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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Somniloquism on November 17, 2025, 09:07:09 AM
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Less then seven weeks before this opens so might as well start a new one and have Londonvilla traipsing the rumour depths of the internet and boost tuscans post count. Also the first transfer window without Monchi/ with Olabe so will we be changing tactics and buying players who can fit straight in more. Do we still have to be cash-positive in the market for Europe this window? Will we remember we can only make three changes in the Euro squad this window (two if you include Barkley going back in on a permanent basis for the second half of the window).
Key areas to strengthen is central defence, the ever present right back and a forward if Ollie doesn't improve.
Anyway
Real Madrid are considering offers in the region of 20m euros (£17.69m) - from Sunderland, Aston Villa and Wolves for 21-year-old Spanish forward Gonzalo Garcia. (Fichajes)
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Real Madrid are considering offers in the region of 20m euros (£17.69m) - from Sunderland, Aston Villa and Wolves for 21-year-old Spanish forward Gonzalo Garcia. (Fichajes)
Looked him up on Wikipedia. Is he not a bit old?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonsalo_Garcia
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Less then seven weeks before this opens so might as well start a new one and have Londonvilla traipsing the rumour depths of the internet and boost tuscans post count. Also the first transfer window without Monchi/ with Olabe so will we be changing tactics and buying players who can fit straight in more. Do we still have to be cash-positive in the market for Europe this window? Will we remember we can only make three changes in the Euro squad this window (two if you include Barkley going back in on a permanent basis for the second half of the window).
Key areas to strengthen is central defence, the ever present right back and a forward if Ollie doesn't improve.
Anyway
Real Madrid are considering offers in the region of 20m euros (£17.69m) - from Sunderland, Aston Villa and Wolves for 21-year-old Spanish forward Gonzalo Garcia. (Fichajes)
The restriction still applies for this window but so long as we are within the targets at the end of 2025 we will shift to the 'normal' rules for next summer.
As such I can see it being a fairly quiet window and I'm ok with that because I don't see many gaps.
Keeper - Strong
RB - Depends on Garcia fitness
LB - Strong
CB - Depends on Mings fitness
DM - Very Strong
LM - Strong
RM - Guessand and Elliott have work to do
10 - Strong
ST - Watkins form may become an issue
I'm not too worried about either Garcia or Mings so I don't think we need to be looking to add defenders, We do need a long-term replacement for Mings in the summer though, maybe that can be Ozcan coming back though. I'm happy to give Guessand time and if Ellliott is wanted long term then he needs that as well, they're both cover right now anyway so it's not urgent. Which all means that someone to support Watkins and Malen is probably the most likely incoming. Gonzalo Garcia looks quality for that price and he's another one who sort of plays all across the front rather than an out and out centre forward, which I like.
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I think if Elliot goes back to Liverpool there will be activity. Otherwise it’ll be quiet. Maybe one or two youngsters but not much more than that.
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I think if Elliot goes back to Liverpool there will be activity. Otherwise it’ll be quiet. Maybe one or two youngsters but not much more than that.
Unless they plan on using him (and the probably wouldn't have punted him out to us if they did) is there any reason they would want him back?
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I think if Elliot goes back to Liverpool there will be activity. Otherwise it’ll be quiet. Maybe one or two youngsters but not much more than that.
Unless they plan on using him (and the probably wouldn't have punted him out to us if they did) is there any reason they would want him back?
Maybe a hint of protecting his value as additional cover, in as much as he might as well go back if we're not going to consider playing him, but otherwise no.
I will say it's a shit situation for the player to find himself at his age, and it doesn't reflect very well on those that set the deal up.
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Still have two massive holes at right wing and centre forward. Look to the loan market, if we can afford the wages, to fill the gaps and then fill them effectively if/when we can spend in the summer.
We're 100% bang on everywhere else.
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As such I can see it being a fairly quiet window and I'm ok with that because I don't see many gaps.
Agree Paul. If we are spending money, I think it should be with the longer-term aim of reducing the age of the squad. If there is a new Duran out there get him in and give him those 15 minutes run-arounds like we did in January '23.
Or if there is a brilliant young goalkeeper somewhere playing at a decent level, sign him and loan him back with the idea of him and Proctor fighting to be #1 in a few years or to plausibly come in if Emi moves.
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We need more options up front. If we can magic a couple of top quality loans liner did last winter, that would be great.
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Is the form of Watkins not a problem already?
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Yes.
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Players should be tricksy, sexy and full of goals. Ideally they should also be from exciting countries where we haven't had players from before.
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If we sign someone, then they are either good enough for our Europa squad, in which case there will be existing players who have their nose put out of joint when they're dropped from it, or not good enough, which will be pointless.
On the first point, we'll already be in that situation when Mings comes back fit, as someone will need to make way.
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Who are the Europa League versions of Asensio and Rashford, that we might be able to attract?
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Andy Carroll and Tim Cahill.
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Who are the Europa League versions of Asensio and Rashford, that we might be able to attract?
Sancho and Elliott
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Is the form of Watkins not a problem already?
It is, but we're not really in a position to go out and spend the amount of money that it would take to buy someone who would come in and replace him both now and in the long-term.
There's also the possibility that his form might no longer be a problem by January.
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There is also the possibility that it’s even worse.
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Andy Carroll and Tim Cahill.
The former lumbered around the Bath City pitch a couple of weekends back for Dagenham & Redbridge.
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Who are the Europa League versions of Asensio and Rashford, that we might be able to attract?
Sancho and Elliott
Great. They sound good, get them signed.
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There is also the possibility that it’s even worse.
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Not sure that it is actually
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There is also the possibility that it’s even worse.
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Not sure that it is actually 😎
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FTFY.
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There's a lad at Udinese that's doing ok...
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There's a lad at Udinese that's doing ok...
Ah, yes. Get Zaniolo back.
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We obviously need another striker and that has to be the priority, even if a miracle happens and Ollie does start scoring consistently, we still need another.
I'd be happy with just bringing one striker in and I'm sure we will do. And it needs to be someone who can hit the ground running, not a young prospect. Toney would be ideal.
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Hahahahahaha
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If Toney comes back he will be off to some rules don't apply team like Chelsea or Liverpool, not us. If we sign a striker I expect it to be a project, like when we signed Durán.
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I’d go all in on Evanilson. I know we stuffed Bournemouth last week but I thought he was superb.
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Evanilson is a better shout the Toney, especially for Emery.
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I don't think we'll have the financial headroom for a move like that. Theoretically we'd receive about £40m for Watkins and we'd probably another "£20m" to buy a decent replacement.
I cannot see that sort of shuffle happening in January.
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I would like us to sign Mateta. He's already shite at penalties so it seems realistic.
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I don't think we'll have the financial headroom for a move like that. Theoretically we'd receive about £40m for Watkins and we'd probably another "£20m" to buy a decent replacement.
I cannot see that sort of shuffle happening in January.
Agreed. What I'd like to see early next year and certainly before the World Cup is an agreement to sign Gonçalo Ramos from PSG. He's not getting the number of minutes his talent deserves, price wise I reckon PSG would be happy to get their money back (£57m) though there is a question of bonuses (£13m) though I've no idea if they've been reached.
If we're to cash in on Watkins next summer, we really need him to finish the season strong otherwise we can kiss goodbye to the £40m sale. The great thing about Ramos is he's very similar to Watkins but with far superior technical ability and he's only 24. The reason I want the deal done before the World Cup is his value could dramatically increase with hopefully him replacing Ronaldo in the Portugal side.
If we want to attract top players it goes without saying we have to be in the CL next season. A trophy wouldn't do any harm either. Over to you, Unai.
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We're not getting anywhere near £40m for Watkins.
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We're not getting anywhere near £40m for Watkins.
I don't know, there's always West Ham.
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£25m to Everton would be my guess (unless they're not letting Moyes near the signings).
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We're not getting anywhere near £40m for Watkins.
Yeah I really don't know where the £40m figure comes from. Not even the Saudis would pay that. We might get our money back on him but not much more.
I like the idea of Ramos.
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Agreed. What I'd like to see early next year and certainly before the World Cup is an agreement to sign Gonçalo Ramos from PSG. He's not getting the number of minutes his talent deserves, price wise I reckon PSG would be happy to get their money back (£57m) though there is a question of bonuses (£13m) though I've no idea if they've been reached.
If we're to cash in on Watkins next summer, we really need him to finish the season strong otherwise we can kiss goodbye to the £40m sale. The great thing about Ramos is he's very similar to Watkins but with far superior technical ability and he's only 24. The reason I want the deal done before the World Cup is his value could dramatically increase with hopefully him replacing Ronaldo in the Portugal side.
Surprised you've not mentioned him before. Anyone else you're hiding from us? Maybe a Turkish winger or two?
(wink)
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No flies on you, Dave. The reason I mention it (again) is I think there's a realistic chance next summer. Previously I've just been dreaming. ;)
The Turkish lad we were linked to has fallen off the radar. Not sure what happened to his form?
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I can't even remember his name. I always get him mixed up with the one at Juventus.
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I can't even remember his name. I always get him mixed up with the one at Juventus.
Vlahovic?
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I can't even remember his name. I always get him mixed up with the one at Juventus.
Vlahovic?
Definitely not Turkish.
Kenan Yildiz
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I can't even remember his name. I always get him mixed up with the one at Juventus.
Vlahovic?
Definitely not Turkish.
Kenan Yildiz
Was it Kolicsoy?
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That rings a bell
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I’d go all in on Evanilson. I know we stuffed Bournemouth last week but I thought he was superb.
He was good - gave Konsa a hard time especially as Torres/Digne muted Semenyo. Tim Vickery said there is huge snobbishness in Brazil so those playing for 'lesser' PL teams don't get a look in at national level. Problem is he would cost about 70m
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Talking of Semenyo, so lovely of the BBC to reveal to the scum 6 that he has a 65 mil quid release clause that can be activated in January. W*****s!
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Talking of Semenyo, so lovely of the BBC to reveal to the scum 6 that he has a 65 mil quid release clause that can be activated in January. W*****s!
Hardly an exclusive.
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Talking of Semenyo, so lovely of the BBC to reveal to the scum 6 that he has a 65 mil quid release clause that can be activated in January. W*****s!
Hardly an exclusive.
It isn't, but what it does hint at is the propensity of the BBC and other media to see playing for the top 5 + Spurs as the be all and end all, and the sort of thing that excites football fans.
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Not really, anyone that would be interested will have alraedy spoken to his agent and know exactly what the clause is so nothing is really being given away by anyone making it public.
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Talking of Semenyo, so lovely of the BBC to reveal to the scum 6 that he has a 65 mil quid release clause that can be activated in January. W*****s!
Hardly an exclusive.
It isn't, but what it does hint at is the propensity of the BBC and other media to see playing for the top 5 + Spurs as the be all and end all, and the sort of thing that excites football fans.
That in general, is annoying.
But in this case (and without diving into the horrors of Twitter to find out) I bet that the BBC haven't "revealed" anything . Without much actual football for their bbc.co.uk content slaves to write about in an international week, they've just repeated something that someone else revealed somewhere else about three days ago.
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A young centre forward, well scouted, that can actually run, head, score and generally be a useful striker please.
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We're not getting anywhere near £40m for Watkins.
West Ham was the club i was thinking of, but assuming you’re right, there’s even less justification for shifting him this January.
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There's a lad at Udinese that's doing ok...
There's a guy works down the chipshop, swears he's Elvis.
Saw a Kirsty MacColl tribute night in Brighton last Friday. No sign of Keinan nor Nicólo sadly.
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We're not getting anywhere near £40m for Watkins.
I don't know, there's always West Ham.
They spent almost £30m on 31-year-old Fullkrug last season, and gave us £15m for 31-year-old Danny Ings the year before that. I think we could expect a decent chunk from them for a 30-year-old Ollie Watkins (he's 30 next month).
Not that I want Ollie sold (not yet, I still think he'll find some form this season), but I think sometimes people miss what the going rate is for a proven goal scorer in the Premier League. I just don't think he'd be willing to take a step "down" at this stage of his career, and certainly not before a World Cup.
Next summer, who knows?
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I imagine there is about 0% chance that we're selling Watkins in January.
Flip of a coin in the summer depending on what competitions we're playing in next year, who might be interested in him and who we might be interested in as a replacement.
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I imagine there is about 0% change that we're selling Watkins in January.
Flip of a coin in the summer depending on what competitions we're playing in next year, who might be interested in him and who we might be interested in as a replacement.
Yep, and next summer feels like a good time to start considering it given we should have a bit more scope to spend on his replacement than we have for the last couple of summers. For the rest of this season I'd also be working on finding ways to use Malen and Guessand up there because if they can be good options for next season then we can take a bit more time finding the right long-term solution and maybe even opt for someone more like Duran who can grow into the role over a year or 2.
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A young centre forward, well scouted, that can actually run, head, score and generally be a useful striker please.
That Redmond kid we signed from Feyenoord, wasn't he supposedly all of this? How's he getting on at Huddersfield, any good?
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A young centre forward, well scouted, that can actually run, head, score and generally be a useful striker please.
That Redmond kid we signed from Feyenoord, wasn't he supposedly all of this? How's he getting on at Huddersfield, any good?
Out until the new year with a serious knee injury.
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Strikers wise I always liked Youssef En-Nesyri when he was at Sevilla…scoring a few at Fenerbache now
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Beckford's still at it.
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Benni McCarthy ?
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Why not Rory Wilson? we tried hard enough to get him to re-sign. He's 19, so a season with the u21s and on the bench for the occasional game, save ourselves a shed load of cash
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Benni McCarthy ?
I say we play hardball a little longer to get the most favourable terms.
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Do we have a buy-back option on Jhon? I know he drove his colleagues nuts but he was magick and I miss him.
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Benni McCarthy ?
Insteresting. And maybe that Unsworth chap from Everton to bulk up defence. I heard he is dead keen to join. Wants to finish his career here.
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I’d go all in on Evanilson. I know we stuffed Bournemouth last week but I thought he was superb.
Evanilson is what i hoped wesley would have been for us. Definitely a good shout. Obviously semenyo would be all of our preferences but with FFP zero chance that happens sadly.
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I wouldn't expect Evanilsen to come cheap, either.
Good player, mind.
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Inter Milan want Martinez according to football insider (via BBC Gossip). Also Elliot is wanted by various clubs in Europe.
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I’d go all in on Evanilson. I know we stuffed Bournemouth last week but I thought he was superb.
Agreed.
Forest also have a Brazilian striker who I saw playing in a Europa game whom I thought would be a good fit in Emery's system: Igor Jesus. Having just checked his striker-stats, they're not fabulous, and he's only 5'11"...
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Inter Milan want Martinez according to football insider (via BBC Gossip). Also Elliot is wanted by various clubs in Europe.
I expected that would be from Football Insider being as Elliot can't play for anyone but Villa or Liverpool this season, unless he signs for a Nordic club where he won't play a match until end of March.
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Inter Milan want Martinez according to football insider (via BBC Gossip). Also Elliot is wanted by various clubs in Europe.
I am sure i read that Elliot cannot play for anyone else this season - even i Europe due to a 3 club rule?
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Did you read it in the post directly above yours?
(wink)
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You can sometimes get FIFA to agree to ignore that rule, I think.
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I reckon Infantino would let it slide for a fiver.
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I reckon Infantino would let it slide for a fiver.
Organisations like FIFA are incorruptible.
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You can sometimes get FIFA to agree to ignore that rule, I think.
I can't find any exceptions - they brought in the "overlapping seasons" thing in 2008 (with a minor Villa link, as Gareth Farrelly was the player who was stopped playing for Cork City, resulting in the rules change).
The only exception I can find is they let it slide during Covid to try and avoid out of contract players being stuck without a club when those leagues had to be rescheduled.
Can't find any examples of them just ignoring it.
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I thought you had to seek written permission and they would overwrite it in certain circumstances. This does seem pretty unfair on the player, an England international being denied the chance to play football in a World Cup season through no fault of his own. I don't think the rule is intended to bring about circumstances like that, but, then again, expecting any sort of common sense from football authorities may be hopelessly naive.
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Exactly, the sensible answer is to remove the 10 game clause…
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If the rule didn't exist you'd most likely have clubs exploit it far more often than it would help a player like Harvey.
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Yes that's why I think it was on a case by case basis not just a free-for-all. Thought I'm buggered if I can find a link now so maybe I imagined it.
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If January could be a Rashford/Asensio type window, and not an Elliot/Sancho/Guessand window...please.
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swap asensio and rashford for elliot and Sancho . We win the league. Damn Manc game .
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Wondered if maybe a cheeky loan for Asensio could have be on the cards again, but looks like he's found his feet in Turkey now and is starting and scoring.
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I think it’s safe to say that other than Bizot, the net return from the players signed this summer has been little to nothing (at least in the short-term). Lindelof, signed as a back-up is basically as expected. But the impact and output of the attacking signings have been virtually nothing. Now fortunately Emi B’s resurgence and Malen settling in has covered the gap, and perhaps the attacking players may kick on in time, like Malen. But at this time, they don’t look great.
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And people said the same about Tielemans, Bailey and Malen; yet they all came (are coming) good the following season.
Guessand just needs to get going a bit. Sancho has the ability, can Emery and Ayesteran get the most out of him? Elliott, well let's see, he has ability, and his attitude has never been in question before, I do wonder if there's a masterplan from Emery and we suddenly see him burst on the scene in the New Year (I'm hoping rather than expecting).
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Well yeah, but I would say it’s suboptimal to have a situation where there has to be a long embedding period for pretty much all your intake. It’s ok for one or two players to take some time, but you really need some players to hit the ground running. Worked out so far fortunately, but it’s not really sustainable especially as not all players will end up being effective.
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Transfer windows are about the players you sell and keep, not just the ones you buy.
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Edit to say this is in response to Mr Winch.
That may be the case, but is that down to the manager rather than the players?
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For me Rashford and Asensio came in and were instantly two of our best players, with regular first teamers being dropped for them. Guessand looks miles off it in this league. Elliot, a complete mystery and not making matchday squads? Sancho and Lindelhof on megabucks and getting a few minutes here and there is not ideal.
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Asensio and Rashford are though, absolute proven top quality and their wages (and/or fees) were astronomical. We couldn't' afford them for this season.
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For me Rashford and Asensio came in and were instantly two of our best players, with regular first teamers being dropped for them. Guessand looks miles off it in this league. Elliot, a complete mystery and not making matchday squads? Sancho and Lindelhof on megabucks and getting a few minutes here and there is not ideal.
Is Lindelof on megabucks?
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Probably decent but not obscene wages. Decent because he was free, but not obscene as there was hardly a long line of clubs trying to throw money at him.
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Probably decent but not obscene wages. Decent because he was free, but not obscene as there was hardly a long line of clubs trying to throw money at him.
I imagine he'd be earning the lowest of our four centre-backs, befitting his role in the squad.
Albeit "lowest" still resulting in him getting millions of pounds per season.
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For me Rashford and Asensio came in and were instantly two of our best players, with regular first teamers being dropped for them. Guessand looks miles off it in this league. Elliot, a complete mystery and not making matchday squads? Sancho and Lindelhof on megabucks and getting a few minutes here and there is not ideal.
Is Lindelof on megabucks?
For minutes played yes, £100000 a week was rumoured. Sancho £160000 a week. Guessand and Elliot won't be on peanuts either. £ per minutes for this lot must be frightening. At least Rashford / Asensio delivered and didn't need bedding in, expensive as they were
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Seems about the going rate tbh.
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Transfer windows are about the players you sell and keep, not just the ones you buy.
Absolutely, but the point stands around sustainability. You do need some of the players you bring in to make a quicker impact.
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Edit to say this is in response to Mr Winch.
That may be the case, but is that down to the manager rather than the players?
Yep that’s fair. It’s a combination, but I can’t imagine any of the attackers has done what was hoped.
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Transfer windows are about the players you sell and keep, not just the ones you buy.
Absolutely, but the point stands around sustainability. You do need some of the players you bring in to make a quicker impact.
I think the sustainability cheat codes are picked up by integrating youth players and having fewer players like Barkley and Lindlehoff. We’ve not done great here, with the exception of Bogarde. Some of that is Emery (I suspect) but equally most Monchi players of that ilk were quickly sold for an instant profit.
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For me Rashford and Asensio came in and were instantly two of our best players, with regular first teamers being dropped for them. Guessand looks miles off it in this league. Elliot, a complete mystery and not making matchday squads? Sancho and Lindelhof on megabucks and getting a few minutes here and there is not ideal.
Is Lindelof on megabucks?
For minutes played yes, £100000 a week was rumoured. Sancho £160000 a week. Guessand and Elliot won't be on peanuts either. £ per minutes for this lot must be frightening. At least Rashford / Asensio delivered and didn't need bedding in, expensive as they were
There's no chance we're paying that much for Lindelof.
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For me Rashford and Asensio came in and were instantly two of our best players, with regular first teamers being dropped for them. Guessand looks miles off it in this league. Elliot, a complete mystery and not making matchday squads? Sancho and Lindelhof on megabucks and getting a few minutes here and there is not ideal.
Is Lindelof on megabucks?
For minutes played yes, £100000 a week was rumoured. Sancho £160000 a week. Guessand and Elliot won't be on peanuts either. £ per minutes for this lot must be frightening. At least Rashford / Asensio delivered and didn't need bedding in, expensive as they were
Some myths have grown legs around Rashford and Asensio's impact with us last season. The fact we signed both on loan when we had just signed Malen highlights why we are in the financial straightjacket we are currently in. Malen and Buendia looking at the raw numbers are well on their way to displacing their impact in any case.
Agreed on the three new signings. Guessand looks poorly scouted. Deadline day deal for Sancho was always going to come with a high risk warning. Similar to Rashford really, the question wasn't to do with ability but application. Rashford from his first appearance at least gave the impression of a guy fighting for his top level career. Sancho has missed that memo. Elliot is the one I thought would work best, particularly if compared to Asensio. Tactical flexibility and we do need to lower the age profile of the squad. I guess in time we will find out what's really going on there.
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For me Rashford and Asensio came in and were instantly two of our best players, with regular first teamers being dropped for them. Guessand looks miles off it in this league. Elliot, a complete mystery and not making matchday squads? Sancho and Lindelhof on megabucks and getting a few minutes here and there is not ideal.
Is Lindelof on megabucks?
For minutes played yes, £100000 a week was rumoured. Sancho £160000 a week. Guessand and Elliot won't be on peanuts either. £ per minutes for this lot must be frightening. At least Rashford / Asensio delivered and didn't need bedding in, expensive as they were
There's no chance we're paying that much for Lindelof.
We also aren't paying a loan fee for him like we were for Lenglet or Disasi. He's centre back pollyfilla.
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From memory Lindelof was going to Italy, either Lazio or Napoli, for €107000 a week supposedly, and then we stepped in at the last minute. No Man Utd players come cheap, as we've discovered with Rashford/Sancho. When Radcliffe had a clear out of stadium staff it turned out the shithouse cleaner was on £20000 a week : )
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He wasn't a Man Utd player. He was out of contract.
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He wasn't a Man Utd player. He was out of contract.
Who, the shithouse cleaner?
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Didn't we "out-salarize" Everton to sign Swedish ace Lindelof ?
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Everton boss David Moyes wants to hang on to English midfielder James Garner amid interest from Manchester United, Aston Villa and Nottingham Forest in the 24-year-old, who is out of contract at the end of the season. (Talksport)
Isn't he a bit of a Maverick?
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Everton boss David Moyes wants to hang on to English midfielder James Garner amid interest from Manchester United, Aston Villa and Nottingham Forest in the 24-year-old, who is out of contract at the end of the season. (Talksport)
Isn't he a bit of a Maverick?
...File that under 'Rockford'....
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Everton boss David Moyes wants to hang on to English midfielder James Garner amid interest from Manchester United, Aston Villa and Nottingham Forest in the 24-year-old, who is out of contract at the end of the season. (Talksport)
Isn't he a bit of a Maverick?
So I've gathered.
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No doubt looking for his Great Escape.
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Marcus Rashford last January; Kobbie Mainoo this time around?
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We can't loan from other Prem teams as we already have two.
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Based on our summer signings, I kinda hope we don't sign anyone. Waste of wages that we badly need to save.
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Marcus Rashford last January; Kobbie Mainoo this time around?
It's not really a position we need cover for even if we were allowed.
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Apparently we are interested in Igor Tiago from Brentford for 50m, according to the gossip page.
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Tiago can score those elusive centrally positioned shots from around 12 yards.
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Has the technique and strength to hold and move the ball well, as he showed against us in August.
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Shocked to see he's 24. Looks at least 30.
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We’re going to need something in an attacking sense in January. Ollie is obviously struggling and Guessand, Elliott, and Sancho have offered little to nothing. We’re doing very well, but we need much more in attack.
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Been linked with a 17-year old Belgian midfielder for about £20m.
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We’re going to need something in an attacking sense in January. Ollie is obviously struggling and Guessand, Elliott, and Sancho have offered little to nothing. We’re doing very well, but we need much more in attack.
I have faith Olabe will have a much more successful incomings window that shambolic one monchi left us with.
Striker has to be main priority. Still think we need a right back also. If a a good offer comes in for buendia too i would take itehile the irons hot
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Been linked with a 17-year old Belgian midfielder for about £20m.
I've been scouting this lad on the new football manager game, think he's Phil Tuffnel's love child, Nathan De Cat.
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Great name. Sign him up!
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I agree, we should sign him on the basis of his name alone. We need to cover the full range of names, from 19th century greengrocers (George Hemmings) through to Kids TV characters (Nathan De Cat). Otherwise we're doing it wrong.
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De Cat looks like a superb prospect but I'm not sure I can see us spending that sort of money in a position where we have Onana still only in his early 20s, Bogarde and Hemmings already breaking through and then have the likes of Borland and Kone who look like very good prospects as well. We just seem to be pretty well stocked on young defensive midfielders.
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I agree, we should sign him on the basis of his name alone. We need to cover the full range of names, from 19th century greengrocers (George Hemmings) through to Kids TV characters (Nathan De Cat). Otherwise we're doing it wrong.
He looks about 35 at 17 which is another reason to sign him, you don't see players like that anymore.
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We can't sign him until July when he's eighteen so this should really be in the yet-to-be-started Summer 2026 transfer window thread.
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I agree, we should sign him on the basis of his name alone. We need to cover the full range of names, from 19th century greengrocers (George Hemmings) through to Kids TV characters (Nathan De Cat). Otherwise we're doing it wrong.
He looks about 35 at 17 which is another reason to sign him, you don't see players like that anymore.
That reminds me of a thread on Twitter, the world cup of players who look older than they are..
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https://x.com/80sAging - a corker.
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80s Footballers Aging Badly. From 4-5 years ago.
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https://x.com/80sAging - a corker.
That's absolutely outstanding.
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It was the best thing on Twitter.
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https://x.com/80sAging - a corker.
Some shocking barnets there, clearly hair products and moisturiser hadn't been invented.
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https://x.com/80sAging - a corker.
Some shocking barnets there, clearly hair products and moisturiser hadn't been invented.
Life was just harder back then.
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Surely Jimmy Leadbetter cannot be just 33 in that pic, did he kip on a sun bed?
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https://x.com/80sAging - a corker.
My favourite is 32 year old Ayr Utd goalkeeper Hugh Sproat:
(https://images.wsj.net/im-266334?width=700&height=700)
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https://x.com/80sAging - a corker.
My favourite is 32 year old Ayr Utd goalkeeper Hugh Sproat:
(https://images.wsj.net/im-266334?width=700&height=700)
..looks like Des Lynam went mad for the buffet..
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32! Ha.
I did like that on Twitter, it was ace. I just won’t allow myself to reload the app to my phone.
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https://x.com/80sAging - a corker.
My favourite is 32 year old Ayr Utd goalkeeper Hugh Sproat:
(https://images.wsj.net/im-266334?width=700&height=700)
..looks like Des Lynam went mad for the buffet..
At first I thought it was old Des.
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Alexis Mac Allister's dad I think
https://x.com/80sAging/status/1400520371376476161?s=20
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32! Ha.
I did like that on Twitter, it was ace. I just won’t allow myself to reload the app to my phone.
Here you go:
https://xcancel.com/80sAging
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32! Ha.
I did like that on Twitter, it was ace. I just won’t allow myself to reload the app to my phone.
You're not missing anything, the account stopped posting photos last year.
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https://x.com/80sAging - a corker.
My favourite is 32 year old Ayr Utd goalkeeper Hugh Sproat:
(https://images.wsj.net/im-266334?width=700&height=700)
Looks like he could be a long lost Chuckle Brother.
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https://x.com/80sAging - a corker.
My favourite is 32 year old Ayr Utd goalkeeper Hugh Sproat:
(https://images.wsj.net/im-266334?width=700&height=700)
Looks like he could be a long lost Chuckle Brother.
Bob Carolgees 😃
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Pretty sure I flipped his cardholder in Guess Who? circa 1991.
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https://x.com/80sAging - a corker.
My favourite is 32 year old Ayr Utd goalkeeper Hugh Sproat:
(https://images.wsj.net/im-266334?width=700&height=700)
Looks like he could be a long lost Chuckle Brother.
Bob Carolgees 😃
Yes, where’s Spit the dog?
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Benteke back for the craic for a few months ?
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Benteke back for the craic for a few months ?
Not for me and I loved him. He's not the player that left a decade ago and i'd hate to see my memories of him tarnished.
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Bet he'd scored more than 1 goal in 19 games and have at least one assist.
It's a yes from me.
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He's 35 tomorrow and playing in a pub league. That would be insane.
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Yes, not a good move.
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He's 35 tomorrow and playing in a pub league. That would be insane.
Yeah, it's all getting a bit silly now.
Can you imagine the nonsense that would be posted if we were 4th from bottom?
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As a squad member, I'd definitely add him. Cheap wages, pay as you play. Bet he'd do it.
Another body in.
It's not a bad idea guys.
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Name another 35 year old forward who peaked a decade ago who'd be another body in. One we have no particular memories of.
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Well it seems to be getting all nice and silly on here early :)
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Danny Ings is only 33...
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Berni Inn has thousands.
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I really don't see how anyone would think that a 35 year old not wanted by his MLS club would be a good addition.
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Look if we don't get in quickly, Birmingham City will buy him and if that happens I will not I repeat will not go to Villa Park ever again, so the club now needs to grow some balls
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Look if we don't get in quickly, Birmingham City will buy him and if that happens I will not I repeat will not go to Villa Park ever again, so the club now needs to grow some balls
Or at the very least, incorporate them in our crest.
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Name another 35 year old forward who peaked a decade ago who'd be another body in. One we have no particular memories of.
There can’t be many and anyway, if we’re going down that route a Bid for Raúl Jiménez or Danny Wellbeck would be more preferable to Benteke.
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Nathan Delfouneso is still only 34, just saying.
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Nathan Delfouneso is still only 34, just saying.
I've still not quite given up on him being the new Drogba. Given enough time and opportunity.
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As a squad member, I'd definitely add him. Cheap wages, pay as you play. Bet he'd do it.
Another body in.
It's not a bad idea guys.
No, it’s an abysmal one.
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From now on, Smirker isn't in charge of ideas.
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Everyone is missing the obvious, the answer of course is to bring Special K back himself, Keinan Davies, and honestly bring his mate Zaniolo back as well over Sancho, Elliot or Guessand
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Danny Ings is only 33...
And I would take him on a free until the end of the season.
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From now on, Smirker isn't in charge of ideas.
haha
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It's obviously a terrible idea now, but I reckon we should have definitely chucked £10m at Palace the season we came back up instead of £20m on Wesley. He wasn't that important to them and left on a free the following season.
Some players just fit a club - and even at 30, Benteke, with Grealish, McGinn, Mings et al, with a back-in-the-Premier--League Villa Park instead of Palace's mob fully behind him - I reckon it would have just worked.
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I’m still hoping we can get Asensio back in the summer.
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I like him but at nearly 30 he's hardly a good long term investment.
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Danny Ings is only 33...
And I would take him on a free until the end of the season.
Hahaha, now I know you're on a wind up. Danny Ings with zero goals (or assists though we don't count them) in the Championship this season... And the grand total of 2 goals in the past three seasons...
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So for the last six months or so you’ve been jumping up and down ranting about Ollie and your answer is Benteke or Ings?
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Bring Keinan home.
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If we're still around 4th after our usual hard as fuck December do we have the wiggle room to go for it like we did last January?
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I doubt it. And if we do, they'll change the rules so that we don't.
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I’d imagine we can and will look to do loans. We need a Rashford style impact.
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I’d imagine we can and will look to do loans. We need a Rashford style impact.
I was trying to think of someone in a similar situation to what he was that needs rescuing but I'm struggling.
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I’d imagine we can and will look to do loans. We need a Rashford style impact.
I was trying to think of someone in a similar situation to what he was that needs rescuing but I'm struggling.
And unless we're going to pay Liverpool a load of money to send Elliott back, they need to be from abroad as we can't have more than two domestic ones.
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Chiesa? Sterling?
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I’d imagine we can and will look to do loans. We need a Rashford style impact.
I was trying to think of someone in a similar situation to what he was that needs rescuing but I'm struggling.
And unless we're going to pay Liverpool a load of money to send Elliott back, they need to be from abroad as we can't have more than two domestic ones.
Surely we won’t keep Elliot - it’d be mad to carry on like this for all parties.
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Sancho needs to go too. Complete waste of space. Elliot and Sancho to RBL & Dortmund.
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Elliot can't play for anyone other than us and Liverpool.
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I’d imagine we can and will look to do loans. We need a Rashford style impact.
I was trying to think of someone in a similar situation to what he was that needs rescuing but I'm struggling.
And unless we're going to pay Liverpool a load of money to send Elliott back, they need to be from abroad as we can't have more than two domestic ones.
Surely we won’t keep Elliot - it’d be mad to carry on like this for all parties.
But unless Liverpool want him back in order to play him (which I accept, is obviously possible in their current state) why would they agree to have him on their bench paying his wages rather than him being on our bench with us paying his wages?
Unless we basically pay them at least the equivalent amount of money, I just don't see what's in it for them to have the deal ripped up. And if they planned to use him they wouldn't have sent him to us in the first place.
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But Elliott knows Liverpool and they like him there so he should just go there or to somewhere else that's convenient and financially beneficial for us. It's the only thing that makes sense.
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We will have to come to some agreement. Pointless the way it is. He should also sack his agent for agreeing a deal that discouraged his new team from picking him.
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But Elliott knows Liverpool and they like him there so he should just go there or to somewhere else that's convenient and financially beneficial for us. It's the only thing that makes sense.
He started only 2 x PL games for them last season. Don't think he gets that many more minutes with them if he goes back, they are struggling to keep their wide forwards happy as is.
Just seems very strange that Emery continues to freeze him out with Guessand and Sancho struggling so badly. Would he really be shying away from physical contact like Sancho does?
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We'll end up paying the same regardless of keeping him or sending him back. So, do we want to send him back so Liverpool can play him and get his value going back up, or keeping him, weakening them financially as his value goes down and using him in training and as back up in the event of us encountering more injuries. You'd think that Barkley being out opens the door for him as a sub, given Barkley has been coming on as a 10.
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Renegotiate the ten game rule and start picking him. Better for Liverpool if he plays than sits on the bench, regardless of whether they intend to pick him next season or sell him. His value will only go down otherwise.
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Not sure we can just send season long loanee's back on a whim from us without full agreement from their parent clubs. Neither club will suddenly want extra wages on their books for players they don't want or need. Sancho might go if someone decides to fully buy him in January but Elliot is in limbo.
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Renegotiate the ten game rule and start picking him. Better for Liverpool if he plays than sits on the bench, regardless of whether they intend to pick him next season or sell him. His value will only go down otherwise.
But what about his time at Villa suggests Emery would start picking him? If we thought he was going to fit into the team, he'd already be playing and we'd be looking forward to buying him, just as we'd planned to.
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We can't afford to. Literally everything that has happened off the pitch since the Man U game has screamed "the rules won't let us spend any money".
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I’d imagine we can and will look to do loans. We need a Rashford style impact.
I was trying to think of someone in a similar situation to what he was that needs rescuing but I'm struggling.
Sancho?
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Not sure we can just send season long loanee's back on a whim from us without full agreement from their parent clubs. Neither club will suddenly want extra wages on their books for players they don't want or need. Sancho might go if someone decides to fully buy him in January but Elliot is in limbo.
Sancho is out of contract in the summer so Dortmund for example might have to pay Man United a small fee to make that a permanent deal in January if all parties agreed. Not sure where that leaves us from an FFP/PSR perspective, if we paid a loan fee to Man United that's already gone I guess. Getting his wages off the books should be a positive.
RBL were interested in Elliot before, could that move happen in Jan?
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No. Because he can't play for anyone other than Villa or Liverpool this season.
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I’d imagine we can and will look to do loans. We need a Rashford style impact.
I was trying to think of someone in a similar situation to what he was that needs rescuing but I'm struggling.
Rashford's form, combined with Barcelona's financial situation might mean a player becomes available. Raphina or Torres are the names I know but there could be more. Endrick at Real Madrid is available but likely heading to Lyon according to reports.
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We can't afford to. Literally everything that has happened off the pitch since the Man U game has screamed "the rules won't let us spend any money".
There's nothing stopping us from selecting him on the bench ahead of youth team players.
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Ferguson from Brighton via rome seems to have lost his way a bit so would be cheap. strong, knows where the net is, technically better than the likes of strand-laursen
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Knowing where the net is doesn't mean he can ever find it, as evidenced by his record since 22/23. He is already on loan as well so not sure why Brighton would want to loan him elsewhere, especially with our record of playing loanees under the age of 25.
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We can't afford to. Literally everything that has happened off the pitch since the Man U game has screamed "the rules won't let us spend any money".
There's nothing stopping us from selecting him on the bench ahead of youth team players.
What's the point of putting someone on the bench that you don't want to select?
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Ferguson from Brighton via rome seems to have lost his way a bit so would be cheap. strong, knows where the net is, technically better than the likes of strand-laursen
Not sure he'd be as cheap as all that. Roma's option to buy him is apparently €40m. Which is a lot for someone who's scored two goals across the last season and a half.
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No. Because he can't play for anyone other than Villa or Liverpool this season.
What about Fiorentina, could he play for them?
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Maybe we’ll recall Bailey.
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No. Because he can't play for anyone other than Villa or Liverpool this season.
What about Fiorentina, could he play for them?
The rules don't specifically mention Fiorentina so it must be fine, I imagine.
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We can't afford to. Literally everything that has happened off the pitch since the Man U game has screamed "the rules won't let us spend any money".
There's nothing stopping us from selecting him on the bench ahead of youth team players.
Well apart from we had multiple players who would play in the positions Elliot might play already on the bench but no player in a position to come on in a more of a DM role. But if Emery picks Jimoh-Aloba on the bench ahead of him tonight then we are not ever having him.
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We can't afford to. Literally everything that has happened off the pitch since the Man U game has screamed "the rules won't let us spend any money".
There's nothing stopping us from selecting him on the bench ahead of youth team players.
What's the point of putting someone on the bench that you don't want to select?
This is feeling a little bit circular now. We can "afford" to select him in another four matches, regardless of what happens in January or beyond.
So if we think he's going to be more use than Hemmings, or Barkley or Sancho, there is no reason he shouldn't be on the bench to give us the option of using him. Regardless of whether we then call it there so we don't hit the ten matches that triggers the automatic purchase.
If we "don't want to select" him because we don't think he's good enough to be in our team, there's no reason to think he'll be in our team in the second half of the season ahead of Buendia, or Tielemans, or McGinn or Rogers either, even if Liverpool agree to take the clause out.
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We can't afford to. Literally everything that has happened off the pitch since the Man U game has screamed "the rules won't let us spend any money".
There's nothing stopping us from selecting him on the bench ahead of youth team players.
Well apart from we had multiple players who would play in the positions Elliot might play already on the bench but no player in a position to come on in a more of a DM role. But if Emery picks Jimoh-Aloba on the bench ahead of him tonight then we are not ever having him.
Yep, saved me having to type it out again.
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We can't afford to. Literally everything that has happened off the pitch since the Man U game has screamed "the rules won't let us spend any money".
There's nothing stopping us from selecting him on the bench ahead of youth team players.
What's the point of putting someone on the bench that you don't want to select?
This is feeling a little bit circular now. We can "afford" to select him in another four matches, regardless of what happens in January or beyond.
So if we think he's going to be more use than Hemmings, or Barkley or Sancho, there is no reason he shouldn't be on the bench to give us the option of using him. Regardless of whether we then call it there so we don't hit the ten matches that triggers the automatic purchase.
If we "don't want to select" him because we don't think he's good enough to be in our team, there's no reason to think he'll be in our team in the second half of the season ahead of Buendia, or Tielemans, or McGinn or Rogers either, even if Liverpool agree to take the clause out.
Even so, might as well save the four in case we get an injury crisis and have no choice later in the season, rather than bringing him on with ten minutes to go and wasting one of his eligible appearances.
Also possible we are trying to prove some sort of point to Liverpool in the hope of forcing their hand to drop the clause.
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We can't afford to. Literally everything that has happened off the pitch since the Man U game has screamed "the rules won't let us spend any money".
There's nothing stopping us from selecting him on the bench ahead of youth team players.
Well apart from we had multiple players who would play in the positions Elliot might play already on the bench but no player in a position to come on in a more of a DM role. But if Emery picks Jimoh-Aloba on the bench ahead of him tonight then we are not ever having him.
"No player in a position to come on in a more of a DM role", except Bogarde and Barkley* who were both on the bench alongside Hemmings against Leeds.
*who, while playing further forward this season has spent most of the last two seasons playing a DM role, so it's seems a stretch that in an injury to Kamara or Tielemans he's left on the bench while Hemmings comes on.
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Ferguson from Brighton via rome seems to have lost his way a bit so would be cheap. strong, knows where the net is, technically better than the likes of strand-laursen
Lost his way would be an understatement. Can't or won't run seems to be his biggest issue.
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We can't afford to. Literally everything that has happened off the pitch since the Man U game has screamed "the rules won't let us spend any money".
There's nothing stopping us from selecting him on the bench ahead of youth team players.
Well apart from we had multiple players who would play in the positions Elliot might play already on the bench but no player in a position to come on in a more of a DM role. But if Emery picks Jimoh-Aloba on the bench ahead of him tonight then we are not ever having him.
"No player in a position to come on in a more of a DM role", except Bogarde and Barkley* who were both on the bench alongside Hemmings against Leeds.
*who, while playing further forward this season has spent most of the last two seasons playing a DM role, so it's seems a stretch that in an injury to Kamara or Tielemans he's left on the bench while Hemmings comes on.
Bottom line is irrelevant really, Barkley is being used as a 10 currently and that's what he was covering on the bench. Bogarde is correct but he'd just been sent back from international duty with an injury. Aside from that if we'd put Elliott on the bench we'd have had 5 subs covering 4 people, which is just weird.
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Ferguson from Brighton via rome seems to have lost his way a bit so would be cheap. strong, knows where the net is, technically better than the likes of strand-laursen
Lost his way would be an understatement. Can't or won't run seems to be his biggest issue.
No thanks - a bad idea. Sure he may be 80m in 4 years time but he is more likely to be playing for Plymouth
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Ferguson from Brighton via rome seems to have lost his way a bit so would be cheap. strong, knows where the net is, technically better than the likes of strand-laursen
Lost his way would be an understatement. Can't or won't run seems to be his biggest issue.
No thanks - a bad idea. Sure he may be 80m in 4 years time but he is more likely to be playing for Plymouth
I took a punt on him in the new Football Manager and he took us to the title scoring a goal a game.
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Sorry if this has been said , but do we have someone lined up in January that needs to be paid for with the £35 million if we have for Elliott and that is why we are holding up on games
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Sorry if this has been said , but do we have someone lined up in January that needs to be paid for with the £35 million if we have for Elliott and that is why we are holding up on games
Think it is more that Unai doesn’t want to spend £35m on him at all and would rather have that money to spend elsewhere be it in January or next summer.
It’s an odd situation…you’d presume Liverpool don’t want him back but if he stays all season and doesn’t play again we won’t have triggered the £35m and his value will have plummeted for others to buy. On the flip side if they lift that clause so he is an option to play for us and he does well we are a direct competitor to them now as they are in the gaggle of clubs for whom 3rd is the best can do. Tricky one.
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The new DoF has probably been given the budget to go and prove himself.
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No. Because he can't play for anyone other than Villa or Liverpool this season.
Any idea why Barry didn’t take the penalty?
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The new DoF has probably been given the budget to go and prove himself.
WARCHEST!!!!!
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Think it'll be a Duran-esque punt this Jan if we do any business at all - and that's regardless of whether Elliott goes back or not.
I'd rather have better cover than Lidelof for the £ we're forking out there n'all. But expect that might be one for the summer.
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Ferguson from Brighton via rome seems to have lost his way a bit so would be cheap. strong, knows where the net is, technically better than the likes of strand-laursen
Lost his way would be an understatement. Can't or won't run seems to be his biggest issue.
Got too comfy and fat in Brighton. I can empathise.
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Jacob Tanswell reckons we'll be in for Kaio Jorge in January, a 23 year old Brazilian striker at Cruzeiro. Scored 21 goals in 32 games this season and has recently been called up to the national team.
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Jacob Tanswell reckons we'll be in for Kaio Jorge in January, a 23 year old Brazilian striker at Cruzeiro. Scored 21 goals in 32 games this season and has recently been called up to the national team.
Cruzeiro bought him off Juventus in the summer window last year for £5.5m, he's been on loan alongside Enzo Barrenechea at Frosinone scoring 3 goals in 22 games. Previously he'd played 9 games for Juventus without scoring before being out injured for 15 months. Now at Cruzeiro he scored 7 goals in 23 games in his first year and this year he finally found his scoring boots with 26 goals in 43 games. He's played 20 minutes for Brazil recently without scoring.
Now Cruzeiro want/dream of £30.6m for him. We've been linked with him for some time so no surprise his name has come up. If we do sign him I hope 50% of the deal is made up with clauses. He's 24 in January so still young enough to learn a trick or two.
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Jacob Tanswell reckons we'll be in for Kaio Jorge in January, a 23 year old Brazilian striker at Cruzeiro. Scored 21 goals in 32 games this season and has recently been called up to the national team.
Big fan of signing Brazilians with first names as surnames. Igor Thiago, Carlos Alberto, Taff Pharrell, Roberto Carlos, Ronaldo, Ro Mario, were all pretty decent.
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Wagner Love had two.
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No. Because he can't play for anyone other than Villa or Liverpool this season.
Any idea why Barry didn’t take the penalty?
I feel like I'm in some shit Black Mirror episode where all anyone suggests is which club Elliot could go to.
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No. Because he can't play for anyone other than Villa or Liverpool this season.
Any idea why Barry didn’t take the penalty?
I feel like I'm in some shit Black Mirror episode where all anyone suggests is which club Elliot could go to.
I've heard he wants Ross County, and he wants them now. They're prepared to let their best shearers at him and the finances work like fuck. Just what I've heard.
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I feel like I'm in some shit Black Mirror episode where...
Pfft, there's no such thing.
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No. Because he can't play for anyone other than Villa or Liverpool this season.
Any idea why Barry didn’t take the penalty?
I feel like I'm in some shit Black Mirror episode where all anyone suggests is which club Elliot could go to.
I've heard he wants Ross County, and he wants them now. They're prepared to let their best shearers at him and the finances work like fuck. Just what I've heard.
Would his hair be acceptable there?
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No. Because he can't play for anyone other than Villa or Liverpool this season.
Any idea why Barry didn’t take the penalty?
I feel like I'm in some shit Black Mirror episode where all anyone suggests is which club Elliot could go to.
I've heard he wants Ross County, and he wants them now. They're prepared to let their best shearers at him and the finances work like fuck. Just what I've heard.
Would his hair be acceptable there?
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No. Because he can't play for anyone other than Villa or Liverpool this season.
Any idea why Barry didn’t take the penalty?
I feel like I'm in some shit Black Mirror episode where all anyone suggests is which club Elliot could go to.
I've heard he wants Ross County, and he wants them now. They're prepared to let their best shearers at him and the finances work like fuck. Just what I've heard.
Would his hair be acceptable there?
Sorry, reading comprehension has gone to shit.
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It's so frustrating. A few good results this month and we would be all set for a real tilt at getting back into the Champions League and winning tne Europa League if we could add a couple of real quality players in January.
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Abut ambitious but i would love us to try get gapko in. What a player he would be here
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No. Because he can't play for anyone other than Villa or Liverpool this season.
Any idea why Barry didn’t take the penalty?
I feel like I'm in some shit Black Mirror episode where all anyone suggests is which club Elliot could go to.
I've heard he wants Ross County, and he wants them now. They're prepared to let their best shearers at him and the finances work like fuck. Just what I've heard.
They've got a sponsorship deal in with Wahl to fund the move.
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Ivan Toney and Conor Gallagher on loan? Can we loan more players?
Width we need someone, Diaby back on loan?
Say loans as I have no idea if we have money or if we do how much we can spend.
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We are allowed four loans in total and currently have used up the domestic ones so only two more left. God knows what a loan for Toney would cost in wages though, and I'm not sold on Gallagher as that is one place we are stocked up.
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We need a couple of fast wingers.
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We need a couple of fast wingers.
We need two but equally I dont see the point in jettisoning both Guessand and Sancho, so one should is enough.
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Given where we are in the league can we attract quality players for our tilt at the top 4 and not include them in the Europa League squad?
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Gallagher has turned us down once already. Striker and winger for me.
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What does Gallagher add that we haven't got already? If we have any money to spend, do it on something we really need, a pacy winger.
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What does Gallagher add that we haven't got already? If we have any money to spend, do it on something we really need, a pacy winger.
Can play on the flanks. The mini McGinn we thought we were getting with Elliot.
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We absolutely don't need Gallagher. We absolutely do need a pacy, tricksy and goaly winger who can also cover at centre-forward. Basically, this year's Rashford, whoever that may be.
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I don’t think Gallagher is good enough for our strongest eleven and wouldn’t be happy being a squad player.
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I’m not at all up on anyone who doesn’t play for the Villa, who the fuck is Gallagher?
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I’m not at all up on anyone who doesn’t play for the Villa, who the fuck is Gallagher?
Ex Chelsea midfielder now at Atletico Madrid.
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Ah right. Doesn't he have a man bun?
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A good point, well made.
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He did but think he might have reconsidered his life choices since moving to the Spanish capital.
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He turned us down last time when he was supposed to be Emery’s preferred replacement for Luiz, I think. Imagine he regrets that life decision now.
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🚨 NEW: Brighton are monitoring Aston Villa midfielder Lamare Bogarde.
@mcgrathmike
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Go away Brighton.
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Chukwueze played for Emery at Villareal, right? Wonder if we're watching that one. Started well at Fulham.
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Go away Brighton.
🚨 NEW: Brighton are monitoring Aston Villa midfielder Lamare Bogarde.
@mcgrathmike
they will probably lose Baleba soon and planning for it
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Chukwueze played for Emery at Villareal, right? Wonder if we're watching that one. Started well at Fulham.
I’m sure there have been links to him.
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🚨 NEW: Brighton are monitoring Aston Villa midfielder Lamare Bogarde.
@mcgrathmike
Well they didn't do enough before Wednesday! And they can sniff about all they like, I very much doubt he's going anywhere, especially a downgrade.
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🚨 NEW: Aston Villa have added Borussia Mönchengladbach goalkeeper Moritz Nicolas to their shortlist for the summer.
@berger_pj
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We've already used our quota of goalies with Zs in their name.
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Fer a striker in January and we are really going to fuck some shit up.
This is our chance to really do something.
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You never know, a couple of big signings like Jan last season may be on the cards.
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As long as we don't completely screw the next four matches, anyone who is available that we want and we are able to sign is going to be willing to crawl over broken glass to join us.
And I can't remember a time when that was ever the case for us.
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As long as we don't completely screw the next four matches, anyone who is available that we want and we are able to sign is going to be willing to crawl over broken glass to join us.
And I can't remember a time when that was ever the case for us.
So can we strengthen the premier league squad without impacting our SCR limits for Europe?
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Send Elliott back and loan Salah? 😜
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Send Elliott back and loan Salah? 😜
Beat me to it!
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Send Elliott back and loan Salah? 😜
Beat me to it!
Ahem.
Elliot back to Liverpool, Salah to Villa.
Everyone's happy.
(Except Liverpool and quite probably Salah but, pfft, who invented the bloody league?)
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Need to move heaven and earth to find a way of giving Emery some reinforcements next month, we have to make this season count.
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Need to move heaven and earth to find a way of giving Emery some reinforcements next month, we have to make this season count.
Agree, but I find it difficult at the minute to see where reinforcements are required given the kind of money we are likely to have available. I suppose the picture to look at is one where we potentially have a few injuries and where that might leave some holes.
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Similar plan to last year, no? Couple of high profile loanees looking for World Cup fitness and exposure.
Would be helpful if we don't have any off-radar departures for PSR/SCR (Diaby, Duran) and the senior players (Ollie) are on-board with it.
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Need to move heaven and earth to find a way of giving Emery some reinforcements next month, we have to make this season count.
Agree, but I find it difficult at the minute to see where reinforcements are required given the kind of money we are likely to have available. I suppose the picture to look at is one where we potentially have a few injuries and where that might leave some holes.
New accounting period for UEFA SCR in January, money we’re unlikely to pay for Harvey freed up. Enzo cash? So we might have some wiggle room.
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Or we start playing Elliot now we can actually cover him in the accounts from Jan for UEFA.
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He won't get near the team ahead of Rogers and Buendia. He's too much money sank in to a poorly thought out panic signing by Monchi to try to appease everyone and paper over his summer of failure. He will go back and Emery will target a position that does need strengthening, out wide with pace.
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He won't get near the team ahead of Rogers and Buendia. He's too much money sank in to a poorly thought out panic signing by Monchi to try to appease everyone and paper over his summer of failure. He will go back and Emery will target a position that does need strengthening, out wide with pace.
Buendia’s form has really put a spanner in Elliot’s future for us.
Nasef could always have an Egyptian to Egyptian chat with Salah. He could be good for half a season
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He won't get near the team ahead of Rogers and Buendia. He's too much money sank in to a poorly thought out panic signing by Monchi to try to appease everyone and paper over his summer of failure. He will go back and Emery will target a position that does need strengthening, out wide with pace.
Buendia’s form has really put a spanner in Elliot’s future for us.
Nasef could always have an Egyptian to Egyptian chat with Salah. He could be good for half a season
Maybe they could go for a walk together, like.
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Our squad
Goalie
Martinez
Bizot
RB
Cash
Garcia
Konsa
Bogarde
RCB
Konsa
Lindelof
Bogarde
LCB
Torres
Mings
LIndelof
LB
Maatsen
Digne
CDM
Kamara
Onana
Bogarde
CM
Tielemans
Onana
McGinn
RW
Rogers
Guessand
McGinn
Elliott
LW
Sancho
Buendia
Maatsen
McGinn
10
Rogers
Buendia
Tielemans
McGinn
Elliott
CF
Watkins
Malen
I'd say the front line is where we need to strengthen, and we need some genuine pace too.
Mateta would be worth a go I reckon. Thiago perhaps? Toney, no thanks. Ferguson wouldn't get in our team.
Salah would never come and given his pathetic outburst at the weekend, I wouldn't want him anyway.
Guessand
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No Barkley? Would also drop Malen as an option for RW and Kamara for CB options based on who you have placed there.
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Mateta would be worth a go I reckon.
Be very surprised to see Mateta go anywhere in January - if he carries on doing what he's doing, he goes (and probably) starts for France at the World Cup. He'd be daft to come and fight for a place with Watkins and Malen for the run up to that.
Then next summer he has the World Cup and twelve months left on his Palace contract. That would be the time for him to push for a move elsewhere.
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I agree, I'd be surprised, but he won't sign a new deal, and might be tempted (though whether Palace would consider it is a whole different question).
And yes, forgot Barkley. Kamara is someone who can cover CB, as is Malen for RW. Though clearly they are more desperation measures than actual positions.
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Ivan Toney would be gettable I think, as he'd be looking to get into World Cup consideration.
And we could use someone who can take a penalty.
Might cause dressing room disruptions though,as he'd be contending with Ollie for club and country.
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Don't we lose Guessand for a month or so after this weekend?
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Yep.
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The other option with Elliot could be that we renegotiate with Liverpool and remove the 10 game clause. We get an extra body in midfield, Elliot gets minutes playing for the best manager in the country, and Liverpool get a player they want off their books placed in the shop window.
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The other option with Elliot could be that we renegotiate with Liverpool and remove the 10 game clause. We get an extra body in midfield, Elliot gets minutes playing for the best manager in the country, and Liverpool get a player they want off their books placed in the shop window.
That would be ideal or Elliott going back if the shift Salah and need extra bodies.
The only spanner with the clause is that Liverpool can only target Champions League football now, not a hope of title so we are a very real competitor, they would possibly sacrifice Elliott fee depreciation to leave him here not playing
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Liverpool will sign Semenyo if they shift Salah.
Annoying that Liverpool won’t be burdened by his wages for the remainder of his contract. It seems Saudi clubs are happy to cough up his £300k/week, and he clearly wants out.
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Don't we lose Guessand for a month or so after this weekend?
Yes, what will we do
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Bring Jhon and Marco home from Turkiye. Fuck off Harvey and J-dawg, neutral wage position. Let's crack on and win the league.
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The other option with Elliot could be that we renegotiate with Liverpool and remove the 10 game clause. We get an extra body in midfield, Elliot gets minutes playing for the best manager in the country, and Liverpool get a player they want off their books placed in the shop window.
I would still like to see how he would get on down the right side for us. McGinn has got that position sewn up at the moment, but he could be an option there as well.
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Minteh, Bowen or Hudson odoi would be good if we had any money.
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We won't be spending big in January and all those will cost a lot, or in Hudson Odoi's case, not really worth it, in my humble opinion.
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Soccer News Grêmio@soccergfbpa
🚨 Grêmio recebeu uma nova proposta pelo atacante Alysson e está preparando a saída do jogador para um clube do futebol da Inglaterra.
A oferta é superior a 12 milhões de euros (R$ 75 milhões de reais). Grêmio tem 80% dos direitos econômicos do jogador.
Grêmio has received a new offer for striker Alysson and is preparing the player's departure to a club in English football.
The offer is over 12 million euros (R$ 75 million reais). Grêmio owns 80% of the player's economic rights.
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🚨 ATUALIZAÇÃO — Aston Villa é o clube que fez proposta por Alyss
UPDATE — Aston Villa is the club that made an offer for Alysson
Stats
Série A · Grêmio · 2025
31 Matches
1 Goals
2 Assists
6 Yellow cards
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Ivan Toney would be gettable I think, as he'd be looking to get into World Cup consideration.
And we could use someone who can take a penalty.
Might cause dressing room disruptions though,as he'd be contending with Ollie for club and country.
Might be advisable to pass on Toney. We could do without his disruptions.
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Grêmio has received a new offer for striker Alysson
Stats
Série A · Grêmio · 2025
31 Matches
1 Goals
2 Assists
6 Yellow cards
So a non-scoring striker. Proper false 9.
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Ivan Toney would be gettable I think, as he'd be looking to get into World Cup consideration.
And we could use someone who can take a penalty.
Might cause dressing room disruptions though,as he'd be contending with Ollie for club and country.
Might be advisable to pass on Toney. We could do without his disruptions.
Hasn’t he just been arrested?
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We're in for a Brazilian called Alysson and the video shows him.in a Liverpool shirt but he plays in Brazil and is a striker, not a goalie....make it make sense.
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We're in for a Brazilian called Alysson and the video shows him.in a Liverpool shirt but he plays in Brazil and is a striker, not a goalie....make it make sense.
His goalscoring record isn’t much better than a goalie.
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Ivan Toney would be gettable I think, as he'd be looking to get into World Cup consideration.
And we could use someone who can take a penalty.
Might cause dressing room disruptions though,as he'd be contending with Ollie for club and country.
Might be advisable to pass on Toney. We could do without his disruptions.
Hasn’t he just been arrested?
I thought he was a Nose?
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Minteh, Bowen or Hudson odoi would be good if we had any money.
We have all the money in the world. We could afford any of those.
We are NOT ALLOWED to spend it.
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Ivan Toney would be gettable I think, as he'd be looking to get into World Cup consideration.
And we could use someone who can take a penalty.
Might cause dressing room disruptions though,as he'd be contending with Ollie for club and country.
Might be advisable to pass on Toney. We could do without his disruptions.
Hasn’t he just been arrested?
yep. In England after Dioning a fellow clubber he was led away in cuffs.
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Minteh, Bowen or Hudson odoi would be good if we had any money.
We have all the money in the world. We could afford any of those.
We are NOT ALLOWED to spend it.
And if we could spend that money I wouldn't want any of them.
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Aston Villa are interested in Strasbourg's 23-year-old Argentinian striker Joaquin Panichelli, with Chelsea and West Ham also monitoring him. (Teamtalk)
Can't see him going anywhere but Chelsea and it is teamtalk.
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Might be advisable to pass on Toney. We could do without his disruptions.
Hasn’t he just been arrested?
Yes, that's what I was referring to.
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Minteh, Bowen or Hudson odoi would be good if we had any money.
We have all the money in the world. We could afford any of those.
We are NOT ALLOWED to spend it.
Are you sure?
We're going to be fine this season on losses because we have all of that lovely Champions League / Duran money in the books and didn't spend anything stupid. We had to finish with a positive transfer balance last summer because that was our punishment from UEFA, and we did so. The new UEFA accounting period begins on January 1st.
I think our settlement with UEFA says that we can't register new signings for Europa League for the whole of this season, so if we did want to bring in a permanent transfer then I don't think we could use them in Europe without an equivalent sale. But if we're sitting in the top four in January, I expect a new signing wouldn't be that devastated. I guess we might not want UEFA to think that we're not really playing in the spirit of that sanction and it could cause us problems with them in future.
As has been said before, we might want to be wary about the books we're presenting at the end of this season with a big wage bill and no Champions League money, but if we're confident that we're not losing stupid amounts, then we should be alright. Not "go out and spend £200m" alright, but not like last summer either.
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If that’s accurate Dave, then hopefully we are in a far better position than I understood.
With Elliot’s wages off the books as well (hopefully) there will be scope for us to do something.
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Aston Villa are interested in Strasbourg's 23-year-old Argentinian striker Joaquin Panichelli, with Chelsea and West Ham also monitoring him. (Teamtalk)
Can't see him going anywhere but Chelsea and it is teamtalk.
I mentioned him somewhere last week and it is nice to be linked to him even if he's likely to end up with Chelsea. I reckon he's going to be special in a couple of years and he's exactly the sort of player we should be looking at to replace Ollie. The other thing of course is they've already signed Joao Pedro and Delap in the summer, they seem to rate Guiu highly and they're already taking Emegha from Strasbourg next summer so do theyeven have space to take him?
If they do then Chelsea will have at least a few forwards going out as well and I think Joao Pedro in particular would do well with us.
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Not least because we'd then have a penalty taker.
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Ivan Toney would be gettable I think, as he'd be looking to get into World Cup consideration.
And we could use someone who can take a penalty.
Might cause dressing room disruptions though,as he'd be contending with Ollie for club and country.
Might be advisable to pass on Toney. We could do without his disruptions.
Hasn’t he just been arrested?
I thought he was a Nose?
I assume you are referencing the Z to the Holte a few seasons back? I believe his agent at the time (and maybe still) was a nose and put him up to it
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Doesn’t Toney has a tax issue if he returns to UK before end of May 26?
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Fuck Toney. If he had any ambition, he wouldn't have gone to Saudi Arabia.
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After what Toney did when he scored at the Holte End a few years ago I don't think he would be a popular signing.
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Aston Villa are interested in Strasbourg's 23-year-old Argentinian striker Joaquin Panichelli, with Chelsea and West Ham also monitoring him. (Teamtalk)
Can't see him going anywhere but Chelsea and it is teamtalk.
Never heard of him but his showreel is pretty complete, the type of player we should be all over, proper striker, does everything. His one weakness is he doesn't appear to be that fast though that may be down to the knee operation he had. He's already been called up for the national side, same game as Emi B.
Do Chelsea own Strasbourg? Sounds like they will have him on loan for a season and if he does okay they take him. Shame.
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Aston Villa are interested in Strasbourg's 23-year-old Argentinian striker Joaquin Panichelli, with Chelsea and West Ham also monitoring him. (Teamtalk)
Can't see him going anywhere but Chelsea and it is teamtalk.
Never heard of him but his showreel is pretty complete, the type of player we should be all over, proper striker, does everything. His one weakness is he doesn't appear to be that fast though that may be down to the knee operation he had. He's already been called up for the national side, same game as Emi B.
Do Chelsea own Strasbourg? Sounds like they will have him on loan for a season and if he does okay they take him. Shame.
They're part of Blueco, so owned by Todd Boehly.
As above though Chelsea are already taking Strasbourg's main striker from last season in the summer (and might even try to trigger that transfer in Jan) which will leave them with 4 first team strikers which is clearly unsustainable. It's not even like they can push 1 or 2 of them to be wingers or 10s because they have loads of those as well. As things stand they have a 41 man squad to go into 26/27 with so they need 10-12 sales/loans just to fit in everyone they already have.
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Grêmio has received a new offer for striker Alysson
Stats
Série A · Grêmio · 2025
31 Matches
1 Goals
2 Assists
6 Yellow cards
So a non-scoring striker. Proper false 9.
His aim isn't true.
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Very good.
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If they do then Chelsea will have at least a few forwards going out as well and I think Joao Pedro in particular would do well with us.
I like him too, really puts a shift in and technically gifted. £60m though, we can but wish. What I don't understand is why any ambitious player would want to join the footballing graveyard that is Chelsea FC?
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If they do then Chelsea will have at least a few forwards going out as well and I think Joao Pedro in particular would do well with us.
I like him too, really puts a shift in and technically gifted. £60m though, we can but wish. What I don't understand is why any ambitious player would want to join the footballing graveyard that is Chelsea FC?
I suspect the 8 year contract on offer might be one reason.
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If they do then Chelsea will have at least a few forwards going out as well and I think Joao Pedro in particular would do well with us.
I like him too, really puts a shift in and technically gifted. £60m though, we can but wish. What I don't understand is why any ambitious player would want to join the footballing graveyard that is Chelsea FC?
I suspect the 8 year contract on offer might be one reason.
I also suspect that the average twenty year old footballer wouldn't really consider the current club world champions and one of the most successful teams of their lifetime as a footballing graveyard.
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To get to the level where Chelsea would want you would require years of self belief and confidence that means players will believe they can make it there.
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Ivan Toney would be gettable I think, as he'd be looking to get into World Cup consideration.
And we could use someone who can take a penalty.
Might cause dressing room disruptions though,as he'd be contending with Ollie for club and country.
Might be advisable to pass on Toney. We could do without his disruptions.
Hasn’t he just been arrested?
I hadn't seen that he'd been arrested when I posted the suggestion.
Bad timing!
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We've supposedly bid £10m for a 19-year-old Brazilian winger at Gremio. The report said it's likely to be accepted. He's one of two players we were linked with last month when we scouted a specific fixture. Alysson Edward.
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I bet he's scored lots of goals.
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I bet he's scored lots of goals.
Knowing our luck he’ll probably be pictured in another English teams shirt, my guess would be Liverpool.
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If they do then Chelsea will have at least a few forwards going out as well and I think Joao Pedro in particular would do well with us.
I like him too, really puts a shift in and technically gifted. £60m though, we can but wish. What I don't understand is why any ambitious player would want to join the footballing graveyard that is Chelsea FC?
I suspect the 8 year contract on offer might be one reason.
A contract signed 8 years ago would be worth 34% less in real terms today. I can’t see the attraction
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We've supposedly bid £10m for a 19-year-old Brazilian winger at Gremio. The report said it's likely to be accepted. He's one of two players we were linked with last month when we scouted a specific fixture. Alysson Edward.
I'd find it more credible if we were linked with Alysson Eduardo.
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Jonathan David and Luis Openda not getting much of a look in at Juventus.
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If they do then Chelsea will have at least a few forwards going out as well and I think Joao Pedro in particular would do well with us.
I like him too, really puts a shift in and technically gifted. £60m though, we can but wish. What I don't understand is why any ambitious player would want to join the footballing graveyard that is Chelsea FC?
I suspect the 8 year contract on offer might be one reason.
A contract signed 8 years ago would be worth 34% less in real terms today. I can’t see the attraction
Edited for reasons of a sense of humour failure.
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Juve seems a dead-end for sexy soccer starlets.
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We've supposedly bid £10m for a 19-year-old Brazilian winger at Gremio. The report said it's likely to be accepted. He's one of two players we were linked with last month when we scouted a specific fixture. Alysson Edward.
Looks decent:
https://x.com/felpcomps/status/1996259012929630646?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
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Hmmm a highlights reel made up of the sort of showboating tricks that make you realise you're playing a twat at FIFA.
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Rapid
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Hmmm a highlights reel made up of the sort of showboating tricks that make you realise you're playing a twat at FIFA.
That reel instantly made me think of Adel Taarabt. All fart, no shit! Obviously still worth a punt for the price reported though.
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If Emery had got hold of Adel Taarabt he'd have been doubling up with his full back and in bed for 9.
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Quick and has a really good touch but the highlights don't show much end product so he'd probably need a while to settle, not someone who'd come in push for a spot straight away.
Looks like he might have a background in Futsal though by the way he plays, similar to a few Brazilians who've come through that way (including Doug).
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Honestly thought he looked a bit clumsy and raw.
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We've supposedly bid £10m for a 19-year-old Brazilian winger at Gremio. The report said it's likely to be accepted. He's one of two players we were linked with last month when we scouted a specific fixture. Alysson Edward.
Looks decent:
https://x.com/felpcomps/status/1996259012929630646?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Anyone who can do all that playing for Coventry must be alright.
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Quick and has a really good touch but the highlights don't show much end product so he'd probably need a while to settle, not someone who'd come in push for a spot straight away.
Looks like he might have a background in Futsal though by the way he plays, similar to a few Brazilians who've come through that way (including Doug).
In any case the lad’s only 19, think at the price he’d probably be worth a punt anyway.
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I really like the look of Morgan Whittaker at Boro. He’s been excellent in the games I have seen this season.
Definitely one for the (near) future
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I really like the look of Morgan Whittaker at Boro. He’s been excellent in the games I have seen this season.
Definitely one for the (near) future
Looked very good when at Plymouth where I saw him. At the time I thought he might be the next Morgan Rogers
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I really like the look of Morgan Whittaker at Boro. He’s been excellent in the games I have seen this season.
Definitely one for the (near) future
Sign.him up! The last player we signed from Boro hasn't been that bad...😍
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I really like the look of Morgan Whittaker at Boro. He’s been excellent in the games I have seen this season.
Definitely one for the (near) future
Looked very good when at Plymouth where I saw him. At the time I thought he might be the next Morgan Rogers
In his mid 20’s isn’t he?
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Not sure i'd be signing a 25 year old as one for the future.
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We've supposedly bid £10m for a 19-year-old Brazilian winger at Gremio. The report said it's likely to be accepted. He's one of two players we were linked with last month when we scouted a specific fixture. Alysson Edward.
Looks very much like Morgan Rogers in how he carries the ball.
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There's some talk online linking us to Mikel Jaurigizar from Bilbao. He'd be very expensive and I'm not sure where he'd fit, looks like he'd be cover for Tielemans and €60m is a big fee for a squad player.
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^^Unless Tielemans is being fattened for a trip to the big Pure Profit bucket?
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There's some talk online linking us to Mikel Jaurigizar from Bilbao. He'd be very expensive and I'm not sure where he'd fit, looks like he'd be cover for Tielemans and €60m is a big fee for a squad player.
I think it's a load of nonsense. "He's a Basque player, Emery is Basque, obviously Emery wants to sign him" kind of logic
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I agree, but it's a rumour so in here it goes. For me the price alone makes it highly unlikely. The Belgian lad linked a week or 2 back seems like a much more likely option.
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Alysson looks done for around 12m.
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Alysson looks done for around 12m.
Let's hope his aim is true.
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And he doesn't really want to go Chelsea.
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Or join Oliver’s Army at Palace.
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Nah, can't see the attraction.
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Is there any truth in this or is it just a rumour that's been spread around town?
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I'm a bit worried we might end up losing him to the Blose. Heard he grew up a big fan of Jasper Carrott after watching The Detectives.
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🚨💣 NEW: Aston Villa have agreed a deal to sign forward Alysson (19) from Grêmio for €10m + €2.5m in add-ons — he will travel to Birmingham at the turn of the year to take medical exams & sign a contract.
@pdgremista
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🚨💣 NEW: Aston Villa have agreed a deal to sign forward Alysson (19) from Grêmio for €10m + €2.5m in add-ons — he will travel to Birmingham at the turn of the year to take medical exams & sign a contract.
@pdgremista
He looks similar to Rogers in style and stature. More a wide forward from a lot of the vids and seems to do his fair share of tracking back. Might be one Unai converts into a 9/10 but can do a bit of everything along the front.
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Alysson looks done for around 12m.
Let's hope his aim is true.
The first thought in my head when I heard the rumour was: listen close and don't be stoned.
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Feels like we were running a bit short of Brazilians after the departures of Coutinho, DC and DL.
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🚨💣 NEW: Aston Villa have agreed a deal to sign forward Alysson (19) from Grêmio for €10m + €2.5m in add-ons — he will travel to Birmingham at the turn of the year to take medical exams & sign a contract.
@pdgremista
He looks similar to Rogers in style and stature. More a wide forward from a lot of the vids and seems to do his fair share of tracking back. Might be one Unai converts into a 9/10 but can do a bit of everything along the front.
His defensive stats are brilliant, wouldn't surprise me if over time Unai does a Kenny Swain and converts him into a right wing back.
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🚨💣 NEW: Aston Villa have agreed a deal to sign forward Alysson (19) from Grêmio for €10m + €2.5m in add-ons — he will travel to Birmingham at the turn of the year to take medical exams & sign a contract.
@pdgremista
He looks similar to Rogers in style and stature. More a wide forward from a lot of the vids and seems to do his fair share of tracking back. Might be one Unai converts into a 9/10 but can do a bit of everything along the front.
His defensive stats are brilliant, wouldn't surprise me if over time Unai does a Kenny Swain and converts him into a right wing back.
I couldn't agree to that. He's a Brazilian winger. Unai should get him to become Jairzinho. I think that's what I want from my Brazilian wingers ... I want them to be Jairzinho basically. Including the hair. Especially the hair.
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Tap in merchant Fabrizio reporting it as done now too.
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Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
🚨🟣🔵 Aston Villa agree deal to sign Alysson from Gremio, here we go! 🇧🇷
€10m initial fee plus €2m add-ons for 19 year old Brazilian winger to join the club in January.
Alysson will undergo medical and sign at #AVFC by the end of December.
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Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
🚨🟣🔵 Aston Villa agree deal to sign Alysson from Gremio, here we go! 🇧🇷
€10m initial fee plus €2m add-ons for 19 year old Brazilian winger to join the club in January.
Alysson will undergo medical and sign at #AVFC by the end of December.
can we keep him Dad ?, Please Please Please
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He's got Vitória written all over him.
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He's got Vitória written all over him.
not more shit tattoos
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Guessing this will be another raw player with clear talent like Duran and Rogers and in 18 months time we will all be sucking farts out of his bumhole while the papers try to sell him for £100m.
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in 18 months time we will all be sucking farts out of his bumhole while the papers try to sell him for £100m.
You have some strange habits. I'm just glad I didn't visit the Blarney Stone right after you did.
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Guessing this will be another raw player with clear talent like Duran and Rogers and in 18 months time we will all be sucking farts out of his bumhole while the papers try to sell him for £100m.
that leaves a bad taste in my mouth
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in 18 months time we will all be sucking farts out of his bumhole while the papers try to sell him for £100m.
You have some strange habits. I'm just glad I didn't visit the Blarney Stone right after you did.
Or stayed in Baros/Emery's flat at the Mailbox.
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Good to see threads merged. Toronto going way too early again.
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Good to see threads merged. Toronto going way too early again.
He does go early and get me all excited alot !!
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Good to see threads merged. Toronto going way too early again.
It's the bane of Mrs TV's life.
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Come on, it's his birthday fortnight, give the fella a break.
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TV's premature signing threads always make me picture Harmison's first ball of the Ashes in 06.
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Is there any truth in this or is it just a rumour that's been spread around town?
Winner.
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Newcastle will face competition from Tottenham and Aston Villa to sign Manchester City's 23-year-old English goalkeeper James Trafford. (Football Insider)
Not sure why Newcastle who already have Pope and Ramsdale (albeit on loan) want Trafford. I'm also now sure I would want him either tbh.
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Me neither.
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Newcastle were set to sign him before Man City used their buy-back arrangement, so they clearly wanted him more than Ramsdale.
So if they can avoid signing Ramsdale permanently, it would make sense to get Trafford instead.
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Understandable as I've come to the conclusion that Ramsdale is shite.
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Yeah, I don't get the appeal either.
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Penny for Trafford's thoughts. Re-signed, looks like he's going to be no.1, plays well for them then they sign Donnarumma and he's relegated to reserve.
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Their version of Philogene?
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2-3 bits of business next month
Harvey will go back
Brazilian lad good as done
Club confident they will get a forward - could be another Brazilian
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2-3 bits of business next month
Harvey will go back
Brazilian lad good as done
Club confident they will get a forward - could be another Brazilian
ooooh Vinnie I like that !
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2-3 bits of business next month
Harvey will go back
Brazilian lad good as done
Club confident they will get a forward - could be another Brazilian
A forward to go into the starting line up?
Ball tingling if so.
My balls are tingling for the claret and blue 8)
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Club confident they will get a forward - could be another Brazilian
Or a Brazilian centre-half? https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/2000542508439203924
Certainly good looking enough to make it into our team.
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DF slightly Possible - however Mings almost back, plus Bogardes development.
Kamara can fill in also for needed.
Club still want a CB/RB - not sure what long term future Garcia has
Whether this type of move can happen next month, not sure
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2-3 bits of business next month
Harvey will go back
Brazilian lad good as done
Club confident they will get a forward - could be another Brazilian
A forward to go into the starting line up?
Ball tingling if so.
My balls are tingling for the claret and blue 8)
Would be with intention of immediate impact. Despite all of Unais praise publically for Ollie - they know it’s an issue
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2-3 bits of business next month
Harvey will go back
Brazilian lad good as done
Club confident they will get a forward - could be another Brazilian
A forward to go into the starting line up?
Ball tingling if so.
My balls are tingling for the claret and blue 8)
Would be with intention of immediate impact. Despite all of Unais praise publically for Ollie - they know it’s an issue
Cheers Vinnie.
Sounds like they have a little bit of money available then. Is it that other one we've seen mentioned? Forgot his name.
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Can we send Sancho back?
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2-3 bits of business next month
Harvey will go back
Brazilian lad good as done
Club confident they will get a forward - could be another Brazilian
A forward to go into the starting line up?
Ball tingling if so.
My balls are tingling for the claret and blue 8)
Maybe you need a Brazilian ;)
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If Atletico are looking to unload Alvarez, cheeky loan bid from Olabe would be just lovely.
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2-3 bits of business next month
Harvey will go back
Brazilian lad good as done
Club confident they will get a forward - could be another Brazilian
A forward to go into the starting line up?
Ball tingling if so.
My balls are tingling for the claret and blue 8)
Would be with intention of immediate impact. Despite all of Unais praise publically for Ollie - they know it’s an issue
Cheers Vinnie.
Sounds like they have a little bit of money available then. Is it that other one we've seen mentioned? Forgot his name.
Gonzalo Garcia from Real Madrid on loan? I think Unai will want somebody with a bit more experience.
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Endrick
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Off to Lyon isn't he?
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I thought so. But he's a Brazilian forward that's not signed a deal yet....
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Club confident they will get a forward - could be another Brazilian
Or a Brazilian centre-half? https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/2000542508439203924
Certainly good looking enough to make it into our team.
But not good enough...was washed out at Chelsea before he left.
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Club confident they will get a forward - could be another Brazilian
Or a Brazilian centre-half? https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/2000542508439203924
Certainly good looking enough to make it into our team.
But not good enough...was washed out at Chelsea before he left.
If he's good enough for Fluminense.....
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Wasn't there rumours of liking Thiago from Brentford a few months ago?
Edit: Just spotted it had appeared on the BBC gossip again today.
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Wasn't there rumours of liking Thiago from Brentford a few months ago?
Edit: Just spotted it had appeared on the BBC gossip again today.
I expect that we'll strengthen and I don't think our finances are as problematic as they were in the summer, but I still don't think we'll be chucking £60-70m on a player anytime soon.
And while I'm not suggesting they are the same or anything, a big young Brazilian who made his name at Club Brugge before coming to the Premier League and getting a serious injury feels a little bit "once bitten, twice shy" to me.
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Endrick
As Dave said, already at Lyon, training with them from what I've read. The other point is in the loan agreement, Real have a clause whereby he has to start something like 25 games. I couldn't see Uncle Unai ever agreeing to those conditions.
Oh and for the record I don't want Naymar. Never rated him, too much of a show pony.
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Not happy about Lyon strengthening, they’re one of our rivals for Europa League glory, let’s hope Endrick is absolute shite.
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It’s not often a team has a single glaring hole like we do for a decent winger. One player that provides a similar threat to Rogers and can unshackle Watkins. The impact could be huge.
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2-3 bits of business next month
Harvey will go back
Brazilian lad good as done
Club confident they will get a forward - could be another Brazilian
I watched Corinthians vs. Cruzeiro last night mainly to see Kaio Jorge, but he was pretty underwhelming despite an assist. The Ecuadorian winger, Keny Arroyo, caught my eye instead and looked very good.
Perhaps he thinks a move is coming and didn’t want to overdo it. All speculation of course. ;)
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but I still don't think we'll be chucking £60-70m on a player anytime soon.
If we're still in the mix for the title I think it would be worth rolling the dice, we're 12 goals short of the top two. Goal difference stopped us qualifying for the champions league last summer and Watkins isn't chipping in.
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We could afford it, we just can't spend it due to the restrictions we are under unless we get some money in for some of the other players.
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Their version of Philogene?
Jaden would be so shit in goal.
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but I still don't think we'll be chucking £60-70m on a player anytime soon.
If we're still in the mix for the title I think it would be worth rolling the dice, we're 12 goals short of the top two. Goal difference stopped us qualifying for the champions league last summer and Watkins isn't chipping in.
I do not doubt our owners feel the same but they are restricted by the rules.
Also I don’t think this Emery revolution is about betting the farm on 1 individual, it is a collective approach across the squad of constant development.
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It’s not often a team has a single glaring hole like we do for a decent winger. One player that provides a similar threat to Rogers and can unshackle Watkins. The impact could be huge.
It could be huge. But to find an electric winger going forward who is able to carry out defensive duties is extremely difficult. Watched Semenyo closely last night, electric on the ball but useless and lazy in defence. Eze is proving the same, thanks to him, we got our first goal against Arses.
Not sure Unai likes conventional wingers, doesn't suit his patterns!!
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Barca interested in Pau, according to A Man On The Internet.
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Barca interested in Pau, according to A Man On The Internet.
Straight swap for Raphinha?
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Barca interested in Pau, according to A Man On The Internet.
Given Mings is obviously miles better (see prevailing opinion ten months ago), maybe we should just sell Mings to Barcelona instead and make even more cash from this.
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Barca interested in Pau, according to A Man On The Internet.
Given Mings is obviously miles better (see prevailing opinion ten months ago), maybe we should just sell him to Barcelona and make even more cash from this.
We were getting better results when Mings played 8/10 months ago. That’s not an opinion.
Opinions are fine, but I’ll stick with facts on this one.
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Not happy about Lyon strengthening, they’re one of our rivals for Europa League glory, let’s hope Endrick is absolute shite.
Beware the Lyon in winter.
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Barca interested in Pau, according to A Man On The Internet.
Given Mings is obviously miles better (see prevailing opinion ten months ago), maybe we should just sell him to Barcelona and make even more cash from this.
We were getting better results when Mings played 8/10 months ago. That’s not an opinion.
Opinions are fine, but I’ll stick with facts on this one.
Let's get those Barcelona millions then.
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Barca interested in Pau, according to A Man On The Internet.
Given Mings is obviously miles better (see prevailing opinion ten months ago), maybe we should just sell him to Barcelona and make even more cash from this.
We were getting better results when Mings played 8/10 months ago. That’s not an opinion.
Opinions are fine, but I’ll stick with facts on this one.
We weren't though, were we. We are literally on our best top flight run since 1989/90, mate.
Lindelof has done well but he is a squad player, not someone we want playing twenty-thirty games a season. Top teams have at least three or four high quality centre-halves. We need to stop being in a desperate rush to sell our star players as soon as some European Scab League team flashes a bit of ankle.
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Barcelona don't have a pot to piss in. They're not giving us decent money for Pau.
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Club still want a CB/RB - not sure what long term future Garcia has
Whether this type of move can happen next month, not sure
We have Modou Kéba Cissé arriving in June.
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Barca interested in Pau, according to A Man On The Internet.
Given Mings is obviously miles better (see prevailing opinion ten months ago), maybe we should just sell him to Barcelona and make even more cash from this.
We were getting better results when Mings played 8/10 months ago. That’s not an opinion.
Opinions are fine, but I’ll stick with facts on this one.
Let's get those Barcelona millions then.
Why? The facts have changed.
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Barca interested in Pau, according to A Man On The Internet.
Given Mings is obviously miles better (see prevailing opinion ten months ago), maybe we should just sell him to Barcelona and make even more cash from this.
We were getting better results when Mings played 8/10 months ago. That’s not an opinion.
Opinions are fine, but I’ll stick with facts on this one.
We weren't though, were we. We are literally on our best top flight run since 1989/90, mate.
I’m on about 8/10 months ago. There’s a clue in the post.
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If the current results at the moment are the best since 1989, then they were also the best since 1989 8/10 months ago.
There is also another causality rabbit hole to go down around whether we were getting the results we were getting 8/10 months ago because of Mings, but life is too short for that.
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Barca interested in Pau, according to A Man On The Internet.
Given Mings is obviously miles better (see prevailing opinion ten months ago), maybe we should just sell him to Barcelona and make even more cash from this.
We were getting better results when Mings played 8/10 months ago. That’s not an opinion.
Opinions are fine, but I’ll stick with facts on this one.
Let's get those Barcelona millions then.
Why? The facts have changed.
I don't think anything has changed. My opinion on what our best back five is is the same as it was eighteen months ago, and eight months ago.
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Barca interested in Pau, according to A Man On The Internet.
Given Mings is obviously miles better (see prevailing opinion ten months ago), maybe we should just sell him to Barcelona and make even more cash from this.
We were getting better results when Mings played 8/10 months ago. That’s not an opinion.
Opinions are fine, but I’ll stick with facts on this one.
We weren't though, were we. We are literally on our best top flight run since 1989/90, mate.
I’m on about 8/10 months ago. There’s a clue in the post.
I know. We are on our best top flight run since 1989/90. 8/10 months ago was not longer ago than 1989/90.
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In defence of percy, I don't think he's comparing eras in his post. He's specifically comparing Mings and Pau last season. "Our performances with Mings were better than those with Pau".
Not "our run last season was better than the one this season"
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Ah okay, fair enough. This season, though, we have undoubtedly tended to get better results during the period of the season when Torres was mostly playing than when Mings was mostly playing. I'm still pretty keen on Torres and Mings and we would be mad to let either of them go, especially as we would get next to nothing for Mings given his injury record.
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It’s not often a team has a single glaring hole like we do for a decent winger. One player that provides a similar threat to Rogers and can unshackle Watkins. The impact could be huge.
It could be huge. But to find an electric winger going forward who is able to carry out defensive duties is extremely difficult. Watched Semenyo closely last night, electric on the ball but useless and lazy in defence. Eze is proving the same, thanks to him, we got our first goal against Arses.
Not sure Unai likes conventional wingers, doesn't suit his patterns!!
We don't really play with conventional wingers so not sure why the panic to fix this glaring hole. Bailey did well on the right for sure for a spell, Rashford was tried on the left but eventually pushed up front. Same for Malen. Philogene, Sancho, Guessand, Elliot all signed to compete out wide but failed. Maybe Zaniolo too. The wide positions in our midfield are difficult roles to play, tactically and technically. McGinn excels in it. Ramsey gave us great balance on the left at his best too. That's the kind of profile we need, the next mini McGinn.
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Barca interested in Pau, according to A Man On The Internet.
Given Mings is obviously miles better (see prevailing opinion ten months ago), maybe we should just sell him to Barcelona and make even more cash from this.
We were getting better results when Mings played 8/10 months ago. That’s not an opinion.
Opinions are fine, but I’ll stick with facts on this one.
Let's get those Barcelona millions then.
Why? The facts have changed.
I don't think anything has changed. My opinion on what our best back five is is the same as it was eighteen months ago, and eight months ago.
Obviously, you’re entitled to an opinion. I’m on about facts. Mings and Pau were swapping with regularity towards the end of last season. We got better results when Mings played.
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And this season?
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It’s not often a team has a single glaring hole like we do for a decent winger. One player that provides a similar threat to Rogers and can unshackle Watkins. The impact could be huge.
It could be huge. But to find an electric winger going forward who is able to carry out defensive duties is extremely difficult. Watched Semenyo closely last night, electric on the ball but useless and lazy in defence. Eze is proving the same, thanks to him, we got our first goal against Arses.
Not sure Unai likes conventional wingers, doesn't suit his patterns!!
We don't really play with conventional wingers so not sure why the panic to fix this glaring hole. Bailey did well on the right for sure for a spell, Rashford was tried on the left but eventually pushed up front. Same for Malen. Philogene, Sancho, Guessand, Elliot all signed to compete out wide but failed. Maybe Zaniolo too. The wide positions in our midfield are difficult roles to play, tactically and technically. McGinn excels in it. Ramsey gave us great balance on the left at his best too. That's the kind of profile we need, the next mini McGinn.
Do we know why did we sell Ramsey? Only cause money or might also be not exactly what we needed as well.
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Cos we were skint.
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It’s not often a team has a single glaring hole like we do for a decent winger. One player that provides a similar threat to Rogers and can unshackle Watkins. The impact could be huge.
It could be huge. But to find an electric winger going forward who is able to carry out defensive duties is extremely difficult. Watched Semenyo closely last night, electric on the ball but useless and lazy in defence. Eze is proving the same, thanks to him, we got our first goal against Arses.
Not sure Unai likes conventional wingers, doesn't suit his patterns!!
We don't really play with conventional wingers so not sure why the panic to fix this glaring hole. Bailey did well on the right for sure for a spell, Rashford was tried on the left but eventually pushed up front. Same for Malen. Philogene, Sancho, Guessand, Elliot all signed to compete out wide but failed. Maybe Zaniolo too. The wide positions in our midfield are difficult roles to play, tactically and technically. McGinn excels in it. Ramsey gave us great balance on the left at his best too. That's the kind of profile we need, the next mini McGinn.
You’re right, mostly. My justification for a pacy forward is because they’d be a point of difference. We are well stocked for players like Morgan, McGinn, Youri, Buendia and even Elliot. Ideally we need one of the three to be express pace and looking to get behind the opposition, like Bailey did for 12-months and how Rashford was used.
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We were much better with a really good pacy winger (or two) than without in the previous two seasons. Someone in the Rashford class could make the difference between being top five contenders and title contenders in May.
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Cos we were skint.
It does stick in the craw that we're paying Sancho more than Ramsey wanted.
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And this season?
I can’t imagine we’d be getting better results this season with Mings playing. So I’d rather Torres play. I’m funny like that, I always want the players who get the best results to play. I put it down to me being a Villa fan and wanting Villa to win.
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Cos we were skint.
It does stick in the craw that we're paying Sancho more than Ramsey wanted.
Yes, but it’s nothing to do with being skint, as we all know.
I’m sure we could go out and try and buy the very best players in the world, if we were allowed to.
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So we seem to agree.
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Cos we were skint.
Skint never, Restricted definitely
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It’s not often a team has a single glaring hole like we do for a decent winger. One player that provides a similar threat to Rogers and can unshackle Watkins. The impact could be huge.
It could be huge. But to find an electric winger going forward who is able to carry out defensive duties is extremely difficult. Watched Semenyo closely last night, electric on the ball but useless and lazy in defence. Eze is proving the same, thanks to him, we got our first goal against Arses.
Not sure Unai likes conventional wingers, doesn't suit his patterns!!
We don't really play with conventional wingers so not sure why the panic to fix this glaring hole. Bailey did well on the right for sure for a spell, Rashford was tried on the left but eventually pushed up front. Same for Malen. Philogene, Sancho, Guessand, Elliot all signed to compete out wide but failed. Maybe Zaniolo too. The wide positions in our midfield are difficult roles to play, tactically and technically. McGinn excels in it. Ramsey gave us great balance on the left at his best too. That's the kind of profile we need, the next mini McGinn.
You’re right, mostly. My justification for a pacy forward is because they’d be a point of difference. We are well stocked for players like Morgan, McGinn, Youri, Buendia and even Elliot. Ideally we need one of the three to be express pace and looking to get behind the opposition, like Bailey did for 12-months and how Rashford was used.
Sure, would be good to have the option but is it a priority? Unless they are a very good footballer they will struggle to fit in our midfield. It's rare enough teams press high against us these days for a rapid forward to take advantage of. West Ham dropped off naturally but that left space behind their midfield for the likes of McGinn and Rogers to drive into. Another former player, Grealish, like Ramsey would have been perfectly suited to that setup. That profile of another strong runner with the ball would be better I think rather than a pacy forward. Guessand and Sancho don't fit the bill. Move Malen on and get a younger quicker Watkins sure but not sure that player is out there in January.
We have options in lots of positions but right back and right mid are very light and priorities to address for me. McGinn to Guessand is just a huge drop off in quality. Cash to Lindelof is similar as we saw in the EL games.
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I presume Garcia will get a chance at some stage, unless we revert to Ezri/Lamarre should Cash get injured/suspended.
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Cos we were skint.
It does stick in the craw that we're paying Sancho more than Ramsey wanted.
totally with you there, bro.
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RB seems covered.I'm enjoying the love for Matty Cash but a suitable replacement could also be Bogarde who is developing into an excellent player.
The quandary is a left sided wide player or a central attacker.Our spending limits might restrict the choice of the striker.We do need more goals.
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Cos we were skint.
It does stick in the craw that we're paying Sancho more than Ramsey wanted.
Possibly but we did not pay the £40mil we got for Ramsey for Sancho and we can (i hope) fuck him off back there soon
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Spurs open to selling Brennan Johnson. The solution to our wing-woes? He's probably close-pals with Morgz too (aren't they all?). Might help keep our world player of the year settled for another while.
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I like him, but my Spursy mate he’s dead sound, doesn’t rate him. I think I only ever see the MOTD highlight real of him.
Saying that, I reckon this season must be the most times I’ve ever watched MOTD. What a run!
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I don't think Brennan Johnson is all that good either.
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He's mastered the Raheem Sterling move of turning up a yard out at the back post and make a career of tapping it in.
Not that that's a bad thing. Plenty of Bailey's goals two years ago were that move.
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I think Unai could make him into a great player. I rate him but hes just not clicked at Spurs.
If the price is right and Unai wants him I think it would be great addition.
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Johnson peaked about two years ago. He’s a lightweight who has no further useful marrow left. He will drift to a bottom half team or championship very soon.
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A spurs podcaster said he is an amazing finisher, but not great at the normal winger tasks. So £50m for an El Ghazi.
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Johnson peaked about two years ago. He’s a lightweight who has no further useful marrow left. He will drift to a bottom half team or championship very soon.
My uncle doesn't rate him either.
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A spurs podcaster said he is an amazing finisher, but not great at the normal winger tasks. So £50m for an El Ghazi.
Reading comments online from Spurs fans last year,that is a good summary of him,very good finisher but can't beat a player.
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Emery was interested in him before Spurs came in for him.
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Johnson can't get into a mediocre Tottenham team. Never seen what all the fuss was about with him. He has a bit of pace. What else?
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Barnes from Newcastle would be a better option than Johnson (if it was an option).
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Barnes from Newcastle would be a better option than Johnson (if it was an option).
Doesn't he play on the left ?
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Johnson seems like a player Emery would like, someone who he can get back to his best, maybe this seasons January loan
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I'd take Brennan Johnson over Guessand and Sancho.
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That doesn't seem like the highest of bars at the moment.
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Point is he'd improve us in terms our plan Bs.
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Spurs would want £50m for Johnson. No thanks
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Didn’t realize they paid 47.5m for him. That seems rather a lot.
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Hard no from me, Johnson is shite, like the team he plays for.
The only two players I'd be interested in from them are Van De Ven or Kulusevski, the rest can get fucked.
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Hard no from me, Johnson is shite, like the team he plays for.
The only two players I'd be interested in from them are Van De Ven or Kulusevski, the rest can get fucked.
I like the clarity of this post, which I agree with wholeheartedly.
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Not for the winter, but I wonder if we might not look to bring in a long-term wide-forward in January - with the hope that we are playing in the Champions League again next season and Barcelona having no money, and we haven't ruled out Rashford being our plan / hope for that position.
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Johnson is the epitome of a Spurs signing. That’s all that needs saying. I’d have him instead of Guessand though.
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Wow, Rash coming back... imagine that. He might consider it a climbdown for his brand.
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I always thought he was all huff and puff with no end product and a bit goofy to boot
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Not for the winter, but I wonder if we might not look to bring in a long-term wide-forward in January - with the hope that we are playing in the Champions League again next season and Barcelona having no money, and we haven't ruled out Rashford being our plan / hope for that position.
It's a lovely thought.
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Not for the winter, but I wonder if we might not look to bring in a long-term wide-forward in January - with the hope that we are playing in the Champions League again next season and Barcelona having no money, and we haven't ruled out Rashford being our plan / hope for that position.
Hasn't the Barca coach come out saying something silly like if Rashford isn't signed, he'll leave? He's playing his best football in years, seems to love it there, he certainly doesn't want to go back to Man U, not sure I'd want an unhappy player on our books.
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Not for the winter, but I wonder if we might not look to bring in a long-term wide-forward in January - with the hope that we are playing in the Champions League again next season and Barcelona having no money, and we haven't ruled out Rashford being our plan / hope for that position.
Hasn't the Barca coach come out saying something silly like if Rashford isn't signed, he'll leave? He's playing his best football in years, seems to love it there, he certainly doesn't want to go back to Man U, not sure I'd want an unhappy player on our books.
Stop spoiling things.
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Johnson peaked about two years ago. He’s a lightweight who has no further useful marrow left. He will drift to a bottom half team or championship very soon.
Agree - will replace Grealish at next season on loan en route to QPR or Cardiff should they recover.
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Not for the winter, but I wonder if we might not look to bring in a long-term wide-forward in January - with the hope that we are playing in the Champions League again next season and Barcelona having no money, and we haven't ruled out Rashford being our plan / hope for that position.
Would be a thing of beauty.
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Not for the winter, but I wonder if we might not look to bring in a long-term wide-forward in January - with the hope that we are playing in the Champions League again next season and Barcelona having no money, and we haven't ruled out Rashford being our plan / hope for that position.
It's a lovely thought.
This would be amazing if we could make it happen.
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Try and get a loan in to cover or provide competition for Watkins in January then I can see us going for Nicholas Jackson in the Summer.
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Posted way back at the time prior to his move to spurs. But we were in for Brennan at that time. Unai rates him
Not heard anything about it this time round but if he was available for say £30m mark (is what’s being banded around) and a loan to buy (like Elliott deal) was available then I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Unai was keen for it
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The internet chatter seems to be that Brennan Johnson is off to Palace.
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The internet chatter seems to be that Brennan Johnson is off to Palace.
Thank fuck
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Manchester United, Manchester City, Liverpool and Tottenham have opened talks with 25-year-old Ghana winger Antoine Semenyo over a £65m move but must wrap up a deal with Bournemouth by 10 January to secure his services. (The i - subscription required)
Those rules eh. Nice and fair.
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The internet chatter seems to be that Brennan Johnson is off to Palace.
Thank fuck
Watch him be a world beater at Palace.
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The internet chatter seems to be that Brennan Johnson is off to Palace.
Thank fuck
Watch him be a world beater at Palace.
I don't really see why people are so quick to write him off, It hasn't worked out at spurs but they've been a mess. A bit of Unai magic and I think he would be a great signing for us. Hes rapid which is what we have lacked a bit on the right hand side and can chip in with goals.
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I don't really see why people are so quick to write him off, It hasn't worked out at spurs but they've been a mess. A bit of Unai magic and I think he would be a great signing for us. Hes rapid which is what we have lacked a bit on the right hand side and can chip in with goals.
I agree. He's tenacious and has some decent skill. Not sure we'd want to pay what Spuds would want for him, though, so I suspect he won't be coming to VP.
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Spurs will ask for silly money.
Around £20m and I think he’d be a good squad option. North of that and the player really needs to be first XI and I don’t think he is that.
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He's not good enough for a shite Spurs team, we can do much, much better.
