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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on November 09, 2012, 06:56:23 PM
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Available Saturday night.
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Devestating, but lots of positives. Benteke and Weimann superb.
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gutted and proud
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Good overall performance, desperately unlucky.
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We've lost a point on Reading, Southampton and Swansea and not lost anything on Sunderland and QPR is perhaps the best, if not most positive, way of looking at it!
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Heartbroken but I think I just make out a little chink of light at the end of a very long tunnel.
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Not surprised by that but still a bit gutted. I think we still need to keep this 4-3-3 formation though. Ireland, Weimann and Tekkers all brilliant.
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Well, horrible. Absolutely gutted to be honest. However.. average team age of about 23 and with only two players in the team who have any real Premiership experience at all we can be proud of the performance. We didn't deserve to lose, though. I feel for the lads who put in everything out there. I also feel a bit sick.
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The team we played was correct. I like the midfield trio of Ireland, Westwood and Bannan.
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Gutted but not surprised. Very proud of how we played tonight.
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Well played to the lot of our players. We don't have as many good players as them. Got more than i expected out of the game, ie. nothing but with the added bonus of a great performance and the look as if we now believe we can score. We go again next week.
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I feel sick.
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I hate those flukey c*ntbuckets.
Other than that, I can't really fault anyone in our starting 11. They did not deserve to lose that.
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Cried....says it all :'(
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Based on that performance, we'll win more than we lose.
Jammy, scummy twats and tourists can count themselves lucky tonight. Wankers!
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Bollocks. We didn't deserve that. If you play like that all the time we will win more than we lose.
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Very proud of our boys. Up the Villa.
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Well done Villa we just need that wanker Barry Fry to come and piss in the four corners before we play these spawny mancunian wankers again hopefully some of the guys today will realise we can compete with any one and luck will favour the brave especially the brave lion
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Is it still terribly bad sportsmanship to do the 'it's over' hand gesture when it's Ferguson who does it? Or is it so only when other managers do it? The ungracious twat.
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Why can't we conquer the last 5-min thing? Seen it so many times now it is not funny.
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Well played Villa, Lambert's building something here.
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That felt strangely similar to when we played them under Houllier. Similar goals too.
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Sick, very sick, it keeps happening, pretty much every time we play them. We could have won, should have won, we didnt. I think our players believe the MUFC propoganda, if they didnt they would have won that.
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If only Ireland could last a game .
Great spirit by all. At 2-2 I thought we would get the point , as we looked solid enough , but KEA losing the ball and giving the FK away was stupid .
Benteke is ace , Weimann was poor then looked a demon . Vlarr was great. I really like Howton and Enda did well to be fair.
I think we will be ok this season.
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Well played def..We can do better!! and we will!
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I hate those flukey c*ntbuckets.
Other than that, I can't really fault anyone in our starting 11. They did not deserve to lose that.
It's not fluke though, they wanted to win more. They needed goals so they pushed forward. We only played on the offensive at 3-2. Before then we were counter attacking.
Don't get me wrong, we played pretty well I guess. We lead 2-0. But who cares if you still end up losing? We have lost far too many leads over the years that I (A) find it hard to sympathise for the team and (B) don't think anything will change because it ALWAYS happens.
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I can handle the defeats. It's the hope that kills me I can't deal with that.
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Gutted to know that either Man.Utd or Man.City will buy Benteke of us for £30 million in 4 years
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That felt strangely similar to when we played them under Houllier. Similar goals too.
The difference is Houllier was in the process of destroying a team, Lambert is in the process of building one
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At least the next game is at a ground we like to win @! 4-2
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Completely gutted but lot of good to take from that. If we'd been against any other team we'd win - Manure fucktards are masters of coming from behind. We can be proud on how the lads played.
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Gutted to know that either Man.Utd or Man.City will buy Benteke of us for £30 million in 4 years
I hope there's no release clause in his contract. Either that or it's mahoosive.
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The difference is the quantity of quality at disposal to each team. We have some, they have loads. Momentum and tenacity gets you so far but we played at our 5th gear for 60 minutes. Difference is they moved to levels that we don't have and their bench is just so much deeper, stronger and experienced. We'll continue to develop, they are close to the finished article. Lots of positives even in defeat.
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Gave it our best shot and nearly matched one of Europeans top clubs- we deserved a draw but should take great confidence from this display- a brave performance from a young side still learning- onwards and upwards!
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We've been here before. What is it about Villa Park that sees Fergie get points season-in, season-out?
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Well they were the better side so can't moan too much. Could have been 3-5
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That felt strangely similar to when we played them under Houllier. Similar goals too.
The difference is Houllier was in the process of destroying a team, Lambert is in the process of building one
bit unfair to say that Houllier had deals for Ba and Cabaye and was going to get rid of all the jokers!
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I hate those flukey c*ntbuckets.
Other than that, I can't really fault anyone in our starting 11. They did not deserve to lose that.
It's not fluke though, they wanted to win more. They needed goals so they pushed forward. We only played on the offensive at 3-2. Before then we were counter attacking.
Don't get me wrong, we played pretty well I guess. We lead 2-0. But who cares if you still end up losing? We have lost far too many leads over the years that I (A) find it hard to sympathise for the team and (B) don't think anything will change because it ALWAYS happens.
Would you prefer a repeat of the 1-0 defeat last season were Manure didn't even have to leave first gear to stroll to victory? And if always happens, how do we manage to win sometimes?
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I guess the positive is, only a title chasing side would've beaten us playing like that. We need to stay positive, we're not far from being a very good side, we just came up against a side who are consistently among the best in europe (at least for the last 20 odd years) who don't know when they've been beaten.
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Pretty standard fare when it comes to Manure to be honest. God knows why their fans always act like it's a surprise. It's like some shite movie you've seen a thousand times before. At least it wasn't like times in the past when we've just panicked like a bunch of headless chickens. It was all down to the fact that we can't defend but we knew that already. I've seen enough to know we won't go down. We'll have our day against those twats and I'll make damn sure I milk it for all it's worth.
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Play like that every week and i would be very happy.
Benteke played very well, Gabbys pace was a constant threat, as was Weimanns movement.The midfield 3 of Bannan, Westwood and Ireland looked very promising.We played against a better Ure team than i thought rednose would pick, and quite honestly didn't deserve to lose.
Much as i hate their supporters, i do admire their team, we matched them with kids, and thats very encouraging.Kept the ball very well today, and we have a bargain in Benteke.
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Disappointing yes, but that is how well we played. Defeat by one goal is a disappointment, we should have had something out of the game.
If we did anything wrong, the changes to midfield could have come earlier. We were always going to concede space and possession with Ireland and Bannan in there.
Big up to Weimann and Benteke, the whole team should be applauded.
Not impressed with ref getting straight into Guzan's face over timewasting before he'd barely had chance to indulge.
Jammy set of ref manipulators, but nothing new there.
Proud of the team. Boring Villa my arse.
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Proud of the lads, but would have loved to steal a point (to say nothing of all three).
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I hate those flukey c*ntbuckets.
Other than that, I can't really fault anyone in our starting 11. They did not deserve to lose that.
It's not fluke though, they wanted to win more. They needed goals so they pushed forward. We only played on the offensive at 3-2. Before then we were counter attacking.
Don't get me wrong, we played pretty well I guess. We lead 2-0. But who cares if you still end up losing? We have lost far too many leads over the years that I (A) find it hard to sympathise for the team and (B) don't think anything will change because it ALWAYS happens.
Would you prefer a repeat of the 1-0 defeat last season were Manure didn't even have to leave first gear to stroll to victory? And if always happens, how do we manage to win sometimes?
Why does it have to be one or the other?
My point is I'm not gonna be in the "ah well I'm proud of the lads despite the result blah blah blah" camp because I've seen that too many times. I'm sick of it. I follow football cause I wanna fucking win at least from time to time, not lose in the same fashion consistently.
It isn't just Man U is it? Let's be honest. I read we'd be 5th in the league if we held on to the leads we've had this season.
Not. Good. Enough.
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Annoying thing is, we'd have beaten any other team in the league today with that performance, but up against a bogey side...I expected nothing, was very, very happy with the way we went about the game and felt we justified something out of it. Man Yoo are a bunch of arses but you'd need to be six up on them with five minutes left if you're Villa at home.
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absolutely gutted. i hate those plastic wankers with all my bieng.
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It's like an every recurrent nightmare.
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if i was being picky i would maybe say we defended a bit too deep 2nd half & allowed them to pick a pass, but still thought the lads did us proud tonight! Can't fault the effort & got to say i feel proud of every one of them.
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That felt strangely similar to when we played them under Houllier. Similar goals too.
The difference is Houllier was in the process of destroying a team, Lambert is in the process of building one
bit unfair to say that Houllier had deals for Ba and Cabaye and was going to get rid of all the jokers!
Well he should have waited until he had the deals fixed before antagonising all the jokers who did ok before he arrived. Oh and do you remember Houllier's wankfest over them when they beat us at OT. Another gaffe.
Glad to see the Villa boys perform and have a go against the giants - it took a genuine World Class player to beat us. We need to make sure we build on this and not rest on the performance
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It's just so fucking predictable.
Has any side ever lost to another side after being 2-0 up as often as we have against those ******?
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Who was our player who lost Hernandez?
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Well, as usual they filled their season review DVD with drama at VIlla Park. It's beyond funny now though isn't it? Always the shitting same. We played well and I am proud of the display from such an inexperienced team. But at some point, we've got to become more than plucky losers against that bunch of glory hunting tossers.
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I hate those flukey c*ntbuckets.
Other than that, I can't really fault anyone in our starting 11. They did not deserve to lose that.
It's not fluke though, they wanted to win more. They needed goals so they pushed forward. We only played on the offensive at 3-2. Before then we were counter attacking.
Don't get me wrong, we played pretty well I guess. We lead 2-0. But who cares if you still end up losing? We have lost far too many leads over the years that I (A) find it hard to sympathise for the team and (B) don't think anything will change because it ALWAYS happens.
Don't be so fucking stupid. It's almost an entirely different team. It " ALWAYS happens" because its Man Utd and they do it to most teams. If we'd played shit & lost I could understand criticism but we didn't. It was an exciting display - what we were all begging for last year - and undone by a mixture of individual mistakes and their good players.
With that performance against even slightly less skilful opposition, we'll be absolutely fine.
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It's just so fucking predictable.
Has any side ever lost to another side after being 2-0 up as often as we have against those c***s?
Spurs probably. And we've only lost twice to them after being 2 up that I can remember.
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A word on Ireland, he isn't fit enough to play 90 minutes and hasn't been since he's been a Villa. Why?
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Sickening, absolutely gut wrenching..and always against these bunch of c*nts....
Still, we are improving without doubt and I like what he's doing..
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I can take no comfort from this, we are 2-0 up at home with 11 men on the pitch.
You should not lose to any one from there.
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No insults at each other please gents.
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Based on that performance, we'll win more than we lose.
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Ok, we played ok first half, 30% possession at home is good I suppose but that capitulation does not suggest that we will go on to win more games than we will lose this season. Benteke was good today, as was Clark imo but I think your statement is way off.
They absolutely battered us and it could have been 5 or 6. God how our hopes and expectations have fallen if people think that was good. There were some positive signs granted but they were by far the better side.
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I wanted the three points, of course, but I felt how we approached the match was more important. Unfortunately I didn't expect us to be so effective with a team like that and inevitably feel terribly short-changed.
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Same shit different year.
At least we are showing some real potential. For the first time I am actually not worried for us this year.
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17 successive league matches unbeaten for them at VP i think. i just hope we get the chance to end this run in 13/14.
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It's a bit like a version of World War II where the Nazis win. Only a bit more inevitable.
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17 successive league matches unbeaten for them at VP i think. i just hope we get the chance to end this run in 13/14.
Is Man United's 17 match unbeaten run at our ground actually longer than our longest unbeaten run at our ground?
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I hate those flukey c*ntbuckets.
Other than that, I can't really fault anyone in our starting 11. They did not deserve to lose that.
It's not fluke though, they wanted to win more. They needed goals so they pushed forward. We only played on the offensive at 3-2. Before then we were counter attacking.
Don't get me wrong, we played pretty well I guess. We lead 2-0. But who cares if you still end up losing? We have lost far too many leads over the years that I (A) find it hard to sympathise for the team and (B) don't think anything will change because it ALWAYS happens.
Don't be so fucking stupid. It's almost an entirely different team. It " ALWAYS happens" because its Man Utd and they do it to most teams. If we'd played shit & lost I could understand criticism but we didn't. It was an exciting display - what we were all begging for last year - and undone by a mixture of individual mistakes and their good players.
With that performance against even slightly less skilful opposition, we'll be absolutely fine.
Please excuse my 'fucking stupidity'.
You don't understand my point. It's not just against Man United that this happens, it's a common trait with us. Yes I know it's a different team, different manager etc, but it's the same outcome.
Try understanding before sounding like a fucking oaf.
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17 successive league matches unbeaten for them at VP i think. i just hope we get the chance to end this run in 13/14.
Is Man United's 17 match unbeaten run at our ground actually longer than our longest unbeaten run at our ground?
Cor! That would be a stat attack, right enough.
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It's a bit like a version of World War II where the Nazis win. Only a bit more inevitable.
And against more unpleasant opposition.
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I will not ask again for there to be no insults. It will be a straight ban. Hopefully that is plain enough for no one to be in any doubt about it.
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Fcuk me, I hate this fixture.
Are we ever going to beat these cnuts at Villa Park again?! We played superb for an hour, United were awful and we still can't get anything from the game, blowing another two goal lead.
This United team aren't even a patch on what they were 4 years ago.
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I hate those flukey c*ntbuckets.
Other than that, I can't really fault anyone in our starting 11. They did not deserve to lose that.
It's not fluke though, they wanted to win more. They needed goals so they pushed forward. We only played on the offensive at 3-2. Before then we were counter attacking.
Don't get me wrong, we played pretty well I guess. We lead 2-0. But who cares if you still end up losing? We have lost far too many leads over the years that I (A) find it hard to sympathise for the team and (B) don't think anything will change because it ALWAYS happens.
Don't be so fucking stupid. It's almost an entirely different team. It " ALWAYS happens" because its Man Utd and they do it to most teams. If we'd played shit & lost I could understand criticism but we didn't. It was an exciting display - what we were all begging for last year - and undone by a mixture of individual mistakes and their good players.
With that performance against even slightly less skilful opposition, we'll be absolutely fine.
Please excuse my 'fucking stupidity'.
You don't understand my point. It's not just against Man United that this happens, it's a common trait with us. Yes I know it's a different team, different manager etc, but it's the same outcome.
Try understanding before sounding like a fucking oaf.
Both of you need to work on your debating skills.
Calm it down, please.
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We've been here before. What is it about Villa Park that sees Fergie get points season-in, season-out?
It's all psychology.
I feel so sick after that.
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well , If we had swapped subs benches , we would have won 8-0 at least . They have a better squad of course.
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I will not ask again for there to be no insults. It will be a straight ban. Hopefully that is plain enough for no one to be in any doubt about it.
Apologies big man. Just didn't wanna let that one slide.
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I hate those flukey c*ntbuckets.
Other than that, I can't really fault anyone in our starting 11. They did not deserve to lose that.
It's not fluke though, they wanted to win more. They needed goals so they pushed forward. We only played on the offensive at 3-2. Before then we were counter attacking.
Don't get me wrong, we played pretty well I guess. We lead 2-0. But who cares if you still end up losing? We have lost far too many leads over the years that I (A) find it hard to sympathise for the team and (B) don't think anything will change because it ALWAYS happens.
Don't be so fucking stupid. It's almost an entirely different team. It " ALWAYS happens" because its Man Utd and they do it to most teams. If we'd played shit & lost I could understand criticism but we didn't. It was an exciting display - what we were all begging for last year - and undone by a mixture of individual mistakes and their good players.
With that performance against even slightly less skilful opposition, we'll be absolutely fine.
Please excuse my 'fucking stupidity'.
You don't understand my point. It's not just against Man United that this happens, it's a common trait with us. Yes I know it's a different team, different manager etc, but it's the same outcome.
Try understanding before sounding like a fucking oaf.
You have made several offensive comments in posts and silly statements in the last 20 minutes- how about a bit of pride for your team who fought hard and gave one of Europes best a really tough game.
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By the way, was I alone in dropping my head when I saw Delph coming on?
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I hate those flukey c*ntbuckets.
Other than that, I can't really fault anyone in our starting 11. They did not deserve to lose that.
It's not fluke though, they wanted to win more. They needed goals so they pushed forward. We only played on the offensive at 3-2. Before then we were counter attacking.
Don't get me wrong, we played pretty well I guess. We lead 2-0. But who cares if you still end up losing? We have lost far too many leads over the years that I (A) find it hard to sympathise for the team and (B) don't think anything will change because it ALWAYS happens.
Don't be so fucking stupid. It's almost an entirely different team. It " ALWAYS happens" because its Man Utd and they do it to most teams. If we'd played shit & lost I could understand criticism but we didn't. It was an exciting display - what we were all begging for last year - and undone by a mixture of individual mistakes and their good players.
With that performance against even slightly less skilful opposition, we'll be absolutely fine.
Please excuse my 'fucking stupidity'.
You don't understand my point. It's not just against Man United that this happens, it's a common trait with us. Yes I know it's a different team, different manager etc, but it's the same outcome.
Try understanding before sounding like a fucking oaf.
Both of you need to work on your debating skills.
Calm it down, please.
Nothing wrong with mine ta.
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Eastie, you're making a valid point, but please, less of this 'Elite' stuff.
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Vlaar, Westwood, Ireland, Weimann, Benteke and Gabby were excellent.
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Played well mostly just lack of experaince in the end cost us.
With Wiemann scoring and Gabby and Tekkers performance I think Bent should be sold now.We can cope with out him and the cash to go to strengthen the midfield.
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You have made several offensive comments in posts and silly statements in the last 20 minutes- how about a bit of pride for your team who fought hard and gave one of European elite a really tough game.
I disagree with him - very strongly - but I am not offended by his having a view. The awful 'O' word has no place in the discussion if you ask me.
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That felt strangely similar to when we played them under Houllier. Similar goals too.
