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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: peter w on February 17, 2017, 09:51:08 AM
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Come on then. Someone's going to have take the hit for this one.
Magpies v Lions.
5-0?
3-0?
Actually I think it'll be 1-1 or we'll win 1-2.
No, seriously.
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Terrible record up there even when they are in poor form. 0-3
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I'm going into a total media blackout zone from around 7.30pm until 10pm on Monday. I fear that we will be massacred by them.
However, the undying optimism* that football breeds makes me think that stranger things can and do happen. We will scrape a point.
* yes I know it's early and following the Villa drains you of optimism but there are straws to be clutched at!
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Head says 4-0 to them, and lots of gloating by their supporters.
I feel for any of our supporters going to watch this.
Heart says Bruce will come out fighting, and we could surprise them, and nick a win. Their supporters get even more wound up by us and we come away happy.
Yeah, 4-0 to them.
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Surprise win for us.
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3-0 to them
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We're in good form, got our top goal scorer back, still harbour resentment towards the behaviour of some of your fans. The crowd will be up for this, as will Gayle. Hayden should be back ahead of Colback.
I'm confident Newcastle will win, but don't think we'll have it all our own way as Bruce has something to prove, your players will want to show they can play well in what is essentially a Premier League fixture and you still have decent players.
2-1 to Newcastle.
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We're in good form, got our top goal scorer back, still harbour resentment towards the behaviour of some of your fans. The crowd will be up for this, as will Gayle. Hayden should be back ahead of Colback.
I'm confident Newcastle will win, but don't think we'll have it all our own way as Bruce has something to prove, your players will want to show they can play well in what is essentially a Premier League fixture and you still have decent players.
2-1 to Newcastle.
Aww, did the nasty Villa fans laugh at you?
What is it with stripes and being sad obsessives?
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Just be glad we are not having our weekend spoilt!
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still harbour resentment towards the behaviour of some of your fans.
Embarrasing, I thought you Geordies were big hard fellas?
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8 years on and they are still stropping like a bunch of teenage girls.
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We're in good form, got our top goal scorer back, still harbour resentment towards the behaviour of some of your fans. The crowd will be up for this, as will Gayle. Hayden should be back ahead of Colback.
I'm confident Newcastle will win, but don't think we'll have it all our own way as Bruce has something to prove, your players will want to show they can play well in what is essentially a Premier League fixture and you still have decent players.
2-1 to Newcastle.
Let's be honest here. Whoever sent Newcastle down in 08/09 was always going to have a laugh. It just happened to be us.
Also last year, we expected to be well beaten by you lot at Villa Park as we were shite. The fact you didn't, coupled with Sunderland beating Chelsea, meant we got to laugh again.
It's nothing personal, it's just the fixture computer gave us a giggle.
As for the game, 2-0 to Newcastle. As easy a home win as Newcastle will have all season.
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Please, I need to know what the 2 voters who have us down as a win are on!!!!Have you been watching the same Villa as me the last 8 matches? However, I really hope you are right as someone is due an absolute thrashing soon.
Bearing all that in mind I'll go Mags to win 3-0
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I can't see us getting anything I reckon 3-0 to the barcodes.
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who reckons we'll start with intent, go a goal down and yes, preston Ipswich Barnsley. I shant be watching.
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will be a car crash. They will laugh at us. Definitely not going to watch this.
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We'll get hammered I'm afraid. 3-0.
Jawdees still carrying on like hormonal schoolgirls I see. Clowns.
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Easy home win 2-0.
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We're gonna die up there.
But, I truly hope the shirtless ones have come up with a better riposte than their last slice of devastating repartee. "Glum in the Brum" was it? My sides still hurt.
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Their "Whos the clowns now" attempt at Villa Park from last season as they pretty much confirmed their relegation with us was brilliant.
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Will I watch it? Definitely
Will I keep turning over during game because we're under the cosh? Definitely
Will I keep refreshing the match thread on here to see who's saying what? Definitely
Will my wife start a conversation about something irrelevant during the game? Definitely
Will we win? Probably not.......but in my head its saying "you might win, you never know this might be the turning point"
Do I think about the Villa too much? Definitely, ask the wife.
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A surprise draw?
Seeing as they scored away to Norwich (who play like a team, without a lot of money) in the 1st minute, if we do get a point, it will be a shock.
Here's hoping.....
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I predict a rout.
5-1 to the stottie-gobblers.
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Embarrassing defeat, their fans will take the piss, the match thread will crash....just a standard matchday for Villa these days
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We'll start with hope...but it will end with yet more misery and embarrassment.
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1-0 Villa and a dire game. Serve Sky right.
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I will follow our game whilst cheering Arsenal on at Sutton.
Ordinarily I would favour the non-league side but on the news that they have agreed a one off sponsorship with The S*n, I hope the Gunners fuckin' bury them.
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Aww, did the nasty Villa fans laugh at you?
What is it with stripes and being sad obsessives?
Well, one pretty pathetic individual took time out from painting his Warhammer soldiers to make two banners to celebrate our relegation. Just like no other fan of a team ever done. Joined in ridiculing a relegated side, sure, but going to the effort of making two banners to do that? Aberrant behaviour if you ask me.
Re: obsessives, this is stoked by local media, your papers and ours love to drag it up because it gets clicks/sells papers.
Embarrasing, I thought you Geordies were big hard fellas?
Football fans in holding a grudge shocker. I'm sure Villa fans don't harbour a grudge with players, managers, pundits or teams... right?
Let's be honest here. Whoever sent Newcastle down in 08/09 was always going to have a laugh. It just happened to be us.
Also last year, we expected to be well beaten by you lot at Villa Park as we were shite. The fact you didn't, coupled with Sunderland beating Chelsea, meant we got to laugh again.
It's nothing personal, it's just the fixture computer gave us a giggle.
As for the game, 2-0 to Newcastle. As easy a home win as Newcastle will have all season.
A laugh? Sure, going to the bother of making banners? No.
Outside of local rivals I can't think of any club's fanbase going to the bother of all that childishness.
We relegated Cardiff in 13/14 and after a short burst of "Going Down" we were back to being concerned with the running of our own club. No banners to mock Cardiff, only to protest our owner.
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Fuck me we really touched a nerve didn't we.
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The problem with you lot is you genuinly believed all that "Everybodies 2nd favourite club" media bollocks, you take yourselves way to seriously. 8 years on and you're still crying over a fucking banner.
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Us nil, them eleventy.
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Aww, did the nasty Villa fans laugh at you?
What is it with stripes and being sad obsessives?
Well, one pretty pathetic individual took time out from painting his Warhammer soldiers to make two banners to celebrate our relegation. Just like no other fan of a team ever done. Joined in ridiculing a relegated side, sure, but going to the effort of making two banners to do that? Aberrant behaviour if you ask me.
Re: obsessives, this is stoked by local media, your papers and ours love to drag it up because it gets clicks/sells papers.
Embarrasing, I thought you Geordies were big hard fellas?
Football fans in holding a grudge shocker. I'm sure Villa fans don't harbour a grudge with players, managers, pundits or teams... right?
Let's be honest here. Whoever sent Newcastle down in 08/09 was always going to have a laugh. It just happened to be us.
Also last year, we expected to be well beaten by you lot at Villa Park as we were shite. The fact you didn't, coupled with Sunderland beating Chelsea, meant we got to laugh again.
It's nothing personal, it's just the fixture computer gave us a giggle.
As for the game, 2-0 to Newcastle. As easy a home win as Newcastle will have all season.
A laugh? Sure, going to the bother of making banners? No.
Outside of local rivals I can't think of any club's fanbase going to the bother of all that childishness.
We relegated Cardiff in 13/14 and after a short burst of "Going Down" we were back to being concerned with the running of our own club. No banners to mock Cardiff, only to protest our owner.
We just don't like you very much.
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The fact they still whine about it says a lot more about them than it does us.
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Will the Sky cameras focus in on a shirtless, baldy headed,Geordie fat fuck? Of course they will.
Will we earn ourselves zero points through some measure of ineptitude? Of course we will.
3-0.
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Taking time to make banners you say ...
(http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article7918184.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Aston-Villa-v-Newcastle-1.jpg)
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The problem with you lot is you genuinly believed all that "Everybodies 2nd favourite club" media bollocks, you take yourselves way to seriously. 8 years on and you're still crying over a fucking banner.
;D What nonsense. We've not been called "Everyone's 2nd favourite club" since Keegan's reign in the 90's. It's only people who haven't moved on from Sky, talkSport and 606 cliches from 20 years ago, that still reference that utter horseshit.
We fundamentally don't take ourselves too seriously at all, ask the rest of the Championship, they'e been effusive in their praise for us. Though I wouldn't admit to being a Villa fan when asking Brentford as they didn't take too kindly to you from what I've heard.
Every season the enmity is given new life by fans on both sides of the divide, by local papers and by the morons who phone-in and listen to Sky, talkSport and 606. 8 years isn't that long in football. Only 8 years ago you were qualifying for the Europa League by finishing 6th in the top flight.
We just don't like you very much.
To be honest, until the banner, you didn't really appear on our RADAR. Not that you weren't a famous old club, or rivals for our ambitions in the top half, just that you didn't elicit much of a response. Not in the same way the other big clubs did.
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Taking time to make banners you say ...
(http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article7918184.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Aston-Villa-v-Newcastle-1.jpg)
... you realise of course that was in response to the banners you brought, right? So I'm not sure it makes the point you hoped it would.
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To the fish out of water...
Sad, obsessive, self-absorbed and humourless seems to sum you and your fellow "town" supporters up.... qualities epitomised perfectly by that wannabee jordi, fat boy quinn.
As for the game, based on current form I can't see us getting a result but I would love it, love it if we beat them. Sh-t, there I go again, taking the p-ss out of the jordi's!
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Taking time to make banners you say ...
(http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article7918184.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Aston-Villa-v-Newcastle-1.jpg)
... you realise of course that was in response to the banners you brought, right? So I'm not sure it makes the point you hoped it would.
If we pinky promise not to care enough to visit your site is there any possibility you'd fuck off from ours? Thanks.
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Aww, did the nasty Villa fans laugh at you?
What is it with stripes and being sad obsessives?
Well, one pretty pathetic individual took time out from painting his Warhammer soldiers to make two banners to celebrate our relegation. Just like no other fan of a team ever done. Joined in ridiculing a relegated side, sure, but going to the effort of making two banners to do that? Aberrant behaviour if you ask me.
Re: obsessives, this is stoked by local media, your papers and ours love to drag it up because it gets clicks/sells papers.
Embarrasing, I thought you Geordies were big hard fellas?
Football fans in holding a grudge shocker. I'm sure Villa fans don't harbour a grudge with players, managers, pundits or teams... right?
Let's be honest here. Whoever sent Newcastle down in 08/09 was always going to have a laugh. It just happened to be us.
Also last year, we expected to be well beaten by you lot at Villa Park as we were shite. The fact you didn't, coupled with Sunderland beating Chelsea, meant we got to laugh again.
It's nothing personal, it's just the fixture computer gave us a giggle.
As for the game, 2-0 to Newcastle. As easy a home win as Newcastle will have all season.
A laugh? Sure, going to the bother of making banners? No.
Outside of local rivals I can't think of any club's fanbase going to the bother of all that childishness.
We relegated Cardiff in 13/14 and after a short burst of "Going Down" we were back to being concerned with the running of our own club. No banners to mock Cardiff, only to protest our owner.
Maybe if you weren't so far up your own Everybody's Favourite Club/Bestest Supporters in the World arses nobody would have been all that bothered. Maybe if you didn't keep dragging it up, all this would have been long forgotten. Maybe.
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It's my birthday on Monday - don't spoil it for me, Villa!
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Maybe if you weren't so far up your own Everybody's Favourite Club/Bestest Supporters in the World arses nobody would have been all that bothered. Maybe if you didn't keep dragging it up, all this would have been long forgotten. Maybe.
Well, apart from the fact that your fellow Villa fans bring it up, your local papers bring it up and your twitter hardmen bring it up.
Apart from them, maybe it would have been forgotten. Maybe. ;)
p.s. that "everyone's 2nd favourite club" wasn't invented by us, or accepted by us, it was invented by Sky and seems to persist purely because it rankles with fans of clubs like Aston Villa. None of us much give a shit.
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Nobody mentioned it in here until you graced us with your presence and brought it up.
What the fuck is a twitter hard man?
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Maybe if you weren't so far up your own Everybody's Favourite Club/Bestest Supporters in the World arses nobody would have been all that bothered. Maybe if you didn't keep dragging it up, all this would have been long forgotten. Maybe.
Well, apart from the fact that your fellow Villa fans bring it up, your local papers bring it up and your twitter hardmen bring it up.
Apart from them, maybe it would have been forgotten. Maybe. ;)
p.s. that "everyone's 2nd favourite club" wasn't invented by us, or accepted by us, it was invented by Sky and seems to persist purely because it rankles with fans of clubs like Aston Villa. None of us much give a shit.
Of course you don't. And of course you don't bring it up. Possibly it's some other grudge you refer to earlier. Either way, if you don't care about us, why are you on here?
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Maybe if you weren't so far up your own Everybody's Favourite Club/Bestest Supporters in the World arses nobody would have been all that bothered. Maybe if you didn't keep dragging it up, all this would have been long forgotten. Maybe.
Well, apart from the fact that your fellow Villa fans bring it up, your local papers bring it up and your twitter hardmen bring it up.
Apart from them, maybe it would have been forgotten. Maybe. ;)
p.s. that "everyone's 2nd favourite club" wasn't invented by us, or accepted by us, it was invented by Sky and seems to persist purely because it rankles with fans of clubs like Aston Villa. None of us much give a shit.
Of course you don't. And of course you don't bring it up. Possibly it's some other grudge you refer to earlier. Either way, if you don't care about us, why are you on here?
I said we didn't care about you. Now, because of one member of your fanbase's oddness the consensus on Tyneside has changed.
I signed up to this site to see your opinions on the Championship, on players, on fixtures, on Bruce, and so on. I would have signed up to Villatalk as well, but they're less welcoming.
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I'm with The Fish. We should never have brought up Ant and Dec. It's made them very angry indeed.
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Maybe if you weren't so far up your own Everybody's Favourite Club/Bestest Supporters in the World arses nobody would have been all that bothered. Maybe if you didn't keep dragging it up, all this would have been long forgotten. Maybe.