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I think he'd suit us quite well and I thought he was older than 24. I understand the could do better thoughts though.
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Johnson has someonthinv our team desperately lacks pace. Rather johnson than sancho tbh
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He's not good enough for a shite Spurs team, we can do much, much better.
I think if he gets good coaching and instruction he will improve. I don’t think he’s a bad player. Scored plenty of goals and was very good at Forest. Just judging anyone just on their Spurs career doesn’t tell the full story.
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Wouldn't be disappointed with Johnson at the right price. Spurs paid about £47m though and would try to get most of that back. Not worth anywhere near that.
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Good player, he’ll improve us
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He's not good enough for a shite Spurs team, we can do much, much better.
This. Johnson is lightweight and will not improve us.
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Johnson on.
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He's not good enough for a shite Spurs team, we can do much, much better.
This. Johnson is lightweight and will not improve us.
I mean?, we have a lightweight left winger, that is ineffective and a player on the right that’s not lightweight, but has the acceleration of a freight train. Brennan Johnson will definitely improve us.
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I would rather schade than johnson tbh
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Kev reminds me of a fit Ollie.
Doesn't score that many goals, though.
(Taps fingers while waiting for Smirker's next post...)
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Who’s Kev?
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I would rather schade than johnson tbh
TBF they’re a smooth operator
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Who’s Kev?
The Fulham lad. I doubt he knows his natural nickname.
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Who’s Kev?
The Fulham lad. I doubt he knows his natural nickname.
I’m still lost.
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For this transfer window I think we need a striker and a right winger. Still.
Right back would be nice, but I think Bogarde can do a defensive job there if Cash is out.
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I wonder if - if the stats say what folk say they are, and teams have worked out how to nullify our attacks, and we’ve switched to more long range shots rather than working the ball in to the box … well that might be a bigger cause for Ollie not scoring so much and in fact any striker we play in the centre forward role might struggle to be prolific.
Just a thought, might be miles off of course.
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If we buy someone, we need to make sure we get value for money. From what I can gather, Johnson is a bit of a sicknote.... I think he's an alright player and one that I think Emery could improve, but I'd be concerned that he'd spend most of his time on the treatment table than on the pitch.
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I wonder if - if the stats say what folk say they are, and teams have worked out how to nullify our attacks, and we’ve switched to more long range shots rather than working the ball in to the box … well that might be a bigger cause for Ollie not scoring so much and in fact any striker we play in the centre forward role might struggle to be prolific.
Just a thought, might be miles off of course.
I think there is a lot to this, as well as having no functioning wingers.
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I wonder if - if the stats say what folk say they are, and teams have worked out how to nullify our attacks, and we’ve switched to more long range shots rather than working the ball in to the box … well that might be a bigger cause for Ollie not scoring so much and in fact any striker we play in the centre forward role might struggle to be prolific.
Just a thought, might be miles off of course.
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I wonder if - if the stats say what folk say they are, and teams have worked out how to nullify our attacks, and we’ve switched to more long range shots rather than working the ball in to the box … well that might be a bigger cause for Ollie not scoring so much and in fact any striker we play in the centre forward role might struggle to be prolific.
Just a thought, might be miles off of course.
This fella might agree with you.
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But in the last three league games we've scored 9 goals. Only the Rogers winner against West Ham was from outside the box.
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Everything we do, however we do it, is apparently unsustainable !!!
Fuck everyone, we will just continue on our march to greatness.
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Everything we do, however we do it, is apparently unsustainable !!!
Fuck everyone, we will just continue on our march to greatness.
Just like the season we finished 4th we just kept catching top teams on an off day seemed to be the narrative.
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But in the last three league games we've scored 9 goals. Only the Rogers winner against West Ham was from outside the box.
So of the 8 goals we've scored inside the box in that run Watkins scored 2, was instrumental in the OG for a 3rd and wasn't on the pitch for 2 more.
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We must sign/loan a striker or improve the service to Watkins.
Depends on what you think the problem is.
Every where else can wait until the summer.
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We need another option at RB, as we do at LB. Hopefully, Garcia can come back and kick-on, I really liked him before his injury.
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All I want for Christmas is a winger/striker like Rashy. So I'm slightly more demanding than Mariah.
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Bring Rashy home…
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David Moller Wolfe being linked from Wolves in the bbc gossip page.
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David Moller Wolfe being linked from Wolves in the bbc gossip page.
Footy insider, so 99.9% sure it’ll be bollocks.
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Left back? Probably about the last position we need.
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I don’t think Wolves have anyone left worth taking. They’ve been completely stripped of anything any good over the last few years. Hence 2 points all season.
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Surely we have some heart, we can’t take Wolfe from Wolves.
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We need another option at RB, as we do at LB. Hopefully, Garcia can come back and kick-on, I really liked him before his injury.
We need 3 first-team ready left-backs?
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I could see Wolfe at 23 being considered as Digne's replacement. However how good is he in the Prem and why would we want him in Jan with a limited spend and more important areas to address?
But I wouldn't rule him out just because he is at the Wolves at the moment. We saw ourselves 10 years ago that young Europeans dropped into a team who had given up across the board from owners down, is not the best time to judge them.
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Maybe trade out Malen and replace him with a more genuine challenger for Watkins?
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I could see Wolfe at 23 being considered as Digne's replacement. However how good is he in the Prem and why would we want him in Jan with a limited spend and more important areas to address?
But I wouldn't rule him out just because he is at the Wolves at the moment. We saw ourselves 10 years ago that young Europeans dropped into a team who had given up across the board from owners down, is not the best time to judge them.
We will need to replace Digne pretty soon so maybe go for him in the summer, to keep the Wolfe from the door.
Ok, ok, its early and I'm hungover.
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We need another option at RB, as we do at LB. Hopefully, Garcia can come back and kick-on, I really liked him before his injury.
We need 3 first-team ready left-backs?
Another option at RB like we have options at LB, just to clear that up. But you may be on to something, a bid for Cucurella in Jan? Ahem.
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We need another option at RB, as we do at LB. Hopefully, Garcia can come back and kick-on, I really liked him before his injury.
We need 3 first-team ready left-backs?
Another option at RB like we have options at LB, just to clear that up. But you may be on to something, a bid for Cucurella in Jan? Ahem.
Ah I see. Soz.
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Maybe trade out Malen and replace him with a more genuine challenger for Watkins?
No way i would keep malen all day. A good squad player to have
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Maybe trade out Malen and replace him with a more genuine challenger for Watkins?
No way i would keep malen all day. A good squad player to have
He's not exactly on squad player wages. He is a useful option to have but poor leading the line by himself.
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Yup. although Malens had a very effective season, I'd reckon his wage to minutes on pitch ratio will count against him whenever we feel a financial squeeze.
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Malen’s goals per ratio though have been priceless, we’d be mad to replace him. He’s a brilliant alternative option or great when up alongside someone. Surely now we’re up with the big boys, we want to keep different options but look for an upgrade on Ollie’s role?
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Maybe trade out Malen and replace him with a more genuine challenger for Watkins?
No way i would keep malen all day. A good squad player to have
He's not exactly on squad player wages. He is a useful option to have but poor leading the line by himself.
I would rather cash in on buendia while his forms good as we can get a higher fee. Ithink malen offers us something different
My other plan is just send sancho back as he has been much worse and more wasted wages
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Hang on, Wolves have a guy called Wolfe? And they're still as scary as David Bowie in a clown suit.
Wolfgang Wolf managing Wolfsburg for five years either side of the millennium remains without equal in footballing nominative determinism. Unless Dave can think of a better example...p
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Hopefully those in charge of recruitment can do the absolute max to help Unai and the squad. We are in an amazing position and the positivity a couple of key signings or loans could be crucial in maintaining our top 4 status and a push for the Europa League.
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Hopefully those in charge of recruitment can do the absolute max to help Unai and the squad. We are in an amazing position and the positivity a couple of key signings or loans could be crucial in maintaining our top 4 status and a push for the Europa League.
If we could get close to the impact we got from Asensio and Rashford we could actually win the league
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Hopefully those in charge of recruitment can do the absolute max to help Unai and the squad. We are in an amazing position and the positivity a couple of key signings or loans could be crucial in maintaining our top 4 status and a push for the Europa League.
If we could get close to the impact we got from Asensio and Rashford we could actually win the league
He speaketh the truth.
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I agree that it might be a good time to cash in on Malen, whilst his stock is reasonably high.
Weirdly* watkin’s form makes this a requirement because we need an alternative yet someone needs to be sacrificed to create the room in the squad and headroom in the wages.
*I wouldn’t sell Watkins as the team has been shaped around his energy upfront which doesn’t appear to be what Malen offers.
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Can we ring a loan player in in the Jan window or are we already full up with them
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Can we ring a loan player in in the Jan window or are we already full up with them
We need to return someone if we want a domestic player, we're fine if we can find an abroad one.
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Hopefully those in charge of recruitment can do the absolute max to help Unai and the squad. We are in an amazing position and the positivity a couple of key signings or loans could be crucial in maintaining our top 4 status and a push for the Europa League.
If we could get close to the impact we got from Asensio and Rashford we could actually win the league
He speaketh the truth.
I wonder what the chances are of getting Asensio on loan from Fenerbahce? He's doing well there, but it's not like Turkish teams don't have form for signing players then letting them go again. He knows Unai and wouldn't need an acclimatisation period. We already know we couldn't afford his wages as a permanent signing, but maybe it's easier to account for as a loan than a permanent signing?
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Hopefully those in charge of recruitment can do the absolute max to help Unai and the squad. We are in an amazing position and the positivity a couple of key signings or loans could be crucial in maintaining our top 4 status and a push for the Europa League.
If we could get close to the impact we got from Asensio and Rashford we could actually win the league
He speaketh the truth.
I wonder what the chances are of getting Asensio on loan from Fenerbahce? He's doing well there, but it's not like Turkish teams don't have form for signing players then letting them go again. He knows Unai and wouldn't need an acclimatisation period. We already know we couldn't afford his wages as a permanent signing, but maybe it's easier to account for as a loan than a permanent signing?
If so, can he bring that mad bastard back with him as well?
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Maybe trade out Malen and replace him with a more genuine challenger for Watkins?
It's the season to be jolly not silly.
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I am on the page with bring Jhon boy back.
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Yes
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Vinnie any news on Forwards before we get bring back Jhon Boy Back Requests !!
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I'm baffled at the suggestion that selling Malen is a good idea.
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I'm baffled at the suggestion that selling Malen is a good idea.
Yep we also need a squad
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Malen’s goals per ratio though have been priceless, we’d be mad to replace him. He’s a brilliant alternative option or great when up alongside someone. Surely now we’re up with the big boys, we want to keep different options but look for an upgrade on Ollie’s role?
Agreed, at least regarding Malen. He has the best minutes/goal stats at the club other than Ross Barkley (121 minutes/1 goal), even better than Buendia (557 minutes/4 goals) with four goals from 541 minutes despite only 4 starts. He's also managed 3 goals in the Europa League. Plus, in response to Dante, he runs around a lot just like Watkins. The only difference I see other than the difference in goals scored between the two is Malen isn't a natural with his back to goal, something that Watkins is generally better at.
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I'm baffled at the suggestion that selling Malen is a good idea.
Yep we also need a squad
I’m guessing it’s on the proviso that another attacking player is signed and selling near his ceiling price.
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No to Duran. He only scored goals from outside the box.
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Re Asensio, are two loan moves in the same season allowed? I guess he didn't play for PSG whereas Harvey Elliott did for Liverpool hence him being fucked.
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Can we ring a loan player in in the Jan window or are we already full up with them
We need to return someone if we want a domestic player, we're fine if we can find an abroad one.
Ok thanks
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Re Asensio, are two loan moves in the same season allowed? I guess he didn't play for PSG whereas Harvey Elliott did for Liverpool hence him being fucked.
He's not on loan in Turkey, they signed him.
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Do we really have scope for these big signings given the financial restrictions?
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Thought about this long and hard. We should just go get Harry Kane. Scored 60 goals for club and country in 2025. Have Nas lash out a fraction of his billions on a league winning forward. Job done. Map out the parade route around the city.
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Thought about this long and hard. We should just go get Harry Kane. Scored 60 goals for club and country in 2025. Have Nas lash out a fraction of his billions on a league winning forward. Job done. Map out the parade route around the city.
I would be on board with this cunning plan
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Would it encompass Sherlock Street?
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No. He wouldn’t do all the excellent work Ollie does away from the pitch.
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No. He wouldn’t do all the excellent work Ollie does away from the pitch.
We should have a look at that Greta Thunberg, only 22 as well.
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Kane? You could have prime Haaland in the team, but without service even he would struggle. The person who passed the most to Ollie yesterday was Martinez and even his distribution was wayward, especially 1st half. Tielemans was anonymous and even his cross for the second goal was poor until Ollie made something of it.
Rogers is on fire atm, so you can't blame him for taking everything on because it's likely to end up in the back of the net.
Any incomings in Jan are going to have to be well judged, especially because of how well placed we are. We don't want another Cascarino situation.
Our team is a well knit group of honest players, who appear highly supportive of each other, whatever the form of individuals. Unai won't want to unsettle this.
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No. He wouldn’t do all the excellent work Ollie does away from the pitch.
Indeed, this needs to be appreciated. In same vein I have pressed upon Lady Olaftab that she should recognise all the good work I do outside the bedroom.
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Our team is a well knit group of honest players, who appear highly supportive of each other, whatever the form of individuals. Unai won't want to unsettle this.
Not sure it will factor into Emery's thinking. Think it was five players we brought in last January with two of them not even making the CL squad. He let Danny Ings go in his first transfer window when he was our top scorer at the time. If there's a deal to be done then history suggests the club won't think twice.
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No. He wouldn’t do all the excellent work Ollie does away from the pitch.
Indeed, this needs to be appreciated. In same vein I have pressed upon Lady Olaftab that she should recognise all the good work I do outside the bedroom.
She is lucky to have you.
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Can we bring in players purely for the premier league and not include them in the europa squad?
Thus giving us more wiggle room?
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Like Donny? Sure, who do you fancy?
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More talk on the BBC gossip page about Johnson as a possible January target.
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From Clubcall? 0898121148
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There was something in yesterday’s BBC gossip roundup linking us to Barcelona’s Ter Stegan. Not sure why we’d need a keeper as can’t see Martinez moving till the summer.
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There was something in yesterday’s BBC gossip roundup linking us to Barcelona’s Ter Stegan. Not sure why we’d need a keeper as can’t see Martinez moving till the summer.
How have Chevalier and Garcia got on at PSG/Barca? have they settled or could we revert to the 2024/25 plan this summer?
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From Clubcall? 0898121148
one of the few numbers I still remember
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There was something in yesterday’s BBC gossip roundup linking us to Barcelona’s Ter Stegan. Not sure why we’d need a keeper as can’t see Martinez moving till the summer.
How have Chevalier and Garcia got on at PSG/Barca? have they settled or could we revert to the 2024/25 plan this summer?
I think they’ve both been pretty steady, although Garcia has only recently returned from injury after been out for around a month. It’s unlikely they’d be available.
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There was something in yesterday’s BBC gossip roundup linking us to Barcelona’s Ter Stegan. Not sure why we’d need a keeper as can’t see Martinez moving till the summer.
How have Chevalier and Garcia got on at PSG/Barca? have they settled or could we revert to the 2024/25 plan this summer?
I think they’ve both been pretty steady, although Garcia has only recently returned from injury after been out for around a month. It’s unlikely they’d be available.
I saw an instagram clip which implied that Chevalier wasn’t working out and he’d been dropped for a Russian (?) keeper.
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Chevalier has been injured, not specifically dropped.
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Can’t say for certain but likely they were just rotating the squad. The Russian played in goal against Flamengo and apparently saved 4 penalties in the shootout. A different reserve keeper played in the French cup at the weekend and Chervalier and the other keeper were on the bench. Seems like two goalies on the bench is all the rage!
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There was something in yesterday’s BBC gossip roundup linking us to Barcelona’s Ter Stegan. Not sure why we’d need a keeper as can’t see Martinez moving till the summer.
How have Chevalier and Garcia got on at PSG/Barca? have they settled or could we revert to the 2024/25 plan this summer?
Not well for Chevalier at PSG. Locals not too keen on his decision making, and he has made a number of gaffes.
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Jarrod Bowen all day. Just what we need, a wide attacking player who is not lightweight and scores goals. Just gone 29 but a 3.5 year contract would be fine. England International. Think he's a Villa fan?
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He is very wide.
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There was something in yesterday’s BBC gossip roundup linking us to Barcelona’s Ter Stegan. Not sure why we’d need a keeper as can’t see Martinez moving till the summer.
How have Chevalier and Garcia got on at PSG/Barca? have they settled or could we revert to the 2024/25 plan this summer?
I think they’ve both been pretty steady, although Garcia has only recently returned from injury after been out for around a month. It’s unlikely they’d be available.
Unless this season drops off a cliff, is there anything to suggest he'll even be leaving in the summer?
The one obvious destination for him decided to buy someone else instead.
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Can’t say for certain but likely they were just rotating the squad. The Russian played in goal against Flamengo and apparently saved 4 penalties in the shootout. A different reserve keeper played in the French cup at the weekend and Chervalier and the other keeper were on the bench. Seems like two goalies on the bench is all the rage!
Deffo not going well for Chevalier.
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It will be interesting to see how much Arse, City, Chelsea and Liverpool spend in Jan having already gone mad in the Summer. Villa will be left window shopping. There is only so much that Unai can get from this squad before the £££ start to make the difference...
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Can’t say for certain but likely they were just rotating the squad. The Russian played in goal against Flamengo and apparently saved 4 penalties in the shootout. A different reserve keeper played in the French cup at the weekend and Chervalier and the other keeper were on the bench. Seems like two goalies on the bench is all the rage!
Deffo not going well for Chevalier.
I’ll bow to you’re superior knowledge, he’s probably got the more difficult task of replacing Donnerumma.
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Can’t say for certain but likely they were just rotating the squad. The Russian played in goal against Flamengo and apparently saved 4 penalties in the shootout. A different reserve keeper played in the French cup at the weekend and Chervalier and the other keeper were on the bench. Seems like two goalies on the bench is all the rage!
Deffo not going well for Chevalier.
I’ll bow to you’re superior knowledge, he’s probably got the more difficult task of replacing Donnerumma.
A lovely kebab for every believer.
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There was something in yesterday’s BBC gossip roundup linking us to Barcelona’s Ter Stegan. Not sure why we’d need a keeper as can’t see Martinez moving till the summer.
How have Chevalier and Garcia got on at PSG/Barca? have they settled or could we revert to the 2024/25 plan this summer?
I think they’ve both been pretty steady, although Garcia has only recently returned from injury after been out for around a month. It’s unlikely they’d be available.
Unless this season drops off a cliff, is there anything to suggest he'll even be leaving in the summer?
The one obvious destination for him decided to buy someone else instead.
Is the suggestion that Martinez could go to PSG? Because I'm not exactly sure he'd be all that welcome in Paris.
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There was something in yesterday’s BBC gossip roundup linking us to Barcelona’s Ter Stegan. Not sure why we’d need a keeper as can’t see Martinez moving till the summer.
How have Chevalier and Garcia got on at PSG/Barca? have they settled or could we revert to the 2024/25 plan this summer?
I think they’ve both been pretty steady, although Garcia has only recently returned from injury after been out for around a month. It’s unlikely they’d be available.
Unless this season drops off a cliff, is there anything to suggest he'll even be leaving in the summer?
The one obvious destination for him decided to buy someone else instead.
Is the suggestion that Martinez could go to PSG? Because I'm not exactly sure he'd be all that welcome in Paris.
Certainly not my suggestion, simply that Man Utd had the choice of him or Lammens in the summer and picked Lammens.
So there's no real reason they'd buy Emi next summer when they clearly had the opportunity to last summer and chose not to.
Take Man Utd out the equation and there aren't many other destinations unless he wants to hit the desert.
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Jarrod Bowen all day. Just what we need, a wide attacking player who is not lightweight and scores goals. Just gone 29 but a 3.5 year contract would be fine. England International. Think he's a Villa fan?
Assuming West Ham get relegated, I’d try and take him on loan until they come back up. Suits all parties but without the risk of spending £50m (?) on a player on his way down.
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Could we swap him for Ollie?
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I’d take Bowen all day long, but it’s a bit arrogant to think we can just snap up a player like that out on loan.
There will be a queue a mile long when he becomes available.
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He's a good player but signing him would be very John Gregory.
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He's a good player but signing him would be very John Gregory.
Exactly this.
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If West Ham go down they'll take a massive financial hit. No way would they be considering loaning their most valuable asset who is only going to decrease in value as he gets older.
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I’d put a bid in for Maguire.
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He's got a great head for high balls.
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He's a good player but signing him would be very John Gregory.
Exactly this.
Yeah agree completely. I’m hoping with our new Director of football we’re going to get so savvy shopping
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Jarrod Bowen all day. Just what we need, a wide attacking player who is not lightweight and scores goals. Just gone 29 but a 3.5 year contract would be fine. England International. Think he's a Villa fan?
Assuming West Ham get relegated, I’d try and take him on loan until they come back up. Suits all parties but without the risk of spending £50m (?) on a player on his way down.
his dad is the Villa fan.
be great in this villa side now to be fair.
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Bowen? I’m not sure if he’s past his best. He’s certainly not looking great and not beating his man like he used to. It might be the system, the poor quality around him, or like our Ollie, a confidence thing.
I wouldn’t gamble on him now though.
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A Bowen transfer doesn't make sense for January. It would mean West Ham have given up, and they're not quite dead and buried yet; and what it would cost for us to get him wouldn't make sense for a player who is nearly 30 years old - even in the summer window.
He'd be great for the team, but not a transfer that makes much sense financially or age-profile wise.
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Not likely a popular view but I’d take a punt on Toney on loan. Anywhere near his brentford form and we’d have a serious striker there. Great in the air, penalties and a killer in front of goal.
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Not for me, we seem to have a great team spirit and he's a dickhead.
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Not likely a popular view but I’d take a punt on Toney on loan. Anywhere near his brentford form and we’d have a serious striker there. Great in the air, penalties and a killer in front of goal.
Toney isn't coming back to the UK anytime soon. The amount of tax he would have to pay if he did means it's not going to happen.
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Oscar Bobb and Marmoush available shortly.
Marmoush would be quality for us
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Get Elmo to have a word.
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I’d take Bowen all day long, but it’s a bit arrogant to think we can just snap up a player like that out on loan.
There will be a queue a mile long when he becomes available.
There will be I’m sure. I don’t think it is arrogant though; West Ham will not want to sell their talisman and I cannot see the player agitating for a move either. We help them out by paying his wages and he gets top level football without destroying his relationship with the fans. When they get promoted he returns.
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Oscar Bobb and Marmoush available shortly.
Marmoush would be quality for us
marmoush and Rogers .. angel delight there
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Marmoush would be quality for us
Would be good for a song too.
I see a little silhouetto of a man,
Omar Marmoush, Omar Marmoush, will you do the Fandango?
His thunderbolts are lightning, very, very frightening....
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Oscar Bobb and Marmoush available shortly.
Marmoush would be quality for us
Would they want to sell to a rival.
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Why would Marmoush be available?
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Guess because the press are saving Semenyo wants to go to Man City there will be a forward available to go out
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I only want Marmoush if he can do the Mamushka.
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Guess because the press are saving Semenyo wants to go to Man City there will be a forward available to go out
Don’t they play on opposite sides? Oscar Bobb more likely to be bumped by a Semenyo signing (I suppose they also need to pretend to balance the books).
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I’d take Bowen all day long, but it’s a bit arrogant to think we can just snap up a player like that out on loan.
There will be a queue a mile long when he becomes available.
There will be I’m sure. I don’t think it is arrogant though; West Ham will not want to sell their talisman and I cannot see the player agitating for a move either. We help them out by paying his wages and he gets top level football without destroying his relationship with the fans. When they get promoted he returns.
What are you smoking?
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Marmoush has only been at city for 5 minutes. They won’t be selling him to us anytime soon unless it’s money + Rogers and that wouldn’t happen in January.
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I’d take Bowen all day long, but it’s a bit arrogant to think we can just snap up a player like that out on loan.
There will be a queue a mile long when he becomes available.
There will be I’m sure. I don’t think it is arrogant though; West Ham will not want to sell their talisman and I cannot see the player agitating for a move either. We help them out by paying his wages and he gets top level football without destroying his relationship with the fans. When they get promoted he returns.
What are you smoking?
Okay, I’ll shut up then.
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Perhaps Savinho or Oscar Bobb might be available - can see Bobb’s versatility being of appeal and we might have been linked with him before?
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I only want Marmoush if he can do the Mamushka.
She sent him scented letters And he received them with a strange delight
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Can’t say for certain but likely they were just rotating the squad. The Russian played in goal against Flamengo and apparently saved 4 penalties in the shootout. A different reserve keeper played in the French cup at the weekend and Chervalier and the other keeper were on the bench. Seems like two goalies on the bench is all the rage!
It's more problematic than this - Zabarnyi (the CB) is Ukrainian, and doesn't really want to have anything to do with Safonov which makes communication in defence a little tricky... so they'll keep playing Chevalier, or play Safonov and drop Zabarnyi.
It's the sort of squad politics that is refreshingly absent from Villa at the moment.
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Marmoush has only been at city for 5 minutes. They won’t be selling him to us anytime soon unless it’s money + Rogers and that wouldn’t happen in January.
Barely played this season though - barely an hour on the pitch in the league since the start of September and seems to be sixth choice attacker, even without Semenyo.
Feels a bit like they've decided they're now getting what he was supposed to give them from Cherkhi.
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Perhaps Savinho or Oscar Bobb might be available - can see Bobb’s versatility being of appeal and we might have been linked with him before?
Oscar Bobb is horseshit. And Savinho hasn't looked all that since they laundered him through their group clubs to get him into C115. Maybe Pep should try coaching the toys he's got into a better team rather than just buying shiny new ones to stockpile and ensure the game stays rigged in his favour.
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Perhaps Savinho or Oscar Bobb might be available - can see Bobb’s versatility being of appeal and we might have been linked with him before?
Oscar Bobb is horseshit. And Savinho hasn't looked all that since they laundered him through their group clubs to get him into C115. Maybe Pep should try coaching the toys he's got into a better team than just buying shiny new ones to stockpile and ensure the game stays rigged in his favour.
There was a bit of tattle about Man Utd wanting a new left sided player as they're not convinced by Dorgu who they bought a year ago.
It used to annoy me but now I just see it as the way we will beat all of them, with their profligacy and endless search for quick fixes.
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Was surprised how good Dorgu looked against us. Strong as an ox with a decent touch.
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I wish I was a footballer and Guardiola tried whispering in my ear on the pitch after a game. I'd love to tell him to fuck off.
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Was surprised how good Dorgu looked against us. Strong as an ox with a decent touch.
Exactly, he may have flaws but he's 21-22, strong, quick and a full international, loads to work with to improve him but no, let's go and buy somebody else has done that with instead.
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Was surprised how good Dorgu looked against us. Strong as an ox with a decent touch.
Agreed and by all accounts they are going to sack him off soon and get someone else in. Mad
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I’d take Bowen all day long, but it’s a bit arrogant to think we can just snap up a player like that out on loan.
There will be a queue a mile long when he becomes available.
I think Bowen would be a good signing for us at this point. Would be able to go straight into the side and would offer an extra attacking threat.
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Marmoush has only been at city for 5 minutes. They won’t be selling him to us anytime soon unless it’s money + Rogers and that wouldn’t happen in January.
Barely played this season though - barely an hour on the pitch in the league since the start of September and seems to be sixth choice attacker, even without Semenyo.
Feels a bit like they've decided they're now getting what he was supposed to give them from Cherkhi.
Cherki looks a great player but so did Marmoush when he first arrived. He hasn’t necessarily looked lacking in any area but then I don’t follow the progress of Man City signings in any great detail. I thought his lack of game time is purely down to Haaland being #1 and always available. Of course, that being the case he will start. Marmoush is a different sort of striker compared to Haaland. Not sure where the 6th choice you mention comes from but I suppose if the team is set up for Haaland then he will be down the pecking order.
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Marmoush has only been at city for 5 minutes. They won’t be selling him to us anytime soon unless it’s money + Rogers and that wouldn’t happen in January.
Barely played this season though - barely an hour on the pitch in the league since the start of September and seems to be sixth choice attacker, even without Semenyo.
Feels a bit like they've decided they're now getting what he was supposed to give them from Cherkhi.
Cherki looks a great player but so did Marmoush when he first arrived. He hasn’t necessarily looked lacking in any area but then I don’t follow the progress of Man City signings in any great detail. I thought his lack of game time is purely down to Haaland being #1 and always available. Of course, that being the case he will start. Marmoush is a different sort of striker compared to Haaland. Not sure where the 6th choice you mention comes from but I suppose if the team is set up for Haaland then he will be down the pecking order.
That there are five attackers who play ahead of him - Haaland, Foden, Cherkhi, Savinho, Bobb and Doku have all had more time on the pitch than him.
Last season he was playing like Alvarez had before him, behind Haaland, a bit like Rogers does for us. Now he's been cut out in favour of Doku (who Marmoush was playing ahead of last season) and Cherkhi.
So it's possible that he reintegrates himself, but them trying to get their money back feels more likely at the moment.
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I’d take Bowen all day long, but it’s a bit arrogant to think we can just snap up a player like that out on loan.
There will be a queue a mile long when he becomes available.
I think Bowen would be a good signing for us at this point. Would be able to go straight into the side and would offer an extra attacking threat.
He would be but he would face some major issues trying to leave because his family connections, then there is the problem that he is probably their best chance of staying up, not to mention the fee to get him.
So , simply no chance.
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How much do we have to spend in January, enough to sign former Sporting right winger, Abdul Fatawu from Leicester?
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How much do we have to spend in January, enough to sign former Sporting right winger, Abdul Fatawu from Leicester?
Fat who?
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How much do we have to spend in January, enough to sign former Sporting right winger, Abdul Fatawu from Leicester?
great player
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Based on Tanswell’s Athletic article today I wouldn’t expect much
Summary is we want a number 9 but won’t be able to sign anyone from a top European league in January
Personally, I’m concerned about the wide position. As we get deeper in to Europe and the battle for top 4 I don’t want to be relying on just Sancho and Guessand.
I’d be tempted to give Bailey another go but he’s been poor at Roma
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So you’d give a player who was below par for us and declined since “another go”?
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Bailey has shown he can be a genuine attacking threat and one of the best players in the league in fairly recent history.
I don't think we'll ever say that about Guessand, whatever other virtues he may or may not have.
If Buendia can bounce back in the manner he has, it's not beyond Bailey at his age to do similar.
But don't think it's a route we'll pursue. personally. I assume we will have agreed a fairly substantial loan fee for the year with Roma. And as Bailey would be one of our highest earners after the deal he agreed during his purple patch in winter 2023/24, we can't have him sitting on the bench or in the stands contributing nowt.
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Bailey has shown he can be a genuine attacking threat and one of the best players in the league in fairly recent history.
I don't think we'll ever say that about Guessand, whatever other virtues he may or may not have.
If Buendia can bounce back in the manner he has, it's not beyond Bailey at his age to do similar.
But don't think it's a route we'll pursue. personally. I assume we will have agreed a fairly substantial loan fee for the year with Roma. And as Bailey would be one of our highest earners after the deal he agreed during his purple patch in winter 2023/24, we can't have him sitting on the bench or in the stands contributing nowt.
According to the Love of Paul McGrath podcast, there is a loan fee (and wages covered obvs) plus an agreement to pay his amortisation cost for the year. Having listened only once and that being quite a while ago now, I can’t vouch for his source.
That sounds quite prohibitive about a return, ie. it would cost us a fair bit, but I suppose anything can be renegotiated.
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How much do we have to spend in January, enough to sign former Sporting right winger, Abdul Fatawu from Leicester?
Fat who?
The most fouled player in the Championship, he had an ACL injury last season so missed half a season. He's only 21 but such a massive talent. Not sure if Leicester would want to sell him now whilst they're still in with a chance of the play-offs but I'd love to see such a talent on our right wing.
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Bailey has shown he can be a genuine attacking threat and one of the best players in the league in fairly recent history.
I don't think we'll ever say that about Guessand, whatever other virtues he may or may not have.
Ever? With respect that's load of bollocks. Most players especially attackers coming to PL from top European Leagues struggle for a season or so.
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Just had a look at players whose contracts are expiring in the summer (and therefore may be available for a lower fee in January) on Transfermarkt.
Forwards:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/transfers/endendevertraege/statistik?plus=0&jahr=2026&ausrichtung=Sturm&spielerposition_id=alle&altersklasse=alle&land_id=0&yt0=Show
I don't think we'd be in for the big strikers in there (Gnabry, Lewandowski, Vlahovic); but noticed Harry Wilson in there. Didn't realise he was 28, but would be a great technical player to add to the squad.
Some interesting names further down the list - Memphis Depay is only 31 but playing in Brazil for some reason.
Looking at defenders, Oscar Mingueza (previously linked with us) is also out of contract in the summer.
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Even though I’ve become a big Matty Cash fan this season, I’d still love us to sign Mingueza. That would mirror our left-back strength and maybe give us a bit of cover for Konsa. Also, I was thinking Wilson would be a good signing when I heard some commentator mention his contract situation a while ago. Really good cover for SJM if we’re not after an out-and-out winger.
Depay, I’m not convinced but I could be won over.
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Depay is a decent player.
Although his name always reminds me of USSoccerguy on twitter, with Memphis The Pie.
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I'm not convinced he's the winningest trade we could make.
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Bailey has shown he can be a genuine attacking threat and one of the best players in the league in fairly recent history.
I don't think we'll ever say that about Guessand, whatever other virtues he may or may not have.
Ever? With respect that's load of bollocks. Most players especially attackers coming to PL from top European Leagues struggle for a season or so.
Cheers. Love your work always.
Happy to have a sportman's (or £) bet that the Guessmeister won't have 10 goals and 10 assists between now and the end of 2026/27 (if he even stays that long) for those who truly believe they've seen enough to suggest it's only a matter of time before he tears it up in C&B. There's blind loyalty and then there is just delusional behaviour.
Even on Bailey's debut against Watford away (in an otherwise average display) laid on an assist and looked vaguely like a footballer at times. He was MOTM a few weeks later v Everton at home before disappearing for a while due to a combination of injury and indifferent form. So the signs were there from the outset.
Soon after Unai took over, there was a definite improvement in his impact on games and consistency but he was still patchy. He just needed that consistent run of form to prove to himself as much as his doubters that the PL was the best place for him.
With Guessand consistency isn't really a worry. Misplacing simple passes, running the ball out of play and trying to knock the ball past his marker schoolyard-style and losing a 60/40 race have been consistent features of his time with us so far. Not being consistent and bucking that trend would be a step forward for him.
Though being generous, with a defensive forward :/ It's perhaps difficult to benchmark his effectiveness against the usual measure attacking players are subjected to.
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Guessand should be judged against his forebear, the half-useless Emile Heskey.
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Happy to have a sportman's (or £) bet that the Guessmeister won't have 10 goals and 10 assists between now and the end of 2026/27
Hmm, I think there's a chance he gets these in 18 months - maybe 25% (mostly on Emery's track record, rather than what we've seen of Guessand).
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Just had a look at players whose contracts are expiring in the summer (and therefore may be available for a lower fee in January) on Transfermarkt.
Forwards:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/transfers/endendevertraege/statistik?plus=0&jahr=2026&ausrichtung=Sturm&spielerposition_id=alle&altersklasse=alle&land_id=0&yt0=Show
I don't think we'd be in for the big strikers in there (Gnabry, Lewandowski, Vlahovic); but noticed Harry Wilson in there. Didn't realise he was 28, but would be a great technical player to add to the squad.
Only forward on that list who sparks my interest is our good friend El Kaabi. I’m not remotely concerned that he’s the same age as Kane, because his career record is one goal every 1.72 games. Ridiculous.
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The fact that we are even discussing bringing Bailey back shows how limited our options are in this window.
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Guessand will never score 10 goals for us. I haven't wrote him off, he's written himself off being shit. He'll be replaced in the Summer.
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He’s scored two already in quite limited circumstance based on him playing a defensive role. That’s two more than Sancho.
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He's not 'shit'. You apparently have written him off. And he keeps getting picked by our manager, in games we are winning , and is part of our great run.
He might not be what you want him to be, but he's clearly doing a job for the team.
I think we need to remember that Emery has built a team, of players with the right attitude, who work hard for each other and who don't cost the earth.
We're not Liverpool, ManU, ManC or Chelsea who can seemingly chuck half a billion quid in fees at a window; we're on an extremely tight budget and we're not buying the very best individuals out there but we are developing a team.
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Based on my knowledge of footballers I will Emery do the coaching of our players
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He's not 'shit'. You apparently have written him off. And he keeps getting picked by our manager, in games we are winning , and is part of our great run.
He might not be what you want him to be, but he's clearly doing a job for the team.
I think we need to remember that Emery has built a team, of players with the right attitude, who work hard for each other and who don't cost the earth.
We're not Liverpool, ManU, ManC or Chelsea who can seemingly chuck half a billion quid in fees at a window; we're on an extremely tight budget and we're not buying the very best individuals out there but we are developing a team.
Be that as it may but I’m still glad he’s in Morocco and not at Stamford Bridge
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I'd rather we have as strong a squad as possible and all our players available. I'm sure Unai would too.
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Divok Origi-gi-gi-gi is a free agent. We desperate?
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Divok Origi-gi-gi-gi is a free agent. We desperate?
No.
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was he at Forest for a bit ( but then wasn’t everyone)
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Divok Origi-gi-gi-gi is a free agent. We desperate?
If we're going for free Belgian strikers, I'd rather have Benteke back.
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Yeah, ffs we're going for the title, not trying to hit the 10 point mark like the neutered wolves down the road.
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Divok Origi-gi-gi-gi is a free agent. We desperate?
I saw that, and then read that he hasn’t played for Milan for over 600 days, which is probably a bad sign. That and the fact that he’s scored 2 goals in club football since leaving Liverpool in 2022.
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It's a gonzo suggestion at best. Would much rather bring our Keinan home, he's tearing it up. Maybe we have a buy-back for £1.5m...
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Are we that strapped for cash that our best option is Keinan - hopefully we will be able to get far better on loan for a few months
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Actually think Keinan would be a good bench option for quite a few PL teams, not necessarily us but those sides deploying the long throw he’d be useful as a physical option for last 15/20 mins of games
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I think we should base our choices on ability to improve the team and value rather than having player for us before, it’s irrelevant isn’t it?
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We must strengthen this window however we do it.
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I think we need to be smart and build for the future. We have enough to qualify for the Champions League and the title ain't happening. Absolutely perfect time to get some well sourced quality in with six months to get them ready.
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Can I have a striker, please Bob?
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Alysson should be in pretty quickly
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We could really do with someone ready cooked, so to speak, but in Unai we must trust.
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Can I have a striker, please Bob?
Big old lottery isn’t it - for every Woltemade / Eketike who has done ok there is a Sesko, Gyokores, Barry, Delap, Isak, Solanke who don’t hit ground running.
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Even Woltemade hasn't been that good yet.
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Even Woltemade hasn't been that good yet.
I don’t know about that. His header in the Sunderland game was a peach
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who's on our wish list?
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The window is officially open, lads! Enjoy the winter draught from your armchair.
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This guy, Ricardo Pepi (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ricardo-pepi/profil/spieler/627207), looks a decent shout as 2nd / back-up striker. Fulham are currently in the throes of cutting a deal but perhaps we might step in to secure him ...
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Can I have a striker, please Bob?
Big old lottery isn’t it - for every Woltemade / Eketike who has done ok there is a Sesko, Gyokores, Barry, Delap, Isak, Solanke who don’t hit ground running.
It is and there have been plenty of strikers who have come to the Premier League for astronomical fees in recent years and completely flopped. I think rather than spending a ridiculous amount on one player, you're probably better off in having 2/3 options sharing the load and rotating them. Has worked well for us with Watkins and Duran and then Watkins and Rashford.
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Any hope of getting Duran back? He's crazy but at his best unstoppable.
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Any hope of getting Duran back? He's crazy but at his best unstoppable.
Doubt it.
Wages would be an issue now as well.
Fuck him.
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And he wasn’t a team player, it’s all about him.
Not an Emery player.
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Oscar Bobb on loan to replace Elliot would be a good one - but not sure City would let him go to us now.
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If we can repeat last Jan in terms of quality then we should finish top 4, and hopefully win the Europa.
Much easier said than done though, I cannot see a Rashford or Asensio coming in sadly.
Elliott will go back, possibly Bailey comes back to us?
Would love a loan for Diaby until end of the season
Plenty of names not playing at their respective clubs, Disasi,Sterling,Bobb,Savinho etc at Chelsea and City to loan in
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Sterling?
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Oscar Bobb on loan to replace Elliot would be a good one - but not sure City would let him go to us now.
Injury risk - steer clear, IMHO.
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Sterling?
Is that some sort of joke? - where even is he these days?
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Plenty of names not playing at their respective clubs, Disasi,Sterling,Bobb,Savinho etc at Chelsea and City to loan in
Disasi is at Roma. There's a reason these players you list are not playing ...
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Just saying who’s available, I doubt we will be buying many (if any) established and currently playing premier league quality players in this window.
Rashford wasn’t playing when we loaned him in, and he had a great impact for us…..
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And Disasi is still at Chelsea, unless he has signed for Roma today?
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Someone up and coming is Agyemang at Derby, quite gangly and has a bit of pace about him.
I think they paid about £7m for him, but looks in the Duran mould
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He's 25, he's not really up and coming.
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Didn’t realise that PWS, he looks a bit of a raw talent still not someone approaching their peak
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Maybe another raid on Boro for Hayden Hackney..
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And Disasi is still at Chelsea, unless he has signed for Roma today?
Sorry - you're right; Roma have expressed interest in him.
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Maybe another raid on Boro for Hayden Hackney..
According to my Boro mate, Everton have had a £25m offer for HH turned down flat.
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Loan Ake and offer Wolves £15M for Strand-Larsen.
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Maybe another raid on Boro for Hayden Hackney..
According to my Boro mate, Everton have had a £25m offer for HH turned down flat.
So Boro are not going to have their pockets picked again.
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Loan Ake and offer Wolves £15M for Strand-Larsen.
Hard to do the former and I definitely wouldn't do the latter.
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Blimey, if people struggle with Ollie, I’d hate to think what a Strand Larsen thread would be like.
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Blimey, if people struggle with Ollie, I’d hate to think what a Strand Larsen thread would be like.
Well top strikers always take all their chances, see Ekiteke.
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The appeal of Strand Larsen is his ability to play as a 9, rather than prolific goal scoring (though I reckon he'd knock in a few for a good team), in contrast with a support striker like Malen.
Not saying he's the answer necessarily, but that potential did cross my mind watching him at VP.
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I've said for a while that Emery's track record suggests that any striker would likely excel under him in a way they hadn't before or after.
His successes at Valencia / Sevilla / Villarreal/ us, have all been built on the back of turning a solid, journeyman striker (in the case of the middle two clubs, more than one) into something that they never did again without Emery.
As a result, when we do end up chucking £40m+ at the eventual Watkins replacement, I'm going to be pretty excited to see the result, regardless of what they'd done in their career beforehand.
That said, Strand Larsen would definitely be at the lower end of the nipples-tingling scale.
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I've said for a while that Emery's track record suggests that any striker would likely excel under him in a way they hadn't before or after.
His successes at Valencia / Sevilla / Villarreal/ us, have all been built on the back of turning a solid, journeyman striker (in the case of the middle two clubs, more than one) into something that they never did again without Emery.
As a result, when we do end up chucking £40m+ at the eventual Watkins replacement, I'm going to be pretty excited to see the result, regardless of what they'd done in their career beforehand.
That said, Strand Larsen would definitely be at the lower end of the nipples-tingling scale.
that's why I said, above, that this guy, Ricardo Pepi, looks a decent shout as 2nd / back-up striker. Fulham are currently in the throes of cutting a deal but perhaps we might step in to secure him .
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I've said for a while that Emery's track record suggests that any striker would likely excel under him in a way they hadn't before or after.
His successes at Valencia / Sevilla / Villarreal/ us, have all been built on the back of turning a solid, journeyman striker (in the case of the middle two clubs, more than one) into something that they never did again without Emery.
As a result, when we do end up chucking £40m+ at the eventual Watkins replacement, I'm going to be pretty excited to see the result, regardless of what they'd done in their career beforehand.
That said, Strand Larsen would definitely be at the lower end of the nipples-tingling scale.
that's why I said, above, that this guy, Ricardo Pepi, looks a decent shout as 2nd / back-up striker. Fulham are currently in the throes of cutting a deal but perhaps we might step in to secure him .
I won't pretend to be an expert, but in terms of profile / high ceiling I reckon that Aghehowa at Porto feels like the one that could be attainable who could go on to be one of the actual best in the world.
We'd need to significantly smash our transfer record to make it happen though.
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Aghehowa does look like he'd be a good fit, he'd be on the list for me but Panichelli is still my preference, I think he'd be an absolute monster in an Emery team.
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Looked up Strand Larsen and they paid £27m for him, so would want £30m+
Don’t think we would throw that much at a back up for Ollie
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Looked up Strand Larsen and they paid £27m for him, so would want £30m+
Don’t think we would throw that much at a back up for Ollie
£40m is what they're apparently quoting West Ham, having rejected £55m from Newcastle in the summer.
The next time we spend big money on a striker it should be on Ollie's long term replacement, not his reserve.
The only argument is when that should happen.
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We need a Duran type that isn't bonkers. Someone that will be ok with maybe taking a year or two of sub and cup starts while learning to take over from Ollie.
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We need a Duran type that isn't bonkers. Someone that will be ok with maybe taking a year or two of sub and cup starts while learning to take over from Ollie.
Spot on. Aim a couple of years younger but with a higher ceiling. we could probably have two attempts at signing this bloke before Watkins is done and hopefully both could step up.
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Osula linked from Newcastle. Big Danish striker, aged 22.
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Osula linked from Newcastle. Big Danish striker, aged 22.
Like him. Raw, but has potential.
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The window is officially open, lads! Enjoy the winter draught from your armchair.
If that was a deliberate play on words, I salute it.
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Osula linked from Newcastle. Big Danish striker, aged 22.
Like him. Raw, but has potential.
We were linked with him at the back end of the summer. The barcode fans don't rate him but perhaps Unai sees something in him to work with. Loan to buy might make sense.
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Osula linked from Newcastle. Big Danish striker, aged 22.
Like him. Raw, but has potential.
We were linked with him at the back end of the summer. The barcode fans don't rate him but perhaps Unai sees something in him to work with. Loan to buy might make sense.
I was impressed by his pace in the first game of the season.
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Is there a touch of a young Watkins about him? Rumour was that the summer deal was cancelled because UEFA said they’d void the Ramsey revenue. Not sure if that would still stand though…
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The window is officially open, lads! Enjoy the winter draught from your armchair.
If that was a deliberate play on words, I salute it.
Thank you, I wouldn't normally Americanise but I'm falling for a girl from Harrogate who loves American Football. Not sure what to do about it.
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I don't know what I think of Osula, has a bit of Keinan Davis about him in that he does all the bits of the game outside the box well but just doesn't look like he's got any confidence or ability in front of goal.
Of course I've always seen Calvert-Lewin in the same way and he's managed to have a decent career and had a couple of good seasons so I'd say maybe but only for a sensible fee.
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In the papers and on twirra today that Deano wants Elliott on loan and it’s up to the player. If this is legal and HE goes for it that frees up a domestic loan spot for us.
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The window is officially open, lads! Enjoy the winter draught from your armchair.
If that was a deliberate play on words, I salute it.
Thank you, I wouldn't normally Americanise but I'm falling for a girl from Harrogate who loves American Football. Not sure what to do about it.
Maybe a punt upfield and hope for a fumble in the end zone.
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Thank you, I wouldn't normally Americanise but I'm falling for a girl from Harrogate who loves American Football. Not sure what to do about it.
Maybe a punt upfield and hope for a fumble in the end zone.
Hopefully his progress isn't frustrated by a tight end.
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Rumours hotting up on Kaio Jorge leaving Cruzeiro with wannabe 'the Real Madrid of South America' Flamengo making a €24m offer for the striker. It also includes throwing in a player plus a 10% share on any future sale taking the offer up to around €32m. The president of Cruzeiro says only €50m will do it which is unlikely to happen despite Jorge being the top striker in Brazil with 26 goals and 9 assists in 46 games in 2025.
He's 23 and reminds me very much of Watkins in that he's excellent in getting in the goal scoring positions, scores lots of Watkins type goals, technically he's better and has a very decent shot on him. The question is do we have the money? Jorge has had one great season though for his age that's no real surprise. If we are doing our shopping in Brazil this window, is there anyway we could construct a deal?
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He looks decent but that asking price is ludicrous given they signed him for €7m less than 18months ago after he really struggled in Italy. €25-30m would be fine but I doubt anyone would be going north of 50m.
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I don't think we will be spending serious money any time soon. They'll just introduce another rule to stop us if we try.
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He looks decent but that asking price is ludicrous given they signed him for €7m less than 18months ago after he really struggled in Italy. €25-30m would be fine but I doubt anyone would be going north of 50m.
Agree on the asking price being crazy, of course they can ask what they want, as did Boro with their £1m Rogers but considering the current offer would be a record in Brazilian league transfer history, it's no surprise that Flamengo have now pulled out. Disagree on his time in Italy, Juventus bought him for €3m and sold him for €7m. He was just a kid so to have to look at realistic expectations. Apart from scoring for fun, he's already been called up to the national team.
I think you're right on a fee of €25m-€30m for the hottest property in Brazil right now. It also backs my theory that we seriously overpaid for Alysonn, a player who has hardly pulled up any trees. Obviously Unai and his team must see something but with money so tight, we've now thrown together with Guessand £40m at a position that still looks unresolved.
My concern, and without wishing to sound too negative is we blamed Monchi for not getting his deals right and his replacement, Roberto Olabe in his last few years in Spain had a very questionable record with his acquisitions. I just wonder if we're in the right financial position to be playing 'moneyball'?
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3 goals in 33 games in Italy is all I was going on. I know he was fairly young but I think it's reasonable to say teams in Europe may be a little cautious as a result.
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A RB/RCB firmly on the agenda this month if possible.
Onanas injury bumps Bogarde back up to DM role cover
Expect two attackers in also - 10 who can play across the left/right plus a more traditional forward
Osalu Unai rates (think he’s out injured at moment also but due back this month)
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You would have expected the Elliot situation to have been resolved on Jan 1st. Without this being done, it would appear we have little or no room for further signings.
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You would have expected the Elliot situation to have been resolved on Jan 1st. Without this being done, it would appear we have little or no room for further signings.
Why not? We’ve got £35m that has already been accounted for that we won’t be spending on Elliott.
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A RB/RCB firmly on the agenda this month if possible.
Onanas injury bumps Bogarde back up to DM role cover
Expect two attackers in also - 10 who can play across the left/right plus a more traditional forward
Osalu Unai rates (think he’s out injured at moment also but due back this month)
Mingueza please.
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I don't know who that is, but I'm imagining Tyrone Mings wearing a sombrero.
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I don't know who that is, but I'm imagining Tyrone Mings wearing a sombrero.
There's a two drink minimum to get into my dreams, pal.
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3 goals in 33 games in Italy is all I was going on. I know he was fairly young but I think it's reasonable to say teams in Europe may be a little cautious as a result.
If you look at it in simple terms, sure but I don't think he ever started a game at Juventus, somebody called Federico Chiesa was restricting him to a few minutes (149) here and there off the bench. He also was injured for part of the season. Then he got sent off to Frosinone who were newly promoted and fighting a relation battle all season. I think it was the same time our Enzo Barrenechea was also there on loan. Enzo got lots of practice trying to break up attacks, Jorge probably never saw the ball. He only started 6 games so a 3 goal return I could live with (he only scored in two of those games he started). A total of 936 minutes for their relegation season.
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A RB/RCB firmly on the agenda this month if possible.
Onanas injury bumps Bogarde back up to DM role cover
Expect two attackers in also - 10 who can play across the left/right plus a more traditional forward
Osalu Unai rates (think he’s out injured at moment also but due back this month)
Mingueza please.
Out of contract in the summer so could be scope for a reduced fee now rather than nothing in 6 months. Were linked previously so if there was any truth in that it would make sense. A player in and around the national squad who covers multiple positions would appear to be a canny signing.
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A RB/RCB firmly on the agenda this month if possible.
Onanas injury bumps Bogarde back up to DM role cover
Expect two attackers in also - 10 who can play across the left/right plus a more traditional forward
Osalu Unai rates (think he’s out injured at moment also but due back this month)
Mingueza please.
Out of contract in the summer so could be scope for a reduced fee now rather than nothing in 6 months. Were linked previously so if there was any truth in that it would make sense. A player in and around the national squad who covers multiple positions would appear to be a canny signing.
A serious upgrade and we could guarantee him first team football, the big question is would he move now as he's just broken into the Spanish squad? Celta still hope he'll renew, it looks unlikely and there's others interested in signing him on a pre-contract; Liverpool, Newcastle and even a return to Barca. Would we cash in on Cash if we got him?
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Some dodgy Egyptian website has us linked to Marmoush.
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I could see that having legs, if we do end the Elliott loan to free up a spot I could see us looking at him as an option for a few months in a similar way to the Rashford loan.
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I could see that having legs, if we do end the Elliott loan to free up a spot I could see us looking at him as an option for a few months in a similar way to the Rashford loan.
I hope so Paul, cracking player, very busy and would make a welcome addition. Pep and Unai seem to get on as well, might do us a favour. I also wonder if we go back in for Paqueta if Vinnie is right about the number 10 role.
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Some dodgy Egyptian website has us linked to Marmoush.
As the saying goes. Fuck yeah !!!!!!!
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Why would Man City want to help us out, though?
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Some dodgy Egyptian website has us linked to Marmoush.
Surely Nas can have a word.
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Why would Man City want to help us out, though?
Hubris, maybe?
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Some dodgy Egyptian website has us linked to Marmoush.
The link is genuine I think but depends on elliot leaving.
I'm sure even Vinnie mentioned him earlier in the thread
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Why would Man City want to help us out, though?
They have no problem selling to rivals.
Arsenal and Chelsea have taken players recently.
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Why would Man City want to help us out, though?
They have no problem selling to rivals.
Arsenal and Chelsea have taken players recently.
This is true. They probably don't see us as a proper threat, also.
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They also have to pretend to comply with the financial rules.
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I could see that having legs, if we do end the Elliott loan to free up a spot I could see us looking at him as an option for a few months in a similar way to the Rashford loan.
I hope so Paul, cracking player, very busy and would make a welcome addition. Pep and Unai seem to get on as well, might do us a favour. I also wonder if we go back in for Paqueta if Vinnie is right about the number 10 role.
Hope not. Blowing our wad on Paqueta would be insane. After one last payday, did another amazing Swan Lake impression the other day. Yes, he can play a killer pass but he's often a liability with his poor workrate off the ball and the constant diving that refs are now wise to.
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I could see that having legs, if we do end the Elliott loan to free up a spot I could see us looking at him as an option for a few months in a similar way to the Rashford loan.
I hope so Paul, cracking player, very busy and would make a welcome addition. Pep and Unai seem to get on as well, might do us a favour. I also wonder if we go back in for Paqueta if Vinnie is right about the number 10 role.
Hope not. Blowing our wad on Paqueta would be insane. After one last payday, did another amazing Swan Lake impression the other day. Yes, he can play a killer pass but he's often a liability with his poor workrate off the ball and the constant diving that refs are now wise to.
Paqueta is a great player on his day, but I'm not sure he's a significant upgrade on the version of Emi B we've seen this season? Up to this season, he'd definitely be seen as an upgrade - but now? Emi's level has really gone up a notch, so I'm not sure he's a big enough upgrade to blow any significant funds on him?
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I still don't think Buendia affects games enough and is usually the first player dragged off. Finding a longer term replacement for him would be my number 1 target, perhaps not Paqueta though.
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YESSS!!!!!
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YESSS!!!!!
Wrong thread?
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YESSS!!!!!
We've finally signed Benni McCarthy?
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I still don't think Buendia affects games enough and is usually the first player dragged off. Finding a longer term replacement for him would be my number 1 target, perhaps not Paqueta though.
Said it many times, he’s a great sub, right from the days when he used to replace Coutinho.
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I still don't think Buendia affects games enough and is usually the first player dragged off. Finding a longer term replacement for him would be my number 1 target, perhaps not Paqueta though.
Said it many times, he’s a great sub, right from the days when he used to replace Coutinho.
He can put some lovely defence splitting passes in and a threat in front of goal. But is so lightweight, easily out-muscled and loses the ball.
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If we can out manoeuvre the lovely rules and strengthen this month we really could do something incredible this season.
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If we can out manoeuvre the lovely rules and strengthen this month we really could do something incredible this season.
That's Plan A. Plan B is to get you to start all the match threads.
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If we can out manoeuvre the lovely rules and strengthen this month we really could do something incredible this season.
That's Plan A. Plan B is to get you to start all the match threads.
Solid agree. Every single one. So you'd better let your family and colleagues know of your reduced availability, Rigadon.
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I still don't think Buendia affects games enough and is usually the first player dragged off. Finding a longer term replacement for him would be my number 1 target, perhaps not Paqueta though.
Said it many times, he’s a great sub, right from the days when he used to replace Coutinho.
He can put some lovely defence splitting passes in and a threat in front of goal. But is so lightweight, easily out-muscled and loses the ball.
That's so 2023/24. There are far worse players in the team that give the ball away but seem to go under the radar, Rogers for one. It's all part of the attacking midfield/10 role. Not everything comes off. Just ask Youri, SJM etc.
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I still don't think Buendia affects games enough and is usually the first player dragged off. Finding a longer term replacement for him would be my number 1 target, perhaps not Paqueta though.
Said it many times, he’s a great sub, right from the days when he used to replace Coutinho.
He can put some lovely defence splitting passes in and a threat in front of goal. But is so lightweight, easily out-muscled and loses the ball.
That's so 2023/24. There are far worse players in the team that give the ball away but seem to go under the radar, Rogers for one. It's all part of the attacking midfield/10 role. Not everything comes off. Just ask Youri, SJM etc.
Just going on what I am seeing, no matter what year it is. Rogers is so much stronger on the ball as is Youri.
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If we can out manoeuvre the lovely rules and strengthen this month we really could do something incredible this season.
That's Plan A. Plan B is to get you to start all the match threads.
Solid agree. Every single one. So you'd better let your family and colleagues know of your reduced availability, Rigadon.
On it.
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Shame for Percy though. He’s going to have to sit out all remaining home games.
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Shame for Percy though. He’s going to have to sit out all remaining home games.
I will explain the seriousness of the matter to our friend. He will see that it's in his interests to come to an agreement.
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I still don't think Buendia affects games enough and is usually the first player dragged off. Finding a longer term replacement for him would be my number 1 target, perhaps not Paqueta though.
Said it many times, he’s a great sub, right from the days when he used to replace Coutinho.
He can put some lovely defence splitting passes in and a threat in front of goal. But is so lightweight, easily out-muscled and loses the ball.
That's so 2023/24. There are far worse players in the team that give the ball away but seem to go under the radar, Rogers for one. It's all part of the attacking midfield/10 role. Not everything comes off. Just ask Youri, SJM etc.
Just going on what I am seeing, no matter what year it is. Rogers is so much stronger on the ball as is Youri.
Emi B has been holding his own this season. Today is the first time his being 'pushed off the ball' has been mentioned this season. Youri had numerous complaints to the ref of being fouled/pushed off the ball, it was pretty much all Forest had to contribute. I'm just glad the lads came out of the game unscathed.
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I still don't think Buendia affects games enough and is usually the first player dragged off. Finding a longer term replacement for him would be my number 1 target, perhaps not Paqueta though.
Said it many times, he’s a great sub, right from the days when he used to replace Coutinho.
He can put some lovely defence splitting passes in and a threat in front of goal. But is so lightweight, easily out-muscled and loses the ball.
That's so 2023/24. There are far worse players in the team that give the ball away but seem to go under the radar, Rogers for one. It's all part of the attacking midfield/10 role. Not everything comes off. Just ask Youri, SJM etc.
Just going on what I am seeing, no matter what year it is. Rogers is so much stronger on the ball as is Youri.
Emi B has been holding his own this season. Today is the first time his being 'pushed off the ball' has been mentioned this season. Youri had numerous complaints to the ref of being fouled/pushed off the ball, it was pretty much all Forest had to contribute. I'm just glad the lads came out of the game unscathed.
Not just today, he just isn't physically strong enough. He has done well in patches but IMO is not quite at the level we need
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I still don't think Buendia affects games enough and is usually the first player dragged off. Finding a longer term replacement for him would be my number 1 target, perhaps not Paqueta though.
Said it many times, he’s a great sub, right from the days when he used to replace Coutinho.
He can put some lovely defence splitting passes in and a threat in front of goal. But is so lightweight, easily out-muscled and loses the ball.
That's so 2023/24. There are far worse players in the team that give the ball away but seem to go under the radar, Rogers for one. It's all part of the attacking midfield/10 role. Not everything comes off. Just ask Youri, SJM etc.
Just going on what I am seeing, no matter what year it is. Rogers is so much stronger on the ball as is Youri.
Emi B has been holding his own this season. Today is the first time his being 'pushed off the ball' has been mentioned this season. Youri had numerous complaints to the ref of being fouled/pushed off the ball, it was pretty much all Forest had to contribute. I'm just glad the lads came out of the game unscathed.
Not just today, he just isn't physically strong enough. He has done well in patches but IMO is not quite at the level we need
I have to say, I think it’s a legitimate criticism of Buendia being easily out muscled. It isn’t just today. Leeds and Chelsea away spring immediately to mind also. He was snuffed out with ease with a bit of physical attention. I also agree that he’s a better impact sub than starter.
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I like the look of that mane of wolves.
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Looks like there's something to the Marmoush thing. Would be a fantastic signing imo.
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I like the look of that mane of wolves.
Based on how many matches?
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I like the look of that mane of wolves.
Based on how many matches?
I think he's confusing wolves with lions.
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I like the look of that mane of wolves.
Based on how many matches?
Based on what i saw today. Has massove potential and very young
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Looks like there's something to the Marmoush thing. Would be a fantastic signing imo.
from where have you heard please ?
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Lots of unreliable speculation saying we are interested in him but I'll be amazed if we manage to rummage round the back of the PSR settee and find sixty million quid.
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Lots of unreliable speculation saying we are interested in him but I'll be amazed if we manage to rummage round the back of the PSR settee and find sixty million quid.
Yup. Just can’t see anyway that happens.
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Lots of unreliable speculation saying we are interested in him but I'll be amazed if we manage to rummage round the back of the PSR settee and find sixty million quid.
I’ll throw in a tenner if someone starts a crowdfund
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If we can out manoeuvre the lovely rules and strengthen this month we really could do something incredible this season.
That's Plan A. Plan B is to get you to start all the match threads.
Solid agree. Every single one. So you'd better let your family and colleagues know of your reduced availability, Rigadon.
On it.
Good man, I can see why you're so highly regarded in Latvia.
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Can’t see Citeh letting us have him.
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Can’t see Citeh letting us have him.
They sold Sterling and Palmer to Chelsea, Zinchenko and Gabriel Jesus to Arsenal off the top of my head.
They are getting Semenyo so it makes sense they would sell someone.
If we don't get him, it's not because they refuse to sell to a direct competitor.
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Maybe there’s an outside chance of getting him on loan/mandatory summer purchase. Assuming we can resolve the Elliott situation.
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Someone said we need a Duran type player without his madness.
I think Marmoush is exactly that.
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Chelsea about to pay £130mil for Rogers apparently. Aren't they under the same UEFA sanctions as us on a positive expenditure?
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If Marmoush is a genuine possibility, then great, but he's on big wages (almost £300k a week, with 3.5 years on his contract), and they spent £60m on him just one year ago. The chances of us signing him at all are slim, less so at a price we could afford. Unless some sort of Rashford-style deal can be done to loan him with a view to buying in the summer if everyone agrees?
I just feel that given our financial constraints, we're not shopping at that level in January (unfortunately!)
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We need someone but isn't he just a more exotic Malen?
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Chelsea about to pay £130mil for Rogers apparently. Aren't they under the same UEFA sanctions as us on a positive expenditure?
Is that for his left or right leg ?
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Chelsea about to pay £130mil for Rogers apparently. Aren't they under the same UEFA sanctions as us on a positive expenditure?
Would sell for £130m. Great price.
We could do a lot with that and I trust Unai to spend it well.
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Chelsea about to pay £130mil for Rogers apparently.
Can't see it, I think he'd prefer to be at a club that offers him Champions League football.
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And one that had a manager.
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On the flip side, with that sort of money, we could buy three Evann Guessands to replace his qualities.
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I imagine Tony Dorigo has been in his ear again.
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On the flip side, with that sort of money, we could buy three Evann Guessands
Two Djemba Djembas
And a Tonev in a pear tree.
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Chelsea about to pay £130mil for Rogers apparently. Aren't they under the same UEFA sanctions as us on a positive expenditure?
Would sell for £130m. Great price.
We could do a lot with that and I trust Unai to spend it well.
We’ll sell him eventually, and for massive money, but not this winter. That would be just giving up.
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Selling him this winter would be insane and we won’t do it.
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Selling him this winter would be insane and we won’t do it.
Every year we have to put up with this nonsense. It would be insane as you say and clubs in this league do not sell key players in this window.
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Selling our best player, arguably, to an inferior club with a lower gate capacity and forward momentum? Would question Morgan’s desire if that were the case.
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Chelsea don't pay massive wages do they? What is the incentive for the player to take a step down to them?
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That's how I see it too. When I read Chelsea I just thought, why? What do they have other than some extra revenue? I was thinking about this when someone was banging on about Arsenal "knowing how to win" as a club the other day. What is the difference between 23 and 46 years to these current players? Nothing.
The players aren't stupid. They'll know we're in the top 3, in all likelihood playing in the Champions League next year, and in Emery they have a manager they can trust to get the best out of them. No one's going to Chelsea unless we want them gone.
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Chelsea don't pay massive wages do they? What is the incentive for the player to take a step down to them?
Now they've had their initial splurge, he's also the wrong profile for what their owners are looking for in a player now.
Their whole current thing is signing players who could get to Rogers' level for a quarter/ third as much as Rogers would cost, hope that some of them get to that level to build a team but sell on the majority for a bit extra once they have the "prestige" of being a Chelsea player on their CV.
They're an investment vehicle first and foremost.
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Watching the game yesterday, I think a defensive midfielder or another body in there is needed. I know we have Barkley and Onana to come back but there's no guarantee they'll stay fit. I did think briefly about Kalvin Philljps but hes not been much cop for ages (another career Pep ruined). I do like Mainoo though.
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Chelsea don't pay massive wages do they? What is the incentive for the player to take a step down to them?
Now they've had their initial splurge, he's also the wrong profile for what their owners are looking for in a player now.
Their whole current thing is signing players who could get to Rogers' level for a quarter/ third as much as Rogers would cost, hope that some of them get to that level to build a team but sell on the majority for a bit extra once they have the "prestige" of being a Chelsea player on their CV.
They're an investment vehicle first and foremost.
Yep, Brighton with a bigger budget.
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Mainoo isn’t a 6 though he’s more of an 8 or 10 imv. I seem to recall a lot of Yoonited fans criticising him for some defensive midfield displays in the last couple of years. Also he’s been frozen out by Amorim hasn’t he, lack of ability to adapt or being a twat?
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I do like Mainoo though.
Looks decent but has struggled as a DCM for Man U. Currently more box-to-box in my opinion.
We need to give Bogarde a go before we sign someone else in that position (unless Kamara goes). Bogarde’s done all the right things so far.
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Mainoo isn’t a 6 though he’s more of an 8 or 10 imv. I seem to recall a lot of Yoonited fans criticising him for some defensive midfield displays in the last couple of years. Also he’s been frozen out by Amorim hasn’t he, lack of ability to adapt or being a twat?
Or, like Rashford, it's neither. He looked very good when he broke through, and didn't look out of place in an England shirt. Clearly he needs a move, but I'm not sure we need someone like him. Especially when we have almost everyone fit.
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I do like Mainoo though.
Looks decent but has struggled as a DCM for Man U. Currently more box-to-box in my opinion.
We need to give Bogarde a go before we sign someone else. He’s done all the right things so far.
Yep Mainoo is more of a 'number 8' in modern terms as I see it, who would play alongside a defensive midfielder. In the current squad, Kamara and Bogarde are the defensive midfielders and Tielemans, Onana and Barkley are the 'number 8's'.
I still think Onana offers us something different in midfield and that is the type of player we could do with adding given he is out injured quite often.
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If we can out manoeuvre the lovely rules and strengthen this month we really could do something incredible this season.
That's Plan A. Plan B is to get you to start all the match threads.
Solid agree. Every single one. So you'd better let your family and colleagues know of your reduced availability, Rigadon.
On it.
Good man, I can see why you're so highly regarded in Latvia.
Very concerned that a Chelsea forum may come for Rigadon or even worse the new force in world football SHA this transfer window?
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My head won’t be turned Olaftab. I bleed claret and blue (unless they offer me more money of course).
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Could we not send Rigadon on loan, where the other forum have to buy him after 10 posts?
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Don’t, under any circumstances, learn Italian.
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Could we not send Rigadon on loan, where the other forum have to buy him after 10 posts?
Roy Keane was right. We’re just pieces of meat to traded these days.
The atmosphere on this forum is a bit flat anyway.
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Could we not send Rigadon on loan, where the other forum have to buy him after 10 posts?
Roy Keane was right. We’re just pieces of meat to traded these days.
The atmosphere on this forum is a bit flat anyway.
Too many posters logging off before the final whistle.
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Watching the game yesterday, I think a defensive midfielder or another body in there is needed. I know we have Barkley and Onana to come back but there's no guarantee they'll stay fit. I did think briefly about Kalvin Philljps but hes not been much cop for ages (another career Pep ruined). I do like Mainoo though.
I don't think we'd attract a top-notch DMF because Kamara and Onana are obvious first choice, so it would either have to be a youngster (Borland?) or someone on the way down (but how motivated would they be?). Re midfield, Emery needs to work out how to start blending Hemmings, Borland et al into the matchday scene.
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I don't think we'd attract a top-notch DMF because Kamara and Onana are obvious first choice, so it would either have to be a youngster (Borland?) or someone on the way down (but how motivated would they be?). Re midfield, Emery needs to work out how to start blending Hemmings, Borland et al into the matchday scene.
It'll have to be Hemmings, Borland's gone to Swindon on loan for the rest of the season.
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Watching the game yesterday, I think a defensive midfielder or another body in there is needed. I know we have Barkley and Onana to come back but there's no guarantee they'll stay fit. I did think briefly about Kalvin Philljps but hes not been much cop for ages (another career Pep ruined). I do like Mainoo though.
I don't think we'd attract a top-notch DMF because Kamara and Onana are obvious first choice, so it would either have to be a youngster (Borland?) or someone on the way down (but how motivated would they be?). Re midfield, Emery needs to work out how to start blending Hemmings, Borland et al into the matchday scene.
Hemmings looks a prospect from the brief cameos.
Intrigued why you’ve skipped Bogarde?
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Mainoo isn’t a 6 though he’s more of an 8 or 10 imv. I seem to recall a lot of Yoonited fans criticising him for some defensive midfield displays in the last couple of years. Also he’s been frozen out by Amorim hasn’t he, lack of ability to adapt or being a twat?
Yes, he’s been frozen out, and the twat stealing a living as their manager had the nerve to mention him as part of a ‘woe is me’ injuries lament the other day.
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Don’t, under any circumstances, learn Italian.
It's a piece of piss, you just wave your arms about.
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And add "o" to English words.
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That's Spanish.
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Two languages learned in five minutes. This is easy.
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Chelsea about to pay £130mil for Rogers apparently. Aren't they under the same UEFA sanctions as us on a positive expenditure?
Would sell for £130m. Great price.
We could do a lot with that and I trust Unai to spend it well.
Sod that. I want him at Villa until he's won everything with us.
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I do find responses to a perceived big fee being “sell, sell, sell” weird. Rogers is an absolute star for us, and will get better. Why anyone would actively want to see him go to a rival is beyond me.
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And add "o" to English words.
I’ve probably mentioned this before, but when I was younger we went to Venice for a table football tournament with my dad’s mate’s family. His mate, Ian, insisted on speaking “Italiano” which, as you’d said, was literally English words with an “o” at the end.
Whilst we (me, my dad, his mate’s son) were playing Subbuteo all day, he decided to explore Venice. Improbably he managed to befriend an Italian fireman on the 10am “bus-o” in to Venice. The chap didn’t speak a word of English, and Ian would only speak “Italiano” to him. They proceeded to spend the entire day in a cafe drinking “cheapo vino” and gesticulating at eachother. He was a proper state when he eventually returned at about 8pm.
I find it funny that this type of “getting absolutely smashed in a pub” style parenting has disappeared almost entirely during my lifetime. Like it wasn’t at all weird to go to the pub with my dad’s and drink half pints of coke whilst he was sinking heroic quantities of bitter. Whereas now there’s probably a significant amount of people (myself included) who would think that it’s a tiny bit irresponsible.
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And add "o" to English words.
I’ve probably mentioned this before, but when I was younger we went to Venice for a table football tournament with my dad’s mate’s family. His mate, Ian, insisted on speaking “Italiano” which, as you’d said, was literally English words with an “o” at the end.
Whilst we (me, my dad, his mate’s son) were playing Subbuteo all day, he decided to explore Venice. Improbably he managed to befriend an Italian fireman on the 10am “bus-o” in to Venice. The chap didn’t speak a word of English, and Ian would only speak “Italiano” to him. They proceeded to spend the entire day in a cafe drinking “cheapo vino” and gesticulating at eachother. He was a proper state when he eventually returned at about 8pm.
I find it funny that this type of “getting absolutely smashed in a pub” style parenting has disappeared almost entirely during my lifetime. Like it wasn’t at all weird to go to the pub with my dad’s and drink half pints of coke whilst he was sinking heroic quantities of bitter. Whereas now there’s probably a significant amount of people (myself included) who would think that it’s a tiny bit irresponsible.
It's one of the many reasons I don't have kids. They can have it how I had it or not at all.
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Selling our best player, arguably, to an inferior club with a lower gate capacity and forward momentum? Would question Morgan’s desire if that were the case.
Lower gate capacity.... does that mean some of our lot will be swayed by clubs that playat the Stadium of Light and the one where the Olympics was held? Come on, each seat at Stamford Bridge is prime real estate.
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And add "o" to English words.
I’ve probably mentioned this before, but when I was younger we went to Venice for a table football tournament with my dad’s mate’s family. His mate, Ian, insisted on speaking “Italiano” which, as you’d said, was literally English words with an “o” at the end.
Whilst we (me, my dad, his mate’s son) were playing Subbuteo all day, he decided to explore Venice. Improbably he managed to befriend an Italian fireman on the 10am “bus-o” in to Venice. The chap didn’t speak a word of English, and Ian would only speak “Italiano” to him. They proceeded to spend the entire day in a cafe drinking “cheapo vino” and gesticulating at eachother. He was a proper state when he eventually returned at about 8pm.
I find it funny that this type of “getting absolutely smashed in a pub” style parenting has disappeared almost entirely during my lifetime. Like it wasn’t at all weird to go to the pub with my dad’s and drink half pints of coke whilst he was sinking heroic quantities of bitter. Whereas now there’s probably a significant amount of people (myself included) who would think that it’s a tiny bit irresponsible.
It's one of the many reasons I don't have kids. They can have it how I had it or not at all.
The reason for me is I need to find a woman to let me put my willy in her first.
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The reason for me is I need to find a woman to let me put my willy in her first.
With patter like that, it's only a matter of time.
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"Hi, can I buy you a drink?"
"Sure, why not?"
"Before I do, let me talk you through these Ollie Watkins goalscoring stats for the past seven seasons, if you come back to mine later I can show you the graph I've made"
"Ermm, I've just remembered I need to be somewhere"...
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The reason for me is I need to find a woman to let me put my willy in her first.
With patter like that, it's only a matter of time.
You can’t flirt (the smirk).
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Need to work on your finishing, Smirker.
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"Hi, can I buy you a drink?"
"Sure, why not?"
"Before I do, let me talk you through these Ollie Watkins goalscoring stats for the past seven seasons, if you come back to mine later I can show you the graph I've made"
"Ermm, I've just remembered I need to be somewhere"...
😂😂😂
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And add "o" to English words.
I’ve probably mentioned this before, but when I was younger we went to Venice for a table football tournament with my dad’s mate’s family. His mate, Ian, insisted on speaking “Italiano” which, as you’d said, was literally English words with an “o” at the end.
A Scottish fella I know here when he first arrived probably thought similar and for six months (the locals refused to tell him as he became the local attraction), would ask for a blowjob instead of an expresso. Another one was a Belgium woman who told her neighbour that her young daughter was 'a beautiful prostitute, just like the mother'.
Mind your o's and a's.
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could Pacqueta from the Hammers be our big target this January
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Hope not.
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could Pacqueta from the Hammers be our big target this January
No, he's too phat.
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Chelsea don't pay massive wages do they? What is the incentive for the player to take a step down to them?
Now they've had their initial splurge, he's also the wrong profile for what their owners are looking for in a player now.
Their whole current thing is signing players who could get to Rogers' level for a quarter/ third as much as Rogers would cost, hope that some of them get to that level to build a team but sell on the majority for a bit extra once they have the "prestige" of being a Chelsea player on their CV.
They're an investment vehicle first and foremost.
That’s exactly it now. The media more than Chelsea will see him linked to them. They want 19/20 year olds from South America to flip like an investment him after a few years for a profit. Not established England internationals who won’t have sell on value after they have shelled out £120M.
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could Pacqueta from the Hammers be our big target this January
No, he's too phat.
Let's not buy any fat West Ham players, or indeed any West Ham players because they all look fat to me.
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Agreed. I do wonder if Julian Dicks was the missing part of our puzzle circa 1997 though.
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He's a proper c-word.
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He's a proper c-word.
C-heat
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Selling our best player, arguably, to an inferior club with a lower gate capacity and forward momentum? Would question Morgan’s desire if that were the case.
Lower gate capacity.... does that mean some of our lot will be swayed by clubs that playat the Stadium of Light and the one where the Olympics was held? Come on, each seat at Stamford Bridge is prime real estate.
Ooh, let’s sell him then. They are below us in every aspect apart from being in the capital. Basket case of a club.
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Will our healthy position in relation to CL next season allow a more expansive approach to the Jan window?
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I would hope not. We should be doing what we can afford to do based on what we know in terms of income, rather than hope.
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We gambled last year when not in a great position. It will be interesting to see what we can do to 'max' out the rules that are in place to stop us being competitive. We don't need to be reckless but this Jan we are investing from a position of strength..
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could Pacqueta from the Hammers be our big target this January
LOL
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Will our healthy position in relation to CL next season allow a more expansive approach to the Jan window?
My reading is yes, but with a lot of moving parts.
Unless someone has something to the contrary, I think that the whole "can't register new players for your UEFA competition squad while being in transfer fee deficit" thing still stands for the whole season - so if we buy a shit-hot striker for £100m, we can't include them in our Europa Squad in February. But that might not matter, because a shit-hot striker probably doesn't care about that, and will be more interested in the whole "get the team in third place to a Premier League title and inevitable world domination" part of the plan. Which obviously wasn't the case in August when we looked like a big hot mess.
But UEFA might then raise an eyebrow. Because they think that we're being a bit cheeky, and say we're not taking our punishment in the way they intended and decide that next time the accounts aren't as they should be, they're going remember the time that we just ignored their punishment and carried on regardless.
Then there are the accounts for 26/27. Because right now, today, buying an shiny new expensive player within the rules, we should be fine. We've got the Duran and Champions League money coming into the books, and two buttons, an old-style 50p and a bit of used chewing gum going out on the books. Therefore we look great at the moment, so bring in the £100m striker and win the league.
But UEFA then look at our wages and balances the year after. Those numbers show we broke even on transfer fees (summer '25), Europa rather than Champions League income, still with the wage bill of a club trying to be one of the best sides in the world on an income of one of the top twenty sides in the world and with that massive expensive striker scoring all our goals and decide that we need to be punished again.
But that might all happen while we're sitting there with our Premier League title and new-found clout and we don't give a fuck, like Chelsea and Barcelona didn't when they were punished last summer like we were.
So...big-shrug-of-the-shoulders on what we actually do. But I think the analysis of what we might be thinking about doing is correct.
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I do recall in the press reporting at the time, something about complying with the ruling and the spirit in which it was intended.
But I see nothing about that in the very badly written judgement (https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/029b-1e280b615680-700e46bcfcfa-1000/aston_villa_summary_version_3-year_sa_20250704174251.pdf) (though the underlying regulations are in pristine English).
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could Pacqueta from the Hammers be our big target this January
No, he's too phat.
Let's not buy any fat West Ham players, or indeed any West Ham players because they all look fat to me.
They'd look slimmer with blue sleeves.
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We gambled last year when not in a great position. It will be interesting to see what we can do to 'max' out the rules that are in place to stop us being competitive. We don't need to be reckless but this Jan we are investing from a position of strength..
Last season we sold Duran, Philogene and Carlos for over £100m which meant we could afford the loans, Malen and Garcia.
We don't really have peripheral players that we can sell for big money anymore.
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And add "o" to English words.
I’ve probably mentioned this before, but when I was younger we went to Venice for a table football tournament with my dad’s mate’s family. His mate, Ian, insisted on speaking “Italiano” which, as you’d said, was literally English words with an “o” at the end.
Whilst we (me, my dad, his mate’s son) were playing Subbuteo all day, he decided to explore Venice. Improbably he managed to befriend an Italian fireman on the 10am “bus-o” in to Venice. The chap didn’t speak a word of English, and Ian would only speak “Italiano” to him. They proceeded to spend the entire day in a cafe drinking “cheapo vino” and gesticulating at eachother. He was a proper state when he eventually returned at about 8pm.
Fantastic story. Enjoyed reading that.
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I wonder if we'll take Leon back. Kinda in a reverse Elliott way. We pay Harvey's wages and he goes back to Pool, Roma get rid of Bailey cos they hate him but we stick to the original financial arrangement.
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That Garcia player we were linked with (loan) scored a hat trick whilst deputising for Mbappe.
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I wonder if we'll take Leon back. Kinda in a reverse Elliott way. We pay Harvey's wages and he goes back to Pool, Roma get rid of Bailey cos they hate him but we stick to the original financial arrangement.
We could at least play bailey and his pace could be handy. Makes sense for me nad hopefully unai can help get his best form back
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How is bringing perma-injured Bailey back going to help? We've convinced some other mug to pay for his convalescence this year, keep it that way.
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How is bringing perma-injured Bailey back going to help? We've convinced some other mug to pay for his convalescence this year, keep it that way.
It was based on the scenerio of paying for elliot to go back. Its a no brainer as its a extra body as we cant play elliot so pointless having him here. At least we can use bailey even if he has generally been shit for a while
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It sure is a no brainer as the reason they want to send him back is because he's never fit to play.
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It sure is a no brainer as the reason they want to send him back is because he's never fit to play.
.yeah was reading about that. So shit and now injury prone. Great 😟
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We did well to get what we did out of him for that year.
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We did well to get what we did out of him for that year.
We were always a stepping stone according to his Dad who said he was going to be the best player in the world
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Oh yes who could ever remember his dad giving it that we were lucky to have aplayer of his quality.
I still think diaby was a far better player than bailey
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First time i saw him play i thought what a player, he has the talent but not the courage or determination. Emery would not have let him go on loan if he thought he was useful to us
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Way I see it we have the squad now to get 3rd. Probably not to be challenging for the league in April.
Big question mark now is can we get over the line in Europa league especially if we have a few injuries in the run in. That could be where adding two more players and one with good experience would be very useful indeed for the business end of the season.
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Way I see it we have the squad now to get 3rd. Probably not to be challenging for the league in April.
Big question mark now is can we get over the line in Europa league especially if we have a few injuries in the run in. That could be where adding two more players and one with good experience would be very useful indeed for the business end of the season.
Mings*, Garcia and Elliott are probably the only ones we can remove from the current UEFA squad unless we sell someone unexpectedly.
* Mings is officially still in the squad as we used the injury clause to replace him with Barkley but that expires when the player replaced is fit again.
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We need players for the second half of the premier league campaign not the Europa.
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Might bringing Dobbin back be an option? Played plenty of football and seems to be doing ok at Preston and could be used as a pace option on bench. We are still very thin out wide
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It would be some turn-around in his career if we did take him back and give him a run. Up to now, he's been seen as a sad little horse in a wet field with no pals to canter around with.
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AVFC The Religion@avfcthereligion.bsky.social
Aston Villa to bid £15 million for Edvin Austbø in January. Viking value him at £22-29 million.
Villa knows about Leverkusen, Leeds and Sunderland interest and fears a bidding war could occur.
Looks a little small
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a wide forward ? Bit like Shakiri
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His hips don’t lie.
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His hips don’t lie.
and i am starting to feel its right
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a wide forward ? Bit like Shakiri
Shaq? The squattest fucker playing at a high level since Andy Reid and we've already got a stooping meatball.
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a wide forward ? Bit like Shakiri
Shaq? The squattest fucker playing at a high level since Andy Reid and we've already got a stooping meatball.
sorry yes Shaqiri Shaqiri Shaqiri
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Unai saying we can't buy anybody unless we get out of the Elliott deal, or do some trading like last year. Although loans are possible
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Has he done his pre-match presser already ?
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Surely the Elliott deal would have been sorted in principle before Jan?
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I wonder if Liverpool hold the upper hand in terms of the deal made in the summer and are asking us to pay wages for him until the end of the season or some shit that holds things up. They wouldn’t want to help us at the moment I wouldn’t have thought.
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I'm sure Liverpool will leave it until the last day of the window knowing we can't do any business until Elliot is moved on.
Ain't doing us any favours, that's for sure.
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Not sure Slot will be there at the end of the month. When asked at the weekend about Elliott he pretty much said, 'nothing to do with me, he's an Aston Villa player', so not expecting any favours.
That Edvin Austbø looks a delight, extreme technical ability, fast, can play either side, all our forwards would love him. Best showreel I've seen in ages. The talent looks there, the exact type of player you'd want. Make it happen, Unai!
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Elliot going now or in June doesn't matter as we won’t he shelling out £35m. Although his wages might be an issue £5-£6m?
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Elliot going now or in June doesn't matter as we won’t he shelling out £35m. Although his wages might be an issue £5-£6m?
If there were a domestic loan signing that we wanted to make this month it matters though. As we can't while he's taking up the space.
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Elliot going now or in June doesn't matter as we won’t he shelling out £35m. Although his wages might be an issue £5-£6m?
If there were a domestic loan signing that we wanted to make this month it matters though. As we can't while he's taking up the space.
Marmoush for instance.
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I can see why they might sell him, to us or someone else.
I can't work out a single plausible reason they might loan him to us.
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Oh dear
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I can see why they might sell him, to us or someone else.
I can't work out a single plausible reason they might loan him to us.
wrong thread
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Sorry made a right bollocks of that
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Sorry made a right bollocks of that
....a bit like Amorim at Utd then...👌
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Elliot going now or in June doesn't matter as we won’t he shelling out £35m. Although his wages might be an issue £5-£6m?
If there were a domestic loan signing that we wanted to make this month it matters though. As we can't while he's taking up the space.
Marmoush for instance.
Can he do the Fandango?
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He's heard about the supermarket in Perry Barr
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/gps-cs-s/AG0ilSxVySSFN1TgSi6UlrDsb7VuXQXCPMC4gcDFb6oZzeo1pwUZq9gOU3Lx_Ux8ts_qbdPGFdwZD7xVJvCiIXDPVjPrprw5fRmWwO96W5RWn0xcHpN9C6JMVqd-LCka2JJstxBg-mU-=s680-w680-h510-rw)
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I might be late on this
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2026/aston-villa-interested-in-e25m-rated-marseille-forward-robinio-vaz/
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I might be late on this
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2026/aston-villa-interested-in-e25m-rated-marseille-forward-robinio-vaz/
Just came to post this, he looks good but very similar to Duran when we signed him in that you'd think he's 12-18months away from getting regular gametime, could be a decent option as a long-term replacement for Ollie but he's not someone you'd expect to make a difference this season.
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He's heard about the supermarket in Perry Barr
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/gps-cs-s/AG0ilSxVySSFN1TgSi6UlrDsb7VuXQXCPMC4gcDFb6oZzeo1pwUZq9gOU3Lx_Ux8ts_qbdPGFdwZD7xVJvCiIXDPVjPrprw5fRmWwO96W5RWn0xcHpN9C6JMVqd-LCka2JJstxBg-mU-=s680-w680-h510-rw)
😂👌
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I might be late on this
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2026/aston-villa-interested-in-e25m-rated-marseille-forward-robinio-vaz/
Just came to post this, he looks good but very similar to Duran when we signed him in that you'd think he's 12-18months away from getting regular gametime, could be a decent option as a long-term replacement for Ollie but he's not someone you'd expect to make a difference this season.
Did he play in the pre-season game? Feels very "Unai" to spot a player while playing against his team, and then telling the club 'that kid has potential, try and get him please'.
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He came on for the last 10.
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I might be late on this
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2026/aston-villa-interested-in-e25m-rated-marseille-forward-robinio-vaz/
Just came to post this, he looks good but very similar to Duran when we signed him in that you'd think he's 12-18months away from getting regular gametime, could be a decent option as a long-term replacement for Ollie but he's not someone you'd expect to make a difference this season.
Did he play in the pre-season game? Feels very "Unai" to spot a player while playing against his team, and then telling the club 'that kid has potential, try and get him please'.
Kinda undermines his scouts who see countless players and bring their data to his door. Unai brushes the A4 Times New Roman'd portfolio aside and says "Nah, that big winger that came on against us for Middlesboro is the one I want" and the poor employees shrink and leave his office :(
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Callum Wilson anyone. Contract terminated at west ham. Be a decent stopgap.
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Callum Wilson anyone. Contract terminated at west ham. Be a decent stopgap.
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Are you Callum Wilson LV ? ??? :)
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Callum Wilson anyone. Contract terminated at west ham. Be a decent stopgap.
No thanks
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Nope. If West Ham are getting rid in the situation they are in then not sure why being on the bench for us is a decent stopgap.
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He wouldnt come anyway because he is Cov and our intense rivalry
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Nope. If West Ham are getting rid in the situation they are in then not sure why being on the bench for us is a decent stopgap.
On a free and a six-month contract as a back-up in case Ollie's injury continues to plague him? Absolutely! Though looking at the story, it does sound like it's happening because he wants to play more, and West Ham have brought in two forwards - so swapping their bench for ours isn't that likely - unless he could be tempted by the possibility of a medal...
I could see him going somewhere like Everton or Forest for the rest of the season and playing most weeks. Whereas here he'd only get a handful of appearances and maybe even fewer if everyone is fit.
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Nope. If West Ham are getting rid in the situation they are in then not sure why being on the bench for us is a decent stopgap.
On a free and a six-month contract as a back-up in case Ollie's injury continues to plague him? Absolutely! Though looking at the story, it does sound like it's happening because he wants to play more, and West Ham have brought in two forwards - so swapping their bench for ours isn't that likely - unless he could be tempted by the possibility of a medal...
I could see him going somewhere like Everton or Forest for the rest of the season and playing most weeks. Whereas here he'd only get a handful of appearances and maybe even fewer if everyone is fit.
Most weeks...until he inevitably gets injured and spends months out. I've never reallly rated him anyway. He's 'OK' in PL terms.
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Dodgy sites suggesting we've bid £26m for Gonzalo Garcia from Real Madrid. Scored a hat trick in their last game so must be bollocks
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Callum Wilson anyone. Contract terminated at west ham. Be a decent stopgap.
Not for me. Not sure he’s much better than Danny Ings, who didn’t last long under Unai
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I can't see any scenario where we look to the bench needing a striker, seeing Malen and Wilson and choosing to pick Wilson.
Even if he were fit.
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Nope. If West Ham are getting rid in the situation they are in then not sure why being on the bench for us is a decent stopgap.
On a free and a six-month contract as a back-up in case Ollie's injury continues to plague him? Absolutely! Though looking at the story, it does sound like it's happening because he wants to play more, and West Ham have brought in two forwards - so swapping their bench for ours isn't that likely - unless he could be tempted by the possibility of a medal...
I could see him going somewhere like Everton or Forest for the rest of the season and playing most weeks. Whereas here he'd only get a handful of appearances and maybe even fewer if everyone is fit.
He's scored at a rate of 1 in 3 over his career in the Prem at Bournemouth, Toon and Spam and has 4 in 14 so far this season.
I'm guessing he wants out of West Ham because the deal he's on (which is heavily incentivised) has proven to be either not as lucrative as he'd hoped/been lead to believe, and with 2 new strikers incoming his appearance (and earning opportunities) will fall off a cliff.
Could we sign him - almost certainly in terms of finances.
Should we sign him - proven and experienced. Not 100% sure if his style of play would suit our set up. Is he just chasing a final pay day given his age (turns 34 in Feb). His injury record isn't great.
Will we sign him ... ... ... ?
Doubt it.
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Callum Wilson anyone. Contract terminated at west ham. Be a decent stopgap.
Looks very out of shape
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I might be late on this
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2026/aston-villa-interested-in-e25m-rated-marseille-forward-robinio-vaz/
Just came to post this, he looks good but very similar to Duran when we signed him in that you'd think he's 12-18months away from getting regular gametime, could be a decent option as a long-term replacement for Ollie but he's not someone you'd expect to make a difference this season.
Hadn't heard of him before but a quick look shows that he's been the talk of the town since a recent brace (third youngest scorer of a brace in Ligue 1 – had never heard of the other two!) and 6 goal involvements in 318 minutes over 13 professional appearances. Quick and, apparently, an amazing header of the ball. RMC compare him to Ismaïla Sarr, presumably for the former characteristic rather than the latter.
Perfect name for us.
But doesn't sound like his club is really in selling mode – contract isn't up for 2.5 years, so you wouldn't think they start panicking until this time next year.
That being said, he actually came through the Sochaux academy and only joined OM last year, after having refused to sign a contract with his academy club. That's a bit mean, I find. Maybe he's playing hardball again?
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I think thats the only problem with him sounding a bit like a Duran type .
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I think thats the only problem with him sounding a bit like a Duran type .
Just as long as he's not related to Keith.
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I think thats the only problem with him sounding a bit like a Duran type .
Just as long as he's not related to Keith.
true dont want him round highfields again
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Callum Wilson anyone. Contract terminated at west ham. Be a decent stopgap.
Yeah, no.
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That's the reverse Danny Ings if ever I saw it. No thanks.
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Callum Wilson anyone. Contract terminated at west ham. Be a decent stopgap.
Yeah, no.
Deano?
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Is it right that Bailey is coming back or just click bait media nonsense? Surely we don’t have to take him?
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Is it right that Bailey is coming back or just click bait media nonsense? Surely we don’t have to take him?
Bit like Elliot, his value is going down at Roma so a reshuffle might suit all parties,
Our approach might actually be linked to how Liverpool behave with us. It’d be nice to think that all the clubs would consider the players rather than just the money.
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I do hope Elliot’s situation is sorted out for everyone’s sake. Could we loan Bailey out again?
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I do hope Elliot’s situation is sorted out for everyone’s sake. Could we loan Bailey out again?
He's injured isn't he?
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I do hope Elliot’s situation is sorted out for everyone’s sake. Could we loan Bailey out again?
He's injured isn't he?
Law of averages…
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I do hope Elliot’s situation is sorted out for everyone’s sake. Could we loan Bailey out again?
Depends what his dad says.
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I do hope Elliot’s situation is sorted out for everyone’s sake. Could we loan Bailey out again?
Is Elliot still training with the first team?
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Yes, he is. Providing good quality as an opponent and teammate in training games is the one way he's adding value for the money we're spending on him.
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Yes, he is. Providing good quality as an opponent and teammate in training games is the one way he's adding value for the money we're spending on him.
That's good to hear. I was beginning to 'smell a rat' over the whole Elliot deal. Thought it might be a case of Industrial Espionage!! Clearly, I was wrong.
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Bailey will be part of the bomb squad 2026 if he comes back. Can't see emery using him unless a massive injury crisis
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Bailey will be part of the bomb squad 2026 if he comes back. Can't see emery using him unless a massive injury crisis
If bailey’s attitude, and crucially fitness, is right he’ll be considered for selection. Similar to Buendia.
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Bailey will be part of the bomb squad 2026 if he comes back. Can't see emery using him unless a massive injury crisis
If bailey’s attitude, and crucially fitness, is right he’ll be considered for selection. Similar to Buendia.
Agree. If we cant bring anyone in we may as well use him and pray he can recapture his good form
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Bailey will be part of the bomb squad 2026 if he comes back. Can't see emery using him unless a massive injury crisis
If bailey’s attitude, and crucially fitness, is right he’ll be considered for selection. Similar to Buendia.
Yep - Emery isn't a bomb squad kind of a guy. Im not sure that Bailey has a long term future with us, but I could see some merit in having him on the bench if he's fit and mentally in the right place.
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His transfer value will have nosedived since going out there and we couldn't get anyone to pay the price we wanted last summer. May as well try and up his price tag a bit with 20 minute cameos and hope he does his super-sub autumn 2023 shiz. We don't ask for much on the right wing. He can provide comp for Evann The Almighty.
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Bailey will be this seasons Bertrand Traore and will bang in a few crucial goals to consolidate our Champions League position.
I know we want to shift his wages if possible, but I certainly would have no issues with him being a squad player in the second half of the season. I appreciate it's easy to hate on Guessand, but if Bailey's fit I'd be more optimistic seeing him come on at the moment.
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Bailey is one of the most gifted players I've seen at Villa, and I started going in 82. Unfortunately his desire to be a great player is missing, really sad as he could have been a game changer for us.
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Bailey is one of the most gifted players I've seen at Villa, and I started going in 82. Unfortunately his desire to be a great player is missing, really sad as he could have been a game changer for us.
Sometimes he made it look effortless then sometimes it was
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Bailey is one of the most gifted players I've seen at Villa, and I started going in 82. Unfortunately his desire to be a great player is missing, really sad as he could have been a game changer for us.
Sometimes he made it look effortless then sometimes it was
Yep!
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I think the injuries and then the worry about getting injured or re- injured did for him.
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He was really upset on that last home game, so coming back may rejuvenate him.
The romantic in me wants another Buendia style resurrection. The accountant in me thinks it is also good business.
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Surely his wages are a problem if he comes back?
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Surely his wages are a problem if he comes back?
Only if we are also paying elliots as well. Otherwise i guess be like for like in terms of wages
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I read or heard on a podcast somewhere that Roma are paying a loan fee, his (Bailey’s) wages and the amortisation for the year so if true, don’t imagine it does us many favors to bring him back. More likely Roma will have to help re-home him if they really want out of the deal.
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Seeing as we're playing Crystal Palace tonight, I know it's unlikely but I think Guehi would be a great signing for us. Could form at CB partnership for club and country with Konsa and would be a good addition. As well as Torres and Lindelof have done this season, I think an upgrade at LCB is required if we are going to really challenge.
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Pau will be our first choice centre-back for as long as Emery is managing us. And we definitely won't be signing Guehi.
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Yeah guehi will have bigger clubs interested in him i am afraid
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Last summer when Guehi was signing for Liverpool, I was shocked how low the fee was, if I remember right it was around 30 mil.
Seems odd, I thought it would be at least double that figure.
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Last summer when Guehi was signing for Liverpool, I was shocked how low the fee was, if I remember right it was around 30 mil.
Seems odd, I thought it would be at least double that figure.
Last year of his contract.
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Pau will be our first choice centre-back for as long as Emery is managing us. And we definitely won't be signing Guehi.
I keep forgetting, but Pau is only 28 yrs-old; potentially another 4-5 years with us if we can get his fitness sorted.
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Last summer when Guehi was signing for Liverpool, I was shocked how low the fee was, if I remember right it was around 30 mil.
Seems odd, I thought it would be at least double that figure.
Didn't Palace buy for around that much in the first place?
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Bailey is one of the most gifted players I've seen at Villa, and I started going in 82. Unfortunately his desire to be a great player is missing, really sad as he could have been a game changer for us.
Sometimes he made it look effortless then sometimes it was
For that reason Emery will stay clear. Extremely gifted and an asset when on top of his game. When he wasn’t he was atrocious. What Emery will be looking for is a player who will improve us or the potential to improve us but has to be mentally very strong. Bailey isn’t that.
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Pau will be our first choice centre-back for as long as Emery is managing us. And we definitely won't be signing Guehi.
I like Pau, but he's been out injured for lengthy periods in most if not all the seasons he's been with us and I still think we're missing that really physical leader type of centre half back there if we are going to be genuine contenders.
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I think Emery will just think ‘who will be more useful for the next six months, Bailey, Guessand, Elliot or Sancho?’
It’s a short term fix, that *might* also get his value back up to something meaningful.
