Tom Cleverley - Loan Confirmed

[olaftab]

I remember watching Cleverley when he was on loan to someone and thought he had huge potential. A bit like Jack G he was head and shoulders above others. He has progressed to be good enough to feature regularly in a team that is still considerably better than us so he is better than most of our current midfielders except maybe Fabian. I still think £8M is TT but there we are.....

[Clampy]

Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.

 

13 England caps. Whether he was good enough to be picked is another matter but at least get your facts right if you're going to debate instead of making them up to suit your argument.

[silhillvilla]

Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.

In the real world, yes it does. He is also a considerably better player than Chris Herd.

I'm afraid that's debatable.

[Ryu]

Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.

In the real world, yes it does. He is also a considerably better player than Chris Herd.

I'm afraid that's debatable.

In the sense that absolutely anything is debatable.  Chris Herd would not started lots of games in a side managed by Alex Ferguson that won the league by a country mile 2 years ago.  I suppose that is open to debate as well, but you'd have to have really backed yourself into a corner to say something like that.

[Legion]

Cleverley > Herd

[silhillvilla]

Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.

 

13 England caps. Whether he was good enough to be picked is another matter but at least get your facts right if you're going to debate instead of making them up to suit your argument.

13 England caps in this era doesn't mean a fat lot. John Stones will soon have more than that.

[Ryu]

Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.

 

13 England caps. Whether he was good enough to be picked is another matter but at least get your facts right if you're going to debate instead of making them up to suit your argument.

13 England caps in this era doesn't mean a fat lot. John Stones will soon have more than that.

How many caps do you think Herd would have, were he English?

[Risso]

By all means let's have a debate as to whether Cleverley is worth the money or if his career is in a downward spiral or not.  But come on, he's several times better than Chris Herd.

[Tony Erdington]

he improves our squad, so for me this is good, the fact he choose us and not the tigers is also positive, think Roy may well have been an influence, suppose whatever his on we have to pay the going rate,

so welcome to VP, I hope you enjoy your time here.

[maidstonevillain]

Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.

In the real world, yes it does. He is also a considerably better player than Chris Herd.

I'm afraid that's debatable.

Of course it is debatable. But a pretty one-sided debate.
In my opinion.

[PeterWithesShin]

Not even Chris Herd's mom thinks he's a better player than Tom Cleverley.

[Legion]

Chris Herd:

Personal information
Full name   Christopher Herd
Date of birth   4 April 1989 (age 25)
Place of birth   Perth, Australia
Height   1.73 m (5 ft 8 in)
Playing position   Utility player
Club information
Current team
Aston Villa
Number   17
Youth career
ECU Joondalup SC[3]
Bayswater City
2005–2010   Aston Villa
Senior career*
Years   Team   Apps†   (Gls)†
2010–   Aston Villa   36   (1)
2008   → Port Vale (loan)   11   (2)
2008   → Wycombe Wanderers (loan)   4   (0)
2009–2010   → Lincoln City (loan)   20   (4)
National team
2009   Australia U20   2   (0)

[silhillvilla]

Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.

 

13 England caps. Whether he was good enough to be picked is another matter but at least get your facts right if you're going to debate instead of making them up to suit your argument.

13 England caps in this era doesn't mean a fat lot. John Stones will soon have more than that.

How many caps do you think Herd would have, were he English?

1 more than cleverley.

[Legion]

Tom Cleverley:

Personal information
Full name   Thomas William Cleverley
Date of birth   12 August 1989 (age 25)
Place of birth   Basingstoke, England
Height   1.75 m (5 ft 9 in)
Playing position   Midfielder
Club information
Current team
Manchester United
Number   23
Youth career
1998–2000   Bradford City
2000–2009   Manchester United
Senior career*
Years   Team   Apps†   (Gls)†
2009–   Manchester United 54   (3)
2009   → Leicester City (loan)   15   (2)
2009–2010   → Watford (loan)   33   (11)
2010–2011   → Wigan Athletic (loan)   25   (4)
National team‡
2009   England U20   1   (2)
2009–2011   England U21   16   (0)
2012–   England   13   (0)
2012   Great Britain   5   (0)

[Ryu]

Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.

 

13 England caps. Whether he was good enough to be picked is another matter but at least get your facts right if you're going to debate instead of making them up to suit your argument.

13 England caps in this era doesn't mean a fat lot. John Stones will soon have more than that.

How many caps do you think Herd would have, were he English?

1 more than cleverley.

So 14?  Game of opinions, as they say.