should have been "fuck off back to Berkshire" ;)
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His defining moment? Bit personal...
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Although I would have preferred not to see that photo, it made me smile.
Just shows you money can't buy you everything....
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or was it Kiraly?
It was Kiraly:
Stunning goal, the talented barsteward.
I remember applauding that goal only to be told by the bloke behind me in the Holte to 'fuck off back to Manchester'.
I honestly think that is one of the best goals I've ever seen scored against us.
I was sat in the upper witton, almost in line with where he shot from. I was with my Dad (who is a Nose).
The thing I remember most about it is that when it hit the crossbar it made quite the most amazing noise.
I have always really had a love of goals that go in off the bar (the post, less so) and make that fantastic noise, but we heard it loudly even from that distance. It was without a doubt the best "crashing in off the bar" noise I have ever heard at a match.
Where we were sat, plenty of people applauded it, and not just undercover away fans, either, it was a brilliant goal.
I seem to remember two other goals from years ago at Villa Park that stick in the mind. One was Paul Ince when he had just broken through at West Ham, and one was someone - whose name I have forgotten but I am pretty sure he was a childhood Villa fan - who i think was playing for Luton.
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Fair point well made by the bloke at your rear.
Why? It was a quality goal. I was in a bar somewhere abroad and remember (vaguely) saying how good a strike it was. I also applauded the Pires effort whilst in the Upper Holte. Should I fuck off to Manchester aswell?
Of course not.
Islington.
*wink*
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or was it Kiraly?
It was Kiraly:
Stunning goal, the talented barsteward.
I remember applauding that goal only to be told by the bloke behind me in the Holte to 'fuck off back to Manchester'.
I honestly think that is one of the best goals I've ever seen scored against us.
I was sat in the upper witton, almost in line with where he shot from. I was with my Dad (who is a Nose).
The thing I remember most about it is that when it hit the crossbar it made quite the most amazing noise.
I have always really had a love of goals that go in off the bar (the post, less so) and make that fantastic noise, but we heard it loudly even from that distance. It was without a doubt the best "crashing in off the bar" noise I have ever heard at a match.
Where we were sat, plenty of people applauded it, and not just undercover away fans, either, it was a brilliant goal.
I seem to remember two other goals from years ago at Villa Park that stick in the mind. One was Paul Ince when he had just broken through at West Ham, and one was someone - whose name I have forgotten but I am pretty sure he was a childhood Villa fan - who i think was playing for Luton.
Mark Pembridge.
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That's him.
I think I am confusing him with someone else for the "childhood Villa fan" thing, though.
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Pires's goal for arsenal v us was fantastic
The two best opposition performances I've seen were Ronaldo in a 3-0 Man U win (he wasn't at his unbelievable best but he was just on a different plane to anyone else on the pitch) and mostovoi for celta Vigo who just ran the game. Mostovoi was one of my personal favourites. A bit like hagi.
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The best opposition performance I've ever seen was Juventus. Who are the best team I've ever seen live, I'd say, even 30+ years later.
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The best opposition performance I've ever seen was Juventus. Who are the best team I've ever seen live, I'd say, even 30+ years later.
Agreed. From memory they had five or six of the Italy team that won the World Cup and Platini and Boniek was it? How fitting that Sid scored a pretty good goal himself in such exalted company. Went to The Atlas after the game which was shutting down for good as soon as the beer ran out. And they had topless barmaids.
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Did Rossi score a diving header inside 60 seconds ?
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The best opposition performance I've ever seen was Juventus. Who are the best team I've ever seen live, I'd say, even 30+ years later.
Agreed. From memory they had five or six of the Italy team that won the World Cup and Platini and Boniek was it? How fitting that Sid scored a pretty good goal himself in such exalted company. Went to The Atlas after the game which was shutting down for good as soon as the beer ran out. And they had topless barmaids.
Yup, not just the Italians, like you said, add Platini and Boniek, two of the best players of that decade. What an amazing side.
In fact, here is the whole side (had to google, couldn't remember all). Jesus Christ, what a team.
