No ta Whats that song the Fulham lot sing to him about missing the target all the time a Dean Martin classic
Thats Amore ????
I'd rather we gave Delfounso a run in the team that spend big money on BZ.
I think the Fonz needs to be loaned to a Premiership club so he can play at this level week in week out but I cant see any team that would take him. Loaning him to the championship at this stage is pointless as he has been there before. Look at what it did for Cleverly & Wellbeck. Both had excellent loan spells.
I'd rather we gave Delfounso a run in the team that spend big money on BZ.Agree with this, Fonz is making a career of doing nothing at the moment.
I think the Fonz needs to be loaned to a Premiership club so he can play at this level week in week out but I cant see any team that would take him. Loaning him to the championship at this stage is pointless as he has been there before. Look at what it did for Cleverly & Wellbeck. Both had excellent loan spells.
An ok player, but has long spells where he either can't hit a cows arse with a banjo or is injured. He's 31 in a month, on a reported 50K a week and has 2.5 years left on his contract so would probably cost a reasonable fee as well. As such it's a resounding no for me.
Put it this way, he would make a better forward than Emile Heskey. Its just another option up front.
Put it this way, he would make a better forward than Emile Heskey. Its just another option up front.
Why, though?
Our problem isn't the players we have up front, and we have Weimann and Delfouneso as options.
Our problem is getting the ball to the strikers in the first place. Zamora will be looking at his last decent deal at his age, and will want good money. We just don't need him, I can't see us allocating wage resource there.
Yep, defo. I think Midfield is the area he will strengthen. I'd like to see another CM and another winger come in who can help supply Bent.
Yep, defo. I think Midfield is the area he will strengthen. I'd like to see another CM and another winger come in who can help supply Bent.
I would rather try and prise Dempsey away from them, probably out of our reach, a clever player, I have always liked him.
He's much improved, holds tye ball up as well as anyone in the country. Decent touch, strong and scores a few. It was mentioned on Sunday Supplement yesterday that a lot of the players unhappy with Jol's methods and Zomorra wanted to go but I'm not sure AM would want another striker just now.
Zamora is exactly the sort of signing I want us to keep away from. He'd cost about £6m and be on a massive wage, what's the point?
Zamora is exactly the sort of signing I want us to keep away from. He'd cost about £6m and be on a massive wage, what's the point?
Whatever we do need right now it is not yet another ageing journeyman at significant cost who will give variable mid-table service for a few years before departing for the square root of sod all by way of a fee.
Surely we should have learned something by now.
Whatever we do need right now it is not yet another ageing journeyman at significant cost who will give variable mid-table service for a few years before departing for the square root of sod all by way of a fee.
Surely we should have learned something by now.
Hmm, not sure I can agree Villanation. There would be a riot of the club sold Gabby and the club would know this. Can't see him wanting to leave either.
McLeish wants a central midfielder, one I think who is a box to box type goalscoring midfielder. He wants someone with Premiership experience.
Step forward Craig Gardner....
I can see it happening.
Hi Guys, when I made my first post earlier I should have introduced myself, first game back in 1966/67 when we were on our way down was there during the fightback and as passionate now as back then. I love the H @ V fanzine both in hard copy and online, I have been reading your comments for many many years without registering so thought its long overdue that I put my toe in the water with you regulars.
It can get a bit feisty on here and some of the big beasts on here can be a bit scary so be gentle with me, anyway as I posted earlier forget Zamora and go for Dempsey, he has a bit of Tim Cahill about him and could give us something different .
Hi Paulie you are one of the big beasts I was talking about so many thanks for the nice welcome.
£10 million for Zamora apparently(obviously purely press speculation). If we paid that we would be absolutely mental.
They seem to think that just because he wanted to sign a certain player for the noses that he would want the same at villa.
Hi Guys, when I made my first post earlier I should have introduced myself, first game back in 1966/67 when we were on our way down was there during the fightback and as passionate now as back then. I love the H @ V fanzine both in hard copy and online, I have been reading your comments for many many years without registering so thought its long overdue that I put my toe in the water with you regulars.
It can get a bit feisty on here and some of the big beasts on here can be a bit scary so be gentle with me, anyway as I posted earlier forget Zamora and go for Dempsey, he has a bit of Tim Cahill about him and could give us something different .
They seem to think that just because he wanted to sign a certain player for the noses that he would want the same at villa.
Charles N'Zogbia?
If we are seriously looking at Zamora its for a definite reason, its one of maybe two possibilities, first being Bent is on his way, despite what was said by Faulkner recently about Bent going nowhere (in actual fact that probably means he's nailed on to go) it clearly isn't working for him at the club, he will have been with us for 1 season come January and I hate to imagine what his goal tally will be for that season.
As a club we just seem so blinkered by signing PL players, why can't we have a go at unearthing some gems??
Like most would say no to BZ. Could look at Carlton Cole as the porn mongers in cheif need to lose some more players if we need a forward.
News on the Sky Sports grpevine is Joe Cole is looking to come back in the Summer.
Personally I think we need a CM too anyone with an attacking brain will do please
like everyone else big no to zamora. the kind of deal that has us in the mess that we are. Plus with Gabby and Bent we dont need him.
I expect Zamora and Robbie Keane to be heading up to Sunderland in the next few weeks.
It really isnt looking too good for either the Fonz or Weimann at Villa Park. Even with Gabby or Bent out we are likely to play an attacking midfielder rather than another striker.
Like most would say no to BZ. Could look at Carlton Cole as the porn mongers in cheif need to lose some more players if we need a forward.
News on the Sky Sports grpevine is Joe Cole is looking to come back in the Summer.
Personally I think we need a CM too anyone with an attacking brain will do please
I'm probably in the minority here, but I wouldn't say no to Cole as a short term loan.
Old King Cole before Joe and Carlton, please.Like most would say no to BZ. Could look at Carlton Cole as the porn mongers in cheif need to lose some more players if we need a forward.
News on the Sky Sports grpevine is Joe Cole is looking to come back in the Summer.
Personally I think we need a CM too anyone with an attacking brain will do please
I'm probably in the minority here, but I wouldn't say no to Cole as a short term loan.
Nat King Cole preferably :)
Old King Cole before Joe and Carlton, please.Like most would say no to BZ. Could look at Carlton Cole as the porn mongers in cheif need to lose some more players if we need a forward.
News on the Sky Sports grpevine is Joe Cole is looking to come back in the Summer.
Personally I think we need a CM too anyone with an attacking brain will do please
I'm probably in the minority here, but I wouldn't say no to Cole as a short term loan.
Nat King Cole preferably :)
cahill look odds on for chelsea. Coyle didn't even deny it in an interview a while back and they've stuck alex on the transfer list to make room. Unbelievable fuck up by the north-east messiahIndeed who the hell sanctioned that sale, all this time and it still angers me. As we can no longer afford our former trainee maybe we could get Alex or Chris Samba instead.
Hi Paulie you are one of the big beasts I was talking about so many thanks for the nice welcome.
Blimey you two, get a room
I would like us to take a punt on a virtually unknown from South America.Great, but no 'unknown' from that area will ever get a work permit.
If the club emailed Tim Vickery from World Soccer he would give them the names of 6 players who could do a job for us.
Just me then that thought Cahill looked a good deal worse on Saturday than either of the two we've currently got there?cahill look odds on for chelsea. Coyle didn't even deny it in an interview a while back and they've stuck alex on the transfer list to make room. Unbelievable fuck up by the north-east messiahIndeed who the hell sanctioned that sale, all this time and it still angers me. As we can no longer afford our former trainee maybe we could get Alex or Chris Samba instead.
I agree Dave he has been poor all season and had a shocker at Spurs (he didnt deserve to get sent off though), if he goes to Chelsea he will be on the bench anyway as AVB has stated that Luiz and Terry are his 1st choice pairigJust me then that thought Cahill looked a good deal worse on Saturday than either of the two we've currently got there?cahill look odds on for chelsea. Coyle didn't even deny it in an interview a while back and they've stuck alex on the transfer list to make room. Unbelievable fuck up by the north-east messiahIndeed who the hell sanctioned that sale, all this time and it still angers me. As we can no longer afford our former trainee maybe we could get Alex or Chris Samba instead.
Just me then that thought Cahill looked a good deal worse on Saturday than either of the two we've currently got there?cahill look odds on for chelsea. Coyle didn't even deny it in an interview a while back and they've stuck alex on the transfer list to make room. Unbelievable fuck up by the north-east messiahIndeed who the hell sanctioned that sale, all this time and it still angers me. As we can no longer afford our former trainee maybe we could get Alex or Chris Samba instead.
He must be doing something right in the other games to get the kind of attention he receives, but I must be honest and say I haven't seen it. During his time with us I liked him, and wanted to see him get more game time. But he was far from impeccable then either.That's pretty much where I am as well.
I've said it a few times now but he's definately got a bit of the Joleon Lescott about him were by because he'll knock in a few goals a season he's all of a sudden rated higher, his positioning in the oppositions box is better than his positioning in his own box.Just me then that thought Cahill looked a good deal worse on Saturday than either of the two we've currently got there?cahill look odds on for chelsea. Coyle didn't even deny it in an interview a while back and they've stuck alex on the transfer list to make room. Unbelievable fuck up by the north-east messiahIndeed who the hell sanctioned that sale, all this time and it still angers me. As we can no longer afford our former trainee maybe we could get Alex or Chris Samba instead.
Whether it's nerves playing his ex club, or the (frankly suicidal) high line Bolton always play against our forwards, he nearly always looks ropey against us.
He must be doing something right in the other games to get the kind of attention he receives, but I must be honest and say I haven't seen it. During his time with us I liked him, and wanted to see him get more game time. But he was far from impeccable then either.
I can't help but wonder if he wasn't the one that MON let get away and instead had spent his whole career playing for Bolton if there'd be such a love affair with him on here?The "love affair on here" is all down to the goal that he scored versus Blues, if he was as good as he thinks he is and some of the people on here then Fergie would have signed him instead of Phil Jones
I can't help but wonder if he wasn't the one that MON let get away and instead had spent his whole career playing for Bolton if there'd be such a love affair with him on here?The "love affair on here" is all down to the goal that he scored versus Blues, if he was as good as he thinks he is and some of the people on here then Fergie would have signed him instead of Phil Jones
yep. seems the england manager and possibly the chelsea manager think he's ok. The only possible love affair is those who can't stand to admit MON made a gigantic boo-boo. As for the current pair in our defence well if they were any good don't you think they'd be already gone to chelsea or similar given our "everything must go" policy, or in Dunne's case why did citeh sell him if he's better than Cahill?
yep. seems the england manager and possibly the chelsea manager think he's ok. The only possible love affair is those who can't stand to admit MON made a gigantic boo-boo.Would have been great to keep him when mental figures of £15m+ were being thrown around. He's certainly a decent defender and one who would be an asset, but in terms of bad decisions it was fairly inconsequential. Doesn't even compare to the Harewood and Heskey decisions in my opinion.
Hoilet would be a brilliant signing....
Spanish paper marca being reported as claiming we are interested in David Villa. I wish.
Not entirely convinced our budget could stretch to it but I'd like to see Bassong and Snodgrass in.
Hoilet would be a brilliant signing....
Spanish paper marca being reported as claiming we are interested in David Villa. I wish.
Who would you rather have Cahill or Samba, Samba for me every time, brilliant in the air and is no hoofer. Scores a fair few too.
Cahill is one of the most overrated players in England in my opinion. The English press love their blood-and-thunder, courageous, lionheart centre-halves and Cahill falls into this mould. He certainly has qualities and as we all know is capable of scoring a few goals.
You just have to look at how poor Bolton have been defensively this year to see he isn't a top rate defender. Ok, the players around him aren't up to much, but you would expect him to shine even more if he was that good. He has shown little or no leadership in anything I have seen of Bolton and many of their goals conceded have come from balls being delivered into an area in the box where you would expect a commanding centre half to deal with it.
If one of the big teams comes in for him, it will be a panic buy. He will need protecting, in a way like Terry, who has often looked poor when he hasn't had a Makelele type (a good one, not Mikel) in front of him or Carvalho/Desailly beside him.
Just have a fear Samba is an average player made to look good in a rubbish team.
Any move for Clyne is dependent of what the manager's opinion of Lichaj is.And whether he has the balls to accept that his summer signing is not quite cutting it.
Hoilet would be a brilliant signing....
Spanish paper marca being reported as claiming we are interested in David Villa. I wish.
Only if the Qatari royal family buyout rumour was true and probably not even then. Alas.
Any move for Clyne is dependent of what the manager's opinion of Lichaj is.And whether he has the balls to accept that his summer signing is not quite cutting it.
Still cant believe we bought Hutton , when we could have probably got 20 year old Clyne for under half the price .
Herd , Cuellar and Lichaj could have filled the spot until Clyne was back to fitness.
Still cant believe we bought Hutton , when we could have probably got 20 year old Clyne for under half the price .
Herd , Cuellar and Lichaj could have filled the spot until Clyne was back to fitness .
No to any more loan deals too. Lets bite the bullet and buy players. Sickening seeing Kyle Walker this season. Nowhere near the Spurs team, comes on loan to us and suddenly he is straight in. It is so small time its ridiculous.
Still cant believe we bought Hutton , when we could have probably got 20 year old Clyne for under half the price .
Herd , Cuellar and Lichaj could have filled the spot until Clyne was back to fitness .
Regardless of the fact he wanted to move back to London, I still can't understand the selling of Luke Young from Villa's point of view.
You lose a reliable first team regular; you bring in a squad player new to the team; you pay £4 million from a diminished transfer budget!
All to save Villa £10 grand a week?
Does anybody reckon we'd have a chance of getting Tiote from Newcastle?
Talk of Ashley might be willing to sell.
Not sure if its old - but this is at least a rumour of a higher calibre ;)
Villa to Villa (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2011/12/14/aston-villa-spanish-press-link-barcelona-s-david-villa-with-move-to-villa-park-97319-29951873/)
From the glimpse I had of today's B'ham Mail, the Fonz is not for sale and that he will be up front with Bent on Sunday.
So, reading between the lines, yes he is for sale but not at he silly offers made for him. "Go out on Sunday and make a name for yourself" and at the same time add a couple of million to the asking price.
I rate (David) Villa as one of the top 3 strikers in the world. And so will most of the largest, most ambitious, champions league playing clubs in the world.
From the glimpse I had of today's B'ham Mail, the Fonz is not for sale and that he will be up front with Bent on Sunday.
So, reading between the lines, yes he is for sale but not at he silly offers made for him. "Go out on Sunday and make a name for yourself" and at the same time add a couple of million to the asking price.
So, Grant has been talking up Delfouneso.
That means he'll be out on loan tomorrow.
regarding the David Villa rumour, I laughed so hard that I urinated a little.
regarding the David Villa rumour, I laughed so hard that I urinated a little.
I knew it was bollocks because its not just Villa , I heard Tevez wants to come too with David Villa ;)
regarding the David Villa rumour, I laughed so hard that I urinated a little.
I knew it was bollocks because its not just Villa , I heard Tevez wants to come too with David Villa ;)
I think some lazy journo overheard a conversation. It was a noisy bar and one bloke said to the other, "I heard David XXXX is going to Villa" What the journo heard was David **muffled sounds** and Villa and Bob's your uncle. I hope someone changes the Wiki page for David Villa so that he can be one of us even for one day.
Has there ever been a transfer rumour less likely to come true than David Villa to Aston Villa
"Stewart will be coming back with Liverpool and I'm looking forward to seeing him.
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"It will be good to see him again. I think he made the right move for himself and you can't argue with that. He's gone on to better himself as a player and become an established England international which he's doing at the minute.
He added: "One day I may have to leave, and that will be a sad day for me, but at the moment I am concentrating on playing well for Villa.
Marc on DJQuote"Stewart will be coming back with Liverpool and I'm looking forward to seeing him.
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"It will be good to see him again. I think he made the right move for himself and you can't argue with that. He's gone on to better himself as a player and become an established England international which he's doing at the minute.
Marc on leaving VillaQuoteHe added: "One day I may have to leave, and that will be a sad day for me, but at the moment I am concentrating on playing well for Villa.
Writing, meet Wall.
Yes there are bits he says about he wouldnt leave yet, loves the club. But still dont like seeing little comments like this from him.. Him, Gardner, Grealish and Gabby are my little hope for a Never-Leaving-Villa-Supporting Core to the team.
I note that MON has been linked with signing Jelavic from Rangers for £10m, bless.
Liverpool are bigger and better than us at the minute. That is undeniable.
McLeish plans £2m raid on Rangers
Villa boss McLeish will make a second attempt to sign Davis next month.
The Northern Ireland international spent three years with Villa before moving to Fulham in 2007.
McLeish wants the 26-year-old to add drive to his midfield and failed with a deadline-day bid in August.
He said: “We may do it even if no one goes out the door.”
He's ok, but is he any better than Bannan?
Davis is not good enough. Absolutely pointless if true. Just try and loan a better player rather than scratch around the bargain bin and incorporate some of the youngsters who are (potentially if not actually) better players.
Fuck me we can do better than this, surely?
It would be the sort of signing to keep us ticking over in midtable, not to sort to improve us at all.
Davis is not good enough. Absolutely pointless if true. Just try and loan a better player rather than scratch around the bargain bin and incorporate some of the youngsters who are (potentially if not actually) better players.
Fuck me we can do better than this, surely?
What I had to laugh at was the quote 'We may do this even if somebody doesn't go out of the door?'. That is a sad state of affairs, firstly he's average and secondly spending £2 million is seen as a really big deal.
As sad as it sounds, we are going to have to get used to signings like this for the foreseeable future and have to get used to finishing midtable. Randy has finally realised he made a mistake by giving MON the license to spend spend spend and now has left him and the club in the shit.
It would be the sort of signing to keep us ticking over in midtable, not to sort to improve us at all.
As sad as it sounds, we are going to have to get used to signings like this for the foreseeable future and have to get used to finishing midtable. Randy has finally realised he made a mistake by giving MON the license to spend spend spend and now has left him and the club in the shit.
Another recruit to the ranks of the drama queens.
Firstly, he's a decent player. Secondly, MON was never given a licence to spend, spend, spend - a net spend of around £80m over 4 years is not excessive when the club say their target was champions league football. Thirdly, we're not in the shit, we're in transition and having to rebuild after losing 4 first team regulars in the summer.
Lets get Zat Knight and Shorey back as well, or even Kevin Phillips?? (tounge firmly in cheek)
As sad as it sounds, we are going to have to get used to signings like this for the foreseeable future and have to get used to finishing midtable. Randy has finally realised he made a mistake by giving MON the license to spend spend spend and now has left him and the club in the shit.
Another recruit to the ranks of the drama queens.
Firstly, he's a decent player. Secondly, MON was never given a licence to spend, spend, spend - a net spend of around £80m over 4 years is not excessive when the club say their target was champions league football. Thirdly, we're not in the shit, we're in transition and having to rebuild after losing 4 first team regulars in the summer.
Drama queens? give it a rest mate.
Firstly, I never said Davis was shit nor did I say he was brilliant. I'm just questioning whether he has improved or not and also went on to say that I wouldnt be overly disappointed if we signed him. Secondly, yes we lost 4 first team regulars but are left with a number of high earners i.e. Heskey, Beye, Ireland (although may not be a MON signing), Cuellar who MON signed and their wage packets are eating into the clubs wage structure hence we cant afford to go out and buy "better" players as we have to start reducing the wage bill. Thirdly, we are kind of in the shit hence we have to get our books in order otherwise we could end up like Leeds (spending more than what we are bringing in!)
I can't help thinking that Davis is the kind of player Wolves would buy. I'd personally rather bring Makoun and Gardner into the squad.
I can't help thinking that Davis is the kind of player Wolves would buy. I'd personally rather bring Makoun and Gardner into the squad.
Problem we have is a lack of experience in the middle, Herd, Bannn and Delph have maybe 30 games between them at this level and Makoun and Gardner aren't going to change that.
For £2m it seems an ideal move for us.
Lets get Zat Knight and Shorey back as well, or even Kevin Phillips?? (tounge firmly in cheek)
Lets get Zat Knight and Shorey back as well, or even Kevin Phillips?? (tounge firmly in cheek)Should never have got rid of Kevin Phillips in the first place.
It would be the sort of signing to keep us ticking over in midtable, not to sort to improve us at all.Well it would be an improvement to see him in midfield rather than Heskey.
It's an area we are short in, particularly with Jenas gone and Petrov rumoured to be on the way out too. We might have hoped for far better a few years back. And we might return to those levels, either when the big earners doing nothing are finally off the wage bill or if RL sells up.
Davis will do in the meantime.
Overheard a conversation that suggests Peter Whittingham is on his way back to us.
It would be the sort of signing to keep us ticking over in midtable, not to sort to improve us at all.
Just checked, he actually signed Arteta for Rangers when he was 20 from Barca aswell.
Yes, there might have been mitigating circumstances for Martins and Hleb not working out, I agree, but they didn't work out. Then you have Zigic, who wasn't great either. May be that McLeish has decided he'd rather go for players he knows more about. Just my interpretation.
I'm not giddy with excitement if true, but it's hardly the end of the world either. £2m equates to 5 weeks of paying for Habib Beye to sit on his arse and do nothing. He's a bit more experienced now and maybe he can add something. It isn't a world beater signing, but we're not in that market right now. I would hope that there might be a more "flashy" loan deal or two out there as well.
Yes, there might have been mitigating circumstances for Martins and Hleb not working out, I agree, but they didn't work out. Then you have Zigic, who wasn't great either. May be that McLeish has decided he'd rather go for players he knows more about. Just my interpretation.
He didn't sign Zigic, the board did against his advice.
Overheard a conversation that suggests Peter Whittingham is on his way back to us.
Whittingham is a strange one. His scoring record is brilliant a level down to the point where I'm amazed nobody has taken a punt on him before now.
There is no chance Rangers will see us Steve Davis for £2million. He is their captain and has a 5 year contract.
Treble it and they may make a deal and even that is in light of their financial problems.
Not a bad player and has improved for regular football with them. My main concern is not his ability but the fact that he will be another person standing in the way of Gardner or Bannan.
Delph is still a kid and still learning. I think that's often overlooked. Plus he had an injury for a whole season that would end careers not so long ago so I think more slack is called for. Its not like he's had three complete seasons. More like sporadic spells in the side and has done alright. Yes he has to prove himself so lets not buy somebody we know isnt good enough and stick with some players we already own who might be.
Or get better players.
I think it is a reflection of how unimaginative we have become that we should chuck out Makoun as a total write off and consider re signing a player who has not improved since he left us and is at best a journeyman player. McLeish is so safety first and belt and braces in everything he does.
Diame, Jelavic and Dann/Samba will improve the spine of the side no end. Might not happen this Jan but we should try atleast for summer. Investment of about 25 m will be required. Diame might be needed to be brought in this Jan. Also i am sure by summer the following players will not be at villa,
OUT: Heskey, Cuellar, Beye, Ireland, Makoun, Jenas, Weimann and Lowry.
IN: Diame (5m), Dann/Samba (8m), Jelavic (10m), Donavon (season loan)
Diame, Jelavic and Dann/Samba will improve the spine of the side no end. Might not happen this Jan but we should try atleast for summer. Investment of about 25 m will be required. Diame might be needed to be brought in this Jan. Also i am sure by summer the following players will not be at villa,
OUT: Heskey, Cuellar, Beye, Ireland, Makoun, Jenas, Weimann and Lowry.
IN: Diame (5m), Dann/Samba (8m), Jelavic (10m), Donavon (season loan)
Maybe to first, yes to second, fuck no to third, nope to last. We don't only have to look at players who have played in England or the British Isles.
Am I the only one who has never seen anything in Diame that would me play him ahead of Herd or Delph, let alone actually spend money on him?
Getting rid of Makoun and bringing him in is ridiculous.
Getting rid of Makoun and bringing him in is ridiculous.
Yes, but he's had 7 games to prove himself in the Premiership, which apparantley is quite enough.
Getting rid of Makoun and bringing him in is ridiculous.
Yes, but he's had 7 games to prove himself in the Premiership, which apparantley is quite enough.
Can you Imagine Wenger moving Henry on after 7 games . Yes , I know he aint Henry but you get my point , some players need time , yet some players who are rubbish get plenty of time .
The whole Makoun thing was bonkers. I can only imagine AM had to lose a player's wages before he could bring someone in, and he was the only one he could shift
The fact we haven't given Makoun a proper chance is absolute madness.
The whole Makoun thing was bonkers. I can only imagine AM had to lose a player's wages before he could bring someone in, and he was the only one he could shift
It's obviously to do with wages. In an ideal world we'd have let him have more time but we're already doing that with several youngsters who we are having to assess as we go along. We need a few who are ready to play now. As it stands Petrov is our only experienced central midfield player, to think we can go through the season like that is the real madness.
Merson just said Villa would be ideal for Hoillett, but doubts we have any money. Probably about right.
Merson just said Villa would be ideal for Hoillett, but doubts we have any money. Probably about right.
I'd love him, the kid is a special talent, but spurs have been sniffing around.
Shame really look at what's happened to the likes of Pienaar and Kranjar.
Merson just said Villa would be ideal for Hoillett, but doubts we have any money. Probably about right.Might be better to look at Redmond if we think we need another wide player - at 17 and at the financially-titantic Birmingham, he would probably cost alot less than Hoilet
Might bMerson just said Villa would be ideal for Hoillett, but doubts we have any money. Probably about right.Might be better to look at Redmond if we think we need another wide player - at 17 and at the financially-titantic Birmingham, he would probably cost alot less than Hoilet
I think we will sign acouple of top names in January and than push on for a CL place ;DI'll have some of what you're on!
The whole Makoun thing was bonkers. I can only imagine AM had to lose a player's wages before he could bring someone in, and he was the only one he could shift
I think we will sign acouple of top names in January and than push on for a CL place ;D
Newcastle heading for a Tyne and Wear tug-of-war for Aston Villa's James Collins
Dec 18 2011 by Steve Bates, The People
NEWCASTLE are heading for a Tyne and Wear tug-of-war for Aston Villa defender James Collins.
Toon boss Alan Pardew is lining up a £5million January swoop for 28-year-old Welsh star Collins – but Sunderland are ready to enter the race, with Martin O’Neill hoping to snap up the centre-half for a second time.
Yet Villa chief Alex McLeish is desperate to hang on to his Wales centre-half, although he will let another defender, Shane Lowry, leave.
New Black Cats boss O’Neill signed Collins from West Ham in 2009 when he was boss at Villa Park and he is ready to pounce again for the defender who has 18 months left on his deal.
Although Collins recently spoke of his desire to extend his stay at Villa, Pardew and O’Neill believe they can tempt him to the north east.
Pardew has lost centre-back Steven Taylor for the rest of the season with a serious achilles injury and that has left Newcastle vulnerable with little top-grade defensive cover.
With money banked from the sales of Andy Carroll, Jose Enrique and Kevin Nolan, Pardew will try to persuade owner Mike Ashley to give him funds so the Toon can keep up their fine start to the campaign.
As PEOPLE SPORT reported last week, O’Neill is also keen on Spanish defender Carlos Cuellar, who is out of contract this summer and can leave Villa Park.
Who would have thought 3 months ago that Herd would keep our future stars Bannan & Delph out of the team? Shows how short we are of players that are up to playing every week in the Premiership.Isn't that a little harsh on Herd? - he's stepped up to the plate and delivered for the team consistently this season, both at RB and CMF. Credit where it's due, he's played well and released Petrov to better things.
It would be daft to sell Collins, can't see it happening.Well, it's difficult to see Collins going when - assuming Cuellar is on his way out - there is little likelihood of a replacement coming in.
I would sell Cuellar and Collins. The former is taking up wages never playing and the latter is fucking shit. Buy a centre half who can defend. A 22 year old Samba would be nice. The manager has to be backed or sacked, and the players who are simply not good enough at present have to be culled.
Steven Davis for 2 million quid is not the answer.
23 year old Samba cost Blackburn £450,000. Why do we never seem to manage deals like that anymore?
23 year old Samba cost Blackburn £450,000. Why do we never seem to manage deals like that anymore?
Mark Delaney is the last one I can remember.
It would be daft to sell Collins, can't see it happening.
It would be daft to sell Collins, can't see it happening.
I'm always a little bemused by the Collins bashing that goes on on here. Not a world beater, but a decent player and good value for the £5m we payed for him!
23 year old Samba cost Blackburn £450,000. Why do we never seem to manage deals like that anymore?
Mark Delaney is the last one I can remember.
Let's hoe Edna turns out to be as good.
I would cash in on Ireland, Delph and Cuellar ASAP.
It would be daft to sell Collins, can't see it happening.
I'm always a little bemused by the Collins bashing that goes on on here. Not a world beater, but a decent player and good value for the £5m we payed for him!
He's looked less than decent for most of this season. In fact, he has looked utterly rubbish.
Take a look at him wandering around the area cluelessly for Liverpool's first, for an example.
He's also the absolute worst at the "hoof it upfield, anywhere" thing we do so much.
23 year old Samba cost Blackburn £450,000. Why do we never seem to manage deals like that anymore?
Mark Delaney is the last one I can remember.
Let's hoe Edna turns out to be as good.
Looking forward to Enda coming in!
Collins had something in his first season here but that's evaporated. He now suffers from the worst affliction a centre half can suffer from; indecision. Its fatal in this league as any mistakes are punished. It's time to put Clark in and stick with him for a while. He has far more potential so we may as well see if he can do it.
There's no way Collins can justify his place on form in my opinion and McLeish said he'd change it. Well, change it then.
Unfortunately the entire defence apart from sporadic performances from Dunne is weak and we have little option to change it around.
Failing that, a galvanizing spirit could help but it seems these players have very little zest for a fight under this manager.
It's clear he doesn't believe we can compete with the likes of Liverpool at Villa Park or Spurs at White Hart Lane and so on and his players obviously agree.
At least that jerk who left us in the lurch could conjure some sort of spirit and motivation. It's terminally flat at Villa right now and a bit of gusto can compensate for a lack of ability. Can we expect some any time soon?
It's just not working and although it's not all his fault as it was beyond him from the begining, its has to be shaken up.
Collins had something in his first season here but that's evaporated. He now suffers from the worst affliction a centre half can suffer from; indecision. Its fatal in this league as any mistakes are punished. It's time to put Clark in and stick with him for a while. He has far more potential so we may as well see if he can do it.
There's no way Collins can justify his place on form in my opinion and McLeish said he'd change it. Well, change it then.
Unfortunately the entire defence apart from sporadic performances from Dunne is weak and we have little option to change it around.
Failing that, a galvanizing spirit could help but it seems these players have very little zest for a fight under this manager.
It's clear he doesn't believe we can compete with the likes of Liverpool at Villa Park or Spurs at White Hart Lane and so on and his players obviously agree.
At least that jerk who left us in the lurch could conjure some sort of spirit and motivation. It's terminally flat at Villa right now and a bit of gusto can compensate for a lack of ability. Can we expect some any time soon?
It's just not working and although it's not all his fault as it was beyond him from the begining, its has to be shaken up.
Bloody good assessment KG. Thought he had a really rough deal. He's obviously got some class and needs the chance to show it. He could be the very thing we miss in midfield!
As good as, probably better than Davis!
I'll take your word for it John. My point is if you add in all the players that were signed, and have been let go since DOL left then it does seem shocking we're roughly back where we started in terms of squad size and quality
I'll take your word for it John. My point is if you add in all the players that were signed, and have been let go since DOL left then it does seem shocking we're roughly back where we started in terms of squad size and quality
Not really when you consider the biggest signings, bar Bent, have all been sold on again for profits, with that money then not being re-invested. By that I'm thinking of the likes of Ash, Milner and Downing. Had we just spent that money again we'd be in a much stronger position.
Aston Villa are keen on bringing in Keith Andrews from Blackburn on a free transfer. people
Bruno Ecuele Manga is another player been mentioned in the Sunday Star
Not had a read through this thread but has the possibility of taking Kieron Dyer on loan for the rest of the season from QPR been mentioned?
I'll take your word for it John. My point is if you add in all the players that were signed, and have been let go since DOL left then it does seem shocking we're roughly back where we started in terms of squad size and quality
Not really when you consider the biggest signings, bar Bent, have all been sold on again for profits, with that money then not being re-invested. By that I'm thinking of the likes of Ash, Milner and Downing. Had we just spent that money again we'd be in a much stronger position.
but you're talking an original investment of what 30m in those three? Add up the other names and their cost. That's where the real money has been wasted.
Aston Villa are keen on bringing in Keith Andrews from Blackburn on a free transfer. people
Bruno Ecuele Manga is another player been mentioned in the Sunday Star
If the top one is true, we may as well give up.
Craig Gardener back on loan would not in any way surprise me....
I'll take your word for it John. My point is if you add in all the players that were signed, and have been let go since DOL left then it does seem shocking we're roughly back where we started in terms of squad size and quality
Not really when you consider the biggest signings, bar Bent, have all been sold on again for profits, with that money then not being re-invested. By that I'm thinking of the likes of Ash, Milner and Downing. Had we just spent that money again we'd be in a much stronger position.
but you're talking an original investment of what 30m in those three? Add up the other names and their cost. That's where the real money has been wasted.
Not sure what point you're getting at? I'm trying to evaluate the value of our present squad and what we should therefore be expecting from them.
Bent to QPR
Cuellar to Rangers with Davis coming the other way.
I'll take your word for it John. My point is if you add in all the players that were signed, and have been let go since DOL left then it does seem shocking we're roughly back where we started in terms of squad size and quality
Not really when you consider the biggest signings, bar Bent, have all been sold on again for profits, with that money then not being re-invested. By that I'm thinking of the likes of Ash, Milner and Downing. Had we just spent that money again we'd be in a much stronger position.
but you're talking an original investment of what 30m in those three? Add up the other names and their cost. That's where the real money has been wasted.
Not sure what point you're getting at? I'm trying to evaluate the value of our present squad and what we should therefore be expecting from them.
the point i'm getting at is in the short space of time from the end of DOL's reign to currently, many many millions has been invested in players and wages and we're not much better off for it, if at all. just the money spent on Davies, Sidwell, Warnock, Heskey, MFH, and Makoun, about 30m, would probably supply a first team for one of our rivals in the mediocrity league. And you could name another 6 players bought during that time that cost similar that were as pointless. And probably another 6.
Bent to QPR
Cuellar to Rangers with Davis coming the other way.
I can see Bent going to QPR. Perhaps Liverpool too if they can shift Carrol.
I'll take your word for it John. My point is if you add in all the players that were signed, and have been let go since DOL left then it does seem shocking we're roughly back where we started in terms of squad size and quality
Not really when you consider the biggest signings, bar Bent, have all been sold on again for profits, with that money then not being re-invested. By that I'm thinking of the likes of Ash, Milner and Downing. Had we just spent that money again we'd be in a much stronger position.
but you're talking an original investment of what 30m in those three? Add up the other names and their cost. That's where the real money has been wasted.
Not sure what point you're getting at? I'm trying to evaluate the value of our present squad and what we should therefore be expecting from them.
the point i'm getting at is in the short space of time from the end of DOL's reign to currently, many many millions has been invested in players and wages and we're not much better off for it, if at all. just the money spent on Davies, Sidwell, Warnock, Heskey, MFH, and Makoun, about 30m, would probably supply a first team for one of our rivals in the mediocrity league. And you could name another 6 players bought during that time that cost similar that were as pointless. And probably another 6.
But there's been a lot recouped aswell. Of course not everything was spent well, but I'd argue that the essential signings simply to stay in the division have got to be £5-£10m a year anyway. And £30m for a PL first team is relegation guaranteed, IMO.
But then we can argue the pros and cons of the signings for ages, the balance of those sold is best seen when you look and who's left and what they cost. Come to your own conclusions about their worth compared to the cost, but the cost is greatlt diminished from what has been spent, due to the sales.
I'd like us to get Jordan Rhodes from Huddersfield, the guy has it all to succeed at a higher level, big, strong, pace and the most impressive thing about him is his finishing is fantastic, granted I know that a striker is the least of our needs but I believe this guy is going to go on to big things and I may be out of touch with how much young strikers from league 1 cost but maybe £2m would get him.
Kris Boyd now without a club and available on a free. Just saying...
we need cover up front certainly. we're toothless if bent or gabby are unavailable. Fonz isn't good enough and i doubt he ever will be. I'm obviously not including Heskey as a striker for obvious reasons.
He believes Wickham has the talent and physique to fulfil the role Heskey played for him at Villa.
O’Neill said: “Without a doubt that would be nice. Connor has excellent natural ability. He is not just a sizeable centre forward up there for the sake of it."
I'd like us to get Jordan Rhodes from Huddersfield, the guy has it all to succeed at a higher level, big, strong, pace and the most impressive thing about him is his finishing is fantastic, granted I know that a striker is the least of our needs but I believe this guy is going to go on to big things and I may be out of touch with how much young strikers from league 1 cost but maybe £2m would get him.
Agree entirely about Rhodes, also think we should try to pick up Clyne from Palace, and Butterfield who we have been linked with in the Mirror seems quite impressive. If we've got to cut expenses, then getting in young, hungry talented players from the lower leagues seems a good place to start, will hopefully help us turn a profit in the future as well.
I'd like us to get Jordan Rhodes from Huddersfield, the guy has it all to succeed at a higher level, big, strong, pace and the most impressive thing about him is his finishing is fantastic, granted I know that a striker is the least of our needs but I believe this guy is going to go on to big things and I may be out of touch with how much young strikers from league 1 cost but maybe £2m would get him.
Agree entirely about Rhodes, also think we should try to pick up Clyne from Palace, and Butterfield who we have been linked with in the Mirror seems quite impressive. If we've got to cut expenses, then getting in young, hungry talented players from the lower leagues seems a good place to start, will hopefully help us turn a profit in the future as well.
I agree. I think a bit of a legacy of the MON era is that we signed a fair number of players who had "made it", at least from a financial sense, so their motivation is not what it could be. This problem is amplified because the guy that signed them has fucked off.
A good splattering of promising youngsters should increase the squad's determination in training and willingness to listen to the coach's instructions even if they do not break into the first team themselves.
Ozzjim mentioned it on another thread and i have to say i agree. Man for man we've now got a worse squad than DOL's, there's certainly less fight in some of the players. Even taking out the few pearl's MON signed its probably the worse return on 80m evoh.
Thing is i'm not sure i want AM spending anymore money to add to the disaster but you have to back him or sack him. And if you did sack him, who would trust Lerner not to employ another hoof merchant? Hard to work out what's the least bad option really?
says we are going to sign darren gibson on loan in the mail and mentions Diame again
You have to wonder about Gibson when he's still not getting near the Man Ure first team despite all their recent injuries.
The only thing Gibson can do is hit the very occasional screamer and that's it. Not good enough.
Well, get Gardner (Snr) and the Hitz back and we'd have three beastly howitzers in midfield ... not that I'd like any of them.The only thing Gibson can do is hit the very occasional screamer and that's it. Not good enough.
I think there's more to him than that. Can pass a ball and gets about the pitch. Not top class but coud do a job for us for a few months in an area of the pitch where we need additions. A lad at work told me ths would happen a couple of weeks ago.
I just don't see the point of bringing Gibson in, who is moderate at best. We have Gardner out on loan, we may as well give him a chance.
I just don't see the point of bringing Gibson in, who is moderate at best. We have Gardner out on loan, we may as well give him a chance.
I think it was right to send GG out on loan, but having seen some of the stuff going on at Coventry (I had no idea it was so bad), I wonder how sending him there is going to affect him.
You'd have thought we'd have learnt our lesson from the signing of Djemba Djemba to never sign any of Man U's rejects
Andy Blair reckons we are signing Craig Gardner, Steven Davis and Keith Andrews!!!!! God help us if that is true.....Has Andy Blair succumbed to Alzeimers already?
Keith Andrews is utter shite. I can't believe any top flight club would be interested in him.
Gardner, I would have thought, has burned his bridges. Davis I didnt think that much of when we sold him in the first place.
I'm pretty sure won't be signing these players.
I wouldn't give McLeish £1 to spend in January, he's a dead man walking in this job and we'll just end up with more Makouns who the new manager doesn't want in July.The thing is the majority of us wanted N'zogbia and were extremely happy when we signed him, including me, I'm not writing him off yet as theres a bloody good player in there, Hutton on the other hand....
If he hadn't signed Hutton and N'Zogbia I might have given him the benefit of the doubt but they have been atrocious so far.
fucking hell this is one depressing thread.
Ive seen a lot of Andrews and Gibson playing for Ireland. They pretty much compete for the right to partner Glenn Whelan in the midfield. Yikes, there was a time when Keane, Townsend and Sheridan were the three man midfield.
Anyway, Gibson does have a good shot and is a good passer of the ball. He can play it long and short and with regular football will develop this side of his game more. However without the ball he is a joke. Despite giving the appearance of an athletic physical player he is anything but. One paced in the extreme and very little presence to speak of. Probably a bit similar to Makoun actually. Reckon some team might take a punt and he will do ok for them but surely we should be aiming a bit higher. Considering our predicament I dont think he is a worthwhile punt as we need players who can come into the team straight away. He has been scratching his arse for months and will definitely need time to come up to speed.
Andrews is a late developer. He really struggled at Blackburn but is flying now at Ipswich. He has done well for Ireland in games where we have to defend. He is a good athlete and competes well. He also breaks into the box well. However with the ball he is incredibly limited. At his age surely a no go there.
Davis is a bit lightweight. Dont watch SPL but apparently he is the best midfielder there by a distance. Watched the last old scum derby and he was by a long way the best player on the park. Young, lively, good on the ball. Id worry about him in a 2 man midfield though. I liked him at Villa and considering shit like Sidwell were bought later, it was madness to sell him imo.
Craig Gardner was muck at Villa imo. I know he wasnt played in his right position a lot of the time but he is incredibly limited on the ball. Good bit of presence about him and a goal threat for sure but for the money they will need to sell him its not good value. MON rates him anyway so Id say he will stay put.
To be honest I think Herd and Petrov for what we need now are better than any of those. We definitely need a central midfielder but we need one with presence imo.
No matter how he is playing this season for Bolton, Reo Coker is a big loss for us.
fucking hell this is one depressing thread.
Ive seen a lot of Andrews and Gibson playing for Ireland. They pretty much compete for the right to partner Glenn Whelan in the midfield. Yikes, there was a time when Keane, Townsend and Sheridan were the three man midfield.
Anyway, Gibson does have a good shot and is a good passer of the ball. He can play it long and short and with regular football will develop this side of his game more. However without the ball he is a joke. Despite giving the appearance of an athletic physical player he is anything but. One paced in the extreme and very little presence to speak of. Probably a bit similar to Makoun actually. Reckon some team might take a punt and he will do ok for them but surely we should be aiming a bit higher. Considering our predicament I dont think he is a worthwhile punt as we need players who can come into the team straight away. He has been scratching his arse for months and will definitely need time to come up to speed.
Andrews is a late developer. He really struggled at Blackburn but is flying now at Ipswich. He has done well for Ireland in games where we have to defend. He is a good athlete and competes well. He also breaks into the box well. However with the ball he is incredibly limited. At his age surely a no go there.
Davis is a bit lightweight. Dont watch SPL but apparently he is the best midfielder there by a distance. Watched the last old scum derby and he was by a long way the best player on the park. Young, lively, good on the ball. Id worry about him in a 2 man midfield though. I liked him at Villa and considering shit like Sidwell were bought later, it was madness to sell him imo.
Craig Gardner was muck at Villa imo. I know he wasnt played in his right position a lot of the time but he is incredibly limited on the ball. Good bit of presence about him and a goal threat for sure but for the money they will need to sell him its not good value. MON rates him anyway so Id say he will stay put.
To be honest I think Herd and Petrov for what we need now are better than any of those. We definitely need a central midfielder but we need one with presence imo.
No matter how he is playing this season for Bolton, Reo Coker is a big loss for us.
You say Andrews and Gardner are limited on the ball, then wish we still had Reo-Coker?
I wouldn't give McLeish £1 to spend in January, he's a dead man walking in this job and we'll just end up with more Makouns who the new manager doesn't want in July.
If he hadn't signed Hutton and N'Zogbia I might have given him the benefit of the doubt but they have been atrocious so far.
NRC made all the difference to our midfield last season. Particuarly wheb we played 4 5 1. Made us harder to break down. I'd re-sign him tomorrow if we could.I'm sure we could attract someone to Villa that could play a similar role to NRC but also manage to pass the ball to our of out own players? Maybe even a forward pass?
I don't know who else was available, but then again I'm not a PL manager with a network of scouts to call on ;-)the quality of N'Zogbia and Given is there for all to see. Pretty straight forward for Given. But, N'Zogbia, he needs to be found the right role in the team, it's always going to be hard to players, especially players who can play a few different positions to hit the ground running. Ashley Young, James Milner & Stewart Downing had slow starts with us.
I also think it's a bit too easy to dismiss the good signings of Given and (in time) N'Zogbia, though. He made them, he gets the credit when they go well, or the stick when they go badly.
fucking hell this is one depressing thread.
Ive seen a lot of Andrews and Gibson playing for Ireland. They pretty much compete for the right to partner Glenn Whelan in the midfield. Yikes, there was a time when Keane, Townsend and Sheridan were the three man midfield.
Anyway, Gibson does have a good shot and is a good passer of the ball. He can play it long and short and with regular football will develop this side of his game more. However without the ball he is a joke. Despite giving the appearance of an athletic physical player he is anything but. One paced in the extreme and very little presence to speak of. Probably a bit similar to Makoun actually. Reckon some team might take a punt and he will do ok for them but surely we should be aiming a bit higher. Considering our predicament I dont think he is a worthwhile punt as we need players who can come into the team straight away. He has been scratching his arse for months and will definitely need time to come up to speed.
Andrews is a late developer. He really struggled at Blackburn but is flying now at Ipswich. He has done well for Ireland in games where we have to defend. He is a good athlete and competes well. He also breaks into the box well. However with the ball he is incredibly limited. At his age surely a no go there.
Davis is a bit lightweight. Dont watch SPL but apparently he is the best midfielder there by a distance. Watched the last old scum derby and he was by a long way the best player on the park. Young, lively, good on the ball. Id worry about him in a 2 man midfield though. I liked him at Villa and considering shit like Sidwell were bought later, it was madness to sell him imo.
Craig Gardner was muck at Villa imo. I know he wasnt played in his right position a lot of the time but he is incredibly limited on the ball. Good bit of presence about him and a goal threat for sure but for the money they will need to sell him its not good value. MON rates him anyway so Id say he will stay put.
To be honest I think Herd and Petrov for what we need now are better than any of those. We definitely need a central midfielder but we need one with presence imo.
No matter how he is playing this season for Bolton, Reo Coker is a big loss for us.
You say Andrews and Gardner are limited on the ball, then wish we still had Reo-Coker?
Reo Coker is a leader, we have none in the side at the moment. Craig Gardner certainly isnt. Andrews is one at a lower level. Plus Reo Coker does far more without the ball than both of those and will cover every blade of grass on the pitch. Craig Gardner is ridiculously one paced.
Fair enough Reo Coker was badly advised not to take whatever contract Houllier offered him but in a time of great turmoil on and off the pitch we miss a leader like him. Particularly against the better sides. I can recall some brilliant performances he put in in places like Anfield and Old Trafford. Our midfield is a joke at the moment. Petrov will only get away with playing in a 2 man midfield against really shit opposition and the likes of Liverpool and Spurs just walk through us at the moment.
Josh McEachran has been told by Chelsea that he can go out on loan in January, in order to help his development. Aston Villa are the first club to register an interest in taking the highly rated young midfielder and Bolton Wanderers, Swansea City and Fulham are also expected to express interest.Guardian - Aston Villa interested as Chelsea look to loan out Josh McEachran
Josh McEachran has been told by Chelsea that he can go out on loan in January...
It's also bollocks because he's not a dead man walking.
Randy bet his credibility on this appointment, and has continued to do so since (letters from Ferguson telling him what a good appointment etc). Added to that, it's going to cost us big money in compensation on top of the money we've already spaffed away on previous managers of late.
Personally, I don't think there are any circumstances under which he'd sack him, and absolutely certainly not prior to January. Those who think he is going to are kidding themselves.
Randy is probably convinced he's doing a great job and unaware of any thought to the contrary. And that's the frightening bit.
January is a poor time to do business and I doubt there will be anyone available who we can afford that will improve the squad in any case.
A sort of Aldi version of Milner.
A sort of Aldi version of Milner.
Keith Andrews????
Lets not get too worked up over a rumour. It always happens on here and 99% of them are bollocks.
....
A sort of Aldi version of Milner.
Keith Andrews????
Darren Bent to QPR according to the Daily Mirror:
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/Transfer-gossip-exclusive-QPR-plot-shock-swoop-for-Darren-Bent-Aston-Villa-striker-in-January-article844963.html
Normally, I wouldn't give it any credence, but it's just the sort of dispiriting, soul-sapping event that seems par for the course at the Villa these days.
