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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2025, 12:43:37 PM
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Noise getting louder around Harvey Elliott now. Loan with an obligation to buy. Being reported by Townley, Ornstein. I’ll be very happy with this.
https://x.com/johntownley11/status/1962481050371641534?s=46
https://x.com/david_ornstein/status/1962479189233111279?s=46
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Noise getting louder around Harvey Elliott now. Loan with an obligation to buy. Being reported by Townley, Ornstein. I’ll be very happy with this.
https://x.com/johntownley11/status/1962481050371641534?s=46
https://x.com/david_ornstein/status/1962479189233111279?s=46
I agree - defo Emery type of player.
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Seems interesting and gives us attacking options in the team and, one way or another, on the bench, which we were crying out for yesterday.
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Seems interesting and gives us attacking options in the team and, one way or another, on the bench, which we were crying out for yesterday.
We need to insert some kind of haircut clause though.
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Seems interesting and gives us attacking options in the team and, one way or another, on the bench, which we were crying out for yesterday.
We need to insert some kind of haircut clause though.
Agreed.
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I'd have expected him to end up at somewhere like Fulham or Palace. Why are people excited (help me feel less underwhelmed!)?
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This is much more like it.
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Seems interesting and gives us attacking options in the team and, one way or another, on the bench, which we were crying out for yesterday.
We need to insert some kind of haircut clause though.
That is frigging regionalist - what other hairstyle do you expect a bonafide Scouser to have. Would you done the same to Rudi Voeller back in the day?
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I'd have expected him to end up at somewhere like Fulham or Palace. Why are people excited (help me feel less underwhelmed!)?
We have a great manager , this is our first proper bump he knows what he is doing
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Yes.
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I'd have expected him to end up at somewhere like Fulham or Palace. Why are people excited (help me feel less underwhelmed!)?
At the recent U21 Euros he was outstanding and deservedly player of the tournament.
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Yes given our predictament, I am happy with this.
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He's not a Scouser. Grew up in West London. So maybe he was just trying to fit in.
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I fucking weep we've effectively swapped JJ for him.
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I'd have expected him to end up at somewhere like Fulham or Palace. Why are people excited (help me feel less underwhelmed!)?
Maybe partly because of this from Wiki:
“On 28 June 2025, Elliott played in the 2025 UEFA European Under-21 Championship final, scoring England's opening goal against Germany in a 3–2 victory. Elliott was named Player of the Tournament, having scored five goals in the tournament.”
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I like him and would be happy with this if it's a sensible deal.
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Yea good signing if it comes off.
Maybe begs the question what happens to Malen over coming months.
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He's not a Scouser. Grew up in West London. So maybe he was just trying to fit in.
Blimey sounds quite posh.
Fair enough. I retract - the haircut has to go if he leaves Liverpool
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Hard working and with a bit of guile. Plus knows where the goal is. I like this signing a lot. Reminds me a bit of a younger McGinn.
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I'd have expected him to end up at somewhere like Fulham or Palace. Why are people excited (help me feel less underwhelmed!)?
Maybe partly because of this from Wiki:
“On 28 June 2025, Elliott played in the 2025 UEFA European Under-21 Championship final, scoring England's opening goal against Germany in a 3–2 victory. Elliott was named Player of the Tournament, having scored five goals in the tournament.”
Well that is a bit reassuring. He's looked average when I've seen him play for Liverpool, but is young so maybe I'm being too miserable.
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I'd have expected him to end up at somewhere like Fulham or Palace. Why are people excited (help me feel less underwhelmed!)?
Bad examples. Fulham and Palace generally buy very decent players.
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Better than Sancho at least.
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Decent move.
However, once more, TV has effectively called it off by going too soon.
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Not a terrible signing. Fairly happy with this one, in fact.
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He's not a Scouser. Grew up in West London. So maybe he was just trying to fit in.
Blimey sounds quite posh.
Anyone that has lived in West London is definitely middle class. Probably votes Tory as well.
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Stop it.
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Need this with Asensio going to Fenerbache.
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Much more positive about this than Sancho.
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World Cup year, might help with the the motivation factor for Elliott and Sancho
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Another cast off
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Another cast off
Do you think we should be buying Liverpool’s best players?
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This would be a good signing. Can play a few positions. Holds a resale value if he does well for 2 or 3 years. No brainer.
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Another cast off
Do you think we should be buying Liverpool’s best players?
We should bid for Isak
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Another cast off
Do you think we should be buying Liverpool’s best players?
Yes.
Ask me another.
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Another cast off
He isn’t though is he. He just can’t get into a Liverpool side that has better options.
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If this comes off then it’s certainly a move in the right direction.
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Palmer and Rogers were cast-offs. And Elliot can be more their level but it depends on where we play him.
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Romano saying it's basically a done deal. Happy enough with this, expected Sancho to be the only outfield arrival today.
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Romano saying it's basically a done deal. Happy enough with this, expected Sancho to be the only outfield arrival today.
Surprised as Toronto started the topic before he signed and we know his track record. Shame you beat him to it with the Sancho thread.
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I started the Sancho one in the hope of jinxing it but you're right, should have left it to the expert. Sorry, everyone.
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Romano saying it's basically a done deal. Happy enough with this, expected Sancho to be the only outfield arrival today.
Surprised as Toronto started the topic before he signed and we know his track record. Shame you beat him to it with the Sancho thread.
Superb track record.
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I started the Sancho one in the hope of jinxing it but you're right, should have left it to the expert. Sorry, everyone.
I got the Joe Bryant deal scuppered. You're welcome
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On the Beeb as well now that he is with us for a medical
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Another cast off
Do you think we should be buying Liverpool’s best players?
Yes.
Ask me another.
Marco Bizot
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I like this lad, shit hair cut aside. He is a gobby little twat bag as well, which I am a big fan of.
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I like this lad, shit hair cut aside. He is a gobby little twat bag as well, which I am a big fan of.
I do get him mixed up with the gravelly voiced Gillette advert singer.
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I like this lad, shit hair cut aside. He is a gobby little twat bag as well, which I am a big fan of.
we're missing a twat-bag in the middle - evident from Will Hughes having it easy last night
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Another cast off
Seriously? This is the one bright spark in an otherwise underwhelming transfer window and you want to piss on our parade? Your comment could be tongue in cheek of course in which case I apologise in advance.
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Another cast off
Yep, should have gone for Salah. Disgraceful from so-called Monchi.
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He’s going going to be another little Lee Hendrie
Which is fine by me
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There’s three Liverpool fans in my footie chat WhatsApp group. They all really rate him. He just needs to move on to get game time. This is a nice bit of business. If he was Spanish he’d be £50m
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I mean just look at the horrible little bugger. Absolutely tremendous work! (https://x.com/natsiobhan_/status/1962483566752809106?t=j6nvcwzjvTLiXtmGHWGxWw&s=19)
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I think this is a good signing. Happy about this
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I mean just look at the horrible little bugger. Absolutely tremendous work! (https://x.com/natsiobhan_/status/1962483566752809106?t=j6nvcwzjvTLiXtmGHWGxWw&s=19)
we need some nastyness
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I mean just look at the horrible little bugger. Absolutely tremendous work! (https://x.com/natsiobhan_/status/1962483566752809106?t=j6nvcwzjvTLiXtmGHWGxWw&s=19)
Proper old school Vickies too. None of this middle finger bollocks.