Well, apart from the fact that your fellow Villa fans bring it up, your local papers bring it up and your twitter hardmen bring it up.
Apart from them, maybe it would have been forgotten. Maybe. ;)
p.s. that "everyone's 2nd favourite club" wasn't invented by us, or accepted by us, it was invented by Sky and seems to persist purely because it rankles with fans of clubs like Aston Villa. None of us much give a shit.
Of course you don't. And of course you don't bring it up. Possibly it's some other grudge you refer to earlier. Either way, if you don't care about us, why are you on here?
I said we didn't care about you. Now, because of one member of your fanbase's oddness the consensus on Tyneside has changed.
I signed up to this site to see your opinions on the Championship, on players, on fixtures, on Bruce, and so on. I would have signed up to Villatalk as well, but they're less welcoming.
One minute it's us keeping on about it, the next it's you. Either way, why not go somewhere else if you want to tell us what nasty people you are. I can think of a couple of clubs whose fans will love you.
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One minute it's us keeping on about it, the next it's you. Either way, why not go somewhere else if you want to tell us what nasty people you are. I can think of a couple of clubs whose fans will love you.
I'm afraid you've not understood.
There are individuals on both sides that bring it up. I don't want to tell you what nasty people we are, as I don't think we're nasty people.
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I do apologise - I should have said what nasty people we are. It's true, by the way. One lot of your new friends will call us arrogant, the others will say we live in Staffordshire. Both will welcome you with open arms.
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I do apologise - I should have said what nasty people we are. It's true, by the way. One lot of your new friends will call us arrogant, the others will say we live in Staffordshire. Both will welcome you with open arms.
Most message boards have been more than welcoming. Forest and Leeds less so, but the others have been dead canny.
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The point Fish, is that during your relegation the media were still fawning over you, maybe not the fault of the fans clearly, but if you think the rest of the football world didn't laugh at you then then you're misguided. it's always funny when a big club goes down for other club's fans, especially other 'big' clubs so the comparison with Cardiff hardly sits.
Most Villa fans don't care about you either way. The banner taking the piss was funny whatever you think, and that we relegated you made even better. Not that Aston Villa really wanted to relegate their vicious rivals, but were the team that relegated a big club on that day, We've done it to Coventry too so don';t feel all that special. And to be honest we couldn't give a shite about Coventry as much as don't about you, it's just that like last year when you came to Villa Park your fans seem to care too much about what we do so will enjoy your failings.
Anyway, you won't need to worry about us next season so enjoy Monday and the rest of your season. We really won't care about you after Monday until you pipe up about banners again. Chill man.
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Totally need to start playing 4-3-3 for me, and stick with it whatever the outcome. Nothing will improve until we have a system that players start to gel/feel comfortable in IMHO
------------- Johnstone ---------------
--- Bree - Chester - Baker - Taylor ---
--- Lansbury - Jedinak - Hourihane ---
------- Kodjia - Hogan - Green -------
A solid back four with an emphasis on defending first and foremost
A strong middle three with Jedinak marshalling it just behind the other two
Width and pace from Green and Kodjia with Hogan as the striker
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The point Fish, is that during your relegation the media were still fawning over you, maybe not the fault of the fans clearly, but if you think the rest of the football world didn't laugh at you then then you're misguided. it's always funny when a big club goes down for other club's fans, especially other 'big' clubs so the comparison with Cardiff hardly sits.
Most Villa fans don't care about you either way. The banner taking the piss was funny whatever you think, and that we relegated you made even better. Not that Aston Villa really wanted to relegate their vicious rivals, but were the team that relegated a big club on that day, We've done it to Coventry too so don';t feel all that special. And to be honest we couldn't give a shite about Coventry as much as don't about you, it's just that like last year when you came to Villa Park your fans seem to care too much about what we do so will enjoy your failings.
Anyway, you won't need to worry about us next season so enjoy Monday and the rest of your season. We really won't care about you after Monday until you pipe up about banners again. Chill man.
It's a common internet trope to claim the other party is angry, or riled, it's not really true. If you look at my original post in this thread, I gave a prediction and some background. Part of that is the undeniable truth that there remains some resentment towards the behaviour of some of your fans.
Check the replies, instead of replying to the prediction, to the return of Gayle, to anything else, those that have replied to it have focussed on the resentment. There've been claims Villa fans aren't bothered about it, yet there's been defence of the act (any club would have done it), criticism of the reaction and so on. Doesn't take a genius to see that the enmity exists on both sides, where once there was nothing.
Also doesn't help your claim that nobody care, when twitter has a fair number of Villa fans trying to goad Newcastle fans again.
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We'lol loose
This is funny though
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/3aecv6/teams_i_hate_in_the_spotlight_2_newcastle_united/?client=safari
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The Fish makes me regret my Dad buying me a pair of HiTech Mirandinas a few years back.
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You keep mentioning twitter, who gives a fuck about twitter?
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The point Fish, is that during your relegation the media were still fawning over you, maybe not the fault of the fans clearly, but if you think the rest of the football world didn't laugh at you then then you're misguided. it's always funny when a big club goes down for other club's fans, especially other 'big' clubs so the comparison with Cardiff hardly sits.
Most Villa fans don't care about you either way. The banner taking the piss was funny whatever you think, and that we relegated you made even better. Not that Aston Villa really wanted to relegate their vicious rivals, but were the team that relegated a big club on that day, We've done it to Coventry too so don';t feel all that special. And to be honest we couldn't give a shite about Coventry as much as don't about you, it's just that like last year when you came to Villa Park your fans seem to care too much about what we do so will enjoy your failings.
Anyway, you won't need to worry about us next season so enjoy Monday and the rest of your season. We really won't care about you after Monday until you pipe up about banners again. Chill man.
It's a common internet trope to claim the other party is angry, or riled, it's not really true. If you look at my original post in this thread, I gave a prediction and some background. Part of that is the undeniable truth that there remains some resentment towards the behaviour of some of your fans.
Check the replies, instead of replying to the prediction, to the return of Gayle, to anything else, those that have replied to it have focussed on the resentment. There've been claims Villa fans aren't bothered about it, yet there's been defence of the act (any club would have done it), criticism of the reaction and so on. Doesn't take a genius to see that the enmity exists on both sides, where once there was nothing.
Also doesn't help your claim that nobody care, when twitter has a fair number of Villa fans trying to goad Newcastle fans again.
No I agree in the main. But we don't care about Gayle as he doesn't play for us. Play him/ don't play him - irrelevant to us. As for your prediction - why do you want us to reply to that? Its a predictions thread and as you've noticed the vast majority think you'll win. No one has posted any enmity towards other posters thinking you'll win. You probably will because you're currently better than us, it's at home and we're on a terrible run.
Yes, there will be enmity from the tiny minority of Villa fans but for a multitude of reasons. You'll also find many more that probably like Newcastle. I find myself as one of them. I couldn't give a shit about the original banner and thought it was crap if truth be told. But by Christ you have whinged on about it. By constantly bringing it up whenever we play you are allowing the media to whip up something that isn't there.
We, the fans, as you do as do all other fans, will jump to defend the 'honour' of their club. As you have post- banner and as we will when you go on about it because you really want to beat us because of it. But the point from our side of the fence is forget about it. It was a banner and hilarity from our side 8 years ago. If you lot just shrugged it off as typical football fan 'banter' and realised that you were fair game then, and were last season, then this would be parked where it belongs right at the back of the Asda car park with no-one noticing.
But no you can't. Its almost as if you think you should be above being laughed at by a club that just wanted to laugh at a big club going down. It just happened that the big club was you and the club relegating the big club was us.
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I couldn't give a shit about the original banner and thought it was crap if truth be told.
Same as that, Peter W.
Wasn't one of our finest efforts. The reaction to it -even now- is way OTT. I find it hard to square that with my personal experience of meeting or working with Toon fans, who have been sound on the whole. Usually have similar gallows humour to ourselves, and tend to know a fair bit about other clubs. Always easy to talk football with.
The ones that seem determined to keep this going come across as precious wilting wallflowers. Doing themselves no favours, like.
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Who is Gayle? Is it your mammy, you cry baby.
We're rubbish, we'll lose. Toon fans will laugh, we'll get over it.
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I read the Guardian online (do-gooding Leftie that I am) and there's a ridiculous Geordie who rocks up on the Championship comments section on a weekly basis to have a pop at Villa. He goes by the name of Bob Helpful, and every single week he's on there having a pop at our attendances, our shit fans, our joke of a club, blah blah blah, even when we haven't played. Always mentions the banner too.This week he's absolutely seething with hatred, he cannot wait to put us in our place and hopes we go down because our relegation "will make fans across the land very happy". I don't think I've even seen such vitriol from our beloved local rivals, the man is obsessed. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. Just a thought but is it you, Mr Fish, or do you know him? I'm worried you/he might be heading for an ulcer. I'm also worried about your/his wife/partner, whoever the poor sod is. Please heed/pass on my concerns.
We'll probably lose, but I'm sure we'll take it on the chin. I doubt we'll be blubbing about it in seven years time anyway.
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I think Stuart Francis will be my official spokesman when commentating on my rage for THAT NORTHERN SHITHOUSE OF A CLUB.
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No I agree in the main. But we don't care about Gayle as he doesn't play for us. Play him/ don't play him - irrelevant to us. As for your prediction - why do you want us to reply to that? Its a predictions thread and as you've noticed the vast majority think you'll win. No one has posted any enmity towards other posters thinking you'll win. You probably will because you're currently better than us, it's at home and we're on a terrible run.
Yes, there will be enmity from the tiny minority of Villa fans but for a multitude of reasons. You'll also find many more that probably like Newcastle. I find myself as one of them. I couldn't give a shit about the original banner and thought it was crap if truth be told. But by Christ you have whinged on about it. By constantly bringing it up whenever we play you are allowing the media to whip up something that isn't there.
We, the fans, as you do as do all other fans, will jump to defend the 'honour' of their club. As you have post- banner and as we will when you go on about it because you really want to beat us because of it. But the point from our side of the fence is forget about it. It was a banner and hilarity from our side 8 years ago. If you lot just shrugged it off as typical football fan 'banter' and realised that you were fair game then, and were last season, then this would be parked where it belongs right at the back of the Asda car park with no-one noticing.
But no you can't. Its almost as if you think you should be above being laughed at by a club that just wanted to laugh at a big club going down. It just happened that the big club was you and the club relegating the big club was us.
You don't care if the league's top goalscorer is back? I would. I would care if the opposition's best striker was back from injury for our game.
I didn't say I wanted anyone to reply to my predictions, I said that people have chosen to ignore the rest of the post and only react to the bit where I say that there remains some resentment towards some of your fanbase.
You're fundamentally not getting this; the media bring it up to sell papers/get clicks, which stirs the pot on both sides. You seem to insist that it's only the Newcastle fans who reference this, that's not the case. Villa fans bring up Newcastle fans not letting it go, Newcastle fans bring it up too.
This whole thread has been derailed because I mentioned in passing that Newcastle will be up for the game because there remains some resentment. That should have been that. But some of you are just as precious over those banners as some Newcastle fans are.
I myself think it's all a bit silly and it's a fabricated rivalry that will be forgotten soon enough.
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I think you're a whinger.
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I think you're a whinger.
Well, as you know, words on a screen from an anonymous contributor can be awfully hurtful so I'll be sure to share this with my therapist.
;D
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The media bring it up, it's a pathetic individual who made the banner but you come on here to tell us that then decide it's all a bit silly after all. Ah, ok.
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The media bring it up, it's a pathetic individual who made the banner but you come on here to tell us that then decide it's all a bit silly after all. Ah, ok.
I fear you've not read it through properly, or you've misunderstood?
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The media bring it up, it's a pathetic individual who made the banner but you come on here to tell us that then decide it's all a bit silly after all. Ah, ok.
I fear you've not read it through properly, or you've misunderstood?
I fear you're still quite upset about it.
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The media bring it up, it's a pathetic individual who made the banner but you come on here to tell us that then decide it's all a bit silly after all. Ah, ok.
I fear you've not read it through properly, or you've misunderstood?
I fear you're still quite upset about it.
;D I'm apoplectic, which is why I've resorted to name calling, swearing and capital letters which are common tells.
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Look Mr Fish if you are a bit upset, just tell us it's ok, we're all here to listen and look after you.
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Imagine if we had done something really offensive, like burned effigies of the prophet Keegan.
Fat Quinn would have issued a fatwa, the Jawdies are revolting etc.
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Aww, did the nasty Villa fans laugh at you?
What is it with stripes and being sad obsessives?
Well, one pretty pathetic individual took time out from painting his Warhammer soldiers to make two banners to celebrate our relegation. Just like no other fan of a team ever done. Joined in ridiculing a relegated side, sure, but going to the effort of making two banners to do that? Aberrant behaviour if you ask me.
Re: obsessives, this is stoked by local media, your papers and ours love to drag it up because it gets clicks/sells papers.
Embarrasing, I thought you Geordies were big hard fellas?
Football fans in holding a grudge shocker. I'm sure Villa fans don't harbour a grudge with players, managers, pundits or teams... right?
Let's be honest here. Whoever sent Newcastle down in 08/09 was always going to have a laugh. It just happened to be us.
Also last year, we expected to be well beaten by you lot at Villa Park as we were shite. The fact you didn't, coupled with Sunderland beating Chelsea, meant we got to laugh again.
It's nothing personal, it's just the fixture computer gave us a giggle.
As for the game, 2-0 to Newcastle. As easy a home win as Newcastle will have all season.
A laugh? Sure, going to the bother of making banners? No.
Outside of local rivals I can't think of any club's fanbase going to the bother of all that childishness.
We relegated Cardiff in 13/14 and after a short burst of "Going Down" we were back to being concerned with the running of our own club. No banners to mock Cardiff, only to protest our owner.
Are you sure, after typing all that you're not still upset?
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We're on a 9 game winless streak, the moaning on here has been monumental.
Yet you have popped on and managed to be soppier than us all put together. You're top of the league, enjoy it you sad sack.
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Mr Fish. We're Brummies. We're used to the whole country taking the piss out of us in the national media and through the BBC; the way we speak, the concrete shit hole we supposedly all live in, the fact that we're all thick, unsophisticated, boring etc. etc.
