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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on December 30, 2023, 05:04:35 PM
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Never in doubt.
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Thank Fuck
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Fuck me. That was close to being a complete disaster. 2 points from Sheff Utd and Burnley at home and a loss to Man U on the back of those great wins vs Man City and Arsenal could have seen us lose all momentum. As it is we got over the line thankfully. Nobody really stood out for individual praise. How the fuck we missed all those chances though. Creating them is a positive. We go again. Happy New Year everyone!
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20 minutes added time in total. What a joke.
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Huge win. Desperately need to get some players back soon and also stop the flurry of bookings we seem to be getting every week.
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3 points ground out while being shite. I'll have that.
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Kamara being back will be massive for us. Honestly think we get 6-7 points from those three fixtures if he had played.
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We've had worse years on the pitch than 2023.
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Got to say I was impressed with Duran .Got us the pen,harried mercilessly,and won important headers.
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Stopped the rot and ended the year with a win. Happy new year!
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Huge win. Desperately need to get some players back soon and also stop the flurry of bookings we seem to be getting every week.
Agreed. Enjoy your breakfast!
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Joint top, for now. I think we'll stay top 3 for the end of the year, regardless of other results.
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A suspension and injuries to players in critical positions coupled with some really shitty VAR calls and we’ve come away with 4 points. Maybe slightly disappointing but the team has grit, hopefully we can push on because Everton is going to be another tough one I think. Would also like to get into the 4th round of the cup for a change.
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Thank fuck for that, Christmas just about salvaged.
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Well we won but talk about making hard work of it. We need freshening up somehow.
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Last 3 games have been somewhat of a reality check. Good to get over the line today, but key players needed back and we should be looking to strengthen in January
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That was much harder than it should have been.
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A Ramsey did something useful for us. Hopefully our one gets up to speed soon.
Feels like we've played 18 games in a month. A good (albeit a bit jammy) way to finish that run.
Time to rest and regroup for the new year.
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Good result, mostly decent performance but some poor finishing, a poor spell in the first half and 1 really bad bit of defending made it look a lot closer than it should've been. If we'd scored 5-6 it wouldn't have flattered us massively.
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Need to get Konsa back in at CB quickly.
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Fucking hell that was hard work. Not just us and not taking our chances but my stream was jumping forwards and backwards through time. I felt like I was in an episode of Lost and Desmond was about to turn up for tea.
UTV and Happy New Year!
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It's tough at the top, feels no different to being desperate for points at the other end of the league. Relieved with the win in the end, when we should have been out of site. But, a win is a win, back to joint top. What a fabulous year Villa, absolutely outstanding 👏
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Stopped the rot and ended the year with a win. Happy new year!
In past years 'the rot' would be 5 or 6 games with no points and in one Lambert year no goals! But I do agree, that was an important win to put two disappointing results behind us.
What a calendar year 2023 was
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That was fucking ‘orrible.
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We've got through a ropey spell defensively with a players missing. Fixture list calms down now, plus the break, so all is looking good.
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Surprised with how uncomposed we looked, but so grateful to have won. We created the chances but lacked control throughout. Was that really all down to Kamara's absence? Incredible for one player to have such an impact on our game. 10 men are tough to play against, as we have shown repeatedly through the years, so, glad we came through.
I expect some of ours will be doing extra finishing training all week.
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@AVFCOfficial have won more home games (17) and earned more home points (53) in the Premier League in 2023 than any other side.
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I didn't enjoy it.
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And a big positive is that our ability to not go on long winless runs continues.
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Ultimately a successful December, but there are a few red flags concerning squad depth, discipline and tactics.
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We cant really defend as we used to. We used to control games after having a lead, now we where pushed all the way by a 10 men Burnley at home. The high line isnt working good enough an also we looked all over the place in the closing minutes as we did all second half at OT. Three point all that matter so pleased of course but if we dont shapen up it dosent look good for the new year.
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Very unenjoyable at times.
But three points.
Carlos and Lenglet don't fill me with much confidence, and Diaby needs finishing practice.
Up the fucking Villa
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Be interesting to see who we send out against Middlesbrough next week. Between injuries, the busy schedule, and players just not being in form, it's difficult to know what to be doing.
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We cant really defend as we used to. We used to control games after having a lead, now we where pushed all the way by a 10 men Burnley at home. The high line isnt working good enough an also we looked all over the place in the closing minutes as we did all second half at OT. Three point all that matert so pleased of course but if we dont shapen up it dosent look good for the new year.
A breather and time with the coaches on the training ground will iron that out.
In two weeks we just played the two strongest teams, two sides scraping for every point and Man U away on Boxing Day.
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Created more chances, but again the high line is getting found out. Need RB desperately so Konsa can get back on the middle with Pau.
Diaby back to something resembling his early season form. Onwards & upwards.
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Watkins should have had two, both straight at the keeper, at least he provided two great assists. Diaby should have scored 3 or 4. Poor in attack and wobbly in defence with a midfield that never looked fully in control. Right now I'm just delighted with a win and three points.
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A win is a win and after the last two games that's what we needed. Hopefully we can now beat Boro in the Cup and be rested up for the Everton and Newcastle games.
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One thing that does stand out for me is that Emery is massively overachieving with essentially someone else's squad.
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Any decent result for Fulham tomorrow sees us 2nd on New Year’s Day. That would be beyond remarkable when we take a breath and just realize how far we’ve come.
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I thought going forward we were fine, but Carlos and Lenglet were absolutely dreadful. Need Pau and Ezri back in there asap.
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*Looks around match thread. Looks around post-match thread. Surveys the wreckage*
Erm...lads, we're joint top.
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We've now scored 10 league goals this season from 85+ mins, winning us 10 points. Plus a number of others from 70-85 mins. Hell of a lot of character and good attitude in this squad.
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Played 8 games in December.
Have only 3 or 4 in January.
We will be flying again.
Looking forward to a new RB in 31 hours time.
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We've had worse years on the pitch than 2023.
As many wins in 2023 as in 2021 and 2022 combined.
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42 points by NY is phenomenal
Feels like we have asked some of the same players go to the well so many times, need to be cute over next fortnight and get some of them a proper break either side of cup game. Also by the Everton game sincerely hope we have Konsa and Torres back as centre backs.
Might have been hard word but getting the points was paramount…well done boys
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Loved that personally, should have won more comfortably.
Bailey and Watkins were superb.
Thanks for the last year boys!! VTID
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Will take the three points and run. I reckon we should have four genuine first teamers back for Everton, with Konsa going back into Centre Back and maybe SJM maybe back on the left to give JJ a break, he can't be expected to hit the ground running as he has been the last few games. We've been through the ringer in the last eight days but Uni knows one thing for sure after this Xmas, we don't have the squad to fully compete with the big boys yet and could do with one or two new faces to compliment what's coming back into the squad. Time for a few relief pints, happy new year all!
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Great year 2023 but tonight I am just relieved. Why can' t we win the easy way? Anyway happy new year to all.
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Agent Aaron.
Still a Villan at heart.
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13 points from 18 in December. That included Citeh, Arse and Brentford away. If someone had given us that at the start we would’ve taken it. Especially with the injuries and suspensions.
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Happy New Year to all. I'm sat at home with Covid, celebrating my 45th Wedding Anniversary!
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Laboured and we look tired, but incredibly important we got over the line. Hopefully that gets it out of our system. JJ had a horror show again, hopefully that’s the last.
Diaby, Bailey, and Ollie were really good.
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*Looks around match thread. Looks around post-match thread. Surveys the wreckage*
Erm...lads, we're joint top.
😂
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We made it tougher than we needed with the sloppy finishing but overall very decent with a sprinkle of owed fortune dished out.
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Hanging on at home against 10 men, not great but we’ll take it and move on.
On the plus side, Diaby and Watkins looked better, Moreno looked bright and Bailey was excellent. On the negative, Carlos is really poor and Lenglet no better. The “best keeper in the world” shouldn’t be letting that second goal in.
Kamara back next game though, which should give us a big lift.
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I thought going forward we were fine, but Carlos and Lenglet were absolutely dreadful. Need Pau and Ezri back in there asap.
When all fit it is about our 8th best partnership.
We need a RB defo in window
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We've now scored 10 league goals this season from 85+ mins, winning us 10 points. Plus a number of others from 70-85 mins. Hell of a lot of character and good attitude in this squad.
That’s pretty impressive and shows how much we can grind out a result when we need too. Like it
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Up the Villa!
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The 3 points was the most important thing today and boy did we make hard work of it. Diaby could have had a hattrick and Ramsey was wasteful. Luiz's penalty was funny, the length of time he took staring down Trafford before his run-up was brilliant :)
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Need to get Konsa back in at CB quickly.
100%!
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That penalty has aged me ten years.
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Think Moreno and JJ need a bit more time to get up to speed. Both have been out for a while
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Its great to get the points when not particularly playing great, but there are reasons for why we have struggled in the past three games & those reasons are the defence hardly playing next to their partner in Emerys system.
We had the same thing at the beginning of the year, only this time, we have played three games & got four points. I think we have scored 6 goals in those three games too. Conceded six though, & therein lies the problem.
Once the regulars are back fit, we should be stronger again & not look like the Keystone Cops at the back.
One thing it highlights is that players like Lenglet, Dendoncker, etc, are not good enough to replace Torres & Kamara at this level.
Sadly, I think it shows that Diego Carlos is a busted flush after his injury too.
And if we want to stay at this level, they all need to be replaced with better quality, along with a couple of others.
However...
If anybody had said to me that we would be in second spot, with great form over the course of the season & beyond, winning more than any team in the Prem so far this season, scoring more than everybody bar ManC, etc, etc, I would have laughed in their faces & asked for some of what they were snorting.
This year has been incredible as a Villa fan.
Long may it continue...
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Hanging on at home against 10 men, not great but we’ll take it and move on.
On the plus side, Diaby and Watkins looked better, Moreno looked bright and Bailey was excellent. On the negative, Carlos is really poor and Lenglet no better. The “best keeper in the world” shouldn’t be letting that second goal in.
Kamara back next game though, which should give us a big lift.
This game also brought to an end a mad month of 8 games, injuries and suspensions. We came out of it joint top of the league and in the knockouts for the Conference League. The how we got there took years off our lives at times, but we got through it. January has three games currently scheduled so looking forward to us getting a bit healthier and maybe adding a player or two.
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Some real bottle shown by us the last 2 home games. Could have been 1 point, instead we walk away with 4. Getting results even when we're below par and under strength. Happy new year every one, it's been a fantastic 2023 football wise.
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It wasn't pretty but we got the job done. Onwards and upwards.
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Plus it was both your birthdays in December, time takes its toll.
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However...
If anybody had said to me that we would be in second spot,
HOUSE!
:-)
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Plus it was both your birthdays in December, time takes its toll.
No kidding
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Funny to think Sheffield Utd are the only side to take points away from Villa Park this season, and Burnley came closest to doing the same.
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Were there any injuries?
Why was their 9 minutes added first half and 9 (11 played) second half?
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Hanging on at home against 10 men, not great but we’ll take it and move on.
On the plus side, Diaby and Watkins looked better, Moreno looked bright and Bailey was excellent. On the negative, Carlos is really poor and Lenglet no better. The “best keeper in the world” shouldn’t be letting that second goal in.
Kamara back next game though, which should give us a big lift.
This game also brought to an end a mad month of 8 games, injuries and suspensions. We came out of it joint top of the league and in the knockouts for the Conference League. The how we got there took years off our lives at times, but we got through it. January has three games currently scheduled so looking forward to us getting a bit healthier and maybe adding a player or two.
Solid points... 👍
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Were there any injuries?
Why was their 9 minutes added first half and 9 (11 played) second half?
VAR
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Were there any injuries?
Why was their 9 minutes added first half and 9 (11 played) second half?
They had an injury first half with a player going off. A fair few VAR checks as well.
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42 points.
Well, it looks like we'll be staying up this season...
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Hanging on at home against 10 men, not great but we’ll take it and move on.
On the plus side, Diaby and Watkins looked better, Moreno looked bright and Bailey was excellent. On the negative, Carlos is really poor and Lenglet no better. The “best keeper in the world” shouldn’t be letting that second goal in.
Kamara back next game though, which should give us a big lift.
After their 2nd they never had another shot and were barely in our half, I'm not sure you can call it hanging on.
I agree Martinez will be disappointed with the 2nd but all keepers will let one in that they could do better with sometimes, Martinez does it so rarely, and keeps us in games so often, that he's massively in credit.
Carlos I can't decide, he's a bit like Mings from a couple of years back where he looks top quality for 89minutes but the other minute is terrifying. Lenglet just can't handle strikers with real pace and there are too many of them in this league for that to be a weakness we can cover for. The biggest problem with the defence though is that it works because it's so well drilled but all the changes in the last month or 2 have left it a little bit ragged, and the result is that 2nd goal where torres stepped and neither Carlos or Moreno went with him which created the gap.
We were very good going forward though today and should've scored more than 3.
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Looking forward to 11th Feb.
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Against Sheff United VAR gave us nothing.
The balance was redressed today , we got every decision apart from their 2-2 goal.
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Against Sheff United VAR gave us nothing.
The balance was redressed today , we got every decision apart from their 2-2 goal.
Every VAR call today was objective except for the penalty but that had been given on the pitch so the bar to change the decision was too high when he clearly kicked his foot. Aside from it taking far too long I've no great issue with what happened today and I don't think there was any balancing out involved really.
The ones that bother me and things like the disallowed goal against Sheff Utd which was 3 subjective decisions (was it a foul by Ramsey, was Ramsey being fouled first and was it a new phase of play) and only if the VAR overruled the ref on all 3 could it be disallowed, that feels like re-reffing the game which they've repeatedly said isn't what it is for.
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Can't say I enjoyed that , but it's a win. And what I will enjoy is my Chinese takeaway tonight and watching MOTD with whatever expert pundits they have on tonight.
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Got lucky with the penalty. Even if there was minimal contact, its at the edge of the box and I don't think we win that without the gimme of a pen.
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Carlos isn't as good as Konsa but he's still a decent player. The defence has been pretty makeshift this month and we've generally come away ok.
December in the league is:
W 4
D 2
L 1
That includes games against 3 of last season's top 4, a team that challenged us for the Europa Conference place, as well as 2 of the promoted teams.
The best teams grind out results and we've done that (as well as losing one where we should have won, and had a better xG than the team that beat us).
Today we did what we needed to do.