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I mean just look at the horrible little bugger. Absolutely tremendous work! (https://x.com/natsiobhan_/status/1962483566752809106?t=j6nvcwzjvTLiXtmGHWGxWw&s=19)
Ha ha, my new favourite player.
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Elliot will be a good signing. He was very much an impact sub at Liverpool, and often changed games in their favour. I rate him higher than both Ramsey and Asensio.
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Yes, a good signing.
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I like Elliott, reckon he'll score plenty in an Emery team.
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I like Elliott, reckon he'll score plenty in an Emery team.
Right now, I’d be happy with just one.
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I mean just look at the horrible little bugger. Absolutely tremendous work! (https://x.com/natsiobhan_/status/1962483566752809106?t=j6nvcwzjvTLiXtmGHWGxWw&s=19)
That's the new Newcastle striker as well isn't it?
He couldn't look more German if he was wearing Lederhosen.
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I mean just look at the horrible little bugger. Absolutely tremendous work! (https://x.com/natsiobhan_/status/1962483566752809106?t=j6nvcwzjvTLiXtmGHWGxWw&s=19)
Ok, I’m convinced. Welcome to our new overlord of housery.
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even got a pikey haircut - I'm on board.
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Slow.
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He looks like he should be overcharging for shoddy roofing works.
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Better tactical fit anyway. Take last night, he could easily play where Malen was or where Buendia came on. He's lively and not afraid to take a shot. A better bet than Asensio I think. Not the most athletic of players but he/we can work on that.
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Yeah this is a very good signing only 22 he's only gonna get better.
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Yeah this is a very good signing only 22 he's only gonna get better.
bit of the Ray Houghtons about him
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I mean just look at the horrible little bugger. Absolutely tremendous work! (https://x.com/natsiobhan_/status/1962483566752809106?t=j6nvcwzjvTLiXtmGHWGxWw&s=19)
That's the new Newcastle striker as well isn't it?
He couldn't look more German if he was wearing Lederhosen.
His legs are to thin
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Yeah this is a very good signing only 22 he's only gonna get better.
bit of the Ray Houghtons about him
Bit of Birchy judging by his haircut.
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My cousins a liverpool fan i asked his analysis. Said he is a gifted footballer with excellent technical play. But no pace at all (will fit in well here then)
Said sad to let him go and thinks emery will get best out of him
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Yeah this is a very good signing only 22 he's only gonna get better.
He’s only on loan though
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Yeah this is a very good signing only 22 he's only gonna get better.
He’s only on loan though
I think its obligation to buy so he is ours
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Obligation to buy.
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Yeah this is a very good signing only 22 he's only gonna get better.
He’s only on loan though
isnt there an obligation to buy ?
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No pace? Great...how is his weaker foot?
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Obligation to buy.
35M is an absolute steal. 22 years old, excellent already with bags of potential.
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Not a terrible signing. Fairly happy with this one, in fact.
Not a terrible signing.
Is that where we are now ?
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buy uy uy uy
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My cousins a liverpool fan i asked his analysis. Said he is a gifted footballer with excellent technical play. But no pace at all (will fit in well here then)
Said sad to let him go and thinks emery will get best out of him
Emery isn't even getting the best out of Morgan Rogers right now, so the stock assumption he gets the best out of everyone isn't correct. Onana, Maatsen, Guessand, Malen. We need to start getting some value out of them now, not in 6 or 12 months, time for Emery to prove his reputation for getting the best out of players is still deserved.
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Yeah this is a very good signing only 22 he's only gonna get better.
He’s only on loan though
I think its obligation to buy so he is ours
Ok fair enough
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Elliot is apparently on £40k a week at Liverpool. Any idea how much we will be silly enough to pay him? Surely no more than £60k.
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He'll be on way over £100k a week.
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Kopite at work says he's a really talented player, but his dad is a bit of a gobby one. No real knowledge of this, but I think this is a really good signing.
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Elliot is apparently on £40k a week at Liverpool. Any idea how much we will be silly enough to pay him? Surely no more than £60k.
He's on a £4m a year contract, a little more than £40,000 a week.
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Elliott
Elliott
Harvey Elliott
He’s got shit hair but we don’t care
Harvey Elliott
Sorted.
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I think he is on a fairly low wage (relative to PL football) at Liverpool. Structure of the deal probably allows us to take on a relatively low wage this season to help with the salary-cost-ratio in Europe and then he gets a big sign on fee and wage hike next season when we're obliged to buy him permanently
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Elliot is apparently on £40k a week at Liverpool. Any idea how much we will be silly enough to pay him? Surely no more than £60k.
He's on a £4m a year contract, a little more than £40,000 a week.
£4m is £80 grand a week.
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He's gonna be really, really good. Cracking signing, not a huge wage, and at 22 could be our long term no. 10. Will work great alongside Rogers.
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Elliot is apparently on £40k a week at Liverpool. Any idea how much we will be silly enough to pay him? Surely no more than £60k.
He's on a £4m a year contract, a little more than £40,000 a week.
£4m is £80 grand a week.
Double what I said then, so more.
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He's gonna be really, really good. Cracking signing, not a huge wage, and at 22 could be our long term no. 10. Will work great alongside Rogers.
i think mor McGinn long term signing
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Elliot is apparently on £40k a week at Liverpool. Any idea how much we will be silly enough to pay him? Surely no more than £60k.
He's on a £4m a year contract, a little more than £40,000 a week.
£4m is £80 grand a week.
Double what I said then, so more.
Still good though compared to Malen
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Looks a done deal to me. Liverpool have just spent the Elliot fee on Guehi
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Hard working and with a bit of guile. Plus knows where the goal is. I like this signing a lot. Reminds me a bit of a younger McGinn.
Same here. I've been thinking all summer Elliott could be the long term replacement of McGinn, a player whose characteristics are near impossible to reproduce. Absolutely no problem us taking him on loan to test drive him before parting with big money.
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Fucking Liverpool....Marc Guehi is a steal at £35M. We will pay for that as well if Elliot is any good.
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Guehi only has a year left on his contract.
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Fucking Liverpool....Marc Guehi is a steal at £35M. We will pay for that as well if Elliot is any good.
He'd normally cost more to be fair but only has a year left on his contract.
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Guehi only has a year left on his contract.
They turned down 60m for him from Newcastle not that long ago.
I didn’t even know Monchi worked for Palace as well.
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How many years did Guehi have on his contract?
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How many years did Guehi have on his contract?
Out of contract next summer
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Guehi only has a year left on his contract.
They turned down 60m for him from Newcastle not that long ago.