Dino Zoff
Sergio Brio
Antonio Cabrini
Claudio Gentile
Gaetano Scirea
Massimo Bonini
Michel Platini
Marco Tardelli
Roberto Bettega
Zbigniew Boniek
Paolo Rossi
Major props to Tardelli for being the performer of the world's greatest ever goal celebration, too.
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Highlights.
Two things.
One, the excellent little shuffle from Sid in the build up to his own goal, two, Platini might be a grade A ****** these days, but look at the truly exquisite ball for Boniek's finish.
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The best opposition performance I've ever seen was Juventus. Who are the best team I've ever seen live, I'd say, even 30+ years later.
I was there; fantastic evening. It is exactly one of the reasons why we can claim to be one of the top clubs: games like that just don't happen very often.
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Thanks for that Paulie.
Gerard scored the goal Sid scored, it would be lauded as goal of the decade, the build up and flying header, bloody brilliant.
Juve were a bit good. Love the finish on the winner, genuinely rattled the net.
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Scholes is the most famous former pupil at my kids' school. He could afford to live anywhere and send his kids anywhere to be educated. But he lives locally and sends his own kids to the same state school where he went.
Very down to earth man. Very dull, no conversation. But you can't have everything
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You can find the juve highlights very easily online
Lovely goal from Sid. More platt-like than cowans' normal stuff. But juve looked a class above to be fair. Platini's pass for boniek's goal was sexual chocolate
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I remember feeling genuinely proud that we managed to score twice against juventus. they were brilliant back then.
As for Scholes, yeah, agree with everything being said but can we stop seeing goals being scored against us. Yes, nice hit, but its poor to leave a midfielder on his own from where he struck it from. Pfft.
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A footnote of the Juve game: a now quite prominent (locally) trade union official was one of (I think it was) four Villa fans stabbed afterwards.
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football kits looked so much better without sponsors draped all over them. Classic game it ultimately disappointing.
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A footnote of the Juve game: a now quite prominent (locally) trade union official was one of (I think it was) four Villa fans stabbed afterwards.
A Gooner/Juve fan I played football with in Brasil claimed VP was rough to go to then proceeded to tell me how hid the knife used in one of the stabbings that night on their "supporters" coach.
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Not very well thought out (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villas-tom-cleverley-twitter-7750212)
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Not very well thought out (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villas-tom-cleverley-twitter-7750212)
They didn't learn from the Stewart Downing episode then.
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Not very well thought out (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villas-tom-cleverley-twitter-7750212)
They didn't learn from the Stewart Downing episode then.
Or the Grant Holt episode, or the time they decided to publish #AVFC tweets on the OS. And it's not just us, every footballer gets loads of abuse on Twitter Q&As, you'd think somebody somewhere would realise it's not a good idea.
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Not very well thought out (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villas-tom-cleverley-twitter-7750212)
They didn't learn from the Stewart Downing episode then.
Or the Grant Holt episode, or the time they decided to publish #AVFC tweets on the OS. And it's not just us, every footballer gets loads of abuse on Twitter Q&As, you'd think somebody somewhere would realise it's not a good idea.
It is funny though
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There were some quotes from him on twitter earlier about being happy to sign a permanent deal if things go well, but have not seen them in any of the articles or interviews.
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Not very well thought out (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villas-tom-cleverley-twitter-7750212)
They didn't learn from the Stewart Downing episode then.
Or the Grant Holt episode, or the time they decided to publish #AVFC tweets on the OS. And it's not just us, every footballer gets loads of abuse on Twitter Q&As, you'd think somebody somewhere would realise it's not a good idea.
That was brilliant. My sides have only just stopped hurting from laughing at that. Brilliant stuff.
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It was Brian Doogan that tweeted it - TC said that if both sides can agree things permanently I want to make my career here. If he does well, I certainly hope he stays true to that baring in mind the comments of Martinez, who was waxing lyrical about how highly he rates him as one of the technically best midfielders in England today and that he would be looking to try and get him on a free next summer.
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Not seen this uploaded anywhere, from last night's 5Live Sport.
