Post by: Smirker on December 14, 2024, 07:34:38 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 14, 2024, 07:35:12 PM
Post by: kipeye on December 14, 2024, 07:35:32 PM
Post by: villadelph on December 14, 2024, 07:35:44 PM
Still stunned, didn’t really deserve to lose that. We’ve got to spend on some proper players come January.
Post by: Villan82 on December 14, 2024, 07:36:11 PM
Post by: RichardBatchelor on December 14, 2024, 07:36:32 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on December 14, 2024, 07:36:34 PM
Post by: usav on December 14, 2024, 07:36:51 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 14, 2024, 07:36:58 PM
We lacked leadership, energy and control.
We were a shambles after we scored.
Totally bottled it.
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 14, 2024, 07:37:07 PM
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on December 14, 2024, 07:37:32 PM
Post by: Risso on December 14, 2024, 07:37:48 PM
Post by: supertom on December 14, 2024, 07:37:55 PM
There were 2-3 challenges just before the one on Cash prior to their winner. Every time we just let Forest carry on hoping the ref would blow. He didn't.
Stop trying to fucking cheat and play the game.
Yes the Rogers penalty incident was arguably a foul but he could easily have kept on his feet and got a cross in. No, he falls to the ground and Forest retrieve it.
Really frustrating way to lose a game that we'd taken control in with the goal.
That's my biggest bugbear about todays game. It's one of the most annoying things we continue to do every single game too. Are other teams this bad? Because we don't tend to see the opponents doing this anywhere near as much as we do.
Post by: KevinGage on December 14, 2024, 07:38:05 PM
Got what we deserved, really.
Forest looked a bit flat for the first 70 mins or so.
But they found - like so many teams before them - that if they applied any pressure at all we'd wilt. Business as usual.
Last season we found ways to win in tight games.
This season we're finding new and interesting ways to throw them.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2024, 07:38:14 PM
One thing we have really lost is the ability to read a game. When we conceded we should never have been losing that game - spoil, get on the ball, whatever just stop their momentum. And then when we did concede there was absolutely zero intensity when chasing it. Really poor.
Post by: manic-road on December 14, 2024, 07:38:25 PM
Cash has to be stronger on that second Forest goal.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 14, 2024, 07:38:38 PM
Post by: Smirker on December 14, 2024, 07:38:59 PM
Could be 5 after tomorrow, but I still think we can qualify for the CL.
Badly need to sort the defence out though.
Post by: CT Villan on December 14, 2024, 07:39:17 PM
That said, we were not good enough after we scored.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 14, 2024, 07:39:34 PM
Shit defending, as per fucking usual. Maybe Emery will actually do something about it at some point. Twats.The first thing would be at 1 0, make them more compact, the subs should have been there to get control but we lack backbone.
Post by: VillaTim on December 14, 2024, 07:39:45 PM
Konsa isn't a RB
Cash isn't a midfielder.
Square pegs in round holes .
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 14, 2024, 07:40:28 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2024, 07:41:03 PM
Post by: andyh on December 14, 2024, 07:41:13 PM
We have left sided defenders coming out of our arse, but for some reason they don’t to give a fuck about the right side.
Post by: Risso on December 14, 2024, 07:41:38 PM
Post by: dorsetvillian on December 14, 2024, 07:41:49 PM
Post by: Matt C on December 14, 2024, 07:42:06 PM
Post by: villadelph on December 14, 2024, 07:42:16 PM
Emery completely outdone by Nuno.
ha, no.
Post by: ROBBO on December 14, 2024, 07:42:22 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on December 14, 2024, 07:42:28 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 14, 2024, 07:42:57 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 14, 2024, 07:42:58 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 14, 2024, 07:43:37 PM
Emery completely outdone by Nuno.
ha, no.
Err yes, our subs killed it, theirs won it.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 14, 2024, 07:43:57 PM
saturday night ruined and tomorrow and this week . . Mings might have made a difference but surely we can see that game out , why do we keeping doing it.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on December 14, 2024, 07:44:03 PM
In control at 1-0. Forest offering nothing and then we went to pieces. The players can't do the simple things at the back to control a game with 5 minutes to go. How many chances did we have to clear our lines before the winner, at least 3 or 4. That period of play sums up our season. Gutted...In a nutshell.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on December 14, 2024, 07:44:14 PM
Three points thrown away, we controlled most of the game and once we went ahead some players folded as soon as the first bit of pressure was applied by Forest.
Cash has to be stronger on that second Forest goal.
He was pushed over.
Post by: The Edge on December 14, 2024, 07:44:19 PM
The centre of defence is a shambles .It's not just about the defence though. We have the ball on the edge of their box and Watkins has a simple pass on for Barkley. He completely messed it up. That was followed by another four times when we got the ball back only to give it away every time. Cash was involved in three of them. But the clear foul on Cash was the clincher.
Konsa isn't a RB
Cash isn't a midfielder.
Square pegs in round holes .
Post by: WRVilla on December 14, 2024, 07:44:19 PM
We spurn way too many chances and if we keep conceding 2 goals a game we’ll finish the season behind the likes of Forest who aren’t a particularly talented team - they just try harder than us and that I just can’t accept.
Post by: Villafirst on December 14, 2024, 07:44:30 PM
Post by: villadelph on December 14, 2024, 07:44:31 PM
Emery completely outdone by Nuno.
ha, no.
Err yes.
That failure came from between the lines.
Post by: dorsetvillian on December 14, 2024, 07:45:14 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2024, 07:45:38 PM
Post by: RichardBatchelor on December 14, 2024, 07:45:44 PM
We really need to stop dropping to the ground at every challenge and waiting for the whistle. Every single fucking game. All game today. Play to the whistle. Keep after the ball.
There were 2-3 challenges just before the one on Cash prior to their winner. Every time we just let Forest carry on hoping the ref would blow. He didn't.
Stop trying to fucking cheat and play the game.
Yes the Rogers penalty incident was arguably a foul but he could easily have kept on his feet and got a cross in. No, he falls to the ground and Forest retrieve it.
Really frustrating way to lose a game that we'd taken control in with the goal.
That's my biggest bugbear about todays game. It's one of the most annoying things we continue to do every single game too. Are other teams this bad? Because we don't tend to see the opponents doing this anywhere near as much as we do.
Rogers fell to the ground because he was pulled over. He can’t defy the laws of physics. It was outside the box initially but should have been a free kick to us. The ref let them get away with everything.
Post by: taylorsworkrate on December 14, 2024, 07:46:21 PM
Yes, Cash was fouled in the build up for their winner. Yes, the ref was bad all game but this is all getting a bit repetitive and predictable now.
We spurn way too many chances and if we keep conceding 2 goals a game we’ll finish the season behind the likes of Forest who aren’t a particularly talented team - they just try harder than us and that I just can’t accept.
Never a foul in a million years
Post by: RichardBatchelor on December 14, 2024, 07:47:46 PM
Cash was pushed over. Watch it again if you can. Blatant.Yes, Cash was fouled in the build up for their winner. Yes, the ref was bad all game but this is all getting a bit repetitive and predictable now.
We spurn way too many chances and if we keep conceding 2 goals a game we’ll finish the season behind the likes of Forest who aren’t a particularly talented team - they just try harder than us and that I just can’t accept.
Never a foul in a million years
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 14, 2024, 07:47:47 PM
The centre of defence is a shambles .It's not just about the defence though. We have the ball on the edge of their box and Watkins has a simple pass on for Barkley. He completely messed it up. That was followed by another four times when we got the ball back only to give it away every time. Cash was involved in three of them. But the clear foul on Cash was the clincher.
Konsa isn't a RB
Cash isn't a midfielder.
Square pegs in round holes .
glad you saw it too , Edge ..
Post by: andyh on December 14, 2024, 07:47:52 PM
We have the ability to be patient, force errors in the opposition and then steal the ball back, either by a lose ball, a ‘nicked’ interception or a tackle.
But then invariably, after the hard work has been done in getting the ball back, we so often fuck up,the second phase and mis-control, get tackled or make a sloppy pass and give them the ball straight back.
It happens so so often,.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 14, 2024, 07:47:54 PM
Bit of an odd decision to take off Kamara in injury time as he would've tracked Elanga's run I'm sure.
Should've had a penalty first half and Wood was miles offside for the corner they scored from as Pau had to head clear from his presence, that is such a frustrating interpretation of the rule.
It's a missed opportunity. A win tonight would've put us into a very good position going into the Xmas games.
Forest are up there on merit and have similar profile to take Wolves team under Nuno.
Post by: dorsetvillian on December 14, 2024, 07:48:12 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on December 14, 2024, 07:48:46 PM
We're still only 3 pts off top 4.No chance. I like you optimism though.
Could be 5 after tomorrow, but I still think we can qualify for the CL.
Badly need to sort the defence out though.
Post by: Small Rodent on December 14, 2024, 07:48:58 PM
When Forest equalised I put £10 on them winning and won a further £70.
I only bet once a month on payday don’t was nice.
1-1 would have reflected the table more.
2-1 reflected our fragile defence.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 14, 2024, 07:49:57 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2024, 07:50:33 PM
Post by: The Edge on December 14, 2024, 07:50:53 PM
Is this sarcasm?Yes, Cash was fouled in the build up for their winner. Yes, the ref was bad all game but this is all getting a bit repetitive and predictable now.
We spurn way too many chances and if we keep conceding 2 goals a game we’ll finish the season behind the likes of Forest who aren’t a particularly talented team - they just try harder than us and that I just can’t accept.
Never a foul in a million years
Post by: pelty on December 14, 2024, 07:51:58 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 14, 2024, 07:52:13 PM
Even before that I think it's Carlos launching the ball when we really should be keeping hold of itThe centre of defence is a shambles .It's not just about the defence though. We have the ball on the edge of their box and Watkins has a simple pass on for Barkley. He completely messed it up. That was followed by another four times when we got the ball back only to give it away every time. Cash was involved in three of them. But the clear foul on Cash was the clincher.
Konsa isn't a RB
Cash isn't a midfielder.
Square pegs in round holes .
Post by: Rudy65 on December 14, 2024, 07:52:21 PM
He fell over to win a pen when it was easier to continue. He should have kept goingWe really need to stop dropping to the ground at every challenge and waiting for the whistle. Every single fucking game. All game today. Play to the whistle. Keep after the ball.
There were 2-3 challenges just before the one on Cash prior to their winner. Every time we just let Forest carry on hoping the ref would blow. He didn't.
Stop trying to fucking cheat and play the game.
Yes the Rogers penalty incident was arguably a foul but he could easily have kept on his feet and got a cross in. No, he falls to the ground and Forest retrieve it.
Really frustrating way to lose a game that we'd taken control in with the goal.
That's my biggest bugbear about todays game. It's one of the most annoying things we continue to do every single game too. Are other teams this bad? Because we don't tend to see the opponents doing this anywhere near as much as we do.
Rogers fell to the ground because he was pulled over. He can’t defy the laws of physics. It was outside the box initially but should have been a free kick to us. The ref let them get away with everything.
Post by: PhilVill on December 14, 2024, 07:52:27 PM
Post by: taylorsworkrate on December 14, 2024, 07:52:37 PM
Cash was pushed over. Watch it again if you can. Blatant.Yes, Cash was fouled in the build up for their winner. Yes, the ref was bad all game but this is all getting a bit repetitive and predictable now.
We spurn way too many chances and if we keep conceding 2 goals a game we’ll finish the season behind the likes of Forest who aren’t a particularly talented team - they just try harder than us and that I just can’t accept.
Never a foul in a million years
Absolutely not. Cash embarrassed himself twice in the space of 30 seconds
Post by: ozzjim on December 14, 2024, 07:53:03 PM
2. It was a clear fucking foul on Cash.
Now that's out the way ...
Carlos is the most brainless footballer I've had the misfortune to watch. Blokes a fucking useless lump and needs to go, anywhere that will have him..
Cash should have been subbed on 80, he couldn't run.
We were clueless after we scored, and got bang on what we deserved. Fine the lot and give it to the homeless for Christmas, because that bunch of bottle jobs don't deserve it.
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 14, 2024, 07:53:30 PM
We fold far too easily, far too often. That’s on Emery and it needs sorting.
Post by: Ian. on December 14, 2024, 07:54:12 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 14, 2024, 07:54:27 PM
We're still only 3 pts off top 4.