I didn’t even know Monchi worked for Palace as well.
That decision won them the FA Cup
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Honestly this is type of profile player we should be looking at. The more im thinking about it the more i like this signing. U21 young and a lot to prove. Hopefully in the mould of palmer. This far more sensible than a expensive aging player like asensio
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This hasn’t gone down well with Glasner. Reckons he had an agreement with parish he wouldn’t be sold without a replacement.
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This hasn’t gone down well with Glasner. Reckons he had an agreement with parish he wouldn’t be sold without a replacement.
But they do. Jaydee canvot
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Honestly this is type of profile player we should be looking at. The more im thinking about it the more i like this signing. U21 young and a lot to prove. Hopefully in the mould of palmer. This far more sensible than a expensive aging player like asensio
Agreed - good players on the fringe of the very biggest clubs. We can offer them much more football and the chance to make the most of their talents.
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This hasn’t gone down well with Glasner. Reckons he had an agreement with parish he wouldn’t be sold without a replacement.
Hopefully manager gets poached soon and they can fuck off back to the abyss of South London
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This hasn’t gone down well with Glasner. Reckons he had an agreement with parish he wouldn’t be sold without a replacement.
Hopefully manager gets poached soon and they can fuck off back to the abyss of South London
I’d love Glasner to go to United. Then we combine two curses into one.
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There's a vacancy at Leverkusen...
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Arsenal when legohead gets the boot.
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Arsenal when legohead gets the boot.
I can't wait for this to happen - he's the aids of football managers
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Happier with this than I think I usually would be, due to the absolute shit show the rest of the window has been.
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Elliot is apparently on £40k a week at Liverpool. Any idea how much we will be silly enough to pay him? Surely no more than £60k.
He's on a £4m a year contract, a little more than £40,000 a week.
I haven't seen aynthing that suggests he's on £80k a week. Do you have a link?
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he's on £40k p/w according to a few sites I checked.
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If this one does go through I think it’s pretty exciting.
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Would you take Ollie over Unai? He beats him every time.
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Do we think elliots a upgrade on ramsey?
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Another cast off
Liverpool didn’t want him to go, but he wanted more opportunities to play instead of being a bit part player
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Another cast off
Liverpool didn’t want him to go, but he wanted more opportunities to play instead of being a bit part player
Which in itself is a sign of good character.
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Do we think elliots a upgrade on ramsey?
On a par I would say.
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Do we think elliots a upgrade on ramsey?
On a par I would say.
Yes I'd agree, which seems rather pointless, other than to satisfy the beancounters at UEFA
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If he's as good as Ramsey, can, fingers-crossed, stay fit more regularly and has cost £5 million less, then that would have to be considered a good deal. Also, having an ex-Liverpool player in against Everton does at least partially counter the Grealish "bound to score" factor.
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Do we think elliots a upgrade on ramsey?
He's done more in the last two years anyway.
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Do we think elliots a upgrade on ramsey?
On a par I would say.
If his fitness record is better than ramseys then i am happy with that chris!
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Just needs to get rid of that shite, chavvy haircut and it's a yes from me.
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Yes, do we have any hairstylists on H&V that could advise him on the spaghetti junction residing on his bonce?
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Can someone remind me what is his preferred position?
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Can someone remind me what is his preferred position?
I don't know him that well.
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Can someone remind me what is his preferred position?
I don't know him that well.
Lolz
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Good potential and for his age he’s got some real experience. Happy with this one.
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Can he help the curls or does he sit in the salon for a few hours being permed. My brother didn’t that in the 80’s, him and his mate.
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Can someone remind me what is his preferred position?
I don't know him that well.
Lolz
I’d still like to know though 😁
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I'd have expected him to end up at somewhere like Fulham or Palace. Why are people excited (help me feel less underwhelmed!)?
18th December 2019 Villa v Liverpool Carabao Cup QF. We won 5-0 but a 16-year old Elliott was the best player on the pitch that night. His close control and dribbling was a joy to watch. For me a very good signing and we have been crying out for a similar player so far this season.
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I think he adds quite a lot to our attack. I’m not thrilled with the other two signings, will obviously give them a chance, but Elliott is a real talent and a great age profile too.
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Can someone remind me what is his preferred position?
Wiki - so it must be true
Harvey Daniel James Elliott (born 4 April 2003) is an English professional footballer who plays as an attacking midfielder or right winger for Premier League club Liverpool.*
Having come up through Fulham's academy, Elliott made his first-team debut in September 2018, becoming the youngest player to play in the EFL Cup, aged 15 years and 174 days.
* there’s a note on the page saying he’s the subject of transfer negotiations as we read this!
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Seems like a proper signing finally, good age and has excellent pedigree
Coming off the back off a very good U21 campaign with England too
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Can someone remind me what is his preferred position?
I don't know him that well.
Lolz
I’d still like to know though 😁
According to a Dec. 2023 interview he did for LFC TV, it's Reverse Cowgirl.
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Not yet confirmed though.
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Can someone tell me what happens in this scenario if elliot has a serious injury and doesnt play for us do we still have to buy him?
Not that im advocating for this at all just so i know the process if this were to happen
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Essentially he plays in the Salah role (which is why he doesn't get the game time) or just right of midfield. When they were being blitzed by PSG at their place he was playing Right Back (no wonder Emery wants him) for the last few mins he was on and got the goal in stoppage time.
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Essentially he plays in the Salah role (which is why he doesn't get the game time) or just right of midfield. When they were being blitzed by PSG at their place he was playing Right Back (no wonder Emery wants him) for the last few mins he was on and got the goal in stoppage time.
Harvey, this is Cash, Cash this is Harvey, Cash please try and find him.
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Essentially he plays in the Salah role (which is why he doesn't get the game time) or just right of midfield. When they were being blitzed by PSG at their place he was playing Right Back (no wonder Emery wants him) for the last few mins he was on and got the goal in stoppage time.
Harvey, this is Cash, Cash this is Harvey, Cash please try and find him.
Harvey can be quite difficult to see, to be fair.
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Can someone remind me what is his preferred position?
I don't know him that well.
Lolz
I’d still like to know though 😁
According to a Dec. 2023 interview he did for LFC TV, it's Reverse Cowgirl.
Wow! That's mine too!
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Can someone remind me what is his preferred position?
I don't know him that well.
Lolz
I’d still like to know though 😁
According to a Dec. 2023 interview he did for LFC TV, it's Reverse Cowgirl.
Wow! That's mine too!
I'm a big fan of African Reverser Cowgirl.
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So did we actually get him or not?
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We fucking better have.
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I've just not seen anything confirming it. He is not on our list of 'ins' on any of the TDD summary's at the moment.
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So did we actually get him or not?
Sky sports says sheets gone in for him nothing about sancho though
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Damn, some of you are difficult to please. This is a transfer (fingers crossed it happened) that I think is difficult to pick holes with.
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Elliot and Sancho are both on a big "deals yet to be announced" graphic along with the likes of Isak, Guehi, Jackson and Donnarumma.
