Post by: Clampy on October 22, 2023, 10:53:59 AM
Post by: olaftab on October 22, 2023, 12:01:52 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 22, 2023, 12:08:36 PM
FFS, we haven’t shut down the summer one yet! Anyway Davide Calabria from Milan as right back upgrade.
He's been linked but his destination's unknown.
Post by: pablo_picasso on October 22, 2023, 12:34:38 PM
Some French media outlet linking us with Carlos Soler from PSG, according to the BBC Gossip page.
PSG fans reckon he is bang average at best...
Post by: Steve67 on October 22, 2023, 12:41:24 PM
Post by: Baldy on October 22, 2023, 12:49:00 PM
We could consider a cheeky 25 million bid, but truth is, we don't need him. Unless, Zaniolo gets banned or Buendia takes ages to fully recover.
Post by: LeeB on October 22, 2023, 01:18:53 PM
Post by: nigel on October 22, 2023, 06:27:43 PM
Nah, his dad is a bellend
What’s he been up to?
Post by: nigel on October 22, 2023, 06:31:35 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on October 22, 2023, 06:34:10 PM
Post by: Smirker on October 22, 2023, 06:34:47 PM
Nah, his dad is a bellend
What’s he been up to?
Moaning cos he doesn't get a good reception at Villa any more.
Fuck him.
Post by: algy on October 22, 2023, 06:48:12 PM
Very good :)FFS, we haven’t shut down the summer one yet! Anyway Davide Calabria from Milan as right back upgrade.
He's been linked but his destination's unknown.
Post by: brontebilly on October 22, 2023, 07:00:21 PM
Nah, his dad is a bellend
What’s he been up to?
Moaning cos he doesn't get a good reception at Villa any more.
Fuck him.
Does he still do a bit of plastering?
Post by: danno on October 22, 2023, 07:01:13 PM
Nah, his dad is a bellend
What’s he been up to?
Moaning cos he doesn't get a good reception at Villa any more.
Fuck him.
Does he still do a bit of plastering?
Only to himself, whilst wearing full kit.
Post by: Smirker on October 22, 2023, 07:14:21 PM
FFS, we haven’t shut down the summer one yet! Anyway Davide Calabria from Milan as right back upgrade.
He's been linked but his destination's unknown.
Nice 8)
Post by: Rigadon on October 23, 2023, 02:29:20 PM
Post by: AV84 on October 23, 2023, 02:42:44 PM
Post by: Risso on October 23, 2023, 02:51:13 PM
Post by: Smithy on October 23, 2023, 03:00:09 PM
There's absolutely no chance whatsoever of anybody leaving in January who we're not happy to let go. Quite the opposite, I'd hope that if Emery needs a couple of decent additions we'd break the bank.
Indeed. Although Diaby was our record signing, it was mostly offset with the sale of youth players, so it does feel like there should be cash there for a marquee signing if Emery wants one, and one is available. Obviously January isn't always great, but there might be teams looking to offload valuable assets if their struggling with FFP or are already out of certain competitions by the new year.
Post by: LeeB on October 23, 2023, 03:03:26 PM
Post by: Risso on October 23, 2023, 03:05:18 PM
And with Monchi settled in and a body of work of the last 12 months to show you'd think there will be a queue of serious players lining up to join.
Agreed Lee. Monchi has already said that the summer wasn't perfect because he joined late, so hopefully he's using every waking minute now to identify potential targets to improve us.
Post by: Drummond on October 23, 2023, 04:19:12 PM
And with Monchi settled in and a body of work of the last 12 months to show you'd think there will be a queue of serious players lining up to join.
Agreed Lee. Monchi has already said that the summer wasn't perfect because he joined late, so hopefully he's using every waking minute now to identify potential targets to improve us.
What's so much better is that we're now buying from a position of strength, not desperation.
And let's face it, whoever we sign is unlikely to be a shoe-in to start given how well the rest are playing.
Post by: eamonn on October 23, 2023, 04:48:53 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 23, 2023, 09:19:21 PM
Whilst I’ve read him confirm this in interviews, it seems odd that he came with nothing, no ideas, no list of players other than those he already knew.
Post by: AV84 on October 23, 2023, 09:30:45 PM
Did Monchi have to leave his database in Seville or does the algorithm need to be re-run based on emery’s tactics and villa’s current squad/needs?
Whilst I’ve read him confirm this in interviews, it seems odd that he came with nothing, no ideas, no list of players other than those he already knew.
I'd assume it would be a combination of things. Monchi might have a list of 50 players and he comes to Villa and sees we've already got a very strong midfield so crosses off 10 players. Then we're still "only" Aston Villa, having to play a qualifying round to secure Europa Conference, so maybe that's 10 more players that just aren't going to sign for us. Then Emery lays out the kind of players he needs and for specific positions or abilities, and that's another 15 gone. Then there's where we stand with FFP, transfer fees, whether a target player actually wants to move, whether other clubs are interested too, etc. etc.
That's maybe a very simple read of it, but I think it's not too hard to believe that he would need a few months to gel his methods and targets with how we actually do business and figuring out how to make it all work together.
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 23, 2023, 10:54:05 PM
What we need to sign dosen't have to be big names but would be great if we could pick up two Moreno experienced players who can come in and hit the ground running after a month.
Too often in the past we've been passive while underachieving sides have gone out and strengthened and then we've scratched our heads wondering why they then win 5-6 in a row.
No more please. We've got the perfect manager in place and Monchi has a further six months to source targets so let's go for it.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 24, 2023, 06:55:33 AM
Did Monchi have to leave his database in Seville or does the algorithm need to be re-run based on emery’s tactics and villa’s current squad/needs?
Whilst I’ve read him confirm this in interviews, it seems odd that he came with nothing, no ideas, no list of players other than those he already knew.
I'd assume it would be a combination of things. Monchi might have a list of 50 players and he comes to Villa and sees we've already got a very strong midfield so crosses off 10 players. Then we're still "only" Aston Villa, having to play a qualifying round to secure Europa Conference, so maybe that's 10 more players that just aren't going to sign for us. Then Emery lays out the kind of players he needs and for specific positions or abilities, and that's another 15 gone. Then there's where we stand with FFP, transfer fees, whether a target player actually wants to move, whether other clubs are interested too, etc. etc.
That's maybe a very simple read of it, but I think it's not too hard to believe that he would need a few months to gel his methods and targets with how we actually do business and figuring out how to make it all work together.
That sounds fair. Not having his database, as reported, seemed ridiculous.
I also find it slightly ironic that we finally have a renowned ‘recruiter’ and we suddenly need less players. Maybe his value will not just be the signings he makes but the sales too (with replacement signed etc) so FFP is never a worry.
Post by: Rigadon on October 24, 2023, 07:14:43 AM
“Arsenal remain interested in trying to sign Brazil midfielder Douglas Luiz, 25, from Aston Villa having previously had several bids rejected. (90min, via BBC)”
It’s nonsense of course, but it goes with the territory when you’re constantly “flying under the radar”. I guarantee no star Spurs players will be linked with moves to other English club in the top 6.
Post by: lovejoy on October 24, 2023, 09:34:54 AM
Post by: garyellis on October 24, 2023, 10:03:45 AM
Post by: Dave on October 24, 2023, 10:05:11 AM
Along with everything else, arent Arsenal full of midfielders already?
It definitely feels like if they were about to throw another £100m at a player, then Luiz should be less of a priority than having more strikers than just Nketiah and Gabriel Jesus.
Post by: AV84 on October 24, 2023, 10:08:15 AM
Along with everything else, arent Arsenal full of midfielders already?
It definitely feels like if they were about to throw another £100m at a player, then Luiz should be less of a priority than having more strikers than just Nketiah and Gabriel Jesus.
They're after Watkins then.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on October 24, 2023, 10:17:43 AM
Post by: Dave on October 24, 2023, 10:23:12 AM
Along with everything else, arent Arsenal full of midfielders already?
It definitely feels like if they were about to throw another £100m at a player, then Luiz should be less of a priority than having more strikers than just Nketiah and Gabriel Jesus.
They're after Watkins then.
I think there are definitely more reasons that they'd try to sign Watkins than try to sign DL.
Obviously I don't think they'll sign either.
Post by: LeeB on October 24, 2023, 10:32:32 AM
Post by: cdward on October 24, 2023, 10:34:34 AM
If so, it must be £100m at least
Post by: LeeB on October 24, 2023, 10:39:13 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 24, 2023, 10:55:19 AM
Also a specialist right back to compete with Cash, as good as he is he's the only one we have.
Otherwise nothing really for Jan.
Post by: john e on October 24, 2023, 11:21:21 AM
Hopefully that might be changing and players will want to come to Villa to win things
Post by: Drummond on October 24, 2023, 11:57:51 AM
We have a top set-up now, and are likely to be far more attractive to players, I think Emery can do the business with whoever though, and that all bodes well.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on October 24, 2023, 12:34:18 PM
Post by: Drummond on October 24, 2023, 12:37:02 PM
We are heavily interested in Molina from Madrid
Maybe a swap is in the offing, weren't Atletico interested in Cash before they bought him?
Post by: AV84 on October 24, 2023, 12:53:11 PM
We are heavily interested in Molina from Madrid
Maybe a swap is in the offing, weren't Atletico interested in Cash before they bought him?
Would seem kind of pointless on our end, given we really need 2 people in that position.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 24, 2023, 12:53:35 PM
Post by: OCD on October 24, 2023, 01:09:01 PM
Post by: paul_e on October 24, 2023, 01:21:46 PM
Post by: john e on October 24, 2023, 01:23:03 PM
Molina would be a superb signing.
Is he good then?
Post by: Drummond on October 24, 2023, 01:24:38 PM
Molina would be a superb signing.
Is he good then?
No but his signature is super-stylish.
Post by: brontebilly on October 24, 2023, 01:26:57 PM
Emery has a weak spot for Olsen I fear so won't be expecting a new keeper.
Post by: paul_e on October 24, 2023, 01:40:02 PM
Molina would be a superb signing.
Is he good then?
First choice right back for Argentina for both the Copa America and the World Cup wins. At club level he has a great record of goals and assists everywhere he's been and looks defensively solid as well.
Vid:
Post by: LeeB on October 24, 2023, 03:29:26 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on October 24, 2023, 03:54:24 PM
Could see a Moreno type signing at RB and could still see Digne departing if Moreno recovers and someone else comes in (seen some links to Acuna again in the media). Duran has probably done enough at this point for us not to need to splash money on a back-up to Watkins.
Not sure there would be a need for much else if we don't get too many more injuries.
Post by: AV84 on October 24, 2023, 04:08:58 PM
If Moreno can get back soon and be fully fit, I think we're OK with him and Digne in that position. But we definitely need another RB to support/challenge Cash. Rest of defence is probably fine.
Midfield, again Ramsey needs to come back and stay fit, and if Tielemans could up his game before January we'd probably even be OK in midfield.
I'm still not 100% sold on Durán. I'm not sure there's anything to these rumours, but even if there's not, I wouldn't mind someone else there as backup to Ollie. It would require some good scouting and probably involve taking a risk on someone youngish and unknownish, so it might not happen.
But honestly, in terms of absolute priority, I would think RB is the only one I'd be disappointed to see us not signing in January. Anyone else is a bonus.
Post by: brontebilly on October 24, 2023, 04:20:06 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 24, 2023, 04:24:44 PM
Think the Donk will move on. Wouldn't be overly surprised if Carlos did either if we could get in a younger and quicker replacement. Not overly convinced Carlos has it in him to play 90min regularly.
Maybe the Donk but I don't think they'd ship out Carlos until the summer.
Post by: OCD on October 24, 2023, 08:43:32 PM
Post by: eamonn on October 24, 2023, 08:56:04 PM
Post by: AV84 on October 24, 2023, 08:57:22 PM
Weren't we after ARG's other RB in the summer before it fell through - Acuña ("El Huevo" - The Egg. He actually looks more like a squashed spud).
I thought he was a LB and it falling through was why Digne didn't leave.
Post by: DrGonzo on October 24, 2023, 09:21:51 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 24, 2023, 09:25:44 PM
This is probably going to be unpopular but...Rashford would be a great signing.
Nay, nay and thrice nay!
Post by: DrGonzo on October 24, 2023, 09:58:22 PM
Post by: OCD on October 24, 2023, 10:10:37 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 24, 2023, 10:14:09 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 24, 2023, 10:29:19 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 24, 2023, 10:40:08 PM
This is probably going to be unpopular but...Rashford would be a great signing. His direct running would be scary alongside Watto and Diaby
Would not want that big nosed cnut anywhere near us.
Post by: john e on October 24, 2023, 11:14:29 PM
This is probably going to be unpopular but...Rashford would be a great signing. His direct running would be scary alongside Watto and Diaby
Would not want that big nosed cnut anywhere near us.
Bit harsh
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 24, 2023, 11:22:46 PM
Post by: AV84 on October 24, 2023, 11:23:00 PM
Birmingham Live says we're tracking Geny Catamo, a 22 year old winger at Sporting Lisbon.
Also apparently interested in Brahim Diaz from Real Madrid.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 25, 2023, 12:42:54 AM
Birmingham Live says we're tracking Geny Catamo, a 22 year old winger at Sporting Lisbon.
Spent time on loan at Vitória before going on loan to Maritimo this season. Sounds like one for the future but over to RCF for the scouting report.
Post by: IFWaters on October 25, 2023, 06:14:59 AM
Still feel our second string goalie and forward aren't up to standard for where we want to be going.
Otherwise I think it will be who we can get to improve the squad. But we're clearly not shopping in the middle of Lidl any more.
Post by: taylorsworkrate on October 25, 2023, 07:49:33 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 25, 2023, 07:59:32 AM
I think the midfielder they signed from Bristol City has mostly been injured too.
Post by: Mister E on October 25, 2023, 08:04:04 AM
Dodged a bullet with Tyler Adams - a player I’d have liked - he needs another operation and is out for 4 months. That’s a disaster for a club the size of Bournemouth.Nah, Scott's been spending too much time at the Beeb.
I think the midfielder they signed from Bristol City has mostly been injured too.
Post by: OCD on October 25, 2023, 05:12:35 PM
We are heavily interested in Molina from Madrid
Interesting to see this article today after Vinnie's post.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 25, 2023, 06:46:38 PM
Birmingham Live says we're tracking Geny Catamo, a 22 year old winger at Sporting Lisbon.
Spent time on loan at Vitória before going on loan to Maritimo this season. Sounds like one for the future but over to RCF for the scouting report.
Ha! Not much to add. He's only just breaking into the Sporting side so I've not seen much of him until now. Sporting only own I think 25% of his rights and were offering £1m for the remaining 75% which was turned down. He's 22 but has had to progress the hard way until now. Sporting is ideal for him and Amorim is showing faith in him whilst at the same time protecting him. The lad seems to have his head firmly planted on his shoulders, no show pony drama with him. He can play on the right wing but for Mozambique he plays more inside as a 10.
I read several articles regarding his contract, some say until 2025 others 2028. It's a good sign if true that we're looking at him (as are Fulham), maybe as a deputy to Diaby and I'll certainly be keeping an eye on him from now on.
Post by: AV84 on October 25, 2023, 07:13:49 PM
He can play on the right wing but for Mozambique he plays more inside as a 10.
Is he a regular at international level, do you know? Just wondering about the logistics of signing a player who could be at AFCON for part of Jan/Feb.
I suppose if it's a position we're looking to add depth to, rather than desperately needing cover for, it wouldn't be a problem.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on October 25, 2023, 07:30:29 PM
This is probably going to be unpopular but...Rashford would be a great signing.
Nay, nay and thrice nay!
He is a very good player, would be a great signing. Not seen any links though, and can't see them selling him.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 25, 2023, 07:53:47 PM
This is probably going to be unpopular but...Rashford would be a great signing. His direct running would be scary alongside Watto and Diaby
Would not want that big nosed cnut anywhere near us.
Bit harsh
Very weird. He’s a good player as well.
Post by: paul_e on October 25, 2023, 07:54:42 PM
This is probably going to be unpopular but...Rashford would be a great signing.
Nay, nay and thrice nay!
He is a very good player, would be a great signing. Not seen any links though, and can't see them selling him.
I reckon last season 'saved' him with them. Another poor or average season and he'd have bene sold in the summer and I think we'd have bene high on the list of options for him.
That said he's a great player but I don't think he's the right fit for this team because I think him and Watkins would get in each others way. Ramsey and to a lesser extent Zaniolo work in that position because they don't want to be running into the same channel as Watkins so he can still targets his runs at the outside of the right centre back, Rashford would be aiming at the same gap (but coming in rather than drifting wider).
Post by: Monty on October 25, 2023, 07:55:12 PM
Post by: paul_e on October 25, 2023, 07:58:01 PM
Hate for Rashford, of all people, is something I cannot even begin to fathom.
Agreed, as a person I'd put him right up there with Mings as exactly the sort you want representing the club.
Post by: DrGonzo on October 25, 2023, 08:01:06 PM
Hate for Rashford, of all people, is something I cannot even begin to fathom.
Agreed, as a person I'd put him right up there with Mings as exactly the sort you want representing the club.
Indeed. Still I knew which pot I was stirring when I first posted XD
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 25, 2023, 08:07:34 PM
Hate for Rashford, of all people, is something I cannot even begin to fathom.
Hate? People just don't think he'd be a good signing, and that's before you consider he's on £325k a week.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on October 25, 2023, 08:09:22 PM
Id say referring to him as a big nosed ****** has very little to do with his potential as a signing and is heading towards hate.Hate for Rashford, of all people, is something I cannot even begin to fathom.
Hate? People just don't think he'd be a good signing, and that's before you consider he's on £325k a week.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 25, 2023, 08:11:44 PM
Hate for Rashford, of all people, is something I cannot even begin to fathom.
Hate? People just don't think he'd be a good signing, and that's before you consider he's on £325k a week.
Id say referring to him as a big nosed ****** has very little to do with his potential as a signing and is heading towards hate.
I'd say you're missing the Watto typo/reference.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on October 25, 2023, 08:25:00 PM
Hate for Rashford, of all people, is something I cannot even begin to fathom.
Hate? People just don't think he'd be a good signing, and that's before you consider he's on £325k a week.
Id say referring to him as a big nosed ****** has very little to do with his potential as a signing and is heading towards hate.
I'd say you're missing the Watto typo/reference.
Given i haven't got a clue who / what Watto is I probably am.
Post by: Smithy on October 25, 2023, 08:48:45 PM
I'd imagine if we get some champions league football under our belts we might eventually look at paying someone something close to a wage like that, but not any time soon.
Post by: DrGonzo on October 25, 2023, 09:58:22 PM
Hate for Rashford, of all people, is something I cannot even begin to fathom.
Hate? People just don't think he'd be a good signing, and that's before you consider he's on £325k a week.
Id say referring to him as a big nosed ****** has very little to do with his potential as a signing and is heading towards hate.
I'd say you're missing the Watto typo/reference.
I suggest that refering to anybody as a big nosed whatever is, regardless of any other reference, a personal attack.
Post by: paul_e on October 25, 2023, 10:05:21 PM
Post by: AV84 on October 27, 2023, 10:12:37 AM
We have the options in midfield, and can cope in the centre of defence, but without Cash and Digne, we have zero options. Obviously Moreno should be counted there eventually, but an improvement, or at the very leasrt someone equal to Cash should be the first priority in January.
Post by: OCD on October 27, 2023, 11:08:03 AM
Post by: AV84 on October 27, 2023, 11:14:09 AM
Right back has been an obvious position since we let Ash go and it sounds like we've identified Molina. Partly because we like him as a player and partly out of opportunism because he's got a release clause of £26m and a valuation of 50m Euro's on Transfermarkt.
Yeah, it's been obvious, but I just mean that it seems as if Emery has played around with various line ups in the European and Carabao Cup games, and from all the possible combinations of players we've used, Cash is literally the only one that you'd feel comfortable with there.
I still think we might add to other positions, but after 15 games across 3 competitions, there's zero doubt in my mind that RB is Cash only. The drop off there is huge compared to everywhere else.
I hope Monchi has a deal done and dusted before the window even opens.
Post by: DrGonzo on October 27, 2023, 10:18:51 PM
Post by: Ian. on October 27, 2023, 10:20:28 PM
Post by: AV84 on October 27, 2023, 10:35:01 PM
I think Barry may be out for some time.
Gareth Barry would be a better option than Louie at the moment, unfortunately
Post by: AV84 on October 27, 2023, 11:45:59 PM
Tammy Abraham being linked again, and Arsenal apparently are going to with til the summer to sign Dougie.
Post by: tomd2103 on October 28, 2023, 01:30:40 AM
Right back has been an obvious position since we let Ash go and it sounds like we've identified Molina. Partly because we like him as a player and partly out of opportunism because he's got a release clause of £26m and a valuation of 50m Euro's on Transfermarkt.
Yeah, it's been obvious, but I just mean that it seems as if Emery has played around with various line ups in the European and Carabao Cup games, and from all the possible combinations of players we've used, Cash is literally the only one that you'd feel comfortable with there.
I still think we might add to other positions, but after 15 games across 3 competitions, there's zero doubt in my mind that RB is Cash only. The drop off there is huge compared to everywhere else.
I hope Monchi has a deal done and dusted before the window even opens.
I do.wonder if Konsa was lined up.as back up at RB this season with another one of the CBs slotting in, but his performances at CB this season have elevated him to one who can't now be risked.
Post by: Axl Rose on October 28, 2023, 04:52:09 AM
I think Barry may be out for some time.
That's a massive shame. He was doing so well.
Post by: Astnor on October 28, 2023, 10:43:55 AM
I dont share this opinion and have to state it for my own good (I dont feel comfortable with him there at all).Right back has been an obvious position since we let Ash go and it sounds like we've identified Molina. Partly because we like him as a player and partly out of opportunism because he's got a release clause of £26m and a valuation of 50m Euro's on Transfermarkt.
Yeah, it's been obvious, but I just mean that it seems as if Emery has played around with various line ups in the European and Carabao Cup games, and from all the possible combinations of players we've used, Cash is literally the only one that you'd feel comfortable with there.
I still think we might add to other positions, but after 15 games across 3 competitions, there's zero doubt in my mind that RB is Cash only. The drop off there is huge compared to everywhere else.
I hope Monchi has a deal done and dusted before the window even opens.
Post by: AV84 on October 28, 2023, 10:52:25 AM
I dont share this opinion and have to state it for my own good (I dont feel comfortable with him there at all).
OK, cool, we'll drop him and play Chambers instead.
Post by: Gareth on October 28, 2023, 11:23:36 AM
I dont share this opinion and have to state it for my own good (I dont feel comfortable with him there at all).Right back has been an obvious position since we let Ash go and it sounds like we've identified Molina. Partly because we like him as a player and partly out of opportunism because he's got a release clause of £26m and a valuation of 50m Euro's on Transfermarkt.
Yeah, it's been obvious, but I just mean that it seems as if Emery has played around with various line ups in the European and Carabao Cup games, and from all the possible combinations of players we've used, Cash is literally the only one that you'd feel comfortable with there.
I still think we might add to other positions, but after 15 games across 3 competitions, there's zero doubt in my mind that RB is Cash only. The drop off there is huge compared to everywhere else.
I hope Monchi has a deal done and dusted before the window even opens.
He can definitely be improved upon as a player on the ball in Jan/summer but he is playing well and we have no one in the squad anywhere near his capabilities to play that position
Post by: Steve67 on October 28, 2023, 11:51:58 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on October 28, 2023, 11:52:18 AM
We're in the BBC gossip page almost every night now. Still all BS but we're obviously clickbait material now!
Tammy Abraham being linked again, and Arsenal apparently are going to with til the summer to sign Dougie.
They will be waiting a lot longer than the summer...
Post by: OCD on October 28, 2023, 12:26:42 PM
Do we know when Tammy is due back from injury?
From the timescale from a typical ACL, it could be any time from December.
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 28, 2023, 12:51:18 PM
Post by: maidstonevillain on October 28, 2023, 01:07:13 PM
I think Barry may be out for some time.
That's a massive shame. He was doing so well.
He had found his level perhaps.
Post by: AV84 on October 28, 2023, 01:17:24 PM
This story says he will look to leave Roma if Mourinho leaves at the end of the season. Chelsea, Brentford, and ourselves have been alerted to this.
Post by: pablo_picasso on October 28, 2023, 01:27:16 PM
I think Barry may be out for some time.
That's a massive shame. He was doing so well.
He had found his level perhaps.
He has filled out a little, so was able to cope better with the physical side of the game...
Before that, he looked & played like a little boy against men...
Hopefully his injury heals quickly & he can get back to proving me wrong about his future...
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 28, 2023, 02:34:55 PM
Post by: AV84 on October 28, 2023, 02:36:35 PM
Bryan Mbeumo would be a great signing.
We could sing the Brian Boitano song from South Park at him!
Post by: OCD on October 28, 2023, 03:12:02 PM
The Tammy thing is interesting when you think of the story from the summer that we'd already agreed a deal for him before he got injured. Some believe that's why we didn't sign a striker even when we let Archer go. We'd go back in for him in January.
This story says he will look to leave Roma if Mourinho leaves at the end of the season. Chelsea, Brentford, and ourselves have been alerted to this.
Yeah, interesting to see if anything happens with it for that reason. He's certainly a marmite player but Emery's good at identifying players and then his coaching team always seem to make players better, given time.
Post by: AV84 on October 28, 2023, 03:20:18 PM
The Tammy thing is interesting when you think of the story from the summer that we'd already agreed a deal for him before he got injured. Some believe that's why we didn't sign a striker even when we let Archer go. We'd go back in for him in January.
This story says he will look to leave Roma if Mourinho leaves at the end of the season. Chelsea, Brentford, and ourselves have been alerted to this.
Yeah, interesting to see if anything happens with it for that reason. He's certainly a marmite player but Emery's good at identifying players and then his coaching team always seem to make players better, given time.
I think a lot will depend on how the Conference plays out for us. Assuming we still have extra games to play, I think Abraham would be a great addition. Especially under Emery and with the attacking play we're now seeing. I don't think Durán is reliable enough to be our only other striker yet, and at only 19, another year of slower development won't hurt him.
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Post by: LeeB on October 28, 2023, 03:57:41 PM
Would anyone be hankering after Abraham if he hadn't done well for us in the Championship? Hourihane did well for us in the Championship, as did Kodjia and Snodgrass.
Probably not. I don't see us being I for him at all myself.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 28, 2023, 03:58:04 PM
Post by: Clampy on October 28, 2023, 03:58:38 PM
Would anyone be hankering after Abraham if he hadn't done well for us in the Championship? Hourihane did well for us in the Championship, as did Kodjia and Snodgrass.
He has scored elsewhere though, not just in the Championship.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 28, 2023, 04:02:12 PM
Would anyone be hankering after Abraham if he hadn't done well for us in the Championship? Hourihane did well for us in the Championship, as did Kodjia and Snodgrass.
Totally agree on this.
Post by: Risso on October 28, 2023, 04:03:34 PM
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Post by: AV84 on October 28, 2023, 04:07:08 PM
Would anyone be hankering after Abraham if he hadn't done well for us in the Championship? Hourihane did well for us in the Championship, as did Kodjia and Snodgrass.
If Kodjia and Snodgrass moved to Roma and scored 25 goals, after scoring 21 for Chelsea, I'd probably hanker after them too.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 28, 2023, 04:31:58 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on October 28, 2023, 04:54:16 PM
£25.6 million was the fee that we apparently agreed before the injury.
Which is peanuts in today’s world for an experienced striker with decent domestic, European and some international credentials.
Post by: AV84 on October 28, 2023, 04:55:29 PM
£25.6 million was the fee that we apparently agreed before the injury.
Which is peanuts in today’s world for an experienced striker with decent domestic, European and some international credentials.
We could probably knock a bit off that now too, considering he hasn't played all season.
Post by: OCD on October 28, 2023, 05:22:52 PM
On the subject of bringing Philogene back...
We've been linked with Jonathan Rowe at Norwich, who could be a direct alternative. Rowe's got 8 goals, and 2 assists in all competitions this season. He's 20 years old.
Philogene's got 3 goals and 4 assists. He's 21 years old.
If we were to sign 1, there's not much between them on paper.
Post by: LeeB on October 28, 2023, 05:54:53 PM
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Post by: AV84 on October 30, 2023, 12:50:06 PM
It’s mad to think we probably don’t actually ‘need’ anybody in January. Our squad is the definition of settled with Moreno and Ramsey to come back in soon hopefully. Maybe a bit of fine tuning to cope with the business end of Europe and, dare I say it, a champions league tilt.
I disagree with that purely in the RB position. I'm happy with Cash and I don't think we need to replace him now, but we definitely need a solid second option there. If that was the only bit of business we did I wouldn't be overly concerned.
Of course, if the worst happens and we don't have any European football after December, then we'd probably manage with Moreno and Ramsey being back to full fitness. Given how long they've been out they would be, dare I say it, like new signings.
Post by: brontebilly on October 30, 2023, 12:59:14 PM
It’s mad to think we probably don’t actually ‘need’ anybody in January. Our squad is the definition of settled with Moreno and Ramsey to come back in soon hopefully. Maybe a bit of fine tuning to cope with the business end of Europe and, dare I say it, a champions league tilt.
I disagree with that purely in the RB position. I'm happy with Cash and I don't think we need to replace him now, but we definitely need a solid second option there. If that was the only bit of business we did I wouldn't be overly concerned.
Of course, if the worst happens and we don't have any European football after December, then we'd probably manage with Moreno and Ramsey being back to full fitness. Given how long they've been out they would be, dare I say it, like new signings.
Agreed RB has to be a priority. We are an injury to Cash away from a disaster in that position. Really could do with Moreno back asap too as I don't want to see Torres or Lenglet at LB either. Would like to see us strengthen cover for McGinn/Ramsey. It's not working with Zaniolo there.
Post by: algy on October 30, 2023, 01:05:34 PM
Think I'm with you both there. I don't think I'd be particularly concerned if we didn't sign a single player in January. Do think as far as fullbacks are concerned, being able to play either Cash + Digne or Konsa + Moreno gives us a huge amount of flexibility at the back. If we were going for anything I'd think it'd be a 'Digne' type player on the right ... basically a more defensive option on that side if we need it ... but I'm not sure it's 100% required.It’s mad to think we probably don’t actually ‘need’ anybody in January. Our squad is the definition of settled with Moreno and Ramsey to come back in soon hopefully. Maybe a bit of fine tuning to cope with the business end of Europe and, dare I say it, a champions league tilt.
I disagree with that purely in the RB position. I'm happy with Cash and I don't think we need to replace him now, but we definitely need a solid second option there. If that was the only bit of business we did I wouldn't be overly concerned.
Of course, if the worst happens and we don't have any European football after December, then we'd probably manage with Moreno and Ramsey being back to full fitness. Given how long they've been out they would be, dare I say it, like new signings.
A better keeper than Olsen would be useful, but I see that as more of a long term aim (next 2-3 windows) rather than somewhere we absolutely need to concentrate on straight away.
As for the Champions League tilt ... really? I wonder if we have an outside shot at the league title. Putting that in the positivity thread though rather than here 8)
Post by: pablo_picasso on October 30, 2023, 01:26:57 PM
Would anyone be hankering after Abraham if he hadn't done well for us in the Championship? Hourihane did well for us in the Championship, as did Kodjia and Snodgrass.
I would.
I like him as a player & think he would give us cover, competition, & a different option from a player who has played in a decent level league & performed pretty well, including European football experience too.
He's quick, he's relatively strong, he would offer some much needed height & can finish with both feet along with his head.
I think at striker position we are a bit short, (Along with the RB position), so a player like Abraham would improve the squad depth & squad quality.
And maybe means that we can send young Duran out on loan to a strong club, so he can get some games to improve on the solid base he already has at the age of 19. I think a six month loan to a club that plays technical football would do him the world of good & help mould him into a more rounded, solid & dependable first team option.
Having Watkins, Abraham & more developed Duran would give us solid striker depth.
Post by: AV84 on October 30, 2023, 01:30:12 PM
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 30, 2023, 06:32:04 PM
It’s mad to think we probably don’t actually ‘need’ anybody in January. Our squad is the definition of settled with Moreno and Ramsey to come back in soon hopefully. Maybe a bit of fine tuning to cope with the business end of Europe and, dare I say it, a champions league tilt.
I disagree with that purely in the RB position. I'm happy with Cash and I don't think we need to replace him now, but we definitely need a solid second option there. If that was the only bit of business we did I wouldn't be overly concerned.
Of course, if the worst happens and we don't have any European football after December, then we'd probably manage with Moreno and Ramsey being back to full fitness. Given how long they've been out they would be, dare I say it, like new signings.
Agreed RB has to be a priority. We are an injury to Cash away from a disaster in that position. Really could do with Moreno back asap too as I don't want to see Torres or Lenglet at LB either. Would like to see us strengthen cover for McGinn/Ramsey. It's not working with Zaniolo there.
Doesn’t Buendia (eventually) provide the mcginn/Ramsey cover?
Post by: Steve67 on October 30, 2023, 08:55:54 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on October 30, 2023, 09:07:03 PM
It’s mad to think we probably don’t actually ‘need’ anybody in January. Our squad is the definition of settled with Moreno and Ramsey to come back in soon hopefully. Maybe a bit of fine tuning to cope with the business end of Europe and, dare I say it, a champions league tilt.
I disagree with that purely in the RB position. I'm happy with Cash and I don't think we need to replace him now, but we definitely need a solid second option there. If that was the only bit of business we did I wouldn't be overly concerned.
Of course, if the worst happens and we don't have any European football after December, then we'd probably manage with Moreno and Ramsey being back to full fitness. Given how long they've been out they would be, dare I say it, like new signings.
Agreed RB has to be a priority. We are an injury to Cash away from a disaster in that position. Really could do with Moreno back asap too as I don't want to see Torres or Lenglet at LB either. Would like to see us strengthen cover for McGinn/Ramsey. It's not working with Zaniolo there.
Doesn’t Buendia (eventually) provide the mcginn/Ramsey cover?
Not for me DL. He played there a few times last season and in pre season and it didn't suit him.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 30, 2023, 09:26:14 PM
It’s mad to think we probably don’t actually ‘need’ anybody in January. Our squad is the definition of settled with Moreno and Ramsey to come back in soon hopefully. Maybe a bit of fine tuning to cope with the business end of Europe and, dare I say it, a champions league tilt.
I disagree with that purely in the RB position. I'm happy with Cash and I don't think we need to replace him now, but we definitely need a solid second option there. If that was the only bit of business we did I wouldn't be overly concerned.
Of course, if the worst happens and we don't have any European football after December, then we'd probably manage with Moreno and Ramsey being back to full fitness. Given how long they've been out they would be, dare I say it, like new signings.
Agreed RB has to be a priority. We are an injury to Cash away from a disaster in that position. Really could do with Moreno back asap too as I don't want to see Torres or Lenglet at LB either. Would like to see us strengthen cover for McGinn/Ramsey. It's not working with Zaniolo there.
Doesn’t Buendia (eventually) provide the mcginn/Ramsey cover?
Not for me DL. He played there a few times last season and in pre season and it didn't suit him.
Fantastic against Jaudi Arabia last season, very impactful sub.
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 30, 2023, 10:44:04 PM
Duran in and out of the squad currently so speculation will continue on that and Traore might be moved on for a small fee with six months left on his deal.
Just gives us a different option in games we're not winning after an hour.
CF and RB and that should be enough with hopefully Moreno and Ramsey fully fit by January.
Post by: eamonn on October 30, 2023, 11:17:42 PM
Upgrades for Dendonker, Olson and Chambers. Better all round squad, players coming in need to be as good as those they replace.
Easier said than done though. All the above are part of the squad and know their role. If we get improvements on them, do we aim for them to be better than whon they replace or better than the current first team players?
As they are hard to find, expensive and will be less ok with being substitutes.
Post by: AV84 on October 30, 2023, 11:21:13 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on October 30, 2023, 11:28:20 PM
It’s mad to think we probably don’t actually ‘need’ anybody in January. Our squad is the definition of settled with Moreno and Ramsey to come back in soon hopefully. Maybe a bit of fine tuning to cope with the business end of Europe and, dare I say it, a champions league tilt.
I disagree with that purely in the RB position. I'm happy with Cash and I don't think we need to replace him now, but we definitely need a solid second option there. If that was the only bit of business we did I wouldn't be overly concerned.
Of course, if the worst happens and we don't have any European football after December, then we'd probably manage with Moreno and Ramsey being back to full fitness. Given how long they've been out they would be, dare I say it, like new signings.
Agreed RB has to be a priority. We are an injury to Cash away from a disaster in that position. Really could do with Moreno back asap too as I don't want to see Torres or Lenglet at LB either. Would like to see us strengthen cover for McGinn/Ramsey. It's not working with Zaniolo there.
Doesn’t Buendia (eventually) provide the mcginn/Ramsey cover?
Not for me DL. He played there a few times last season and in pre season and it didn't suit him.
Fantastic against Jaudi Arabia last season, very impactful sub.
Yep, but not in that position though. I like Emi, but we've bought Diaby in the position he plays, who already looks like a significant upgrade.
I agree that he could be a useful impact sub though.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 31, 2023, 06:16:51 AM
Post by: simboy on October 31, 2023, 06:33:44 AM
It’s mad to think we probably don’t actually ‘need’ anybody in January. Our squad is the definition of settled with Moreno and Ramsey to come back in soon hopefully. Maybe a bit of fine tuning to cope with the business end of Europe and, dare I say it, a champions league tilt.
I disagree with that purely in the RB position. I'm happy with Cash and I don't think we need to replace him now, but we definitely need a solid second option there. If that was the only bit of business we did I wouldn't be overly concerned.
Of course, if the worst happens and we don't have any European football after December, then we'd probably manage with Moreno and Ramsey being back to full fitness. Given how long they've been out they would be, dare I say it, like new signings.
Agree with the need to get a RB. We also need a backup keeper. An injury to Cash the team can cover; an injury to Martinez would be a disaster to any European ambitions we may have.
Post by: frank black on October 31, 2023, 08:31:46 AM
2…Dont sell Dougie
3…Cover/Replace Cash
4…Striker if an opportunity arises.
Post by: rooboy316 on October 31, 2023, 10:01:40 AM
1…Back up keeper please!
2…Dont sell Dougie
3…Cover/Replace Cash
4…Striker if an opportunity arises.
Spot on. I think 2 is highly unlikely. 4 would be ace, particularly if it’s an upgrade or at least challenges Ollie as a potential starter. I’m happy to be patient to get the right guy at the right price there, so a loan as a stop gap also works.
Post by: tomd2103 on October 31, 2023, 10:43:58 AM
I think Buendia is better suited to the 10 role that McGinn and Zaniolo (Ramsey) are playing rather than Diaby’s second striker position.
Diaby plays the 10 role really. From what I see, McGinn, Zaniolo and Ramsey play in an 'inverted' wide position really and Buendia did play in that role at times last season.
McGinn and Ramsey play it really well, but it doesn't really suit others we have in the squad.
Post by: Monty on October 31, 2023, 10:55:30 AM
I think Buendia is better suited to the 10 role that McGinn and Zaniolo (Ramsey) are playing rather than Diaby’s second striker position.
Diaby plays the 10 role really. From what I see, McGinn, Zaniolo and Ramsey play in an 'inverted' wide position really and Buendia did play in that role at times last season.
McGinn and Ramsey play it really well, but it doesn't really suit others we have in the squad.
I would say the others either aren't yet used to it or we haven't quite found the right way to fit them in. It's a complicated role, pretty much unique in football from what I watch - one (usually McGinn) plays a kind of hybrid role moving into central midfield, the other stays wide until at certain moments (fuck if I know what they are!) they're meant to push up and create effectively a front three. They're two distinct roles.
Post by: Drummond on October 31, 2023, 03:25:36 PM
It's about strength in depth and the way he's going there aren't many I'd rather have.
Post by: danno on October 31, 2023, 03:30:28 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on October 31, 2023, 04:53:41 PM
It probably won't be in January, but next summer Mings and Carlos will both be 31. I know its not championship manager but I think we should be looking for a promising centre back.
We’ve got one in Feeney.
Post by: tomd2103 on October 31, 2023, 04:56:13 PM
I think Buendia is better suited to the 10 role that McGinn and Zaniolo (Ramsey) are playing rather than Diaby’s second striker position.
Diaby plays the 10 role really. From what I see, McGinn, Zaniolo and Ramsey play in an 'inverted' wide position really and Buendia did play in that role at times last season.
McGinn and Ramsey play it really well, but it doesn't really suit others we have in the squad.
I would say the others either aren't yet used to it or we haven't quite found the right way to fit them in. It's a complicated role, pretty much unique in football from what I watch - one (usually McGinn) plays a kind of hybrid role moving into central midfield, the other stays wide until at certain moments (fuck if I know what they are!) they're meant to push up and create effectively a front three. They're two distinct roles.
Totally agree. McGinn and Ramsey are so suited to those roles and have been really good in them since Emery's arrival. It also requires defensive responsibilities and I think that's where Zaniolo.and Buendia have struggled a bit.
I can only see us improving further when Ramsey comes back.
Post by: Monty on October 31, 2023, 05:07:08 PM
It'll be interesting to see if for certain games or times of games he feels happy playing two 'false' strikers as it were, giving Ollie a rest and maybe playing two of Diaby, Bailey and Zaniolo. Wouldn't put it past him.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 31, 2023, 05:59:00 PM
Post by: nigel on October 31, 2023, 06:04:42 PM
It probably won't be in January, but next summer Mings and Carlos will both be 31. I know its not championship manager but I think we should be looking for a promising centre back.
Konsa and Torres are both 26, so it’s feasible for them to be our starting pair for a few years.
I suppose Mings and Carlos still have a couple of years at the top end
So no harm in looking for the next generation to go with Feeney
Post by: tom jennings III on October 31, 2023, 10:43:52 PM
1…Back up keeper please!
2…Dont sell Dougie
3…Cover/Replace Cash
4…Striker if an opportunity arises.
This is exactly it for me, although unless Emery has a young Spanish striker lined up as a hidden gem I think 4 is very unlikely.
Post by: tomd2103 on October 31, 2023, 10:56:25 PM
We miss the direct running of JJ. He’d have comfortably got to double figures in goals this year in this side had he been fit from the start. Nobody else really does what he does of our CM squad members.
I agree TV. I think this could have been his big break out season if he'd carried along the trajectory he was going. He was really good in the run-in last season and had added goals to his game as well.
Such a shame he got a lengthy injury.
Post by: jwarry on November 01, 2023, 07:49:12 AM
We miss the direct running of JJ. He’d have comfortably got to double figures in goals this year in this side had he been fit from the start. Nobody else really does what he does of our CM squad members.
Yes, thanks England 😡
Post by: chrisw1 on November 01, 2023, 10:51:26 AM
I no longer feel it is realistic to upgrade Ollie. I've been a critic of his in the past, but right now I just don't think it's realistic to find a better striker who would contemplate a club of our stature. He is absolutely crucial to how we play and much as there are strikers who I admire in the PL, the only one I'd swap him for would be Haaland (with Son & Salah too old)1…Back up keeper please!
2…Dont sell Dougie
3…Cover/Replace Cash
4…Striker if an opportunity arises.
Spot on. I think 2 is highly unlikely. 4 would be ace, particularly if it’s an upgrade or at least challenges Ollie as a potential starter. I’m happy to be patient to get the right guy at the right price there, so a loan as a stop gap also works.
Post by: Rigadon on November 01, 2023, 10:58:16 AM
I no longer feel it is realistic to upgrade Ollie. I've been a critic of his in the past, but right now I just don't think it's realistic to find a better striker who would contemplate a club of our stature. He is absolutely crucial to how we play and much as there are strikers who I admire in the PL, the only one I'd swap him for would be Haaland (with Son & Salah too old)1…Back up keeper please!
2…Dont sell Dougie
3…Cover/Replace Cash
4…Striker if an opportunity arises.
Spot on. I think 2 is highly unlikely. 4 would be ace, particularly if it’s an upgrade or at least challenges Ollie as a potential starter. I’m happy to be patient to get the right guy at the right price there, so a loan as a stop gap also works.
Same here. He's the best centre forward not playing in the CL at the moment.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2023, 10:58:18 AM
Rumours now that Roma will offer him to Chelsea in part exchange for Lukaka. I'd say he's definitely on his way out anyway. Could be his agent trying to engineer something. The last day it was Chelsea, us, and Brentford being alerted to his availability.
Didn't he do his ACL in June? Bit optimstic to think he'll be fully fit by even February so it's more a signing imo you wait until the summer and hope he can get some starts for Roma to get him up to speed.
Given Chelsea's endless woes infront of goal I can see logic in getting him back although if they improve they'll then run into the same issues as last time he was there, he's not a CF good enough to elevate them into title contention.
As for us a more experience version of Duran on loan seems a good bet to me. That Guissary guy pretty much scoring two goals every game at Stuttgart could be one to look at. He's 27 so probably of the age where current CL teams would pass up on him.
Post by: Mister E on November 01, 2023, 11:04:42 AM
We're incredibly well stocked with good-to-great players in the attacking midfield / attack department. I think we should rightly be more focussed on CB (someone above mentioned that Carlos and Mings will both be 31 next year), back-up at right back and a replacement for Dendonk.
For January, it is the last areas - RFB and DMF - that we could usefully put money against.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 01, 2023, 11:09:30 AM
Post by: Dave on November 01, 2023, 11:19:17 AM
If we offload Traore and don't sign Zaniolo permanently i think it would be a good move for us, he's certainly a player that knows where the net is and would probably flourish in this team.
I can't see a scenario where we don't sign Zaniolo - didn't he only need to play something like 20 games to make it an obligatory purchase? Given his current frequency of appearing, it's hard to see how we don't hit that threshold.
Post by: LeeB on November 01, 2023, 11:32:31 AM
Post by: john e on November 01, 2023, 11:41:40 AM
If he weren't made of glass Calvert-Lewin would be good option for me, but alas, he is.
I’d love that Nunez fella at Liverpool
I know it’s unrealistic but there was a time he wasn’t rated and they were overstocked up front
He’d be the sort of signing to break the bank for 80-100 mill and give us more power and options in attack
Post by: AV84 on November 01, 2023, 11:42:03 AM
Rumours now that Roma will offer him to Chelsea in part exchange for Lukaka. I'd say he's definitely on his way out anyway. Could be his agent trying to engineer something. The last day it was Chelsea, us, and Brentford being alerted to his availability.
Didn't he do his ACL in June? Bit optimstic to think he'll be fully fit by even February so it's more a signing imo you wait until the summer and hope he can get some starts for Roma to get him up to speed.
Yes. All of these rumours at the moment seem to imply a summer move. One suggested he'd go if Mourinho goes at the end of the season. The Lukaka one would be end of season too.
Post by: Dave on November 01, 2023, 11:51:07 AM
I’d love that Nunez fella at Liverpool
I know it’s unrealistic but there was a time he wasn’t rated and they were overstocked up front
Not sure that's true. He scored 15 for them in his first season and has started this one very well too.
Post by: LeeB on November 01, 2023, 12:19:02 PM
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2023, 12:19:57 PM
I’d love that Nunez fella at Liverpool
I know it’s unrealistic but there was a time he wasn’t rated and they were overstocked up front
Not sure that's true. He scored 15 for them in his first season and has started this one very well too.
John's right though, at the start of last season he was being joked about as being one of the biggest wastes of money ever.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2023, 12:27:47 PM
I’d love that Nunez fella at Liverpool
I know it’s unrealistic but there was a time he wasn’t rated and they were overstocked up front
Not sure that's true. He scored 15 for them in his first season and has started this one very well too.
John's right though, at the start of last season he was being joked about as being one of the biggest wastes of money ever.
Well certainly compared to Haaland. He’s clearly not as good and makes more noticeable errors. But my Liverpool supporting mate says he’s a lot better for the unseen work than he’s given credit for.
Post by: john e on November 01, 2023, 12:33:19 PM
I’d love that Nunez fella at Liverpool
I know it’s unrealistic but there was a time he wasn’t rated and they were overstocked up front
Not sure that's true. He scored 15 for them in his first season and has started this one very well too.
John's right though, at the start of last season he was being joked about as being one of the biggest wastes of money ever.
Well certainly compared to Haaland. He’s clearly not as good and makes more noticeable errors. But my Liverpool supporting mate says he’s a lot better for the unseen work than he’s given credit for.
Yeah, don’t get me wrong I don’t think we would have any chance of getting him but he is the sort of player that would take the team forward
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2023, 12:33:55 PM
He lived in the delights of Tettenhall Wood for 3-4 years so wouldn't have a hang up about coming to the West Midlands.
Might be a realistic signing if we make CL given he remains a squad player at Liverpool.
Post by: Dave on November 01, 2023, 12:37:12 PM
I’d love that Nunez fella at Liverpool
I know it’s unrealistic but there was a time he wasn’t rated and they were overstocked up front
Not sure that's true. He scored 15 for them in his first season and has started this one very well too.
John's right though, at the start of last season he was being joked about as being one of the biggest wastes of money ever.
I imagine that there were plenty of ManYoo supporting internet banter-merchants announcing that the new Liverpool signing was a disaster, like they always do. All those lovely, angry Liverpool fans clicking and engaging.
If anyone takes that as evidence of him not being "rated", then more fool them in my opinion.
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2023, 12:55:25 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 01, 2023, 01:06:02 PM
If we offload Traore and don't sign Zaniolo permanently i think it would be a good move for us, he's certainly a player that knows where the net is and would probably flourish in this team.
I can't see a scenario where we don't sign Zaniolo - didn't he only need to play something like 20 games to make it an obligatory purchase? Given his current frequency of appearing, it's hard to see how we don't hit that threshold.
I was thinking more in relation to the investigation and any fallout from that. Not exactly sure on the situation with that though?
He will otherwise end up making the appearances though, but aside from that come next summer Abraham still might be a decent option if the rumors were true and we 'rekindle our interest'.
Nunez is a good player but i can't see him leaving there. I think John's right that the consensus was that he wasn't initially hitting the heights of most of the other Liverpool forwards in recent years but that is a very high bar.
Post by: Gareth on November 01, 2023, 01:10:56 PM
If he weren't made of glass Calvert-Lewin would be good option for me, but alas, he is.
I think if he wasn’t made of glass he would have left Everton a couple of years ago and been the main deputy to Kane for England.
Post by: LeeB on November 01, 2023, 01:13:34 PM
Also the kind of player that when someone says to you "Ha, he's shit isn't he? Lol", you can confidently dismiss them as a buffoon.
Post by: Dave on November 01, 2023, 01:36:31 PM
Also the kind of player that when someone says to you "Ha, he's shit isn't he? Lol", you can confidently dismiss them as a buffoon.
Indeed. There are plenty of people who think Mings is shit. With the two options of "Mings isn't rated" or "a large number of people who supposedly watch football are credulous half-wits", I'd go with the second.
Same applies to Nunez.
Post by: Monty on November 01, 2023, 01:38:08 PM
Post by: LukeJames on November 01, 2023, 01:40:24 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 01, 2023, 02:04:10 PM
Also the kind of player that when someone says to you "Ha, he's shit isn't he? Lol", you can confidently dismiss them as a buffoon.
Indeed. There are plenty of people who think Mings is shit. With the two options of "Mings isn't rated" or "a large number of people who supposedly watch football are credulous half-wits", I'd go with the second.
Same applies to Nunez.
See also historically Savo.
Post by: JJ-AV on November 01, 2023, 02:18:15 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 01, 2023, 02:20:20 PM
James Garner and Hwang are too players domestically who could be worth a look to upgrade on Dendonker and Traore. Garner can cover right back too I think.
Hwang is at serious risk of CRT with all the critcal blows he's taken to the face in recent weeks.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 01, 2023, 02:34:59 PM
He is a bit of a drama queen, that's for sure. Decent player though.James Garner and Hwang are too players domestically who could be worth a look to upgrade on Dendonker and Traore. Garner can cover right back too I think.
Hwang is at serious risk of CRT with all the critcal blows he's taken to the face in recent weeks.
Post by: Mister E on November 01, 2023, 02:46:49 PM
I’d love that Nunez fella at LiverpoolShouldn't we be looking for the Next One? - who's out there who's about to burst onto the scene? Under the Emery regime I don't think we need to blow our brains out on an already-established player.
I know it’s unrealistic but there was a time he wasn’t rated and they were overstocked up front
He’d be the sort of signing to break the bank for 80-100 mill and give us more power and options in attack
Post by: Gareth on November 01, 2023, 02:49:31 PM
I’d love that Nunez fella at LiverpoolShouldn't we be looking for the Next One? - who's out there who's about to burst onto the scene? Under the Emery regime I don't think we need to blow our brains out on an already-established player.
I know it’s unrealistic but there was a time he wasn’t rated and they were overstocked up front
He’d be the sort of signing to break the bank for 80-100 mill and give us more power and options in attack
That would have been what they did with Duran??
Post by: paul_e on November 01, 2023, 02:58:45 PM
I’d love that Nunez fella at LiverpoolShouldn't we be looking for the Next One? - who's out there who's about to burst onto the scene? Under the Emery regime I don't think we need to blow our brains out on an already-established player.
I know it’s unrealistic but there was a time he wasn’t rated and they were overstocked up front
He’d be the sort of signing to break the bank for 80-100 mill and give us more power and options in attack
That would have been what they did with Duran??
Yep, exactly this. If we want someone to compete with Watkins now we need to spend big money, if we're happy to have younger options who get a few appearances here and there then Duran is fine and we just need another player of a similar standard.
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2023, 04:02:29 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 01, 2023, 04:08:23 PM
I’d love that Nunez fella at LiverpoolShouldn't we be looking for the Next One? - who's out there who's about to burst onto the scene? Under the Emery regime I don't think we need to blow our brains out on an already-established player.
I know it’s unrealistic but there was a time he wasn’t rated and they were overstocked up front
He’d be the sort of signing to break the bank for 80-100 mill and give us more power and options in attack
That would have been what they did with Duran??
Yep, exactly this. If we want someone to compete with Watkins now we need to spend big money, if we're happy to have younger options who get a few appearances here and there then Duran is fine and we just need another player of a similar standard.
PSG made a very smart move taking Gonçalo Ramos from Benfica on loan for a season with an option to buy. It has allowed them to more slowly introduce him into the team and he's adapting well. If PSG don't take up the option to buy I'd love us to jump in and sign him. He's so suited to the way we play, he'd be scoring for fun. £56m plus £13m add-ons ain't cheap but he's only 22 and we'd get our moneys worth out of him and some.
Nunez is still learning but I expect him to come close to reaching the heights of his countryman, Edinson Cavani. He's only 24 and has his best years ahead of him.
Post by: paul_e on November 01, 2023, 04:12:53 PM
I think we need somebody in-between. Hopefully Watkins keeps up his incredible run of games and never getting injured, but if he ever was out for a while, I don't think that Duran is anywhere near good enough yet to replace him adequately. Certainly not in his all round play. I don't know who that player is, but look at Newcastle. When Isak's out, they've got Callum Wilson.
But that was signing a very expensive replacement (Isak) to push a regular (Wilson) out of the XI. Not signing someone who is 90% of the player in place, which is the truly difficult bit.
However I've said before that I'd be ok with someone older coming in for 12/18months to fill that gap, not a lot of good options about though. Someone like Firmino might've been a good option but sadly those sort of players \are the ones being givena fortune to retire to the desert.
Morata will be in the last 6months of his contract in the window, he could be an option but is clearly a very different player to Watkins.
Post by: AV84 on November 01, 2023, 04:24:06 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on November 01, 2023, 04:30:18 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 01, 2023, 04:31:10 PM
I think we need somebody in-between. Hopefully Watkins keeps up his incredible run of games and never getting injured, but if he ever was out for a while, I don't think that Duran is anywhere near good enough yet to replace him adequately. Certainly not in his all round play. I don't know who that player is, but look at Newcastle. When Isak's out, they've got Callum Wilson.
But that was signing a very expensive replacement (Isak) to push a regular (Wilson) out of the XI. Not signing someone who is 90% of the player in place, which is the truly difficult bit.
However I've said before that I'd be ok with someone older coming in for 12/18months to fill that gap.
Yes, that would be the best option, whilst Duran develops. We did have Ings of course but i don't think he had the mobility of Watkins and we need that type of player, a like for like if Watkins gets injured.
Post by: Dave on November 01, 2023, 05:02:43 PM
Someone like Firmino might've been a good option but sadly those sort of players \are the ones being givena fortune to retire to the desert.
Yup, very good point. I bet that had a league paying many millions in wages to big name players back in the day would have probably meant we'd never have seen the likes of Carew or Merson here.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on November 01, 2023, 05:11:56 PM
Post by: OCD on November 01, 2023, 05:19:52 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 02, 2023, 12:16:40 AM
It's exciting to see what Monchi has lined up.
Post by: Axl Rose on November 02, 2023, 02:04:32 AM
I'm going to see if I can locate 5 players that could strengthen us in specific areas who Monchi will sign.
It's exciting to see what Monchi has lined up.
From the J2 League please, Footy.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 02, 2023, 07:04:28 AM
Post by: AV84 on November 02, 2023, 08:49:54 AM
I read the other day that Neves has said it's his dream to move to Newcastle, surprising absolutely no one.
Post by: john e on November 02, 2023, 08:50:48 AM
I wonder how many of the Saudi lot are regretting their choices. Often playing in front of <1,000 fans might be more of a culture shock than they were expecting. Some great players went and some might be keen forfeit the cash for the razzmatazz of a real league.
On the basis that they went solely for the money there’s probably not that much regret
Post by: tomd2103 on November 02, 2023, 10:52:29 AM
Upgrades on Olsen and Duran would be ideal I suppose, but a real quality option for the latter might be tricky to find.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 02, 2023, 11:15:48 AM
Perhaps as he's not featuring he can leave and we can bring in a suitable replacement who can play right back /defence
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 02, 2023, 12:21:46 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 02, 2023, 01:13:42 PM
I wouldn't sell any of the defenders. We have Mings out for the season, Moreno has been injured as well and Longlet is just a loan with no buy clause. We just need to buy another right back for now. If we do so that still only gives us 8 defenders for a season with a European campaign and FA Cup to come.
If we can sell Chambers and get a decent replacement to compete at right back then I'd be all for it, he's clearly not in the plans so he's just taking a squad place and a wage for no reason. He's probably only marginally ahead of someone like Feeney right now so he's not providing any real value to us.
Post by: AV84 on November 02, 2023, 01:20:19 PM
Post by: Risso on November 02, 2023, 01:20:42 PM
I wouldn't sell any of the defenders. We have Mings out for the season, Moreno has been injured as well and Longlet is just a loan with no buy clause. We just need to buy another right back for now. If we do so that still only gives us 8 defenders for a season with a European campaign and FA Cup to come.
If we can sell Chambers and get a decent replacement to compete at right back then I'd be all for it, he's clearly not in the plans so he's just taking a squad place and a wage for no reason. He's probably only marginally ahead of someone like Feeney right now so he's not providing any real value to us.
Agree with that, he's 5th choice centre back and nowhere near good enough for right back, where you'd assume from now on Konsa will play if there's an emergency.
Post by: paul_e on November 02, 2023, 01:22:14 PM
We need to bring a RB in. Whether Chambers stays or goes is irrelevant. He pretty much doesn't count as a player as it is. Bringing in another RB probably bumps him off the bench too.
Yes, exactly, this is why he needs to be sold, he has the potential to become a 1man bomb squad if we're not careful and we should be doing everything we can to avoid that.
Post by: algy on November 02, 2023, 02:21:37 PM
Someone like Jhon Duran, you mean?I’d love that Nunez fella at LiverpoolShouldn't we be looking for the Next One? - who's out there who's about to burst onto the scene? Under the Emery regime I don't think we need to blow our brains out on an already-established player.
I know it’s unrealistic but there was a time he wasn’t rated and they were overstocked up front
He’d be the sort of signing to break the bank for 80-100 mill and give us more power and options in attack
Post by: Risso on November 02, 2023, 02:24:49 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 02, 2023, 02:30:03 PM
Players thought to be the next "wonder-kids".
He's likened to Thomas Mueller & when Mueller sought him out to trade shirts recently, it was seen as a symbolic "passing of the torch".
Those sorts of youngsters are what we need to be looking at...
Post by: paul_e on November 02, 2023, 02:59:23 PM
We need to be looking at the likes of Brajan Gruda.
Players thought to be the next "wonder-kids".
He's likened to Thomas Mueller & when Mueller sought him out to trade shirts recently, it was seen as a symbolic "passing of the torch".
Those sorts of youngsters are what we need to be looking at...
They're also the sort of youngsters that tend to have clubs like Chelsea offering £40-50m for them on the off chance they make good on that potential. That's not to say it's impossible to get them but it's a congested market.
Post by: AV84 on November 02, 2023, 03:00:31 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 02, 2023, 03:06:39 PM
Didn't Man U sign a wonder kid for 75mil this past summer. He's given away more penalties in the league than he's scored goals.
Yep, 18 goals in 69 appearances in senior league football and only 9 of those in a decent league, trying to find the 'next big thing' is nearly as expensive as signing ready made players. Signings like Duran and Wilson for us Ferguson at Brighton are the only way you can do it on the cheap now but they need much more time and patience to see if they can make it.
Post by: AV84 on November 02, 2023, 03:11:34 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 02, 2023, 03:14:09 PM
I wouldn't sell any of the defenders. We have Mings out for the season, Moreno has been injured as well and Longlet is just a loan with no buy clause. We just need to buy another right back for now. If we do so that still only gives us 8 defenders for a season with a European campaign and FA Cup to come.
If we can sell Chambers and get a decent replacement to compete at right back then I'd be all for it, he's clearly not in the plans so he's just taking a squad place and a wage for no reason. He's probably only marginally ahead of someone like Feeney right now so he's not providing any real value to us.
Agree with that, he's 5th choice centre back and nowhere near good enough for right back, where you'd assume from now on Konsa will play if there's an emergency.
Actually yes, we would still have 4 CB's without Chambers and then the 2 left backs and 2 right backs with a new one so it wouldn't really be an issue. He's not a bad player though and it shows how far we've come really that he's so way down the pecking order.
Post by: paul_e on November 02, 2023, 03:48:06 PM
I can't see Carlos and Chambers leaving without a replacementI wouldn't sell any of the defenders. We have Mings out for the season, Moreno has been injured as well and Longlet is just a loan with no buy clause. We just need to buy another right back for now. If we do so that still only gives us 8 defenders for a season with a European campaign and FA Cup to come.
If we can sell Chambers and get a decent replacement to compete at right back then I'd be all for it, he's clearly not in the plans so he's just taking a squad place and a wage for no reason. He's probably only marginally ahead of someone like Feeney right now so he's not providing any real value to us.
Agree with that, he's 5th choice centre back and nowhere near good enough for right back, where you'd assume from now on Konsa will play if there's an emergency.
Actually yes, we would still have 4 CB's without Chambers and then the 2 left backs and 2 right backs with a new one so it wouldn't really be an issue. He's not a bad player though and it shows how far we've come really that he's so way down the pecking order.
Peter Lynch Villa news reports exit for Carlos is on the cards
https://www.astonvillanews.co.uk/2023/11/01/diego-carlos-exit-at-aston-villa-on-the-cards-unai-emery-does-not-need-him-at-villa-park/ (https://www.astonvillanews.co.uk/2023/11/01/diego-carlos-exit-at-aston-villa-on-the-cards-unai-emery-does-not-need-him-at-villa-park/)
No he doesn't, he writes a headline that suggests he's reporting something but if you read it the entire story is "Carlos might not be happy if he's not starting league games". That entire site is full of the same clickbait bollocks, often based on a 1 line quote from Alan Hutton.
Post by: Risso on November 02, 2023, 03:48:29 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 02, 2023, 04:03:41 PM
I'm not familiar with Peter Lynch. But maybe one to keep an eye on if other news outlets start running the story.
Post by: paul_e on November 02, 2023, 04:05:23 PM
Well if it's not ITK then it's misleading with this 'Aston Villa News' website . It's .co.uk as well. Why so quick to dismiss it when the address is Aston Villa?
I'm not familiar with Peter Lynch. But maybe one to keep an eye on if other news outlets start running the story.
I'm dismissing it because:
1. there's literally no substance to the story.
2. I've seen enough of their 'exclusives' to know it's all made up bullshit.
Post by: Mister E on November 02, 2023, 04:08:41 PM
Well if it's not ITK then it's misleading with this 'Aston Villa News' website . It's .co.uk as well. Why so quick to dismiss it when the address is Aston Villa?You might ask the same about'Football Insider': beguiling name but full of BS.
I'm not familiar with Peter Lynch. But maybe one to keep an eye on if other news outlets start running the story.
Post by: Risso on November 02, 2023, 04:09:47 PM
Well if it's not ITK then it's misleading with this 'Aston Villa News' website . It's .co.uk as well. Why so quick to dismiss it when the address is Aston Villa?
I'm not familiar with Peter Lynch. But maybe one to keep an eye on if other news outlets start running the story.
What on earth has the fucking domain name got to do with anything. I could register astonvillaguaranteedtransfernews.co.uk in about five minutes for a few quid and put on there that we're signing the corpse of Richard III.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 02, 2023, 04:10:15 PM
Well if it's not ITK then it's misleading with this 'Aston Villa News' website . It's .co.uk as well. Why so quick to dismiss it when the address is Aston Villa?will you ever learn?
I'm not familiar with Peter Lynch. But maybe one to keep an eye on if other news outlets start running the story.
Post by: dave shelley on November 02, 2023, 04:20:52 PM
Well if it's not ITK then it's misleading with this 'Aston Villa News' website . It's .co.uk as well. Why so quick to dismiss it when the address is Aston Villa?
I'm not familiar with Peter Lynch. But maybe one to keep an eye on if other news outlets start running the story.
If you're ever in this part of the world Footy I'd highly recommend Pete Lynch if you need a taxi. Always gets me home from the pub safe and sound. Nice bloke too.
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 02, 2023, 04:24:04 PM
We need to be looking at the likes of Brajan Gruda.
Players thought to be the next "wonder-kids".
He's likened to Thomas Mueller & when Mueller sought him out to trade shirts recently, it was seen as a symbolic "passing of the torch".
Those sorts of youngsters are what we need to be looking at...
They're also the sort of youngsters that tend to have clubs like Chelsea offering £40-50m for them on the off chance they make good on that potential. That's not to say it's impossible to get them but it's a congested market.
Oh yeah, I agree the market is congested, & if someone like Chelsea come along & wants to splash £50m at them, then we walk away. Unless we really want the kid, of course.
But that would be on a case by case basis.
I just think that we have to at least attempt to compete for some of these top "wonder-kid" players, within reason of price, personal demands, etc, as part of our evolution to becoming a top club once again...
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 02, 2023, 04:43:15 PM
Well if it's not ITK then it's misleading with this 'Aston Villa News' website . It's .co.uk as well. Why so quick to dismiss it when the address is Aston Villa?
I'm not familiar with Peter Lynch. But maybe one to keep an eye on if other news outlets start running the story.
we're signing the corpse of Richard III.
Please don't. He'll be wanting to discuss the pro's and con's of that potential deal next.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 02, 2023, 04:50:03 PM
Well if it's not ITK then it's misleading with this 'Aston Villa News' website . It's .co.uk as well. Why so quick to dismiss it when the address is Aston Villa?
I'm not familiar with Peter Lynch. But maybe one to keep an eye on if other news outlets start running the story.
What on earth has the fucking domain name got to do with anything. I could register astonvillaguaranteedtransfernews.co.uk in about five minutes for a few quid and put on there that we're signing the corpse of Richard III.
Bruce would've taken him. Grim-visaged War hath smoothed his wrinkled front. A player in his own image.
Post by: paul_e on November 02, 2023, 04:52:38 PM
Well if it's not ITK then it's misleading with this 'Aston Villa News' website . It's .co.uk as well. Why so quick to dismiss it when the address is Aston Villa?
I'm not familiar with Peter Lynch. But maybe one to keep an eye on if other news outlets start running the story.
What on earth has the fucking domain name got to do with anything. I could register astonvillaguaranteedtransfernews.co.uk in about five minutes for a few quid and put on there that we're signing the corpse of Richard III.
Bruce would've taken him. Grim-visaged War hath smoothed his wrinkled front. A player in his own image.
I doubt it, with that hunchback he'd have really struggled with pulling up his socks.
Post by: Gareth on November 02, 2023, 04:57:22 PM
Well if it's not ITK then it's misleading with this 'Aston Villa News' website . It's .co.uk as well. Why so quick to dismiss it when the address is Aston Villa?
I'm not familiar with Peter Lynch. But maybe one to keep an eye on if other news outlets start running the story.
What on earth has the fucking domain name got to do with anything. I could register astonvillaguaranteedtransfernews.co.uk in about five minutes for a few quid and put on there that we're signing the corpse of Richard III.
I’m not sure Leicester will sell whilst they are set for promotion?
Post by: frank black on November 02, 2023, 05:07:36 PM
Well if it's not ITK then it's misleading with this 'Aston Villa News' website . It's .co.uk as well. Why so quick to dismiss it when the address is Aston Villa?
I'm not familiar with Peter Lynch. But maybe one to keep an eye on if other news outlets start running the story.
Come on now, read it and realise there’s no hint of a rumour in the actual discussion. It’s the absolute definition of ‘click bait’. So much so I’ve no idea why you’ve stated ‘could be one to keep an eye on’ unless you are the definition of click bait and I’ve fallen hook line and sinker….doh
Post by: Olneythelonely on November 02, 2023, 05:15:01 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 02, 2023, 05:21:58 PM
We should take a punt on this Irish kid, Naj Razi, at Shamrock Rovers. He's only 17 so can't sign for a British club until he's 18, Brexit apparently, but that's what that Portugese team is for! Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, Manchester City, Chelsea and Arsenal are all showing interest in him.
No idea on the quality of the player but yes that’s exactly how the sister club should used.
Post by: AV82EC on November 02, 2023, 05:25:42 PM
We should take a punt on this Irish kid, Naj Razi, at Shamrock Rovers. He's only 17 so can't sign for a British club until he's 18, Brexit apparently, but that's what that Portugese team is for! Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, Manchester City, Chelsea and Arsenal are all showing interest in him.
No idea on the quality of the player but yes that’s exactly how the sister club should used.
Err lads, isn’t Portugal in the EU as well? Or is it more get him to the sister club so we get first refusal when he’s 18?
Post by: AV84 on November 02, 2023, 05:31:27 PM
We should take a punt on this Irish kid, Naj Razi, at Shamrock Rovers. He's only 17 so can't sign for a British club until he's 18, Brexit apparently, but that's what that Portugese team is for! Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, Manchester City, Chelsea and Arsenal are all showing interest in him.
No idea on the quality of the player but yes that’s exactly how the sister club should used.
Err lads, isn’t Portugal in the EU as well? Or is it more get him to the sister club so we get first refusal when he’s 18?
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Portuguese side buys him to sidestep the EU thing, then "sells" him to us next January for a reasonable fee.
(I honestly don't know how the Brexit thing works, the most recent article I saw about him just mentioned that the 3 English sides couldn't buy him until he was 18, but I don't know if that's a set rule, or if there's a limit and they're already at it. No idea.)
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 02, 2023, 05:45:43 PM
Regards this Aston Villa news . UK domain.Well if it's not ITK then it's misleading with this 'Aston Villa News' website . It's .co.uk as well. Why so quick to dismiss it when the address is Aston Villa?
I'm not familiar with Peter Lynch. But maybe one to keep an eye on if other news outlets start running the story.
What on earth has the fucking domain name got to do with anything. I could register astonvillaguaranteedtransfernews.co.uk in about five minutes for a few quid and put on there that we're signing the corpse of Richard III.
I've done further research, and the trust domain score is 7 out of 100, I've a good mind to report it, but it wasn't asking for any details so seems they are making money another way.
You have to be weary of those things, though unfortunately, I believed things several times on text messages regarding delivery links. When all was resolved, I was advised by security and law services to only trust websites ending in the UK when recieving text for missed deliveries or collections of parcels. Extremely disgusting behaviour.
Ok, so then this is somewhat different, but it doesn't help then when these clickbait websites are just trying to drive traffic they tarnish TLDs
I removed the news item as it seems the source isn't helpful or reliable.
Apologies.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 02, 2023, 05:48:05 PM
Well if it's not ITK then it's misleading with this 'Aston Villa News' website . It's .co.uk as well. Why so quick to dismiss it when the address is Aston Villa?
I'm not familiar with Peter Lynch. But maybe one to keep an eye on if other news outlets start running the story.
I'm dismissing it because:
1. there's literally no substance to the story.
2. I've seen enough of their 'exclusives' to know it's all made up bullshit.
Forgive me it was the first time I had information from them and seeking it was Aston Villa News I was curious and felt it had some sort of official media status with the UK domain.
Won't be following any of there news reports and releases again!
Post by: Dave on November 02, 2023, 05:53:22 PM
You have to be weary of those things
Oh, I am.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 02, 2023, 05:56:42 PM
I know there is opposition to football insiders, but they seem hit and miss. I've always been quite taken with them myself but am hearing they may not be the most reliable by posters on here so I have to respect that and they may be onto something that I haven't seen
It's tricky one though isn't it as also they do have quotes from genuine pundits and ex players, and to me that has some level of clout .
I think it needs to be looked at which source it is when reports come in on villa transfer news as from anywhere and will try and be more diligent.
Good weekend to all.
Post by: Gareth on November 02, 2023, 06:04:29 PM
So maybe we could set up a list of not-newsworthy items so the false information doesn't come here.
I know there is opposition to football insiders, but they seem hit and miss. I've always been quite taken with them myself but am hearing they may not be the most reliable by posters on here so I have to respect that and they may be onto something that I haven't seen
It's tricky one though isn't it as also they do have quotes from genuine pundits and ex players, and to me that has some level of clout .
I think it needs to be looked at which source it is when reports come in on villa transfer news as from anywhere and will try and be more diligent.
Good weekend to all.
Easier to list the trustworthy ones footy…particularly as we get close to January. The trust worthy ones are the ones who report news ie when they have been tipped off by the clubs or agents themselves ie John Percy.
Unreliable ones are most of the internet, dumb and dumber off sky sports news (they have 24 hours of news channel to fill is the clue)
Post by: paul_e on November 02, 2023, 06:42:49 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 02, 2023, 07:25:07 PM
Think about that footy.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 02, 2023, 07:30:44 PM
Ok that puts things into perspective.
Good stat Percy!
Post by: AV84 on November 02, 2023, 07:35:37 PM
Post by: OCD on November 02, 2023, 08:20:50 PM
Peter Lynch could be one of the Footy writing team.
Or one of his personalities.
Post by: john e on November 03, 2023, 04:17:28 AM
Yep, there's about 5 people worth listening to and a couple of those are "tap-in merchants" anyway.
and that’s just on here in H&V. 😀
Post by: JD on November 03, 2023, 05:44:06 AM
Well if it's not ITK then it's misleading with this 'Aston Villa News' website . It's .co.uk as well. Why so quick to dismiss it when the address is Aston Villa?
I'm not familiar with Peter Lynch. But maybe one to keep an eye on if other news outlets start running the story.
What on earth has the fucking domain name got to do with anything. I could register astonvillaguaranteedtransfernews.co.uk in about five minutes for a few quid and put on there that we're signing the corpse of Richard III.
You should Martin, as Manure will probably outbid us and pay 80m for him.
Post by: Axl Rose on November 03, 2023, 05:59:16 AM
Well if it's not ITK then it's misleading with this 'Aston Villa News' website . It's .co.uk as well. Why so quick to dismiss it when the address is Aston Villa?
I'm not familiar with Peter Lynch. But maybe one to keep an eye on if other news outlets start running the story.
What on earth has the fucking domain name got to do with anything. I could register astonvillaguaranteedtransfernews.co.uk in about five minutes for a few quid and put on there that we're signing the corpse of Richard III.
You should Martin, as Manure will probably outbid us and pay 80m for him.
😂
Post by: algy on November 03, 2023, 07:51:43 AM
The domain name means very little, Footy. A while back, for a daft joke with a friend, we registered www.army.yt (Mayotte, a small island off the south-east coast of Africa). I am not from Mayotte. I am not related to anyone from Mayotte. I have never been to Mayotte. I have never knowingly met anyone from Mayotte. I am not in any way related to their army, or indeed any other army. No check was made on who I was when I registered it.Regards this Aston Villa news . UK domain.Well if it's not ITK then it's misleading with this 'Aston Villa News' website . It's .co.uk as well. Why so quick to dismiss it when the address is Aston Villa?
I'm not familiar with Peter Lynch. But maybe one to keep an eye on if other news outlets start running the story.
What on earth has the fucking domain name got to do with anything. I could register astonvillaguaranteedtransfernews.co.uk in about five minutes for a few quid and put on there that we're signing the corpse of Richard III.
I've done further research, and the trust domain score is 7 out of 100, I've a good mind to report it, but it wasn't asking for any details so seems they are making money another way.
You have to be weary of those things, though unfortunately, I believed things several times on text messages regarding delivery links. When all was resolved, I was advised by security and law services to only trust websites ending in the UK when recieving text for missed deliveries or collections of parcels. Extremely disgusting behaviour.
Ok, so then this is somewhat different, but it doesn't help then when these clickbait websites are just trying to drive traffic they tarnish TLDs
I removed the news item as it seems the source isn't helpful or reliable.
Apologies.
Post by: Bad English on November 03, 2023, 08:42:30 PM
Edit..Not Mayotte.
Post by: OCD on November 04, 2023, 03:21:14 PM
Looks useful. Only turned 18 in August. Might be starting to see Monchi identifying players like this now he's had chance to assess everything. Obligatory YouTube video -
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 04, 2023, 07:57:53 PM
Half of it is the same footage of him scoring / hitting one wide (I can't even remember which), then there's some of him playing the sort of pass Douglas Luiz plays 20 times a match, then the remainder is him playing for their under 15s on a council pitch by the looks of it.
Post by: Dave on November 04, 2023, 08:23:00 PM
Post by: john e on November 04, 2023, 10:31:34 PM
Tonev's is still the one they should all be judged by. Just twelve minutes of him ballooning the ball into the stand from out wide or thirty yards out, as he replicated in his half dozen games for us.
Whatever happened to that space cadet
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 06, 2023, 10:53:54 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on November 08, 2023, 07:07:33 AM
Another loan to cover us from January, which is when I presume he’d return, would be essential.
Post by: AV84 on November 08, 2023, 09:14:14 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 08, 2023, 09:45:17 AM
Denzel Dumfries is the type of right back we would enjoy.
Ah, now he's a legend.
Close associate of Sly and Robbie. Played bass on the African Car Reverser's first album, "Dub Vibration Riddim Selection" but they subsequently went their seperate ways when ACR moved towards a more ska sound.
Tell you what, though, we should get him in and he can also fix the tinny PA at Villa Park, put a proper sound system in place.
There'd be so much bass, roof tiles would be rattling as far away as Tamworth as they read out the line ups pre-match.
Post by: algy on November 08, 2023, 09:54:57 AM
This is what I come to H&V for. ;DDenzel Dumfries is the type of right back we would enjoy.
Ah, now he's a legend.
Close associate of Sly and Robbie. Played bass on the African Car Reverser's first album, "Dub Vibration Riddim Selection" but they subsequently went their seperate ways when ACR moved towards a more ska sound.
Tell you what, though, we should get him in and he can also fix the tinny PA at Villa Park, put a proper sound system in place.
There'd be so much bass, roof tiles would be rattling as far away as Tamworth as they read out the line ups pre-match.
Post by: Lsvilla on November 08, 2023, 10:28:24 AM
Why would they care how much he's playing? It's not like he's a young kid they sent on loan to develop. Unless they were hoping he'd be on display for a season and they'd be able to sell him, either to us or someone else, in the summer.That's exactly why. Although they can do one. It's not our job to protect the value of their unwanted assets.
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2023, 11:05:43 AM
Why would they care how much he's playing? It's not like he's a young kid they sent on loan to develop. Unless they were hoping he'd be on display for a season and they'd be able to sell him, either to us or someone else, in the summer.That's exactly why. Although they can do one. It's not our job to protect the value of their unwanted assets.
It's also not our fault if they seriously thought he was going to dislodge Konsa, Torres or Carlos from the first team.
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2023, 11:08:22 AM
Post by: OCD on November 08, 2023, 11:24:11 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 08, 2023, 12:03:54 PM
This is what I come to H&V for. ;DDenzel Dumfries is the type of right back we would enjoy.
Ah, now he's a legend.
Close associate of Sly and Robbie. Played bass on the African Car Reverser's first album, "Dub Vibration Riddim Selection" but they subsequently went their seperate ways when ACR moved towards a more ska sound.
Tell you what, though, we should get him in and he can also fix the tinny PA at Villa Park, put a proper sound system in place.
There'd be so much bass, roof tiles would be rattling as far away as Tamworth as they read out the line ups pre-match.
Well I'm not quite sure what all that means but must be something about musical arrangements?
Denzel Dumfries is a right back at Inter Milan and a Netherlands international.
But back to relevance reading La Gazzetta dello Sport, Inter are not prepared to consider a sale until they receive a proposal worth €50m (£43.45m)
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 08, 2023, 12:08:52 PM
If Moreno is for and firing we have Lenglet and Pau so not averse to Digne being sold for a big price too.
Emery can then bring his own 2 player in.
Post by: AV84 on November 08, 2023, 12:10:37 PM
Why would they care how much he's playing? It's not like he's a young kid they sent on loan to develop. Unless they were hoping he'd be on display for a season and they'd be able to sell him, either to us or someone else, in the summer.That's exactly why. Although they can do one. It's not our job to protect the value of their unwanted assets.
It's also not our fault if they seriously thought he was going to dislodge Konsa, Torres or Carlos from the first team.
I thought it was fairly obvious when we signed him that he was not so much a panic buy, but it was a reaction to Mings getting injured. It wasn't however a direct replacement for Mings. Maybe he would have got more time if Torres hadn't settled in the league fairly quickly, I don't know. But it felt like he was brought in to be the 4th player in that position.
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2023, 12:12:55 PM
Post by: algy on November 08, 2023, 12:56:37 PM
Yep, felt it was pretty obvious that he was brought in as a direct result of Mings' injury and so he was unlikely to be more than a bit part player.Why would they care how much he's playing? It's not like he's a young kid they sent on loan to develop. Unless they were hoping he'd be on display for a season and they'd be able to sell him, either to us or someone else, in the summer.That's exactly why. Although they can do one. It's not our job to protect the value of their unwanted assets.
It's also not our fault if they seriously thought he was going to dislodge Konsa, Torres or Carlos from the first team.
I thought it was fairly obvious when we signed him that he was not so much a panic buy, but it was a reaction to Mings getting injured. It wasn't however a direct replacement for Mings. Maybe he would have got more time if Torres hadn't settled in the league fairly quickly, I don't know. But it felt like he was brought in to be the 4th player in that position.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on November 08, 2023, 01:47:59 PM
Why would they care how much he's playing? It's not like he's a young kid they sent on loan to develop. Unless they were hoping he'd be on display for a season and they'd be able to sell him, either to us or someone else, in the summer.I think you've answered your own question. They are skint and might have hoped that playing in the PL would increase both the probability of being able to sell him and his value.
The loan and his limited involvement he is getting now is covering their costs when they might hope to get some cash in. UTV.
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 08, 2023, 02:28:10 PM
This is what I come to H&V for. ;DDenzel Dumfries is the type of right back we would enjoy.
Ah, now he's a legend.
Close associate of Sly and Robbie. Played bass on the African Car Reverser's first album, "Dub Vibration Riddim Selection" but they subsequently went their seperate ways when ACR moved towards a more ska sound.
Tell you what, though, we should get him in and he can also fix the tinny PA at Villa Park, put a proper sound system in place.
There'd be so much bass, roof tiles would be rattling as far away as Tamworth as they read out the line ups pre-match.
Well I'm not quite sure what all that means but must be something about musical arrangements?
Denzel Dumfries is a right back at Inter Milan and a Netherlands international.
But back to relevance reading La Gazzetta dello Sport, Inter are not prepared to consider a sale until they receive a proposal worth €50m (£43.45m)
Dumfries pace & power would be welcome, but I don't think he has the technical ability to play in an Unai Emery back four...
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2023, 02:35:15 PM
Well James Jamerson and Bob Babbit are long gone but I think Mark King is still knocking about
Post by: coreyfeldman on November 08, 2023, 02:59:19 PM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 08, 2023, 04:00:09 PM
Hear hear!!!This is what I come to H&V for. ;DDenzel Dumfries is the type of right back we would enjoy.
Ah, now he's a legend.
Close associate of Sly and Robbie. Played bass on the African Car Reverser's first album, "Dub Vibration Riddim Selection" but they subsequently went their seperate ways when ACR moved towards a more ska sound.
Tell you what, though, we should get him in and he can also fix the tinny PA at Villa Park, put a proper sound system in place.
There'd be so much bass, roof tiles would be rattling as far away as Tamworth as they read out the line ups pre-match.
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 08, 2023, 04:09:53 PM
Dumfries gets 10+ goal contributions a season so not sure which technical aspect you're on about really.
His close control & ball retention under pressure.
He's a decent footballer, & I didn't say otherwise, I just don't think he is the right fit for our team.
Especially for the price that Footy quoted anyway.
In my humble opinion, of course...
Post by: eamonn on November 09, 2023, 01:27:35 AM
Dumfries gets 10+ goal contributions a season so not sure which technical aspect you're on about really.
His syncopation and off-beats are whack.
Post by: AV84 on November 12, 2023, 11:57:25 AM
Ignoring whether it's likely to happen or not, based on what they paid for Rice, Dougie has to be worth £100mil, at least. He doesn't have the English tax, but there's January tax to consider.
They paid £65mil for Havertz, who has never been anywhere near as good as Dougie. So again, you'd have to think £100mil, minimum selling price.
Post by: Garyth on November 12, 2023, 12:11:25 PM
Hear hear!!!This is what I come to H&V for. ;D
Ah, now he's a legend.
Close associate of Sly and Robbie. Played bass on the African Car Reverser's first album, "Dub Vibration Riddim Selection" but they subsequently went their seperate ways when ACR moved towards a more ska sound.
Tell you what, though, we should get him in and he can also fix the tinny PA at Villa Park, put a proper sound system in place.
There'd be so much bass, roof tiles would be rattling as far away as Tamworth as they read out the line ups pre-match.
Pure H&V goodness.
Post by: Rigadon on November 12, 2023, 12:33:01 PM
Loads of paper talk again about Arsenal making Dougie their #1 target in January.
Ignoring whether it's likely to happen or not, based on what they paid for Rice, Dougie has to be worth £100mil, at least. He doesn't have the English tax, but there's January tax to consider.
They paid £65mil for Havertz, who has never been anywhere near as good as Dougie. So again, you'd have to think £100mil, minimum selling price.
I would hope that we've already told them to piss off. People need to realise that a move to Arsenal isn't a step up anymore. We aren't a Brighton or West Ham having a good season.
Actually, I'd like us to offer them £100m for Saka. Make it nice and public.
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2023, 12:35:21 PM
Loads of paper talk again about Arsenal making Dougie their #1 target in January.
Ignoring whether it's likely to happen or not, based on what they paid for Rice, Dougie has to be worth £100mil, at least. He doesn't have the English tax, but there's January tax to consider.
They paid £65mil for Havertz, who has never been anywhere near as good as Dougie. So again, you'd have to think £100mil, minimum selling price.
I would hope that we've already told them to piss off. People need to realise that a move to Arsenal isn't a step up anymore. We aren't a Brighton or West Ham having a good season.
Actually, I'd like us to offer them £100m for Saka. Make it nice and public.
Declan Rice, then do a Man City and never play him.
Post by: AV84 on November 12, 2023, 12:37:22 PM
I would hope that we've already told them to piss off. People need to realise that a move to Arsenal isn't a step up anymore. We aren't a Brighton or West Ham having a good season.
Actually, I'd like us to offer them £100m for Saka. Make it nice and public.
I'm really just interested in what they'd offer for him. As I said, they paid huge for Rice, who has been good, but has he been as good as Dougie? I don't know how he would feel himself about it, but if there's no release clause, and he would like to move, we should be able to set the price, and I'd expect us to absolutely fleece them.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 12, 2023, 12:43:20 PM
they can have the Donk thou
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 12, 2023, 01:00:16 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 12, 2023, 01:04:00 PM
Sometimes I wonder if there's any other top club whose supporters are so quick to put a price on their best players.
I know. It’s like as soon as one of our gets to a certain point of achievement they are already selling them. Or if they get to represent their country it’s inevitable only ours who get tapped up. Especially England.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 12, 2023, 01:07:49 PM
He had less than a year left on his deal and Slippy was of course leaving him constantly on the bench so he had far more leverage than other players to play up.
He didn't, kept his head down and signed a new deal a month later.
I think he's very happy here and being back in the Brazil squad will help with that. Would help getting CL qualification though and then I imagine we'll offer him a new deal next summer.
Post by: AV84 on November 12, 2023, 01:12:21 PM
So purely out of curiosity, and based off them spending about £180k on 2 midfielders in the summer, I'm wondering what price they'd offer, and what price we'd be looking for in the hypothetical situation that he was to want to go.
Post by: Rigadon on November 12, 2023, 01:21:55 PM
Loads of paper talk again about Arsenal making Dougie their #1 target in January.
Ignoring whether it's likely to happen or not, based on what they paid for Rice, Dougie has to be worth £100mil, at least. He doesn't have the English tax, but there's January tax to consider.
They paid £65mil for Havertz, who has never been anywhere near as good as Dougie. So again, you'd have to think £100mil, minimum selling price.
I would hope that we've already told them to piss off. People need to realise that a move to Arsenal isn't a step up anymore. We aren't a Brighton or West Ham having a good season.
Actually, I'd like us to offer them £100m for Saka. Make it nice and public.
Declan Rice, then do a Man City and never play him.
Fuck it, we'll have both.
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 12, 2023, 01:24:25 PM
Sometimes I wonder if there's any other top club whose supporters are so quick to put a price on their best players.
I know. It’s like as soon as one of our gets to a certain point of achievement they are already selling them. Or if they get to represent their country it’s inevitable only ours who get tapped up. Especially England.
Because international footballers only ever speak to each other when they get called up.
Post by: Steve67 on November 12, 2023, 01:25:36 PM
Post by: Rigadon on November 12, 2023, 01:29:44 PM
Post by: Beard82 on November 12, 2023, 01:30:36 PM
Hopefully, there is no release clause for Douglas Luiz. I wouldn't want to sell him anyway and he's a very valuable player these days. Worth a monstrous fee to Villa and anyone who might want him.This is the only thing that I am worried about. I think hes happy here - and the club wont want to sell him unless they have no choice. But he would have been in a very strong position when negotiating last season. Though I would expect if there is a release clause then we would be working hard to get it removed.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 12, 2023, 01:30:59 PM
Post by: AV84 on November 12, 2023, 01:33:09 PM
This is the only thing that I am worried about. I think hes happy here - and the club wont want to sell him unless they have no choice. But he would have been in a very strong position when negotiating last season. Though I would expect if there is a release clause then we would be working hard to get it removed.
There was talk a few weeks ago that we were going to open new contract talks with him after Christmas. They were dismissed as nonsense because he only signed a new deal last October. But an awful lot has changed since last October.
Post by: IFWaters on November 12, 2023, 01:49:33 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 12, 2023, 02:16:15 PM
Post by: john e on November 12, 2023, 06:18:08 PM
no one’s selling him but we can talk about values because that’s the reason it won’t get off the ground
Arsenal won’t see him at more than 70m and we will laugh
Post by: DrGonzo on November 12, 2023, 06:22:26 PM
Post by: AV84 on November 12, 2023, 06:28:24 PM
Arsenal won’t see him at more than 70m and we will laugh
Yes. This was my reason for bringing it up. Based on their recent purchases, and how good Dougie is, they should be looking at a big offer if they expect us to even consider it. However, I fully believe they'd come in with something ridiculously low, and I'd almost love to see it just so we could all laugh at them.
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 12, 2023, 07:03:45 PM
He is not for sale...
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 12, 2023, 08:33:50 PM
Arsenal won’t see him at more than 70m and we will laugh
Yes. This was my reason for bringing it up. Based on their recent purchases, and how good Dougie is, they should be looking at a big offer if they expect us to even consider it. However, I fully believe they'd come in with something ridiculously low, and I'd almost love to see it just so we could all laugh at them.
They offered about 20m in August 2022 didn't they? Back then he wasn't even getting in the team under you know who and he had less than 12 months on his deal so they probably sensed a chance at getting him for a bargain price in bizarre circumstances.
His value is probably four times that now but no harm in giving him another deal in the next six months.
Post by: AV84 on November 12, 2023, 08:54:45 PM
If things carry on as they have been and we stay in the mix in the league, I see no reason why he'd want to leave in the summer either. But worst case scenario, the wheels come off and we slip down the table, we would be in a position to demand big money if Arsenal were to come knocking again in the summer.
Arsenal were apparently eyeing up Neto from Wolves too. His recent injury might have ended that interest, but if he's back in action by them maybe they'll just go for him anyway.
Post by: VillaTim on November 12, 2023, 09:02:02 PM
We also need a RB upgrade on Cash
I'm sure Emery already knows this and has unleashed Monchi to find them
Post by: AV84 on November 12, 2023, 09:09:01 PM
I'd be happy to keep him, even on his supposed big wages. It might come down to whether Moreno gets straight back into the team and if Digne is happy to play a less prominent role.
He's done himself and us no harm if he does move on in January, or in the summer. I'd imagine he may have a few more offers on the table, and we might get a bit more for him.
Post by: brontebilly on November 12, 2023, 09:10:07 PM
I wonder what the plan is for Digne now. By all accounts he had his bags packed and one foot out the door when the Acuña deal fell through.
I'd be happy to keep him, even on his supposed big wages. It might come down to whether Moreno gets straight back into the team and if Digne is happy to play a less prominent role.
He's done himself and us no harm if he does move on in January, or in the summer. I'd imagine he may have a few more offers on the table, and we might get a bit more for him.
He'll stay until the end of the season now anyway. Moreno has a job on his hands to get his spot back.
Post by: Smirker on November 12, 2023, 09:37:12 PM
Post by: Bad English on November 12, 2023, 09:38:24 PM
My Arsenal supporting friend said Douglas is a penalty merchant and not worth even 30m.OK Tarquin!
Post by: Mellin on November 12, 2023, 10:00:00 PM
My Arsenal supporting friend said Douglas is a penalty merchant and not worth even 30m.
Just heed the warning and never listen to any opinion they have on anything ever again.
Post by: AV84 on November 12, 2023, 10:14:14 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on November 12, 2023, 10:38:19 PM
Fuck Arsenal.
He is not for sale...
We should be looking at competing with Arsenal over the next few years to be honest rather than selling any players to them.
Post by: Dave on November 12, 2023, 10:39:19 PM
My Arsenal supporting friend said Douglas is a penalty merchant and not worth even 30m.
I for one, completely agree with him and hope he and his fellow patrons make this strength of feeling known to the Arsenal board.
They should go and look at a much better player like Bruno Guimares or whichever 17 year old Brighton are now playing there.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on November 12, 2023, 10:39:42 PM
My Arsenal supporting friend said Douglas is a penalty merchant and not worth even 30m.
Great, let’s hope the Arsenal hierarchy think the same.
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 12, 2023, 10:48:14 PM
My Arsenal supporting friend said Douglas is a penalty merchant and not worth even 30m.
Great, let’s hope the Arsenal hierarchy think the same.
Why should we bother about what Arsenal think of our players?
Post by: Dave on November 12, 2023, 10:54:33 PM
My Arsenal supporting friend said Douglas is a penalty merchant and not worth even 30m.
Great, let’s hope the Arsenal hierarchy think the same.
Why should we bother about what Arsenal think of our players?
Because if they think he's worth £150m then we'd sell him to them.
And if they think he's worth £50m then we wouldn't.
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2023, 11:01:47 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on November 12, 2023, 11:03:14 PM
My Arsenal supporting friend said Douglas is a penalty merchant and not worth even 30m.
Great, let’s hope the Arsenal hierarchy think the same.
Why should we bother about what Arsenal think of our players?
Because it’s a transfer rumours thread and whether true or not he’s regularly linked with Arsenal and what Dave said!
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2023, 11:04:25 PM
They might think he's worth £150m, but have they got £150m?
They've spent a lot this summer and they still haven't got a decent keeper, the twats.
Post by: Dave on November 12, 2023, 11:09:33 PM
They might think he's worth £150m, but have they got £150m?
Doesn't really matter. And I don't think they'd value him at even half of my figure of choice. And as I've said before, if Arsenal were to chuck an entire transfer budget at us, they need Watkins more than DL, even if DL is the better player.
Just pointing out why the figure that any club might value any of our players at is something that might have an impact on our future.
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 12, 2023, 11:18:17 PM
My Arsenal supporting friend said Douglas is a penalty merchant and not worth even 30m.
Great, let’s hope the Arsenal hierarchy think the same.
Why should we bother about what Arsenal think of our players?
Because if they think he's worth £150m then we'd sell him to them.
And if they think he's worth £50m then we wouldn't.
Or we might have learned from Ratboy and realised that a player so important to us is not for sale.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on November 12, 2023, 11:19:33 PM
They might think he's worth £150m, but have they got £150m?
They've spent a lot this summer and they still haven't got a decent keeper, the twats.
I wouldn’t think they’d value Doug anywhere near that, I reckon something between Smirkers mates £30m and £60m which is way below what we value him. We won’t know until it happens ( hopefully not) but is the reason for the release clause rumour just because he signed a new deal rather than taking, the perceived, easier option of leaving?
Post by: Dave on November 12, 2023, 11:30:05 PM
My Arsenal supporting friend said Douglas is a penalty merchant and not worth even 30m.
Great, let’s hope the Arsenal hierarchy think the same.
Why should we bother about what Arsenal think of our players?
Because if they think he's worth £150m then we'd sell him to them.
And if they think he's worth £50m then we wouldn't.
Or we might have learned from Ratboy and realised that a player so important to us is not for sale.
"Not for sale" isn't a thing that exists for any club, least of all ours. It's just the latest version of "Grealish says he's staying, he's a boyhood fan and it's all different this time". It wasn't different that time, and it won't be different next time.
Everything is great at moment, I don't think DL is going anywhere anytime soon, and if he were, it wouldn't be to Arsenal and it wouldn't be in January.
But it's hardly heretical to suggest that there is a scenario that he doesn't see the next ten years of his career with us, and that nothing could possibly happen that might mean we choose to sell him if it were deemed to be in our interest.
Post by: danno on November 12, 2023, 11:33:48 PM
Post by: AV84 on November 13, 2023, 12:01:30 AM
I wouldn’t think they’d value Doug anywhere near that, I reckon something between Smirkers mates £30m and £60m which is way below what we value him. We won’t know until it happens ( hopefully not) but is the reason for the release clause rumour just because he signed a new deal rather than taking, the perceived, easier option of leaving?
I don't know if there is a release clause or not. I mentioned it earlier only because I was speculating about how much they'd offer for him, which is only relevant if there isn't a release clause.