More like the FA cup tie when they brought on Van Nistelrooy at 2 down.
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I hate those flukey c*ntbuckets.
Other than that, I can't really fault anyone in our starting 11. They did not deserve to lose that.
It's not fluke though, they wanted to win more. They needed goals so they pushed forward. We only played on the offensive at 3-2. Before then we were counter attacking.
Don't get me wrong, we played pretty well I guess. We lead 2-0. But who cares if you still end up losing? We have lost far too many leads over the years that I (A) find it hard to sympathise for the team and (B) don't think anything will change because it ALWAYS happens.
Don't be so fucking stupid. It's almost an entirely different team. It " ALWAYS happens" because its Man Utd and they do it to most teams. If we'd played shit & lost I could understand criticism but we didn't. It was an exciting display - what we were all begging for last year - and undone by a mixture of individual mistakes and their good players.
With that performance against even slightly less skilful opposition, we'll be absolutely fine.
Please excuse my 'fucking stupidity'.
You don't understand my point. It's not just against Man United that this happens, it's a common trait with us. Yes I know it's a different team, different manager etc, but it's the same outcome.
Try understanding before sounding like a fucking oaf.
You have made several offensive comments in posts and silly statements in the last 20 minutes- how about a bit of pride for your team who fought hard and gave one of European elite a really tough game.
Really? Please feel free to quote me on those. I called Villa a bunch of 'losers' and 'bottlers' and I stand by that. I've also backed that up with why as we have a history of 'losing' game by 'bottling' under pressure. Don't let too much pride cloud your judgement.
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Eastie, you're making a valid point, but please, less of this 'Elite' stuff.
Sorted rigadon!
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Eastie, you're making a valid point, but please, less of this 'Elite' stuff.
Sorted rigadon!
It just makes me squirm a bit. Thanks for the edit :)
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You have made several offensive comments in posts and silly statements in the last 20 minutes- how about a bit of pride for your team who fought hard and gave one of European elite a really tough game.
I disagree with him - very strongly - but I am not offended by his having a view. The awful 'O' word has no place in the discussion if you ask me.
Exactly. Feel free to disagree but don't be offended by a difference of opinion. That's what a discussion board is for surely?
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Gutted,just gutted. Just knowing that they were going to come back and win is what hurts the most .That must be at least half a dozen times we have had a 2-0 lead and failed to win. I blame Webcam, as soon as he was took off they looked a different team.
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Gabby was excellent??? Erm..... He gave the ball away so often that I thought he was playing for them at one point. I have always backed Gabby but he was rubbish for the most part today. Yes he did a couple of good things but I base a "performance" on the whole game and overall he was not up to it today. Benteke and Weimann, however, were very good.
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Weird feeling after that, gutted obviously but a little proud and definitely a bit more optimistic for the future.
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Well some may see us as losers and bottlers- I'm proud of our performance seeing our young our team was and we are moving in the right direction- plenty of positives !
Onwards and upwards, good evening all and try not to let this put a damper on your weekend.
Stockmix, I agree , offensive was too strong a word to use but I think you are being extremely harsh in calling us losers and bottlers- we gave it our best shot .
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Like all on here we are just sick of the plucky loser tag that we get against them, it is thier favourite ground dont you know. I dont give a shit about how well we played, the idea that if we play like that every week we will be fine, we wont. No we reserve these sepecially interesting games for the Sky TV viewers and confirm every time that the decision they made (those sad glory hunting wankers that no fuck all about anything)to support Man Utd was the right one. I am fucking sick of it. Thats all.
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You have made several offensive comments in posts and silly statements in the last 20 minutes- how about a bit of pride for your team who fought hard and gave one of European elite a really tough game.
I disagree with him - very strongly - but I am not offended by his having a view. The awful 'O' word has no place in the discussion if you ask me.
Exactly. Feel free to disagree but don't be offended by a difference of opinion. That's what a discussion board is for surely?
Indeed. Arguments, debates, exchanges of opinion, whatever anyone wants to call it are fine. Insults at each other are not. Please treat each other with the respect you would like to receive.
Insulting each other is not accepted.
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Average of team 23, that tells me we are definitely a work in progress but there are real signs of improvements. Not one team member should feel disappointed in performance.
It feel like early days of little era, we going to be fine
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Gutted. The whole team worked really hard again but how many times have we seen this against this lot?
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Like all on here we are just sick of the plucky loser tag that we get against them, it is thier favourite ground dont you know. I dont give a shit about how well we played, the idea that if we play like that every week we will be fine, we wont. No we reserve these sepecially interesting games for the Sky TV viewers and confirm every time that the decision they made (those sad glory hunting wankers that no fuck all about anything)to support Man Utd was the right one. I am fucking sick of it. Thats all.
feel your pain mate totally agree
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Play like that every week and i would be very happy.
Benteke played very well, Gabbys pace was a constant threat, as was Weimanns movement.The midfield 3 of Bannan, Westwood and Ireland looked very promising.We played against a better Ure team than i thought rednose would pick, and quite honestly didn't deserve to lose.
Much as i hate their supporters, i do admire their team, we matched them with kids, and thats very encouraging.Kept the ball very well today, and we have a bargain in Benteke.
Same as me. They are a good side but the glory hunting supporters piss me off.
So proud of the Villa boys tonight. Lambert will get it right and we will move up the table.
So disappointed though!
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Average of team 23, that tells me we are definitely a work in progress but there are real signs of improvements. Not one team member should feel disappointed in performance.
It feel like early days of little era, we going to be fine
i hope they feel absoloutely gutted. Giving up a 2 goal lead is criminal
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Like all on here we are just sick of the plucky loser tag that we get against them, it is thier favourite ground dont you know. I dont give a shit about how well we played, the idea that if we play like that every week we will be fine, we wont. No we reserve these sepecially interesting games for the Sky TV viewers and confirm every time that the decision they made (those sad glory hunting wankers that no fuck all about anything)to support Man Utd was the right one. I am fucking sick of it. Thats all.
Have to say, I agree with you.
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Me too.
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I don't know if I'm the first to say this but Manchester United are the biggest set of cunting ****** in the cunting world. ****** ****** and ****** again. Won't it be great when we finally hold a lead against those ******. ******.
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I hate the plucky loser tag as much as anyone. However, all last year when we were giving away three points before a ball was kicked, numerous folks said on here that as long as we didn't roll over and die (like the Arsenal game) then they'd be more forgiving. Well we didn't roll over and die so what's changed?
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I hate the plucky loser tag as much as anyone. However, all last year when we were giving away three points before a ball was kicked, numerous folks said on here that as long as we didn't roll over and die (like the Arsenal game) then they'd be more forgiving. Well we didn't roll over and die so what's changed?
Far point, but the frustrating thing is that we did roll over at 2-0. Otherwise we'd have got something from the game. It's a psychological thing, it happens all the time against these ******.
Their wanker fans and that combine to make this the one fixture I absolutely loathe. It's just so predictable.
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Come on, let's have a bit of perspective. The team they put out today cost them something like 160 million. Ours cost about 20 million, max, yet we matched them for most of the game. And we have a young squad and a new manager. I'm really encouraged by that performance. I'm genuinely optimistic for the first time in ages.
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And to add, tonight's performance give me more hope for the future than a lot of our insipid performances against this lot over the years did.
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Yes i partly agree with you Holtender.Gabby needs to work at keeping the ball, too often it gets to Gabby and we lose the ball.He has fantastic pace, and that is a constant threat, but he needs to add consistency, but that is his position.
Westwood really impressed me tonight, likes to keep the ball, always looks for a pass out of defence, and has confidence to receive the ball at all times.Looks a good prospect.
If you look at the 2nd and 3rd goals, Bannan miskicks a clearance, and from the cross they score, and Clark?loses his man in the last minute for them to get the winner.A lot of them mistakes will be ironed out, but the longer his team plays, the more they get used to each other, and they will get better.
Benteke looked a beast tonight, and Weimann for all his faults , always looks like scoring, and his movement off the ball is the best we have at the club.Ireland played very well , because he has a bloke up front he knows can hold it up, and players like Gabby and Weimann who have movement and pace.We lost against probably the 5/6th best team in Europe, not a big disgrace to me.
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Like all on here we are just sick of the plucky loser tag that we get against them, it is thier favourite ground dont you know. I dont give a shit about how well we played, the idea that if we play like that every week we will be fine, we wont. No we reserve these sepecially interesting games for the Sky TV viewers and confirm every time that the decision they made (those sad glory hunting wankers that no fuck all about anything)to support Man Utd was the right one. I am fucking sick of it. Thats all.
Have to say, I agree with you.
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And to add, tonight's performance give me more hope for the future than a lot of our insipid performances against this lot over the years did.
That's true.
Then again, though, I remember saying exactly the same thing under Houllier when we threw away a 2 goal lead against these wankers. I liked the shape we had today, Lambert needs to find some consistency with that and work on it.
I know there's a rational response to every negative thing I can say here, but I just feel so fucking pig sick, I can't stand it.
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It's not often you can be proud and be positive after losing in such a manner, but today I am. It's a kick in the balls to lose after playing so well and when you're two goals up.
I loved the determination and commitment from the whole team today. What I also really liked was after going 2-0 up we weren't satisfied pressing to get a third... Even when they scored we didn't drop our heads, we still were playing positive not cowering under pressure. We shouldn't of let Hernandez score his first, I thought we could of maybe dealt with that better. Another minor criticism is that we could of used substitutes earlier.
I couldn't care less what the stats say, I thought we used the ball really well when we had it mostly and its not like they played well because we didn't deserve to lose, their goals came from crosses, they didn't slice through our defence because for the most part we defended well. It was one player with clinical finishing that beat us.
Benteke, Weimann, Stevens and Vlaar were the standout players for me (Gabby was very close to making the list) but I couldn't fault the team as each player played really well contributing to the combined effort.
Both our goals were great to watch especially the first with Benteke showing his strength then picking out Weimann who finished it with a superb strike.
Oh and fuck you ref you fucking biased ******. Poor display by someone trying to officiate a game.
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That was brilliant for 60 minutes or so. By taking it to them we really gave them a game.
So why the fuck did our manager decide that he had had enough and take off our main threats?.
I'm sorry but it has to be said, KEA and Delph are shit. They offer nothing. And to play them together is just telling the opposisitionnthat you have no intention of trying to go forward and attack. I really can't stand this fucking ultra safe shit. We had enough last year.
Benteke, you my son will be a legend, if you really want it you can truly be great.
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That was brilliant for 60 minutes or so. By taking it to them we really gave them a game.
So why the fuck did our manager decide that he had had enough and take off our main threats?.
I'm sorry but it has to be said, KEA and Delph are shit. They offer nothing. And to play them together is just telling the opposisitionnthat you have no intention of trying to go forward and attack. I really can't stand this fucking ultra safe shit. We had enough last year.
Benteke, you my son will be a legend, if you really want it you can truly be great.
Delph is truly shit.
KEA is starting to worry me an awful lot.
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That was brilliant for 60 minutes or so. By taking it to them we really gave them a game.
So why the fuck did our manager decide that he had had enough and take off our main threats?.
I'm sorry but it has to be said, KEA and Delph are shit. They offer nothing. And tomplay them together is just telling the opposisitionnthat you have no intention of trying to go forward and attack. I really can't stand this fucking ultra safe shit. We had enough last year.
Benteke, you my son will be a legend, if you really want it you can truly be great.
TBF to Lambert it looked like Ireland and Bannan had run out of gas,.
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I hate the plucky loser tag as much as anyone. However, all last year when we were giving away three points before a ball was kicked, numerous folks said on here that as long as we didn't roll over and die (like the Arsenal game) then they'd be more forgiving. Well we didn't roll over and die so what's changed?
Hey, i know what you are saying, at least we lost with integrity. And I hope we go at Citeh and Arse in the same way. But fuck the amount of times that we have played the plucky loser to those C**** is wearing a bit thin.
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I hate the plucky loser tag as much as anyone. However, all last year when we were giving away three points before a ball was kicked, numerous folks said on here that as long as we didn't roll over and die (like the Arsenal game) then they'd be more forgiving. Well we didn't roll over and die so what's changed?
Far point, but the frustrating thing is that we did roll over at 2-0. Otherwise we'd have got something from the game. It's a psychological thing, it happens all the time against these c***s.
Their wanker fans and that combine to make this the one fixture I absolutely loathe. It's just so predictable.
I disagree with the first part. Most of this 11 has never played against them before so why would they be psychologically effected? I do think it's a psychological thing for them though. How many games over the 15-20 years have they looked dead and buried but ended up with a result? That game against Sheff Weds, the cup semi in '94 against Oldham as examples from long ago.
Much as I loathe them I have to admire the way they never seem to think a match is lost. It's one of the big reasons they've won so much.
I agree 110% with the last bit.
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We didn't roll over at all. We conceded three poor goals. Both sides are poor at the back.
So bloody frustrating to put so much effort in and get nothing out of it.
Lots of positives mind. We look dangerous going forward and the side seems balanced.
Hilarious to see Smalling get tossed around like a rag doll.
If Man City dont win this league then they want shooting. Yanited have a lot of fire power and Valencia is a top player. But Carrick, Scholes, Ferdinand, Cleverly- get to fuck.
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I wouldn't agree with the 'bottled it' comment.
Nothing really changed between 2-0 and 2-2 other than they had the run of the ball twice and got a goal each time. It could have happened at any time during the game.
It's very different to the way it has happened in the past. At 2-2 we still had it in us to get up the other end and create two very good chances that with the same amount of luck would have seen us pull off a result that really would have stuffed it up rednose's derriere.
Disappointing yes. But lets give ourselves the credit we deserve. Look at the quality of our goals compared to theirs.
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And to add, tonight's performance give me more hope for the future than a lot of our insipid performances against this lot over the years did.
That's true.
Then again, though, I remember saying exactly the same thing under Houllier when we threw away a 2 goal lead against these wankers. I liked the shape we had today, Lambert needs to find some consistency with that and work on it.
I know there's a rational response to every negative thing I can say here, but I just feel so fucking pig sick, I can't stand it.
That season we ended up 9th. So in some ways it did potentially point to a brighter future. Then a McLeish shaped cloud descended on B6.
And I still agree 110% with the last part.
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Gutted. Deep down at 2-0 I knew that we'd probably go on to lose, we've seen it too often. Clark isn't really a defender, and Stevens is nowhere near Premier League quality, even though he tried hard. The performance was largely good though, and Weimann was sensational, but we're still very short of quality, and we could possibly be in the bottom three next weekend.
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Like all on here we are just sick of the plucky loser tag that we get against them, it is thier favourite ground dont you know. I dont give a shit about how well we played, the idea that if we play like that every week we will be fine, we wont. No we reserve these sepecially interesting games for the Sky TV viewers and confirm every time that the decision they made (those sad glory hunting wankers that no fuck all about anything)to support Man Utd was the right one. I am fucking sick of it. Thats all.
Have to say, I agree with you.
But what can we do? We played well but we've got kids and they've got talent everywhere you look. You compare our squad with theirs and 9 times out of 10 they'll win. All our lads can do is work their balls off, which they did, and hope for the best.
I know the run is too long but you can't really hold that against any of these players, bar maybe Gabby, or Lambert. They're basically all new and they made a much better fist of it than many who've gone before.
Beating Man Utd isn't easy and it's made even harder when you're trying to do it on the cheap, as we are. We're rebuilding (again) properly from scratch so I do think the quality of our performance matters. And it was a good performance so, gutted as I am, I do think that's something to hold on to.
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gutted. a depressing inevitability about it all.
at least those ****** know they've been in a game this season, mcleish bent over for them last season.
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Like all on here we are just sick of the plucky loser tag that we get against them, it is thier favourite ground dont you know. I dont give a shit about how well we played, the idea that if we play like that every week we will be fine, we wont. No we reserve these sepecially interesting games for the Sky TV viewers and confirm every time that the decision they made (those sad glory hunting wankers that no fuck all about anything)to support Man Utd was the right one. I am fucking sick of it. Thats all.
Have to say, I agree with you.
But what can we do? We played well but we've got kids and they've got talent everywhere you look. You compare our squad with theirs and 9 times out of 10 they'll win. All our lads can do is work their balls off, which they did, and hope for the best.
I know the run is too long but you can't really hold that against any of these players, bar maybe Gabby, or Lambert. They're basically all new and they made a much better fist of it than many who've gone before.
Beating Man Utd isn't easy and it's made even harder when you're trying to do it on the cheap, as we are. We're rebuilding (again) properly from scratch so I do think the quality of our performance matters. And it was a good performance so, gutted as I am, I do think that's something to hold on to.
I know, I know, I know, you're right.
I still feel pig sick, though.
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we were 2-0 up and alhough i was as proud as everyone else with some of the performances, you dont lose when you are 2-0 up. getting pissed now and don feel any better
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Proud of the lads today.
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I know, I know, I know, you're right.
I still feel pig sick, though.
So do I mate, so do I.
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Like all on here we are just sick of the plucky loser tag that we get against them, it is thier favourite ground dont you know. I dont give a shit about how well we played, the idea that if we play like that every week we will be fine, we wont. No we reserve these sepecially interesting games for the Sky TV viewers and confirm every time that the decision they made (those sad glory hunting wankers that no fuck all about anything)to support Man Utd was the right one. I am fucking sick of it. Thats all.
Have to say, I agree with you.
But what can we do? We played well but we've got kids and they've got talent everywhere you look. You compare our squad with theirs and 9 times out of 10 they'll win. All our lads can do is work their balls off, which they did, and hope for the best.
I know the run is too long but you can't really hold that against any of these players, bar maybe Gabby, or Lambert. They're basically all new and they made a much better fist of it than many who've gone before.
Beating Man Utd isn't easy and it's made even harder when you're trying to do it on the cheap, as we are. We're rebuilding (again) properly from scratch so I do think the quality of our performance matters. And it was a good performance so, gutted as I am, I do think that's something to hold on to.
Hiltz you make a lot of sense, its just that this has happened too many times. I want a Villaeam to say right we are now 2 nil up now lets finish it. As soon as they got the 1st goal you knew the script.
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Look at how young our team is too. They can be very proud with how they performed against premier league veteran's.