Pisstake is all around us and has been all our lives. So we've learnt how to dish it out as well as take it. Birmingham humour is irreverent and dry, but frequently quick and cutting, and quite often Birmingham and its people are the subject of it.
Maybe it's because nobody in Britain ever bothers to listen to us that one or two of our number decided to air their moderately amusing swipes on banners? Maybe we just don't take ourselves that seriously, so don't see any reason why anybody else should? Either way, it was a joke. Please, accept it in the manner it was intended.
Come back at us with some good old Geordie wit and we'll laugh, as we've done all our lives at ourselves, and we can forget all about this pathetic episode. Deal?
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Boring, boring Geordies.
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Well, you all seem a little sensitive about the whole thing so I'll apologise for upsetting you, it was never my intention.
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No I agree in the main. But we don't care about Gayle as he doesn't play for us. Play him/ don't play him - irrelevant to us. As for your prediction - why do you want us to reply to that? Its a predictions thread and as you've noticed the vast majority think you'll win. No one has posted any enmity towards other posters thinking you'll win. You probably will because you're currently better than us, it's at home and we're on a terrible run.
Yes, there will be enmity from the tiny minority of Villa fans but for a multitude of reasons. You'll also find many more that probably like Newcastle. I find myself as one of them. I couldn't give a shit about the original banner and thought it was crap if truth be told. But by Christ you have whinged on about it. By constantly bringing it up whenever we play you are allowing the media to whip up something that isn't there.
We, the fans, as you do as do all other fans, will jump to defend the 'honour' of their club. As you have post- banner and as we will when you go on about it because you really want to beat us because of it. But the point from our side of the fence is forget about it. It was a banner and hilarity from our side 8 years ago. If you lot just shrugged it off as typical football fan 'banter' and realised that you were fair game then, and were last season, then this would be parked where it belongs right at the back of the Asda car park with no-one noticing.
But no you can't. Its almost as if you think you should be above being laughed at by a club that just wanted to laugh at a big club going down. It just happened that the big club was you and the club relegating the big club was us.
You don't care if the league's top goalscorer is back? I would. I would care if the opposition's best striker was back from injury for our game.
I didn't say I wanted anyone to reply to my predictions, I said that people have chosen to ignore the rest of the post and only react to the bit where I say that there remains some resentment towards some of your fanbase.
You're fundamentally not getting this; the media bring it up to sell papers/get clicks, which stirs the pot on both sides. You seem to insist that it's only the Newcastle fans who reference this, that's not the case. Villa fans bring up Newcastle fans not letting it go, Newcastle fans bring it up too.
This whole thread has been derailed because I mentioned in passing that Newcastle will be up for the game because there remains some resentment. That should have been that. But some of you are just as precious over those banners as some Newcastle fans are.
I myself think it's all a bit silly and it's a fabricated rivalry that will be forgotten soon enough.
How can it be forgotten? You lot cant forget it, you lot are enraged by it still. The media dont bring it up, we dont bring it up, you lot do, every time without fail. You came on here and brought it up, not us. You come on here bringing it up and then have the nerve to say its silly and will be forgotten soon enough? We've been saying that for years but here we still are because of you and only you. Its not Villa or the media that cant let the 'incident' go, its Newcastle and soley Newcastle.
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I would have signed up to Villatalk as well, but they're less welcoming.
You're not kidding there.
I find it all a bit pathetic this manufactured 'rivalry' between the two clubs. I might have mentioned it a couple of times on here but I love the city of Newcastle, most of my mates are Geordies and they don't give a fuck about Villa until it comes to taking the piss out of me. I shall be turning my phone off once the second goes in on Monday.
I don't think we will win and I think that Henri Lansbury will go down with a 'mystery virus' at the team hotel prior to kick off.
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We're in good form, got our top goal scorer back, still harbour resentment towards the behaviour of some of your fans. The crowd will be up for this, as will Gayle. Hayden should be back ahead of Colback.
I'm confident Newcastle will win, but don't think we'll have it all our own way as Bruce has something to prove, your players will want to show they can play well in what is essentially a Premier League fixture and you still have decent players.
2-1 to Newcastle.
Jesus wept
Who would have thought an old bedsheet and a tin of paint from the back of the garage would still be talked about 8 odd years later
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How can it be forgotten? You lot cant forget it, you lot are enraged by it still. The media dont bring it up, we dont bring it up, you lot do, every time without fail. You came on here and brought it up, not us. You come on here bringing it up and then have the nerve to say its silly and will be forgotten soon enough? We've been saying that for years but here we still are because of you and only you. Its not Villa or the media that cant let the 'incident' go, its Newcastle and soley Newcastle.
;D Do you live under a rock? Birmingham Mail runs stories about the "rivalry", the Evening Chronicle runs stories about the "rivalry", Sky and BBC reference it, talkSport reference it.
Either you're a hermit with a very restricted access to the internet, or you're a big fat fibbing fibster.
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How can it be forgotten? You lot cant forget it, you lot are enraged by it still. The media dont bring it up, we dont bring it up, you lot do, every time without fail. You came on here and brought it up, not us. You come on here bringing it up and then have the nerve to say its silly and will be forgotten soon enough? We've been saying that for years but here we still are because of you and only you. Its not Villa or the media that cant let the 'incident' go, its Newcastle and soley Newcastle.
;D Do you live under a rock? Birmingham Mail runs stories about the "rivalry", the Evening Chronicle runs stories about the "rivalry", Sky and BBC reference it, talkSport reference it.
Either you're a hermit with a very restricted access to the internet, or you're a big fat fibbing fibster.
You've spent much of this afternoon on here. I think we can tell from that which way this rivalry runs.
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You won't find many Birmingham Mail readers on here. They're about as negative about us as you are.
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I think I've worked out your angle now, we both know that its pathetic that you can't let it go after almost a decade so you try and fabricate the fact that the media and Villa fans are the ones bringing it up so that it gives you some sort of justification for whining on.
Let it go my friend, it will be theraputic.
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You've spent much of this afternoon on here. I think we can tell from that which way this rivalry runs.
Well, in my OP my reference to the "rivalry" was the sum total of 11 words, the replies, as I'm sure you can see, have been far more in-depth in reply.
And given the antagonistic form those replies took, it's reasonable I be allowed the right of reply, no?
I think I've worked out your angle now, we both know that its pathetic that you can't let it go after almost a decade so you try and fabricate the fact that the media and Villa fans are the ones bringing it up so that it gives you some sort of justification for whining on.
Let it go my friend, it will be theraputic.
I could provide evidence that local media and villa fans bring up this rivalry if you'd like?
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There is no rivalry, we don't care about you, you are not important.
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"Did you have a good day at work, dear?"
"Yes, dear, I spent the whole afternoon on a Villa forum telling their fans how obsessed they are with the Toon Army."
"And what did they say?"
"I don't know, I didn't read any of their responses properly, I just kept telling them they hate us and then told them they were being sensitive in an attempt to take the moral high ground."
"Did it work?"
"Oh definitely."
"You're so clever, darling".
"Aren't I? Pass me my Jimmy Nail album, I'm gonna have a party!"
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Rivalry? You're about 500 miles from Villa Park. Someone took the piss a little bit.
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I wonder if he also goes on to Chelsea sites complaining about how they joined in with the Mackems in taking the piss out of the Bestest Fans in the World. Maybe it's more to do with the whole world were laughing at them and not understanding why.
When Newcastle returned from the Championship they beat us 6-0 and you would have thought that would be the end of it, but fuck me, they never know when to let go. I wonder if we had relegated Sunderland instead would the Barcodes have seen the funny side of it. Some how I very much doubt it. They're a weird lot.
This should keep them going for another seven years. Enjoy!
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Come on fellas, you're being very unfair.
Say what you like about Newcastle and their fans, but please leave Stotties out of this, they are truly wonderful (really).
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You've spent much of this afternoon on here. I think we can tell from that which way this rivalry runs.
Well, in my OP my reference to the "rivalry" was the sum total of 11 words, the replies, as I'm sure you can see, have been far more in-depth in reply.
And given the antagonistic form those replies took, it's reasonable I be allowed the right of reply, no?
I think I've worked out your angle now, we both know that its pathetic that you can't let it go after almost a decade so you try and fabricate the fact that the media and Villa fans are the ones bringing it up so that it gives you some sort of justification for whining on.
Let it go my friend, it will be theraputic.
I could provide evidence that local media and villa fans bring up this rivalry if you'd like?
You can do whatever you like but if I went on to another club's messageboard and started badmouthing their fans I wouldn't expect them to say "Gosh, you're right". I certainly wouldn't spend hours tying myself in knots with them.
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Let's face it wet fish or whatever you're called, you'll probably go up this season barring a miracle, but I bet you'll be back down here again next season, playing us again at this rate and still fucking moaning about how we all had a laugh at your expense.
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Taking time to make banners you say ...
(http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article7918184.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Aston-Villa-v-Newcastle-1.jpg)
... you realise of course that was in response to the banners you brought, right? So I'm not sure it makes the point you hoped it would.
After the Ant and Dec thing this is the funniest thing I have ever seen at a football game. They came to take the piss with the slow dawning realisation that they were coming down with us. What a ****** this guy must have felt. It was brilliant.
Of course, they genuinely get to take the piss tomorrow, but there you go.
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Can I register my concern at the lack of "effusive praise" we've received from fans of other clubs. Im going to struggle to sleep tonight.
"We're not concerned about being everybody's favourite second club". Obviously.
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No I agree in the main. But we don't care about Gayle as he doesn't play for us. Play him/ don't play him - irrelevant to us. As for your prediction - why do you want us to reply to that? Its a predictions thread and as you've noticed the vast majority think you'll win. No one has posted any enmity towards other posters thinking you'll win. You probably will because you're currently better than us, it's at home and we're on a terrible run.
Yes, there will be enmity from the tiny minority of Villa fans but for a multitude of reasons. You'll also find many more that probably like Newcastle. I find myself as one of them. I couldn't give a shit about the original banner and thought it was crap if truth be told. But by Christ you have whinged on about it. By constantly bringing it up whenever we play you are allowing the media to whip up something that isn't there.
We, the fans, as you do as do all other fans, will jump to defend the 'honour' of their club. As you have post- banner and as we will when you go on about it because you really want to beat us because of it. But the point from our side of the fence is forget about it. It was a banner and hilarity from our side 8 years ago. If you lot just shrugged it off as typical football fan 'banter' and realised that you were fair game then, and were last season, then this would be parked where it belongs right at the back of the Asda car park with no-one noticing.
But no you can't. Its almost as if you think you should be above being laughed at by a club that just wanted to laugh at a big club going down. It just happened that the big club was you and the club relegating the big club was us.
You don't care if the league's top goalscorer is back? I would. I would care if the opposition's best striker was back from injury for our game.
I didn't say I wanted anyone to reply to my predictions, I said that people have chosen to ignore the rest of the post and only react to the bit where I say that there remains some resentment towards some of your fanbase.
You're fundamentally not getting this; the media bring it up to sell papers/get clicks, which stirs the pot on both sides. You seem to insist that it's only the Newcastle fans who reference this, that's not the case. Villa fans bring up Newcastle fans not letting it go, Newcastle fans bring it up too.
This whole thread has been derailed because I mentioned in passing that Newcastle will be up for the game because there remains some resentment. That should have been that. But some of you are just as precious over those banners as some Newcastle fans are.
I myself think it's all a bit silly and it's a fabricated rivalry that will be forgotten soon enough.
Nah. We're capable of losing with or without Gayle playing. Won't make much difference to us.
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Meh - we need time to gel.
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4-0 to them.
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Are they still on about that fucking banner? Still pretending it was some kind of over the top outrage that cuts the quick of moral fibre and Corinthian spirit? It was a joke you sad bastards.
No doubt this "rivalry", that they don't care about, will again see hordes of morons bouncing up and down behind the Police on Monday and throwing things at our fans again.
And it will be considered fair order by some neanderthals up on the Jock border because someone once wrote something about Ant and Dec on a fucking bedsheet.
And all this whilst stupid bastards are top of the League.
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If you want melodramatic, then check out this I've just seen on my Facebook feed.
#Pushing those morons closer to relegation would mean ever more to me than getting promoted. They don't realise what this great club means to us. The Villa fans that day were utterly spiteful, vicious and shameful in what they did. My boss had to send me home from work the next day, I was that upset by it. But they say revenge is best served cold. I hope to God they get relegated, go into administration and are liquidated. Even that won't be enough to make up for what they put us through that day. I fucking hate them so much#
Highly strung are our northern friends.....
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But apparently Brentford don't like us and think they are ace. Or some such drivel. Not that they want everyone to like them. They are like the Olbiyun with bigger crowds.
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I think we have to accept that the majority of Newcastle fans aren't used to unsanitised, pre-Sky piss taking. The majority arrived with Sky and Keegan. Pre-Sky they were getting crowds as low as 9,000. And they wonder why we all laugh at them bragging about attendances.
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What sis we do at Brentford to attract such dislike?
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Cheltenham, I do love the sad tracksuit clad morons that are bouncing up and down with their camera phones as if there's a horse they can punch. They hang around chucking coins and look very pleased there's a line of police "holding them back".
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Whether we have the mental toughness to get a result, away to our biggest rivals in the world, I just don't know.
Barca / Real
River / Boca
Newcastle / Villa.
I'm going for an unlikely draw.
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I think we have to accept that the majority of Newcastle fans aren't used to unsanitised, pre-Sky piss taking. The majority arrived with Sky and Keegan. Pre-Sky they were getting crowds as low as 9,000. And they wonder why we all laugh at them bragging about attendances.
Boom. Now there is a point for Mr Fish to answer. You might just have nailed it.
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If you want melodramatic, then check out this I've just seen on my Facebook feed.
#Pushing those morons closer to relegation would mean ever more to me than getting promoted. They don't realise what this great club means to us. The Villa fans that day were utterly spiteful, vicious and shameful in what they did. My boss had to send me home from work the next day, I was that upset by it. But they say revenge is best served cold. I hope to God they get relegated, go into administration and are liquidated. Even that won't be enough to make up for what they put us through that day. I fucking hate them so much#
Highly strung are our northern friends.....
What sis we do at Brentford to attract such dislike?
If it's anything like the reason Newcastle hate us, put the washing out.
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They certainly won't mention the time their away support at VP numbered 12 (twelve). They'll take the piss about us taking around 1700 though.
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Apparently The Fish is not the only one that hated the banners...