Thing is, can we be as effective by taking someone out of midfield to accomodate both Gabby and Bent?
hmmm. can't imagine why we'd want Duff to be honest.Back up winger?
hmmm. can't imagine why we'd want Duff to be honest.Back up winger?
I'd rather we took a punt on a younger player for a back up winger.
Someone with pace and energy.
hmmm. can't imagine why we'd want Duff to be honest.Back up winger?
I'd rather we took a punt on a younger player for a back up winger.
Someone with pace and energy.
yeah i guess but seeing we need back-up nearly everywhere i'm not sure its a priority. As you say, he too old and he's iffy injury wise
steven davis may possibly be arriving from rangers to bolster our midfield options and id expect petrov to rejoin mon at sunderland , doubt we will have much to spend but hugely encouraged by the performance last night.
steven davis may possibly be arriving from rangers to bolster our midfield options and id expect petrov to rejoin mon at sunderland , doubt we will have much to spend but hugely encouraged by the performance last night.
I really hope not. Essentially swapping Davis for Petrov would be utterly pointless.
hmmm. can't imagine why we'd want Duff to be honest.Back up winger?
I'd rather we took a punt on a younger player for a back up winger.
Someone with pace and energy.
Is the right answer.hmmm. can't imagine why we'd want Duff to be honest.Back up winger?
I'd rather we took a punt on a younger player for a back up winger.
Someone with pace and energy.
Nathan Redmond or Junior Hoillet.
I'm not a fan of Zamora but right now we are really thin all round the squad - up front no exception. I'm happy to be linked with anyone who displaces Heskey on our bench right now!The trouble is Heskey isnt on the bench but in the starting line up too much before he falls over.
I'd rather we took a punt on a younger player for a back up winger.
Nathan Redmond or Junior Hoillet.
Redmond is still unproven but it 'd be worth it just to stick another finger up to The Noses.
Sunderland boss Martin O’Neill is ready to offer £8million for Fulham’s unsettled striker Bobby Zamora - but faces a fight to make him move from London.
O’Neill wants a new target man and thinks the England cap would be perfect for the style he wants to play to turn round the fortunes of the Black Cats.
Zamora can leave Fulham where he has had a stormy relationship with Martin Jol, but the far-travelled forward is settled in the capital.
O’Neill could push the boat out and offer top terms, but the word from Zamora’s camp is that the next move is not just about money.
QuoteSunderland boss Martin O’Neill is ready to offer £8million for Fulham’s unsettled striker Bobby Zamora - but faces a fight to make him move from London.
O’Neill wants a new target man and thinks the England cap would be perfect for the style he wants to play to turn round the fortunes of the Black Cats.
Zamora can leave Fulham where he has had a stormy relationship with Martin Jol, but the far-travelled forward is settled in the capital.
O’Neill could push the boat out and offer top terms, but the word from Zamora’s camp is that the next move is not just about money.
So, 8m for a 31 year old. Still, he's English, so he'll be the easy, no-effort option.
Some things never change.
MON and Zamora are a match made in heaven!
Loaning McEchran to play ahead of Gardner seems strange.Makes no sense.
Loaning McEchran to play ahead of Gardner seems strange.Makes no sense.
I'm not a big fan of taking players on loan from other Premier League sides. It can hinder the progress of our own younger players as already mentioned and as, with Kyle Walker, give top flight experience to players from which the parent club benefits and is, ultimately, detrimental to our own team's progress.
I've no problem loaning from the top 4, it's from the likes of spurs that's embarrassing.
JM does nothing different to Makoun.
Competing with Bolton to loan a youngster off Chelsea sends out all kinds of signals about our club.
Mcleish admits: I could sell Bent.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Aston-Villa-could-sell-Darren-Bent-in-January-with-QPR-interested-article846170.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Does he..
Mcleish admits: I could sell Bent.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Aston-Villa-could-sell-Darren-Bent-in-January-with-QPR-interested-article846170.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Does he..
Competing with Bolton to loan a youngster off Chelsea sends out all kinds of signals about our club.
They have the upper hand with a top class centre back to sell in the opposite direction. That's where we can't compete - all our crown jewels have already been sold.
Load of shitstirring bollocks.
Ignore.
Load of shitstirring bollocks.
Ignore.
Agreed Greg. The article says nothing of the sort. Just typical made up bollocks at this time of year.
Mcleish admits: I could sell Bent.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Aston-Villa-could-sell-Darren-Bent-in-January-with-QPR-interested-article846170.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Does he..
That would be the ultimate signal that we'd totally given up even pretending to be a big club.
I hope they realise that.
It's just yet more stirring from a second rate journalist writing for a second rate newspaper.
It's just yet more stirring from a second rate journalist writing for a second rate newspaper.
How many of your 6000 posts say exactly the above clampy?
Do you work for the sun by any chance?
It's just yet more stirring from a second rate journalist writing for a second rate newspaper.
Let's just hope we can get 2 or 3 quality signings in the new year to bolster the squad and give us all a lift.
It's just yet more stirring from a second rate journalist writing for a second rate newspaper.
How many of your 6000 posts say exactly the above clampy?
Do you work for the sun by any chance?
Are you sure your not James Nursey? You always seem to go on the offensive whenever someone has a dig at him or The Mirror?
It's just yet more stirring from a second rate journalist writing for a second rate newspaper.
How many of your 6000 posts say exactly the above clampy?
Do you work for the sun by any chance?
Are you sure your not James Nursey? You always seem to go on the offensive whenever someone has a dig at him or The Mirror?
Never bought the mirror in my life clampy ,but I find most papers are very hit and miss regarding transfers although a work colleague 2 weeks ago reckoned someone itk at villa park swore blind to him that bent would go to qpr in January and I laughed at him- now though I'm not so sure !
Now now clampy,this is the time of peace and goodwill you old rascal!
Now now clampy,this is the time of peace and goodwill you old rascal!
'Lets not bicker and argue about, who killed who, this is supposed to be a happy occasion'
Now now clampy,this is the time of peace and goodwill you old rascal!
'Lets not bicker and argue about, who killed who, this is supposed to be a happy occasion'
Now now clampy,this is the time of peace and goodwill you old rascal!
'Lets not bicker and argue about, who killed who, this is supposed to be a happy occasion'
Is that Python?
Anyway, i was fine until i remembered that James Nursey is still earning decent money for being the Phil Dowd of journalism.
Slightly off topic, but does the guy we signed from the Irish Republic not arrive in the new year?
I'm calling it now - Liverpool to offer Carroll and cash for Bent.
I'm calling it now - Liverpool to offer Carroll and cash for Bent.
I'm calling it now - Liverpool to offer Carroll and cash for Bent.
I'm calling it now - Liverpool to offer Carroll and cash for Bent.
I'm calling it now - Liverpool to offer Carroll and cash for Bent.Unless its Carroll plus the £35m they paid for the lumbering oaf then I bloody hope not.
I'm calling it now - Liverpool to offer Carroll and cash for Bent.
Yes please.
I'm calling it now - Liverpool to offer Carroll and cash for Bent.
Yes please.
I hope you are (both) joking? That would be dreadful business.
I'm calling it now - Liverpool to offer Carroll and cash for Bent.
Yes please.
I hope you are (both) joking? That would be dreadful business.
I think they must both be utterly insane.
A proven goal scorer over four or five years for a young player with off field problems, who has managed half a decent PL season.
That would be mental.
Quite.I'm calling it now - Liverpool to offer Carroll and cash for Bent.
Yes please.
I hope you are (both) joking? That would be dreadful business.
I think they must both be utterly insane.
It's just yet more stirring from a second rate journalist writing for a second rate newspaper.
Let's just hope we can get 2 or 3 quality signings in the new year to bolster the squad and give us all a lift.
I'm calling it now - Liverpool to offer Carroll and cash for Bent.
I'm calling it now - Liverpool to offer Carroll and cash for Bent.
That's what I've been told too by somebody who works with Villa in a scouting capacity.
Carroll & Shelvey & £15m for Bent.
I'm calling it now - Liverpool to offer Carroll and cash for Bent.
That's what I've been told too by somebody who works with Villa in a scouting capacity.
Carroll & Shelvey & £15m for Bent.
I'm calling it now - Liverpool to offer Carroll and cash for Bent.
That's what I've been told too by somebody who works with Villa in a scouting capacity.
Carroll & Shelvey & £15m for Bent.
That's quite an astonishingly unlikely deal.
Carroll was £35m (ridiculous) not so long ago. Shelvey I'm undecided on but is fairly highly rated or at least has been for a while... plus £15m?
I personally rate Carroll (and have for years) and think if used properly he could be a goal machine in this league but I'm loathe to lose Bent under any conceivable circumstances but I have to say this would be too good to refuse.
We've needed a 20 goal a season striker for years and now we've got one, the last thing we should do is sell him. We should concentrate on getting him back to what he does best. Creating chances for him would be a start.
We've needed a 20 goal a season striker for years and now we've got one, the last thing we should do is sell him. We should concentrate on getting him back to what he does best. Creating chances for him would be a start.
We've needed a 20 goal a season striker for years and now we've got one, the last thing we should do is sell him. We should concentrate on getting him back to what he does best. Creating chances for him would be a start.
Well said.
Unfortunately, I don't trust the board not to cash in.
Quite.I'm calling it now - Liverpool to offer Carroll and cash for Bent.
Yes please.
I hope you are (both) joking? That would be dreadful business.
I think they must both be utterly insane.
What on earth would make anybody think that would be a good idea?
Arsenal for Bent has been mentioned a couple of times here: I don't think Arsey would countenance coughing up the £25m that we'd want for him. Just not his style.
If Bent is Arsenal bound, could Chamakah do a job for us in exchange?Oh crikey no, no and no again.
Sell Heskey for a cut price fee and give Delfounso the chance in the second half of season. Sink or swim for him as he has been around the first squad for a while now.He's been around for circa three seasons, under 4 managers. That, for me, says it all.
Sell Heskey for a cut price fee and give Delfounso the chance in the second half of season. Sink or swim for him as he has been around the first squad for a while now.
Chelsea is still my bet. Anelka gone. Torres not in form and need a league goalscorer, plus could afford him.
I saw the Pienaar thing Mal, think he would be a brilliant signing for us.
On the way home from the Manure game I heard a rumour that Bent was 'injured' because a deal has already been struck with QPR for him. As I say it's only a rumour. But QPR are a club with money to spend, and Bent's injury which AM said at the time would clear up in time for the next game seems to have dragged on for a little while now.
I've heard the same rumour a couple of times now. So I'm just putting one plus one together and hopefully making three.
On the way home from the Manure game I heard a rumour that Bent was 'injured' because a deal has already been struck with QPR for him. As I say it's only a rumour. But QPR are a club with money to spend, and Bent's injury which AM said at the time would clear up in time for the next game seems to have dragged on for a little while now.
I've heard the same rumour a couple of times now. So I'm just putting one plus one together and hopefully making three.
Sell Heskey for a cut price fee and give Delfounso the chance in the second half of season. Sink or swim for him as he has been around the first squad for a while now.
I'd go with this. He cannot be much worse than Heskey and he deserves a run in the team to prove himself (one way or another). The last thing we want is a Cahill situation just because we are desperate to shoe horn Heskey in the team all the time.
I don't know what any of you have seen that makes you think Delfounso is going to make a premier league player.
He has had numerous chances and never given me the impression he is going to make it, another Luke Moore who will make a living in the lower divisions. Get Samba please.
I don't know what any of you have seen that makes you think Delfounso is going to make a premier league player.
He has had numerous chances and never given me the impression he is going to make it, another Luke Moore who will make a living in the lower divisions. Get Samba please.
I'm with you on Delfouneso unfortunately. He just doesn't look good enough at all I'm afraid.
i'd rather we kept our powder dry to the summer than splurge out on the likes of Dempsey. Now it looks likely we'll finish 10th or lower but not relegated i'd assume they'd be better options in May when the likes of petrov are let go. We need strengthening all over the stop really and though i'd like this midfielder in i'm not hopeful we'll get what we want.
I don't know what any of you have seen that makes you think Delfounso is going to make a premier league player.
He has had numerous chances and never given me the impression he is going to make it, another Luke Moore who will make a living in the lower divisions. Get Samba please.
I'm with you on Delfouneso unfortunately. He just doesn't look good enough at all I'm afraid.
He just looks out of his depth, sadly.
We have to be realistic, and the majority of our kids are not going to make it. He's 21 soon and at the age where you'd expect him to have shown something, but he really hasn't.
Boumsong is being rumoured to be on his way to us.
I would take Dempsey with glee, but he would be way too expensive to make it a deal worth doing, and he must be 28 ish now.
I would much prefer the club adopt a stance of no incoming player, unless on a free and thus only costing wages on a maximum 3 year deal, being over the age of 26, preferably under 24. Thus giving time to grow, good sell on value and an opportunity to develop a team.
Yes, but he did well enough at Rangers and Lyon. McLeish knows him well as he signed him at Rangers so it wouldn't surprise me.
Delfouneso has been around for circa three seasons, under 4 managers. That, for me, says it all - he's not Premiership material. Sad but it's time for us all to move on (and that includes not-so-young-now Nathan).Sell Heskey for a cut price fee and give Delfounso the chance in the second half of season. Sink or swim for him as he has been around the first squad for a while now.
I'd go with this. He cannot be much worse than Heskey and he deserves a run in the team to prove himself (one way or another). The last thing we want is a Cahill situation just because we are desperate to shoe horn Heskey in the team all the time.
Boumsong would add absolutely nothing to the squad.Yes, but he did well enough at Rangers and Lyon. McLeish knows him well as he signed him at Rangers so it wouldn't surprise me.
He's 32 so if he does come it would be a short term deal and experienced cover. If I recall correctly the whole deal was a bit dodgy and for a lot of money. He just never lived up to the expectation of the fee.
It all depends what Lerners plan is (if he has one), If it's to get the season over without too much damage and the high earning non performers of the wage bill to enable him to rebuild in the summer fair enough, but if getting players like Boumsong is going to be the norm it would be very depressing.
I'd rather give Wiemann a chance than Fonz.
Boumsong would add absolutely nothing to the squad.Yes, but he did well enough at Rangers and Lyon. McLeish knows him well as he signed him at Rangers so it wouldn't surprise me.
He's 32 so if he does come it would be a short term deal and experienced cover. If I recall correctly the whole deal was a bit dodgy and for a lot of money. He just never lived up to the expectation of the fee.
I've read that the McEcharan move to Bolton might be off as Bolton have Kakuta on loan - even though they're sending him back they're unable to loan 2 different players from the same club in one season.
So maybe he will come here? Not that I want him!
I'd rather give Wiemann a chance than Fonz.
If Boumsong is the sort of player AM's after then i'd hesitate to give him any money. Crap, old, pointless.
if we were to sell Collins for £6m and spend that on the midfield, I don't think we'd to worry about the likes of Boumsong. The new guy, plus Herd when fit again, would allow Clark to be used at the back, along with the fit again Cuellar. I think that'd be Ok for the rest of the season.
If Boumsong is the sort of player AM's after then i'd hesitate to give him any money. Crap, old, pointless.
I was reading this thread for ages thinking 'well he's not great, but suppose he'd do a job'. Then I realised that it's Boumsong and not Bassong that everyone is on about. A player not good enough for Newcastle's backline!
If we were to sell Collins and release Cuellar in the summer, then him plus Dunne and Clark, with Baker as fourth choice, would be excellent. I'm sure wages could be worked out given we're probably paying the other two upwards of £70k a week. The question is would he come to us or have better offers elsewhere?
Alex is on for Arsenal isn't he?
There's only 2 players i'd consider getting rid of in January and they're Beye and Heskey. I'd keep everyone else until the summer then do whatever needs doing then.
Dempsey is the kind of player we should be in the market for right now...creativity battling midfielder and contributes with his fair share of goals. His age is a non issue if we can get him at the right price. £7-10m would be a fair deal.I would take Dempsey with glee, but he would be way too expensive to make it a deal worth doing, and he must be 28 ish now.
I would much prefer the club adopt a stance of no incoming player, unless on a free and thus only costing wages on a maximum 3 year deal, being over the age of 26, preferably under 24. Thus giving time to grow, good sell on value and an opportunity to develop a team.
Agree with that. I'd prefer that we offered "dempsey's" transfer fee and wages to a player like Hoillet. He may not be as good right now but has the potential to get even better and crucially will have a much higher sell on value in the future, whether that be Bolton or Barcelona buying him from us.
Whats he like on football manager Beds?
Dempsey's a good player but I'd say 7-10m would be a bit steep for him.
Reports circulating Twitter that Nigerian international right back Chibuzor Okonkwo has been given permission to leave the Super Eagles training camp to have a trial with us. From a small amount of research, he's 23 and has had numerous trials before but never left Africa. Well at least it seems we're looking for some inexpensive hidden gems. Would prefer that to the likes of Boumsong, Zamora or Steven Davis!
Okonkwo on trials at Aston Villa
Thursday, 29 December 2011
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NIGERIA international defender Chibuzor Okonkwo is currently undergoing trials at English Premier League club Aston Villa, officials have disclosed.
According to an official statement by the media officer of the Super Eagles, Ben Alaiya, the Heartland right full back has been released by coach Stephen Keshi to attend the Aston Villa trials.
The 23-year-old defender has established himself as top choice right back for the Super Eagles this outgoing year.
The former Bayelsa United star is solid defensively, loves to join the attack and packs a good shot.
He only recently boasted that he is Nigeria’s best right back.
He has fully recovered from a thigh injury which stopped him from featuring for Heartland in the final of this year’s Federation cup in September.
He has already undergone trials in France, Turkey and Ukraine.
He only recently boasted that he is Nigeria’s best right back.
Just did a quick search on him. Only in Nigerian squad because he {allegedly} shared bonus with coach. Sounds promising!!
Wasn't Okonkwo a character from a book often studied in literature? Not one of my better assignments, so I can't be sure. Think he was a tribal African though, not sure
about his footballing ability.
I think we should stay put in this transfer window. No point in dragging in some cast offs. Best to move some players on and make a plan for the summer.
29th December 2011, 07:06am
Left-back Enda Stevens will officially link up with Aston Villa next week and activate the three-year contract he agreed with the club in the summer.
The Republic of Ireland Under-21 international was allowed to remain with Shamrock for the first half of the campaign and compete in the Europa League before moving to Villa in January.
And boss Alex McLeish is hoping Stevens can quickly adjust to the demands of the Premier League and provide competition for Stephen Warnock.
He said: "It will be nice to have another body in the squad and Enda is a player who has got some potential.
"He's a young player, there was a wee bit of interest in him and we decided to sign him.
"It is up to Enda to hit the ground running and do well and leave me thinking: 'let's get this guy involved.'
"Enda will have to go some way to break in because Stephen Warnock has been in great form.
"But we are hoping when he joins, he will get to grips with everything, adapt very quickly to put pressure on guys like Stephen."
Stevens, who signed a pre-contract agreement, will officially become a Villa player when the transfer window reopens on Monday.
The Dublin born player had spells with UCD and St Patrick's Athletic before joining Shamrock in December 2009 and helping them to win the league title at the end of his first season.
Stevens made his Under-21 debut against Cyprus 10 months ago.
Enda Stevens to sign shortly.
http://sportinglife.aol.co.uk/football/news/article/23631/7399840/enda-stevens-heading-to-villaQuote29th December 2011, 07:06am
"Enda will have to go some way to break in because Stephen Warnock has been in great form.
Can't we just swap Dunne for Cahill?
I wouldn't swap Cahill for Dunne to be honest. It would weaken us defensively and we don't need that.
Dunne is actually in good form and unlike Cahill is an accomplished defender.
Cahill is completely overrated because he's not too bad on the ball but his defending and positioning is a bit suspect in my opinion.
I'd swap Cahill for Collins but that's not ever going to happen either because, in any case, Bolton will quite rightly cash in on the legend of Cahill because the reality is he's not "all that". He goes walkabout so often he makes Mick Dundee look like a slob.
Bent will go to Liverpool in Jan, I reckon.
Carroll in exchange or on loan. Gives McLeish the funds to sign a couple of players.
Bent will go to Liverpool in Jan, I reckon.
Carroll in exchange or on loan. Gives McLeish the funds to sign a couple of players.
I hope your wrong...but have a horrible feeling you're not!!
These are indeed embarrassing days to be a villa fan. Do the board have any sense of self respect?
If Bent is sold, every single penny better be spent on genuine quality.
The nightmare continues. When will we be able to wake up?
Maybe Liverpool want to give us Downing back.
These are indeed embarrassing days to be a villa fan. Do the board have any sense of self respect?
If Bent is sold, every single penny better be spent on genuine quality.
The nightmare continues. When will we be able to wake up?
I've never been embarrassed by being a Villa fan but each to their own I suppose. Why are you getting so upset over a Twitter rumour?
Maybe Liverpool want to give us Downing back.
I know that N'Zogbia hasn't quite worked out yet, but has Downing even got an assist for Liverpool this season? He seems a pale shadow of the player he was with us.
These are indeed embarrassing days to be a villa fan. Do the board have any sense of self respect?
If Bent is sold, every single penny better be spent on genuine quality.
The nightmare continues. When will we be able to wake up?
Just seen a tweet from Brendan McLoughlin ( a midlands journo) saying that those rumours about Bent to LFC are untrue.
Does anyone have any idea of how much we have reduced the wage bill per week, by?Ireland, Gabby & Given are up there I'd imagine.
Who are still the high earners ? Heskey, Beye, Collins, Dunne, Petrov, Warnock & BENT?
These are indeed embarrassing days to be a villa fan. Do the board have any sense of self respect?
If Bent is sold, every single penny better be spent on genuine quality.
The nightmare continues. When will we be able to wake up?
I've never been embarrassed by being a Villa fan but each to their own I suppose. Why are you getting so upset over a Twitter rumour?
I'm not embarrassed to be a villa fan, I'm proud. Bad choice of words.
There's just an inevitability about our plight now. Any good players we have get picked off. I can see this deal happening. I really can. We all can. We have 20 points on the board and facing into the second part of the season without our main goal threat would make staying up quite a challenge.
We have had nothing only bad news since May 2010 and still McLeish is talking about needing to reduce the wage bill having alread let many big earners go. It's a disastrous policy.
These are indeed embarrassing days to be a villa fan. Do the board have any sense of self respect?
If Bent is sold, every single penny better be spent on genuine quality.
The nightmare continues. When will we be able to wake up?
At this time of the season there are a million different rumours and 99.9% of them are completely unfounded. For your own sanity don't take any notice of them.
Just seen a tweet from Brendan McLoughlin ( a midlands journo) saying that those rumours about Bent to LFC are untrue.
There were lots of denials about Downing too. I just hope we hang onto Bent, we've needed a player like him for as long as I've been a villa fan. We need some stability at the club and it'd be nice to get a few years service out of our top players.
Yes we've needed a goalscorer like Bent for ages, but if the calibre of creative player we are currently fielding is any indication of where the club is heading, we would probably be better suited to having a bit of a workhorse upfront (Gabby for instance). Is it a coincidence that we have started playing a better style of football since Bent has been out?
Does anyone have any idea of how much we have reduced the wage bill per week, by?Ireland, Gabby & Given are up there I'd imagine.
Who are still the high earners ? Heskey, Beye, Collins, Dunne, Petrov, Warnock & BENT?
When Bent was last in the side we weren't playing Albrighton and N'Zogbia's form was poor. They're both now delivering, so when he returns the creativity issue shouldn't be a problem at all!Agreed.
Wrong.Does anyone have any idea of how much we have reduced the wage bill per week, by?Ireland, Gabby & Given are up there I'd imagine.
Who are still the high earners ? Heskey, Beye, Collins, Dunne, Petrov, Warnock & BENT?
Ahhh I forgot about Mr Ireland. But I cant see us getting rid of Ireland considering AM signed him. Im refering to the high eaners who we want off our wage bill.
Does anyone have any idea of how much we have reduced the wage bill per week, by?
Who are still the high earners ? Heskey, Beye, Collins, Dunne, Petrov, Warnock & BENT?
Yes we've needed a goalscorer like Bent for ages, but if the calibre of creative player we are currently fielding is any indication of where the club is heading, we would probably be better suited to having a bit of a workhorse upfront (Gabby for instance). Is it a coincidence that we have started playing a better style of football since Bent has been out?
Yes we've needed a goalscorer like Bent for ages, but if the calibre of creative player we are currently fielding is any indication of where the club is heading, we would probably be better suited to having a bit of a workhorse upfront (Gabby for instance). Is it a coincidence that we have started playing a better style of football since Bent has been out?
One game, v Arsenal and Gabby was toss.
Wrong.Does anyone have any idea of how much we have reduced the wage bill per week, by?Ireland, Gabby & Given are up there I'd imagine.
Who are still the high earners ? Heskey, Beye, Collins, Dunne, Petrov, Warnock & BENT?
Ahhh I forgot about Mr Ireland. But I cant see us getting rid of Ireland considering AM signed him. Im refering to the high eaners who we want off our wage bill.
AM didn't sign Ireland. He came in when we sold Milner & didn't have a manager in place. Even though it was rumoured MON wanted him.
Does anyone have any idea of how much we have reduced the wage bill per week, by?
Who are still the high earners ? Heskey, Beye, Collins, Dunne, Petrov, Warnock & BENT?
OK - lets try and work this out starting from last summer when Milner went and excluding loans:-
Out
Milner - £60k
Shorey - £40k
NRC - £50k
Downing - £60k
A Young - £60k
Davies - £40k
Sidwell - £50k
Freidel - £50k
L Young - £50k
Have I forgotten anyone?
Total - £450k a week
In
Ireland - £60k (heard he acceopted Milner's wages)
Bent - £80k
Hutton - £40k
Given - £60k
N'Zogbia - £60k
Total - £240k
So I make it an almost £11m a year saving from where we were during our wages height under MON
It is rumoured that Bent is on alot more that £80k per week. More like £110k p/w plus bonuses.
It is rumoured that Bent is on alot more that £80k per week. More like £110k p/w plus bonuses.
When Bent was last in the side we weren't playing Albrighton and N'Zogbia's form was poor. They're both now delivering, so when he returns the creativity issue shouldn't be a problem at all!
When Bent was last in the side we weren't playing Albrighton and N'Zogbia's form was poor. They're both now delivering, so when he returns the creativity issue shouldn't be a problem at all!
The one game he did play with them, Bolton, he missed two sitters and a couple of other half chances. Which was probably more than he'd had in the previous 4 games combined.
When Bent was last in the side we weren't playing Albrighton and N'Zogbia's form was poor. They're both now delivering, so when he returns the creativity issue shouldn't be a problem at all!
It is a good point, and shows how effective with him and them in the same side he can still be, as Bent in form will score more often than not.
The one game he did play with them, Bolton, he missed two sitters and a couple of other half chances. Which was probably more than he'd had in the previous 4 games combined.
When Bent was last in the side we weren't playing Albrighton and N'Zogbia's form was poor. They're both now delivering, so when he returns the creativity issue shouldn't be a problem at all!
The one game he did play with them, Bolton, he missed two sitters and a couple of other half chances. Which was probably more than he'd had in the previous 4 games combined.
Does anyone have any idea of how much we have reduced the wage bill per week, by?
Who are still the high earners ? Heskey, Beye, Collins, Dunne, Petrov, Warnock & BENT?
OK - lets try and work this out starting from last summer when Milner went and excluding loans:-
Out
Milner - £60k
Shorey - £40k
NRC - £50k
Downing - £60k
A Young - £60k
Davies - £40k
Sidwell - £50k
Freidel - £50k
L Young - £50k
Have I forgotten anyone?
Total - £450k a week
In
Ireland - £60k (heard he acceopted Milner's wages)
Bent - £80k
Hutton - £40k
Given - £60k
N'Zogbia - £60k
Total - £240k
So I make it an almost £11m a year saving from where we were during our wages height under MON
It is rumoured that Bent is on alot more that £80k per week. More like £110k p/w plus bonuses.
Yes we've needed a goalscorer like Bent for ages, but if the calibre of creative player we are currently fielding is any indication of where the club is heading, we would probably be better suited to having a bit of a workhorse upfront (Gabby for instance). Is it a coincidence that we have started playing a better style of football since Bent has been out?
Dont all shoot me down at once but Im not really a Gabby fan. Yes he is a workhorse but he is too inconsistent for my liking. Ok, he is a local lad and tries but he is not clinical in front of goal for me. Im not saying sell him or anything but just saying that I dont really see him as the "future" of Aston Villa. He is the type of player that if he has too much time to think about something he messes it up. There was an example of this against Stoke in the first half where he wont he ball in their half and ran towards goal, as he was doing this, I said to my missus "watch him mess this up" and he didn't let me down. Also, he keeps doing what Wayne Rooney does for Man Utd when he plays up front - he will come deep to collect the ball. I would prefer him not to do that and to be more of a nuisance in the box. Ive seen him on numerous occasions on the wing to collect a ball and then will pass it short to another player and then just hang about there. Now, Ive also seen Bent do the same thing but as soon as he makes that pass, he makes that run towards the box to get into a goal scoring position. I wish Gabby would have that same mentality to in the mix and poach a few more goals for us. This is just my opinion and many of u may disagree with me, but hey, I guess we are all entitled to it.
So what's that us down to 'only' £58million a year or so?
He didn't let me down. Sounds like you wanted him to, just to prove how very clever you are. Gabby always gives his all and at times he terrifies the opposition with his pace and can be a great pressure relief outlet for us.Yes we've needed a goalscorer like Bent for ages, but if the calibre of creative player we are currently fielding is any indication of where the club is heading, we would probably be better suited to having a bit of a workhorse upfront (Gabby for instance). Is it a coincidence that we have started playing a better style of football since Bent has been out?
Dont all shoot me down at once but Im not really a Gabby fan. Yes he is a workhorse but he is too inconsistent for my liking. Ok, he is a local lad and tries but he is not clinical in front of goal for me. Im not saying sell him or anything but just saying that I dont really see him as the "future" of Aston Villa. He is the type of player that if he has too much time to think about something he messes it up. There was an example of this against Stoke in the first half where he wont he ball in their half and ran towards goal, as he was doing this, I said to my missus "watch him mess this up" and he didn't let me down. Also, he keeps doing what Wayne Rooney does for Man Utd when he plays up front - he will come deep to collect the ball. I would prefer him not to do that and to be more of a nuisance in the box. Ive seen him on numerous occasions on the wing to collect a ball and then will pass it short to another player and then just hang about there. Now, Ive also seen Bent do the same thing but as soon as he makes that pass, he makes that run towards the box to get into a goal scoring position. I wish Gabby would have that same mentality to in the mix and poach a few more goals for us. This is just my opinion and many of u may disagree with me, but hey, I guess we are all entitled to it.
BANG BANG *blows imaginary smoke from fingers*
It is rumoured that Bent is on alot more that £80k per week. More like £110k p/w plus bonuses.
Jesus, no wonder he was quick to dump sunderland.
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Darren Bent will be on no where near 110k a week. He will be on somewhere in the region of 60k-80k a week tops. Villa never have and (for the foreseeable future) never will pay that type of money.
When Bent was last in the side we weren't playing Albrighton and N'Zogbia's form was poor. They're both now delivering, so when he returns the creativity issue shouldn't be a problem at all!
The one game he did play with them, Bolton, he missed two sitters and a couple of other half chances. Which was probably more than he'd had in the previous 4 games combined.
Exactly. I consider that game just an off day for him, but it's just sods law that we seemed to have solved the service problem just in time for him to be out injured.
Maybe Liverpool want to give us Downing back.
I know that N'Zogbia hasn't quite worked out yet, but has Downing even got an assist for Liverpool this season? He seems a pale shadow of the player he was with us.
I know - great, isn't it?
So what's that us down to 'only' £58million a year or so?
What is Delloit's target % of wages vs turnover? 50%?
That would mean we need a turnover of 116m whereas I think the last reported turnover was 84m.
So we just need to double our turnover and we'll be fine!
So what's that us down to 'only' £58million a year or so?
What is Delloit's target % of wages vs turnover? 50%?
That would mean we need a turnover of 116m whereas I think the last reported turnover was 84m.
So we just need to double our turnover and we'll be fine!
Thing is, what should a squad of 25 be paid? If you take it as your 3 top boys are on £80k, the next level is 4 players on £60k, then the remainder of the first 11 4 on £50k. You need to have a decent squad, so your top 3 reserves are on a par with the first team at £50k, with the rest of your usual bench averaging £35k. After that, you'll be talking about cheap fioreigners and emerging kids at around £20k average for 7 players.
Does that sound reasonable for a non CL club who are trying to attain top 6 status? Well, thats a total of £57,720,000 per year, with an average first team wage of £61k and squad average £44,400 per week.
So if we want to be that sort of side, and folow the 50% rule, then turnover should be £115,440,000, which is a 37% increase from where we are now.
If I'm honest I'm not sure what type of point I'm making here, other than these are probably the maths Randy & Co have been doing.
Or if we look at it the other way round, and wee what a £84m turnover can get us? Again on the 50% basis we're looking at £42m, so if I use the same scale as above we'd be looking at a top earner of £58,212, with the first team and squad averages £44,387 and 332,308 respectively. And that's firm mid table territory.
He didn't let me down. Sounds like you wanted him to, just to prove how very clever you are. Gabby always gives his all and at times he terrifies the opposition with his pace and can be a great pressure relief outlet for us.
Your plan is completely floored because you do not want a bench filled with 35k a week players. You want it filled with your Bannan's, Herd's etc that are all on about 10k a week. That is why our academy needs to be used more wisely.
It is rumoured that Bent is on alot more that £80k per week. More like £110k p/w plus bonuses.I've never seen or read anything to suggest that this is even close. Where is it rumoured exactly?
So what's that us down to 'only' £58million a year or so?
What is Delloit's target % of wages vs turnover? 50%?
That would mean we need a turnover of 116m whereas I think the last reported turnover was 84m.
So we just need to double our turnover and we'll be fine!
Thing is, what should a squad of 25 be paid? If you take it as your 3 top boys are on £80k, the next level is 4 players on £60k, then the remainder of the first 11 4 on £50k. You need to have a decent squad, so your top 3 reserves are on a par with the first team at £50k, with the rest of your usual bench averaging £35k. After that, you'll be talking about cheap fioreigners and emerging kids at around £20k average for 7 players.
Does that sound reasonable for a non CL club who are trying to attain top 6 status? Well, thats a total of £57,720,000 per year, with an average first team wage of £61k and squad average £44,400 per week.
So if we want to be that sort of side, and folow the 50% rule, then turnover should be £115,440,000, which is a 37% increase from where we are now.
If I'm honest I'm not sure what type of point I'm making here, other than these are probably the maths Randy & Co have been doing.
Or if we look at it the other way round, and wee what a £84m turnover can get us? Again on the 50% basis we're looking at £42m, so if I use the same scale as above we'd be looking at a top earner of £58,212, with the first team and squad averages £44,387 and 332,308 respectively. And that's firm mid table territory.
Your plan is completely floored because you do not want a bench filled with 35k a week players. You want it filled with your Bannan's, Herd's etc that are all on about 10k a week. That is why our academy needs to be used more wisely.
He didn't let me down. Sounds like you wanted him to, just to prove how very clever you are. Gabby always gives his all and at times he terrifies the opposition with his pace and can be a great pressure relief outlet for us.Yes we've needed a goalscorer like Bent for ages, but if the calibre of creative player we are currently fielding is any indication of where the club is heading, we would probably be better suited to having a bit of a workhorse upfront (Gabby for instance). Is it a coincidence that we have started playing a better style of football since Bent has been out?
Dont all shoot me down at once but Im not really a Gabby fan. Yes he is a workhorse but he is too inconsistent for my liking. Ok, he is a local lad and tries but he is not clinical in front of goal for me. Im not saying sell him or anything but just saying that I dont really see him as the "future" of Aston Villa. He is the type of player that if he has too much time to think about something he messes it up. There was an example of this against Stoke in the first half where he wont he ball in their half and ran towards goal, as he was doing this, I said to my missus "watch him mess this up" and he didn't let me down. Also, he keeps doing what Wayne Rooney does for Man Utd when he plays up front - he will come deep to collect the ball. I would prefer him not to do that and to be more of a nuisance in the box. Ive seen him on numerous occasions on the wing to collect a ball and then will pass it short to another player and then just hang about there. Now, Ive also seen Bent do the same thing but as soon as he makes that pass, he makes that run towards the box to get into a goal scoring position. I wish Gabby would have that same mentality to in the mix and poach a few more goals for us. This is just my opinion and many of u may disagree with me, but hey, I guess we are all entitled to it.
BANG BANG *blows imaginary smoke from fingers*
Annoyingly, if you add 30m for the chumps league then we would not be far off being the model club from an accounting perspective.
It is rumoured that Bent is on alot more that £80k per week. More like £110k p/w plus bonuses.I've never seen or read anything to suggest that this is even close. Where is it rumoured exactly?
Most reports when we signed him suggested he was getting around £70k per week.
The Gabby debate has been done to death on here. He's a good player for us, but does have limitations. He's not a 20-a-season man, but will hit double figures with enough games. His pace is a great asset to us, but he lacks a top level footballing brain.
Is there really anything more that needs to be said?
I see Henry has been offered a deal for 2 months by Arsenal. He's a great signing to bring off the bench even if he isn't the player he once was. I'm surprised given our Irish contingent that we've not done the same with Robbie Keane, a player that has been linked to us forever. He needs a club to play for to stay sharp ahead of the Euros and he'd be a lot more effective than having Heskey or Fonz on the bench.
I see Henry has been offered a deal for 2 months by Arsenal. He's a great signing to bring off the bench even if he isn't the player he once was. I'm surprised given our Irish contingent that we've not done the same with Robbie Keane, a player that has been linked to us forever. He needs a club to play for to stay sharp ahead of the Euros and he'd be a lot more effective than having Heskey or Fonz on the bench.
This is a good idea..AM take note and get on the blower
I'd like to think that the board would not be stupid enough to sell Bent so soon after selling Young and Downing. If they did, it may just make up the mind of those fans who thought very long and hard about renewing this season, not to mention the impact it would have on the pitch.
Apparently we have owonkwo on trial? I know he's a Nigerian right back but not much else...
I'd like to think that the board would not be stupid enough to sell Bent so soon after selling Young and Downing. If they did, it may just make up the mind of those fans who thought very long and hard about renewing this season, not to mention the impact it would have on the pitch.
I'd like to think that the board would not be stupid enough to sell Bent so soon after selling Young and Downing. If they did, it may just make up the mind of those fans who thought very long and hard about renewing this season, not to mention the impact it would have on the pitch.
That's what I thought in the summer - no way would they sell Downing now Young is going.
So what's that us down to 'only' £58million a year or so?
What is Delloit's target % of wages vs turnover? 50%?
That would mean we need a turnover of 116m whereas I think the last reported turnover was 84m.
So we just need to double our turnover and we'll be fine!
Thing is, what should a squad of 25 be paid? If you take it as your 3 top boys are on £80k, the next level is 4 players on £60k, then the remainder of the first 11 4 on £50k. You need to have a decent squad, so your top 3 reserves are on a par with the first team at £50k, with the rest of your usual bench averaging £35k. After that, you'll be talking about cheap fioreigners and emerging kids at around £20k average for 7 players.
Does that sound reasonable for a non CL club who are trying to attain top 6 status? Well, thats a total of £57,720,000 per year, with an average first team wage of £61k and squad average £44,400 per week.
So if we want to be that sort of side, and folow the 50% rule, then turnover should be £115,440,000, which is a 37% increase from where we are now.
If I'm honest I'm not sure what type of point I'm making here, other than these are probably the maths Randy & Co have been doing.
Or if we look at it the other way round, and wee what a £84m turnover can get us? Again on the 50% basis we're looking at £42m, so if I use the same scale as above we'd be looking at a top earner of £58,212, with the first team and squad averages £44,387 and 332,308 respectively. And that's firm mid table territory.
Does anyone have any idea of how much we have reduced the wage bill per week, by?
Who are still the high earners ? Heskey, Beye, Collins, Dunne, Petrov, Warnock & BENT?
OK - lets try and work this out starting from last summer when Milner went and excluding loans:-
Out
Milner - £60k
Shorey - £40k
NRC - £50k
Downing - £60k
A Young - £60k
Davies - £40k
Sidwell - £50k
Freidel - £50k
L Young - £50k
Have I forgotten anyone?
Total - £450k a week
In
Ireland - £60k (heard he acceopted Milner's wages)
Bent - £80k
Hutton - £40k
Given - £60k
N'Zogbia - £60k
Total - £240k
So I make it an almost £11m a year saving from where we were during our wages height under MON
Does anyone have any idea of how much we have reduced the wage bill per week, by?
Who are still the high earners ? Heskey, Beye, Collins, Dunne, Petrov, Warnock & BENT?
OK - lets try and work this out starting from last summer when Milner went and excluding loans:-
Out
Milner - £60k
Shorey - £40k
NRC - £50k
Downing - £60k
A Young - £60k
Davies - £40k
Sidwell - £50k
Freidel - £50k
L Young - £50k
Have I forgotten anyone?
Total - £450k a week
In
Ireland - £60k (heard he acceopted Milner's wages)
Bent - £80k
Hutton - £40k
Given - £60k
N'Zogbia - £60k
Total - £240k
So I make it an almost £11m a year saving from where we were during our wages height under MON
It is rumoured that Bent is on alot more that £80k per week. More like £110k p/w plus bonuses.
The problem with exercises like this is that you miss all the players who have been given new & improved contracts. We've several who will have stepped up from youth team money to first team money over the last year (Bannan, Herd etc).
Hopefully spurs get Tevez then we can have Defoe.
I'd swap Bent for Andy Carroll and Jon Jo Shelvy all day long, otherwise jog on Liverpoo.
Hopefully spurs get Tevez then we can have Defoe.
Tevez is a whatever and whoever job, however Defoe would be a good signing and if Bent moved on, which has to be said wouldn't be the end of the world, Defoe would be a better option than Carrol ( mentioned as a swap) which to me is akin to the lost city of Atlantis in term of myth when it comes to him being listed as a top striker
Greg is spot on next season regarding the squad and club in general is a massive worry, as long as Bent stays post Jan we will be ok for this season but come the start of next season I dread to think about the state we will be in.
Greg is spot on next season regarding the squad and club in general is a massive worry, as long as Bent stays post Jan we will be ok for this season but come the start of next season I dread to think about the state we will be in.
Defoe and Bent didn't work as a partnership at Tottingham, so I'm not sure why it would work now.
It would definitely be a case of one or t'other. I wouldn't actually be against letting Bent go for the right price, providing we got a price far in excess of his worth and were able to spend the bulk of it on team strengthening.
But seeing as neither of those things look remotely likely, we should be focussing on finding a system that gets the best out of our most expensive asset.
I cannot believe that some people are not that arsed if we let Bent go!! We've been crying out for a 20 goal a season striker for decades, now we have one FFS!!!
We're fast becoming a laughing stock, unbelievable!
If we let Bent go now, we may aswell pack it in, what's the point?!
But we can't sell our best players just becuase our manager is clueless, can we?...
I just cannot get my head around how much of a shambles we've become, it's not right!
Next we'll be bringing in Jason Roberts on loan!
Bent is a very one dimensional and limited footballer and contributes very little. The issue is when Bent misses its a bigger problem because his only attribute is scoring. He should look at Andy Cole who was very similar but improved the rest of his game. He worked on his upper body strength and became more effective, he was however playing with great players.
I cant see him staying long term.
But we can't sell our best players just becuase our manager is clueless, can we?...
I just cannot get my head around how much of a shambles we've become, it's not right!
Next we'll be bringing in Jason Roberts on loan!
to be fair to the guy, you've got a team weaker by young and downing from last season and no money to replace the defence even if he wanted to, so playing a game that would suit bent would probably be pretty suicidal all told
But we can't sell our best players just becuase our manager is clueless, can we?...
I just cannot get my head around how much of a shambles we've become, it's not right!
Next we'll be bringing in Jason Roberts on loan!
to be fair to the guy, you've got a team weaker by young and downing from last season and no money to replace the defence even if he wanted to, so playing a game that would suit bent would probably be pretty suicidal all told
But last week against Arsenal we did play a game to suit Bent & if we could match that level of performance every week, Bent would get us the goals & into europe.
We've proved we can play well albeit one game, Stoke was ok, but the signs are we could be getting there.
Selling him imo would be a massive mistake, as massive a mistake as the board made in the summer.
He isn't scoring enough though. He has played 14 league games this season, and scored 5 goals. Gabby has managed the same in 13 games. Gabby has been more important for us this season all round, has 7 assists and to be honest, I think we have looked better in the last two games without Bent in the team and Gabs up front.Bent is a very one dimensional and limited footballer and contributes very little. The issue is when Bent misses its a bigger problem because his only attribute is scoring. He should look at Andy Cole who was very similar but improved the rest of his game. He worked on his upper body strength and became more effective, he was however playing with great players.
I cant see him staying long term.
while i agree he's one dimensional and limited i'd rather say thats the point of him. Your original lazy bastard goal hanging, shit for 89 minutes and gets a hattrick striker. As i said when he signed he can be utter bobbins as long as he keeps scoring.
He isn't scoring enough though. He has played 14 league games this season, and scored 5 goals. Gabby has managed the same in 13 games. Gabby has been more important for us this season all round, has 7 assists and to be honest, I think we have looked better in the last two games without Bent in the team and Gabs up front.Bent is a very one dimensional and limited footballer and contributes very little. The issue is when Bent misses its a bigger problem because his only attribute is scoring. He should look at Andy Cole who was very similar but improved the rest of his game. He worked on his upper body strength and became more effective, he was however playing with great players.
I cant see him staying long term.
while i agree he's one dimensional and limited i'd rather say thats the point of him. Your original lazy bastard goal hanging, shit for 89 minutes and gets a hattrick striker. As i said when he signed he can be utter bobbins as long as he keeps scoring.
He isn't scoring enough though. He has played 14 league games this season, and scored 5 goals.Bent is a very one dimensional and limited footballer and contributes very little. The issue is when Bent misses its a bigger problem because his only attribute is scoring. He should look at Andy Cole who was very similar but improved the rest of his game. He worked on his upper body strength and became more effective, he was however playing with great players.
I cant see him staying long term.
while i agree he's one dimensional and limited i'd rather say thats the point of him. Your original lazy bastard goal hanging, shit for 89 minutes and gets a hattrick striker. As i said when he signed he can be utter bobbins as long as he keeps scoring.
But this season, he isn't scoring enough. I'm in agreement that the issue is service. We don't create anywhere near enough chances.He isn't scoring enough though. He has played 14 league games this season, and scored 5 goals.Bent is a very one dimensional and limited footballer and contributes very little. The issue is when Bent misses its a bigger problem because his only attribute is scoring. He should look at Andy Cole who was very similar but improved the rest of his game. He worked on his upper body strength and became more effective, he was however playing with great players.
I cant see him staying long term.
while i agree he's one dimensional and limited i'd rather say thats the point of him. Your original lazy bastard goal hanging, shit for 89 minutes and gets a hattrick striker. As i said when he signed he can be utter bobbins as long as he keeps scoring.
But last season, he scored something like 11 in 16.
He's not scoring because we never give him the ball.In my point made to Greg, I feel we have looked better with Gabby as the lone striker and a creative presence behind him. The last two games we have looked like a team, instead of trying to accommodate Bent. Personally, if we could sell Bent, and improve the supply line with the proceeds (along with a cheap decent striker) Id be happy enough.
Talking of not scoring, as a team we have a problem with that. Selling a reliable finisher strikes me as approaching the problem from the wrong end.
He's not scoring because we never give him the ball.In my point made to Greg, I feel we have looked better with Gabby as the lone striker and a creative presence behind him. The last two games we have looked like a team, instead of trying to accommodate Bent. Personally, if we could sell Bent, and improve the supply line with the proceeds (along with a cheap decent striker) Id be happy enough.
Talking of not scoring, as a team we have a problem with that. Selling a reliable finisher strikes me as approaching the problem from the wrong end.
We do miss Ashley, because he was a big part of why Bent scored so many last season.
We do miss Ashley, because he was a big part of why Bent scored so many last season.
Exactly, his supply lines disappeared when we sold Young and Downing. Until very recently their replacements have struggled for form sobwe haven't been creating chances for him.
If Albrighton and N'Zogbia carry on as in recent genes he'll soon be back amongst the goals.
We do miss Ashley, because he was a big part of why Bent scored so many last season.
Exactly, his supply lines disappeared when we sold Young and Downing. Until very recently their replacements have struggled for form so we haven't been creating chances for him.
If Albrighton and N'Zogbia carry on as in recent games he'll soon be back amongst the goals.
Sell Bent ?. FFS only score scores ??? FFS
Yes we should keep him. But only if Alex Mcleish is going to change the way he plays
Pires.Does anyone have any idea of how much we have reduced the wage bill per week, by?