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Elliot and Sancho are both on a big "deals yet to be announced" graphic along with the likes of Isak, Guehi, Jackson and Donnarumma.
Im its just to drag this sky transfer programme out as long as possible
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Some Elliott highlights while we wait for the deal to be confirmed. He’s very good.
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That assist for Cavalho was disgusting!
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The music's always so good in those videos.
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The music's always so good in those videos.
Might put it as my first dance should I ever get married again.
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Anyone else notice that in those highlights there are always 4 or 5 red shirts in the box waiting for his pass. He won’t find that at Villa
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Why not?
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To be fair this is make or break for him. He was no where near the England squad for next weeks internationals and if he’s serious about his England intentions he now has a chance to prove it
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Make or break is a bit extreme. He’s definitely on the rise, it just happens Liverpool have bought an astonishing amount of attacking talent.
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Talksport have it on their ticker that the deal is done and the fee at the end is only £25M. That would be superb if true or they have a typo and it’s £35M as previously reported.
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Why not?
We don’t play in red😉
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Why not?
We don’t play in red😉
I mean, we do!
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Done. Welcome, Harvey. Be ace.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2025/september/01/villa-announce-harvey-elliott-deal/
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Dead pleased with this one.
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I likey this one.
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DONE DEAL: Villa sign Liverpool's Elliott
published at 22:01 British Summer Time
22:01 BST
Breaking
Aston Villa have signed Liverpool midfielder Harvey Elliott on loan - with an obligation to buy conditional on appearances.
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Welcome Harvey.
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This is a great signing, could be a masterstroke.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GzydhmRWoAArO4b?format=jpg&name=small)
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This has just about salvaged the window. The important thing is that Ollie, Morgan and others will see this and be pleased. The club needed a lift.
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Welcome harvey! This is one i am looking forward to.
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Great news. Rate him highly.
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I note - conditional on appearances it becomes permanent so no gurantee. I wonder how many appearances he has to make
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Welcome Harvey, this one is a really good deal.
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Welcome Harvey, be ace & sort your barnet! UTV!
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Yep. This is a good signing and it would have been a pretty depressing final day without it. Intrigued now for Everton.
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Best position is a 10??
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Another buy back clause to speculate over, every window 😂
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Chertsey Boy,Chertsey Boy
Laced up boots and Villa ball
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The kind of nasty bugger you need in a relegation fight.
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I note - conditional on appearances it becomes permanent so no gurantee. I wonder how many appearances he has to make
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https://x.com/j_tanswell/status/1962623057337434301?s=46
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DONE DEAL: Villa sign Liverpool's Elliott
published at 22:01 British Summer Time
22:01 BST
Breaking
Aston Villa have signed Liverpool midfielder Harvey Elliott on loan - with an obligation to buy conditional on appearances.
Unai will have to play him If he wants him and not leave him on the bench for 8 mths .
good signing . welcome Harv . .
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We’ve now got two players for each position. That arguably looks better.
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Conditional on appearances means he has to get a haircut everyone likes.
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Buy back clause is annoying, but the way of things now.
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Buy back clause is annoying, but the way of things now.
We need him to be good, but not excellent. It’s so frustrating, but on deadline day and when desperate I suppose
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If there is a clause you'd assume it will be say 50m as we'd be paying 35m, so he's going to have to have a blinding couple of years and they go backwards for it to be triggered.
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I note - conditional on appearances it becomes permanent so no gurantee. I wonder how many appearances he has to make
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https://x.com/j_tanswell/status/1962623057337434301?s=46
Thanks mate thats helpful
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Pleased with this, he's a very promising young player.
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Conditional on appearances means he has to get a haircut everyone likes.
I laughed at this probably more than I should.
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If there is a clause you'd assume it will be say 50m as we'd be paying 35m, so he's going to have to have a blinding couple of years and they go backwards for it to be triggered.
Who knows how much it’ll be. I agree he’ll have to be bloody good though. Just wish we’d stop having to sign players with strings attached.
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Well it will be more than we paid, and we insert them as well.
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If there is a clause you'd assume it will be say 50m as we'd be paying 35m, so he's going to have to have a blinding couple of years and they go backwards for it to be triggered.
Who knows how much it’ll be. I agree he’ll have to be bloody good though. Just wish we’d stop having to sign players with strings attached.
That's just his haircut, mate.
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Pleased with this one. I think he will do well
( in my professional footballing brain lol)
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He is probably the one obvious upgrade for me of the windows as I think he is better than JJ. Actually excited by this and no shame that he can't dislodge Salah from the Kopites. Him wide right and cutting in on his left will give us fire power.
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For me he takes over in midfield from SJM. Sancho down the left. Rogers in the middle. Tielemans and Kamara (when fit). Backed up by SJM, Onana, the lesser spotted Barkley (if ever fit).
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You have to think if Elliott, Sancho, Rogers and Watkins can click as a front four, then it's going to get a LOT of media attention in a World Cup year. How many Premier League sides have been able to field an all-English forward line of that quality?
Hopefully the new boys can get up to speed quickly.
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When I think of Elliot I think tram lines, broke ankle, being substituted if he started and coming on as sub if he didn't. He plays more like what Buendia should of been than McGinn but I'd have him over the likes of Bailey all day and hopefully he'll bring out the best in Rogers again.
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For me he takes over in midfield from SJM. Sancho down the left. Rogers in the middle. Tielemans and Kamara (when fit). Backed up by SJM, Onana, the lesser spotted Barkley (if ever fit).
I bet your shit on Football Manager.
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For me he takes over in midfield from SJM. Sancho down the left. Rogers in the middle. Tielemans and Kamara (when fit). Backed up by SJM, Onana, the lesser spotted Barkley (if ever fit).
I bet your shit on Football Manager.
:) He's still got a 40yr old Cherno Samba playing upfront.
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For me he takes over in midfield from SJM. Sancho down the left. Rogers in the middle. Tielemans and Kamara (when fit). Backed up by SJM, Onana, the lesser spotted Barkley (if ever fit).
I bet your shit on Football Manager.
:) He's still got a 40yr old Cherno Samba playing upfront.
We could certainly use a Tonto Zola Moukokou in our team.
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For me he takes over in midfield from SJM. Sancho down the left. Rogers in the middle. Tielemans and Kamara (when fit). Backed up by SJM, Onana, the lesser spotted Barkley (if ever fit).
I bet your shit on Football Manager.
:) He's still got a 40yr old Cherno Samba playing upfront.
I'm sure I have a 12" vinyl of Cherno Samba. Maybe BV can remind me who it's by? Airto & Flora Purim?
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I imagine he will predominantly play on.the right won't he?
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For me he takes over in midfield from SJM. Sancho down the left. Rogers in the middle. Tielemans and Kamara (when fit). Backed up by SJM, Onana, the lesser spotted Barkley (if ever fit).
I bet your shit on Football Manager.
Nah fucking ace. Like all the liars that play the game I’ve taken a non league team to multiple CL wins. And I even named myself Ruben Amorim just to make the game harder.