Could be 5 after tomorrow, but I still think we can qualify for the CL.
Badly need to sort the defence out though.
While we're at it can we also sort out the midfield as they're no where near the standards of last season. Knackered after a midweek game? Don't bloody play them. Tielemans may as well not have been on the pitch and second half you could see McGinn's batteries collapsing as he started going around and around in bloody circles.
Sort it out, Unai!
As for our attack it's praying for a moment of magic or trying to win a penalty.
Post by: KevinGage on December 14, 2024, 07:54:37 PM
Despite playing so so in the league.
Repeat that in the second half of the campaign and 4th/5th is in sight.
Yes we're still 6th tonight.
But I don't see a side with as many shortcomings as we possess operating towards the top end of the table in April/May.
Post by: geolex on December 14, 2024, 07:54:51 PM
Pity Mings pulled out with illness before the start. If he'd have played we would've been far stronger defensively. He's a leader and can organise the defence.
He didn't play at all last season and we finished fourth, it goes deeper than that
Post by: Rudy65 on December 14, 2024, 07:55:06 PM
I have no idea why Konsa just didnt welly it up the pitch instead of putting cash under more pressure he needed . We just love giving them the ball back in dangerous areas.Completely agree. You’re under pressure in the last minute so just boot it clear. Madness
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2024, 07:56:24 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on December 14, 2024, 07:57:58 PM
Personally I thought they were very good, they kept the ball well, very physical and direct. At times we were ok, but we seem to lack ideas going forward. They are a very good side this season and have impressed me numerous times.The difference was they had width that delivered via Hudson Odoi and Elanga. We had Cash who didn’t
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 14, 2024, 07:58:43 PM
We were so poor. Deserved to lose it. We were really passive throughout. Think we went there with a draw in mind.
We fold far too easily, far too often. That’s on Emery and it needs sorting.
We have got no energy whatsoever when we are attacking, we are pedestrian and over-complicated. We try to play like a low quality Man City tribute act. It's just so predictable.
We have a collective heart the size of a pea, we are so easy to score against, it's untrue. Teams know if they push hard enough, they'll score against us.
The defence is a shambles and has been for months now. We've just about got away with it in the league - where there are almost no teams capable of any sort of consistency - so we are fortunate on that front, and in the Champions League we have done OK and largely seem to be buying ourselves time, but we have a few really significant problems, and Unai has got to solve them, and quickly.
I've had enough of the utter circus show which is right back, for example. I just don't get it, left back is seen as the most important thing of all but right back, well, it's a teenager or Matty fucking Cash.
it's just not on, and needs to get sorted in January, and at the start of it, not the last day.
Post by: Taylor on December 14, 2024, 07:58:52 PM
Emery completely outdone by Nuno.Ridiculous statement.
Post by: dorsetvillian on December 14, 2024, 07:59:09 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 14, 2024, 07:59:15 PM
the worst in the top 13 .
Shambolic .
Post by: pelty on December 14, 2024, 07:59:36 PM
Personally I thought they were very good, they kept the ball well, very physical and direct. At times we were ok, but we seem to lack ideas going forward. They are a very good side this season and have impressed me numerous times.
Not sure what you were watching. Forest looked like rubbish. Possession, sure, but little else.
Post by: Rudy65 on December 14, 2024, 07:59:58 PM
Win that tonight and pinch another win before the turn of the year and you'd be looking at nine wins by the halfway stage.I predicted 8th at the start of the season and stand by that. Too many shortcomings in defence and no width going forward
Despite playing so so in the league.
Repeat that in the second half of the campaign and 4th/5th is in sight.
Yes we're still 6th tonight.
But I don't see a side with as many shortcomings as we possess operating towards the top end of the table in April/May.
Post by: Martyn Smith on December 14, 2024, 08:00:19 PM
Post by: devilla on December 14, 2024, 08:00:30 PM
Disappointing but Kamara was outstanding again.
Yes he certainly was so I'm baffled as to why he was subbed for Barkley on 90 minutes. If you can't win it don't lose it and I think if he'd still been on we probably wouldn't have lost that.
Their second stemmed from a long ball from Konsa I think into their half when there was a pass that would've kept possession. We lose it and they go on to score. It's brainless defending and it has to stop.
Post by: olaftab on December 14, 2024, 08:02:05 PM
Post by: Ian. on December 14, 2024, 08:02:29 PM
Personally I thought they were very good, they kept the ball well, very physical and direct. At times we were ok, but we seem to lack ideas going forward. They are a very good side this season and have impressed me numerous times.
Not sure what you were watching. Forest looked like rubbish. Possession, sure, but little else.
Wood was a threat, also two stunning saves from Emi. I thought they were very good, always played with intent, where I thought we played too conservative.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2024, 08:02:43 PM
We were so poor. Deserved to lose it. We were really passive throughout. Think we went there with a draw in mind.
We fold far too easily, far too often. That’s on Emery and it needs sorting.
We have got no energy whatsoever when we are attacking, we are pedestrian and over-complicated. We try to play like a low quality Man City tribute act. It's just so predictable.
We have a collective heart the size of a pea, we are so easy to score against, it's untrue. Teams know if they push hard enough, they'll score against us.
The defence is a shambles and has been for months now. We've just about got away with it in the league - where there are almost no teams capable of any sort of consistency - so we are fortunate on that front, and in the Champions League we have done OK and largely seem to be buying ourselves time, but we have a few really significant problems, and Unai has got to solve them, and quickly.
I've had enough of the utter circus show which is right back, for example. I just don't get it, left back is seen as the most important thing of all but right back, well, it's a teenager or Matty fucking Cash.
it's just not on, and needs to get sorted in January, and at the start of it, not the last day.
I think that attacking point is key. It’s not like we’re sacrificing defensive solidity to flood forward in attack, we’re pretty bloody poor at all aspects at the moment. We’re very flat.
Post by: VillaTim on December 14, 2024, 08:04:36 PM
Post by: KevinGage on December 14, 2024, 08:05:21 PM
Maybe they're watching Netfix on their phones when Emery is going through this detailed video analysis. Which has obv helped us so much defensively this year.
Post by: eamonn on December 14, 2024, 08:06:42 PM
Players are letting us down in the league. Simple as that. They are all weak at the knees for the champions league and can't get up for it in the league. Reminds me a bit of 1997-98 when we saved our best for Europe
You, or someone else, said this a few weeks ago. I don't think it's as straightforward as that. More that the PL is a more difficult competition until you get to the knock-outs in the CL.
Post by: Villafirst on December 14, 2024, 08:07:56 PM
Pity Mings pulled out with illness before the start. If he'd have played we would've been far stronger defensively. He's a leader and can organise the defence.
He didn't play at all last season and we finished fourth, it goes deeper than that
We lack that steel and leadership at the back. Stupid passing twice on the edge of our box. If only Konsa had've just whacked it down the wing to clear that led to the 2nd goal!
Post by: eamonn on December 14, 2024, 08:07:57 PM
Here’s the thing, Emery will probably say we were in control of the game and they didn’t pose much of a threat and he’s mostly right. However, we all knew this would probably happen and the fact that it does and it’s all so predictable and we can’t change it is the most frustrating part.
Yep, wanged on about how brilliant we controlled things for 70 minutes. I wish he gave his interviews in Spanish. I hate listening to his bad grammar when we lose.
Post by: Risso on December 14, 2024, 08:08:12 PM
Players are letting us down in the league. Simple as that. They are all weak at the knees for the champions league and can't get up for it in the league. Reminds me a bit of 1997-98 when we saved our best for Europe
You, or someone else, said this a few weeks ago. I don't think it's as straightforward as that. More that the PL is a more difficult competition until you get to the knock-outs in the CL.
That was me I think. Because of the league format in the CL, teams don't have to go full bore every game. That isn't true in the PL.
Post by: Exeter 77 on December 14, 2024, 08:08:54 PM
Post by: eamonn on December 14, 2024, 08:10:00 PM
We're still only 3 pts off top 4.
Could be 5 after tomorrow, but I still think we can qualify for the CL.
Badly need to sort the defence out though.
Man City next. We know how accommodating we are at ending bad runs. And then Brighton who are as Jekyll & Hyde as us.
Post by: Risso on December 14, 2024, 08:10:01 PM
Emery completely outdone by Nuno.Ridiculous statement.
One manager made subs that changed the game, the other made subs that made us worse. How ridiculous.
Post by: Risso on December 14, 2024, 08:10:36 PM
I hate it, absolutely hate it when this happens. It’s going to be a miserable week till Saturday.
You think us playing Man City is going to put a smile back on your face?
Post by: LukeJames on December 14, 2024, 08:11:08 PM
Post by: villadelph on December 14, 2024, 08:11:14 PM
Emery completely outdone by Nuno.Ridiculous statement.
One manager made subs that changed the game, the other made subs that made us worse. How ridiculous.
He brought on Onana, Watkins and Maatsen.. how could anybody complain about that at the time?
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on December 14, 2024, 08:12:34 PM
Post by: BC54 VFC on December 14, 2024, 08:13:43 PM
We really need to stop dropping to the ground at every challenge and waiting for the whistle. Every single fucking game. All game today. Play to the whistle. Keep after the ball.Well said. Some of our players need to grow some balls and play like men, rather than little nancy boys.
There were 2-3 challenges just before the one on Cash prior to their winner. Every time we just let Forest carry on hoping the ref would blow. He didn't.
Stop trying to fucking cheat and play the game.
Yes the Rogers penalty incident was arguably a foul but he could easily have kept on his feet and got a cross in. No, he falls to the ground and Forest retrieve it.
Really frustrating way to lose a game that we'd taken control in with the goal.
That's my biggest bugbear about todays game. It's one of the most annoying things we continue to do every single game too. Are other teams this bad? Because we don't tend to see the opponents doing this anywhere near as much as we do.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 14, 2024, 08:13:49 PM
Even before that I think it's Carlos launching the ball when we really should be keeping hold of itThe centre of defence is a shambles .It's not just about the defence though. We have the ball on the edge of their box and Watkins has a simple pass on for Barkley. He completely messed it up. That was followed by another four times when we got the ball back only to give it away every time. Cash was involved in three of them. But the clear foul on Cash was the clincher.
Konsa isn't a RB
Cash isn't a midfielder.
Square pegs in round holes .
That was for their disallowed one. I said it was Carlos’ fault to the babby before we got away with it. But this is the dilemma. People say ‘just clear your lines’, but that was what he did there and the next minute they’re scoring. We also did fifteen minutes of just clearing our lines before that late Bournemouth equaliser.
The winner was all Cash though. Fucked up 3 times in the build up. Actually that’s unfair, the last one was a foul rather than a fuck up.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 14, 2024, 08:14:15 PM
No that’s just it, the league position is ok. But no one watching us, particularly tonight, can look at that and think we’re a side who’s going to compete at the top. We need to improve a lot at both ends of the pitch.
It was always going to be a big ask with combining CL especially with two extra games.
Do people think Newcastle just dropped off last season because Howe is a terrible manager?
Last season going 1-0 up in this type of game we either see it out or get a second and control things from there.
This season we had a tough midweek away game and at 1-0 it was certainly a mentality of conserve energy and try to get the 1-0 just holding positions behind the ball.
I do think we could've made the second double sub change earlier, good time to do it would've been after their goal was disallowed.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on December 14, 2024, 08:14:54 PM
We're still only 3 pts off top 4.
Could be 5 after tomorrow, but I still think we can qualify for the CL.
Badly need to sort the defence out though.
Man City next. We know how accommodating we are at ending bad runs. And then Brighton who are as Jekyll & Hyde as us.
It’s okay though.
Unai Emery is on the right track and success is never a straight line. I’m beginning to suspect that this season will be preparation for the future, with some big night such as Bayern and Leipzig thrown in.
Post by: BC54 VFC on December 14, 2024, 08:15:05 PM
could he of staggard the subs more to run down the clock?Oh deer ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: eamonn on December 14, 2024, 08:15:20 PM
Post by: paul_e on December 14, 2024, 08:15:34 PM
We really need to stop dropping to the ground at every challenge and waiting for the whistle. Every single fucking game. All game today. Play to the whistle. Keep after the ball.Well said. Some of our players need to grow some balls and play like men, rather than little nancy boys.
There were 2-3 challenges just before the one on Cash prior to their winner. Every time we just let Forest carry on hoping the ref would blow. He didn't.
Stop trying to fucking cheat and play the game.