I'm annoyed we lost but there's no way we didn't deserve at least a point. No Villa fan should be negative going forward after today (bar the actual result), we lost but we can still hold our heads high and feel positive going into the game against man city even though I know we will be facing just as a tough as the opponent today.
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I dont know why Delph and KEA are copping stick.
All three goals were poor defensively. The little ****** faced weasel got a lot of luck with the first and the second was an own goal. The third was appalling.
The midfields were well matched. They have Valencia who I really rate which makes a difference.
We need a centre half to go with a central brute.
We may well be in the bottom three next week, but come May we will be well clear.
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I think we feel it so hard as it has happened to us before, but the reality is they do it to everyone. I think that's 16 points already this season they've gained after trailing.
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Want to say that our second goal was very good some great passing all round.
Gabby played well but his problem on the wing is he lacks close ball control and even when he had the ball centrally today he over ran is a few times.
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Gutted, I was happy with our forward play but we need to sort out or defensive issues.
I hate there supporters, bunch of twats, when we scored our 2nd it got a bit entertaining up in P8, some twat chucked drinks from there side to ours and then gave it the big un. Fucking tosser didn't have the balls to actually climb over to our side!
I hate them with a passion
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Whilst I too am happy with the performance, I just hope this isn't a knock-back that we take weeks to get over - like what happened under Houllier.
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Good performance from all. Play like that against the majority of other teams in the league and we'll be fine.
Benteke was unplayable for Man Utd. He was incredible, very much reminded me of Carew at his best. Really impressed with him today.
Also mentions to Ireland, who has to be a regular starter in my mind.
Also, Westwood and Bannan. It just goes to show that you don't have to be big or a great tackler to defend well as a midfielder. If you put the effort in like they did, then it's hard for the opposition to get anything, they just ran out of steam a bit towards the end.
Gabby was good, both full-backs played well considering who they were up against.
As Lambert has said, if the players can't take positives from that then they'll never get any positives. Just a pity the next couple of games are tough ones.
As a side, I've never seen one person take a beating of so many people before. Some bloke in the Upper Holte (towards the front of the left hand side) cheered when they scored the third and it all kicked off. People ran from everywhere to take pot shots at him. Even when the stewards were protecting him people were still getting punches and kicks in. Nobody deserves that, but did he not expect something like that to happen?!?!?
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I feel sick.
perfect description
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Good performance from all. Play like that against the majority of other teams in the league and we'll be fine.
Benteke was unplayable for Man Utd. He was incredible, very much reminded me of Carew at his best. Really impressed with him today.
Also mentions to Ireland, who has to be a regular starter in my mind.
Also, Westwood and Bannan. It just goes to show that you don't have to be big or a great tackler to defend well as a midfielder. If you put the effort in like they did, then it's hard for the opposition to get anything, they just ran out of steam a bit towards the end.
Gabby was good, both full-backs played well considering who they were up against.
As Lambert has said, if the players can't take positives from that then they'll never get any positives. Just a pity the next couple of games are tough ones.
As a side, I've never seen one person take a beating of so many people before. Some bloke in the Upper Holte (towards the front of the left hand side) cheered when they scored the third and it all kicked off. People ran from everywhere to take pot shots at him. Even when the stewards were protecting him people were still getting punches and kicks in. Nobody deserves that, but did he not expect something like that to happen?!?!?
There was a couple up in P8 who at the end thought it was a good idea to celebrate, the stewards and quite a few villa were wrestling them out, the police stopped a couple of lads following them down they looked like they would have done them some damage if the caught up to them
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We could really do with a couple of big strong experienced defenders in January. Our lads are all young and, for the most part, look promising but they're a bit lightweight* and maybe too green for what could be a relegation scrap.
* Except Concrete Ronaldo, obviously.
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We were desperately unlucky. Unlucky in the extreme,but we lost. Then again we have nothing to be ashamed about. They brought on a player who provides goals consistently and thats what he did.
Magnificent performances by Ron Vlaar and Stephen Ireland in the first half. The same could be said of Benteke in the second half. Weimann could have had a hat trick and no fault of his that he didnt.
It would be unfair to critisise anyone after a performance like that they all worked their socks off
It bodes very well for our future indeed.
Benteke hardly wasted a ball all afternoon he is a major presence for our club.
Well done the Villa!
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anybody else getting bored of that story?
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we were 2-0 up and alhough i was as proud as everyone else with some of the performances, you dont lose when you are 2-0 up. getting pissed now and don feel any better
I agree if we were playing lesser opponents... But this is man united and for some reason they keep coming back somehow when they shouldn't.
I have to say though with the way we were playing and being 2-0 up there's no way I would of thought they'd go onto score 3. It's not like they even had to put effort into the goals they scored like ours, it was just Hernandez being in the right place + precise finishing from two crosses and a long unexpected pass over the top.
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I can take no comfort from this, we are 2-0 up at home with 11 men on the pitch.
You should not lose to any one from there.
possibly except these wanker and maybes barca and real. but an excellent display of team efort from villa.
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2-0 up
and then what happens?
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Yes I am proud of the young team we had out there today.
Yes I am proud of what Lambert is doing.
However losing a two goal lead and ending up losing the game is not something to be proud of. This is embarrassing. Why oh why we can't put this team to the sword when we have the chance? Time and time again at VP we have succumbed under pressure from them. I remembering turning to the bloke next to me as we went 2-0 up to say i don't like 2-0 lead. i guess I had no belief that we could win from there and may be that is the problem with over teams over the past few years. No belief that we can beat the scum fron both players and supporters. This was obvious from the way our fans emptied the stadium in droves as they took the lead. FFS that was the time to stay back and support the boys.
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Based on that performance, we'll win more than we lose.
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Ok, we played ok first half, 30% possession at home is good I suppose but that capitulation does not suggest that we will go on to win more games than we will lose this season. Benteke was good today, as was Clark imo but I think your statement is way off.
They absolutely battered us and it could have been 5 or 6. God how our hopes and expectations have fallen if people think that was good. There were some positive signs granted but they were by far the better side.
er battered us. NO they did not batter us
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I hope they got their teeth kicked in. Fucking ****** bags.
I hate them almost as much as Small Heath.
I cannot wait until they become a fucking mid-table irrelvance like Liverpool. There is an avalanche of karma coming their way.
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2-0 up
v man utd
what happens?
what is there to be "PROUD" about?
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2-0 up
v man utd
what happens?
what is there to be "PROUD" about?
Did you go to the game?
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However losing a two goal lead and ending up losing the game is not something to be proud of.
Has anyone said that we should be proud of losing the match?
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When will the pain ever go away? I really really hate this fixture.
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However losing a two goal lead and ending up losing the game is not something to be proud of.
Has anyone said that we should be proud of losing the match?
Yes several posts stating words to the effect "proud of the performance"
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2-0 up
v man utd
what happens?
what is there to be "PROUD" about?
Did you go to the game?
no im from northern ireland
but im sure the 3-2 defeat means a lot more to you than me
for fucks sake
any chance of stopping remarks like that?
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However losing a two goal lead and ending up losing the game is not something to be proud of.
Has anyone said that we should be proud of losing the match?
Yes several posts stating words to the effect "proud of the performance"
Hate to break it to you, but being proud of a performance isn't the same as being proud of a result.
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Based on that performance, we'll win more than we lose.
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Ok, we played ok first half, 30% possession at home is good I suppose but that capitulation does not suggest that we will go on to win more games than we will lose this season. Benteke was good today, as was Clark imo but I think your statement is way off.
They absolutely battered us and it could have been 5 or 6. God how our hopes and expectations have fallen if people think that was good. There were some positive signs granted but they were by far the better side.
er battered us. NO they did not batter us
64% possesion to our 36% (As the away team)
16 shots to our 10
Hit the bar twice
Won the game 3-2
I would say they that absolutely dominated us, especially in the second half. Still, believe what you will.
Edit: Perhaps we are talking about two different games? Cos the one I watched saw Man United come at us in wave after wave of attcak until they scored enough goals to win the game.
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2-0 up
v man utd
what happens?
what is there to be "PROUD" about?
There was quite a few things to be proud of, great performances from various youngsters against one of the best sides in world football yeah we collapsed and it was sickening but I will take positives.
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Just back - haven't read the thread so apologies if already said. I predicted a pasting. I was wrong. Benteke was awesome but the whole team put in a shift today and that performance bodes very well for the future. Felt gutted to lose a 2-0 lead and if Wemann's header had gone in it would have been different, but they hit the bar a couple of times and (I think) a post so on balance can't complain too much.
One other thing - those scummy Mancs are surely the worst supporters we've had at VP - no applause for Petrov, no applause for the paralympians and no applause for the military band at half time. Hopefully the ones who were ejected from the Upper Holte got a good kicking on the way out.
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However losing a two goal lead and ending up losing the game is not something to be proud of.
Has anyone said that we should be proud of losing the match?
Yes several posts stating words to the effect "proud of the performance"
Hate to break it to you, but being proud of a performance isn't the same as being proud of a result.
Whatever.
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I am proud of the performance and steaming that we lost.
Our piggin' defending has cost us again. Now I am back and have seen the first two goals again; when will get luck like that? The weasel treads on the ball for the first and puts the second a mile wide until it hits Vlaar.
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Based on that performance, we'll win more than we lose.
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Ok, we played ok first half, 30% possession at home is good I suppose but that capitulation does not suggest that we will go on to win more games than we will lose this season. Benteke was good today, as was Clark imo but I think your statement is way off.
They absolutely battered us and it could have been 5 or 6. God how our hopes and expectations have fallen if people think that was good. There were some positive signs granted but they were by far the better side.
er battered us. NO they did not batter us
64% possesion to our 36% (As the away team)
16 shots to our 10
Hit the bar twice
Won the game 3-2
I would say they that absolutely dominated us, especially in the second half. Still, believe what you will.
Edit: Perhaps we are talking about two different games? Cos the one I watched saw Man United come at us in wave after wave of attcak until they scored enough goals to win the game.
I'm sure you were delighted when they got the winner.
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2-0 up
v man utd
what happens?
what is there to be "PROUD" about?
There was quite a few things to be proud of, great performances from various youngsters against one of the best sides in world football yeah we collapsed and it was sickening but I will take positives.
how many times has that happened?
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I think that the point is that we seem happy to accept defeat to them on the basis that we had a go. Some of the comments epitomise what is wrong with Aston Villa, happy to accept defeat.
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Based on that performance, we'll win more than we lose.
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Ok, we played ok first half, 30% possession at home is good I suppose but that capitulation does not suggest that we will go on to win more games than we will lose this season. Benteke was good today, as was Clark imo but I think your statement is way off.
They absolutely battered us and it could have been 5 or 6. God how our hopes and expectations have fallen if people think that was good. There were some positive signs granted but they were by far the better side.
er battered us. NO they did not batter us
64% possesion to our 36% (As the away team)
16 shots to our 10
Hit the bar twice
Won the game 3-2
I would say they that absolutely dominated us, especially in the second half. Still, believe what you will.
Edit: Perhaps we are talking about two different games? Cos the one I watched saw Man United come at us in wave after wave of attcak until they scored enough goals to win the game.
I'm sure you were delighted when they got the winner.
What the fuck??
Tosser.
In fact I was in a bar in the centre of Prague in my Villa top getting abuse from loads of plastic Man U fans, I don't need to get any from you.
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2-0 up
v man utd
what happens?
what is there to be "PROUD" about?
There was quite a few things to be proud of, great performances from various youngsters against one of the best sides in world football yeah we collapsed and it was sickening but I will take positives.
how many times has that happened?
Too a young team managed by Paul Lambert? Once I think!
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I think anyone expecting such a young and inexperienced team to dominate for 90 minutes against Man U is expecting too much, particularly when we were looking press to hard and counter.
We had a mad five minutes when they got very lucky but even then we had another glorious chance and continued to get into their box into injury time.
It's gutting to lose like that - especially to them - but some on here seem to think we were a shower of shit out there today. And that ain't right.
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They didn't dominate us at all. I think you're way off the mark.
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anybody else getting bored of that story?
Almost as boring as people saying stupid things to try and provoke a response.
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I think that the point is that we seem happy to accept defeat to them on the basis that we had a go. Some of the comments epitomise what is wrong with Aston Villa, happy to accept defeat.
Except no one has said that. However if Villa are to lose a game I prefer it if we give it our all rather than just roll over. I'll take a performance like today over a 7-1 drubbing at Chelsea any time.
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Just got home, I think it's all been said, this is like a bad recurring nightmare. Anyone know a good psychologist, I need some therapy.
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They didn't dominate us at all. I think you're way off the mark.
I honestly dont see how you can say that. Honestly. At 2-0 to us it was SOOOO predictable what would happen and as soon as they got the first there was only one team in it (bar Weimanns header).
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this is embarassing
we were 2-0 up against utd
but we KNEW we would get beat
but becuase it was Lamberts 1st defeat against them its ok?
FUCK RIGHT OFF
that was so predictable it was embarassing
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Oh sod off. Why should we not be proud of that performance? I'll say it again: the Mancs' team cost ONE HUNDRED A SIXTY MILLION in transfer fees alone. About eight times the transfer value of the Villa team, not to mention the vast disparity in wages.
OK, so we lost having been in front. Utd fought their way back, as they have on various occasions this season already. IIRC, so far they're the team that's collected most points from losing positions.
At least we gave it a go, put together some excellent attacking football and actually scored some goals. Makes a change from last year, when damage limitation was the best we could hope for.
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What the fuck??
Tosser.
In fact I was in a bar in the centre of Prague in my Villa top getting abuse from loads of plastic Man U fans, I don't need to get any from you.
I will not ask again for there to be no insults. It will be a straight ban. Hopefully that is plain enough for no one to be in any doubt about it.
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Based on that performance, we'll win more than we lose.
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Ok, we played ok first half, 30% possession at home is good I suppose but that capitulation does not suggest that we will go on to win more games than we will lose this season. Benteke was good today, as was Clark imo but I think your statement is way off.
They absolutely battered us and it could have been 5 or 6. God how our hopes and expectations have fallen if people think that was good. There were some positive signs granted but they were by far the better side.
er battered us. NO they did not batter us
64% possesion to our 36% (As the away team)
16 shots to our 10
Hit the bar twice
Won the game 3-2
I would say they that absolutely dominated us, especially in the second half. Still, believe what you will.
Edit: Perhaps we are talking about two different games? Cos the one I watched saw Man United come at us in wave after wave of attcak until they scored enough goals to win the game.
er what about the first hour? they did not Batter us.
Manure are a finished article, we are a team 'hopefuly' heading in the right direction. I could pick faults with every player, BUT im a fan and thought we did briliantly for an hour. Gutted to lose, especially to them, BUT that is why they will be in for the league, and into at leats quarters for wurope, WHAT did you expect of Villa today
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anybody else getting bored of that story?
Almost as boring as people saying stupid things to try and provoke a response.
really?
so it didnt happen?
again?
us being 2-0 up
and losing?
again?
ffs have a word with yourself
17 and counting
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64% possesion to our 36% (As the away team)
16 shots to our 10
Hit the bar twice
Won the game 3-2
I would say they that absolutely dominated us, especially in the second half. Still, believe what you will.
Edit: Perhaps we are talking about two different games? Cos the one I watched saw Man United come at us in wave after wave of attcak until they scored enough goals to win the game.
The possession stat has always been a cack one and proves very little. Shots isn't that much better, clear cut chances, which isn't a stat they produce, is probably a better indicator. Teams can dominate possession and go nowhere, how many saves did Guzan have to make? De Gea made the save of the game from Weiman's header.
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Oh sod off. Why should we not be proud of that performance? I'll say it again: the Mancs' team cost ONE HUNDRED A SIXTY MILLION in transfer fees alone. About eight times the transfer value of the Villa team, not to mention the vast disparity in wages.
OK, so we lost having been in front. Utd fought their way back, as they have on various occasions this season already. IIRC, so far they're the team that's collected most points from losing positions.
At least we gave it a go, put together some excellent attacking football and actually scored some goals. Makes a change from last year, when damage limitation was the best we could hope for.
Yes , we'll said, we gave it a real go and there were plenty of positives.
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Like I said, they didn't dominate us at all. We could have easily have had a third and looked dangerous everytime we went forward. So did they, but then so they should.
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I'm sure you were delighted when they got the winner.
There will be no more snide comments like that either.
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I think that the point is that we seem happy to accept defeat to them on the basis that we had a go. Some of the comments epitomise what is wrong with Aston Villa, happy to accept defeat.
Except no one has said that. However if Villa are to lose a game I prefer it if we give it our all rather than just roll over. I'll take a performance like today over a 7-1 drubbing at Chelsea any time.
The thing is I was there and at some point you just become numb, where as today you have this massive hope thing and then feel like a Christmas Turkey, plucked, dressed and gutted
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These comebacks are no fluke by now - Manchester United came back to win from two or more goals behind for the seventh time in Premeir League history - more than any other club.
This is the third time they have achieved this feat in the last two years and first since the 4-2 victory at West Ham in April 2011.
I recall the 5-3 win at Spurs when they were 3-0 down as well. It's part of the history of the club.
from bbc
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Like all on here we are just sick of the plucky loser tag that we get against them, it is thier favourite ground dont you know. I dont give a shit about how well we played, the idea that if we play like that every week we will be fine, we wont. No we reserve these sepecially interesting games for the Sky TV viewers and confirm every time that the decision they made (those sad glory hunting wankers that no fuck all about anything)to support Man Utd was the right one. I am fucking sick of it. Thats all.
Hawkeye the ownership and management of our club have bought into this Sky TV bullshit for 20 years as have many of the fans. We had a chance to be one of the elite 2 or 3 times during/since that time. We mucked up most recently under MON. I don't give 2 farts for ManU - they are an easy team to support. Ask the twunts who support them if they support USA at Olympics and Brazil at the World Cup
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I'm proud of them and it makes me feel this won't be the result we expect from this game in future. Had Scholes not fallen over we'd have been 2-0 up at halftime. I know we lost but we are on the up and they are slowly on the wain.
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Just in case anyone missed it and fancies dishing out personal insults or snide comments.
I will not ask again for there to be no insults. It will be a straight ban. Hopefully that is plain enough for no one to be in any doubt about it.