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/14/article-2539112-0002460E00000C1D-557_634x408.jpg)
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e241/sketch321/Newcastles-Relegation-New-008.jpg)
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And conveniently forget that our "terrible" away support is following a team 16th in Division 2 and last won a match away shortly after Achilles downed Hector in the battle of Troy.
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Apparently The Fish is not the only one that hated the banners...
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/14/article-2539112-0002460E00000C1D-557_634x408.jpg)
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e241/sketch321/Newcastles-Relegation-New-008.jpg)
That isn't even a stomach. It's Barry Austin's arse.
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I think The Fish has just got a massive chip on his shoulder. Take him with a pinch of salt
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That bedsheet must have been absolutely massive given that all thirty thousand Villa supporters in the ground that day were apparently jointly responsible for creating it.
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I think The Fish has just got a massive chip on his shoulder. Take him with a pinch of salt
He's fucked off now i thinks he's haddock enough
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I think The Fish has just got a massive chip on his shoulder. Take him with a pinch of salt
He's fucked off now i thinks he's haddock enough
Thank Cod for that.
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I think The Fish has just got a massive chip on his shoulder. Take him with a pinch of salt
He's fucked off now i thinks he's haddock enough
Thank Cod for that.
We put him in his plaice
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We knocked him off his perch.
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This thread has been quite turbotlent today.
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He was skate'ng on thin ice coming here.
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Well he was being a bit of an arsole and frankly I think it is just a load of old pollocks.
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He was carping on a bit
Anyway at least now he's gone there is less tenchion
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He will go away to mullet over.
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Yes but think eel be back
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I very much trout that.
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I think The Fish fingers himself a lot
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Yes but think eel be back
Trying to flex his mussels
The cock le
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Banner talk 8 years on? Am I herring things. They have no sole.
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We have been on a consistent run of late, so 3-0 to them.
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We put him in his plaice.
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Hope we make them cry again and beat them but we are due some luck. Hogan and codja to score 2-0 to us
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Think we'll get beat and they'll be doing the conger.
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I cant see us losing 5 in a roe
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If we give him too much stickhe'llbeback
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What a mullet!
(http://www.plagueofthemullet.com/images/football-mullet.jpg)Save
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Lose 5 in a roe? I don't think we will flounder, just be a bit crappie. After all, we have nothing to lose being mere minnows and small fry to them. Might put a few squid on a us winning Perhaps i should mullet over. Be nice to knock them off their perch at their plaice. A few too many fish puns I think. I will call a crab. Or maybe I (like our fishy northern jawdie) should get on my pike....up the villa! Whatever the score on mon, we will have a whale of a time.
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One last one, the mighty villa against the tuna army! I am just posting pollocks now!
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If we give him too much stickhe'llbeback
Trying to skate around the issue
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If he came on here to barrac, uda thought he would of come up with a "batter" arguement
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Lose 5 in a roe? I don't think we will flounder, just be a bit crappie. After all, we have nothing to lose being mere minnows and small fry to them. Might put a few squid on a us winning Perhaps i should mullet over. Be nice to knock them off their perch at their plaice. A few too many fish puns I think. I will call a crab. Or maybe I (like our fishy northern jawdie) should get on my pike....up the villa! Whatever the score on mon, we will have a whale of a time.
Oh p##s off!
(http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article832687.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/Ricky%20Tomlinson%20in%20Mike%20Bassett:%20England%20Manager)
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He was nothing more than a little scampi. Even if we lose, we will limpet through. I have done a lot of puns now, I wouldn't want to be shellfish....in seriousness I think we may batter the geordies. I am wishing we do as my brother in law is a barcode and a bellend
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He was nothing more than a little scampi. Even if we lose, we will limpet through. I have done a lot of puns now, I wouldn't want to be shellfish....in seriousness I think we may batter the geordies. I am wishing we do as my brother in law is a barcode and a bellend
We shall sea
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Tayls_7 I will trawl for more puns😉 I have over fished mine. In all seriousness why are they still whinging over a banner? Nose levels of obsession but they share a kinship with our stripey equally obsessed neighbours. They are just a monochrome Sunderland who sound the same.....
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Tayls_7 I will trawl for more puns😉 I have over fished mine. In all seriousness why are they still whinging over a banner? Nose levels of obsession but they share a kinship with our stripey equally obsessed neighbours. They are just a monochrome Sunderland who sound the same.....
He will take some platyfying.
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"I will love it if we beat them, love it"
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Bream on.
4-1
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I think we will this game.
We have plumbed depths of such chronic ineptitude that they will not hold us in any regard whatseover and we will only need a coefficient of gellling of 43% to fuck them up their complacent cracks.
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Come on fellas, you're being very unfair.
Say what you like about Newcastle and their fans, but please leave Stotties out of this, they are truly wonderful (really).
What's a stottie?
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I think The Fish fingers himself a lot
The winner 👏👏👏
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Stottie is north east bread and is quite nice. But will stick to a cheese cob as I'm posher
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I think we will this game.
We have plumbed depths of such chronic ineptitude that they will not hold us in any regard whatseover and we will only need a coefficient of gellling of 43% to fuck them up their complacent cracks.
It is quite possible.....but maybe you have not taken into account the anti-gelling co-efficient of an early goal for them. In fact the anti-coagulant factor would be about 1 mega-tonne on the dihorea hi hey scale and thus prevent any gelling above 1% I calculate.
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The Fish should watch out. He might get battered.
P.s just a joke not a threat😉
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1-1 or 2-2.
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Obviously they will win. Whether is an "unlucky" loss by a self inflicted goal or a thrashing is probably the only question. Respect to Villa fans who are going.
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Just read this on twitter and almost fell off my chair...
Aston Villa FC @AVFCOfficial 6m6 minutes ago
More Injury news: @MicahRichards back in training.
💬️⚽️ Steve Bruce: “Micah is terrific around the place. I could do with him on the pitch.”
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Just read this on twitter and almost fell off my chair...
Aston Villa FC @AVFCOfficial 6m6 minutes ago
More Injury news: @MicahRichards back in training.
💬️⚽️ Steve Bruce: “Micah is terrific around the place. I could do with him on the pitch.”
Oh FFS, No Steve, just take a look at the the videos of him playing for us. No need for somekind of Gabby second chance.
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Richards>Elphick.
Like being kicked up the arse is better than being kicked in the balls.
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You would think and really believe Richards is a better full back than Hutton.
Obviously if your not a Villa fan that is.
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Just read this on twitter and almost fell off my chair...
Aston Villa FC @AVFCOfficial 6m6 minutes ago
More Injury news: @MicahRichards back in training.
💬️⚽️ Steve Bruce: “Micah is terrific around the place. I could do with him on the pitch.”
Holy cow!
Things can only get better!
The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades.
Tesco bag Smegg Evans of the Birmingham Fail:
Steve Bruce has told Micah Richards: Get yourself fit, I need you.
The former Villa captain has been sidelined with a knee injury this season but is now closing in on a return.
When he’s fully up to speed, Bruce will consider throwing him straight back in the team after admitting:
“I could do with him on the pitch.
“Micah Richards is a stick-on if he is fit.
“He has the right mentality.
“Unfortunately fitness levels have been a big problem for him over the last couple of years.”
Richards can play right-back or centre-half and would bring experience, know-how and an added determination to drag Villa out of their current mess.
“He has been back in training for a week after an ongoing problem with his knee, a complicated one,” Bruce added.
“Certainly I could do with him.
“I have to say around the place he is terrific.
“He went on a six-week programme so hopefully he stays right because his experience could prove vital.”
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Bruce really is losing the plot isn't he? I hope I'm wrong but this is the beginning of the end for him if he thinks Richards is a stick on player. He's shit!
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SB has gone wrong.
He has gone wrong in his mental tank.
®The Boosh.
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First time I've said this, but if he's bringing Micah back he can go. That's the last thing we need.
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“Micah Richards is a stick-on if he is fit.
“He has the right mentality.
No Steve, no.
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“Micah Richards is a stick-on if he is fit.
“He has the right mentality.
No Steve, no.
Wow.
That's pretty staggering.
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I remember thinking this last season, but where did the Richards attitude stories come from?
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I remember thinking this last season, but where did the Richards attitude stories come from?
The Bad Santa video and Tom Fox suggesting he ran a first team dressing room that resembled a Rolling Stones dressing room post gig.
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What's the bad santa video?
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The one where he was Santa and they took the piss out of the French players. It was an official club video on Facebook last Christmas.
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He also made snide remarks about Johnny Foreigner in his post match interview after Garde's first game.
As many pointed out last year, it wasn't the French lads who let us down.
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It was everybody.
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Don't recall Amavi, Ayew or Veretout making total fools of themselves on laughing gas. Or pictured on the piss mid season, when we had the small matter of trying to stay in the top flight to contend with. Leave that to the In ger Lund professionals who don't need to even train, such is their pashun for the game. What else does anyone need.
All of the 2015/16 vintage bear some responsibility for us going down, but the foreign lads are the least culpable.
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Then there was the tens of matches where he loped around without a care in the world, opting not to break into a sweat.
What a ******. He's fucking useless.
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“Micah Richards is a stick-on if he is fit.
“He has the right mentality.
No Steve, no.
Wow.
That's pretty staggering.
They all think they'll be the ones to turn this player or that player around. He won't ofcourse.
Richards like Gabby is very poor, horrendously overpaid, horribly overrated with an attitude that completely infected the club and got us here in the first place.
It's sad that they are both still leeching a wage from the club quite frankly.
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We'll get bent over in the potting shed again I reckon.
Anything better than a 1 goal defeat will surprise me, if I'm totally honest.
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We'll get bent over in the potting shed again I reckon.
Anything better than a 1 goal defeat will surprise me, if I'm totally honest.
At some stage we are going to get it right and stop the rot. Huddersfield Wolves Blackburn &Sheffield Wed have all won at SJP this season. It's by no means a fortress. I'm going for a rot stopping 1-1 draw.
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I think we just may benefit from playing a game where we sre not expected to win.
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We'll get bent over in the potting shed again I reckon.
Charming. For readers who may not be familiar with the vagaries of football bants I believe Robbo is suggesting that Villa's fixture at St.James' Park may result in a comprehensive defeat for the visitors.
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Nothing to say about the upcoming game, but in nit-picking mode should the thread title not be "This lot again", "That" implies a team that is not Aston Villa, does it not?
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Them: lots. Us: None
This 'rivalry' is utter drivel isn't it. I remember being slightly amused that a club as big as Newcastle had put up such little fight in going down (oh, how we learnt eh) walking out the ground and never thinking about it again, I even bought a Geordie a pint in the King Edward. Most of my mates are Villa fans and Newcastle just don't register or come up in conversations at all, nor should they. Who makes this shite up?
I think Bruce will at some point come good and start a winning run but I don't think it will begin Monday.
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Bruce can fuck off with his Gormless Fatty and Richards love in. They're both crap, they're both wankers, they're both injured half the time and they both should have been bombed out in the summer.
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I think that Henri Lansbury will go down with a 'mystery virus' at the team hotel prior to kick off.
That's not the first time you've suggested Lansbury won't fancy playing up there. Why is that?
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Stottie is north east bread and is quite nice. But will stick to a cheese cob as I'm posher
Cant they just call it bread?
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I think we just may benefit from playing a game where we sre not expected to win.
Yes, I remember now how we always beat Man Utd.
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Maybe if you weren't so far up your own Everybody's Favourite Club/Bestest Supporters in the World arses nobody would have been all that bothered. Maybe if you didn't keep dragging it up, all this would have been long forgotten. Maybe.
Well, apart from the fact that your fellow Villa fans bring it up, your local papers bring it up and your twitter hardmen bring it up.
Apart from them, maybe it would have been forgotten. Maybe. ;)
p.s. that "everyone's 2nd favourite club" wasn't invented by us, or accepted by us, it was invented by Sky and seems to persist purely because it rankles with fans of clubs like Aston Villa. None of us much give a shit.
Of course you don't. And of course you don't bring it up. Possibly it's some other grudge you refer to earlier. Either way, if you don't care about us, why are you on here?
I said we didn't care about you. Now, because of one member of your fanbase's oddness the consensus on Tyneside has changed.
I signed up to this site to see your opinions on the Championship, on players, on fixtures, on Bruce, and so on. I would have signed up to Villatalk as well, but they're less welcoming.
Ha ha ha, ONE Villa fan's 'oddness'?! Get a grip.
'Sake. ::)
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According to wikipedia stott in their language means to bounce and if you dropped it the bread would bounce....however if it is not a loaf of bread and you can put cheese in it, I will call it a cob. Here endeth part one of the breads of Britain. Part 2, oatcakes coming soon.
If they batter us, we expect it, hence we aren't bothered. If we win, they will be upset and may cry. Either way we will be concerned with our own team not bed sheets and ant and Dec jokes. On other side of coin, it horrifies me to say it but to avoid getting deeper into the mire, don't we need sha to get something out of qpr? Gods teeth they said we would have fun in this league......
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I think we just may benefit from playing a game where we sre not expected to win.
Yes, I remember now how we always beat Man Utd.
Man for man, Man United have been significantly better than us for 24 years. I don't think that's the case with Newcastle.
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I think we just may benefit from playing a game where we sre not expected to win.
Yes, I remember now how we always beat Man Utd.
Man for man, Man United have been significantly better than us for 24 years. I don't think that's the case with Newcastle.
We lost 3-0 (I think) to them at Villa Park under Moyes when everybody else was turning them over. I can't remember the last time we unexpectedly beat anybody Chelsea at home under Lambert maybe?
I'm not holding out much hope.
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We fundamentally don't take ourselves too seriously at all, ask the rest of the Championship, they'e been effusive in their praise for us.
I've seen this kind of stuff said by other Newcastle fans. Like they feel entitled to the red carpet treatment by clubs they regard as beneath them. That sense of entitlement was skewered at Villa Park and a lot of them haven't forgiven us.
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Actually, thinking about the myth being pedalled here by fish - that Newcastle fans are all good fun at away days - does anyone else remember the coach load of them singing "You're just a town full of pakis" down Witton Lane at the relegation match?
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A Newcastle supporter saying they don't take themselves seriously is like a Nose saying they don't care about us.
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I do remember different fans singing that to us on a few occasions. I have to be honest I can't remember which fans.