Yes the Rogers penalty incident was arguably a foul but he could easily have kept on his feet and got a cross in. No, he falls to the ground and Forest retrieve it.
Really frustrating way to lose a game that we'd taken control in with the goal.
That's my biggest bugbear about todays game. It's one of the most annoying things we continue to do every single game too. Are other teams this bad? Because we don't tend to see the opponents doing this anywhere near as much as we do.
Fuck right off with that bullshit.
Post by: adrenachrome on December 14, 2024, 08:16:11 PM
Cash was pushed over. Watch it again if you can. Blatant.Yes, Cash was fouled in the build up for their winner. Yes, the ref was bad all game but this is all getting a bit repetitive and predictable now.
We spurn way too many chances and if we keep conceding 2 goals a game we’ll finish the season behind the likes of Forest who aren’t a particularly talented team - they just try harder than us and that I just can’t accept.
Never a foul in a million years
Absolutely not. Cash embarrassed himself twice in the space of 30 seconds
Yep. The first incident probably determined the ref's decision on the second.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 14, 2024, 08:16:26 PM
We really need to stop dropping to the ground at every challenge and waiting for the whistle. Every single fucking game. All game today. Play to the whistle. Keep after the ball.Well said. Some of our players need to grow some balls and play like men, rather than little nancy boys.
There were 2-3 challenges just before the one on Cash prior to their winner. Every time we just let Forest carry on hoping the ref would blow. He didn't.
Stop trying to fucking cheat and play the game.
Yes the Rogers penalty incident was arguably a foul but he could easily have kept on his feet and got a cross in. No, he falls to the ground and Forest retrieve it.
Really frustrating way to lose a game that we'd taken control in with the goal.
That's my biggest bugbear about todays game. It's one of the most annoying things we continue to do every single game too. Are other teams this bad? Because we don't tend to see the opponents doing this anywhere near as much as we do.
66 years old? Maybe show some maturity.
Post by: brontebilly on December 14, 2024, 08:17:07 PM
Here’s the thing, Emery will probably say we were in control of the game and they didn’t pose much of a threat and he’s mostly right. However, we all knew this would probably happen and the fact that it does and it’s all so predictable and we can’t change it is the most frustrating part.
We couldn't defend our box when they finally put a bit of pressure on. Martinez miracle save, the VAR shout...we crumbled again late on at the back like we did during the week.
I thought Emery had a nightmare on the line too. Cash and Digne were out on their feet and should have been replaced early in the second half, earlier in the case of Digne. Rogers also should have been hooked. It's a sickener as we played our best football for a spell after going 1-0 up.
Martinez 8 - will be sick as both goals went through him, granted both from a couple of yards out so would have been miracle saves. Unbelievable save obviously but I also thought he was a lot more decisive around the box tonight.
Konsa 5 - did ok defensively against CHO I guess but Cuellar-esque on the ball. Painful to watch. A share of blame in the circus at end.
Carlos 6 - an easy night until late on
Torres 5 - average with the ball again, made one fine headed clearance but pathetic for first goal
Digne 6 - very good for first 60 mins or so but visibly tired and under pressure as soon as Elanga came on
Kamara 7 - very good in the main, especially as he had to play by himself in midfield until Onana came in, but lost his man for first goal
Tielemans 3 - a ghost, fortunate not to be hooked at the break, offered absolutely nothing
Cash 5 - lots of energy but very little quality. Visibly tired and shouldnt have been still on the pitch for the mess at end. Was a foul though.
McGinn 8 - outstanding second half, a warrior tonight when very few stood up. Quality assist
Rogers 5 - extra point for run for goal but lost the ball far too often and again asleep at back post for the miracle save by Martinez
Duran 7 - bit of a ghost until a goal of outstanding quality
Watkins and Onana were decent I thought. Maatsen lost Elanga for the winner. Barkley was tidy. Emery should have had 5 subs on inside 75 mins.
Post by: paul_e on December 14, 2024, 08:17:55 PM
Cash was pushed over. Watch it again if you can. Blatant.Yes, Cash was fouled in the build up for their winner. Yes, the ref was bad all game but this is all getting a bit repetitive and predictable now.
We spurn way too many chances and if we keep conceding 2 goals a game we’ll finish the season behind the likes of Forest who aren’t a particularly talented team - they just try harder than us and that I just can’t accept.
Never a foul in a million years
Absolutely not. Cash embarrassed himself twice in the space of 30 seconds
Yep. The first incident probably determined the ref's decision on the second.
It was absolutely a foul, whether he got something on the ball or not he only got near it by clattering into the back of Cash.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 14, 2024, 08:19:15 PM
Disappointing but Kamara was outstanding again.
Yes he certainly was so I'm baffled as to why he was subbed for Barkley on 90 minutes. If you can't win it don't lose it and I think if he'd still been on we probably wouldn't have lost that.
Their second stemmed from a long ball from Konsa I think into their half when there was a pass that would've kept possession. We lose it and they go on to score. It's brainless defending and it has to stop.
It seems that a lot of fans don’t notice things like that.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 14, 2024, 08:19:49 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on December 14, 2024, 08:19:55 PM
Personally I thought they were very good, they kept the ball well, very physical and direct. At times we were ok, but we seem to lack ideas going forward. They are a very good side this season and have impressed me numerous times.
Not sure what you were watching. Forest looked like rubbish. Possession, sure, but little else.
This is a garbage statement, forest played pretty well, good in wide areas and put us under a decent amount of pressure.
If you think they're rubbish then we must be fucking league 2
Post by: Goldie.7 on December 14, 2024, 08:20:49 PM
Only consolation is I won £90 on Duran scoring, booked, 3 shots and Cash 1 shot.
When Forest equalised I put £10 on them winning and won a further £70.
Good stuff. I had Duran to score or get booked, Cash SOT with McGinn to win 2 fouls. Nice little £34 from a freebie.
I had a few others as well but the referee was Coote's level corrupt so it is what it is.
I'm only interested in football these days to make money and that's it. That non-penalty decision mixed with an entire 90+ minutes of the worst officiating I've seen is why.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 14, 2024, 08:20:59 PM
Emery completely outdone by Nuno.
We absolutely weren’t. We were outdone by ourselves. We were outdone by our shit decision making, we were undone by VAR, again. Why we brought off Kamara I’ll never know? absolutely ridiculous. He wasn’t knackered, we haven’t got a game mid week so there was no need when he was running the show. This is as much on Unai as our players. With Mings there we win that easily. He commands the area. Our back three/four can barely head the ball. 3 points frittered away. Wankers!
Post by: ez on December 14, 2024, 08:21:11 PM
We need to ditch the walking football.
Post by: cheadlevilla on December 14, 2024, 08:21:21 PM
Post by: brontebilly on December 14, 2024, 08:22:20 PM
Forest won it doesn't mean it was a Nuno master class.
They were horribly conservative I thought until we scored. Brought on likes of Elanga and finally had a go at our flimsy defence.
Post by: Ian. on December 14, 2024, 08:22:38 PM
We didn't create anywhere near enough today chances wise.
If we’d have had the same intent as in the week we’d of had a chance. I wonder if these mid-week games are a step too far for us at the moment? Not quite the squad depth in terms of quality for where we are.
Post by: Rudy65 on December 14, 2024, 08:24:10 PM
We were in Europe last season. We’re now a worse teamNo that’s just it, the league position is ok. But no one watching us, particularly tonight, can look at that and think we’re a side who’s going to compete at the top. We need to improve a lot at both ends of the pitch.
It was always going to be a big ask with combining CL especially with two extra games.
Do people think Newcastle just dropped off last season because Howe is a terrible manager?
Last season going 1-0 up in this type of game we either see it out or get a second and control things from there.
This season we had a tough midweek away game and at 1-0 it was certainly a mentality of conserve energy and try to get the 1-0 just holding positions behind the ball.
I do think we could've made the second double sub change earlier, good time to do it would've been after their goal was disallowed.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 14, 2024, 08:24:16 PM
Forest won it doesn't mean it was a Nuno master class.
They were horribly conservative I thought until we scored. Brought on likes of Elanga and finally had a go at our flimsy defence.
However shit they were or were not, they had enough to take three points off us.
Post by: Rudy65 on December 14, 2024, 08:25:49 PM
they only woke up after we scoredPersonally I thought they were very good, they kept the ball well, very physical and direct. At times we were ok, but we seem to lack ideas going forward. They are a very good side this season and have impressed me numerous times.
Not sure what you were watching. Forest looked like rubbish. Possession, sure, but little else.
This is a garbage statement, forest played pretty well, good in wide areas and put us under a decent amount of pressure.
If you think they're rubbish then we must be fucking league 2
Post by: Risso on December 14, 2024, 08:27:23 PM
We didn't create anywhere near enough today chances wise.
If we’d have had the same intent as in the week we’d of had a chance. I wonder if these mid-week games are a step too far for us at the moment? Not quite the squad depth in terms of quality for where we are.
There were three players in Barkley, Onana and Maatsen who could have started if players were tired.
Post by: villadelph on December 14, 2024, 08:29:19 PM
We didn't create anywhere near enough today chances wise.
If we’d have had the same intent as in the week we’d of had a chance. I wonder if these mid-week games are a step too far for us at the moment? Not quite the squad depth in terms of quality for where we are.
There were three players in Barkley, Onana and Maatsen who could have started if players were tired.
You just said that they lost us the game..?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 14, 2024, 08:29:41 PM
We didn't create anywhere near enough today chances wise.
If we’d have had the same intent as in the week we’d of had a chance. I wonder if these mid-week games are a step too far for us at the moment? Not quite the squad depth in terms of quality for where we are.
There were three players in Barkley, Onana and Maatsen who could have started if players were tired.
The tired argument only really has any traction if you think it would have been any different if we hadn't played in mid-week. It wouldn't.
Talking of midweek, we managed to concede two goals - one a clear defensive brainfart, yet again - against a truly shite Leipzig team who are the whipping boys of the competition, and needed a massive deflection to get out of jail.
Yes, I know we largely played well in that match, but like today, it matters for absolutely fucking nothing if you're going to have yet another defensive mental breakdown and spunk away goals.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 14, 2024, 08:29:52 PM
Ill happily replace the lot of them come the summer.
Can someone please bring back the team of 2023 to replace this Blues one of 2024 that cant defend to save their lives please?
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 14, 2024, 08:30:05 PM
We were in Europe last season. We’re now a worse teamNo that’s just it, the league position is ok. But no one watching us, particularly tonight, can look at that and think we’re a side who’s going to compete at the top. We need to improve a lot at both ends of the pitch.
It was always going to be a big ask with combining CL especially with two extra games.
Do people think Newcastle just dropped off last season because Howe is a terrible manager?
Last season going 1-0 up in this type of game we either see it out or get a second and control things from there.
This season we had a tough midweek away game and at 1-0 it was certainly a mentality of conserve energy and try to get the 1-0 just holding positions behind the ball.
I do think we could've made the second double sub change earlier, good time to do it would've been after their goal was disallowed.
Last season's European competition was more like a series of friendlies. This time we're playing with the big lads.
Post by: Clampy on December 14, 2024, 08:30:32 PM
Just seen the goals fuck me this defence us fucking embarrassment. If they had 9-5 jobs they would be sacked for being so shit.
Ill happily replace the lot of them come the summer.
Can someone please bring back the team of 2023 to replace this Blues one of 2024 that cant defend to save their lives please?
Oh dear.
Post by: Ian. on December 14, 2024, 08:32:07 PM
Just seen the goals fuck me this defence us fucking embarrassment. If they had 9-5 jobs they would be sacked for being so shit.
Ill happily replace the lot of them come the summer.
Can someone please bring back the team of 2023 to replace this Blues one of 2024 that cant defend to save their lives please?
Oh dear.
That’s ridiculously stupid. We’re doing fantastic in the Champions League and not bad in the league.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 14, 2024, 08:32:47 PM
Just seen the goals fuck me this defence us fucking embarrassment. If they had 9-5 jobs they would be sacked for being so shit.
Ill happily replace the lot of them come the summer.
Can someone please bring back the team of 2023 to replace this Blues one of 2024 that cant defend to save their lives please?
Oh dear.
That’s ridiculously stupid. We’re doing fantastic in the Champions League and not bad in the league.
He has a point about the can't defend part, though.