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Got lucky with the penalty. Even if there was minimal contact, its at the edge of the box and I don't think we win that without the gimme of a pen.
Luiz did his best to miss it too.
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Got lucky with the penalty. Even if there was minimal contact, its at the edge of the box and I don't think we win that without the gimme of a pen.
Not at all, Duran got in ahead of him and got kicked in the foot. He exaggerated going down but refs have made that a requirement by not giving penalties if players try to stay up.
I'm not sure where in the box it happened matters much but it wasn't at the edge, it was about in line with the penalty spot and just outside the width of the posts.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/a-villa-vs-burnley/report/482781
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Carlos and Lenglet are a nightmare pairing and Moreno I thought had a dreadful game
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A shit win in many ways, but equally a fucking win, very needed, and that's yet another late goal too, just to prove they've got real balls
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Some real bottle shown by us the last 2 home games. Could have been 1 point, instead we walk away with 4. Getting results even when we're below par and under strength. Happy new year every one, it's been a fantastic 2023 football wise.
Yes, well said. What a year it’s been.
I’m carrying my Villa fandom with pride rather than a huge burden for the first time in years.
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That was far too nervy, so I was relieved to win.
I sensed we were going to rue all the bad misses from Diaby and Ramsey at 2 1, and we nearly did.
Going forward we were good enough and I thought Bailey was very good and caused them a lot of problems.
The issues were clearly at the other end.
Lenglet was so poor that Emery had to bring on Torres when he didn't want to.
Carlos was iffy as well and Martínez seemed at fault for the equaliser.
At least we can reset hopefully and get some players back as well as strengthen in January.
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No luck involved. We were the better side, and we won.
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In amongst Man U’s numerous title wins under Alex Ferguson, and some of the excellent football they played, often at our expense, it’s forgotten just how many games they needed to fight through to the bitter end. The whole “Fergie time” didn’t come about because they were winning 4-0 heading into the 90th minute. It’s because they went to the very end. You can always argue they got a little help from refs but it’s a mentality that in the point we earned vs Sheff Utd or today vs Burnley, even a few games ago vs Palace, that we need to have to be successful. Not every game is going to be Brighton at home. The last three games have tested us in very different ways. It’s good to end the year with a win.
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Really impressed by Foster for Burnley - thought he led the line brilliantly and took his goal well. I think he’s the guy who’s struggled with mental health issues, so good to see him enjoying playing.
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Thought that if I'd been a Burnley fan I'd have come away livid from that.
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No luck involved. We were the better side, and we won.
This all day long.
Oh and Bailey is the dogs bollocks. I could watch him all day long.
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Got lucky with the penalty. Even if there was minimal contact, its at the edge of the box and I don't think we win that without the gimme of a pen.
Not at all, Duran got in ahead of him and got kicked in the foot. He exaggerated going down but refs have made that a requirement by not giving penalties if players try to stay up.
I'm not sure where in the box it happened matters much but it wasn't at the edge, it was about in line with the penalty spot and just outside the width of the posts.
I just know if we'd have been on the receiving end I'd be spitting feathers at the softness of the type of penalties awarded. I still think Cascarino is onto something with his idea of there being different types of pen - ie where they're soft/harsh, they should be taken from 18 yards out or with a goalie and a defender on the line.
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Got lucky with the penalty. Even if there was minimal contact, its at the edge of the box and I don't think we win that without the gimme of a pen.
Not at all, Duran got in ahead of him and got kicked in the foot. He exaggerated going down but refs have made that a requirement by not giving penalties if players try to stay up.
I'm not sure where in the box it happened matters much but it wasn't at the edge, it was about in line with the penalty spot and just outside the width of the posts.
I just know if we'd have been on the receiving end I'd be spitting feathers at the softness of the type of penalties awarded. I still think Cascarino is onto something with his idea of there being different types of pen - ie where they're soft/harsh, they should be taken from 18 yards out or with a goalie and a defender on the line.
Fuck me. Can hear the cries of THAT SHOULD BE A PROPER PEN and THAT'S ONLY A FUCKING 18 YARD PEN REF YOU TWAT from here.
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It's a bit of a soft pen but it's a pen and credit Duran for going down like he'd broken something in his foot, it swayed the refs mind I feel.
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I think Duran could be a quality player. he is very raw - and needs to grow up mentally - but I think there is some serious talent there
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Amazing - on Radio 5 they just did "and now to Villa Park and we can hear from Burnley manager Sean Dyche" and it was (obviously) a whole interview about Everton
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We dug in, worked hard and won and that’s all that matters. This squad don’t stop working and they stick to Emerys plan.
What is frustrating are the ironic cheers aimed at Diego when he passed it wide and getting on the players back lad when they won’t hoof it long or player the pass that they want. Very poor from a few today.
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Well we made hard work of it but were much the better team. Scores on the doors
Martinez - 6 could have done better with the 2nd.
Konsa - 6 nothing too shoddy
Carlos - 5 still a bit slow in thought I think
Lenglet - 5 got done several times for pace/strength
Moreno - 6 not the flowing man of last year but you can tell it’s starting to come back
Luiz - 7 extra point for the penalty but not as influential as he has been
McGinn - 6 no major issues but a bit heavy with his passing/crossing at times
Bailey - 8 lovely play today and constant thorn in their side
Diaby - 8 much much better creative, got a goal and looked dangerous. Bit wasteful with his chances.
Ramsey - 6 better today and starting to get some match sharpness.
Watkins - 8 absolutely worked his nads off and 2 assists which is the most in the PL.
Dhuran -7 nice cameo for once
Torres- 6 settled things a bit and really good distribution
Donk - not on long enough
Happy New Year all and UTV!
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Fucking hell that was hard work. Not just us and not taking our chances but my stream was jumping forwards and backwards through time. I felt like I was in an episode of Lost and Desmond was about to turn up for tea.
UTV and Happy New Year!
So, you weren't at VP?
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Got lucky with the penalty. Even if there was minimal contact, its at the edge of the box and I don't think we win that without the gimme of a pen.
Not at all, Duran got in ahead of him and got kicked in the foot. He exaggerated going down but refs have made that a requirement by not giving penalties if players try to stay up.
I'm not sure where in the box it happened matters much but it wasn't at the edge, it was about in line with the penalty spot and just outside the width of the posts.
I just know if we'd have been on the receiving end I'd be spitting feathers at the softness of the type of penalties awarded. I still think Cascarino is onto something with his idea of there being different types of pen - ie where they're soft/harsh, they should be taken from 18 yards out or with a goalie and a defender on the line.
Its soft but its a pen Eamon. Football fabs aren’t subjective so Im sure if I could be arsed looking at the Burnley forum they would be spitting feathers, it is what it is. The penalty we got against Palace a few months ago was more debatable and the Sheffield United player did an excellent volleyball move a week ago. Swings and roundabouts.
We’re not as fluid or good without Kamara, Tielemans or Torres, everything is a little predictable. But and these are huge buts, more than any Villa side I’ve seen we never ever let it lie, there is always hope with this lot.
The reality is, it should of been 5-1 by the time they equalised with Diaby (2) and Ramsey missing relative sitters.
Carlos struggled today and looked a bit short of confidence. Although he had a couple of passes out of play, you can see how Torres changes the whole shape of our team, he’s essentially the creative fulcrum.
Anyway, we’re flying.
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Well we made hard work of it but were much the better team. Scores on the doors
Martinez - 6 could have done better with the 2nd.
Konsa - 6 nothing too shoddy
Carlos - 5 still a bit slow in thought I think
Lenglet - 5 got done several times for pace/strength
Moreno - 6 not the flowing man of last year but you can tell it’s starting to come back
Luiz - 7 extra point for the penalty but not as influential as he has been
McGinn - 6 no major issues but a bit heavy with his passing/crossing at times
Bailey - 8 lovely play today and constant thorn in their side
Diaby - 8 much much better creative, got a goal and looked dangerous. Bit wasteful with his chances.
Ramsey - 6 better today and starting to get some match sharpness.
Watkins - 8 absolutely worked his nads off and 2 assists which is the most in the PL.
Dhuran -7 nice cameo for once
Torres- 6 settled things a bit and really good distribution
Donk - not on long enough
Happy New Year all and UTV!
He was.
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Really impressed by Foster for Burnley - thought he led the line brilliantly and took his goal well. I think he’s the guy who’s struggled with mental health issues, so good to see him enjoying playing.
Yeah, he had some kind of reoccurrence or whatever you call it quite recently. He's been left out of the South Africa squad for AFCON because of it, or so I was reading earlier. Although I assume that's in a "look after yourself" kind of way rather than a being ostracised kind of way.
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I think Duran could be a quality player. he is very raw - and needs to grow up mentally - but I think there is some serious talent there
He’s very young still too…remember when O’Reiily came on the other week it was the day before his 20th birthday…it was also the day after Duran’s 20th also.
He’s one of those players who can have impact because if his team mates don’t know what he is gonna do the opponent doesn’t either
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No luck involved. We were the better side, and we won.
This all day long.
Oh and Bailey is the dogs bollocks. I could watch him all day long.
I was in fits of laughter with my dad at some of his tricks today. Absolutely love the guy, brilliant player
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Thought that if I'd been a Burnley fan I'd have come away livid from that.
Defo. But fcuk 'em.
Red wall tossers.
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We're not going to win every single game. We're second FFS.
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Really impressed by Foster for Burnley - thought he led the line brilliantly and took his goal well. I think he’s the guy who’s struggled with mental health issues, so good to see him enjoying playing.
Amen to that, sounds like he’s been through hell. Very good player, a real nuisance. However, Lenglet and Carlos made him look like the original Ronaldo today.
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We're not going to win every single game. We're second FFS.
Joint top.
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Thought that if I'd been a Burnley fan I'd have come away livid from that.
Defo. But fcuk 'em.
Red wall tossers.
Ha ha, yes. Thank you for reminding me, I've shed my guilt.
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We're not going to win every single game. We're second FFS.
Joint top.
I stand corrected 🙌
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Second. If the season ended today we'd be runners up, not joint winners.
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The only reason we’ve looked suspect at the back recently imo is the absence of Kamara. He’s our insurance policy. On the plus side, we’re second and he’s nicely rested for the second half of the season.
Today was all about winning, and we managed it. Enjoyed the Bailey and Moussa show…. Thought they were both excellent today.
Happy New Year all, here’s to a 2024 full of celebration and trophies!
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Was at the game earlier. Thought we struggled first half, byt were better second half and should have been out of sight after the number of chances we created when we went 2-1 up. Got sucker punched to make it 2-2, but kept going and got the penalty at the end and the 3 points.
Conceded 2 poor goals today and really need to get a RB in and move Konsa back to CB. Although we conceded the 2nd when he was on, we just looked more assured when Torres came on.
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Well we made hard work of it but were much the better team. Scores on the doors
Martinez - 6 could have done better with the 2nd.
Konsa - 6 nothing too shoddy
Carlos - 5 still a bit slow in thought I think
Lenglet - 5 got done several times for pace/strength
Moreno - 6 not the flowing man of last year but you can tell it’s starting to come back
Luiz - 7 extra point for the penalty but not as influential as he has been
McGinn - 6 no major issues but a bit heavy with his passing/crossing at times
Bailey - 8 lovely play today and constant thorn in their side
Diaby - 8 much much better creative, got a goal and looked dangerous. Bit wasteful with his chances.
Ramsey - 6 better today and starting to get some match sharpness.
Watkins - 8 absolutely worked his nads off and 2 assists which is the most in the PL.
Dhuran -7 nice cameo for once
Torres- 6 settled things a bit and really good distribution
Donk - not on long enough
Happy New Year all and UTV!
Cheers mate 👍 didn't see game today but seems like the longer Carlos stays in the team the worse he (and us) have got. Very good against City and Arsenal. That second goal we conceded against 10 man Burnley was a farce, awful defending from multiple players including Martinez. Great to get three points in the end and we badly need a breather from the PL to reorganise ourselves.
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Why is Stuart Attwell allowed to ref Villa matches? He’s a Coventry supporter!
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Blimey Eamonn, if we think penalty decisions are subjective now, imagine if they had to decide on the level of seriousness too. It would be carnage.
I try to look at it from both points of view and my first reaction was that it was soft. But we will take it. You knew what would happen as we squandered all those second half chances and it did. But the team doesn't give up.
Torres was wincing a bit, presume it was a pre planned change for Lenglet on the hour. You can see why we signed the latter as cover, he has a similar skillset but he ain't as good.
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Blimey.
18 games to go and Villa right in amongst it after an amazing 2023.
Just want to wish a Happy New Year to all btw.
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Thought Diaby had his best game in a while - could have had a hatrick - still has a lot more he can offer - but the quality is clearly there.
Ramsay and Mareno slightly better than last week - but a lot more to come
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After the sending off we could and possibly should have scored another couple of goals but for for poor finishing.
3 points and another home win, chuffed.
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Felt we didn’t exploit the left hand side as much as could have today , Moreno seemed to be in a lot of space and we didn’t look for him
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No luck involved. We were the better side, and we won.
This all day long.
Oh and Bailey is the dogs bollocks. I could watch him all day long.
Agreed. Love watching a tricky winger. His confidence must be sky high
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Bailey was superb a player totally transformed
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In amongst Man U’s numerous title wins under Alex Ferguson, and some of the excellent football they played, often at our expense, it’s forgotten just how many games they needed to fight through to the bitter end. The whole “Fergie time” didn’t come about because they were winning 4-0 heading into the 90th minute. It’s because they went to the very end. You can always argue they got a little help from refs but it’s a mentality that in the point we earned vs Sheff Utd or today vs Burnley, even a few games ago vs Palace, that we need to have to be successful. Not every game is going to be Brighton at home. The last three games have tested us in very different ways. It’s good to end the year with a win.
Fergie time was because they used to get an extra five mins when they were on top at the end of a match in which the opposition had prevented them from winning or were winning in usual time.
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In amongst Man U’s numerous title wins under Alex Ferguson, and some of the excellent football they played, often at our expense, it’s forgotten just how many games they needed to fight through to the bitter end. The whole “Fergie time” didn’t come about because they were winning 4-0 heading into the 90th minute. It’s because they went to the very end. You can always argue they got a little help from refs but it’s a mentality that in the point we earned vs Sheff Utd or today vs Burnley, even a few games ago vs Palace, that we need to have to be successful. Not every game is going to be Brighton at home. The last three games have tested us in very different ways. It’s good to end the year with a win.