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Decent performance but I'm getting annoyed with our inability to concentrate for 90 minutes, their winner is an abysmal goal to concede, there's no way he should have got there first.
Our narrow back four give me the heebie jeebies, we give wingers so much space but to be fair, it looked for a while like it might work.
We were plucky and created some good openings but we have to get more clinical, stop giving away needless free kicks. Positive signs with some of our play but we really need to cut out the concentration lapses, that's where we came unstuck tonight.
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Not seen his name mentioned yet but credit where credit is due, what about Enda Stevens, thought he had a good game tonight and considering the number of games he has played for us looked very promising.
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Just in case anyone missed it and fancies dishing out personal insults or snide comments.
I will not ask again for there to be no insults. It will be a straight ban. Hopefully that is plain enough for no one to be in any doubt about it.
Hey PWS can I just say that I think you are a top bloke and top Moderating
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im getiting really annoyed with us going 2-0 up v utd
they score....then we fall apart
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I think that the point is that we seem happy to accept defeat to them on the basis that we had a go. Some of the comments epitomise what is wrong with Aston Villa, happy to accept defeat.
Except no one has said that. However if Villa are to lose a game I prefer it if we give it our all rather than just roll over. I'll take a performance like today over a 7-1 drubbing at Chelsea any time.
The thing is I was there and at some point you just become numb, where as today you have this massive hope thing and then feel like a Christmas Turkey, plucked, dressed and gutted
I was there 2 years ago and for the cup match. And another game in the 90s (can't remember the year, think it was 1-1) where we battered them and they equalised at the death. I fecking hate it, but i'm not going to let that cloud a performance by a Villa side that was so inexperienced that I would image when compared against their starting 11 most people would have expected us to be mullered. I for one fully expected us to be twatted today and posted so in the match thread.
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Not seen his name mentioned yet but credit where credit is due, what about Enda Stevens, thought he had a good game tonight and considering the number of games he has played for us looked very promising.
He tried hard but he's never going to be Premier League quality.
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im getiting really annoyed with us going 2-0 up v utd
they score....then we fall apart
I think you've made that point quite well mate :)
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Just in case anyone missed it and fancies dishing out personal insults or snide comments.
I will not ask again for there to be no insults. It will be a straight ban. Hopefully that is plain enough for no one to be in any doubt about it.
Hey PWS can I just say that I think you are a top bloke and top Moderating
Pffft, not even an apple as a bribe?
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After that performance we really deserve something from our tough run.
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Not seen his name mentioned yet but credit where credit is due, what about Enda Stevens, thought he had a good game tonight and considering the number of games he has played for us looked very promising.
He tried hard but he's never going to be Premier League quality.
He had his first start against the top team in the league, and from what I saw, made one critical mistake - i.e. being late coming out for Hernandez first goal and not catching him offfside.. From that display I saw nothing to say he's going to be a top defender, but equally nothing to say he wasn't going to make it.
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its fecking disgusting how we lie down and get our bellies tickelled
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Not seen his name mentioned yet but credit where credit is due, what about Enda Stevens, thought he had a good game tonight and considering the number of games he has played for us looked very promising.
He tried hard but he's never going to be Premier League quality.
In fairness it was his first league start. He did okay in the first half I thought but when they upped it at 2-0 his inexperience showed. A lot better and more experienced players than him will struggle with that manure front line.
That said, i'm not really expecting him to be star.
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Manure have come from behind five times to win a game this season, if people are seriously calling our lads performance poor on this one then they have no idea about football. If it'd been any other team than them, we would've won.
Do you think it's just luck or coincidence that they're so good coming back from behind? Fergie has honed that to its own artform and has managed to get their players believe in that so well that they push the necessary goals on just willpower.
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Last season we gave utd far too much respect and although only 0-1 our performance was embarrassing - today was totally the opposite , we attacked and they attacked, there were chances at both ends and it must have been a great game for the neutral.
I confess at 2-0 I had that nagging fear after what's happened in the past and sadly united did it again against us.
We are a work in progress and the midfield and forward players are starting to gel nicely, Vlaar and Lowton look good signings as do Westwood and benteke, not totally convinced by kea yet though.
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Not seen his name mentioned yet but credit where credit is due, what about Enda Stevens, thought he had a good game tonight and considering the number of games he has played for us looked very promising.
He tried hard but he's never going to be Premier League quality.
and you can say that after one game against one of the best teams in Europe and one of the form players in the country ie Valencia
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its fecking disgusting how we lie down and get our bellies tickelled
Are you going to keep on with the same point until someone gets banned responding to you?
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While gutted with the result, I can't help but compare this game with the two games last season. We were never in either game last year and we played terribly in each. This year, we lost a 2-0 lead but we played really well against a the current league leaders. On a different day, RVP nets at least one of the shots that hit the crossbar. Today's side was young, positive, vibrant, and full of promise. I believe that next year the score might be reversed.
I look forward to the rest of the season.
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I think that the point is that we seem happy to accept defeat to them on the basis that we had a go. Some of the comments epitomise what is wrong with Aston Villa, happy to accept defeat.
No, not happy, but proud of the performance. But it's not quite the same as losing 4-1 to Southampton having been 1-0 up. Nobody gave us a chance today, we could have done it, but in the end they got the rub of the green with their first 2 goals. But every one of our players put a shift in. Benteke was a powerhouse up front in the lone role and the Weimannator scored two great finishes. I know Siralex usually gives us undue praise, but he said:
It was a magnificent result and a magnificent game. Villa did fantastic today, they ran their socks off. We have to feel for them but we never gave in. We hit the bar twice but it was after the second goal we came alive, and it was a fantastic game. I admire the tenacity of the performance, though. When they need to do it, they do it."
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I think that line-up has earned another go next week. Even tougher away, but it'll sort the sheep from the goats.
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its fecking disgusting how we lie down and get our bellies tickelled
Are you going to keep on with the same point until someone gets banned responding to you?
Call him a twunt, it will work, send an apple to PWS though, he likes apples
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From official site:
Paul Lambert spoke of his immense pride at the performance of his team despite the 3-2 defeat to Manchester United.
Lambert thought his side were outstanding as they more than matched the Red Devils for much of the ninety minutes.
He was impressed by the way they gave it absolutely everything in what was almost a famous victory.
He said: "I am proud. I thought they were outstanding. I couldn't ask for anymore.
"But that's why Manchester United are a top side. They do it week in week out.
"I am really proud with what they have given me.
"I think we have been playing well for a couple of weeks, hopefully the confidence will be there in abundance after that.
"The Premier League is really tough. They are a young side but they are playing really well at the minute.
"They kept on going. I couldn't fault them for the way the lads played and kept going.
"The crowd are your gauge. I am absolutely gutted to lose because they gave me everything they had."
Lambert hailed the two-goal salvo from Andreas Weimann and the strength and power of Christian Benteke in bossing Rio Ferdinand and Chris Smalling for much of the game.
He also praised Enda Stevens, who performed admirably in his first senior start.
He added: "One thing about Andreas is he's a natural finisher.
"Benteke was incredible for the build-up. He was outstanding.
"But Andi is a goalscorer. He's a young lad. He seems to have been around for years. The future is very good.
"Enda was terrific. He was up against Valencia who was by no means a slouch. Enda gave me absolutely everything, as they all did.
"I think Westwood and Bannan are playing well too. They are young lads but they are getting better.
"The front three are a handful. They are three young lads. But it bodes well for future."
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I am really down right now. Just down. Kicked in the teeth at home again by those bastards.
We got nothing out of that. Nothing. Really tired of lining up every year to be losers.
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its fecking disgusting how we lie down and get our bellies tickelled
I get irate when we role over to. Good job we didn't today.
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its fecking disgusting how we lie down and get our bellies tickelled
But we didn't! Seriously did you expect us to win today, or did you want an encouraging performance. Lamberts less than 20 games into his Villa career. Stiop fishing or make valid points please
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its fecking disgusting how we lie down and get our bellies tickelled
Are you going to keep on with the same point until someone gets banned responding to you?
I don't think I'll ever tire of nornironvillain tediously repeating the same point over and over again.
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Some real positives.
The way we kept going forward whenever we could. At least we didn't lose having sat back, and their first two goals owed a lot to good luck.
Several excellent individual performances. Benteke in particular looks like he could become great.
At times we moved the ball around with style, though sometimes the last ball was awry.
Lets hope Lambert can maintain progress and belief even if results aren't as we'd hope throught his difficult run of games.
Its a long time since we were live on Sky and took part in a bloody decent game.
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Impressed with the concern for the environment on here. I've never seen rubbish being recycled do much.
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A lot of positives but sadly predictable in the end. Again it was partly down to poor defending and conceding from a set piece yet again, but a forward line of Hernandez, Rooney and Van Persie is world class and would trouble much better defences than ours. At least we looked livelier going forward. Delighted for Weimann whom I rate a lot, just a shame his header was too near to De Gea. Benteke is a beast, impressed with Westwood and Stevens, and pretty much everyone else put in a decent shift. I don't think we looked like a team destined for a relegation struggle tonight, but we need to build on that against lesser opposition.
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It deserves repeating, but was anybody else laughing while celebrating the first? Our biggest unit against their's.
Their's ends up looking like an eight year old boy.
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its fecking disgusting how we lie down and get our bellies tickelled
Are you going to keep on with the same point until someone gets banned responding to you?
Call him a twunt, it will work, send an apple to PWS though, he likes apples
I prefer cash.
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The positives far outweigh the result tonight.
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It deserves repeating, but was anybody else laughing while celebrating the first? Our biggest unit against their's.
Their's ends up looking like an eight year old boy.
I loved it.
I think it is a preview of great things to come, too.
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Our front 3 cost 7 mill
There front 3 cost somewhere around 60mill
What can we expect
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It deserves repeating, but was anybody else laughing while celebrating the first? Our biggest unit against their's.
Their's ends up looking like an eight year old boy.
It was the best goal we've scored in ages. The power and perseverance of Benteke and the clinical precision of Weimann.
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Just got back to Bristol
Very proud of the team this evening and delighted for AW to get a couple of great goals.....I think if we keep Benteke AW and Gabby firing all season we will be fine.
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It deserves repeating, but was anybody else laughing while celebrating the first? Our biggest unit against their's.
Their's ends up looking like an eight year old boy.
It was the best goal we've scored in ages. The power and perseverance of Benteke and the clinical precision of Weimann.
Not the first time Benteke has done it either, he did something similar against Albion where he chased down a lost cause and created something out of nothing.
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Now I have stopped crying. Yeah benteke looks real class. Brilliant signing. Lets hope we keep him and build around that kind of quality going forward.
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It deserves repeating, but was anybody else laughing while celebrating the first? Our biggest unit against their's.
Their's ends up looking like an eight year old boy.
I was - Smalling went down like rag doll, and I was a bit surprised the ref didn't give a foul, although I think he got it right.
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Does anybody else think that Chicoroito looks like a ladyboy?
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The way we set up today and the performance from Benteke, says to me we've seen the last of Bent.
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Now I have stopped crying. Yeah benteke looks real class. Brilliant signing. Lets hope we keep him and build around that kind of quality going forward.
It's the hope that kills you mate. In less than two seasons we all know he'll probably be playing for the Plastic Manc or Chelski.
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For some on here their glasses are half full and some half empty.
I hate losing to those arrogant bastards - but at least we gave them a game today and made them work hard to beat us.
We have now got a developing team and some hope for the future. 12 months ago we had TSM and fear of relegation. Now we have hope. And a chance we can look forward to the future.
Enda Stephens might not make it - but he did all he could today to keep his opponent at bay. When he forced Valencia back towards the half way line late in the first half - that was the sign that we had negated ManU's threat in the first half and we could compete with them. Not long after we were in front.
Weimann is a good goal scorer - give him a chance and he will score more than he misses.
Gabby put in a shift for the team - apparently he doesn't like playing wide left but he was great today providing cover for a young left back making his debut. And he got forward and provided a threat.
Benteke was immense. He is still settling in but he is working out how to play in this league - and he is finding out he has got what it takes.
Ireland - I'm not his no 1 fan - but today he had the best game I've seen him play in a Villa shirt.
First half we frustrated Utd - and grew in confidence - 2nd half we didn't cope with their change of personnel / tactics - but we will learn. We didn't have their resources on the bench.
Lambert is doing an excellent job - be patient and we will improve - only thing I think he did wrong was the 3rd sub when we defending the free kick which led to their winner.
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It was a magnificent result and a magnificent game. Villa did fantastic today, they ran their socks off. We have to feel for them
SAF at his patronising best. I hate him.
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First off we didn't roll over we competative all day, the fact is SAF has players on standby for every circumstance and he usually picks the right option. Thought Benteke was huge for us and Ron did well in defence, the team is taking shape just need a bigger squad with more options.
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The booking really put a stop on Irelands game. He was playing really well for me on and off the ball.
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Haven't been home long. I can't remember the last time we scored in the last minute of the first half. Absolutely delighted at that stage. Felt inevitable they'd win once they scored. I'm annoyed, but not gutted, there was something to be proud of today. Can't remember Given celebrating in games when we scored the same way Guzan does, though that could be lack of memory on my part.
On an unrelated note, couldn't believe how quickly we managed to get away from the Mansfield Green school car park.
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It was a magnificent result and a magnificent game. Villa did fantastic today, they ran their socks off. We have to feel for them
SAF at his patronising best. I hate him.
Couldn't agree more.
One of the worst things about blowing it yet against them will be Fergie patronising us. I used to love it in the mid 90s when we would go up there and got a 0-0 and he'd whinge about us endlessly.
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Just returned to Harrogate.
I was delighted with much of today's game. Westwood was excellent, BB played with lots of discipline and Ireland had his best game for us, I think.
The back four were doing fine but both fullbacks showed their inexperience, particularly Lowton for their second goal.
The front three were magnificent although I think Gabby could have worked Rafael harder in the second half.
The Lambert project is showing some signs of real progress.
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Stephens did well for me and is a much better defender than Bennett, I say keep him in.
Ireland just cannot finish a game, he isn't fit enough, can we not get him fit ?
Benteke was good, Weimann ok, but for me Westwood is not up to it, neither is Bannan.
For all our plucky losers shit, we are in for a struggle, no team should lose a 2-0 lead.
Fucking still hurts after two bottles of wine.
I hate those plastic manc bastards.
That is all.
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I not convinced half the posters here were at the game tonite ........
If we had been told we would lose 3-2 before the game we would have taken that end of ....
The team played their socks off tonite and its unfair to single any one player out for either praise or criticism
Lets be honest Utd are in a different league to use at the moment but we came close to pulling off a shock tonite
All positives from those who were at the game - those stay at home moaners watch the team at VP before slagging them off
Good effort tonite and there is some progress !
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I not convinced half the posters here were at the game tonite ........
If we had been told we would lose 3-2 before the game we would have taken that end of ....
The team played their socks off tonite and its unfair to single any one player out for either praise or criticism
Lets be honest Utd are in a different league to use at the moment but we came close to pulling off a shock tonite
All positives from those who were at the game - those stay at home moaners watch the team at VP before slagging them off
Good effort tonite and there is some progress !
I wasn't at the game and haven't slagged them off. Please don't go down the "better fan than yow" road as it will only end in tears.
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Not seen his name mentioned yet but credit where credit is due, what about Enda Stevens, thought he had a good game tonight and considering the number of games he has played for us looked very promising.
Exactly my thoughts.
I thought he was exceptional since he also had a lot of work to do especially in the first half when Scholes was picking out Valencia on the right wing with pretty much every pass he made.
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The way we set up today and the performance from Benteke, says to me we've seen the last of Bent.
Agreed, wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't play for us again.
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That's the trouble with Villa, if we would have taken a 3-2 defeat before the game that shows why we are where we are.
I haven't missed a home game for 40 years, by the way and i have seen this all before.
There are positives but I'm worried for our safety this season we just don't have enough nous in our team.
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I not convinced half the posters here were at the game tonite ........
If we had been told we would lose 3-2 before the game we would have taken that end of ....
The team played their socks off tonite and its unfair to single any one player out for either praise or criticism
Lets be honest Utd are in a different league to use at the moment but we came close to pulling off a shock tonite
All positives from those who were at the game - those stay at home moaners watch the team at VP before slagging them off
Good effort tonite and there is some progress !
Oh dear
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The unbearable pain of being a Villa fan
perfectly summed up, Brian
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i would just ike to say that Leicester Villan is the greatest fan on earth, even if he comes from Leicester
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i would just ike to say that Leicester Villan is the greatest fan on earth, even if he comes from Leicester
Personally I'd Tina it.
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That was brilliant for 60 minutes or so. By taking it to them we really gave them a game.
So why the fuck did our manager decide that he had had enough and take off our main threats?.
I'm sorry but it has to be said, KEA and Delph are shit. They offer nothing. And to play them together is just telling the opposisitionnthat you have no intention of trying to go forward and attack. I really can't stand this fucking ultra safe shit. We had enough last year.
Benteke, you my son will be a legend, if you really want it you can truly be great.
This is the only negative comment I can make as I was also not happy to see Ireland come off or Weimann, Bannan maybe as he did seem to tire but he had run his socks off.Delph Holmann and Ahmadi are our 'B' list midfield I think.The bench quality differential did for us the catch 22 is keeping your best players(Benteke must already be alerting the top clubs) which is even harder if you are not in the 'Champions' league.
Delph is truly shit.
KEA is starting to worry me an awful lot.
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Just some crap being posted from people who I question have ever been to Villa Park !
And Leicester Villian was born in Halesowen ....worked in Leicester for 20 years and now lives in Cannock !
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Threw away a game that was won. However you hedge it about or dress it up or look for positives we lost. We let slip three points and I shall be very surprised indeed come the end of the season if we are many more than three points above the drop zone Lambert is playing a dangerous game. He wants to play positive, passing attractive football but such a style, while pleasing on the eye and attractive to the pundits does not put points in the bank.
We do not have the ability to lock down a game and for me it keeps coming back to mental strength. We do not have anybody at the back to summon up the blood and stiffen the sinew of the rookie players. The substitutions did nothing to shore up the defence or the midfield.
The long journey home has not eased the pain of a very significant defeat.