But I always thought it was odd. How did people feel it was alright to join in a chant like that? And also why would we be offended?
I would love it if more of the Asian community around Aston were seen in the ground, as it might indicate we were doing well.
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We lost 3-0 (I think) to them at Villa Park under Moyes when everybody else was turning them over. I can't remember the last time we unexpectedly beat anybody Chelsea at home under Lambert maybe?
I'm not holding out much hope.
2014 when Delph scored.
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2015 semi-final?
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Misread it, thought you were asking if we beat Chelsea.
Spurs away under Sherwood.
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Misread it, thought you were asking if we beat Chelsea.
Spurs away under Sherwood.
We'd found some form under Sherwood then and followed it up with beating Liverpool in the semi final. We're completely out of form now
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BBC Sports (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39007570)
Rafael Benitez: Newcastle boss says Aston Villa struggles show Championship is tough
Newcastle manager Rafael Benitez believes Aston Villa's struggles prove Championship life can be difficult for former Premier League clubs.
Both sides were relegated last season but Villa have struggled to find form, while Newcastle are top.
"They have proved it's a difficult division," Benitez told BBC Radio Newcastle.
"It is not easy to go down and go up first time. It is important to have everyone working together," he added.
Newcastle host Aston Villa on Monday night, with the two sides meeting at St James' Park for the first time out of the top flight since 1938.
"They know what they have to do in this division - some young players may not be ready for the Premier League but they can be good in this division," Benitez said.
"Teams who have been in the Championship a while only have to add two or three players per season to their squads. When teams are relegated they have to change half the squad, and it's difficult to settle down."
"You can understand how it can happen, statistics show it can happen."
Newcastle will be without Isaac Hayden for the match against Aston Villa with an ankle injury, which could keep him out for four weeks. But the Magpies could welcome back Vurnon Anita, who has returned to training.
Newcastle had Jonjo Shelvey and Dwight Gayle on the pitch together for the first time since Christmas in their 2-2 draw with Norwich on Tuesday.
"When they are together on the pitch it's important for the team. But we were winning without those two. We can win using different players. The main thing is the team," Benitez added.
"It was a Premier League fixture for a lot of years, it will have the feel of a big game."
"The stature of both clubs means it is an important game for everyone, and people will enjoy it."
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We hadn't won for 3 including Swansea and QPR at home and had won 2 league games in 3 months. Winning there was unexpected, certainly for me.
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We hadn't won for 3 including Swansea and QPR at home and had won 2 league games in 3 months. Winning there was unexpected, certainly for me.
Really? At the time it felt like we were on a good run. Funny how you remember things differently. Must have been the euphoria of the semi final I remember talking to Liverpool fans before the game and they felt they were playing us at the wrong time.
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We'd been winning cup games but the only league wins were the Bitters in double week and the 4-0 at Sunderland. They were only league wins after beating Leicester early December and the Spurs game was April.
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A few clubs and their supporters get on my tit's but I can't say I hate anyone. I'm not really bothered about how other football clubs are doing, 'i'm just interested in The Villa.Over the years my approach sometimes seems to cause me more trouble than actually hating other teams. When I tell small heath or Smethwick fans I don't hate their clubs because I just don't find their teams relevant it seems to upset them more than if I called them every name under the sun. Fuck the others...i'm one of the Villa brothers. .!
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I've never been to Newcastle but I do remember, ahem, vigorously entertaining a Geordie lass overnight in my student digs in Dijon circa 1987. Ace night!
I fully expect the Barcodes to reciprocate on the pitch this Monday.
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We'd been winning cup games but the only league wins were the Bitters in double week and the 4-0 at Sunderland. They were only league wins after beating Leicester early December and the Spurs game was April.
Depressing that I remember that as being a good run. Shows how goddam awful it has been over the past few years.
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I live and work in the north east. I have approx 100 wotkmates; of those that care about football there's not a one of them, neither mackem nor nukeusall, that takes either themselves or their team seriously. Not even when they're playing each other.
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I think people are guilty of believing the shite the tabloids and Sky roll out about Newcastle supporters and the fact there is usually a bunch of urchins hanging about St James Park to gurn for the cameras, every Newcastle fan I know finds such idiots embarrassing and are just like pretty much every other football supporter I know, passionate about their team but also don't view themselves as any better than any other supporter.
The Sunderland supporters I know just spend their time trying to convince me they are worse than Villa.
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I still haven't forgiven Newcastle for when St Alan of Shearer kicked Bosnich
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I still haven't forgiven Newcastle for when St Alan of Shearer kicked Bosnich
I haven't forgiven Smokey for realising Alan Wright was only 5'3".
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We're getting twatted here lads. Make no mistake. Normally it's totally "Villa" to be shit and then when we're not expecting to pick anything up, get a shock result. But the last two years we're just shit. Week in, week out. We don't win when we're supposed to and we don't get surprise results.
Keeping the score down is going to be Bruce's game plan.
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Totally agree with supertom, we are up for a battering if they fancy it. Saying that with Clark and Hanley as there central two we can surely grab a goal or two ourselves if Kodjia and Hogan are up for it.
Could be a long night methinks
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That's the second time this week I've seen 'methinks' used and it hasn't resulted in an instant ban.
We have FAKE mods folks, terrible.
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That's the second time this week I've seen 'methinks' used and it hasn't resulted in an instant ban.
We have FAKE mods folks, terrible.
To ban or not to ban. Is that the question?
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That's the second time this week I've seen 'methinks' used and it hasn't resulted in an instant ban.
We have FAKE mods folks, terrible.
Thought I noticed one slip through the net earlier this week. What the fuck is going on?
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That's the second time this week I've seen 'methinks' used and it hasn't resulted in an instant ban.
We have FAKE mods folks, terrible.
Thought I noticed one slip through the net earlier this week. What the fuck is going on?
I beseech thee, kind Sir! Twas not me m*****ks-ing. Nay. nay and thrice nay.
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6 points off the bottom 3 of division 2.
We really are in shit street.
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I remember thinking this last season, but where did the Richards attitude stories come from?
To it was that interview he gave not long after Garde turned up, saying how badly had been treated and how it was the foreign players fault we were going to get relegated rather than him and Lescott.
As captian of the club he should've been far more welcoming to the likes of Veretout in the dressing room but you get the feeling he was in his own little clique.
Tbh I've forgotten all about him so qualifies for the forgotten Villa players thread and he's still employed by the club ffs. Desperate times if we're thinking of playing him, he hasn't appeared since October and his fitness isn't great when he was playing every week last season.
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I think we just may benefit from playing a game where we sre not expected to win.
Yeah I actually think we'll nick a point from this, 1-1.
Newcastle every 5th game or so always seem to have a dodgy result in the championship (they've lost home and away to Blackburn) and there's a bit of pressure on them to win as Huddersfield are closing in and they've got to play them and Brighton away in next few weeks.
Probably the sort of game we were having away from home at the start of the season....we'll play better than expected, take the lead, miss more chances and concede in the 89th minute.
I would take that.
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4-1
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We'll get bent over in the potting shed again I reckon.
Charming. For readers who may not be familiar with the vagaries of football bants I believe Robbo is suggesting that Villa's fixture at St.James' Park may result in a comprehensive defeat for the visitors.
football Bantz? It's a film reference. And not a scud one before anyone says it!
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We'll get bent over in the potting shed again I reckon.
Charming. For readers who may not be familiar with the vagaries of football bants I believe Robbo is suggesting that Villa's fixture at St.James' Park may result in a comprehensive defeat for the visitors.
football Bantz? It's a film reference. And not a scud one before anyone says it!
Does it have Tom Cruise in?
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Jedinak in particular along with Bree being fit would make a big difference. The RB position seems cursed - De Laet getting injured now a mystery knee infection for Bree. It seems Hutton has to prevail!
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A few clubs and their supporters get on my tit's but I can't say I hate anyone. I'm not really bothered about how other football clubs are doing, 'i'm just interested in The Villa.Over the years my approach sometimes seems to cause me more trouble than actually hating other teams. When I tell small heath or Smethwick fans I don't hate their clubs because I just don't find their teams relevant it seems to upset them more than if I called them every name under the sun. Fuck the others...i'm one of the Villa brothers. .!
Well said brother
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There is no "rivalry" with Newcastle. Whenever we play them the only thing I wonder about beforehand is if they are still going on about that fucking banner.
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Whoever came out with that banner could have made a fortune. A few thousand t-shirt's printed with that on the front and taken up to Sunderland could have earned some serious dollar.
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Gayle has just had his first kid so the stage is looking set for the custom t or rocking baby celebration. However, I'm still going to stick with my draw prediction. No idea why, I just think something ridiculous will happen and we'll benefit.
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That's the second time this week I've seen 'methinks' used and it hasn't resulted in an instant ban.
We have FAKE mods folks, terrible.
I agree with everything you say, LeeB, but never have I agreed with you more.
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Galye has just had his first kid so the stage is looking set for the custom t or rocking baby celebration.
Is that you Eastie?
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We'll get bent over in the potting shed again I reckon.
Charming. For readers who may not be familiar with the vagaries of football bants I believe Robbo is suggesting that Villa's fixture at St.James' Park may result in a comprehensive defeat for the visitors.
football Bantz? It's a film reference. And not a scud one before anyone says it!
Does it have Tom Cruise in?
Ray 'Where's your tool, this fackin tool' Winstone I think.
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Galye has just had his first kid so the stage is looking set for the custom t or rocking baby celebration.
Is that you Eastie?
He's a bit young to be a Daddy but we wish him and Martha all the best.
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Galye has just had his first kid so the stage is looking set for the custom t or rocking baby celebration.
Is that you Eastie?
He's a bit young to be a Daddy but we wish him and Martha all the best.
No, Carlings the fuckin daddy.
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Jedinak in particular along with Bree being fit would make a big difference. The RB position seems cursed - De Laet getting injured now a mystery knee infection for Bree. It seems Hutton has to prevail!
It's funny that our injured players instantly become potential saviours.
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There's a correlation between the dramatic up turn in goals conceded since the Wolves game when Jedinak last played and before that.
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3-1 defeat I'm afraid.
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On the face of it this should be a procession for the home side but the one thing you can guarantee with Villa is that whenever you think you've got them sussed and a result is inevitable something extraordinary happens.
Reasons for optimism no science, no surprise team selection or killer formation it's just that I'm going. I haven't seen us lose up there and I haven't seen us lose a league game this season. For the 2000 of us going, stiff upper lip, smile shake hands with the enemy (most of them are decent football folk like ourselves) and sing the roof off the place.
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We'll get bent over in the potting shed again I reckon.
Charming. For readers who may not be familiar with the vagaries of football bants I believe Robbo is suggesting that Villa's fixture at St.James' Park may result in a comprehensive defeat for the visitors.
football Bantz? It's a film reference. And not a scud one before anyone says it!
Does it have Tom Cruise in?
Ray 'Where's your tool, this fackin tool' Winstone I think.
I'm sad that nobody picked up on the missile punathon!
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We'll get bent over in the potting shed again I reckon.
Charming. For readers who may not be familiar with the vagaries of football bants I believe Robbo is suggesting that Villa's fixture at St.James' Park may result in a comprehensive defeat for the visitors.
football Bantz? It's a film reference. And not a scud one before anyone says it!
Does it have Tom Cruise in?
Ray 'Where's your tool, this fackin tool' Winstone I think.
I'm sad that nobody picked up on the missile punathon!
I think you've blown it (which could of course work with missile puns and Tom Cruise's rumoured sexual ambiguity)
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Gayle has just had his first kid so the stage is looking set for the custom t or rocking baby celebration.
Is that you Eastie?
What's the fascination with this guy that got banned years ago?
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Draw
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I'm getting that " sickening gnawing " in the pit of my stomach again. It may not just be my Sunday lunch...or getting ready for breakfast. I think there's something BIG about to happen on Monday night. I am so nervous for anything that precludes a huge, massive, embarrassing turn-over..........that I am not sure whether to watch it or just record it and then scrub the recording if it / when it goes the wrong way.
My admiration for those 2000 intrepid followers knows no bounds.
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Anything other than a Jawdie win will be fake news.
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Apologies for the methinks comment a couple of pages ago, didn't realise it would cause such uproar.
I hope Bruce plays a 442 tonight if that's the formation he thinks we should be going with, I still worry about just a 2 man central midfield though if he does though as Hourihane and Lansbury are more attack minded so I don't think we would get much protection to the back 4.
Perhaps 433 if Jedinak is fit and playing as a defensive cover in the middle allowing Hourihane and Lansbury to get forward.
I think I read that Hourihane has the most assists in the league this season with 11?
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To everyone going up there tonight,hats off,to the Eleven on the pitch,show us something.UTV
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I'm getting that " sickening gnawing " in the pit of my stomach again. It may not just be my Sunday lunch...or getting ready for breakfast. I think there's something BIG about to happen on Monday night. I am so nervous for anything that precludes a huge, massive, embarrassing turn-over..........that I am not sure whether to watch it or just record it and then scrub the recording if it / when it goes the wrong way.
My admiration for those 2000 intrepid followers knows no bounds.
ONLY 2000 FANS??!!!!?! Hahahaha shit club, shit fans, tinpot. Howay.
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Any recommendations of where to go for a reasonable pint?
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Anywhere in the centre is good enough. Newcastle is quite tiny but with plenty of decent watering holes. Is Shearer's bar still there? that was always good for a starting point. You'll mix with home fans but, funny thing, they're actually okay.
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Taking my wife to her first football match..should be a tasty atmosphere for her first game. 1-1.
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Any recommendations of where to go for a reasonable pint?
Crown Posada down towards the Quayside, still only 15 minutes walk to the ground, the Strawberry near the ground will probably be rammed.
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Good shout on the Posada, the Bridge Tavern, just down from there and ....er....under the bridge..... is also a great pub. I moved up to Newcastle last year but not being a ST holder at VP I've had to risk it all and borrow a mates ST in the home end. Hoping I only have to fake frustration rather than elation.
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Gabby will save the day and Bruce will get tictacs right and Grealish will run the show like we all know he can there is no one need to panic or fret we have been here before and lower aren't I right guys
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I think they will tear us a new one...4-1.
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I can't see us getting anything to be honest but I hope i'm wrong. Respect to everyone who's making the journey up there.