He signed his new deal last October, when we were just above relegation and about to sack Gerrard. If there is a release clause, negotiated then, I would imagine it's not very high. Which is another reason we probably should be looking at another new contract now.
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 13, 2023, 12:01:34 AM
My Arsenal supporting friend said Douglas is a penalty merchant and not worth even 30m.
Great, let’s hope the Arsenal hierarchy think the same.
Why should we bother about what Arsenal think of our players?
Because if they think he's worth £150m then we'd sell him to them.
And if they think he's worth £50m then we wouldn't.
Or we might have learned from Ratboy and realised that a player so important to us is not for sale.
"Not for sale" isn't a thing that exists for any club, least of all ours. It's just the latest version of "Grealish says he's staying, he's a boyhood fan and it's all different this time". It wasn't different that time, and it won't be different next time.
Everything is great at moment, I don't think DL is going anywhere anytime soon, and if he were, it wouldn't be to Arsenal and it wouldn't be in January.
But it's hardly heretical to suggest that there is a scenario that he doesn't see the next ten years of his career with us, and that nothing could possibly happen that might mean we choose to sell him if it were deemed to be in our interest.
Which is a bit different from "Let's hope they don't want him". Let's stop worrying what other clubs want.
Post by: VillaTim on November 13, 2023, 12:05:13 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 13, 2023, 12:08:15 AM
Post by: AV84 on November 13, 2023, 12:11:18 AM
Wasn't Watkins agent supposedly talking to Arsenal's head of something a few weeks ago, and then he signed a new contract. Could be the same thing now.
Post by: LeonW on November 13, 2023, 03:14:16 AM
My Arsenal supporting friend said Douglas is a penalty merchant and not worth even 30m.
Great, let’s hope the Arsenal hierarchy think the same.
Why should we bother about what Arsenal think of our players?
Because if they think he's worth £150m then we'd sell him to them.
And if they think he's worth £50m then we wouldn't.
Or we might have learned from Ratboy and realised that a player so important to us is not for sale.
Although it should be said we did quite well getting £100m for that sideways passing merchant, p*sshead. We also did quite well getting £25m from Chelsea for that chuck fella who has done the square route of f*ck all in a year and a half. It could be said that we’ve got a lot better at selling players in recent times.
Post by: nigel on November 13, 2023, 08:58:35 AM
I wonder what the plan is for Digne now. By all accounts he had his bags packed and one foot out the door when the Acuña deal fell through.
I'd be happy to keep him, even on his supposed big wages. It might come down to whether Moreno gets straight back into the team and if Digne is happy to play a less prominent role.
He's done himself and us no harm if he does move on in January, or in the summer. I'd imagine he may have a few more offers on the table, and we might get a bit more for him.
He'll stay until the end of the season now anyway. Moreno has a job on his hands to get his spot back.
Agree
Digne has really upped his game since Moreno’s injury, so wouldn’t be surprised to see him stay
Post by: Drummond on November 13, 2023, 10:49:53 AM
As for Emile Smith-Rowe? haha. Maybe as a squad player but I can see him going somewhere like Brentford or Palace if he actually leaves his boyhood club.
Post by: AV84 on November 13, 2023, 10:56:56 AM
As for Emile Smith-Rowe? haha. Maybe as a squad player but I can see him going somewhere like Brentford or Palace if he actually leaves his boyhood club.
I wouldn't mind having him but he'd probably be in much the same position as he is at Arsenal. Maybe he'd see a bit more game time with us but he's not displacing any of Luiz, McGinn, Kamara, Ramsey or Diaby for a starting spot. So if he wants to leave Arsenal to play more regularly, we're not the ones. (Although doesn't he have a pre existing relationship with Emery? We wouldn’t be swapping him for Dougie anyway.)
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 13, 2023, 10:59:12 AM
My Arsenal supporting friend said Douglas is a penalty merchant and not worth even 30m.OK Tarquin!
No offence, but that means that when it comes to football, your Arsenal supporting friend is fucking clueless...
It is quite funny how often the media will link our best players with moves to "bigger" clubs, but then fans of these "bigger" clubs don't want them and think they're not fit to play for them.
Its the age old problem of arrogance mixed with ignorance.
Fuck Arsenal.
He is not for sale...
We should be looking at competing with Arsenal over the next few years to be honest rather than selling any players to them.
Exactly.
I think the owners eyed up Arsenal as a club that we should be targeting to surpass in recent years.
Of course, then Arsenal had a great season recently & that looked a ridiculously far away target when Gerrard was frauding himself out as a manager at our place, but for us to catch up to them in such a short space of time since Emery arrived, especially telling them to go fuck themselves when they came knocking for Douglas Luiz the past few times, is great & says that we should stick to our guns when it comes to our players & try & build on them to surpass clubs who have been frequently above us in recent years.
Post by: Drummond on November 13, 2023, 10:59:40 AM
As for Emile Smith-Rowe? haha. Maybe as a squad player but I can see him going somewhere like Brentford or Palace if he actually leaves his boyhood club.
I wouldn't mind having him but he'd probably be in much the same position as he is at Arsenal. Maybe he'd see a bit more game time with us but he's not displacing any of Luiz, McGinn, Kamara, Ramsey or Diaby for a starting spot. So if he wants to leave Arsenal to play more regularly, we're not the ones. (Although doesn't he have a pre existing relationship with Emery? We wouldn’t be swapping him for Dougie anyway.)
If Emery wanted him, then fine, but I think even Tielemans is ahead of him too.
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 13, 2023, 11:10:37 AM
Which is a bit different from "Let's hope they don't want him". Let's stop worrying what other clubs want.
This.
We have owners who I think would stand their ground if they really don't want to sell.
The only reason Grealish left was due to the engineered manner of his release clause.
As you said, I would have hoped that we have learned from that.
Let other clubs start to worry about what we want from now on...
Post by: algy on November 13, 2023, 11:42:19 AM
Anyway, it's all in the past now. I can't see us selling Dougie in January - we don't need to sell, it'd be far too disruptive, and we'd struggle to replace him. I don't think many players will want to leave then (as opposed to summer) anyway if there's a decent chance they'll pick up a medal with us, which they will if we still look in with a decent shot at the Europa Conference.
IMO it's up to us to stay in contention for the Champions League places for 2024/5. If we're in that, there's little incentive for our better players to seek a move elsewhere, unless it's to one of the teams likely to be bothering the European Cup trophy engravers. Then the next aim will be to be considered amongst that group of clubs.
Post by: Holte L2 on November 13, 2023, 11:50:25 AM
Post by: LeeB on November 13, 2023, 11:55:18 AM
I'd love us to sign Eberechi Eze in January. I think he'd be ideal under Unai.
He signed a new contract last week, good player though.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 13, 2023, 12:03:45 PM
I'd love us to sign Eberechi Eze in January. I think he'd be ideal under Unai.The problem with signing PL based players is clubs want ridiculous fees. Palace will ask for £60m+ for Eze. I think we'll get better value in Europe and think that's where we'll be shopping.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 13, 2023, 12:08:52 PM
As for Emile Smith-Rowe? haha. Maybe as a squad player but I can see him going somewhere like Brentford or Palace if he actually leaves his boyhood club.
Wilshere Mark 2. It was always on the cards though, i was never overly keen on the idea of signing him a couple of years ago.
Post by: Mister E on November 13, 2023, 12:13:13 PM
I've heard it suggested that Nico Williams is still in our sights...I'd love us to sign Eberechi Eze in January. I think he'd be ideal under Unai.The problem with signing PL based players is clubs want ridiculous fees. Palace will ask for £60m+ for Eze. I think we'll get better value in Europe and think that's where we'll be shopping.
Post by: Holte L2 on November 13, 2023, 01:23:06 PM
I'd love us to sign Eberechi Eze in January. I think he'd be ideal under Unai.The problem with signing PL based players is clubs want ridiculous fees. Palace will ask for £60m+ for Eze. I think we'll get better value in Europe and think that's where we'll be shopping.
I think that Eze is that good that £60m+ is more than worth it. Especially considering that he's just signed a new deal.
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 13, 2023, 01:23:53 PM
I've heard it suggested that Nico Williams is still in our sights...I'd love us to sign Eberechi Eze in January. I think he'd be ideal under Unai.The problem with signing PL based players is clubs want ridiculous fees. Palace will ask for £60m+ for Eze. I think we'll get better value in Europe and think that's where we'll be shopping.
I hope so...
Imagine him on one side & Diaby on the other, with Bailey coming off the bench after they have ran the opposition defences ragged...
Post by: Drummond on November 13, 2023, 01:24:48 PM
I've heard it suggested that Nico Williams is still in our sights...I'd love us to sign Eberechi Eze in January. I think he'd be ideal under Unai.The problem with signing PL based players is clubs want ridiculous fees. Palace will ask for £60m+ for Eze. I think we'll get better value in Europe and think that's where we'll be shopping.
Yep, but also that he'd rather stay where he is. Which is part of why I'd want him.
Post by: Clampy on November 13, 2023, 01:28:39 PM
We're in a much stronger position in a number of ways now. We're a win away from the top of the table after 30% of the season. He's on a long contract. He loves it here. We have a proper manager and staff. He's played every game under the manager. We're not desperate for cash. We're going well in Europe and challenging for the Champions League places.
As for Emile Smith-Rowe? haha. Maybe as a squad player but I can see him going somewhere like Brentford or Palace if he actually leaves his boyhood club.
BIt harsh on ESR. He's a very good footballer who i reckon would fit in well. Not at the expense of Doug leaving though.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 13, 2023, 01:36:17 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 13, 2023, 01:40:05 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on November 13, 2023, 05:25:09 PM
Post by: Keeno on November 13, 2023, 05:30:23 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 13, 2023, 06:41:18 PM
Doucoure? To play where?
Holding the door open for the real squad members would be something we could give him as a task. Because he wouldn’t be playing.
Post by: coreyfeldman on November 13, 2023, 07:15:13 PM
Post by: AV84 on November 13, 2023, 07:15:27 PM
For the record, I like Cash, I'm very happy with him, but we definitely need another player for that position, and he should at least be the same level as Cash, which means there's a chance the new guy becomes the starter.
I wouldn't say no to another striker as alternative to Durán to back Ollie up, but again not a position that guarantees a lot of football.
Midfield feels very stacked at the moment. So although I'd like someone like Neto from Wolves, for example, where does he play, who gets bumped from the team for him?
There's a couple of players way down the pecking order that we could clear out and replace with better. But I doubt many high calibre players will want to be 3rd or 4th choice defensive midfielder.
Post by: Somniloquism on November 13, 2023, 10:08:25 PM
As for Emile Smith-Rowe? haha. Maybe as a squad player but I can see him going somewhere like Brentford or Palace if he actually leaves his boyhood club.
Wilshere Mark 2. It was always on the cards though, i was never overly keen on the idea of signing him a couple of years ago.
And it is only because he was linked to us under our last but one manager that they think we are still willing to take him. He is such a "top talent" that he has played 231 minutes over the space of 8 games where he has appeared on the pitch at all.
Post by: AV84 on November 13, 2023, 10:17:53 PM
Post by: IFWaters on November 13, 2023, 10:29:17 PM
Another striker...is Tammy fit yet?
Post by: Dave on November 13, 2023, 10:32:51 PM
Would probably cost about the same as Diaby did though.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 13, 2023, 11:05:49 PM
Frimpong would definitely be that Moreno equivalent for the right.
Would probably cost about the same as Diaby did though.
True, but given how fundamental fullbacks are to how we play, would it be too outrageous an outlay?
Post by: Risso on November 14, 2023, 09:14:15 AM
Replacing dendoncker, as back up
Decent shout that, I quite like him and Onana, the stand out players in a poor team.
Post by: Dave on November 14, 2023, 09:21:51 AM
Frimpong would definitely be that Moreno equivalent for the right.
Would probably cost about the same as Diaby did though.
True, but given how fundamental fullbacks are to how we play, would it be too outrageous an outlay?
Not at all. The way Cash is playing there aren't too many players that would be a definite upgrade, he'd be one of them though.
I'd wonder though if he might end up following Alonso to Madrid though as Carvajal is getting on a bit.
Post by: AV84 on November 14, 2023, 11:09:58 AM
Now, I know we'll always be biased towards our own players, but that seems ridiculously low. Unless it is a case of his last contract having a release clause, and he signed it when we weren't doing particularly well, so £60mil might make sense in that scenario.
They paid about 60 for Havertz in the summer, who hadn't been impressive at Chelsea last season, so how can one of the best players in the league this season be worth the same?
Post by: coreyfeldman on November 14, 2023, 11:23:30 AM
Replacing dendoncker, as back up
Decent shout that, I quite like him and Onana, the stand out players in a poor team.
Exactly. now that Everton are more settled you can see the quality those two have and I wouldn't be surprised to see them both be picked up in the summer.
Post by: Monty on November 14, 2023, 11:23:56 AM
According to the papers today, the ESR offer plus cash, is because Arsenal don't want to pay our evaluation of Luiz, which is £60mil.
Now, I know we'll always be biased towards our own players, but that seems ridiculously low. Unless it is a case of his last contract having a release clause, and he signed it when we weren't doing particularly well, so £60mil might make sense in that scenario.
They paid about 60 for Havertz in the summer, who hadn't been impressive at Chelsea last season, so how can one of the best players in the league this season be worth the same?
It's because every single comma of those stories is bullshit.
Post by: AV84 on November 14, 2023, 11:31:39 AM
It's because every single comma of those stories is bullshit.
I don't know how many times someone needs to say that before they read the posts acknowledging it's probably all nonsense but we're going to talk about it anyway.
Also worth noting that Fabrizio Romano has mentioned Dougie to Arsenal in the last few days. So at the very least something is happening with the player. It may well be his agent angling for a better deal, just like Watkins did before he signed.
Post by: Risso on November 14, 2023, 11:35:23 AM
It's because every single comma of those stories is bullshit.
I don't know how many times someone needs to say that before they read the posts acknowledging it's probably all nonsense but we're going to talk about it anyway.
Also worth noting that Fabrizio Romano has mentioned Dougie to Arsenal in the last few days. So at the very least something is happening with the player. It may well be his agent angling for a better deal, just like Watkins did before he signed.
No, all he said is that Arsenal remain keen on him, which I'm sure they are. Can we please change the subject now?
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 14, 2023, 12:02:29 PM
It's because every single comma of those stories is bullshit.
I don't know how many times someone needs to say that before they read the posts acknowledging it's probably all nonsense but we're going to talk about it anyway.
Also worth noting that Fabrizio Romano has mentioned Dougie to Arsenal in the last few days. So at the very least something is happening with the player. It may well be his agent angling for a better deal, just like Watkins did before he signed.
No, all he said is that Arsenal remain keen on him, which I'm sure they are. Can we please change the subject now?
Yep.
I remain keen on Jennifer Connelly, but the chances of either happening are pretty slim...
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 14, 2023, 12:04:51 PM
Another RB....Frimpong from Leverkusen?
Another striker...is Tammy fit yet?
Frimpong is a good shout.
Rico Lewis from ManC might be a decent option, if they were prepared to let him leave on a permanent deal.
Always difficult to purchase young players from the likes of ManC without stupid terms that favour them though.
But it worked with Douglas Luiz, so worth a look...
Festy Ebosele from Udinese is another option. Ridiculous pace & strength. Fantastic running with the ball.
If we are going the more defensive route for the RB, then one of Lutsharel Geertruida or Jeremiah St. Juste.
Both pacy, both comfortable on the ball & both versatile enough to play RB, CB & CDM.
Post by: olaftab on November 14, 2023, 12:11:59 PM
Post by: TonyD on November 14, 2023, 12:15:03 PM
If Emi is injured or suspended we are screwed.
Post by: tomd2103 on November 14, 2023, 12:15:15 PM
Another RB....Frimpong from Leverkusen?
Another striker...is Tammy fit yet?
Frimpong is a good shout.
Rico Lewis from ManC might be a decent option, if they were prepared to let him leave on a permanent deal.
Always difficult to purchase young players from the likes of ManC without stupid terms that favour them though.
But it worked with Douglas Luiz, so worth a look...
Festy Ebosele from Udinese is another option. Ridiculous pace & strength. Fantastic running with the ball.
If we are going the more defensive route for the RB, then one of Lutsharel Geertruida or Jeremiah St. Juste.
Both pacy, both comfortable on the ball & both versatile enough to play RB, CB & CDM.
Are there still any links to the Argentine RB?
Post by: AV84 on November 14, 2023, 12:16:21 PM
It's because every single comma of those stories is bullshit.
I don't know how many times someone needs to say that before they read the posts acknowledging it's probably all nonsense but we're going to talk about it anyway.
Also worth noting that Fabrizio Romano has mentioned Dougie to Arsenal in the last few days. So at the very least something is happening with the player. It may well be his agent angling for a better deal, just like Watkins did before he signed.
No, all he said is that Arsenal remain keen on him, which I'm sure they are. Can we please change the subject now?
You're saying no and then repeating what I said. Read the posts you're replying to before you reply. Or better yet, don't reply to conversations you so obviously don't want to be a part of.
Post by: Monty on November 14, 2023, 12:25:43 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 14, 2023, 12:34:03 PM
Another RB....Frimpong from Leverkusen?
Another striker...is Tammy fit yet?
Frimpong is a good shout.
Rico Lewis from ManC might be a decent option, if they were prepared to let him leave on a permanent deal.
Always difficult to purchase young players from the likes of ManC without stupid terms that favour them though.
But it worked with Douglas Luiz, so worth a look...
Festy Ebosele from Udinese is another option. Ridiculous pace & strength. Fantastic running with the ball.
If we are going the more defensive route for the RB, then one of Lutsharel Geertruida or Jeremiah St. Juste.
Both pacy, both comfortable on the ball & both versatile enough to play RB, CB & CDM.
Are there still any links to the Argentine RB?
Acuna?
He is a LB...
Post by: AV84 on November 14, 2023, 12:35:28 PM
Mate, I wasn't having a go! Just voicing my opinion on news stories claiming to know we'd sell Douglas Luiz, arguably our most important player, for the same fee Arsenal paid for Kai Havertz.
Fair enough, I suppose we're in agreement on that. My only interest in this "story" is in terms of how much he's actually worth as a player.
Post by: OCD on November 14, 2023, 01:36:32 PM
Another RB....Frimpong from Leverkusen?
Another striker...is Tammy fit yet?
Frimpong is a good shout.
Rico Lewis from ManC might be a decent option, if they were prepared to let him leave on a permanent deal.
Always difficult to purchase young players from the likes of ManC without stupid terms that favour them though.
But it worked with Douglas Luiz, so worth a look...
Festy Ebosele from Udinese is another option. Ridiculous pace & strength. Fantastic running with the ball.
If we are going the more defensive route for the RB, then one of Lutsharel Geertruida or Jeremiah St. Juste.
Both pacy, both comfortable on the ball & both versatile enough to play RB, CB & CDM.
Are there still any links to the Argentine RB?
Acuna?
He is a LB...
Nahuel Molina?
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 14, 2023, 01:48:02 PM
Nahuel Molina?
I have never heard of him tbh, so missed that link.
If thats who Tom was mentioning, I retract my comment... 👍😉
Post by: The Charmer on November 14, 2023, 01:51:20 PM
Such a cool name!
Post by: AV84 on November 14, 2023, 01:54:18 PM
We were mildly linked to him last summer but he's being linked with Man Utd now. Currently he's at Nice. I'll say no more.
Post by: CT Villan on November 14, 2023, 02:04:42 PM
We definitely need competition for Cash and Watkins. Not so keen on Tammy now but I wonder if AZ's Pavlidis would be a decent option given he may not get too much game time. I'd also send Zaniolo back to Turkey.
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 14, 2023, 02:09:07 PM
I'd quite like us to sign Jeremiah St. Juste even though I know nothing about him.
Such a cool name!
He is ridiculously fast.
I quite like the kid at Galatasaray too. Sacha Boey. I think we could get him for a reasonable price & at 22, he has years to grow into his potential...
Post by: Risso on November 14, 2023, 02:16:40 PM
It's because every single comma of those stories is bullshit.
I don't know how many times someone needs to say that before they read the posts acknowledging it's probably all nonsense but we're going to talk about it anyway.
Also worth noting that Fabrizio Romano has mentioned Dougie to Arsenal in the last few days. So at the very least something is happening with the player. It may well be his agent angling for a better deal, just like Watkins did before he signed.
No, all he said is that Arsenal remain keen on him, which I'm sure they are. Can we please change the subject now?
You're saying no and then repeating what I said. Read the posts you're replying to before you reply. Or better yet, don't reply to conversations you so obviously don't want to be a part of.
Even better, read your own posts back. "So at the very least something is happening with the player." No it isn't, it's just a reporter saying that Arsenal remain keen. But you keep on talking about Luiz being sold if it makes you happy, makes a change from meltdowns about Wayne Routledge I guess.
Post by: OCD on November 14, 2023, 02:32:13 PM
Nahuel Molina?
I have never heard of him tbh, so missed that link.
If thats who Tom was mentioning, I retract my comment... 👍😉
Atletico Madrid right back. One of the poster's on here who's had good information before said that we're keen on him. He's got a Transfermarkt valuation of €50m but a £26m release clause in his contract.
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 14, 2023, 02:49:00 PM
I like Walker-Peters at Soton as well as back up to Cash
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 14, 2023, 02:49:50 PM
Post by: Risso on November 14, 2023, 03:08:07 PM
A good December would be nice, it might help entice some of our more ambitious targets if we're comfortably top 4 or 5, come Jan 1.
Agreed, if we're still looking like realistic Champions League place contenders then it takes away one possible reason for anybody leaving, and might be a factor in helping to entice one or two other bigger names to join.
Post by: AV84 on November 14, 2023, 03:09:38 PM
Even better, read your own posts back. "So at the very least something is happening with the player." No it isn't, it's just a reporter saying that Arsenal remain keen. But you keep on talking about Luiz being sold if it makes you happy, makes a change from meltdowns about Wayne Routledge I guess.
Romano has said that his info comes mainly directly from players/clubs/agents and it is usually because someone is trying to engineer something. There's talk we want to open negotiations about a new contract with Luiz too, and just like Watkins' agent was "seen" talking to someone from Arsenal in the weeks before he signed his new deal, it's not a huge leap to think that the Arsenal talk is being used by someone to leverage something else.
I'm not talking about him being sold either, as I've said repeatedly.
I don't think I've ever said the name Wayne Routledge never mind had a meltdown about him so I've no idea who or what that is aimed at.
Post by: AV84 on November 14, 2023, 03:16:54 PM
Not so keen on Tammy now but I wonder if AZ's Pavlidis would be a decent option given he may not get too much game time.
He's been linked with West Ham quite a bit lately. Antonio seems to be on the way out one way or another and Paqueta to Man City still seems to be a possibility.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 14, 2023, 03:18:42 PM
Even better, read your own posts back. "So at the very least something is happening with the player." No it isn't, it's just a reporter saying that Arsenal remain keen. But you keep on talking about Luiz being sold if it makes you happy, makes a change from meltdowns about Wayne Routledge I guess.
Romano has said that his info comes mainly directly from players/clubs/agents and it is usually because someone is trying to engineer something. There's talk we want to open negotiations about a new contract with Luiz too, and just like Watkins' agent was "seen" talking to someone from Arsenal in the weeks before he signed his new deal, it's not a huge leap to think that the Arsenal talk is being used by someone to leverage something else.
I'm not talking about him being sold either, as I've said repeatedly.
I don't think I've ever said the name Wayne Routledge never mind had a meltdown about him so I've no idea who or what that is aimed at.
Out of interest, have you ever been on here before under a different login?
Post by: AV84 on November 14, 2023, 03:27:30 PM
Even better, read your own posts back. "So at the very least something is happening with the player." No it isn't, it's just a reporter saying that Arsenal remain keen. But you keep on talking about Luiz being sold if it makes you happy, makes a change from meltdowns about Wayne Routledge I guess.
Romano has said that his info comes mainly directly from players/clubs/agents and it is usually because someone is trying to engineer something. There's talk we want to open negotiations about a new contract with Luiz too, and just like Watkins' agent was "seen" talking to someone from Arsenal in the weeks before he signed his new deal, it's not a huge leap to think that the Arsenal talk is being used by someone to leverage something else.
I'm not talking about him being sold either, as I've said repeatedly.
I don't think I've ever said the name Wayne Routledge never mind had a meltdown about him so I've no idea who or what that is aimed at.
Out of interest, have you ever been on here before under a different login?
No. And I don't appreciate the implications of that.
Post by: Ger Regan on November 14, 2023, 03:55:15 PM
Post by: AV84 on November 14, 2023, 04:03:46 PM
Would love us to try and get Sam Curtis from St. Pat's. Looks to be a real prospect, only turning 18 in December and already has over 60 senior appearances.
By the sounds of it there's a fair few clubs interested in him, us included.
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 14, 2023, 04:05:40 PM
Would love us to try and get Sam Curtis from St. Pat's. Looks to be a real prospect, only turning 18 in December and already has over 60 senior appearances.
For the academy or the first team?
If Im thinking of the right kid, he's very energetic, has a bit of pace & is pretty versatile?
I watch a few games from Ireland when they put them on Sky, but its few & far between, so I might be getting him mixed up...
Post by: 85kota on November 14, 2023, 06:04:05 PM
Even better, read your own posts back. "So at the very least something is happening with the player." No it isn't, it's just a reporter saying that Arsenal remain keen. But you keep on talking about Luiz being sold if it makes you happy, makes a change from meltdowns about Wayne Routledge I guess.
Romano has said that his info comes mainly directly from players/clubs/agents and it is usually because someone is trying to engineer something. There's talk we want to open negotiations about a new contract with Luiz too, and just like Watkins' agent was "seen" talking to someone from Arsenal in the weeks before he signed his new deal, it's not a huge leap to think that the Arsenal talk is being used by someone to leverage something else.
I'm not talking about him being sold either, as I've said repeatedly.
I don't think I've ever said the name Wayne Routledge never mind had a meltdown about him so I've no idea who or what that is aimed at.
Fully agree. I don't see the problem in discussing a players value. It doesn't mean you think he will or want him to be sold. That shouldn't be difficult to understand or mean you are fed to the sharks.
Post by: TelfordVilla on November 14, 2023, 06:27:40 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 14, 2023, 06:50:34 PM
From our perspective, Douglas Luiz would be worth more than what Arsenal paid for Declan Rice because he is a better footballer than Declan Rice. Plus, there is the add on because we don't want to sell. If the player forces the move, we then are looking at over £125m.
Now, is the player worth that?
Fuck no.
No footballer is worth £125m.
But is he worth that to Villa?
Fuck yes...
Because we don't want to sell him to Arsenal, or anybody...
Post by: OCD on November 14, 2023, 07:09:32 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 14, 2023, 07:14:45 PM
Even better, read your own posts back. "So at the very least something is happening with the player." No it isn't, it's just a reporter saying that Arsenal remain keen. But you keep on talking about Luiz being sold if it makes you happy, makes a change from meltdowns about Wayne Routledge I guess.
Romano has said that his info comes mainly directly from players/clubs/agents and it is usually because someone is trying to engineer something. There's talk we want to open negotiations about a new contract with Luiz too, and just like Watkins' agent was "seen" talking to someone from Arsenal in the weeks before he signed his new deal, it's not a huge leap to think that the Arsenal talk is being used by someone to leverage something else.
I'm not talking about him being sold either, as I've said repeatedly.
I don't think I've ever said the name Wayne Routledge never mind had a meltdown about him so I've no idea who or what that is aimed at.
Out of interest, have you ever been on here before under a different login?
No. And I don't appreciate the implications of that.
There aren't any implications, I'm just asking you whether you have.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 14, 2023, 07:32:30 PM
Post by: Ger Regan on November 14, 2023, 07:34:09 PM
One for the future for sure but plenty of promise and the right age.Would love us to try and get Sam Curtis from St. Pat's. Looks to be a real prospect, only turning 18 in December and already has over 60 senior appearances.
For the academy or the first team?
If Im thinking of the right kid, he's very energetic, has a bit of pace & is pretty versatile?
I watch a few games from Ireland when they put them on Sky, but its few & far between, so I might be getting him mixed up...
Post by: AV84 on November 14, 2023, 07:43:26 PM
Valuations are incredibly subjective & will swing wildly from what a seller thinks the player is worth to what a purchaser thinks the player is worth.
From our perspective, Douglas Luiz would be worth more than what Arsenal paid for Declan Rice because he is a better footballer than Declan Rice. Plus, there is the add on because we don't want to sell. If the player forces the move, we then are looking at over £125m.
Now, is the player worth that?
Fuck no.
No footballer is worth £125m.
But is he worth that to Villa?
Fuck yes...
Because we don't want to sell him to Arsenal, or anybody...
Well yes, and this is what I posted earlier in the thread. Working off the fact they were interested in him before, and based off what they paid for Rice in the summer, and how Luiz compares to Rice, I was interested to know what they'd actually offer us for him.
For what it's worth, that transfermarket site values Dougie at €55mil, and Emile Smith-Rowe at €30mil.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 14, 2023, 07:53:50 PM
For what it's worth, that transfermarket site values Dougie at €55mil, and Emile Smith-Rowe at €30mil.
I think they're off their trollies on bad drugs if they really think that.
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 14, 2023, 08:11:39 PM
Regarding a right back, won’t it be a more solid version rather than attacking “winger” type. I think Emery prefers that lopsided defence where one fullback slides across to CB which neither Digne or Moreno can do.that's what Kamara has been doing. When Cash goes walkies, Kamara slots in.
Post by: Bad English on November 14, 2023, 08:33:41 PM
"I have never been arrested or indicted for any crime whatsoever; that no proof linking me to any criminal conspiracy whether it is called "Mafia" or "Cosa Nostra" or whatever other name you wish to give has ever been made public. I have not taken refuge behind the 5th amendment, though it is my right to do. I challenge this committee to produce any witness or evidence against me. And if they do not, I hope they will have the decency to clear my name with the same publicity with which they now have besmirched it."
Even better, read your own posts back. "So at the very least something is happening with the player." No it isn't, it's just a reporter saying that Arsenal remain keen. But you keep on talking about Luiz being sold if it makes you happy, makes a change from meltdowns about Wayne Routledge I guess.
Romano has said that his info comes mainly directly from players/clubs/agents and it is usually because someone is trying to engineer something. There's talk we want to open negotiations about a new contract with Luiz too, and just like Watkins' agent was "seen" talking to someone from Arsenal in the weeks before he signed his new deal, it's not a huge leap to think that the Arsenal talk is being used by someone to leverage something else.
I'm not talking about him being sold either, as I've said repeatedly.
I don't think I've ever said the name Wayne Routledge never mind had a meltdown about him so I've no idea who or what that is aimed at.
Out of interest, have you ever been on here before under a different login?
No. And I don't appreciate the implications of that.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 14, 2023, 08:41:20 PM
Valuations are incredibly subjective & will swing wildly from what a seller thinks the player is worth to what a purchaser thinks the player is worth.He is worth whatever is in his release clause.
From our perspective, Douglas Luiz would be worth more than what Arsenal paid for Declan Rice because he is a better footballer than Declan Rice. Plus, there is the add on because we don't want to sell. If the player forces the move, we then are looking at over £125m.
Now, is the player worth that?
Fuck no.
No footballer is worth £125m.
But is he worth that to Villa?
Fuck yes...
Because we don't want to sell him to Arsenal, or anybody...
Post by: OCD on November 14, 2023, 09:03:17 PM
"I have never been arrested or indicted for any crime whatsoever; that no proof linking me to any criminal conspiracy whether it is called "Mafia" or "Cosa Nostra" or whatever other name you wish to give has ever been made public. I have not taken refuge behind the 5th amendment, though it is my right to do. I challenge this committee to produce any witness or evidence against me. And if they do not, I hope they will have the decency to clear my name with the same publicity with which they now have besmirched it."
Even better, read your own posts back. "So at the very least something is happening with the player." No it isn't, it's just a reporter saying that Arsenal remain keen. But you keep on talking about Luiz being sold if it makes you happy, makes a change from meltdowns about Wayne Routledge I guess.
Romano has said that his info comes mainly directly from players/clubs/agents and it is usually because someone is trying to engineer something. There's talk we want to open negotiations about a new contract with Luiz too, and just like Watkins' agent was "seen" talking to someone from Arsenal in the weeks before he signed his new deal, it's not a huge leap to think that the Arsenal talk is being used by someone to leverage something else.
I'm not talking about him being sold either, as I've said repeatedly.
I don't think I've ever said the name Wayne Routledge never mind had a meltdown about him so I've no idea who or what that is aimed at.
Out of interest, have you ever been on here before under a different login?
No. And I don't appreciate the implications of that.
Trump?
Post by: Bad English on November 14, 2023, 09:04:28 PM
Post by: danno on November 14, 2023, 09:05:01 PM
"I have never been arrested or indicted for any crime whatsoever; that no proof linking me to any criminal conspiracy whether it is called "Mafia" or "Cosa Nostra" or whatever other name you wish to give has ever been made public. I have not taken refuge behind the 5th amendment, though it is my right to do. I challenge this committee to produce any witness or evidence against me. And if they do not, I hope they will have the decency to clear my name with the same publicity with which they now have besmirched it."
Even better, read your own posts back. "So at the very least something is happening with the player." No it isn't, it's just a reporter saying that Arsenal remain keen. But you keep on talking about Luiz being sold if it makes you happy, makes a change from meltdowns about Wayne Routledge I guess.
Romano has said that his info comes mainly directly from players/clubs/agents and it is usually because someone is trying to engineer something. There's talk we want to open negotiations about a new contract with Luiz too, and just like Watkins' agent was "seen" talking to someone from Arsenal in the weeks before he signed his new deal, it's not a huge leap to think that the Arsenal talk is being used by someone to leverage something else.
I'm not talking about him being sold either, as I've said repeatedly.
I don't think I've ever said the name Wayne Routledge never mind had a meltdown about him so I've no idea who or what that is aimed at.
Out of interest, have you ever been on here before under a different login?
No. And I don't appreciate the implications of that.
Trump?
So… you’ve not seen The Godfather part two? Good movie.
Post by: OCD on November 14, 2023, 09:05:10 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 14, 2023, 09:08:14 PM
Post by: AV84 on November 14, 2023, 09:21:09 PM
I'd be surprised if any of our players have a release clause valued lower than that of the last one we let escape by that route.
Depends on when the contracts were signed, I suppose. Dougie's was last October while we were 16th(?) and hadn't sacked Gerrard yet. £60mil back then may have been ambitious.
Post by: VillaTim on November 14, 2023, 09:28:03 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 14, 2023, 09:48:54 PM
If Luiz has a release clause I would estimate it at £100m minimum .
I hope it is that region but Doug held all the cards at the time of negotiations so I’d be surprised if it is that high.
Post by: passport1 on November 14, 2023, 09:54:10 PM
Well worth a listen.
Post by: VillaTim on November 14, 2023, 09:57:01 PM
I guess we will find out soon enough. Even if he went I'd trust Emery to improve us , the man is a genius.If Luiz has a release clause I would estimate it at £100m minimum .
I hope it is that region but Doug held all the cards at the time of negotiations so I’d be surprised if it is that high.
Post by: Gareth on November 14, 2023, 10:22:38 PM
If Luiz has a release clause I would estimate it at £100m minimum .
Not a hope, 2 months before he signed the contract he was 50/50 leaving for 20/25m…will be 50/60m tops, that is why we will be discussing a new contract asap
Post by: Dave on November 14, 2023, 10:26:50 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 14, 2023, 10:34:44 PM
Valuations are incredibly subjective & will swing wildly from what a seller thinks the player is worth to what a purchaser thinks the player is worth.He is worth whatever is in his release clause.
From our perspective, Douglas Luiz would be worth more than what Arsenal paid for Declan Rice because he is a better footballer than Declan Rice. Plus, there is the add on because we don't want to sell. If the player forces the move, we then are looking at over £125m.
Now, is the player worth that?
Fuck no.
No footballer is worth £125m.
But is he worth that to Villa?
Fuck yes...
Because we don't want to sell him to Arsenal, or anybody...
Well, of course.
If a player has one...
Post by: tomd2103 on November 14, 2023, 11:21:52 PM
Nahuel Molina?
I have never heard of him tbh, so missed that link.
If thats who Tom was mentioning, I retract my comment... 👍😉
Atletico Madrid right back. One of the poster's on here who's had good information before said that we're keen on him. He's got a Transfermarkt valuation of €50m but a £26m release clause in his contract.
That was the guy. Seen a few links to him in the past few months. From the cursory YouTube highlight packages, he looks just the type of attacking full-back who would fit in to the system we play (though I think Matty Cash has been doing fine recently).
Post by: VillaTim on November 14, 2023, 11:22:33 PM
If there were a clause and he had any interest in going anywhere else, I'm pretty sure its existence would have been whispered to a friendly journalist at some point in the last twelve months.Did that happen with Grealish though ? I think it was kept very concealed for a long time
Post by: AV84 on November 14, 2023, 11:29:46 PM
Post by: VillaTim on November 14, 2023, 11:32:39 PM
Who was the player we were linked with in the summer that had some kind of sexual assault charges hanging over him?Bissouma
Post by: AV84 on November 14, 2023, 11:33:58 PM
Who was the player we were linked with in the summer that had some kind of sexual assault charges hanging over him?Bissouma
No, he was at one of the Spanish teams. Think he might be Argentinan himself.
Edit - Gonzalo Montiel, and he's on loan at Forrest now, so we won't be going back in for him.
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 15, 2023, 09:29:23 AM
That was the guy. Seen a few links to him in the past few months. From the cursory YouTube highlight packages, he looks just the type of attacking full-back who would fit in to the system we play (though I think Matty Cash has been doing fine recently).
Fair enough.
My error regarding the other player at LB.
I will look out for Molina... 👍
Post by: eamonn on November 15, 2023, 09:36:45 AM
If there were a clause and he had any interest in going anywhere else, I'm pretty sure its existence would have been whispered to a friendly journalist at some point in the last twelve months.Did that happen with Grealish though ? I think it was kept very concealed for a long time
It was kept hidden until the move. I remember big arguments on here with certain people convinced that he didn't have one in his contract.
Post by: DrGonzo on November 15, 2023, 09:49:22 AM
If there were a clause and he had any interest in going anywhere else, I'm pretty sure its existence would have been whispered to a friendly journalist at some point in the last twelve months.Did that happen with Grealish though ? I think it was kept very concealed for a long time
It was kept hidden until the move. I remember big arguments on here with certain people convinced that he didn't have one in his contract.
Yes, but they'll argue about wind direction and speed on here XD
Post by: Holy Trinity on November 15, 2023, 12:28:46 PM
We also need to go and find an aging striker to support Ollie I think, a Cavani type of signing who would only be a stop gap for a year or two but would be happy to sit in the bench and be used as an impact player but not kick up a fuss if they don't. We put in some spectacular crosses nowerdays and don't seem to ever have anyone on the end of them.
Post by: OCD on November 15, 2023, 01:59:48 PM
Post by: Mister E on November 15, 2023, 02:08:39 PM
There's a lot of talk today that we've made Duran available for a loan move for the second half of the season. Surely we would only do that if we had another forward coming in?or if he's fallen out with Emery (which would necessitate bringing someone in ...).
Post by: AV84 on November 15, 2023, 02:09:45 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on November 15, 2023, 03:59:51 PM
There's a lot of talk today that we've made Duran available for a loan move for the second half of the season. Surely we would only do that if we had another forward coming in?
Quick google seems to be TeamTalk and Football Insider is the "lot of talk".
Post by: DrGonzo on November 15, 2023, 04:47:54 PM
I'm sure when Zaniolo and Diaby were brought in there was talk about how they could also play as a striker, especially Zaniolo. Maybe with Ramsey back in midfield we'll see Zaniolo deployed as a striker rather than whatever he's doing now.
Zaniolo struggles in his favoured position...there's no way we would go into the 2nd half of the season with those players making up our strike force.
Post by: Monty on November 15, 2023, 04:49:26 PM
I'm sure when Zaniolo and Diaby were brought in there was talk about how they could also play as a striker, especially Zaniolo. Maybe with Ramsey back in midfield we'll see Zaniolo deployed as a striker rather than whatever he's doing now.
Zaniolo struggles in his favoured position...there's no way we would go into the 2nd half of the season with those players making up our strike force.
He's not been playing in his favoured position.
Post by: coreyfeldman on November 15, 2023, 04:54:38 PM
I'm sure when Zaniolo and Diaby were brought in there was talk about how they could also play as a striker, especially Zaniolo. Maybe with Ramsey back in midfield we'll see Zaniolo deployed as a striker rather than whatever he's doing now.
I think when JJ is back we'll see Zaniolo and Diaby swapping and Diaby in Watkins position sometimes too
Post by: OCD on November 15, 2023, 04:54:46 PM
There's a lot of talk today that we've made Duran available for a loan move for the second half of the season. Surely we would only do that if we had another forward coming in?
Quick google seems to be TeamTalk and Football Insider is the "lot of talk".
It's not so much the sources (quick check of the thread title) and more that us sending Duran out on loan for the second half of the season isn't exactly a reach.
Post by: eamonn on November 15, 2023, 10:28:35 PM
There's a lot of talk today that we've made Duran available for a loan move for the second half of the season. Surely we would only do that if we had another forward coming in?
Quick google seems to be TeamTalk and Football Insider is the "lot of talk".
TeamTalk...can't believe I used to pay £1.50 a minute just to hear the latest on Mark Draper's recovery from injury. And then rumbled when the itemised bill came through. Cue my mother's friend "He paid that much just to listen to the latest news about a team that's usually more shite than good?! He may as well have spent it on a chatline...at least he'd have enjoyed himself..."
Post by: VillaTim on November 15, 2023, 10:31:51 PM
Post by: algy on November 15, 2023, 10:46:00 PM
Post by: AV84 on November 15, 2023, 10:48:30 PM
Post by: OCD on November 16, 2023, 11:52:05 AM
Post by: UK Redsox on November 16, 2023, 12:31:03 PM
Lol, Chatline , was that the old 0898 numbers
Helped pay my mortgage for a while did those.
Not, I hasten to add, as a performer. I was just involved in placing the ads in various 'artistic' magazines and crappy newspapers
Post by: Risso on November 16, 2023, 12:46:14 PM
Lol, Chatline , was that the old 0898 numbers
Helped pay my mortgage for a while did those.
Not, I hasten to add, as a performer. I was just involved in placing the ads in various 'artistic' magazines and crappy newspapers
If somebody had a fetish about 1960s Puerto Rican baseball pitchers, you'd have made a mint!
Post by: olaftab on November 16, 2023, 12:54:15 PM
Samuel Iling-Junior being linked today. Dropped down the pecking order at Juventus and wants a move back to the Prem. Spurs, Everton, and Fulham also interested, apparently.There are 3 problems here as highlighted. That's not a player for us now.
Post by: AV84 on November 16, 2023, 01:08:38 PM
Samuel Iling-Junior being linked today. Dropped down the pecking order at Juventus and wants a move back to the Prem. Spurs, Everton, and Fulham also interested, apparently.There are 3 problems here as highlighted. That's not a player for us now.
He's behing Chiesa at Juve, who is someone we were trying to attract in the summer. So being behind someone doesn't automatically mean bad. Also, he apparently wants regular football, so while us and Spurs might be more attractive as overall clubs, he is likely to get more games time at Everton or Fulham, which is why they are apparently also looking at him. He's only just turned 20, so having a smart head on his shoulders isn't a bad thing either.
I can only see 2 things highlighted?
For what it's worth I'm not sure midfield is a position we need to prioritise this window.
Post by: Ads on November 16, 2023, 01:16:25 PM
I wouldn't be letting anybody go.
Post by: AV84 on November 16, 2023, 01:27:19 PM
Right back and a forward for me.
I wouldn't be letting anybody go.
Mentioned it before but we could let Chambers, Traore and Donk go and not really notice their absence. I assume Traore will be gone for some of Jan/Feb anyway.
Post by: Drummond on November 16, 2023, 01:55:40 PM
Lol, Chatline , was that the old 0898 numbers
Helped pay my mortgage for a while did those.
Not, I hasten to add, as a performer. I was just involved in placing the ads in various 'artistic' magazines and crappy newspapers
If somebody had a fetish about 1960s Puerto Rican baseball pitchers, you'd have made a mint!
I reckon that's a tricky accent to imitate.
Post by: OCD on November 16, 2023, 02:20:29 PM
Post by: AV84 on November 16, 2023, 02:34:33 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 16, 2023, 02:40:33 PM
Given how much Cash has played, and how when he doesn't Konsa seems to move out there, I don't think Emery rates Chambers at all.
I agree. When Chambers didn't leave in the summer I assumed he was kept to cover for Cash because we couldn't get a better option in but he's not even been trusted to be that. I suspect we'd love to move him on.
What we do with Donk is the more difficult one because we do need someone as like-for-like cover for Kamara but again he doesn't seem to trust Donk to do it. If we see Tim I on the bench/getting minutes between now and window then I suspect that'll be a sign that Donk is on his way.
Traore I suspect will stay until the summer when his contracts up anyway.
Post by: Risso on November 16, 2023, 02:45:28 PM
Post by: Gareth on November 16, 2023, 02:49:15 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on November 16, 2023, 03:06:54 PM
Post by: Risso on November 16, 2023, 03:22:12 PM
apparently expectation is that Tim will go out on loan in Jan, and personally I think we need competition for Kamara's place especially with Donk pretty clearly not rated
I don't think that we're too badly served in the centre now. If anything happened to Kamara, Luiz can play a bit deeper and then Tielemans gets more of an attacking role. The reverse is quite feasible as well.
Post by: coreyfeldman on November 16, 2023, 03:29:32 PM
apparently expectation is that Tim will go out on loan in Jan, and personally I think we need competition for Kamara's place especially with Donk pretty clearly not rated
I don't think that we're too badly served in the centre now. If anything happened to Kamara, Luiz can play a bit deeper and then Tielemans gets more of an attacking role. The reverse is quite feasible as well.
Yeah that's true, just IMO that's one position I'd target in the summer, if not in January
Post by: AV84 on November 16, 2023, 04:21:26 PM
Just looking it up, Chambers signed on a free in Jan 2022, on a 3.5 year contract, so still 1.5 years to go on that. He's only 28 too, so I'm sure if he found his level elsewhere we'd make a bit by selling him.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 16, 2023, 05:22:16 PM
Samuel Iling-Junior being linked today.
God I hope we don’t sign him.
His name is going to create havoc on my internal jukebox with “ You Be Illin” by Run DMC.
Post by: DrGonzo on November 16, 2023, 08:29:26 PM
I'm sure when Zaniolo and Diaby were brought in there was talk about how they could also play as a striker, especially Zaniolo. Maybe with Ramsey back in midfield we'll see Zaniolo deployed as a striker rather than whatever he's doing now.
Zaniolo struggles in his favoured position...there's no way we would go into the 2nd half of the season with those players making up our strike force.
He's not been playing in his favoured position.
What? "I can play anywhere across the front line." So he's played wide left, inside right and just off the main striker...which of those aren't his favoured position? He is a wide player historically. He's just not very good.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 16, 2023, 09:41:50 PM
I hope Zaniolo is just a mere stop gap till we get hold of Nico Williams of Athletic Bilbao who contract is up in June.I'm sure when Zaniolo and Diaby were brought in there was talk about how they could also play as a striker, especially Zaniolo. Maybe with Ramsey back in midfield we'll see Zaniolo deployed as a striker rather than whatever he's doing now.
Zaniolo struggles in his favoured position...there's no way we would go into the 2nd half of the season with those players making up our strike force.
He's not been playing in his favoured position.
What? "I can play anywhere across the front line." So he's played wide left, inside right and just off the main striker...which of those aren't his favoured position? He is a wide player historically. He's just not very good.
Williams plays as a left winger but can be used up front or play on the right.
Let's just get a favourable deal in the winter window with a fee but I can be patient and have him for free in the summer
Post by: Scovilla on November 18, 2023, 09:46:47 PM
Post by: CT Villan on November 19, 2023, 02:02:23 AM
Post by: Mister E on November 19, 2023, 08:08:50 AM
Post by: Scovilla on November 19, 2023, 08:46:15 AM
Jonathon Clauss...I just checked him out on TransferMarkt. It says he's 31 and his last 7 transfers before OM were all free transfers ! Seems odd.Unorthodox carreer indeed. He was transferred from Lens to Marseille for 11 million euros though.He's only been playing professional football for 7 or 8 years and yet 1st choice with les bleus now.
Post by: Clampy on November 19, 2023, 08:46:34 AM
That French right back Claus would be worth a watch. Plays for OM. It was hird game in a row tonight. He scored. Avery good player.
With a name like that, he might only turn up once a year.
Post by: johnc on November 19, 2023, 09:28:00 AM
Post by: john e on November 19, 2023, 09:34:05 AM
My main area of concern is where we upgrade in specific positions,
the gap is too big for me with following players, I’m not interested in the ‘never let us down’ and ‘he can do a job’ rubbish, I’m interested in good proficient reliable replacements where the team isn’t significantly weekend when they come on
Donk - Kamara
Chambers - anyone in defence
Olsen - Martinez
3 players, in those positions is what I would like to see
Post by: Risso on November 19, 2023, 09:38:45 AM
Post by: AV84 on November 19, 2023, 10:00:20 AM
The fact there is no specialist cover for Cash is the biggest concern.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 19, 2023, 10:14:20 AM
Also, we should sign all the best 18 year olds, whilst we are in a position of strength.
Post by: Steve67 on November 19, 2023, 11:21:52 AM
Post by: VillaTim on November 19, 2023, 11:32:33 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 19, 2023, 11:39:42 AM
Post by: VillaTim on November 19, 2023, 11:53:36 AM
Surely the priority is where we do not have decent cover GK & RB.yes, plus nr 9 as we don't have "decent" cover there either
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 19, 2023, 11:59:58 AM
and that is where it gets very difficult.Surely the priority is where we do not have decent cover GK & RB.yes, plus nr 9 as we don't have "decent" cover there either
There are plenty of PL teams that Dont even have a decent 9 to start.
Post by: Risso on November 19, 2023, 12:03:45 PM
and that is where it gets very difficult.
There are plenty of PL teams that Dont even have a decent 9 to start.
Every team needs cover for the way they play. Liverpool tend to play with three pacy forwards rather than an out and out number 9, and so have various players who can slot in there. We play a fairly consistent 4-4-2 with Ollie +1 up front, and we literally have no cover for him. I don't personally see Duran as anything like good enough cover.
Post by: VillaTim on November 19, 2023, 12:13:46 PM
totally agree which is why i said a backup to OW is a priorityand that is where it gets very difficult.
There are plenty of PL teams that Dont even have a decent 9 to start.
Every team needs cover for the way they play. Liverpool tend to play with three pacy forwards rather than an out and out number 9, and so have various players who can slot in there. We play a fairly consistent 4-4-2 with Ollie +1 up front, and we literally have no cover for him. I don't personally see Duran as anything like good enough cover.
Post by: Ian. on November 19, 2023, 01:49:10 PM
and that is where it gets very difficult.
There are plenty of PL teams that Dont even have a decent 9 to start.
Every team needs cover for the way they play. Liverpool tend to play with three pacy forwards rather than an out and out number 9, and so have various players who can slot in there. We play a fairly consistent 4-4-2 with Ollie +1 up front, and we literally have no cover for him. I don't personally see Duran as anything like good enough cover.
I agree, we really need someone who can play that roles. I like Duran but If we start with him we’d have to adapt our formation and style to accommodate him.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 19, 2023, 03:04:38 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 19, 2023, 03:37:06 PM
Post by: AV84 on November 19, 2023, 03:58:17 PM
The way we play it requires the running Ollie outs in to pressure the opponents defenders. Something that is often overlooked when we evaluate Ollie as a forward. While we might not find the same it would be great to find a forward with that kind of work rate. Or attitude. Why I also like Emi Buendia. Despite some of his shortcomings of the final product, his attitude, energy and desire can’t be questioned. Same as Ollie.
I could be wrong but I think if you took away the goals Watkins has scored this season, in the league, bar the Chelsea game, the end result would have been the same for us in terms of W/L/D.
We've scored a lot of goals from other places this season, mostly midfield, but, I think if you were to look at how many of those Watkins was involved in in a substantial way, we'd lose a lot of them if Watkins wasn't there.
So the kind of player we want to get in depends on if we're talking about him as an alternative to Ollie, or a direct replacement in the absence of Ollie.
Post by: eamonn on November 19, 2023, 05:16:44 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on November 19, 2023, 06:13:06 PM
Nico Williams...I've only ever heard of this geezer on these pages! He does exist...right? And how is playing this season (and for who?!) ?We're supposedly interested in this one
https://images.app.goo.gl/8rpedPXzGzxaUfzX9
But not this one.
https://images.app.goo.gl/iWcgqEew3ta6Nqbo8
Post by: AV84 on November 19, 2023, 06:28:56 PM
Post by: AV84 on November 20, 2023, 12:17:22 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on November 20, 2023, 01:11:23 AM
We're being linked with Inaki Williams now. Who next? Pharell? Serena?
John or Robbie, maybe.
My preference is Tennessee
Post by: nigel on November 20, 2023, 08:23:06 AM
Nico Williams apparently doesn't want to leave where he is, but his agent has been talking about how Barca and Madrid and some prem teams are interested in him. Coincidentally he's out of contract this summer, so they either need to sell him in January, or, get him to sign a new contract very soon so they don't lose him for nothing in a few months time.
Don’t really know how things go, regarding Basque players leaving their home clubs, but, for some reason I can’t see him going to Madrid or Barcelona.
I think if he did decide to leave I’m sure we’d be in a strong position due to Unai being Basque as well as our league position.
Post by: dave shelley on November 20, 2023, 08:59:03 AM
We're being linked with Inaki Williams now. Who next? Pharell? Serena?
John or Robbie, maybe.
My preference is Tennessee
Charlie.
Post by: Risso on November 20, 2023, 09:12:34 AM
We're being linked with Inaki Williams now. Who next? Pharell? Serena?
Hopefully somebody with a more impressive goal scoring record than him. Very underwhelming.
Post by: algy on November 20, 2023, 09:32:42 AM
How about Rowan? We need an Olsen replacement and I've heard he's been good with crosses (boom tsh)We're being linked with Inaki Williams now. Who next? Pharell? Serena?
John or Robbie, maybe.
My preference is Tennessee
Charlie.
Post by: Drummond on November 20, 2023, 10:16:48 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 20, 2023, 12:43:30 PM
We're being linked with Inaki Williams now. Who next? Pharell? Serena?
John or Robbie, maybe.
My preference is Tennessee
Charlie.
Shirley, surely.
Post by: dave shelley on November 20, 2023, 01:11:24 PM
We're being linked with Inaki Williams now. Who next? Pharell? Serena?
John or Robbie, maybe.
My preference is Tennessee
Charlie.
Shirley, surely.
Don't call me Shirley! :)
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 20, 2023, 02:14:03 PM
Where is a good Hank when you need one?We're being linked with Inaki Williams now. Who next? Pharell? Serena?
John or Robbie, maybe.
My preference is Tennessee
Charlie.
Shirley, surely.
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 20, 2023, 02:34:43 PM
Post by: CT Villan on November 20, 2023, 03:07:24 PM
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 20, 2023, 04:39:52 PM
...and not forgetting Kenneth. He'd be awesome in the hole...
All joking aside, we could do with an attacking fullback so it has to be J.P.R.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 20, 2023, 04:50:07 PM
We're being linked with Inaki Williams now.
Paul_e is our man on the ground when it comes to Welsh players.
Post by: rougegorge on November 20, 2023, 06:09:58 PM
However, he doesn't score loads and also only really knows about playing for Athletic.
Post by: algy on November 20, 2023, 07:21:50 PM
Iñaki Williams holds the all time La Liga record for the most consecutive appearances, so therefore he doesn't get injured or suspended. He must have something about him to have achieved such amazing consistency.15mins at Bodymoor Heath should sort that out ..
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on November 20, 2023, 07:38:16 PM
Iñaki Williams holds the all time La Liga record for the most consecutive appearances, so therefore he doesn't get injured or suspended. He must have something about him to have achieved such amazing consistency.
However, he doesn't score loads and also only really knows about playing for Athletic.
It’s his brother we’ve been linked with.
Post by: Dave on November 20, 2023, 07:56:04 PM
Iñaki Williams holds the all time La Liga record for the most consecutive appearances, so therefore he doesn't get injured or suspended. He must have something about him to have achieved such amazing consistency.
However, he doesn't score loads and also only really knows about playing for Athletic.
It’s his brother we’ve been linked with.
Up until today, but there was a (spurious and obviously made-up to fill space on the internet during international week) link to Inaki Williams today.
Post by: AV84 on November 20, 2023, 07:58:13 PM
Iñaki Williams holds the all time La Liga record for the most consecutive appearances, so therefore he doesn't get injured or suspended. He must have something about him to have achieved such amazing consistency.
However, he doesn't score loads and also only really knows about playing for Athletic.
It’s his brother we’ve been linked with.
Up until today, but there was a (spurious and obviously made-up to fill space on the internet during international week) link to Inaki Williams today.
I shared it purely for the fun of naming other famous Williams.
Post by: Dave on November 20, 2023, 08:00:20 PM
Iñaki Williams holds the all time La Liga record for the most consecutive appearances, so therefore he doesn't get injured or suspended. He must have something about him to have achieved such amazing consistency.
However, he doesn't score loads and also only really knows about playing for Athletic.
It’s his brother we’ve been linked with.
Up until today, but there was a (spurious and obviously made-up to fill space on the internet during international week) link to Inaki Williams today.
I shared it purely for the fun of naming other famous Williams.
Oh, absolutely. However terrible and tenuous the link, I'd say it's still worth chucking in this thread anyway.
Post by: AV84 on November 20, 2023, 09:26:57 PM
Post by: algy on November 20, 2023, 10:48:47 PM
I didn't think there were that many. Just a pair.Iñaki Williams holds the all time La Liga record for the most consecutive appearances, so therefore he doesn't get injured or suspended. He must have something about him to have achieved such amazing consistency.
However, he doesn't score loads and also only really knows about playing for Athletic.
It’s his brother we’ve been linked with.
Up until today, but there was a (spurious and obviously made-up to fill space on the internet during international week) link to Inaki Williams today.
I shared it purely for the fun of naming other famous Williams.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 20, 2023, 10:59:37 PM
Yes, I was advised categorically not to give Football Insider the time of day by many a person here and certainly told not to bring up any of their transfer rumours.I didn't think there were that many. Just a pair.Iñaki Williams holds the all time La Liga record for the most consecutive appearances, so therefore he doesn't get injured or suspended. He must have something about him to have achieved such amazing consistency.
However, he doesn't score loads and also only really knows about playing for Athletic.
It’s his brother we’ve been linked with.
Up until today, but there was a (spurious and obviously made-up to fill space on the internet during international week) link to Inaki Williams today.
I shared it purely for the fun of naming other famous Williams.
This is all confusing given the source and all the chatter on Williams -how do we take that?
Post by: AV84 on November 20, 2023, 11:04:21 PM
Yes, I was advised categorically not to give Football Insider the time of day by many a person here and certainly told not to bring up any of their transfer rumours.I didn't think there were that many. Just a pair.Iñaki Williams holds the all time La Liga record for the most consecutive appearances, so therefore he doesn't get injured or suspended. He must have something about him to have achieved such amazing consistency.
However, he doesn't score loads and also only really knows about playing for Athletic.
It’s his brother we’ve been linked with.
Up until today, but there was a (spurious and obviously made-up to fill space on the internet during international week) link to Inaki Williams today.
I shared it purely for the fun of naming other famous Williams.
This is all confusing given the source and all the chatter on Williams -how do we take that?
Take That? That's Robbie Williams.
Post by: Smoke on November 23, 2023, 12:25:30 AM
Post by: eamonn on November 23, 2023, 12:37:56 AM
Post by: coreyfeldman on November 23, 2023, 10:41:16 AM
The Williams doc on Netflix is a better watch than the Beckham one.
If you like watching Robbie Williams in his pants telling incredibly dull stories about himself for an eternity, then fair enough.
Post by: LeeB on November 23, 2023, 10:50:52 AM
The Williams doc on Netflix is a better watch than the Beckham one.
If you like watching Robbie Williams in his pants telling incredibly dull stories about himself for an eternity, then fair enough.
I saw that he claimed he had an 'imperial phase' in his career, the twat.
Post by: coreyfeldman on November 23, 2023, 11:35:17 AM
The Williams doc on Netflix is a better watch than the Beckham one.
If you like watching Robbie Williams in his pants telling incredibly dull stories about himself for an eternity, then fair enough.
I saw that he claimed he had an 'imperial phase' in his career, the twat.
It reminded me about Rudebox though which is one of the funniest things I've ever seen or heard
Post by: Tayls_7 on November 23, 2023, 12:50:08 PM
The Williams doc on Netflix is a better watch than the Beckham one.
If you like watching Robbie Williams in his pants telling incredibly dull stories about himself for an eternity, then fair enough.
I saw that he claimed he had an 'imperial phase' in his career, the twat.
It reminded me about Rudebox though which is one of the funniest things I've ever seen or heard
If you think Robbie Williams is a twat (and he is) watch the Docu-series on Kevin Hart. Dear God.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 23, 2023, 01:04:41 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 23, 2023, 01:12:01 PM
Post by: Rigadon on November 23, 2023, 01:39:10 PM
I always think Robbie Williams is the kind of guy you would have to be wary of if having a pint in a pub with.
Wary of what?!
Post by: Exeter 77 on November 23, 2023, 01:46:58 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 23, 2023, 02:34:52 PM
Post by: VillaTim on November 23, 2023, 02:38:12 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 23, 2023, 02:39:45 PM
I've met him (in 1998), he was a decent enough guy, no idea why you'd get the impression you need to be wary of him. I don't like his music though.
I actually quite like his music but I feel he could fly off on one without a hint of notice. Pretty unfair as I dont know him :D
Post by: PeterWithe on November 23, 2023, 02:45:31 PM
I always think Robbie Williams is the kind of guy you would have to be wary of if having a pint in a pub with.
Wary of what?!
Him starting singing?
Post by: Rigadon on November 23, 2023, 02:47:19 PM
I always think Robbie Williams is the kind of guy you would have to be wary of if having a pint in a pub with.
Wary of what?!
Him starting singing?
Haha!
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 23, 2023, 06:02:24 PM
Post by: Ian. on November 23, 2023, 06:33:59 PM
I always think Robbie Williams is the kind of guy you would have to be wary of if having a pint in a pub with.
Wary of what?!
Him starting singing?
Ha ha!
Post by: Risso on November 23, 2023, 09:10:24 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on November 23, 2023, 09:13:16 PM
I saw Take That playing “live” in a night club in Milton Keynes in 1991. The week before the same venue had a Sunday Sport girls wet T-shirt competition.
Which did you prefer mate?
Post by: eamonn on November 24, 2023, 12:06:08 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 24, 2023, 12:34:00 AM
The Williams doc on Netflix is a better watch than the Beckham one.
Not that I've seen the Beckham doc but the Robbie Williams doc is well worth a watch. 80k stadiums every day but he still gives a shit about the British press? It's tragic but I respect him.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 24, 2023, 07:41:40 AM
Which had the biggest tits?I saw Take That playing “live” in a night club in Milton Keynes in 1991. The week before the same venue had a Sunday Sport girls wet T-shirt competition.
Which did you prefer mate?
Post by: LeonW on November 24, 2023, 07:58:44 AM
The Williams doc on Netflix is a better watch than the Beckham one.
Jesus; picking between two very tedious people. I don’t envy you, Eamonn.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 24, 2023, 09:15:01 AM
It destroyed his career for sure. His 'I don't need Guy Chambers' album.The Williams doc on Netflix is a better watch than the Beckham one.
If you like watching Robbie Williams in his pants telling incredibly dull stories about himself for an eternity, then fair enough.
I saw that he claimed he had an 'imperial phase' in his career, the twat.
It reminded me about Rudebox though which is one of the funniest things I've ever seen or heard
I thought the documentary was good. The thing with Robbie Williams is it was never very cool to like him, but if you give it a chance a lot of his music is pretty good. I quite liked him anyway.
Post by: Risso on November 24, 2023, 10:29:51 AM
Post by: LeeB on November 24, 2023, 10:32:17 AM
Yes the Gallacher brothers are twats but they were spot on with that dismissal.
Post by: OCD on November 24, 2023, 10:50:00 AM
Post by: Small Rodent on November 24, 2023, 11:17:54 AM
Post by: Risso on November 24, 2023, 11:18:45 AM
Not the seen the documentary, but apparently he claims to have written 'Angels' when it is known he paid c.£10,000 for it.
I imagine that's turned out to be a reasonable investment.
Post by: Clampy on November 24, 2023, 11:30:27 AM
Not the seen the documentary, but apparently he claims to have written 'Angels' when it is known he paid c.£10,000 for it.
I imagine that's turned out to be a reasonable investment.
It's offered him protection.
Post by: Risso on November 24, 2023, 11:31:38 AM
Post by: dave shelley on November 24, 2023, 12:55:25 PM
Post by: Clampy on November 24, 2023, 01:07:09 PM
The story of George Michael gifting sole royalty rights of Last Christmas to Andrew Ridgeley always makes me think of a caring person.
I thought that was for Carless Whisper?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 24, 2023, 01:17:10 PM
The story of George Michael gifting sole royalty rights of Last Christmas to Andrew Ridgeley always makes me think of a caring person.
I thought that was for Carless Whisper?
I'm never ever gonna drive again
Minicab, taxi, bus or Uber
Though I could use public transport
Or even get a mule.
Post by: LeeB on November 24, 2023, 01:34:48 PM
Post by: Risso on November 24, 2023, 01:39:18 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 24, 2023, 01:49:46 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 24, 2023, 02:05:37 PM
Post by: dave shelley on November 24, 2023, 07:03:00 PM
The story of George Michael gifting sole royalty rights of Last Christmas to Andrew Ridgeley always makes me think of a caring person.
I thought that was for Carless Whisper?
Having checked you are right. He gave Ridgeley a co-writing credit for Careless Whisper even though Ridgeley had nothing to do with it. Apparently the song pulls in 80 mil per year. I haven't a clue why Last Christmas has been in my head about this. My original point on GM still stands though.
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 24, 2023, 07:20:34 PM
The story of George Michael gifting sole royalty rights of Last Christmas to Andrew Ridgeley always makes me think of a caring person.
I thought that was for Carless Whisper?
Having checked you are right. He gave Ridgeley a co-writing credit for Careless Whisper even though Ridgeley had nothing to do with it. Apparently the song pulls in 80 mil per year. I haven't a clue why Last Christmas has been in my head about this. My original point on GM still stands though.
They donated Last Christmas royalties to famine relief.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 24, 2023, 07:20:58 PM
The story of George Michael gifting sole royalty rights of Last Christmas to Andrew Ridgeley always makes me think of a caring person.
I thought that was for Carless Whisper?
Having checked you are right. He gave Ridgeley a co-writing credit for Careless Whisper even though Ridgeley had nothing to do with it. Apparently the song pulls in 80 mil per year. I haven't a clue why Last Christmas has been in my head about this. My original point on GM still stands though.
There's no way it earns £80m a year even allowing for the fact that it's a festive favourite. Maybe a tenth of that tops, still a nice gesture though.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 24, 2023, 09:01:36 PM
George was clearly a very good guy. The way he handled the public toilet misfortune was absolutely spot on (the video to Let’s Go Outside is superb).
Andrew Ridgeley also came across very well in it. A proper friendship which survived insane events.
For clarity re previous disturbing conversations on the subject, Robbie Williams is a gigantic talentless thundercunt.
Post by: Exeter 77 on November 24, 2023, 09:08:01 PM
Post by: Dave on November 24, 2023, 09:09:14 PM
The story of George Michael gifting sole royalty rights of Last Christmas to Andrew Ridgeley always makes me think of a caring person.
I thought that was for Carless Whisper?
Having checked you are right. He gave Ridgeley a co-writing credit for Careless Whisper even though Ridgeley had nothing to do with it. Apparently the song pulls in 80 mil per year. I haven't a clue why Last Christmas has been in my head about this. My original point on GM still stands though.
There's no way it earns £80m a year even allowing for the fact that it's a festive favourite. Maybe a tenth of that tops, still a nice gesture though.
My spidey-sense tells me that something like "has generated 80m in royalties" has Chinese-whispered itself into "80m per year"
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 24, 2023, 09:15:41 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on November 24, 2023, 09:48:35 PM
Quote
"Merry Xmas Everybody” by Slade £1m (in royalties per year)
“Fairytale of New York” by The Pogues and Kirsty MacColl £400,000
“All I Want for Christmas is You” by Mariah Carey £400,000
“White Christmas” by Bing Crosby £328,000
“Last Christmas” by Wham! £300,000
“Wonderful Christmastime” by Paul McCartney £260,000
“Stop the Cavalry” by Jona Lewie £120,000
“2000 Miles” by The Pretenders £102,000
“Mistletoe and Wine” by Cliff Richard £100,000
“Stay Another Day” by East 17 £97,000
Wood apparently isn't in the top 10 of played songs.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 24, 2023, 10:00:13 PM
Some research done in 2016 showed this apparently.Quote"Merry Xmas Everybody” by Slade £1m (in royalties per year)
“Fairytale of New York” by The Pogues and Kirsty MacColl £400,000
“All I Want for Christmas is You” by Mariah Carey £400,000
“White Christmas” by Bing Crosby £328,000
“Last Christmas” by Wham! £300,000
“Wonderful Christmastime” by Paul McCartney £260,000
“Stop the Cavalry” by Jona Lewie £120,000
“2000 Miles” by The Pretenders £102,000
“Mistletoe and Wine” by Cliff Richard £100,000
“Stay Another Day” by East 17 £97,000
Wood apparently isn't in the top 10 of played songs.
Lad baby is doing an Xmas song this year after 5 consecutive number ones
Post by: Clampy on November 24, 2023, 10:02:05 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 24, 2023, 10:06:59 PM
I despise that East 17 song. Its absolute arse gravy.I have a Villa version about playing away but I don't think I'm allowed to do songs here anymore.
I'm trying to stick to guidelines even though
I'm not understanding all the guidelines as there seems to be a lot of celebrities talk and I was previously told to not to have chatter unless Villa related in the celebrity gossip thread
All very confusing this h and v place!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 24, 2023, 10:16:10 PM
I despise that East 17 song. Its absolute arse gravy.
I have a Villa version about playing away but I don't think I'm allowed to do songs here anymore.
Might be for the best if you want to stay another day.
Post by: Somniloquism on November 24, 2023, 10:16:35 PM
In the other thread, we were solely talking about Villa supporting celebrities with the odd mention of other celebrities. You then came in and just posted about any celebrities with a very tenuous link to football and no link to Villa at all. So the difference is following a flow naturally, or damming up a river and then putting in deep man made channels to force the flow into the direction only you wanted to go.
Post by: Clampy on November 24, 2023, 10:17:26 PM
I despise that East 17 song. Its absolute arse gravy.
I have a Villa version about playing away but I don't think I'm allowed to do songs here anymore.
Might be for the best if you want to stay another day.
Yes, I don't think I could take the pain.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 24, 2023, 10:34:28 PM
I despise that East 17 song. Its absolute arse gravy.
I have a Villa version about playing away but I don't think I'm allowed to do songs here anymore.
Might be for the best if you want to stay another day.
Yes, I don't think I could take the pain.
I'll keep out of this transfer thread till January then!
I'm never gonna write lyrics again
Guilty feelings because you don't like the rhythm
Though it's not easy to comprehend (this site)
I know I'm no fool.
Post by: VillaTim on November 24, 2023, 10:45:03 PM
Post by: Matt C on November 24, 2023, 11:39:43 PM
Post by: stevo_st on November 25, 2023, 12:30:55 AM
Post by: Nev on November 25, 2023, 02:46:14 AM
Post by: LeeB on November 25, 2023, 08:08:36 AM
Robbie Williams always struck me as someone desperate to be taken seriously as a writer and musician but in reality is looked upon as a sort of "high end" Stephen Mulhern.
More like Bobby Ball with dance skills.
Post by: Clampy on November 25, 2023, 08:35:07 AM
…and how East 17 gets a shoeing but Cliff Richard gets off scott-free
At least Cliff's efforts are Christmas songs. All East 17 did was stuck on big white oversized fluffy coats in the video and hey presto, it's a Christmas song. Mind you, Stop the Cavalry wasn't a Christmas song either but at least it's good.
Post by: LukeJames on November 25, 2023, 09:17:05 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on November 25, 2023, 10:50:36 AM
We need a Nr 9 and a RB as priorities in the January sales
The CF one is going to be tricky. Ollie Watkins is clearly number one choice, so the two options are spending very big on someone who is better or bringing in someone who is content to play second fiddle for the time being.
I think option 1 would involve a very small pool of players, would be mega money and probably wouldn't be interested in coming to us anyway. Option 2 would probably involve a younger striker with potential or an older one who is probably on a step down.
Post by: eamonn on November 25, 2023, 10:53:21 AM
5 new pages, thats got to be some juicy rumours to get excited about. I should have known fucking better!
You should've known better than to cheat a friend
And waste the chance that you'd been given
Post by: paul_e on November 25, 2023, 12:09:12 PM
…and how East 17 gets a shoeing but Cliff Richard gets off scott-free
At least Cliff's efforts are Christmas songs. All East 17 did was stuck on big white oversized fluffy coats in the video and hey presto, it's a Christmas song. Mind you, Stop the Cavalry wasn't a Christmas song either but at least it's good.
A song with a line "wish I was at home for Christmas" isn't a Christmas song?
Post by: Clampy on November 25, 2023, 12:18:42 PM
…and how East 17 gets a shoeing but Cliff Richard gets off scott-free
At least Cliff's efforts are Christmas songs. All East 17 did was stuck on big white oversized fluffy coats in the video and hey presto, it's a Christmas song. Mind you, Stop the Cavalry wasn't a Christmas song either but at least it's good.
A song with a line "wish I was at home for Christmas" isn't a Christmas song?
Apparently not. It wasn't written as one anyway.
Post by: Drummond on November 26, 2023, 02:06:47 AM
We need a Nr 9 and a RB as priorities in the January sales
The CF one is going to be tricky. Ollie Watkins is clearly number one choice, so the two options are spending very big on someone who is better or bringing in someone who is content to play second fiddle for the time being.
I think option 1 would involve a very small pool of players, would be mega money and probably wouldn't be interested in coming to us anyway. Option 2 would probably involve a younger striker with potential or an older one who is probably on a step down.
Option 2.
Jhon Duran
Danny Ings
Post by: Rigadon on November 26, 2023, 06:37:14 AM
?!). Same shit every week about it being ‘a difficult deal’ but he’s their ‘prime target’. It’s grinding my gears a bit now I must admit.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 26, 2023, 08:51:31 AM
Post by: AV84 on November 26, 2023, 09:08:14 AM
He did acknowledge that quite often it's someone trying to make something happen, whether that's Arsenal, for example, trying to turn Luiz's head in the hopes he'll want a move. Or, us wanting rid of player and making it clear he's for sale (obviously not the case here), or, an agent trying to get his player a better deal in contract negotiations and using known interest from somewhere as leverage in negotiations.
I'm pretty sure that last one happened with Watkins and Arsenal just before he signed his new deal.
Whatever it is that's happening with Luiz, I can't see why anyone would want to leave us now. Obviously there's a few tough games coming up and our position could change by the time the window opens, but I can't see our key players abandoning ship mid season.
Post by: Ads on November 26, 2023, 09:19:07 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 26, 2023, 09:22:22 AM
Post by: Beard82 on November 26, 2023, 10:07:23 AM
Which is possible. But we’ll see
Post by: VillaTim on November 26, 2023, 10:08:06 AM
More about Arsenal trying to sign Luiz in January from Fabrizio Romano (who is he anywayHe's the bloke who announced we signed Jack Harrisson a couple of months ago then half hour later quickly backtracked to say Everton had signed him.
?!). Same shit every week about it being ‘a difficult deal’ but he’s their ‘prime target’. It’s grinding my gears a bit now I must admit.
Tap in merchant who still gets it wrong
Post by: dave shelley on November 26, 2023, 11:00:57 AM
The only way I see luiz going is by f there is a release clause that arsenal can afford.
Which is possible. But we’ll see
Always assuming of course if any release course is met, said player actually wants to go. It is possible.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 26, 2023, 11:13:12 AM
I hope there is no release clause, because if he did go, it would absolutely derail our season, and be so frustrating. He's that important to us.
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 26, 2023, 12:01:59 PM
The only way I see luiz going is by f there is a release clause that arsenal can afford.
Which is possible. But we’ll see
If we haven't learned from the Grealish situation then we deserve to lose him.
But, I cant see that happening with Douglas Luiz...
Post by: Dave on November 26, 2023, 12:08:10 PM
The only way I see luiz going is by f there is a release clause that arsenal can afford.
Which is possible. But we’ll see
If we haven't learned from the Grealish situation then we deserve to lose him.
What lesson did we need to learn from the Grealish situation?
Post by: Rigadon on November 26, 2023, 12:10:25 PM
The only way I see luiz going is by f there is a release clause that arsenal can afford.
Which is possible. But we’ll see
If we haven't learned from the Grealish situation then we deserve to lose him.
What lesson did we need to learn from the Grealish situation?
If there were a lesson perhaps not was not to put release clauses in contracts, but I certainly see your point because he probably wouldn't have signed any new contract if we hadn't.
Post by: Beard82 on November 26, 2023, 12:13:00 PM
Yes sorry 1 guess what I mean is the only way I see us accepting an offer is if there’s a clause. As I don’t think arsenal will have the money to pay what he’s actually worth based on my understanding of there FFP situationThe only way I see luiz going is by f there is a release clause that arsenal can afford.
Which is possible. But we’ll see
Always assuming of course if any release course is met, said player actually wants to go. It is possible.
Post by: Beard82 on November 26, 2023, 12:16:18 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 26, 2023, 12:34:01 PM
The only way I see luiz going is by f there is a release clause that arsenal can afford.
Which is possible. But we’ll see
If we haven't learned from the Grealish situation then we deserve to lose him.
What lesson did we need to learn from the Grealish situation?
Was it not obvious from the context?
The lesson we needed to learn from the Grealish release clause situation was to act like a big-boy club & do not give out release clauses within new contracts.
Post by: Clampy on November 26, 2023, 12:39:20 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 26, 2023, 12:41:38 PM
Post by: Dave on November 26, 2023, 12:42:08 PM
The only way I see luiz going is by f there is a release clause that arsenal can afford.
Which is possible. But we’ll see
If we haven't learned from the Grealish situation then we deserve to lose him.
What lesson did we need to learn from the Grealish situation?
Was it not obvious from the context?
The lesson we needed to learn from the Grealish release clause situation was to act like a big-boy club & do not give out release clauses within new contracts.
I'm not sure that losing your players for nothing because they won't sign a contract with you is the sign of a "big-boy" club. It's the sign of a stupid club.
Haaland has one in his Man City contract, because that was his price to agree to join them. I imagine Man City aren't regretting it.
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 26, 2023, 12:44:43 PM
What if the player insisted on one and we didn't give it?Then we negotiate a higher wage, better bonuses or something.
If they wont back down, then we sell on our terms.
Even if it means losing a little money.
Sometimes a message is more important than money.
What Grealish taught some of the players is that they can engineer a move away using a release clause.
If we take that option away, less players will attempt to use it.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 26, 2023, 12:45:53 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 26, 2023, 12:47:26 PM
I just wouldn't entertain them...
Post by: Smithy on November 26, 2023, 12:52:14 PM
There will come a point where we will exploit one, and we'll be absolutely delighted about its existence.
I don't have a problem with Dougie having one in his next contract. I'd prefer he didn't have one at all, but if it's going in there, just make sure it's at a value that makes him unattractive to most clubs, and if activated makes us a LOT of money. Certainly more than Grealish.
Post by: Dave on November 26, 2023, 12:53:24 PM
Then we negotiate a higher wage, better bonuses or something.
If they wont back down, then we sell on our terms.
Even if it means losing a little money.
Sometimes a message is more important than money.
In the Douglas Luiz-specific version of this, he joins Arsenal for £25m in the last couple of days of the summer '22 transfer window.
Does that leave Villa better off, or worse off than how his last 15 months have played out?
Assuming he has a clause, which nobody has said that there is. If I were him signing that contract under Gerrard though, I'd have insisted on one.
Post by: Smithy on November 26, 2023, 12:53:56 PM
Maybe I am being more of an idealist than realist.
I just wouldn't entertain them...
I guess then it becomes a game of chicken, if the player won't sign new contract without one, and you won't give him one, are you willing to lose him for nothing when his contract expires?
Post by: OCD on November 26, 2023, 12:55:26 PM
I think after Grealish, the owners pretty much said they wouldn't agree to release clauses in future.
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 26, 2023, 01:00:44 PM
It just seems to me to be another element of the game that is moving in the direction of favouring the super wealthy elite minority clubs.
And there is enough of that already.
If a player is demanding a release clause then that would suggest to me that he is not planning for a future with us, so maybe on a positive note, its a way of weeding out those not fully committed to 'our' project & we can plan accordingly.
Personally, I don't think that Douglas Luiz has a release clause though.
I have absolutely no reason to think that other than from my gut.
Post by: Dave on November 26, 2023, 01:04:33 PM
Didn't Dougie recently say "If they want me, they can sign me on FIFA
No.
Post by: danno on November 26, 2023, 01:09:45 PM
Post by: eamonn on November 26, 2023, 01:16:51 PM
release fee clauses sometimes "feel" like they shouldn't be given, but it's just the latest evolution of the shift in power towards the players and away from the club. Some of them are a bit stupid (Ansu Fati, currently on loan at Brighton, has a £1billion release clause). But they are, unfortunately, part and parcel of the game these days. As others have said, even Haaland has one. If you have a top player, and you're trying to secure them to a long-term contract, I can't imagine there are too many new contracts for the top 10% of players that don't have them these days.
There will come a point where we will exploit one, and we'll be absolutely delighted about its existence.
I don't have a problem with Dougie having one in his next contract. I'd prefer he didn't have one at all, but if it's going in there, just make sure it's at a value that makes him unattractive to most clubs, and if activated makes us a LOT of money. Certainly more than Grealish.
Agree with most of that but it's fanciful to expect any new deal to have a transfer clause of more than £100m even if it's an area of the field that clubs are now spending that sort of money on (Chelsea with Fernández and Caicedo, Arsenal with Rice). I just don't see Luiz agreeing on that, it effectively prices him out of a move and makes the clause worthless to him.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 26, 2023, 01:23:34 PM
Ah the Douglas Luiz Arsenal link (again!) was it football insider or teamtalk today?
Fabrizio Romano.
Post by: danno on November 26, 2023, 01:40:49 PM
Ah the Douglas Luiz Arsenal link (again!) was it football insider or teamtalk today?
Fabrizio Romano.
alright everyone... PANIC !
Post by: Smithy on November 26, 2023, 01:51:58 PM
release fee clauses sometimes "feel" like they shouldn't be given, but it's just the latest evolution of the shift in power towards the players and away from the club. Some of them are a bit stupid (Ansu Fati, currently on loan at Brighton, has a £1billion release clause). But they are, unfortunately, part and parcel of the game these days. As others have said, even Haaland has one. If you have a top player, and you're trying to secure them to a long-term contract, I can't imagine there are too many new contracts for the top 10% of players that don't have them these days.
There will come a point where we will exploit one, and we'll be absolutely delighted about its existence.
I don't have a problem with Dougie having one in his next contract. I'd prefer he didn't have one at all, but if it's going in there, just make sure it's at a value that makes him unattractive to most clubs, and if activated makes us a LOT of money. Certainly more than Grealish.
Agree with most of that but it's fanciful to expect any new deal to have a transfer clause of more than £100m even if it's an area of the field that clubs are now spending that sort of money on (Chelsea with Fernández and Caicedo, Arsenal with Rice). I just don't see Luiz agreeing on that, it effectively prices him out of a move and makes the clause worthless to him.
Release clauses are always higher than the current value - otherwise what's the point in having a contract if someone can come along today and offer nothing more than fair market value and take your player from you. I don't think it would be unreasonable to point to Fernandez or Rice and say "Do you think those players are significantly better than you? Because they cost £100m and we think you're better than both of them".
For the record, I don't want a release clause for any of our players, but given Dougie's premier league form in the last 18 months, and his age, I don't see how a release clause would be entertained for less than £100m. Unless it comes down based on things like not qualifying for Europe or something.
I hope the club aren't agreeing to them, and have found a way to keep players happy without them.
Post by: Risso on November 26, 2023, 01:57:57 PM
The only way I see luiz going is by f there is a release clause that arsenal can afford.
Which is possible. But we’ll see
If we haven't learned from the Grealish situation then we deserve to lose him.
What lesson did we need to learn from the Grealish situation?
Don’t waste the money you get in.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 26, 2023, 03:08:14 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 26, 2023, 03:14:37 PM
It did feel a bit of a scatter gun approach whereas now you’d hope any ‘low’ clauses can be mitigated by having replacements scouted and lined up.
Post by: paul_e on November 26, 2023, 03:16:41 PM
They’re fair points Toronto. Bailey has improved and Buendia often looks a £40m player (not sure what we actually paid).
It did feel a bit of a scatter gun approach whereas now you’d hope any ‘low’ clauses can be mitigated by having replacements scouted and lined up.
The problem was more about how the whole summer felt like it was us waiting to see what would happen with Grealish and we started the season looking like we'd not bothered with a pre-season.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 26, 2023, 03:25:54 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 26, 2023, 04:19:41 PM
So there is definitely life after departed players.
No matter how important they seem at the time...
Post by: jwarry on November 26, 2023, 04:28:13 PM
Tbh, even if we did waste the Grealish money or not, him not being the in the squad & being the sole focus for our creativity, & with us having instructions for all players in a system that nearly all players are used to, has made us all the stronger as a team...
So there is definitely life after departed players.
No matter how important they seem at the time...
This. Oh and the said person may end up getting his medals striped if the FA show some balls!
Post by: Dave on November 26, 2023, 04:31:19 PM
Tbh, even if we did waste the Grealish money or not, him not being the in the squad & being the sole focus for our creativity, & with us having instructions for all players in a system that nearly all players are used to, has made us all the stronger as a team...
So there is definitely life after departed players.
No matter how important they seem at the time...
This. Oh and the said person may end up getting his medals striped if the FA show some balls!
Although it then does mean he captained Villa to League Cup glory in 2020.
Post by: paul_e on November 26, 2023, 06:44:31 PM
Tbh, even if we did waste the Grealish money or not, him not being the in the squad & being the sole focus for our creativity, & with us having instructions for all players in a system that nearly all players are used to, has made us all the stronger as a team...
So there is definitely life after departed players.
No matter how important they seem at the time...
This. Oh and the said person may end up getting his medals striped if the FA show some balls!
Although it then does mean he captained Villa to League Cup glory in 2020.
Nope, the investigation is currently only up until 2018. The trophies since are clearly questionable because they're a direct consequence of earlier cheating but I doubt they could be stripped of anything from the last 5 years.
Post by: Dave on November 26, 2023, 07:47:21 PM
Post by: AV84 on November 27, 2023, 05:53:15 PM
I watched Chiesa for Italy against Ukraine last week and he was non stop up and down that pitch. Put in such a shift and really talented with it. Would love to have him here.
*ignore whether they'd actually come or if we need them or not, but probably not like Mbappe, for example.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 27, 2023, 06:05:42 PM
I’d ship out Donk and Chambers to make some space and free up wages. Tim can also go on loan unless Emery has a plan to use him in the remaining games.
The striker/GK alternatives needs addressing but I’m not sure January is the right time.
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 27, 2023, 06:08:15 PM
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Post by: brontebilly on November 27, 2023, 07:22:34 PM
I wouldn't mind Kalvin Phillips as he'd be great under Unai.
At the right price I guess, would hold similar fears that we had for Tielemans. Phillips has hardly played since joining Man City and his last season at Leeds he was very poor too. Just doesn't look like the athlete he was for Leeds in the championship tracking Grealish all over the pitch. I think Phillips is definitely gettable for us in Jan and we need cover for Luiz and Kamara.
Post by: AV84 on November 27, 2023, 07:26:09 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 27, 2023, 07:45:27 PM
Post by: Malandro on November 27, 2023, 08:31:29 PM
Post by: FatSam on November 27, 2023, 09:29:25 PM
I wouldn't mind Kalvin Phillips as he'd be great under Unai.I don’t think Manchester City would sell to another title contender.
Post by: Steve67 on November 27, 2023, 10:06:46 PM
I wouldn't mind Kalvin Phillips as he'd be great under Unai.I don’t think Manchester City would sell to another title contender.
Well played sir!
Post by: brontebilly on November 27, 2023, 10:16:21 PM
Would Phillips want to swap their bench for ours though? I suppose he'd at least have a chance of playing with us.
Backup to Luiz and Kamara but much better than the Donk for one. Guardiola I think would pick himself before giving Phillips a go. He would get plenty of minutes for us in the second half of the season. It's a bit of a strange one how he gets no look in at all at City. He can't be gone that bad.
Post by: AV84 on November 27, 2023, 10:31:13 PM
Would Phillips want to swap their bench for ours though? I suppose he'd at least have a chance of playing with us.
Backup to Luiz and Kamara but much better than the Donk for one. Guardiola I think would pick himself before giving Phillips a go. He would get plenty of minutes for us in the second half of the season. It's a bit of a strange one how he gets no look in at all at City. He can't be gone that bad.
Yeah, definitely feels like a personality clash there. I suppose for someone like Phillips the question is does he prioritise staying at a decent level of club, or does he drop down to guarantee first team football immediately? He's valued at £28mil at the moment, which is a lot for some teams to be blowing on one player. And the teams that can afford it would probably be looking for better, or be a case of him still being backup.
Post by: AV84 on November 27, 2023, 11:20:25 PM
Also saw us linked to LB Tierney today. Not sure we want to be trying to buy an Arsenal player if they're after Luiz, but he does have a hamstring injury at the moment, which sounds right up our street.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 27, 2023, 11:26:29 PM
I wouldn't mind Kalvin Phillips as he'd be great under Unai.
The issue with that is I'm always wary of signing players who've basically been in semi retirement for a year/18 months.
Phillips has played laughably few minutes since signing for Man. City. I assume he's played more for England than in premier league.
Feels like he'd take ages to get up to speed as Sidwell was good at Reading and then warmed the bench at Chelsea and you could see he'd been impacted by that playing for us when he joined. Was going to say Drinkwater aswell but he just wasn't interested in football anymore when we signed him as he's since admitted in interviews.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 27, 2023, 11:28:59 PM
He's one I could see of interest and he was actually pretty good for them last season when he got back in the team.
Still only mid 20s and defensively he is very secure on one v ones so think Emery would be happy working with him as he has played a few seasons in CL now.
Would work well with him at RB and Moreno flying down the left once he's back to full fitness.
Post by: AV84 on November 27, 2023, 11:39:43 PM
I wouldn't mind Kalvin Phillips as he'd be great under Unai.
The issue with that is I'm always wary of signing players who've basically been in semi retirement for a year/18 months.
Phillips has played laughably few minutes since signing for Man. City. I assume he's played more for England than in premier league.
He's played 89 minutes in the league this season, and 291 last season. That's barely 1 full game in 13, and 7.5ish in 38 last year. Which is really quite poor when you look at it.
In comparison Jacob Ramsey has played 49 minutes this season having been out injured for 11 games.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 28, 2023, 01:06:10 AM
Post by: Drummond on November 28, 2023, 01:15:54 AM
Arsenal have wanted him for ages, and he hasn't gone.
Liverpool? They can fuck off too.
It's typical shit stirring this. Unsettle the new challengers.
Or just an agent wanting more for their client. In this case I'd say he's worth it!
Post by: Rigadon on November 28, 2023, 06:37:39 AM
This has been going on for months now and will only intensify as we play Manchester City and Arsenal. I notice that Emery was asked about it on the weekend too. Not sure if something was getting lost in translation but his response didn’t sound all that convincing - something along the lines of ‘we’d like him to stay’.
If we sold Luiz this January or actually in the summer, we’d be holding up a white flag as our head bumped against the glass ceiling again.
No more key player sales until we’ve cracked it please.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 28, 2023, 07:38:02 AM
Of course if he wants to go and Arse come up with the right number / release clause amount he will go.
Post by: algy on November 28, 2023, 07:55:02 AM
Post by: Dave on November 28, 2023, 07:59:38 AM
Dougie isn't going in January. The only players that move then are either ones that aren't wanted at all by their club, places like the USA where that's the end of the season, or if someone is willing to pay ludicrously over the odds to a club with nothing to play for.
Which of those was Moreno?
Post by: algy on November 28, 2023, 08:06:09 AM
Good point, but didn't he have a ridiculously low release clause?Dougie isn't going in January. The only players that move then are either ones that aren't wanted at all by their club, places like the USA where that's the end of the season, or if someone is willing to pay ludicrously over the odds to a club with nothing to play for.
Which of those was Moreno?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 28, 2023, 08:56:04 AM
Post by: Dave on November 28, 2023, 09:00:21 AM
Good point, but didn't he have a ridiculously low release clause?Dougie isn't going in January. The only players that move then are either ones that aren't wanted at all by their club, places like the USA where that's the end of the season, or if someone is willing to pay ludicrously over the odds to a club with nothing to play for.
Which of those was Moreno?
No, his release clause was €40m.
Post by: London Villan on November 28, 2023, 09:01:55 AM
Post by: Rigadon on November 28, 2023, 09:21:20 AM
It was one of the tactics that crippled us 15 years ago - Barry, Milner, Young, Downing....
And before / after that (Yorke, Grealish). Selling our best players at shite times needs to be confined to the past.
Post by: London Villan on November 28, 2023, 09:36:49 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on November 28, 2023, 10:03:49 AM
Interesting analysis of Arse on sky which shows they are not improved on last season. I do not believe there is much between us and them, they have more depth and a few top players. It’s not as if Luiz is guaranteed CL or Pl silverware going there.
Of course if he wants to go and Arse come up with the right number / release clause amount he will go.
Might be setting us up for a fall, but I fancy us against them in a couple of weeks.
Post by: tomd2103 on November 28, 2023, 10:06:18 AM
Arsenal, Citeh and Liverpool all keen to sign Dougie according to the Beeb's gossip. The media do seem a bit put out that we're in the top 4. Does this mean a possible bidding war as we brace ourselves for bids?
Funny how it is the only 3 teams now above us in the table. Where's the interest from Manchester United and Spurs?
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 28, 2023, 10:07:53 AM
Post by: DennisHodgetts on November 28, 2023, 10:34:52 AM
Post by: garyellis on November 28, 2023, 10:39:35 AM
With the exception of Manchester City I can't see why any of our players would want to move to any other club.Spot on Dave that is where I am at. I hope the club are on the same page.
Post by: Baldy on November 28, 2023, 10:42:12 AM
Against our normal policy, but we should use the media for a change and let it 'leak out' that we are interested in Mo Salah or Haaland or Saka.
It's what the big clubs do!! Just mind games.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 28, 2023, 11:05:15 AM
Same, I also think that maintaining our form going in to the transfer window is the best way to hold on to the players we want to keep.Interesting analysis of Arse on sky which shows they are not improved on last season. I do not believe there is much between us and them, they have more depth and a few top players. It’s not as if Luiz is guaranteed CL or Pl silverware going there.
Of course if he wants to go and Arse come up with the right number / release clause amount he will go.
Might be setting us up for a fall, but I fancy us against them in a couple of weeks.
Post by: Billy Walker on November 28, 2023, 11:32:18 AM
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on November 28, 2023, 11:56:01 AM
I wouldn't be alarmed if anyone left for mega money. It wouldn't dent us the way Judas did as we are a machine now. Brighton lose their big stars every season and are still there. The only one irreplacable is Martinez we'd get through about 5 or 6 Goalies before replacing him (like manu did when schmeichel left) Of course it would be a kamikazi policy to sell anyone in Jan when we're in the mix for CL and the conf cup. Therefore I think the "spine" will stay intact beyuoond Jan window. And I think if anyone had been tapped up we'd all know the signs now, mysterious shin injuries, etc.
Ship out the baggage boys Duran and Zaniola and bring in a Ronnie Rosenthial type signing. However regarding the duran drama I think it was possibly a storm in a tea cup he looked bright enough when he came on against spurs. Probably got a bollocking.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 28, 2023, 11:59:38 AM
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 30, 2023, 12:49:21 AM
Quote from: BBC from Teamtalk
Aston Villa have identified Lens and Ghana midfielder Salis Abdul Samed, 23, as a potential replacement for Brazil midfielder Douglas Luiz, 25, should they be forced to sell.
After a day's break, the Dougie gossip is back on the Beeb.
Post by: IFWaters on November 30, 2023, 05:41:27 AM
Mail linking us with Frimpong again, but it could be because we’ve been buying from Leverkusen before with Diaby and BaileyTransfermarkt have him as just about the most expensive right back in Europe at the moment. An upgrade on Cash definitely but would he come to us ?
Post by: Richard E on November 30, 2023, 07:35:37 AM
Quote from: BBC from TeamtalkAston Villa have identified Lens and Ghana midfielder Salis Abdul Samed, 23, as a potential replacement for Brazil midfielder Douglas Luiz, 25, should they be forced to sell.
After a day's break, the Dougie gossip is back on the Beeb.
Since we won’t be forced to sell, the point is entirely moot.
Post by: AV84 on November 30, 2023, 08:40:36 AM
Post by: Dave on November 30, 2023, 09:03:21 AM
Donk to Everton being rumoured. Nothing reliable, and I'm not sure what their financial situation is, but I'd say at the very least we're putting out feelers to move him on. Wasn't he linked to them in the summer too?
Think there was talk that they wanted him on deadline day.
Post by: brontebilly on November 30, 2023, 09:08:08 AM
Post by: taylorsworkrate on November 30, 2023, 09:11:45 AM
Post by: AV84 on November 30, 2023, 09:11:49 AM
Chambers still has a year and a half on his contract, but how much we'll get for him is anyone's guess. Both of them off the wages is probably the main thing.
Post by: Risso on November 30, 2023, 11:41:55 AM
I feel like Emery gave Donk every chance to become an "Emery player" but he's obviously not up to it, for whatever reason.
Chambers still has a year and a half on his contract, but how much we'll get for him is anyone's guess. Both of them off the wages is probably the main thing.
Yep, I think even Emery's methods have their limits, and players need to be able to play regularly to get used to them. I would think that Donk will want to be playing regular club football to help get his international place back. He'd be decent for a lower Premier League team, as he's a very good passer of the ball.
Post by: LeeB on November 30, 2023, 11:43:29 AM
I feel like Emery gave Donk every chance to become an "Emery player" but he's obviously not up to it, for whatever reason.
Chambers still has a year and a half on his contract, but how much we'll get for him is anyone's guess. Both of them off the wages is probably the main thing.