Pat Murphy gives Cleverley a hard time over his transfer to Villa. Obviously Cleverley has been briefed by Villa's media advisors before the interview, but his 'story', that an agent can act without informing his client, just doesn't ring true. I think its fairly obviously that we were his second choice (or third if you include staying at United), but he's here now, so let's get behind him.
About 38:30 in...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04gkvlt (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04gkvlt)
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I thought he spoke very well - he won't be the first or last player who's career stalled at Newton Heath.
As said above , he's one of us now - good luck to him.
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Not seen this uploaded anywhere, from last night's 5Live Sport.
Pat Murphy gives Cleverley a hard time over his transfer to Villa. Obviously Cleverley has been briefed by Villa's media advisors before the interview, but his 'story', that an agent can act without informing his client, just doesn't ring true. I think its fairly obviously that we were his second choice (or third if you include staying at United), but he's here now, so let's get behind him.
About 38:30 in...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04gkvlt (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04gkvlt)
I heard this last night - I thought Pat M was unnecessarily persistent about the issue of his signing. A bit pointless really.
The fact is: the kid's here, he'll knuckle down in order to prove ManUre wrong and - if played in the right position by PL - he may well do so. I can see him mirroring the good work Delph does, in a slightly different way. In fact, the MF options now look pretty good, I think, for a mid-to-upper placed Premiership side, as long as the management gets the playing-style and ethos right.
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He's certainly going to be motivated to prove his doubters wrong.
Those Q&A's really need to be moderated i.e. the player only sees serious questions and the rest are ignored.
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Not seen this uploaded anywhere, from last night's 5Live Sport.
Pat Murphy gives Cleverley a hard time over his transfer to Villa. Obviously Cleverley has been briefed by Villa's media advisors before the interview, but his 'story', that an agent can act without informing his client, just doesn't ring true. I think its fairly obviously that we were his second choice (or third if you include staying at United), but he's here now, so let's get behind him.
About 38:30 in...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04gkvlt (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04gkvlt)
Pat Murphy tweeted something pretty sarcastic to the avfcofficial account the other day. They'd posted a pic of Cleverley "meeting the international media", and PM tweeted something implying that it might have been a good idea to get the domestic media in too, rather than what was probably just the in-house team.
That doesn't sound too sarcastic, but I can't remember the exact wording and can't be arsed to look, but the way he put it was undoubtedly sarcy.
I like Pat Murphy, he's old school and is a good journalist, but he above all the others seems to allow things to get to him, things which then get reflected in his coverage.
He never came to terms with the fact that Lerner would not talk to the media. I understand why journalists find that annoying as it makes their jobs harder. I also agreed with Murphy when he said that Lerner could be seen as having an implied "duty" to talk to the press as he was heading an institution which meant a great deal to a lot of people.
What I couldn't get over was the way he let that colour his reporting on the club for so long. I appreciate it is not the job of journalists to be cheer leaders for the club, and find it irritating when people start acting like it is, from time to time, but I do think Pat Murphy lets things annoy him far too much and this gets reflected in his reporting.
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He's certainly going to be motivated to prove his doubters wrong.
Those Q&A's really need to be moderated i.e. the player only sees serious questions and the rest are ignored.
How do we know that's not what happened?
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I really am looking forward to the idea of Delph and Cleverley being a basis of our midfield with Sanchez tucked in behind. It is a definite step from KEA and Westwood, though Westwood has done ok so far this season. I think Cleverley has a point to prove, is an accurate passer and if his arrival continues us down the path of not hoofing it long all the time, then consider me a a big supporter of the direction we are seemingly taking.
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Do people think he will start tomorrow or off bench ?
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Do people think he will start tomorrow or off bench ?
bench I reckon. I think we'll start with with Sanchez, Westwood and Delph.
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I really am looking forward to the idea of Delph and Cleverley being a basis of our midfield with Sanchez tucked in behind. It is a definite step from KEA and Westwood, though Westwood has done ok so far this season. I think Cleverley has a point to prove, is an accurate passer and if his arrival continues us down the path of not hoofing it long all the time, then consider me a a big supporter of the direction we are seemingly taking.
It's got a great balance to it on paper. Sanchez will be the player that will hopefully unlock the team's potential. He is also the biggest unknown/risk. Luckily, I think Westwood is the next in line and he naturally occupies the same areas of the pitch as Sanchez so he's not a bad Plan B (even though they're different types of player).