Post by: Risso on December 14, 2024, 08:33:10 PM
Post by: Clampy on December 14, 2024, 08:33:18 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 14, 2024, 08:34:26 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 14, 2024, 08:34:49 PM
Just seen the goals fuck me this defence us fucking embarrassment. If they had 9-5 jobs they would be sacked for being so shit.
Ill happily replace the lot of them come the summer.
Can someone please bring back the team of 2023 to replace this Blues one of 2024 that cant defend to save their lives please?
Oh dear.
That’s ridiculously stupid. We’re doing fantastic in the Champions League and not bad in the league.
Doing well in CLz- how we doing in league ian? Tell me how thats 'ridiculously stupid' ?
Also please present factually how we are defensively better this year than 2023?
Post by: Ian. on December 14, 2024, 08:37:46 PM
Post by: pelty on December 14, 2024, 08:38:03 PM
Personally I thought they were very good, they kept the ball well, very physical and direct. At times we were ok, but we seem to lack ideas going forward. They are a very good side this season and have impressed me numerous times.
Not sure what you were watching. Forest looked like rubbish. Possession, sure, but little else.
This is a garbage statement, forest played pretty well, good in wide areas and put us under a decent amount of pressure.
If you think they're rubbish then we must be fucking league 2
I just disagree. Based on today’s display, they are an average team. Now, on other days, they are better than that, but today was not impressive. We just did our weekly bed-crapping routine and handed them the game.
Our defense is closing in on League Two, yes. It is beyond calamitous at this point. It is embarrassing how the entire game plan was to target our right side again and again and again. Emery did not do well to leave Cash out there as long as he did. He clearly was exhausted. Blame to go all around at the back. Could do with not seeing Carlos or Torres - and especially both of them together- for a long while.
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 14, 2024, 08:38:06 PM
Just seen the goals fuck me this defence us fucking embarrassment. If they had 9-5 jobs they would be sacked for being so shit.
Ill happily replace the lot of them come the summer.
Can someone please bring back the team of 2023 to replace this Blues one of 2024 that cant defend to save their lives please?
Oh dear.
That’s ridiculously stupid. We’re doing fantastic in the Champions League and not bad in the league.
Doing well in CLz- how we doing in league ian? Tell me how thats 'ridiculously stupid' ?
Also please present factually how we are defensively better this year than 2023?
Sixth. I'd settle for that at the end of the season all things considered.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 14, 2024, 08:42:25 PM
We’re 5th in the Champions League and so far we’ve been quite tight defensively. The league form is very different and we are leaking. To state you want to change the whole defence is rather silly.
Ian if we want to be a top side we cant leak this many goals. In fact one player i wouldnt change is digne as he has generally been good. Carlos, pau, carlos and cash have been pretty poor most of the season. Its clear to me you need upgrades if you want to be challenging the top four - my sock draw looks more organised than this shambles of a back four.
Inexcusable to lose a game in that fashion. You expect this from a sherwood team not a emery team
Post by: KevinGage on December 14, 2024, 08:43:08 PM
Post by: john2710 on December 14, 2024, 08:43:24 PM
In that last 20 minutes we were physically weak & lacked a defensive leader. They were first to every ball into the box. We don't defend as if our lives depend on it.
Post by: brontebilly on December 14, 2024, 08:43:46 PM
Personally, although I thought it was a good sub at the time, I think he fucked up bringing Onana on. It screamed 'keep it tight, see the game out' type sub and maybe put us in defensive mode.
He could have put a garden gnome in for Tielemans and it would have been an improvement. Onana was decent I thought.
Post by: BoVillan esq on December 14, 2024, 08:43:54 PM
Post by: London Villan on December 14, 2024, 08:46:13 PM
Just poor game management.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 14, 2024, 08:48:18 PM
The defence IS a fucking shambles though. Nearly two goals a game conceded for the whole of 2024. Piss poor.
People are saying this a lot and I know conceding twice a game most weeks isn't a great tactic but isn't that just the way modern football is. Playing out from the back is inevitably going to lead to some mistakes and goals.
Konsa should've just booted the ball up the line instead of continually passing to Cash but guess when we're training every day in the manner to play out it just becomes a second nature habit.
Mostly you look at the top teams though and bar Arsenal I don't think anyone are that good defensively if you properly test them.
Don't have to go into Spurs but Man. City have collapsed defensively without one player just like we did with Kamara getting injured. Liverpool have kept two clean sheets in their last eight which is a mediocre record for the league leaders.
Seems one of the sides that has kept the most clean sheets in 2024 are Everton but no one wants to watch a side set up by Dyche.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 14, 2024, 08:49:12 PM
It was more about who he took off, Kamara why, all Roger’s did for the last 20 was lose the ball.Emery completely outdone by Nuno.Ridiculous statement.
One manager made subs that changed the game, the other made subs that made us worse. How ridiculous.
He brought on Onana, Watkins and Maatsen.. how could anybody complain about that at the time?
The game was won, but the subs did not help us.
Post by: langleylions on December 14, 2024, 08:49:38 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on December 14, 2024, 08:50:22 PM
The defence IS a fucking shambles though. Nearly two goals a game conceded for the whole of 2024. Piss poor.
Mings was ill.
You would think a CL team would have alternatives against a physical team, but we don't.
Post by: London Villan on December 14, 2024, 08:50:55 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2024, 08:51:20 PM
Post by: Ian. on December 14, 2024, 08:52:02 PM
Post by: Clampy on December 14, 2024, 08:53:30 PM
Just seen the goals fuck me this defence us fucking embarrassment. If they had 9-5 jobs they would be sacked for being so shit.
Ill happily replace the lot of them come the summer.
Can someone please bring back the team of 2023 to replace this Blues one of 2024 that cant defend to save their lives please?
Oh dear.
That’s ridiculously stupid. We’re doing fantastic in the Champions League and not bad in the league.
Doing well in CLz- how we doing in league ian? Tell me how thats 'ridiculously stupid' ?
Also please present factually how we are defensively better this year than 2023?
I said a while back I cringe at your posts and I still do. 'Replace the whole lot in the summer' . I'd be embarassed if I even thought that never mind post it.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 14, 2024, 08:54:07 PM
Just seen the goals fuck me this defence us fucking embarrassment. If they had 9-5 jobs they would be sacked for being so shit.
Ill happily replace the lot of them come the summer.
Can someone please bring back the team of 2023 to replace this Blues one of 2024 that cant defend to save their lives please?
Oh dear.
That’s ridiculously stupid. We’re doing fantastic in the Champions League and not bad in the league.
Doing well in CLz- how we doing in league ian? Tell me how thats 'ridiculously stupid' ?
Also please present factually how we are defensively better this year than 2023?
Sixth. I'd settle for that at the end of the season all things considered.
Id be thrilled with 6th Dave based on seeing how this teams been performing in the league.
Dont think we are good for top 5 i am afraid. Results like today are massive backwards step as a club. One offs ok accepted but we be defending thia badly a majority of season in league. Even at Leipzig it was a shambles at times
Post by: Paul.S on December 14, 2024, 08:59:06 PM
We give away goals that a Sunday league team would get frustrated at and we were given a warning before with the disallowed goal. I think we’ve got to accept that it won’t get any better until we get the chance to improve in either January or the summer. It’s virtually on a game by game basis and we tried to do it in Leipzig as well.
There’s not a chance we get anywhere near the top 6 if it doesn’t improve.
Post by: rob_bridge on December 14, 2024, 09:01:14 PM
What I don't understand is that for large parts of games we pass the ball around the back, keeping control of it, hardly trying to attack. Then twice this season winning heading into the last few minutes, Konsa decides to try high-risk passes into attacking positions, rather than recycling the ball.
Just poor game management.
Sums it up. 90% time it is fine - the problem is this season the 10% has cost us disproportionately. Unlike the previous 18 months, mostly
Post by: London Villan on December 14, 2024, 09:03:44 PM
Post by: passport1 on December 14, 2024, 09:04:44 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 14, 2024, 09:05:50 PM
Just seen the goals fuck me this defence us fucking embarrassment. If they had 9-5 jobs they would be sacked for being so shit.
Ill happily replace the lot of them come the summer.
Can someone please bring back the team of 2023 to replace this Blues one of 2024 that cant defend to save their lives please?
Oh dear.
That’s ridiculously stupid. We’re doing fantastic in the Champions League and not bad in the league.
Doing well in CLz- how we doing in league ian? Tell me how thats 'ridiculously stupid' ?
Also please present factually how we are defensively better this year than 2023?
I said a while back I cringe at your posts and I still do. 'Replace the whole lot in the summer' . I'd be embarassed if I even thought that never mind post it.
Na you just want to argue. I could say the skys blue and you would "cringe" at it or have a issue with it. Whatever floats your boat the cringer 🙃
Post by: Paul.S on December 14, 2024, 09:06:04 PM
The only silver lining is that despite our frailties and lack of attacking options we are very mich in touch with the top 5 places and January is two weeks away.
No chance top 5 unless we sort that mess out at the back.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2024, 09:07:27 PM
The only silver lining is that despite our frailties and lack of attacking options we are very mich in touch with the top 5 places and January is two weeks away.
No chance top 5 unless we sort that mess out at the back.
It’s not just defensive play, our attacking play is really lacking zip.
Post by: VillaTim on December 14, 2024, 09:07:38 PM
The defence IS a fucking shambles though. Nearly two goals a game conceded for the whole of 2024. Piss poor.Defensively we are a train crash . Torres isn't a CB , Carlos is erratic to say the least , Konsa isn't a bloody RB - how much longer does the lab experiment have to go on .
The subs today were crap . Onana had zero presence , Maatsen seems a nothing player to me or hasn't settled yet .
Cash in midfield should never see the light of day again.
Emery has had a mare today not just the players .
Post by: The Edge on December 14, 2024, 09:09:27 PM
You seem to be sticking to your guns with your view that Cash wasn't fouled for their second despite unilateral agreement on here and the various WhatsApp groups I'm on that all think otherwise. Of course thats your perogative but we agree on one thing. For the 30 seconds prior to that incident Cash was piss poor. I think he gave the ball away three times after we won it back. He's not good enough in that position and a massive upgrade is needed. I've long admired Jarod Bowen and I'd love to get him in. Bailey's inconsistency is hampering our season badly.Cash was pushed over. Watch it again if you can. Blatant.Yes, Cash was fouled in the build up for their winner. Yes, the ref was bad all game but this is all getting a bit repetitive and predictable now.
We spurn way too many chances and if we keep conceding 2 goals a game we’ll finish the season behind the likes of Forest who aren’t a particularly talented team - they just try harder than us and that I just can’t accept.
Never a foul in a million years
Absolutely not. Cash embarrassed himself twice in the space of 30 seconds
Post by: VillaTim on December 14, 2024, 09:11:26 PM
We'd have won if we could defend . We scored a lovely goal . Successful teams see that out .The only silver lining is that despite our frailties and lack of attacking options we are very mich in touch with the top 5 places and January is two weeks away.
No chance top 5 unless we sort that mess out at the back.
It’s not just defensive play, our attacking play is really lacking zip.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 14, 2024, 09:11:30 PM
Post by: baddowvillans on December 14, 2024, 09:12:02 PM
I think we will end up having a decent season but unlikely to be as good as last year although we should have some good Champions League nights to cling to. It pains me to say it but we need to look at Arsenal who under Wenger were weak when faced with a physical challenge but look at the now - masters of the dark arts and scoring goals from corners and free kicks in ways where we would probably get punished. I love Emery and don't want to lose him but until we man up we aren't moving forward. Of course PSR doesn't help clubs like Villa, Newcastle and yes Forest so if we can't recruit where we need to we need to get better.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 14, 2024, 09:12:33 PM
Post by: PhilVill on December 14, 2024, 09:13:20 PM
So near and yet so far. Disappointing but not the end of the world. Put it right next weekend and it will be Onwards & Upwards!
Sadly, we keep saying 'put it right' but the same shit defending keeps rearing it's head. That's four terrible goals given away in the last two games.
I reckon with that defence, we looking at 7th -10th with about 55 points this year
Post by: Paul.S on December 14, 2024, 09:15:47 PM
The only silver lining is that despite our frailties and lack of attacking options we are very mich in touch with the top 5 places and January is two weeks away.
No chance top 5 unless we sort that mess out at the back.
It’s not just defensive play, our attacking play is really lacking zip.