Fergie time was because they used to get an extra five mins when they were on top at the end of a match in which the opposition had prevented them from winning or were winning in usual time.
My point was whatever it was it only applied because they weren’t winning games at that point. Much of it was the psychology of never giving up. Something we are learning to do.
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This all day long.
Oh and Bailey is the dogs bollocks. I could watch him all day long.
Agreed. Love watching a tricky winger. His confidence must be sky high
Same here, love watching a tricky right winger.
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Whose Emma Smith?
There is now a 2nd article on BBC website about our win today and it's similar to what we have been saying on here.
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Think Moreno and JJ need a bit more time to get up to speed. Both have been out for a while
It didn't help that they were pretty much playing the same position much like Bailey and Diaby against Sheff Utd.
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We needed to bounce back and we did. Should have finished the game off with the chances we had in that second half spell. Harder work that it should have been but fair play to them., they didn't it back, even with 10 men.
Joint top, delighted.
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Kamara and Luiz are probably the best midfield pairing in the league. Lose one of them and the other is less effective.
We have done well in Kamara absence. Now he is back I expect our performance levels to increase again.
Three points is all that mattered today and we go onwards and upwards.
Happy New Year
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We’ve had an incredibly difficult schedule since Fulham at home, which I’d say was our last comfortable game. Every one of about ten games (?) since that has been a war, probably excepting the one in Bosnia, and we’ve had casualties throughout. It’s no wonder we’ve had the odd blip. Great fighting spirit today and throughout that run.
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I never really understand “joint top” - we’re second, goal difference is a factor. It’s brilliant obviously, but if the league finished now the title wouldn’t be shared.
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I never really understand “joint top” - we’re second, goal difference is a factor. It’s brilliant obviously, but if the league finished now the title wouldn’t be shared.
When there's a mismatch in games played I don't mind it so much, it's highly unlikely but we could be top in a couple of days without doing anything more ourselves.
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I never really understand “joint top” - we’re second, goal difference is a factor. It’s brilliant obviously, but if the league finished now the title wouldn’t be shared.
When there's a mismatch in games played I don't mind it so much, it's highly unlikely but we could be top in a couple of days without doing anything more ourselves.
Which reminds me, we're now cheering for the Jaudis in a game, right?
Hoping for Fulham and Bournemouth wins tomorrow is a no-brainer.
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We're still 2nd, not joint top. If Liverpool lose by 8 we'll be top, not joint top.
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Not relevant to this game, but I just realised that Dendoncker scoring against Man U makes it 16 different players that have scored for us across all competitions. (17 if we count Martinez's own goal, but that wasn't for us)
I think Lenglet is the only player that gets any real game time that hasn't scored yet. And he did actually get it in the net once.
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Anybody else on the same points as the leaders but with an inferior goal difference - second. Aston Villa on the same points as the leaders but with an inferior goal difference. Joint top. It's just basic maths. ;)
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Not relevant to this game, but I just realised that Dendoncker scoring against Man U makes it 16 different players that have scored for us across all competitions. (17 if we count Martinez's own goal, but that wasn't for us)
I think Lenglet is the only player that gets any real game time that hasn't scored yet. And he did actually get it in the net once.
Yep. All comps:
Watkins 14
Bailey 9
Luiz 7
McGinn 7
Diaby 5
Duran 4
Cash 3
Torres 2
Moreno 2
Zaniolo 2
Carlos
Kamara
Tielemans
Digne
Ramsey
Dendonker
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McGinn, Luiz and Bailey could/should be finishing in double figures this season. Which is amazing because last season I think the next best to Ollie was 5.
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Not relevant to this game, but I just realised that Dendoncker scoring against Man U makes it 16 different players that have scored for us across all competitions. (17 if we count Martinez's own goal, but that wasn't for us)
I think Lenglet is the only player that gets any real game time that hasn't scored yet. And he did actually get it in the net once.
Yep. All comps:
Watkins 14
Bailey 9
Luiz 7
McGinn 7
Diaby 5
Duran 4
Cash 3
Torres 2
Moreno 2
Zaniolo 2
Carlos
Kamara
Tielemans
Digne
Ramsey
Dendonker
For years I've been arguing that our problems have been a lack of goals from the whole team not that we need a 20+ striker. A list like that makes me both happy and vindicated, this year we're doing exactly what I've wanted from us and it's got us in the title race.
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Luiz 7
McGinn 7
Diaby 5
Duran 4
Cash 3
Torres 2
Moreno 2
Zaniolo 2
Carlos
Kamara
Tielemans
Digne
Ramsey
Dendonker
For a moment, I thought that was brontebilly's player ratings for today's hard fought win.
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Not relevant to this game, but I just realised that Dendoncker scoring against Man U makes it 16 different players that have scored for us across all competitions. (17 if we count Martinez's own goal, but that wasn't for us)
I think Lenglet is the only player that gets any real game time that hasn't scored yet. And he did actually get it in the net once.
Yep. All comps:
Watkins 14
Bailey 9
Luiz 7
McGinn 7
Diaby 5
Duran 4
Cash 3
Torres 2
Moreno 2
Zaniolo 2
Carlos
Kamara
Tielemans
Digne
Ramsey
Dendonker
For years I've been arguing that our problems have been a lack of goals from the whole team not that we need a 20+ striker. A list like that makes me both happy and vindicated, this year we're doing exactly what I've wanted from us and it's got us in the title race.
Add another 3 or 4 goals the onto Watkins total though, and depending on the games we could be 6 points clear. Everybody needs a 20+ goal striker. He's had the chances to score that many, so it's not like we're prioritising chances for him over the rest of the team.
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I thought Foster was excellent for them.
We need to be far more incisive in front of goal, terrible finishing Watkins Diaby and Ramsey meant a tough watch.
Huge 3 points.
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Made really really hard work of that. Thought we were extremely fortunate with two big decisions that I’d be screaming about if they went against us; the penalty and Diego Carlos handball. Thought Bailey, McGinn and Diaby (despite some of his finishing) we’re excellent. Moreno and Luiz off it. Got the job done but far far from convincing and we need to get better. Concentration has been going missing at far too many points in the last 3 games. Desperately need a right back so we can move Konsa to centre back alongside Pau Torres.
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Yes that Foster was a real handful, where did they get him from
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Watkins going through another barren spell.
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Yes that Foster was a real handful, where did they get him from
We should be in for him.
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We’re game of the day on Sky NOW!
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Not relevant to this game, but I just realised that Dendoncker scoring against Man U makes it 16 different players that have scored for us across all competitions. (17 if we count Martinez's own goal, but that wasn't for us)
I think Lenglet is the only player that gets any real game time that hasn't scored yet. And he did actually get it in the net once.
Yep. All comps:
Watkins 14
Bailey 9
Luiz 7
McGinn 7
Diaby 5
Duran 4
Cash 3
Torres 2
Moreno 2
Zaniolo 2
Carlos
Kamara
Tielemans
Digne
Ramsey
Dendonker
For years I've been arguing that our problems have been a lack of goals from the whole team not that we need a 20+ striker. A list like that makes me both happy and vindicated, this year we're doing exactly what I've wanted from us and it's got us in the title race.
Add another 3 or 4 goals the onto Watkins total though, and depending on the games we could be 6 points clear. Everybody needs a 20+ goal striker. He's had the chances to score that many, so it's not like we're prioritising chances for him over the rest of the team.
Or add those same 4 goals onto anyone else in that list (or add a couple more names to it) and we could still be 6 points clear and no closer to having a 20 a season man. In fact if you took 6 away from Watkins and gave an extra 1 to all the players who've only scored once it would, in this world of hypotheticals, make no difference.
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Luiz 7
McGinn 7
Diaby 5
Duran 4
Cash 3
Torres 2
Moreno 2
Zaniolo 2
Carlos
Kamara
Tielemans
Digne
Ramsey
Dendonker
For a moment, I thought that was brontebilly's player ratings for today's hard fought win.
😄 Will have to watch it back later
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Last season only Haaland, Kane and Toney scored 20 league goals. 2 of those sides did fuck all and the other player is a freak in a law breaking side.
Previous season only Salah and Son scored 20, season before that, Kane and Salah.
The way football is now the 20 a season striker is overall a bit outdated as teams set up differently to 10+ years ago.
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Not the greatest of performances and made very heavy weather of it at 2-1 up and a man up but got there in the end. It would have been severely deflating to have drawn that match and end the year on a flat note.
Was noticeable though that Kompany largely followed the Sheff Utd mantra of keeping everyone behind the ball and the Man Utd one of playing balls over the top for fast forwards to chase.
Lenglet and Carlos just aren't quick enough (Lenglet especially) to chase speedy forwards with a high line. Burnley like Man Utd looked threatening just trying this simple tactic.
If we ever have to play Carlos and Lenglet together again maybe we need to have a re-think?
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Anybody else on the same points as the leaders but with an inferior goal difference - second. Aston Villa on the same points as the leaders but with an inferior goal difference. Joint top. It's just basic maths. ;)
Oh how I love this logic!
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Or add those same 4 goals onto anyone else in that list (or add a couple more names to it) and we could still be 6 points clear and no closer to having a 20 a season man. In fact if you took 6 away from Watkins and gave an extra 1 to all the players who've only scored once it would, in this world of hypotheticals, make no difference.
He's doing great, but the point I'm making is he "could" be a 20 goal a season player. He scores a good number of goals but with a better first touch and better finishing he could be on more. If he'd scored more from lots of the chances he's had and missed, we'd have finished higher in the table for the last three seasons.
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Best game for Diaby in quite a while, brilliant work rate in tracking back on a number of occasions it’s just a shame he didn’t get a couple more goals. A player of his standard should be at least hitting the target with those chances at 2-1.
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For a moment, I thought that was brontebilly's player ratings for today's hard fought win.
😄 Will have to watch it back later
Only kidding. :)
I do value your thoughts on the games, as you're of the more astute posters on here when it comes to football.
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Watkins going through another barren spell.
Might not have scored but two assists today.
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Or add those same 4 goals onto anyone else in that list (or add a couple more names to it) and we could still be 6 points clear and no closer to having a 20 a season man. In fact if you took 6 away from Watkins and gave an extra 1 to all the players who've only scored once it would, in this world of hypotheticals, make no difference.
He's doing great, but the point I'm making is he "could" be a 20 goal a season player. He scores a good number of goals but with a better first touch and better finishing he could be on more. If he'd scored more from lots of the chances he's had and missed, we'd have finished higher in the table for the last three seasons.
He could be, sure, but he doesn't need to be for us to be successful, the idea that you need a top scoring striker to win the league is massively out of date (PWS said 10 years above but I reckon it's a lot more than that with the odd blip over the last 30 years). To repeat though, the last sentence is true for us as an entire squad, not just Watkins, so I don't see the need to single him out.
This season we're scoring goals in the sort of quantity you need to be in a title race and, despite some ropey defending at times, that's exactly where we find ourselves. Watkins is also top for assists in the league which shows that he's still fundamental in our attack but now we flood the box with enough men and enough quality that it's hard to stop us.
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Good hard fought win although we were extremely wasteful today in front of goal and should have had this game sorted out a lot sooner
best player for me today was there Lyle Foster he had Lenglet and Carlos on toast every time he took them on and was dangerous throughout the whole game playing on his own up front
Don’t know anything about him at all apart from seeing him live today
Bailey was our danger man thought he was our man of the match
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I never really understand “joint top” - we’re second, goal difference is a factor. It’s brilliant obviously, but if the league finished now the title wouldn’t be shared.
At this stage in the season joint top is a relevant statement. It shows progress at similar level to another team. Of course there is a final eliminator called goal difference when music stops playing but for now we are joint top.
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Full match being shown on Sky now as their Game of the day.
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That Foster was rated as a youth, was in one of the Guardian's '100 best young player' lists (so was Jhon).
I'd be keeping an eye on him.
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That Foster was rated as a youth, was in one of the Guardian's '100 best young player' lists (so was Jhon).
I'd be keeping an eye on him.
Loads of pace and good feet but his finishing lets him down most of the time (good today though). As I said in the match thread for me he's no better than Archer and is a couple of years older.
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I could half understand Torres coming on but it did leave me a bit miffed as a potential wasted sub.
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I thought Foster was very good today to be honest, beat the offside trap a few times and generally gave Carlos and Lenglet a match.
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That Foster was rated as a youth, was in one of the Guardian's '100 best young player' lists (so was Jhon).
I'd be keeping an eye on him.
Yes.
It was clear "early doors" that he had the measure of Lenglet and could could beat him for pace and strength.
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That Foster was rated as a youth, was in one of the Guardian's '100 best young player' lists (so was Jhon).
I'd be keeping an eye on him.
Loads of pace and good feet but his finishing lets him down most of the time (good today though). As I said in the match thread for me he's no better than Archer and is a couple of years older.
Yes, but I'm always willing to give centre forwards a couple of years grace, there's many that put it all together in their mid to late 20's and then take off.
He might be one, he might not but he's got the tools.
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Yes that Foster was a real handful, where did they get him from
We should be in for
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I thought Foster was very good today to be honest, beat the offside trap a few times and generally gave Carlos and Lenglet a match.
i think it was more a case of Carlos / Lenglet being poor, he should have been handled with minimal fuss but we looked ragged defensively .
Not helped by Moreno having another absolute shocker
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I thought Foster was very good today to be honest, beat the offside trap a few times and generally gave Carlos and Lenglet a match.
i think it was more a case of Carlos / Lenglet being poor, he should have been handled with minimal fuss but we looked ragged defensively .
Not helped by Moreno having another absolute shocker
Moreno had a shocker?
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That Foster was rated as a youth, was in one of the Guardian's '100 best young player' lists (so was Jhon).
I'd be keeping an eye on him.
Loads of pace and good feet but his finishing lets him down most of the time (good today though). As I said in the match thread for me he's no better than Archer and is a couple of years older.
Yes, but I'm always willing to give centre forwards a couple of years grace, there's many that put it all together in their mid to late 20's and then take off.
He might be one, he might not but he's got the tools.
Looks like he could play as an outright centre forward and also just behind or slightly to one side of a striker
Reminded me of that fella down at Bournemouth who’s getting rave reviews at the moment
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Sorry, stuff up with the quoting, too many beers
Foster is a South African youngster, lots of potential, but has had a few mental health issues.
Has been left out of the SA national squad for the AFCON Games
Wish him well, and maybe at a smaller club like Burnley he can feel/be comfortable at more homely environment
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On Lyle Foster, this is from early November
Burnley top scorer Lyle Foster is in the care of specialists after the recurrence of a mental health issue.