Yep, I think even Emery's methods have their limits, and players need to be able to play regularly to get used to them. I would think that Donk will want to be playing regular club football to help get his international place back. He'd be decent for a lower Premier League team, as he's a very good passer of the ball.
With his height he'll be handy at set pieces, which is basically the no.1 requirement to play for Sean Dyche.
Post by: Risso on November 30, 2023, 11:45:25 AM
With his height he'll be handy at set pieces, which is basically the no.1 requirement to play for Sean Dyche.
I did think he'd be perfect for Everton, but not sure how much money they're going to be spending.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 30, 2023, 11:59:19 AM
I did think he'd be perfect for Everton, but not sure how much money they're going to be spending.
I thought that too when I read the link last night, but as it was Footie Insider gossip I didn't bother posting it here.
Post by: AV84 on November 30, 2023, 12:04:53 PM
I did think he'd be perfect for Everton, but not sure how much money they're going to be spending.
I thought that too when I read the link last night, but as it was Footie Insider gossip I didn't bother posting it here.
I saw it somewhere else yesterday too, although still probably not that reliable. The fact there was talk of it in the summer, I think, makes it worth mentioning. Also just the fact that it probably signifies we're looking to move him on, if anyone is interested.
Post by: Risso on November 30, 2023, 12:39:35 PM
Post by: olaftab on November 30, 2023, 12:44:29 PM
Would make sense for one of Donk or Chambers to move on. I'd rather see Iroegbunam getting the chance when the first team midfielders aren't playingIt would make sense for two of Dendoncker and Chambers to move on.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on November 30, 2023, 12:46:29 PM
Quote from: BBC from TeamtalkAston Villa have identified Lens and Ghana midfielder Salis Abdul Samed, 23, as a potential replacement for Brazil midfielder Douglas Luiz, 25, should they be forced to sell.
After a day's break, the Dougie gossip is back on the Beeb.
If he's more of a Defensive Midfielder, we could be scouting him as a replacement for Dendoncker.
Post by: Risso on November 30, 2023, 12:46:59 PM
Post by: AV84 on November 30, 2023, 12:48:31 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on November 30, 2023, 01:01:25 PM
Post by: OCD on November 30, 2023, 01:30:55 PM
Donk to Everton being rumoured. Nothing reliable, and I'm not sure what their financial situation is, but I'd say at the very least we're putting out feelers to move him on. Wasn't he linked to them in the summer too?
Think there was talk that they wanted him on deadline day.
Yeah, the word was that a late bid came in from Everton for him and we turned it down because it didn't give us anytime to bring someone in.
Post by: AV84 on November 30, 2023, 01:33:00 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 30, 2023, 02:02:44 PM
I think we should try and flog Chambers to Man U. They don't seem particularly fussy about who plays back there.
Nah, don't want to improve one of our 'rivals'.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 30, 2023, 02:04:49 PM
Quote from: BBC from TeamtalkAston Villa have identified Lens and Ghana midfielder Salis Abdul Samed, 23, as a potential replacement for Brazil midfielder Douglas Luiz, 25, should they be forced to sell.
After a day's break, the Dougie gossip is back on the Beeb.
If he's more of a Defensive Midfielder, we could be scouting him as a replacement for Dendoncker.
Agreed, after a cursory check he didn't sound like a replacement for Dougie.
Post by: OCD on November 30, 2023, 02:57:46 PM
Post by: Ger Regan on December 02, 2023, 01:51:06 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 02, 2023, 01:55:36 PM
We can probably cross nico Williams off the list for the foreseeable, has signed a new contract
£43 million release clause in it.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 02, 2023, 01:58:36 PM
We can probably cross nico Williams off the list for the foreseeable, has signed a new contract
£43 million release clause in it.
By law.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 02, 2023, 03:02:21 PM
Post by: eamonn on December 02, 2023, 03:02:35 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 02, 2023, 10:23:53 PM
Post by: KevinGage on December 02, 2023, 11:14:06 PM
It's rarefied air and I don't think he deserves it.
Post by: AV84 on December 03, 2023, 12:38:00 AM
Post by: eamonn on December 03, 2023, 12:57:46 AM
Post by: Matt C on December 03, 2023, 02:49:32 AM
Has Keinan Davis scored for Udinese yet?
Due to injury, don’t think he’s played a game for them yet.
Post by: DrGonzo on December 05, 2023, 07:46:40 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 05, 2023, 08:05:27 PM
Kenneth Taylor, defensive midfielder at Ajax being linked with us, and a few other top table prem teams. Replacement for Donk, maybe?
Brilliant name.
Sounds like he should be a backbench MP, or maybe a solicitor in a small town in Suffolk.
Post by: Risso on December 05, 2023, 11:03:26 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/b6dNmyQ/Kenneth-Williams.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b6dNmyQ)
Post by: AV84 on December 05, 2023, 11:11:39 PM
Wolves being linked with Acuña too. Wonder if we've moved on there, and to who? Or are we just keeping Digne now?
Post by: Matt C on December 06, 2023, 12:51:59 AM
Post by: eamonn on December 06, 2023, 01:34:10 AM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 06, 2023, 07:36:14 AM
Is Acuna right or left sided? I think he picked up an injury just after we got linked with him.
He’s a left back.
Post by: johnc on December 06, 2023, 09:19:55 AM
Is Nico Williams going to transform us from a very good top 6/7 team to CL certainties? Much like Gary Penrice transformed BFR's team?Emerynseems to like him. 43M sounds cheap for a young international midfielder. Well it sounds cheap in this day and age
It's rarefied air and I don't think he deserves it.
Post by: coreyfeldman on December 06, 2023, 10:15:42 AM
Post by: AV84 on December 06, 2023, 10:52:20 AM
Would be pretty bizarre for us to sign a left back this winter
I think if we did it would mean moving Digne on, which was the plan in the summer. I think we'd be mad to do that now. Especially to bring in a 32 year old.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 06, 2023, 11:02:53 AM
Would be pretty bizarre for us to sign a left back this winterWe really need a right back.
Post by: Dave P on December 06, 2023, 12:21:07 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 06, 2023, 12:24:45 PM
Seeing that Tavernier for Bournemouth the weekend made me think he'd be good for us but it would be a very MO'N or Gregory thing to do, especially as he'd cost about £30m
And then stick him on the bench and play a CB or CM in that position.
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 06, 2023, 01:22:50 PM
Post by: Dave on December 06, 2023, 01:42:56 PM
Could he be conveerted to a RB like Cash was or do we go for a specialist in that position - i think we need an upgrdae on Cash so clearly we need a recognised player in there
I imagine we'd probably just buy a right-back, rather than spending £30m on Bournemouth's attacking midfielder to go there.
His brother plays right-back for Rangers though. Maybe get him instead.
Post by: OCD on December 06, 2023, 03:10:24 PM
Probably the same will happen when he replaces Dendoncker.
Post by: VillaTim on December 06, 2023, 03:28:35 PM
Would be pretty bizarre for us to sign a left back this wintermaybe Emery has a penchant for them
Post by: Holte L2 on December 07, 2023, 09:10:03 AM
Post by: DrGonzo on December 07, 2023, 10:25:02 AM
Another striker is important if we get any distance in the FA cup. A defensive RB so that Konsa can get some rest will be important too.
Post by: Risso on December 07, 2023, 10:34:07 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on December 07, 2023, 10:53:51 AM
Post by: Smithy on December 07, 2023, 10:57:56 AM
This is the window where Monchi can really prove himself to the fans. I suspect we'll only bring in a couple from abroad, as anyone from the UK is already going to be on crazy wages. That brings risk, but I don't think we can't afford the finished article with a Premier league track record?
Post by: Smithy on December 07, 2023, 11:07:37 AM
It would be a big surprise if Rashford left ManU, if he left them for Villa it would be a surprise akin to discovering alien life. In your shed.
Next year, who knows :-)
I do think there will be players out there looking at what's happening here, not just with results, but how players have improved over the last year. Ollie is only behind Haaland and Salah for goals and assists. Bailey looks unrecognisable, McGinn has gone up about four levels, Konsa in the England squad.
I would bet there are good players out there now looking at us, and at their current situation, and thinking "I wonder what Emery could do to take me to a new level?" That effect can't be underestimated. We look like a very attractive option for up-and-coming ambitious players.
Post by: AV82EC on December 07, 2023, 11:13:08 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on December 07, 2023, 11:20:29 AM
Post by: Rotterdam on December 07, 2023, 11:21:27 AM
I'd go after Ivan 'Punter' Toney.
Post by: Holte L2 on December 07, 2023, 11:23:07 AM
All true enough, but Rashford isn't an up and coming player, he's an established international at a club that don't need or want to sell him.
By all accounts they might want too. Reports are that both parties are unhappy. That's what got me thinking about him.
At the end of the day whoever Unai signs will be the right fit. It's just nice to discuss amongst lovely fellow supports whilst we are all very tired (and struggling to do any productive work) today.
Post by: Holte L2 on December 07, 2023, 11:23:44 AM
Rashford is on too much money and has been suggested.
I'd go after Ivan 'Punter' Toney.
No chance. He won't press and run like Ollie does. We'd end up selling him in West Ham for half the price.
Post by: Holte L2 on December 07, 2023, 11:28:14 AM
If there’s one player who’s turned up at Villa park and looked every inch a top 6 player it’s Eze at Palace. He would massively increase our wide attacking options but would be big big money. As others have said I think Monchi will be looking at a right back and a support striker to Watkins both from Europe.
I said the same a few weeks ago.
Post by: PeterWithe on December 07, 2023, 11:31:02 AM
All true enough, but Rashford isn't an up and coming player, he's an established international at a club that don't need or want to sell him.
By all accounts they might want too. Reports are that both parties are unhappy. That's what got me thinking about him.
At the end of the day whoever Unai signs will be the right fit. It's just nice to discuss amongst lovely fellow supports whilst we are all very tired (and struggling to do any productive work) today.
I'd bet he'll outlast TenHag, at which point he wont be unhappy any more.
Post by: algy on December 07, 2023, 11:40:26 AM
Would be pretty bizarre for us to sign a left back this winter*thinks back to the Steve Bruce era*
Post by: LukeJames on December 07, 2023, 11:41:14 AM
Post by: algy on December 07, 2023, 11:45:12 AM
Rashford is on too much money and has been suggested.Imagine him and Zaniolo in the same team ..
I'd go after Ivan 'Punter' Toney.
Post by: Risso on December 07, 2023, 11:47:11 AM
All true enough, but Rashford isn't an up and coming player, he's an established international at a club that don't need or want to sell him.
By all accounts they might want too. Reports are that both parties are unhappy. That's what got me thinking about him.
At the end of the day whoever Unai signs will be the right fit. It's just nice to discuss amongst lovely fellow supports whilst we are all very tired (and struggling to do any productive work) today.
I'd bet he'll outlast TenHag, at which point he wont be unhappy any more.
That's it, he looks like he's going through the motions until the next bloke comes in. Rashford is a very good player, but he'd cost a fortune, be on enormous wages and they'd never want to sell him to us. Just doesn't strike me as an Emery type player at all, there's much better value out there, as the purchases of Torres and Diaby have shown.
Post by: LeeB on December 07, 2023, 12:40:11 PM
The lad at PSG looks handy and his contract is up in the summer.
Post by: paul_e on December 07, 2023, 12:41:25 PM
Can we just sign Frimpong from our German feeder club please.
If we're looking there I reckon Boniface will become a top striker in the next couple of years.
Post by: Monty on December 07, 2023, 12:50:42 PM
Can we just sign Frimpong from our German feeder club please.
If we're looking there I reckon Boniface will become a top striker in the next couple of years.
Certainly has a great conversion record in Germany.
Post by: AV84 on December 07, 2023, 12:52:18 PM
Post by: john e on December 07, 2023, 01:07:36 PM
But it’s totally unrealistic, Most of the players they list are on £1 million a month, no one is going to be paying that for the same reason as they want to get rid of them
I think our midfield that totally dominated outplayed and outclassed Man City last night cost about 17 million, so it can be done.
I know we will have to start paying big money for players we want but wages I think will always be the biggest problem
Post by: paul_e on December 07, 2023, 01:41:14 PM
Can we just sign Frimpong from our German feeder club please.
If we're looking there I reckon Boniface will become a top striker in the next couple of years.
Certainly has a great conversion record in Germany.
and on top of that he seems to have everything you want in a modern striker. He reminds me of Benteke in the bits I've seen of him.
Post by: AV84 on December 07, 2023, 01:44:46 PM
I assume we'll have to start paying some of our players more, and starting new players oh higher wages than we've done in the past, but I'd hope there's someone sensible making those calls. Chelsea and Man U are perfect examples of what happens when there's clowns calling the shots.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 07, 2023, 01:47:58 PM
Can we just sign Frimpong from our German feeder club please.
If we're looking there I reckon Boniface will become a top striker in the next couple of years.
Certainly has a great conversion record in Germany.
and on top of that he seems to have everything you want in a modern striker. He reminds me of Benteke in the bits I've seen of him.
Bit of a whoosh there Paul!
Post by: paul_e on December 07, 2023, 02:07:41 PM
Can we just sign Frimpong from our German feeder club please.
If we're looking there I reckon Boniface will become a top striker in the next couple of years.
Certainly has a great conversion record in Germany.
and on top of that he seems to have everything you want in a modern striker. He reminds me of Benteke in the bits I've seen of him.
Bit of a whoosh there Paul!
Honestly I'm so hungover that I still can't see it.
Post by: Ads on December 07, 2023, 02:10:40 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 07, 2023, 02:11:55 PM
Post by: Ads on December 07, 2023, 02:14:43 PM
Only on H&V etc.
Come for the 8th century religious puns, stay for the leg room.
Post by: paul_e on December 07, 2023, 02:16:45 PM
Post by: Risso on December 07, 2023, 02:35:56 PM
Post by: rougegorge on December 07, 2023, 04:21:40 PM
Whilst we have Duran developing, and Diaby and Bailey maybe could adapt, we know we are very reliant on Watkins staying fit and on form all season, which in itself is a risk that needs mitigation.
I think Dominic Solanke could be a good backup or complement and could develop further. Whilst his goals per game ratio is not that great, you have to factor in that he has been playing at a team that often struggles. However, he is quite quick, mobile and has a good age profile (26). Prising away players who are regular first-teamers would be a challenge, but if our stock rises, it makes that more possible.
Post by: AV84 on December 07, 2023, 05:11:21 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on December 07, 2023, 05:25:18 PM
Post by: Villaininexile on December 07, 2023, 05:30:53 PM
Would you want bet against them....Rashford is on too much money and has been suggested.Imagine him and Zaniolo in the same team ..
I'd go after Ivan 'Punter' Toney.
Post by: AV84 on December 07, 2023, 05:34:44 PM
77 games, 17 goals. I'd be inclined to pass on him thanks.
I'm not getting into this never ending discussion again but we're talking about 1) a backup option for Watkins, and 2) someone who is already established in the league. So you're talking 20 minutes at the end of games, and the occasional full match if Watkins had a knock or just needed a rest. We already have Duran, and goals coming from everywhere else on the pitch. So we're highly unlikely to be signing someone who has massive goal numbers in the Premiership already.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 07, 2023, 05:42:54 PM
I didn't get it either Paul, and it's not even because I'm hungover.
Obviously not fans of Sister Boniface Mysteries. :(
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 07, 2023, 05:51:03 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on December 07, 2023, 06:02:24 PM
Post by: Clampy on December 07, 2023, 06:25:57 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 07, 2023, 07:09:00 PM
I've no idea who/what AS is, but nice to have a new name thrown into the mix.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 07, 2023, 07:32:42 PM
Post by: paul_e on December 07, 2023, 07:33:04 PM
Being linked with winger Alex Baena from Villarreal. His release clause is €60mil but according to AS(?) Monchi has already been in touch with an offer of €40mil and they reckon Villareal like us and the player is a good friend of Torres' which might swing it for us.
I've no idea who/what AS is, but nice to have a new name thrown into the mix.
From what I've seen he reminds me of Buendia, I think he was linked to us in the summer as well.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 07, 2023, 07:37:07 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 07, 2023, 07:37:37 PM
Being linked with winger Alex Baena from Villarreal. His release clause is €60mil but according to AS(?) Monchi has already been in touch with an offer of €40mil and they reckon Villareal like us and the player is a good friend of Torres' which might swing it for us.
Unai knows him and he plays on the left so it's one that would seem to make sense.
Post by: paul_e on December 07, 2023, 08:22:05 PM
They might like us but not 20 million less, like us :D
It doesn't really work like that in Spain and Portugal where release clauses are mandatory. Everywhere else it's a fee that both parties see as acceptable, in Spain it's generally as high as the club can get the player to agree to so a lot of them are miles above what the club would take.
Post by: OCD on December 07, 2023, 08:56:54 PM
Post by: Dave on December 07, 2023, 09:10:53 PM
Torres went for much lower than his release fee.
And we got Moreno for a third of what the internet says his was.
Post by: garyellis on December 07, 2023, 09:14:27 PM
Not ideal but there can be opportunities.
Post by: Holy Trinity on December 07, 2023, 09:47:12 PM
That said for the first time in years I'm ot desperate for us to sign anyone.
A right back would be nice and a veteran striker, neither have to cost the earth.
Post by: KevinGage on December 07, 2023, 10:09:39 PM
Being linked with winger Alex Baena from Villarreal. His release clause is €60mil but according to AS(?) Monchi has already been in touch with an offer of €40mil and they reckon Villareal like us and the player is a good friend of Torres' which might swing it for us.
Unai knows him and he plays on the left so it's one that would seem to make sense.
Why would they like us, when we've taken their most successful manager and hometown hero captain?
They must dread getting calls and emails from us.
Post by: john e on December 07, 2023, 10:19:26 PM
if you could take one which one would you take
Eze
Bowen
Smith Rowe
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 07, 2023, 10:21:04 PM
Just been having a hypothetical debate in our house
if you could take one which one would you take
Eze
Bowen
Smith Rowe
Eze is the most talented player in that list
Post by: LeeB on December 07, 2023, 10:21:41 PM
Just been having a hypothetical debate in our house
if you could take one which one would you take
Eze
Bowen
Smith Rowe
I think it's a toss up between Bowen and Eze, but Bowen would be more immediate use to us.
Post by: paul_e on December 07, 2023, 10:23:47 PM
Just been having a hypothetical debate in our house
if you could take one which one would you take
Eze
Bowen
Smith Rowe
Smith-Rowe is too much of a risk. Nothing much between the other 2 but I suspect Eze has the higher ceiling so I'd lean towards him but Bowen scores more so it's a really tough call.
Post by: AV84 on December 07, 2023, 10:23:52 PM
Being linked with winger Alex Baena from Villarreal. His release clause is €60mil but according to AS(?) Monchi has already been in touch with an offer of €40mil and they reckon Villareal like us and the player is a good friend of Torres' which might swing it for us.
Unai knows him and he plays on the left so it's one that would seem to make sense.
Why would they like us, when we've taken their most successful manager and hometown hero captain?
They must dread getting calls and emails from us.
The article kind of implied that we were nice to do business with. I guess maybe some clubs take the piss a bit, or try to rip teams off, or are just not great to do business with.
Post by: Monty on December 07, 2023, 10:24:08 PM
Just been having a hypothetical debate in our house
if you could take one which one would you take
Eze
Bowen
Smith Rowe
I think it's a toss up between Bowen and Eze, but Bowen would be more immediate use to us.
I agree, but Eze's really fun.
Post by: IFWaters on December 07, 2023, 10:24:46 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 07, 2023, 10:24:49 PM
Just been having a hypothetical debate in our house
if you could take one which one would you take
Eze
Bowen
Smith Rowe
I think it's a toss up between Bowen and Eze, but Bowen would be more immediate use to us.
we have enough right sided players as brilliant as Bowen is. But the Eze can play wide or in the middle so I'd go for him.
Post by: paul_e on December 07, 2023, 10:27:32 PM
Being linked with winger Alex Baena from Villarreal. His release clause is €60mil but according to AS(?) Monchi has already been in touch with an offer of €40mil and they reckon Villareal like us and the player is a good friend of Torres' which might swing it for us.
Unai knows him and he plays on the left so it's one that would seem to make sense.
Why would they like us, when we've taken their most successful manager and hometown hero captain?
They must dread getting calls and emails from us.
The article kind of implied that we were nice to do business with. I guess maybe some clubs take the piss a bit, or try to rip teams off, or are just not great to do business with.
Makes sense, if you look at the comments from most teams we've signed players from you get the impression that we do things the right way. I suspect that's also why so many of our deals seem to go from a rumour to full contract negotiations really quickly, be cause by the time the press know we're interested we've already spoken to the club and know what they're asking. Unlike c**ts like the twat twins in Manchester who seem to have the press do their negotiating for them for weeks to unsettle everyone.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 07, 2023, 10:31:19 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 07, 2023, 10:31:54 PM
Post by: john e on December 07, 2023, 10:37:03 PM
Just been having a hypothetical debate in our house
if you could take one which one would you take
Eze
Bowen
Smith Rowe
Eze is the most talented player in that list
I also went with Eze, although I think Bowen would be a safer bet
Post by: paul_e on December 07, 2023, 10:44:11 PM
you've had a 'mare with quote thing Paul
I don't know what you're talking about! ...
Post by: SamTheMouse on December 07, 2023, 11:00:44 PM
Just been having a hypothetical debate in our house
if you could take one which one would you take
Eze
Bowen
Smith Rowe
Eze is the most talented player in that list
I also went with Eze, although I think Bowen would be a safer bet
Bowen for me. He'd slot in perfectly in the same role that Bailey played last night, and could probably even stand in for Watkins in a pinch.
Post by: usav on December 07, 2023, 11:04:00 PM
Post by: Garyth on December 08, 2023, 05:09:58 AM
Only on H&V etc.
Come for the 8th century religious puns, stay for the leg room.
😂👏🏼
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on December 08, 2023, 05:22:52 AM
Just been having a hypothetical debate in our house
if you could take one which one would you take
Eze
Bowen
Smith Rowe
Same order as above. Absolutely love Ezé.
ESR needs to prove he can stay healthy.
Post by: Smithy on December 08, 2023, 09:49:34 AM
What is interesting though is that both of these players, who we're all confident would improve our squad, were Championship players until bought by premier league clubs in their early 20s. It does make me wonder what diamonds Monchi can unearth for us. Maybe not from the Championship, but a few potential superstars flying just below the radar. I don't think we're yet in the market for top-class champions league-ready players who offer almost guaranteed performances from day one, but I'm excited to see who we do add, as I'm pretty sure I'll know bugger-all about them.
Post by: Gareth on December 08, 2023, 10:12:19 AM
Post by: Dave on December 08, 2023, 10:15:19 AM
Post by: paul_e on December 08, 2023, 10:17:08 AM
Both Bowen and Eze would now comfortably break our transfer record, unfortunately. It's the English/Prem premium. They've also both signed new contracts in the last month or so, so their wages would be big and the release clauses (if they exist) would likely be massive.
What is interesting though is that both of these players, who we're all confident would improve our squad, were Championship players until bought by premier league clubs in their early 20s. It does make me wonder what diamonds Monchi can unearth for us. Maybe not from the Championship, but a few potential superstars flying just below the radar. I don't think we're yet in the market for top-class champions league-ready players who offer almost guaranteed performances from day one, but I'm excited to see who we do add, as I'm pretty sure I'll know bugger-all about them.
I can think of a guy doing a fantastic job in the championship who could be one to make the step-up!
Post by: LeeB on December 08, 2023, 11:01:23 AM
Both Bowen and Eze would now comfortably break our transfer record, unfortunately. It's the English/Prem premium. They've also both signed new contracts in the last month or so, so their wages would be big and the release clauses (if they exist) would likely be massive.
What is interesting though is that both of these players, who we're all confident would improve our squad, were Championship players until bought by premier league clubs in their early 20s. It does make me wonder what diamonds Monchi can unearth for us. Maybe not from the Championship, but a few potential superstars flying just below the radar. I don't think we're yet in the market for top-class champions league-ready players who offer almost guaranteed performances from day one, but I'm excited to see who we do add, as I'm pretty sure I'll know bugger-all about them.
I can think of a guy doing a fantastic job in the championship who could be one to make the step-up!
Paul, we've already been burned with Scott Hogan once.
Post by: Risso on December 08, 2023, 11:06:07 AM
Not a terrible shout at all, that.
I can't think of many worse. Flopped at Chelsea, flopped back at Leipzig, why on earth would we touch him with a barge pole? Reportedly on £270,000 a week as well.
Post by: Dave on December 08, 2023, 11:26:37 AM
Not a terrible shout at all, that.
I can't think of many worse. Flopped at Chelsea, flopped back at Leipzig, why on earth would we touch him with a barge pole? Reportedly on £270,000 a week as well.
When he was doing really well at Leipzig it was in a style not too dissimilar to how we play, doing the thing that Bailey / Diaby does for us, but from from the left. Chelsea tried to turn him into a centre-forward. Since being back at Leipzig the likes of Simons and Openda are just doing the job that he used to do better than him (and Nkunku was too, last season).
I'd also fancy Emery to be able to do better with him than other managers have, like he seems to with pretty much every player that he touches.
And assuming we'd be adding in the context of "trying to stay in the top four", I think I'd be more keen on signing a player or two who could help us get there on a short-term basis and then adding bigger and better players in the summer rather than spending tens of millions in January, given the FFP risks.
Not saying that it would be the perfect signing, but if we did (and we almost certainly won't) I could see how it *might* work well.
Post by: Gareth on December 08, 2023, 11:30:15 AM
Not a terrible shout at all, that.
I can't think of many worse. Flopped at Chelsea, flopped back at Leipzig, why on earth would we touch him with a barge pole? Reportedly on £270,000 a week as well.
Wasn’t suggesting him as a permanent in any way :-) because I would back Monchi and co to find the right players but Jan is such an odd market those players might not be gettable until summer.
I would rather have Watkins ->. Duran -> Werner as strike options for 4 months than Watkins -> Duran -> Traore.
Post by: Risso on December 08, 2023, 11:51:57 AM
Post by: Dave on December 08, 2023, 11:58:12 AM
It just smacks of being a bit Heskey-ish. I can see the logic of bringing in players who Emery can improve over time when we're thinking about the next 2-3 years, but for the January window I think it would really need to be somebody who can come in and hit the ground running. No more players like Zaniolo who *might* be OK given time. By the end of Jan we'll probably have 15 or 16 games left, you don't want somebody who's going to take 10+ games to get up to speed.
I think it depends on where we are in the league. If we're four points clear in first towards the end of January, then I think it would be sensible to assume Top 4 was highly likely, and spend accordingly with the expectation of Champions League money the following season to help the revenue bit of the spreadsheet.
If we're fifth, three points away from fourth then we'd need to adjust how we spend.
Post by: OCD on December 08, 2023, 12:08:04 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 08, 2023, 12:13:51 PM
If it's not RB then it does feel like an alternative/support for Watkins is where we should be looking.
Post by: paul_e on December 08, 2023, 12:28:27 PM
I think January will be more about Monchi unearthing Moreno-type signings rather than making Diaby-type signings.
I think we'll see 1 of the latter and 1-2 of the former, I might be wrong but I have a gut feeling that there will be one bigger than we'd expect signing in there.
Post by: LeeB on December 08, 2023, 12:44:37 PM
Post by: CT Villan on December 08, 2023, 12:46:57 PM
Post by: FatSam on December 08, 2023, 01:10:32 PM
Not a terrible shout at all, that.Yes, agreed. Emery seems to like a redemption story too.
Post by: Mister E on December 08, 2023, 05:39:56 PM
I think a lot depends on whether they think Konsa can be the backup RB for the rest of the season. Up until two days ago I fully expected a new RB to be the main, possibly only, business done in January. Now I'm not so sure. I can't see us shelling out massively in January, so it'll be a case of them identifying which position being strengthened would benefit us the most.Konsa really should be picked as a CB, though. If Doku had been fit to play, I'm guessing Konsa could have taken a caning on Wednesday at RB. I really hope we can find a ready-to-start decent RB to support our season's second half.
If it's not RB then it does feel like an alternative/support for Watkins is where we should be looking.
Post by: Mister E on December 08, 2023, 05:41:10 PM
Werner's an interesting one but - I suspect - so low on confidence that we may just see a continuation of misfirings. It's a 'no' from me.Not a terrible shout at all, that.Yes, agreed. Emery seems to like a redemption story too.
Post by: SamTheMouse on December 08, 2023, 06:07:08 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 08, 2023, 06:36:57 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 08, 2023, 07:15:51 PM
Depay could play wide and up front. Not getting a look in at Atletico. Might be a case of swapping one bench for another, although first team opportunities for a striker would be limited for anyone coming in as an understudy.
That's the "problem" we have to contend with if/when looking for a backup. Ideally we'd want someone with a fair bit of experience whose coming to the end of their career and would be happy to just be involved occasionally, but is still good, obviously. Or, the alternative is a young up and coming player who knows a season or two understudying Watkins is a great opportunity to learn, but ultimately backs themselves to take Watkins' spot in the team.
That's basically Ings and Durán, I know, but maybe a loan option is the solution. Someone who needs to get some game time to engineer a move, a mutually beneficial couple of months here, then they're off somewhere else in the summer. It also would give Durán some more time to learn and develop without heaping pressure on him.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on December 08, 2023, 07:33:27 PM
Depay could play wide and up front. Not getting a look in at Atletico. Might be a case of swapping one bench for another, although first team opportunities for a striker would be limited for anyone coming in as an understudy.
Saw him the other night v Barcelona. He came on as sub, looking like he needs to shift some weight.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 08, 2023, 08:00:33 PM
Werner's an interesting one but - I suspect - so low on confidence that we may just see a continuation of misfirings.
Is that a Nazi rocket scientist pun?
Post by: Matt C on December 08, 2023, 08:08:30 PM
Post by: Smithy on December 08, 2023, 08:13:25 PM
A year ago I was terrified Ollie would get injured after we didn't replace Ings, and though he's proven himself to be carved out of granite in the last year, I still fear we're an injury to him away from the wheels falling off. It feels like the drop-off in quality behind him is higher than anywhere else in the squad. I think it would be bordering on negligent to go through a THIRD transfer window without bringing in a proper back-up for him. I hope they correct that this coming window.
Post by: DrGonzo on December 08, 2023, 08:13:38 PM
Is Torres getting any game time with Barcelona now, anyone know?
14 appearances 3 goals
Post by: AV84 on December 08, 2023, 08:16:55 PM
Is Torres getting any game time with Barcelona now, anyone know?
I thought he was doing alright at the start of the season but it seems the last few months he's only getting brief sub appearances in the league. There's rumours starting up again about him moving in January, but apparently he actually wants to move this time.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 08, 2023, 08:20:35 PM
Depay could play wide and up front. Not getting a look in at Atletico. Might be a case of swapping one bench for another, although first team opportunities for a striker would be limited for anyone coming in as an understudy.
Saw him the other night v Barcelona. He came on as sub, looking like he needs to shift some weight.
I wouldn’t like to comment on that, people in glass houses etc…
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 08, 2023, 08:23:53 PM
Is Torres getting any game time with Barcelona now, anyone know?
I thought he was doing alright at the start of the season but it seems the last few months he's only getting brief sub appearances in the league. There's rumours starting up again about him moving in January, but apparently he actually wants to move this time.
BBC rumours, via a Spanish publication, has him saying he wants to stay. Probably more of a case Barcelona want to shift him to get his wages off and free up a squad place.
Post by: AV84 on December 08, 2023, 08:37:11 PM
Is Torres getting any game time with Barcelona now, anyone know?
I thought he was doing alright at the start of the season but it seems the last few months he's only getting brief sub appearances in the league. There's rumours starting up again about him moving in January, but apparently he actually wants to move this time.
BBC rumours, via a Spanish publication, has him saying he wants to stay. Probably more of a case Barcelona want to shift him to get his wages off and free up a squad place.
Goal dot com, via AS, have him willing to leave due to a combination of personnel changes at Barca, a new striker incoming, and the Euros coming up in the summer.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 08, 2023, 08:47:11 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 08, 2023, 11:21:02 PM
The other says Barca want to sell Lenglet to Bayern Munich (and he's intersted too) in January if we'll agree to cut the loan short.
I can understand why he wouldn't be happy with how little he's played but he's been very useful to have for the European games, especially for resting Torres. Although maybe once we're in knockouts Torres would have been playing a bit more anyway?
Post by: tomd2103 on December 09, 2023, 01:03:28 AM
Depay could play wide and up front. Not getting a look in at Atletico. Might be a case of swapping one bench for another, although first team opportunities for a striker would be limited for anyone coming in as an understudy.
That's the "problem" we have to contend with if/when looking for a backup. Ideally we'd want someone with a fair bit of experience whose coming to the end of their career and would be happy to just be involved occasionally, but is still good, obviously. Or, the alternative is a young up and coming player who knows a season or two understudying Watkins is a great opportunity to learn, but ultimately backs themselves to take Watkins' spot in the team.
That's basically Ings and Durán, I know, but maybe a loan option is the solution. Someone who needs to get some game time to engineer a move, a mutually beneficial couple of months here, then they're off somewhere else in the summer. It also would give Durán some more time to learn and develop without heaping pressure on him.
The way we play, we would probably need someone similar to Watkins (ie. mobile and physical), as he plays such a vital role. Ings was just a completely different player and nothing he has done at West Ham suggests that his best days are long gone.
It might be a bit sentimental, but I think Tammy Abraham would be a good option, if fit. He's coming back from injury, so won't be expecting to get a start to begin with and could be eased back in.
Post by: KevinGage on December 09, 2023, 01:40:34 AM
Signing a 26 year old forward who has played for England, played for some of the top clubs in England and Italy and already has an affinity with the supporters could jeopardise that.
Post by: nigel on December 09, 2023, 10:59:53 AM
I think a lot depends on whether they think Konsa can be the backup RB for the rest of the season. Up until two days ago I fully expected a new RB to be the main, possibly only, business done in January. Now I'm not so sure. I can't see us shelling out massively in January, so it'll be a case of them identifying which position being strengthened would benefit us the most.Konsa really should be picked as a CB, though. If Doku had been fit to play, I'm guessing Konsa could have taken a caning on Wednesday at RB. I really hope we can find a ready-to-start decent RB to support our season's second half.
If it's not RB then it does feel like an alternative/support for Watkins is where we should be looking.
I wouldn’t have put money on that, mate.
Post by: ROBBO on December 09, 2023, 11:59:38 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on December 10, 2023, 01:00:06 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 10, 2023, 01:03:23 AM
Potentially another CB on loan if Lenglet is being sought by Bayern, the missing RB as Konsa can't always play there, and the more experienced Watkins backup/upgrade depending who is available. And maybe cover for other positions if we sell people.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 10, 2023, 01:10:18 AM
I wouldn't state buy for a statement of intent, but at least purchase in the one or two areas we might be light.
Potentially another CB on loan if Lenglet is being sought by Bayern, the missing RB as Konsa can't always play there, and the more experienced Watkins backup/upgrade depending who is available. And maybe cover for other positions if we sell people.
I agree with that and your suggestions of potential.areas to upgrade. If Dendoncker moves on, then I think we would probably need to bolster our central midfield options as well.
What I meant by statement of intent was if we were to go out and make a couple of really big, quality signings that said that we are here to challenge.
Post by: OCD on December 10, 2023, 11:13:18 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 10, 2023, 01:18:30 PM
Maybe not in Jan as he might be expensive, but out of all strikers that could be considered as "ambitiously gettable", especially if we can gain Champs League football for next season, he appeals to me the most.
He's fast as fuck, versatile, good with both feet, not too short, works hard, good on the ball & knows where the net is.
He could partner Watkins in the Diaby role, play in place of Watkins, & can also play on either side in the Bailey / McGinn / Ramsey role.
He seems to have a level head on him if how he dealt with transfer options he had on that Sky football agent "documentary" is anything to go by. When he moved to France, he had other "stronger" options. Including the Prem, but he saw France as the perfect place for him to grow before eventually moving to the Prem.
Lutsharel Geertruida or Jeremiah St. Juste would be my choices for RB.
Both can play RB, CB & CDM, both are 6'1", both have a bit of pace, although St. Juste is ridiculously quick, both are better defending than attacking so gives a different option to Cash, both are good on the ball & both can pass the ball well.
St. Juste at 26/27 comes with some injury consistency concerns, so Geertruida at 22/23 might be the more sensible option out of the two for the long term.
Thats if we are going after more versatile defensive RBs.
If not, then Frimpong is another "ambitious" potential target.
Post by: brontebilly on December 10, 2023, 01:32:51 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 10, 2023, 01:33:51 PM
Post by: Risso on December 10, 2023, 01:36:09 PM
Post by: KevinGage on December 10, 2023, 01:51:31 PM
I could see us going for another Alex Moreno-style bargain if the opportunity presents itself and maybe a judicious loan. Our hand may be forced on that one if there's anything in the Lenglet rumours.
I can't see Frimpong moving with Leverkusen currently top of the Bundesliga.
Post by: AV84 on December 10, 2023, 01:52:47 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 10, 2023, 01:57:02 PM
Bound to be a few players at Old Trafford available with the permacrisis there. I think Mount would suit our midfield four setup challenging likes of McGinn, Ramsey and Tielemans. He has lost his way and isn't going to be getting in ahead of Fernandes anytime soon.
I know its nearly Christmas mate but go easy on the sherry.
Post by: Monty on December 10, 2023, 01:58:55 PM
Post by: Clampy on December 10, 2023, 02:00:49 PM
Post by: Ian. on December 10, 2023, 02:03:15 PM
Bound to be a few players at Old Trafford available with the permacrisis there. I think Mount would suit our midfield four setup challenging likes of McGinn, Ramsey and Tielemans. He has lost his way and isn't going to be getting in ahead of Fernandes anytime soon.
Crikey, what with your very stingey after match player ratings I think signing Mount will set a new bar for you. It would be -10 every week! ;)
Post by: Risso on December 10, 2023, 02:05:14 PM
Mount's not a bad player at all really. Not sure he'd suit us though.
No he's not bad, but considering we have Kamara, Luiz, Tielemans and McGinn as midfield options, he's not getting anywhere near our first team.
Post by: AV84 on December 10, 2023, 02:09:54 PM
Post by: Smithy on December 10, 2023, 02:16:36 PM
Mount's not a bad player at all really. Not sure he'd suit us though.
No he's not bad, but considering we have Kamara, Luiz, Tielemans and McGinn as midfield options, he's not getting anywhere near our first team.
And that's the thing, why would he swap United's bench to take Donck's place on ours? Midfield is one of the positions we really don't "need" strengthening. Sure, if really good players become available, then great, but it feels like a VERY low priority for this window (assuming no more major injuries). You would have to think with Luiz, McGinn, Kamara, Ramsey, Tielemens and Donck, we're well covered whatever formation Unai chooses, including options from the bench.
Post by: Risso on December 10, 2023, 02:18:06 PM
I know Emery can work miracles with players but I don't think it needs to be a requirement for every one we buy. I'm sure someone could do a job with Mount but I think in January we should be looking for immediate impact.
Agreed, I said the same recently. We need a potential game changer for the second half of the season, longer term projects can wait for the summer.
Post by: Smithy on December 10, 2023, 02:18:38 PM
Loic Openda would be my ideal choice for striker.
Maybe not in Jan as he might be expensive, but out of all strikers that could be considered as "ambitiously gettable", especially if we can gain Champs League football for next season, he appeals to me the most.
He's fast as fuck, versatile, good with both feet, not too short, works hard, good on the ball & knows where the net is.
He could partner Watkins in the Diaby role, play in place of Watkins, & can also play on either side in the Bailey / McGinn / Ramsey role.
He seems to have a level head on him if how he dealt with transfer options he had on that Sky football agent "documentary" is anything to go by. When he moved to France, he had other "stronger" options. Including the Prem, but he saw France as the perfect place for him to grow before eventually moving to the Prem.
Lutsharel Geertruida or Jeremiah St. Juste would be my choices for RB.
Both can play RB, CB & CDM, both are 6'1", both have a bit of pace, although St. Juste is ridiculously quick, both are better defending than attacking so gives a different option to Cash, both are good on the ball & both can pass the ball well.
St. Juste at 26/27 comes with some injury consistency concerns, so Geertruida at 22/23 might be the more sensible option out of the two for the long term.
Thats if we are going after more versatile defensive RBs.
If not, then Frimpong is another "ambitious" potential target.
Openda looks a great prospect, but they paid about 45million for him 6 months ago. The chances of him leaving in January are basically nil. I suspect he'll do 2 years at Leipzig then get a big £80m+ move. We need to find deals like the one made for him in the summer. If we get champions league, I could see us spending 60m+ on a striker, but not before.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 10, 2023, 02:56:43 PM
Mount's not a bad player at all really. Not sure he'd suit us though.
No he's not bad, but considering we have Kamara, Luiz, Tielemans and McGinn as midfield options, he's not getting anywhere near our first team.
Not the kind of midfielder we need really. Think we need an athletic, physical midfielder who can support Luiz and Kamara and gives us that energy in there.
Post by: brontebilly on December 10, 2023, 04:25:14 PM
Mount's not a bad player at all really. Not sure he'd suit us though.
No he's not bad, but considering we have Kamara, Luiz, Tielemans and McGinn as midfield options, he's not getting anywhere near our first team.
He wouldn't compete with first two but we are light on the sides of midfield. Ramsey and McGinn don't have much competition. Tielemans seems better at 10. Zaniolo is plainly not suited to that role.
Phillips is another one, better than the Donk anyway and if we got him going could compete with Kamara and Luiz. But he hasn't played football properly in some time.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on December 10, 2023, 06:20:06 PM
We definitely need a more athletic upgrade for Dendoncker though, to act as a rotational/cover for our midfield who will otherwise have a massive workload for the rest of the season.
Also another right back. An upgrade on Cash if we can afford it, or a solid back-up or Kesler-Hayden back from loan.
Olsen makes me nervous if Emi gets injured/suspended, so maybe a backup keeper who can play with his feet.
Another striker would be nice, but if we're on the edge of FFP, we're probably not going to get anyone better than Duran anyway.
Players to sell: Chambers, Dendoncker, Olsen, Traore - maybe £10-£15m in there?
Post by: AV84 on December 10, 2023, 06:26:11 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 10, 2023, 06:29:47 PM
Post by: Dave on December 10, 2023, 06:33:49 PM
Mount's not a bad player at all really. Not sure he'd suit us though.
No he's not bad, but considering we have Kamara, Luiz, Tielemans and McGinn as midfield options, he's not getting anywhere near our first team.
Not the kind of midfielder we need really. Think we need an athletic, physical midfielder who can support Luiz and Kamara and gives us that energy in there.
Isn't that the thing that we really needed in the summer and we got Tielemans?
Obviously even more depth would be better, but I don't think we want to sign someone to move ahead of any of our current four at the moment, and I don't think we need to sign anyone who isn't quite as good as them.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 10, 2023, 06:50:03 PM
Mount's not a bad player at all really. Not sure he'd suit us though.
No he's not bad, but considering we have Kamara, Luiz, Tielemans and McGinn as midfield options, he's not getting anywhere near our first team.
Not the kind of midfielder we need really. Think we need an athletic, physical midfielder who can support Luiz and Kamara and gives us that energy in there.
Isn't that the thing that we really needed in the summer and we got Tielemans?
Obviously even more depth would be better, but I don't think we want to sign someone to move ahead of any of our current four at the moment, and I don't think we need to sign anyone who isn't quite as good as them.
I thought similar when we signed him, but having watched him for a few months I’m not really sure Tielemans is like for like for those two to be honest. I thought it was quite noticeable how the energy levels picked up in the second half when the subs came on (understandable given how tired some of the starters were). One poor cross field pass aside, I thought Dendoncker did OK when he came on and made some timely challenges. If he moves on in January, then a bit more mobile version of him would be useful for the closing stages of games.
Post by: Gareth on December 10, 2023, 06:57:13 PM
James Justin at Leicester can play both left and right full back and would suit the style and be a decent squad option. 25 years old.
Liked him when he first got to Leicester…before horrible injuries…is he back playing now?
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 10, 2023, 08:36:50 PM
It is going to be hard to bring in players that will improve us.
Post by: DrGonzo on December 10, 2023, 09:13:36 PM
Post by: OCD on December 10, 2023, 09:28:43 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on December 10, 2023, 09:29:47 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 10, 2023, 09:50:59 PM
Yes he's been back playing championship.James Justin at Leicester can play both left and right full back and would suit the style and be a decent squad option. 25 years old.
Liked him when he first got to Leicester…before horrible injuries…is he back playing now?
Thought likes of him , Ndidi and Iheanacho would have moved.
They would do fine in Prem squads.
No wonder they are comfortable top.
Post by: OCD on December 10, 2023, 10:10:03 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 10, 2023, 10:16:55 PM
I really can see us bringing in that high calibre of player.
Likes of Justin is below that level of course but to me an upgrade on Chambers and has higher potential than Cash
It's not an upgrade though in calibre but in player development it could well be.
I much rather have right back like Hakimi or Dumfries. Frimpong of Leverhausen would be very welcome too.
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 10, 2023, 10:27:00 PM
A wide player appears to be a priority perhaps, and Emery would most likely enhance all of these players, all of whom have Premier League experience but think we'll be looking at higher level.
Signing Zaniolo was a short-term deal based on Monchi familiarity. He hasn't progressed so remains to be seen but Monchi has had time to focus on bringing quality additions who will enhance and fit the style, and being in the top four is fantastic for negotiating deals and attracting players.
Monchi and Emery are ambitious just like the owners they would have planned and outlined what's needed to sustain and progress to the end of the season.
It will be an exciting window for incomings I'm sure of it!
Post by: Steve67 on December 10, 2023, 10:51:33 PM
I think Asensio and Felix would be coming if we were champions league next season.
I really can see us bringing in that high calibre of player.
Likes of Justin is below that level of course but to me an upgrade on Chambers and has higher potential than Cash
It's not an upgrade though in calibre but in player development it could well be.
I much rather have right back like Hakimi or Dumfries. Frimpong of Leverhausen would be very welcome too.
Felix can feck off. Billy big bollocks.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on December 10, 2023, 11:45:21 PM
Like Johnathon David, gone off the boil a bit at Lille but has all the attributes to do well in the Prem.
Would also take Phillips from Man City. Good player.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 10, 2023, 11:47:13 PM
I think Asensio and Felix would be coming if we were champions league next season.
I really can see us bringing in that high calibre of player.
Likes of Justin is below that level of course but to me an upgrade on Chambers and has higher potential than Cash
It's not an upgrade though in calibre but in player development it could well be.
I much rather have right back like Hakimi or Dumfries. Frimpong of Leverhausen would be very welcome too.
Felix can feck off. Billy big bollocks.
Too right he can, struggling to think of a less appropriate signing based on attitude.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 10, 2023, 11:48:23 PM
Would also take Phillips from Man City. Good player.
Happily sat on his arse doing fuck all for two years.
No, ta.
Anyone we sign in January, it is essential they have the right attitude to fit in with the current squad. Scooping up money whilst doing nothing for Man City puts a player at the bottom of the list for me.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 10, 2023, 11:49:56 PM
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Post by: AV84 on December 10, 2023, 11:55:03 PM
If he's still there in the summer, maybe, but in January it's a no.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 11, 2023, 01:02:47 AM
Phillips falls into the same category as Mount for me. I'm sure he'll go and do well for someone but we don't need anymore projects in the squad. He's barely played for the best part of 2 seasons. For comparison, Carlos played only 90 minutes less for us last season than Phillips did for Man City.
If he's still there in the summer, maybe, but in January it's a no.
I don't really see Mount fitting in to the way we play, but Phillips would. Doubt they would let him come to us at the moment though.
Post by: eamonn on December 11, 2023, 01:41:10 AM
Post by: Garyth on December 11, 2023, 02:25:20 AM
He doesn’t seem to have stand-out eye catching qualities, but multiple managers persist in picking him, due to his willingness and ability to implement a game plan/tactical instructions.
We have a first squad capable of competing at the top of the league now, so anyone coming has to be a team player, and most importantly, be willing to do the work that Emery will require from them without being an asshole in the dressing room.
Post by: Smirker on December 11, 2023, 05:54:15 AM
Are there any wiley strikers in Europe aged 31-35 who have been there and done that, and would be happy to give Ollie a breather/assistance when called upon?
Danny Ings? 😂
Would have been the perfect time to get Suárez wouldn't it? Maybe he would if you said he might have a chance of getting that PL medal he missed out on.
Benteke?
Javier Hernández doesn't have a club atm. 35, scores goals and has won a couple of Premier Leagues.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 11, 2023, 08:40:59 AM
He’d be too much in January but I really like what Solanke offers as a second striker. He’s big, strong, good eye for goal and puts in a proper shift.I was thinking the same.
Exactly the sort of player we need.
Post by: Gareth on December 11, 2023, 09:59:14 AM
Would also take Phillips from Man City. Good player.
Happily sat on his arse doing fuck all for two years.
No, ta.
Anyone we sign in January, it is essential they have the right attitude to fit in with the current squad. Scooping up money whilst doing nothing for Man City puts a player at the bottom of the list for me.
I’d probably pass on Phillips…never given off the impression of being robust and regularly fit and two years of inactivity will make him a risk for anyone to sign…wouldn’t be shocked if he goes back to Leeds on loan in Jan unless the likes of Forest or Palace go in
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 11, 2023, 10:08:00 AM
Would also take Phillips from Man City. Good player.
Happily sat on his arse doing fuck all for two years.
No, ta.
Anyone we sign in January, it is essential they have the right attitude to fit in with the current squad. Scooping up money whilst doing nothing for Man City puts a player at the bottom of the list for me.
I’d probably pass on Phillips…never given off the impression of being robust and regularly fit and two years of inactivity will make him a risk for anyone to sign…wouldn’t be shocked if he goes back to Leeds on loan in Jan unless the likes of Forest or Palace go in
Normally, if they weren't in such a financial hole, he'd be absolutely an Everton style signing. He'd go there on massive wages, do fuck all for 4 years, and then go somewhere like whoever that year's surprise promoted team is, that year's Luton.
Post by: LeeB on December 11, 2023, 10:39:07 AM
Post by: Monty on December 11, 2023, 10:40:44 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on December 11, 2023, 11:10:46 AM
Post by: OCD on December 11, 2023, 11:49:18 AM
I don't know anything about transfers anymore, I just float on the prevailing breeze. Was watching Man Utd-Bournemouth and think 'that Solanke, he'd do well for us', then I read it's his second good game in 200 years or something.
Solanke seems to have hit his stride this season but they would want a fortune for him.
Post by: Tayls_7 on December 11, 2023, 12:51:01 PM
Plays to a high standard with bags of further potential.
Post by: brontebilly on December 11, 2023, 12:55:05 PM
I don't know anything about transfers anymore, I just float on the prevailing breeze. Was watching Man Utd-Bournemouth and think 'that Solanke, he'd do well for us', then I read it's his second good game in 200 years or something.
Thought he dominated our CBs a few games ago. He always had potential and seems to be kicking on this season. Proper forwards goal from him at the weekend, movement off Maguire to front post and clever finish.
Post by: Risso on December 11, 2023, 12:56:20 PM
How gettable is Evan Ferguson at Brighton AND Hove Olbeyun?
Plays to a high standard with bags of further potential.
Like all their players, gettable, he'd just cost £100m.
Post by: Risso on December 11, 2023, 12:57:30 PM
Post by: Baldy on December 11, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Wonder if we will be looking at Saudi Arabia for loan players, they wont have been that exerted playing over there and there are a few who could maybe fill squad places.
IMHO, probably not.
We all know Unai is meticulous to detail and probably has a list of 'requirements' before considering any new player. Things like:
Ability
Commitment
Loyalty
Ability to learn/adapt
Here to win trophies for Aston Villa (not just any Premier League Club)
Off field behavior
'Love of money'
Team player
Responsible
Ambition/Hunger
and so on. Wouldn't surprise me if Unai and his backroom staff do Social Media checks, Credit checks and whatever other background checks are available before considering making any offer. The player 'as a person' is just as important as their ability.
Not like Man Utd/Chelsea who seem to base their recruitment on Youtube clips!!
I think Unai would dismiss any Saudi Arabia links due to the players overall desire for money and greed.
Just a thought.
Post by: Risso on December 11, 2023, 01:11:47 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 11, 2023, 01:19:07 PM
Didn't seem to have done all that for Zaniolo...
I still think there is a player in Zaniolo somewhere.
Whether we have enough time to find it though, is another matter entirely...
Post by: Smirker on December 11, 2023, 01:21:30 PM
How gettable is Evan Ferguson at Brighton AND Hove Olbeyun?
Plays to a high standard with bags of further potential.
Like all their players, gettable, he'd just cost £100m.
Yep and we wouldn't be the only ones after him. No chance. And I would hope we wouldn't pay that much for him.
Post by: stevo_st on December 11, 2023, 01:22:00 PM
Post by: Monty on December 11, 2023, 01:23:07 PM
Post by: Baldy on December 11, 2023, 01:23:50 PM
Didn't seem to have done all that for Zaniolo...
Probably will if they ever consider a permanent contract. A temporary contract can just be a very long interview!!
Post by: Goldenballs on December 11, 2023, 01:25:41 PM
Post by: Ian. on December 11, 2023, 01:26:49 PM
I think the improvement we've seen in Bailey, Tielemans etc should really teach us not to write off anybody.
My thoughts and why I’m not too worried about Zaniola yet.
Post by: Risso on December 11, 2023, 01:31:10 PM
Post by: Monty on December 11, 2023, 01:34:02 PM
Post by: Risso on December 11, 2023, 01:36:09 PM
We said similar about Bailey. Who was, let's not forget, incredibly terrible at one stage.
We didn't have the options then that we do now, and we weren't going for the title. As things stand, we have Diaby and Ramsey on the bench so it's hard to see Zaniolo getting much time ahead of them, in the league at least.
Post by: Dave on December 11, 2023, 01:37:07 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 11, 2023, 01:39:06 PM
With Ramsey back now, it's hard to see Zaniolo getting much action in the Premier League. Now we're right in the mix, we really can't afford the time for somebody to be learning on the job. It was like playing with ten men that last game he started.
It might mean that with Ramsey coming back into the fold that Zaniolo is used in a different role that suits him better.
Most of his games for Roma & Galatasaray were either on the right hand side, or in the centre.
Don't get me wrong, he might be shit & we get rid, (which would make the loan options a stroke of genius), I just think there is still a player in him if we can coax it out of him somehow...
Post by: Risso on December 11, 2023, 01:39:35 PM
Here's to Zaniolo pinging in a hat-trick on Thursday and giving Emery a massive selection headache.
That would be nice, albeit unlikely.
Post by: LeeB on December 11, 2023, 01:41:41 PM
Post by: Monty on December 11, 2023, 01:59:05 PM
We said similar about Bailey. Who was, let's not forget, incredibly terrible at one stage.
We didn't have the options then that we do now, and we weren't going for the title. As things stand, we have Diaby and Ramsey on the bench so it's hard to see Zaniolo getting much time ahead of them, in the league at least.
Unless he improves, which based on what he's done in the past and Emery being literally the best coach in the known universe, is something I'm not ruling out!
Also - injuries etc. We'll need everybody.
Post by: AV84 on December 11, 2023, 03:03:56 PM
How gettable is Evan Ferguson at Brighton AND Hove Olbeyun?
Plays to a high standard with bags of further potential.
Like all their players, gettable, he'd just cost £100m.
Yep and we wouldn't be the only ones after him. No chance. And I would hope we wouldn't pay that much for him.
He's signed 3 contracts with them in the space of 18 months. I'd imagine they'd have no intention of selling him and if anyone chanced their arm at it they'd be looking for an extortionate amount.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 11, 2023, 03:28:50 PM
I think it's far more likely Monchi and Emery will be looking at players abroad rather than existing Premier League players. Far more value that way I reckon.
Ones that only speak Spanish probably
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 11, 2023, 03:34:07 PM
Surely we will be active in the US market.I think it's far more likely Monchi and Emery will be looking at players abroad rather than existing Premier League players. Far more value that way I reckon.
Ones that only speak Spanish probably
Post by: rougegorge on December 11, 2023, 03:45:35 PM
I would also be looking at Tavernier. Admittedly first teamers at Premier League clubs don't come cheaply but we probably don't need more than a couple at the moment.
Post by: Risso on December 11, 2023, 04:05:50 PM
Surely we will be active in the US market.I think it's far more likely Monchi and Emery will be looking at players abroad rather than existing Premier League players. Far more value that way I reckon.
Ones that only speak Spanish probably
That Chris Heck needs to pull his finger out. You’d think he could have signed Landon Donovan or Clint Dempsey at least by now.
Post by: UK Redsox on December 11, 2023, 04:59:19 PM
Surely we will be active in the US market.I think it's far more likely Monchi and Emery will be looking at players abroad rather than existing Premier League players. Far more value that way I reckon.
Ones that only speak Spanish probably
That Chris Heck needs to pull his finger out. You’d think he could have signed Landon Donovan or Clint Dempsey at least by now.
Announce Altidore
Post by: IFWaters on December 11, 2023, 06:57:42 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 11, 2023, 07:10:46 PM
Surely we will be active in the US market.I think it's far more likely Monchi and Emery will be looking at players abroad rather than existing Premier League players. Far more value that way I reckon.
Ones that only speak Spanish probably
You may mock but there is distinct possibility of signings from MLS and La Liga. Especially from Spain.
Monchi has never signed an English player.
Post by: algy on December 11, 2023, 07:18:44 PM
Post by: OCD on December 11, 2023, 07:31:35 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 11, 2023, 07:44:03 PM
Neither has Heck! :-[Surely we will be active in the US market.I think it's far more likely Monchi and Emery will be looking at players abroad rather than existing Premier League players. Far more value that way I reckon.
Ones that only speak Spanish probably
You may mock but there is distinct possibility of signings from MLS and La Liga. Especially from Spain.
Monchi has never signed an English player.
Post by: Mister E on December 11, 2023, 09:17:10 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 11, 2023, 09:26:10 PM
We're in a great position and there's a great opportunity for high achieving this season. Bringing in high calibre would really be a statement.
Post by: nick harper on December 11, 2023, 09:31:09 PM
Emery may also prefer not to disrupt the squad and stick with what he has. And FFP may also have an impact. My gut feel is we won’t bring anyone in unless there is an opportunity for one or two go out, or if we get longer term injuries in the next 6 weeks.
Post by: LeeB on December 11, 2023, 09:33:45 PM
I would have thought to have an immediate positive impact on the current squad, it has to be one or two with premier league experience. It’s extremely difficult for players to make an immediate impression if they’ve not experienced the pace and intensity before.
Emery may also prefer not to disrupt the squad and stick with what he has. And FFP may also have an impact. My gut feel is we won’t bring anyone in unless there is an opportunity for one or two go out, or if we get longer term injuries in the next 6 weeks.
It's an old trope about 'Premier League experience' but I think you're right and probably more true than it ever was.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 11, 2023, 09:37:07 PM
Post by: Bad English on December 11, 2023, 09:38:23 PM
A lot of Monchi's signings for Sevilla were from France.What were their lunch boxes like?
Post by: AV84 on December 11, 2023, 09:41:32 PM
Tammys back in light training at Roma. Expected to be able to play again late January. Just sayin ....
I think even a loan for the rest of the season would be a good move there. He's coming back from a long lay off so probably wouldn't mind limited playing time, as long as he gets some. If he's no good we're no worse off and send him back in May. If he's amazing we keep him. If he's only alright, he might bag himself a move back to England with someone else. Obviously it would be dependant on his fitness and getting a good deal on him.
Post by: Risso on December 11, 2023, 09:44:36 PM
Post by: jwarry on December 11, 2023, 09:45:07 PM
Tammys back in light training at Roma. Expected to be able to play again late January. Just sayin ....
I think even a loan for the rest of the season would be a good move there. He's coming back from a long lay off so probably wouldn't mind limited playing time, as long as he gets some. If he's no good we're no worse off and send him back in May. If he's amazing we keep him. If he's only alright, he might bag himself a move back to England with someone else. Obviously it would be dependant on his fitness and getting a good deal on him.
Or we are not in the market for unfit championship players
Post by: Bad English on December 11, 2023, 09:49:12 PM
Tammy on a loan would be great business.Not for me thanks!
Post by: AV84 on December 11, 2023, 09:51:18 PM
Tammys back in light training at Roma. Expected to be able to play again late January. Just sayin ....
I think even a loan for the rest of the season would be a good move there. He's coming back from a long lay off so probably wouldn't mind limited playing time, as long as he gets some. If he's no good we're no worse off and send him back in May. If he's amazing we keep him. If he's only alright, he might bag himself a move back to England with someone else. Obviously it would be dependant on his fitness and getting a good deal on him.
Or we are not in the market for unfit championship players
58 Prem appearances for Chelsea with 21 goals. 13 European appearances, 4 goals.
31 Prem appearances for Swansea with 5 goals.
75 Serie A appearances and 25 goals for Roma. 28 in Europe with 10 goals.
Post by: LeeB on December 11, 2023, 09:58:02 PM
Tammy on a loan would be great business.Not for me thanks!
I be bang up for a loan, I'm a bit sceptical on him but would be happy to have a look at him with Emery.
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 11, 2023, 11:57:59 PM
Post by: brontebilly on December 12, 2023, 12:29:32 AM
We said similar about Bailey. Who was, let's not forget, incredibly terrible at one stage.
European football has been great for getting Bailey and Tielemans up to speed. Bailey's lows with us were horrific for sure, the final games of Smith's and Gerrard's reign were rock bottom. He was even subbed on/off at Liverpool earlier this season (thought that was very harsh at the time). But even at end of last season without ever being convincing he was chipping in with goals and assists. It's been a masterclass in man management from Emery to recover his career. His form has also given Diaby a breather, still was excellent v Legia and set up equaliser at Bournemouth.
PL football was simply miles too quick for Tielemans until recent weeks. That role off Watkins suits him and gives us a different option. I just don't see where Zaniolo fits with us but self belief is on the floor currently, a goal or two might see him kick on.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 12, 2023, 12:57:30 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on December 12, 2023, 09:11:40 AM
Think we'll see a lot of the full subs used in the coming weeks so I still think Zaniolo will get time at the end of games, he needs to grab his chances though.The thing is he's so careless with the ball he seems to be exactly the wrong player to bring on at the end of games. Hopefully he can get some Euro time and play himself into form. A goal would be nice.
Post by: Mellin on December 12, 2023, 10:03:50 AM
We're interested in Red Bull Salzburg's Israeli midfielder Oscar Gloukh, 19, according to Football Insider.
Signed him on Football Manager a few weeks back. Same thing happened with a certain Juan Pablo Angel over 20 years ago. Get him signed.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 12, 2023, 10:07:48 AM
We're interested in Red Bull Salzburg's Israeli midfielder Oscar Gloukh, 19, according to Football Insider.
Signed him on Football Manager a few weeks back. Same thing happened with a certain Juan Pablo Angel over 20 years ago. Get him signed.
isn't football insider a lot of nonsense ?
Post by: Dave on December 12, 2023, 10:08:19 AM
We're interested in Red Bull Salzburg's Israeli midfielder Oscar Gloukh, 19, according to Football Insider.
Signed him on Football Manager a few weeks back. Same thing happened with a certain Juan Pablo Angel over 20 years ago. Get him signed.
isn't football insider a lot of nonsense ?
It is, but that's why we have this thread.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 12, 2023, 10:14:39 AM
We're interested in Red Bull Salzburg's Israeli midfielder Oscar Gloukh, 19, according to Football Insider.
Signed him on Football Manager a few weeks back. Same thing happened with a certain Juan Pablo Angel over 20 years ago. Get him signed.
isn't football insider a lot of nonsense ?
It is, but that's why we have this thread.
Tis true I will stand down
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 12, 2023, 11:01:09 AM
Tammy is certainly a goalscorer but he is nowhere the same type of team player Watkins is. I would rather continue with Duran as his raw energy at least offers a true alternative if needed.
What if Duran gets injured does Watkins play every single game for 90 minutes?
Post by: Dave on December 12, 2023, 11:11:05 AM
Tammy is certainly a goalscorer but he is nowhere the same type of team player Watkins is. I would rather continue with Duran as his raw energy at least offers a true alternative if needed.
What if Duran gets injured does Watkins play every single game for 90 minutes?
I imagine Diaby or Zaniolo get a bit of extra game time. If Roma were happy to loan him out for six months, then fine. An extra body is no bad thing.
But I don't see why they'd want to do that and I definitely don't think we should be chucking £25m at them for him if they're not.
Post by: OCD on December 12, 2023, 12:55:34 PM
Post by: nick harper on December 12, 2023, 01:08:51 PM
Abraham on loan would be a great bit of business.
But, is he going to make a meaningful difference this season? He’s been out for months. Any player coming back from serious long term injury usually take time and patience to find fitness and form. That’s why even if Buendia and Mings were fit before the end of the season, they won’t make an impact.
Post by: OCD on December 12, 2023, 01:16:35 PM
Post by: Monty on December 12, 2023, 01:18:43 PM
Not that there's any indication that any of this is in his mind.
Post by: AV84 on December 12, 2023, 01:41:34 PM
Tammy is certainly a goalscorer but he is nowhere the same type of team player Watkins is. I would rather continue with Duran as his raw energy at least offers a true alternative if needed.
What if Duran gets injured does Watkins play every single game for 90 minutes?
I imagine Diaby or Zaniolo get a bit of extra game time. If Roma were happy to loan him out for six months, then fine. An extra body is no bad thing.
But I don't see why they'd want to do that and I definitely don't think we should be chucking £25m at them for him if they're not.
There were rumours a few weeks ago that Roma had alerted clubs to Abraham being available for transfer, and that the player himself wanted a move back to England. It was all talking about in the summer, I think, but if we really did agree to buy him before he was injured, there might be a deal to be done now. I don't think Abraham is necessarily the answer to all our problems (not that we have many) but we've discussed the difficulties in getting another striker in, and Abraham coming back from injury might just fit the bill in the short term.
Post by: Dave on December 12, 2023, 01:46:00 PM
Tammy is certainly a goalscorer but he is nowhere the same type of team player Watkins is. I would rather continue with Duran as his raw energy at least offers a true alternative if needed.
What if Duran gets injured does Watkins play every single game for 90 minutes?
I imagine Diaby or Zaniolo get a bit of extra game time. If Roma were happy to loan him out for six months, then fine. An extra body is no bad thing.
But I don't see why they'd want to do that and I definitely don't think we should be chucking £25m at them for him if they're not.
There were rumours a few weeks ago that Roma had alerted clubs to Abraham being available for transfer, and that the player himself wanted a move back to England. It was all talking about in the summer, I think, but if we really did agree to buy him before he was injured, there might be a deal to be done now. I don't think Abraham is necessarily the answer to all our problems (not that we have many) but we've discussed the difficulties in getting another striker in, and Abraham coming back from injury might just fit the bill in the short term.
If I were all the parties involved, I would have thought that a straight Abraham / Lukaku swap is the thing that makes sense for everyone.
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 12, 2023, 01:54:02 PM
Arsenal signed Trossard £27m and Jorginho £12m
Cody Gakpo and Antony Gordon were signed for £45m
Newcastle finished 4th
Liverpool finished 5th
Chelsea in January were someone rampant
Enzo Fernandez £105m
Mykhailo Mudryk - Shakhtar Donetsk, £88m
Benoit Badiashile - £35m
Noni Madueke - £29m
Malo Gusto - £26.3m
Joao Felix - Loan
This January. Important to strengthen squad.
I think Villa have to bring one or two strong, quality players and excited to see who is coming in.
Post by: OCD on December 12, 2023, 02:06:15 PM
Post by: danno on December 12, 2023, 02:18:24 PM
Tammy is certainly a goalscorer but he is nowhere the same type of team player Watkins is. I would rather continue with Duran as his raw energy at least offers a true alternative if needed.
What if Duran gets injured does Watkins play every single game for 90 minutes?
I imagine Diaby or Zaniolo get a bit of extra game time. If Roma were happy to loan him out for six months, then fine. An extra body is no bad thing.
But I don't see why they'd want to do that and I definitely don't think we should be chucking £25m at them for him if they're not.
There were rumours a few weeks ago that Roma had alerted clubs to Abraham being available for transfer, and that the player himself wanted a move back to England. It was all talking about in the summer, I think, but if we really did agree to buy him before he was injured, there might be a deal to be done now. I don't think Abraham is necessarily the answer to all our problems (not that we have many) but we've discussed the difficulties in getting another striker in, and Abraham coming back from injury might just fit the bill in the short term.
If I were all the parties involved, I would have thought that a straight Abraham / Lukaku swap is the thing that makes sense for everyone.
I think it makes sense for three of the four parties involved. Chelsea Roma and Lukaku. I’m not sure it makes quite as much sense for Tammy unless he truly believes that his arrival and Poch as coach can turn things around.
All depends what other parties are interested in him I suppose.
Post by: AV84 on December 12, 2023, 02:26:03 PM
Tammy is certainly a goalscorer but he is nowhere the same type of team player Watkins is. I would rather continue with Duran as his raw energy at least offers a true alternative if needed.
What if Duran gets injured does Watkins play every single game for 90 minutes?
I imagine Diaby or Zaniolo get a bit of extra game time. If Roma were happy to loan him out for six months, then fine. An extra body is no bad thing.
But I don't see why they'd want to do that and I definitely don't think we should be chucking £25m at them for him if they're not.
There were rumours a few weeks ago that Roma had alerted clubs to Abraham being available for transfer, and that the player himself wanted a move back to England. It was all talking about in the summer, I think, but if we really did agree to buy him before he was injured, there might be a deal to be done now. I don't think Abraham is necessarily the answer to all our problems (not that we have many) but we've discussed the difficulties in getting another striker in, and Abraham coming back from injury might just fit the bill in the short term.
If I were all the parties involved, I would have thought that a straight Abraham / Lukaku swap is the thing that makes sense for everyone.
I think it makes sense for three of the four parties involved. Chelsea Roma and Lukaku. I’m not sure it makes quite as much sense for Tammy unless he truly believes that his arrival and Poch as coach can turn things around.
All depends what other parties are interested in him I suppose.
I think it makes sense if it happened in the summer, rebuilding for next year. And Chelsea were one of the other English teams mentioned as being told he was available. The thing about it happening in January though is that he's likely to need a little bit of time to get back up to speed and with Jackson being off for Jan/Feb they can't really be spending money on a player who might not even be able to play a full game until mid Feb.
A loan to us would allow the player to ease back in, give us a 3rd forward option, and come the summer they could still do the swap deal with Lukaka. If the finances were favorable then I think it could suit all 3 clubs and the player in the long run.
Post by: Gareth on December 12, 2023, 02:31:19 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on December 12, 2023, 02:44:35 PM
Last January
Arsenal signed Trossard £27m and Jorginho £12m
Cody Gakpo and Antony Gordon were signed for £45m
Newcastle finished 4th
Liverpool finished 5th
Chelsea in January were someone rampant
Enzo Fernandez £105m
Mykhailo Mudryk - Shakhtar Donetsk, £88m
Benoit Badiashile - £35m
Noni Madueke - £29m
Malo Gusto - £26.3m
Joao Felix - Loan
This January. Important to strengthen squad.
I think Villa have to bring one or two strong, quality players and excited to see who is coming in.
As much as I would love to see a couple come in, January is always very difficult and our FFP situation hasn't changed. If we can shift out a couple then perhaps but otherwise I imagine focus will be on the summer.
Post by: OCD on December 12, 2023, 02:44:45 PM
Post by: Dave on December 12, 2023, 02:46:59 PM
Seems PL clubs have voted (according to Matt Law at the Telegraph) to restrict amortisation of contracts to 5 years like the rest of Europe
And oddly, it seems like Chelsea were one of them.
Post by: Gareth on December 12, 2023, 02:52:54 PM
Seems PL clubs have voted (according to Matt Law at the Telegraph) to restrict amortisation of contracts to 5 years like the rest of Europe
And oddly, it seems like Chelsea were one of them.
Guessing that will be to make it isn’t backdated?
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 12, 2023, 02:53:52 PM
There's some talk of Gallagher being sold to fund Chelsea further transfers. Gordon was forced to be sold at Everton Forest did it with Johnson this summer to keep finances and spending regulationsLast January
Arsenal signed Trossard £27m and Jorginho £12m
Cody Gakpo and Antony Gordon were signed for £45m
Newcastle finished 4th
Liverpool finished 5th
Chelsea in January were someone rampant
Enzo Fernandez £105m
Mykhailo Mudryk - Shakhtar Donetsk, £88m
Benoit Badiashile - £35m
Noni Madueke - £29m
Malo Gusto - £26.3m
Joao Felix - Loan
This January. Important to strengthen squad.
I think Villa have to bring one or two strong, quality players and excited to see who is coming in.
As much as I would love to see a couple come in, January is always very difficult and our FFP situation hasn't changed. If we can shift out a couple then perhaps but otherwise I imagine focus will be on the summer.
I'm worrying that under the Monchi scheme our very exceptional Jacob Ramsey may fall a similar fate to his brother and be sold off for sheer profit
Ramsey would fetch £60m or so I wonder if they have discussed that for financing
Post by: Risso on December 12, 2023, 02:55:48 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on December 12, 2023, 02:56:31 PM
There's some talk of Gallagher being sold to fund Chelsea further transfers. I'm worrying that under the Monchi scheme our very exceptional Jacob Ramsey may fall a similar fate to his brother and be sold off for sheer profitLast January
Arsenal signed Trossard £27m and Jorginho £12m
Cody Gakpo and Antony Gordon were signed for £45m
Newcastle finished 4th
Liverpool finished 5th
Chelsea in January were someone rampant
Enzo Fernandez £105m
Mykhailo Mudryk - Shakhtar Donetsk, £88m
Benoit Badiashile - £35m
Noni Madueke - £29m
Malo Gusto - £26.3m
Joao Felix - Loan
This January. Important to strengthen squad.
I think Villa have to bring one or two strong, quality players and excited to see who is coming in.
As much as I would love to see a couple come in, January is always very difficult and our FFP situation hasn't changed. If we can shift out a couple then perhaps but otherwise I imagine focus will be on the summer.
Forest did it with Johnson this summer to keep finances and spending regulations
Sold off for sheer profit? The two aren't in a vaguely comparable situation. JJ is a first time regular, Aaron was sold with buy back rather than being loaned. This is a situation that only exists in your mind, so I wouldn't worry any more about it lad
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 12, 2023, 02:58:02 PM
Post by: Monty on December 12, 2023, 03:02:13 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on December 12, 2023, 03:03:29 PM
It's seems to be the thing to keep within rules. selling off home grown assets
Everton had to sell for obvious reasons, and both gordon and johnson wanted to leave for bigger clubs. again, not even vaguely similar situations
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 12, 2023, 03:04:23 PM
Post by: Risso on December 12, 2023, 03:05:44 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 12, 2023, 03:07:13 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 12, 2023, 03:11:22 PM
It's also annoying the competition of Saudi Pro League and inflating fees. Some players may not have same idea as Diaby and choose there instead.
Post by: coreyfeldman on December 12, 2023, 03:12:55 PM
We sold some youth players in the summer , players we may have kept on but couldn't
What do you mean buy 'couldn't' though? Youth players leaving is a very normal situation, depending on development, first team opportunities etc.
Chuk wanted to leave, ramsey and archer wanted minutes but we sold with buy backs rather than loaned out for development. Youth team selling is also part of a clubs FFP balance naturally, Man City & Chelsea are best examples of selling youth players to buy others, it's part of the process
Post by: coreyfeldman on December 12, 2023, 03:14:33 PM
I think Ramsey is class but with his injuries and team doing well have we moved on? Or not sure what phrase to use It's been frustrating for him with Gordon making a big impact and playing Champions League and Gallagher made captain at Cheslea I hope JJ gets a good run of games if he's not sold . He's a valuable asset. And has high potential.
It's also annoying the competition of Saudi Pro League and inflating fees. Some players may not have same idea as Diaby and choose there instead.
He's returning from injury and has already been involved, he's a huge player for us - i have no idea what gordon or gallagher has to do with JJ being sold anyway? What are you on about?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 12, 2023, 03:17:19 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 12, 2023, 03:39:52 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on December 12, 2023, 03:45:23 PM
Post by: Matt C on December 12, 2023, 03:46:01 PM
Seems PL clubs have voted (according to Matt Law at the Telegraph) to restrict amortisation of contracts to 5 years like the rest of Europe
And oddly, it seems like Chelsea were one of them.
Not retrospective and stops other clubs doing what they’ve done.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 12, 2023, 03:53:11 PM
Seems PL clubs have voted (according to Matt Law at the Telegraph) to restrict amortisation of contracts to 5 years like the rest of Europe
And oddly, it seems like Chelsea were one of them.
Not retrospective and stops other clubs doing what they’ve done.
Bring up the draw bridge after cheating
Post by: SamTheMouse on December 12, 2023, 03:53:18 PM
I'm resigned to the idea that we can't bring in any direct, big-name competition for Watkins as we know how he reacts to that. Duran is improving (had some lovely touches in his recent appearances) so I'd be inclined to leave that alone. Possibly someone like Bowen (but obviously not Bowen) could provide cover for Ollie without giving him the yips.
Other than that, just a right-footed version of Moreno and I'd leave it at that.
If it ain't broke...
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 12, 2023, 03:57:54 PM
Post by: Monty on December 12, 2023, 04:01:23 PM
Post by: brontebilly on December 12, 2023, 04:03:15 PM
Two things would fuck us up to season-wrecking levels - injuries to Martinez or Watkins. Cover there, plus a RB please.
Think we need another option in midfield. Luiz, Kamara or McGinn get injured and I think we would in big trouble. The Donk isn't up to it and Tielemans doesn't look as if he can cover Luiz or Kamara either.
The drop off from Watkins to Duran is huge for sure.
Post by: DrGonzo on December 12, 2023, 04:12:40 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 12, 2023, 04:19:23 PM
To go through a long season, a squad in our position needs the appropriate quality it's essential.Two things would fuck us up to season-wrecking levels - injuries to Martinez or Watkins. Cover there, plus a RB please.
Think we need another option in midfield. Luiz, Kamara or McGinn get injured and I think we would in big trouble. The Donk isn't up to it and Tielemans doesn't look as if he can cover Luiz or Kamara either.
The drop off from Watkins to Duran is huge for sure.
I believe there will be some signings rather than none and a push for one to be a major player.
I don't think We're going to stand still and we can't if we are to compete for 'positions of power'
Federico Chiesa or Thiago Almada from MLS to strengthen attack would be nice.
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 12, 2023, 04:23:04 PM
Finding quality players that are willing to play second fiddle is the main problem here. If we can establish ourselves as regular performers in the top 4 that will become easier. As it stands we will look for either first team starters, young and talented or end of contract that are willing to move for a pay rise.
We could look to exploit release clause values in La Liga. Monchi wil know exactly where to go to get deals and prise away assets.
Post by: Steve67 on December 12, 2023, 04:56:28 PM
Finding quality players that are willing to play second fiddle is the main problem here. If we can establish ourselves as regular performers in the top 4 that will become easier. As it stands we will look for either first team starters, young and talented or end of contract that are willing to move for a pay rise.
Why do they have to play second fiddle? Sign players better than what we have, and play them. Make the competition even more fierce because buying second fiddle players does not raise the bar.
Post by: eamonn on December 12, 2023, 04:59:11 PM
We're interested in Red Bull Salzburg's Israeli midfielder Oscar Gloukh, 19, according to Football Insider.
Signed him on Football Manager a few weeks back. Same thing happened with a certain Juan Pablo Angel over 20 years ago. Get him signed.
isn't football insider a lot of nonsense ?
It is, but that's why we have this thread.
Tis true I will stand down
Don't Stand Me Down
Post by: Matt C on December 12, 2023, 05:21:04 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 12, 2023, 05:26:58 PM
Left wide / and Striker
The two players I take umbridge with on player performance are Zaniolo and Cash. I would also say Chambers is stinking things out and must move on.
So for me, those are the areas that need addressing for more suitable players.
Kamara and Watkins are two key players who could use healthy competition to improve the squad's strength.
So that would be four players, ideally.
I think it will be 2 or 3 instead, though.
Now the left-side attacking player may be someone who can also play upfront, and the right-back may be someone who can play midfield defensively. So adaptable and technical players are worth pursuing.
Post by: DrGonzo on December 12, 2023, 05:56:06 PM
Finding quality players that are willing to play second fiddle is the main problem here. If we can establish ourselves as regular performers in the top 4 that will become easier. As it stands we will look for either first team starters, young and talented or end of contract that are willing to move for a pay rise.
Why do they have to play second fiddle? Sign players better than what we have, and play them. Make the competition even more fierce because buying second fiddle players does not raise the bar.
I feel that trying to buy in players of that quality in January risks breaking the cohesion of the team that exists at the moement, the thing that is making us successful. Big signings should be a summer thing so they have time to bed in and don't upset the dressing room. Also those type of players aren't generally available in January unless 1:they are being forced out of a team 2: are trying to engineer a move or, 3: they have only 6 months on their contract. Except in the 3rd situation they are probably a player that isn't going to have the attitude we need at VP. Just my opinion.
Post by: Steve67 on December 12, 2023, 05:59:53 PM
Post by: Drummond on December 12, 2023, 06:06:03 PM
An injury to Martinez would be both less likely and much, much more devastating IMO. I can imagine a scenario where we've got Bailey and Diaby up front (for instance) and scoring boatloads, but no scenario in which Robin Olsen qualifies for the Champions League as a no. 1.
Exactly right. We need a decent back up keeper more than anything.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 12, 2023, 06:06:30 PM
We're interested in Red Bull Salzburg's Israeli midfielder Oscar Gloukh, 19, according to Football Insider.
Signed him on Football Manager a few weeks back. Same thing happened with a certain Juan Pablo Angel over 20 years ago. Get him signed.
isn't football insider a lot of nonsense ?
It is, but that's why we have this thread.
Tis true I will stand down
Don't Stand Me Down
up you get then ;)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 12, 2023, 06:12:23 PM
Gallagher is like a yappy, young puppy chasing around and then biiting into his pet rat with a funny noise as he squeezes it.
The Sam Thompson of the football world, fine for a while but eventually really gets on your nerves.
Post by: Risso on December 12, 2023, 06:17:28 PM
Finding quality players that are willing to play second fiddle is the main problem here. If we can establish ourselves as regular performers in the top 4 that will become easier. As it stands we will look for either first team starters, young and talented or end of contract that are willing to move for a pay rise.
Why do they have to play second fiddle? Sign players better than what we have, and play them. Make the competition even more fierce because buying second fiddle players does not raise the bar.
I feel that trying to buy in players of that quality in January risks breaking the cohesion of the team that exists at the moement, the thing that is making us successful. Big signings should be a summer thing so they have time to bed in and don't upset the dressing room. Also those type of players aren't generally available in January unless 1:they are being forced out of a team 2: are trying to engineer a move or, 3: they have only 6 months on their contract. Except in the 3rd situation they are probably a player that isn't going to have the attitude we need at VP. Just my opinion.
Injuries will knacker team cohesion far more than bringing a new player in ever will.
Post by: nick harper on December 12, 2023, 06:29:39 PM
Finding quality players that are willing to play second fiddle is the main problem here. If we can establish ourselves as regular performers in the top 4 that will become easier. As it stands we will look for either first team starters, young and talented or end of contract that are willing to move for a pay rise.
Why do they have to play second fiddle? Sign players better than what we have, and play them. Make the competition even more fierce because buying second fiddle players does not raise the bar.
I feel that trying to buy in players of that quality in January risks breaking the cohesion of the team that exists at the moement, the thing that is making us successful. Big signings should be a summer thing so they have time to bed in and don't upset the dressing room. Also those type of players aren't generally available in January unless 1:they are being forced out of a team 2: are trying to engineer a move or, 3: they have only 6 months on their contract. Except in the 3rd situation they are probably a player that isn't going to have the attitude we need at VP. Just my opinion.
I agree with this. January is the market of the desperate and we’ve been there plenty of times in recent years. Emery and his team are much too well organised to make signings to just add numbers. Nothing has changed since the last window closed and in fact he has two more players fit that he didn’t have on 1 Sept.
I think we will only see incomings if any of the peripheral squad push for a move, or we get significant injuries in the next few weeks - and they may only be short term loans.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 12, 2023, 07:19:28 PM
Finding quality players that are willing to play second fiddle is the main problem here. If we can establish ourselves as regular performers in the top 4 that will become easier. As it stands we will look for either first team starters, young and talented or end of contract that are willing to move for a pay rise.
Why do they have to play second fiddle? Sign players better than what we have, and play them. Make the competition even more fierce because buying second fiddle players does not raise the bar.
I feel that trying to buy in players of that quality in January risks breaking the cohesion of the team that exists at the moement, the thing that is making us successful. Big signings should be a summer thing so they have time to bed in and don't upset the dressing room. Also those type of players aren't generally available in January unless 1:they are being forced out of a team 2: are trying to engineer a move or, 3: they have only 6 months on their contract. Except in the 3rd situation they are probably a player that isn't going to have the attitude we need at VP. Just my opinion.
I agree with this. January is the market of the desperate and we’ve been there plenty of times in recent years. Emery and his team are much too well organised to make signings to just add numbers. Nothing has changed since the last window closed and in fact he has two more players fit that he didn’t have on 1 Sept.
I think we will only see incomings if any of the peripheral squad push for a move, or we get significant injuries in the next few weeks - and they may only be short term loans.
What if he wants to make signings to add quality rather than just numbers?
We signed Moreno in January, didn't we? And that was despite having Lucas Digne in that position.
Post by: DrGonzo on December 12, 2023, 08:01:50 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 12, 2023, 08:24:07 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 12, 2023, 08:26:40 PM
Anyone here would be glad if there were no incomings? I can see how adding players could throw things out of balance or coherence.
I'm not viewing it that way but get the argument and I believe Monchi will make transfers during the transfer window.
I wouldn't be best pleased if we made no moves because I would feel like a chance was lost and think work has been ongoing since the summer to bring in required players to the squad this January
Post by: OCD on December 12, 2023, 09:21:23 PM
Post by: paul_e on December 12, 2023, 09:49:39 PM
Last January
Arsenal signed Trossard £27m and Jorginho £12m
Cody Gakpo and Antony Gordon were signed for £45m
Newcastle finished 4th
Liverpool finished 5th
Chelsea in January were someone rampant
Enzo Fernandez £105m
Mykhailo Mudryk - Shakhtar Donetsk, £88m
Benoit Badiashile - £35m
Noni Madueke - £29m
Malo Gusto - £26.3m
Joao Felix - Loan
This January. Important to strengthen squad.
I think Villa have to bring one or two strong, quality players and excited to see who is coming in.
Sorry to go back a way but I've bene busy all day and I think some context is needed here.
on 31/12/22
Arsenal were top.
Newcastle were 3rd.
Chelsea were 9th.
All of them finished lower in the table after making the signings listed above. Only Liverpool improved (from 6th to 5th).
What this shows is that how much (or little) you spend isn't really what matters in January. There are 2 types of signings that work well in this window. You can sign players you don't intend to play but have picked up 'early' and that has little impact either way (Duran for example) or you can sign players who fill a specific need and that you're confident won't disrupt the squad.
Of those above I'd say Trossard was the latter (but got countered a little by Jorginho who was a weird signing) and Gakpo. That's why Liverpool improved and Arsenal were done by the Saliba injury more than the window.
I think we really need to bear this in mind in the window, it might well look, at the end of January, like we've been unambitious or left gaps again but I think if that happens it will, again, be down to Emery choosing to take a risk rather than gambling on players he's not sure are right. The summer is the window where you can afford to chance your arm a little and I think we did that with Zaniolo but this window is as much about not rocking the boat as it is about filling gaps. That's why I can see it being 1 bigger signing and then 1-2 kids at most.
Post by: SamTheMouse on December 12, 2023, 10:03:34 PM
Post by: IFWaters on December 13, 2023, 04:13:54 AM
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 13, 2023, 05:07:23 AM
Picking through the garbage of the united squad are there any we can offer European football to?They got a England international defender who is strongly rated by the England manager Gareth Super Southgate
Post by: maidstonevillain on December 13, 2023, 06:13:45 AM
Picking through the garbage of the united squad are there any we can offer European football to?Sancho could do with a change of scenery. A loan to get him some game time?
Post by: Baldy on December 13, 2023, 07:05:16 AM
Picking through the garbage of the united squad are there any we can offer European football to?Sancho could do with a change of scenery. A loan to get him some game time?
We should do Man Utd no favours. Let them keep their massive bomb squad, it will ruin them even more financially.
Sir Jim Ratcliffe must be thinking twice this morning!! Wonder if he was delaying signing deal with United pending outcome of Champions League?
Just a thought.
Post by: algy on December 13, 2023, 07:11:02 AM
Post by: Mister E on December 13, 2023, 07:42:16 AM
Good post, paul_e. I agree with you completelyI'll join you in that.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on December 13, 2023, 08:56:42 AM
Post by: darren woolley on December 13, 2023, 09:08:23 AM
Last January
Arsenal signed Trossard £27m and Jorginho £12m
Cody Gakpo and Antony Gordon were signed for £45m
Newcastle finished 4th
Liverpool finished 5th
Chelsea in January were someone rampant
Enzo Fernandez £105m
Mykhailo Mudryk - Shakhtar Donetsk, £88m
Benoit Badiashile - £35m
Noni Madueke - £29m
Malo Gusto - £26.3m
Joao Felix - Loan
This January. Important to strengthen squad.
I think Villa have to bring one or two strong, quality players and excited to see who is coming in.
Sorry to go back a way but I've bene busy all day and I think some context is needed here.
on 31/12/22
Arsenal were top.
Newcastle were 3rd.
Chelsea were 9th.
All of them finished lower in the table after making the signings listed above. Only Liverpool improved (from 6th to 5th).
What this shows is that how much (or little) you spend isn't really what matters in January. There are 2 types of signings that work well in this window. You can sign players you don't intend to play but have picked up 'early' and that has little impact either way (Duran for example) or you can sign players who fill a specific need and that you're confident won't disrupt the squad.
Of those above I'd say Trossard was the latter (but got countered a little by Jorginho who was a weird signing) and Gakpo. That's why Liverpool improved and Arsenal were done by the Saliba injury more than the window.
I think we really need to bear this in mind in the window, it might well look, at the end of January, like we've been unambitious or left gaps again but I think if that happens it will, again, be down to Emery choosing to take a risk rather than gambling on players he's not sure are right. The summer is the window where you can afford to chance your arm a little and I think we did that with Zaniolo but this window is as much about not rocking the boat as it is about filling gaps. That's why I can see it being 1 bigger signing and then 1-2 kids at most.
Great post Paul.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 13, 2023, 09:14:53 AM
Picking through the garbage of the united squad are there any we can offer European football to?Sancho could do with a change of scenery. A loan to get him some game time?
Wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole.
Post by: Monty on December 13, 2023, 09:21:33 AM
Post by: Holte L2 on December 13, 2023, 10:04:52 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 13, 2023, 10:06:29 AM
If we could loan Firmino from the Saudi Pro-League then I think that would be a good fit for us as a back-up for Ollie. And has experience of winning titles.
Imagine the sort of money he'll be on there. No chance at all.
Post by: Tayls_7 on December 13, 2023, 10:09:32 AM
If we could loan Firmino from the Saudi Pro-League then I think that would be a good fit for us as a back-up for Ollie. And has experience of winning titles.
Imagine the sort of money he'll be on there. No chance at all.
He has too
Post by: tomd2103 on December 13, 2023, 10:16:06 AM
Picking through the garbage of the united squad are there any we can offer European football to?
Just on that point - would players who have featured in the Champions League or Europa League this season be Cup tied for the Conference League if we signed them in January?
Post by: AV84 on December 13, 2023, 11:18:38 AM
Picking through the garbage of the united squad are there any we can offer European football to?
Just on that point - would players who have featured in the Champions League or Europa League this season be Cup tied for the Conference League if we signed them in January?
They're not cup tied but you can only register 3 new players in your A squad, and it still has to stay at 24 or 25, whatever the maximum number is. I don't think we're at the maximum number with our squad, but if we were we'd have to take players off to register the new ones.
Post by: paul_e on December 13, 2023, 11:28:21 AM
Picking through the garbage of the united squad are there any we can offer European football to?
Just on that point - would players who have featured in the Champions League or Europa League this season be Cup tied for the Conference League if we signed them in January?
They're not cup tied but you can only register 3 new players in your A squad, and it still has to stay at 24 or 25, whatever the maximum number is. I don't think we're at the maximum number with our squad, but if we were we'd have to take players off to register the new ones.
We're not atthe maximum but we are limited by the home-grown/club-grown rules. The latter is the big problem because JJ is the only player in the squad that fills that so we're effectively capped at a 22man squad.
Post by: AV84 on December 13, 2023, 11:31:18 AM
Picking through the garbage of the united squad are there any we can offer European football to?
Just on that point - would players who have featured in the Champions League or Europa League this season be Cup tied for the Conference League if we signed them in January?
They're not cup tied but you can only register 3 new players in your A squad, and it still has to stay at 24 or 25, whatever the maximum number is. I don't think we're at the maximum number with our squad, but if we were we'd have to take players off to register the new ones.
We're not atthe maximum but we are limited by the home-grown/club-grown rules. The latter is the big problem because JJ is the only player in the squad that fills that so we're effectively capped at a 22man squad.
What about the 3rd keeper?
If we need to we can take Chambers, Traore and even Donk out. I'd be surprised if Donk isn't gone anyway. So that would allow for 3 new signings, if we were to make that many.
Post by: brontebilly on December 13, 2023, 11:32:01 AM
Picking through the garbage of the united squad are there any we can offer European football to?
I think they are proper f*cked this time. Watching last night there's only really Fernandez that would have his pick of clubs. Lots of guys on huge contracts past their best and liabilities like Sancho and Antony. So unless the Saudi vulture funds pick them up, like they did with the Liverpool deadwood last summer, they won't be able to shift them.
Liverpool should hammer them at the weekend.
Post by: brontebilly on December 13, 2023, 11:34:42 AM
Finding quality players that are willing to play second fiddle is the main problem here. If we can establish ourselves as regular performers in the top 4 that will become easier. As it stands we will look for either first team starters, young and talented or end of contract that are willing to move for a pay rise.
Why do they have to play second fiddle? Sign players better than what we have, and play them. Make the competition even more fierce because buying second fiddle players does not raise the bar.
I feel that trying to buy in players of that quality in January risks breaking the cohesion of the team that exists at the moement, the thing that is making us successful. Big signings should be a summer thing so they have time to bed in and don't upset the dressing room. Also those type of players aren't generally available in January unless 1:they are being forced out of a team 2: are trying to engineer a move or, 3: they have only 6 months on their contract. Except in the 3rd situation they are probably a player that isn't going to have the attitude we need at VP. Just my opinion.
I agree with this. January is the market of the desperate and we’ve been there plenty of times in recent years. Emery and his team are much too well organised to make signings to just add numbers. Nothing has changed since the last window closed and in fact he has two more players fit that he didn’t have on 1 Sept.
I think we will only see incomings if any of the peripheral squad push for a move, or we get significant injuries in the next few weeks - and they may only be short term loans.
What if he wants to make signings to add quality rather than just numbers?
We signed Moreno in January, didn't we? And that was despite having Lucas Digne in that position.
Arguably MONs two best signings were in January too, Young and Carew swapped with Baros. Mings was another January signing.
Post by: paul_e on December 13, 2023, 11:36:54 AM
Picking through the garbage of the united squad are there any we can offer European football to?
Just on that point - would players who have featured in the Champions League or Europa League this season be Cup tied for the Conference League if we signed them in January?
They're not cup tied but you can only register 3 new players in your A squad, and it still has to stay at 24 or 25, whatever the maximum number is. I don't think we're at the maximum number with our squad, but if we were we'd have to take players off to register the new ones.
We're not atthe maximum but we are limited by the home-grown/club-grown rules. The latter is the big problem because JJ is the only player in the squad that fills that so we're effectively capped at a 22man squad.
What about the 3rd keeper?
If we need to we can take Chambers, Traore and even Donk out. I'd be surprised if Donk isn't gone anyway. So that would allow for 3 new signings, if we were to make that many.
Young enough to not need to be named in the 25.
Chambers is an interesting one because he at least counts to the home-grown. Traore and Donk dropping out to be replaced are the 2 obvious ones.
Post by: AV84 on December 13, 2023, 11:43:04 AM
Picking through the garbage of the united squad are there any we can offer European football to?
Just on that point - would players who have featured in the Champions League or Europa League this season be Cup tied for the Conference League if we signed them in January?
They're not cup tied but you can only register 3 new players in your A squad, and it still has to stay at 24 or 25, whatever the maximum number is. I don't think we're at the maximum number with our squad, but if we were we'd have to take players off to register the new ones.
We're not atthe maximum but we are limited by the home-grown/club-grown rules. The latter is the big problem because JJ is the only player in the squad that fills that so we're effectively capped at a 22man squad.
What about the 3rd keeper?
If we need to we can take Chambers, Traore and even Donk out. I'd be surprised if Donk isn't gone anyway. So that would allow for 3 new signings, if we were to make that many.
Young enough to not need to be named in the 25.
Chambers is an interesting one because he at least counts to the home-grown. Traore and Donk dropping out to be replaced are the 2 obvious ones.
There's homegrown as in trained in England/Wales, and then there's homegrown in your own academy, which I think has to be 4?
Post by: paul_e on December 13, 2023, 11:49:37 AM
Picking through the garbage of the united squad are there any we can offer European football to?
Just on that point - would players who have featured in the Champions League or Europa League this season be Cup tied for the Conference League if we signed them in January?
They're not cup tied but you can only register 3 new players in your A squad, and it still has to stay at 24 or 25, whatever the maximum number is. I don't think we're at the maximum number with our squad, but if we were we'd have to take players off to register the new ones.
We're not atthe maximum but we are limited by the home-grown/club-grown rules. The latter is the big problem because JJ is the only player in the squad that fills that so we're effectively capped at a 22man squad.
What about the 3rd keeper?
If we need to we can take Chambers, Traore and even Donk out. I'd be surprised if Donk isn't gone anyway. So that would allow for 3 new signings, if we were to make that many.
Young enough to not need to be named in the 25.
Chambers is an interesting one because he at least counts to the home-grown. Traore and Donk dropping out to be replaced are the 2 obvious ones.
There's homegrown as in trained in England/Wales, and then there's homegrown in your own academy, which I think has to be 4?
Correct, 4 of each for Europe and it's the ones who've spent 3 years in our academy that we're struggling for. Philogene would've beena good option for that and going forward I can see the likes of Iroegbunam and Kellyman playing an important part in the squad because of it. It's also the best reason I can think of for us to let Grealish come back.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 13, 2023, 11:59:28 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 13, 2023, 12:00:43 PM
Seems PL clubs have voted (according to Matt Law at the Telegraph) to restrict amortisation of contracts to 5 years like the rest of Europe
And oddly, it seems like Chelsea were one of them.
Guessing that will be to make it isn’t backdated?
Chelsea yet again utilising a loophole & then helping close it so that others cannot use it.
Should have been backdated to keep the playing field as level as possible...