Who are still the high earners ? Heskey, Beye, Collins, Dunne, Petrov, Warnock & BENT?
OK - lets try and work this out starting from last summer when Milner went and excluding loans:-
Out
Milner - £60k
Shorey - £40k
NRC - £50k
Downing - £60k
A Young - £60k
Davies - £40k
Sidwell - £50k
Freidel - £50k
L Young - £50k
Have I forgotten anyone?
Total - £450k a week
In
Ireland - £60k (heard he acceopted Milner's wages)
Bent - £80k
Hutton - £40k
Given - £60k
N'Zogbia - £60k
Total - £240k
So I make it an almost £11m a year saving from where we were during our wages height under MON
He can't score if he is not playing or his service has dried up. We have tried adapting so if continue to do so and the service comes he will be notching regularly again.Sell Bent ?. FFS only score scores ??? FFS
He's not scoring, he isn't contributing anything. Without Gabby this season we would be bottom.
For such a good goal scorer, there is a reason he has never made it at a top 6 club.
Yes we should keep him. But only if Alex Mcleish is going to change the way he plays, otherwise we may aswell cash in and get a hoof ball specialist.
Those who wouldnt be too bothered if we sold Bent - where do they think our goals are going to come from?
Carlton Cole.Those who wouldnt be too bothered if we sold Bent - where do they think our goals are going to come from?
Exactly. It's not like the cash would be reinvested in anybody as good is it?
Sorry to ask but will we get money from the the Cahill to Chelsea move? £2m increase so £1m to villa if they got a 50% sell on. May allow funds to agree a loan deal of decent quality.Apparently we have 15% of anything over the £5m they originally paid.
Sorry to ask but will we get money from the the Cahill to Chelsea move? £2m increase so £1m to villa if they got a 50% sell on. May allow funds to agree a loan deal of decent quality.Apparently we have 15% of anything over the £5m they originally paid.
Sorry to ask but will we get money from the the Cahill to Chelsea move? £2m increase so £1m to villa if they got a 50% sell on. May allow funds to agree a loan deal of decent quality.
I heard £7m mentioned this morning, so that's £300,000 to us, which amounts to feck all in the modern game!
7m for Cahill is an absolute steal. With quality players around him he'll go on and probably replace Terry as England captain.
Meanwhile in dowtown Amangsett the early morning peace is shattered by the sound of "DOH!" coming from one of the local mansions
Yes we should keep him. But only if Alex Mcleish is going to change the way he plays
Liverpool aside, have you not seen a change in our play over the last few games?
Those who wouldnt be too bothered if we sold Bent - where do they think our goals are going to come from?
Exactly. It's not like the cash would be reinvested in anybody as good is it?
Yes we should keep him. But only if Alex Mcleish is going to change the way he plays
Liverpool aside, have you not seen a change in our play over the last few games?
That's my point.. We have played better because we have replaced Bent with a creative player.
he's out of contract. Bolton aren't gonna risk getting nowt for him.- they can't afford to
he's out of contract. Bolton aren't gonna risk getting nowt for him.- they can't afford to
It makes you wonder why they did'nt sell him sooner. I personally think it's because clubs were not convinced. £7m is not much of a risk for Chelsea at the end of the day.
AMC just been on radio again . I have to sell If I want to buy ...
AMC just been on radio again . I have to sell If I want to buy ...
Those acceptable to go:-
Heskey.
Collins or Cuellar, but not both.
Beye.
Ireland.
AMC just been on radio again . I have to sell If I want to buy ...
AMC just been on radio again . I have to sell If I want to buy ...
AMC just been on radio again . I have to sell If I want to buy ...
Rather he said that than "I've got a stinking great £30m war chest". Other clubs will price players accordingly. Whether it's true or not is the key question!
Clampy I think they would have sold him sooner if clubs had met their asking price
AMC just been on radio again . I have to sell If I want to buy ...
Those acceptable to go:-
Heskey.
Collins or Cuellar, but not both.
Beye.
Ireland.
Would've said Ireland up until the Arsenal game. Get his head right (yes, yes I know) and he's the spark we lack.
Clampy I think they would have sold him sooner if clubs had met their asking price
That's my point. The likes are Arsenal and Man Utd were maybe not convinced that he was good enough for the kind of money Bolton wanted.
That’s different from what he said the other day, which was essentially “if I’m to bring one in, then the wage bill must be balanced”.
Clampy I think they would have sold him sooner if clubs had met their asking price
That's my point. The likes are Arsenal and Man Utd were maybe not convinced that he was good enough for the kind of money Bolton wanted.
end of the day there's only about 5 clubs that could have afforded him. even the 7m now probably rules out the rest. A year ago chelsea didn't need a centre half, they do now
That’s different from what he said the other day, which was essentially “if I’m to bring one in, then the wage bill must be balanced”.
the wage bill thing is just a red herring. its all about lerner making a profit on the good signings to pay for the losses of the rubbish signings. If you were trying to just lower the wage bill you'd obviously just get rid of the shite even if it was at a major loss. We've still got shite while the good players have been flogged.
That’s different from what he said the other day, which was essentially “if I’m to bring one in, then the wage bill must be balanced”.
the wage bill thing is just a red herring. its all about lerner making a profit on the good signings to pay for the losses of the rubbish signings. If you were trying to just lower the wage bill you'd obviously just get rid of the shite even if it was at a major loss. We've still got shite while the good players have been flogged.
Well, surely that’s because it’s very easy to sell an Ashley Young, but very difficult to find somebody to buy players like Beye or Heskey, who are over 30 and on over 50,000 per week?
That’s different from what he said the other day, which was essentially “if I’m to bring one in, then the wage bill must be balanced”.
the wage bill thing is just a red herring. its all about lerner making a profit on the good signings to pay for the losses of the rubbish signings. If you were trying to just lower the wage bill you'd obviously just get rid of the shite even if it was at a major loss. We've still got shite while the good players have been flogged.
Well, surely that’s because it’s very easy to sell an Ashley Young, but very difficult to find somebody to buy players like Beye or Heskey, who are over 30 and on over 50,000 per week?
you'd just pay 'em off in that case. What is the point of us having beye in the squad? he's never going to play. We could have sold him to a championship club and offered to pay half his wages for the season. Still would have cost us less than currently
you'd just pay 'em off in that case. What is the point of us having beye in the squad? he's never going to play. We could have sold him to a championship club and offered to pay half his wages for the season. Still would have cost us less than currently
Do you really not think we've tried to do that?
you'd just pay 'em off in that case. What is the point of us having beye in the squad? he's never going to play. We could have sold him to a championship club and offered to pay half his wages for the season. Still would have cost us less than currently
Do you really not think we've tried to do that?
Not really. I think the wage bill is a smokescreen and it suits the club to point out the likes of beye as a reason why they can't spend
you'd just pay 'em off in that case. What is the point of us having beye in the squad? he's never going to play. We could have sold him to a championship club and offered to pay half his wages for the season. Still would have cost us less than currently
Do you really not think we've tried to do that?
Not really. I think the wage bill is a smokescreen and it suits the club to point out the likes of beye as a reason why they can't spend
Yes, of course. They're happy to keep Beye on the wagebill just so they don't have to spend his wages on someone else. Presumably on orders from the President Emeritus's office
That’s different from what he said the other day, which was essentially “if I’m to bring one in, then the wage bill must be balanced”.
the wage bill thing is just a red herring. its all about lerner making a profit on the good signings to pay for the losses of the rubbish signings. If you were trying to just lower the wage bill you'd obviously just get rid of the shite even if it was at a major loss. We've still got shite while the good players have been flogged.
Well, surely that’s because it’s very easy to sell an Ashley Young, but very difficult to find somebody to buy players like Beye or Heskey, who are over 30 and on over 50,000 per week?
you'd just pay 'em off in that case. What is the point of us having beye in the squad? he's never going to play. We could have sold him to a championship club and offered to pay half his wages for the season. Still would have cost us less than currently
look dave, you've got a player who's not worth a sausage and who isn't going to play. What other reason is there for keeping him? Just pay up his contract and let him leave. It won't cost us a penny more than having him in the reserves till May.
That’s different from what he said the other day, which was essentially “if I’m to bring one in, then the wage bill must be balanced”.
the wage bill thing is just a red herring. its all about lerner making a profit on the good signings to pay for the losses of the rubbish signings. If you were trying to just lower the wage bill you'd obviously just get rid of the shite even if it was at a major loss. We've still got shite while the good players have been flogged.
Well, surely that’s because it’s very easy to sell an Ashley Young, but very difficult to find somebody to buy players like Beye or Heskey, who are over 30 and on over 50,000 per week?
you'd just pay 'em off in that case. What is the point of us having beye in the squad? he's never going to play. We could have sold him to a championship club and offered to pay half his wages for the season. Still would have cost us less than currently
In order to do that you'd still have to find a Championship club willing to pay him £20k a week. It's nowhere nearly as easy as you make out to get players out of a club who want to stay.
look dave, you've got a player who's not worth a sausage and who isn't going to play. What other reason is there for keeping him? Just pay up his contract and let him leave. It won't cost us a penny more than having him in the reserves till May.
Because - and I know this might be hard to understand - there might come a time when he's needed.
look if we went to a club and said "you can have beye, we'll pay 70% of his wages till may. and then its upto you and the player if you sign him. Beye gets his money, we save a third on his wages. makes more sense then him rotting in the reserves on full whack
That’s different from what he said the other day, which was essentially “if I’m to bring one in, then the wage bill must be balanced”.
the wage bill thing is just a red herring. its all about lerner making a profit on the good signings to pay for the losses of the rubbish signings. If you were trying to just lower the wage bill you'd obviously just get rid of the shite even if it was at a major loss. We've still got shite while the good players have been flogged.
Well, surely that’s because it’s very easy to sell an Ashley Young, but very difficult to find somebody to buy players like Beye or Heskey, who are over 30 and on over 50,000 per week?
you'd just pay 'em off in that case. What is the point of us having beye in the squad? he's never going to play. We could have sold him to a championship club and offered to pay half his wages for the season. Still would have cost us less than currently
In order to do that you'd still have to find a Championship club willing to pay him £20k a week. It's nowhere nearly as easy as you make out to get players out of a club who want to stay.
look if we went to a club and said "you can have beye, we'll pay 70% of his wages till may. and then its upto you and the player if you sign him. Beye gets his money, we save a third on his wages. makes more sense then him rotting in the reserves on full whack
So you are saying that you would pay him his wages until the end of his contract, and send him off as a free agent to sign for someone else immediately, rather than keep the player as an employee of the club until his contract reaches its end, use him as back up in emergency situuations, or send him on loan to a championship club with a recall option (unknown I guess).
you'd just pay 'em off in that case. What is the point of us having beye in the squad? he's never going to play. We could have sold him to a championship club and offered to pay half his wages for the season. Still would have cost us less than currently
Do you really not think we've tried to do that?
Not really. I think the wage bill is a smokescreen and it suits the club to point out the likes of beye as a reason why they can't spend
Yes, of course. They're happy to keep Beye on the wagebill just so they don't have to spend his wages on someone else. Presumably on orders from the President Emeritus's office
look dave, you've got a player who's not worth a sausage and who isn't going to play. What other reason is there for keeping him? Just pay up his contract and let him leave. It won't cost us a penny more than having him in the reserves till May.
look if we went to a club and said "you can have beye, we'll pay 70% of his wages till may. and then its upto you and the player if you sign him. Beye gets his money, we save a third on his wages. makes more sense then him rotting in the reserves on full whack
What a brilliant idea. I can't think why we haven't done that already. Or maybe - and it's a wild stab in the dark but it just might be true - we've already made the offer and nobody wants him.
Oh, so exactly what we have done then?That’s different from what he said the other day, which was essentially “if I’m to bring one in, then the wage bill must be balanced”.
the wage bill thing is just a red herring. its all about lerner making a profit on the good signings to pay for the losses of the rubbish signings. If you were trying to just lower the wage bill you'd obviously just get rid of the shite even if it was at a major loss. We've still got shite while the good players have been flogged.
Well, surely that’s because it’s very easy to sell an Ashley Young, but very difficult to find somebody to buy players like Beye or Heskey, who are over 30 and on over 50,000 per week?
you'd just pay 'em off in that case. What is the point of us having beye in the squad? he's never going to play. We could have sold him to a championship club and offered to pay half his wages for the season. Still would have cost us less than currently
In order to do that you'd still have to find a Championship club willing to pay him £20k a week. It's nowhere nearly as easy as you make out to get players out of a club who want to stay.
look if we went to a club and said "you can have beye, we'll pay 70% of his wages till may. and then its upto you and the player if you sign him. Beye gets his money, we save a third on his wages. makes more sense then him rotting in the reserves on full whack
So you are saying that you would pay him his wages until the end of his contract, and send him off as a free agent to sign for someone else immediately, rather than keep the player as an employee of the club until his contract reaches its end, use him as back up in emergency situuations, or send him on loan to a championship club with a recall option (unknown I guess).
you'd just pay 'em off in that case. What is the point of us having beye in the squad? he's never going to play. We could have sold him to a championship club and offered to pay half his wages for the season. Still would have cost us less than currently
Do you really not think we've tried to do that?
Not really. I think the wage bill is a smokescreen and it suits the club to point out the likes of beye as a reason why they can't spend
Yes, of course. They're happy to keep Beye on the wagebill just so they don't have to spend his wages on someone else. Presumably on orders from the President Emeritus's office
look dave, you've got a player who's not worth a sausage and who isn't going to play. What other reason is there for keeping him? Just pay up his contract and let him leave. It won't cost us a penny more than having him in the reserves till May.
look if we went to a club and said "you can have beye, we'll pay 70% of his wages till may. and then its upto you and the player if you sign him. Beye gets his money, we save a third on his wages. makes more sense then him rotting in the reserves on full whack
What a brilliant idea. I can't think why we haven't done that already. Or maybe - and it's a wild stab in the dark but it just might be true - we've already made the offer and nobody wants him.
well i doubt whether we've offered those terms but if we have and there's no taker, pay him off. He's never going to play unless our entire squad and the youth are somehow incapacitated
look if we went to a club and said "you can have beye, we'll pay 70% of his wages till may. and then its upto you and the player if you sign him. Beye gets his money, we save a third on his wages. makes more sense then him rotting in the reserves on full whack
oh please, everyone knows the situation with doncaster. Its just a shop window for players down on their luck, which means some fruitcase at villa still thinks we can get some sort of fee for him
oh please, everyone knows the situation with doncaster. Its just a shop window for players down on their luck, which means some fruitcase at villa still thinks we can get some sort of fee for him
It costs the club the same either way though doesn't it? So is it not better to keep him as back up should we have an epic injury crisis? Are Doncaster at least paying some of his wages? Even if it is as little as 5%, that is still costing the club less than your plan Greg.So you are saying that you would pay him his wages until the end of his contract, and send him off as a free agent to sign for someone else immediately, rather than keep the player as an employee of the club until his contract reaches its end, use him as back up in emergency situuations, or send him on loan to a championship club with a recall option (unknown I guess).
you'd just pay 'em off in that case. What is the point of us having beye in the squad? he's never going to play. We could have sold him to a championship club and offered to pay half his wages for the season. Still would have cost us less than currently
Do you really not think we've tried to do that?
Not really. I think the wage bill is a smokescreen and it suits the club to point out the likes of beye as a reason why they can't spend
Yes, of course. They're happy to keep Beye on the wagebill just so they don't have to spend his wages on someone else. Presumably on orders from the President Emeritus's office
look dave, you've got a player who's not worth a sausage and who isn't going to play. What other reason is there for keeping him? Just pay up his contract and let him leave. It won't cost us a penny more than having him in the reserves till May.
yes indeedy
not really. have you heard whats going on there? For the uniformed its basically where clubs send players they're desperate to get rid of*So you would rather he were back in our reserves or we were paying his contract up in full, rather than us actually doing what you just said you wanted us to do?
*those with an actual value usually.
not really. have you heard whats going on there? For the uniformed its basically where clubs send players they're desperate to get rid of*
*those with an actual value usually.
not really. have you heard whats going on there? For the uniformed its basically where clubs send players they're desperate to get rid of*
*those with an actual value usually.
not really. have you heard whats going on there? For the uniformed its basically where clubs send players they're desperate to get rid of*
*those with an actual value usually.
Back to Greg's point about it taking a munich style disaster for beye to get near the team. (Even though it's moot as he's out on loan)
Against stoke we played cuellar at right back because our first choice was suspended. Our reserve right back lichaj was injured and the next in line to cover there would have been herd who was also injured. So it wouldn't take a hugely unlikely turn of events to thrust beye into the first team squad.
look beye is not gonna play. full stop. every defender in the club from youth upwards would have to crocked for him to get a game. Its as ridiculous as keeping Salifou for the remainder of his contract. Totally utterly pointless
not really. have you heard whats going on there? For the uniformed its basically where clubs send players they're desperate to get rid of*
*those with an actual value usually.
Earlier on you said we didn't want to get rid of Beye because he's an excuse not to spend money. Now you're saying the club we loaned him to is somewhere to send players you want to get rid of. Logic doesn't really figure highly Chez Nash does it?
not really. have you heard whats going on there? For the uniformed its basically where clubs send players they're desperate to get rid of*
*those with an actual value usually.
Earlier on you said we didn't want to get rid of Beye because he's an excuse not to spend money. Now you're saying the club we loaned him to is somewhere to send players you want to get rid of. Logic doesn't really figure highly Chez Nash does it?
Doncaster don't want him, they don't want any of the players they sign. Its just their system. He's not worth anything, putting a worthless player in a shop window is pointless. Just some and mirrors again.
John M'Zog, please read your own sig and take your own advice.
not really. have you heard whats going on there? For the uniformed its basically where clubs send players they're desperate to get rid of*
*those with an actual value usually.
Earlier on you said we didn't want to get rid of Beye because he's an excuse not to spend money. Now you're saying the club we loaned him to is somewhere to send players you want to get rid of. Logic doesn't really figure highly Chez Nash does it?
Doncaster don't want him, they don't want any of the players they sign. Its just their system. He's not worth anything, putting a worthless player in a shop window is pointless. Just some and mirrors again.
look beye is not gonna play. full stop. every defender in the club from youth upwards would have to crocked for him to get a game. Its as ridiculous as keeping Salifou for the remainder of his contract. Totally utterly pointless
So let's be clear then. You're saying that we should pay the full cost of Beye's contract now, rather than sending him off on loan and paying less of Beye's salary?
not really. have you heard whats going on there? For the uniformed its basically where clubs send players they're desperate to get rid of*
*those with an actual value usually.
Earlier on you said we didn't want to get rid of Beye because he's an excuse not to spend money. Now you're saying the club we loaned him to is somewhere to send players you want to get rid of. Logic doesn't really figure highly Chez Nash does it?
Doncaster don't want him, they don't want any of the players they sign. Its just their system. He's not worth anything, putting a worthless player in a shop window is pointless. Just some and mirrors again.
Oh dear, that holes getting bigger Greg. Put the shovel down before you make yourself even more of a berk than you are at the moment.
please tell me how much you think Doncaster are paying towards Beye's wages then?
look beye is not gonna play. full stop. every defender in the club from youth upwards would have to crocked for him to get a game. Its as ridiculous as keeping Salifou for the remainder of his contract. Totally utterly pointless
So let's be clear then. You're saying that we should pay the full cost of Beye's contract now, rather than sending him off on loan and paying less of Beye's salary?
this is doncaster we're talking about here. they get the players in the hope the loaning clubs recieve bids due to their performances. I very much doubt we're making anything on it.
please tell me how much you think Doncaster are paying towards Beye's wages then?
look beye is not gonna play. full stop. every defender in the club from youth upwards would have to crocked for him to get a game. Its as ridiculous as keeping Salifou for the remainder of his contract. Totally utterly pointless
So let's be clear then. You're saying that we should pay the full cost of Beye's contract now, rather than sending him off on loan and paying less of Beye's salary?
this is doncaster we're talking about here. they get the players in the hope the loaning clubs recieve bids due to their performances. I very much doubt we're making anything on it.
Well, you'd be wrong again then. This is from the Daily Mail with Wille MacKay describing the system.
Donny will pay a maximum of £2,000 a week towards a player’s existing salary, relying on the parent club to pay the difference in their contract during their loan.
McKay said: ‘Take Herita Ilunga as an example. He’s on £26,000 a week at West Ham, not getting a game and they can’t get him a move. I called the joint-chairman David Sullivan and offered £1,000 a week to take Ilunga on loan. David laughed and said, “Make me a sensible offer”, so I said, “OK, £500”.
‘Anyway, eventually we agree the deal on £2,000 a week and West Ham make up the rest of his wages. We take him at Doncaster, who are no threat to West Ham, and give him a shop window to perform by playing every week.
‘If he plays well and I get him a move, say to Turkey for £5m, then I’ll reach an agreement with David Sullivan about the fee West Ham will receive, plus my commission, less his full £26,000-a-week salary for the period he was at Doncaster.’
Greg, it's a long time since you went off on one of these ridiculous flights of fancy, it's making me feel quite nostalgic.
What possible financial relevance does that have to Villa? They are still paying some of his wages prior to his contract expiring.
Quoteplease tell me how much you think Doncaster are paying towards Beye's wages then?
Between £1k-£2k according to the quotes I've just given you. Which is higher than £0.
So now you've gone from Doncaster definitely not paying anything to intimating that they're not paying enough?
What possible financial relevance does that have to Villa? They are still paying some of his wages prior to his contract expiring.
So you've now from wanting us to do what we can to save money on Beye's contract to actively wanting it to cost us more?Quoteplease tell me how much you think Doncaster are paying towards Beye's wages then?
Between £1k-£2k according to the quotes I've just given you. Which is higher than £0.
So now you've gone from Doncaster definitely not paying anything to intimating that they're not paying enough?
1-2k is the figure i heard. compared to loaning him out to a proper club at his level its nothing. 4-8k a month on a 40-50k a week contract. pay him off.
Quoteplease tell me how much you think Doncaster are paying towards Beye's wages then?
Between £1k-£2k according to the quotes I've just given you. Which is higher than £0.
So now you've gone from Doncaster definitely not paying anything to intimating that they're not paying enough?
1-2k is the figure i heard. compared to loaning him out to a proper club at his level its nothing. 4-8k a month on a 40-50k a week contract. pay him off.
What possible financial relevance does that have to Villa? They are still paying some of his wages prior to his contract expiring.
Yes, but Greg doesn't want that now. Please do try to keep up!
Quoteplease tell me how much you think Doncaster are paying towards Beye's wages then?
Between £1k-£2k according to the quotes I've just given you. Which is higher than £0.
So now you've gone from Doncaster definitely not paying anything to intimating that they're not paying enough?
1-2k is the figure i heard. compared to loaning him out to a proper club at his level its nothing. 4-8k a month on a 40-50k a week contract. pay him off.
What possible financial relevance does that have to Villa? They are still paying some of his wages prior to his contract expiring.
Yes, but Greg doesn't want that now. Please do try to keep up!
Quoteplease tell me how much you think Doncaster are paying towards Beye's wages then?
Between £1k-£2k according to the quotes I've just given you. Which is higher than £0.
So now you've gone from Doncaster definitely not paying anything to intimating that they're not paying enough?
1-2k is the figure i heard. compared to loaning him out to a proper club at his level its nothing. 4-8k a month on a 40-50k a week contract. pay him off.
Has it ever occured to you that the reason he went to Doncaster is because nobody else wanted him?
Quoteplease tell me how much you think Doncaster are paying towards Beye's wages then?
Between £1k-£2k according to the quotes I've just given you. Which is higher than £0.
So now you've gone from Doncaster definitely not paying anything to intimating that they're not paying enough?
1-2k is the figure i heard. compared to loaning him out to a proper club at his level its nothing. 4-8k a month on a 40-50k a week contract. pay him off.
Has it ever occured to you that the reason he went to Doncaster is because nobody else wanted him?
yes it has. PAY HIM OFF. HE WON'T PLAY FOR US
well i had no idea the finances was so out of control that we had to keep hold of a player for the sake of 4k a month, but i stand corrected. Maybe the poor results are just a cunning plan by AM to bolster the January transfer fund. Just think who we could pay with all the sayings from the unpaid win bonusesI dont want to do this Greg, but perhaps if you invested someof your hard earned cash into the club, you would perhaps be against paying someone off vast sums, instead of cutting your losses by taking some money from another club.
Quoteplease tell me how much you think Doncaster are paying towards Beye's wages then?
Between £1k-£2k according to the quotes I've just given you. Which is higher than £0.
So now you've gone from Doncaster definitely not paying anything to intimating that they're not paying enough?
1-2k is the figure i heard. compared to loaning him out to a proper club at his level its nothing. 4-8k a month on a 40-50k a week contract. pay him off.
Has it ever occured to you that the reason he went to Doncaster is because nobody else wanted him?
yes it has. PAY HIM OFF. HE WON'T PLAY FOR US
Again, you're contradicting yourself. You said we should offer him to other clubs on reduced wages and now you agree that we tried that and there were no takers. Except for the one who did take him. And please don't shout.
Please don't shout.
Quoteplease tell me how much you think Doncaster are paying towards Beye's wages then?
Between £1k-£2k according to the quotes I've just given you. Which is higher than £0.
So now you've gone from Doncaster definitely not paying anything to intimating that they're not paying enough?
1-2k is the figure i heard. compared to loaning him out to a proper club at his level its nothing. 4-8k a month on a 40-50k a week contract. pay him off.
Has it ever occured to you that the reason he went to Doncaster is because nobody else wanted him?
yes it has. PAY HIM OFF. HE WON'T PLAY FOR US
Again, you're contradicting yourself. You said we should offer him to other clubs on reduced wages and now you agree that we tried that and there were no takers. Except for the one who did take him. And please don't shout.
Please don't shout.
i suggested we offer him to a club and pay 70% of his wages which is about rougthly 11-15k a week they'd have find At no time did i suggest 1-2k a week which is paying near enough all of it anyway for no benefit at all. If thats the best deal we can get then pay him off.
Please stop this everybody! Following this thread is fast becoming more boring than working.
I've always quite rated Beye. Never felt he was given a fair crack of the whip. Get him back from Donny and play him. If he proves himself then give him a new contract and we save a fortune.
I've always quite rated Beye. Never felt he was given a fair crack of the whip. Get him back from Donny and play him. If he proves himself then give him a new contract and we save a fortune.
when you consider a new full back might be 2-3 million plus signing bonus and wages, we'd be better keeping Beye around for a year or two more.
If we can't get some money we should get none at all. Logic, Greg-style
If we can't get some money we should get none at all. Logic, Greg-style
well if you really think that 4k a month is going to make any difference. Maybe AM will announce a signing in May and claim it was funded by the 20k Beye Memorial fund....
Dunno if any one can elighten me, but i have never understood how this situation developed. MON bought him, then didnt play him and he dissapeared. I never saw him make comments in the Media, when he did play he was played out of position with a scratch defence. So what happened?
£20000.00 is more than my current annual salary. £20000.00 could pay some of the non footballing staffs wages. Catering or merchandise sales people. £20000.00 may not feel like much to you, but if you ask any self respecting business in this current climate if they had a way to reduce a loss by £20000.00 whether they would take it or not, I think you will find they would take it.If we can't get some money we should get none at all. Logic, Greg-style
well if you really think that 4k a month is going to make any difference. Maybe AM will announce a signing in May and claim it was funded by the 20k Beye Memorial fund....
If we can't get some money we should get none at all. Logic, Greg-style
well if you really think that 4k a month is going to make any difference. Maybe AM will announce a signing in May and claim it was funded by the 20k Beye Memorial fund....
4K a month could be the diference between giving one of our academy a professional contract or releasing him, that player could then go on to play for our first team, thus saving us even more money, he could even turn out to be a star.
while that's true, i suppose turning off the lights in the carpark an hour earlier would make a decent saving. The point is if we're worried about 4k a month then we really are in the shit.
I worry about 4 quid a month,it's all about scale.If we can't get some money we should get none at all. Logic, Greg-style
well if you really think that 4k a month is going to make any difference. Maybe AM will announce a signing in May and claim it was funded by the 20k Beye Memorial fund....
4K a month could be the diference between giving one of our academy a professional contract or releasing him, that player could then go on to play for our first team, thus saving us even more money, he could even turn out to be a star.
while that's true, i suppose turning off the lights in the carpark an hour earlier would make a decent saving. The point is if we're worried about 4k a month then we really are in the shit.
while that's true, i suppose turning off the lights in the carpark an hour earlier would make a decent saving. The point is if we're worried about 4k a month then we really are in the shit.
I don't think Villa are worried about 4k a week per se. but they have stated 9or at least McLeish has said as much in interviews) that there is a wage budget that he must stick to, so if saving a few quid on a couple of loanees allows him the room to offer a promising kid his first professional contract then that's good surely.
Anyway, I believe Beye is ready to take a small pay cut to get another contract here, so even more good news.
£20000.00 is more than my current annual salary. £20000.00 could pay some of the non footballing staffs wages. Catering or merchandise sales people. £20000.00 may not feel like much to you, but if you ask any self respecting business in this current climate if they had a way to reduce a loss by £20000.00 whether they would take it or not, I think you will find they would take it.If we can't get some money we should get none at all. Logic, Greg-style
well if you really think that 4k a month is going to make any difference. Maybe AM will announce a signing in May and claim it was funded by the 20k Beye Memorial fund....
£20000.00 is more than my current annual salary. £20000.00 could pay some of the non footballing staffs wages. Catering or merchandise sales people. £20000.00 may not feel like much to you, but if you ask any self respecting business in this current climate if they had a way to reduce a loss by £20000.00 whether they would take it or not, I think you will find they would take it.If we can't get some money we should get none at all. Logic, Greg-style
well if you really think that 4k a month is going to make any difference. Maybe AM will announce a signing in May and claim it was funded by the 20k Beye Memorial fund....
I totally agree in the real world, but this is football. When you post losses of 40m, a saving 4k a month isn't going to have any effect on the wage bill
Dunno if any one can elighten me, but i have never understood how this situation developed. MON bought him, then didnt play him and he dissapeared. I never saw him make comments in the Media, when he did play he was played out of position with a scratch defence. So what happened?(sigh)The difference is all those players got a run in the team, Beye hardly played and dissapeared.
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*sigh* MON buys shit player, MON realises he's shit 6 months after everyone else. Player disappears off the planet.. See also Davies. MFH, Sidwell, Shorey, add your own example.....
Dunno if any one can elighten me, but i have never understood how this situation developed. MON bought him, then didnt play him and he dissapeared. I never saw him make comments in the Media, when he did play he was played out of position with a scratch defence. So what happened?
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*sigh* MON buys shit player, MON realises he's shit 6 months after everyone else. Player disappears off the planet.. See also Davies. MFH, Sidwell, Shorey, add your own example.....
(sigh)The difference is all those players got a run in the team, Beye hardly played and dissapeared.
£20000.00 is more than my current annual salary. £20000.00 could pay some of the non footballing staffs wages. Catering or merchandise sales people. £20000.00 may not feel like much to you, but if you ask any self respecting business in this current climate if they had a way to reduce a loss by £20000.00 whether they would take it or not, I think you will find they would take it.If we can't get some money we should get none at all. Logic, Greg-style
well if you really think that 4k a month is going to make any difference. Maybe AM will announce a signing in May and claim it was funded by the 20k Beye Memorial fund....
I totally agree in the real world, but this is football. When you post losses of 40m, a saving 4k a month isn't going to have any effect on the wage bill
Yes it is, it's going to make it £4k a month less.
£20000.00 is more than my current annual salary. £20000.00 could pay some of the non footballing staffs wages. Catering or merchandise sales people. £20000.00 may not feel like much to you, but if you ask any self respecting business in this current climate if they had a way to reduce a loss by £20000.00 whether they would take it or not, I think you will find they would take it.If we can't get some money we should get none at all. Logic, Greg-style
well if you really think that 4k a month is going to make any difference. Maybe AM will announce a signing in May and claim it was funded by the 20k Beye Memorial fund....
I totally agree in the real world, but this is football. When you post losses of 40m, a saving 4k a month isn't going to have any effect on the wage bill
Yes it is, it's going to make it £4k a month less.
well thats a relief. Just the other 39,980,000 to worry about now.
You clearly have the business acumen of Rodney Trotter then Greg.
I go away for a coffee and a few choccy biscuits and find the mad and hopelessly wrong ramblings of GregNaff still rumbling on. Like others have hinted, i do find it a puzzle that he's so very concerned about the financial situation of a club which he openly admits he has no intention of putting any money into.
I go away for a coffee and a few choccy biscuits and find the mad and hopelessly wrong ramblings of GregNaff still rumbling on. Like others have hinted, i do find it a puzzle that he's so very concerned about the financial situation of a club which he openly admits he has no intention of putting any money into.
A bizarre statement frankly.
He did. I was thinking more along the 1st ever episode where he advises Del to buy 25 suitcases for £200, rather than the £175 price he agreed with Trigger. Then, advised him to throw them all in the river!
Quite right, and why pay taxes either? You could pay them for the rest of your life and never make a dent in the national deficit.I go away for a coffee and a few choccy biscuits and find the mad and hopelessly wrong ramblings of GregNaff still rumbling on. Like others have hinted, i do find it a puzzle that he's so very concerned about the financial situation of a club which he openly admits he has no intention of putting any money into.
A bizarre statement frankly. I could buy a season ticket for the rest of my life and it probably wouldn't cover Beye's weekly wage
I go away for a coffee and a few choccy biscuits and find the mad and hopelessly wrong ramblings of GregNaff still rumbling on. Like others have hinted, i do find it a puzzle that he's so very concerned about the financial situation of a club which he openly admits he has no intention of putting any money into.
A bizarre statement frankly. I could buy a season ticket for the rest of my life and it probably wouldn't cover Beye's weekly wage
I go away for a coffee and a few choccy biscuits and find the mad and hopelessly wrong ramblings of GregNaff still rumbling on. Like others have hinted, i do find it a puzzle that he's so very concerned about the financial situation of a club which he openly admits he has no intention of putting any money into.
A bizarre statement frankly. I could buy a season ticket for the rest of my life and it probably wouldn't cover Beye's weekly wage
you stating that you might buy a ticket let alone a season ticket is bizarre.
I go away for a coffee and a few choccy biscuits and find the mad and hopelessly wrong ramblings of GregNaff still rumbling on. Like others have hinted, i do find it a puzzle that he's so very concerned about the financial situation of a club which he openly admits he has no intention of putting any money into.
A bizarre statement frankly. I could buy a season ticket for the rest of my life and it probably wouldn't cover Beye's weekly wage
you stating that you might buy a ticket let alone a season ticket is bizarre.
yes that would be bizarre for someone who went continually for15 years. *facepalm*
Not really Greg. You want to throw all of the suitcases in the river. Most people would try to at least get some of their money back. Its actually quite a good analogy
*facepalm*
*facepalm*
That confirms it - the Gnasher is back to form!!
So remind us how doing it this way disadvantages us?Not really Greg. You want to throw all of the suitcases in the river. Most people would try to at least get some of their money back. Its actually quite a good analogy
not really because its the scale of the losses. Again bringing the EU into it again, they can sit there and say we've saved 80billion by doing this but if the losses are over a trillion it's pocket money and not worth bothering about. likewise saving 20k till the end of the season is welcome in a "bolting the stable door after the horse has gone" sort of way, but the reality is we've still paying him 750k till the end of the season minimum.
Quite right, and why pay taxes either? You could pay them for the rest of your life and never make a dent in the national deficit.I go away for a coffee and a few choccy biscuits and find the mad and hopelessly wrong ramblings of GregNaff still rumbling on. Like others have hinted, i do find it a puzzle that he's so very concerned about the financial situation of a club which he openly admits he has no intention of putting any money into.
A bizarre statement frankly. I could buy a season ticket for the rest of my life and it probably wouldn't cover Beye's weekly wage
Have you ever considered that the beye deal could be part of some overall plan for reducing costs rather than something to be looked at in isolation? And yes, it does appear that we are that much of a pickle financially.
Actually looking back at how the last year or so has gone, plan might be too strong a word....
But greg your original moan was that we were keeping him at the club when we should be offloading him on someone else.
Now, transfer speculation, anyone?
But greg your original moan was that we were keeping him at the club when we should be offloading him on someone else.
Now, transfer speculation, anyone?
The question one has to ask is whether someone would be daft enough to take him for that. They wouldn't. Also, I presume we could not force him to leave hence why the deal to go to Ipswich fell through. £1K a week as pitiful and nigh on pointless as it seems is better than nothing.
To be honest it's not Beye that concerns me. The ship has sailled and we've squandered £40K a week for two a half years on it. He'll be gone soon. It's the overpaid tat that we will still have and who might have their stays extended that concern me more.
I guess that there must be a situation to pay Beye off would save money, an ex gratia payment could be less than wages as it can be paid free of tax, they would also save on Insurance and air fresheners.
I guess they havent done it because there would be a que outside Faulkners office for the same deal.
I go away for a coffee and a few choccy biscuits and find the mad and hopelessly wrong ramblings of GregNaff still rumbling on. Like others have hinted, i do find it a puzzle that he's so very concerned about the financial situation of a club which he openly admits he has no intention of putting any money into.
A bizarre statement frankly. I could buy a season ticket for the rest of my life and it probably wouldn't cover Beye's weekly wage
I go away for a coffee and a few choccy biscuits and find the mad and hopelessly wrong ramblings of GregNaff still rumbling on. Like others have hinted, i do find it a puzzle that he's so very concerned about the financial situation of a club which he openly admits he has no intention of putting any money into.
A bizarre statement frankly. I could buy a season ticket for the rest of my life and it probably wouldn't cover Beye's weekly wage
There's more chance of Doug getting a knighthood.
Time passes and eventually the Voice of Reason is proven right. Again
I wonder when they say something he disagrees with if Greg says facepalm or if he does the actions.
I wonder when they say something he disagrees with if Greg says facepalm or if he does the actions.
I think he just shouts facepalm as opposed to performing it visually. He might even have it written down on a card hat he pulls out of his jacket and waves at people as and when it is required.
meh. Way i see it the same people who are going on about me questioning the point of saving 4k a month are the same people who 3 years ago were saying " why are you worried about our squad greg? there's no budget greg, the general said so, you're mad, we loaded etc., etc.," Now they've all changed their tune rather quickly
Time passes and eventually the Voice of Reason is proven right. Again.
Off to the pub.
Sorry, stupid question alert:
Do we know exactly how much Beye is on? And when does his contract run out?
look dave, you've got a player who's not worth a sausage and who isn't going to play. What other reason is there for keeping him? Just pay up his contract and let him leave. It won't cost us a penny more than having him in the reserves till May.
Because - and I know this might be hard to understand - there might come a time when he's needed.
Who exactly is Sherry?
And why should Dave be over her on the left?
Grrr
Logged on for the first time today, saw about 12 pages on this thread and got excited...
Damn you gnasher
Grrr
Logged on for the first time today, saw about 12 pages on this thread and got excited...
Damn you gnasher
Frimpong, who we were linked to, is off to Wolves on loan for the rest of the season according to the BBC.That should please the locals, they're forever telling me they need a creative midfielder and they go and get a wall.
BBC Sport is saying the Cahill deal is nowhere near done as "they are miles apart on personal terms"If Cahill does go to Chelski, what sell on percentage would we receive
It's not been disclosed. But the rumour is anywhere between 10-20% of anything received over the £5m they paid originally.BBC Sport is saying the Cahill deal is nowhere near done as "they are miles apart on personal terms"If Cahill does go to Chelski, what sell on percentage would we receive
Grrr
Logged on for the first time today, saw about 12 pages on this thread and got excited...
Damn you gnasher
But then this is the board where most of them swallowed the clubs earlier "there is no transfer budget, we have the money to buy 30m players" bobbins hook line and sinker,
Heh. Soz like, but you know how it is. Women want to meet me, men want to be me, and EVERYONE wants to talk about me, but i've learned to live with it
An I the only person that things Herd is better than Clark in midfield?I like both of them.
An I the only person that things Herd is better than Clark in midfield?I like both of them.
Different players and they will compliment each other and they are our future midfield core.
Heh. Soz like, but you know how it is. Women want to meet me, men want to be me, and EVERYONE wants to talk about me, but i've learned to live with it
Sorry to break it to you Gnash, but actually everyone thinks you are a massive c*** and are all laughing at you, but you carry on regardless.
Heh. Soz like, but you know how it is. Women want to meet me, men want to be me, and EVERYONE wants to talk about me, but i've learned to live with it
Sorry to break it to you Gnash, but actually everyone thinks you are a massive c*** and are all laughing at you, but you carry on regardless.
Heh. Soz like, but you know how it is. Women want to meet me, men want to be me, and EVERYONE wants to talk about me, but i've learned to live with it
Sorry to break it to you Gnash, but actually everyone thinks you are a massive c*** and are all laughing at you, but you carry on regardless.
I don't think he is.
I'm also not generally a fan of people being told everyone thinks they're a massive c***, either. Unless they're jackthevillain with his nazi routine.
Can't disagree with any of what Greg says there.
Can't disagree with any of what Greg says there.
You mean you agree with the bit where he says we should let Habib Beye go out on loan, then says we should keep him? Or the bit where he says we want to carry on paying his wages so we can't sign anyone else? Or maybe the bit where he says we should pay up the whole of his contract and not be able to use him anymore? Those bits?
Can't disagree with any of what Greg says there.
You mean you agree with the bit where he says we should let Habib Beye go out on loan, then says we should keep him? Or the bit where he says we want to carry on paying his wages so we can't sign anyone else? Or maybe the bit where he says we should pay up the whole of his contract and not be able to use him anymore? Those bits?
now now dave . i said we should offer him to a club and pay a percentage of his wages to get him off the books. roughly 70% of his wages left this season. Mentioned nothing about loans as you well know. and i certainly never mentioned loaning him for the honour of doncaster paying 1k a week.
Can't disagree with any of what Greg says there.
You mean you agree with the bit where he says we should let Habib Beye go out on loan, then says we should keep him? Or the bit where he says we want to carry on paying his wages so we can't sign anyone else? Or maybe the bit where he says we should pay up the whole of his contract and not be able to use him anymore? Those bits?
now now dave . i said we should offer him to a club and pay a percentage of his wages to get him off the books. roughly 70% of his wages left this season. Mentioned nothing about loans as you well know. and i certainly never mentioned loaning him for the honour of doncaster paying 1k a week.
Though he may be going about getting his points across in an awkward manner, isn't the general gist of what he is saying that cutting your losses on the likes of Beye is a better way of cutting the wage bill than choosing to sell the clubs prized assets?He's saying that we should actively go out of our way to make sure that Beye costs us more money than he needs to.
Can't disagree with any of what Greg says there.
You mean you agree with the bit where he says we should let Habib Beye go out on loan, then says we should keep him? Or the bit where he says we want to carry on paying his wages so we can't sign anyone else? Or maybe the bit where he says we should pay up the whole of his contract and not be able to use him anymore? Those bits?
now now dave . i said we should offer him to a club and pay a percentage of his wages to get him off the books. roughly 70% of his wages left this season. Mentioned nothing about loans as you well know. and i certainly never mentioned loaning him for the honour of doncaster paying 1k a week.
Hush now Bunny, it's past your bedtime.
Sorry Greg, I've read it back and it just looks bad, it was meant to be a light hearted dig (I'm ex-Army, calling people c***s is part of the banter), I think you took it better than the Mods and others, but it was wrong and I apologise.
So that's four moderators that have posted since the 'massive c*** post and not one request to withdraw it.
Sorry Greg, I've read it back and it just looks bad, it was meant to be a light hearted dig (I'm ex-Army, calling people c***s is part of the banter), I think you took it better than the Mods and others, but it was wrong and I apologise.Good on yer mate
Just read on our forum that Man Utd's Macheda is supposedly going to QPR on loan. May take one of the clubs apparently in for Bent out of the equasion!
On the main point, I take it to mean that getting Beye off the books at almost any cost bottom line removes approximately 2m off the wage bill without looking to cash in on prized assets.
An I the only person that things Herd is better than Clark in midfield?
On the main point, I take it to mean that getting Beye off the books at almost any cost bottom line removes approximately 2m off the wage bill without looking to cash in on prized assets.
No it doesn't as the £2mil will have to be paid off either in one bulk sum or over the course of the rest of his contract. So we would not be saving anything either way, but we are currently paying less as he is on loan with a small percentage being paid for by Donny. And as Dave W pointed out, if we have an injury to Cueller and Hutton we will still have a Beye to call back who might even have some match sharpness back after playing in competitive games.
So that's four moderators that have posted since the 'massive c*** post and not one request to withdraw it.
If and it is money is limited then we should go out and take that winger off Small Heath ~ Redmond or Mutch the one who played in Europe the other week. Looks like a young well Ashley Young.12 million no chance.
If and it is money is limited then we should go out and take that winger off Small Heath ~ Redmond or Mutch the one who played in Europe the other week. Looks like a young well Ashley Young.12 million no chance.
So that's four moderators that have posted since the 'massive c*** post and not one request to withdraw it.
I thought I made it quite clear that it's not on, but apologise if it should have been made clearer.
Why don't you try reading all the posts Chris.
Blues are up shit creek financially. No way will he be anywhere near 12m especially when you consider that Johnson reportedly left for 5m in the summer.Man Shitty have been told 12 million.
Why don't you try reading all the posts Chris.
Why don't you try reading all the posts Chris.
Nooooooooooooo. If Chris does that than he will disagree with all of them and we will never catch up with his capacity to argue :o
Well, the club should be interested in a deal like that (if it is on the table) since the kid has high sell-on potential.If and it is money is limited then we should go out and take that winger off Small Heath ~ Redmond or Mutch the one who played in Europe the other week. Looks like a young well Ashley Young.12 million no chance.
Nathan Redmond will go for £3/£4m up front with adds on for games/goals/england caps,etc if Blues have any sense (which I doubt)
Davies and Heskey in a dream ticket partnership at Sunderland. Make it happen.Yes, and even better would be if MON threw a lot of money at it, again.
Davies and Heskey in a dream ticket partnership at Sunderland. Make it happen.
Davies and Heskey in a dream ticket partnership at Sunderland. Make it happen.
;D Not gonna happen marra!
Davies and Heskey in a dream ticket partnership at Sunderland. Make it happen.
;D Not gonna happen marra!
We thought the same Davey!
Davies and Heskey in a dream ticket partnership at Sunderland. Make it happen.
;D Not gonna happen marra!
We thought the same Davey!
:( i have faith ....... it won't happen! :-\
Davies and Heskey in a dream ticket partnership at Sunderland. Make it happen.
;D Not gonna happen marra!
We thought the same Davey!
:( i have faith ....... it won't happen! :-\
Davies and Heskey in a dream ticket partnership at Sunderland. Make it happen.
;D Not gonna happen marra!
We thought the same Davey!
:( i have faith ....... it won't happen! :-\
Davies and Heskey in a dream ticket partnership at Sunderland. Make it happen.
;D Not gonna happen marra!
We thought the same Davey!
:( i have faith ....... it won't happen! :-\
Today is our perfect day. You'll have signed Heskey by midnight.
Davies and Heskey in a dream ticket partnership at Sunderland. Make it happen.
;D Not gonna happen marra!
We thought the same Davey!
:( i have faith ....... it won't happen! :-\
But then again...if you've been imbibing from the famed Northeastern pipes...here's a hint that it could happen, just slipped past you guys whilst you're in a 'marra' whirl!
Found this on Wiki so it must be true. (googled shisha!)
'The tobacco smoked is referred to as Mu'assel, or "Shisha". Multiple references have .... use in Persia, to India. The hookah pipe is also known as the Marra pipe in the UK, especially in the North East, where it is used for recreational purposes. ...'
Davies and Heskey in a dream ticket partnership at Sunderland. Make it happen.
;D Not gonna happen marra!
We thought the same Davey!
:( i have faith ....... it won't happen! :-\
We needed a striker when MON arrived, we got Marlon Harewood. It can happen!
Happy New Year Davey ;D
Davies and Heskey in a dream ticket partnership at Sunderland. Make it happen.
;D Not gonna happen marra!
We thought the same Davey!
:( i have faith ....... it won't happen! :-\
Today is our perfect day. You'll have signed Heskey by midnight.
Davies and Heskey in a dream ticket partnership at Sunderland. Make it happen.
;D Not gonna happen marra!
We thought the same Davey!
:( i have faith ....... it won't happen! :-\
Today is our perfect day. You'll have signed Heskey by midnight.
I see Steve Walford was at Blues today, according to reports he was watching Curtis Davies.
On the main point, I take it to mean that getting Beye off the books at almost any cost bottom line removes approximately 2m off the wage bill without looking to cash in on prized assets.
No it doesn't as the £2mil will have to be paid off either in one bulk sum or over the course of the rest of his contract. So we would not be saving anything either way, but we are currently paying less as he is on loan with a small percentage being paid for by Donny. And as Dave W pointed out, if we have an injury to Cueller and Hutton we will still have a Beye to call back who might even have some match sharpness back after playing in competitive games.
expensive insurance policy!