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I think Emery will just think ‘who will be more useful for the next six months, Bailey, Guessand, Elliot or Sancho?’
It’s a short term fix, that *might* also get his value back up to something meaningful.
Bloody hell that’s a conundrum low bars
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If we were looking for a premier league centre back I'd be most interested in van Hecke, quality player who'd fit in really well with how we play.
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I read or heard on a podcast somewhere that Roma are paying a loan fee, his (Bailey’s) wages and the amortisation for the year so if true, don’t imagine it does us many favors to bring him back. More likely Roma will have to help re-home him if they really want out of the deal.
I heard that too.
Much like us with Elliott, if they want out of the deal they signed they will have to pay.
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Pau will be our first choice centre-back for as long as Emery is managing us. And we definitely won't be signing Guehi.
I like Pau, but he's been out injured for lengthy periods in most if not all the seasons he's been with us and I still think we're missing that really physical leader type of centre half back there if we are going to be genuine contenders.
Maybe. But it'll be Konsa that this hypothetical new defender would replace.
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Get some pacey, tricksy and goaly wingers and get them now.
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I'd love to see a Buendia upgrade come in.
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Get some pacey, tricksy and goaly wingers and get them now.
Any in mind?
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I have no idea. I would be searching Uruguay, Mexico, Japan and other crazy countries like that.
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Venezuela? Greenland?
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Venezuela? Greenland?
Other states in the USA are available.
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Yeah guehi will have bigger clubs interested in him i am afraid
There are no such clubs.
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That lad Mane at wolves looks good, scored a cracker again tonight.
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Yep. He looks a real prospect. Grabbing him from the tramps when they go down would be wonderful on a number of #levels.
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Villa won’t be signing Mane from Wolves - what would be the point Unai wants players who have a lot of experience- he would not be starting an 18 year old in our side
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Villa won’t be signing Mane from Wolves - what would be the point Unai wants players who have a lot of experience- he would not be starting an 18 year old in our side
The new Monchi has form for signing young players. My hunch is there will be fewer big signings each year, with a fair few ‘prospects’ signed - like Alysson or mane - and developed in the background. It’s probably the easiest way for us to become sustainable whilst still growing.
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If the Mane lad played against us, I don't remember him. But, if we are after younger, cheaper, players to develop, then shopping in the Premier League at any level isn't going to provide the value part.
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If the Mane lad played against us, I don't remember him. But, if we are after younger, cheaper, players to develop, then shopping in the Premier League at any level isn't going to provide the value part.
He was subbed on in the 77th minute
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Villa won’t be signing Mane from Wolves - what would be the point Unai wants players who have a lot of experience- he would not be starting an 18 year old in our side
We signed a 19 year old last week.
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Maatsen, Rogers, Garcia and Duran were all young.
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I could definitely see us trying to sign Harry Wilson on a free in the summer.
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Would be a big upgrade on Barkley but would he be happy with a bit part role?
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Would be a big upgrade on Barkley but would he be happy with a bit part role?
More of a forward player innee? Replacing Elliot/Sancho with someone actually of use.
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Would rather replace them with a proper pacy winger or twelve than another central player.
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Would be a big upgrade on Barkley but would he be happy with a bit part role?
More of a forward player innee? Replacing Elliot/Sancho with someone actually of use.
Indeed. And much as I love him, Unai nearly always seems to take SJM off after an hour these days.
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We can do that as well, as he's on a free. Plus I'm thinking of him more playing where McGinn does on the right, which I think is what the idea was with Elliot and not really a winger role.
I just think he has the skillset and versatility that would have us very interested, in an area we're a bit light.
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I'd love to see a Buendia upgrade come in.
Morgan Gibbs-White has been mentioned by a few people since last weekend.
Imagine you could offload Buendia now that his stock has risen a bit, to a team with a need and a realistic chance of staying up (and making good on the investment) – e.g., Leeds. For what, £20m?
And that you could send back your £35m purchase of Elliot.
That gets you to £55m – enough for MGW?
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My sil once taught him(mgw).Said he was a cock.
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MGW would be end of season surely - didnt Spurs trigger his release.
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From Fabrizio…
🚨 𝐇𝐄𝐑𝐄 𝐖𝐄 𝐆𝐎! Aston Villa agree on surprise deal to sign 2009 born gem Brian Madjo 💙💜
Seen as one of the best young strikers in Europe, Villa reach agreement for €12m to get him from FC Metz ✨
Five year contract agreed, medical booked and a new talent in Unai Emery’s hands signed for the future 🏴
𝐑𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐢𝐠𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝟏 𝐭𝐨 𝟏𝟎! ⭐️
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Our first Luxembourg International player?
Wiki says:
Madjo plays as a forward. Luxembourgish news website Virgule wrote in 2023 that he is a "1.86m tall guy, built like a rock, athletic and technically interesting".[6] Right-footed, he has received comparisons to Belgium international Romelu Lukaku.[7]
I like the 'technically interesting' description, I'm hoping that isn't in the same way that Ian Ormandroyd was similarly described.
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From Fabrizio…
🚨 𝐇𝐄𝐑𝐄 𝐖𝐄 𝐆𝐎! Aston Villa agree on surprise deal to sign 2009 born gem Brian Madjo 💙💜
Seen as one of the best young strikers in Europe, Villa reach agreement for €12m to get him from FC Metz ✨
Five year contract agreed, medical booked and a new talent in Unai Emery’s hands signed for the future 🏴
𝐑𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐢𝐠𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝟏 𝐭𝐨 𝟏𝟎! ⭐️
He is Brilliant ! ( off to GOOGLE )
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Pretty difficult to get excited over someone that is years away from ever playing for the first team.
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He's already played for the Metz first team in L1.
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Succession planning. What is this voodoo?
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He's already played for the Metz first team in L1.
True, 157 minutes this season, but nothing recently.
Maybe he has been grounded.
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He's already played for the Metz first team in L1.
True, 157 minutes this season, but nothing recently.
Maybe he has been grounded.
Has to be home before dark which makes it difficult in the winter.
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Is Brian Madjo a better version of Romelu Lukaku?
Madjo has already amassed three senior international appearances for Luxembourg, but he played for England's U17S during the last international break and could change allegiances as he's only played in friendlies for Luxembourg
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Unai Emery interested in Thiago Almada at Atletico Madrid
Villa have been linked to Thiago Almada in the past, but never made a move to sign the Argentina international.
Fichajes have reported direct interest from Emery, who is said to want “an extra dose of creativity” in his side to challenge the likes of Morgan Rogers and John McGinn.
The attacking midfielder is valued at £21million and could be let go by Diego Simeone’s side in the hope of balancing the books in the Spanish capital.
loan to buy and its a yes from me
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He looks the spit of my mates 15 year old son, which in turn makes me feel ancient.
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Unai Emery interested in Thiago Almada at Atletico Madrid
Villa have been linked to Thiago Almada in the past, but never made a move to sign the Argentina international.
Fichajes have reported direct interest from Emery, who is said to want “an extra dose of creativity” in his side to challenge the likes of Morgan Rogers and John McGinn.
The attacking midfielder is valued at £21million and could be let go by Diego Simeone’s side in the hope of balancing the books in the Spanish capital.
If there's any credibility in this, this is where the Elliott money would be going. Also, maybe we will cash in on Buendia in January (or more likely July), as someone above speculated.
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𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗔𝗩𝗙𝗖 𝗙𝗮𝗶𝘁𝗵𝗳𝘂𝗹@theavfcfaithful
Aston Villa have inquired about Zavier Gozo, from Real Salt Lake City. @MatteMoretto
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I would go £2.5 to £5 million because we would get that back on shirt sales to the USA
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The attacking midfielder is valued at £21million and could be let go by Diego Simeone’s side in the hope of balancing the books in the Spanish capital.
loan to buy and its a yes from me
It's reported here they only want €20m for him. The only thing he'll want is minutes what with the World Cup around the corner.
EDIT: They paid €21m + €9m in performance related that won't have been activated, so getting their money back should do it.
Come on, Unai, it would be rude not to.
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Unai Emery interested in Thiago Almada at Atletico Madrid
Villa have been linked to Thiago Almada in the past, but never made a move to sign the Argentina international.
Fichajes have reported direct interest from Emery, who is said to want “an extra dose of creativity” in his side to challenge the likes of Morgan Rogers and John McGinn.
The attacking midfielder is valued at £21million and could be let go by Diego Simeone’s side in the hope of balancing the books in the Spanish capital.
If there's any credibility in this, this is where the Elliott money would be going. Also, maybe we will cash in on Buendia in January (or more likely July), as someone above speculated.
Links
https://www.birminghamworld.uk/sport/football/aston-villa/aston-villa-eye-atletico-madrid-thiago-almada-sunderland-napoli-transfer-interest-5467401
https://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/sunderland-afc/transfer-news-sunderland-aston-villa-plot-thiago-almada-5467894
https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/raspadori-rejects-roma-atleti-now-150947186.html
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I would go £2.5 to £5 million because we would get that back on shirt sales to the USA
We'd make quite the splash in Brasil as well.
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According to Gazzetta, Bournemouth have shown interest in Bailey, and Roma would gladly terminate his loan to send him back to Aston Villa.
https://football-italia.net/zirkzee-issues-new-roma-chance-ferguson-bailey/
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Almada was the next big thing in Argentina a few years back and moved to MLS, as was common then, I think it was a record fee for an American team. He’s not y set the world alight since leaving South America.
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Almada would be a very good use of the Elliott money and would be a pretty clear replacement for Buendia in the mid-long term.
Gozo looks, to me, like the sort of player that Emery could turn into a star, reminds me a lot of Jackson for example.
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Gozo looks, to me, like the sort of player that Emery could turn into a star, reminds me a lot of Jackson for example.
As there are other threads ongoing with tiresome, poorly thought out puns throughout. I'm going to show discipline and refrain. But, its really hard.
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I wrote that line fully expecting at least a couple.
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Not sure about Almada, he's always been good on Football Manager but not done much in real life. Seems like another Joao Felix. Also I think he has some unresolved abuse allegations in Argentina?
I don't see us making a major move till the futures of Bailey and Elliot are resolved.
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Unai Emery interested in Thiago Almada at Atletico Madrid
Villa have been linked to Thiago Almada in the past, but never made a move to sign the Argentina international.
Fichajes have reported direct interest from Emery, who is said to want “an extra dose of creativity” in his side to challenge the likes of Morgan Rogers and John McGinn.
The attacking midfielder is valued at £21million and could be let go by Diego Simeone’s side in the hope of balancing the books in the Spanish capital.
If there's any credibility in this, this is where the Elliott money would be going. Also, maybe we will cash in on Buendia in January (or more likely July), as someone above speculated.
There's a possibility of a loan but according to one report in the last 24 hours in Brazil where Flamengo are said to be interested in him, Atlético want €30m for 50% of him, the remaining to be sold after the World Cup when they expect his value to increase.
Cheeky bastardos!
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Unai Emery interested in Thiago Almada at Atletico Madrid
Villa have been linked to Thiago Almada in the past, but never made a move to sign the Argentina international.
Fichajes have reported direct interest from Emery, who is said to want “an extra dose of creativity” in his side to challenge the likes of Morgan Rogers and John McGinn.
The attacking midfielder is valued at £21million and could be let go by Diego Simeone’s side in the hope of balancing the books in the Spanish capital.
If there's any credibility in this, this is where the Elliott money would be going. Also, maybe we will cash in on Buendia in January (or more likely July), as someone above speculated.
There's a possibility of a loan but according to one report in the last 24 hours in Brazil where Flamengo are said to be interested in him, Atlético want €30m for 50% of him, the remaining to be sold after the World Cup when they expect his value to increase.
Cheeky bastardos!
Sounds like Dragon’s Den pitch - I am looking for a 30m investment for a 50% share. I’m out.
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I'd love to see a Buendia upgrade come in.
Harvey Elliott?
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Aston Villa are also showing interest in Union Berlin defender Danilho Doekhi and could rival Leeds United for him this month.
Doekhi’s contract is set to expire in the summer, putting pressure on the situation. That means Union Berlin could be forced into a sale this month to ensure that they get any kind of fee for him.
Doekhi is the cousin of Lamare Bogarde, the Aston Villa youngster. That’s surely a connection they would use when it comes to trying to convince the 27-year-old.
https://sportwitness.co.uk/family-connection-could-help-aston-villa-beat-leeds-united-to-player-pl-duo-set-to-battle-it-out/
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I would say Emery didn’t think Elliot is an upgrade on anyone else in the squad, so I would imagine if anyone is leaving they need to be better than the replacement therefore a massive upgrade on Elliot.
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I would say Emery didn’t think Elliot is an upgrade on anyone else in the squad, so I would imagine if anyone is leaving they need to be better than the replacement therefore a massive upgrade on Elliot.
I'm not sure that's definitely true. I think he could believe Elliott is better than some of his options in the squad, and also think the £30m he'd cost would be better spent elsewhere. Both can be true.
If the £30m buy-clause wasn't there, I have no doubt we'd have seen as much of him (at least) as we have of Sancho. The only reason he's not played, is because Unai wants to do something else with that £30m. Which is obviously fair enough!
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With our restrictions and reasonable strength of squad, I'd like to see us do some pre-contract agreements where we take players on Bosman's in the summer. There does seem to be some good players with their contracts running down.
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With our restrictions and reasonable strength of squad, I'd like to see us do some pre-contract agreements where we take players on Bosman's in the summer. There does seem to be some good players with their contracts running down.
Me too. I love a good Bosman. Unfortunately, our main restriction is the player wages one. Free transfers often command higher salaries.
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Not necessarily if you can give them a big signing fee.
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Not sure there are many coming up this summer we'd be interested in - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege
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Not sure there are many coming up this summer we'd be interested in - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege
There's a few in there that could add to us I reckon
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I see Jumbo McKennie's on there.
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I see Jumbo McKennie's on there.
the one who got away
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I would say Emery didn’t think Elliot is an upgrade on anyone else in the squad, so I would imagine if anyone is leaving they need to be better than the replacement therefore a massive upgrade on Elliot.
I'm not sure that's definitely true. I think he could believe Elliott is better than some of his options in the squad, and also think the £30m he'd cost would be better spent elsewhere. Both can be true.
If the £30m buy-clause wasn't there, I have no doubt we'd have seen as much of him (at least) as we have of Sancho. The only reason he's not played, is because Unai wants to do something else with that £30m. Which is obviously fair enough!
Good point Smithy. To be honest I do not even know what Elliot's preferred or best position is. One thing it really highlights is how strapped, or how tightly our hands are tied. £30m in this day an age is peanuts and generally a squad player for many of the Premier sides, especially the Sky Six.
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I see Jumbo McKennie's on there.
the one who got away
The only thing he ever got away from was the salad bar.
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I see Jumbo McKennie's on there.
the one who got away
The only thing he ever got away from was the salad bar.
Pizza Hut has gone into administration, he won't be coming here anytime soon.
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Not sure there are many coming up this summer we'd be interested in - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege
There's a few in there that could add to us I reckon
There's some good players in there but most of those are either too old or will have too many clubs interested.
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I see Jumbo McKennie's on there.
the one who got away
The only thing he ever got away from was the salad bar.
Pizza Hut has gone into administration, he won't be coming here anytime soon.
Au contraire, he could be a one man salvation mission. The could remove the salad bars to make sure there's room for both his buttocks.
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Not sure there are many coming up this summer we'd be interested in - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege
There's a few in there that could add to us I reckon
We're in that slightly annoying position in that we don't have a particularly young squad, but also our more experienced players (with a couple of obvious exceptions) are more experienced at battling in mid-table and getting into Europe than they are experienced at actually winning stuff.
So while we do need to start reducing the overall age of the squad, I do think we'd benefit from one or two more people in the squad who know what it's like to get to a couple of finals each season and normally win them.
Off that list - someone like Goretzka / Rudiger / Christensen / Fabinho / maybe Gnabry. Contract for a couple of years with a decent signing on fee, not to play every game but too add depth and experience.
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I see Jumbo McKennie's on there.
the one who got away
The only thing he ever got away from was the salad bar.
Pizza Hut has gone into administration, he won't be coming here anytime soon.
Au contraire, he could be a one man salvation mission. The could remove the salad bars to make sure there's room for both his buttocks.
Idea for venture capitalists out there, if any are reading. Buy Pizza Hut in tandem with Premier League club, sign Winston. Sell rejuvenated brand, sell McKennie to West Ham.
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You're wasted in IT or whatever it is you do, Lee.
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You're wasted in IT or whatever it is you do, Lee.
Yes, lots of people down the years have told me I'm wasted.
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Interesting comments reported by Townley
Unai Emery says #AVFC are working hard to identify opportunities in the winter transfer window, but admits "some mistakes" were made in the summer. "In case we can improve the squad, we will do it. In case someone is leaving as well, we are alert."
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Not sure there are many coming up this summer we'd be interested in - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege
There's a few in there that could add to us I reckon
We're in that slightly annoying position in that we don't have a particularly young squad, but also our more experienced players (with a couple of obvious exceptions) are more experienced at battling in mid-table and getting into Europe than they are experienced at actually winning stuff.
So while we do need to start reducing the overall age of the squad, I do think we'd benefit from one or two more people in the squad who know what it's like to get to a couple of finals each season and normally win them.
Off that list - someone like Goretzka / Rudiger / Christensen / Fabinho / maybe Gnabry. Contract for a couple of years with a decent signing on fee, not to play every game but too add depth and experience.
A Kevin Richardson type signing.
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Not sure there are many coming up this summer we'd be interested in - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege
There's a few in there that could add to us I reckon
We're in that slightly annoying position in that we don't have a particularly young squad, but also our more experienced players (with a couple of obvious exceptions) are more experienced at battling in mid-table and getting into Europe than they are experienced at actually winning stuff.
So while we do need to start reducing the overall age of the squad, I do think we'd benefit from one or two more people in the squad who know what it's like to get to a couple of finals each season and normally win them.
Off that list - someone like Goretzka / Rudiger / Christensen / Fabinho / maybe Gnabry. Contract for a couple of years with a decent signing on fee, not to play every game but too add depth and experience.
Bernado Silva?
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Not necessarily if you can give them a big signing fee.
That counts as part of the ratio as well though
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🚨 Aston Villa are keen on Conor Gallagher — Emery is a long-term admirer, with Villa exploring a loan with obligation to buy.
@JacobsBen
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🚨 Aston Villa are keen on Conor Gallagher — Emery is a long-term admirer, with Villa exploring a loan with obligation to buy.
@JacobsBen
I’m not a huge fan but I can see the logic as replacement for Mcginn. Assume he’s on good money and would command a decent transfer fee though.
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I'm not a fan at all.
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Not sure about that.
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He's a good player. He was excellent at Palace while on loan and initally very good after he moved to Spain. He's also 25.
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If Unai admires him, I too (can come to) admire him.
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We've been consistently linked to him, but I've always thought he lacked calmness on the ball which you'd think is the first pre-requisite for playing in our midfield.
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We've been consistently linked to him, but I've always thought he lacked calmness on the ball which you'd think is the first pre-requisite for playing in our midfield.
Know what you mean, but I wouldn't have naturally thought it would be a strength of Cash, Konsa or McGinn's either prior to Unai, but with player buy-in and world class coaching and they've kept improving. As said above, strikes me as a decent long term replacement for the skipper.
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The Gallagher thing is now being reported on TalkSPORT (Yes, I sometimes listen). They don’t normally report random rumours. Might be something in this…
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Without random rumours, there is no TalkSport.
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Without random rumours, there is no TalkSport.
True. This was a bit different though. They sort of interrupted their coverage to bring the news. Felt a bit odd.
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I'm another who thinks his enthusiasm and energy mask some real technical deficencies. But I've not seen him Spain at all.
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Good fit for us on the sides of our midfield I reckon usually played well against us too. Proper competition for likes of McGinn. Think he struggled technically when England or Chelsea played him as a 6. He's not a Luiz or Tielemans who can play on the half turn. Has a goal in him. Don't see many downsides to that one (said the same re Elliot, mind).
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TalkSPORT is like Mrs Brown boys
No one admits to listening to it but always the first to tell you how shit it is and how much they dislike certain presenters
How do they know if they never turn it on
I’ll tell you why, because they do fucking listen that’s why
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No idea of the veracity of it, but the word on the mean streets of Clwyd is that Wrexham have accepted a bid from Villa for Max Cleworth (23yo central defender).
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TalkSPORT is like Mrs Brown boys
No one admits to listening to it but always the first to tell you how shit it is and how much they dislike certain presenters
How do they know if they never turn it on
I’ll tell you why, because they do fucking listen that’s why
That and voting for Thatcher.
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TalkSPORT is like Mrs Brown boys
No one admits to listening to it but always the first to tell you how shit it is and how much they dislike certain presenters
How do they know if they never turn it on
I’ll tell you why, because they do fucking listen that’s why
You make a good point John, but it's a bit like saying 'I don't watch ITV' (and I don't), but if they put something good on ITV (or football) then it'd be daft not to watch it just because it's on ITV.
Similarly, there are a couple of programmes (Hawksbee & Jacobs and the Max Rushden ones) on TS that buck the general trend for two key reasons: the presenters are vaguely witty, capable of nuance and don't take calls from the public, and former footballers don't present those shows. It makes a huge difference. I still barely listen to them but they're not unbearable shit like everything else.
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The 'don't take calls from the public' is key for me, I haven't listened to radio in general in yonks but the minute I'd hear 'lets go to the lines' on any show it would be off.
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The 'don't take calls from the public' is key for me, I haven't listened to radio in general in yonks but the minute I'd hear 'lets go to the lines' on any show it would be off.
The WM football phone in driving home every night when i used to be in the office 5 days a week before covid. Don’t know why I did it,I guess Im catholic and it was my self flagulation
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Didn't Atlético pay about £50m for him? He's going to cost a bomb.
It's a ball tingling prospect though. We're serious about winning the league lads. Come on! 8)
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5 live do the same for 606 and it is the same pub bores at the end of the bar who have an opinion on everything and always right.
You should listen out for me 👀😃
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Didn't Atlético pay about £50m for him? He's going to cost a bomb.
It's a ball tingling prospect though. We're serious about winning the league lads. Come on! 8)
around £33m apparently
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/ce933924n73o
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Didn't Atlético pay about £50m for him? He's going to cost a bomb.
It's a ball tingling prospect though. We're serious about winning the league lads. Come on! 8)
around £33m apparently
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/ce933924n73o
Less then, though still a big chunk. And we'd have to pay about the same if not more.
Rogers money? :-X
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Didn't Atlético pay about £50m for him? He's going to cost a bomb.
It's a ball tingling prospect though. We're serious about winning the league lads. Come on! 8)
around £33m apparently
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/ce933924n73o
Less then, though still a big chunk. And we'd have to pay about the same if not more.
Rogers money? :-X
£25m was the amount being bandied around last month when there was talk of him going to ManYoo.
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Didn't Atlético pay about £50m for him? He's going to cost a bomb.
It's a ball tingling prospect though. We're serious about winning the league lads. Come on! 8)
If memory serves they paid £26m.
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At that price for a not too long ago England interational who is a great age for continued growth and development, who seems to have a great attitude for me is a no brainer.
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He always played well for Chelsea against us. Unai was a big fan if I recall in the summer of 24, but he snubbed us (and we bagged Onana, or was it Maatsen?).
Wouldn't be surprised if Gallagher was wondering who got the better end of that deal...
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Wouldn’t be keen on Gallagher at all. Certainly not a position we need. Maybe we’ve got someone on the way out, given Unai’s comments in his press conference, and he’s an option for a replacement.
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Wouldn’t be keen on Gallagher at all. Certainly not a position we need. Maybe we’ve got someone on the way out, given Unai’s comments in his press conference, and he’s an option for a replacement.
If Elliott leaves we will need to add someone. Given Onana's injury record, Kamara and Youri have both missed time. Who knows wherer Ross is right now. SJM isn't getting younger he often comes off in games.
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Didn't Atlético pay about £50m for him? He's going to cost a bomb.
It's a ball tingling prospect though. We're serious about winning the league lads. Come on! 8)
They paid €21m + €9m in performance related that won't have been activated.
I think you’re on about the Argentine fella from a couple of pages back there mate. We’ve moved onto the ex-Chelsea bloke now.
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I'm not a fan at all.
Yeah, can we not just bring JJ home instead?
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Didn't Atlético pay about £50m for him? He's going to cost a bomb.
It's a ball tingling prospect though. We're serious about winning the league lads. Come on! 8)
They paid €21m + €9m in performance related that won't have been activated.
I think you’re on about the Argentine fella from a couple of pages back there mate. We’ve moved onto the ex-Chelsea bloke now.
Ha! Cheers, Percy.
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For £25m I'd snap his cock off.
Get it done Unai.
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For £25m I'd snap his cock off.
Get it done Unai.
Not sure that would make him want to join.
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I'm not a fan at all.
Yeah, can we not just bring JJ home instead?
Like the stains on the names of the lives of the young
He's gone, and it feels like the words to a song
But yeah, he's not coming back and nor should he.
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For £25m I'd snap his cock off.
Get it done Unai.
Not sure that would make him want to join.
Also would make him less of a player IMO.
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Nice that Man City are allowed to spend another £65m on a forward. They’re just not that well stocked up front.
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I'm not a fan at all.
Yeah, can we not just bring JJ home instead?
Like the stains on the names of the lives of the young
He's gone, and it feels like the words to a song
But yeah, he's not coming back and nor should he.
Feels like he's just another no one to you.
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I'm not a fan at all.
Yeah, can we not just bring JJ home instead?
Like the stains on the names of the lives of the young
He's gone, and it feels like the words to a song
But yeah, he's not coming back and nor should he.
Feels like he's just another no one to you.
He belongs to a world that's gone, sadly.
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I'm not a fan at all.
Yeah, can we not just bring JJ home instead?
Like the stains on the names of the lives of the young
He's gone, and it feels like the words to a song
But yeah, he's not coming back and nor should he.
Feels like he's just another no one to you.
He belongs to a world that's gone, sadly.
And he still goes down every game holding that foot, as gutting as it was to see him go we shouldn’t go back
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Took me a while, STM!
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Wouldn’t be keen on Gallagher at all. Certainly not a position we need. Maybe we’ve got someone on the way out, given Unai’s comments in his press conference, and he’s an option for a replacement.
The most obvious replacement I can see is for Barkley really.
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Or Buendia.
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Or Buendia.
They might technically both be 'midfielders', but they feel like VERY different players, surely? I'm not averse to Gallagher, I thought he was very good at Palace, and decent enough at Chelsea - no idea how he's got on in Spain, but it's not like he's lacking playing time. He has 27 appearances this season already, for the team 4th in Spain (and for a very demanding manager), so he must be doing something okay, even if he's not setting the world alight.
I'd take him on loan with an OPTION to buy, if it was possible. Particularly while Barkley still looks some way off and Onana keeps having niggles. Longer term (he's only 25), he could be McGinn's replacement.
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Wouldn’t be keen on Gallagher at all. Certainly not a position we need. Maybe we’ve got someone on the way out, given Unai’s comments in his press conference, and he’s an option for a replacement.
If Elliott leaves we will need to add someone. Given Onana's injury record, Kamara and Youri have both missed time. Who knows wherer Ross is right now. SJM isn't getting younger he often comes off in games.
We need players, but not to replace Elliott. He’s not featured for 3 months. I don’t think Gallagher replaces any of those players other than McGinn, and I REALLY hope we’re not thinking of him as McGinn’s replacement.
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I think if we were considering getting rid of SJM, we wouldn't keep subbing him all the time, perverse though that may sound. I believe Emery wants him to play on well into his mid-thirties and maybe beyond and that's why he is conserving his minutes.
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No idea of the veracity of it, but the word on the mean streets of Clwyd is that Wrexham have accepted a bid from Villa for Max Cleworth (23yo central defender).
He's not playing tonight, and isn't on the bench. We might have a new ITK maestro.
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Wouldn’t be keen on Gallagher at all. Certainly not a position we need. Maybe we’ve got someone on the way out, given Unai’s comments in his press conference, and he’s an option for a replacement.
If Elliott leaves we will need to add someone. Given Onana's injury record, Kamara and Youri have both missed time. Who knows wherer Ross is right now. SJM isn't getting younger he often comes off in games.
We need players, but not to replace Elliott. He’s not featured for 3 months. I don’t think Gallagher replaces any of those players other than McGinn, and I REALLY hope we’re not thinking of him as McGinn’s replacement.
My inclusion of Elliott is that if he was a player Emery wanted to keep he'd have played already. So having a valuable contributing player is important than the invisible squad player that is Elliott.
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No idea of the veracity of it, but the word on the mean streets of Clwyd is that Wrexham have accepted a bid from Villa for Max Cleworth (23yo central defender).
He's not playing tonight, and isn't on the bench. We might have a new ITK maestro.
Wrexham team sheet was late posting on BBC football and I am sure Cleworth was included when it was initially put up.
Ps I don’t do conspiracies so maybe just a cock up
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Would be happy with Gallagher.
Gallagher can do the McGinn role and CM and offers depth and variety.
I’m surprised but for us to sustain a title challenge we need this level of depth.
During the Arsenal defeat we had players like Garcia, Bogarde, Sancho, Jimoh and Hemmings on the pitch. I like most of them but none of them are ideal to be playing that match - and you compare with Arsenal and they have 8 top outfield players on the bench.
Had we got a point there we’d be 4 points off the top. The next step is more depth.
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Being reported on Sky Sports now as regards Gallagher
I think he would be a good signing but all hinges I suspect on Harvey going back
They paid £38m for him and want as close to that as possible
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Being reported on Sky Sports now as regards Gallagher
I think he would be a good signing but all hinges I suspect on Harvey going back
They paid £38m for him and want as close to that as possible
They don't play him. They will sell for less.
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What are the rules around loans, is it two foreign and two local? If so, we can loan Gallagher can't we?
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I said on here a week or so ago that i felt we needed another body in the middle. Not sure about Gallagher. We seem to be linked with him every transfer window though.
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Gallagher is a good player. But where’s he been playing for Athleti? Can’t really see it.
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Didn’t Vinnie say if Onana’s injury was long term then a midfielder was a strong possibility?
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I’m not sure, it’s makes sense in that McGinn will need updating and he can also fill a few roles across midfield well. It just worries me that funds are so tight and we might not then get a forward to replace or compete with Ollie.
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I’m not sure we need competition for Ollie this month really.
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I’m not sure we need competition for Ollie this month really.
What happens if he gets injured, is that our season over?
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I’m not sure we need competition for Ollie this month really.
What happens if he gets injured, is that our season over?
Yeah, what the fuck?!
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I’m not sure we need competition for Ollie this month really.
Why not?
I’m a huge fan of Ollie and I get he’s on a good streak of form, but we’ve got four months left and that could easily dip. He’s also not fully fit, as the rumours go, or by looking at how he moves. Even now while he’s playing better he still doesn’t look as sharp as he can be.
Who else can play in that role? Malen is ace, I rate him a lot, but he’s not that player to stand in for Ollie.
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I’m not sure we need competition for Ollie this month really.
Why not?
I’m a huge fan of Ollie and I get he’s on a good streak of form, but we’ve got four months left and that could easily dip. He’s also not fully fit, as the rumours go, or by looking at how he moves. Even now while he’s playing better he still doesn’t look as sharp as he can be.
Who else can play in that role? Malen is ace, I rate him a lot, but he’s not that player to stand in for Ollie.
Not sure Mad Joe is quite ready to rip the PL apart.
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Me neither.
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No idea of the veracity of it, but the word on the mean streets of Clwyd is that Wrexham have accepted a bid from Villa for Max Cleworth (23yo central defender).
He's not playing tonight, and isn't on the bench. We might have a new ITK maestro.
Again, no claim to having anything other than 3rd/4th hand rumours. But the numbers being bandied about are £15-20m and loaned back to Wrexham for the rest of the season.
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One thing in Ollie’s favour is that he is a player who isn’t on sick leave every other week. He’s now got to show good form between now and the end of the season to make the WC. He’s looking more like his old self in recent games, getting chances and missing the easy ones but that’s our Ollie.
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Was never impressed by Gallagher, lots of energy but lacking tecnique.
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No idea of the veracity of it, but the word on the mean streets of Clwyd is that Wrexham have accepted a bid from Villa for Max Cleworth (23yo central defender).
He's not playing tonight, and isn't on the bench. We might have a new ITK maestro.
Again, no claim to having anything other than 3rd/4th hand rumours. But the numbers being bandied about are £15-20m and loaned back to Wrexham for the rest of the season.
My Dad won't be happy, he's already annoyed about Alysson and Madjo. He wants players that will play NOW.
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No idea of the veracity of it, but the word on the mean streets of Clwyd is that Wrexham have accepted a bid from Villa for Max Cleworth (23yo central defender).
He's not playing tonight, and isn't on the bench. We might have a new ITK maestro.
Again, no claim to having anything other than 3rd/4th hand rumours. But the numbers being bandied about are £15-20m and loaned back to Wrexham for the rest of the season.
If there’s any truth to this that would be around £40 on 3 relatively unknown players who, more importantly, won’t be anywhere near the first team when we really need players who can really push the starters.
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Why sign Gallagher - the one area we're stacked with quality is CM? To paraphrase CDbearsfan, we need sexy wingers and strikers.
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Why sign Gallagher - the one area we're stacked with quality is CM? To paraphrase CDbearsfan, we need sexy wingers and strikers.
Well, Corkonian Aine May Kennedy still thinks Conor is sexy.
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I just worry that we're really lowering our standards haircut-wise. We learned our lesson with Elliott all too late. And his nose is too Roman.
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I just worry that we're really lowering our standards haircut-wise. We learned our lesson with Elliott all too late. And his nose is too Roman.
Nothing a short loan to Turkey wouldn't fix.
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Dont get the gallagher links. I wouldnt mind him in the squad - but we dont need him currently.
Surely we ned to focus on immediate problems - which is alternative wingers and forwards.
would rather a fit onnana, teilemans, kamara or mcginn over gallagher all day long.
Replacing Barkley feels very low down on our list of priority
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No idea of the veracity of it, but the word on the mean streets of Clwyd is that Wrexham have accepted a bid from Villa for Max Cleworth (23yo central defender).
He's not playing tonight, and isn't on the bench. We might have a new ITK maestro.
Again, no claim to having anything other than 3rd/4th hand rumours. But the numbers being bandied about are £15-20m and loaned back to Wrexham for the rest of the season.
If there’s any truth to this that would be around £40 on 3 relatively unknown players who, more importantly, won’t be anywhere near the first team when we really need players who can really push the starters.
If they’re not in the 25-man Europa League squad they won’t affect UEFA SCR I don’t think, and we might be quite healthy on PL PSR as we sold the women’s team to ourselves. Don’t forget it’s a new accounting period starting Jan 1st as well.
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Dont get the gallagher links. I wouldnt mind him in the squad - but we dont need him currently.
Surely we ned to focus on immediate problems - which is alternative wingers and forwards.
would rather a fit onnana, teilemans, kamara or mcginn over gallagher all day long.
Replacing Barkley feels very low down on our list of priority
Emery keeps trying it from time to time but bar a reasonably short hot spell for Bailey, every other winger we have had in recent seasons has flopped and flopped badly in some cases, none more so than the three signed a few months back. Sancho played ahead of McGinn at Arsenal but is a waste of space. Guessand other option in theory in that position. That drop off in quality is huge from SJM, an injury there would have us in trouble quickly. Gallagher addresses that risk, could play in JJs old spot on left. Cover at 10 too maybe. Good to press from the front. Can't rely on Barkley and his contract is running down. Emery seems to be going a bit cool on Buendia too, harsh enough based on his recent performances.
Watkins injury would be fatal for us I think. Malen is useful but only to a point. Said it recently but Id be open to moving him on this window if it meant bringing in a genuine challenger for Watkins.
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Wouldn’t be keen on Gallagher at all. Certainly not a position we need. Maybe we’ve got someone on the way out, given Unai’s comments in his press conference, and he’s an option for a replacement.
The most obvious replacement I can see is for Barkley really.
Thats what I thought. Gallagher replaces Barkley (and Buendia) in the short term and McGinn in the long term. Bogarde steps up to replace the Barkley as a 6.
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Watkins injury would be fatal for us I think. Malen is useful but only to a point. Said it recently but Id be open to moving him on this window if it meant bringing in a genuine challenger for Watkins.
Me too. Would probably get our money back which would be an amortised profit. We need to sell with payers close to their ceiling value and I think Malen (and Buendia) are ripe for departures without damaging the first team too much. Therefore, potentially Gallagher to replace Buendia and a striker - even on loan - to replace Malen.
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Thats what I thought. Gallagher replaces Barkley (and Buendia) in the short term and McGinn in the long term. Bogarde steps up to replace the Barkley as a 6.
Yeah I think it kind of works both as a market opportunity signing (under our perceived value), and a long term squad building.
Rotationally he could fill the Tielemans spot (part of the pivot pair, or as a defensively minded 10 in games where we want to player Rogers wide left), and long term he'd versatile enough to play the places McGinn does. (not that I want it, but the club can't afford to be idealistic about how long he can be top quality over the next few years). I'd be surprised if Barkley or Buendia are seen as long term options.
I think Bogarde replaces Kamara in the long term either as rotation (we'll be playing CL every season) or permanently (when R.Madrid start paying attention).
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Looking at this you can kind of see why Unai might want him. He likes to get a foot in and everything is at pace. Of course we have Booby and Onana and to a lesser extent Bogey who can do that but I can't help feeling he might be a better fit alongside Youri
https://youtu.be/F94YtTD9ZbE?si=_yfpH3wZckHJqrEM
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The really critical positions for us to strengthen are attacking options. I think Unai thinks he will get a tune out of Sancho. Like somebody said above, losing Watkins would mean we’d have to play a different way, because Malen ain’t a CF, not in the PL / this Villa team anyway.
Midfield is such a critical position for Villa so I actually do get the links to Gallagher. We are hugely reliant on Kamara and to a lesser extent Onana and both have dodgy injury records.
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Wouldn’t be keen on Gallagher at all. Certainly not a position we need. Maybe we’ve got someone on the way out, given Unai’s comments in his press conference, and he’s an option for a replacement.
The most obvious replacement I can see is for Barkley really.
Thats what I thought. Gallagher replaces Barkley (and Buendia) in the short term and McGinn in the long term. Bogarde steps up to replace the Barkley as a 6.
Don't think Emery has given Barkley a sniff at 6 this season. More at 10 again. Have a lot of options in some positions and then very little at RB, RM, CF
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And playing him at 10 seemed very deliberate, as though resolved to no longer play him at 8.
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I just remember for a while at Palace he was a great attacking threat from midfield, but watching that clip he certainly likes to press.
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Yes I would be surprised if we get Gallagher unless we have some moving out to make room.
Maybe it’s Bogarde which would be a shame. As mentioned we have greater need in other areas of the pitch but Gallagher could be a very good player for us.
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I think Bogarde is highly rated and has a long career at V P ahead of him
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Yes I would be surprised if we get Gallagher unless we have some moving out to make room.
Maybe it’s Bogarde which would be a shame. As mentioned we have greater need in other areas of the pitch but Gallagher could be a very good player for us.
Can’t see Bogarde going anywhere to be honest
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Bogarde can play three positions as well.
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I'd be amazed at Bogarde going, he's being patiently readied to take over from one of Onana or Kamara when someone needs selling.
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Perhaps that second half at Arsenal struck a chord. No Kamara, Onana gets injured and we’re a shadow of the team. That midfield is so critical to how we play and we’ve been here before in 23/24 when Kamara got injured and we limped over the line. Barkley would be a valuable option but he’s just too infrequently available.
We need more depth through the squad to compete at the top end we now operate at - we’re up against state-funded rule-avoiders who just spent 60m on a player mid-season they don’t need/to stop a rival getting him.
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And that just pisses me off , the media get all excited that City spunk another £60 million making it over £400 this year . Nobody taking a step back asking how is this good for football ?
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If we do sell someone, I saw Leeds being linked with Buendia again but at a more reasonable price (for us).
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If we do sell someone, I saw Leeds being linked with Buendia again but at a more reasonable price (for us).
Madness to sell Buendia after what's he's delivered already this season for us.
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If we do sell someone, I saw Leeds being linked with Buendia again but at a more reasonable price (for us).
For me, that's the obvious out. Would be a genuinely good deal for both parties at around £25m.
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And that just pisses me off , the media get all excited that City spunk another £60 million making it over £400 this year . Nobody taking a step back asking how is this good for football ?
A decision on the 115 charges was supposed to happen in October 2025 wasn't it? Can't remember seeing any mention of it at that time. Have always suspected that they will just delay and delay in the hope that people forget about it and it just goes away. Meanwhile, I see Cardiff in League One have had a transfer embargo slapped on them for "non-submission of annual accounts".
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I'd be amazed at Bogarde going, he's being patiently readied to take over from one of Onana or Kamara when someone needs selling.
Also fills a currently empty spot in our European squads from next season.
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I'd be amazed if Bogarde was sold any time soon, he's pretty much a perfect Emery player who can cover 3-4 roles in the team to a decent extent, has a great attitude and is technically solid.
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And that just pisses me off , the media get all excited that City spunk another £60 million making it over £400 this year . Nobody taking a step back asking how is this good for football ?
A decision on the 115 charges was supposed to happen in October 2025 wasn't it? Can't remember seeing any mention of it at that time. Have always suspected that they will just delay and delay in the hope that people forget about it and it just goes away. Meanwhile, I see Cardiff in League One have had a transfer embargo slapped on them for "non-submission of annual accounts".
EFL not PL, one(?) charge, not 130+, simple rule breach with little defence ("did you submit your accounts on time?" "no".)
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🚨💣 Aston Villa are eyeing a move for Tammy Abraham.
@mcgrathmike
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No thanks
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2021 just called and asked for its transfer rumours back.
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No thanks
Seconded.
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Aston Villa eye Tammy Abraham to help keep Premier League title challenge alive
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2026/01/10/aston-villa-eye-tammy-abraham-to-help-keep-premier-league/
The 28-year-old striker is currently on loan at Besiktas from Roma and has rediscovered his goalscoring touch in Turkey, netting 12 goals and providing three assists across 24 appearances in all competitions this season.
Ah, the good old days
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Why would he help keep our title dreams alive?
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I like Tammy. Better than Malen as a back up to Ollie. Him and Conor Gallagher makes us stronger
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Apart from 2 seasons, he really hasn't done much in top flight football.
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Is Abraham still a Roma player? Maybe there is going to be a funky deal involving Leon Bailey going to Besiktas.
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For 50p I'd take him back if wages were reasonable.
I doubt this would be the case.
It's a no from me.
Rather have Benteke.
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Benteke would be a stupid decision, Tammy would only be saft.
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Doubt Benteke would leave the UAE after 10 days.
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I don't think Smirker knows he just joined Al Wahda.
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Nor did I until I googled it
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Sums up where he is as a player now, which is fair enough at his age. Nice pension top up for a year or two.
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Seeing him again at VP would be ball tingling.
You can't say the same for Tammy.
So for that reason, Benteke.
But obviously we need to aim higher.
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It would be sad seeing a 35 year old Benteke ambling around out of depth. I'd prefer memories of him to be from when he was unplayable.
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Love the Beast. But as great as he was for us he’s too old now. And he always tried to get a move away while here through that prick of an agent. So no thanks
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My tuppence worth on Gallagher; I don’t think he’s suited to the DCM role. He doesn’t have the discipline and the position would hinder one of his greatest assets, buzzing around and pressing for 90 minutes.
For that reason I think he’s better suited in one of the three attacking positions.
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Jari Litmanen never relied on pace. Might be worth a go.
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Dont get the gallagher links. I wouldnt mind him in the squad - but we dont need him currently.
If Bouba is out for any length of time we could probably do with him ASAP.
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Tammy, Benteke, Gallagher, exes and old crushes, come on guys let's get on the apps and put our selves out there.
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Tammy, Benteke, Gallagher, exes and old crushes, come on guys let's get on the apps and put our selves out there.
I'm @SadGary on BigCountrysideLads.
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Tammy, Benteke, Gallagher, exes and old crushes, come on guys let's get on the apps and put our selves out there.
Gallagher is fine. The other two no thanks.
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Gallagher will be a decent signing. Gives us strength in depth and can cover a couple of positions in midfield. We are not going to win the league if we don't have a deeper squad. With Onana, Bouba, Barkley all out, this is obvious.
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Tammy, Benteke, Gallagher, exes and old crushes, come on guys let's get on the apps and put our selves out there.
Gallagher is fine. The other two no thanks.
But don't you think we should just, you know, try and meet some new players? I know they're out there waiting for us, I just know it.
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Yeah but it is mad that you can have a position where you have Kamara, Onana, Barkley, Tielemans and Bogarde and still say you need depth because so many of the fuckers get injured so often.
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Yeah but it is mad that you can have a position where you have Kamara, Onana, Barkley, Tielemans and Bogarde and still say you need depth because so many of the fuckers get injured so often.
That's true, but the way we set out sometimes, like today, when we play with a 'box' in midfield, we need additional choices.
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Yeah but it is mad that you can have a position where you have Kamara, Onana, Barkley, Tielemans and Bogarde and still say you need depth because so many of the fuckers get injured so often.
McGinn too. And as per other posts on this thread, I reckon if we do sign him then it's as the player to be phased in as his eventual replacement.
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Gallagher in Jan, Mingueza and Wilson on frees in the summer. That would do me.*
*Involves a bit of a Watkins/Madjo gamble.
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Yeah but it is mad that you can have a position where you have Kamara, Onana, Barkley, Tielemans and Bogarde and still say you need depth because so many of the fuckers get injured so often.
McGinn too. And as per other posts on this thread, I reckon if we do sign him then it's as the player to be phased in as his eventual replacement.
Yeah, I can definitely see that.
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The couple of young lads in to be amongst it and learn, Gallagher and Tammy for now. Would be class
I’m also not completely writing off Guessand yet. He will be back this week and in squad for our next game.
I mentioned a while ago that we may get another Brazilian. That was firmly Kaio Jorge. He’s just signed a new deal to stay put
The fee they wanted put every club in Europe off. Had they done a deal sub €20m then I believe he would’ve been a villa player by now. Ultimately clubs put off bigger fee due to his previous Europe experience
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Gallagher is the most Emery type footballer I think you could find. Works hard, bit of a leader, good but not stellar career to date so can be improved, got a good shot, will tactically keep his discipline. I reckon he could play in any of our box midfield roles perfectly happily, and thrive. Midfield is more important than up top too, Guessand is clearly a centre forward and just not playing there yet, Malen is a good option and Watkins is getting a bit sharper. Gallagher and a wide option I think we're all set now.
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We are 100% still in market for a defender also
My own opinion. Surprised Mingueza hasn’t happened yet. Unais wanted him for ages.
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We are 100% still in market for a defender also
My own opinion. Surprised Mingueza hasn’t happened yet. Unais wanted him for ages.
His contract up in the summer but they're going quite well, so they may want to hang on to him and qualify for Europe.
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Tappy tap taps...
🚨🏴 Aston Villa are interested in bringing Tammy Abraham back to Premier League this month.
Even after Brian Madjo deal, Villa want one more striker if there’s a good opportunity available.
Initial talks took place to ask about Tammy, as The Telegraph reported.
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Tappy tap taps...
🚨🏴 Aston Villa are interested in bringing Tammy Abraham back to Premier League this month.
Even after Brian Madjo deal, Villa want one more striker if there’s a good opportunity available.
Initial talks took place to ask about Tammy, as The Telegraph reported.
To be fair Tammmy's (just noticed his actual first name is Kevin) record of 1 in 2 wherever he has been is impressive but I do wonder about his all round game, which of course could change dramatically under the boss
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We are 100% still in market for a defender also
My own opinion. Surprised Mingueza hasn’t happened yet. Unais wanted him for ages.
So Vinnie, Tammy, Conor and Mingueza are realistic options we are pursuing? I would be happy with that!
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We are 100% still in market for a defender also
My own opinion. Surprised Mingueza hasn’t happened yet. Unais wanted him for ages.
So Vinnie, Tammy, Conor and Mingueza are realistic options we are pursuing? I would be happy with that!
I don’t know. Just my own thoughts.
Unai tried to get Gallagher from Chelsea before he moved to Madrid so can see that being true.
Defo wants Mingueza but last I heard it was more for the summer on a free
Heard nothing about Tammy
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Thanks Vinnie. Just spotted this in the Telegraph article.
“Landing him again would be a complicated deal as Abraham is midway through a loan that will be made permanent for £11.2m if certain conditions are met. ”
£11m seems a good deal to me
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We are 100% still in market for a defender also
My own opinion. Surprised Mingueza hasn’t happened yet. Unais wanted him for ages.
In and around the Spanish national squad and contract up in the summer. Will be a good option for some of the bigger Spanish sides if he wants to remain there.
Pau Torres' lack of game time for the national side since he joined us might put him off n'all.
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The impedimrnt to any moves - either on loan, loan to buy or permanent signings is: can we can make the numbers stack up under the alphabet soup of financial regulations that are screwing us over.
Assuming we'd budgetted to soend the rumoured £35m on Elliott and can do a deal with Liverpool (I reckon we'll have to pay compo), then we could/should have c. £25-30m of that sum spare, plus whatever his wages are.
Turning to thecquestion of signing Conor Gallagher:
Barkley won't be contributing much next season (if he's still here) and if we can bring Gallagher in now, we might be able to offload him for a modest fee to a club that will hive him a two or two and a half year contract - attractive to him if it gives him more money overall; then getting his wages off the books will also help with SCR.
That would give us midfield roster of
Kamara
Bogarde
Gallagher
McGinn
Tielemans
Onana
Hemmings
And give us plenty of options as well as softening the blow should we get an offer for one of our current midfielders that is so "generous" we couldn't turn it down.
After all, the last Conor to play for Villa did ok for us!!
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I'd put my house on Tammy coming, and I always have mega belief in A.. The manager... B any new signing.. Glass ain't half full.. It's overflowing
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If I remember correctly Tammy was excellent defending set pieces, I wonder if this is a factor.
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When he was at the Villa before, Tammy said he was just as happy as a wide striker as well as a CF.
If he can still do that, then as an upgrade to Malen and Guessand, if the price is sensible, then I think it’s a good option.
Not least because being realistically in contention for the PL means we could/should take a punt to achieve something this season rather than just looking to the medium/long term. UTV
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Tammy would be fine as a squad option as would Gallagher….not players to set the pulses raising in terms of excitement signings but exactly the type of players Unai seems to like, ones he can condition to do what he wants.
We need a squad striker, for me Ollie missing 10 games would kill us…I like Malen as an impact sub, 2nd striker and wide player but he’s a pinball machine if you want a striker to hold a ball up.
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Wanted Tammy last summer so delighted if he comes onboard again. Whether he's happy to be Ollie's backup is another thing. Don't see them playing in a two. He was flying at Roma under Mourinho until a serious injury. Has shown good resilience to come back scoring goals again at a decent level. Think he would be a good fit for Emery, stay central like Watkins and holding the ball up.
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When he was at the Villa before, Tammy said he was just as happy as a wide striker as well as a CF.
If he can still do that, then as an upgrade to Malen and Guessand, if the price is sensible, then I think it’s a good option.
Not least because being realistically in contention for the PL means we could/should take a punt to achieve something this season rather than just looking to the medium/long term. UTV
I’m not sure Tammy would be an upgrade on Malen.
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I think in Emery's first summer Tammy was coming and the deal was already done, then he did his ACL in their last game of the season. Bit like how we were in for Gallagher and seem to be in for him again.
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Tammy Abramam?! We really must be skint.
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Tammy Abramam?! We really must be skint.
We all know it’s not allowed to spend because of the corrupt sky 6 rules not skint in any way
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That's what I meant.
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When he was at the Villa before, Tammy said he was just as happy as a wide striker as well as a CF.
If he can still do that, then as an upgrade to Malen and Guessand, if the price is sensible, then I think it’s a good option.
Not least because being realistically in contention for the PL means we could/should take a punt to achieve something this season rather than just looking to the medium/long term. UTV
I’m not sure Tammy would be an upgrade on Malen.
Probably cheaper if Malen’s reported wages are true.
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When he was at the Villa before, Tammy said he was just as happy as a wide striker as well as a CF.
If he can still do that, then as an upgrade to Malen and Guessand, if the price is sensible, then I think it’s a good option.
Not least because being realistically in contention for the PL means we could/should take a punt to achieve something this season rather than just looking to the medium/long term. UTV
I’m not sure Tammy would be an upgrade on Malen.
As a CF, he absolutely is. Whether he is as a wide striker would be up for debate … largely because I’ve not seen that much of him recently.
He (Tammy) certainly has pace and strength.
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Tammy Abramam?! We really must be skint.
We all know it’s not allowed to spend because of the corrupt sky 6 rules not skint in any way
We're dropping the best part of £20m on two teenagers and we're one one of only four Premier League teams to sign someone so far this transfer window.
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Tammy Abramam?! We really must be skint.
We all know it’s not allowed to spend because of the corrupt sky 6 rules not skint in any way
We're dropping the best part of £20m on two teenagers and we're one one of only four Premier League teams to sign someone so far this transfer window.
Yes that’s all quite difficult to square.
Tammy doesn’t fill me with excitement, but I suppose as cheap back up not the end of the world.
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Tammy Abramam?! We really must be skint.
We all know it’s not allowed to spend because of the corrupt sky 6 rules not skint in any way
We're dropping the best part of £20m on two teenagers and we're one one of only four Premier League teams to sign someone so far this transfer window.
Not exactly shopping at the top table though is it….when you have Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea even donkeys who finished in the bottom 6 in ManUre & Spurs dropping £60-£120m+ on single players in the summer….& the cheats already spending
£60m+ this month
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Turning to thecquestion of signing Conor Gallagher:
Barkley won't be contributing much next season (if he's still here) and if we can bring Gallagher in now, we might be able to offload him for a modest fee to a club that will hive him a two or two and a half year contract - attractive to him if it gives him more money overall; then getting his wages off the books will also help...
I'm sure I've read that Barkley is out of contract in June, think there's an option for a third year but he's been injured half the time and I doubt we'd take it up just to sell him on. More likely we'll be fair to him and let him get one more signing-on fee contract with Fulham or someone. He can replace Harry Wilson coming our way.
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Quite intriguing - it feels like he’s been abroad forever, and with the passage of time, it’s hard to gauge his level is in today’s Premier League currency.
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Tammy Wynette is preferred choice compared to Tammy Abraham however I believe she's not available.
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Not sure on the downer for Abraham. I doubt we are getting him in as first choice replacement for Watkins and as striker cover on loan or cheap he can do a job for us.
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Tammy Abraham career club record
Season Club Apps Goals
2016–21 Chelsea 82 30
2016–17 Bristol City (loan) 48 26
2017–18 Swansea City (loan) 39 8
2018–19 Aston Villa (loan) 40 26
2021– Roma 120 37
2024–25 AC Milan (loan) 44 10
2025– Besiktas (loan) 24 12
Total 397 149
It’s a pretty impressive scoring record
Sorry about the formatting
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I’d love us to get Tammy back.
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Turkish sources on Twatter reporting that we've begun negotiations for Abraham, although given Bailey's "success" at Roma, will they be happy to deal with us unless we take Leon back?
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I’d love us to get Tammy back.
And from what I remember I also think he “gets” us
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He's coming home.
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If I remember correctly Tammy was excellent defending set pieces, I wonder if this is a factor.
Good point.
Also v useful attacking them in the final third n'all, which is an important component to our play.
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Tammy was great for us, but it was in the Championship. He did, however, prove he can perform at Premier League level with Chelsea during our first two years back up, and he did well in Serie A in his first season, but his goalscoring hasn't been as good since 2023, and after his ACL injury. Since his return from injury he's played about 80 games for Roma, AC Milan and Besiktas, and has about a 1 in 4 goal return. Pre-injury he was slightly better than 1 in 3.
I think he'd be a great squad option, but I don't think he's the missing piece of a long-term jigsaw for us.
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Aren't all jigsaws long-term?!
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I would imagine given what Emery said about consulting Mata over Lindelof that McGinn and Mings would have been asked to offer their thoughts, and I also presume they'd be very positive.
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Sounds like a complex deal, on loan at Besiktas from Roma with an obligation to buy when certain terms are met. So we’ll need to negotiate with two clubs with the added complication of Roma wanting to get out of the Bailey loan they have with us. Complex.
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Aren't all jigsaws long-term?!
You get those ones with just 6 pieces or so for infants aged 6-12 months, that generally don’t take more than an hour or so if you concentrate.
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If I remember correctly Tammy was excellent defending set pieces, I wonder if this is a factor.
Yeah, but Emery wasn’t here then
And he wouldn’t have watched any videos or anything or done much deep research because he’s not that type, just wings it
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Tammy did do his fair share of tracking back from memory. From corners, that I can't remember. He'd be a good addition I think, even if he's one I wasnt really expecting.
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Tammy in the Championship and now will be different players. More experienced, played at different clubs in Italy and Turkey. Still only 28 and would come in as a back up. Malen isn’t a viable starting option in place of Ollie. Two very different players. Tammy is a centre forward, good in the air, decent at holding up the ball. He won’t chase down like Ollie but then most players won’t. But for what we need, what we can spend, especially in the Jan window and a player with some solid European competition experience he’d be a good addition.
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Tammy in the Championship and now will be different players. More experienced, played at different clubs in Italy and Turkey. Still only 28 and would come in as a back up. Malen isn’t a viable starting option in place of Ollie. Two very different players. Tammy is a centre forward, good in the air, decent at holding up the ball. He won’t chase down like Ollie but then most players won’t. But for what we need, what we can spend, especially in the Jan window and a player with some solid European competition experience he’d be a good addition.
Agree with all that and he knows the club and always had a strong relationship with the fans. That must make it easier to settle in quickly if the deal happens.
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With our financial issues a deal for Tammy would make sense. A second experienced sticker happy to come off the bench is difficult. As others have said, he would hit the ground running knowing the club well and a good bond with the fans.
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In Unai we must trust nevertheless, if he can do something with Tammy...
Come home, son.
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He would bring a different dynamic with holding the ball up. He has been away awhile hasn’t he 🤔
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Tammy Abramam?! We really must be skint.
We all know it’s not allowed to spend because of the corrupt sky 6 rules not skint in any way
We're dropping the best part of £20m on two teenagers and we're one one of only four Premier League teams to sign someone so far this transfer window.
BTammy Abramam?! We really must be skint.
We all know it’s not allowed to spend because of the corrupt sky 6 rules not skint in any way
We're dropping the best part of £20m on two teenagers and we're one one of only four Premier League teams to sign someone so far this transfer window.
Yes that’s all quite difficult to square.
The crucial bit is these signing sit outside the UEFAs profitability rules (assuming they’re not named in the Europa squad), so an example of the club leveraging every opportunity to our advantage.
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Solid quote fail Dante
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Ideally let them take up the rest of Sancho's loan from us as part of the deal. They were interested in him in the summer before getting Bailey in.
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Sounds like a complex deal, on loan at Besiktas from Roma with an obligation to buy when certain terms are met. So we’ll need to negotiate with two clubs with the added complication of Roma wanting to get out of the Bailey loan they have with us. Complex.
Tammy to us, Bailey to Besiktas and Roma get the balance of the money.
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🚨 Roma are interested in Donyell Malen.
@AlfredoPedulla
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Tammy Wynette is preferred choice compared to Tammy Abraham however I believe she's not available.
She was always good at organising the defence at corners, getting them to standby their man.
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🚨 Roma are interested in Donyell Malen.
@AlfredoPedulla
no. thanks we need a squad
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Definite no.
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🚨 Roma are interested in Donyell Malen.
@AlfredoPedulla
Of course they are, who wouldn't be. Even if he were for sale I doubt they'd have the money.
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🚨 Roma are interested in Donyell Malen.
@AlfredoPedulla
I’d be okay with that on the basis another striker joins (Tammy?). Turning a profit on the deal, including any Bailey shenanigans, should be viable too. Complicated series of deals though.
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🚨 Roma are interested in Donyell Malen.
@AlfredoPedulla
Well, their opening gambit would need to include their commitment to buying Bailey!
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I like Malen but he doesn't really fit our setup. Maybe more of a club/Monchi buy than Emery. So strange we got in Asensio and Rashford on loan maybe a week after signing him. Meant to be on big wages too so wouldn't be surprised in a Tammy swap deal.
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🚨 Roma are interested in Donyell Malen.
@AlfredoPedulla
I’d be okay with that on the basis another striker joins (Tammy?). Turning a profit on the deal, including any Bailey shenanigans, should be viable too. Complicated series of deals though.
No chance. He’s just started to become really effective in our style of play. Look at his role yesterday - plus they wouldn’t be offering any significant profit, if it were profit at all.
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🚨 Roma are interested in Donyell Malen.
@AlfredoPedulla
I’d be okay with that on the basis another striker joins (Tammy?). Turning a profit on the deal, including any Bailey shenanigans, should be viable too. Complicated series of deals though.
No chance. He’s just started to become really effective in our style of play. Look at his role yesterday - plus they wouldn’t be offering any significant profit, if it were profit at all.
Exactly. He's not direct competition for Watkins, instead Unai has found a way to play to his strengths, yesterday he drifted all over the frontline, playing on the left with Rogers more central, popping up on the right, in the middle for the quick one-twos, he's a top player with more than an eye for goal. Hugely important player for us whether be starting or from the bench.
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🚨 Roma are interested in Donyell Malen.
@AlfredoPedulla
I’d be okay with that on the basis another striker joins (Tammy?). Turning a profit on the deal, including any Bailey shenanigans, should be viable too. Complicated series of deals though.
No chance. He’s just started to become really effective in our style of play. Look at his role yesterday - plus they wouldn’t be offering any significant profit, if it were profit at all.
Exactly. He's not direct competition for Watkins, instead Unai has found a way to play to his strengths, yesterday he drifted all over the frontline, playing on the left with Rogers more central, popping up on the right, in the middle for the quick one-twos, he's a top player with more than an eye for goal. Hugely important player for us whether be starting or from the bench.
Him, Bogarde, Buendia, Lindeloff and Bizot have been absolutely huge for us as not-quite-starters this season, the impact they've had when playing has turned countless games from draws or defeats to wins.
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Turning to thecquestion of signing Conor Gallagher:
Barkley won't be contributing much next season (if he's still here) and if we can bring Gallagher in now, we might be able to offload him for a modest fee to a club that will hive him a two or two and a half year contract - attractive to him if it gives him more money overall; then getting his wages off the books will also help...
I'm sure I've read that Barkley is out of contract in June, think there's an option for a third year but he's been injured half the time and I doubt we'd take it up just to sell him on. More likely we'll be fair to him and let him get one more signing-on fee contract with Fulham or someone. He can replace Harry Wilson coming our way.
Going to Wolves apparently to team up with Edwards again. They’ll offer him a 2 year deal
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Turkish sources on Twatter reporting that we've begun negotiations for Abraham, although given Bailey's "success" at Roma, will they be happy to deal with us unless we take Leon back?
I’d have Bailey back to replace Sancho
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Tammy's record in Italy, so most of his last 5 years, in the league, is 29 in 112 games. Not really exciting, is it? I do think it's a bit of rose tinted glasses with how well he did for us in the Championship by some but I guess we need bodies in.
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Malen is more use to us than Tammy. Happy to have both and swap Tammy for Bailey in some way though.
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Tammy's record in Italy, so most of his last 5 years, in the league, is 29 in 112 games. Not really exciting, is it? I do think it's a bit of rose tinted glasses with how well he did for us in the Championship by some but I guess we need bodies in.
He did exceptionally well in his first season, 27 goals in 53 games, second not so great and finished it by tearing his ACL which pretty much wrote of the following season. He then went on loan to AC Milan where he was brought in to fill up the squad. 12 goals in 24 in Turkey this season shows he's found his goalscoring boots.
He wouldn't be my first choice but who else is there out there we could bring in on loan?
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Tammy's record in Italy, so most of his last 5 years, in the league, is 29 in 112 games. Not really exciting, is it? I do think it's a bit of rose tinted glasses with how well he did for us in the Championship by some but I guess we need bodies in.
It's completely bizarre, in my arrogant opinion.
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Tammy's record in Italy, so most of his last 5 years, in the league, is 29 in 112 games. Not really exciting, is it? I do think it's a bit of rose tinted glasses with how well he did for us in the Championship by some but I guess we need bodies in.
It's completely bizarre, in my arrogant opinion.
It's not a good record but if you add his 30 assists then it is 59 in 112 and looks much better.
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He is 28 experienced knows the club so if we can do a good deal on him let’s do it
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We need somebody who can hold the ball up and play with his back to goal when Watkins isn't doing it or not in the pitch. Malen is good at linking up and working channels, but he can't play that way and it impacts us when we need to drag us higher up the pitch.
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(https://i.ibb.co/1YCQ3YQX/Screenshot-20260111-185145.png) (https://ibb.co/1YCQ3YQX)
Duran has 3 goals in 8 games.
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Malen is more use to us than Tammy. Happy to have both and swap Tammy for Bailey in some way though.
that's the badger!
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We would have to be insane to swap Malen for Tammy.
This Tammy stuff really is nonsense, it's sentimentality overcoming actual truth. We might as well go the whole hog and get Jonathan Kodjia back, too.
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We need somebody who can hold the ball up and play with his back to goal when Watkins isn't doing it or not in the pitch. Malen is good at linking up and working channels, but he can't play that way and it impacts us when we need to drag us higher up the pitch.
True but that doesn’t mean we don’t need Malen to bring other attributes.
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I do always get a vague notion that Unai has never really decided quite what to do with Malen. Swapping Malen for Abraham, but with a massive packet of cash coming in our direction to allow us to sign a fancy winger, might not be catastrophic.
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Aston Villa's interest in Abraham is correct, but there is no official offer that has reached Beşiktaş yet.
ℹ️ There are claims that Aston Villa are considering an Abraham–Guessand swap.
@firatgunayer
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Aston Villa's interest in Abraham is correct, but there is no official offer that has reached Beşiktaş yet.
ℹ️ There are claims that Aston Villa are considering an Abraham–Guessand swap.
@firatgunayer
Sign me up for that.
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That changes everything. Do it.
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Aston Villa's interest in Abraham is correct, but there is no official offer that has reached Beşiktaş yet.
ℹ️ There are claims that Aston Villa are considering an Abraham–Guessand swap.
@firatgunayer
Happy New Year!
I could maybe see Besiktas going for that. The Guessman might even look half decent in a vastly inferior league.
But don't see a club of Roma's pedigree being that daft, sadly.
How many Italian defences are going to be conned by a supposed wide forward knocking it past the full back and trying to outpace him.
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If we do, I'm very comfortable with it. Wouldn't be my choice, but my choice wouldn't have been that bloke who looked alright on the wing for Middlesbrough either.
And as I've said a couple of times, Emery turns decent strikers into great strikers. I don't think him scoring one in four in Italy is what he is for us. If they've decided that with our budget then Abraham is something to work with, then at time of writing their track record is good enough to assume they know what they're doing.
If we do sign him, I'm completely certain they're not doing it out of sentimentality from the Championship days, when none of them were here.
Wouldn't be swapping him for Malen though. And I think my main objection if we brought him in permanently, isn't really how good he is. It's the sign that our strikers for the next couple of years are probably "Watkins and Abraham", rather than "one of the world's best new strikers, being supported by Watkins".
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Aston Villa's interest in Abraham is correct, but there is no official offer that has reached Beşiktaş yet.
ℹ️ There are claims that Aston Villa are considering an Abraham–Guessand swap.
@firatgunayer
Excellent deal, let's bring Tammy home.
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Aston Villa's interest in Abraham is correct, but there is no official offer that has reached Beşiktaş yet.
ℹ️ There are claims that Aston Villa are considering an Abraham–Guessand swap.
@firatgunayer
Excellent deal, let's bring Tammy home.
Ha ha yeah I thought that.
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I wouldn’t have thought we would have given up on Guessand just yet
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Not sure what Besitkas has to do with it?
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Tammy's record in Italy, so most of his last 5 years, in the league, is 29 in 112 games. Not really exciting, is it? I do think it's a bit of rose tinted glasses with how well he did for us in the Championship by some but I guess we need bodies in.
It's completely bizarre, in my arrogant opinion.
It's not a good record but if you add his 30 assists then it is 59 in 112 and looks much better.
Haha!
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Not sure what Besitkas has to do with it?
He's on loan to Besiktas from Roma but they've already met the requirement to sign him permanently. So, he will be a Besiktas player this summer unless Villa or someone else come to an agreement with them in the meantime.
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Aston Villa's interest in Abraham is correct, but there is no official offer that has reached Beşiktaş yet.
ℹ️ There are claims that Aston Villa are considering an Abraham–Guessand swap.
@firatgunayer
Excellent deal, let's bring Tammy home.
I’m not at all keen on us signing Tammy, but if this is the deal let’s shake on it , NOW!
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Ratface on loan.
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Isn't there rules on how many different owners in a season etc? Especially when all the teams involved play in same season timings.
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You can only play for two teams in a season but there is nothing stopping you signing for more than two. Abraham has only played for Beşiktaş this season.
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Abraham’s release clause is 30m eur according to some journo.
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But they've agreed to sell him for far less than that.
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But they've agreed to sell him for far less than that.
What is the rumoured fee ?
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I think someone on here mentioned something around £11 million?
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Wouldn't want to sign Tammy now, a loan deal but definitely not permanent. Ideally we could use that 30m towards replacing Watkins in the summer.
As for Guessand, again a loan with a plan to shift him to the Saudis in the summer. They wanted him last summer, offered a higher transfer fee than we did but Guessand refused and said he was only interested in signing for us. 12 months is a long time in football, hopefully they're still interested and Guessand will put to bed his PL dreams and cash-in on a Saudi deal. Playing a few months in Turkey will do him no harm.
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But they've agreed to sell him for far less than that.
To Besiktas though, when an English team shows interest it’ll be for a bigger fee than was initially agreed, I’d assume.
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Nobody has suggested any issue between Villa/Roma so I don't think so. Assume we pay the fee that Roma and Beşiktaş have agreed and maybe give Beşiktaş a few quid for their trouble.
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Ratface on loan.
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What the Turkish press seem to be saying is that Besiktas has the obligation to buy, so would buy, then sell to us, but only for 30 million euros. We do that we're utterly insane. Go get younger, more mobile, striker centre forward from somewhere. He's worth 15 max.
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What the Turkish press seem to be saying is that Besiktas has the obligation to buy, so would buy, then sell to us, but only for 30 million euros. We do that we're utterly insane. Go get younger, more mobile, striker centre forward from somewhere. He's worth 15 max.
Yes.
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Yeah, feck that.
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Ratface on loan.
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Guessing Gallagher
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Ratface on loan.
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Guessing Gallagher
Ratfacè (Italian winger)
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Tammy has scored 1 in 2 in Turkey. We wouldn’t sign him as our primary option. His attitude always seems to be great. He is a bigger, stronger version of the player who was with us in his early 20’s. Good as a target man up front. A very useful option when defending set pieces. For a reasonable price I think he’d be a very good signing. He’s only 28. We watched 35 year old Danny Wellbeck still doing the business for Brighton. Emery likes experienced players with versatility and that intelligence that also comes from developing their game on the continent. I would be very happy to get Tammy and Gallagher in the January window to add that extra bit of depth and quality to our second half trophy push.
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In the right deal - I would have no issue with Tammy.
Warming to Gallagher too
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Tammy has scored 1 in 2 in Turkey. We wouldn’t sign him as our primary option. His attitude always seems to be great. He is a bigger, stronger version of the player who was with us in his early 20’s. Good as a target man up front. A very useful option when defending set pieces. For a reasonable price I think he’d be a very good signing. He’s only 28. We watched 35 year old Danny Wellbeck still doing the business for Brighton. Emery likes experienced players with versatility and that intelligence that also comes from developing their game on the continent. I would be very happy to get Tammy and Gallagher in the January window to add that extra bit of depth and quality to our second half trophy push.
Gallagher has proved himself to be a PL standard player.
Tammy hasn't.
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🚨 Roma are in talks to sign Donyell Malen on loan.
@DiMarzio
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I don't see any value in letting Donny go. He's scoring a few goals, offers something different and is literally the only forward we have with pace. It would be a mind bogglingly poor decision.
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Tammy has scored 1 in 2 in Turkey. We wouldn’t sign him as our primary option. His attitude always seems to be great. He is a bigger, stronger version of the player who was with us in his early 20’s. Good as a target man up front. A very useful option when defending set pieces. For a reasonable price I think he’d be a very good signing. He’s only 28. We watched 35 year old Danny Wellbeck still doing the business for Brighton. Emery likes experienced players with versatility and that intelligence that also comes from developing their game on the continent. I would be very happy to get Tammy and Gallagher in the January window to add that extra bit of depth and quality to our second half trophy push.
Gallagher has proved himself to be a PL standard player.
Tammy hasn't.
Tammy has played in 89 PL games scoring 26 times plus 5 assists. Conor Gallagher has 136 PL appearances by comparison.
There are plenty of players that get signed without PL experience. And while Tammy doesn’t have a lot of games in the PL I don’t know if it disqualifies him as a PL level player. He’s played in Serie A, Turkey’s top league, Europa and Champions League. And he’s been picked for England 11 times.
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I don't see any value in letting Donny go. He's scoring a few goals, offers something different and is literally the only forward we have with pace. It would be a mind bogglingly poor decision.
Especially on-loan. I assume we'd only let him go if we're bringing in a better option.
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Tammy's record in Italy, so most of his last 5 years, in the league, is 29 in 112 games. Not really exciting, is it? I do think it's a bit of rose tinted glasses with how well he did for us in the Championship by some but I guess we need bodies in.
It's completely bizarre, in my arrogant opinion.
It's not a good record but if you add his 30 assists then it is 59 in 112 and looks much better.
Haha!
I get the gag, but he actually only has 11 assists in Serie A.
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🚨 Roma are in talks to sign Donyell Malen on loan.
@DiMarzio
It would be a shame if Malen left before my Dad learnt his name, rather than simply referring to him as 'Baldy'.
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I don't see any value in letting Donny go. He's scoring a few goals, offers something different and is literally the only forward we have with pace. It would be a mind bogglingly poor decision.
If it was "he's going on loan so we can sign Rashford permanently" then yeah, ok. Otherwise fuck off.
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🚨 Roma are in talks to sign Donyell Malen on loan.
@DiMarzio
Don't see any sense in this, unless we've pulled a major rabbit out of the hat to replace him. He's been decent after a slow start, and grown into the team.
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I’d rather keep Malen but it all depends on financial manoeuvrability. I’d happily ditch Guessand before Malen every day of the week. Malen is an odd player as he doesn’t fit winger or striker but he’s been a superb player to bring on late in games. He’s a valuable squad member.
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I don't see any value in letting Donny go. He's scoring a few goals, offers something different and is literally the only forward we have with pace. It would be a mind bogglingly poor decision.
If it was "he's going on loan so we can sign Rashford permanently" then yeah, ok. Otherwise fuck off.
Even then I would be quite sad - he was very professional (publicly anyway) when we chose not to play him in the champions league last season, and it would be nice if he had the chance to play in it (assuming we get there, of course)
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I know highlights are unreliable but I like the look of Garcia, don't think we could get him though.
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I know highlights are unreliable but I like the look of Garcia, don't think we could get him though.
BBC’s gossip column (TalkSPORT) saying that deal has hit a snag. Him scoring a hattrick cannot have helped our negotiations.
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Malen has been ok off the bench but not done much as a starter. I like him but I just don't think Emery thinks he's useful enough. Abraham offers a more traditional centre forward option too, and has the ability to play wider.
Malen, Guessand and Sancho isn't a three that inspires if you want to win a trophy is it.
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Very harsh to lump Malen in with Sancho and Guessand, both of which have something to prove.
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I meant as a three playing together.
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🚨 Roma are in talks to sign Donyell Malen on loan.
@DiMarzio
No. Tell them there is no road that will take Donyell to Rome.
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I meant as a three playing together.
No but then nor does swapping Malen for Watkins, who has, short of 3 weeks of this season, looked less threatening than Malen all season. If we are letting Don go, then we need to be bringing in better than Watkins. Tammy isn’t close to being that.
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I meant as a three playing together.
Ah! That’s the sort of attack Spurs would have.
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Selling Malen so we can go big on a player like Aghehowa or Ramos?
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Selling Malen would be stupid. We don’t need to be selling players who are starting to be really effective.
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Another that wants to keep Malen.
No one would be excited that we’re linked with Abraham, if he hadn’t had a good season with us in the Championship. Other than one season since, his goalscoring numbers aren’t very good.
But then I didn’t want Rashford either, so what do I know?
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Selling Malen so we can go big on a player like Aghehowa or Ramos?
That’s something I was wondering - maybe the aim is getting Malen’s wages off the books. Maybe it’d give us the headroom to do some Rashford-and-Asensio type shenanigans elsewhere.
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Selling Malen so we can go big on a player like Aghehowa or Ramos?
That’s something I was wondering - maybe the aim is getting Malen’s wages off the books. Maybe it’d give us the headroom to do some Rashford-and-Asensio type shenanigans elsewhere.
Malen and Elliot out, Marmoush and Abraham in?
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Malen on Loan makes no sense whatsever. I wouldnt consider selling him but loaning out a player who is featuring regularly seems mental
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Mental but fair play must be upheld.
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The Tammy stuff feels like a bit of smokescreen to me.
Saying that...
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Surely Roma couldn't afford his wages.
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The January transfer window is a bit of a joke.
Clubs know who and what they want….they have spent the previous 3 months or so weighing up their options.
Very little happens for the first 25 days or so. There is loads of rumour and speculation, probably lots going on in the background, and then all the posturing and bluffing between clubs and agents.
And then it all goes mad in the last couple of days and bonkers on Sky yellow banner day.
I think they should reduce the window down to one week in January.
Second week in January, open the window for 7 days. Get all the deals done and then shut it again.
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This morning's t'interwebnet chatter.
●An "intermediary" has offered Malen to Roma and Napoli.
●Roma have offered Villa a €1.5m loan fee with a €23m buy option.
●Negotiations have/haven't started for Tammy Abraham
●Besiktas have decided on a fee for Abraham
●Besiktas want €20m for him.
Conor Gallagher - nothing of note - yet.
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The January transfer window is a bit of a joke.
Clubs know who and what they want….they have spent the previous 3 months or so weighing up their options.
Very little happens for the first 25 days or so. There is loads of rumour and speculation, probably lots going on in the background, and then all the posturing and bluffing between clubs and agents.
And then it all goes mad in the last couple of days and bonkers on Sky yellow banner day.
I think they should reduce the window down to one week in January.
Second week in January, open the window for 7 days. Get all the deals done and then shut it again.
Yep, but there are so many moving parts in the days of PSR. A bit like a house-buying chain. I would imagine we're pretty hamstrung unless we can offload Elliott, and if I was Liverpool, and I was considering taking him back, I wouldn't agree a deal to take him back until 31st Jan, so as not to help a rival for the top 4. Which might, in turn, mean we have to put everything else on hold until the 11th hour on the last day. Which is crap, but I understand why it's the way it is.
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This morning's t'interwebnet chatter.
●An "intermediary" has offered Malen to Roma and Napoli.
●Roma have offered Villa a €1.5m loan fee with a €23m buy option.
●Negotiations have/haven't started for Tammy Abraham
●Besiktas have decided on a fee for Abraham
●Besiktas want €20m for him.
Conor Gallagher - nothing of note - yet.
I'm assuming that "Besiktas want £20m" is "Besiktas want £20m to step away from the deal they have to buy him for £11m at the end of the season?". Which would mean us paying them £20m, and £11m of that going to Roma? Sounds like a complicated deal to make happen, given he's not their player yet.
I'm guessing we'd buy him from Roma, they'd get their £11m, and the rest of the £20m goes to Besiktas as 'compensation' for their deal not going ahead? I imagine Roma would be doing everything possible to try and find a way to cancel the loan so they can keep all £20m - which might delay things further...
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Loaning out Malen would be even more ridiculous than selling him.
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Loaning out Malen would be even more ridiculous than selling him.
I could be wrong. But I'm sure i read somewhere he's on a high salary authorised by Monchi which could be another reason. I like Malen but he cannot lead the line and isn't a winger. He does gives us another great option and can certainly impact a match. But if it'a trade off for Abraham and Gallagher to release Malen then I'd take it.
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Loaning out Malen would be even more ridiculous than selling him.
Will rumour is it's a loan with obligation to buy £26m. What did we pay for him?
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Loaning out Malen would be even more ridiculous than selling him.
Will rumour is it's a loan with obligation to buy £26m. What did we pay for him?
Wiki says £21m plus add-ons. 1 year amortised., so potentially about £10m profit.
It only makes sense if we buy back big, albeit I’d accept Tammy as a temporary loan for half a season whilst we tap up our man target.
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Malen brings firepower off the bench, moving him on for someone who may or may not have an impact is a massive gamble, not worth taking. Better the devil you know I think. If we have to sell to make incomings happen someone like Bogarde should be the sacrificial lamb, hes improved with the game time he's had but still not technically great on the ball.
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Malen brings firepower off the bench, moving him on for someone who may or may not have an impact is a massive gamble, not worth taking. Better the devil you know I think. If we have to sell to make incomings happen someone like Bogarde should be the sacrificial lamb, hes improved with the game time he's had but still not technically great on the ball.
Malen takes up a considerably bigger chunk of wage budget than Bogarde though and in a financial rules world that is based on salary costs now, Malen leaving creates more opportunity to bring people in
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Malen brings firepower off the bench, moving him on for someone who may or may not have an impact is a massive gamble, not worth taking. Better the devil you know I think. If we have to sell to make incomings happen someone like Bogarde should be the sacrificial lamb, hes improved with the game time he's had but still not technically great on the ball.
Opinions and all that, but I’m of the opposite stance; on the basis that I think Malen has pretty much peaked as a footballer (value), whereas there’s loads of untapped potential left with Bogarde.
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Romano says Roma are 'on the verge' of reaching an agreement for Robinio Vaz, who I think we were also spuriously linked with, for €20m. Dunno if they'd have the money for Malen as well.
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Which would be where the loan with obligation comes in.
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🚨 Aston Villa have asked about Conor Gallagher’s situation.
@MatteMoretto
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Malen's on about £150k a week isn't he? Which is why he didn't kick-off about being left-out of the CL squad despite joining Villa cos we were in the CL (and offering £150k a week).
His Dutch brethren Lamare and Ian are on a fraction of this salary but they are all contributing equally.
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🚨 Aston Villa have asked about Conor Gallagher’s situation.
@MatteMoretto
That reads like you've brought a single mate to the pub and one of your female friends wants to know more...
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Gallagher supposedly also interesting Spurz.
Not sure why anyone would choose them over us at the moment.
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Is he a London lad ?
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Gallagher supposedly also interesting Spurz.
Not sure why anyone would choose them over us at the moment.
Footballing wise. Nothing. But being based back in London close to where he grew up and spent most of his life might be the draw for signing for them.
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Spent time at the Albion though didn’t he ? so knows the region
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Spent time at the Albion though didn’t he ? so knows the region
yes but we can show him good things about football !!
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Spent time at the Albion though didn’t he ? so knows the region
That could be a good thing or a bad thing.
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Bentancur is out for 3 months for those tough guys at Spurzzz , I think Cash gave him a dirty look
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Gallagher supposedly also interesting Spurz.
Not sure why anyone would choose them over us at the moment.
Footballing wise. Nothing. But being based back in London close to where he grew up and spent most of his life might be the draw for signing for them.
They’re in the Champions League.
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Gallagher supposedly also interesting Spurz.
Not sure why anyone would choose them over us at the moment.
Footballing wise. Nothing. But being based back in London close to where he grew up and spent most of his life might be the draw for signing for them.
They’re in the Champions League.
Good point, but apart from that...
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Bentancur is out for 3 months for those tough guys at Spurzzz , I think Cash gave him a dirty look
Skinny cvnt that looks like a more exotic (but less handsome) Conor Hourihane. Can't believe we were considering this dude instead of Bouba (or Onana, was it?). He's not much use off the ball (like Conor).
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Since NSWE have been at Villa, our transfer dealings are typically low key and not splashed all over the various media outlets.
All this talk of Conor Gallagher, Tammy Abraham and Malen feels very public and out of character, and could be a smoke screen for where our real transfer dealings are happening, hopefully.
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Agreed, though could just be kidding myself as most of the rumors make little to no sense so far.
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Gallagher supposedly also interesting Spurz.
Not sure why anyone would choose them over us at the moment.
Footballing wise. Nothing. But being based back in London close to where he grew up and spent most of his life might be the draw for signing for them.
They’re in the Champions League.
Would he not be cup tied after playing for Atletico? Not like Spurz are going to get European football next season!
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My memory is that the Rashford stuff being rumoured before it happened? Same with Asensio?
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Since NSWE have been at Villa, our transfer dealings are typically low key and not splashed all over the various media outlets.
All this talk of Conor Gallagher, Tammy Abraham and Malen feels very public and out of character, and could be a smoke screen for where our real transfer dealings are happening, hopefully.
Pretty true but we have also had quite a few questionable/poor value signings. Last summer summer being a great example. 2 shite loans and purchase who looks like he's only recently started playing the sport.
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Gallagher supposedly also interesting Spurz.
Not sure why anyone would choose them over us at the moment.
Footballing wise. Nothing. But being based back in London close to where he grew up and spent most of his life might be the draw for signing for them.
They’re in the Champions League.
Would he not be cup tied after playing for Atletico? Not like Spurz are going to get European football next season!
Cup-tied in European competitions doesn't exist anymore.
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Gallagher supposedly also interesting Spurz.
Not sure why anyone would choose them over us at the moment.
Footballing wise. Nothing. But being based back in London close to where he grew up and spent most of his life might be the draw for signing for them.
They’re in the Champions League.
Good point, but apart from that...
Maybe he likes trumpets?
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Good point, but apart from that...
Maybe he likes trumpets?
He prefers a rusty trombone.
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Good point, but apart from that...
Maybe he likes trumpets?
He prefers a rusty trombone.
Or that giant cock.
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Since NSWE have been at Villa, our transfer dealings are typically low key and not splashed all over the various media outlets.
All this talk of Conor Gallagher, Tammy Abraham and Malen feels very public and out of character, and could be a smoke screen for where our real transfer dealings are happening, hopefully.
With players of this profile and agents deliberately leaking info to the likes of Romano on Twitter, it’s difficult to keep this stuff under wraps. I suspect losing Malen and getting Tammy and Gallagher could be attractive, we may well be looking at this.
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Since NSWE have been at Villa, our transfer dealings are typically low key and not splashed all over the various media outlets.
All this talk of Conor Gallagher, Tammy Abraham and Malen feels very public and out of character, and could be a smoke screen for where our real transfer dealings are happening, hopefully.
This is true, but also given how this season is panning out, our transfer dealings are now more 'newsworthy' in a general footballing sense, rather than just of interest to Villa fans, so it doesn't surprise me to see us mentioned more often in the 'transfer gossip' pages.
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Gallagher would be mad to go to Spurs over Villa to be fair. So he will probably go there.
He suits Emery very well, not convinced he does Spurs, and who knows who will be managing them in 6 weeks time.
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In football, money overrides everything. He'll go to whoever will pay him the most.
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442 via Fichajes in Spain say we’ve bid EUR60m for Ferran Torres. Allegedly has some legs due to Barca’s cash strapped position.
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Hasn't he turned us down about 6 times before.
Rumours Luiz heading back to Juve. If Gallagher didn't happen and Bouba is out all season we could do a lot worse than loaning him back for 6 months.
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Madjo is here
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2026/january/12/signing-aston-villa-announce-brian-madjo-signing/
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Welcome Bri
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Juve would write something about severely managing his minutes into any contract. Didn't they do that with Forest?
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Hasn't he turned us down about 6 times before.
Rumours Luiz heading back to Juve. If Gallagher didn't happen and Bouba is out all season we could do a lot worse than loaning him back for 6 months.
Good call
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Hasn't he turned us down about 6 times before.
Rumours Luiz heading back to Juve. If Gallagher didn't happen and Bouba is out all season we could do a lot worse than loaning him back for 6 months.
Good call
The concern I have with Luiz is his firm for 3 months before leaving was pretty poor and it doesn’t look like he has go anywhere near his previous levels with us.
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Hasn't he turned us down about 6 times before.
Rumours Luiz heading back to Juve. If Gallagher didn't happen and Bouba is out all season we could do a lot worse than loaning him back for 6 months.
Good call
The concern I have with Luiz is his firm for 3 months before leaving was pretty poor and it doesn’t look like he has go anywhere near his previous levels with us.
I agree, I wouldn't buy him outright for sure.
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That was at the end of a long season for us though. He's had 18 months off more or less and knows how we play inside out, and I reckon he'd walk over broken glass to come back.
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*Checks Kamara thread, notes no new posts have been made, returns to 'work'
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That was at the end of a long season for us though. He's had 18 months off more or less and knows how we play inside out, and I reckon he'd walk over broken glass to come back.
He makes moon eyes towards us on his socials.
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That was at the end of a long season for us though. He's had 18 months off more or less and knows how we play inside out, and I reckon he'd walk over broken glass to come back.
He makes moon eyes towards us on his socials.
He got (and gave) so much love on his way up the touchline before the Forest game, I was a bit choked and decided there and then I'd have him bak in a heartbeat.
That's why I'm not a manager, too emotionally led. Nothing to do with lack of ability.
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That was at the end of a long season for us though. He's had 18 months off more or less and knows how we play inside out, and I reckon he'd walk over broken glass to come back.
I may be wrong, but doesn't he have intramuscular edema?
I'm sure part of the loan clause to Forest was that they had to severely manage his minutes or incur a massive fine.
Love the man, but we shouldn't be going near players like this at the moment, even if it where for a short loan spell.
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Gallagher supposedly also interesting Spurz.
Not sure why anyone would choose them over us at the moment.
Footballing wise. Nothing. But being based back in London close to where he grew up and spent most of his life might be the draw for signing for them.
They’re in the Champions League.
Would he not be cup tied after playing for Atletico? Not like Spurz are going to get European football next season!
No, you don’t get cup-tied over different phases in European competitions. He’d be fine for us or Spuds after Feb 1st.
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Madjo is here
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2026/january/12/signing-aston-villa-announce-brian-madjo-signing/
Aston Villa is delighted, Olabe looks less so!
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🚨🔴🟡 AS Roma, pushing on both Robinio Vaz and Donyell Malen deals with OM and Aston Villa.
Club to club agreements on the way. €25m package for Vaz, loan with buy option for Malen.
Talks still ongoing on player sides over personal terms.
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🚨🟣🔵 Aston Villa are on the verge of club to club agreement for Conor Gallagher.
Negotiations are at final stages with Atlético Madrid, loan with buy option clause to eventually becoming mandatory.
Talks to continue on player side now.
@MatteMoretto
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🚨🟣🔵 Aston Villa are on the verge of club to club agreement for Conor Gallagher.
Negotiations are at final stages with Atlético Madrid, loan with buy option clause to eventually becoming mandatory.
Talks to continue on player side now.
@MatteMoretto
Lets hope it's not appearance related.
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Kind of surprising I must say. What we're lacking in forward areas is sometimes a bit of sparkle to break through defences, rather than what Gallagher tends to provide. I guess he can shoot from range, though, so that fits with our totally unsustainable overall strategy that'll never last and certainly not more than
a game or two a few games several games half a season and counting.
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🚨🟣🔵 Aston Villa are on the verge of club to club agreement for Conor Gallagher.
Negotiations are at final stages with Atlético Madrid, loan with buy option clause to eventually becoming mandatory.
Talks to continue on player side now.
@MatteMoretto
Lets hope it's not appearance related.
He will only get Elliott’s remaining 5 games and then vanish.
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🚨🟣🔵 Aston Villa are on the verge of club to club agreement for Conor Gallagher.
Negotiations are at final stages with Atlético Madrid, loan with buy option clause to eventually becoming mandatory.
Talks to continue on player side now.
@MatteMoretto
Lets hope it's not appearance related.
He will only get Elliott’s remaining 5 games and then vanish.
Excited about this Gallagher situation. I hope it happens.
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442 via Fichajes in Spain say we’ve bid EUR60m for Ferran Torres. Allegedly has some legs due to Barca’s cash strapped position.
Does it tell us how we creat headroom in the finances for this? Otherwise its blx
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442 via Fichajes in Spain say we’ve bid EUR60m for Ferran Torres. Allegedly has some legs due to Barca’s cash strapped position.
It would be a transfer window without this ‘story’.
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442 via Fichajes in Spain say we’ve bid EUR60m for Ferran Torres. Allegedly has some legs due to Barca’s cash strapped position.
Does it tell us how we creat headroom in the finances for this? Otherwise its blx
What is the "headroom in the finances" at the moment, as you understand it?
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^^ The Deloitte money league will be published soon.
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Gallagher supposedly also interesting Spurz.
Not sure why anyone would choose them over us at the moment.
Footballing wise. Nothing. But being based back in London close to where he grew up and spent most of his life might be the draw for signing for them.
They’re in the Champions League.
Would he not be cup tied after playing for Atletico? Not like Spurz are going to get European football next season!
Cup-tied in European competitions doesn't exist anymore.
Which also means Malen could return to haunt us in a Roma shirt.
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Which also means Malen could will inevitably return to haunt us in a Roma shirt.
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Gallagher is somewhat ball tingling but where is our striker? We need a striker.
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🚨 Agreement in principle between Aston Villa & Roma for Donyell Malen — loan deal with option to buy for €25/30m, awaiting player’s approval.
@DiMarzio
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I can't believe we would be so stupid as to send out on loan nevermind sell Malen.
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If he is going which would be a shame, it means we need to free up room to make other deals. May also mean we can’t yet shift Elliott back to Liverpool without some financial penalty to break the existing deal. Of course it also means others will be joining. Never a dull moment.
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I can't believe we would be so stupid as to send out on loan nevermind sell Malen.
Me either mate.
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I can't believe we would be so stupid as to send out on loan nevermind sell Malen.
It's mind-blowing unless he's asked for the move
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Don't see a problem. He plays a standard 10 minutes a week and when he get's the opportunity to start he doesn't show much. Unai obviously doesn't fancy him so move him and and get someone else in. Standard practise.
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442 via Fichajes in Spain say we’ve bid EUR60m for Ferran Torres. Allegedly has some legs due to Barca’s cash strapped position.
It would be a transfer window without this ‘story’.
In other news, we're going to put in a bid for Benni McCarthy
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Feels a bit Diaby-ish.
Came in, did perfectly fine but there was an opportunity to get a bit more back than we paid for him. So given he's not shown enough to suggest that he's going to become one of our more important players, take the opportunity when it's there rather than risking a future Bailey situation of diminishing value.
(assuming he ends up going for the reported fee)
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Bits I’ve seen of Gallagher over the years is that he’s a very willing workhorse, happy to chase seemingly lost causes and good in the press.
But a bit suspect re his distribution.
Not sure that’ll work in an Emery midfield. But we’ll see.
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Bits I’ve seen of Gallagher over the years is that he’s a very willing workhorse, happy to chase seemingly lost causes and good in the press.
But a bit suspect re his distribution.
Not sure that’ll work in an Emery midfield. But we’ll see.
That was exactly my take on him, but Emery will have watched what we've seen and so much more and clearly he doesn't see a problem so get it done.
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I can't believe we would be so stupid as to send out on loan nevermind sell Malen.
Me either mate.
Me three. Don’t get it at all unless we have a very good forward option coming in.
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Don't see a problem. He plays a standard 10 minutes a week and when he get's the opportunity to start he doesn't show much. Unai obviously doesn't fancy him so move him and and get someone else in. Standard practise.
Seven goals and two assists so far this season, if only we had a striker with those stats. Watkins has 7 goals and one assist, should we sell him too?
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Could be as simple as him wanting to start more games, I like malen and think he's been a very useful member of the squad but if he's not fully onboard with his role then making a profit on him and replacing him with someone on lower wages wouldn't be a bad result.
I'm not as convinced by Tammy as many are but if that's who Emery wants then I'm ok with it.
Gallagher is a funny one because the only obvious role I can see him coming in to fill is the tucked-in wide midfield one that SJM and Little Emi play and which I'm fairly sure we signed Elliott for as well. We're clearly not keeping Elliott but this move suggests pretty clearly that Emery just didn't think he could do the job and it wasn't just that Emi changed our plans because it's not like Gallagher will be any cheaper.
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I can't believe we would be so stupid as to send out on loan nevermind sell Malen.
Me either mate.
Me three. Don’t get it at all unless we have a very good forward option coming in.
It would surely only be happening if that is the case. Unless we're more in the shit with SCR than we thought.
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We simply must have a striker in mind.
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Don't see a problem. He plays a standard 10 minutes a week and when he get's the opportunity to start he doesn't show much. Unai obviously doesn't fancy him so move him and and get someone else in. Standard practise.
Seven goals and two assists so far this season, if only we had a striker with those stats. Watkins has 7 goals and one assist, should we sell him too?
If we bring in better yeah, everyone is dispensable. If we bring in a better option than Malen that the manager wants, not a problem.
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I can't believe we would be so stupid as to send out on loan nevermind sell Malen.
Me either mate.
Me three. Don’t get it at all unless we have a very good forward option coming in.
It would surely only be happening if that is the case. Unless we're more in the shit with SCR than we thought.
We can’t be. We’ve spent £20m on two teenagers.
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🚨🏴 More on Conor Gallagher. Aston Villa verbally agreed deal with Atlético Madrid today.
Tottenham also asked for Gallagher deal conditions after Bentancur injury today.
Villa had initial green light from Gallagher but waiting for next steps on player side.
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Gallagher is a funny one because the only obvious role I can see him coming in to fill is the tucked-in wide midfield one that SJM and Little Emi play and which I'm fairly sure we signed Elliott for as well. We're clearly not keeping Elliott but this move suggests pretty clearly that Emery just didn't think he could do the job and it wasn't just that Emi changed our plans because it's not like Gallagher will be any cheaper.
He's definitely more versatile - a bit like Tielemans, he can do the attacking bit or the defensive bit. So I think you're right, he'd also be fine in a midfield two with Kamara / Onana / Youri if needed. Which Elliott and Buendia wouldn't be.
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I can't believe we would be so stupid as to send out on loan nevermind sell Malen.
Me either mate.
Me three. Don’t get it at all unless we have a very good forward option coming in.
It would surely only be happening if that is the case. Unless we're more in the shit with SCR than we thought.
We can’t be. We’ve spent £20m on two teenagers.
That's irrelevant if we aren't planning to add them to the europa squad, we haven't been at any risk for the premier league FFP for a while and that's the only one where we'd need to be careful with those signings.
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Reckon we're getting The Moosh? 8)
MARMOUSH
MARMOUSH
MARMOUSH IS ON FIRE!
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Don't see a problem. He plays a standard 10 minutes a week and when he get's the opportunity to start he doesn't show much. Unai obviously doesn't fancy him so move him and and get someone else in. Standard practise.
Seven goals and two assists so far this season, if only we had a striker with those stats. Watkins has 7 goals and one assist, should we sell him too?
If we bring in better yeah, everyone is dispensable. If we bring in a better option than Malen that the manager wants, not a problem.
Oh I agree we can't let emotions get in the way but let's not be giving him away, it's not like we don't need the money. Our transfer dealings have been at best patchy, Malen is one of the positives, plus even bringing in somebody 'better' it doesn't mean they'll hit the ground running.
Selling or loaning him to Roma, the only club I see in the way of us winning a trophy this season, I'd tell them to vaffanculo!
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442 via Fichajes in Spain say we’ve bid EUR60m for Ferran Torres. Allegedly has some legs due to Barca’s cash strapped position.
Does it tell us how we creat headroom in the finances for this? Otherwise its blx
What is the "headroom in the finances" at the moment, as you understand it?
Its mainly the restrictive European rules limiting pay as a percentage of revenue. Whilst the club don't release the specific numbers Unai has intimated that we need to fund any incomings with outgoings. So a £60 m purchase including signing on fee and amortisation would mean significant outgoings to fund that purchase. In my opinion just saying we are going to spend this without explaining what the equivalent outgoings are only tells half the story.
Do you think we can simply splash the cash? The owners are rich enough I give you that.
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I'm not entirely shocked at the Malen talk, I've long thought his minutes on the field to wages ratio might make him vunerable to being shown the door if a deal could be done.
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Express and Star report suggests Malen is frustrated with the amount of playing time he’s had.
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I like him but he's been here a year and has made 14 starts, and most of his starts have been pretty ineffective. Maybe we see his fee and wages spent better elsewhere rather than on someone that's most effective as a sub.
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I'm not entirely shocked at the Malen talk, I've long thought his minutes on the field to wages ratio might make him vunerable to being shown the door if a deal could be done.
I've long thought his minutes on the field to goals ratio might see him start more games. If it's true his wages are seriously high, who the hell approved it? Losing a very important squad player this season because somebody fucked up the finances is ridiculous especially given the season we're currently having.