Post by: paul_e on December 13, 2023, 12:10:09 PM
Not sure Iroegbunam would qualify - we took him from Albion's academy.
He was young enough that he would, anything U18 is pretty much irrelevant, other than, as we found this year, they have to have been with the academy for a year before you can name them in your 'b' squad (the list of underage players that you can use on top of the named squad), this is why Kellyman hasn't featured because apparently we didn't realise he would have to be in the main squad.
Post by: AV84 on December 13, 2023, 12:14:31 PM
Not sure Iroegbunam would qualify - we took him from Albion's academy.
They have to have spent 3 years in the academy between ages of 15-21. He'll be 21 this summer and only here 2 years, so I think that rules him out. Kellyman will count if he's still here this time next year. Or does it count if they've signed pro contracts?
I guess this is where we'd be hoping the likes of Barry or Kesler-Hayden come through in the next yea
Post by: paul_e on December 13, 2023, 12:49:49 PM
YNot sure Iroegbunam would qualify - we took him from Albion's academy.
They have to have spent 3 years in the academy between ages of 15-21. He'll be 21 this summer and only here 2 years, so I think that rules him out. Kellyman will count if he's still here this time next year. Or does it count if they've signed pro contracts?
I guess this is where we'd be hoping the likes of Barry or Kesler-Hayden come through in the next yea
I think he's ok because U21 isn't defined by his birthday but by his age at a cut off date.
so, for example, the U21 euros on 2025 started qualifying this year so anyone born after 31/12/01 is eligible. I'm fairly sure they use calendar year in the same way for the UEFA led club competitions which would mean any born after 31/12/02 will be considered as U21 next season. On that basis, by the time we need to bname him in a squad he'll have been eligible to represent us in 3 seasons and, therefore, I think, counts as club-grown. I might be wrong because the whole thing is very messy.
Post by: nick harper on December 13, 2023, 12:54:44 PM
Picking through the garbage of the united squad are there any we can offer European football to?Sancho could do with a change of scenery. A loan to get him some game time?
Wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole.
You just know that if Unai had him for a couple of months, he’d transform him into the player he was at Dortmund, with extra work rate thrown in.
He would be much less of a gamble because of our manager.
Post by: LeeB on December 13, 2023, 12:56:33 PM
Picking through the garbage of the united squad are there any we can offer European football to?Sancho could do with a change of scenery. A loan to get him some game time?
Wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole.
You just know that if Unai had him for a couple of months, he’d transform him into the player he was at Dortmund, with extra work rate thrown in.
He would be much less of a gamble because of our manager.
He'd do that for a lot of players that wouldn't cost as much and could be arsed to get to training on time as well thiugh
Post by: Risso on December 13, 2023, 12:59:03 PM
"A "Home Grown Player" means a player who, irrespective of nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to The Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons, or 36 months, before his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21)."
So he doesn't qualify, as his birthday is June, which is after the end of the season. He'll qualify as home grown next season.
Post by: Lsvilla on December 13, 2023, 01:00:29 PM
And doing that for a loanee would only benefit his parent club (and the player himself obviously). Why would we do that for those tossers ?Picking through the garbage of the united squad are there any we can offer European football to?Sancho could do with a change of scenery. A loan to get him some game time?
Wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole.
You just know that if Unai had him for a couple of months, he’d transform him into the player he was at Dortmund, with extra work rate thrown in.
He would be much less of a gamble because of our manager.
He'd do that for a lot of players that wouldn't cost as much and could be arsed to get to training on time as well thiugh
Post by: Risso on December 13, 2023, 01:00:48 PM
He'd do that for a lot of players that wouldn't cost as much and could be arsed to get to training on time as well thiugh
He's got to get Diaby back to his best, and Zaniolo into any form at all, so I wouldn't be bringing in anybody else with question marks over their form or temperament to be honest.
Post by: Monty on December 13, 2023, 01:04:31 PM
He'd do that for a lot of players that wouldn't cost as much and could be arsed to get to training on time as well thiugh
He's got to get Diaby back to his best, and Zaniolo into any form at all, so I wouldn't be bringing in anybody else with question marks over their form or temperament to be honest.
Whatever we've seen from our players on the pitch, there's never been any hint or suggestion that they have been anything other than, to a man, total pros under Emery. If you're not, you're not getting in his matchday squad. Sancho's been upbraided for laziness since the day he arrived up there. Big no thanks.
Post by: Garyth on December 13, 2023, 01:29:51 PM
Sancho's been upbraided for laziness since the day he arrived up there. Big no thanks.
question: Was it the same when he was at Dortmund? I recall him in seriously good form there, so wonder how much is a ManUtd problem.
But yeah, to your point: no dickheads allowed.
Post by: Richard on December 13, 2023, 01:34:33 PM
Post by: Holte L2 on December 13, 2023, 01:36:05 PM
I actually think Unai would get Sancho playing at a higher level again. Man Utd have a really toxic culture around them.
I remember watching Sancho for England whilst he was at Dortmund and didn't see what the hype was.
Post by: OCD on December 13, 2023, 01:42:43 PM
Post by: Rigadon on December 13, 2023, 01:51:14 PM
I actually think Unai would get Sancho playing at a higher level again. Man Utd have a really toxic culture around them.
I remember watching Sancho for England whilst he was at Dortmund and didn't see what the hype was.
Same. I don't get it at all.
Post by: Dave on December 13, 2023, 01:53:07 PM
I actually think Unai would get Sancho playing at a higher level again. Man Utd have a really toxic culture around them.
I remember watching Sancho for England whilst he was at Dortmund and didn't see what the hype was.
Watching him for Dortmund was probably what you needed to do in order to see it.
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 13, 2023, 01:53:26 PM
It's taken Bailey 3 seasons to start looking the part and that's with working with Emery for a year. Emery probably could get Sancho playing well again but that's no good if it's on loan. And his £350k/week wages would be a problem.
Exactly this. No loan unless we are in control of it with clauses that suit us & not them.
Otherwise, we are just playing him into form, for ManU.
And fuck ManU...
Post by: LeeB on December 13, 2023, 01:56:38 PM
I actually think Unai would get Sancho playing at a higher level again. Man Utd have a really toxic culture around them.
I remember watching Sancho for England whilst he was at Dortmund and didn't see what the hype was.
I've never seen him play and thought 'wow'
Post by: Holte L2 on December 13, 2023, 02:15:59 PM
I actually think Unai would get Sancho playing at a higher level again. Man Utd have a really toxic culture around them.
I remember watching Sancho for England whilst he was at Dortmund and didn't see what the hype was.
Watching him for Dortmund was probably what you needed to do in order to see it.
I've done that as well and still still didn't see it.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 13, 2023, 02:26:04 PM
Post by: Drummond on December 13, 2023, 02:26:10 PM
The rules say this:
"A "Home Grown Player" means a player who, irrespective of nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to The Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons, or 36 months, before his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21)."
So he doesn't qualify, as his birthday is June, which is after the end of the season. He'll qualify as home grown next season.
But if he was registered with West Brom, then he has been affiliated to 'any club' affiliated to the FA?
Post by: Risso on December 13, 2023, 02:29:45 PM
The rules say this:
"A "Home Grown Player" means a player who, irrespective of nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to The Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons, or 36 months, before his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21)."
So he doesn't qualify, as his birthday is June, which is after the end of the season. He'll qualify as home grown next season.
But if he was registered with West Brom, then he has been affiliated to 'any club' affiliated to the FA?
It's obviously got to be one club for the homegrown rule! Otherwise the rule for under 21 players who aren't homegrown applies.
Post by: paul_e on December 13, 2023, 03:33:55 PM
The rules say this:
"A "Home Grown Player" means a player who, irrespective of nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to The Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons, or 36 months, before his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21)."
So he doesn't qualify, as his birthday is June, which is after the end of the season. He'll qualify as home grown next season.
That's the home-grown rule used in England but I don't think the UEFA rules are the same.
I went with them using the same logic as elsewhere. For example from here: https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/champions-league-squad-rules-number-of-players-homegrown-quota-regulations-explained/blt14eefb4daa8bb717
Quote
How many players are in the Champions League squad list?
Each club must submit two lists of players to Uefa; List A and List B.
In List A, no club can have more than 25 players. However, a club can register an unlimited number of players on List B, who are born on or after January 1, 2001.
Moreover, since his 15th birthday, he must have played for the club for an uninterrupted period of two years, or a total of three consecutive years. He can have a maximum of one loan period to a club from the same association for a period not longer than one year.
So to be eligible for squad b is based on the year you're born in not date of birth (same as eligibility for U21 tournaments), but when you get to the home-grown stuff there's nothing like that in the description so if Villa signed 2 kids on the same day, 1 who turned 18 the day before and 1 who turned 18 the day after would only the latter count as club-grown? That feels like a really arbitrary break point that encourages teams to be quite predatory with 17year old kids but to then undervalue those players if they turn 18 before they join. It might be that simple but I'd always assumed they'd have a much sturdier definition than that which lined up with how they define a U21 player in every other instance.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 13, 2023, 03:36:03 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 13, 2023, 03:38:23 PM
I actually think Unai would get Sancho playing at a higher level again. Man Utd have a really toxic culture around them.
I remember watching Sancho for England whilst he was at Dortmund and didn't see what the hype was.
I've never seen him play and thought 'wow'
Nope, never seen it either.
Post by: paul_e on December 13, 2023, 03:44:44 PM
I'd be amazed if we're not interested in Serhou Guirassy of Stuttgart, he has a £15m buy out clause, 16 goals in eleven in the Bundesliga (18 goals in 13 games in all comps) and at 27 he knows the score. He can also play in Europe. Milan and Man U also said to be interested.
I've seen his name come up before and I have no idea what to think. Until this year he was a fairly average 1 in 3 striker who would've be linked with clubs like Palace or Fulham. Then from nowhere he's scoring for fun and they're mostly really good goals as well. I have no idea what triggered him to kick on like this but the tiny little alarm bell won't go away. He's probably worth the gamble at that fee though.
Post by: Drummond on December 13, 2023, 03:48:28 PM
I'd be amazed if we're not interested in Serhou Guirassy of Stuttgart, he has a £15m buy out clause, 16 goals in eleven in the Bundesliga (18 goals in 13 games in all comps) and at 27 he knows the score. He can also play in Europe. Milan and Man U also said to be interested.
Good reason to steer clear!
Post by: Drummond on December 13, 2023, 03:50:22 PM
The rules say this:
"A "Home Grown Player" means a player who, irrespective of nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to The Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons, or 36 months, before his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21)."
So he doesn't qualify, as his birthday is June, which is after the end of the season. He'll qualify as home grown next season.
But if he was registered with West Brom, then he has been affiliated to 'any club' affiliated to the FA?
It's obviously got to be one club for the homegrown rule! Otherwise the rule for under 21 players who aren't homegrown applies.
Fair enough, just didn't read that way. I thought the homegrown perhaps (or hopefully) meant in terms of home nation.
Post by: paul_e on December 13, 2023, 03:53:02 PM
The rules say this:
"A "Home Grown Player" means a player who, irrespective of nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to The Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons, or 36 months, before his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21)."
So he doesn't qualify, as his birthday is June, which is after the end of the season. He'll qualify as home grown next season.
But if he was registered with West Brom, then he has been affiliated to 'any club' affiliated to the FA?
It's obviously got to be one club for the homegrown rule! Otherwise the rule for under 21 players who aren't homegrown applies.
Fair enough, just didn't read that way. I thought the homegrown perhaps (or hopefully) meant in terms of home nation.
In the domestic rule it does. Uefa have an extra layer where half of the homegrown quota (or locally-trained as they phrase it) have to have trained with the club for 3 years, not just within the same home association. So 4 trained in England or Wales between 15-21 and 4 at the club between 15 and 21.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 13, 2023, 03:54:18 PM
I'd be amazed if we're not interested in Serhou Guirassy of Stuttgart, he has a £15m buy out clause, 16 goals in eleven in the Bundesliga (18 goals in 13 games in all comps) and at 27 he knows the score. He can also play in Europe. Milan and Man U also said to be interested.
I've seen his name come up before and I have no idea what to think. Until this year he was a fairly average 1 in 3 striker who would've be linked with clubs like Palace or Fulham. Then from nowhere he's scoring for fun and they're mostly really good goals as well. I have no idea what triggered him to kick on like this but the tiny little alarm bell won't go away. He's probably worth the gamble at that fee though.
Playing for a better side? He was a one in two games last season. In two seasons at Stuttgart (one on loan) his record is played 41, scored 32. Only question is though French he understandably prefers to play for Guinea who have 3 games in January so realistically we wouldn't see him until February.
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 13, 2023, 05:41:36 PM
Picking through the garbage of the united squad are there any we can offer European football to?Sancho could do with a change of scenery. A loan to get him some game time?
Wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole.
You just know that if Unai had him for a couple of months, he’d transform him into the player he was at Dortmund, with extra work rate thrown in.
He would be much less of a gamble because of our manager.
He'd do that for a lot of players that wouldn't cost as much and could be arsed to get to training on time as well thiugh
I would rate Casimero on loan this season and maybe move as champions league experienced player squad option next season
Not cost effective in some ways but a very decent player still, and provides support and expertise in Kamara role.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 13, 2023, 05:43:07 PM
Picking through the garbage of the united squad are there any we can offer European football to?Sancho could do with a change of scenery. A loan to get him some game time?
Wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole.
You just know that if Unai had him for a couple of months, he’d transform him into the player he was at Dortmund, with extra work rate thrown in.
He would be much less of a gamble because of our manager.
He'd do that for a lot of players that wouldn't cost as much and could be arsed to get to training on time as well thiugh
I would rate Casimero on loan this season and maybe move as champions league experienced player squad option next season
Not cost effective in some ways but a very decent player still, and provides support and expertise in Kamara role.
The only place he'd be any use for us would be hoovering up all the leftovers in the Lower Grounds post-match, the fat bastard.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 13, 2023, 05:55:49 PM
the prize for the most stupid and unlikely signing ever?Picking through the garbage of the united squad are there any we can offer European football to?Sancho could do with a change of scenery. A loan to get him some game time?
Wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole.
You just know that if Unai had him for a couple of months, he’d transform him into the player he was at Dortmund, with extra work rate thrown in.
He would be much less of a gamble because of our manager.
He'd do that for a lot of players that wouldn't cost as much and could be arsed to get to training on time as well thiugh
I would rate Casimero on loan this season and maybe move as champions league experienced player squad option next season
Not cost effective in some ways but a very decent player still, and provides support and expertise in Kamara role.
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 13, 2023, 06:05:47 PM
But five UEFA Champions Leagues wins says his pedigree. Man Utd were fools in leaving him out in my view. Having some experience pros is always a good thing. And he's still a high calibre player.
Post by: Clampy on December 13, 2023, 06:25:13 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 13, 2023, 06:34:23 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 13, 2023, 06:39:59 PM
They are hardly going to loan one of their best midfielders to a team who could be challenging them for a Champions League spot.Well actually there's been reports Manchester United open to offers for players including Casemiro, Sancho, Varane, Martial they need to generate funds before strengthening.
Micah Richards thinks we should sign Ivan Toney, and YouTube guy James Lawrence Allcott thinks we should get Timo Werner in.
How about this one then Antony Martial?
Emery would work wonders with Anthony Martial I'm sure he would revitalise him. Contract expires in the summer and Man Utd aren't going to extend the option for another year, a cheap signing in winter that strengthens the striker options.
And Monchi signed Martial last year on loan for Sevilla.
Martial said this when he signed last year:
"I’ve already known Monchi for a while because he’s wanted me before. When he called, we understood that we wanted to work together, and so I could help him towards the aim which the team has,”
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 13, 2023, 06:43:20 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 13, 2023, 06:47:47 PM
A big NO to anyone from Yanited.
Exactly. Man U can do little until they get a forest of deadwood of their hands. Why help them out?
Post by: Monty on December 13, 2023, 06:55:05 PM
A big NO to anyone from Yanited.
Exactly. Man U can do little until they get a forest of deadwood of their hands. Why help them out?
And their absolute best player is someone I don't want within a mile of us.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 13, 2023, 06:59:01 PM
A big NO to anyone from Yanited.
Exactly. Man U can do little until they get a forest of deadwood of their hands. Why help them out?
And their absolute best player is someone I don't want within a mile of us.
??? Remind me again.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 13, 2023, 06:59:16 PM
A big NO to anyone from Yanited.The only one I would consider is Mctominay, could do a job in the sense of putting it about in midfield.
Good attitude and mates with SJM.
Unlikely as I think Ten Haag needs him desperately.
Post by: AV84 on December 13, 2023, 07:02:23 PM
Post by: Monty on December 13, 2023, 07:17:43 PM
A big NO to anyone from Yanited.
Exactly. Man U can do little until they get a forest of deadwood of their hands. Why help them out?
And their absolute best player is someone I don't want within a mile of us.
??? Remind me again.
Bruno Fernandes. He seems like the epitome of that team.
Post by: paul_e on December 13, 2023, 07:43:09 PM
Bruno would add something to the squad but he's an absolute turd and Rashford could be ok if he was willing to put in the work but that's it and neither would be automatic starters for us given how we're set up.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 13, 2023, 07:46:23 PM
And their absolute best player is someone I don't want within a mile of us.
??? Remind me again.
Bruno Fernandes. He seems like the epitome of that team.
Wasn't sure if you meant him or Rashford. Judging by the comments on their forum, Yanited fans would happily drive them both to B6 if we'd take them off their hands.
Post by: Monty on December 13, 2023, 07:47:41 PM
And their absolute best player is someone I don't want within a mile of us.
??? Remind me again.
Bruno Fernandes. He seems like the epitome of that team.
Wasn't sure if you meant him or Rashford. Judging by the comments on their forum, Yanited fans would happily drive them both to B6 if we'd take them off their hands.
The wonderful thing is, that's what they think of their best players.
Post by: Smirker on December 13, 2023, 08:13:19 PM
Back up GK.
Right back.
Then put claret and blue ribbons on the PL trophy.
Post by: Dave P on December 13, 2023, 09:01:51 PM
Post by: Mister E on December 13, 2023, 09:09:17 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill link=topic=64319.msg4491216#msg449121
Well actually there's been reports Manchester United open to offers for players including Casemiro, Sancho, Varane, Martialwhy would we possibly be interested in this lot? And why would we help them? And how would any of these fit into our current set-up? And what value would accrue to us at the end of the season?
Why do you post this stuff?!
And you talk about insight ... Jeez.
Post by: paul_e on December 13, 2023, 09:09:22 PM
This Leao at Milan looks lively. I’d love him if they got knocked out of Europe.
Excellent player, he was brilliant last year, think he got about 15 goals from the wing. Sadly he's rated in the £100m+ bracket.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 13, 2023, 09:25:51 PM
I'd be amazed if we're not interested in Serhou Guirassy of Stuttgart, he has a £15m buy out clause, 16 goals in eleven in the Bundesliga (18 goals in 13 games in all comps) and at 27 he knows the score. He can also play in Europe. Milan and Man U also said to be interested.
Good reason to steer clear!
Ha! Man U are just going through the motions to keep their London and international fanbase happy, makes them think there's still hope.
Post by: Risso on December 13, 2023, 10:06:59 PM
Post by: IFWaters on December 13, 2023, 10:07:05 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 13, 2023, 10:08:07 PM
Martial is absolutely bloody terrible, he's been shit for years at Man U, and he was shit on loan at Seville. Do be quiet Footy.
The absolute poster boy for the decline of Man United.
Post by: paul_e on December 13, 2023, 10:10:07 PM
Martial is absolutely bloody terrible, he's been shit for years at Man U, and he was shit on loan at Seville. Do be quiet Footy.
To round out the others, Casemiro can't cope with the pace of the league, Varane's legs have gone and Sancho doesn't seem all that bothered about not playing, which is a massive red flag at his age.
I wouldn't go anywhere near any of them.
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 13, 2023, 10:11:58 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 13, 2023, 10:17:27 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 13, 2023, 10:37:46 PM
It's entirely possible they've only watched our last 2 games and think Konsa is a RB option, but I was hoping to see some RB suggestions.
The last one I watched suggested Jonas Wind, who we might have been linked to before? And then Guirassy from Stuttgart.
Post by: Drummond on December 13, 2023, 11:05:08 PM
Monchi convinced him to sign for Seville. I was speculating this as potential move not because I want Martial but because Monchi might!
He might do ok for Seville in La Liga, the standard isn't up to Premier League level.
The only caveat I'd add, is that I'd trust Emery to sign whoever he likes if he thinks he would make it work.
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 13, 2023, 11:35:38 PM
This Leao at Milan looks lively. I’d love him if they got knocked out of Europe.
Excellent player, he was brilliant last year, think he got about 15 goals from the wing. Sadly he's rated in the £100m+ bracket.
Yeah, he is a wonderful footballer, but I think a little overly ambitious for us at the moment...
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 14, 2023, 12:00:59 AM
Post by: Garyth on December 14, 2023, 02:14:50 AM
I hope we're not restricting our shopping this window to Spain.
I think we have to get all our American signings in first.
Post by: Holte L2 on December 14, 2023, 07:50:58 AM
Post by: IFWaters on December 14, 2023, 08:03:14 AM
Post by: mrfuse on December 14, 2023, 08:08:21 AM
I've seen a couple of videos on YouTube where they're doing "one player your club should sign in Jan" things, and so far the people doing them all think the most important position for us is another forward.
It's entirely possible they've only watched our last 2 games and think Konsa is a RB option, but I was hoping to see some RB suggestions.
The last one I watched suggested Jonas Wind, who we might have been linked to before? And then Guirassy from Stuttgart.
Well it all really depends on the question. If we are to mount a serious challenge this season to be in the running to win the title or finish in the top 4, I would say injuries to Ollie or Emi would seriously dent that.
Obviously a right back overall is what we need in the long term to strengthen the squad.
Post by: Smithy on December 14, 2023, 11:03:51 AM
Monchi convinced him to sign for Seville. I was speculating this as potential move not because I want Martial but because Monchi might!
He signed him on loan, he was crap, scored one goal, and you think Monchi would want to sign him AGAIN??
Post by: Smithy on December 14, 2023, 11:09:24 AM
I've seen a couple of videos on YouTube where they're doing "one player your club should sign in Jan" things, and so far the people doing them all think the most important position for us is another forward.
It's entirely possible they've only watched our last 2 games and think Konsa is a RB option, but I was hoping to see some RB suggestions.
The last one I watched suggested Jonas Wind, who we might have been linked to before? And then Guirassy from Stuttgart.
Well it all really depends on the question. If we are to mount a serious challenge this season to be in the running to win the title or finish in the top 4, I would say injuries to Ollie or Emi would seriously dent that.
Obviously a right back overall is what we need in the long term to strengthen the squad.
If it's just one player though, and we don't have any glaring gaps in the first 11 (which we don't), then you have to look at the drop-off in quality from the first choice to the second choice. That means Ollie, or Emi, because Konsa is a perfectly capable right-back with Cash - not ideal, and not his preferred position, but he can obviously play there and cover that position pretty well. I don't think the same is true of Duran or Olsen coming in for Ollie or Emi.
I think not getting another specialist forward in during January would be borderline negligent. We've been very lucky that Ollie is apparently made of granite, but all it needs is one bad tackle, or one tweak of a tired hamstring, and our whole attack would look far less threatening. It would also be nice to have a genuine alternative on the bench to play the last half an hour of some games to keep some miles out of Ollie's legs.
Post by: DrGonzo on December 14, 2023, 11:48:29 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 14, 2023, 12:30:22 PM
Is there any universe in which we could get Coots back to help our oush for glory this year? I know we all think that ship has sailed but he has so much quality, such a shame he can't seem to produce it regularly enough now.
Fuck no.
He has been past it ever since his move to Barca...
Post by: TonyD on December 14, 2023, 12:53:30 PM
Heskey has just booked a room on the 6th January at the Belfry.
Post by: Bad English on December 14, 2023, 01:39:32 PM
I've seen... YouTube... and... the people doing them all think...That's nice!
Post by: AV84 on December 14, 2023, 02:10:25 PM
If it's just one player though, and we don't have any glaring gaps in the first 11 (which we don't), then you have to look at the drop-off in quality from the first choice to the second choice. That means Ollie, or Emi, because Konsa is a perfectly capable right-back with Cash - not ideal, and not his preferred position, but he can obviously play there and cover that position pretty well. I don't think the same is true of Duran or Olsen coming in for Ollie or Emi.
I think not getting another specialist forward in during January would be borderline negligent. We've been very lucky that Ollie is apparently made of granite, but all it needs is one bad tackle, or one tweak of a tired hamstring, and our whole attack would look far less threatening. It would also be nice to have a genuine alternative on the bench to play the last half an hour of some games to keep some miles out of Ollie's legs.
One of the points made was that playing Thursday/Sunday football is different when it's knockout football, as opposed to group stages. There will still need to be some rotation but there's obviously less room for that when they're all must win games. So in that respect, when it comes to forward options, we probably do need someone else between Durán and Watkins, in terms of level.
Post by: Baldy on December 14, 2023, 02:48:26 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 16, 2023, 11:29:29 PM
I find it a little bit surprising that two top teams in Europe are now interested in him when Barca couldn't give him away in the summer?
Post by: OCD on December 17, 2023, 11:37:08 AM
Post by: AV84 on December 17, 2023, 12:23:56 PM
He and Carlos mostly played the European games, Konsa played LB a few times, and Torres barely played at all. Potential injuries aside, we don't have to worry too much about rotation again until March.
Post by: OCD on December 17, 2023, 12:39:06 PM
Presumably had Ming's injury not happened, Mings would have played in the league and Pau Torres in Europe. Certainly for the first few month before he started to put pressure on Mings for his place. Lenglet was definitely signed in response to the ACL.
I'd imagine we would prefer a temporary solution. Unless we've spotted a young talent who could replace Mings long-term. Otherwise, the only way I see us going for a permanent left sided centre back would be if we were worried that there would be a high risk of Mings having another long-term injury.
As an aside, I was talking to someone last night who did his ACL and he was told to stop playing football as there was a high risk of it happening again. Given Mings has done both ACL's and one of those, twice, and that he's in his 30's now, there must be concerns.
Post by: AV84 on December 17, 2023, 12:45:02 PM
Obviously we don't know what the terms of Lenglet's loan are but if we kind of went for him in a hurry, and have since been able to have a look around and make a more informed decision on someone else, we might be quite happy to let Barca recall him to sell him on.
Post by: Holy Trinity on December 17, 2023, 04:15:05 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 17, 2023, 04:19:58 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on December 17, 2023, 07:23:48 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 17, 2023, 07:28:39 PM
3 goals and 4 assists in your first 17 games for a club isn't bad. Don't knock Diaby.., you can keep swinging at Zaniolo though
I'm not knocking him, but the idea that we didn't need to sign another out and out striker came from the idea that Diaby and Zaniolo could be played instead of Watkins if necessary. That's clearly not the case at the moment, and so I wouldn't be against signing an actual striker in January.
Post by: London Villan on December 17, 2023, 07:30:11 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 17, 2023, 07:34:43 PM
We should do some kind of swap deal if they want Lenglet.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on December 17, 2023, 07:39:27 PM
Joshua Kimmich apparently available in January. He's a RB, isn't he?
We should do some kind of swap deal if they want Lenglet.
Not sure they'd take that swap - Kimmich would probably cost £65-£75m, and we don't even own Lenglet.
Would be a statement signing for sure; but not sure how we could get around FFP for someone like that.
Post by: Beard82 on December 17, 2023, 07:45:04 PM
Ffs - surely this Monachi bloke can spin it somehow.Joshua Kimmich apparently available in January. He's a RB, isn't he?
We should do some kind of swap deal if they want Lenglet.
Not sure they'd take that swap - Kimmich would probably cost £65-£75m, and we don't even own Lenglet.
Would be a statement signing for sure; but not sure how we could get around FFP for someone like that.
Post by: AV84 on December 17, 2023, 07:48:05 PM
Joshua Kimmich apparently available in January. He's a RB, isn't he?
We should do some kind of swap deal if they want Lenglet.
Not sure they'd take that swap - Kimmich would probably cost £65-£75m, and we don't even own Lenglet.
Would be a statement signing for sure; but not sure how we could get around FFP for someone like that.
Didn't realise he was worth that much!
There's rumours he's had a falling out with Tuchel. I thought if he really wanted out a loan might be an option. Someone else could buy him in the summer. I see he's being linked with Man City already though.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 17, 2023, 07:48:26 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 17, 2023, 07:58:11 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on December 17, 2023, 08:44:41 PM
3 goals and 4 assists in your first 17 games for a club isn't bad. Don't knock Diaby.., you can keep swinging at Zaniolo though
I'm not knocking him, but the idea that we didn't need to sign another out and out striker came from the idea that Diaby and Zaniolo could be played instead of Watkins if necessary. That's clearly not the case at the moment, and so I wouldn't be against signing an actual striker in January.
Oh Amen brother! Diaby isn't a striker and Zaniolo doesn't look like a professional footballer at the moment. Just felt you were a little harsh on Diaby.
Post by: AV84 on December 17, 2023, 08:47:08 PM
Oh Amen brother! Diaby isn't a striker and Zaniolo doesn't look like a professional footballer at the moment. Just felt you were a little harsh on Diaby.
Diaby started brilliantly and if we say he's not looking right at the moment it's against his own amazing standards we're comparing him. But yeah, definitely not knocking him, talking purely about our options for strikers.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 17, 2023, 08:50:48 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 17, 2023, 11:17:35 PM
Post by: ozzjim on December 18, 2023, 05:41:20 AM
Striker is the hardest one to fill. Who is going to come to be the Ollie sub.
Post by: ldavfc4eva on December 18, 2023, 06:54:45 AM
Shame Defoe is retired as that’s the sort of player I would like, experienced but has plenty of nous and knows where the back of the net is.
Perhaps we will end up with Moreno or Williams from Spain
Post by: AV84 on December 18, 2023, 06:39:47 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 06:44:20 PM
Some links to Waldemar Anton at Stuttgart. CB, I believe.
Described as a CB / RB, could be something in it.
Post by: Rigadon on December 18, 2023, 06:45:52 PM
Football Insider still trying to sell Luiz for us with the other media (including the super supportive local paper) are joining in.
I think I read the other day that there may not be a release clause. If that’s the case, there is no way we are selling Douglas Luiz at the moment.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 18, 2023, 07:01:18 PM
Some links to Waldemar Anton at Stuttgart. CB, I believe.
Described as a CB / RB, could be something in it.
I hope this is some kind of joke. I don't think I'll ever seen a showreel of a player that falls over so much. He's like a baby giraffe.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 18, 2023, 07:17:34 PM
Yep, as I said to someone on our coach yesterday...."Who's he going to go to...one of the top 4 that's building and looking to a great future? Oh, hang on..."Football Insider still trying to sell Luiz for us with the other media (including the super supportive local paper) are joining in.
I think I read the other day that there may not be a release clause. If that’s the case, there is no way we are selling Douglas Luiz at the moment.
Post by: AV84 on December 18, 2023, 07:20:21 PM
Post by: Villafirst on December 18, 2023, 08:39:24 PM
We need to add a midfielder, not shed one in Jan.
Striker is the hardest one to fill. Who is going to come to be the Ollie sub.
Solanke from Bournemouth? He looks a great prospect. Maybe a £25m bid would force Bournemouth's hand?
Post by: Dave on December 18, 2023, 08:43:01 PM
We need to add a midfielder, not shed one in Jan.
Striker is the hardest one to fill. Who is going to come to be the Ollie sub.
Solanke from Bournemouth? He looks a great prospect. Maybe a £25m bid would force Bournemouth's hand?
Prospect? He's only a year younger than Ollie.
And given Bournemouth paid £20m for him when he'd barely scored a goal, I don't see why they'd take £25m now.
Post by: Smithy on December 18, 2023, 08:52:47 PM
We need to add a midfielder, not shed one in Jan.
Striker is the hardest one to fill. Who is going to come to be the Ollie sub.
Solanke from Bournemouth? He looks a great prospect. Maybe a £25m bid would force Bournemouth's hand?
Solanke is 26, and been on the books of both Chelsea and Liverpool, so he's not really a "prospect". Also, Bournemouth paid £19m for him, and this season is the best goal-scoring season he's ever had in the premier league. Scored loads in the Championship, but never really done it in the top flight before now. He's close to his prime years, so having paid £19m he's going nowhere for £25m, unless his contract is up in the summer. I would have him as cover for Watkins, but I don't see it happening.
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 18, 2023, 08:53:40 PM
We need to add a midfielder, not shed one in Jan.
Striker is the hardest one to fill. Who is going to come to be the Ollie sub.
Solanke from Bournemouth? He looks a great prospect. Maybe a £25m bid would force Bournemouth's hand?
Prospect? He's only a year younger than Ollie.
And given Bournemouth paid £20m for him when he'd barely scored a goal, I don't see why they'd take £25m now.
Because the player would want to come?
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 08:55:01 PM
We need to add a midfielder, not shed one in Jan.
Striker is the hardest one to fill. Who is going to come to be the Ollie sub.
Solanke from Bournemouth? He looks a great prospect. Maybe a £25m bid would force Bournemouth's hand?
Prospect? He's only a year younger than Ollie.
And given Bournemouth paid £20m for him when he'd barely scored a goal, I don't see why they'd take £25m now.
Because the player would want to come?
This conversation reads like some Arsenal fans talking about Doug.
Post by: Dave on December 18, 2023, 08:57:01 PM
We need to add a midfielder, not shed one in Jan.
Striker is the hardest one to fill. Who is going to come to be the Ollie sub.
Solanke from Bournemouth? He looks a great prospect. Maybe a £25m bid would force Bournemouth's hand?
Prospect? He's only a year younger than Ollie.
And given Bournemouth paid £20m for him when he'd barely scored a goal, I don't see why they'd take £25m now.
Because the player would want to come?
Why should that matter to Bournemouth?
Post by: Smithy on December 18, 2023, 08:58:10 PM
We need to add a midfielder, not shed one in Jan.
Striker is the hardest one to fill. Who is going to come to be the Ollie sub.
Solanke from Bournemouth? He looks a great prospect. Maybe a £25m bid would force Bournemouth's hand?
Prospect? He's only a year younger than Ollie.
And given Bournemouth paid £20m for him when he'd barely scored a goal, I don't see why they'd take £25m now.
Because the player would want to come?
This conversation reads like some Arsenal fans talking about Doug.
Yeah, I just checked, he signed a new four-year contract in Sept. He's going nowhere unless Bournemouth want to cash in, which means he won't be cheap. Move on. Next.
Post by: Villafirst on December 18, 2023, 09:10:21 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 09:20:35 PM
Post by: KevinGage on December 18, 2023, 09:33:10 PM
What does it say to Bournemouth fans if they cash in on their best forward in Jan.
Post by: Dave on December 18, 2023, 09:34:07 PM
Ok, up the bid to £30 - 35m which isn't much in the Premier League these days. Plus he'd be playing in front of 42,000 fans instead of a stadium which you could fit into the Holte End with room to spare! And a potential Premier League Champions medal come May! Surely he'd jump at the chance?
It's similar to us and Douglas Luiz, as has been said above.
His value to Bournemouth is far greater than his value to us. Just like DL's value to us is greater than an amount that (one would hope) Arsenal would want to pay for him.
Unless there's something in his contract that allows him to leave, the £100m or so that his Premier League status gives to Bournemouth means they just reject anything we bid.
He'd fit nicely into our squad. Exactly the sort of job Wilson does for Newcastle. But not to the extent that we would throw £60m at them. We'd be daft to pay that, and they'd be daft to accept less than that.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 09:35:17 PM
Post by: Goldie.7 on December 19, 2023, 10:58:26 AM
Someone like a Giroud would be perfect.
Giroud in Jan would be a smart bit of business. His contract is expiring, ac milan knocked out of chumps league and he can be registered for the conference league in January. He's got 8 goals / 5 assists so far this season. (Ollie is 9 / 6)
18-month deal with a low transfer fee would hardly break the bank. Duran is alright but Giroud would be a significant upgrade.
Post by: AV84 on December 19, 2023, 11:01:11 AM
Someone like a Giroud would be perfect.
Giroud in Jan would be a smart bit of business. His contract is expiring, ac milan knocked out of chumps league and he can be registered for the conference league in January. He's got 8 goals / 5 assists so far this season. (Ollie is 9 / 6)
18-month deal with a low transfer fee would hardly break the bank. Duran is alright but Giroud would be a significant upgrade.
He can also play in goal!
Post by: Risso on December 19, 2023, 11:01:55 AM
Post by: Monty on December 19, 2023, 11:03:55 AM
Giroud's 37 though. Good player, but has he still got the legs for the Premier League?
Based on what I've been watching - no, I would say not. If we ever have an Ollie-shaped hole in the team for whatever reason, it's his mobility we'd miss most of all. Giroud can do fine for a Milan team who expect to dominate the ball and that allows him to move mostly between the D and the six yard box, but the way we play, on transitions etc? It's not what I'd go for.
Post by: Risso on December 19, 2023, 11:10:40 AM
Giroud's 37 though. Good player, but has he still got the legs for the Premier League?
Based on what I've been watching - no, I would say not. If we ever have an Ollie-shaped hole in the team for whatever reason, it's his mobility we'd miss most of all. Giroud can do fine for a Milan team who expect to dominate the ball and that allows him to move mostly between the D and the six yard box, but the way we play, on transitions etc? It's not what I'd go for.
That would be my worry too Monty. He'd be someone to aim the ball up to for flick ons, but that's not how we play. If we buy a forward it needs to be somebody with a lot of running and mobility who can play anywhere in the forward positions. A Bowen type possibly.
Post by: Monty on December 19, 2023, 11:15:02 AM
Giroud's 37 though. Good player, but has he still got the legs for the Premier League?
Based on what I've been watching - no, I would say not. If we ever have an Ollie-shaped hole in the team for whatever reason, it's his mobility we'd miss most of all. Giroud can do fine for a Milan team who expect to dominate the ball and that allows him to move mostly between the D and the six yard box, but the way we play, on transitions etc? It's not what I'd go for.
That would be my worry too Monty. He'd be someone to aim the ball up to for flick ons, but that's not how we play. If we buy a forward it needs to be somebody with a lot of running and mobility who can play anywhere in the forward positions. A Bowen type possibly.
I kind of think we might already have that if Diaby finds some form again, as we know he and Bailey enjoy playing together. The trouble with that is that it loses both the robust, percussive element of Watkins' play and the months of practicing that role, staying central, running at the goal etc.
Really, it's not a new insight, but we need our own Calum Wilson. Someone who's probably happy enough being the understudy but who's also reliable, mobile, and good in front of goal. Problem is, there aren't a lot of those.
Post by: LeeB on December 19, 2023, 11:24:00 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 19, 2023, 11:45:17 AM
I would not know where to begin with a new RB - certainly one better than Cash (i do not follow a lot of world football)
I think the Donk replacement is for the summer
Post by: Goldie.7 on December 19, 2023, 11:55:45 AM
Giroud's 37 though. Good player, but has he still got the legs for the Premier League?
I've watched pretty much every ac milan match this season and he looks in great shape. We don't need him to do the running - that's for Diaby and Bailey to do. We need him to be at the end of their crosses and passes and positionally there's not many better than Giroud attainable in January.
Watkins doesn't really do any pressing or running any more either. He had 34 touches against Brentford and 37 yr old Giroud's last match he had 36.
vs arsenal 35 touches
Giroud's second to last 39 touches
Both have similar heat maps for past 5 league matches.
Giroud wins almost half of his ground duels and has made 7 defensive clearances in 13 league matches so he'll also be handy for any opposition set-pieces.
There's method to the questionable madness ;D
Post by: Monty on December 19, 2023, 11:58:36 AM
Giroud's 37 though. Good player, but has he still got the legs for the Premier League?
I've watched pretty much every ac milan match this season and he looks in great shape. We don't need him to do the running - that's for Diaby and Bailey to do. We need him to be at the end of their crosses and passes and positionally there's not many better than Giroud attainable in January.
Watkins doesn't really do any pressing or running any more either. He had 34 touches against Brentford and 37 yr old Giroud's last match he had 36.
vs arsenal 35 touches
Giroud's second to last 39 touches
Both have similar heat maps for past 5 league matches.
Giroud wins almost half of his ground duels and has made 7 defensive clearances in 13 league matches so he'll also be handy for any opposition set-pieces.
There's mention to the questionable madness ;D
In a slower league, in a team that plays possession against low blocks every single week. I'm not knocking Giroud, what he's doing is remarkable, but I don't think it's replacing Watkins in our team. Oddly, I think he'd do better at, say, Arsenal!
Post by: Goldie.7 on December 19, 2023, 12:18:08 PM
Post by: Monty on December 19, 2023, 12:20:52 PM
In a slower league is pretty comical considering how pedestrian we played on Sunday. I don't think we could have slowed it down much more than we did without it becoming literal walking pace.
I know you say you watch a lot of Milan but believe me Italy is slower, it always has been even when it was miles better in quality terms. Year before last I went to a few Venezia Serie A games, and when I got to VP last year it was a totally different physical level.
You need to watch the acceleration of players moving off the ball, it's frightening.
Post by: coreyfeldman on December 19, 2023, 02:28:02 PM
Post by: Monty on December 19, 2023, 02:29:08 PM
Almost no players from serie A have done well in England for about 15 years now, possibly a couple of exceptions
Well, not sure I'd go that far, and there aren't necessarily that many who make that journey anyway.
I'll agree though that it's less of a sure thing than it might once have been - I'm sure Batistuta would've done absolutely fine in the PL of the 90s. That said, Veron didn't do very well at Man Utd did he? The league styles were indeed very different back then too.
Post by: paul_e on December 19, 2023, 02:41:05 PM
However I agree with the main point, players from Germany and Italy struggle to settle a lot more than players from France and Spain, which is why I'd focus on those leagues (and domestic) for any signings who we want to see an immediate impact from.
Post by: OCD on December 19, 2023, 02:44:01 PM
I'd say players coming from Italy, Croatia, Serbia are slower to adapt, if they do.
Post by: brontebilly on December 19, 2023, 02:53:05 PM
Almost no players from serie A have done well in England for about 15 years now, possibly a couple of exceptions
Spurs got in four decent ones recently! The same 'fact' is thrown out about Bundesliga players too but it doesnt really stand up to scrutiny.
I guess traditionally the PL would have been seen as more athletic and physical. Refereeing definitely more tolerant of tackles and physical contests in midfield particularly. The likes of Veretout and Sanson, despite being good footballers, struggled to mix it physically but did well elsewhere. I actually think Sanson could have done ok under Emery as we play a lot more patient football these days and he would be a better fit than the Donk maybe. But he was never going to be as dynamic as Ramsey or McGinn.
Post by: paul_e on December 19, 2023, 03:23:20 PM
Almost no players from serie A have done well in England for about 15 years now, possibly a couple of exceptions
Spurs got in four decent ones recently! The same 'fact' is thrown out about Bundesliga players too but it doesnt really stand up to scrutiny.
I guess traditionally the PL would have been seen as more athletic and physical. Refereeing definitely more tolerant of tackles and physical contests in midfield particularly. The likes of Veretout and Sanson, despite being good footballers, struggled to mix it physically but did well elsewhere. I actually think Sanson could have done ok under Emery as we play a lot more patient football these days and he would be a better fit than the Donk maybe. But he was never going to be as dynamic as Ramsey or McGinn.
4? You're going to have to qualify that because I'll give you Udogie and Kulusevski (although both have had some pretty ropey moments as well). Counting Vicario would be a stretch given this is clearly about out field players and Bentancur is the only other player I can think of and he's clearly struggled with the pace and physicality of the league, which is a big part of why he's had so many injury problems.
The Germany thing is pretty clear to me as well so please provide the scrutiny, will it be similar to your player ratings where you just seem to make up ridiculously low numbers for shock value?
Post by: brontebilly on December 19, 2023, 03:39:18 PM
Almost no players from serie A have done well in England for about 15 years now, possibly a couple of exceptions
Spurs got in four decent ones recently! The same 'fact' is thrown out about Bundesliga players too but it doesnt really stand up to scrutiny.
I guess traditionally the PL would have been seen as more athletic and physical. Refereeing definitely more tolerant of tackles and physical contests in midfield particularly. The likes of Veretout and Sanson, despite being good footballers, struggled to mix it physically but did well elsewhere. I actually think Sanson could have done ok under Emery as we play a lot more patient football these days and he would be a better fit than the Donk maybe. But he was never going to be as dynamic as Ramsey or McGinn.
4? You're going to have to qualify that because I'll give you Udogie and Kulusevski (although both have had some pretty ropey moments as well). Counting Vicario would be a stretch given this is clearly about out field players and Bentancur is the only other player I can think of and he's clearly struggled with the pace and physicality of the league, which is a big part of why he's had so many injury problems.
The Germany thing is pretty clear to me as well so please provide the scrutiny, will it be similar to your player ratings where you just seem to make up ridiculously low numbers for shock value?
Goalkeepers are players, believe it or not. Their ability to keep the ball is crucial these days. Vicario has been a key addition for them. Bentancur was excellent for them before injury, it's a contact sport so such things so happen, likely he will be come good again once fit. Udogie and Kulusevski both have been very good. There's your four successful Seria A signings at one club.
Bundesliga...there's a few guys maybe you havent heard of them but....Haaland, he's a striker for Man City, scored a few. Son at Tottenham has done alright, Firmino remember him, he did ok at Liverpool too. There are others like De Bruyne, Auba, Gundogan, Kompany, Dzeko, Ballack, all seemed to do ok in PL. Might not have passed your clearly superior scrutiny, mind
Post by: Monty on December 19, 2023, 03:41:43 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 19, 2023, 03:41:43 PM
Is he in Italy because everything is slower and that's his level now? Or does he play slower because that's how the team plays?
Post by: enigma on December 19, 2023, 04:03:09 PM
Bentancur has been very good for Spurs though.Almost no players from serie A have done well in England for about 15 years now, possibly a couple of exceptions
Spurs got in four decent ones recently! The same 'fact' is thrown out about Bundesliga players too but it doesnt really stand up to scrutiny.
I guess traditionally the PL would have been seen as more athletic and physical. Refereeing definitely more tolerant of tackles and physical contests in midfield particularly. The likes of Veretout and Sanson, despite being good footballers, struggled to mix it physically but did well elsewhere. I actually think Sanson could have done ok under Emery as we play a lot more patient football these days and he would be a better fit than the Donk maybe. But he was never going to be as dynamic as Ramsey or McGinn.
4? You're going to have to qualify that because I'll give you Udogie and Kulusevski (although both have had some pretty ropey moments as well). Counting Vicario would be a stretch given this is clearly about out field players and Bentancur is the only other player I can think of and he's clearly struggled with the pace and physicality of the league, which is a big part of why he's had so many injury problems.
The Germany thing is pretty clear to me as well so please provide the scrutiny, will it be similar to your player ratings where you just seem to make up ridiculously low numbers for shock value?
Post by: paul_e on December 19, 2023, 04:29:14 PM
Almost no players from serie A have done well in England for about 15 years now, possibly a couple of exceptions
Spurs got in four decent ones recently! The same 'fact' is thrown out about Bundesliga players too but it doesnt really stand up to scrutiny.
I guess traditionally the PL would have been seen as more athletic and physical. Refereeing definitely more tolerant of tackles and physical contests in midfield particularly. The likes of Veretout and Sanson, despite being good footballers, struggled to mix it physically but did well elsewhere. I actually think Sanson could have done ok under Emery as we play a lot more patient football these days and he would be a better fit than the Donk maybe. But he was never going to be as dynamic as Ramsey or McGinn.
4? You're going to have to qualify that because I'll give you Udogie and Kulusevski (although both have had some pretty ropey moments as well). Counting Vicario would be a stretch given this is clearly about out field players and Bentancur is the only other player I can think of and he's clearly struggled with the pace and physicality of the league, which is a big part of why he's had so many injury problems.
The Germany thing is pretty clear to me as well so please provide the scrutiny, will it be similar to your player ratings where you just seem to make up ridiculously low numbers for shock value?
Goalkeepers are players, believe it or not. Their ability to keep the ball is crucial these days. Vicario has been a key addition for them. Bentancur was excellent for them before injury, it's a contact sport so such things so happen, likely he will be come good again once fit. Udogie and Kulusevski both have been very good. There's your four successful Seria A signings at one club.
Bundesliga...there's a few guys maybe you havent heard of them but....Haaland, he's a striker for Man City, scored a few. Son at Tottenham has done alright, Firmino remember him, he did ok at Liverpool too. There are others like De Bruyne, Auba, Gundogan, Kompany, Dzeko, Ballack, all seemed to do ok in PL. Might not have passed your clearly superior scrutiny, mind
Do you honestly think that a goalkeeper has the same pressures over how quickly players close down, etc? Surely you can't believe that.
Bentancur I stand by the fact that he's shown quality but has looked far too slow and that is a big part of why he's been injured, he also, like many others, came in and hit the ground running and then dropped off after a couple of months because the relentlessness of how little time you get on the ball is the problem.
As for the others I gave you both but I still find it funny that they often put in the sort of performances you'd be dishing out 4 or 5 out of 10 to if they were Villa players.
The list of German signings is even better, by including Ballack you covered 17 years and named 9 players, I agree with you, they all did pretty well (although a few of them took a while to settle still) but 9 out of what must be 100 or more doesn't really prove your point.
Joelinton, Haller, Sancho, Bailey, Can, Havertz, Werner, Hwang and Mateta - there's a match for your 9 of players who either failed or weren't good enough for at least a year.
Post by: Monty on December 19, 2023, 04:31:29 PM
Post by: Risso on December 19, 2023, 04:37:06 PM
Post by: Monty on December 19, 2023, 04:38:48 PM
Post by: eamonn on December 19, 2023, 04:52:37 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 19, 2023, 04:54:05 PM
Havertz? £65m for a failed striker who is only getting a game in midfield until Partey is fit again?
Rumours have Partey on his way out of Arsenal, possibly due to other rumours.
Post by: paul_e on December 19, 2023, 04:54:52 PM
Joelinton, Bailey, Hwang, Mateta and now even Havertz to an extent have all been fine!
but they weren't for 12-18months, which I said.
Post by: Monty on December 19, 2023, 04:56:42 PM
Joelinton, Bailey, Hwang, Mateta and now even Havertz to an extent have all been fine!
but they weren't for 12-18months, which I said.
Ahhhh it all makes sense.
Post by: DrGonzo on December 19, 2023, 05:03:25 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 19, 2023, 05:06:43 PM
Can we open a "Circular Bickering" thread wherein we can vote for certain conversations to be shunted to so that we don't have to go through page after page of increasingly lengthy requotes that don't lead anywhere?
No, quoting circular bickering in the threads should be left in their original threads....
Post by: LeeB on December 19, 2023, 05:14:26 PM
Can we open a "Circular Bickering" thread wherein we can vote for certain conversations to be shunted to so that we don't have to go through page after page of increasingly lengthy requotes that don't lead anywhere?
No, quoting circular bickering in the threads should be left in their original threads....
No, I'm not sure I agree, and you smell.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 19, 2023, 05:16:48 PM
Can we open a "Circular Bickering" thread wherein we can vote for certain conversations to be shunted to so that we don't have to go through page after page of increasingly lengthy requotes that don't lead anywhere?
No, we fucking can't.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 19, 2023, 05:22:27 PM
Post by: frank black on December 19, 2023, 05:27:29 PM
Post by: Dave on December 19, 2023, 05:27:48 PM
Havertz? £65m for a failed striker who is only getting a game in midfield until Partey is fit again?
He wasn't a striker in Germany. Right now he's being used by Arsenal in the way Leverkusen used him, pretty much for the first time since he left them.
And unsurprisingly, he's actually fine there.
Post by: AV84 on December 19, 2023, 05:43:24 PM
So who we signing to replace Lenglet then?. Seems he might be off
Waldemar Anton.
Post by: paul_e on December 19, 2023, 05:45:43 PM
Havertz? £65m for a failed striker who is only getting a game in midfield until Partey is fit again?
He wasn't a striker in Germany. Right now he's being used by Arsenal in the way Leverkusen used him, pretty much for the first time since he left them.
And unsurprisingly, he's actually fine there.
Fine but not £65m level.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 19, 2023, 05:49:21 PM
Giroud's 37 though. Good player, but has he still got the legs for the Premier League?
Edinson Cavani is only 36. I'd have loved us to have signed him before he went to the Plastics. In fact I'd have loved us to have signed him before he went to Napoli.
Post by: Dave on December 19, 2023, 05:55:08 PM
Havertz? £65m for a failed striker who is only getting a game in midfield until Partey is fit again?
He wasn't a striker in Germany. Right now he's being used by Arsenal in the way Leverkusen used him, pretty much for the first time since he left them.
And unsurprisingly, he's actually fine there.
Fine but not £65m level.
I'd probably be comfortable giving him more than about four matches there before making a firm judgement either way.
Post by: paul_e on December 19, 2023, 06:10:27 PM
Havertz? £65m for a failed striker who is only getting a game in midfield until Partey is fit again?
He wasn't a striker in Germany. Right now he's being used by Arsenal in the way Leverkusen used him, pretty much for the first time since he left them.
And unsurprisingly, he's actually fine there.
Fine but not £65m level.
I'd probably be comfortable giving him more than about four matches there before making a firm judgement either way.
True, but it doesn't disprove the idea that he's joined from Germany and is yet to prove worth what he cost. It may change but it's taken a while.
Post by: Bad English on December 19, 2023, 06:17:29 PM
Post by: brontebilly on December 19, 2023, 06:27:43 PM
Vicario might be a good distributor but he doesn't look any less shakey to me in terms of keeping the ball out of the net than Lloris showed in the last couple of seasons.
Lloris was obviously very good at his peak but he was throwing them in for the last 12-18 months. That other guy Forster reminded me of Kalinic, nowhere near PL standard.
Our game against them at Villa Park is going to be tasty.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 19, 2023, 06:46:49 PM
So who we signing to replace Lenglet then?. Seems he might be off
Waldemar Anton.
Otherwise known as Alan Hutton on stilts.
Post by: baddowvillans on December 19, 2023, 07:27:40 PM
Post by: Dave on December 19, 2023, 07:30:06 PM
It would be a yes from me
Alan-Hutton-on-stilts as a concept or whoever this Anton bloke is?
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 19, 2023, 08:31:20 PM
I’ve no idea what kind of striker he is, I think different to Ollie in that he’s more of a target man but Taremi from Porto has always looked pretty handy.
Post by: brontebilly on December 19, 2023, 08:58:24 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 19, 2023, 09:01:25 PM
Duran seems to be back in the good books with Emery lately. Getting plenty of minutes lately.
It may be a case of Emery trying to weigh up whether he can be relied upon to be backup for Watkins to a high enough level, or do we need to spend in that position in January.
I think Durán will come good, it's just a question of when, and if we need a somewhat temporary option in the meantime.
Post by: Monty on December 19, 2023, 09:23:08 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 19, 2023, 09:28:08 PM
Backup for Watson? Like, Lestrade?
Oops. My brain keeps doing that. Usually I catch it but I've corrected it now.
Post by: JJ-AV on December 19, 2023, 09:36:28 PM
Post by: Dave on December 19, 2023, 09:40:16 PM
Gallagher and Hwang would do me in January
I imagine that we could spend £100m far better than a couple of people to pad out the bench.
Post by: Monty on December 19, 2023, 10:07:43 PM
Backup for Watson? Like, Lestrade?
Oops. My brain keeps doing that. Usually I catch it but I've corrected it now.
Ha fair, any excuse to bring up Sherlockiana.
Post by: AV84 on December 19, 2023, 10:22:36 PM
Gallagher and Hwang would do me in January
At the same time or......?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 19, 2023, 10:42:58 PM
Gallagher and Hwang would do me in January
At the same time or......?
Naughty, naughty, very naughty.....
Post by: DrGonzo on December 19, 2023, 11:57:04 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 19, 2023, 11:58:33 PM
Having failed in their attempts to lure Luiz to Arsenal the media outlets have now turned their attention to Ramsey. Apparently the £22m player is now their “top transfer priority”. Are they really that f’in stupid? (The media that is, at no point have any Arsenal officials said anything about either player)
Based on a literal story from one of them shitty little blog sites like football insider.
They reckon he will replace Thomas Partey... 😂
Post by: AV84 on December 20, 2023, 12:08:00 AM
In other news, Samuel Iling-Junior mentioned again today. I also saw us mentioned along with half the Premier League as keeping track of what's happening with that young Roony Bardghji at Copenhagen. They're apparently willing to cash in on him in January.
Post by: AV84 on December 20, 2023, 12:28:40 AM
I can't wait until we sign absolutely nobody that's been mentioned in this thread.
Post by: ozzjim on December 20, 2023, 07:57:55 AM
Whoever suggested Gallagher Hwuag needs to have a long lie down. Gallagher is the most over rated player in the league atm because he runs about with his socks cut open and his shit greasy hair. He's fucking bobbins, but because he is captain of this amazing Chelsea side, he walks into an England squad.
Post by: LeeB on December 20, 2023, 08:02:41 AM
Post by: AV84 on December 20, 2023, 09:42:23 AM
Whoever suggested Gallagher Hwuag needs to have a long lie down. Gallagher is the most over rated player in the league atm because he runs about with his socks cut open and his shit greasy hair. He's fucking bobbins, but because he is captain of this amazing Chelsea side, he walks into an England squad.
James is Chelsea captain. He's just injured or suspended a lot.
Post by: eamonn on December 20, 2023, 10:57:14 AM
Post by: Dave on December 20, 2023, 11:10:54 AM
Post by: Risso on December 20, 2023, 11:12:50 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 20, 2023, 11:13:58 AM
I like the look of that Hwang whenever I've seen him. Seems full of running with an eye for goal, not unlike Ollie.
Also a diving cheat shithouse , but yes a good player
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 20, 2023, 11:32:37 AM
There's a story in The Sun, via TBR Football, that we've drawn up papers to sign Jonathan Rowe from Norwich.
I saw something that said we've 'prepared documents' and another that said Norwich are 'braced' for offers. I won't get carried away though until someone says we're not just in talks but 'in advanced talks'.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 20, 2023, 11:33:12 AM
There's a story in The Sun, via TBR Football, that we've drawn up papers to sign Jonathan Rowe from Norwich. Although we won't take him until the summer, apparently.
The stumbling block is that he won't have his name changed from Jonathan to Emile Smith in time for the January window.
Post by: Drummond on December 20, 2023, 11:34:04 AM
There's a story in The Sun, via TBR Football, that we've drawn up papers to sign Jonathan Rowe from Norwich.
I saw something that said we've 'prepared documents' and another that said Norwich are 'braced' for offers. I won't get carried away though until someone says we're not just in talks but 'in advanced talks'.
And that our 'warchest' is 'literally bursting at the seams'....
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 20, 2023, 11:36:23 AM
Post by: paul_e on December 20, 2023, 11:40:23 AM
Post by: LeeB on December 20, 2023, 11:58:22 AM
Rowe looks like a very good prospect so I wouldn't be against it but I think Philogene is better and we let him leave...
Yeah, I can't see us buying a young player from that level right now.
Without being a bit MON, I can see them looking at players that have played under Emery or someone similar in approach in Jan to help them quickly adapt and settle in.
You always want to hit the ground running with new signings but especially in our position, and there's clearly a lot to learn for new recruits.
Post by: Dogtanian on December 20, 2023, 12:00:32 PM
Rowe looks like a very good prospect so I wouldn't be against it but I think Philogene is better and we let him leave...
Yeah, I can't see us buying a young player from that level right now.
Without being a bit MON, I can see them looking at players that have played under Emery or someone similar in approach in Jan to help them quickly adapt and settle in.
You always want to hit the ground running with new signings but especially in our position, and there's clearly a lot to learn for new recruits.
Yeah, I'd agree. We surely will want to strengthen in January and the kind of players who will make us better are going to be costly. I don't see us using any FFP wiggle room up on a prospect.
Post by: OCD on December 20, 2023, 12:10:04 PM
Post by: Rigadon on December 20, 2023, 12:26:18 PM
Post by: Drummond on December 20, 2023, 12:26:47 PM
Rowe looks like a very good prospect so I wouldn't be against it but I think Philogene is better and we let him leave...
Yeah, I can't see us buying a young player from that level right now.
Without being a bit MON, I can see them looking at players that have played under Emery or someone similar in approach in Jan to help them quickly adapt and settle in.
You always want to hit the ground running with new signings but especially in our position, and there's clearly a lot to learn for new recruits.
I could see us buying and loaning back for the remainder of the season.
Post by: Dogtanian on December 20, 2023, 01:02:02 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 20, 2023, 01:22:41 PM
Rowe looks like a very good prospect so I wouldn't be against it but I think Philogene is better and we let him leave...
Yeah, I can't see us buying a young player from that level right now.
Without being a bit MON, I can see them looking at players that have played under Emery or someone similar in approach in Jan to help them quickly adapt and settle in.
You always want to hit the ground running with new signings but especially in our position, and there's clearly a lot to learn for new recruits.
I could see us buying and loaning back for the remainder of the season.
The thing I read, which is hardly trustworthy, implied that we were going to agree a deal now but he wouldn't move until the summer. I assume the idea would be to beat other clubs to the signing, and avoid a higher asking price in the summer.
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 20, 2023, 01:26:38 PM
Rowe looks like a very good prospect so I wouldn't be against it but I think Philogene is better and we let him leave...
Yeah, I can't see us buying a young player from that level right now.
Without being a bit MON, I can see them looking at players that have played under Emery or someone similar in approach in Jan to help them quickly adapt and settle in.
You always want to hit the ground running with new signings but especially in our position, and there's clearly a lot to learn for new recruits.
I could see us buying and loaning back for the remainder of the season.
I don't think he is better than Philogene-Bidace, both currently, or via potential, so I would rather we brought Philogene-Bidace back over bringing in someone like Rowe...
Post by: eamonn on December 20, 2023, 03:50:20 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on December 20, 2023, 03:54:01 PM
Post by: Goldie.7 on December 20, 2023, 04:00:15 PM
Gallagherand Hwangwould do me in January
That goof is only good for a yellow card.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 20, 2023, 04:18:07 PM
The boat has sailed now but Alvarez from Man City is the kind of striker we need to cover Watkins.
I’ve no idea what kind of striker he is, I think different to Ollie in that he’s more of a target man but Taremi from Porto has always looked pretty handy.
I wanted Alvarez before he joined Man City. I'm surprised they not only signed him but start him and give him so many minutes. He's good (and still young) but I expected them to go for more proven players.
I mentioned Taremi back in the summer and now he's running down his contract which will end in the summer, when he'll also be 32. News here is Inter are looking to put a bid in for him as they have a striker crisis and despite their CL games against Arsenal, I think Porto will take as much money as they can get their hands on.
What I'm really looking forward to is Monchi's first transfer window. Much was said and written about how we are bringing this genius on board and he's an expert in the transfer market. Bring it on!
Post by: Mister E on December 20, 2023, 04:40:00 PM
Without being a bit MON, I can see them looking at players that have played under Emery or someone similar in approach in Jan to help them quickly adapt and settle in.You're beginning to sound like our friend V-F. Presumably you're thinking someone who speaks Spanish and is unrelated to Altidore ...
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 20, 2023, 06:10:06 PM
Without being a bit MON, I can see them looking at players that have played under Emery or someone similar in approach in Jan to help them quickly adapt and settle in.
Hasn't that been the criteria for all our signings since Emery took over? I was kind of hoping we'd scour the globe for diamonds and besides, there can't be many players left who have played for Unai and we haven't signed. ;)
Post by: Smoke on December 20, 2023, 06:23:47 PM
Diaby barely had either tbf
Post by: brontebilly on December 20, 2023, 06:34:34 PM
Gallagherand Hwangwould do me in January
That goof is only good for a yellow card.
He was decent at Palace playing in an advanced midfield role, scored plenty. Useful competition for McGinn and Ramsey if the price was right which it won't be. For some reason he plays a lot deeper for Chelsea where his technical limitations on the ball are very evident.
Hwang is a very good player, Wolves won't be selling in Jan.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 20, 2023, 07:36:31 PM
Duran, lenglet, moreno hadn't played for emery before?
Diaby barely had either tbf
It was a bit tongue in cheek and I should have added 'or been linked with'.
Lenglet was a Monchi last minute jobbie.
Diaby was known by Unai during their time at PSG.
Moreno never played for Unai and was a great bit of business.
Duran is the obvious one, nobody knew him, not even Unai.
We were almost exclusively linked with players in the Spanish league - Acuña (Monchi), Nicolas Jackson (Unai) are the two I can think of where offers were made.
Post by: Risso on December 20, 2023, 07:51:51 PM
Lenglet was a Monchi last minute jobbie.
Diaby was known by Unai during their time at PSG.
Moreno never played for Unai and was a great bit of business.
Duran is the obvious one, nobody knew him, not even Unai.
A little bit of Jessica in the sun.
Post by: algy on December 20, 2023, 07:53:09 PM
Post by: Gareth on December 20, 2023, 08:21:45 PM
Gallagher and Hwang would do me in January
Gallagher….shudders! Massively overrated for me…all he does is run into people…
Hwang looks decent in a v v dull side though
Post by: LukeJames on December 20, 2023, 08:44:42 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 20, 2023, 08:49:43 PM
Post by: Smithy on December 20, 2023, 08:57:08 PM
Lot of chatter on X re Sancho
I've no idea why people think we're in the market for players being paid £300k a week and who have 2.5 years left on their contracts. The only way I'd even be remotely interested in Sancho is if he was willing to take a 60% pay cut, which is never, ever, going to happen. Even then I'd be concerned on the impact he'd have in the dressing room (which right now, seems excellent).
It just doesn't feel like something we'd do.
Post by: Steve67 on December 20, 2023, 09:11:02 PM
Post by: Smithy on December 20, 2023, 09:42:29 PM
Sancho? Not good enough to get into the Man United side but good enough to get into ours? Hmmm, really??
I don't think he's failing to get in the Man U side because of his ability, I think it's because the manager thinks he's a prick and bad for morale. Which makes him an even less attractive option for us. I don't think talent is his issue, he has plenty of it. He just appears to have an attitude problem and is on absolutely massive wages. Two huge red flags.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 20, 2023, 09:44:54 PM
Gallagher and Hwang would do me in January
Gallagher….shudders! Massively overrated for me…all he does is run into people…
Hwang looks decent in a v v dull side though
This isn’t me advocating for Gallagher, although I think he’s better than he’s shown in that team, but I bet fans of every other team would have said that about all our players 12 months ago.
Post by: VillaTim on December 20, 2023, 09:48:46 PM
No not at all, I thought he must be at the end of his contract when I read the link.Lot of chatter on X re Sancho
I've no idea why people think we're in the market for players being paid £300k a week and who have 2.5 years left on their contracts. The only way I'd even be remotely interested in Sancho is if he was willing to take a 60% pay cut, which is never, ever, going to happen. Even then I'd be concerned on the impact he'd have in the dressing room (which right now, seems excellent).
It just doesn't feel like something we'd do.
Post by: Dave on December 20, 2023, 10:00:47 PM
Sancho? Not good enough to get into the Man United side but good enough to get into ours? Hmmm, really??
I don't think he's failing to get in the Man U side because of his ability, I think it's because the manager thinks he's a prick and bad for morale. Which makes him an even less attractive option for us. I don't think talent is his issue, he has plenty of it. He just appears to have an attitude problem and is on absolutely massive wages. Two huge red flags.
There's also the possibility that he is Ten Hag's sacrificial lamb. I can't imagine they would be doing much worse if he were playing in place of alleged-sex criminal Antony.
Gerrard decided that Mings needed be cast out in a silly ego battle, it's quite possible than Sancho has done nothing wrong here.
Nothing about him before he ended up at Man Utd suggested that there is anything problematic about him.
Post by: Steve67 on December 20, 2023, 10:22:43 PM
Post by: Ian. on December 20, 2023, 10:34:27 PM
Gallagher and Hwang would do me in January
Gallagher….shudders! Massively overrated for me…all he does is run into people…
Hwang looks decent in a v v dull side though
Hwnag has been excellent since Wolves moved him from the wing to striker. He’s got a great touch, intelligent and seems to know where the back of the net is. I’ve been impressed with him.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 20, 2023, 11:51:03 PM
Sancho? Not good enough to get into the Man United side but good enough to get into ours? Hmmm, really??
I don't think he's failing to get in the Man U side because of his ability, I think it's because the manager thinks he's a prick and bad for morale. Which makes him an even less attractive option for us. I don't think talent is his issue, he has plenty of it. He just appears to have an attitude problem and is on absolutely massive wages. Two huge red flags.
There's also the possibility that he is Ten Hag's sacrificial lamb. I can't imagine they would be doing much worse if he were playing in place of alleged-sex criminal Antony.
Gerrard decided that Mings needed be cast out in a silly ego battle, it's quite possible than Sancho has done nothing wrong here.
Nothing about him before he ended up at Man Utd suggested that there is anything problematic about him.
Right now I’d trust Jordan Bowery or Scott Hogan in the hands of Emery and this coaching staff. Plenty of players look lost elsewhere where the environment doesn’t help them flourish. There was nothing to suggest Sancho was a problem before. The Man U manager has created a situation that he didn’t need to, or at minimum made it worse than it needs to be.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 21, 2023, 08:05:09 AM
He wasn’t getting in with or without Ten Hag. This is a failed transfer for Man Yoo chaps. If Sancho came on a free and cut his wages, he’d still have to be content with sitting on our bench. Yet to see the hype for Man Yoo or England, but, I’d support him if he came.Not backing Sancho here but Ten Haag said he dropped him because he was not working hard enough in training during a TV interview, Sancho responded on X, saying it was not true and claiming he was a scapegoat.
Ten Haag wrong to call him out in public in my view.
Word is a number of players have sympathy with Sancho including his mate Rashford.
Of course not one for us but I think he will go out on loan in Jan if Ten Haag survives.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on December 21, 2023, 09:53:10 AM
I'd never heard that rumour about him before.
Not that I was desperate for us to sign him anyway.
Post by: brontebilly on December 21, 2023, 10:04:39 AM
Sancho? Not good enough to get into the Man United side but good enough to get into ours? Hmmm, really??
I don't think he's failing to get in the Man U side because of his ability, I think it's because the manager thinks he's a prick and bad for morale. Which makes him an even less attractive option for us. I don't think talent is his issue, he has plenty of it. He just appears to have an attitude problem and is on absolutely massive wages. Two huge red flags.
There's also the possibility that he is Ten Hag's sacrificial lamb. I can't imagine they would be doing much worse if he were playing in place of alleged-sex criminal Antony.
Gerrard decided that Mings needed be cast out in a silly ego battle, it's quite possible than Sancho has done nothing wrong here.
Nothing about him before he ended up at Man Utd suggested that there is anything problematic about him.
Sancho misbehaved quite a bit at Dortmund too. But outing a player like that, just after the transfer window too, was a terrible decision by EtH.
Especially when he is tolerating likes of Rashford not trying a leg on the pitch when picked out of position.
Post by: Ian. on December 21, 2023, 10:08:12 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 21, 2023, 10:55:36 AM
Gallagher and Hwang would do me in January
Gallagher….shudders! Massively overrated for me…all he does is run into people…
Gallagher reminds me of a rabid little Yorkshire Terrier.
All manic bark & fuck all else...
Post by: London Villan on December 21, 2023, 11:10:40 AM
Post by: brontebilly on December 21, 2023, 11:13:01 AM
Gallagher reminds me of (was it) Bret Holman that played for us? Loads of hair and lots of running behind opposition midfielders.
F*ck me he was useless. Holman, KEA, Tonev...we had some rubbish playing for us back then
Post by: paul_e on December 21, 2023, 11:14:28 AM
Post by: Smithy on December 21, 2023, 11:18:31 AM
I don't want Sancho but I reckon a lot of Villa fans would've said Bailey was the same 4months ago.
It's perfectly true that the current coaching regime has fashioned diamonds out of some players we all thought weren't good enough. It's also possible that they could turn Sancho into a world beater, but it just doesn't feel like a very Monchi/Emery signing. Unless it was a loan for the rest of the season, with Man U paying 75% of his wages. Even then I'd worry about the impact in the dressing room.
I'll be stunned if anything happens with him, but if it does, I'd trust Unai's team to get the best out of him.
Post by: Risso on December 21, 2023, 11:23:34 AM
Post by: paul_e on December 21, 2023, 11:27:51 AM
Just because Bailey has 'come good' after three years doesn't mean that every player will. In any case, Diaby is a much better player than Sancho, but has been below par for ages now. Let's get him back to what he's capable of before we start trying to reinvogorate other players' careers.
That's not what I meant. I'm specifically talking about the idea that Sancho is a troublemaker. That's a label that gets given to unhappy players a little too quickly is all I mean.
I don't think he'd be a good signing for a number of reasons but I have sympathy for him over how he's been treated there.
Post by: Smithy on December 21, 2023, 01:57:56 PM
Just because Bailey has 'come good' after three years doesn't mean that every player will. In any case, Diaby is a much better player than Sancho, but has been below par for ages now. Let's get him back to what he's capable of before we start trying to reinvogorate other players' careers.
That's not what I meant. I'm specifically talking about the idea that Sancho is a troublemaker. That's a label that gets given to unhappy players a little too quickly is all I mean.
I don't think he'd be a good signing for a number of reasons but I have sympathy for him over how he's been treated there.
If it was just at Man Utd (which is a bit of a circus these days), then I'd be inclined to agree with you. But the stories of his behaviour at Man City before his Dortmund move sound eerily similar. Now, he had the excuse of youth back then, but stuff like not attending training sessions when left out of a pre-season tour don't speak to a particularly professional approach behind the scenes. Bild in Germany previously reported him being late for training plenty of times at Dortmund too. He wasn't a "problem" There is something that follows him around that isn't quite right. Maybe he's a misunderstood genius, who knows. Maybe Unai could turn him into a world beater. Either way, it doesn't feel like the sort of signing we would make given our current position and finances.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 21, 2023, 02:00:38 PM
Post by: Mister E on December 21, 2023, 02:11:53 PM
I had heard that he was a bit of an arse generally, which is one reason Citeh were happy for him to go to Dortmund; but this is unsubstantiated.
Nothing about him before he ended up at Man Utd suggested that there is anything problematic about him.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 21, 2023, 02:27:56 PM
I might be remembering selectively, but effective signings in January are players that give teams chasing the league / top 4 either a different dimension. Arsenal seem to get it right (Arshavin, Trossard). I think that if we sign anybody it'll be a centre forward or wide player that allows us to more easily break down bus parkers, of which I would fully expect to see more of now we are considered a very good team.
didnt they sign Arshavin in March :)
Post by: Rigadon on December 21, 2023, 02:49:18 PM
I might be remembering selectively, but effective signings in January are players that give teams chasing the league / top 4 either a different dimension. Arsenal seem to get it right (Arshavin, Trossard). I think that if we sign anybody it'll be a centre forward or wide player that allows us to more easily break down bus parkers, of which I would fully expect to see more of now we are considered a very good team.
didnt they sign Arshavin in March :)
Almost yes.
Post by: LeonW on December 21, 2023, 06:18:57 PM
Just because Bailey has 'come good' after three years doesn't mean that every player will. In any case, Diaby is a much better player than Sancho, but has been below par for ages now. Let's get him back to what he's capable of before we start trying to reinvogorate other players' careers.
That's not what I meant. I'm specifically talking about the idea that Sancho is a troublemaker. That's a label that gets given to unhappy players a little too quickly is all I mean.
I don't think he'd be a good signing for a number of reasons but I have sympathy for him over how he's been treated there.
If it was just at Man Utd (which is a bit of a circus these days), then I'd be inclined to agree with you. But the stories of his behaviour at Man City before his Dortmund move sound eerily similar. Now, he had the excuse of youth back then, but stuff like not attending training sessions when left out of a pre-season tour don't speak to a particularly professional approach behind the scenes. Bild in Germany previously reported him being late for training plenty of times at Dortmund too. He wasn't a "problem" There is something that follows him around that isn't quite right. Maybe he's a misunderstood genius, who knows. Maybe Unai could turn him into a world beater. Either way, it doesn't feel like the sort of signing we would make given our current position and finances.
Yes, his time keeping was definitely a reoccurring problem at Dortmund. They let it slide because of his output. At Yaunited he was given time off last season by Ten Hag to ‘get his head straight’ so to speak as reported by the athletic. Ten Hag lost his temper/tried the stick approach earlier this season and threw him under the bus by saying he wasn’t training properly. Now he’s in a stand off with Ten Hag and that club by refusing to apologize so he’s not playing. All of which is dropping his value and probably putting off clubs at the highest level from taking a punt and picking up his (likely) exorbitant wages.
Post by: OCD on December 21, 2023, 06:21:32 PM
Post by: LeonW on December 21, 2023, 06:23:05 PM
£300k/week just to train. Yeah, I'd say those are exorbitant.
Good work if you can get it.
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 21, 2023, 07:22:39 PM
£300k/week just to train. Yeah, I'd say those are exorbitant.
Good work if you can get it.
And could not be happening to a better team.
Fuck them and all thier prima Donna's
Post by: Dave on December 21, 2023, 07:29:34 PM
£300k/week just to train. Yeah, I'd say those are exorbitant.
Good work if you can get it.
And could not be happening to a better team.
Fuck them and all thier prima Donna's
Prime Donne per piacere.
Post by: LeonW on December 21, 2023, 07:46:18 PM
£300k/week just to train. Yeah, I'd say those are exorbitant.
Good work if you can get it.
And could not be happening to a better team.
Fuck them and all thier prima Donna's
Definitely. If you fancy a laugh, have a look at their 10 most expensive signings. Tells you everything about the state of that club.
Post by: Dave on December 21, 2023, 08:24:35 PM
£300k/week just to train. Yeah, I'd say those are exorbitant.
Good work if you can get it.
And could not be happening to a better team.
Fuck them and all thier prima Donna's
Definitely. If you fancy a laugh, have a look at their 10 most expensive signings. Tells you everything about the state of that club.
Good quiz question.
Lukaku
Antony
Sancho
Pogba
Hojlund
Martinez
Maguire
Wan-Bissaka
Fernandes
Fred
Something like that?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 21, 2023, 08:33:35 PM
Post by: Dave on December 21, 2023, 08:47:52 PM
Post by: LeonW on December 21, 2023, 08:52:12 PM
£300k/week just to train. Yeah, I'd say those are exorbitant.
Good work if you can get it.
And could not be happening to a better team.
Fuck them and all thier prima Donna's
Definitely. If you fancy a laugh, have a look at their 10 most expensive signings. Tells you everything about the state of that club.
Good quiz question.
Lukaku
Antony
Sancho
Pogba
Hojlund
Martinez
Maguire
Wan-Bissaka
Fernandes
Fred
Something like that?
It is that time of the year. You’re missing:
• Southgate’s original love child.
• Mr potato head.
Post by: LeonW on December 21, 2023, 08:52:48 PM
Mount and di Maria?
Thems the ones
Post by: Risso on December 21, 2023, 08:54:42 PM
Post by: LeonW on December 21, 2023, 08:57:12 PM
Casemiro should be on the list. Then you've got the 'not in the top 10, but you paid how much?!" players like van de Beek, Bailly and Depay.
Of course. Forgot Casemiro.
Yes, so many of them. You could do a ‘how much did they pay for their squad and how much would they get now?’ game.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on December 21, 2023, 09:04:18 PM
Casemiro should be on the list. Then you've got the 'not in the top 10, but you paid how much?!" players like van de Beek, Bailly and Depay.
Of course. Forgot Casemiro.
Yes, so many of them. You could do a ‘how much did they pay for their squad and how much would they get now?’ game.
Feckin loads and not much would be the obvious answer.
Post by: LeonW on December 21, 2023, 09:10:38 PM
Casemiro should be on the list. Then you've got the 'not in the top 10, but you paid how much?!" players like van de Beek, Bailly and Depay.
Of course. Forgot Casemiro.
Yes, so many of them. You could do a ‘how much did they pay for their squad and how much would they get now?’ game.
Feckin loads and not much would be the obvious answer.
Definitely. It would be amusing to ask a man Utd fan and do it on an individual player level. Then compare with our squad.
Post by: Smithy on December 21, 2023, 09:11:40 PM
Every club thinks they've made some really bad signings, and we're no different, but of our top 10 most expensive signings of all time, 8 of them are still playing an important part in our first team and most are worth more than we paid. The other two are Wesley and Ings. I think our hit rate on transfers since we came back up has been well above the league average.
Post by: LeonW on December 21, 2023, 09:19:50 PM
They spent over £250m on Pogba, Lukaku, and Di Maria. Those three are still in their top 6 most expensive signings EVER.
Every club thinks they've made some really bad signings, and we're no different, but of our top 10 most expensive signings of all time, 8 of them are still playing an important part in our first team and most are worth more than we paid. The other two are Wesley and Ings. I think our hit rate on transfers since we came back up has been well above the league average.
You could even qualify both Wesley and Ings. We knew we wouldn’t get money back fully on Ings and Wesley got a horrific injury. We’ve got much better at selling as well; Targett, Joe, that Chuck chap, Davis, potentially Archer and Ramsey.
Post by: Dave on December 21, 2023, 09:27:59 PM
Casemiro should be on the list. Then you've got the 'not in the top 10, but you paid how much?!" players like van de Beek, Bailly and Depay.
In fairness, I think all three are arguments for Man Utd being a basket case who ruin players in their formative years over them being bad players who they shouldn't have bought.
On what all three had done when they signed them, they're the "sort of player" we should be aiming for now. We just need to do far better than they do with promising young players when we get them.
Post by: LeonW on December 21, 2023, 09:32:39 PM
Post by: Risso on December 21, 2023, 09:38:24 PM
Post by: LeonW on December 21, 2023, 09:40:25 PM
Post by: OCD on December 21, 2023, 09:50:39 PM
2. Anthony $95m
3. Maguire $87m
4. Sancho $85m
5. Lukaku $84.7m
6. Di Maria $75m
7. Hoijland $73.9m
8. Casemiro $70.65m
9. Fernandes $65m
10. Mount $64.2m
Total - $805.45m
Average - $80.5m
Compared to -
1. Diaby $55m
2. Buendia $38.4m
3. Watkins $34m
4. Pau Torres $33m
5. Bailey $32m
6. Diego Carlos $31m
7. Digne $30m
8. Ings $29.4m
9. Wesley $25m
10. Mings $22.3m
Total - $330.1m
Average - $33.0m
Figures from Transfermarkt.com and given in Euro's.
Post by: LeonW on December 21, 2023, 10:06:03 PM
1. Pogba $105m
2. Anthony $95m
3. Maguire $87m
4. Sancho $85m
5. Lukaku $84.7m
6. Di Maria $75m
7. Hoijland $73.9m
8. Casemiro $70.65m
9. Fernandes $65m
10. Mount $64.2m
Total - $805.45m
Average - $80.5m
Compared to -
1. Diaby $55m
2. Buendia $38.4m
3. Watkins $34m
4. Pau Torres $33m
5. Bailey $32m
6. Diego Carlos $31m
7. Digne $30m
8. Ings $29.4m
9. Wesley $25m
10. Mings $22.3m
Total - $330.1m
Average - $33.0m
Figures from Transfermarkt.com and given in Euro's.
Wow.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 21, 2023, 11:19:58 PM
1. Pogba $105m
2. Anthony $95m
3. Maguire $87m
4. Sancho $85m
5. Lukaku $84.7m
6. Di Maria $75m
7. Hoijland $73.9m
8. Casemiro $70.65m
9. Fernandes $65m
10. Mount $64.2m
Total - $805.45m
Average - $80.5m
Compared to -
1. Diaby $55m
2. Buendia $38.4m
3. Watkins $34m
4. Pau Torres $33m
5. Bailey $32m
6. Diego Carlos $31m
7. Digne $30m
8. Ings $29.4m
9. Wesley $25m
10. Mings $22.3m
Total - $330.1m
Average - $33.0m
Figures from Transfermarkt.com and given in Euro's.
Why are they in dollars?
Post by: Louzie0 on December 21, 2023, 11:32:55 PM
Otherwise, the initiating US website, I think.
Cheers, Percy👍
Post by: john e on December 21, 2023, 11:40:18 PM
Casemiro should be on the list. Then you've got the 'not in the top 10, but you paid how much?!" players like van de Beek, Bailly and Depay.
Of course. Forgot Casemiro.
Yes, so many of them. You could do a ‘how much did they pay for their squad and how much would they get now?’ game.
They can’t sell them anyway because they’re all on too much money even if clubs can afford the new valuations they can’t/won’t afford the wages
Post by: Stu82 on December 22, 2023, 12:02:05 AM
1. Pogba $105m
2. Anthony $95m
3. Maguire $87m
4. Sancho $85m
5. Lukaku $84.7m
6. Di Maria $75m
7. Hoijland $73.9m
8. Casemiro $70.65m
9. Fernandes $65m
10. Mount $64.2m
Total - $805.45m
Average - $80.5m
Compared to -
1. Diaby $55m
2. Buendia $38.4m
3. Watkins $34m
4. Pau Torres $33m
5. Bailey $32m
6. Diego Carlos $31m
7. Digne $30m
8. Ings $29.4m
9. Wesley $25m
10. Mings $22.3m
Total - $330.1m
Average - $33.0m
Figures from Transfermarkt.com and given in Euro's.
Wow.
8 out of or 10 of our 10 most expensive are still involved in first team, although two out injured at the moment.
Post by: algy on December 22, 2023, 12:12:04 AM
Just because Bailey has 'come good' after three years doesn't mean that every player will. In any case, Diaby is a much better player than Sancho, but has been below par for ages now. Let's get him back to what he's capable of before we start trying to reinvogorate other players' careers.Yeah, this.
I know Emery can work miracles with players, but I don't think we have to rely on that as our transfer policy!
There's a case for us buying a right back, a centr forward, or a backup keeper. Maybe a central defender if Lenglet goes. I'm sure we're not restricted to just those positions, and would bring in an instant impact player if one was available. However, I don't think Sancho is any of those things - and he'd cost a small fortune in wages.
I mean if Emery wants him fair enough, he knows better than me. But I don't see it happening.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 22, 2023, 12:37:01 AM
1. Pogba $105m
2. Anthony $95m
3. Maguire $87m
4. Sancho $85m
5. Lukaku $84.7m
6. Di Maria $75m
7. Hoijland $73.9m
8. Casemiro $70.65m
9. Fernandes $65m
10. Mount $64.2m
Total - $805.45m
Average - $80.5m
Compared to -
1. Diaby $55m
2. Buendia $38.4m
3. Watkins $34m
4. Pau Torres $33m
5. Bailey $32m
6. Diego Carlos $31m
7. Digne $30m
8. Ings $29.4m
9. Wesley $25m
10. Mings $22.3m
Total - $330.1m
Average - $33.0m
Figures from Transfermarkt.com and given in Euro's.
Was thinking similar earlier. If we were to field our strongest side at the moment, the cost of it is a fraction of that spent by other sides in the league.
Post by: DrGonzo on December 22, 2023, 12:41:08 AM
This could literally go on for the rest of today.Ah! Welcome to the circular argument thread. Try not to spend too much time here. Time is an illusion, transfer window times doubly so.
Post by: OCD on December 22, 2023, 11:24:08 AM
Why are they in dollars?
Because Transfermarkt had already compiled these lists but prices were in Euro's, only my keyboard doesn't have a Euro's symbol so I used the Dollars symbol to make things easy.
Post by: OCD on December 22, 2023, 12:05:14 PM
Post by: Monty on December 22, 2023, 12:11:08 PM
Timo Werner on a 6-month loan deal?
I've seen this suggested and I literally cannot believe I'm saying this, but...maybe? He does the movement thing that we need in our system.
Post by: paul_e on December 22, 2023, 12:11:33 PM
Why are they in dollars?
Because Transfermarkt had already compiled these lists but prices were in Euro's, only my keyboard doesn't have a Euro's symbol so I used the Dollars symbol to make things easy.
Right alt (alt gr) + 4
Post by: Ian. on December 22, 2023, 12:12:22 PM
Post by: Monty on December 22, 2023, 12:14:50 PM
I would worry Timo is going to be Emery’s Heskey though?
Don't think so. Heskey was an automatic first choice who allowed MON to change a winning tactic and go back to his preferred, inferior tactic. Whoever Emery signs (even if it's Werner!), I'm sure he'd have an extremely detailed and coherent plan for how they'd play in our system.
Post by: Ian. on December 22, 2023, 12:18:18 PM
I could be convinced.
Post by: Risso on December 22, 2023, 12:24:33 PM
True and Emery is not MON. I actually liked Timo, he’s a clever player, but the lack of finishing or goals to finishing ratio would be a worry. We do have goals throughout the team so I guess that also takes the burden away.
I could be convinced.
But adding somebody capable of scoring goals would obviousy be a benefit. Unless Heck thinks that adding too many goals, too soon would be a problem ;)
Post by: eamonn on December 22, 2023, 12:34:41 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 22, 2023, 12:58:47 PM
True and Emery is not MON. I actually liked Timo, he’s a clever player, but the lack of finishing or goals to finishing ratio would be a worry. We do have goals throughout the team so I guess that also takes the burden away.
I could be convinced.
But adding somebody capable of scoring goals would obviousy be a benefit. Unless Heck thinks that adding too many goals, too soon would be a problem ;)
Besides, scoring goals is a false narrative.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 22, 2023, 01:10:12 PM
How's Tiny Timo doing these days?
I believe he’s currently struggling to get in the Leipzig starting XI.
Post by: Ian. on December 22, 2023, 01:24:28 PM
True and Emery is not MON. I actually liked Timo, he’s a clever player, but the lack of finishing or goals to finishing ratio would be a worry. We do have goals throughout the team so I guess that also takes the burden away.
I could be convinced.
But adding somebody capable of scoring goals would obviousy be a benefit. Unless Heck thinks that adding too many goals, too soon would be a problem ;)
Ha ha, maybe I’m not convinced!
Post by: Villa in Denmark on December 22, 2023, 03:39:39 PM
And on the occasions I've seen him actually make it onto the pitch he hasn't exalooked convincing.How's Tiny Timo doing these days?
I believe he’s currently struggling to get in the Leipzig starting XI.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 22, 2023, 03:46:32 PM
True and Emery is not MON. I actually liked Timo, he’s a clever player, but the lack of finishing or goals to finishing ratio would be a worry. We do have goals throughout the team so I guess that also takes the burden away.
I could be convinced.
But adding somebody capable of scoring goals would obviousy be a benefit. Unless Heck thinks that adding too many goals, too soon would be a problem ;)
Ha ha, maybe I’m not convinced!
Risso needs to add a separate tagline at the bottom in reference to Heck “I’m not a believer mate”
Post by: LeonW on December 23, 2023, 09:28:56 AM
Post by: Richard E on December 23, 2023, 09:33:35 AM
Timo Werner on a 6-month loan deal?
Are we allowed any more loans?
Post by: tomd2103 on December 23, 2023, 09:36:42 AM
Patrick Schick. Played with Diaby at Leverkusen. Can play across the front line and also drop back as a creator. Wouldn’t get in Watkins way. The sort of player i’d love us to sign.
Thought he looked good in the last Euros and every time I've seen him since (mainly for Czech Republic).
Post by: LeonW on December 23, 2023, 09:38:22 AM
Patrick Schick. Played with Diaby at Leverkusen. Can play across the front line and also drop back as a creator. Wouldn’t get in Watkins way. The sort of player i’d love us to sign.
Thought he looked good in the last Euros and every time I've seen him since (mainly for Czech Republic).
He’s got Bergkamp-esq qualities. Probably out of our price range but can dream.
Post by: Monty on December 23, 2023, 09:41:18 AM
Post by: IFWaters on December 23, 2023, 09:51:17 AM
Post by: Goldenballs on December 23, 2023, 09:54:40 AM
Post by: Rigadon on December 23, 2023, 10:17:58 AM
Post by: Smithy on December 23, 2023, 10:21:59 AM
I’ve thought for ages that we need another dimension for when we come up against bus parking opposition like last night. Not sure what kind of ‘different’ but I’m sure Emery does.
It's not the first time we've come up against a team that parks the bus and really struggled to break them down. If we have genuine aspirations for a long stay in the top four, then it's a problem we need to solve, and sharpish.
It feels like the sort of thing where a prime Jack Grealish would help enourmously, but we don't really have a place in our team for that "sort" of player these days. Hopefully Unai works it out soon!
Post by: Villafirst on December 23, 2023, 10:25:46 AM
Post by: AV82EC on December 23, 2023, 11:15:20 AM
The squad is looking a bit stretched with injuries and suspensions. I still don't get why Ashley Young was released - he was decent cover at right back. A new RB and striker cover for Watkins is essential. There will be complete meltdown if Watkins gets injured and is ruled out for a sustained period.
The Ashley Young who can’t get in Everton’s team?
Post by: Matt C on December 23, 2023, 01:32:39 PM
Post by: Dave P on December 23, 2023, 03:12:42 PM
Timo Werner on a 6-month loan deal?
Someone who failed at a bunch of entitled pricks in London but had a good reputation on the continent. Maybe Unai sees something in him 😉
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on December 23, 2023, 05:58:27 PM
Based on what I’ve seen of him at Everton I think we got the call right on letting Young leave. Not replacing him hasn’t been ideal but maybe we’ll put that right next month.
Young would probably be useful for us with his experience and versatility - he has actually won titles and trophies. We could certainly have given him a lot of minutes in the Euros, whilst using him as a late sub to slow things down and add to the shithousery and timewasting when needed.
Post by: Goldie.7 on December 23, 2023, 10:45:27 PM
No doubts he's already on the Brighton and Brentford "buy low, sell high" talent conveyor belt.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 23, 2023, 10:57:32 PM
Theo Leoni from Anderlecht looks very tasty and just scored a worldie. 3 goals, 7 assists in 17 appearances so far this season.
His mom was pretty good in Deep Impact.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 23, 2023, 11:09:51 PM
Theo Leoni from Anderlecht looks very tasty and just scored a worldie. 3 goals, 7 assists in 17 appearances so far this season.
His mom was pretty good in Deep Impact.
She is lovely in that , until she dies
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on December 23, 2023, 11:27:09 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 23, 2023, 11:29:53 PM
SPOILERS!
oh sorry, actually we never see a body
Post by: ROBBO on December 23, 2023, 11:34:59 PM
Post by: Monty on December 23, 2023, 11:52:23 PM
Werned is fast, thats it.
Not a fair characterisation, he moves really, really well off the ball! I've never seen a player with such a disparity between how clever their footballing brain was and how shockingly off their finishing was. It was like a laser-guided missile that, on impact, would turn itself into a balloon.
Post by: ROBBO on December 24, 2023, 12:00:00 AM
Post by: Monty on December 24, 2023, 12:33:48 AM
That's what stood out for me Monty, it's no good getting yourself in good positions and then not finishing it off. Putting the ball in the net is the key objective.
It has to be said that it was on this side of the job he came up somewhat short of excelling.
Post by: ozzjim on December 24, 2023, 07:51:10 AM
I do think we suffer much more against the low block when Kamara is out too. He frees McGinn and Doug so much they are way more effective, and Ramsey is miles from fitness and or form at the moment. Tielemans has been growing into the 10 role so his injury has been felt too.
All in we need a very exciting tricky option from the bench, and a cultured, foot on the ball, can pick a pass option. I would still take Gnotto at a knockdown price from Leeds as a bench option.
Post by: Bad English on December 24, 2023, 08:21:13 AM
Post by: Baldy on December 24, 2023, 08:36:46 AM
I wonder if Emery will go back to Villareal for Baena. Not seen huge amounts of him, but seems technically gifted and might be the type he targets to play the right ball at the right time in those tight games.
I do think we suffer much more against the low block when Kamara is out too. He frees McGinn and Doug so much they are way more effective, and Ramsey is miles from fitness and or form at the moment. Tielemans has been growing into the 10 role so his injury has been felt too.
All in we need a very exciting tricky option from the bench, and a cultured, foot on the ball, can pick a pass option. I would still take Gnotto at a knockdown price from Leeds as a bench option.
Read this morning that Bernado Silva has a release clause of 50 million but they reckon it will not be activated this January.
If his thinking of leaving, howsabout a Bid?
At the very least, it would show that Villa are prepared to 'mix it' with the big boys.
Post by: Villafirst on December 24, 2023, 09:01:44 AM
I’ve thought for ages that we need another dimension for when we come up against bus parking opposition like last night. Not sure what kind of ‘different’ but I’m sure Emery does.Tielemans is clever at playing defence splitting passes as is Emi Buendia. Unfortunately both are currently unavailable ( Youri back soon hopefully). But, we certainly need an experienced back up alternative to Watkins. We've been lucky so far that he's managed to play in most of the games. We should've kept Archer!! Duran has potential but is still a bit raw.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 24, 2023, 09:09:15 AM
I wonder if Emery will go back to Villareal for Baena. Not seen huge amounts of him, but seems technically gifted and might be the type he targets to play the right ball at the right time in those tight games.
I do think we suffer much more against the low block when Kamara is out too. He frees McGinn and Doug so much they are way more effective, and Ramsey is miles from fitness and or form at the moment. Tielemans has been growing into the 10 role so his injury has been felt too.
All in we need a very exciting tricky option from the bench, and a cultured, foot on the ball, can pick a pass option. I would still take Gnotto at a knockdown price from Leeds as a bench option.
Torres too. He has a good range of passing from the back which can open teams up. Lenglet did fine on Friday night, but hasn't got that same range of passing and neither has Konsa.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 24, 2023, 09:28:34 AM
Post by: brontebilly on December 24, 2023, 09:40:40 AM
It was Torres cross field pass to Diaby that helped create the equaliser at Bournemouth. We missed thatI wonder if Emery will go back to Villareal for Baena. Not seen huge amounts of him, but seems technically gifted and might be the type he targets to play the right ball at the right time in those tight games.
I do think we suffer much more against the low block when Kamara is out too. He frees McGinn and Doug so much they are way more effective, and Ramsey is miles from fitness and or form at the moment. Tielemans has been growing into the 10 role so his injury has been felt too.
All in we need a very exciting tricky option from the bench, and a cultured, foot on the ball, can pick a pass option. I would still take Gnotto at a knockdown price from Leeds as a bench option.
Torres too. He has a good range of passing from the back which can open teams up. Lenglet did fine on Friday night, but hasn't got that same range of passing and neither has Konsa.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 24, 2023, 11:04:56 AM
Torres plays like a quarterback.
Post by: Risso on December 24, 2023, 11:16:13 AM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 24, 2023, 11:42:48 AM
The problem on Friday wasn't getting the ball from defence to the forward positions though. It was once the ball was with the likes of Luiz, Diaby or Bailey, they ran straight into defenders, gave the ball away, overhit long balls straight to the keeper, or crossed badly into the air for their six barn door defenders to head away easily. First half especially we were camped almost entirely in their half, I don't think Torres would have made that much difference to be honest.Think I agree.
We lacked the craft that top sides possess when they face this type of defensive tactic.
It's so important to take opportunities when they present themselves.
Its going to happen more regularly now we are where we are.