Davey, Curtus Davis is fucking terrible.
I'd never thought a professional footballer could be so easily terrified by the concept of the ball coming near him.
Davey, Curtus Davis is fucking terrible.
I'd never thought a professional footballer could be so easily terrified by the concept of the ball coming near him.
:( Nightmare, i hope its not him that we are looking at as cover then!
Every time I hear his name I think of that sliced clearance against Rapid Vienna.
Every time I hear his name I think of that sliced clearance against Rapid Vienna.
I remember that home match when he saw a ball lumped from at least 50 yards away into the sky coming down towards him, in at least 20 yards of free space, unmolested by the opposition, and him looking up and concentrating really, really hard so he'd manage to control the situation, and the ball landing about 20 yards behind him as he stood there looking bewildered, thinking it was still in the air.
To think O'Neill spent nine million of your British pounds on that hopeless pub player.
They'll be after Redmond surely? Similarities with his Ashley Young signing for us.
You have to think MON will fancy Redmond. One player I would like from Blues that. Unless................
Zigic!!!!!
Every time I hear his name I think of that sliced clearance against Rapid Vienna.
Every time I hear his name I think of that sliced clearance against Rapid Vienna.
I think that was the time when I realised there was no hope for him. Before then I was willing to believe it was partly down to his injury issues and just a lack of confidence that a run of games with Dunne would break.
For Davey's benefit the incident happened like this. Villa had just took the lead in the second leg of the tie and overall and the ball came to Davies 10 yards in our half 2 yards from the byline, facing our goal with an attacker coming towards him from our goal. Instead of turning away from him and playing the ball upfield, playing the ball inside to someone, or just knocking it out for a throw in a very safe area, he decides to hoof it against the incoming attacker to get a throw in. He totally misses the guy with the ball and it sails over our bar for a corner. They then score from this corner to take the lead overall on away goals.
Davey, we were linked with and reportedly scouted Zigic time and again when he was here, and I am sure he claimed to have never heard of him at one point, although clearly he had, but just did not acknowledge that any player existed outside of the UK unless he inherited them.
.....
Well, the window is open now, so we'll find out who we are or are not going to get! ..
Bent hopefully isn't going and it wouldn't be great if he did under any circumstances I can realistically envisage.
For fucks sake, I've only be wishing him to Villa for the last 7 or 8 years or something. I hope he retires at Villa.
Agree Maz, we've been crying out for a goal poacher for a long time. We better not sell Bent it would be madness.
If they are in for him, and there appears more and more rumour, then 30 million should be the bottom price. He has done nothing but enhance his reputation, and we paid 24 with add ons, so should be looking at a profit.
The Hare is going back to Forest.
Every time I hear his name I think of that sliced clearance against Rapid Vienna.
I remember that home match when he saw a ball lumped from at least 50 yards away into the sky coming down towards him, in at least 20 yards of free space, unmolested by the opposition, and him looking up and concentrating really, really hard so he'd manage to control the situation, and the ball landing about 20 yards behind him as he stood there looking bewildered, thinking it was still in the air.
To think O'Neill spent nine million of your British pounds on that hopeless pub player.
To be fair, i used to see him on MOTD / Sky games when he was just starting out at WBA. He looked pretty solid for them!
As the net curtain on the transfer window starts seriously twitching, most of the talk turns to some of the hottest properties on the planet. Yet the wise man will often look to the lower leagues for decent business. Mike Calvin discusses the worth of Barnsley’s captain marvel, Jacob Butterfield.
“Jacob Barnsley is Barnsley captain – not bad for 21,” begins Mike. “I don’t think he’ll be there too much longer.”
“He’s a goalscoring midfield playmaker, and he’s excellent from set pieces. Expect him to move in January – I know Aston Villa are interested.”
A hunch suggests that he could plug a Stephen Ireland-shaped hole.
This is from Life's a PitchQuoteAs the net curtain on the transfer window starts seriously twitching, most of the talk turns to some of the hottest properties on the planet. Yet the wise man will often look to the lower leagues for decent business. Mike Calvin discusses the worth of Barnsley’s captain marvel, Jacob Butterfield.
“Jacob Barnsley is Barnsley captain – not bad for 21,” begins Mike. “I don’t think he’ll be there too much longer.”
“He’s a goalscoring midfield playmaker, and he’s excellent from set pieces. Expect him to move in January – I know Aston Villa are interested.”
A hunch suggests that he could plug a Stephen Ireland-shaped hole.
I also read that Norwich wanted Delfouneso on loan for the second half of the season, I think that would be worth doing.
This is from Life's a PitchThat would work for me on both counts.QuoteAs the net curtain on the transfer window starts seriously twitching, most of the talk turns to some of the hottest properties on the planet. Yet the wise man will often look to the lower leagues for decent business. Mike Calvin discusses the worth of Barnsley’s captain marvel, Jacob Butterfield.
“Jacob Barnsley is Barnsley captain – not bad for 21,” begins Mike. “I don’t think he’ll be there too much longer.”
“He’s a goalscoring midfield playmaker, and he’s excellent from set pieces. Expect him to move in January – I know Aston Villa are interested.”
A hunch suggests that he could plug a Stephen Ireland-shaped hole.
I also read that Norwich wanted Delfouneso on loan for the second half of the season, I think that would be worth doing.
The rumour is coming from the imagination of some Dippers. I've read a People article which main focus for why "Liverpool were swooping" was Bent's body language prior to coming on.his comment is particularly stupid nonsense:
Get to fuck.
That hack was actually paid to write such shite.
The rumour is coming from the imagination of some Dippers. I've read a People article which main focus for why "Liverpool were swooping" was Bent's body language prior to coming on.his comment is particularly stupid nonsense:
Get to fuck.
That hack was actually paid to write such shite.
"Liverpol who have noted that Bent is failing to reproduce his England form at Villa are weighing up a bid"
This wanker journo is blatantly ignoring the fact that it was his Villa form last season that got Bent into the England team.
And I suggest Livepool should concentrate on getting something useful out of Carroll and provise some education for that twat Suarez.
Agreed, he'll stay until the end of the season. Summer might be a different story particularly if he scores some goals at the euros.
I see absolutely no sense in us selling him at all, but especially not in January. He'll have three years on his deal in the summer, his value won't have decreased at all. It just makes no sense whatsoever.I agree. We should be looking to extend his contract at the right time if anything.
I also don't see any point in signing someone like Gibson, because now Clark has shown his ability in midfield and Gardner has made his first appearance we have enough there. The only point in signing a midfielder would be if they are top class or a really top prospect.
I also don't see any point in signing someone like Gibson, because now Clark has shown his ability in midfield and Gardner has made his first appearance we have enough there. The only point in signing a midfielder would be if they are top class or a really top prospect.
Gibson is far from top class, about as far from it as you can get. He would add nothing to our midfield and hinder the development and progress of our young uns.
Agree with your analysis, Steve.
If we do anything at all in January I'd rather we did something about central defence.
Agree with your analysis, Steve.
If we do anything at all in January I'd rather we did something about central defence.
Will Baker and / or Lowry make it at CB?
We're not going to win the league this season...
Outside of Bent going all Downing on us and betraying the club and fans, he'll be here for a while in my opinion. The club have stated a need to address the finances. It is not tied to the sale of any one player. We are still a PL club and to stay in the upper reaches of the league with European ambitions we need some top players. What we don't need is average players that are top wages and long deals not contributing. Bent doesn't fall into that category, but we still have a number of aging players who will be released in the next 12 months that will get us back to position that will be financially responsible and manageable.
A list of Premier League "Bosmans":Interesting - thanks for posting. No one on that list really jumps out at me other than Guzan abd Cuellar - Klasnic is 31; probably a little old for now. Rodallega doesn't quite deliver the end product. Hoillett would be good but will go elsewhere probably.
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2011/11/07/2746465/premier-league-bosman-list-dimitar-berbatov-didier-drogba (http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2011/11/07/2746465/premier-league-bosman-list-dimitar-berbatov-didier-drogba)
I'd hope we keep Guzan and Cuellar. Of the rest I'd like us to show an interest in Hoilett, Klasnic and Rodallega.
I'm assuming we won't be looking at the likes of Berbatov and Drogba.
The Eagle Has LandedThe Hare is going back to Forest.
The owl flies at midnight.
Agree with your analysis, Steve.
If we do anything at all in January I'd rather we did something about central defence.
Will Baker and / or Lowry make it at CB?
I've had a look at a Millwall messageboard and they seem to rate Lowry very highly and want him signed up. Which is odd, given that Baker is touted as the better prospect.
A list of Premier League "Bosmans":
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2011/11/07/2746465/premier-league-bosman-list-dimitar-berbatov-didier-drogba
I'd hope we keep Guzan and Cuellar. Of the rest I'd like us to show an interest in Hoilett, Klasnic and Rodallega.
I'm assuming we won't be looking at the likes of Berbatov and Drogba.
Agree with your analysis, Steve.
If we do anything at all in January I'd rather we did something about central defence.
Will Baker and / or Lowry make it at CB?
I've had a look at a Millwall messageboard and they seem to rate Lowry very highly and want him signed up. Which is odd, given that Baker is touted as the better prospect.
Maybe Baker's happier playing there and Lowry thinks he's too good for them.
A list of Premier League "Bosmans":
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2011/11/07/2746465/premier-league-bosman-list-dimitar-berbatov-didier-drogba
I'd hope we keep Guzan and Cuellar. Of the rest I'd like us to show an interest in Hoilett, Klasnic and Rodallega.
I'm assuming we won't be looking at the likes of Berbatov and Drogba.
I'd take a punt on Salgado of Blackburn. He seems a prospect.
Dinosaur head has decamped.The Eagle Has LandedThe Hare is going back to Forest.
The owl flies at midnight.
Berbatov is the class on that list but probably beyond us.
Berbatov is the class on that list but probably beyond us.
he'll end up back on the continent somewhere. He was linked recently with a move back to his old club in Germany. Players of that ilk and where he is in his career will only play for established CL clubs or those with a bag of dough. Wouldn't shock me to see him at PSG.
Or Spurs.
Agree with your analysis, Steve.
If we do anything at all in January I'd rather we did something about central defence.
Will Baker and / or Lowry make it at CB?
I've had a look at a Millwall messageboard and they seem to rate Lowry very highly and want him signed up. Which is odd, given that Baker is touted as the better prospect.
Maybe Baker's happier playing there and Lowry thinks he's too good for them.
Do you mean the other way around?
I'd consider Klasnic as a decent and experienced backup, a replacement for Heskey who can score a few.
What did that fat Welsh c*** just say on MOTD2?
A list of Premier League "Bosmans":
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2011/11/07/2746465/premier-league-bosman-list-dimitar-berbatov-didier-drogba
I'd hope we keep Guzan and Cuellar. Of the rest I'd like us to show an interest in Hoilett, Klasnic and Rodallega.
I'm assuming we won't be looking at the likes of Berbatov and Drogba.
I'd take a punt on Salgado of Blackburn. He seems a prospect.
What the 53 year old spaniard?
A list of Premier League "Bosmans":
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2011/11/07/2746465/premier-league-bosman-list-dimitar-berbatov-didier-drogba
I'd hope we keep Guzan and Cuellar. Of the rest I'd like us to show an interest in Hoilett, Klasnic and Rodallega.
I'm assuming we won't be looking at the likes of Berbatov and Drogba.
I'd take a punt on Salgado of Blackburn. He seems a prospect.
What the 53 year old spaniard?
Salgado is old and crap!
It smells of inevitability. Barry, Milner, Young, Downing.... Bent. I can't see it being under 30 million plus though.
It smells of inevitability. Barry, Milner, Young, Downing.... Bent. I can't see it being under 30 million plus though.
How is it inevitable? At least two of those were for daft money while the other two had contracts running down.
It smells of inevitability. Barry, Milner, Young, Downing.... Bent. I can't see it being under 30 million plus though.
How is it inevitable? At least two of those were for daft money while the other two had contracts running down.
How does it make any difference if it is daft money, though? They still ended up going.
It smells of inevitability. Barry, Milner, Young, Downing.... Bent. I can't see it being under 30 million plus though.
How is it inevitable? At least two of those were for daft money while the other two had contracts running down.
How does it make any difference if it is daft money, though? They still ended up going.
Nobody is going to pay daft money for Bent this month.
If someone offered 30 million, and lets face it, there are 2 managers with big money that are desperate right now in Villas Boas and the King, he would be gone. I hope I am wrong, but when these things start gathering about our best players, we have an inevitable period and then lose the player. All of the above went after a concerted period of being linked away, the Bent thing has grown over the last month. I would bet a decent amount he won't start next season here.
He's only a youngster. You're all just miffed that you missed such a potential bargain.
He's only a youngster. You're all just miffed that you missed such a potential bargain.
Wasn't he one of Brice Jovial's deranged suggestions? Think it was him and Jimmy Bullard?
I would be very surprised if he goes this month.
Just to clarify we can only loan one player from the same club.(links with a loan for Pienaar)
Just to clarify we can only loan one player from the same club.(links with a loan for Pienaar)
Is Jenas still classed as on loan? Or is that for the same season as most prem loans are season long so us sending Jenas packing to spurs doesn't count.
I would straight buy Pienaar. Super player.
From the ever-reliable Daily Mirror:
Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish is ready to give Robbie Keane a shock return to the Premier League if he can cut through red tape.
The Republic of Ireland star is taking a break at the end of the MLS season with Los Angeles Galaxy, but McLeish would like to take him on loan for a couple of months.
Keane could be open to the plan to keep himself sharp before heading back to California and building up for the Euro 2012 finals with his country.
However Keane would need clearance from both LA Galaxy and the MLS - plus a big insurance payment - to make the move happen, but it is being explored by Villa.
I would straight buy Pienaar. Super player.
Couldn't disagree more.
Overrated, ineffective, jack of no trades.
I'd rather not bother and stick with the kids.
From the ever-reliable Daily Mirror:
Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish is ready to give Robbie Keane a shock return to the Premier League if he can cut through red tape.
The Republic of Ireland star is taking a break at the end of the MLS season with Los Angeles Galaxy, but McLeish would like to take him on loan for a couple of months.
Keane could be open to the plan to keep himself sharp before heading back to California and building up for the Euro 2012 finals with his country.
However Keane would need clearance from both LA Galaxy and the MLS - plus a big insurance payment - to make the move happen, but it is being explored by Villa.
Suggested this the other day and it wouldn't surprise me at all. Send Fonz out on loan and have Robbie Keane around for a bit to give us a spark off the bench. He's proven at PL level, needs to stay sharp ahead of the Euros, has three of his fellow Ireland players at he club, and is a short term commitment. I think it would be a good signing.
I would straight buy Pienaar. Super player.
Couldn't disagree more.
Overrated, ineffective, jack of no trades.
I'd rather not bother and stick with the kids.
Well Mcleish has said 'Yes, I say that now. He won't be leaving.' So hopefully that means Bent will not be going anywhere.He said that about Downing too, for the record i'm not trying to be a negative ******, I hope and think he'll stay.
Some journo says it's true.
Bit of a highlights player but can play wide and is creative and scores goals.
Are Spurs cancelling the Jenas loan then and letting us have Niko instead?
Just read a tweet about Kranjcar being at Villa Park today. Prob bs thoughWhile i'm not his biggest fan, he's technically good and if thats the type of player McLeish wants then it would show he wants to continue playing the football of the past few games which is encouraging.
Just read a tweet about Kranjcar being at Villa Park today. Prob bs thoughWhile i'm not his biggest fan, he's technically good and if thats the type of player McLeish wants then it would show he wants to continue playing the football of the past few games which is encouraging.
Some journo says it's true.
Bit of a highlights player but can play wide and is creative and scores goals.
Are Spurs cancelling the Jenas loan then and letting us have Niko instead?
With the likes of Ireland and Bannan in the squad, I don't think that's the sort of player we're crying out for, in all honesty.
Bannan has come through the ranks and has an affinity for the place, Ireland finally looks like he has the bit between his teeth. Both are better options for us than a gun for hire.
I would have said a DM is a priority for us, but with the form of Clark we can maybe hold back on that. I'd be interested in Diame though, if the price reflected his contract status.
Other than that, maybe a targetman, either loan or cutprice. So we can do away with the grim spectacle of Ivanhoe coming off the bench to bless us all with his falling down routine.
In which case they can take a running jump.
Maybe.In which case they can take a running jump.
Knock off a million or two and they can also have Delph for the rest of the season on loan. Deal?
I'd rather have a proper technical player like him than utter dross like Keith Andrews or Danny Guthrie in Midfield.
Having resorted back to normality today under AM, we have to get into the transfer market and we have to get some quality in, if that means selling player that have to be deemed somewhat surplus or just haven't worked out so be it.
Bent for me would bring a big pay day, Ireland should be got rid of but i doubt there would be any takers, probably we could improve on Dunne, and he would get some attention, its rumoured MON is looking at a couple of Villa players, odds on 1 is Petrov, so be it, problem is the commentator made reference's to the fact that Villa spent big last Jan transfer window with the purchase of Bent and Makoun but then went on to say he doubted that McLiesh would spend on anything other than a bargain, in which case is it worth selling anybody.
Then who Maz?
One thing i would like to see us do is give Carlos another contract.
One thing i would like to see us do is give Carlos another contract.
One thing i would like to see us do is give Carlos another contract.
Fucking hell. I was depressed after watching that pile of shit today but to read fans saying they would take Craig Gardner and Liam Ridgewell back takes the biscuit. Off to grate my dick against the back garden wall.
Fucking hell. I was depressed after watching that pile of shit today but to read fans saying they would take Craig Gardner and Liam Ridgewell back takes the biscuit. Off to grate my dick against the back garden wall.
Fucking hell. I was depressed after watching that pile of shit today but to read fans saying they would take Craig Gardner and Liam Ridgewell back takes the biscuit. Off to grate my dick against the back garden wall.DON'T DO IT!
Jelavic left out of the Rangers side today.
Jelavic and Krankjcar Croatian double deal?
I wonder if they have the same agent...
I would take Ridgwell over Warnock in an instant and Gardner for Collins sounds good too.
I would take Ridgwell over Warnock in an instant and Gardner for Collins sounds good too.
Gardner for Collins? Are you sure?
If we need a left back can we not try and sign Wayne Bridge again? I know we could never afford what he's currently on, but he does seem pretty desperate to play first team football so perhaps he'd be willing to take a significant paycut.
I would take Ridgwell over Warnock in an instant and Gardner for Collins sounds good too.
Blimey Steve, have you lost your mind? Warnock had a super game against Chelsea and he had a disaster today. The worst he's ever played for us, so normally he plays better than that. Keep a sense of balance mate. Liam Fucking Ridgewell - aka The Price of Calamity. That's the last thing we need. Plus, he's still on duty keeping that lot in the gutter.
Is that the Katie Price of Calamity? ;)
Havent lost my mind Toronto ( well maybe a little regarding Ridgewell) but I have never rated Warnock from day one always cutting inside and putting us in trouble, the occasional good game does not disguise his terrible shortcomings, he frightens me to death.
We also need a central defender that is better with the ball at his feet than Dunne, Collins and Cuellar. I know he is beyond us as he will go somewhere better but if we could get Samba who dominates, I would play Clark next to him and get rid of Dunne and Collins.
........ Cuellar stays right back.Sorted :)
If we need a left back can we not try and sign Wayne Bridge again? I know we could never afford what he's currently on, but he does seem pretty desperate to play first team football so perhaps he'd be willing to take a significant paycut.
Wayne Bridge wouldn't be in improvement on Warnock IMHO.
If we need a left back can we not try and sign Wayne Bridge again? I know we could never afford what he's currently on, but he does seem pretty desperate to play first team football so perhaps he'd be willing to take a significant paycut.
Wayne Bridge wouldn't be in improvement on Warnock IMHO.
I'd probably have agreed with you.. Until today..
Jelavic left out of the Rangers side today.
Jelavic and Krankjcar Croatian double deal?
I wonder if they have the same agent...
Kendrick has just tweeted that the Robbie Keane rumour is true, loan for 2 months.
Well. Aston Villa are like the Mounties. It doesn't matter how long it takes us, we always get our man.
What amazes me is that according to McLeish, he hasn't discussed the transfer window with Lerner yet. It's January, and as ever we don't appear to have any sort of plan.
I'm all for Keane coming in. He has something about him. He can make chances, he can also take them. It's something we need.
I'm all for Keane coming in. He has something about him. He can make chances, he can also take them. It's something we need.
I can't see the point. We already have the personnel, we just don't play in a way that allows us to create and score many goals. Adding Keane would do nothing to rectify that.
I'm all for Keane coming in. He has something about him. He can make chances, he can also take them. It's something we need.
I can't see the point. We already have the personnel, we just don't play in a way that allows us to create and score many goals. Adding Keane would do nothing to rectify that.
If suddenly Ireland loses form again, and we intend to carry on playing with an attacking midfielder behind Bent/Gabby then Keane would fit the role much better than Heskey.
Though I do agree our style of play is still the biggest issue.
What amazes me is that according to McLeish, he hasn't discussed the transfer window with Lerner yet. It's January, and as ever we don't appear to have any sort of plan.
I'm all for Keane coming in. He has something about him. He can make chances, he can also take them. It's something we need.
I can't see the point. We already have the personnel, we just don't play in a way that allows us to create and score many goals. Adding Keane would do nothing to rectify that.
If suddenly Ireland loses form again, and we intend to carry on playing with an attacking midfielder behind Bent/Gabby then Keane would fit the role much better than Heskey.
Though I do agree our style of play is still the biggest issue.
I don't understand where Keane would fit into the squad. If Bent doesn't play than surely Gabby gets his spot.. no? I don't want to see Gab get stuck out on the wing again.
So Stoke will have Diame and Palacios. Ouch.
Keane huh? 13 years too late. What about Benni McCarthy, has he become too fat or he could he finally do a job for us? Expect McGeadie in on the last day, as we beat MON to the signing.And Danny Blind? Is Keane injured yet?
Christ it's bad enough watching Villa and Ireland play separately without them turning into each other.
I'm all for Keane coming in. He has something about him. He can make chances, he can also take them. It's something we need.
I can't see the point. We already have the personnel, we just don't play in a way that allows us to create and score many goals. Adding Keane would do nothing to rectify that.
Robbie Keane, we should sign him.
Oh wait, just checked the calendar and its not 1999.
Robbie Keane, we should sign him.
Oh wait, just checked the calendar and its not 1999.
What have we got to lose on this. At least he'll add some competition up front and give us an option from the bench. Of course its 10 years too late, but I still believe that it is a good short term option.
Robbie Keane, we should sign him.
Oh wait, just checked the calendar and its not 1999.
What have we got to lose on this. At least he'll add some competition up front and give us an option from the bench. Of course its 10 years too late, but I still believe that it is a good short term option.
Jenas was a good short term option and . . . oh!
I'm all for Keane coming in. He has something about him. He can make chances, he can also take them. It's something we need.
I can't see the point. We already have the personnel, we just don't play in a way that allows us to create and score many goals. Adding Keane would do nothing to rectify that.
Watching the game yesterday it was screaming for one of the more forward players to drop deep and recieve the ball, as the defenders had virtually no forward passing options. Keane does that. He's different to our present strikers, so gives a genuine option to change a game off the bench.
On a short term deal I think it's worth doing.
Hands up who thought that this far into Randy's reign we'd be talking about taking Robbie Keane on loan and fans talk of re-signing Craig Gardner and Liam fucking Ridgewell.
Bit annoying to see us get passed off the park by a young, exciting side who earn relatively little wages in comparison to our overpaid, prehistoric cloggers, then come home and find we're signing another of Dunne's mates on big wages so he can get fit for the Euros.spot on! Get rid of the freeloading dinosaurs and try some hungry youngsters; can't do much worse.
Instead of paying him 60k a week for a few months, why don't we invest the money in a younger player from the Championship, or give Weimann a go? It's not like we're competing for anything afterall.
Bit annoying to see us get passed off the park by a young, exciting side who earn relatively little wages in comparison to our overpaid, prehistoric cloggers, then come home and find we're signing another of Dunne's mates on big wages so he can get fit for the Euros.spot on! Get rid of the freeloading dinosaurs and try some hungry youngsters; can't do much worse.
Instead of paying him 60k a week for a few months, why don't we invest the money in a younger player from the Championship, or give Weimann a go? It's not like we're competing for anything afterall.
As regards Weimann. Do you honestly think he's ready yet? And if he isn't do you think it is going to help him going into our current team?
Jacob butterfield keeps being mooted - he of Barnsley. From what have seen I like his play and young up and coming player with quality could be a shrewd signing.
If Keane comes in I can see either the Fonz or Heskey going. For different reasons, I don't think either has a future at the club.
As regards Weimann. Do you honestly think he's ready yet? And if he isn't do you think it is going to help him going into our current team?
Are you suggesting we loan him out again? It might happen with the potential arrival of Robbie Keane. Im surprised Weimann hasn't been given a chance yet especially over this busy festive period.
If 2 months of Keane on loan means we are selling Bent and waiting to the summer to replace it would not shock anyone would it. Depends on what is offered, but were I Bent, who is a finisher, not creating a single chance at home to Swansea would make me want to leave, his career has totally stagnated.
We're linked with Pienaar today. What are people's thoughts?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2081408/Aston-Villa-hunt-Tottenham-midfielder-Steven-Pienaar.html
Bit annoying to see us get passed off the park by a young, exciting side who earn relatively little wages in comparison to our overpaid, prehistoric cloggers, then come home and find we're signing another of Dunne's mates on big wages so he can get fit for the Euros.
Instead of paying him 60k a week for a few months, why don't we invest the money in a younger player from the Championship, or give Weimann a go? It's not like we're competing for anything afterall.
But Gabby's form has pretty much gone
Take your point, Neil, but we can still achieve a mix of youth and experience with what we've got; and give me the 110% effort coming from a kid taking their chance over the lumbering efforts of Heskey and Collins anytime.Bit annoying to see us get passed off the park by a young, exciting side who earn relatively little wages in comparison to our overpaid, prehistoric cloggers, then come home and find we're signing another of Dunne's mates on big wages so he can get fit for the Euros.spot on! Get rid of the freeloading dinosaurs and try some hungry youngsters; can't do much worse.
Instead of paying him 60k a week for a few months, why don't we invest the money in a younger player from the Championship, or give Weimann a go? It's not like we're competing for anything afterall.
Surely we need some kid of experience though and given our record of buying Championship players (Davis and Delph) I'd be very nervous about making that move.
As regards Weimann. Do you honestly think he's ready yet? And if he isn't do you think it is going to help him going into our current team?
But Gabby's form has pretty much gone
Really?
Slight exaggeration, I'd say. He's looked excellent for most of the season. There's not a lot he can do in a match like yesterday when the other 10 men (or nearly 10) are doing next to nothing.
But Gabby's form has pretty much gone
Really?
Slight exaggeration, I'd say. He's looked excellent for most of the season. There's not a lot he can do in a match like yesterday when the other 10 men (or nearly 10) are doing next to nothing.
But Gabby's form has pretty much gone
Really?
Slight exaggeration, I'd say. He's looked excellent for most of the season. There's not a lot he can do in a match like yesterday when the other 10 men (or nearly 10) are doing next to nothing.
Robbie Keane effectively retired from this standard of football about 5 years ago. I can not think of a more depressing signing. If it's going to be one of the MLS players I would rather have Juan Pablo Angel back for a couple of months.
Sky reporting Keane back training at Spurs prior to his imminent move to Aston villa
Keane=10 years too late.
The proposed Keane loan just confirms what a pathetic state we're in. A totally pointless waste of time and money.
The proposed Keane loan just confirms what a pathetic state we're in. A totally pointless waste of time and money.
But you are right - it is not a progressive move.The proposed Keane loan just confirms what a pathetic state we're in. A totally pointless waste of time and money.
Bent's off is the reason.
How does Robbie Keane for two months equate to Bent leaving?We have 5 strikers (I know some think Heskey is not even a footballer but he's on the books) so why would we bring in another if somebody wasnt going? My god - it might be Gabby - please no.
What happens when Keane goes back to LA for instance?
Nah, I very much doubt it.
How does Robbie Keane for two months equate to Bent leaving?We have 5 strikers (I know some think Heskey is not even a footballer but he's on the books) so why would we bring in another if somebody wasnt going? My god - it might be Gabby - please no.
What happens when Keane goes back to LA for instance?
Nah, I very much doubt it.
The Fonz has had very very limited pitch time, so that's a tad harsh. Where as the other guy - I will have a little party when he goes.How does Robbie Keane for two months equate to Bent leaving?We have 5 strikers (I know some think Heskey is not even a footballer but he's on the books) so why would we bring in another if somebody wasnt going? My god - it might be Gabby - please no.
What happens when Keane goes back to LA for instance?
Nah, I very much doubt it.
Heskey or Delfouneso - and we'd miss neither.
How does Robbie Keane for two months equate to Bent leaving?We have 5 strikers (I know some think Heskey is not even a footballer but he's on the books) so why would we bring in another if somebody wasnt going? My god - it might be Gabby - please no.
What happens when Keane goes back to LA for instance?
Nah, I very much doubt it.
Hope you are rightHow does Robbie Keane for two months equate to Bent leaving?We have 5 strikers (I know some think Heskey is not even a footballer but he's on the books) so why would we bring in another if somebody wasnt going? My god - it might be Gabby - please no.
What happens when Keane goes back to LA for instance?
Nah, I very much doubt it.
Because Keane is better than three of them. I'd be very, very suprised if Bent or Gabby left this window. I'd be even more suprised if this proposed Keane deal has anything to do with either of them leaving.
Robbie Keane will be no different to having say a Craig Bellamy, just with a better reputation.
Robbie Keane will be no different to having say a Craig Bellamy, just with a better reputation. He'll be used sparingly yet will keep Gabby and Bent on their toes, will offer far more than Heskey and Fonz and is a different type of striker to what we have right now. He will add some enthusiasm to the club and will want to do well to stay sharp ahead of the Euros. He has significant experience at this level, and is a short term commitment on the part of the club. He's not on a massive salary - around £35 grand a week at LA, and we might not even be paying all of it.
I'd be concerned if this was a permanent signing, but it's not. There's no lose in this situation because if it doesn't work he goes back. If it does then great. The worst thing would be if ends up somewhere else and does well, and we'd be asking why we didn't take advantage of the situation?
Robbie Keane will be no different to having say a Craig Bellamy, just with a better reputation. He'll be used sparingly yet will keep Gabby and Bent on their toes, will offer far more than Heskey and Fonz and is a different type of striker to what we have right now. He will add some enthusiasm to the club and will want to do well to stay sharp ahead of the Euros. He has significant experience at this level, and is a short term commitment on the part of the club. He's not on a massive salary - around £35 grand a week at LA, and we might not even be paying all of it.
I'd be concerned if this was a permanent signing, but it's not. There's no lose in this situation because if it doesn't work he goes back. If it does then great. The worst thing would be if ends up somewhere else and does well, and we'd be asking why we didn't take advantage of the situation?
In a nutshell.
Maybe Weimann gets another loan deal somewhere for a couple of months or if God truly hasn't abandoned us we pack Heskey off to MON.
I think you're doing an injustice to Bellamy TV,Keane has been off Premier league standard for two or three years now. I'd rather have Ireland or Bannan playing in his role.
I think you're doing an injustice to Bellamy TV,Keane has been off Premier league standard for two or three years now. I'd rather have Ireland or Bannan playing in his role.
His role, should he come, would be as a straiker off the bench to change a game and/or get us a goal. He's a different player to the two you mention, so I'd like both options on the bench and choose which is best during the game.
I think you're doing an injustice to Bellamy TV,Keane has been off Premier league standard for two or three years now. I'd rather have Ireland or Bannan playing in his role.
Fuck Bellamy. He isnt available for a short loan deal and Keane is.
I think you're doing an injustice to Bellamy TV,Keane has been off Premier league standard for two or three years now. I'd rather have Ireland or Bannan playing in his role.
Bellamy was playing Championship football last season and has only this season come back to Liverpool. He's got a proven record, and as Bellamy showed the other night still has the ability to make a difference given the opportunity. Plus, he is still playing for his country at a good level. He's not an every game forward anymore I'll grant you that, but he still has enough left in the tank to make a difference off the bench or based on specific circumstances.
I think you're doing an injustice to Bellamy TV,Keane has been off Premier league standard for two or three years now. I'd rather have Ireland or Bannan playing in his role.
Bellamy was playing Championship football last season and has only this season come back to Liverpool. He's got a proven record, and as Bellamy showed the other night still has the ability to make a difference given the opportunity. Plus, he is still playing for his country at a good level. He's not an every game forward anymore I'll grant you that, but he still has enough left in the tank to make a difference off the bench or based on specific circumstances.
Not sure that makes a good anti-Keane argument given that he'll be in the Euros this summer with Ireland and Bellamy won't?
Just like Pires was a great idea. Another spent force!Taking in past it players like Keane is not the answer.Robbie Keane will be no different to having say a Craig Bellamy, just with a better reputation. He'll be used sparingly yet will keep Gabby and Bent on their toes, will offer far more than Heskey and Fonz and is a different type of striker to what we have right now. He will add some enthusiasm to the club and will want to do well to stay sharp ahead of the Euros. He has significant experience at this level, and is a short term commitment on the part of the club. He's not on a massive salary - around £35 grand a week at LA, and we might not even be paying all of it.
I'd be concerned if this was a permanent signing, but it's not. There's no lose in this situation because if it doesn't work he goes back. If it does then great. The worst thing would be if ends up somewhere else and does well, and we'd be asking why we didn't take advantage of the situation?
In a nutshell.
Maybe Weimann gets another loan deal somewhere for a couple of months or if God truly hasn't abandoned us we pack Heskey off to MON.
Robbie Keane will be no different to having say a Craig Bellamy, just with a better reputation.
Well, and considerably shitter.
Bellamy is still a top level player. Keane isn't
Just like Pires was a great idea. Another spent force!Taking in past it players like Keane is not the answer.Robbie Keane will be no different to having say a Craig Bellamy, just with a better reputation. He'll be used sparingly yet will keep Gabby and Bent on their toes, will offer far more than Heskey and Fonz and is a different type of striker to what we have right now. He will add some enthusiasm to the club and will want to do well to stay sharp ahead of the Euros. He has significant experience at this level, and is a short term commitment on the part of the club. He's not on a massive salary - around £35 grand a week at LA, and we might not even be paying all of it.
I'd be concerned if this was a permanent signing, but it's not. There's no lose in this situation because if it doesn't work he goes back. If it does then great. The worst thing would be if ends up somewhere else and does well, and we'd be asking why we didn't take advantage of the situation?
In a nutshell.
Maybe Weimann gets another loan deal somewhere for a couple of months or if God truly hasn't abandoned us we pack Heskey off to MON.
Just like Pires was a great idea. Another spent force!Taking in past it players like Keane is not the answer.Robbie Keane will be no different to having say a Craig Bellamy, just with a better reputation. He'll be used sparingly yet will keep Gabby and Bent on their toes, will offer far more than Heskey and Fonz and is a different type of striker to what we have right now. He will add some enthusiasm to the club and will want to do well to stay sharp ahead of the Euros. He has significant experience at this level, and is a short term commitment on the part of the club. He's not on a massive salary - around £35 grand a week at LA, and we might not even be paying all of it.
I'd be concerned if this was a permanent signing, but it's not. There's no lose in this situation because if it doesn't work he goes back. If it does then great. The worst thing would be if ends up somewhere else and does well, and we'd be asking why we didn't take advantage of the situation?
In a nutshell.
Maybe Weimann gets another loan deal somewhere for a couple of months or if God truly hasn't abandoned us we pack Heskey off to MON.
It's not ideal and it's not what I'd hope for either, but at 31 Keane is still far more relevant than Pires was when we took him on. Plus Keane already knows half the team and has played with them.
I'm just saying there are far worse deals to do. Keane is better than Heskey. It's that simple.
Were some of you expecting a top striker coming in? I was expecting nothing to be honest so I suppose I'm O.K with this move if it happens.
It's a two month loan. I've had colds that have lasted longer than his Villa career is likely to be.
We've been linked with Robbie Keane since the days of John Gregory.....trust us to get him now.
I didnt expect to bring a forward on loan either, if it means replacing Heskey then great, can you imagine those 2 up front? It will give Dunne someone new to go and drink a gallon of Guiness with. (the last time i saw Keane he was totally pissed in a bar in NY). He will fit in well.Just like Pires was a great idea. Another spent force!Taking in past it players like Keane is not the answer.Robbie Keane will be no different to having say a Craig Bellamy, just with a better reputation. He'll be used sparingly yet will keep Gabby and Bent on their toes, will offer far more than Heskey and Fonz and is a different type of striker to what we have right now. He will add some enthusiasm to the club and will want to do well to stay sharp ahead of the Euros. He has significant experience at this level, and is a short term commitment on the part of the club. He's not on a massive salary - around £35 grand a week at LA, and we might not even be paying all of it.
I'd be concerned if this was a permanent signing, but it's not. There's no lose in this situation because if it doesn't work he goes back. If it does then great. The worst thing would be if ends up somewhere else and does well, and we'd be asking why we didn't take advantage of the situation?
In a nutshell.
Maybe Weimann gets another loan deal somewhere for a couple of months or if God truly hasn't abandoned us we pack Heskey off to MON.
It's not ideal and it's not what I'd hope for either, but at 31 Keane is still far more relevant than Pires was when we took him on. Plus Keane already knows half the team and has played with them.
I'm just saying there are far worse deals to do. Keane is better than Heskey. It's that simple.
Were some of you expecting a top striker coming in? I was expecting nothing to be honest so I suppose I'm O.K with this move if it happens.
It's a two month loan. I've had colds that have lasted longer than his Villa career is likely to be.
Robbie Keane went on loan last January and helped West Ham to get relegated.
Robbie Keane will be no different to having say a Craig Bellamy, just with a better reputation.
Well, and considerably shitter.
Bellamy is still a top level player. Keane isn't
I hate Keane, simply because of all the pointing he does and his poxy goal celebrations.
We've been linked with Robbie Keane since the days of John Gregory.....trust us to get him now.
Robbie Keane will be no different to having say a Craig Bellamy, just with a better reputation.
Well, and considerably shitter.
Bellamy is still a top level player. Keane isn't
Absolutely. Bellamy has been superb for Liverpool this season.
As for Keane, I'm with Chris Jameson, that goal celebration really is utterly pathetic.
We've been linked with Robbie Keane since the days of John Gregory.....trust us to get him now.
I didn't want him back then, and I certainly;y don't want him now; a washed-up EPL reject on high wages is the last thing we need, as proved last season by Robert Pires. Please, please...NO!!
Just read a skysports journo tweet that QPR and Sunderland are battling it out for James Collins. I think something between £6-£8m is about right?
Just read a skysports journo tweet that QPR and Sunderland are battling it out for James Collins. I think something between £6-£8m is about right?
I'll be happily stunned if it is more than £5 mil
Just read a skysports journo tweet that QPR and Sunderland are battling it out for James Collins. I think something between £6-£8m is about right?
I'll be happily stunned if it is more than £5 mil
Christ, getting some money for him would be a bonus.
I would be happy with Keane in (on a short term loan) Heskey & Collins out. Sick of the sight of both of them.Ireland has the crowd on his side now. He will warm to that.
There's been rumours of Krancjar & Pienaar. Decent attacking players, hopefully Ireland will kick on now & make that role his own.
Dunne has a good bit of ball control at times. Having to cover for Warnock meant he was getting countless balls passed back to him against Swansea. I think he was put under undue pressure and was getting loads of stick like 'don't pass it to him, he's useless.' He is good at his job but people need to accept that he is a centre half. I wouldn't want to play against him.Just read a skysports journo tweet that QPR and Sunderland are battling it out for James Collins. I think something between £6-£8m is about right?
I'll be happily stunned if it is more than £5 mil
Christ, getting some money for him would be a bonus.
Yep. I actually think Dunne is fine. Yes, he makes some errors but overall he's good to have around. We just need to split up the comedy twins, because together it's a disaster waiting to happen. Then you've got two other muppets at full back. We need a young, quick CB to play alongside Dunne to clean up.
If you want guaranteed goals there is only one man and that is Kevin Phillips. Should never have let him go. Too late now but he is a proper poacher and doesn't miss many sitters.
Dunne, though not without his faults, is a much, much better player than Collins
Dunne, though not without his faults, is a much, much better player than Collins
Simply put, Collins is a West Ham level defender that we bought from..er...West Ham....
Cripes, if someone is seriously willing to pay £6-8m for Collins then we should bite their hands off shouldn't we? Get Cuellar in his place plus we have Clark/Baker to call on and then use that money to improve the team elsewhere.
Craig Gardner? Really? After all the badge kissing down the road?
Gardner would not be a good replacement for Petrov at all.
I disagree, Gardner is a good player, battles well and scores goals. Him, Clark and Gary in there together would work well IMO, and he battles enough to allow a Bannan to play a bit.Which is all well and good, but means that one of the only good points of our season so far (Petrov), who is pretty much the glue holding everything together at the moment isn't in the team.
I disagree, Gardner is a good player, battles well and scores goals. Him, Clark and Gary in there together would work well IMO, and he battles enough to allow a Bannan to play a bit.
Just read a skysports journo tweet that QPR and Sunderland are battling it out for James Collins. I think something between £6-£8m is about right?
I'll be happily stunned if it is more than £5 mil
Robbie Keane will be no different to having say a Craig Bellamy, just with a better reputation.
Well, and considerably shitter.
Bellamy is still a top level player. Keane isn't
Absolutely. Bellamy has been superb for Liverpool this season.
As for Keane, I'm with Chris Jameson, that goal celebration really is utterly pathetic.
it is pathetic, but only palatable if he's just scored for us.
Dunne, though not without his faults, is a much, much better player than Collins
In this ridiculous market, I don't think it's that stupid.
We took him from West Ham's treatment room for £5m. I'd say that his occasionally great and frequently hopeless performances put him comfortably above the likes of Anton Ferdinand who was £6m or so. I'd say his stock has risen rather than fallen over his time with us.
QPR and Sunderland both have money to spend, might as well make it worth our while.
Spurs by any chance?
Back on to Keane, i think we can all agree that his best days are behind him, but it's not as if we're not paying £6m for him like we might have done a year or two ago. For two months, i can't see what harm it can do.
As for Collins, i'd rather keep him until the summer then sell him, but if the fee is £8m (which i doubt) it would be hard to turn down.
I love to see us put an offer in for Redmond personally. For his age, he looks a hell of a player.
I love to see us put an offer in for Redmond personally. For his age, he looks a hell of a player.
Yeung's going to be desperate for cash very shortly. A cheeky but not insulting offer for him might go down a treat.
Back on to Keane, i think we can all agree that his best days are behind him, but it's not as if we're not paying £6m for him like we might have done a year or two ago. For two months, i can't see what harm it can do.
As for Collins, i'd rather keep him until the summer then sell him, but if the fee is £8m (which i doubt) it would be hard to turn down.
I love to see us put an offer in for Redmond personally. For his age, he looks a hell of a player.
For 8 million pounds i'd be willing to create a human centipede and let him walk over us.Back on to Keane, i think we can all agree that his best days are behind him, but it's not as if we're not paying £6m for him like we might have done a year or two ago. For two months, i can't see what harm it can do.
As for Collins, i'd rather keep him until the summer then sell him, but if the fee is £8m (which i doubt) it would be hard to turn down.
I love to see us put an offer in for Redmond personally. For his age, he looks a hell of a player.
Christ, for 8 million pounds we should be prepared to form a human chain to pass him all the way up to Sunderland, hand to hand.
If we get offered anything like £8million for Collins we need to snap their hands off!
Robbie Keane may be about ten seasons too late but for two months he is a better proposition coming off the bench than Heskey or Delfouneso. I haven't seen enough of Weimann to say if he's a better option than him but Keane will be hungry to play and make an impact so nothing to lose in signing him for me
Craig Gardner? No thanks, would rather have Craig Revel Horwood
If we get offered anything like £8million for Collins we need to snap their hands off!
Robbie Keane may be about ten seasons too late but for two months he is a better proposition coming off the bench than Heskey or Delfouneso. I haven't seen enough of Weimann to say if he's a better option than him but Keane will be hungry to play and make an impact so nothing to lose in signing him for me
Craig Gardner? No thanks, would rather have Craig Revel Horwood
I'd happily take Robbie Keane if the other side of it was never having to see that useless lump Heskey toiling around for us again.
...the kind of move a club with limited scouting and limited imagination might pull.Check. Check.
Keane is pish. Yes, he's better than Heskey but then so are 99% of the strikers outside of the conference. I'm better as well and i'd be gutted if AM tried to sign me
...the kind of move a club with limited scouting and limited imagination might pull.Check. Check.
I was hugely against the idea when it was mooted a while back for £6m and a three year contract.
But a two-month loan where he plays instead of Heskey? Fine by me.
Keane is pish. Yes, he's better than Heskey but then so are 99% of the strikers outside of the conference. I'm better as well and i'd be gutted if AM tried to sign me
Because you'd have to show your face at Villa Park?
You walked into that one.
Why would Keane want to come and play for us for a couple of months. It would not be as if he was putting himself in the shop window for a permanent move back to the PL. If he thinks that it is, he is as sadly deluded as some of us.
Keane is pish. Yes, he's better than Heskey but then so are 99% of the strikers outside of the conference. I'm better as well and i'd be gutted if AM tried to sign me
Because you'd have to show your face at Villa Park?
You walked into that one.
meh. bottom line is Keane would be an improvement on Heskey but then the bar's so low it doesn't really matter. what is the point in having someone on loan on top wages who's better than heskey when you could play almost anyone and they'd be better than heskey. You don't need to do a world wide search to find someone better than Heskey. A quick look through the Villa youth teams over 15 would find a better striker than heskey. You want ideally someome who's better or at least at the same level as Bent or Gabby. minimum is someone better than the fonz
Keane is pish. Yes, he's better than Heskey but then so are 99% of the strikers outside of the conference. I'm better as well and i'd be gutted if AM tried to sign me
Because you'd have to show your face at Villa Park?
You walked into that one.
meh. bottom line is Keane would be an improvement on Heskey but then the bar's so low it doesn't really matter. what is the point in having someone on loan on top wages who's better than heskey when you could play almost anyone and they'd be better than heskey. You don't need to do a world wide search to find someone better than Heskey. A quick look through the Villa youth teams over 15 would find a better striker than heskey. You want ideally someome who's better or at least at the same level as Bent or Gabby. minimum is someone better than the fonz
Keane is on around £35 grand a week in LA. Hardly top wages, and it would be likely we wouldn't be the entire thing. Even if it was, for two months hardly the end of the world.
Keane is pish. Yes, he's better than Heskey but then so are 99% of the strikers outside of the conference. I'm better as well and i'd be gutted if AM tried to sign me
Because you'd have to show your face at Villa Park?
You walked into that one.
meh. bottom line is Keane would be an improvement on Heskey but then the bar's so low it doesn't really matter. what is the point in having someone on loan on top wages who's better than heskey when you could play almost anyone and they'd be better than heskey. You don't need to do a world wide search to find someone better than Heskey. A quick look through the Villa youth teams over 15 would find a better striker than heskey. You want ideally someome who's better or at least at the same level as Bent or Gabby. minimum is someone better than the fonz
Keane is on around £35 grand a week in LA. Hardly top wages, and it would be likely we wouldn't be the entire thing. Even if it was, for two months hardly the end of the world.
I still don't see the logic unless someone is moving on. If he was any good then we get him for 2 months. big deal. As is, we get someone who's not as good as our two main strikers for two months, so a rather expensive reserve that we don't keep.....
Ask any West Ham fan what they think of Keane after his loan spell there last season. The impression I have been given is that he sauntered around not caring about any element of his performances because he knew his time there was short. He barley set the SPL alight a few years back and that was yet another "Dream Move" to the sixth team he'd supported since boyhood. I'm hoping that Celtic do come in and 'hijack' the proposed move as I'd be much happier getting a proper look at Weimann, to be honest. We've got very little to lose this season as the first half has drained a lot of enthusiasm from the stands so give the lad an opportunity for an extended period.
Not even in Sainsburys basics, we are firmly in Lidl (pronounced Leeedl by the way, as I was told repeatedly in Berlin) at the moment.
how is the late robbie keane a boost? Landon donovan is a half decent player. Keane is arse. He had to go to to yankland to get a game. Blimey juan pablo Angel would have at least stirred the memories and he was pretty bobbins all told even in his prime. rather have uncle bob back.is too true. I shall be glad when he's been put out to grass as am heartily sick of the transfer window open= robbie keane to Villa rumours. Still at least nobodies mentioned Bentley yet now he's found his level.
The Bent to Liverpool rumours are getting stronger with Lawro saying on radio 5 last night that there are massive rumours in Liverpool that the deal is done.