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For me he takes over in midfield from SJM. Sancho down the left. Rogers in the middle. Tielemans and Kamara (when fit). Backed up by SJM, Onana, the lesser spotted Barkley (if ever fit).
I bet your shit on Football Manager.
:) He's still got a 40yr old Cherno Samba playing upfront.
That would be way too good. Instead Ross McCormack and Scott Hogan up top.
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For me he takes over in midfield from SJM. Sancho down the left. Rogers in the middle. Tielemans and Kamara (when fit). Backed up by SJM, Onana, the lesser spotted Barkley (if ever fit).
I bet your shit on Football Manager.
Nah fucking ace. Like all the liars that play the game I’ve taken a non league team to multiple CL wins. And I even named myself Ruben Amorim just to make the game harder.
You've been called worse. Should have gone with Ruben Blades. Far cooler.
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I feel this is like a James Milner signing and makes me feel warm and fuzzy.
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A bright ending to a very tough transfer window. Really pleased with this one, I think he’ll improve us and offer some much needed dynamism and variation to our - so far - pretty stale looking attack. 35m for a u21s euros player of the tournament, on the last day of the transfer window is pretty decent value too.
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This is a cracking compilation of his Liverpool goals. He’s scored quite a few for not being a starting option for them. Some real bangers in here. And it doesn’t even speak to his England U21 goals where he has 14 in 28.
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So there is a buy back and sell on clause. 🤦♂️
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So there is a buy back and sell on clause. 🤦♂️
If it in 2 seasons a club like Liverpool are buying him back then he will have done incredibly well for us. Just treat it then like they have paid us to loan him for a couple of seasons. You have to wheel and deal in our situation.
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Very decent signing, and as others have said a bright spot on an otherwise depressing transfer window.
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So there is a buy back and sell on clause. 🤦♂️
The problem is the buy back clause and what is the fee. Then if its not liverpool we pay them a percentage of our profit. Im curious to see what the figures are fir this.
If it in 2 seasons a club like Liverpool are buying him back then he will have done incredibly well for us. Just treat it then like they have paid us to loan him for a couple of seasons. You have to wheel and deal in our situation.
If the buy back is something like 70-80m ill be happy with that. Feels like if he does well he just ends up back there so we did all the developing and leaves us in a hole.
The one positive is we get at least two seasons out of him as he isnt a permanent until the sumemr so they can't activate it until at least summer of 2027.
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He is a very good player, no doubt.
Many Liverpool supporters have posted that they they are sad to see him leave, in the same way that we spoke of JJ's departure.
Let's hope that Unai can do his magic.
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Presumably the buy-back clause is the reason for the lower fee than they were looking for earlier in the window. I’d be surprised if they wanted him back for their squad, but there’s a risk that they might want him back to sell-on for a higher fee.
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So there is a buy back and sell on clause. 🤦♂️
The problem is the buy back clause and what is the fee. Then if its not liverpool we pay them a percentage of our profit. Im curious to see what the figures are fir this.
If it in 2 seasons a club like Liverpool are buying him back then he will have done incredibly well for us. Just treat it then like they have paid us to loan him for a couple of seasons. You have to wheel and deal in our situation.
If the buy back is something like 70-80m ill be happy with that. Feels like if he does well he just ends up back there so we did all the developing and leaves us in a hole.
The one positive is we get at least two seasons out of him as he isnt a permanent until the sumemr so they can't activate it until at least summer of 2027.
I would assume there is no way it’ll be that high.
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Presumably the buy-back clause is the reason for the lower fee than they were looking for earlier in the window. I’d be surprised if they wanted him back for their squad, but there’s a risk that they might want him back to sell-on for a higher fee.
But if he's so good that the scenario above plays out, we just pay them the difference to remove it.
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It will most likely be 50-60m. We aren't going to agree to one that doesn't give us a profit, or at least we shouldn't be doing that.
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Good signing welcome to Aston Villa Harvey.
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Does a buy-back come with any protection for us? ie If the player wants to stay at Villa does he still have to return to his "parent" if they want him at the pre-agreed amount?
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I think buyback kicks in if we want to sell the player. Knowing who it is only likely to kick in if Barca or Real come for him.
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Before we worry about the clauses and Liverpool buying him back, lets see how he works out for us first. Remember some of us were worrying lego hair was going to be poached by Liverpool to be their new manager.....
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Very much not a fan of the buy back clause but I suspect it’s influenced the price we got him for.
I also get the “if Liverpool want him back that’ll mean he’s done very well” etc etc but I also remember the concern around Douglas Luiz, who had done very well, and his buy back clause.
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Does a buy-back come with any protection for us? ie If the player wants to stay at Villa does he still have to return to his "parent" if they want him at the pre-agreed amount?
Yes. All will have been agreed. If they want him back and pay the price, he's theirs. Just like when we re-signed Philogene.
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I think buyback kicks in if we want to sell the player. Knowing who it is only likely to kick in if Barca or Real come for him.
There are several ways they are normally setout. First refusual like we did with Philogene, forced buy-back on certain conditions (Archer) and, as with the Citeh one with Luiz, Liverpool can purchase him back for a set fee for upto 2(?) seasons.
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For all the 'worry' over Luiz nothing came of it. With Elliot being more expensive it makes them buying him back pretty unlikely unless they either go to shit or he's amazing for us. I expect him to be good for us, but not good enough they'll want him in their squad or his value has passed the buyback amount, and they won't go to shit, sadly.
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I was never impressed by him and having spoken to 3 red scouse fans, all said same thing, decent as a sub but can go missing in games, but then can be great, not consistent enough for them. So a bit meh, but let’s see.
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But we have Emery.
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I particularly enjoyed his goal against Palace. More of those please, Harvey
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He spoke very well in his interview on AVTV.
I think this lad will settle in very well and I’m looking forward to seeing him kick on with us.
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I was never impressed by him and having spoken to 3 red scouse fans, all said same thing, decent as a sub but can go missing in games, but then can be great, not consistent enough for them. So a bit meh, but let’s see.
He pretty much only ever played as a sub, because Salah took his main space. The few times he was started was as a number 10 or even on the left.
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I was never impressed by him and having spoken to 3 red scouse fans, all said same thing, decent as a sub but can go missing in games, but then can be great, not consistent enough for them. So a bit meh, but let’s see.
I’ve also spoken to 3 red scousers and they all say the opposite. He’s quality. They love him and are really sorry to see him go. Opinions, I guess.
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Sounds like the Kopites favourable structured the deal to assist us with SCR, which is quite nice of them.
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Yeahe spoke very well i agree. I have good vibes about this one
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Elliott is our new number 9.
As was Steven Ireland.
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Sounds like the Kopites favourable structured the deal to assist us with SCR, which is quite nice of them.
Yeah they have helped us for sure cant criticise them for that although the sell on fee is a nice sweet spot for them
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How did they help us ?
