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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Rip Van We Go Again on June 12, 2011, 05:11:44 PM
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Over to you.
If the club are so keen to canvass opinions from fan sites, let them know what you think.
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Disappointed that we can't do better, but willing to give him a chance.
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Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish. Fuck off McLeish.
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Amazed that the club would be so utterly fuckwitted as to make an appointment like this. That would also be the last straw of faith I have in them gone. For good.
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Fucked off that we'd appointed a man who had expertly shown the Noses the trap door, twice.
I'd rather shoot Graham Turner and reappoint his festering corpse than have McLeish.
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No on every single level. He got that lot relegated, he plays horrible football and Villa should be above this.
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Once I'd got over the horror and disbelief I would seriously consider returning my season ticket. I almost didn't renew for financial reasons and the prospect of spending that much money to see Villa led by Mcleish would be too much to bear.
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Amazed that the club would be so utterly fuckwitted as to make an appointment like this. That would also be the last straw of faith I have in them gone. For good.
I can't put it better than this.
I'd rather have O'Leary back.
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I think this is what happens when club directors listen too much to the fans. If they had a football man on the board, perhaps as a DOF, then this situation might not have arisen.
If it is true, as reported, that RL didn't pursue Dutch Schteve as a result of forum comments then that is a shocking state of affairs. RL should be appointing who RL feels is right for the job, having spoken to qualified consultants if necessary - not supporters.
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Amazed that the club would be so utterly fuckwitted as to make an appointment like this. That would also be the last straw of faith I have in them gone. For good.
This, with a fuck off McLeish thrown in for good measure.
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I've added a poll MArk, hope you don't mind mate.
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If Randy appoints Alex McLeish as new Villa manager, you can boil me up as molasses, drizzle me over one of Trevor Francis's freshly laid, maggot-infested turds and feed me to Hercules the Lion in front of a packed Holte End, all naked and drinking the Reverend Jim Jones' krazy kool-aid. Thanks.
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I prefer McClaren
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I don't think it will happen but for what it's worth I think McLeish has a good managerial record overall and I'd back him.
I've voted no though on the basis that if the hysteria displayed on here is anything to go by the guy wouldn't be given a chance.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I've added a poll MArk, hope you don't mind mate.
Cheers Martin.
It's a good way of letting our feelings be known.
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Oh for goodness sake...
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This makes the McClaren talk look like a pipedream. It would be a disgrace.
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I can't believe the board would be so stupid.
If it is McLeish then I'd give up. It would be like watching a car crash in slow motion. He won't be given a second by the fans to begin with.
Can you imagine the first game at Villa Park when he walks out to boos from all sides of the ground.
No, the board can't be that stupid.
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I'd scrub him with wire wool and dettol. Then accept him as despite getting Blue relegated, I think he is a good manager.
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How can a man who plays football as dull and awful to watch as Stoke City's brand and who has been relegated, twice in four years, be anyway remotely qualified?
Lower mid-table here we come. At best.
Preying and hoping its not true.
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Nooooooooooooooooo!
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I genuinely cannot for the life of me think of a poorer appointment that they could make.
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I've genuinely always liked McLeish as a manager, probably because of my liking for Rangers. When we appointed Houllier I'd have been delighted with McLeish. Now he's relegated Blues I'm not so certain. I'm willing to give him a chance though.
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No thank you.
I'd rather have Allardyce, and even then you can kiss my seat in the Holte goodbye.
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Would not be happy in the slightest. Nothing to do with the fact that he was the Blues manager, couldn't give less of a shit about that, but because his sides play turgid football and he managed to get Blues relegated twice! I just don't think he's a very good manager.
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for fark sake!!!!! i'm numb
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I think we should have a little more faith in the board. Appointing Mcleish would be catastrophic and surely the board can see that.
Perhaps Mcleish has heard the Everton job may become available (Moyes to Villa) so resigned?? We can only hope!
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Amazed that the club would be so utterly fuckwitted as to make an appointment like this. That would also be the last straw of faith I have in them gone. For good.
This times a thousand!
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No thank you.
I'd rather have Allardyce, and even then you can kiss my seat in the Holte goodbye.
Well if that is the brand of football we want at Villa Big Sam would be the better option. This can not be for real.
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I can only hope he's resigned in order to get away from that shite hole and has nothing to do with us. He's nowhere near good enough for us and I really can't see Randy going for him.
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no thanks.
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I definitely won't be renewing until we've made an appointment anyway, but giving him the job would ensure my money was better spent elsewhere
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I would feel sick. It is such a backward step. That said, we have a vacancy and we have been linked with a different name each day. Hughes had shorter odds than Mccleish has right now.
Mccleish has lost members of his back room staff, rumours suggest he may not have wanted the signing of King, the board at the Sty are a bit dodgy, they have slagged off Mccliesh in pubic- he has a whole load of reasons to leave- it would be a dream for him to join us (our nightmare) but that does not mean one thing has anything to do with the other.
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No.
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Who voted yes?
I can understand the idea of being loyal and backing whoever the manager is, but actually thinking it is a good idea is another matter surely?
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I'd be absolutely devastated.
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GED wasn't the most popular of managers. I have never heard a Villa crowd so anti the manager as I did after the Sunderland game (you're getting sacked in the morning).
But, you could multiply that by a 1000 if Big Feck get the job.
Never would a manager be so alienated from the supporters.
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Could it be that McLeish is going to Forest?
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I would come to the conclusion that I must be tripping on LSD.
Of all the idiotic suggestions for the Next manager McLeish is by far the worst one.
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Who voted yes?
I can understand the idea of being loyal and backing whoever the manager is, but actually thinking it is a good idea is another matter surely?
- Inspires high work rate and determination
- Managed on a budget
- Won a promotion
- Won a trophy
- Turned shit players such as Gardner and Ridgewell into decent players.
It's still a resounding "no" from me, but I can at least see why people would want him.
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McLeish for Villa manager was 1/5 on at William Hill online but has now lengthened to variously 1/2 on and 4/9 on. I'll be renewing the ST tomorrow regardless, as planned.
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First time we lost the toss for kick-off the banners would be out.
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I prefer McClaren
I prefer McAllister.
On the plus side... we could chant 'McLeish' just like the Liveprool fans do with 'Dalglish'
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- Relegated twice
- Negative football
- The fact he would come straight from the scum
Just no.
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I could imagine him trying to get Gardner back here as well.
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First time we lost the toss for kick-off the banners would be out.
Leighton's probably already checking out suppliers of orange textiles.
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Well why not - he nearly kept our reserves in the Premier League last season......
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blimey has it got to this? Anyone even contemplating McLeish as our manager should be put in a straight jacket for their own good.
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Would we have McDonald back as caretaker for 6 months while Big Ek was in quarantine?
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Who voted yes?
I can understand the idea of being loyal and backing whoever the manager is, but actually thinking it is a good idea is another matter surely?
- Inspires high work rate and determination
- Managed on a budget
- Won a promotion
- Won a trophy
- Turned shit players such as Gardner and Ridgewell into decent players.
It's still a resounding "no" from me, but I can at least see why people would want him.
I didn't see much determination when they were in a relegation battle. He managed to get them relegated twice on said budget. Gardner and Ridgewell were no different at Villa, they just look better now because they are surrounded by shite players.
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I think we are getting worked up for no reason. Cant see there being any way on God's sweet earth that this will happen
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First time we lost the toss for kick-off the banners would be out.
"SHIT TOSSER OUT"
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I am busy calling everyone I know, doesn't matter if they are Villa fans or not. Asking that they register for H & V, just to vote NO!!
In reality though this is obviously a load of rubbish. He doesn't meet any possible criteria to be the next Villa boss. I just can't understand why anyone would put money on this happening. Crazy
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Who voted yes?
I can understand the idea of being loyal and backing whoever the manager is, but actually thinking it is a good idea is another matter surely?
- Inspires high work rate and determination
- Managed on a budget
- Won a promotion
- Won a trophy
- Turned shit players such as Gardner and Ridgewell into decent players.
It's still a resounding "no" from me, but I can at least see why people would want him.
I didn't see much determination when they were in a relegation battle. He managed to get them relegated twice on said budget. Gardner and Ridgewell were no different at Villa, they just look better now because they are surrounded by shite players.
Last day of the season in said gritty battle against relegation, they ambled about at Spurs, not even trying to win the game.
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We should give our owner a bit more credit. Despite a couple of minor mistakes, he has done nothing but to give to the Villa and still people show this amount of disrespect to him. He isn't perfect but he ain't stupid either.
Get a fucking grip he won't appoint Mcleish
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Who voted yes?
I can understand the idea of being loyal and backing whoever the manager is, but actually thinking it is a good idea is another matter surely?
- Inspires high work rate and determination
- Managed on a budget
- Won a promotion
- Won a trophy
- Turned shit players such as Gardner and Ridgewell into decent players.
It's still a resounding "no" from me, but I can at least see why people would want him.
I didn't see much determination when they were in a relegation battle. He managed to get them relegated twice on said budget. Gardner and Ridgewell were no different at Villa, they just look better now because they are surrounded by shite players.
You cannot seriously argue that Gardner is not doing better at Blues? 9 goals in a season and undoubtedly one of the few rays of hope they had at staying up.
Oh god I sound like one of them.
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First time we lost the toss for kick-off the banners would be out.
He wouldn't even last that long. I doubt he'd make it to the car park, neverminf the dugout.
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*sigh*
there's certain things you don't do. Poaching your scummy neighbour's shite manager direct is one. A player? possibly. A manager who's been at another club in the meantime and who's actually a very good manager? of course. Mcliesh would have to win the league to be even given the benefit of the doubt and the first bad performance and the knives will be out - this of course is a major problem as Mcliesh specialises in bad performances. Lerner would have to be a complete dickhead to consider it. I'll guess we'll find out soon.
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Ludicrous
Hardly comes with a stunning managerial record let alone the Blose connection
This suggestion makes any of the other candidates look promising
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Noooooooppoooopoop no f in way
please randy don't do this to is
we will have McClaren anyone but not him
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I'm having this nightmare where a Bluenose is phoning me to say that Big Feck has resigned and he's hot favourite for the Villa job. I'm even on H&V posting this.
The terrifying power of dreams.
I hope I wake up soon.
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Can't see it happening.
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Who voted yes?
I can understand the idea of being loyal and backing whoever the manager is, but actually thinking it is a good idea is another matter surely?
- Inspires high work rate and determination
- Managed on a budget
- Won a promotion
- Won a trophy
- Turned shit players such as Gardner and Ridgewell into decent players.
It's still a resounding "no" from me, but I can at least see why people would want him.
I didn't see much determination when they were in a relegation battle. He managed to get them relegated twice on said budget. Gardner and Ridgewell were no different at Villa, they just look better now because they are surrounded by shite players.
You cannot seriously argue that Gardner is not doing better at Blues? 9 goals in a season and undoubtedly one of the few rays of hope they had at staying up.
Oh god I sound like one of them.
Gardners always been decent he hasn't improved, hes just been given playing time in a crap team.
Ridgewell is the same player he was at the Villa. 100% effort splattered with a few cock ups every game.
Both are not good enough to return unless we crave mid table mediocrity.
Mcleish has no record which would place him anywhere near our top 10 targets.
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Brilliant idea!
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Who voted yes?
I can understand the idea of being loyal and backing whoever the manager is, but actually thinking it is a good idea is another matter surely?
- Inspires high work rate and determination
- Managed on a budget
- Won a promotion
- Won a trophy
- Turned shit players such as Gardner and Ridgewell into decent players.
It's still a resounding "no" from me, but I can at least see why people would want him.
I didn't see much determination when they were in a relegation battle. He managed to get them relegated twice on said budget. Gardner and Ridgewell were no different at Villa, they just look better now because they are surrounded by shite players.
You cannot seriously argue that Gardner is not doing better at Blues? 9 goals in a season and undoubtedly one of the few rays of hope they had at staying up.
Oh god I sound like one of them.
Gardners always been decent he hasn't improved, hes just been given playing time in a crap team.
Ridgewell is the same player he was at the Villa. 100% effort splattered with a few cock ups every game.
Both are not good enough to return unless we crave mid table mediocrity.
Mcleish has no record which would place him anywhere near our top 10 targets.
For the record I strongly despise McLeish and Gardner/Ridgewell along with him.
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McLeish now 8/13 on for the job. Interestingly, David Moyes has just overtaken Mark Hughes (7/2 and 4/1 respectively) as second favourite.
I'm off into hibernation now methinks.
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- Find rusty nail
- Find hammer
- Expose scrotum
- Drive rusty nail into scrotum
This would be preferable to seeing that turd manage our club.
WTF is going on!!!!!!! - Hope this is way off base
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Even putting aside the fact that he would come directly from our bitter rivals....if he had come from a club we had no rivalry with but had the same record, it would be shocking....
Now add back the fact he is coming from Blues...........
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Let's take a breather.
They wouldn't do this, surely they wouldn't. Let's stop and think what we're talking about - taking a manager who
a. got Blues relegated twice
b. plays (everywhere he goes) a style of football so negative as to defy description
c. managed Blues
.. think about that, then think about all that Proud History, Bright Future stuff, and it is inconceivable we could do it.
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Just in case.................I will accept that he has done a decnt job overallwith a shit club.
But in a field that included Ancellotti, Hughes, Rijkaard and Benitez appointing Big Feckwit would be a mind numbing downgrading of fan and player expectations.
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IT WON'T HAPPEN!
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Putting aside he managed them
He took a shit team into top 10 in premership and won a cup .
Also he achieved a lot at Rangers and managed an international team
I just wished he was not be coming from them
So a no for me, but it will happen
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Just in case.................I will accept that he has done a decnt job overallwith a shit club.
Relegating them twice?
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Can anyone tell me why my post at 4:45pm was padlocked?!?
What a joke.
Scared of the truth, well it's now out there.
If we have McLeish as our manager then it's an absolute disgrace
I'm refraining from using abhorrent language but this is a worse day than when we appointed Houllier and then some.
Response on why the previous post was padlocked will be welcome.
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That would be the end of season ticket for me. This club would prove it has no ambition. This would be a disgrace, what is going on?????? That he is even considered
This has to be a joke! less than 1 goal a game, relegated, crap football, etc etc etc etc
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The only reason we're even entertaining the possibility is the bad timing - we've been in a void without a clear favourite since the Martinez thing blew over, now a manager with Premier League experience quits and the media is delighted to have someone to speculate on again.
There is zero reason we'd hire McLeish. A failure in the Premier League with way too much baggage to ever be a success here.
Lerner and Faulkner are keeping very quiet, rightly so, but it leaves us to contemplate all sorts of horrors from the lack of information. I even fear we'll have to suffer a spell of Steve Bruce as favourite before this ends!
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going by the poll a few noses have ventured onto here
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No, non nein FUCK OFF....moments before I laughed it off then said if we got him I'd change my name to Karen Brady....I got a lot riding on this
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We might now sign Foster! runs for cover
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Absolutely chuffed.
Big Eck is the right man , at the right club at the right time.
Europe here we come.
Best appointment down the villa since Brian Little.
Happy days if it happens. Fingers crossed.
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It's like running a small Hardware shop on the Coventry road and taking it in to receivership and then getting installed as the New CEO of B and Q. I hope this is an elaborate wind up and somebody else comes in. I wasn't much in to having Mark Hughes in but I'd personally pick him up and drive him to B6 now.
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I'll renew no matter what; I really can't afford it but I can't do without it.
I'd be gutted if we appointed 'oo heck' but then; I'd be pretty disappointed if ten of the main twelve contenders were appointed.
Randy wont do this though - he's got an ace up his sleeve!
Chill xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Trying to see positives...
he did well with Hibs
he did well with Rangers
he did well with Scotland
The first time he got relegated witn Blues he took over halfway through the season so I wouldn't hold that against him, likewise I wouldn't give him credit for getting them back up.
Deserves credit for finishing top half and winning their first trophy in 3,000 years.
Got them relegated again... I would say this is the one major blot on his CV.
His style of football isn't great (nowhere near as bad as Pulis or Allardyce though). However, Taylor had a reputation for hoofball when he arrived at Villa Park and changed his style. Maybe McLeish could do the same.
He would be far from my first choice but if he is appointed I hope supporters give him a chance. The one thing guaranteed to make him fail is protest banners and booing before and after each game.
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Absolutely chuffed.
Big Eck is the right man , at the right club at the right time.
Europe here we come.
Best appointment down the villa since Brian Little.
Happy days if it happens. Fingers crossed.
Oh dear!
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It's like running a small Hardware shop on the Coventry road and taking it in to receivership and then getting installed as the New CEO of B and Q.
Superb, Barry!
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I'd rather have Dr Venglos back with David O'Dreary as his No2!
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Intelligent man, done well in scotland, over defensive tactics, media friendly, no plan B, moans about squad size, good cup runs.......I cant quite put my finger on why I dont fancy this one. (Have we been there before?)
Perhaps 2 relegations 3 seasons may go against him.
Not to mention the bleedin obvious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If RL appoints that scottish ginger alcoholic no good C**T at villa that will the last time id be going down there, and villa will be refunding me and families season tickets,
fucking joke
we cant keep hold of our good english players, can't even get decent manager, what the fucks going on????
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No, non nein FUCK OFF....moments before I laughed it off then said if we got him I'd change my name to Karen Brady....I got a lot riding on this
Rumour has it - there used to be a lot riding on Karen Brady (allegedly)
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total fuckin MELTDOWN
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We are talking about Mc Leish and Mc Laren, probably the 2 worst managers at top level in Britain.
I feel a great nostalgy for the good old times, and even for last week when we talked about Ancelotti and Moyes. . .
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He would be far from my first choice but if he is appointed I hope supporters give him a chance. The one thing guaranteed to make him fail is protest banners and booing before and after each game.
Which is exactly why he shouldn't be appointed, assuming anybody bothered to turn up at Villa Park. He'd be lynched in the car park.
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R E L A X
its just further cost cutting by the billionaires
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Permier League manager quits his club, dead cert for Villa job................... Hmmmm... I think we have been her before. Last week for example.
There is no way on Earth that we will appoint McLeish. It's not uncommon for managers to leave there post at the end of the season (or 5 days before), it happens all the time. Particularly when they've been relegated.
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In the space of seven days,we've gone from being linked to two former European cup winners,to a guy who nearly took his team down,to a guy that just has. What next, Robert Hopkins and Steve Hodge to count themselves in the running?
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17 noses have voted
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Absolutely chuffed.
Big Eck is the right man , at the right club at the right time.
Europe here we come.
Best appointment down the villa since Brian Little.
Happy days if it happens. Fingers crossed.
Ah, ha ha ha. Has the SHA forum got the hump and locked out guests again after losing their most succesful ever manager? Bunch of fannies.
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the only reason everybody is bricking it, is because of a report in the news of the world
THE NEWS OF THE WORLD
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17 noses have voted
It's a good demonstration of how you can't really go by these intenet polls as a fair reflection of opinion.
I'd bet if I interviewed 100 Villa supporters on the street, about 99 would say no.
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This surely can't happen. It'd be one thing taking a decent manager of their hands but 2 relegations in 4 seasons? No bloody way
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It is late on a Sunday Evening.
Eloquent phrases and considered arguments are beyond me at this time.
Excuse me but, No Fucking way, after 55 years this would be the end.
No more, news now, H/V, BBC, some one is taking the piss and I am not laughing.
Please, someone from the club tell us this is not true.
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Ok breath ... It's going to be all right... Relex yes he is going to Forest yes Nottingham yes that's it ... See it was a nightmare that's all .. Sleep now
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17 noses have voted
It's a good demonstration of how you can't really go by these intenet polls as a fair reflection of opinion.
I'd bet if I interviewed 100 Villa supporters on the street, about 99 would say no.
I'm just surprised there are 17 knuckledraggers that can read.
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"How will you feel if we appoint Fucking Eck?"
Fuckin angry!
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17 noses have voted
It's a good demonstration of how you can't really go by these intenet polls as a fair reflection of opinion.
I'd bet if I interviewed 100 Villa supporters on the street, about 99 would say no.
I'm just surprised there are 17 knuckledraggers that can read.
A good few of that 17 are H & V regulars indulging in tomfoolery.
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A man who won a trophy only because their opponents did not turn up, has teams playing negative football, and has ended up getting his last employer relegated.
If the Villa board appoint McLeish, it would be like the board of Marks and Spencer appointing the Chief Executive who took Woolworths into administration.
No, No, No, No, No and No again to McLeish.
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Taking a team down once is unfortunate. Twice is unforgiveable.
His football is negative, he can't spot a good striker to save his life and although i don't mind him as a person, the appointment would be just wrong.
Er, No.
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17 noses have voted
It's a good demonstration of how you can't really go by these intenet polls as a fair reflection of opinion.
I'd bet if I interviewed 100 Villa supporters on the street, about 99 would say no.
I'm just surprised there are 17 knuckledraggers that can read.
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they support Blues. I voted 'yes'. Not because I particularly want him but on the basis he might be appointed and the press would use the poll result as the basis of a "Villa in Crisis" story.
If he DOES get the job, I want him to hit the ground running. Bringing Foster in would be a good start.
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Hi to all you sad blue boys spending your sunday evenings worrying about your handsome, popular with the girls, neighbour.
Now get back to squeezing ya zits and looking for bozzeyed 'our karen' lookalikes on redtube.
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You're all getting in a panic over nothing, without looking into things properly.
McLeish clearly wants to work for a bigger club, but we're not the only club that fits the bill - Rochdale are also without a manager.
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Breaking News!!! Robbie Savage as assistant manager, with Paul Tait as under 19's coach!!
Never happen!!!!
Moyes is on his way, Mcleish to Everton!!Done deal!!
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A ghastly day to support the Villa, the mere possibility is bad enough.
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You're all getting in a panic over nothing, without looking into things properly.
McLeish clearly wants to work for a bigger club, but we're not the only club that fits the bill - Rochdale are also without a manager.
No they're not. Steve Eyre has got the job!
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The fact Paul Faulkner has a say in all this is the more reason to panic.
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from a BCFC Director's mouth just - no official approach from us to them.
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I just came on this thread to tell everyone I am boycotting this thread. Thanks.
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Is it because he manged Blues or because he's a shit manager ?
I must be one of the few who wouldn't mind him ....
I'm off !!!!
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Is it because he manged Blues or because he's a shit manager ?
I must be one of the few who wouldn't mind him ....
I'm off !!!!
He's not a shit manager so it must be the former that is promoting the mass hysteria.
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no chance id give my season ticket back
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no chance id give my season ticket back
I wouldn't. I support Villa.
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Is it because he manged Blues or because he's a shit manager ?
I must be one of the few who wouldn't mind him ....
I'm off !!!!
He's not a shit manager so it must be the former that is promoting the mass hysteria.
The worst football in the league including Stoke (They play defensively to then take advantage of their 'spell' of pressure but do try to win). He didnt ever try to win games on a regular basis, just shut up shop and hope for the best.
- 37 goals last season
- 38 the year before.
- Least shots this season and least shots on target.
- Most long balls played in the league.
- 2 relegations in 3 seasons.
I like him as a man but his record and style of football speak volumes.
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17 noses have voted
It's a good demonstration of how you can't really go by these intenet polls as a fair reflection of opinion.
I'd bet if I interviewed 100 Villa supporters on the street, about 99 would say no.
I'm just surprised there are 17 knuckledraggers that can read.
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they support Blues. I voted 'yes'. Not because I particularly want him but on the basis he might be appointed and the press would use the poll result as the basis of a "Villa in Crisis" story.
Villa in crisis? I think the press have such a low opinion of us, they'll see it as what it is, a midtable club with no ambition.
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no chance id give my season ticket back
I wouldn't. I support Villa.
Spot on.
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Obviously not - not because he managed SHA but because he is a very limited manager - he's just got them relegated for goodness sake. You'd have to question our ambition as a club if we seriously entertain the idea.
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17 noses have voted
It's a good demonstration of how you can't really go by these intenet polls as a fair reflection of opinion.
I'd bet if I interviewed 100 Villa supporters on the street, about 99 would say no.
I'm just surprised there are 17 knuckledraggers that can read.
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they support Blues. I voted 'yes'. Not because I particularly want him but on the basis he might be appointed and the press would use the poll result as the basis of a "Villa in Crisis" story.
Villa in crisis? I think the press have such a low opinion of us, they'll see it as what it is, a midtable club with no ambition.
I agree with that. I think we can do better. Unfortunately all the names mentioned recently suggest we can't. He has achieved more than Grayson, Martinez, Coyle and McLaren.
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Obviously not - not because he managed SHA but because he is a very limited manager - he's just got them relegated for goodness sake. You'd have to question our ambition as a club if we seriously entertain the idea.
On a budget of fuck all ...
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I said previously I would eat my face if he ever became our manager. The thought doesn't appeal tbh. Nose first?
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Just forgetting what club he's just left and where they finished, he plays incredibly negative football.
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Look at the terrible, terrible players he's bought, look at the shite football they play, look at the fact that he's relegated them twice.
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Is it because he manged Blues or because he's a shit manager ?
I must be one of the few who wouldn't mind him ....
I'm off !!!!
He's not a shit manager so it must be the former that is promoting the mass hysteria.
He IS shit Manager.
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Just forgetting what club he's just left and where they finished, he plays incredibly negative football.
But that's just it, you don't need to forget those first two elements. The whole package is fucking atrocious.
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I've opened my window and can hear no howls of anguish from that lot because he's left.
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I've opened my window and can hear no howls of anguish from that lot because he's left.
I think his stock has fallen, but they wouldn't admit they liked him anyway as they wouldn't want Villa to take satisfaction in their misery.
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just a kind note for Randy, dont even give a thought to signing this guy, i know myself and my daughter are only 2 season ticket holders but if you take him on my season tickets will not be renewed and my missus will have a spending spee next week
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17 noses have voted
It's a good demonstration of how you can't really go by these intenet polls as a fair reflection of opinion.
I'd bet if I interviewed 100 Villa supporters on the street, about 99 would say no.
I'm just surprised there are 17 knuckledraggers that can read.
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they support Blues. I voted 'yes'. Not because I particularly want him but on the basis he might be appointed and the press would use the poll result as the basis of a "Villa in Crisis" story.
Villa in crisis? I think the press have such a low opinion of us, they'll see it as what it is, a midtable club with no ambition.
I agree with that. I think we can do better. Unfortunately all the names mentioned recently suggest we can't. He has achieved more than Grayson, Martinez, Coyle and McLaren.