Foster, 23, first spoke about suffering with depression in July and has reached out to the club again for support.
Clarets manager Vincent Kompany said no timeframe has been put on Foster's return to the team.
Burnley said: "Recently, Lyle let us know that he continues to live with issues around his mental wellbeing and has reached out for help."
The club statement was released "on behalf of Lyle Foster and his family" to "share with you an update on Lyle's illness".
It added: "He is currently in the care of specialists - giving him the support and care he needs to help him back to full health.
"With the love and support of his family and everyone at Burnley Football Club, we will do all we can to provide everything he needs to get better."
They asked people to "respect Lyle's privacy", adding they "will not be making any more comment until further notice".
In an interview with South African radio station MSW earlier this year, Foster spoke about his time at Belgian side Westerlo, where he played between August 2021 and January 2023.
"I was in my apartment all by myself. I realised I just felt this huge sense of loneliness," he said.
"I felt like I couldn't really express myself with all of my team-mates. It was a lot more difficult to be around them and do things footballers are supposed to do.
"I just used to try and go to training, play games and honestly the best thing to do at that time of my life was to go back home and sleep. There was no real excitement or looking forward to anything.
"That's when I realised I was in some trouble and I panicked a little bit. I didn't know what was going on or how to deal with it because it was the first time I was in a position like that."
Boss Kompany says speaking up about mental health is "not a taboo" any more and Foster was at "breaking point" before reaching out for help.
Speaking to the club's in-house media, Kompany said: "We were very fortunate that Lyle had been very open with us. From that moment we could act, as soon as he said it and showed signs of how severe it was for him.
"The entire support team within the club mobilised and made sure he could focus on his own recovery. In moments like this, we have to put the human first.
"Where Lyle is lucky is that he has a very good network around him. He has a very healthy supportive family and a club and people who want to help him - not just for the player he is, but for the person he is.
"We will provide the best care in the world possible to get him over his mental health issues. That is not a taboo any more, if people speak up about it they do get help."
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I thought Foster was very good today to be honest, beat the offside trap a few times and generally gave Carlos and Lenglet a match.
i think it was more a case of Carlos / Lenglet being poor, he should have been handled with minimal fuss but we looked ragged defensively .
Not helped by Moreno having another absolute shocker
Moreno had a shocker?
i thought he was poor today and he wasn't good in his cameo at OT. In his defence he is very rusty
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I thought Moreno had a good game. Almost back to his usual levels.
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I thought Foster was very good today to be honest, beat the offside trap a few times and generally gave Carlos and Lenglet a match.
i think it was more a case of Carlos / Lenglet being poor, he should have been handled with minimal fuss but we looked ragged defensively .
Not helped by Moreno having another absolute shocker
Moreno had a shocker?
i thought he was poor today and he wasn't good in his cameo at OT. In his defence he is very rusty
He’s certainly not up to his old standard but I thought he didn’t get enough of the ball first half but provided a good option in the second and gave quite a bit of attacking thrust.
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I thought Foster was very good today to be honest, beat the offside trap a few times and generally gave Carlos and Lenglet a match.
i think it was more a case of Carlos / Lenglet being poor, he should have been handled with minimal fuss but we looked ragged defensively .
Not helped by Moreno having another absolute shocker
Moreno had a shocker?
i thought he was poor today and he wasn't good in his cameo at OT. In his defence he is very rusty
He’s certainly not up to his old standard but I thought he didn’t get enough of the ball first half but provided a good option in the second and gave quite a bit of attacking thrust.
ok going forwards but defensively ?
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I think Lenglet and DC struggled primarily because the midfield was so open in front of them. If Kamara was there it looks completely different.
But job done, and being right in the title race at the end of December is a crazy effort. Get some of our injuries/suspensions back and hopefully add a couple in January, we’re in great shape.
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best player for me today was there Lyle Foster he had Lenglet and Carlos on toast every time he took them on and was dangerous throughout the whole game playing on his own up front
Don’t know anything about him at all apart from seeing him live today
If/when Burnleh go down he might be a useful backup option for us.
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best player for me today was there Lyle Foster he had Lenglet and Carlos on toast every time he took them on and was dangerous throughout the whole game playing on his own up front
Don’t know anything about him at all apart from seeing him live today
If/when Burnleh go down he might be a useful backup option for us.
take the keeper Trafford aswell
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and bring aaron back home
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Get Jay Rodriguez and Ben Mee in while we're at it.
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Get Jay Rodriguez and Ben Mee in while we're at it.
Ben Mee ?
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I thought Foster was very good today to be honest, beat the offside trap a few times and generally gave Carlos and Lenglet a match.
i think it was more a case of Carlos / Lenglet being poor, he should have been handled with minimal fuss but we looked ragged defensively .
Not helped by Moreno having another absolute shocker
Moreno wasn't that bad, he's getting back up to speed. Do you go to the matches?
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Foster is decent. Be a good back up to Ollie
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I thought Foster was very good today to be honest, beat the offside trap a few times and generally gave Carlos and Lenglet a match.
i think it was more a case of Carlos / Lenglet being poor, he should have been handled with minimal fuss but we looked ragged defensively .
Not helped by Moreno having another absolute shocker
Moreno had a shocker?
i thought he was poor today and he wasn't good in his cameo at OT. In his defence he is very rusty
He’s certainly not up to his old standard but I thought he didn’t get enough of the ball first half but provided a good option in the second and gave quite a bit of attacking thrust.
ok going forwards but defensively ?
Moreno was no worse than anyone else defensively, it’s not like they were constantly exposing him down that side.
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I thought Moreno was generally good but a bit late on stepping up with the offside trap a couple of times. Which is fine, it's incredibly hard and demands incredible practice, but it did happen a couple of times.
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I thought Moreno was generally good but a bit late on stepping up with the offside trap a couple of times. Which is fine, it's incredibly hard and demands incredible practice, but it did happen a couple of times.
. Just the usual rustiness of coming back from injury
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It seemed like Martinez was at fault for both goals?
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It seemed like Martinez was at fault for both goals?
Dunno how he can be blamed for the first but ill have to watch it back. The 2nd it looked like Torres and Carlos stepped up to late and Moreno got out muscled, then Martinez should've saved it.
Edit. Looking back he was completely lost for the 1st. Should have done better with both for sure.
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It seemed like Martinez was at fault for both goals?
Dunno how he can be blamed for the first but ill have to watch it back. The 2nd it looked like Torres and Carlos stepped up to late and Moreno got out muscled, then Martinez should've saved it.
He was beaten at the near post with the offside chance so he might have took that as a warning on where he might put it.
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Just seen the goals again on MOTD. Their second goal was really poor tbh.
Unai has got a bad eye on the interview.
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It seemed like Martinez was at fault for both goals?
No.
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Unai got a Stye?
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Need to rub gold on it
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Missed the game today as I was trekking around Porquerolles island, but quite happy that I lost my bet and we are bloody SECOND.
Emery's still a genius, and I'm still ready to make my contribution to the statue fund.
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It seemed like Martinez was at fault for both goals?
No.
2nd one partly. First one - nope. 2 players let the goalscorer free and it was a really nice finish to be fair.
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Really impressed by Foster for Burnley - thought he led the line brilliantly and took his goal well. I think he’s the guy who’s struggled with mental health issues, so good to see him enjoying playing.
This, thought he was excellent with good control and pace.
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Saw penalty given and still have no idea why it wouldn't have been given.
Duran nicks it away from Ramsey Jr who kicks his foot thereby preventing him from continuing to control the ball. It was in the area.
Can anyone help why this was controversial because I can't see it.
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I think it was looked at in the context of the softness of the decisions today that had a greater detrimental effect on them than it did us. We got a penalty, they lost a player and didn't get a potentially dangerous free kick.
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Saw penalty given and still have no idea why it wouldn't have been given.
Duran nicks it away from Ramsey Jr who kicks his foot thereby preventing him from continuing to control the ball. It was in the area.
Can anyone help why this was controversial because I can't see it.
Because there was virtually no contact and the contact did not prevent Duran playing the ball. If that was given against us we would be seething.
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Unai got a Stye?
It's an ingrowing eyelash, he just needs some tweezers.
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It's a pen. You don't have to clatter a player for it to be a foul. Their player was dumb as fuck to do that shirt pull while on a yellow. The only wrong decision was the handball, which was outside the box. I assume it would have been a yellow and a good free kick chance for them. Although a red appearing wouldn't shock me these days.
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I think it was looked at in the context of the softness of the decisions today that had a greater detrimental effect on them than it did us. We got a penalty, they lost a player and didn't get a potentially dangerous free kick.
I'd say that's fair, it went for us today. As long as Dougie doesn't repeat his party trick of bouncing the ball off the bar twice for future penalties, I'll be quite happy.
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It seemed like Martinez was at fault for both goals?
In what way
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It's a pen. You don't have to clatter a player for it to be a foul. Their player was dumb as fuck to do that shirt pull while on a yellow. The only wrong decision was the handball, which was outside the box. I assume it would have been a yellow and a good free kick chance for them. Although a red appearing wouldn't shock me these days.
The contact was minimal, Duran earns the penalty. It has happened against us many times. I am grateful but it doesn’t make it right.
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It's a pen. You don't have to clatter a player for it to be a foul. Their player was dumb as fuck to do that shirt pull while on a yellow. The only wrong decision was the handball, which was outside the box. I assume it would have been a yellow and a good free kick chance for them. Although a red appearing wouldn't shock me these days.
Last man doing a handball is the only reason it might have gone to VAR because I can't see any other reason a VAR check would be available, maybe a box check.
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It's a pen. You don't have to clatter a player for it to be a foul. Their player was dumb as fuck to do that shirt pull while on a yellow. The only wrong decision was the handball, which was outside the box. I assume it would have been a yellow and a good free kick chance for them. Although a red appearing wouldn't shock me these days.
The contact was minimal, Duran earns the penalty. It has happened against us many times. I am grateful but it doesn’t make it right.
Duran goes down and does a richard Burton which wins the pen . I'd be annoyed if it's against us but it's a pen
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Duran was still spinning when it when Doug was doing his run up😃
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It's a pen. You don't have to clatter a player for it to be a foul. Their player was dumb as fuck to do that shirt pull while on a yellow. The only wrong decision was the handball, which was outside the box. I assume it would have been a yellow and a good free kick chance for them. Although a red appearing wouldn't shock me these days.
The contact was minimal, Duran earns the penalty. It has happened against us many times. I am grateful but it doesn’t make it right.
Duran goes down and does a richard Burton which wins the pen . I'd be annoyed if it's against us but it's a pen
The thing is , no one knows what constitutes a hand ball or a foul in the penalty area.
It’s a lottery, Duran came up with a winning ticket.
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Had it been one given against us, I think my feelings of injustice at any ease of opposition tumble would be far, far outweighed by my spleen-venting at the defender who seems to think he's got all ****ing day.
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Had it been one given against us, I think my feelings of injustice at any ease of opposition tumble would be far, far outweighed by my spleen-venting at the defender who seems to think he's got all ****ing day.
explain?
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Ignoring the decision being in favour of us today, we as fans of the game may prefer a challenge like that to not be a pen, but the way the game is these days it is. Which is why both the ref and VAR gave a pen.
My issue is more that it is a pen, but an even more blatant one on Ollie recently wasn't. It's the inconsistencies that annoy me as it does at times feel like a lottery, and with VAR it shouldn't be.
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Ignoring the decision being in favour of us today, we as fans of the game may prefer a challenge like that to not be a pen, but the way the game is these days it is. Which is why both the ref and VAR gave a pen.
My issue is more that it is a pen, but an even more blatant one on Ollie recently wasn't. It's the inconsistencies that annoy me as it does at times feel like a lottery, and with VAR it shouldn't be.
The Watkins one last Friday is unfathonable when he was pulled over.
Today's was a pen. It isn't 1975 or 1985 or even 2015 anymore
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Their defender was totally unaware of what was around him. It's things like that which land them in the position they find themselves in the table.
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Considering we have 30,000 on the waiting list, does anyone know why the club don’t give out attendance figures anymore?
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I’d really like to know that as well.
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Players out of their prefered position, players coming back from injury and not up to the pace, the weakest subs bench for some time, no wonder we are off the pace. Lenglet and Carlos are two very slow centre backs and got caught out, we will get a couple in this coming month.
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Ignoring the decision being in favour of us today, we as fans of the game may prefer a challenge like that to not be a pen, but the way the game is these days it is. Which is why both the ref and VAR gave a pen.
My issue is more that it is a pen, but an even more blatant one on Ollie recently wasn't. It's the inconsistencies that annoy me as it does at times feel like a lottery, and with VAR it shouldn't be.
Agree, we don’t know any more.
I am pretty sure that most refs have never played the game beyond under 11s.
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Considering we have 30,000 on the waiting list, does anyone know why the club don’t give out attendance figures anymore?
Because they have a narrative to instill with the fans.
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I thought Foster was very good today to be honest, beat the offside trap a few times and generally gave Carlos and Lenglet a match.
i think it was more a case of Carlos / Lenglet being poor, he should have been handled with minimal fuss but we looked ragged defensively .
Not helped by Moreno having another absolute shocker
Moreno wasn't that bad, he's getting back up to speed. Do you go to the matches?
Does that matter? I don't any more.
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They asked me the same? I thought it was odd as obviously I didn’t.
Fucking hell that was hard work. Not just us and not taking our chances but my stream was jumping forwards and backwards through time. I felt like I was in an episode of Lost and Desmond was about to turn up for tea.
UTV and Happy New Year!
So, you weren't at VP?
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They asked me the same? I thought it was odd as obviously I didn’t.
Fucking hell that was hard work. Not just us and not taking our chances but my stream was jumping forwards and backwards through time. I felt like I was in an episode of Lost and Desmond was about to turn up for tea.
UTV and Happy New Year!
So, you weren't at VP?
We must be inferior fans in their eyes.
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It's a pen. You don't have to clatter a player for it to be a foul. Their player was dumb as fuck to do that shirt pull while on a yellow. The only wrong decision was the handball, which was outside the box. I assume it would have been a yellow and a good free kick chance for them. Although a red appearing wouldn't shock me these days.
The contact was minimal, Duran earns the penalty. It has happened against us many times. I am grateful but it doesn’t make it right.