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Good shout on the Posada, the Bridge Tavern, just down from there and ....er....under the bridge..... is also a great pub. I moved up to Newcastle last year but not being a ST holder at VP I've had to risk it all and borrow a mates ST in the home end. Hoping I only have to fake frustration rather than elation.
Last time I did that was when Uriah Rennie sent Shearer off and Joachim scored, I survived but only because I kept my mouth shut and was sat in between a couple of mates!
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I'd go with Guzan, Okore, Clark, Lescott, Cissokho, Westwood, Gil, Veretout, Adama, Gestede and Ayew
0-4
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i know that team is a shower of something Lobsterboy but it does show how much our team has changed in 12months. I don't think you can underestimate the overhaul that has taken place, especially when you consider that Championship clubs generally don't spend much and therefore probably don't have that much transition in terms of squad personnel. Their settled sides v our getting to know you side is one of the key reasons we are where we are
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An omen.....? Newcastle have lost 11/11 of home matches when played on a monday
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Can't see past a defeat. I'll have some hope that we will one day "click" and that this is the day.....but then I'll see the line up he's picked.
Have put a fiver on us leading at half time and losing at full time. I know that means we have to score but hey, nobody chucks a lead away like we do.
God this is depressing !! :-) It'll be fun in the Championship they said...at least we'll win games they said...:-(
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An omen.....? Newcastle have lost 11/11 of home matches when played on a monday
Unfortunately we're really good at ending runs like that when it's for the benefit of the opposition so that stat actually makes me feel worse.
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It's a bit like buying a lottery ticket. You dream of winning but you know the odds in your favour. After only 4 balls have been drawn out you through your ticket in the bin thinking there's always next week.
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Good shout on the Posada, the Bridge Tavern, just down from there and ....er....under the bridge..... is also a great pub. I moved up to Newcastle last year but not being a ST holder at VP I've had to risk it all and borrow a mates ST in the home end. Hoping I only have to fake frustration rather than elation.
Last time I did that was when Uriah Rennie sent Shearer off and Joachim scored, I survived but only because I kept my mouth shut and was sat in between a couple of mates!
I did the same a few years ago when i was living up there. I borrowed a season ticket holders spare ticket next to my mate, in the Gallowgate End. The crowd sussed me out straight away, as i obviously wasn't the usual Geordie sitting there, and the Brummie accent gave it away, and they made a few passive agressive remarks about behaving myself.
They went 2-0 up so i stood up when they scored, just to blend in, then late on Merson scored with an absolute peach of a goal, i sat on my hands, said nothing and smiled to myself and my mate.
In a way i was happy i wasn't tempted to celebrate a winning goal, as i don't think they would have took it well.
Good luck
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it says something about where we are when we have spent more than anyone in this league has ever done, rebuilt the midfield bought in a new manager who is a promotion specialist and knows the championship inside out and had been here for a good few months now
and most people on here think we are going to get tonked tonight
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1-1 Hogan to break his duck.
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it says something about where we are when we have spent more than anyone in this league has ever done, rebuilt the midfield bought in a new manager who is a promotion specialist and knows the championship inside out and had been here for a good few months now
and most people on here think we are going to get tonked tonight
What is says is that we are on our second rebuild of the season playing against a team almost assured of automatic promotion. I am not expecting us to get tonked but they are clear obvious favourites.
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I shall be out for most of this game, so it'd be nice to have a pleasant surprise when I check the score.
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I cannot recall the last time I felt legitimately confident going into a game. Same again tonight. I really want to know how that feels again.
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I'm expecting an improved performance tonight. I'm not expecting any points.
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Really wish this wasn't on tonight.Another grating watch.
They owe the fans though.
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So...
We haven't won since boxing day 2016...
We are away....
We facing Newcastle who wants to reclaim top position.
The game is broadcasted on TV.
Yeah...that's going to end well. 3 points.
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With the likes of Johnstone,Hutton and Baker in the defence i can't see anything other than a defeat 3-1 to them
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So...
We haven't won since boxing day 2016...
We are away....
We facing Newcastle who wants to reclaim top position.
The game is broadcasted on TV.
Yeah...that's going to end well. 3 points.
Our last win away was 19th December 2016 against QPR but I agree can't see anything but a loss
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2-0 Newcastle,just hope we show some pride.
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Watching game in pub. Bound to be more noses in there than villa fans as well. Reckon we might draw but probably lose as Bruce looking broken in interview and saying it isn't about performance....hardly a braveheart rally the troops cry so reckon ultra defensive set up that is frightening. As we don't have a defence. Micha Richards to be our messiah?😞
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At 7-1 I am betting the farm...
Then again as a Villa fan backing the team this year...the farm isn't that big anymore. :'(
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I feel we are going to be pleasantly surprised tonight. We are more than overdue a result, 2-0 Villa.
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1-1 Hogan to break his duck.
That'd be nice.
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On the face of it this should be a procession for the home side but the one thing you can guarantee with Villa is that whenever you think you've got them sussed and a result is inevitable something extraordinary happens.
Reasons for optimism no science, no surprise team selection or killer formation it's just that I'm going. I haven't seen us lose up there and I haven't seen us lose a league game this season. For the 2000 of us going, stiff upper lip, smile shake hands with the enemy (most of them are decent football folk like ourselves) and sing the roof off the place.
Outstanding.
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At 7-1 I am betting the farm...
Then again as a Villa fan backing the team this year...the farm isn't that big anymore. :'(
Are you betting on 7-1 Newcastle?
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An entertaining 2-2 and the recovery begins
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I shall be out for most of this game, so it'd be nice to have a pleasant surprise when I check the score.
Wow key under plant pot, cheers.
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Some good news. Mile Jedinak is back in the starting XI. Neil Taylor comes in at left-back.
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Some good news. Mile Jedinak is back in the starting XI. Neil Taylor comes in at left-back.
I'd call it some good news and some not so good news.
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Amavi and Grealish drop to the bench. It's 4-4-2.
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Some good news. Mile Jedinak is back in the starting XI. Neil Taylor comes in at left-back.
I'd call it some good news and some not so good news.
On reflection, I'd just call it news.
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Amavi and Grealish drop to the bench. It's 4-4-2.
I think it's more 4-1-3-2. Started a match thread
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Elphick in for the benched Baker.
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Amavi and Grealish drop to the bench. It's 4-4-2.
I think it's more 4-1-3-2. Started a match thread
We're doooooomed!
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At 7-1 I am betting the farm...
Then again as a Villa fan backing the team this year...the farm isn't that big anymore. :'(
Are you betting on 7-1 Newcastle?
God no! Villa winning is paying 7 for 1 ... If the score ends up 7-1 Newcastle ... well... lets not even think that. Why you have to say that?!
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Amavi and Grealish drop to the bench. It's 4-4-2.
I think it's more 4-1-3-2. Started a match thread
We're doooooomed!
I had a good run going for a bit. I just couldn't fight it any longer. But fuck it we go again...
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Two full backs who can't cross, lack of service for the forwards. Come on Sutton.
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Elphick in for the benched Baker.
Which seems less a team sheet than a suicide note but maybe he's injured.
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Elphick in for the benched Baker.
Which seems less a team sheet than a suicide note but maybe he's injured.
Who, Baker or Bruce?
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The water bucket might have fell out the overhead locker on the bus and concussed him, I can't think of another reason for picking Elphick.
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Some good news. Mile Jedinak is back in the starting XI. Neil Taylor comes in at left-back.
I'd call it some good news and some not so good news.
There's no good news David, there's only bad news and irrelevant news.
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You can do whatever you like but if I went on to another club's messageboard and started badmouthing their fans I wouldn't expect them to say "Gosh, you're right". I certainly wouldn't spend hours tying myself in knots with them.
I didn't "bad mouth" your fans, I said that the remains some resentment. If anything, that's a comment on ours. What followed was a lurch from some member to "defend" Villa fans from that initial line.
I think we have to accept that the majority of Newcastle fans aren't used to unsanitised, pre-Sky piss taking. The majority arrived with Sky and Keegan. Pre-Sky they were getting crowds as low as 9,000. And they wonder why we all laugh at them bragging about attendances.
I think you're elevating a pretty cringeworthy banner to a level it really doesn't deserve. I know full well that this Warhammer fan isn't much evidence of the "dry wit" of the brummie, I've met funny lads from your neck of the woods, this oddity with his banners isn't one of them. "Sob on the Tyne" isn't unsanitised, Pre-Sky piss-taking, it's just a pretty humourless behaviour from a fairly lonely individual. The few hardy souls that made it up on Monday night were immeasurably wittier than that chump. I think I have to repeat; the problem wasn't with content on the bedsheets which was embarrassing but then not everyone has a Noel Coward-esque wit, it wasn't the "Going down" chants that are fair game, it was the effort Villa fans* put in to lord it over non-rivals' relegation. Never seen anyone go to that effort before or since.
Since then it's been over-reactions, misdirected frustrations, an effort by local media (on both sides) to fan flames to get clicks, the current state of social media where the considered moderate opinion is lost amongst a cacophony of extreme opinions howled into a void and so on.
As an aside, I see you're trotting out the mackem's "Keegan Bandwagon" line. The claim that glory hunters swelled our ranks in the 90s is daft (especially when the accusation comes from a fan of sunderland as their numbers increased with the advent of Sky by a greater proportion than our own). All top flight clubs benefited from the re-branding of the English game. Since those heady days of not winning anything, we've had another 20yrs of not winning anything, two relegations, shocking football, bad ownership, bad management, disconnect from the club. And despite all that, we still attract huge numbers to St James'.
There's plenty to mock Newcastle United and it's fans about, attendance isn't one of them.
*the fact that it was one sadsack has been lost to the narrative.
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I always go out of my way to say that I speak for no-one except myself. However, on this occasion I'll make an exception and say that I believe I speak for all of us when I say:
Fuck off you obsessive sadcase. The reason we laughed is exactly because of wankers like you. In fact, no matter how bad we are, wer'e still laughing at you now. So fuck off, and don't come back.
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And if anyone wants to talk "huge numbers" Newcastle went sixteen years without an average gate of thirty thousand. They finally managed it, quelle surprise, in their first Premier League season. Loyal as fuck, the Geordies.
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You seem pretty angry Dave, sorry for upsetting you.
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You seem pretty angry Dave, sorry for upsetting you.
I'll never be upset by something that gives me so much hilarity. Now fuck off and don't come back.
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You seem pretty angry Dave, sorry for upsetting you.
I'll never be upset by something that gives me so much hilarity. Now fuck off and don't come back.
You're definitely speaking for me, Dave.
I've been to St James' Park and it's a fucking crap stadium. I've always seen Newcastle as the Spurs of the North. All fart, no shit, with thuggish, cuntish fans. Though of course, Spurs are now actually a good team, so....
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You seem pretty angry Dave, sorry for upsetting you.
I'll never be upset by something that gives me so much hilarity. Now fuck off and don't come back.
Well, you certainly seem like you're furious. What with the swearing and antagonistic terms...
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Well I must say, returning to comment yet again having been told to fuck off strikes me as the behaviour of an unutterably sad individual. Possibly the saddest person we've ever had on here, and that's no mean feat. He'll probably respond to this now, just to prove the point.
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Jesus christ he's still babbling on and even going on about attendances now, stereo typical Geordie if ever there was one.
They have created this 'rivalry' with us to detract from the fact that they have been Sunderlands bitches for the best part of a decade.
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Know what I agree with him on one point, plenty of things to slag Newcastle off about if you were bothered but their attendances isn't one of them.
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Jesus christ he's still babbling on and even going on about attendances now, stereo typical Geordie if ever there was one.
They have created this 'rivalry' with us to detract from the fact that they have been Sunderlands bitches for the best part of a decade.
Couple of points;
I responded to an Aston Villa fans mention of attendances, I didn't bring them up.
This "rivalry" was created by one Aston Villa fan with too much time on his hands, then exaggerated by local media and twitter. Our sense of superiority over Sunderland can handle relegation and even an embarrassing string of defeats, we're always going to think that way, just as you'll feel superior to West Brom and Birmingham regardless of league positions.
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I certainly feel superior to you.
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Jesus christ he's still babbling on and even going on about attendances now, stereo typical Geordie if ever there was one.
They have created this 'rivalry' with us to detract from the fact that they have been Sunderlands bitches for the best part of a decade.
Couple of points;
I responded to an Aston Villa fans mention of attendances, I didn't bring them up.
This "rivalry" was created by one Aston Villa fan with too much time on his hands, then exaggerated by local media and twitter. Our sense of superiority over Sunderland can handle relegation and even an embarrassing string of defeats, we're always going to think that way, just as you'll feel superior to West Brom and Birmingham regardless of league positions.
All this over one banner by probably one fan. Honestly, get a grip.
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Fish back on here?
One question to you if you haven't been banned again....surely beating us 6-0 in your first game back in August 2010 was enough.
I'm bemused that the bitterness still lingers...last season was just amusing given how abysmal we were and you still couldn't win but I really can't believe the stuff from 2009 is still lingering on, it's been nearly 8 years now and we're in a much worse state than you now.
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Fish back on here?
One question to you if you haven't been banned again....surely beating us 6-0 in your first game back in August 2010 was enough.
I'm bemused that the bitterness still lingers...last season was just amusing given how abysmal we were and you still couldn't win but I really can't believe the stuff from 2009 is still lingering on, it's been nearly 8 years now and we're in a much worse state than you now.
Probably would have been had we not been relegated at your gaff again.
But as I've said a few times, the "rivalry" is kept going by a few fans on both sides, by the local media (which in turn incites a few more fans) on both sides and so on. It can't be a shock that football fans hold a grudge. e.g. Sunderland fans must be alone in celebrating the travails at Coventry, but they'll never forgive them.
"Best-known these days as a veteran TV pundit, Hill was chairman of Coventry City in 1976-77 when three teams went into the last day of the campaign facing relegation – Sunderland, Bristol City and Coventry.
Hill had the kick-off at the Coventry-Bristol City game delayed for 15 minutes because of "crowd congestion" and when news came through that Sunderland had lost to Everton, he had the result announced over the tannoy.
That sent the message to both teams that – provided neither scored – they would stay up at Sunderland's expense and what followed was a farcical passage of play in which neither side attempted to win.
Hill was reprimanded by the Football Association, but Sunderland's relegation still stood."
So you may raise an eyebrow at 9yrs, but this example is 40yrs in the making. There'll be match attending kids who's Dad wasn't even directly affected by that incident, those kids will absolutely hate Coventry and have no real idea why.