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Really? Do we have to have a go at each other? I understand some fans being gutted, it was hard to take. I also understand seeing the positives form the game, we looked decent at times and are getting better.
Cant we just unite and start hating the referee? :)
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I'm sure you were delighted when they got the winner.
There will be no more snide comments like that either.
I wasn't being insulting and nothing was against the rules.
Anyone who just blindly points out the possession stat didn't watch the game. We were efficient with the ball making the most going forward. They didn't do much with the ball, it was used down the wing mainly. We shut them down in the middle, I can't remember how many times they passed it back to their defense due to being ineffective.
There's no point in having more of the ball if you're not actually doing anything with it not being effective. We may of had less of the ball, but all that shows is we were more effective than them when in possession.
It was always going to be able hard to pass it around with ease against such an opponent, but I thought we did a good job considering it was 17th vs 1st.
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My lad had a day off from playing so he treated me to a rare game at VP and have to say I thought we were superb. Benteke was a beast, his control is fantastic and if Lambert can pick a player like this for 6m, we should have faith. Vlaar was class IMHO, and agree Stevens deserves a mention for sticking to his task. Am still a bit worried with Clark at CB, seems to switch off at times, Gabby should have tracked better for that second goal. I like Westwood, keeps it simple, did think at times he or Bannan could have pushed on the midfielder a little, but not a criticism. And as for the fans, was at the back of the Holte and thought the atmosphere was superb
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For some on here their glasses are half full and some half empty.
I hate losing to those arrogant bastards - but at least we gave them a game today and made them work hard to beat us.
We have now got a developing team and some hope for the future. 12 months ago we had TSM and fear of relegation. Now we have hope. And a chance we can look forward to the future.
Enda Stephens might not make it - but he did all he could today to keep his opponent at bay. When he forced Valencia back towards the half way line late in the first half - that was the sign that we had negated ManU's threat in the first half and we could compete with them. Not long after we were in front.
Weimann is a good goal scorer - give him a chance and he will score more than he misses.
Gabby put in a shift for the team - apparently he doesn't like playing wide left but he was great today providing cover for a young left back making his debut. And he got forward and provided a threat.
Benteke was immense. He is still settling in but he is working out how to play in this league - and he is finding out he has got what it takes.
Ireland - I'm not his no 1 fan - but today he had the best game I've seen him play in a Villa shirt.
First half we frustrated Utd - and grew in confidence - 2nd half we didn't cope with their change of personnel / tactics - but we will learn. We didn't have their resources on the bench.
Lambert is doing an excellent job - be patient and we will improve - only thing I think he did wrong was the 3rd sub when we defending the free kick which led to their winner.
Good post. Hope is the word.
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The unbearable pain of being a Villa fan
Before they scored, and I thought we might win, remember thinking about the highs and lows, and somehow, the highs being more annoying than the lows. It makes sense to me, though realise it might not to others.
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I'm sure you were delighted when they got the winner.
There will be no more snide comments like that either.
I wasn't being insulting and nothing was against the rules.
It was a deliberately snide comment with the sole intention of getting a reaction. It also got a member banned because they reacted to your dig. Do not do it again.
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Yeah, well it was about time anyway.
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For some on here their glasses are half full and some half empty.
I hate losing to those arrogant bastards - but at least we gave them a game today and made them work hard to beat us.
We have now got a developing team and some hope for the future. 12 months ago we had TSM and fear of relegation. Now we have hope. And a chance we can look forward to the future.
Enda Stephens might not make it - but he did all he could today to keep his opponent at bay. When he forced Valencia back towards the half way line late in the first half - that was the sign that we had negated ManU's threat in the first half and we could compete with them. Not long after we were in front.
Weimann is a good goal scorer - give him a chance and he will score more than he misses.
Gabby put in a shift for the team - apparently he doesn't like playing wide left but he was great today providing cover for a young left back making his debut. And he got forward and provided a threat.
Benteke was immense. He is still settling in but he is working out how to play in this league - and he is finding out he has got what it takes.
Ireland - I'm not his no 1 fan - but today he had the best game I've seen him play in a Villa shirt.
First half we frustrated Utd - and grew in confidence - 2nd half we didn't cope with their change of personnel / tactics - but we will learn. We didn't have their resources on the bench.
Lambert is doing an excellent job - be patient and we will improve - only thing I think he did wrong was the 3rd sub when we defending the free kick which led to their winner.
Good post. Hope is the word.
Rome wasn't built in a day - it will take time to sort out the mess we were in at the end of last season.
As for Rome I hope most of it is finished when I visit next Easter.
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TRying to look at it a bit more rationally now after reading other comments. Can't believe any one can criticise Westwood he was absolutely matching their midfield and is a very tidy passer. Their first goal was route one and I couldn,t believe that irritating little shit rolled it in.After that it was obvious what was going to happen, but unlike previous years we had a go till the end , they were shit scared of Benteke.All we are missing is that midfield general we all know is what we need.Special mention for Enda Stevens on his 1st Premier league start they obviously singled him out for special treatment but that moment in the first half where he forced them back was great.I must admit I am biased where opinions about us are concerned I prefer the glass half full approach, one or two on here seem happier with the opposite.
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Leave Enda alone. He is a kid thrown in at the deep end against a team who are considered to be our superiors.
Give him your support and he wil come good. Our new re-born Danny Blanchflower in the making.
We are entering a new era with a new team to bring us back to a time of former glories and a new age of greatness.
Give Enda a chance and all praise to PL for giving him that chance.
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I thought we were bloody brilliant. Bodes well for the future. More than matched them in the first half and what could have been if Weimann's header had gone in for his hat-trick. Fair play to ManUre. They never give up and don't know when they are beaten. The Terminator of the Premier League, I suppose. Shame about their so-called supporters though.
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I thought we were bloody brilliant. Bodes well for the future. More than matched them in the first half and what could have been if Weimann's header had gone in for his hat-trick. Fair play to ManUre. They never give up and don't know when they are beaten. The Terminator of the Premier League, I suppose. Shame about their so-called supporters though.
Exactly this, like I earlier said, this was fifth game in which they came back from behind to win the game. Fifth time from 11 games. Fergie has made it into an artform of their own.
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Just some crap being posted from people who I question have ever been to Villa Park !
And Leicester Villian was born in Halesowen ....worked in Leicester for 20 years and now lives in Cannock !
Not having a go mate, but i rarely get to VP nowadays, but as you dont know everyone on this site personally and their Villa supporting history, thats a poor comment. I'm fairly positive that many on here have been season ticket holders, and seen us win everything but an FA cup live, and probably one or 2 who were there that day
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Just some crap being posted from people who I question have ever been to Villa Park !
I hate those glory hunting, plastic Villa fans too.
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Great all round team performance, gutted with the result, there can be no doubt we deserved a draw. We were the better team for an hour. Their first goal was the killer, if we had held out for 10 more mins we would have won. Special mention for Westwood, Benteke, Lowron, Bannan & Vlar.
Whilst we can't glorify a defeat the manner of it fills me with a confidence that we will be OK & that we are on the right track.
I said before the game that the least we could expect was that we wouldn't simply roll over.
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Agree
Though Enda was great. I actually thought he was unfortunate with there 1st goal as Hernandez got the ball stuck, had that not happened he'd probably got the tackle in. He'll learn and get better.
Ashley Westwood was fantastic, I would love to see his pass completion rate for the last two games. Does he ever give the ball away?? Our new Petrov? I wonder.
Benteke? This guy is immence, and to think he'll only get better
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Cant we just unite and start hating the referee? :)
With their first goal was the (dubious) free kick taken from the correct position, and was the ball moving?
I thought ManU should have been called back to take the free kick from the correct position which would have allowed us crucial time to reorganise at the back.
I know that sound trivial but in two passes they went from defence to scoring (whilst the nearest player Benteke (?) had stopped to complain about the award of the free kick). I could not hear the commentary in the pub, and there was too much arguing on this thread so this may have been discussed.
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I still have to face all the plastic mancs on monday morning.
My problem is that I am running out of games. I just want to see us beat those arrogant bastards one more time. When our second went in I thought that it was going to be a great day but it turned out to be the same agony as so many times in the past.
I suppose for old time's sake I should try to come up with some sort of comfort message before I go to bed but the best I can come up with is that Christian Benteke did not deserve to be on the losing side.
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It was the Nistelroy Cup match all over again - as soon as AM missed his hat-trick we just sighed and awaited the inevitable...
But it was EXCITING!!!!
Remeber that?
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17 successive league matches unbeaten for them at VP i think. i just hope we get the chance to end this run in 13/14.
Is Man United's 17 match unbeaten run at our ground actually longer than our longest unbeaten run at our ground?
Cor! That would be a stat attack, right enough.
I'm struggling to even think of one we deserved to win in that time.
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17 successive league matches unbeaten for them at VP i think. i just hope we get the chance to end this run in 13/14.
Is Man United's 17 match unbeaten run at our ground actually longer than our longest unbeaten run at our ground?
Cor! That would be a stat attack, right enough.
I'm struggling to even think of one we deserved to win in that time.
By taking a game that happens once a season you could counter the manure stat with the run we had against Coventry at home.
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sorry lads
a few people have threatend me getting banned
amazing performance from us
god knows how we got beat
luck is always on them manchester chaps side
okay?
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Mixed comments on here tonight. On the whole I thought it was a good performance and we caused them a lot of problems. I felt the formation suited us well and we played some decent football at times. I thought our midfield three were excellent until they ran out of steam in the second half. My one criticism of Paul Lambert is that he maybe should have taken Ireland off earlier, for as well as he played, it was clear he was tired and had drifted out of the game.
Unfortunately we made mistakes at the back tonight (Clark for the first, Gabby for the second and Stevens losing Hernandez for the third) and good teams will punish those kind of mistakes. For me though, there were definite positives to take from the game tonight even though we lost. I didn't think anyone had a particularly bad game and thought Westwood did well (how we could do with someone like Anderson in there as well), Vlaar had a good game, Benteke caused all kind of problems and Stevens did OK in difficult circumstances (when everyone is fit he could probably do with a loan spell somewhere to get some games).
I firmly believe if we can produce that kind of performance on a regular basis then we should be OK this season.
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sorry lads
a few people have threatend me getting banned
amazing performance from us
god knows how we got beat
luck is always on them manchester chaps side
okay?
No they haven't, and no one but a mod can "threaten" that anyway.
You are fully entitled to your point of view and other posters are equally entitled to disagree with it. As long as no one gets personal and insults, deliberately tries to wind someone up etc, then all is good.
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I firmly believe if we can produce that kind of performance on a regular basis then we should be OK this season
i firmly believe that if we are 2-0 up and then ian wright ourselves, then we will be far from OK this season
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I thought we were bloody brilliant. Bodes well for the future. More than matched them in the first half and what could have been if Weimann's header had gone in for his hat-trick. Fair play to ManUre. They never give up and don't know when they are beaten. The Terminator of the Premier League, I suppose. Shame about their so-called supporters though.
Spot on the money. And against 12 men for the whole game - never a foul for the freekick that led to the first goal and Weimann getting flattened in exactly the same circumstances that led to Bennett getting sent off didn't even get a freekick and don't get me started on that cheating little ginger git...
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sorry lads
a few people have threatend me getting banned
amazing performance from us
god knows how we got beat
luck is always on them manchester chaps side
okay?
No they haven't, and no one but a mod can "threaten" that anyway.
You are fully entitled to your point of view and other posters are equally entitled to disagree with it. As long as no one gets personal and insults, deliberately tries to wind someone up etc, then all is good.
ok Peter, check through the posts on here
and tell me "no they haven't"
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Tell me who has.
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tomd2103, I tend to agree re Ireland, he was tired and had run his nuts off to be fair. My small gripe of the manager is taking Bannan off when they had the dangerous free kick position prior to the third goal. Was always brought up not to make changes in such positions, even if it is a 4 foot 9 midget being replaced lol. From other side of ground, I thought it was Clark had lost his man for third goal, but you are probably right.
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Tell me who has.
you tell me
"no they haven't"
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Tell me who has.
you tell me
"no they haven't"
Well i'm hardly going to quote 18 pages worth of posts to back up my claim they haven't am I? So quote the ones who have threatened you.
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Tell me who has.
you tell me
"no they haven't"
ban him i say
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guilty as charged :(
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Right. I just watched the whole second half. The reason that we lost is simple. We stopped playing in the cautious way that earned the lead, chased more goals and the game was wide open.
At 2-0, PL should have made defensive substitutions e.g. Holman for Weimann plus KEA for Ireland and shut up shop. It was way too up tempo and open - exactly what MU thrive upon.
For how many more years will we be so infuriatingly fucking naive?
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I'm sickened....again against those f***ers.
That is all.
Maybe tomorrow I can read the match & post match thread but not today.
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you tell me
"no they haven't"
Marvellous.
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guilty as charged :(
You didn't threaten to ban them though. You made the point that if someone called nornironvillain a twunt it would be them that got banned.
Call him a twunt, it will work, send an apple to PWS though, he likes apples
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Tell me who has.
you tell me
"no they haven't"
Well i'm hardly going to quote 18 pages worth of posts to back up my claim they haven't am I? So quote the ones who have threatened you.
really?
why did you say
"no they haven't" - without looking through all 18 pages?
i would have looked through 18 pages worth before that statement
but then again im not a mod
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It might be a good idea if you took the rest of the night off.
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At 2-0, I thought we'd scored too early; they had nothing to lose and had 3 world class forwards on. We did what most teams do against them and didn't know whether to attack or defend.
Not sure that the subs worked either. We lost shape once KEA/Holman came on, and we had limited 'out' balls once they got into their groove. It would also be nice if teams thought we were a threat at set pieces....late on, United knew they they didn't need to worry about us and could keep players outside the box meaning we couldn't put any pressure on.
But..... Can't help be proud of the performance....I just wish we'd been playing Arsenal tonight....
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I have looked through all 18 pages, and haven't seen a single post threatening to ban you. So it's very simple, show me the post where they threatened to ban you. You obviously know what post(s) it is otherwise you wouldn't make the claim in the first place.
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You made the point that if someone called nornironvillain a twunt it would be them that got banned.
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Nothing pisses me off more than the thought that if we'd played like that all season today would have been our first defeat.
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You made the point that if someone called nornironvillain a twunt it would be them that got banned.
No I didn't. Hawkeye did. Who isn't a mod anyway. You do realise he was saying that the person who called you a twunt would be banned, not you don't you?
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Right. I just watched the whole second half. The reason that we lost is simple. We stopped playing in the cautious way that earned the lead, chased more goals and the game was wide open.
At 2-0, PL should have made defensive substitutions e.g. Holman for Weimann plus KEA for Ireland and shut up shop. It was way too up tempo and open - exactly what MU thrive upon.
For how many more years will we be so infuriatingly fucking naive?
If we'd scored the second with 15mins left I'd definitely agree...but (as i've said elsewhere) it was too early. Defensive for 40minutes would have got the same result I think. We needed a third....
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A friend of mine who is an Arsenal fan (a proper one as well) just posted this on Facebook.
I love that. That goal by Villa. Loved how Benteke showed strength when Smalling tried to knock him off the ball.
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Nothing pisses me off more than the thought that if we'd played like that all season today would have been our first defeat.
back on track, agree, i thgink that PL has found a formula and team that can do OK.
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It's all gone a bit Villa Talk around here recently, hasn't it?
Can't we all just have a hug and agree that yanited are c*nts.
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They definitely are c*nts.
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Yes, some of VT's posters seem to have got lost.
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I think it is because we played well that losing hurts that little bit more tonight.
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A tremendous performance, which against any other team in the universe would have got us at least a point. There are so many positives to take from this game, and if we play even half as good as that for the rest of the season, then we'll have no problems with staying up.
I really like the team we're slowly becoming.
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Nothing pisses me off more than the thought that if we'd played like that all season today would have been our first defeat.
Agreed, we shouldn't get our knickers in a twist over today. we've played well the last 2 games, lets keep it going.
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Just got back to Bedfordshire and too knackered to read previous 18 pages but I am not downhearted, disappointed yes, but I feel more confident about the remainder of the season and that we have a great team, a great Manager and we will win more than we lose and it will be a real joy watching this young side develop. Good night everyone.
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was it stevens that was lost by hernandez for their winner?
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Still reckon our best performances are when Ireland and Bannan are in the team, I think they are the best two mids we have at the moment
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was it stevens that was lost by hernandez for their winner?
It was indeed. He did have a good game though.
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was it stevens that was lost by hernandez for their winner?
It was indeed. He did have a good game though.
i didnt think he did, a definite weak link. played hernandez on for their first and a dismal effort for their third. not good enough.
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I was wondering how big the gap is in terms of experience between Villa & Man Utd today so a quick stat mission shows
Premier League caps for their respective clubs (starting XI plus subs used )
Aston Villa 580 Caps (most of them being Gabby) VS Man Utd 2068 Caps
These don't even take into account RVP's Arsenal Caps, Ash Young's Villa Caps etc.
The more games this Villa team plays the better they will get.
I'm happy with the performances today from our Lions.
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was it stevens that was lost by hernandez for their winner?
It was indeed. He did have a good game though.
i didnt think he did, a definite weak link. played hernandez on for their first and a dismal effort for their third. not good enough.
I think you need to consider how big a game it was for his first Premier League start. He didn't look to out of place and made a few brave runs. Out of him and Bennett I'm not sure who I'd play.
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was it stevens that was lost by hernandez for their winner?
It was indeed. He did have a good game though.
i didnt think he did, a definite weak link. played hernandez on for their first and a dismal effort for their third. not good enough.
I think you need to consider how big a game it was for his first Premier League start. He didn't look to out of place and made a few brave runs. Out of him and Bennett I'm not sure who I'd play.
from the moment he came on at swindon i have been afraid about this kid. their winger tore him a new arse and this was swindon. did reasonably well defending in the first half but offered nothing going forward, wasnt anywhere near close enough to valencia for any part of the second half. to let the player you are marking get a free header on the penalty spot waist high is criminal.
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I think we'll do well to stay up.
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was it stevens that was lost by hernandez for their winner?
It was indeed. He did have a good game though.
i didnt think he did, a definite weak link. played hernandez on for their first and a dismal effort for their third. not good enough.
