January Transfer Speculation (or lack of) Thread

[dave.woodhall]

look dave, you've got a player who's not worth a sausage and who isn't going to play. What other reason is there for keeping him? Just pay up his contract and let him leave. It won't cost us a penny more than having him in the reserves till May.

Because - and I know this might be hard to understand - there might come a time when he's needed.

[Greg N'Ash]

That’s different from what he said the other day, which was essentially “if I’m to bring one in, then the wage bill must be balanced”.

the wage bill thing is just a red herring. its all about lerner making a profit on the good signings to pay for the losses of the rubbish signings. If you were trying to just lower the wage bill you'd obviously just get rid of the shite even if it was at a major loss. We've still got shite while the good players have been flogged.

Well, surely that’s because it’s very easy to sell an Ashley Young, but very difficult to find somebody to buy players like Beye or Heskey, who are over 30 and on over 50,000 per week?

you'd just pay 'em off in that case. What is the point of us having beye in the squad? he's never going to play. We could have sold him to a championship club and offered to pay half his wages for the season. Still would have cost us less than currently

In order to do that you'd still have to find a Championship club willing to pay him £20k a week.  It's nowhere nearly as easy as you make out to get players out of a club who want to stay.

look if we went to a club and said  "you can have beye, we'll pay 70% of his wages till may. and then its upto you and the player if you sign him. Beye gets his money, we save a third on his wages. makes more sense then him rotting in the reserves on full whack

[Greg N'Ash]

look dave, you've got a player who's not worth a sausage and who isn't going to play. What other reason is there for keeping him? Just pay up his contract and let him leave. It won't cost us a penny more than having him in the reserves till May.

Because - and I know this might be hard to understand - there might come a time when he's needed.

larf! expecting some munich type plane disaster are we?

[dave.woodhall]

look if we went to a club and said  "you can have beye, we'll pay 70% of his wages till may. and then its upto you and the player if you sign him. Beye gets his money, we save a third on his wages. makes more sense then him rotting in the reserves on full whack

What a brilliant idea. I can't think why we haven't done that already. Or maybe - and it's a wild stab in the dark but it just might be true - we've already made the offer and nobody wants him.

[Clampy]

That’s different from what he said the other day, which was essentially “if I’m to bring one in, then the wage bill must be balanced”.

the wage bill thing is just a red herring. its all about lerner making a profit on the good signings to pay for the losses of the rubbish signings. If you were trying to just lower the wage bill you'd obviously just get rid of the shite even if it was at a major loss. We've still got shite while the good players have been flogged.

Well, surely that’s because it’s very easy to sell an Ashley Young, but very difficult to find somebody to buy players like Beye or Heskey, who are over 30 and on over 50,000 per week?

you'd just pay 'em off in that case. What is the point of us having beye in the squad? he's never going to play. We could have sold him to a championship club and offered to pay half his wages for the season. Still would have cost us less than currently

In order to do that you'd still have to find a Championship club willing to pay him £20k a week.  It's nowhere nearly as easy as you make out to get players out of a club who want to stay.

look if we went to a club and said  "you can have beye, we'll pay 70% of his wages till may. and then its upto you and the player if you sign him. Beye gets his money, we save a third on his wages. makes more sense then him rotting in the reserves on full whack

He's at Doncaster on loan at the moment, so it's not as if we're not trying to shift him.

[Chris Smith]

Are we talking about the Habib Beye who went on loan to Doncaster?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15823870.stm

[glasses]

you'd just pay 'em off in that case. What is the point of us having beye in the squad? he's never going to play. We could have sold him to a championship club and offered to pay half his wages for the season. Still would have cost us less than currently

Do you really not think we've tried to do that?

Not really. I think the wage bill is a smokescreen and it suits the club to point out the likes of beye as a reason why they can't spend

Yes, of course. They're happy to keep Beye on the wagebill just so they don't have to spend his wages on someone else. Presumably on orders from the President Emeritus's office

look dave, you've got a player who's not worth a sausage and who isn't going to play. What other reason is there for keeping him? Just pay up his contract and let him leave. It won't cost us a penny more than having him in the reserves till May.