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Gallagher is a funny one because the only obvious role I can see him coming in to fill is the tucked-in wide midfield one that SJM and Little Emi play and which I'm fairly sure we signed Elliott for as well. We're clearly not keeping Elliott but this move suggests pretty clearly that Emery just didn't think he could do the job and it wasn't just that Emi changed our plans because it's not like Gallagher will be any cheaper.
Liverpool fans said Elliot was a bit limited athletically; not fast enough for a winger and too weak to play in midfield.
I reckon emery sees this as the reality, whereas Gallagher is a good/great athlete and can cover a few positions, so better value.
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I like Malen but he is a bit of a flat track bully, less effective against a low block or in games where we need him to hold the ball up. He can also only play one role, Unai doesn't trust him at right midfield or he'd be playing there ahead of Guessand. As he's on big wages you can see why we'd consider letting him go.
Being third in the table has probably created some unexpected opportunities too.
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Aston Villa are moving closer to landing Conor Gallagher from Atletico Madrid, Unai Emery would be delighted to get this one over the line. https://x.com/johntownley11/status/2010750377906630873
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Gallagher probably has more about him all-round than Onana so if we're getting rid of him (assuming he'd pass a medical) for Conor and a crack striker, net plus I guess.
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Interesting if Unai is prepared to let Malen go. I know he doesn't start so often, but he has played minutes in every game this season, which is indicative of a level of trust and value in his contributions this season.
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Gallagher probably has more about him all-round than Onana so if we're getting rid of him (assuming he'd pass a medical) for Conor and a crack striker, net plus I guess.
We're obviously not getting rid of Onana.
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Gallagher is a funny one because the only obvious role I can see him coming in to fill is the tucked-in wide midfield one that SJM and Little Emi play and which I'm fairly sure we signed Elliott for as well. We're clearly not keeping Elliott but this move suggests pretty clearly that Emery just didn't think he could do the job and it wasn't just that Emi changed our plans because it's not like Gallagher will be any cheaper.
Liverpool fans said Elliot was a bit limited athletically; not fast enough for a winger and too weak to play in midfield.
He’s nowhere near as limited athletically as he is aesthetically.
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Gallagher probably has more about him all-round than Onana
Does he balls.
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Yep. Madness.
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Gallagher probably has more about him all-round than Onana
Does he balls.
Yeah, that’s crazy talk. No suggestion we’re even half considering selling Onana either.
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Gallagher probably has more about him all-round than Onana
Does he balls.
Yeah, that’s crazy talk. No suggestion we’re even half considering selling Onana either.
Is this about his celebration Eamonn?
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I think Malen has probably asked if he will get a permanent position in the team or will he just be a “15 minute see the job out” sort of player. If told that he has probably said i will look elsewhere.
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Maybe with the World Cup coming up, Malen wants more game time. Understandable if so.
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Slightly underwhelmed by the prospect of signing Gallagher, who always puts me in mind of a puppy chasing a butterfly, but if Emery wants him that's good enough for me. He's also a known quantity and coming back home should settle quickly, meaning he can hit the ground running and contribute meaningfully this season.
If Malen goes, you have to assume we have a replacement lined up, so Gallagher won't be the only addition, presumably.
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It's not ideal World Cup preparation for Malen but the season is still young and he will get his opportunities. He looked more than happy celebrating the goals on Saturday and so he should, not only was he involved in both, he was brilliant.
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Must admit I'm not seeing what others are seeing with Malen. For what we paid and what he's paid, I would have expected better. I'm pretty sure Unai sees it that way too, so if there is a chance he can upgrade he will
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Must admit I'm not seeing what others are seeing with Malen. For what we paid and what he's paid, I would have expected better. I'm pretty sure Unai sees it that way too, so if there is a chance he can upgrade he will
I like Malen but I think your underlying point is right. To improve on an already top squad is not easy and some players will have to be sacrificed for both PSR and improvement to age / player profile.
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This is pretty obvious, but one of the bonuses of paying top wages to players is that every time one of them leaves, it frees up top wages for a replacement without having a major impact on SCR.
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Slightly underwhelmed by the prospect of signing Gallagher, who always puts me in mind of a puppy chasing a butterfly, but if Emery wants him that's good enough for me. He's also a known quantity and coming back home should settle quickly, meaning he can hit the ground running and contribute meaningfully this season.
If Malen goes, you have to assume we have a replacement lined up, so Gallagher won't be the only addition, presumably.
I'm just not sure he's the type of midfielder we need really. He's not a defensive midfielder in the Kamara mould, so he's really in direct competition with Tielemans, Onana and Barkley. Having seen the impact Onana makes when he's playing well, I think that's more the type of player we need to add to the squad.
I can't recall Conor Gallagher playing in a more advanced role, so maybe Tielemans will move into that role and Gallagher will fit in alongside Kamara?
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This is pretty obvious, but one of the bonuses of paying top wages to players is that every time one of them leaves, it frees up top wages for a replacement without having a major impact on SCR.
Is the correct answer particularly if said replacement starts putting pressure on existing 1st teamers.
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Must admit I'm not seeing what others are seeing with Malen. For what we paid and what he's paid, I would have expected better. I'm pretty sure Unai sees it that way too, so if there is a chance he can upgrade he will
I take it you missed the game on Saturday? Best 45 minutes since Unai arrived. An absolute joy to watch. The great thing about Malen is he offers us something different to Watkins, horses for courses, both are good enough for this season as our league standing shows.
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Must admit I'm not seeing what others are seeing with Malen. For what we paid and what he's paid, I would have expected better. I'm pretty sure Unai sees it that way too, so if there is a chance he can upgrade he will
I like Malen but I think your underlying point is right. To improve on an already top squad is not easy and some players will have to be sacrificed for both PSR and improvement to age / player profile.
I think what we paid for Malen was very good business. A Dutch international, plenty of experience in European club football with a decent scoring record for £20m. That doesn’t get you much these days, we’ve just spent £12m on a 16yr old who’s played 5 games.
Malen has had a good impact considering he’s mostly come off the bench.
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Slightly underwhelmed by the prospect of signing Gallagher, who always puts me in mind of a puppy chasing a butterfly, but if Emery wants him that's good enough for me. He's also a known quantity and coming back home should settle quickly, meaning he can hit the ground running and contribute meaningfully this season.
If Malen goes, you have to assume we have a replacement lined up, so Gallagher won't be the only addition, presumably.
I'm just not sure he's the type of midfielder we need really. He's not a defensive midfielder in the Kamara mould, so he's really in direct competition with Tielemans, Onana and Barkley. Having seen the impact Onana makes when he's playing well, I think that's more the type of player we need to add to the squad.
I can't recall Conor Gallagher playing in a more advanced role, so maybe Tielemans will move into that role and Gallagher will fit in alongside Kamara?
He played in a 10'ish role at Chelsea at times. He'll probably do a McGinn out wide or like you said push Youri forward and Conor goes in there.
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He would have been great, but sadly Toronto has put the kybosh on it.
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This is pretty obvious, but one of the bonuses of paying top wages to players is that every time one of them leaves, it frees up top wages for a replacement without having a major impact on SCR.
Is the correct answer particularly if said replacement starts putting pressure on existing 1st teamers.
But it does force the “one in, one out” approach. Not a bad thing, but only works if clubs want to our players..
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Must admit I'm not seeing what others are seeing with Malen. For what we paid and what he's paid, I would have expected better. I'm pretty sure Unai sees it that way too, so if there is a chance he can upgrade he will
I take it you missed the game on Saturday? Best 45 minutes since Unai arrived. An absolute joy to watch. The great thing about Malen is he offers us something different to Watkins, horses for courses, both are good enough for this season as our league standing shows.
Probably judging him more on the 13 months he's been here and than the last game.
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Yeah, Emery's not really a fan of wide men, is he? You get the impression he'd be fine with just a squad full of central mids.
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This is pretty obvious, but one of the bonuses of paying top wages to players is that every time one of them leaves, it frees up top wages for a replacement without having a major impact on SCR.
Is the correct answer particularly if said replacement starts putting pressure on existing 1st teamers.
But it does force the “one in, one out” approach. Not a bad thing, but only works if clubs want to our players..
That’s not necessarily a bad thing though IF you sell at the right time. I think we are with Malen and have with a few others but we got it wrong on Bailey.
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Gallagher probably has more about him all-round than Onana
Does he balls.
Yeah, that’s crazy talk. No suggestion we’re even half considering selling Onana either.
Is this about his celebration Eamonn?
I admit I've seen little of him at Atleti but in the PL he always struck me as having the bite of McGinn, brave on the ball, always a goal threat and works hard off the ball. I'm still unsure on Onana. He was winning me over at Arsenal before another injury. Neither player quite has the technical chops of Youri or Bouba which is fine if they're playing in tandem.
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Yeah, Emery's not really a fan of wide men, is he? You get the impression he'd be fine with just a squad full of central mids.
you’re right, but I feel we need one in the squad that can play both wings. A point of difference. I think they’d actually end up playing a fair bit despite not being an automatic starter, so could justify a chunky price and decent wages.
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Must admit I'm not seeing what others are seeing with Malen. For what we paid and what he's paid, I would have expected better. I'm pretty sure Unai sees it that way too, so if there is a chance he can upgrade he will
I take it you missed the game on Saturday? Best 45 minutes since Unai arrived. An absolute joy to watch. The great thing about Malen is he offers us something different to Watkins, horses for courses, both are good enough for this season as our league standing shows.
Probably judging him more on the 13 months he's been here and than the last game.
Do you really want me to call Smirker to this thread?
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He played in a 10'ish role at Chelsea at times. He'll probably do a McGinn out wide or like you said push Youri forward and Conor goes in there.
As I remember it at chelsea he did the "Palhinha" role... just ran around kicking people, (I remember this as I used to call him Clogger Gallagher)
I think he was a 10 at crystal palace seemed to free to float about and score a lot of long rangers.
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I read somewhere that Wolves/Edwards might want Barkley. Has anyone else seen that and is it from a credible source?
May help off set the Gallagher costs, if true.
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Slightly underwhelmed by the prospect of signing Gallagher, who always puts me in mind of a puppy chasing a butterfly, but if Emery wants him that's good enough for me. He's also a known quantity and coming back home should settle quickly, meaning he can hit the ground running and contribute meaningfully this season.
If Malen goes, you have to assume we have a replacement lined up, so Gallagher won't be the only addition, presumably.
I'm just not sure he's the type of midfielder we need really. He's not a defensive midfielder in the Kamara mould, so he's really in direct competition with Tielemans, Onana and Barkley. Having seen the impact Onana makes when he's playing well, I think that's more the type of player we need to add to the squad.
I can't recall Conor Gallagher playing in a more advanced role, so maybe Tielemans will move into that role and Gallagher will fit in alongside Kamara?
He's not going to compete with our midfield two I reckon. A bit like McGinn he can do a job there but he hasn't the technical ability to play on the half turn. Saw that with Chelsea and England. But competing with McGinn on the right or Buendia on the left, an option at 10. He covers all those positions. Like Buendia, he will be very good pressing high up the pitch causing turnovers like he showed against us at Chelsea. With the likes of Buendia more involved, Rogers, McGinn - we are a pretty tough team to play against. Gallagher fits that perfectly.
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If you could put all of what Emery loooks for in a player into a computer it would probably come out with Conor Gallagher
I don’t know what sort of a professional he is but I imagine he’s more James Milner than Ravel Morrison but apart from that he’s athletic, box to box, hardworking, tracks back, scores goals and above all can play in multiple positions
Emery’s been after him for a while
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Emery’s been after him for a while
He’s basically Guendouzi but reflects how much the club has grown since Emery joined.
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Someone said a few days ago that Gallagher might be a longterm replacement for SJM, and that's the idea that carries the most weight for me.
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This is pretty obvious, but one of the bonuses of paying top wages to players is that every time one of them leaves, it frees up top wages for a replacement without having a major impact on SCR.
Is the correct answer particularly if said replacement starts putting pressure on existing 1st teamers.
But it does force the “one in, one out” approach. Not a bad thing, but only works if clubs want to our players..
Exactly. I see the high wages as a barrier if anything. it makes it more difficult to offload the player and more liely we'd need to chip in if it is a loan deal.
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Someone said a few days ago that Gallagher might be a longterm replacement for SJM, and that's the idea that carries the most weight for me.
Yep, and I'm 99% sure that's also what Elliott was supposed to be.
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Maybe the change of heart on Elliott was because of the change of availability for Connor?
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Super John McGinn at 31 will not be a regular forever.
Bouba - as fantastic as he is does pick up mid to longer term injuries
Uri - not getting any younger
Barclay - been great whilst here but aging and playing less
at 25 years old i think Gallagher, once settled could be our fulcrum for a good few years - i would welcome it.
As for Tammy for Malen - what is the biggest criticism of Ollie - misses too many sitters - Tammy does not seem to have the same record - another i would welcome
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I read somewhere that Wolves/Edwards might want Barkley. Has anyone else seen that and is it from a credible source?
May help off set the Gallagher costs, if true.
Heard that too due to the Luton links.
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Maybe the change of heart on Elliott was because of the change of availability for Connor?
Doubt it, based on how quickly Emery jettisoned the Elliot plan. I suspect he saw something in training that he couldn’t correct.
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Gallagher and Tammy in, Barkley and Malen out would be good January business.
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Maybe the change of heart on Elliott was because of the change of availability for Connor?
Doubt it, based on how quickly Emery jettisoned the Elliot plan. I suspect he saw something in training that he couldn’t correct.
His backside is far too small to compete as SJM’s long term replacement.
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Maybe the change of heart on Elliott was because of the change of availability for Connor?
Doubt it, based on how quickly Emery jettisoned the Elliot plan. I suspect he saw something in training that he couldn’t correct.
His backside is far too small to compete as SJM’s long term replacement.
Get him on the battered mars bars or whatever the hell they eat up there.
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I'm fine with Gallagher but don't get the general acceptance of letting Malen go.
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Ornstein saying he’s off to spurs
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BBC’s opinion on the Gallagher transfer (almost like Spurs have written it for them):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cp3zq8v4ek5o
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Looks like Spuds chucked a few more million at it. Oh well back to the drawing board. Hope our January window works out better than the summer.
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Not the best start for Olabe, however the rumoured fee, 40m v 25m, is a pretty big shift.
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Looks like Spuds chucked a few more million at it. Oh well back to the drawing board. Hope our January window works out better than the summer.
If he goes there at the moment it says more about his preference for money above ambition. Could have dodged a bullet if that's the case, we need driven players who want to achieve in the game.
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Looks like Spuds chucked a few more million at it. Oh well back to the drawing board. Hope our January window works out better than the summer.
If he goes there at the moment it says more about his preference for money above ambition. Could have dodged a bullet if that's the case, we need driven players who want to achieve in the game.
Suspect when a club accepts an offer and basically says we want you out your option is either move to the club who’s offers been accepted or sit it out as a bit part player for your current club. Wouldn’t be surprised if we paid him more than Spurs as well. Then there’s also the London factor which is probably a pull for him. All in all. He might not have loads of choice in the matter
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They are in the champions league and he’s likely to get more attention there if he’s seeking a World Cup slot.
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Looks like Spuds chucked a few more million at it. Oh well back to the drawing board. Hope our January window works out better than the summer.
If he goes there at the moment it says more about his preference for money above ambition. Could have dodged a bullet if that's the case, we need driven players who want to achieve in the game.
It might not be the player. His club might have just accepted a higher offer. A number we couldn't go to as it stands. We have the UEFA threat hanging over our heads.
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Not the best start for Olabe, however the rumoured fee, 40m v 25m, is a pretty big shift.
Add to that Gallagher said he really looks forward to being eliminated out of the Champions League and is highly attracted with a relegation battle. Despite playing for Chelsea since the age of 6, joining their arch enemy will show just how much the Blues mean to him.
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Is Guendozi still available or did he move from Lazio?
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Is Guendozi still available or did he move from Lazio?
Gone to Lazio.
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Is Guendozi still available or did he move from Lazio?
Fenerbahçe. Signed for them last Thursday, scored on the Saturday.
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^^ Yes, sorry. I just knew he’d gone having just seen his name on Sky’s list of completed transfers.
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^^ Yes, sorry. I just knew he’d gone having just seen his name on Sky’s list of completed transfers.
I just used Google. ;)
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Jacob Tanswell
@J_Tanswell
Conor Gallagher close to joining Spurs as my colleague @David_Ornstein reports. #AVFC showed significant interest, saw his availability as an opportunity (Emery a big admirer) but the club, sensibly, wanted to maintain their discipline financially & not be in a highest offer race
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Conor Gallagher close to joining Spurs as my colleague @David_Ornstein reports. #AVFC showed significant interest, saw his availability as an opportunity (Emery a big admirer) but the club, sensibly, wanted to maintain their discipline financially & not be in a highest offer race. plus Toronto Villa started a thread on him.
That explains things.
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It’s funny how all the spin comes out on this stuff.
Annoying, as he would have been good. I hope we’re clear on strategy, the Malen stuff is a bit concerning.
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£35 for Gallacher who has only started 4 league games is not a good deal.
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We still need another centre mid so hope we have something else lined up. Ideally a bit younger than Gallagher.
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We still need another centre mid so hope we have something else lined up. Ideally a bit younger than Gallagher.
He's only 25 though.
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He’s 25 isn’t he?
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We still need another centre mid so hope we have something else lined up. Ideally a bit younger than Gallagher.
Someone more 23/24 would be ideal.
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He would have been a solid acquisition, relatively risk free, at the £25m we were originally quoted. Also happy that we’ve stuck to our guns and not matched the spurs offer.
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He’s 25 isn’t he?
I thought 28 but apparently only 26 in Feb, so good age really. Annoying, Unai would have worked well with him.
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CM was not a position I thought we needed to target. I suppose the question now is whether Emery sees midfield as a weakness or whether the original deal was considered too good to be true.
My guess is the second option, so there wont be a plan B move of the same magnitude.
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£35 for Gallacher who has only started 4 league games is not a good deal.
Correct. Spurs going in £10m over what had been agreed sums them up.
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We’ve played a blinder tricking Spurs into paying £40m for him. Well played Agent Lange.
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Failed a vital test horrifically. Hope he enjoys living up to his potential just as much as Joao Felix!
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Is this Hayden Hackney, interesting name, at Boro any good?
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Is this Hayden Hackney, interesting name, at Boro any good?
Yes, according to my Boro mate but they've already turned down a £25m bid from Everton, apparently.
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£35m for Gallagher is too much with where he currently is. Back the club for not paying that. Shame for the player going to Spurs as they are a mess.
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Like, does anyone think he'll solve their problems over at Spurs? Were they one Conor Gallagher away from a title challenge this whole time? Doubt it.
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Like, does anyone think he'll solve their problems over at Spurs? Were they one Conor Gallagher away from a title challenge this whole time? Doubt it.
What Spurs need is another headless chicken knocking lumps out of people. They don't have enough of those.
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Is this Hayden Hackney, interesting name, at Boro any good?
Highly rated. We were linked last summer and his highlights reel is/was exceptional.
Have we been linked again?
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Is this Hayden Hackney, interesting name, at Boro any good?
Highly rated. We were linked last summer and his highlights reel is/was exceptional.
Have we been linked again?
No, Fulham.
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Is this Hayden Hackney, interesting name, at Boro any good?
Highly rated. We were linked last summer and his highlights reel is/was exceptional.
Have we been linked again?
Don't know but obviously we are in the market for a midfielder so he might be one. Get Ramsey back for whatever purgatory he is in and pretend last summer never happened (Guessand/Sancho/Elliot).
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Danilho Doekhi rumoured .. Villa fave on Transfer market but not sure about that site
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Danilho Doekhi rumoured .. Villa fave on Transfer market but not sure about that site
I’ll start a thread
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Danilho Doekhi rumoured .. Villa fave on Transfer market but not sure about that site
Who?
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Danilho Doekhi rumoured .. Villa fave on Transfer market but not sure about that site
I’ll start a thread
Okey Doekhi
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Danilho Doekhi rumoured .. Villa fave on Transfer market but not sure about that site
Who?
A CB, Leeds are after him.
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Danilho Doekhi rumoured .. Villa fave on Transfer market but not sure about that site
Who?
A CB, Leeds are after him.
Thanks. Not very exciting then!
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Is this Hayden Hackney, interesting name, at Boro any good?
Highly rated. We were linked last summer and his highlights reel is/was exceptional.
Have we been linked again?
No, Fulham.
Scored against Fulham at the weekend. They must be imitating our transfer strategy of old.
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Danilho Doekhi rumoured .. Villa fave on Transfer market but not sure about that site
Who?
A CB, Leeds are after him.
Thanks. Not very exciting then!
And Bogarde's cousin according to a report I read in the last few days.
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I watch a lot of championship football and there are some very good players at that level. Hayden Hackney is considered the divisions best player. Great dribbler and terrific passer. A real natural talent.
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We were meant to be scouting him strongly when Unai decided it was some winger that hadn't scored many and was a bit in and out with form after a cheap move from Man City was the Boro player we wanted.
Seen Hackney a few times since. We could do a lot worse than adding him.
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I’d be entirely in favour of having our pants pulled down by boro again if it went the same way as last time.
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Spent time at the Albion though didn’t he ? so knows the region
That could be a good thing or a bad thing.
He rented a room in an HMO on Benefit Street whilst there.
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Gallagher probably has more about him all-round than Onana
Does he balls.
On reflection, you're right. He's shite and Amadou rules.
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Onana over Midtablegher every day. Only thing against Onana right now is fitness - if he can stay fit he’s worth the £50m we paid.
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Onana over Midtablegher every day. Only thing against Onana right now is fitness - if he can stay fit he’s worth the £50m we paid.
Yes I think he has a very high ceiling but everytime he starts to move towards it he gets injured. Fingers crossed he has a better run at it when he comes back
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Is that Delap fella at Man city up for a loan to buy? I’d take him to replace Malen.
I guess it would defeat the objective, as he’d be on big wages and Man city probably won’t want him at a rival.
I just can’t see Tammy being the answer.
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The Delap fella that Chelsea signed?
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The Delap fella that Chelsea signed?
From Ipswich too
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The Delap fella that Chelsea signed?
From Ipswich too
That’s the fella, not sure why I thought he was at City 😂
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The Delap fella that Chelsea signed?
From Ipswich too
That’s the fella, not sure why I thought he was at City 😂
He was, he came through their youth ranks
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If we can keep Malen I just don't see any point in letting him go this window, especially as Unai takes ages to settle players in unless they are top drawer like Rashford. Inn fact up top of Alyson is reasonably close, I would be ok with not getting any further players in for the forward roles. Guessand will be back, Buendia, Malen, Rogers, Watkins are all there
We are a midfielder light in our formation squad wise though, based on the fact that there is a heavy work load and we do pick up injuries in there, so getting an extra capable body in is very important to keep progressing in the cups and hold on to top 4 league wise.
Much more concerned about midfield and right back than up top.
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Re: Gallagher, I think have I ever said or thought he is just the player we need over the past few years. The answer is no. Not that bothered and if he sees more game time at Spurs then that says more about where the two clubs are right now.
Would be sad about Malen as he seems to fit in here but he won’t want to be a sub for ever.
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Re Tammy, Ornstein says we like him, he likes us, but he's a high earner. He may move either to us or somewhere else, or he might not. Amazing he can sit behind a desk with so many splinters in his arse (journo, not Tammy).
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I am glad we're not paying Gallagher £200k per week to wear a bib and clap Tielemans, Kamara, Onana, McGinn or Barkley as they do something on the pitch he cannot. £200k. Jaysus.
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I am glad we're not paying Gallagher £200k per week to wear a bib and clap Tielemans, Kamara, Onana, McGinn or Barkley as they do something on the pitch he cannot. £200k. Jaysus.
Will spurs pay that much?
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I was only down with it as the manager wanted him, I don't really rate him, puppy chasing a balloon.He'll fit in well at Spurs.
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I am glad we're not paying Gallagher £200k per week to wear a bib and clap Tielemans, Kamara, Onana, McGinn or Barkley as they do something on the pitch he cannot. £200k. Jaysus.
Average footballer, expensive and not an area we really need another player.
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He was excellent at Palace. But has never hit those heights since although he was playing as an 8 and Chelsea seemed to play him a lot deeper.
I can understand why we wanted him at the right price but looks like Spurs gave gazzumped us.
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Let’s not rewrite his ability, he is a good player good engine physicality and score goals . But if he would rather go there off you fuck . As ever we will have other options
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I am glad we're not paying Gallagher £200k per week to wear a bib and clap Tielemans, Kamara, Onana, McGinn or Barkley as they do something on the pitch he cannot. £200k. Jaysus.
Average footballer, expensive and not an area we really need another player.
At this stage in our progression why would we want a player who couldn't get in to AM team? Specially at horrific wage.
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He would be a useful squad player, who would be back up for McGinn - energy, can pick a pass and scores the odd goal. Never a starter if everyone is fit - but with our fixtures would have been an asset. But not for £200k per week.
He'll coast along at Spurs, like so many players do, then start trading down the clubs he plays for. See Chilwell, Alli, Johnson, Sessegnon....
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Let’s not rewrite his ability, he is a good player good engine physicality and score goals . But if he would rather go there off you fuck . As ever we will have other options
Average. Always thought that IMO.
I was more excited that Kamara was only a few weeks out than the seemingly strong links of him signing for us yesterday.
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Let’s not rewrite his ability, he is a good player good engine physicality and score goals . But if he would rather go there off you fuck . As ever we will have other options
We've been consistently linked to him, but I've always thought he lacked calmness on the ball which you'd think is the first pre-requisite for playing in our midfield.
No revision on my part.
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I must admit I can't recollect his performances for Chelsea, I only remember that one season for Palace when he scored for fun from midfield. He always looks way out of his depth at International level though, so unless a manager can improve his technique I wonder if he will be good enough?
I have always been impressed with Wharton at Palace, but I thought he looked sloppy on the ball for England, whereas Anderson from Forest looks very assured and has slotted into that team very well.
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I must admit I can't recollect his performances for Chelsea, I only remember that one season for Palace when he scored for fun from midfield. He always looks way out of his depth at International level though, so unless a manager can improve his technique I wonder if he will be good enough?
I have always been impressed with Wharton at Palace, but I thought he looked sloppy on the ball for England, whereas Anderson from Forest looks very assured and has slotted into that team very well.
It is funny but I thought Anderson looked Meh for Forest against us
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I must admit I can't recollect his performances for Chelsea, I only remember that one season for Palace when he scored for fun from midfield. He always looks way out of his depth at International level though, so unless a manager can improve his technique I wonder if he will be good enough?
I have always been impressed with Wharton at Palace, but I thought he looked sloppy on the ball for England, whereas Anderson from Forest looks very assured and has slotted into that team very well.
It is funny but I thought Anderson looked Meh for Forest against us
For England, he has had barely any pressure applied against him by the opposition unlike at Forest this season.
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He might be off to warm the bench and watch his career nosedive at Citeh according to the gossip.
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He might be off to warm the bench and watch his career nosedive at Citeh according to the gossip.
Philips all over
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Let’s not rewrite his ability, he is a good player good engine physicality and score goals . But if he would rather go there off you fuck . As ever we will have other options
We've been consistently linked to him, but I've always thought he lacked calmness on the ball which you'd think is the first pre-requisite for playing in our midfield.
No revision on my part.
We have one of the best midfields in the country. Our standards are high. Gallagher isn't getting into our first choice midfield and he isn't even our first sub for it either.
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Super coach though , makes everyone better
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At which point does our financial restrictions become less of an issue? We have a net spend of 0 and our wages most be down.
Our revenue is presumably up - albeit that there is a bit of a gap due to being in a lower league.
Just feels that at some point surely we will get into a place where we can spend some money
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He might be off to warm the bench and watch his career nosedive at Citeh according to the gossip.
There’s a chance he might be seen as a long term replacement for Rodri bit always a chance of your career going down the pan but they’re all supremely confident in their ability.
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My only memory of Gallagher was the goal he scored in the 2-2 at VP a couple of years ago. I’d rather forget him to be honest.
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My only memory of Gallagher was the goal he scored in the 2-2 at VP a couple of years ago. I’d rather forget him to be honest.
I'd gone for a piss and missed it, was sat with Risso and it was honestly a good 5 minutes before I realised they'd scored.
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Perhaps the Elliot situation played a part in Gallaghers decision making.
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Perhaps the Elliot situation played a part in Gallaghers decision making.
While on the other hand, Spurs have shown they'll let anyone in the team no matter if they play shit.
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Perhaps the Elliot situation played a part in Gallaghers decision making.
I think the money tied up in that deal probably prevented us making a straight cash deal to match Spurs.
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I remember how many sitters Tammy missed when he was here. Could of had 10+ extra goals that season but was very wasteful.
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The money but also his opportunities.
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Perhaps the Elliot situation played a part in Gallaghers decision making.
I think the money tied up in that deal probably prevented us making a straight cash deal to match Spurs.
The money but also his opportunities.
Oh well, if so at least something good came out of that deal.
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I remember how many sitters Tammy missed when he was here. Could of had 10+ extra goals that season but was very wasteful.
25 goals in 37 games was pretty good for a kid (as he was).
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Ollie would have got 26.
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My only memory of Gallagher was the goal he scored in the 2-2 at VP a couple of years ago. I’d rather forget him to be honest.
I'd gone for a piss and missed it, was sat with Risso and it was honestly a good 5 minutes before I realised they'd scored.
No fits of rage from Risso, like the occasional ones on here?!
One day he'll come back hand in hand with Bad English and Dogtanian.
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Ollie would have got 26.
He got 10 that season.
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Playing as a winger supporting Maupay.
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Playing as a winger supporting Maupay.
Is the correct answer.
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Tammy was too good for the championship in a team with 3-4 other players who were also too good for it and the result was that we created a fuck load of chances for him.
The problem is that he hasn't really translated that form to either the premier league or Serie A where his combined record is 55 goals in 201 games and that includes 15 goal and 17 goal seasons.
If it was a simple deal that we could get over the line for a low-ish wage and for the £10-12m Besiktas seem to have arranged then I'd be ok with him as a backup but it seems to be significantly more than that in every way so I hope we move on from it.
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Tammy was always just a little bit too good for the championship.
Whether he was/is good enough in the PL is unknown.
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🚨 Atlético are working to sign Donyell Malen.
@DiMarzio
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🚨 Atlético are working to sign Donyell Malen.
@DiMarzio
Tell them to F O
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I remember how many sitters Tammy missed when he was here. Could of had 10+ extra goals that season but was very wasteful.
He scored a lot as well
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The Athletic.
Tammy Abraham is an option, among several others, if Donyell Malen wants to leave Aston Villa (see below) and a striker is needed to replace him. However, Villa are happy with Malen and, as things stand, he will stay. There is interest in Abraham from other clubs, too. The 28-year-old is currently on loan at Turkey’s Besiktas from Italian side Roma, and their obligation to buy him has been triggered. A club-to-club deal between Villa and Besiktas would be relatively easy to do, while an agreement between the Premier League side and the player might be trickier, as Abraham is a high earner. However, Villa are not at that stage yet. Villa, as a club, are close to Abraham’s heart — he spent the 2018-19 season there on loan from Chelsea, helping them win promotion back to the Premier League via the play-offs. Manager Unai Emery is also a huge admirer — he has held a long-term interest in Abraham dating back to early in his Villa journey, with talks taking place at that point. There is a mutual affinity between the pair. There is an appetite on the player’s part for the move, but no agitation. Besiktas would be open to a potential deal but there have only been early enquiries at this point. While a couple of other Premier League clubs are keen, they are closer to the bottom end of the table than third-placed Villa. It is likely that Abraham’s situation will develop this month, but there is no guarantee he will move to Villa or anywhere else. David Ornstein
Villa forward Malen has received interest from multiple clubs, including Roma. As previously reported, Villa entered the window intending to sign a young striker and completed a deal for teenager Brian Madjo from French side Metz on Monday. But they will aim to bring in another forward if Malen leaves, with Abraham an option. While Villa are happy with the Netherlands international’s positive start to the season, his future will depend on the offer from suitors and, crucially, what Emery thinks. Malen, for his part, is aware of interest but, like Villa, has not yet chosen whether to stay at the club or pursue alternative options. Jacob Tanswell
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🚨 Atlético are working to sign Donyell Malen.
@DiMarzio
Tell them to F O
I’d prefer a bidding war.
We know AM have £35m quid spare, so we sell them Malen but as part of the deal they forego and clauses they have from the Aghehowa sale to Porto. Therefore villa can buy Aghehowa for a decent fee.
Job. Is. A. Good in.
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I remember how many sitters Tammy missed when he was here. Could of had 10+ extra goals that season but was very wasteful.
He scored a lot as well
We do not tend to create masses of opportunities, this is my concern with Tammy, he’ll need 3 to score 1
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🚨 Atlético are working to sign Donyell Malen.
@DiMarzio
They can get fucked.
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Elliot business likely to go down to the last day?
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Elliot business likely to go down to the last day?
If getting rid him early helps our transfer dealings, it's hard to see why Liverpool (if they are open to him coming back) would want to help us out by doing that.
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I remember how many sitters Tammy missed when he was here. Could of had 10+ extra goals that season but was very wasteful.
He scored a lot as well
We do not tend to create masses of opportunities, this is my concern with Tammy, he’ll need 3 to score 1
I trust Unai. I do think he will vastly help in that area. Rogers didnt look great at first but look how great he has. If tammy is who unai wants i fully support him.
Im hoping we may have some more attacking flair with another few additional players
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https://x.com/i/status/2011018684827935072
Atleti working on a deal to sign Malen.
Atleti took €40m ftom Spurs for Gallagher and are talking of a reported fee of €22-25m for Raspordi from either Roma or Atalanta
So shall we start with offers in the region of €45 - cash up front?
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Elliot business likely to go down to the last day?
If getting rid him early helps our transfer dealings, it's hard to see why Liverpool (if they are open to him coming back) would want to help us out by doing that.
Only sense would be if they can get £ from us for early cancellation and then loan him to a league he can play in. If he's not keen though, for Liverpool there is zero motivation. He's not going to play at either club. They would be better off asking us for ££ to remove the obligation so he can at least play and keep his value for them to sell him in the summer, but that may still not be that appealing to them. You have to feel for him in all of it, an entire season wasted.
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https://x.com/i/status/2011018684827935072
Atleti working on a deal to sign Malen.
Atleti took €40m ftom Spurs for Gallagher and are talking of a reported fee of €22-25m for Raspordi from either Roma or Atalanta
So shall we start with offers in the region of €45 - cash up front?
Lead them on and then sell elsewhere.
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🚨 Atlético are working to sign Donyell Malen.
@DiMarzio
They can get fucked.
Seconded. With bells on.
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I remember how many sitters Tammy missed when he was here. Could of had 10+ extra goals that season but was very wasteful.
He scored a lot as well
We do not tend to create masses of opportunities, this is my concern with Tammy, he’ll need 3 to score 1
As it’s been said he’s there to miss when Ollie can’t play. Like for like.😩
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The basic summary of the transfer window is that we have a possible once in a lifetime chance to do something spectacular, but the rules are preventing us from doing so, again. While Man City can spend £60 million on a bench warmer. Depressing.
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They spent £200m plus last Jan, not sure what you're issue is. They are allowed, they got rich before UEFA cared about protecting the stairs quo.
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They spent £200m plus last Jan, not sure what you're issue is. They are allowed, they got rich before UEFA cared about protecting the stairs quo.
We can catch up with them, but we'll have to take it one step at a time.
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They spent £200m plus last Jan, not sure what you're issue is. They are allowed, they got rich before UEFA cared about protecting the stairs quo.
We can catch up with them, but we'll have to take it one step at a time.
Feckin phones.
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I dont rate Tammy Abraham as a premier league player, can someone start a thread that we've definitely signed him please. No need to wait for the shirt stretch.
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The basic summary of the transfer window is that we have a possible once in a lifetime chance to do something spectacular, but the rules are preventing us from doing so, again. While Man City can spend £60 million on a bench warmer. Depressing.
Fair play, see.
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The basic summary of the transfer window is that we have a possible once in a lifetime chance to do something spectacular, but the rules are preventing us from doing so, again. While Man City can spend £60 million on a bench warmer. Depressing.
A team we’ve just dumped out of the cup in style can outbid us for players because they throw on a few NFL games a year and we don’t. Of course, football is all about sporting merit.
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I get that a player from the south might feel at home in London but the idea that for other players London is a bigger draw doesn't stand up to scrutiny when you look at the players Manu Ytd, Liverpool etc are able to attract.
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🚨🟡🔴 AS Roma remain optimistic also on Donyell Malen deal, negotiations well underway since yesterday.
Director Massara returns from France today with Robinio Vaz and his agents… up next, Malen deal. 🇳🇱
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I get that a player from the south might feel at home in London but the idea that for other players London is a bigger draw doesn't stand up to scrutiny when you look at the players Manu Ytd, Liverpool etc are able to attract.
Lots of Villa players already live in London anyway, it’s a non-issue.
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Really, I didn't think the club liked long travelling for training each day.
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Without getting all Eastie, off the top of my head Konsa and Digne live in London. A few more mentioned in rise of the villlains book, which is worth any Villa fan’s time.
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The basic summary of the transfer window is that we have a possible once in a lifetime chance to do something spectacular, but the rules are preventing us from doing so, again. While Man City can spend £60 million on a bench warmer. Depressing.
A team we’ve just dumped out of the cup in style can outbid us for players because they throw on a few NFL games a year and we don’t. Of course, football is all about sporting merit.
They can* outbid us for players because they've spend most of the last 15 years being good and we've spent most of the last 15 years being shit.
Them being a lot better than us during that very important time in establishing your football brand (spit) has resulted in greater levels of prestige and money.
*not that they necessarily have in this instance.
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Really, I didn't think the club liked long travelling for training each day.
Living in London doesn't mean commuting every day. They might spend two or three nights a week away from home as the 'norm', but retain their main family home elsewhere.
I know of one professional footballer who has done precisely this, and he's not even in the top flight. His wife and kids have stayed down south because they're settled in schools and so on, while he 'works' 100 miles north of them, spending 3 or 4 nights a week away from "home". I don't think it's ideal, and anyone signing a long-term contract you'd hope would move, but given football is such a transient business for many players, I don't begrudge them keeping a family home somewhere other than where the club is, as long as they're not commuting for several hours every day (which I definitely think would be a proble).
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Playing 2 games a week would mean most of the squad actually live in hotels. Living in London, Birmingham or wherever is when the season has finished. Even then they will do it all with different colleagues at international level. Of course they will spend some time at home, the odd day or two after playing or when injured.
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The basic summary of the transfer window is that we have a possible once in a lifetime chance to do something spectacular, but the rules are preventing us from doing so, again. While Man City can spend £60 million on a bench warmer. Depressing.
A team we’ve just dumped out of the cup in style can outbid us for players because they throw on a few NFL games a year and we don’t. Of course, football is all about sporting merit.
They can* outbid us for players because they've spend most of the last 15 years being good and we've spent most of the last 15 years being shit.
Them being a lot better than us during that very important time in establishing your football brand (spit) has resulted in greater levels of prestige and money.
*not that they necessarily have in this instance.
I know how it works, I just think it’s bullshit.
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Luca Digne and Konsa both live in the Smoke - so it can be done.
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The basic summary of the transfer window is that we have a possible once in a lifetime chance to do something spectacular, but the rules are preventing us from doing so, again. While Man City can spend £60 million on a bench warmer. Depressing.
A team we’ve just dumped out of the cup in style can outbid us for players because they throw on a few NFL games a year and we don’t. Of course, football is all about sporting merit.
They can* outbid us for players because they've spend most of the last 15 years being good and we've spent most of the last 15 years being shit.
Them being a lot better than us during that very important time in establishing your football brand (spit) has resulted in greater levels of prestige and money.
*not that they necessarily have in this instance.
I know how it works, I just think it’s bullshit.
But given what would benefit us right now is "how rich and generous the guy who owns your club happens to be is the only thing that matters'", we're not exactly demanding a levelling of the playing field, are we?
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The basic summary of the transfer window is that we have a possible once in a lifetime chance to do something spectacular, but the rules are preventing us from doing so, again. While Man City can spend £60 million on a bench warmer. Depressing.
A team we’ve just dumped out of the cup in style can outbid us for players because they throw on a few NFL games a year and we don’t. Of course, football is all about sporting merit.
They can* outbid us for players because they've spend most of the last 15 years being good and we've spent most of the last 15 years being shit.
Them being a lot better than us during that very important time in establishing your football brand (spit) has resulted in greater levels of prestige and money.
*not that they necessarily have in this instance.
That is the correct answer. While we were getting relegated, they were enjoying the first of four consecutive seasons in the top 4, and the champions league money/profile that comes with it. Plus they had a chairman who built a commercial monster along with it.
What they have, we CAN get, but we're not going to be able to short-cut our way to it in the way Man City and Chelsea did pre-FFP.
We need consistent and regular top 6 league finishes, and the European football that comes with it. That brings fans, sponsors and money. If we have 3 or 4 back-to-back seasons in the Champions League, then I have no doubt we'll be competing financially on something very close to a level playing field with these teams.
But unfortunately, the days of money buying your way into success are long gone. If you aren't there already, it's not happening. These days, we need that success first, to earn the money that will allow us to stay competitive long term.
Thankfully, Unai has shown so far he's more than capable of helping us get there.
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The basic summary of the transfer window is that we have a possible once in a lifetime chance to do something spectacular, but the rules are preventing us from doing so, again. While Man City can spend £60 million on a bench warmer. Depressing.
A team we’ve just dumped out of the cup in style can outbid us for players because they throw on a few NFL games a year and we don’t. Of course, football is all about sporting merit.
They can* outbid us for players because they've spend most of the last 15 years being good and we've spent most of the last 15 years being shit.
Them being a lot better than us during that very important time in establishing your football brand (spit) has resulted in greater levels of prestige and money.
*not that they necessarily have in this instance.
Either way, it's bollocks. If a team happens to be better at one point in history it doesn't mean rules should be established to ensure they have an advantage for the rest of time. Having a tax-payer funded massive stadium and being able to charge London prices doesn't hurt, either.
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Makes it all the more important to get HS2 done, Bodymoor only 10 minutes from the new Interchage station, they can all then live in London for all I care.
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The basic summary of the transfer window is that we have a possible once in a lifetime chance to do something spectacular, but the rules are preventing us from doing so, again. While Man City can spend £60 million on a bench warmer. Depressing.
A team we’ve just dumped out of the cup in style can outbid us for players because they throw on a few NFL games a year and we don’t. Of course, football is all about sporting merit.
They can* outbid us for players because they've spend most of the last 15 years being good and we've spent most of the last 15 years being shit.
Them being a lot better than us during that very important time in establishing your football brand (spit) has resulted in greater levels of prestige and money.
*not that they necessarily have in this instance.
I know how it works, I just think it’s bullshit.
But given what would benefit us right now is "how rich and generous the guy who owns your club happens to be is the only thing that matters'", we're not exactly asking demanding a levelling of the playing field, are we?
Football was never a level playing field but it also didn’t arbitrarily restrict ambitions, which is exactly what is happening now.
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Makes it all the more important to get HS2 done, Bodymoor only 10 minutes from the new Interchage station, they can all then live in London for all I care.
dont forget for the chimney arena too
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Luca Digne and Konsa both live in the Smoke - so it can be done.
As far as I'm aware Konsa lives in Lichfield. He lived in Higham on the Hill near Nuneaton until recently then moved there.
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Just going by the info in Rise of the Villains.
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Given Konsa's spent twenty years growing up in one, then nearly ten years working in the other and has earned several million pounds while there, I'd bet a lot that he owns very nice houses in both London and the Midlands.
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If i was a Villa player I'd live in the Cotswolds...perfect if you've got millions to chuck at property and offers a level of privacy. Appreciate it wouldn't appeal to the Grealish types and party boys..
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If i was a Villa player I'd live in the Cotswolds...perfect if you've got millions to chuck at property and offers a level of privacy. Appreciate it wouldn't appeal to the Grealish types and party boys..
Is there a Wilmslow equivalent in the midlands?
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The basic summary of the transfer window is that we have a possible once in a lifetime chance to do something spectacular, but the rules are preventing us from doing so, again. While Man City can spend £60 million on a bench warmer. Depressing.
A team we’ve just dumped out of the cup in style can outbid us for players because they throw on a few NFL games a year and we don’t. Of course, football is all about sporting merit.
They can* outbid us for players because they've spend most of the last 15 years being good and we've spent most of the last 15 years being shit.
Them being a lot better than us during that very important time in establishing your football brand (spit) has resulted in greater levels of prestige and money.
*not that they necessarily have in this instance.
Spot on Dave. That period under Mon had we kicked on from there and been a Cl side each season like other clubs had we would have the sponsorships, revenue etc. While we were on the decline other sides like spurs and chelsea continued to grow while we went other way. Now those rules have come back to bite us for those years of decline
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If i was a Villa player I'd live in the Cotswolds...perfect if you've got millions to chuck at property and offers a level of privacy. Appreciate it wouldn't appeal to the Grealish types and party boys..
Evesham way on would be great, I reckon - it's lovely round there. They're on sufficient money that if they were after a night out somewhere, they could just pay for a fancy hotel for a night or two.
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If i was a Villa player I'd live in the Cotswolds...perfect if you've got millions to chuck at property and offers a level of privacy. Appreciate it wouldn't appeal to the Grealish types and party boys..
Is there a Wilmslow equivalent in the midlands?
Knowle and Dorridge used to be the Wilmslow - Alderley Edge in the West Mids but don't know if they still are these days
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Luca Digne and Konsa both live in the Smoke - so it can be done.
As far as I'm aware Konsa lives in Lichfield. He lived in Higham on the Hill near Nuneaton until recently then moved there.
When LV said 'in the Smoke', perhaps he meant Lichfield.
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Konsa lives in Essex.
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If i was a Villa player I'd live in the Cotswolds...perfect if you've got millions to chuck at property and offers a level of privacy. Appreciate it wouldn't appeal to the Grealish types and party boys..
Is there a Wilmslow equivalent in the midlands?
Knowle and Dorridge used to be the Wilmslow - Alderley Edge in the West Mids but don't know if they still are these days
Grealish and Ollie lived in Barnt Green , not sure if Ollie still does. I know Big Ron is still there, as I bump into him fairly regular walking his dogs up the Lickeys.
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This is turning into Pin the tail on the Donkey....although Konsa clearly isn't one !!
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I would implore these wealthy young men to avoid the countryside at all costs. NOTHING HAPPENS AND IT IS SHIT.
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If i was a Villa player I'd live in the Cotswolds...perfect if you've got millions to chuck at property and offers a level of privacy. Appreciate it wouldn't appeal to the Grealish types and party boys..
Is there a Wilmslow equivalent in the midlands?
Knowle and Dorridge used to be the Wilmslow - Alderley Edge in the West Mids but don't know if they still are these days
Grealish and Ollie lived in Barnt Green , not sure if Ollie still does. I know Big Ron is still there, as I bump into him fairly regular walking his dogs up the Lickeys.
Grealish still has his house there, as do Ollie, Cash and BFR.
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I would implore these wealthy young men to avoid the countryside at all costs. NOTHING HAPPENS AND IT IS SHIT.
Seriously. I grew up in the countryside, it’s awful. Tarmac the fucking lot.
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I would implore these wealthy young men to avoid the countryside at all costs. NOTHING HAPPENS AND IT IS SHIT.
You should pitch an idea for a new TV programme called 'Escape to the City'.
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so no confirmatio on Gallagher today so far. Perhaps he's still thinking about it
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so no confirmatio on Gallagher today so far. Perhaps he's still thinking about it
He had his chance. The Villa gave him an opportunity to join an assault on the top places in the league and a European trophy and he couldn't make the right decision
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so no confirmatio on Gallagher today so far. Perhaps he's still thinking about it
...last seen chatting to BFR in an Estate Agents in Barnt Green...
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If i was a Villa player I'd live in the Cotswolds...perfect if you've got millions to chuck at property and offers a level of privacy. Appreciate it wouldn't appeal to the Grealish types and party boys..
Is there a Wilmslow equivalent in the midlands?
Knowle and Dorridge used to be the Wilmslow - Alderley Edge in the West Mids but don't know if they still are these days
We need to be letting these fancy London types know that, if they join Villa, they can live in Dorridge where there’s a direct Chiltern Line train to London for only £40 return off-peak, including travel card.
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So, City will poach the best player from Bournemouth and Palace, in January. Great for the game, great for the league. Isn't that what everyone wants to see?
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so no confirmatio on Gallagher today so far. Perhaps he's still thinking about it
Sounds like it wasn’t something to think about it can’t be an either/or if only one of them has agreed the deal the seller wants
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Wasn't sure if Ollie loved in Barnet Green. I was certain we cycled past each other near Tutnall a couple of summers back and gave each other the cycle nod of acknowledgement.
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If i was a Villa player I'd live in the Cotswolds...perfect if you've got millions to chuck at property and offers a level of privacy. Appreciate it wouldn't appeal to the Grealish types and party boys..
Is there a Wilmslow equivalent in the midlands?
Knowle and Dorridge used to be the Wilmslow - Alderley Edge in the West Mids but don't know if they still are these days
A few lived in and around the K&D region. SJM currently lives in the village, Hause did, Targett did, Alan Hutton, Conor Hourihane plus a few Albion players. Vassell and Little Lee Hendrie also local.
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Konsa I could understand having a place in London. Digne less so being as his only two English Clubs have been oop North. I would have assumed he would have still been around Cheshire.
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Elliot business likely to go down to the last day?
You mean elite business reserved for the final day, amirite?
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Super coach though , makes everyone better
yes but not £200K a week problem, coach doesn't need to waste time on that.
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I would implore these wealthy young men to avoid the countryside at all costs. NOTHING HAPPENS AND IT IS SHIT.
The city is a woman, bigger than any other
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Elliot business likely to go down to the last day?
You mean elite business reserved for the final day, amirite?
Worked well last time.
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If i was a Villa player I'd live in the Cotswolds...perfect if you've got millions to chuck at property and offers a level of privacy. Appreciate it wouldn't appeal to the Grealish types and party boys..
Is there a Wilmslow equivalent in the midlands?
Knowle and Dorridge used to be the Wilmslow - Alderley Edge in the West Mids but don't know if they still are these days
A few lived in and around the K&D region. SJM currently lives in the village, Hause did, Targett did, Alan Hutton, Conor Hourihane plus a few Albion players. Vassell and Little Lee Hendrie also local.
Do the bins get emptied in Knowle?
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Death penalty for any Knowle's House Party gags.
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If i was a Villa player I'd live in the Cotswolds...perfect if you've got millions to chuck at property and offers a level of privacy. Appreciate it wouldn't appeal to the Grealish types and party boys..
Is there a Wilmslow equivalent in the midlands?
Knowle and Dorridge used to be the Wilmslow - Alderley Edge in the West Mids but don't know if they still are these days
A few lived in and around the K&D region. SJM currently lives in the village, Hause did, Targett did, Alan Hutton, Conor Hourihane plus a few Albion players. Vassell and Little Lee Hendrie also local.
Do the bins get emptied in Knowle?
Solihull council so yes.
McLeish lived in Dorridge when he was manager.
Brady and Peschisolido family home is nearby
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(Not so) honourable mention for ManU gobshite Mark Goldbridge, my mate's next door neighbour in Dorridge.
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If i was a Villa player I'd live in the Cotswolds...perfect if you've got millions to chuck at property and offers a level of privacy. Appreciate it wouldn't appeal to the Grealish types and party boys..
Is there a Wilmslow equivalent in the midlands?
Knowle and Dorridge used to be the Wilmslow - Alderley Edge in the West Mids but don't know if they still are these days
A few lived in and around the K&D region. SJM currently lives in the village, Hause did, Targett did, Alan Hutton, Conor Hourihane plus a few Albion players. Vassell and Little Lee Hendrie also local.
Do the bins get emptied in Knowle?
Solihull council so yes.
McLeish lived in Dorridge when he was manager.
Brady and Peschisolido family home is nearby
Brady still have her house in solihull by alderbrook/tudor grange school?
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Elliot business likely to go down to the last day?
You mean elite business reserved for the final day, amirite?
Defo, we will get the band back together on the last day - Tammy, Ramsey, Luiz and Grealish - and storm to the title.
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🚨 Roma are now pushing to close the transfer of Donyell Malen — if all goes well, he’s expected in the city tomorrow.
@DiMarzio
#avfc
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If i was a Villa player I'd live in the Cotswolds...perfect if you've got millions to chuck at property and offers a level of privacy. Appreciate it wouldn't appeal to the Grealish types and party boys..
Is there a Wilmslow equivalent in the midlands?
Knowle and Dorridge used to be the Wilmslow - Alderley Edge in the West Mids but don't know if they still are these days
We need to be letting these fancy London types know that, if they join Villa, they can live in Dorridge where there’s a direct Chiltern Line train to London for only £40 return off-peak, including travel card.
Most of them will be under 31, making them elligible for a 18-25 or 26-30 railcard. At £35 for 33% off rail fares for 12 months, it's an absolute steal. Sometimes you can get the 3 year ones that are even better value. Snag one of those on the day before your 31st birthday and you're golden right the way up to your 34th birthday.
It's also worth them considering at the end of their contract, if you go to the job centre you can get a jobseekers railcard - you have to renew every 3 months, but it's free and has really good terms & conditions.
Edit: Just to put it in context, that'd take down the return train from Dorridge to London right down to £33 including a travelcard, which is an absolute bargain for the frugal premier league footballer.
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If we are talking transfers with the Romans, I like their winger Soule.
As said I can understand us wanting the wage space by getting Malen away but surely we can wait until his replacement arrives first?
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If it's Malen out, Abraham in, I'm more than a little underwhelmed.
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I'll be disappointed to see Malen go, for sure.
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Malen going would be very disappointing.
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If it's Malen out, Abraham in, I'm more than a little underwhelmed.
Me too. He has the limbs of a sparrow.
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Isn't Abraham supposed to be on megabucks ? I'd prefer to keep Malen, but it sounds like he wants to be more than super sub.
Marmoush is on £300k so forget that link surely?
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Malen out and Abraham in 😂
No chance. Absolutely no chance whatsoever.
I suspect we'll be getting Marmoush as well.
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If i was a Villa player I'd live in the Cotswolds...perfect if you've got millions to chuck at property and offers a level of privacy. Appreciate it wouldn't appeal to the Grealish types and party boys..
Is there a Wilmslow equivalent in the midlands?
I believe it’s Minworth, not far from the training ground but the real gem is Asda, few can resist its pull.
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If it's Malen out, Abraham in, I'm more than a little underwhelmed.
Me too. He has the limbs of a sparrow.
And another one. If we were sitting midtable with no real ambition I'd kind of understand it but we're not so I don't.
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If i was a Villa player I'd live in the Cotswolds...perfect if you've got millions to chuck at property and offers a level of privacy. Appreciate it wouldn't appeal to the Grealish types and party boys..
Is there a Wilmslow equivalent in the midlands?
I believe it’s Minworth, not far from the training ground but the real gem is Asda, few can resist its pull.
This tallies with my research.
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Malen out and Abraham in 😂
No chance. Absolutely no chance whatsoever.
I suspect we'll be getting Marmoush as well.
Isn’t he on massive wages?
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Malen out and Abraham in 😂
No chance. Absolutely no chance whatsoever.
I suspect we'll be getting Marmoush as well.
Isn’t he on massive wages?
Citeh will not sell to us right now.
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They might sell him - they wouldn’t loan him, and if he’s on massive wages it’s a non-starter either way.
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They might sell him - they wouldn’t loan him, and if he’s on massive wages it’s a non-starter either way.
This season? No chance.
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If i was a Villa player I'd live in the Cotswolds...perfect if you've got millions to chuck at property and offers a level of privacy. Appreciate it wouldn't appeal to the Grealish types and party boys..
Is there a Wilmslow equivalent in the midlands?
I believe it’s Minworth, not far from the training ground but the real gem is Asda, few can resist its pull.
This tallies with my research.
When the wind blows in the right direction it has a charm that few other places can match.
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Malen out and Abraham in 😂
No chance. Absolutely no chance whatsoever.
I suspect we'll be getting Marmoush as well.
Isn’t he on massive wages?
Malen was on a decent wage too.
Anyway they would sell to us, they don't care.
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Highest earner at the club is Sancho.
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I’m not sure Man City would’ve that stared about selling us / loaning us that Marmoush fellow. They’ve just signed a load more players haven’t they? I have no idea if Marmoush is any good.
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Looks like Malen won't be around by Sunday but unlikely we will have a replacement in by then. Not ideal.
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Tanswell is having a mare at the minute.
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Highest earner at the club is Sancho.
Joke ting.
I'd terminate If it meant getting The Moosh.
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Looks like Malen won't be around by Sunday but unlikely we will have a replacement in by then. Not ideal.
BRIAN you are in bab !!
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Tanswell is having a mare at the minute.
You sure? He's our golden boy. It was Percy who went in hard on Gallagher.
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Tanswell is having a mare at the minute.
You sure? He's our golden boy. It was Percy who went in hard on Gallagher.
Golden boy?! I haven't seen anyone associated with Villa more badly in need of subbing since Luc Nilis went down Vs Ipswich.
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Tanswell is having a mare at the minute.
You sure? He's our golden boy. It was Percy who went in hard on Gallagher.
Golden boy?! I haven't seen anyone associated with Villa more badly in need of subbing since Luc Nilis went down Vs Ipswich.
Whats the hate for tanswell? He’s great! Or are you pining for the days of gregg Evans?
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No hate here, just occasionally tortured by prose.
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🚨 Donyell Malen to Roma — €2m loan fee, with a mandatory clause set at €25m in case Roma qualifies for any European competition next season.
@DiMarzio
Roma have improved their offer to Aston Villa for Donyell Malen: €2 million on loan, plus a €25 million option to buy if they qualify for European competition.
Roma are pushing ahead with the move for Donyell Malen: in the last few hours, the Giallorossi club has presented an improved offer to Aston Villa, aiming to close the deal and beat out competition from Atletico Madrid, who are keeping a close eye on the deal.
The proposal in question involves a €2 million loan , with a mandatory buyout of €25 million if Roma qualifies for a European competition next season: Champions League, Europa League, or Conference. There is no clause tied to the player's number of appearances.
In effect, it's almost a permanent signing: to avoid triggering the obligation to buy, Roma would have to finish the season in seventh place, an unlikely scenario. Contacts are continuing, and optimism is growing: Roma wants Malen and has now put the right offer on the table to try and bring him to the capital.
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That's a strong offer and likely their final one.
Terrible time to move him in though, unless we've got a replacement in mind and ready to fire on.
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we really do not know what we have lined up so lets keep the faith but obviously worry secretly
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We do, it's just that no one seems particularly keen on it outside of those in charge...
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Can understand people feeling a bit jittery about our early transfer business, but I remember feeling the same early in the summer window and it all turned out just fine… oh.
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Can understand people feeling a bit jittery about our early transfer business, but I remember feeling the same early in the summer window and it all turned out just fine… oh.
We are joint 2nd in the league.
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Highest earner at the club is Sancho.
If this is true, then it’s not only heartbreaking, it’s fucking criminal.
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be a shame to lose Malen. It would be a huge blow to the squad, the only position we're really short.
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Can understand people feeling a bit jittery about our early transfer business, but I remember feeling the same early in the summer window and it all turned out just fine… oh.
We are joint 2nd in the league.
Absolutely not complaining and understand we’re being held back by rules that are designed to do just that. Just hoping, like many, that we can work some magic and pull something out of the bag. It’s such a great opportunity to kick on.
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Manure will have an absolute mare shifting him after this season.
If one of the best man managers in Europe can't get a consistent tune out of him, no one can.
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Unai can smell the league title, there is no way he would let Malen go if the club didn't have a plan. Not a chance.
There is a plan...
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One thing for sure. When we do have some money to spend, we won't have a lot of deadwood to shift.
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We are definitely down to the bare bones of saleable assets who might be deemed surplus for the right offer. Malen, Buendia, Bogarde, Garcia have a value. But players like Ross Barkley, Lindelof, Mings, even Lucas don’t have much if we are trying to raise funds. I wouldn’t want us selling, moving out anyone else in an effort to buy new players. Certainly not in January.
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Highest earner at the club is Sancho.
If this is true, then it’s not only heartbreaking, it’s fucking criminal.
We didn't give him his contract.
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Highest earner at the club is Sancho.
If this is true, then it’s not only heartbreaking, it’s fucking criminal.
We didn't give him his contract.
We agreed to pay whatever percentage of it we pay to make him our highest earner though.
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Highest earner at the club is Sancho.
If this is true, then it’s not only heartbreaking, it’s fucking criminal.
We didn't give him his contract.
I was presuming the original quote was that he was the highest earner at Villa.
In which case, we took that on.
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Manure will have an absolute mare shifting him after this season.
If one of the best man managers in Europe can't get a consistent tune out of him, no one can.
I doubt it. His contract runs out at the end of the season.
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Sancho free to land a permanent deal next summer for himself from this month? Wasters like him are incentivised to run down their contracts doing the square root of f*ck all. More attractive book value in summer when out of contract. Highlights the insanity of the current regs.
Granted Tielemans arguably did the same at Leicester for last 18 months there but he delivered a lot for them before then.
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My only memory of Gallagher was the goal he scored in the 2-2 at VP a couple of years ago. I’d rather forget him to be honest.
I'd gone for a piss and missed it, was sat with Risso and it was honestly a good 5 minutes before I realised they'd scored.
No fits of rage from Risso, like the occasional ones on here?!
One day he'll come back hand in hand with Bad English and Dogtanian.
Whatever happened to those three?
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No fits of rage from Risso, like the occasional ones on here?!
One day he'll come back hand in hand with Bad English and Dogtanian.
Whatever happened to those three?
A couple of them were amongst the highest posters on the forum, so they were shipped out to Villa Talk to comply with Poster Sustainability Regulations.
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Roma don't even need to finish in the top 7, they could win the Europa League.
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Risso posted earlier on the Brian Green thread.
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Thanks for alerting me to that thread, Dave. Assumed the worst after reading your post.
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Latest rumour is Abraham with Guessand swap.
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Latest rumour is Abraham with Guessand swap.
Err ok, do it quick before they watch any videos.
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Latest rumour is Abraham with Guessand swap.
Adds a different take on it, would bite your hand off for that
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We'd still need a pact forward option. Malen is literally our only forward that can run. Watkins waking up for a few games has been useful but we need options. Rashford was so useful because of his pace.
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It's a rotten deal if they're not adding cash on top
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Latest rumour is Abraham with Guessand swap.
Guessand to Besiktas? In most of his games he has been a bit of a Turkey...
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Guessand gets such a hard time , i think it is really harsh for a lad in his first season. here
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🚨 Donyell Malen to Roma — €2m loan fee, with a mandatory clause set at €25m in case Roma qualifies for any European competition next season.
@DiMarzio
Roma have improved their offer to Aston Villa for Donyell Malen: €2 million on loan, plus a €25 million option to buy if they qualify for European competition.
Roma are pushing ahead with the move for Donyell Malen: in the last few hours, the Giallorossi club has presented an improved offer to Aston Villa, aiming to close the deal and beat out competition from Atletico Madrid, who are keeping a close eye on the deal.
The proposal in question involves a €2 million loan , with a mandatory buyout of €25 million if Roma qualifies for a European competition next season: Champions League, Europa League, or Conference. There is no clause tied to the player's number of appearances.
In effect, it's almost a permanent signing: to avoid triggering the obligation to buy, Roma would have to finish the season in seventh place, an unlikely scenario. Contacts are continuing, and optimism is growing: Roma wants Malen and has now put the right offer on the table to try and bring him to the capital.
Might as well give him away
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Latest rumour is Abraham with Guessand swap.
Guessand to Besiktas? In most of his games he has been a bit of a Turkey...
They'll sell him in the summer to Neom SC in Saudi Arabia for a tidy profit. It's what we should be trying to do now. They offered Nice more than us last summer and the player €8.6m a season. All his people wanted him to take the deal. Can't think why.
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Latest rumour is Abraham with Guessand swap.
Guessand to Besiktas? In most of his games he has been a bit of a Turkey...
They'll sell him in the summer to Neom SC in Saudi Arabia for a tidy profit. It's what we should be trying to do now. They offered Nice more than us last summer and the player €8.6m a season. All his people wanted him to take the deal. Can't think why.
...hopefully he chooses the gravy train..
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I really hate the transfer windows. An obscene cattle mart. Players fattened-up and fucked off to their next stop on the gravy train.
Thankfully we play great football these days which isn’t a bad distraction, and there's games coming thick and fast.
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TNT headline ‘ Cherki snapped up for only 34 million ‘. Only !! . just awful sycophants . What about all the others ?!. i think i hate the media more than other clubs 🤔😃
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TNT headline ‘ Cherki snapped up for only 34 million ‘. Only !! . just awful sycophants . What about all the others ?!. i think i hate the media more than other clubs 🤔😃
We’re all meant to be excited by this sort of shit. Obscene amounts of money paid out for prize Bulls. As someone pointed out on another thread. TNT and all media outlets are only interested in advertising revenues. and subscribers.
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TNT headline ‘ Cherki snapped up for only 34 million ‘. Only !! . just awful sycophants . What about all the others ?!. i think i hate the media more than other clubs 🤔😃
We’re all meant to be excited by this sort of shit. Obscene amounts of money paid out for prize Bulls. As someone pointed out on another thread. TNT and all media outlets are only interested in advertising revenues. and subscribers.
It’s the fact that they are prepared to sell out the integrity of the game is the bigger problem.
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Some Dodgy feed linking us with Kean
🚨 Aston Villa have begun to make a decisive move for Fiorentina striker, Moise Kean 🇮🇹
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We'd still need a pact forward option. Malen is literally our only forward that can run. Watkins waking up for a few games has been useful but we need options. Rashford was so useful because of his pace.
If Malen leaves - which seems likely - I wonder whether Emery sees Alysson and Brian as possible impact subs? - particularly if he has Abraham into the squad as well. Those 2 might obviate the need for one of Guessand or Sancho ...
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Guessand gets such a hard time , i think it is really harsh for a lad in his first season. here
Perhaps if he tried to look like he's playing in football boots not roller skates, I might be a bit more understanding.
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I really hate the transfer windows. An obscene cattle mart. Players fattened-up and fucked off to their next stop on the gravy train.
Sounds like some bizarre crossover between a Toby carvery and Yo Sushi
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With Malen almost departed, I suspect we will soon reveal our hand on his replacement.
They wouldn’t take this risk unless they have a notable replacement lined up imo. The finances cannot be that bad.
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With Malen almost departed I suspect we will soon reveal our hand onhis replacement is.
They wouldn’t take this risk unless they have a notable replacement lined up. The finances cannot be that bad.
Aren’t we still stuffed by the same punishment we were under over the summer though (ie net nil spend). So the finances might slowly be getting better (& it will be very slow given the way they’re accounted for) but the sanction still restricts what we can do.
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It also means we cannot be agile in our dealings, having to sell before we can buy.
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With Malen almost departed I suspect we will soon reveal our hand onhis replacement is.
They wouldn’t take this risk unless they have a notable replacement lined up. The finances cannot be that bad.
Aren’t we still stuffed by the same punishment we were under over the summer though (ie net nil spend). So the finances might slowly be getting better (& it will be very slow given the way they’re accounted for) but the sanction still restricts what we can do.
I think that is the case too.
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With Malen almost departed I suspect we will soon reveal our hand onhis replacement is.
They wouldn’t take this risk unless they have a notable replacement lined up. The finances cannot be that bad.
Aren’t we still stuffed by the same punishment we were under over the summer though (ie net nil spend). So the finances might slowly be getting better (& it will be very slow given the way they’re accounted for) but the sanction still restricts what we can do.
I think that is the case too.
I think so too, but if the only sanction is that we can't add them to our Europa League squad, you'd think that potential signings are going to be more interested in the "top three in the Premier League" bit of our season.
UEFA might however decide that we're being cheeky and the suspended bit of the punishment is enforced next summer as well. Which would be annoying.
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You’d imagine we’d run it past UEFA if that’s what we want to do.
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You’d imagine we’d run it past UEFA if that’s what we want to do.
More likely they’ll get the legal team to run the rule over it all and find a loop hole. We won’t get anywhere going cap in hand to that lot.
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Some Dodgy feed linking us with Kean
🚨 Aston Villa have begun to make a decisive move for Fiorentina striker, Moise Kean 🇮🇹
The Don out and Kean in would be a curious type of sabotage, alright.
Hopefully just his agent trying to get him a better deal with whatever unfortunates he’s with at the moment.
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wasn’t he a non entity at Everton ?
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With Malen almost departed, I suspect we will soon reveal our hand on his replacement.
They wouldn’t take this risk unless they have a notable replacement lined up imo. The finances cannot be that bad.
We didn't let Danny Ings go without a replacement. But circumstances a bit different this time for sure, chasing CL football and going deep in two cup competitions.
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Some Dodgy feed linking us with Kean
🚨 Aston Villa have begun to make a decisive move for Fiorentina striker, Moise Kean 🇮🇹
Im not kean on this signing
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Moise Kean sounds like an awful move
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Keane must* have spurts of excellence to convince big clubs to sign him, then periods of complete anonymity follow like at Everton.
*I’ve not followed his career, how frequent are these, or is he still living off his wonderkid status?
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Yes, a big fuck NO from me.
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I would rather Robbie ! ( not really but felt it is a thing to say )
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wasn’t he a non entity at Everton ?
Complete flop. Balotelli like character from memory.
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Looks like he scored 20 odd goals in Serie A last season and still gets regular starts for Italy
Still not keen mind
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These financial restrictions are a pain in the arse but I also think it has some advantages for us:
1) We probably have the most settled squad in the league.
2) Continuity can be bliss.
3) After his Pepe blunder, Unai probably prefers to buy a player for 10 to 20 million who he can develope/mould into our style of play and become a 70 million player. A player bought for 70 million is probably less adaptable.
4) Harmony in the changing room. No mercenaries flashing the cash.
5) Without restrictions, Newcastle would probably clean up.
Always look on the bright side of life, di da,di da di da di da.
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That is very positive pollyanna 💪😀
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He was only 19 when ar Everton. 1 in 2 season at PSG and Fiorentina book ending a mixed time at Juve.
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Kean's a talent.
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Kean's a talent.
20 goals would suggest so
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Kean was shit in the Premier League.
In my view, failed the interview.
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wasn’t he a non entity at Everton ?
Complete flop. Balotelli like character from memory.
Not even close.
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That is very positive pollyanna 💪😀
How did you know my middle name? :D
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wasn’t he a non entity at Everton ?
He was, but he was very young. Had a great season for Fiorentina last year. Less good this year.
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wasn’t he a non entity at Everton ?
He was, but he was very young. Had a great season for Fiorentina last year. Less good this year.
yes just looked 24 goals in 50 games and 11 goals in 24 for Italy .. He wont be cheap i imagine
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What’s going on at Fiorentina? Did ok last year but complete basket case this year although bit of a resurgence of late has given them a decent chance of avoiding the drop
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You’d imagine we’d run it past UEFA if that’s what we want to do.
More likely they’ll get the legal team to run the rule over it all and find a loop hole. We won’t get anywhere going cap in hand to that lot.
Seems to be what we did with Osula in August.
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Associated deal bullshit wouldn't stand up in court. Basically we can't sign anyone from a team we sold a player to as they'd claim the fees are inflated?
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Some Dodgy feed linking us with Kean
🚨 Aston Villa have begun to make a decisive move for Fiorentina striker, Moise Kean 🇮🇹
Malen to be replaced by the MK Don? 8)
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With Malen almost departed I suspect we will soon reveal our hand onhis replacement is.
They wouldn’t take this risk unless they have a notable replacement lined up. The finances cannot be that bad.
Aren’t we still stuffed by the same punishment we were under over the summer though (ie net nil spend). So the finances might slowly be getting better (& it will be very slow given the way they’re accounted for) but the sanction still restricts what we can do.
I think that is the case too.
I think so too, but if the only sanction is that we can't add them to our Europa League squad, you'd think that potential signings are going to be more interested in the "top three in the Premier League" bit of our season.
UEFA might however decide that we're being cheeky and the suspended bit of the punishment is enforced next summer as well. Which would be annoying.
I'm not sure they have any mechanism to do that. Some of the rules in place would still apply but so long as what we're doing doesn't breach any of those UEFA would have no grounds to punish us for being cheeky. I think they're already over-reaching with some of what they're doing regarding the valuation of players in swap deal but if they started stepping outside of their own judgement because they don't think we're operating within the spirit of it then I'm pretty certain it'd be legally challenged by us very quickly.
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I'm not sure they have any mechanism to do that. Some of the rules in place would still apply but so long as what we're doing doesn't breach any of those UEFA would have no grounds to punish us for being cheeky. I think they're already over-reaching with some of what they're doing regarding the valuation of players in swap deal but if they started stepping outside of their own judgement because they don't think we're operating within the spirit of it then I'm pretty certain it'd be legally challenged by us very quickly.
I think the mechanisms are in the original judgement aren't they?
7. Sporting Disciplinary Measures
• The Club agrees to be subject to a sporting restriction and, as a consequence, may not
register any new player on its List A to UEFA club competitions unless the List A Transfer
Balance is positive.
• The List A Transfer Balance is defined as the difference between the cost savings from
outgoing players (“Cost savings”) and the new costs from incoming players (“New costs”) at
any applicable deadline for the Club’s submission of its List A.
• The sporting restriction is foreseen as follows:
• It unconditionally applies in the 2025/26 season;
• It conditionally applies in the 2026/27 season, if the Club has a Football Earnings
deficit in the reporting period 2025;
• It conditionally applies in the 2027/28 season, if the Club exceeds the 2026 Target;
and
• It conditionally applies in the 2028/29 season if the Club exceeds the Final Target
by less than EUR 20 million.
• Should the Club exceed any Target of the Settlement by more than EUR 10 million, but less
than EUR 20 million, the limitation shall be more restrictive, as the calculated Cost savings
from outgoing players shall be reduced by 50% (i.e., the New costs from incoming players
will have to be less than 50% of the Cost savings from outgoing players).
Now, I'm just a simple hyper-chicken from a backwoods asteroid - but that seems to suggest that the same restrictions will apply for the 26/27 seeason, if we don't also have a transfer profit for this year as well.
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Yes, but it explicitly says it's based on the uefa squad. They'd have to add new assessment criteria that aren't included to punish us for spending money outside that (that fits within the general financial rules). That's what I mean by there being no mechanism for it.
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Kean was shit in the Premier League.
In my view, failed the interview.
Salah failed his interview back when he was the same age.
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Yes, but it explicitly says it's based on the uefa squad. They'd have to add new assessment criteria that aren't included to punish us for spending money outside that (that fits within the general financial rules). That's what I mean by there being no mechanism for it.
But let's say we go and spend £60m on Marmoush, don't include him in our Europa Squad on Feb 1st. Happy days, we go and win the league. As I said, I think that the level of player we'd hopefully sign in these circumstances wouldn't be all that arsed about not being involved in the Europa League this season.
But come the summer, UEFA say "but you still can't register any new players on your A list, because you now have a 'Football Earnings deficit' for this reporting period because you spent £60m on Marmoush back in January. So your punishment isn't suspended, you've got another year of it".
And those players will be arsed about next years (hoped for) Champions League campaign.
Put it this way, if it's all fine and we don't need to worry about future UEFA A list squads, there's no discernible reason we wouldn't be beefing up the squad and spending loads of money this January, is there?
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I would rather Robbie ! ( not really but felt it is a thing to say )
Maybe we are restricted to buying Irish strikers!
As for Moise, why the hell are we always linked to him?
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🚨🟡🔴 Donyell Malen to AS Roma, here we go! Deal in place with Aston Villa and player’s agents.
Malen, authorized by Villa to fly to Roma today.
£2m loan fee, £25m buy clause to become mandatory. #AVFC accept all conditions of loan deal, manager by Roma director Ricky Massara.
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🚨🟡🔴 Donyell Malen to AS Roma, here we go! Deal in place with Aston Villa and player’s agents.
Malen, authorized by Villa to fly to Roma today.
£2m loan fee, £25m buy clause to become mandatory. #AVFC accept all conditions of loan deal, manager by Roma director Ricky Massara.
At least the fees are in pounds rather than euros. Makes more sense now.
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Five games in fifteen days coming up and we are back to having one striker again. I hope there is a plan.
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Hmm, I think that should be € as originally reported, no ?
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Will Tammy be coming back then?
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To become (mandatory)? On what conditions? Seems a mental thing for us to be doing unless we have absolute proven quality coming in tomorrow.
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To become (mandatory)? On what conditions?
Roma qualifying for any European competition. Hon the Romans!
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To become (mandatory)? On what conditions?
Roma qualifying for any European competition. Hon the Romans!
*monkey's paw*
Fast-forward to Malen's winner in the Europa League final against us, qualifying them for the Champions League and triggering his transfer.
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To become (mandatory)? On what conditions?
Roma qualifying for any European competition. Hon the Romans!
*monkey's paw*
Fast-forward to Malen's winner in the Europa League final against us, qualifying them for the Champions League and triggering his transfer.
Haha, fuck sake you could see it happening too.
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Townley says Malen is leaving because he wants to play frequently as a 9, but Emery sees him as a 10. But Emery rarely played him there? So to replace him are we going to look at the position he actually played (rotation with Watkins) or the role Emery saw him in?
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Townley says Malen is leaving because he wants to play frequently as a 9, but Emery sees him as a 10. But Emery rarely played him there? So to replace him are we going to look at the position he actually played (rotation with Watkins) or the role Emery saw him in?
Feels a bit like Diaby, who never seemed happy being a 10.
João Felix inbound.
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Will Tammy be coming back then?
I just saw a report saying we're willing to part swap Guessand for Tammy Abraham.
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Maybe that's why he always had a face like a smacked arse?
Maybe one of those ones where he was never going to be happy because he wasn't suited to a starting No9 role in the PL, he wasn't anywhere near good enough when the ball is played into him with his back to goal.
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Funnily enough, Diaby is just the kind of player the squad needs.
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Will Tammy be coming back then?
I just saw a report saying we're willing to part swap Guessand for Tammy Abraham.
Yes please!
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Funnily enough, Diaby is just the kind of player the squad needs.
Ideally, a taller Diaby who can also play alone up front and is a help from set pieces.
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Will Tammy be coming back then?
I just saw a report saying we're willing to part swap Guessand for Tammy Abraham.
'And I want to fuck Angie Dickinson, let's see who gets lucky first'
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Townley says Malen is leaving because he wants to play frequently as a 9, but Emery sees him as a 10. But Emery rarely played him there? So to replace him are we going to look at the position he actually played (rotation with Watkins) or the role Emery saw him in?
Also, if it's a "him" thing rather than an "us" thing, I'm not sure what he was expecting when he joined. We play with one striker, presumably he didn't think he was coming in to play ahead of Watkins, and while I think he's done his job just fine for us it's not like he's done anything to make himself an undisputed first choice in that role.
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Yes something in that, Ollie has been off colour at times and he's done little to suggest he could replace him and make the position his own.
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Malen could play up top with someone but not on his own. I think he has done well but we dont have the luxury on the finance of keeping him in our squad if we need to move things around
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It’s the same reason we let Cameron Archer go, we are not set up for an off the shoulder striker. Malen has shown that he can be pretty effective in the right circumstances.
I just hope we have something lined up.
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To become (mandatory)? On what conditions?
Roma qualifying for any European competition. Hon the Romans!
*monkey's paw*
Fast-forward to Malen's winner in the Europa League final against us, qualifying them for the Champions League and triggering his transfer.
Haha, fuck sake you could see it happening too.
Nonsense, when have the Romans ever done for us?
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Also, if it's a "him" thing rather than an "us" thing
Side thought: it’s preferable to have a reputation (as a club) that works constructively together with players if they are unhappy about their situation, or a looking to change things ahead of international competitions etc.
In the short term it might not be ideal, but it would help us to be seen as a ‘safe’ place for players (unlike, say, Man Utd) - where even if it doesn’t work out it won’t be the end of their career.
In my opinion the Elliott situation is potentially far more damaging in terms of reputation amongst players, than the actual wasted wages.
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It’s the same reason we let Cameron Archer go, we are not set up for an off the shoulder striker.
That's not really what Malen is though - he's "run fast at a retreating centre-back" striker - as per his goal against Young Boys and Emi's on Saturday.
And I'd say we definitely have room in the way we play for a player who can do that.
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Also, if it's a "him" thing rather than an "us" thing
Side thought: it’s preferable to have a reputation (as a club) that works constructively together with players if they are unhappy about their situation, or a looking to change things ahead of international competitions etc.
In the short term it might not be ideal, but it would help us to be seen as a ‘safe’ place for players (unlike, say, Man Utd) - where even if it doesn’t work out it won’t be the end of their career.
In my opinion the Elliott situation is potentially far more damaging in terms of reputation amongst players, than the actual wasted wages.
Yup, agree on all counts.
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It’s the same reason we let Cameron Archer go, we are not set up for an off the shoulder striker.
That's not really what Malen is though - he's "run fast at a retreating centre-back" striker - as per his goal against Young Boys and Emi's on Saturday.
And I'd say we definitely have room in the way we play for a player who can do that.
I suppose the dilemma is how do you combine that with also being able to deputise for Watkins. If we sacrifice one for the other that’s a compromise I’d be willing to make with our other no 10s picking up the slack. I realise others view that differently.
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It’s the same reason we let Cameron Archer go, we are not set up for an off the shoulder striker.
That's not really what Malen is though - he's "run fast at a retreating centre-back" striker - as per his goal against Young Boys and Emi's on Saturday.
And I'd say we definitely have room in the way we play for a player who can do that.
He takes up similar positions in that he isn’t able to play back to goal but I know what you mean. Looking at his goals his ability to get the ball out of his feet and strike quickly has been impressive.
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Tammy for Malen is pretty underwhelming.
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Talk that we’ve put in an official bid for Ferran Torres and Barcelona are seriously considering it.
Not from one of the reputable sources, mind.
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Talk that we’ve put in an official bid for Ferran Torres and Barcelona are seriously considering it.
Not from one of the reputable sources, mind.
Isn’t that every window ever since Emery has been here? May as well throw in a bid for Joao Felix while we are at it.
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Talk that we’ve put in an official bid for Ferran Torres and Barcelona are seriously considering it.
Not from one of the reputable sources, mind.
We can copy and paste this every window
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I expect we’ll replace Malen with a central striker that can hold up the ball and also defend. But who is also happy being a sub/rotated
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Guessand?!
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Funnily enough, Diaby is just the kind of player the squad needs.
I'd love Johnny Danger (Durán, not Kodjia) back before Diabs.
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Talk that we’ve put in an official bid for Ferran Torres and Barcelona are seriously considering it.
Not from one of the reputable sources, mind.
Isn’t that every window ever since Emery has been here? May as well throw in a bid for Joao Felix while we are at it.
Nicolas Jackson isn't pulling up any trees at Bayern. Some Brit called Harry is hogging the limelight.
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Guessand?!
The grandest of grand masterplans
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Guessand?!
The grandest of grand masterplans
He'll be like a new signing when he gets back!
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To be fair, have we seen him play in a central position yet?
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Talk that we’ve put in an official bid for Ferran Torres and Barcelona are seriously considering it.
Not from one of the reputable sources, mind.
Isn’t that every window ever since Emery has been here? May as well throw in a bid for Joao Felix while we are at it.
Nicolas Jackson isn't pulling up any trees at Bayern. Some Brit called Harry is hogging the limelight.
I’m convinced he’ll join in the summer.
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To be fair, have we seen him play in a central position yet?
If moving him to the centre gives him the power of ball control, dribbling and pace… I’m all for it.
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To be fair, have we seen him play in a central position yet?
He looks as bad in the penalty area as he does out wide.
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Palmeiras rejects a 35M€ offer from Napoli for Allan. The player hag a significant inquiry from Newcastle and another from Aston Villa. He will stay in Brazil until after the World Cup. 100M€ release clause. https://as.com/futbol/internacional/palmeiras-no-a-35m-por-allan-f202601-n/
VancouverLion will be pleased if we sign him.
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To be fair, have we seen him play in a central position yet?
If moving him to the centre gives him the power of ball control, dribbling and pace… I’m all for it.
I really think there will be some serious eating of desperate dan humble pie this time next year Rodney !!!
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We can't sign a Brazilian called Allan FFS. Would it be too much for them to send us a Plato, an Erasmus or a Galo de Burro?
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We can't sign a Brazilian called Allan FFS. Would it be too much for them to send us a Plato, an Erasmus or a Galo de Burro?
A Pele would be nice
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We had his son.
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We can't sign a Brazilian called Allan FFS. Would it be too much for them to send us a Plato, an Erasmus or a Galo de Burro?
It's no wonder their national team's so shit at the moment - finished 5th in the 2 horse race of WC qualification in South America.
Come on, Brazilian parents - buck your ideas up when you're naming your children!
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Palmeiras rejects a 35M€ offer from Napoli for Allan. The player hag a significant inquiry from Newcastle and another from Aston Villa. He will stay in Brazil until after the World Cup. 100M€ release clause. https://as.com/futbol/internacional/palmeiras-no-a-35m-por-allan-f202601-n/
VancouverLion will be pleased if we sign him.
;D
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Yes, but it explicitly says it's based on the uefa squad. They'd have to add new assessment criteria that aren't included to punish us for spending money outside that (that fits within the general financial rules). That's what I mean by there being no mechanism for it.
But let's say we go and spend £60m on Marmoush, don't include him in our Europa Squad on Feb 1st. Happy days, we go and win the league. As I said, I think that the level of player we'd hopefully sign in these circumstances wouldn't be all that arsed about not being involved in the Europa League this season.
But come the summer, UEFA say "but you still can't register any new players on your A list, because you now have a 'Football Earnings deficit' for this reporting period because you spent £60m on Marmoush back in January. So your punishment isn't suspended, you've got another year of it".
And those players will be arsed about next years (hoped for) Champions League campaign.
Put it this way, if it's all fine and we don't need to worry about future UEFA A list squads, there's no discernible reason we wouldn't be beefing up the squad and spending loads of money this January, is there?
Well we still need to meet all the other regulations so we'd still be restricted in what we can do but there's nothing in the ruling to say you must not only maintain a positive balance on transfers into the UEFA squad but you also can't do anything we don't like and if you do we might make up additional restrictions retroactively so we can punish you a bit more, despite you doing everything we asked.
Nothing in either the standard regulations or in the specific judgement they made allows them to add extra requirements down the line. As I said they're already pushing the limits of what they can do by deciding to adjust player transfer values in some circumstances because player values are subjective so what counts as a fair market rate is very difficult to say with any certainty.
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Aren’t the PL regulations migrating to something closer to the UEFA rules?
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Well we still need to meet all the other regulations so we'd still be restricted in what we can do but there's nothing in the ruling to say you must not only maintain a positive balance on transfers into the UEFA squad but you also can't do anything we don't like and if you do we might make up additional restrictions retroactively so we can punish you a bit more, despite you doing everything we asked.
Nothing in either the standard regulations or in the specific judgement they made allows them to add extra requirements down the line. As I said they're already pushing the limits of what they can do by deciding to adjust player transfer values in some circumstances because player values are subjective so what counts as a fair market rate is very difficult to say with any certainty.
There's no talk of "making up additional restrictions retroactively" or "adding extra requirements".
Right now our UEFA restrictions apply unconditionally for this season. The same restrictions apply conditionally for 26/27 and 27/28 (and potentially even 28/29).
As you see it, what do we need to avoid doing this month and in the summer that would make that current conditional punishment turn into an actual punishment?
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Aren't the conditions if we fail to get within a set level of the target this year? In theory if we have our wages at the correct level and had a positive transfer target then we don't get restricted next season.
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Aren't the conditions if we fail to get within a set level of the target this year? In theory if we have our wages at the correct level and had a positive transfer target then we don't get restricted next season.
I'm not an expert, but I don't think so.
e.g
2. Duration
• The Settlement Regime shall cover:
• The three reporting periods ending in 2025, 2026, and 2027; and
• The three sporting seasons 2025/26, 2026/27, and 2027/28
If it's this year only, why is it talking about "reporting periods" going up to 2027?
In the 2026/27 season, the Club will have a maximum Football Earnings deficit of
EUR 0 million for the reporting period ending in 2027 (“2026 Target”)
The "having our house in order = we're now in the clear" bit (to my reading of it anyway) applies from the season after next:
In the 2027/28 season, the Club will comply with the stability requirements (i.e., the
Football Earnings rule), having an aggregate Football Earnings surplus, or an
aggregate Football Earnings deficit within the acceptable deviation with regard to the
reporting periods ending in 2025, 2026 and 2027 (“Final Target”)
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I expect we’ll replace Malen with a central striker that can hold up the ball and also defend. But who is also happy being a sub/rotated
My feelings too.
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Well we still need to meet all the other regulations so we'd still be restricted in what we can do but there's nothing in the ruling to say you must not only maintain a positive balance on transfers into the UEFA squad but you also can't do anything we don't like and if you do we might make up additional restrictions retroactively so we can punish you a bit more, despite you doing everything we asked.
Nothing in either the standard regulations or in the specific judgement they made allows them to add extra requirements down the line. As I said they're already pushing the limits of what they can do by deciding to adjust player transfer values in some circumstances because player values are subjective so what counts as a fair market rate is very difficult to say with any certainty.
There's no talk of "making up additional restrictions retroactively" or "adding extra requirements".
Right now our UEFA restrictions apply unconditionally for this season. The same restrictions apply conditionally for 26/27 and 27/28 (and potentially even 28/29).
As you see it, what do we need to avoid doing this month and in the summer that would make that current conditional punishment turn into an actual punishment?
The ruling gives all the details but the short version is that there were steps to resolution that we need to meet which effectively end up with us operating within the standard regulations for the 2027 reporting year. However the limitations are conditional for 26/27 and 27/28 because if we're operating at that level for the 2025 reporting year then the judgement is satisfied. There is nothing in there to allow for that to change because they don't like the way that we complied with the ruling. That means for them to say "you are in line for every financial regulation we have and you operated within the restrictions we set but we think you were a bit cheeky so we're activating the conditional restrictions" they'd have to create a way for them to basically ignore the rules they've set if it suits them.
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Clause 7 contains the important bit regarding what they are judging us on:
The sporting restriction is foreseen as follows:
• It unconditionally applies in the 2025/26 season;
• It conditionally applies in the 2026/27 season, if the Club has a Football Earnings
deficit in the reporting period 2025;
• It conditionally applies in the 2027/28 season, if the Club exceeds the 2026 Target;
and
• It conditionally applies in the 2028/29 season if the Club exceeds the Final Target
by less than EUR 20 million.
That's the conditions set, they can't change those retrospectively, which is what they'd be doing if they decided the sporting restrictions no longer apply to the UEFA list A squad but actually apply to anyone they decide should be included.
Then clause 8 is the settlement conditions:
8. Compliance with the Settlement Agreement
• The Settlement Agreement shall expire when the CFCB confirms that the Club has reached
compliance with the Football Earnings rule, at the latest at the end of the Settlement Regime.
• Where the Club complies with the Final Target of the Settlement, the Club will be able to exit
the Settlement Regime.
• If the Club demonstrates, to the satisfaction of the CFCB, compliance with Football Earnings
rule on an aggregate basis for the reporting periods ending in 2024, 2025 and 2026, the Club
will be granted an “early” exit from the Settlement Regime and any Sporting Disciplinary
Measures shall cease to apply starting from 2027/28 season
I.E. if we meet the targets set for 27/28 this year then it expires.
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This Jan window looks very different from Jan 25.
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The ruling gives all the details but the short version is that there were steps to resolution that we need to meet which effectively end up with us operating within the standard regulations for the 2027 reporting year.
I've read the ruling. My question was in your reading of it, do you think we need to have a position transfer balance at the end of this window?
My reading of it is that we do, or we risk summer '26 having the same issues as summer '25.
However - if we decided to, we could go and chuck £150m on superstars to win us the league. But then UEFA say that we've not met the requirements of the settlement agreement, the currently conditional punishment becomes unconditional and they don't let us add those superstars to our European squad next season.
Have I got any of that wrong?
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This Jan window looks very different from Jan 25.
Feels similar to the summer window right now, doesn’t it
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We do have to have to have a positive balance don’t we? It applies across this season unconditionally.
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Apologies if this has already been asked/answered as I haven't read the whole thread but didn't Chelsea get a more severe punishment than us, as their offences were deemed more serious than ours, yet they carry on as if nothing has happened while we carry on as paupers with no end in sight to this ongoing bullshit.
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Selling him gives us the chance to sign somebody for up to £29m and still be in a neutral position cost wise for the sanctions.
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Apologies if this has already been asked/answered as I haven't read the whole thread but didn't Chelsea get a more severe punishment than us, as their offences were deemed more serious than ours, yet they carry on as if nothing has happened while we carry on as a paupers with no end in sight to this ongoing bullshit.
Deferred it didn’t they?
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Would be great to get in Tammy, or in case he's a smokescreen, another forward in asap. Like ahead of the Everton game. To state the obvious if we are looking for a goal at the weekend, or Watkins is struggling, Emery turns to be bench to look at Guessand and Sancho. Let's face it that's a big issue. Rogers might have to go up top. With Gallagher turning us down, back to that same duo to cover the wide midfield positions.
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Apologies if this has already been asked/answered as I haven't read the whole thread but didn't Chelsea get a more severe punishment than us, as their offences were deemed more serious than ours, yet they carry on as if nothing has happened while we carry on as a paupers with no end in sight to this ongoing bullshit.
Deferred it didn’t they?
I think they paid a bigger fine to get longer or something ?
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Would be great to get in Tammy, or in case he's a smokescreen, another forward in asap. Like ahead of the Everton game. To state the obvious if we are looking for a goal at the weekend, or Watkins is struggling, Emery turns to be bench to look at Guessand and Sancho. Let's face it that's a big issue. Rogers might have to go up top. With Gallagher turning us down, back to that same duo to cover the wide midfield positions.
Did he turn us down?
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Would be great to get in Tammy, or in case he's a smokescreen, another forward in asap. Like ahead of the Everton game. To state the obvious if we are looking for a goal at the weekend, or Watkins is struggling, Emery turns to be bench to look at Guessand and Sancho. Let's face it that's a big issue. Rogers might have to go up top. With Gallagher turning us down, back to that same duo to cover the wide midfield positions.
We've spread the goals well enough to not have to worry in the short term. May need to do a bit of juggling in the mean time, but they'll have it planned out (you'd hope...).
It's a home fixture against a relatively out of form side. We could do worse.
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Would be great to get in Tammy, or in case he's a smokescreen, another forward in asap. Like ahead of the Everton game. To state the obvious if we are looking for a goal at the weekend, or Watkins is struggling, Emery turns to be bench to look at Guessand and Sancho. Let's face it that's a big issue. Rogers might have to go up top. With Gallagher turning us down, back to that same duo to cover the wide midfield positions.
Did he turn us down?
Sadly, yes. Not good looking enough for our team was the other conclusion.
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I can't believe it's already time to ask this question again: has any club ever used a decoy or smokescreen to hide their real transfer targets, and if so, why do they bother doing that?
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According to TalkSport, gallagher wanted to come to villa but we wanted a loan to buy deal where spurs offered a straight transfer.
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I can't believe it's already time to ask this question again: has any club ever used a decoy or smokescreen to hide their real transfer targets, and if so, why do they bother doing that?
I guess you never find out. But I assume if someone were to do it, it's to pressure the selling club into selling to you.
"We'd like to buy player X from you, but we'll only offer £20m"
"We think he's worth £30m"
"Fine, we're going to go and buy our second choice, player Y from that club over there then as they will sell him to us for £20m"
"Alright, £20m then"
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Would be great to get in Tammy, or in case he's a smokescreen, another forward in asap. Like ahead of the Everton game. To state the obvious if we are looking for a goal at the weekend, or Watkins is struggling, Emery turns to be bench to look at Guessand and Sancho. Let's face it that's a big issue. Rogers might have to go up top. With Gallagher turning us down, back to that same duo to cover the wide midfield positions.
Did he turn us down?
Sadly, yes. Not good looking enough for our team was the other conclusion.
No. It wasn't a straight choice in the end as Spurs did a direct buy and we were doing a loan to buy. Initially both were being offered similar deals when it would have been a straight choice.
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Would be great to get in Tammy, or in case he's a smokescreen, another forward in asap. Like ahead of the Everton game. To state the obvious if we are looking for a goal at the weekend, or Watkins is struggling, Emery turns to be bench to look at Guessand and Sancho. Let's face it that's a big issue. Rogers might have to go up top. With Gallagher turning us down, back to that same duo to cover the wide midfield positions.
Did he turn us down?
Sadly, yes. Not good looking enough for our team was the other conclusion.
No. It wasn't a straight choice in the end as Spurs did a direct buy and we were doing a loan to buy. Initially both were being offered similar deals when it would have been a straight choice.
He could have kicked up and said he was only interested in going to Villa or staying in Madrid. Seemed to me he was keener on almost guaranteed starts for a crap Spurs team rather than fighting for his spot with us. No doubt Madrid/Spurs threw some extra cash to sweeten the deal for him but he's not a slave. Anyway, on to the next one.
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If we had offered Athletic the same deal as Spurs we would have got him.
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Selling him gives us the chance to sign somebody for up to £29m and still be in a neutral position cost wise for the sanctions.
Even though he wasn’t in the CL squad last year?
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The ruling gives all the details but the short version is that there were steps to resolution that we need to meet which effectively end up with us operating within the standard regulations for the 2027 reporting year.
I've read the ruling. My question was in your reading of it, do you think we need to have a position transfer balance at the end of this window?
My reading of it is that we do, or we risk summer '26 having the same issues as summer '25.
However - if we decided to, we could go and chuck £150m on superstars to win us the league. But then UEFA say that we've not met the requirements of the settlement agreement, the currently conditional punishment becomes unconditional and they don't let us add those superstars to our European squad next season.
Have I got any of that wrong?
Yes, you have, again clause 7 and 8 explain what the sporting sanction conditions are and what the settlement criteria is and what you're suggesting isn't covered so they can't do it.
We do need to have a positive transfer balance for this window but that only applies to the UEFA list A squad, it is stated very clearly as such:
The Club agrees to be subject to a sporting restriction and, as a consequence, may not
register any new player on its List A to UEFA club competitions unless the List A Transfer
Balance is positive.
• The List A Transfer Balance is defined as the difference between the cost savings from
outgoing players (“Cost savings”) and the new costs from incoming players (“New costs”) at
any applicable deadline for the Club’s submission of its List A.
There is no way for them to change that to include players that we don't register for that squad.
We do also need to ensure that whatever business we do doesn't cause us problems for the 2026 reporting year so £150m on superstarts with the wages and signing fees to match is probably out of our range but a couple of players for £30-40m each might well be reasonable, it dependson how the turnover is looking and our data for that is 18months out of date now.
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If we had offered Athletic the same deal as Spurs we would have got him.
Maybe. It appears though that we offered a lesser deal but loan with obligation that Atletico accepted and so did the player. That is until Spurs came in at the last minute prompted by Bentancur being out for the season, offered more up front and the player decided it was a better career move to be at Spurs and in London. So even if we could have upped and matched the personal side of it, being close to family, and the chance to start more games likely ends in the same result.
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Selling him gives us the chance to sign somebody for up to £29m and still be in a neutral position cost wise for the sanctions.
Even though he wasn’t in the CL squad last year?
Yes, because he was added to the squad this year, with his cost (both amortised fee and wages) being absorbed by the savings fees/saving on Ramsey, Bailey, Rashford and Asensio, with enough spare to pay for Guessand, Elliott and Sancho.
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If we had offered Athletic the same deal as Spurs we would have got him.
Maybe. It appears though that we offered a lesser deal but loan with obligation that Atletico accepted and so did the player. That is until Spurs came in at the last minute prompted by Bentancur being out for the season, offered more up front and the player decided it was a better career move to be at Spurs and in London. So even if we could have upped and matched the personal side of it, being close to family, and the chance to start more games likely ends in the same result.
They offered to buy him, we offered a loan to buy.
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Gotcha. Thank you.
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If we had offered Athletic the same deal as Spurs we would have got him.
Maybe. It appears though that we offered a lesser deal but loan with obligation that Atletico accepted and so did the player. That is until Spurs came in at the last minute prompted by Bentancur being out for the season, offered more up front and the player decided it was a better career move to be at Spurs and in London. So even if we could have upped and matched the personal side of it, being close to family, and the chance to start more games likely ends in the same result.
They offered to buy him, we offered a loan to buy.
Yes and our track record in that kind of deal is a bit tarnished at the moment
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We do also need to ensure that whatever business we do doesn't cause us problems for the 2026 reporting year so £150m on superstarts with the wages and signing fees to match is probably out of our range but a couple of players for £30-40m each might well be reasonable, it dependson how the turnover is looking and our data for that is 18months out of date now.
Cool, well I look forward to those couple of £30m signings then. Because if your reading is correct, there's no plausible reason we wouldn't do it.
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Deloitte Report is usually out within the next 10 days that will help update those Turnover numbers with some confidence.
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Deloitte Report is usually out within the next 10 days that will help update those Turnover numbers with some confidence.