Brighton and Palace hate each other with the heat of a thousand suns because Terry Venables and Alan Mullery didn't really get on at Spurs and they competed for the league 40 years ago.
There's certainly a few more as well http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/chris-whiting/obscure-football-rivalries_b_4185119.html
Certainly in this day and age, there's an appetite for "narratives" in the media. So exaggerating a resentment
will get visits to your site, so you can sell advert space, so you can keep the lights on without having to do any real, actual journalism.
It's all a bit silly and all a bit of a laugh. What it isn't is a fanbase-wide lack of humour, or evidence of bitterness or any sweeping generalisation like that.
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Know what I agree with him on one point, plenty of things to slag Newcastle off about if you were bothered but their attendances isn't one of them.
Certainly not since Sky invented football.
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Newcastle have always had decent support for a Scottish club but their blind refusal to admit how much it was dropping until Keegan was appointed gets a bit tedious. Ground held less than 30K and was rarely two thirds full. Within a few years 20,000 extra people suddenly realised they'd always loved Newcastle.
Still, average attendances look great in their trophy cabinet, meanwhile i'll look in ours at the trophies i've seen Villa win.
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Newcastle have always had decent support for a Scottish club but their blind refusal to admit how much it was dropping until Keegan was appointed gets a bit tedious. Ground held less than 30K and was rarely two thirds full. Within a few years 20,000 extra people suddenly realised they'd always loved Newcastle.
Still, average attendances look great in their trophy cabinet, meanwhile i'll look in ours at the trophies i've seen Villa win.
;D
I love a bit of recycled talkSport/606 clichéd nonsense too.
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Newcastle have always had decent support for a Scottish club but their blind refusal to admit how much it was dropping until Keegan was appointed gets a bit tedious. Ground held less than 30K and was rarely two thirds full. Within a few years 20,000 extra people suddenly realised they'd always loved Newcastle.
Still, average attendances look great in their trophy cabinet, meanwhile i'll look in ours at the trophies i've seen Villa win.
;D
I love a bit of recycled talkSport/606 clichéd nonsense too.
The link below has some good stats on your attendances pre Sky
http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/newu.htm
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The link below has some good stats on your attendances pre Sky
http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/newu.htm
Thanks for that, and while bearing in mind I didn't bring up attendances, according to that site I found the following;
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5b8S6lXQAEN3Ef.jpg)
Both clubs have had periods with lower attendances than their norm, and both clubs have had reasons for that. Historically neither club have dipped below 20k often, and after the advent of Sky, neither have seen average gates dip below that figure at all.
Pre-Sky attendances were over 20k more than 80% of the time. And Newcastle's gates were higher than 30k more than 40% of the time. Villa's weren't far behind and this will include periods where the stadiums couldn't hold more than 30 and reactions to the Bradford fire, hooliganism etc.
Oh, but bear in mind that site has attendance figures for Newcastle going back to 1894 (2yrs after their founding) but they only have figures going back to 1889 for Villa (15yrs after their founding) so it's not a full picture I'm afraid.
It's wrong to say that Newcastle rank's were swollen because of Sky or Keegan. It's more accurate to say it's been a well supported club for over a hundred years with the occasional variance from that norm.
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This thread is still going to be active in 2026, isn't it?
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I get the Fish's comments re attendances.
You can throw criticism of Newcastle for various reasons, but they have generally had decent attendances in my lifetime - more so in the past 20 years mind, as the ground has been expanded. Factor in the failure to win a trophy since that Fairs Cup in 1970 (i think), with only a few trips to Wembley, and it is very impressive.
For the Fish's benefit, we also relegated Newcastle around 1978-79 too. It was a midweek home game and IIRC we won 2-0, although they had been toast for a few weeks. The Evening Mail ran a story the next night about the group of fans who had travelled down in a minibus / van (remember those days of Kenning / Salford Van Hire?) and the Newcastle players heard of this and had a whip to pay for the petrol and van hire.
My best mate at university was a Geordie and we sporadically keep in touch about footie. The only criticism i could ever throw at him was after their 4-0 away at Cardiff around 1982. He was ecstatic and said "that will put 10k on the home gate next week". I didn't check to see if it did but found that strange.
This recent rivalry bemuses me somewhat as most Geordies i have met over the years have been decent fans. Had a chat with a few in the pub after our last home game in May and they bore us no grudge. They were more pissed off at Benitez and the lame attempt to beat us in a must win game for them.
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Jesus christ he's still babbling on and even going on about attendances now, stereo typical Geordie if ever there was one.
They have created this 'rivalry' with us to detract from the fact that they have been Sunderlands bitches for the best part of a decade.
Couple of points;
I responded to an Aston Villa fans mention of attendances, I didn't bring them up.
This "rivalry" was created by one Aston Villa fan with too much time on his hands, then exaggerated by local media and twitter. Our sense of superiority over Sunderland can handle relegation and even an embarrassing string of defeats, we're always going to think that way, just as you'll feel superior to West Brom and Birmingham regardless of league positions.
To be fair though, I've always considered Sunderland to be the biggest club up there, although i'm basing that on nothing other than how I've always viewed it, but even now thinking of it logically theres not much between the two of you, certainly not for enough to hold a sense of superiority over them.
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It's wrong to say that Newcastle rank's were swollen because of Sky or Keegan. It's more accurate to say it's been a well supported club for over a hundred years with the occasional variance from that norm.
Have it anyway you want but it won't erase the fact you attendances were well down, dropping to just over 9,000 before Keegan and Sky arrived.
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1991 (Pre-Keegan) Av att 17K. 3 years later it's 34K. The season Keegan arrived 20K gates a rarity, 13K v Cambridge, 15-17K the norm. Still don't let facts get in the way of claiming it's a cliche, and keep on denying 10-15K suddenly remembered they supported Newcastle the second Keegan walked through the door.
As I said, they'll come up with any old excuse to rewrite history.
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I don't get why the past three times the horse punching masses have gathered outside the away end to do a collective hold me back routine.
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1991 (Pre-Keegan) Av att 17K. 3 years later it's 34K. The season Keegan arrived 20K gates a rarity, 13K v Cambridge, 15-17K the norm. Still don't let facts get in the way of claiming it's a cliche, and keep on denying 10-15K suddenly remembered they supported Newcastle the second Keegan walked through the door.
As I said, they'll come up with any old excuse to rewrite history.
1991 Avg 17k and I'm guessing you'll dismiss any context.
8yrs preceding it were crowds of >20k average, before that there were 2 years of low attendance (where you'll likely dismiss context) which followed another long stretch of big crowds.
But lets not facts get in the way of your prejudice ;D .
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5qj9zBXMAEwHqw.jpg)
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To be fair though, I've always considered Sunderland to be the biggest club up there, although i'm basing that on nothing other than how I've always viewed it, but even now thinking of it logically theres not much between the two of you, certainly not for enough to hold a sense of superiority over them.
A lot of that is my age, for the overwhelming majority of my life we've done better than them (without winning anything ::) ). We have legitimately challenged for the top flight title a few times, we've played and beaten giants of European football, we've made it to cup finals (and downed tools), we've see some top class footballers pull on our shirt and we've generally finished above Sunderland in the league.
They're knowledgeable and passionate, with a proud history and a fanbase that turns up in numbers not too dissimilar to our own, despite seeing nowt but disappointment on the pitch for decades, they're a "big" club. But I will always feel like Newcastle are the bigger club, mostly because I'm a Newcastle fan.
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Alright, you're bigger than Sunderland. Now go and bore somewhere else.
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Well that's told me because those attendances don't in any way show that 10-15K appeared (or reappeared) the second Keegan walked through the door.
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Well that's told me because those attendances don't in any way show that 10-15K appeared (or reappeared) the second Keegan walked through the door.
It shows that those low attendances were aberrant, rather than the norm, which was your implication. I'm happy I was able to explain that for you. :)
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No it doesn't, in only two seasons from 1978 to 1992 did you break 25,000 average attendance, and immediately prior to Sky inventing Modern Football ad Keegan arrived you dipped to 16 and 21 thousand, this isn't an aberration, it's nigh on 15 years of poor crowds until Sky and Keegan. That you can't see the coincidence isn't our fault.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6AS-KWWAAIF0Cq.jpg)
What I see is the average attendances of two clubs fluctuating a bit thanks to on and off-field circumstances, but both growing over time. I see attendances dropping in the 60's through to the 80s (probably a reaction to a flagging economy and rising hooliganism) followed by a resurgence in the 90s and beyond. To claim Newcastle United are unusual in seeing a rise in support in the 90s is a bit silly. Most clubs saw attendances rise, ours came at the same time as our dalliance with the top flight title allowing fans of other clubs will blindly dismiss them as glory supporters. Which is further proven to be misguided by attendances that haven't significantly fallen despite 2 relegations, a hated owner and zero trophies since that all-to-brief adventure.
I get that people like to have easily digestible, easily repeated reasons to criticise other clubs, but criticising Newcastle on their attendances is daft.
For what it's worth, St James' was expanded in 1993 and again 2000.
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This thread is still going to be active in 2026, isn't it?
Looks like I was right.
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The sad obsessed Scot has even made a graph rather than admit that immediately before Keegan arrived their support was shit and immediately he arrived it improved massively. Told you they'd do anything rather than admit it.
/graphwanker
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As a rule most clubs' crowds go up the better they do. Most clubs, though, tend not to claim their supporters are better than everyone else.
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Well that's told me because those attendances don't in any way show that 10-15K appeared (or reappeared) the second Keegan walked through the door.
It shows that those low attendances were aberrant, rather than the norm, which was your implication. I'm happy I was able to explain that for you. :)
Four months before Keegan arrived attendances were down to 9,197. The last league game at Sid James before Keegan arrived was 15,663. King Kev's home debut was almost double with 29,263. Either Bristol City took a massive following up there that day or lots of Geordies suddenly remembered where Strawberry Place was.
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I mean, so? Before Keegan, after Keegan, still doesn't mean that they don't pull in the crowds.
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For what it's worth, St James' was expanded in 1993 and again 2000.
You mean the Sports Direct Arena. Please be respectful and use its proper name.
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As a rule most clubs' crowds go up the better they do. Most clubs, though, tend not to claim their supporters are better than everyone else.
Yes, they really do.
They also claim their team is "by far the greatest team, the world has ever seen."
I've explained why attendances spiked, but it seems there's a couple on here who'd rather rattle off tiresome clichés than have an actual discussion.
They probably think all Man Utd fans are from Surrey and all Arsenal fans are more interested in balance sheets. ::)
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This thread is still going to be active in 2026, isn't it?
Looks like I was right.
You are, although I reckon you'd still be right if you'd said 2126. I think Fish is building a time machine to aid his pathological need to always have the last word. I fully expect him to post on the centenary of his invitation to fuck off.
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When did the truth become a tiresome cliché?
So let's have a discussion. Villa or Newcastle - which is the bigger club, and why?
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If you want to dispel the 'myths' or 'clichés' there's a very very easy way to prove i'm wrong. Post the last 10 league attendances before Keegan was manager, and the first 10 after his appointment.
No graph bollocks, no excuses, nothing but those 20 attendance figures.
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If you want to dispel the 'myths' or 'clichés' there's a very very easy way to prove i'm wrong. Post the last 10 league attendances before Keegan was manager, and the first 10 after his appointment.
No graph bollocks, no excuses, nothing but those 20 attendance figures.
Have you ever heard of the term "Logical Fallacy". If not here's a helpful guide. I've linked to the problem with any reply to your question. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-texas-sharpshooter (https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-texas-sharpshooter)
When did the truth become a tiresome cliché?
So let's have a discussion. Villa or Newcastle - which is the bigger club, and why?
When it's not the whole truth and it's a cherry picked argument to win those oh-so-precious internet points.
Big club debates are as boring as they are futile.
What makes a big club?
It's trophies, ok but only "major" cups, ok but actually only FA Cups not League cups, ok not cups only league titles, ok but only English league titles. Actually it's turnover, no actually it's profit, no wait it's net profit. Actually it's fanbase, no it's fanbase within the uk, per capita of metropolitan area, divided by number of clubs. Actually it's attendance, but away attendance not home attendance, away attendance in the cups. Surely it's social media footprint, but only twitter, not facebook.
Pointless and boring.
Everyone knows there are truly elite clubs like Barcelona, Man Utd etc. then there's another group like Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City et al, then there's another group including Everton, Newcastle, Spurs and Villa, and so on and so forth. The arbitrary criteria for each tier can change within a season, the gaps between tiers blur, and the importance of being seen as a big club waxes and wanes as on-field performances falter and improve. Last season no Spurs fan cared if they were considered a big club, and yet it's all that's mattered to Leeds fans for over a decade.
You can argue til you're blue in the face whether Everton are bigger than Spurs, but it will never be resolved and the people who fixate on it (and there are guilty parties at every club) are the lads you avoid in the pub.
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Well I am surprised you wouldn't post those 20 attendance figures.
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Well I am surprised you wouldn't post those 20 attendance figures.
Did you read why? ::)
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Yes, it was you doing your usual trick.
You could always post the numbers i've asked for so as it doesn't look like you are avoiding it but we all know you won't.
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Does it matter? The point being that they've got attendances that are pretty much the envy or everyone bar a few teams. Even man City with their billions can't attract the same crowds. I really have never got this argument - it was the same when the Shit or the Albion fans saying we were only as good as were were because we had Benteke. Well, yes, but we did have him. That was the point. Same for their attendances. Whether they were crap before Keegan or after Keegan it's irrelevant. They do get good attendances.
Sunderland used to come down in far larger numbers than Newcastle. But whatever you may accuse them of - and they are fannies (Sorry Fish) who go on a bit, it's just as tiresome hearing the same old 'Yes you have got fantastic support. But only in the last 20 years so it doesn't count'.
Where I disagree with Fish - and this is very much with villa eyes. But I'd put us, Everton, and Tottenham in the same bracket. man City until their money were in there. Newcastle just under there with Sunderland and Leeds. But, its arguable and they would see it differently. Oh, and while we're at it it was funny when we helped relegate Newcastle twice, and yes they do take themselves far too seriously, and no the rest of the country aren't easily impressed by the shiny stadium (bit grey though innit) but I quite like them. (Well the Newcastle they were, not are).