So you are saying that you would pay him his wages until the end of his contract, and send him off as a free agent to sign for someone else immediately, rather than keep the player as an employee of the club until his contract reaches its end, use him as back up in emergency situuations, or send him on loan to a championship club with a recall option (unknown I guess).

[Greg N'Ash]

look if we went to a club and said  "you can have beye, we'll pay 70% of his wages till may. and then its upto you and the player if you sign him. Beye gets his money, we save a third on his wages. makes more sense then him rotting in the reserves on full whack

What a brilliant idea. I can't think why we haven't done that already. Or maybe - and it's a wild stab in the dark but it just might be true - we've already made the offer and nobody wants him.

well i doubt whether we've offered those terms but if we have and there's no taker, pay him off. He's never going to play unless our entire squad and the youth are somehow incapacitated

[Dave]

That’s different from what he said the other day, which was essentially “if I’m to bring one in, then the wage bill must be balanced”.

the wage bill thing is just a red herring. its all about lerner making a profit on the good signings to pay for the losses of the rubbish signings. If you were trying to just lower the wage bill you'd obviously just get rid of the shite even if it was at a major loss. We've still got shite while the good players have been flogged.

Well, surely that’s because it’s very easy to sell an Ashley Young, but very difficult to find somebody to buy players like Beye or Heskey, who are over 30 and on over 50,000 per week?

you'd just pay 'em off in that case. What is the point of us having beye in the squad? he's never going to play. We could have sold him to a championship club and offered to pay half his wages for the season. Still would have cost us less than currently

In order to do that you'd still have to find a Championship club willing to pay him £20k a week.  It's nowhere nearly as easy as you make out to get players out of a club who want to stay.

look if we went to a club and said  "you can have beye, we'll pay 70% of his wages till may. and then its upto you and the player if you sign him. Beye gets his money, we save a third on his wages. makes more sense then him rotting in the reserves on full whack

Oh, so exactly what we have done then?

[Greg N'Ash]

you'd just pay 'em off in that case. What is the point of us having beye in the squad? he's never going to play. We could have sold him to a championship club and offered to pay half his wages for the season. Still would have cost us less than currently

Do you really not think we've tried to do that?

Not really. I think the wage bill is a smokescreen and it suits the club to point out the likes of beye as a reason why they can't spend

Yes, of course. They're happy to keep Beye on the wagebill just so they don't have to spend his wages on someone else. Presumably on orders from the President Emeritus's office

look dave, you've got a player who's not worth a sausage and who isn't going to play. What other reason is there for keeping him? Just pay up his contract and let him leave. It won't cost us a penny more than having him in the reserves till May.

So you are saying that you would pay him his wages until the end of his contract, and send him off as a free agent to sign for someone else immediately, rather than keep the player as an employee of the club until his contract reaches its end, use him as back up in emergency situuations, or send him on loan to a championship club with a recall option (unknown I guess).

yes indeedy

[dave.woodhall]

look if we went to a club and said  "you can have beye, we'll pay 70% of his wages till may. and then its upto you and the player if you sign him. Beye gets his money, we save a third on his wages. makes more sense then him rotting in the reserves on full whack

What a brilliant idea. I can't think why we haven't done that already. Or maybe - and it's a wild stab in the dark but it just might be true - we've already made the offer and nobody wants him.

well i doubt whether we've offered those terms but if we have and there's no taker, pay him off. He's never going to play unless our entire squad and the youth are somehow incapacitated

See above.

[Concrete John]

look if we went to a club and said  "you can have beye, we'll pay 70% of his wages till may. and then its upto you and the player if you sign him. Beye gets his money, we save a third on his wages. makes more sense then him rotting in the reserves on full whack

Like when we tried to send him to Ipswich last season and he refused?  Or like the present deal with Doncaster, as Clamp mentions?

Next.

[Greg N'Ash]

oh please, everyone knows the situation with doncaster. Its just a shop window for players down on their luck, which means some fruitcase at villa still thinks we can get some sort of fee for him

[Concrete John]

oh please, everyone knows the situation with doncaster. Its just a shop window for players down on their luck, which means some fruitcase at villa still thinks we can get some sort of fee for him

*FACEPALM*

[Clampy]

A typical Greg response when he's been found out.

Larf!