It used to be fixture lists and FA cup draws that created the anticipation in football circles - game has gone mental
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We do also need to ensure that whatever business we do doesn't cause us problems for the 2026 reporting year so £150m on superstarts with the wages and signing fees to match is probably out of our range but a couple of players for £30-40m each might well be reasonable, it dependson how the turnover is looking and our data for that is 18months out of date now.
Cool, well I look forward to those couple of £30m signings then. Because if your reading is correct, there's no plausible reason we wouldn't do it.
Does seem odd we didn’t do that with Gallagher if that’s accurate.
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On transfers - there has to be a cunning plan, please tell me there is a cunning plan.............this fantastic season start could wither and die if we get this wrong.
Malen - Gone (not too fussed if we have a more specialised player coming in)
Sancho - Not sure if he ever is going to be good enough
Guessand - As Sancho
Elliot - we have spoke about him since the day he joined yet are no closer to a conclusion - surely Liverpool will push us till the final day which won't help
Allyson - Maybe he might make the bench at some point - has he even trained with 1st team yet?
I have faith in Unai and the club but surely there is a point where SUE just gets frustrated beyond repair with all this PSR / SCR bullshit
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There is a cunning plan.
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Deloitte Report is usually out within the next 10 days that will help update those Turnover numbers with some confidence.
Percy's on the case. As soon as it drops, his night-shift productivity will fall through the floor and his poor colleague Brian will have to pick up the slack. I wish I didn't notice these things.
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Having spaffed £34m on Gallagher and £13m on leftback Souza from Santos, Spurs are said to be looking at a £52m bid for Brahim Diaz (Real & Morocco.
Total £99m.
Deduct the £35m they got from Palace for Brennan Johnson and that's £64m net spend.
Meantime, we're scratching around down the back of the sofa for loose change and selling The Don to raise transfer monies.
Welcome to the world of PSR/SCR.
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There is a cunning plan.
I’m pretty relaxed. I’m confident the club has a plan because we’ve been run brilliantly recently.
It might not come off but there’s zero chance we’re sleep walking into this situation.
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That Brahim Diaz has always looked super-lightweight when I've seen him, he'd fit in well at Spurs.
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Having spaffed £34m on Gallagher and £13m on leftback Souza from Santos, Spurs are said to be looking at a £52m bid for Brahim Diaz (Real & Morocco.
Total £99m.
Deduct the £35m they got from Palace for Brennan Johnson and that's £64m net spend.
Meantime, we're scratching around down the back of the sofa for loose change and selling The Don to raise transfer monies.
Welcome to the world of PSR/SCR.
The stadium generates £5m per game. Ours doesn’t.
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Having spaffed £34m on Gallagher and £13m on leftback Souza from Santos, Spurs are said to be looking at a £52m bid for Brahim Diaz (Real & Morocco.
Total £99m.
Deduct the £35m they got from Palace for Brennan Johnson and that's £64m net spend.
Meantime, we're scratching around down the back of the sofa for loose change and selling The Don to raise transfer monies.
Welcome to the world of PSR/SCR.
But we know that’s not the case,
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Chelsea have spent £1B on players ...gone to shit...potted the manager
UTD spent big on Sesko, Mbuemo and Cunha...and a new goalkeeper....potted the manager
Liverpool spent £300M on strikers....gone backwards
I'm confident we'll replace Malen, and have a funny feeling Alysson may get some game time.
If we don't replace Malen, and Watkins gets crocked, we are in dickies meadow
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We do also need to ensure that whatever business we do doesn't cause us problems for the 2026 reporting year so £150m on superstarts with the wages and signing fees to match is probably out of our range but a couple of players for £30-40m each might well be reasonable, it dependson how the turnover is looking and our data for that is 18months out of date now.
Cool, well I look forward to those couple of £30m signings then. Because if your reading is correct, there's no plausible reason we wouldn't do it.
Unless Emery doesn't want to do a Malen to players.
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A few points from Tanswell on 1874:
Gallagher/Tammy interest massively driven by Emery. Tammy's wages make the deal more difficult. Other targets likely known to PL already.
Significant interest in Bogarde but club is highly unlikely to let him go this window.
Tanswell 'thinks' 2 or 3 likely to come through the door before window closes.
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What does this bit mean;
“Other targets likely known to PL already.”
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What does this bit mean;
“Other targets likely known to PL already.”
I assume previously played here ie. Kean?
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Tammy in pure playing ability terms is an okish back up. If he’s on high wages it’s a ridiculous signing.
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Tammy in pure playing ability terms is an okish back up. If he’s on high wages it’s a ridiculous signing.
Got a whiff of cutting our nose off to spite the face.
Move proven adequate stand in on to bring in adequate has been stand in. Having said that, if Emery's seen something in his play then who are we to argue.
Needs to get it right now though. The Monchi umbrella is no longer there to guard him from transfer mistakes.
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Tammy in pure playing ability terms is an okish back up. If he’s on high wages it’s a ridiculous signing.
Got a whiff of cutting our nose off to spite the face.
Move proven adequate stand in on to bring in adequate has been stand in. Having said that, if Emery's seen something in his play then who are we to argue.
Needs to get it right now though. The Monchi umbrella is no longer there to guard him from transfer mistakes.
Malen wants to go to get more minutes on the pitch.
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I get that and if a player wants out then they should go, but could have quite easily said that he's free to go in the Summer. With all the football there is to play over the next few months he'd have gotten more starts then he had the lighter side of the season.
I know the World Cup is a massive factor, but still. Not like he spends game after game on the bench.
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Wtf is Dickie's Meadow ?
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What does this bit mean;
“Other targets likely known to PL already.”
My initials are PL. I feel very reassured that our targets are known to me.
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What does this bit mean;
“Other targets likely known to PL already.”
My initials are PL. I feel very reassured that our targets are known to me.
Think people have missed the obvious - we've brought Paul Lambert back in as new Chief Scout.
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As a club, now is the time we need to push on.
Please don't mess this up Villa.
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Tammy in pure playing ability terms is an okish back up. If he’s on high wages it’s a ridiculous signing.
Got a whiff of cutting our nose off to spite the face.
Move proven adequate stand in on to bring in adequate has been stand in. Having said that, if Emery's seen something in his play then who are we to argue.
Needs to get it right now though. The Monchi umbrella is no longer there to guard him from transfer mistakes.
Malen wants to go to get more minutes on the pitch.
If it is the case as reported, as Garyth said earlier on the club being flexible and helping the player, who has been first class in terms of attitude given the Champions League squad issue and lack of starts, is only going to benefit us going forward in making us an attractive, low risk move, as long as there's no obligation to buy.
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I'm clinging on to the thought that one of the reasons Malen wants out, more exposure in a WC year, might mean other, better players are also looking for opportunities in a team at the top end of the highest profile league in the world.
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I'm clinging on to the thought that one of the reasons Malen wants out, more exposure in a WC year, might mean other, better players are also looking for opportunities in a team at the top end of the highest profile league in the world.
We might not be in a strong position financially, but there are a number of reasons for any prospective signing to join, it's not a hard sell.
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Harvey Elliot anyone? Heard he’s an ok’ish number 10
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Harvey Elliot anyone? Heard he’s an ok’ish number 10
Billy Elliot would get more minutes..ffs
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Tammy in pure playing ability terms is an okish back up. If he’s on high wages it’s a ridiculous signing.
A six month loan to see us through to the end of the season I could live with but buying him would be like us preparing for the Conference League rather than the Champions League.
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What does this bit mean;
“Other targets likely known to PL already.”
Paul Lambert. We’re back into young and hungry mode.
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Deloitte Report is usually out within the next 10 days that will help update those Turnover numbers with some confidence.
Percy's on the case. As soon as it drops, his night-shift productivity will fall through the floor and his poor colleague Brian will have to pick up the slack. I wish I didn't notice these things.
Haha! It’ll probably drop in the daytime and I won’t see it til I wake up.
Prediction: 13th.
Revenue: £360m/€400m.
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as long as we dont meet Malen in the europa final :)
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Which we obviously will.
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I do think one thing we can take away from the transfer window is just how ruthless (in a good way) Unai is.
He has resisted playing Elliott, prepared to sell Malen (out of the blue), refuses to take Bailey back and appears to be willing to allow Guessand to go.
The guy know what he wants !!!!!!
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Guessand going ? our new centre forward ??
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Tammy in pure playing ability terms is an okish back up. If he’s on high wages it’s a ridiculous signing.
A six month loan to see us through to the end of the season I could live with but buying him would be like us preparing for the Conference League rather than the Champions League.
Agree. We would have situation in a year or so where we’d need to shift Tammy and Watkins to create the space/wages to sign our first choice striker. Whoever we sign must have the potential to be Ollie’s successor, not just a six month fix (unless a loan).
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I do think one thing we can take away from the transfer window is just how ruthless (in a good way) Unai is.
He has resisted playing Elliott, prepared to sell Malen (out of the blue), refuses to take Bailey back and appears to be willing to allow Guessand to go.
The guy know what he wants !!!!!!
Kinda indicates, he doesn’t
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When is the Joe Bryan deal going through?
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When is the Joe Bryan deal going through?
..after David Unsworth is finalised...just need the OK from his Mrs...
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Just seen the name Souza mentioned….ain’t we sign a left back by that name from arsenal…..what happened to him??
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Tammy in pure playing ability terms is an okish back up. If he’s on high wages it’s a ridiculous signing.
Got a whiff of cutting our nose off to spite the face.
Move proven adequate stand in on to bring in adequate has been stand in. Having said that, if Emery's seen something in his play then who are we to argue.
Needs to get it right now though. The Monchi umbrella is no longer there to guard him from transfer mistakes.
Malen wants to go to get more minutes on the pitch.
No real guarantee he gets more at Roma, he's been getting plenty of minutes with us across all comps. Wants to play more as a 9 but Emery does see it. I'm on Emery's side for this one. Recruitment at the top end of the pitch has been abysmal since Rogers came in. Can't afford another dud.
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Just seen the name Souza mentioned….ain’t we sign a left back by that name from arsenal…..what happened to him??
On loan at Bristol Rovers. One of x20-something players we’ve got out on loan.
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Just seen the name Souza mentioned….ain’t we sign a left back by that name from arsenal…..what happened to him??
On loan at Bristol Rovers. One of x20-something players we’ve got out on loan.
That was last season
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When is the Joe Bryan deal going through?
He’s been stuck in the Belfry for years, poor bloke
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Villa plane in Lyon today, so says the spotters.
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Who is in Lyon ?
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We need Big Ron on the pitch pre-Everton game to announce a new striker coming in.
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We need Big Ron on the pitch pre-Everton game to announce a new striker coming in.
We are doing everything we can to Get Dean
Sanders !!
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Who is in Lyon ?
Kings of
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"We need Big Ron on the pitch pre-Everton game to announce a new striker coming in."
wearing sunglasses!
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Who is in Lyon ?
No one. It's just picking up some fresh andouillettes for the BMH canteen.
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We need Big Ron on the pitch pre-Everton game to announce a new striker coming in.
We are doing everything we can to Get Dean
Sanders !!
..The Colonol..?
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We need Big Ron on the pitch pre-Everton game to announce a new striker coming in.
We are doing everything we can to Get Dean
Sanders !!
..The Colonol..?
Ron called him Sanders for some reason 🤔
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Villa plane in Lyon today, so says the spotters.
Malen is on a plane with the kid from Marseille. Wonder if the Villa plane was simply dropping him in Lyon.
However, if it wants to smuggle Malick Fofana back I would be pleasantly surprised.
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442 have repeated the Ferran Torres links this evening. He's the sort of player I could understand us clearing the deck for, and would be excellent in an Emery team I think.
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Like last season, i think we are working on something that will make everyone think that we are going for it.
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High wages and high fee, so can’t see it. Is he actually good? Genuine question - I know he’s been at big clubs, but he’s been pretty bit part hasn’t he?
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High wages and high fee, so can’t see it. Is he actually good? Genuine question - I know he’s been at big clubs, but he’s been pretty bit part hasn’t he?
Ive only seen him in the odd game on tv and looks decent, its also like do you play for Barcelona without be handy?
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Ferran Torres is he better than Malen?
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Who is in Lyon ?
Real Madrid's young Brazilian striker Endrick. He turned us down in favour of Lyon. We've probably stopped there to ring his door bell whilst setting fire to a brown paper bag.
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Ferran Torres is he better than Malen?
Loads
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Who is in Lyon ?
No one. It's just picking up some fresh andouillettes for the BMH canteen.
"Beat Everton or this is your breakfast Monday morning".
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Just seen the name Souza mentioned….ain’t we sign a left back by that name from arsenal…..what happened to him??
On loan at Bristol Rovers. One of x20-something players we’ve got out on loan.
Thanks!
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Who is in Lyon ?
can only think of Maitland-Niles
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Ferran Torres is he better than Malen?
Guardiola said he was the best finisher at Man City.
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442 have repeated the Ferran Torres links this evening. He's the sort of player I could understand us clearing the deck for, and would be excellent in an Emery team I think.
Me too. If the reports are true it's a £52m take it or leave it offer. He can play down the middle or out wide, hard working..oh and he's clinical, Barca's top scorer this season, they need the money but can they win La Liga without him? I guess we'll soon find out.
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*Checks to see if there is a Ferran Torres thread.*
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Aren't they paying him like €250k a week? That's a hell of an outlay, even if we have the 52m kicking about somewhere.
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Checked out Wikipedia on Lyon, not many players I have heard of to be honest
Tolisso is decent
However, I like the sound of the Spanish Sean Beans lad (if you know what I mean 😁)
Afonso Bastardo Moreira
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Aren't they paying him like €250k a week? That's a hell of an outlay, even if we have the 52m kicking about somewhere.
Maybe why we needed Malen off the books then?
I dunno, it’s a kind of “believe it when I see it” link for me, but if we were going for that calibre of player then getting rid of Malen whilst his stock is relatively high would make an awful lot of sense.
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We need Big Ron on the pitch pre-Everton game to announce a new striker coming in.
We are doing everything we can to Get Dean
Sanders !!
..The Colonol..?
Ron called him Sanders for some reason 🤔
It’s a Brummie of a certain age thing. Our Dad pronounced Ron Saunders’ name exactly the same, and also our nextdoor-but one neighbour when I was a little kid in Kingshurst (another Saunders obvs.)
Phonetically -Sarnders.
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Checked out Wikipedia on Lyon, not many players I have heard of to be honest
Tolisso is decent
However, I like the sound of the Spanish Sean Beans lad (if you know what I mean 😁)
Afonso Bastardo Moreira
Never heard of the guy before, but I’m now utterly convinced we need to get him in the team. He should also be like one of those Brazilian players but instead of having a shit name like Allan, he could just be “Bastardo”
(no offence to any Allan’s, it’s a perfectly reasonable name - just not for a Brazilian centre forward)
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We need Big Ron on the pitch pre-Everton game to announce a new striker coming in.
We are doing everything we can to Get Dean
Sanders !!
..The Colonol..?
Ron called him Sanders for some reason 🤔
It’s a Brummie of a certain age thing. Our Dad pronounced Ron Saunders’ name exactly the same, and also our nextdoor-but one neighbour when I was a little kid in Kingshurst (another Saunders obvs.)
Phonetically -Sarnders.
Didn’t know , that is interesting
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We’ve been linked with Ferran Torres every window since Unai arrived. I’d love to see this come off.
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Aren't they paying him like €250k a week? That's a hell of an outlay, even if we have the 52m kicking about somewhere.
Maybe why we needed Malen off the books then?
I dunno, it’s a kind of “believe it when I see it” link for me, but if we were going for that calibre of player then getting rid of Malen whilst his stock is relatively high would make an awful lot of sense.
Aye, agreed. Theyre too thin up front for me to believe it. Any sane club waits until the Summer, but this isn't a sane club, so...
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Whenever the conversation gets to Ferran Torres in a TW thread you know it's time to lock up and go home.
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Whenever the conversation gets to Ferran Torres in a TW thread you know it's time to lock up and go home.
Let me have this one chief, been a rough week.
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Better a TW thread and not a TV thread…..eh TV ?
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Just playing Devil's Advocate, but what is the reason Torres comes to Villa, when Real are in a mess and he could win the league with Barca..? Are we going to pay more than Barca?
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Better a TW thread and not a TV thread…..eh TV ?
LOL sometimes mate. Then again I’ve delivered some gold signings. Just a risk when I kick it off if you want to come along for the journey.
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No chance Torres comes. Too expensive, too high wages.
Abraham might if he takes a decent wage.
Beyond that we are hamstrung with FFP.
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Just playing Devil's Advocate, but what is the reason Torres comes to Villa, when Real are in a mess and he could win the league with Barca..? Are we going to pay more than Barca?
Cus we're fucking massive mate, haven't you heard? We sell forwards with no back up for laughs.
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We need Big Ron on the pitch pre-Everton game to announce a new striker coming in.
We are doing everything we can to Get Dean
Sanders !!
..The Colonol..?
Ron called him Sanders for some reason 🤔
That always made me laugh. Why did Big Ron do it?
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Better a TW thread and not a TV thread…..eh TV ?
LOL sometimes mate. Then again I’ve delivered some gold signings. Just a risk when I kick it off if you want to come along for the journey.
I’ve got your back buddy….you start it, I’ll add a comment………………eventually ;-)
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No chance Torres comes. Too expensive, too high wages.
Abraham might if he takes a decent wage.
Beyond that we are hamstrung with FFP.
Tanswell told Bardwell today that our Tammy alternatives are of a similar quality. Nothing gobsmacking, unsurprisingly.
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We need Big Ron on the pitch pre-Everton game to announce a new striker coming in.
We are doing everything we can to Get Dean
Sanders !!
..The Colonol..?
Ron called him Sanders for some reason 🤔
That always made me laugh. Why did Big Ron do it?
Bit like Doug pronouncing to the Prem in Premier League' like the prem in premium.
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We need Big Ron on the pitch pre-Everton game to announce a new striker coming in.
We are doing everything we can to Get Dean
Sanders !!
..The Colonol..?
Ron called him Sanders for some reason 🤔
That always made me laugh. Why did Big Ron do it?
It was to force Ellis into actually doing it as he was as ever twatting about with the negotiation.
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We need Big Ron on the pitch pre-Everton game to announce a new striker coming in.
We are doing everything we can to Get Dean
Sanders !!
..The Colonol..?
Ron called him Sanders for some reason 🤔
That always made me laugh. Why did Big Ron do it?
Why did he go to the World Cup for a month and come back with John bloody Fashanu?
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If the Moise Kean rumours are true, he would look like a very promising option. Looks like he'd very much suit our style, certainly more than Malen or Abraham.
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We need Big Ron on the pitch pre-Everton game to announce a new striker coming in.
We are doing everything we can to Get Dean
Sanders !!
..The Colonol..?
Ron called him Sanders for some reason 🤔
That always made me laugh. Why did Big Ron do it?
Why did he go to the World Cup for a month and come back with John bloody Fashanu?
and Ni Lampty 💪
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If the Moise Kean rumours are true, he would look like a very promising option. Looks like he'd very much suit our style, certainly more than Malen or Abraham.
I think this will be the deal that gets done. Again, someone deemed a failure in the EPL with a point to prove. Perfect
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We need Big Ron on the pitch pre-Everton game to announce a new striker coming in.
We are doing everything we can to Get Dean
Sanders !!
..The Colonol..?
Ron called him Sanders for some reason 🤔
That always made me laugh. Why did Big Ron do it?
It was to force Ellis into actually doing it as he was as ever twatting about with the negotiation.
I should have clarified; I meant the pronunciation.
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We need Big Ron on the pitch pre-Everton game to announce a new striker coming in.
We are doing everything we can to Get Dean
Sanders !!
..The Colonol..?
Ron called him Sanders for some reason 🤔
That always made me laugh. Why did Big Ron do it?
Why did he go to the World Cup for a month and come back with John bloody Fashanu?
I thought we signed him from Wimbledon as he was always a threat against us. Didn’t realise Ron just brought him back with him after a month in America. Must have been a shock to the family Fash.
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Checked out Wikipedia on Lyon, not many players I have heard of to be honest
Malick Fofana is the one Lyon player who goes on to a big, fancy club in the next twelve months.
Fun winger, a hundred games for Gent and Lyon at age 20, already in the full Belgium squad.
If Unai is asking the current squad as well as Juan Mata about good attackers to add, I expect Onana and Tielemans would be chucking his name out there.
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We need Big Ron on the pitch pre-Everton game to announce a new striker coming in.
We are doing everything we can to Get Dean
Sanders !!
..The Colonol..?
Ron called him Sanders for some reason 🤔
That always made me laugh. Why did Big Ron do it?
Why did he go to the World Cup for a month and come back with John bloody Fashanu?
I thought we signed him from Wimbledon as he was always a threat against us. Didn’t realise Ron just brought him back with him after a month in America. Must have been a shock to the family Fash.
Big Ron adopted him.. Doing Madonna things before Madonna
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Checked out Wikipedia on Lyon, not many players I have heard of to be honest
Malick Fofana is the one Lyon player who goes on to a big, fancy club in the next twelve months.
Fun winger, a hundred games for Gent and Lyon at age 20, already in the full Belgium squad.
He was mentioned earlier on X. He suffered a serious ankle sprain with ligament damage at the end of October, had surgery on it, and is not expected to be fit for another 3-6 weeks.
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No chance Torres comes. Too expensive, too high wages.
Abraham might if he takes a decent wage.
Beyond that we are hamstrung with FFP.
Tanswell told Bardwell today that our Tammy alternatives are of a similar quality. Nothing gobsmacking, unsurprisingly.
While all that may come to pass I'm not sure Vidagany will be tipping off even semi respectful journos about our true targets until it's pretty much in the bag.
I'd imagine the Gallagher leak has made them even more determined to maintain some professional distance.
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BTW: It's nice to see our ex pros (they've monumentally pebbledashed the opportunity of being called legends a long time ago) Yorke and Collymore encouraging Yanited and the Redscouse to go for our manager and one of our best players respectively. ::) ::) ::)
Yorke I sort of get, with the stick we gave him after leaving. He obv didn't help himself with his comments when he joined the tramps down the road. And I think he genuinely still feels miffed that we never offered him the manager's job despite multiple unsolicited applications.
But Collywobbles used to ham it up when he commentated on our games for a time, cheering when he was with the national broadcaster. Maybe it was just his attempt to still appear hip and street and cool.
Like Rod Liddle supporting Millwall.
As Mark Waugh might say about the pair of 'em, they're just ex players.
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Collymore always seem to come across as trying to hard to convince
me he is. Villa fan
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Why did he go to the World Cup for a month and come back with John bloody Fashanu?
I thought we signed him from Wimbledon as he was always a threat against us. Didn’t realise Ron just brought him back with him after a month in America. Must have been a shock to the family Fash.
As Fash tells it, he was over there doing commentary for Nigerian TV.
He always liked BFR, and recommended a few Nigerian players for Villa from that squad. Ron then enquired about Fash the Bash's availability instead.
He was close to 32 at the time, close to semi retirement and more focused on his Gladiator TV nonsense. But couldn't look a gift horse in the mouth.
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Wasn’t Gladiators filmed in Brum too ?
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It was, aye.
A no brainer for Kung Fu Fash.
I remember him tenderising the Everton back four and even getting a goal on his debut away to Everton in 1994.
Whilst still somehow looking rubbish, like he'd only taken football up two years previously.
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If the Moise Kean rumours are true, he would look like a very promising option. Looks like he'd very much suit our style, certainly more than Malen or Abraham.
Watched him a few times for Fiorentina last season amd thought at the time, that he'd suit our style perfectly.
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Did he appear on Gladiators while playing for Villa?
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Did he appear on Gladiators while playing for Villa?
In his full kit do you mean? Like, he left a game to go straight to gladiators?
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I think Collymore can still be a Villa fan while giving his opinion about what Liverpool could do to cure their ills (i.e his suggestion of signing Konsa for a good price due to our PSR/SCR handcuffs).
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Probably just the internet echo chamber but seen a few links to Dani Ceballos at Real Madrid - another one we seem to be linked with every window. He does seem to be out of favour there though.
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Why did he go to the World Cup for a month and come back with John bloody Fashanu?
I thought we signed him from Wimbledon as he was always a threat against us. Didn’t realise Ron just brought him back with him after a month in America. Must have been a shock to the family Fash.
As Fash tells it, he was over there doing commentary for Nigerian TV.
He always liked BFR, and recommended a few Nigerian players for Villa from that squad. Ron then enquired about Fash the Bash's availability instead.
He was close to 32 at the time, close to semi retirement and more focused on his Gladiator TV nonsense. But couldn't look a gift horse in the mouth.
I went on a lads trip to Ireland in the summer of 94, when I was 20. Festival in Tipperary then few days in Dublin. One of the lads was sick and could only meet us belatedly in Dublin. I will never forget him arriving in Dublin and saying ‘guess who spurs have signed…..only Jurgen bloody Klinsman’….followed by ‘guess who Villa have signed…..John Fashenu’. Groans, howls of laughter depending on who the lads supported. A moment for the ages.
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Probably just the internet echo chamber but seen a few links to Dani Ceballos at Real Madrid - another one we seem to be linked with every window. He does seem to be out of favour there though.
Would be a very decent signing to cover midfield injuries. If we could keep Onana and Barkley fit we'd be ok but those two only have to see the grass to get an injury.
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I'm kind of disappointed we didn't get Gallagher but I have no idea why. I couldn't see that we needed another midfield player but the combination of Unai wanting him and Spudz pissing us off has me has created disappointment. I'm sure I'll get over it when our next target becomes known!
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Probably just the internet echo chamber but seen a few links to Dani Ceballos at Real Madrid - another one we seem to be linked with every window. He does seem to be out of favour there though.
Would be a very decent signing to cover midfield injuries. If we could keep Onana and Barkley fit we'd be ok but those two only have to see the grass to get an injury.
Kamara too, he’s never that far off an injury.
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I'm kind of disappointed we didn't get Gallagher but I have no idea why. I couldn't see that we needed another midfield player but the combination of Unai wanting him and Spudz pissing us off has me has created disappointment. I'm sure I'll get over it when our next target becomes known!
We have a lot of options there but onana and kamara gets injured alot. What gallagher gives you is energy he i a real work horse and rarely gets injured. Can see the appeal in him. I think he would have been mcginns long term replacement
Good age too.
However he wont be difference for 4th and 5th in my opinion.
We need a striker and i feel a right back more. We may need to look at left back soon too as i think dogne might be moved on
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Brian Madjo was scouted by Unai Emery's first team rather than seen as an emerging talent, and could form part of avfc's first team. Emery likes him, he will get a few training sessions to see if he will be a part of matchday squads soon.
Alysson has impressed in training and is expected to be in matchday squads soon for #avfc's first team.
Tanswell
Such good news. Could be a very cheap fix to what has proven to be an extremely expensive problem
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Brian Madjo was scouted by Unai Emery's first team rather than seen as an emerging talent, and could form part of avfc's first team. Emery likes him, he will get a few training sessions to see if he will be a part of matchday squads soon.
Alysson has impressed in training and is expected to be in matchday squads soon for #avfc's first team.
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Such good news. Could be a very cheap fix to what has proven to be an extremely expensive problem
Imagine Unai goes with these and doesn’t buy anyone else of note this window.
No, me neither
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Whilst the stories about Alysson and Madjo seem very positive, are people seriously thinking that a couple of kids with no experience at this level are going to have a inpact on our charge for the top of the premier league or late stages of a European competition.
It’s good the news is positive, but let’s have some realistic expectations for them.
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Not at all, but it's at least better then seeing them booted straight out to a league one side for a year.
I'll take any positives after yesterday.
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Whilst the stories about Alysson and Madjo seem very positive, are people seriously thinking that a couple of kids with no experience at this level are going to have a inpact on our charge for the top of the premier league or late stages of a European competition.
It’s good the news is positive, but let’s have some realistic expectations for them.
Didn't we sign a kid from Middlesbrough, that nobody noticed in the cup game, that did exactly that?
Not that I don't want additional quality or as much of it as we can get, but its possible we may have signed a new pair of Morgans, which would be nice.
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Incredibly wishful thinking to hope a 16 year old is going to be Ollies back up.
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Whilst the stories about Alysson and Madjo seem very positive, are people seriously thinking that a couple of kids with no experience at this level are going to have a inpact on our charge for the top of the premier league or late stages of a European competition.
It’s good the news is positive, but let’s have some realistic expectations for them.
Didn't we sign a kid from Middlesbrough, that nobody noticed in the cup game, that did exactly that?
Not that I don't want additional quality or as much of it as we can get, but its possible we may have signed a new pair of Morgans, which would be nice.
Has anyone seen a picture of Alyson and Morgan in the same frame yet? Looks like a clone.
We all know Emery is very tactically formulaic, any player that comes in and shows the footballing OQ to take instruction and play in his structure will get considered I think. Young players can add energy and unpredictability when you need a breakthrough too, so they could be really useful. Still need a proper Ollie alternative and a proper winger before the window is out.
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Incredibly wishful thinking to hope a 16 year old is going to be Ollies back up.
It’s ok, he’s just turned 1
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Incredibly wishful thinking to hope a 16 year old is going to be Ollies back up.
It’s ok, he’s just turned 1
Bloody Hell, imagine how tall he is going to be when he hits double figures.
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🚨 Sheffield United have made an enquiry to sign Ross Barkley on loan.
@SportsPeteO
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🚨 Sheffield United have made an enquiry to sign Ross Barkley on loan.
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ERRR He is injured isnt he ?
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On a number of levels that makes no sense.
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Its a click bait account that from Football Insider.
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If he's going anywhere it'll be the dog heads. Edwards loves him and he'll be a great asset to have if/when they go down.
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If he's going anywhere it'll be the dog heads. Edwards loves him and he'll be a great asset to have if/when they go down.
Swap him for one of their Gomes’. The good one.
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🚨 Sheffield United have made an enquiry to sign Ross Barkley on loan.
@SportsPeteO
ERRR He is injured isnt he ?
Ssshhhhhhhh
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Wouldn't want him gone this window anyway. Too much utility going into a congested period, even if he is out for another few weeks.
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Why did he go to the World Cup for a month and come back with John bloody Fashanu?
I thought we signed him from Wimbledon as he was always a threat against us. Didn’t realise Ron just brought him back with him after a month in America. Must have been a shock to the family Fash.
As Fash tells it, he was over there doing commentary for Nigerian TV.
He always liked BFR, and recommended a few Nigerian players for Villa from that squad. Ron then enquired about Fash the Bash's availability instead.
He was close to 32 at the time, close to semi retirement and more focused on his Gladiator TV nonsense. But couldn't look a gift horse in the mouth.
Signing Fashanu when we already had Saunders, Atkinson, Yorke, Fenton, was Guy Whittingham still with us then?
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Why did he go to the World Cup for a month and come back with John bloody Fashanu?
I thought we signed him from Wimbledon as he was always a threat against us. Didn’t realise Ron just brought him back with him after a month in America. Must have been a shock to the family Fash.
As Fash tells it, he was over there doing commentary for Nigerian TV.
He always liked BFR, and recommended a few Nigerian players for Villa from that squad. Ron then enquired about Fash the Bash's availability instead.
He was close to 32 at the time, close to semi retirement and more focused on his Gladiator TV nonsense. But couldn't look a gift horse in the mouth.
Signing Fashanu when we already had Saunders, Atkinson, Yorke, Fenton, was Guy Whittingham still with us then?
Then trying to sign cole from
Bristol on the day Big Ron got the sack 😳😃
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The thing to remember with a lot of the transfers we might see going out is that we're only able to name 21 players in the list a squad and we had 22 we'd like to include so Barkley is the one who missed out (but is now in as cover for Mings). Elliott likely being taken off the list meant we were looking at 1 in 1 out for that so Malen gives us space for 1.
Despite both being young enough Alysson and Madjo aren't eligible for the B squad as they need to be with us for 2 years for that so just to add them we'd need 1 more out (but I suspect the current plan is to leave them off the list).
Of course we could decide to leave Barkley off the list again and add 2 more, which I suspect is the plan given we seem to be linked with a lot of midfielders and strikers.
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Tammy Abraham has opened doors to Aston Villa move as personal terms are not an issue.
Villa, working on new striker after Malen left to join AS Roma — no agreement or deal done yet with Besiktas.
Fabrizio Romano
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If the Moise Kean rumours are true, he would look like a very promising option. Looks like he'd very much suit our style, certainly more than Malen or Abraham.
Watched him a few times for Fiorentina last season amd thought at the time, that he'd suit our style perfectly.
The same Moise Kean who scored 2 goals in 30-odd appearances for Everton? Yes, he was only 19/20/21 at the time, but it's not like he looked like a threat when he was in the Premier League previously. He's done okay elsewhere, and very well in the last 18 months for Fiorentina - but he doesn't feel close to the sort of signings we made last January.
However, in Unai we trust...
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Tammy Abraham has opened doors to Aston Villa move as personal terms are not an issue.
Villa, working on new striker after Malen left to join AS Roma — no agreement or deal done yet with Besiktas.
Fabrizio Romano
Wouldn't we be dealing with Roma?
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Tammy Abraham has opened doors to Aston Villa move as personal terms are not an issue.
Villa, working on new striker after Malen left to join AS Roma — no agreement or deal done yet with Besiktas.
Fabrizio Romano
Wouldn't we be dealing with Roma?
I think Besiktas has loaned Tammy with either a "right to" or "obligation to" buy him in the summer at an agreed rate (£11m I think). Whichever it is, they'd have to forgo that right in order for us to sign him. So we're effectively negotiating with two clubs, who probably both want a cut of whatever he ends up costing above the £11m.
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Ignore. Talking bubbles.
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Tammy Abraham has opened doors to Aston Villa move as personal terms are not an issue.
Villa, working on new striker after Malen left to join AS Roma — no agreement or deal done yet with Besiktas.
Fabrizio Romano
Wouldn't we be dealing with Roma?
He's apparently done all the stuff needed to trigger a permanent Besiktas move, so if they want him to be their player he would be their player.
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From what I have read, Besiktas have triggered an obligation to buy Tammy.
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Besiktas has already met the terms of the loan for it to be perm, so they are essentially going to turn around a quick profit on this. Probably £3-4M if we end up paying £15M or so. Any more at his age and we should walk away.
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🚨 Sheffield United have made an enquiry to sign Ross Barkley on loan.
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Watch him do a Luton, magically return to full health and play the rest of the season. Seriously though it would be a good move for him, he’d be a solid at that level and gets his wages off our books.
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The Times reporting the Tammy deal is happening
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Over to Toronto Villa.
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🚨 Sheffield United have made an enquiry to sign Ross Barkley on loan.
@SportsPeteO
Watch him do a Luton, magically return to full health and play the rest of the season. Seriously though it would be a good move for him, he’d be a solid at that level and gets his wages off our books.
Yep, we need to move on from players held together by sticky tape and a sign saying fragile, place right side up.
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The Times reporting the Tammy deal is happening
I think he could be quite a canny move tbh. We'll probably turn in a £10m-£15m profit on swapping Malen for Abraham, and Tammy's more suited to our style of play.
Malen wasn't overly happy with his lot here. Which I can understand, coming in thinking he'd be playing Champions League football only to be usurped by Rashford, then not really getting a lot of playing time despite Ollie being out of sorts and (apparently) playing with an injury for the first half of the season. I can see why he might not be totally content with it all.
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I think Tammy is a more functional replacement for Ollie, but leaves us much less flexibility in the squad.
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Anybody else think Tammy's imminent return is partly sponsored by how many balls have roll straight across the goal line this season?
Tammy is a finisher, and those balls that keep rolling across the box with no villa player within 10 yards could be behind the decision to pivot to Tammy.
I certainly think we would have scored more with him in the team than we have without even if he ends up being a 10 goal a season bench striker.
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Anybody else think Tammy's imminent return is partly sponsored by how many balls have roll straight across the goal line this season?
Tammy is a finisher, and those balls that keep rolling across the box with no villa player within 10 yards could be behind the decision to pivot to Tammy.
I certainly think we would have scored more with him in the team than we have without even if he ends up being a 10 goal a season bench striker.
My memory of him despite all his goals was him missing sitters.
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Anybody else think Tammy's imminent return is partly sponsored by how many balls have roll straight across the goal line this season?
Tammy is a finisher, and those balls that keep rolling across the box with no villa player within 10 yards could be behind the decision to pivot to Tammy.
I certainly think we would have scored more with him in the team than we have without even if he ends up being a 10 goal a season bench striker.
Id say the gig is to be Watkins backup. Hold the ball up and bring others into the play. Malen had other skills but couldn't do that.
Don't see him being true competition in the way Duran and Rashford became for Watkins but would love to be proven wrong. Tammy was a very good player for us, the downgrade the following season to likes of Wesley killed us. Critical for him is that he has proven his fitness after a serious injury that stalled his career and maybe an earlier move back under Emery.
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Think they will both play a lot and rotate.
We have a lot of games coming up.
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I think they could form a good partnership, unlike the Watkins-Malen one that rarely did much. Otherwise, I expect Abraham to start a good number of games and Watkins to come off the bench against tired defences.
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Anybody else think Tammy's imminent return is partly sponsored by how many balls have roll straight across the goal line this season?
Tammy is a finisher, and those balls that keep rolling across the box with no villa player within 10 yards could be behind the decision to pivot to Tammy.
I certainly think we would have scored more with him in the team than we have without even if he ends up being a 10 goal a season bench striker.
Id say the gig is to be Watkins backup. Hold the ball up and bring others into the play. Malen had other skills but couldn't do that.
Don't see him being true competition in the way Duran and Rashford became for Watkins but would love to be proven wrong. Tammy was a very good player for us, the downgrade the following season to likes of Wesley killed us. Critical for him is that he has proven his fitness after a serious injury that stalled his career and maybe an earlier move back under Emery.
I've just watched the obligatory YouTube reel to reacquaint myself and there's are surprisingly large number of clip of him wider and beating his man with sublime skill, which surprised me.
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Didn't he score 4 in one game and some fans moaned about the chances he missed?
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He has been away for a long time hasnt he ?
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🚨 It’s understood Aston Villa are prepared to offer Tammy Abraham a 4 and a half year contract.
@JNorthcroft
🚨💣 Aston Villa are closing in on the signing of Tammy Abraham after beating rival clubs with the offer of a long-term contract. @JNorthcroft
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Great news ! 4 years takes him to 32 and that helps with FFP
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I wonder who the rivals were.
Seems a short term signing but he does fit the system and it will allow us to rotate Ollie as he gets older.
Personally I’d have targetted a loan this window and looked to upgrade Ollie in the summer. That could still happen but we’ve burnt £15m (?) in the process.
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If Abraham does return to us, I hope his hold up play will have improved considerably in the time he's been away. With us it was not very good at all.
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If Abraham does return to us, I hope his hold up play will have improved considerably in the time he's been away. With us it was not very good at all.
Well he is a big lad and 5 years more experienced so hopefully
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Yikes.
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Anybody else think Tammy's imminent return is partly sponsored by how many balls have roll straight across the goal line this season?
Tammy is a finisher, and those balls that keep rolling across the box with no villa player within 10 yards could be behind the decision to pivot to Tammy.
I certainly think we would have scored more with him in the team than we have without even if he ends up being a 10 goal a season bench striker.
Id say the gig is to be Watkins backup. Hold the ball up and bring others into the play. Malen had other skills but couldn't do that.
Don't see him being true competition in the way Duran and Rashford became for Watkins but would love to be proven wrong. Tammy was a very good player for us, the downgrade the following season to likes of Wesley killed us. Critical for him is that he has proven his fitness after a serious injury that stalled his career and maybe an earlier move back under Emery.
I've just watched the obligatory YouTube reel to reacquaint myself and there's are surprisingly large number of clip of him wider and beating his man with sublime skill, which surprised me.
I remember him being interviewed early in that season with us and when asked what he thought his best position was, he said wide on the left hand side forward. Whether he's been playing there since much or whether Emery will see him there is another thing.
I think if he's the bod in the door to replace Elliott, who Emery clearly doesn't fancy, then that's fine, provided we sign a top forward to replace Malen as well.
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Surely not. He’ll be the only striker we sign this window. I can see a winger type arriving given the form of sancho/elliot/guessand.
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Didn't he score 4 in one game and some fans moaned about the chances he missed?
Forest. He did miss some sitters in that one!
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Over to Toronto Villa.
On it mate. As soon as John Percy and Townley says it's happening. But then again, even they've failed us. Filed them now with Footy Headlines.
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Dani Ceballos whispers appearing again in the Spanish media.
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Terry Gibson mentioned Dani Ceballos being a target whilst waffling on about Real Madrid (TalkSport).
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I wonder who the rivals were.
Seems a short term signing but he does fit the system and it will allow us to rotate Ollie as he gets older.
Personally I’d have targetted a loan this window and looked to upgrade Ollie in the summer. That could still happen but we’ve burnt £15m (?) in the process.
15m though over 4 years is very small money in terms of FFP
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If Abraham does return to us, I hope his hold up play will have improved considerably in the time he's been away. With us it was not very good at all.
I think it will be an improvement on Malen’s even so.
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Sentiment and memory are funning things. My son is excited by the prospect of Tammy coming back, he was 9 years old when we got promoted, so Tammys like got superstar status for him. I really liked Tammy and was gutted we didnt manage to sign him when we went up.
Then I watched him for Milan in some champions league game last year and thought he was terrible. Only one game mind.
Bring the lad back home and bring on the title charge.
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If Abraham does return to us, I hope his hold up play will have improved considerably in the time he's been away. With us it was not very good at all.
He was 22. Since then he went back to Chelsea, score 15 PL goals the following season, 30 goals in total for them in less than 2 seasons, went to Roma and scored 17 league goals in his first season with them. There was an ACL injury in there as well that affected him. Went to Milan and then where he is now. He's filled out, bigger and stronger. I think he will be fine.
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I am looking forward to seeing him with all this positive chat
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I like Abraham but he's not exactly lightning quick, is he?
We could still do with a bit of blistering pace somewhere.
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I can see a winger type arriving given the form of sancho/elliot/guessand.
What a fucking waste of a window to end up stuck with that lot. Barely contributed anything between them.
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I like Abraham but he's not exactly lightning quick, is he?
We could still do with a bit of blistering pace somewhere.
Is Alysson the answer to this? I'm hoping so.
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Anybody else think Tammy's imminent return is partly sponsored by how many balls have roll straight across the goal line this season?
Tammy is a finisher, and those balls that keep rolling across the box with no villa player within 10 yards could be behind the decision to pivot to Tammy.
I certainly think we would have scored more with him in the team than we have without even if he ends up being a 10 goal a season bench striker.
My memory of him despite all his goals was him missing sitters.
Yeah he did but the main point i was making is he won't be 10 yards away from the ball rolling across an open goal like everyone else has been this season.
Was it arsenal at villa park 3 rolled across an open goal without a villa shirt in sight? Tammy would be there weather he missed or not he would be in the raffle
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I remember him being interviewed early in that season with us and when asked what he thought his best position was, he said wide on the left hand side forward. Whether he's been playing there since much or whether Emery will see him there is another thing.
I think if he's the bod in the door to replace Elliott, who Emery clearly doesn't fancy, then that's fine, provided we sign a top forward to replace Malen as well.
Nah, I think Alyson and Brian will provide the alternative options off the bench.
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Dani Ceballos whispers appearing again in the Spanish media.
Unai might have signed him at Arse , then was sacked shortly after.
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I know the noise sounds good about Brian but I can’t see him being anywhere near ready. He’s so young and was hardly playing every minute in France.
Alysson might be closer but even he would be expected to make a huge step up.
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There's no way a 16 year old will be on the bench for Everton. He looks rough playing against other children.
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Yikes.
Indeed. Wait until you see how much he'll be earning to sit on the bench.
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Nothing would make me happier than Tammy getting the Emery Benediction and turning into our top-of-the-range goal hound. I think he'll probably be a sub though. Hopefully an effective one, like Callum Wilson was for
ages a time.
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I wonder who the rivals were.
Seems a short term signing but he does fit the system and it will allow us to rotate Ollie as he gets older.
Personally I’d have targetted a loan this window and looked to upgrade Ollie in the summer. That could still happen but we’ve burnt £15m (?) in the process.
We still need two forwards for European football and a 50+ game season. We will do remarkably well to get a forward as resilient as Ollie Watkins again.
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Whilst the stories about Alysson and Madjo seem very positive, are people seriously thinking that a couple of kids with no experience at this level are going to have a inpact on our charge for the top of the premier league or late stages of a European competition.
It’s good the news is positive, but let’s have some realistic expectations for them.
I give you Wayne Rooney
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There's no way a 16 year old will be on the bench for Everton. He looks rough playing against other children.
Dunno, Arsenal have pair of 16 year olds getting time off the bench, don't they ?
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I wonder who the rivals were.
Seems a short term signing but he does fit the system and it will allow us to rotate Ollie as he gets older.
Personally I’d have targetted a loan this window and looked to upgrade Ollie in the summer. That could still happen but we’ve burnt £15m (?) in the process.
15m though over 4 years is very small money in terms of FFP
It is. It's not that much of a gamble. He's not likely to turn up and bang them in while fighting his way into the England reckoning ahead of the World Cup (I'd love to be proven wrong), he's also not going to turn up and immediately look out of place in the Premier League. We're getting a reasonably solid first-team squad member, who knows the club, and who has played at the level we're currently at. And he's only 28.
Not particularly inspiring, but given the restrictions we're under, I think it's pretty good. Sentimentally speaking, it will also be nice to see him back.
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Nothing would make me happier than Tammy getting the Emery Benediction and turning into our top-of-the-range goal hound. I think he'll probably be a sub though. Hopefully an effective one, like Callum Wilson was for ages a time.
I'd like him to do what Danny Wellbeck is still doing for Brighton. And Wellbeck is 7 years older than Tammy. We need a proper option to rest Ollie and it isn't Malen. We have all seen that as much as well like him for what he does bring.
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Do you mean Nwaneri and Dowman? Nwaneri is 18 and Dowman is 16. Dowman has played 5 games and Nwaneri about 10 although most of their minutes have been in the cups. So no. Not really
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I wonder who the rivals were.
Seems a short term signing but he does fit the system and it will allow us to rotate Ollie as he gets older.
I doubt very much there was any interest in teams in the top half of the PL table. *
I see we're offering Besiktas Guessand on a 18 month loan to try and get the deal done but are we going to have to pay Roma as well as he is still officially their player though Besiktas have activated the option to buy?
It appears to be a messy and tough deal to negotiate.
EDIT: * Just checked; Everton, West Ham, and Tottenham.
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When has signing a late 20s, journeyman English CF ever worked for us?
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When has signing a late 20s, journeyman English CF ever worked for us?
When most weren't even born.
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When has signing a late 20s, journeyman English CF ever worked for us?
When most weren't even born.
I think you're referring to that bearded bloke who used to play for Arcadia Shepherds, amongst other less glamorous clubs.
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When has signing a late 20s, journeyman English CF ever worked for us?
When most weren't even born.
I think you're referring to that bearded bloke who used to play for Arcadia Shepherds, amongst other less glamorous clubs.
16 goals in 26 appearances for them, I knew then he was the real deal.
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We’re asking Emery to perform miracles all the time with this FFP shit
We’re joint second in the league same points as Man city and we’re linked with hopefuls and Home bargain offers on players who haven’t quite made it elsewhere but might make it again If Unai can sprinkle his magic and squeeze another tune out of them
While city bring in Semenyo we can’t even capture fucking Conor Galagher
We got decent money for Diaby, Duran, and a few others but we’re still pissing about because the system is unfair
You can’t win the league or the champions league with both arms tied behind your back
It will be the only reason Unai will say fuck it in the end nothing else
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When has signing a late 20s, journeyman English CF ever worked for us?
Ross McCormack says hello. Scottish I know but that's what you get more often than Withe.
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Do you mean Nwaneri and Dowman? Nwaneri is 18 and Dowman is 16. Dowman has played 5 games and Nwaneri about 10 although most of their minutes have been in the cups. So no. Not really
Marli Salmon, only 16, made his debut lately. Was on the bench for our league game with Arsenal at Villa Park. Which was your initial assertion, that you couldn't see us putting a kid on the bench. We do with Hemmings, not inconceivable we wont with Madjo. No one has said they're to be depended upon as game changers.
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We’re asking Emery to perform miracles all the time with this FFP shit
We’re joint second in the league same points as Man city and we’re linked with hopefuls and Home bargain offers on players who haven’t quite made it elsewhere but might make it again If Unai can sprinkle his magic and squeeze another tune out of them
While city bring in Semenyo we can’t even capture fucking Conor Galagher
We got decent money for Diaby, Duran, and a few others but we’re still pissing about because the system is unfair
You can’t win the league or the champions league with both arms tied behind your back
It will be the only reason Unai will say fuck it in the end nothing else
We don’t have the luxury of being able to even make £20-£30 million fuck ups. But we have not helped ourselves with some of the money we have spent.
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We’re asking Emery to perform miracles all the time with this FFP shit
We’re joint second in the league same points as Man city and we’re linked with hopefuls and Home bargain offers on players who haven’t quite made it elsewhere but might make it again If Unai can sprinkle his magic and squeeze another tune out of them
While city bring in Semenyo we can’t even capture fucking Conor Galagher
We got decent money for Diaby, Duran, and a few others but we’re still pissing about because the system is unfair
You can’t win the league or the champions league with both arms tied behind your back
It will be the only reason Unai will say fuck it in the end nothing else
I get all that John but isn't he also tying his hands behind his own back, spending now on a player we'd willing take on loan but offering a 4 four and a half year contract to play second fiddle to Watkins, on what no doubt will be very similar money we were paying to Malen?
Then we have Watkins himself. The idea, at least my idea, was to let him finish the season strongly, loads of goals, make the World Cup squad, score a couple and maximise his sales value in the summer, allowing us to bring in a younger, top striker. Right now, if the deal goes ahead for Tammy, I can't see us having the money to spend. Plus Watkins won't want to be playing second fiddle to anybody. If it was €11m for Tammy - the release fee Roma are charging then okay, we can probably make it work and some money in the near future.
As I said before, it's like we're planning for the Conference League rather than the Champions League. But hey, what do I know.
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Ruben Loftus-Cheek anyone? Milan want rid and have offered him to us and a few others.
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We’re asking Emery to perform miracles all the time with this FFP shit
We’re joint second in the league same points as Man city and we’re linked with hopefuls and Home bargain offers on players who haven’t quite made it elsewhere but might make it again If Unai can sprinkle his magic and squeeze another tune out of them
While city bring in Semenyo we can’t even capture fucking Conor Galagher
We got decent money for Diaby, Duran, and a few others but we’re still pissing about because the system is unfair
You can’t win the league or the champions league with both arms tied behind your back
It will be the only reason Unai will say fuck it in the end nothing else
I get all that John but isn't he also tying his hands behind his own back, spending now on a player we'd willing take on loan but offering a 4 four and a half year contract to play second fiddle to Watkins, on what no doubt will be very similar money we were paying to Malen?
Then we have Watkins himself. The idea, at least my idea, was to let him finish the season strongly, loads of goals, make the World Cup squad, score a couple and maximise his sales value in the summer, allowing us to bring in a younger, top striker. Right now, if the deal goes ahead for Tammy, I can't see us having the money to spend. Plus Watkins won't want to be playing second fiddle to anybody. If it was €11m for Tammy - the release fee Roma are charging then okay, we can probably make it work and some money in the near future.
As I said before, it's like we're planning for the Conference League rather than the Champions League. But hey, what do I know.
Don’t disagree with any of that mate
and who scouted Guessand another total waste of money and one we’re reportedly already trying to move away
your right we’re in a pickle with FFP but we aren’t making it any easier for ourselves either
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Ruben Loftus-Cheek anyone? Milan want rid and have offered him to us and a few others.
He'd fit right in with his injury record...
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Loftus-Cheek is the type Everton sign. Shit, injury prone, big wages.
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They should get Loftus Cheek followed by Eric Dier
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I’m in terms of profile of player Loftus-Cheek and Tammy are materially different.
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It would be good if we could sign a player and keep them for more than 2 windows.
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Ruben Loftus-Cheek anyone? Milan want rid and have offered him to us and a few others.
Nah
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Ruben Loftus-Cheek anyone? Milan want rid and have offered him to us and a few others.
He's always been a good player, like Barkley has. Unfortunately, also similar to Barkley he's spent long spells of his career injured.
Nah
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Ruben Loftus-Cheek anyone? Milan want rid and have offered him to us and a few others.
Nah
That's good enough for me. He's one of those players where his name has registered more than his performances which isn't hard as I don't recall any.
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Tammy has scored tonight
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Tammy has scored tonight
Nice header
https://x.com/Valenti08670756/status/2011857660233015738?s=20
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Tammy has scored tonight
Nice header
https://x.com/Valenti08670756/status/2011857660233015738?s=20
Beautiful. Now I definately want him in on loan.
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Tammy has scored tonight
Has tonight happened already?
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Tammy has scored tonight
Has tonight happened already?
It's twenty to ten at night there right now.
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Only messin', am due a Back To The Future rewatch.
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Ruben Loftus-Cheek anyone? Milan want rid and have offered him to us and a few others.
Nah
No - if we are to get squad players they need a good injury record. As others have said - everytime barkley would be useful in the squad is also out injured.
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Linked, along with Newcastle and West Ham, to Oscar Mingueza for £8m on some instagram page.
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Linked, along with Newcastle and West Ham, to Oscar Mingueza for £8m on some instagram page.
Not sure we need another Academy player.
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Tammy has scored tonight
Gerrim in!
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Linked, along with Newcastle and West Ham, to Oscar Mingueza for £8m on some instagram page.
He's off to Juventus. We missed that bus.
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Tammy has scored tonight
Lovely goal. We need a few more headed goals
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Linked, along with Newcastle and West Ham, to Oscar Mingueza for £8m on some instagram page.
He's off to Juventus. We missed that bus.
shame 8m for a Spanish international strikes me as good value. Right back is also a position we need to strengthen unless Garcia is ripping it up in training.
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Linked, along with Newcastle and West Ham, to Oscar Mingueza for £8m on some instagram page.
He's off to Juventus. We missed that bus.
Don’t worry there’s rumours of us bringing in Freddie Guilbert.
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Linked, along with Newcastle and West Ham, to Oscar Mingueza for £8m on some instagram page.
He's off to Juventus. We missed that bus.
shame 8m for a Spanish international strikes me as good value. Right back is also a position we need to strengthen unless Garcia is ripping it up in training.
I think he'd already agreed as a free agent to join Juventus in the summer but they want him to join now therefore a fee will have to be paid. Half the fee has to go to Barca. The fee mentioned is between €3m and €5m. What's crazy is his salary at Juventus will jump from 600k a season at Celta to €1m which sounds ridiculously low.
Could we not jump in and offer more or does his pre-agreement throw a spanner in the works?
We could even throw in Garcia.
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Linked, along with Newcastle and West Ham, to Oscar Mingueza for £8m on some instagram page.
He's off to Juventus. We missed that bus.
shame 8m for a Spanish international strikes me as good value. Right back is also a position we need to strengthen unless Garcia is ripping it up in training.
Juve want him on a free in the summer and not pay in January the skint pricks.
That rock at Juventus was thrown from my glass house.
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Linked, along with Newcastle and West Ham, to Oscar Mingueza for £8m on some instagram page.
He's off to Juventus. We missed that bus.
Don’t worry there’s rumours of us bringing in Freddie Guilbert.
You're not helping, Paul.
Whatever happened to the young Serbian right back we signed with the caterpillar eyebrows?
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Tammy saying his goodbyes to the fans and teammates?
https://x.com/onurtascioglu/status/2011883730844205354?s=46
https://x.com/kartalrecord/status/2011884322123370568?s=46
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Linked, along with Newcastle and West Ham, to Oscar Mingueza for £8m on some instagram page.
He's off to Juventus. We missed that bus.
Don’t worry there’s rumours of us bringing in Freddie Guilbert.
You're not helping, Paul.
Whatever happened to the young Serbian right back we signed with the caterpillar eyebrows?
Kosta Nedeljković. Playing sometimes while on loan at Leipzig.
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I know we shouldn’t compare, but last year:
Rashford and Asensio
This year:
Linked to (I know linked not signed) Tammy and Loftus-Cheek
Not sure what it means, other than we were in the Champions League last year, but at the very least transfers are less fun. Luckily the most important thing is the team is doing well - I do think second half of the season might be tough if we’re not careful.
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We also spent an absolute fortune on bringing those players in. Something we just can’t do this time around even though our CL chances are significantly greater. Clearly we have been warned by UEFA to keep our finances in line or face serious consequences. So instead we are being linked with players that fall into our structure or having to move players out to make room for some better ones we might be able to get late on.
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There's not much gain from the big loans this January. Very small chance we don't qualify for the Champions League and as much as we'd all love it, don't blow whatever PSR budget we have chasing the title on temporary fixes to something that isn't broken.
Club are doing the right thing. Invest in the future. Love this team, but the majority of them are 28 and above.
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Wish Harvey would just join Uncle Deano for a few months and enjoy himself in Carolinas North and South. Give us an extra few bob to entice Asensio or whoever.
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Of course, we’ve also spent a fair chunk of our money pretty bloody badly. I mentioned a few pages back, or on another thread, we have made some really good signings in the last few years but it doesn’t feel like our strategy is coherent and we’ve made some poor errors - at least in terms of whether the manager rates the players we’re signing.
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Our own Ferran has scored for Barca just now.
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Let me know when he's waving his goodbyes to the Barca fans.
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I know we shouldn’t compare, but last year:
Rashford and Asensio
This year:
Linked to (I know linked not signed) Tammy and Loftus-Cheek
Not sure what it means, other than we were in the Champions League last year, but at the very least transfers are less fun. Luckily the most important thing is the team is doing well - I do think second half of the season might be tough if we’re not careful.
I’m sure back in September after the summer transfer we all thought the first half the season was going to be tough.
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Of course, we’ve also spent a fair chunk of our money pretty bloody badly. I mentioned a few pages back, or on another thread, we have made some really good signings in the last few years but it doesn’t feel like our strategy is coherent and we’ve made some poor errors - at least in terms of whether the manager rates the players we’re signing.
There is obviously some really good examples of really bad transfer strategies, Everton a few years back, Man utd for ever, but other than the Brentford & Brighton model, it feels like most team have a degree of chance about it all. Just some clubs waft more money about.
Im not overly concerned about our transfer strategy in terms of coherency, i think we’ve had more hits than misses, not including kids bought.
Off the top of my head in Emery’s time, hits include Duran, Rashford, Asensio, Rogers, Torres,Maatsen, Lindelof, Diaby (for a time), Tielemans, Onana (when fit), Bizot, Malen.
Misses, Elliot, Sancho (so far), Guessand (so far), Disasi,
Somewhere in between -Barkley.
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It also depends what you consider a hit. Some will probably consider diaby a miss but he performed pretty well and we made a profit on him. Being able to sell for at least as much as you paid is absolutely key. For so many years we just had players wind down contracts or go for nominal fees and it killed us. Now we regularly sell someone for £20m plus and it just keeps it all ticking along.
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I wouldn't call Disasi a miss, he was signed as cover in case we got injuries and did that reasonably well at CB and not so well as RB. I think he did pretty much exactly the job we expected and needed.
I know we shouldn’t compare, but last year:
Rashford and Asensio
This year:
Linked to (I know linked not signed) Tammy and Loftus-Cheek
Not sure what it means, other than we were in the Champions League last year, but at the very least transfers are less fun. Luckily the most important thing is the team is doing well - I do think second half of the season might be tough if we’re not careful.
This isn't a remotely fair comparison though, they both signed right at the end of the window, at this stage we'd got Malen, sold Philogene, had Carlos halfway out the door and were deep in rumours that Duran was going out to Saudi Arabia. Garcia was probably just being linked but he was a kid from the Spanish 2nd tier. It was right at the end of January when Rashford and Asensio began to look like real opportunities.
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I wouldn't call Disasi a miss, he was signed as cover in case we got injuries and did that reasonably well at CB and not so well as RB. I think he did pretty much exactly the job we expected and needed.
I'd say he was an unmitigated Disas(i)ter!
He was at fault for PSG's third goal in Paris, which turned out to be the deciding goal, and he was also at fault for City's late winner at the Etihad - A point which potentially would have seen us qualify for the Champions League for a second season in a row. Was okay when his mind was on it, but went to sleep far too often for my liking.
Lindelof has been a FAR better signing as defensive cover.
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I don't disagree on Lindelof at all, but I think those 2 goals are used against Disasi far too much, he did fine in most games, he just happened to not quite be good enough against the best side in Europe and against the most expensively assembled squad in history, for a last minute scramble signing to fill a gap after other options fell through he was better than having to rely on what would've been Bogarde or Kamara filling in at CB again (where they'd already had a tough time a couple of months earlier).
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I don't disagree on Lindelof at all, but I think those 2 goals are used against Disasi far too much, he did fine in most games, he just happened to not quite be good enough against the best side in Europe and against the most expensively assembled squad in history, for a last minute scramble signing to fill a gap after other options fell through he was better than having to rely on what would've been Bogarde or Kamara filling in at CB again (where they'd already had a tough time a couple of months earlier).
5m loan fee was reported to fill that gap + whatever wages we were covering. Nothing to show for it afterwards. Disasi hasn't kicked a ball since either.
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Didn’t he come on late in both those games as Cash was struggling with his hamstrings a bit too. I felt for him at PSG, it seemed really odd to bring him on against their attack, I would lay that more at Emery than Disasi out of position. The Man City one, mark up at the back stick and we get a draw, it is a team goal conceded. He was immense at Brentford though. We missed out by a single point, the home draws with Bournemouth, Brighton etc from winning positions were much more damaging.
Lindelof has been excellent, following in the Scandinavian defenders footsteps at Villa.
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We shouldn't have been playing Disasi at RB, he's a CB only.
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We shouldn't have been playing Disasi at RB, he's a CB only.
Exactly,
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I wouldn't call Disasi a miss, he was signed as cover in case we got injuries and did that reasonably well at CB and not so well as RB. I think he did pretty much exactly the job we expected and needed.
I know we shouldn’t compare, but last year:
Rashford and Asensio
This year:
Linked to (I know linked not signed) Tammy and Loftus-Cheek
Not sure what it means, other than we were in the Champions League last year, but at the very least transfers are less fun. Luckily the most important thing is the team is doing well - I do think second half of the season might be tough if we’re not careful.
This isn't a remotely fair comparison though, they both signed right at the end of the window, at this stage we'd got Malen, sold Philogene, had Carlos halfway out the door and were deep in rumours that Duran was going out to Saudi Arabia. Garcia was probably just being linked but he was a kid from the Spanish 2nd tier. It was right at the end of January when Rashford and Asensio began to look like real opportunities.
Yeah and if at end the window we bring in a couple of high class options I’ll happily revise my position. Like I said this is just what it feels like now to me, not saying it’s a view I’ve applied a load of analysis to it.
The only thing I would say is Malen out vs Philogene is quite different in terms of value add to the first team, if I were comparing those two specifically.
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Dont get me wrong Id love Rashford and Asensio calibre signings this month, but it is what it is financially wise and it is what it is partly because we gambled on getting those big money players in. It was really exciting and it nearly but not quite paid off in terms of our drive from mid table to champions league qualification.
We are in a much better league position now as well, which needs to be taken into account. I don’t want to tempt fate but it would take a dramatic collapse in our form as well as a dramatic shift in Chelsea or Man Utds form for us to not get at least 5th.
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We shouldn't have been playing Disasi at RB, he's a CB only.
he's certainly no Carlos Cuellar
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I don't disagree on Lindelof at all, but I think those 2 goals are used against Disasi far too much, he did fine in most games, he just happened to not quite be good enough against the best side in Europe and against the most expensively assembled squad in history, for a last minute scramble signing to fill a gap after other options fell through he was better than having to rely on what would've been Bogarde or Kamara filling in at CB again (where they'd already had a tough time a couple of months earlier).
The judgement on Disasi is somewhat made by the fact that no other clubs have been bashing Chelsea's door in to sign him ...
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I don't disagree on Lindelof at all, but I think those 2 goals are used against Disasi far too much, he did fine in most games, he just happened to not quite be good enough against the best side in Europe and against the most expensively assembled squad in history, for a last minute scramble signing to fill a gap after other options fell through he was better than having to rely on what would've been Bogarde or Kamara filling in at CB again (where they'd already had a tough time a couple of months earlier).
The judgement on Disasi is somewhat made by the fact that no other clubs have been bashing Chelsea's door in to sign him ...
Quite a few clubs wanted him on loan I believe, but Chelsea are at full compliment of outgoing loans.
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I don't disagree on Lindelof at all, but I think those 2 goals are used against Disasi far too much, he did fine in most games, he just happened to not quite be good enough against the best side in Europe and against the most expensively assembled squad in history, for a last minute scramble signing to fill a gap after other options fell through he was better than having to rely on what would've been Bogarde or Kamara filling in at CB again (where they'd already had a tough time a couple of months earlier).
I agree. I remember the Brentford away game last season, and he was immense and got the man-of-the-match award.
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Did he play centre half in the brentford match?
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No, right-back with Konsa and Mings in the middle.
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Of course, we’ve also spent a fair chunk of our money pretty bloody badly. I mentioned a few pages back, or on another thread, we have made some really good signings in the last few years but it doesn’t feel like our strategy is coherent and we’ve made some poor errors - at least in terms of whether the manager rates the players we’re signing.
There is obviously some really good examples of really bad transfer strategies, Everton a few years back, Man utd for ever, but other than the Brentford & Brighton model, it feels like most team have a degree of chance about it all. Just some clubs waft more money about.
Im not overly concerned about our transfer strategy in terms of coherency, i think we’ve had more hits than misses, not including kids bought.
Off the top of my head in Emery’s time, hits include Duran, Rashford, Asensio, Rogers, Torres,Maatsen, Lindelof, Diaby (for a time), Tielemans, Onana (when fit), Bizot, Malen.
Misses, Elliot, Sancho (so far), Guessand (so far), Disasi,
Somewhere in between -Barkley.
No one ever gets it perfect in the transfer market, it's impossible. The best you have hope for, is more hits than misses, and that the misses don't prove TOO expensive. The very fact that our squad today is better than the one Emery inherited when he joined, and his net transfer spend over those three years is basically a couple of buttons, suggests to me that we're one of the better movers in the transfer market.
We make mistakes, all clubs do, but our transfer business since Unai came in has been pretty bloody good in my opinion, and certainly better than it's been generally in the last 20 years.
There may come a time when we can afford to throw cash at as close to a 'sure thing' as it's possible to get, but we're just not in that market right now, which means the odd misstep. But I am comfortable with that, knowing we'll pick up a few bargains along the way as well.
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Think that’s about right tbh. You also cant judge success just by how many of your players become stars. It’s about ensuring that you sell at the optimum points, don’t let players wind down contracts and value in conjunction with your purchases delivering value either by growing in worth or delivering on the pitch. I’d say we’ve been very good at selling in the recent era, good at growing the value of our players and pretty good at players delivering on the pitch.
That will be a LOT better than most.
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Didn't we go through a period under Lerner where we never sold anyone for any actual money, like years? At least we're very good at optimising our sales now.
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Didn't we go through a period under Lerner where we never sold anyone for any actual money, like years? At least we're very good at optimising our sales now.
It definitely felt like that, but there was usually a couple going out for decent money every other year.
The last Championship season and the first Premier League season we didn't really sell anyone for more than buttons, but the years prior to that there was usually a couple that brought in decentish money.
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Didn't we go through a period under Lerner where we never sold anyone for any actual money, like years? At least we're very good at optimising our sales now.
This is true until the point Martin O’Neill walked out. After that, the fire sale began so he could recoup some of his money with Barry, Milner Downing all going.
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Didn't we go through a period under Lerner where we never sold anyone for any actual money, like years? At least we're very good at optimising our sales now.
It definitely felt like that, but there was usually a couple going out for decent money every other year.
The last Championship season and the first Premier League season we didn't really sell anyone for more than buttons, but the years prior to that there was usually a couple that brought in decentish money.
MON sold most of our young players, some warranted (Moore, Ridgewell), other less so (Cahill, Davis, Gardner). Not being able to quickly move on the likes of Shorey and Beye was a huge problem for our wage bill when he gave up on them after a few games.
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No hits and misses I think it's also worth noting that if you'd asked this time last year I suspect most people would've had Maatsen and Onana as either misses or at best average signings and now they're looking like players we can rely on for a long time. It's easy to forget that they were both still very young and were always going to improve.
My hope is that Guessand will go the same way but to do so he really needs to start believing he deserves to be here because I think a huge part of his problem is confidence related. Maybe Malen going means he'll be used a little more centrally for a few games and that might help him.
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Of course, we’ve also spent a fair chunk of our money pretty bloody badly. I mentioned a few pages back, or on another thread, we have made some really good signings in the last few years but it doesn’t feel like our strategy is coherent and we’ve made some poor errors - at least in terms of whether the manager rates the players we’re signing.
There is obviously some really good examples of really bad transfer strategies, Everton a few years back, Man utd for ever, but other than the Brentford & Brighton model, it feels like most team have a degree of chance about it all. Just some clubs waft more money about.
Im not overly concerned about our transfer strategy in terms of coherency, i think we’ve had more hits than misses, not including kids bought.
Off the top of my head in Emery’s time, hits include Duran, Rashford, Asensio, Rogers, Torres,Maatsen, Lindelof, Diaby (for a time), Tielemans, Onana (when fit), Bizot, Malen.
Misses, Elliot, Sancho (so far), Guessand (so far), Disasi,
Somewhere in between -Barkley.
No one ever gets it perfect in the transfer market, it's impossible. The best you have hope for, is more hits than misses, and that the misses don't prove TOO expensive. The very fact that our squad today is better than the one Emery inherited when he joined, and his net transfer spend over those three years is basically a couple of buttons, suggests to me that we're one of the better movers in the transfer market.
We make mistakes, all clubs do, but our transfer business since Unai came in has been pretty bloody good in my opinion, and certainly better than it's been generally in the last 20 years.
I think there is something uniquely odd about last summer, across the whole league and how successful the big transfers made have been.
I reckon the hits (and restricting it to outfield players who went for say, £25m or more) reads something like:
Ekitike, Zubimendi, Cherki, Dewsbury-Hall, Cunha, Mbuemo, Woltemade, Kudus. And I think the last five of those eight are still not exactly explosive in how successful they've been, more a "yeah, they've been fine".
The (selected) list of misses as things currently stand, while obviously accepting that lots of them have had their moments and could still go on to improve:
Eze, Madueke, Gyokeres, Guessand, Delap, Joao Pedro, Gittens, Garnacho, Hato, Barry, Dibling, Frimpong, Wirtz, Kerkez, Isak, Sesko, Elanga, Wissa, Ramsey, Ndoye, Hutchinson, McAtee, Kalimuendo, Bakwa, Xavi Simons.
That feels a lot worse than it usually would be across the league.
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What was your new name for Kiernan again? It should be changed to that forever.
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What was your new name for Kiernan again? It should be changed to that forever.
Stately-Home. It made me LOL out loud anyway
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No hits and misses I think it's also worth noting that if you'd asked this time last year I suspect most people would've had Maatsen and Onana as either misses or at best average signings and now they're looking like players we can rely on for a long time. It's easy to forget that they were both still very young and were always going to improve.
My hope is that Guessand will go the same way but to do so he really needs to start believing he deserves to be here because I think a huge part of his problem is confidence related. Maybe Malen going means he'll be used a little more centrally for a few games and that might help him.
Guessand absolutely needs to step up now. He's had six months to settle in and he's shown nothing bar basically taking out right back duties to help out Cash in his early prem games and a scruffy close range finish in the Europa league.
I have no idea what sort of wide player he is. Is he a Diaby who played it as inside forward and cut in constantly to get shots. Or a Bailey who at least in 23/24 looked a very good winger for six months skinning full backs.
Watch him in AFCON and his National team play him as a CF and he actually scored a good header from a corner so that suggests he could thrive in team that puts in 30-40 crosses a game but we simply don't play like that.
Still he'll be back on the bench on Sunday so up to him to show something when he comes on. 25m isn't an excessive fee in the modern game but we still need to show more as he was a ghost out on the right at Brighton which is my most recent memory of him in prem action for us.
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Guessand, apart from his limited abilities on the ball looks too slow in making decisions. Part of that might be confidence but there's been a couple of times where he's been virtually through one on one and slowed down to such a degree he was closed down and didn't even get a shot off.
He's been horrendously poor. He does try though.
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What's with the smoke and mirrors around the Malen deal? Villa saying gone for an undisclosed fee, Roma saying its a loan with an option to buy?
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Thought he did ok in the second half at Brighton to be fair. At least got into good positions in the box. First half he was lost. He might bundle in a few goals and help Cash out defensively but you can't correct his basic lack of technical ability. Sadly I think some of his team mates have the same view. That standard ball from Cash up the line to his feet is not his friend. McGinn on the other hand loves that pass as he can drag the full back in close and turn into midfield.
Combine Sancho's technical skills with Guessand's workrate and you'd have a decent player.
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What's with the smoke and mirrors around the Malen deal? Villa saying gone for an undisclosed fee, Roma saying its a loan with an option to buy?
We never seem to announce details of the deals we do.
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Didn't we go through a period under Lerner where we never sold anyone for any actual money, like years? At least we're very good at optimising our sales now.
I remember that. A bomb squad which got bigger with each new manager.
It’s another reason why selling “Malens” makes sense as it keeps the squad fresh and generates a small profit.
Also - because we are good - there’s only a handful of clubs that can afford our best players, so fewer offers.
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If I could choose Malen and not have Sancho and or Guessand I would choose Malen every time.
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What's with the smoke and mirrors around the Malen deal? Villa saying gone for an undisclosed fee, Roma saying its a loan with an option to buy?
We never seem to announce details of the deals we do.
But we don’t usually say the opposite to the buying club.
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If I could choose Malen and not have Sancho and or Guessand I would choose Malen every time.
I agree
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Of course, we’ve also spent a fair chunk of our money pretty bloody badly. I mentioned a few pages back, or on another thread, we have made some really good signings in the last few years but it doesn’t feel like our strategy is coherent and we’ve made some poor errors - at least in terms of whether the manager rates the players we’re signing.
There is obviously some really good examples of really bad transfer strategies, Everton a few years back, Man utd for ever, but other than the Brentford & Brighton model, it feels like most team have a degree of chance about it all. Just some clubs waft more money about.
Im not overly concerned about our transfer strategy in terms of coherency, i think we’ve had more hits than misses, not including kids bought.
Off the top of my head in Emery’s time, hits include Duran, Rashford, Asensio, Rogers, Torres,Maatsen, Lindelof, Diaby (for a time), Tielemans, Onana (when fit), Bizot, Malen.
Misses, Elliot, Sancho (so far), Guessand (so far), Disasi,
Somewhere in between -Barkley.
No one ever gets it perfect in the transfer market, it's impossible. The best you have hope for, is more hits than misses, and that the misses don't prove TOO expensive. The very fact that our squad today is better than the one Emery inherited when he joined, and his net transfer spend over those three years is basically a couple of buttons, suggests to me that we're one of the better movers in the transfer market.
We make mistakes, all clubs do, but our transfer business since Unai came in has been pretty bloody good in my opinion, and certainly better than it's been generally in the last 20 years.
I think there is something uniquely odd about last summer, across the whole league and how successful the big transfers made have been.
I reckon the hits (and restricting it to outfield players who went for say, £25m or more) reads something like:
Ekitike, Zubimendi, Cherki, Dewsbury-Hall, Cunha, Mbuemo, Woltemade, Kudus. And I think the last five of those eight are still not exactly explosive in how successful they've been, more a "yeah, they've been fine".
The (selected) list of misses as things currently stand, while obviously accepting that lots of them have had their moments and could still go on to improve:
Eze, Madueke, Gyokeres, Guessand, Delap, Joao Pedro, Gittens, Garnacho, Hato, Barry, Dibling, Frimpong, Wirtz, Kerkez, Isak, Sesko, Elanga, Wissa, Ramsey, Ndoye, Hutchinson, McAtee, Kalimuendo, Bakwa, Xavi Simons.
That feels a lot worse than it usually would be across the league.
Could it be down to the increasingly systemised approach of teams makes it harder for players to transition rather than the 'do your own thing' approach of days of old?
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Could it be down to the increasingly systemised approach of teams makes it harder for players to transition rather than the 'do your own thing' approach of days of old?
Probably a load of things. I'd add the fact that lots of players going to bigger clubs are going there to be part of a squad - so if Eze, Madueke, the Chelsea lads, the Forest lads had all played 25 games then they might look like they've done a whole lot more. Getting ten minutes here and there makes it harder to make an impression.
Quite a lot of that list have had injuries to keep them out the side for a while.
One thing's for sure though, our lacklustre summer is certainly mitigated by the fact that loads of other rival clubs spent a lot more than us to end up no better off than us as a result of their spending.
Newcastle in particular - our £25m on Guessand, versus their £220m or so on Ramsey, Wissa, Elanga and Woltemade.
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The majority of signings fail and have done so for decades. And will continue to do so for years to come.
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The majority of signings fail and have done so for decades. And will continue to do so for years to come.
Which takes us back to the post (I forgot who) about teams in Germany see it as a failure if they do not develop and bring players through from their youth system.
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The majority of signings fail and have done so for decades. And will continue to do so for years to come.
If that were true, then the majority of clubs 'sell well'. I personally think there are some signings that fail, some that do brilliantly, but that the majority are just 'okay', doing the job to roughly the standard expected for the price paid for them. I think we've had very few failures, a handful of very decent successes, and another group that have done perfectly okay without setting the world alight.
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The majority of signings fail and have done so for decades. And will continue to do so for years to come.
If that were true, then the majority of clubs 'sell well'. I personally think there are some signings that fail, some that do brilliantly, but that the majority are just 'okay', doing the job to roughly the standard expected for the price paid for them. I think we've had very few failures, a handful of very decent successes, and another group that have done perfectly okay without setting the world alight.
I agree, that's basically the point I was making about Disasi, I think part of the problem is how polarised everything has become which makes 'just ok' easily the rarest response to things where the standards are great or utter shit and very little required to shift from one to the other (but frequently former to latter).
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If Kamara is going to be out for longer our squad is starting to look thin.
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If you take Barkley, Onana and Kamara out of any squad its a pretty big impact
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I class Malen as a failure for example, for the money we paid 7 league starts in a year is shit. And it's why he's no longer a Villa player. Many would class him as ok as he did contribute off the bench and we got our money back, but we didn't sign him to be a bench player for 12 months.
Doesn't mean he's a bad player, but signing him didn't work out how we wanted. And that's how most transfers go.
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I class Malen as a failure for example, for the money we paid 7 league starts in a year is shit. And it's why he's no longer a Villa player. Many would class him as ok as he did contribute off the bench and we got our money back, but we didn't sign him to be a bench player for 12 months.
Doesn't mean he's a bad player, but signing him didn't work out how we wanted. And that's how most transfers go.
That’s exactly what I said.
Surely when you sign a player you hope they will be good enough to be a starter, not a perpetual substitute.
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I class Malen as a failure for example, for the money we paid 7 league starts in a year is shit. And it's why he's no longer a Villa player. Many would class him as ok as he did contribute off the bench and we got our money back, but we didn't sign him to be a bench player for 12 months.
Doesn't mean he's a bad player, but signing him didn't work out how we wanted. And that's how most transfers go.
That’s exactly what I said.
Surely when you sign a player you hope they will be good enough to be a starter, not a perpetual substitute.
Depends on the player. I don't think we signed Malen expecting him to push Watkins to the bench with any regularity. I don't think we signed Lindelof expecting him to push Pau or Konsa out. I don't think we signed Barkley...etc.
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I class Malen as a failure for example, for the money we paid 7 league starts in a year is shit. And it's why he's no longer a Villa player. Many would class him as ok as he did contribute off the bench and we got our money back, but we didn't sign him to be a bench player for 12 months.
Doesn't mean he's a bad player, but signing him didn't work out how we wanted. And that's how most transfers go.
That’s exactly what I said.
Surely when you sign a player you hope they will be good enough to be a starter, not a perpetual substitute.
Depends on the player. I don't think we signed Malen expecting him to push Watkins to the bench with any regularity. I don't think we signed Lindelof expecting him to push Pau or Konsa out. I don't think we signed Barkley...etc.
Yes because it would mean setting up very differently if the team was geared to Malen starting.
It looks like he has fulfilled the role pretty successfully particularly in comparison to Guessand.
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Lindy would currently be a success as he's doing what we signed him to do, and doing it very well. But I have no doubt we expected more than 12 months and 7 league starts from Donny.
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I think he has been decent. Not a roaring success, not a massive failure. He did what was asked and gave enough of an option to be very useful as an impact player, and we have got our money back with a bit if change. Guessand has started more, but had way less impact, so I would put him firmly in the fail category at the moment.
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Lindy would currently be a success as he's doing what we signed him to do, and doing it very well. But I have no doubt we expected more than 12 months and 7 league starts from Donny.
Poor numbers especially when Watkins was shit yet Unai kept playing him. Still The Don's 7 goals this season helped us out when we were failing up front.
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Lindelof has been magnificent. He has played a crucial role filling in for injured players and his integration has been seamless.
Had Ollie been injured for 7 or 8 games, I honestly don’t think that Malen would have filled in for him to the same level.
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Lindelof has been magnificent. He has played a crucial role filling in for injured players and his integration has been seamless.
Where was he for the Forest goal? Other than that his calmness, confidence and experience has been generally appreciated.
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I think Tielemans was slow to track MGW for the Forest goal. Lindelof was left stuck in two minds, chose the wrong option though, I guess.
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I think Tielemans was slow to track MGW for the Forest goal. Lindelof was left stuck in two minds, chose the wrong option though, I guess.
That was the way I saw it too. If caught out like that, no issue body checking the forward and taking a yellow in that situation. We miss some of that cynical play at times, McGinn aside.
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Lindelof has been magnificent. He has played a crucial role filling in for injured players and his integration has been seamless.
Where was he for the Forest goal? Other than that his calmness, confidence and experience has been generally appreciated.
And he was timid in providing any pressure on Cunha for the manu goal however he's been OK, just like Lenglet when we needed them.
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Lindelof has been magnificent. He has played a crucial role filling in for injured players and his integration has been seamless.
Where was he for the Forest goal? Other than that his calmness, confidence and experience has been generally appreciated.
And he was timid in providing any pressure on Cunha for the manu goal however he's been OK, just like Lenglet when we needed them.
Hmmm, I thought that cash fucked up for that one. Rewriting history if Lindy takes any flak for that particular goal.
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Forest sniffing round Tammy Abraham - apparently
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If Kamara is injured, he’s basically irreplaceable in terms of his ability, but we will need another body in midfield.
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The majority of signings fail and have done so for decades. And will continue to do so for years to come.
If the majority of signings fail, I would have thought more clubs would be investing even more in their academy and bringing players through.
I suppose it depends what you mean by 'fail'.
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Forest sniffing round Tammy Abraham - apparently
Who I’d expect him to be interesting if I’m honest. But I have to qualify that with the fact that I’m not an expert.
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If Kamara is injured, he’s basically irreplaceable in terms of his ability, but we will need another body in midfield.
Either Hemmings or we go looking for the next Wharton / Anderson type of player. Given that we bid for Gallagher if seems likely someone will come in to bulk up our midfield options.
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Forest sniffing round Tammy Abraham - apparently
Let's get Igor Jesus in, then!
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One of the reports did say that we had beaten off interest from other clubs by offering him a 4.5 year contract.
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I'm considering putting in a Bid for him myself, in the hope that someone might attempt to beat me off.
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If Kamara is injured, he’s basically irreplaceable in terms of his ability, but we will need another body in midfield.
Either Hemmings or we go looking for the next Wharton / Anderson type of player. Given that we bid for Gallagher if seems likely someone will come in to bulk up our midfield options.
It would be too much of an ask to continue to blood Bogarde and then broadly look to do the same with Hemmings.
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I think barkley and Onana would be fine - we just need them to stay fit for long enough
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Hemmings is supposed to be a top talent isn't he? As in, Grealish level prospect?
If that's the case then throw him straight in.
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I think barkley and Onana would be fine - we just need them to stay fit for long enough
Well yeah, but therein lies the problem
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I'm considering putting in a Bid for him myself, in the hope that someone might attempt to beat me off.
Who will pay for the dry cleaning?
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One of the reports did say that we had beaten off interest from other clubs by offering him a 4.5 year contract.
Has anybody explained who we are paying to buy him? He's a Roma registered player, on loan at Besiktas where the option to buy at €11m has been triggered. Therefore, is he essentially now a Besiktas player or still a Roma player? Trying to read between the lines as it seems both clubs want paying. Anybody?
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I'm considering putting in a Bid for him myself, in the hope that someone might attempt to beat me off.
You should be so lucky.
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Forest sniffing round Tammy Abraham - apparently
I would seriously struggle to believe he would consider Forest over Villa.
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One of the reports did say that we had beaten off interest from other clubs by offering him a 4.5 year contract.
Has anybody explained who we are paying to buy him? He's a Roma registered player, on loan at Besiktas where the option to buy at €11m has been triggered. Therefore, is he essentially now a Besiktas player or still a Roma player? Trying to read between the lines as it seems both clubs want paying. Anybody?
..dunno mate but the agent is some guy called Del from Peckham who wants everything in cash ....
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Forest sniffing round Tammy Abraham - apparently
Let's get Igor Jesus in, then!
I wasn’t that impressed with him from
what i saw
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Forest sniffing round Tammy Abraham - apparently
Let's get Igor Jesus in, then!
I wasn’t that impressed with him from
what i saw
You must admit its a hell of a name.
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According to VT Ornstein has said we are considering a move for Dani Ceballos, after missing out on Gallagher, if some straws need to be clutched at....
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i am clutching at paper straws that seems to disintegrate
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Forest sniffing round Tammy Abraham - apparently
Let's get Igor Jesus in, then!
I wasn’t that impressed with him from
what i saw
You must admit its a hell of a name.
oh go on then 😊
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I'm considering putting in a Bid for him myself, in the hope that someone might attempt to beat me off.
Beaten off by Marinakis? Ewww.
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I'm considering putting in a Bid for him myself, in the hope that someone might attempt to beat me off.
Beaten off by Marinakis? Ewww.
Well that’s a vision
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According to VT Ornstein has said we are considering a move for Dani Ceballos, after missing out on Gallagher, if some straws need to be clutched at....
Swear he's linked for a move every window but inevitably ends up staying as the injuries kick in and he proves his worth...
Sounds perfect!
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Mateta could be in his way out of Palace. If it wasn’t for PSR, he’d be my choice.
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The player has stated he wants to join a current CL club.
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I don't rate him at all.
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he is just a big bully 🤔😃
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Cabellos would be really good signing in the current circumstances. Good for Europe, knows Emery, prem experience.
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Cabellos would be really good signing in the current circumstances. Good for Europe, knows Emery, prem experience.
Worth €30m?
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he was at Arsenal ? vaguely remember the name
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Cabellos would be really good signing in the current circumstances. Good for Europe, knows Emery, prem experience.
Worth €30m?
Be about £8 with his contract wouldn't it!? In short, no at 28/29.
Rumours Tammy might be going to another club who can offer more, possibly Palace.
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Well if all Abraham is interested is money and he'd rather join a team that is losing it's manager and it's star players then he's a joke anyway.
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he is just a big bully 🤔😃
Yes but wasn't it established that we need a bald replacement for Malen?
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Well if all Abraham is interested is money and he'd rather join a team that is losing it's manager and it's star players then he's a joke anyway.
Is he?
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I'm considering putting in a Bid for him myself, in the hope that someone might attempt to beat me off.
Beaten off by Marinakis? Ewww.
Any port in a storm.
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Just lie back and think of Demis Roussous.
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he was at Arsenal ? vaguely remember the name
Yep, under Emery
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I think barkley and Onana would be fine - we just need them to stay fit for long enough
And there is the dilemma! Which is why we were looking at Gallagher
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The revisionism has started.
A big piece on the BBC about how well Man City’s finances are managed and how brilliant they are in the transfer market.
It’s like nothing ever happened.
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No questioning as to how their finances are in such a position or mention of court cases that have been dragging on for years. Just they're in a great position and are managing it all fantastically and can buy lots more if they want to. It's pathetic. That Maguire bloke is a right sycophantic cock too, definitely a Sky 6 fan.
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Hmmm, I thought that cash fucked up for that one. Rewriting history if Lindy takes any flak for that particular goal.
No, not at all. Yes it was a big fuck up by Cash but watch Lindelof's hesitation in going across to provide any sort of doubt in Cunha's mind. What was needed was a full Mings type intervention.
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Hemmings is supposed to be a top talent isn't he? As in, Grealish level prospect?
If that's the case then throw him straight in.
I agree, let’s have a look at him and Bogarde together.
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The revisionism has started.
A big piece on the BBC about how well Man City’s finances are managed and how brilliant they are in the transfer market.
It’s like nothing ever happened.
I unfortunately read that too.
On Talksport last night I heard that stoopid Chelsea fan / journalist 'Rory Jennings' (yes I had to look up his name) pontificating about how well Manchester City had spent during this transfer window.
And then he said that Guardiola was the only 'elite' manager in the premier league.
The BBC article noted that they have spent £414 million in the past 12 months!
Elite? If we could have spent half of that we would be winning the league.
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The revisionism has started.
A big piece on the BBC about how well Man City’s finances are managed and how brilliant they are in the transfer market.
It’s like nothing ever happened.
and if you mention the charges in the comments they delete it.
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Guardiola is elite but his skill set and challenge is different to 99% of managers. His main jobs are to harness massive egos and maintain their performance levels, rather than developing players.
Not many can do it, look how many managers Man U, Spurs and Chelsea have burnt through, despite spending a tonne. Real Madrid and Liverpool might join them having just had periods of continuity.
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Send Guardiola to Sheff Weds with no budget and see how good he is.
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Send Guardiola to Sheff Weds with no budget and see how good he is.
I reckon he would do okay.
I wish a top manger would do something like this. Take mourinho, he’s run out of big clubs to manage. He should pluck a club in a nice city and see how far he can take them. He could even bring along Disney (or whoever) to make a documentary and bump his salary.
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Send Guardiola to Sheff Weds with no budget and see how good he is.
I reckon he would do okay.
I wish a top manger would do something like this. Take mourinho, he’s run out of big clubs to manage. He should pluck a club in a nice city and see how far he can take them. He could even bring along Disney (or whoever) to make a documentary and bump his salary.
Didn’t he lead Porto to Champions League though.
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Yep. Mourinho has actually achieved something, Guardiola hasn't.
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They both have.
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Mourinho winning a Champions League with Porto is miles more impressive than flat track bully whinging about squad depth and spending half a billion in a year.
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Porto had already won the European Cup. They were already giants.
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To say Guardiola isn’t one of the greatest managers of all time is just bonkers. The amount of acolytes and impact he’s had on the game is pretty evident. He’s managed big teams and spent lots of money but that’s true of lots of top managers.
There are different types of managers. Clearly he’s brilliant with elite clubs. Emery is elite with top clubs that are one rung down and gets them to punch above their weight. Both would probably struggle with elements if you got them to manage Kidderminster, although I still expect that they’d do well.
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Send Guardiola to Sheff Weds with no budget and see how good he is.
I reckon he would do okay.
I wish a top manger would do something like this. Take mourinho, he’s run out of big clubs to manage. He should pluck a club in a nice city and see how far he can take them. He could even bring along Disney (or whoever) to make a documentary and bump his salary.
I like Jose, but he did that with Spurs and failed.
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Guardiola is elite but his skill set and challenge is different to 99% of managers. His main jobs are to harness massive egos and maintain their performance levels, rather than developing players.
Yup. Context is important, and it's unrealistic to suggest that every manager should be able to manage at every club to be considered 'good'.
It doesn't diminish Guardiola's skill to say he might not succeed at Burnley (or wherever).
Assuming any lower league manager could manage 'elite' clubs is also assuming the jobs are the same, when in reality they are wildly different. There's probably only a very small subset of managers who could *actually* succeed at Real Madrid - where the combo of politics and ego management is surely almost all of the job. Sure, almost all managers would love players with the level of skill they have access to, but tolerance for underperformance is almost zero, and coaching requirements quite different (ie. The information Modric needs to do his role not the same as [random player at relegation struggling team] ).
For a specific type of job there is no manager greater than Ancelotti - but I'm not sure anyone really thinks he'd be a success managing a mid-table club with players less gifted than surrounding teams. His greatest skill is choosing the right jobs, IMO.
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Porto had already won the European Cup. They were already giants.
The game already massively changed since their last European Cup win. They're the only team not from one of the massive leagues to have won it in the last thirty years. Much more impressive than winning leagues in cheat mode.
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Guardiola is obviously a good manager, but he was parachuted into managing Barcelona first after a year of managing the B team. Mourinho had a couple of positions before managing Porto, and he took them over in 5th place in the Portuguese league. Yes, they had previously been European Champions, but before the CL was introduced. His victory with Porto is the clear outlier in terms of the profile of winner since Red Star, with perhaps the exception of Ajax and Dortmund - but these were both in the early days of the CL. Nothing had come close since.
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Send Guardiola to Sheff Weds with no budget and see how good he is.
Exactly. His measure of true coaching and managerial capability will never surpass people like Cloughie and Sir Ron and dare I say Unai.
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He is obviously a good coach but they never discuss all the players that failed at high cost
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Hemmings is supposed to be a top talent isn't he? As in, Grealish level prospect?
If that's the case then throw him straight in.
I agree, let’s have a look at him and Bogarde together.
Being honest that’s the type of thing lower mid-table, relegation candidates do. If we want to compete in the second half of the season in and around where we are right now, Bogarde’s minutes should be controlled and Hemmings should be very limited. That’s not a criticism of either, they’re both developing players (albeit at different stages), but I would suggest them playing a lot will not be a good thing for us in the short-term.
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Didn’t Liverpool throw Fowler and Owen in and Man Utd with Beckham, Scholes etc? Surely if they are good enough and knocking on the door we could?
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Not many chuck players into the middle of midfield though.
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True, shame though the way it’s gone.
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You have to be exceptionally good and the middle of the park is easily the hardest place to do it.
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You have to be exceptionally good and the middle of the park is easily the hardest place to do it.
Central midfield and defence are the positions where decision making is the most important - and most costly for errors - thus, more values lies in experience. Obviously, this creates a vicious cycle, but I don't think it's an accident how slowly Bogarde has been eased into frontline duty.
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Send Guardiola to Sheff Weds with no budget and see how good he is.
Exactly. His measure of true coaching and managerial capability will never surpass people like Cloughie and Sir Ron and dare I say Unai.
Clough always spent shitloads of money tbf.
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Porto had already won the European Cup. They were already giants.
They won in 86-87 with on English teams and the easiest run to the final ever recorded. even in the final Bayern were missing three key players. The tripe eaters got lucky.
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Amongst the chaos, we should try and sign Amad off Man U. Decent right winger and also plays wing back.
I reckon Emery would make him decent.
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Amongst the chaos, we should try and sign Amad off Man U. Decent right winger and also plays wing back.
I reckon Emery would make him decent.
He’s already decent, he’s a very good player.
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Porto had already won the European Cup. They were already giants.
Like saying the same about us when Dr Jo took over ;D
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Porto had already won the European Cup. They were already giants.
Like saying the same about us when Dr Jo took over ;D
And what would have been wrong?
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Back to Tammy, the president of Besiktas has said "“There are no other players offered. If that comes, we will sit down and think about it. There is no player in the offer we received. There are players that the technical staff want from Aston Villa. We conveyed it to them.” My guess is Watkins, Buendia and Morgan Rogers. We'd still have to convince Guessand to go there should we throw his name forward or he may have refused which would explain the quote above.
Despite warming to the option of Tammy joining us, he's far technically skilled than I thought (though that may has been before his injury), he does play for the team, happy whoever scores and his experience in Italy was not wasted, it does seem a tough deal for us to make or at least an expensive one. Having to pay both clubs seems ridiculous. Besiktas have us over a barrel as we're paying them not to activate the right to buy clause and they want paying handsomely.
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Back to Tammy, the president of Besiktas has said "“There are no other players offered. If that comes, we will sit down and think about it. There is no player in the offer we received. There are players that the technical staff want from Aston Villa. We conveyed it to them.” My guess is Watkins, Buendia and Morgan Rogers. We'd still have to convince Guessand to go there should we throw his name forward or he may have refused which would explain the quote above.
Despite warming to the option of Tammy joining us, he's far technically skilled than I thought (though that may has been before his injury), he does play for the team, happy whoever scores and his experience in Italy was not wasted, it does seem a tough deal for us to make or at least an expensive one. Having to pay both clubs seems ridiculous. Besiktas have us over a barrel as we're paying them not to activate the right to buy clause and they want paying handsomely.
Bailey, Sancho and Elliott would benefit from time at Besiktas (although the latter 2 would be difficult deals to construct ). Any other player from the main first-team squad would have to be a no-no.
I hope we have a decent alternative to Tammy lined up ...
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Back to Tammy, the president of Besiktas has said "“There are no other players offered. If that comes, we will sit down and think about it. There is no player in the offer we received. There are players that the technical staff want from Aston Villa. We conveyed it to them.” My guess is Watkins, Buendia and Morgan Rogers. We'd still have to convince Guessand to go there should we throw his name forward or he may have refused which would explain the quote above.
Despite warming to the option of Tammy joining us, he's far technically skilled than I thought (though that may has been before his injury), he does play for the team, happy whoever scores and his experience in Italy was not wasted, it does seem a tough deal for us to make or at least an expensive one. Having to pay both clubs seems ridiculous. Besiktas have us over a barrel as we're paying them not to activate the right to buy clause and they want paying handsomely.
Just out of interest , and i admit i don't know how the loan agreement works but couldn't Abraham just turn down the move to Besiktas ?
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So is Tammy coming or not?
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Back to Tammy, the president of Besiktas has said "“There are no other players offered. If that comes, we will sit down and think about it. There is no player in the offer we received. There are players that the technical staff want from Aston Villa. We conveyed it to them.” My guess is Watkins, Buendia and Morgan Rogers. We'd still have to convince Guessand to go there should we throw his name forward or he may have refused which would explain the quote above.
Despite warming to the option of Tammy joining us, he's far technically skilled than I thought (though that may has been before his injury), he does play for the team, happy whoever scores and his experience in Italy was not wasted, it does seem a tough deal for us to make or at least an expensive one. Having to pay both clubs seems ridiculous. Besiktas have us over a barrel as we're paying them not to activate the right to buy clause and they want paying handsomely.
Just out of interest , and i admit i don't know how the loan agreement works but couldn't Abraham just turn down the move to Besiktas ?
He's already met the requirements for him to sign permanently
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Back to Tammy, the president of Besiktas has said "“There are no other players offered. If that comes, we will sit down and think about it. There is no player in the offer we received. There are players that the technical staff want from Aston Villa. We conveyed it to them.” My guess is Watkins, Buendia and Morgan Rogers. We'd still have to convince Guessand to go there should we throw his name forward or he may have refused which would explain the quote above.
Despite warming to the option of Tammy joining us, he's far technically skilled than I thought (though that may has been before his injury), he does play for the team, happy whoever scores and his experience in Italy was not wasted, it does seem a tough deal for us to make or at least an expensive one. Having to pay both clubs seems ridiculous. Besiktas have us over a barrel as we're paying them not to activate the right to buy clause and they want paying handsomely.
Just out of interest , and i admit i don't know how the loan agreement works but couldn't Abraham just turn down the move to Besiktas ?
He's already met the requirements for him to sign permanently
So hes already agreed to join them ?
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He agreed to join them when he agreed to the terms of the loan.
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He agreed to join them when he agreed to the terms of the loan.
Thanks i wasn't 100% certain..
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So is Tammy coming or not?
In the words of Jimmy Rabbitt, "I'm fucked if I know, Terry".
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We're in catch 22 really.....
Loan/sell Malen to guarantee income before spending a shitload on Tammy, but on the flipside, this means we're now even more desperate to get his replacement in, so both Roma and Besiktas can pull our pants down over Tammy.
Fuck PSR.
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Dealing with a Turkish club then you have to have a plan B because their window dates are generally massively out of sync & the goalposts move so much
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Send Guardiola to Sheff Weds with no budget and see how good he is.
I reckon he would do okay.
I wish a top manger would do something like this. Take mourinho, he’s run out of big clubs to manage. He should pluck a club in a nice city and see how far he can take them. He could even bring along Disney (or whoever) to make a documentary and bump his salary.
Maradona to Napoli, at a player level, took them up a few notches almost single handed.
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🚨 Aston Villa have enquired about Raphael Onyedika's situation.
@sachatavolieri
🚨 Youssef En-Nesyri has been proposed to Aston Villa.
@MatteMoretto
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Anyone proposed to us - no thanks.
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Isn’t that Nesyri quite good / been around at a good level for a while?
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🚨 Youssef En-Nesyri has been proposed to Aston Villa.
@MatteMoretto
It's just a ploy to unsettle him before the Europa League game. We're taking a leaf out the Yanited playbook.
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🚨 Aston Villa have enquired about Raphael Onyedika's situation.
