January Transfer Speculation (or lack of) Thread

[Fernando Partridge]

Fellow villains does any one know how many loan signings we can make?
And do we have 1 or 2 players on loan- Jenas loan cancelled due to injury or we continue to pay so listed as loan?
Answers below pls

[Mazrim]

So when would you look to move him on then, Maz?

If he's not doing enough to force his way into the side for the run he needs, then do you drop a better (at the moment at least) player to give him a go or keep giving him new contracts until he does get the chance?

When he's had a chance and failed which I would argue is yet to happen. But if we're never going to give him that chance then it may as well be asap.
But then I would say give him the chance. Not instead of Gabby or Bent but instead of Heskey. Which will probably be when Keane has gone back now.

[paul_e]

So when would you look to move him on then, Maz?

If he's not doing enough to force his way into the side for the run he needs, then do you drop a better (at the moment at least) player to give him a go or keep giving him new contracts until he does get the chance?

When he's had a chance and failed which I would argue is yet to happen. But if we're never going to give him that chance then it may as well be asap.
But then I would say give him the chance. Not instead of Gabby or Bent but instead of Heskey. Which will probably be when Keane has gone back now.

I think the important thing is a chance to make it doesn't mean 7-8 starts in a row, it means coming off the bench with 30minutes to go regularly rather than in the last 10 minutes for 1 game in 4/5.  At the moment the pressure is all that if he doesn't do something exceptional in that cameo he has more people saying he's never going to make it.

[villadelph]

8mil for Aly Cissokho?! Yes, please.

[Mazrim]

8mil for Aly Cissokho?! Yes, please.

Eh?

[old man villa fan]

So when would you look to move him on then, Maz?

If he's not doing enough to force his way into the side for the run he needs, then do you drop a better (at the moment at least) player to give him a go or keep giving him new contracts until he does get the chance?

When he's had a chance and failed which I would argue is yet to happen. But if we're never going to give him that chance then it may as well be asap.
But then I would say give him the chance. Not instead of Gabby or Bent but instead of Heskey. Which will probably be when Keane has gone back now.

I think the important thing is a chance to make it doesn't mean 7-8 starts in a row, it means coming off the bench with 30minutes to go regularly rather than in the last 10 minutes for 1 game in 4/5.  At the moment the pressure is all that if he doesn't do something exceptional in that cameo he has more people saying he's never going to make it.

Your point about being introduced as substitute more frequently and for longer periods is the key to seeing whether he can make it at this level with Villa.  I believe he can.

McLeish is very much like O'Neill in that he uses substitutes only when necessary and very rarely to change tactics/formation.  So with Delfouneso not being the same type of player as either Bent or Agbonlahor, McLeish sees it difficult to take one off and bring on Delfouneso as it means he has to change is tactics for Nathan to play his natural game or the player has to play a role that is not his natural game.  That is one of my main gripes with McLeish in that he is too rigid and negative.  The cup match against Bristol Rovers was an ideal match to give Delfouneso some more match experience but no, he goes back to tried and tested (and crap) Heskey.

[ozzjim]

Quite why Aly Cissoko has appeared on our transfer thread is beyond me, but there is more chance of signing Ridgewell.

[taylorsworkrate]

8mil for Aly Cissokho?! Yes, please.

I think we can put the bullshit / bollocks part of the the thread title back now.

[PaulTheVillan]

Guys, you're forgetting that Keane is only with us for 6 games so there still is a chance for the Fonz to get a look in after he has gone.

I really doubt Fonz would have been that involved in those 6 games anyway

[JUAN PABLO]

So when would you look to move him on then, Maz?

If he's not doing enough to force his way into the side for the run he needs, then do you drop a better (at the moment at least) player to give him a go or keep giving him new contracts until he does get the chance?

When he's had a chance and failed which I would argue is yet to happen. But if we're never going to give him that chance then it may as well be asap.
But then I would say give him the chance. Not instead of Gabby or Bent but instead of Heskey. Which will probably be when Keane has gone back now.

I think the important thing is a chance to make it doesn't mean 7-8 starts in a row, it means coming off the bench with 30minutes to go regularly rather than in the last 10 minutes for 1 game in 4/5.  At the moment the pressure is all that if he doesn't do something exceptional in that cameo he has more people saying he's never going to make it.

  That is one of my main gripes with McLeish in that he is too rigid and negative.  The cup match against Bristol Rovers was an ideal match to give Delfouneso some more match experience but no, he goes back to tried and tested (and crap) Heskey.

spot on , what was the point of bringing injury prone Heskey on a pitch like that when you are 3-0 up , now the tumbler is out injured for a month , good for us but AMC will be gutted .

[Concrete John]

So when would you look to move him on then, Maz?

If he's not doing enough to force his way into the side for the run he needs, then do you drop a better (at the moment at least) player to give him a go or keep giving him new contracts until he does get the chance?

When he's had a chance and failed which I would argue is yet to happen. But if we're never going to give him that chance then it may as well be asap.
But then I would say give him the chance. Not instead of Gabby or Bent but instead of Heskey. Which will probably be when Keane has gone back now.

I think the important thing is a chance to make it doesn't mean 7-8 starts in a row, it means coming off the bench with 30minutes to go regularly rather than in the last 10 minutes for 1 game in 4/5.  At the moment the pressure is all that if he doesn't do something exceptional in that cameo he has more people saying he's never going to make it.

Your point about being introduced as substitute more frequently and for longer periods is the key to seeing whether he can make it at this level with Villa.  I believe he can.

McLeish is very much like O'Neill in that he uses substitutes only when necessary and very rarely to change tactics/formation.  So with Delfouneso not being the same type of player as either Bent or Agbonlahor, McLeish sees it difficult to take one off and bring on Delfouneso as it means he has to change is tactics for Nathan to play his natural game or the player has to play a role that is not his natural game.  That is one of my main gripes with McLeish in that he is too rigid and negative.  The cup match against Bristol Rovers was an ideal match to give Delfouneso some more match experience but no, he goes back to tried and tested (and crap) Heskey.

I think that in order to get a run what the Fonz needs is to do more in the cameo's he has.  Not necessarily score everytime, but do something to give the manager a decision to make for the next game.  What then happens is he gets gradually brought into things more, even if it might take an injury to get him a small run of starts, until he's the first team regular the next generation are then trying to dislodge him. 

Unfortunately, that's what hasn't happened (although I agree in games like Bristol he should be used ahead of Heskey) so he's sort of in limbo right now.

As I've said before, I think the best thing for the player himself is to move on to kickstart his career. 

[Vanilla]

Fellow villains does any one know how many loan signings we can make?
And do we have 1 or 2 players on loan- Jenas loan cancelled due to injury or we continue to pay so listed as loan?
Answers below pls

As Jenas is signed for the whole season, as nobody put an injury clause in the agreement with Spurs, we are allowed one more for this season.

[toplad4u]

8mil for Aly Cissokho?! Yes, please.

I'm sure if Houllier was in charge we would of signed him in the summer..... rumours a deal was struck also for Ba and Cabaye

[Rick_avfc]

8mil for Aly Cissokho?! Yes, please.

I'm sure if Houllier was in charge we would of signed him in the summer..... rumours a deal was struck also for Ba and Cabaye

Please dont say things like this as it gets me depressed thinking that we could have had Ba and Cabaye but ended up with Hutton and Jenas :-(

[Chris Smith]

8mil for Aly Cissokho?! Yes, please.

I'm sure if Houllier was in charge we would of signed him in the summer..... rumours a deal was struck also for Ba and Cabaye

Other than the having any money and needing to balance the wage bill I can't think of any reason why that wouldn't have happened.