Nottingham Forest vs Aston Villa post-match thread

[villadelph]

Emery completely outdone by Nuno.

Ridiculous statement.

One manager made subs that changed the game, the other made subs that made us worse. How ridiculous.

He brought on Onana, Watkins and Maatsen.. how could anybody complain about that at the time?

[Stinkin_Thinkin]

could he of staggard the subs more to run down the clock?

[BC54 VFC]

We really need to stop dropping to the ground at every challenge and waiting for the whistle. Every single fucking game. All game today. Play to the whistle. Keep after the ball.
There were 2-3 challenges just before the one on Cash prior to their winner. Every time we just let Forest carry on hoping the ref would blow. He didn't.
Stop trying to fucking cheat and play the game.

Yes the Rogers penalty incident was arguably a foul but he could easily have kept on his feet and got a cross in. No, he falls to the ground and Forest retrieve it.

Really frustrating way to lose a game that we'd taken control in with the goal.

That's my biggest bugbear about todays game. It's one of the most annoying things we continue to do every single game too. Are other teams this bad? Because we don't tend to see the opponents doing this anywhere near as much as we do.

Well said. Some of our players need to grow some balls and play like men, rather than little nancy boys.

[Percy McCarthy]

The centre of defence is a shambles .
Konsa isn't a RB
Cash isn't a midfielder.

Square pegs in round holes .

It's not just about the defence though. We have the ball on the edge of their box and Watkins has a simple pass on for Barkley. He completely messed it up. That was followed by another four times when we got the ball back only to give it away every time. Cash was involved in three of them. But the clear foul on Cash was the clincher.

Even before that I think it's Carlos launching the ball when we really should be keeping hold of it

That was for their disallowed one. I said it was Carlos’ fault to the babby before we got away with it. But this is the dilemma. People say ‘just clear your lines’, but that was what he did there and the next minute they’re scoring. We also did fifteen minutes of just clearing our lines before that late Bournemouth equaliser.

 The winner was all Cash though. Fucked up 3 times in the build up. Actually that’s unfair, the last one was a foul rather than a fuck up.

[SoccerHQ]

No that’s just it, the league position is ok. But no one watching us, particularly tonight, can look at that and think we’re a side who’s going to compete at the top. We need to improve a lot at both ends of the pitch.

It was always going to be a big ask with combining CL especially with two extra games.

Do people think Newcastle just dropped off last season because Howe is a terrible manager?

Last season going 1-0 up in this type of game we either see it out or get a second and control things from there.

This season we had a tough midweek away game and at 1-0 it was certainly a mentality of conserve energy and try to get the 1-0 just holding positions behind the ball.

I do think we could've made the second double sub change earlier, good time to do it would've been after their goal was disallowed.

[RichardBatchelor]

We're still only 3 pts off top 4.

Could be 5 after tomorrow, but I still think we can qualify for the CL.

Badly need to sort the defence out though.

Man City next. We know how accommodating we are at ending bad runs. And then Brighton who are as Jekyll & Hyde as us.

It’s okay though.

Unai Emery is on the right track and success is never a straight line. I’m beginning to suspect that this season will be preparation for the future, with some big night such as Bayern and Leipzig thrown in.

[BC54 VFC]

could he of staggard the subs more to run down the clock?

Oh deer 

[eamonn]

Had a bad feeling when Elanga came on. We're shite at defending pace with intent. Our two subs, Barkley and Maatsen, ball-watching as the cut-back comes in for the winner. Elanga completely free. To concede three goals (one chalked-off, fortunately) in 15 minutes when the opposition has to score and we just have to keep them out, is nothing short of embarrassing. I know Emery never digs his players out in interviews but he's put together strong defences before. Sort it the fuck our, man. We've had a year of this shite now.

[paul_e]

We really need to stop dropping to the ground at every challenge and waiting for the whistle. Every single fucking game. All game today. Play to the whistle. Keep after the ball.
There were 2-3 challenges just before the one on Cash prior to their winner. Every time we just let Forest carry on hoping the ref would blow. He didn't.
Stop trying to fucking cheat and play the game.

Yes the Rogers penalty incident was arguably a foul but he could easily have kept on his feet and got a cross in. No, he falls to the ground and Forest retrieve it.

Really frustrating way to lose a game that we'd taken control in with the goal.

That's my biggest bugbear about todays game. It's one of the most annoying things we continue to do every single game too. Are other teams this bad? Because we don't tend to see the opponents doing this anywhere near as much as we do.

Well said. Some of our players need to grow some balls and play like men, rather than little nancy boys.