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They offered to make the deal appealing for our SCR because Monchi/Vidagney were too poor at their job to think of asking for it to be a certain way.
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They offered to make the deal appealing for our SCR because Monchi/Vidagney were too poor at their job to think of asking for it to be a certain way.
How on earth do we know this?
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They offered to make the deal appealing for our SCR because Monchi/Vidagney were too poor at their job to think of asking for it to be a certain way.
How on earth do we know this?
Because, in his statement, Damian didn't explicitly praise the role Monchi's negotiating skills played in clinching the Elliott transfer.
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I read it's £65m somewhere but can't find the article.
I'm delighted. I think he and Sancho both have good feet in tight spaces and will suit Unais obsession with playing narrow 10s rather than wingers, but I think Elliot will become a proper crowd favourite.
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The buyback is £65m ? Decent if so.
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How did they help us ?
Because by agreeing to a loan with an obligation to buy next summer, our net spend THIS season remains within the restraints placed upon us by UEFA following our fine. Had we been forced to pay for him this window, we likely would have fallen foul of those restraints, and not been able to buy him at all.
Yes, Livepool have got themselves a buy-back, and a loan fee, but by agreeing to the loan with obligation to buy we basically got the player we wanted, and stayed the right side of our specific UEFA restrictions.
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From the article on the OS, Elliott:
“The only way to do that is to play games and there’s no better place to do that than here, especially with the manager, his philosophy, the way he plays and his trust in younger players.
*raises eyebrow, like in a gif*
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Out of a sublimely dull transfer window, comes one sparkling light, welcome Harvey Elliot to Villa, WE NEED YOU. seriously good player with great stats, best of all he knows where the goal is, he owns that area between the posts, he doesn't think its on top of the stand or any space between each corner flag, which I'm convinced one or two of our front men think that, great shot power, play him from the start, he's only got one gear, flat out, could this be the end of these slow motion meandering starts we have, fingers crossed Uni lets him play his way.
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From the article on the OS, Elliott:
“The only way to do that is to play games and there’s no better place to do that than here, especially with the manager, his philosophy, the way he plays and his trust in younger players.
*raises eyebrow, like in a gif*
*only if he thinks they're good enough.
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One of the most exciting signings we've made for a good few years. Can't wait for Everton, but do worry the likes of Malan are already looking towards their next move.
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From the article on the OS, Elliott:
“The only way to do that is to play games and there’s no better place to do that than here, especially with the manager, his philosophy, the way he plays and his trust in younger players.
*raises eyebrow, like in a gif*
To be fair, pretty much every player Unai has picked has been younger than him. Perhaps that's what they meant.
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Well Rogers is a good example. Bogarde another. Duran didn't do badly for his age...
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Bogarde was dropped like a stone second half of the season. But Elliot could be undroppable like Rogers. He will need to perform really.
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Emery looked genuinely delighted to see him in the video on Instagram when he met him at the training ground. Think he wanted this one over the line.
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I've got a good feeling about this. Elliott and Rogers linking up, Watkins running in front...
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Good interview, seems a very grounded and likeable lad.
Hope he does well, I think he will
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Having walked through Aston Park after the Palace game feeling like I was glad we weren't playing for a fortnight, I'm now looking forward to the next game and disappointed I have to suffer Scotland rather than Villa this week, partly to see how Elliott gets on. I'm the archetypal fickle Villa fans.
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I'm assuming Elliot is too old for U21's now.
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Yep.
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From the article on the OS, Elliott:
“The only way to do that is to play games and there’s no better place to do that than here, especially with the manager, his philosophy, the way he plays and his trust in younger players.
*raises eyebrow, like in a gif*
Tbf, one of his signings has just won PFA Young Player of the Season.
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Emery looked genuinely delighted to see him in the video on Instagram when he met him at the training ground. Think he wanted this one over the line.
I think he's wanted this one all summer.
(He looked delighted in the Malen video too!).
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We were linked with Elliott months ago.
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Just seems like a good fit in many respects - compliments existing options
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I'm looking forward to seeing him play for us great signing.
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We were linked with Elliott months ago.
Yeah, for all the talk of 'panic signings', we were linked to both Elliott and Sancho quite early in the window.
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Has any clue been given on what Liveroool’s but back value is? As the £35m seems a pretty reasonable sum I’m guessing the buy back is quite low too.
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Reported as £65mil by people earlier in the thread.
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We were linked with Elliott months ago.
Yeah, for all the talk of 'panic signings', we were linked to both Elliott and Sancho quite early in the window.
Pretty sure Man U sent out an email and copied in the entire top tier clubs from all continents. Dear sir/madam, we have several formerly great players available , blah blah blah. I reckon anyone could’ve grabbed Sancho on deadline day 😂
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We were probably linked to 348 players during the summer - FootyVillain would probably have the stats if you let him back, so the chances of us ending-up with one or two were pretty high.
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Reported as £65mil by people earlier in the thread.
That’s a decent sum and seems very fair.
To trigger that, he'll have done brilliantly or inflation has gone mad.
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Just watched a video of him meeting UE in the gym, Elliott seems a tactile stripling and enveloped UE in a hug, the latter tried to look like he wasn't appalled and didn't do a very good job of it.
I'm with UE, I think the fashion for hugging non family members has gone too far, and to do it to your boss. Well, really.
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I saw him having a big smoosh with Rogers too.
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A tactile stripping! Great lexicon.
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Can't say I've seen too much of him as I can't really.bring myself to watch Liverpool play, so where is his best position? In the glimpses I have seen of him, he has been playing on the right, which is obviously a position of need for us.
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We've bought a bevvy of right siders. Last season we had Ramsey, Rashford and someone else for the left. Why we can't be balanced is beyond me.
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Can't say I've seen too much of him as I can't really.bring myself to watch Liverpool play, so where is his best position? In the glimpses I have seen of him, he has been playing on the right, which is obviously a position of need for us.
He plays where Salah plays, only he's not as quick/direct, more of a passing/combination style. Nice left foot on him. Slot used him more as a 10
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We've bought a bevvy of right siders. Last season we had Ramsey, Rashford and someone else for the left. Why we can't be balanced is beyond me.
Maatsen, Rogers and Guessand ...
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Watkins will usually drift left rather than right too.
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and Sancho has played on the left as much as on the right, and has a similar goals and assists record regardless of which side he's playing.
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Elliot can play on the right or through the middle, also had a spell playing right side of midfield. A typical Emery versatile player. I think he'll make that right side his own. McG, Rogers and Malen look as though they are happier centrally.
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Can't say I've seen too much of him as I can't really.bring myself to watch Liverpool play, so where is his best position? In the glimpses I have seen of him, he has been playing on the right, which is obviously a position of need for us.
He plays where Salah plays, only he's not as quick/direct, more of a passing/combination style. Nice left foot on him. Slot used him more as a 10
Cheers Ads. Will be interesting to see where he used then as I think wide right and 'number 10' are both positions that need filling, presuming Rogers will play predominantly on the left.
At least we have some options for those positions now though and it will be interesting to see how it all develops.