The thing that keeps us supporting our clubs, apart from loyalty, is hope. Even Coyle or Martinez, two young, up and coming managers would generate some hope. McLeish, we know all about, decent man that he is, brings nothing to the table except a clear sign the board have given up.
I have a lot of time for McLeish and think he deserves better than the crap he's had to put up with at the circus down the road. As I said, he's a very decent man and despite his ties with the Rags, deserves a bit of respect. But is he the best man for the job? Of course not. If he's the best the board can come up with, they really haven't got a clue and I say that as somebody that has always fully supported them.
Once again, I really can't see them being so stupid.
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17 noses have voted
It's a good demonstration of how you can't really go by these intenet polls as a fair reflection of opinion.
I'd bet if I interviewed 100 Villa supporters on the street, about 99 would say no.
I'm just surprised there are 17 knuckledraggers that can read.
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they support Blues. I voted 'yes'. Not because I particularly want him but on the basis he might be appointed and the press would use the poll result as the basis of a "Villa in Crisis" story.
Villa in crisis? I think the press have such a low opinion of us, they'll see it as what it is, a midtable club with no ambition.
I agree with that. I think we can do better. Unfortunately all the names mentioned recently suggest we can't. He has achieved more than Grayson, Martinez, Coyle and McLaren.
The thing that keeps us supporting our clubs, apart from loyalty, is hope. Even Coyle or Martinez, two young, up and coming managers would generate some hope. McLeish, we know all about, decent man that he is, brings nothing to the table except a clear sign the board have given up.
I have a lot of time for McLeish and think he deserves better than the crap he's had to put up with at the circus down the road. As I said, he's a very decent man and despite his ties with the Rags, deserves a bit of respect. But is he the best man for the job? Of course not. If he's the best the board can come up with, they really haven't got a clue and I say that as somebody that has always fully supported them.
Once again, I really can't see them being so stupid.
I think we agree he's not the 'best man for the job', but I gave up on getting said best man a week or so ago.
Yes, the likes of Coyle and Grayson could've done a decent job but there's nothing to suggest they would have.
I wanted Ancelotti or Van Gaal and I'm still hoping against hope for Moyes or Rijkaard... unlikely as it may seem!
That said if McLeish gets it I'll support him. I hope most supporters would.
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just renewed my season ticket.if we appoint him i am considering cancelling my first payment next month and the villa can have it back.how can we consider a manager who got the shit relegated to manage our great club.only one outcome and that will be us joining them in the championship.
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17 noses have voted
It's a good demonstration of how you can't really go by these intenet polls as a fair reflection of opinion.
I'd bet if I interviewed 100 Villa supporters on the street, about 99 would say no.
I'm just surprised there are 17 knuckledraggers that can read.
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they support Blues. I voted 'yes'. Not because I particularly want him but on the basis he might be appointed and the press would use the poll result as the basis of a "Villa in Crisis" story.
Villa in crisis? I think the press have such a low opinion of us, they'll see it as what it is, a midtable club with no ambition.
I agree with that. I think we can do better. Unfortunately all the names mentioned recently suggest we can't. He has achieved more than Grayson, Martinez, Coyle and McLaren.
The thing that keeps us supporting our clubs, apart from loyalty, is hope. Even Coyle or Martinez, two young, up and coming managers would generate some hope. McLeish, we know all about, decent man that he is, brings nothing to the table except a clear sign the board have given up.
I have a lot of time for McLeish and think he deserves better than the crap he's had to put up with at the circus down the road. As I said, he's a very decent man and despite his ties with the Rags, deserves a bit of respect. But is he the best man for the job? Of course not. If he's the best the board can come up with, they really haven't got a clue and I say that as somebody that has always fully supported them.
Once again, I really can't see them being so stupid.
Have you got your hands covering your eyes then Mark?
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17 noses have voted
It's a good demonstration of how you can't really go by these intenet polls as a fair reflection of opinion.
I'd bet if I interviewed 100 Villa supporters on the street, about 99 would say no.
I'm just surprised there are 17 knuckledraggers that can read.
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they support Blues. I voted 'yes'. Not because I particularly want him but on the basis he might be appointed and the press would use the poll result as the basis of a "Villa in Crisis" story.
Villa in crisis? I think the press have such a low opinion of us, they'll see it as what it is, a midtable club with no ambition.
I agree with that. I think we can do better. Unfortunately all the names mentioned recently suggest we can't. He has achieved more than Grayson, Martinez, Coyle and McLaren.
The thing that keeps us supporting our clubs, apart from loyalty, is hope. Even Coyle or Martinez, two young, up and coming managers would generate some hope. McLeish, we know all about, decent man that he is, brings nothing to the table except a clear sign the board have given up.
I have a lot of time for McLeish and think he deserves better than the crap he's had to put up with at the circus down the road. As I said, he's a very decent man and despite his ties with the Rags, deserves a bit of respect. But is he the best man for the job? Of course not. If he's the best the board can come up with, they really haven't got a clue and I say that as somebody that has always fully supported them.
Once again, I really can't see them being so stupid.
I think we agree he's not the 'best man for the job', but I gave up on getting said best man a week or so ago.
Yes, the likes of Coyle and Grayson could've done a decent job but there's nothing to suggest they would have.
I wanted Ancelotti or Van Gaal and I'm still hoping against hope for Moyes or Rijkaard... unlikely as it may seem!
That said if McLeish gets it I'll support him. I hope most supporters would.
I have passionately critisised his negative football in previous posts and have stated my reasons for not wanting his appointment but if he came I would support him as I support AVFC not the incumbent individuals in any given post.
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Finished below us again, didn't you?
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just renewed my season ticket.if we appoint him i am considering cancelling my first payment next month and the villa can have it back.how can we consider a manager who got the shit relegated to manage our great club.only one outcome and that will be us joining them in the championship.
I feel your pain, but that is an unfortunate choice of user name unless you are going to top yourself when you send the ST back.
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You have a great record of appointing managers of course!
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McLeish makes Martinez look like a dream appointment. I can not believe 22 people think it is a good idea.
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I don't go to Villa Park anymore as the football we've played over the last couple of seasons has bored me shitless. Appointing this c**t would probably even stop me watching it on Sky, but the way things have gone at Villa recently nothing would surprise me. One thing it would prove top me is that Lerner has absolutely no idea what he is doing.
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good god i sussed it, randy you devious sod you, got meathead to resign so all us poor villa fans go into panic mode and scream we would rather have Mclaren and then you get the guy you wanted in the first place while big Eck toddles off to nottingham, clever bugger
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No No No. Relegated TWICE, defensive team who can't defend, Roger Johnson, Zigic, Carr!!! No No No
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no chance id give my season ticket back
I wouldn't. I support Villa.
Same here. IF he is appointed, we have to support him.
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Perhaps he will be like Ron Saunders? Get Blues relegated, win the league with Villa!
Or perhaps not...
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Is that what passes for a pin-up at The Sty?
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Don't know what them lot find so funny, god help who they're going to appoint.
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Are you really that pathetic and childish to go onto another site to post that?
Mind you yours was the club that was going to dominate world football from the mid nineties onwards...Welcomed the mesia KK back even when it was obvious he couldnt hack it....Appointed Shearer in spite of no managerial experience ......got rid of Allerdyce before he could do his job....sacked BOBBY ROBSON for f"£$s sake!
Forgive me. Welcome to the site. And please note, even if we do appoint him, play dreadfully and get relegated we still wont cry, and most of us wont wear ill fitting football shirts.
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Have you got your hands covering your eyes then Mark?
I'm trying to convince myself the board are not so stupid but the rumour is extremely strong, certainly the strongest to date. Until now, they've never given me a reason to doubt them. The problem is not whether McLeish has the capacity to do a decent job at Villa Park, it's the fact that he won't be allowed to by the fans.
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Is that what passes for a pin-up at The Sty?
At least he has wrote his name on his shirt.
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it aint going to happen
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Probably took him a while to spell problem.
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Have you got your hands covering your eyes then Mark?
I'm trying to convince myself the board are not so stupid but the rumour is extremely strong, certainly the strongest to date. Until now, they've never given me a reason to doubt them. The problem is not whether McLeish has the capacity to do a decent job at Villa Park, it's the fact that he won't be allowed to by the fans.
That's my main concern. We would have to make an absolutely superb start to the season to get people onside.
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just looked on sty forum and after running my virus checker (just in case) saw that they reckon big eck left because of the board buying players he didnt want, bloody hope so
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Have you got your hands covering your eyes then Mark?
I'm trying to convince myself the board are not so stupid but the rumour is extremely strong, certainly the strongest to date. Until now, they've never given me a reason to doubt them. The problem is not whether McLeish has the capacity to do a decent job at Villa Park, it's the fact that he won't be allowed to by the fans.
That's my main concern. We would have to make an absolutely superb start to the season to get people onside.
It would have to start earlier than that by persuading players like Downing to stay. Can you see McLeish doing that where Houllier seemed to fail? No, nor can I.
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How does "Fuck off!" sound?
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear.
FUCK OFF!
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Dear Mr Tooned In:
Sunderland 10th
Newcastle 12th
The Smoggies are better than you, again!
Love
H & V
xxx
PS: Fuck off.
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Fair play, if we give it out we've got to be big enough to to take it.
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This would be almost the equivalent of Neil Lennon going to Rangers, surely Randy knows this!
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Fair play, if we give it out we've got to be big enough to to take it.
And who's theirs? Alan Fucking Pardew?
Fuck off.
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Fair play, if we give it out we've got to be big enough to to take it.
You're right Chris. We must rise above the ribbing we gave and accept our karma with grace.
Still, he can fuck off.
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Fair play, if we give it out we've got to be big enough to to take it.
And who's theirs? Alan Fucking Pardew?
Ant and Dec.
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If the board appoint anyone that makes me go 'McClaren please' I'll be fairly disappointed. This applies to McLeish.
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This must be a fucking joke !!! i cant believe randy would be so stupid. It just suits the lazy london press to make us look like a club in crisis again ! So lets just calm down and trust in randy.
If it does happen then you can count me out for s/t after 40 years!!!
WISE UP RANDY AND SORT OUR FUTURE PROPERLY VERY SOON I HOPE .
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Go on admit it, it still hurts does'nt it? ;-)
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Go on admit it, it still hurts does'nt it? ;-)
It still hurts them and its funny as fuck. Alan Pardew indeed.
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I clicked yes....
but didn't mean to, was winding my missus up but submitted (in error).
Sorry....
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The sooner the appointment of manager is made the better, whoever it is.
If it is Alex McLeish, I would hope to see less of the vitriol that we have had today as it is not in the interests of the club.
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This could well be a life changing decision ...after being a regular at Vp for 50 years, if this big scottish nob who has skin like a pigs dick gets the job I will never venture into VP again. Sofa slob looms
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Time to go and watch the England Under 21s. Who suggested Stuart Pearce as a contender for Villa manager? Still no place for Marc Albrighton in the starting 11 but Walker is in. I don't suppose he will come back.
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Funny how the findings of this poll resemble one that was put up by myself before O'Neill left.
How the pendulum has swung since then.
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Good idea? Good idea?
Fuck about. Randy has a lot of good will for me in the bank. It will be gone in one decision.
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The sooner the appointment of manager is made the better, whoever it is.
If it is Alex McLeish, I would hope to see less of the vitriol that we have had today as it is not in the interests of the club.
well said that man.
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Go on admit it, it still hurts does'nt it? ;-)
It still hurts them and its funny as fuck. Alan Pardew indeed.
They REALLY hated that banner didn't they. Splendid.
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The sooner the appointment of manager is made the better, whoever it is.
If it is Alex McLeish, I would hope to see less of the vitriol that we have had today as it is not in the interests of the club.
well said that man.
I agree, but until then let's hope the board realise that the majority of fans do not want the useless fucker in charge of this club.
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I would not renew my season ticket, which is due for renewal this Tuesday.
It would be a disgrace.
He's an incredibly shit version of MON. What's the point?
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I'll still renew. I support Aston Villa.
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They (the board) have done so much good work in the last five years and I can't see them jeopardizing all that with such an unpopular appointment. If they did go that route I couldn't defend them.
I hope it's merely coincidence or -even better- McLeish is on his way to Everton = Moyes to us.
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I wouldn't be that bothered. Probably because I don't believe we're getting him.
But still, managers come and go. Good, bad and Graham Turner. If, bizarrely, he's coming I'm sure we'd all rub along.
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This is my 5000th post. I had better make it memorable, maybe on the level of Oscar Wilde.
Fuck off McLeish.
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I'll still renew. I support Aston Villa.
Already renewed. Like you Legion, it's Aston Villa who I support. Managers and players come and go, I and Aston Villa have been around forever.
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I see this poll has been f++++d about with after the votes have been made. I thought this site was better than that. F+++ing childish and petty.
Yes - if Lerner wants him, let him come.
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I wouldn't be that bothered. Probably because I don't believe we're getting him.
But still, managers come and go. Good, bad and Graham Turner. If, bizarrely, he's coming I'm sure we'd all rub along.
Oooh you're bold!
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I see this poll has been f++++d about with after the votes have been made. I thought this site was better than that. F+++ing childish and petty.
Yes - if Lerner wants him, let him come.
I think someone needs a sense of humour transplant.
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Thanks for pointing that out. I'll amend it.
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He might not be that bad a manager.
One thing that is for sure is that he is definitely not the right man for Aston Villa. It will completely deflate the club. I have no interest in watching the horrid, utter shite football (that I was certain was the wolrst played in the league last season) that he plays. I voted no. It would be a horrid appointment.
I'm against it but it won't alter my support for the club. I'll give him a chance he probably won't deserve.
I'm going to pour myself a drink and hope this headache of rage will cease soon. I really do feel like shite.
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I see this poll has been f++++d about with after the votes have been made. I thought this site was better than that. F+++ing childish and petty.
Yes - if Lerner wants him, let him come.
I think someone needs a sense of humour transplant.
What with? The brain of a sheep?
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Not gonna happen, think positive!!
He's probably resigned due to players being put up for sale....might start the merry go round off.
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Having had space to calm,turn off ssn,i can only think its pure coincidence.
Im sure McCleish will throw his hat into the ring,as he hasn't got a job no more. But it may have more to do with the news that Johnson would be allowed to leave,and that they havent got a pot to piss in.
I'm sure he'd want the job,but so would i,and i haven't got a chance of getting it.
The bookies see the breaking news,lower the prices,just like they did with Hughes,Rafa,Martinez.
Tomorrow this will die down,his price will increase,and some other guy will become favourite until Randy employs someone...then again...
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I see this poll has been f++++d about with after the votes have been made. I thought this site was better than that. F+++ing childish and petty.
Yes - if Lerner wants him, let him come.
No!
He shall not pass!
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I dont think for a minute this will happen,but if it does then ill still support the team next year, 100%!
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He's resigned from the noses, doesn't mean to say he's coming to Villa, if you think about it and read the Generals reply to this manager thing, then he goes to great lengths to point out that the one reason it takes time is because they need to find someone that will have unity with the players, staff the board and fans.
Thats just about untickes every box Mcleish as any hope of ticking.
No way....
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They are off their heads if they appoint McLeish.
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I'll still renew. I support Aston Villa.
So do I, but I can support them and not pay to watch total dross every game.
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Having just heard the report on Sky Sports, I'm pretty sure I heard the guy say that McCleish would love the Villa job. I'm sure he would! Is this the only evidence to suggest he will come to the Villa? The fact that McCleish would like to manage Villa.
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They (the board) have done so much good work in the last five years and I can't see them jeopardizing all that with such an unpopular appointment. If they did go that route I couldn't defend them.
I hope it's merely coincidence or -even better- McLeish is on his way to Everton = Moyes to us.
I'm loving the positive thinking! Hope you're right!
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Putting aside he managed Blues, a year ago I could have made a case. Finished second in the SPL with Motherwell and Hibs, won things with Rangers when Celtic had more money to spend and had Scotland challenging for qualification instead of being out of the running after a few games. I could defend the first relegation with Blues, credit him with bouncing straight back and definately credit him with the top ten finish. But he kept his best players, spent big money on Foster and Zigic and got them relegated. I would not appoint a manager who has been relegated in two out of three seasons in the PL whoever he was and whoever he came from.
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If Lerner appoints McLeish, it would be the most misguided appointment that I can recall, anywhere. It shouldn't and must not happen.
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Having just heard the report on Sky Sports, I'm pretty sure I heard the guy say that McCleish would love the Villa job. I'm sure he would! Is this the only evidence to suggest he will come to the Villa? The fact that McCleish would like to manage Villa.
SSN understands that Gervilla from H & V would also like the Villa job. Sources close to Gervilla went on to add that at 36 , his dream of playing for Villa will probably not materialize so the managers job would have to do.
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I cant accept any argument that the 31 people who voted yes can give for doing so.
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Agreed Damo,
Even if he wasn't tainted by association with that lot, two relegations in three years is a pretty emphatic display of failure that can't merely be glossed over. Particularly the most recent one when they had a better squad than half of the sides in and around them in the drop zone.
He could well have the makings of a decent Prem manager - in time. Redknapp has encountered a few relegations in his time so I certainly wouldn't write Big Eck off. But he shouldn't be remotely in the running for the Villa gig at this point in time. Let him rebuild his reputation elsewhere.
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I would not appoint a manager who has been relegated in two out of three seasons in the PL whoever he was and whoever he came from.
Maybe Randy has restricted his search for a manager with experience in the Premier League and the Championship.
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Quite right Damo, what would the appeal be unless you are one of these teams who flirt with relegation and yo yo's between the 2 divisions (ie Birmingham)?
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I cant accept any argument that the 31 people who voted yes can give for doing so.
To try and be alternative and cool.
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No you can't 'support' them from your armchair!
You can be interested in them and still like them but to 'support' them you need to put your hand in ya pocket whenever you can afford it and get your backside down B6 to give them a bit of vocal - regardless of management and players.
Better off without you!
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We should start a new vote just in case McLiesh get the job.
The question is who would brave enough to front him out at the next Villa home game with the remark.
1) Once a Nose........
2) Get some moisterizuer or some pollyfilla.
3) Your guttering is leaking, mostly on your phucking head.
4) Leave Gabby Agbonlahor alone, he as enough problems with the english language....
5) None of the above, just phuk of and don't eat my kids on yer way out.
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Batman begins last night - Brill
Edit- sorry wrong thread
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He must be some kind of fkin magician to win something with them clowns - step forward the real 'Special One'!
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I would not appoint a manager who has been relegated in two out of three seasons in the PL whoever he was and whoever he came from.
Maybe Randy has restricted his search for a manager with experience in the Premier League and the Championship.
Well they certainly want someone with experience of managing on a tight budget. But I'd have thought they'd want a guy who'd done so successfully.
What the fuck is Randy thinking of? Is appointing McLeish part of some exit strategy where he starts by alienating the fans so we'll be glad when he decides to sell up?
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No you can't 'support' them from your armchair!
You can be interested in them and still like them but to 'support' them you need to put your hand in ya pocket whenever you can afford it and get your backside down B6 to give them a bit of vocal - regardless of management and players.
Better off without you!
Yes he can.
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One thing is for sure after all this has settled down and David Moyes is in place, i dont believe a word that the "sky sources indicate"!!!
First it was Hughes, then Mclaren, then Benitez, then Martinez now Mcleish! They were all reported to be signing "within the next 24 Hours" what a load of crap! Thats why the cockney press hate the Villa so much, we dont give them any leads or facts to work on unlike that squinty eyed crook down at White Hart lane! He'd turn up at the opening of an envelope if he thought he would get on sky sports news!
Look when MON was appointed, just turned up in a blacked out Limo and Houllier came out of the blue aswell!
In Randy we trust! He is a Villa fan aswell as the owner of our club. He knows the consequences of appointing Mcleish and i dont think it will happen. He'll go to Everton!!
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No you can't 'support' them from your armchair!
You can be interested in them and still like them but to 'support' them you need to put your hand in ya pocket whenever you can afford it and get your backside down B6 to give them a bit of vocal - regardless of management and players.
Better off without you!
Yes he can.
Define 'support'.
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Support (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/support)
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One thing is for sure after all this has settled down and David Moyes is in place, i dont believe a word that the "sky sources indicate"!!!
First it was Hughes, then Mclaren, then Benitez, then Martinez now Mcleish! They were all reported to be signing "within the next 24 Hours" what a load of crap! Thats why the cockney press hate the Villa so much, we dont give them any leads or facts to work on unlike that squinty eyed crook down at White Hart lane! He'd turn up at the opening of an envelope if he thought he would get on sky sports news!
Look when MON was appointed, just turned up in a blacked out Limo and Houllier came out of the blue aswell!
In Randy we trust! He is a Villa fan aswell as the owner of our club. He knows the consequences of appointing Mcleish and i dont think it will happen. He'll go to Everton!!
Not forgetting Pew, Pew, Barny Mcgrew, Cuthbert, Dibble and Grub.....
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From the other viewpoint if he were to join us ( He won't ). Mcleish better employ the SAS and the Royal Regiment of Scotland to protect him from that bunch of moronic blue nosed baboons. They will lynch him.
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Hey Lucky Eddie I support the Villa, I have not been since 2007 but I bloody well support them.
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I don't think I'll sleep tonight.
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I would feel awful truly awful!!
However I trust Randy and the Board to be honest. They know the reaction that Mclaren got and they will know that Mcleish would be ten times worse!! Its not concerning me overly ( yet!!)
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No you can't 'support' them from your armchair!
You can be interested in them and still like them but to 'support' them you need to put your hand in ya pocket whenever you can afford it and get your backside down B6 to give them a bit of vocal - regardless of management and players.
Better off without you!
So, in your infinite wisdom, does somebody who goes to 1 match in the season 'support' the team? Does somebody who misses 1 game from all home and away matches not qualify as a 'supporter? Is there a percentage of games you need to go to to 'support' a team? Whichever way, I'm probably better of without 'ya' contributions to be honest.
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Hey Lucky Eddie I support the Villa, I have not been since 2007 but I bloody well support them.
Fickle ;)
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FB Page (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aston-Villa-Supporters-We-dont-want-Alex-McLeish/138020092940721) if anyone is interested. Quite popular aswell.
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FB Page (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aston-Villa-Supporters-We-dont-want-Alex-McLeish/138020092940721) if anyone is interested. Quite popular aswell.
I moaned about your last one, but I'll like this one ;-)
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35 blue noses have said yes
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FB Page (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aston-Villa-Supporters-We-dont-want-Alex-McLeish/138020092940721) if anyone is interested. Quite popular aswell.
I moaned about your last one, but I'll like this one ;-)
It's not mine. I learned my lesson last time. My group is here (https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_221597527864204&ap=1). I was going to set up a page but have been out all afternoon and missed out on the opportunity.
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No you can't 'support' them from your armchair!
I'll break the news to my son he's not a Villa 'supporter'.
What a load of bollocks that 'statement' is.
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Fuck this. We're Aston Villa.
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35 blue noses have said yes
Just because it doesn't fit your opinion does not make it wrong. I voted 'yes' and I am no Blue Nose.
There may be more than one 'good idea', by the way. There are two or three managers that I would be happy with but they all deserve a chance if appointed.
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Here is how I see this...
If RL et al had identified Mcbluenose as the number one option to replace GED, if they thought that he would bring decent football to VP and get us potentially onto the chumps league then maybe (just maybe????) I might give them some support, but...
He wasn't the first choice, he wasn't even the 3rd choice for fucks sake! So if the board don't have the confidence in him, why the fuck should we?
RL et al have made a bit of a pigs ear of this, just ad they did with GED and O,Neilgate
Mark
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Rumour has it Eck quit because Yeung ate his dog for Sunday lunch.
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Just talk about McLeish being our fourth or fifth choice says it all, really. He shouldn't even be on the fourth or fifth page, even if you leave aside his Blues connection.
I would not want to be trying to sell season tickets if we appoint him, I really would not.
It would be signifying that this board, superb though they are at providing money, really don't understand the game very much.
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35 blue noses have said yes
Just because it doesn't fit your opinion does not make it wrong. I voted 'yes' and I am no Blue Nose.
There may be more than one 'good idea', by the way. There are two or three managers that I would be happy with but they all deserve a chance if appointed.
I agree. I knew that thre would be a lot of Villains who wouldn't like it but have been shocked by the reaction, particularly on H&V. I'm no expert on him but his playing and managerial career seem to have been successful on the whole. Sure he sent them lot down twice but first time around wasn't his fault and he had to deal with two sets of difficult owners. FFS he secured them some silverwear for the first time in their history!
I think he could be a good manager at a big club like ours but our fans wouldn't give him a chance and thats why Randy won't apoint him.
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This was in The Telegraph as a successor for O'Neill was being looked for last year. There might be some truth in it after all:
Chief executive Paul Faulkner revealed Villa had been picking the brains of “a variety of contacts we have within the game for advice and guidance” in a statement released on Sunday night, following their 1-0 victory over Everton. Telegraph Sport understands that they have spoken with former colleagues of both McLeish and his predecessor at St Andrew’s, Steve Bruce, in this regard.
If an approach for the latter would raise eyebrows, a move for McLeish would really cause a stir in the second city. But with Birmingham unable to reach an agreement with him over the terms for his new contract it would not — beyond the obvious difficulties associated with poaching from a rival club — be inconceivable to prise him away.
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35 blue noses have said yes
Just because it doesn't fit your opinion does not make it wrong. I voted 'yes' and I am no Blue Nose.
There may be more than one 'good idea', by the way. There are two or three managers that I would be happy with but they all deserve a chance if appointed.
and thats why Randy won't apoint him.
Phew!
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You sure Randy was not hunting Big Elk, not Eck? :-X
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I have some very good friends who are season ticket holders at Blues and even after winning the cup this season they were not happy with him. They said the football has been dire and cannot forgive him for the negative tactics, especially at home.
People say he has been working on a limited budget but he has had a fair amount for the last 18 months and generally wasted it.
Has he ever been involved as manager with a club that has been anything other than hard working.
If we are not realistically going to challenge for the top four, at least I want to see some decent football.
It's a massive NO from me.
As I am sponsored by SAGA can I have 50 votes please.
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Perhaps McLeish is a decent man who was unhappy that a convicted criminal was signed by his club over his head and he thought that his position was untenable.
I know I'm being an optimist (not a typical holte ender perspective so I'm a bit uncomfortable with it!) but I honestly don't believe that McLeish will be the next manager. Hughes or Moyes for me.