I see Cahill seems to be getting a bit greedy now. £70000 p/w isn't enough for him. Anyone would think he was 1st choice England Defender and has been playing CL football week in / week out for one of the top teams rather then not playing very well at Bolton.
The Bent to Liverpool rumours are getting stronger with Lawro saying on radio 5 last night that there are massive rumours in Liverpool that the deal is done.
Talksport have put on their website that Aston villa have told them that Darren Bent is not for sale at any price! They have not been contacted and that no bid will be entertained.
At last our club have opened their mouths.
ALEX McLeish has insisted Stewart Downing is “not for sale” after Randy Lerner rejected Liverpool’s £15 million bid for Villa’s star of last season.
McLeish remains determined to hold onto Downing despite Kenny Dalglish testing the claret and blues’ resolve with an offer for the England winger.
But Liverpool – who completed the signing of former Villa midfield target Charlie Adam from Blackpool yesterday – are unlikely to be deterred easily. And McLeish and Lerner could have a major dilemma on their hands if Downing forces the issue and the Reds return with a bid nearer to £20 million.
Villa’s new boss had a conversation with Downing last week and will meet the former Middlesbrough favourite for a more detailed discussion tomorrow.
McLeish is reluctant to lose a second star player just weeks after Downing’s international team-mate Ashley Young joined Manchester United for £16 million.
Villa are adamant they have no desire to sell Downing who cost £10 million, rising to £12 million, when he arrived on crutches with a fractured foot two years ago.
“He had a magnificent season last year and really came to full maturity as a top player,” said McLeish.
“I understand why there’s teams interested in him and that is what happens when you play well consistently.
“His performances last season were top drawer.
“That’s why he’s not for sale. The club don’t want to sell him. I spoke to him briefly last week and I intend speaking to him again when all the lads are back in for training.”
Talksport have put on their website that Aston villa have told them that Darren Bent is not for sale at any price! They have not been contacted and that no bid will be entertained.
At last our club have opened their mouths.
Hmmm.QuoteALEX McLeish has insisted Stewart Downing is “not for sale” after Randy Lerner rejected Liverpool’s £15 million bid for Villa’s star of last season.
McLeish remains determined to hold onto Downing despite Kenny Dalglish testing the claret and blues’ resolve with an offer for the England winger.
But Liverpool – who completed the signing of former Villa midfield target Charlie Adam from Blackpool yesterday – are unlikely to be deterred easily. And McLeish and Lerner could have a major dilemma on their hands if Downing forces the issue and the Reds return with a bid nearer to £20 million.
Villa’s new boss had a conversation with Downing last week and will meet the former Middlesbrough favourite for a more detailed discussion tomorrow.
McLeish is reluctant to lose a second star player just weeks after Downing’s international team-mate Ashley Young joined Manchester United for £16 million.
Villa are adamant they have no desire to sell Downing who cost £10 million, rising to £12 million, when he arrived on crutches with a fractured foot two years ago.
“He had a magnificent season last year and really came to full maturity as a top player,” said McLeish.
“I understand why there’s teams interested in him and that is what happens when you play well consistently.
“His performances last season were top drawer.
“That’s why he’s not for sale. The club don’t want to sell him. I spoke to him briefly last week and I intend speaking to him again when all the lads are back in for training.”
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At the end of the day, if the club don't really want to sell him, they just need to reject any offers.
If we don't, where does this end?
A third of the fans don't want Bent anyway, so they will be happy if he goes..the rest of us just hope its media talk, but really until something happens we should calm down a bit.
I do agree it would be lovely to be chasing big name players in a transfer window rather than being worried we are selling again...
A third of the fans don't want Bent anyway, so they will be happy if he goes..the rest of us just hope its media talk, but really until something happens we should calm down a bit.
I do agree it would be lovely to be chasing big name players in a transfer window rather than being worried we are selling again...
A third of the fans don't want Bent anyway
You are right John, my mistake I read it too quickly; I need to calm down!
Its still too many, we finally have a goal scorer, we have cried out for this for years so lets keep him and feed him.
A third of the fans don't want Bent anyway, so they will be happy if he goes..the rest of us just hope its media talk, but really until something happens we should calm down a bit.
I do agree it would be lovely to be chasing big name players in a transfer window rather than being worried we are selling again...
which third is that? I find it very hard to believe that 33% of Aston Villa supporters do not want one of the most prolific goalscorers in PL history, and a current England international who's goals saved us from relegation last season wearing our colours.
A third of the fans don't want Bent anyway
The poll on the Darren Bent thread would suggest that less than a quarter don't want him. Personally, I'm baffled as to why even than many of us have taken leave of our senses!
A third of the fans don't want Bent anyway
The poll on the Darren Bent thread would suggest that less than a quarter don't want him. Personally, I'm baffled as to why even than many of us have taken leave of our senses!
Here's a rumour about us from Sporting Life:
"Aston Villa are considering a £6m bid for Celtic playmaker Ki Sung-Yueng."
? ? ?
Here's a rumour about us from Sporting Life:
"Aston Villa are considering a £6m bid for Celtic playmaker Ki Sung-Yueng."
? ? ?
At the end of the day, if the club don't really want to sell him, they just need to reject any offers.
If we don't, where does this end?
I expect him to go. The tactics don't suit him, we can get similar quality for half the fee we'll receive and we've no money to invest elsewhere.People keep saying that there's "similar" quality out there - who? All I've seen are rumours about Cole and Zamora; hardly setting the pulse racing. All the clubs are after a proven goalscorer - there ain't many out there!
People say Randy has changed since pre-MON, but I think it's more recent than that. The singings last January and the targets Houllier had lined up suggest money was there then. I think it changed post Houllier's departure.Maybe RL's reluctance to stick with GHou was precisely because of the proposed signings, rather than as you see it. Maybe the money was not available for GHou's 'grand plan'.
Maybe having to pay MON compensation was the final straw for Randy.
I expect him to go. The tactics don't suit him, we can get similar quality for half the fee we'll receive and we've no money to invest elsewhere.
People say Randy has changed since pre-MON, but I think it's more recent than that. The singings last January and the targets Houllier had lined up suggest money was there then. I think it changed post Houllier's departure.
Maybe having to pay MON compensation was the final straw for Randy.
As for the Bent to Liverpool rumour I believe it's media hype from certain Liverpool loving journos. I heard that they only have a budget of £10m and are trying for Jelavic from Rangers, which makes sense considering the dosh they spent in the summer which hasn't got them very far has it?
Here's a rumour about us from Sporting Life:
"Aston Villa are considering a £6m bid for Celtic playmaker Ki Sung-Yueng."
? ? ?
On something loosely related, anyone know why Barry didn't take the penalty?
When was the last time we signed a bargain who's gone on to do really well?
When was the last time we signed a bargain who's gone on to do really well?
Delaney?
On something loosely related, anyone know why Barry didn't take the penalty?yeah, he'd been sent off by then ;)
I'm guessing that with Gabby, Bent, Fonz and Weimann a striker wasn't top of our list. Plus weren't there some doubts over his longterm fitness?Which sort of says it all: 2 proven strikers, one who has had 2 seasons to prove himself off the bench and has not done so, and one that has not been given any sort of opportunity. Oh, and Heskey.
Newcastle have several quality bargains, Ba, Tiote, Cabaye, Guitierrez and I expect Santon.
So now were looking in admiration at Newcastle's transfer policy. Great.
So now were looking in admiration at Newcastle's transfer policy. Great.In fairness they've got quality at low cost, that's ideal isn't it?
I'm not saying its a bad thing. It's just a sad reflection on how things are now, compared to x3 years ago.
I'm not saying its a bad thing. It's just a sad reflection on how things are now, compared to x3 years ago.
Our transfer policy was a bit hit and miss then. Other clubs have played the market better than us for decades.
Newcastle have several quality bargains, Ba, Tiote, Cabaye, Guitierrez and I expect Santon.
whoever is head of scouting up there has done a terrific job with much the same resources that Mcleish has been given. I hope that Mcleish is able to pull some rabbits out of his backside in the 20 something days.
Shay Given hopefully! But we should have signed Ba, we only have two senior strikers.
Slightly linked but is Glenn Roeder still involved with us? He was scouting last year wasn't he or did I dream that?
Shay Given hopefully! But we should have signed Ba, we only have two senior strikers.
I don't think a 5 year contract at his age puts him in the bargain category to be honest. Delaney was a good shout.
Barry from Brighton was a bargain, bloody ages ago though.
I'm having Laursen then.Barry from Brighton was a bargain, bloody ages ago though.
He was more of a youth signing though.
Barry from Brighton was a bargain, bloody ages ago though.
He was more of a youth signing though.
Barry from Brighton was a bargain, bloody ages ago though.
He was more of a youth signing though.
Sort-of. I think we signed him on pro forms at 17.
Barry from Brighton was a bargain, bloody ages ago though.
He was more of a youth signing though.
Sort-of. I think we signed him on pro forms at 17.
Barry from Brighton was a bargain, bloody ages ago though.
He was more of a youth signing though.
Sort-of. I think we signed him on pro forms at 17.
I thought we'd got him earlier than that. He made his first team debut for us aged 17 didn't he?
Barry from Brighton was a bargain, bloody ages ago though.
He was more of a youth signing though.
Sort-of. I think we signed him on pro forms at 17.
I thought we'd got him earlier than that. He made his first team debut for us aged 17 didn't he?
We signed him on the day (or the day before) Brian resigned in February 1998 and he made his debut v Sheffield Wednesday at the end of that season. I still say he's the best 17 year old I've ever see and that includes Brian Little & Sid.
Barry from Brighton was a bargain, bloody ages ago though.
He was more of a youth signing though.
Sort-of. I think we signed him on pro forms at 17.
I thought we'd got him earlier than that. He made his first team debut for us aged 17 didn't he?
We signed him on the day (or the day before) Brian resigned in February 1998 and he made his debut v Sheffield Wednesday at the end of that season. I still say he's the best 17 year old I've ever see and that includes Brian Little & Sid.
So now were looking in admiration at Newcastle's transfer policy. Great.
Slightly linked but is Glenn Roeder still involved with us? He was scouting last year wasn't he or did I dream that?
He was doing some opponent-scouting. I believe some regarded it as The Last Straw.
That was when he signed his first pro contract. He actually joined us the year before I think.
That was when he signed his first pro contract. He actually joined us the year before I think.
Wikipedia says '97, the Mercury says '98. Both reliable sources.
That was when he signed his first pro contract. He actually joined us the year before I think.
Wikipedia says '97, the Mercury says '98. Both reliable sources.
Obviously one of them are not that reliable as they have got it wrong!
That was when he signed his first pro contract. He actually joined us the year before I think.
Wikipedia says '97, the Mercury says '98. Both reliable sources.
Obviously one of them are not that reliable as they have got it wrong!
That should be 'reliable'. It may be 1997, I don't know for sure but I always thought he signed pro straight from Brighton.
Nope, I was right definitely 1997:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2007/mar/18/newsstory.sport
Surely at £400k the bargain of the last two centuries was God.
Otherwise, Mark Lillis.
What about Beinlich (sp?) - didn't he go on to be a bit of a star? Not with us obviously.
That's a bit different from the £5-8 million knocked about yesterday ha!!
Suppose it's the starting bid price
What about Beinlich (sp?) - didn't he go on to be a bit of a star? Not with us obviously.
i went to the reserve game when him and Breitkreutz made their debuts.
I thought Beinlich looked gash, but Breitkreutz looked fucking brilliant.
When was the last time we signed a bargain who's gone on to do really well?
What about Beinlich (sp?) - didn't he go on to be a bit of a star? Not with us obviously.
i went to the reserve game when him and Breitkreutz made their debuts.
I thought Beinlich looked gash, but Breitkreutz looked fucking brilliant.
Was that a reserve game, thought is was an early cup game but that was my opinion as well when I saw them.
i went to the reserve game when him and Breitkreutz made their debuts.
I thought Beinlich looked gash, but Breitkreutz looked fucking brilliant.
Was that a reserve game, thought is was an early cup game but that was my opinion as well when I saw them.
Definitely a reserve game. I've only ever been to a handful.
Mebbe one of the mods could transfer this thread to the villa memories section then we could all reminisce when we bought bargains. Or Anyone. Either way we need a new thread entitled "Aston Villa Firesale - Everything must go"
Mebbe one of the mods could transfer this thread to the villa memories section then we could all reminisce when we bought bargains. Or Anyone. Either way we need a new thread entitled "Aston Villa Firesale - Everything must go"You won't be saying that if Robbie Keane rocks up at Villa Park.
Mebbe one of the mods could transfer this thread to the villa memories section then we could all reminisce when we bought bargains. Or Anyone. Either way we need a new thread entitled "Aston Villa Firesale - Everything must go"
Have your sources told you we're selling loads of players then Greg?
Mebbe one of the mods could transfer this thread to the villa memories section then we could all reminisce when we bought bargains. Or Anyone. Either way we need a new thread entitled "Aston Villa Firesale - Everything must go"You won't be saying that if Robbie Keane rocks up at Villa Park.
What about Beinlich (sp?) - didn't he go on to be a bit of a star? Not with us obviously.
i went to the reserve game when him and Breitkreutz made their debuts.
I thought Beinlich looked gash, but Breitkreutz looked fucking brilliant.
Shoot are linking us to Steve bull.
the keane deal seems stupidity especially from the "wage bill is too high" angle. If the problem is the wages why are we willing to spend 250k minimum for his wages for 2 months. Unless the whole wages thing is bullshit. Now there's a thought....
the keane deal seems stupidity especially from the "wage bill is too high" angle. If the problem is the wages why are we willing to spend 250k minimum for his wages for 2 months. Unless the whole wages thing is bullshit. Now there's a thought....
I honestly don't see the thinking in getting Keane. Hes a two month obligation, but it is still money.
Mebbe one of the mods could transfer this thread to the villa memories section then we could all reminisce when we bought bargains. Or Anyone. Either way we need a new thread entitled "Aston Villa Firesale - Everything must go"You won't be saying that if Robbie Keane rocks up at Villa Park.
aye. It will be like a new Back to the Future where Marty's turned up in 1998
Mebbe one of the mods could transfer this thread to the villa memories section then we could all reminisce when we bought bargains. Or Anyone. Either way we need a new thread entitled "Aston Villa Firesale - Everything must go"You won't be saying that if Robbie Keane rocks up at Villa Park.
aye. It will be like a new Back to the Future where Marty's turned up in 1998
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
As long as we bought a good replacement it wouldn't bother me if Collins left. I'm sick of seeing him hoof the ball up the pitch.
Kendrick just tweeted that talks with Galaxy going well,Keane could be in line to make debut against Everton....ye gods.
Kendrick just tweeted that talks with Galaxy going well,Keane could be in line to make debut against Everton....ye gods.
I saw that this morning too. Surely with him coming in, someone will be going out?
dunno. don't want to risk him staying by overpricing him.
I thought Cahill was off for £8mill, in that case £3mill for Collins is great for us.
I would love 5 million back on Collins, he is so quick to hoof the ball it gets depressing. QPR can afford 6 million. More worryingly though, the Daily Mail article says he is in talks over a 2 year contract extension! Yikes.
As for Keane - 750k for 6 matches. If we have trouble with our wage bill then that is complete and utter insanity and Paul Faulkner as CEO should be putting the kybosh on it!
As for Keane - 750k for 6 matches. If we have trouble with our wage bill then that is complete and utter insanity and Paul Faulkner as CEO should be putting the kybosh on it!
As for Keane - 750k for 6 matches. If we have trouble with our wage bill then that is complete and utter insanity and Paul Faulkner as CEO should be putting the kybosh on it!
Is that right - where did you hear it?
He's reportedly on £35k a week in America, so even if we're paying it all, which I doubt we are, then for 2 months that's only £280k. I know there will be a loan fee and insurance costs involved, but even then I can't see £750k being right?
Apparently, Josh McEachran will be deciding within the next 24hrs whether he wants to come to villa or swansea on loan. I dont really know much about him, what is his natural position?The bench.
goal.com running an exclusive were gona bid for Drogba! just imagine it heskey certainly off! If he would drop his wages to 80,000 a week and take a hefty sign on fee I certainly take him! Maybe there will be a few surprises this transfer window and its false were not willing to spend big but just more sensibly now on the right players.
goal.com/en/news/596/exclusive/2012/01/04/2831012/aston-villa-make-sensational-move-for-chelseas-didier-drogba?
As for Keane - 750k for 6 matches. If we have trouble with our wage bill then that is complete and utter insanity and Paul Faulkner as CEO should be putting the kybosh on it!
Is that right - where did you hear it?
He's reportedly on £35k a week in America, so even if we're paying it all, which I doubt we are, then for 2 months that's only £280k. I know there will be a loan fee and insurance costs involved, but even then I can't see £750k being right?
Loan fee and insurance bump according to Kendrick in the mail. It is ridiculous amounts!
As for Keane - 750k for 6 matches. If we have trouble with our wage bill then that is complete and utter insanity and Paul Faulkner as CEO should be putting the kybosh on it!
Is that right - where did you hear it?
He's reportedly on £35k a week in America, so even if we're paying it all, which I doubt we are, then for 2 months that's only £280k. I know there will be a loan fee and insurance costs involved, but even then I can't see £750k being right?
Loan fee and insurance bump according to Kendrick in the mail. It is ridiculous amounts!
As for Keane - 750k for 6 matches. If we have trouble with our wage bill then that is complete and utter insanity and Paul Faulkner as CEO should be putting the kybosh on it!
Is that right - where did you hear it?
He's reportedly on £35k a week in America, so even if we're paying it all, which I doubt we are, then for 2 months that's only £280k. I know there will be a loan fee and insurance costs involved, but even then I can't see £750k being right?
Loan fee and insurance bump according to Kendrick in the mail. It is ridiculous amounts!
That would amount to gross negligence from the board to sanction that, utter utter madness. So we try and control wage bill and do something idiotic like this.
I like the Ki-Sung Yeung speculation. I think he's a good central midfielder that could thrive in the Prem. He's confident on the ball and very composed, he has a great eye for long passes on the floor and has a hell of a shot. I'd take Wanyama too.
I like the Ki-Sung Yeung speculation. I think he's a good central midfielder that could thrive in the Prem. He's confident on the ball and very composed, he has a great eye for long passes on the floor and has a hell of a shot. I'd take Wanyama too.
Isn't Drogba off to Africa for a month or so? Or has he retired?
Apparently, Josh McEachran will be deciding within the next 24hrs whether he wants to come to villa or swansea on loan. I dont really know much about him, what is his natural position?The bench.
I thought Cahill was off for £8mill, in that case £3mill for Collins is great for us.
Cahill's going for £7m and if Collins also had 6 months left on his contract I'd take the £3m.
As for Keane - 750k for 6 matches. If we have trouble with our wage bill then that is complete and utter insanity and Paul Faulkner as CEO should be putting the kybosh on it!
Is that right - where did you hear it?
He's reportedly on £35k a week in America, so even if we're paying it all, which I doubt we are, then for 2 months that's only £280k. I know there will be a loan fee and insurance costs involved, but even then I can't see £750k being right?
Loan fee and insurance bump according to Kendrick in the mail. It is ridiculous amounts!
He says between £500k and £750k, but then in another part of the same article:-
Villa’s loan swoop for Robbie Keane is in the balance as the club weigh up whether a two-month deal costing up to a quarter-of-a-million pounds would be value for money.
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/01/05/aston-villa-transfer-update-robbie-keane-deal-is-in-the-balance-no-move-for-tottenham-star-97319-30064204/
Seems to be a bit conflicting, but if it is £750k or near it I'd so it's not worth the money.
I agree with your general point, Toronto, but when weighing up a deal the club should be looking at the overall cost and not just the headline transfer fee. £750k for 2 months of Robbie Keane is too much, IMO.
If we signed McEachran, his position would be right in the way of Gary Gardner. Why give their players experience at the expense of our own?
Diame and Samba.
Diame and Samba.
If Bent goes to Liverpool, I'd give Drogba his 2.5 year contract too.
Suggestion.
Samba would be pricey. £15m+ now, but get the groundwork in for the Summer when they go down.
Diame is on a free. Sort a deal with him for the Summer and they'll sell him on the cheap.
He messed up a bit the other night too, but Figueroa is a good, attacking left back, I think.Given
Hutton - Samba - Dunne - Figueroa
Diame - Petrov - Ireland
N'Zogbia - Drogba - Gabby
Selling Bent and Collins would see us about even. Before factoring in Cuellar, Beye, Heskey going etc.
If you believe media reports, he supposedly wants 100k a week for 2 years (starting from this Summer).
Again, media reports suggest Bent is on 80k per week. I know this is very rough, but £26m in and 20k p/w extra over 2 years would leave us with about 23.5m left to invest in the squad elsewhere to break even.
I just don't think we should totally discount selling him. Even though I do not want him to be sold, I could see the board and McLeish deciding it's the best option.
Apparently, Josh McEachran will be deciding within the next 24hrs whether he wants to come to villa or swansea on loan. I dont really know much about him, what is his natural position?This is insanity with the kids we have. He brings virtually no experience with him so why 'blood' him for Chels?
Drogba cough Ginola cough....Seasonal illness, Ozz?
Suggestion.But hang on a minute: I thought the club had decided not to go spend on new players! I can't see 4 established P'ship players coming into the squad anytime soon.
Samba would be pricey. £15m+ now, but get the groundwork in for the Summer when they go down.
Diame is on a free. Sort a deal with him for the Summer and they'll sell him on the cheap.
He messed up a bit the other night too, but Figueroa is a good, attacking left back, I think.Given
Hutton - Samba - Dunne - Figueroa
Diame - Petrov - Ireland
N'Zogbia - Drogba - Gabby
Selling Bent and Collins would see us about even. Before factoring in Cuellar, Beye, Heskey going etc.
Drogba cough Ginola cough....Seasonal illness, Ozz?
What madness to bring in someone like Drogba whom Chelsea have had trouble motivating.
If we are wanting to run the club on strict financial lines, then you have to invest in younger playeres with some resale. End of.
Bringing in the likes of Drogba runs completely contrary to what we're being told.
When Spurs were linked with Samba recently I'm sure it was for a lot less than £15m. I also think Alex might be gettable from Chelsea.
It seems that Mcleish is adopting the O'Neill approach to transfers, British Isles only.
Are people really turning their noses up at Drogba? Not that he'd come here anyway.
It seems that Mcleish is adopting the O'Neill approach to transfers, British Isles only.
To be honest if I were a player like Hoillett or Samba I wouldn't choose to go to Villa. We have shown absolutely no ambition of late and appear very much in the decline.
yet of his 4 signings (Pires, Walker, Makoun & Bent) only one was from overseas.
bad news chaps, according to Tom Ross, Eck has said Robbie Keane is the only bit of business he expects to be doing this transfer window. He should be signed by next week before the Everton game.
bad news chaps, according to Tom Ross, Eck has said Robbie Keane is the only bit of business he expects to be doing this transfer window. He should be signed by next week before the Everton game.
yet of his 4 signings (Pires, Walker, Makoun & Bent) only one was from overseas.
Half of them surely?
It seems that Mcleish is adopting the O'Neill approach to transfers, British Isles only.
yet of his 4 signings (Pires, Walker, Makoun & Bent) only one was from overseas.
Half of them surely?
It seems that Mcleish is adopting the O'Neill approach to transfers, British Isles only.
N'Zogbia's British?
Zoot alors!
According to AM on SSN...
Keane deal is 50-50 at the moment
He has no intention of selling Bent
According to AM on SSN...
Keane deal is 50-50 at the moment
He has no intention of selling Bent
Oh sounds promising maybe he won't be joining.
We are now being compared to Bolton, it's depressing.
We are now being compared to Bolton, it's depressing.
Even Yorke was having a pop last night, saying he hopes Newcastle don't end up 'like Aston Villa' and motivation becomes a problem in the second half of the season if they're out of contention for Europe and the cup.
So that's the likes of Paul Scholes, Benoit Assou-Ekotto and now Yorke who have readily used our name to illustrate what mediocrity/ lack of ambition looks like in recent months. Is it just isolated thinking on their part, or indicative of our image now across the board?
The perception of us as 'boring, boring Villa' is a new one mind you.Cant remember the specific game but that started last season under GH.
Diame and Samba.
If Bent goes to Liverpool, I'd give Drogba his 2.5 year contract too.
I am with you Kevin. France, Holland and our own lower leagues provide enough players at the 20-25 bracket at a decent price that are worth the gamble.
McEachran and Keane.. you can hear the barrel being scrapped. I thought Montgomerie had come in as chief scout, surely he can find better than this? A 20 year old Arteta would be good!
The perception of us as 'boring, boring Villa' is a new one mind you.Cant remember the specific game but that started last season under GH.
Even Yorke was having a pop last night, saying he hopes Newcastle don't end up 'like Aston Villa' and motivation becomes a problem in the second half of the season if they're out of contention for Europe and the cup.
So that's the likes of Paul Scholes, Benoit Assou-Ekotto and now Yorke who have readily used our name to illustrate what mediocrity/ lack of ambition looks like in recent months. Is it just isolated thinking on their part, or indicative of our image now across the board?
I think most neutrals have seen us for quite some time as a middle of the road premier league team. The perception of us as 'boring, boring Villa' is a new one mind you.
The perception of us as 'boring, boring Villa' is a new one mind you.Cant remember the specific game but that started last season under GH.
We were described in The Fiver the other night as "moribund" which I thought summed it up perfectly.
Diame and Samba.
If Bent goes to Liverpool, I'd give Drogba his 2.5 year contract too.
Add Onouha to that list for me.
Onouha, Diame and Samba, I doubt those players are unrealistic for us even in our present state and I doubt their wages would be an issue either.
Striking department can stay as it is until the summer.
The Keane of five years ago was decent but not now,cannot see any sense in this whatsoever, why put noses out of joint especially the younger brigade to fit an ageing has been in for a few weeks? where is the benefit. Lets say he does well and scores a few what happens when he leaves? from top to bottom we are rudderless, i would prefer an owner who attends every home game and shares the misery.
Haven't Spurs bid 15mill for Samba and Hoillet.
I'd say we out the question if it's a choice between us and them.
Haven't Spurs bid 15mill for Samba and Hoillet.
I'd say we out the question if it's a choice between us and them.
I take that as 8m for Samba and 7m for Holliet.
Still maintain, whack James Collins in the deal plus 3-4m and try and get Samba that way.
The perception of us as 'boring, boring Villa' is a new one mind you.Cant remember the specific game but that started last season under GH.
We were described in The Fiver the other night as "moribund" which I thought summed it up perfectly.
My first thought when I heard Keane mentioned was 'Surely we aren't that desperate' but apparently we are. Worrying times.
12 years too late. Who are we going to try for next, Benni McCarthy? Juninho?
mebbe i'm being a bit thick but Keane's been over there since August and he's only played 4 games?? Is this mid-season break 6 months long or do they only play about 8 games a season?
mebbe i'm being a bit thick but Keane's been over there since August and he's only played 4 games?? Is this mid-season break 6 months long or do they only play about 8 games a season?
Just had a quick look and it say 3 starts 1 on as sub, so 4 played and the rest as unused sub.
Not prolific then.
mebbe i'm being a bit thick but Keane's been over there since August and he's only played 4 games?? Is this mid-season break 6 months long or do they only play about 8 games a season?
Just had a quick look and it say 3 starts 1 on as sub, so 4 played and the rest as unused sub.
Not prolific then.
aye. i must admit i'm clueless of the set-up over there but you'd think he'd have got more than 4 games since August. So not just shit but lacking match practice as well. oh joy.
so 4 appearances in 20 odd games? jesus it just gets worse. I suppose we should be thankful Lerner hasn't tried to sign Beckham as well
so 4 appearances in 20 odd games? jesus it just gets worse. I suppose we should be thankful Lerner hasn't tried to sign Beckham as well
mebbe i'm being a bit thick but Keane's been over there since August and he's only played 4 games?? Is this mid-season break 6 months long or do they only play about 8 games a season?
mebbe i'm being a bit thick but Keane's been over there since August and he's only played 4 games?? Is this mid-season break 6 months long or do they only play about 8 games a season?
He played in 8 games (started 7) and scored 3. The worry is he has been out injured as well. He played in their post season playoff ames as well which come under separate stats.
mebbe i'm being a bit thick but Keane's been over there since August and he's only played 4 games?? Is this mid-season break 6 months long or do they only play about 8 games a season?
He played in 8 games (started 7) and scored 3. The worry is he has been out injured as well. He played in their post season playoff ames as well which come under separate stats.
mebbe i'm being a bit thick but Keane's been over there since August and he's only played 4 games?? Is this mid-season break 6 months long or do they only play about 8 games a season?
He played in 8 games (started 7) and scored 3. The worry is he has been out injured as well. He played in their post season playoff ames as well which come under separate stats.
ah right. bloody wikipedia
because no-one can understand it John. If it was a view to a permanent deal then you could at least understand it if not agree, but 2 months as a reserve behind Gabby and Bent for 750k because he's "better than Heskey" just seems mental
If we sign Keane, we could do something we've never done before. Any idea what it is?
If we sign Keane, we could do something we've never done before. Any idea what it is?
If we sign Keane, we could do something we've never done before. Any idea what it is?
That was my guess too.If we sign Keane, we could do something we've never done before. Any idea what it is?
have four current Irish internationals playing in the same side?
If we sign Keane, we could do something we've never done before. Any idea what it is?
If we sign Keane, we could do something we've never done before. Any idea what it is?
That was my guess too.If we sign Keane, we could do something we've never done before. Any idea what it is?
have four current Irish internationals playing in the same side?
Field a team of Irish players.
I saw it on Kendrick's Twitter too.
because no-one can understand it John. If it was a view to a permanent deal then you could at least understand it if not agree, but 2 months as a reserve behind Gabby and Bent for 750k because he's "better than Heskey" just seems mental
and is all that set in stone, we know its 750k do we ? we know all the ins and outs of the deal that hasnt even been done yet.
listen i wouldnt be rushing down the street to sign Keane, but i dont see it as the catastrophe its being made out on here to be
Field a team of Irish players.
I saw it on Kendrick's Twitter too.
well we do need a bit of luck
Have 2 players with over 100 pl goals to their name in the same side?
Have 2 players with over 100 pl goals to their name in the same side?
Good shout, I thought this was it as soon as you said it.
But Yorke and Cole, Sheringham and Ferdinand and Bergkamp and Henry have all done it.
Have 2 players with over 100 pl goals to their name in the same side?
Good shout, I thought this was it as soon as you said it.
But Yorke and Cole, Sheringham and Ferdinand and Bergkamp and Henry have all done it.
Well... It sort of is, isn't it? *winky*
(Although Wiki says Bent is only on 96!)
Erm...
Something to do with international captains?!
I wonder how sharp he's looking in training at Spurs. At least he's doing it with quality players.If he was looking sharp Arry would have signed him, because he isnt we have.
Have 2 players with over 100 pl goals to their name in the same side?
Good shout, I thought this was it as soon as you said it.
But Yorke and Cole, Sheringham and Ferdinand and Bergkamp and Henry have all done it.
I said we've done. Other clubs have done it before.
He'll probably score 8 in 8 games or something mental.
And then bugger off.
Leaving us with Ivanhoe.
*gloom*
Villa will cover Keane's £42,000-a-week wages during his time at the club and there is also expected to be a loan fee in the region of £500,000.
Thats not to say that he will be play all 8 games and I'd be very surprised if he gets more than a few sub appearances let alone play a full 90 minutes. In a time where the club is cutting costs all over the place this has to be one of the most ridiculous decisions I've ever known by the club. It just doesnt make sense whatever way you look at it.QuoteVilla will cover Keane's £42,000-a-week wages during his time at the club and there is also expected to be a loan fee in the region of £500,000.
From the Guardian.
Such a lazy signing. That's almost a million quid for someone who'll play for eight games. Surely we could invest that better?
Have 2 players with over 100 pl goals to their name in the same side?
Good shout, I thought this was it as soon as you said it.
But Yorke and Cole, Sheringham and Ferdinand and Bergkamp and Henry have all done it.
I said we've done. Other clubs have done it before.
Is it a bit of a let down, like, the first time we have signed a player from an American club??
Villa link flatters Mulongoti
Congolese defender dreams of playing in the Premier League
By Giscard Gourizro. Last Updated: January 5, 2012 10:07pm
Assani Lukimya-Mulongoti has welcomed reports linking him with Aston Villa, claiming he has always dreamt of turning out in the Premier League.
The Congo international is currently on the books of German second division outfit Fortuna Dusseldorf, but he is being strongly linked with a January exit.
The highly-rated defender is enjoying an eye-catching 2011/12 campaign and is expected to make the step up into a higher division in the near future
A switch to England has been touted, with Villa said to be leading the hunt.
The 25-year-old admits he would struggle to turn down such an opportunity, with the speculation having turned his head.
"My dream is to one day play in the Premier League," Lukimya-Mulongoti told Sky Sports.
"I am flattered by the link with Aston Villa as they are a great club.
"I am trying to improve so that one day I can go to the Premier League and play against all of the top strikers that are there."
Sky website has us linked with this bloke. With quotes:Is he the Congolese Zidane ?
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Villa link flatters Mulongoti
Congolese defender dreams of playing in the Premier League
By Giscard Gourizro. Last Updated: January 5, 2012 10:07pm
Assani Lukimya-Mulongoti has welcomed reports linking him with Aston Villa, claiming he has always dreamt of turning out in the Premier League.
The Congo international is currently on the books of German second division outfit Fortuna Dusseldorf, but he is being strongly linked with a January exit.
The highly-rated defender is enjoying an eye-catching 2011/12 campaign and is expected to make the step up into a higher division in the near future
A switch to England has been touted, with Villa said to be leading the hunt.
The 25-year-old admits he would struggle to turn down such an opportunity, with the speculation having turned his head.
"My dream is to one day play in the Premier League," Lukimya-Mulongoti told Sky Sports.
"I am flattered by the link with Aston Villa as they are a great club.
"I am trying to improve so that one day I can go to the Premier League and play against all of the top strikers that are there."
If we sold Darren Bent then I'd be looking to spend the money wisely on a few players. I'd try for Jonas Olsson from WBA, Hoillett & olsson from Blackburn Rovers and if we've enough left over then a Bid for a striker, maybe Kenwyne Jones, or Jermaine Defoe.
If we get £30m for Bent, which I sincerely hope does not happen, then I'd be looking at Alex for CB and a midfielder this window - maybe Diame. That should leave a good chunk for a replacement striker, who I'd be prepared to wait until the summer for if necessary.
Who was that striker from Germany we were linked with the other day?
His record for us is more or less one every other game, so I can't see how that would lead to his value dropping.
If you look back at why Stephen Ireland pulled out of the Irish squad you will find that he fell out with Robbie Keane amonst others.
Has there been any update on the lad who took on trial recently? Djalo, wasn't it?
Apparently, Sky sports oh so reliable sources have said that QPR have bid £5m for Samba.
Apparently, Sky sports oh so reliable sources have said that QPR have bid £5m for Samba.
Apparently, Sky sports oh so reliable sources have said that QPR have bid £5m for Samba.
Bugger, was hoping they'd go for Collins.
Apparently, Sky sports oh so reliable sources have said that QPR have bid £5m for Samba.
If that is accepted we should be in for him at that price.
Any more guesses?
Apparently, Sky sports oh so reliable sources have said that QPR have bid £5m for Samba.
If that is accepted we should be in for him at that price.
No it wasn't.
No it wasn't.
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No it wasn't.
http://tinyurl.com/77dq5xu
You've lost me there.
No it wasn't.
http://tinyurl.com/77dq5xu
You've lost me there.
Total error by me! ignore that.
No it wasn't.
http://tinyurl.com/77dq5xu
You've lost me there.
Total error by me! ignore that.
I grant you absolution.
Used to be a time when Villa fielded most of the Irish team. It's back to basics.
Birmingham had more paid Paddy workers than the whole of the Republic back then, and most chose to support the Villa even though a good lot of them lived in Sparkhill! I wonder why?
Could we field a team with 11 different nationalities and a British Isles team?
Apparently, Sky sports oh so reliable sources have said that QPR have bid £5m for Samba.
If that is accepted we should be in for him at that price.
I'd say at least half the PL would be saying the same thing.
If we get £30m for Bent, which I sincerely hope does not happen, then I'd be looking at Alex for CB and a midfielder this window - maybe Diame. That should leave a good chunk for a replacement striker, who I'd be prepared to wait until the summer for if necessary.
Who was that striker from Germany we were linked with the other day?
Sow's gone to Turkey I think
Sow's gone to Turkey I think
Well I'm sure they'll reap the benefits.
Out
Bent £30m
Collins £5m
Warnock £3m
Petrov £3m (unfortunately)
Out
Bent £30m
Collins £5m
Warnock £3m
Petrov £3m (unfortunately)
£5 for Collins and £3m each for Warnock/Petrov ?
I can't see any of them fetching half that much
If we'd really wanted to, could we not have done that anyway?
Given
Hutton
Dunne
Collins
Warnock
N'Zogbia
Petrov
Clark
Bannan
Agbonlahor
Bent
Guzan
Lichaj
Beye
Jenas
Ireland
Makoun
Heskey
Thats not to say that he will be play all 8 games and I'd be very surprised if he gets more than a few sub appearances let alone play a full 90 minutes. In a time where the club is cutting costs all over the place this has to be one of the most ridiculous decisions I've ever known by the club. It just doesnt make sense whatever way you look at it.QuoteVilla will cover Keane's £42,000-a-week wages during his time at the club and there is also expected to be a loan fee in the region of £500,000.
From the Guardian.
Such a lazy signing. That's almost a million quid for someone who'll play for eight games. Surely we could invest that better?
I's just point out that the speculation around the cost of Keane is just that - speculation! I can't see Randy, given our current thriftiness, going as high as £500 for a 2 month loan.
Out
Bent £30m
Collins £5m
Warnock £3m
Petrov £3m (unfortunately)
£5 for Collins and £3m each for Warnock/Petrov ?
I can't see any of them fetching half that much
You reckon that Etienne Capoue would only be 7m? He'd be a great signing.
You reckon that Etienne Capoue would only be 7m? He'd be a great signing.
yeah dont see why not prices are extremely low in Ligue 1 by the looks of it. Cabaye for 5/6m was a steal!
M'Bengue (left back) should be available for around 6m. Sure Capoue wouldnt be much more than 7. Think he'd be a fantastic signing for us to be honest
You reckon that Etienne Capoue would only be 7m? He'd be a great signing.
yeah dont see why not prices are extremely low in Ligue 1 by the looks of it. Cabaye for 5/6m was a steal!
M'Bengue (left back) should be available for around 6m. Sure Capoue wouldnt be much more than 7. Think he'd be a fantastic signing for us to be honest
Haven't you heard anything coming out of the club?
People even thinking about players they'd like us to sign at 6 or 7m a pop are going to be really disappointed.
I think Paulie's point still stands.
Instead, we'll sell Bent for £22m and sign Keane on loan, Steven Davis and/or Craig Gardner.
Haha. Very good.
Completely away from us, 'cos we'll never get him. But Redknapp has just publicly announced that Demba Ba has a release clause (rumoured to be £5m) in his contract.
Wouldn't surprise me as when he signed for West Ham he insisted he got a release on a free clause if they got relegated.
Looks to me like the transfer window is dead, due mainly to the fact nobody has any money, with the exception of Man City
Looks to me like the transfer window is dead, due mainly to the fact nobody has any money, with the exception of Man City
Apparantly have to sell to buy
Haha. Very good.
Completely away from us, 'cos we'll never get him. But Redknapp has just publicly announced that Demba Ba has a release clause (rumoured to be £5m) in his contract.
Wouldn't surprise me as when he signed for West Ham he insisted he got a release on a free clause if they got relegated.
Harry Redknapp. Never one to do his transfer business outside of the press!
Haha. Very good.
Completely away from us, 'cos we'll never get him. But Redknapp has just publicly announced that Demba Ba has a release clause (rumoured to be £5m) in his contract.
Wouldn't surprise me as when he signed for West Ham he insisted he got a release on a free clause if they got relegated.
Harry Redknapp. Never one to do his transfer business outside of the press!
i reckon Kaka will go to Spurs before the end of the transfer window, with Modric moving to Man utd
I reckon, Collins aside we won't see anyone leave.
My bets on who is coming in are Keane and a cheapo midfielder, probably on loan like Jenas.
Haha. Very good.
Completely away from us, 'cos we'll never get him. But Redknapp has just publicly announced that Demba Ba has a release clause (rumoured to be £5m) in his contract.
Wouldn't surprise me as when he signed for West Ham he insisted he got a release on a free clause if they got relegated.
Harry Redknapp. Never one to do his transfer business outside of the press!
i reckon Kaka will go to Spurs before the end of the transfer window, with Modric moving to Man utd
My thoughts exactly, think this will be the big move of the window that and Wesley Sneijder going to Man City .
Independent reports that Rooney may be surplus at Man Utd.
Nursey just said we want Jonas Olsson to replace Collins
Independent reports that Rooney may be surplus at Man Utd.
IF Samba and Hoilet are going at 15 million for the pair, I really don't care what the wages situation is in the immediate term, we should be in for both as they make sound business sense. One is 21 and obviously on a path to become a top premier league player and will easily profit in 3-4 years time, and the other is a brilliant centre half and a beast from set plays where we struggle. Sell Collins to off-set one of the wages, the others will be covered in the summer when Beye, Heskey and Cuellar are out of contract anyway. I accept the need to get the wages in line, but there is also something about taking the opportunities when they present themselves, and it is damned frustrating that we are not looking to do so.
Cue statement of denial from all parties.
Statement on Wayne Rooney
Issued by Manchester United, Paul Stretford of Triple S Sports and Entertainment Group and Ian Monk Associates
Manchester United and Wayne Rooney have been made aware of the theme of an article in tomorrow's Independent newspaper.
We have not seen the detail but can assure all United fans that the Manager and the Club are committed to Wayne Rooney and Wayne is committed to the Manager and the Club.
The player and the Manager have always had and retain, the utmost respect for each other and look forward to working together in the coming seasons.
Any suggestion that Manchester United and Wayne Rooney are to part company is complete nonsense.
That Rhodes kid got 5 tonight. 27 this season. Must be worth a scout.
Jaws and cock Ball were there watching.That Rhodes kid got 5 tonight. 27 this season. Must be worth a scout.
Remarkable isn't it? Spurs are meant to be in for him.
That Rhodes kid got 5 tonight. 27 this season. Must be worth a scout.
OK, did I miss the post when DW revealed what we could do for the first time?
OK, did I miss the post when DW revealed what we could do for the first time?
Apparently it was field a team and subs of full internationals or something like that.
Interesting,
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch/liverpool-deal-for-bent-is-done
Is he the geezer who got herd sent off?
And to be fair, Darren Cann was more at fault than Phil Dowd.Is he the geezer who got herd sent off?
Yep.
Although to be fair Phil Dowd was more at fault than Olsson
Interesting,
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch/liverpool-deal-for-bent-is-done
Interesting,
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch/liverpool-deal-for-bent-is-done
Putting that on an official site is disgraceful and I hope Villa will be complaining.
Is he the geezer who got herd sent off?And said on MOTD that Herd had stamped on him.
Interesting,
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch/liverpool-deal-for-bent-is-done
Putting that on an official site is disgraceful and I hope Villa will be complaining.
All in the past now, I suppose, but Phil Thompson just said on Soccer Saturday that Houllier said he had Cabaye all lined up for four million, but the board wouldn't stump up the cash for him.
I have now adjusted my expectations from 'not very high' to 'lousy'.
Cabaye himself said that he was probably going to be joining if Houllier had stayed with us.All in the past now, I suppose, but Phil Thompson just said on Soccer Saturday that Houllier said he had Cabaye all lined up for four million, but the board wouldn't stump up the cash for him.
I have now adjusted my expectations from 'not very high' to 'lousy'.
Well if that's true that was a terrible terrible decision by the board.
IF Samba and Hoilet are going at 15 million for the pair, I really don't care what the wages situation is in the immediate term, we should be in for both as they make sound business sense.
Cabaye himself said that he was probably going to be joining if Houllier had stayed with us.All in the past now, I suppose, but Phil Thompson just said on Soccer Saturday that Houllier said he had Cabaye all lined up for four million, but the board wouldn't stump up the cash for him.
I have now adjusted my expectations from 'not very high' to 'lousy'.
Well if that's true that was a terrible terrible decision by the board.
So I'd say it's more that the board were happy for Houllier to sign him if he had stayed.
That Rhodes kid got 5 tonight. 27 this season. Must be worth a scout.
I see your Rhodes and I raise a Guy Whittingham and a Jermaine Beckford
Although i concede he could also be an Ian Wright or a Dean Ashton.
Liverpool have always been my least favourite side and each year my dislike of them intensifies.
That Rhodes kid got 5 tonight. 27 this season. Must be worth a scout.
I see your Rhodes and I raise a Guy Whittingham and a Jermaine Beckford
Although i concede he could also be an Ian Wright or a Dean Ashton.
worth a gamble for me
would defonz score that many goals in that league . no , so he would be better than what we have .
I would like us to take a gamble on Rhodes.
Cabaye himself said that he was probably going to be joining if Houllier had stayed with us.All in the past now, I suppose, but Phil Thompson just said on Soccer Saturday that Houllier said he had Cabaye all lined up for four million, but the board wouldn't stump up the cash for him.
I have now adjusted my expectations from 'not very high' to 'lousy'.
Well if that's true that was a terrible terrible decision by the board.
So I'd say it's more that the board were happy for Houllier to sign him if he had stayed.
That's fair enough then, it's a shame we didn't get him.
http://avillafan.com/site/2012/01/07/mystery_deal_to_buy_villa/#comment-1783The writer of that piece is Dave Beeston. Who's he?
if u look at the reasons it does make sense.
what would you think about wealthy owners?
http://avillafan.com/site/2012/01/07/mystery_deal_to_buy_villa/#comment-1783
if u look at the reasons it does make sense.
what would you think about wealthy owners?
I have been following this "The man that can" and i have to tell myself it cannot be possibly true. Cause if it did not happen i would be even more depressed than i am already ..........PS. People who say they would not like Villa to end up like Man CIty get real. My mate of 20yrs who is a Man City fan has never been so happy he even goes up the bar on a regular basis now !!!!!!!we are quite like the old city at the moment mid table not going any were i seem to remember city being in that positon
I have been following this "The man that can" and i have to tell myself it cannot be possibly true. Cause if it did not happen i would be even more depressed than i am already ..........PS. People who say they would not like Villa to end up like Man CIty get real. My mate of 20yrs who is a Man City fan has never been so happy he even goes up the bar on a regular basis now !!!!!!!we are quite like the old city at the moment mid table not going any were i seem to remember city being in that positon
look at these reasons
1. Randy has scrapped plans to re-develop the North Stand.
2. The wage bill has been cut by nearly £500k p/w
3. 17 players left in last summers window.
4. Randy not being as present at Villa Park as he used to
http://avillafan.com/site/2012/01/07/mystery_deal_to_buy_villa/#comment-1783
if u look at the reasons it does make sense.
what would you think about wealthy owners?
If true i would love it , blowing man city and utd out of the water and getting the top world stars in claret and blue would be marvellous after so many barren years , we may even tempt greg down to the ground , bring it on -enjoy it while it lasts mancini coz jose mourinho s claret and blues are coming to get you!
Now where did put that other bottle?
I have been following this "The man that can" and i have to tell myself it cannot be possibly true. Cause if it did not happen i would be even more depressed than i am already ..........PS. People who say they would not like Villa to end up like Man CIty get real. My mate of 20yrs who is a Man City fan has never been so happy he even goes up the bar on a regular basis now !!!!!!!we are quite like the old city at the moment mid table not going any were i seem to remember city being in that positon
look at these reasons
1. Randy has scrapped plans to re-develop the North Stand.
2. The wage bill has been cut by nearly £500k p/w
3. 17 players left in last summers window.
4. Randy not being as present at Villa Park as he used to
No problem seeing why randy would sell, but why would they want to buy us ? Hope it happens though
http://avillafan.com/site/2012/01/07/mystery_deal_to_buy_villa/#comment-1783
if u look at the reasons it does make sense.
what would you think about wealthy owners?
Maybe "The One Armed Man" is going to buy us.Sounds like a bit of a bandit to me.
That all has the distinct air of utter bollocks. But god damn you I still got a little bit excited.
Having said that, after Mystery Man's rumours over the summer I'm going to exit this thread and believe it when I see it.
Hasn't Lerner expressly denied the selling on rumours?
sell bent to liverpool and buy jordan rhodesKeep Bent and buy Jordan Rhodes.
That all has the distinct air of utter bollocks. But god damn you I still got a little bit excited.
Having said that, after Mystery Man's rumours over the summer I'm going to exit this thread and believe it when I see it.
Hasn't Lerner expressly denied the selling on rumours?