Post by: OCD on December 24, 2023, 11:44:08 AM
Werned is fast, thats it.
Not a fair characterisation, he moves really, really well off the ball! I've never seen a player with such a disparity between how clever their footballing brain was and how shockingly off their finishing was. It was like a laser-guided missile that, on impact, would turn itself into a balloon.
It's much harder to train a footballer's intelligence than it is to coach their shooting ability. If there's any substance to the story, you'd think that Emery thinks him and his coaching staff can help improve that.
Post by: andyh on December 24, 2023, 12:55:47 PM
I think Mudryk is the same.Werned is fast, thats it.
Not a fair characterisation, he moves really, really well off the ball! I've never seen a player with such a disparity between how clever their footballing brain was and how shockingly off their finishing was. It was like a laser-guided missile that, on impact, would turn itself into a balloon.
I think there is a very, very good player in there but it’s just not happening for him.
Post by: LeeB on December 24, 2023, 01:09:42 PM
I think Mudryk is the same.Werned is fast, thats it.
Not a fair characterisation, he moves really, really well off the ball! I've never seen a player with such a disparity between how clever their footballing brain was and how shockingly off their finishing was. It was like a laser-guided missile that, on impact, would turn itself into a balloon.
I think there is a very, very good player in there but it’s just not happening for him.
I agree with that, I think with the right coaching and setup he could be devastating.
Post by: olaftab on December 24, 2023, 06:36:23 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 24, 2023, 07:03:37 PM
I do hope we have made the deal with Bmounth for Solanke to join us next week.
I've bad news for you, it's Toney joining us next week not Solanke.
Post by: Richard E on December 24, 2023, 07:10:17 PM
I do hope we have made the deal with Bmounth for Solanke to join us next week.
I've bad news for you, it's Toney joining us next week not Solanke.
Not both?? FFS, this club.
Post by: Grande Pablo on December 24, 2023, 09:33:51 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 24, 2023, 09:40:56 PM
I read Tonev & nearly needed the local defibrilator.
Given I made it up, what you actually needed was a defibilator.
Post by: Richard E on December 24, 2023, 09:41:58 PM
Post by: CT Villan on December 24, 2023, 11:39:29 PM
January wish-list is RB to push Cash to the bench and a striker to pressure Watkins. If possible I'd also replace Donk with a CDM upgrade and replace Chambers with a ball-playing CB. Assuming Buendia is back in March we can probably hold-out without another AM for now.
Not sure about Duran, maybe send him out on loan if we can bring another forward in.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 24, 2023, 11:40:44 PM
The problem on Friday wasn't getting the ball from defence to the forward positions though. It was once the ball was with the likes of Luiz, Diaby or Bailey, they ran straight into defenders, gave the ball away, overhit long balls straight to the keeper, or crossed badly into the air for their six barn door defenders to head away easily. First half especially we were camped almost entirely in their half, I don't think Torres would have made that much difference to be honest.Think I agree.
We lacked the craft that top sides possess when they face this type of defensive tactic.
It's so important to take opportunities when they present themselves.
Its going to happen more regularly now we are where we are.
Tielemans was a masssive miss on Friday.
He's had to be patient but was starting to come into his peak Leicester form in the Man. City and Arsenal games. That quick pass to Bailey in build up to Man. City goal was excellent.
Hope he's not out for too long, apparently should be back early in the new year.
Post by: AV84 on December 26, 2023, 12:31:24 AM
Post by: Monty on December 26, 2023, 12:36:28 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 26, 2023, 12:43:44 AM
'Crysencio Summerville'.
Tell me why?
Post by: Monty on December 26, 2023, 12:49:58 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 26, 2023, 02:33:05 AM
Romano says we're tracking Crysencio Summerville at Leeds, but they're not interested in selling.
He's quality and the type of player we should be interested in. Tonnes of potential to step up a level or three. Shame we never went after him in the summer when there was more chance of getting him.
Post by: eamonn on December 26, 2023, 02:44:39 AM
Just my theory that player names IRL are being generated by the Championship Manager Wacky Names Generator.
It's really shick.
Post by: Clampy on December 26, 2023, 09:23:47 AM
Couple of questionable links to Matt O'Riley at Celtic, and Romano says we're tracking Crysencio Summerville at Leeds, but they're not interested in selling.
Just because we're linked with Summervile, it ain't necessarily so.
Post by: AV84 on December 26, 2023, 09:37:32 AM
Romano says we're tracking Crysencio Summerville at Leeds, but they're not interested in selling.
He's quality and the type of player we should be interested in. Tonnes of potential to step up a level or three. Shame we never went after him in the summer when there was more chance of getting him.
Apparently Burnley bid 20mil for him in the summer and they turned it down.
Post by: OCD on December 26, 2023, 11:51:37 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 26, 2023, 12:22:22 PM
Im not overly convinced that he is anything different to Philogene-Bidace though...
Post by: Clampy on December 26, 2023, 12:28:49 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 26, 2023, 12:31:46 PM
We were linked with Summerville in the summer, just not in the kind of way that makes you think there might be something to it.
Is this genuine interest or just speculation?
I need to know, don't leave me this way.
Post by: Villafirst on December 26, 2023, 12:44:54 PM
Post by: Richard E on December 26, 2023, 12:56:56 PM
We were linked with Summerville in the summer, just not in the kind of way that makes you think there might be something to it.
Is this genuine interest or just speculation?
I need to know, don't leave me this way.
Will he cope with the step up to a big city club, when he’s a small town boy?
Post by: AV84 on December 26, 2023, 01:50:50 PM
Should've kept Archer as back-up to Watkins. However, we need another striker as insurance for Watkins in case of injury. The squad needs strengthening with the Premier League, FA Cup and Europe matches to come in 2024. A new RB as well!
Archer is better off where he is. He's getting the guts of 90 minutes every week and if nothing else he's getting the experience of playing in the league, against the top teams. We have a buy back clause, or so the story goes, so we can potentially bring him back next season, a far better player than we sold. He would probably have been a better option than Durán this season, but he would have been getting minutes rather than full games.
Post by: Rigadon on December 26, 2023, 02:40:46 PM
Should've kept Archer as back-up to Watkins. However, we need another striker as insurance for Watkins in case of injury. The squad needs strengthening with the Premier League, FA Cup and Europe matches to come in 2024. A new RB as well!
Archer is better off where he is. He's getting the guts of 90 minutes every week and if nothing else he's getting the experience of playing in the league, against the top teams. We have a buy back clause, or so the story goes, so we can potentially bring him back next season, a far better player than we sold. He would probably have been a better option than Durán this season, but he would have been getting minutes rather than full games.
Based on what would he have been a better option to Duran? I'm not sure Archer is good enough to play in a top 4 side - same for Duran, but at least Duran adds physicality and something a bit different when we need that.
Post by: AV84 on December 26, 2023, 02:55:40 PM
Should've kept Archer as back-up to Watkins. However, we need another striker as insurance for Watkins in case of injury. The squad needs strengthening with the Premier League, FA Cup and Europe matches to come in 2024. A new RB as well!
Archer is better off where he is. He's getting the guts of 90 minutes every week and if nothing else he's getting the experience of playing in the league, against the top teams. We have a buy back clause, or so the story goes, so we can potentially bring him back next season, a far better player than we sold. He would probably have been a better option than Durán this season, but he would have been getting minutes rather than full games.
Based on what would he have been a better option to Duran? I'm not sure Archer is good enough to play in a top 4 side - same for Duran, but at least Duran adds physicality and something a bit different when we need that.
I just haven't been that impressed with Durán on the whole, so far, and in the hypothetical situation that we had and used Archer for the exact same minutes in the exact same games, I think he'd have done as well as Durán did.
But the point I was making was mainly that Archer is better off at Sheffield Utd, and we might still benefit from how he develops there over the season. I don't think either him, or Durán, are currently good enough to be legitimate back up options for Watkins.
Post by: curiousorange on December 26, 2023, 03:40:45 PM
We were linked with Summerville in the summer, just not in the kind of way that makes you think there might be something to it.
Is this genuine interest or just speculation?
I need to know, don't leave me this way.
Will he cope with the step up to a big city club, when he’s a small town boy?
It's not for me, it's For A Friend.
Post by: Mister E on December 26, 2023, 04:11:02 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 26, 2023, 04:39:59 PM
We were linked with Summerville in the summer, just not in the kind of way that makes you think there might be something to it.
Is this genuine interest or just speculation?
I need to know, don't leave me this way.
Will he cope with the step up to a big city club, when he’s a small town boy?
It's not for me, it's For A Friend.
All great tunes , but please stop 😳😃
Post by: Forge10 on December 26, 2023, 04:54:01 PM
Post by: Dave on December 26, 2023, 04:56:54 PM
We were linked with Summerville in the summer, just not in the kind of way that makes you think there might be something to it.
Is this genuine interest or just speculation?
I need to know, don't leave me this way.
Will he cope with the step up to a big city club, when he’s a small town boy?
It's not for me, it's For A Friend.
All great tunes , but please stop 😳😃
Tell me why?
Post by: Clampy on December 26, 2023, 05:17:33 PM
We were linked with Summerville in the summer, just not in the kind of way that makes you think there might be something to it.
Is this genuine interest or just speculation?
I need to know, don't leave me this way.
Will he cope with the step up to a big city club, when he’s a small town boy?
It's not for me, it's For A Friend.
All great tunes , but please stop 😳😃
If you don't like it, run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run away.
Post by: Risso on December 26, 2023, 05:22:34 PM
Post by: curiousorange on December 26, 2023, 05:24:39 PM
We were linked with Summerville in the summer, just not in the kind of way that makes you think there might be something to it.
Is this genuine interest or just speculation?
I need to know, don't leave me this way.
Will he cope with the step up to a big city club, when he’s a small town boy?
It's not for me, it's For A Friend.
All great tunes , but please stop 😳😃
If you don't like it, run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run away.
Tricky. Comment te dire adieu.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 26, 2023, 05:29:20 PM
All great tunes , but please stop 😳😃
Tell me why?
When the puns start getting repeated, it's usually time to stop.
'Crysencio Summerville'.
Tell me why?
Post by: Risso on December 26, 2023, 05:30:37 PM
All great tunes , but please stop 😳😃
Tell me why?
When the puns start getting repeated, it's usually time to stop.'Crysencio Summerville'.
Tell me why?
It ain’t necessarily so.
Post by: Steve67 on December 26, 2023, 10:03:44 PM
Post by: Risso on December 26, 2023, 10:10:19 PM
Post by: LukeJames on December 26, 2023, 10:10:49 PM
Post by: Monty on December 26, 2023, 10:12:54 PM
We need a big January. A proper alternative/back up to Watkins, a right back, and an alternative to Diaby/Zaniolo because those two aren't earning their corn at the moment.
Think we need an alternative to Tielemans tbh, so those two can fight it out with Bailey (and, dare I say it, Watkins...) for the front spots. At least Diaby had that start but he looked like I would've had I been sent on tonight. At least Zaniolo had a go.
But we miss Tielemans and Kamara so much in that team. God bless the Donk and all, but he's leek and potato when we need a vichyssoise in there.
Post by: Risso on December 26, 2023, 10:14:13 PM
Post by: Monty on December 26, 2023, 10:17:05 PM
Post by: IFWaters on December 26, 2023, 10:20:31 PM
It's not true is it when they say footballs gone all middle class?We need a big January. A proper alternative/back up to Watkins, a right back, and an alternative to Diaby/Zaniolo because those two aren't earning their corn at the moment.
Think we need an alternative to Tielemans tbh, so those two can fight it out with Bailey (and, dare I say it, Watkins...) for the front spots. At least Diaby had that start but he looked like I would've had I been sent on tonight. At least Zaniolo had a go.
But we miss Tielemans and Kamara so much in that team. God bless the Donk and all, but he's leek and potato when we need a vichyssoise in there.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 26, 2023, 10:33:16 PM
It's so weird how poor he's been, even during much of our winning run. We know he can be good - where is he?
The PL is just quick and so I’m assuming when he’s been scouted by opposing analysts they have simply closed down a spaces in front of him. Also we don’t get the ball to him quickly enough to take advantage of space that does exist. Always recall how fast Barry used to get the ball to Ash. That split second is so key at this level. Diaby will come back into this as he learns and improves and we get better as a club to help him. And he looks low on confidence too which isn’t helping.
Post by: Risso on December 26, 2023, 10:47:19 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 26, 2023, 10:51:20 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 26, 2023, 10:53:57 PM
We need a big January. A proper alternative/back up to Watkins, a right back, and an alternative to Diaby/Zaniolo because those two aren't earning their corn at the moment.
Think we need an alternative to Tielemans tbh, so those two can fight it out with Bailey (and, dare I say it, Watkins...) for the front spots. At least Diaby had that start but he looked like I would've had I been sent on tonight. At least Zaniolo had a go.
But we miss Tielemans and Kamara so much in that team. God bless the Donk and all, but he's leek and potato when we need a vichyssoise in there.
It's not true is it when they say footballs gone all middle class?
You won't be complaining when you have the 'Italian style' guinea fowl in the Upper Holte (just like a Mamma used to make).
Post by: Dave on December 26, 2023, 10:55:09 PM
God bless the Donk and all, but he's leek and potato when we need a vichyssoise in there.
Apologies if I'm not focusing on the main issue here, but isn't vichyssoise literally a leek and potato that you've just stuck a hand-blender through for 30 seconds?
Post by: Monty on December 26, 2023, 10:56:33 PM
God bless the Donk and all, but he's leek and potato when we need a vichyssoise in there.
Apologies if I'm not focusing on the main issue here, but isn't vichyssoise literally a leek and potato that you've just stuck a hand-blender through for 30 seconds?
That was the gag, trying to make it a lumpy-vs-smoothness thing, seem instead to have started a class war.
Post by: Risso on December 26, 2023, 10:57:50 PM
God bless the Donk and all, but he's leek and potato when we need a vichyssoise in there.
Apologies if I'm not focusing on the main issue here, but isn't vichyssoise literally a leek and potato that you've just stuck a hand-blender through for 30 seconds?
Bit of cream as well. Not sure if that makes much of a difference to the point you're making.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 26, 2023, 11:00:19 PM
God bless the Donk and all, but he's leek and potato when we need a vichyssoise in there.
Apologies if I'm not focusing on the main issue here, but isn't vichyssoise literally a leek and potato that you've just stuck a hand-blender through for 30 seconds?
A leek and potato person wouldn't have kowtowed to the Nazis, or have I missed the point as well?
Post by: Dave on December 26, 2023, 11:00:37 PM
God bless the Donk and all, but he's leek and potato when we need a vichyssoise in there.
Apologies if I'm not focusing on the main issue here, but isn't vichyssoise literally a leek and potato that you've just stuck a hand-blender through for 30 seconds?
Bit of cream as well. Not sure if that makes much of a difference to the point you're making.
Don't think I've ever made a soup that I've not stuck a load of cream in to make it nicer.
Ruined a lot of decent pho over the years.
Post by: Dave on December 26, 2023, 11:02:08 PM
God bless the Donk and all, but he's leek and potato when we need a vichyssoise in there.
Apologies if I'm not focusing on the main issue here, but isn't vichyssoise literally a leek and potato that you've just stuck a hand-blender through for 30 seconds?
A leek and potato person wouldn't have kowtowed to the Nazis, or have I missed the point as well?
Hmm, that Plaid Cymru lot have always had that "enemy's enemy is my friend" feeling about them.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 26, 2023, 11:13:46 PM
A leek and potato person wouldn't have kowtowed to the Nazis, or have I missed the point as well?
Hmm, that Plaid Cymru lot have always had that "enemy's enemy is my friend" feeling about them.
As long you left the potato bit alone I'm fine with it, but Simon Page won't be happy with you.
Post by: Drummond on December 26, 2023, 11:45:51 PM
God bless the Donk and all, but he's leek and potato when we need a vichyssoise in there.
Apologies if I'm not focusing on the main issue here, but isn't vichyssoise literally a leek and potato that you've just stuck a hand-blender through for 30 seconds?
A leek and potato person wouldn't have kowtowed to the Nazis, or have I missed the point as well?
Just don't mention the war, I did once and got into some right bother.... 😉
Post by: AV84 on December 26, 2023, 11:48:34 PM
No idea who we should be bringing in, but a few weeks ago I would have said just a RB would do for me. Now I'm thinking at least 3 players, at a minimum.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 26, 2023, 11:51:32 PM
Cash has his critics and he's dipped in recent times but he has plenty of top level experience now and his energy is also a real asset in certain games.
Tonight certainly showed we need Konsa centrally for period where we're under the cosh so we need a squad situation where he rarely is needed at RB unless it's just seeing out games in last 10 minutes.
Post by: Risso on December 26, 2023, 11:52:10 PM
These last few results aren't the end of the world, and we have a much lighter schedule coming up in January, but with Spurs possibly being level with us in a couple of days, and Man City with 2 games in hand, I think we really need a good transfer window. We're still as in the title race as we ever were, but realistically Top 4 should be our goal, and a couple more poor performances and that could start to slip away.
No idea who we should be bringing in, but a few weeks ago I would have said just a RB would do for me. Now I'm thinking at least 3 players, at a minimum.
I agree, three minimum. Emery's only brought in Torres, Moreno, Tielemans and Diaby. Tielemans is injured, Diaby is woefully out of form, with Moreno still nowhere near his best after a long lay off. Other than that he's playing with the three previous managers' players, and as well as he's got most of them playing, Torres has shown the positive effect of having somebody really schooled in the sort of football Emery wants to play.
Post by: LeonW on December 27, 2023, 03:10:30 AM
Post by: ozzjim on December 27, 2023, 07:06:31 AM
Right back is getting to Martin O'neill like levels. We have one that is just not the level we need, and Konsa is a proper good centre half, so having him there weakens us. Carlos trying to play the high line without Pau organising him has nearly hurt us in Europe a few times, last night it hurt us in the league simply because it gave them encouragement.
Finally, for me we need a wide option that is about skill and quality, hate to say it but a 2020 ish Grealish in our front line at the moment we walk top 4. Someone who had the quality to put their foot on it and find the final ball, or often more importantly, the ball before it.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 27, 2023, 07:42:33 AM
I literally do not understand why a rb was not signed in the summer. Konsa has done his best there but he isnt a rb at all.
Also thinking duran would make a good backup for watkins has proven to be a bad gamble.He isnt ready yet
Post by: algy on December 27, 2023, 08:43:04 AM
:)God bless the Donk and all, but he's leek and potato when we need a vichyssoise in there.
Apologies if I'm not focusing on the main issue here, but isn't vichyssoise literally a leek and potato that you've just stuck a hand-blender through for 30 seconds?
A leek and potato person wouldn't have kowtowed to the Nazis, or have I missed the point as well?
Post by: Drummond on December 27, 2023, 09:28:05 AM
An upgrade on Dendoncker.
A striker.
An upgrade on Olsen.
In that order.
Chambers, Dendoncker, Traore, Hause to go.
Post by: Holy Trinity on December 27, 2023, 09:58:37 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 27, 2023, 10:42:54 AM
having somebody really schooled in the sort of football Emery wants to play.
For this reason I can see Juan Foyth being targeted. He was a CB at Spurs but Emery converted him to RB and this is now considered his main position (according to Transfermarkt). There’s the obvious Emery connection, plus he’s played with Martinez and Torres. Probably speaks good English too from his time at Spurs.
It just seems too logical which probably means he’d be a disaster.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 27, 2023, 11:49:24 AM
Post by: Steve67 on December 27, 2023, 11:55:07 AM
Post by: AV84 on December 27, 2023, 11:57:53 AM
having somebody really schooled in the sort of football Emery wants to play.
For this reason I can see Juan Foyth being targeted. He was a CB at Spurs but Emery converted him to RB and this is now considered his main position (according to Transfermarkt). There’s the obvious Emery connection, plus he’s played with Martinez and Torres. Probably speaks good English too from his time at Spurs.
It just seems too logical which probably means he’d be a disaster.
This makes sense but I can't help wondering whether we need more players who can play the Emery way immediately, or if we need a plan B for when playing the Emery way doesn't work?
Last night just felt like a poor 2nd half from us coupled with missing some important players, but the Sheffield Utd game was one where we really struggled to create anything because they sat so deep. We're going to face that a lot in the 2nd half of the season, so do we persist as we have been, or do we look to bring someone in who can play a different way?
I'd love to see us play Zaniolo up front and just lob balls into the box for 90 minutes (in a game that didn’t matter, if such a thing exists). Not at all what Emery is building his team to do, but it might have worked yesterday, especially with a flapper like Onana in goal.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 27, 2023, 11:58:44 AM
What are Timo Werner’s qualities? Terrible at Chelsea but then, throwing too many players in at the same time is not a good idea! I’m not even sure where he plays? Loan or permanent?
He's not a finisher. That said play him on the left where Ramsey/Zaniolo played this season and he makes good runs and is vastly experienced at CL and international level.
Did Chelsea actually sell him then and now Leipzig want to loan him out?
Post by: ROBBO on December 27, 2023, 12:00:36 PM
Post by: Dave on December 27, 2023, 12:03:29 PM
What are Timo Werner’s qualities? Terrible at Chelsea but then, throwing too many players in at the same time is not a good idea! I’m not even sure where he plays? Loan or permanent?
He's not a finisher. That said play him on the left where Ramsey/Zaniolo played this season and he makes good runs and is vastly experienced at CL and international level.
Did Chelsea actually sell him then and now Leipzig want to loan him out?
Yup. I guess he'd be keen to force his way back into the Germany squad for the home Euros and he's just not playing at the moment given how well Simons, Openda and Sesko are doing.
Given his best form was under Nagelsmann at Leipzig and how weak Germany look in attack you'd think a bit of form somewhere and he might be back. I'd be quite happy with it, but I'd have thought going somewhere where he'll play all the time would suit him better.
Post by: AV84 on December 27, 2023, 12:05:03 PM
What are Timo Werner’s qualities? Terrible at Chelsea but then, throwing too many players in at the same time is not a good idea!
So many players over the last few years have been terrible at Chelsea and then been fine/good/better/great at other clubs. Joao Felix seems to be having a decent season at Barca after "flopping" at Chelsea last year, for example.
That's not to say we should or shouldn't sign Werner, but being bad at Chelsea isn't a metric I'd measure most players by.
Post by: OCD on December 27, 2023, 12:06:53 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 27, 2023, 12:15:08 PM
Given his best form was under Nagelsmann at Leipzig and how weak Germany look in attack you'd think a bit of form somewhere and he might be back. I'd be quite happy with it, but I'd have thought going somewhere where he'll play all the time would suit him better.
He could play a fair bit here. We have some great midfielders but at the moment I'd say McGinn, Luiz and Kamara are the only ones guaranteed to play (when available). For various reasons I'd say Ramsey, Diaby, and Bailey are players whose spots are up for grabs. Bailey more so in away games, Emery even specified his home form is great in that Athletic article.
So if Werner wants to play regularly, and backs himself, he could get a lot of football with us.
Post by: OCD on December 27, 2023, 12:22:17 PM
Post by: Rigadon on December 27, 2023, 12:30:06 PM
Timo Werner rumoured to be on his way in
You’re usually more in the know than the average poster on transfers. Do you know if wer looking to be strengthening the 1st 11 or signing back ups?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 27, 2023, 12:48:47 PM
Timo Werner rumoured to be on his way in
You’re usually more in the know than the average poster on transfers. Do you know if wer looking to be strengthening the 1st 11 or signing back ups?
Genuinely not heard much recently. Very tight lipped at Villa these days
Believe they will be looking to upgrade the 11 and in turn the squad. However could defo be some short term options if it strengthens us for the second half run in.
For me priority needs to be
Right back
CM
Forward
Chambers, Traore, Dendonker out - Duran loan move
Post by: SamTheMouse on December 27, 2023, 12:52:21 PM
But his movement always seemed intelligent to me and he looked technically decent. I think he'd be a good fit for Emery's style of play.
Post by: Rigadon on December 27, 2023, 01:49:10 PM
Timo Werner rumoured to be on his way in
You’re usually more in the know than the average poster on transfers. Do you know if wer looking to be strengthening the 1st 11 or signing back ups?
Genuinely not heard much recently. Very tight lipped at Villa these days
Believe they will be looking to upgrade the 11 and in turn the squad. However could defo be some short term options if it strengthens us for the second half run in.
For me priority needs to be
Right back
CM
Forward
Chambers, Traore, Dendonker out - Duran loan move
Probably a good thing that it's kept on the down low. Think your priorities are right aside from CM where we really should be able to cope.
The Werner thing feels a bit Heskey to me. Who would be a modern day Arshavin? Whoever that is, we should buy him.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 27, 2023, 02:02:45 PM
Seems a similar player to Watkins with good movement and running off the ball (but finishing could improve) so offers a genuine alternative when needed.
Post by: Clampy on December 27, 2023, 02:06:00 PM
Post by: KevinGage on December 27, 2023, 02:18:09 PM
But then so was Ollie's for a fair while before Emery's arrival.
I'm not mad keen on rehabilitating players who have struggled elsewhere. How many other top 4/5 aspiring teams go that route. But if Emery, Monchi and co see a worthwhile project there then fair e muff.
Post by: AV84 on December 27, 2023, 02:23:20 PM
I'm not mad keen on rehabilitating players who have struggled elsewhere. How many other top 4/5 aspiring teams go that route. But if Emery, Monchi and co see a worthwhile project there then fair e muff.
Is it a case of Werner struggling or other players just playing really well at the moment? I'm sure I saw something about him and the manager too. It may not be a case of having to rehabilitate him, just him needing a move. I know goalkeepers are different but someone could sign Ramsdale in January and it's not a case of him needing rehabilitation, he just needs to play.
Post by: Gareth on December 27, 2023, 02:31:29 PM
Werner was mentioned a couple of weeks ago I think. We could do with an extra option up front though.
Guilty as charged…when I mentioned him a few weeks ago it was the idea that he can do that pressing like Ollie…hopefully he’d see it as redemption in this country like Unai
Post by: oldhill_avfc on December 27, 2023, 02:34:57 PM
If Werner works out then I imagine we’ll be offloading at least 3 out of Bailey, Buendia, Diaby, Zaniola and Dhuran over the next couple of windows allowing us some flex on ffp to strengthen elsewhere.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 27, 2023, 02:54:56 PM
Werner on loan seems a good deal to me, especially if the terms of a permanent deal are agreed before Emery triples his value. Leipzig must be keen to off-load him so he should be cheap.
Seems a similar player to Watkins with good movement and running off the ball (but finishing could improve) so offers a genuine alternative when needed.
He's a much better footballer than Watkins but his finishing is no where near at least when he was at Chelsea. Like Watkins he likes to cut in from the left and shoot but I think Unai will use him as an attacking midfielder or deep lying striker, linking midfield with the attackers.
Probably a useful player to have around but not the alternative to Watkins we need.
Post by: jwarry on December 27, 2023, 02:58:54 PM
Post by: jwarry on December 27, 2023, 03:08:14 PM
His finishing was mostly arse biscuits at Chelsea.
But then so was Ollie's for a fair while before Emery's arrival.
I'm not mad keen on rehabilitating players who have struggled elsewhere. How many other top 4/5 aspiring teams go that route. But if Emery, Monchi and co see a worthwhile project there then fair e muff.
Yes his goal record wasn’t great at Chelsea, but look at the rest
(https://i.ibb.co/VDxq7Jd/IMG-6854.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VDxq7Jd)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 27, 2023, 03:17:28 PM
Werner is exactly the sort of signing we need this window. No team is going to sell their best strikers now and if they did there are loads of teams who will fork out millions. Werner is off the radar a bit now and if you look back at Unai’s career he has a history of reigniting careers. Bring it on I say
He’s also quite versatile in terms of how he’s played across the front three.
Post by: Villan82 on December 27, 2023, 03:22:04 PM
Our left hand side of Ramsey and Moreno really had us flying last season. It's a real shame they have both been injured and struggling to return to form. If Emery thinks Timo Werner is the answer to that question then I back him.
Post by: Monty on December 27, 2023, 03:24:55 PM
I accept that we need to worry about an injury to Watkins, but we've already seen what happens with an injury to Tielemans (and indeed to Buendia), and it doesn't look good.
Nothing against Werner, who regardless of his spell at Chelsea I actually rather like.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 27, 2023, 04:26:52 PM
Timo Werner rumoured to be on his way in
You’re usually more in the know than the average poster on transfers. Do you know if wer looking to be strengthening the 1st 11 or signing back ups?
Genuinely not heard much recently. Very tight lipped at Villa these days
Believe they will be looking to upgrade the 11 and in turn the squad. However could defo be some short term options if it strengthens us for the second half run in.
For me priority needs to be
Right back
CM
Forward
Chambers, Traore, Dendonker out - Duran loan move
Good stuff Vinnie. I can remember you saying we wanted Tielemans when Slippy was still here so we'll have club targets and it's a case of timing needs to be right and UE to give the o.k the player will fit into his system which Werner should be able to.
No surprise on the outs either. I imagine Nuno will fancy taking Donk to Forest given he played regularly under him at Wolves. Chambers needs to move on for his own good and you'd think Luton or Sheffield United would be happy taking him on loan.
Soft spot for Bert but six months left on his deal and just loads of injuries so no real point keeping him around. Hause is probably another we need to pay up if possible.
Post by: Bad English on December 27, 2023, 04:37:53 PM
"Hearing murmurs that... Fairly sure of... deal almost done but am told there are obstacles....
Not a dig by the way. Just an observation.
Post by: Border villan on December 27, 2023, 04:41:23 PM
God bless the Donk and all, but he's leek and potato when we need a vichyssoise in there.
Apologies if I'm not focusing on the main issue here, but isn't vichyssoise literally a leek and potato that you've just stuck a hand-blender through for 30 seconds?
Is “hand blender” a euphemism?
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 27, 2023, 05:13:47 PM
Post by: Ian. on December 27, 2023, 05:41:51 PM
I think Werner would be a decent loan signing, he works the defence well and does offer a threat, just needs to get his shooting boots on. I think as Monty mentioned he’s quick which is good but we don’t really play to those strengths, see Diaby’s struggles.
We did play to Diably’s strength at the start of the season.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 27, 2023, 05:50:58 PM
I think Werner would be a decent loan signing, he works the defence well and does offer a threat, just needs to get his shooting boots on. I think as Monty mentioned he’s quick which is good but we don’t really play to those strengths, see Diaby’s struggles.
We did play to Diably’s strength at the start of the season.
We certainly need to start utilising his talents more than we currently are.
Post by: Ian. on December 27, 2023, 05:57:39 PM
I think Werner would be a decent loan signing, he works the defence well and does offer a threat, just needs to get his shooting boots on. I think as Monty mentioned he’s quick which is good but we don’t really play to those strengths, see Diaby’s struggles.
We did play to Diably’s strength at the start of the season.
We certainly need to start utilising his talents more than we currently are.
We do, he’s a cracking player and it’s a mystery why his form has dipped. I’m not sure if it’s him or the way we play. He fitted in perfectly at the beginning of the season and worked well with Cash, whose form has also dipped.
Post by: curiousorange on December 27, 2023, 06:01:31 PM
Post by: LeonW on December 27, 2023, 06:01:39 PM
A loan move wouldn’t make sense to me either. It can take a bit for players to get up to speed with Emery’s system. Would seem strange to take an out of form player for 6 months and adjust him to our set up.
However, this is what Emery and Monchi have been masters at in the past; flipping distressed or under valued assets. So I’m going to put my faith in them until they give me reason not to.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 27, 2023, 06:23:45 PM
Can't recall who said it but it was probably on Twitter, but as Diaby's strength is his pace, he needs that early ball to allow him to blast past defenders. Playing it into his feet and expecting him to run directly at them is setting him up for failure.
I’ve been saying that for ages. I used the example of how Barry used to get the ball to Young so he had room to attack. We sometimes ate too predictable in our set up. Along with that opponents have planned against his abilities. That’s something he will need to develop and learn from. He’s still a young player. Lots of time to improve.
Post by: eamonn on December 27, 2023, 06:34:42 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 27, 2023, 06:46:01 PM
If Diaby can only be a useful asset when given space to outrun opposing defenders, is he good enough for what we need? As our record signing north of 50m, I'd expect him to have more than one trick.
He clearly does. He’s just out of form, his pace is one of the assets he posesses.
Post by: achilles on December 27, 2023, 06:47:46 PM
Post by: Monty on December 27, 2023, 06:59:11 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 27, 2023, 08:54:11 PM
Old school but I’d prefer anyone we buy to have a sell on value.
Post by: AV84 on December 27, 2023, 09:04:18 PM
I had Werner down as about 25 years old. At nearly 28 he might be too old considering the time and money needed.
Old school but I’d prefer anyone we buy to have a sell on value.
Most of the rumours I've seen say loan deal. Shouldn't cost us too much, and he'd presumably be motivated to get back in Germany squad and put himself in the shop window for 5 months.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 27, 2023, 11:01:19 PM
I had Werner down as about 25 years old. At nearly 28 he might be too old considering the time and money needed.
Old school but I’d prefer anyone we buy to have a sell on value.
Bit small time, worrying about how much we can sell them for before we've even bought them.
With that mentality, we wouldn't have signed Harry Kane if we'd had the chance.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 27, 2023, 11:25:46 PM
I had Werner down as about 25 years old. At nearly 28 he might be too old considering the time and money needed.
Old school but I’d prefer anyone we buy to have a sell on value.
Bit small time, worrying about how much we can sell them for before we've even bought them.
With that mentality, we wouldn't have signed Harry Kane if we'd had the chance.
McGrath was okay I suppose, but he had little resale value.
Post by: LeonW on December 27, 2023, 11:28:38 PM
I had Werner down as about 25 years old. At nearly 28 he might be too old considering the time and money needed.
Old school but I’d prefer anyone we buy to have a sell on value.
Bit small time, worrying about how much we can sell them for before we've even bought them.
With that mentality, we wouldn't have signed Harry Kane if we'd had the chance.
Not for where we are right now with FFP. We should be prudent of that. If the transfer works out and there is a sale we could get our money back or more. If it doesn’t, someone is far more likely to take a chance on purchasing a younger player.
If a Harry Kane is available, wants to come and we can afford him, that’s a very different scenario to signing a Werner.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 28, 2023, 11:17:44 AM
https://twitter.com/AVFC_espanol/status/1740298922306994211
Post by: PeterWithe on December 28, 2023, 11:24:05 AM
This suggests we're signing Lenglet permenantly (and he'll be our highest paid player). I've been out of the loop over Christmas, but what the fuck?!
https://twitter.com/AVFC_espanol/status/1740298922306994211
Cant be accurate, he was offered to Spurs for £12m in the summer, when he had more contract left.
Post by: Dave on December 28, 2023, 11:25:51 AM
This suggests we're signing Lenglet permenantly (and he'll be our highest paid player). I've been out of the loop over Christmas, but what the fuck?!
https://twitter.com/AVFC_espanol/status/1740298922306994211
Cant be accurate, he was offered to Spurs for £12m in the summer, when he had more contract left.
Also, if it were 'oficial', it seems a strange place to announce it first.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 28, 2023, 11:29:32 AM
This suggests we're signing Lenglet permenantly (and he'll be our highest paid player). I've been out of the loop over Christmas, but what the fuck?!
https://twitter.com/AVFC_espanol/status/1740298922306994211
Cant be accurate, he was offered to Spurs for £12m in the summer, when he had more contract left.
Also, if it were 'oficial', it seems a strange place to announce it first.
I assume that's an aggregator account that picks up stories from other sites and translates them. I've never seen it announce total bollocks before.
Post by: AV84 on December 28, 2023, 11:34:37 AM
Post by: Dave on December 28, 2023, 11:41:29 AM
We might sign him permanently but there's no way we'd pay that for him. I hope.
If it were true (and I think it would be odd if it were), you could imagine that as being "transfer fee plus value of four-year contract".
But even then it would seem a little on the high-side.
Post by: Exeter 77 on December 28, 2023, 11:45:41 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 28, 2023, 11:53:54 AM
This suggests we're signing Lenglet permenantly (and he'll be our highest paid player). I've been out of the loop over Christmas, but what the fuck?!
https://twitter.com/AVFC_espanol/status/1740298922306994211
That makes absolutely no sense from any perspective...
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 28, 2023, 12:09:58 PM
Post by: Smithy on December 28, 2023, 12:31:59 PM
Unless his loan can be cancelled without our consent, I don't see him going anywhere in January. He'll be here till the summer, and then I guess the club will decide if Tyrone can come back as one of the four centre-backs next season, or if we need someone else. He MIGHT be a permanent signing then, I guess.
Post by: Goldie.7 on December 28, 2023, 03:09:30 PM
Unless his loan can be cancelled without our consent, I don't see him going anywhere in January. He'll be here till the summer.
It could be he's signing permanently to free up a loan space. We currently can't sign anyone else on loan, which is a big problem in the January window.
Makes sense tbh.
Post by: AV84 on December 28, 2023, 03:20:48 PM
If there's any truth in it I'd hope it's for a reasonable price, one we might be able to make something back on in a future window, if necessary.
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 28, 2023, 03:50:53 PM
I wonder if it's a case of Barca pushing the recall thing simply because they want to sell him, so we've been put in a position where we have to buy him now or he's gone and we have to try to replace him in January, which wasn't in the plans.
If there's any truth in it I'd hope it's for a reasonable price, one we might be able to make something back on in a future window, if necessary.
If thats the case, then send him back & force ourselves to create a plan to look for a CB who has more pace than a 377 year old oak tree.
If it's relatively reasonably priced, left footed, comfortable on the ball, with a bit of pace, back up, then Lloyd Kelly, right off the top of my head is an option. He's 6'3" & can also cover LB if needed too...
Post by: Steve67 on December 28, 2023, 04:00:09 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 28, 2023, 04:03:54 PM
I wonder if it's a case of Barca pushing the recall thing simply because they want to sell him, so we've been put in a position where we have to buy him now or he's gone and we have to try to replace him in January, which wasn't in the plans.
If there's any truth in it I'd hope it's for a reasonable price, one we might be able to make something back on in a future window, if necessary.
If thats the case, then send him back & force ourselves to create a plan to look for a CB who has more pace than a 377 year old oak tree.
If it's relatively reasonably priced, left footed, comfortable on the ball, with a bit of pace, back up, then Lloyd Kelly, right off the top of my head is an option. He's 6'3" & can also cover LB if needed too...
I see what you're saying but the fact Lenglet has been here 5 or 6 months already, and is familiar with the way we play, would make me lean toward just signing him permanently (for the right price) rather than having to bring in someone completely new and wait for them to get up to speed with everything. Given the choice I'd obviously prefer he just stays with us on loan as originally agreed.
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 28, 2023, 05:09:57 PM
I certainly wouldn't want to take the easier option in the short term, & purchase Lenglet because Barca want to recall him, if it means that we suffer for it in the long term.
And I think we would suffer by having Lenglet as our long term backup.
As you can tell, I don't particularly rate Lenglet. 😁
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 28, 2023, 05:23:02 PM
If it's relatively reasonably priced, left footed, comfortable on the ball, with a bit of pace, back up, then Lloyd Kelly, right off the top of my head is an option. He's 6'3" & can also cover LB if needed too...
From what I understand he hasn't been the same player since he came back from injury. I fear Tyrone may have similar problems though hopefully not. Seems pointless signing Lenglet if Ty is back for the new season, we'd then have three left sided centre halves fighting for one place.
Post by: AV84 on December 28, 2023, 06:00:28 PM
Seems pointless signing Lenglet if Ty is back for the new season, we'd then have three left sided centre halves fighting for one place.
If the players were happy with that set up, I think having 3 for every position would be great. All competing to be the main man, then the other 2 competing to be the back up, meaning everyone's motivated and pushing each other. Of course the reality would probably be someone never playing, getting paid loads, and just sulking.
Post by: AV82EC on December 28, 2023, 06:31:30 PM
Seems pointless signing Lenglet if Ty is back for the new season, we'd then have three left sided centre halves fighting for one place.
If the players were happy with that set up, I think having 3 for every position would be great. All competing to be the main man, then the other 2 competing to be the back up, meaning everyone's motivated and pushing each other. Of course the reality would probably be someone never playing, getting paid loads, and just sulking.
We don’t have 33 squad places.
Post by: KevinGage on December 28, 2023, 06:47:09 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 28, 2023, 06:58:14 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 28, 2023, 07:05:05 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 28, 2023, 07:05:15 PM
Seems pointless signing Lenglet if Ty is back for the new season, we'd then have three left sided centre halves fighting for one place.
If the players were happy with that set up, I think having 3 for every position would be great. All competing to be the main man, then the other 2 competing to be the back up, meaning everyone's motivated and pushing each other. Of course the reality would probably be someone never playing, getting paid loads, and just sulking.
We don’t have 33 squad places.
Don't need 33 players to have 3 options for each position.
Post by: Mister E on December 28, 2023, 09:31:33 PM
Fabio Silva heading out on loan to Ibrox. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67835711that's about his level.
Post by: Exeter 77 on December 28, 2023, 09:55:45 PM
https://twitter.com/D_pico_/status/1740347486064259088?s=19
Post by: tomd2103 on December 28, 2023, 10:44:12 PM
That said, there is a big question mark regarding what he will be like after playing so little football and I imagine he'd want to go somewhere where he'll be a starter, which is something we probably couldn't offer.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 28, 2023, 11:15:43 PM
Listening to the radio driving home today, it seems that Kalvin Phillips will be on the move next month. It was saying that he will likely be going to Newcastle on loan, which is a shame as I think he is exactly the kind of central midfielder we need. I just think he'd give us that physical edge in there that we are currently lacking, especially away from home.
That said, there is a big question mark regarding what he will be like after playing so little football and I imagine he'd want to go somewhere where he'll be a starter, which is something we probably couldn't offer.
He's going to have to do a two week refresher course in the laws of the game, he's been away from the pitch for so long.
Post by: AV84 on December 28, 2023, 11:22:57 PM
That said, there is a big question mark regarding what he will be like after playing so little football and I imagine he'd want to go somewhere where he'll be a starter, which is something we probably couldn't offer.
I still think there's an open spot in our midfield at the moment, so for the right player we probably could offer regular football. Phillips' complete lack of playing time would rule him out of that though, I think. Would he get regular time at Newcastle if everyone was fit? I'm sure few could afford his wages, or to buy him outright, but he may be better taking a step down, so to speak, and going to a team where he'd get 90 minutes every week with the sole aim being to get match fitness, and a move somewhere else in the summer.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 28, 2023, 11:29:22 PM
That said, there is a big question mark regarding what he will be like after playing so little football and I imagine he'd want to go somewhere where he'll be a starter, which is something we probably couldn't offer.
I still think there's an open spot in our midfield at the moment, so for the right player we probably could offer regular football. Phillips' complete lack of playing time would rule him out of that though, I think. Would he get regular time at Newcastle if everyone was fit?
I reckon my cat could dislodge whichever of the Longstaffs it is that gets regular games for them.
Post by: ldavfc4eva on December 29, 2023, 08:26:18 AM
Wouldn’t have minded him in the summer on a free as a back up to Ollie, would still have him if it was a nominal fee on an 18 month deal.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 29, 2023, 10:29:00 AM
Listening to the radio driving home today, it seems that Kalvin Phillips will be on the move next month. It was saying that he will likely be going to Newcastle on loan, which is a shame as I think he is exactly the kind of central midfielder we need. I just think he'd give us that physical edge in there that we are currently lacking, especially away from home.
That said, there is a big question mark regarding what he will be like after playing so little football and I imagine he'd want to go somewhere where he'll be a starter, which is something we probably couldn't offer.
Apparently the reason Pep won't give him any minutes is he moves the ball too slowly. I guess that's what happens when you end up only playing for Southgate.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on December 29, 2023, 11:18:57 AM
Listening to the radio driving home today, it seems that Kalvin Phillips will be on the move next month. It was saying that he will likely be going to Newcastle on loan, which is a shame as I think he is exactly the kind of central midfielder we need. I just think he'd give us that physical edge in there that we are currently lacking, especially away from home.
That said, there is a big question mark regarding what he will be like after playing so little football and I imagine he'd want to go somewhere where he'll be a starter, which is something we probably couldn't offer.
Apparently the reason Pep won't give him any minutes is he moves the ball too slowly. I guess that's what happens when you end up only playing for Southgate.
And in fairness, Rodri is quite good.
Post by: eamonn on December 29, 2023, 11:26:05 AM
Reading the BBC gossip column this morning, Roberto Firmino is to move from Al-Ahly allegedly.
Wouldn’t have minded him in the summer on a free as a back up to Ollie, would still have him if it was a nominal fee on an 18 month deal.
Petty perhaps, but anyone that took the Saudi petrodollar and after 6 months is moaning that life is shit there with no atmosphere at games or whatever, I'd rather they were "stuck" there.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 29, 2023, 01:08:13 PM
Listening to the radio driving home today, it seems that Kalvin Phillips will be on the move next month. It was saying that he will likely be going to Newcastle on loan, which is a shame as I think he is exactly the kind of central midfielder we need. I just think he'd give us that physical edge in there that we are currently lacking, especially away from home.
That said, there is a big question mark regarding what he will be like after playing so little football and I imagine he'd want to go somewhere where he'll be a starter, which is something we probably couldn't offer.
He's going to have to do a two week refresher course in the laws of the game, he's been away from the pitch for so long.
I suppose there is always the chance that he won't be able to recover any kind of form having played so little football for an extended period of time. It seems like a bad dream now, but that was certainly the case with Danny Drinkwater when he was with us,
Post by: LeeB on December 29, 2023, 01:09:57 PM
Post by: jwarry on December 29, 2023, 02:28:58 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on December 29, 2023, 02:35:37 PM
Listening to the radio driving home today, it seems that Kalvin Phillips will be on the move next month. It was saying that he will likely be going to Newcastle on loan, which is a shame as I think he is exactly the kind of central midfielder we need. I just think he'd give us that physical edge in there that we are currently lacking, especially away from home.
That said, there is a big question mark regarding what he will be like after playing so little football and I imagine he'd want to go somewhere where he'll be a starter, which is something we probably couldn't offer.
Apparently the reason Pep won't give him any minutes is he moves the ball too slowly. I guess that's what happens when you end up only playing for Southgate.
And in fairness, Rodri is quite good.
Although, when Rodri was out against Villa, Pep still wouldn't play Phillips
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2023, 02:38:28 PM
I think there is a physical problem with Philips.Listening to the radio driving home today, it seems that Kalvin Phillips will be on the move next month. It was saying that he will likely be going to Newcastle on loan, which is a shame as I think he is exactly the kind of central midfielder we need. I just think he'd give us that physical edge in there that we are currently lacking, especially away from home.
That said, there is a big question mark regarding what he will be like after playing so little football and I imagine he'd want to go somewhere where he'll be a starter, which is something we probably couldn't offer.
Apparently the reason Pep won't give him any minutes is he moves the ball too slowly. I guess that's what happens when you end up only playing for Southgate.
And in fairness, Rodri is quite good.
Although, when Rodri was out against Villa, Pep still wouldn't play Phillips
He was having issues for Leeds before leaving.
Post by: AV84 on December 29, 2023, 02:43:58 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 29, 2023, 03:13:39 PM
Listening to the radio driving home today, it seems that Kalvin Phillips will be on the move next month. It was saying that he will likely be going to Newcastle on loan, which is a shame as I think he is exactly the kind of central midfielder we need. I just think he'd give us that physical edge in there that we are currently lacking, especially away from home.
That said, there is a big question mark regarding what he will be like after playing so little football and I imagine he'd want to go somewhere where he'll be a starter, which is something we probably couldn't offer.
Apparently the reason Pep won't give him any minutes is he moves the ball too slowly. I guess that's what happens when you end up only playing for Southgate.
And in fairness, Rodri is quite good.
Although, when Rodri was out against Villa, Pep still wouldn't play Phillips
Indeed. Guardiola prefers to play centre halves in midfield rather than Phillips.
Post by: Steve67 on December 29, 2023, 03:44:15 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 29, 2023, 03:46:12 PM
Emery likes a cast off though and would turn Phillips back into a decent player. Better value elsewhere I suspect but would not be against signing him.
I wouldn't be against it if we also signed like 3 other players who have actually been playing football these last 2 years and can have immediate impact. Otherwise let him get match fit somewhere else and look at him again in the summer.
Post by: charlatan on December 29, 2023, 04:03:42 PM
Did anyone watch that one game they let him play at the end of the CL group stages?and if not how can we be sure it really happened?
Post by: AV84 on December 29, 2023, 04:06:26 PM
Did anyone watch that one game they let him play at the end of the CL group stages?and if not how can we be sure it really happened?
They let him score a pity penalty, so I know it happened. Just wondering if anyone could make an assessment on his fitness, if nothing else.
Post by: john e on December 29, 2023, 04:17:02 PM
But he took the wrong fork in the road career wise going to Man City
As for his form I suppose he’s played more for England than he has for city, I don’t think he’s done a lot wrong there but hasn’t pulled up any trees, but then he is surrounded by a myriad of other central midfield defenders and it’s just another brick in the Southgate wall
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on December 29, 2023, 06:16:11 PM
Let’s just go for Rodri instead.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 30, 2023, 07:04:55 PM
An option that can bring a bit of energy into midfield in the closing stages would be welcome, along with a versatile forward option.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 30, 2023, 07:14:39 PM
Post by: GarTomas on December 30, 2023, 07:29:17 PM
Post by: KevinGage on December 30, 2023, 07:42:50 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 30, 2023, 07:45:14 PM
Post by: LukeJames on December 30, 2023, 07:48:37 PM
Post by: Dave on December 30, 2023, 07:59:10 PM
I like Cash but if they want to do what Chelsea do best and give us stupid money then I'm all for it, replace with Frimpong.
Same. If they want to give us £40m for Cash and we spend £60m on Frimpong or someone, then fine.
Unless they've decided that Reece James is long-term screwed and they don't like the Bad Taste guy though it seems somewhat unlikely.
Post by: brontebilly on December 30, 2023, 08:01:41 PM
Can't see us selling Cash unless it's for stupid money AND we've got 2 new RBs lined up for January.
Don't think Emery has ever been sold on Matty Cash. If we got a decent offer and a replacement was lined up I think we would sell.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 30, 2023, 08:03:01 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 30, 2023, 08:08:32 PM
Can't see us selling Cash unless it's for stupid money AND we've got 2 new RBs lined up for January.
Don't think Emery has ever been sold on Matty Cash. If we got a decent offer and a replacement was lined up I think we would sell.
We'd still be in the same position we're in now though, with one RB in the squad. Emery keeps playing Konsa there but he's not a RB. I'd be delighted to get an upgrade on Cash, but I think we should be trying to have 2 options there. Unless Emery is actually happy with Konsa out there in whatever system he's trying to set us up for.
Post by: LeeB on December 30, 2023, 09:13:02 PM
Todd, if Wan-Bissaka cost £50 million 4 years ago, regular Polish international Matty Cash is worth at least £60 million.
And if its Chelsea asking may as well round it up to £100m.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 30, 2023, 09:16:06 PM
Think he'll be here until the summer.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 30, 2023, 09:48:05 PM
Can't see us selling Cash unless it's for stupid money AND we've got 2 new RBs lined up for January.
Don't think Emery has ever been sold on Matty Cash. If we got a decent offer and a replacement was lined up I think we would sell.
We'd still be in the same position we're in now though, with one RB in the squad. Emery keeps playing Konsa there but he's not a RB. I'd be delighted to get an upgrade on Cash, but I think we should be trying to have 2 options there. Unless Emery is actually happy with Konsa out there in whatever system he's trying to set us up for.
Agree with this. Definitely think we need two options at RB and move Konsa back to CB.
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 30, 2023, 10:17:15 PM
I like Cash but if they want to do what Chelsea do best and give us stupid money then I'm all for it, replace with Frimpong.
Agreed...
Post by: DrGonzo on December 30, 2023, 11:41:24 PM
Post by: ROBBO on December 30, 2023, 11:52:15 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 31, 2023, 12:07:51 AM
(For the record, I like Cash and would be happy to keep him alongside a new RB. I also doubt there's anything to this.)
Post by: TonyD on December 31, 2023, 12:16:16 AM
He is going to be a superstar.
£80m . Just do it.
😎
And a RB 😀
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 31, 2023, 12:21:31 AM
I spat tea across the wife when I read the Cash rumour this morning. Biggest load of ass I've seen in years. Although maybe Emery has just been hiding Chambers' light behind t'bushel?Your wife has a big ass?
Post by: AV84 on December 31, 2023, 12:24:49 AM
We should put a bid in to buy Garnacho.
He is going to be a superstar.
£80m . Just do it.
😎
And a RB 😀
Isn't he also one of the biggest selling jersey names globally? That's got to appeal to Heck and co.
Post by: TonyD on December 31, 2023, 12:43:42 AM
Not surprisingly so. He is going to be off the scale.We should put a bid in to buy Garnacho.
He is going to be a superstar.
£80m . Just do it.
😎
And a RB 😀
Isn't he also one of the biggest selling jersey names globally? That's got to appeal to Heck and co.
So come on Villa sign him next week 😜
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 31, 2023, 12:58:58 AM
unlikely.Not surprisingly so. He is going to be off the scale.We should put a bid in to buy Garnacho.
He is going to be a superstar.
£80m . Just do it.
😎
And a RB 😀
Isn't he also one of the biggest selling jersey names globally? That's got to appeal to Heck and co.
So come on Villa sign him next week 😜
Post by: AV84 on December 31, 2023, 01:05:37 AM
Post by: TonyD on December 31, 2023, 01:20:28 AM
Aside from anything else, Garnacho looks like one of the few Man U players that actually gives a shit lately. I doubt he'd jump ship.I know.
Just wishful thinking
Post by: Baldy on December 31, 2023, 10:18:32 AM
We could strap him in the corner of our changing room and all our players could 'kick him in the balls' before and after the match.
Important we keep control on the pitch and vent any anger off it.
Discipline will be key. Money well spent.
Post by: LeeB on December 31, 2023, 10:20:54 AM
We should buy Neal Maupay.
We could strap him in the corner of our changing room and all our players could 'kick him in the balls' before and after the match.
Important we keep control on the pitch and vent any anger off it.
Discipline will be key. Money well spent.
I'd support this as long as there's a fans ballot where we ordinary folk can win the chance to make our dreams come true too.
Post by: thick_mike on December 31, 2023, 10:37:02 AM
We should buy Neal Maupay.
We could strap him in the corner of our changing room and all our players could 'kick him in the balls' before and after the match.
Important we keep control on the pitch and vent any anger off it.
Discipline will be key. Money well spent.
A very late contender for post of the year.
This genuinely made me cry laughing.
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 31, 2023, 10:54:21 AM
We should put a bid in to buy Garnacho.
He is going to be a superstar.
£80m . Just do it.
😎
And a RB 😀
Garnacho reminds me of Macheda.
Overrated cos he plays for ManU.
Plus, I hate his face.
And his eyebrows...
Post by: thick_mike on December 31, 2023, 11:08:52 AM
We should put a bid in to buy Garnacho.
He is going to be a superstar.
£80m . Just do it.
😎
And a RB 😀
Garnacho reminds me of Macheda.
Overrated cos he plays for ManU.
Plus, I hate his face.
And his eyebrows...
He looks like he should be in an Inspiral Carpets tribute band.
Post by: Monty on December 31, 2023, 11:13:25 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 31, 2023, 01:19:35 PM
Post by: The Man With A Stick on December 31, 2023, 03:44:23 PM
We should buy Neal Maupay.
We could strap him in the corner of our changing room and all our players could 'kick him in the balls' before and after the match.
Important we keep control on the pitch and vent any anger off it.
Discipline will be key. Money well spent.
I'd support this as long as there's a fans ballot where we ordinary folk can win the chance to make our dreams come true too.
It sounds much better than Score In The Holte or whatever that shite HT game's called. Charge fans £5 for a ticket and then 5 get picked out at random every game, I guarantee it would make more than The Lower Grounds and Terrace View combined.
Post by: AV84 on December 31, 2023, 03:56:50 PM
Talk of Marschall being wanted on loan by MK Dons. Their manager had him on loan at Gateshead twice. So might be something in that.
Post by: john e on December 31, 2023, 04:08:33 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 31, 2023, 04:13:36 PM
Didn't he help create quite a few goals at Chelsea?
I remember him working hard, pressing from the front, etc.
Doing a lot of Watkins sorts of things.
And his pace is always a danger.
If he is available on the cheap, or a loan with a purchase option, just in case he goes off like a fire cracker under Emerys tutelage, he might be a decent backup for Watkins...
Post by: nick harper on December 31, 2023, 04:19:54 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on December 31, 2023, 04:22:01 PM
It sounds much better than Score In The Holte or whatever that shite HT game's called. Charge fans £5 for a ticket and then 5 get picked out at random every game, I guarantee it would make more than The Lower Grounds and Terrace View combined.
I think one of them hit a target yesterday. Not sure what they won
Post by: AV84 on December 31, 2023, 04:22:57 PM
Is that Timo Werner rumour still ongoing?
I've seen him linked with a few other clubs too. I wouldn't be surprised to see him move in January, possibly its his own team trying to engineer something. Where he ends up is the only question.
Post by: Baldy on December 31, 2023, 04:26:37 PM
Walker-Peters has always impressed me. It was surprising he didn’t stay in the Premier and might be a decent option at RB. Certainly good going forward.
Watched him playing for Southampton yesterday and was thinking exactly the same thing.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 31, 2023, 04:50:37 PM
It sounds much better than Score In The Holte or whatever that shite HT game's called. Charge fans £5 for a ticket and then 5 get picked out at random every game, I guarantee it would make more than The Lower Grounds and Terrace View combined.
I think one of them hit a target yesterday. Not sure what they won
A voucher to spend in the club shop. I don't think an amount was specified, probably because they were taken by surprise at someone winning at that game for the first ever time.
Post by: algy on December 31, 2023, 05:36:27 PM
I might've said this already, but one season Tranmere had a half time competition where you had to hit the crossbar. It was relatively successful, and for the next season they got a giant inflatable letter 'R' with anyone who got the ball though the circle part of the letter winning a prize. They put up a competition pre season to name the game. I wrote in saying something like 'The aim of the competition should be made clear in the title, so the competition should be called "R's Hole"'. Dunno why but they picked a different name. Was a bit disappointed.
It sounds much better than Score In The Holte or whatever that shite HT game's called. Charge fans £5 for a ticket and then 5 get picked out at random every game, I guarantee it would make more than The Lower Grounds and Terrace View combined.
I think one of them hit a target yesterday. Not sure what they won
A voucher to spend in the club shop. I don't think an amount was specified, probably because they were taken by surprise at someone winning at that game for the first ever time.
Post by: Risso on December 31, 2023, 05:47:42 PM
Sheffield Wednesday used to have a competition where they'd pick somebody out of the crowd to take some penalties against their keeper at half time. When we won there in the late 90s, one old bloke came on to the pitch in some black slip on shoes, and absolutey mullered all of his penalties into the top corner, Ivan Toney style.
Post by: Richard E on December 31, 2023, 06:01:07 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 31, 2023, 07:39:44 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on December 31, 2023, 08:15:56 PM
Post by: Steve67 on December 31, 2023, 08:19:39 PM
Is that Timo Werner rumour still ongoing?
I've seen him linked with a few other clubs too. I wouldn't be surprised to see him move in January, possibly its his own team trying to engineer something. Where he ends up is the only question.
Loan deal, or permanent?
Post by: AV84 on December 31, 2023, 08:31:31 PM
Is that Timo Werner rumour still ongoing?
I've seen him linked with a few other clubs too. I wouldn't be surprised to see him move in January, possibly its his own team trying to engineer something. Where he ends up is the only question.
Loan deal, or permanent?
It's all just rumours but most of them, whether linking him with us or not, say loan deal with a view to a permanent move in the summer.
As someone else pointed out, he'll be motivated to get into the Germany squad for the Euros, so it could be a good move. Whether we keep him long term or not is another matter, but I wouldn't say no to a loan.
Post by: john2710 on December 31, 2023, 08:56:52 PM
I can see a right back & maybe a replacement for Dendonker. We could do with moving on Traore & Chambers.
Post by: AV84 on December 31, 2023, 09:12:02 PM
I think we're only allowed 2 loans at any one time, so to get Werner on loan we'd have to sign or send back either Zaniolo or Lenglet. The injuries to Ming's & Buendia have really tied our hands on loans.
Oh you're right, 4 loans in a season, but only 2 at a time. So no Werner on loan then. (Unless you buy into the idea that Zaniolo will be packed off back to Turkey in a few days)
Post by: DrGonzo on December 31, 2023, 09:12:31 PM
Post by: wolfman999 on December 31, 2023, 10:54:11 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 01, 2024, 01:18:31 AM
Still not signed anyone yet, what the FUCK is Monchi doing?
Post by: LeonW on January 01, 2024, 01:25:54 AM
WINDOW OPEN
Still not signed anyone yet, what the FUCK is Monchi doing?
Get him out!
Post by: VillaTim on January 01, 2024, 01:45:55 AM
ROBBIE KEANE SPOTTED AT BELFRY
Post by: AV82EC on January 01, 2024, 01:51:58 AM
(We might as well get these out of the way early doors)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 01, 2024, 02:01:04 AM
ROBBIE KEANE SPOTTED AT BELFRY
He was sent by Mossad to give Martyn a slap, he'll be at the Coulsdon Manor Hotel tomorrow.
Post by: CT Villan on January 01, 2024, 03:00:17 AM
Post by: LeonW on January 01, 2024, 05:03:12 AM
I’ve heard on good authority that Keane was having a meal with Benni McCarthy.
(We might as well get these out of the way early doors)
Juninho popped in for a drink. James Beattie briefly said hello.
Post by: olaftab on January 01, 2024, 05:38:06 AM
WINDOW OPENSky said it was SLAMMED open.
Post by: TelfordVilla on January 01, 2024, 06:39:53 AM
WINDOW OPENVery much this. What are we paying these guys for?
Still not signed anyone yet, what the FUCK is Monchi doing?
Post by: nigel on January 01, 2024, 09:08:51 AM
I think we're only allowed 2 loans at any one time, so to get Werner on loan we'd have to sign or send back either Zaniolo or Lenglet. The injuries to Ming's & Buendia have really tied our hands on loans.
Oh you're right, 4 loans in a season, but only 2 at a time. So no Werner on loan then. (Unless you buy into the idea that Zaniolo will be packed off back to Turkey in a few days)
Unless Lenglet is made permanent, or Barça recall him to sell elsewhere (according to some rumours)
Post by: steamer on January 01, 2024, 09:14:06 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 01, 2024, 09:24:48 AM
WINDOW OPEN
Still not signed anyone yet, what the FUCK is Monchi doing?
We are now 1.24% through the window with no sign of any activity. It's a disgrace.
Post by: LeeB on January 01, 2024, 09:45:25 AM
WHAT DO THEY DO AT BODYMOOR HEALTH ALL WEEK, EH? SIT AROUND WATCHING BLOODY VIDEOS?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 01, 2024, 10:07:38 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 01, 2024, 10:09:58 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 01, 2024, 10:13:07 AM
I guess this is something clubs keep fairly secret.
Post by: Monty on January 01, 2024, 10:15:32 AM
a) Doug is better than ESR, and more important to his team, why is he casually mentioned like this
b) why would we ever, ever do this
c) whoever wrote this needs to get replaced by AI immediately
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 01, 2024, 10:32:27 AM
The answer to all of our dreams.
When Shane McGowan died I went on a bit of a Pogues binge, which culminated in me blubbing uncontrollably at Nick Cave doing Rainy Night in Soho at his funeral. That song contains the incomparable lyric, "you're the measure of my dreams."
Jermaine, I took shelter from the shower and I stepped into your arms.
Post by: LeeB on January 01, 2024, 10:44:53 AM
BBC's rundown of possibly-moving players features Emil Smith-Rowe, 'with Douglas Luiz moving the other way'.
a) Doug is better than ESR, and more important to his team, why is he casually mentioned like this
b) why would we ever, ever do this
c) whoever wrote this needs to get replaced by AI immediately
The BBC seem to have a few 'reporters' that spend some of their day posting shite like this and the rest of it on Arsenal forums.
Post by: FrankyH on January 01, 2024, 10:46:42 AM
The answer to all of our dreams.
When Shane McGowan died I went on a bit of a Pogues binge, which culminated in me blubbing uncontrollably at Nick Cave doing Rainy Night in Soho at his funeral. That song contains the incomparable lyric, "you're the measure of my dreams."
Jermaine, I took shelter from the shower and I stepped into your arms.
On a rainy night in Aston, Jermaine shots whistled past the Bartons Arms.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 01, 2024, 10:52:26 AM
Jermaine Beckford.
Is he ‘at it’ again?
Post by: AV84 on January 01, 2024, 10:52:59 AM
BBC's rundown of possibly-moving players features Emil Smith-Rowe, 'with Douglas Luiz moving the other way'.
a) Doug is better than ESR, and more important to his team, why is he casually mentioned like this
b) why would we ever, ever do this
c) whoever wrote this needs to get replaced by AI immediately
The BBC seem to have a few 'reporters' that spend some of their day posting shite like this and the rest of it on Arsenal forums.
I think it's funny that most pundits, and even Arsenal fans, will say their problems are at the front and at the back. They need a striker, or they need to tighten up their defence. So obviously the most persistent rumour is them signing another midfielder.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 01, 2024, 11:01:46 AM
WINDOW OPEN
Still not signed anyone yet, what the FUCK is Monchi doing?
We are now 1.24% through the window with no sign of any activity. It's a disgrace.
Seems impatient, but should auld acquaintance be forgot, and the days of auld Lange signs?
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 01, 2024, 11:08:31 AM
They do need a midfielder as well, they played Havertz there yesterday. Rice and Odegard and Luiz if they could get him would be formidable. But I don’t see him leaving this window.BBC's rundown of possibly-moving players features Emil Smith-Rowe, 'with Douglas Luiz moving the other way'.
a) Doug is better than ESR, and more important to his team, why is he casually mentioned like this
b) why would we ever, ever do this
c) whoever wrote this needs to get replaced by AI immediately
The BBC seem to have a few 'reporters' that spend some of their day posting shite like this and the rest of it on Arsenal forums.
I think it's funny that most pundits, and even Arsenal fans, will say their problems are at the front and at the back. They need a striker, or they need to tighten up their defence. So obviously the most persistent rumour is them signing another midfielder.
Another criticism is Arteta has no plan B, when getting the ball out to the wingers isn’t working.
They definitely need a striker desperately.
Post by: ROBBO on January 01, 2024, 11:22:27 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on January 01, 2024, 11:27:07 AM
It's irritating in the extreme that they think Luiz would willingly leave Villa to go to a team below them on the ladder.
They can think what they want.
No way, he's going to them to play under that thunderbird fucktwat
Post by: OCD on January 01, 2024, 11:28:40 AM
Post by: AV84 on January 01, 2024, 11:30:34 AM
I'd say that they don't think much of the average reader to think they we would sell Luiz. But having seen how simple some of the Arsenal fans are, that must be who they're aiming stories like that at.
Or they're aiming it at Villa fans and banking on their outraged clicks. We're something approaching clickbait worthy now, you know. Sign of our success.
Post by: Dave on January 01, 2024, 11:34:36 AM
They do need a midfielder as well, they played Havertz there yesterday.
Playing a midfielder in midfield? That'll never catch on.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 01, 2024, 11:36:27 AM
I am not sure where he plays, but as part of a midfield 3 ?They do need a midfielder as well, they played Havertz there yesterday.
Playing a midfielder in midfield? That'll never catch on.
Not for me.
Post by: Dave on January 01, 2024, 11:45:01 AM
I am not sure where he plays, but as part of a midfield 3 ?They do need a midfielder as well, they played Havertz there yesterday.
Playing a midfielder in midfield? That'll never catch on.
Not for me.
The performances for Leverkusen which made Chelsea spend £70m on him were basically him playing like Lampard, in front of two other midfielders and behind a centre-forward (Kevin Volland), getting into the box late.
Chelsea tried to then use him as a striker, and much as if you stuck Lampard up front, it didn't really work.
Probably helped having Diaby and Bailey either side of him in his Leverkusen seasons as well though.
Post by: OCD on January 01, 2024, 11:48:36 AM
Post by: paul_e on January 01, 2024, 11:52:55 AM
I thought Diaby replaced Bailey?
Nope, Diaby joined the year before Havertz left and bailey left another year later.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 01, 2024, 11:53:50 AM
Interesting, I have never been convinced by him, not quite a forward not quite a midfielder. I don’t think where Arsenal are playing him suits him either.I am not sure where he plays, but as part of a midfield 3 ?They do need a midfielder as well, they played Havertz there yesterday.
Playing a midfielder in midfield? That'll never catch on.
Not for me.
The performances for Leverkusen which made Chelsea spend £70m on him were basically him playing like Lampard, in front of two other midfielders and behind a centre-forward (Kevin Volland), getting into the box late.
Chelsea tried to then use him as a striker, and much as if you stuck Lampard up front, it didn't really work.
Probably helped having Diaby and Bailey either side of him in his Leverkusen seasons as well though.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 01, 2024, 11:54:59 AM
I am not sure where he plays, but as part of a midfield 3 ?They do need a midfielder as well, they played Havertz there yesterday.
Playing a midfielder in midfield? That'll never catch on.
Not for me.
From what I could see when we played them, they go in to a 4-1-4-1 shape when they are defending, but then Zinchenko steps into central midfield when they have the ball and it becomes a 3-2-4-1 formation. They keep two attackers out wide, which gives Odegaard and Havertz space in the central area.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 01, 2024, 12:12:06 PM
I'd say that they don't think much of the average reader to think they we would sell Luiz. But having seen how simple some of the Arsenal fans are, that must be who they're aiming stories like that at.
Or they're aiming it at Villa fans and banking on their outraged clicks. We're something approaching clickbait worthy now, you know. Sign of our success.
If we were Small Heathens, we might see that as a sign that we "have arrived"...
On a separate note, we have signed a new contract with & let 19 year old Scottish defender Kerr Smith leave on a loan to St. Johnstone.
At 19, I would imagine that going back to Scotland means that he has not impressed enough to go out on loan to a decent level, but just done enough to convince us that he still might grow enough to make some money from, in a year or twos time, for that FFP farce...
Post by: Ian. on January 01, 2024, 12:21:28 PM
They do need a midfielder as well, they played Havertz there yesterday.
Playing a midfielder in midfield? That'll never catch on.
Ha ha!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 01, 2024, 12:35:10 PM
On a separate note, we have signed a new contract with & let 19 year old Scottish defender Kerr Smith leave on a loan to St. Johnstone.
At 19, I would imagine that going back to Scotland means that he has not impressed enough to go out on loan to a decent level, but just done enough to convince us that he still might grow enough to make some money from, in a year or twos time, for that FFP farce...
Was thinking it had gone quiet on him so cheers for the update. Will be interesting to see how he fares at the Scottish Premiership level. He's still young and will be playing in Perth, so he'll be close to his family on the east coast of Scotland.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 01, 2024, 12:38:11 PM
On a separate note, we have signed a new contract with & let 19 year old Scottish defender Kerr Smith leave on a loan to St. Johnstone.
At 19, I would imagine that going back to Scotland means that he has not impressed enough to go out on loan to a decent level, but just done enough to convince us that he still might grow enough to make some money from, in a year or twos time, for that FFP farce...
Was thinking it had gone quiet on him so cheers for the update. Will be interesting to see how he fares at the Scottish Premiership level. He's still young and will be playing in Perth, so he'll be close to his family on the east coast of Scotland.
Yeah, fingers crossed he shows a lot of his ability up there & we can look at further development next summer.
Im hoping that something similar happens with Josh Feeney, albeit, sending him to the Championship instead of Scotland.
Post by: Steve67 on January 01, 2024, 12:50:46 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 01, 2024, 12:52:40 PM
Yannick Eduardo, right back from RB Leipzig, John Percy linking us apparently.
Isn't he a striker?
Post by: PeterWithe on January 01, 2024, 12:53:33 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 01, 2024, 12:55:07 PM
I really want us to start looking at "wonderkids"...
Post by: LeeB on January 01, 2024, 01:02:49 PM
Post by: Risso on January 01, 2024, 02:23:28 PM
Yannick Eduardo, right back from RB Leipzig, John Percy linking us apparently.
He's a left footed forward! Hasn't played a first team game, so another one for 3-4 years down the ine.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 01, 2024, 02:27:56 PM
Yannick Eduardo, right back from RB Leipzig, John Percy linking us apparently.
He's a left footed forward! Hasn't played a first team game, so another one for 3-4 years down the ine.
Is it John Percy who is quite on the money ?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 01, 2024, 02:29:26 PM
Is it John Percy who is quite on the money ?
Yes, normally very reliable.
Post by: OCD on January 01, 2024, 02:34:11 PM
Post by: Risso on January 01, 2024, 02:39:21 PM
"What do they need? Villa will target a new forward and right-back, with perhaps another attacking option as well. Unai Emery wants competition for Matty Cash and more firepower to assist Ollie Watkins. Villa could also prioritise a new goalkeeper as an injury to Emiliano Martinez would leave them short.
Who could they sign? They have some scope for spending yet their hopes of signing a long-term Emery target, Nico Williams, are over after the winger signed a new contract with Athletic Bilbao. A surprise target could be RB Leipzig attacker Yannick Eduardo.
Who could they sell? There is growing interest in Jhon Duran, the forward, amid alleged friction behind the scenes with Emery. Villa will also consider the departures [either permanently or on loan] of Bertrand Traore, Calum Chambers and Tim Iroegbunam."
John Percy
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 01, 2024, 02:48:53 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 01, 2024, 03:03:53 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 01, 2024, 04:05:16 PM
I’m hoping Tim is purely a potential loan.
I will be pissed with a capital P if we let Iroegbunam go permanently, even if they do add a "buyback clause"...
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 01, 2024, 04:24:24 PM
I’m hoping Tim is purely a potential loan.
I will be pissed with a capital P if we let Iroegbunam go permanently, even if they do add a "buyback clause"...
Me too, unless we replace him with Paulinha (sp?).
Post by: Goldenballs on January 01, 2024, 05:02:13 PM
I’m hoping Tim is purely a potential loan.
I will be pissed with a capital P if we let Iroegbunam go permanently, even if they do add a "buyback clause"...
Me too, unless we replace him with Paulinha (sp?).
Paulinha is class. Always a solid bet for a booking though.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 01, 2024, 05:17:52 PM
I’m hoping Tim is purely a potential loan.
I will be pissed with a capital P if we let Iroegbunam go permanently, even if they do add a "buyback clause"...
Yeah, it’d be a shame to lose a player who was an academy product.
Even if it was someone else’s academy.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 01, 2024, 05:57:45 PM
Would take Smith-Rowe is available too, but not with Luiz moving the other way.
Would also take Phillips who would be good competition for Kamara if we can move Dendoncker on.
Need a right back and a striker but no idea who.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 01, 2024, 06:01:09 PM
I’m hoping Tim is purely a potential loan.
I will be pissed with a capital P if we let Iroegbunam go permanently, even if they do add a "buyback clause"...
Me too, unless we replace him with Paulinha (sp?).
Paulinha is class. Always a solid bet for a booking though.
João Maria Lobo Alves Palhares Costa Palhinha Gonçalves or Palhinha if you prefer, Percy. Sporting thought they'd pulled Fulham's trousers down getting £20m for him. The PL obviously suits him to perfection.
Post by: LeeB on January 01, 2024, 06:12:07 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 01, 2024, 06:23:52 PM
Raphina looks to be available at Barcelona. Played well in the Prem when at Leeds, might be a decent option on the wing to compete with Bailey and Diaby.Allways a bit suspicious of players that have a long term injury then spend months on the bench.
Would take Smith-Rowe is available too, but not with Luiz moving the other way.
Would also take Phillips who would be good competition for Kamara if we can move Dendoncker on.
Need a right back and a striker but no idea who.
So a big no to Phillips or Smith Rowe, they had their chance.
Post by: garyellis on January 01, 2024, 07:17:52 PM
You have to consider more than one window now when thinking about wiggle room.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 01, 2024, 07:22:22 PM
I’m hoping Tim is purely a potential loan.
I will be pissed with a capital P if we let Iroegbunam go permanently, even if they do add a "buyback clause"...
Yes but I think we will have to get used to promising academy players leaving for FFP reasons.
Post by: Dave on January 01, 2024, 07:47:45 PM
It’s sinking in now that with FFP Newcastle can’t just splash the cash no matter how wealthy their owners are.
This came up in the summer, and it highlights how important it is to have an economically active youth policy.
I get why people are sad to see the likes of Chukwuemeka, Archer, Ramsey and Philogene leave, but I reckon that the money from those four is probably more than Newcastle have brought in from sales of former academy players in their history. And if it weren't for Andy Carroll warping that figure, they'd barely have a sale of note since the 80s.
And then Grealish on top.
That bit of book-balancing is the reason why we're probably fine to strengthen with a player or two if we want, while they might struggle a bit.
Post by: OCD on January 01, 2024, 07:54:50 PM
Post by: Smithy on January 01, 2024, 08:20:57 PM
It’s sinking in now that with FFP Newcastle can’t just splash the cash no matter how wealthy their owners are.
This came up in the summer, and it highlights how important it is to have an economically active youth policy.
I get why people are sad to see the likes of Chukwuemeka, Archer, Ramsey and Philogene leave, but I reckon that the money from those four is probably more than Newcastle have brought in from sales of former academy players in their history. And if it weren't for Andy Carroll warping that figure, they'd barely have a sale of note since the 80s.
And then Grealish on top.
That bit of book-balancing is the reason why we're probably fine to strengthen with a player or two if we want, while they might struggle a bit.
The bit people tend to forget is that Newcastle didn't invest heavily under the previous owner, with Mike Ashley putting bugger all in, so while FFP is a rolling three-year period, the first year or so of that period they were WELL in the black, whereas we've been skirting around our limit since coming up (barring the Grealish summer).
I don't know what Newcastle's current position is, but I think they still have a bit of a Ashley period helping them from a FFP perspective.
It's only now, that we can really see how much financial doping Chelsea and Man City actually did before FFP even became a thing.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 01, 2024, 08:43:36 PM
It’s sinking in now that with FFP Newcastle can’t just splash the cash no matter how wealthy their owners are.
This came up in the summer, and it highlights how important it is to have an economically active youth policy.
I get why people are sad to see the likes of Chukwuemeka, Archer, Ramsey and Philogene leave, but I reckon that the money from those four is probably more than Newcastle have brought in from sales of former academy players in their history. And if it weren't for Andy Carroll warping that figure, they'd barely have a sale of note since the 80s.
And then Grealish on top.
That bit of book-balancing is the reason why we're probably fine to strengthen with a player or two if we want, while they might struggle a bit.
I do wonder how interested an ownership group that has a bottomless pit of cash will remain if they cannot just spend it how they want. They don't have those restrictions in other sports they have invested. You just have to look recent sums being paid out in golf for that. I imagine they bought Newcastle thinking they could just do what Man City had done, PSG or Chelsea in the past and buy themselves titles. Might not be so easy anymore.
Post by: LeonW on January 01, 2024, 09:26:12 PM
Interesting, I have never been convinced by him, not quite a forward not quite a midfielder. I don’t think where Arsenal are playing him suits him either.I am not sure where he plays, but as part of a midfield 3 ?They do need a midfielder as well, they played Havertz there yesterday.
Playing a midfielder in midfield? That'll never catch on.
Not for me.
The performances for Leverkusen which made Chelsea spend £70m on him were basically him playing like Lampard, in front of two other midfielders and behind a centre-forward (Kevin Volland), getting into the box late.
Chelsea tried to then use him as a striker, and much as if you stuck Lampard up front, it didn't really work.
Probably helped having Diaby and Bailey either side of him in his Leverkusen seasons as well though.
Don’t rate him myself. Thought it was very much a vanity purchase from Arsenal
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 01, 2024, 10:44:47 PM
It’s sinking in now that with FFP Newcastle can’t just splash the cash no matter how wealthy their owners are.
This came up in the summer, and it highlights how important it is to have an economically active youth policy.
I get why people are sad to see the likes of Chukwuemeka, Archer, Ramsey and Philogene leave, but I reckon that the money from those four is probably more than Newcastle have brought in from sales of former academy players in their history. And if it weren't for Andy Carroll warping that figure, they'd barely have a sale of note since the 80s.
And then Grealish on top.
That bit of book-balancing is the reason why we're probably fine to strengthen with a player or two if we want, while they might struggle a bit.
Absolutely this.
It is vital and has made a truly massive difference for us.
Post by: Clampy on January 02, 2024, 06:57:21 PM
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2024, 07:01:58 PM
Being linked with some chap called Cyril Ngonge.
His dad played against us for Watford in 1999.
Post by: KevinGage on January 02, 2024, 07:14:00 PM
Might tie in with Marschall going back out on loan and Olsen departing in the summer.
Post by: Gareth on January 02, 2024, 07:18:51 PM
Targeting a young goalkeeper this window or next, according to Emery.
Might tie in with Marcshall going back out on loan and Olsen departing in the summer.
The young lad Sam Tickle at Wigan is a highly rated and is apparently very good with the ball at his feet too…would make sense though I’d suspect a young Spanish keeper might have been on Monchi radar for longer
Post by: paul_e on January 02, 2024, 07:28:32 PM
Post by: Clampy on January 02, 2024, 07:33:00 PM
Targeting a young goalkeeper this window or next, according to Emery.
Might tie in with Marcshall going back out on loan and Olsen departing in the summer.
The young lad Sam Tickle at Wigan is a highly rated and is apparently very good with the ball at his feet too…would make sense though I’d suspect a young Spanish keeper might have been on Monchi radar for longer
He would have really long arms too so that would be good.
Post by: Gareth on January 02, 2024, 07:35:16 PM
Targeting a young goalkeeper this window or next, according to Emery.
Might tie in with Marcshall going back out on loan and Olsen departing in the summer.
The young lad Sam Tickle at Wigan is a highly rated and is apparently very good with the ball at his feet too…would make sense though I’d suspect a young Spanish keeper might have been on Monchi radar for longer
He would have really long arms too so that would be good.
I’ll lay it up you just knock in Mr Clampy :-)
Post by: OCD on January 02, 2024, 07:41:43 PM
Targeting a young goalkeeper this window or next, according to Emery.
Might tie in with Marcshall going back out on loan and Olsen departing in the summer.
The young lad Sam Tickle at Wigan is a highly rated and is apparently very good with the ball at his feet too…would make sense though I’d suspect a young Spanish keeper might have been on Monchi radar for longer
A lot of Monchi's signings for Sevilla were from France.
And presumably selling all your homegrown talents will make Europe competitions more difficult.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 02, 2024, 10:04:32 PM
Post by: Chap on January 02, 2024, 10:38:12 PM
https://www.teamtalk.com/aston-villa/aston-villa-fiorentina-unai-emery-verona-winger-ngonge-transfers
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 02, 2024, 11:12:11 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 02, 2024, 11:17:38 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on January 02, 2024, 11:35:02 PM
Post by: Monty on January 02, 2024, 11:37:38 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 02, 2024, 11:40:14 PM
10m euros or £9m? Going to Fiorentina rather than the Prem? Well I'm not sure which I would choose XD
€10mil is what the article says. Apparently they picked him up on a free last January, so it's all profit, I guess. Maybe he just likes life in Italy, and it's a step up, club wise.
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 02, 2024, 11:42:04 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 02, 2024, 11:42:49 PM
10m euros or £9m? Going to Fiorentina rather than the Prem? Well I'm not sure which I would choose XD
€10mil is what the article says. Apparently they picked him up on a free last January, so it's all profit, I guess. Maybe he just likes life in Italy, and it's a step up, club wise.
According to the pod I referenced above, he’s had chances to move to bigger clubs where he won’t necessarily play, but has knocked them back for clubs where he’d be in the team. So that could be his thinking here.
Post by: LeonW on January 02, 2024, 11:44:15 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 02, 2024, 11:51:38 PM
It's nothing personal, he just really likes cow stomach sandwiches.
Who can blame him, they're delicious. I guess the other reason is minutes. We already have two right sided wingers. Tidy feet though.
Post by: Monty on January 03, 2024, 12:01:52 AM
It's nothing personal, he just really likes cow stomach sandwiches.
Who can blame him, they're delicious. I guess the other reason is minutes. We already have two right sided wingers. Tidy feet though.
They are good but, after a while...I don't know, you feel strange is all I can say.
Post by: Dogtanian on January 03, 2024, 08:35:41 AM
It is being reported in Italy that we have had a bid accepted for Ngonge, according to Tuttomercatoweb.
Ngonge is a bit too N'Zogbia or Nokia N-Gage for me.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 03, 2024, 08:41:25 AM
Have a little look at this
Post by: chrisw1 on January 03, 2024, 08:57:30 AM
They'll have CL money coming through their accounts and any added commercial income. If our second half of the season mirrors our first, that added CL and commercial income added to youth player sales would really boost what we can do.It's the dodgy sponsorship deals and match day income where they'll leave us behind.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 03, 2024, 09:34:22 AM
Post by: Monty on January 03, 2024, 09:36:51 AM
Anybody getting nervous about Ihenacho? On one hand it doesn't seem to fit with the way we have operated in the last 12 months, on the other it makes a sort of distressing sense. If we allow Jhon Duran to leave for a fee in the region of what we paid and can bring him in for the 7-10m that is being mooted...we create extra wiggle room in the FFP budget and end up with a player who isn't prolific but is dependable as back up for Ollie. I'm conflicted.
Literally the first time I've heard anything about him.
Post by: Axl Rose on January 03, 2024, 09:39:46 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 03, 2024, 09:50:07 AM
Buying him stops him scoring against us when that horrible lot come back up, I suppose.
The lad turns into Gerd Muller when he's surrounded by claret and blue shirts so it's worth a shot.
Also, what's Shane Long up to these days?
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 03, 2024, 09:50:22 AM
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2024, 09:51:46 AM
Anybody getting nervous about Ihenacho? On one hand it doesn't seem to fit with the way we have operated in the last 12 months, on the other it makes a sort of distressing sense. If we allow Jhon Duran to leave for a fee in the region of what we paid and can bring him in for the 7-10m that is being mooted...we create extra wiggle room in the FFP budget and end up with a player who isn't prolific but is dependable as back up for Ollie. I'm conflicted.
I think it would be doubtful, he's injured but also away with Nigeria for AFCON.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 03, 2024, 10:22:05 AM
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2024, 10:26:36 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2024, 10:29:22 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2024, 10:30:06 AM
I know, but it surely makes doing a deal difficult, uless you leave it until the end of Jan when they get back.
And then they don't even arrive to start to bed in until February.
Post by: LeeB on January 03, 2024, 10:30:16 AM
Those Ngonge links are a classic case of a rumour started on a not very reliable site and then being picked up - from that site - by other not very realiable sites.
The Duran link to Milan seems similar.
Post by: Dave on January 03, 2024, 10:33:18 AM
I know, but it surely makes doing a deal difficult, uless you leave it until the end of Jan when they get back.
It definitely feels like it would be a bit out of character for us to do that sort of deal. A half-fit player with a history of injuries and flying all our guys out to Ivory Coast for medicals etc, just to bring him in over any of the other strikers out there?
If we'd had an interest in Iheahancho to the extent that we're happy to do all that, you'd think last summer would have been the time we'd have done it rather than risking the first part of the season with just Watkins and Duran. It's not like he's done much since August that means we've suddenly seen something we hadn't seen before.
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2024, 10:37:06 AM
Post by: Lsvilla on January 03, 2024, 10:44:37 AM
Well anyway, I've just sent a text to my mate who's good friends with Iheanacho to ask if there's anything going on, and he said no.Not sure that this quality of information is appropriate for this site.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 03, 2024, 10:50:52 AM
:)Well anyway, I've just sent a text to my mate who's good friends with Iheanacho to ask if there's anything going on, and he said no.Not sure that this quality of information is appropriate for this site.
Post by: Dave on January 03, 2024, 10:57:26 AM
Seemingly for no more substantial reason than his family is apparently friends with Martinez's family. But y'now, there's his name just in case.
Post by: brontebilly on January 03, 2024, 11:28:44 AM
Most of Villa Twitter seems to be getting themselves in a froth about Dybala.
Seemingly for no more substantial reason than his family is apparently friends with Martinez's family. But y'now, there's his name just in case.
Next stop Messi
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 03, 2024, 11:33:19 AM
Most of Villa Twitter seems to be getting themselves in a froth about Dybala.
Seemingly for no more substantial reason than his family is apparently friends with Martinez's family. But y'now, there's his name just in case.
Wasn't he linked before for much the same reason? Then this added fuel to it.
https://football-italia.net/dybalas-partner-sparks-outrage-with-aston-villa-transfer-comment/
Post by: john e on January 03, 2024, 11:36:14 AM
Post by: Dave on January 03, 2024, 11:39:13 AM
Most of Villa Twitter seems to be getting themselves in a froth about Dybala.
Seemingly for no more substantial reason than his family is apparently friends with Martinez's family. But y'now, there's his name just in case.
Wasn't he linked before for much the same reason? Then this added fuel to it.
https://football-italia.net/dybalas-partner-sparks-outrage-with-aston-villa-transfer-comment/
He's also got a clause which just kicked in which means any non-Italian team can sign him for €13m this month. So you'd think that someone would be interested in a punt at that level.
Probably Chelsea, because it's always Chelsea.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 03, 2024, 11:52:52 AM
Is the window actually open now i.e. can people be transferred from one Club to another today
Opened midnight on 1st. Closes 11 pm on 31st Jan unless you are a club in North London in which case an extra 3 weeks is allowed.
Post by: LeeB on January 03, 2024, 12:02:44 PM
Is the window actually open now i.e. can people be transferred from one Club to another today
No it's just slightly ajar, so you can shout at them as they pass by but that's it.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 03, 2024, 12:06:45 PM
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2024, 12:08:03 PM
Is the window actually open now i.e. can people be transferred from one Club to another today
No it's just slightly ajar, so you can shout at them as they pass by but that's it.
All sorts of stuff to do first, like preparing our war chest and locking Luiz in the broom cupboard again.
Post by: AV84 on January 03, 2024, 12:08:15 PM
Well the original source are now saying Villa have a verbal agreement to sign Ngonge and that his agent is set to meet Monchi to discuss personal terms.
This is in line with what Football Italia said yesterday about the clubs having agreed a deal but the player hadn't. Although it does sound more positive than "the player prefers Fiorentina".
Post by: DrGonzo on January 03, 2024, 12:11:14 PM
And if all goes to plan, the winger – who can also operate as a more central attacking midfielder – could arrive in the Midlands in the coming days to undergo medical checks.
Ngonge is now reportedly deciding on that next step but for all intents and purposes, it now seems that a move to Villa Park is on the cards for the former Belgium U19 international."
There's more flesh on the bone now. Also maybe a reason for Duran edging towards the fire exit? Sorry I'm off work with injury and so trawling the internet bored.
Post by: VillaTim on January 03, 2024, 12:14:05 PM
Post by: Lsvilla on January 03, 2024, 12:17:56 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 03, 2024, 12:18:01 PM
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2024, 12:22:52 PM
Man I've never heard of in, hugely promising striker out? That would look like the kind of deal Everton would be looking for to avoid further FFP sanctions to me.
Or to put it another way, a player identified by Monchi and Emery in, somebody signed by Lange, out. In any case, Duran really does need to go on a loan to learn to play 90 minutes every week. His 10 minute blunderbuss impressions aren't going to do him or us much good in the long run.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 03, 2024, 12:24:12 PM
Buying him stops him scoring against us when that horrible lot come back up, I suppose.
The lad turns into Gerd Muller when he's surrounded by claret and blue shirts so it's worth a shot.
Not sure prime Gerd Muller would get in our team at the moment,prime Marco Van Basten might get a few minutes.
So contented i am with our squad at the moment i hadn't really given it any thought until i came on here just, and then i remembered we need a Goalkeeper.
Cyrille Ngonge then, never heard of him until now. Last Cyrille to play for us i'm guessing was Regis?
Post by: LeeB on January 03, 2024, 12:25:34 PM
Anyway, Man Who I've Never Heard Of is only random speculation at present.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 03, 2024, 12:27:37 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 03, 2024, 12:27:43 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on January 03, 2024, 12:34:45 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 03, 2024, 12:37:43 PM
I can't wait until we have a proper option for Watkins on the bench.Man I've never heard of in, hugely promising striker out? That would look like the kind of deal Everton would be looking for to avoid further FFP sanctions to me.
Or to put it another way, a player identified by Monchi and Emery in, somebody signed by Lange, out. In any case, Duran really does need to go on a loan to learn to play 90 minutes every week. His 10 minute blunderbuss impressions aren't going to do him or us much good in the long run.
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2024, 12:42:22 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 03, 2024, 12:45:16 PM
I reckon in the summer we could bag a £75m striker whereas I doubt that’s feasible in the January window.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 03, 2024, 12:46:38 PM
This kid seems more of a Diaby/Bailey type though.
That was my first thought.
Pacy? Check.
Dribbler? Check.
Prefers the RW? Check.
Left footed? Check.
We already have three of these. Four if you count Zaniolo...
Nothing similar for the left side though, other than Ramsey.
Seems odd to stack that attacking right hand side with talent & not balance out the other side.
And up front too...
Post by: Dogtanian on January 03, 2024, 12:49:23 PM
| Pos. | Played | Goals | Assistio |
| SS | 8 | 2 | 2 |
| RW | 6 | 2 | 0 |
| CF | 5 | 1 | 0 |
Across his whole career;
| Pos. | Played | Goals | Assistio |
| RW | 66 | 23 | 7 |
| CF | 35 | 7 | 1 |
| SS | 15 | 4 | 3 |
Post by: olaftab on January 03, 2024, 12:50:06 PM
He effectively won us the last game.And the Palace game.
Post by: olaftab on January 03, 2024, 12:52:21 PM
Ngonge in / Duran out would be a class start to the windowNo. Duran is becoming more and more effective. We don’t want to waste a year of good work by the coaching team.
Post by: Dave on January 03, 2024, 12:52:39 PM
Regarding a striker, would you prefer a back-up to Watkins now, or a really ambitious purchase in the summer?
I reckon in the summer we could bag a £75m striker whereas I doubt that’s feasible in the January window.
The problem is though that given the paucity of strikers at the moment, I still think it's more likely that someone else might end up seeing Watkins as their £80-£100m striker. That's not a "oh no, we always sell our players" point, more a "we're shopping in the market place where we already own one of the attractive assets" point.
Assuming we're not about to spend £130m on Osimhen (and we're not), you're looking at that £50m-£100m striker who could be amazing or could be not-as-good-as-Watkins is.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 03, 2024, 12:58:09 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 03, 2024, 01:00:38 PM
Regarding a striker, would you prefer a back-up to Watkins now, or a really ambitious purchase in the summer?
I reckon in the summer we could bag a £75m striker whereas I doubt that’s feasible in the January window.
The problem is though that given the paucity of strikers at the moment, I still think it's more likely that someone else might end up seeing Watkins as their £80-£100m striker. That's not a "oh no, we always sell our players" point, more a "we're shopping in the market place where we already own one of the attractive assets" point.
Assuming we're not about to spend £130m on Osimhen (and we're not), you're looking at that £50m-£100m striker who could be amazing or could be not-as-good-as-Watkins is.
The other one I guess is Toney, who would cost in the same region as Watkins with no certainty that he'd be an improvement.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 03, 2024, 01:03:49 PM
Azaz to Boro, permanent £2m
I will keep my powder dry until I see that confirmed...
Post by: eamonn on January 03, 2024, 01:08:57 PM
Post by: OCD on January 03, 2024, 01:10:45 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 03, 2024, 01:16:42 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2024, 01:16:49 PM
It's not bad for a player who would probably get lost trying to find Bodymoor Heath.
He was nudging 21 when we signed him from Albion, and has spent that whole time on loan, so you're probably right.
Post by: Dogtanian on January 03, 2024, 01:22:41 PM
https://theathletic.com/5176663/2024/01/03/finn-azaz-middlesbrough-aston-villa-transfers/ (https://theathletic.com/5176663/2024/01/03/finn-azaz-middlesbrough-aston-villa-transfers/)
"Middlesbrough are set to sign Aston Villa midfielder Finn Azaz in a £2.5million deal."
Post by: Dogtanian on January 03, 2024, 01:23:55 PM
Post by: Gareth on January 03, 2024, 01:24:21 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 03, 2024, 01:26:55 PM
2.5m + sell on clause would be decent for a guy who I don’t think has ever played any games for us at any age group?
I agree Gareth. He's possibly a bit too slow for the Premier League but a really good Championship player. If it is 2.5m, it sounds like a good deal all round.
Post by: VillaTim on January 03, 2024, 01:29:26 PM
at what exactlyNgonge in / Duran out would be a class start to the windowNo. Duran is becoming more and more effective. We don’t want to waste a year of good work by the coaching team.
Post by: Rotterdam on January 03, 2024, 01:29:53 PM
Albion let him go and Villa picked him up out of contract. Fact in wages (some of which may have been covered by the loan club and he may have cost around 500-750k over the four years or so.
They done the same with Rico Richards.
Post by: eamonn on January 03, 2024, 01:33:55 PM
In the Athletic now;
https://theathletic.com/5176663/2024/01/03/finn-azaz-middlesbrough-aston-villa-transfers/ (https://theathletic.com/5176663/2024/01/03/finn-azaz-middlesbrough-aston-villa-transfers/)
"Middlesbrough are set to sign Aston Villa midfielder Finn Azaz in a £2.5million deal."
Someone in the comments section says that he is out of contract with us in May so the price makes more sense in that perspective. A clause for an extra £2.5m should Middlesbrough get promoted would have been good though...
Post by: Dogtanian on January 03, 2024, 01:38:36 PM
In the Athletic now;
https://theathletic.com/5176663/2024/01/03/finn-azaz-middlesbrough-aston-villa-transfers/ (https://theathletic.com/5176663/2024/01/03/finn-azaz-middlesbrough-aston-villa-transfers/)
"Middlesbrough are set to sign Aston Villa midfielder Finn Azaz in a £2.5million deal."
Someone in the comments section says that he is out of contract with us in May so the price makes more sense in that perspective. A clause for an extra £2.5m should Middlesbrough get promoted would have been good though...
I thought he signd a new contract before the loan deal? That's usually the case if they're getting to the end.
Post by: OCD on January 03, 2024, 01:39:25 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on January 03, 2024, 01:43:59 PM
In the Athletic now;
https://theathletic.com/5176663/2024/01/03/finn-azaz-middlesbrough-aston-villa-transfers/ (https://theathletic.com/5176663/2024/01/03/finn-azaz-middlesbrough-aston-villa-transfers/)
"Middlesbrough are set to sign Aston Villa midfielder Finn Azaz in a £2.5million deal."
Someone in the comments section says that he is out of contract with us in May so the price makes more sense in that perspective. A clause for an extra £2.5m should Middlesbrough get promoted would have been good though...
I thought he signd a new contract before the loan deal? That's usually the case if they're getting to the end.