Please God let me be right!
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I'd be fucking disgusted.
He's shit. Even the likes of Blackburn wouldn't go near him.
With all the options available they would pick some anti-football manager who got his team releagted twice? Please Don't.
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It really is going to be him isn't it?
We might as well have re-appointed O'Leary.
Fuck me, welcome to 2005. And so the dream dies.
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My mate reckons McLeish resigned because Carson Yeung ate his cat.
Thats the first time anyone's been caught eating pussy in the Blues boardroom since Barry Fry walked in on Paul Peschisolido going down on Karren Brady.
Boom. Boom etc etc
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Embarrassed would be how I'd feel.
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Stop panicing everyone, it's not going to happen.
His leaving Blose will be more to do with transfer budgets, signing sexual offenders while letting others go than about joining us.
McCleish is not a bad Manager but he's not what we need and certainly not coming from them.
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I'm not having a go at the board but can you imagine how hypocritical they would be by hiring McLeish after turning down McLaren because of the fans opinion of him?
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I am off to the bookies tomorrow for a £10 on mark Hughes
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My mate reckons McLeish resigned because Carson Yeung ate his cat.
Thats the first time anyone's been caught eating pussy in the Blues boardroom since Barry Fry walked in on Paul Peschisolido going down on Karren Brady.
Boom. Boom etc etc
I think I'm gonna puke up my double whopper from Burger King...serves me right for going there.
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In Randy we still trust.
But if he employs that troll from the second club in the second city, then all his hard work would be undone in an instant.
Innocent until proven guilty though.
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I hearby start a new rumour that Eck is off to Cardiff. You heard it here first.
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Good idea - no.
Would I back him 100% - yes.
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i usually write on another villa web site but currently closed. However i have to register my protest at Alex Mc Leish. Took blues down.. derided by all other supporter clubs for his negative football. May be agood manager buy not what AVFC need at this time
I would prefer Steve McClaren! Mark Hughes is the best of a bad bunch so swallow your pride, do what's right for the club and appoint him. AVFC will never forgive Big Eck joining...........rightly or wrongly.
Still believe in Randy doing what he feels is best for the club.
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No you can't 'support' them from your armchair!
You can be interested in them and still like them but to 'support' them you need to put your hand in ya pocket whenever you can afford it and get your backside down B6 to give them a bit of vocal - regardless of management and players.
Better off without you!
OK, so I live too far away from VP to attend games - I think my last visit was 2003 - but I still support the club as much as I can in a number of ways:
I watch most of the matches on live TV, for which I pay a subscription.
I buy merchandise from time to time, and other folks buy me Villa-related gifts.
I follow events at the club on a daily basis, thanks to the internet (H&V, online newspapers, even radio5).
For me, this counts as being a supporter of the club.
I
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the next question will be if all of this is true, is what are we going to do? It's all good and well going mental, as it will only get us so far and not really achieve anything. Do we take a deep breath, wait to see what he says and what happens. Or do people without giving him a chance simply protest by not going anymore? At the end of the day I support Aston Villa, and as disappointed as I will be, I will also have to back him to do well and prove everyone wrong.
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the next question will be if all of this is true, is what are we going to do? It's all good and well going mental, as it will only get us so far and not really achieve anything. Do we take a deep breath, wait to see what he says and what happens. Or do people without giving him a chance simply protest by not going anymore? At the end of the day I support Aston Villa, and as disappointed as I will be, I will also have to back him to do well and prove everyone wrong.
It'll just be an admission from Randy that his heart isn't in it any more. With our struggling attendances, I think we'll do well to pull in 30K a game next season.
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I'm pretty sure the vast majority of fans would support the new Manager, however as it's not going to be McLleish there's nothing to worry about.
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Are there any noises coming out of the club at all about an imminent appointment of an ex-Blues manager? Sky Sports announce 5/1 on for McTwat and everybody gets hysterical. I don't think he'll be the Villa manager in this or any other lifetime.
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the next question will be if all of this is true, is what are we going to do? It's all good and well going mental, as it will only get us so far and not really achieve anything. Do we take a deep breath, wait to see what he says and what happens. Or do people without giving him a chance simply protest by not going anymore? At the end of the day I support Aston Villa, and as disappointed as I will be, I will also have to back him to do well and prove everyone wrong.
It'll just be an admission from Randy that his heart isn't in it any more. With our struggling attendances, I think we'll do well to pull in 30K a game next season.
it would also prove right the things you said to Pelty and some
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I cant accept any argument that the 31 people who voted yes can give for doing so.
To try and be alternative and cool.
Is that what the cool people are doing, hang on, haven't voted yet... What do I have to do..?
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the next question will be if all of this is true, is what are we going to do? It's all good and well going mental, as it will only get us so far and not really achieve anything. Do we take a deep breath, wait to see what he says and what happens. Or do people without giving him a chance simply protest by not going anymore? At the end of the day I support Aston Villa, and as disappointed as I will be, I will also have to back him to do well and prove everyone wrong.
It'll just be an admission from Randy that his heart isn't in it any more. With our struggling attendances, I think we'll do well to pull in 30K a game next season.
it would also prove right the things you said to Pelty and some
I don't want to be right. I want to have to hold my hands up and say "sorry Randy, sorry Pelty, the appointment of Moyes is a great move, sorry for doubting you."
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the next question will be if all of this is true, is what are we going to do? It's all good and well going mental, as it will only get us so far and not really achieve anything. Do we take a deep breath, wait to see what he says and what happens. Or do people without giving him a chance simply protest by not going anymore? At the end of the day I support Aston Villa, and as disappointed as I will be, I will also have to back him to do well and prove everyone wrong.
It'll just be an admission from Randy that his heart isn't in it any more. With our struggling attendances, I think we'll do well to pull in 30K a game next season.
it would also prove right the things you said to Pelty and some
I don't want to be right. I want to have to hold my hands up and say "sorry Randy, sorry Pelty, the appointment of Moyes is a great move, sorry for doubting you."
same here, if pelty comes on and says there Risso, after the board making an excellent appointment we will all be happy, on the other hand........
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the next question will be if all of this is true, is what are we going to do? It's all good and well going mental, as it will only get us so far and not really achieve anything. Do we take a deep breath, wait to see what he says and what happens. Or do people without giving him a chance simply protest by not going anymore? At the end of the day I support Aston Villa, and as disappointed as I will be, I will also have to back him to do well and prove everyone wrong.
It'll just be an admission from Randy that his heart isn't in it any more. With our struggling attendances, I think we'll do well to pull in 30K a game next season.
it would also prove right the things you said to Pelty and some
I don't want to be right. I want to have to hold my hands up and say "sorry Randy, sorry Pelty, the appointment of Moyes is a great move, sorry for doubting you."
same here, if pelty comes on and says there Risso, after the board making an excellent appointment we will all be happy, on the other hand........
Cut and paste it. You may need it.
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It would mean giving up.
Appoint him and it is nigh on impossible to deny the club is going backward. It is just staggering to think he is even an option.
I can't even begun to see how they think it is a good idea. Some on here have slaughtered the board for a while, and I've been staunchly behind them, but that would be it for me, it would be the confirmation that the niggling suspicions of the last year or so were well founded.
Providing the money is great, but running a football club is about much more than that. Money alone is not enough. Over the last few years I thought they were trying to make us the new Ajax, money plus sensible management and ambition.
Make this appointment and we look like the new Newcastle.
Truly staggering.
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Don't worry, it's not going to happen.
My money is on Moyes still.
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I think I would be sick for a week. I have contently listened to noses moaning about how boring his football has been since he took the job there. Hope it doesn't happen. I would prefer if Ellis was given the job.
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35 blue noses have said yes
Just because it doesn't fit your opinion does not make it wrong. I voted 'yes' and I am no Blue Nose.
There may be more than one 'good idea', by the way. There are two or three managers that I would be happy with but they all deserve a chance if appointed.
I agree. I knew that thre would be a lot of Villains who wouldn't like it but have been shocked by the reaction, particularly on H&V. I'm no expert on him but his playing and managerial career seem to have been successful on the whole. Sure he sent them lot down twice but first time around wasn't his fault and he had to deal with two sets of difficult owners. FFS he secured them some silverwear for the first time in their history!
I think he could be a good manager at a big club like ours but our fans wouldn't give him a chance and thats why Randy won't apoint him.
I voted yes for the above reasons.
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Can't remember which episode it was, but some of the recent events at Villa remind me of one Mr Burns starring roles in an episode of The Simpsons.
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My money is on Moyes still.
Good luck with getting a return on that investment then!
This is all a ruse to make the appointment of Maclaren/Hughes to look like a stroke of genuis
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Alex McCleish quit over transfers. Carson Yeung said to him "Wa yu wan faw playas in suma Awex?" , McLeish replied "6 defenders". Yeung came back with Marlon King. "I said 6 defenders, not sex offenders".
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Alex McCleish quit over transfers. Carson Yeung said to him "Wa yu wan faw playas in suma Awex?" , McLeish replied "6 defenders". Yeung came back with Marlon King. "I said 6 defenders, not sex offenders".
Nice touch, mate!
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A life long villa fan and season ticket holder. If Erck is appointed the new manager I will not renew our 3 season tickets until he goes.
I cannot understand how the board can even think that the villa fans would be happy with this appointment. Football is a tribal sport this apointment just cannot work !!!
It is such a bad idea that it makes hollie and maclaren look great appointments.
I'm just in shock if this happens - I don't know what to say other than NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!
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Is it safe to go to bed now? Can anything bad happen over night whilst we are not looking.....
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Cant believe theres actually 42 people who think this is a good idea...surely they must be Baggies fans taking the piss???
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Horrendous idea. I'd take Dr. Venglos over him. With John Gregory as his assistant.
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I did a bad turd when I heard this
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I've had a good hard think about this one, and I think I'd be mildly disappointed.
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sometimes i hate this place
THE NEWS OF THE WORLD says we are in for mcLeish
mcleish resigns from birmingham
this place goes nuts
NEWS OF THE fucken WORLD
get a fucking grip of yourselves
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I thought it was April 1st when I read this story on the Grauniad website.
Appointing McLeish would be a PR disaster of epic proportions by Lerner and Faulkner. In football terms, we would kiss goodbye our top-6 aspirations and would need to be getting used to mid-low table obscurity with regular relegation battles.
Honestly can't believe they would appoint him - It has to be just a coincidence that he's resigned at this time.
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does randy and co know how much is riding on this there must be hundreds not renewing their
season tickets at the moment, i for one have my season ticket money ready and waiting to spend but not if it is numpty from over the dark side comes in. i know villa fans saying oh support your team not the manager, but why should i pay to watch us get religated with sodding boring football
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Please nooooooo I really don't wan't him at my club no way it would be madness I think this is crazy if we appoint McLeish.
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being reported that randy quizzed karren brady at great length to find out everything he could about mcleish and she was full of praise for him and the job he did under her at blues.
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I did a bad turd when I heard this
As the Clash said; 'You really think it's all new, you really think about it it too..'
Fuck off. Now is not the time.
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All we need now is MON to join Blues and a cup draw against them next season - armageddon I believe it's called
This chest thumping over McLeish is pretty pathetic though. On purely football terms I'd not be overjoyed with him but the fact that he managed BCFC doesn't matter at all. No use singing 'Villa Till I Die' on the Holte if you take flight with tribal posturing when our club selects someone who managed Blues. Get over it.
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All we need now is MON to join Blues and a cup draw against them next season - armageddon I believe it's called
This chest thumping over McLeish is pretty pathetic though. On purely football terms I'd not be overjoyed with him but the fact that he managed BCFC doesn't matter at all. No use singing 'Villa Till I Die' on the Holte if you take flight with tribal posturing when our club selects someone who managed Blues. Get over it.
Perhaps people don't think he's good enough for the job.
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All we need now is MON to join Blues and a cup draw against them next season - armageddon I believe it's called
This chest thumping over McLeish is pretty pathetic though. On purely football terms I'd not be overjoyed with him but the fact that he managed BCFC doesn't matter at all. No use singing 'Villa Till I Die' on the Holte if you take flight with tribal posturing when our club selects someone who managed Blues. Get over it.
Perhaps people don't think he's good enough for the job.
Perhaps you're right, i'm talking purely about his Blues connection as not been reason enough not to have him though.
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I've always rated Eck to be honest. Small heath were relegated in spite of him rather than because of him imo. I appreciate that I'm in a minority here but I reckon he would do well with us.
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Well, actually we would aparently love to have him here! This from The Telegraph:
" Of course, they could argue that anyone who got Birmingham relegated twice in the space of four years should be seen as something of a cult hero at Villa Park. "
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Jesus wept. They really don't understand, do they?
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The important thing to remember is that the current Villa board don't tap managers up. I'd be very surprised if Randy flew to Corsica to convince McLeish to break his contract. How they handled Martinez proves this. McLeish has resigned because he couldn't stand working with that shower any longer. The reaction from the Blues board shows that they have had no official contact from Villa.
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Is Jesus also a Villa Fan? Well his Dad did play for us.
Eck won't come over from the dark side. Not because he worked down in the hot place but because his team could not score or defend. He is just not good enough for a Club of our size and aspirations.
Furthermore he and his Family would be in fear of their safety from that lot.
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I did a bad turd when I heard this
As the Clash said; 'You really think it's all new, you really think about it it too..'
Fuck off. Now is not the time.
Seconded.
Change the fucking record.
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Idont buy the waffle about him having a good track record. 2 relegations in noseland make him a legend we dont want, a team which dont score unless an extended line prop is playing, with a thuggee style midfield and little skill does not recommend itself. Forget the Blues link, his style and record is not good enough.
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I'd have thought two of our criteria would have been a manager who plays good football and a manager with a good track record of success. I can't see how a bloke who has got Blues relegated twice, and was almost universally panned for the dreadfull negative football they played last season, can even be considered.
The only thing that could possibly commend this is that it will piss the Blues hierarchy off, although probably not a good proportion of their fans who were very criticial of McLeish last season..
I'm afraid if he is appointed, when the likes of Jol, Hughes and Benitez have been available, it will be a sure sign that Randy and Co. simply do not know what they are doing. Can I change my mind about Shteve?
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Just reading through some of the posts and I have to say that if the owners were swayed by the negative reaction to Shteve, then there should be even less chance of them considering Eck. Surely they wouldn't be that daft would they?
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No they're not that daft on several levels. I'm fairly relaxed about the McLeish talk as I'm fairly sure it's not going to happen.
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So we don't want McLaren or McLeish? So who do we eant who is out there? Come on guys we are Aston Villa and we are bigger than all this pettiness. Plus we now have the press snooping around all the internet forums looking for the disenters to say something controversial against Randy and drag the club through the mud. I for one don't want that!
If it's McLeish I for one will give him a chance as the manager of my football club.
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I cannot believe for one second that Randy Lerner would be this stupid, McLeish has resigned because of internal issues and I for one am keeping my season ticket money in my pocket until this is resolved.
He won't be coming to us.
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I would be utterly amazed that the club would make this appointment. Gobsmacked
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I feel sick.
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Comfortably Numb.
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If we appoint this guy , season tickets sales will plummet and we will end up playing awful negative football . His record is poor its that simple . I just hope to god its just paper talk . As my username suggests i don't live in brum anymore but appointing an ex blues manager and a not very good one at that still brings me out in a cold sweat .
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We shouldn't have made such a fuss about McLaren. There will always be folk who dislike one manager or other, so if the board are checking these sites to see
who would be acceptable they will always be disappointed. They should listen to experts not us.
But FFS, McLeish? I miss Houllier now.
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If we hire him, we may as well give up trying to compete with the big dogs. We won't go down, but we'll be lucky to finish top half. Furthermore, such an uninspiring appointment will only lead to a lot of our big time players leaving. Downing will surely go. Then next up we could find Makoun wanting to move on. Bent would certainly begin making waves in January about leaving.
We were piss poor last season, but we still had enough about us that given time, we could get back to the level we were previously, not far shy of competing with the top 4. We need momentum though. McLeish for a year or two would only set us back.
Plus the standard of football would be utterly dreadful. He's signed a lot of crap players too. He signed Marlon King FFS!
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the one thing about macleish you could say in his favor is that he has a solid attitude and decent integrity(a rare thing in footie these days) but if he he did come to villa he would be totally pissing on that integrity which would leave very little else, just a piss boring manager.
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So we don't want McLaren or McLeish? So who do we eant who is out there? Come on guys we are Aston Villa and we are bigger than all this pettiness. Plus we now have the press snooping around all the internet forums looking for the disenters to say something controversial against Randy and drag the club through the mud. I for one don't want that!
If it's McLeish I for one will give him a chance as the manager of my football club.
Me too - He's probably got a better track record of trophies won than Fergie had when he joined Utd and better than any Villa manager in recent memory.
A manager is only as good as the players he has at his disposal and our squad is massively stronger than Blues and would be even better if he bought Foster and Johnson with him! Hes as good as we are likely to get - if it wasn't for the connection with our neighbours would everybody be so against it?
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the one thing about macleish you could say in his favor is that he has a solid attitude and decent integrity(a rare thing in footie these days) but if he he did come to villa he would be totally pissing on that integrity which would leave very little else, just a piss boring manager.
resigning by email is generally considered to be the mark of a man with integrity.
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if it wasn't for the connection with our neighbours would everybody be so against it?
Yes
In fact, the Blues connection is the bit that worries me the least. It is the two relegations in three years and the utterly dreadful defensive football that bothers me.
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Agreed , the blues connection will always rankle but its his record and style that screams that he is the wrong choice . Imagine two games in and no points and big eck as boss , the guy would get slaughtered and never recover . The connection is there with small heath and there is no point denying it 85% maybe more of villa fans will never accept him . Im struggling to see past it too , and when i do i see a poor manager .
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I refuse to believe we're even considering McLeish. The man who's taken Birmingham down twice in, what, four seasons? They actually had a pretty decent squad this season and still went down - with the worst goalscoring record in the league too, wasn't it?
I wouldn't see any positives in this.
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The Noses have refused to accept his resignation.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13747057.stm
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Glad the "message to RL etc " was locked. God help us if RL is appraised of 'our' opinions.
To the Poster- direct your opinions to the Press. The Club has not even hinted at any approach to McCleish. In any event judge him as a manager not because he worked for Small Heath. He is not for us because of his (recent) CV. Not his recent or even apparently current employee.
Get a grip mate. Some of us remember Trevor Hockey turning out in a Villa shirt. FGS. Who cares if he played or worked for them.
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I refuse to believe we're even considering McLeish. The man who's taken Birmingham down twice in, what, four seasons? They actually had a pretty decent squad this season and still went down - with the worst goalscoring record in the league too, wasn't it?
I wouldn't see any positives in this.
i dont want him because of his style of play,
but why just mention the relegations, what about the fact that he's there the most succesfull manager of all times, he won the first major honour in there entire history,
i for one didnt think they would ever win anything in my lifetime, but they have under AM,
so we need some balance, yes he's been relegated a couple of times, he's also won the league and a few cups in Scotland had a decent time when manager of Scotland,
he's not completley useless,
put it this way, he's won more than Moyes, Hughes, Martinez and Coyle all put together,
they might not have the relegations on there CV's, but they aint got any trophies either.
i dont want him, but it pisses me of with the one sided posts about his record.
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he's also won the league and a few cups in Scotland.
WOW!
What an achievement.
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he's also won the league and a few cups in Scotland.
WOW!
What an achievement.
no point even trying to discuss the post with you,
because your just the biggest Twat on here who wouldnt know pigs arse from pork.
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I refuse to believe we're even considering McLeish. The man who's taken Birmingham down twice in, what, four seasons? They actually had a pretty decent squad this season and still went down - with the worst goalscoring record in the league too, wasn't it?
I wouldn't see any positives in this.
i dont want him because of his style of play,
but why just mention the relegations, what about the fact that he's there the most succesfull manager of all times, he won the first major honour in there entire history,
i for one didnt think they would ever win anything in my lifetime, but they have under AM,
so we need some balance, yes he's been relegated a couple of times, he's also won the league and a few cups in Scotland had a decent time when manager of Scotland,
he's not completley useless,
put it this way, he's won more than Moyes, Hughes, Martinez and Coyle all put together,
they might not have the relegations on there CV's, but they aint got any trophies either.
i dont want him, but it pisses me of with the one sided posts about his record.
well said John, winning trophies is not just down to money it is also a very good habit and although I would not be pleased with his appointment, I would still back the team,the club and yes the manager !
I wonder what would happen on here if he was appointed and actually managed to win something..
UTV
The Doc
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he's also won the league and a few cups in Scotland.
WOW!
What an achievement.
no point even trying to discuss the post with you,
because your just the biggest Twat on here who wouldnt know pigs arse from pork.
Now, Now John effluent. Then again, i'd be grumpy if I lived in Newport Pagnall.
Clearly your positve comments on McLeish didn't get the reaction you required.
Bad luck Grandad.
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he's also won the league and a few cups in Scotland.
WOW!
What an achievement.
no point even trying to discuss the post with you,
because your just the biggest Twat on here who wouldnt know pigs arse from pork.
Calm down please john, that's most unlike you.
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he's also won the league and a few cups in Scotland.
WOW!
What an achievement.
no point even trying to discuss the post with you,
because your just the biggest Twat on here who wouldnt know pigs arse from pork.
Now, Now John effluent. Then again, i'd be grumpy if I lived in Newport Pagnall.
Clearly your positve comments on McLeish didn't get the reaction you required.
Bad luck Grandad.
i do live in Newport Pagnell, which you struggle to spell, but i can always move,
you however will always remain a complete Wanker
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2011/06/villa_risk_fans_wrath_if_they.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
The usual guff from the BBC!
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Oh and I can name at least three bigger twats on here than Fletch. Me, for one! ;)
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he's also won the league and a few cups in Scotland.
WOW!
What an achievement.
no point even trying to discuss the post with you,
because your just the biggest Twat on here who wouldnt know pigs arse from pork.
Now, Now John effluent. Then again, i'd be grumpy if I lived in Newport Pagnall.
Clearly your positve comments on McLeish didn't get the reaction you required.
Bad luck Grandad.
i do live in Newport Pagnell, which you struggle to spell, but i can always move,
you however will always remain a complete Wanker
That's twice now.
Surely a banning. he's also won the league and a few cups in Scotland.
WOW!
What an achievement.
no point even trying to discuss the post with you,
because your just the biggest Twat on here who wouldnt know pigs arse from pork.
Now, Now John effluent. Then again, i'd be grumpy if I lived in Newport Pagnall.
Clearly your positve comments on McLeish didn't get the reaction you required.
Bad luck Grandad.
i do live in Newport Pagnell, which you struggle to spell, but i can always move,
you however will always remain a complete Wanker
That's twice now, surely a banning.
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I refuse to believe we're even considering McLeish. The man who's taken Birmingham down twice in, what, four seasons? They actually had a pretty decent squad this season and still went down - with the worst goalscoring record in the league too, wasn't it?
I wouldn't see any positives in this - even though Blues won the Carling Cup last season.
i dont want him because of his style of play,
but why just mention the relegations, what about the fact that he's there the most succesfull manager of all times, he won the first major honour in there entire history,
i for one didnt think they would ever win anything in my lifetime, but they have under AM,
so we need some balance, yes he's been relegated a couple of times, he's also won the league and a few cups in Scotland had a decent time when manager of Scotland,
he's not completley useless,
put it this way, he's won more than Moyes, Hughes, Martinez and Coyle all put together,
they might not have the relegations on there CV's, but they aint got any trophies either.
i dont want him, but it pisses me of with the one sided posts about his record.
I've amended it slightly to make you happier, John. Sorry for the one-sided post - just answering the thread title. On balance, I acknowledge the League Cup win, but look at the dour, defensively-minded team he's put together and seen relegated twice and have decided he's not the man for us.
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Come on fletch let's not surround ref risso asking him to pull out a red one?
Passions are running high but I'm inclined to think John makes some valid points on mcleish.
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Come on fletch let's not surround ref risso asking him to pull out a red one?
Passions are running high but I'm inclined to think John makes some valid points on mcleish.
No need for two lots of abuse, all for saying that Scottish football achievements are meaningless.
Maybe I should have trod more carefully, some people are passionate about Scots football.
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Maybe I should have trod more carefully, some people are passionate about Scots football.
You disgust me, Fletcher, with your ill-disguised bigotry.
People have fought and died for the right to regard Scottish football as not rubbish. Your libels are an insult to their names, you rotter.
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i do live in Newport Pagnell, but i can always move,
you however will always remain a complete Wanker
Top comeback Mr e.
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Im not holding the fact he got Birmingham relegated against him. Infact, that calls for some sort of award. He would sort out our defence. He knows how to win things. No point worrying, my money is on him going to Everton to replace the Villa bound Moyes
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I thing one thing that Randy is looking to achieve with an appointment is reunite the fanbase as I think one of the things about last season they want to avoid is a split group, we should all be in it together.
Mcleish will not unite the fans
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McLeish will unite us. in the negative sense.
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i do live in Newport Pagnell, but i can always move,
you however will always remain a complete Wanker
Top comeback Mr e.
Churchill-esque, in fact. Which as a complete yoghurt knitter must have really rubbed it in to Red Fletch.
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If we appointed Mcleish I would say it ranks up there with Mcneill and Venglos as bad managerial appointments
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No way want him as villa boss and dont want that blue nose bastard gardner back either !!!
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How did you view Turner?
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How did you view Turner?
At the time of his appointment it was , some would say, a brave and exciting step as he was a young manager making his start in the game and seemed destined for bigger things much like a Poyet or Di Matteo of today I guess.
After about 6 months it was apparent it was a bad move
Mcneill and Venglos were, for me, just rank bad appointments from the start
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problem with the poll is that a supporter of any club could join and for a laugh vote yes to McLeish.
If he is appointed, there will be loads of people saying back him, back Randy. Fuck that, don't go, boycott the matches, until this clown is removed.
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How did you view Turner?
At the time of his appointment it was , some would say, a brave and exciting step as he was a young manager making his start in the game and seemed destined for bigger things much like a Poyet or Di Matteo of today I guess.
Venglos could have been our Arsene Wenger - very similar when they first joined and the comments that were made
After about 6 months it was apparent it was a bad move
Mcneill and Venglos were, for me, just rank bad appointments from the start
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Eh? Not go to the games? Of my team? Because the owners choose a manager that they think best placed to take the team forward whoever he/she be? This doesnt make sense.