Espanyol and Villareal could get Cuellar this month according to one of today's tabloids ... probably rubbish then, but just passing it on! The same rag has us chasing a player from AZ in Holland called Brett Holman, an Aussie. Yeah, right!
Espanyol and Villareal could get Cuellar this month according to one of today's tabloids ... probably rubbish then, but just passing it on! The same rag has us chasing a player from AZ in Holland called Brett Holman, an Aussie. Yeah, right!
I can't imagine Carlos Cuellar playing in the Spanish league, he just hasn't got the quality of passing they like, he is a half decent centre half, but not what you expect to see in Spain.
I think we can safely assume that Randy is balancing the books to sell. The good egg that he is, he is leaving the club in the best possible position... i.e paying back the debt (to his own company of course) so that a buyer can come in with a clean slate. Fair play to him... he always said he wa only a custodian of this great club. Hopefully he'll show sound judgement in selecting an appropriate buyer. That means no Indian chicken farmers.
I think we can safely assume that Randy is balancing the books to sell. The good egg that he is, he is leaving the club in the best possible position... i.e paying back the debt (to his own company of course) so that a buyer can come in with a clean slate. Fair play to him... he always said he wa only a custodian of this great club. Hopefully he'll show sound judgement in selecting an appropriate buyer. That means no Indian chicken farmers.
How do you work that out?
I reckon he's balancing the books because he's lost interest (not bothered turning up much this year) and he's had enough of investing in it.
There's not a single shred of credible evidence that anyone is going to buy the club, no matter how much we want it to happen.
So how can we "safely assume" anything at all in that?
And people seem to be talking about some bunch of Qataris and getting excited - they're not getting excited because they think they're going to be prudent, they're getitng excited because they think they're going to spunk money over us in a frenzied attempt to buy trophies. If that's the case, how bothered are they going to be about the wage bill when they buy the club?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love nothing more than Randy to sell to someone who wants to spaff money all over us, but there's not a single shred of evidence to suggest that that is what is going to happen - let alone anything to merit assuming anything.
Even though there isn't, wasn't, and never will be one.
So how can we "safely assume" anything at all in that?
And people seem to be talking about some bunch of Qataris and getting excited - they're not getting excited because they think they're going to be prudent, they're getitng excited because they think they're going to spunk money over us in a frenzied attempt to buy trophies. If that's the case, how bothered are they going to be about the wage bill when they buy the club?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love nothing more than Randy to sell to someone who wants to spaff money all over us, but there's not a single shred of evidence to suggest that that is what is going to happen - let alone anything to merit assuming anything.
Even though there isn't, wasn't, and never will be one.
Even though there isn't, wasn't, and never will be one.
So Aston Villa is the only business in the western world that underwent a major organisational change and didn't have a plan for the subsequent 5 years?
Even though there isn't, wasn't, and never will be one.
So Aston Villa is the only business in the western world that underwent a major organisational change and didn't have a plan for the subsequent 5 years?
I don't know how every business in the western world conducts its operations. Do you? In fact, can you name another football club where the phrase 'five year plan' is bandied about by supporters to the point of obsession?
Even though there isn't, wasn't, and never will be one.
So Aston Villa is the only business in the western world that underwent a major organisational change and didn't have a plan for the subsequent 5 years?
I don't know how every business in the western world conducts its operations. Do you? In fact, can you name another football club where the phrase 'five year plan' is bandied about by supporters to the point of obsession?
Even though there isn't, wasn't, and never will be one.
So Aston Villa is the only business in the western world that underwent a major organisational change and didn't have a plan for the subsequent 5 years?
I don't know how every business in the western world conducts its operations. Do you? In fact, can you name another football club where the phrase 'five year plan' is bandied about by supporters to the point of obsession?
Of course I don't. But I know that if a business is undergoing a major organisational change, and requires significant financial backing, then it should have a 3-5 year plan. I can't believe that RAL didn't have one, being a modern forward thinking company... and one that expected to succeed rather than fail.
Even though there isn't, wasn't, and never will be one.
So Aston Villa is the only business in the western world that underwent a major organisational change and didn't have a plan for the subsequent 5 years?
I don't know how every business in the western world conducts its operations. Do you? In fact, can you name another football club where the phrase 'five year plan' is bandied about by supporters to the point of obsession?
Of course I don't. But I know that if a business is undergoing a major organisational change, and requires significant financial backing, then it should have a 3-5 year plan. I can't believe that RAL didn't have one, being a modern forward thinking company... and one that expected to succeed rather than fail.
Richard FitzGerald talked about where he wanted us to be in five years, but that was about it. You can't have fixed plans in football - there are too many variables.
Which investors are these?
Which investors are these?
You think Randy sat at home and worked it all out with a beer and a fag packet? He expressed an interest in the club... his team looked at us and presented a business case to him. This would have included where the club could be over a fixed period of time. He would have looked at the potential, the variables, and then decided whether or not to invest his money (under the company name RAL) RAL were the investors.
Which investors are these?
You think Randy sat at home and worked it all out with a beer and a fag packet? He expressed an interest in the club... his team looked at us and presented a business case to him. This would have included where the club could be over a fixed period of time. He would have looked at the potential, the variables, and then decided whether or not to invest his money (under the company name RAL) RAL were the investors.
I daresay he did look at every option., In fact, I know for a fact that he did. But the idea that there was some rigid five year plan covering events on and off the pitch is a fallacy.
Which investors are these?
You think Randy sat at home and worked it all out with a beer and a fag packet? He expressed an interest in the club... his team looked at us and presented a business case to him. This would have included where the club could be over a fixed period of time. He would have looked at the potential, the variables, and then decided whether or not to invest his money (under the company name RAL) RAL were the investors.
I daresay he did look at every option., In fact, I know for a fact that he did. But the idea that there was some rigid five year plan covering events on and off the pitch is a fallacy.
Okay, if I'm talking "bollocks" what was it? And when Paul Faulkner denied its existence last year, what does that indicate?
I'm willing to bet there was on off field business plan. But while their may be targets that a club would like to achieve within a certain time frame on the field, I doubt any club has what any of us would class as a business plan for on field. Apart from maybe Man City which is to win everything buy spending until you win everything.
Okay, if I'm talking "bollocks" what was it? And when Paul Faulkner denied its existence last year, what does that indicate?
That Paul Faulkner is utterly useless, and has been promoted way, way above his ability.
I'm willing to bet there was on off field business plan. But while their may be targets that a club would like to achieve within a certain time frame on the field, I doubt any club has what any of us would class as a business plan for on field. Apart from maybe Man City which is to win everything buy spending until you win everything.
Which is my feelings on the subject. There would have been corporate plans to cover probably every forseeable timescale, but the sort that would be of interest to the average supporter don't exist.
I'm willing to bet there was on off field business plan. But while their may be targets that a club would like to achieve within a certain time frame on the field, I doubt any club has what any of us would class as a business plan for on field. Apart from maybe Man City which is to win everything buy spending until you win everything.
Which is my feelings on the subject. There would have been corporate plans to cover probably every forseeable timescale, but the sort that would be of interest to the average supporter don't exist.
And that is why... other than to sheiks and oligarchs... football clubs are such a bad investment. Any other business can reasonably guarantee that good management will produce favourable returns. Unfortunately good management off field is no guarantee of good results on field.
Spurs plan swoop for Aston Villa defender James Collins
Jan 8 2012 by Dean Jones, The People
SPURS are planning to challenge QPR for the signature of James Collins – should they miss out on No.1 target Chris Samba.
Aston Villa are willing to let central-defender Collins leave for offers more than £3million this month.
Rangers boss Neil Warnock has made the first move but Harry Redknapp’s club are keeping an eye on the situation.
Giant
Collins, 28, would welcome a move back to London, where he spent four years with West Ham.
Silly season in full effect:
clicky (http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/football-hotline/2012/01/08/spurs-plan-swoop-for-aston-villa-defender-james-collins-102039-23687258/)Quote
Spurs plan swoop for Aston Villa defender James Collins
Jan 8 2012 by Dean Jones, The People
SPURS are planning to challenge QPR for the signature of James Collins – should they miss out on No.1 target Chris Samba.
Aston Villa are willing to let central-defender Collins leave for offers more than £3million this month.
Rangers boss Neil Warnock has made the first move but Harry Redknapp’s club are keeping an eye on the situation.
Giant
Collins, 28, would welcome a move back to London, where he spent four years with West Ham.
They bought in Friedel - suppose he was free.Friedel was still one of the best keepers in the league.
Alex McLeish hopes to have Robbie Keane signed, sealed and delivered as a claret and blue loan player by Monday.
McLeish revealed after the FA Cup win at Bristol Rovers that the Keane deal was nearing completion.
Villa boss McLeish is just waiting to get the move rubber-stamped.
Keane would be signing a short-term two-month contract at Villa, with the MLS season on hiatus.
McLeish said: "There's red tape and it's about cutting through that.
"We did hope we could have with him with us on Monday morning.
"We're just waiting for clearance now.
"If Sharon, the club secretary, gets the green light he should be here Sunday night for Monday morning."
McLeish also reiterated the club stance on Darren Bent after the third round victory.
The Villa boss revealed he had spoken to Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish about the ongoing and wild internet speculation linking Bent with Anfield.
He was happy with the response of Dalglish, who reiterated that "there's nothing in it."
McLeish added: "It's not frustrating. It's just the window. It's good fun. I'm not frustrated by it.
"People like to speculate, social networks, it's a field day.
"Anyone that's out there that want Benty certainly haven't contacted me.
"Benty has said on the record that he wants to stay at the club. You have to take his word for that.
"Certainly anyone I have asked outside the club - agents etc - is there an interest I have been told flatly no.
"I have spoken to Kenny and he said there's nothing in it. He said - just because Mark Lawrenson said something it doesn't mean it's true.
"That kind of stuff you can't prevent it. It's out of my control. I don't get upset by it."
Liverpool have just offered £25 million plus Andy Carroll for Darren Bent. Villa have rejected it, saying they only want the money.Well thats the kind of deal I would snap their hands off for to be honest...but if thats their first offer then another £5-10m could be added to that. Carroll is more likely to score goals for Villa under than AM than Bent is I'm afraid. Two different types of player but I would say that an in form Carroll is equally as good (if not better) than an in form Bent.
Liverpool have just offered £25 million plus Andy Carroll for Darren Bent. Villa have rejected it, saying they only want the money.
Liverpool have just offered £25 million plus Andy Carroll for Darren Bent. Villa have rejected it, saying they only want the money.
Source???
Liverpool have just offered £25 million plus Andy Carroll for Darren Bent. Villa have rejected it, saying they only want the money.
Source???
I think it may have been a joke at the expense of Andy Carroll.
Thats DEEP sarcasm from Legion! :D
Read somewhere we were looking at Bret Holman ( Australian striker ) . Never heard of him .
I still can't decide ... Robbie Keane. Why?
Why Robbie Keane then?QuoteI still can't decide ... Robbie Keane. Why?
Because beggars can't be choosers. Heskey out for a month, with Fonz and Weinman looking like the only back up.
easy short term option that can score goals unlike hesky.Why Robbie Keane then?QuoteI still can't decide ... Robbie Keane. Why?
Because beggars can't be choosers. Heskey out for a month, with Fonz and Weinman looking like the only back up.
If we are picking people on the basis that they can score more than Heskeyeasy short term option that can score goals unlike hesky.Why Robbie Keane then?QuoteI still can't decide ... Robbie Keane. Why?
Because beggars can't be choosers. Heskey out for a month, with Fonz and Weinman looking like the only back up.
It's quite hard to see that he'll go into the first team isn't it? Ireland is playing really well, but I don't see how you can play Ireland in his favoured position and Keane. No great harm done though, and he will offer more than heskey, weimann or fonz I'd imagine.
If we are picking people on the basis that they can score more than Heskeyeasy short term option that can score goals unlike hesky.Why Robbie Keane then?QuoteI still can't decide ... Robbie Keane. Why?
Because beggars can't be choosers. Heskey out for a month, with Fonz and Weinman looking like the only back up.
that is one hell of a long list.Keane is the absolute bottom rung journeyman out
there.
Why is he not playing professional football in this country?Why did he do soIf we are picking people on the basis that they can score more than Heskeyeasy short term option that can score goals unlike hesky.Why Robbie Keane then?QuoteI still can't decide ... Robbie Keane. Why?
Because beggars can't be choosers. Heskey out for a month, with Fonz and Weinman looking like the only back up.
that is one hell of a long list.Keane is the absolute bottom rung journeyman out
there.
Are you posting for dramatic effect? If we were about to sign Bret Ormerod, Dean Bowditch or bring Guy Whittingham out of retirement I might agree with you. However we are talking about a 31 year old captain of his country going to the European Championships. A player who has proven himself a this level and up until 12 months ago was a starting player. He might not be what he once was but bottom rung is about as melodramatic as you could have been.
I think peope are upset by the Robbie Keane deal is because it smacks of amuterism. We dont need a past it centre forward who failed at the PL level for 2 years before going for the soft money option (where he has not exactly been pulling up trees except when he is counting) , but the people running the club probably believe that this deal will somehow apppease the fans. Lack of real investment and ambition = Robbie Keane on loan.
He is not here to sit on the bench for the cost though is he?
So where is he going to play? Up with Bent and drop Ireland? Out left and drop Gabby? Just not sure where he fit, especially where we are struggling to get Gabby and Bent playing well in the same side.
You said the same about Pires, its about the message the club are sending out "let them eat cake" its just papering over the cracks, we have the keystone cops playing at the back, if they really wanted or understood how to make the current team more competitive, they would address this problem, but no we get Robbie Keane on loan- BrilliantI think peope are upset by the Robbie Keane deal is because it smacks of amuterism. We dont need a past it centre forward who failed at the PL level for 2 years before going for the soft money option (where he has not exactly been pulling up trees except when he is counting) , but the people running the club probably believe that this deal will somehow apppease the fans. Lack of real investment and ambition = Robbie Keane on loan.
For two months. Why anyone can get so worked up about it is beyond me.
You said the same about Pires, its about the message the club are sending out "let them eat cake" its just papering over the cracks, we have the keystone cops playing at the back, if they really wanted or understood how to make the current team more competitive, they would address this problem, but no we get Robbie Keane on loan- BrilliantI think peope are upset by the Robbie Keane deal is because it smacks of amuterism. We dont need a past it centre forward who failed at the PL level for 2 years before going for the soft money option (where he has not exactly been pulling up trees except when he is counting) , but the people running the club probably believe that this deal will somehow apppease the fans. Lack of real investment and ambition = Robbie Keane on loan.
For two months. Why anyone can get so worked up about it is beyond me.
I think peope are upset by the Robbie Keane deal is because it smacks of amuterism. We dont need a past it centre forward who failed at the PL level for 2 years before going for the soft money option (where he has not exactly been pulling up trees except when he is counting) , but the people running the club probably believe that this deal will somehow apppease the fans. Lack of real investment and ambition = Robbie Keane on loan.
I'm not worked out or overly bothered about the fact it is Robbie Keane.Same here mate, it does not make any sense
It is what it says about our mid-long term ambitions that worries me.
not really, Scholes has continued to train at Carrington, he is an ex player who has signed for the rest of the season, no comparisonI think peope are upset by the Robbie Keane deal is because it smacks of amuterism. We dont need a past it centre forward who failed at the PL level for 2 years before going for the soft money option (where he has not exactly been pulling up trees except when he is counting) , but the people running the club probably believe that this deal will somehow apppease the fans. Lack of real investment and ambition = Robbie Keane on loan.
bit like Scholes really
except as with Pires the Manager felt duty bound to play him, he came on against Wolves and lost us the game and was an embaressment when he did play.You said the same about Pires, its about the message the club are sending out "let them eat cake" its just papering over the cracks, we have the keystone cops playing at the back, if they really wanted or understood how to make the current team more competitive, they would address this problem, but no we get Robbie Keane on loan- BrilliantI think peope are upset by the Robbie Keane deal is because it smacks of amuterism. We dont need a past it centre forward who failed at the PL level for 2 years before going for the soft money option (where he has not exactly been pulling up trees except when he is counting) , but the people running the club probably believe that this deal will somehow apppease the fans. Lack of real investment and ambition = Robbie Keane on loan.
For two months. Why anyone can get so worked up about it is beyond me.
I said the same about Pires, although the situation was different. We were desperate for bodies at the time and he was just about the only one available. He came, he left. Nothing to get worked up about.
except as with Pires the Manager felt duty bound to play him, he came on against Wolves and lost us the game and was an embaressment when he did play.You said the same about Pires, its about the message the club are sending out "let them eat cake" its just papering over the cracks, we have the keystone cops playing at the back, if they really wanted or understood how to make the current team more competitive, they would address this problem, but no we get Robbie Keane on loan- BrilliantI think peope are upset by the Robbie Keane deal is because it smacks of amuterism. We dont need a past it centre forward who failed at the PL level for 2 years before going for the soft money option (where he has not exactly been pulling up trees except when he is counting) , but the people running the club probably believe that this deal will somehow apppease the fans. Lack of real investment and ambition = Robbie Keane on loan.
For two months. Why anyone can get so worked up about it is beyond me.
I said the same about Pires, although the situation was different. We were desperate for bodies at the time and he was just about the only one available. He came, he left. Nothing to get worked up about.
Again no point in making any signings in Jan for 3 reasons:
1. You pay too much for mediocre
2. Eck needs to get the best out of current crop so that we can trust him to spend money wisely
3. Give our youth a chance
except as with Pires the Manager felt duty bound to play him, he came on against Wolves and lost us the game and was an embaressment when he did play.You said the same about Pires, its about the message the club are sending out "let them eat cake" its just papering over the cracks, we have the keystone cops playing at the back, if they really wanted or understood how to make the current team more competitive, they would address this problem, but no we get Robbie Keane on loan- BrilliantI think peope are upset by the Robbie Keane deal is because it smacks of amuterism. We dont need a past it centre forward who failed at the PL level for 2 years before going for the soft money option (where he has not exactly been pulling up trees except when he is counting) , but the people running the club probably believe that this deal will somehow apppease the fans. Lack of real investment and ambition = Robbie Keane on loan.
For two months. Why anyone can get so worked up about it is beyond me.
I said the same about Pires, although the situation was different. We were desperate for bodies at the time and he was just about the only one available. He came, he left. Nothing to get worked up about.
Of course he was.
not really, Scholes has continued to train at Carrington, he is an ex player who has signed for the rest of the season, no comparisonI think peope are upset by the Robbie Keane deal is because it smacks of amuterism. We dont need a past it centre forward who failed at the PL level for 2 years before going for the soft money option (where he has not exactly been pulling up trees except when he is counting) , but the people running the club probably believe that this deal will somehow apppease the fans. Lack of real investment and ambition = Robbie Keane on loan.
bit like Scholes really
except as with Pires the Manager felt duty bound to play him, he came on against Wolves and lost us the game and was an embaressment when he did play.You said the same about Pires, its about the message the club are sending out "let them eat cake" its just papering over the cracks, we have the keystone cops playing at the back, if they really wanted or understood how to make the current team more competitive, they would address this problem, but no we get Robbie Keane on loan- BrilliantI think peope are upset by the Robbie Keane deal is because it smacks of amuterism. We dont need a past it centre forward who failed at the PL level for 2 years before going for the soft money option (where he has not exactly been pulling up trees except when he is counting) , but the people running the club probably believe that this deal will somehow apppease the fans. Lack of real investment and ambition = Robbie Keane on loan.
For two months. Why anyone can get so worked up about it is beyond me.
I said the same about Pires, although the situation was different. We were desperate for bodies at the time and he was just about the only one available. He came, he left. Nothing to get worked up about.
Maybe we could set up a scouting thread, one that brings forward players we have not heard of but could keep an eye out for from our various posters around the country. Do we have one already? Anyway... if someone could start with a left back that would be dandy.Luke Young played well at left back for us. Better than Warnock anyway. But yeah we need one and I have not a clue who's out there and I'm hoping we are looking.
Left back is the one position we have to get. Anyone that is solid and can pass to a team mate. There has to be one or two out there, again even Championship full backs are better than ours.My mate Steve is left footed.Not overly inspiring I know but it is a start.
Again no point in making any signings in Jan for 3 reasons:
1. You pay too much for mediocre
2. Eck needs to get the best out of current crop so that we can trust him to spend money wisely
3. Give our youth a chance
We haven't really got any youth who can play left back though have we?
Again no point in making any signings in Jan for 3 reasons:
1. You pay too much for mediocre
2. Eck needs to get the best out of current crop so that we can trust him to spend money wisely
3. Give our youth a chance
We haven't really got any youth who can play left back though have we?
Pires was probably the best player available to us, or indeed anyone, who needed to get a body in at that moment in time.
Keane isn't.
Pires was probably the best player available to us, or indeed anyone, who needed to get a body in at that moment in time.
Keane isn't.
It's pretty obvious we haven't got any money to spend in January, so Keane is probably our best bet. Not much difference to the Pires signing really.
Pires was probably the best player available to us, or indeed anyone, who needed to get a body in at that moment in time.
Keane isn't.
It's pretty obvious we haven't got any money to spend in January, so Keane is probably our best bet. Not much difference to the Pires signing really.
As we don't have an injury crisis why not just save the money and put it towards a long term signing?
Pires was probably the best player available to us, or indeed anyone, who needed to get a body in at that moment in time.
Keane isn't.
It's pretty obvious we haven't got any money to spend in January, so Keane is probably our best bet. Not much difference to the Pires signing really.
As we don't have an injury crisis why not just save the money and put it towards a long term signing?
What's wrong with taking a player on for a couple of months who is only going to cost us 8 weeks wages? He could score us the goals to save us from a relegation battle. He's a better bet than Heskey on the bench, that's for sure.
Actually I am not sure, not even sure he is better than Fonz or WeimenPires was probably the best player available to us, or indeed anyone, who needed to get a body in at that moment in time.
Keane isn't.
It's pretty obvious we haven't got any money to spend in January, so Keane is probably our best bet. Not much difference to the Pires signing really.
As we don't have an injury crisis why not just save the money and put it towards a long term signing?
What's wrong with taking a player on for a couple of months who is only going to cost us 8 weeks wages? He could score us the goals to save us from a relegation battle. He's a better bet than Heskey on the bench, that's for sure.
Pires was probably the best player available to us, or indeed anyone, who needed to get a body in at that moment in time.
Keane isn't.
It's pretty obvious we haven't got any money to spend in January, so Keane is probably our best bet. Not much difference to the Pires signing really.
As we don't have an injury crisis why not just save the money and put it towards a long term signing?
What's wrong with taking a player on for a couple of months who is only going to cost us 8 weeks wages? He could score us the goals to save us from a relegation battle. He's a better bet than Heskey on the bench, that's for sure.
Pires was probably the best player available to us, or indeed anyone, who needed to get a body in at that moment in time.
Keane isn't.
It's pretty obvious we haven't got any money to spend in January, so Keane is probably our best bet. Not much difference to the Pires signing really.
As we don't have an injury crisis why not just save the money and put it towards a long term signing?
What's wrong with taking a player on for a couple of months who is only going to cost us 8 weeks wages? He could score us the goals to save us from a relegation battle. He's a better bet than Heskey on the bench, that's for sure.
The fact we don't have any money and it's rumoured it could cost us around £750K including loan fee for a player to be here for 2 months?
Pires was probably the best player available to us, or indeed anyone, who needed to get a body in at that moment in time.
Keane isn't.
It's pretty obvious we haven't got any money to spend in January, so Keane is probably our best bet. Not much difference to the Pires signing really.
As we don't have an injury crisis why not just save the money and put it towards a long term signing?
What's wrong with taking a player on for a couple of months who is only going to cost us 8 weeks wages? He could score us the goals to save us from a relegation battle. He's a better bet than Heskey on the bench, that's for sure.
The fact that he is utterly crap now and is playing in MLS for a reason?
Personally I'd prefer us to find out if either Fonz or Weimann might be good enough rather thank spunk money on a player like Keane.
Pires was probably the best player available to us, or indeed anyone, who needed to get a body in at that moment in time.
Keane isn't.
Personally I'd prefer us to find out if either Fonz or Weimann might be good enough rather thank spunk money on a player like Keane.
Rely on the kids and it'll end in tears.
Harry Redknapp has sparked a massive transfer scramble for Newcastle’s Demba Ba by revealing his release clause is around HALF the £10million mooted over the weekend.
Officials at St James’ Park have been desperate to keep a lid on the fact that the striker, who has netted 15 times this season, is available for the right fee.
But asked about a £10m release clause, Spurs boss Harry Redknapp said: “I think you will find it is a lot less than that.”
Asked if was as little as £7m, Redknapp added: “Even less than that.”
A whole host of clubs are set to investigate poaching the predator who destroyed Manchester United last week with an outstanding display.
Liverpool, Sunderland, Everton and QPR are all in the hunt for reinforcements up front. Ba left West Ham last summer as he had a clause in his contract saying he could quit if they were relegated.
Ba has blown away fears over a knee injury that prompted Stoke to pull out of a move for him last year.
Demba Ba has a £7m release clause, says Harry.
http://tinyurl.com/7q3wdqpQuoteHarry Redknapp has sparked a massive transfer scramble for Newcastle’s Demba Ba by revealing his release clause is around HALF the £10million mooted over the weekend.
Officials at St James’ Park have been desperate to keep a lid on the fact that the striker, who has netted 15 times this season, is available for the right fee.
But asked about a £10m release clause, Spurs boss Harry Redknapp said: “I think you will find it is a lot less than that.”
Asked if was as little as £7m, Redknapp added: “Even less than that.”
A whole host of clubs are set to investigate poaching the predator who destroyed Manchester United last week with an outstanding display.
Liverpool, Sunderland, Everton and QPR are all in the hunt for reinforcements up front. Ba left West Ham last summer as he had a clause in his contract saying he could quit if they were relegated.
Ba has blown away fears over a knee injury that prompted Stoke to pull out of a move for him last year.
Personally I'd prefer us to find out if either Fonz or Weimann might be good enough rather thank spunk money on a player like Keane.
Rely on the kids and it'll end in tears.
Weimann has played about 20 mins in the league for us this season. Shouldn't we actually give him a chance?
Even less thank £7million according to 'Onest 'Arry. I'm curious how he would know what the contract details are of a player at another club. Surely he hasn't been tapping anyone up.
I'd be glad to see the back of Collins to absolutely anywhere, but moving him on to Spurs and thinking of the integration of the witless hoof into Spurs fabled Barcelona-esque passing game is extra tantalising.
Can we give Harry a discount? Say 100 percent?
I would straight swap him for Dos Santos, who always looks brilliant to me.
But that £750k could help us to a top half finish. Something that looks a million miles away at the moment.
Be nice if a reporter actually did their job and asked him how he knows how much a Newcastle United players release clause is.
I would straight swap him for Dos Santos, who always looks brilliant to me.
Good shout, although he isn't a 'McLeish type' player.
Personally I'd prefer us to find out if either Fonz or Weimann might be good enough rather thank spunk money on a player like Keane.
Rely on the kids and it'll end in tears.
If there's one thing I'm sick to death with at Villa this season it's seeing James Collins hoof the ball up the pitch into oblivion. Good riddance.
If there's one thing I'm sick to death with at Villa this season it's seeing James Collins hoof the ball up the pitch into oblivion. Good riddance.
Yep im fed up of shouting Dont Ho......to late, I could be wrong but I dont remember him being as bad under MON. Be happy to see him go
But that £750k could help us to a top half finish. Something that looks a million miles away at the moment.
Er, we're a point off 10th place and two points off 9th.
I cant believe the manager knows his players inside out and doesn't say to Collins no hoofing . Maybe thats why he wants rid , he does not listen.
Robbie Keane training with us according to SSN.
Why are we not sniffing around Jordan Rhodes from Huddersfield. The kid will be a big star and certainly worth getting in before he sits on the bench for Spurs reserves!I hope we are looking at him he is young, strong and scores goals for fun 27 so far this season and 5 away from home last friday
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16460878.stm
Newcastle fans must hate Redknapp. He just told the world they can get the most in-form striker around for 5m.
Robbie Keane training with us according to SSN.
We've spent about three weeks out of the top ten since August.
But that £750k could help us to a top half finish. Something that looks a million miles away at the moment.
Er, we're a point off 10th place and two points off 9th.
True, but we've struggled to stay top half all season so far. I can't see it changing much 2nd half. Can you?
Robbie Keane training with the Villa today and deal should be complete in 24 hrs according to SSN Welcome Robbie, Hope you do the biz for the short time you're with us
The more I've thought about it the more sense the Keane move makes. His strength has always been his movement something we need to improve on. We're now getting far more crosses into the box but it's noticeable that we rarely get a man at the front post, I'm sure Marc and Charles will appreciate having him in there.Are we dropping Bent, Gabby or Ireland to make space for him in the above scenario?
Robbie Keane training with the Villa today and deal should be complete in 24 hrs according to SSN Welcome Robbie, Hope you do the biz for the short time you're with us
The more I've thought about it the more sense the Keane move makes. His strength has always been his movement something we need to improve on. We're now getting far more crosses into the box but it's noticeable that we rarely get a man at the front post, I'm sure Marc and Charles will appreciate having him in there.Are we dropping Bent, Gabby or Ireland to make space for him in the above scenario?
I'm not ready to give up on Fonz yet. Or Weimann for that matter.I'm hoping the plan is we have Keane for a couple of months,get relatively safe and then can introduce the Fonz and Weimann again
I'm not ready to give up on Fonz yet. Or Weimann for that matter.
I'm not ready to give up on Fonz yet. Or Weimann for that matter.I'm hoping the plan is we have Keane for a couple of months,get relatively safe and then can introduce the Fonz and Weimann again
The more I've thought about it the more sense the Keane move makes. His strength has always been his movement something we need to improve on. We're now getting far more crosses into the box but it's noticeable that we rarely get a man at the front post, I'm sure Marc and Charles will appreciate having him in there.Are we dropping Bent, Gabby or Ireland to make space for him in the above scenario?
For me it's niether, as I see Keane starting on the bench and coming on as needed.
I'm not ready to give up on Fonz yet. Or Weimann for that matter.
He has the talent Maz I agree, and I think he could do well in the wide roles behind Bent or Gabby. Although 6 months at Wigan or Bolton playing up front might do him a lot of good.
I'm not ready to give up on Fonz yet. Or Weimann for that matter.
Agree re. Weimann. But Delfouneso has had enough chances. If he was going to make it, he would have done so by now. If he achieves as much as Luke Moore, he will have done well.
I'm not ready to give up on Fonz yet. Or Weimann for that matter.
Agree re. Weimann. But Delfouneso has had enough chances. If he was going to make it, he would have done so by now. If he achieves as much as Luke Moore, he will have done well.
Completely disagree. He hasn't had enough chances and only in these days of mass information do we write off 20 year old England U21 strikers who have had sporadic first team appearances. 10 years ago, many fans would have scarcely heard of them, never mind already given up on them.
Fonz might not make it but he hasn't had enough exposure to first team football yet to prove it by my reckoning.
And when he does get a chance it's like the clock is ticking and he has to do something special in the 10 or 20 minutes he might have to prove himself or be looked over for another month or so.
I regret that Heskey, a striker with hardly any goal scoring ability has had the gametime that Fonz, a striker who potentially has a lot of goal scoring ability should have had to really show is if he can or can not cope.
I'm not ready to give up on Fonz yet. Or Weimann for that matter.
Agree re. Weimann. But Delfouneso has had enough chances. If he was going to make it, he would have done so by now. If he achieves as much as Luke Moore, he will have done well.
Completely disagree. He hasn't had enough chances and only in these days of mass information do we write off 20 year old England U21 strikers who have had sporadic first team appearances. 10 years ago, many fans would have scarcely heard of them, never mind already given up on them.
Fonz might not make it but he hasn't had enough exposure to first team football yet to prove it by my reckoning.
And when he does get a chance it's like the clock is ticking and he has to do something special in the 10 or 20 minutes he might have to prove himself or be looked over for another month or so.
I regret that Heskey, a striker with hardly any goal scoring ability has had the gametime that Fonz, a striker who potentially has a lot of goal scoring ability should have had to really show is if he can or can not cope.
I think he needs 5 or 6 starts on the trot, if we gave DB a rest, now maybe a good time, then we will see what he has.
Let us re sign Juan Pablo Angel!!Just read that he was booted out of his last club to make way for Robbie Keane.
Let us re sign Juan Pablo Angel!!
About exactly a year ago when we drew 1-1 at the Sty he nearly won the game with a fantastic bit of skill. He turned on a sixpence and struck an audacious strike from 30 yards out or more which crashed against the bar with Foster well-beaten. Most of you have probably forgotten it. Can't help thinking that had that gone in his Villa career would have blossomed.
heard a nasty rumour yesterday that Citeh could be after gabby if they get rid of Tevez. Nothing more than gossip though.
heard a nasty rumour yesterday that Citeh could be after gabby if they get rid of Tevez. Nothing more than gossip though.
No disrespect to our Gabby, but I'm sure they could get 'better' players. Van Persie, Cavani, Hulk etc.
I'd rather morph Gabby and Bent together.
What a fucking player that would make!
Let us re sign Juan Pablo Angel!!
I'd seriously love it. Don't care if he's shite.
maybe hughes will be willing to take Ireland and his pink car?
I really is shocking how many people are willing to write the fonz off.
He's 20 (turns 21 next month) so is still younger than many players come through at.
A quick scan shows 20 starts and 38 subs appearances with a return of 10 goals. Given most of those subs appearances have been 10-15mins at most his record is good enough to deserve a chance to have a run of games, half hour from the bench or the odd start. Until he's had 7-8games of 30mins+ in the team can we judge him.
I'd have thought people would've learned after all the writing off of Guzan over the last 18months.
As for Keane I don't see the value to it if, as reported, we're having to pay 750k. I just don't see him having enough impact to justify that. He was a great player a few years back but he's lost half a yard of pace and hasn't been able to adapt his game to make up for it.
Yes don't sell Ireland now.
I'd rather morph Gabby and Bent together.
A quick scan shows 20 starts and 38 subs appearances with a return of 10 goals.
A quick scan shows 20 starts and 38 subs appearances with a return of 10 goals.
Quick question - how many of those 10 goals came in the PL as opposed to against lesser teams in the cups? Genuine question and I can remember him getting at least 1 PL goal, but I just can't see where he'll get this run people want him to have as he won't get in up front ahead of Gabby or Bent or wide ahead of N'Zogbia or Super Marc.
As I said yesterday, I think the best thing for him would be to move on.
Anyone else think that Collins will go to Spurs? Should villa be looking at inlcuding one of their players in that deal? Krancjar? Bassong? just a though thats all
Collins is more than capable of playing the simple little passes out of defence. His issue with us is a mixture of poor movement to give him these options and him getting overly ambitious with balls he's not capable of playing.
Collins is more than capable of playing the simple little passes out of defence. His issue with us is a mixture of poor movement to give him these options and him getting overly ambitious with balls he's not capable of playing.I'm not at all convinced at that. He pretty much always looks for the pointless hoof, regardless of options around him.
Straight from kick off at Bristol Rovers was a good example, we kick off, ball is played back to Collins, under no pressure, team mates all around him, he just hoofs it 60 yards
The Robbie Keane deal in total is about £400k that includes wages, loan fee & insurance.
Collins is more than capable of playing the simple little passes out of defence. His issue with us is a mixture of poor movement to give him these options and him getting overly ambitious with balls he's not capable of playing.
He doesn't quite hoof it as good as Mellberg did.Funny innit as we all loved mellberg - even with the hoofs
I think the Fonz would have been getting a regular start by now if the manager and coaches thought he was up to it. Who do you drop to give him a run of games, Gabby,Bent? he's nowhere near their standard.
Collins is more than capable of playing the simple little passes out of defence. His issue with us is a mixture of poor movement to give him these options and him getting overly ambitious with balls he's not capable of playing.
I agree, plus when under pressure I'd much rather see him thump it fifty yards down the pitch than risk getting caught in possession. The problem is he's been outed as a "hoofer" by the mob so he can give 10 straightforward passes but it will be the next one that goes long that will be remembered.
Collins is more than capable of playing the simple little passes out of defence. His issue with us is a mixture of poor movement to give him these options and him getting overly ambitious with balls he's not capable of playing.
I agree, plus when under pressure I'd much rather see him thump it fifty yards down the pitch than risk getting caught in possession. The problem is he's been outed as a "hoofer" by the mob so he can give 10 straightforward passes but it will be the next one that goes long that will be remembered.
Can you not manage a post these days without some provocative nonsense like this in it, Chris?
Is there really any need?
I think the Fonz would have been getting a regular start by now if the manager and coaches thought he was up to it. Who do you drop to give him a run of games, Gabby,Bent? he's nowhere near their standard.
Collins is more than capable of playing the simple little passes out of defence. His issue with us is a mixture of poor movement to give him these options and him getting overly ambitious with balls he's not capable of playing.
I agree, plus when under pressure I'd much rather see him thump it fifty yards down the pitch than risk getting caught in possession. The problem is he's been outed as a "hoofer" by the mob so he can give 10 straightforward passes but it will be the next one that goes long that will be remembered.
Can you not manage a post these days without some provocative nonsense like this in it, Chris?
Is there really any need?
It isn't provocative It's perfectly true, he's been dubbed a hoofer and so in the eyes of many that's all he ever does. Regardless that most of the time he'll pass it to the full back or across to Dunne as soon as he hits one forward that's all he ever does.
To be fair, it's not as if Michael Dawson is Franz Beckenbauer.Anyone else think that Collins will go to Spurs? Should villa be looking at inlcuding one of their players in that deal? Krancjar? Bassong? just a though thats all
It'd be hilarious if he did, I struggle to think of many players less suited to Spurs' passing game than Collins.
Collins is more than capable of playing the simple little passes out of defence. His issue with us is a mixture of poor movement to give him these options and him getting overly ambitious with balls he's not capable of playing.
I agree, plus when under pressure I'd much rather see him thump it fifty yards down the pitch than risk getting caught in possession. The problem is he's been outed as a "hoofer" by the mob so he can give 10 straightforward passes but it will be the next one that goes long that will be remembered.
Can you not manage a post these days without some provocative nonsense like this in it, Chris?
Is there really any need?
It isn't provocative It's perfectly true, he's been dubbed a hoofer and so in the eyes of many that's all he ever does. Regardless that most of the time he'll pass it to the full back or across to Dunne as soon as he hits one forward that's all he ever does.
So, why not say "the many" instead of "the mob", which is just a bit puerile and provocative?
It's possible for a large body of people to take a different opinion than yourself on something without them being "a mob".
Collins is more than capable of playing the simple little passes out of defence. His issue with us is a mixture of poor movement to give him these options and him getting overly ambitious with balls he's not capable of playing.
I agree, plus when under pressure I'd much rather see him thump it fifty yards down the pitch than risk getting caught in possession. The problem is he's been outed as a "hoofer" by the mob so he can give 10 straightforward passes but it will be the next one that goes long that will be remembered.
Can you not manage a post these days without some provocative nonsense like this in it, Chris?
Is there really any need?
It isn't provocative It's perfectly true, he's been dubbed a hoofer and so in the eyes of many that's all he ever does. Regardless that most of the time he'll pass it to the full back or across to Dunne as soon as he hits one forward that's all he ever does.
I think the Fonz would have been getting a regular start by now if the manager and coaches thought he was up to it. Who do you drop to give him a run of games, Gabby,Bent? he's nowhere near their standard.
No, because he's 20 years old and at a similar age a far better footballer than Gabby or Bent. The difference is they had their chance to play regularly at his age. How do we know how good he can be if he doesn't play?
He should have had the game time Heskey has had for instance. Then we'd have a better idea.
All players are capable of making simple passes so one is saying that but ive seen Collins on numerous occasions where he hasn't been under no pressure what so ever and has decided to hoof it up field thus resulting in the opposition gaining possession.
I think the Fonz would have been getting a regular start by now if the manager and coaches thought he was up to it. Who do you drop to give him a run of games, Gabby,Bent? he's nowhere near their standard.
No, because he's 20 years old and at a similar age a far better footballer than Gabby or Bent. The difference is they had their chance to play regularly at his age. How do we know how good he can be if he doesn't play?
He should have had the game time Heskey has had for instance. Then we'd have a better idea.
Bent maybe, Gabby I'd say not.
Yes don't sell Ireland now.
I'm not so sure.
Ireland is currently showing the ability we all know he has, with the difference being his head seems to be on straight for a change. The question being how long will that last? It's taken 18 months for us to see this, but one little thing could upset the poor lamb again and we'd be back to square one with him - and I don;t want to wait another 18 months!
I'm not usually one to talk down our players, but I just can't see him not becoming a liability again in the not too distant future. So, I'd be tempted to cash in now if an offer comes in.
The last 2 games I've watched, it's only took us 7 seconds from kick off for Collins to just whack the ball forward, totally losing posession.I've seen these and on both occasions we've lost posession as soon as the ball has left collins' foot.
Hadn't Bent already rattled in 40 odd goals by the time he was 20/21? Admittedly in the second tier.
As soon as there is any interest, Bent will want to go, we all know that.Surely Bent would only make a career move to a top 6 club and I dont see any of them either wanting, needing or being able to afford him. I dont see clubs like QPR being able to afford him either and it would be a backward step for his career. If you consider his options, he'd be well advised to stay at VP.
Hadn't Bent already rattled in 40 odd goals by the time he was 20/21? Admittedly in the second tier.
I'm speaking of alround footballing skills. Bent has consistently been a poacher and little else.
Fonz promised that and more.
Fairly tall, quick, good in the air, skillful and an eye for goal. I'd hate to see him go before we've really tested him. Albrighton, Clark and Bannan and before them Gabby, Craig Gardner, Cahill etc all suceeded as first team players because they had decent runs in first team football. They had the chance and the space to learn their trade. Sometimes out of neccessity but true all the same.
Its the lot of a young striker that they are trusted less or for less time than other positions perhaps. Every time Fonz takes the field its like he has to produce immediately or he's "not going to make it". I really want us to give this kid a proper chance to prove himself.
How many managers has Fonz worked under at the Villa? None of them have put much faith in him, so perhaps some are kidding themselves that he's going to be a good player.
the recent loan signings by us and now Pires joining Henry at Arsenal, plus Scholes coming out of retirement at Man U suggests in some ways that the January transfer window is pretty much fucked for all but the super rich or super desperate. Clubs will be held to ransom, and in many ways short term deals look that much more appealing. As the window progesses buying clubs will push the panic button, and clubs that actually want to sell and are holding off for a big offer also get desperate as they know they have to replace the exiting player.Its a mess your right. Get rid of it now. It does not exist elsewhere in life so why should it exist in football?
Guys, you're forgetting that Keane is only with us for 6 games so there still is a chance for the Fonz to get a look in after he has gone.
Guys, you're forgetting that Keane is only with us for 6 games so there still is a chance for the Fonz to get a look in after he has gone.
Is that all, so on top of the 400k fee does he receive a wage or does he get paid per appearance.
The last 2 games I've watched, it's only took us 7 seconds from kick off for Collins to just whack the ball forward, totally losing posession.
So when would you look to move him on then, Maz?
If he's not doing enough to force his way into the side for the run he needs, then do you drop a better (at the moment at least) player to give him a go or keep giving him new contracts until he does get the chance?
So when would you look to move him on then, Maz?
If he's not doing enough to force his way into the side for the run he needs, then do you drop a better (at the moment at least) player to give him a go or keep giving him new contracts until he does get the chance?
When he's had a chance and failed which I would argue is yet to happen. But if we're never going to give him that chance then it may as well be asap.
But then I would say give him the chance. Not instead of Gabby or Bent but instead of Heskey. Which will probably be when Keane has gone back now.
8mil for Aly Cissokho?! Yes, please.
So when would you look to move him on then, Maz?
If he's not doing enough to force his way into the side for the run he needs, then do you drop a better (at the moment at least) player to give him a go or keep giving him new contracts until he does get the chance?
When he's had a chance and failed which I would argue is yet to happen. But if we're never going to give him that chance then it may as well be asap.
But then I would say give him the chance. Not instead of Gabby or Bent but instead of Heskey. Which will probably be when Keane has gone back now.
I think the important thing is a chance to make it doesn't mean 7-8 starts in a row, it means coming off the bench with 30minutes to go regularly rather than in the last 10 minutes for 1 game in 4/5. At the moment the pressure is all that if he doesn't do something exceptional in that cameo he has more people saying he's never going to make it.
8mil for Aly Cissokho?! Yes, please.
Guys, you're forgetting that Keane is only with us for 6 games so there still is a chance for the Fonz to get a look in after he has gone.I really doubt Fonz would have been that involved in those 6 games anyway
So when would you look to move him on then, Maz?
If he's not doing enough to force his way into the side for the run he needs, then do you drop a better (at the moment at least) player to give him a go or keep giving him new contracts until he does get the chance?
When he's had a chance and failed which I would argue is yet to happen. But if we're never going to give him that chance then it may as well be asap.
But then I would say give him the chance. Not instead of Gabby or Bent but instead of Heskey. Which will probably be when Keane has gone back now.
I think the important thing is a chance to make it doesn't mean 7-8 starts in a row, it means coming off the bench with 30minutes to go regularly rather than in the last 10 minutes for 1 game in 4/5. At the moment the pressure is all that if he doesn't do something exceptional in that cameo he has more people saying he's never going to make it.
That is one of my main gripes with McLeish in that he is too rigid and negative. The cup match against Bristol Rovers was an ideal match to give Delfouneso some more match experience but no, he goes back to tried and tested (and crap) Heskey.
So when would you look to move him on then, Maz?
If he's not doing enough to force his way into the side for the run he needs, then do you drop a better (at the moment at least) player to give him a go or keep giving him new contracts until he does get the chance?
When he's had a chance and failed which I would argue is yet to happen. But if we're never going to give him that chance then it may as well be asap.
But then I would say give him the chance. Not instead of Gabby or Bent but instead of Heskey. Which will probably be when Keane has gone back now.
I think the important thing is a chance to make it doesn't mean 7-8 starts in a row, it means coming off the bench with 30minutes to go regularly rather than in the last 10 minutes for 1 game in 4/5. At the moment the pressure is all that if he doesn't do something exceptional in that cameo he has more people saying he's never going to make it.
Your point about being introduced as substitute more frequently and for longer periods is the key to seeing whether he can make it at this level with Villa. I believe he can.
McLeish is very much like O'Neill in that he uses substitutes only when necessary and very rarely to change tactics/formation. So with Delfouneso not being the same type of player as either Bent or Agbonlahor, McLeish sees it difficult to take one off and bring on Delfouneso as it means he has to change is tactics for Nathan to play his natural game or the player has to play a role that is not his natural game. That is one of my main gripes with McLeish in that he is too rigid and negative. The cup match against Bristol Rovers was an ideal match to give Delfouneso some more match experience but no, he goes back to tried and tested (and crap) Heskey.
Fellow villains does any one know how many loan signings we can make?
And do we have 1 or 2 players on loan- Jenas loan cancelled due to injury or we continue to pay so listed as loan?
Answers below pls
8mil for Aly Cissokho?! Yes, please.
8mil for Aly Cissokho?! Yes, please.
I'm sure if Houllier was in charge we would of signed him in the summer..... rumours a deal was struck also for Ba and Cabaye
8mil for Aly Cissokho?! Yes, please.
I'm sure if Houllier was in charge we would of signed him in the summer..... rumours a deal was struck also for Ba and Cabaye
when keane arrives , think will be ideal partner for gabby, bent can play alongside ireland
8mil for Aly Cissokho?! Yes, please.
I'm sure if Houllier was in charge we would of signed him in the summer..... rumours a deal was struck also for Ba and Cabaye
Other than the having any money and needing to balance the wage bill I can't think of any reason why that wouldn't have happened.
8mil for Aly Cissokho?! Yes, please.
I'm sure if Houllier was in charge we would of signed him in the summer..... rumours a deal was struck also for Ba and Cabaye
Other than the having any money and needing to balance the wage bill I can't think of any reason why that wouldn't have happened.
We wouldn't have paid off Houllier,or the blues for Mccleish. Houllier would've shifted a few out,and anyway,those two hardly cost Newcastle the earth.
8mil for Aly Cissokho?! Yes, please.
I'm sure if Houllier was in charge we would of signed him in the summer..... rumours a deal was struck also for Ba and Cabaye
Please dont say things like this as it gets me depressed thinking that we could have had Ba and Cabaye but ended up with Hutton and Jenas :-(
Just heard something really stupid so thought I would share it with you all... someone on twitter has been saying that Robbie Keane will be signing until May 10th and that Beye will be cancelling loan deal with Doncaster and joining Strasborg on a 3 yr deal lol!
cant see any of that happening but would love it if the latter did come true.
Just heard something really stupid so thought I would share it with you all... someone on twitter has been saying that Robbie Keane will be signing until May 10th and that Beye will be cancelling loan deal with Doncaster and joining Strasborg on a 3 yr deal lol!
cant see any of that happening but would love it if the latter did come true.