I know why we aren’t attacking like we did. We lost Diaby and Bailey has been woeful and now we’ve got Cash on the wing. It was the perfect away performance today, until the usual defensive calamities. I’ve never seen so many defensive mistakes game after game.
If we haven’t got plans for January we’ll end up mid table.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2024, 09:16:49 PM
We'd have won if we could defend . We scored a lovely goal . Successful teams see that out .The only silver lining is that despite our frailties and lack of attacking options we are very mich in touch with the top 5 places and January is two weeks away.
No chance top 5 unless we sort that mess out at the back.
It’s not just defensive play, our attacking play is really lacking zip.
Yeah maybe, but our attacking out put in the league has dropped off and that in turn puts pressure on the ailing defensive side of our game.
Post by: VillaTim on December 14, 2024, 09:23:10 PM
Unfortunately Bailey 2.0 showed up this season. Bidace looks a rabbit in the headlights . We miss Diabys pace . That said we should have seen that out today . 1-0 up on 87 mins and losing is ridiculously poor . No leadership , bollocks or spine , pathetic weak defending and stupidity , manager included .We'd have won if we could defend . We scored a lovely goal . Successful teams see that out .The only silver lining is that despite our frailties and lack of attacking options we are very mich in touch with the top 5 places and January is two weeks away.
No chance top 5 unless we sort that mess out at the back.
It’s not just defensive play, our attacking play is really lacking zip.
Yeah maybe, but our attacking out put in the league has dropped off and that in turn puts pressure on the ailing defensive side of our game.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 14, 2024, 09:23:52 PM
I’m more concerned we are not anywhere near the attacking threat that we were. Losing Diaby and Dougie has hit us hard on that department. If we had as much threat as last season, our defence doesn’t have to be as water tight.
Good point.
Post by: langleylions on December 14, 2024, 09:26:11 PM
Quote from: passport1 link=topic=6547shs5.msg4736275#msg4736275 date=1734210284So near and yet so far. Disappointing but not the end of the world. Put it right next weekend and it will be Onwards & Upwards!
Sadly, we keep saying 'put it right' but the same shit defending keeps rearing it's head. That's four terrible goals given away in the last two games.
I reckon with that defence, we looking at 7th -10th with about 55 points this year
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Shut the fuck up you prick ...you dont know what your talking about
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2024, 09:27:10 PM
I’m more concerned we are not anywhere near the attacking threat that we were. Losing Diaby and Dougie has hit us hard on that department. If we had as much threat as last season, our defence doesn’t have to be as water tight.
Good point.
Yep it’s not just our defensive play, our attack looks ponderous. The fact Cash is playing wide right with one injury shows how short we are of effective options. It’s a real gap.
Post by: VillaTim on December 14, 2024, 09:33:51 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 14, 2024, 09:39:44 PM
I’m more concerned we are not anywhere near the attacking threat that we were. Losing Diaby and Dougie has hit us hard on that department. If we had as much threat as last season, our defence doesn’t have to be as water tight.
Completely agree with this Ian
No idea why Buendia isn't getting time , got to be better than Cash in midfield
Buendia clearly not rated by unai. I think he will be offski in one of the next two windows. If you cabt get ahead of cash in midfield then you got no chance
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 14, 2024, 09:49:52 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2024, 09:52:34 PM
Does this put an end to the theory that our defensive frailties are directly attributable to Kamara’s absence? He played well tonight.
I still think it’s down to a lack of control in midfield. We get more control at the end and we don’t lose.
Post by: London Villan on December 14, 2024, 09:53:11 PM
Post by: Paul.S on December 14, 2024, 09:53:33 PM
Does this put an end to the theory that our defensive frailties are directly attributable to Kamara’s absence? He played well tonight.
I think so. Kamara was very good today but no one can help that defence.
Post by: brontebilly on December 14, 2024, 09:53:50 PM
Does this put an end to the theory that our defensive frailties are directly attributable to Kamara’s absence? He played well tonight.
Is the theory that Konsa and Carlos are statistically part of our best defence still stacking up?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 14, 2024, 09:56:34 PM
Mings bought in the championship by Smith
Konsa bought by smith when we went up
Mcginn bought by Bruce in the championship
Cash bought by Smith when we went up.
Watkins bought by Smith when we went up.
Five players who are more or less still certain starters today and we are relying on Mings being the second coming.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2024, 09:59:25 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 14, 2024, 09:59:49 PM
Does this put an end to the theory that our defensive frailties are directly attributable to Kamara’s absence? He played well tonight.Yes. That arguments ship has now sailed .
Post by: ROBBO on December 14, 2024, 10:00:50 PM
Post by: nick harper on December 14, 2024, 10:02:18 PM
All this mind numbing walking directionless football we play at the back is all nice coaching but they need to be taught the basics of being first to the ball in the penalty area.
Post by: Steve67 on December 14, 2024, 10:08:36 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 14, 2024, 10:14:27 PM
Weird comment.
Weird because I’m saying something that is in fact true. Emery is not Dynamo. He got a tune out of players that are average premier league players and continues to do his very best but it’s not working any more because allegedly said players cannot allow their minds to be blown by lengthy tactical team talks.
Post by: The Edge on December 14, 2024, 10:16:20 PM
I look back at the game and see that they had the ball in the net three times with one being marginal offside, thay had another effort that was stopped on the line by pure brilliance. We had one effort all day that produced a goal, after that nothing. I would say that points to them being the better side.I look back at that game and see that they had a goal correctly disallowed for offside. I saw our brilliant keeper make a brilliant save which is what he's there for after all. I saw a penalty not given which should have been. I saw a winning goal that came directly from a blatant foul on our player. This does not make them a better side than us. It means that the marginal decisions went in their favour. If they're above us come the end of the season I'll concede that they're the better side but I'd take a £50 bet with anyone that they won't be.
Post by: VillaTim on December 14, 2024, 10:17:02 PM
Emerys signings have been pretty hit and miss . Duran was done by Lange before he arrived , so probably Rogers is his best signing ?Weird comment.
Weird because I’m saying something that is in fact true.
Post by: Risso on December 14, 2024, 10:17:17 PM
I blame the owners.
Mings bought in the championship by Smith
Konsa bought by smith when we went up
Mcginn bought by Bruce in the championship
Cash bought by Smith when we went up.
Watkins bought by Smith when we went up.
Five players who are more or less still certain starters today and we are relying on Mings being the second coming.
Martinez bought by Smith. Digne and Kamara bought by Gerrard. Duran identified by Lange pre-Emery. The business since then has mostly poor.
Post by: The Edge on December 14, 2024, 10:18:04 PM
So you want Emery out? Fuck me what an over reaction.Weird comment.
Weird because I’m saying something that is in fact true. Emery is not Dynamo. He got a tune out of players that are average premier league players and continues to do his very best but it’s not working any more because allegedly said players cannot allow their minds to be blown by lengthy tactical team talks.
Post by: Drummond on December 14, 2024, 10:18:27 PM
Quote from: passport1 link=topic=6547shs5.msg4736275#msg4736275 date=1734210284So near and yet so far. Disappointing but not the end of the world. Put it right next weekend and it will be Onwards & Upwards!
Sadly, we keep saying 'put it right' but the same shit defending keeps rearing it's head. That's four terrible goals given away in the last two games.
I reckon with that defence, we looking at 7th -10th with about 55 points this year
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Shut the fuck up you prick ...you dont know what your talking about
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2024, 10:20:13 PM
Weird comment.
Weird because I’m saying something that is in fact true. Emery is not Dynamo. He got a tune out of players that are average premier league players and continues to do his very best but it’s not working any more because allegedly said players cannot allow their minds to be blown by lengthy tactical team talks.
Well it only works if you assume players are the max of what they will be at an early part of their career. Pretty much all you cite have gone on to be excellent players, so actually it just illustrates scouting was pretty good. They’re not average PL players, particularly McGinn, Watkins, Konsa, and probably Mings.
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 14, 2024, 10:21:33 PM
Post by: Drummond on December 14, 2024, 10:23:09 PM
I thought we did ok and both teams nullified each other. They went for it after going behind and we were left exposed too many times.
It's so frustrating.
Post by: olaftab on December 14, 2024, 10:24:47 PM
Yes there is that but at least we get a chance to put it right.I hate it, absolutely hate it when this happens. It’s going to be a miserable week till Saturday.You think us playing Man City is going to put a smile back on your face?
Post by: olaftab on December 14, 2024, 10:26:26 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 14, 2024, 10:26:34 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 14, 2024, 10:30:48 PM
Thought we controlled the game well after our goal, no fancy football and stupid passing, truthfully expecting Watkins to cause forest a few problems but didn't really notice it"Controlled the game well after our goal" ?????
Have you been drinking
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 14, 2024, 10:32:18 PM
No and do me a favour please don't reply to my comments ,(comment edited for what I really meant to say)Thought we controlled the game well after our goal, no fancy football and stupid passing, until we went to pot truthfully expecting Watkins to cause forest a few problems but didn't really notice it"Controlled the game well after our goal" ?????
Have you been drinking
Post by: Lsvilla on December 14, 2024, 10:39:28 PM
3 hours on and I am still shocked at the manner of defeat. Games can be lost but F in hell capitulation with 3 mins to go….😢This is word for word what I would have written.
So disappointed by what unfolded after we took the lead.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 14, 2024, 10:47:44 PM
So you want Emery out? Fuck me what an over reaction.Weird comment.
Weird because I’m saying something that is in fact true. Emery is not Dynamo. He got a tune out of players that are average premier league players and continues to do his very best but it’s not working any more because allegedly said players cannot allow their minds to be blown by lengthy tactical team talks.
Read what I have said and tell me how you deduce I want the manager out. I want the manager to be able to compete with the Nottingham Forests of this world who go out and spunk £43m on Gibbs-White whilst we are paying £5m for Ross Barkley for example.
Post by: andyh on December 14, 2024, 10:49:53 PM
No idea why Buendia isn't getting time , got to be better than Cash in midfieldTrust me.
Buendia is not the answer to our problems
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 14, 2024, 10:53:59 PM
No idea why Buendia isn't getting time , got to be better than Cash in midfieldTrust me.
Buendia is not the answer to our problems
I think we’ve moved on from Buendia now, he never set the world alight when we were moving up the league and I’d see us trying to shift him on to a lower prem club, if he’s lucky, or more likely a promotion challenging championship club.
Post by: andyh on December 14, 2024, 10:54:32 PM
Shit result. Annoying that when teams have a real go with pace and drive we struggle.That’s a point I have made many times.
I thought we did ok and both teams nullified each other. They went for it after going behind and we were left exposed too many times.
It's so frustrating.
We never get up a head of stream and press with pace, even in the very latter stages of a game we are losing.
The tactics of Torres, Konsa and Carlos tippy tapping it around sidewards and backwards already feels like a style that was one effective but has had its time.
Unfortunately, it seems to be the only way we know how to play, regardless of the opponent, the score or the situation
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 14, 2024, 10:56:53 PM
Post by: eamonn on December 14, 2024, 10:57:12 PM
I thought he brought Onana on for his height. Not that it worked but I could see the logic.
Onana's cut his hair and like Sansom and Morgan Sanson, it's shorn him of his power.
Post by: SaddVillan on December 14, 2024, 11:00:11 PM
Should have had a stonewall pen in the 1st half.
Their "equaliser" was VAR'd as offside.
Their 2nd equaliser- back post header was fair and square.
In the build up to their "winner" Cash got well and truly body checked/clattered. Deffo a foul, but the ref seemed disinclined to blow his whistle for much of the game.
We became visibly tired in the last 20 mins. Unable to retain control of the ball/play out from the back/retain possession. The crowd got behind them and they just wore us down.
Fatigue
Naivety
Unprofessionalism
Lack of football nous
Poor game management
Call it what you will, but these are the areas (other than individual player/skills upgrades) that collectively we need to improve on if we really want to get to be a proper top 4 side.
Sermon over.
Post by: The Edge on December 14, 2024, 11:01:34 PM
Ok so what so you mean by "said players cannot allow their minds to be blown by lengthy tactical team talks" That seems to me like your saying Unai's methods are no longer working. Comments like that usually mean you want the manager out.So you want Emery out? Fuck me what an over reaction.Weird comment.
Weird because I’m saying something that is in fact true. Emery is not Dynamo. He got a tune out of players that are average premier league players and continues to do his very best but it’s not working any more because allegedly said players cannot allow their minds to be blown by lengthy tactical team talks.
