Nottingham Forest vs Aston Villa post-match thread

[Demitri_C]

I don’t understand the love for Kamara.
He is neat and tidy but IMO doesn’t add to our attacking flow.

Probably the one player i wouldnt criticise  as he has done very well since coming back. Its just most of the shit around him

[Bobby Boy]

Even at 1-0 up with five minutes to go I didn't feel that we would win. We not only have a soft underbelly but we seem to lack nous, we're not streetwise. I've seen it so many times when opposition teams kill the game with a hold up in play, here, multiple staggered substitutions, there.

When you are winning and the opposition have the wind in their sails and all the momentum, disrupt the game in any way you can, stop the momentum at all costs.

Don't be so bleeding accommodating!

[ROBBO]

Durans header was superb, he should in time be a classic centre forward, he has all the potential but he doesn't hold the ball up as good as Watkins. Still like him to come on at sixty minutes and scare the crap out of the opposition.

[Paul.S]

I look back at the game and see that they had the ball in the net three times with one being marginal offside, thay had another effort that was stopped on the line by pure brilliance. We had one effort all day that produced a goal, after that nothing. I would say that points to them being the better side.

I look back at that game and see that they had a goal correctly disallowed for offside. I saw our brilliant keeper make a brilliant save which is what he's there for after all. I saw a penalty not given which should have been. I saw a winning goal that came directly from a blatant foul on our player. This does not make them a better side than us. It means that the marginal decisions went in their favour. If they're above us come the end of the season I'll concede that they're the better side but I'd take a £50 bet with anyone that they won't be.

I don’t even want to watch it back. The standard of refereeing in this league is appalling with absolutely no consistency.
The reason we lost is because we can’t defend and they can. We were and are the better team but when we keep shooting ourselves in the foot game after game we will end up mid table or just above.

[Chris Smith]

The mind numbing slow play at the back does my head in, from Emi onwards, most puzzlingt was how with just a couple of minutes injury time left we were still playing pass the ball in midfield.

It was when we went away from this that the panic set in. We won so many away games last season playing just like that but for no obvious reason the players collectively went to pot yesterday for the last few minutes.

[The Edge]

Just watched the re-run of motd and it's still painful to see. The foul on Cash for their winner is so blatant it's laughable that the ref missed it. But the series of blunders by our players leading up to it are just as painful to see but it's actually worse as they didn't go back as far as Ollies woeful effort to make a simple pass to Barkley. Ollie's season is slowly disappearing down the plug hole. Playing Cash as a wing back highlights a huge problem we have on that right side. How have we ended up with a centre back at right back and medium quality right back at right wing? Questions have to be asked of our recruitment policy in the summer. On the plus side Durans header was outstanding, Kamara is looking an absolute top drawer player in his position and that save by Emi Martinez was incredible. He's fast becoming the best keeper I've ever seen play for the Villa.

[Bobby Boy]

Just watched the re-run of motd and it's still painful to see. The foul on Cash for their winner is so blatant it's laughable that the ref missed it. But the series of blunders by our players leading up to it are just as painful to see but it's actually worse as they didn't go back as far as Ollies woeful effort to make a simple pass to Barkley. Ollie's season is slowly disappearing down the plug hole. Playing Cash as a wing back highlights a huge problem we have on that right side. How have we ended up with a centre back at right back and medium quality right back at right wing? Questions have to be asked of our recruitment policy in the summer. On the plus side Durans header was outstanding, Kamara is looking an absolute top drawer player in his position and that save by Emi Martinez was incredible. He's fast becoming the best keeper I've ever seen play for the Villa.

You say that the foul on Cash for their winner was 'blatant' but how many of our players questioned the challenge? I can't see any that did, not even Cash.

Again, we've got to be a bit more sussed. Ok, it might not have made a difference but it might have put a seed of doubt in the ref's mind at least.

[The Edge]

Even at 1-0 up with five minutes to go I didn't feel that we would win. We not only have a soft underbelly but we seem to lack nous, we're not streetwise. I've seen it so many times when opposition teams kill the game with a hold up in play, here, multiple staggered substitutions, there.

When you are winning and the opposition have the wind in their sails and all the momentum, disrupt the game in any way you can, stop the momentum at all costs.

Don't be so bleeding accommodating!

That's an excellent point. When Cash was fouled for their second the commentator said "that's going to be a foul" But when the ref didn't give it he said "there's not much protest from the players" which highlights your point. Imagine if that was Arsenal or Chelsea for instance they would have been screaming in the ref's face and most likely forced him to blow his whistle.