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i do live in Newport Pagnell, but i can always move,
you however will always remain a complete Wanker
Top comeback Mr e.
Churchill-esque, in fact. Which as a complete yoghurt knitter must have really rubbed it in to Red Fletch.
He really got under my skin.
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If he is appointed, there will be loads of people saying back him, back Randy. Fuck that, don't go, boycott the matches, until this clown is removed.
Wow, calling for him to go before he's even been interviewed for the job. Very avant-garde
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Eh? Not go to the games? Of my team? Because the owners choose a manager that they think best placed to take the team forward whoever he/she be? This doesnt make sense.
So if Randy appointed DOL for a second term would you still think the same?
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Eh? Not go to the games? Of my team? Because the owners choose a manager that they think best placed to take the team forward whoever he/she be? This doesnt make sense.
Randy may own the team, he can appoint whoever the fuck he likes, but as fans we have the right to protest. The most effective method of doing this is by not going.
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aston villa have been in contact with birmingham about eck
words fucking fail me
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If he is appointed, there will be loads of people saying back him, back Randy. Fuck that, don't go, boycott the matches, until this clown is removed.
Wow, calling for him to go before he's even been interviewed for the job. Very avant-garde
you are probably right, I am clearly getting ahead of myself but I am really worried. The reports are we have contacted Birmingham to see if we can talk to McLeish. Why would we want to talk to him, it shouldn't ever have been a consideration?
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aston villa have been in contact with birmingham about eck
words fucking fail me
Capital letters and correct punctuation definitely do!
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blose played the worse football in the prem last year , they made Blackpool look like real Mardrid to be honest..
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blose played the worse football in the prem last year , they made Blackpool look like real Mardrid to be honest..
Odd example as Blackpool probably played some of the most expansive, attacking football seen in the league for years.
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I guess you are right. Look at Manchester United. Those guys that boycotted games missed nothing as United have withered and died in the meantime, didnt have to support their team, and got rid of the Glazers too.
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Putting aside the fact he's relegated the world's most inferior local 'rivals', twice, whilst playing the worst excuse for football seen since Plough Lane was still a league ground, I'd like to object to the appointment of Alex McLeish on the grounds that if you shaved his hair and painted him green, he'd look exactly like a tortoise.
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If the answer to the question "Who should be Aston Villa Manager" is "Alex McLeish" then some clueless fuckwit is asking the wrong questions.
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Of all the football clubs in all the towns in all the world, and Fucking Eck wants to walk into mine?
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Bet this is going to make Bent & downing want to stay
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I couldn't give a flying fuck about the blues connection, I really couldn't.
From what I can gather, the board stated that the new man would be chosen to continue GH's transformation of the club (transfer policy and playing style I assume). Now where is the logic in appointing a man whose style makes MON look like Guardiola in comparison? It defies all logic, and IF it does come about (and I hope to fuck that the board reconsider), then I really will question their ability for the first time since Randy bought the club.
And also, how they would still consider him after the way he quit, when that was pretty much the reason they discounted Hughes. It makes no sense at all.
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Blues want £5.5mill if we sign him
It's bad enough if we have him, but to pay £5.5mill for the privilege of this is beyond belief!
Do the board really know what they are doing regarding appointing a manager? I have my doubts
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Well I'm trying to get my head around this situation and prepare for this unthinkable scenario and have read up on his managerial background. Take away all the relegation fights (a fair few) he has had and his record isn't bad at all ;)
While a player for Aberdeen he came with the squad that played Dawlish Town, Exeter City and Plymouth in a pre-season tour. My mom used to wash the kits for Dawlish and offered to wash Aberdeen's as they were staying just up the road. We got to know a fair few of the players, Eck, Willie Miller, Jim Bet and the keeper Jim Leighton. At one point we had McCleish and Jim Bett in our green Cortina Estate giving them a lift. During the Exeter game Jim Bett was shouting to my mom in the stands and waving at us. It was cool as a young lad having Their kit on our washing line too.
For a period of 8 or 9 years we used to get some big clubs playing Dawlish and these were one of the most friendly.
We had QPR (with Seaman in goal), Platt scoring a hatrick while at Crewe (Crewe came every year for about 6 years), Watford with Steve Harrison who was great (I served him and some players 99's from a Ice cream Kiosk), Spurs (Mabbut, Waddle and Hoddle years), Sheffield Wednesday and Chelsea. It was good times for Dawlish.
Out of them all QPR, Watford and especially Aberdeen were brilliant and they had lots of time for everyone.
Anyway, I thought I'd try and put a positive spin on this. I've done my best.
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Proud history, financially ruinous future. Only qualification for the Big Cup could replace the revenue likely to be lost should he get the job.
I'd love to give him the benefit of the doubt but leading Birmingham to relegation twice does little for my confidence.
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i do live in Newport Pagnell, but i can always move,
you however will always remain a complete Wanker
Top comeback Mr e.
Churchill-esque, in fact. Which as a complete yoghurt knitter must have really rubbed it in to Red Fletch.
Fletch ain't red, he's yella: or was until Clegg went blue.
But I digress. The important point here is that if you are going to be a wanker, and I for one have no intention of abstaining from this pleasant diversion, it is surely better to be a complete one than an incomplete one.
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since august of last year this club has been an absolute joke
the joke was never funny in the first place but it is really annoying now
Randy Lerner hasnt got a clue about football, its been shown for nearly a year now
the main problem with this eck shite, is not where he is coming from or anything to do with birmingham
it is the fact that in 4 seasons he has been relegated from the premier league twice
jesus wept
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since august of last year this club has been an absolute joke
the joke was never funny in the first place but it is really annoying now
Randy Lerner hasnt got a clue about football, its been shown for nearly a year now
the main problem with this eck shite, is not where he is coming from or anything to do with birmingham
it is the fact that in 4 seasons he has been relegated from the premier league twice
jesus wept
I've not seen anything to suggest the McLeish story has any more legs than any other story doing the rounds. I have however seen the best english goalscorer currently playing, a pile of internationals and a group of the best young players I've ever seen pulling on the C&B every week.
Lets give the guy a break before we all look pretty daft, he's ploughed millions into keeping us happy.
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since august of last year this club has been an absolute joke
the joke was never funny in the first place but it is really annoying now
Randy Lerner hasnt got a clue about football, its been shown for nearly a year now
the main problem with this eck shite, is not where he is coming from or anything to do with birmingham
it is the fact that in 4 seasons he has been relegated from the premier league twice
jesus wept
I've not seen anything to suggest the McLeish story has any more legs than any other story doing the rounds. I have however seen the best english goalscorer currently playing, a pile of internationals and a group of the best young players I've ever seen pulling on the C&B every week.
Lets give the guy a break before we all look pretty daft, he's ploughed millions into keeping us happy.
for once i would not mind having egg on my face
i just hope this is nonsense
but the club should be coming out and saying that this is all lies
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SVC on talkshit, backing McLeish. He said he is the exact type of manager we need.
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Krulak has said they wont be commenting on every bit of press speculation.
This speculation is probably hitting them financially though.
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blose played the worse football in the prem last year , they made Blackpool look like real Mardrid to be honest..
Odd example as Blackpool probably played some of the most expansive, attacking football seen in the league for years.
ok west ham look like Villa
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The clubs bigger than Mcleish, or me, or anyone else, weve just got to get behind him, just like we would Hiddink or Jose, anything else and were just shooting ourselves in the nuts, were in danger of doing what the noses have done for years and becoming obssesed with our neighbours, Villa over everything.
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SVC on talkshit, backing McLeish. He said he is the exact type of manager we need.
the same SVC , who said we were mad to sign Darren Bent
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Vote no? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/poll/2011/jun/13/aston-villa-birminghamcityfc)
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Krulak has said they wont be commenting on every bit of press speculation.
but this is kind of different
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a few blose fans voted yes...
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Krulak has said they wont be commenting on every bit of press speculation.
but this is kind of different
Not really, its still just speculation
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We didn't get our 1st choice, or our 2nd or 3rd and we get linked to a manager who is at best a championship manager.
What the hell has gone wrong? When did being the Villa manager appear to be such a bad option?
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SVC on talkshit, backing McLeish. He said he is the exact type of manager we need.
the same SVC , who said we were mad to sign Darren Bent
scumshit collymore still showing he's a Villa fan then. Fucking wanker.
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He's definitely a Villa fan.
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He's definitely a Villa fan.
He treated the club like shit when he was a player here, apparently didn't think we should sign Bent and seems to think McLeish is the manager we need. I'd hate to see what he'd do if he didn't like us.
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He's definitely a Villa fan.
He treated the club like shit when he was a player here, apparently didn't think we should sign Bent and seems to think McLeish is the manager we need. I'd hate to see what he'd do if he didn't like us.
To what extent did he treat us like shit? I can guarantee that he is Villa through and through.
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I honestly don't see a big difference between McLeish and MON. The main difference is MON had a lot more money to spend.
That's not to say I want him at Villa, quite the opposite in fact.
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He's definitely a Villa fan.
He treated the club like shit when he was a player here, apparently didn't think we should sign Bent and seems to think McLeish is the manager we need. I'd hate to see what he'd do if he didn't like us.
To what extent did he treat us like shit? I can guarantee that he is Villa through and through.
The fact that in his time here I can only think of half a dozen or so times he played well or particularly looked like he gave a shit. That European away game (can't remember who off the top of my head), WBA, Liverpool, second half v Arsenal, that goal v Madrid, and Spurs.
By the same token, how didn't he treat us like shit when he was here, or how did he show that he was Villa through and through?
It's easy to say now he gets paid to cover us a lot.
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There is now a McLeish not welcome banner on the Holte End gates.
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(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/321062899.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1307995942&Signature=7bDEMRcYuGwzJlK2cZK3PssTFlI%3D)
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Terrible letter formation.
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ROMANES EUNT DOMUS
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ROMANES EUNT DOMUS
Very good.
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It's the crushing realisation of where we now are in the food chain that gets you, isnt it?
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Well it's a lot better than that comic-sans font.
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And the worlds shittest banner award goes to .....
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He's definitely a Villa fan.
He treated the club like shit when he was a player here, apparently didn't think we should sign Bent and seems to think McLeish is the manager we need. I'd hate to see what he'd do if he didn't like us.
To what extent did he treat us like shit? I can guarantee that he is Villa through and through.
The fact that in his time here I can only think of half a dozen or so times he played well or particularly looked like he gave a shit. That European away game (can't remember who off the top of my head), WBA, Liverpool, second half v Arsenal, that goal v Madrid, and Spurs.
By the same token, how didn't he treat us like shit when he was here, or how did he show that he was Villa through and through?
It's easy to say now he gets paid to cover us a lot.
Well said PeterWithe'sShin. He was a catostrophic signing that ultimately cost Little his job, upset team morale more or less straight away and delivered about 7 decent performances in 2.5 seasons for £7million. A complete and utter waster of space.
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Written in faeces.
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Collymore, Collymore,
The biggest wanker I ever saw,
For eight million pound, we could build a new ground,
Instead, we bought Collymore.
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Well I have nailed my colours to the mast today. Renewed my
2 season tickets and added a 3rd. I have faith in that we will not appoint McLeish.
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Atleast the banner is sending out a clear message.
Tying a banner to the holte end gates which says McLeish isn't welcome BEFORE we've even appointed any manager does show how strongly villa fans feel about this.
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He's definitely a Villa fan.
He treated the club like shit when he was a player here, apparently didn't think we should sign Bent and seems to think McLeish is the manager we need. I'd hate to see what he'd do if he didn't like us.
To what extent did he treat us like shit? I can guarantee that he is Villa through and through.
The fact that in his time here I can only think of half a dozen or so times he played well or particularly looked like he gave a shit. That European away game (can't remember who off the top of my head), WBA, Liverpool, second half v Arsenal, that goal v Madrid, and Spurs.
By the same token, how didn't he treat us like shit when he was here, or how did he show that he was Villa through and through?
It's easy to say now he gets paid to cover us a lot.
Well said PeterWithe'sShin. He was a catostrophic signing that ultimately cost Little his job, upset team morale more or less straight away and delivered about 7 decent performances in 2.5 seasons for £7million. A complete and utter waster of space.
Little? Collymore was a Gregory signing wasn't he?
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There was no banner there at 6.30.
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He's definitely a Villa fan.
He treated the club like shit when he was a player here, apparently didn't think we should sign Bent and seems to think McLeish is the manager we need. I'd hate to see what he'd do if he didn't like us.
To what extent did he treat us like shit? I can guarantee that he is Villa through and through.
The fact that in his time here I can only think of half a dozen or so times he played well or particularly looked like he gave a shit. That European away game (can't remember who off the top of my head), WBA, Liverpool, second half v Arsenal, that goal v Madrid, and Spurs.
By the same token, how didn't he treat us like shit when he was here, or how did he show that he was Villa through and through?
It's easy to say now he gets paid to cover us a lot.
Well said PeterWithe'sShin. He was a catostrophic signing that ultimately cost Little his job, upset team morale more or less straight away and delivered about 7 decent performances in 2.5 seasons for £7million. A complete and utter waster of space.
Little? Collymore was a Gregory signing wasn't he?
Nope, Sir Brian
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I stand corrected.
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We really haven't shone in the banner department this season have we. The "Good luck Arsenal" one, the twat with the "Houllier Out" one and now this. Oh for the glory days of decent banners.
As we're running out of manager polls, maybe we could have a shittest banner of the year poll.
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We finished 4th in 96 and in the summer signed Stan and I thought it was ace. Never felt so good about the club as I did than. We had won the League cup semi final in the FA and fourth. We were going places with my boyhood hero Brian in charge. Stan should have been the finishing touch .....alas rest is history
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We finished 4th in 96 and in the summer signed Stan and I thought it was ace. Never felt so good about the club as I did than. We had won the League cup semi final in the FA and fourth. We were going places with my boyhood hero Brian in charge. Stan should have been the finishing touch .....alas rest is history
We finished 4th in 96 and 5th in 97. Collymore was signed in 1997 - the rest really is history as we became a shadow of the team of previous 2 seasons and Little went to be followed by Staunton and Yorke soon after.
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We finished 4th in 96 and in the summer signed Stan and I thought it was ace. Never felt so good about the club as I did than. We had won the League cup semi final in the FA and fourth. We were going places with my boyhood hero Brian in charge. Stan should have been the finishing touch .....alas rest is history
Little should've acheived so much more as Villa manager, he was a cracking manager. It's strange how there aren't many ex-Villa players as managers out there, they're all bloody pundits on tv, Gray, Mcinally, Merson, Dublin, Townshend, Collymore.
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Just posted this on the other thread, but though it appropriate here also:
Trying to put a positive spin on things (I know it's hard), Mcleish was manager of possibly Blues' best ever seasons. They finished 9th and then won a trophy and he did it with no money, a bunch of Villa rejects and some not very good players. The first time they were relegated he didnt have chance to do anything, and this time he was hit very hard by injuries. Does that do anything for anyone???
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GT on the BBC Sport site:
"When Gerard became ill it must have occurred to them that he may not come back, even if the signs were that he may have returned.
"This is not being disrespectful to Gerard in any way, but once he became unwell then you have to immediately start exploring what you might do if he does not come back.
"It doesn't appear to me and many others that this has been done. They seem to be going from name to name.
"Villa don't seem to have grasped that nettle at all. It is disappointing. I still live in the area and have a special feeling for them as you always do about clubs you have managed, but I have been surprised and disappointed at their handling of this."
Do you get the impression that they are out of thier depth?
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According to the guardian 6000 have signed an anti mcleish petition. anyone got a link?
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https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aston-Villa-Supporters-We-dont-want-Alex-McLeish/138020092940721
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According to the guardian 6000 have signed an anti mcleish petition. anyone got a link?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/poll/2011/jun/13/aston-villa-birminghamcityfc
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Over 8000 now thanks for link
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Mcleish was manager of possibly Blues' best ever seasons.
That's simply true and I agree with you.
Football fans, and not fanatics= anyone who is objective can definitely can see the positives if McLeish becomes Villa manager
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And the worlds shittest banner award goes to .....
`Anybody who makes a banner in order to photgraph it and post the picture on the internet is a cock.'
If I had a clean bedsheet I'd write that out in excrement and upload it to Twitter
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How many of those 8000 on Facebook actually contribute to the club? Apart from providing the idiot media with ammunition.
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The eternal optimist in me hopes that the board might be using all the furore around this to their advantage.
Plans may be at an advanced stage to bring someone in, but -if he's under contract- it pays to keep schtum and not offer up any morsels of information. Even if it is frustrating for us.
The McLeish resignation might purely have been coincidence, yet useful also. Us contacting them- even informally- soon after sends the bookies and various messageboards into meltdown and provides the perfect cover for them to get on with the real job of appointing the best man available. McLeish certainly doesn't come into that category and I refuse to believe (at this point) that the club could be so way off beam and out of sync with the wishes of the fans.
Hopefully, come July 2nd (maybe even sooner) we'll all be saying the club played a blinder on this one again - as they did with the Bent deal.
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The eternal optimist in me hopes that the board might be using all the furore around this to their advantage.
Plans may be at an advanced stage to bring someone in, but -if he's under contract- it pays to keep schtum and not offer up any morsels of information. Even if it is frustrating for us.
The McLeish resignation might purely have been coincidence, yet useful also. Us contacting them- even informally- soon after sends the bookies and various messageboards into meltdown and provides the perfect cover for them to get on with the real job of appointing the best man available. McLeish certainly doesn't come into that category and I refuse to believe (at this point) that the club could be so way off beam and out of sync with the wishes of the fans.
Hopefully, come July 2nd (maybe even sooner) we'll all be saying the club played a blinder on this one again - as they did with the Bent deal.
That is a great plan and I do hope your correct. If it is and a manager out of work there is no other way for it to leak either.
I like your thinking, I just hope it is the same as our board.
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I honestly think that we already have our man in place - but rules are rules - and all this nonsense is exactly that. Papers and bookies are filling their boots and we're all getting sucked in. It's a case of don't believe everything you read in the papers in my view.
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Surprised, no amazed, that almost 13% currently consider appointment of McLeish as 'good idea'
but accept that everyone is entitled to any opinion no matter how bizarre it appears -
The general ground swell of opposition to what 'might' happen could not have escaped the notice
of someone within the club, and it doesn't need tacky banners draped over the railings at Villa Park
to show our disapproval - the person responsible has scored the proverbial 'own goal'
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I didnt want RM with his 24% win ratio , I dont want Mcleish with his 21% win ratio..
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The eternal optimist in me hopes that the board might be using all the furore around this to their advantage.
Plans may be at an advanced stage to bring someone in, but -if he's under contract- it pays to keep schtum and not offer up any morsels of information. Even if it is frustrating for us.
The McLeish resignation might purely have been coincidence, yet useful also. Us contacting them- even informally- soon after sends the bookies and various messageboards into meltdown and provides the perfect cover for them to get on with the real job of appointing the best man available. McLeish certainly doesn't come into that category and I refuse to believe (at this point) that the club could be so way off beam and out of sync with the wishes of the fans.
Hopefully, come July 2nd (maybe even sooner) we'll all be saying the club played a blinder on this one again - as they did with the Bent deal.
I like this plan too. If Blackadder had a plan it might have gone along these lines.
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what price is eck now?
sunday he was 1/5
today he had drfited to 1/1
the book closed at 8.00 tonight on paddy power for some reason :o
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I honestly think that we already have our man in place - but rules are rules - and all this nonsense is exactly that. Papers and bookies are filling their boots and we're all getting sucked in. It's a case of don't believe everything you read in the papers in my view.
You must have blind faith. If there was ever an example of how not to recruit a Manager we have demonstrated the perfect method. A complete balls-up from the start - and the pantomine still has a few more performances to run. Our board are so out of touch with the majority of fans its laughable. Why we're pissing around like this when Hughes is available is crazy.
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Hughes is not yet available to talk to though.
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Hughes is not yet available to talk to though.
I'm sure if we approached Fulham now that they have Jol in place some sort of arrangement could be agreed. We've contacted Blues when they haven't agreed to let McLeish go.
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I honestly think that we already have our man in place - but rules are rules - and all this nonsense is exactly that. Papers and bookies are filling their boots and we're all getting sucked in. It's a case of don't believe everything you read in the papers in my view.
You must have blind faith. If there was ever an example of how not to recruit a Manager we have demonstrated the perfect method. A complete balls-up from the start - and the pantomine still has a few more performances to run. Our board are so out of touch with the majority of fans its laughable. Why we're pissing around like this when Hughes is available is crazy.
I don't believe this grand theory that we've squirrelled away a legendary manager and not one person in the press has got wind of it, but you're talking like the club is run by a bunch of idiots who blindly and irrationally pick names off a list. I don't like Villa being in the media for these reasons any more than you do but like everyone, the press abhor a vacuum and have as much clue as the rest of us. I tend to think Villa have probably made mistakes in their strategy but I'd be astounded if it's as insanely depressing as the headlines are making out.
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I'm clinging to the hope that somehow this is all an eleborate roose by RL to direct attention away from our real target, a top European Manager or David Moyes. That McLeish is simply a divertion.
The comments from Sir Graham though about his surprise that we didn't have anyone lined up and seemed to be jumping from one candidate to another in disorganised fashion has worried me.
It's fine that a bunch of novices like us think it's odd, most of us have never set foot inside a football club boardroom and certainly never been in negotiations for a senior football Management position, however when a highly experienced and respected Villa man like GT comes out with it I start to worry that maybe, just maybe, they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
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I honestly think that we already have our man in place - but rules are rules - and all this nonsense is exactly that. Papers and bookies are filling their boots and we're all getting sucked in. It's a case of don't believe everything you read in the papers in my view.
You must have blind faith. If there was ever an example of how not to recruit a Manager we have demonstrated the perfect method. A complete balls-up from the start - and the pantomine still has a few more performances to run. Our board are so out of touch with the majority of fans its laughable. Why we're pissing around like this when Hughes is available is crazy.
It probably is blind faith I guess, although I don't think that Randy et al are so, so far out of touch as to let this McLeish thing drag on for much longer. I really think that the club's silence is defeaning because they don't want to let it slip that in fact we have our man when the rules say we can't. It would amaze me if we really are that shit.
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Hughes is not yet available to talk to though.
I'm sure if we approached Fulham now that they have Jol in place some sort of arrangement could be agreed. We've contacted Blues when they haven't agreed to let McLeish go.
...say 'Sky sources'.
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I honestly think that we already have our man in place - but rules are rules - and all this nonsense is exactly that. Papers and bookies are filling their boots and we're all getting sucked in. It's a case of don't believe everything you read in the papers in my view.
You must have blind faith. If there was ever an example of how not to recruit a Manager we have demonstrated the perfect method. A complete balls-up from the start - and the pantomine still has a few more performances to run. Our board are so out of touch with the majority of fans its laughable. Why we're pissing around like this when Hughes is available is crazy.
I don't believe this grand theory that we've squirrelled away a legendary manager and not one person in the press has got wind of it, but you're talking like the club is run by a bunch of idiots who blindly and irrationally pick names off a list. I don't like Villa being in the media for these reasons any more than you do but like everyone, the press abhor a vacuum and have as much clue as the rest of us. I tend to think Villa have probably made mistakes in their strategy but I'd be astounded if it's as insanely depressing as the headlines are making out.
I just don't think these Americans are very savvy on Football matters in this Country - as has been shown in the last week or so.
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I'm clinging to the hope that somehow this is all an eleborate roose by RL to direct attention away from our real target, a top European Manager or David Moyes. That McLeish is simply a divertion.
The comments from Sir Graham though about his surprise that we didn't have anyone lined up and seemed to be jumping from one candidate to another in disorganised fashion has worried me.
It's fine that a bunch of novices like us think it's odd, most of us have never set foot inside a football club boardroom and certainly never been in negotiations for a senior football Management position, however when a highly experienced and respected Villa man like GT comes out with it I start to worry that maybe, just maybe, they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
Perhaps he's just responding to what he sees in print though, like the rest of us?
He's still highly thought of around VP, they even consulted him on the GH appointment.
But that doesn't mean he's in the loop on this one, and has any better idea about what RL and Faulkner are up to than we do. If the manager we wanted was out of contract and available I tend to think we'd already have him in place now. Which leads me to think that it's someone like Moyes or Hughes -and they have to tread carefully. In the formers case, because of backlash from Everton fans (Kenwright would need to be in a position to have a decent replacement ready to slot in virtually straight away). And in the latter, because of the notice period on his Fulham deal. It might also look better (to a degree) if the perception is out there that we've contacted various managers before we turn to Hughes, to avoid any notions of tapping up and so on.
There were quite a few people actually involved in the game who had heard news of Hughes to Villa for a while. I genuinely don't think if we were interested, him taking up an option in his Fulham contract would put us off either. MM and others might have got the impression (and deliberately been given that impression) that it wasn't a goer, but due to the sensitive nature of this one that may be how the club has to play it.
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It would make more sense if the board just came out and said we haven't had any contact with McLeish.
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It would make more sense if the board just came out and said we haven't had any contact with McLeish.
nail on head
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It would make more sense if the board just came out and said we haven't had any contact with McLeish.
Unless of course......
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It would make more sense if the board just came out and said we haven't had any contact with McLeish.
Sense and our board just don't go together!
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It would make more sense if the board just came out and said we haven't had any contact with McLeish.
But if they do that, attention simply turns to the next bloke high up on the bookies list of favourites. And what if the next guy is actually the bloke they're talking to?
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It would make more sense if the board just came out and said we haven't had any contact with McLeish.
But if they do that, attention simply turns to the next bloke high up on the bookies list of favourites. And what if the next guy is actually the bloke they're talking to?
At the rate we're going through potential Managers, George Graham will soon appear on the Radar!!
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Peter Pannu wants £5.4m from Villa for McLeish?!?!?
Appointing him would be bad enough but paying £5.4m for the fucker?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2003210/Birmingham-City-Aston-Villa-turn-nasty-traitor-Alex-McLeish.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
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Peter Pannu wants £5.4m from Villa for McLeish?!?!?
Appointing him would be bad enough but paying £5.4m for the fucker?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2003210/Birmingham-City-Aston-Villa-turn-nasty-traitor-Alex-McLeish.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
I just had to laugh when I read that article. This Pantomine will run and run!!
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I'm going to wake up and find this was all a horrible dream. Oh look, Bobby Ewing's in the shower.
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I'm going to wake up and find this was all a horrible dream. Oh look, Bobby Ewing's in the shower.
You're wrong......It's Alex McLeish!