He signed an extension, but doesn't say how long it was. He signed one before his previous loan too. I would suspect that the extension goes beyond the current season when they do this.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/02/Azaz-signs-new-deal-and-seals-loan/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/02/Azaz-signs-new-deal-and-seals-loan/)
Post by: Steve67 on January 03, 2024, 01:44:39 PM
In the Athletic now;
https://theathletic.com/5176663/2024/01/03/finn-azaz-middlesbrough-aston-villa-transfers/ (https://theathletic.com/5176663/2024/01/03/finn-azaz-middlesbrough-aston-villa-transfers/)
"Middlesbrough are set to sign Aston Villa midfielder Finn Azaz in a £2.5million deal."
Someone in the comments section says that he is out of contract with us in May so the price makes more sense in that perspective. A clause for an extra £2.5m should Middlesbrough get promoted would have been good though...
I thought he signd a new contract before the loan deal? That's usually the case if they're getting to the end.
I put it in the wrong thread, but you are absolutely correct Dogtanian. Signed an extension in August 23, might have only been a year I guess but I would imagine it would have been longer than a year.
Post by: brontebilly on January 03, 2024, 01:44:57 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 03, 2024, 01:46:58 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 03, 2024, 01:51:21 PM
It’s important at this time of year to find a good secure place to brace yourself in case of a sudden bids.what have you heard
Post by: Dave on January 03, 2024, 01:53:07 PM
Any Forest player worth considering? FFP pressures being reported. Couple of wins lately seem to have pulled them clear of relegation for now. Gibbs-White is talented but I don't think he's any better than Buendia, Diaby or Bailey. Always thought for Wales that Williams looks a solid wing/full back but he struggles to even get a regular game for Forest.
Murillo is supposed to be a future star at centre-back, but we're pretty well-stocked there and I'm guessing he'd rather play where he is than be on a bench somewhere.
Getting Sangare was supposed to be a massive coup for them in the summer, but he's not been particularly great. But if we did wanted an additional defensive midfielder to add to our bunch, I'd imagine Emery could do a lot with him that Cooper wasn't able to.
Post by: LeeB on January 03, 2024, 01:56:25 PM
Any Forest player worth considering? FFP pressures being reported. Couple of wins lately seem to have pulled them clear of relegation for now. Gibbs-White is talented but I don't think he's any better than Buendia, Diaby or Bailey. Always thought for Wales that Williams looks a solid wing/full back but he struggles to even get a regular game for Forest.
Murillo is supposed to be a future star at centre-back, but we're pretty well-stocked there and I'm guessing he'd rather play where he is than be on a bench somewhere.
Getting Sangare was supposed to be a massive coup for them in the summer, but he's not been particularly great. But if we did wanted an additional defensive midfielder to add to our bunch, I'd imagine Emery could do a lot with him that Cooper wasn't able to.
I thought Sangarre was really good against us. Typical that he seems to have done nothing else before or since.
Post by: olaftab on January 03, 2024, 02:09:34 PM
He has won two Keague games for us this season.at what exactlyNgonge in / Duran out would be a class start to the windowNo. Duran is becoming more and more effective. We don’t want to waste a year of good work by the coaching team.
Post by: LeeB on January 03, 2024, 02:11:23 PM
He has won two Keague games for us this season.at what exactlyNgonge in / Duran out would be a class start to the windowNo. Duran is becoming more and more effective. We don’t want to waste a year of good work by the coaching team.
I wouldn't waste your breath explaining mate.
Post by: sid1964 on January 03, 2024, 02:30:54 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on January 03, 2024, 02:35:58 PM
If Gibbs-White is available from Forest we should be interested in him, also Archie Gray at Leeds looks a very good prospect
Has Gray (and his dad) recovered from that McGinn 'horror' tackle then?
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2024, 03:48:23 PM
He has won two Keague games for us this season.
Crystal Palace, certainly, with his late goal that equalised and laid the platform for the late onslaught. Everton though, we were already 3-0 up.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 03, 2024, 03:52:14 PM
He has won two Keague games for us this season.
Crystal Palace, certainly, with his late goal that equalised and laid the platform for the late onslaught. Everton though, we were already 3-0 up.
I’m assuming Aftab means winning the pen in the last game, as opposed to Everton.
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2024, 04:00:53 PM
He has won two Keague games for us this season.
Crystal Palace, certainly, with his late goal that equalised and laid the platform for the late onslaught. Everton though, we were already 3-0 up.
I’m assuming Aftab means winning the pen in the last game, as opposed to Everton.
Ah, could be I suppose. If you count falling over as winning a game.
Post by: VillaTim on January 03, 2024, 04:04:09 PM
No he hasn'tHe has won two Keague games for us this season.at what exactlyNgonge in / Duran out would be a class start to the windowNo. Duran is becoming more and more effective. We don’t want to waste a year of good work by the coaching team.
Post by: VillaTim on January 03, 2024, 04:05:12 PM
He didn't fall over (well he did , he dived)He has won two Keague games for us this season.
Crystal Palace, certainly, with his late goal that equalised and laid the platform for the late onslaught. Everton though, we were already 3-0 up.
I’m assuming Aftab means winning the pen in the last game, as opposed to Everton.
Ah, could be I suppose. If you count falling over as winning a game.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 03, 2024, 04:42:17 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on January 03, 2024, 04:45:24 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 03, 2024, 04:47:46 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on January 03, 2024, 04:50:39 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on January 03, 2024, 04:52:24 PM
Subs: Torres, Chambers, Zaniolo, Durán, Dendoncker, Marschall, Iroegbunam, Proctor
Post by: Dave on January 03, 2024, 05:02:08 PM
From Burnley for example:
Subs: Torres, Chambers, Zaniolo, Durán, Dendoncker, Marschall, Iroegbunam, Proctor
I imagine two-goals-in-his-last-few matches Zaniolo.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 03, 2024, 05:16:48 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 03, 2024, 05:19:52 PM
From Burnley for example:
Subs: Torres, Chambers, Zaniolo, Durán, Dendoncker, Marschall, Iroegbunam, Proctor
I imagine two-goals-in-his-last-few matches Zaniolo.
Yes, precisely that.
This is the Emery that was quite happy to see the back of Danny Ings 12 months ago without worrying too much about replacing him.
I just don't see a young player 'acting up' and being indulged with game time under this manager, I don't buy it at all.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 03, 2024, 05:24:49 PM
Post by: Dave on January 03, 2024, 05:25:20 PM
Well pass me the kettle and let’s see how many fish are in there XD
I have no idea what this means.
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2024, 05:25:54 PM
I just don't see a young player 'acting up' and being indulged with game time under this manager, I don't buy it at all.
I think there might have been something in it, but he's been put back in his box, and then rightly got on with things after realising he's working for the best manager in the world.
Post by: LeeB on January 03, 2024, 05:31:41 PM
I just don't see a young player 'acting up' and being indulged with game time under this manager, I don't buy it at all.
I think there might have been something in it, but he's been put back in his box, and then rightly got on with things after realising he's working for the best manager in the world.
There might be times where he needs putting right on things, he's a 19 year old lad, that's to be expected. Maybe he fell asleep during the video analysis because he'd been up late playing COD or something, but disruptive? Nah.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 03, 2024, 05:32:29 PM
Well pass me the kettle and let’s see how many fish are in there XD
I have no idea what this means.
That’s another kettle of fish. Why isn’t he playing Zaniolo if he’s just coming into form?
Post by: olaftab on January 03, 2024, 06:34:12 PM
Yes that's the other one. He rattled Burnley and enticed their player into a desperate tackle and won a penalty.He has won two Keague games for us this season.
Crystal Palace, certainly, with his late goal that equalised and laid the platform for the late onslaught. Everton though, we were already 3-0 up.
I’m assuming Aftab means winning the pen in the last game, as opposed to Everton.
Ah, could be I suppose. If you count falling over as winning a game.
Post by: eamonn on January 03, 2024, 06:38:02 PM
Well pass me the kettle and let’s see how many fish are in there XD
I have no idea what this means.
Posting a contrary view to get a reaction, mebbe.
Post by: IFWaters on January 03, 2024, 07:36:11 PM
I wouldn't boil a kettle with fish in it. Apart from the horrific animal welfare concerns it would make your tea stink.Well pass me the kettle and let’s see how many fish are in there XD
I have no idea what this means.
Posting a contrary view to get a reaction, mebbe.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 03, 2024, 07:43:40 PM
I wouldn't boil a kettle with fish in it. Apart from the horrific animal welfare concerns it would make your tea stink.Well pass me the kettle and let’s see how many fish are in there XD
I have no idea what this means.
Posting a contrary view to get a reaction, mebbe.
Not a fan of Eel Grey?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2024, 07:46:21 PM
I wouldn't boil a kettle with fish in it. Apart from the horrific animal welfare concerns it would make your tea stink.Well pass me the kettle and let’s see how many fish are in there XD
I have no idea what this means.
Posting a contrary view to get a reaction, mebbe.
Not a fan of Eel Grey?
I like that Koibos tea.
Post by: dave shelley on January 03, 2024, 07:52:11 PM
Post by: curiousorange on January 03, 2024, 10:09:06 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 03, 2024, 10:12:01 PM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 03, 2024, 10:18:07 PM
Oh my Cod!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 03, 2024, 10:22:14 PM
I wouldn't boil a kettle with fish in it. Apart from the horrific animal welfare concerns it would make your tea stink.
You've never had Caribbean fish tea? It's delicious, just what you need when the evening'a cooling down from 30C.
Post by: curiousorange on January 03, 2024, 10:26:47 PM
I wouldn't boil a kettle with fish in it. Apart from the horrific animal welfare concerns it would make your tea stink.
You've never had Caribbean fish tea? It's delicious, just what you need when the evening'a cooling down from 30C.
That sounds fish-tea to me.
Post by: TonyD on January 03, 2024, 10:28:50 PM
Everyone will get hooked.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 04, 2024, 12:35:27 AM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 04, 2024, 08:11:31 AM
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 04, 2024, 08:33:21 AM
Werner being linked to Manure now.
Let's hope Lepzig do them up like a kipper on the fee.
I would love him here but I feel he's behind us now and we should be looking for the next Timo
Post by: brontebilly on January 04, 2024, 10:55:25 AM
From Burnley for example:
Subs: Torres, Chambers, Zaniolo, Durán, Dendoncker, Marschall, Iroegbunam, Proctor
I imagine two-goals-in-his-last-few matches Zaniolo.
Yes, precisely that.
This is the Emery that was quite happy to see the back of Danny Ings 12 months ago without worrying too much about replacing him.
I just don't see a young player 'acting up' and being indulged with game time under this manager, I don't buy it at all.
He spent a few weeks on the naughty step anyway. Emery was far from impressed with him when he came on v Chelsea. But he is back getting minutes again now. In saying all that, he was hooked at half time twice in Europe already this season and if Watkins got injured we would be screwed. Worth a start at Boro to see how he goes.
Post by: AV84 on January 04, 2024, 08:28:53 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 04, 2024, 08:29:11 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 04, 2024, 08:32:42 PM
He has scored 2 yes two goals in Bundesliga this season so a perfect fit at OT with Ten Hag.Werner being linked to Manure now.
Let's hope Lepzig do them up like a kipper on the fee.
I would love him here but I feel he's behind us now and we should be looking for the next Timo
Post by: john e on January 04, 2024, 08:40:21 PM
Heard Firmino was looking for a quick return to PL, so I think he could be rather useful for us from the bench for the rest of the season.
Yep 32 years old and a clever player with skills
Would get my vote
Post by: OCD on January 04, 2024, 08:54:32 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 04, 2024, 08:56:38 PM
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 04, 2024, 09:01:46 PM
He has scored 2 yes two goals in Bundesliga this season so a perfect fit at OT with Ten Hag.Werner being linked to Manure now.
Let's hope Lepzig do them up like a kipper on the fee.
I would love him here but I feel he's behind us now and we should be looking for the next Timo
Hes much more than the goals he doesn't score, he is a pressing machine and we need someone to help Watkins in that department as sometime there is only him pressing.
That said I think we should be looking for the next Timo, Toney, Vardy etc. Happy to take punts on the likes of Duran and even if they don't pay off instantly we should get a decent fee for them selling them on. The problem with the modern game is there are very few top class strikers anymore so buying a ready made one costs you your soul.
Post by: ldavfc4eva on January 04, 2024, 09:06:22 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 04, 2024, 09:09:07 PM
Like summer, fresh rumour Digne leaving and Acuna on way inAnd like last summer it's probably BS
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 04, 2024, 09:11:19 PM
Like summer, fresh rumour Digne leaving and Acuna on way inAnd like last summer it's probably BS
We 100% were in to acuna in the summer but his injury stopped the move. No idea if it’s been revisited
Post by: villadelph on January 04, 2024, 09:13:59 PM
Like summer, fresh rumour Digne leaving and Acuna on way in
Hard to believe. Digne has been fairly solid this year, while Acuna is going in the complete opposite direction.. single digit appearances this season and multiple injuries. I'm not sure it would make a whole lot of sense to let Digne go. If Sevilla drop the asking price it may be worth bringing him in as cover/rotation, but we shouldn't be letting any outside back leave.
Post by: AV84 on January 04, 2024, 09:18:24 PM
Like summer, fresh rumour Digne leaving and Acuna on way inAnd like last summer it's probably BS
Digne was literally one foot out the door last summer. It was a last minute injury to Acuña that stopped the move happening. It wasn't BS.
I think it would be a shame to lose Digne at this point, he's been fantastic all season. If he does go I'd hope we get a few million more than we would have in the summer.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 04, 2024, 09:24:38 PM
Post by: LeonW on January 04, 2024, 09:36:34 PM
I don’t know much about Acuna and haven’t seen him play much, but he’s 33 in October which would be a concern for a full back no matter how fit and injury free he may be.
Would seem a bit of strange one, even taking into account the savings we’d probably make on Digne’s wages. We surely can’t be that hard up.
Post by: Bad English on January 04, 2024, 09:48:40 PM
BS?Like summer, fresh rumour Digne leaving and Acuna on way inAnd like last summer it's probably BS
Post by: algy on January 04, 2024, 10:13:11 PM
Bastian Schweinsteiger. He's always talking out of his arse that one.BS?Like summer, fresh rumour Digne leaving and Acuna on way inAnd like last summer it's probably BS
Post by: Bad English on January 04, 2024, 10:13:44 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 04, 2024, 10:48:26 PM
Like summer, fresh rumour Digne leaving and Acuna on way inAnd like last summer it's probably BS
That wasn’t bullshit was it? He got injured. Didn’t his club publicly say they were pissed off with us talking to him?
Post by: VillaTim on January 04, 2024, 10:57:02 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2024, 11:02:40 PM
I'd be surprised if we are trying to replace Digne mid-season, he's been absolutely superb this season
You said it was 'BS' last summer, too, though.
I'm not so sure it was at the time.
Post by: Steve67 on January 04, 2024, 11:07:52 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 04, 2024, 11:13:28 PM
Felipe Anderson on a summer free transfer. SkyLyall? Whoever he is. Lazio player.
Brazilian attacking midfielder who West Ham bought for £30m plus a few seasons back. Don’t think he pulled up many trees in this league and they sent him back to Italy.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 04, 2024, 11:22:55 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 05, 2024, 01:29:29 AM
Heard Firmino was looking for a quick return to PL, so I think he could be rather useful for us from the bench for the rest of the season.
Danny Ings type vibes off Firmino. He couldn't do that pressing from the front in his later years at Liverpool so wouldn't be able to remotely replicate what Watkins does. Clever player though that would have his uses in games like Sheff United that we might see more of. Whether we would pay the wages he would be looking for a bit part role is unlikely.
Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2024, 01:34:44 AM
Post by: Smithy on January 05, 2024, 08:55:46 AM
Heard Firmino was looking for a quick return to PL, so I think he could be rather useful for us from the bench for the rest of the season.
Danny Ings type vibes off Firmino. He couldn't do that pressing from the front in his later years at Liverpool so wouldn't be able to remotely replicate what Watkins does. Clever player though that would have his uses in games like Sheff United that we might see more of. Whether we would pay the wages he would be looking for a bit part role is unlikely.
I don't see that with Firmino at all. Especially if it's a short-term deal/loan. Liverpool didn't let him go because he no longer had the legs - in fact, they didn't want him to leave last summer (Klopp expressed his surprise more than once at his decision). At his peak, he was probably the only pressing forward who comes close to Ollie's work rate. Sure, at 32, he probably can't do it at the level he once did. But he doesn't need to, he's not coming here as first choice. But if the financial elements work - which is no easy feat given where he's currently playing - then I'd be happy to have him for 12/18 months.
And even if his pressing skills aren't what they once were, he has excellent feet so he would also be very useful against teams playing a low-block, against whom we've really struggled in the last month or so.
Post by: Dave on January 05, 2024, 09:10:40 AM
Heard Firmino was looking for a quick return to PL, so I think he could be rather useful for us from the bench for the rest of the season.
Danny Ings type vibes off Firmino. He couldn't do that pressing from the front in his later years at Liverpool so wouldn't be able to remotely replicate what Watkins does. Clever player though that would have his uses in games like Sheff United that we might see more of. Whether we would pay the wages he would be looking for a bit part role is unlikely.
I'd be getting Heskey vibes I reckon.
He seems to have followed the same career trajectory into "selfless, non-scoring forward". He wasn't actually prolific in his last few years at Liverpool and three in nineteen in Saudi Arabia doesn't suggest he'd be coming in to score goals.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 05, 2024, 09:26:03 AM
Post by: nigel on January 05, 2024, 09:48:45 AM
Heard Firmino was looking for a quick return to PL, so I think he could be rather useful for us from the bench for the rest of the season.
Danny Ings type vibes off Firmino. He couldn't do that pressing from the front in his later years at Liverpool so wouldn't be able to remotely replicate what Watkins does. Clever player though that would have his uses in games like Sheff United that we might see more of. Whether we would pay the wages he would be looking for a bit part role is unlikely.
I'd be getting Heskey vibes I reckon.
He seems to have followed the same career trajectory into "selfless, non-scoring forward". He wasn't actually prolific in his last few years at Liverpool and three in nineteen in Saudi Arabia doesn't suggest he'd be coming in to score goals.
Without looking, what were his assists stats like at Liverpool?
Salah and Mane were the goal scorers, so he didn’t need o be prolific.
Was he the one the laid them on a plate?
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 05, 2024, 09:52:13 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 05, 2024, 10:25:34 AM
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 05, 2024, 10:34:44 AM
Post by: Dave on January 05, 2024, 10:36:21 AM
I wouldn't mind Firmino, but for a few things. The fact he checked out of top flight football by going to that revolting, civil rights abusing hell hole...
...when he left Hoffenheim for Liverpool
Post by: VillaTim on January 05, 2024, 10:48:00 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 05, 2024, 10:57:18 AM
Firmino is finished at top level. I can't believe we are in any way interested in him
poor Bobby ;)
Post by: Smithy on January 05, 2024, 11:06:18 AM
Heard Firmino was looking for a quick return to PL, so I think he could be rather useful for us from the bench for the rest of the season.
Danny Ings type vibes off Firmino. He couldn't do that pressing from the front in his later years at Liverpool so wouldn't be able to remotely replicate what Watkins does. Clever player though that would have his uses in games like Sheff United that we might see more of. Whether we would pay the wages he would be looking for a bit part role is unlikely.
I'd be getting Heskey vibes I reckon.
He seems to have followed the same career trajectory into "selfless, non-scoring forward". He wasn't actually prolific in his last few years at Liverpool and three in nineteen in Saudi Arabia doesn't suggest he'd be coming in to score goals.
Without looking, what were his assists stats like at Liverpool?
Salah and Mane were the goal scorers, so he didn’t need o be prolific.
Was he the one the laid them on a plate?
He wasn't prolific, but he was still just over 1 in 3 last season for Liverpool. He's always played second (well, third) fiddle to Salah and Mane in the goal-scoring stakes, but he did a lot of work in that front three that allowed the other two to be more prolific.
I'm never normally in favour of buying ageing journeymen, but given our current league position, I think he could be an excellent squad addition for the next 6 months. I'd prefer a younger, long-term option - but I recognise that such a player could be difficult in January. I wouldn't want him bought for anything remotely significant, and certainly not put on a long contract. But I think he has the sort of profile that might be helpful as we chase Champions League qualification (or higher) in the second half of the season. He knows the league, he knows how to win. He also seems popular with the people he's played with, and with the fans who've watched him every week.
If the finances are right, it feels like quite a low-risk option for adding attacking depth during the run-in?
It could go terribly, but it feels like the sort of gamble worth taking, if better options aren't available.
Post by: OCD on January 05, 2024, 11:18:31 AM
Post by: dicedlam on January 05, 2024, 11:39:37 AM
I understand that he's been plagued with injuries most of his career, but I reckon he would cost us very little for a player with an abundance of premier league experience and great cover for Ollie.
Post by: paul_e on January 05, 2024, 11:48:59 AM
Without looking, what were his assists stats like at Liverpool?
Salah and Mane were the goal scorers, so he didn’t need o be prolific.
Was he the one the laid them on a plate?
111 goals and 79 assists at Liverpool (in 362 games) so a pretty even split and all in that's a goal involvement in a little under every other game, not a bad record at all.
Similar record for Brazil as well.
I do worry that his legs have gone a bit though, he wasn't the same player last year as he had been, maybe that was down to him having decided to move away though.
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2024, 11:53:46 AM
Post by: London Villan on January 05, 2024, 11:56:53 AM
Post by: Clampy on January 05, 2024, 12:02:57 PM
Post by: nigel on January 05, 2024, 12:08:37 PM
Without looking, what were his assists stats like at Liverpool?
Salah and Mane were the goal scorers, so he didn’t need o be prolific.
Was he the one the laid them on a plate?
111 goals and 79 assists at Liverpool (in 362 games) so a pretty even split and all in that's a goal involvement in a little under every other game, not a bad record at all.
Similar record for Brazil as well.
I do worry that his legs have gone a bit though, he wasn't the same player last year as he had been, maybe that was down to him having decided to move away though.
Thanks, mate 👍
I was advocating us buying, but just interested in what he offered back then.
Post by: Steve67 on January 05, 2024, 12:45:11 PM
I've always liked Welbeck. He's similar to Ollie with his work rate and running off the ball.
Classy player, underrated. Could do with scoring more goals but Brighton’s style might not really suit him.
Post by: nick harper on January 05, 2024, 12:48:37 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 05, 2024, 12:50:04 PM
I've always liked Welbeck. He's similar to Ollie with his work rate and running off the ball.
Me too. Good player.
Post by: Dave on January 05, 2024, 12:52:15 PM
I've always liked Welbeck. He's similar to Ollie with his work rate and running off the ball.
Another point on Wellbeck is that due to his many spells out he'll possibly end up playing a lot later than other players of a similar vintage. Wikipedia has him at 425 matches in 16 years. Jordan Henderson at the same age has over 600.
There are plenty of player I'd prefer ahead of him, but I'd see the logic if we did.
Post by: OCD on January 05, 2024, 01:04:12 PM
Post by: dekko on January 05, 2024, 01:05:15 PM
I like that Broja at Chelsea. He’s had a really bad injury but is now getting up to speed fitness wise. Quick, strong and can lead the line. With the constant churn at Chelsea and Nkunku back for them, there might be an opportunity there.
They're also looking to shift some academy products to help with FFP.....
Post by: London Villan on January 05, 2024, 01:12:59 PM
Post by: Bad English on January 05, 2024, 01:13:23 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 05, 2024, 01:25:56 PM
I like that Broja at Chelsea. He’s had a really bad injury but is now getting up to speed fitness wise. Quick, strong and can lead the line. With the constant churn at Chelsea and Nkunku back for them, there might be an opportunity there.
They're also looking to shift some academy products to help with FFP.....
I was wondering if he was an academy product. I think the fee suggested to Southampton at the end of his loan there a few seasons back was around £20m, Gallagher another academy graduate is rated at £50m so not sure what they’d want. I’d see him as a slight upgrade on Duran but not big enough to justify the possible large fee.
Edit. Deleted duplicated words.
Post by: VillaTim on January 05, 2024, 01:36:49 PM
Post by: Holte L2 on January 05, 2024, 01:37:29 PM
Wellbeck ? Good lord, i'm glad Monchi is in charge of transfers
Wellbeck screams of a Paul Lambert signing.
Post by: Axl Rose on January 05, 2024, 02:01:33 PM
Post by: Dave on January 05, 2024, 02:05:47 PM
I want us to sign Jonathan David
He's definitely the sort of player we should be in the market for. But one of those where he could be a Mane or he could be a Martial.
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2024, 02:08:08 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2024, 02:22:43 PM
Suspicious of two first name/surname people in general, I'd need convincing.
You're at least halfway there, yourself ;)
Post by: Dave on January 05, 2024, 02:24:03 PM
Suspicious of two first name/surname people in general, I'd need convincing.
That sort of thinking would have ruled us out of Thierry Henry.
Post by: VillaTim on January 05, 2024, 02:25:41 PM
Harry KaneSuspicious of two first name/surname people in general, I'd need convincing.
That sort of thinking would have ruled us out of Thierry Henry.
Post by: jwarry on January 05, 2024, 02:26:43 PM
So FO with your Welbecks, Firminhos etc
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 05, 2024, 02:47:13 PM
Suspicious of two first name/surname people in general, I'd need convincing.
Cristiano Ronaldo. You have a point. Douglas Luiz says hello.
Post by: Fasth56 on January 05, 2024, 02:54:32 PM
Suspicious of two first name/surname people in general, I'd need convincing.
Gareth Barry sends his regards
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 05, 2024, 03:02:46 PM
Suspicious of two first name/surname people in general, I'd need convincing.
They need dunking in a river.
except for where the surname is, say, pluralised, that's usually the sign of a fine, upstanding member of the community, loved by his peers
Post by: VillaTim on January 05, 2024, 03:08:29 PM
as does Gary ShawSuspicious of two first name/surname people in general, I'd need convincing.
Gareth Barry sends his regards
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2024, 03:10:57 PM
Suspicious of two first name/surname people in general, I'd need convincing.
Gareth Barry sends his regards
As does Hank Marvin, you bastard.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 05, 2024, 03:11:24 PM
as does Gary ShawSuspicious of two first name/surname people in general, I'd need convincing.
Gareth Barry sends his regards
And remember, keep 'em peeled!
(https://televisionheaven.co.uk/img/containers/main/police_five.jpg/a20d979f4aa5953fd9de31c95b4fa6dd.jpg)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 05, 2024, 03:11:56 PM
Suspicious of two first name/surname people in general, I'd need convincing.
Gareth Barry sends his regards
As does Hank Marvin, you bastard.
Not to mention Cliff Richard, his mate.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2024, 03:13:11 PM
Suspicious of two first name/surname people in general, I'd need convincing.
Gareth Barry sends his regards
As does Hank Marvin, you bastard.
Not to mention Cliff Richard, his mate.
Harry Webb? He can fuck off for inventing rugby.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 05, 2024, 03:16:12 PM
Suspicious of two first name/surname people in general, I'd need convincing.
Gareth Barry sends his regards
As does Hank Marvin, you bastard.
Not to mention Cliff Richard, his mate.
Harry Webb? He can fuck off for inventing rugby.
The first thing I think of when I see Cliff on telly, even now decades later, is about how there was that rumour for about 30 years that he wore a colostomy bag.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2024, 03:20:32 PM
Suspicious of two first name/surname people in general, I'd need convincing.
Gareth Barry sends his regards
As does Hank Marvin, you bastard.
Not to mention Cliff Richard, his mate.
Harry Webb? He can fuck off for inventing rugby.
The first thing I think of when I see Cliff on telly, even now decades later, is about how there was that rumour for about 30 years that he wore a colostomy bag.
My mother-in-law, who has the broadest Black Country accent you can imagine, insists on calling the bag she puts her make-up etc in a "toilet bag". It never fails to kill me.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2024, 04:35:24 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2024, 04:38:20 PM
Post by: Small Rodent on January 05, 2024, 04:49:26 PM
As does Hank Marvin, you bastard.
Hank's real name is Brian Robson Rankin.
Nicknamed Hank because of his bow-legged cowboy gait as a kid, and chose Marvin from country singer Marvin Rainwater.
Post by: Richard E on January 05, 2024, 04:56:26 PM
Boo! Disclose it you jerks!
No!! When clubs find out we got £200m for him the prices they want to charge us will go up!
Post by: Bad English on January 05, 2024, 05:42:01 PM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on January 05, 2024, 06:17:43 PM
As does Hank Marvin, you bastard.
Hank's real name is Brian Robson Rankin.
Nicknamed Hank because of his bow-legged cowboy gait as a kid, and chose Marvin from country singer Marvin Rainwater.
I thought it was because he was always hungry
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 05, 2024, 06:45:23 PM
Suspicious of two first name/surname people in general, I'd need convincing.
You're at least halfway there, yourself ;)
I'd say Lee Byron is more than that. ;)
Post by: algy on January 05, 2024, 09:37:21 PM
I'd heard whenever he introduces himself, someone tries to shove a sandwich in his hand.
As does Hank Marvin, you bastard.
Hank's real name is Brian Robson Rankin.
Nicknamed Hank because of his bow-legged cowboy gait as a kid, and chose Marvin from country singer Marvin Rainwater.
I thought it was because he was always hungry
Post by: Steve67 on January 05, 2024, 10:48:59 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 05, 2024, 11:01:47 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 05, 2024, 11:16:16 PM
https://x.com/mattburton72/status/1742567677023945041?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Post by: charlatan on January 05, 2024, 11:19:49 PM
I get why people are sad to see the likes of Chukwuemeka, Archer, Ramsey and Philogene leave, but I reckon that the money from those four is probably more than Newcastle have brought in from sales of former academy players in their history. And if it weren't for Andy Carroll warping that figure, they'd barely have a sale of note since the 80s.Bit unfair when they sold Andy Cole for a British record fee in 1995.
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2024, 11:22:36 PM
I get why people are sad to see the likes of Chukwuemeka, Archer, Ramsey and Philogene leave, but I reckon that the money from those four is probably more than Newcastle have brought in from sales of former academy players in their history. And if it weren't for Andy Carroll warping that figure, they'd barely have a sale of note since the 80s.Bit unfair when they sold Andy Cole for a British record fee in 1995.
He wasn't a Newcastle academy player though which was Dave's point, he started at Arsenal, and then went to Bristol City.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 05, 2024, 11:23:23 PM
I get why people are sad to see the likes of Chukwuemeka, Archer, Ramsey and Philogene leave, but I reckon that the money from those four is probably more than Newcastle have brought in from sales of former academy players in their history. And if it weren't for Andy Carroll warping that figure, they'd barely have a sale of note since the 80s.
Bit unfair when they sold Andy Cole for a British record fee in 1995.
He wasn't one of their academy graduates. They signed him From Bristol City for £1.75m who had previously signed him from Arsenal for £500k.
Post by: charlatan on January 05, 2024, 11:38:49 PM
Good point *facepalm*I get why people are sad to see the likes of Chukwuemeka, Archer, Ramsey and Philogene leave, but I reckon that the money from those four is probably more than Newcastle have brought in from sales of former academy players in their history. And if it weren't for Andy Carroll warping that figure, they'd barely have a sale of note since the 80s.Bit unfair when they sold Andy Cole for a British record fee in 1995.
He wasn't a Newcastle academy player though which was Dave's point, he started at Arsenal, and then went to Bristol City.
Post by: charlatan on January 05, 2024, 11:54:39 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 06, 2024, 06:58:59 AM
I also read that clubs are notified next month if they’re considered at risk by the PL. Wouldn’t that information be useful in say November so clubs can plan. It must be infuriating for clubs trying to navigate the rules.
Post by: Rigadon on January 06, 2024, 07:20:18 AM
Ornstein at The Athletic suggesting that there will not be many INs as we look to manage FFP. He’s not suggesting there’s a problem.
I also read that clubs are notified next month if they’re considered at risk by the PL. Wouldn’t that information be useful in say November so clubs can plan. It must be infuriating for clubs trying to navigate the rules.
It does seem poorly timed! But I suppose clubs will know all about their risk without being told these days.
Post by: Mister E on January 06, 2024, 07:35:05 AM
Ornstein at The Athletic suggesting that there will not be many INs as we look to manage FFP. He’s not suggesting there’s a problem.If clubs are not on top of it themselves, more fool them. They have a finance team and a set of external auditors ...
I also read that clubs are notified next month if they’re considered at risk by the PL. Wouldn’t that information be useful in say November so clubs can plan. It must be infuriating for clubs trying to navigate the rules.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 06, 2024, 07:49:52 AM
Post by: brontebilly on January 06, 2024, 09:26:11 AM
True but there’s clearly some ‘interpretation’ going on with how different clubs are treated and/or how clubs apply the rules.
Suspect it's more the points deduction Everton got that has finally focused hearts and minds across PL boardrooms.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 06, 2024, 09:33:38 AM
The league arguably shouldn’t have any influence in how a club is run but these rules appear to open that door. Comply and you’ll be okay, be too ambitious and we will deduct 10 points.
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 06, 2024, 10:43:30 AM
Fin gone official. Undisclosed fee.I feel a bit sorry for Plymouth here. In fact I think they have been treated badly.
Post by: nigel on January 06, 2024, 10:55:09 AM
Fin gone official. Undisclosed fee.I feel a bit sorry for Plymouth here. In fact I think they have been treated badly.
Me, too.
I’d guess they were given the option of signing him first, though
Post by: Drummond on January 06, 2024, 11:20:23 AM
Interesting thread on our FFP/P&S here.
https://x.com/mattburton72/status/1742567677023945041?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
That is interesting.
The most interesting bit I took away from it was the North Stand development and the loss of revenue for the time we were without it. Ticket and merchandise etc. could make a significant difference as to whether we can afford to sign a player or not over the next 2 or 3 years.
His estimate was £4m per year, and that's based on current numbers. Put the prices up next season of course and we have increased room to play with when we're (hopefully) going to launch a Champions League campaign.
Post by: Dave on January 06, 2024, 11:20:47 AM
Fin gone official. Undisclosed fee.I feel a bit sorry for Plymouth here. In fact I think they have been treated badly.
Me, too.
I’d guess they were given the option of signing him first, though
I imagine we were happy to sell to whoever offered the most.
I'd expect Middlesbrough are in a position to offer him more attractive terms than Plymouth would as well.
Post by: sid1964 on January 06, 2024, 11:54:54 AM
Post by: Ian. on January 06, 2024, 12:04:11 PM
Fin gone official. Undisclosed fee.I feel a bit sorry for Plymouth here. In fact I think they have been treated badly.
Me, too.
I’d guess they were given the option of signing him first, though
I imagine we were happy to sell to whoever offered the most.
I'd expect Middlesbrough are in a position to offer him more attractive terms than Plymouth would as well.
I'm sure they are all gutted at Plymouth, he's been very popular, but unfortunately they couldn't afford him.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 06, 2024, 12:50:10 PM
Interesting thread on our FFP/P&S here.
https://x.com/mattburton72/status/1742567677023945041?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
I would be incredibly appreciative if someone could copy & past the whole ten posts from the thread to H&V please?
I don't have a Twitter account, or whatever the fuck its called now, & for some reason, while I can see the initial tweet, it wants me to sign up to be able to read the following 9 tweets.
And I would rather fuck a cheese grater than do anything to help Elon Musk, in any way, shape or form...
Thanks in advance...
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 06, 2024, 12:56:57 PM
Fin gone official. Undisclosed fee.I feel a bit sorry for Plymouth here. In fact I think they have been treated badly.
Why?
If they were given an opportunity to match the conditions of the Boro sale, then I don't see why they have been treated badly.
If they weren't given that opportunity, then it's up to them to offer us what they think Azaz would be worth to them & go from there, as soon as they know he is being recalled & sold,
Just like any other club during a transfer.
In fact, they got promoted off the back of one of our players last hear & are arguably closer to safety than they would have been this year, in part due to the efforts of two of our players...
Post by: KNVillan on January 06, 2024, 01:12:11 PM
Interesting thread on our FFP/P&S here.
https://x.com/mattburton72/status/1742567677023945041?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
I would be incredibly appreciative if someone could copy & past the whole ten posts from the thread to H&V please
I don't have a Twitter account, or whatever the fuck its called now, & for some reason, while I can see the initial tweet, it wants me to sign up to be able to read the following 9 tweets.
And I would rather fuck a cheese grater than do anything to help Elon Musk, in any way, shape or form...
Thanks in advance...
As requested here are the screenshots of the X thread
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(https://i.ibb.co/PTrCnG2/Screenshot-20240106-130350-X.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PTrCnG2)
(https://i.ibb.co/P51SxV9/Screenshot-20240106-130409-X.jpg) (https://ibb.co/P51SxV9)
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Post by: pablo_picasso on January 06, 2024, 01:49:46 PM
As requested here are the screenshots of the X thread
Thank you mate.
Much appreciated. 👍
Very interesting reading...
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 06, 2024, 02:11:16 PM
Post by: CT Villan on January 06, 2024, 02:20:39 PM
Interesting thread on our FFP/P&S here.
https://x.com/mattburton72/status/1742567677023945041?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
I would be incredibly appreciative if someone could copy & past the whole ten posts from the thread to H&V please?
I don't have a Twitter account, or whatever the fuck its called now, & for some reason, while I can see the initial tweet, it wants me to sign up to be able to read the following 9 tweets.
And I would rather fuck a cheese grater than do anything to help Elon Musk, in any way, shape or form...
Thanks in advance...
You can also use nitter...
https://nitter.net/mattburton72/status/1742567677023945041?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 06, 2024, 02:21:51 PM
Interesting thread on our FFP/P&S here.
https://x.com/mattburton72/status/1742567677023945041?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
I would be incredibly appreciative if someone could copy & past the whole ten posts from the thread to H&V please?
I don't have a Twitter account, or whatever the fuck its called now, & for some reason, while I can see the initial tweet, it wants me to sign up to be able to read the following 9 tweets.
And I would rather fuck a cheese grater than do anything to help Elon Musk, in any way, shape or form...
Thanks in advance...
You can also use nitter...
https://nitter.net/mattburton72/status/1742567677023945041?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Thats great! Cheers... 👍
Post by: eamonn on January 06, 2024, 02:33:24 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 06, 2024, 06:16:25 PM
Ah well. Hope he's as prolific there as he was at Chelsea.
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 06, 2024, 06:16:45 PM
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 06, 2024, 07:16:11 PM
But fair play for having the pop tonight.
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 06, 2024, 07:30:30 PM
I won't edit my comment and stand by my statement.
But fair play for having the pop tonight.
You don’t need to. You’re right. If he cuts back with an unnecessary cruyff turn one more time….
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 06, 2024, 09:09:20 PM
Can we just pay whatever it takes to get Frimpong please. Cash just isn't the one.
They're top of the league, and about as likely to sell him as we are to sell Dougie.
Post by: paul_e on January 06, 2024, 09:11:52 PM
Can we just pay whatever it takes to get Frimpong please. Cash just isn't the one.
They're top of the league, and about as likely to sell him as we are to sell Dougie.
They won't have much choice of we offer his release clause which is supposedly~€35m
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 06, 2024, 09:14:31 PM
Can we just pay whatever it takes to get Frimpong please. Cash just isn't the one.
They're top of the league, and about as likely to sell him as we are to sell Dougie.
They won't have much choice of we offer his release clause which is supposedly~€35m
But only kicks in in the summer, apparently.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 06, 2024, 09:18:11 PM
Can we just pay whatever it takes to get Frimpong please. Cash just isn't the one.
They're top of the league, and about as likely to sell him as we are to sell Dougie.
He also signed a new contract in October keeping him there until 2028.
Post by: Rigadon on January 07, 2024, 08:30:30 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 07, 2024, 08:48:28 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 07, 2024, 10:32:53 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 07, 2024, 10:44:53 AM
Hendo wants out.
The PL should form a cartel and agree to not sign him. How can he possibly be shocked that it’s not all roses over there.
Post by: johnny from donny on January 07, 2024, 11:20:58 AM
Hendo wants out.
The PL should form a c
artel and agree to not sign him. How can he possibly be shocked that it’s not all roses over there.
He'll be going to Newcastle, might as well alienate the Sunderland fans as well as the LGBT community that he dropped like a hot brick as soon as 700K a week was waved in front of him.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 07, 2024, 12:06:06 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 07, 2024, 12:44:32 PM
Hendo wants out.Newcastle or Chelsea will sign him.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on January 07, 2024, 12:44:49 PM
Hendo wants out.
That would actually be a great call - if (as I presume) his wages weren’t so high. He’d be great cover for Doug and Kamara, can still play a bit and knows how to win.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 07, 2024, 12:48:27 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 07, 2024, 12:49:50 PM
It's a no from me, given people's tendency to refer to him as Hendo.
This...
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 07, 2024, 12:56:06 PM
Post by: Risso on January 07, 2024, 12:58:04 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 07, 2024, 12:58:29 PM
If Henderson became a Villa player it would at least stop him getting picked for England every time
True that, but who cares about England?
Post by: Dogtanian on January 07, 2024, 01:03:47 PM
I can't see that Henderson is anyway an Emery or Monchi sort of player, but then again Chris Heck may see him as a great marketing opportunity, so who knows.
Let’s hope someone’s told him about the pink pound.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 07, 2024, 01:10:06 PM
Hendo wants out.
That would actually be a great call - if (as I presume) his wages weren’t so high. He’d be great cover for Doug and Kamara, can still play a bit and knows how to win.
No thanks. His lack of character has been exposed.
Post by: LeeB on January 07, 2024, 01:23:13 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 07, 2024, 01:40:43 PM
Let’s hope someone’s told him about the pink pound.
He'd probably want to change it to yellow.
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 07, 2024, 01:42:01 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 07, 2024, 02:03:27 PM
January window for me - Throw money at Man Utd for Wan-Bissaka, ship Duran out (sale or loan) and get Agent Martinez to have a word with Dybala. Done!
Post by: john e on January 07, 2024, 02:11:10 PM
Fuck that, all he's renowned for in midfield is pointing a lot, the scouse tainted twat. We'd have to suffer endless callbacks from the media to his Liverpool days every time he was on the field.
January window for me - Throw money at Man Utd for Wan-Bissaka, ship Duran out (sale or loan) and get Agent Martinez to have a word with Dybala. Done!
Sounds like a plan
What we gonna do about the 10 point deduction for breaking FFP rules though
Post by: Gareth on January 07, 2024, 02:17:35 PM
Post by: OCD on January 07, 2024, 02:18:32 PM
Saudi-based players already had enough. Hopefully that will put a few off that would have considered it.
Post by: KevinGage on January 07, 2024, 02:26:00 PM
If UE inherited him he might try to make the best of a bad job. But can't see Monchi or anyone else recommending him as a good fit.
Whatever gifts he may possess he's never been accused of being good on the ball. More like a puppy chasing a balloon, anytime I've seen him.
Post by: Gareth on January 07, 2024, 02:39:02 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 07, 2024, 03:10:06 PM
Wan-Bissaka is one of the best defensive right backs in the league, he is also one of the worst attacking right backs. He is very much like Cash in that he uses his pace to catch the ball from his own touch rather than having it under control…we need a right back who has better touch and attacking prowess
Not sure we do. Emery likes to be more defensive down the right, hence he has been using Konsa there. We have two very good attacking options on the left in Moreno and Digne.
Wan Bissaka is an upgrade on Cash, and certainly better at fullback than Konsa. Konsa can then be used more often in his best position.
Don't think it will happen, but would be a good signing if it did.
Gnotto having a good game for Leeds again, would still take him too.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 07, 2024, 03:18:55 PM
Hendo wants out.Newcastle or Chelsea will sign him.
Newcastle have already sold their soul so signing Henderson wouldn’t be the least bit surprising. He’s still a decent player and they have a load of injuries.
Post by: AV84 on January 07, 2024, 03:20:29 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 07, 2024, 03:24:39 PM
I'd look at any other options before helping them out in anyway.
Post by: Rigadon on January 07, 2024, 03:30:34 PM
We need another centre forward option. As promising as he could be, Duran isn't ready to step up yet. So they need to sign somebody older than Watkins who's been great in the past but isn't totally past it. Or loan / sell Duran and bring in another kid who is more ready than Duran. It's not easy of course, but this is why the club hire the likes of Monchi isn't it? I'm not sure right back is anything like as big a priority this month.
The other area that worries me is goalkeeper, as I shudder at the thought of Olsen in goal for a month or two. But if it was one position we could afford (FFP), it'd be up front.
Post by: brontebilly on January 07, 2024, 04:05:01 PM
Henderson is knackered
Correct, he was miles off the pace for Liverpool last year.
Post by: IFWaters on January 07, 2024, 04:18:11 PM
I don't see or wouldn't want Hendo anywhere near the team. Would come in thinking he knows it all and he's a vacuous hypocrite
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 07, 2024, 04:32:07 PM
Think if anyone is coming in it will be someone No-ones heard of ...Ngogne type...The last line, I agree.
I don't see or wouldn't want Hendo anywhere near the team. Would come in thinking he knows it all and he's a vacuous hypocrite
He also barks really loudly, but thats apparently a leader, it would do me head in anyway. I hope he gets stuck with all his millions, playing in front of two Sheiks and a camel every week and no one touches him with a barge pole
Post by: AV84 on January 07, 2024, 05:16:10 PM
I hope he gets stuck with all his millions, playing in front of two Sheiks and a camel every week and no one touches him with a barge pole
The thing on BBC gossip said that he was willing to listen to any offers that came in for him. So I hope someone like Carlise or Harrogate offer him minimum wage and a month by month contract. If the wage stories are true he'll have pocketed about 11 million in the time he's been there, so he arguably he could play for free.
Post by: curiousorange on January 07, 2024, 05:53:52 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 07, 2024, 05:55:40 PM
January window for me - Throw money at Man Utd for Wan-Bissaka, ship Duran out (sale or loan) and get Agent Martinez to have a word with Dybala. Done!
AWB is dreadful I think. Carlos Cuellar esque on the ball
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 07, 2024, 06:27:02 PM
January window for me - Throw money at Man Utd for Wan-Bissaka, ship Duran out (sale or loan) and get Agent Martinez to have a word with Dybala. Done!
AWB is dreadful I think. Carlos Cuellar esque on the ball
AWB was extremely highly rated when Man Utd snatched him off Palace, and he was one of the better players on the pitch when we played them Boxing Day - MUCH better than Cash imo, and he's always mentioned in transfer talk so sounds gettable. I think Unai would bring the best out in him.
Post by: LeonW on January 07, 2024, 06:27:33 PM
Would be a poor signing. I think we’re also beyond those type of Hollywood signings now.
Post by: LeeB on January 07, 2024, 06:28:44 PM
January window for me - Throw money at Man Utd for Wan-Bissaka, ship Duran out (sale or loan) and get Agent Martinez to have a word with Dybala. Done!
AWB is dreadful I think. Carlos Cuellar esque on the ball
AWB was extremely highly rated when Man Utd snatched him off Palace, and he was one of the better players on the pitch when we played them Boxing Day - MUCH better than Cash imo, and he's always mentioned in transfer talk so sounds gettable. I think Unai would bring the best out in him.
Wan Bissaka is shit and probably on higher wages than our best paid player.
Post by: curiousorange on January 07, 2024, 06:31:12 PM
I thought ‘Hendo’ was going to ‘change the game’ in Saudi. That was his main reason for going. He must have done already it if he wants out.
He'll have helped change it from a league where Steven Gerrard manages to one where he doesn't.
Post by: Lsvilla on January 07, 2024, 06:40:40 PM
Post by: LeonW on January 07, 2024, 06:57:48 PM
I thought ‘Hendo’ was going to ‘change the game’ in Saudi. That was his main reason for going. He must have done already it if he wants out.
He'll have helped change it from a league where Steven Gerrard manages to one where he doesn't.
He probably needs little help in that regard.
Post by: eamonn on January 07, 2024, 06:57:51 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 07, 2024, 07:59:44 PM
January window for me - Throw money at Man Utd for Wan-Bissaka, ship Duran out (sale or loan) and get Agent Martinez to have a word with Dybala. Done!
AWB is dreadful I think. Carlos Cuellar esque on the ball
AWB was extremely highly rated when Man Utd snatched him off Palace, and he was one of the better players on the pitch when we played them Boxing Day - MUCH better than Cash imo, and he's always mentioned in transfer talk so sounds gettable. I think Unai would bring the best out in him.
Nah it’s quite well known that he struggles on the ball - good defensively, but not going forward. We don’t need that.
Post by: Ads on January 07, 2024, 08:02:50 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 07, 2024, 09:20:28 PM
He's shite.
Is the correct answer.
Nein, danke.
Post by: Dave on January 07, 2024, 09:25:41 PM
Which is why he should rinse Man Utd's coffers for another year then tread the Zaha / Clyne path back to Palace while we sign someone a bit better.
Post by: Chris Smith on January 07, 2024, 10:08:14 PM
January window for me - Throw money at Man Utd for Wan-Bissaka, ship Duran out (sale or loan) and get Agent Martinez to have a word with Dybala. Done!
AWB is dreadful I think. Carlos Cuellar esque on the ball
AWB is ok if you need someone to pick up the pieces.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 08, 2024, 12:00:02 AM
January window for me - Throw money at Man Utd for Wan-Bissaka, ship Duran out (sale or loan) and get Agent Martinez to have a word with Dybala. Done!
AWB is dreadful I think. Carlos Cuellar esque on the ball
AWB was extremely highly rated when Man Utd snatched him off Palace, and he was one of the better players on the pitch when we played them Boxing Day - MUCH better than Cash imo, and he's always mentioned in transfer talk so sounds gettable. I think Unai would bring the best out in him.
Nah it’s quite well known that he struggles on the ball - good defensively, but not going forward. We don’t need that.
Agree. If teams are going to sit in, keep it tight in the middle and allow us space out wide, then we need an option who can take players on and create things in those areas.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 08, 2024, 01:43:22 AM
That’s why Foyth is my prediction but I don’t think we have the FFP headroom.
Post by: Mister E on January 08, 2024, 07:17:18 AM
Certainly, we'd be Taking care of BusinessAWB is ok if you need someone to pick up the pieces.January window for me - Throw money at Man Utd for Wan-Bissaka, ship Duran out (sale or loan) and get Agent Martinez to have a word with Dybala. Done!AWB is dreadful I think. Carlos Cuellar esque on the ball
Post by: tomd2103 on January 08, 2024, 08:42:07 AM
Do we? My hunch is Emery will want a CB/RB rather than an attacking wing-back type.
That’s why Foyth is my prediction but I don’t think we have the FFP headroom.
It's all about opinions, but I think we are crying out for that attacking type of RB. Matty Cash has proven this season that he can't do it, so bringing someone in who can to rotate with him would balance it up well on that side.
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 08, 2024, 08:56:01 AM
Post by: nigel on January 08, 2024, 09:07:07 AM
Certainly, we'd be Taking care of BusinessAWB is ok if you need someone to pick up the pieces.January window for me - Throw money at Man Utd for Wan-Bissaka, ship Duran out (sale or loan) and get Agent Martinez to have a word with Dybala. Done!AWB is dreadful I think. Carlos Cuellar esque on the ball
I’m ok with it, too.
In fact I Feel No Fret
Post by: dorsetvillian on January 08, 2024, 09:49:00 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 08, 2024, 09:53:53 AM
It looks like Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool will all strengthen this window. Hopefully, we can too.This is where FFP kicks in to protect the established top 6 and make life incredibly hard for pretenders like us and Newcastle.
Post by: lovejoy on January 08, 2024, 10:06:04 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 08, 2024, 10:20:14 AM
Also where the pausing of the ground expansion will seem short sighted in a few years.
Unless we're pausing for precisely that reason, to maintain revenue in the short term and strengthen now, rather than lowering commercial and ticket revenue for a couple of years.
Post by: Gareth on January 08, 2024, 10:25:39 AM
Also where the pausing of the ground expansion will seem short sighted in a few years.
Unless we're pausing for precisely that reason, to maintain revenue in the short term and strengthen now, rather than lowering commercial and ticket revenue for a couple of years.
Exactly, those that know the finances, that know the FFP position will have made the decisions…however unpopular that is with us that don’t know the finances intimately
Post by: Steve67 on January 08, 2024, 11:01:20 AM
Also where the pausing of the ground expansion will seem short sighted in a few years.
Unless we're pausing for precisely that reason, to maintain revenue in the short term and strengthen now, rather than lowering commercial and ticket revenue for a couple of years.
Exactly, those that know the finances, that know the FFP position will have made the decisions…however unpopular that is with us that don’t know the finances intimately
How about Francis, I know her intimately?
Post by: Risso on January 08, 2024, 11:04:50 AM
Also where the pausing of the ground expansion will seem short sighted in a few years.
Unless we're pausing for precisely that reason, to maintain revenue in the short term and strengthen now, rather than lowering commercial and ticket revenue for a couple of years.
Exactly, those that know the finances, that know the FFP position will have made the decisions…however unpopular that is with us that don’t know the finances intimately
A reduction in income because of a ground expansion would be disregarded as an exceptional event for FFP purposes, so it's not that.
Post by: Drummond on January 08, 2024, 11:11:31 AM
Also where the pausing of the ground expansion will seem short sighted in a few years.
Unless we're pausing for precisely that reason, to maintain revenue in the short term and strengthen now, rather than lowering commercial and ticket revenue for a couple of years.
Exactly, those that know the finances, that know the FFP position will have made the decisions…however unpopular that is with us that don’t know the finances intimately
A reduction in income because of a ground expansion would be disregarded as an exceptional event for FFP purposes, so it's not that.
Maybe they plan to put the North Stand prices up a gazillion percent first and then do it.
Post by: OCD on January 08, 2024, 11:13:08 AM
FFP effects the established teams as well. Arsenal signing Toney would be massive for them but they overspent in the summer and now can't afford him without first unloading a few.
Post by: OCD on January 08, 2024, 11:19:15 AM
In that case, someone like Frimpong would be a Cash upgrade with Konsa the defensive option.
I read yesterday that Juventus have been playing Iling-Junior at left back/left wing back when he has played. I'm wondering whether we might be thinking about having Moreno and Iling Junior as left back options next season and more solid right back options.
Post by: Rigadon on January 08, 2024, 11:47:27 AM
If you focus on the team initially resulting in a team that's qualifying for the Champions League every year, then your FFP ceiling ends up being far higher. Then when would be the time to develop the ground.
FFP effects the established teams as well. Arsenal signing Toney would be massive for them but they overspent in the summer and now can't afford him without first unloading a few.
Arteta keeps saying they can't buy anybody. Maybe it's a ploy to worry Toney / Brentford on the price.
Post by: Dave on January 08, 2024, 11:58:16 AM
Post by: Rigadon on January 08, 2024, 12:02:03 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 08, 2024, 12:05:03 PM
Reckon Brentford will be more than happy for Toney to stick around until the summer if nobody pays them stupid money for him.
Especially with Mbueno out injured and Wissa gone to AFCON. There's no way they'd willingly sell in this window if they're not offered massive money. There's been rumours for weeks now that Arsenal can't afford to buy anyone, although presumably that refers to players at the higher end of the market. And they've already got one player in on loan, so they're even restricted in what they can do there.
Post by: LeeB on January 08, 2024, 12:18:33 PM
Post by: Risso on January 08, 2024, 12:21:10 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 08, 2024, 12:27:51 PM
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Post by: Smithy on January 08, 2024, 12:34:49 PM
Is the quietest ever transfer window for possible links for us? I mean, there could be lots going on behind the scenes, but there's been virtually nothing anywhere in the press at all so far.
It does feel like the press has seen "Villa don't have much this window because of FFP" and have decided to focus on other teams as a result. The team in second place, with billionaire owners, SHOULD be getting linked to all sorts right now, which is why I think they "know" we don't have a lot to spend in Jan.
I'll be really disappointed if we don't bring in a backup for Ollie, at the VERY least. Even a short-term, cheap, option. Whatever. He's proven himself to be carved from granite so far in his Villa career, but one bad tackle and our luck could change easily.
All that said, we have made it our modus operandi in recent years to stay well below the radar on transfers until it's a done deal (or very close to it). It's entirely possible it'll be the same this month. Fingers crossed, Monchi has a couple of surprises for us!
Post by: Drummond on January 08, 2024, 12:35:27 PM
Emile Smith Rowe linked again.
Coutinho linked with Inter Miami.
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 08, 2024, 12:56:45 PM
Reckon Brentford will be more than happy for Toney to stick around until the summer if nobody pays them stupid money for him.Yep they are in danger of going down this year, which longer term would be a lot more financially harmful that not selling Toney short term. They’ll need his goals, if he comes back the same player.
Post by: OCD on January 08, 2024, 01:15:48 PM
Jonathan David linked again.
Emile Smith Rowe linked again.
Coutinho linked with Inter Miami.
The ESR story is probably the Arsenal media trying to sell players so they can bring in Toney.
Post by: Risso on January 08, 2024, 01:17:10 PM
Post by: DB on January 08, 2024, 01:35:16 PM
Reckon Brentford will be more than happy for Toney to stick around until the summer if nobody pays them stupid money for him.Yep they are in danger of going down this year, which longer term would be a lot more financially harmful that not selling Toney short term. They’ll need his goals, if he comes back the same player.
Toney has said he wants to repay the Manager and the fans for their support over last 8 months.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 08, 2024, 01:38:31 PM
Ngonge is the only one I've seen mentioned somewhat regularly since the window opened, but it doesn't sound very positive, and might not even be true.
I have seen quite a few articles where Crysensio Summerville (sp?) & Leeds answer a question that nobody has asked in relation to Villa apparently being interested.
If we want him, we will have to pay big because he is happy at Leeds is the general consensus, despite no proof being supplied that we are interested in the first place...
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 08, 2024, 01:39:51 PM
Jonathan David linked again.
Emile Smith Rowe linked again.
Coutinho linked with Inter Miami.
The ESR story is probably the Arsenal media trying to sell players so they can bring in Toney.
Good.
Fuck them.
And fuck him.
They, & he, had their chance & they said no.
So let them all rot with the choices they made & we can look elsewhere...
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 08, 2024, 01:43:52 PM
We dodged a bullet. He has hardly kicked a ball since we were in for him.Jonathan David linked again.
Emile Smith Rowe linked again.
Coutinho linked with Inter Miami.
The ESR story is probably the Arsenal media trying to sell players so they can bring in Toney.
Good.
Fuck them.
And fuck him.
They, & he, had their chance & they said no.
So let them all rot with the choices they made & we can look elsewhere...
Post by: AV84 on January 08, 2024, 01:47:49 PM
Unless of course we have genuinely expressed an interest.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 08, 2024, 01:56:12 PM
How much do we take from currently the cheapest stand in the ground with the poorest boxes? Enough to put off a transformational redevelopment?Also where the pausing of the ground expansion will seem short sighted in a few years.
Unless we're pausing for precisely that reason, to maintain revenue in the short term and strengthen now, rather than lowering commercial and ticket revenue for a couple of years.
Post by: brontebilly on January 08, 2024, 01:57:10 PM
January window for me - Throw money at Man Utd for Wan-Bissaka, ship Duran out (sale or loan) and get Agent Martinez to have a word with Dybala. Done!
AWB is dreadful I think. Carlos Cuellar esque on the ball
AWB was extremely highly rated when Man Utd snatched him off Palace, and he was one of the better players on the pitch when we played them Boxing Day - MUCH better than Cash imo, and he's always mentioned in transfer talk so sounds gettable. I think Unai would bring the best out in him.
Nah it’s quite well known that he struggles on the ball - good defensively, but not going forward. We don’t need that.
Don't even think he's good defensively. Woeful defending the back post when crosses come in, no appreciation of runners going behind him.
He's fine defending one on one the likes of Sterling trying to dribble past him but theres a lot more to modern full back play than that. Palace utterly mugged Man United off getting 50m or so for such a limited player.
Post by: Smithy on January 08, 2024, 02:18:02 PM
January window for me - Throw money at Man Utd for Wan-Bissaka, ship Duran out (sale or loan) and get Agent Martinez to have a word with Dybala. Done!
AWB is dreadful I think. Carlos Cuellar esque on the ball
AWB was extremely highly rated when Man Utd snatched him off Palace, and he was one of the better players on the pitch when we played them Boxing Day - MUCH better than Cash imo, and he's always mentioned in transfer talk so sounds gettable. I think Unai would bring the best out in him.
Nah it’s quite well known that he struggles on the ball - good defensively, but not going forward. We don’t need that.
Don't even think he's good defensively. Woeful defending the back post when crosses come in, no appreciation of runners going behind him.
He's fine defending one on one the likes of Sterling trying to dribble past him but theres a lot more to modern full back play than that. Palace utterly mugged Man United off getting 50m or so for such a limited player.
It's the classic tale of a team paying over the odds for a defender who - in their previous team - looked good while having do a LOT of defending. But is now in a team that does less defending and is expected to contribute far more going forward.
It's like with goalkeepers. The goalkeepers who make the "most saves" in the season are the keepers in goal for the bottom teams. Making the most saves doesn't make you the best keeper. Just the busiest. It's often same with defenders. Man Utd probably saw a raw-ish young defender, with plenty of pace, who had proven he was difficult to dribble past in his ONE full season in the premier league. The fact is, he had little else about his game and hasn't really improved at all. I'd be VERY disappointed if we brought him in.
If we're getting a right-back, I'd like a Moreno for the right. Your move Monchi.
Post by: Smirker on January 08, 2024, 02:44:21 PM
Post by: Smithy on January 08, 2024, 03:12:07 PM
Coots has scored 5 goals in 10 apps during his loan. Would you take him back for the run in? We might need him.
I would, but I also think the fact Emery let him go means there is zero chance of it happening. I do think he's precisely the sort of player you need when up against a low block while having all the possession, but I also think that ship has now sailed - his position in the Emery machine now belongs to Buendia. The fact he let Coutinho go AFTER Emi's knee injury says everything about his chances of coming back into the fold. A shame, I think.
I suspect we'll be doing everything we can to get Coutinho off the wage bill and as close to a FFP write-off as possible. He'll still have two years on his contract in May, so if we can get £10m for him, I think we'd take it.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 08, 2024, 03:12:35 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 08, 2024, 03:16:00 PM
I was very much in the "keep him" camp over the summer but once he picked up the injury in the Everton game I came to accept what everyone else had been saying, he's made of biscuits. No point keeping someone on presumably big wages if they can't stay fit for more than 2 games in a row.
Post by: TonyD on January 08, 2024, 04:56:23 PM
Post by: OCD on January 08, 2024, 04:57:00 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 08, 2024, 04:59:13 PM
How are our two new RBs settling in?just checked into The Belfry and will be using the Belair Nightclub this evening
Post by: Gareth on January 08, 2024, 05:06:00 PM
How are our two new RBs settling in?just checked into The Belfry and will be using the Belair Nightclub this evening
They can do the 1st part…might struggle with the 2nd part
Post by: VillaTim on January 08, 2024, 05:48:14 PM
i haven't been up since the late 80's , has anything changedHow are our two new RBs settling in?just checked into The Belfry and will be using the Belair Nightclub this evening
They can do the 1st part…might struggle with the 2nd part
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 08, 2024, 05:56:29 PM
i haven't been up since the late 80's , has anything changed
Thatcher's no longer the Prime Minister.
Post by: Beard82 on January 08, 2024, 05:59:58 PM
On the downside Marathon bars are now called Snickersi haven't been up since the late 80's , has anything changed
Thatcher's no longer the Prime Minister.
Post by: AV84 on January 08, 2024, 06:01:05 PM
Also, as far as LB goes, I know it's possible Digne will leave this window, or in the summer, but he and Moreno are both 30. Not that 30 is old for athletes these days, but if we're bringing in someone else, shouldn't they at least be a couple of years younger? (There might be nothing to this link, but we were definitely trying to replace Digne with a then 31 year old in the summer.)
Post by: Risso on January 08, 2024, 06:02:57 PM
Seeing some links to a LB, Spinazzollo from Roma this evening. He's 30 and out of contract in the summer. His agent has said he's definitely not renewing his Roma contract, but like several other "links" we've had lately, it sounds like someone trying to engineer a move and our name being thrown in to get someone else to bite.
Also, as far as LB goes, I know it's possible Digne will leave this window, or in the summer, but he and Moreno are both 30. Not that 30 is old for athletes these days, but if we're bringing in someone else, shouldn't they at least be a couple of years younger? (There might be nothing to this link, but we were definitely trying to replace Digne with a then 31 year old in the summer.)
Agreed. I guess if you can get somebody as good for a lot less than Digne is being paid, then it makes sense from an FFP perspective, but I thought the links to Acuna were a bit odd.
Post by: OCD on January 08, 2024, 06:09:30 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 08, 2024, 06:11:37 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 08, 2024, 06:11:39 PM
Agreed. I guess if you can get somebody as good for a lot less than Digne is being paid, then it makes sense from an FFP perspective, but I thought the links to Acuna were a bit odd.
I think Digne has played amazingly this season, and I'd hate to see him go in January, but in the summer I, like many others, thought we'd really miss Moreno. I can see why we might have been looking to bring in a cheaper option at that point, even if he was a bit older. Like I said though, Digne has had a fantastic season so far, and I think we'd have to be bringing in someone amazing, for half the price, to justify letting him go now.
I'm not sure what the academy players are like, but it feels like we sold the ones closest to the first team, and the ones left are a season or more away from breaking into the team. So would we be looking at having to buy 2 more LBs in a couple of seasons, with little to no resale value on the ones we have?
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2024, 06:13:15 PM
Digne has been excellent this season, seems a bit harsh to move him on, bit pointless?
Yep let’s fix areas where we have problems first. I get there’s an interrelationship due to FFP, but I wouldn’t want to lose Digne.
Post by: OCD on January 08, 2024, 06:14:48 PM
Post by: SteveN on January 08, 2024, 06:15:01 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 08, 2024, 06:20:28 PM
Spinazollo was great for Italy in the Euros until he got injured. He was a right footed left back so possibly being considered as a Cash and Moreno cover?
That wouldn't be a bad idea. If we could get him now and not have to wait until the summer, it could be a cheapish option to bolster the squad for the second half of the season. If we can't take him until the end of the season though you'd think we could do better over the summer.
Post by: AV84 on January 08, 2024, 06:23:22 PM
I don't see anyone being to break through in the next couple of seasons. The benchmark of the squad is getting higher and higher and it would take a real stand out talent coming through to be able to break into that.
I know it's not always the case but you'd think if we had anyone really special on the books at the moment they'd be in and around the team already. Other teams have used 16 and 17 year olds this season, albeit through absolute necessity. If we were ravaged by injury and suspension over the next few weeks, is there anyone there who we'd feel confident actually giving game time to? Kellyman was the only one looked like he might get a few minutes here and there but obviously he's out for a while now.
Post by: OCD on January 08, 2024, 06:41:12 PM
There's a few who have trained with the first team or have had England youth team call-ups but there's along way to go between that and breaking through to the first team.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 08, 2024, 06:57:12 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 08, 2024, 07:20:02 PM
Post by: Dave on January 08, 2024, 07:24:04 PM
call me old fashioned but i don't like the sound of a right footed left back
Like say, Paolo Maldini.
Post by: VillaTim on January 08, 2024, 07:25:04 PM
Left sided Centre Halfcall me old fashioned but i don't like the sound of a right footed left back
Like say, Paolo Maldini.
Post by: LeeB on January 08, 2024, 07:27:22 PM
Post by: OCD on January 08, 2024, 07:29:24 PM
Left sided Centre Halfcall me old fashioned but i don't like the sound of a right footed left back
Like say, Paolo Maldini.
Actually Paolo Maldini was originally right footed but worked so hard on his left foot that it became hard to tell. And he played at left back before moving to left centre back. Often mentioned as being one of the best ever left backs.
Post by: Dave on January 08, 2024, 07:31:07 PM
Left sided Centre Halfcall me old fashioned but i don't like the sound of a right footed left back
Like say, Paolo Maldini.
Only if you choose to ignore the first nine tenths of his career.
Post by: VillaTim on January 08, 2024, 07:35:27 PM
I was a right footed left back for Park Hall School, two Solihull Cups in 5 years if you please, 88-93.that settles it then ;D
Post by: Mister E on January 08, 2024, 07:45:26 PM
Coots has scored 5 goals in 10 apps during his loan. Would you take him back for the run in? We might need him.Still looking back? Meh.
Post by: paul_e on January 08, 2024, 07:48:33 PM
Still need to have a decent left though to have some threat with the runs Moreno makes.
Post by: eamonn on January 08, 2024, 08:32:16 PM
Digne has been excellent this season, seems a bit harsh to move him on, bit pointless?
Not if they only want half the wages. Digne is on loadsamoney.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 08, 2024, 08:45:45 PM
Digne has been excellent this season, seems a bit harsh to move him on, bit pointless?
Not if they only want half the wages. Digne is on loadsamoney.
Isn't he on about £125k a week? If we're moving players because we can't afford that, then we won't be competing for top 4 for very long.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 08, 2024, 08:47:15 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 08, 2024, 08:54:17 PM
Did he not want to go back to France I thought
He was on his way back to France at the end of the summer window. It's never been confirmed whether he wanted out, or that was his choice of destination when he was told the club wanted him out. Whatever it was, his attitude has been superb since the window closed and if it's a case of him wanting to go home, then I wouldn't begrudge him the move. If I had the choice though I'd be keeping him, at least until the summer. I'd imagine his season so far has added a bit to his value too.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 08, 2024, 08:59:14 PM
Post by: Ads on January 08, 2024, 09:01:59 PM
Left sided Centre Halfcall me old fashioned but i don't like the sound of a right footed left back
Like say, Paolo Maldini.
Only if you choose to ignore the first nine tenths of his career.
Philip Lahm another right footed no hoper who played regularly at left back. What did he ever win?
Post by: Dave on January 08, 2024, 09:10:03 PM
Left sided Centre Halfcall me old fashioned but i don't like the sound of a right footed left back
Like say, Paolo Maldini.
Only if you choose to ignore the first nine tenths of his career.
Philip Lahm another right footed no hoper who played regularly at left back. What did he ever win?
Yeah, there's loads of them. Zanetti, Zambrotta, Brehme, Fachetti...
I just picked the obvious one.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 08, 2024, 09:17:52 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 08, 2024, 10:11:35 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 08, 2024, 11:22:42 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 08, 2024, 11:30:59 PM
Ngonge is being linked with AC Milan now too.
Must share an agent with Bacuna.
Post by: VillaTim on January 08, 2024, 11:56:23 PM
Ngonge is being linked with AC Milan now too.He's starting to sound like the next Ravel Morrison
Post by: LeeB on January 09, 2024, 08:39:41 AM
Left sided Centre Halfcall me old fashioned but i don't like the sound of a right footed left back
Like say, Paolo Maldini.
Only if you choose to ignore the first nine tenths of his career.
Philip Lahm another right footed no hoper who played regularly at left back. What did he ever win?
Yeah, there's loads of them. Zanetti, Zambrotta, Brehme, Fachetti...
I just picked the obvious one.
.... LeeB...
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 09, 2024, 08:50:06 AM
Left sided Centre Halfcall me old fashioned but i don't like the sound of a right footed left back
Like say, Paolo Maldini.
Only if you choose to ignore the first nine tenths of his career.
Philip Lahm another right footed no hoper who played regularly at left back. What did he ever win?
Yeah, there's loads of them. Zanetti, Zambrotta, Brehme, Fachetti...
I just picked the obvious one.
.... LeeB...
One of the greats.
Post by: Smithy on January 09, 2024, 09:33:56 AM
Monchi will know Spinazzolo from his Roma days.
Literally the only thing I know about Spinazzolo is how good he was at the Euro 2020 tournament (before he did his achilles). He was really excellent. But I'm not sure we need another left-back, or should be looking to the future by converting left-backs to right-backs after their 30th birthday. If Digne was going, and we could get him on a free, then great.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 09, 2024, 10:25:05 AM
Ngonge is being linked with AC Milan now too.
I would imagine that is AC Milan trying to force the Duran deal more than anything...
Their wing forwards are stacked with top class quality.
Some speak in the media that we are in a race with ManU for Jonathan David from Lille.
He is a player that I mention quite regularly when people asked that daft question "but who is good enough to challenge Watkins?"
Especially when it was asked before this real consistent season that Watkins has had so far.
The David deal would seem strange though, considering he would cost a fair bit & the reason we sold Archer & kept Duran was due to the height difference between the two.
Think David is only 5'8", so about the same height as Archer.
Don't get me wrong, I think David could more than do a job, but going off Emerys actions regarding Archer & Duran, it would be a strange signing when we could have kept Archer for free...
Post by: Somniloquism on January 09, 2024, 10:41:17 AM
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The David deal would seem strange though, considering he would cost a fair bit & the reason we sold Archer & kept Duran was due to the height difference between the two.
An assumption or seen it written somewhere? I suspect we sold one and kept the other because of FFP myself as Duran's FFP is over three seasons so approx. 7 mil a season (in simple terms) where Archer's £18 mil is straight on the positive column for the next three years. Plus also Archer wanted main game time which he wasn't going to get at Villa still apart from Cup matches.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 09, 2024, 11:01:27 AM
QuoteThe David deal would seem strange though, considering he would cost a fair bit & the reason we sold Archer & kept Duran was due to the height difference between the two.
An assumption or seen it written somewhere? I suspect we sold one and kept the other because of FFP myself as Duran's FFP is over three seasons so approx. 7 mil a season (in simple terms) where Archer's £18 mil is straight on the positive column for the next three years. Plus also Archer wanted main game time which he wasn't going to get at Villa still apart from Cup matches.
Indeed, the Archer sale was way, way more about FFP than any physical attributes.
For the same reasons Chelsea are looking to sell a player who has started all matches this season bar one for them.
Post by: paul_e on January 09, 2024, 11:30:52 AM
Ngonge is being linked with AC Milan now too.
I would imagine that is AC Milan trying to force the Duran deal more than anything...
Their wing forwards are stacked with top class quality.
Some speak in the media that we are in a race with ManU for Jonathan David from Lille.
He is a player that I mention quite regularly when people asked that daft question "but who is good enough to challenge Watkins?"
Especially when it was asked before this real consistent season that Watkins has had so far.
The David deal would seem strange though, considering he would cost a fair bit & the reason we sold Archer & kept Duran was due to the height difference between the two.
Think David is only 5'8", so about the same height as Archer.
Don't get me wrong, I think David could more than do a job, but going off Emerys actions regarding Archer & Duran, it would be a strange signing when we could have kept Archer for free...
The bold bit is just weird. One of them is a full international with a pretty much 1 in 2 record of 3 1/2 seasons in Ligue 1, the other hadn't scored a top flight goal before this season. Archer may become a top striker but David already is one, they're not comparable.
Post by: Ads on January 09, 2024, 11:31:46 AM
Post by: AV84 on January 09, 2024, 12:32:54 PM
Ngonge is being linked with AC Milan now too.
I would imagine that is AC Milan trying to force the Duran deal more than anything...
Their wing forwards are stacked with top class quality.
Not sure about that. Ngonge seems to want to stay in Italy, so if there's anything going on there I'd guess it's his agent trying to manufacture a move to one of the bigger SerieA clubs. Force Fiorentina to make a move, maybe.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 09, 2024, 12:46:56 PM
QuoteThe David deal would seem strange though, considering he would cost a fair bit & the reason we sold Archer & kept Duran was due to the height difference between the two.
An assumption or seen it written somewhere? I suspect we sold one and kept the other because of FFP myself as Duran's FFP is over three seasons so approx. 7 mil a season (in simple terms) where Archer's £18 mil is straight on the positive column for the next three years. Plus also Archer wanted main game time which he wasn't going to get at Villa still apart from Cup matches.
I am about 75% sure I read it somewhere regarding options with height, but I may be mistaken.
The strikers that we were reported to be after at the time all had a bit of height about them, so it's probably more assumption than fact.
And the more I think, the less sure I am about that 75%, lol.
The FFP is a claim made by the club, but my trust in what they say lately is not 100%.
And while Im sure it does help, I don't think it's a sustainable way to run a club.
But thats a whole different discussion...
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 09, 2024, 12:57:27 PM
....it would be a strange signing when we could have kept Archer for free...
The bold bit is just weird. One of them is a full international with a pretty much 1 in 2 record of 3 1/2 seasons in Ligue 1, the other hadn't scored a top flight goal before this season. Archer may become a top striker but David already is one, they're not comparable.
A full international for Canada.
And it all depends on how one rates the French league to say whether French top flight football is stronger than the Championship, where Archers record is exceptional.
I don't disagree that David is already more developed than Archer, & one would expect that, being two years older, but I also think that under the right guidance, Archer could become Davids equal when he hits Davids current age...
I don't think that guidance is at Sheff U though...
But again, that is a whole different discussion & Im not sure I have the energy to argue with you today that they sky isn't blue, because it is more 75% Cyan with a 3% touch of magenta, 2% yellow & 3% black...
Post by: AV82EC on January 09, 2024, 12:58:55 PM
....it would be a strange signing when we could have kept Archer for free...
The bold bit is just weird. One of them is a full international with a pretty much 1 in 2 record of 3 1/2 seasons in Ligue 1, the other hadn't scored a top flight goal before this season. Archer may become a top striker but David already is one, they're not comparable.
A full international for Canada.
And it all depends on how one rates the French league to say whether French top flight football is stronger than the Championship, where Archers record is exceptional.
I don't disagree that David is already more developed than Archer, & one would expect that, being two years older, but I also think that under the right guidance, Archer could become Davids equal when he hits Davids current age...
I don't think that guidance is at Sheff U though...
But again, that is a whole different discussion & Im not sure I have the energy to argue with you today that they sky isn't blue, because it is more 75% Cyan with a 3% touch of magenta, 2% yellow & 3% black...
I think you’ve gone too heavy on the magenta there..<winky thing>
Post by: LeeB on January 09, 2024, 12:59:39 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 09, 2024, 01:21:57 PM
The French league is a lot stronger than the Championship any which way you look at it.
From what I have seen on BT / TNT, it's not as definitive as you make it out.
Sure, PSG, Monaco, Marseille, Lille would probably beat most Championship teams, although Leicester, Leeds, might give a couple of them a decent enough game, but the rest of the league is pretty average.
Technically gifted, but I think the faster paced Championship would give the majority of those other teams a run for their money...
...in my subjective humble opinion, of course.
Post by: Risso on January 09, 2024, 01:30:34 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 09, 2024, 01:43:37 PM
The French league is a lot stronger than the Championship any which way you look at it.
From what I have seen on BT / TNT, it's not as definitive as you make it out.
Sure, PSG, Monaco, Marseille, Lille would probably beat most Championship teams, although Leicester, Leeds, might give a couple of them a decent enough game, but the rest of the league is pretty average.
Technically gifted, but I think the faster paced Championship would give the majority of those other teams a run for their money...
...in my subjective humble opinion, of course.
If PSG played the likes of Sunderland (I could have chosen 90% of the league) week-in-week-out then they would win every game 6-0. There is a reason they don't.
Post by: paul_e on January 09, 2024, 01:48:11 PM
....it would be a strange signing when we could have kept Archer for free...
The bold bit is just weird. One of them is a full international with a pretty much 1 in 2 record of 3 1/2 seasons in Ligue 1, the other hadn't scored a top flight goal before this season. Archer may become a top striker but David already is one, they're not comparable.
A full international for Canada.
And it all depends on how one rates the French league to say whether French top flight football is stronger than the Championship, where Archers record is exceptional.
I don't disagree that David is already more developed than Archer, & one would expect that, being two years older, but I also think that under the right guidance, Archer could become Davids equal when he hits Davids current age...
I don't think that guidance is at Sheff U though...
But again, that is a whole different discussion & Im not sure I have the energy to argue with you today that they sky isn't blue, because it is more 75% Cyan with a 3% touch of magenta, 2% yellow & 3% black...
You really need to get over that, especially as you still don't understand what I was disagreeing with. I would say you should go and get some fresh air but your so thin-skinned the wind might be a bit dangerous.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 09, 2024, 01:57:19 PM
The French league is a lot stronger than the Championship any which way you look at it.
From what I have seen on BT / TNT, it's not as definitive as you make it out.
Sure, PSG, Monaco, Marseille, Lille would probably beat most Championship teams, although Leicester, Leeds, might give a couple of them a decent enough game, but the rest of the league is pretty average.
Technically gifted, but I think the faster paced Championship would give the majority of those other teams a run for their money...
...in my subjective humble opinion, of course.
If PSG played the likes of Sunderland (I could have chosen 90% of the league) week-in-week-out then they would win every game 6-0. There is a reason they don't.
Yes, because they are both based in different countries...
But isn't that about PSG what I said anyway?
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 09, 2024, 01:58:34 PM
....it would be a strange signing when we could have kept Archer for free...
The bold bit is just weird. One of them is a full international with a pretty much 1 in 2 record of 3 1/2 seasons in Ligue 1, the other hadn't scored a top flight goal before this season. Archer may become a top striker but David already is one, they're not comparable.
A full international for Canada.
And it all depends on how one rates the French league to say whether French top flight football is stronger than the Championship, where Archers record is exceptional.
I don't disagree that David is already more developed than Archer, & one would expect that, being two years older, but I also think that under the right guidance, Archer could become Davids equal when he hits Davids current age...
I don't think that guidance is at Sheff U though...
But again, that is a whole different discussion & Im not sure I have the energy to argue with you today that they sky isn't blue, because it is more 75% Cyan with a 3% touch of magenta, 2% yellow & 3% black...
You really need to get over that, especially as you still don't understand what I was disagreeing with. I would say you should go and get some fresh air but your so thin-skinned the wind might be a bit dangerous.
😂
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 09, 2024, 01:59:54 PM
The French league is a lot stronger than the Championship any which way you look at it.
From what I have seen on BT / TNT, it's not as definitive as you make it out.
Sure, PSG, Monaco, Marseille, Lille would probably beat most Championship teams, although Leicester, Leeds, might give a couple of them a decent enough game, but the rest of the league is pretty average.
Technically gifted, but I think the faster paced Championship would give the majority of those other teams a run for their money...
...in my subjective humble opinion, of course.
If PSG played the likes of Sunderland (I could have chosen 90% of the league) week-in-week-out then they would win every game 6-0. There is a reason they don't.
Yes, because they are both based in different countries...
But isn't that what I said anyway?
Strange post. It was pretty obvious the point I was making.
Post by: paul_e on January 09, 2024, 02:00:58 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 09, 2024, 02:03:00 PM
The French league is a lot stronger than the Championship any which way you look at it.
From what I have seen on BT / TNT, it's not as definitive as you make it out.
Sure, PSG, Monaco, Marseille, Lille would probably beat most Championship teams, although Leicester, Leeds, might give a couple of them a decent enough game, but the rest of the league is pretty average.
Technically gifted, but I think the faster paced Championship would give the majority of those other teams a run for their money...
...in my subjective humble opinion, of course.
If PSG played the likes of Sunderland (I could have chosen 90% of the league) week-in-week-out then they would win every game 6-0. There is a reason they don't.
Yes, because they are both based in different countries...
But isn't that what I said anyway?
Strange post. It was pretty obvious the point I was making.
And I don't disagree with that point.
Which is why I said it in the post you originally quoted...
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 09, 2024, 02:09:23 PM
The French league is a lot stronger than the Championship any which way you look at it.
From what I have seen on BT / TNT, it's not as definitive as you make it out.
Sure, PSG, Monaco, Marseille, Lille would probably beat most Championship teams, although Leicester, Leeds, might give a couple of them a decent enough game, but the rest of the league is pretty average.
Technically gifted, but I think the faster paced Championship would give the majority of those other teams a run for their money...
...in my subjective humble opinion, of course.
If PSG played the likes of Sunderland (I could have chosen 90% of the league) week-in-week-out then they would win every game 6-0. There is a reason they don't.
Yes, because they are both based in different countries...
But isn't that what I said anyway?
Strange post. It was pretty obvious the point I was making.
And I don't disagree with that point.
Which is why I said it in the post you originally quoted...
Ay? I agree with LeeB that the French league is significantly better than the Championship. You don't think that, so you can't be agreeing with me.
Anyway, like Risso said, I can't see us spending the money to bring in David in January, anyway.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 09, 2024, 02:10:53 PM
Post by: Risso on January 09, 2024, 02:14:46 PM
A bit out of date and I don't know exactly how they work it out but this looks about right in terms of the relative strengths of the teams in L1 and the championship - https://www.globalfootballrankings.com/compare?first=FrenchLigue1&second=EnglishLeagueChampionship
Well it's a year out of date for a start.
If you look at the Premier League rankings (against anybody really) they've got Palace ranked higher than Spurs. We're ranked higher than PSG as well. Some info on how they calculate their points would make it interesting, but as there's nothing it's a bit meaningless.
Post by: paul_e on January 09, 2024, 02:19:30 PM
A bit out of date and I don't know exactly how they work it out but this looks about right in terms of the relative strengths of the teams in L1 and the championship - https://www.globalfootballrankings.com/compare?first=FrenchLigue1&second=EnglishLeagueChampionship
Well it's a year out of date for a start.
If you look at the Premier League rankings (against anybody really) they've got Palace ranked higher than Spurs. We're ranked higher than PSG as well. Some info on how they calculate their points would make it interesting, but as there's nothing it's a bit meaningless.
Well yeah, I said it was out of date and that I don't know how they work it out so I agree, but my point was that if you look at how they had the teams ranked it seemed fair to me, with the french teams clearly crowding the top of the table.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 09, 2024, 02:20:46 PM
A bit out of date and I don't know exactly how they work it out but this looks about right in terms of the relative strengths of the teams in L1 and the championship - https://www.globalfootballrankings.com/compare?first=FrenchLigue1&second=EnglishLeagueChampionship
These are better because they explain why & how they are making those rankings...
They are using opta stats, by the looks of it.
https://theanalyst.com/eu/2023/09/who-are-the-best-football-team-in-the-world-opta-power-rankings/ (https://theanalyst.com/eu/2023/09/who-are-the-best-football-team-in-the-world-opta-power-rankings/)
https://theanalyst.com/eu/2023/01/power-rankings-your-club-ranked/ (https://theanalyst.com/eu/2023/01/power-rankings-your-club-ranked/)
By looking at those links, it actually backs up your point as there are less Championship clubs in the top 22 than in your link, so I am happy to concede that when it comes to these statistical analysis, the Championship is ranked lower than Ligue 1.
Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy watching the Championship over Ligue 1, but in terms of the above stats, etc, I accept that the Championship is rated lower than Ligue 1.
Post by: Dave on January 09, 2024, 02:24:01 PM
We're ranked higher than PSG as well
Guess one could argue that as we appear to be stronger than Newcastle this season and Newcastle have taken four points off PSG in their Champions League group, it's not *that* crazy a suggestion.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 09, 2024, 02:25:58 PM
Ay? I agree with LeeB that the French league is significantly better than the Championship. You don't think that, so you can't be agreeing with me.
Anyway, like Risso said, I can't see us spending the money to bring in David in January, anyway.
I know.
I understand what you are saying, but you chose to use purely PSG as the example.
And I didn't disagree with that because I wrote the same thing.
PSG would beat all of the teams in the Championship. As would Lille, Monaco, Marseille, most likely.
The rest, I think would probably be quite competitive.
I made a little joke about the countries.
It wasn't meant to be taken too seriously. I thought the obviousness of it made the joke obvious.
But I guess not...
Take a look at my post with the links to some stats comparing the two leagues though,& lets leave it there with a smile & a handshake... 👍
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 09, 2024, 02:31:41 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 09, 2024, 02:34:44 PM
Post by: Dave on January 09, 2024, 02:43:24 PM
I'd add Rennes and Lyon to that (even though both are having a poor season this year).
Nice and Lens have been decent for a few seasons now. But I think all this goes to show is that it's just like any other league. Teams get better and get worse, and it's pretty reductive to view any league as just "big team X and their seventeen pointless friends".
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 09, 2024, 02:49:51 PM
John Townley
@johntownley11
Aston Villa have signed highly-rated 16yo George Hemmings from Nottingham Forest. The midfielder - who has represented England at U16 level - will initially link up with the club's U18s.
Post by: paul_e on January 09, 2024, 02:55:51 PM
*STOP THE PRESS*
John Townley
@johntownley11
Aston Villa have signed highly-rated 16yo George Hemmings from Nottingham Forest. The midfielder - who has represented England at U16 level - will initially link up with the club's U18s.
Keep em coming, in the long term it's signings like this that will define how far we can go, if we can make a steady profit from kids like this and have a few break into the first team squad then we can save the big money for 'marquee' signings and let the squad depth develop more naturally.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 09, 2024, 03:08:24 PM
*STOP THE PRESS*
John Townley
@johntownley11
Aston Villa have signed highly-rated 16yo George Hemmings from Nottingham Forest. The midfielder - who has represented England at U16 level - will initially link up with the club's U18s.
Good news.
The more we can bring in, the better the likelihood of striking gold....
Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 09, 2024, 03:13:08 PM
Post by: Monty on January 09, 2024, 03:16:38 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 09, 2024, 03:16:54 PM
On the subject of young players anyone know how Rory Wilson is progressing? We bought him from Rangers in July 2022.
Scoring for fun, should probably go out on loan this month.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 09, 2024, 03:17:42 PM
George Hemmings is a tremendous name. Opened the batting for Surrey and England in the 1920s with Jack Hobbs. Explored the inner Amazon rainforest, now controversial for converting tribal leaders to Anglicanism. Invented an automatic shoeshining machine that put thousands of orphans out of work. Supporting character of an EM Forster novel about sadness. Invented the polo-neck.
He's been busy. When I was 16 I was too busy wanking for any of that stuff.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 09, 2024, 03:20:25 PM
On the subject of young players anyone know how Rory Wilson is progressing? We bought him from Rangers in July 2022.
Scoring a shit ton for our u18s...
16 goals with 1 assist in 11 games this season.
Overall at Villa, he has scored 31 goals & assisted 3, in 34 games.
Thats across, U18s, Premier League 2, Youth Cup & EFL Trophy.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 09, 2024, 03:21:39 PM
George Hemmings is a tremendous name. Opened the batting for Surrey and England in the 1920s with Jack Hobbs. Explored the inner Amazon rainforest, now controversial for converting tribal leaders to Anglicanism. Invented an automatic shoeshining machine that put thousands of orphans out of work. Supporting character of an EM Forster novel about sadness. Invented the polo-neck.
The woke hipsters of H&V will be tearing down his statue at the first opportunity, pausing not even for a second in gratitude for the polo-necks they all wear to their jazz basements. It makes me boil with rage. This country used to have a backbone. Fuck it all to hell.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 09, 2024, 03:30:22 PM
George Hemmings is a tremendous name. Opened the batting for Surrey and England in the 1920s with Jack Hobbs. Explored the inner Amazon rainforest, now controversial for converting tribal leaders to Anglicanism. Invented an automatic shoeshining machine that put thousands of orphans out of work. Supporting character of an EM Forster novel about sadness. Invented the polo-neck.
Strangled a prostitute in a Patrick Hamilton novel.
President of the Board of Trade in the 1929 Ramsay McDonald government.
Widely considered to be the Sixth Man in the Cambridge spy ring.
Early investor in canals.
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 09, 2024, 03:30:40 PM
Im not sure we’re signing anyone either. Which Im reasonably ok with. Even not including Mings and Beundia, we havent really had everyone firing and fit at the same time this season. If we can get Ramsey and Moreno back up to last seasons form, get Tielemans, Torres and Digne back, thats a pretty strong squad.
Archer’s gone and probably won’t be back, so probs need to let that one go.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 09, 2024, 03:32:24 PM
George Hemmings is a tremendous name. Opened the batting for Surrey and England in the 1920s with Jack Hobbs. Explored the inner Amazon rainforest, now controversial for converting tribal leaders to Anglicanism. Invented an automatic shoeshining machine that put thousands of orphans out of work. Supporting character of an EM Forster novel about sadness. Invented the polo-neck.
Strangled a prostitute in a Patrick Hamilton novel.
President of the Board of Trade in the 1929 Ramsay McDonald government.
Widely considered to be the Sixth Man in the Cambridge spy ring.
Early investor in canals.
Also invented the little blue bits that go in washing powder.
Post by: Monty on January 09, 2024, 03:41:23 PM
George Hemmings is a tremendous name. Opened the batting for Surrey and England in the 1920s with Jack Hobbs. Explored the inner Amazon rainforest, now controversial for converting tribal leaders to Anglicanism. Invented an automatic shoeshining machine that put thousands of orphans out of work. Supporting character of an EM Forster novel about sadness. Invented the polo-neck.
Strangled a prostitute in a Patrick Hamilton novel.
President of the Board of Trade in the 1929 Ramsay McDonald government.
Widely considered to be the Sixth Man in the Cambridge spy ring.
Early investor in canals.
Also invented the little blue bits that go in washing powder.
Won the Victoria Cross for singlehandedly razing the Boer settlement of Neuwillemsburg to the ground. Was the second-best chess player of the 1910s. Painted a nude portrait of Alice Keppel (suppressed).
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 09, 2024, 04:02:13 PM
Reading all this…its obviously very quiet on the signings front…
Im not sure we’re signing anyone either. Which Im reasonably ok with. Even not including Mings and Beundia, we havent really had everyone firing and fit at the same time this season. If we can get Ramsey and Moreno back up to last seasons form, get Tielemans, Torres and Digne back, thats a pretty strong squad.
Archer’s gone and probably won’t be back, so probs need to let that one go.
i thought if sheff utd got relegated that we're obligated to buy him back?
Post by: LeeB on January 09, 2024, 04:19:05 PM
George Hemmings is a tremendous name. Opened the batting for Surrey and England in the 1920s with Jack Hobbs. Explored the inner Amazon rainforest, now controversial for converting tribal leaders to Anglicanism. Invented an automatic shoeshining machine that put thousands of orphans out of work. Supporting character of an EM Forster novel about sadness. Invented the polo-neck.
Strangled a prostitute in a Patrick Hamilton novel.
President of the Board of Trade in the 1929 Ramsay McDonald government.
Widely considered to be the Sixth Man in the Cambridge spy ring.
Early investor in canals.
Also invented the little blue bits that go in washing powder.
Won the Victoria Cross for singlehandedly razing the Boer settlement of Neuwillemsburg to the ground. Was the second-best chess player of the 1910s. Painted a nude portrait of Alice Keppel (suppressed).
You've all got the wrong George Hemmings. This one led the disastrous merger of Britsh Motor Holdings and Leyland Motors, and pushed for the square steering wheel on the Allegro.
He retired after a spell on the British Board of Film Classification.
Duh.
Post by: Monty on January 09, 2024, 04:34:04 PM
George Hemmings is a tremendous name. Opened the batting for Surrey and England in the 1920s with Jack Hobbs. Explored the inner Amazon rainforest, now controversial for converting tribal leaders to Anglicanism. Invented an automatic shoeshining machine that put thousands of orphans out of work. Supporting character of an EM Forster novel about sadness. Invented the polo-neck.
Strangled a prostitute in a Patrick Hamilton novel.
President of the Board of Trade in the 1929 Ramsay McDonald government.
Widely considered to be the Sixth Man in the Cambridge spy ring.
Early investor in canals.
Also invented the little blue bits that go in washing powder.
Won the Victoria Cross for singlehandedly razing the Boer settlement of Neuwillemsburg to the ground. Was the second-best chess player of the 1910s. Painted a nude portrait of Alice Keppel (suppressed).
You've all got the wrong George Hemmings. This one led the disastrous merger of Britsh Motor Holdings and Leyland Motors, and pushed for the square steering wheel on the Allegro.
He retired after a spell on the British Board of Film Classification.
Duh.
No no, that was George Hewitt. George Hemmings was the guy who was meant to marry Virginia Woolf (née Stephens) but didn't because they were both gay, and in the end had an affair with Leonard Woolf before leaving to take over command from General Dyer after the Amritsar massacre. Never came back, died of yellow fever in Bangalore in 1933. Wrote a bitter satire of Empire called Infernal Calling, only published in 1973 by his illegitimate son Benjamin Clemming-Hemmings after a case at the Old Bailey about the Official Secrets Act.
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 09, 2024, 04:37:48 PM
Reading all this…its obviously very quiet on the signings front…
Im not sure we’re signing anyone either. Which Im reasonably ok with. Even not including Mings and Beundia, we havent really had everyone firing and fit at the same time this season. If we can get Ramsey and Moreno back up to last seasons form, get Tielemans, Torres and Digne back, thats a pretty strong squad.
Archer’s gone and probably won’t be back, so probs need to let that one go.
i thought if sheff utd got relegated that we're obligated to buy him back?
Im not sure we’re obliged to? But maybe your right?
Post by: nigel on January 09, 2024, 04:44:19 PM
George Hemmings is a tremendous name. Opened the batting for Surrey and England in the 1920s with Jack Hobbs. Explored the inner Amazon rainforest, now controversial for converting tribal leaders to Anglicanism. Invented an automatic shoeshining machine that put thousands of orphans out of work. Supporting character of an EM Forster novel about sadness. Invented the polo-neck.
Strangled a prostitute in a Patrick Hamilton novel.
President of the Board of Trade in the 1929 Ramsay McDonald government.
Widely considered to be the Sixth Man in the Cambridge spy ring.
Early investor in canals.
I thought it was rumoured to be Roger Hollis? Or was he the 5th?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 09, 2024, 04:49:16 PM
@FabrizioRomano
🟣🔵 Leonardo Spinazzola, not part of Aston Villa shortlist for January transfer window despite recent links.
Spinazzola, expected to leave Roma but #AVFC not working on this deal.
Post by: Drummond on January 09, 2024, 05:01:23 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 09, 2024, 05:03:28 PM
Post by: Risso on January 09, 2024, 05:06:40 PM
Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
🟣🔵 Leonardo Spinazzola, not part of Aston Villa shortlist for January transfer window despite recent links.
Spinazzola, expected to leave Roma but #AVFC not working on this deal.
Old Fab is going to be a busy man if he tweets everybody who Villa aren't going to be buying this January.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 09, 2024, 05:14:58 PM
George Hemmings is a tremendous name. Opened the batting for Surrey and England in the 1920s with Jack Hobbs. Explored the inner Amazon rainforest, now controversial for converting tribal leaders to Anglicanism. Invented an automatic shoeshining machine that put thousands of orphans out of work. Supporting character of an EM Forster novel about sadness. Invented the polo-neck.
He's been busy. When I was 16 I was too busy wanking for any of that stuff.
I suspect the same is true in the present day.
Post by: Monty on January 09, 2024, 05:18:44 PM
Hang on George Hemmings was a farm labourer who was convicted of stealing sheep and sent on the Marion on 7th June 1845 to Hobart and landed 15th September 1845 at Van Diemen's Land. He died 2 years later.
Never died, faked his own death, resurfaced years later under the guise of Jim 'Bonesaw' Mulligan, particularly cruel prospector who rose to the governorship of New South Wales in 1863.
Post by: Ads on January 09, 2024, 05:25:58 PM
Post by: Monty on January 09, 2024, 05:37:00 PM
Post by: Small Rodent on January 09, 2024, 05:45:16 PM
Never died, faked his own death, resurfaced years later under the guise of Jim 'Bonesaw' Mulligan, particularly cruel prospector who rose to the governorship of New South Wales in 1863.