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Was talking to a Liverpool mate last night. Sorry to see him leave, pleased they had a buyback clause. He reckoned he hasn't got the pace to play as a wide forward and is more suited to an attacking midfield role.
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I don't want to put too much expectation on this, no doubt he'll take time to bed in and get up to his best, but this signing turned the window around for me. To some extent.
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I don't want to put too much expectation on this, no doubt he'll take time to bed in and get up to his best, but this signing turned the window around for me. To some extent.
And me, the spark that might ignite the team.
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Can't say I've seen too much of him as I can't really.bring myself to watch Liverpool play, so where is his best position? In the glimpses I have seen of him, he has been playing on the right, which is obviously a position of need for us.
He plays where Salah plays, only he's not as quick/direct, more of a passing/combination style. Nice left foot on him. Slot used him more as a 10
Cheers Ads. Will be interesting to see where he used then as I think wide right and 'number 10' are both positions that need filling, presuming Rogers will play predominantly on the left.
At least we have some options for those positions now though and it will be interesting to see how it all develops.
I reckon him and Rogers may be given free reign to switch about from the middle to right.
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Harvey Elliott is only likely to play in 9 games between now and the 31st of December.
Here's why:
When a player is signed with a buy obligation and the obligation is triggered by say making a number of appearances, at that point the player’s signing costs (loan fee plus transfer fee) must be included in a club’s accounts going forward.
The amortisation costs of that player signing would be included, pro rata, from that point onwards. It is not something that can be pushed forward until next summer because the deal is considered done from the moment a clause is triggered. Once a deal is certain to be made permanent, clubs must recognise it as such.
Villa will have to include the sums of signing Elliott from the point he plays his 10th game, but given their greatest headache is with UEFA, the European governing body whose assessment period for its ‘squad cost rule’ runs from January to December, it's most likely that his 10th (and triggering) appearance will be after 31st Dec.
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Sancho left, rogers centre, Elliot right.
They can all pretty much swap between themselves. Lacks pace but all have different qualities.
My hunch is SJM will be crowbarred into the three, which is no bad thing and will allow them all to be rotated and kept fresh.
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Harvey Elliott is only likely to play in 9 games between now and the 31st of December.
Here's why:
When a player is signed with a buy obligation and the obligation is triggered by say making a number of appearances, at that point the player’s signing costs (loan fee plus transfer fee) must be included in a club’s accounts going forward.
The amortisation costs of that player signing would be included, pro rata, from that point onwards. It is not something that can be pushed forward until next summer because the deal is considered done from the moment a clause is triggered. Once a deal is certain to be made permanent, clubs must recognise it as such.
Villa will have to include the sums of signing Elliott from the point he plays his 10th game, but given their greatest headache is with UEFA, the European governing body whose assessment period for its ‘squad cost rule’ runs from January to December, it's most likely that his 10th (and triggering) apeaeancd will be after 31st Dec.
Bloody hell, how many more rules can PL and UEFA have to stitch us up?
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Harvey Elliott is only likely to play in 9 games between now and the 31st of December.
Here's why:
When a player is signed with a buy obligation and the obligation is triggered by say making a number of appearances, at that point the player’s signing costs (loan fee plus transfer fee) must be included in a club’s accounts going forward.
The amortisation costs of that player signing would be included, pro rata, from that point onwards. It is not something that can be pushed forward until next summer because the deal is considered done from the moment a clause is triggered. Once a deal is certain to be made permanent, clubs must recognise it as such.
Villa will have to include the sums of signing Elliott from the point he plays his 10th game, but given their greatest headache is with UEFA, the European governing body whose assessment period for its ‘squad cost rule’ runs from January to December, it's most likely that his 10th (and triggering) apeaeancd will be after 31st Dec.
Bloody hell, how many more rules can PL and UEFA have to stitch us up?
Couldn't...couldn't we have just upped the number of games?????
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Harvey Elliott is only likely to play in 9 games between now and the 31st of December.
Here's why:
When a player is signed with a buy obligation and the obligation is triggered by say making a number of appearances, at that point the player’s signing costs (loan fee plus transfer fee) must be included in a club’s accounts going forward.
The amortisation costs of that player signing would be included, pro rata, from that point onwards. It is not something that can be pushed forward until next summer because the deal is considered done from the moment a clause is triggered. Once a deal is certain to be made permanent, clubs must recognise it as such.
Villa will have to include the sums of signing Elliott from the point he plays his 10th game, but given their greatest headache is with UEFA, the European governing body whose assessment period for its ‘squad cost rule’ runs from January to December, it's most likely that his 10th (and triggering) apeaeancd will be after 31st Dec.
Bloody hell, how many more rules can PL and UEFA have to stitch us up?
Couldn't...couldn't we have just upped the number of games?????
I did wonder that myself, perhaps if we'd done so the deal might have been priced differently - to the extent that it didn't go through?
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Just imagine the conversation...
HE - "I want to leave Liverpool so that I can get regular football and further my career."
US - "We really want to sign you but we'll only be able to play you in 9 games before the New Year. Is that alright?"
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I'm really getting fed up with this now. It just feels like there's one rule after another designed ostensibly to bar financial doping, but in reality cementing the dominance of the biggest and wealthiest clubs. After my Sky Sports deal runs out at the end of the season, I'm starting to wonder if I'll want to continue following the game in all but a distant 'in the news' way
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Is there actually any basis to that? Or is it assumed?
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Is there actually any basis to that? Or is it assumed?
I doubt that it's 100% accurate. What if we've got a clause in there like Chelsea did with Sancho, and can hand him back for £5m next summer? What if the 10 games thing is only PART of the clause? What if it's 10 premier league games, not 10 games in total.
I can't imagine for one moment that the club would sign him, structuring a deal that makes it permanent NEXT summer, knowing if he plays 10 games before Xmas it doesn't help us with PSR anyway?
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I dont think playing ten games will trigger the clause immediately, it just means we are obligated to pay the £35m one the loan contract is over, so next summer.
The ten games is a weirdly low number unless Emery completely snubs him.
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I dont think playing ten games will trigger the clause immediately, it just means we are obligated to pay the £35m one the loan contract is over, so next summer.
The ten games is a weirdly low number unless Emery completely snubs him.
Indeed, and it would be very strange if PSR rules allow you to sign players on your books as a permanent signing "outside" of a transfer window. He's not signed for us until next summer if the conditions are met. He's a loan player until next summer. If he wasn't, we'd be playing him against Liverpool!
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Sadd has got that from the Athletic. How true it is is down to how well they have interpreted rules. Seems weird to me for us to fall into such a trap and I have never seen anything like that being interpreted before, but then how often is the obligation so low.
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Might have some idea of whether it's true a week on Tuesday. Surely no chance we would use one of his ten games in the League Cup, if so.
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I don’t think we’d play him in that either way.
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Is it really from The Athletic? Is there a link to the article?
I mean that sounds pretty mad. I suppose it could be feasible if it’s 10 league starts for example… but even still, seems pretty crazy.