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eck has drifted to 11/10 now
moyes has come in from 11/2 to 11/8 ;D
hughes has drifted from 4's out to 5's
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how would I feel?...f'ecked off
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I am after putting £50 with Paddy Power that Frank the Dutchy will be the next Villa manager @ 16/1. :-\
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disappointed. But it wouldn't be the end of the world. I'll be patient and see what transpires over the coming weeks leading into the season.
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I'd be gob-smacked. Would this be the first time that we'd be taking a Blues manager off their hands to manage us? We'd have to back him, but he'd be on a tightrope from the very beginning. I can't imagine why he'd want that kind of tension!
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The thing is, it actually would be the end of the world.
It'll mean another season of going nowhere and most likely to be dwindling down at the bottom in yet again another relegation fight, negative and boring football, 4-5-1 at home, shit signings, more of our best players wanting to leave and just hope of ever getting back into the top 6.
It's not even because he's managed Blues, it's because I've seen Blues play and they've been awful every time I've watched them. If he was manager at Bolton or somewhere like that it wouldn't make any difference.
From Ancelotti to Alex fucking McLeish. How depressing.
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The thing is, it actually would be the end of the world.
It'll mean another season of going nowhere and most likely to be dwindling down at the bottom in yet again another relegation fight, negative and boring football, 4-5-1 at home, shit signings, more of our best players wanting to leave and just hope of ever getting back into the top 6.
It's not even because he's managed Blues, it's because I've seen Blues play and they've been awful every time I've watched them. If he was manager at Bolton or somewhere like that it wouldn't make any difference.
From Ancelotti to Alex fucking McLeish. How depressing.
no. it really wouldn't. We'll get through it. I assure you.
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The thing is, it actually would be the end of the world.
It'll mean another season of going nowhere and most likely to be dwindling down at the bottom in yet again another relegation fight, negative and boring football, 4-5-1 at home, shit signings, more of our best players wanting to leave and just hope of ever getting back into the top 6.
It's not even because he's managed Blues, it's because I've seen Blues play and they've been awful every time I've watched them. If he was manager at Bolton or somewhere like that it wouldn't make any difference.
From Ancelotti to Alex fucking McLeish. How depressing.
no. it really wouldn't. We'll get through it. I assure you.
In footballing terms for Villa, it would be.
There is not one single positive I can think of if McLeish was our manager.
It's hilarious, last week people were turning their noses up at Martinez because he isn't good enough... well they'll REALLY be in for a big a shock when McLeish walks thru the doors at Villa Park as our new manager. And it won't be a good shock.
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It speaks volumes when my blues mates could give a toss that he'd left and some even felt relieved. They were in bits when they heard he maybe on his way to us.
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The thing is, it actually would be the end of the world.
It'll mean another season of going nowhere and most likely to be dwindling down at the bottom in yet again another relegation fight, negative and boring football, 4-5-1 at home, shit signings, more of our best players wanting to leave and just hope of ever getting back into the top 6.
It's not even because he's managed Blues, it's because I've seen Blues play and they've been awful every time I've watched them. If he was manager at Bolton or somewhere like that it wouldn't make any difference.
From Ancelotti to Alex fucking McLeish. How depressing.
no. it really wouldn't. We'll get through it. I assure you.
True enough TV. And we would have to give him a chance.
Last season Blues were in a decent enough position when they wont he cup. Dann and a couple of others got injured, and they lost all semblence of form. He has could argue that his hands were being tied badly by the owners too. My friend who is a season ticket holder near where Pannu sits says game in game out he in continually on to the bench during a game and if Eck ignores him is seen stood up waving his arms to make subs etc, while Eck gives him pelters from the touchline. If it happens, he will have a much clearer run. If that was Krulak then the board are intenting to back him too. Listening to his chief scout who the board at Blues made the scapegoat for relegation, they were awful to work for. They had 3-4 almost signed last season - Pavlychenko, N'Zogbia etc then the board pulled the plug and said they were too dear when discussing personal terms. They then had a really short space of time to get in replacements and ended up with loans they didn't want and Zigic, who McLeish apparently was not sold on either.
His signings have been decent in comparison to Martinez for example. With more resources he may be a bit more expansive, I would think he would go in for the likes of N'Zogbia again. Players seems to like him too. I am trying to look on the flip side. I don't want him, but at the same time it is time to start looking at it rationally. Our biggest weakness is defensively being as loose as Jordan in a night club. We already have Bent, who will stay next season regardless and will score 15-20 league goals for a start. 2 wide forwards with him, Albrighton and say N'Zogbia, and we will score a lot more than Blues did. Foster and Dann at the back might be helpful. I am trying.
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disappointed. But it wouldn't be the end of the world. I'll be patient and see what transpires over the coming weeks leading into the season.
Thats the mature approach we should all be taking. Some of the comments on here are laughable and embarrasing. If there is one person who will be motivated to get it right at Villa it would be him.
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disappointed. But it wouldn't be the end of the world. I'll be patient and see what transpires over the coming weeks leading into the season.
Thats the mature approach we should all be taking. Some of the comments on here are laughable and embarrasing. If there is one person who will be motivated to get it right at Villa it would be him.
I don't think his motivation would be in question, more his ability to do the job. How many other clubs would appoint a manager who had just taken a club down for the second time in 4 years?
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If we'd said when Houllier got ill that our new manager would be McLeish, the reaction would have been utter disbelief, and for good reason.
It's all very well saying give him a chance - as if we'd have a choice.
If they think that two relegations in three years plus football so negative it was derided throughout the league is the answer, then proud history, bright future looks dead in the water to me.
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I am trying to make myself feel better here paulie
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I think there are some rational positives to McMinge. My greatest concern is that his record in the Premiership is not good. It does seem that he has some credibility out there amongst other footballing opinion-formers.
I'm trying to think back to the time when he was managing Rangers - what was his football style like then? Of course, for most of his time at Rangers, wasn't he outgunned by MON's Celtic?!
Ozz - tried to PM you but your PM is bouncing messages back.
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If we'd said when Houllier got ill that our new manager would be McLeish, the reaction would have been utter disbelief, and for good reason.
It's all very well saying give him a chance - as if we'd have a choice.
If they think that two relegations in three years plus football so negative it was derided throughout the league is the answer, then proud history, bright future looks dead in the water to me.
Spot on paulie
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If we'd said when Houllier got ill that our new manager would be McLeish, the reaction would have been utter disbelief, and for good reason.
It's all very well saying give him a chance - as if we'd have a choice.
If they think that two relegations in three years plus football so negative it was derided throughout the league is the answer, then proud history, bright future looks dead in the water to me.
Seconded
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Having slept on it, I'm not completely against McLeish. I'd put him in the same catagory as MON, Hughes and the so in-demand Moyes. It would be a risk and he'll have no honeymoon but I think he could certainly get us to the same level as either Hughes or Moyes could. Ideally, I'd have preferred to go with somebody like Van Gaal, a wealth of experience that could organise and move the club in the right direction. I think it's very shortsighted of the board to restrict the search to managers with PL experience.
As for McLeish, it's near impossible to judge him from histime at the Rags. Ask yourself what would MON, Hughes or Moyes acheived there with their circus owners and dwindling support? Not much more is the honest answer.
Does he play crap football? I've heard this many times on here but every time I've seen the Rags play, I've been surprised how they knock it about, at least until the ball gets up front. Admittedly up front they've been crap and so it's no surprise they've scored so few. I wouldn't see that as a problem with ourselves.
Motivation. His teams, like MON's, always seem to give their all. It can't be easy motivating players at a club like the Rags where their fans hardly help and have an away following that could half fill a coach. They really are a poxy little club and their players must know it.
My biggest concern is with transfers. Whilst I think he did a brilliant job getting both Hart and Foster in, not to mention that little shit Carr, who he picked up for nothing and has always given 100%, when given money he signed bloody Zigic. Dann and Johnson were good signings but like MON, I doubt he has an European scouting network in place.
Yes he relegated the Rags but with such a poor squad, no decent striker and losing Barry Ferguson, their only decent midfielder, it was always going to be a struggle. I don't expect him to be an overnight success but long term, I do think he could do a job, certainly as well as Hughes or Moyes. The only real issue is could he from Day 1 identify the players needed for the coming season. I really hope the board that thought it through. McLeish is a decent man, who certainly is better than that mob down the road deserve, I'm just not sure he could hit the ground running if he was named Villa manager.
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Last season Blues were in a decent enough position when they wont he cup. Dann and a couple of others got injured, and they lost all semblence of form. He has could argue that his hands were being tied badly by the owners too. My friend who is a season ticket holder near where Pannu sits says game in game out he in continually on to the bench during a game and if Eck ignores him is seen stood up waving his arms to make subs etc, while Eck gives him pelters from the touchline. If it happens, he will have a much clearer run. If that was Krulak then the board are intenting to back him too. Listening to his chief scout who the board at Blues made the scapegoat for relegation, they were awful to work for. They had 3-4 almost signed last season - Pavlychenko, N'Zogbia etc then the board pulled the plug and said they were too dear when discussing personal terms. They then had a really short space of time to get in replacements and ended up with loans they didn't want and Zigic, who McLeish apparently was not sold on either.
His signings have been decent in comparison to Martinez for example. With more resources he may be a bit more expansive, I would think he would go in for the likes of N'Zogbia again. Players seems to like him too. I am trying to look on the flip side. I don't want him, but at the same time it is time to start looking at it rationally. Our biggest weakness is defensively being as loose as Jordan in a night club. We already have Bent, who will stay next season regardless and will score 15-20 league goals for a start. 2 wide forwards with him, Albrighton and say N'Zogbia, and we will score a lot more than Blues did. Foster and Dann at the back might be helpful. I am trying.
That's a good post Ozzjim and food for thought. Woukd still prefer a different manager though.
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Let's see who he brings in pre season and how he sets up the side- defensively we were awful last season- he will sort that out and we have far more quality up front with bent a natural finisher , if he can get creativity in midfield we may be pleasantly surprised.
It may not be free flowing football but we will be hard to beat and he will have more resources than at blues to attrAct better players- there is a lot of transfer activity needed and I will be interested in what kind of targets he goes for.
It may well be that he can't go back to blues for the likes of Johnson and foster , but if he can they would be good additions.
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Having slept on it, I'm not completely against McLeish.
I've slept on it Mark and i'm even more anti than yesterday.
Two relegations + 10-0-0 football = disaster for us.
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I can honestly see no good side to this at all.
I've looked for positives, there are none.
Those that are trying make it sound better, you're just putting bay windows on a shithouse.
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Alex McLeish, if appointed, will signal the end of the optimism that has infused the club since Randy came on board.
We will be working the young lads coming through, the likes of Bent and Downing will be off, why should they stay when they see no progression.
But despite all that, we can start again, build up a team from a few signings and with the likes of Gabby, Collins, Delph, Clarke and Albrighton and the some of the lads that might come through.
As long as agent Ridgewell stays where he is I will have to deal with abject dissapointment. It's not ideal, but if it happens there is nothing we can do about it. Maybe Alex McLeish will the man to grow with the team and build up something special.
The Scots haven't done too bad at managing in this league.
I keep hanging on to the hope that McLeish ends up at Bolton, Coyle goes to Everton and Moyes to us. Or even Coyle to us would be something.
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I didn't realise that he also relegated Hibernian as well.
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Alex McLeish, if appointed, will signal the end of the optimism that has infused the club since Randy came on board.
For me, the same could be said for Hughes, Moyes, Coyle and Martinez.
The way I look at it is if tomorrow Spurs were looking for a new manager, would any of those 5 be on the list? I very much doubt it.
I think we're trying to find a David Moyes that isn't David Moyes, as he wants to stay at Everton. I see it as a great opportunity lost but then that was always going to be the case if you adopt a MON strategy and limit your search to England.
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Theres an awful lot of gobbing off from the Small Heath end, Pannu calling us "borderline criminal" in our pursuit of McShit.
For once, I'm in agreement.
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A moment please , to consider the facts . As far as I can discern, McLeish left Bloose of his own volition, just like Mark Hughes did at Fulham .
The wannabe tycoons that own that odorous little club immediately went into high snit and assumed that Villa had tapped him up , this a few days after the Club had been praised to the high heavens for the manner in which they dealt with Wigan and the Martinez ( non ) situation .
As we know , ‘ assume ‘ makes and ass out of u and me and the ass that is Peter Pancake over at the Sty went into hyperbolic overdrive . While telling anyone who would listen how busy he was conducting transfer talks on the Continent ( Holland) in an effort to sign a well known (32 yr old , out-of-contract ) Dutch striker he also stated that Aston Villa had refused to answer any of a flurry of e.mails he,d sent on the topic of Mr Mcleish . When the Villa finally had had enough of his BS , their Legal Dept sent a mildly rebuking e.mail to the irritation that is Mr Pancake , reminding him that , should they want to approach Mr McLeish they were perfectly within their rights to do so , as he was now a free agent . They have not , as far as I can see , actually asked Small Heath for such permission, they have merely stated their right to do so .
I,m in the “ it would,nt be the end of the World but I would be disappointed “ camp re the possible appointment of McLeish , solely because I feel GED took the Club on another , more Continental style , course , especially in the Fitness and Training departments .........Godzvilla
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A moment please , to consider the facts . As far as I can discern, McLeish left Bloose of his own volition, just like Mark Hughes did at Fulham .
The wannabe tycoons that own that odorous little club immediately went into high snit and assumed that Villa had tapped him up , this a few days after the Club had been praised to the high heavens for the manner in which they dealt with Wigan and the Martinez ( non ) situation .
As we know , ‘ assume ‘ makes and ass out of u and me and the ass that is Peter Pancake over at the Sty went into hyperbolic overdrive . While telling anyone who would listen how busy he was conducting transfer talks on the Continent ( Holland) in an effort to sign a well known (32 yr old , out-of-contract ) Dutch striker he also stated that Aston Villa had refused to answer any of a flurry of e.mails he,d sent on the topic of Mr Mcleish . When the Villa finally had had enough of his BS , their Legal Dept sent a mildly rebuking e.mail to the irritation that is Mr Pancake , reminding him that , should they want to approach Mr McLeish they were perfectly within their rights to do so , as he was now a free agent . They have not , as far as I can see , actually asked Small Heath for such permission, they have merely stated their right to do so .
I,m in the “ it would,nt be the end of the World but I would be disappointed “ camp re the possible appointment of McLeish , solely because I feel GED took the Club on another , more Continental style , course , especially in the Fitness and Training departments .........Godzvilla
I reckon that's about the size of it.
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Yesterday people were saying there is no way we will sign him, he is a smokescreen for Randy pursuing other better managers. Now there seems to be an acceptance and worse than that arguments for why he is a good appointment for us.
For me appointing him as manager should be a massive reality check for our fans who up to this point were still believing our ambitions were top four
That is not going to happen with Randy in charge.
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One thing I would say is that if he had done really well at Blues, I wouldn't give a shit that he'd been their manager.
He didn't, though. He got them relegated twice, and played dreadful football in the process. I suspect, though, that if they do appoint him, we'll be told we're petty in not liking him because he managed Small Heath, when that is far from the biggest objection.
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Some people - well, eastie - are talking like we've already appointed him. As far as I know, we haven't.
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One thing I would say is that if he had done really well at Blues, I wouldn't give a shit that he'd been their manager.
He didn't, though. He got them relegated twice, and played dreadful football in the process. I suspect, though, that if they do appoint him, we'll be told we're petty in not liking him because he managed Small Heath, when that is far from the biggest objection.
Unfortunately that is the public perception, not helped by the likes of Collymore banging on last night about Villa fans needing to get over the fact that AM managed Blues, as if that is the only reason we don't want him! So frustrating!
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A moment please , to consider the facts . As far as I can discern, McLeish left Bloose of his own volition, just like Mark Hughes did at Fulham .
The wannabe tycoons that own that odorous little club immediately went into high snit and assumed that Villa had tapped him up , this a few days after the Club had been praised to the high heavens for the manner in which they dealt with Wigan and the Martinez ( non ) situation .
As we know , ‘ assume ‘ makes and ass out of u and me and the ass that is Peter Pancake over at the Sty went into hyperbolic overdrive . While telling anyone who would listen how busy he was conducting transfer talks on the Continent ( Holland) in an effort to sign a well known (32 yr old , out-of-contract ) Dutch striker he also stated that Aston Villa had refused to answer any of a flurry of e.mails he,d sent on the topic of Mr Mcleish . When the Villa finally had had enough of his BS , their Legal Dept sent a mildly rebuking e.mail to the irritation that is Mr Pancake , reminding him that , should they want to approach Mr McLeish they were perfectly within their rights to do so , as he was now a free agent . They have not , as far as I can see , actually asked Small Heath for such permission, they have merely stated their right to do so .
I,m in the “ it would,nt be the end of the World but I would be disappointed “ camp re the possible appointment of McLeish , solely because I feel GED took the Club on another , more Continental style , course , especially in the Fitness and Training departments .........Godzvilla
This is my take on it too. Pannu would have been feeling like a bloke whose wife has left him. A jilted man rarely thinks: "Blimey! She's really had enough of me!". He almost always thinks: "She's been sh*gging someone else!". We're the only suspect (well he wouldn't have thought 'Chelsea', would he?).
Why am I not surprised that, even though Pannu states that we were replying to their e-mail, the Media have dressed this up as a 'tentatve approach'? Having said that, making the statement that we could talk to him if we wanted to was silly in the current circumstances, however poisonous the tone of Pannu's e-mail.
I'm clinging to this hope and my only worry is the validity, or otherwise, of the General's Facebook post. A statement from him or Peltey or AVFC that this was a fake and I'll be back to a Zen-like state of tranquility(!)
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As I see it, the difference between Hughes and Mcleish is that when Ailsa left we told Fulham we weren't interested. When Big Eck left we said we can talk to him if we want to.
As far as I'm concerned that's enough to create worry, although I live in hope it was just to wind them up!
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A moment please , to consider the facts . As far as I can discern, McLeish left Bloose of his own volition, just like Mark Hughes did at Fulham .
The wannabe tycoons that own that odorous little club immediately went into high snit and assumed that Villa had tapped him up , this a few days after the Club had been praised to the high heavens for the manner in which they dealt with Wigan and the Martinez ( non ) situation .
As we know , ‘ assume ‘ makes and ass out of u and me and the ass that is Peter Pancake over at the Sty went into hyperbolic overdrive . While telling anyone who would listen how busy he was conducting transfer talks on the Continent ( Holland) in an effort to sign a well known (32 yr old , out-of-contract ) Dutch striker he also stated that Aston Villa had refused to answer any of a flurry of e.mails he,d sent on the topic of Mr Mcleish . When the Villa finally had had enough of his BS , their Legal Dept sent a mildly rebuking e.mail to the irritation that is Mr Pancake , reminding him that , should they want to approach Mr McLeish they were perfectly within their rights to do so , as he was now a free agent . They have not , as far as I can see , actually asked Small Heath for such permission, they have merely stated their right to do so .
I,m in the “ it would,nt be the end of the World but I would be disappointed “ camp re the possible appointment of McLeish , solely because I feel GED took the Club on another , more Continental style , course , especially in the Fitness and Training departments .........Godzvilla
Good post Godzvilla. I think, as much as my frazzled brain will let me, that I am feeling pretty much the same on McLeish's appointment. If it does happen, it seems to me to be a very convoluted procedure for such an under whelming appointment. On the plus side I don't think his signings have been all that bad, especially within the back 5, when you consider his employers. As mentioned before he was trying to sign the likes of N'Zogbia and Pavluwhatisname last summer. He was also the man that signed Zarate, albeit on loan, who did pretty well in the short time he was there. Lets just say his scouting network and desire to look further afield then these fair shores are miles above MON's ever where.
My main issue, besides the relegation thing, to be fair the Hibs relegation was on the cards before he joined them, is that we will likely undo all the good work towards a better style of football that seemed to be coming into fruition towards the end of last season. Our fitness seemed light years ahead of previous seasons, if anything it seemed to be geting better as the season progressed. Now it seems to me that the Blues suffered similar problems to us under MON where they would just grind to a halt post February, this has to be connected to their fitness regime.
I seriously think regardless of how successful McLeish may be, we will inevitably continue to lose our best players summer after summer, with him in charge. Downing maybe this summer, if not next. Bent next summer, then who knows? Clark, Albrighton etc etc... The board for this appointment should be looking for a man that will not only drive the proper football way forward, whilst developing the next generation, he should be an inspiration to those already established in the first team, the kind of guy that will make players sit up and say, I can be a better footballer learning from this man! I hope we do have someone better lined up than McLeish, but if it is him then i will still support the team, beacuse they will still be Aston Villa!
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He's definitely a Villa fan.
He treated the club like shit when he was a player here,
He had clinical depression, which you may or may not dismiss with a derisory "But he's a rich footballer, what has he got to be depressed about?" but the fact remains.
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Clinical depression or not, IMO Collymore seriously underperformed during his time with us
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The thing is, it actually would be the end of the world.
It'll mean another season of going nowhere and most likely to be dwindling down at the bottom in yet again another relegation fight, negative and boring football, 4-5-1 at home, shit signings, more of our best players wanting to leave and just hope of ever getting back into the top 6.
So not actually the end of the World then?
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So, any news?
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Clinical depression or not, IMO Collymore seriously underperformed during his time with us
Yes, but you can't dismiss the issues he had out of hand. Not many people with depression mange to work to anywhere near their best no matter what job they do.
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Two people I know have met him and say what a nice, genuine bloke he is.
But that doesn't make him a decent Manager, he isn't.
Has anybody trotted out the 'potential' bollocks yet, like when Martinez was being mooted?
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Yes, but you can't dismiss the issues he had out of hand. Not many people with depression MANGE to work to anywhere near their best no matter what job they do.
He had the Mange as well then?
Gregory should have took him to a vet.
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Collymore was a let down at VP, I'm sure if his head was straight we'd have got a better return from him.
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Yes, but you can't dismiss the issues he had out of hand. Not many people with depression MANGE to work to anywhere near their best no matter what job they do.
He had the Mange as well then?
Gregory should have took him to a vet.
It was all that dogging.
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Two people I know have met him and say what a nice, genuine bloke he is.
But that doesn't make him a decent Manager, he isn't.
Has anybody trotted out the 'potential' bollocks yet, like when Martinez was being mooted?
Martinez is potentially a very good manager though (not that I wanted him, mind). I just don't see that with McLeish.
It makes no sense at all to me. Hughes offers a similar level of ability but won't lead to thousands of disgruntled fans and a decrease in season ticket sales.
Even if we're pushing the top 6 under McLeish next season I can't see attendances boosting.
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Yes, but you can't dismiss the issues he had out of hand. Not many people with depression MANGE to work to anywhere near their best no matter what job they do.
He had the Mange as well then?
Gregory should have took him to a vet.
It was all that dogging.
Came away with a flea in his ear.
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Clinical depression or not, IMO Collymore seriously underperformed during his time with us
Yes, but you can't dismiss the issues he had out of hand. Not many people with depression mange to work to anywhere near their best no matter what job they do.
If being rich cured depression then the NHS would be handing out bags of cash. The "what could a footballer be depressed about" line that comes up every so often shows a remarkable lack of understanding of mental health issues. Never mind homophobia or racism, it's probably the one taboo that isn't even close to being tackled.
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Motivation. His teams, like MON's, always seem to give their all. It can't be easy motivating players at a club like the Rags where their fans hardly help and have an away following that could half fill a coach. They really are a poxy little club and their players must know it.
MON was at a very similar club with Leicester. Zero relegations, 2 League Cups & 100% record for top ten finishes.
They're not in the same class - as evidenced by the 2 Birmingham clubs each of them went to after their time in Scotland.
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Motivation. His teams, like MON's, always seem to give their all. It can't be easy motivating players at a club like the Rags where their fans hardly help and have an away following that could half fill a coach. They really are a poxy little club and their players must know it.
MON was at a very similar club with Leicester. Zero relegations, 2 League Cups & 100% record for top ten finishes.
They're not in the same class - as evidenced by the 2 Birmingham clubs each of them went to after their time in Scotland.
MON was at Leicester 16 years ago and had 5 years there, things have moved on considerably since. If you want to compare their time in Scotland, McLeish won seven trophies, MON only four.
Given the same resources, how do you think MON would have done at the Sty, assuming of course he's stay long enough without walking out on them?
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Yes, but you can't dismiss the issues he had out of hand. Not many people with depression MANGE to work to anywhere near their best no matter what job they do.
He had the Mange as well then?
Gregory should have took him to a vet.
It was all that dogging.
Came away with a flea in his ear.
So it really is time for Mc Leash...?
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He's definitely a Villa fan.
He treated the club like shit when he was a player here,
He had clinical depression, which you may or may not dismiss with a derisory "But he's a rich footballer, what has he got to be depressed about?" but the fact remains.
Well said Dave. I seem to remember an identical debate this time last year with some ill-informed comments from a couple of posters. Must be an annual thing...
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Motivation. His teams, like MON's, always seem to give their all. It can't be easy motivating players at a club like the Rags where their fans hardly help and have an away following that could half fill a coach. They really are a poxy little club and their players must know it.
MON was at a very similar club with Leicester. Zero relegations, 2 League Cups & 100% record for top ten finishes.
They're not in the same class - as evidenced by the 2 Birmingham clubs each of them went to after their time in Scotland.
I'd also take issue with the suggestion his teams always give their all.
My dad is a nose and told me they frequently looked like they didn't give a shit. The last day of the season, playing to ensure their own survival, it was like watching 11 early season Richard Dunnes amble around the pitch
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Clinical depression or not, IMO Collymore seriously underperformed during his time with us
Yes, but you can't dismiss the issues he had out of hand. Not many people with depression mange to work to anywhere near their best no matter what job they do.
If being rich cured depression then the NHS would be handing out bags of cash. The "what could a footballer be depressed about" line that comes up every so often shows a remarkable lack of understanding of mental health issues. Never mind homophobia or racism, it's probably the one taboo that isn't even close to being tackled.
Many think people with depression are taking the piss but infact many people have no idea how much of a crippling illness it can be. I've seen it first hand and it is a really strain on families.
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Motivation. His teams, like MON's, always seem to give their all. It can't be easy motivating players at a club like the Rags where their fans hardly help and have an away following that could half fill a coach. They really are a poxy little club and their players must know it.
MON was at a very similar club with Leicester. Zero relegations, 2 League Cups & 100% record for top ten finishes.