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He's certainly going to be motivated to prove his doubters wrong.
Those Q&A's really need to be moderated i.e. the player only sees serious questions and the rest are ignored.
How do we know that's not what happened?
That they're in the public domain still shows a poor job of handling it. From what I've seen of Twitter, you can only see a person's comments and replies so stupid questions that don't get replied to shouldn't be public.
Re: Sanchez - he's looked a little off the pace so far and I don't know whether he's been away in South America during internationals week and when he will have got back (if he has) so he might be on the bench again tomorrow. I think it will be Westwood-Cleverley-Delph. As such, it would be interesting to see where Richardson is used as he's done a good job so far.
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He's certainly going to be motivated to prove his doubters wrong.
Those Q&A's really need to be moderated i.e. the player only sees serious questions and the rest are ignored.
How do we know that's not what happened?
That they're in the public domain still shows a poor job of handling it. From what I've seen of Twitter, you can only see a person's comments and replies so stupid questions that don't get replied to shouldn't be public.
Re: Sanchez - he's looked a little off the pace so far and I don't know whether he's been away in South America during internationals week and when he will have got back (if he has) so he might be on the bench again tomorrow. I think it will be Westwood-Cleverley-Delph. As such, it would be interesting to see where Richardson is used as he's done a good job so far.
I reckon we'll sacrifice N'Zog for this game, and push Richardson out wide as he'd more disciplined and can defend from the front.
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Going by the Hull game (and maybe the other 2 too), that's not so much as a sacrifice as it would be the correct decision.
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If he is pissing off that twat Pat Murphy then he is already adding value. Good job Tom.
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Pat Murphy was quality with his questioning.
He asked the questions we all want to ask and didn't accept Tom trying to skirt the issue.
Murphy should be praised for this.
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Murphy can fuck off. Player joins one team, may have preferred another, so what? I'm sure that's the case in about 99% of transfers.
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I thought it was good to hear an interviewer asking questions that were about 10% as testing as a politician gets for once. People in football get away with spouting absolute bollocks, contradicting themselves and ignoring evidence. Lambert very much included
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I quite like Murphy too. Think Cleveley has come across as a little cocky, having just signed he should just get his head down and play for his future.
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#Cringe#
http://instagram.com/p/s29eCSts0K/
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why cringe? He's having a bit of fun with his new teammates.
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#Cringe#
http://instagram.com/p/s29eCSts0K/
Don't quit your dayjob TC. ha ha.
(http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3296706.ece/alternates/s2197/Unimpressed-Simon-Cowell.jpg)
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Looks like initiation.
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Decent debut. Worked hard, covered a lot of ground and did OK in possession.
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Solid start. Most impressed how well he, Delph and Westwood combined today.
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Who knows, one day we might see Delph, Westwood and Cleverley in England's midfield.
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Didn't see enough of todays match to know if he played that well, but remember him making a good block from a in direct free kick. It is just today's sort of game where we need him to be tidy on the ball, and to relieve pressure on the team.
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I really don't hold the Everton thing against him anyway. He's played for Martinez before and obviously enjoyed his time at Wigan. It's not too far from his house oop north and Everton have been finishing a lot higher than us over the last few seasons. From a non-Villa supportinig perspective it seemed like a no brainer to go to Everton if the move was there.
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Posted by Delph with #GreatLad and #one of us...not the words of someone who sees his career elsewhere.
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(http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/291262i9000F3EA42C812BD/image-size/original?v=mpbl-1&px=-1)
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Didn't realise Delph & Cleverley were both originally Bradford lads:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11091109/Fabian-Delphs-breakthrough-into-England-team-shows-how-Football-League-is-serving-the-national-cause.html
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Did anyone see this article too. I can't see that it was posted. Nice interview with Cleverley about his determination to prove doubters wrong:"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11090791/Tom-Cleverley-admits-Manchester-United-days-are-over-and-is-happy-to-escape-negativity-at-Old-Trafford.html
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Think he might have been our best player today. A solid start to his Villa career.