I think you need to consider how big a game it was for his first Premier League start. He didn't look to out of place and made a few brave runs. Out of him and Bennett I'm not sure who I'd play.
from the moment he came on at swindon i have been afraid about this kid. their winger tore him a new arse and this was swindon. did reasonably well defending in the first half but offered nothing going forward, wasnt anywhere near close enough to valencia for any part of the second half. to let the player you are marking get a free header on the penalty spot waist high is criminal.
He may well not make it, but allowances have to be made for a kid making only his second league appearance. As an example, Bouma was wank in his first few appearances. There were people who wanted Benteke out the starting 11 a month ago saying he was the new Heskey.
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My humble goal for the game was for us to leave United in no doubt that they had a game on their hands today. Too many times before now (with the same fixture last year in particular) we've allowed United to go away with the points without really having to turn up.
Even at 2-0 up I was saying that we've been here before so I wasn't at all surprised at what happened. Of course, it still hurt.
There was so much to be proud of today though. So much to build on too - with the right man in charge to do the building. I'm confident we'll beat these bastards in the coming years. This is still a very inexperienced squad that is still learning how best to play. A few years of building and we'll be a very strong outfit again.
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was it stevens that was lost by hernandez for their winner?
It was indeed. He did have a good game though.
i didnt think he did, a definite weak link. played hernandez on for their first and a dismal effort for their third. not good enough.
I think you need to consider how big a game it was for his first Premier League start. He didn't look to out of place and made a few brave runs. Out of him and Bennett I'm not sure who I'd play.
from the moment he came on at swindon i have been afraid about this kid. their winger tore him a new arse and this was swindon. did reasonably well defending in the first half but offered nothing going forward, wasnt anywhere near close enough to valencia for any part of the second half. to let the player you are marking get a free header on the penalty spot waist high is criminal.
He may well not make it, but allowances have to be made for a kid making only his second league appearance. As an example, Bouma was wank in his first few appearances. There were people who wanted Benteke out the starting 11 a month ago saying he was the new Heskey.
we can all make allowances and excuses, it is only my opinion that he isnt good enough, i compare and contrast someone like westwood who i believ has the talent in making the grade at aston villa had only his second start for the club. 2 very different propositions. i just dont think stevens is good enough.
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Two years ago, under Houllier, we played Man United at home with a side featuring several inexperienced kids, and after going 2 up, drew 2-2. After the match, we all said how great the kids were, how the future was bright etc etc. Subsequently, we continued to struggle and had to spend big on Bent to stay up.
Today, we've played United with an even younger team, given a good account of ourselves, lost 3-2, and we're all saying how the future looks bright, and with good reason.
Last time around, it was under a manager who was coming back for a final fling with the game, and kept comparing us unfavourably with previous employers, a manager who seemed to be going out of his way to alienate us. However, after the January window, and with a little time, we turned things around a little, and managed to finish a creditable (if slightly flattering) ninth.
This time around, we have a young, progressive manager, one who clearly sees this as a job to aspire to rather than one to retire to.
Although it is difficult to plan for the sort of rank stupidity that saw Lerner and Faulkner give the job to McLeish (something which even now still seems unbelievable), last time around, despite the occasional good performance, of which the United game was one, in the long term, we continued to sink.
We are now coming off another heartening, if not points-laden, match against Man United, and this time around, it is pretty clear that we need to give the manager all the help we can. That means us supporting him, understanding what he is doing, and getting behind the team.
However, it also means that Randy absolutely must support him in the January transfer window. We are showing signs of being able to do something, to improve ourselves - and, let's be honest, we are 17th in the league, we MUST improve ourselves, we absolutely have to.
That means we must get some extra bodies in in January. Not more promising lower league players - another two or three Westwoods or Lowtons might be useful, but nowhere near as useful as a bit of experience. Can you imagine how much a Petrov would be helping this side right now? He'd be utterly invaluable.
If we can strengthen in January, we've a chance of providing a base to build on. If we don't, then I am worried it is going to be a long, dark slog ahead.
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I think the most important thing is that we are clearly improving as a side by the week. Last season we carried no goal threat at all and properly lay down for the big boys. We have beaten City in the cup, and put 2 past United and deserved that lead, then conceded 3 with mistakes and inexperience. To write us off as relegation doomed etc would be awful. Sunderland can't buy a goal at the moment, the bottom 3 look very poor and we are playing pretty decent stuff. Benteke is as big a handful as you will find in the league, Gabby looks like the guy we had 4 years back, Westwood and Lowton look every inch premiership players to me, Bannan has been great in the last 2 games, Ireland is finding space and pockets and looks like he is some use at last, Vlaar gets better each week, as does Clark. They need time, and will keep making mistakes, but I am pretty confident after the last few games we will stay up, and do so with some comfort.
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Agree completely re January Paulie. A really top midfield player, and creative winger come forward would be nice, but some experience is vital. I think the most disappointing thing about this season for me has been the form of KEA who I think has really struggled with the pace of the league.
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I thought we played really well.
But in saying that, it's no good saying we are proud of the youngsters - because, their youth whilst giving us some promising moments indeed will ultimately determine our Premier League status. I sight no greater example of the difference between drawing and losing at this level, than their winning goal. Benteke had been a colossus all game then makes one - yes just one bad error leading to the free kick that lost us the game - they are such fine lines between survival and relegation...........
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That's a very good post PaulieW.
One other difference is that Houllier's lads were on borrowed time. As soon as the older players got fit, the youngsters would take a back seat. Today's lads are mostly first choices. They will get more chance to build on a good performance.
The squad last time was a curate's egg of the inexperienced and the very worldweary. Today's team have the advantage of largely being a similar group. Much more likely to bind as a unit and develop together.
Aside from that, we look a much better team playing 4-3-3 than the 4-4-2 diamond. Maybe a significant turning point has been negotiated.
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On transfers in, we either need Dunne back in the side (think he would make a huge difference) or, if it's not him, then a really decent Centre Half signing.
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Agree with that Steve, fingers crossed.
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I'm damn proud of the team that went out there this evening. They kept their shape and frustrated the United attack in the first half, how often did you notice RVP in 45mins? I think that enthusiasm got the better of us at 2-0 and we lost that shape being a little naive and believing we could lump 4 past them, as we went forward we left a little gap at the back, Clark should have been tighter to Hernandez when that ball was played.
The way the team played for each other was fantastic, everybody worked hard to cover for each other, everyone chased every missed pass and every half clearance. Benteke was excellent, he is in possessiion and when Bent gets fit he has to win that shirt back. Christian is going to be a very good signing.
We aren't far off. The delivery from wide was much improved, Lowton getting down the line, Gabby off the left and Wee Barry. We need the man to play at the top of that midfield though, I'm not sure Ireland is the man, his consistency of performance is lacking, he doesn't look the player he was 3/4 years ago.
We are 2 players short, someone to push Gabby's spot on the left and the attacking midfielder. If we sell Bent then he will need replacing too.
We are close.
Edit: I apologise, I forgot Weimann, he was excellent too. When he fluffed the pass to Ireland in the 1st half the United fans I was watching with were giving it the big "he's shit, isn't he?", and to them I say :P
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Ended up being pretty inevitable, but the performance was all we could hope for. Benteke and Ireland the pick no question. I actually thought weimann was embarassingly bad until his second by the way. Bannan and Westwood looked a partnership. Stevens did ok for the most part but was at fault for goals 1 and 3 no question.
Benteke was a fucking monster though wasn't he? Did guzan make a serious save?
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How do I feel after today? Well after a lifetime of bing a Villa fan, I feel used to it. But also a tadge prouder than I have been for a while.
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Only Just recovered enough to watch motd stopped after the villa goals couldn't bear to watch Manure after that, lucky bastards.Still gutted about about Hernandez's first goal the minute it got stuck under his feet but managed to roll back into a shooting opportunity... I knew we would lose.
I'm glad Benteke is proving me right about not playing Bent, he was immense.
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Agree completely re January Paulie. A really top midfield player, and creative winger come forward would be nice, but some experience is vital. I think the most disappointing thing about this season for me has been the form of KEA who I think has really struggled with the pace of the league.
If we stick with the same formation, I agree that adding quality players in those positions in January would make a big difference. I still think that some experienced full-back cover might also be useful even if it's only on loan.
As for KEA, I heard an ex-pro talking on the radio earlier in the week about the need to move the ball to quickly when in possession. I thought there was a noticeable difference today in the speed Westwood and Bannan moved the ball compared to KEA and Delph when they came on. I thought the latter two moved the ball a lot slower and took too many touches at times.
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Aside from that, we look a much better team playing 4-3-3 than the 4-4-2 diamond. Maybe a significant turning point has been negotiated.
Good point Steve. I think Lambert has now got a formation that suits the players we have and one which we look comfortable in. I didn't think we ever looked comfortable in the diamond formation and finding a formation which does work could well be the turning point you mentioned.
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Finally tracked down a pub in central London showing the game. Seriously, I'm finding it hard to get my head round a tv with sport on not being in every boozer as is the case in Ireland.
Anyway, after our second goal I turned to the Villa fan beside me and said it was no time to be counting our chickens. At 2-1 I thought how useful Dunne's experience at the back would be right now. We were letting United come on to us into shooting positions, Rooney and Van Persie's double woodwork efforts serving warning. Annoyingly, we actually were doing the more difficult defending very well - time and time again Vlaar and Clark read United's through balls down the side of the box spot-on. So the goals we gave away were really hard to stomach.
On a positive note, I was so impressed by the Beast. Fuck me, never mind his forebearers - he'd have Heskey for breakfast and shit Baptiste out after dinner. United did not know how to handle him. Fucking Ferdinand fouling him and going ballistic at the decision going against him was a pleasant sight. Smalling being totally "pwned" for the goal even moreso. Christian was a magnet and his deft lay-offs and retention of possession were arguably more impressive. What a player he could be. Weimann I thought was really struggling to get into the game before his goal. What a bloody strike though. The lad can finish, has guile and plenty of spirit about him. Very hard not to take to the player. That first goal kind of reminded me of Gabby's insurance goal against Chelsea at VP in '07 after Young's cross. Y'know, when Doug proffered his hand to Roman. Strikes me that there's not much that separates us from MON's side of yore except that he had a settled, stronger defence. I think we have more flexibility going forward now though and we will gradually become more than an errant, exciting counter-attacking team.
Encouraging and predictable, ultimately. But there's more hope for the short and medium term now than there was a few hours ago and that will do me for now.
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Bloody outstanding performance by us.
I just wish A. Young had played much better.
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A Young Did Play Well. A Young Villa Striker Called Benteke Was Excellent.
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One word, gutted.
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How many times can Utd do this shit to us? Basfuckingtards.
Delighted for Weimann though, think the front three of him with Benteke and Gabby is a great mix, it has it all. Bents got his work cut out getting back into the side when he's back fit.
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Felt for the stewards tonight. Whoever took the decision to put the game on general sale should be sacked. I'd rather have a half empty stadium than be sat with the number of horrible c*nts that were in the upper North yesterday.
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If we had been told we would lose 3-2 before the game we would have taken that end of ....
Speak for yourself! What kind of idiot would 'take' a defeat before a ball is kicked? I know they're a good side, but with that attitude we might as well give up.
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I thought the free kick for their 3rd was more the fault of KEA than Benteke, but will have to watch it again.
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Benteke tried a first time lay off into midfield which was stupid. He should have took it down and held onto it. Then KEA gave away a silly foul.
Surprised to see some comments that Westwood struggled to influence the game. I thought he did a fine protecting job for an hour, and he had a 93% pass completion rate. Looks a better bet than KEA to me, while Bannan normally creates a couple of great chances every match so deserves his place.
I hope we don't end up wasting that performance. That would have undoubtedly brought a win against Arsenal in a couple of weeks for example.
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Really like this picture.
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After a night's sleep that defeat still hurts as much as ever. How many times have you seen us lose games after the 70th minute substitutions? There was still running in the legs of the players he took off especially Andreas but both Holman and KEA did not look mentally up to speed. If you are going to play Holman you have to start with him because his one very big asset is his engine not his pace. His tackling is not particularly good and his passing is Cuellar standard. As for KEA he seems to have the transparent weakness of always being jockeyed out of position by his opponent. He manages to get behind his man or screened from the ball and unable to win possession so he spends much of the time on the pitch running just behind the shoulders of opponents. He also seem to be Downingesque in not liking to get hurt. I can see him going down the same road as Makoun.
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I think you need to consider how big a game it was for his first Premier League start. He didn't look to out of place and made a few brave runs. Out of him and Bennett I'm not sure who I'd play.
I think Bennett will turn out to be better then Stevens.
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It's all gone a bit Villa Talk around here recently, hasn't it?
Can't we all just have a hug and agree that yanited are c*nts.
Yes but because these c**** are all around us I get hurt by Manu turning up and winning like this more than any other defeat. The w*nkers in the Upper Witton end and the twats that I know socially and even within the family I just wanted to ram a 2-0 down their throat but.....
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If we had been told we would lose 3-2 before the game we would have taken that end of ....
A very strange statement from a Villa fan!
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Gutted to know that either Man.Utd or Man.City will buy Benteke of us for £30 million in 4 years
I can see a big club coming in for him, we need to make the most of him while he's here.
Valiant performance (bearing in mind how poor we are) but i'm getting fed up of being Fergie's bitch.
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I think you need to consider how big a game it was for his first Premier League start. He didn't look to out of place and made a few brave runs. Out of him and Bennett I'm not sure who I'd play.
I think Bennett will turn out to be better then Stevens.
Stevens did well in a tough game and may be a useful cover at left back but i think I'd go for Bennett if fit - both will improve with experience.
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If we had been told we would lose 3-2 before the game we would have taken that end of ....
Speak for yourself!
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Stevens was awful at Swindon but much of that could have been nerves.
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Really liked the shape of our team. We look so much better without KEA, Holman and dare I say it Bent. There was power and pace out there, the players looked like the understood the system. As for Westwood I thought he was exceptional, my MOM.
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Gutted to know that either Man.Utd or Man.City will buy Benteke of us for £30 million in 4 years
That will always happen to a club of our stature. Look at what has happened for the last few years. I think I've become immune to it - just hope we replace them well when they do go. The only positive about it is they have to be pretty consistently great for us to move to a bigger club.
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This probably sounds a bit moronic having scored twice (a bit like the Bent debate) but I would look to play more of a winger in Weimann's position in the future (i.e. after the transfer window) as I think we need players either side of Benteke that can stretch the opposition more on the outside rather than tucking in all the time.
A bit more fluidity and width would hopefully create space in the middle for the Beast.
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Really liked the shape of our team. We look so much better without KEA, Holman and dare I say it Bent. There was power and pace out there, the players looked like the understood the system. As for Westwood I thought he was exceptional, my MOM.
Yes things are takimg shape and I think lambert is getting a more settled side and style of play - Westwood looks a future captain one day if we can keep hold of him that long, the fear is that as our good players develop they will be snapped up by the so called bigger boys.
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It's all gone a bit Villa Talk around here recently, hasn't it?
Can't we all just have a hug and agree that yanited are c*nts.
Yes but because these c**** are all around us I get hurt by Manu turning up and winning like this more than any other defeat. The w*nkers in the Upper Witton end and the twats that I know socially and even within the family I just wanted to ram a 2-0 down their throat but.....
take the moral high ground aftab, you will never be a gloryhunting soulless twat like them tossers! dont ever take abuse from a manure 'fan' who lives round here, just say youre opinion is of no significancce to me gloryhunter!
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Really liked the shape of our team. We look so much better without KEA, Holman and dare I say it Bent. There was power and pace out there, the players looked like the understood the system. As for Westwood I thought he was exceptional, my MOM.
Yes things are takimg shape and I think lambert is getting a more settled side and style of play - Westwood looks a future captain one day if we can keep hold of him that long, the fear is that as our good players develop they will be snapped up by the so called bigger boys.
We just have to accept that, it's been like that for decades in reality - Yorke, Platt etc etc
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That nah nah nah song they do is fucking awful as well.
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Immensely proud and massively disappointed
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Disney Walmart F.C of Manchester walk off with the points from Villa Park again.
The spawny, flukey, sickening bunch of bed wetting wankers.
Yes, I am bitter. Still, I'm proud of our team, all things considered. It's not showing in points (yet) but something good is slowly taking shape.
Being fussy I'd like to stop being so direct so often and turning the ball over as soon as we have it. We have players who can play the ball around so try it more often.
Very, very unlucky not to get at least a point from this game. Naivety caught up with us and lady luck shat on our chest.
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Gutted to know that either Man.Utd or Man.City will buy Benteke of us for £30 million in 4 years
That will always happen to a club of our stature. Look at what has happened for the last few years. I think I've become immune to it - just hope we replace them well when they do go. The only positive about it is they have to be pretty consistently great for us to move to a bigger club.
Richer not bigger.
I hope Randy has the genuine appetite to start building once more now. We have a window of about two years to build a team around the likes of Benteke, if we can get the players in and become a force again then who knows what could happen.
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Immensely proud and massively disappointed
This 100%......
Praying we keep this spirit throughout the side for the rest of the season and we will be fine. Feeling like Villa are on the verge of building a really good solid side. I can see similarities between what Lambert is doing and the great job Moyes has done at Everton...a proper team built rather than bought.
Great support from the stands yesterday as well......lets keep it going.
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Really liked the shape of our team. We look so much better without KEA, Holman and dare I say it Bent. There was power and pace out there, the players looked like the understood the system. As for Westwood I thought he was exceptional, my MOM.
Yes things are takimg shape and I think lambert is getting a more settled side and style of play - Westwood looks a future captain one day if we can keep hold of him that long, the fear is that as our good players develop they will be snapped up by the so called bigger boys.
We just have to accept that, it's been like that for decades in reality - Yorke, Platt etc etc
It's the same for all clubs - all clubs are selling clubs. It's all about when you sell. If we do sell any player we have to make sure we do it on our terms and only when it is right for Aston Villa. If there is a plan in place and we have a better replacement lined up then I am all in favour of selling any player. Selling a player just to cash in and not build the club is the unforgivable crime.
