Aston Villa v Burnley Post Match Thread

[ChicagoLion]

Wes’s firm Fortress definitely had hedge funds. Wasn’t just private equity.

Agreed, he was a partner at BlackRock before he co-founded Fortress which was named "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" in 2014 by Institutional Investor. In this instance, I'd say the term 'hedge fund billionaire' is close enough for the purposes of a quip in a post-match thread.

yes but not accurate.

[Risso]

I thought it was funny when the ref booked Emi for time wasting. He blew as the ball was kicked, so then had to get the ball back to him which took another minute.

[Brazilian Villain]

Wes’s firm Fortress definitely had hedge funds. Wasn’t just private equity.

Agreed, he was a partner at BlackRock before he co-founded Fortress which was named "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" in 2014 by Institutional Investor. In this instance, I'd say the term 'hedge fund billionaire' is close enough for the purposes of a quip in a post-match thread.

yes but not accurate.

I think it is, you don't. Take it up with Institutional Investor.

[ChicagoLion]

Wes’s firm Fortress definitely had hedge funds. Wasn’t just private equity.

Agreed, he was a partner at BlackRock before he co-founded Fortress which was named "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" in 2014 by Institutional Investor. In this instance, I'd say the term 'hedge fund billionaire' is close enough for the purposes of a quip in a post-match thread.

yes but not accurate.

I think it is, you don't. Take it up with Institutional Investor.

I don’t need to.
I know.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

Couldn't agree more CL!
Refs and VAR making up their own interpretations of clear and simple rules have muddied the waters incredibly.
Instead of a two handed push and shirt pulling on Ollie Watkins being deemed no foul we have a grab of a bit of a shirt today being deemed a foul and a yellow card. How the f**k does that happen? The PL Refs' Union only have themselves to blame for the continual shit they get when they dispense such ridiculous inconsistencies!

There was enough on here bemoaning a player not being sent off for this exact foul and reason with the Bournemouth match. However your description of" a bit of a shirt" is probably stretched more then Luiz's jersey did with the grab. It was a deliberate act to stop Luiz from going forward on the attack with no attempt to play a ball and is more certain of yellow cards then other actions these days.

I do want to know why Atwell decided the first foul on JJ wasn't a freekick though but was a booking. After all any advantage was over almost straight away (3 seconds after the incident is when Moreno lost the ball) and we got called back for a "foul" on the keeper 20 seconds after Sheffield United had advantage twice. In the end we got the goal from that period of play directly after but we still had a slight scare with Konsa and Odebert.

I know all that S....I was just making the point of inconsistency and stretching it, as you so eloquently put it.
My overall point, made elsewhere too, is that the inconsistencies of refs don't help anyone, least of all themselves, when it comes to criticism of their decision making/VAR. They are there to apply the laws, no one else is, but they do so in such a varied and subjective way that the law itself is lost amongst all the shit they've chosen to add to it. It's why the Villa/Arse ref's decision to disallow the Haevartz (??) goal was so good.....he applied the law exactly as he should have and didn't include emotion/sympathy/Arteta factor as so many do!
The Bournemouth player's shirt pull was clear....yellow...oh, it's a 2nd yellow, that's a red.....but no, because the player has already been booked the ref invokes the the sympathy card and lets him off. Makes no sense whatsoever!
It should all make sense but doesn't because refs are making their own stuff up as they go along!

[Brazilian Villain]

Wes’s firm Fortress definitely had hedge funds. Wasn’t just private equity.

Agreed, he was a partner at BlackRock before he co-founded Fortress which was named "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" in 2014 by Institutional Investor. In this instance, I'd say the term 'hedge fund billionaire' is close enough for the purposes of a quip in a post-match thread.

yes but not accurate.

I think it is, you don't. Take it up with Institutional Investor.

I don’t need to.
I know.

Oh well, I really was hoping the phrase "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" would have been a slight clue.

[olaftab]

Is this a post match thread or post match discussion? It's just that I would like to know for sake of accuracy!

[Drummond]

Wes’s firm Fortress definitely had hedge funds. Wasn’t just private equity.

Agreed, he was a partner at BlackRock before he co-founded Fortress which was named "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" in 2014 by Institutional Investor. In this instance, I'd say the term 'hedge fund billionaire' is close enough for the purposes of a quip in a post-match thread.

yes but not accurate.

I think it is, you don't. Take it up with Institutional Investor.

I don’t need to.
I know.

Oh well, I really was hoping the phrase "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" would have been a slight clue.

This really has to be the daftest argument I've seen here for a while, and I should know, I'm normally involved in them!

p.s. Duran was kicked, it's a penalty. Whether it was soft or not he was fouled, in the penalty area.

[VillaTim]

Wes’s firm Fortress definitely had hedge funds. Wasn’t just private equity.

Agreed, he was a partner at BlackRock before he co-founded Fortress which was named "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" in 2014 by Institutional Investor. In this instance, I'd say the term 'hedge fund billionaire' is close enough for the purposes of a quip in a post-match thread.

yes but not accurate.

I think it is, you don't. Take it up with Institutional Investor.

I don’t need to.
I know.

Oh well, I really was hoping the phrase "Hedge Fund Manager of the Year" would have been a slight clue.

This really has to be the daftest argument I've seen here for a while, and I should know, I'm normally involved in them!

p.s. Duran was kicked, it's a penalty. Whether it was soft or not he was fouled, in the penalty area.

If that pen was against us i'd be furious . As it was for us it's a stonewall pen and i hope Duran recovers soon from his underfoot injury which looked serious

[wince]

Only positive is that manures revival lasted long…….need to make it easier than we did but hopefully we need this warning and sort stuff out. Win was ugly but a win and is disappointing to only have 4 pts from a 3 game run

[geolex]

Got lucky with the penalty. Even if there was minimal contact, its at the edge of the box and I don't think we win that without the gimme of a pen.

Luiz did his best to miss it too.

he's level with the penalty spot ....hardly edge of the box

[geolex]

Saw penalty given and still have no idea why it wouldn't have been given.

Duran nicks it away from Ramsey Jr who kicks his foot thereby preventing him from continuing to control the ball. It was in the area.

Can anyone help why this was controversial because I can't see it.

Because there was virtually no contact and the contact did not prevent Duran playing the ball. If that was given against us we would be seething.

so there was contact

[IFWaters]

Really think we need to use the squad in the FA Cup, there are only 2 prem games in Jan and it would give a lot of injured players time to recover.
For the Boro game I would go :

Emi
Cash if fit Carlos Lenglet Moreno
JJ Kamara Donk
Diaby Duran Zaniolo

Strong bench if needed
That team really should be good enough to beat an ordinary championship side.

[Monty]

One thing - it hasn't made me chirpier admit the Everton and Newcastle games! Those will be proper strife I fear.

[ian c.]

The replay clearly shows there's contact so it's a penalty.