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17 league games before the new year. If Unai thinks he's not match fit he'd probably get his first start in the cup against Brentford, that leaves 16 games...
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Is it really from The Athletic? Is there a link to the article?
I mean that sounds pretty mad. I suppose it could be feasible if it’s 10 league starts for example… but even still, seems pretty crazy.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6601467/2025/09/07/harvey-elliott-loan-obligation-transfer-explained/
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Would the player have wanted to agree to that? Sounds bogus.
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Good work rate during his cameo. A bit rusty with some touches and passes, but that’ll come. If he can show a bit of class on the ball, he might be a good upgrade on Buendia.
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One thing I liked from him today, instead of passing to the centre back to pass it out wide, he passed it out wide himself, missing out the middle man. A small thing maybe but when you're as slow as us in the build up, ever second saved helps.
Not sure what his instructions were though, one minute he playing centrally, the next he's glued to the wing completely isolated. Maybe Moyes had a word with him.
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Don't get why he never started to be honest.
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Was at the game, so didn't see or hear anything about why he came off at half-time. Thought he looked lively in the first half.
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My impression of Unai is that if a player doesn’t have particularly remarkable physicality - be that pace, strength, or both, he likes to bed them in gradually. I think Elliott will be important it’ll just take a bit of time.
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My impression of Unai is that if a player doesn’t have particularly remarkable physicality - be that pace, strength, or both, he likes to bed them in gradually. I think Elliott will be important it’ll just take a bit of time.
Just thought it was strange that he went off at half-time as I didn't think he was doing badly. Would still like to see him on the right though.
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Tidy first half - you could see he isn't fit enough yet.
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All the media shite-talk about why he and Sancho aren't involved. Cool your frickin' jets, they're being integrated and will get a run in the team before long.
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Another reason why Monchi was moved aside, if Unai takes ages to integrate players then why present him with 75% of your Summer signings on deadline day.
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Tidy first half - you could see he isn't fit enough yet.
The last corner of the first half he signalled toward the bench. I assumed when Buendia came on he’d taken a knock.
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No Elliot again. More smoke for the clause issue. TBH, as Monchi would have agreed to that condition then you wonder if that was a final nail, ie we have a player on loan we are struggling to play for the first half of the year due to pay conditions taking us over the rules.
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For the money we are paying, both our loans have been underwhelming so far.
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I’d forgotten about him, same as Emery by the looks of it.!!
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The div commentating on 5LiveXtra kept on goading Emery for not bringing him on. Classic twenty-something Sky-Six obsessed starfvcker where a Liverpool fringe player should be one of Villa's key starters.
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If we look back to how long it took for Tielemans to adapt I think it’s a bit soon to be worrying about Elliott.
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When you own a player, it’s fine to let them bed in. But loans… compare the impact of these pair compared to our last two. Another reason for Monchi’s exit?
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When you own a player, it’s fine to let them bed in. But loans… compare the impact of these pair compared to our last two. Another reason for Monchi’s exit?
This isn't a loan, it's a signing that we wanted to shift into next years accounts.
Sancho is ill, just as he'd started to have an impact.
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Isn't Elliott a perm really though? Liverpool helping us out with the positive net transfer rule that UEFA imposed on us for the summer but effectively a fee has been agreed and he's here for the long haul.
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Feels like a loan with all the stuff about not being able play him more than 10 times and their buyback clause.
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Suprised how little game time he has had last two games to be honest
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Isn't Elliott a perm really though? Liverpool helping us out with the positive net transfer rule that UEFA imposed on us for the summer but effectively a fee has been agreed and he's here for the long haul.
I think he's just naturally curly.
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I imagine the bar is higher for Elliot. He’d normally be part if he usual rotation if just a loan. However we’re obligated to buy him after X, games so we are hopefully test driving him properly before we commit most of next summers’ transfer budget
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That 10 games thing is nonsense. Why on earth would we agree to that? It’s just internet blather that people have stated to believe.
And re the buyback clause, I don’t remember anyone saying Douglas Luiz wasn’t really our player because there was a buy back clause.
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Yup it’s clearly bollocks. I think it’s probably just a case of taking a bit of time to adapt to Unai’s approach. He’s obviously very talented and he’ll be a big asset.
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That 10 games thing is nonsense. Why on earth would we agree to that? It’s just internet blather that people have stated to believe.
And re the buyback clause, I don’t remember anyone saying Douglas Luiz wasn’t really our player because there was a buy back clause.
I bet Tim did.
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He's only on loan as it helps us financially to sign him next summer, so it's obvious we want him permanently.
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The 10 game thing is in reports from the athletic so it's not just Internet rumours. In a way it does get around the issue of registering players for the europa league as we would be compliant at the time of registration.
That said apparently the transfer amount starts to count towards this season's calculations once the obligation to buy conditions have been satisfied.
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I’m beginning to think Emery had absolutely no input in his loan/signing whatsoever and it was all on Monchi. Onana, Barkley and Maartsen coming on before him must really make him wonder why he bothered.
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Or maybe, like most of our signings, Rogers aside, it takes them a little bit of time to settle in. In fact Elliott has even explained this in an interview recently.
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Or maybe, like most of our signings, Rogers aside, it takes them a little bit of time to settle in. In fact Elliott has even explained this in an interview recently.
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Fair comment, but why bother bringing someone in and hardly using them?
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It’s only seven games into a season.
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I’m beginning to think Emery had absolutely no input in his loan/signing whatsoever and it was all on Monchi. Onana, Barkley and Maartsen coming on before him must really make him wonder why he bothered.
Barkley in particular coming on in the position he plays must have been a real kick in the spuds.
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As soon as he let's those curls blossom on his bonce again, he'll be back in.
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He’s getting the tough love treatment right now (ask Tielemans) but he’ll be fine. Good player, Unai wants him to be totally in tune with the system before trusting him.
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I'm sure he'll eventually do a Tielemans, but he's probably wondering why he's swapped not coming off Liverpool's bench for not coming off ours.
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Yeah Unai does do this, but once they’re in they are fully in.
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I don't think Unai wanted him and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he goes back to LFC come Jan, with an agreement being made to cancel the loan. I don't think he'll make the ten games, it was telling that Barkley came on. It may just be one of those things where something just doesn't work out.
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I think it’s way too soon to judge that.
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It's just a feeling, he may well go on to have a fabulous career with us and I'd be chuffed if he did as I rate him, but I'd still not be surprised if he went back to Liverpool in Jan.
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I think Liverpool need him more than us .
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It’s the ten appearance clause.
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I’m beginning to think Emery had absolutely no input in his loan/signing whatsoever and it was all on Monchi. Onana, Barkley and Maartsen coming on before him must really make him wonder why he bothered.
Barkley in particular coming on in the position he plays must have been a real kick in the spuds.
Barkley came on for Onana as part of the mid two.
Elliott is a 10 isn’t he? It’s Buendía who seems to have blossomed ahead of him.