Tom Cleverley - Loan Confirmed

[Legion]

Not even Chris Herd's mom thinks he's a better player than Tom Cleverley.

Not even Chris Herd thinks he's a better player than Tom Cleverley.

[john e]

I think there will be a big problem with wages
All those who don't want him will probably get there wish

[Chris Smith]

Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.

 

13 England caps. Whether he was good enough to be picked is another matter but at least get your facts right if you're going to debate instead of making them up to suit your argument.

13 England caps in this era doesn't mean a fat lot. John Stones will soon have more than that.

How many caps do you think Herd would have, were he English?

1 more than cleverley.

Come on, you know you have over egged this one - not even you believe that.

[Clampy]

Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.

 

13 England caps. Whether he was good enough to be picked is another matter but at least get your facts right if you're going to debate instead of making them up to suit your argument.

13 England caps in this era doesn't mean a fat lot. John Stones will soon have more than that.

How many caps do you think Herd would have, were he English?

1 more than cleverley.

So he'd get 14 caps for England even though he hasn't actually hasn't been picked for Australia yet. Are you sure SillyVilla wouldn't be more apt?

[Ads]

I think this is a story filling the gap between the over eager breaking of us agreeing a fee and the usual time consuming process of a deal being done.

You don't bid for a player and then ask him how much he wants. Leave demands would have been known and factored into a budget before any bid was launched.

[Ryu]

I think there will be a big problem with wages
All those who don't want him will probably get there wish

Maybe.  But what do you think Richardson and Senderos were on at Fulham?  If wouldn't surprise me if they were on similar to the £30k a week  one paper has reported Cleverley is on.

[silhillvilla]

I don't rate him. He's another average non creative sideways passing midfielder. A poor mans carrick as referred to a few pages back by someone else.

[Ryu]

I don't rate him. He's another average non creative sideways passing midfielder. A poor mans carrick as referred to a few pages back by someone else.

You don't rate him?  You hadn't mentioned it.

[silhillvilla]

I don't rate him. He's another average non creative sideways passing midfielder. A poor mans carrick as referred to a few pages back by someone else.

You don't rate him?  You hadn't mentioned it.

Just backing up my argument on the pros and cons of cleverley. I will leave it there. If he signs I wish him well . I just think the money should be spent elsewhere on better quality.

[Pete3206]

I think this might be a good signing for us.

Over the last couple of years, his confidence looks to have been shattered by the tabloids, social media and especially the Man U fans who have been absolute c**ts towards him. The Talksport petition to get him dropped from the England squad? Pathetic.

Joining Villa would give him the opportunity to rebuild his career and Villa could benefit from a player who only a couple of years ago, showed a lot of potential. At 25 years of age, he still has time to prove himself away from Man U.

[loughborough villain]

I will only be able to judge him if he joins and plays for Villa, not seen enough of him to know yet. However the fact that we appear willing to spend some money is at least encouraging. If he joins then let's hope he is an improvement on what we have currently got, certain teams/styles of play suit different players and hopefully he would fit in well.  As an example watching Vlaar play for Holland was a completely different experience to watching him play for Villa and with someone like James Milner he looked far better playing for Villa than he seems to be when playing for Man City/England. Just my opinion of course!

[Ryu]

I don't rate him. He's another average non creative sideways passing midfielder. A poor mans carrick as referred to a few pages back by someone else.

You don't rate him?  You hadn't mentioned it.

Just backing up my argument on the pros and cons of cleverley. I will leave it there. If he signs I wish him well . I just think the money should be spent elsewhere on better quality.

You didn't mention any pros that I remember.  Like his 89% pass completion from last season.  You just bemoaned his lack of the intangible quality of "creativity".  Creativity basically means finding space on the pitch where you can hurt the opposition.  This comes from multiple things and requires movement, passing and dribbling.  Whether you think a team managed by Lambert can be good at these things is another matter, but if we signed Cleverley I reckon he'd be the best passer in our side but Andreas Iniesta couldn't find defence splitting passes for a static forward line.  Creativity comes from the whole team, not one player. 

[Legion]

[LeeB]

Just because he plays for Yanited and had an England cap means sweet FA.

In the real world, yes it does. He is also a considerably better player than Chris Herd.

I'm afraid that's debatable.

In your head only.

[JUAN PABLO]

If I hear this England international again

We will be paying 15 million for colback next