Having seen it again, it doesn't look anything like a penalty to me. The defender mildly touches Duran's foot, which isn't a foul, but Jhon goes down and flips over and over like he's been shot. The contact looked similar to me to the Luiz one against Arsenal which wasn't given against us. Still, we've had enough shit decisions, like Ollie being shoved over, so I'll take anything marginal in our favour.
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Same.
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Ollie shoved over twice against wolves as well. The handball agains Sheffield United which if judged to to be the tee shirt line meant he was wearing a dinner shirt. Then there’s the offside that shouldn’t have been in the conference match. Fcuk them I say.
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It's a pen. You don't have to clatter a player for it to be a foul. Their player was dumb as fuck to do that shirt pull while on a yellow. The only wrong decision was the handball, which was outside the box. I assume it would have been a yellow and a good free kick chance for them. Although a red appearing wouldn't shock me these days.
The contact was minimal, Duran earns the penalty. It has happened against us many times. I am grateful but it doesn’t make it right.
Having seen it again, it doesn't look anything like a penalty to me. The defender mildly touches Duran's foot, which isn't a foul, but Jhon goes down and flips over and over like he's been shot. The contact looked similar to me to the Luiz one against Arsenal which wasn't given against us. Still, we've had enough shit decisions, like Ollie being shoved over, so I'll take anything marginal in our favour.
Dean Smith was the co-commentator on R5 Live.
He said it was never a penalty.
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Quite a few of those have been given where a defender is too slow and the striker comes from behind and nicks it away and is caught by the defender. They have actually been used to tell VAR not to always back the ref on contact if a penalty has been given, luckily for us they decided to back Atwell. However, as we have had certain nailed on ones not given which have cost us points in several matches, I will take it for the win.
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Considering we have 30,000 on the waiting list, does anyone know why the club don’t give out attendance figures anymore?
aggressive tax avoidance
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Considering we have 30,000 on the waiting list, does anyone know why the club don’t give out attendance figures anymore?
aggressive tax avoidance
Fair enough, you don't get to be a hedge fund billionaire by paying more tax than you need to.
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Considering we have 30,000 on the waiting list, does anyone know why the club don’t give out attendance figures anymore?
aggressive tax avoidance
Fair enough, you don't get to be a hedge fund billionaire by paying more tax than you need to.
look after the pennies and the trillions $$$$ look after themselves. To the moon baby 8)
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Quite a few of those have been given where a defender is too slow and the striker comes from behind and nicks it away and is caught by the defender. They have actually been used to tell VAR not to always back the ref on contact if a penalty has been given, luckily for us they decided to back Atwell. However, as we have had certain nailed on ones not given which have cost us points in several matches, I will take it for the win.
VAR only seem to overrule penalties given if it's very clear and obvious, eg if there's a touch of the ball that the ref missed, or if it's a complete dive with no contact whatsoever. Where there's some contact, they normally stick with the ref's decision to give it or not.
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Quite a few of those have been given where a defender is too slow and the striker comes from behind and nicks it away and is caught by the defender. They have actually been used to tell VAR not to always back the ref on contact if a penalty has been given, luckily for us they decided to back Atwell. However, as we have had certain nailed on ones not given which have cost us points in several matches, I will take it for the win.
But this is the problem, it wasn’t a pen but because they keep making shit decisions we have no reason to feel any remorse whatsoever.
This is not how it should be.
We should have won today because we created so many guilt edged chances which we failed to convert.
The problem is that we have a completely useless bunch of idiots officiating the game.
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Considering we have 30,000 on the waiting list, does anyone know why the club don’t give out attendance figures anymore?
aggressive tax avoidance
Fair enough, you don't get to be a hedge fund billionaire by paying more tax than you need to.
look after the pennies and the trillions $$$$ look after themselves. To the moon baby 8)
Not in doubt, when we have Lunai Emery in charge. 8)
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Considering we have 30,000 on the waiting list, does anyone know why the club don’t give out attendance figures anymore?
aggressive tax avoidance
Fair enough, you don't get to be a hedge fund billionaire by paying more tax than you need to.
We have hedge fund billionaires owning the club?
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Considering we have 30,000 on the waiting list, does anyone know why the club don’t give out attendance figures anymore?
aggressive tax avoidance
Fair enough, you don't get to be a hedge fund billionaire by paying more tax than you need to.
We have hedge fund billionaires owning the club?
Yes, he's called Wes.
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Considering we have 30,000 on the waiting list, does anyone know why the club don’t give out attendance figures anymore?
aggressive tax avoidance
Fair enough, you don't get to be a hedge fund billionaire by paying more tax than you need to.
We have hedge fund billionaires owning the club?
Yes, he's called Wes.
You understand the difference between Hedge Funds and Private Equity?
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Quite a few of those have been given where a defender is too slow and the striker comes from behind and nicks it away and is caught by the defender. They have actually been used to tell VAR not to always back the ref on contact if a penalty has been given, luckily for us they decided to back Atwell. However, as we have had certain nailed on ones not given which have cost us points in several matches, I will take it for the win.
VAR only seem to overrule penalties given if it's very clear and obvious, eg if there's a touch of the ball that the ref missed, or if it's a complete dive with no contact whatsoever. Where there's some contact, they normally stick with the ref's decision to give it or not.
Yes, but after Wolves had penalties like todays given against them because the Ref had given it first as well. Webb actually listed extra guidance to VAR operators about contact in November. (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/nov/22/howard-webb-var-advice-penalties-referees-premier-league)
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Quite a few of those have been given where a defender is too slow and the striker comes from behind and nicks it away and is caught by the defender. They have actually been used to tell VAR not to always back the ref on contact if a penalty has been given, luckily for us they decided to back Atwell. However, as we have had certain nailed on ones not given which have cost us points in several matches, I will take it for the win.
But this is the problem, it wasn’t a pen but because they keep making shit decisions we have no reason to feel any remorse whatsoever.
This is not how it should be.
We should have won today because we created so many guilt edged chances which we failed to convert.
The problem is that we have a completely useless bunch of idiots officiating the game.
Couldn't agree more CL!
Refs and VAR making up their own interpretations of clear and simple rules have muddied the waters incredibly.
Instead of a two handed push and shirt pulling on Ollie Watkins being deemed no foul we have a grab of a bit of a shirt today being deemed a foul and a yellow card. How the f**k does that happen? The PL Refs' Union only have themselves to blame for the continual shit they get when they dispense such ridiculous inconsistencies!
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Considering we have 30,000 on the waiting list, does anyone know why the club don’t give out attendance figures anymore?
aggressive tax avoidance
Fair enough, you don't get to be a hedge fund billionaire by paying more tax than you need to.
We have hedge fund billionaires owning the club?
Yes, he's called Wes.
You understand the difference between Hedge Funds and Private Equity?
He was the king of sub prime mortgage lending, that's one label that's accurate.
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Quite a few of those have been given where a defender is too slow and the striker comes from behind and nicks it away and is caught by the defender. They have actually been used to tell VAR not to always back the ref on contact if a penalty has been given, luckily for us they decided to back Atwell. However, as we have had certain nailed on ones not given which have cost us points in several matches, I will take it for the win.
But this is the problem, it wasn’t a pen but because they keep making shit decisions we have no reason to feel any remorse whatsoever.
This is not how it should be.
We should have won today because we created so many guilt edged chances which we failed to convert.
The problem is that we have a completely useless bunch of idiots officiating the game.
It is not a new thing and is nothing to do with VAR. For untold years we have had useless bunches of idiots officiating the game and the "big" teams getting decisions that ultimately win them a tight game. So when they do go our way I accept them.
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re the penalty, end of the day, who cares if it was or was not, we got it, which is the correct course of events.
There will be, and have been, plenty where we do not or have not.
For now, fuck them, we'll take the three points, you can whine about pen or no pen as long as you like. And while you're at it, that baseball cap + smart casual look is weird.
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Considering we have 30,000 on the waiting list, does anyone know why the club don’t give out attendance figures anymore?
aggressive tax avoidance
Fair enough, you don't get to be a hedge fund billionaire by paying more tax than you need to.
We have hedge fund billionaires owning the club?
Yes, he's called Wes.
You understand the difference between Hedge Funds and Private Equity?
He was the king of sub prime mortgage lending, that's one label that's accurate.
But a hedge fund billionaire isn’t.
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Burnley didn’t bring many fans either, so double balls to them.
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Considering we have 30,000 on the waiting list, does anyone know why the club don’t give out attendance figures anymore?
aggressive tax avoidance
Fair enough, you don't get to be a hedge fund billionaire by paying more tax than you need to.
We have hedge fund billionaires owning the club?
Yes, he's called Wes.
You understand the difference between Hedge Funds and Private Equity?
Most certainly, I've worked with both those type of funds.
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Wes’s firm Fortress definitely had hedge funds. Wasn’t just private equity.
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Wes’s firm Fortress definitely had hedge funds. Wasn’t just private equity.
But he is not a Hedge Fund billionaire.
Fortress Investment Group LLC is a leading, highly diversified global investment manager.
Founded in 1998, Fortress manages $46.2 billion of assets under management as of September 30, 2023, on behalf of over 1,900 institutional clients and private investors worldwide across a range of credit and real estate, private equity and permanent capital investment strategies.
Not a hedge fund.
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Couldn't agree more CL!
Refs and VAR making up their own interpretations of clear and simple rules have muddied the waters incredibly.
Instead of a two handed push and shirt pulling on Ollie Watkins being deemed no foul we have a grab of a bit of a shirt today being deemed a foul and a yellow card. How the f**k does that happen? The PL Refs' Union only have themselves to blame for the continual shit they get when they dispense such ridiculous inconsistencies!
There was enough on here bemoaning a player not being sent off for this exact foul and reason with the Bournemouth match. However your description of" a bit of a shirt" is probably stretched more then Luiz's jersey did with the grab. It was a deliberate act to stop Luiz from going forward on the attack with no attempt to play a ball and is more certain of yellow cards then other actions these days.
I do want to know why Atwell decided the first foul on JJ wasn't a freekick though but was a booking. After all any advantage was over almost straight away (3 seconds after the incident is when Moreno lost the ball) and we got called back for a "foul" on the keeper 20 seconds after Sheffield United had advantage twice. In the end we got the goal from that period of play directly after but we still had a slight scare with Konsa and Odebert.
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Accountants having a fight. Well I never........
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Wes’s firm Fortress definitely had hedge funds. Wasn’t just private equity.
Agreed, he was a partner at BlackRock before he co-founded Fortress which was named "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" in 2014 by Institutional Investor. In this instance, I'd say the term 'hedge fund billionaire' is close enough for the purposes of a quip in a post-match thread.
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Accountants having a fight. Well I never........
Don’t ever call me an accountant ;)
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Accountants having a fight. Well I never........
Accountants and CFA(s). ;)
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Accountants having a fight. Well I never........
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Wes’s firm Fortress definitely had hedge funds. Wasn’t just private equity.
Agreed, he was a partner at BlackRock before he co-founded Fortress which was named "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" in 2014 by Institutional Investor. In this instance, I'd say the term 'hedge fund billionaire' is close enough for the purposes of a quip in a post-match thread.
yes but not accurate.
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I thought it was funny when the ref booked Emi for time wasting. He blew as the ball was kicked, so then had to get the ball back to him which took another minute.
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Wes’s firm Fortress definitely had hedge funds. Wasn’t just private equity.
Agreed, he was a partner at BlackRock before he co-founded Fortress which was named "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" in 2014 by Institutional Investor. In this instance, I'd say the term 'hedge fund billionaire' is close enough for the purposes of a quip in a post-match thread.
yes but not accurate.
I think it is, you don't. Take it up with Institutional Investor.
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Wes’s firm Fortress definitely had hedge funds. Wasn’t just private equity.
Agreed, he was a partner at BlackRock before he co-founded Fortress which was named "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" in 2014 by Institutional Investor. In this instance, I'd say the term 'hedge fund billionaire' is close enough for the purposes of a quip in a post-match thread.
yes but not accurate.
I think it is, you don't. Take it up with Institutional Investor.
I don’t need to.
I know.
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Couldn't agree more CL!
Refs and VAR making up their own interpretations of clear and simple rules have muddied the waters incredibly.
Instead of a two handed push and shirt pulling on Ollie Watkins being deemed no foul we have a grab of a bit of a shirt today being deemed a foul and a yellow card. How the f**k does that happen? The PL Refs' Union only have themselves to blame for the continual shit they get when they dispense such ridiculous inconsistencies!
There was enough on here bemoaning a player not being sent off for this exact foul and reason with the Bournemouth match. However your description of" a bit of a shirt" is probably stretched more then Luiz's jersey did with the grab. It was a deliberate act to stop Luiz from going forward on the attack with no attempt to play a ball and is more certain of yellow cards then other actions these days.
I do want to know why Atwell decided the first foul on JJ wasn't a freekick though but was a booking. After all any advantage was over almost straight away (3 seconds after the incident is when Moreno lost the ball) and we got called back for a "foul" on the keeper 20 seconds after Sheffield United had advantage twice. In the end we got the goal from that period of play directly after but we still had a slight scare with Konsa and Odebert.
I know all that S....I was just making the point of inconsistency and stretching it, as you so eloquently put it.
My overall point, made elsewhere too, is that the inconsistencies of refs don't help anyone, least of all themselves, when it comes to criticism of their decision making/VAR. They are there to apply the laws, no one else is, but they do so in such a varied and subjective way that the law itself is lost amongst all the shit they've chosen to add to it. It's why the Villa/Arse ref's decision to disallow the Haevartz (??) goal was so good.....he applied the law exactly as he should have and didn't include emotion/sympathy/Arteta factor as so many do!
The Bournemouth player's shirt pull was clear....yellow...oh, it's a 2nd yellow, that's a red.....but no, because the player has already been booked the ref invokes the the sympathy card and lets him off. Makes no sense whatsoever!
It should all make sense but doesn't because refs are making their own stuff up as they go along!
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Wes’s firm Fortress definitely had hedge funds. Wasn’t just private equity.
Agreed, he was a partner at BlackRock before he co-founded Fortress which was named "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" in 2014 by Institutional Investor. In this instance, I'd say the term 'hedge fund billionaire' is close enough for the purposes of a quip in a post-match thread.
yes but not accurate.
I think it is, you don't. Take it up with Institutional Investor.
I don’t need to.
I know.
Oh well, I really was hoping the phrase "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" would have been a slight clue.
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Is this a post match thread or post match discussion? It's just that I would like to know for sake of accuracy!
