January Transfer Speculation (or lack of) Thread

[Concrete John]

John M'Zog, please read your own sig and take your own advice.

If that's in relation to my responses to Greg, then I actually don't think of him as an idiot.  Instead, he tried to make an anti-Randy/board point out of the wages issue being a smokescreen as otherwise we'd get rid of Beye for whatever we could to save as much wages as possible.  Then, when someone pointed out that Beye is already out on loan, he didn't want to admit he was wrong, so instead is trying the tack that we sent him to the wrong club as it's a shop window for unwanted players.

[Clampy]

not really. have you heard whats going on there? For the uniformed its basically where clubs send players they're desperate to get rid of*


*those with an actual value usually.

Earlier on you said we didn't want to get rid of Beye because he's an excuse not to spend money. Now you're saying the club we loaned him to is somewhere to send players you want to get rid of. Logic doesn't really figure highly Chez Nash does it?

Doncaster don't want him, they don't want any of the players they sign. Its just their system. He's not worth anything, putting a worthless player in a shop window is pointless.  Just some and mirrors again.

Oh dear, that holes getting bigger Greg. Put the shovel down before you make yourself even more of a berk than you are at the moment.

[Greg N'Ash]

look beye is not gonna play. full stop. every defender in the club from youth upwards would have to crocked for him to get a game. Its as ridiculous as keeping Salifou for the remainder of his contract. Totally utterly pointless

So let's be clear then. You're saying that we should pay the full cost of Beye's contract now, rather than sending him off on loan and paying less of Beye's salary?

this is doncaster we're talking about here. they get the players in the hope the loaning clubs recieve bids due to their performances. I very much doubt we're making anything on it.

[Chris Smith]

Greg, it's a long time since you went off on one of these ridiculous flights of fancy, it's making me feel quite nostalgic.

[Greg N'Ash]

not really. have you heard whats going on there? For the uniformed its basically where clubs send players they're desperate to get rid of*


*those with an actual value usually.

Earlier on you said we didn't want to get rid of Beye because he's an excuse not to spend money. Now you're saying the club we loaned him to is somewhere to send players you want to get rid of. Logic doesn't really figure highly Chez Nash does it?

Doncaster don't want him, they don't want any of the players they sign. Its just their system. He's not worth anything, putting a worthless player in a shop window is pointless.  Just some and mirrors again.

Oh dear, that holes getting bigger Greg. Put the shovel down before you make yourself even more of a berk than you are at the moment.

please tell me how much you think Doncaster are paying towards Beye's wages then?

[Concrete John]

please tell me how much you think Doncaster are paying towards Beye's wages then?

More than us paying up his contract, which you suggested.

[SheffieldVillain]

look beye is not gonna play. full stop. every defender in the club from youth upwards would have to crocked for him to get a game. Its as ridiculous as keeping Salifou for the remainder of his contract. Totally utterly pointless

So let's be clear then. You're saying that we should pay the full cost of Beye's contract now, rather than sending him off on loan and paying less of Beye's salary?

this is doncaster we're talking about here. they get the players in the hope the loaning clubs recieve bids due to their performances. I very much doubt we're making anything on it.

Well, you'd be wrong again then. This is from the Daily Mail with Wille MacKay describing the system.

Donny will pay a maximum of £2,000 a week towards a player’s existing salary, relying on the parent club to pay the difference in their contract during their loan.

McKay said: ‘Take Herita Ilunga as an example. He’s on £26,000 a week at West Ham, not getting a game and they can’t get him a move. I called the joint-chairman David Sullivan and offered £1,000 a week to take Ilunga on loan. David laughed and said, “Make me a sensible offer”, so I said, “OK, £500”.

‘Anyway, eventually we agree the deal on £2,000 a week and West Ham make up the rest of his wages. We take him at Doncaster, who are no threat to West Ham, and give him a shop window to perform by playing every week.

‘If he plays well and I get him a move, say to Turkey for £5m, then I’ll reach an agreement with David Sullivan about the fee West Ham will receive, plus my commission, less his full £26,000-a-week salary for the period he was at Doncaster.’

[taylorsworkrate]

Isn't it something like 10% of Beye's wages?

Seem to remember that figure being thrown about at the time.

[SheffieldVillain]

please tell me how much you think Doncaster are paying towards Beye's wages then?

Between £1k-£2k according to the quotes I've just given you. Which is higher than £0.

So now you've gone from Doncaster definitely not paying anything to intimating that they're not paying enough?

[Greg N'Ash]

look beye is not gonna play. full stop. every defender in the club from youth upwards would have to crocked for him to get a game. Its as ridiculous as keeping Salifou for the remainder of his contract. Totally utterly pointless

So let's be clear then. You're saying that we should pay the full cost of Beye's contract now, rather than sending him off on loan and paying less of Beye's salary?

this is doncaster we're talking about here. they get the players in the hope the loaning clubs recieve bids due to their performances. I very much doubt we're making anything on it.

Well, you'd be wrong again then. This is from the Daily Mail with Wille MacKay describing the system.

Donny will pay a maximum of £2,000 a week towards a player’s existing salary, relying on the parent club to pay the difference in their contract during their loan.

McKay said: ‘Take Herita Ilunga as an example. He’s on £26,000 a week at West Ham, not getting a game and they can’t get him a move. I called the joint-chairman David Sullivan and offered £1,000 a week to take Ilunga on loan. David laughed and said, “Make me a sensible offer”, so I said, “OK, £500”.

‘Anyway, eventually we agree the deal on £2,000 a week and West Ham make up the rest of his wages. We take him at Doncaster, who are no threat to West Ham, and give him a shop window to perform by playing every week.

‘If he plays well and I get him a move, say to Turkey for £5m, then I’ll reach an agreement with David Sullivan about the fee West Ham will receive, plus my commission, less his full £26,000-a-week salary for the period he was at Doncaster.’

larf! and how much is the commission on a worthless player? lets see 25% of 0 is er....

[Toronto Villa]

Greg, it's a long time since you went off on one of these ridiculous flights of fancy, it's making me feel quite nostalgic.

once the medicine bottle fails to deliver his morning pill real Greg returns with the sort of nonsense we've come to expect. It does set you back doesn't it? Brings a tear to my glass eye. I'm enjoying being transported back to thoughts of Martin the Oppressor and strawberry fields.

[SheffieldVillain]

What possible financial relevance does that have to Villa? They are still paying some of his wages prior to his contract expiring.

[Greg N'Ash]

please tell me how much you think Doncaster are paying towards Beye's wages then?

Between £1k-£2k according to the quotes I've just given you. Which is higher than £0.

So now you've gone from Doncaster definitely not paying anything to intimating that they're not paying enough?

1-2k is the figure i heard. compared to loaning him out to a proper club at his level its nothing. 4-8k a month on a 40-50k a week contract. pay him off.

[Concrete John]

What possible financial relevance does that have to Villa? They are still paying some of his wages prior to his contract expiring.

Yes, but Greg doesn't want that now.  Please do try to keep up!

[Dave]

please tell me how much you think Doncaster are paying towards Beye's wages then?

Between £1k-£2k according to the quotes I've just given you. Which is higher than £0.

So now you've gone from Doncaster definitely not paying anything to intimating that they're not paying enough?

1-2k is the figure i heard. compared to loaning him out to a proper club at his level its nothing. 4-8k a month on a 40-50k a week contract. pay him off.

So you've now from wanting us to do what we can to save money on Beye's contract to actively wanting it to cost us more?

Impressive piece of lunacy there Greg.