Theres someone out there more stupid than MON
when keane arrives , think will be ideal partner for gabby, bent can play alongside ireland
We putting two teams out then?
My Newcastle supporting mate is under the impression that Cabaye cost only £4m, because that was the size of his release clause in his Lille contract.8mil for Aly Cissokho?! Yes, please.
I'm sure if Houllier was in charge we would of signed him in the summer..... rumours a deal was struck also for Ba and Cabaye
Other than the having any money and needing to balance the wage bill I can't think of any reason why that wouldn't have happened.
We wouldn't have paid off Houllier,or the blues for Mccleish. Houllier would've shifted a few out,and anyway,those two hardly cost Newcastle the earth.
IIRC Ba was free & Cabaye was less than £7m
Both are already off to Liverpool knowing the shitty newspapers *rollseyes*
Cabaye cost £4.7m and Ba was free.8mil for Aly Cissokho?! Yes, please.
I'm sure if Houllier was in charge we would of signed him in the summer..... rumours a deal was struck also for Ba and Cabaye
Other than the having any money and needing to balance the wage bill I can't think of any reason why that wouldn't have happened.
Cabaye cost £4.7m and Ba was free.8mil for Aly Cissokho?! Yes, please.
I'm sure if Houllier was in charge we would of signed him in the summer..... rumours a deal was struck also for Ba and Cabaye
Other than the having any money and needing to balance the wage bill I can't think of any reason why that wouldn't have happened.
Do you think we paid for N'Zogbia's £10m transfer fee and his monthly salary with sweets and IOUs?
There was a lot of interest in Samba too wasn't there? Anyhow, I think we would have had a pretty impressive side on a pretty small net spend compared to what we have now. Houllier was the right man IMO, he had the dressing room sussed and knew how to get it sorted. For me it is a massive shame he did not get a full run at it.
Fellow villains does any one know how many loan signings we can make?
And do we have 1 or 2 players on loan- Jenas loan cancelled due to injury or we continue to pay so listed as loan?
Answers below pls
As Jenas is signed for the whole season, as nobody put an injury clause in the agreement with Spurs, we are allowed one more for this season.
There was a lot of interest in Samba too wasn't there? Anyhow, I think we would have had a pretty impressive side on a pretty small net spend compared to what we have now. Houllier was the right man IMO, he had the dressing room sussed and knew how to get it sorted. For me it is a massive shame he did not get a full run at it.
There was a lot of interest in Samba too wasn't there? Anyhow, I think we would have had a pretty impressive side on a pretty small net spend compared to what we have now. Houllier was the right man IMO, he had the dressing room sussed and knew how to get it sorted. For me it is a massive shame he did not get a full run at it.
I read in the metro that Bolton want Dunne to replace Cahill..Yes please
I read in the metro that Bolton want Dunne to replace Cahill..Yes please
I wonder if this window is markedly slower than it usually is?
There's been next to zero business other than a couple of MLS loans. I know it is early days, but was it this quiet last year?
I wonder if this window is markedly slower than it usually is?
There's been next to zero business other than a couple of MLS loans. I know it is early days, but was it this quiet last year?
£5 or £6 million for Gardner, I don't fucking think so.Swop him for Collins.
£5 or £6 million for Gardner, I don't fucking think so.Swop him for Collins.
£5 or £6 million for Gardner, I don't fucking think so.Swop him for Collins.
A transfer involving collins could be a possibility. How would people feel about him coming back? He left as he wanted first team football which is fine. Blues came in for him and then he admits he is a blue nose. Is that such a crime? I dont know..... :-\
I don't care about the b-lose business, he never gave less than his all for us. Wouldn't be opening the champagne about having him back though.
I don't care about the b-lose business, he never gave less than his all for us. Wouldn't be opening the champagne about having him back though.
I agree, he always gave his best for us, so who he supported made little difference (although he was daft to allow himself to get into that mess).
I always thought he was a decent player, had a pretty good shot on him, too. Not suggesting we should sign him, just saying, I thought he was decent.
I wonder if "homesick" means "doesn't fancy another extended spell at right back"?
What's this about Scott Dann?
£5 or £6 million for Gardner, I don't fucking think so.Swop him for Collins.
A transfer involving collins could be a possibility. How would people feel about him coming back? He left as he wanted first team football which is fine. Blues came in for him and then he admits he is a blue nose. Is that such a crime? I dont know..... :-\
Dann would be a decent buy, should have in the summer IMO as Blackburn only paid 4 or 5 million in the end. Blues mates say he organised them at the back.
Gardner senior is a good player in the centre of the park, we could do a lot worse.
Collins going for either would be great business, Warnock thrown in would be just fab!
Collins and a couple of mil for Dann would be great business.
Anyway isn't Dann out for a month or so after nearly having his knackers removed in a game recently? Can't see it happening
According to physioroom Dann is due back the 21st.
According to physioroom Dann is due back the 21st.
yeah its the thought of it though. Makes me feel funny just thinking about it. If we signed him i'd be forever worrying he was gonna split the stitches during a match.
Anyway isn't Dann out for a month or so after nearly having his knackers removed in a game recently? Can't see it happening
He's Ok now, they stitched them back on, the only downside is he can now call for the ball in Soprano.
According to physioroom Dann is due back the 21st.
yeah its the thought of it though. Makes me feel funny just thinking about it. If we signed him i'd be forever worrying he was gonna split the stitches during a match.
At least we know he has a pair. Unlike a certain rat faced winger currently helping the police with their inquiries.
Craig Gardner just isn't good enough .
I don't care about the b-lose business, he never gave less than his all for us. Wouldn't be opening the champagne about having him back though.... strange I put you down as being a "brown and mild" sort of guy :)
Dann would be a decent buy, should have in the summer IMO as Blackburn only paid 4 or 5 million in the end. Blues mates say he organised them at the back.
Gardner senior is a good player in the centre of the park, we could do a lot worse.
Collins going for either would be great business, Warnock thrown in would be just fab!
What was that about Desperate Dann, he split open his sac?
He's not a good player though. Gladly avoided.
Yes, our player spotting skills are hardly legendary.
I see Stevie Gerrard has no ambition of winning a premier league medal by signing a new contract with Liverpool.
Link to Bacinovic story: http://t.co/AeCUqpDi
Craig Gardner? A strange one if true as I'd put him behind all our present midfielders - at best he's on a par with herd.
Dann? Yes, please. An organiser and would compliment Dunne better than Collins does. Didn't Mcleish say in the 'secret' meeting with fans representatives just after he came that he saw Dann as a real star player?
McLeish was never afraid to venture into foreign waters to find players at his previous gigs. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he viewed the British maret as completely overpriced and started to look abroad for financially responsible additions to the squad. A sensible foreign policy, a keen eye on the lower divisions and a top academy is the way forward for us.
McLeish was never afraid to venture into foreign waters to find players at his previous gigs. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he viewed the British maret as completely overpriced and started to look abroad for financially responsible additions to the squad. A sensible foreign policy, a keen eye on the lower divisions and a top academy is the way forward for us.
I think age is too. I would not want to see any big contract to a player over 27, possibly even 25. Sell on value is vital. See Spurs, Newcastle and Arsenal as models of this.
Problem is that should a player be in the 25-30 age bracket then they are in their prime and will be looking for top whack wages - see Darren Bent. That's OK, provided we get the right ones that contributes well for it. And even if we sign them at 21 or so on a smaller contract, then when they hit that age and new contracts get negotiated, then we'll be paying the going rate or seeing them walk. I think it's much more important to get the fee right for them, whereby we can make that back, or indeed a profit, on the larger signings, but limit our exposure when they're older by looking as smaller fees.
Heard a whisper Mr Delfouneso is going to Small Heath after the weekend. Not happy if this happens anyone but them!!
Heard a whisper Mr Delfouneso is going to Small Heath after the weekend. Not happy if this happens anyone but them!!
Heard a whisper Mr Delfouneso is going to Small Heath after the weekend. Not happy if this happens anyone but them!!
Why, though?
Who cares if it is them if it helps him improve?
Why help them? if you have to ask that question you just will never get it. Dont want to get into the being a Brummie Villa fan and all that but when you were brought up in Kings Norton and had to put up with the Kings Norton Zulu Juniors every time you came back from a game or a tot up town. Lets just say hatred for anything Small Heath never dies..
A couple of negatives I can see from this 1)He may help them get promoted 2)If he is not playing too well their moron fans will get on his back, as he is a villa player, and this could affect his confidence even more.
I'm not fussed where he goes to be honest as long as he gets game time to help improve his overall game.
He could come back a stronger character, and in some ways earn more admiration from AM for having the balls to go there.
Heard a whisper Mr Delfouneso is going to Small Heath after the weekend. Not happy if this happens anyone but them!!
Hardly surprising.
So having been shite all season the sum total of our January transfer window dealings is a veteran striker in the twilight of his career, for six games. We'll be behind QPR as well as Stoke come the end of the season.
We've slipped a fair way in the last year or two, but we'd have to go on a slide of titanic proportions to get insecure enough to worry about helping them.
I'd be surprised since Mcleish just said we probably aren't signing anyone and Alex will be on big wages.
I'd be surprised since Mcleish just said we probably aren't signing anyone and Alex will be on big wages.
3 clubs in for him QPR and another one that has been suggested is the Villa.
We can hope.
Delph going back to Leeds on loan according to Lorimer from people on twitter. If so, it leaves us even lighter in the centre of midfield.
He's a good player. He just needs a run of games.
We should be after a 'keeper. Guzan has stalled on his deal, and is on a free in the Summer.
With Given going straight back in tomorrow I imagine that'll confirm Guzan off in the Summer. With Shay's injury history we need a decent number 2.
Joe Lewis? Fraser Forster?
We should be after a 'keeper. Guzan has stalled on his deal, and is on a free in the Summer.
With Given going straight back in tomorrow I imagine that'll confirm Guzan off in the Summer. With Shay's injury history we need a decent number 2.
Joe Lewis? Fraser Forster?
I think it is poorly managed and Guzan is a damned good number 2.
Re Delph, I actually think he might need to change position. He goes missing a lot, but I think he could make a super left back.
I really like Delph, I think he could be Abit like Bale. No one was sure of him, he wasn't playing well after moving up to the prem, then it just suddenly clicked and he has t looked back.
I'd love either Samba or Alex aswell.
This is the most low key transfer window for villa since about 2006. How many links have actually been discussed on this thread?! It's mostly to do with players we already have, players we'd like to be linked with and the Robbie Keane deal.
You only have to look at the orgasm inducing glee of Stoke fans in the last window when they signed.......wait for it.......Peter Crouch and Wilson Palacios to see how dumbed down most people's expectations have becomeNo, Stoke signed possibly two of the biggest names in their history. That has nothing to do with anybody else. If I were a Stoke fan, I'd probably be excited by that as well.
The problem with Delph appears to be that he is a a bit of a jack of all trades. I do think there's a player there, but he needs to make a position his own. Left back? Not for me.
A problem for him is that Clark has come in and has given the midfield more balance so I can't see him getting too many more run outs in central midfield. Maybe once Petrov retires Delph and Clark could be a midfield pairing for the future?
You only have to look at the orgasm inducing glee of Stoke fans in the last window when they signed.......wait for it.......Peter Crouch and Wilson Palacios to see how dumbed down most people's expectations have becomeNo, Stoke signed possibly two of the biggest names in their history. That has nothing to do with anybody else. If I were a Stoke fan, I'd probably be excited by that as well.
As for 'very little' talent worth getting from abroad, according to whom? Tell us what you know of the Dutch, Swiss, French, Portuguese and Belgian leagues to come to that conclusion?
That's such a patronising attitude, Richard. For Stoke who have only been in the PL a short time those are significant signings. They've built themselves a strong squad and while I hate watching them you have to admire the way they have kept improving.
The January window is usually fairly slow, clubs don't really want to sell so it makes trading very difficult.
It comes as little surprise that you would enjoy smugly patronising smaller clubs.
It comes as little surprise that you would enjoy smugly patronising smaller clubs.
I was playing 'fantasy manager' in my head, and I was thinking that the perception of Villa has taken such a hit that we'd struggle to get really good players in even if we did have money.
I mean, say Randy gave us £40m again. Would we be able to get a Bent type signing?
What players available this January could we get that would really improve us? Alex and Samba, certainly. Even those would come with massive wages that they're not worth.
Hoilett is a third, and if we had really big money to go on one player I'm sure Newcastle or Everton would sell us Cabaye and Baines if the money was right.
We really need to start looking abroad, IMO.
It comes as little surprise that you would enjoy smugly patronising smaller clubs.
Edit: that was in response to your original reply where you cleaned to enjoy being patronising but subsequently deleted through not having the courage of your convictions.
It comes as little surprise that you would enjoy smugly patronising smaller clubs.
Edit: that was in response to your original reply where you claimed to enjoy being patronising but subsequently deleted through not having the courage of your convictions.
It comes as little surprise that you would enjoy smugly patronising smaller clubs.It comes as little surprise that you would enjoy smugly patronising smaller clubs.
You are right Chris, as ever
It comes as little surprise that you would enjoy smugly patronising smaller clubs.It comes as little surprise that you would enjoy smugly patronising smaller clubs.
You are right Chris, as ever
We both know that I am.
You have to admit richard, you do grumble quite a lot about the lack of quality in football today.
Solely watching Barcelona might be the only way to get your love back for the game though even then I'm sure you'll have some reservations!
As a Villa fan, I'd have been thrilled at signing Palacios. He'd have improved our midfield.
Acording to the Sunday Express this morning (from the Beeb, I don't buy the rag!) we tried to temot Liverpol with a deal for Carroll involving Bent!I read that this morning and that would just be silly. So much so that I don't believe it one bit!
Acording to the Sunday Express this morning (from the Beeb, I don't buy the rag!) we tried to temot Liverpol with a deal for Carroll involving Bent!I read that this morning and that would just be silly. So much so that I don't believe it one bit!
Why is it that anything between Villa and Liverpool seems to hit the press before any official contact between the clubs. Also, it makes the headlines and is not just amongst all the rest of the transfer rumours. We do not seem to have the same problem with other clubs.
I used to admire Liverpool as a club in the 70s and 80s when they were a great team but now they have sunk so low in my estimation for the way they run their club that I want any team that plays them to beat them and that would even extend to our friends down the road. Liverpool bring football into disrepute.
Why is it that anything between Villa and Liverpool seems to hit the press before any official contact between the clubs. Also, it makes the headlines and is not just amongst all the rest of the transfer rumours. We do not seem to have the same problem with other clubs.
I used to admire Liverpool as a club in the 70s and 80s when they were a great team but now they have sunk so low in my estimation for the way they run their club that I want any team that plays them to beat them and that would even extend to our friends down the road. Liverpool bring football into disrepute.
I agree OMVF. I'm starting to hope that the club, their overrated, whining, racist fans, their c*** of a manager and players like Gerrard, Downing, Carragher and Suarez (to a man prize c***s) will be sucked down a black hole. Hopefully some time soon.
I hope we don't sell Ireland.
I hope we don't sell Ireland.
An me. Who would have thought that a month ago?
different finances. Fulham could never afforded him. You only have to look at Alex. He must be on a fair whack at chelseaWe were still paying most of his wages when he was up at Newcastle.
Enjoyed watching Ireland yesterday, thought he was the best player on the pitch.
Enjoyed watching Ireland yesterday, thought he was the best player on the pitch.
I hope we do sell Ireland still an over rated over paid prick..
Enjoyed watching Ireland yesterday, thought he was the best player on the pitch.
He looked good in patches but he never created anything worthwhile - never has. I'd get rid of him if we got a decent offer and get someone better in.
Enjoyed watching Ireland yesterday, thought he was the best player on the pitch.
He looked good in patches but he never created anything worthwhile - never has. I'd get rid of him if we got a decent offer and get someone better in.
I take it by 'never created anything worthwhile' you are talking apart from Bent's goal... and I presume he won MOTM by doing nothing too?
Great, our most gifted player is finally beginning to feel part of the club and getting good vibes from the fans and people want to sell him. If only McLeish could train the team to move off the ball, Ireland might find the gaps to open sides up.
Great, our most gifted player is finally beginning to feel part of the club and getting good vibes from the fans and people want to sell him. If only McLeish could train the team to move off the ball, Ireland might find the gaps to open sides up.
Great, our most gifted player is finally beginning to feel part of the club and getting good vibes from the fans and people want to sell him. If only McLeish could train the team to move off the ball, Ireland might find the gaps to open sides up.
I hope we do sell Ireland still an over rated over paid prick..You shouldn't bottle things up...tell us what you really think.
Aston Villa are considering a loan move for Slovenia midfielder Armin Bacinovic, who plays for Italian club Palermo.
Aston Villa are considering a loan move for Slovenia midfielder Armin Bacinovic, who plays for Italian club Palermo.
Aston Villa are considering a loan move for Slovenia midfielder Armin Bacinovic, who plays for Italian club Palermo.
It would have made more sense to keep and play Makoun rather than loan him out to justify loaning someone else in! Farcical, to say the least, but then that's what Villa are becoming/have become these days! Shameful.
Aston Villa are considering a loan move for Slovenia midfielder Armin Bacinovic, who plays for Italian club Palermo.
It would have made more sense to keep and play Makoun rather than loan him out to justify loaning someone else in! Farcical, to say the least, but then that's what Villa are becoming/have become these days! Shameful.
Shameful? That a manager didn't particularly rate a player? Get a grip.
Indeed. He may well have ended up not being good enough, but at this stage none of us, including the management, are in a position to judge with certainty.
Aston Villa are considering a loan move for Slovenia midfielder Armin Bacinovic, who plays for Italian club Palermo.
It would have made more sense to keep and play Makoun rather than loan him out to justify loaning someone else in! Farcical, to say the least, but then that's what Villa are becoming/have become these days! Shameful.
Shameful? That a manager didn't particularly rate a player? Get a grip.
Indeed. He may well have ended up not being good enough, but at this stage none of us, including the management, are in a position to judge with certainty.
The managers (three of them, if you include Garry Mac) also saw him in training and between them decided he was only worth 7 games. I'm guessing he simply wasn't/isn't suited to the PL.
Makoun was woeful v Hereford
Indeed. He may well have ended up not being good enough, but at this stage none of us, including the management, are in a position to judge with certainty.
The managers (three of them, if you include Garry Mac) also saw him in training and between them decided he was only worth 7 games. I'm guessing he simply wasn't/isn't suited to the PL.
You've missed my point. At the time he wasn't worth more than seven games (only two decided that), but if given further time to acclimatise he may well have been. Noone knows how they'll turn out without the player being given a real opportunity. Not even a manager who's more qualified than I to make a judgement. Six months isn't enough for a foreign import to show their worth and the Premier League's history is littered with players who having been excellent elsewhere, initially struggled, only to go on and perform after a year or so. Pires is a good example.
We'd spent the money and it was worth giving him this season.
Indeed. He may well have ended up not being good enough, but at this stage none of us, including the management, are in a position to judge with certainty.
The managers (three of them, if you include Garry Mac) also saw him in training and between them decided he was only worth 7 games. I'm guessing he simply wasn't/isn't suited to the PL.
You've missed my point. At the time he wasn't worth more than seven games (only two decided that), but if given further time to acclimatise he may well have been. Noone knows how they'll turn out without the player being given a real opportunity. Not even a manager who's more qualified than I to make a judgement. Six months isn't enough for a foreign import to show their worth and the Premier League's history is littered with players who having been excellent elsewhere, initially struggled, only to go on and perform after a year or so. Pires is a good example.
We'd spent the money and it was worth giving him this season.
I get your point, I just don't agree with it.
If you're out of the team the way you get back into it is by impressing in training and my assumption is that Makoun did not do this, hence hasn't been given the chance you suggest he should have had. If others were doing better in the training, such as Herd, then he was rightly given a start ahead of Makoun. It's OK to mention other players who take time to settle, but if in the manager's judgement that isn't going to happen, based on what he sees from (and admittedly limted number of) first team appearances and during training, then he's right not to play him and try to move him on.
I think squad numbers and the subjective slant of a manager also plays a part in a player succeeding or not. Would Petrov have had so long to settle if it weren't for the persistence of MON? Managers just take to certain players and dismiss other ones. That's why the current manager has brought in two players he wanted whilst at the Blues.
I think squad numbers and the subjective slant of a manager also plays a part in a player succeeding or not. Would Petrov have had so long to settle if it weren't for the persistence of MON? Managers just take to certain players and dismiss other ones. That's why the current manager has brought in two players he wanted whilst at the Blues.
MON did give Petrov plenty of time, but back then there was very little competition for his place. With Makoun, you've got Petrov, Ireland, Herd, Delph and Clark, plus NRC last season, meaning he had to do more to stay in the team.
Collins plus cash in exchange for Scott dann is being mooted on sky- id take that , dann is a decent defender , do not rule out Craig Gardner returning to the club in a swap deal involving petrov or Delph Plus cash!
Anyone heard about the supposed swop of Bent for Carrol, instigated by Villa
apparently, Downing would be pleased. I hope this is just rumour but who knows!
Delph has now been linked to West Ham. I still think he will go back to leeds
In that scenario we'd probably have to throw in some extra money as wellAnyone heard about the supposed swop of Bent for Carrol, instigated by Villa
apparently, Downing would be pleased. I hope this is just rumour but who knows!
Why not throw in Heskey as well!
Anyone heard about the supposed swop of Bent for Carrol, instigated by Villa
apparently, Downing would be pleased. I hope this is just rumour but who knows!
Why not throw in Heskey as well!
Collins plus cash in exchange for Scott dann is being mooted on sky- id take that , dann is a decent defender , do not rule out Craig Gardner returning to the club in a swap deal involving petrov or Delph Plus cash!
I don't think Blackburn will sell Dann AND Samba this month and Samba has issued a transfer request so I don't think this will be a goer.
I don't think Blackburn will sell Dann AND Samba this month and Samba has issued a transfer request so I don't think this will be a goer.
I thought that was a bit of an optimistic timescale for someone who's split a ballbag. For something like that i'd need counselling, its bad enough thinking of it happening to someone else
Indeed. He may well have ended up not being good enough, but at this stage none of us, including the management, are in a position to judge with certainty.
The managers (three of them, if you include Garry Mac) also saw him in training and between them decided he was only worth 7 games. I'm guessing he simply wasn't/isn't suited to the PL.
I don't think Blackburn will sell Dann AND Samba this month and Samba has issued a transfer request so I don't think this will be a goer.
Physioroom.com has Dann as "doubtfull" to return on 21/01/12 so he may not pass a medical anyway
I don't think Blackburn will sell Dann AND Samba this month and Samba has issued a transfer request so I don't think this will be a goer.
Physioroom.com has Dann as "doubtfull" to return on 21/01/12 so he may not pass a medical anyway
You don't have to be fit to play to pass a medical.
A condition that will clear up (like, say, an exploded testicle) wouldn't be cause to fail a medical.
I don't think Blackburn will sell Dann AND Samba this month and Samba has issued a transfer request so I don't think this will be a goer.
Didn't McLeish say pre-season that Dann is no better than what we already have?I would hope that now he has seen our players in action he will reconsider that statement if this is true.
Didn't McLeish say pre-season that Dann is no better than what we already have?
I can't find mention of it anywhere, but I'm convinced that we put a sell-on clause when selling Gaz Cahill to Bolton. It was probably something piddly like 15% of any profit but can anyone confirm?
I suppose the sell on value is so small because he was not at all rated by whoever was questioned about it at the time of the sale. When you think about it we bought Zat to play in that position who MON must have thought was a better prospect. :o
Ireland has that osgood slatter disease.
Looks like Samba is off so can't see them letting Dann go until the summer now unfortunately.Isnt Dann injured anyway? I saw on the rumours page collins plus cash for Dann yesterday.
Looks like Samba is off so can't see them letting Dann go until the summer now unfortunately.Isnt Dann injured anyway? I saw on the rumours page collins plus cash for Dann yesterday.
Ireland has that osgood slatter disease.
Eh? Does he?
Didn't McLeish say pre-season that Dann is no better than what we already have?
I thought that was something kids get that sorts itself out once your bones stopped growing?
I thought that was something kids get that sorts itself out once your bones stopped growing?
If Collins/Dunn is true, then it's good business for us.
I see the geordies are shelling out ten million on another striker who is away on African Nations duty. Papiss Cisse, seems to have a decent record, albeit in the Bundesliga. SSN claiming we were interested.
I see the geordies are shelling out ten million on another striker who is away on African Nations duty. Papiss Cisse, seems to have a decent record, albeit in the Bundesliga. SSN claiming we were interested.
Good signing imo. Has a good goalscoring record in the Bundesliga like Demba Ba did and they play together for Senegal.
As much as I hate to say it, Newcastle have got to be some sort of role model for us, they weren't even in the prem two seasons ago!
And that stops us from buying good, cheap, young continental players does it?I see the geordies are shelling out ten million on another striker who is away on African Nations duty. Papiss Cisse, seems to have a decent record, albeit in the Bundesliga. SSN claiming we were interested.
Good signing imo. Has a good goalscoring record in the Bundesliga like Demba Ba did and they play together for Senegal.
As much as I hate to say it, Newcastle have got to be some sort of role model for us, they weren't even in the prem two seasons ago!
They have the fan base though, we don't.
I see the geordies are shelling out ten million on another striker who is away on African Nations duty. Papiss Cisse, seems to have a decent record, albeit in the Bundesliga. SSN claiming we were interested.
Good signing imo. Has a good goalscoring record in the Bundesliga like Demba Ba did and they play together for Senegal.
As much as I hate to say it, Newcastle have got to be some sort of role model for us, they weren't even in the prem two seasons ago!
I see the geordies are shelling out ten million on another striker who is away on African Nations duty. Papiss Cisse, seems to have a decent record, albeit in the Bundesliga. SSN claiming we were interested.
Good signing imo. Has a good goalscoring record in the Bundesliga like Demba Ba did and they play together for Senegal.
As much as I hate to say it, Newcastle have got to be some sort of role model for us, they weren't even in the prem two seasons ago!
They have the fan base though, we don't.
We have the fan base... we just choose not to capitalise on it.
And that stops us from buying good, cheap, young continental players does it?I see the geordies are shelling out ten million on another striker who is away on African Nations duty. Papiss Cisse, seems to have a decent record, albeit in the Bundesliga. SSN claiming we were interested.
Good signing imo. Has a good goalscoring record in the Bundesliga like Demba Ba did and they play together for Senegal.
As much as I hate to say it, Newcastle have got to be some sort of role model for us, they weren't even in the prem two seasons ago!
They have the fan base though, we don't.
Just completed the BBC predictor thingy and with giving us only one win for the rest of the season i had us finishing fifteenth with 36 points. QPR, Wigan and Bolton bottom to be relegated, Wolves escaping relegation by one point. The big if though is QPR, if they buy a few this month they could improve and make things tighter, no hope for Wigan and Bolton though.
I see the geordies are shelling out ten million on another striker who is away on African Nations duty. Papiss Cisse, seems to have a decent record, albeit in the Bundesliga. SSN claiming we were interested.
Good signing imo. Has a good goalscoring record in the Bundesliga like Demba Ba did and they play together for Senegal.
As much as I hate to say it, Newcastle have got to be some sort of role model for us, they weren't even in the prem two seasons ago!
They have the fan base though, we don't.
And that stops us from buying good, cheap, young continental players does it?I see the geordies are shelling out ten million on another striker who is away on African Nations duty. Papiss Cisse, seems to have a decent record, albeit in the Bundesliga. SSN claiming we were interested.
Good signing imo. Has a good goalscoring record in the Bundesliga like Demba Ba did and they play together for Senegal.
As much as I hate to say it, Newcastle have got to be some sort of role model for us, they weren't even in the prem two seasons ago!
They have the fan base though, we don't.
Newcastle are a funny one, and I can't make them out this season.
Is their relative success a case of Ashley learning from his mistakes and making a shrewd (if unpopular at the time) managerial signing in Pardew, or have they just got lucky?
Lucky is the wrong word.And that stops us from buying good, cheap, young continental players does it?I see the geordies are shelling out ten million on another striker who is away on African Nations duty. Papiss Cisse, seems to have a decent record, albeit in the Bundesliga. SSN claiming we were interested.
Good signing imo. Has a good goalscoring record in the Bundesliga like Demba Ba did and they play together for Senegal.
As much as I hate to say it, Newcastle have got to be some sort of role model for us, they weren't even in the prem two seasons ago!
They have the fan base though, we don't.
Newcastle are a funny one, and I can't make them out this season.
Is their relative success a case of Ashley learning from his mistakes and making a shrewd (if unpopular at the time) managerial signing in Pardew, or have they just got lucky?
Newcastle are a funny one, and I can't make them out this season.
Is their relative success a case of Ashley learning from his mistakes and making a shrewd (if unpopular at the time) managerial signing in Pardew, or have they just got lucky?
How many supporters would have been happy with Pardew as our manager? well okay most would have been if we new who the alternative was. For how many years have we been decrying the lack of cheaper imports, all through the MON years and it looks like we are continuing the process, can we get GH back please even with a dicky heart.
How many supporters would have been happy with Pardew as our manager? well okay most would have been if we new who the alternative was. For how many years have we been decrying the lack of cheaper imports, all through the MON years and it looks like we are continuing the process, can we get GH back please even with a dicky heart.
Why? In his time here, Houllier bought Darren Bent for a small fortune, Kyle Walker, Robert Pires and Jean II Makoun. His only foray into the foreign league was Makoun who wasn't particularly cheap, or good. Plus look at all the absolute shite he bought in his latter years at Liverpool.
Is it though?Newcastle are a funny one, and I can't make them out this season.
Is their relative success a case of Ashley learning from his mistakes and making a shrewd (if unpopular at the time) managerial signing in Pardew, or have they just got lucky?
Good scouting set up.
Exactly, its not like they're unheard of.Is it though?Newcastle are a funny one, and I can't make them out this season.
Is their relative success a case of Ashley learning from his mistakes and making a shrewd (if unpopular at the time) managerial signing in Pardew, or have they just got lucky?
Good scouting set up.
Tiote is fair enough, but anyone with even a passing interest in football outside the Premier League (as you would hope even the worst professional scout would have) would have been fully aware of Cabaye, Ba, Santon and Ben Arfa. All of them international players with experience of playing in the Champions League.
Is it though?Newcastle are a funny one, and I can't make them out this season.
Is their relative success a case of Ashley learning from his mistakes and making a shrewd (if unpopular at the time) managerial signing in Pardew, or have they just got lucky?
Good scouting set up.
Tiote is fair enough, but anyone with even a passing interest in football outside the Premier League (as you would hope even the worst professional scout would have) would have been fully aware of Cabaye, Ba, Santon and Ben Arfa. All of them international players with experience of playing in the Champions League.
How many supporters would have been happy with Pardew as our manager? well okay most would have been if we new who the alternative was. For how many years have we been decrying the lack of cheaper imports, all through the MON years and it looks like we are continuing the process, can we get GH back please even with a dicky heart.
Why? In his time here, Houllier bought Darren Bent for a small fortune, Kyle Walker, Robert Pires and Jean II Makoun. His only foray into the foreign league was Makoun who wasn't particularly cheap, or good. Plus look at all the absolute shite he bought in his latter years at Liverpool.
Pires was acquired because we were desperate for bodies, and he was unattached.
Bent was a good signing. Walker did very well for us and is currently holding down a place in a side with title aspirations.
Makoun is one to argue on, but seven matches isn't really the best of runs to settle in a new league.
Houllier had also earmarked Cabaye for this summer, and he'd have been here now if the manager still was.
I'm not saying Houllier was some kind of transfer market genius, but it's safe to say we wouldnt see that brainless fuckwit Hutton running around for us now if he'd still been in charge.
So.
Just a quick check of Villa news this morning and the first two things I read are:
Herd out for at least another month with ankle ligament damage.
Loan deal for Delph to go to Leeds.
Is it sensible to effectively be without two central midfielders for the next month or so? Our options there are getting thinner all the time, it seems - unless McLeish believes Gardener is ready to step up more significantly.
I see the geordies are shelling out ten million on another striker who is away on African Nations duty. Papiss Cisse, seems to have a decent record, albeit in the Bundesliga. SSN claiming we were interested.
Good signing imo. Has a good goalscoring record in the Bundesliga like Demba Ba did and they play together for Senegal.
As much as I hate to say it, Newcastle have got to be some sort of role model for us, they weren't even in the prem two seasons ago!
They have the fan base though, we don't.
What difference does that make to the sort of players we sign?
They're not even spending that much money.
If Randy and Ashley do not want to put money in, then surely the fact they are getting 15-20k more fans every other week means they can afford to buy players cheap who are coming towards the end of their contracts, but still pay decent wages.Pretty much.
Is my logic wrong?
Pardew got the job because he's casino mates with Ashley and Lambias, their CEO (who managed the casino they used).
They've done pretty well so far. It's hard to look at Ben Arfa, Tiote, Ba and Cabaye and not feel a certain amount of jealousy.
He'd have fucked off that useless thunderclunge Warnock too.
I see the geordies are shelling out ten million on another striker who is away on African Nations duty. Papiss Cisse, seems to have a decent record, albeit in the Bundesliga. SSN claiming we were interested.
Good signing imo. Has a good goalscoring record in the Bundesliga like Demba Ba did and they play together for Senegal.
As much as I hate to say it, Newcastle have got to be some sort of role model for us, they weren't even in the prem two seasons ago!
They have the fan base though, we don't.
What difference does that make to the sort of players we sign?
They're not even spending that much money.
If Randy and Ashley do not want to put money in, then surely the fact they are getting 15-20k more fans every other week means they can afford to buy players cheap who are coming towards the end of their contracts, but still pay decent wages.
Is my logic wrong?
As for Newcastle, I think we might be going a bit OTT on them and their 'master plan'. Yes, they're trying a different approach and there are parts of that we can take on board, but apart from Ba's goals they'd be mid-table and we wouldn't even be talking about them. And was that a master-stroke or a punt on an injured player that's paid off spectacularly? He's 26, so if as good as he's seemed over this half season, why was he scratching around for a club and playing at West Ham?
God, things must be bad when we're citing Newcastle as an example to follow. There's no mystery with them. For whatever reason the manager has clicked with the players and they're playing their hearts out for him. they've also got most of the carroll money still so the board there aren't splashing out compared to us
As for Newcastle, I think we might be going a bit OTT on them and their 'master plan'. Yes, they're trying a different approach and there are parts of that we can take on board, but apart from Ba's goals they'd be mid-table and we wouldn't even be talking about them. And was that a master-stroke or a punt on an injured player that's paid off spectacularly? He's 26, so if as good as he's seemed over this half season, why was he scratching around for a club and playing at West Ham?
Team in "if you took away their main source of goals, they wouldn't do as well" shocker ;-)
Newcastle are far from just about Ba. Look at their midfield for a start, very solid in the middle.
Also at the back, they're getting good performances out of Coloccini.
As for Newcastle, I think we might be going a bit OTT on them and their 'master plan'. Yes, they're trying a different approach and there are parts of that we can take on board, but apart from Ba's goals they'd be mid-table and we wouldn't even be talking about them. And was that a master-stroke or a punt on an injured player that's paid off spectacularly? He's 26, so if as good as he's seemed over this half season, why was he scratching around for a club and playing at West Ham?
Team in "if you took away their main source of goals, they wouldn't do as well" shocker ;-)
Newcastle are far from just about Ba. Look at their midfield for a start, very solid in the middle.
Also at the back, they're getting good performances out of Coloccini.
We still have the majority of the Young and Downing money.
We still have the majority of the Young and Downing money.
Do we? I know we have the money in terms of receiving it, but whether it's going to be made available for transfer funds is debatable, I think.
I hope people are right when they say we will be investing heavily this summer once the wage bill is cleared. I have thought so too in a while. A period of retrenchment should be followed by some heavy investment.
God, things must be bad when we're citing Newcastle as an example to follow. There's no mystery with them. For whatever reason the manager has clicked with the players and they're playing their hearts out for him. they've also got most of the carroll money still so the board there aren't splashing out compared to usSo there isn't a mystery, and then there is?
I hope people are right when they say we will be investing heavily this summer once the wage bill is cleared. I have thought so too in a while. A period of retrenchment should be followed by some heavy investment.
I doubt it
The club keep saying we have to be self financing - why people assume that applies purely to wage bill is beyond me.
They said the club has to live on its own means.
Why would that only involve the wage bill?
They said the club has to live on its own means.
Why would that only involve the wage bill?
They said the club has to live on its own means.
Why would that only involve the wage bill?
Even if that is right, then spending the transfer profit we've made recently would give us quite a bit of room to move in the summer market.
They said the club has to live on its own means.
Why would that only involve the wage bill?
I can only recall statements about the wage bill. We'll see in due course but I expect them to invest with a plan to improve revenue but with it all having to operate within a strict wage structure.
They said the club has to live on its own means.
Why would that only involve the wage bill?
I can only recall statements about the wage bill. We'll see in due course but I expect them to invest with a plan to improve revenue but with it all having to operate within a strict wage structure.
Welcome to our new home - it's known as mid table and is in the suburb of mediocrity
They said the club has to live on its own means.
Why would that only involve the wage bill?
"New" home ?
Villa have been mid-table for years (finishing 6th doesn't exactly count as challenging at the top)
I know it's not the best financial policy, but whatever happened to 'speculate to accumulate'? Instead of reigning in the money available so that McLeish has no room to maneuver, why don't they give say, 10/12 million and see what he can do with it?
If we was in the bottom 3 would Randy be splashing the cash?
If we was in the bottom 3 would Randy be splashing the cash?
I wouldn't call sixth mid-table. Those years we finished sixth we were within a few points of being fourth and spent time within the top 4. Weren't we title contenders in 08/09 at Christmas? We were where Spurs are now.....
Mutch at Blues looks a decent player...
We should really speculate to accumulate, but I can't see Randy doing that again. He took us as far as we could go, without getting enough back to warrant all the expenditure. I see that he's trying to make us a viable business, and probably to sell. Perhaps Randy feels a mid table club that stays in the black, is better than a top six club that loses money every year. That might be wrong, it might not. Perhaps any rich Arabs sniffing around us 2 years ago, have caught another scent whilst we've bombed down to mediocrity.
Realistically for a club our size and the income generated, spending £30m every season on transfers is about right. I've said all along that at the moment I don't mind finishing mid table due to the financial constraints we are under but all I ask for from the Team and management is some good football. At the moment, what we are witnessing is just plain dross.
I know it's not the best financial policy, but whatever happened to 'speculate to accumulate'? Instead of reigning in the money available so that McLeish has no room to maneuver, why don't they give say, 10/12 million and see what he can do with it?
I have no problem with that, but only if their good enough.Yes I agree. I think we need a core base of experienced players (7 maybe?) on the higher wage bracket with the rest made up of youth players on the lower wages.
Onouha on his way to QPR for £3m. Surely we should be looking at players like this. Good right back and can play at centre back.
And on a reported £80,000 per week. Staggering.
And on a reported £80,000 per week. Staggering.
you're joking!?!?!?! :o :o :o :o :o :o He is a good player and good value for money, as in the transfer fee BUT £80k a week??? You're having a laugh!
Like I've said before, it's not where we are, it's how we're existing while we're here.
Jorge Valdano once said: "in a league, only one team will win. If everyone plays "results football", what have the other teams contributed?" Slightly less romantically, that's my criticism of the team at the moment. If we can't win, we may as well be more entertaining. But there's a listlessness, a sense of middling around, almost of 'can't be bothered' around the club at the moment, which is a little hard to support.
Robin Hood?And on a reported £80,000 per week. Staggering.I
you're joking!?!?!?! :o :o :o :o :o :o He is a good player and good value for money, as in the transfer fee BUT £80k a week??? You're having a laugh!
Guess who his agent is?
Like I've said before, it's not where we are, it's how we're existing while we're here.
Jorge Valdano once said: "in a league, only one team will win. If everyone plays "results football", what have the other teams contributed?" Slightly less romantically, that's my criticism of the team at the moment. If we can't win, we may as well be more entertaining. But there's a listlessness, a sense of middling around, almost of 'can't be bothered' around the club at the moment, which is a little hard to support.
No way is he worth £80k a week. FFS. Football is screwed.
Robin Hood?And on a reported £80,000 per week. Staggering.I
you're joking!?!?!?! :o :o :o :o :o :o He is a good player and good value for money, as in the transfer fee BUT £80k a week??? You're having a laugh!
Guess who his agent is?
Robin Hood?And on a reported £80,000 per week. Staggering.I
you're joking!?!?!?! :o :o :o :o :o :o He is a good player and good value for money, as in the transfer fee BUT £80k a week??? You're having a laugh!
Guess who his agent is?
I can't spell his name,but its the weasel who represents Tevez and Hughes. Wouldn't be surprised if hes linked with the two Brazilians QPR are buying.
I wouldn't call sixth mid-table. Those years we finished sixth we were within a few points of being fourth and spent time within the top 4. Weren't we title contenders in 08/09 at Christmas? We were where Spurs are now.....
that's the thing with a lot of these deals. The transfer fee might be nominal, but when an above average player asks and can get 80 grand, you can see why there isn't much movement. If the player ends being Steve Sidwell or Heskey, servicable, decent on his day and not much else then he ends up in rotation with a big wage for a few years. If clubs in our position, and QPR are below that spend that much on wages it better be for much better than a Onouha type player, and the return better be quick. The world knows Hughes is the manager, that QPR are desperate and either clubs, agents, players or a combination of all three will be licking their lips as the window winds down.
QPR signing all these full backs...can we have Luke Young back please?
QPR signing all these full backs...can we have Luke Young back please?
And play him at left back.
Onouha is okay, nothing more. He should be on 25-30k a week, and that's being generous.
Mark Hughes has agreed a deal to bring defender Taye Taiwo to QPR from AC Milan........according to BBC Sport
Mark Hughes has agreed a deal to bring defender Taye Taiwo to QPR from AC Milan........according to BBC Sport
Did we not want him at some point?
What happened to our Nigerian trialist right back? Anyone is better than Hutton and Snivels
Personally I don't want us to ever deal with the likes of City, Spurs, Chelsea, Utd. Any players they'll sell will be shit, unwanted and come with ludicrous wage demands.
(Relatively speaking) I've no problem with the proven star players, the lynchpins of the the side (Given, Gabby, Bent et al) picking up the big money. It's when the squad players, those on the fringes pick up 40k+ you have a problem and that's what I guess when we talk of the 'wage situation' is what we're trying to change.
Of all the positions in the team, full back is the least likely to win you points. A poor fb can certainly cost you, but I cannot see the marginal difference between say a competent one and a very good one being worth premium money.
A Taye Taiwo twitter sounds like a dyslexic owl.Mark Hughes has agreed a deal to bring defender Taye Taiwo to QPR from AC Milan........according to BBC Sport
Did we not want him at some point?
What happened to our Nigerian trialist right back? Anyone is better than Hutton and Snivels
I thought he was a left back?
Anyway, I heard he wasn't invited for trial after blabbing on his twitter or something.
Fabian Delph has been signed by Leeds on loan
Yes til Feb 25thFabian Delph has been signed by Leeds on loan
Apparently its only a 1 month loan ? I could be wrong
A real shame that about Delph when we signed him I thought thats the kind of player we should take a punt on , shows what i know
I just don't think he is good enough to be honest.
I just don't think he is good enough to be honest.
sadly yeh but he is in good company on that one
Of all the positions in the team, full back is the least likely to win you points. A poor fb can certainly cost you, but I cannot see the marginal difference between say a competent one and a very good one being worth premium money.
Would have to say I disagree with that.
There was a time when that was right, when you could get any jobbing, solid pro and stick him in there.
But in the current game, the best ones are worth their weight in gold.
The way some teams are set up, the only width they get is from their fullbacks (or wingbacks). Whilst in other sides, the fullback overlaps with the winger/ wide midfielder and can cause mayhem down the flanks. If the player is good enough, this often means the opposition have to focus more on containing the threat rather than attacking themselves. So you're neutralising their attacking threat into the bargain.
Yes til Feb 25thFabian Delph has been signed by Leeds on loan
Apparently its only a 1 month loan ? I could be wrong
I though it was 7 mil but whats a million between friendsI just don't think he is good enough to be honest.
sadly yeh but he is in good company on that one
I think he would be better off plying his trade in the championship. Hopefully he will do well out of his loan and we can offload him for some money. I doubt we would ever get the £6m we paid for him back.
I though it was 7 mil but whats a million between friendsI just don't think he is good enough to be honest.
sadly yeh but he is in good company on that one
I think he would be better off plying his trade in the championship. Hopefully he will do well out of his loan and we can offload him for some money. I doubt we would ever get the £6m we paid for him back.
, Dirty Leeds are skint aren't they just in the process of selling their captain to Norwich ?
I just don't think he is good enough to be honest.
delph deal is it for a one month deal, or end of seasonThe former
delph deal is it for a one month deal, or end of season
delph deal is it for a one month deal, or end of season
Both, potentially.
Anybody know what our incoming fee is for the Delph loan?
I was just thinking that whatever that is, plus the £300k we're due from The ex-Bolton Defender, might mean we have some financial room to bring in a loan player of our own this month?
Asked if Delph will be replaced, McLeish replied: "He's only out on a short term basis so it would be difficult to look at replacing him."
Crazy if true!
Knowing McLeish we'll bring in Craig Gardner on loan.
Knowing McLeish we'll bring in Craig Gardner on loan.
Knowing McLeish we'll bring in Craig Gardner on loan.
Clark CB, Herd RB, Gardner CM.
Any chance of Makoun coming back? I only really see Ireland and Bannan as centre mid options in a 3, which means Clark and Petrov staying fit or Gardner really stepping up.
Makoun is currently injured
Makoun is currently injured
Fit again and played the last three Greek Super League games according to the Mail this week. Some quotes from AM about him which didn't sound as if he's in his plans at all.
When is Warnock's contract up? I can't see anyone actually spending money on him.
When is Warnock's contract up? I can't see anyone actually spending money on him.
I would jump at 2 million for him, I reckon MON would pay it.
Genuinely, I would be much happier with Ridgewell in there thank Warnock.
Anybody know what our incoming fee is for the Delph loan?
I was just thinking that whatever that is, plus the £300k we're due from The ex-Bolton Defender, might mean we have some financial room to bring in a loan player of our own this month?
When is Warnock's contract up? I can't see anyone actually spending money on him.
I would jump at 2 million for him, I reckon MON would pay it.
Genuinely, I would be much happier with Ridgewell in there thank Warnock.
Even a chair with two legsWhen is Warnock's contract up? I can't see anyone actually spending money on him.
I would jump at 2 million for him, I reckon MON would pay it.
Genuinely, I would be much happier with Ridgewell in there thank Warnock.
or a chair
When is Warnock's contract up? I can't see anyone actually spending money on him.
I would jump at 2 million for him, I reckon MON would pay it.
Genuinely, I would be much happier with Ridgewell in there thank Warnock.
Then we could have a player who 'nobody' would like.When is Warnock's contract up? I can't see anyone actually spending money on him.
I would jump at 2 million for him, I reckon MON would pay it.
Genuinely, I would be much happier with Ridgewell in there thank Warnock.
In other news Sochaux have signed the brilliantly named Yaya Banana.
Sounds like Gabby wasn't too well to be fair.
I disagree with the start. Great full backs at the top end are the difference between good and brilliant teams at times. Full backs who defend, but equally attack well become secondary wingers, and create a hell of a lot of openings. Walker showed that for us last season, he was a key man.
Watching Goals on Sunday (with Jenas) I get the impression a longer stay at Villa is on the cards.
Watching Goals on Sunday (with Jenas) I get the impression a longer stay at Villa is on the cards.
Who for, Jenas?! If so, have they never heard of the sayings "once bitten...." or "fool me once....."?
Aye, but I just got the feeling it's on the cards or at least was part of the loan deal agreement.
According to the People in the summer, Collins, Cuellar, Heskey and Beye will go in the summer,
Leicester in for the Fonz: http://t.co/3Rs1BC1H
Leicester in for the Fonz: http://t.co/3Rs1BC1HThat would be a good move
According to the People in the summer, Collins, Cuellar, Heskey and Beye will go in the summer,
That's some amazing journalism by the People, given that Cuellar, Heskey and Beye are all out of contract.
According to the People in the summer, Collins, Cuellar, Heskey and Beye will go in the summer,
That's some amazing journalism by the People, given that Cuellar, Heskey and Beye are all out of contract.
Bearing in mind The People are part of The Mirror (i think), then it all makes sense.
We have a 19 year old Jamaican striker called Brian Brown arriving for a 3 week trial, highly rated apparently.
We have a 19 year old Jamaican striker called Brian Brown arriving for a 3 week trial, highly rated apparently.
A new Dwight Yorke???
We have a 19 year old Jamaican striker called Brian Brown arriving for a 3 week trial, highly rated apparently.
A new Dwight Yorke???
his name doesnt fit in the New York song so easily though
Hopefully not like Dwight and he can afford his own shin pads as we sure cant afford to buy him a pairWe have a 19 year old Jamaican striker called Brian Brown arriving for a 3 week trial, highly rated apparently.