@sachatavolieri
On the plus side, his full name is Raphael Onyedika Nwadike, so we can call him RON.
On the downside, he's a MON. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Niger
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I don’t know anything about these 2 , forgive my ignorance and good looks
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Isn’t that Nesyri quite good / been around at a good level for a while?
Decent as Seville, thought he was older than he is then realised I was getting him confused with the Iranian bloke Taremi.
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He agreed to join them when he agreed to the terms of the loan.
Thanks i wasn't 100% certain..
Similar to Elliott, if he's not happy becoming a Villa player after ten matches, he says so before all those contracts are signed, not after the ten games have happened.
Same with Abraham at Besiktas.
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Anyone proposed to us - no thanks.
Allow me to propose a player for you, think you may like, Carlos Forbs at FC Brugge. Wolves had him for a while but like Vitinha, didn't know what to do with him. He's now 21 (22 in March), just broke into the Portuguese national squad and ticks so many boxes for us. Plays left wing but just as good on the right, at a push you could use him down the middle, ridiculously fast, skillfull and knows where the goal is. I'd try and buy him now whilst we still have the chance. A bit of a Morgan Rogers moment.
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Sounds good!
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Anyone proposed to us - no thanks.
Allow me to propose a player for you, think you may like, Carlos Forbs at FC Brugge. Wolves had him for a while but like Vitinha, didn't know what to do with him. He's now 21 (22 in March), just broke into the Portuguese national squad and ticks so many boxes for us. Plays left wing but just as good on the right, at a push you could use him down the middle, ridiculously fast, skillfull and knows where the goal is. I'd try and buy him now whilst we still have the chance. A bit of a Morgan Rogers moment.
Didn’t he score a hat trick against Barcelona in the Champions League earlier this season?
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When did Wolves last not have a Portugeezer playing for them? And you still cant get a decent custard tart in the Mander Centre.
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Anyone proposed to us - no thanks.
Allow me to propose a player for you, think you may like, Carlos Forbs at FC Brugge. Wolves had him for a while but like Vitinha, didn't know what to do with him. He's now 21 (22 in March), just broke into the Portuguese national squad and ticks so many boxes for us. Plays left wing but just as good on the right, at a push you could use him down the middle, ridiculously fast, skillfull and knows where the goal is. I'd try and buy him now whilst we still have the chance. A bit of a Morgan Rogers moment.
Didn’t he score a hat trick against Barcelona in the Champions League earlier this season?
Should have, just the two and an assist.
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8 years in the Man City academy, so very much a Morgan Rogers moment.
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Onyedika, Kalulu and Schafer all linked through the bbc gossip page.
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Are they the joint-favourites in the 3pm at Leopardstown tomorrow?
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Oneyidika was excellent against us I'm sure for Brugge, him and the right back that has gone to a prem club I think. Centre half was good too. Decent place to improve yourself clearly.
A mid, striker and winger before the end of the window very much needed.
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Oneyidika was excellent against us I'm sure for Brugge, him and the right back that has gone to a prem club I think.
De Cuyper is at Brighton now, but he's a left back I think
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Oneyidika was excellent against us I'm sure for Brugge, him and the right back that has gone to a prem club I think.
De Cuyper is at Brighton now, but he's a left back I think
That's him. Was he left back? Just remembered him being a real outlet for them.
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Onyedika, Kalulu and Schafer all linked through the bbc gossip page.
Schade? Brentford? Very impressive lately. Would cost a fortune I reckon.
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Onyedika, Kalulu and Schafer all linked through the bbc gossip page.
Schade? Brentford? Very impressive lately. Would cost a fortune I reckon.
highly rated and predicted to become a top payer. I think he currently plays on the wing, but experts reckon he’ll move to striker once Thiago leaves. I can’t remember the expert, but they basically said “save yourself some money and sign Schade rather than Thiago”
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Yeah, I liked their South American CB too. Was from somewhere like Ecuador.
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What about the little Albino from Palace who always turns into Prime Zidane whenever we play them ?
Will Hughes could step into our team to give cover in our current emergency and be a great squad man.
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What about the little Albino from Palace who always turns into Prime Zidane whenever we play them ?
Will Hughes could step into our team to give cover in our current emergency and be a great squad man.
IMO we have Barkley for that role and we shouldn’t put too many blockers in the way of Hemmings/Bogarde/Aloba etc.
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I did say for our current emergency.
Barkley doesn’t play anywhere near enough games and we need experience right now.
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Is Toronto on the Spurs message boards too?
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Hughes isn’t good enough.
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Hughes isn’t good enough.
No where near good enough
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I did say for our current emergency.
Barkley doesn’t play anywhere near enough games and we need experience right now.
I get your thinking as the fucker comes with his own exclusion zone but I reckon the Palace board risk lynching if they flog anyone else.
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Yeah, I liked their South American CB too. Was from somewhere like Ecuador.
Ordonez? He looked absolute quality when we played them….surprised he didn’t move upwards in the summer
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Hughes isn’t good enough.
No where near good enough
Every time I watch Palace I wonder how he even makes it into their side.
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Yeah, I liked their South American CB too. Was from somewhere like Ecuador.
Ordonez? He looked absolute quality when we played them….surprised he didn’t move upwards in the summer
Speculation said he was destined for Liverpool. Exactly the profile we should be targeting. An understudy to Konsa and could grow to replace Konsa/Pau as they get older.
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What about the little Albino from Palace who always turns into Prime Zidane whenever we play them ?
Will Hughes could step into our team to give cover in our current emergency and be a great squad man.
The Jokes thread is in ‘Off Topic’, mate.
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Yeah, Hughes is a clogger. Don't spoil the show for the love of some albino.
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Hughes isn’t good enough.
No where near good enough
Every time I watch Palace I wonder how he even makes it into their side.
I think he’s there to do the dirty work for Wharton. He does a reasonable job of that but he’s not what we need.
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Yeah, Hughes is a clogger. Don't spoil the show for the love of some albino.
I will repair your bicycle, eamonn.
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Surprised Ordonez is still at Brugge. He was meant to be joining Marseille. We should get him either to provide competition to Konsa or replace him if we have to sell him (supposedly dragging his feet on signing a new deal and Liverpool meant to be interested).
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Surprised Ordonez is still at Brugge. He was meant to be joining Marseille. We should get him either to provide competition to Konsa or replace him if we have to sell him (supposedly dragging his feet on signing a new deal and Liverpool meant to be interested).
I'd guess that seeing your international partner get £300k a week is going to turn your head a bit.
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Surprised Ordonez is still at Brugge. He was meant to be joining Marseille. We should get him either to provide competition to Konsa or replace him if we have to sell him (supposedly dragging his feet on signing a new deal and Liverpool meant to be interested).
I'd guess that seeing your international partner get £300k a week is going to turn your head a bit.
Yep, I think he sees that he could be part of England's first-choice defence this summer, and if we do well, his personal value will skyrocket. Still a lot of football to play before then though...
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I’m confused, who are we talking about?
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Transfers are for other clubs. That’s it. Fuck off you massive massive ******. It is not fair. It is not fair. It is not. Fair.
But there ya go.
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We need someone. Summer was a total bust and now injuries are piling up.
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Can we sign some fucking players we can or will actually use now.
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Can we sign some fucking players we can or will actually use now.
Don't be daft. The backroom staff at Rayo Vallecano will be rubbing their hands at the thought of our latest Samoan recruit making themselves comfortable in their physio's office. He'll probably bring some Toffos to share.
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Can we sign some fucking players we can or will actually use now.
Someone on twitter has done a fairly agricultural but decently accurate run down of our last 10 transfers. It is genuinely scary reading. We desperately need 3-4 hits.
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Can we sign some fucking players we can or will actually use now.
Someone on twitter has done a fairly agricultural but decently accurate run down of our last 10 transfers. It is genuinely scary reading. We desperately need 3-4 hits.
Can you share that please, for those of us who don’t want to venture into that cesspit ?
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We need a repeat of last Jan and not the Summer Transfer window, which is looking an almighty cock up!
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I think we have to take some risks with PSR now. If it means we have to make a Douglas Luiz style panic sale in June then fine, but we're in a position to have our best season for about 35 years, which will all fall to shit if we don't sign two or three players pretty fucking quickly.
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Forward, midfielder and wide player needed asap.
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We bought a broken wide player didn't we?
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Can we sign some fucking players we can or will actually use now.
Don't be daft. The backroom staff at Rayo Vallecano will be rubbing their hands at the thought of our latest Samoan recruit making themselves comfortable in their physio's office. He'll probably bring some Toffos to share.
Ooh Toffos. Them and a packet of Pacers, now you're talking.
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Basically this is the jist:
Malen - Gone
Asensio - loan - didn’t buy
Rashford - loan - didn’t buy -
Sancho - poor
Guessand - poor (being kind)
Elliot - disaster - who? is he at Villa? Would surely have been a good option yesterday? Emery obviously not a fan
Lindelof - backup - best of the summer ones!
Bizot - backup
Alysson - 18, Brazilian - future - not seen yet
Madjo - future - not seen yet -
When you look at that 10 players, the fact only 1 is actually contributing this season is quite scary. Rashford did well but got injured and cost a lot of money for a short period. Overall we need 3-4 hits in the market that actually contribute to the side, sharpish.
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When you look at that 10 players, the fact only 1 is actually contributing this season is quite scary.
Two. Bizot's contributed this season as much as Lindelof has.
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I guess getting Asensio, Malen, Rashford and Disasi is the thing that contributed to us getting fined and put under the transfer "embargo" by UEFA?
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Elliott we should do all we can to either send him back or enable him to play.
Sancho isn't doing anything of note.
Guessand had some potential, but we need something now.
We need a;
Striker, Abraham perhaps.
Winger; someone with pace, please!
Winger; someone who can a) keep the ball & b) do something with the ball.
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When you look at that 10 players, the fact only 1 is actually contributing this season is quite scary.
Two. Bizot's contributed this season as much as Lindelof has.
Agreed.
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Blues can spend more than us this January. It just doesn't make sense...
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Reports indicate that Garcia has gone on loan to Elche with an option to buy.
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Don’t worry konsa can cover that position perfectly fine.
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That is three down on our Euro squad. Will we be replacing any of them?
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if Carlsbergs did Mondays and not shit beers 🤔😃
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Basically this is the jist:
Malen - Gone
Asensio - loan - didn’t buy
Rashford - loan - didn’t buy -
Sancho - poor
Guessand - poor (being kind)
Elliot - disaster - who? is he at Villa? Would surely have been a good option yesterday? Emery obviously not a fan
Lindelof - backup - best of the summer ones!
Bizot - backup
Alysson - 18, Brazilian - future - not seen yet
Madjo - future - not seen yet -
When you look at that 10 players, the fact only 1 is actually contributing this season is quite scary. Rashford did well but got injured and cost a lot of money for a short period. Overall we need 3-4 hits in the market that actually contribute to the side, sharpish.
Harsh on Bizot there ...
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Reports indicate that Garcia has gone on loan to Elche with an option to buy.
If he has gone is this looking like a clear out of our choosing, or do the financials not look good?
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I think Vinnie said the PSR part was not the issue. SCR appears to be killing us. I still don’t quite get it though.
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I really don't get how, after shedding so many players and so much in wages, having increased income massively, not spending big on players etc, we are still hitting the PSR limits.
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Reports indicate that Garcia has gone on loan to Elche with an option to buy.
Not that he’s been getting much of a look in through injury and Cash’ great form but that seems a bit silly. Diminishing the squad further and it’s another position that we’ll need to get a replacement in for.
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I think Vinnie said the PSR part was not the issue. SCR appears to be killing us. I still don’t quite get it though.
I’m sure we can’t get near the 70% wages to revenue that SCR needs if we were flirting around the PSR 90% previously.
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I really don't get how, after shedding so many players and so much in wages, having increased income massively, not spending big on players etc, we are still hitting the PSR limits.
The UEFA fine and subsequent restrictions are the issue.
https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/029b-1e280b615680-700e46bcfcfa-1000/aston_villa_summary_version_3-year_sa_20250704174251.pdf
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We don't need to get to 70% but an agreed figure lower then the current one with the aim of getting to 70 within the three seasons. However paying Sancho £300k a week probably hasn't helped towards that and with Malen one of our top earners, it isn't a surprise he has been sacrificed.
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I guess getting Asensio, Malen, Rashford and Disasi is the thing that contributed to us getting fined and put under the transfer "embargo" by UEFA?
Happy to be corrected but think main issue was wage/turnover ratio the previous season we finished 4th. Loans like Lenglet and Zaniolo weren't cheap. Obviously last January we went full on drunken gambler and threw those expensive chips in, nearly paid off but reckless in the circumstances.
I'm not a fan of loans in to be honest. Fine when we were trying to get promoted but if the player does well like Rashford they go elsewhere. If they stink it out like Disasi it's far from free too. At least with Lindelof we have showed a bit of faith in him with a proper contract and he has done well. Sancho, with his contract up in the summer, was always going to be high risk for that reason alone.
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Reports indicate that Garcia has gone on loan to Elche with an option to buy.
Not that he’s been getting much of a look in through injury and Cash’ great form but that seems a bit silly. Diminishing the squad further and it’s another position that we’ll need to get a replacement in for.
Maybe not, but after a long unjury layoff he had re-established himself in the squad.
I thought he was starting to look ok before he was injured and a real prospect.
RB cover for cash includes Bogarde, Konsa and Lindelof, but no specialist.
But with our injury record that always seems to effect a whole ‘department’ at the same time time, I’m sure we’ll be ok.
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Sancho's £160000 a week, (£8.3M for the year ffs) ....and the money we are paying Elliot, to not even be included in match day squads is looking like gross incompetence in the current circumstances. Malen being sacrificed for this pair, even if he was frustrated at game time,
is criminal.
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We don't need to get to 70% but an agreed figure lower then the current one with the aim of getting to 70 within the three seasons. However paying Sancho £300k a week probably hasn't helped towards that and with Malen one of our top earners, it isn't a surprise he has been sacrificed.
Paying Sancho £300k a week definitely won’t help, but it would be pretty stupid considering we are supposed to pay him ‘only’ £160k a week.
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We don't need to get to 70% but an agreed figure lower then the current one with the aim of getting to 70 within the three seasons. However paying Sancho £300k a week probably hasn't helped towards that and with Malen one of our top earners, it isn't a surprise he has been sacrificed.
Paying Sancho £300k a week definitely won’t help, but it would be pretty stupid considering we are supposed to pay him ‘only’ £160k a week.
We are paying 80% of his wages and most report he is on between 250k to 350k a week. So 200k minimum, but even on your figure he is one of the highest wages at the club which considering his contribution so far isn't helping us with Salary Cost Ratios.
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1 win in 8 without Kamara. I wonder how many of those Onana has also been out at the same time. Hi fitness record is becoming a real problem for us. A genuine Kamara backup seems a must right now, alongside a winger and a striker. Out wide I would also get Bailey back in the squad until the summer just for options.
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How much are we paying Guessand, Sancho and Elliott - it must be the thick end of £300k a week? When SCR was already biting us, they are three horrific drains on what we're allowed to pay-out on salaries.
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Kamara and McGinn going down in 2 games has to impact the window targets…before last Saturdays game I was definitely a 9 and some real pace out wide….do we need to add a centre mid to the list now?
Suspect bodymoor is gonna be hectic in next 10 days or so….at least hope it is
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Is there any hope of Emery and Elliot agreeing to put the past behind them? He starts on Thursday if so. His treatment just seems self defeating really and I thought that before McGinn's injury.
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Kamara and McGinn going down in 2 games has to impact the window targets…before last Saturdays game I was definitely a 9 and some real pace out wide….do we need to add a centre mid to the list now?
Suspect bodymoor is gonna be hectic in next 10 days or so….at least hope it is
If we could get the holding mid from Brugge I think he'd be a great bit of business.
Striker wise, I'm coming round to the idea of Abraham to give genuine competition for Watkins.
Out wide, anyone with pace.
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Is there any hope of Emery and Elliot agreeing to put the past behind them? He starts on Thursday if so. His treatment just seems self defeating really and I thought that before McGinn's injury.
Maybe he's just a bit shit in training?
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Is there any hope of Emery and Elliot agreeing to put the past behind them? He starts on Thursday if so. His treatment just seems self defeating really and I thought that before McGinn's injury.
Maybe he's just a bit shit in training?
Maybe but no way he's worse than the other two.
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Kamara and McGinn going down in 2 games has to impact the window targets…before last Saturdays game I was definitely a 9 and some real pace out wide….do we need to add a centre mid to the list now?
Suspect bodymoor is gonna be hectic in next 10 days or so….at least hope it is
Out wide, anyone with pace.
Come back Adama. All is fogiven.
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Is there any hope of Emery and Elliot agreeing to put the past behind them? He starts on Thursday if so. His treatment just seems self defeating really and I thought that before McGinn's injury.
This is purely and simply down to Emery not wanting, or us not being able, to pay the price that was agreed for him. They've not fallen out etc.
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Is there any hope of Emery and Elliot agreeing to put the past behind them? He starts on Thursday if so. His treatment just seems self defeating really and I thought that before McGinn's injury.
Surely a pragmatic solution is to buy the clause out to optional and use the player. It's a total shambles if he sits out another 16 games while we need forward options.
This is purely and simply down to Emery not wanting, or us not being able, to pay the price that was agreed for him. They've not fallen out etc.
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Am I missing anything, but couldn't we played him and have triggered this £30M clause and then tried to improve him then sell him on at a profit anyway?
Unless of course, Emery just doesn't see the potential in the player.
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He very clearly can’t see potential. That much is obvious.
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Is there any hope of Emery and Elliot agreeing to put the past behind them? He starts on Thursday if so. His treatment just seems self defeating really and I thought that before McGinn's injury.
Surely a pragmatic solution is to buy the clause out to optional and use the player. It's a total shambles if he sits out another 16 games while we need forward options.
This is purely and simply down to Emery not wanting, or us not being able, to pay the price that was agreed for him. They've not fallen out etc.
And if you are Liverpool it probably doesn’t make sense to agree to a clause change or a return of Elliott…when the loan was agreed they wouldn’t have seen us as a rival but we are the direct target for them now so why would they agree to termination or changing the clause…it suits them that we are hamstrung by having him as we can’t get another domestic loan in. And with the way they are allowed to splash the cash getting 35m from us or 20m from someone else in the summer is no skin off their nose. Pretty sure they won’t give a toss about the players preferences either. Can see a scenario where we get to the day after the window shuts here he goes on loan to MLS….that way he gets football but we aren’t able to use that loan slot up. Ball is definitely not in our court on this one.
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As desperate as it sounds I would get Bailey back!
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Yeah, I liked their South American CB too. Was from somewhere like Ecuador.
Ordonez? He looked absolute quality when we played them….surprised he didn’t move upwards in the summer
That's the fella, yes.
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Depressingly quiet out there today. Appreciate that we're not rushing into anything daft, but I'd have expected a little more noise about a deal for Tammy at the very least, even with the complications.
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Not sure what the delay is. Phone his agent, ask if he wants to sign and whether he would accept the wages we are offering. If he says no, move on to next target. We cannot be pissing about last day of the transfer window signing cast-offs again.
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Perhaps some complications with regards the loan with option agreement from Roma? Praying it's got nothing to do with the 2-3 other clubs who've registered interest since last week...
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Perhaps some complications with regards the loan with option agreement from Roma? Praying it's got nothing to do with the 2-3 other clubs who've registered interest since last week...
Not panicking just yet, Abraham accords can be a tricky business.
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could it be that there priorities have chanegd with McGinn potentially out too
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I don't think there'd be problems on the Roma side, they hold his registration but are obliged to sell to Besiktas for €11m. Besiktas however want, either Guessand on an 18 month loan and/or €18m - if reports in Turkey are to be believed. We've told them the Guessand loan is too long. No mention of money.
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Not panicking just yet, Abraham accords can be a tricky business.
Exactly, it must be done by the book and I am going to keep taking the tablets.
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I don't think there'd be problems on the Roma side, they hold his registration but are obliged to sell to Besiktas for €11m. Besiktas however want, either Guessand on an 18 month loan and/or €18m - if reports in Turkey are to be believed. We've told them the Guessand loan is too long. No mention of money.
18 months is fine, we will just have to suffer Evann's absence.
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This love triangle with Basiktas and Roma isn’t a healthy relationship. If Guessand is the stumbling block to get Tammy in now that we’ve let Malen go then it makes our summer transfer business look even worse than how astronomically shite we already know it was.
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I don't think there'd be problems on the Roma side, they hold his registration but are obliged to sell to Besiktas for €11m. Besiktas however want, either Guessand on an 18 month loan and/or €18m - if reports in Turkey are to be believed. We've told them the Guessand loan is too long. No mention of money.
18 months is fine, we will just have to suffer Evann's absence.
I wonder if we've offered Guessand to the Saudi team who wanted him last summer and were willing to more than match our offer?
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His stock isn’t going to be particularly high given how he’s started at Villa.
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Not panicking just yet, Abraham accords can be a tricky business.
Exactly, it must be done by the book and I am going to keep taking the tablets.
Let’s pray it goes through
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His stock isn’t going to be particularly high given how he’s started at Villa.
...it's the best for everyone if he gets on the Saudi gravy train....
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No.
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We don't need to get to 70% but an agreed figure lower then the current one with the aim of getting to 70 within the three seasons. However paying Sancho £300k a week probably hasn't helped towards that and with Malen one of our top earners, it isn't a surprise he has been sacrificed.
Paying Sancho £300k a week definitely won’t help, but it would be pretty stupid considering we are supposed to pay him ‘only’ £160k a week.
I agree that paying Sancho £300k/week when we only have to pay him £160k/week would indeed be gross incompetence.
I do wonder though, with him being paid weekly, does he have to go to the cash desk or do they bring it round to him in a little envelope? And does he get it all as 3200 x £50 notes or do they break up some of it to tens and twenties, maybe a fiver and then five £1s so he can put them in the little slot they have on shopping trolleys? Cos it’d be a right pain in the arse if you got to the trolleys at Lidl and you only have a big pile of £50 notes … no danger of getting the cashier to break one of those for you!
Guess I’ll never understand the lives of footballers.
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His stock isn’t going to be particularly high given how he’s started at Villa.
...it's the best for everyone if he gets on the Saudi gravy train....
Oxoford United might be interested.
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Purely speculation but do we go for Hayden Hackney this window? It just feels like we need a solid DCM to cover both Onana and Kamara.
Barkley could be dangled as a carrot to reduce the financial impact. I reckon £20-25m plus Barkley would be about right.
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£18m for Abraham apparently, 4.5 year deal.
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Purely speculation but do we go for Hayden Hackney this window? It just feels like we need a solid DCM to cover both Onana and Kamara.
Barkley could be dangled as a carrot to reduce the financial impact. I reckon £20-25m plus Barkley would be about right.
Is he more of an 8/10 than a 6?
We need a presence in there for sure.
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£18m for Abraham apparently, 4.5 year deal.
Hmmmmm
Tammy and Ollie to rotate for the next few years whilst the big 17 year old grows up?
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£18m for Abraham apparently, 4.5 year deal.
Hmmmmm
Tammy and Ollie to rotate for the next few years whilst the big 17 year old grows up?
It's not a huge fee really but still 4-5M more than I would pay for him.
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Purely speculation but do we go for Hayden Hackney this window? It just feels like we need a solid DCM to cover both Onana and Kamara.
Barkley could be dangled as a carrot to reduce the financial impact. I reckon £20-25m plus Barkley would be about right.
Is he more of an 8/10 than a 6?
We need a presence in there for sure.
Transfermarkt have him listed as a DCM and the show reel I saw - when we were linked in the summer - showed him as a deep CM. More recently I’ve read he’s a bit lightweight/poor defensively, so who knows.
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We don't need to get to 70% but an agreed figure lower then the current one with the aim of getting to 70 within the three seasons. However paying Sancho £300k a week probably hasn't helped towards that and with Malen one of our top earners, it isn't a surprise he has been sacrificed.
Paying Sancho £300k a week definitely won’t help, but it would be pretty stupid considering we are supposed to pay him ‘only’ £160k a week.
I agree that paying Sancho £300k/week when we only have to pay him £160k/week would indeed be gross incompetence.
I do wonder though, with him being paid weekly, does he have to go to the cash desk or do they bring it round to him in a little envelope? And does he get it all as 3200 x £50 notes or do they break up some of it to tens and twenties, maybe a fiver and then five £1s so he can put them in the little slot they have on shopping trolleys? Cos it’d be a right pain in the arse if you got to the trolleys at Lidl and you only have a big pile of £50 notes … no danger of getting the cashier to break one of those for you!
Guess I’ll never understand the lives of footballers.
My god - its not the 1980s.
Hell get paid weekly by cheque. Thats why he couldnt play on Sunday - the queue in the Nationwide was bloody massive.
He's a doubt for Thursday, cos the cheque clears then and he'll need to go back in and get his rent out in cash, plus money for the meter.
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£18m for Abraham apparently, 4.5 year deal.
Hmmmmm
Tammy and Ollie to rotate for the next few years whilst the big 17 year old grows up?
It's not a huge fee really but still 4-5M more than I would pay for him.
If it locks down that position for a few years then it’s a great investment (think Welbeck). If we are trying to shift both in the summer to create headroom for a new striker, then its a disaster because their vaoue will only decrease from here.
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I think Ollie might be off in the summer and we would get someone else in.
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I think Ollie might be off in the summer and we would get someone else in.
maybe but who would buy him? We’d want a decent chunk of cash to justify the disruption it might cause. Whilst he isn’t perfect, the team has been built around what he can do.
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We don't need to get to 70% but an agreed figure lower then the current one with the aim of getting to 70 within the three seasons. However paying Sancho £300k a week probably hasn't helped towards that and with Malen one of our top earners, it isn't a surprise he has been sacrificed.
A mere £165k pw apparently
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£18m for Abraham apparently, 4.5 year deal.
Hmmmmm
Tammy and Ollie to rotate for the next few years whilst the big 17 year old grows up?
It's not a huge fee really but still 4-5M more than I would pay for him.
Isn't there also a fee to Roma we'd have to pay?
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£18m for Abraham apparently, 4.5 year deal.
Hmmmmm
Tammy and Ollie to rotate for the next few years whilst the big 17 year old grows up?
It's not a huge fee really but still 4-5M more than I would pay for him.
Isn't there also a fee to Roma we'd have to pay?
Don’t think so. they’re paying Roma 11m and we are instantly giving them “18m”. So they get 7m profit, with no risk.
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Didn’t realize until now or quite possibly forgotten that he scored 26 goals in 40 games for us.
And 21 goals in 58 appearances for Chavski, also 17 goals in his first season at Roma.
I’m ok with 18 million for a player with premier league and European experience, plus he knows us well and will settle quick.
No brainer for me.
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WESTON MCKENNIE EATS BIG DINNERS.
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Didn’t realize until now or quite possibly forgotten that he scored 26 goals in 40 games for us.
And 21 goals in 58 appearances for Chavski, also 17 goals in his first season at Roma.
I’m ok with 18 million for a player with premier league and European experience, plus he knows us well and will settle quick.
No brainer for me.
Me too. Will lift the mood.
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Didn’t realize until now or quite possibly forgotten that he scored 26 goals in 40 games for us.
And 21 goals in 58 appearances for Chavski, also 17 goals in his first season at Roma.
I’m ok with 18 million for a player with premier league and European experience, plus he knows us well and will settle quick.
No brainer for me.
Precisely. This notion he hasn’t done it in the PL isn’t factual. Plus having other top league experienced, CL and Europa experience and national team. For that price for a back up or a proper contender to Ollie which he needs is a good pick at that price.
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He's certainly looking a more attractive option as each day goes by.
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Compared to the clown show of Sancho, Elliot and Guessand, Abraham at £18M will be a steal. Gives Ollie a rest when needed as he ain't superman. We have got ourselves into a huge mess with injuries and panic buys in the summer not contributing. We desperately need CL football next season to keep the wolf from the door.
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Who's left from when he was here last time, Ty and Ginny?
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Who's left from when he was here last time, Ty and Ginny?
..correct..
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From the Mail
West Ham and Aston Villa midfield target Quinten Timber was left out of Feyenoord’s starting team on Sunday night amid talks over his future. Marseille have made an offer to the Dutch club.
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Marseille have practically signed him haven't they? Looks a good player.
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Midfielder eh…
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Are we going to pick up Tammy Abraham on the way on Thursday ?
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Kidnap him and leave Guessand behind in a Tammy cosplay disguise.
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I think Ollie might be off in the summer and we would get someone else in.
Off where though? He's 30 and still has over two years left on his contract.
Think we and Ollie both missed the boat on a move this time last year when Arsenal were in for him and Duran was flying.
Ollie doesnt have Kane's technical ability obviously but he's never really had many injuries. Think he will stay playing at a decent PL level for another few years yet.
Cant afford to start Ollie during the week.
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Turkish press reporting Villa officials heading over there today to make a formal offer. Besiktas reportedly want €20m.
Apparently player has agreed to 4m a year wages, 75k a week.
Not a terrible deal all things considered.
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Turkish press reporting Villa officials heading over there today to make a formal offer. Besiktas reportedly want €20m.
Apparently player has agreed to 4m a year wages, 75k a week.
Not a terrible deal all things considered.
Those figures look pretty reasonable (by PL standards).
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We have to sign a midfielder now - not going to be as good as Kamara, obviously, but that’s a massive gap. Onana can help, but he has to stay fit.
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We have to sign a midfielder now - not going to be as good as Kamara, obviously, but that’s a massive gap. Onana can help, but he has to stay fit.
The rules won’t allow us to spend the kind of money we would need to spend to get close to replacing Kamara and SJM.
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...and Onana staying fit is a big 'if' as well, given his unfortunate track record.
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We need to sort the Elliot situation out and get a couple of loans in. CF, winger and a DM ideally.
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step up young Georgey Boy
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We have to sign a midfielder now - not going to be as good as Kamara, obviously, but that’s a massive gap. Onana can help, but he has to stay fit.
The rules won’t allow us to spend the kind of money we would need to spend to get close to replacing Kamara and SJM.
Loan from abroad it is then.
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We have to sign a midfielder now - not going to be as good as Kamara, obviously, but that’s a massive gap. Onana can help, but he has to stay fit.
The rules won’t allow us to spend the kind of money we would need to spend to get close to replacing Kamara and SJM.
Obviously, but let's say we got the lad from Brugge, he'd be around £20-25M but wages shouldn't be huge.
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Hoping we can act swiftly and decisively, club will need something positive to lift spirits
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We need to sort the Elliot situation out and get a couple of loans in. CF, winger and a DM ideally.
If Liverpool are smart they’ll probably leave him with us. We’re rivals for a Champions League spot, we are under real stress, and Elliott being here constrains our ability to address our immediate issues.
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Need to try and get Onana AND McGinn back playing ASAP.
The Kamara news undoubtedly changes our transfer window plans.
Obviously continue chasing Tammy Abraham, but now we need to bring in a midfielder - Gallagher would have been good (but we got outbid), so - either somebody similar for a small fee (one that doesn't screw us via UEFA's sanctions) or on a loan.
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Loan to buy style deal must be the way we will go.
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Loan to buy style deal must be the way we will go.
yep put it on the credit card
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Loan to buy style deal must be the way we will go.
And just hope that the people we're negotiating with don't ask too many questions about how Harvey Elliott is getting on.
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Loan to buy style deal must be the way we will go.
And just hope that the people we're negotiating with don't ask too many questions about how Harvey Elliott is getting on.
who ?? ::)
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I mentioned Manioo a a couple weeks back. See he walked straight back into their side under Carrick. Would have been ideal.
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I mentioned Manioo a a couple weeks back. See he walked straight back into their side under Carrick. Would have been ideal.
Maybe, but even if he wasn't playing - we couldn't sign him on loan, and we couldn't afford to spend tens of millions buying him.
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Once again, it comes down to what we are going to be allowed to do under the UEFA sanctions, and no one seems to be clear what that actually means.
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Once again, it comes down to what we are going to be allowed to do under the UEFA sanctions, and no one seems to be clear what that actually means.
Pretty sure it’s not have a negative transfer spend and keep within agreed plan for wages.
Plus we can’t do anything in terms of domestic loans unless Elliott goes, which I can’t see.
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I mentioned Manioo a a couple weeks back. See he walked straight back into their side under Carrick. Would have been ideal.
Maybe, but even if he wasn't playing - we couldn't sign him on loan, and we couldn't afford to spend tens of millions buying him.
The Sancho and Elliot deals look terrible now. Elliot could actually be very useful at the moment.
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Once again, it comes down to what we are going to be allowed to do under the UEFA sanctions, and no one seems to be clear what that actually means.
Pretty sure it’s not have a negative transfer spend and keep within agreed plan for wages.
Plus we can’t do anything in terms of domestic loans unless Elliott goes, which I can’t see.
We'll we've already spent £15m or so on 2 more kids that aren't going to contribute. If that's the case it has to be loans. Our transfer business really is shit masked over by Unai.
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Well this has gone to shit a bit hasn't it?
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Not domestic loans, because we can’t do them.
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Over to the transfer guys now, it's about time they pulled something out the bag instead of living off Emery's abilities.
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I mentioned Manioo a a couple weeks back. See he walked straight back into their side under Carrick. Would have been ideal.
Maybe, but even if he wasn't playing - we couldn't sign him on loan, and we couldn't afford to spend tens of millions buying him.
The Sancho and Elliot deals look terrible now. Elliot could actually be very useful at the moment.
The way we've treated him, Elliott would have to be very fair minded to be interested in playing for us.
He's made 5 appearances thus far so we can only play him 4 more times otherwise the purchase obligation is triggered.
Guess we could try and renegotiate with Liverpool and get the buy obligation removed? Then we could play him and he would then go back to them in the summer as a more saleable asset - certainly more so than somebody who's only made 5 appearances in a whole season.
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We have to sign a midfielder now - not going to be as good as Kamara, obviously, but that’s a massive gap. Onana can help, but he has to stay fit.
The rules won’t allow us to spend the kind of money we would need to spend to get close to replacing Kamara and SJM.
How much did those 2 cost us? It's not impossible to pull something out the bag.
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Yeah but Liverpool know we’re a hurdle for Champions League qualification. I wouldn’t help us, especially as our approach to the deal that was agreed is obviously questionable.
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I mentioned Manioo a a couple weeks back. See he walked straight back into their side under Carrick. Would have been ideal.
Maybe, but even if he wasn't playing - we couldn't sign him on loan, and we couldn't afford to spend tens of millions buying him.
The Sancho and Elliot deals look terrible now. Elliot could actually be very useful at the moment.
The way we've treated him, Elliott would have to be very fair minded to be interested in playing for us.
He's made 5 appearances thus far so we can only play him 4 more times otherwise the purchase obligation is triggered.
Guess we could try and renegotiate with Liverpool and get the buy obligation removed? Then we could play him and he would then go back to them in the summer as a more saleable asset - certainly more so than somebody who's only made 5 appearances in a whole season.
Given the league table, it's probably more in Liverpool's interest to make our transfer dealings more difficult by just leaving things as they are.
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Does anyone know if the obligation clause can be altered outside of the transfer window? IF it can, then you could imagine Liverpool agreeing it then, otherwise, not so much. The £30m or whatever it is, is chicken feed to them, fucking us over in the hunt for 3rd is worth more.
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Does anyone know if the obligation clause can be altered outside of the transfer window? IF it can, then you could imagine Liverpool agreeing it then, otherwise, not so much. The £30m or whatever it is, is chicken feed to them, fucking us over in the hunt for 3rd is worth more.
I've said this before, but even if we could remove the obligation to buy clause (maybe by paying a 'loan fee' instead), then we'd still be left with a player who already knows the manager doesn't want him - which is unlikely to bring out the best in him on the pitch. I'm sure he's a good guy, and a good professional, but would you really expect him to be putting in 100% in those circumstances? I know I'd find it difficult.
Sadly, the best solution is for him to go back to Liverpool, even if we're paying a chunk of his wages for the rest of the season, to free up a loan space that is increasingly looking essential.
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Does anyone know if the obligation clause can be altered outside of the transfer window? IF it can, then you could imagine Liverpool agreeing it then, otherwise, not so much. The £30m or whatever it is, is chicken feed to them, fucking us over in the hunt for 3rd is worth more.
I'm more concerned about the hunt for 5th.
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And let’s be clear, it’s “not fucking us over” really - it’s just maintaining terms to a deal we set up and agreed. If they help us we’ll be very fortunate, and I can’t see it. This again goes back to our transfer strategy issues - obviously the rules constrain us, but we are also making, or have made, poor decisions.
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Does anyone know if the obligation clause can be altered outside of the transfer window? IF it can, then you could imagine Liverpool agreeing it then, otherwise, not so much. The £30m or whatever it is, is chicken feed to them, fucking us over in the hunt for 3rd is worth more.
I've said this before, but even if we could remove the obligation to buy clause (maybe by paying a 'loan fee' instead), then we'd still be left with a player who already knows the manager doesn't want him - which is unlikely to bring out the best in him on the pitch. I'm sure he's a good guy, and a good professional, but would you really expect him to be putting in 100% in those circumstances? I know I'd find it difficult.
Sadly, the best solution is for him to go back to Liverpool, even if we're paying a chunk of his wages for the rest of the season, to free up a loan space that is increasingly looking essential.
Perhaps, although him also knowing he's not wanted there, and unlikely to ghet game time, means staying with us puts him in the shop window.
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And let’s be clear, it’s “not fucking us over” really - it’s just maintaining terms to a deal we set up and agreed. If they help us we’ll be very fortunate, and I can’t see it. This again goes back to our transfer strategy issues - obviously the rules constrain us, but we are also making, or have made, poor decisions.
100%. It's all on us.
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It makes the selling of Malen even more ridiculous. We have weakened the squad without any forseeable incomings, bargain basement deals again it seems.
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If Onana and Barkely are close, it might impact the type of midfielder we look for.
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So having already helped us once in which we ending up fucking them over we now want Liverpool to help us again?
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It makes the selling of Malen even more ridiculous. We have weakened the squad without any forseeable incomings, bargain basement deals again it seems.
Well, he'd probably have gone anyway, especially in light of the injury news.
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Abraham very close according to that bloke who was on about Gallagher. Italian journo fella. I am being very descriptive.
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We will have Abraham in by the weekend I'm sure of that.
Dani Ceballos anyone?
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We will have Abraham in by the weekend I'm sure of that.
Dani Ceballos anyone?
Yeah, assuming we can pay his wages.
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Liverpool aren’t going to be in any rush to help us and who can blame them. Our most realistic hope seems to be they drop the mandatory purchase clause and we have to re-integrate Elliott through until the summer. That all still feels unlikely.
I’d imagine Liverpool are looking at our growing injury issues and thinking they’ll wait this out right until the end of the window. See if we blink first.
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Get Dougie in on loan if Forest are sending him back. I appreciate the fact that Forest might send him back is somewhat of a red flag.
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Does anyone know if the obligation clause can be altered outside of the transfer window? IF it can, then you could imagine Liverpool agreeing it then, otherwise, not so much. The £30m or whatever it is, is chicken feed to them, fucking us over in the hunt for 3rd is worth more.
Sure it can be, one things for sure their is a player at stake here, both clubs have treated him appallingly, he could go on to losing a whole season in his career which he may never recover from, either Liverpool should do the right thing and take him back, play him, or agree new terms with Villa and let Villa play him, its obvious to Liverpool the state we are in, if they are holding out until the last minute of the transfer window to gain some kind of rubbish strategy over Villa, pathetic, he's very highly rated, my mate who is a Liverpool fan said he should never have been sold, really good player, needs to be sorted.
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Get Dougie in on loan if Forest are sending him back. I appreciate the fact that Forest might send him back is somewhat of a red flag.
Is there any suggestion that they can, or want to send him back?
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I can't help thinking that chasing after someone that wanted to leave and has been shit since leaving may not be the answer.
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It's no ones fault but ours.
Yeah the terms for Elliot where shit, but we agreed to them. Whether it's in the best interest of the player or not, Liverpool have every right to tell us to fuck off.
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Sure it can be, one things for sure their is a player at stake here, both clubs have treated him appallingly
What do you think Liverpool have done here to "treat him appallingly"?
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Our car crash of a summer window is properly biting us on the arse now. It's rabbits and hats time.
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again it is a deal that everyone accepted and this could have been the potential outcome . Sadly everyone has suffered on this
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Get Dougie in on loan if Forest are sending him back. I appreciate the fact that Forest might send him back is somewhat of a red flag.
Is there any suggestion that they can, or want to send him back?
My Forest supporting friend seems to think they want to. No idea what his source is. Can't find anything online other than other Forest fans speculating that they might.
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The summer was on reflection poor. Lindelof a d Bizot notwithstanding. If that is all we'd done, bizarrely we'd be saying the same thing, despite Gussand, Elliot and Sancho.
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I see Bournemouth have just signed a Hungarian international midfield player for £10m. Aged 20. Bet he'll be great.
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Get Dougie in on loan if Forest are sending him back. I appreciate the fact that Forest might send him back is somewhat of a red flag.
Is there any suggestion that they can, or want to send him back?
My Forest supporting friend seems to think they want to. No idea what his source is. Can't find anything online other than other Forest fans speculating that they might.
Id bring him back for sure. But more to replace Barkley really. Id bring back Ramsey too, technically that can be done I think.
Neither help fill the Kamara sized hole in our midfield though, even at their best. Can't even start thinking about McGinn being out for medium/long term.
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I see Bournemouth have just signed a Hungarian international midfield player for £10m. Aged 20. Bet he'll be great.
I like the strikers they have
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Get Dougie in on loan if Forest are sending him back. I appreciate the fact that Forest might send him back is somewhat of a red flag.
Is there any suggestion that they can, or want to send him back?
My Forest supporting friend seems to think they want to. No idea what his source is. Can't find anything online other than other Forest fans speculating that they might.
Thought the suggestion on his clause was that he had to play 45 minutes + of a certain amount of games to trigger obligation hence why he is sub and comes on for 35 mins each week as Forest don’t want to play the obligation fee?
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Id bring him back for sure. But more to replace Barkley really. Id bring back Ramsey too, technically that can be done I think.
Well if we want to spend £50 mill I assume technically it can be done.
(It will be how much extra Newcastle drop on top for a desperate team minus what they owe us and with the player then potentially getting the wage boost he wanted but I suspect it will totally fuck up our accounts for UEFA).
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Bailey on his way back.
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Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
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Leon Bailey leaves AS Roma and returns to Aston Villa from initial loan with immediate effect.
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Wonder if he is on his way somewhere else?
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we just need bodies ,
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I'd be trying to end Ruben Neves saudi nightmare by bringing him back to the prem. I'd also see if Ngolo Kante has anything left in the tank. Give them the "we can win the title with you" speil
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Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
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Leon Bailey leaves AS Roma and returns to Aston Villa from initial loan with immediate effect.
Has anyone ever tried him at CDM??!
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Would welcome Bailey back as an option to be honest. Signal that Guessand is likely going.
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If we want to sell him in the summer a run of a few games could help him and us.
He'll probably go back out on loan though.
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Wooosh! Imagine Sancho, Bailey and Guessand all having to play....nightmare.
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Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
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Leon Bailey leaves AS Roma and returns to Aston Villa from initial loan with immediate effect.
Has anyone ever tried him at CDM??!
Those crunching tackles 💪
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🚨🟣🔵 Aston Villa are advancing in talks with Besiktas to get Tammy Abraham deal done.
Agreement sealed with the player as Tammy opened doors to #AVFC move.
Club to club talks moving fast, not done yet but well underway.
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Not being funny but Leon could be very useful in the Europa League games and off the bench in the league.
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The most pertinent question regarding Bailey is is he fit?
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Will that mean Baileys wages are back on the books for PSR, or did they never leave anyway?
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Fully fit playing well Leon is an excellent option, but he hasn’t been that for a long while.
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Maybe Bailey to Besiktas oils the wheels of the Tammy deal?
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Can Konsa play CDM, I think he may have played higher up in his youth....
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Can Bizot play in midfield?
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Can Konsa play CDM, I think he may have played higher up in his youth....
Pau Torres with his range of passing has always struck me as someone who would be comfortable in that role
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Can Konsa play CDM, I think he may have played higher up in his youth....
I also think linderloff can play there too, Dougie back would be elite in the current situation especially if we can get a silly option to buy or obligation that we can circumvent in the way forest were.
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I’m happy to see Bailey back if that’s true. I just hope it’s a happy and fit version of him.
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It’s not ideal, but I’d rather Bailey than Guessand.
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I’m happy to see Bailey back if that’s true. I just hope it’s a happy and fit version of him.
Ah, in which case I have bad news.
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one Leon. Bailey , there’s only One leon bailey. , one Leon Bail……
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The most pertinent question regarding Bailey is is he fit?
He's fit but he knows it.
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Maybe Bailey to Besiktas oils the wheels of the Tammy deal?
They want Guessand, don't they? He can go there now we've got his predecessor back.
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Not being funny but Leon could be very useful in the Europa League games and off the bench in the league.
Will have to wait until Feb for UEFA league. We have Elliot and Malen spots to replace plus Kamara now. Garcia was also rumoured to be leaving but we start losing even more of our first team squad then.
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I’m happy to see Bailey back if that’s true. I just hope it’s a happy and fit version of him.
Ah, in which case I have bad news.
What more bad news Dave? I’m not sure if I can take it. Talk about January blues.
This must be how BC Villain and Goldie feel permanently.
I think I might remain in Off Topic for the remainder of the season.
Edit, regarding Off Topic, just remembered Trump’s trying to cause WW3. Ffs!
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I see Bournemouth have just signed a Hungarian international midfield player for £10m. Aged 20. Bet he'll be great.
Who put the ball in the Magyars net? Troy the hat-trick Parrott!
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Lindelof might be used as a defensive midfielder.
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I’m happy to see Bailey back if that’s true. I just hope it’s a happy and fit version of him.
Ah, in which case I have bad news.
What more bad news Dave? I’m not sure if I can take it. Talk about January blues.
Just that we won't be getting back a fit and happy version of Bailey. He's been injured for 17 of Roma's 28 matches this season.
So even if he weren't actually injured, I can't imagine he's as his absolute happiest.
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but what does his dad say ?
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I’m happy to see Bailey back if that’s true. I just hope it’s a happy and fit version of him.
Ah, in which case I have bad news.
What more bad news Dave? I’m not sure if I can take it. Talk about January blues.
Just that we won't be getting back a fit and happy version of Bailey. He's been injured for 17 of Roma's 28 matches this season.
So even if he weren't actually injured, I can't imagine he's as his absolute happiest.
Ok, lets be positive.
On his day he was very good.
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I think I’d sell a full back now and get money in for a midfielder.
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I think I’d sell a full back now and get money in for a midfielder.
Which one?
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I think I’d sell a full back now and get money in for a midfielder.
Which one?
I’d leave that others but it may be a case of whichever one can attract interest and enough money. I would certainly prioritise the midfield.
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I think I’d sell a full back now and get money in for a midfielder.
Which one?
I’d leave that others but it may be a case of whichever one can attract interest and enough money. I would certainly prioritise the midfield.
I guess depends just how stretched we are financially.
If we are, Digne or Garcia.
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I think I’d sell a full back now and get money in for a midfielder.
This is a transfer window, not Tescos.
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Bailey at his most depressingly shit, is better than Guessand trying to pull up trees. This is seemingly where we are.
Was ambivalent about Tammy coming last week, this week, it feels the second fooking coming.
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How much do you get for a kidney these days? Asking for a friend.
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Maybe Bailey to Besiktas oils the wheels of the Tammy deal?
They want Guessand, don't they? He can go there now we've got his predecessor back.
Couldn't we just drop him off in Istanbul on Thursday and save on the return flight ?
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I think I’d sell a full back now and get money in for a midfielder.
Which one?
I’d leave that others but it may be a case of whichever one can attract interest and enough money. I would certainly prioritise the midfield.
I guess depends just how stretched we are financially.
If we are, Digne or Garcia.
Elche have been linked with García. Their transfer budget consists of some old pesetas and a donkey from the next village across from Alicante.
We won't get our money back on him currently, he'll be loaned-out like the last young lad we had there, Neddy Noodle.
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Maybe Bailey to Besiktas oils the wheels of the Tammy deal?
They want Guessand, don't they? He can go there now we've got his predecessor back.
Couldn't we just drop him off in Istanbul on Thursday and save on the return flight ?
Parachute as we fly over the ground.
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I think I’d sell a full back now and get money in for a midfielder.
Which one?
I’d leave that others but it may be a case of whichever one can attract interest and enough money. I would certainly prioritise the midfield.
I guess depends just how stretched we are financially.
If we are, Digne or Garcia.
Elche have been linked with García. Their transfer budget consists of some old pesetas and a donkey from the next village across from Alicante.
We won't get our money back on him currently, he'll be loaned-out like the last young lad we had there, Neddy Noodle.
I suspect it would have to be Digne or Maatsen although we’d struggle to get back anything like what we paid for him!
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I’d absolutely prefer Bailey to Guessand but that’s more about my complete lack of faith in the latter coming good. He’s just not going to, and at lest Bailey has shown he can, albeit a good while ago.
Letting Malen go looks dumber by the day.
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I’m happy to see Bailey back if that’s true. I just hope it’s a happy and fit version of him.
Ah, in which case I have bad news.
What more bad news Dave? I’m not sure if I can take it. Talk about January blues.
Just that we won't be getting back a fit and happy version of Bailey. He's been injured for 17 of Roma's 28 matches this season.
So even if he weren't actually injured, I can't imagine he's as his absolute happiest.
I'm only jesting Dave. I'm just trying to bury my head in the sand and dreaming of that lesser spotted version of Bailey that once played rather well.
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🚨🟣🔵 Aston Villa are advancing in talks with Besiktas to get Tammy Abraham deal done.
Agreement sealed with the player as Tammy opened doors to #AVFC move.
Club to club talks moving fast, not done yet but well underway.
We need a striker.
NOBODY START A THREAD UNTIL HE ACTUALLY SIGNS.
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Here's a thought, what about training guessing as a right back? Lol
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Here's a thought, what about training guessing as a right back? Lol
Said that all week. He'd make a great right back.
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Guessand - Bogarde - Tielemans - Bailey
It could happen.
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Here's a thought, what about training guessing as a right back? Lol
Here's a thought, what about training guessing as a right back? Lol
Said that all week. He'd make a great right back.
The other day Grealish literally walked past Guessand while the latter was in a right back position. He’d be a shit right back, worse than he is now.
literally walked
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Guessand - Bogarde - Tielemans - Bailey
It could happen.
Elite 11th to 15th PL level.
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Here's a thought, what about training guessing as a right back? Lol
Said that all week. He'd make a great right back.
Based on what though, that he runs around a bit? None of his defensive play has ever struck me as anything more than a bog standard hard working RW tracking back. Nothing special at all.
I can't see him offering anywhere near what Cash does. Cash can run, get to the byline and cross, cut back on his left and put a ball in, can actually kick a football.
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Henry Winter's thoughts on the Abraham move. https://x.com/henrywinter/status/2013615156513624478
Looks like he's a fan of Tammy's.
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At the risk of continuing this weeks grim negativity, its not a great deal is it, he's done ok in Turkey, as expected, so they buy for €11m. And we buy for €20m because he's done enough to trigger the first €11m deal.
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Henry Winter's thoughts on the Abraham move. https://x.com/henrywinter/status/2013615156513624478
Looks like he's a fan of Tammy's.
I think he's a much better forward than he's given credit for. And he's been a little forgotten while being away in Italy and Turkey. He'll provide us with a really good option up front. A different type of player to Ollie who needs competition.
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Abraham very close according to that bloke who was on about Gallagher. Italian journo fella. I am being very descriptive.
Fabrizio !!
https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/2013593462168232440?s=46&t=jo4adbG13BgBUR97pIGxUA
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At the risk of continuing this weeks grim negativity, its not a great deal is it, he's done ok in Turkey, as expected, so they buy for €11m. And we buy for €20m because he's done enough to trigger the first €11m deal.
It's less than I expected and from reports in Turkey they initially wanted €30m. I do think there's plenty of room in our scouting though not to mention player contracts. Do we really need to pay ridiculous salaries just to prove we're a big club? A rethink on both is needed on both if we are to progress.
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Tammy, Bailey, a winger and a midfielder.
Add Hemmings and the other two kids into that and it doesn't look so bad.
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Henry Winter's thoughts on the Abraham move. https://x.com/henrywinter/status/2013615156513624478
Looks like he's a fan of Tammy's.
I think he's a much better forward than he's given credit for. And he's been a little forgotten while being away in Italy and Turkey. He'll provide us with a really good option up front. A different type of player to Ollie who needs competition.
7 goals all season in Turkiye, same as Watkins who does a lot more. Is Tammy a better player than when he last played for us?
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Ornstein at the Athletic says we have an interest in Mateta and they like Guessand
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Henry Winter's thoughts on the Abraham move. https://x.com/henrywinter/status/2013615156513624478
Looks like he's a fan of Tammy's.
I think he's a much better forward than he's given credit for. And he's been a little forgotten while being away in Italy and Turkey. He'll provide us with a really good option up front. A different type of player to Ollie who needs competition.
7 goals all season in Turkiye, same as Watkins who does a lot more. Is Tammy a better player than when he last played for us?
His first season at Roma was excellent. He suffered that ACL injury and went out to Milan and then to Bestiktas. He was signed for Roma by Mourinho in 2021 but since then, they have had 4 managers with different styles. So he lost his way at Roma. Even at Besiktas in the time he has been there they have OGS and now Yalcin.
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Ornstein at the Athletic says we have an interest in Mateta and they like Guessand
That could just about be the thing to send that lot over the edge.
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Ornstein at the Athletic says we have an interest in Mateta and they like Guessand
I think the Palace Managers head would actually explode
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Ornstein at the Athletic says we have an interest in Mateta and they like Guessand
The last bit of that sentence makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
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Henry Winter's thoughts on the Abraham move. https://x.com/henrywinter/status/2013615156513624478
Looks like he's a fan of Tammy's.
I think he's a much better forward than he's given credit for. And he's been a little forgotten while being away in Italy and Turkey. He'll provide us with a really good option up front. A different type of player to Ollie who needs competition.
7 goals all season in Turkiye, same as Watkins who does a lot more. Is Tammy a better player than when he last played for us?
Probably yes, and does Watkins do a lot more? I've watched clips of Tammy rolling his marker and beating players with skill, I can't remember the last time Ollie did, if ever. Don't get me wrong, I'm not really having a go at Ollie, just we may be underestimating what Abraham could bring.
I did think the other day though had we have been able to sign Tammy when we came up we'd most likely never have signed Ollie.
Had we been able to sign Tammy when we came up Watkins would never have played for us.
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Ornstein at the Athletic says we have an interest in Mateta and they like Guessand
If they are trying to get Glasner to walk then it's a good idea
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Henry Winter's thoughts on the Abraham move. https://x.com/henrywinter/status/2013615156513624478
Looks like he's a fan of Tammy's.
I think he's a much better forward than he's given credit for. And he's been a little forgotten while being away in Italy and Turkey. He'll provide us with a really good option up front. A different type of player to Ollie who needs competition.
7 goals all season in Turkiye, same as Watkins who does a lot more. Is Tammy a better player than when he last played for us?
Probably yes, and does Watkins do a lot more? I've watched clips of Tammy rolling his marker and beating players with skill, I can't remember the last time Ollie did, if ever. Don't get me wrong, I'm not really having a go at Ollie, just we may be underestimating what Abraham could bring.
I did think the other day though had we have been able to sign Tammy when we came up we'd most likely never have signed Ollie.
Had we been able to sign Tammy when we came up Watkins would never have played for us.
Abraham brings something similar but different, and he plays where Ollie plays, or can go wider, rather than the other way around. This makes sense to me.
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Ornstein at the Athletic says we have an interest in Mateta and they like Guessand
The last bit of that sentence makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Oi! Shut it! Are they willing to add some cash too? Great player Evann Guessand. Holte End hero.
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Mateta anyone? Money plus Guessand
https://x.com/david_ornstein/status/2013631376159879363?s=46
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Mateta anyone? Money plus Guessand
https://x.com/david_ornstein/status/2013631376159879363?s=46
Don't you dare...
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They're offering us Mateta for £30m, or £40m plus Guessand.
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talk about feast or famine with strikers
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Mateta anyone? Money plus Guessand
https://x.com/david_ornstein/status/2013631376159879363?s=46
Don't you dare...
dare what? start a thread like I did with Emery, Martinez, Rashford, Konsa or Ollie?
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If it is a swap deal UEFA will probably start dismantling the stands.
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Mateta anyone? Money plus Guessand
https://x.com/david_ornstein/status/2013631376159879363?s=46
Don't you dare...
dare what? start a thread like I did with Emery, Martinez, Rashford, Konsa or Ollie?
Jeez, bit touchy...
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If it is a swap deal UEFA will probably start dismantling the stands.
We'll have our pitch salted.
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Yes please to Mateta.
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Mateta anyone? Money plus Guessand
https://x.com/david_ornstein/status/2013631376159879363?s=46
Don't you dare...
dare what? start a thread like I did with Emery, Martinez, Rashford, Konsa or Ollie?
Jeez, bit touchy...
I think we are all abit on the brink !
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Yes please to Mateta.
If we got Mateta I think that would cause an interesting reaction from people who were aghast at losing Malen.
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I'm PRAYING that there's genuinely something in this... amazing deal if we could do it, he's a quality player.
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As a pessimist, I’m going to say that the Mateta talk is to out pressure on Besiktas. We wouldnt buy both, surely?
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I don’t really think Mateta is all that, but if it got rid of Guessand as well…
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As a pessimist, I’m going to say that the Mateta talk is to out pressure on Besiktas. We wouldnt buy both, surely?
Yeah, it doesn't really add up.
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Can people stop slagging guessand off for the time being please.
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I'd be amazed if Palace let Mateta go this month after selling Guehi. Their fans would be in uproar.
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I'd be amazed if Palace let Mateta go this month after selling Guehi. Their fans would be in uproar.
It’s like some sort of fire sale over there. Wharton next?
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As a pessimist, I’m going to say that the Mateta talk is to out pressure on Besiktas. We wouldnt buy both, surely?
I'm sure I read that Palace were interested in Tammy, probably as they have one eye on Mateta leaving as he won't sign a new deal. Could be a transfer merry-go-round.
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I'd be amazed if Palace let Mateta go this month after selling Guehi. Their fans would be in uproar.
And we care because?
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I don’t really think Mateta is all that, but if it got rid of Guessand as well…
His conversion rate this season has been virtually the same as Ollie's and was only .7% better last season.
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Feels like vapors, but man alive that announcement would be a real tonic. Think he's a brilliant forward and if I had to pick one from the league outside of the obvious, it'd be him.
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I'd be amazed if Palace let Mateta go this month after selling Guehi. Their fans would be in uproar.
At the weekend Glasner said he was for sale.
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I'd be amazed if Palace let Mateta go this month after selling Guehi. Their fans would be in uproar.
It’s like some sort of fire sale over there. Wharton next?
Would be quite the Bouba replacement...
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I'd be amazed if Palace let Mateta go this month after selling Guehi. Their fans would be in uproar.
You ain’t seen nothing yet if that deal happens. Not too long ago that had Olise and Eze as their main attacking threat….then Guessand turns up!!
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Mateta - a decent player - would force us to change the way we play totally. He's not mobile, just a big strong target man. I just can't see it.
Wharton on the other hand would be a great signing.
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I'd be amazed if Palace let Mateta go this month after selling Guehi. Their fans would be in uproar.
I'd be amazed if Mateta chose to leave Palace now, with a starting spot in the French World Cup team up for grabs and then only a year left on his deal.
You'd imagine he'd have much more attractive options at that point, than fighting Watkins for minutes with us.
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I don’t really think Mateta is all that, but if it got rid of Guessand as well…
His conversion rate this season has been virtually the same as Ollie's and was only .7% better last season.
He has been a one in three man his entire career. If he came here and replicated that we’d all be happy. My only reservation is his age. No resale value.
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I don’t really think Mateta is all that, but if it got rid of Guessand as well…
His conversion rate this season has been virtually the same as Ollie's and was only .7% better last season.
Do you know what, I'm not even interested in that, I'm here for the way nobody gets the ball off the big bastard. It's the coughing up the ball under no pressure, leaving us open to the counter that pisses me off more than any missed chances.
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I'd be amazed if Palace let Mateta go this month after selling Guehi. Their fans would be in uproar.
I'd be amazed if Mateta chose to leave Palace now, with a starting spot in the French World Cup team up for grabs and then only a year left on his deal.
You'd imagine he'd have much more attractive options at that point, than fighting Watkins for minutes with us.
Yeah I can’t really see how it makes sense to him.
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Mateta - a decent player - would force us to change the way we play totally. He's not mobile, just a big strong target man. I just can't see it.
Wharton on the other hand would be a great signing.
Mateta strongly linked with Juventus - and Man City after after Wharton.
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I'd be amazed if Palace let Mateta go this month after selling Guehi. Their fans would be in uproar.
I'd be amazed if Mateta chose to leave Palace now, with a starting spot in the French World Cup team up for grabs and then only a year left on his deal.
You'd imagine he'd have much more attractive options at that point, than fighting Watkins for minutes with us.
Yeah I can’t really see how it makes sense to him.
Which big club can he go to where he won’t have competition for his place? It’s what happens when you join the elite.
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I thought the same about Guehi.
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Palace were reported as being interested in Guessand, then deciding against it as they thought he was overpriced and unsuited to the PL. He's made them look pretty silly hasn't he.
I'm not seeing this at all.
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They've not seen Guessand in a Villa shirt, we've unearthed an gem of a player, we should all just keep schtum.
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If there's any viable mechanism by which they take Guessand for a reasonable price we have to take it, fuck me it's a gift from the Gods.
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If there's any viable mechanism by which they take Guessand for a reasonable price we have to take it, fuck me it's a gift from the Gods.
I’d take £20m and write the rest off.
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This would be the biggest get out of jail free ever if we got Guessand gone with Mateta in.
Bailey being back would make perfect sense of Guessand is off too
It's all a bit too much like something I'd want to see
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If we pulled off that deal I would howl with wild delirium - and Glasner would as well.
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If the world finds out Guessand is available we may have a bidding war on our hands.
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Can someone start a Tammy thread and then we get Mateta under the radar ?
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Can someone start a Tammy thread and then we get Mateta under the radar ?
This one made me howl
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I'd be amazed if Palace let Mateta go this month after selling Guehi. Their fans would be in uproar.
I'd be amazed if Mateta chose to leave Palace now, with a starting spot in the French World Cup team up for grabs and then only a year left on his deal.
You'd imagine he'd have much more attractive options at that point, than fighting Watkins for minutes with us.
Yeah I can’t really see how it makes sense to him.
Which big club can he go to where he won’t have competition for his place? It’s what happens when you join the elite.
There isn't one. But if I were him, I'd be thinking about how I'd likely be a more attractive signing for clubs after a good World Cup and with 12 months left on my deal, rather than having recently broken into the French squad and with 18 months left.
If none of that goes to plan, I imagine we'd still be interested in the summer. But if it does go to plan, he might find that Bayern or Barcelona want to pay him a big fortune to play for them instead of the small fortune we'd pay him now.
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If there's any viable mechanism by which they take Guessand for a reasonable price we have to take it, fuck me it's a gift from the Gods.
Indeed and there was I thinking get Diaby sold with a profit was a miracle. This would be another level. Unfortunately I get the idea this story has been planted to speed up the Abraham deal. I guess we'll soon find out what with everybody in Istanbul today/tomorrow.
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Mateta - a decent player - would force us to change the way we play totally. He's not mobile, just a big strong target man. I just can't see it.
Wharton on the other hand would be a great signing.
Mateta strongly linked with Juventus - and Man City after after Wharton.
Wharton to Man City is an absolute shoe in.
He is one if the best in the league, so those fuckers will hoover him up and he’ll probably play 2 dozen games off and before disappearing like Phillips.
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I think that Mateta might be tempted by us, Europa League, brilliant manager and Champs League on offer next season.
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29 in June apparently. I’m not sure he’s all that great either, but it’d be better than keeping Guessand for sure and if it pissed their drummers off, well that’s an added bonus.
We need a midfielder now more than anything else, and one that is more than likely to immediately be ready for PL action. That’s going to be so hard to pull out the hat with the restrictions on us.
Wharton would be ideal but obviously we won’t be able to spend out money on him.
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I'd be amazed if Palace let Mateta go this month after selling Guehi. Their fans would be in uproar.
And we care because?
I don't.
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Feels like vapors, but man alive that announcement would be a real tonic. Think he's a brilliant forward and if I had to pick one from the league outside of the obvious, it'd be him.
Igor Thiago for me.
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I'm not that gone on Mateta. Great last season but I'm wondering is there a hint of the Chris Wood about him. We don't really go direct to play to his strengths. Suspect it's a bit of a smokescreen to close on Tammy.
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Yes please to Mateta.
If we got Mateta I think that would cause an interesting reaction from people who were aghast at losing Malen.
You’d get the same from me. We need pace and Mateta doesn’t have any. I’d prefer Mateta to Abraham but it’s still insane to sell Malen.
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I don't rate him.
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Mateta in and Guessand out? Arrr gooo on then arrr kid.
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Ornstein doesn't usually report on a transfer unless there's genuinely something in it... only really trust him and Tanswell to call things properly.
If it's simply a rumour to ramp up pressure on the Tammy deal, he probably wouldn't be writing it up...
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Who is going to be cheaper?
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Could be: Beskitas messing us around over Tammy. Kamara injury means we need the cash for a midfielder. Guessand swap deal with Mateta potentially saves some outright cash. Bailey is Guessand’s replacement?
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There's no value in Guessand for us either SCR or PSR wise.
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Wharton is the one we really want. He could cover for Kamara to the level.
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Lots of spinning plates as seems customary with Villa transfer windows nowadays. No wonder it destabilizes the squad a bit .
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I don’t really think Mateta is all that, but if it got rid of Guessand as well…
His conversion rate this season has been virtually the same as Ollie's and was only .7% better last season.
Do you know what, I'm not even interested in that, I'm here for the way nobody gets the ball off the big bastard. It's the coughing up the ball under no pressure, leaving us open to the counter that pisses me off more than any missed chances.
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm aware being a striker is more than just your conversion rate and his all round game may currently be better than Watkins (I have no idea), I just don't think it's necessarily this big jump that people may think.
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Could be: Beskitas messing us around over Tammy. Kamara injury means we need the cash for a midfielder. Guessand swap deal with Mateta potentially saves some outright cash. Bailey is Guessand’s replacement?
I think this is it yeah. It all makes sense - and Bailey even on a bad day we know is better than anything we've seen from Guessand thus far.
We'll probably bring forward any of the money we had earmarked for a midfielder in the summer to now for Kamara cover.
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And saying that, I would much rather have Mateta over Abraham. Sorry Tammy.
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Yep.
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Wharton is the one we really want. He could cover for Kamara to the level.
Even if we had the money we wouldn't get him sadly. Too many clubs in for him it seems and his agent will be putting sly words in his ear no doubt.
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And saying that, I would much rather have Mateta over Abraham. Sorry Tammy.
I agree - also the fact that he's performed well in the PL more recently makes it more sensible as a Jan signing. Unai knows him very well having had to game plan against him for the last 3 years..
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Tammy suits our style of play, Mateta doesn't. However if Guessand is part of the Mateta deal heads will be turned.
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And saying that, I would much rather have Mateta over Abraham. Sorry Tammy.
I agree - also the fact that he's performed well in the PL more recently makes it more sensible as a Jan signing. Unai knows him very well having had to game plan against him for the last 3 years..
We should just take all their players before we face them again.
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I've never been a big fan of Mateta, always thought he look a bit overweight.
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I've never been a big fan of Mateta, always thought he look a bit overweight.
You'd fucking despise most of us then.
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Raphael Onyedika not in the Club Bruges squad today in CL…was another linked for DM role which is now a priority, guess could be injured or being transferred somewhere
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I like Mateta and I think he's do well for us, but he doesn't seem to fit the profile for us does he, big transfer fee, big wages, just this side of 30, no/low resale value.
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Raphael Onyedika not in the Club Bruges squad today in CL…was another linked for DM role which is now a priority, guess could be injured or being transferred somewhere
Is this lad rated? I know nowt about him.
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Wharton is the one we really want. He could cover for Kamara to the level.
Even if we had the money we wouldn't get him sadly. Too many clubs in for him it seems and his agent will be putting sly words in his ear no doubt.
Let me dream please. And no talk of PSR, SCR, P&O, ER, please.
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Raphael Onyedika not in the Club Bruges squad today in CL…was another linked for DM role which is now a priority, guess could be injured or being transferred somewhere
Is this lad rated? I know nowt about him.
He was linked with us and Galatasaray earlier in the week
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Ok, if we get Onyedika and Tammy in this window I’ll be happy.
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Can’t see Mateta happening
Tanswell is always talking about how we’re fluid and flexible in the market. I imagine Besiktas aren’t budging in the Tammy fee, and or Guessand won’t go there, so we’re exploring other options.
Seems this one is because Palace wanted Guessand in the Summer and Mateta only has 18 months left.
While he’d be a good acquisition, and cutting our losses with Guessand, it seems like paying money + Guessand would be about £40m worth of investment in a 28 year old. Is that the right approach really?
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Raphael Onyedika not in the Club Bruges squad today in CL…was another linked for DM role which is now a priority, guess could be injured or being transferred somewhere
Is this lad rated? I know nowt about him.
He was linked with us and Galatasaray earlier in the week
But is he any good?
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Yes please to Mateta.
If we got Mateta I think that would cause an interesting reaction from people who were aghast at losing Malen.
They'd be happy with a new bald, brown lad who can score.
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Can’t see Mateta happening
Tanswell is always talking about how we’re fluid and flexible in the market. I imagine Besiktas aren’t budging in the Tammy fee, and or Guessand won’t go there, so we’re exploring other options.
Seems this one is because Palace wanted Guessand in the Summer and Mateta only has 18 months left.
While he’d be a good acquisition, and cutting our losses with Guessand, it seems like paying money + Guessand would be about £40m worth of investment in a 28 year old. Is that the right approach really?
Probably not, but as it stands you're losing money on Guessand whichever way you spin it and still looking to buy a forward.
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Yes please to Mateta.
If we got Mateta I think that would cause an interesting reaction from people who were aghast at losing Malen.
You’d get the same from me. We need pace and Mateta doesn’t have any. I’d prefer Mateta to Abraham but it’s still insane to sell Malen.
Quite, doesn’t answer our pace problem. Also my “aghast” reaction was heavily linked to timing. I think it was a weird call anyway, but the timing was the real problem.
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I wonder if Emery is planning a slightly different way of playing, Abraham/Mateta/Madjo all over 6ft 2.
I can't see us going for Mateta while Watkins is still here though, he'd have to go in as first choice straight away.
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Yes please to Mateta.
If we got Mateta I think that would cause an interesting reaction from people who were aghast at losing Malen.
They'd be happy with a new bald, brown lad who can score.
Can't see Samuel L Jackson doing the biz for us though.
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Woah, 10 new pages and I see links to Mateta!
Is he what we need?
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Mateta anyone? Money plus Guessand
https://x.com/david_ornstein/status/2013631376159879363?s=46
Quick, delete the Guessand thread in case anyone from Palace looks on here!
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I wonder if Emery is planning a slightly different way of playing, Abraham/Mateta/Madjo all over 6ft 2.
Never going to happen but I did allow myself a glimse of the future with Mateta bullying a central defender for 80 minutes. The relief on the face of said defender is replaced by a "WTF" as he sees Big Bad Joe coming on to replace Mateta.
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Mateta anyone? Money plus Guessand
https://x.com/david_ornstein/status/2013631376159879363?s=46
Quick, delete the Guessand thread in case anyone from Palace looks on here!
I've always said he reminds me of Berbatov, such a silky player. They won't regret it.
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Wharton is the one we really want. He could cover for Kamara to the level.
Hes a poor man's Tielemans.
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Wharton is the one we really want. He could cover for Kamara to the level.
Hes a poor man's Tielemans.
Whartons quality
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Raphael Onyedika not in the Club Bruges squad today in CL…was another linked for DM role which is now a priority, guess could be injured or being transferred somewhere
Is this lad rated? I know nowt about him.
He was linked with us and Galatasaray earlier in the week
But is he any good?
I don’t recall him standing out when we played them, if of course he played in those games.
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Wharton? Thought he was the standout player in the cup semi. He's proper quality. Would love him at Villa.
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Mateta anyone? Money plus Guessand
https://x.com/david_ornstein/status/2013631376159879363?s=46
Quick, delete the Guessand thread in case anyone from Palace looks on here!
I've always said he reminds me of Berbatov, such a silky player. They won't regret it.
I’ve always said he’s a mix of Van Basten, Gullit and Rijkaard in passing, vision, strength and power. We will all be gutted to lose him.
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Wharton? Thought he was the standout player in the cup semi. He's proper quality. Would love him at Villa.
No, this defensive midfielder from Brugge.
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Raphael Onyedika not in the Club Bruges squad today in CL…was another linked for DM role which is now a priority, guess could be injured or being transferred somewhere
Is this lad rated? I know nowt about him.
He was linked with us and Galatasaray earlier in the week
But is he any good?
I don’t recall him standing out when we played them, if of course he played in those games.
He played in the last two leg one but not the Mings handball one. Don’t recall him standing out either but if he did to Unai that would be enough for me
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I wonder if Emery is planning a slightly different way of playing, Abraham/Mateta/Madjo all over 6ft 2.
I can't see us going for Mateta while Watkins is still here though, he'd have to go in as first choice straight away.
Champions league contenders don’t build squads based on this, you want top players in all positions. If we play through to later stages in cups we will need both.
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Wharton is the one we really want. He could cover for Kamara to the level.
Hes a poor man's Tielemans.
Whartons quality
He is still a poor man's Tielemans. He isn't a Kamara type.
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Wharton is the one we really want. He could cover for Kamara to the level.
He's ok but he's nowhere near the best in the League ATM, that is Kamara. Kamara just doesn't break up play for the opposition he drives us forward. We absolutely missed his dynamism on Sunday.
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Wharton would cost a club upwards of £60M plus and we couldn't even do a deal for Gallagher at half the price. So forget anyone permanently at anything over £25M. We're more likely do get Will Hughes than Wharton.
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Palace are absolutley stupid if they want Guessand. I'd resign now if I was Glasner and reading that.
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Wharton would cost a club upwards of £60M plus and we couldn't even do a deal for Gallagher at half the price. So forget anyone permanently at anything over £25M. We're more likely do get Will Hughes than Wharton.
we could do with Hughes more than Wharton. Hughes is a horrible little shit-house. The sort we need at the moment.
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Palace are absolutley stupid if they want Guessand. I'd resign now if I was Glasner and reading that.
Maybe that's the objective.
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that's certianly one way to push the manager out
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Palace are absolutley stupid if they want Guessand. I'd resign now if I was Glasner and reading that.
Maybe that's the objective.
Save paying him the four months of his contract he has left? lol.
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Watch him go to Palace and start banging them in. Probably score against us in our next loss to them.
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Palace are absolutley stupid if they want Guessand. I'd resign now if I was Glasner and reading that.
Maybe that's the objective.
Save paying him the four months of his contract he has left? lol.
Doug would.
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You’d think both Mateta and Abraham would be pretty expensive wage wise.
I am surprised we aren’t looking at getting in someone younger who has a bit more longevity, and presumably has some sell on value.
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🚨 Ajax are exploring the possibility of signing Leon Bailey this month.
@telegraaf
#avfc
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You’d think both Mateta and Abraham would be pretty expensive wage wise.
I am surprised we aren’t looking at getting in someone younger who has a bit more longevity, and presumably has some sell on value.
We signed 2 of the "younger" kind already.
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Wharton is class, Man City will probably hoover him up.
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Wharton is very good for his age and has plenty of time to improve. He won't be joining us though.
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Wharton would cost a club upwards of £60M plus and we couldn't even do a deal for Gallagher at half the price. So forget anyone permanently at anything over £25M. We're more likely do get Will Hughes than Wharton.
Exactly this ^
Wharton is way way out of pay bracket
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Article by John Percy in today’s DT highlighting just how important Kamara is to us
This was in the middle of the article:
“ Emery must now consider whether to find a replacement, despite financial restrictions which forced the £25m sale of Donyell Malen to Roma last week.
One option could be Douglas Luiz, the former Villa midfielder, who is currently on loan at Nottingham Forest from Juventus”
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Good job we have a better player than him already then.
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Did we ever play Luiz and Tielemans together?
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Did we ever play Luiz and Tielemans together?
Often in 23/24.
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Article by John Percy in today’s DT highlighting just how important Kamara is to us
This was in the middle of the article:
“ Emery must now consider whether to find a replacement, despite financial restrictions which forced the £25m sale of Donyell Malen to Roma last week.
One option could be Douglas Luiz, the former Villa midfielder, who is currently on loan at Nottingham Forest from Juventus”
Hold on.
Firstly, were we ‘forced’ to sell Malen ?
Second, I though it was explained on here yesterday why Dougie coming back is an absolute none starter.
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Douglas Luiz does not take us further forward. We are third, not the Aston Villa he once signed for. Let’s move on from Douglas for the love of God!
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Douglas Luiz does not take us further forward. We are third, not the Aston Villa he once signed for. Let’s move on from Douglas for the love of God!
He isn't a bad player at all, on loan he would be a fantastic signing.
We have 3 midfielders on the books who all tend to miss 15-20 games a season in Kamara, Onana and Barkley. He would be a welcome addition.
Nobody is suggesting signing him for a fee.
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Onana coming back and staying fit would be huge for us right now. Him and Tielemans (who should be captain IMO) in there would be good enough to see us finish top 4 I reckon.
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The Luiz of 2-3 years ago would be a great signing, the Luiz since then has been pretty crap.
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🚨 Inter have made initial contact with Emi Martínez’s camp to explore conditions of a potential summer move.
@DiMarzio
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🚨 Inter have made initial contact with Emi Martínez’s camp to explore conditions of a potential summer move.
@DiMarzio
After this summer I would bet my house he's not with us next season.
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Not a chance we sign Wharton.
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I'm not sure we can afford Warburtons for sandwiches.
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One thing I guess we need to factor in is the fact that there Kamara will always miss big stretches of the season - as will Onana apparently. We need to factor that in, and Barkley clearly isnt the answer.
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🚨 Inter have made initial contact with Emi Martínez’s camp to explore conditions of a potential summer move.
@DiMarzio
This Gianluca Di Marzio is starting to piss me off. I hope Inter have deep pockets.
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Is Benni McCarthy available yet?
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🚨 Inter have made initial contact with Emi Martínez’s camp to explore conditions of a potential summer move.
@DiMarzio
This Gianluca Di Marzio is starting to piss me off. I hope Inter have deep pockets.
It’s time to consider good offers for him.
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You’d think both Mateta and Abraham would be pretty expensive wage wise.
I am surprised we aren’t looking at getting in someone younger who has a bit more longevity, and presumably has some sell on value.
We signed 2 of the "younger" kind already.
[/quotha You’d think both Mateta and Abraham would be pretty expensive wage wise.
I am surprised we aren’t looking at getting in someone younger who has a bit more longevity, and presumably has some sell on value.
We signed 2 of the "younger" kind already.
We did, I didn’t mean THAT young.
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There's always going to be that spectre of is he staying or is he still pushing for a move, so I say make hay while the sun shines. He could have been a legend, but like Jack with City, chose to schmoozy up to that basket case of a club up North.
For the outstanding saves he's made to keep us in games, he's also cost us just as many with his slip-ups over the past 18 months. Not the keeper he once was imo - I mean wtf was he doing on Saturday for a start?!
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Emi will go this summer for sure. Olabe needs to find a good replacement. Inter would suit him too.
Douglas Luiz if fit would slot in next to Onana with Youri at 10 very nicely. The if fit bit is the problem. It's a massive shame the other one in that deal isn't here now, as he'd be in the team.
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Wharton is the one we really want. He could cover for Kamara to the level.
Hes a poor man's Tielemans.
Whartons quality
He is still a poor man's Tielemans. He isn't a Kamara type.
Wharton gets into our current team. The guys quality and he will end up one of the rop clubs in next 18 months. Wait and see
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I think Wharton is decent but not a top four player. I rate Anderson higher than him. Although he’s having a bit of a tough period.
It will be interesting to see if Mainoo regains the form he had before falling out of favour. He looked excellent for a while.
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Martinez leaving for abroad and we can get good money for him and a decent replacement would suit everyone. Ideally not on the last day of the transfer window though this time
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Martinez leaving for abroad and we can get good money for him and a decent replacement would suit everyone.
Agreed, he just needs to persuade Mrs. M to move from Tamworth to Milan.
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We need to sign 2 quality midfielders sharpish.
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We need to sign 2 quality midfielders sharpish.
That isn’t happening.
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Wharton is the one we really want. He could cover for Kamara to the level.
Let's stay within the realms of possibility here!
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I think Tammy has scored 20 out of 25 career penalties. Mateta 15 out of 17. Perhaps they should have a shoot out for us to make our decision. Not that we get awarded any penalties...
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I really hate transfer window.
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🚨 Inter have made initial contact with Emi Martínez’s camp to explore conditions of a potential summer move.
@DiMarzio
time to move him on.
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Sancho, Elliott and Guessand.
What a colossal waste of money.
Must be millions down the shitter.
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We need to move on arguably the best goalkeeper we have ever had, and sign someone even better for half the price and much lower wages. Should be easy enough.
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I was thinking today while walking the Dog as I do , Why don't they make it fair say every team can spend the same amount based on Turnover from the highest turnover club from previous year. As long it is not classed as debt against the club
Eg Manchester United up to 80 % on 700 million
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🚨🟣🔵 Aston Villa are advancing in talks with Besiktas to get Tammy Abraham deal done.
Agreement sealed with the player as Tammy opened doors to #AVFC move.
Club to club talks moving fast, not done yet but well underway.
We need a striker.
NOBODY START A THREAD UNTIL HE ACTUALLY SIGNS.
Agree. We have to stop this madness of preemptively starting threads
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I was thinking today while walking the Dog as I do , Why don't they make it fair say every team can spend the same amount based on Turnover from the highest turnover club from previous year. As long it is not classed as debt against the club
Eg Manchester United up to 80 % on 700 million
To make it a fair, competitive league, this is how it SHOULD be. The system in place currently stacks the odds massively, and is basically financial doping in favour of the Sky 6.
We lose nearly all of our midfield, we have to get on with it. City get a few injuries, they go out and buy two of the best players in the league in their positions, despite 115 charges hanging over their head which could and should lead to points deductions and transfer embargoes.
That's not sport. It makes teams outside of the Sky 6 nothing more than cannon fodder.
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I really hate transfer window.
I love lamp.
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We need to move on arguably the best goalkeeper we have ever had, and sign someone even better for half the price and much lower wages. Should be easy enough.
An interest in the day-to-day running of a children's clothing boutique is also highly desirable.
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I really hate transfer window.
I love lamp.
Someone used to have that as their signature. Possibly, they still do, I can't see them. If anyone has any signatures insulting me, please don't let me know.
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🚨 Inter have made initial contact with Emi Martínez’s camp to explore conditions of a potential summer move.
@DiMarzio
time to move him on.
Agree with this, best for everyone. Been a great keeper, but his PL stats over the years suggest he ain't as good as he thinks he is.
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🚨🟣🔵 Aston Villa are advancing in talks with Besiktas to get Tammy Abraham deal done.
Agreement sealed with the player as Tammy opened doors to #AVFC move.
Club to club talks moving fast, not done yet but well underway.
We need a striker.
NOBODY START A THREAD UNTIL HE ACTUALLY SIGNS.
Agree. We have to stop this madness of preemptively starting threads
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I know. Nobody else has ever done that. Just imagine if I hadn't. Connor Gallagher would have played against Everton. McGinn proably doesn't get injured. We win handsomely and we are clear in 2nd place. Boosted by that PSR rukles are lifted and we'd be signing Mbappe next week. Kamara would suddenly recover from his injury. In fact we shouldn't start pre match threads either in case we jinx the result of the game.
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I really hate transfer window.
I love lamp.
Someone used to have that as their signature. Possibly, they still do, I can't see them. If anyone has any signatures insulting me, please don't let me know.
I only see them on a laptop/PC.
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Finally.
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🚨🟣🔵 Aston Villa are advancing in talks with Besiktas to get Tammy Abraham deal done.
Agreement sealed with the player as Tammy opened doors to #AVFC move.
Club to club talks moving fast, not done yet but well underway.
We need a striker.
NOBODY START A THREAD UNTIL HE ACTUALLY SIGNS.
Agree. We have to stop this madness of preemptively starting threads
I agree.
Tammy would be an awful signing.
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He’s still made saves this season no other keeper make, however he’s definitely made some errors during the last two seasons. Last season was partly down to an ever changing back four up til February. He’s looked weak at corners, but I think that’s down to the allowance of the wrestling and generally free for all. Both him and Bizot are big fellas, but they look like frightened mice. It must be hard for the keepers though as for years they have been so protected and now they are not.
I still like him, he’s still got a huge presence and I think he’s generally still a very fine keeper and will extremely hard to replace. Especially as we haven’t got any money and we’ve been searching the sofa for spare change.
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Ornstein has said we're going for Mateta and Palace want Guessand.
Praise the Lord.
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Ornstein has said we're going for Mateta and Palace want Guessand.
Praise the Lord.
Don’t get upset but Princess Diana………..
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Ornstein has said we're going for Mateta and Palace want Guessand.
Praise the Lord.
i just cant see it , how reliable is he ?
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Ornstein has said we're going for Mateta and Palace want Guessand.
Praise the Lord.
Don’t get upset but Princess Diana………..
Sorry only just seen.
If it happens I will do a little wee.
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Ornstein has said we're going for Mateta and Palace want Guessand.
Praise the Lord.
i just cant see it , how reliable is he ?
Apparently he doesn't report on anything unless there is smoke...
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We should get Samatta back in.
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Ornstein has said we're going for Mateta and Palace want Guessand.
Praise the Lord.
Don’t get upset but Princess Diana………..
Sorry only just seen.
If it happens I will do a little wee.
As long as it isn't a sex-wee, what with your ball-tingling antics at Baros' old aparment/Unai's current place at the Mailbox.
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We should get Samatta back in.
Would be an improvement.
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We should get Samatta back in.
Would be an improvement on Gyokeres.
Agreed.
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Ornstein has said we're going for Mateta and Palace want Guessand.
Praise the Lord.
Don’t get upset but Princess Diana………..
Sorry only just seen.
If it happens I will do a little wee.
I'm a bit surprised because he regularly goes on long runs of barely scoring, 4 in 19 in the first half of last season, 2 in 19 the first half of the season before and 5 in 22 in total in his first season there. Given your criticism of Watkins I don't see how he'd be any different.
Personally I think he'd be ok but I'm not convinced he'd be a good fit for us and how streaky he is suggests he very much a confidence player which would mean if he was struggling to settle into our style we'd probably see the non-scoring version much more than Palace have.
I worry he'd be a really poor use of the money. I'm not a huge fan of Abraham either but he'd be a much better choice.
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Better the devil you know. Tammy over Mateta every day of the week for me.
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Mateta with Guessard as part of the deal sounds too good to turn down
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Never been a fan of spending big on milk bottle players, which Tammy and Mateta are. Even less so when finances are stricter than ever.
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Ornstein has said we're going for Mateta and Palace want Guessand.
Praise the Lord.
Don’t get upset but Princess Diana………..
Sorry only just seen.
If it happens I will do a little wee.
I'm a bit surprised because he regularly goes on long runs of barely scoring, 4 in 19 in the first half of last season, 2 in 19 the first half of the season before and 5 in 22 in total in his first season there. Given your criticism of Watkins I don't see how he'd be any different.
Personally I think he'd be ok but I'm not convinced he'd be a good fit for us and how streaky he is suggests he very much a confidence player which would mean if he was struggling to settle into our style we'd probably see the non-scoring version much more than Palace have.
I worry he'd be a really poor use of the money. I'm not a huge fan of Abraham either but he'd be a much better choice.
He's been instrumental in Palaces recent domination over us in the past couple of seasons. On that basis alone he'd be worth a few extra points.
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I'm happy to drive Guessand to London.
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I'm happy to drive Guessand to London.
I will front you the petrol money, a hotel and a show.
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I'm happy to drive Guessand to London.
I will front you the petrol money, a hotel and a show.
I offered to spring for a happy meal when a mate said he'd drive him earlier.
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I don't believe it, all this negativity about good Evann. Guessand in time is going to be far far better than Mateta.
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I'm a bit surprised because he regularly goes on long runs of barely scoring, 4 in 19 in the first half of last season, 2 in 19 the first half of the season before and 5 in 22 in total in his first season there. Given your criticism of Watkins I don't see how he'd be any different.
Personally I think he'd be ok but I'm not convinced he'd be a good fit for us and how streaky he is suggests he very much a confidence player which would mean if he was struggling to settle into our style we'd probably see the non-scoring version much more than Palace have.
I worry he'd be a really poor use of the money. I'm not a huge fan of Abraham either but he'd be a much better choice.
His dodgy knees may go some way to explain his lack of goals. Palace have been avoiding surgery but we have knee doctors on speed dial so I can see why he'd want to join us.
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Mateta always plays well against us because he’s put against soft as shit and crap in the air, but passes the ball really well Torres. I’m not sure he’s mobile enough for our system.
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I don't believe it, all this negativity about good Evann. Guessand in time is going to be far far better than Mateta.
Don't get this either, get me wrong but if we stuck him up front for a few outings in his true position and he can't rack up a few goals for us then yes move him on but for me he is part of a team that is standing joint second in the Premier league, we are still in the FA Cup and Europa, he's made 19 appearances in total, that must count for something, he is a cog in that machine.
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I don't believe it, all this negativity about good Evann. Guessand in time is going to be far far better than Mateta.
Don't get this either, get me wrong but if we stuck him up front for a few outings in his true position and he can't rack up a few goals for us then yes move him on but for me he is part of a team that is standing joint second in the Premier league, we are still in the FA Cup and Europa, he's made 19 appearances in total, that must count for something, he is a cog in that machine.
We a 3rd, despite Guessand. If he was any good, we’d be top. Same with Sancho.
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Mateta always plays well against us because he’s put against soft as shit and crap in the air, but passes the ball really well Torres. I’m not sure he’s mobile enough for our system.
See I think that’s one of those memory tricks. I had assumed he’d score loads of headers against us, but I’m not sure he’s scored any, or if he has it’s only one. Plus when he got his hat trick against us I’m pretty sure Torres was injured/out.
Either way, I’m not entirely convinced by him, but at least against us he gets less aerial goals than you’d think.
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I don't believe it, all this negativity about good Evann. Guessand in time is going to be far far better than Mateta.
Don't get this either, get me wrong but if we stuck him up front for a few outings in his true position and he can't rack up a few goals for us then yes move him on but for me he is part of a team that is standing joint second in the Premier league, we are still in the FA Cup and Europa, he's made 19 appearances in total, that must count for something, he is a cog in that machine.
We a 3rd, despite Guessand. If he was any good, we’d be top. Same with Sancho.
So before we ship Guessand out for being useless who should we put in place that would enable us to overtake Arsenal?.
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I don't believe it, all this negativity about good Evann. Guessand in time is going to be far far better than Mateta.
Don't get this either, get me wrong but if we stuck him up front for a few outings in his true position and he can't rack up a few goals for us then yes move him on but for me he is part of a team that is standing joint second in the Premier league, we are still in the FA Cup and Europa, he's made 19 appearances in total, that must count for something, he is a cog in that machine.
We a 3rd, despite Guessand. If he was any good, we’d be top. Same with Sancho.
So before we ship Guessand out for being useless who should we put in place that would enable us to overtake Arsenal?.
A Lec Fridge freezer.
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I don't believe it, all this negativity about good Evann. Guessand in time is going to be far far better than Mateta.
Don't get this either, get me wrong but if we stuck him up front for a few outings in his true position and he can't rack up a few goals for us then yes move him on but for me he is part of a team that is standing joint second in the Premier league, we are still in the FA Cup and Europa, he's made 19 appearances in total, that must count for something, he is a cog in that machine.
We a 3rd, despite Guessand. If he was any good, we’d be top. Same with Sancho.
So before we ship Guessand out for being useless who should we put in place that would enable us to overtake Arsenal?.
Anyone other than Guessand, because he’s fucking terrible. Yes he might come good eventually, but so far so bad.
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We should get Samatta back in.
What?! Samatta? You ay got no respect.
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I don't believe it, all this negativity about good Evann. Guessand in time is going to be far far better than Mateta.
Don't get this either, get me wrong but if we stuck him up front for a few outings in his true position and he can't rack up a few goals for us then yes move him on but for me he is part of a team that is standing joint second in the Premier league, we are still in the FA Cup and Europa, he's made 19 appearances in total, that must count for something, he is a cog in that machine.
We a 3rd, despite Guessand. If he was any good, we’d be top. Same with Sancho.
So before we ship Guessand out for being useless who should we put in place that would enable us to overtake Arsenal?.
A Lec Fridge freezer.
A 1986 Austin Montego
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Palace were the other club interested in Guessand in the summer, so hopefully there is something in the Mateta / Guessand deal.
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Some sky sports reporter has said they don't want Guessand and won't sell Mateta this Jan unless it's silly money. But it's ok. We've got Bailey back.
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Ah, someone else beat me to it.
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Some sky sports reporter has said they don't want Guessand and won't sell Mateta this Jan unless it's silly money. But it's ok.
Silly money to pay off a doctor to lie about his medical?
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Grauniad reporting our interest in Mateta today.
I hope we can fob Guessand off on Palace, use our reported interest in Mateta to get the Abraham deal done, and then focus on getting in another MF.
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Grauniad reporting our interest in Mateta today.
I hope we can fob Guessand off on Palace, use our reported interest in Mateta to get the Abraham deal done, and then focus on getting in another MF.
Or play a 5 0 5 formation.
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Percy in telegraph saying we are considering Loftus-cheek as cover for Bouba
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Percy in telegraph saying we are considering Loftus-cheek as cover for Bouba
Not remotely like-for-like, but it's another midfield body when that area is seriously depleted. Yes, we'll have way too many midfielders if we get to Feb and McGinn, Onana and Barkley are all back fit - but right now I don't think we can take that as a given.
At 29 I wouldn't want him on a long term deal, but a loan with OPTION to buy wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. With a fit Bouba I wouldn't even consider it, but needs must...
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Apparently Man Utd want him too
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Grauniad reporting our interest in Mateta today.
I hope we can fob Guessand off on Palace, use our reported interest in Mateta to get the Abraham deal done, and then focus on getting in another MF.
Or just get Mateta.
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Percy in telegraph saying we are considering Loftus-cheek as cover for Bouba
That doesn’t really make sense in terms of style of player and in any case isn’t he always injured?
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Is Percy the most reliable of scources? it appears to me that one pundit puts out an uncomfirmed rumour and the rest join in. News now is no news.
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Loftus Cheek is a good footballer. Unfortunately he is another footballer made of glass. Why we would try and cover the 3 footballers we already have that are made of glass, with a 4th, makes very, very little sense to me.
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Percy in telegraph saying we are considering Loftus-cheek as cover for Bouba
Thats great - we could do with another midfielder that is injured when we need them
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He's a good player, and hopefully only needed when Hemmings needs a rest. Beggars cant be choosers.
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Loftus Cheek hasn’t missed many games while at A C Milan in his 3 seasons there, seems to finally be over his injury problems.
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Percy in telegraph saying we are considering Loftus-cheek as cover for Bouba
That doesn’t really make sense in terms of style of player and in any case isn’t he always injured?
Injured and shite. Looks the part physically but shy about getting stuck in (if memory serves correct).
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Loftus Cheek hasn’t missed many games while at A C Milan in his 3 seasons there, seems to finally be over his injury problems.
Then the last place he wants to come is here. The ACL holy site.
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Is the Mateta story just put out there to help get the Abraham deal over the line?
Obviously we already have it over the line, hence the separate thread. Will he link up well with Gallagher?
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An incredible twat.
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Jean-Philippe Mateta and his camp have informed Crystal Palace about desire to leave the club.
Following talks with Aston Villa and Juventus, Mateta hopes for January move with decision now in Palace hands.
Negotiations remain ongoing.
Big Fab
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An incredible twat.
who is ?
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Jean-Philippe Mateta and his camp have informed Crystal Palace about desire to leave the club.
Following talks with Aston Villa and Juventus, Mateta hopes for January move with decision now in Palace hands.
Negotiations remain ongoing.
oooooh , cant see it though
Big Fab
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An incredible twat.
who is ?
(https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lovejoy_2032.jpg)
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I remember when other teams’ fans used to envy us for the way we conducted our transfer business.
What happened?
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I get Danny Ings vibes from Mateta. Similar age to when we signed him, potential signs that he has past his peak goalscoring wise.
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I remember when other teams’ fans used to envy us for the way we conducted our transfer business.
What happened?
They belatedly realised that envy is the weakest emotion.
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I watch Palace loads with father in law ( season ticket holder ) and hes 80 and struggles now with trains never running and the weather and cost so I always let him watch Palace here at home and he really likes Villa too as his grandson is mad Villa , you can imagine how we feel watching Villa v CP.
I would say If fans get on Watkins back regarding his easy chances missed then wait until they see Mateta play , he misses loads.
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Grauniad reporting our interest in Mateta today.
I hope we can fob Guessand off on Palace, use our reported interest in Mateta to get the Abraham deal done, and then focus on getting in another MF.
Or just get Mateta.
I don't rate him very highly.Grauniad reporting our interest in Mateta today.
I hope we can fob Guessand off on Palace, use our reported interest in Mateta to get the Abraham deal done, and then focus on getting in another MF.
Or just get Mateta.
I don't rate him.
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I watch Palace loads with father in law ( season ticket holder ) and hes 80 and struggles now with trains never running and the weather and cost so I always let him watch Palace here at home and he really likes Villa too as his grandson is mad Villa , you can imagine how we feel watching Villa v CP.
I would say If fans get on Watkins back regarding his easy chances missed then wait until they see Mateta play , he misses loads.
What we really want is a striker who converts 100% of his chances.
Does he exist?
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I would say If fans get on Watkins back regarding his easy chances missed then wait until they see Mateta play , he misses loads.
I avoid the Watkins thread but from my experience down the match, the frustration with Watkins isn't always about the chances he misses, its that his control is shite, he doesn't seem to make his mind up so doesn't get a shot away at all, or he gives the ball away cheaply after doing the hard bit.
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I would say If fans get on Watkins back regarding his easy chances missed then wait until they see Mateta play , he misses loads.
I avoid the Watkins thread but from my experience down the match, the frustration with Watkins isn't always about the chances he misses, its that his control is shite, he doesn't seem to make his mind up so doesn't get a shot away at all, or he gives the ball away cheaply after doing the hard bit.
There's a lot he's good at. Staying fit for one.
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I watch Palace loads with father in law ( season ticket holder ) and hes 80 and struggles now with trains never running and the weather and cost so I always let him watch Palace here at home and he really likes Villa too as his grandson is mad Villa , you can imagine how we feel watching Villa v CP.
I would say If fans get on Watkins back regarding his easy chances missed then wait until they see Mateta play , he misses loads.
What we really want is a striker who converts 100% of his chances.
Does he exist?
hasnt he scored 1 goal in the last 8 games , cant see the appeal .
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I watch Palace loads with father in law ( season ticket holder ) and hes 80 and struggles now with trains never running and the weather and cost so I always let him watch Palace here at home and he really likes Villa too as his grandson is mad Villa , you can imagine how we feel watching Villa v CP.
I would say If fans get on Watkins back regarding his easy chances missed then wait until they see Mateta play , he misses loads.
What we really want is a striker who converts 100% of his chances.
Does he exist?
hasnt he scored 1 goal in the last 8 games , cant see the appeal .
If it does happen, let's all hope its not going to be ..
Cascarino ll.The Sequel.
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We're not spending £40m or whatever Palace want on Mateta. It's being used purely to hurry along the Abraham deal.
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Not to go all Brexshit but Tammy and RLC are English, which may or may not help us with the homegrown quota.
RLC might make a degree of sense this window. But hope the Drinkwater vibes are way off beam.
Beyond this window, we need better (and way more reliable fitness-wise) options for the centre of the park.
Raphael Onyedika was mentioned earlier and he seems to fit the age and profile. Can't recall him standing out against us if he did play, mind.
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A cursory look at Transfermakt says this little lot are out of contract this summer:
Ruben Neves in Saudi
Quentin Timber at Feyenoord
Leon Goretzka at Bayern
Bissouma at Tottingham (no thanks)
Bernardo Silva and Julian Brandt are also available for the more advanced midfield slots.
Pushing that forward to players with only one year left on their contract come the summer and Fabian Ruiz at PSG (highly unlikely) and Ederson at Atalanta are the stand out options.
Curtis Jones at the Redscouse and Martinelli at Arsenal all become available then too, if they don't sign new deals in the meantime.