Read what I have said and tell me how you deduce I want the manager out. I want the manager to be able to compete with the Nottingham Forests of this world who go out and spunk £43m n Gibbs-White whilst we are paying £5m for Ross Barkley for example.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2024, 11:06:03 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 14, 2024, 11:08:06 PM
Shit result. Annoying that when teams have a real go with pace and drive we struggle.That’s a point I have made many times.
I thought we did ok and both teams nullified each other. They went for it after going behind and we were left exposed too many times.
It's so frustrating.
We never get up a head of stream and press with pace, even in the very latter stages of a game we are losing.
The tactics of Torres, Konsa and Carlos tippy tapping it around sidewards and backwards already feels like a style that was one effective but has had its time.
Unfortunately, it seems to be the only way we know how to play, regardless of the opponent, the score or the situation
I’ve often thought this when we play at home. The way we play doesn’t really allow the crowd to roar them on as it’s a slow and controlled way of playing. More often than not we don’t have prolonged periods of pressure, that’s the way it sometimes appears to me anyway.
Post by: VillaTim on December 14, 2024, 11:11:12 PM
In the nicest possible way , don't post utter rubbish then .No and do me a favour please don't reply to my comments ,(comment edited for what I really meant to say)Thought we controlled the game well after our goal, no fancy football and stupid passing, until we went to pot truthfully expecting Watkins to cause forest a few problems but didn't really notice it"Controlled the game well after our goal" ?????
Have you been drinking
We did not control the game after we scored . It was the polar opposite .
Post by: VillaTim on December 14, 2024, 11:14:26 PM
He might not be the answer but he's a better midfielder than Matty Cash .No idea why Buendia isn't getting time , got to be better than Cash in midfieldTrust me.
Buendia is not the answer to our problems
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 14, 2024, 11:27:01 PM
Ok so what so you mean by "said players cannot allow their minds to be blown by lengthy tactical team talks" That seems to me like your saying Unai's methods are no longer working. Comments like that usually mean you want the manager out.So you want Emery out? Fuck me what an over reaction.Weird comment.
Weird because I’m saying something that is in fact true. Emery is not Dynamo. He got a tune out of players that are average premier league players and continues to do his very best but it’s not working any more because allegedly said players cannot allow their minds to be blown by lengthy tactical team talks.
Read what I have said and tell me how you deduce I want the manager out. I want the manager to be able to compete with the Nottingham Forests of this world who go out and spunk £43m n Gibbs-White whilst we are paying £5m for Ross Barkley for example.
Fcuking hell. I mean they’re not good enough to consistently retain detailed instructions because I think we need upgrades. By the sounds of it you’d struggle with his detailed team talks.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 14, 2024, 11:30:42 PM
Post by: The Edge on December 14, 2024, 11:32:48 PM
Well it's not very fucking clear what you meant mate. What the fuck does "they cannot allow their minds to be blown" actually mean?Ok so what so you mean by "said players cannot allow their minds to be blown by lengthy tactical team talks" That seems to me like your saying Unai's methods are no longer working. Comments like that usually mean you want the manager out.So you want Emery out? Fuck me what an over reaction.Weird comment.
Weird because I’m saying something that is in fact true. Emery is not Dynamo. He got a tune out of players that are average premier league players and continues to do his very best but it’s not working any more because allegedly said players cannot allow their minds to be blown by lengthy tactical team talks.
Read what I have said and tell me how you deduce I want the manager out. I want the manager to be able to compete with the Nottingham Forests of this world who go out and spunk £43m n Gibbs-White whilst we are paying £5m for Ross Barkley for example.
Fcuking hell. I mean they’re not good enough to consistently retain detailed instructions because I think we need upgrades. By the sounds of it you’d struggle with his detailed team talks.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 14, 2024, 11:34:15 PM
Whilst we are talking about it how do Forest spend as much as they have with less revenue and crowds than us and get away with it?
Didn’t they get a points deduction for it?
Post by: ROBBO on December 14, 2024, 11:40:57 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 14, 2024, 11:44:14 PM
Whilst we are talking about it how do Forest spend as much as they have with less revenue and crowds than us and get away with it?
Didn’t they get a points deduction for it?
And yet still allowed to spend.
Post by: Villan82 on December 14, 2024, 11:45:52 PM
Whilst we are talking about it how do Forest spend as much as they have with less revenue and crowds than us and get away with it?
I think they, like about 6 or 7 other clubs, want to expand their stadium to deal with the PSR issue.
Post by: VillaTim on December 14, 2024, 11:48:42 PM
The mind numbing slow play at the back does my head in, from Emi onwards, most puzzlingt was how with just a couple of minutes injury time left we were still playing pass the ball in midfield.There's a time and place for it, taking the sting out of key moments . But it shouldn't be de riguer
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 14, 2024, 11:52:51 PM
I asked you to not to comment on my postsIn the nicest possible way , don't post utter rubbish then .No and do me a favour please don't reply to my comments ,(comment edited for what I really meant to say)Thought we controlled the game well after our goal, no fancy football and stupid passing, until we went to pot truthfully expecting Watkins to cause forest a few problems but didn't really notice it"Controlled the game well after our goal" ?????
Have you been drinking
We did not control the game after we scored . It was the polar opposite .
Post by: VillaTim on December 14, 2024, 11:54:40 PM
Don't post rubbish , we have a deal .I asked you to not to comment on my postsIn the nicest possible way , don't post utter rubbish then .No and do me a favour please don't reply to my comments ,(comment edited for what I really meant to say)Thought we controlled the game well after our goal, no fancy football and stupid passing, until we went to pot truthfully expecting Watkins to cause forest a few problems but didn't really notice it"Controlled the game well after our goal" ?????
Have you been drinking
We did not control the game after we scored . It was the polar opposite .
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 14, 2024, 11:55:11 PM
fuck offDon't post rubbish , we have a deal .I asked you to not to comment on my postsIn the nicest possible way , don't post utter rubbish then .No and do me a favour please don't reply to my comments ,(comment edited for what I really meant to say)Thought we controlled the game well after our goal, no fancy football and stupid passing, until we went to pot truthfully expecting Watkins to cause forest a few problems but didn't really notice it"Controlled the game well after our goal" ?????
Have you been drinking
We did not control the game after we scored . It was the polar opposite .
Post by: eamonn on December 14, 2024, 11:55:45 PM
Post by: Beard82 on December 15, 2024, 12:04:02 AM
To throw this away is why we’re not going to make top 6. Really poor. I think if Mings plays we win. I don’t think Pau added to our attacking play - and we’re just so bloody easy to score agains.
Really really frustrating. Still yet to beat anyone in and around us at the top of the table and feels like a real opportunity missed. The odds are stacked against us finishing in the top 6 again - but this season seems to give us a real chance as the seems to be some flux at the top but we seem determined to fuck it.
Post by: The Edge on December 15, 2024, 12:07:04 AM
Post by: VillaTim on December 15, 2024, 12:24:43 AM
Get your head down , school tomorrow.fuck offDon't post rubbish , we have a deal .I asked you to not to comment on my postsIn the nicest possible way , don't post utter rubbish then .No and do me a favour please don't reply to my comments ,(comment edited for what I really meant to say)Thought we controlled the game well after our goal, no fancy football and stupid passing, until we went to pot truthfully expecting Watkins to cause forest a few problems but didn't really notice it"Controlled the game well after our goal" ?????
Have you been drinking
We did not control the game after we scored . It was the polar opposite .
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 15, 2024, 12:26:39 AM
How do I block this twat?Get your head down , school tomorrow.fuck offDon't post rubbish , we have a deal .I asked you to not to comment on my postsIn the nicest possible way , don't post utter rubbish then .No and do me a favour please don't reply to my comments ,(comment edited for what I really meant to say)Thought we controlled the game well after our goal, no fancy football and stupid passing, until we went to pot truthfully expecting Watkins to cause forest a few problems but didn't really notice it"Controlled the game well after our goal" ?????
Have you been drinking
We did not control the game after we scored . It was the polar opposite .
Post by: VillaTim on December 15, 2024, 12:29:11 AM
A really poor result - I watched the first 80 mins and we seemed in control.I'd agree , Mings plays I think we have organisation and combativeness at the back and would have coped with them .
To throw this away is why we’re not going to make top 6. Really poor. I think if Mings plays we win. I don’t think Pau added to our attacking play - and we’re just so bloody easy to score agains.
Really really frustrating. Still yet to beat anyone in and around us at the top of the table and feels like a real opportunity missed. The odds are stacked against us finishing in the top 6 again - but this season seems to give us a real chance as the seems to be some flux at the top but we seem determined to fuck it.
We are not causing enough trouble on the counter and it's down to a lack of pace . We are a top quality side without that electrical spark on both wings . Today's wide outlet was Matty Cash , enough said .
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 15, 2024, 12:35:32 AM
How do I block this twat?Get your head down , school tomorrow.fuck offDon't post rubbish , we have a deal .I asked you to not to comment on my postsIn the nicest possible way , don't post utter rubbish then .No and do me a favour please don't reply to my comments ,(comment edited for what I really meant to say)Thought we controlled the game well after our goal, no fancy football and stupid passing, until we went to pot truthfully expecting Watkins to cause forest a few problems but didn't really notice it"Controlled the game well after our goal" ?????
Have you been drinking
We did not control the game after we scored . It was the polar opposite .
This is one hell of a quoteathon
Post by: Beard82 on December 15, 2024, 12:38:44 AM
From an attacking perspective - Duran has hidden just how bad it’s been. Rigers and Watkins have been ok at times but nowhere near as often as they should be
Mings is the big miss - especially today - we were bullied and Carlos and Torres are just not as good defenders as Mings. Pau has some amazing abilities but they don’t seem to be contributing as much this season.
Post by: TonyD on December 15, 2024, 12:39:31 AM
It ain’t rocket science.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2024, 12:40:11 AM
Does this put an end to the theory that our defensive frailties are directly attributable to Kamara’s absence? He played well tonight.
Is the theory that Konsa and Carlos are statistically part of our best defence still stacking up?
Yep. That’s a fact though, not a theory.
Once more for the people at the back…
As I pointed out when we bought him, and has been borne out since, Pau is quite weak defensively. We bought him for his progressive play, and Emery’s initial plan was to have him play alongside Mings, who was told at the time that he remained first choice.
Konsa and Pau with traditional full-backs either side are weak defensively, which is borne out by the clean sheet stats. At the risk of repeating myself (I know, I know), Konsa needs Mings, Pau needs a right-footed Mings. In the absence of these options, the solution that has worked more often than the Konsa/Pau partnership is Carlos/Pau supplemented by Konsa as a defensive right-back. This is borne out by the fact that this line-up is responsible for the vast majority of our clean sheets since the start of last season.
None of the line-ups without Mings are consistently great, because there is nobody good in the air and no physically dominant leader/organiser. If you cast your mind back to the summer transfer thread, I was calling for a physically dominant right-sided centre-half as a priority, because I dreaded the thought of Cash at right-back against the level of teams we might face in the CL. Luckily, the make-do-and-mend defence we’ve seen so far in that competition has served us well so far, the only really costly mistake being made, ironically, by far and away our best centre-half.
Carlos IMO opinion is the worst centre-back of our four senior ones, but you can’t look at results and conclude that he is not part of our most EFFECTIVE defence without Mings. That’s simply factually incorrect.
Clean sheets with Carlos @ CB since Mings injury (Konsa was RB in 13 of these games):
Hibs 0 Villa 5
Villa 1 Mostar 0
Villa 1 Man City 0
Villa 1 Arsenal 0
Everton 0 Villa 0
Sheff Utd 0 Villa 5
Villa 4 Ajax 0
Villa 2 Wolves 0
Arsenal 0 Villa 2
Young Boys 0 Villa 3 (second-half only)
Villa 1 Bayern 0
Villa 0 Man Utd 0 (Cash at RB)
Villa 2 Bologna 0
Juventus 0-0
Southampton 1-0
Clean sheets without Carlos and with Konsa @ CB since Mings injury:
Villa 4 Everton 0
Villa 3 Hibs 0
Boro 0 Villa 1
Ajax 0 Villa 0
Chelsea 0 Villa 1
Chelsea 0 Villa 0
The relative merits of opponent is worthy of consideration too.
I’d be interested in seeing the facts that contradict these ones, and the conclusion I’ve come to, but I won’t hold my breath as you only post theories that are not borne out by facts.