[The Edge]

Just watched the re-run of motd and it's still painful to see. The foul on Cash for their winner is so blatant it's laughable that the ref missed it. But the series of blunders by our players leading up to it are just as painful to see but it's actually worse as they didn't go back as far as Ollies woeful effort to make a simple pass to Barkley. Ollie's season is slowly disappearing down the plug hole. Playing Cash as a wing back highlights a huge problem we have on that right side. How have we ended up with a centre back at right back and medium quality right back at right wing? Questions have to be asked of our recruitment policy in the summer. On the plus side Durans header was outstanding, Kamara is looking an absolute top drawer player in his position and that save by Emi Martinez was incredible. He's fast becoming the best keeper I've ever seen play for the Villa.

You say that the foul on Cash for their winner was 'blatant' but how many of our players questioned the challenge? I can't see any that did, not even Cash.

Again, we've got to be a bit more sussed. Ok, it might not have made a difference but it might have put a seed of doubt in the ref's mind at least.

I was writing a response agreeing with you when you put this.

[Bobby Boy]

Just watched the re-run of motd and it's still painful to see. The foul on Cash for their winner is so blatant it's laughable that the ref missed it. But the series of blunders by our players leading up to it are just as painful to see but it's actually worse as they didn't go back as far as Ollies woeful effort to make a simple pass to Barkley. Ollie's season is slowly disappearing down the plug hole. Playing Cash as a wing back highlights a huge problem we have on that right side. How have we ended up with a centre back at right back and medium quality right back at right wing? Questions have to be asked of our recruitment policy in the summer. On the plus side Durans header was outstanding, Kamara is looking an absolute top drawer player in his position and that save by Emi Martinez was incredible. He's fast becoming the best keeper I've ever seen play for the Villa.

You say that the foul on Cash for their winner was 'blatant' but how many of our players questioned the challenge? I can't see any that did, not even Cash.

Again, we've got to be a bit more sussed. Ok, it might not have made a difference but it might have put a seed of doubt in the ref's mind at least.

I was writing a response agreeing with you when you put this.

Sure, I hope that some of this can be raised with the players. We don't always have to be nice.

[Percy McCarthy]

Just watched the re-run of motd and it's still painful to see. The foul on Cash for their winner is so blatant it's laughable that the ref missed it. But the series of blunders by our players leading up to it are just as painful to see but it's actually worse as they didn't go back as far as Ollies woeful effort to make a simple pass to Barkley. Ollie's season is slowly disappearing down the plug hole. Playing Cash as a wing back highlights a huge problem we have on that right side. How have we ended up with a centre back at right back and medium quality right back at right wing? Questions have to be asked of our recruitment policy in the summer. On the plus side Durans header was outstanding, Kamara is looking an absolute top drawer player in his position and that save by Emi Martinez was incredible. He's fast becoming the best keeper I've ever seen play for the Villa.

You say that the foul on Cash for their winner was 'blatant' but how many of our players questioned the challenge? I can't see any that did, not even Cash.

Again, we've got to be a bit more sussed. Ok, it might not have made a difference but it might have put a seed of doubt in the ref's mind at least.

I was writing a response agreeing with you when you put this.

Sure, I hope that some of this can be raised with the players. We don't always have to be nice.

Does it come from Unai? He never moans about decisions.

[PeterWithe]

Thought we were in control for most of the game without looking particularly threatening going forward, for most of UE reign we keep it tight, keep the ball and we win ugly. But something is awry. We looked to have things sewn up when Onana and Kamara were on, but when the latter goes off suddenly Gibbs-White is able find space between the lines to pick passes and they build a head of steam.

[baddowvillans]

Theo Walcott on MOTD discussing their second goal.  "I think it's a foul - but I don't want to see goals chalked off for that"!  Eh?  It's either a foul or its not!

[Clampy]

In hindsight, I think putting Maatsen on in front of Digne for the last 15 mins or so would have been a good idea. From memory, their disallowed goal and the equaliser came from crosses from that side of the pitch. It needn't have a defensive move, he could have played as a wide midfielder and given us another option instead of just keeping the ball.

[Ian.]

Theo Walcott on MOTD discussing their second goal.  "I think it's a foul - but I don't want to see goals chalked off for that"!  Eh?  It's either a foul or its not!

It’s like the none penalty, anywhere else on the pitch it’s a foul, in the box the ref and VaR let it go. That was so clear and obvious VAR should not have even have been required.