Fuck right off with that bullshit.

[adrenachrome]

Yes, Cash was fouled in the build up for their winner. Yes, the ref was bad all game but this is all getting a bit repetitive and predictable now.

We spurn way too many chances and if we keep conceding 2 goals a game we’ll finish the season behind the likes of Forest who aren’t a particularly talented team - they just try harder than us and that I just can’t accept.

Never a foul in a million years

Cash was pushed over. Watch it again if you can. Blatant.

Absolutely not. Cash embarrassed himself twice in the space of 30 seconds

Yep. The first incident probably determined the ref's decision on the second.

[pauliewalnuts]

We really need to stop dropping to the ground at every challenge and waiting for the whistle. Every single fucking game. All game today. Play to the whistle. Keep after the ball.
There were 2-3 challenges just before the one on Cash prior to their winner. Every time we just let Forest carry on hoping the ref would blow. He didn't.
Stop trying to fucking cheat and play the game.

Yes the Rogers penalty incident was arguably a foul but he could easily have kept on his feet and got a cross in. No, he falls to the ground and Forest retrieve it.

Really frustrating way to lose a game that we'd taken control in with the goal.

That's my biggest bugbear about todays game. It's one of the most annoying things we continue to do every single game too. Are other teams this bad? Because we don't tend to see the opponents doing this anywhere near as much as we do.

Well said. Some of our players need to grow some balls and play like men, rather than little nancy boys.

66 years old? Maybe show some maturity.

[brontebilly]

Here’s the thing, Emery will probably say we were in control of the game and they didn’t pose much of a threat and he’s mostly right. However, we all knew this would probably happen and the fact that it does and it’s all so predictable and we can’t change it is the most frustrating part.

We couldn't defend our box when they finally put a bit of pressure on. Martinez miracle save, the VAR shout...we crumbled again late on at the back like we did during the week.

I thought Emery had a nightmare on the line too. Cash and Digne were out on their feet and should have been replaced early in the second half, earlier in the case of Digne. Rogers also should have been hooked. It's a sickener as we played our best football for a spell after going 1-0 up.

Martinez 8 - will be sick as both goals went through him, granted both from a couple of yards out so would have been miracle saves. Unbelievable save obviously but I also thought he was a lot more decisive around the box tonight.
Konsa 5 - did ok defensively against CHO I guess but Cuellar-esque on the ball. Painful to watch. A share of blame in the circus at end.
Carlos 6 - an easy night until late on
Torres 5 - average with the ball again, made one fine headed clearance but pathetic for first goal
Digne 6 - very good for first 60 mins or so but visibly tired and under pressure as soon as Elanga came on
Kamara 7 - very good in the main, especially as he had to play by himself in midfield until Onana came in, but lost his man for first goal
Tielemans 3 - a ghost, fortunate not to be hooked at the break, offered absolutely nothing
Cash 5 - lots of energy but very little quality. Visibly tired and shouldnt have been still on the pitch for the mess at end. Was a foul though.
McGinn 8 - outstanding second half, a warrior tonight when very few stood up. Quality assist
Rogers 5 - extra point for run for goal but lost the ball far too often and again asleep at back post for the miracle save by Martinez
Duran 7 - bit of a ghost until a goal of outstanding quality

Watkins and Onana were decent I thought. Maatsen lost Elanga for the winner. Barkley was tidy. Emery should have had 5 subs on inside 75 mins.

[paul_e]

Yes, Cash was fouled in the build up for their winner. Yes, the ref was bad all game but this is all getting a bit repetitive and predictable now.

We spurn way too many chances and if we keep conceding 2 goals a game we’ll finish the season behind the likes of Forest who aren’t a particularly talented team - they just try harder than us and that I just can’t accept.

Never a foul in a million years

Cash was pushed over. Watch it again if you can. Blatant.

Absolutely not. Cash embarrassed himself twice in the space of 30 seconds

Yep. The first incident probably determined the ref's decision on the second.

It was absolutely a foul, whether he got something on the ball or not he only got near it by clattering into the back of Cash.

[Percy McCarthy]

Disappointing but Kamara was outstanding again.

Yes he certainly was so I'm baffled as to why he was subbed for Barkley on 90 minutes. If you can't win it don't lose it and I think if he'd still been on we probably wouldn't have lost that.

Their second stemmed from a long ball from Konsa I think into their half when there was a pass that would've kept possession. We lose it and they go on to score. It's brainless defending and it has to stop.

It seems that a lot of fans don’t notice things like that.

[Nunkin1965]

We didn't create anywhere near enough today chances wise.