Post by: TonyD on December 15, 2024, 12:41:12 AM
He is neat and tidy but IMO doesn’t add to our attacking flow.
Post by: VillaTim on December 15, 2024, 12:42:23 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 15, 2024, 12:49:39 AM
How do I block this twat?Get your head down , school tomorrow.fuck offDon't post rubbish , we have a deal .I asked you to not to comment on my postsIn the nicest possible way , don't post utter rubbish then .No and do me a favour please don't reply to my comments ,(comment edited for what I really meant to say)Thought we controlled the game well after our goal, no fancy football and stupid passing, until we went to pot truthfully expecting Watkins to cause forest a few problems but didn't really notice it"Controlled the game well after our goal" ?????
Have you been drinking
We did not control the game after we scored . It was the polar opposite .
This is one hell of a quoteathon
Agreed. Quite enjoying it, though. It's about to go full Reservoir Dogs, IMO.
Post by: VillaTim on December 15, 2024, 01:05:57 AM
I don’t understand the love for Kamara.He's a very good player but needs a sidekick . He can't do it all on his own .
He is neat and tidy but IMO doesn’t add to our attacking flow.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2024, 01:08:02 AM
Post by: VillaTim on December 15, 2024, 01:12:34 AM
Sunday school?Good for the soul .
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on December 15, 2024, 02:14:03 AM
I don’t understand the love for Kamara.
He is neat and tidy but IMO doesn’t add to our attacking flow.
He's pretty important to our attacking flow. I think he's probably our best player so we're definitely on different pages!
Post by: eamonn on December 15, 2024, 02:34:21 AM
Post by: ROBBO on December 15, 2024, 03:10:30 AM
Post by: Rigadon on December 15, 2024, 06:38:08 AM
Anyway, still up there and fighting in a sea of inconsistency. Need reinforcements in January in key positions.
Post by: nick harper on December 15, 2024, 07:00:49 AM
Just saw the Rogers foul. Fuck me, that’s a stonewall penalty. How on earth isn’t that given? The refereeing this season is really really poor - consistently bad. They obviously have a directive to ‘let the game flow’ which allows for persistent fouling. What that’s adding to the spectacle I don’t honestly know.
Anyway, still up there and fighting in a sea of inconsistency. Need reinforcements in January in key positions.
That directive means the PGMOL are getting ever further away from the way games are refereed in Europe. Pretty much different rules which is a nonsense.
Those are fouls in Europe 100% of the time.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 15, 2024, 07:17:54 AM
It’s also a cop out, if you let everything go you don’t have to make any decisions.Just saw the Rogers foul. Fuck me, that’s a stonewall penalty. How on earth isn’t that given? The refereeing this season is really really poor - consistently bad. They obviously have a directive to ‘let the game flow’ which allows for persistent fouling. What that’s adding to the spectacle I don’t honestly know.
Anyway, still up there and fighting in a sea of inconsistency. Need reinforcements in January in key positions.
That directive means the PGMOL are getting ever further away from the way games are refereed in Europe. Pretty much different rules which is a nonsense.
Those are fouls in Europe 100% of the time.
Post by: Mister E on December 15, 2024, 07:54:21 AM
... one of the unintended consequences of VAR; PGMOL have buried their head in the sand on this, choosing to allow the Shockley Park ref to the work of the on-ref. Other issues are similarly corrupted (like, not retreating 10 yds from a free kick).It’s also a cop out, if you let everything go you don’t have to make any decisions.Just saw the Rogers foul. Fuck me, that’s a stonewall penalty. How on earth isn’t that given? The refereeing this season is really really poor - consistently bad. They obviously have a directive to ‘let the game flow’ which allows for persistent fouling. What that’s adding to the spectacle I don’t honestly know.
Anyway, still up there and fighting in a sea of inconsistency. Need reinforcements in January in key positions.
That directive means the PGMOL are getting ever further away from the way games are refereed in Europe. Pretty much different rules which is a nonsense.
Those are fouls in Europe 100% of the time.
Post by: HolteLower on December 15, 2024, 08:11:52 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 15, 2024, 08:18:48 AM
I don’t understand the love for Kamara.
He is neat and tidy but IMO doesn’t add to our attacking flow.
Probably the one player i wouldnt criticise as he has done very well since coming back. Its just most of the shit around him
Post by: Bobby Boy on December 15, 2024, 08:55:25 AM
When you are winning and the opposition have the wind in their sails and all the momentum, disrupt the game in any way you can, stop the momentum at all costs.
Don't be so bleeding accommodating!
Post by: ROBBO on December 15, 2024, 08:56:43 AM
Post by: Paul.S on December 15, 2024, 08:56:56 AM
I look back at the game and see that they had the ball in the net three times with one being marginal offside, thay had another effort that was stopped on the line by pure brilliance. We had one effort all day that produced a goal, after that nothing. I would say that points to them being the better side.I look back at that game and see that they had a goal correctly disallowed for offside. I saw our brilliant keeper make a brilliant save which is what he's there for after all. I saw a penalty not given which should have been. I saw a winning goal that came directly from a blatant foul on our player. This does not make them a better side than us. It means that the marginal decisions went in their favour. If they're above us come the end of the season I'll concede that they're the better side but I'd take a £50 bet with anyone that they won't be.
I don’t even want to watch it back. The standard of refereeing in this league is appalling with absolutely no consistency.
The reason we lost is because we can’t defend and they can. We were and are the better team but when we keep shooting ourselves in the foot game after game we will end up mid table or just above.
Post by: Chris Smith on December 15, 2024, 09:04:24 AM
The mind numbing slow play at the back does my head in, from Emi onwards, most puzzlingt was how with just a couple of minutes injury time left we were still playing pass the ball in midfield.
It was when we went away from this that the panic set in. We won so many away games last season playing just like that but for no obvious reason the players collectively went to pot yesterday for the last few minutes.
Post by: The Edge on December 15, 2024, 09:05:54 AM
Post by: Bobby Boy on December 15, 2024, 09:10:36 AM
Just watched the re-run of motd and it's still painful to see. The foul on Cash for their winner is so blatant it's laughable that the ref missed it. But the series of blunders by our players leading up to it are just as painful to see but it's actually worse as they didn't go back as far as Ollies woeful effort to make a simple pass to Barkley. Ollie's season is slowly disappearing down the plug hole. Playing Cash as a wing back highlights a huge problem we have on that right side. How have we ended up with a centre back at right back and medium quality right back at right wing? Questions have to be asked of our recruitment policy in the summer. On the plus side Durans header was outstanding, Kamara is looking an absolute top drawer player in his position and that save by Emi Martinez was incredible. He's fast becoming the best keeper I've ever seen play for the Villa.
You say that the foul on Cash for their winner was 'blatant' but how many of our players questioned the challenge? I can't see any that did, not even Cash.
Again, we've got to be a bit more sussed. Ok, it might not have made a difference but it might have put a seed of doubt in the ref's mind at least.
Post by: The Edge on December 15, 2024, 09:12:28 AM
Even at 1-0 up with five minutes to go I didn't feel that we would win. We not only have a soft underbelly but we seem to lack nous, we're not streetwise. I've seen it so many times when opposition teams kill the game with a hold up in play, here, multiple staggered substitutions, there.That's an excellent point. When Cash was fouled for their second the commentator said "that's going to be a foul" But when the ref didn't give it he said "there's not much protest from the players" which highlights your point. Imagine if that was Arsenal or Chelsea for instance they would have been screaming in the ref's face and most likely forced him to blow his whistle.
When you are winning and the opposition have the wind in their sails and all the momentum, disrupt the game in any way you can, stop the momentum at all costs.
Don't be so bleeding accommodating!
Post by: The Edge on December 15, 2024, 09:14:05 AM
I was writing a response agreeing with you when you put this.Just watched the re-run of motd and it's still painful to see. The foul on Cash for their winner is so blatant it's laughable that the ref missed it. But the series of blunders by our players leading up to it are just as painful to see but it's actually worse as they didn't go back as far as Ollies woeful effort to make a simple pass to Barkley. Ollie's season is slowly disappearing down the plug hole. Playing Cash as a wing back highlights a huge problem we have on that right side. How have we ended up with a centre back at right back and medium quality right back at right wing? Questions have to be asked of our recruitment policy in the summer. On the plus side Durans header was outstanding, Kamara is looking an absolute top drawer player in his position and that save by Emi Martinez was incredible. He's fast becoming the best keeper I've ever seen play for the Villa.
You say that the foul on Cash for their winner was 'blatant' but how many of our players questioned the challenge? I can't see any that did, not even Cash.
Again, we've got to be a bit more sussed. Ok, it might not have made a difference but it might have put a seed of doubt in the ref's mind at least.
Post by: Bobby Boy on December 15, 2024, 09:17:26 AM
I was writing a response agreeing with you when you put this.Just watched the re-run of motd and it's still painful to see. The foul on Cash for their winner is so blatant it's laughable that the ref missed it. But the series of blunders by our players leading up to it are just as painful to see but it's actually worse as they didn't go back as far as Ollies woeful effort to make a simple pass to Barkley. Ollie's season is slowly disappearing down the plug hole. Playing Cash as a wing back highlights a huge problem we have on that right side. How have we ended up with a centre back at right back and medium quality right back at right wing? Questions have to be asked of our recruitment policy in the summer. On the plus side Durans header was outstanding, Kamara is looking an absolute top drawer player in his position and that save by Emi Martinez was incredible. He's fast becoming the best keeper I've ever seen play for the Villa.
You say that the foul on Cash for their winner was 'blatant' but how many of our players questioned the challenge? I can't see any that did, not even Cash.
Again, we've got to be a bit more sussed. Ok, it might not have made a difference but it might have put a seed of doubt in the ref's mind at least.
Sure, I hope that some of this can be raised with the players. We don't always have to be nice.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2024, 09:26:31 AM
I was writing a response agreeing with you when you put this.Just watched the re-run of motd and it's still painful to see. The foul on Cash for their winner is so blatant it's laughable that the ref missed it. But the series of blunders by our players leading up to it are just as painful to see but it's actually worse as they didn't go back as far as Ollies woeful effort to make a simple pass to Barkley. Ollie's season is slowly disappearing down the plug hole. Playing Cash as a wing back highlights a huge problem we have on that right side. How have we ended up with a centre back at right back and medium quality right back at right wing? Questions have to be asked of our recruitment policy in the summer. On the plus side Durans header was outstanding, Kamara is looking an absolute top drawer player in his position and that save by Emi Martinez was incredible. He's fast becoming the best keeper I've ever seen play for the Villa.
You say that the foul on Cash for their winner was 'blatant' but how many of our players questioned the challenge? I can't see any that did, not even Cash.
Again, we've got to be a bit more sussed. Ok, it might not have made a difference but it might have put a seed of doubt in the ref's mind at least.
Sure, I hope that some of this can be raised with the players. We don't always have to be nice.
Does it come from Unai? He never moans about decisions.
Post by: PeterWithe on December 15, 2024, 09:36:15 AM
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Post by: Ian. on December 15, 2024, 09:48:15 AM
Theo Walcott on MOTD discussing their second goal. "I think it's a foul - but I don't want to see goals chalked off for that"! Eh? It's either a foul or its not!
It’s like the none penalty, anywhere else on the pitch it’s a foul, in the box the ref and VaR let it go. That was so clear and obvious VAR should not have even have been required.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2024, 10:00:54 AM
Theo Walcott on MOTD discussing their second goal. "I think it's a foul - but I don't want to see goals chalked off for that"! Eh? It's either a foul or its not!
I know yeah. Basically, ‘it’s a foul but we should abolish free licks’.
Post by: VillaTim on December 15, 2024, 10:01:31 AM
Reflecting back fatigue did us and the subs that came on offered next to nothing.
Disappointing as I didn't think much of Forest , if they are 4th there is hope for all.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2024, 10:03:55 AM
On about 78/79 minutes I was thinking we just can't keep hold of the ball we kept giving it back to them cheaply.
Reflecting back fatigue did us and the subs that came on offered next to nothing.
Disappointing as I didn't think much of Forest , if they are 4th there is hope for all.
There really is. We’re not alone in our struggles.
Post by: john2710 on December 15, 2024, 10:13:15 AM
Then when Forest up the tempo & press, we tired & couldn't cope. And it's not the first time. The ref was complicit, in that he seemed to let everything go but we have a soft core. If we don't address this our season will falter.