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No one has said they haven't hadn't good support in the past or now. They have and they do. My issue with him is that he claims this is some kind of cliche when anyone around in those days knows it's true. The numbers exist to prove it. As I said in this post, they'll do anything but admit it, and it gets tedious how they'll try anything to avoiding admitting it, which is exactly what he keeps doing.
Newcastle have always had decent support for a Scottish club but their blind refusal to admit how much it was dropping until Keegan was appointed gets a bit tedious. Ground held less than 30K and was rarely two thirds full.
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If you want to dispel the 'myths' or 'clichés' there's a very very easy way to prove i'm wrong. Post the last 10 league attendances before Keegan was manager, and the first 10 after his appointment.
No graph bollocks, no excuses, nothing but those 20 attendance figures.
Have you ever heard of the term "Logical Fallacy". If not here's a helpful guide. I've linked to the problem with any reply to your question. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-texas-sharpshooter (https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-texas-sharpshooter)
When did the truth become a tiresome cliché?
So let's have a discussion. Villa or Newcastle - which is the bigger club, and why?
When it's not the whole truth and it's a cherry picked argument to win those oh-so-precious internet points.
Big club debates are as boring as they are futile.
What makes a big club?
It's trophies, ok but only "major" cups, ok but actually only FA Cups not League cups, ok not cups only league titles, ok but only English league titles. Actually it's turnover, no actually it's profit, no wait it's net profit. Actually it's fanbase, no it's fanbase within the uk, per capita of metropolitan area, divided by number of clubs. Actually it's attendance, but away attendance not home attendance, away attendance in the cups. Surely it's social media footprint, but only twitter, not facebook.
Pointless and boring.
Everyone knows there are truly elite clubs like Barcelona, Man Utd etc. then there's another group like Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City et al, then there's another group including Everton, Newcastle, Spurs and Villa, and so on and so forth. The arbitrary criteria for each tier can change within a season, the gaps between tiers blur, and the importance of being seen as a big club waxes and wanes as on-field performances falter and improve. Last season no Spurs fan cared if they were considered a big club, and yet it's all that's mattered to Leeds fans for over a decade.
You can argue til you're blue in the face whether Everton are bigger than Spurs, but it will never be resolved and the people who fixate on it (and there are guilty parties at every club) are the lads you avoid in the pub.
And that's your idea of a discussion? Facts are tiresome cliches and everything else is pointless and boring.
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Fucking hell, I have only just noticed this is still going. Has he answered about the pavement dancing idiots yet?
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No one has said they haven't hadn't good support in the past or now. They have and they do. My issue with him is that he claims this is some kind of cliche when anyone around in those days knows it's true. The numbers exist to prove it. As I said in this post, they'll do anything but admit it, and it gets tedious how they'll try anything to avoiding admitting it, which is exactly what he keeps doing.
Newcastle have always had decent support for a Scottish club but their blind refusal to admit how much it was dropping until Keegan was appointed gets a bit tedious. Ground held less than 30K and was rarely two thirds full.
There isn't a blind refusal to admit it, I even posted a handy little graph to prove that attendances fluctuated. The cliche is to suggest that Newcastle are alone in experiencing peaks and troughs in attendances because of on and off-field matters. Literally every club sees the same, even Aston Villa.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6AS-KWWAAIF0Cq.jpg)
See? peaks and troughs. ;)
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And that's your idea of a discussion? Facts are tiresome cliches and everything else is pointless and boring.
My idea of a discussion? No, it's highlighting the total futility of the discussion. You will have an entrenched idea about what makes a big club and there isn't anything that anyone can do to dissuade you from that view, ergo pointless and boring.
cliches are cliches, to demand someone answer a point without allowing full explanation is because the whole truth ruins/dilutes your argument, to engage in discussions where a subjective view is seen as an absolute is pointless and boring. It's like trying to argue science v religion.
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No one has said they are unique with peaks and troughs. Most clubs had the troughs in the mid 80s and then had a constant and steady increase over the next decade or so.
Where Newcastle differ is attendances doubling overnight because a manager is appointed. Which they did. But you won't admit it. As I predicted 2 weeks ago in my first post on the subject.
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You've not answered anything, you've dodged every question, come up with some unfathomable nonsense and generally acted like a typical Newcastle 'world revolves around us' clown. You've been good to laugh at but your usefulness has been outlived so go and bone somewhere else. I promise you can come back when Newcastle have won a trophy.
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For the statistically inclined:
Attendance (average) records per club
http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub
Villa:
http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/astv.htm
Newcastle:
http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/newu.htm
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No one has said they are unique with peaks and troughs. Most clubs had the troughs in the mid 80s and then had a constant and steady increase over the next decade or so.
Where Newcastle differ is attendances doubling overnight because a manager is appointed. Which they did. But you won't admit it. As I predicted 2 weeks ago in my first post on the subject.
Our spike in attendances in the 90s coincided with a few things (Keegan and Sir John Hall rescuing our club, rebirth of national interest in the game post-hooliganism, Sky, etc.) and looks almost identical to your own (using the stats that Weedy helpfully links to above). Was your own increase due to only one variable? Or was it because of a host of reasons?
It's churlish to imply that Newcastle fans only returned because their on-field fortunes improved. That suggests that pre-Keegan we weren't well attended. Also, if our attendances were intrinsically linked to "success", wouldn't we have seen a drop off in the years of decline after he left?
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Ours was a gradual increase over the course of approx a decade from the low of the mid 80s to the mid 90s, same as a lot of other clubs, mostly for the reasons you have given, I don't disagree with any of that. But they didn't double overnight which was my point. Whether it was old fans returning or new fans starting, overnight Newcastle went from around 13-17K every week to 28-29K every week. We went from 13-17K to 29K+ over the course of 7 years.
It's not a cliche or anything else you've spent a couple of weeks claiming, it wasn't because of Sky (it was 18 months before them), or post hooliganism or the national interest increasing as the rise i'm talking about was instantaneous not a gradual increase like us or other clubs. It was purely because of one thing, Keegan (and Hall if you like) turned up.
I just don't get why it's so hard for you, or other Newcastle fans, to admit.
Our attendances went to shit in the mid 80s and improved massively over the next decade. It really is easy to admit. If they'd doubled overnight because we appointed SGT or BFR i'd have no problem admitting that either.
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This thread is still going to be active in 2026, isn't it?
Looks like I was right.
2032.
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Ours was a gradual increase over the course of approx a decade from the low of the mid 80s to the mid 90s, same as a lot of other clubs, mostly for the reasons you have given, I don't disagree with any of that. But they didn't double overnight which was my point. Whether it was old fans returning or new fans starting, overnight Newcastle went from around 13-17K every week to 28-29K every week. We went from 13-17K to 29K+ over the course of 7 years.
It's not a cliche or anything else you've spent a couple of weeks claiming, it wasn't because of Sky (it was 18 months before them), or post hooliganism or the national interest increasing as the rise i'm talking about was instantaneous not a gradual increase like us or other clubs. It was purely because of one thing, Keegan (and Hall if you like) turned up.
I just don't get why it's so hard for you, or other Newcastle fans, to admit.
Our attendances went to shit in the mid 80s and improved massively over the next decade. It really is easy to admit. If they'd doubled overnight because we appointed SGT or BFR i'd have no problem admitting that either.
The reason I won't accept that is because it doesn't show the whole picture. Keegan took over in 92, after a season where avg attendance was at it's lowest (c17k) and it increased by 30% to c21k, which was the same avg attendance the club saw the year before Keegan took over.
St James' was extended in 1993, Newcastle were on the up, and all the other myriad factors contributed to the rise in attendances.
It seems like you're trying to paint a picture of fickle or disloyal fans, which patently isn't true.
Was Keegan and Hall a contributory factor in the rise in our attendances? Sure, but they weren't the only reason, nor necessarily the key reason, so I'm not sure why you're obsessed with demanding Geordies "admit" it?
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Well it only rose to 21K because from Feb on you were pulling 25-29K instead of the 13-17K you had been for well over a year. I wonder what happened in Feb that caused that sudden increase. Any ideas?
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Well it only rose to 21K because from Feb on you were pulling 25-29K instead of the 13-17K you had been for well over a year. I wonder what happened in Feb that caused that sudden increase. Any ideas?
Genuine question, why are you obsessed with 6 months of another clubs history? ;D
You honestly seem to be implying that Keegan being part of the reason that attendances returned to normal growth is a bad thing? Big crowds before, big crowds during, big crowds after. But you're focussed on, what, 6 months or so? A period where the club was in the depths of turmoil, both on the pitch and more importantly in the boardroom. Once Sir John Hall wrested control from the others he was able to put money into the coffers to go some way to reverse the impression that NUFC were a selling club.
Basically there'd been years of decline and neglect, then all of a sudden we had an owner who loved the club and was ambitious, a club legend managing us and a host of exciting new players. Of course some of the supporters who'd vowed to stay away until changes were made came back. But you crack on implying that we're fairweather fans if it makes your trousers tent ::)
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Well it only rose to 21K because from Feb on you were pulling 25-29K instead of the 13-17K you had been for well over a year. I wonder what happened in Feb that caused that sudden increase. Any ideas?
Genuine question, why are you obsessed with 6 months of another clubs history? ;D
You honestly seem to be implying that Keegan being part of the reason that attendances returned to normal growth is a bad thing? Big crowds before, big crowds during, big crowds after. But you're focussed on, what, 6 months or so? A period where the club was in the depths of turmoil, both on the pitch and more importantly in the boardroom. Once Sir John Hall wrested control from the others he was able to put money into the coffers to go some way to reverse the impression that NUFC were a selling club.
Basically there'd been years of decline and neglect, then all of a sudden we had an owner who loved the club and was ambitious, a club legend managing us and a host of exciting new players. Of course some of the supporters who'd vowed to stay away until changes were made came back. But you crack on implying that we're fairweather fans if it makes your trousers tent ::)
You're on very thin ice talking about someone else's obsessions. Now fuck off away and punch a horse or jump up and down outside an away end or whatever it is you and the greetest merst loyal supporters the world as ever ad do to prove how greet you are.
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I'm not the one that's spent 15 hours on another team's forum and then told them they are ones obsessed. I also never said it was a bad thing, I simply said, and you have confirmed it for about 2 weeks now, that it's tedious how Newcastle fans won't admit it. No one would give a shit about it if you did.
You crack on telling yourself it was Sky even though they weren't around, keep telling yourself it was only 6 months when it was longer, and the myriad of other excuses you and every Newcastle fan comes out with. Meanwhile i'll crack on with being obsessed about Newcastle by not posting on their fan sites.
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You're on very thin ice talking about someone else's obsessions. Now fuck off away and punch a horse or jump up and down outside an away end or whatever it is you and the greetest merst loyal supporters the world as ever ad do to prove how greet you are.
Well that's some terrific banter there, well done. ;D
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I'm not the one that's spent 15 hours on another team's forum and then told them they are ones obsessed. I also never said it was a bad thing, I simply said, and you have confirmed it for about 2 weeks now, that it's tedious how Newcastle fans won't admit it. No one would give a shit about it if you did.
You crack on telling yourself it was Sky even though they weren't around, keep telling yourself it was only 6 months when it was longer, and the myriad of other excuses you and every Newcastle fan comes out with. Meanwhile i'll crack on with being obsessed about Newcastle by not posting on their fan sites.
I haven't told "them" they're obsessed. Just curious why this part of another club's history rankles you so? I mean, it must do. You must have spoken to loads of Newcastle fans about this particular topic to have the opinion.
End of the day I've happily agreed Keegan was part of the reason our attendances spiked, but you seem to need to see a Newcastle fan say that Keegan's return dragged the crowds back to a deserted St James' park regardless of the broader context.
I, for one, have no idea why this would bother you so much, but spending a couple of minutes to reply to your assertions isn't really a mark of obsession, just exercising my right of reply.
Why did your attendances drop in the 80s? Only to recover in the 90s? Bet it was a host of reasons, right? Because it's a complex question that cannot simply be attributed to 1 facet? Nah, it must have just been one thing. ::)
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You've spent 15 hours on a Villa site, not a couple of minutes here and there. And i've already answered that, I know that giving a straight answer must confuse you but look back, it's there.
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You've spent 15 hours on a Villa site, not a couple of minutes here and there. And i've already answered that, I know that giving a straight answer must confuse you but look back, it's there.
Well, all I can find is "Our attendances went to shit in the mid 80s and improved massively over the next decade. It really is easy to admit. If they'd doubled overnight because we appointed SGT or BFR i'd have no problem admitting that either."
Which doesn't explain why at all.
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Well it's there, try looking really hard.
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You're on very thin ice talking about someone else's obsessions. Now fuck off away and punch a horse or jump up and down outside an away end or whatever it is you and the greetest merst loyal supporters the world as ever ad do to prove how greet you are.
Well that's some terrific banter there, well done. ;D
I don't do banter. I do telling tedious idiots to fuck off.
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You're on very thin ice talking about someone else's obsessions. Now fuck off away and punch a horse or jump up and down outside an away end or whatever it is you and the greetest merst loyal supporters the world as ever ad do to prove how greet you are.
Well that's some terrific banter there, well done. ;D
I don't do banter. I do telling tedious idiots to fuck off.
My brother-in-law's visiting next week. Can you come round and do the honours?
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You've not answered anything, you've dodged every question, come up with some unfathomable nonsense and generally acted like a typical Newcastle 'world revolves around us' clown. You've been good to laugh at but your usefulness has been outlived so go and bone somewhere else. I promise you can come back when Newcastle have won a trophy.
2036?
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Sports direct.com UK's number 1.
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Well it's there, try looking really hard.
Well, in the time you took to type that out you could have just linked to it. I mean, you know what you're looking for and if you can't be arsed to link it, you could have just repeated it?
I'm not sure why you wouldn't?
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Try really REALLY hard.
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Is he still fucking here?
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Try really REALLY hard.
;D I can't really be bothered to trawl through a thread for one post, when you could either link it (as you clearly know where it is) or you could just repeat it given it was your opinion so you should be able to bring it readily to mind?
All a bit childish really, isn't it?
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If this thread has taught me one thing, it's how much we still get under the skin of the most laughably self-important supporters in football.
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You only have to see the way the sad twats jump up and down outside the away end every time we play up there to see how obsessed the bitter tarts are.
Proper hold me back types, chucking coins and filming it from the safety of hiding behind stewards.