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Proud of the way we played,still gutted about them coming back at us,lucky bastards! Play like that against arsenal and we will beat them
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I thought we were great yesterday although you just knew deep down they were going to get back into it. Once again, Benteke was immense. He really looks a find. We'll be ok if we keep playing like that.
The two moments that cost us was that ridiculous free kick against Benteke leading up their first goal which Man Utd even took from the wrong place, and the sub Lambert made just before the free kick. It was a stupid time to make it, a similar thing cost us at Fulham when they made a sub just before the corner they scored from. We all switched off at the back and it happened again yesterday.
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Can we stop referring to other clubs as "bigger". They are richer loaded with dirty money or in debt to the tune of about a billion as in the case of manure. We are same as Arsenal a so called selling club. When £30m is dangled and players heads are turned there is f all we can do about it. If Benteke or any other of our youngsters leaves for £30m in 3 years time we would be doing well in any case.
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I was so proud of the lads yesterday, all you could ask before the game was that they give their all and they certainly did that. If we play like this for the rest of the season we'll be fine. I thought Benteke was immense yesterday we have some player there. I wish just once we could beat those tossers, even when we were two up I thought I bet we end up losing it's so depressing but I am used to it seen it so many times.
One other thing I thought it was a disgrace the Man Utd fans singing through the applause for Petrov, their fans are bloody scum.
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I still can't see a foul by KEA for their 3rd. What did he do? The ref was overly generous to Man U all night. He gave us nothing.
Still, very proud of our boys for the spirit they showed, we will be okay this season and we can push on next.
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They were singing "19" which I thought was in respect of stans shirt but got home to realise it was 19 titles.
Grade A wankers.
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Nothing pisses me off more than the thought that if we'd played like that all season today would have been our first defeat.
Know what you mean. But if we're looking for positives then. The major one for me is that we now know the bulk of our best team.
I think the attack looks a real threat, the central midfield pairing of Westwood and Bannan is a big improvement on anything else we've seen and despite conceding three goals I don't think there's too much concern with the defence.
On that basis, in my opinion they're good enough to do. Ore than merely survive and it gives Lambert time and a platform to plan his improvements.
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Richer not bigger.
I hope Randy has the genuine appetite to start building once more now. We have a window of about two years to build a team around the likes of Benteke, if we can get the players in and become a force again then who knows what could happen.
Man United are without bigger than us and most others. With Manchester City, although they haven't got our history, I doubt we will be winning any league titles soon or qualifying for the Champions League. Like it or not, at present they are infinitely more attractive for players so are much bigger than us at the moment.
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In Jan then do we go short term or long term?
An experienced CH, who will be here for 1/2 seasons, but see us through, or a younger, up and coming CH who might make mistakes.Same as central midfield, a Parker or a Capoue?
A bit harsh on here regarding Stevens, not at fault for the 1st goal for me, Clark should probably do better, but hes not a bad goalscorer Hernandez is he.I really rate Valencia, but i thought Stevens kept him relatively quiet.Fell asleep for the last goal, but we was too deep on the free kick.
For me the difference in the game was Bentekes chance, when Smalling got there before him, and Hernandez last goal.They defended it, they scored.Instead of us winning 3-2, we lost 3-2.
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It's a sad fact that Villa need to sell players in order to compete, as our income from commercial and through the gates (TV is pretty neutral for all clubs) is not enough. We need need to accept that and make plans to ensure each sale does not fuck us up.
1. Trust the young players (so we do not have another Cahill situation)
2. Get the best price possible
3. Have a scouting network in place so that replacements are already signed and within the club
4. Reinvest the money
...and repeat, slowly the whole club can grow and the young players we can sign will improve.
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If Weimann stuck that header away we may have seen the game out (Ok I'm blocking the 2 'hit the bar' moments out-my therapist says I cannot handle too much stress/reality)
but as he didn't all I can say is "oh Bollocks"
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Nothing but positives for us from yesterdays game. We were fantastic and played the best football that i have watched for a long, long time.
If this is the signs of things to come then we are going to be knocking on the top six door very soon.
Fantastic performance Villa, fantastic.
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What happened with the incident in the first half where a foul was awarded against Ireland when he took the ball off Scholes and laid it to Benteke who was clean through? I was in The Holte so didn't get a great view but some people in the pub last night were telling me Scholes kicked the floor and fell over.
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What happened with the incident in the first half where a foul was awarded against Ireland when he took the ball off Scholes and laid it to Benteke who was clean through? I was in The Holte so didn't get a great view but some people in the pub last night were telling me Scholes kicked the floor and fell over.
Scholes tackled himself, the ref hesitated for a second, assessed the danger, saw Benteke was clean through and blew up.
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Obviously disappointed but to be fair we didn't capitulate and they were exceptional for about half an hour. During that spell we still looked to get forward and create ourselves. Other dropped 3 points against this lot is usually the result of our bottle going and us hanging on for grim death. not last night. For that we should be proud of the belief the team had in themselves. Carry this type of performance on week in week out and we'll be challenging at the right endof the table.
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In three years time can they realistically be any stronger than they are today? I'd say not. But can we? Absolutely. Yesterday's game demonstrated that we aren't as far off being able to compete as many of us thought. I'm thrilled that we've found a system and selection that suits us and can't wait to see what we'll do against lesser teams than United.
In the last two weeks Weimann, Westwood, Bannan, Lowton and Benteke have really gone up in my estimations. They are potentially top quality. This year we need to survive first and foremost, anything else is a bonus. Then we can kick on from there.
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What happened with the incident in the first half where a foul was awarded against Ireland when he took the ball off Scholes and laid it to Benteke who was clean through? I was in The Holte so didn't get a great view but some people in the pub last night were telling me Scholes kicked the floor and fell over.
I think a few key decisions went against us. The one above but crucially with the first goal - and I need to see this again - it appeared that the free kick was taken from the wring place whilst the ball was still moving. Man U were effectively played on. The ref can make mistakes of judgement but he should not have allowed Man U to do that.
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What happened with the incident in the first half where a foul was awarded against Ireland when he took the ball off Scholes and laid it to Benteke who was clean through? I was in The Holte so didn't get a great view but some people in the pub last night were telling me Scholes kicked the floor and fell over.
I think a few key decisions went against us. The one above but crucially with the first goal - and I need to see this again - it appeared that the free kick was taken from the wring place whilst the ball was still moving. Man U were effectively played on. The ref can make mistakes of judgement but he should not have allowed Man U to do that.
They took a few free kicks from the wrong place, he did finally get on top of their stealing yards on throw ins. On the free kick, I couldn't see the foul by Benteke at the time and still don't see it now I've seen the highlights on MOTD.
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I hope Randy has the genuine appetite to start building once more now. We have a window of about two years to build a team around the likes of Benteke, if we can get the players in and become a force again then who knows what could happen.
Surely you know that won't happen?
He's lost interest and he seems to be happy for us to tread water, although we may drown unless the midfield is sorted out.
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We are same as Arsenal.
Except they are in the Champions League every season and have home gates of 60,000.
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Right. I just watched the whole second half. The reason that we lost is simple. We stopped playing in the cautious way that earned the lead, chased more goals and the game was wide open.
At 2-0, PL should have made defensive substitutions e.g. Holman for Weimann plus KEA for Ireland and shut up shop. It was way too up tempo and open - exactly what MU thrive upon.
For how many more years will we be so infuriatingly fucking naive?
I can see your point, but, Could you imagine the comments had he done that?
Even if we'd have hung on he'd have been slated in some quarters for inviting them on. (not by me I hasten to add)
I felt they were there for the taking at 2-0, and had we had the rub of the green with their first goal, when the ball got stuck under his feet only for it to roll perfectly for him, I honestly believe we'd have won.
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To be ultra critical Clark was at fault for the first and third goals. He didn't react at at all to Hernandez going through and didn't put his leg out to block any attempted shot, he just ran with him. Lack of defending instinct maybe?But he should have done better.
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No bias in these highlight selections! (http://www.101greatgoals.com/goals/england/team-sheets-aston-villa-v-manchester-united/)
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KEA made a mess of his control that led up to the free-kick for their third goal. He had control but he allowed it to squirm away from him; having said that, it didn't look a free-kick as they were both jostling for the ball. But that's it, Manure get these decisions every time from over generous ref's and if you work on percentages, it's no wonder they win so many games.
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To be ultra critical Clark was at fault for the first and third goals. He didn't react at at all to Hernandez going through and didn't put his leg out to block any attempted shot, he just ran with him. Lack of defending instinct maybe?But he should have done better.
I agree Pete, he just doesn't seem to have that defender's instinct at all. I think he'd be a better defensive midfielder to be honest, and would think about playing him there ahead of KEA and Delph, neither of whom are very good.
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Obviously disappointed but to be fair we didn't capitulate and they were exceptional for about half an hour. During that spell we still looked to get forward and create ourselves. Other dropped 3 points against this lot is usually the result of our bottle going and us hanging on for grim death. not last night. For that we should be proud of the belief the team had in themselves. Carry this type of performance on week in week out and we'll be challenging at the right endof the table.
Southampton "had a go" at them at home, with the same result, and are still in the bottom three.
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The defending for goal 3 was abysmal but by then the die was cast.
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I thought we were as good as I have seen us in a long time last night. As posted on the match thread, I got really angry after their third. But this wasn't anger at seeing a Villa team do the 'inevitable'. It was anger that our performance wasn't going to earn us a point. I felt we deserved to get something from that game.
We passed it brilliantly for the first hour last night and moved forward to great effect. I have loved Weimann since the tail end of last season and really felt we had our best three strikers on the pitch last night. Darren Bent quite simply isn't suited to this villa side and PL's style of play. The work-rate from Gabby, Benteke and Weimann was phenomenal and Weimann was clinical (deserved a hat-rick, if only that header was a yard either side...). Our young players, who many of us had worried were becoming accustomed to losing, actually are starting to look like hungry winners. Bannan has improved an awful lot while Clark is looking quite composed.
As others have said, KEA worries me slightly. He just seems a bit off the pace and lacking in energy. I don't think Delph will ever make it at this level. I fail to see anything that suggests he will. I have always thought Delph was very ordinary and we seldom seem to do well with him on the pitch.
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Obviously disappointed but to be fair we didn't capitulate and they were exceptional for about half an hour. During that spell we still looked to get forward and create ourselves. Other dropped 3 points against this lot is usually the result of our bottle going and us hanging on for grim death. not last night. For that we should be proud of the belief the team had in themselves. Carry this type of performance on week in week out and we'll be challenging at the right endof the table.
Southampton "had a go" at them at home, with the same result, and are still in the bottom three.
That's because they concede 5 every other week and are a load of shite.
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I think there's a good player in KEA, maybe he needs a season to fully settle in and get to grips with the pace of the league. I would'nt touch the midfield at the moment though. The only problem for me is that because we're playing Weimann, we're missing width at times.
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I thought we were as good as I have seen us in a long time last night. As posted on the match thread, I got really angry after their third. But this wasn't anger at seeing a Villa team do the 'inevitable'. It was anger that our performance wasn't going to earn us a point. I felt we deserved to get something from that game.
We passed it brilliantly for the first hour last night and moved forward to great effect. I have loved Weimann since the tail end of last season and really felt we had our best three strikers on the pitch last night. Darren Bent quite simply isn't suited to this villa side and PL's style of play. The work-rate from Gabby, Benteke and Weimann was phenomenal and Weimann was clinical (deserved a hat-rick, if only that header was a yard either side...). Our young players, who many of us had worried were becoming accustomed to losing, actually are starting to look like hungry winners. Bannan has improved an awful lot while Clark is looking quite composed.
As others have said, KEA worries me slightly. He just seems a bit off the pace and lacking in energy. I don't think Delph will ever make it at this level. I fail to see anything that suggests he will. I have always thought Delph was very ordinary and we seldom seem to do well with him on the pitch.
Good post, the youngsters like benteke, Westwood, Lowton, bannan, and Weimann will gain a lot of confidence from that display and having a good run in the side - the system looked good and suited the players and its hard to see where bent or nzogbia would fit into things as it stands- work rate and high energy are a big feature of this team and I think the future looks a lot rosier now.
If we continue to play like this the results will come and with results comes confidence - we could find ourselves putting together a decent run and moving up to mid table, city will be tough but arsenal are not a team to fear and I'm hoping this is the start of an exciting time to be a villa fan.
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Wasn't at the game but was in Brum for this one, glued to the radio set.
WM kept saying this game will be the watershed moment for Lambert - it HAS to get better. Our 4-2-3-1 formation seems to work for us (incidentally the same one the Boggies are using)
Westwood and Stevens sounded like they gave a very good account of themselves. Ireland has found his role, Guzan's a monster and Benteke is a f***ing dragon.
How we play against Reading will be the mark of this team's mental strength, I have no doubt Lambert will use ManYoo as nuclear fuel to shove it up the Royals' arses.
Oh, and Bent is finished as a Villa player.
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Very proud of last nights performance and felt we were extremely unfortunate not to get anything from the match. Uniteds first 2 required to extremely large slice of luck to go in.
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To be ultra critical Clark was at fault for the first and third goals. He didn't react at at all to Hernandez going through and didn't put his leg out to block any attempted shot, he just ran with him. Lack of defending instinct maybe?But he should have done better.
I disagree. It was Stevens who lost Hernandez for the third. And it was Stevens who played him onside for the first although perhaps Clark should still have been tighter.
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Have had time to reflect ; I still feel hollow - despite our best performance at Villa Park we still contrived to blow a two goal advantage. OK we raised our game, as we did against Citeh but we have failed to do so against the might of Norwich and Southampton.
I was pleased with the way we played but we still got overun at the end - Bannon and Ireland looked shattered - yes they worked hard but are they fit?
I want to believe that this game (as was Sunderland) is a turning point in the season and we can build upon it and start getting the points on the board...but we are talking about the Villa here - watch us cock it up against Reading at home.
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I thought the free kick for their 3rd was more the fault of KEA than Benteke, but will have to watch it again.
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I thought the free kick for their 3rd was more the fault of KEA than Benteke, but will have to watch it again.
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Me too, although it would be harsh to blame him alone, Hernandez shouldn't have had a free header in the box , bannan miskicked in the build up to the equaliser and Stevens played Hernandez onside for the 1st - all things with a bit of luck that wouldn't be punished but unfortunately Hernandez is a lethal finisher.
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KEA made a mess of his control that led up to the free-kick for their third goal. He had control but he allowed it to squirm away from him; having said that, it didn't look a free-kick as they were both jostling for the ball. But that's it, Manure get these decisions every time from over generous ref's and if you work on percentages, it's no wonder they win so many games.
exactly , I was more pissed off with him losing the ball and the ref gave them all the decisions .
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They've just shown the goals again on Goals on Sunday and they showed it from a striker's point of view. They showed for the first one that Hernandez started 10 yards behind our defensive line and then came back into an onside position in between Clark and Stevens. I don't think Stevens was to blame for the first one. I think Clark needed to react faster but you're talking half a second difference - that's how finer margin it was. Hernandez was lucky that the ball fell into his stride after he messed up the initial touches.
For the second goal, firstly if Gabby's going to play that position he needs to learn the defensive side too. He just stood ball watching and let Rafael drift in behind him. Not good enough for a Premier League player. Stop the cross. Having let the cross come in, all our defenders are central outnumbering RVP and Rooney whilst Hernandez has drifted outside of the box and come back in totally unmarked.
By the time the third goal came I think there was a lot of mental tiredness creeping in. Benteke needs to hold the ball up. KEA can't be giving away a freekick at that stage of the game. The defensive line is too deep in the box to defend the set-piece - perhaps inexperience and desperately trying to hold onto something late into the game. And Stevens loses Hernandez. Hard to put too much emphasis on Stevens though given that his first full Premier League game is against Man Utd. He must have been concentrating all game and a momentary lapse of concentration isn't a surprise at this stage of his career.
That's looking at what went wrong. There was so much that we did right though - both from a defensive aspect and the way we attacked them. Our defence has looked a lot more organised recently and they understand eachother a lot better. The core of this side is very good and we should be able to pick up enough points throughout the rest of the season to finish somewhere mid-table.
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As others have said, KEA worries me slightly. He just seems a bit off the pace and lacking in energy. I don't think Delph will ever make it at this level. I fail to see anything that suggests he will. I have always thought Delph was very ordinary and we seldom seem to do well with him on the pitch.
KEA worries me too. I think PL has realised westwood is probably better than he thought he was and KEA is not as good . Too much side passing for me , there was moments in the late stages yesterday when we needed to get the ball forward and still he went for the Draper pass and sometimes back to the goalie .
I might be being a little hard on him but I don't think he looks the regular I was hoping for. But it can take a foreign player a year to settle.
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Faced with van persie, Rooney and Hernandez as well as Valencia out wide I think our defence did their best , united were clinical - against most teams we would have won the game.
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The only note of caution I would sound the day after the excellent account of yesterday is that 2 years ago, we followed up a great performance against United with a clueless one against Arsenal. Obviously, different team, different time but Lambert knows we can do it, now he needs to work on the negatives before City and the Gooners.
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In Jan then do we go short term or long term?
An experienced CH, who will be here for 1/2 seasons, but see us through, or a younger, up and coming CH who might make mistakes.Same as central midfield, a Parker or a Capoue?
A bit harsh on here regarding Stevens, not at fault for the 1st goal for me, Clark should probably do better, but hes not a bad goalscorer Hernandez is he.I really rate Valencia, but i thought Stevens kept him relatively quiet.Fell asleep for the last goal, but we was too deep on the free kick.
For me the difference in the game was Bentekes chance, when Smalling got there before him, and Hernandez last goal.They defended it, they scored.Instead of us winning 3-2, we lost 3-2.
It really depends on what sort of nick Dunne is in when he returns. If he is fit and looking sharp then we probably won't need a CB in the January window. We do however need a quality central midfielder and wide forward.
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The key to our season now is that we raise our game to this level and tempo against the QPR & Readings of this world. We've put ourselves into a position where we have to start winning such games.
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The key to our season now is that we raise our game to this level and tempo against the QPR & Readings of this world. We've put ourselves into a position where we have to start winning such games.
Agreed, I thought after Newcastle and Swansea we were making real progress but then along came Southampton. We really should be beating the teams in and around us .