Duran's improvement & contribution this season has masked the issues we have in attack. Everything else about our attacking play is weaker than last season.
We visit Newcastle on Boxing day & you can write the script for that game now. They'll simply out muscle us.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on December 15, 2024, 10:16:52 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2024, 10:21:50 AM
The pen would have put us one up, but we went one up anyway. The equaliser is much more ‘clutch’.
Then the foul for the winner.
We was robbed.
Post by: brontebilly on December 15, 2024, 10:36:18 AM
Even at 1-0 up with five minutes to go I didn't feel that we would win. We not only have a soft underbelly but we seem to lack nous, we're not streetwise. I've seen it so many times when opposition teams kill the game with a hold up in play, here, multiple staggered substitutions, there.That's an excellent point. When Cash was fouled for their second the commentator said "that's going to be a foul" But when the ref didn't give it he said "there's not much protest from the players" which highlights your point. Imagine if that was Arsenal or Chelsea for instance they would have been screaming in the ref's face and most likely forced him to blow his whistle.
When you are winning and the opposition have the wind in their sails and all the momentum, disrupt the game in any way you can, stop the momentum at all costs.
Don't be so bleeding accommodating!
After the VAR call went against Forest I just knew the weak ref would give them a decision to balance it up. The VAR decision galvanised the Forest team and support. They had ran out of ideas up to then.
We needed to empty the bench at that point but Emery sat on his hands far too long.
Post by: django on December 15, 2024, 10:39:47 AM
As a whole this season we’re struggling at both ends of the pitch. We rarely build up any momentum any more to put the opposition under sustained pressure. When we come under that sort of pressure we are making costly mistakes.
I think the loss of form of Bailey, unavailability of Ramsey and Philogene’s currently being a significant downgrade on Diaby is a huge part of this. We’re so ineffective out wide, it leaves us building too slowly and doesn’t give us the out ball to relieve pressure. Our defenders and even Martinez have made frequent mistakes but if we could keep the ball down the other end more often we’d have picked up another 4-5 points easily this season.
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on December 15, 2024, 10:41:25 AM
Post by: john2710 on December 15, 2024, 10:42:57 AM
As someone said earlier, giving the corner they equalised from instead of the blatant offside was the worst decision.
The linesman's roll in the game has practically gone with the introduction of VAR. They simply opt out of making any decisions with regard to offside.
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on December 15, 2024, 10:47:22 AM
I look back at the game and see that they had the ball in the net three times with one being marginal offside, thay had another effort that was stopped on the line by pure brilliance. We had one effort all day that produced a goal, after that nothing. I would say that points to them being the better side.
Yep, they tried to win it and it paid off for them. We were passively shite once we scored and got what we deserved, fuck all.
Post by: taylorsworkrate on December 15, 2024, 10:54:14 AM
Just watched MOTD - how the feck was that not a foul on Cash?
It wasn't. We'd be fuming if that was given as a foul the other way
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on December 15, 2024, 10:58:19 AM
Just watched MOTD - how the feck was that not a foul on Cash?
It wasn't. We'd be fuming if that was given as a foul the other way
We'll have to agree to disagree. I thought it was a foul all day long.
Post by: john2710 on December 15, 2024, 11:01:27 AM
Just watched MOTD - how the feck was that not a foul on Cash?
It wasn't. We'd be fuming if that was given as a foul the other way
Other than the elbow to the neck, shove in the back, I'd agree with you.
The refs view was blocked & VAR bottled it.
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on December 15, 2024, 11:12:34 AM
Yes, Cash was fouled in the build up for their winner. Yes, the ref was bad all game but this is all getting a bit repetitive and predictable now.If that had been the other way round, we would have claimed that Cash was muscled off the ball. And we were lucky with the disallowed goal which took too long for VAR. They outfought us all game and that is worrying. Forest aren't in a false position though
We spurn way too many chances and if we keep conceding 2 goals a game we’ll finish the season behind the likes of Forest who aren’t a particularly talented team - they just try harder than us and that I just can’t accept.
Post by: brontebilly on December 15, 2024, 11:22:33 AM
Yes, Cash was fouled in the build up for their winner. Yes, the ref was bad all game but this is all getting a bit repetitive and predictable now.If that had been the other way round, we would have claimed that Cash was muscled off the ball. And we were lucky with the disallowed goal which took too long for VAR. They outfought us all game and that is worrying. Forest aren't in a false position though
We spurn way too many chances and if we keep conceding 2 goals a game we’ll finish the season behind the likes of Forest who aren’t a particularly talented team - they just try harder than us and that I just can’t accept.
They outfought us all game? After an utterly forgettable first half for both teams, I thought we were comfortably the better side until their late surge. The offside call is an objective one, granted it was very tight, luck doesn't really come into it.
It's the second game in a week where we collapsed late on at the back. Fortunate to get away with it in Leipzig maybe a bit unfortunate at Forest. But if we continue with Konsa<Carlos<Torres we aren't going to threaten anything this season.
Post by: The Edge on December 15, 2024, 11:53:41 AM
It was.Just watched MOTD - how the feck was that not a foul on Cash?
It wasn't. We'd be fuming if that was given as a foul the other way
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 15, 2024, 12:16:27 PM
Post by: Villa Lew on December 15, 2024, 12:30:19 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on December 15, 2024, 12:36:46 PM
Another concern is apart from Ollie, Jhon and Morgan, where are the goals coming from, no league goals from Bailey or McGinn this season.
Bailey’s sluggish start to the season and the failure of Philogene to step up has disrupted us all season. That’s why we’re playing Cash as a makeshift midfielder. The left side has functioned reasonably well due to the form of Digne but too often our right hand side is a dead end.
Post by: john e on December 15, 2024, 12:46:09 PM
We do get the foul sometimes but to often the ref says play on and we lose possession because we weren’t strong enough
Cash, Konsa, Tielemans, Watkins, Rogers, even Duran tries it on they’re all culprit’s
a poster earlier said Forest played with more heart, and he’s right we are to lightweight to often and a lot of it is our own mindset we need to be stronger and far more determined and less of the phoney piss pooling about on the floor all the time
This is not a reaction to the Cash tackle, I thought it was a foul but even he was looking for it and it cost us
Post by: oldtimernow on December 15, 2024, 01:16:46 PM
Very disappointing, hate losing to a last minute goal.
see also Bournemouth...
Post by: pelty on December 15, 2024, 01:57:23 PM
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Post by: pelty on December 15, 2024, 02:04:57 PM
Konsa is beginning to get on my nerves. He's no leader at the back and is shaky with the ball at his feet, always playing for a dubious free kick when he's pressured.
Agree that Konsa does not seem to be much of a vocal leader, but I think Konsa is one of the least of our concerns defensively.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 15, 2024, 02:08:19 PM
Konsa is beginning to get on my nerves. He's no leader at the back and is shaky with the ball at his feet, always playing for a dubious free kick when he's pressured.
Agree that Konsa does not seem to be much of a vocal leader, but I think Konsa is one of the least of our concerns defensively.
He has been pretty poor recently.
Post by: pelty on December 15, 2024, 02:12:16 PM
Konsa is beginning to get on my nerves. He's no leader at the back and is shaky with the ball at his feet, always playing for a dubious free kick when he's pressured.
Agree that Konsa does not seem to be much of a vocal leader, but I think Konsa is one of the least of our concerns defensively.
He has been pretty poor recently.
Has he been poor as a CB? I can recall some shaky RB performances but nothing stands out too much when he has been in his preferred position. I may be forgetting something, though.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 15, 2024, 02:21:50 PM
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Post by: brontebilly on December 15, 2024, 02:39:32 PM
Konsa is beginning to get on my nerves. He's no leader at the back and is shaky with the ball at his feet, always playing for a dubious free kick when he's pressured.
Agree that Konsa does not seem to be much of a vocal leader, but I think Konsa is one of the least of our concerns defensively.
He's vocal alright. Waving arms and pointing fingers at other players lately. Not sure Mings would stand for it.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 15, 2024, 02:45:08 PM
Post by: martin o`who?? on December 15, 2024, 02:55:36 PM
Why do Villa seem to have a perpetual problem at right back? MO’N bought about 40 Right Backs and he still played Mellberg there.and Carlos Cuellar.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 15, 2024, 03:29:44 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on December 15, 2024, 03:50:36 PM
We desperately need a GOOD one right now, but as to 'who' that would be..... I don't have a clue!
Post by: eamonn on December 15, 2024, 04:55:13 PM
And Craig Gardner.
I liked Luke Young
Post by: aj2k77 on December 15, 2024, 04:58:14 PM
Post by: brontebilly on December 15, 2024, 05:00:02 PM
And Craig Gardner.
I liked Luke Young
MON moved him to left back! Reo Coker and Milner also played RB on occasion under MON. Bought habib beye and never played him.
Post by: darren woolley on December 15, 2024, 05:02:05 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 15, 2024, 05:03:07 PM
Konsa has been shite this season.
I still aint got over that Ipswich brainfart . hes dropped a level but playing RB is not helping.
Post by: KevinGage on December 15, 2024, 05:04:52 PM
Anyone seeing the save beforehand would say no, probably not.
But he looked like he was in pain when he saved a shot against Leipzig late on.
And hairline fractures don't get a chance to heal if you're playing Wed > Sat Tue > Sat.
Post by: brontebilly on December 15, 2024, 05:10:51 PM
I do wonder with Emi whether the hand injury affected him for the first goal.
Anyone seeing the save beforehand would say no, probably not.
But he looked like he was in pain when he saved a shot against Leipzig late on.
And hairline fractures don't get a chance to heal if you're playing Wed > Sat Tue > Sat.
He just made a mess of it. But we shouldn't be expecting our keeper to save shots from inside 5 yards. Martinez faced three of them and saved one.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 15, 2024, 07:39:03 PM
.what a complete collapse 😔
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 15, 2024, 07:52:34 PM
Even nore infuriating now that spurs and manure ahve won
.what a complete collapse 😔
But less infuriating now because Man City lost and Brentford are losing?
Post by: Demitri_C on December 15, 2024, 08:02:29 PM
Even nore infuriating now that spurs and manure ahve won
.what a complete collapse 😔
But less infuriating now because Man City lost and Brentford are losing?
Its only a matter of time till city become good and i expect them to come good or spend big in jan to become better. I think city will finish above one. Brentford one if ends like that helps but still i think spurs and manure are a bigger threat
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 15, 2024, 10:30:18 PM
So you focus on the things that haven't gone in our favour and ignore the things that. You do love a bit of a catastrophe scenarioEven nore infuriating now that spurs and manure ahve won
.what a complete collapse 😔
But less infuriating now because Man City lost and Brentford are losing?
Its only a matter of time till city become good and i expect them to come good or spend big in jan to become better. I think city will finish above one. Brentford one if ends like that helps but still i think spurs and manure are a bigger threat
Post by: Villan82 on December 15, 2024, 10:52:56 PM
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Post by: PhilVill on December 16, 2024, 06:17:01 AM
Still sickened we lost this.
Yeah, I'm still annoyed now. We should have seen that game out with ease. Feels like a big moment in the season that one...
Post by: sid1964 on December 16, 2024, 07:10:51 AM
We now have a tough couple of games with City and Newcastle, hopefully we will get back to winning ways on Saturday.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 16, 2024, 07:51:48 AM
Agree - it was such a disappointing loss - from the moment that their goal was ruled offside for VAR, they seemed to take over the game and we as a team could not cope with the pressure that was put on us.It was the total collapse that is really concerning and not the first time this season.
We now have a tough couple of games with City and Newcastle, hopefully we will get back to winning ways on Saturday.
Gutless.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 16, 2024, 10:28:57 AM
So you focus on the things that haven't gone in our favour and ignore the things that. You do love a bit of a catastrophe scenarioEven nore infuriating now that spurs and manure ahve won
.what a complete collapse 😔
But less infuriating now because Man City lost and Brentford are losing?
Its only a matter of time till city become good and i expect them to come good or spend big in jan to become better. I think city will finish above one. Brentford one if ends like that helps but still i think spurs and manure are a bigger threat
Not really
A catastrophe scenerio would for example be saying we will pick up 5 injuries, martinez and kamara will ask to leave in January, i think we will finish 15th go out of CL in play offs and get spanked by west ham in fa cup.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 16, 2024, 10:51:43 AM
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