Is he related to Mulligan Tyre, who they wrote a song about?
Post by: LeeS on January 09, 2024, 07:44:05 PM
Never died, faked his own death, resurfaced years later under the guise of Jim 'Bonesaw' Mulligan, particularly cruel prospector who rose to the governorship of New South Wales in 1863.
Is he related to Mulligan Tyre, who they wrote a song about?
No, that was Mr Ollingin
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 09, 2024, 11:07:44 PM
Reading all this…its obviously very quiet on the signings front…
Im not sure we’re signing anyone either. Which Im reasonably ok with. Even not including Mings and Beundia, we havent really had everyone firing and fit at the same time this season. If we can get Ramsey and Moreno back up to last seasons form, get Tielemans, Torres and Digne back, thats a pretty strong squad.
Archer’s gone and probably won’t be back, so probs need to let that one go.
You think Sheffield United will stay up?
Post by: Ads on January 10, 2024, 12:42:07 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 10, 2024, 02:46:59 AM
*STOP THE PRESS*
John Townley
@johntownley11
Aston Villa have signed highly-rated 16yo George Hemmings from Nottingham Forest. The midfielder - who has represented England at U16 level - will initially link up with the club's U18s.
Keep em coming, in the long term it's signings like this that will define how far we can go, if we can make a steady profit from kids like this and have a few break into the first team squad then we can save the big money for 'marquee' signings and let the squad depth develop more naturally.
Agree on this. the other avenue that we haven’t yet explored is signing young players but leaving them at their clubs for a season (or two). It strikes me as a good way to secure the best young players whilst allowing them to grow in environments they’re already thriving in. Championship clubs (and those abroad) will like it as they get the cash but keep the player for longer.
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 10, 2024, 06:36:08 AM
No not at all. I said to another poster, I didn't realise we were obliged to have him back if they go down.Reading all this…its obviously very quiet on the signings front…
Im not sure we’re signing anyone either. Which Im reasonably ok with. Even not including Mings and Beundia, we havent really had everyone firing and fit at the same time this season. If we can get Ramsey and Moreno back up to last seasons form, get Tielemans, Torres and Digne back, thats a pretty strong squad.
Archer’s gone and probably won’t be back, so probs need to let that one go.
You think Sheffield United will stay up?
Post by: sid1964 on January 10, 2024, 07:49:58 AM
FFP is making it so difficult for clubs to buy players, i wonder if clubs will start to push for a change in the rules?
Looks as though we are waiting for the Summer window to sign players.
Post by: Gareth on January 10, 2024, 08:00:30 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2024, 08:29:56 AM
SKY Transfer Deadline day show is going to be very quiet, seems as though no club apart from Spurs are spending any money
FFP is making it so difficult for clubs to buy players, i wonder if clubs will start to push for a change in the rules?
Looks as though we are waiting for the Summer window to sign players.
Generally I’m quite glad, I think it’s good for clubs to start having to think about the money they chuck around and actually use the resources at their disposal. Although hopefully the clubs who have abused it to date are punished.
That said, I think we’ll still see a signing or two.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 10, 2024, 08:33:10 AM
Wonder whether they will start doing that with FFP?
Post by: DrGonzo on January 10, 2024, 08:33:34 AM
Post by: Gareth on January 10, 2024, 08:39:28 AM
SKY Transfer Deadline day show is going to be very quiet, seems as though no club apart from Spurs are spending any money
FFP is making it so difficult for clubs to buy players, i wonder if clubs will start to push for a change in the rules?
Looks as though we are waiting for the Summer window to sign players.
Generally I’m quite glad, I think it’s good for clubs to start having to think about the money they chuck around and actually use the resources at their disposal. Although hopefully the clubs who have abused it to date are punished.
That said, I think we’ll still see a signing or two.
That’s the problem though isn’t it Paul, it’s not a level playing field, Everton got done, seems Forest are in their sights yet it’ll be 5 years to catch up with Man City etc. There needs to be a date in the season where all FFP positions are known and all penalties applied for clarity and fairness.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 10, 2024, 08:52:31 AM
This is exactly what FFP was designed to do. I don’t think clubs can complain, it’s there to stop clubs going into massive debt and being forced to wind up. It’s about time.
I think it was designed to entrench the same clubs at the top.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 10, 2024, 08:53:43 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2024, 09:02:08 AM
SKY Transfer Deadline day show is going to be very quiet, seems as though no club apart from Spurs are spending any money
FFP is making it so difficult for clubs to buy players, i wonder if clubs will start to push for a change in the rules?
Looks as though we are waiting for the Summer window to sign players.
Generally I’m quite glad, I think it’s good for clubs to start having to think about the money they chuck around and actually use the resources at their disposal. Although hopefully the clubs who have abused it to date are punished.
That said, I think we’ll still see a signing or two.
That’s the problem though isn’t it Paul, it’s not a level playing field, Everton got done, seems Forest are in their sights yet it’ll be 5 years to catch up with Man City etc. There needs to be a date in the season where all FFP positions are known and all penalties applied for clarity and fairness.
See I’m not convinced it’s not level as such. Everton was a single breach, that I think was essentially admitted to and pretty obvious. Citeh clearly dispute theirs and have lawyers all over it - which inevitably means a drawn out process. Hopefully at the end of it they’ll get an appropriate punishment. I think it’s a bit of a conspiracy theory that the rules only get applied on certain clubs - whereas the reality is the circumstances are different which results in different situations both in terms of the complexity of process and also any sanctions as a result.
Post by: Risso on January 10, 2024, 09:06:21 AM
Post by: Monty on January 10, 2024, 09:08:39 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 10, 2024, 09:09:53 AM
FFP is making it so difficult for clubs to buy players, i wonder if clubs will start to push for a change in the rules?
It’s a weird one, when tobacco sponsorship was banned the cigarette companies actually made more money as they could no longer spunk a fortune on sponsoring F1 or whatever. There’s a chance the owners are happy as long as the TV money continues to increase.
Post by: Risso on January 10, 2024, 09:11:07 AM
It's always harder to nail the kingpin than the kid dealing smack on the estate.
In this case it shouldn't be. All of the evidence is there, leaked contracts from whistleblowers with other entities that aren't Man City in various jurisdictions are in the public arena.
Post by: VillaTim on January 10, 2024, 09:13:00 AM
Not sure I agree Paul. They've very clearly broken the rules. Punish them accordingly, then let them takes years defending it if they wish. The way they're going about it now is all arse about face.exactly , Ci£y bought the big hitting barristers in to stall the process and in the meantime have won the treble etc and continued to hoover up players . A level playing field it certainly isn't
Post by: Monty on January 10, 2024, 09:14:02 AM
It's always harder to nail the kingpin than the kid dealing smack on the estate.
In this case it shouldn't be. All of the evidence is there, leaked contracts from whistleblowers with other entities that aren't Man City in various jurisdictions are in the public arena.
In no case should it be. Toto Riina boasted on tape about dissolving enemies in acid baths! But with being the kingpin come the resources to buy escapologist lawyers and extra-legal influence to make life difficult for the prosecutors.
Riina went down eventually, so it's not hopeless. But it does always take longer.
Post by: LeeB on January 10, 2024, 09:15:09 AM
It's always harder to nail the kingpin than the kid dealing smack on the estate.
In this case it shouldn't be. All of the evidence is there, leaked contracts from whistleblowers with other entities that aren't Man City in various jurisdictions are in the public arena.
I think the poster that suggested the transfer emargo is right, that's the way to get them, and tell them it's in place until they're ready to face the charges.
Post by: Monty on January 10, 2024, 09:16:58 AM
It's always harder to nail the kingpin than the kid dealing smack on the estate.
In this case it shouldn't be. All of the evidence is there, leaked contracts from whistleblowers with other entities that aren't Man City in various jurisdictions are in the public arena.
I think the poster that suggested the transfer emargo is right, that's the way to get them, and tell them it's in place until they're ready to face the charges.
That would encourage them to speed it up for sure.
Post by: LeeS on January 10, 2024, 09:42:59 AM
With the NFL, they review the Salary Cap each year and usually increase the amounts allowed.
Wonder whether they will start doing that with FFP?
I thought it did go up. Not yearly, but in line with revenue. So as the TV deals get renegotiated the pot gets bigger for each club.
Post by: Smithy on January 10, 2024, 10:32:25 AM
With the NFL, they review the Salary Cap each year and usually increase the amounts allowed.
Wonder whether they will start doing that with FFP?
I thought it did go up. Not yearly, but in line with revenue. So as the TV deals get renegotiated the pot gets bigger for each club.
It's slightly different. A salary cap is about how much you can spend. FFP is about how much you can lose. Technically, you can spend whatever you like, as long as it's paid for legitimately. So "increasing" the FFP allowance would simply mean "letting clubs lose more money" which I'm not sure is sustainable long-term for anyone.
The did increase the FFP allowances post-Covid, because clubs lost all gate receipts and associated match-day revenues - so they were "allowed" to lose a little more than normal. But it's not the case that they're allowed to lose more as the TV deals get bigger.
Post by: paul_e on January 10, 2024, 10:33:01 AM
With the NFL, they review the Salary Cap each year and usually increase the amounts allowed.
Wonder whether they will start doing that with FFP?
I thought it did go up. Not yearly, but in line with revenue. So as the TV deals get renegotiated the pot gets bigger for each club.
Nope, the numbers today are exactly the same as when it was announced.
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 10, 2024, 10:39:14 AM
It's always harder to nail the kingpin than the kid dealing smack on the estate.
This is the problem with letting state actors own football clubs. It suddenly stops being about sport and becomes about geopolitics.
It's an infection. The sooner it's eradicated, the better.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 10, 2024, 11:26:07 AM
Not sure I agree Paul. They've very clearly broken the rules. Punish them accordingly, then let them takes years defending it if they wish. The way they're going about it now is all arse about face.The evidence for some of the breaches is cast Iron, its the fact that they have included lots of less provable cases has played in the Lawyers hands.
No way is this a level playing field, for it to be level it has to be fair. Citeh are getting away with it.
What is even more concerning is that the Sports Media is carrying on as if nothing has happened.
Post by: Risso on January 10, 2024, 11:33:02 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 10, 2024, 11:53:42 AM
It’s a stupid way of trying to control Financial excess, if that was the original intention.With the NFL, they review the Salary Cap each year and usually increase the amounts allowed.
Wonder whether they will start doing that with FFP?
I thought it did go up. Not yearly, but in line with revenue. So as the TV deals get renegotiated the pot gets bigger for each club.
It's slightly different. A salary cap is about how much you can spend. FFP is about how much you can lose. Technically, you can spend whatever you like, as long as it's paid for legitimately. So "increasing" the FFP allowance would simply mean "letting clubs lose more money" which I'm not sure is sustainable long-term for anyone.
The did increase the FFP allowances post-Covid, because clubs lost all gate receipts and associated match-day revenues - so they were "allowed" to lose a little more than normal. But it's not the case that they're allowed to lose more as the TV deals get bigger.
A salary cap is far more effective and easier to manage but you have to have good governance in place which the Premier League severely lacks and we know that UEFA and FIFA are corrupt.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2024, 12:04:18 PM
Not sure I agree Paul. They've very clearly broken the rules. Punish them accordingly, then let them takes years defending it if they wish. The way they're going about it now is all arse about face.
I don’t think it’s that straightforward. Looking at the potential charges I don’t think you can do the punishment piecemeal and therefore if it’s a massive sanction I can understand that they want to be sure before levying it. Put it this way, if Citeh had done exactly the same as Everton I don’t doubt they’d have a 10 point deduction as well.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 10, 2024, 12:10:35 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 10, 2024, 12:20:46 PM
Mancini had two contracts. One from Manchester City for being their manager, another identical one from a UAE firm for unspecified consultancy. Something like £4m for three days work.
I'd have done it for much less, and without a great drop off in quality...
Post by: Beard82 on January 10, 2024, 12:40:18 PM
Basing it on revenue rather than affordability doesn't protect financial futures of clubs - with many of the richest funded by loans and able to stockpile the best talent.
Post by: Risso on January 10, 2024, 12:48:55 PM
Mancini had two contracts. One from Manchester City for being their manager, another identical one from a UAE firm for unspecified consultancy. Something like £4m for three days work.
I'd have done it for much less, and without a great drop off in quality...
Or you'd imagine, actual amount of work done.
Post by: Gareth on January 10, 2024, 12:52:06 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 10, 2024, 12:52:53 PM
Mancini had two contracts. One from Manchester City for being their manager, another identical one from a UAE firm for unspecified consultancy. Something like £4m for three days work.
I'd have done it for much less, and without a great drop off in quality...
Or you'd imagine, actual amount of work done.
Oh I'd have done an awful lot more; at least a week.
Post by: Smithy on January 10, 2024, 12:54:33 PM
Mancini had two contracts. One from Manchester City for being their manager, another identical one from a UAE firm for unspecified consultancy. Something like £4m for three days work.
Is that now an established fact? Or speculation? I've been keep to do some reading on what Man City, did, or didn't do, but everything I've seen so far appears to be guesswork. Clearly there is a lot of stuff to uncover, I just thought none of it was in the public domain yet?
Post by: Risso on January 10, 2024, 12:54:52 PM
Post by: Risso on January 10, 2024, 12:55:23 PM
Mancini had two contracts. One from Manchester City for being their manager, another identical one from a UAE firm for unspecified consultancy. Something like £4m for three days work.
Is that now an established fact? Or speculation? I've been keep to do some reading on what Man City, did, or didn't do, but everything I've seen so far appears to be guesswork. Clearly there is a lot of stuff to uncover, I just thought none of it was in the public domain yet?
Established facts, the contracts have been leaked and are online.
Post by: LeeS on January 10, 2024, 12:57:23 PM
With the NFL, they review the Salary Cap each year and usually increase the amounts allowed.
Wonder whether they will start doing that with FFP?
I thought it did go up. Not yearly, but in line with revenue. So as the TV deals get renegotiated the pot gets bigger for each club.
It's slightly different. A salary cap is about how much you can spend. FFP is about how much you can lose. Technically, you can spend whatever you like, as long as it's paid for legitimately. So "increasing" the FFP allowance would simply mean "letting clubs lose more money" which I'm not sure is sustainable long-term for anyone.
The did increase the FFP allowances post-Covid, because clubs lost all gate receipts and associated match-day revenues - so they were "allowed" to lose a little more than normal. But it's not the case that they're allowed to lose more as the TV deals get bigger.
I see the distinction you are making. My point was that if your revenue increases then, all things being equal, your losses decrease. Giving you greater headroom - greater spending power. The permitted loss can remain the same but you can spend more.
Post by: Drummond on January 10, 2024, 12:57:38 PM
I'd have done a job share with you for another week mate, imagine how much more consulting they'd have received then.
We'd have done a job for sure.
Post by: Risso on January 10, 2024, 12:59:00 PM
Mancini had two contracts. One from Manchester City for being their manager, another identical one from a UAE firm for unspecified consultancy. Something like £4m for three days work.
Is that now an established fact? Or speculation? I've been keep to do some reading on what Man City, did, or didn't do, but everything I've seen so far appears to be guesswork. Clearly there is a lot of stuff to uncover, I just thought none of it was in the public domain yet?
Established facts, the contracts have been leaked and are online.
It's all on Der Spiegl if you want to read about it.
Post by: TonyD on January 10, 2024, 01:15:28 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 10, 2024, 01:25:02 PM
Give Man City a transfer embargo suspension until this is all cleared up , might focus their mind
Yep. Great idea...
Post by: UK Redsox on January 10, 2024, 01:36:34 PM
Any sign of a RB?
Yep, some bloke called Derek Spiegl, according to Risso's post
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 10, 2024, 03:09:34 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 10, 2024, 03:10:50 PM
I'm still slightly miffed about Werner, if the links to us were true. I think his hardworking style would have suited us, but not sure of his goalscoring, which is what Spuds need, so hopefully it's a disaster!!
I'm fine with it, he works hard but appears to have two 50p pieces for feet.
Post by: AV84 on January 10, 2024, 03:26:52 PM
I'm still slightly miffed about Werner, if the links to us were true. I think his hardworking style would have suited us, but not sure of his goalscoring, which is what Spuds need, so hopefully it's a disaster!!
I quite liked the idea of him coming here but it seemed like a loan was the only offer on the table, which ruled us out. I think he could have been good here, but obviously hope he flops there.
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 10, 2024, 03:45:57 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 10, 2024, 03:46:48 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 10, 2024, 03:51:03 PM
Apparently we're asking for information of the current situation from the agent of Paulo Bybala. Other clubs also interested but it's a very interesting move if true.
i think he's exactly what we needs in terms of unlocking teams in a low block. would be incredible signing
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 10, 2024, 03:52:52 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on January 10, 2024, 03:55:28 PM
Good player but he sees quite a lot of the treatment table…that certainly used to be the case anyway.
Missed a few games this season with a suspension and a couple of injuries.
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 10, 2024, 03:56:40 PM
Good player but he sees quite a lot of the treatment table…that certainly used to be the case anyway.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/paulo-dybala/verletzungen/spieler/206050
yeah bloody hell. Missed 10 games this season, about half of last season and almost all of the season before
Post by: Monty on January 10, 2024, 04:03:46 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 10, 2024, 04:08:00 PM
I'd take him, he'd be a great option to throw in against teams sitting deep and at £11m it's a small enough fee that even if he struggles a little we'd still not be wasting a huge sum.
Post by: AV84 on January 10, 2024, 04:11:05 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 10, 2024, 04:16:03 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 10, 2024, 04:17:32 PM
I'd take him, he'd be a great option to throw in against teams sitting deep and at £11m it's a small enough fee that even if he struggles a little we'd still not be wasting a huge sum.
It's his wages that may kill any deal. He earns an absolute fortune even by PL standards.
EDIT: Ignore. €3m a year at Roma.
Post by: paul_e on January 10, 2024, 04:19:03 PM
Dybala is the one with the same two line tattoo as Zaniolo, right? Think I read he copied it from Zaniolo. Did they play together at Roma? Could we get another Diaby/Bailey thing happening, we bring in Dybala and it makes Zaniolo 10 times better?
Only for a few months and only when Zaniolo was recovering from 2 years of injury problems. However those 4, Watkins, Ramsey and Buendia looks like a hell of a set of attacking options if we can get them all somewhere near their best.
Post by: Monty on January 10, 2024, 04:19:29 PM
Dybala is the one with the same two line tattoo as Zaniolo, right? Think I read he copied it from Zaniolo. Did they play together at Roma? Could we get another Diaby/Bailey thing happening, we bring in Dybala and it makes Zaniolo 10 times better?
Honestly a front line of Diaby, Bailey, Zaniolo and Dybala in Villa shirts would be a pretty fucking surreal sight to see. Even if they're all underperforming.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 10, 2024, 04:25:03 PM
Dybala is the one with the same two line tattoo as Zaniolo, right? Think I read he copied it from Zaniolo. Did they play together at Roma? Could we get another Diaby/Bailey thing happening, we bring in Dybala and it makes Zaniolo 10 times better?
Honestly a front line of Diaby, Bailey, Zaniolo and Dybala in Villa shirts would be a pretty fucking surreal sight to see. Even if they're all underperforming.
Doesn't Dybala prefer to play on the right and cut in on his left, a bit like a certain L. Bailey and M. Diaby?
Post by: VillaTim on January 10, 2024, 04:25:06 PM
As you were.
Post by: AV84 on January 10, 2024, 04:35:51 PM
I always thought or presumed Dubala’s tattoo was the Argentina flag?
I'm sure I read somewhere that he saw someone who he played with that had it and liked it, so got the same one. I put 2 and 2 together and got Zaniolo.
Were we linked with Dybala in the summer? Why was I reading about his tattoos?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 10, 2024, 04:37:06 PM
I'm not seeing anything credible linking us to Dybala.
As you were.
Thanks for that, Columbo. Are you related to Monica Colombo at Corriere della Sera? She broke the story this morning.
Post by: Beard82 on January 10, 2024, 04:39:06 PM
I could get onboard with that
Post by: AV84 on January 10, 2024, 04:42:50 PM
I'm not seeing anything credible linking us to Dybala.
As you were.
I've seen him linked with Chelsea, Newcastle, Spurs, Man U, and us. I'm guessing it's because of this release clause, but a bit like Werner, I'd assume he'll be on the move somewhere before the end of the month.
Post by: LeeB on January 10, 2024, 04:44:33 PM
In for Zaha apparently accordingly to twitter.
I could get onboard with that
Yeah me too.
Post by: TelfordVilla on January 10, 2024, 04:44:52 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 10, 2024, 04:46:27 PM
I can't stand Zaha. Miserable looking cheat
Even better, gerrim in.
Post by: London Villan on January 10, 2024, 04:48:08 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 10, 2024, 04:49:03 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 10, 2024, 04:50:23 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2024, 05:12:24 PM
Post by: Monty on January 10, 2024, 05:13:58 PM
Dybala is the one with the same two line tattoo as Zaniolo, right? Think I read he copied it from Zaniolo. Did they play together at Roma? Could we get another Diaby/Bailey thing happening, we bring in Dybala and it makes Zaniolo 10 times better?
Honestly a front line of Diaby, Bailey, Zaniolo and Dybala in Villa shirts would be a pretty fucking surreal sight to see. Even if they're all underperforming.
Doesn't Dybala prefer to play on the right and cut in on his left, a bit like a certain L. Bailey and M. Diaby?
And, er, a certain N. Zaniolo, yeah. The greatest right side of all time!
Post by: LukeJames on January 10, 2024, 05:14:57 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 10, 2024, 05:16:51 PM
Emery wanted Zaha but Arsenal signed Pepe instead so there might be something in that one.
I really thought we'd be in for him last summer.
Post by: Dave on January 10, 2024, 05:23:22 PM
As does Dybala. Get em both in.
Dybala would feel very Coutinho-ey. He's only at Roma because if he could play regularly he'd be at a much bigger club. But he can't, so he isn't.
I'll be very excited for the games that he does play. But there probably wouldn't be many of them.
Post by: trinityoap on January 10, 2024, 05:27:05 PM
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Post by: brontebilly on January 10, 2024, 05:30:29 PM
I reckon he'll be a hit at Spuds.
It's a good deal for them for sure. But I just wonder if VAR has really hurt his game with teams like ours increasingly comfortable playing a high offside line. From memory he was constantly caught offside at Chelsea and going back to Leipzig hasn't been a success either. He needs the move to work.
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2024, 05:30:42 PM
As does Dybala. Get em both in.
Dybala would feel very Coutinho-ey. He's only at Roma because if he could play regularly he'd be at a much bigger club. But he can't, so he isn't.
I'll be very excited for the games that he does play. But there probably wouldn't be many of them.
Agreed and probably why we won't go near him.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 10, 2024, 05:33:19 PM
Zaha would be an excellent signing if he's fit and the wages are manageable.
Given he plays in Turkey I can’t imagine he’s on PL wages. So we should be good there. He’s still got the ability to be a top player with bags of experience and savvy which comes in handy when you’re in a fight. I’d be up for it and he become unlikely besties with Tyrone in the process.
Post by: Monty on January 10, 2024, 05:36:11 PM
I reckon he'll be a hit at Spuds.
It's a good deal for them for sure. But I just wonder if VAR has really hurt his game with teams like ours increasingly comfortable playing a high offside line. From memory he was constantly caught offside at Chelsea and going back to Leipzig hasn't been a success either. He needs the move to work.
That's a really good point. Presumably Ol' Ange has done his homework and has a plan and all, but it's true that he's not exactly been ripping up trees in Saxony.
Post by: Smoke on January 10, 2024, 05:42:33 PM
I reckon he'll be a hit at Spuds.
It's a good deal for them for sure. But I just wonder if VAR has really hurt his game with teams like ours increasingly comfortable playing a high offside line. From memory he was constantly caught offside at Chelsea and going back to Leipzig hasn't been a success either. He needs the move to work.
That's a really good point. Presumably Ol' Ange has done his homework and has a plan and all, but it's true that he's not exactly been ripping up trees in Saxony.
Johan Lange you mean.
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Post by: Smirker on January 10, 2024, 06:11:32 PM
Zaha seems to be regarded by almost all right thinking supporters of whoever he is playing against as an odious shit.I would love him to play for us.
When we played Palace once, Zaha quickly turned and threw a punch at Mings in his stomach area and it was the most pathetic, shithouse thing I've ever seen. It still angers me now. I just thought who the fuck are you?
I'd have very little patience for him if we signed him. Wilf if you're reading this mate you've got a long way to go before Smirker from off the Internet thinks you've redeemed yourself. Win us the league and you can come round my house and punch me in my face though 8)
Post by: Goldenballs on January 10, 2024, 06:12:01 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 10, 2024, 06:14:21 PM
I can't stand Zaha. Miserable looking cheat
Even better, gerrim in.
:)
Post by: Dave on January 10, 2024, 06:16:47 PM
Zaha would be a perfect signing.
I dunno about perfect. I'd rather my wingers who rely on pace and trickery to be a bit younger than 31.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 10, 2024, 06:17:13 PM
Zaha would be a perfect signing.
Problem is he's only just signed for them. He may be happy there. Plus, he's 31, a few months younger than Danny Ings and will want at least a 3 year contract. That said Gala having signed him on a free might be willing to cash in.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2024, 06:17:15 PM
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Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2024, 06:21:21 PM
Post by: Dave on January 10, 2024, 06:24:38 PM
Pretty sure i read Emery wanted him at Arsenal, but the powers that be bought him some other bozo instead.
Nicolas Pepe for £70m. He was actually pretty decent under Emery, just fell off a cliff in his final season.
No prizes for guessing who he scored his first Arsenal goal against.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 10, 2024, 06:25:04 PM
Would we really go for Zaha now when we could have got him for nothing in the summer?
loan now I imagine and I doubt a huge fee if we signed him next summer.
Post by: OCD on January 10, 2024, 06:25:05 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 10, 2024, 06:31:49 PM
Would we really go for Zaha now when we could have got him for nothing in the summer?
loan now I imagine and I doubt a huge fee if we signed him next summer.
We can't have another loan.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 10, 2024, 06:32:30 PM
Didn't Dybala's wife throw some petrol on the fire? Something about when Martinez said he's been talking us up to Argentinian players, Ian Wright saying 'we' (the EPL) have tried to bring him in and his wife saying 'you didn't try hard enough'. Or should I stop eating cheese before I go to bed?
Yes but it was his girlfriend, Oriana Sabatini.
Post by: OCD on January 10, 2024, 06:35:51 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 10, 2024, 06:40:01 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 10, 2024, 06:46:13 PM
If we want a right back, Sacha Boey at Galatasaray is available but we need to move quick as PSG want him for €20m.
If we buy him and Zaha they might give us Zaniolo for free.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 10, 2024, 06:57:38 PM
If we want a right back, Sacha Boey at Galatasaray is available but we need to move quick as PSG want him for €20m.
If we buy him and Zaha they might give us Zaniolo for free.
No idea if he's any good but must be decent if PSG want him and he wouldn't break the bank.
Post by: Risso on January 10, 2024, 07:04:15 PM
Would we really go for Zaha now when we could have got him for nothing in the summer?
Why would he be free? He signed a three year contract in Turkey I thought.
Post by: Dave on January 10, 2024, 07:05:58 PM
Would we really go for Zaha now when we could have got him for nothing in the summer?
Why would he be free? He signed a three year contract in Turkey I thought.
He *would have been* free if we'd signed him last summer.
Which we wouldn't have been able to. And definitely wouldn't be free now.
Post by: OCD on January 10, 2024, 07:13:10 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 10, 2024, 07:19:12 PM
Palace offered him huge money and he still turned them down.
He was clearly swayed by all those 'İstanbul is The New Cool' ads.
Post by: Dave on January 10, 2024, 07:23:02 PM
As per OCD above, Galatasaray are paying him less than Palace supposedly offered him to stay.
Post by: AV84 on January 10, 2024, 07:24:31 PM
We're in the best position at the moment, but I guess if he wants to play a lot and try to get back into the Germany squad, Spurs might be his best option.
Post by: OCD on January 10, 2024, 07:35:48 PM
One of the articles I read about Werner signing for Spurs says he turned us, and Man U, down. I know he was linked with us, and them, but no idea if there's any truth in that, in terms of us having actually made an offer.
We're in the best position at the moment, but I guess if he wants to play a lot and try to get back into the Germany squad, Spurs might be his best option.
We would have had to buy him outright to have been in for him. Even so, some people will always choose the London club. Especially if they've already lived there and could live in the area they lived in before.
Post by: AV84 on January 10, 2024, 07:48:51 PM
One of the articles I read about Werner signing for Spurs says he turned us, and Man U, down. I know he was linked with us, and them, but no idea if there's any truth in that, in terms of us having actually made an offer.
We're in the best position at the moment, but I guess if he wants to play a lot and try to get back into the Germany squad, Spurs might be his best option.
We would have had to buy him outright to have been in for him. Even so, some people will always choose the London club. Especially if they've already lived there and could live in the area they lived in before.
Oh that's right, I forgot about the loan thing.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 10, 2024, 08:34:25 PM
If we want a right back, Sacha Boey at Galatasaray is available but we need to move quick as PSG want him for €20m.
He is quality...
Post by: olaftab on January 10, 2024, 08:47:11 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 10, 2024, 08:49:40 PM
One of the articles I read about Werner signing for Spurs says he turned us, and Man U, down. I know he was linked with us, and them, but no idea if there's any truth in that, in terms of us having actually made an offer.Fuck him, he’s a lazy ****** who fancies rent free accommodation in London for few months. Just needs to remember his current club wanted to dump him as soon as possible.
We're in the best position at the moment, but I guess if he wants to play a lot and try to get back into the Germany squad, Spurs might be his best option.
Post by: manic-road on January 10, 2024, 08:54:31 PM
One of the articles I read about Werner signing for Spurs says he turned us, and Man U, down. I know he was linked with us, and them, but no idea if there's any truth in that, in terms of us having actually made an offer.
We're in the best position at the moment, but I guess if he wants to play a lot and try to get back into the Germany squad, Spurs might be his best option.
He'd probably get more game time at Spurs to be honest, the only thing I can remember about Werner is his constant mis-timed runs into offside positions.
Post by: Goldenballs on January 10, 2024, 08:57:39 PM
Zaha would be a perfect signing.
I dunno about perfect. I'd rather my wingers who rely on pace and trickery to be a bit younger than 31.
OK fair enough, maybe not perfect but would slot in and instantly improve us for the second half of the season. He'd help give us a real shot at top 3 or 4.
Post by: Dave on January 10, 2024, 08:58:00 PM
One of the articles I read about Werner signing for Spurs says he turned us, and Man U, down. I know he was linked with us, and them, but no idea if there's any truth in that, in terms of us having actually made an offer.
We're in the best position at the moment, but I guess if he wants to play a lot and try to get back into the Germany squad, Spurs might be his best option.
He'd probably get more game time at Spurs to be honest, the only thing I can remember about Werner is his constant mis-timed runs into offside positions.
He might, but slightly off the striker coming in from the left feels very much where Son's best position is.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 10, 2024, 11:41:43 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 11, 2024, 12:04:05 AM
Saha would be a brilliant signing. Yes please.
About 20 years ago maybe.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 11, 2024, 08:09:20 AM
Saha would be a brilliant signing. Yes please.
About 20 years ago maybe. He has only been gone half a season, no reason to assume he wont pick up where he left off.
He was great last season for Palace, and has been for several years.
Post by: Dave on January 11, 2024, 08:32:33 AM
Saha would be a brilliant signing. Yes please.
About 20 years ago maybe.
He was great last season for Palace, and has been for several years.
He has only been gone half a season, no reason to assume he wont pick up where he left off.
He was doing a funny. Saha is retired and last played about ten years ago.
Post by: Monty on January 11, 2024, 08:35:47 AM
Post by: baddowvillans on January 11, 2024, 08:39:35 AM
Dybala is the one with the same two line tattoo as Zaniolo, right? Think I read he copied it from Zaniolo. Did they play together at Roma? Could we get another Diaby/Bailey thing happening, we bring in Dybala and it makes Zaniolo 10 times better?
Honestly a front line of Diaby, Bailey, Zaniolo and Dybala in Villa shirts would be a pretty fucking surreal sight to see. Even if they're all underperforming.
And pretty high scoring in Scrabble points too!
Post by: frank black on January 11, 2024, 09:02:47 AM
Post by: London Villan on January 11, 2024, 09:06:51 AM
Callaghan and Sticks were signed in 1988/89 when we battling relegation...but one of them played a surprising role in the 1989/90 season. The other one ended up as a fat DJ in Kavos.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 11, 2024, 09:08:23 AM
Add Platt to our promotion push in 1988...
Callaghan and Sticks were signed in 1988/89 when we battling relegation...but one of them played a surprising role in the 1989/90 season. The other one ended up as a fat DJ in Kavos.
Didnt Callaghan have a bust up with a steward or something ?
Post by: WarszaVillan on January 11, 2024, 09:09:46 AM
Having witnessed us sign Cascarino, Callaghan and Ormandroyd (unless my memory is somewhat wanting?) in past windows, to assist with our title challenges. There’s a significant part of me that just wants us to crack on with what we’ve got.
Cascarino I agree with, although there were no windows then. Alternatively we added Saunders during our next title challenge season who made a huge difference.
Post by: frank black on January 11, 2024, 09:12:01 AM
Add Platt to our promotion push in 1988...
Callaghan and Sticks were signed in 1988/89 when we battling relegation...but one of them played a surprising role in the 1989/90 season. The other one ended up as a fat DJ in Kavos.
Guessed my memory may have been off.
Post by: London Villan on January 11, 2024, 09:13:12 AM
Post by: London Villan on January 11, 2024, 09:13:35 AM
Add Platt to our promotion push in 1988...
Callaghan and Sticks were signed in 1988/89 when we battling relegation...but one of them played a surprising role in the 1989/90 season. The other one ended up as a fat DJ in Kavos.
Guessed my memory may have been off.
It's your age.
Post by: frank black on January 11, 2024, 09:14:18 AM
Having witnessed us sign Cascarino, Callaghan and Ormandroyd (unless my memory is somewhat wanting?) in past windows, to assist with our title challenges. There’s a significant part of me that just wants us to crack on with what we’ve got.
Cascarino I agree with, although there were no windows then. Alternatively we added Saunders during our next title challenge season who made a huge difference.
Did we sign Cascarino when he was strike partnered with Teddy Sherringham ? If so we definitely signed the wrong un.
Post by: London Villan on January 11, 2024, 09:15:32 AM
Post by: VillaTim on January 11, 2024, 09:29:17 AM
Is that why he moved to Ibiza and became a DJAdd Platt to our promotion push in 1988...
Callaghan and Sticks were signed in 1988/89 when we battling relegation...but one of them played a surprising role in the 1989/90 season. The other one ended up as a fat DJ in Kavos.
Didnt Callaghan have a bust up with a steward or something ?
Post by: The Edge on January 11, 2024, 09:49:19 AM
Post by: Gareth on January 11, 2024, 09:53:30 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on January 11, 2024, 10:42:32 AM
I liked Zaha fine but, realistically, there's a reason he ended up where he did rather than at a top PL club or Juve or Bayern. A maverick talent who doesn't really play well with others. In the last couple of years, it's always been Eze who really stood out at Palace.
Agree on this
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 11, 2024, 11:01:45 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on January 11, 2024, 11:04:10 AM
It's worth factoring in the Emery effect into any potential transfer as I feel he can improve any player if they are willing to listen and learn.
Zaha is 31 though, I doubt he’s willing to change his whole approach at his age.
Post by: Risso on January 11, 2024, 11:31:57 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 11, 2024, 11:33:34 AM
Not sure a three year contract will be paying any dividends in the third year and will also use up a lot of future salary.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 11, 2024, 11:37:58 AM
I've resigned myself to the fact that we won't be bringing anybody in this January. When you accept it you won't have to bother watching the Sky reporter freezing his nadgers off outside Villa Park, where all the lights are off and the gates are padlocked!
This is the correct course of action.
Post by: Dave on January 11, 2024, 11:42:12 AM
Zaha on loan strikes me as a good deal but can we afford to jettison Lenglet or Zaniolo?
Why would Galatasaray want to loan him to us?
Post by: VillaTim on January 11, 2024, 11:46:50 AM
Post by: LeeS on January 11, 2024, 11:59:12 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 11, 2024, 12:12:16 PM
Zaha on loan strikes me as a good deal but can we afford to jettison Lenglet or Zaniolo?
Why would Galatasaray want to loan him to us?
Fair point. Clutching at straws but they failed to get out the champions league group so they might need to trim the wage bill until next season?
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2024, 12:30:14 PM
I've resigned myself to the fact that we won't be bringing anybody in this January. When you accept it you won't have to bother watching the Sky reporter freezing his nadgers off outside Villa Park, where all the lights are off and the gates are padlocked!
That's the way, then if we do get someone it's a bonus.
Plus it's easier to accept when we're ace as it is.
Post by: eamonn on January 11, 2024, 12:31:02 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 11, 2024, 12:42:45 PM
Does Zaha look any happier in Turkey? Many of us suffer from bitch-resting faces but he always looks as if he's actively annoyed. His poor old comrade Jordan Ayew just looks permanently jaded with life but at -least he doesn't perma-seethe.
I've got one of those faces. Unless I'm doubled over, laughing my guts up, my mother-in-law always thinks I've fallen out with the wife.
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2024, 12:54:14 PM
Does Zaha look any happier in Turkey? Many of us suffer from bitch-resting faces but he always looks as if he's actively annoyed. His poor old comrade Jordan Ayew just looks permanently jaded with life but at -least he doesn't perma-seethe.
My brother-in-law and his kids are big Palace fans and have met him a few times, by their accounts a genuinely lovely bloke off the pitch.
Zaha that is, not Paddy.
Post by: VillaTim on January 11, 2024, 01:09:58 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 11, 2024, 01:10:21 PM
£20M is the fee apparently.
We aren't the only ones interested though & he is much sought after by some of the top clubs across Europe...
Post by: Dave on January 11, 2024, 01:19:03 PM
Post by: OCD on January 11, 2024, 01:26:29 PM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 11, 2024, 01:36:44 PM
He's the lad who scored the winner against Man Utd in their Champions League group last year.
I will then add the obligatory "the next Zlatan"-moniker. We'll see but at least he seems to have the same self-confidence!
Post by: DB on January 11, 2024, 02:35:17 PM
Zaha and Dybala are both pie in the sky , i've seen no credible links and neither fit with the current approach.
Dybala’s release clause ends on the 15th, that’s only thing that could happen there.
Post by: VillaTim on January 11, 2024, 02:51:10 PM
wrong age / profile for us , enormous wages and Buendia will be back soonZaha and Dybala are both pie in the sky , i've seen no credible links and neither fit with the current approach.
Dybala’s release clause ends on the 15th, that’s only thing that could happen there.
Post by: paul_e on January 11, 2024, 02:52:24 PM
He's the lad who scored the winner against Man Utd in their Champions League group last year.
I will then add the obligatory "the next Zlatan"-moniker. We'll see but at least he seems to have the same self-confidence!
He looks like a superb player, he's got a rocket of a left boot with very little backlift, which is a sure sign of a player who will score a fuckton of goals, if he keeps his focus. I'd be all for it and generally if we can get players like him when they're 1-18 then they should be the priority.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 11, 2024, 03:17:47 PM
He's the lad who scored the winner against Man Utd in their Champions League group last year.
I will then add the obligatory "the next Zlatan"-moniker. We'll see but at least he seems to have the same self-confidence!
He looks like a superb player, he's got a rocket of a left boot with very little backlift, which is a sure sign of a player who will score a fuckton of goals, if he keeps his focus. I'd be all for it and generally if we can get players like him when they're 1-18 then they should be the priority.
Absolutely & 100% in agreement.
Part of the next step for us is to start investing in these "wonder-kids"...
Post by: AV84 on January 11, 2024, 03:21:06 PM
Would be pretty good window, I think. (Can replace Dybala with any of the other wingers we've been linked with, but price wise, he seems the best for FFP)
Post by: OCD on January 11, 2024, 03:22:47 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 11, 2024, 03:28:08 PM
The average age of our squad has gradually increased and I think we'll add some younger players in certain positions.
Yep, I do wonder though if it's partially intended with the hope that as the current first team edges towards retirement we'll get a better idea of who from the youth sides is going to be able to fill gaps. I think the 3 that left last summer were probably all unlucky to be getting to the edge of the first team a year or 2 too early but hopefully it will be a bit different for Feeney, Bogarde, Wilson, Kellyman, etc.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 11, 2024, 03:51:11 PM
wrong age / profile for us , enormous wages and Buendia will be back soonZaha and Dybala are both pie in the sky , i've seen no credible links and neither fit with the current approach.
Dybala’s release clause ends on the 15th, that’s only thing that could happen there.
How soon? I’ve heard a few people say this, but there doesn’t seem to be any evidence.
Post by: Ads on January 11, 2024, 03:52:35 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 11, 2024, 03:58:08 PM
wrong age / profile for us , enormous wages and Buendia will be back soonZaha and Dybala are both pie in the sky , i've seen no credible links and neither fit with the current approach.
Dybala’s release clause ends on the 15th, that’s only thing that could happen there.
How soon? I’ve heard a few people say this, but there doesn’t seem to be any evidence.
Listening to tanswell the other day he didn't seem to be sure that he'd be back this season at all
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 11, 2024, 04:21:55 PM
I have read today that we are interested in 18 year old "wonder-kid" Roony Bardghji from FC Copenhagen.
£20M is the fee apparently.
We aren't the only ones interested though & he is much sought after by some of the top clubs across Europe...
The sort of player that we should offer marginally less than market value on the condition that he stays in Copenhagen for this season and next. He’s unlikely to be ready immediately so 18-months development at a club where he is happy suits all parties.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 11, 2024, 04:33:04 PM
I have read today that we are interested in 18 year old "wonder-kid" Roony Bardghji from FC Copenhagen.
£20M is the fee apparently.
We aren't the only ones interested though & he is much sought after by some of the top clubs across Europe...
The sort of player that we should offer marginally less than market value on the condition that he stays in Copenhagen for this season and next. He’s unlikely to be ready immediately so 18-months development at a club where he is happy suits all parties.
Yeah, good idea.
It's what the likes of ManC do.
Post by: VillaTim on January 11, 2024, 04:42:56 PM
yeah , i saw him using the VR headset too, seems to be making good progress.wrong age / profile for us , enormous wages and Buendia will be back soonZaha and Dybala are both pie in the sky , i've seen no credible links and neither fit with the current approach.
Dybala’s release clause ends on the 15th, that’s only thing that could happen there.
How soon? I’ve heard a few people say this, but there doesn’t seem to be any evidence.
he should be back for the Final*
* (note i am careful to not stipulate which one)
Post by: TonyD on January 11, 2024, 05:27:05 PM
He’d score loads in our team.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 11, 2024, 05:36:54 PM
Zaha would be an awesome loan signing for the second half of the season.
He’d score loads in our team.
Think we would have to terminate another loan to do that.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2024, 05:41:21 PM
Zaha would be an awesome loan signing for the second half of the season.
He’d score loads in our team.
Think we would have to terminate another loan to do that.
yep
- Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time.
- The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time.
- Premier League clubs cannot loan to another Premier League club a player they have acquired in the same transfer
Post by: Londonvilla on January 11, 2024, 05:58:32 PM
Galatasaray do not want to sell Wilfried Zaha in January despite interest from Aston Villa, sources revealed to Turkish-Football.
https://turkish-football.com/galatasaray-respond-to-aston-villa-interest-in-wilfried-zaha/
Next.......Never wanted him anyway.
Post by: VillaTim on January 11, 2024, 06:09:09 PM
Post by: Londonvilla on January 11, 2024, 06:19:50 PM
not too many typo's or spelling mistakes in that article either . Could be genuine ;D
I hope they are wrong as he would add goals to our left side.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 11, 2024, 07:09:56 PM
Fuck these Fuckers ..
Post by: AV84 on January 11, 2024, 08:15:51 PM
I see the Sky tottenham transfer news are all wanking about Spurzzzz , I suppose they will still mention the injuries at the weekend too.
Fuck these Fuckers ..
Had anyone else signed anyone?
Post by: VillaTim on January 11, 2024, 08:22:54 PM
Not much action, very quietI see the Sky tottenham transfer news are all wanking about Spurzzzz , I suppose they will still mention the injuries at the weekend too.
Fuck these Fuckers ..
Had anyone else signed anyone?
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 11, 2024, 08:26:11 PM
I see the Sky tottenham transfer news are all wanking about Spurzzzz , I suppose they will still mention the injuries at the weekend too.
Fuck these Fuckers ..
Had anyone else signed anyone?
Not really.
Its actually amusing watching Sky Sports News attempting to create some excitement about in their regular transfer bits about a window where its pretty much only Spurs who have signed anyone & that was a just a mid table Serie A level defender & a Werner who has failed to deliver at his previous two clubs...
The biggest deals so far have been Sancho leaving & the incredible news that Dier has moved to Bayern Munich.
Which baffles the shit out of me. And my Sours supporting friends.
Unless they just want Kanes best mate to help him settle in Germany...
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 11, 2024, 08:26:36 PM
If we want a right back, Sacha Boey at Galatasaray is available but we need to move quick as PSG want him for €20m.
He is quality...
Arsenal also interested. Reports saying Galatasaray don't want to sell this window but would accept €25m. I'd hope Kamara would give him a call and tell him about life at Villa Park.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 11, 2024, 08:30:43 PM
If we want a right back, Sacha Boey at Galatasaray is available but we need to move quick as PSG want him for €20m.
He is quality...
Arsenal also interested. Reports saying Galatasaray don't want to sell this window but would accept €25m. I'd hope Kamara would give him a call and tell him about life at Villa Park.
They want Frimpong too if the media talk is anything to go by.
Not sure who I would want out of Boey or Frimpong tbh.
Maybe Boey, for FFP reasons...
Although I think Frimpong might be the better quality player overall, its just he would cost twice as much as Boey, who is quality...
Post by: AV84 on January 11, 2024, 08:32:10 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2024, 08:37:16 PM
If we want a right back, Sacha Boey at Galatasaray is available but we need to move quick as PSG want him for €20m.
He is quality...
Arsenal also interested. Reports saying Galatasaray don't want to sell this window but would accept €25m. I'd hope Kamara would give him a call and tell him about life at Villa Park.
If we signed Lucas Jager from Rheindorf Altach in Austria to go with him I'd be dancing in the streets.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 11, 2024, 08:37:55 PM
Post by: Richard on January 11, 2024, 08:49:17 PM
Zaha would be an awesome loan signing for the second half of the season.
He’d score loads in our team.
Think we would have to terminate another loan to do that.
yep
- Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time.
- The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time.
- Premier League clubs cannot loan to another Premier League club a player they have acquired in the same transfer
Is this not just the rule for loans between Premier League clubs though? Think it might be different if loaning from abroad.
Post by: OCD on January 11, 2024, 08:50:28 PM
I see the Sky tottenham transfer news are all wanking about Spurzzzz , I suppose they will still mention the injuries at the weekend too.
Fuck these Fuckers ..
Had anyone else signed anyone?
Not really.
Its actually amusing watching Sky Sports News attempting to create some excitement about in their regular transfer bits about a window where its pretty much only Spurs who have signed anyone & that was a just a mid table Serie A level defender & a Werner who has failed to deliver at his previous two clubs...
The biggest deals so far have been Sancho leaving & the incredible news that Dier has moved to Bayern Munich.
Which baffles the shit out of me. And my Sours supporting friends.
Unless they just want Kanes best mate to help him settle in Germany...
Kane doesn't seem to have had any problem settling going by what he's done for them.
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2024, 09:02:05 PM
Post by: CT Villan on January 11, 2024, 09:46:59 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 11, 2024, 10:23:22 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 11, 2024, 10:25:53 PM
They misheard him when he said he'd like a beer.
He then said cheers, and they got him an ex-Formula 1 driver.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 11, 2024, 10:34:04 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 11, 2024, 11:07:21 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 11, 2024, 11:10:55 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 11, 2024, 11:30:51 PM
If we want a right back, Sacha Boey at Galatasaray is available but we need to move quick as PSG want him for €20m.
He is quality...
Arsenal also interested. Reports saying Galatasaray don't want to sell this window but would accept €25m. I'd hope Kamara would give him a call and tell him about life at Villa Park.
If we signed Lucas Jager from Rheindorf Altach in Austria to go with him I'd be dancing in the streets.
He can definitely bomb forwards.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 12, 2024, 08:59:46 AM
I'd keep him until the summer
Post by: tomd2103 on January 12, 2024, 09:01:00 AM
If that is the case, then I just hope we can bring a RB in to bolster that area. That is the main priority for me. If having Lenglet and Zaniolo on loan prevents us getting another loan option in, then I would seriously consider the option of ending the latter's deal if possible so that we could potentially look at a forward option.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 12, 2024, 10:15:46 AM
Post by: LeeS on January 12, 2024, 10:46:24 AM
I will readily admit that I don't fully understand the intricacies of FFP, but accept that it is likely to mean that we are going to be hampered in what we do this window.
If that is the case, then I just hope we can bring a RB in to bolster that area. That is the main priority for me. If having Lenglet and Zaniolo on loan prevents us getting another loan option in, then I would seriously consider the option of ending the latter's deal if possible so that we could potentially look at a forward option.
I agree. All teams need new faces and fresh blood or they go stale. If we cant afford to buy anyone then we need to rotate out our loan players. Neither are exactly pulling up trees.
Post by: exigo on January 12, 2024, 11:20:24 AM
Post by: Gareth on January 12, 2024, 11:29:45 AM
Always remember Everton ‘qualifying’ and getting dumped out in the qualifiers by a very European savvy Villareal….
Post by: Dave on January 12, 2024, 11:42:51 AM
The caveat with Champions League qualification is don’t the team finishing 4th (or 5th if that materialises) have to play a two leg tie to get to the group stages and unlock the riches? So if we do go to get there we really need it to top 3 to unlock the finances for the summer window :-)
Always remember Everton ‘qualifying’ and getting dumped out in the qualifiers by a very European savvy Villareal….
Not anymore. Top four (or five next season, if that pans out) go straight to the league stage.
Post by: Gareth on January 12, 2024, 11:43:29 AM
The caveat with Champions League qualification is don’t the team finishing 4th (or 5th if that materialises) have to play a two leg tie to get to the group stages and unlock the riches? So if we do go to get there we really need it to top 3 to unlock the finances for the summer window :-)
Always remember Everton ‘qualifying’ and getting dumped out in the qualifiers by a very European savvy Villareal….
Not anymore. Top four (or five next season, if that pans out) go straight to the league stage.
Excellent- not that I’m counting any chickens:-)
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2024, 11:44:43 AM
Post by: Ads on January 12, 2024, 11:46:46 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 12, 2024, 12:31:35 PM
I will readily admit that I don't fully understand the intricacies of FFP, but accept that it is likely to mean that we are going to be hampered in what we do this window.
If that is the case, then I just hope we can bring a RB in to bolster that area. That is the main priority for me. If having Lenglet and Zaniolo on loan prevents us getting another loan option in, then I would seriously consider the option of ending the latter's deal if possible so that we could potentially look at a forward option.
I agree. All teams need new faces and fresh blood or they go stale. If we cant afford to buy anyone then we need to rotate out our loan players. Neither are exactly pulling up trees.
Lenglet has been OK so far and is probably going to be needed as the season progresses or until Tyrone Mings returns.
Zaniolo, for whatever reason, has contributed very little so far and I think it is unlikely that we would look to sign him permanently come the summer at this rate, so I would maybe look to end his loan (if possible) if there is a better option out there.
Post by: algy on January 12, 2024, 12:34:30 PM
It’s that weird massive league now isn’t it? Where you play 8 games I think?Yeah ... it'll be horrendous, and I expect will be heavily criticised. The fact is that it just doesn't work that well for football. I've run numerous table soccer tournaments using the swiss system, and whilst I'm personally a fan - it often comes in for heavy criticism, and most of the time that criticism is justified.
Worse still, table soccer is reasonably suited to on-the-fly fixtures since 'the next fixture' typically involves moving a distance of a few feet. Actual European football takes place across an entire continent, so there's a high chance it'll be an absolute nightmare for travelling supporters (maybe home supporters too).
That's before you get on to the criticism levelled at it as a system anyway - that it can be manipulated by a weaker player/team to work their own advantage. For example, if a team is losing 1-0 away at Manchester City at half time, there would be a case for saying that they should take the foot off the gas. That's because your future fixtures are decided by your league position, so a draw is likely to give you a stronger opponent than a defeat. And, assuming they go for 3pts for a win, you're incentivised to prioritise defeat+win over 2 draws. So in that instance, there's really little to be gained from exhausting yourself trying to get a goal back against Man City when you could just go easy, maybe shove on a few stiffs to rest your better players, and win the following game - over having 2 exhausting games which ultimately yield fewer points.
And whether teams actually use that method of manipulation or not is irrelevant, because people will notice the oddities pretty damn quickly anyway and it'll be put down to 'manipulation'. Any unlikely result will end up being fobbed off as intentional manipulation, and the whole thing will look like a complete farce. Which plays entirely in to the hands of these super league goons.
Post by: Dave on January 12, 2024, 12:36:46 PM
Zaniolo, for whatever reason, has contributed very little so far and I think it is unlikely that we would look to sign him permanently come the summer at this rate, so I would maybe look to end his loan (if possible) if there is a better option out there.
Unless he gets injured and doesn't play the required amount of matches, I'm pretty sure we will.
Post by: frank black on January 12, 2024, 12:44:12 PM
Zaniolo, for whatever reason, has contributed very little so far and I think it is unlikely that we would look to sign him permanently come the summer at this rate, so I would maybe look to end his loan (if possible) if there is a better option out there.
Unless he gets injured and doesn't play the required amount of matches, I'm pretty sure we will.
I suspect if we don’t want to sign him, he certainly won’t play the required games. Jury’s still out on him
Post by: dekko on January 12, 2024, 12:48:57 PM
It’s that weird massive league now isn’t it? Where you play 8 games I think?Yeah ... it'll be horrendous, and I expect will be heavily criticised. The fact is that it just doesn't work that well for football. I've run numerous table soccer tournaments using the swiss system, and whilst I'm personally a fan - it often comes in for heavy criticism, and most of the time that criticism is justified.
Worse still, table soccer is reasonably suited to on-the-fly fixtures since 'the next fixture' typically involves moving a distance of a few feet. Actual European football takes place across an entire continent, so there's a high chance it'll be an absolute nightmare for travelling supporters (maybe home supporters too).
That's before you get on to the criticism levelled at it as a system anyway - that it can be manipulated by a weaker player/team to work their own advantage. For example, if a team is losing 1-0 away at Manchester City at half time, there would be a case for saying that they should take the foot off the gas. That's because your future fixtures are decided by your league position, so a draw is likely to give you a stronger opponent than a defeat. And, assuming they go for 3pts for a win, you're incentivised to prioritise defeat+win over 2 draws. So in that instance, there's really little to be gained from exhausting yourself trying to get a goal back against Man City when you could just go easy, maybe shove on a few stiffs to rest your better players, and win the following game - over having 2 exhausting games which ultimately yield fewer points.
And whether teams actually use that method of manipulation or not is irrelevant, because people will notice the oddities pretty damn quickly anyway and it'll be put down to 'manipulation'. Any unlikely result will end up being fobbed off as intentional manipulation, and the whole thing will look like a complete farce. Which plays entirely in to the hands of these super league goons.
I dont think it'll be following exactly that kind of Swiss format. The fixtures are all drawn before the league begins, and you'll get one team at home and one team away from each pot.
Post by: Dave on January 12, 2024, 01:00:33 PM
Zaniolo, for whatever reason, has contributed very little so far and I think it is unlikely that we would look to sign him permanently come the summer at this rate, so I would maybe look to end his loan (if possible) if there is a better option out there.
Unless he gets injured and doesn't play the required amount of matches, I'm pretty sure we will.
I suspect if we don’t want to sign him, he certainly won’t play the required games. Jury’s still out on him
Agreed. But given he's played in five of the last six, it suggests that we have no issues using him in enough games to trigger the permanent signing, no?
Post by: dekko on January 12, 2024, 01:03:17 PM
Post by: Rigadon on January 12, 2024, 01:06:14 PM
Zaniolo, for whatever reason, has contributed very little so far and I think it is unlikely that we would look to sign him permanently come the summer at this rate, so I would maybe look to end his loan (if possible) if there is a better option out there.
Unless he gets injured and doesn't play the required amount of matches, I'm pretty sure we will.
I suspect if we don’t want to sign him, he certainly won’t play the required games. Jury’s still out on him
Agreed. But given he's played in five of the last six, it suggests that we have no issues using him in enough games to trigger the permanent signing, no?
Unless we are gearing up to send him back this month, you're probably right.
Post by: algy on January 12, 2024, 01:06:36 PM
Ah, you're right - just read about it on wikipedia.It’s that weird massive league now isn’t it? Where you play 8 games I think?Yeah ... it'll be horrendous, and I expect will be heavily criticised. The fact is that it just doesn't work that well for football. I've run numerous table soccer tournaments using the swiss system, and whilst I'm personally a fan - it often comes in for heavy criticism, and most of the time that criticism is justified.
Worse still, table soccer is reasonably suited to on-the-fly fixtures since 'the next fixture' typically involves moving a distance of a few feet. Actual European football takes place across an entire continent, so there's a high chance it'll be an absolute nightmare for travelling supporters (maybe home supporters too).
That's before you get on to the criticism levelled at it as a system anyway - that it can be manipulated by a weaker player/team to work their own advantage. For example, if a team is losing 1-0 away at Manchester City at half time, there would be a case for saying that they should take the foot off the gas. That's because your future fixtures are decided by your league position, so a draw is likely to give you a stronger opponent than a defeat. And, assuming they go for 3pts for a win, you're incentivised to prioritise defeat+win over 2 draws. So in that instance, there's really little to be gained from exhausting yourself trying to get a goal back against Man City when you could just go easy, maybe shove on a few stiffs to rest your better players, and win the following game - over having 2 exhausting games which ultimately yield fewer points.
And whether teams actually use that method of manipulation or not is irrelevant, because people will notice the oddities pretty damn quickly anyway and it'll be put down to 'manipulation'. Any unlikely result will end up being fobbed off as intentional manipulation, and the whole thing will look like a complete farce. Which plays entirely in to the hands of these super league goons.
I dont think it'll be following exactly that kind of Swiss format. The fixtures are all drawn before the league begins, and you'll get one team at home and one team away from each pot.
Think I might take issue with something calling itself a swiss system if it doesn't determine each round of fixtures by the results of the previous round, though. It's the defining feature of that system across every sport or game that uses it (chess/go/sumo wrestling/scrabble/badminton/... )
Post by: Dogtanian on January 12, 2024, 01:09:20 PM
Think I might take issue with something calling itself a swiss system if it doesn't determine each round of fixtures by the results of the previous round, though. It's the defining feature of that system across every sport or game that uses it (chess/go/sumo wrestling/scrabble/badminton/... )
Maybe it's called that because the whole plan is full of holes.
Post by: Dave on January 12, 2024, 01:16:29 PM
Has it been confirmed anywhere that there is a trigger after x games?
Depends what you mean by confirmed. We've not announced it on our website. But Turkish journalists who report on Galatasaray say that it becomes permanent with an additional fee of €22m if he plays 30 matches. So it's not exactly Football Insider style guesswork either.
He's currently on 21 I think, so I guess if he starts to disappear around March, then we can probably guess what's going on.
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2024, 01:29:11 PM
Agreed. But given he's played in five of the last six, it suggests that we have no issues using him in enough games to trigger the permanent signing, no?
That's a bit of a leap. Obviously there will come a time if the clause exists that a decision will have to be made, but until we're a game or two away from it, there's no need to not play him is there?
Post by: OCD on January 12, 2024, 01:55:56 PM
Has it been confirmed anywhere that there is a trigger after x games?
Depends what you mean by confirmed. We've not announced it on our website. But Turkish journalists who report on Galatasaray say that it becomes permanent with an additional fee of €22m if he plays 30 matches. So it's not exactly Football Insider style guesswork either.
He's currently on 21 I think, so I guess if he starts to disappear around March, then we can probably guess what's going on.
It could also be specific to Premier League games, rather than all competitions.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 12, 2024, 02:00:58 PM
Agreed. But given he's played in five of the last six, it suggests that we have no issues using him in enough games to trigger the permanent signing, no?
That's a bit of a leap. Obviously there will come a time if the clause exists that a decision will have to be made, but until we're a game or two away from it, there's no need to not play him is there?
I just don't see Emery being the type who is using him and then on game 28 thinking 'Nah'. I don't think he'd waste his time with him.
I'll now expect Olsen to be put on wide right on Zaniolo's potential 30th.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 12, 2024, 02:22:36 PM
Very difficult in Jan to get a player that will become a first teamer straight away with this very established group.
Get the likes of Pau, Tielimans , Digne fit and even get a sniff of Buendia before end of season could just be enough.
This is a tight group so we do not need any billy big bollocks coming in upsetting the squad.
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2024, 02:32:20 PM
I just don't see Emery being the type who is using him and then on game 28 thinking 'Nah'. I don't think he'd waste his time with him.
I'll now expect Olsen to be put on wide right on Zaniolo's potential 30th.
If money is as tight as we're led to believe, then he's going to have to consider if Zaniolo is going to be the best use of £20m, or could that money be better spent in the summer, when we'll know for certain if we've qualified for the Champions League or not. He might well decide that it is, but there will have to be discussions about it.
Post by: Dogtanian on January 12, 2024, 02:43:20 PM
We'll know then if we have champions league next season, and how much we'll have from the conference league too, plus the new Adidas deal kicks in. We're also more likely to sell someone in the summer if they want to go and we get the right offer.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 12, 2024, 02:49:57 PM
I just don't see Emery being the type who is using him and then on game 28 thinking 'Nah'. I don't think he'd waste his time with him.
I'll now expect Olsen to be put on wide right on Zaniolo's potential 30th.
If money is as tight as we're led to believe, then he's going to have to consider if Zaniolo is going to be the best use of £20m, or could that money be better spent in the summer, when we'll know for certain if we've qualified for the Champions League or not. He might well decide that it is, but there will have to be discussions about it.
Zaniolo hasn't convinced me sadly.
I had high hopes for him, but with the prices Galatasaray quoted when he was signed, I would be sending him back.
Especially if FFP is tight.
Post by: AV84 on January 12, 2024, 03:25:20 PM
We'd really be relying on everyone staying fit, and a few players that have been off the pace a bit, really stepping up in the second half of the season. Diaby, Zaniolo, and Ramsey, need to go up a gear or two. Luiz, Kamara, Bailey, Watkins, Torres and Konsa all need to stay fit AND continue the form they've been in.
All that is to say we might be alright with no new signings this window, but we're going to be relying on a lot of "luck" for the remainder of the season if we don't.
Post by: olaftab on January 12, 2024, 03:36:43 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 12, 2024, 03:37:57 PM
All that is to say we might be alright with no new signings this window, but we're going to be relying on a lot of "luck" for the remainder of the season if we don't.I don't think we can fix future bad luck in this window.
Post by: UK Redsox on January 12, 2024, 03:40:17 PM
Has it been confirmed anywhere that there is a trigger after x games?
What's snowboarding or skateboarding got to do with this ? ;) :)
Post by: Drummond on January 12, 2024, 03:42:04 PM
"We are recovering some players who were out from the beginning of the season until now, like Alex Moreno and Jacob Ramsey. I am very happy with the players, very happy. The commitment of the players is really good.
"Two are players who can leave: Callum Chambers and Bertrand Traore. They are two players that know their situation through different circumstances.
"There are other players that can leave and if they do, then we can think about adding one or two players.
"The players we have now, I want to support and help. We have to be demanding to increase the quality so it is not easy to get something in this transfer window."
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 12, 2024, 03:44:24 PM
So Unai has more or less confirmed that we are not looking to sign anyone in this window as he is content with his squad for now. I think that's a reasonable thing as I can't see a quality VFM signing that will catapult us to the League title.Or it might be I ain't telling you nosey f**kers till we actually sign anybody like before
Post by: AV84 on January 12, 2024, 03:44:58 PM
All that is to say we might be alright with no new signings this window, but we're going to be relying on a lot of "luck" for the remainder of the season if we don't.I don't think we can fix future bad luck in this window.
We can't future proof the squad for all eventualities, but we could, for example, recognise we've only got 1 RB and try to get some cover there. Or acknowledge that Durán is fine for 20 minutes here and there, but if Watkins got injured he's not going to lead the line for 2 or 3 games.
But, as pointed out above, it sounds like we're not doing any business this window, so all of this is pointless. And, to be fair, I'm sure they can see we need new players for these positions, and probably others, but January isn't the best time to get players, and long term we're probably better off waiting until the summer.
Post by: Drummond on January 12, 2024, 04:24:24 PM
If that's the case, then I'd expect a full back in the shape of Acuna and potentially a midfielder (a forward thinking one at a guess) because Iroegbunam might get more game time.
Post by: OCD on January 12, 2024, 04:26:50 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 12, 2024, 04:30:36 PM
I can accept & respect that...
Post by: jwarry on January 12, 2024, 05:01:37 PM
It's disappointing, but at least he is being honest with us.
I can accept & respect that...
Why is it disappointing? All clubs are fucked by FFP and those that take a risk are gambling big time. I’m happy if we sign no one but if we can ship out Calum and Beet then who knows we might get someone in, but it’s not disappointing
Post by: AV84 on January 12, 2024, 05:01:56 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 12, 2024, 05:14:19 PM
On transfers, Unai Emery said: "It is difficult. We are not very focused on the transfer window because we are second at the moment.
"We are recovering some players who were out from the beginning of the season until now, like Alex Moreno and Jacob Ramsey. I am very happy with the players, very happy. The commitment of the players is really good.
"Two are players who can leave: Callum Chambers and Bertrand Traore. They are two players that know their situation through different circumstances.
"There are other players that can leave and if they do, then we can think about adding one or two players.
"The players we have now, I want to support and help. We have to be demanding to increase the quality so it is not easy to get something in this transfer window."
I know there are language difficulties but Emery isn't shy about clarifying the situation with players not in his plans. He has been consistent with that since the Stevenage debacle early on. I'm assuming Hause is another one to go with . Chambers and Hause are second division players really, for the sake of his career Chambers should move on. Hause after his problems I'm not sure will be as keen to keep playing. Traore is out of contract in the summer so we could just release him really. Some waste of ability.
Just looking through the contract expiry list, Bailey could do with getting sorted. I think we might aswell hold onto the likes of the Donk now until the summer and definitely Digne too.
Post by: AV84 on January 12, 2024, 05:19:27 PM
Dendoncker you'd hope to get a bit of cash for. There were rumours of Everton being interested in him, but I'm guessing their situation is up in the air at the moment.
Felt like in the summer we were keeping Digne until we had a replacement in, whereas now it feels maybe like we can't buy a replacement until he goes, freeing up some money. Obviously that's an if, and I'd assume Emery is happy to keep him at least until the summer. He's been great all season.
Post by: Gareth on January 12, 2024, 05:37:35 PM
Post by: john e on January 12, 2024, 06:13:08 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 12, 2024, 06:16:57 PM
Do you think it’s that 10 point reduction for Everton that’s made everyone more serious about not breaking the rules
I think the ethical sides were already staying within the guidelines. But I am sure them getting hammered with a 10 point kick in the balls made even the most disciplined take notice a bit more.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 12, 2024, 06:20:28 PM
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2024, 06:36:18 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 12, 2024, 06:40:44 PM
Emi may be back sooner than expected because he's been seen walking round the place for a while and might therefore get back to running and stuff soon. Mings though, I reckon it won't be until September at least before he's back, maybe later if he doesn't get a pre-season.
Mings can come on for a few minutes and juggle the ball and go lie down.
https://x.com/catrinavfc/status/1744140831802409075?s=20
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 12, 2024, 06:47:58 PM
Has it been confirmed anywhere that there is a trigger after x games?
What's snowboarding or skateboarding got to do with this ? ;) :)
I think someone confused BMX with BHX.
Post by: SaddVillan on January 12, 2024, 06:50:02 PM
ASTON VILLA AND FFP: THE JACK GREALISH MONEY, CREATIVITY AND SELLING ACADEMY TALENT
Balancing newfound ambitions and living within their means have increasingly formed part of Aston Villa’s thinking of late. The desire to compete in the Champions League and match head coach Unai Emery’s expectations requires big money but is equally relative to commercial and revenue growth.
“The (player) sales have basically been to balance our FFP,” said Monchi, Aston Villa’s president of football operations. “Money does not rain in the Premier League. There are clubs with problems. There are rules and regulations. What we try is to be ambitious from sanity.”
Summer 2024 was gearing up to be a dangerous one, based on Premier League profit and sustainability rules — the division’s version of financial fair play (FFP). Villa had been largely covered by the £100million ($127.53m, €116.07m) sale of Jack Grealish in 2021, allowing them to comply with FFP over a three-year period.
Knowing the money received from Manchester City for Grealish could not last forever, Villa became mindful of shielding against FFP’s threat, accentuated by the necessity to upgrade their squad in line with Emery’s elevated standards. Action was needed in preparation for this upcoming summer.
Largely underpinned by the sale for Grealish, Villa raised £127million via player departures in 2021 and subsequently spent just one million more (£128m) on signings. Of that £128m, £88m was used on three attacking replacements to compensate for the void left by Grealish — Leon Bailey, Emiliano Buendia and Danny Ings. It is important to note those figures do not take into account amortisation, which is when transfer fees are spread over the length of the involved player’s contract.
“The Grealish sale allowed them to comply with FFP but allow them to back into the market,” says Kieran Maguire, a football finance lecturer at the University of Liverpool and host of The Price of Football podcast. “They spent £204million in 2021-22, which was more than any other club in the Premier League — the Grealish sale allowed them to do that. It allowed the club to transform itself.”
Grealish’s departure came two years after promotion back to the Premier League and at a critical juncture in deciding Villa’s short-term future.
“If they hadn’t been promoted in 2019, they could have gone the same way as Derby (who are now in League One, English football’s third tier, having been docked 21 points in 2021 for breaking financial rules),” says Maguire. “The 2019 play-off final (Villa’s 2-1 win over Derby) was without a doubt the most precarious game of football I can think of. Villa lost £69m in 2019 when they went up and then lost £100m in the first year in the Premier League, although that was Covid impacted. In the first two seasons in the Premier League, they lost £138m and would have lost the thick end of £100m in 2022 had it not been for Grealish.”
Villa’s uncertain financial state in the Championship would have fallen foul to FFP had they not sold Villa Park back to the owners for £56.7millions. Without selling the stadium and easing cashflow issues, they would have suffered serious ramifications during the promotion-winning 2018-19 campaign. Villa’s then chief executive Christian Purslow was generally accepted to have delivered shrewdly, pre-empting the issue and enabling co-owner Nassef Sawiris, who was new to working in football, time to learn.
Financial accounts for the 2021-22 year reported a small profit of £400,000, signalling an improvement on previous significant losses but still as a consequence of Grealish giving breathing space. Revenue fell slightly from £183.6million to £178.4m, largely as a result of finishing 14th in the Premier League under manager Steven Gerrard, three positions lower than the season before.
Crucially, Villa’s next set of financial accounts, which ended on June 30, 2023, should see revenue grow following a recent seventh-placed finish and qualifying for the Europa Conference League.
Villa have been entering into a bottleneck situation since Emery replaced Gerrard in October 2022, driven by the steep progress made on the pitch. Emery wanted to build a best-in-class mentality, which has needed to be matched across several off-field departments.
Senior figures involved in non-related footballing matters have told The Athletic that other aspects are having to play catch-up in mirroring the advancement shown under Emery’s leadership. This is reflected in recruitment, where Emery is not content with signing “second-rate” players for the sake of it.
It has meant that staying out of FFP trouble while providing for Emery has been a complex balancing act, exacerbated by the proposals to redevelop and expand Villa Park. While this would provide critical extra revenue in the long term, purse strings would have to be tightened in the immediacy.
Rebuilding Villa Park would have required a complete demolition of its North Stand in June this year and the initial plans incorporated a “world-class entertainment venue” known as “Villa Live”. Costs were roughly projected to be around £100million ($125m).
Since then, however, inflation has taken hold and, according to sources close to the project who agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity, costs have risen by tens of millions. “As with all projects, the quicker you do it, the cheaper it is,” said one source involved in the project’s logistical planning.
Other problems, such as the lack of transport and on-site parking around the stadium, required further feasibility studies. All of which proved excessive in both cost and in a competitive sense, playing in a temporary three-stand ground threatened to diminish the dominance Emery’s side have established at home. Optically, it would also appear jarring if Villa were missing a stand but playing in the Champions League — Europe’s premium club competition.
“It would be a bad idea to tear down one of our stands for two years playing like we are,” said president of business operations, Chris Heck.
The desire to placate the short-term targets and manage costs has contributed to the decision to pause the stadium redevelopment.
Villa’s recruitment strategy has been influenced in complying with FFP, indicating a gear shift.
Last January, there was an unequivocal belief that young midfielder Aaron Ramsey would not be sold. Yet, just a matter of months later, Villa declined Burnley’s opening loan-to-buy offer for Ramsey, changing tactics and instead proving willing to sell several academy graduates.
Youri Tielemans’ free-agent signing served as an upgrade to Emery and pushed Ramsey further down the pecking order. Villa noted the 20-year-old was now a player of value and helped to solve the problem of needing to sell a first-team player for big money, due to homegrown players registering as pure bookable profit on the financial books. Ramsey ended up joining Burnley in August in a £14million deal.
Ramsey’s departure created a ripple effect for fellow homegrown prospects. Villa then received £18.5million in pure bookable profit for Cameron Archer, who moved to Sheffield United. Jaden Philogene, who had been informed he was part of Emery’s squad this season, left for Hull City of the Championship on deadline day in September for £5m.
Rather than loaning out or retaining young players to provide squad depth, Villa now preferred to sell under the proviso of including a buy-back clause in those deals. From a financial perspective, they were able to monitor progress and possibly re-sign the players at a more suitable time, while alleviating short-term FFP fears.
Homegrown players sold
A Ramsey £14m
P Bidace £5m
C Archer £18.5m
K Davis £2m
Developmentally, the levels Emery expects from his squad are extremely high. This has meant, in some cases, certain players have needed to go elsewhere to play regularly to try to bridge the gap.
The buying club would have a greater desire to improve them as they would be properly theirs, as opposed to only being around for one year on loan. A counterpoint to this, however, is whether a young player would be better served in staying at Villa and learning under Emery as opposed to simply getting more minutes on the pitch in another side.
In total, Villa raised £33million in sales last summer but spent £80m. That figure does not account for Tielemans, who they didn’t pay a fee for after his Leicester City contract expired but who received a significant signing-on bonus and is now among the squad’s highest earners.
The sales of Grealish, last summer’s youngsters and then 18-year-old Carney Chukwuemeka to Chelsea the year before (£20million) have helped to balance the books, as well as removing Philippe Coutinho’s $135,000 a week salary off the wage bill. Coutinho’s departure subsequently set up the loans of Clement Lenglet and Nicolo Zaniolo.
Shifting expendable high earners was a key route to deliver on FFP.
Coutinho fell into the bracket, as did Lucas Digne, who was attracting interest from sides in Europe and Al Hilal in Saudi Arabia, who knew of Villa’s openness to moving him on. Digne is one of the highest earners at £120,000 a week and although he did not want to leave — as indicated by the left-back changing his shirt number at the start of this season to his preferred No 12 — Villa felt they could recruit a replacement at a cheaper cost. No deal for Digne materialised but he will form part of Villa’s thinking this upcoming summer.
Yet the inescapable feeling is that if the club want to continue spending big, they will likely need to move on a first-team player for substantial profit. Douglas Luiz or Boubacar Kamara would generate big money, and Villa may view selling one of those as a conducive method to further ease FFP concerns and free up funds for future purchases.
With that said, securing Champions League riches would increase the financial ceiling, accessing money that is ordinarily locked by FFP. Clubs who qualified for this season’s group stage received around £14million (€15.64m), with every win in that six-game first phase worth an extra £2.4m.
“The Champions League is transformational,” said Maguire, when speaking to The Athletic last April. “The Champions League would be worth £30million, minimum.”
Villa have looked at every way possible to increase revenue streams. This has included adding more hospitality areas around the stadium, controversial sponsorship deals and raising ticket prices — even the value of players’ family boxes went up significantly. Qualifying for the Champions League would aid revenue growth considerably, although it would not solve everything.
The club have aimed to generate more money through sponsorship deals and by working with more established partners. The front-of-match-shirt sponsorship with BK8, a betting company, was highly contentious within the fanbase but was by far the best financial deal Villa could get as Purslow tried to secure the highest amount of money to keep them progressing.
According to well-placed sources, it was worth 50 per cent more than their next best offer. A lucrative multi-year agreement with kit manufacturer Adidas was struck in the autumn, with Heck tasked with bringing in huge commercial partners.
Creativity has been the theme of Villa ensuring they stay in line with FFP.
Last summer’s window was regarded as a solid start, selling youngsters for full profit, but other measures are being taken to play catch-up with the top flight’s Champions League clubs.
Post by: AV84 on January 12, 2024, 06:55:26 PM
Dendoncker would depend if he thinks he has a way back into Belgium squad for Euros…if he does he might want to move…if a Luton or Forest came in with 3m I’d guess he would be gone
I'll swap him for Morgan Gibbs White or maybe that Doughty lad from Luton.
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2024, 07:03:21 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 12, 2024, 07:14:16 PM
It's disappointing, but at least he is being honest with us.
I can accept & respect that...
Yep. It's the hope that kills you!
Post by: OCD on January 12, 2024, 07:19:24 PM
The accounts due are to 31 May 2023, not 30 June.
There was a worse mistake than that earlier. They had it as J Ramsey being sold for £14m rather than A Ramsey.
Post by: LeonW on January 12, 2024, 07:32:55 PM
Here's a bit from The Athletic - apologies for it being so long, but stick within it - illustrates how much goes into balancing the books, squad development and FFP.
ASTON VILLA AND FFP: THE JACK GREALISH MONEY, CREATIVITY AND SELLING ACADEMY TALENT
Many thanks for posting, SaddVillian.
Reading this just cements in my mind that FFP really is primarily something to ensure the status quo remains the same.
Post by: SaddVillan on January 12, 2024, 07:41:58 PM
The issue of t FFP is becoming ever more apparent in this transfer window.
Only today Newcastle said they might have to sell one of their big hitters to fund summer transfers - and that's despite a turnover of £250m and the untold wealth of their owners.
Post by: AV84 on January 12, 2024, 08:00:37 PM
It's difficult, obviously, but if teams like us, Newcastle, Brighton etc can keep disrupting the "Top 6" it's possible a few of them will start to feel the pinch financially. Hopefully leading to a more level playing field.
Post by: brontebilly on January 12, 2024, 08:39:10 PM
Only today Newcastle said they might have to sell one of their big hitters to fund summer transfers - and that's despite a turnover of £250m and the untold wealth of their owners.
And that's after a season after they hit the expected financial holy grail of CL football. A couple of seasons maybe ahead of schedule and without the Robinho type signings.
Post by: garyellis on January 12, 2024, 08:41:59 PM
I wonder how long someone like Chelsea can stay in the Big 6, finance wise, if they don't qualify for Europe. This will be, probably, the second season they don't get European football. A lot of the big money sponsorship deals have clauses about two consecutive years with no Champions League. Spurs could be in the same position, depending on where they finish. Although they seem to be the only ones spending this month.Well both our owners and the Saudis knew the score when they invested. As I’ve said on numerous occasions you can only now spend within the rules. Both City and Chelsea have the shadow of future sanctions. There may well be a few twists in the tale to come.
It's difficult, obviously, but if teams like us, Newcastle, Brighton etc can keep disrupting the "Top 6" it's possible a few of them will start to feel the pinch financially. Hopefully leading to a more level playing field.
Post by: Baldy on January 12, 2024, 08:47:06 PM
The sooner the book is thrown at Man City the better. The rest of us are looking down the back of the sofa for 'loose change' whilst they cheat their way to trophies.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 12, 2024, 08:56:45 PM
It's disappointing, but at least he is being honest with us.
I can accept & respect that...
Why is it disappointing? All clubs are fucked by FFP and those that take a risk are gambling big time. I’m happy if we sign no one but if we can ship out Calum and Beet then who knows we might get someone in, but it’s not disappointing
Calm down, it's not like I said I want to take a shit on his lawn or anything.
It's always disappointing not being able to strengthen from a position of strength.
A RB would be nice for starters.
But like I said, I accept & respect the words coming from Emerys mouth because he is being honest with us...
That is the main takeaway from what I said.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 12, 2024, 08:59:30 PM
The accounts due are to 31 May 2023, not 30 June.
I think the were published in March last year.
Post by: eamonn on January 12, 2024, 09:48:27 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 12, 2024, 09:54:12 PM
Yeah, you've got nine months to file them.
Yes, I misread Risso’s post. Read ‘due are’ as ‘are due’.
Post by: Steve67 on January 12, 2024, 10:47:49 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 13, 2024, 03:45:48 AM
I presume they have factored in the loan and likely purchase of Zaniolo in terms of this years FFP?
The purchase wouldn’t be in the accounts as it hasn’t happened.
Post by: Mister E on January 13, 2024, 12:55:21 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 13, 2024, 01:02:26 PM
The Athletic article above talks about the possible need to sell a first-teamer. Whilst that is speculative, I'd rather we called in on McGinn as opposed to Kamara or Luiz - if we had to. Hope it remains just that: groundless speculation.
Same here. Or Tielemans.
The cost we paid for them, in contrast to what we could get for them in a sale should help navigate that FFP farce...
Post by: VillaTim on January 13, 2024, 01:03:21 PM
The Athletic article above talks about the possible need to sell a first-teamer. Whilst that is speculative, I'd rather we called in on McGinn as opposed to Kamara or Luiz - if we had to. Hope it remains just that: groundless speculation.more bollocks from The Athletic
Post by: Gareth on January 13, 2024, 02:17:01 PM
The Athletic article above talks about the possible need to sell a first-teamer. Whilst that is speculative, I'd rather we called in on McGinn as opposed to Kamara or Luiz - if we had to. Hope it remains just that: groundless speculation.more bollocks from The Athletic
Presume it was bollocks from Unai when he said the same thing in his press conference yesterday?
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 13, 2024, 02:22:56 PM
All clubs move players on when it makes sense to do so and rebuild and get better. Those great Man U sides under Ferguson reinvented themselves many times over and kept winning. We will need to do the same eventually.
Post by: robleflaneur on January 13, 2024, 02:38:09 PM
Lenglet won't be here and I'd be surprised if Emery didn't make a choice between Buendia and Zaniolo.A big reduction in the wage bill and no harm to the present first team squad.
Emery doesn't hoard players and there is always the possibility of a youngster replacing a more experienced and expensive back up option.
Post by: OCD on January 13, 2024, 02:45:56 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 13, 2024, 03:37:47 PM
except he didn't say that at allThe Athletic article above talks about the possible need to sell a first-teamer. Whilst that is speculative, I'd rather we called in on McGinn as opposed to Kamara or Luiz - if we had to. Hope it remains just that: groundless speculation.more bollocks from The Athletic
Presume it was bollocks from Unai when he said the same thing in his press conference yesterday?
Post by: VillaTim on January 13, 2024, 03:39:16 PM
Ndidi's contract runs out in the summer. Might be worth signing.Yep, think we will be looking at free transfers again similar to Tielemans & Kamara
Post by: AV84 on January 13, 2024, 03:46:22 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 13, 2024, 03:59:15 PM
Ndidi's contract runs out in the summer. Might be worth signing.Yep, think we will be looking at free transfers again similar to Tielemans & Kamara
If it’s players of that quality I’m all for it.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 13, 2024, 04:01:39 PM
The Athletic article above talks about the possible need to sell a first-teamer. Whilst that is speculative, I'd rather we called in on McGinn as opposed to Kamara or Luiz - if we had to. Hope it remains just that: groundless speculation.more bollocks from The Athletic
Presume it was bollocks from Unai when he said the same thing in his press conference yesterday?
It might be ballpark correct, but I don’t think it’s that specific. I doubt we’ll be selling players we’re keen to keep and see as an integral to the first team, unless the offers are obscene and we think we can replace at a net gain.
Post by: IFWaters on January 13, 2024, 04:25:10 PM
Yes Ndidi.Ndidi's contract runs out in the summer. Might be worth signing.Yep, think we will be looking at free transfers again similar to Tielemans & Kamara
If it’s players of that quality I’m all for it.
Post by: Gareth on January 13, 2024, 05:06:06 PM
He absolutely did but he didn’t put names on it for the sensationalism a journalist wouldexcept he didn't say that at allThe Athletic article above talks about the possible need to sell a first-teamer. Whilst that is speculative, I'd rather we called in on McGinn as opposed to Kamara or Luiz - if we had to. Hope it remains just that: groundless speculation.more bollocks from The Athletic
Presume it was bollocks from Unai when he said the same thing in his press conference yesterday?
"We are trying to keep to financial fair play while holding on to the best players in our squad," Emery admitted. "But of course we are not closed off to selling someone if a very good offer comes in.
Post by: VillaTim on January 13, 2024, 05:08:44 PM
So he didn't say it all . Every club is open to good offers . Every player is for sale at the right price, it's always been that way.He absolutely did but he didn’t put names on it for the sensationalism a journalist wouldexcept he didn't say that at allThe Athletic article above talks about the possible need to sell a first-teamer. Whilst that is speculative, I'd rather we called in on McGinn as opposed to Kamara or Luiz - if we had to. Hope it remains just that: groundless speculation.more bollocks from The Athletic
Presume it was bollocks from Unai when he said the same thing in his press conference yesterday?
"We are trying to keep to financial fair play while holding on to the best players in our squad," Emery admitted. "But of course we are not closed off to selling someone if a very good offer comes in.
Post by: Gareth on January 13, 2024, 05:34:30 PM
So he didn't say it all . Every club is open to good offers . Every player is for sale at the right price, it's always been that way.He absolutely did but he didn’t put names on it for the sensationalism a journalist wouldexcept he didn't say that at allThe Athletic article above talks about the possible need to sell a first-teamer. Whilst that is speculative, I'd rather we called in on McGinn as opposed to Kamara or Luiz - if we had to. Hope it remains just that: groundless speculation.more bollocks from The Athletic
Presume it was bollocks from Unai when he said the same thing in his press conference yesterday?
"We are trying to keep to financial fair play while holding on to the best players in our squad," Emery admitted. "But of course we are not closed off to selling someone if a very good offer comes in.
So he did say it, a journalist embellished it with a name but it was far from ‘bollocks’ as you called
Post by: VillaTim on January 13, 2024, 05:38:45 PM
No, not at all .So he didn't say it all . Every club is open to good offers . Every player is for sale at the right price, it's always been that way.He absolutely did but he didn’t put names on it for the sensationalism a journalist wouldexcept he didn't say that at allThe Athletic article above talks about the possible need to sell a first-teamer. Whilst that is speculative, I'd rather we called in on McGinn as opposed to Kamara or Luiz - if we had to. Hope it remains just that: groundless speculation.more bollocks from The Athletic
Presume it was bollocks from Unai when he said the same thing in his press conference yesterday?
"We are trying to keep to financial fair play while holding on to the best players in our squad," Emery admitted. "But of course we are not closed off to selling someone if a very good offer comes in.
So he did say it, a journalist embellished it with a name but it was far from ‘bollocks’ as you called
Post by: john e on January 13, 2024, 05:40:35 PM
Post by: Gareth on January 13, 2024, 05:42:27 PM
Pantomime seasons over chaps
Oh N……. :-)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 13, 2024, 06:34:48 PM
Pantomime seasons over chaps
Don't, they'll start arguing over who looks better dressed as a dame next.
Post by: john2710 on January 13, 2024, 06:59:03 PM
Whatever happens I trust the owners & Emery to make the right decisions. We are building something & we may have to sacrifice some players to continue building.
I think the points deduction for Everton may have made clubs more cautious.
Post by: garyellis on January 13, 2024, 09:19:13 PM
In the summer Bailey enters his final year & Luiz will have 2 years left. If we can't reach an agreement on extensions & good offers come in, then we will cash in.Everyone now play the game stick to the rules and then ask what are you doing about Manchester City?
Whatever happens I trust the owners & Emery to make the right decisions. We are building something & we may have to sacrifice some players to continue building.
I think the points deduction for Everton may have made clubs more cautious.
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 13, 2024, 09:21:32 PM
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Post by: Beard82 on January 13, 2024, 09:37:46 PM
Not necessarily all of them, but 1 or 2 wouldn't shock me. I wouldn't be too fussed with cash, digne or duran. I would be gutted with the any of those midfielders, but I wouldn't be shocked.
Post by: AV84 on January 13, 2024, 10:29:11 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 13, 2024, 10:36:36 PM
Thats on of my many issues with FFP. For example, it looks likely we have sold Archer, but will buy him back when Shef Utd go down. But effectively, its like remortgaging the house. I.e. in real terms we wont have made a profit, but well have spread his "value" over a contract.
Post by: clash city rocker on January 13, 2024, 11:10:45 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 14, 2024, 12:25:53 AM
So if we sign a player for say £40m does that act as a loss for FFP ? Would that player not be considered an asset ? Obviously brethren on here are better versed than I in understanding this and could maybe explain how it all works as there seem so many factors to FFP I just don't get.
Thick as shit layman here:
Depends on the length of his contract. So if it were a 4 year deal, then we have a -£10m loss for each year (that's without wages). That's why Chelsea were giving players 8 year contracts to spread that loss over multiple years. That is now banned although they can still give out the 8 year contract but the cost of the player can only be spread out over a maximum of 5 years. It's not retrospective, though.
Post by: Gareth on January 14, 2024, 11:50:16 AM
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Post by: Clampy on January 14, 2024, 11:57:04 AM
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on January 14, 2024, 12:00:52 PM
One player id like us to keep an eye on is Tom Fellows at Sandwell. Looks a very promising player whenever I've seen him.
Yeah, the stripey fans in the local reckon he’s a good’un.
Post by: Baldy on January 14, 2024, 12:03:09 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 14, 2024, 12:08:32 PM
One player id like us to keep an eye on is Tom Fellows at Sandwell. Looks a very promising player whenever I've seen him.
Yeah, the stripey fans in the local reckon he’s a good’un.
A goodfella?
Post by: AV84 on January 14, 2024, 12:30:04 PM
Recalled Kessler-Hayden from Plymouth…whether that is to loan him elsewhere for more starts, to sell or to have around for 2nd half of season as a right back squad option??
Plymouth must hate us lately.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 14, 2024, 12:31:15 PM
I havn't a clue about FPP. Is the fact the total value of our players must have increased by one or two hundred million over the last 18 months taken into consideration?no
Post by: OCD on January 14, 2024, 12:48:32 PM
I havn't a clue about FPP. Is the fact the total value of our players must have increased by one or two hundred million over the last 18 months taken into consideration?
Only by selling them.
Post by: paul_e on January 14, 2024, 12:49:26 PM
I havn't a clue about FPP. Is the fact the total value of our players must have increased by one or two hundred million over the last 18 months taken into consideration?
Only by selling them.
Yep, unti lthey're sold any increase in value is only theoretical so means nothing.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 14, 2024, 05:47:52 PM
In the summer Bailey enters his final year & Luiz will have 2 years left. If we can't reach an agreement on extensions & good offers come in, then we will cash in.Everyone now play the game stick to the rules and then ask what are you doing about Manchester City?
Whatever happens I trust the owners & Emery to make the right decisions. We are building something & we may have to sacrifice some players to continue building.
I think the points deduction for Everton may have made clubs more cautious.
yeah like how come Rodri never gets a booking for mouthing off at the ref all game .
Post by: eamonn on January 14, 2024, 06:40:49 PM
1. Luiz
2. Kamara
3. McGinn
4. Tielemans
5. Ramsey
6. Bailey
7. Diaby
8. Watkins
Only 6 can play at once. We ideally would have cover of equal or close to equal quality which is where we fall down compared to other teams at the top.
Our four remaining "second choices" aren't quite at the level required:
9. Dendoncker
10. Zaniolo
11. Duran
12. Traore (?)
Buendia is missing. He would probably be good enough to add to the initial 8 elite.
So I think we need another attacking option, and probably an upgrade to the Donk. Allowing him, Traore (and Chambers) to leave.
Defence is ok for me with the possible exception of getting proper competition in for Cash at RB. Konsa's ball-playing has come on leaps and bounds but I want him at CB, he's the best one we have alongside Torres.
Post by: Gareth on January 14, 2024, 07:09:13 PM
The bonus with Diego has got games so hopefully someone will come in in the summer and at least give us remaining book value so Unai can get one in who he wants.
Post by: Dave P on January 14, 2024, 07:09:28 PM
Post by: Villafirst on January 14, 2024, 07:14:15 PM
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 14, 2024, 07:30:57 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 14, 2024, 07:32:02 PM
We’re signing 18 year old Serbian right back Kosta Nedeljkovic for €9m apparently. Loaning him back to Red Star Belgrade for the rest of the season.
We know, Dave P just told us.
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 14, 2024, 07:32:57 PM
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Post by: Astnor on January 14, 2024, 07:37:50 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 14, 2024, 07:40:16 PM
back😳
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 14, 2024, 07:42:13 PM
We’re signing 18 year old Serbian right back Kosta Nedeljkovic for €9m apparently. Loaning him back to Red Star Belgrade for the rest of the season.
We know, Dave P just told us.
Presumably he’ll be known as Ned.
Post by: eamonn on January 14, 2024, 07:53:15 PM
Post by: Risso on January 14, 2024, 08:05:28 PM
Be brave. Shed Seven were (their first number one, this week!)
Menswe@r weren't.
Post by: Risso on January 14, 2024, 08:06:48 PM
£9m on a youth player being loaned back...hmmmm!
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 14, 2024, 08:29:36 PM
A right back.....yay!
£9m on a youth player being loaned back...hmmmm!
Isn’t this the kind of thing Chelsea, Man City etc. do all the time? Allowing us to get really talented young players for a little less money and ensuring they get plenty of games ahead of being ready for the future. Obviously we need ready to go talent also so we need both approaches. I’ll be very surprised if we don’t get at least one player in this window. We are lacking that spark right now between players not fit or on current form.
Post by: Dave P on January 14, 2024, 08:29:53 PM
FFS Dave P
😉
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 14, 2024, 08:42:27 PM
We’ve reportedly struck a deal with Red Star Belgrade for 18 year old right back Kosta Nedeljković. €9m is the fee and he’ll be loaned back for the season. Out of the blue and I’m not brave enough to start a thread for him yet.
That is interesting.
Something that a few of us on here were talking about wanting us to do recently...
Post by: eamonn on January 14, 2024, 08:45:22 PM
Be brave. Shed Seven were (their first number one, this week!)
Menswe@r weren't.
No, they were fucking awful. Sexual didn't go drinking with them, did he?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 14, 2024, 09:07:47 PM
A right back.....yay!
£9m on a youth player being loaned back...hmmmm!
He can't join us now as he's currently on loan until the end of the season. He's built like a brick out house, players bounce off him, plays more like a winger than a full back from the few clips I've watched. He seems to be a real big deal in his country which is surprising given the fact he's only 18.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 14, 2024, 09:10:17 PM
A right back.....yay!
£9m on a youth player being loaned back...hmmmm!
He can't join us now as he's currently on loan until the end of the season. He's built like a brick out house, players bounce off him, plays more like a winger than a full back from the few clips I've watched. He seems to be a real big deal in his country which is surprising given the fact he's only 18.
He has played a fair bit for a kid who has only just turned 18.
Few Champions League games too.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kosta-nedeljkovic/leistungsdaten/spieler/848682/plus/1?saison=ges (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kosta-nedeljkovic/leistungsdaten/spieler/848682/plus/1?saison=ges)
Post by: Steve67 on January 14, 2024, 09:35:19 PM
Post by: OCD on January 14, 2024, 09:51:13 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on January 15, 2024, 04:54:03 AM
https://x.com/footballreprt/status/1746727739787231242?s=46
Post by: Axl Rose on January 15, 2024, 06:29:13 AM
Having watched the video, I couldn't resist but to go and ask him about this player. First of all, he despises Savo, and brought him up immediately when I mentioned Villa. Second, he's a Liverpool fan, but I decided he's too big for me to kill. Third, he reckons the Red Star right back is a future star and a mixture of Dani Alves and Gary Neville 😂
I don't know what to think to be honest.
I can't say I liked the Serbian chap too much.
Post by: steamer on January 15, 2024, 07:09:42 AM
Post by: Mister E on January 15, 2024, 07:29:01 AM
Who, Dave P? Why?Presumably he’ll be known as Ned.We’re signing 18 year old Serbian right back Kosta Nedeljkovic for €9m apparently. Loaning him back to Red Star Belgrade for the rest of the season.We know, Dave P just told us.
Post by: AV84 on January 15, 2024, 10:24:28 AM
We’re signing 18 year old Serbian right back Kosta Nedeljkovic for €9m apparently. Loaning him back to Red Star Belgrade for the rest of the season.
We know, Dave P just told us.
Presumably he’ll be known as Ned.
Good luck to anyone trying to fit Nedeljkovic into a song.
Post by: Ads on January 15, 2024, 10:27:08 AM
I'm lucky enough to work with so many different professors from all over, and I know there's a Serbian chap that teaches Russian here. Although we've only ever exchanged morning greetings.
Having watched the video, I couldn't resist but to go and ask him about this player. First of all, he despises Savo, and brought him up immediately when I mentioned Villa. Second, he's a Liverpool fan, but I decided he's too big for me to kill. Third, he reckons the Red Star right back is a future star and a mixture of Dani Alves and Gary Neville 😂
I don't know what to think to be honest.
I can't say I liked the Serbian chap too much.
I think you've got to respect somebody whose bitterness lasts getting on for 30 years. Its petty things like that which makes the football world go round.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 15, 2024, 12:25:42 PM
I think they work hard on their image, as not to be liked.I have never met a nice one.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 15, 2024, 12:38:24 PM
Be brave. Shed Seven were (their first number one, this week!)
Menswe@r weren't.
No, they were fucking awful. Sexual didn't go drinking with them, did he?
Not guilty.
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2024, 12:56:04 PM
There I am, 17, intoxicated, an open book to impress. They were fucking shite, I was amazed they had any further success, they were the definition of 'landfill indie'.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 15, 2024, 12:58:58 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2024, 01:03:08 PM
I thought they did some decent songs…Chasing Rainbows, Going For Gold, Disco Down.
You're not helping the argument there bud.
Post by: Clampy on January 15, 2024, 01:04:30 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 15, 2024, 01:04:34 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2024, 01:04:57 PM
* I'm not.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 15, 2024, 01:05:32 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 15, 2024, 01:10:36 PM
I thought they did some decent songs…Chasing Rainbows, Going For Gold, Disco Down.
You're not helping the argument there bud.