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Agree Eastie, I just hope last nights performance isn't another false dawn and is sustainable. Hopefully this new 4-2-3-1 formation is a breakthrough for us.
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I really don't get all this Bent bashing. What we need is a strong squad with competition for places, not writing off players because other give encouraging performances. If Lambert needs to sell him to raise funds to strengthen in other areas, then so be it. But, if he gets the funds anyway, I wouldn't let a proven goalscorer leave the club unless a more than adequate replacement is brought in.
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I'm proud of our performance but gutted at the result if we play like that every game we will win more than we lose I would keep that team now it's got a good look to it.
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The key to our season now is that we raise our game to this level and tempo against the QPR & Readings of this world. We've put ourselves into a position where we have to start winning such games.
Agreed, I thought after Newcastle and Swansea we were making real progress but then along came Southampton. We really should be beating the teams in and around us .
Southampton came as a real shock to us all and took us a few games to recover. Holman and Bent played well against Newcastle, yet, they are out of the team now and we have recovered and look to be improving.
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To be ultra critical Clark was at fault for the first and third goals. He didn't react at at all to Hernandez going through and didn't put his leg out to block any attempted shot, he just ran with him. Lack of defending instinct maybe?But he should have done better.
I disagree. It was Stevens who lost Hernandez for the third. And it was Stevens who played him onside for the first although perhaps Clark should still have been tighter.
True enough about Stevens, especially on the first. A full back should not be goal side of centre backs in that situation.
However I felt Clark should have done more. With the first goal Hernandez was off balance and still managed to keep possession. An experienced defender would have been in his space bumping and boring him. Hernandez was allowed too much licence to pick his time for a shot.
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The big improvement in our side since Westwood came in is quite noticeable. His ability to calmly retain possession makes our game tick and is massively important.
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We look far more robust and shaped with westwood in for KEA.
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Just me that noticed Bannan's air kick before the second goal.
Not saying we'd have won but that was a very basic clearence to mess up.
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Only caught half of yesterday's match, saw the first 4 goals but there was a lot to like in our performance but yeah the result was heart-breaking as usual.
For me, I'm happy enough, can see a side and a formation taking shape I just pray that the lads are encourages by that performance rather than shot-to-pieces. They should know that they showed plenty yesterday and you've got to think that Lambert with another couple of windows (and with our new scout on board), if he picks up another few up and coming players and the likes of Bannan, Lowton and Westwood continue to improve then the future looks pretty bright.
Surely he has to stick with 4231 now? Just seems to have a great balance to it. Solid at the back, not overrun in midfield and plenty of attacking threat up top.
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The big improvement in our side since Westwood came in is quite noticeable. His ability to calmly retain possession makes our game tick and is massively important.
Hugely impressed with him - a future captain I think and seems confident and comfortable in possession and able to organise too, a really good signing as are Vlaar, Lowton and benteke.
Not convinced yet with Bennett and kea , but maybe they are still settling in , certainly Westwood looks a lot better in midfield than kea did and seems to pass forward a lot more as well.
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In regards to KEA, Petrov took a fair time to settle, and he was only coming down from scotland. its different for all players isn't it? time will tell i suppose.
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In regards to KEA, Petrov took a fair time to settle, and he was only coming down from scotland. its different for all players isn't it? time will tell i suppose.
True, he looked really good pre season but has a knack of slowing things down and going sideways and backwards whereas Westwood seems to play a more high tempo game and look for a more attacking option- his passing accuracy is excellent as well.
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westwood seems to be bringing the best out of bannan too
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westwood seems to be bringing the best out of bannan too
And Ireland. They all seem to be on the same wavelength, and bringing out the best in each other. Considering Westwood's been there for a couple of months, this can only get better.
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To be ultra critical Clark was at fault for the first and third goals. He didn't react at at all to Hernandez going through and didn't put his leg out to block any attempted shot, he just ran with him. Lack of defending instinct maybe?But he should have done better.
I disagree. It was Stevens who lost Hernandez for the third. And it was Stevens who played him onside for the first although perhaps Clark should still have been tighter.
True enough about Stevens, especially on the first. A full back should not be goal side of centre backs in that situation.
However I felt Clark should have done more. With the first goal Hernandez was off balance and still managed to keep possession. An experienced defender would have been in his space bumping and boring him. Hernandez was allowed too much licence to pick his time for a shot.
stevens was ball watching and not up the pitch enough for the first and was totally inept for the third. clark cannot have any blame as he did all he could do to try to get back to help deal with hernandez, one false kick and clark could have been off.
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Well KEA has lost his place now so it's up to him now to win it back.
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For me it looks like KEA is looking for 'safe' option rather than forward pass due not being completely up to speed with premier league.
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To be ultra critical Clark was at fault for the first and third goals. He didn't react at at all to Hernandez going through and didn't put his leg out to block any attempted shot, he just ran with him. Lack of defending instinct maybe?But he should have done better.
I disagree. It was Stevens who lost Hernandez for the third. And it was Stevens who played him onside for the first although perhaps Clark should still have been tighter.
True enough about Stevens, especially on the first. A full back should not be goal side of centre backs in that situation.
However I felt Clark should have done more. With the first goal Hernandez was off balance and still managed to keep possession. An experienced defender would have been in his space bumping and boring him. Hernandez was allowed too much licence to pick his time for a shot.
stevens was ball watching and not up the pitch enough for the first and was totally inept for the third. clark cannot have any blame as he did all he could do to try to get back to help deal with hernandez, one false kick and clark could have been off.
Well, I thought it was Lowton who lost Hernandez for the third (as he did for the second).
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I thought Clark was at fault for goal 1 & 3 ? Goal 2 wasn't going in til it ricochet off Ron
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I thought Clark was at fault for goal 1 & 3 ? Goal 2 wasn't going in til it ricochet off Ron
Bannan miskicked on the edge of the area and gabby lost his man allowing the cross to come over for he 2nd, in fairness though you can't restrict them to no chances and the errors made were minor ,it's just that Hernandez is such a clinical finisher and punished us each time , as a team every villa player put in a shift and we did ourselves proud.
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The goals were all stoppable. The first especially. Clark was too far from Hernadez and should have blocked the shot.
It's a tough learning curve for the younger players, but there was so much to be pleased with yesterday.
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Stevens had a very good first half. But like Bennett they dont have much pace. Think we need a pacy LB who can get up to feed balls into Benteke/Bent/Gabby. Westwood will get better but i think KEA wins more balls and is a goal scoring threat. Would still like to see Baker in the middle with Vlaar. We are definitely starting to take shape as the games go by .......
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I think Westwood definitely deserves to start over KEA. He has been excellent and has allowed our side to become an attacking threat again. His calmness in possession is brilliant.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7XGc2aCUAEz6vl.jpg)
I recognize the egg head.
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That's Mr Fear unless I'm very much mistaken.
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No, it's Sir Alex Ferguson.
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Whats John Prescott doing?
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Stevens had a very good first half. But like Bennett they dont have much pace. Think we need a pacy LB who can get up to feed balls into Benteke/Bent/Gabby. Westwood will get better but i think KEA wins more balls and is a goal scoring threat. Would still like to see Baker in the middle with Vlaar. We are definitely starting to take shape as the games go by .......
I rate Baker too. I think he's probably a better center half than Clark.
I've mentioned before that Clark reminds me a bit of Gareth Barry.
Throwing this line up into the mix.
......................... Guzan
Lowton .......Vlaar.......Baker.........Stevens
.............Westwood........Clark
Gabby(Holman).....KEA(Ireland).....Bannan
.........................Benteke
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Stevens had a very good first half. But like Bennett they dont have much pace. Think we need a pacy LB who can get up to feed balls into Benteke/Bent/Gabby. Westwood will get better but i think KEA wins more balls and is a goal scoring threat. Would still like to see Baker in the middle with Vlaar. We are definitely starting to take shape as the games go by .......
I rate Baker too. I think he's probably a better center half than Clark.
I've mentioned before that Clark reminds me a bit of Gareth Barry.
Throwing this line up into the mix.
......................... Guzan
Lowton .......Vlaar.......Baker.........Stevens
.............Westwood........Clark
Gabby(Holman).....KEA(Ireland).....Bannan
.........................Benteke
I certainly wouldn't be dropping Weimann.
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Stevens had a very good first half. But like Bennett they dont have much pace. Think we need a pacy LB who can get up to feed balls into Benteke/Bent/Gabby. Westwood will get better but i think KEA wins more balls and is a goal scoring threat. Would still like to see Baker in the middle with Vlaar. We are definitely starting to take shape as the games go by .......
I rate Baker too. I think he's probably a better center half than Clark.
I've mentioned before that Clark reminds me a bit of Gareth Barry.
Throwing this line up into the mix.
......................... Guzan
Lowton .......Vlaar.......Baker.........Stevens
.............Westwood........Clark
Gabby(Holman).....KEA(Ireland).....Bannan
.........................Benteke
Not for me, I'm happy to go with midfield and forward line that played yesterday , baker may be of use at left back in Bennett is out a while, Stevens did ok yesterday but still not ready yet.
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Stevens had a very good first half. But like Bennett they dont have much pace. Think we need a pacy LB who can get up to feed balls into Benteke/Bent/Gabby. Westwood will get better but i think KEA wins more balls and is a goal scoring threat. Would still like to see Baker in the middle with Vlaar. We are definitely starting to take shape as the games go by .......
I rate Baker too. I think he's probably a better center half than Clark.
I've mentioned before that Clark reminds me a bit of Gareth Barry.
Throwing this line up into the mix.
......................... Guzan
Lowton .......Vlaar.......Baker.........Stevens
.............Westwood........Clark
Gabby(Holman).....KEA(Ireland).....Bannan
.........................Benteke
Not for me, I'm happy to go with midfield and forward line that played yesterday , baker may be of use at left back in Bennett is out a while, Stevens did ok yesterday but still not ready yet.
Agreed as much as possible I'd keep the same team, with Baker replacing Stevens I think if Bennett isn't fit.
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Maybe for the first time yesterday we can see where we may be going, not where we have been floundering for probably the last 3 years if not 4, players who with a bit more nous can close games out, a Manager who at times will close out rather than go for it, when he has confidence in the players out there, a chairman that may and I say cautiously invest in what he believes is a long term solution not a fast buck turn around, then when the so called big boys come to town we again expect to beat them and when the odd ocassion happens that we don't we then get pissed off and turn on each other, oh for the good old days of 81 WE HAVE BEEN THERE AND IN SOME FORM WE WILL BE BACK
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To be ultra critical Clark was at fault for the first and third goals. He didn't react at at all to Hernandez going through and didn't put his leg out to block any attempted shot, he just ran with him. Lack of defending instinct maybe?But he should have done better.
I disagree. It was Stevens who lost Hernandez for the third. And it was Stevens who played him onside for the first although perhaps Clark should still have been tighter.
True enough about Stevens, especially on the first. A full back should not be goal side of centre backs in that situation.
However I felt Clark should have done more. With the first goal Hernandez was off balance and still managed to keep possession. An experienced defender would have been in his space bumping and boring him. Hernandez was allowed too much licence to pick his time for a shot.
stevens was ball watching and not up the pitch enough for the first and was totally inept for the third. clark cannot have any blame as he did all he could do to try to get back to help deal with hernandez, one false kick and clark could have been off.
Well, I thought it was Lowton who lost Hernandez for the third (as he did for the second).
well you are wrong, it was stevens!
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To be ultra critical Clark was at fault for the first and third goals. He didn't react at at all to Hernandez going through and didn't put his leg out to block any attempted shot, he just ran with him. Lack of defending instinct maybe?But he should have done better.
I disagree. It was Stevens who lost Hernandez for the third. And it was Stevens who played him onside for the first although perhaps Clark should still have been tighter.
True enough about Stevens, especially on the first. A full back should not be goal side of centre backs in that situation.
However I felt Clark should have done more. With the first goal Hernandez was off balance and still managed to keep possession. An experienced defender would have been in his space bumping and boring him. Hernandez was allowed too much licence to pick his time for a shot.
stevens was ball watching and not up the pitch enough for the first and was totally inept for the third. clark cannot have any blame as he did all he could do to try to get back to help deal with hernandez, one false kick and clark could have been off.
Well, I thought it was Lowton who lost Hernandez for the third (as he did for the second).
well you are wrong, it was stevens!
I thought it was Stevens too. But how any of us can be so certain?
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To be ultra critical Clark was at fault for the first and third goals. He didn't react at at all to Hernandez going through and didn't put his leg out to block any attempted shot, he just ran with him. Lack of defending instinct maybe?But he should have done better.
I disagree. It was Stevens who lost Hernandez for the third. And it was Stevens who played him onside for the first although perhaps Clark should still have been tighter.
True enough about Stevens, especially on the first. A full back should not be goal side of centre backs in that situation.
However I felt Clark should have done more. With the first goal Hernandez was off balance and still managed to keep possession. An experienced defender would have been in his space bumping and boring him. Hernandez was allowed too much licence to pick his time for a shot.
stevens was ball watching and not up the pitch enough for the first and was totally inept for the third. clark cannot have any blame as he did all he could do to try to get back to help deal with hernandez, one false kick and clark could have been off.
Well, I thought it was Lowton who lost Hernandez for the third (as he did for the second).
well you are wrong, it was stevens!
I thought it was Stevens too. But how any of us can be so certain?
because he is the one floundering on the floor whilst little penis heads it in!
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To be ultra critical Clark was at fault for the first and third goals. He didn't react at at all to Hernandez going through and didn't put his leg out to block any attempted shot, he just ran with him. Lack of defending instinct maybe?But he should have done better.
I disagree. It was Stevens who lost Hernandez for the third. And it was Stevens who played him onside for the first although perhaps Clark should still have been tighter.
True enough about Stevens, especially on the first. A full back should not be goal side of centre backs in that situation.
However I felt Clark should have done more. With the first goal Hernandez was off balance and still managed to keep possession. An experienced defender would have been in his space bumping and boring him. Hernandez was allowed too much licence to pick his time for a shot.
stevens was ball watching and not up the pitch enough for the first and was totally inept for the third. clark cannot have any blame as he did all he could do to try to get back to help deal with hernandez, one false kick and clark could have been off.
Well, I thought it was Lowton who lost Hernandez for the third (as he did for the second).
well you are wrong, it was stevens!
I thought it was Stevens too. But how any of us can be so certain?
because he is the one floundering on the floor whilst little penis heads it in!
(http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q700/rutski73/stevens.jpg)
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Well will someone please serve me a large helping of humble pie. As I said I believed that they would come at us and with their speed of thought and action take us to the cleaners. How wrong I was.
The game started and I thought we looked nervous of them but as I was counting the minutes gone, 4; 6; 8 and we got to 10 I could see that belief was starting to grow within the players. We were closing them down, forcing the odd error and when in possession were making inroads into their defence. The crowd also appeared to sense this belief and got behind them, no more so than when Stevens shepherded Valencia back from the edge of our penalty area up to the half way line and caused him to pass it back into their half of the field. The applause that greeted that , in effect a minor achievement, was loud and seemed to galvanise both the team and the crowd. I believe we grew in stature as the half progressed and it was not an unfair scoreline at half time.
You just knew that SAF, who again picked his strongest possible side to face us - none of this resting players against the Villa - would make changes and with the aces that he had on the bench it would be definite that we would be under more pressure in the second half. Again it would appear that luck went their way, but don't you make your own luck to a degree? Putting an out and out strike on instead of a wide player meant that they would have more bodies in our box. Unfortunately as our legs and presumably minds tired so they got the better of us. However, PL got his tactics spot on and the players all played their part in executing them. If I have a couple of small criticisms it is with the substitution when the free kick was to be taken - were we completely settled and knew our roles with the change of personnel? and in the added time we didn't get the ball into their penalty area often enough. They had shown how dodgy they were all afternoon and maybe, just maybe, we might have got a bit of luck if we had gung-ho'd them a bit more.
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Ever since we beat the old Scrote at home (you can't win anything with kids). It would seem that he took it personally. Many a fixture in years gone by they would travel down the M6 with half the team injured only to see them trot out the full monty.
The only thing is Sir Scrote is getting on, I reckon they will go for Mourinio - I can only hope Man City get wind of it and he signs for them. Let them suffer with TSM.
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I really don't get all this Bent bashing. What we need is a strong squad with competition for places, not writing off players because other give encouraging performances. If Lambert needs to sell him to raise funds to strengthen in other areas, then so be it. But, if he gets the funds anyway, I wouldn't let a proven goalscorer leave the club unless a more than adequate replacement is brought in.
Agree Pete and If he is going to go , I would prefer more money for him for scoring goals for us.
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KEA will be better as we get more movement off the ball. At the moment most players are still only making single runs instead of making another if their first isn't used. In Holland with the slower pace, most players are constantly making 2-3 runs for each possession and it opens up more space. He isn't used to the tempo enough to pass on a first run, and he isn't being given something to pass to with extra movement after he holds for another option. Westwood is passing first time to the runs he is given which was working a lot better. I think there will be a place for both in the side, KEA's technical quality is evident and I am still confident he has a lot of improvement in him once he settles.
I think Man City and Arsenal's defences are well exposed at the moment and I look forward to a couple of shootouts in the next couple of weeks. Arsenal don't have enough of a scoring threat at the moment to peg us back if we play like that again. I'm not confident of points, but I'm confident we can get our scoring rythm going over the next two weeks to have a pleasant Christmas period.
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Stevens had a very good first half. But like Bennett they dont have much pace. Think we need a pacy LB who can get up to feed balls into Benteke/Bent/Gabby. Westwood will get better but i think KEA wins more balls and is a goal scoring threat. Would still like to see Baker in the middle with Vlaar. We are definitely starting to take shape as the games go by .......
I rate Baker too. I think he's probably a better center half than Clark.
I've mentioned before that Clark reminds me a bit of Gareth Barry.
Throwing this line up into the mix.
......................... Guzan
Lowton .......Vlaar.......Baker.........Stevens
.............Westwood........Clark
Gabby(Holman).....KEA(Ireland).....Bannan
.........................Benteke
I certainly wouldn't be dropping Weimann.
Flippin heck, just realised that.
Feel free to throw abuse at me ;D