They're not in the same class - as evidenced by the 2 Birmingham clubs each of them went to after their time in Scotland.
I'd also take issue with the suggestion his teams always give their all.
My dad is a nose and told me they frequently looked like they didn't give a shit. The last day of the season, playing to ensure their own survival, it was like watching 11 early season Richard Dunnes amble around the pitch
You should know better than to trust a nose, Queenie. (winky)
They played very well first half but the idiots thought a draw would have kept them up.
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The ginger twat thought they would be safe with a draw from the start. Risky decision which ended very badly thankfully.
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He's definitely a Villa fan.
He treated the club like shit when he was a player here,
He had clinical depression, which you may or may not dismiss with a derisory "But he's a rich footballer, what has he got to be depressed about?" but the fact remains.
Having had personal experiences with people who have had varying levels of depression I have every sympathy for anyone who suffers from it.
But, it only seemed to effect him when he was at the club he "loves". If it was me in that in situation I would have made a statement of some kind to the fans to explain things etc, or asked to be paid less etc while I was contributing nothing to the club. He just carried on taking the money for doing nothing.
Plus, I remember him scoring for the dippers in front of the Holte and taking great delight goading us, a bit like he did to the Albion fans in the 3-0 cup game.
Villa fan my arse.
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He's definitely a Villa fan.
He treated the club like shit when he was a player here,
He had clinical depression, which you may or may not dismiss with a derisory "But he's a rich footballer, what has he got to be depressed about?" but the fact remains.
Having had personal experiences with people who have had varying levels of depression I have every sympathy for anyone who suffers from it.
But, it only seemed to effect him when he was at the club he "loves". If it was me in that in situation I would have made a statement of some kind to the fans to explain things etc, or asked to be paid less etc while I was contributing nothing to the club. He just carried on taking the money for doing nothing.
Plus, I remember him scoring for the dippers in front of the Holte and taking great delight goading us, a bit like he did to the Albion fans in the 3-0 cup game.
Villa fan my arse.
The mistake there is that you're assuming clinically depressed people always think rationally.
They very frequently don't
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One of my business contacts is a Blues season ticket holder, and he said their match against Fulham was one of the most disgracefully lack lustre displays he's ever seen, and obviously being a Blues fan he's seen a few. To capitulate like they did in the last few games of the season when all they needed was a couple of points is not a mark of a team being managed by a great motivator.
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I hope McLeish thinks rationally -even if RL, Faulkner and co don't- and turns down the job should it be offered.
I still cling to the hope that this is all part of the dance and we'll have a decent manager in place by early July though. The flights to Corsica at the same time Big Eck is out there, the General's supposed FB post and all the rest of it are a bit above and beyond if we want to create a diversion.
But in the last five years they've rarely let us down, so lets hope they know what they're doing on this one and Big Eck is nowhere to be seen come August.
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One of my business contacts is a Blues season ticket holder, and he said their match against Fulham was one of the most disgracefully lack lustre displays he's ever seen, and obviously being a Blues fan he's seen a few. To capitulate like they did in the last few games of the season when all they needed was a couple of points is not a mark of a team being managed by a great motivator.
maybe he had already been tapped up by us, knowing that GH wouldnt be back?
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IF it is AM, he will know what he is coming into, and he will know he has to succeed to get the fans onside.
Imo, the main reason SHA went down this year, was due to the amount of injuries and suspensions they had after the cup win, especially with Dann missing the last few mths. It seems the board at blues didnt always back his judgement in getting the players in he wanted. Had they done so, again, they would probably have had enough to stay up. When he had a full squad, he certainly had blues set up and hard to beat, but with no quality up front, were never going to get enough goals. At least at Villa, he will have the players to get the goals, and hopefully he can sort our defence out after last season. He will get the backing of RL, so it could work out well for us??
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If AMc then I'm going to have money on him not lasting the season. The pressure he'll be under from the fans will be unreal.
If he loses his first game then we'll be after his head.
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If he loses the first friendly actually we will be after his head.
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I've actually come around a little bit to AM (I've even initialled his name look).
I think he might surprise some people in a good way but it would take a hell of a start to get the chance.
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I voted no, for the obvious reasons of not particularly rating him (and again, couldn't care less about the blues connection), but hypothetically, if he does have a good transfer window, that could easily get the fans on side, in the short term at least. Things were bloody low before the Bent signing, but that, along with the citeh win gave the place a real lift for a month or so. Which might be all the breathing space he would need. Not convinced he'd be a success at all, mind.
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He's definitely a Villa fan.
He treated the club like shit when he was a player here,
He had clinical depression, which you may or may not dismiss with a derisory "But he's a rich footballer, what has he got to be depressed about?" but the fact remains.
Having had personal experiences with people who have had varying levels of depression I have every sympathy for anyone who suffers from it.
But, it only seemed to effect him when he was at the club he "loves". If it was me in that in situation I would have made a statement of some kind to the fans to explain things etc, or asked to be paid less etc while I was contributing nothing to the club. He just carried on taking the money for doing nothing.
Plus, I remember him scoring for the dippers in front of the Holte and taking great delight goading us, a bit like he did to the Albion fans in the 3-0 cup game.
Villa fan my arse.
The mistake there is that you're assuming clinically depressed people always think rationally.
They very frequently don't
I know they don't, I know of people who have literally lost everything because of depression. Their homes, self respect, possessions, everything. It took every ounce of effort for them to be in a position where they are just around today. But in every case they didn't have the potential support network someone in collymore's position would have or the resources to get the help they needed to prevent things getting that bad.
Just having money etc is in no way a guarantee depression won't strike, although a major cause of it, it can be a relationship ending, a bereavement a mix of all or many other causes.
The statement comment I made for example, could have been one made years later, but i've never seen anything tangible from him that he's bothered about his time at VP.
The only evidence of his Villa support is now, when it's benefiting his career. Amazing how it was often him covering our European games on 5, or now the go to Villa "expert" on talkshite.
And as I said about the Liverpool incident, can you imagine Taylor scoring against us in front of the Holte and going to the Holte and standing there facing us arms raised gloating?
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If AMc then I'm going to have money on him not lasting the season. The pressure he'll be under from the fans will be unreal.
If he loses his first game then we'll be after his head.
then choose not to call for his head, quite simple. How about we all grow up over this and rise above BCFC and all who sail or have sailed in her
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then choose not to call for his head, quite simple. How about we all grow up over this and rise above BCFC and all who sail or have sailed in her
If he does become manager, then I agree. It'll be counter-productive calling for him to be sacked straight away, and in any event, what makes anyone think they'd get it right the next time? Once he's here, he should be judged on his performance here (including signings, interviews, performance levels as well as results), and that alone.
I really don't think that the BCFC ist as big of an issue for people as you suggest though.
Again, I don't think he's the right man for the job based on past performances, but I won't be going on any marches or unfurling any banners too quickly into his tenure. I'll give him a reasonable amount of time to see if it might work, although I really doubt it will.
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Fuck that, starting a 'McLeish out' campaign before he actually gets here seems far more fun.
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Answering the topic title, I will be disappointed that we didn't appoint someone better -- and slightly bemused that the board, settling for a candidate at McLeish' level didn't choose a less controversial candidate, like Chris Houghton.
Secondly, I would wonder why the board made such a bad choice:
1. Poor judgement and poor advice from outsiders?
2. Confusing finding the best candidate with finding the candidate that is easiest to work with? (Possibly only reason to consider McLeish ahead of Hughes and Benitez)
3. That they have drastically reduced their ambition?
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Answering the topic title, I will be disappointed that we didn't appoint someone better -- and slightly bemused that the board, settling for a candidate at McLeish' level didn't choose a less controversial candidate, like Chris Houghton.
Secondly, I would wonder why the board made such a bad choice:
1. Poor judgement and poor advice from outsiders?
2. Confusing finding the best candidate with finding the candidate that is easiest to work with? (Possibly only reason to consider McLeish ahead of Hughes and Benitez)
3. That they have drastically reduced their ambition?
3. can only really be considered after the transfer window. If we don't spend a decent amount of money, then it's quite possible, but until then I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
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I'm just scared what he'll do to the team leaving us in yet another relegation fight.
I really don't think I could handle another season like the one gonne by, it just wasn't healthy. Seriously.
I want the club re-installed with ambition. I want us up there challenging for the top 6 spots again, playing in Europe etc... Those were the fun times, those were the times which put a smile on our faces, those were the times of optimism where we believed we could actually achieve something we're striving for.
I like having star players like Downing , I don't want them taken away because our board hired a manager in a naive way.
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Answering the topic title, I will be disappointed that we didn't appoint someone better -- and slightly bemused that the board, settling for a candidate at McLeish' level didn't choose a less controversial candidate, like Chris Houghton.
Secondly, I would wonder why the board made such a bad choice:
1. Poor judgement and poor advice from outsiders?
2. Confusing finding the best candidate with finding the candidate that is easiest to work with? (Possibly only reason to consider McLeish ahead of Hughes and Benitez)
3. That they have drastically reduced their ambition?
3. can only really be considered after the transfer window. If we don't spend a decent amount of money, then it's quite possible, but until then I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
Tbh, I don't think 3. is the case at all. If McLeish is appointed, I believe it will be a combination of 1. and 2.
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If AMc then I'm going to have money on him not lasting the season. The pressure he'll be under from the fans will be unreal.
If he loses his first game then we'll be after his head.
then choose not to call for his head, quite simple. How about we all grow up over this and rise above BCFC and all who sail or have sailed in her
Because it isn't entirely about the fact he managed Blues.
Personally, I don't give a flying one he managed them. In fact, if he'd done really well there, I'd see the fact we were stealing him from them as a bonus.
It is the fact that his experience in the PL has consisted of getting relegated twice and playing some of the most dire, unadventurous football the league has seen for a long time.
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If he didn't get Blues relegated twice I don't think it'd seem as bad but I wouldn't exactly want him anyway. It probably wouldn't seem as bad though.
The two relegations just killed any sort of 'success' he had there. Lets put it bluntly, the Carling Cup was a fluke. Draw no-mark teams at home scraping past, get two teams below them in the league in the QF's and SF's at home and score the most unbelivable goal ever scored at Wembley in the 90'th minute.
Seriously, who the fuck appoints a manager who has relegated his team not only once... but twice!!
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The B-lose connection is only an issue insofar as he would be coming directly from them.
If-for the sake of argument- he had rebuilt his career somewhere else for a few years and then came to us I wouldn't be dead against it.
But his recent record (taken over the last three/four years) has largely been dire. Two relegations, his signings at B-lose and the style of play he implemented there should be the main reasons at to why he is nowhere near consideration for a job like the Villa.
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If he didn't get Blues relegated twice I don't think it'd seem as bad but I wouldn't exactly want him anyway. It probably wouldn't seem as bad though.
The two relegations just killed any sort of 'success' he had there. Lets put it bluntly, the Carling Cup was a fluke. Draw no-mark teams at home scraping past, get two teams below them in the league in the QF's and SF's at home and score the most unbelivable goal ever scored at Wembley in the 90'th minute.
Seriously, who the fuck appoints a manager who has relegated his team not only once... but twice!!
Wasn't it Leyton O in the 2nd rd where they had an injury time equalizer and then won on penalties? They just had a near perfect storm all the way on that cup run. It happens, being manager during that time doesn't make them a good manager, just a lucky one in half a dozen games.
However, relegating a club twice, failing to score more than a goal a game, building a squad that plays truly abysmal football mocked throughout the leagues is a decent indicator that the manager is a bit shit.
And if hes was looking like he had the potential to be the next Mourinho I wouldn't give a shit he managed them, i'd openly laugh in their faces that for the first ever when they had someone decent at their pox ridden club, he left them for us. But he's at best exceedingly average, and that's why I don't want him anywhere near B6.
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A very reliable source has just text me to confirm McLeish.
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A very reliable source has just text me to confirm McLeish.
Yeah, just had a call to that end myself. Announcement very soon by all accounts.
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A very reliable source has just text me to confirm McLeish.
It was announced on Talk Sport about 15 minutes ago.
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My God have mercy upon all of us.
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Time to knock up some photoshops and post them on the small heath forum??
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After the dust has settled I have now warmed to the idea and I think he will do a really good job for us. Ninth in the league this season and it will be an easy fifth place finish for the next, silverware on its way to in my reckoning. I'm also looking forward to the exciting transfer deals and exciting scorelines of 3 or 4 nil.
Bring it on and welcome aboard Carlos...
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About bloody time too!!
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2376322,00.html
The future's not bright, it's ginger and sweaty.
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wot next trevor francis as his number 2,wot the fuck has happened 2 us!
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time to come together and give him a chance - decision has been made and REAL VILLA fans need to get backing him,I WILL! - we are looking like a idiot club with all the negativity from some - we dont own the club,we are supporters.
if you don`t renew your season ticket cause of this then you aint a villa fan - so feck off - I will be there next year
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bet after 5 defeats on the trot , you'll think the same
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Ill be there next season too as I purchased a season ticket about 3/4 weeks back. im very disappointed though but will have to show my backing to the man in charge as well as the chairman, board and the club! :(
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Me too. But it's not fair to say we're not villa fans.
This appointment is a statement of intent alright. A statement of the mediocrity to come. Can't blame fans for being dismayed at what has been going on.
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Didn't take long for the "i'm a better fan than you" posts to start did it.
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It will be interesting to see what he does here.
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fact of the matter is, unless you have a Tardis, no one knows how good he will be.
Judge him on what he ACTUALLY does for us that all that matters. FUCK what he has done for the tribe down the road, stop comparing us to them, not the same league ( literally)
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I would have prefered McLaren after all this shit
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He'll get booed the moment he looses the toss,i can see it will be that bad,i simply cannot understand its come down to him with all the time spent looking,forget he's bloose he is a SHITE manager , the pressure on him would be to much..
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fact of the matter is, unless you have a Tardis, no one knows how good he will be.
Judge him on what he ACTUALLY does for us that all that matters. FUCK what he has done for the tribe down the road, stop comparing us to them, not the same league ( literally)
I used to think that too but by appointing somebody who relegated them the board are showing that we are in a closer league to Blues than most of us would ever have thought. Can you not see that?
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for me its a total disregard for the fans just as houllier did at anfield and man city.
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Its not so much the fact that he has managed the sty, it is the fact he has relegated them twice, not exactly the ideal credentials. Really dont know what the board are thinking and am fuming at the thought of him in charge
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I can't believe they are saying...
"We are determined, still, not to allow that three-and-a-half year post to disqualify him should he be the best candidate for the role of Aston Villa manager"
Its nothing to do with being the manager of the blues, its to do with his total lack of ability! his team played terrible football that even the noses thought was poor, got them relegated twice in four seasons!
And we now consider that he may be "...the best candidate"
IF HE WAS THE BEST FUCKING CANDIDATE WHY DID THEY LOOK EVERYWHERE ELSE FIRST
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fact of the matter is, unless you have a Tardis, no one knows how good he will be.
Judge him on what he ACTUALLY does for us that all that matters. FUCK what he has done for the tribe down the road, stop comparing us to them, not the same league ( literally)
I used to think that too but by appointing somebody who relegated them the board are showing that we are in a closer league to Blues than most of us would ever have thought. Can you not see that?
Yes but remember last week - everyone singing the praises of Martinez, did he not come into the Prem from Swansea
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I'm villa till i die!!!! No matter what i'll be their 1st game of season - i'll back the manager and hope for success
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fact of the matter is, unless you have a Tardis, no one knows how good he will be.
Judge him on what he ACTUALLY does for us that all that matters. FUCK what he has done for the tribe down the road, stop comparing us to them, not the same league ( literally)
I used to think that too but by appointing somebody who relegated them the board are showing that we are in a closer league to Blues than most of us would ever have thought. Can you not see that?
Yes but remember last week - everyone singing the praises of Martinez, did he not come into the Prem from Swansea
We're not Wigan Athletic!
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No problem then. Since McLeish's "proven premier league experience" amounts to one 9th place and 2 relegations, he surely can't, by definition, be the best candidate available. Because Hughes and Benitez, to name two, have never been relegated. Which raises the question of why the fuck are they intervieiwing him, or even considering him.
Those criteria worry me too - where is the criteria for proven tactical ability, progressive attitude, record of attractive winning football, the continental approach that will enable to build on the moves GH made in that direction? etc. etc. Fuck me I could go down there and work hard, wouldn't make us a better team. I've supported Randy and co to the hilt but I'm beginning to despair of their clueless fucking floundering when it comes to recruiting managers.
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I will be there next season renewed mine on the 26th may not happy if the ginger get comes but he will get my support
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fact of the matter is, unless you have a Tardis, no one knows how good he will be.
Judge him on what he ACTUALLY does for us that all that matters. FUCK what he has done for the tribe down the road, stop comparing us to them, not the same league ( literally)
I used to think that too but by appointing somebody who relegated them the board are showing that we are in a closer league to Blues than most of us would ever have thought. Can you not see that?
Yes but remember last week - everyone singing the praises of Martinez, did he not come into the Prem from Swansea
We're not Wigan Athletic!
Yes I know that - nut we were all happy to have him as manager. We cant compare US to the Small Heath brigade. Infrastructure, finance tradition, player quality are a million miles away. Sometimes you are only good as the tools you have to work with.
With that shady bunch he had to work with in the Boardroom, think he was on a loser from the start.
Give him time to prove himself or otherwise. We are sounding like a baying mob, just need the flaming torches. We are better than that. We are becoming a laughing stock, thats what we should be concerned about
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It's the last bit of the statement which is worrying . If they really think that his record, two relegations in 4 years, makes him the best candidate then it just proves the lack of ambition. We'll be having another season just like the last. God it' s hard being a Villa fan.
Usually at this time of year we all seem to be full of optimism but it doesn't seem that way this year!
I'll be there again next year although I'm not sure it will be very comfortable
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Coffin. Final. The. Nail. The.In.
Thanks for the memories Villa, it's been an enjoyable 30 year rollercoaster, i've followed you home and away through thick and thin. I've supported you and continually paid my money to see you play and buy your merchandise. I took my 3 year old to his first game last season and was planning many more this season.
I think I'm off now, i find the shocking lack of respect and disregard you have shown to your fan base too much to bear.
Many thanks.
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IF HE WAS THE BEST FUCKING CANDIDATE WHY DID THEY LOOK EVERYWHERE ELSE FIRST
THIS
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Perhaps no one wants to work with a CEO who is younger than their own children. Also, are we running out of targets? Is that why we seem to desperate to interview McLeish. I presume that we'll also wait for Hughes to become available on July 1st if we want to do it all properly, as Dave Whelan suggests?
In short, does no one really decent want this job?
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It will be interesting to see what he does here.
One thing it won't be is interesting, more like dire.
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The Villa job and the Blues job are completely different..... Blues don't belong in the premiership, they are small time. It is the same as Blackpool being relegated, in all honesty he worked miracles finishing 9th and winning something
He is not my first choice, by any means but he got no backing from Chairman Mao and the Triads over the road and he walked out on them just to get the possible chance of talking to Villa, that in itself earns him a chance
Its going to happen like it or not, lets just get behind him....the whole club needs to pull together...fans, board and manager...
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We know from Wigan that we contacted prospective managers a few weeks ago. We can't be sure how many, but it seems reasonable to assume we cast our net fairly wide initially - 6, 10? We also know AM was not then approached, despite his being very "gettable". So if we appoint AM, are we to assume that none of the other candidates were prepared to join us (or we don't want them)? If he's suddenly become more attractive because he is now "cheap", that's also a worrying sign for our finances.
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The Villa job and the Blues job are completely different..... Blues don't belong in the premiership, they are small time. It is the same as Blackpool being relegated, in all honesty he worked miracles finishing 9th and winning something
He is not my first choice, by any means but he got no backing from Chairman Mao and the Triads over the road and he walked out on them just to get the possible chance of talking to Villa, that in itself earns him a chance
Some fucking sense at last - there is hope
Its going to happen like it or not, lets just get behind him....the whole club needs to pull together...fans, board and manager...
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I'd be disappointed if it's McLeish too (and hugely surprised at the Board) but there's a few on here who really do need to grow up a bit.
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The Villa job and the Blues job are completely different..... Blues don't belong in the premiership, they are small time. It is the same as Blackpool being relegated, in all honesty he worked miracles finishing 9th and winning something
He is not my first choice, by any means but he got no backing from Chairman Mao and the Triads over the road and he walked out on them just to get the possible chance of talking to Villa, that in itself earns him a chance
Its going to happen like it or not, lets just get behind him....the whole club needs to pull together...fans, board and manager...
High five. I agree
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The Villa job and the Blues job are completely different..... Blues don't belong in the premiership, they are small time. It is the same as Blackpool being relegated, in all honesty he worked miracles finishing 9th and winning something
He is not my first choice, by any means but he got no backing from Chairman Mao and the Triads over the road and he walked out on them just to get the possible chance of talking to Villa, that in itself earns him a chance
Some fucking sense at last - there is hope
Its going to happen like it or not, lets just get behind him....the whole club needs to pull together...fans, board and manage
At last someone speaking some fucking sense - there is hope
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As the inevitable is about to happen, it's time to tell myself that McLeish won as much as O'Neill did in Scotland, took Small Heath to one of their best ever positions in the top division as well as doubling their trophy tally, doing the latter with not much money, a bunch of Villa rejects and eventually being relegated due to a lot of injuries. He was also, apparently, "given" Zigic as a gift by the Blues chairman and did not sign him himself.
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the board dont give shit about the fans if they go ahead with this wont be backing the board again, will sit in the holte an watch this go tits up...championship here we come hes got there twice before!!!!!!!
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The question should now read:
How will you feel WHEN we appoint Fucking Eck?
The anwser is still the same- inconsolable.
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Perhaps no one wants to work with a CEO who is younger than their own children. Also, are we running out of targets? Is that why we seem to desperate to interview McLeish. I presume that we'll also wait for Hughes to become available on July 1st if we want to do it all properly, as Dave Whelan suggests?
In short, does no one really decent want this job?
Why would they? What Villa manager has ever gone on to great things over the last however many years?
If you manage us, you more than likely won't meet the fans expectations, so why set yourself up for a fall?
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Already renewed and im looking forward to the positive carnival-like atmosphere of the 1st home game. :-\
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The nightmare continues.
I really am not bothered about the Blues connection - I am bothered about his football, and what his appointment says to the footballing world about Aston Villa.
FrommAncellotti and Benitez to............................................................................McLeish. :-[
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the board dont give shit about the fans if they go ahead with this wont be backing the board again, will sit in the holte an watch this go tits up...championship here we come hes got there twice before!!!!!!!
[Fucking grow up - you backing trhe board !!! with a defeatist attitude like yours who would want your backing. You would be upset if we did well, as you would be proved wrong ]
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I'm now resigned to it happening. The only interesting part left is the spin that's going to be put on it at the unveiling.
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looks like it's a done deal... better just get used to it, oh well here we go!
Like I said it's hard being a Villa fan,
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Give me a minute.
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the board dont give shit about the fans if they go ahead with this wont be backing the board again, will sit in the holte an watch this go tits up...championship here we come hes got there twice before!!!!!!!
[Fucking grow up - you backing trhe board !!! with a defeatist attitude like yours who would want your backing. You would be upset if we did well, as you would be proved wrong ]
well said thats the main thing it's not about supporting your team, it's about ignoring all the villa fans that dont want him, and i believe there are more against him than for, and randy should realise it
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for me its a total disregard for the fans just as houllier did at anfield and man city.
Exactly
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i cant just stop loving my villa,its personal like part of the family,i,ve been confused and worried all week.but if he does take over,well so be it,we are aston villa,i followed you in the 3rd 2nd and the top division then down again and back up.AND WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU.
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Ill be there next season too as I purchased a season ticket about 3/4 weeks back. im very disappointed though but will have to show my backing to the man in charge as well as the chairman, board and the club! :(
Agreed - i like it no more than anyone but just have a feeling that it might just work for us! - he had no cash for players he actually wanted,a board who did not support him and a hatefull mob as supporters - didn`t have much chance did he!
always claret and blue - whatever happens :)
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Has anyone else just remembered that we'll be going to Hong Kong on our pre season tour?
We will be having the Chinese singing shit on the villa...
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Some things you just don't do,and this is one of them.
Gutted gutted gutted :(
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I have just woken up, was it just a bad dream?
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It is like your dad bought you a blues kit for christmas.
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for me its a total disregard for the fans just as houllier did at anfield and man city.
Exactly
I don't think Big Ek will go the Sty (3rd round of the League Cup when someone (Sky) fixes the draw) and do a lap of honour!
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It is like your dad bought you a blues kit for christmas.
And made you wear it!
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shit >:(
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Just read that statement. What a completely pointless thing to do, it's now obvious that they're going to appoint Mcleish otherwise why say anything about it at all.
Stunned that they would consider someone as negative and tactically inept. Who on earth is advising them?
I said yesterday to a mate that this is like 'Springtime for Hitler' because in order to destroy the club from inside out this is the appointment to do it. I just pray nothing's signed yet and they'll have second thoughts. Seriously, I'd just about taken anyone now as an alternative. Certainly all of the other 19 Prem managers and that includes Pulis.
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There have been 5 really, really bad days for me since I started supporting Villa. Ron Saunders resigning, nearly going out of business in the late 60's and 3 relegations. Looks like I got another one coming.
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I wouldn't be that bothered. Probably because I don't believe we're getting him.
But still, managers come and go. Good, bad and Graham Turner. If, bizarrely, he's coming I'm sure we'd all rub along.
Knobhead
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the board dont give shit about the fans if they go ahead with this wont be backing the board again, will sit in the holte an watch this go tits up...championship here we come hes got there twice before!!!!!!!
[Fucking grow up - you backing trhe board !!! with a defeatist attitude like yours who would want your backing. You would be upset if we did well, as you would be proved wrong ]
sorry champions league here we come...clown!!!!
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Are there any noises coming out of the club at all about an imminent appointment of an ex-Blues manager? Sky Sports announce 5/1 on for McTwat and everybody gets hysterical. I don't think he'll be the Villa manager in this or any other lifetime.
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My first post on this site and some might agree with me but I'm guessing many won't. If mcleish does become the new villa manager I will be 100% behind him, ok he's come from small Heath, he defiantly would not of been in my top 5 possible replacements but i believe with the backing of the villa board and some money to spend he could do us right. He didn't appear to get much of either off them down the road which alot of their managers don't seem to get over the years hense why there always up and down.