Mike Maignan at AC Milan is out of contract this summer as well, by the looks of it. Could be a decent option is there's anything in the Emi to Inter rumours.
Only 30 years of age as well, which surprises me. French national goalie, but haven't seem enough of him to know how good he is re crosses and set pieces etc. You'd hope as a national goalkeeper for a top ranking side - not shit.
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It’s a common thing in humanity to only see those we know about or around us. That’s why here and elsewhere we are talking about Bailey, Luiz and Abraham. I hope those responsible for getting talent in at our club are thinking with a cool head and scanning the world to bring in most suitable players we need.
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Leon back then
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🚨🏴 Aston Villa asked for Ruben Loftus Cheek exit conditions, initial talks after Kamara injury as @JPercyTelegraph call.
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Just heard on Talksport (yes, I know) that Mateta has told Palace he wants to leave.
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Not to go all Brexshit but Tammy and RLC are English, which may or may not help us with the homegrown quota.
Things will have gone pretty badly wrong if they end up being a difference there - it's only four association trained / non-club trained spots that need to be filled and we currently have Emi, Konsa, Cash, Mings, Barkley, Watkins, Rogers and (I think) Sancho.
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Leon back then
Even in that horrible anus of a year he had last season he still scored goals in the CL and provided a few key assists.
If the head is right and the body allows he's an infinitely superior option to Evann Gestede and Sancho. Either off the bench or starting.
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RLC isn’t a bad player. He’s just always broken.
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Leon back then
Even in that horrible anus of a year he had last season he still scored goals in the CL and provided a few key assists.
If the head is right and the body allows he's an infinitely superior option to Evann Gestede and Sancho. Either off the bench or starting.
An anus annus, as it were.
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RLC isn’t a bad player. He’s just always broken.
WHy did I think he was at Notts Forest?!
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RLC isn’t a bad player. He’s just always broken.
WHy did I think he was at Notts Forest?!
Because they buy almost as many as chelsea and he obviously wasn’t there anymore…
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Rumours are circulating that Mcginn is out for 8 weeks. If true we're in trouble.
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RLC isn’t a bad player. He’s just always broken.
WHy did I think he was at Notts Forest?!
I always get him confused with Hudson-Odoi...
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Rumours are circulating that Mcginn is out for 8 weeks. If true we're in trouble.
At least he'd be OK for the WC (unless of course Agent Orange proceeds with his invasion of Europe and we all forfeit the competition). Obvs my main concern is the Villa, but it'd be pretty awful for SJM to miss out on playing at a WC as well as missing out on winning something with Villa.
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Rumours are circulating that Mcginn is out for 8 weeks. If true we're in trouble.
Someone said to me this morning that apparently it was the back of the knee. I said then that it was probably a meniscus tear. There's 8 types, most of which don't need surgery. If that's the case, probably 4-8 weeks.
Sorry!
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Rumours are circulating that Mcginn is out for 8 weeks. If true we're in trouble.
Where's that coming from?
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RLC isn’t a bad player. He’s just always broken.
WHy did I think he was at Notts Forest?!
I always get him confused with Hudson-Odoi...
That's it! Thank you!
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We're not spending £40m or whatever Palace want on Mateta. It's being used purely to hurry along the Abraham deal.
I posted that and got called an “incredible twat”.
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Rumours are circulating that Mcginn is out for 8 weeks. If true we're in trouble.
watching the villa/everton game , my girlfriend said before the game , SJM is limping walking on , I replied yeah right , keep off the vino.
I now think she had a point.
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Rumours are circulating that Mcginn is out for 8 weeks. If true we're in trouble.
Where's that coming from?
Friend of a friend. So I guess I'm perpetuating the rumour.
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Rumours are circulating that Mcginn is out for 8 weeks. If true we're in trouble.
watching the villa/everton game , my girlfriend said before the game , SJM is limping walking on , I replied yeah right , keep off the vino.
I now think she had a point.
Yep, get on the vino.
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I watch Palace loads with father in law ( season ticket holder ) and hes 80 and struggles now with trains never running and the weather and cost so I always let him watch Palace here at home and he really likes Villa too as his grandson is mad Villa , you can imagine how we feel watching Villa v CP.
I would say If fans get on Watkins back regarding his easy chances missed then wait until they see Mateta play , he misses loads.
What we really want is a striker who converts 100% of his chances.
Does he exist?
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. The boffins in the scouting department need to buck their ideas up. Is it really that much to ask for a shit hot 22 year old German striker who scores 25+ goals a season and fits within our PSR requirements?
Come on, scouting team, this is primary school stuff.
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The Candian lad on YouTube with his smooth show and Villa "den" - Pete is it, (?) clocked in the warm-up that Ginny was clutching his knee. Hopefully playing for 15 minutes didn't aggravate it further.
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We're not spending £40m or whatever Palace want on Mateta. It's being used purely to hurry along the Abraham deal.
I posted that and got called an “incredible twat”.
Was that down to the post?
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RLC isn’t a bad player. He’s just always broken.
WHy did I think he was at Notts Forest?!
I always get him confused with Hudson-Odoi...
To be young, gifted and double-barrelled.
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Whats this Andre like at wolves .
not that I suppose they would sell to us and If we got the money ( £28 mill on TM )
I saw Liverbirds was sniffing around him.
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Gomes is the other one there that’s pretty handy isn’t he. Not sure we’re getting either though tbh
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I watch Palace loads with father in law ( season ticket holder ) and hes 80 and struggles now with trains never running and the weather and cost so I always let him watch Palace here at home and he really likes Villa too as his grandson is mad Villa , you can imagine how we feel watching Villa v CP.
I would say If fans get on Watkins back regarding his easy chances missed then wait until they see Mateta play , he misses loads.
What we really want is a striker who converts 100% of his chances.
Does he exist?
Arthur Scargill came the nearest.
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I watch Palace loads with father in law ( season ticket holder ) and hes 80 and struggles now with trains never running and the weather and cost so I always let him watch Palace here at home and he really likes Villa too as his grandson is mad Villa , you can imagine how we feel watching Villa v CP.
I would say If fans get on Watkins back regarding his easy chances missed then wait until they see Mateta play , he misses loads.
What we really want is a striker who converts 100% of his chances.
Does he exist?
Arthur Scargill came the nearest.
Definitely a Laugh Out Loud Moment.
Brilliant.
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Hey lay your burden down, it seems the last day of the miners' strike was the Magna Carta in this part of town
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We're not spending £40m or whatever Palace want on Mateta. It's being used purely to hurry along the Abraham deal.
I posted that and got called an “incredible twat”.
Was that down to the post?
No it was down to the rudeness and lack of social skills of the poster.
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🚨🇲🇦 Youssef En-Nesyri will decide his future soon with several clubs keen. After Napoli and Juventus, Aston Villa also called in the last 24h.
Villa have been working on Tammy Abraham deal for days, agreed on player side but still not with Besiktas.
Italian clubs remain keen.
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A couple of players mentioned in the rumours sections with regards to other clubs, Wilfrid Ndidi and Angel Gomes, both seemingly available. Could either do a short term job for us?
I recall Ndidi being more defensively minded.
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Could we recall Enzo Barrenechea?
The consensus is he's triggered the clause to make the deal permanent however they, like us with Elliot, might want an excuse to void the deal.
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Could we recall Enzo Barrenechea?
The consensus is he's triggered the clause to make the deal permanent however they, like us with Elliot, might want an excuse to void the deal.
I seem to remember (and I may be wrong) his deal was perm after 10 games.
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we need to do something tomorrow ideally, so the player(s) can be registered in time for the weekend game
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We won’t be buying anybody in time / who will be ready to play this weekend. Not a chance.
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Could we recall Enzo Barrenechea?
The consensus is he's triggered the clause to make the deal permanent however they, like us with Elliot, might want an excuse to void the deal.
I seem to remember (and I may be wrong) his deal was perm after 10 games.
Season long loan, obligation to buy. Conditions were made public as Benfica is a listed company on the Portuguese Stock Exchange.
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🚨🇲🇦 Youssef En-Nesyri will decide his future soon with several clubs keen. After Napoli and Juventus, Aston Villa also called in the last 24h.
Villa have been working on Tammy Abraham deal for days, agreed on player side but still not with Besiktas.
Italian clubs remain keen.
Was a big fan when he was at Sevilla….personally I’d be happy with him or Tammy at this point…Mateta I’m not as keen on.
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Angel Gomes ?
Is that the midget who played for England when anyone could get a cap ?
If so…….fuck off, no ta.
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En Neysri put in one of the best centre forward displays I’ve ever seen in one of Sevillas games a couple of years ago, I thought he would be an incredible signing. Seems to have dipped since, but would be a good player in the prem I reckon.
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I’m pretty sure “Can we recall” is this years why didn’t Barry…
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Plus Benfica want Enzo, we don't want Harvey Ballbanger.
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Angel Gomes ?
Is that the midget who played for England when anyone could get a cap ?
If so…….fuck off, no ta.
Yeah, went on a free from Lille to Marseille, hasn't played so available.
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With McGinn out for a couple of months we quite simply have to get at least 1 through the door in midfield. Loftus Cheek is a good player but another one made of glass. We need someone that we can rely on at the base of midfield to play 12-14 league games without worry.
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Kalvin Phillips and Dele Alli are available.
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With McGinn out for a couple of months we quite simply have to get at least 1 through the door in midfield. Loftus Cheek is a good player but another one made of glass. We need someone that we can rely on at the base of midfield to play 12-14 league games without worry.
Couple of months??? Didn’t Emery say weeks…?
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Plus Benfica want Enzo, we don't want Harvey Ballbanger.
A benfica fan on Reddit was suggesting they’re less keen now. To paraphrase, he said the club is chaotic right now, so any/all plans could get ripped up. No idea how accurate that is.
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Kalvin Phillips and Dele Alli are available.
I don’t know if this is a tongue in cheek post, but I’d bet that Unai could resurrect Phillips career.
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When was the last time Phillips played a league game (or any)?
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I just had a google as I'd lost track of him, he played in an EFL game for Man City at Hudds in Sept. His first game for them in 3 years.
Still there with a year left on his contract. A few quotes from coaches at West Ham which were less than complimentary about his attitude. 'Unmotivatable' was one, which I didn't even know was a word.
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Kalvin Phillips and Dele Alli are available.
I don’t know if this is a tongue in cheek post, but I’d bet that Unai could resurrect Phillips career.
Any relation to Loftus?
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Plus Benfica want Enzo, we don't want Harvey Ballbanger.
A benfica fan on Reddit was suggesting they’re less keen now. To paraphrase, he said the club is chaotic right now, so any/all plans could get ripped up. No idea how accurate that is.
He's been out recently with a shoulder injury and is on the bench tonight at Juventus. Mourinho saying Enzo isn't 100%. Benfica are such drama queens, a bit like Man U fans, unless they win every game, the world is about to end. The only thing I can think is they've over spent and are getting knocked out of the Champions League and they've a few players out.
More interesting is Atletico Madrid are sniffing around PSG's Gonçalo Ramos for a move in the summer.
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🚨 Agent & brother of Emi Martínez was spotted yesterday in Milan — there has already been a first meeting.
@DiMarzio
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Barronechea does look like the ideal Kamara replacement it must be said. I very much doubt Benfica are going to let us have him back though!
Emi to Inter looks a good move for all. We just need to find a solid replacement, especially on corners etc
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Losing Emi now would be fucking mental.
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Maybe this is why Unai is so pissed off
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We seem to have gone from organising a civic reception to a closing down sale in the space of a few weeks.
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Barronechea does look like the ideal Kamara replacement it must be said. I very much doubt Benfica are going to let us have him back though!
We'd have to throw them a meaty bone though (€18m -€20m) I'm not even sure he'd want to join us. Seems more than happy here and family relatively close by in Valencia. Worth a try though, use the Gallagher money.
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We seem to have gone from organising a civic reception to a closing down sale in the space of a few weeks.
Absolutely. When you take a step back, the sea change has been pretty hilarious.
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🚨 Agent & brother of Emi Martínez was spotted yesterday in Milan — there has already been a first meeting.
@DiMarzio
Is this the same brother who lost credibility, following Emi's collapsed move to manure?
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There's a lot of over the top silliness on here. Let's just calm down and see what happens shall we?
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There's a lot of over the top silliness on here. Let's just calm down and see what happens shall we?
If you want to see over the top read Villa Talk. I have never joined to post on there.
I would spend too much time arguing with a not unsubstantial number of people detached from reality.
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I just had a google as I'd lost track of him, he played in an EFL game for Man City at Hudds in Sept. His first game for them in 3 years.
Still there with a year left on his contract. A few quotes from coaches at West Ham which were less than complimentary about his attitude. 'Unmotivatable' was one, which I didn't even know was a word.
He was at Ipswich too. Must be one of the biggest career free falls in recent times, from playing in a Euros final but being washed up at PL level very soon afterwards.
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Agreed, let the club do what they need to in what's left of the window. They know what needs to be done. Once the window shuts we need to be united as a football club and fight for that all important CL place.
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There's a lot of over the top silliness on here. Let's just calm down and see what happens shall we?
If you want to see over the top read Villa Talk. I have never joined to post on there.
I would spend too much time arguing with a not unsubstantial number of people detached from reality.
Gary ? you cheating on us. 😳
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There's a lot of over the top silliness on here. Let's just calm down and see what happens shall we?
If you want to see over the top read Villa Talk. I have never joined to post on there.
I would spend too much time arguing with a not unsubstantial number of people detached from reality.
Gary ? you cheating on us. 😳
Purely platonic 😎
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I just think as always that every time we get close to being world leaders, something fucks us up. Either ourselves or.the regulations and at the moment it’s a combination. I’m not sure what our owners can do. The biggest thing annoys me is that we hsve, without doubt, the best most passionate manager I can recall and I do not want to lose him. Because villa will go only one way afterwards.
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Agreed, let the club do what they need to in what's left of the window. They know what needs to be done. Once the window shuts we need to be united as a football club and fight for that all important CL place.
Agree with the last part. When it comes to transfer strategy, I think it’s at least reasonable to question the approach. Yes we’re under financial restraints, but we’re not exactly driving value out of what we do spend a lot of the time. There is a lot to get right between now and the end of the window, given injuries and who we’ve sold.
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I would rather have tammy over mateda. I think he has more all round to his game than mateda. I think he would suit our style of play more too
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How much would we get for Martínez ?
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There's a lot of over the top silliness on here. Let's just calm down and see what happens shall we?
That would seem a sensible approach.
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There's a lot of over the top silliness on here. Let's just calm down and see what happens shall we?
That would seem a sensible approach.
And very boring for a transfer speculation thread. There are plenty of other threads to be entirely sensible on, indeed boring as can be, but the very nature of this one is surely to run about in a mad panic and suggest players to buy... Sorry borrow.... in our current predicament.
What happened to Jozy Altidore in the end?
Under the radar we were linked with Luiz this morning in a couple of places. If fit I wonder if Emery will see it as the lowest risk option.
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How much would we get for Martínez ?
Around £20M ? In a slow decline and getting flaky injury wise? Never understood the fuss with him as he makes too many daft blunders in amongst his good performances. Inter would be perfect for him, and he'll be gone in the summer.
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Sick of him anyway, he looks like he's checked out mentally and isn't the man and part of the group that he was.
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How much would we get for Martínez ?
Around £20M ? In a slow decline and getting flaky injury wise? Never understood the fuss with him as he makes too many daft blunders in amongst his good performances. Inter would be perfect for him, and he'll be gone in the summer.
Double that at least. 3.5 years left on a highly paid contract, World cup winner, multiple Copa Americas and in his prime years for a goalie. Could sign a 5 years deal somewhere else quite easily I reckon.
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How much would we get for Martínez ?
Around £20M ? In a slow decline and getting flaky injury wise? Never understood the fuss with him as he makes too many daft blunders in amongst his good performances. Inter would be perfect for him, and he'll be gone in the summer.
I think his best days are behind him but 'never understood the fuss with him' as a back-to-back Yashin award winner is a bit wild.
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How much would we get for Martínez ?
Around £20M ? In a slow decline and getting flaky injury wise? Never understood the fuss with him as he makes too many daft blunders in amongst his good performances. Inter would be perfect for him, and he'll be gone in the summer.
I think his best days are behind him but 'never understood the fuss with him' as a back-to-back Yashin award winner is a bit wild.
...not for his performances in the premier league, consistently around 7th to 9th best keeper in the league according to the stats. If he played for Uruguay and not Argentina his profile would be way lower, and no Yashin awards.
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We were dumb enough to give Shay Given a five year deal when he was on the decline and before long was counting his money on the bench while Guzan took over. On that basis, £100m seems reasonable.
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How much would we get for Martínez ?
Around £20M ? In a slow decline and getting flaky injury wise? Never understood the fuss with him as he makes too many daft blunders in amongst his good performances. Inter would be perfect for him, and he'll be gone in the summer.
He's 33 not 43. There's still a few good seasons left in him. He's been our best player even before Unai arrived and saved us a ridiculous amount of points over the years. If strikers were judged on their errors, there wouldn't be any. Even Messi misses penalties.
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How much would we get for Martínez ?
Around £20M ? In a slow decline and getting flaky injury wise? Never understood the fuss with him as he makes too many daft blunders in amongst his good performances. Inter would be perfect for him, and he'll be gone in the summer.
My goodness, we've reached new levels of ungrateful.
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It's like saying "he's not a 'United' player". We are turning into a bunch of entitled prices. Villa fans - the new United fans.
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If Martinez has mentally checked out, there is no point keeping him as it will disrupt the club. At 33, we take what we can get and move on. Great keeper but on the decline, arguably due to him being unsettled.
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It's like saying "he's not a 'United' player". We are turning into a bunch of entitled prices. Villa fans - the new United fans.
Huh?
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+£30m for a player that wants a move, on this season’s figures, would be very handy. I am sure we have a list of replacements lined up.
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The “mentally checked out” stuff might be true, but it’s entirely assumptive. He’s made some ropey mistakes, but in the round I think he’s been better than he was last year and made a lot of very good saves.
That’s also not looking at the wider picture - there’s not much left of the transfer window. We’ve got a massive gap in midfield, we still haven’t addressed the gap left by Malen (or at least not really). Losing our first choice keeper as well would be nuts, especially given our hit rate on transfers of late.
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If Martinez has mentally checked out, there is no point keeping him as it will disrupt the club. At 33, we take what we can get and move on. Great keeper but on the decline, arguably due to him being unsettled.
Agree, but at the end of the season, not midway through what could be our most successful season since 1993.
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The “mentally checked out” stuff might be true, but it’s entirely assumptive. He’s made some ropey mistakes, but in the round I think he’s been better than he was last year and made a lot of very good saves.
That’s also not looking at the wider picture - there’s not much left of the transfer window. We’ve got a massive gap in midfield, we still haven’t addressed the gap left by Malen (or at least not really). Losing our first choice keeper as well would be nuts, especially given our hit rate on transfers of late.
Even if there are negotiations going on with Inter, I imagine any deal would be for a summer move. Getting a suitable replacement keeper at any time is difficult; January even more so.
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If Martinez has mentally checked out, there is no point keeping him as it will disrupt the club. At 33, we take what we can get and move on. Great keeper but on the decline, arguably due to him being unsettled.
Agree, but at the end of the season, not midway through what could be our most successful season since 1993.
Agree. The summer might be the best time for all parties, but not now.
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If Martinez has mentally checked out, there is no point keeping him as it will disrupt the club. At 33, we take what we can get and move on. Great keeper but on the decline, arguably due to him being unsettled.
Agree, but at the end of the season, not midway through what could be our most successful season since 1993.
Agree. The summer might be the best time for all parties, but not now.
The only opinion that really matters in these situations is the players.
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If Martinez has mentally checked out, there is no point keeping him as it will disrupt the club. At 33, we take what we can get and move on. Great keeper but on the decline, arguably due to him being unsettled.
Agree, but at the end of the season, not midway through what could be our most successful season since 1993.
Agree. The summer might be the best time for all parties, but not now.
The only opinion that really matters in these situations is the players.
We could learn from Porto who for years have told the player 'you're not leaving this year, we want another season, then you can leave'. Never seems to do any damage to the transfer fee either.
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Much like Emery, Martinez will settle down again after the window shuts. He is still one of the best in the league and has made enough saves to be forgiven the mistake last week that other keepers just would not have made.
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The secret with any player, even ones as instrumental as Emi, is to know when to sell. For me, we are in the window. I’d prefer to wait until summer though. A great World Cup will do his value no harm.
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Though I would not buy either of them, Doug and Loftus on loan for half a season can only be a help under the circumstances
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Though I would not buy either of them, Doug and Loftus on loan for half a season can only be a help under the circumstances
I’d take it in desperation. But we know Doug cannot play that DM role. It just didn’t work in 2024.
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I am only interested in players who are 100% committed to Villa's cause. If that means Bizot and A.N.other keeper, even at this stage of the season, then so be it. A keeper with his mind elsewhere and on the upcoming wc is not 100% focussed on the job in hand where Villa is concerned.
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It's clear that Emi wants 'a new challenge' and is seeking that out, but its been the way since last summer, and he's still, overall, been fantastic. Let's enjoy him while he's here. I'm sure we are looking out for his replacement when he goes, probably in the summer.
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It's more maximising his personal wealth and playing in a different environment, don't really have a problem with him going to a different league.
End of the season, before the World Cup and get the revenue and his replacement sorted in good time before the start of next season.
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How much would we get for Martínez ?
Around £20M ? In a slow decline and getting flaky injury wise? Never understood the fuss with him as he makes too many daft blunders in amongst his good performances. Inter would be perfect for him, and he'll be gone in the summer.
I think his best days are behind him but 'never understood the fuss with him' as a back-to-back Yashin award winner is a bit wild.
Yep, at his best, he was the best in the world (or the equal of those who were). And we saw plenty of him at his best with us. He's kept us in games at times. Yes, in recent times he's not hit those highs, but in goalkeeping terms, he's certainly not "past it". At 33, he could easily have another 2 or 3 years at a very high level.
That said, I don't think it's a coincidence that Liverpool and Man City got rid of Alysson and Ederson, respectively, at 32 and 33. I guess we'll see if Ederson is 'past it' this evening!
I think if we plan to 'make money' from Emi, this year is probably our last chance to do so. From the summer onward, I'd think his value will fall precipitously. That said, I'm not sure January is the time to cash in. We won't get a replacement of similar standard (and we'd definitely need a replacement), and we have too much to play for in the second half of the season to risk changing such an important first-choice role.
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It's more maximising his personal wealth and playing in a different environment, don't really have a problem with him going to a different league.
End of the season, before the World Cup and get the revenue and his replacement sorted in good time before the start of next season.
There's also the possibility of Argentina having a good World Cup, and his value being maximised this summer...
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The “mentally checked out” stuff might be true, but it’s entirely assumptive. He’s made some ropey mistakes, but in the round I think he’s been better than he was last year and made a lot of very good saves.
That’s also not looking at the wider picture - there’s not much left of the transfer window. We’ve got a massive gap in midfield, we still haven’t addressed the gap left by Malen (or at least not really). Losing our first choice keeper as well would be nuts, especially given our hit rate on transfers of late.
I don’t buy the mentally checked out bit.
I think he and the club were pretty certain he’d leave last summer and I think both were happy with that…I suspect the club had doubts over his long term fitness and he wanted a last big move.
Mistakes all keepers make, we hold him on a pedestal as ‘world number 1’ that any mistakes are magnified.
As we get closer to end of season the injuries concern me, that WC on the horizon and not wanting to miss it.
This summer is the right time to part ways - he has been monumental for us and as for last summer I have absolutely no issue with him, it was clearly mutual to explore a move not just him trying to force his way out.
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I'm one of these idiots who is rarely troubled by big players moving on. It's a short career and a lot of these guys are dragging them and their families up over the poverty line with their success. Even if that's not the case in most instances, Emi has every right to look for one last big contract before he retires.
The question then becomes whether he's 'throw in the towel', which I very much doubt is the case here. Mistakes happen, he's getting older, we have a decent second. Even if he had an absolute baller of a season this year, I'd still think most of us would think it was time to look for a new keeper in the summer.
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It's more maximising his personal wealth and playing in a different environment, don't really have a problem with him going to a different league.
End of the season, before the World Cup and get the revenue and his replacement sorted in good time before the start of next season.
There's also the possibility of Argentina having a good World Cup, and his value being maximised this summer...
I'd rather bank the money in this financial year and get ourselves set for next season. I doubt Argentina will win the World Cup and his value could just as easily go the other way.
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His mistakes have become far more frequent.
Top goalkeepers do not make the number of mistakes he has made over the last 2 seasons.
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Go find someone else though. A keeper with his stop stopping ability, distribution skills, presence, familiarity with our defence etc. Definitely not a change you need to make mid season.
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Not a chance i would sell him in this window.
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Go find someone else though. A keeper with his stop stopping ability, distribution skills, presence, familiarity with our defence etc. Definitely not a change you need to make mid season.
Bang on. We'd be asking for A LOT in a time where we have limited funds available, 2/3s of the way through a short window where no club will want to move a keeper on of any real quality. We'd get rinsed.
Then there's the process of integrating a new keeper to play our relatively specific system. If he has a few bad starts, the defense get's shaky and all of a sudden you're conceding 2, 3 goals a game.
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We have to simply manage his fitness and trust Bizot to play when he's out. If that means missing a couple of weeks to get his calf right, then we should do it.
Of the midfielders linked Onyedika is the one, if we could do it financially, that we should go for. Similar to Kamara and very much a player for the future, not a waste of a loan fee and big wages.
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Go find someone else though. A keeper with his stop stopping ability, distribution skills, presence, familiarity with our defence etc. Definitely not a change you need to make mid season.
I agree it’s a problem we do not want or need, what we don’t know is how he is impacting on the morale of the squad.
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Bearing in mind how the season has gone so far (level on points with second in the league last time I looked) i'd suggest the morale of the squad is probably fine.
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How much would we get for Martínez ?
Around £20M ? In a slow decline and getting flaky injury wise? Never understood the fuss with him as he makes too many daft blunders in amongst his good performances. Inter would be perfect for him, and he'll be gone in the summer.
I think his best days are behind him but 'never understood the fuss with him' as a back-to-back Yashin award winner is a bit wild.
Yep, at his best, he was the best in the world (or the equal of those who were). And we saw plenty of him at his best with us. He's kept us in games at times. Yes, in recent times he's not hit those highs, but in goalkeeping terms, he's certainly not "past it". At 33, he could easily have another 2 or 3 years at a very high level.
That said, I don't think it's a coincidence that Liverpool and Man City got rid of Alysson and Ederson, respectively, at 32 and 33. I guess we'll see if Ederson is 'past it' this evening!
I think if we plan to 'make money' from Emi, this year is probably our last chance to do so. From the summer onward, I'd think his value will fall precipitously. That said, I'm not sure January is the time to cash in. We won't get a replacement of similar standard (and we'd definitely need a replacement), and we have too much to play for in the second half of the season to risk changing such an important first-choice role.
I take your point, but Alisson is still Liverpool’s first choice keeper.
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Bearing in mind how the season has gone so far (level on points with second in the league last time I looked) i'd suggest the morale of the squad is probably fine.
I'm not sure. Remember what it was like when Buendia and then Mings got injured in quick succession? Well Kamara and now McGinn, our best player and captain respectively, are set for a spell out. Malen was well liked and he's gone. Lose our keeper too and that's a big hike to fill. I imagine the players are nervous and worrying.
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🚨 Agent & brother of Emi Martínez was spotted yesterday in Milan — there has already been a first meeting.
@DiMarzio
Is that two people or one?
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Rumours on Twitter of Dougie being offered to us from Forest.
Would you take him back?
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Rumours on Twitter of Dougie being offered to us from Forest.
Would you take him back?
Based on his last 2 years, no.
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Based on talkof his physical handicap and having to manage minutes, sadly no.
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Wasn't aware of that.
We sold him at the right time then.
Did well.
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Based on talkof his physical handicap and having to manage minutes, sadly no.
What is that talk? Personally if there was an option to get him back on loan for the rest of the season, I'd snap their hand off given our midfield issues. I'd much rather have him as an option in the middle than one of the kids. Not saying he'd be a starter, but he'd get plenty of minutes in the absence of Kamara, McGinn and Barkley.
I also think a midfield three of Onana, Luiz and Tielemens - if all fit - would give anyone a game.
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He got some kind of muscular issue that hinders his recovery.
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Based on Balague’s book, I strongly doubt Unai will want Dougie back.
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Rumours on Twitter of Dougie being offered to us from Forest.
Would you take him back?
For 2 months yes, then return on the basis he breaks down with a recurrence of the injury. If he's fit and doing the buiss' then great.
I am however dead against signing players who have a decidedly iffy injury record as history has shown. Paul Magrath being the obvious exception.
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I think we sold Dougie at the right time. We’re becoming quite adept at that.
No point in bringing a player who we’re going to be very careful managing an injury. That’s a large part of the problem we have already
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Based on Balague’s book, I strongly doubt Unai will want Dougie back.
Had they a falling out? At worst he's a far superior player to Barkley for one but it's cover for Kamara and McGinn we need to prioritise. Not sure a midfield three with Onana and Tielemans would work to be honest.
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Based on Balague’s book, I strongly doubt Unai will want Dougie back.
Had they a falling out? At worst he's a far superior player to Barkley for one but it's cover for Kamara and McGinn we need to prioritise. Not sure a midfield three with Onana and Tielemans would work to be honest.
Not a falling out, but basically that he’d reached the limit of being able to take on Unai’s instructions. Or something like that.
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Based on Balague’s book, I strongly doubt Unai will want Dougie back.
Had they a falling out? At worst he's a far superior player to Barkley for one but it's cover for Kamara and McGinn we need to prioritise. Not sure a midfield three with Onana and Tielemans would work to be honest.
I disagree he's far superior to Barkley. I'd rate them about he same personally. If Barkley's a few weeks away I dont' see the point in signing Luiz who can't get into a shit side.
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Not sure that Forest should be offering us a player they don't own.
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I am sure Paulie will fall on his sword at the appropriate time and issue a full blooded apology like Toronto did.😀
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Question. Of all these young players we've signed have we actually made money on any of them?
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Does anyone know how much we've wasted on Elliott?
Such a stupid move, that. It would have been simpler just to set fire to a suitcase full of 50 pound notes.
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I am sure Paulie will fall on his sword at the appropriate time and issue a full blooded apology like Toronto did.😀
As long as he doesn't resort to illeism.
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Go find someone else though. A keeper with his stop stopping ability, distribution skills, presence, familiarity with our defence etc. Definitely not a change you need to make mid season.
Agree.
Ge goes in the summer as a villa legend not having destabilised our season. Letting him go now would be nuts.
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Based on Balague’s book, I strongly doubt Unai will want Dougie back.
Had they a falling out? At worst he's a far superior player to Barkley for one but it's cover for Kamara and McGinn we need to prioritise. Not sure a midfield three with Onana and Tielemans would work to be honest.
I disagree he's far superior to Barkley. I'd rate them about he same personally. If Barkley's a few weeks away I dont' see the point in signing Luiz who can't get into a shit side.
Ah stop, in Luiz's last season with us, the one a lot of you are criticising, raw data alone - 53 games played, 10 goals and 10 assists. That's with his form definitely slipping without Kamara towards the end of the season. He wasn't far off one of the best midfielders in the division before then, there was one particular game at Chelsea where he took the piss out of them he was so good. Previous season he was our player of the year.
He has demonstrated a consistent level of performance with us that's levels above Barkley. Equal of Tielemans for me. See how Tielemans goes without Kamara next to him for the rest of the season and compare then.
Rogers wasn't pulling up any trees at Boro either. If Luiz injuries can be managed then I wouldn't let his struggles at Forest (Dycheball) or Juve put us off.
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Does anyone know how much we've wasted on Elliott?
Such a stupid move, that. It would have been simpler just to set fire to a suitcase full of 50 pound notes.
Between him and sancho a hell of a lot of money for loans
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Question. Of all these young players we've signed have we actually made money on any of them?
Off top head -
Kellyman
Chukwuemeka
Monroe
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Duran
Philogene
Tim
Chuck
Kellyman
Munroe
Sinisalo
And soon there'll be a few more.
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Does anyone know how much we've wasted on Elliott?
Such a stupid move, that. It would have been simpler just to set fire to a suitcase full of 50 pound notes.
Between him and sancho a hell of a lot of money for loans
Not great business at all is it. What a terrible summer of business and this window is not looking too promising either.
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Duran
Philogene
Tim
Chuck
Kellyman
Munroe
Sinisalo
And soon there'll be a few more.
Barrenechea will make us a decent profit, especially if we add on loan fees.
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Duran
Philogene
Tim
Chuck
Kellyman
Munroe
Sinisalo
And soon there'll be a few more.
They were academy signings/prospects bar Duran.
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Not one of them came through our academy. All were signed from other clubs.
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Chelsea want to sign Luiz on loan. Strange one.
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There's a difference between signing Ozcan for £5m and hoping to spin him and signing Chukwumeka from Northampton at 16 for nothing. You already know what I'm getting at but if you're adamant it's the same then Sinisalo joining our under 18's from Finland is the same as Nedelkovic joining for £7m. Sure.
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Without their sales we'd be fucked. They were all 16+ when signed. Seems to be the definition of youngsters we sold for profit.
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The academy is fine, it's done a fantastic job. Signing players for £5-10m and trying to spin seems to be a waste of time and resources.
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The amount we sold Duran for more than covers the cost of all the others we signed. We'll make a profit on the Baron, we'd make a massive one on Rogers, we'll probably make one on Gauci. If we sold all of them tomorrow our total profit on them would be massive.
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Does anyone know how much we've wasted on Elliott?
Such a stupid move, that. It would have been simpler just to set fire to a suitcase full of 50 pound notes.
A lot less than if we'd signed him and then decided he is a bad fit.
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Does anyone know how much we've wasted on Elliott?
Such a stupid move, that. It would have been simpler just to set fire to a suitcase full of 50 pound notes.
A lot less than if we'd signed him and then decided he is a bad fit.
Dean Smith is keen on taking him to Charlotte, on TS.
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Could have signed asensio for what elliot cost.
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Does anyone know how much we've wasted on Elliott?
Such a stupid move, that. It would have been simpler just to set fire to a suitcase full of 50 pound notes.
A lot less than if we'd signed him and then decided he is a bad fit.
Dean Smith is keen on taking him to Charlotte, on TS.
Doesn't really matter if he is if Liverpool and/or the player don't agree to anything.
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Could have signed asensio for what elliot cost.
My theory is that was what Emery wanted but the club, with justification Id argue, wanted a younger option. Elliot caught in a bit of a power play.
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We couldn't afford to buy either of them in the summer.
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Could have signed asensio for what elliot cost.
They said an objective of the summer window was to reduce the age profile of the squad. I think that plan was kyboshed because we couldn't shift anyone (Bailey/martinez). However, my guess is Elliot was seen as more aligned with the plan than adding another old head.
It's not come off, but I can see the logic.
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Whatever logic they used, paying a fortune for a player we can't use and who actively prevents us from bringing in another loan player (from an English club) is fucking mental.
The PFA should be working to ban stupid clauses that inhibit their members' ability to actually play football.
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Chukwuemaka is an idiot imo.
He's 22 now and still hasn't established himself anywhere.
If he had stayed with us he'd be going to the World Cup this summer.
But he chose instant gratification over long term development.
A complete idiot but then most footballers are.
Kalvin Phillips, another idiot.
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Chukwuemaka is an idiot imo.
He's 22 now and still hasn't established himself anywhere.
Last seen two days ago playing in the Champions League for Borussia Dortmund, his ninth appearance of the season.
He's hardly disappeared from view, or even worse, joined Everton.
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🚨 Aston Villa are among those monitoring Harry Wilson’s situation before the deadline.
@SamiMokbel_BBC
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🚨🇧🇷 Chelsea and Aston Villa are both considering a loan move for Douglas Luiz this window.
Genuine interest as #NFFC can let Luiz leave, go back to Juventus and join new club on loan.
Chelsea see him as option for depth in midfield, as
@TheAthleticFC
reported.
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🚨🇧🇷 Chelsea and Aston Villa are both considering a loan move for Douglas Luiz this window.
Genuine interest as #NFFC can let Luiz leave, go back to Juventus and join new club on loan.
Chelsea see him as option for depth in midfield, as
@TheAthleticFC
reported.
Chelsea have a lack of depth in midfield?!?!!???!? Is that a joke?!?
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I like Harry Wilson. A better version of Elliot.
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🚨 Aston Villa are among those monitoring Harry Wilson’s situation before the deadline.
@SamiMokbel_BBC
Hope not
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🚨🇧🇷 Chelsea and Aston Villa are both considering a loan move for Douglas Luiz this window.
Genuine interest as #NFFC can let Luiz leave, go back to Juventus and join new club on loan.
Chelsea see him as option for depth in midfield, as
@TheAthleticFC
reported.
Chelsea have a lack of depth in midfield?!?!!???!? Is that a joke?!?
What they mean is Chelsea only have 3 international options in each midfield position apart from one, where they only have 2.
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🚨🇧🇷 Chelsea and Aston Villa are both considering a loan move for Douglas Luiz this window.
Genuine interest as #NFFC can let Luiz leave, go back to Juventus and join new club on loan.
Chelsea see him as option for depth in midfield, as
@TheAthleticFC
reported.
Chelsea have a lack of depth in midfield?!?!!???!? Is that a joke?!?
What they mean is Chelsea only have 3 international options in each midfield position apart from one, where they only have 2.
If it’s real on both Villa’s and Chelsea’s parts, it’s clearly about them trying to restrict a rival. They’d take him and do nothing with him rather than us utilize him.
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🚨 Aston Villa are among those monitoring Harry Wilson’s situation before the deadline.
@SamiMokbel_BBC
Hope not
Same
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Wilsons decent lads.abit injury prone though
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Wilson is ok but at 29 soon i'd avoid.
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🚨 Aston Villa are among those monitoring Harry Wilson’s situation before the deadline.
@SamiMokbel_BBC
Hope not
Why not? He’s a good player. And his contract is expiring. Might not be a bad pick up.
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Wilson is ok but at 29 soon i'd avoid.
You should work for Chelsea.
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🚨 Aston Villa are among those monitoring Harry Wilson’s situation before the deadline.
@SamiMokbel_BBC
Hope not
Why not? He’s a good player. And his contract is expiring. Might not be a bad pick up.
Because I don’t rate him.
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🚨🇧🇷 Chelsea and Aston Villa are both considering a loan move for Douglas Luiz this window.
Genuine interest as #NFFC can let Luiz leave, go back to Juventus and join new club on loan.
Chelsea see him as option for depth in midfield, as
@TheAthleticFC
reported.
Playing here tonight on a swamp in Braga.
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Wilson has scored some cracking goals this season. Where does he play?
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I thought Yuksek in midfield for them tonight looked excellent. Doubt he'd be particularly expensive but he'd be great to replace Barkley, either now or in the summer.
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🚨🇧🇷 Chelsea and Aston Villa are both considering a loan move for Douglas Luiz this window.
Genuine interest as #NFFC can let Luiz leave, go back to Juventus and join new club on loan.
Chelsea see him as option for depth in midfield, as
@TheAthleticFC
reported.
Chelsea have a lack of depth in midfield?!?!!???!? Is that a joke?!?
What they mean is Chelsea only have 3 international options in each midfield position apart from one, where they only have 2.
There was an article on the Beeb yesterday about how they're looking to sign a 9th centre-half
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Wilson has scored some cracking goals this season. Where does he play?
Similar position to McGinn, sort of on the right but very tucked in.
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Wilson has scored some cracking goals this season. Where does he play?
My abiding memory of him is of him crying when the final whistle went at Wembley in that magical game.
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I like Wilson.Harry,not Bob.
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Wilson has scored some cracking goals this season. Where does he play?
Similar position to McGinn, sort of on the right but very tucked in.
Thanks. He’s could be a useful addition to have.
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He's been one of the best players in the Prem this season. Hasn't been for the 10 years previous, but for free we should be in for him.
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I'm not sure on Wilson. He's a decent player who's having easily the best season of his life and he'd be useful right now but I don't know how much gametime he'd get once everyone is fit and I'm always a bit nervy about someone having a first real standout season at that sort of age.
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I'm not sure on Wilson. He's a decent player who's having easily the best season of his life and he'd be useful right now but I don't know how much gametime he'd get once everyone is fit and I'm always a bit nervy about someone having a first real standout season at that sort of age.
Agreed. He strikes me as a middling player having a purple patch. And he'd have no sell-on value.
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I'm not sure on Wilson. He's a decent player who's having easily the best season of his life and he'd be useful right now but I don't know how much gametime he'd get once everyone is fit and I'm always a bit nervy about someone having a first real standout season at that sort of age.
Agreed. He strikes me as a middling player having a purple patch. And he'd have no sell-on value.
And, his stock is high today so his wage would be stupidly high.
Wages are our biggest issue aren’t they ?
I don’t think I’ve ever seen him play and thought, I wish he played for us.
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🚨 Gonçalo Ramos is an option for Aston Villa.
@DuncanCastles
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This seasons Wilson for club and country I would take without doubt. Better than Buendia, Guessand and co. The Wilson for the past 10 years before...nope.
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🚨 Gonçalo Ramos is an option for Aston Villa.
@DuncanCastles
Any good?
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I’ll take him.
Not convinced we could afford him mind.
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No to Wilson, having the season of his life but mostly bang average.
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Benni mccarthy has been offered
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Benni mccarthy has been offered
Is Juninho free?
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🚨 Gonçalo Ramos is an option for Aston Villa.
@DuncanCastles
Any good?
scores alot for Portugal
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RCF is a big admirer, I think I remember.
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I really rate Wilson.He impressed me with his movement and skill for a mediocreFulham side at VP last year.I think it's maturity and Silva being more attacking minded when Fulham started badly this season.
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No to Wilson, having the season of his life but mostly bang average.
He always had the ability though. Just lacked the necessary drive and application. Id be giving Elliot another go before bringing in Wilson.
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Wilson has scored some cracking goals this season. Where does he play?
SJM’s position.
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Wilson for a modest fee would be a very decent squad player in the wide roles for 2-3 seasons.
Ramos is way out of our financial possibility so a non starter.
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🚨 Gonçalo Ramos is an option for Aston Villa.
@DuncanCastles
Looks a lot like McGinn and think he never misses s a pen. Imagine we'd need them to pay some of his wages.
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Wilson has scored some cracking goals this season. Where does he play?
SJM’s position.
And Harvey Elliott's position. So it does feel like a sensible way to fill a squad position.
Think he's also the sort of player that would have benefited from someone like Emery when he was 23 and he might have turned a solid career into a memorable one.
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🚨 Gonçalo Ramos is an option for Aston Villa.
@DuncanCastles
Looks a lot like McGinn and think he never misses s a pen. Imagine we'd need them to pay some of his wages.
Similar arse too?
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Ramos would be a Rashford type signing..not sure what Ollie would make of it. Level above Tammy or Mateta, although the wages would be interesting?
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🚨 Gonçalo Ramos is an option for Aston Villa.
@DuncanCastles
Looks a lot like McGinn and think he never misses s a pen. Imagine we'd need them to pay some of his wages.
Would be a terrific signing for us, but PSG won't want to let him go - he's a legend even though he never plays - which means we'd need to make our money do the talking... yeah, that money.
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Wilson has scored some cracking goals this season. Where does he play?
And potentially still could. He's the type that would slot in on the right and do a really solid job for the team, not coat a fortune and you'd imagine it be decent in the dressing room. I know our squad age is a concern, but numbers wise if the fee etc was right he could be one of the most shrewd pick ups we could do with SJM out. Hopefully Elliot fancies a bit of Charlotte for some game time and it frees us up to do some bits.
SJM’s position.
And Harvey Elliott's position. So it does feel like a sensible way to fill a squad position.
Think he's also the sort of player that would have benefited from someone like Emery when he was 23 and he might have turned a solid career into a memorable one.
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🚨🇧🇷 Chelsea are only interested in a loan deal for Douglas Luiz, no obligation to buy element compared to current Forest deal.
Aston Villa are not proceeding; #CFC are interested but only loan/loan with option not mandatory.
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🚨 Gonçalo Ramos is an option for Aston Villa.
@DuncanCastles
Looks a lot like McGinn and think he never misses s a pen. Imagine we'd need them to pay some of his wages.
Similar arse too?
There's only room for one dominant backside in the squad: Profit & Sustainability (Gluteals) rules, cl. 307(b)(i).
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According to Pete O'Rourke who I thought was an American writer our representatives have flown out to finalise the Tammy deal.
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According to Pete O'Rourke who I thought was an American writer our representatives have flown out to finalise the Tammy deal.
They should have stayed on after last night.
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Talk of the young Turkish lad we signed in the summer going the other way as part of the deal.
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Yacsin Ocsan? I thought he was going to be a real star for us.
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I'm fairly sure the deal with anderlecht is now an obligation to buy
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Me too. Strange one, done nothing out on loan so we've clearly decided to take a bath on him to get Tammy in.
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I'm fairly sure the deal with anderlecht is now an obligation to buy
So is Abraham's deal with Besiktas!
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I'm fairly sure the deal with anderlecht is now an obligation to buy
So is Abraham's deal with Besiktas!
But that's why we're haggling with Besiktas, not Roma. So the same logic would have them haggling with Anderlecht, not us.
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I'm fairly sure the deal with anderlecht is now an obligation to buy
So is Abraham's deal with Besiktas!
But that's why we're haggling with Besiktas, not Roma. So the same logic would have them haggling with Anderlecht, not us.
No it wouldn't. And that's my last word on the subject. Move on, God's sake. We're all correct in a way anyway.
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I read a piece about Ozcan the other day from one of their fans saying he's looked good when he's played but their coach only players their permanent players and there's no interest in giving him the games it takes to make it a permanent deal. Very much a Harvey Elliott type situation.
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He’s been playing for Anderlect’s reserves/B team I think I read. Some suggestions it’s £18m + Ozcan for Tammy.
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He’s been playing for Anderlect’s reserves/B team I think I read. Some suggestions it’s £18m + Ozcan for Tammy.
That would be a great deal for them.
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Ozcan is caught up in a bit of a political struggle at Anderlecht, I think.
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Ozcan was such a weird signing.
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The only appearance he has made at Villa Park is sat in the Trinity Road with a baseball cap on.
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🚨🟣🔵 Tammy Abraham to Aston Villa, here we go! Verbal agreement in principle with Besiktas after personal terms done days ago.
€21m plus add-ons, Yasin Özcan will be also included as part of the agreement.
#AVFC in Turkey now with their directors to formally seal the deal.
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So, we paid €7m for Ozcan 12 months' ago: I'm guessing his book value is around €5.5m which values Tammy at around €15.5m. Not bad for an established 28-yr old striker.
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I'm fairly sure the deal with anderlecht is now an obligation to buy
So is Abraham's deal with Besiktas!
But that's why we're haggling with Besiktas, not Roma. So the same logic would have them haggling with Anderlecht, not us.
Maybe that's why it's taken a while? There's 4 parties involved - us, Besiktas, Roma, and Anderlecht - and the whole thing possibly involves us taking Bailey back off Roma too.
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Ozcan was such a weird signing.
Signing him made sense, what we did thereafter was weird.
I hope the €21m we're paying includes Ozcan rather than €21m plus Ozcan.
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He was a stock pile signing to use for such an occasion I guess
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He was a stock pile signing to use for such an occasion I guess
A lot of these youngsters are treated like Panini cards, and just traded when necessary.
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I don't think so. I suspect what really happened is we signed him 6 months before he joined and in the meantime our U18s won everything and Routh in particular was very impressive in that run I guess he just leap-frogged ahead of Ozcan and we ended up not really having the same need we'd identified this time last year. We did seem to try him at left back more in pre-season which suggested we wanted to see if that could be another plan but in the end we seem to have decided he wasn't what we needed. It's not great but I can see how the academy performances will have changed our thinking. Since then we have seen 4-5 of that team on the bench so there's clearly some plan to give these youngsters a chance to make it with us.
! thing I've noticed with Emery is that he does seem to look at some players and decide he wants to see them in training with his players and then if they don't fit he'll quickly move on from them, there have been a fair few like it now.
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Just need to make sure we get a cut from any future Ozcan sale and we are a happy enough bunch. It gets Ozcan’s salary off the books too, however much that is.
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Three grand a week or similar football chump-change.
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Three grand a week or similar football chump-change.
Would imagine way more than that….decent fee, relocating countries with different tax rules maybe times by 5 and be closer?
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Three grand a week or similar football chump-change.
No wonder he couldn't afford to learn English or Flemish.
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🚨 Gonçalo Ramos is an option for Aston Villa.
@DuncanCastles
Looks a lot like McGinn and think he never misses s a pen. Imagine we'd need them to pay some of his wages.
Would be a terrific signing for us, but PSG won't want to let him go - he's a legend even though he never plays - which means we'd need to make our money do the talking... yeah, that money.
True but he's the one wanting the move because he wants and needs to play regular football. The lack of first team football means Portugal are sitting him on the bench and the old fart Ronaldo is wearing his shirt which is going to ruin any chance they have at the World Cup.
I've been banking on the sale of Watkins after a great season and World Cup in the summer and topping up that value to get Ramos. He'd fit into our system hand in glove, something he may struggle to find elsewhere. It's a match made in heaven. As you say, the money part is the killer and ends the dream. Expect us to be offered one of Atletico's strikers in the summer, if Ramos does go there. Alvarez being the pick of the pack.
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I very much doubt we'd have the pull, or finances, to get Alvarez.
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Alvarez is going to Arsenal apparently.
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I very much doubt we'd have the pull, or finances, to get Alvarez.
Well he happily signed for Atletico, why not Villa (other than the lack of cash to spend)?
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Alvarez has stepped up a level there, there’s not a chance he’s coming here.
We need to sort a midfielder.
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Alvarez is going to Arsenal apparently.
That makes sense, they're a bit short in the attacking dept.
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SJM is clearly out for a good few weeks so we really need a midfielder in ASAP. I am guessing Bailey is our winger option in this window, so a centre mid is probably the only further signing we will make.
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Alvarez has stepped up a level there, there’s not a chance he’s coming here.
Well if Kippax is right and he's going to Arsenal we can offer him the same; Champions League football and a non-title winning place in the top 4. Hopefully we can add an European winning cup to swing the appeal.
I was begging for us to sign him a year before he left River Plate for Man City. I can't believe Slippy Gee wasn't reading these pages at the time.
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I don't think so. I suspect what really happened is we signed him 6 months before he joined and in the meantime our U18s won everything and Routh in particular was very impressive in that run I guess he just leap-frogged ahead of Ozcan and we ended up not really having the same need we'd identified this time last year. We did seem to try him at left back more in pre-season which suggested we wanted to see if that could be another plan but in the end we seem to have decided he wasn't what we needed. It's not great but I can see how the academy performances will have changed our thinking. Since then we have seen 4-5 of that team on the bench so there's clearly some plan to give these youngsters a chance to make it with us.
! thing I've noticed with Emery is that he does seem to look at some players and decide he wants to see them in training with his players and then if they don't fit he'll quickly move on from them, there have been a fair few like it now.
There's Routh, TJ and Feeney at CB; all with potential (and the latter with significant experience).
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Why not try and tempt Alex Scott from Bournemouth? - he'd provide excellent MF oomph...
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Blooding our own kids and giving them PL minutes also adds millions to their value.
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Why not try and tempt Alex Scott from Bournemouth? - he'd provide excellent MF oomph...
Good shout, looks a cracking player.
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We definitely need another midfielder that misses loads of games.
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By that token, we shouldn't be interested in Wharton either.
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we don't really blood many youngsters that stay in the team - Bogarde has done well, surprisingly better than most imagined
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I don't think so. I suspect what really happened is we signed him 6 months before he joined and in the meantime our U18s won everything and Routh in particular was very impressive in that run I guess he just leap-frogged ahead of Ozcan and we ended up not really having the same need we'd identified this time last year. We did seem to try him at left back more in pre-season which suggested we wanted to see if that could be another plan but in the end we seem to have decided he wasn't what we needed. It's not great but I can see how the academy performances will have changed our thinking. Since then we have seen 4-5 of that team on the bench so there's clearly some plan to give these youngsters a chance to make it with us.
! thing I've noticed with Emery is that he does seem to look at some players and decide he wants to see them in training with his players and then if they don't fit he'll quickly move on from them, there have been a fair few like it now.
There's Routh, TJ and Feeney at CB; all with potential (and the latter with significant experience).
Yep, all 3 look like good talents but, for me, Routh looks like he's got the physicality to handle it as well as the talent, I'm less sure on the other 2.
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I don't think so. I suspect what really happened is we signed him 6 months before he joined and in the meantime our U18s won everything and Routh in particular was very impressive in that run I guess he just leap-frogged ahead of Ozcan and we ended up not really having the same need we'd identified this time last year. We did seem to try him at left back more in pre-season which suggested we wanted to see if that could be another plan but in the end we seem to have decided he wasn't what we needed. It's not great but I can see how the academy performances will have changed our thinking. Since then we have seen 4-5 of that team on the bench so there's clearly some plan to give these youngsters a chance to make it with us.
! thing I've noticed with Emery is that he does seem to look at some players and decide he wants to see them in training with his players and then if they don't fit he'll quickly move on from them, there have been a fair few like it now.
There's Routh, TJ and Feeney at CB; all with potential (and the latter with significant experience).
Yep, all 3 look like good talents but, for me, Routh looks like he's got the physicality to handle it as well as the talent, I'm less sure on the other 2.
Apologies for my ignorance, but where are these kids playing at the moment?
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I don't think so. I suspect what really happened is we signed him 6 months before he joined and in the meantime our U18s won everything and Routh in particular was very impressive in that run I guess he just leap-frogged ahead of Ozcan and we ended up not really having the same need we'd identified this time last year. We did seem to try him at left back more in pre-season which suggested we wanted to see if that could be another plan but in the end we seem to have decided he wasn't what we needed. It's not great but I can see how the academy performances will have changed our thinking. Since then we have seen 4-5 of that team on the bench so there's clearly some plan to give these youngsters a chance to make it with us.
! thing I've noticed with Emery is that he does seem to look at some players and decide he wants to see them in training with his players and then if they don't fit he'll quickly move on from them, there have been a fair few like it now.
There's Routh, TJ and Feeney at CB; all with potential (and the latter with significant experience).
Yep, all 3 look like good talents but, for me, Routh looks like he's got the physicality to handle it as well as the talent, I'm less sure on the other 2.
Apologies for my ignorance, but where are these kids playing at the moment?
Routh and TJ were in our treble-winning under-18s last season and are still at the club, Feeney is on loan at Huddersfield (unless he’s moved in Jan and I haven’t heard).
Cisse, who we bought from LASK and loaned back to them, is possibly the best centre-back we have bar the four in the first team squad.
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Yep, Routh and TJ Carroll were superb and have both been on a bench this season when we had a few injuries at the back. All that said though Ozcan is apparently only going on loan so maybe he'll get another look in the summer.
Aside from that I can see us holding off any doing much at right back as well because Rowe looked really good and Burrowes seems to be in the middle of being converted to a fullback. I can see a fair few of these lot getting appearances towards the end of the season if the title is gone but the top5 is safe. They'll all be free to use in Europe so getting them some experience is a great way to add a little extra depth.
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Why not try and tempt Alex Scott from Bournemouth? - he'd provide excellent MF oomph...
Good shout, looks a cracking player.
We should target the next cab in the rank in the championship rather than buying off PL clubs. At the risk of starting a taxi pun-fest, Hackney would be my target.
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Yep, Routh and TJ Carroll were superb and have both been on a bench this season when we had a few injuries at the back. All that said though Ozcan is apparently only going on loan so maybe he'll get another look in the summer.
Aside from that I can see us holding off any doing much at right back as well because Rowe looked really good and Burrowes seems to be in the middle of being converted to a fullback. I can see a fair few of these lot getting appearances towards the end of the season if the title is gone but the top5 is safe. They'll all be free to use in Europe so getting them some experience is a great way to add a little extra depth.
I hope this is the case. The way forward for us is to develop several players who can do a job at this level. The challenge is the level we are at is elite.
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Why not try and tempt Alex Scott from Bournemouth? - he'd provide excellent MF oomph...
Good shout, looks a cracking player.
We should target the next cab in the rank in the championship rather than buying off PL clubs. At the risk of starting a taxi pun-fest, Hackney would be my target.
Having focussed on Hackney several times now he looks a class act. Would he be a long term replacement for Tielemans the way he dictates the play.
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We should target the next cab in the rank in the championship rather than buying off PL clubs. At the risk of starting a taxi pun-fest, Hackney would be my target.
Hackneyed take
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Why not try and tempt Alex Scott from Bournemouth? - he'd provide excellent MF oomph...
Good shout, looks a cracking player.
We should target the next cab in the rank in the championship rather than buying off PL clubs. At the risk of starting a taxi pun-fest, Hackney would be my target.
Hackney certainly has the ability to play at a much higher level, but does he have the knowledge?
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Why not try and tempt Alex Scott from Bournemouth? - he'd provide excellent MF oomph...
Good shout, looks a cracking player.
We should target the next cab in the rank in the championship rather than buying off PL clubs. At the risk of starting a taxi pun-fest, Hackney would be my target.
Hackney certainly has the ability to play at a much higher level, but does he have the knowledge?
Not sure I’d be Uber confident that he could make the step up.
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Why not try and tempt Alex Scott from Bournemouth? - he'd provide excellent MF oomph...
Good shout, looks a cracking player.
We should target the next cab in the rank in the championship rather than buying off PL clubs. At the risk of starting a taxi pun-fest, Hackney would be my target.
Hackney certainly has the ability to play at a much higher level, but does he have the knowledge?
Would his transfer fee impact on financial fare play ?
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NO.
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Why not try and tempt Alex Scott from Bournemouth? - he'd provide excellent MF oomph...
Good shout, looks a cracking player.
We should target the next cab in the rank in the championship rather than buying off PL clubs. At the risk of starting a taxi pun-fest, Hackney would be my target.
Hackney certainly has the ability to play at a much higher level, but does he have the knowledge?
Would his transfer fee impact on financial fare play ?
Do you not have have the knowledge on that ?
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Someone think up of a pun about not going south of the river this time of night
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Why hasn't the Dibbling dribbler done much at Everton? Everyone was supping his bathwater last year.
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AC Milan are demanding €15m from Aston Villa for Ruben Loftus-Cheek. @cmdotcom
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AC Milan are demanding €15m from Aston Villa for Ruben Loftus-Cheek. @cmdotcom
I think they will find we can be the ‘demanding ones’
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AC Milan are demanding €15m from Aston Villa for Ruben Loftus-Cheek. @cmdotcom
No thanks.
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Yep, Routh and TJ Carroll were superb and have both been on a bench this season when we had a few injuries at the back. All that said though Ozcan is apparently only going on loan so maybe he'll get another look in the summer.
Aside from that I can see us holding off any doing much at right back as well because Rowe looked really good and Burrowes seems to be in the middle of being converted to a fullback. I can see a fair few of these lot getting appearances towards the end of the season if the title is gone but the top5 is safe. They'll all be free to use in Europe so getting them some experience is a great way to add a little extra depth.
There's also Mosquera as well, of course; another CB with potential within our academy.
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Why not try and tempt Alex Scott from Bournemouth? - he'd provide excellent MF oomph...
Good shout, looks a cracking player.
We should target the next cab in the rank in the championship rather than buying off PL clubs. At the risk of starting a taxi pun-fest, Hackney would be my target.
You're right, although the bidding price on Hackney has apparently already reached £25m (according to a Boro-supporting mate). I mentioned Scott because Bournemouth are very much a selling club and we need someone who can come straight into the side. However, I agree with you that identifying the "next big thing" from the Championship makes sense (Rogers being the prime example). The killer-question is - who??
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That’s the rub I guess. £30m for Hackney and integrate slowly, or £45m to £60m for Scott/Wharton and all the expectations that go with a fee of that size.
I don’t think we have the money to support option 2.
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Why not try and tempt Alex Scott?
Good player but I think she’s retired now to concentrate on presenting ‘The One Show.’
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Why not try and tempt Alex Scott?
Good player but I think she’s retired now to concentrate on presenting ‘The One Show.’
Inevitable, I suppose :-\ :-\ ;D
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Why not try and tempt Alex Scott from Bournemouth? - he'd provide excellent MF oomph...
Good shout, looks a cracking player.
We should target the next cab in the rank in the championship rather than buying off PL clubs. At the risk of starting a taxi pun-fest, Hackney would be my target.
You're right, although the bidding price on Hackney has apparently already reached £25m (according to a Boro-supporting mate). I mentioned Scott because Bournemouth are very much a selling club and we need someone who can come straight into the side. However, I agree with you that identifying the "next big thing" from the Championship makes sense (Rogers being the prime example). The killer-question is - who??
Our 'up and coming' neighbours in blue must have a few 'next big things' worth sniffing around.
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Why not try and tempt Alex Scott from Bournemouth? - he'd provide excellent MF oomph...
Good shout, looks a cracking player.
We should target the next cab in the rank in the championship rather than buying off PL clubs. At the risk of starting a taxi pun-fest, Hackney would be my target.
You're right, although the bidding price on Hackney has apparently already reached £25m (according to a Boro-supporting mate). I mentioned Scott because Bournemouth are very much a selling club and we need someone who can come straight into the side. However, I agree with you that identifying the "next big thing" from the Championship makes sense (Rogers being the prime example). The killer-question is - who??
Our 'up and coming' neighbours in blue must have a few 'next big things' worth sniffing around.
They are called chimneys
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The lesser spotted tramstop.
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The lesser spotted tramstop.
I think you left a 'p' out
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Some reports about us wanting Weston McKennie who's out of contract this summer. No idea whether he's available this window but that's Mingueza, Wilson and McKennie who all have their contracts running down and could help strengthen us.
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Some reports about us wanting Weston McKennie who's out of contract this summer. No idea whether he's available this window but that's Mingueza, Wilson and McKennie who all have their contracts running down and could help strengthen us.
There could be something in this. My uncle has a small sausages and crisps distribution business in Perry Barr and he’s cancelled all the staff annual leave for the next 3.5 years. His mate is in reinforced mattresses and he’s just bought a caravan in Dubai.
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;D
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Some reports about us wanting Weston McKennie who's out of contract this summer. No idea whether he's available this window but that's Mingueza, Wilson and McKennie who all have their contracts running down and could help strengthen us.
There could be something in this. My uncle has a small sausage
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There’s no one that we’ve been properly linked to or even signed so far that’s got me super excited maybe apart from that Marmoush who I don’t think was actually a thing anyway
All ‘they can do a job’ type bodies
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There’s no one that we’ve been properly linked to or even signed so far that’s got me super excited maybe apart from that Marmoush who I don’t think was actually a thing anyway
All ‘they can do a job’ type bodies
I don’t see it at all. And he just scored vs Wolves.
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I noticed Ayari has scored for Brighton today, whenever I’ve seen highlights of them he always seems to be involved and looks a decent player.
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An option for the summer maybe. Bissouma on a free from Spurs. He's 30 this year, never really shown his talent since moving from Brighton, but Unai loves a player who's lost his way.
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The lesser spotted tramstop.
I think you left a 'p' out
Very good.
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An option for the summer maybe. Bissouma on a free from Spurs. He's 30 this year, never really shown his talent since moving from Brighton, but Unai loves a player who's lost his way.
It's a no from me.
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An option for the summer maybe. Bissouma on a free from Spurs. He's 30 this year, never really shown his talent since moving from Brighton, but Unai loves a player who's lost his way.
Wages are always going to be a problem. I'd rather we search for a younger player on lower wages that can be developed. Ideally at an age with a resale value too.
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An option for the summer maybe. Bissouma on a free from Spurs. He's 30 this year, never really shown his talent since moving from Brighton, but Unai loves a player who's lost his way.
Wages are always going to be a problem. I'd rather we search for a younger player on lower wages that can be developed. Ideally at an age with a resale value too.
This is key. We need to lower the age profile, the wages and increase the athleticism of the squad. The issue is Emery prefers a finished product although clearly he’s willing to give players a go if he rates them (Rogers).
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I'd happily take Wilson, think he would be a really smart signing that would be an excellent squad player.
Bissouma is a position we need to find a much younger more mobile option in that stays fit. There must be options out there.
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I'd happily take Wilson, think he would be a really smart signing that would be an excellent squad player.
Agreed. He's still only 28, and has 14 goals in the last two seasons (in 47 games).
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I'd happily take Wilson, think he would be a really smart signing that would be an excellent squad player.
Agreed. He's still only 28, and has 14 goals in the last two seasons (in 47 games).
Good player but he’s in Fulham’s first team most weeks, would we be able to offer the same?
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I watched the game today (fulham Brighton). i didn’t really think he did much other than the goal . Keeper would be disappointed not keeping it out
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I watched the game today (fulham Brighton). i didn’t really think he did much other than the goal . Keeper would be disappointed not keeping it out
His stats this season are fantastic for a midfielder. Lots of assists lots of goals. I’d be happy with him to help us over the line.
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I watched the game today (fulham Brighton). i didn’t really think he did much other than the goal . Keeper would be disappointed not keeping it out
His stats this season are fantastic for a midfielder. Lots of assists lots of goals. I’d be happy with him to help us over the line.
Nope me neither , just commenting on today’s game
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An option for the summer maybe. Bissouma on a free from Spurs. He's 30 this year, never really shown his talent since moving from Brighton, but Unai loves a player who's lost his way.
It's a no from me.
He's meant to have a terrible attitude off the pitch, lazy and late if I remember correctly.
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I watched the game today (fulham Brighton). i didn’t really think he did much other than the goal . Keeper would be disappointed not keeping it out
His stats this season are fantastic for a midfielder. Lots of assists lots of goals. I’d be happy with him to help us over the line.
Nope me neither , just commenting on today’s game
Diaby often had that habit, not feature too much the pop up with a goal or assist.
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An option for the summer maybe. Bissouma on a free from Spurs. He's 30 this year, never really shown his talent since moving from Brighton, but Unai loves a player who's lost his way.
It's a no from me.
He's meant to have a terrible attitude off the pitch, lazy and late if I remember correctly.
Not sure how much that is really smoke and mirrors - I got the impression he was being held up as an example for Frank's new and more disciplined regime (in contrast with Ange's dilettantes). It's notable that as Frank has become increasingly desperate to cling on to his job, Bissouma has been "forgiven" and is back in the first XI.
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An option for the summer maybe. Bissouma on a free from Spurs. He's 30 this year, never really shown his talent since moving from Brighton, but Unai loves a player who's lost his way.
It's a no from me.
He's meant to have a terrible attitude off the pitch, lazy and late if I remember correctly.
Not sure how much that is really smoke and mirrors - I got the impression he was being held up as an example for Frank's new and more disciplined regime (in contrast with Ange's dilettantes). It's notable that as Frank has become increasingly desperate to cling on to his job, Bissouma has been "forgiven" and is back in the first XI.
He looked like the next big thing at Brighton, got the Spurs gig and has done nothing. No thanks.
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Arguably more to do with Spurs can’t be botheredness than a lack of quality from Bissouma. I wonder if Unai would get more out of him. A good shout if so.
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An option for the summer maybe. Bissouma on a free from Spurs. He's 30 this year, never really shown his talent since moving from Brighton, but Unai loves a player who's lost his way.
It's a no from me.
He's meant to have a terrible attitude off the pitch, lazy and late if I remember correctly.
Not sure how much that is really smoke and mirrors - I got the impression he was being held up as an example for Frank's new and more disciplined regime (in contrast with Ange's dilettantes). It's notable that as Frank has become increasingly desperate to cling on to his job, Bissouma has been "forgiven" and is back in the first XI.
Well you have to bring players in from the cold sometime. Doesn't change the fact that he was disciplined and no other players were so you'd think it was reasonable given Bissouma didn't go running to thevPFA.
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An option for the summer maybe. Bissouma on a free from Spurs. He's 30 this year, never really shown his talent since moving from Brighton, but Unai loves a player who's lost his way.
It's a no from me.
He's meant to have a terrible attitude off the pitch, lazy and late if I remember correctly.
Not sure how much that is really smoke and mirrors - I got the impression he was being held up as an example for Frank's new and more disciplined regime (in contrast with Ange's dilettantes). It's notable that as Frank has become increasingly desperate to cling on to his job, Bissouma has been "forgiven" and is back in the first XI.
Well you have to bring players in from the cold sometime. Doesn't change the fact that he was disciplined and no other players were so you'd think it was reasonable given Bissouma didn't go running to thevPFA.
They let Ndombele go for free last summer, that's £100m plus written off on those two, that's a lot of cheese room experiences to shift to cover that.
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Doesn’t Bissouma have some ‘interesting’ allegations following him around?
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Doesn’t Bissouma have some ‘interesting’ allegations following him around?
I thought the whole ‘live badgers, Swarfega and a member of the Household Cavalry’ thing turned out to be a hoax?
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Doesn’t Bissouma have some ‘interesting’ allegations following him around?
Edit: allegedly.
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Doesn’t Bissouma have some ‘interesting’ allegations following him around?
I thought the whole ‘live badgers, Swarfega and a member of the Household Cavalry’ thing turned out to be a hoax?
Have you been reading my texts?
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Swarfega. That’s gonna sting.
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An option for the summer maybe. Bissouma on a free from Spurs. He's 30 this year, never really shown his talent since moving from Brighton, but Unai loves a player who's lost his way.
It's a no from me.
He's meant to have a terrible attitude off the pitch, lazy and late if I remember correctly.
Not sure how much that is really smoke and mirrors - I got the impression he was being held up as an example for Frank's new and more disciplined regime (in contrast with Ange's dilettantes). It's notable that as Frank has become increasingly desperate to cling on to his job, Bissouma has been "forgiven" and is back in the first XI.
I'm pretty sure his 'issues' have been known with Ange, also.
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I watched the game today (fulham Brighton). i didn’t really think he did much other than the goal . Keeper would be disappointed not keeping it out
His stats this season are fantastic for a midfielder. Lots of assists lots of goals. I’d be happy with him to help us over the line.
Watched him for Wales over the years and something really seems to have clicked with him recently. Might just be a hot streak of form, but he has certainly been playing well. Plays number 10 or on the right and takes good set pieces. Not entirely sure he'd offer much more than Buendia does though.
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I don’t think we will buy a midfielder. i think he will rely on what we have with Barkley coming back Hemmings and maybe Harvey Elliott re entering the scene
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Expecting a frantic end to the window.
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I don’t think we will buy a midfielder. i think he will rely on what we have with Barkley coming back Hemmings and maybe Harvey Elliott re entering the scene
Doesn't Elliott need to play 5 games in the second half of the season to trigger the move?
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I don’t think we will buy a midfielder. i think he will rely on what we have with Barkley coming back Hemmings and maybe Harvey Elliott re entering the scene
Doesn't Elliott need to play 5 games in the second half of the season to trigger the move?
Yes but there are rumours it had been negotiated to option to buy . That is why i thought he was in the squad
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I don’t think we will buy a midfielder. i think he will rely on what we have with Barkley coming back Hemmings and maybe Harvey Elliott re entering the scene
We cant really on barkley after 2-3 games he just gets injured again.
Id let himgo on a free come the summer
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I don’t think we will buy a midfielder. i think he will rely on what we have with Barkley coming back Hemmings and maybe Harvey Elliott re entering the scene
Interesting that Emery mentioned Hemmings having to be ready to play now, when unprompted in his interview with BBC/MOTD after the game.
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I reckon he starts midweek.
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Doesn’t Bissouma have some ‘interesting’ allegations following him around?
Lots of narrative when he was at Brighton for sure. Avoid.
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Doesn’t Bissouma have some ‘interesting’ allegations following him around?
Lots of narrative when he was at Brighton for sure. Avoid.
Is there a link to these rumours. I’ve heard nothing but don’t use twitter so reliant of here and news outlets.
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He seemed to have a few things going in the past but that was cleared up ? His main issue now is time keeping isn’t it ?
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I was desperate to get bissouma when he became available at Brighton.
Not so sure now though.
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Youri's ankle twist yesterday does not look good, hopefully not too serious. If he's out then we are very light in midfield. Onana is brilliant, you'd worry that injury is just around the corner for him.
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He seemed to have a few things going in the past but that was cleared up ? His main issue now is time keeping isn’t it ?
Sent off playing for his country in the recent AFCON tournament, he looked to be out of control.
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We simply have to get a reasonably fit, robust central midfielder in this week. Out wide Bailey and the upturn in Sancho gives us enough probably. Just get a fit, able player in midfield please Villa.
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Bissouma always looked overrated to me, much like Philips. I don't see it as a massive surprise that both of them have failed when given a chance at a higher level.
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Bissouma was very good at Brighton. Wouldn't touch him with a barge pole now though. Would honestly rather have Loftus Cheek
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If Tielemans is out for a few weeks then it's a no brainer for me to bring back Luiz. Far too much to expect Bogarde, Hemmings or Barkley if/when he returns to step up at such a crucial part of the season.
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Being linked with a centre back from Berlin on a free in the summer. Apparently cousin of Bogarde.
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Being linked with a centre back from Berlin on a free in the summer. Apparently cousin of Bogarde.
Seems like half of the Netherlands is related to Winston Bogarde.
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He seemed to have a few things going in the past but that was cleared up ? His main issue now is time keeping isn’t it ?
Hopefully he won't show up for his medical at BMH until February 3rd.
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Being linked with a centre back from Berlin on a free in the summer. Apparently cousin of Bogarde.
Seems like half of the Netherlands is related to Winston Bogarde.
It's a small, liberal place, you don't know who you're shagging on the dams.
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I'd happily take Wilson, think he would be a really smart signing that would be an excellent squad player.
Agreed. He's still only 28, and has 14 goals in the last two seasons (in 47 games).
Good player but he’s in Fulham’s first team most weeks, would we be able to offer the same?
Not sure that's what he'd be looking for in his next move. He's done "bench at a big club", he's now done "important first team player at a mid-range club", I reckon his next move is "earning more money as a squad player at a big club to get some European nights and maybe a medal or two"
We're the sort of club that I expect he'd be looking at to do that. He'd get plenty of opportunity to play for us, even if weren't starting very often.
Incidentally...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G_ihw2ZWYAARekr?format=jpg)
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Curiouser and curiouser
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Curiouser and curiouser
It's disgusting how our players are trying to tap up those from smaller clubs.
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I don't like us shopping in the munter bin.
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Curiouser and curiouser
It's disgusting how our players are trying to tap up those from smaller clubs.
or just good mates👀
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Just watching Sky Transfer Talk
The analysis on us and understanding is incredibly poor
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People saying Semenyo would have been a good fit, which I don’t disagree with but what about Ademola Lookman.
More a summer purchase, when we can spend a bit more, but he’s been brilliant for Atalanta, had a falling out with Gasperini but back in favour with their new boss. Wide player or second striker, knows the league, very experienced and cheaper than Semenyo.
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I'd happily take Wilson, think he would be a really smart signing that would be an excellent squad player.
Agreed. He's still only 28, and has 14 goals in the last two seasons (in 47 games).
Good player but he’s in Fulham’s first team most weeks, would we be able to offer the same?
Not sure that's what he'd be looking for in his next move. He's done "bench at a big club", he's now done "important first team player at a mid-range club", I reckon his next move is "earning more money as a squad player at a big club to get some European nights and maybe a medal or two"
We're the sort of club that I expect he'd be looking at to do that. He'd get plenty of opportunity to play for us, even if weren't starting very often.
Incidentally...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G_ihw2ZWYAARekr?format=jpg)
I've said I think he absolutely fits the bill for us, exactly the age Emery likes, knows his game, suits a few positions in our setup and available on a free.
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People saying Semenyo would have been a good fit, which I don’t disagree with but what about Ademola Lookman.
More a summer purchase, when we can spend a bit more, but he’s been brilliant for Atalanta, had a falling out with Gasperini but back in favour with their new boss. Wide player or second striker, knows the league, very experienced and cheaper than Semenyo.
He's got a great name. It sounds like a lyric to a Nile Rodgers sex track, which is my favourite kind of sex track. Get him in.
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That is good scouting SE 💪
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People saying Semenyo would have been a good fit, which I don’t disagree with but what about Ademola Lookman.
More a summer purchase, when we can spend a bit more, but he’s been brilliant for Atalanta, had a falling out with Gasperini but back in favour with their new boss. Wide player or second striker, knows the league, very experienced and cheaper than Semenyo.
He's got a great name. It sounds like a lyric to a Nile Rodgers sex track, which is my favourite kind of sex track. Get him in.
"I feel your love, Lookman"
Yes, gerrim' in.
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Fulham are strongly linked with signing Oscar Bobb this month. Maybe with a view to him replacing Harry Wilson?
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No, replacing Traore Adama and the oiliest biceps that ever moved to Nile Rodgers.
He turned 30 yesterday by the way, (Adama, not Nile).
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The problem with Lookman is he's had 3 shots in the premier league and been average in all of them.
Oscar Bobb looks good though, if he's moving it's one I'd be interested in.
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Oscar Bobb sounds like a French disco star of the late 70's that worked with Nile Rogers to produce some underground hits, but never enjoyed the mainstream appeal in the wider market that he had at home.
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Oscar Bobb sounds like a French disco star of the late 70's that worked with Nile Rogers to produce some underground hits, but never enjoyed the mainstream appeal in the wider market that he had at home.
He sounds like a blowjob in the back of a Hackney cab.
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Oscar Bobb sounds like a French disco star of the late 70's that worked with Nile Rogers to produce some underground hits, but never enjoyed the mainstream appeal in the wider market that he had at home.
He sounds like a blowjob in the back of a Hackney cab.
Is that the Cockney slang for it then ?
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No, replacing Traore Adama and the oiliest biceps that ever moved to Nile Rodgers.
He turned 30 yesterday by the way, (Adama, not Nile).
The moment he loses his pace, I expect to see him drop off the face of the footballing earth pretty quickly. He's a pretty average footballer, who is very strong and very quick. Without the latter, the former don't do much for him - if anything, his size will be a hindrance the moment his pace starts going.
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The problem with Lookman is he's had 3 shots in the premier league and been average in all of them.
Oscar Bobb looks good though, if he's moving it's one I'd be interested in.
I knew he was at Everton but having looked didn’t realise he’d also been on loan at Leicester and Fulham. I agree he didn’t pull up any trees then but he’s more experienced now but my main point was he’s a similar player to Semenyo, slightly older but would be cheaper. Plus UE can work his magic on him.
I was just throwing his name out there as we’ve not been linked.
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We really don't want to be signing any players nearing 30 on long contracts.
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Oscar Bobb sounds like a French disco star of the late 70's that worked with Nile Rogers to produce some underground hits, but never enjoyed the mainstream appeal in the wider market that he had at home.
He sounds like a blowjob in the back of a Hackney cab.
In a dimly lit room full of loathing and hate
They're selling their souls and I just can't wait
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We really don't want to be signing any players nearing 30 on long contracts.
Yeah i agree. Thats what gerrad did and thats why we find ourselves in this mess
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We really don't want to be signing any players nearing 30 on long contracts.
Yeah i agree. Thats what gerrad did and thats why we find ourselves in this mess
The mess that is the current French international Lucas Digne, and Bouba Kamara?
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BBC gossip column has Lazio bidding £15m for Tim Iroegbunam. What’s the likelihood of us having a sell on clause?
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BBC gossip column has Lazio bidding £15m for Tim Iroegbunam. What’s the likelihood of us having a sell on clause?
It's from Football Insider, I wouldn't worry about it too much.
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We really don't want to be signing any players nearing 30 on long contracts.
Yeah i agree. Thats what gerrad did and thats why we find ourselves in this mess
The mess that is the current French international Lucas Digne, and Bouba Kamara?
Done credit Gerard with Kamara? I thought that deal was in place before he started?
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BBC gossip column has Lazio bidding £15m for Tim Iroegbunam. What’s the likelihood of us having a sell on clause?
Wasn’t his move to Everton held up as an example of our dodgy accounting? Lo and behold, he actually was worth the money. Now if we can get the same for Dobbin…
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Gerrard flew out to Bouba’s home. Blaming Gerrard at this stage is a stretch.
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The mess that is the current French international Lucas Digne, and Bouba Kamara?
Done credit Gerard with Kamara? I thought that deal was in place before he started?
Didn't he fly over to France to seal the deal? Atlético Madrid had been in contact beforehand, but dropped their interest because Bouba was barefoot and wearing shorts when their sporting director went to his house.
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Gerard maybe can spot a player he just cant coach them
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Gerrard gets MASSIVE credit for signing Bouba on a free. He just loses it all again for signing Coutinho on a 4-year contract.
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Fair play to Gerrard then. Also Digne, he's been another good signing.
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Gerrard gets MASSIVE credit for signing Bouba on a free. He just loses it all again for signing Coutinho on a 4-year contract.
I thought Coutinho was all done by the Fernando Torres of Finance?
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BBC gossip column has Lazio bidding £15m for Tim Iroegbunam. What’s the likelihood of us having a sell on clause?
Wasn’t his move to Everton held up as an example of our dodgy accounting? Lo and behold, he actually was worth the money. Now if we can get the same for Dobbin…
Thats the most villa thing ever - doing a sly one only to work out that we still get the bad end of the deal.
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BBC gossip column has Lazio bidding £15m for Tim Iroegbunam. What’s the likelihood of us having a sell on clause?
Wasn’t his move to Everton held up as an example of our dodgy accounting? Lo and behold, he actually was worth the money. Now if we can get the same for Dobbin…
Thats a very good point. He’s not played enough for his value to increase therefore it’s pretty harsh that UEFA questioned/reduced his book value.
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Rumours around about Doug again on loan
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It’s had the Fabrizio Romano treatment so there’s at least a bit of smoke
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🚨🟣🔵 Aston Villa back in active talks for Douglas Luiz after initial approach revealed last week.
Negotiations ongoing with Juventus while Chelsea are also exploring different options in midfield.
#AVFC working on Douglas Luiz return as priority with 2 more options on list.
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🚨 NEW: Douglas Luiz to Aston Villa — negotiations are progressing favorably. In the last few hours, the parties have had new positive contacts.
@MatteMoretto
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I hope this doesn’t mean Tielemans is badly injured.
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Presumably we wont want to buy him on a permanent deal, and Forest have a reported obligation to buy. So what's in it for Juventus in recalling him and sending him to us on loan?
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https://onefootball.com/fr/news/how-new-signing-alisha-lehmann-is-settling-into-leicester-city-42287087
Thought this bit of news was coincidental when it was announced recently.
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It will be. They've split up, I think.
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Yeah when Leics announced her signing, she was pictured in the article with her new fella, a footballer I'd never heard of.
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Nottingham Forest have made a £35m bid for Crystal Palace striker Jean-Philippe Mateta, but the Eagles want a £40m package and will only let the 28-year-old Frenchman leave if that price is met and they are able to bring in a replacement. Athletic.
I wound't fancy paying £40m for Mateta.
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I'd guess that Forest had a lot of success lumping it up to Chris Wood so they will pay more than anyone else for a similar kind of player.
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Apparently Forest’s loan deal contains a conditional obligation to buy clause.
Triggered by: 15 appearances of 45+ minutes in the Premier League.
Reports in January 2026 suggested the obligation was unlikely to be met due to limited playing time, with Chelsea showing interest in the midfielder.
8 Prem appearances for Forest thus far, 317' = 39.6 mins average per appearances.
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OK ta, but I think my question still stands. Are we any more likely to buy him permanently than Forest? And if not, why is it in Juventus' interest to move his loan destination?
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We are getting the muthaflippin' band back together. We're on a mission from McGrath.
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OK ta, but I think my question still stands. Are we any more likely to buy him permanently than Forest? And if not, why is it in Juventus' interest to move his loan destination?
If he's not getting minutes at Forest, then the buy obligation won't be triggered.
Juve want him out on loan playing regularly because that will:
a) maintain his transfer value
b) tkeep him in the shop window
c) get his wages (or a share) off the books
d) trigger a transfer fee - depending on loan conditions
That's not going to happen at present.
Guessing the Dougie doesn't fancy Forest given their crap season, he can't get minutes and wants out.
Juve are keen to place him elsewhere - either on loan or permanently. His value will have dropped given what's happened at Forest, weakening their negotiating hand.
What's possible:
a simple loan (with the aim of restoring his transfer value)
a loan with an obligation to buy - but at what price? His value has dropped .
a straight sale - but again at what price?
Guess it all depends on Juve's need/desperation to move him out and how much/little they'd be prepared to accept - either now (as part of a loan deal) or in the summer - and that's going to be very much affected by how well his next loan goes.
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I suppose one thing possible, and what could be a factor, is that they will still owe us money for the initial transfer.
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Maybe I'm alone in not being a fan of this.
If he's being considered as an option to rest Tielemans occasionally then fair enough, but he was a terrible stand in for Kamara. Admittedly he was exhausted at the tail end of that season, but still.
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Maybe I'm alone in not being a fan of this.
If he's being considered as an option to rest Tielemans occasionally then fair enough, but he was a terrible stand in for Kamara. Admittedly he was exhausted at the tail end of that season, but still.
I also would rather we go out and get a DM but maybe Emery is happy to put Lindelof there, especially with Mings back as cover for CB?
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Possibly, though I think now's as good a time as any to plough minutes into Bogarde should the need arise.
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Dougie coming back would be our most exciting midfield winter signing since the original Morgz, five years ago:
(https://i.ibb.co/PzDZ7NMW/Screenshot-20260127-005544-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PzDZ7NMW)
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Love Doug. Bring him back. He will fit right in. But let’s hope this has nothing to do with Youri and more that seamlessly he fits in the Kamara sized hole. We missed out on Gallagher so we clearly wanted an extra midfielder. With Bouba out for the season, SJM out for 6-8 weeks we are very light. And we know Onana could go down any minute, and Ross is made of glass.
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If Youri is out for a few weeks too, we are down to Bogarde and Onana. Barkley doesn’t count, guy can’t play football for more than 10 minutes without a knock. Onana is made of biscuits, so we simply have to sign someone. The logic of Doug is sound, knows the prem, knows Unai, knows the “way”. BUT… since leaving his fitness record is similar to Barkley and form similar to Drinkwater, so I fear the player we saw in decline in the last few weeks before he went will be the player coming back.
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If Forest buy Mateta, his first League game is likely to be against Palace.
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A forest fan I follow put a compilation of Mateta's fails this season. I suspect you could probably do it for most players, but it looked pretty bad. I've never been a fan anyway.
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A forest fan I follow put a compilation of Mateta's fails this season. I suspect you could probably do it for most players, but it looked pretty bad. I've never been a fan anyway.
Prey they are out of the Europa. You know he will score against us!
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Love Doug. Bring him back. He will fit right in. But let’s hope this has nothing to do with Youri and more that seamlessly he fits in the Kamara sized hole. We missed out on Gallagher so we clearly wanted an extra midfielder. With Bouba out for the season, SJM out for 6-8 weeks we are very light. And we know Onana could go down any minute, and Ross is made of glass.
So classy. If he comes back, let’s hope the best coach in the world can rebuild him.
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Quickly.
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I love the idea of him coming back and am largely ignoring his apparent decline in favour of nostalgia.
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Maybe I'm alone in not being a fan of this.
If he's being considered as an option to rest Tielemans occasionally then fair enough, but he was a terrible stand in for Kamara. Admittedly he was exhausted at the tail end of that season, but still.
We have onana and Bogarde now so hopefully he’s not needed there. My worry is this has come about following a knock to Tielemans, the player he is best suited to replace.
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If we can get him on loan (but with an option) then fair enough. He’d be an underwhelming signing if permanent
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Dougie! That would be a smart move.
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5 pens in there and all different. His delivery from set pieces was exceptional. I’d be happy to have him back.
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If we can get him on loan (but with an option) then fair enough. He’d be an underwhelming signing if permanent
Im in the same boat. I was a big fan when he was here but he’s not really played since he left, he’d be ok as cover to help us out.
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By my calculations, if Dougie returns it increases the chances of FV returning to this forum from his self-imposed exile (?) by 71.9%.
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He was a key player in the team that got us 4th. Teilemans is now the only player where we don’t have a replacement/understudy. It makes a lot of sense.
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It’s the Villa All-stars!
I could see the reasoning. We need a bit of reinforcement in the middle to keep the momentum going. Dougie and Bailey both know the club, know Unai, and are unlikely to upset the apple cart. Tammy too, to some extent.
If Emery thinks we have a shot at the league title, and he’d be perfectly justified in that, it makes sense not to upset anything by bringing a completely new player in who might potentially unnerve our existing players.
Maybe loan with a reasonably priced option to buy for Dougie? He’s not been great since he left us, but maybe he just needs a particular basque’s arm around his shoulder.
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It’s obviously a hypothetical thing as it’s highly unlikely to happen, but it’d be both funny & tragic if we were to win the league, and the one notable absence from the players that’s taken us there from the championship was the one who could’ve been the greatest of all. Imagine trading that for a few trinkets that all come with an asterisk anyway.
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Doug can take a penalty as well*, should we ever get one.
*Olympiacos accepted.
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If this does happen, I couldn't be more comfortable with it.
If what we're trying to do is bring in a player for the next three - four years who will replace Barkley and start to move McGinn to the bench as he gets older then he's obviously not that.
But if what we're trying to do is fill a pretty alarming gap that has suddenly opened up in an important area for the pitch for the next two to three months with someone who can play two or three roles well, knows the system, the expectations and his team mates, who can do either sixty minutes or thirty as the circumstances require then I can't really think of anyone who would be better suited. He's exactly what we need to get through the supposedly easier fixtures of February and March before the business end.
As well as the (already-mentioned) penalties, I also wouldn't mind seeing a few of his corners back, swinging in towards Onana and Abraham.
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As an aside, Barkley was on FB disputing a post on a Villa site that his contract is up in June.
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The only time I've really watched Dougie this season was in Forest's first Europa League match against Betis, and he absolutely ran the show in the first half, only to be subbed at half time by Ange. Not sure if that is to do with some clause around minutes, but I remember at the time thinking it was utterly bizarre - with the squad we have around him I still think he could do a great job.
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Maybe I'm alone in not being a fan of this.
If he's being considered as an option to rest Tielemans occasionally then fair enough, but he was a terrible stand in for Kamara. Admittedly he was exhausted at the tail end of that season, but still.
We have onana and Bogarde now so hopefully he’s not needed there. My worry is this has come about following a knock to Tielemans, the player he is best suited to replace.
Touch wood but I think this is clearly a response to the Kamara injury, FWIW. Emery seems to have a slightly weird view of the midfield as a wholly fungible thing, so I accept that Doug could be a replacement for either. But, I think, it's for Bouba.
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Luiz feels like the right move financially. boring I know. Malen out for Abraham changes our structure when needed and maintains the FFP tightrope balancing act. Bailey will probably be retained for the season. Unless we see Guessand leaving on a permanent deal I would imagine that will be that.
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Just missing Grealish from the old gang now....
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Luiz isn't boring. It's ball-tingling. 8)
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Boring in terms of it being a deal that is rooted in financial common sense.
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It's interesting how content most of us are at the prospect of so many members of the old guard returning.
That says good things about our recruitment in recent years.
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IF we end up qualifying for the CL, is our £££ situation actually going to improve? And we can buy a few players? Qualifying last time didn't seem to make a lot of difference, we still seem to be scratching about for loans and bargains.
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Doug can take a penalty as well*, should we ever get one.
*Olympiacos accepted.
I'll never accept that miss. It cost us a European final. Our first one since Jan '83:
(https://i.ibb.co/RkwbFjSN/Screenshot-20260126-113001-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RkwbFjSN)
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In talks to sign Dougie according to the yellow ticker on SSN.
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It's interesting how content most of us are at the prospect of so many members of the old guard returning.
That says good things about our recruitment in recent years.
Not particularly recent.
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Hmm. Not sure, but I suppose he is likely to be able to go straight in knowing how we play. Why has he been peripheral for two clubs in a row?
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Onana and Luiz with Tielemans as a 10 with Rogers and Buendia (Sancho, Bailey) is potentially good too.
Makes sense to me, and whilst he isn't as good as Tielemans, Emery knows him and trusts him. It gives us options with Kamara, McGinn and Barkley out.
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Someone posted on here a few days back some reasons behind Dougies move or lack of a permanent move.
It seemed to make sense at the time, but I can’t find that now.
Can anyone remember ?
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Swapping a soon out of contract Barkley for Luiz is a squad upgrade in my humble opinion.
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Knowing Emery's demands and system means much faster integration. I don't think a random January signing comes on and plays as much game time as Bailey did for example on the weekend.
Luiz knows the score and will likely get a boost from coming home.
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Hmm. Not sure, but I suppose he is likely to be able to go straight in knowing how we play. Why has he been peripheral for two clubs in a row?
Because he's never got over leaving the greatest club in the world?
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Swapping a soon out of contract Barkley for Luiz is a squad upgrade in my humble opinion.
By the sounds of things, he isn't out of contract soon (or this summer, anyway). The club never announced how long the deal was, some places have it as three years, some as two years with the club having an option of another year.
Barkley himself has said it's not expiring in the summer, and while footballers aren't always the brightest bulbs, I'd probably trust them to know whether they've got six months or eighteen months of wages left ahead of them.
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Hmm. Not sure, but I suppose he is likely to be able to go straight in knowing how we play. Why has he been peripheral for two clubs in a row?
Because he's never got over leaving the greatest club in the world?
Other than his time for us under Unai, has he really been that special, Unai made him a major key player. He was hardly getting a game under Gerrard, and Deano was trying to play him as a DM.
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IF we end up qualifying for the CL, is our £££ situation actually going to improve? And we can buy a few players? Qualifying last time didn't seem to make a lot of difference, we still seem to be scratching about for loans and bargains.
If we continue to improve our other revenue streams then, yes it will. We've seen plenty of new partnerships being launched this season, Xapo, Guiness and others, and a new shirt sponsor will be onboard next season. CL prize money gives us more leeway on wages. International exposure makes us a more attractive financial package for sponsorship, as well as growing our overseas fanbase. What we need is to make the top table more frequently alongside high finishes in the PL.
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Hmm. Not sure, but I suppose he is likely to be able to go straight in knowing how we play. Why has he been peripheral for two clubs in a row?
Because he's never got over leaving the greatest club in the world?
Other than his time for us under Unai, has he really been that special, Unai made him a major key player. He was hardly getting a game under Gerrard, and Deano was trying to play him as a DM.
Bit like Bailey I guess? Had a spell where he was very very good under Unai, but either side a bit average?
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The problem at Forest is similar to us with Elliott with added double manager sacking.
The problem at Juventus was he wasn't signed by the guy who ended up being his manager and said manager signed a new midfield of his own.
You'd hope he could still have fought his way in but if he's not given chances in games that's not easy.
On top of that he's always been up against, or replaced by, bigger, stronger and more dominant players.
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Pure nostalgia for me, i loved Dougie. He also loves us, bring him home for a bit of TLC before he goes back out into the big wide world!
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We really don't want to be signing any players nearing 30 on long contracts.
Yeah i agree. Thats what gerrad did and thats why we find ourselves in this mess
The mess that is the current French international Lucas Digne, and Bouba Kamara?
No the one where paid astronomical signing of coutinho that took us years to pay off ?
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Dougie back?
Yes please!!
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The problem at Forest is similar to us with Elliott with added double manager sacking.
The problem at Juventus was he wasn't signed by the guy who ended up being his manager and said manager signed a new midfield of his own.
Yup.
The Juventus issues was this:
They also bought Thuram and Koopmeiners in the summer, Thuram is better at the defensive bit than DL and Koopmeiners is better at the attacking bit. And they have Locatelli who does the bit-of-both stuff that DL used to do for us, so there's no really much of a role for him. All three of those are easily DL's equal in terms of how good they are.
Then they changed the manager, then he got injured.
At Forest, I can't think of any midfield that DL fits into worse than a Sean Dyche midfield.
DL back with us, doing the things he used to do for us will be just fine.
And having seen how green the grass is elsewhere, I'm pretty sure he's going to be absolutely busting a gut to show that he's the Brazilian international that we made him, not the bloke who watches from the bench as Ryan Yates chases around the place.
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Having slept on it, I still don't like it, but needs must.
He's going to need to buck up if it happens though. I watched the Forest FA Cup game where he started and man alive, he was absolutely horrendous. Got hooked at half time and basically called out by Dyche in the presser.
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Having slept on it, I still don't like it, but needs must.
He's going to need to buck up if it happens though. I watched the Forest FA Cup game where he started and man alive, he was absolutely horrendous. Got hooked at half time and basically called out by Dyche in the presser.
Dyche is a dinosaur and a moron, though.
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Doug can take a penalty as well*, should we ever get one.
*Olympiacos accepted.
I'll never accept that miss. It cost us a European final. Our first one since Jan '83:
(https://i.ibb.co/RkwbFjSN/Screenshot-20260126-113001-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RkwbFjSN)
Doug’s form over the two seasons helped us get that far in the first place.
If there’s any chance to do this deal I’d do it.
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Abraham & Luiz = this years Rashford and Ascencio.
Emery is a genius.
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Having slept on it, I still don't like it, but needs must.
He's going to need to buck up if it happens though. I watched the Forest FA Cup game where he started and man alive, he was absolutely horrendous. Got hooked at half time and basically called out by Dyche in the presser.
Dyche is a dinosaur and a moron, though.
Don't disagree, despise the man, but you have to go some way not to impress him.
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Under our current circumstances I would welcome Dougie back until end of this season. But needs to get in gym and work his nuts off. Few times I have seen him this season he seems to have lost a yard of pace and quickness of mind.
Unai would knock him back into shape.
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I have no issue with a technical patient passer looking lost under the most hoofball manager in the league. In a dyche team the job of the central midfield is to win a few headers, kick people and watch the ball fly over their heads.
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He plays so deep when is on the pitch for them as well.
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I imagine he might also like our new "it's fine to have a ping from 25 yards if space opens up" way of playing, which we obviously didn't do last time he was here.
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Romano just said it's on
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Hope we get the good version of Doug, not the exhausted version we had for the last half season he was with us, giving away fouls in dangerous areas. Great to see the old band get back together.
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Get him in for Brentford.
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Can't help feeling Luiz and Abraham signings are a sign Unai fancies his chances this season so trying to plug cracks with experience
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It will be. They've split up, I think.
If Tammy and Dougie can come back to Villa, there's no reason why the latter can't be reunited with Alisha. Maybe I'm just a hopeless romantic.
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Hope we get the good version of Doug, not the exhausted version we had for the last half season he was with us, giving away fouls in dangerous areas. Great to see the old band get back together.
He can't be exhausted he's hardly played
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Having Bailey, Dougie and Tammy as options, with Sancho actually improving too, a fit again Mings and the really impressive Lindeloff and Bizot, maybe Barkley again one day and finally we have some depth that looked absolutely beyond that striken bench against Everton.
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It will be. They've split up, I think.
Without wanting to all "eastie", if they have then it's bit weird that their respective football careers are still following each other around the world.
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Swapping a soon out of contract Barkley for Luiz is a squad upgrade in my humble opinion.
I agree. He covers two positions excellently and a third to some extent, maybe home games. It was a coin toss between Luiz and Tielemans last time so hopefully he’s can get back to that sort of form.
The assumption is he hasn’t done great at Forest yet a couple of people on here have said he passed the eye test and that their fans like him. Anyone got any intel on this?
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Swapping a soon out of contract Barkley for Luiz is a squad upgrade in my humble opinion.
I agree. He covers two positions excellently and a third to some extent, maybe home games. It was a coin toss between Luiz and Tielemans last time so hopefully he’s can get back to that sort of form.
The assumption is he hasn’t done great at Forest yet a couple of people on here have said he passed the eye test and that their fans like him. Anyone got any intel on this?
Apparently has a similar issue to Harvey if comments to be believed.
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The assumption is he hasn’t done great at Forest yet a couple of people on here have said he passed the eye test and that their fans like him. Anyone got any intel on this?
A quick browse of their forum suggests it's a mixture between "it's not like he's done anything for us to give a toss about losing him" and "he's clearly good, but he's never going to work in a Dyche team".
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Not sure about this, but can live with it so long as there are no stupid Elliott-style clauses meaning we don't actually pick him.
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We didn't want him to leave in the first place. And now he's coming back to prove himself again, and we made a load of money on him in the meantime.
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To be fair to Dyche, I watched a bit of Luiz v Braga recently and he didn't really try a leg. Looked half a yard short. In saying all that, Forest weren't even attempting to play and Luiz has never been that all action box to box midfielder that Dyche wants. Luiz kept coming short for passes from the full backs but they kept going long to nobody. Seemed really pissed off after a while.
Post Villa he looks as if he has a small bit of timber on him, related to constantly picking up injuries no doubt, but that doesn't help to shake them off either.
Would take him back in the morning though. He's a proven elite performer under Emery. Instantly improves our squad.
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Dougie would be welcomed back by me
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Before the Forest game I noticed one of their subs coming out of the tunnel high fiving kids, took me a second to realise who it was but it then continued up the touchline as he walked to the dugouts, with the crowd getting to to applaud him.
You could feel the love in both directions, I'm not a sentimental man but right at that point I had a bit of a tear in my eye and was thinking 'bring him home'.