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Wes’s firm Fortress definitely had hedge funds. Wasn’t just private equity.
Agreed, he was a partner at BlackRock before he co-founded Fortress which was named "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" in 2014 by Institutional Investor. In this instance, I'd say the term 'hedge fund billionaire' is close enough for the purposes of a quip in a post-match thread.
yes but not accurate.
I think it is, you don't. Take it up with Institutional Investor.
I don’t need to.
I know.
Oh well, I really was hoping the phrase "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" would have been a slight clue.
This really has to be the daftest argument I've seen here for a while, and I should know, I'm normally involved in them!
p.s. Duran was kicked, it's a penalty. Whether it was soft or not he was fouled, in the penalty area.
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Wes’s firm Fortress definitely had hedge funds. Wasn’t just private equity.
Agreed, he was a partner at BlackRock before he co-founded Fortress which was named "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" in 2014 by Institutional Investor. In this instance, I'd say the term 'hedge fund billionaire' is close enough for the purposes of a quip in a post-match thread.
yes but not accurate.
I think it is, you don't. Take it up with Institutional Investor.
I don’t need to.
I know.
Oh well, I really was hoping the phrase "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" would have been a slight clue.
This really has to be the daftest argument I've seen here for a while, and I should know, I'm normally involved in them!
p.s. Duran was kicked, it's a penalty. Whether it was soft or not he was fouled, in the penalty area.
If that pen was against us i'd be furious . As it was for us it's a stonewall pen and i hope Duran recovers soon from his underfoot injury which looked serious
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Only positive is that manures revival lasted long…….need to make it easier than we did but hopefully we need this warning and sort stuff out. Win was ugly but a win and is disappointing to only have 4 pts from a 3 game run
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Got lucky with the penalty. Even if there was minimal contact, its at the edge of the box and I don't think we win that without the gimme of a pen.
Luiz did his best to miss it too.
he's level with the penalty spot ....hardly edge of the box
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Saw penalty given and still have no idea why it wouldn't have been given.
Duran nicks it away from Ramsey Jr who kicks his foot thereby preventing him from continuing to control the ball. It was in the area.
Can anyone help why this was controversial because I can't see it.
Because there was virtually no contact and the contact did not prevent Duran playing the ball. If that was given against us we would be seething.
so there was contact
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Really think we need to use the squad in the FA Cup, there are only 2 prem games in Jan and it would give a lot of injured players time to recover.
For the Boro game I would go :
Emi
Cash if fit Carlos Lenglet Moreno
JJ Kamara Donk
Diaby Duran Zaniolo
Strong bench if needed
That team really should be good enough to beat an ordinary championship side.
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One thing - it hasn't made me chirpier admit the Everton and Newcastle games! Those will be proper strife I fear.
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The replay clearly shows there's contact so it's a penalty.
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Wes’s firm Fortress definitely had hedge funds. Wasn’t just private equity.
Agreed, he was a partner at BlackRock before he co-founded Fortress which was named "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" in 2014 by Institutional Investor. In this instance, I'd say the term 'hedge fund billionaire' is close enough for the purposes of a quip in a post-match thread.
yes but not accurate.
I think it is, you don't. Take it up with Institutional Investor.
I don’t need to.
I know.
Oh well, I really was hoping the phrase "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" would have been a slight clue.
This really has to be the daftest argument I've seen here for a while, and I should know, I'm normally involved in them!
p.s. Duran was kicked, it's a penalty. Whether it was soft or not he was fouled, in the penalty area.
If that pen was against us i'd be furious . As it was for us it's a stonewall pen and i hope Duran recovers soon from his underfoot injury which looked serious
And yet you'd know, for the reasons given, that it was, indeed, a penalty
And thank God we have a player who's learned how to be fouled.
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Not all contact in the box is a penalty.
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I thought it was funny when the ref booked Emi for time wasting. He blew as the ball was kicked, so then had to get the ball back to him which took another minute.
That made me laugh too. He's the most Argentinian footballer there is. And I love him.
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I thought it was funny when the ref booked Emi for time wasting. He blew as the ball was kicked, so then had to get the ball back to him which took another minute.
That made me laugh too. He's the most Argentinian footballer there is. And I love him.
He's the king. He looked so hurt as well! What a guy.
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It was never a penalty for me, but then thinking back last night to some of the games under Dyche when they shit housed their way to undeserved points against us I'm glad it was them that copped for it.
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We created chance after chance. We did more than enough to win the game.
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It wasn’t a penalty, I wasn’t too sure yesterday but seeing it today it’s very soft. However we had three very bad calls in one match against Sheffield and a very bad one up at Wolves.
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At 2-1 we were all over them and missed three or four clear chances. We weren't at our best but should still have won comfortably. I don't get the penalty argument, he kicked his foot in the box and Duran was savvy enough to go down. Clear penalty.
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I can definitely see three more points on the board so penalty or not FTF!
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I can definitely see three more points on the board so penalty or not FTF!
A penalty kick is a method of restarting play in association football, in which a player is allowed to take a single shot at the goal while it is defended only by the opposing team's goalkeeper. It is awarded when an offence punishable by a direct free kick is committed by a player in their own penalty area.
Source: Google
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Couldn't agree more CL!
Refs and VAR making up their own interpretations of clear and simple rules have muddied the waters incredibly.
Instead of a two handed push and shirt pulling on Ollie Watkins being deemed no foul we have a grab of a bit of a shirt today being deemed a foul and a yellow card. How the f**k does that happen? The PL Refs' Union only have themselves to blame for the continual shit they get when they dispense such ridiculous inconsistencies!
There was enough on here bemoaning a player not being sent off for this exact foul and reason with the Bournemouth match. However your description of" a bit of a shirt" is probably stretched more then Luiz's jersey did with the grab. It was a deliberate act to stop Luiz from going forward on the attack with no attempt to play a ball and is more certain of yellow cards then other actions these days.
I do want to know why Atwell decided the first foul on JJ wasn't a freekick though but was a booking. After all any advantage was over almost straight away (3 seconds after the incident is when Moreno lost the ball) and we got called back for a "foul" on the keeper 20 seconds after Sheffield United had advantage twice. In the end we got the goal from that period of play directly after but we still had a slight scare with Konsa and Odebert.
I know all that S....I was just making the point of inconsistency and stretching it, as you so eloquently put it.
My overall point, made elsewhere too, is that the inconsistencies of refs don't help anyone, least of all themselves, when it comes to criticism of their decision making/VAR. They are there to apply the laws, no one else is, but they do so in such a varied and subjective way that the law itself is lost amongst all the shit they've chosen to add to it. It's why the Villa/Arse ref's decision to disallow the Haevartz (??) goal was so good.....he applied the law exactly as he should have and didn't include emotion/sympathy/Arteta factor as so many do!
The Bournemouth player's shirt pull was clear....yellow...oh, it's a 2nd yellow, that's a red.....but no, because the player has already been booked the ref invokes the the sympathy card and lets him off. Makes no sense whatsoever!
It should all make sense but doesn't because refs are making their own stuff up as they go along!
My son summed it up, “Being a ref is the most vibes job going”
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That's an excellent observation.
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Thought it was a penalty tbh, though a soft one. If it's on halfway it's a foul, so I'm the box it's a penalty. Makes up somewhat for the ludicrously non-awarded foul on Watkins v. Sheffield United.
Kompany has a point about the Carlos handball though! I thought that was a free-kick and a yellow, was startled to see Emi taking a calm goalkick (I had the sound off).
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It was handball, free kick and a yellow. But the ref didn't see it, so var could only check to see if the handball was in the box, or outside. Cos it was outside, they couldn't do anything?
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No no. Both calls were correct. Why can't we, the football fans, give officials credit for getting it right now and then? Aaron caught Jhon in full flight. It wasn't just a little tap as some have said it unbalanced him. Diego handball, it bounced off his thigh and onto his hand in a natural position, he wasnt looking at the ball. However he did fuck up that play big time.
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Burnley didn’t bring many fans either, so double balls to them.
Yes that was surprising. I thought coming from up north this could be a lifelong holiday trip for them, but I suppose the kick off was at an awkward time 3PM on a Saturday afternoon :). I can understand when Palace, Fulham etc don't fulfil their allocation.
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We had enough chances to have won 3 games. We were totally dominant throughout and fully deserved the win. Yes, we made harder work of it than we should but even with many below par performances were superior to Burnley just about everywhere. I would love to see Konsa back in the middle where he’s best. Lenglet and Carlos are decent but far too slow for my liking, hurry up and get fit Tyrone.
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These comments and the variety that we all see them really highlights the main problem for VAR. So many decisions are too subjective and is prefer to be relying on the three on field referees at the time the incident happens.
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It was the sort of penalty decision that makes it all the more incredible that we are yet to concede a penalty all season. They get given for the merest contact.
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In amongst Man U’s numerous title wins under Alex Ferguson, and some of the excellent football they played, often at our expense, it’s forgotten just how many games they needed to fight through to the bitter end. The whole “Fergie time” didn’t come about because they were winning 4-0 heading into the 90th minute. It’s because they went to the very end. You can always argue they got a little help from refs but it’s a mentality that in the point we earned vs Sheff Utd or today vs Burnley, even a few games ago vs Palace, that we need to have to be successful. Not every game is going to be Brighton at home. The last three games have tested us in very different ways. It’s good to end the year with a win.
A paragraph or two from the BBC along the lines of what you're saying TV:
If Aston Villa needed to signal that they are genuine Premier League title challengers, their victory over Burnley fulfilled that requirement.
Not that their 3-2 win over the Clarets was convincing, far from it. It was only sealed in the final minutes of regulation time through a penalty which struck the bar twice.
But it ticked the box of winning ugly, of securing three points even when well below their best. If Villa - now level on points with leaders Liverpool - are to stay in the title race, these are the wins they need.
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It was the sort of penalty decision that makes it all the more incredible that we are yet to concede a penalty all season. They get given for the merest contact.
I don't think it was a pen to be honest but Duran's reaction was so extreme that it probably convinced the ref to give it. Having said that we should definitely have got 2 pens against Sheffield.
Then again, Douglas Luiz's kick on Jesus in the Arsenal game was a far clearer pen than yesterday's.
It's swings and roundabouts, innit?
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It was far nervier than it should have been, we missed far too many chances to make it comfortable, we didn't even work the keeper for most of them. But we did deserve to win, they only had two chances and scored them both, and both were infuriatingly preventable.
We just dont look as solid and organised at the back these last three games, and Duggie is well off his feed which means we dont control the midfield tempo. I though Bailey was star man, he looked the only one likely to open them up, Konsa and Ollie also very good, everyone else various shades of average.
We, the match going fans, also need to remember that Unai's patient, probing possession style is what has transformed us into a side competing at the top, the general harummphing to 'get it forward' in the last 10 mins is daft, we don't play that way and making the atmosphere anxious is counter productive.
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I don't think it was a pen to be honest but Duran's reaction was so extreme that it probably convinced the ref to give it. Having said that we should definitely have got 2 pens against Sheffield.
Nothing to do with Duran's reaction. The ref decided it was a pen as soon as he was kicked however he waited to if McGinn could find some advantage and post that he pointed to the spot. Very good refereeing all around.
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It was the sort of penalty decision that makes it all the more incredible that we are yet to concede a penalty all season. They get given for the merest contact.
I don't think it was a pen to be honest but Duran's reaction was so extreme that it probably convinced the ref to give it. Having said that we should definitely have got 2 pens against Sheffield.
Then again, Douglas Luiz's kick on Jesus in the Arsenal game was a far clearer pen than yesterday's.
It's swings and roundabouts, innit?
I agree that it wasn’t a Pen on Duran, but I don’t think it was on Jesus though, again there is minimal contact and a huge player over reaction.
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Diego handball, it bounced off his thigh and onto his hand in a natural position, he wasnt looking at the ball. However he did fuck up that play big time.
What was VAR looking at, deliberate handball and a red? Or handball in the box for a pen?
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Wes’s firm Fortress definitely had hedge funds. Wasn’t just private equity.
Agreed, he was a partner at BlackRock before he co-founded Fortress which was named "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" in 2014 by Institutional Investor. In this instance, I'd say the term 'hedge fund billionaire' is close enough for the purposes of a quip in a post-match thread.
yes but not accurate.
I think it is, you don't. Take it up with Institutional Investor.
I don’t need to.
I know.
Oh well, I really was hoping the phrase "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" would have been a slight clue.
This really has to be the daftest argument I've seen here for a while, and I should know, I'm normally involved in them!
p.s. Duran was kicked, it's a penalty. Whether it was soft or not he was fouled, in the penalty area.
Like Harry Kane use to get
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Really think we need to use the squad in the FA Cup, there are only 2 prem games in Jan and it would give a lot of injured players time to recover.
For the Boro game I would go :
Emi
Cash if fit Carlos Lenglet Moreno
JJ Kamara Donk
Diaby Duran Zaniolo
Strong bench if needed
That team really should be good enough to beat an ordinary championship side.
Erm … yes, should be, but have you studied our recent FA Cup history …
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The continued use of VAR pushes me ever nearer to giving up going to top flight football. Yesterday was a great game but the drama and emotion was 50% of what it could've been and I don't want to watch a game where I can't celebrate a goal with any conviction.
It was a struggle as far as the game goes but you could see how much it meant to everyone at the end to get the points. For once, I'm glad of a break but the lopsided nature of the fixtures in Dec and Jan really needs to be addressed.
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Their address is Turf Moor, 52-56 Harry Potts Way, Burnley BB10 4BX if any of you sleepless people want to pop two points in an envelope.
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Yeah, whatever the rights and wrongs of VAR, and I was never a supporter from the start, its sucking the joy out of being at the game, I hardly celebrated Diaby's goal other than a cheer and applause as I knew it was coming back for a VAR check.
And I suppose that it is not the injustice of various VAR calls that will eventually kill it off, it is that it is ruining the atmosphere and the 'product' that is so valuable, it's meaning overseas TV will pay less the worse the atmospheres get. Maybe.
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The continued use of VAR pushes me ever nearer to giving up going to top flight football.
I haven't watched boxing or F1 for a couple of decades as those sports have been ruined by meddling. Watching the Villa (usually from home obviously) could go the same way, as yesterday's match rammed it home to me that they are wanting to use VAR whenever they can. It was really noticeable from my armchair. And it is not going to go away, is it?
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He nicked the ball, got kicked, fell over. Pen.
The Dougie v Arsenal one was worrying when it happened as that could have easily been a pen too. I think the only reason it wasn’t given was because Jesus went down in instalments.