I keep hearing this whole negative football comment alot and yes blues football was dire at the best of times last season but so was ours until we brought a goal scorer in Darren bent which in my opinion saved our season. With mcleish he never got any backing financially to bring in a goal scoring option so had to play with defensive tactics first before dealing with there non existant goal threat.
He won trophys at rangers, got small Heath promoted and finished 9th when they came back up would he of done that playing negative football?
Don't get me wrong I would not want him if I had a choice but you just have to play with the cards your delt.
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A very reliable source has just text me to confirm McLeish.
Rather than offer him the job, couldn't be just offer him a life long season ticket in appreciation of his acheivements at the Sty.
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I wouldn't be that bothered. Probably because I don't believe we're getting him.
But still, managers come and go. Good, bad and Graham Turner. If, bizarrely, he's coming I'm sure we'd all rub along.
Knobhead
Please stop abusing yourself!
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A very reliable source has just text me to confirm McLeish.
Rather than offer him the job, couldn't be just offer him a life long season ticket in appreciation of his acheivements at the Sty.
This is worth a golden globe award, its the single most sensible thing I've heard all day, you never know it may help the fella to learn something about the game.
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My first post on this site and some might agree with me but I'm guessing many won't. If mcleish does become the new villa manager I will be 100% behind him, ok he's come from small Heath, he defiantly would not of been in my top 5 possible replacements but i believe with the backing of the villa board and some money to spend he could do us right. He didn't appear to get much of either off them down the road which alot of their managers don't seem to get over the years hense why there always up and down.
I keep hearing this whole negative football comment alot and yes blues football was dire at the best of times last season but so was ours until we brought a goal scorer in Darren bent which in my opinion saved our season. With mcleish he never got any backing financially to bring in a goal scoring option so had to play with defensive tactics first before dealing with there non existant goal threat.
He won trophys at rangers, got small Heath promoted and finished 9th when they came back up would he of done that playing negative football?
Don't get me wrong I would not want him if I had a choice but you just have to play with the cards your delt.
A fair first post in a crowd of over the top shite. Welcome to H&V
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My first post on this site and some might agree with me but I'm guessing many won't. If mcleish does become the new villa manager I will be 100% behind him, ok he's come from small Heath, he defiantly would not of been in my top 5 possible replacements but i believe with the backing of the villa board and some money to spend he could do us right. He didn't appear to get much of either off them down the road which alot of their managers don't seem to get over the years hense why there always up and down.
I keep hearing this whole negative football comment alot and yes blues football was dire at the best of times last season but so was ours until we brought a goal scorer in Darren bent which in my opinion saved our season. With mcleish he never got any backing financially to bring in a goal scoring option so had to play with defensive tactics first before dealing with there non existant goal threat.
He won trophys at rangers, got small Heath promoted and finished 9th when they came back up would he of done that playing negative football?
Don't get me wrong I would not want him if I had a choice but you just have to play with the cards your delt.
It's not the fact that he's managed the knuckledraggers that is the problem. It's the fact that he is not good enough for us considering his track record elsewhere.
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My first post on this site and some might agree with me but I'm guessing many won't. If mcleish does become the new villa manager I will be 100% behind him, ok he's come from small Heath, he defiantly would not of been in my top 5 possible replacements but i believe with the backing of the villa board and some money to spend he could do us right. He didn't appear to get much of either off them down the road which alot of their managers don't seem to get over the years hense why there always up and down.
I keep hearing this whole negative football comment alot and yes blues football was dire at the best of times last season but so was ours until we brought a goal scorer in Darren bent which in my opinion saved our season. With mcleish he never got any backing financially to bring in a goal scoring option so had to play with defensive tactics first before dealing with there non existant goal threat.
He won trophys at rangers, got small Heath promoted and finished 9th when they came back up would he of done that playing negative football?
Don't get me wrong I would not want him if I had a choice but you just have to play with the cards your delt.
It's not the fact that he's managed the knuckledraggers that is the problem. It's the fact that he is not good enough for us considering his track record elsewhere.
Exactly, he as shown no evidence whatsoever he is suited to Premership football, SPL simply doesn't come into it, ask any nose and they will wax lyrical about the negative style of football he adopts, the "he plays every game like a draw is the best result" he's happy with that, he has struggled to establish any kind of track record in the Premiership, its nothing to do with mob or over the top remarks, everybody has an opinion and in my opinion it won't be very long before the screams of betrayel are being heard from every Villa fan.
Think it has to said, we have just come out of an abysmal season IMO, we have a chance to put that right and go forward, and look for a genuine game plan that sets out a real philosophy for where we wan't to get to.
What do we do........................
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Legion, who's is good enough to take on the villa role?
Let's be realistic were not going to attract big names like Benitez or ancheloti because we simply haven't got the funds to invest in what they would want.
Mark Hughes would be my number 1 option now followed by moyes but I hear the later wouldn't be an option,
Apart from unrealistic big names who is good enough for Aston villa?
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My first post on this site and some might agree with me but I'm guessing many won't. If mcleish does become the new villa manager I will be 100% behind him, ok he's come from small Heath, he defiantly would not of been in my top 5 possible replacements but i believe with the backing of the villa board and some money to spend he could do us right. He didn't appear to get much of either off them down the road which alot of their managers don't seem to get over the years hense why there always up and down.
I keep hearing this whole negative football comment alot and yes blues football was dire at the best of times last season but so was ours until we brought a goal scorer in Darren bent which in my opinion saved our season. With mcleish he never got any backing financially to bring in a goal scoring option so had to play with defensive tactics first before dealing with there non existant goal threat.
He won trophys at rangers, got small Heath promoted and finished 9th when they came back up would he of done that playing negative football?
Don't get me wrong I would not want him if I had a choice but you just have to play with the cards your delt.
Welcome Rich, I have to agree with most of this.
It is looking very likely he is coming so I do hope he gets the backing of the board to help with the squad. We have some players to replace now. We'll have to see what he can do, if we win enough the negative football (which he is famous for) could well be forgotten in time. I do still remember the saying 1-0 to the Arsenal during George Graham reign, but I also remember he won trophies. The same man at Spurs is remembered in a different light though. I just think Eck will have to do more than most to win everyone over but also do it very quickly, which for me is very worrying indeed.
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Legion, who's is good enough to take on the villa role?
Let's be realistic were not going to attract big names like Benitez or ancheloti because we simply haven't got the funds to invest in what they would want.
Mark Hughes would be my number 1 option now followed by moyes but I hear the later wouldn't be an option,
Apart from unrealistic big names who is good enough for Aston villa?
Welcome to the site, Rich. In the space of two weeks, we've gone from Champions League (European Cup for me) winners in Ancelotti and Benitez to up-and-coming like Hughes and Martinez whilst holding out for Moyes to has-beens like McClaren and McLeish. In answer to your question I have no idea.
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My mate packed in his season tickets at the sty because of mcleish now he's happy and renewing. What does that tell you?
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Just how spectacularly shit would you have to be as a manager to finish third in the SPL with Rangers? A Big Eck level of shitness.
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Legion, who's is good enough to take on the villa role?
Let's be realistic were not going to attract big names like Benitez or ancheloti because we simply haven't got the funds to invest in what they would want.
Mark Hughes would be my number 1 option now followed by moyes but I hear the later wouldn't be an option,
Apart from unrealistic big names who is good enough for Aston villa?
Just stuck this up in another thread
Van Gaal.....
Bernd Schuster...
Jurgan Klinsman...
Marco Van Basten...
Micheal Laudrop...
Steve Coppel...
Glen Hoddell...
Mark Hughes...
All managers used to working with small squads and not a huge amount of money to throw about, all managers that have achieved more or less, go on the FIFA or LMA website and look at the calibre of managers out there not employed, I could extend this list considerably, if i can see this why can't the Villa board?.
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I'd rather have Matteo than the ginger one why do board seem so keen on alienating the life-force of the club we pay the wages we were here before them and we will be here long after they have gone, they say they listened to us when we didn't want the Wally with the brolly why army they listening now when more than half of fans are yelling we don't want mcleish. Is this our punishment for repelling mc claren ?
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If this goes ahead it will just confirm that the board hasn't got a bloody clue!
It will prove that they had no idea or plan in place in case GH was unable to continue as Villa manager and they have just staggered from one manager to another. It is ineptitude of the highest order!
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Fucking hell, Glenn Hoddle? Really?
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Fucking hell, Glenn Hoddle? Really?
That cheered me right up. It could actually be worse.
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Fucking hell, Glenn Hoddle? Really?
Not suggesting any 1 name there, more an exercise in pointing out there are many candidates out there, I could have put up Keegan, Strachen, somebody mentioned George Graham, there are decent No2's we could look at like Brian Kidd, point is there are many many options other than McKliesh thats for sure.
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My mate packed in his season tickets at the sty because of mcleish now he's happy and renewing. What does that tell you?
This is true actually....Small Heath fans are widely regarded as a knowledgable bunch.
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Yes there are many options, but the point is that there are options, such as Hoddle, Strachan, Keegan, Graham who would probably be worse than McLeish.
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Fucking hell, Glenn Hoddle? Really?
Not suggesting any 1 name there, more an exercise in pointing out there are many candidates out there, I could have put up Keegan, Strachen, somebody mentioned George Graham, there are decent No2's we could look at like Brian Kidd, point is there are many many options other than McKliesh thats for sure.
Brian Kidd took Blackburn down, three seasons after they were champions
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Fucking hell, Glenn Hoddle? Really?
Not suggesting any 1 name there, more an exercise in pointing out there are many candidates out there, I could have put up Keegan, Strachen, somebody mentioned George Graham, there are decent No2's we could look at like Brian Kidd, point is there are many many options other than McKliesh thats for sure.
Brian Kidd took Blackburn down, three seasons after they were champions
Again Not suggesting any 1 name as we should get him, what i'm saying is we haven't even tried to look IMO, and how does Kidd compare to Mcliesh, not a lot in it.....
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I blame Barcelona for this "We must play wonderful football" malarky. I dont think I have ever seen Villa play particularly flowing football in my years watching them...why now? When did this become more important than winning?
It has almost become a case where a managers success means nothing if it hasnt been done without the ball leaving the floor and a manager can build a reputation on simply getting his team playing "pretty" football
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I blame Barcelona for this "We must play wonderful football" malarky. I dont think I have ever seen Villa play particularly flowing football in my years watching them...why now? When did this become more important than winning?
It has almost become a case where a managers success means nothing if it hasnt been done without the ball leaving the floor and a manager can build a reputation on simply getting his team playing "pretty" football
Fair comment.
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I blame Barcelona for this "We must play wonderful football" malarky. I dont think I have ever seen Villa play particularly flowing football in my years watching them...why now? When did this become more important than winning?
It has almost become a case where a managers success means nothing if it hasnt been done without the ball leaving the floor and a manager can build a reputation on simply getting his team playing "pretty" football
I don't give a shit about that meself - in fact, I don't care for Barcelona at all. But there's a difference between trying to play exciting football at pace and having a side with the best English striker in the country that is happy to play for dull 1-0 wins or 0-0 draws in the hope we stay in the league.
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Fucking hell, Glenn Hoddle? Really?
Not suggesting any 1 name there, more an exercise in pointing out there are many candidates out there, I could have put up Keegan, Strachen, somebody mentioned George Graham, there are decent No2's we could look at like Brian Kidd, point is there are many many options other than McKliesh thats for sure.
Brian Kidd took Blackburn down, three seasons after they were champions
Again Not suggesting any 1 name as we should get him, what i'm saying is we haven't even tried to look IMO, and how does Kidd compare to Mcliesh, not a lot in it.....
Well Brian Kidd was a United assistant when they won things, he left and they still won things...so his impact doesn't seem significant
McLeish was succesful at Hibs, Rangers and did a decent job with Scotland.... and regardless of what anyone says he got SH there only real trophy and a 9th place finish the year before....with little to no support from the board
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I blame Barcelona for this "We must play wonderful football" malarky. I dont think I have ever seen Villa play particularly flowing football in my years watching them...why now? When did this become more important than winning?
It has almost become a case where a managers success means nothing if it hasnt been done without the ball leaving the floor and a manager can build a reputation on simply getting his team playing "pretty" football
I think the deep seated fear factor is the other end of the scale, we all know Villa are capable of some long ball dreary dross, its the hope of something differant to the prospect of employing someone that will deliver just that kind of negative play we fear, I think that's the dread.
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Oh the irony ....McLeish is ours, McLeish is ours, feck off Small Heath , McLeish is ours.
That hurts ...
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I blame Barcelona for this "We must play wonderful football" malarky. I dont think I have ever seen Villa play particularly flowing football in my years watching them...why now? When did this become more important than winning?
It has almost become a case where a managers success means nothing if it hasnt been done without the ball leaving the floor and a manager can build a reputation on simply getting his team playing "pretty" football
I don't give a shit about that meself - in fact, I don't care for Barcelona at all. But there's a difference between trying to play exciting football at pace and having a side with the best English striker in the country that is happy to play for dull 1-0 wins or 0-0 draws in the hope we stay in the league.
I get that... but we are Aston Villa
If I was manager of that scum, I would do everything in my power to try and keep them in the league with a limited ability squad. They had Jerome and Zigic up front....he was probably trying to keep the ball away from them
Villa have quality Blose could only dream of. Rangers and Scotland played decent football under him. He tried to get them playing football hence Hleb and Bentley but if the board only let you get them in and then sign Zigic when you ask for Pavlyuchenko then what can you do. We have quality and I think there is no reason why, with the likes of Makoun, Delph, Downing (hopefully), Bannan etc... we cant play decent football
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As long as McLeish doesn't bring Jonah with him - aka Peter Grant we might just have a chance of staying up next season.
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I blame Barcelona for this "We must play wonderful football" malarky. I dont think I have ever seen Villa play particularly flowing football in my years watching them...why now? When did this become more important than winning?
It has almost become a case where a managers success means nothing if it hasnt been done without the ball leaving the floor and a manager can build a reputation on simply getting his team playing "pretty" football
I don't give a shit about that meself - in fact, I don't care for Barcelona at all. But there's a difference between trying to play exciting football at pace and having a side with the best English striker in the country that is happy to play for dull 1-0 wins or 0-0 draws in the hope we stay in the league.
I get that... but we are Aston Villa
If I was manager of that scum, I would do everything in my power to try and keep them in the league with a limited ability squad. They had Jerome and Zigic up front....he was probably trying to keep the ball away from them
Villa have quality Blose could only dream of. Rangers and Scotland played decent football under him. He tried to get them playing football hence Hleb and Bentley but if the board only let you get them in and then sign Zigic when you ask for Pavlyuchenko then what can you do. We have quality and I think there is no reason why, with the likes of Makoun, Delph, Downing (hopefully), Bannan etc... we cant play decent football
I'll have to take your word for his style of play with Scotland or Rangers. I can only go with what I've witnessed, which was dreck (ooh, that rhymes with Big Eck) and add it to those regular drubbings at the hands of the Sky 4 which seemed, the odd 7-1 notwithstanding, to be largely a thing of the past for our own side.
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Fucking hell, Glenn Hoddle? Really?
Not suggesting any 1 name there, more an exercise in pointing out there are many candidates out there, I could have put up Keegan, Strachen, somebody mentioned George Graham, there are decent No2's we could look at like Brian Kidd, point is there are many many options other than McKliesh thats for sure.
Brian Kidd took Blackburn down, three seasons after they were champions
Again Not suggesting any 1 name as we should get him, what i'm saying is we haven't even tried to look IMO, and how does Kidd compare to Mcliesh, not a lot in it.....
Well Brian Kidd was a United assistant when they won things, he left and they still won things...so his impact doesn't seem significant
McLeish was succesful at Hibs, Rangers and did a decent job with Scotland.... and regardless of what anyone says he got SH there only real trophy and a 9th place finish the year before....with little to no support from the board
Again i'm simply naming names as a possibilty, as for kid there is no question he's a work in progress and he's worked with some great managers, but i'm not suggesting for 1 minute he is qualified to take the job.
As for McLiesh and pointed out in another post the SPL doesn't come into it, and IMO he's been far more damaging for the noses than he's ever been good for them. Not many Blues fans that would disagree with that, and thats right on the back of a cup winning season.
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Optimism time:
It's Ron Saunders in reverse - relegate that lot then win us the league.
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Optimism time:
It's Ron Saunders in reverse - relegate that lot then win us the league.
Medication time! ;)
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He has made Gardner and Ridgewell double their value?
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Optimism time:
It's Ron Saunders in reverse - relegate that lot then win us the league.
Thats deep....
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He has made Gardner and Ridgewell double their value?
Gardner was their top scorer with 8 goals last season. Another fact to damn him with.
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Optimism time:
It's Ron Saunders in reverse - relegate that lot then win us the league.
Medication time! ;)
No, got BLUES RELEGATED TWICE! What an agent! Come in from the cold...
(strokes white cat provocatively)
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Well, we need a keeper, full backs, play maker. Who will he bring in? Can he get the bast out of Jean II Makoun? I like him and I hope he can knuckle down and settle in ready for big KO. Will Barry Bannan get a run? Will Albrighton be as big a impact. I hope so. Bent's going to score goals. Will Carlos get a decent run in the side. I see Delph being the sort of player McCleish loves so I reckon he will blossom. What about the number 9, the bald fella maybe Eck can sort him out or just swap him for Dan and Foster as a favour to his old buddies down the road.
I'm over it now, a summer time break from all this I think. Well maybe until tomorrow night.
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I'm not one for protests, that's rather "Fearish", but I have give this some thought. I don't think that it is the duty of Fans to decide who or who should not be the next Manager. Lerner has gained more than enough favour for us to trust him, but there is also a responsibility from his side to get a Manager that will take this club forward. I honestly believe that that in Houllier he tried that and perhaps with a full pre-season takes us back to the edge of the European placements or higher.
However, I cannot believe that the Board have even considered McLeish for the job. I'm not anti him as a person and by all accounts, he is a decent fella, but a Manager that has taken down a club twice in 3 seasons under whatever circumstances, should not even be on the radar. Managing the Great Unwashed merely exacerbates the situation.
If he becomes Manager, then the 2 ST's that I would be buying won't happen. I've had a bit of a sabbatical for the last 2 years, but have still been home and away, with a bill for £1000 for the LC Final alone, just so that me and the lad could be there.
I'm in admiration for those that say that they Support the Club and not the Manager, I've always been of the same ilk, but in this case I think that the Board, if they appoint AM, have crossed a line and indeed a point of no return with a lot of Supporters.
What a shame that it's come to this.
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I'll admit that as Blues manager I had a grudging respect for him because I thought he was an OK bloke, who always showed us a bit of respect. He obviously knew we were top dog in town, unlike other twats like Fry and Francis who probably believed what the pissed-up pricks down at the XTRA AM forum told them.
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Fucking hell, Glenn Hoddle? Really?
Not suggesting any 1 name there, more an exercise in pointing out there are many candidates out there, I could have put up Keegan, Strachen, somebody mentioned George Graham, there are decent No2's we could look at like Brian Kidd, point is there are many many options other than McKliesh thats for sure.
Brian Kidd took Blackburn down, three seasons after they were champions
Again Not suggesting any 1 name as we should get him, what i'm saying is we haven't even tried to look IMO, and how does Kidd compare to Mcliesh, not a lot in it.....
Well Brian Kidd was a United assistant when they won things, he left and they still won things...so his impact doesn't seem significant
Not quite. Man Utd went through a fallow period (well, fallow by their standards) when he left. Didn't they go a couple of seasons without winning anything?
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I'm not one for protests, that's rather "Fearish", but I have give this some thought. I don't think that it is the duty of Fans to decide who or who should not be the next Manager. Lerner has gained more than enough favour for us to trust him, but there is also a responsibility from his side to get a Manager that will take this club forward. I honestly believe that that in Houllier he tried that and perhaps with a full pre-season takes us back to the edge of the European placements or higher.
However, I cannot believe that the Board have even considered McLeish for the job. I'm not anti him as a person and by all accounts, he is a decent fella, but a Manager that has taken down a club twice in 3 seasons under whatever circumstances, should not even be on the radar. Managing the Great Unwashed merely exacerbates the situation.
If he becomes Manager, then the 2 ST's that I would be buying won't happen. I've had a bit of a sabbatical for the last 2 years, but have still been home and away, with a bill for £1000 for the LC Final alone, just so that me and the lad could be there.
I'm in admiration for those that say that they Support the Club and not the Manager, I've always been of the same ilk, but in this case I think that the Board, if they appoint AM, have crossed a line and indeed a point of no return with a lot of Supporters.
What a shame that it's come to this.
Spot on, Lee.
It makes you wonder how on earth we approached those candidates we ranked above AM in order to find ourselves locked in an unseemly battle with Small Heath for his services.
Then there are other questions, such as
- why, oh why drag Houllier out (clean bill of health) screaming and kicking and pay him millions to go away, only to appoint McLeish?
- when drafting that stupid statement today, I noticed they didn't refer to record of success in the criteria they are using. Instead, they refer to "premiership experience". What experience do they have in mind? The one season out of three he has avoided relegation perhaps? Or maybe it was last season's average of less than one goal a game?
- after alienating a good chunk of the support last year, how do they think they're going to get them back with this appointment? How are they going to sell season tickets on the back of this?
- Why spend so long cultivating fan relations only to piss the large part of it up the wall by making a ludicrous appointment like this?
If you look at our progression from MON -> GH -> AM it is nigh on impossible to see us as anything but a club which is quite clearly going backwards. For them to tell us otherwise is, frankly, taking the piss.
It really absolutely beggars belief, I still can not believe he is under serious consideration. Let alone being in the first five or six choices, he shouldn't be on the first five or six pages.
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Hi all, have been in a coma for a fortnight, had this terrible dream that Alex McLeish was going to be the next Villa manager.......imagine how bizarre that would be?!?! Thank the lord it was only a nightmare!
Now then, what's in the papers....................
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The remarks Sir Graham made yesterday met with one or two negative responses, but it looks like he was once again, spot on. What a mess.
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From a positive point of view. AM seems to want the job, and if appointed Randy will back him. He must be confident he can succeed here, given the backlash that this has caused. I know that blues were dull under him (nothing new there) but with better players, then he can make it work.
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From a positive point of view. AM seems to want the job, and if appointed Randy will back him. He must be confident he can succeed here, given the backlash that this has caused. I know that blues were dull under him (nothing new there) but with better players, then he can make it work.
Of course he'll take it.
He'll be walking away with 3 or 4 million pounds when it inevitably goes tits up at the end of the season, and we're forced to rebuild again.
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I'm not one for protests, that's rather "Fearish", but I have give this some thought. I don't think that it is the duty of Fans to decide who or who should not be the next Manager. Lerner has gained more than enough favour for us to trust him, but there is also a responsibility from his side to get a Manager that will take this club forward. I honestly believe that that in Houllier he tried that and perhaps with a full pre-season takes us back to the edge of the European placements or higher.
However, I cannot believe that the Board have even considered McLeish for the job. I'm not anti him as a person and by all accounts, he is a decent fella, but a Manager that has taken down a club twice in 3 seasons under whatever circumstances, should not even be on the radar. Managing the Great Unwashed merely exacerbates the situation.
If he becomes Manager, then the 2 ST's that I would be buying won't happen. I've had a bit of a sabbatical for the last 2 years, but have still been home and away, with a bill for £1000 for the LC Final alone, just so that me and the lad could be there.
I'm in admiration for those that say that they Support the Club and not the Manager, I've always been of the same ilk, but in this case I think that the Board, if they appoint AM, have crossed a line and indeed a point of no return with a lot of Supporters.
What a shame that it's come to this.
Spot on, Lee.
It makes you wonder how on earth we approached those candidates we ranked above AM in order to find ourselves locked in an unseemly battle with Small Heath for his services.
Then there are other questions, such as
- why, oh why drag Houllier out (clean bill of health) screaming and kicking and pay him millions to go away, only to appoint McLeish?
- when drafting that stupid statement today, I noticed they didn't refer to record of success in the criteria they are using. Instead, they refer to "premiership experience". What experience do they have in mind? The one season out of three he has avoided relegation perhaps? Or maybe it was last season's average of less than one goal a game?
- after alienating a good chunk of the support last year, how do they think they're going to get them back with this appointment? How are they going to sell season tickets on the back of this?
- Why spend so long cultivating fan relations only to piss the large part of it up the wall by making a ludicrous appointment like this?
If you look at our progression from MON -> GH -> AM it is nigh on impossible to see us as anything but a club which is quite clearly going backwards. For them to tell us otherwise is, frankly, taking the piss.
It really absolutely beggars belief, I still can not believe he is under serious consideration. Let alone being in the first five or six choices, he shouldn't be on the first five or six pages.
Cheers Paulie, I concur with the points you've raised.
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From a positive point of view. AM seems to want the job, and if appointed Randy will back him. He must be confident he can succeed here, given the backlash that this has caused. I know that blues were dull under him (nothing new there) but with better players, then he can make it work.
I work with a few Noses, one in the same Team and he is a sound lad and a ST holder at the Sty. By and large, the banter is good natured and the footy talk is on the level and he knows what he is on about (and knows his place).
He cannot believe that we are even considering McLeish in any form. I know he won them something, but the amount of times he has come in on a Monday Morning and said "what a fucking pile of cack that was the weekend", frightens me.
Also, he came out with a stat that I found interesting too, but have not checked. That Blues are one of the biggest NET spenders in the Premier League, ie what they have laid out and had nowt in return - are the figures to hand to check?
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From a positive point of view. AM seems to want the job, and if appointed Randy will back him. He must be confident he can succeed here, given the backlash that this has caused. I know that blues were dull under him (nothing new there) but with better players, then he can make it work.
Of course he'll take it.
He'll be walking away with 3 or 4 million pounds when it inevitably goes tits up at the end of the season, and we're forced to rebuild again.
If he gets that far.
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Over 14,000 people 'Like' the Facebook 'Aston Villa Supporters - We don't want Alex McLeish' page
General, Randy please take note.
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Over 14,000 people 'Like' the Facebook 'Aston Villa Supporters - We don't want Alex McLeish' page
General, Randy please take note.
That page should not sway him, common fucking sense should.
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Over 14,000 people 'Like' the Facebook 'Aston Villa Supporters - We don't want Alex McLeish' page
General, Randy please take note.
That page should not sway him, common fucking sense should.
It's quite clear that they haven't got any common sense if McLeish is in the running for the job.