A new Dwight Yorke???
Hopefully not like Dwight and he can afford his own shin pads as we sure cant afford to buy him a pairWe have a 19 year old Jamaican striker called Brian Brown arriving for a 3 week trial, highly rated apparently.
A new Dwight Yorke???
We have a 19 year old Jamaican striker called Brian Brown arriving for a 3 week trial, highly rated apparently.
A new Dwight Yorke???
What happened to the Spanish/Portugese player who was supposed to be joining us in January who was out of contract at his present club due to some admin cock up on his transfer? Sorry cannot remember his name but it was well reported November/December last year.
Pay him in washers.
We have a 19 year old Jamaican striker called Brian Brown arriving for a 3 week trial, highly rated apparently.
A new Dwight Yorke???
Exactly my reaction when I read about this kid!
Wasn't he in the F/X films, with Brian "straight-to-VHS" Dennehy?
We have a 19 year old Jamaican striker called Brian Brown arriving for a 3 week trial, highly rated apparently.
A new Dwight Yorke???
Sky Sports reporting we have bid £6million for Scott Dann.About time we started focusing on the defence, he has been pretty ordinary up there though
Edit: Well Andy from sky sports is anyway :-s
It's odd that Blackburn have been so shit defensively (their goals against column makes horrendous reading) yet their two main centre halves are so highly regarded.
Surprised we didn't go for Dann when he was with Them and they went down. (still love saying that!)The second half when they atarted pumping balls into the box Collins and Dunne looked great, remember thier second goal, they took each other out.
Talking to a Wolves fan today who, after a whinge about Albrighton fouling poor old Karl and Petrov kicking a little boy's head off, said the Villa centre pair were magnificent!
And he wasn't taking the piss!
Can only assume Collins is on his way.
Can't see it myself, I'd like it to happen but where did we get the money from.
It's odd that Blackburn have been so shit defensively (their goals against column makes horrendous reading) yet their two main centre halves are so highly regarded.Good point, it shows that defence is not just about the 2 centre backs, thuer fullbacks are not world beaters and in front of them there is not much support, a bit like the villa
His words, not mine!Surprised we didn't go for Dann when he was with Them and they went down. (still love saying that!)The second half when they atarted pumping balls into the box Collins and Dunne looked great, remember thier second goal, they took each other out.
Talking to a Wolves fan today who, after a whinge about Albrighton fouling poor old Karl and Petrov kicking a little boy's head off, said the Villa centre pair were magnificent!
And he wasn't taking the piss!
Can only assume Collins is on his way.
Can't see then letting Dann go if Samba is on his way too.If rumours are true then there's a specific clause in his contract allowing him to leave if Blackburn's better players are sold.
I heard from a Blackburn boxholder last Thursday that Dann is coming our way with Dunne moving to Bburn. We pay £2m.
Why would Dunne agree to that?
Dann's problem is that he never seems to be able to stay fit for longer than 3 games at a time. That would be a crazy move for all parties.
if it appened then i wood be appy as only got to change 1 letter before i berate him like dunn!!!!! then i cud slag off makleash all game easyer!!!!!I heard from a Blackburn boxholder last Thursday that Dann is coming our way with Dunne moving to Bburn. We pay £2m.
what?!
Apparently it was just a twitter wind-up.
The fact he was linked with Liverpool & Chelsea and then went to Blackburn speaks volumes
I don't normally watch SSN, but have just turned it on, and my word, that Natalie Sawyer has fantastic breasts.
I can see why Eastie loves this channel so much now.
Millie Clode is the prettiest though.
I don't normally watch SSN, but have just turned it on, and my word, that Natalie Sawyer has fantastic breasts.
I can see why Eastie loves this channel so much now.
Millie Clode is the prettiest though.
Was Eck not quoted sayimg that when Dann moved to Blackburn he was not worth what they paid for him?
Why would Dunne agree to that?Apparently he wants to limit the number of games he is selected for as part of his contract and reckons that is more likely at Bburn than Villa.
Why would Dunne agree to that?Apparently he wants to limit the number of games he is selected for as part of his contract and reckons that is more likely at Bburn than Villa.
However this and the swap talk could be bollox.
Millie Clode is the prettiest though.
That would be Charlie Webster. With Ms Clode, Hayley McQueen and Kirsty Gallagher close seconds.
Also, the irish bird that looks like she's from the 80s has awesome bewbage.
I'd probably bone all the SSN chicks
I don't normally watch SSN, but have just turned it on, and my word, that Natalie Sawyer has fantastic breasts.
What she is a big fat fucker who can't keep her gob out of the fridge?I don't normally watch SSN, but have just turned it on, and my word, that Natalie Sawyer has fantastic breasts.
She's got a bit of the Nigella Lawson's about her
What she is a big fat fucker who can't keep her gob out of the fridge?I don't normally watch SSN, but have just turned it on, and my word, that Natalie Sawyer has fantastic breasts.
She's got a bit of the Nigella Lawson's about her
SSN babes love Ikea just as much as your other half, don't be titnotized by them.
That's the England thing gone then, that said, wasn't Cappello also an habitual avoider, allegedly, perhaps its a prerequisite of the job.
Has this been the most uneventful transfer window on record or what? the most exciting things that has happened is Harry Redknapp having a bank account called Rosy, and stashing millions.
Absolutely Maz. It's vulgar.
Nowadays - I'm officially old - players are pretty much solely rated based on their transfer value whereas their ability to pass/tackle/shoot etc are largely ignored.
Could it be that Mr Redknapp is otherwise engaged, so no stories or rumours are available
Has this been the most uneventful transfer window on record or what? the most exciting things that has happened is Harry Redknapp having a dead dog called Rosy, and a fairy of a son.
Allegedly
Has this been the most uneventful transfer window on record or what? the most exciting things that has happened is Harry Redknapp having a dead dog called Rosy, and a fairy of a son.
Allegedly
Sick
Has this been the most uneventful transfer window on record or what? the most exciting things that has happened is Harry Redknapp having a dead dog called Rosy, and a fairy of a son.
Allegedly
Sick
Indeed.
I liked the look of Zaha of Palace quite a raw talent but looks like he's got a lot of promise.
Link to Ryan Williams at Portsmouth: http://t.co/objRPZWD - 18 year old winger.
We can't dine at the top table,so getting younger players from lower leagues or abroad could be the way forward.
I liked the look of Zaha of Palace quite a raw talent but looks like he's got a lot of promise.
Matt Dickinson at The Times reckons Onuoha is on 46k per week 'basic' with up to 12k in bonuses at Man City and in joining QPR is moving onto 60k 'basic' plus bonuses.
Crazy, crazy days.
I'd love us to make a Bid for Hoillett, 8 or 10 mill plus Heskey and Cuellar.
When you see who his agent is,it all makes sense.
I like Hoilett, but I'm not sure the signing makes sense right now.
Excluding Keane, we have 5 very good players for 4 forward spots - Bent, Gabby, Ireland, N'Zogbia and Albrighton. Plus Bannan and Gardner, who I could see playing further forward.
So, if money is tight, that £8-10m would be better spent on our defence, which is the weak link.
Nothing against the player, just that we need to be sensible unless Randy is opening up the wallet to the extent he used to.
Hoilett is out of contract in the summer, so the sensible thing to do would be to sign him up on a pre-contract now and get him on a Bosman once the three players we have taking chunks out of our wage bill have left, however, being Villa....That would be sensible, if we were allowed to do it.
I thought players who were out of contract in the summer were allowed to "talk" to other clubs in Jan.
Anyone else seen this? Old habits die hard I guess.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/26/sunderland-kevin-davies-bolton
Matt Dickinson at The Times reckons Onuoha is on 46k per week 'basic' with up to 12k in bonuses at Man City and in joining QPR is moving onto 60k 'basic' plus bonuses.
Crazy, crazy days.
For a guy who has not had a sniff at 1st team level for what seems ages
Crazy days indeed and just goes to show that no one can compete at that level
I liked Young. The defence always seemed a bit more solid when he was playing. I'd have him back, he'd be useful on the left.
I'm annoyed that we missed out on Onouha, I think he'd have filled the hole that Cuellar is going to leave in the squad. I think the only way forward now with the financial restrictions is to try and build a squad of 17-24 year olds with potential and then weed out the wastrels. We need a strong youth scouting network in the European leagues and more investment in our youth system.
Onouha being on the much money, if true, is horrific. That Kia Ora agent fella is either brilliant at his job or more bent than 'arry.
Onouha being on the much money, if true, is horrific. That Kia Ora agent fella is either brilliant at his job or more bent than 'arry.
The reason he's getting that kind of deal us because players need a lot of convincing to join a small club that will very possibly go down.
It is the same reason someone like Aguero gets paid more by Man City than he would at bigger clubs elsewhere in Europe. Say, Milan or City, same money, it's Milan every time. Thrw another 50k on top every week and it's Man City.
QPR and Man City being our overlords. Who ever would have thought it?
QPR and Man City being our overlords. Who ever would have thought it?
Are they fuck. When combined they've won close to what we've won in our wonderful history I might give a shit about their existence. They'll need to do a lot in the game for a significant period of time to be anything close to who we are. Don't let Sky convince you otherwise.
Young is solid and dependable. Hutton is largely frightening.This.
QPR and Man City being our overlords. Who ever would have thought it?
Are they fuck. When combined they've won close to what we've won in our wonderful history I might give a shit about their existence. They'll need to do a lot in the game for a significant period of time to be anything close to who we are. Don't let Sky convince you otherwise.
Fuck Luke Young. I dont know why there is so much clamour for his return. Never more than decent and he wanted to go.I also think that about Luke Young, I get the impression he never really wanted to be here. And he jumped ship when he got chance. Fair play, he had a lot to deal with after his step-bro died.
If Hutton is to be replaced then I'd sooner give Lichaj and Herd the chance.
Onohua is nowhere near worth the wage he's earning. I'm glad we're not paying it. More fool QPR.
Young is solid and dependable. Hutton is largely frightening.
Young was solid, but watching Villa over the last 20 years I'd have him behind Barrett, Nelson, Charles, Delaney and Walker as my favourite right backs.
Why are QPR our overlords ? I don't understand.
Why are QPR our overlords ? I don't understand.
He quite obviously is referring to the amount of money they have.
Young was solid, but watching Villa over the last 20 years I'd have him behind Barrett, Nelson, Charles, Delaney and Walker as my favourite right backs.
I think you're being generous to Charles and Nelson.
Walker was the best right back we've probably had since the start of the Premier League, then Young, then Delaney.
Walker was the best right back we've probably had since the start of the Premier League, then Young, then Delaney.
Don't agree with that.
Walker was great going forward and had fantastic pace, but he was too iffy defensively to claim that honour, in my opinion.
He's young, though, and will doubtless get better.
He wasn't the finished article, but we've not had a right back that is.Walker was the best right back we've probably had since the start of the Premier League, then Young, then Delaney.
Don't agree with that.
Walker was great going forward and had fantastic pace, but he was too iffy defensively to claim that honour, in my opinion.
He's young, though, and will doubtless get better.
I agree going forward very good but some of his defensive/positional play was very poor
Walker was the best right back we've probably had since the start of the Premier League, then Young, then Delaney.
Don't agree with that.
Walker was great going forward and had fantastic pace, but he was too iffy defensively to claim that honour, in my opinion.
He's young, though, and will doubtless get better.
As this is the transfer rumour thread. Were being linked with Rhys Williams young winger from Pompey and a Douglas a highly rated centre half who plays for FC Twente.
Walker was the best right back we've probably had since the start of the Premier League, then Young, then Delaney.
Don't agree with that.
Walker was great going forward and had fantastic pace, but he was too iffy defensively to claim that honour, in my opinion.
He's young, though, and will doubtless get better.
FFS
FFS
Don't be shocked or upset. I think McLeish's answer is the same as every other manager with possibly the exception of Hughes. This has been by far the worst transfer window ever.
FFS
Don't be shocked or upset. I think McLeish's answer is the same as every other manager with possibly the exception of Hughes. This has been by far the worst transfer window ever.
Worst? Or best? The sooner football becomes less about football mercenaries moving for big money and begins to be about clubs being built from the bottom up the better.
He'd have learnt a lot from 6 Months under Houllier.
QPR and Man City being our overlords. Who ever would have thought it?
Are they fuck. When combined they've won close to what we've won in our wonderful history I might give a shit about their existence. They'll need to do a lot in the game for a significant period of time to be anything close to who we are. Don't let Sky convince you otherwise.
Who we were ,you mean , the game and times have changed and we are no longer one of the the big boys in the present times.
Stand still and teams will fly past us and that is sadly the situation we are now in, an also ran, just making up the numbers and happy to survive in the premier league .
Villa eyeing loan deal for Malaga battering ram Rondon as Heskey replacement
By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 10:23 PM on 27th January 2012
Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish is exploring the possibility of a loan deal for Malaga striker José Salomón Rondon.
The exciting 22-year-old Venezuela international has a record of a goal every three games for his club.
And his powerful performances have caught the eye of the Villa boss this term as he looks for a strong frontman to replace Emile Heskey.
At 6ft 3in Rondon fits the bill and the five goals he has scored in 21 games for his country.
Daily HeilQuoteVilla eyeing loan deal for Malaga battering ram Rondon as Heskey replacement
By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 10:23 PM on 27th January 2012
Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish is exploring the possibility of a loan deal for Malaga striker José Salomón Rondon.
The exciting 22-year-old Venezuela international has a record of a goal every three games for his club.
And his powerful performances have caught the eye of the Villa boss this term as he looks for a strong frontman to replace Emile Heskey.
At 6ft 3in Rondon fits the bill and the five goals he has scored in 21 games for his country.
Using that logic, lets take Nikola Zigic from the Blues.Daily HeilQuoteVilla eyeing loan deal for Malaga battering ram Rondon as Heskey replacement
By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 10:23 PM on 27th January 2012
Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish is exploring the possibility of a loan deal for Malaga striker José Salomón Rondon.
The exciting 22-year-old Venezuela international has a record of a goal every three games for his club.
And his powerful performances have caught the eye of the Villa boss this term as he looks for a strong frontman to replace Emile Heskey.
At 6ft 3in Rondon fits the bill and the five goals he has scored in 21 games for his country.
Sounds like a good idea.
As much as some might dislike the way that Emile plays, we do need a big bloke on the bench as a "plan B"
Daily HeilQuoteVilla eyeing loan deal for Malaga battering ram Rondon as Heskey replacement
By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 10:23 PM on 27th January 2012
Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish is exploring the possibility of a loan deal for Malaga striker José Salomón Rondon.
The exciting 22-year-old Venezuela international has a record of a goal every three games for his club.
And his powerful performances have caught the eye of the Villa boss this term as he looks for a strong frontman to replace Emile Heskey.
At 6ft 3in Rondon fits the bill and the five goals he has scored in 21 games for his country.
What do you reckon the fee was for Lowry? Yeah, I'm asking you.
Daily HeilQuoteVilla eyeing loan deal for Malaga battering ram Rondon as Heskey replacement
You could hardly describe Heskey as a battering ram. Carew, maybe... but Heskey?
By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 10:23 PM on 27th January 2012
Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish is exploring the possibility of a loan deal for Malaga striker José Salomón Rondon.
The exciting 22-year-old Venezuela international has a record of a goal every three games for his club.
And his powerful performances have caught the eye of the Villa boss this term as he looks for a strong frontman to replace Emile Heskey.
At 6ft 3in Rondon fits the bill and the five goals he has scored in 21 games for his country.
Seen a bit of him last year and thought he looked useful, the kind of player who -whilst not a world beater- could do well in the Prem.
Would have thought they'd be looking for a big fee. But seeing as (a) he's behind Van Horseyboy and Julio Baptista and (b) Malaga are now the Man Citeh of Spain, maybe they're not fussed about such trifling matters.
Would only be interested if it's a loan with a view to buy though.
QPR and Man City being our overlords. Who ever would have thought it?
QPR and Man City being our overlords. Who ever would have thought it?
QPR will just be another West Ham I think. I really can't see them being a major force in the game.
Who have QPR bought? An couple of reasonable full-backs and that is it. I do not see Fernandes bankrolling them to the extent of a Chelsea or Man City. They will be one of the teams slogging it out with us for midtable.
Who have QPR bought? An couple of reasonable full-backs and that is it. I do not see Fernandes bankrolling them to the extent of a Chelsea or Man City. They will be one of the teams slogging it out with us for midtable.
Who have QPR bought? An couple of reasonable full-backs and that is it. I do not see Fernandes bankrolling them to the extent of a Chelsea or Man City. They will be one of the teams slogging it out with us for midtable.
Fernandes is nowhere near as rich as Abramovich.
Who have QPR bought? An couple of reasonable full-backs and that is it. I do not see Fernandes bankrolling them to the extent of a Chelsea or Man City. They will be one of the teams slogging it out with us for midtable.
Fernandes is nowhere near as rich as Abramovich.
Or Randy Lerner, I believe.
QPR and Man City being our overlords. Who ever would have thought it?
QPR will just be another West Ham I think. I really can't see them being a major force in the game.
i thought that about Chelsea when Abramovich took over,
the club itself is irelavent, money is the major force in football today, if you have it and spend it you will be a force, thats the way it works now i'm afraid
Liverpool contacted me and offered Caroll for my mother-in-law. It only fell through when they realised she was black.
January 28, 2012
QUICK SPIN
Mwanga training with Aston Villa for 10 days
CHESTER, Pa. - Philadelphia Union forward Danny Mwanga has embarked for a 10-day training stint with Barclay’s English Premier League side Aston Villa. He will join his teammates in Orlando on February 6, in time for the start of the Union’s second leg of preseason.
The Union selected Mwanga as a Generation adidas signee with the first overall selection in the 2010 MLS SuperDraft, the first draft pick in club history. After starting the first-ever match in Union history in Seattle on March 25, Mwanga finished his rookie season with seven goals and four assists and was a Rookie of the Year finalist. Mwanga battled minor injuries during his sophomore campaign but finished the season with five goals and four assists 28 matches.
Aston Villa sit in 11th place in the Premier League standings and feature USMNT goalkeeper Brad Guzan and striker Robbie Keane, currently on a six-week loan from the LA Galaxy.
Mwanga is the seventh member of the Union to train abroad this offseason. Midfielder Freddy Adu joined La Liga side Rayo Vallecano, goalkeeper Zac MacMath trained alongside Tim Howard at Everton, Amobi Okugo trained with Bundesliga side SC Freiburgand, 16-year-old Zach Pfeffer trained with Bundesliga side Hoffenheim, Michael Farfan spent two weeks with Sunderland and Sebastien Le Toux recently returned from Bolton.
Philly Soccer News (http://www.phillysoccernews.com/teams/union2.php?article_id=8070)QuoteJanuary 28, 2012
QUICK SPIN
Mwanga training with Aston Villa for 10 days
CHESTER, Pa. - Philadelphia Union forward Danny Mwanga has embarked for a 10-day training stint with Barclay’s English Premier League side Aston Villa. He will join his teammates in Orlando on February 6, in time for the start of the Union’s second leg of preseason.
The Union selected Mwanga as a Generation adidas signee with the first overall selection in the 2010 MLS SuperDraft, the first draft pick in club history. After starting the first-ever match in Union history in Seattle on March 25, Mwanga finished his rookie season with seven goals and four assists and was a Rookie of the Year finalist. Mwanga battled minor injuries during his sophomore campaign but finished the season with five goals and four assists 28 matches.
Aston Villa sit in 11th place in the Premier League standings and feature USMNT goalkeeper Brad Guzan and striker Robbie Keane, currently on a six-week loan from the LA Galaxy.
Mwanga is the seventh member of the Union to train abroad this offseason. Midfielder Freddy Adu joined La Liga side Rayo Vallecano, goalkeeper Zac MacMath trained alongside Tim Howard at Everton, Amobi Okugo trained with Bundesliga side SC Freiburgand, 16-year-old Zach Pfeffer trained with Bundesliga side Hoffenheim, Michael Farfan spent two weeks with Sunderland and Sebastien Le Toux recently returned from Bolton.
Liverpool contacted me and offered Caroll for my mother-in-law. It only fell through when they realised she was black.
Aston Villa midfielder Barry Bannan could be a shock mover before the transfer window closes.
Barry Bannan played some beautiful passes today in the few minutes he was on. Why didn't Ireland go it himself with the first one?
I'd hate to see us sell him this season.
Barry Bannan played some beautiful passes today in the few minutes he was on. Why didn't Ireland go it himself with the first one?
I'd hate to see us sell him this season.
Beautiful passes with no penetration. I also remember him wasting a couple of decent free kicks. He's a lightweight.
Barry Bannan played some beautiful passes today in the few minutes he was on. Why didn't Ireland go it himself with the first one?
I'd hate to see us sell him this season.
Beautiful passes with no penetration. I also remember him wasting a couple of decent free kicks. He's a lightweight.
yep. Lerner's totally lost any interest. Death by slow boredom
Everton are in talks with Jelavic of Rangers. Probably not a player of interest to us but it does seem that they have started to loosen their purse strings.
Can't believe this thread is still open really. Lets face it we're stuck with the same incompetants till May and i doubt much will change in the summer either apart from departures
yep. Lerner's totally lost any interest. Death by slow boredom
What is boring about relegation battle after relegation battle? I find it quite exhilarating to be honest.
yep. Lerner's totally lost any interest. Death by slow boredom
yep. Lerner's totally lost any interest. Death by slow boredom
Splash the cash or leave and preferably the latter option.Who are you expecting him to sell to?
Splash the cash or leave and preferably the latter option.Who are you expecting him to sell to?
Hope and pray QIA rumours will come true otherwise I expect years of stagnation and fighting to stay up.
Keane has shown me how badly we need to overhaul things. Even being well past his prime he has slotted straight in and highlighted how lacking in footballing brains and leadership we are.
The way I feel at the mo, I would go all out to get Keane on a permanent deal and make him captain. Everyone else hasn't got a scooby doo!
I feel sorry for the likes of Bannan, Clark and Albrighton at the moment. They are surrounded by a number of shit players who are putting the team under pressure. People keep saying "lets play the youngsters" but I dont think thats a good idea at the moment as it can only harm their confidence and development more. Until we have some stability only then can we start introducing the youth more and more. Thats just my opinion. I felt sorry for Bannan yesterday when he came on as there was some right moron's behind me just cursing him at every opportunity. The kid had like 10mins to make an impact.
I admit, when the news of us signing keane broke, I wasn't too keen on the idea but it made more and more sense as the days went by. I wish we could keep him until the end of the season.
yep. Lerner's totally lost any interest. Death by slow boredom
What is boring about relegation battle after relegation battle? I find it quite exhilarating to be honest.yep. Lerner's totally lost any interest. Death by slow boredomyep. Lerner's totally lost any interest. Death by slow boredom
This is the same Lerner who paid out for 60 + Coaches to take fans down to the Emirates ? , thats some kind of disinterest .............same old morose post-match , navel gazing bollox on here , I see , Plus ça change plus ça reste la même chose , unfortunatley . ......................Godzvilla!
We have no idea of what his plans are apart from reducing the wage bill and off load the players that are not being used.
Splash the cash or leave and preferably the latter option.
We all know what the position is, we're having to get the wage bill in order so in order to gring pmayets in others will have to leave.
We all know what the position is, we're having to get the wage bill in order so in order to gring pmayets in others will have to leave.
I don't think we need to gring any pmayets in myself.
Splash the cash or leave and preferably the latter option.
Leave to be replaced by who?
Think Venky's or Ranson before you go wishing for Lerner to leave.
Couldn't be worse you say? Oh yes it fucking could!
We all know what the position is, we're having to get the wage bill in order so in order to gring pmayets in others will have to leave.
I don't think we need to gring any pmayets in myself.
Splash the cash or leave and preferably the latter option.
Leave to be replaced by who?
Think Venky's or Ranson before you go wishing for Lerner to leave.
Couldn't be worse you say? Oh yes it fucking could!
Dead right. I'm not overjoyed at the way Randy's running things at present, but it could be a damn sight worse
We always get these demands for statements from the board then as soon as they do the same people say "don't tell me, show me" or some similar nonsense.
We all know what the position is, we're having to get the wage bill in order so in order to gring pmayets in others will have to leave.
yep. Lerner's totally lost any interest. Death by slow boredom
What is boring about relegation battle after relegation battle? I find it quite exhilarating to be honest.yep. Lerner's totally lost any interest. Death by slow boredomyep. Lerner's totally lost any interest. Death by slow boredom
This is the same Lerner who paid out for 60 + Coaches to take fans down to the Emirates ? , thats some kind of disinterest .............same old morose post-match , navel gazing bollox on here , I see , Plus ça change plus ça reste la même chose , unfortunatley . ......................Godzvilla!
And that is the sort of mentality we seem to have in some quarters- 'It could have been a lot worse' !
Try, 'It could have been a lot better', because initially it was supposed to be.
To stay where we are in the premiership would take a fair amount of investment , to get anywhere near the top 6 would take multi multi millions as liverpool are finding out - with the prize money as it is why would randy spend £30m to get maybe £2m more in prize money- seems to me without massive investment in players we are going to be stagnating for a long long time and gates will continue to drop.
Football nowadays is all about money and not the game I loved in the 70s.
To stay where we are in the premiership would take a fair amount of investment , to get anywhere near the top 6 would take multi multi millions as liverpool are finding out - with the prize money as it is why would randy spend £30m to get maybe £2m more in prize money- seems to me without massive investment in players we are going to be stagnating for a long long time and gates will continue to drop.
Football nowadays is all about money and not the game I loved in the 70s.
Absolutely true re: Liverpool. They spent multiples of millions in the last 12 months just to stay in the shadow of the leading pack. Villa did the usual short term splurge, then pulled the purse strings closed.
Splash the cash or leave and preferably the latter option.
Leave to be replaced by who?
Think Venky's or Ranson before you go wishing for Lerner to leave.
Couldn't be worse you say? Oh yes it fucking could!
Dead right. I'm not overjoyed at the way Randy's running things at present, but it could be a damn sight worse
yep. Lerner's totally lost any interest. Death by slow boredom
What is boring about relegation battle after relegation battle? I find it quite exhilarating to be honest.yep. Lerner's totally lost any interest. Death by slow boredomyep. Lerner's totally lost any interest. Death by slow boredom
This is the same Lerner who paid out for 60 + Coaches to take fans down to the Emirates ? , thats some kind of disinterest .............same old morose post-match , navel gazing bollox on here , I see , Plus ça change plus ça reste la même chose , unfortunatley . ......................Godzvilla!
yeah, well if i'd pocketed about 15m from the club in transfer fees in the summer, i'd woiuldn't mind paying for a coach trip either.
Hmm, anyway back on to this transfer window, i had a feeling it was going to be quiet but not this quiet.
To stay where we are in the premiership would take a fair amount of investment , to get anywhere near the top 6 would take multi multi millions as liverpool are finding out - with the prize money as it is why would randy spend £30m to get maybe £2m more in prize money- seems to me without massive investment in players we are going to be stagnating for a long long time and gates will continue to drop.
Football nowadays is all about money and not the game I loved in the 70s.
Absolutely true re: Liverpool. They spent multiples of millions in the last 12 months just to stay in the shadow of the leading pack. Villa did the usual short term splurge, then pulled the purse strings closed.
Could be worse should be our new club motto.
In fact, it would have been a perfect fit from about the early noughties onwards (with a brief interlude between 2006/10).
The noughties weren't a good decade for us. For the few years we were good we managed to underachieve. I'd take the 90s over the noughties anyday!
Keith Andrews has handed in a transfer request
Keith Andrews has handed in a transfer request
Keith Andrews has handed in a transfer request
From the bbc thingy
Luke Birmingham on text, via 81111: "I've heard James Collins going to Sunderland for £3m with Craig Gardner going back to Villa in exchange. Also Heskey on O'Neill's radar if Kevin Davies deal falls through. "
if he wants to show he cares, then he should open up his wallet properly and spend some of the money he's siphoned off since last summer. A pittance in real terms on coach travel is neither here nor thereDoes he trust this manager more than the other one after all Hutton and Nzog cost a lot of money and what have they done?
if he wants to show he cares, then he should open up his wallet properly and spend some of the money he's siphoned off since last summer. A pittance in real terms on coach travel is neither here nor thereDoes he trust this manager more than the other one after all Hutton and Nzog cost a lot of money and what have they done?
From the bbc thingy
Luke Birmingham on text, via 81111: "I've heard James Collins going to Sunderland for £3m with Craig Gardner going back to Villa in exchange. Also Heskey on O'Neill's radar if Kevin Davies deal falls through. "
Sadly i fear MON won't buy any of the tat he left here just out of spite
Good news, QPR are in talks with Fulham for the possible transfer of Bobby Zamora! I bet Eck is thinking "aaah the one that got away"
We might aswell talk about other teams signings in this thread as clearly, we are not going to do any business.
Can't work that out!
Alex_Wilshaw on Twitter: "Jordan Rhodes looking like Bent's replacement at Villa if he goes to Liverpool for £20 million."
Alex_Wilshaw on Twitter: "Jordan Rhodes looking like Bent's replacement at Villa if he goes to Liverpool for £20 million."
Alex_Wilshaw on Twitter: "Jordan Rhodes looking like Bent's replacement at Villa if he goes to Liverpool for £20 million."
Wayne Bridge & Kevin Davies. Some people never change.MON is a nutter. That's probably well over £100,000 a week between them.
Alex_Wilshaw on Twitter: "Jordan Rhodes looking like Bent's replacement at Villa if he goes to Liverpool for £20 million."
And Alex Wilshaw is who? Oh, a 19 year old student making up rumours on deadline day. Move along, folks.Not to mention he is at the University of Kent and supports Leeds and is based on Dover! Such a sad little pleb. CLearly he has NO uni work to be getting on with so makes up this tosh to get a reaction.
Rumours about Liverpool having a £14m bid for Defoe accepted.
Mental money if true.
Rumours about Liverpool having a £14m bid for Defoe accepted.
Mental money if true.
If that's true I could see Carroll being at Spurs before the end of the day cos 'arry loyaks 'im innit.
Rumours about Liverpool having a £14m bid for Defoe accepted.
Mental money if true.
If that's true I could see Carroll being at Spurs before the end of the day cos 'arry loyaks 'im innit.
If it is true (14m for Defoe), we should all bow down to Daniel Levy for proving himself a true master of the transfer system once more.
Rumours about Liverpool having a £14m bid for Defoe accepted.
Mental money if true.
Rumours about Liverpool having a £14m bid for Defoe accepted.
Mental money if true.
If that's true I could see Carroll being at Spurs before the end of the day cos 'arry loyaks 'im innit.
If it is true (14m for Defoe), we should all bow down to Daniel Levy for proving himself a true master of the transfer system once more.
Wayne Bridge & Kevin Davies. Some people never change.MON is a nutter. That's probably well over £100,000 a week between them.
Splash the cash or leave and preferably the latter option.
Leave to be replaced by who?
Think Venky's or Ranson before you go wishing for Lerner to leave.
Couldn't be worse you say? Oh yes it fucking could!
Dead right. I'm not overjoyed at the way Randy's running things at present, but it could be a damn sight worse
Why does it have to be a Venkys? Why not a Mansour, Abramovitch or ENIC?
Just heard Collins to S'land and Gardner back to Villa. I'd take it if true?
If it is true (14m for Defoe), we should all bow down to Daniel Levy for proving himself a true master of the transfer system once more.
Rumours about Liverpool having a £14m bid for Defoe accepted.
Mental money if true.
If that's true I could see Carroll being at Spurs before the end of the day cos 'arry loyaks 'im innit.
Only if another centre half was coming in.
I've no problems having Craig back.
Only if another centre half was coming in.
I've no problems having Craig back.
as long as Gary is in the team and Craig on the bench
Rumours about Liverpool having a £14m bid for Defoe accepted.
Mental money if true.
Slightly off topic,although I spat my dinner out at the sheer ridiculousness of this comment regarding Mourrinho and the England job.
http://sport.uk.msn.com/football/mourinhos-madrid-exit-could-lead-to-england-job
and scroll down a little bit
'the same tired names keep cropping up to be the next england manager, Redknapp, Pardew, Houghton, none have won sod all worth talking about, i don,t care if the poxy fa give the job to the wop, but what about trying something new, go for a guy who knows where he,s going, Paul Jewel, he,s successful, sensible, clever and english, they woulden,t have clough, this guys the best iv,e seen since brian, lets try him, i think the guys got something special about him'
Paul Jewell.....deary me
And doesn't this guy love a comma?! wow
It just seemed more interesting than hearing that Villa will be signing nobody. I hope I am proved wrong.
Rumours about Liverpool having a £14m bid for Defoe accepted.
Mental money if true.
Errrmm...he is black
Slightly off topic,although I spat my dinner out at the sheer ridiculousness of this comment regarding Mourrinho and the England job.
http://sport.uk.msn.com/football/mourinhos-madrid-exit-could-lead-to-england-job
and scroll down a little bit
'the same tired names keep cropping up to be the next england manager, Redknapp, Pardew, Houghton, none have won sod all worth talking about, i don,t care if the poxy fa give the job to the wop, but what about trying something new, go for a guy who knows where he,s going, Paul Jewel, he,s successful, sensible, clever and english, they woulden,t have clough, this guys the best iv,e seen since brian, lets try him, i think the guys got something special about him'
Paul Jewell.....deary me
And doesn't this guy love a comma?! wow
It just seemed more interesting than hearing that Villa will be signing nobody. I hope I am proved wrong.
I suppose Paul has to keep busy somehow, nothing wrong with a bit of self promotion!
The one thing with Gardner is that he will always give 100%, he will never let us down in terms of effort and commitment. Right now, that's something we need, especially in the middle of the park where we are quite exposed. Will he propel us forward? No. Will be a handy addition to the squad? I think so. He'd provide good protection for the back four allowing Ireland, little Gazza, Keane etc to go forward, and he will chip in with the odd goal too.I too would welcome this. Some midfield bite and suits where we currently are. Can't see it though
If it happens it won't be the end of the world, and he'll be very motivated to be back in the city, and at a club where his brother is starting to make an impact.
Doncaster are trying to sign Habib Beye on a permanent deal from Aston Villa.
Shame they have signed Bridge,i was hoping they might come in for Warnock.
Bridge is a £iteh player isn't he ??Shame they have signed Bridge,i was hoping they might come in for Warnock.
Me too, but poss Everton need his wages off the payroll to fund that new striker from Rangers and we're saddled with Warnock...
1356: BBC Sport's Pat Murphy reports that there will be no transfer business at Aston Villa. Manager Alex McLeish sais: "I never thought we'd be doing major business and that's proved to be the case." Chairman Randy Lerner has talked of financial stability and McLeish says he understands that.
Predictable but still vaguely depressing.
All with PL experience too.
He's almost become a parody of himself.
So, Sunderland:
Wayne Bridge - in.
Kyrgiacos (lanky Greek donkey) - imminent
Kevin Davies - trying to get him.
Really, he doesn't change, does he?
Apparently '4 clubs' want Keith Andrews, I really really hope we are not one of them. It would be a truly dreadful signing.
"We're not going to be bringing people in here this season, especially not this window" - McLeish
"We're not going to be bringing people in here this season, especially not this window" - McLeish
That's a depressing list of has beens and a never was. That excitement from the Sunderland fans might diminish pretty quick.
That's a depressing list of has beens and a never was. That excitement from the Sunderland fans might diminish pretty quick.
nah, they're in the full-on delusional stage at the moment. People forget what it was like on here when he first arrived - even when he signed complete bobbins it was a masterstroke however shit they were/are
So, Sunderland:
Wayne Bridge - in.
Kyrgiacos (lanky Greek donkey) - imminent
Kevin Davies - trying to get him.
Really, he doesn't change, does he?
Bridge is a £iteh player isn't he ??Shame they have signed Bridge,i was hoping they might come in for Warnock.
Me too, but poss Everton need his wages off the payroll to fund that new striker from Rangers and we're saddled with Warnock...
Rodallega would be excellent, Keane's off in 3 games and Heskey at the end of the season (hopefully) so Rodallega, Bent and Gabby would be 3 good strikers to start next season with. He's out of contract at the end of the season so £4m now should do the trick.
Rodallega would be excellent, Keane's off in 3 games and Heskey at the end of the season (hopefully) so Rodallega, Bent and Gabby would be 3 good strikers to start next season with. He's out of contract at the end of the season so £4m now should do the trick.
I've always rated Rodallega, but we aren't spending a dime me thinks.
Is it worth going for Ravel Morrison ??I'd rather we went for Van!
Is it worth going for Ravel Morrison ??I'd rather we went for Van!
Is it worth going for Ravel Morrison ??I'd rather we went for Van!
Really? This guy is meant to be the next big thing. Whilst I doubt he'd stay around long it would be a good chance to buy cheap and sell at a huge profit in two or three years time.
There's a transfer special on BBC News channel at 6.30pm if anyone's interested. I'm not sure what they're going to talk about for half an hour though. Maybe they'll attempt to answer the perplexing question of 'Why the fuck do Spuds want Saha?' Does he come with a dog called Rosie48? ;)
Is it worth going for Ravel Morrison ??I'd rather we went for Van!
Really? This guy is meant to be the next big thing. Whilst I doubt he'd stay around long it would be a good chance to buy cheap and sell at a huge profit in two or three years time.
Seems to be a cnut of the highest order,maybe getting out of Manchester may help,moving to London might not.
One good thing about us being quiet this window is that i wont be tempted to sit through SSN for any late deals,and sit through their presenting creaming themselves over a late loan deal that 'arry or some other tube does.
Bobby Zamora - 90k a week. Christ alive thats just total insanity.
Paul McShane is staying at Crystal Palace for the rest of the season. At least he won't be coming to the holiday camp that is Aston Villa. Hi De Hi.
Hearing that Heskey to Sunderland is a done deal
Hearing that Heskey to Sunderland is a done deal 🙏
Sordell would be interesting. He's only 20 and from what I gather fairly well thought of.
If he replaces Hesk, so much the better!
you've got the wrong end of the stick mate. I am Villa moved up North 4 years ago. Just heard a rumour that we might get rid of the big lump. Like I said could be BSHearing that Heskey to Sunderland is a done deal 🙏
Charles N'Zeddy just spotted on the Wearmouth Bridge smoking jazz cigarettes.
About to complete his long awaited move to the Mighty Blackcats? (or 'Martin O'Neill's Sunderland,' as you guys have now been re-christened ;) )
Ok chap apologies.No offence taken pal. Only a few more hours until we can't sign Carlton Palmer!
I've had my prayer mat and Rosary beads out since I first heard the rumour a few hours ago too.
Not sure why but I reckon Sordell will end up at Norwich.
Not sure why but I reckon Sordell will end up at Norwich.
Gone to Bolton.
Not sure why but I reckon Sordell will end up at Norwich.
Gone to Bolton.
£3 million
Not sure why but I reckon Sordell will end up at Norwich.
Gone to Bolton.
I thought everton were skint. how can they afford 5.5m for a striker on a 4.5 yr deal?
I thought everton were skint. how can they afford 5.5m for a striker on a 4.5 yr deal?
They've just sold one for £6 million.
But i thought they had loads of debt to service. the new deal will be a big outlay in wages as well - i would estimate at least another 5m
I didn't expect anything this window, but we genuinely need a massive overhaul in the summer. Beye, Heskey, Cuellar, Warnock, Dunne, Petrov all leaving(I'd like Hutton to go but can't see it). We need two centre halves, at least one full back, a creative player and a centre mid at the very least.
Which says it all.I didn't expect anything this window, but we genuinely need a massive overhaul in the summer. Beye, Heskey, Cuellar, Warnock, Dunne, Petrov all leaving(I'd like Hutton to go but can't see it). We need two centre halves, at least one full back, a creative player and a centre mid at the very least.
Dunne is our best defender.
I'm noting with interest the length of deals some of these players are getting.
Saha gone to Spurs and given 18 month contract, Ridgwell gone to WBA and interestingly only been given a 2 and a half year deal.
We sign Heskey aged 31 and give him a THREE and a half year deal. Plus the infamous 3 year deal Beye was somehow given.
No wonder we're in a mess financially when you look at the contracts other player are getting.
I'm noting with interest the length of deals some of these players are getting.
Saha gone to Spurs and given 18 month contract, Ridgwell gone to WBA and interestingly only been given a 2 and a half year deal.
We sign Heskey aged 31 and give him a THREE and a half year deal. Plus the infamous 3 year deal Beye was somehow given.
No wonder we're in a mess financially when you look at the contracts other player are getting.
I'm noting with interest the length of deals some of these players are getting.
Saha gone to Spurs and given 18 month contract, Ridgwell gone to WBA and interestingly only been given a 2 and a half year deal.
We sign Heskey aged 31 and give him a THREE and a half year deal. Plus the infamous 3 year deal Beye was somehow given.
No wonder we're in a mess financially when you look at the contracts other player are getting.
And yet some fans say we don't give long enough contracts. And with the ridgewell, baggies obviously think they will be down by then and will need to offload asap
Yes, no player over 30-31 should get more than 2 years unless Messi fancies playing here when he's 32.
Actually Given got a 5 year deal but I would make a special case with keepers as they do have longevity.
From BBC website;
Here's Swansea boss Brendan Rodgers on his new signing from Wrexham, 22-year-old right-back Curtis Obeng: "Technically he can deal with the ball, he's calm in possession and passes it well. He has great, great pace. And no doubt mentally he is hungry and I like hungry players that have a point to prove and want to get better."
Take note Mr Lerner, if you were in any doubt, this is the type of manager we want, and the type of player he is describing, is what we should be signing in every transfer window.
I agree, he'd be great to bring the kids through into an environment of good football too. Which is essential.
I like McLeish but he doesn't play the kind of football I like. And neither did MON for that matter. The odd game aside, I havent really truly gushed about how we play since the days of Ron Atkinson and Brian Little. I'd love to consistently watch attractive and effective football again. But who wouldn't?
Well they did try for Martinez I thought. Maybe not hard enough.From BBC website;
Here's Swansea boss Brendan Rodgers on his new signing from Wrexham, 22-year-old right-back Curtis Obeng: "Technically he can deal with the ball, he's calm in possession and passes it well. He has great, great pace. And no doubt mentally he is hungry and I like hungry players that have a point to prove and want to get better."
Take note Mr Lerner, if you were in any doubt, this is the type of manager we want, and the type of player he is describing, is what we should be signing in every transfer window.
You're not wrong. His teams play great football too.
He was schooled under Mourinho, so he should have seen how thorough you need to be in order to really excel.
Ridgewell to Albion. How many other players have played for Villa, Blues and the Baggies?
Ridgewell to Albion. How many other players have played for Villa, Blues and the Baggies?
Kevin Phillips is the last one I remember.
Good Lord.
Ryan Nelsen and Louis Saha.
Is the court case getting to Arry?
PF takes a big chunk of the blame for me for negotiating with the agents, which is his job is it not? Lerner for trusting Faulkner so much, and O'Neill for wanting Heskey in the first place.I'm noting with interest the length of deals some of these players are getting.
Saha gone to Spurs and given 18 month contract, Ridgwell gone to WBA and interestingly only been given a 2 and a half year deal.
We sign Heskey aged 31 and give him a THREE and a half year deal. Plus the infamous 3 year deal Beye was somehow given.
No wonder we're in a mess financially when you look at the contracts other player are getting.
Saha has got a deal till the end of the season.
However, you're bang on about Heskey.
Two people need shooting for that. Firstly, MON, for being so fucking lazy and myopic in the transfer market. Secondly, Lerner, for not thinking "hang on, so we'll be paying this big fucking plank 65k a week till he's 35 years old?"
After a predictable non event of a transfer window, I've been wondering this morning where we would be now if Houllier had stayed. Was the plan then really to fund an overhaul of the team as it seemed to be? Or was all the talk of new continental signings just idle speculation? In other words did Houllier leaving mark a further lowering of expectations from Lerner or was he really here to do the same shitty hatchet job AM is doing?
I'm sure once we clear some deadwood we will buy players in the summer ..and thi stime hopefully give out more realstic wages and contract lengths
After a predictable non event of a transfer window, I've been wondering this morning where we would be now if Houllier had stayed. Was the plan then really to fund an overhaul of the team as it seemed to be? Or was all the talk of new continental signings just idle speculation? In other words did Houllier leaving mark a further lowering of expectations from Lerner or was he really here to do the same shitty hatchet job AM is doing?
The problem is that's a false choice because if we try and stay still we will go backwards, and on the form of this and last season we are not far off being in real danger. If that really is the plan and we don't replace some of the higher earners with decent, Nzogbia-level singings then Bent, our last big player, will go. We will end up in a self perpetuating spiral of losing players, dropping places, finding it harder to recruit, having to pay more to get out of it. That is why I have to believe Randy, even if he is entirely self interested, won't run us into the ground like that.
The problem is that's a false choice because if we try and stay still we will go backwards, and on the form of this and last season we are not far off being in real danger. If that really is the plan and we don't replace some of the higher earners with decent, Nzogbia-level singings then Bent, our last big player, will go. We will end up in a self perpetuating spiral of losing players, dropping places, finding it harder to recruit, having to pay more to get out of it. That is why I have to believe Randy, even if he is entirely self interested, won't run us into the ground like that.
Rodallega would be excellent, Keane's off in 3 games and Heskey at the end of the season (hopefully) so Rodallega, Bent and Gabby would be 3 good strikers to start next season with. He's out of contract at the end of the season so £4m now should do the trick.I like Rodallega, he's a decent player. But, his goal scoring record isn't that good, is it? Ok, I admit, he is playing in a poor side, who don't create too many chances. I think once Keane has gone we'll probably see more of Ireland in an advanced middle position, and I'm hoping Gabby and N'Zogbia will be in good form.
Randy has definitly taken advise from Doug as I remember doug coming on talksport on the breakfast show sining Alex Mcleish's praise and still believed Villa would be a force in the coming years and priased our youngster like they were the best thing since slice bread. Now, im not saying our youngsters / young men are crap but to believe that they are world beaters is a bit naive
Randy has definitly taken advise from Doug as I remember doug coming on talksport on the breakfast show sining Alex Mcleish's praise and still believed Villa would be a force in the coming years and priased our youngster like they were the best thing since slice bread. Now, im not saying our youngsters / young men are crap but to believe that they are world beaters is a bit naive
One thing Doug is not is naive..
Very worrying if that's the case. Ellis still goes on about that team he "bred", like its still possible to do now. If it was, ManU, Liverpool, chelsea etc... would all be doing it. Only have to look at clubs like West ham to see where a constant supply of talented youngsters gets you nowadays - relegated with their youngsters playing for the top clubs
Very worrying if that's the case. Ellis still goes on about that team he "bred", like its still possible to do now. If it was, ManU, Liverpool, chelsea etc... would all be doing it. Only have to look at clubs like West ham to see where a constant supply of talented youngsters gets you nowadays - relegated with their youngsters playing for the top clubs
Why not use the example of the Man Utd sides of the early mid 90s onwards? The team that swept all before them was mostly brought through their own ranks. I dont recall too many relegations with Arsenal using their academy players either. Plenty of champions league adventures mind you.
Now I'm not saying a club should rely solely on its academy but it should be the cornerstone to a successful dynasty and its the only way, short of rule changes and mega-rich backing, that Villa will ever be successful again. If we cant produce our own top players we certainly aren't going to go out and buy them from under the noses of Chelsea, Man City et al are we?
Forget Rodallega. James McCarthy is the player to get from Wigan.
McLeish is promising new signings in the summer.
Greg's right. The Man U team of 15 years ago attracted the best kids because Ferguson went round personally signing the likes of Scoles and Beckham. We have some decent kids, but nobody that special (with the possible exception of Gardner jnr) but we've had loads of kids who have promised much as kids but not fully delivered on that promise, eg the Moores, Delfouneso, Davis, Ridgewell etc. Mostly the few youngsters who have broken through are decent mid table quality, but that's it, and I can't honestly see the likes of Albrighton, Clark or Bannan improving on that.
The only top quality players we've had come through the youth team in the last 15 years or so have been Barry, Gabby and Cahill.
Forget Rodallega. James McCarthy is the player to get from Wigan.
McLeish is promising new signings in the summer.
McLeish is promising new signings in the summer.
Where ??
I do wonder about these takeover rumours.
I dont see what will be so different in the summer that we can spend money again, especially as we could really have done with one or two defenders this season. O.K some players will be off/out of contract and their salary will be available to new players but there just seems more to it than that.
And when he was asked about signings he said "it's not for me to say". Which I found quite odd.
Maybe clucthing at straws but there you go.
We're being linked with a few SPL players at the minute....no doubt with Rangers in trouble Steven Davis will come back on the radar I hope not. We've also been linked with Lee Wallace who's a left back for them.
At Celtic links have been floated with Emilo Izzaguirre, Ki, Bayram Kayal...could any of them step into the prem?