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More difficult than it should have been but 3 points on the board is the main thing.
Need Konsa back as CB asap and another RB as a priority.
The players have all been magnificent this season and injuries and loss of form for the odd player is expected.
VAR though really is ruining the atmosphere when goals are scored and you have to wait 5 minutes for a decision.
Hopefully with some players back and maybe some new additions and less games in January we can keep it all going.
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The continued use of VAR pushes me ever nearer to giving up going to top flight football.
I haven't watched boxing or F1 for a couple of decades as those sports have been ruined by meddling. Watching the Villa (usually from home obviously) could go the same way, as yesterday's match rammed it home to me that they are wanting to use VAR whenever they can. It was really noticeable from my armchair. And it is not going to go away, is it?
For the time being at least, we (Villa) need VAR. Firstly because of our offside trap, secondly because of not being one the refs favourite clubs.
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Sad state of affairs but true enough.
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To be fair yesterday, the ref did at least make a decision on the penalty rather than abdicating his responsibilities to the VAR team. Not like the prick in the Sheffield United game, who may as well have not been there.
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Another good win, battling against a string of key injuries (Mings, Buendia, Torres, Cash, Digne, Tielemans, Traore), suspensions (Kamara), and players still getting back into the fold (JJ, Moreno). Winning ugly is a part of the game - how many times have we watched the so-called top 6 do it so we should not get too frustrated when we do it either. In many ways, the scrappy ugly wins are more valuable than the 4-0 walk overs because they show resilience, grit, and fight which we will need for the remainder of the season.
We have only now got 3 more games in January which, should give Unai and the players a bit of a breather after 8 games in December, allow some of those injured time to return, quality time on the training ground, etc.
All very positive. UTV!
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The continued use of VAR pushes me ever nearer to giving up going to top flight football.
I haven't watched boxing or F1 for a couple of decades as those sports have been ruined by meddling. Watching the Villa (usually from home obviously) could go the same way, as yesterday's match rammed it home to me that they are wanting to use VAR whenever they can. It was really noticeable from my armchair. And it is not going to go away, is it?
For the time being at least, we (Villa) need VAR. Firstly because of our offside trap, secondly because of not being one the refs favourite clubs.
If they get rid of it we'll adjust how we play. They won't change it mid-season. It really is sucking the joy out of the game.
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Weren't all the on-field decisions upheld yesterday, offsides and everything? Again. Which does beg the question of why does it take those in stockley park quite so long to agree with their colleagues.
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Have to say, I find VAR frustrating and the application of it infuriating, but I do think people forget just how fucking gutting it used to be to lose to offside goals, when unbelievably obvious fouls would be ignored because the referee's decision is final, just how much scope it gave to starfucker refs to suck up to the Big Teams with their bias and favouritism. It's a million miles from perfect, but I never want to go back to that
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It is what it is. I'd just like the VAR teams to be mic'd up and the ref similar to US football so everyone can understand what's going on
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What bollocks is this from The BBC, Emma Smith report
“Villa went back in front with Watkins - narrowly judged onside by VAR” is she suggesting we were lucky with the 2nd goal?
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What bollocks is this from The BBC, Emma Smith report
“Villa went back in front with Watkins - narrowly judged onside by VAR” is she suggesting we were lucky with the 2nd goal?
He was onside . She's making it sound like it was an optional decision. Idiot
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As written, it sounds like a jury was split. She needs a decent sub.
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VAR has helped us with our high line, in real time we would have conceded many more from those that have been marginal decisions.
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On the penalty, it WAS soft, but the context is everything. If they’re going for a 50/50 I don’t think it’s given. I think the fact that he nicked it off the toe of Ramsey Jnr makes the contact more significant. On the replay the first thing Ramsey Jnr does is look back at the ref because he knows he was robbed and made contact. The ref only played on to see if we’d score from the advantage, and when McGinn turns away from goal he blows.
I also think that if he DOESN’T give it, he’s not sent to review it by VAR. so we’re lucky he gave it. There was contact, so it was never being overturned by VAR, but I’m not sure the contact was enough that VAR would have intervened had he not given it. Which is how it should be. It’s there for obvious errors, not to correct the refs view of whether contact was “sufficient” for penalty, or not.
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VAR has helped us with our high line, in real time we would have conceded many more from those that have been marginal decisions.
I'm not sure, almost every offside we've won has come with a late flag before being checked, I can only think of a couple since Emery came in that weren't flagged and then got given on VAR.
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I watched it from the North Stand. To me it looked a clear penalty. Duran was through and impeded.
However Attwell didn’t seem to want to give it (I am still suspicious about his cov affiliations) and only seemed to be persuaded by fact Duran seemed to be seriously injured and was staying down.
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Susan, ha!
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Who's Susan
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To me it seems Atwell lets play develop to see if there's an advantage as well as give himself a few extra seconds to make a decision. I'd rather that than they make an immediate decision, be it right or wrong or for or against us.
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Attwell stared at Duran for ages before giving it,
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I think the ref just took his time with the decision. Then Luiz took his time with the run up and the ball took its time deciding if it was going to go in or not
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Well the main thing is the result but that was my interpretation from directly above and behind.
For a number of reasons I will now be nervous the next time Attwell refs the Villa!
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Attwell stared at Duran for ages before giving it,
Good looking lad to be fair.
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It's a pen. You don't have to clatter a player for it to be a foul. Their player was dumb as fuck to do that shirt pull while on a yellow. The only wrong decision was the handball, which was outside the box. I assume it would have been a yellow and a good free kick chance for them. Although a red appearing wouldn't shock me these days.
The contact was minimal, Duran earns the penalty. It has happened against us many times. I am grateful but it doesn’t make it right.
Having seen it again, it doesn't look anything like a penalty to me. The defender mildly touches Duran's foot, which isn't a foul, but Jhon goes down and flips over and over like he's been shot. The contact looked similar to me to the Luiz one against Arsenal which wasn't given against us. Still, we've had enough shit decisions, like Ollie being shoved over, so I'll take anything marginal in our favour.
Dean Smith was the co-commentator on R5 Live.
He said it was never a penalty.
Looked a blatant dive let's be honest. Badly needed three points so we will take it. Would have been a disaster dropping two points yesterday in light of the collapse at Old Trafford.
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I think the ref just took his time with the decision. Then Luiz took his time with the run up and the ball took its time deciding if it was going to go in or not
And then the ref took his time blowing the final whistle.
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Carlos and Lenglet partnership is a concern, though the penalty was not a stonewaller, it was a thoroughly deserved win, the biggest plus for me is Leon, at last he is now fulfilling his potential.
A stat I read that surprised me was this was our first double over Burnley in the league since 1925-26 season.
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Carlos and Lenglet partnership is a concern, though the penalty was not a stonewaller, it was a thoroughly deserved win, the biggest plus for me is Leon, at last he is now fulfilling his potential.
A stat I read that surprised me was this was our first double over Burnley in the league since 1925-26 season.
That’s a pretty meaningless stat though isn’t it? How many of those 98 seasons were we actually in the same division?
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Carlos and Lenglet partnership is a concern, though the penalty was not a stonewaller, it was a thoroughly deserved win, the biggest plus for me is Leon, at last he is now fulfilling his potential.
A stat I read that surprised me was this was our first double over Burnley in the league since 1925-26 season.
That’s a pretty meaningless stat though isn’t it? How many of those 98 seasons were we actually in the same division?
Thirty-odd from a quick adding up, and it's 91, not 98.
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A stat I read that surprised me was this was our first double over Burnley in the league since 1925-26 season.
That's surprising but correct.
On MOTD they said that yesterday was our 100th league meeting (doesn't seem to tally with 11 v 11), of which we'd only won 44.
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If Diaby and Ramsey put away their gilt edged chances then the penalty becomes a total side issue . We have to be more clinical in front of goal.
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Who's Susan
Someone who needs to beware of the Devil. Although pedants might say it was Suzanne*
* One for the real old 'uns.
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If Diaby and Ramsey put away their gilt edged chances then the penalty becomes a total side issue . We have to be more clinical in front of goal.
We usually are quite clinical, but agreed it shouldn’t have ever come to that.
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If Diaby and Ramsey put away their gilt edged chances then the penalty becomes a total side issue . We have to be more clinical in front of goal.
We usually are quite clinical, but agreed it shouldn’t have ever come to that.
Trafford is an excellent keeper and the misses were all quite similar, i'm wondering if they were told to get some elevation on the shots
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If Diaby and Ramsey put away their gilt edged chances then the penalty becomes a total side issue . We have to be more clinical in front of goal.
We usually are quite clinical, but agreed it shouldn’t have ever come to that.
Trafford is an excellent keeper and the misses were all quite similar, i'm wondering if they were told to get some elevation on the shots
There’s elevation, then there’s Tonev elevation
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If Diaby and Ramsey put away their gilt edged chances then the penalty becomes a total side issue . We have to be more clinical in front of goal.
We usually are quite clinical, but agreed it shouldn’t have ever come to that.
Trafford is an excellent keeper and the misses were all quite similar, i'm wondering if they were told to get some elevation on the shots
There’s elevation, then there’s Tonev elevation
I commented in the match thread at the time, it was like they were going for “top bins” on every shot. Just hit it on target!
I blame Xbox.
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If Diaby and Ramsey put away their gilt edged chances then the penalty becomes a total side issue . We have to be more clinical in front of goal.
We usually are quite clinical, but agreed it shouldn’t have ever come to that.
Trafford is an excellent keeper and the misses were all quite similar, i'm wondering if they were told to get some elevation on the shots
There’s elevation, then there’s Tonev elevation
NASA studied Tonev's shots as potentially cost effective way to launch satellites.
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The Burnley lot don't seem to rate Aaron Ramsey at all from the match thread on there forum. Apparantly responsible for a few they've conceded this season.
I've only seen them play twice, so have no idea how he's doing.
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If Diaby and Ramsey put away their gilt edged chances then the penalty becomes a total side issue . We have to be more clinical in front of goal.
We usually are quite clinical, but agreed it shouldn’t have ever come to that.
Trafford is an excellent keeper and the misses were all quite similar, i'm wondering if they were told to get some elevation on the shots
There’s elevation, then there’s Tonev elevation
True. SJM fizzed one in along the deck but Trafford made a great save for that .
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Have to say, I find VAR frustrating and the application of it infuriating, but I do think people forget just how fucking gutting it used to be to lose to offside goals, when unbelievably obvious fouls would be ignored because the referee's decision is final, just how much scope it gave to starfucker refs to suck up to the Big Teams with their bias and favouritism. It's a million miles from perfect, but I never want to go back to that
Agree.
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Arsenal not looking that good.....come on Fulham!
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Carlos and Lenglet partnership is a concern, though the penalty was not a stonewaller, it was a thoroughly deserved win, the biggest plus for me is Leon, at last he is now fulfilling his potential.
A stat I read that surprised me was this was our first double over Burnley in the league since 1925-26 season.
That’s a pretty meaningless stat though isn’t it? How many of those 98 seasons were we actually in the same division?
Thirty-odd from a quick adding up, and it's 91, not 98.
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The Burnley lot don't seem to rate Aaron Ramsey at all from the match thread on there forum. Apparantly responsible for a few they've conceded this season.
I've only seen them play twice, so have no idea how he's doing.
He's barely played for them. Think he was injured for a bit as well.
30 minutes against us was the most he's played since he played 66 minutes against Newcastle at the end of September.
He's played 287 minutes, which is an average of 14 minutes per game. But he's only played in 10 games. So 28 mins on average per game played. Not really enough to male a judgment, I'd day.
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let’s have him back on loan please
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let’s have him back on loan please
I can't say I've seen much from him to think he'd be beneficial to us at this stage. I think it probably wasn't the right move for him, but assuming they go down this year, he'll probably get a lot more game time there next season.
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I'm not sure a player that's struggling to get into a shit Burnley side is what we're missing from our squad.
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Yes i know , I just like the idea of all the Ramseys playing for us one day
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It's a pen. You don't have to clatter a player for it to be a foul. Their player was dumb as fuck to do that shirt pull while on a yellow. The only wrong decision was the handball, which was outside the box. I assume it would have been a yellow and a good free kick chance for them. Although a red appearing wouldn't shock me these days.
The contact was minimal, Duran earns the penalty. It has happened against us many times. I am grateful but it doesn’t make it right.
Duran goes down and does a richard Burton which wins the pen . I'd be annoyed if it's against us but it's a pen
The refs have told everyone you need to go down to win the pen, it stops play and forces the decision. I don’t like the play acting either but that’s the modern way I guess.
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Who's Susan
Someone who needs to beware of the Devil. Although pedants might say it was Suzanne*
* One for the real old 'uns.
Nice one, Dave.
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What was going on with JJ shoving their player all over the box after the penalty was awarded, and getting booked for it?
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What was going on with JJ shoving their player all over the box after the penalty was awarded, and getting booked for it?
I don't know. But Jacob was well angry. Having watched the game back this morning it looked like their 14 Connor Roberts (who seemed to have been subbed on purely to cause trouble and get it back to 10 a side like Brentford were so keen on a few weeks ago) was having a go at Aaron for giving away the pen and Jacob was defending him. May be wrong but it looked that way.
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That's what I thought aswell, it looked like Roberts bollocked Ramsey Jr for conceeding the penalty and JJ took exception to it. Wonder if that type of thing has ever happened before.
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What was going on with JJ shoving their player all over the box after the penalty was awarded, and getting booked for it?
one of their players was having a go at Aaron for giving the pen away so his big bro stepped in
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Of all the things to get booked for, FFS. We need to cut out absolutely pointless bookings like that.
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Martinez booked again too, he must be closing in on a suspension
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Of all the things to get booked for, FFS. We need to cut out absolutely pointless bookings like that.
Given he's missed most of the season so far, I'd imagine he's fine in terms of a suspension for bookings.
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Martinez booked again too, he must be closing in on a suspension
I thought it moved up to 10 yellows after 19 games, but the suspension is two games instead of one ?
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Of all the things to get booked for, FFS. We need to cut out absolutely pointless bookings like that.
Given he's missed most of the season so far, I'd imagine he's fine in terms of a suspension for bookings.
Yep I get that, but as it happened we still had 12 minutes left to play and JJ was on a yellow because of it. Another yellow for a slightly mistimed challenge or whatever and it's another player missing that we can ill afford.
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The 'funny' thing about the Martinez one is he took the kick a hell of alot quicker than Trafford did at 2-2.