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From a positive point of view. AM seems to want the job, and if appointed Randy will back him. He must be confident he can succeed here, given the backlash that this has caused. I know that blues were dull under him (nothing new there) but with better players, then he can make it work.
no wonder he wants the job , he cant believe his luck...
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No good can come of this
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From a positive point of view. AM seems to want the job, and if appointed Randy will back him. He must be confident he can succeed here, given the backlash that this has caused. I know that blues were dull under him (nothing new there) but with better players, then he can make it work.
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Balls of steel. I've read it here and it is true so go for it, Alex.
Not going to bother with 'if appointed'.
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I will answer the question posed by this thread through the medium of song:
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adrenachrome
I'm drifting more towards the bereft disillusionment of 'People Ain't No Good'.
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Legion, who's is good enough to take on the villa role?
Let's be realistic were not going to attract big names like Benitez or ancheloti because we simply haven't got the funds to invest in what they would want.
Mark Hughes would be my number 1 option now followed by moyes but I hear the later wouldn't be an option,
Apart from unrealistic big names who is good enough for Aston villa?
I wonder if it's that type of negativity or limited thinking that has gripped hold of the board. Either that, or perhaps they contacted the usual suspects and they were initially interested - until they spoke to RL and Faulkner and were less than impressed.
Otherwise it just does not compute. We're very good at running ourselves down (and I'm realistic enough to know that one European Cup win nearly 30 years ago doesn't give us a divine right to cherry pick the best managers) but I don't think it's delusional to suggest that the Villa job would -under normal circumstances- be a big draw. We're one of the bigger teams in the most popular league in the world, with a decent stadium, decent gates and -until recently- a go ahead board who have provided substantial resources with minimal interference.
Yet for some reason, we've embraced MON's myopic approach in looking to address the solution - If they don't have Prem experience they're not good enough.
This means we'll discount plenty of talented individuals who have earned their stripes abroad and settle for a bloke who's experience of Prem management is made up of two relegations in three and a bit years. Yet -according to that statement issued- we think it would be unfair to discount him on the basis of his most recent experience, and won't hold that failure against him. The mind boggles.
I blame Barcelona for this "We must play wonderful football" malarky. I dont think I have ever seen Villa play particularly flowing football in my years watching them...
Odd, as your username contains a player who was part of a bright, attractive side in one of the most successful periods in the clubs history. We also had BFR's and Brian Little's sides who were entertaining in different ways. Even GT's lot first time round could be pleasing on the eye with Sid pulling the strings and Daley skinning fullbacks. MON's side between 2007/08 scored 70+ goals in the league and provided plenty of entertainment.
That lot all pre date Barcelona 2011, so I'm not sure it's some new craze sweeping the nation -wanting a side who increasingly cost a lot of money to watch actually look vaguely cohesive now and then.
I do know that quite a few B-lose fans were unimpressed with their side last year even pre relegation. Post relegation they were looking forward to him getting sacked so they could get a coach who might not stink the place out with dire defensive football. If even the Heathens with their low standards couldn't accept it (despite the distraction of a new shiny tin pot), I'm not sure why we should.
In fact I'm pretty certain that we shouldn't. That doesn't mean I expect one touch Barca esque total football either. But there are many points in between that and Big Ecks anti football that might be a bit more palatable.
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Just how spectacularly shit would you have to be as a manager to finish third in the SPL with Rangers? A Big Eck level of shitness.
Not to mention 3 relegations, 1 Hibernian, 2 Blues.
Even Ellis wouldn't have appointed a Manager as shit as this.
It just proves that on footballing matters, this board haven't got a clue.
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Just how spectacularly shit would you have to be as a manager to finish third in the SPL with Rangers? A Big Eck level of shitness.
Not to mention 3 relegations, 1 Hibernian, 2 Blues.
Even Ellis wouldn't have appointed a Manager as shit as this.
It just proves that on footballing matters, this board haven't got a clue.
You mustn't of seen the the Generals comments then. He a proper amazing geezer just the right fit for us apparently.
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Just how spectacularly shit would you have to be as a manager to finish third in the SPL with Rangers? A Big Eck level of shitness.
Not to mention 3 relegations, 1 Hibernian, 2 Blues.
Even Ellis wouldn't have appointed a Manager as shit as this.
It just proves that on footballing matters, this board haven't got a clue.
are you sure about this comment Rip ? Billy McNeill took two teams down in one season if my memory is correct.
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The Doc
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Just how spectacularly shit would you have to be as a manager to finish third in the SPL with Rangers? A Big Eck level of shitness.
Not to mention 3 relegations, 1 Hibernian, 2 Blues.
Even Ellis wouldn't have appointed a Manager as shit as this.
It just proves that on footballing matters, this board haven't got a clue.
100% correct
I mean when did the board know that Houllier was struggling health wise? March was it?
Why weren't they sounding people out behind the scenes then?
I think the board and RL are doing the whole AM thing partially out of spite to show that they are the one's running the club and it's all going to go tits up
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Just how spectacularly shit would you have to be as a manager to finish third in the SPL with Rangers? A Big Eck level of shitness.
Not to mention 3 relegations, 1 Hibernian, 2 Blues.
Even Ellis wouldn't have appointed a Manager as shit as this.
It just proves that on footballing matters, this board haven't got a clue.
are you sure about this comment Rip ? Billy McNeill took two teams down in one season if my memory is correct.
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The Doc
A poor one, but i'd counter with Sir Graham, Ron and Brian Little.
To be fair, McNeill hadn't experienced relegation on 3 previous occasions, unlike Fucking Eck.
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Just how spectacularly shit would you have to be as a manager to finish third in the SPL with Rangers? A Big Eck level of shitness.
Not to mention 3 relegations, 1 Hibernian, 2 Blues.
Even Ellis wouldn't have appointed a Manager as shit as this.
It just proves that on footballing matters, this board haven't got a clue.
You mustn't of seen the the Generals comments then. He a proper amazing geezer just the right fit for us apparently.
Aye.
I read the drivel about 'Other people in the game say he's good'
Well, they fucking would wouldn't they?
And it's hardly going to take any skin off Alex Fergusons red nose to say that an old mate would be a good choice for us.
The whole thing is a fucking farce.
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An incredibly uncomfortable read in the Guardian today:
Never mind the ethics of Aston Villa admitting an interest in the suddenly available Alex McLeish, the bigger question is why a club that was knocking on the door of the top four a couple of years ago and has been providing several players for England all season is now setting its sights so low.
No disrespect to McLeish, who seems to be a fairly capable if rarely inspiring sort of manager, but relegation is not normally a passport to higher things. Not immediately anyway, and certainly not when the move is across the same city to your fiercest rivals.
If Villa had wanted to make an uncomplicated appointment by simply finding a manager who was available, they had their choice from Mark Hughes and Steve McClaren. Rafa Benítez may have turned them down, but had they moved quickly enough they could have had the Dudley-born Sam Allardyce, and while bringing in Big Sam would presumably have attracted the same sort of terrace grumbling that his appointment provoked at West Ham, Villa fans could not have known that a month or so later they would be contemplating Big Eck.
Had Villa wanted to approach a manager currently in employment they could have asked for permission to speak to Roy Hodgson, Owen Coyle or Mick McCarthy, all managers who either kept their clubs up on limited resources or performed quick results turnarounds. Instead they opted to try for David Moyes, which was understandable but unlikely, and then Roberto Martínez, which was slightly puzzling in view of the season Wigan have just had. Another goal here or there on the final day of the season and Martínez would have been in McLeish's position, relegated without even the Carling Cup as consolation. Martínez talks a good game and ticks every box as a young, ambitious manager with a clear view of how he wants the game to be played, but Wigan spent most of the season in the bottom three. Until that vital win at Stoke on the last day, Martínez had never seen his side record back-to-back league victories in two seasons as the Wigan manager.
So even had Martínez said yes to Villa – and few in the north-west really expected him to step outside the comfort zone of his two-man mutual admiration society with Dave Whelan – it would still have been a strange appointment for a side wanting to be in the top half of the table and then some. Stranger than McClaren, who would have had to win over hostile fans but at least has a track record of actual achievement in two different countries. And much stranger than Hughes, who seemed a perfect fit for a club of Villa's status until it became clear that together with his high-powered agent he would always be on the lookout for a higher station.
But then again, what exactly is Villa's status at the moment? They never quite looked convincing top four material even at the absolute height of Martin O'Neill's time in charge, and fell away quite drastically last season to the point where they had to pay over the odds for Darren Bent to score the goals that kept them up. They are now in the process of selling their best players, with Stewart Downing expected to follow Ashley Young out of the club, so most of O'Neill's good work is being undone and it does not sound as if the new manager will be handed a massive transfer budget with which to source replacements. True, there are some good young players and prospects at the club, such as Nathan Delfouneso and Marc Albrighton, but the lesson of the season just ended is that experienced professionals are required to form the core of a Premier League team, and Villa have just parted with the still reliable Brad Friedel and cannot expect too much more from grizzled veterans such as Richard Dunne and Emile Heskey.
All things considered, it is quite a mess, and one can see why managers established at other clubs are not leaping over themselves to put their names forward. Villa may have a splendid stadium and a huge fanbase, but in a real sense such things complicate the situation these days for what would once have been referred to a respectable, mid-table side. There is no such thing as mid-table respectability any more unless you are a club like Bolton, Stoke, Fulham or Blackburn, confidently punching above your weight and gaining your end-of-season satisfaction from staying well clear of the relegation zone and maybe the odd cup run or Wembley appearance. Clubs below that level, such as Wolves, Wigan and whoever happens to be promoted, generally know they will be in for a relegation scrap most seasons. For clubs above that level – Everton, Villa, Spurs and these days even Liverpool – the only thing to aim for is fourth place and the Champions League. Clearly not all of them can make it – most seasons none of them will make it – but the choice is a stark one between coasting in mid-table and risking fans being turned off by lack of ambition, or going all out for Champions League status without worrying about failure or financial consequence.
Villa are victims of this process as much as the risky appointment of Gérard Houllier as manager, which in turn was brought on by O'Neill walking out just days before the start of last season. If O'Neill's grievance was about good players being sold with insufficient funds for replacements, the situation does not appear to have altered much in 12 months. The underlying cause is that Villa will never be able to keep hold of their best players, or attract the top tier of new ones, until they establish themselves as a Champions League force, or at least send out a convincing signal that they are about to give it a good try. That's what Spurs did, but even then it only worked for a season. That's the danger, particularly when you have Manchester City and their money to factor into the equation. But at least Spurs gave it a good go, delighted their fans for a season, and are in a slightly better position than they were to repeat the exercise in the near future.
Everton made the top four once, only to fall at the first hurdle in Europe due to an unfavourable qualifying round draw that pitted them against the eventual semi-finalists in Villarreal, and are too skint these days to entertain realistic hopes of finishing above City, Liverpool and Tottenham. Everyone knows that, and everyone has a degree of admiration for the competitive sides Moyes turns out on a limited budget. That, sadly, is all Everton fans have to look forward to now. Moyes seems to have decided there was not that much to choose between his present club's position and Villa's. If you are serious about mounting a top four challenge you only have to look at Liverpool's recent spending to see what is required. Admittedly you ought not to need quite so many midfielders, but Liverpool are making a clear statement under Kenny Dalglish that they want their old status back and they have owners willing and able to back that ambition.
Alex McLeish fits bill for a club with lowered expectations like Villa
Despite Big Eck's credentials, one still feels this is another PR calamity waiting to happen, or perhaps already has happened
Can Villa say the same thing? No. Villa are not making any clear statements at all at the moment. It can be surmised from their pursuit of Martínez and now McLeish that they have lowered their expectations and are resigned to toughing it out in mid-table or below for the next few seasons, but even if belt-tightening has become necessary it would still have been more logical to appoint a survival expert rather than a manager just relegated. McLeish is not a bad manager, only Liverpool and Everton seperated his newly-promoted Birmingham side from O'Neill's Villa the season before last, and if appointed he will probably stick around and give the club good service. Yet one still feels this is another PR calamity waiting to happen, perhaps already has happened. The Scot's solid credentials may simply not survive the chaos surrounding Villa's selection process.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/jun/15/alex-mcleish-aston-villa-birmingham
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What to expect next season...
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Just how spectacularly shit would you have to be as a manager to finish third in the SPL with Rangers? A Big Eck level of shitness.
Not to mention 3 relegations, 1 Hibernian, 2 Blues.
Even Ellis wouldn't have appointed a Manager as shit as this.
It just proves that on footballing matters, this board haven't got a clue.
Where is hilts where we need him, or Ozzjim who agrees with him? They have an entirely logical theory, that proves beyond any doubt and confirms as an undeniable truth, that Fuckin Eck is a better manager than David Moyes and Mark Hughes. Something along the lines of a manager with a record of winning trophies always being better than a manager who hasn't.
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Just how spectacularly shit would you have to be as a manager to finish third in the SPL with Rangers? A Big Eck level of shitness.
Not to mention 3 relegations, 1 Hibernian, 2 Blues.
Even Ellis wouldn't have appointed a Manager as shit as this.
It just proves that on footballing matters, this board haven't got a clue.
are you sure about this comment Rip ? Billy McNeill took two teams down in one season if my memory is correct.
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The Doc
A poor one, but i'd counter with Sir Graham, Ron and Brian Little.
To be fair, McNeill hadn't experienced relegation on 3 previous occasions, unlike Fucking Eck.
to be fair Rip, Herbert had been there for many years appointing many managers,
Randolph has only been at the Villa for a few years and appointed two, the first running off like a spoiled kid and the other one having to "retire" with poor health.
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The Doc
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Just how spectacularly shit would you have to be as a manager to finish third in the SPL with Rangers? A Big Eck level of shitness.
Not to mention 3 relegations, 1 Hibernian, 2 Blues.
Even Ellis wouldn't have appointed a Manager as shit as this.
It just proves that on footballing matters, this board haven't got a clue.
are you sure about this comment Rip ? Billy McNeill took two teams down in one season if my memory is correct.
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The Doc
A poor one, but i'd counter with Sir Graham, Ron and Brian Little.
To be fair, McNeill hadn't experienced relegation on 3 previous occasions, unlike Fucking Eck.
to be fair Rip, Herbert had been there for many years appointing many managers,
Randolph has only been at the Villa for a few years and appointed two, the first running off like a spoiled kid and the other one having to "retire" with poor health.
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The Doc
He didn't appoint O'Neill. So far this board has appointed one manager, after a lenghty drawn out process they came up with an uninspiring, some would say bizarre appointment that in my eyes was a disaster. I hope history isn't repeating with no 2.
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Since I watched the u'tube clip of Ajax supporters singing the Bob Marley classic
'Three Little Birds' the tune is regularly in my head -
Last night the vision of those three little birds was replaced with dirty great big black ravens
sitting on the gates of Villa Park in Trinity Road and shitting on the William McGregor statue-
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I will answer the question posed by this thread through the medium of song:
Best thing on this tedious thread.
Fancy dropping Release The Bats into the mix on the manager thread? Sonnys Burning if you've not got it in your DJ box or the live version of Stagger Lee. Thanks.
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Just how spectacularly shit would you have to be as a manager to finish third in the SPL with Rangers? A Big Eck level of shitness.
Not to mention 3 relegations, 1 Hibernian, 2 Blues.
Even Ellis wouldn't have appointed a Manager as shit as this.
It just proves that on footballing matters, this board haven't got a clue.
Where is hilts where we need him, or Ozzjim who agrees with him? They have an entirely logical theory, that proves beyond any doubt and confirms as an undeniable truth, that Fuckin Eck is a better manager than David Moyes and Mark Hughes. Something along the lines of a manager with a record of winning trophies always being better than a manager who hasn't.
I would sooner have Moyes or Hughes Percy. Lets not go twisting things, I am simply trying to see the positives is a fucking bleak situation.
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How would I feel?
Like the honey monster had stuck a finger in my a$$
UTV!
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Just how spectacularly shit would you have to be as a manager to finish third in the SPL with Rangers? A Big Eck level of shitness.
Not to mention 3 relegations, 1 Hibernian, 2 Blues.
Even Ellis wouldn't have appointed a Manager as shit as this.
It just proves that on footballing matters, this board haven't got a clue.
are you sure about this comment Rip ? Billy McNeill took two teams down in one season if my memory is correct.
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The Doc
A poor one, but i'd counter with Sir Graham, Ron and Brian Little.
To be fair, McNeill hadn't experienced relegation on 3 previous occasions, unlike Fucking Eck.
to be fair Rip, Herbert had been there for many years appointing many managers,
Randolph has only been at the Villa for a few years and appointed two, the first running off like a spoiled kid and the other one having to "retire" with poor health.
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The Doc
He didn't appoint O'Neill. So far this board has appointed one manager, after a lenghty drawn out process they came up with an uninspiring, some would say bizarre appointment that in my eyes was a disaster. I hope history isn't repeating with no 2.
depending on who you believe about the O'Neill appointment ;)
so ok one appointment then, I would also not class Houllier as uninspiring but maybe not the type of man we needed at that time and to be honest if you ask me who was the man needed.....I would have to say I do not know.
for sure, the next few weeks leading up to the first match will be mighty interesting.
UTV
The Doc
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Just how spectacularly shit would you have to be as a manager to finish third in the SPL with Rangers? A Big Eck level of shitness.
Not to mention 3 relegations, 1 Hibernian, 2 Blues.
Even Ellis wouldn't have appointed a Manager as shit as this.
It just proves that on footballing matters, this board haven't got a clue.
Where is hilts where we need him, or Ozzjim who agrees with him? They have an entirely logical theory, that proves beyond any doubt and confirms as an undeniable truth, that Fuckin Eck is a better manager than David Moyes and Mark Hughes. Something along the lines of a manager with a record of winning trophies always being better than a manager who hasn't.
I would sooner have Moyes or Hughes Percy. Lets not go twisting things, I am simply trying to see the positives is a fucking bleak situation.
Of course you would ozz, it just took this evidence of hilts' theory in action to show how ridiculous it always was.
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I feel sick to the pit of my stomach
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How would I feel?
Like the honey monster had stuck a finger in my a$$
UTV!
I think you mean UTS.
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id feel happier if it were signed and sealed now before these prats protest at 5 and make the club a total laughing stock on live tv - every message of graffiti daubed was about blues this morning ,not the quality of football but bluenose not welcome, sotc, and blues scum - if some blues fans attend as ive heard they may it could be a very nasty situation and the press will love ridiculing us .
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How would I feel?
Like the honey monster had stuck a finger in my a$$
Is that good or bad?
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I feel sick to the pit of my stomach
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I haven't got a problem with his record in Scotland or with Scotland. I haven't got a problem with the fact he managed Blues. I have a problem with us appointing a manager who in three seasons of managing in the PL has gone down twice. Avram Grant has managed exactly the same statistic so I hope in the interests of fairness we are interviewing him too.
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Just how spectacularly shit would you have to be as a manager to finish third in the SPL with Rangers? A Big Eck level of shitness.
Not to mention 3 relegations, 1 Hibernian, 2 Blues.
Even Ellis wouldn't have appointed a Manager as shit as this.
It just proves that on footballing matters, this board haven't got a clue.
That's a figure that was quoted to me tonight. Dear oh dear
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I feel sick to the pit of my stomach
I've felt like that all day. I cannot ever remember as a Villa Fan feeling like that.
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How will you feel if we appoint Fucking Eck?
At this rate we will all be unable to feel much as rigour mortis will be setting in.
Why oh Why does it take the Villa so long to sign managers, players etc.
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I have a problem with us appointing a manager who in three seasons of managing in the PL has gone down twice.
Not heard that before.
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I loved this, but then again im SSNews'd out :-
Prophecy of the Book of Mortimer : 26:05:82 - It was in all the scribes, whispered stories have passed from father to son for generations, some people embrace it and some people run away from it... but my friends let me confirm with you that the eve of the day of the dark has now arrived. The blood moon offered the warning to us on the 16th day....judgement day is upon us, darkness has fallen.
Horned and draped with the sorriest of souls while crawling out under from his stye he has fire colored hair and is casting off thousands of disfigured gargoyles and trolls who worshiped him and those false idols he offered up to them...the beast of Bowyer, the twisted Face of the demon Gardner, the noisy troll Carr...he has this evening arrived at the gates of the Holy Villa City
He has not yet entered, but it is imminent , and lo the Angels of the Trinity will fall and cries of pain will whistle in from the north as he does. His Gargoyles and demons with there defiant noses will loot the beloved chalices within the great room of Villa for they have not known such riches, his foot soldiers will attack the good on the streets as this is how they feast, this is how they worship.
The fields of Aston will be flooded with the faithful and loyal soldiers of Holte to tackle this beast, but alas.....they will not triumph....despite there valiant efforts the General has turned his back on them, he has walked into the valley of death, he has broken from the good and turned to evil.
The Prophet O'Neill also warned of this day, he fought valiantly to defeat it but has retreated to a safer promised land.
These days will not last forever, for good will always triumph over evil, but they will linger. Darkness will cover our blessed land , we must be prepared.
Solidarity is key, our history is key, our traditions must remain in place , our position above this darkness must always be remembered until we break free of this curse. For not alone will we defeat such a monster, not alone will we win, but together we will triumph. A few of us may fall and never be seen within our walls but they will return when the darkness lifts..and rejoice for the Dark Days will be defeated.
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bad enough appointing him
but to drag it on all week and now announce him tomorrow on my birthday
im getting full tomorrow
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I have a problem with us appointing a manager who in three seasons of managing in the PL has gone down twice.
Not heard that before.
Serious question though, can you even imagined the likes of Bolton or Blackburn hiring a manager who has taken another shit team down twice?
The board talk about Premier League experience, yea McLeish certainly has got experience in the Premier League department of being relegated not only once but twice.
Being relegated twice in three seasons shows your just not a very good manager managing in the Premier League.
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A post of mine earlier in the year:
"Ok, so they've done a lot of good since arrival, revamped the Holte pub, invested in the playing staff to a level, stopped child seat prices in the middle Trinity (OK maybe not that one) but I think the following are important negative factors in what is going on here:
The mysterious departure of Richard Fitzgerald and Michael Cunnah.
The replacement appointment of a relatively inexperienced (in football and quite possibly business terms) CEO in Paul Faulkner, who’s main skills for the job seem to be that he’s been part of the inner cycle – one wonders if going out to recruit would have been better..
The failure to manage MON effectively leading to his untimely departure.
The dithering over the appointment of a manager after mismanaging MON’s departure.
The appointment of a manager who is performing poorly.
The cessation of squad investment for the last 18 months.
They are responsible for the relationship between the wage bill and revenue, not the manager.
The retreat from communicating with fans when the going gets tough other than to put out an ill timed backing of a disliked manager after a mediocre result (granted an exciting game) against a failing top 4 side.
The failure to drive up attendances to increase revenue.
I’m not one to start screaming for the Randy Out or Faulkner Out or any such knee jerking, I’m just pointing out that there have been significant failings at a high level and its time they started to correct matters."
"One of my fears is that we have foreign owners who have less football nous than any of us on this site. I don't doubt their abilities to run a sports club in terms of marketing etc. but they really are not football people, and I think that is where we may come unstuck. Faulkner, I don't think, hasn't cut his business teeth in the football world except for the last 5 years under Lerner. I am concerned that we lack the executive experience to guide us through this, and we are left with a Board that will rely too heavily on Houllier to fill the gap of the football knowledge/ experience that they require.
I think, in terms of structure, we are crying out for a Director of Football role to improve this imbalance. Ironically someone like Houllier would probably be ideal for this role, because of his knowledge, but also because he is looking increasingly out of touch of how to manage a team close up. Alternatively of course, the best candidate would be Graham Taylor.... "
I got shot down for this at the time by alot on here. Events since the end of the season solidify this view for me as more evidence of dithering and incompetence. This board have no understanding of how to run a premier league football club. They need to go off and buy out a supermarket or some such similar business.
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I have a problem with us appointing a manager who in three seasons of managing in the PL has gone down twice.
Not heard that before.
You'll keep hearing it until he achieves something worthy that will help to make it fade on his CV.
There would be an uproar if we appointed relegation happy Glenn Roeder, this is very similar.
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I think it's about time that the title of this thread was changed. ''How do you feel about Alex McLeish being the next manager?'' I not that happy about the appointment, but have some respect and give the guy a chance - he's NOT a Blues fan!!
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I think it's about time that the title of this thread was changed. ''How do you feel about Alex McLeish being the next manager?'' I not that happy about the appointment, but have some respect and give the guy a chance - he's NOT a Blues fan!!
I agree. I'm not particularly happy either but we could try treating the guy in the same way as we might hope to be treated in a similar position
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That's right, we've all been in various degrees of apathy about this appontment but it's now time to unite and hope to McGrath that he's a good as the Board believe he is for us.
Funnier things have happened.
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I think it's about time that the title of this thread was changed. ''How do you feel about Alex McLeish being the next manager?'' I not that happy about the appointment, but have some respect and give the guy a chance - he's NOT a Blues fan!!
I agree. I'm not particularly happy either but we could try treating the guy in the same way as we might hope to be treated in a similar position
agree 100%
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All officially confirmed now - so it is a case of 'how did you feel'...
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In answer to the question.
I feel sick.
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Radio WM just announced McLeish has been appointment (no surprise there)
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:o ??? :-[ :'( :( :) :D 8)
Its called emotional rescue.
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In answer to the question.
I feel sick.
Crying out loud Nev and everyone else blartin into their beer, get over it. We have a new manager of OUR club who needs our support, all of us. Hundreds of pages of negative talk have to end here, we must get behind the guy. UTV.
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I think it could well be an inspired decision. Looking forward to the talking stopping and the football starting.
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I actually feel quite sick to be honest.
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I actually feel quite sick to be honest.
Try some Alka Seltza. Works for me.
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Nice to have a manager that really really wants to be at Villa and looks to be very proud to say he's Aston Villa Manager.
When MON was in charge, Aston Villa was always preceded with the words MON's Aston Villa.
Houllier's nostalgia for his time at Liverpool was disrespectful and tactless.
So, I'm looking forward to see what McLeish can bring to Villa. It could be a long and successful relationship.
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Gutted
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Nice to have a manager that really really wants to be at Villa and looks to be very proud to say he's Aston Villa Manager.
When MON was in charge, Aston Villa was always preceded with the words MON's Aston Villa.
Houllier's nostalgia for his time at Liverpool was disrespectful and tactless.
So, I'm looking forward to see what McLeish can bring to Villa. It could be a long and successful relationship.
Not a fan of this appointment however I agree with your sentiment.