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Also a big Emi jumped on his back and gave him a cuddle like a big brother would. Bring him home
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Dougie would be welcomed back by me
With the Tielemans injury news it goes from nice option to have to a get him in now.
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Need at least one midfielder in..
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The assumption is he hasn’t done great at Forest yet a couple of people on here have said he passed the eye test and that their fans like him. Anyone got any intel on this?
A quick browse of their forum suggests it's a mixture between "it's not like he's done anything for us to give a toss about losing him" and "he's clearly good, but he's never going to work in a Dyche team".
He's been injured a fair bit for Forest and when he does get to play he's often the first to be subbed due a neck strain from watching the ball countlessly sail over his head. Playing him as a deep lying defensive midfielder hasn't played to his potential. They don't even let him take corners.
My only concern is his ex has just moved to Leicester, far too close to home given what happened the last time at Villa.
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Maybe we need to bring in Dougie AND Loftus Cheek now ?
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Might aswell get Ramsey back too. What's Snodgrass at these days?
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I was pretty happy with this, but with the Tielemans news it needs to happen.
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Might aswell get Ramsey back too. What's Snodgrass at these days?
Has his own weekly internet radio show, where he talks football and real ale. Snodcast.
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I've just seen Carlos 'The Rock' Sanchez at One Stop, Perry Barr. Coincidence?
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Might aswell get Ramsey back too. What's Snodgrass at these days?
Has his own weekly internet radio show, where he talks football and real ale. Snodcast.
This makes me happy. More footballers should use their retirement this productively. It’s too perfect.
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Is it any good?
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What's the situation with the Luiz transfer? I thought there were complications? I hadn't really been paying attention but it's got quite pertinent.
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Might aswell get Ramsey back too. What's Snodgrass at these days?
Has his own weekly internet radio show, where he talks football and real ale. Snodcast.
This makes me happy. More footballers should use their retirement this productively. It’s too perfect.
He’s seemingly an agent nowadays. I just wanted to make the Snodcast pun.
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/robert-snodgrass-787a3a316
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Might aswell get Ramsey back too. What's Snodgrass at these days?
Has his own weekly internet radio show, where he talks football and real ale. Snodcast.
This makes me happy. More footballers should use their retirement this productively. It’s too perfect.
He’s seemingly an agent nowadays. I just wanted to make the Snodcast pun.
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/robert-snodgrass-787a3a316
Booo! An agent is the opposite end of the spectrum.
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Get him back, we’ve got hardly anyone left.
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Abraham, Bailey and Luiz. This is now seems like all our yesterdays.
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What's the situation with the Luiz transfer? I thought there were complications? I hadn't really been paying attention but it's got quite pertinent.
Can't see that there'd be any complications as such. Forest want him out and Juve don't seem overly keen on wanting him to return mid season.
Only issue may be the obligation clauses in the Forest deal. Here's hoping Juve don't play dirty with us knowing we're desperate.
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JJ is completely wasted at Newcastle, get him back til May, swap with Elliott and chuck Liverpool a few quid for accommodating it.
The lads that got us this far since Emery came in deserve to be standing on that makeshift pitch podium when Meatball holds aloft the Premier League trophy in May. Dougie, Leon and Jacob be honest, you know where you really want to be.
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In the circumstances we find ourselves this is an absolutely no brainer for me, knows the club, manager and roughly the system and on top of that you never lose your ability!
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The big carrot for the likes of Leon, Dougie and at a stretch Tammy is the World Cup - they won't get another chance
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JJ is completely wasted at Newcastle, get him back til May, swap with Elliott and chuck Liverpool a few quid for accommodating it.
Elliott isn't allowed to play for Newcastle. So they're unlikely to want him.
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JJ seems to be regressing, looked at best ordinary this season and last seasons contribution was one league goal
Time to move on.
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JJ is completely wasted at Newcastle, get him back til May, swap with Elliott and chuck Liverpool a few quid for accommodating it.
Elliott isn't allowed to play for Newcastle. So they're unlikely to want him.
Guessand is a big clumsy lump, he'd fit right in at Newcastle
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JJ is completely wasted at Newcastle, get him back til May, swap with Elliott and chuck Liverpool a few quid for accommodating it.
Elliott isn't allowed to play for Newcastle. So they're unlikely to want him.
He could wear a disguise.
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JJ seems to be regressing, looked at best ordinary this season and last seasons contribution was one league goal
Time to move on.
JJ is completely wasted at Newcastle, get him back til May, swap with Elliott and chuck Liverpool a few quid for accommodating it.
The lads that got us this far since Emery came in deserve to be standing on that makeshift pitch podium when Meatball holds aloft the Premier League trophy in May. Dougie, Leon and Jacob be honest, you know where you really want to be.
The last thing we need is another injury prone midfielder right now.
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Rules out Dougie then
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Elliot Anderson.
Adam Wharton.
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What's the situation with the Luiz transfer? I thought there were complications? I hadn't really been paying attention but it's got quite pertinent.
Can't see that there'd be any complications as such. Forest want him out and Juve don't seem overly keen on wanting him to return mid season.
Only issue may be the obligation clauses in the Forest deal. Here's hoping Juve don't play dirty with us knowing we're desperate.
There's no obligation clauses in the Forest deal other than £135k a week.
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Good to see Julien Laurens on Sky Sports thinks Luiz signing makes sense so he can come in and play with Tielemans in our midfield.
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Good to see Julien Laurens on Sky Sports thinks Luiz signing makes sense so he can come in and play with Tielemans in our midfield.
On the pulse with all things Villa……as usual
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Good to see Julien Laurens on Sky Sports thinks Luiz signing makes sense so he can come in and play with Tielemans in our midfield.
To be fair, he's probably not obsessing about Tielemans' injury prognosis as much as we are.
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Good to see Julien Laurens on Sky Sports thinks Luiz signing makes sense so he can come in and play with Tielemans in our midfield.
To be fair, he's probably not obsessing about Tielemans' injury prognosis as much as we are.
It was a discussion this morning about Villa injuries and why we would be after Luiz. Had it been yesterday you could understand. I find most of what he says about us, mainly on ESPN less than complimentary.
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His gimmick is that he's a PSG fan and so doesn't like Emery for mysterious spoiled bratty reasons, to which Marcotti says that Emery is a genius and purveyor of dark magic. All part of the show.
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Good to see Julien Laurens on Sky Sports thinks Luiz signing makes sense so he can come in and play with Tielemans in our midfield.
To be fair, he's probably not obsessing about Tielemans' injury prognosis as much as we are.
It was a discussion this morning about Villa injuries and why we would be after Luiz. Had it been yesterday you could understand. I find most of what he says about us, mainly on ESPN less than complimentary.
While the injury news is obviously true, the story first broke about ninety minutes ago and still hasn't been confirmed by the club. Bigger outlets started reporting it about an hour ago.
He's sitting in a studio on television, not reading Villa Twitter.
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Yeah, when it comes to the Tielemans injury, Julien Laurens not being across it is a long way down my list of concerns.
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I love this tactic. Sell our players for large sums to clubs where they won’t succeed. Then buy them back later for peanuts. Maybe we let Rogers have a go at Real Madrid for a year. Could generate a stonking profit.
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What's the situation with the Luiz transfer? I thought there were complications? I hadn't really been paying attention but it's got quite pertinent.
Can't see that there'd be any complications as such. Forest want him out and Juve don't seem overly keen on wanting him to return mid season.
Only issue may be the obligation clauses in the Forest deal. Here's hoping Juve don't play dirty with us knowing we're desperate.
There's no obligation clauses in the Forest deal other than £135k a week.
Beeb report says that there are OtB clauses, but that they haven't been reached
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cql4pyq3462o
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I am looking forward / curious to see Doug and Onana together
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Telegraph reporting Luiz deal is done (loan).
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Any clauses?
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Could we offload Bailey or Guessand to try and bring another CDM in?
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Leon has only just come back poor fella 😳😃
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I'd be keeping Leon, we are gagging for a bit of pace on the break. In any case, he can't play for any other team until summer now, same as Elliott. Unless he goes to a Summer League like MLS.
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And he’s played for two clubs now.
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I adored Dougie, and also recall an interview with a couple of our players (Cash and Grealish?) where they were clearly in awe of his technical ability.
I really hope this doesn't break my heart. Even 70% of what he was would be a huge help to us over the next few weeks.
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Keep Bailey.
Mebbe swap Guessand for a few tracksuits and a can of WD40.
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Aston Villa beat Chelsea to signing of Douglas Luiz
Exclusive: Brazil international returns to Unai Emery’s side as Nottingham Forest loan is cancelled
Chief Football Correspondent
Jason Burt
27 January 2026 1:01pm GMT
Aston Villa have beaten Chelsea to sign midfielder Douglas Luiz.
The Brazil international made it clear that he wanted to return to Villa, with his loan agreement with Nottingham Forest cancelled and another loan move finalised on Tuesday morning.
The 27-year-old made more than 200 appearances for Villa between 2019 and 2024, and has turned down the chance to sign for clubs in La Liga to go back to Villa Park.
Luiz has been on loan at Forest from Serie A side Juventus and missed part of the season through a hamstring injury.
He joined Juventus from Villa for €50m (£42.3m) in 2024.
Villa have moved for Luiz, who is delighted to return to the club, after an injury to Boubacar Kamara – who is set to miss the rest of the season – and with Youri Tielemans ruled out for an expected eight weeks with an ankle knock sustained in the win over Newcastle United. Unai Emery’s side are also without captain John McGinn for several weeks, also through injury.
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I think Bailey showed more in 20 odds mins in Newcastle than Guessand has been able to all season.
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I'd be keeping Leon, we are gagging for a bit of pace on the break. In any case, he can't play for any other team until summer now, same as Elliott. Unless he goes to a Summer League like MLS.
Yep Leon has to stay for a variety of reasons.
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Doug only 27 , in his prime
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Might aswell get Ramsey back too. What's Snodgrass at these days?
Has his own weekly internet radio show, where he talks football and real ale. Snodcast.
This makes me happy. More footballers should use their retirement this productively. It’s too perfect.
He’s seemingly an agent nowadays. I just wanted to make the Snodcast pun.
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/robert-snodgrass-787a3a316
As well you might, as well you might. I liked it.
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Onana, Luiz, Bogarde, Buendia, Barkley as a midfield group isn’t too bad for the next 6 or so weeks.
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Could we offload Bailey or Guessand to try and bring another CDM in?
Keep Bailey, I've a feeling he might do alright for us down the stretch.
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Doug only 27 , in his prime
I had to check his age, and must admit I had no idea he was still so young. Plenty of years left in him.
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Could we offload Bailey or Guessand to try and bring another CDM in?
Keep Bailey, I've a feeling he might do alright for us down the stretch.
We've no choice but to keep him now, having played him on Sunday he cannot play for another club this season.
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Really hope we're not getting absolutely fucked on the terms here
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I think Bailey showed more in 20 odds mins in Newcastle than Guessand has been able to all season.
Guessand has 2 goals for us and i think an assist?
Look how bang average Tielemans and Bailey were when they first started - my only concern would be the £30m but Professor Emery knows a player when he sees one
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Onana, Luiz, Bogarde, Buendia, Barkley as a midfield group isn’t too bad for the next 6 or so weeks.
I hope we've negotiated something to add Elliott to that list
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Really hope we're not getting absolutely fucked on the terms here
We won't be.
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Apparently Nas gets on well with the Juve owners.
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Time to reopen the Douglas Luiz thread? Likely Bailey and himself start v Brentford with Tammy off the bench. Would have got some odds on that scenario a few weeks back! All very good players at their best and a point to prove.
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Time to reopen the Douglas Luiz thread?
It's never not been open.
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Seeing as we're getting the old band back together, Tom Carroll anyone?
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You never want injuries to your main midfielders, but if you do get them, then you want them before the transfer window closes so you've got time to react and get decent replacements in.
So although the injuries to SJM, Bouba and Youri aren't ideal, it could have been a whole lot worse..
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I find it interesting that both Tammy and Dougie have both said their hearts are at Aston Villa and that they have both turned down other offers/more money to ‘come home’.
It’s a bit romantic to think that’s the only consideration, but it’s great to hear these things before hand and not during the obligatory ‘how happy are you……..’ signing interview.
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Welcome back Dougie!
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Kaveh with the tap-in on Sky
Aston Villa verbally agree to sign Luiz from Juventus
Latest from Sky Sports News' Kaveh Solhekol:
Aston Villa have verbally agreed a deal to re-sign Douglas Luiz on loan from Juventus.
Once the paperwork is completed, he will join Villa on loan with an option to buy in the summer.
The midfielder had his heart set on returning to Villa despite interest from Chelsea.
Sky Sports News has been told he feels his heart is still at Villa and this was the move he really wanted.
Villa wanted to sign a midfielder because of injuries to Boubacar Kamara, John McGinn and Youri Tielemans.
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Diaby next?
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Diaby next?
Fuck yeah.
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What's McCormack up to? Apart from eating.
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You never want injuries to your main midfielders, but if you do get them, then you want them before the transfer window closes so you've got time to react and get decent replacements in.
So although the injuries to SJM, Bouba and Youri aren't ideal, it could have been a whole lot worse..
Will be good to see Douglas Luiz back and hopefully he can recapture the form he was in before he left. I do see him as a Tielemans and Barkley type option (wonder if we might have seen the last of the latter tbh) rather than Kamara though.
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You never want injuries to your main midfielders, but if you do get them, then you want them before the transfer window closes so you've got time to react and get decent replacements in.
So although the injuries to SJM, Bouba and Youri aren't ideal, it could have been a whole lot worse..
And once those injured players are back, suddenly you really do have strength in depth.
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What's McCormack up to? Apart from eating.
painting his gates I hope
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I find it interesting that both Tammy and Dougie have both said their hearts are at Aston Villa and that they have both turned down other offers/more money to ‘come home’.
It’s a bit romantic to think that’s the only consideration, but it’s great to hear these things before hand and not during the obligatory ‘how happy are you……..’ signing interview.
This is it yeah. Tammy taking a significant wage cut to come back also, does warm the cockles of my stony heart somewhat.
Desperate to hear the Luiz terms though. He's on something like 130k at Juve and can't imagine we have the funds to cover all of it.
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You never want injuries to your main midfielders, but if you do get them, then you want them before the transfer window closes so you've got time to react and get decent replacements in.
So although the injuries to SJM, Bouba and Youri aren't ideal, it could have been a whole lot worse..
Will be good to see Douglas Luiz back and hopefully he can recapture the form he was in before he left. I do see him as a Tielemans and Barkley type option (wonder if we might have seen the last of the latter tbh) rather than Kamara though.
Yeah, along as it's Onana/Bogarde with Luiz then this should be good. I don't really want Tielemans/Barkley and Luiz. I wouldn't fancy our chances defensively. With Tielemans now out though it completely makes sense.
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Seeing as we're getting the old band back together, Tom Carroll anyone?
Trez is only 31 and AEG is a year younger than that.
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I do see him as a Tielemans and Barkley type option (wonder if we might have seen the last of the latter tbh)
He's back in training, I'd guess we're about to see more of him than we have since the start of his loan spell.
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What's McCormack up to? Apart from eating.
painting his gates I hope
..shouldn't take long, they were only 4ft 6 inches high according to Steve Bruce....that story just about summed up how far we had fallen...
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I find it interesting that both Tammy and Dougie have both said their hearts are at Aston Villa and that they have both turned down other offers/more money to ‘come home’.
It’s a bit romantic to think that’s the only consideration, but it’s great to hear these things before hand and not during the obligatory ‘how happy are you……..’ signing interview.
Absolutely - two players who previously enjoyed the happiest times in their career so far at Villa, coming back at a point when we could do something very special. With the news on Kamara, McGinn and Tielemans it would have been very easy to slip into a bit of despondency, but these two coming through the door will really help on that alone. The fact they are both international level players who should really be at their peak and have a lot to prove is icing on the cake.
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Diaby next?
Fuck yeah.
On a free, maybe.
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Seeing as we're getting the old band back together, Tom Carroll anyone?
Trez is only 31 and AEG is a year younger than that.
How is AEG on 30!?
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Is it time to resurrect the Doug thread yet?
https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/2016137514700939477?s=20
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We really should've signed Alisha too, what a reunion that would be.
I'm really happy Dougie is back and would've still been despite the casualties of the past couple weeks.
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They've split up. Though she is only in Leicester, should they wish to get together for the third time.
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Apparently Nas gets on well with the Juve owners.
I wonder if we could have Yildiz if he asked nicely?!
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loan with an option to buy is a very good deal for us and him. I imagine there is a sense of regret that he left. He did have a contract offer he didn't sign. That said he gave us an out when we needed PSR relief. I think we will see a very motivated Doug now to prove the Juventus and Forest experiences are not who he proved himself to be with us.
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They've split up. Though she is only in Leicester, should they wish to get together for the third time.
I can't remember a worse time but you know that we've changed so much since then
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They've split up. Though she is only in Leicester, should they wish to get together for the third time.
I can't remember a worse time but you know that we've changed so much since then
You both have to want to !!
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Might as well get JJ back if finances allow. Either now or in summer.
Do the Jaudi fans think he’s shite?
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Diaby next?
Fuck yeah.
Hell yeah! Lets get the band back together
As for luiz you all probably remember i was deeply unhappy when we sold luiz and diaby. Im thrilled he is coming home!
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As for luiz you all probably remember i was deeply unhappy when we sold luiz and diaby
Personally, I've thought of little else since.
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Diaby next?
Fuck yeah.
Hell yeah! Lets get the band back together
As for luiz you all probably remember i was deeply unhappy when we sold luiz and diaby. Im thrilled he is coming home!
Well you being unhappy really stands out so you'd think so wouldn't you?
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Might as well get JJ back if finances allow. Either now or in summer.
Do the Jaudi fans think he’s shite?
Mixed opinions on his thread on their forum. He still hasn't had a run of starts so any judgement is premature.
But yeah, i like this strategy, sell all these players, like Luiz and JJ, the latter at pure profit and buy them back cheaper and their cost spread over 4 to 5 years.
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We definitely need to sign another central midfielder under the assumption that Onana will almost certainly get injured again at some point between now and May.
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We definitely need to sign another central midfielder under the assumption that Onana will almost certainly get injured again at some point between now and May.
Very optimistic.. I’d say between now and the end of January!!
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Luiz and Abraham are over ready - good, clever signings
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Might as well get JJ back if finances allow. Either now or in summer.
Do the Jaudi fans think he’s shite?
Yes they do.
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lets sign him back - swap deal for Guessand
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I’m hoping Palace sell Mateta to Forest so they then replace him with Guessand. Will cap off a very nice window.
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I’m hoping Palace sell Mateta to Forest so they then replace him with Guessand. Will cap off a very nice window.
Anyone free to drop Guessand off down in Croydon?
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Might as well get JJ back if finances allow. Either now or in summer.
Do the Jaudi fans think he’s shite?
Mixed opinions on his thread on their forum. He still hasn't had a run of starts so any judgement is premature.
But yeah, i like this strategy, sell all these players, like Luiz and JJ, the latter at pure profit and buy them back cheaper and their cost spread over 4 to 5 years.
You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.
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As for luiz you all probably remember i was deeply unhappy when we sold luiz and diaby
Personally, I've thought of little else since.
*Chortle*
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Looks like the club will make an announcement shortly.
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Tammys in
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Right, who is next?
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Should appoint Dean Smith as technical director, he knows a good player when he sees one.
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Get AEG in for penalty taking duty
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Get AEG in for penalty taking duty
Sadly that won't be necessary as we never get one.
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Get AEG in for penalty taking duty
Sadly that won't be necessary as we never get one.
Fair point. And Tammy is pretty mean at them. So no AEG. As you were.
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I get these Aston Villa group pages appear on my Facebook page which I do not follow, I guess the algorithm throws them in. I presume they would be run by a Villa fan? They always have some ridiculous headline, normally saying we’re selling so and so or something else which is generally negative with a link which I never click on, but it normally has someone commenting so you get the jist what the story is about and it’s always complete bollocks.
It’s weird and really annoying.
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If Douglas signs, are we done?
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If Douglas signs, are we done?
I'd imagine so - unless someone leaves who could generate some dollar
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We were going for Gallagher at a reported £35m so you'd imagine there's a bit left in the pot
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As a loan with obligation to buy though so using the summer's pot.
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Yep, good point. That and our Europa Squad can't have more than 3 additions to it, so we'd be at risk of pissing people off again.
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I like that we're bringing in two players who are ready to play, know our game and can make an immediate contribution. I also like that we've also brought in two younger players (Alysson and Brian) who will hopefully go on to do great things with us in the next 2-3 years.
We just need to resolve the Elliott fiasco and react if a Guessand-moment arises (i.e. Croydon-bound).
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We were going for Gallagher at a reported £35m so you'd imagine there's a bit left in the pot
There's nothing left.
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(https://i.ibb.co/RGvMG9t4/IMG-5740.gif) (https://ibb.co/RGvMG9t4)
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We were going for Gallagher at a reported £35m so you'd imagine there's a bit left in the pot
There's nothing left.
Assuming a 5 year deal that is a £7mil annual expenditure , so now with 3 new salaries on the payroll + commissions etc
, it’s hard to see how there is much room in the budget without an outgoing.
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Who else could we sell and never weep about it ?
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Smirker? ;)
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Well after feeling a bit down after the recent spate of injuries, adding 3 of our ex players is a masterstroke and will certainly lift spirits
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Who else could we sell and never weep about it ?
Guessand would be tears of joy.
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We're bloody stuck with him aren't we?
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he will be fine , give him time , i hope he doesn’t come on here
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We're bloody stuck with him aren't we?
Yeah, but if you avoid the Ollie thread, he's not so bad.
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We're bloody stuck with him aren't we?
He has not moaned, even though clearly being asked to play in not a natural position. The premier league is not just fast paced ball movement but if you are a forward facing player the defenders nowadays are physical, fast paced specimens that can outrun and out fight most new players whilst giving out a few digs when needed.
Even some of the best foreign talent have taken a while to adapt - we should be a little more patient and see what happens after a full pre season
SUE clearly sees something
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We're bloody stuck with him aren't we?
He has not moaned, even though clearly being asked to play in not a natural position. The premier league is not just fast paced ball movement but if you are a forward facing player the defenders nowadays are physical, fast paced specimens that can outrun and out fight most new players whilst giving out a few digs when needed.
Even some of the best foreign talent have taken a while to adapt - we should be a little more patient and see what happens after a full pre season
SUE clearly sees something
Agree. I dont see what the problem is. It's not as if he's cost us any games and besides, we need numbers at the moment.
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Hopefully Bailey being back might take a bit of the pressure of him.
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Hopefully Bailey being back might take a bit of the pressure of him.
What pressure??? Any pressure is becaise he is shit.
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Hopefully Bailey being back might take a bit of the pressure of him.
What pressure??? Any pressure is becaise he is shit.
The pressure of being an expensive new signing, expected to perform immediately due to a lack of other options in his position.
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Hopefully Bailey being back might take a bit of the pressure of him.
Bit worrying for Guessand that with McGinn out the likes of Sancho and now Bailey are likely further up the pecking order than him. Bailey brought the same workrate that Guessand does but even not being at his best is still more comfortable on the ball. Bailey might start v Brentford
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Fine by me. Guessand can have Salzburg.
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We're bloody stuck with him aren't we?
He has not moaned, even though clearly being asked to play in not a natural position. The premier league is not just fast paced ball movement but if you are a forward facing player the defenders nowadays are physical, fast paced specimens that can outrun and out fight most new players whilst giving out a few digs when needed.
Even some of the best foreign talent have taken a while to adapt - we should be a little more patient and see what happens after a full pre season
SUE clearly sees something
Agree. I dont see what the problem is. It's not as if he's cost us any games and besides, we need numbers at the moment.
Correct but seems as though we spunked our entire summer budget on him I think the expectation was to see a bit more from him. It’s not his fault he cost so much but, imo, he’s been underwhelming.
Fingers crossed he’ll come good in the future.
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Hopefully Bailey being back might take a bit of the pressure of him.
What pressure??? Any pressure is becaise he is shit.
The pressure of being an expensive new signing, expected to perform immediately due to a lack of other options in his position.
Oh c’mon. Players move all the time and settle in and show what they can do. It’s not pressure to why he is under-performing, it’s just he is not good enough.
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Part of his problem is the expectations on him due to our PSR position.
Have a look at a list of summer signings of similar value. A fair proportion completely sail under the radar because £30m isn’t a massive amount of money nowadays.
Leoni to Liverpool anyone? Aldli to Bournemouth? Veiga to Chelsea?
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Part of his problem is the expectations on him due to our PSR position.
Have a look at a list of summer signings of similar value. A fair proportion completely sail under the radar because £30m isn’t a massive amount of money nowadays.
Leoni to Liverpool anyone? Aldli to Bournemouth? Veiga to Chelsea?
Agreed. He was our most expensive signing but, in the grand scheme of things, he cost buttons.
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10% of our income, is not buttons.
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10% of our income, is not buttons.
In terms of how much top players cost these days, it was buttons. How much Gyokeres?
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Any clauses?
It is like our Christmases have come at once.
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Moussa Diaby to Inter according to Fabrizio…..
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As a loan with obligation to buy though so using the summer's pot.
Summers pots not been spent as we sold Malen which will
Fund tammy and dougie
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Moussa Diaby to Inter according to Fabrizio…..
Looking forward to him joining us in 2027..
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Moussa Diaby to Inter according to Fabrizio…..
Good for him, got his money and is now coming back to proper football. Can't blame him for that.
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Moussa Diaby to Inter according to Fabrizio…..
I hope he doesn't tap up Dibu.
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Raheem Sterling now a free agent. I would not be surprised.
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please no
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I'm sure most people would joing me in assuming he's finished. But our manager isn't most people.
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I think in every Emery squad there's a spot for a "well, if you could harness it right then there might just be something there that could work for a season and there's a 15% chance it could be brilliant" player.
But we already have Sancho for that role.
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We wont get rid of Guessand unless it is silly money as, under PSR we will crystallise a loss in the books as he is only 6 months in to his contract. Any sales we do need to be for players who are either super high wages and/or fully amortised. I'd say Martinez hits the first criteria.
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Raheem Sterling now a free agent. I would not be surprised.
He was on really silly money
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10% of our income, is not buttons.
But that's not how his transfer is after amortisation, 30 million is 6 million a season for 5 seasons so not 10% of our income because its spread over 5 seasons.
Similarly with malen we get 25 million now, Tammy costs around 4.6 a season for 4.5 seasons and if we sing Dougie permanently on a 5 year deal he will be 5 million a season approx. Wages to turnover ratio is the bottle neck now not spend.
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Diaby next?
Fuck yeah.
Hell yeah! Lets get the band back together
As for luiz you all probably remember i was deeply unhappy when we sold luiz and diaby. Im thrilled he is coming home!
Well you being unhappy really stands out so you'd think so wouldn't you?
Examples ?
Picking a fight for no reason? You continue to be negative ill be happy thanks.
Thrilled he is back
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10% of our income, is not buttons.
But that's not how his transfer is after amortisation, 30 million is 6 million a season for 5 seasons so not 10% of our income because its spread over 5 seasons.
Similarly with malen we get 25 million now, Tammy costs around 4.6 a season for 4.5 seasons and if we sing Dougie permanently on a 5 year deal he will be 5 million a season approx. Wages to turnover ratio is the bottle neck now not spend.
We don't as it is currently a loan with the 25 coming in the Summer.
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Raheem Sterling now a free agent. I would not be surprised.
He was on really silly money
He was, and good for him, but he won't be getting anything like the same again unless he goes to Saudi.
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Wonder if another loan move, for Neves from Saudi, might be worth considering?
Maybe not as he's similar in style to Duggie.
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Raheem Sterling now a free agent. I would not be surprised.
He was on really silly money
He was, and good for him, but he won't be getting anything like the same again unless he goes to Saudi.
Oh I dont begrudge him , just dont want him
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Nor me, but I can see it.
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10% of our income, is not buttons.
But that's not how his transfer is after amortisation, 30 million is 6 million a season for 5 seasons so not 10% of our income because its spread over 5 seasons.
Similarly with malen we get 25 million now, Tammy costs around 4.6 a season for 4.5 seasons and if we sing Dougie permanently on a 5 year deal he will be 5 million a season approx. Wages to turnover ratio is the bottle neck now not spend.
We don't as it is currently a loan with the 25 coming in the Summer.
And under SCR rules transfer income is spread over three years, not ‘now’. It’s PSR where you get it ‘now’ and we’re fine under PSR.
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Raheem Sterling now a free agent. I would not be surprised.
He was on really silly money
He was, and good for him, but he won't be getting anything like the same again unless he goes to Saudi.
I'm assuming he has already agreed an eye-watering deal with some team or other or else why would he have agreed to terminate his contract?
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No thanks to sterling. Huge wages and very little if any return
I reckon he ends up in saudi
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£25m in the back pocket and he can stop hanging out with the twats at Cobham?
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Just read he cost £40 million and had £325 a week over 5 years , eyewatering
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Couldn't he have just agreed a settlement as part of the termination and now he is free to look around? I thought that's what happened in these situations. Don't know, though.
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Just read he cost £40 million and had £325 a week over 5 years , eyewatering
This is the thing that pisses me off with FFP. If we did this deal we woold financially fucked for years. Yet chelsea can do it and its like nothing ever happened
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Couldn't he have just agreed a settlement as part of the termination and now he is free to look around? I thought that's what happened in these situations. Don't know, though.
That's exactly what (looks to have) happened.
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If we’re embracing the full ‘get the band back together’ vibe, how about a cheekie bid for Bert.
Take him over Guessand any day of the week.
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Yes to Bert.
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Unprofessional, unsustainable use of drop shadow. 2/10. See me.
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Bloody awful. Like Comic Sans.
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Yes to Bert.
Would love Bertie T back
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nah, while mercurial, too inconsistent, too injured.
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Before anybody criticises Villa’s signing history.
13.07.22 Raheem Sterling joins Chelsea from Man City - £47.5m fee.
5 yr contract £325k per week
25.02.24 - runners up medal EFL Cup
28.02.2026 Contract cancelled by mutual consent.
81 appearances, 19 goals
Total cost £106.65m, plus his payoff.
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Presumably that's it for us now?
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Presumably that's it for us now?
Yeah i think so. Would be suprised if anyone else comes in. Only if elliot leaves can i see anyone else come in. I would have loved a right back as garcia is as reliable as toaster with no electricity
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Hmmm… no Kamara replacement. The one position we really need.
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The problem is we can’t get in more than 3 if they are to be added to the Europa squad. Or we wil have a Malen situation. We can get by with what we have without a direct replacement for Kamara and especially when the injured players return.
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Won’t Dougie replace Kamara in the Euro list, or is in ineligible for some reason ?
Obviously we need to leave Mcginn and Youri on the list for the final.
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Won’t Dougie replace Kamara in the Euro list, or is in ineligible for some reason ?
Probably. So we can then change two more from the current squad, presumably Abraham and Bailey.
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Hmmm… no Kamara replacement. The one position we really need.
Bogarde is the Kamara replacement. Luiz is the Tielemans replacement.
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Hmmm… no Kamara replacement. The one position we really need.
Bogarde is the Kamara replacement. Luiz is the Tielemans replacement.
Correct.
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Just read he cost £40 million and had £325 a week over 5 years , eyewatering
This is the thing that pisses me off with FFP. If we did this deal we woold financially fucked for years. Yet chelsea can do it and its like nothing ever happened
And they haven't even got a sponsor on their shirt.
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Surprised we haven’t brought Jack back 😁
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It will be interesting to see if we do in the summer. All set for a redemption story.
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It will be interesting to see if we do in the summer. All set for a redemption story.
Not a chance.
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Hmmm… no Kamara replacement. The one position we really need.
Bogarde is the Kamara replacement. Luiz is the Tielemans replacement.
Correct.
and Barkley is the Onana replacement, and Onana is the Barkley replacement.
I think another midfielder would be a good idea - I think with Onana and Barkley being injury prone, and Thursday-Sunday games most weeks, it might make sense to get Loftus-Cheek in on loan.
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Hmmm… no Kamara replacement. The one position we really need.
Bogarde is the Kamara replacement. Luiz is the Tielemans replacement.
Correct.
and Barkley is the Onana replacement, and Onana is the Barkley replacement.
I think another midfielder would be a good idea - I think with Onana and Barkley being injury prone, and Thursday-Sunday games most weeks, it might make sense to get Loftus-Cheek in on loan.
What we really need, is an 8-week run of fitness from Onana. Luiz and Barkley - before McGinn/Youri start to reappear. That's not THAT long, given we'll likely only see 2 of the 3 in any given starting 11.
We can also rest them from time to time with the likes of Bogarde/Hemmings available (plus Lindelof could play DM at a push). So I think another midfielder in this window would likely be overkill, and probably mean not seeing that extra midfielder again from March onwards (if injuries/recoveries go to plan) - so who would actually sign for us in those circumstances, while also being good enough to play in our first team?
If Youri/McGinn recover as expected, for our last 8-10 games, we're looking at playing any 2 from:
Onana
Youri
Luiz
Barkley
Bogarde
Hemmings
Plus the option of playing a couple of them in the McGinn/Buendia role which tucks into midfield most of the time. That's quite a lot to choose from, with at least 2 proper first-team players for each position.
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Luiz needs to hit the ground running because if we're honest with ourselves a midfield of Bogarde, Onana and Barkley is crap.
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Luiz needs to hit the ground running because if we're honest with ourselves a midfield of Bogarde, Onana and Barkley is crap.
It's not "crap", it's understrength. Because of all the injuries.
And because it would have been understrength, it's not "Bogarde, Onana and Barkley", it's "Bogarde, Onana, Barkley and Douglas Luiz".
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Luiz needs to hit the ground running because if we're honest with ourselves a midfield of Bogarde, Onana and Barkley is crap.
It’s not crap but it’s not a top 3 quality midfield which is where we are at the moment
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Getting Luiz match fit is obviously critical, not sure how long that will take.
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It's not a top 6/7 midfield either with glaring limitations. Luiz has been anonymous for 2 years. It's a big ask to see him resurrected but I don't doubt that if there is still a player there then Emery will coax it out.
A huge question mark hangs over him though, what Luiz are we getting?
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I’d say Onana is by far the most critical we keep fit now. Keep him
Going for the duration and we can win enough games to keep us going.
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Onana would walk into most midfields in the league. As would Tielemans and Kamara too. And absolutely everybody would have a McGinn- every managers favourite. When you have the best midfield in the league, you're always going to have a step down in quality with Bogarde and Barkley. Both will be deputising for Onana and Dougie for 2 months.
We definitely have had it worse, like the last time we qualified for the Champions League.
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Getting Luiz match fit is obviously critical, not sure how long that will take.
He started and played seventy minutes of the game less than a week ago.
There's no reason to think he won't start on Sunday and pick up more or less where he left off.
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It's not a top 6/7 midfield either with glaring limitations. Luiz has been anonymous for 2 years. It's a big ask to see him resurrected but I don't doubt that if there is still a player there then Emery will coax it out.
A huge question mark hangs over him though, what Luiz are we getting?
People seem to forget we qualified for the Champions League in 2024 with regular midfield appearances from Callum Chambers and Tim Iroebugnam. Kamara, Youri and McGinn are HUGE losses. But the drop-off from first choice to reserve is not as significant as it was in 2024.
A midfield pairing of Onana and Luiz is perfectly capable of top 4 quality. Then we have Barkley and Bogarde as reserves for our reserves.
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Qualifying for the CL needs to be the aim now - losing our first-choice midfield puts an end to any hope of a title challenge.
If we can progress in the FA Cup and EL over the next two month, having SJM and Teilemans back could be the difference between winning a trophy or not.
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I think Bogarde has the promise, with a run of games, to become a player of the quality that wont look out of place in the CL. And I reckon UE shares that view, because if he didn't, he'd have been sacrificed to the PSR gods by now.
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And I think he'll give Hemmings a start tonight.
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Luiz needs to hit the ground running because if we're honest with ourselves a midfield of Bogarde, Onana and Barkley is crap.
If fit, half the league would take that midfield three, maybe more. It’s very well balanced.
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Luiz needs to hit the ground running because if we're honest with ourselves a midfield of Bogarde, Onana and Barkley is crap.
If fit, half the league would take that midfield three, maybe more. It’s very well balanced.
Indeed. It's also worth bearing in mind that this 'replacement' midfield doesn't need to maintain title-winning form (given injuries have probably robbed us of an 11 capable of that sort of challenge). So with the title now just a slim possibility, we focus on our secondary aim - CL football. To achieve that, our replacement midfield doesn't even need to maintain top 4 form. Given our points advantage, it just needs to maintain top 8 form, and we should be fine for qualifying for the Champions League.
And as you say, it's a midfield that is perfectly capable of doing that.
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That midfield is in no way crap, it's bloody good. It's just not as good as the midfield with the three injuries. Luiz coming back in, probably for Bogarde will make it even better.
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At the risk of sounding too happy-clappy, I think we need to stop looking at ourselves in isolation. Losing Kamara, Tielemans and McGinn at the same time is a huge blow, but equally it means we are going into the very busy next 7-8 weeks with a largely fresh set of midfielders - a lot of our opposition won't have that luxury.
Any combination of Onana, Bogarde, Barkley and Luiz is a midfield that would be first choice for over half the teams in the league, with Hemmings as back up and more wide options than we have had up to now (Bailey back, Sancho hitting some form). The change in personnel also throws up a few more questions for opponents over the next few games, who can't necessarily analyse our performances over the last few months and apply them to how we will look in Feb-March.
We then also get McGinn and Tielemans back and fresh for the run-in, and hopefully having to fight for their starting berths due to the form the others have shown. If we can just keep pace over the next 6 or 7 weeks then this will still be a very special season.
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We don't have that midfield for all those games though. No Luiz tonight or against Newcastle, and we don't actually know when Barkley will be available to play.
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Looking at it glass-half-full, this is one of those rare opportunities to give one or two younger players a proper go. We'll soon see whether they've got what it takes.
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We don't have that midfield for all those games though. No Luiz tonight or against Newcastle, and we don't actually know when Barkley will be available to play.
In the grand scheme of things tonight is no more than an inconvenience, and a chance to maybe blood Hemmings. Barkley should be available after this weekend by the sounds of it, and the FA cup-tied rule has changed so unless I'm reading it wrong there is no reason why Luiz can't play against Newcastle?
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We don't have that midfield for all those games though. No Luiz tonight or against Newcastle, and we don't actually know when Barkley will be available to play.
In the grand scheme of things tonight is no more than an inconvenience, and a chance to maybe blood Hemmings. Barkley should be available after this weekend by the sounds of it, and the FA cup-tied rule has changed so unless I'm reading it wrong there is no reason why Luiz can't play against Newcastle?
Nah, FA Cup still has the cup-tied rule I believe.
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We don't have that midfield for all those games though. No Luiz tonight or against Newcastle, and we don't actually know when Barkley will be available to play.
I think the FA Cup game might well see both teams rotating their squad, us for obvious reasons and Newcastle are facing the CL play-offs in Feb.
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We don't have that midfield for all those games though. No Luiz tonight or against Newcastle, and we don't actually know when Barkley will be available to play.
I think the FA Cup game might well see both teams rotating their squad, us for obvious reasons and Newcastle are facing the CL play-offs in Feb.
Presumably his point though is that we don't really have a midfield to rotate anymore. DL wouldn't play as noted, so we're not rotating we're just picking whichever two of Onana / Barkley / Bogarde are still alive.
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We don't have that midfield for all those games though. No Luiz tonight or against Newcastle, and we don't actually know when Barkley will be available to play.
In the grand scheme of things tonight is no more than an inconvenience, and a chance to maybe blood Hemmings. Barkley should be available after this weekend by the sounds of it, and the FA cup-tied rule has changed so unless I'm reading it wrong there is no reason why Luiz can't play against Newcastle?
Nah, FA Cup still has the cup-tied rule I believe.
The club website seems to think he can be involved:
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2026/january/28/interview-dougies-delight-at-villa-return/
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Just checked and you're right, can play for two different teams now, just not in the same round. That's good then. Always hated the cup-tied rule.
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/competition/explained-why-players-can-represent-two-different-clubs-in-fa-cup-this-season-and-how-it-could-benefit-manchester-city
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Yep weird wording but FA has relaxed the rulings.
A Player shall only play for one Club in the Competition during the same Season, save that a Player that has played for one Club in the Qualifying Competition and/or the Competition Proper may play for a maximum of one other Club in the Competition Proper (but may only play for a maximum of one Club in any given round of the Competition).
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We don't have that midfield for all those games though. No Luiz tonight or against Newcastle, and we don't actually know when Barkley will be available to play.
In the grand scheme of things tonight is no more than an inconvenience, and a chance to maybe blood Hemmings. Barkley should be available after this weekend by the sounds of it, and the FA cup-tied rule has changed so unless I'm reading it wrong there is no reason why Luiz can't play against Newcastle?
Nah, FA Cup still has the cup-tied rule I believe.
The club website seems to think he can be involved:
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2026/january/28/interview-dougies-delight-at-villa-return/
You're right. They changed the rules, and I originally read that distinction as being between qualifying and the main competition. But reading it a second time, he's fine.
95.
A Player shall only play for one Club in the Competition during the same Season, save that a
Player that has played for one Club in the Qualifying Competition and/or the Competition
Proper may play for a maximum of one other Club in the Competition Proper (but may only
play for a maximum of one Club in any given round of the Competition).
https://www.thefa.com/-/media/thefacom-new/files/competitions/2025-26/rules/rules-of-the-fa-challenge-cup-2025-26.ashx
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Was just going to say I’m sure I had read somewhere with the Guehi deal that he was in the team that lost to Macclesfield but could still end up playing at Wembley with the Cheats.
Good for us to
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Ornstein suggesting Palace are in talks over a loan for Guessand.
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Ornstein suggesting Palace are in talks over a loan for Guessand.
He's not been great but just in terms of numbers we'd have to get a replacement surely?
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Ornstein suggesting Palace are in talks over a loan for Guessand.
Yeah my Athletic app has just popped up a notification about this, I mean yes if he goes it leaves us light a squad member, at the same time with him here we're pretty much a squad member
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Sterling?!
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Ornstein suggesting Palace are in talks over a loan for Guessand.
PLEASE LET THIS BE SO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Yes, I’m shouting)
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Assume if he goes it will be one more in.
Do it!
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If we do bring in a 4th player they wouldn't be able to play in the Europa as I assume we will be including Bailey, Doug and Tammy. We can only swap out three players. No issue at all if Guessand leaves loan or otherwise.
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If we do bring in a 4th player they wouldn't be able to play in the Europa as I assume we will be including Bailey, Doug and Tammy. We can only swap out three players. No issue at all if Guessand leaves loan or otherwise.
Guess it depends who that hypothetical fourth player is. If it's someone really sexy then I guess Bailey is told he's already had his Europa League fun this season.
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£2m loan fee, minimum, right ?
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£2m loan fee, minimum, right ?
[Obvious joke]We'd probably have to give them more than that.[/obvious joke]
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PL still being the priority, expect it might be another DM/CM we might target - possibly more of a younger ‘project’ type who we’d still expect to feature.
Even if we couldn’t play him in the Europa League this season.
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If we do bring in a 4th player they wouldn't be able to play in the Europa as I assume we will be including Bailey, Doug and Tammy. We can only swap out three players. No issue at all if Guessand leaves loan or otherwise.
Guess it depends who that hypothetical fourth player is. If it's someone really sexy then I guess Bailey is told he's already his his Europa League fun this season.
Yep, someone will miss out if we bring a 4th in. You have to figure Bailey is most at risk because Doug and Tammy are too valuable not to include in the EL set up. We’d all be happy if the third player is a true difference maker.
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It's going to be Sterling. I don't know why you're all resisting the opportunity to get used to it.
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It's going to be Sterling. I don't know why you're all resisting the opportunity to get used to it.
Haha - I think you might be right...
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If Guessand goes to Palace on loan I’d guess we’d bring another loan on from continent, maybe Unai thinks Bailey / Sancho / Alysson are enough to cover right hand side so can use loan option elsewhere in the team?
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Guessand deal done, according to Jason Burt of the Helegraph. Option to buy too.
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Sterling as a six month gamble I could live with. I imagine he's off to Saudi or the US, though.
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It's going to be Sterling. I don't know why you're all resisting the opportunity to get used to it.
If it's Sterling on one leg or Guessand, I'm still choosing Sterling.
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Guessand deal done, according to Jason Burt of the Helegraph. Option to buy too.
Some fancy and tricksy foreign winger on loan please.
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Guessand deal done, according to Jason Burt of the Helegraph. Option to buy too.
Incredible if true.
No doubt the option won’t get exercised. We can’t be that lucky twice.
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Fucking hell what a collapse Palace have had.
Eze gone.
Guehi gone.
Manager wants out.
Mateta wants out.
Guessand in on loan.
If it's loan with obligation to buy then the new bloke has done a number on them there.
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https://x.com/JBurtTelegraph/status/2016866088374427713?s=20
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30m option (presume euros) apparently
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Someone is on the ball in the replies.
Oh no! Our best player plz don’t
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Maybe we're getting Mateta after all, and Watkins is off?
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I very much hope not.
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Sterling?!
Are you actually on drugs?
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Always it seems.
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Bit of a strange one. We can only make three changes to the Europa squad. Tammy/Bailey/Luiz in, so if we are bringing in another player are they just going to play in the league + FA Cup? Or can we sign someone U21 who we would not have to register.
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Sterling?!
Are you actually on drugs?
Not right now.
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Sterling as a six month gamble I could live with. I imagine he's off to Saudi or the US, though.
He hasn’t played for 2 years, has he?
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Bit of a strange one. We can only make three changes to the Europa squad. Tammy/Bailey/Luiz in, so if we are bringing in another player are they just going to play in the league + FA Cup? Or can we sign someone U21 who we would not have to register.
Anyone we sign at this point and we want to play in Europe needs to be named in the main squad.
Or one of Bailey / Tammy / DL doesn't go in the EL squad.
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Maybe we're getting Mateta after all, and Watkins is off?
That crossed my mind
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With buzz kill PSR and all UEFA’s own sinister machinations, it might be a case of the bulk of Malen’s wage going towards Tammy’s arrival and the Guessman’s going towards Doug.
We have Bailey back on the books, too. And he’s one of our top earners.
Might not be a whole pile left to do much more, even if Palace are helping us out.
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Maybe there is space for Loftus Cheek now ?
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I very much hope not.
Bloody right.
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Maybe we're getting Mateta after all, and Watkins is off?
You can post here from your dreams? That's some impressive tech.
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Maybe we're getting Mateta after all, and Watkins is off?
That crossed my mind
Feels very unlikely for the aforementioned UEFA squad rule reasons. We can't use them all.
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With buzz kill PSR and all UEFA’s own sinister machinations, it might be a case of the bulk of Malen’s wage going towards Tammy’s arrival and the Guessman’s going towards Doug.
We have Bailey back on the books, too. And he’s one of our top earners.
Might not be a whole pile left to do much more, even if Palace are helping us out.
I think Roma are still paying whatever they were due to pay aren’t they?
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If Guessand goes it’s hardly a loss and we will just pocket the money and go with one of the kids is my guess. If Bailey leaves then another must be on the way in.
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£2m loan fee, minimum, right ?
Yeah, SE has confirmed it'll be sterling.
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We keep the entire loan fee, is my understanding.
Pretty certain Roma wouldn’t have a numpty sporting director there who agreed to pay his wages for the season - even if the loan is cut short due to injury or whatever.
Unless Faulkner is now plying his trade in the Eternal City.
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Lingard anyone?
Lingard is in talks with English and Italian clubs
Free agent Jesse Lingard is in talks with English and Italian clubs, according to (Mail+)., external
Having left FC Seoul in December, could the 33-year-old still be of value in the Premier League?
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It’s also mental that along with taking Guessand off our hands Palace just lashed out a massive £50M on that lump from Wolves. Which prices Ollie at £100M and Rogers probably at £250M. Just bananas.
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That really would be worthy of Rashford-scale meltdowns.
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Lingard anyone?
Lingard is in talks with English and Italian clubs
Free agent Jesse Lingard is in talks with English and Italian clubs, according to (Mail+)., external
Having left FC Seoul in December, could the 33-year-old still be of value in the Premier League?
If we're low on ball boys.
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Lingard anyone?
Lingard is in talks with English and Italian clubs
Free agent Jesse Lingard is in talks with English and Italian clubs, according to (Mail+)., external
Having left FC Seoul in December, could the 33-year-old still be of value in the Premier League?
No fucking chance. A bigger charlatan you’ll struggle to find.
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Lingard anyone?
Not even in jest.
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Bloody hell, I've been busy for a few hours and so far we've sold Guessand, signing Sterling, Lingard or maybe Loftus Cheek and City have signed a building brick.
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We certainly reach agreement to get rid of players a lot quicker than we do to bring them in!
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No Sterling
No Loftus-Cheek
We are not Everton or West Ham or Forest
No Lingard
We are not Wolves('s reserves)
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With buzz kill PSR and all UEFA’s own sinister machinations, it might be a case of the bulk of Malen’s wage going towards Tammy’s arrival and the Guessman’s going towards Doug.
We have Bailey back on the books, too. And he’s one of our top earners.
Might not be a whole pile left to do much more, even if Palace are helping us out.
I think Roma are still paying whatever they were due to pay aren’t they?
I'm pretty sure that's the case. Every penny helps right now.
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If Guessand goes to Palace on loan I’d guess we’d bring another loan on from continent, maybe Unai thinks Bailey / Sancho / Alysson are enough to cover right hand side so can use loan option elsewhere in the team?
So, in the current climate of "bringing all the old boys back in", maybe needing to replace Guessand on the right-wing from somewhere, and hopefully replacing the pace that we've lost from Malen going with a loan from abroad...
Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
🚨⚫️🔵 Inter are in talks to sign Moussa Diaby from Al Ittihad.
Surprise deal with talks ongoing, understand it’s a loan with buy option clause around €35m.
Diaby already said yes to Inter, deal depends on Al Ittihad
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I'd take Diaby back at those prices. Imagine swapping Guessand for Diaby and it costing basically nothing (wages aside).
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Could be a good move for Diaby, maybe Serie A will suit him more than the Premiership.
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He would absolutely destroy the Premiership. Scott Sinclair won Player of the Year.
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He would absolutely destroy the Premiership. Scott Sinclair won Player of the Year.
I dunno, I don’t think Diaby is suited to rugby.
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I believe that's just "PREM" now. Somebody probably got a couple of hundred grand for that rebrand.
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I believe that's just "PREM" now. Somebody probably got a couple of hundred grand for that rebrand.
You’re right. Who knew?
Definitely money well spent.
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I'd take Diaby back at those prices. Imagine swapping Guessand for Diaby and it costing basically nothing (wages aside).
Having sold him for £20m more than that a couple of years earlier.
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Ornstein suggesting Palace are in talks over a loan for Guessand.
PLEASE LET THIS BE SO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Yes, I’m shouting)
Just been on the news on WM followed directly that they are also in for Strand Larsen from Wolves. Without wishing to be unkind, the days of worrying about them having our number might be coming to an end.
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Palace must be mad.
They must have watched him play for us this season.
Why would you want him????
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They’re buying players for an unknown manager too. Its bonkers.
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Anyhow Heskey has just been seen pulling into the Belfry car park.
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He's just fallen out of his car and the referee has awarded Leicester a penalty.
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Anyhow Heskey has just been seen pulling into the Belfry car park.
He was probably meant to be elsewhere
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I believe that's just "PREM" now. Somebody probably got a couple of hundred grand for that rebrand.
Even worse is the second tier being renamed ‘The Champ’ ::)
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I believe that's just "PREM" now. Somebody probably got a couple of hundred grand for that rebrand.
Yeah but PREM doesn't piss of Dave.
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Anything to these Luis Henrique rumours?
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Anything to these Luis Henrique rumours?
he's been linked to everyone in the past week or so.
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Apparently, Spuds are in for Diaby. He wants champions league football. I reckon he’d get 2 games max.
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Apparently, Spuds are in for Diaby. He wants champions league football. I reckon he’d get 2 games max.
Lolz
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Why would you let Johnson go to the sign Diaby. Spurs have enough attacking options they need a midfield.
I'd love his pace back in our side, but don't think we'll be in for him.
We've been linked with Henrique before he went to Inter I'm sure.
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Why would you let Johnson go to the sign Diaby.
Diaby is miles better, for one.
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Sterling?!
Are you actually on drugs?
Not right now.
Right, Ok, Hookey, I am now. Shoot.
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Why would you let Johnson go to the sign Diaby.
Diaby is miles better, for one.
Yep.
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I can't even believe it's a question. They're on different planets.
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Are they? Diaby had amazing pace, but missed a lot of chances and was very quiet for a few months. Johnson scored the winner in the Europa final and generally had a decent scoring record. Diaby is probably a bit better, but not so much as to make a huge difference at Spurs with what they've got.
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Someone suggested that we were recalling Nedelkovic: is he still on loan and has a recall been made?
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Bild are reporting we're favourites to bring in Danilho Doekhi, Bogarde's cousin from Union Berlin. We were linked with him earlier in the month and his contract ends in June so should be cheap or on a free in the summer.
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Isn't he a centre half?
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If we have any money left to spend, it needs to go on right back cover. If something happens to Cash, we're in trouble, and he's going to be knackered in by April if we run him into the ground every game.
Bogarde is not a right back, he's a good central midfielder. Putting him at right back weakens two positions.
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Are they? Diaby had amazing pace, but missed a lot of chances and was very quiet for a few months. Johnson scored the winner in the Europa final and generally had a decent scoring record. Diaby is probably a bit better, but not so much as to make a huge difference at Spurs with what they've got.
Yes. Yes they are.
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Are they? Diaby had amazing pace, but missed a lot of chances and was very quiet for a few months. Johnson scored the winner in the Europa final and generally had a decent scoring record. Diaby is probably a bit better, but not so much as to make a huge difference at Spurs with what they've got.
It might have been credited to Johnson, but that was because UEFA didn't want the worst goal ever scored to win a final to be credited as an OG.
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If we have any wriggle room at all we need another central midfielder in the next few days.
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If we have any wriggle room at all we need another central midfielder in the next few days.
Yep, an experirnced defensive midfielder on loan until the end of the season. Bogarde's form seems to have deserted him exactly the worst time possible.
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Thought Bogarde was fine in his actual position.
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Are they? Diaby had amazing pace, but missed a lot of chances and was very quiet for a few months. Johnson scored the winner in the Europa final and generally had a decent scoring record. Diaby is probably a bit better, but not so much as to make a huge difference at Spurs with what they've got.
It might have been credited to Johnson, but that was because UEFA didn't want the worst goal ever scored to win a final to be credited as an OG.
Yeah, twas a bit of a Guessand bobbler.
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Thought Bogarde was fine in his actual position.
Same here. It was the big, more experienced player next to him in midfield I was more concerned with. Bogarde was having to do the work of two and he never gave up.
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Thought Bogarde was fine in his actual position.
Same here. It was the big, more experienced player next to him in midfield I was more concerned with. Bogarde was having to do the work of two and he never gave up.
Like most of the team Onana looked like he was playing well within himself, he had about 10minutes of looking his normal self before he was subbed.
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Is this the transfer thread or not?
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If we have any wriggle room at all we need another central midfielder in the next few days.
I think we absolutely have to get another central midfielder in. I'd have no problem with our central midfielders being Onana, Barkley, Bogarde and Luiz for February and March if they were all likely to stay fit. Three of the four have all had fairly major injury problems this season though, so that seems unlikely.
We were clearly looking at signing a central midfielder before Tielemans got injured, so with his injury that suggests we need two, with one obviously being Luiz. Personally I think we should get one in regardless of FFP/PSR and risk having to make a sale in the Summer. This season is too big an opportunity to risk on very injury prone midfielders not getting injured.
I appreciate there are further complications with the restrictions on new signings being added to the European squad.
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Right back is nearly a bigger concern. If Cash got injured we are screwed. Bogarde and Lindelof were dreadful there against weak EL opposition. My thoughts on Konsa playing there are well known, Emery hasn't tried him there in a long time.
Just going to have to roll with it I guess. Ollie pulling up last night is bad but Emery really had no other option. Tammy hopefully off to a flier v Brentford.
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When Brentford are in town perhaps we should have a sneaky word with Jordan Henderson.
Not to start games but to help finish games out. Help to spread the energy around.
Just a thought.
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Bild are reporting we're favourites to bring in Danilho Doekhi, Bogarde's cousin from Union Berlin. We were linked with him earlier in the month and his contract ends in June so should be cheap or on a free in the summer.
So that's Doekhi, Mingueza, McKennie and Wilson who all have their contracts run up in the summer and who we might have an interest in recruiting.
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Right back is nearly a bigger concern. If Cash got injured we are screwed. Bogarde and Lindelof were dreadful there against weak EL opposition. My thoughts on Konsa playing there are well known, Emery hasn't tried him there in a long time.
Just going to have to roll with it I guess. Ollie pulling up last night is bad but Emery really had no other option. Tammy hopefully off to a flier v Brentford.
Could be Okey Doekhi who comes in as an auxiliary RCB / RB ...
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When Brentford are in town perhaps we should have a sneaky word with Jordan Henderson.
Not to start games but to help finish games out. Help to spread the energy around.
Just a thought.
I'd rather not.
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Right back is nearly a bigger concern. If Cash got injured we are screwed. Bogarde and Lindelof were dreadful there against weak EL opposition. My thoughts on Konsa playing there are well known, Emery hasn't tried him there in a long time.
Just going to have to roll with it I guess. Ollie pulling up last night is bad but Emery really had no other option. Tammy hopefully off to a flier v Brentford.
Could be Okey Doekhi who comes in as an auxiliary RCB / RB ...
he will be in out
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Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
🚨⚫️🔵 Inter are in talks to sign Moussa Diaby from Al Ittihad.
Surprise deal with talks ongoing, understand it’s a loan with buy option clause around €35m.
Diaby already said yes to Inter, deal depends on Al Ittihad
This buying back good players for half of what we sell them for strategy is ace. Get him in.
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Right back is nearly a bigger concern. If Cash got injured we are screwed. Bogarde and Lindelof were dreadful there against weak EL opposition. My thoughts on Konsa playing there are well known, Emery hasn't tried him there in a long time.
Just going to have to roll with it I guess. Ollie pulling up last night is bad but Emery really had no other option. Tammy hopefully off to a flier v Brentford.
I like Garcia, but his fitness issues are a worry.
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Juventus now trying to hijack the Guessand deal
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Juventus now trying to hijack the Guessand deal
oooooh a bidding war !!
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Wanting Evann and to offload Dougie. OK boomer.
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Right back is nearly a bigger concern. If Cash got injured we are screwed. Bogarde and Lindelof were dreadful there against weak EL opposition. My thoughts on Konsa playing there are well known, Emery hasn't tried him there in a long time.
Just going to have to roll with it I guess. Ollie pulling up last night is bad but Emery really had no other option. Tammy hopefully off to a flier v Brentford.
I like Garcia, but his fitness issues are a worry.
He would be one of the first i would let go in summer
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Konsa can play right back and we’ve got a few fit centre backs now.
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Romano saying Hoffenheim want Rory Wilson on loan with option to buy in summer for €7m
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Stick a little buy-back in there and that doesn't seem like a bad option.
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Stick a little buy-back in there and that doesn't seem like a bad option.
Yep, agreed, he needs the games more than anything. I'm a little surprised he hasn't been invovled in the last few weeks but maybe this has been on the cards for a while so we've planned for him not being here.
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Has Wilson ever been in a first team matchday squad ?
I didn't realise that he is already 20, ie older than JJA (and probably Kadan as well)
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I've only just realised but Fisnik Asllani from there has been linked with everyone recently (including us) so this could well be them getting a replacement in early.
Could well be that we're agreeing to this with half an eye on it effectively turning into a player+cash swap.
I'd be happy with that, he's another one who looks like he has everything you'd want to step up and become a top striker in the next year or 2.
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Are we going to replace Guessand or just bank the dough and use Bailey?
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Are we going to replace Guessand or just bank the dough and use Bailey?
Emey suggested the latter this afternoon. I don't know though, he seems to love a deal.
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Are we going to replace Guessand or just bank the dough and use Bailey?
Emey suggested the latter this afternoon. I don't know though, he seems to love a deal.
Ah right, cheers. So we're probably done and from now until the end of the season it's a case of being demanding of ourselves, individually and collectively, and in our way / structure. And praying to the football gods that we don't get any more injuries.
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Are we going to replace Guessand or just bank the dough and use Bailey?
If it's a loan with an option, there's not much to bank.
There's almost no chance the option is going to be taken up.
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Are we going to replace Guessand or just bank the dough and use Bailey?
Emey suggested the latter this afternoon. I don't know though, he seems to love a deal.
Ah right, cheers. So we're probably done and from now until the end of the season it's a case of being demanding of ourselves, individually and collectively, and in our way / structure. And praying to the football gods that we don't get any more injuries.
I do think though, that that's the answer he'd give even if we were hoping to bring in someone else.
Still wouldn't be surprised to see another loan come in on Monday. Wouldn't be surprised if we didn't either, mind.
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A few people on the AV1 bus back last night spoke about Harry Wilson from Fulham for Gbp10m. Haven't seen it anywhere on line so no idea if it was just speculation. Good player.
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Still think they’ll try to make one more move. Perhaps just a loan from abroad, but one more.
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A few people on the AV1 bus back last night spoke about Harry Wilson from Fulham for Gbp10m. Haven't seen it anywhere on line so no idea if it was just speculation. Good player.
With the greatest of respect to your sources, I don't think people on a bus will have any particular inside knowledge.
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A few people on the AV1 bus back last night spoke about Harry Wilson from Fulham for Gbp10m. Haven't seen it anywhere on line so no idea if it was just speculation. Good player.
Hopefully Vinnie will be able to confirm if there's anything to it.
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A few people on the AV1 bus back last night spoke about Harry Wilson from Fulham for Gbp10m. Haven't seen it anywhere on line so no idea if it was just speculation. Good player.
With the greatest of respect to your sources, I don't think people on a bus will have any particular inside knowledge.
It was Prince William and Nassef on a ‘men of the people’ vibe.
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Unai said in his press conference he didn’t think there would be any surprises on transfers now
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A few people on the AV1 bus back last night spoke about Harry Wilson from Fulham for Gbp10m. Haven't seen it anywhere on line so no idea if it was just speculation. Good player.
With the greatest of respect to your sources, I don't think people on a bus will have any particular inside knowledge.
The man on the Clapham omnibus used to be a regular source…
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A few people on the AV1 bus back last night spoke about Harry Wilson from Fulham for Gbp10m. Haven't seen it anywhere on line so no idea if it was just speculation. Good player.
With the greatest of respect to your sources, I don't think people on a bus will have any particular inside knowledge.
Au contraire, I always take my information off people on the buses. I caught a bus from Liverpool to Widnes once to watch Everton Reserves vs Villa Reserves with a couple of Evertonians. There was a chap on the bus who told me that if you ring the “stop” button an odd number of times it turns some kind of government surveillance system on - they’re tracking random old scousers who travel to Widnes obviously - and proceeded to ring it an additional time whenever someone pressed it an odd number of times.
He also told me that “Everton is an anagram of Never Turn”, which both sounded unimpressive and was factually incorrect. So he seemed the man to put my faith in.
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Unai said in his press conference he didn’t think there would be any surprises on transfers now
Well they wouldn't be surprises if he told us about them.
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A few people on the AV1 bus back last night spoke about Harry Wilson from Fulham for Gbp10m. Haven't seen it anywhere on line so no idea if it was just speculation. Good player.
With the greatest of respect to your sources, I don't think people on a bus will have any particular inside knowledge.
Might have been Emery on the circular.
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Unai said in his press conference he didn’t think there would be any surprises on transfers now
Well they wouldn't be surprises if he told us about them.
ooooh good point, i do like a nice surprise
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And because we're all expecting two or three more massive signings on Monday.
So we're not going to be surprised when that inevitably happens.
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Rashford has just told his Barcelona team-mates to fuck off and is on his way to BHX according to my source (the voice in my head).
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A few people on the AV1 bus back last night spoke about Harry Wilson from Fulham for Gbp10m. Haven't seen it anywhere on line so no idea if it was just speculation. Good player.
Hopefully Vinnie will be able to confirm if there's anything to it.
He had to catch the next one so nothing doing.
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A few people on the AV1 bus back last night spoke about Harry Wilson from Fulham for Gbp10m. Haven't seen it anywhere on line so no idea if it was just speculation. Good player.
With the greatest of respect to your sources, I don't think people on a bus will have any particular inside knowledge.
It was Prince William and Nassef on a ‘men of the people’ vibe.
Wolfie knows the score!
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Are we going to replace Guessand or just bank the dough and use Bailey?
Emey suggested the latter this afternoon. I don't know though, he seems to love a deal.
Ah right, cheers. So we're probably done and from now until the end of the season it's a case of being demanding of ourselves, individually and collectively, and in our way / structure. And praying to the football gods that we don't get any more injuries.
Avoid any more injuries and we can probably just manage with what we've got now and with a couple coming back. I just can't help but think that Kamara is a massive miss though and we don't really have anyone else who can replace him.
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To be honest, there are probably not many players out there who could replace Kamara, even if we did have the funds.
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Kante on a 6 month deal might just about do it lol.
As ever with Villa, we look a mid and a winger short to me going into the second half of the season, but then if McGinn and Tielemans get back a couple of weeks before schedule we might be ok. Much rests on Onana and Barkley staying fit now.
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We need another attacker for me. A winger ideally. Not sure who but a loan from abroad makes sense.
Or we sort out the Elliot deal and are able to use him.
Rogers, Buendia, Bailey, Sancho while McGinn out doesn’t feel like enough for me.
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Are we going to replace Guessand or just bank the dough and use Bailey?
Emey suggested the latter this afternoon. I don't know though, he seems to love a deal.
Ah right, cheers. So we're probably done and from now until the end of the season it's a case of being demanding of ourselves, individually and collectively, and in our way / structure. And praying to the football gods that we don't get any more injuries.
Avoid any more injuries and we can probably just manage with what we've got now and with a couple coming back. I just can't help but think that Kamara is a massive miss though and we don't really have anyone else who can replace him.
Onana did the job at Newcastle. Didn't try a leg during the week so should be nice and fresh for Brentford. Luiz, Bailey and Tammy are three very good players at their best, just need them to settle in quickly.
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I think we are done but would consider Neves on loan from Saudi? Put him in the shop window for a move this summer.
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Neves is a great shout, but I bet his wages are astronomical.
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Just signed a new contract, I think.
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Are we going to replace Guessand or just bank the dough and use Bailey?
Emey suggested the latter this afternoon. I don't know though, he seems to love a deal.
Ah right, cheers. So we're probably done and from now until the end of the season it's a case of being demanding of ourselves, individually and collectively, and in our way / structure. And praying to the football gods that we don't get any more injuries.
Avoid any more injuries and we can probably just manage with what we've got now and with a couple coming back. I just can't help but think that Kamara is a massive miss though and we don't really have anyone else who can replace him.
Onana did the job at Newcastle. Didn't try a leg during the week so should be nice and fresh for Brentford. Luiz, Bailey and Tammy are three very good players at their best, just need them to settle in quickly.
I'm a fan of Onana, but I don't think he's the kind of player who.can transition play like Kamara can. He's the kind of player who plays next to someone like that in midfield. Same with Douglas Luiz.
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If Onana stays fit and consistently plays like he did in that first half against Arsenal he probably would get a move to one of the world’s best teams one day. He’s showed glimpses of what a player he is. I’d say most of the time, he’s vey good, but that game in particular he was outstanding.
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Onana is a cracking player and pretty much always has been. In today's market the money we paid was fine. The problem is, he's and injury crock, and so is Kamara, Barkley and so was Ramsey for that matter. I'd prefer it if he'd keep his career goals to himself though if it doesn't include us.
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Every player should aspire to play on the biggest stage with the biggest clubs…no issue with Onana saying it’s his ambition…to get to there he has to play to the very best of his ability so the challenge is with him to get us to the champions league, win trophies and we’ll see where it heads.
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It’s our job as a club to ensure our best players feel we are the best place for their careers. If we carry on as we have been under Emery then we will keep more of our top players and attract excellent ones. For years before Emery arrived, certainly most of the ones many of us remember we have failed in that regard. It’s why we have lost the likes of Yorke, Barry, Milner, Delph, Jack etc. We have to change that by winning trophies. And while Emery is a massive piece of that, the financial rules will also inhibit our progress versus whose clubs already higher up the football food chain. We can’t pay the transfer fees and more importantly the wages. Or when we do we have to be absolutely certain the players will be a success. There has to be minimal margin of error.
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I'm a fan of Onana, but I don't think he's the kind of player who.can transition play like Kamara can. He's the kind of player who plays next to someone like that in midfield. Same with Douglas Luiz.
I can see us playing Bogarde and Onana with Luiz slightly ahead. Across the three of them we hopefully add enough tackles to compensate for losing both Kamara and McGinn. Rogers moved wide. Bailey/Buendia/Sancho/Hemmings/Barkley used as necessary to keep everyone fresh.
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Kroupi in the summer please.
Rayan looked like he had talent as well. Why are Bournemouth hoovering up players like that whilst we're signing Guessand? Recruitment is the missing piece of the puzzle at the minute.
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It might be that they can promise a quicker "pathway" to the first team than us and their agents feel that will in turn get the player a bigger move within a year or two if they do well.
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I can see us playing Bogarde and Onana with Luiz slightly ahead.
My thinking too. I think we've looked most potent when we've had Kamara and Onana in tandem, with Tielemans just ahead orchestrating the movement of front 4. So the formation you suggest would be the best simulation of that.
Big bazooka stuff though, could play a whole match like that? Or is it just an option on 60 mins?
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It’s our job as a club to ensure our best players feel we are the best place for their careers. If we carry on as we have been under Emery then we will keep more of our top players and attract excellent ones. For years before Emery arrived, certainly most of the ones many of us remember we have failed in that regard. It’s why we have lost the likes of Yorke, Barry, Milner, Delph, Jack etc. We have to change that by winning trophies. And while Emery is a massive piece of that, the financial rules will also inhibit our progress versus whose clubs already higher up the football food chain. We can’t pay the transfer fees and more importantly the wages. Or when we do we have to be absolutely certain the players will be a success. There has to be minimal margin of error.
You're right that it's about winning trophies but it's also about growing the commercial revenue quickly so that we can afford the salaries we'll need to be paying. Each factor - winning on the pitch and building revenue - drives the other, and there's some pressure to achieve in both areas in the next 12-15 months otherwise our current momentum may fizzle out.
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It might be that they can promise a quicker "pathway" to the first team than us and their agents feel that will in turn get the player a bigger move within a year or two if they do well.
Hopefully, us starting to give games to Hemmings, Jimoh and KY may demonstrate that there is a good pathway at villa.
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Don’t know if this has been posted before.
Read an article yesterday evening linking us with Brahim Diaz, from Real Madrid.
The numbers mentioned were £39m with a shed load of add ons.
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At last, someone who can take a penalty...
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It might be that they can promise a quicker "pathway" to the first team than us and their agents feel that will in turn get the player a bigger move within a year or two if they do well.
Hopefully, us starting to give games to Hemmings, Jimoh and KY may demonstrate that there is a good pathway at villa.
Arguably we have fully integrated Bogarde into the first team this season, however it would be better if the next talent was closer behind.
Ultimately aiming for one ‘graduate’ each year.
I think we’ve missed a trick not playing more youth players. compared to Bournemouth we have about ten extra games in Europe that could have been used.
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Would we have finished Top Two or Top Eight though ? We still have plenty of senior players that don't get as much game time as they'd like.
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It’s our job as a club to ensure our best players feel we are the best place for their careers. If we carry on as we have been under Emery then we will keep more of our top players and attract excellent ones. For years before Emery arrived, certainly most of the ones many of us remember we have failed in that regard. It’s why we have lost the likes of Yorke, Barry, Milner, Delph, Jack etc. We have to change that by winning trophies. And while Emery is a massive piece of that, the financial rules will also inhibit our progress versus whose clubs already higher up the football food chain. We can’t pay the transfer fees and more importantly the wages. Or when we do we have to be absolutely certain the players will be a success. There has to be minimal margin of error.
You're right that it's about winning trophies but it's also about growing the commercial revenue quickly so that we can afford the salaries we'll need to be paying. Each factor - winning on the pitch and building revenue - drives the other, and there's some pressure to achieve in both areas in the next 12-15 months otherwise our current momentum may fizzle out.
It also doesn't matter how much you win, or how much you earn, you are STILL going to lose good players who want to move on and try their luck elsewhere - even if for nothing more than a 'new challenge'. Man Utd lost Ronaldo to Real Madrid at the peak of his powers, despite winning three league titles on the bounce and the Champions League. Sometimes, players just want to play for someone else.
As hard as it is, you have to accept that players don't form the sort of attachment to their "employers" that we do, and they will have their own personal ambitions that might involve playing elsewhere. As long as they do their absolute best when wearing the shirt, and don't deliberately screw us over, I'm comfortable with that.
If one of our players admitted that they'd like to play abroad one day, just to experience it, I wouldn't automatically begrudge them doing that. Again, as long as they're doing everything in their power to help the team while they're here.
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At last, someone who can take a penalty...
Chortle.
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Liverpool want Geertruida from Sunderland via his parent club, the RB we wanted 18 or 24 months ago but couldn't afford. Luckily, when you've got Cash, you don't need nobody else.
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Liverpool want Geertruida from Sunderland via his parent club, the RB we wanted 18 or 24 months ago but couldn't afford. Luckily, when you've got Cash, you don't need nobody else.
I wish we had gotthat kayode when we was rumoured , but to be fair cash could have been englands RB by now the level he has gone up.
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Would we have finished Top Two or Top Eight though ? We still have plenty of senior players that don't get as much game time as they'd like.
That’s it, it’s a balance of getting everyone playing enough that we can have a 23/25 man squad where there’s little drop off in quality and everyone’s happy.
With European football, cups, the Premier League. That’s probably around 55 games a season if we do alright (38 league, 6 in the cups, quarter final onwards in Europe) which equates to averaging about 25 games per player. It’s not loads, especially expect your first teamers to be racking up 45+ games.
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Indeed.
Emery didn't seem to categorically rule-out any more signings tomorrow in the quotes I've seen post-Brentford.
Has offloading Guessand given us one last bit of wriggle-room or did signing Luiz take that up? I assume we'd be looking for another CM rather than a wide option. Was Gallagher chased before or after Bouba's injury?
I'd let Bogarde go out on-loan to a bottom-half Prem team if it helped balance the books and let us bring in someone in his place more experienced and more reliable in possession.
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Indeed.
Emery didn't seem to categorically rule-out any more signings tomorrow in the quotes I've seen post-Brentford.
Has offloading Guessand given us one last bit of wriggle-room or did signing Luiz take that up? I assume we'd be looking for another CM rather than a wide option. Was Gallagher chased before or after Bouba's injury?
I'd let Bogarde go out on-loan to a bottom-half Prem team if it helped balance the books and let us bring in someone in his place more experienced and more reliable in possession.
Unfortunately i cant see anymore coming in. I think we are done until the summer
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I'd bloody love a genuine pacy winger that could beat a man and take people out of the game.
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I'd bloody love a genuine pacy winger that could beat a man and take people out of the game.
And how often is that type of play seen in the Premier League these days? Even teams with proper wingers like the Barcodes don't use them as out-and-out wingers. It's not Emery's game.
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I know it's not, and actually we'd be much better off getting in a genuine central attacking mid with a bit of physical presence to let Unai play his box midfield as that's when we are at our best.
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I think my main concern is that we are losing out on the type of players that Bournemouth, Brighton and Brentford seem to uncover with some regularity. Bournemouth replaced - almost seamlessly - 3 of their 4 regular back-line starters from last season, having garnered around £200m in transfer fees. They have brought in Kroupi and Rayan who have taken seemingly only '5 minutes' to settle in and start delivering.
Brighton seem to be adept at spotting and developing CMF.
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The problem for me is that we either sign players we think will get us three steps forward, or players who might allow us to avoid spending a fortune in five years' time. There's no medium term option.
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The problem for me is that we either sign players we think will get us three steps forward, or players who might allow us to avoid spending a fortune in five years' time. There's no medium term option.
The examples about Bournemouth above are sort of both / and: they seem to find players who can immediately play first-team football but also have medium-term value.
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If we had a fully fit squad, the only position that needs improvement with a top quality addition is wide right.
2 of our missing top players will be back in 6-8 weeks.
I can’t see us doing anything else today.
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If we had a fully fit squad, the only position that needs improvement with a top quality addition is wide right.
2 of our missing top players will be back in 6-8 weeks.
I can’t see us doing anything else today.
I suppose that depends how committed we are to ensuring CL football for next season (from either a top 5 placing or from the Europa league): with where we are at with key injuries, the 6-8 weeks may well prove to be decisive in both routes to Champs League.
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We’re not signing anyone else today
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If we had a fully fit squad, the only position that needs improvement with a top quality addition is wide right.
2 of our missing top players will be back in 6-8 weeks.
I can’t see us doing anything else today.
I suppose that depends how committed we are to ensuring CL football for next season (from either a top 5 placing or from the Europa league): with where we are at with key injuries, the 6-8 weeks may well prove to be decisive in both routes to Champs League.
Even when the injured players return it's going to be the usual couple of games for them to get back up to speed. We're realistically talking about them having an effect from mid April, the season is almost over by then.
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Even when the injured players return it's going to be the usual couple of games for them to get back up to speed. We're realistically talking about them having an effect from mid April, the season is almost over by then.
They'll have been out for two months, not two years. They won't have forgotten how to kick a football.
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From The Athletic
Analysis
IS ASTON VILLA BRINGING BACK TAMMY ABRAHAM AND DOUGLAS LUIZ A STEP FORWARD?
Jacob Tanswell
There is a human impulse to stick with what, and who, you know. When presented with a choice of old or new, there is an understandable preference for positive past experiences.
It can feel like a comfort blanket or imbue a sense of nostalgia, wanting to repeat a once-fond memory. This can be your favourite television series, that holey old hoodie that fits just right, or going back to a cherished place from your childhood.
“It still doesn’t feel real (coming back). Since the first time I arrived here, I fell in love with the club,” wrote Tammy Abraham in the programme notes for Aston Villa’s home game against Brentford on Sunday. “Ever since I left the club, I’ve pretty much watched every game. I have so many great memories and I’m here now to create more.”
That nostalgic feeling is warm and cosy, yet the counter-argument is that you are treading, sometimes literally and figuratively, over old ground. As a self-help guru would say: narrow-mindedness does not allow growth.
Villa’s return for two old favourites in the transfer market in recent days raises this very question. Are the two (re)signings of Abraham and Douglas Luiz and, to a lesser extent, Leon Bailey being brought back early from what was meant to be a season-long loan to Roma perfect reunions or looking back at a time when the club should be looking forward?
Are they the signings Villa require to energise their squad for the second half of the season, a group presently ailing after back-to-back home league defeats?
“Another 20 goals would be nice,” joked defender Tyrone Mings, when asked about the return of former Villa team-mate Abraham last week. a reference to the striker’s previous season in claret and blue. “A fantastic player, a fantastic person. It’s important that players who sign in January hit the ground running. Tammy is a bright lad, knows a lot of people here and I have no doubt he will be a great addition to the squad.”
This iteration of Villa are never content to stand still. It is why, despite all the complications with various financial sanctions, Unai Emery presses on with demanding progress every season, and squad improvements in every transfer window. Many managers may accept they have to hold out for marquee additions in the summer, but Emery views constant evolution and change as a stimulus for growth.
As a consequence, it may seem counter-intuitive for him to drive the signing of a forward who had scored 26 goals for the club in the 2018-19 Championship promotion-winning campaign when on loan from Chelsea. Or a midfielder who left for Juventus of Italy’s Serie A 18 months ago and in that time, has failed to recapture his best form, hence the 27-year-old Brazilian’s now-curtailed season-long loan at Nottingham Forest.
Villa have transformed under Emery’s elite-level coaching since his 2022 appointment. Recruitment, and his complete autonomy over this, though, has experienced mixed results. Evann Guessand’s loan (with an option of a permanent transfer) to Crystal Palace for the rest of this season, just six months after joining from Nice, is another example of a move that has not worked out, and it underlines that new signings at Villa can find it hard to break into the team, owing to the existing environment and personnel proving long-standing and successful.
The returns of Douglas Luiz and Abraham mean Villa’s squad remains ironically similar to the one Dean Smith left behind when he was sacked as manager in November 2021. It was not lost to many on social media that Emery only needs a left-back — maybe Matt Targett, the Villa old boy currently on loan to Championship side Middlesbrough from parent club Newcastle — to also re-sign to be able to field an entire XI who had played for the club under Smith more than five years ago.
Emery wrote in his section of Sunday’s programme that he dares Villa fans “to dream”. In his view, dreaming carries a practical element — Abraham and Douglas Luiz are practical signings made for the here and now and are confidently anticipated to make an immediate impact.
The two deals are an example of realism within the winter window’s market conditions and, if they turn out to be successful, they could help realise Villa’s dreams.
Both started against Brentford yesterday, and their immediate inclusions were needed: Villa were short in midfield, which meant Douglas Luiz came straight in, while Ollie Watkins’ slight injury — he should be fit for Bournemouth away on Saturday — required Abraham up front.
The necessity of Abraham and Douglas Luiz driving renewed impetus is even more acute after what turned out to be a 1-0 loss at home to a side down to 10 men for the whole second half following Kevin Schade’s red card.
Villa toiled to break down an increasingly low block, playing sideways and slowly across a wall of blue shirts, whose occupants grew in belief that they could hold onto their lead and simply crowd them out. Emery’s men completed 355 passes in the second half, their most in a single half of Premier League football on record (in this case, since the 2003-04 campaign), while their 27 shots in the match — most of them in vain — was (by nine) their highest total this season.
Although it was in defeat, Douglas Luiz was Villa’s best player and offered a reminder that Emery’s system, forged on a cluster of midfielders and intricate combinations, suits his attributes.
Abraham, meanwhile, symbolised the frustration felt inside Villa Park, having had a first-half shot saved by Caoimhin Kelleher before turning a rebound into the net in the second half, only for a four-minute VAR check to deem the ball had gone out of play right down at the other end of the pitch before the move began.
The 28-year-old England international, who has been at Roma and Milan (the latter on loan) in Italy and then Turkey’s Besiktas since leaving Chelsea in summer 2021, covered his face with his hands as he anxiously awaited the verdict and appeared crestfallen when his goal on his second Villa debut vanished at the sound of the referee’s whistle.
Emery roared at his players to stay calm, yet exasperation grew by the minute. As Brentford retreated and defended manfully, the home side proved short of ideas.
They remain six points clear of fifth place in the battle for Champions League qualification, but the need for Abraham, Douglas Luiz and Bailey — who sent a shot over the crossbar in the final minute of normal time, having come on as a substitute at half-time — to invigorate team-mates is obvious. Tellingly, Villa played the entirety of the second half with just Douglas Luiz in central midfield and Abraham as the only striking option that could be used.
Emery rued dropped points last season, determining that missing out on the Champions League via goal difference was down to these marginal errors. Two draws with relegation-bound Ipswich Town were haunting, particularly the February contest when the visitors had defender Axel Tuanzebe sent off shortly before half-time.
Something similar transpired on Sunday, with Schade shown red almost to the exact same minute.
This time, however, it was worse; Villa have lost both league games to Brentford 1-0, so have suffered successive, potentially damaging, home defeats in the top flight, following Everton’s win by the same score two weeks ago.
Still, a key reason why Villa got so close to making the Champions League last season was because of January’s impetus via the arrivals on loan of Marcus Rashford and Marco Asensio.
In a better position now than they were 12 months ago (eighth, with nine fewer points), if Abraham and Douglas Luiz can offer something comparable, Champions League football again in 2026-27 will remain within their control. But the nature of this latest loss has dialled up the pressure.
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Be intereting If someone likes Buendia gets a long term injury , will we have to then play Elliot and buy him , even Rogers getting one.
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No-one else will come in today.
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Ben Broggio off to Falkirk for the rest of the season.
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No-one else will come in today.
Emery has said as much hasnt he?
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Ben Broggio off to Falkirk for the rest of the season.
Rather him than me.
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He probably wants to see the Kelpies.
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He probably wants to see the Kelpies.
The Falkirk Wheel
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Palace have got abundance of centre forwards as AC return JPM without pen to paper.
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Jimoh Aloba has gone to West Brom on loan. Bit of an odd one for me, he looked really good against Salzbrurg. Unless it's to make room for a new arrival? Can't see it though.
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Poor JP, issues with his medical. After Sammy Junior got to leave Sandwell for Pisa, hopefully Mateta can get his dream move from Croydon to close to Como.
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He probably wants to see the Kelpies.
The Falkirk Wheel
The Wheel broke down as we visited! :-[
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He probably wants to see the Kelpies.
Young Ben is a keen UFOlogist and wants to spend some time in the Falkirk Triangle.
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Jimoh Aloba has gone to West Brom on loan. Bit of an odd one for me, he looked really good against Salzbrurg. Unless it's to make room for a new arrival? Can't see it though.
Why the hell would half a season work for him there?!
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Jimoh Aloba has gone to West Brom on loan. Bit of an odd one for me, he looked really good against Salzbrurg. Unless it's to make room for a new arrival? Can't see it though.
Id have loved to have seen him last 25 mins against Brentford.
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Did we sign anyone?
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48 million for Larsen wtf
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Did we sign anyone?
got some new staff at the Villa shop .
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Did we sign anyone?
got some new staff at the Villa shop .
Only on loan, they'll be returning to Thomas Royall in the summer.
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Kalvin phillips career going well.
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Did we sign anyone?
Doesn't look like it, another poor transfer window on top of the summer window, with our midfield gone south we are relying on Luiz and Onana to pull us through a very crucial time now, to imagine Onana can get through the end of season without significant injury is fanciful, I struggle to see him through 90 mins without injury, we have Chelsea on our backs and the whole football industry and referring fraternity are going to make damn sure Manchester United will finish top 4 this season, one way or another.
We need to make sure we win pretty much most games now and win them well.
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Kalvin phillips career going well.
For all the success his style of football has had (and it has been VERY successful), he has ruined quite a lot of very good English players along the way.
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Kalvin phillips career going well.
For all the success his style of football has had (and it has been VERY successful), he has ruined quite a lot of very good English players along the way.
Shhhhhh people don’t talk about that side of his work
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Kadan Young off to Reading on loan.
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Kalvin phillips career going well.
For all the success his style of football has had (and it has been VERY successful), he has ruined quite a lot of very good English players along the way.
Shhhhhh people don’t talk about that side of his work
And of course the young players fortunate enough to escape flourish once freed from the Pep 'system'... Rogers and Palmer the prime examples. Imagine having a system in place that doesn't allow you to recognise how good a player Morgan Rogers will be?
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Kosta Nedeljkovic could be joining Fiorentina until the end of the season.
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Louie Barry has gone back to Stockport on loan.
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Lino Sousa has gone to Rotherham on loan.
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Lino Sousa has gone to Rotherham on loan.
I wonder if he has ever visited Villa Park?
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Kadan Young off to Reading on loan.
and just like that after winning a Europa game for us both boys are on their way to dip in pile of manure.
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Fair few out on loan, probably saved us a few quid.
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Would you rather they stayedplaying reserve/U21 football and getting, perhaps, one or two substitute appearances?
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48 million for Larsen wtf
Given that, £35m for Harvey Elliott seems quite reasonable
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Imagine paying almost 50m for Strand Larsen, fucking hell.
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Imagine paying almost 50m for Strand Larsen, fucking hell.
Is Strand short for Stranded.
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Strand Larsen... not so inpressive as a footballer. I'd be more inpressed if you told me that as a kid he was an extra in The Killing (Dansk version) and can be seen in the background when Troels Hartmann is investigated for the murder of Nana Birk Larsen.
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Imagine paying almost 50m for Strand Larsen, fucking hell.
Is Strand short for Stranded.
It’s
Jorgen Grand Larceny
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Someone on the socials said Strand Larsen looks like PT at Pure Gym and now that’s all I can see.
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With only 7 signings on the final day in the Premier League, who actually watches this rolling tv news in sky sports? Harry Redknapp is still in their heads.
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PSR and SCR shown in full this year. Lowest spenders in the league! Plus weve even got rid of some of the folk we actually spent money on
Summer i believe we will have a lot more freedom to operate. Plus we will move on a few senior ones for money (Emi for sure, probably watkins, one of the CM's etc)
Add in a few clever Bosmans - weve been linked to bogardes CB cousin, Mingueza id be stunned if weve not offered him a deal, even Harry Wilson
Would then give a platform for circa 4 starters IN on top and overall better squad
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Not if we sell any of the midfield we won't.
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Kadan Young off to Reading on loan.
I'd have tried to offload Sancho and kept KY; but maybe that option just wasn't deliverable.
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Teamtalk so 95% shite but we are supposed to be after MGW from Forest. I can only see him as a replacement for our Morgz after we sell him if it is in the 5%.
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I genuinely think Rogers would not be as effective under any other coach so if stupid £100M+ offers come in i would consider it as good as he is for us.
I think we would be able to spend Grealish kind of money a lot better than we did previously.
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I'd be annoyed if we only got £100m. He's worth closer to £150m
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The trouble is we wouldn't be able to spend it, because £150 million only helps with one element of FFP regulations. We wouldn't be able to afford the wages of, say, two £75 million or three £50 million players.
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If we get CL football again, will we able to spend proper money again this summer (not on former players down on their luck) on improving the first X1? Competition for likes of Cash and McGinn for starters. Likes of MGW or Anderson out of Forest
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Anderson will go to Man Utd/City. Selling Rogers is probably inevitable I’d guess, and I can imagine someone like Gibbs White coming in.
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I like the MGW rumour. It will only happen if we get CL but not at the expense of selling Rogers hopefully.
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I like the MGW rumour. It will only happen if we get CL but not at the expense of selling Rogers hopefully.
I like it too. I love Buendia, but this seems an upgrade.
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If Forest go down, I imagine we'd be at the front of the queue. Don't see him going to anyone who is obviously a bigger draw as he doesn't really fit there. If he was happy to go to Spurs in the summer, there's no reason he wouldn't be interested in us.
And either way, bringing in Gibbs-White to play with Rogers for a year in case summer '27 ends up being a Rogers sale feels like sensible planning, akin to the Tielemans / DL situation.
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I'd be annoyed if we only got £100m. He's worth closer to £150m
If/when Rogers leaves £150 million will be the staring price - he'd be one of the most sought after players in the world, in his early 20s and with a record of already performing at PL, CL and international level.
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I like the MGW rumour. It will only happen if we get CL but not at the expense of selling Rogers hopefully.
I like it too. I love Buendia, but this seems an upgrade.
I think this is the right answer, it wouldn't be about replacing Rogers, it would be replacing Buendia or possibly pushing McGinn out of the automatic starter role he has. We're at the point now where our list of capable starters needs to push up to 17/18 players so we can both absorb a few injuries but also rotate a bit more than we have to avoid them in the first place.
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I like the MGW rumour. It will only happen if we get CL but not at the expense of selling Rogers hopefully.
I like it too. I love Buendia, but this seems an upgrade.
I think this is the right answer, it wouldn't be about replacing Rogers, it would be replacing Buendia or possibly pushing McGinn out of the automatic starter role he has. We're at the point now where our list of capable starters needs to push up to 17/18 players so we can both absorb a few injuries but also rotate a bit more than we have to avoid them in the first place.
If Rogers went, then I'd think we'd need to make signings to fill the right wing, number 10 and left side spots really.
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MGW is exactly the type of signing that would take us forward.
That would not be achieved by selling Roger’s to fund it, we need both to take us up a level.
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Gibbs-White seems to be an Emery sort of player too; a versatile, hard-working leader, and has goals in him too.
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Gibbs-White seems to be an Emery sort of player too; a versatile, hard-working leader, and has goals in him too.
Yeah, MGW as an upgrade on Buendia would be great. As a replacement for Rogers, not so much.
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Gibbs-White seems to be an Emery sort of player too; a versatile, hard-working leader, and has goals in him too.
Yup, I reckon you could drop him into any of the roles that Rogers, McGinn, Buendia or Tielemans (when he has Onana / Buendia behind him) do and he'd make a pretty go of it.
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Yes I like him, but I yearn for the day when we get in that level of player to play with and not instead of Rogers.
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Can we stop talking about Rogers leaving? It's giving me the hump just thinking about it.
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MGW would be great and ideal for the system
Not sure we can afford him. He cost Forest £40m and has a long contract.
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MGW would be great and ideal for the system
Not sure we can afford him. He cost Forest £40m and has a long contract.
MGW could agitate for a move if they stay shit, or worse go down. They will also have amortised a fair chunk of the original fee so the profit at, say £50m, would be pretty chunky.
It’s amazing that their midfield can contain MGW and Anderson yet they’re stuck down near the bottom.
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I'd look at Rico Lewis and Liam Delap too. Not that I'm advocating for only English players but think Emery could do wonders with Delap and Lewis is tactically smart.
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MGW would be great and ideal for the system
Not sure we can afford him. He cost Forest £40m and has a long contract.
MGW could agitate for a move if they stay shit, or worse go down. They will also have amortised a fair chunk of the original fee so the profit at, say £50m, would be pretty chunky.
It’s amazing that their midfield can contain MGW and Anderson yet they’re stuck down near the bottom.
Maybe you're right, PSR is a factor too. He had a release clause of £60m last Summer, which Spurs activated and he opted to stay and sign a new deal.
I suspect the clause was either removed or increased.
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Rico Lewis covers loads of positions too.
No idea whether he’s any good though. Pep-ball squeezes all the fun from players.
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Rico Lewis covers loads of positions too.
No idea whether he’s any good though. Pep-ball squeezes all the fun from players.
Ain’t thought much of him since McGinn bested him a couple of years ago…
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Pep likes Lewis so I can’t see him being available?
I’d love the ‘orrible Bruno Guimarães, but I see him signing for a top side soon. He’s brilliant and a pain in the back side. For someone so annoying he seems to get some fair luck from the ref. MGW would be a great alternative though.
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One attribute we are in massive need of in the summer is pace.
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One attribute we are in massive need of in the summer is pace.
We’ve been saying that since we lost Rashford.
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Is Alysson quick? Couldn't really tell from the cameo.
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I'd look at Rico Lewis and Liam Delap too. Not that I'm advocating for only English players but think Emery could do wonders with Delap and Lewis is tactically smart.
I was thinking Delap could be decent. For various reasons he’s not had much of a look in at Chelsea but he was a real handful at Ipswich, worked hard and was a goal threat. Chelsea will no doubt look to strengthen up front in the summer so I reckon he’d be available.
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Is Alysson quick? Couldn't really tell from the cameo.
Not particularly at first glance. Solid first touch for sure.
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Apparently we were after Bergvall from Spurs during the window.
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We've unearthed some diamonds for sure, but our recruitment has not been great over the past few years at a time when we needed it to be spot on given the restrictions we are under. Haven't been able to find proper back-up.at RB for Cash, but it is the attacking options that have been the most disappointing really. The summer signings of Sancho, Elliott and Guessand have been really disappointing to the point where one is a bit-part player, one doesn't make the squad on a regular basis and we've had to get rid of the other one one loan he was that bad. As a result, we've had to call back and rely on the previously discarded Buendia and Bailey, who are showing why we tried to get rid of them in the first place.
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^^ Harsh on Buendia and his 7 goals and 5 assists.
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Buendias season could be beneficial to us also in being able to command a decent fee for him in the Summer.
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^^ Harsh on Buendia and his 7 goals and 5 assists.
Maybe a bit harsh, but he's a player that we'd moved on from, yet have had to bring back and rely on quite heavily due to our situation.
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^^ Harsh on Buendia and his 7 goals and 5 assists.
Maybe a bit harsh, but he's a player that we'd moved on from, yet have had to bring back and rely on quite heavily due to our situation.
but you've got the timeline wrong. He was back in the mix and playing before Sancho and Elliott even joined so we didn't 'bring him back' because they were shit.
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But he got more game-time because they didn't (or weren't allowed to) perform.
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Don’t know if this has been discussed already, but David Ornstein is reporting that we’re looking at James Trafford as a potential replacement for Emi if he leaves this summer.
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Is he good enough? Never seems that commanding.
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Trafford is decent but he’d still cost upwards of £25m I reckon and is far from the finished article, so we’d need to be patient while he develops but could be our keeper for a good chunk of time. Or do we buy, most likely from Europe, someone who is a bit more experienced and polished.
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But he got more game-time because they didn't (or weren't allowed to) perform.
Maybe, or maybe he just played well in games before htey arrived or when they were still finding their feet and didn't deserve to be dropped. It just feels like a strange argument to use when Buendia has had a big impact for us this season.
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I think Trafford is great.
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If we ever did buy Trafford, we'd need to move him on while he's still young, the commentators/pundits would have a field day....
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The previous names we were mentioned for replacing Martinez.
Chevalier supposedly struggling at PSG.
Garcia did an Enkelmen the other day against Atletico.
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I think it would make sense, Trafford is obviously going to move on from there as he can’t be deputy to Donnaruma beyond the summer. Be very surprised is Emi is here next season, felt like it was as much the club as Emi himself wanting to part ways last summer.
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I can imagine should Man City decide to sell him they'll want a buy back clause. Ideally Trafford would have to refuse to it. I certainly don't want him here on an expensive loan deal which is pretty much what it would be. He's always impressed me from the England youth levels he's played and his time at Burnley especially last season he played a massive part in them winning the Championship and being promoted.
Replacing Emi isn't really possible but the next best thing is where we need to be shopping. Having a top quality keeper is essential, we just have to find the right one for us. Trafford certainly falls into that category but he won't be cheap but could be a great investment.
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I can imagine should Man City decide to sell him they'll want a buy back clause. Ideally Trafford would have to refuse to it. I certainly don't want him here on an expensive loan deal which is pretty much what it would be. He's always impressed me from the England youth levels he's played and his time at Burnley especially last season he played a massive part in them winning the Championship and being promoted.
Replacing Emi isn't really possible but the next best thing is where we need to be shopping. Having a top quality keeper is essential, we just have to find the right one for us. Trafford certainly falls into that category but he won't be cheap but could be a great investment.
I remember him in one of the Euro's being very tidy with the ball at his feet which is going to be a big factor in whoever we bring in.
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Yeah he looks a good footballer, I do wonder if, given the fashion for crowding the keeper at set pieces, he's physically big enough, at least for now.
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Yeah he looks a good footballer, I do wonder if, given the fashion for crowding the keeper at set pieces, he's physically big enough, at least for now.
The same concerns were being shared about Kelleher last summer. Brentford to be fair do have stronger centre backs in the air that us but a keeper that's a good shot stopper and can distribute the ball well ticks a couple of important boxes. If he has the crazy gene that seeks to assault opposition forwards near the half way line then we have a winner.
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Yeah he looks a good footballer, I do wonder if, given the fashion for crowding the keeper at set pieces, he's physically big enough, at least for now.
He's 6ft 6. Stick him in the gym for the summer and he'll be fine.
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I also think they’ll come up with some new interpretations of the rules to make the current lineout tactics less viable, so a normal size keeper should be fine.
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They won't be changing any rules that benefit Scab League teams. If Burnley had scored half the goals Arsenal have scored this season, they'd have fast-tracked a rule change by the end of August.
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Yeah, I thought that whilst typing it.
Maybe the fact that it’s easy to replicate, and cheaply, will result in it becoming less popular with the minted teams. THEN, the laws will change.
I just feel it’s so anti-football - particularly the type that attracts sponsors etc - that it will disappear.
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Yeah, I agree. I think there has to be a swing back the other way coming.
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I hope you're right. Nothing wrong with being good at set pieces but there is no reason whatsoever why teams (especially Arsenal) should be allowed to get away with grabbing and pushing opponents from literally every corner. Just give a free kick against them every time and it will soon stop.
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I hope you're right. Nothing wrong with being good at set pieces but there is no reason whatsoever why teams (especially Arsenal) should be allowed to get away with grabbing and pushing opponents from literally every corner. Just give a free kick against them every time and it will soon stop.
Yep. It's been ridiculous.
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Referees get a grip.
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The previous names we were mentioned for replacing Martinez.
Chevalier supposedly struggling at PSG.
Garcia did an Enkelmen the other day against Atletico.
Chevalier no longer first pick at PSG. The mood music at the club is of the kind that goalkeepers do not recover from easily.
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There was a game recently where they were commenting on how bad the PSG keeper was - possibly against the Geordies. Not sure if it was him though.
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It was the Russian backup that they have promoted ahead of Chevalier.
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22 games gone and Lens are top of Ligue 1 having just beaten Paris FC 5-0 (oops not PSG). Who is orchestrating this madness / who should we be looking to sign?
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You
have (edit:) had mixed up the Paris teams. It was Paris FC who lost 5-0, although PSG lost to Rennes 3-1 the weekend.
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Paris FC and PSG are even closer to each other than Dundee and Dundee United.
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And they both wear the same colour, the weirdos.