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Martinez booked again too, he must be closing in on a suspension
Nowhere near. Four bookings now, so as long as he doesn't get another 6 for the rest of the season he'll be fine. The 5 bookings thing only applies for the first half of the season.
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Martinez booked again too, he must be closing in on a suspension
Nowhere near. Four bookings now, so as long as he doesn't get another 6 for the rest of the season he'll be fine. The 5 bookings thing only applies for the first half of the season.
I get the distinct impression that Martinez will get to 9 bookings by the last game of the season absolutely on purpose. He tends to get one exactly when we need it to waste time.
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I'm so pleased we got the three points.
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The Burnley lot don't seem to rate Aaron Ramsey at all from the match thread on there forum. Apparantly responsible for a few they've conceded this season.
I've only seen them play twice, so have no idea how he's doing.
Met a Burnley STH at the cricket in WI recently who says he liked the look of him in what they've seen. But then he spoilt it by saying that their best ever signing was Westwood. Nowt as queer as folk so they say.
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Martinez booked again too, he must be closing in on a suspension
Nowhere near. Four bookings now, so as long as he doesn't get another 6 for the rest of the season he'll be fine. The 5 bookings thing only applies for the first half of the season.
I get the distinct impression that Martinez will get to 9 bookings by the last game of the season absolutely on purpose. He tends to get one exactly when we need it to waste time.
100%. He bloody loves it.
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VAR needs to have a time limit. If you cannot tell within 30-45 seconds a major error or a clear miss of an infraction has been made by the on pitch officials then go with the original decision.
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The Burnley lot don't seem to rate Aaron Ramsey at all from the match thread on there forum. Apparantly responsible for a few they've conceded this season.
I've only seen them play twice, so have no idea how he's doing.
Met a Burnley STH at the cricket in WI recently who says he liked the look of him in what they've seen. But then he spoilt it by saying that their best ever signing was Westwood. Nowt as queer as folk so they say.
For all the stick Westwood took, he spent ten years as a Premier League regular so for the money they paid, he may well be their best signing.
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They asked me the same? I thought it was odd as obviously I didn’t.
Fucking hell that was hard work. Not just us and not taking our chances but my stream was jumping forwards and backwards through time. I felt like I was in an episode of Lost and Desmond was about to turn up for tea.
UTV and Happy New Year!
So, you weren't at VP?
We must be inferior fans in their eyes.
We must be. I must be extremely inferior, I haven’t been for years.
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The Burnley lot don't seem to rate Aaron Ramsey at all from the match thread on there forum. Apparantly responsible for a few they've conceded this season.
I've only seen them play twice, so have no idea how he's doing.
Met a Burnley STH at the cricket in WI recently who says he liked the look of him in what they've seen. But then he spoilt it by saying that their best ever signing was Westwood. Nowt as queer as folk so they say.
For all the stick Westwood took, he spent ten years as a Premier League regular so for the money they paid, he may well be their best signing.
Yeah can't disagree Dave (like I'd dare haha) but I also can't get Preston away under Di Matteo out of my head.
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Attwell stared at Duran for ages before giving it,
No, no, no. Attwell played advantage, watched what McGinn was going to do and when John turned away from goal instead of shooting (bloody clever) he confirmed his decision that it was a pen. Watched it, like you, from Witton End upper centre.
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Martinez has until the 32nd game to get to 9, he should piss that. And then he's got the final 6 games of the season to rack up yet another 5 without sanction.
I see a lot of angry opposition players and fans in our future.
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They asked me the same? I thought it was odd as obviously I didn’t.
Fucking hell that was hard work. Not just us and not taking our chances but my stream was jumping forwards and backwards through time. I felt like I was in an episode of Lost and Desmond was about to turn up for tea.
UTV and Happy New Year!
So, you weren't at VP?
We must be inferior fans in their eyes.
We must be. I must be extremely inferior, I haven’t been for years.
Yes you are and you both MUST attend at McGregor statue tomorrow morning and seek forgiveness.
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let’s have him back on loan please
Maaaate, get a grip. I hope the boy succeeds but he's not for us.
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Ha ha! But fucking hell, I’ll get lost in Birmingham, it’s been that long.
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Of all the things to get booked for, FFS. We need to cut out absolutely pointless bookings like that.
I know you are right on this, but part of me admires the fact he stuck up for his bro.
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What was going on with JJ shoving their player all over the box after the penalty was awarded, and getting booked for it?
The twats were trying to rough up the spot. The player JJ pushed was the main culprit but we needn't have worried as the McGinn-Arse line was developed to protect the spot.
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Martinez booked again too, he must be closing in on a suspension
Nowhere near. Four bookings now, so as long as he doesn't get another 6 for the rest of the season he'll be fine. The 5 bookings thing only applies for the first half of the season.
I get the distinct impression that Martinez will get to 9 bookings by the last game of the season absolutely on purpose. He tends to get one exactly when we need it to waste time.
100%. He bloody loves it.
I actually thought Martinez’ booking yesterday was harsh. It really didn’t feel like he was stretching out that goal kick. I honestly think refs have targeted him and like the idea of booking a World Cup winner as a badge of honour. He very evidently does take the piss when needed, but not yesterday for me.
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What was going on with JJ shoving their player all over the box after the penalty was awarded, and getting booked for it?
The twats were trying to rough up the spot. The player JJ pushed was the main culprit but we needn't have worried as the McGinn-Arse line was developed to protect the spot.
I like that tactic of another player grabbing the ball and protecting the spot. Ashley Young did it v Brentford last season and attracted all their shithousery, allowing Ings to take the penalty unruffled.
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The Burnley lot don't seem to rate Aaron Ramsey at all from the match thread on there forum. Apparantly responsible for a few they've conceded this season.
I've only seen them play twice, so have no idea how he's doing.
Met a Burnley STH at the cricket in WI recently who says he liked the look of him in what they've seen. But then he spoilt it by saying that their best ever signing was Westwood. Nowt as queer as folk so they say.
For all the stick Westwood took, he spent ten years as a Premier League regular so for the money they paid, he may well be their best signing.
and was one of the very few if any to show any emotion when we got relegated at Old Trafford
I know it’s only a trivial little thing but it still means something to me
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The Burnley lot don't seem to rate Aaron Ramsey at all from the match thread on there forum. Apparantly responsible for a few they've conceded this season.
I've only seen them play twice, so have no idea how he's doing.
Met a Burnley STH at the cricket in WI recently who says he liked the look of him in what they've seen. But then he spoilt it by saying that their best ever signing was Westwood. Nowt as queer as folk so they say.
For all the stick Westwood took, he spent ten years as a Premier League regular so for the money they paid, he may well be their best signing.
and was one of the very few if any to show any emotion when we got relegated at Old Trafford
I know it’s only a trivial little thing but it still means something to me
Limited player but always seemed a good sort amongst a shower of chancers to me.
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What was going on with JJ shoving their player all over the box after the penalty was awarded, and getting booked for it?
one of their players was having a go at Aaron for giving the pen away so his big bro stepped in
No nothing like that. It was about roughing up the spot. In any case JJ has no right to do what you said on the pitch. It would be unprofessional. His brother and the chap involved are teammates so teammates can have a go at each other and they should.
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What was going on with JJ shoving their player all over the box after the penalty was awarded, and getting booked for it?
one of their players was having a go at Aaron for giving the pen away so his big bro stepped in
No nothing like that. It was about roughing up the spot. In any case JJ has no right to do what you said on the pitch. It would be unprofessional. His brother and the chap involved are teammates so teammates can have a go at each other and they should.
Also, if it had been what happened, it wouldn't do Aaron any favours, having his big brother fight his battles for him.
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What was going on with JJ shoving their player all over the box after the penalty was awarded, and getting booked for it?
one of their players was having a go at Aaron for giving the pen away so his big bro stepped in
No nothing like that. It was about roughing up the spot. In any case JJ has no right to do what you said on the pitch. It would be unprofessional. His brother and the chap involved are teammates so teammates can have a go at each other and they should.
Also, if it had been what happened, it wouldn't do Aaron any favours, having his big brother fight his battles for him.
but that is what happened though. Nothing to do with the pen spot.
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On Lyle Foster, this is from early November
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Thanks for posting. Sounds like he's had a bit of a bad time of it so far. Hope he can get the support he needs.
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I thought Foster was excellent.
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but that is what happened though. Nothing to do with the pen spot.
If you have any actual evidence feel free to post it on here.
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strange that the betting has us at 25 to one for the premiership yet odds on for top four, Arsnal at about 7 to one for top spot. Crazy.
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strange that the betting has us at 25 to one for the premiership yet odds on for top four, Arsnal at about 7 to one for top spot. Crazy.
Betting odds are based on calculations not craziness.
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VAR needs to have a time limit. If you cannot tell within 30-45 seconds a major error or a clear miss of an infraction has been made by the on pitch officials then go with the original decision.
That’s my thoughts exactly. 30 seconds and if they can’t decide then it’s obviously not a “clear and obvious” mistake. On the penalty, I thought it was, my son thought it wasn’t which pretty much mirrors the points on this thread and highlights the refereeing consistency argument. One will give it, on another day, one won’t.
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I haven't seen footage of the Burnley 'goal' that was disallowed for offside in the first half. At the game I thought the scorer looked yards offside, so was surprised that VAR took ages over it. Was this actually a close one?
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I recall that the line they drew showed a Burnley player's boot a few centimetres in front of a Villa player's boot, so it was fairly close but 'they' drew the lines correctly and made the right décision in this instance.
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I haven't seen footage of the Burnley 'goal' that was disallowed for offside in the first half. At the game I thought the scorer looked yards offside, so was surprised that VAR took ages over it. Was this actually a close one?
A lot closer than I thought at the time.
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I haven't seen footage of the Burnley 'goal' that was disallowed for offside in the first half. At the game I thought the scorer looked yards offside, so was surprised that VAR took ages over it. Was this actually a close one?
A lot closer than I thought at the time.
Yeah, it was extremely tight.
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And only just in our half when the ball was played.
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I haven't seen footage of the Burnley 'goal' that was disallowed for offside in the first half. At the game I thought the scorer looked yards offside, so was surprised that VAR took ages over it. Was this actually a close one?
Same here, in real time he looked yards and yards offside and I was amazed it was taking so long. On the replay, incredibly tight.
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Ramsey and/or Diaby score and we probably run up another 5 or 6 1 score. Two shockers in truth but good to see Ramsey getting on the end of a chance again. How did he play?
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Ramsey and/or Diaby score and we probably run up another 5 or 6 1 score. Two shockers in truth but good to see Ramsey getting on the end of a chance again. How did he play?
I thought he grew into the game second half, stretching his legs and getting involved.
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I haven't seen footage of the Burnley 'goal' that was disallowed for offside in the first half. At the game I thought the scorer looked yards offside, so was surprised that VAR took ages over it. Was this actually a close one?
Same here, in real time he looked yards and yards offside and I was amazed it was taking so long. On the replay, incredibly tight.
Absolutely thought the same thing. Which is what makes VAR useful, except then the lines have to be drawn etc and it becomes tedious and boring.
With such fine margins, you think the benefit of the doubt should be given; except he was offside so he couldn't be given benefit of the doubt and originally he looked miles off so wouldn't have been reviewed.
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Ramsey and/or Diaby score and we probably run up another 5 or 6 1 score. Two shockers in truth but good to see Ramsey getting on the end of a chance again. How did he play?
I thought he was much improved on previous games, natural as he returns to match fitness. He carried the ball very well through the midfield but touch and final ball still a little off. And less said about the miss the better, although it was a clever dart toward the near post to make it possible.
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Similarly, I was in the Upper Witton in line with Watkins for the Diaby goal and we were all sure he was well offside so didn’t cheer the goal. In fact, he was well on which does show how good linesmen/women generally are. I think VAR will be much speedier when they have the semi-automated off side rather than the line drawing.
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The semi automated offside can't come into the game quick enough.
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What was going on with JJ shoving their player all over the box after the penalty was awarded, and getting booked for it?
The twats were trying to rough up the spot. The player JJ pushed was the main culprit but we needn't have worried as the McGinn-Arse line was developed to protect the spot.
Anybody who gets caught doing that should get an instant red & a three match ban.
And that includes if spotted via video replay after the match.
Cheating c**ts...
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Ramsey and/or Diaby score and we probably run up another 5 or 6 1 score. Two shockers in truth but good to see Ramsey getting on the end of a chance again. How did he play?
I thought he was much improved on previous games, natural as he returns to match fitness. He carried the ball very well through the midfield but touch and final ball still a little off. And less said about the miss the better, although it was a clever dart toward the near post to make it possible.
Oh yes. Both Ramsey and Moreno are getting there and that could be huge for us.
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The twats were trying to rough up the spot. The player JJ pushed was the main culprit but we needn't have worried as the McGinn-Arse line was developed to protect the spot.
Anybody who gets caught doing that should get an instant red & a three match ban.
And that includes if spotted via video replay after the match.
Cheating c**ts...
Agreed, it's shitebag behaviour.
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What was going on with JJ shoving their player all over the box after the penalty was awarded, and getting booked for it?
The twats were trying to rough up the spot. The player JJ pushed was the main culprit but we needn't have worried as the McGinn-Arse line was developed to protect the spot.
Anybody who gets caught doing that should get an instant red & a three match ban.
And that includes if spotted via video replay after the match.
Cheating c**ts...
It all ready exists in the laws that additional marking of the pitch is punishable by means of a yellow card.
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I love Moreno and accept he might be still rusty but he was poor for both thier goals.
Not sure that Emi should be being beaten at near post
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Did anyone see the elbow on SJM in the second half?
On the Villa broadcast, both Mark Regan and Ian Taylor made out that it was both obvious and violent. If so, it's another VAR disgrace that it wasn't picked up.
Taylor had a chuckle when McGinn was booked for a 'revenge' tackle later on.
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Did anyone see the elbow on SJM in the second half?
On the Villa broadcast, both Mark Regan and Ian Taylor made out that it was both obvious and violent. If so, it's another VAR disgrace that it wasn't picked up.
Taylor had a chuckle when McGinn was booked for a 'revenge' tackle later on.
Thought the same.
Need to see it again.
But, one of those things that's a bugger watching it live....I've got into the habit of looking at the screen for a replay, but of course, we don't do that...
They always seem to at Everton!
Why's that?
And no screens at MUFC always suggests to me that they're trying to cover something up!!!
Shock horror!