It’s always the same on here, loads of music snobs. No one gives full credit to great artists like U2 and Coldplay……(runs off)
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 15, 2024, 01:12:23 PM
Highlights vs Man City. Romano now saying this deal is close
https://x.com/footballreprt/status/1746727739787231242?s=46
Fuck me....born in 2005
I am now actually prehistoric :(
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2024, 01:14:45 PM
It was two days before Oasis released their first single, which my mate had on demo and we were playing in the car on the way, but little did we know that record would open the doors for drek like Shed Seven, Elastica, Echobelly etc.. to have comparatively huge success to those that went before. I'd had enough within a year, found house music and never looked back.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 15, 2024, 01:18:34 PM
I saw Shed Seven at my first gig I attended supporting the The Charlatans.
There I am, 17, intoxicated, an open book to impress. They were fucking shite, I was amazed they had any further success, they were the definition of 'landfill indie'.
They were probably knackered after supporting The The and the Charlatans.
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2024, 01:23:44 PM
I saw Shed Seven at my first gig I attended supporting the The Charlatans.
There I am, 17, intoxicated, an open book to impress. They were fucking shite, I was amazed they had any further success, they were the definition of 'landfill indie'.
They were probably knackered after supporting The The and the Charlatans.
Fair point.
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 15, 2024, 01:39:47 PM
Post by: Gerrin on January 15, 2024, 01:40:49 PM
My band supported Shed Seven at the Institute on one of their greatest hits tours in about 2004 (I think it was) Disco Down is a good song.
Standby is a superb track.
Post by: Risso on January 15, 2024, 01:42:25 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2024, 01:44:23 PM
Post by: Risso on January 15, 2024, 03:08:40 PM
Post by: frank black on January 15, 2024, 03:10:03 PM
“You can’t get shitter than a thick Rick Witter”
I’m actually a fan of the band though, some decent tunes.
Post by: eamonn on January 15, 2024, 03:12:36 PM
My band supported Shed Seven at the Institute on one of their greatest hits tours in about 2004 (I think it was) Disco Down is a good song.
Who were you and where did you go ?
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2024, 03:13:30 PM
I mean, they're not going to appear on any Woofles or UKR end of year lists, but for sheer good fun indie bangers, they're great. If Chasing Rainsbows doesn't make you want to get your imaginary lighter out, you've no heart left!
It makes me want to get my lighter out but not for the same reason.
Post by: Gareth on January 15, 2024, 03:18:06 PM
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 15, 2024, 03:19:20 PM
My band supported Shed Seven at the Institute on one of their greatest hits tours in about 2004 (I think it was) Disco Down is a good song.
Who were you and where did you go ?
We were called The program and we went nowhere, unfortunately, whilst Editors and The Twang took off.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 15, 2024, 04:44:29 PM
This feels like having my style criticised by Wulvz fans.
Reading the last few pages I thought I'd been redirected to Hippies & Villains.
Post by: LukeJames on January 15, 2024, 04:56:12 PM
And they make weird films.I think they work hard on their image, as not to be liked.I have never met a nice one.
Post by: trinityoap on January 15, 2024, 05:09:02 PM
Post by: Clampy on January 15, 2024, 05:13:30 PM
I think they work hard on their image, as not to be liked.I have never met a nice one.
I've never met a nice South African
Post by: Dave P on January 15, 2024, 05:18:35 PM
Shed Seven are fucking great, Lee you cloth-eared dolt!
Shed Seven are great. I went to their album signing in Brum last week and they played a few songs. Met Rick Witter and had my photo with him.
Post by: Bad English on January 15, 2024, 06:15:08 PM
I'm with Lee on this.I mean, they're not going to appear on any Woofles or UKR end of year lists, but for sheer good fun indie bangers, they're great. If Chasing Rainsbows doesn't make you want to get your imaginary lighter out, you've no heart left!
It makes me want to get my lighter out but not for the same reason.
Post by: OCD on January 15, 2024, 07:19:25 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 15, 2024, 07:25:39 PM
Shed Seven are fucking great, Lee you cloth-eared dolt!
Shed Seven are great. I went to their album signing in Brum last week and they played a few songs. Met Rick Witter and had my photo with him.
I love Shed Seven, they are ace.
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2024, 07:38:08 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 15, 2024, 07:41:41 PM
If we are talking about Shed Seven this must have become the free transfer thread
I wouldn't mind if it were a Chelsea transfer thread as that's what they need to do.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 15, 2024, 07:51:55 PM
Romano now saying the fee for Nedeljkovic is some way below the reported £6.6m, that it's nearly done and that we're looking at making other signings for the future as well.
All sounds positive... 👍
Post by: AV84 on January 15, 2024, 07:56:27 PM
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Post by: Smithy on January 15, 2024, 09:11:40 PM
I could be wrong, and hopefully he turns out to be another Tino Livramento.
Post by: Risso on January 15, 2024, 09:12:58 PM
I'd worry if he's the back-up for right-back that we all think we need? I can't imagine Unai is planning to use him much in the second half of the season, and certainly not to step in and play regularly if Cash or Ezri got injured.
I could be wrong, and hopefully he turns out to be another Tino Livramento.
He's not planning on using him at all second half mate, we're loaning him straight back apparently.
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 15, 2024, 09:49:33 PM
Didn’t the NME pen the phrase
“You can’t get shitter than a thick Rick Witter”
I’m actually a fan of the band though, some decent tunes.
Standby is a ripper
Post by: LeonW on January 15, 2024, 09:50:08 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 15, 2024, 10:10:47 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 15, 2024, 10:16:02 PM
I'd worry if he's the back-up for right-back that we all think we need? I can't imagine Unai is planning to use him much in the second half of the season, and certainly not to step in and play regularly if Cash or Ezri got injured.
I could be wrong, and hopefully he turns out to be another Tino Livramento.
As pointed out he's staying where he is until the summer. I'd imagine he'll come in for pre season and they'll assess whether he can play in the first team or needs a loan spell. If he's good enough to go straight into the first team then great. I wouldn't be surprised to see a more established RB come in in the summer, and Cash's future might depend on how well the young lad does.
Post by: AV84 on January 15, 2024, 11:18:39 PM
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 15, 2024, 11:48:17 PM
Shed Seven ? I'd rather listen to S Club 7.
Wise words, don't stop movin'.
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2024, 11:50:10 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 15, 2024, 11:53:21 PM
S Club 6 these days
Think it's S Club (5) now.
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2024, 12:21:34 AM
S Club 6 these days
Think it's S Club (5) now.
Blimey.
Don't stop moving eh, need to take their own advice.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 16, 2024, 07:58:07 AM
Shed Seven ? I'd rather listen to S Club 7.
Wise words, don't stop movin'.
I’ll not have a word said against Rachel Stevens.
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 16, 2024, 08:43:50 AM
S Club 6 these days
Think it's S Club (5) now.
Blimey.
Don't stop moving eh, need to take their own advice.
Don’t want to bring the thread down but I think it’s because one of them died.
Anyway, back on topic, Shed Seven…
Post by: Dave P on January 16, 2024, 08:54:13 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/QFXYRbK/e76de46f-4ea0-466e-a2c1-974c9d0cd7f9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QFXYRbK)
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Post by: Risso on January 16, 2024, 08:56:21 AM
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 16, 2024, 09:00:36 AM
Post by: DB on January 16, 2024, 09:17:34 AM
Post by: Risso on January 16, 2024, 09:19:24 AM
So, no transfer news?
Don't be daft.
Post by: eamonn on January 16, 2024, 09:19:29 AM
So, no transfer news?
Dave P has scouted Rick Witter for us, he's going to provide competition for Matthew Cash til May at which point all parties will review the situation.
Post by: Dave P on January 16, 2024, 09:25:36 AM
So, no transfer news?
Dave P has scouted Rick Witter for us, he's going to provide competition for Matthew Cash til May at which point all parties will review the situation.
I was close to agreeing a fee, but now they have a number 1 album, his demands went up and the deal collapsed. I'll move on to Tim Burgess or Ian Brodie.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 16, 2024, 09:36:23 AM
Me and Rick Witter last week.
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It's lovely of you to take your nan out to gigs, Dave, but where's Rick Witter?
Post by: DB on January 16, 2024, 11:53:28 AM
So, no transfer news?
Dave P has scouted Rick Witter for us, he's going to provide competition for Matthew Cash til May at which point all parties will review the situation.
I would have High Hopes.for Witter if he came in.
Post by: Matt C on January 16, 2024, 12:06:25 PM
Anyway, back to Shed 7…
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 16, 2024, 12:20:42 PM
I think they work hard on their image, as not to be liked.I have never met a nice one.
I've never met a nice South African
You can't meet many, it's full of nice people.
I only really know farmers, farm workers, and scientists, but it has never really struck me as being somewhere more unpleasant than most places. The cities are horrible, but I think the same about cities in general. I'm off to Tzaneen in a couple of weeks to have a look at our new office there and do some training and I'm quite looking forward to the change of weather.
Post by: Jane on January 16, 2024, 12:29:11 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 16, 2024, 12:39:45 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on January 16, 2024, 12:44:33 PM
I think they work hard on their image, as not to be liked.I have never met a nice one.
I've never met a nice South African
You can't meet many, it's full of nice people.
I only really know farmers, farm workers, and scientists, but it has never really struck me as being somewhere more unpleasant than most places. The cities are horrible, but I think the same about cities in general. I'm off to Tzaneen in a couple of weeks to have a look at our new office there and do some training and I'm quite looking forward to the change of weather.
Post by: steamer on January 16, 2024, 12:54:17 PM
Nice part of the world, should be hot and steamy
Post by: eamonn on January 16, 2024, 02:29:58 PM
And the moon is full of rainbows
When it's summer in Siam
And we go through many changes
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 16, 2024, 04:06:53 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2024, 04:09:17 PM
Apparently we're interested in young Turk, Semih Kılıçsoy. He may only be 18 but looks like he'll be in the Euro 24 squad for his country.
Time is on his side.
Post by: john e on January 16, 2024, 04:11:54 PM
Apparently we're interested in young Turk, Semih Kılıçsoy. He may only be 18 but looks like he'll be in the Euro 24 squad for his country.
I bet his young heart will be feeling free tonight
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 16, 2024, 04:17:10 PM
Apparently we're interested in young Turk, Semih Kılıçsoy. He may only be 18 but looks like he'll be in the Euro 24 squad for his country.
I bet his young heart will be feeling free tonight
And I was about to complain about LeeB's tap in. Have you been at Woofle's chocolate? ;)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 16, 2024, 04:25:50 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 16, 2024, 04:33:27 PM
He can player either centre forward or on the left wing. In this clip he reminds me of John Robertson at Forest.
Hopefully without the smoking habit.
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 16, 2024, 04:40:22 PM
Apparently we're interested in young Turk, Semih Kılıçsoy. He may only be 18 but looks like he'll be in the Euro 24 squad for his country.
Time is on his side.
Ignore him Rudy. Don’t let him put you down, don’t let him push you around.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 16, 2024, 04:49:00 PM
He can player either centre forward or on the left wing. In this clip he reminds me of John Robertson at Forest.
Hopefully without the smoking habit.
He can smoke my Cohibas if he scores the winner for us the CL Final.
Post by: AV84 on January 16, 2024, 04:59:38 PM
Post by: Skerra on January 16, 2024, 05:17:59 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 16, 2024, 05:28:24 PM
He can player either centre forward or on the left wing. In this clip he reminds me of John Robertson at Forest. Others, when he was playing CF there are bits of Harry Kane. If these two kids we're linked to Unai obviously wants strong and powerful players.
Hmmm. 3 minutes, one goal and one assist and lots of wasted balls that would have plenty declaring there wasn't enough end product and how shite he was.
And he wears gloves.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 16, 2024, 10:30:12 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on January 16, 2024, 10:34:06 PM
Aka Coventry Kid.
Welcome! 👍
https://www.belgrade.co.uk/about/history/
Post by: AV84 on January 16, 2024, 10:58:15 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 16, 2024, 11:10:54 PM
In news of someone we were apparently interested in, Cyril Ngonge has ngone to Napoli.
That's life!
Post by: Mister E on January 17, 2024, 07:47:45 AM
You're older than you look.In news of someone we were apparently interested in, Cyril Ngonge has ngone to Napoli.That's life!
Post by: CT Villan on January 17, 2024, 06:48:59 PM
In news of someone we were apparently interested in, Cyril Ngonge has ngone to Napoli.
That's life!
"I'm indebted to a gentleman from Swansea..."
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 17, 2024, 07:11:11 PM
Wasn't he a wrong'un?In news of someone we were apparently interested in, Cyril Ngonge has ngone to Napoli.
That's life!
"I'm indebted to a gentleman from Swansea..."
Post by: john e on January 17, 2024, 08:46:41 PM
We’ve only gone and signed Ned
Post by: Skerra on January 17, 2024, 09:47:53 PM
Post by: TonyD on January 17, 2024, 10:41:50 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 17, 2024, 11:09:52 PM
With us in contention across 3 competitions it would be madness not to bring in fresh talent.
He won't be playing for us till next season.
Post by: VillaTim on January 17, 2024, 11:21:37 PM
With us in contention across 3 competitions it would be madness not to bring in fresh talent.Looks like a good moneyball opportunity player
Post by: CT Villan on January 17, 2024, 11:27:58 PM
Wasn't he a wrong'un?In news of someone we were apparently interested in, Cyril Ngonge has ngone to Napoli.
That's life!
"I'm indebted to a gentleman from Swansea..."
This has nothing to do with me ! :)
(skip to 50secs)
Post by: AV84 on January 17, 2024, 11:34:12 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 17, 2024, 11:40:35 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 17, 2024, 11:41:27 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 17, 2024, 11:48:58 PM
Claudio Reyna’s kid.
yes i just googled him
and Mendez is his agent , is he any good?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 17, 2024, 11:52:25 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 18, 2024, 12:00:46 AM
Claudio Reyna’s kid.
Makes sense now why it says he was born in Sunderland.
He's the player who was involved in the whole drama with the US national team coach, right? Or his parents were on his behalf.
Post by: eamonn on January 18, 2024, 12:03:22 AM
I totally forgot that we still own Sanson. Saw something there about him being on track for a 15mil permanent move to Nice in the summer.
15m? Are you sure there isn't a decimal point missing?! I loved Morg and wish he was still with us; by all accounts he's having a great season near the top of Ligue Une but he'll have at most a year left on his Villa contract in the summer. I'd be pleasantly surprised if a a non-PSG French club had the dosh to spend that much on him and keep him on the wages he's on with us.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 18, 2024, 12:09:10 AM
Post by: AV84 on January 18, 2024, 12:09:46 AM
15m? Are you sure there isn't a decimal point missing?! I loved Morg and wish he was still with us; by all accounts he's having a great season near the top of Ligue Une but he'll have at most a year left on his Villa contract in the summer. I'd be pleasantly surprised if a a non-PSG French club had the dosh to spend that much on him and keep him on the wages he's on with us.
The headline says 15mil but reading it, it does sound like maybe that's what they'll end up paying in total. So the loan fee for this season, and whatever is left to make it up to 15mil. Apparently they wanted to sign him fully last summer but couldn't afford to, so they worked out a loan deal with the full intention of opting to buy this coming summer.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 18, 2024, 12:14:49 AM
15m? Are you sure there isn't a decimal point missing?! I loved Morg and wish he was still with us; by all accounts he's having a great season near the top of Ligue Une but he'll have at most a year left on his Villa contract in the summer. I'd be pleasantly surprised if a a non-PSG French club had the dosh to spend that much on him and keep him on the wages he's on with us.
The headline says 15mil but reading it, it does sound like maybe that's what they'll end up paying in total. So the loan fee for this season, and whatever is left to make it up to 15mil. Apparently they wanted to sign him fully last summer but couldn't afford to, so they worked out a loan deal with the full intention of opting to buy this coming summer.
I still don't see it being close to that. We only paid just over 15 for him and I don't see him retaining that value.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 18, 2024, 12:15:56 AM
Post by: AV84 on January 18, 2024, 12:19:20 AM
15m? Are you sure there isn't a decimal point missing?! I loved Morg and wish he was still with us; by all accounts he's having a great season near the top of Ligue Une but he'll have at most a year left on his Villa contract in the summer. I'd be pleasantly surprised if a a non-PSG French club had the dosh to spend that much on him and keep him on the wages he's on with us.
The headline says 15mil but reading it, it does sound like maybe that's what they'll end up paying in total. So the loan fee for this season, and whatever is left to make it up to 15mil. Apparently they wanted to sign him fully last summer but couldn't afford to, so they worked out a loan deal with the full intention of opting to buy this coming summer.
I still don't see it being close to that. We only paid just over 15 for him and I don't see him retaining that value.
Maybe the 15 is referring to what we paid for him then. It's on the Birmingham Mail site. Says something about closure on 15.5 million transfer, but doesn't mention money anywhere in the article. Could well be just referring to his transfer here.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 18, 2024, 12:20:32 AM
15m? Are you sure there isn't a decimal point missing?! I loved Morg and wish he was still with us; by all accounts he's having a great season near the top of Ligue Une but he'll have at most a year left on his Villa contract in the summer. I'd be pleasantly surprised if a a non-PSG French club had the dosh to spend that much on him and keep him on the wages he's on with us.
The headline says 15mil but reading it, it does sound like maybe that's what they'll end up paying in total. So the loan fee for this season, and whatever is left to make it up to 15mil. Apparently they wanted to sign him fully last summer but couldn't afford to, so they worked out a loan deal with the full intention of opting to buy this coming summer.
I still don't see it being close to that. We only paid just over 15 for him and I don't see him retaining that value.
Maybe the 15 is referring to what we paid for him then. It's on the Birmingham Mail site. Says something about closure on 15.5 million transfer, but doesn't mention money anywhere in the article. Could well be just referring to his transfer here.
Yeah, 15.5 is what we paid for him so that'll be it.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2024, 12:49:06 AM
Claudio Reyna’s kid.
yes i just googled him
and Mendez is his agent , is he any good?
Yes he’s quite good. Of course there would be the risk to Emery if he didn’t pick Reyna that his mom would try and expose something in Emery’s past as spite for not playing him enough.
*see pre World Cup story about Danielle Reyna and US coach Gregg Berhalter
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 18, 2024, 08:15:49 AM
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2024, 08:20:03 AM
Reyna was supposed to be the next big thing when he broke into the Dortmund team but he’s never realised that potential, he’s had a few injuries from memory. An attacking midfielder though, not really a position that we’re desperate for cover in but I’m sure Emery could work his wonders.
He's got his hands full trying to get a tune out of Diaby at the moment.
Post by: algy on January 18, 2024, 09:53:28 AM
All those predicting we wouldn’t sign anyone in this window must be feeling pretty stupid right nowYeah, egg on your face non-believers. Or should that be .... NED on your face?!?!?
We’ve only gone and signed Ned
LOLoutLOUD.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 18, 2024, 10:39:22 AM
Reyna was supposed to be the next big thing when he broke into the Dortmund team but he’s never realised that potential, he’s had a few injuries from memory. An attacking midfielder though, not really a position that we’re desperate for cover in but I’m sure Emery could work his wonders.
He's got his hands full trying to get a tune out of Diaby at the moment.
There’s certainly been a drop off in Diaby’s performances but I’d be confident that we’ll see him get back to his early season form. It’s not helping that we don’t play to his strengths.
I’d see Reyna in a similar mould to Buendia.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 18, 2024, 11:12:58 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 18, 2024, 11:24:57 AM
I am beginning to think that his existing form looks like the exception and what we are seeing is becoming the norm.Reyna was supposed to be the next big thing when he broke into the Dortmund team but he’s never realised that potential, he’s had a few injuries from memory. An attacking midfielder though, not really a position that we’re desperate for cover in but I’m sure Emery could work his wonders.
He's got his hands full trying to get a tune out of Diaby at the moment.
There’s certainly been a drop off in Diaby’s performances but I’d be confident that we’ll see him get back to his early season form. It’s not helping that we don’t play to his strengths.
I’d see Reyna in a similar mould to Buendia.
It’s not like he was pulling up trees when he was supposedly playing well.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 18, 2024, 11:33:32 AM
All those predicting we wouldn’t sign anyone in this window must be feeling pretty stupid right now
We’ve only gone and signed Ned
I just hope this transfer window isn't as "disastrous" as the last two.
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 18, 2024, 11:39:06 AM
I am beginning to think that his existing form looks like the exception and what we are seeing is becoming the norm.Reyna was supposed to be the next big thing when he broke into the Dortmund team but he’s never realised that potential, he’s had a few injuries from memory. An attacking midfielder though, not really a position that we’re desperate for cover in but I’m sure Emery could work his wonders.
He's got his hands full trying to get a tune out of Diaby at the moment.
There’s certainly been a drop off in Diaby’s performances but I’d be confident that we’ll see him get back to his early season form. It’s not helping that we don’t play to his strengths.
I’d see Reyna in a similar mould to Buendia.
It’s not like he was pulling up trees when he was supposedly playing well.
I think that is a little unfair. Earlier in the season he looked a different level of wide forward than we had seen for a number of years, Grealish aside.
I think he looks fed up as he’s not playing well, but he never hides for me and the fact he’s trying stuff and its not working highlights him more than a player hiding. He’s also getting used to a much more physical league with thugs like Tarkowski trying to decapitate him. Personally ive seen enough to think he’ll come good again, look how long it took Bailey.
Post by: Gareth on January 18, 2024, 11:43:41 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 18, 2024, 11:44:13 AM
I can not say I have watched a game where he has really stood out.I am beginning to think that his existing form looks like the exception and what we are seeing is becoming the norm.Reyna was supposed to be the next big thing when he broke into the Dortmund team but he’s never realised that potential, he’s had a few injuries from memory. An attacking midfielder though, not really a position that we’re desperate for cover in but I’m sure Emery could work his wonders.
He's got his hands full trying to get a tune out of Diaby at the moment.
There’s certainly been a drop off in Diaby’s performances but I’d be confident that we’ll see him get back to his early season form. It’s not helping that we don’t play to his strengths.
I’d see Reyna in a similar mould to Buendia.
It’s not like he was pulling up trees when he was supposedly playing well.
I think that is a little unfair. Earlier in the season he looked a different level of wide forward than we had seen for a number of years, Grealish aside.
I think he looks fed up as he’s not playing well, but he never hides for me and the fact he’s trying stuff and its not working highlights him more than a player hiding. He’s also getting used to a much more physical league with thugs like Tarkowski trying to decapitate him. Personally ive seen enough to think he’ll come good again, look how long it took Bailey.
I keep seeing glimpses but the bad since he has been here far outweighs the good.
I am not writing him off ( the common reaction to any criticism) I have not seen it yet and hope that he does become great for us.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 18, 2024, 11:55:45 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 18, 2024, 11:56:13 AM
Buendia would compliment their pace as he, or a player of that ilk, are happier between the lines whereas Bailey/Diaby thrive on counter attacks and when game is less structured.
Both are good enough but the one in form should be selected and rotated as necessary.
Post by: brontebilly on January 18, 2024, 12:17:21 PM
Ideally I don’t think Diaby and Bailey would play in the same team. They’re too similar too often occupy the same spaces.
Buendia would compliment their pace as he, or a player of that ilk, are happier between the lines whereas Bailey/Diaby thrive on counter attacks and when game is less structured.
Both are good enough but the one in form should be selected and rotated as necessary.
I think Emery should try one of Diaby or Bailey on the left occasionally. Playing inverted wingers can get a bit predictable, especially when we have both of them cutting it from the same spot. Bailey has done well on the left at times, the first post Gerrard game comes to mind and he made that goal v Fulham from the left wing too. Emery doesn't seem a fan of that tactical shift for some reason.
Buendia is definitely a loss. Not that he would always be starting but last weekend in a scrappy game his battling qualities would be ideal. As it is we have three attacking options who also seem to prefer playing in the one position (including Zaniolo).
Post by: Chris Smith on January 18, 2024, 12:21:00 PM
Ideally I don’t think Diaby and Bailey would play in the same team. They’re too similar too often occupy the same spaces.
Buendia would compliment their pace as he, or a player of that ilk, are happier between the lines whereas Bailey/Diaby thrive on counter attacks and when game is less structured.
Both are good enough but the one in form should be selected and rotated as necessary.
Don't forget they played together at Leverkusen, I am sure that over time working with the manager they’ll adapt to doing the same in our system.
Post by: LeeB on January 18, 2024, 12:22:11 PM
He is missed.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2024, 12:32:38 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 18, 2024, 12:34:03 PM
My concern with Diaby is how generally fucking miserable he looks all the time whilst playing for us in recent months. We've been here before with this sort of thing and it usually doesn't end well. He's a top talent though, and although his form has dipped i wouldn't say it's fallen off a cliff, he just doesn't seem to get involved in games as much.Yep doesn't seem right and looks drained of confidence. That airshot at Boro being a good example of where he's currently at . We aren't utilising his blistering pace at all neither is he
Post by: eamonn on January 18, 2024, 12:47:27 PM
Post by: Smithy on January 18, 2024, 12:57:13 PM
My concern with Diaby is how generally fucking miserable he looks all the time whilst playing for us in recent months. We've been here before with this sort of thing and it usually doesn't end well. He's a top talent though, and although his form has dipped i wouldn't say it's fallen off a cliff, he just doesn't seem to get involved in games as much.Yep doesn't seem right and looks drained of confidence. That airshot at Boro being a good example of where he's currently at . We aren't utilising his blistering pace at all neither is he
A bright start, and he's definitely in a run of average form, but having seen how Bailey has gone from looking like a terrible signing to one of our most potent attacking threats, I wouldn't be writing anyone off at this early into their Villa career.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 18, 2024, 01:09:16 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 18, 2024, 01:12:06 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 18, 2024, 01:12:38 PM
I guess if Bailey knows his form is off that will bring his mood down.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 18, 2024, 01:12:53 PM
Post by: Baldy on January 18, 2024, 01:14:41 PM
This leaves a lot of space to the left side of the pitch which Moreno/Ramsey (when available) often exploit.
When the ball is switched to the left, Diaby heads for the box and Bailey towards the back post.
It's amazing how many of our 'play out from the back' moves ultimately switch from right to left. When in his best position, McGinn being the main protagonist.
Diaby is being used as a 'chess piece' by SUE and it would work when (and if) Diaby improves his finishing.
Just an observation.
Post by: VillaTim on January 18, 2024, 01:16:57 PM
I feel like he is struggling to find space at the moment and he and Bailey seem to close together , but he will come goodthey've been occupying the same spaces lately and getting in each others way which is probably on the manager to sort that side of things out
Post by: OCD on January 18, 2024, 02:19:49 PM
Post by: john e on January 18, 2024, 02:20:03 PM
Just so people can post that I shouldn’t be writing him off
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2024, 02:21:32 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 18, 2024, 02:32:57 PM
I’m going to write him offi'm not writing him off but did expect a better all round player.
Just so people can post that I shouldn’t be writing him off
Post by: brontebilly on January 18, 2024, 02:39:18 PM
I wouldn't write him off at all, in fact i think we've got a Champions League level player on our hands. I just don't think he looks happy with the situation for some reason and that could be effecting his performances and if it is the case it's quite possible he won't be around for the long run as we've seen this happen a few times before. Stress on the 'if it is the case' and hope it's not, but i do wonder personally.
He's most likely not happy with his performances and/or getting hooked. Like most pros. He did score v Burnley in our last home game. Sitters missed against Boro and Burnley show a lack of confidence but at least he's getting into the right positions. Tactically I think Emery needs to look at tweaking our tactics when a team sits deep, Diaby needs space to run into. I did think Emery could have waited another 5-10 mins before hooking him v Everton as I thought he was just starting to come into it.
Post by: achilles on January 18, 2024, 02:43:15 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 18, 2024, 02:44:37 PM
Buendia was looking really sharp in pre-season too. Getting that version back would be a great boost.
My thoughts too. Like every serious, long term injury it's rare players recover their form. How long left does he have on his contract?
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2024, 02:51:42 PM
I’m going to write him off
Just so people can post that I shouldn’t be writing him off
Clampy to the thread please, Clampy to the thread.
Post by: Ads on January 18, 2024, 03:51:02 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 18, 2024, 03:54:07 PM
We have a new nutritionist, Elisa Senal.
You'll never sing that.
Post by: ian c. on January 18, 2024, 04:35:38 PM
We have a new nutritionist, Elisa Senal.
I didn't know the previous one had left. Maybe that's why the players look knackered.
Post by: TonyD on January 18, 2024, 04:43:38 PM
I’m going to write him offSorry but I wrote him off before he kicked a ball for us.
Just so people can post that I shouldn’t be writing him off
Post by: Londonvilla on January 18, 2024, 04:55:04 PM
The Mexican nutritionist Elisa Ceñal will be in one of the most important clubs in English football and will be in charge of feeding the footballers of Aston Villa in the Premier League . The sports nutrition specialist will be responsible for the good nutrition of one of the most important soccer leagues in the world.
https://www.record.com.mx/futbol-futbol-internacional-internacionales/a-la-premier-league-nutriologa-elisa-cenal-deja-a
She must be good, as they have travelled 5,358 miles to recruit her.
Post by: eamonn on January 18, 2024, 05:06:15 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 18, 2024, 05:11:31 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on January 18, 2024, 05:26:27 PM
TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE! NUTRITIONIST ELISA CEÑAL LEAVES PACHUCA AND SIGNS FOR ASTON VILLA
The Mexican nutritionist Elisa Ceñal will be in one of the most important clubs in English football and will be in charge of feeding the footballers of Aston Villa in the Premier League . The sports nutrition specialist will be responsible for the good nutrition of one of the most important soccer leagues in the world.
https://www.record.com.mx/futbol-futbol-internacional-internacionales/a-la-premier-league-nutriologa-elisa-cenal-deja-a
She must be good, as they have travelled 5,358 miles to recruit her.
According to Google translate, she might be a nutritionist in charge of nutrition.
Quote
Mexican nutritionist Elisa Ceñal, will be at one of the most important clubs in English football and will be in charge of feeding the players of Aston Villa in the Premier League. The sports nutrition specialist will be responsible for the good nutrition of one of the most important football leagues in the world.
One of the essential topics of the nutritionist is the nutrition of the players, a task that nutritionist Elisa Ceñal is passionate about, who has participated with the basic forces of the institution of the Tuzos del Pachuca and in charge of the nutrition of the athletes so that they have a better performance on the field.
Post by: dave shelley on January 18, 2024, 05:40:49 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 18, 2024, 06:17:15 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 18, 2024, 06:30:35 PM
Isn’t that woman with the long dark hair, the one whose bloke is an NFL player, our nutritionist?
Still is, Elisa Cena is just advising on the evening meals.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 18, 2024, 06:54:40 PM
Could it possibly be Mrs Sexual Ealing perchance?
If it is and she plays right back, expect her to get lots of red cards. She has a reputation for kicking people in the shins.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 18, 2024, 08:03:07 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2024, 08:07:57 PM
Post by: usav on January 18, 2024, 08:10:55 PM
Isn’t that woman with the long dark hair, the one whose bloke is an NFL player, our nutritionist?
Serra Tumay/Myles Garett
Post by: Dogtanian on January 18, 2024, 08:11:22 PM
Now being linked with Morgan Rogers of Boro https://twitter.com/David_Ornstein/status/1748072779516174750
Bid has been launched up north, apparently.
https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1748072791511818505?s=20 (https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1748072791511818505?s=20)
https://theathletic.com/5212312/2024/01/18/aston-villa-transfer-news-rogers-middlesbrough/?source=user_shared_article (https://theathletic.com/5212312/2024/01/18/aston-villa-transfer-news-rogers-middlesbrough/?source=user_shared_article)
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2024, 08:14:33 PM
Post by: Ads on January 18, 2024, 08:15:31 PM
Post by: Clampy on January 18, 2024, 08:17:54 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 18, 2024, 08:18:22 PM
He's a B62 kid.
Yeah, noticed he was from Halesowen.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 18, 2024, 08:19:20 PM
Which is nice.
Post by: Dave P on January 18, 2024, 08:28:22 PM
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2024, 08:39:07 PM
Can’t say I noticed him stand out when we played them a few weeks ago, but then I don’t really watch the opposition.
Me either. I trust Monchi and Emery, but it seems a bit weird to be getting rid of players like Archer and Philogene, then signing what appears to be a like for like replacement. I guess they've seen something in him, but on the face of it, 2 league goals in 25 appearances doesn't appear to be much to write home about. If he's our main target then it's a bit disappointing when our rivals will be looking at the likes of Toney.
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 18, 2024, 08:44:38 PM
Post by: Ads on January 18, 2024, 08:46:40 PM
Post by: Dave on January 18, 2024, 08:47:06 PM
Can’t say I noticed him stand out when we played them a few weeks ago, but then I don’t really watch the opposition.
Me either. I trust Monchi and Emery, but it seems a bit weird to be getting rid of players like Archer and Philogene, then signing what appears to be a like for like replacement
Also seems a bit odd that we move heaven and earth to bring in Monchi, his brilliant scouting network and his big book of global contacts and he finds us a guy from West Brom's academy.
Fine if it happens, presumably it's for a good reason. But at the same stage of his time at Sevilla he was finding Dani Alves in Brazil.
Post by: villadelph on January 18, 2024, 08:52:24 PM
Post by: Ads on January 18, 2024, 08:53:55 PM
Can’t say I noticed him stand out when we played them a few weeks ago, but then I don’t really watch the opposition.
Me either. I trust Monchi and Emery, but it seems a bit weird to be getting rid of players like Archer and Philogene, then signing what appears to be a like for like replacement
Also seems a bit odd that we move heaven and earth to bring in Monchi, his brilliant scouting network and his big book of global contacts and he finds us a guy from West Brom's academy.
Fine if it happens, presumably it's for a good reason. But at the same stage of his time at Sevilla he was finding Dani Alves in Brazil.
I'd suggest there's a good £23m reasons why Archer and Bidace went, plus we get the former back in June anyway and he costs around £500k on the books of we keep him, or we flog him again.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 18, 2024, 08:55:54 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 18, 2024, 08:55:57 PM
Post by: Clampy on January 18, 2024, 08:56:15 PM
Post by: Gareth on January 18, 2024, 08:58:55 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2024, 08:59:41 PM
Can’t say I noticed him stand out when we played them a few weeks ago, but then I don’t really watch the opposition.
Me either. I trust Monchi and Emery, but it seems a bit weird to be getting rid of players like Archer and Philogene, then signing what appears to be a like for like replacement
Also seems a bit odd that we move heaven and earth to bring in Monchi, his brilliant scouting network and his big book of global contacts and he finds us a guy from West Brom's academy.
Fine if it happens, presumably it's for a good reason. But at the same stage of his time at Sevilla he was finding Dani Alves in Brazil.
I'd say it's more what we can do now vs the summer. I'd expect us to have much more freedom on players (FFP all considered of course) to bring players in then. The January window isn't exactly buzzing right now with all the restrictions coupled with ludicrous prices.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 18, 2024, 09:05:37 PM
Boro fans reaction. (https://www.oneboro.co.uk/forum/topic/13565-2024-january-transfer-window/page/186/#comments) Some very interesting comments. It's certainly taken them by surprise.
Arguably biggest club in the Midlands ?? argue with whom ?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 18, 2024, 09:08:32 PM
Boro fans reaction. (https://www.oneboro.co.uk/forum/topic/13565-2024-january-transfer-window/page/186/#comments) Some very interesting comments. It's certainly taken them by surprise.
I normally head to FMMTM for Boro news. https://fmttmboro.com/index.php?threads/villa-bid-for-morgan-rogers.54434/
Post by: john e on January 18, 2024, 09:08:41 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 18, 2024, 09:12:49 PM
I’ve not heard of him, but I’m writing him off
There's always one!
:P
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 18, 2024, 09:14:08 PM
I’ve not heard of him, but I’m not writing him off
He sounds like he should be in Dynasty (or Falcon Crest).
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 18, 2024, 09:17:13 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 18, 2024, 09:17:51 PM
I’ve not heard of him, but I’m not writing him off
He sounds like he should be in Dynasty (or Falcon Crest).
but not Dallas though
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 18, 2024, 09:19:12 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2024, 09:21:04 PM
Was he at Man City as well?
yes.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 18, 2024, 09:32:57 PM
Post by: Londonvilla on January 18, 2024, 09:37:50 PM
It's not known how how much Villa's offer for the attacker was but sources have told the Northern Echo that the bid was "rejected out of hand".
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/24060250.middlesbrough-reject-aston-villa-bid-morgan-rogers/
We should not look to pay more than £6m
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 18, 2024, 09:46:00 PM
Could it possibly be Mrs Sexual Ealing perchance?
Didn’t someone call her a prostitute in the comments section of a Plymouth newspaper?
Post by: ozzjim on January 18, 2024, 09:53:18 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 18, 2024, 09:53:55 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2024, 09:55:55 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 18, 2024, 09:56:59 PM
Strange we didn't agree this as part of the Azaz deal if Emery is that keen. Is this guy really a better bet than Aaron Ramsey?Reports from Boro fans seem mixed and some suggest he's not at Aaron Ramsey's level. This is a weird one if true.
Post by: villadelph on January 18, 2024, 09:57:25 PM
Strange we didn't agree this as part of the Azaz deal if Emery is that keen. Is this guy really a better bet than Aaron Ramsey?
Boro fans seems to think Cam, Azaz and ARamsey are all further along. He would certainly give us some more size and perhaps Monchi sees him as a FFP asset in the future.
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 18, 2024, 09:59:22 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 18, 2024, 10:00:23 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 18, 2024, 10:10:57 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 18, 2024, 10:19:44 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 18, 2024, 10:22:32 PM
Has anyone mentioned a fella called Hermoso or somesuch, out of contract at Ath Madrid soon. Seems to be mentioned on a few Twitter sites but I didn't read more than that.
Someone mentioned him on here a few days ago. He’s a centre half so could replace Langlet in the summer when his loan ends.
Post by: eamonn on January 18, 2024, 10:24:23 PM
He's a B62 kid.
Yeah, noticed he was from Halesowen.
B62? Fuckin'ell, how high do Brum postcodes go up to? Second city? In the world, yeah!
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 18, 2024, 11:20:41 PM
He's a B62 kid.
Yeah, noticed he was from Halesowen.
B62? Fuckin'ell, how high do Brum postcodes go up to? Second city? In the world, yeah!
Into the 90s I think.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 18, 2024, 11:25:17 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 18, 2024, 11:27:57 PM
B98 is the highest, not all numbers are used though. And a lot of them cover places outside Brum like Bromsgrove, Redditch, Cradley, Halesowen, Tamworth etc.
Solihull, too. I think that goes for all 'city' post codes, ie they cover the 'greater' city area - so Oldham, for example, will have an M postcode. Gateshead has an NE etc etc.
Post by: Chris Smith on January 18, 2024, 11:31:03 PM
He's a B62 kid.
Yeah, noticed he was from Halesowen.
B62? Fuckin'ell, how high do Brum postcodes go up to? Second city? In the world, yeah!
Into the 90s I think.
I had to look at this for work a while back, B97 & 98 are Redditch but B99 is Newtown.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 18, 2024, 11:39:06 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 19, 2024, 12:33:41 AM
Quote from: BBC Gossip
Manchester City have a strong interest in bringing Tottenham and Spain right-back Pedro Porro, 24, and Aston Villa and Brazil midfielder Douglas Luiz, 25, back to the club in deals that could cost them £200m
:(
Oh wait, it's sourced from Football Insider so nothing to worry about.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 19, 2024, 12:41:08 AM
Apparently…
https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1748126382809288943?s=46
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 19, 2024, 12:45:25 AM
Aston Villa have sent a formal bid to sign 22-year old Icelandic goalkeeper, Hákon Rafn Valdimarsson who plays for Swedish side IF Elfsborg.
If he's half as good as Joey Gudjónsson....
Post by: Matt C on January 19, 2024, 01:47:37 AM
I'm sure that Rogers was linked to us before when he was at Citeh
Didn’t they try and include him in the Grealish deal?
Post by: Rory on January 19, 2024, 01:58:32 AM
B98 is the highest, not all numbers are used though. And a lot of them cover places outside Brum like Bromsgrove, Redditch, Cradley, Halesowen, Tamworth etc.
Solihull, too. I think that goes for all 'city' post codes, ie they cover the 'greater' city area - so Oldham, for example, will have an M postcode. Gateshead has an NE etc etc.
Yeah, I used to work evening & night shifts at the sorting depot in Newtown and postcodes are a bit of a mess in general. We flew post for parts of Glasgow to Edinburgh, for example, even though there was a Glasgow flight.
It actually makes me smile to see full addresses on post since those days.
(Master) John Jones,
12 Generic Rd,
Aston,
Birmingham,
West Midlands,
England,
United Kingdom,
B6 1FZ
If it's domestic post, write '12 B61FZ' and it'll get there.
Post by: Nev on January 19, 2024, 06:13:41 AM
So Rogers is likely to be a bit of a tough nut which will come in handy the next time Coote starts a fight in one of our matches.
Post by: aev on January 19, 2024, 07:26:12 AM
I'm sure that Rogers was linked to us before when he was at Citeh
Didn’t they try and include him in the Grealish deal?
Yep that rings a bell.
Post by: aev on January 19, 2024, 08:08:49 AM
Post by: nigel on January 19, 2024, 08:10:13 AM
B98 is the highest, not all numbers are used though. And a lot of them cover places outside Brum like Bromsgrove, Redditch, Cradley, Halesowen, Tamworth etc.
Solihull, too. I think that goes for all 'city' post codes, ie they cover the 'greater' city area - so Oldham, for example, will have an M postcode. Gateshead has an NE etc etc.
Yeah, I used to work evening & night shifts at the sorting depot in Newtown and postcodes are a bit of a mess in general. We flew post for parts of Glasgow to Edinburgh, for example, even though there was a Glasgow flight.
It actually makes me smile to see full addresses on post since those days.
(Master) John Jones,
12 Generic Rd,
Aston,
Birmingham,
West Midlands,
England,
United Kingdom,
B6 1FZ
If it's domestic post, write '12 B61FZ' and it'll get there.
I tried that out several years ago, I sent a Christmas card to myself, and I’m still waiting 😂
You’re right, though, it should work. I was probably unlucky given the time of year
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 19, 2024, 08:48:05 AM
Could it possibly be Mrs Sexual Ealing perchance?
Didn’t someone call her a prostitute in the comments section of a Plymouth newspaper?
It was insinuated. If someone actually 'called' her that I'd put my fists all over them. And if anyone makes a comment about 'called' and 'call girls' I'll put my fists all over them.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2024, 09:13:28 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 19, 2024, 09:18:59 AM
Percy saying we’ve made a second bid that’s been turned down.
These posts are always disconcerting for a couple of seconds, as I know fuck all.
Post by: dave shelley on January 19, 2024, 09:21:01 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 19, 2024, 09:34:41 AM
Does their chairman still hate us for spending more money than them? FFP wise.
After we sold them Southgate, Ugo, Boateng & Azaz, and loaned them Cam & Middle Ramsey as well. Tossers.
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 19, 2024, 09:41:36 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 19, 2024, 09:42:59 AM
Post by: sid1964 on January 19, 2024, 09:45:06 AM
If he signs hopefully then he will be a good squad player, if not I am sure that Monchi has other young players on his list for us to sign.
Post by: eamonn on January 19, 2024, 09:52:16 AM
Aston Villa have sent a formal bid to sign 22-year old Icelandic goalkeeper, Hákon Rafn Valdimarsson who plays for Swedish side IF Elfsborg.
If he's half as good as Joey Gudjónsson....
Or five times as good as Rob Olsen.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 19, 2024, 09:54:57 AM
Aston Villa have sent a formal bid to sign 22-year old Icelandic goalkeeper, Hákon Rafn Valdimarsson who plays for Swedish side IF Elfsborg. The bid is in excess of €2m while Copenhagen have offered around €1.7m
Apparently…
https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1748126382809288943?s=46
And we could have been in the know but Edvard is speaking to the Valdimarsson's anymore.
Post by: algy on January 19, 2024, 10:09:59 AM
You say that, but once in a fit of pro-Welsh enthusiasm I once sent my parents' house keys back to them - I'd accidentally taken them with me to Scotland - using an address written entirely in Welsh, something likeB98 is the highest, not all numbers are used though. And a lot of them cover places outside Brum like Bromsgrove, Redditch, Cradley, Halesowen, Tamworth etc.
Solihull, too. I think that goes for all 'city' post codes, ie they cover the 'greater' city area - so Oldham, for example, will have an M postcode. Gateshead has an NE etc etc.
Yeah, I used to work evening & night shifts at the sorting depot in Newtown and postcodes are a bit of a mess in general. We flew post for parts of Glasgow to Edinburgh, for example, even though there was a Glasgow flight.
It actually makes me smile to see full addresses on post since those days.
(Master) John Jones,
12 Generic Rd,
Aston,
Birmingham,
West Midlands,
England,
United Kingdom,
B6 1FZ
If it's domestic post, write '12 B61FZ' and it'll get there.
8 Ffordd Ysgol
Trefyclawdd
Sir Faesyfed
LD7 1AY
Cymru
It took about 4 months to get there, and that was with the actual address on.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 19, 2024, 10:19:37 AM
Sell our best youngster. Buy others but at least we can amortise their costs. Cheers FFP.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 19, 2024, 10:27:17 AM
With the current links it looks like a 'young and hungry' policy at the moment.
Hmm, I agree with your general point around it putting the emphasis on selling home grown rather than buying in replacements, but I would take massive issue with the term 'young and hungry' in the context of this site, as that refers to the days of buying Helenius, Bowery, Tonev and co and relying on them to come good as first teamers, which is a totally different thing in every way to investing in youth to develop for the future.
Post by: VillaTim on January 19, 2024, 10:27:34 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 19, 2024, 10:27:54 AM
I think he was in the Citeh academy wasn’t he?
Yes, very highly rated a couple of years back...
Post by: chrisw1 on January 19, 2024, 10:39:03 AM
You're right and of course I realise we're not back to the Lambert days. But there's not much to suggest this Rogers lad is as good as Ramsey and Philogene (stats wise), so I just find the whole thing a bit frustrating at the moment. One of the biggest clubs in the country with some of the richest owners and we're having to wheel and deal with our brightest kids.With the current links it looks like a 'young and hungry' policy at the moment.
Hmm, I agree with your general point around it putting the emphasis on selling home grown rather than buying in replacements, but I would take massive issue with the term 'young and hungry' in the context of this site, as that refers to the days of buying Helenius, Bowery, Tonev and co and relying on them to come good as first teamers, which is a totally different thing in every way to investing in youth to develop for the future.
Post by: Ads on January 19, 2024, 10:41:27 AM
B98 is the highest, not all numbers are used though. And a lot of them cover places outside Brum like Bromsgrove, Redditch, Cradley, Halesowen, Tamworth etc.
Solihull, too. I think that goes for all 'city' post codes, ie they cover the 'greater' city area - so Oldham, for example, will have an M postcode. Gateshead has an NE etc etc.
Oldham is OL.
Stockport is SK.
Altrincham has WA, but I also have a WA, despite not living near there- for my money the WA post code seems to have the biggest geographical spread up here.
On this Morgan kid, wouldn't our academy bods know an awful lot about him given they developed him at Sandwell?
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 19, 2024, 10:47:33 AM
I've always found that phrase utterly stupid
Post by: rougegorge on January 19, 2024, 10:54:06 AM
Aston Villa have sent a bid in excess of €2m for Elfsborg goalkeeper Hákon Valdimarsson! @FabrizioRomanoHe kept a lot of clean sheets in the league season that's just finished and was named the league's keeper of the year, but has no caps yet for Iceland.
Before the new rule allowing 4 overseas players per club who don't meet visa requirements, a prospective signing like this would probably not ahve been allowed,
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 19, 2024, 11:02:07 AM
B98 is the highest, not all numbers are used though. And a lot of them cover places outside Brum like Bromsgrove, Redditch, Cradley, Halesowen, Tamworth etc.
Solihull, too. I think that goes for all 'city' post codes, ie they cover the 'greater' city area - so Oldham, for example, will have an M postcode. Gateshead has an NE etc etc.
Oldham is OL.
Stockport is SK.
Altrincham has WA, but I also have a WA, despite not living near there- for my money the WA post code seems to have the biggest geographical spread up here.
On this Morgan kid, wouldn't our academy bods know an awful lot about him given they developed him at Sandwell?
Never mind the smoggy kid. If we're talking postcodes, I'm right fucking here for it.
I became obsessed with London postcodes when I first moved there. I couldn't work out why Whitechapel and Bethnal Green (E1 and E2) made sense, but Chingford, which is miles away, was E4. I dedicated my life to uncovering the mystery (I had a quick look on Wikipedia). It turns out that the 1 is where the sorting office is (Whitechapel in this case) and the other numbers are allocated alphabetically, hence Chingford's unjust elevation to the front of the pack.
I actually find that interesting. What a waste of a life.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 19, 2024, 11:03:37 AM
I fucking hate everything about FFP.
Not only is it a way for the cheating c**nts who closed the loopholes to raise the drawer bridge & keep their ill gotten gained advantage, but it is also forcing us sell our academy kids just to satisfy some abacus reading bean counter with all the personality of a three week old potato whose name is probably Colin.
Some of those academy kids are Villa fans & better quality than the likes of some of the players we are bringing in for the future.
The one thing that is cracking me up in a gallows humour kind of way reading those Boro forums is why should we lower our prices for players like Azaz because Boro were shopping at Sainsburys with an Aldi budget, yet they are going to try & skin us for as much as possible for Rogers.
It's like Villa asking PSG to give us Mbappe for 57p & a packet of pork scratchings because we cant afford him due to FFP. If a club cant afford a player, then they should shop at a store more akin to their fucking budget.
Why the fuck Rogers wasn't part of the Azaz deal is beyond me.
One, we could have overplayed our hand with Azaz in terms of value, & got Rogers for cheaper.
Which suggests that Rogers wasn't on the cards when the Azaz deal was happening.
And two, why the fuck is it always us lowering our fees & apart from with Grealish, why don't we have the stones to tell a club to pay up or fuck off
Apologies, rant over. There are probably valid reasons for a lot of those complaints, I just don't like us selling our kids, period, & especially for what I believe is below their potential value...
I am all, smiles, candyfloss grass & lolipop trees now... 😉
Post by: OCD on January 19, 2024, 11:04:22 AM
Aston Villa have sent a formal bid to sign 22-year old Icelandic goalkeeper, Hákon Rafn Valdimarsson who plays for Swedish side IF Elfsborg. The bid is in excess of €2m while Copenhagen have offered around €1.7m
Apparently…
https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1748126382809288943?s=46
Looks good with his hands and it's good to see a young keeper coming and catching the ball. But what's he like with his feet?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 19, 2024, 11:05:38 AM
Post by: sid1964 on January 19, 2024, 11:08:47 AM
The Icelandic goal keeper would be an interesting signing, again Unai and the goal keeping coaches must not really rate any of our current back ups to Martinez.
In the summer, if we again qualify for Europe we may see a couple of signings that break our current transfer record.
Post by: Ads on January 19, 2024, 11:11:21 AM
I know H&V likes to meander, but I was under the impression that this was the postcodes thread.
I live 30 miles and 40 minutes drive away from Altrincham, but its only a few numbers up the WA list. Neither place is Warrington which is WA1. There is almost certainly a conspiracy going on.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 19, 2024, 11:15:08 AM
I know H&V likes to meander, but I was under the impression that this was the postcodes thread.
I live 30 miles and 40 minutes drive away from Altrincham, but its only a few numbers up the WA list. Neither place is Warrington which is WA1. There is almost certainly a conspiracy going on.
I don't know what the deal is with provincial postcodes. Not my area. It's probably something to do with soft water or people talking to each other on buses. No idea.
Post by: OCD on January 19, 2024, 11:22:16 AM
In the summer, if we again qualify for Europe we may see a couple of signings that break our current transfer record.
FFP permitting. This will be the first summer where the Grealish money is no longer part of our FFP figure and we're using some of our money to buy young players who we think are going to become valuable.
Post by: Simon Page on January 19, 2024, 11:22:28 AM
90210 et al can get in the bin, colonial halfwits.
Post by: Witton Warrior on January 19, 2024, 11:23:07 AM
I know H&V likes to meander, but I was under the impression that this was the postcodes thread.
I live 30 miles and 40 minutes drive away from Altrincham, but its only a few numbers up the WA list. Neither place is Warrington which is WA1. There is almost certainly a conspiracy going on.
I don't know what the deal is with provincial postcodes. Not my area. It's probably something to do with soft water or people talking to each other on buses. No idea.
Our Service once had a contract that only allowed referrals from the Walsall area - having to explain to some pillocks in London that Willenhall is in Walsall despite having a WV13 postcode became so annoying I took a photo of the town sign "Welcome to Willenhall in the Borough of Walsall) and sent it them. It shut them up until the audit when we started all over again
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 19, 2024, 11:25:09 AM
Maybe our supposed best young players (Ramsey, Archer etc..) in Unai's opinion were not good enough.
We will never know with the FFP fire sale...
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 19, 2024, 11:29:35 AM
I know H&V likes to meander, but I was under the impression that this was the postcodes thread.
I live 30 miles and 40 minutes drive away from Altrincham, but its only a few numbers up the WA list. Neither place is Warrington which is WA1. There is almost certainly a conspiracy going on.
I don't know what the deal is with provincial postcodes. Not my area. It's probably something to do with soft water or people talking to each other on buses. No idea.
Our Service once had a contract that only allowed referrals from the Walsall area - having to explain to some pillocks in London that Willenhall is in Walsall despite having a WV13 postcode became so annoying I took a photo of the town sign "Welcome to Willenhall in the Borough of Walsall) and sent it them. It shut them up until the audit when we started all over again
Why do they even need post in Willenhall?
Post by: Dogtanian on January 19, 2024, 11:40:11 AM
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/who-is-kosta-nedeljkovic-aston-villas-super-smart-long-term-solution-at-right-back/view/news/432609 (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/who-is-kosta-nedeljkovic-aston-villas-super-smart-long-term-solution-at-right-back/view/news/432609)
Post by: AV82EC on January 19, 2024, 11:42:00 AM
I know H&V likes to meander, but I was under the impression that this was the postcodes thread.
I live 30 miles and 40 minutes drive away from Altrincham, but its only a few numbers up the WA list. Neither place is Warrington which is WA1. There is almost certainly a conspiracy going on.
I used to live in Altrincham. It’s never quite got over the fact it’s not in Cheshire anymore and the final insult was them getting a WA postcode. Many people still refuse to use Greater Manchester as part of their postal address.
I think some denizens of Sutton Coldfield still think of themselves as Warwickshire in a similar example.
It’s as if 1974 never happened.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 19, 2024, 11:43:24 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on January 19, 2024, 11:48:22 AM
"Aston Villa have assured us that he's going back to fight for his place and we wish him well." says the Plymouth boss.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68030880 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68030880)
Post by: Clampy on January 19, 2024, 11:49:44 AM
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 19, 2024, 11:57:23 AM
Post by: Ads on January 19, 2024, 12:02:29 PM
Isn't the Ethiopean calender 7 years behind everyone else or have I just made that up?
When they reverse cars adjacent to the Molineux, they're still 60 years in the future.
Post by: Clampy on January 19, 2024, 12:05:31 PM
My mate was a postman and he had a round in Tipton (DY postcode, 0121 telephone, butt of many jokes in Viz) and one of the houses he delivered to kept a live donkey in the kitchen….
Better than keeping a dead one in the kitchen I suppose.
Post by: Nev on January 19, 2024, 12:08:43 PM
My mate was a postman and he had a round in Tipton (DY postcode, 0121 telephone, butt of many jokes in Viz) and one of the houses he delivered to kept a live donkey in the kitchen….
"Morning, here's your mail, looks like bills again I'm afraid! Have a good day......oh, nice ass by the way"
Post by: VillaTim on January 19, 2024, 12:10:31 PM
Kaine Kesler-Hayden is coming back to provide cover and push Cash, according to Plymouth.good, Cash needs some competition
"Aston Villa have assured us that he's going back to fight for his place and we wish him well." says the Plymouth boss.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68030880 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68030880)
Post by: UK Redsox on January 19, 2024, 12:19:23 PM
Why don't London postcodes start with 'L' ?
There's villages three miles from me that have Newport postcodes, despite being five miles inside England
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2024, 12:21:20 PM
Reading those Boro forums seems that they think Rogers is not quite as developed as the likes of Azaz, never mind A. Ramsey or Philogene-Bidace.
I fucking hate everything about FFP.
Not only is it a way for the cheating c**nts who closed the loopholes to raise the drawer bridge & keep their ill gotten gained advantage, but it is also forcing us sell our academy kids just to satisfy some abacus reading bean counter with all the personality of a three week old potato whose name is probably Colin.
Some of those academy kids are Villa fans & better quality than the likes of some of the players we are bringing in for the future.
The one thing that is cracking me up in a gallows humour kind of way reading those Boro forums is why should we lower our prices for players like Azaz because Boro were shopping at Sainsburys with an Aldi budget, yet they are going to try & skin us for as much as possible for Rogers.
It's like Villa asking PSG to give us Mbappe for 57p & a packet of pork scratchings because we cant afford him due to FFP. If a club cant afford a player, then they should shop at a store more akin to their fucking budget.
Why the fuck Rogers wasn't part of the Azaz deal is beyond me.
One, we could have overplayed our hand with Azaz in terms of value, & got Rogers for cheaper.
Which suggests that Rogers wasn't on the cards when the Azaz deal was happening.
And two, why the fuck is it always us lowering our fees & apart from with Grealish, why don't we have the stones to tell a club to pay up or fuck off
Apologies, rant over. There are probably valid reasons for a lot of those complaints, I just don't like us selling our kids, period, & especially for what I believe is below their potential value...
I am all, smiles, candyfloss grass & lolipop trees now... 😉
I think it’s really difficult to assess comparative development, but I doubt we’d look for lesser players for the sake of FFP. We must have seen something in him, in terms of potential and an existing gap in the squad.
Also in recent times I’m not sure we’ve buckled on selling players below what we value them at?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 19, 2024, 12:31:10 PM
Re post codes.......
Why don't London postcodes start with 'L' ?
There's villages three miles from me that have Newport postcodes, despite being five miles inside England
Because Liverpool does
Post by: eamonn on January 19, 2024, 12:37:54 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 19, 2024, 12:37:54 PM
Re post codes.......
Why don't London postcodes start with 'L' ?
There's villages three miles from me that have Newport postcodes, despite being five miles inside England
I can field this. (Oh my giddy God, I fucking love postcode chat) London was the first place that needed postcodes, because it was so big, hence the E, SE, SW, W, N etc.
As for Newport, I DON'T DO PROVINCIAL POSTCODES.
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 19, 2024, 12:47:03 PM
Interesting that Emery is happy for Kesler to push Cash rather than us try bringing in a new signing. I'm not sure either are/will be enough for us to win the league though.
We've signed a rb but he's not joining till the summer so this is cover and probably a chance to assess if he's ready to be around the squad longer term
Post by: dave shelley on January 19, 2024, 12:54:28 PM
My mate was a postman and he had a round in Tipton (DY postcode, 0121 telephone, butt of many jokes in Viz) and one of the houses he delivered to kept a live donkey in the kitchen….
The dentist we go to is in another town and is located in the middle of a big housing estate. On a visit a couple of years ago, whilst Mrs S was having done whatever it was, instead of sitting in the waiting room I took myself off for a walk. I found myself passing a semi-detached house that had eight, eight I say donkeys roaming around both front and back gardens. Eight donkeys, I shit you not. Imagine the noise when they all kicked off, not to mention the stink.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 19, 2024, 12:56:10 PM
Re post codes.......
Why don't London postcodes start with 'L' ?
There's villages three miles from me that have Newport postcodes, despite being five miles inside England
I can field this. (Oh my giddy God, I fucking love postcode chat) London was the first place that needed postcodes, because it was so big, hence the E, SE, SW, W, N etc.
As for Newport, I DON'T DO PROVINCIAL POSTCODES.
Maybe there is a gap in the market for a paid Postcode chatline?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 19, 2024, 01:04:09 PM
Post by: AV82EC on January 19, 2024, 01:07:50 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 19, 2024, 01:10:18 PM
Re cross border postcodes, the mid Wales coast has Shrewsbury ones. I would have thought SE was all over that.
Aren't they all SA or LL? (which would be in my top 5 of largest geographical postcodes)
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 19, 2024, 01:11:06 PM
Now here's a thing of beauty. Enjoy.
Post by: Risso on January 19, 2024, 01:14:11 PM
Re post codes.......
Why don't London postcodes start with 'L' ?
There's villages three miles from me that have Newport postcodes, despite being five miles inside England
I can field this. (Oh my giddy God, I fucking love postcode chat) London was the first place that needed postcodes, because it was so big, hence the E, SE, SW, W, N etc.
As for Newport, I DON'T DO PROVINCIAL POSTCODES.
I really like a bit of postcode stuff as well. I love it when towns well outside another one are forced to use the postcode from the other, causing outrage in the local population. Eg Bedford, which isn't really that close to Milton Keynes but has an MK postcode, despite being in a different county, and is in fact the county of town of that county. Proof that Bedfordshire deserved to come well down your list of best counties. If it wasn't bottom, it should have been. Shit bastards.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 19, 2024, 01:19:56 PM
Reading those Boro forums seems that they think Rogers is not quite as developed as the likes of Azaz, never mind A. Ramsey or Philogene-Bidace.
I fucking hate everything about FFP.
Not only is it a way for the cheating c**nts who closed the loopholes to raise the drawer bridge & keep their ill gotten gained advantage, but it is also forcing us sell our academy kids just to satisfy some abacus reading bean counter with all the personality of a three week old potato whose name is probably Colin.
Some of those academy kids are Villa fans & better quality than the likes of some of the players we are bringing in for the future.
The one thing that is cracking me up in a gallows humour kind of way reading those Boro forums is why should we lower our prices for players like Azaz because Boro were shopping at Sainsburys with an Aldi budget, yet they are going to try & skin us for as much as possible for Rogers.
It's like Villa asking PSG to give us Mbappe for 57p & a packet of pork scratchings because we cant afford him due to FFP. If a club cant afford a player, then they should shop at a store more akin to their fucking budget.
Why the fuck Rogers wasn't part of the Azaz deal is beyond me.
One, we could have overplayed our hand with Azaz in terms of value, & got Rogers for cheaper.
Which suggests that Rogers wasn't on the cards when the Azaz deal was happening.
And two, why the fuck is it always us lowering our fees & apart from with Grealish, why don't we have the stones to tell a club to pay up or fuck off
Apologies, rant over. There are probably valid reasons for a lot of those complaints, I just don't like us selling our kids, period, & especially for what I believe is below their potential value...
I am all, smiles, candyfloss grass & lolipop trees now... 😉
I think it’s really difficult to assess comparative development, but I doubt we’d look for lesser players for the sake of FFP. We must have seen something in him, in terms of potential and an existing gap in the squad.
Also in recent times I’m not sure we’ve buckled on selling players below what we value them at?
Take Aaron Ramsey for example. He went for £15M.
Alex Scott on the other hand went for £25M.
Both similar aged. Both high potential.
But Aaron Ramseys goals & assists stats, along with his overall performances were far in advance of Alex Scotts. So much so that when Aaron Ramsey got injured, Boros form fell off a cliff. Even with Archer still scoring regularly.
So why Ramsey at £15M & Scott at £25M?
£2M for Azaz, who has similar goals & assist stats as the player the media rate as the best player in the Championship in Dewsbury-Hall (sounds like a National Trust building) & Boro fans rate higher than Rogers, who they want £10M-£15M for.
£5M for Philogene-Bidace, who every Hull fan I speak to rate at around £30M.
Thats what I mean when I say our academy sales are usually undervalued...
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 19, 2024, 01:22:36 PM
Re post codes.......
Why don't London postcodes start with 'L' ?
There's villages three miles from me that have Newport postcodes, despite being five miles inside England
I can field this. (Oh my giddy God, I fucking love postcode chat) London was the first place that needed postcodes, because it was so big, hence the E, SE, SW, W, N etc.
As for Newport, I DON'T DO PROVINCIAL POSTCODES.
I really like a bit of postcode stuff as well. I love it when towns well outside another one are forced to use the postcode from the other, causing outrage in the local population. Eg Bedford, which isn't really that close to Milton Keynes but has an MK postcode, despite being in a different county, and is in fact the county of town of that county. Proof that Bedfordshire deserved to come well down your list of best counties. If it wasn't bottom, it should have been. Shit bastards.
Bedfordshire is a bad county, but in Surrey they support Chelsea. I can't tolerate that.
Post by: AV84 on January 19, 2024, 01:23:37 PM
I hope we don't go down the foreign route. Sometimes British is best and, frankly, I like my postcode looking like a number plate.
90210 et al can get in the bin, colonial halfwits.
In Ireland we introduced the EirCode system a while back and every single house has an individual post code.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 19, 2024, 01:24:49 PM
I hope we don't go down the foreign route. Sometimes British is best and, frankly, I like my postcode looking like a number plate.
90210 et al can get in the bin, colonial halfwits.
In Ireland we introduced the EirCode system a while back and every single house has an individual post code.
What?! That's postcode lunacy!
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2024, 01:25:46 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 19, 2024, 01:28:42 PM
I hope we don't go down the foreign route. Sometimes British is best and, frankly, I like my postcode looking like a number plate.
90210 et al can get in the bin, colonial halfwits.
In Ireland we introduced the EirCode system a while back and every single house has an individual post code.
What?! That's postcode lunacy!
I lived in Dublin when it was introduced and thought it was such an unnecessary thing. We had numbers, street names, and a post code for the general area. Never knew what the EirCode was for the house. Since moving to a more rural area, its actually a good idea. Couriers and Emergency services, for example can find us no bother by just typing the code into their GPS. I'd say half the country never uses theirs and the other half has it tattooed over their hearts in celebration of not having to take 5 phone calls asking for directions every time they're waiting on a delivery.
Post by: UK Redsox on January 19, 2024, 01:48:59 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/JqCsqRj/images.png) (https://ibb.co/JqCsqRj)
Now here's a thing of beauty. Enjoy.
Blimey, didn't know that Shrewsbury went all the way to the Welsh coast. That must piss off Plaid Cymru
Post by: aev on January 19, 2024, 01:53:42 PM
Re post codes.......
Why don't London postcodes start with 'L' ?
There's villages three miles from me that have Newport postcodes, despite being five miles inside England
I can field this. (Oh my giddy God, I fucking love postcode chat) London was the first place that needed postcodes, because it was so big, hence the E, SE, SW, W, N etc.
As for Newport, I DON'T DO PROVINCIAL POSTCODES.
But no "S".
I am currently in Gloucestershire, with OX7 postcode.
Post by: Gareth on January 19, 2024, 01:55:58 PM
Reading those Boro forums seems that they think Rogers is not quite as developed as the likes of Azaz, never mind A. Ramsey or Philogene-Bidace.
I fucking hate everything about FFP.
Not only is it a way for the cheating c**nts who closed the loopholes to raise the drawer bridge & keep their ill gotten gained advantage, but it is also forcing us sell our academy kids just to satisfy some abacus reading bean counter with all the personality of a three week old potato whose name is probably Colin.
Some of those academy kids are Villa fans & better quality than the likes of some of the players we are bringing in for the future.
The one thing that is cracking me up in a gallows humour kind of way reading those Boro forums is why should we lower our prices for players like Azaz because Boro were shopping at Sainsburys with an Aldi budget, yet they are going to try & skin us for as much as possible for Rogers.
It's like Villa asking PSG to give us Mbappe for 57p & a packet of pork scratchings because we cant afford him due to FFP. If a club cant afford a player, then they should shop at a store more akin to their fucking budget.
Why the fuck Rogers wasn't part of the Azaz deal is beyond me.
One, we could have overplayed our hand with Azaz in terms of value, & got Rogers for cheaper.
Which suggests that Rogers wasn't on the cards when the Azaz deal was happening.
And two, why the fuck is it always us lowering our fees & apart from with Grealish, why don't we have the stones to tell a club to pay up or fuck off
Apologies, rant over. There are probably valid reasons for a lot of those complaints, I just don't like us selling our kids, period, & especially for what I believe is below their potential value...
I am all, smiles, candyfloss grass & lolipop trees now... 😉
I think it’s really difficult to assess comparative development, but I doubt we’d look for lesser players for the sake of FFP. We must have seen something in him, in terms of potential and an existing gap in the squad.
Also in recent times I’m not sure we’ve buckled on selling players below what we value them at?
Take Aaron Ramsey for example. He went for £15M.
Alex Scott on the other hand went for £25M.
Both similar aged. Both high potential.
But Aaron Ramseys goals & assists stats, along with his overall performances were far in advance of Alex Scotts. So much so that when Aaron Ramsey got injured, Boros form fell off a cliff. Even with Archer still scoring regularly.
So why Ramsey at £15M & Scott at £25M?
£2M for Azaz, who has similar goals & assist stats as the player the media rate as the best player in the Championship in Dewsbury-Hall (sounds like a National Trust building) & Boro fans rate higher than Rogers, who they want £10M-£15M for.
£5M for Philogene-Bidace, who every Hull fan I speak to rate at around £30M.
Thats what I mean when I say our academy sales are usually undervalued...
The drugs are clearly strong in Hull, 5m was probs a bit skinny but there will be clauses if he does get better to either buy back or get a % of any sell on…we won’t have been dictated to by Hull, it will have been a deal we were happy with.
Ramsey and Archer we know have clauses & likewise you’d expect Azaz will too…
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 19, 2024, 02:01:53 PM
Yeah but that’s placing our view of value, as opposed to their actual value. With Ramsey, maybe we set a lower value in the acknowledgment of wanting a buy back clause? Azaz, I don’t know but could easily be clauses within that. Philogene did seem odd, but £30m seems a lot.
They're not my valuations, Im comparing market value in regards to other players sold for more, who did less...
And then I see Boro standing their ground & trying to fleece us for Rogers after we practically just gave them a player in Azaz. (Not to mention Archer & A. Ramsey).
Which is their right of course.
I just find the fee discrepancies frustrating & I don't understand that when they wanted Azaz & we wanted Rogers, why we didn't do a deal when we had a little leverage to play with...
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 19, 2024, 02:02:42 PM
And back then the first time I saw a Blackpool postcode I wondered why it made no sense. Obviously it makes sense now but back then you couldn't just Google it. Or even Ask Jeeves it.
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 19, 2024, 02:03:23 PM
Analysis of Rogers
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2024, 02:09:51 PM
Yeah but that’s placing our view of value, as opposed to their actual value. With Ramsey, maybe we set a lower value in the acknowledgment of wanting a buy back clause? Azaz, I don’t know but could easily be clauses within that. Philogene did seem odd, but £30m seems a lot.
They're not my valuations, Im comparing market value in regards to other players sold for more, who did less...
And then I see Boro standing their ground & trying to fleece us for Rogers after we practically just gave them a player in Azaz. (Not to mention Archer & A. Ramsey).
Which is their right of course.
I just find the fee discrepancies frustrating & I don't understand that when they wanted Azaz & we wanted Rogers, why we didn't do a deal when we had a little leverage to play with...
Yeah I can see the timing of the Azaz deal, as it would have seemed helpful. On the likes of Archer and Ramsey, yes they probably got them free but on the flipside without their time at Boro we’re probably not getting £12m and £18m for them respectively.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 19, 2024, 02:11:00 PM
Post by: AV82EC on January 19, 2024, 02:16:46 PM
Any chance you could take all this 'signings' bollocks to Off Topic?
Hear hear. We’re trying to have serious discussion about the vagaries of the British (and Irish) Post code systems and people seem to think the potential value of Aaron Ramsey is in anyway a suitable topic for transfer speculation. Pfft.
I blame those bureaucrats at the Post Office myself. If only we had some explanation for their seemingly random deciding of Post Code areas. Probably crap IT systems.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 19, 2024, 02:26:44 PM
I know H&V likes to meander, but I was under the impression that this was the postcodes thread.
I live 30 miles and 40 minutes drive away from Altrincham, but its only a few numbers up the WA list. Neither place is Warrington which is WA1. There is almost certainly a conspiracy going on.
I used to live in Altrincham. It’s never quite got over the fact it’s not in Cheshire anymore and the final insult was them getting a WA postcode. Many people still refuse to use Greater Manchester as part of their postal address.
I think some denizens of Sutton Coldfield still think of themselves as Warwickshire in a similar example.
It’s as if 1974 never happened.
Hang on, as a part time WA14 I've never heard of this Greater Manchester thing. WA15 may fall under Manchester but that's their problem. I always use and will continue to use Cheshire or if push comes to shove, Cheshire East.
Post by: AV84 on January 19, 2024, 02:34:14 PM
I used to deal a lot with mail order and it always amazed me with Irish address how many were just the person's name and town/village/city. No house number/name or even a street name.
The local postie will know where everyone lives in a more rural area and you could probably just put a name or a brief description of someone on an envelope and they'd get it. Outside of towns/villages there's no street names, and the roads are usually known by where they go. This can obviously change from person to person. They are numbered, but who knows what those numbers are. So for all of these reasons, and more, the individual postcodes do work really well, for some areas.
Post by: AV82EC on January 19, 2024, 02:35:40 PM
I know H&V likes to meander, but I was under the impression that this was the postcodes thread.
I live 30 miles and 40 minutes drive away from Altrincham, but its only a few numbers up the WA list. Neither place is Warrington which is WA1. There is almost certainly a conspiracy going on.
I used to live in Altrincham. It’s never quite got over the fact it’s not in Cheshire anymore and the final insult was them getting a WA postcode. Many people still refuse to use Greater Manchester as part of their postal address.
I think some denizens of Sutton Coldfield still think of themselves as Warwickshire in a similar example.
It’s as if 1974 never happened.
Hang on, as a part time WA14 I've never heard of this Greater Manchester thing. WA15 may fall under Manchester but that's their problem. I always use and will continue to use Cheshire or if push comes to shove, Cheshire East.
You’re in denial.
I also used to use Cheshire.
<local govt reorganisation pedant> But it isn’t Cheshire East as that only came into existence in 2009. </local govt reorganisation pedant>
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 19, 2024, 02:39:31 PM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 19, 2024, 02:43:21 PM
Aston Villa have sent a formal bid to sign 22-year old Icelandic goalkeeper, Hákon Rafn Valdimarsson who plays for Swedish side IF Elfsborg. The bid is in excess of €2m while Copenhagen have offered around €1.7m
He was very good last season. FCK are savvy at spotting talent and them wanting him is a good indicator of his potential.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 19, 2024, 02:43:53 PM
I know H&V likes to meander, but I was under the impression that this was the postcodes thread.
I live 30 miles and 40 minutes drive away from Altrincham, but its only a few numbers up the WA list. Neither place is Warrington which is WA1. There is almost certainly a conspiracy going on.
I used to live in Altrincham. It’s never quite got over the fact it’s not in Cheshire anymore and the final insult was them getting a WA postcode. Many people still refuse to use Greater Manchester as part of their postal address.
I think some denizens of Sutton Coldfield still think of themselves as Warwickshire in a similar example.
It’s as if 1974 never happened.
Hang on, as a part time WA14 I've never heard of this Greater Manchester thing. WA15 may fall under Manchester but that's their problem. I always use and will continue to use Cheshire or if push comes to shove, Cheshire East.
You’re in denial.
I also used to use Cheshire.
<local govt reorganisation pedant> But it isn’t Cheshire East as that only came into existence in 2009. </local govt reorganisation pedant>
Bloody communists! No surprise as Altrincham must have the highest Guardian readership per capita in the country. The country's gone to the dogs I tell you!
Post by: AV84 on January 19, 2024, 02:47:34 PM
Aston Villa have sent a formal bid to sign 22-year old Icelandic goalkeeper, Hákon Rafn Valdimarsson who plays for Swedish side IF Elfsborg. The bid is in excess of €2m while Copenhagen have offered around €1.7m
He was very good last season. FCK are savvy at spotting talent and them wanting him is a good indicator of his potential.
Marschall possibly going on loan to MK Dons. Might mean there's something in this. He was 2nd choice while Olsen was out, so if we're letting him go out on loan I'd assume we have someone else lined up?
Post by: charlatan on January 19, 2024, 03:17:03 PM
Re post codes.......
Why don't London postcodes start with 'L' ?
There's villages three miles from me that have Newport postcodes, despite being five miles inside England
I can field this. (Oh my giddy God, I fucking love postcode chat) London was the first place that needed postcodes, because it was so big, hence the E, SE, SW, W, N etc.
As for Newport, I DON'T DO PROVINCIAL POSTCODES.
Seems jarring that much of this area (the bits where you'll struggle to find a bus to not talk to people on) has even a nominal connection to Paisley. Would take me less time to get to Birmingham than much of the Paisley postcode area.
(https://i.ibb.co/G5qrcTq/pa.webp) (https://ibb.co/G5qrcTq)
Post by: enigma on January 19, 2024, 03:18:29 PM
Re post codes.......I live in Cornwall with a PL postcode. Plymouth is in a different county about 18 miles away.
Why don't London postcodes start with 'L' ?
There's villages three miles from me that have Newport postcodes, despite being five miles inside England
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 19, 2024, 03:33:47 PM
Yeah but that’s placing our view of value, as opposed to their actual value. With Ramsey, maybe we set a lower value in the acknowledgment of wanting a buy back clause? Azaz, I don’t know but could easily be clauses within that. Philogene did seem odd, but £30m seems a lot.
They're not my valuations, Im comparing market value in regards to other players sold for more, who did less...
And then I see Boro standing their ground & trying to fleece us for Rogers after we practically just gave them a player in Azaz. (Not to mention Archer & A. Ramsey).
Which is their right of course.
I just find the fee discrepancies frustrating & I don't understand that when they wanted Azaz & we wanted Rogers, why we didn't do a deal when we had a little leverage to play with...
Yeah I can see the timing of the Azaz deal, as it would have seemed helpful. On the likes of Archer and Ramsey, yes they probably got them free but on the flipside without their time at Boro we’re probably not getting £12m and £18m for them respectively.
That is a fair point...
Any chance you could take all this 'signings' bollocks to Off Topic?
Hear hear. We’re trying to have serious discussion about the vagaries of the British (and Irish) Post code systems and people seem to think the potential value of Aaron Ramsey is in anyway a suitable topic for transfer speculation. Pfft.
I blame those bureaucrats at the Post Office myself. If only we had some explanation for their seemingly random deciding of Post Code areas. Probably crap IT systems.
Apologies.
Plymouth is PL, so nothing fancy & out of the ordinary down here...
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 19, 2024, 03:35:46 PM
Post by: Dave on January 19, 2024, 03:38:51 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 19, 2024, 03:46:26 PM
£4m isn't a bad return given how little of a look-in he's had with us. Look forward to playing him in the Champions League next season.
Agreed. He never really had a run of games under any of our managers but looked quite good for Marseille.
Post by: Risso on January 19, 2024, 03:56:29 PM
£4m isn't a bad return given how little of a look-in he's had with us. Look forward to playing him in the Champions League next season.
It's quite a bad return on what we paid for him and how little service we got from him though.
Post by: Dave on January 19, 2024, 03:58:58 PM
£4m isn't a bad return given how little of a look-in he's had with us. Look forward to playing him in the Champions League next season.
It's quite a bad return on what we paid for him and how little service we got from him though.
Obviously. But given we've spent a decade paying off pretty much every player that we didn't want anymore, it's nice when someone actually gives us money for one.
Post by: Gareth on January 19, 2024, 04:05:06 PM
£4m isn't a bad return given how little of a look-in he's had with us. Look forward to playing him in the Champions League next season.
It's quite a bad return on what we paid for him and how little service we got from him though.
It certainly is tho at least it’s not a free - selling Azaz & Sanson would pay for the new full back
Post by: eamonn on January 19, 2024, 04:12:16 PM
Post by: Mister E on January 19, 2024, 04:16:36 PM
Weird.
Post by: LeeB on January 19, 2024, 04:16:57 PM
Post by: Londonvilla on January 19, 2024, 04:17:31 PM
Sanson has almost triggered purchase clauses
It is now looking extremely likely that his wish will become a reality. L’Équipe have specified the conditions in which Sanson’s move to Les Aiglons will become permanent. For the €4m purchase option to be triggered, Sanson must start at least 17 Ligue 1 games for Le Gym and Nice must finish 8th or above in France’s top-flight.
Sanson has already made 15 Ligue 1 starts in a Nice shirt, whilst the club currently sit second, 11 points ahead of ninth-placed RC Strasbourg Alsace. Sanson’s time at Aston Villa therefore looks almost certain to come to an end at the end of the season.
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2024/morgan-sanson-nearing-conditions-to-make-ogc-nice-move-permanent/
its Euros not pounds but we get him off the wage bill so its is what it is.
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 19, 2024, 04:27:48 PM
The pursuit of Rogers doesn't feel right: for a start, his forename is Morgan (and look what happened to the last 'Morgan'). And, he has the 'feel' of our alleged pursuit of Benrhama when Deano was manager. It does seem strange that after his pre-season hype we offloaded Bidace but are now chasing a similar player.
Weird.
I don't think they are similar players, as I understand it. He's more of a driving ball carrier, coming central from wide area, whereas Philogene is a winger
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 19, 2024, 04:57:15 PM
Post by: Monty on January 19, 2024, 05:04:14 PM
Fiorentina are interested in Zaniolo. I wonder if he gets returned to Turkey and then gets that move we will bring in a replacement. Not exactly worked out for him with us.
Yeah Fiorentina might suit him better. He's worked hard but hasn't managed to look his old self so far. We'd need someone to replace him though!
Post by: OCD on January 19, 2024, 05:05:33 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2024, 05:17:12 PM
Zaniolo played for Galatasaray at the start of the season and you can't play for 3 clubs in the same season.
You can register for 3 clubs in one season.
Post by: OCD on January 19, 2024, 05:23:40 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 19, 2024, 05:48:59 PM
Sanson has apparently met his loan conditions for Nice to pay £4m to sign him permanently.That makes room for a new Morgan in the garage.
Post by: olaftab on January 19, 2024, 05:50:39 PM
It’s better than being in-Seine.You’re in denial.I know H&V likes to meander, but I was under the impression that this was the postcodes thread.
I live 30 miles and 40 minutes drive away from Altrincham, but its only a few numbers up the WA list. Neither place is Warrington which is WA1. There is almost certainly a conspiracy going on.
I used to live in Altrincham. It’s never quite got over the fact it’s not in Cheshire anymore and the final insult was them getting a WA postcode. Many people still refuse to use Greater Manchester as part of their postal address.
I think some denizens of Sutton Coldfield still think of themselves as Warwickshire in a similar example.
It’s as if 1974 never happened.
Hang on, as a part time WA14 I've never heard of this Greater Manchester thing. WA15 may fall under Manchester but that's their problem. I always use and will continue to use Cheshire or if push comes to shove, Cheshire East.
Post by: Drummond on January 19, 2024, 05:51:13 PM
B98 is the highest, not all numbers are used though. And a lot of them cover places outside Brum like Bromsgrove, Redditch, Cradley, Halesowen, Tamworth etc.
Solihull, too. I think that goes for all 'city' post codes, ie they cover the 'greater' city area - so Oldham, for example, will have an M postcode. Gateshead has an NE etc etc.
Yeah, I used to work evening & night shifts at the sorting depot in Newtown and postcodes are a bit of a mess in general. We flew post for parts of Glasgow to Edinburgh, for example, even though there was a Glasgow flight.
It actually makes me smile to see full addresses on post since those days.
(Master) John Jones,
12 Generic Rd,
Aston,
Birmingham,
West Midlands,
England,
United Kingdom,
B6 1FZ
If it's domestic post, write '12 B61FZ' and it'll get there.
I tried that out several years ago, I sent a Christmas card to myself, and I’m still waiting 😂
You’re right, though, it should work. I was probably unlucky given the time of year
You're supposed to write your own number and post code... ;)
Post by: enigma on January 19, 2024, 06:06:57 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 19, 2024, 06:28:35 PM
I'd feel bad if we just chucked Zaniolo back to Turkey but if it was a case of him getting to go back to Italy, and we could get someone else in on loan, it might work out for everyone. I wanted him to be great but it hasn't clicked so far.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 19, 2024, 06:41:04 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 19, 2024, 06:46:30 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 19, 2024, 06:59:47 PM
We're now linked with Nicolas Valenti of Boca Juniors - £10m release clause.
Left footed CB, do we need one?
Post by: AV84 on January 19, 2024, 07:00:09 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 19, 2024, 07:02:07 PM
Post by: Clampy on January 19, 2024, 07:03:14 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 19, 2024, 07:05:24 PM
Zaniolo played 1 CL qualifying game for Galatasary this season, does that count? I know it meant he couldn't play the Hibs games for us.
Fifa rules say no player can play for more than 2 clubs in 'official matches' in the same season.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2024, 07:06:03 PM
Zaniolo can't play for another club this year, so won't be going to Fiorentina.
A player can be registered for 3 clubs in a year can’t they?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 19, 2024, 07:07:45 PM
Zaniolo can't play for another club this year, so won't be going to Fiorentina.
A player can be registered for 3 clubs in a year can’t they?
You can be registered with up to 3 clubs, but can only play official matches with 2 of them.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2024, 07:13:39 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 19, 2024, 07:59:21 PM
The pursuit of Rogers doesn't feel right: for a start, his forename is Morgan (and look what happened to the last 'Morgan'). And, he has the 'feel' of our alleged pursuit of Benrhama when Deano was manager. It does seem strange that after his pre-season hype we offloaded Bidace but are now chasing a similar player.
Weird.
I don't mind offering them a few million, loaning him back for the year & seeing if they take the quick profit.
If they start trying to milk it for anything over £5M or so, then we should walk away & look at other young talent.
And don't get me wrong, Im not saying that they aren't entitled to milk the situation.
They are the selling club, so they can ask for whatever amount they want.
But we shouldn't entertain anything over £5M for a player who has worse stats than A. Ramsey, Philogene-Bidace, Archer, Azaz did at that level.
Post by: Des Little on January 19, 2024, 08:43:31 PM
Post by: Malandro on January 19, 2024, 09:00:57 PM
The pursuit of Rogers doesn't feel right: for a start, his forename is Morgan (and look what happened to the last 'Morgan'). And, he has the 'feel' of our alleged pursuit of Benrhama when Deano was manager. It does seem strange that after his pre-season hype we offloaded Bidace but are now chasing a similar player.
Weird.
I don't mind offering them a few million, loaning him back for the year & seeing if they take the quick profit.
If they start trying to milk it for anything over £5M or so, then we should walk away & look at other young talent.
And don't get me wrong, Im not saying that they aren't entitled to milk the situation.
They are the selling club, so they can ask for whatever amount they want.
But we shouldn't entertain anything over £5M for a player who has worse stats than A. Ramsey, Philogene-Bidace, Archer, Azaz did at that level.
Say hello to Dispy and Tinky Winky for me.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 19, 2024, 09:03:19 PM
I still can’t believe we let Philogene go, he looks a real player.
we can buy him back though
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2024, 09:13:56 PM
The pursuit of Rogers doesn't feel right: for a start, his forename is Morgan (and look what happened to the last 'Morgan'). And, he has the 'feel' of our alleged pursuit of Benrhama when Deano was manager. It does seem strange that after his pre-season hype we offloaded Bidace but are now chasing a similar player.
Weird.
I don't mind offering them a few million, loaning him back for the year & seeing if they take the quick profit.
If they start trying to milk it for anything over £5M or so, then we should walk away & look at other young talent.
And don't get me wrong, Im not saying that they aren't entitled to milk the situation.
They are the selling club, so they can ask for whatever amount they want.
But we shouldn't entertain anything over £5M for a player who has worse stats than A. Ramsey, Philogene-Bidace, Archer, Azaz did at that level.
Yeah but by that logic you wouldn’t have spent a couple of million on Cole Palmer. I’m not saying you’re necessarily wrong, but I think it’s more nuanced than just who has better stats - especially when it comes to young players.
Post by: algy on January 19, 2024, 11:10:43 PM
Bloody hell, Bridge of Orchy and Campbeltown have Paisley postcodes?Re post codes.......
Why don't London postcodes start with 'L' ?
There's villages three miles from me that have Newport postcodes, despite being five miles inside England
I can field this. (Oh my giddy God, I fucking love postcode chat) London was the first place that needed postcodes, because it was so big, hence the E, SE, SW, W, N etc.
As for Newport, I DON'T DO PROVINCIAL POSTCODES.
Seems jarring that much of this area (the bits where you'll struggle to find a bus to not talk to people on) has even a nominal connection to Paisley. Would take me less time to get to Birmingham than much of the Paisley postcode area.
(https://i.ibb.co/G5qrcTq/pa.webp) (https://ibb.co/G5qrcTq)
That's mad really, when you think of it.
Post by: AV84 on January 19, 2024, 11:22:26 PM
Post by: Villafirst on January 19, 2024, 11:33:40 PM
I still can’t believe we let Philogene go, he looks a real player.
Especially at a reported £5m, which is way too low - should've been a £10-15m fee....
Post by: VillaTim on January 19, 2024, 11:35:26 PM
I still can’t believe we let Philogene go, he looks a real player.hasn't featured for a while been injured
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 20, 2024, 12:52:29 AM
I still can’t believe we let Philogene go, he looks a real player.
Especially at a reported £5m, which is way too low - should've been a £10-15m fee....
We can still buy him back tho
Post by: TelfordVilla on January 20, 2024, 06:38:57 AM
Post by: Dave P on January 20, 2024, 08:22:59 AM
He did nothing on loan at Stoke or Cardiff. It seems a couple of useful pre season showings have coloured everyone's imagination. A couple of early goals at Hull and now injured again. A bit like keinan Davis
Wasn’t he Cardiff’s player of the season?
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 20, 2024, 08:51:22 AM
The pursuit of Rogers doesn't feel right: for a start, his forename is Morgan (and look what happened to the last 'Morgan'). And, he has the 'feel' of our alleged pursuit of Benrhama when Deano was manager. It does seem strange that after his pre-season hype we offloaded Bidace but are now chasing a similar player.
Weird.
I don't mind offering them a few million, loaning him back for the year & seeing if they take the quick profit.
If they start trying to milk it for anything over £5M or so, then we should walk away & look at other young talent.
And don't get me wrong, Im not saying that they aren't entitled to milk the situation.
They are the selling club, so they can ask for whatever amount they want.
But we shouldn't entertain anything over £5M for a player who has worse stats than A. Ramsey, Philogene-Bidace, Archer, Azaz did at that level.
Say hello to Dispy and Tinky Winky for me.
What is a "Dispy"?
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 20, 2024, 08:55:03 AM
The pursuit of Rogers doesn't feel right: for a start, his forename is Morgan (and look what happened to the last 'Morgan'). And, he has the 'feel' of our alleged pursuit of Benrhama when Deano was manager. It does seem strange that after his pre-season hype we offloaded Bidace but are now chasing a similar player.
Weird.
I don't mind offering them a few million, loaning him back for the year & seeing if they take the quick profit.
If they start trying to milk it for anything over £5M or so, then we should walk away & look at other young talent.
And don't get me wrong, Im not saying that they aren't entitled to milk the situation.
They are the selling club, so they can ask for whatever amount they want.
But we shouldn't entertain anything over £5M for a player who has worse stats than A. Ramsey, Philogene-Bidace, Archer, Azaz did at that level.
Yeah but by that logic you wouldn’t have spent a couple of million on Cole Palmer. I’m not saying you’re necessarily wrong, but I think it’s more nuanced than just who has better stats - especially when it comes to young players.
Oh, I agree, it is more nuanced, but from a basic stats are a start to a more in depth review of the player.
I will also add that I watched a lot of Boro last year due to the loans, I watch & discuss a lot of Plymouth with my neighbours & friends where I live, so my views on their performances last year aren't based on stats alone...
Post by: Malandro on January 20, 2024, 08:59:51 AM
The pursuit of Rogers doesn't feel right: for a start, his forename is Morgan (and look what happened to the last 'Morgan'). And, he has the 'feel' of our alleged pursuit of Benrhama when Deano was manager. It does seem strange that after his pre-season hype we offloaded Bidace but are now chasing a similar player.
Weird.
I don't mind offering them a few million, loaning him back for the year & seeing if they take the quick profit.
If they start trying to milk it for anything over £5M or so, then we should walk away & look at other young talent.
And don't get me wrong, Im not saying that they aren't entitled to milk the situation.
They are the selling club, so they can ask for whatever amount they want.
But we shouldn't entertain anything over £5M for a player who has worse stats than A. Ramsey, Philogene-Bidace, Archer, Azaz did at that level.
Say hello to Dispy and Tinky Winky for me.
What is a "Dispy"?
Someone that believes a young, English forward wanted by a top-four Premier league team, is going to cost two million pounds.
Ok Dispy?
Post by: eamonn on January 20, 2024, 09:47:35 AM
He did nothing on loan at Stoke or Cardiff. It seems a couple of useful pre season showings have coloured everyone's imagination. A couple of early goals at Hull and now injured again. A bit like keinan Davis
6 goals and 5 assists in 14 games for Hull before getting injured. Their next best player has 7 goal involvements and has played 10 games more. He also made his England U21 debut in the autumn and scored twice on his debut.
He's a big reason why Hull are in play-off contention, and is a far more exciting prospect than Keinan ever was.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 20, 2024, 10:52:48 AM
Someone that believes a young, English forward wanted by a top-four Premier league team, is going to cost two million pounds.
Ok Dispy?
I never mentioned £2M for him.
I never mentioned any specific fee for Morgan other than the phrases "a few million" & "not wanting to go over £5M".
Maybe you should add reading to spelling, understanding & insult attempts to the list of things you need to work on for a little self improvement.
And I stand by my statement of not wanting to go over £5M for a 21.5 year old who is living off his potential rating from three years ago, who we could have got for £1M last year, has pulled up no trees in any of his loan spells, has just started to show a little consistency at Boro & whose fans rate him as lower quality than Finn Azaz...
While discussing the sales of the likes of Aaron Ramsey, Archer & Philogene-Bidace, I was advised by more than one individual that if they hadn't shown their worth to the first team by the age of 20, despite good numbers in the Championship, then they weren't worth continuing with.
Rogers is 21.5 & only just showing glimpses of his ability in the Championship.
If you think he is worth more, then maybe instead of attempting & failing to insult me because you disagree, it might be worth stating what you think he is worth & your reasons for that valuation.
You never know, you may educate me on the subject.
Post by: Malandro on January 20, 2024, 12:02:06 PM
Someone that believes a young, English forward wanted by a top-four Premier league team, is going to cost two million pounds.
Ok Dispy?
I never mentioned £2M for him.
I never mentioned any specific fee for Morgan other than the phrases "a few million" & "not wanting to go over £5M".
Maybe you should add reading to spelling, understanding & insult attempts to the list of things you need to work on for a little self improvement.
And I stand by my statement of not wanting to go over £5M for a 21.5 year old who is living off his potential rating from three years ago, who we could have got for £1M last year, has pulled up no trees in any of his loan spells, has just started to show a little consistency at Boro & whose fans rate him as lower quality than Finn Azaz...
While discussing the sales of the likes of Aaron Ramsey, Archer & Philogene-Bidace, I was advised by more than one individual that if they hadn't shown their worth to the first team by the age of 20, despite good numbers in the Championship, then they weren't worth continuing with.
Rogers is 21.5 & only just showing glimpses of his ability in the Championship.
If you think he is worth more, then maybe instead of attempting & failing to insult me because you disagree, it might be worth stating what you think he is worth & your reasons for that valuation.
You never know, you may educate me on the subject.
You said offer a couple of million.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 20, 2024, 01:37:54 PM
Someone that believes a young, English forward wanted by a top-four Premier league team, is going to cost two million pounds.
Ok Dispy?
I never mentioned £2M for him.
I never mentioned any specific fee for Morgan other than the phrases "a few million" & "not wanting to go over £5M".
Maybe you should add reading to spelling, understanding & insult attempts to the list of things you need to work on for a little self improvement.
And I stand by my statement of not wanting to go over £5M for a 21.5 year old who is living off his potential rating from three years ago, who we could have got for £1M last year, has pulled up no trees in any of his loan spells, has just started to show a little consistency at Boro & whose fans rate him as lower quality than Finn Azaz...
While discussing the sales of the likes of Aaron Ramsey, Archer & Philogene-Bidace, I was advised by more than one individual that if they hadn't shown their worth to the first team by the age of 20, despite good numbers in the Championship, then they weren't worth continuing with.
Rogers is 21.5 & only just showing glimpses of his ability in the Championship.
If you think he is worth more, then maybe instead of attempting & failing to insult me because you disagree, it might be worth stating what you think he is worth & your reasons for that valuation.
You never know, you may educate me on the subject.
You said offer a couple of million.
No, I didn't.
I said "a few million, but not over five million".
I know this because I wrote it down. You even quoted it.
But lets not quibble over a little documented terminology.
I must admit, I was a little confused by your tone towards me over what is basically a difference of opinion in valuation.
I apologise for being a little rude back to you & offer a hand of friendship to ease the tension.
With regards the discussion, I have offered my view & given reasons for my opinion.
If you could offer your counter valuation & the reasons for that opinion then we can have a proper chat & move on. 👍
Post by: brontebilly on January 20, 2024, 02:00:40 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 20, 2024, 02:20:24 PM
Eze maybe an option for next summer? His strength on the ball and first touch reminds me of Grealish at his best for us.
He’s a top player. However whilst we have a stable squad I’d hope we use the opportunity to sign Eze/Olise whilst they’re at QPR/Reading rather than paying the £60m (?) needed but with marginal improvement to the first team. A different story if Ramsey/McGinn/Buendia are sold to fund it.
Post by: Malandro on January 20, 2024, 03:43:42 PM
Someone that believes a young, English forward wanted by a top-four Premier league team, is going to cost two million pounds.
Ok Dispy?
I never mentioned £2M for him.
I never mentioned any specific fee for Morgan other than the phrases "a few million" & "not wanting to go over £5M".
Maybe you should add reading to spelling, understanding & insult attempts to the list of things you need to work on for a little self improvement.
And I stand by my statement of not wanting to go over £5M for a 21.5 year old who is living off his potential rating from three years ago, who we could have got for £1M last year, has pulled up no trees in any of his loan spells, has just started to show a little consistency at Boro & whose fans rate him as lower quality than Finn Azaz...
While discussing the sales of the likes of Aaron Ramsey, Archer & Philogene-Bidace, I was advised by more than one individual that if they hadn't shown their worth to the first team by the age of 20, despite good numbers in the Championship, then they weren't worth continuing with.
Rogers is 21.5 & only just showing glimpses of his ability in the Championship.
If you think he is worth more, then maybe instead of attempting & failing to insult me because you disagree, it might be worth stating what you think he is worth & your reasons for that valuation.
You never know, you may educate me on the subject.
You said offer a couple of million.
No, I didn't.
I said "a few million, but not over five million".
I know this because I wrote it down. You even quoted it.
But lets not quibble over a little documented terminology.
I must admit, I was a little confused by your tone towards me over what is basically a difference of opinion in valuation.
I apologise for being a little rude back to you & offer a hand of friendship to ease the tension.
With regards the discussion, I have offered my view & given reasons for my opinion.
If you could offer your counter valuation & the reasons for that opinion then we can have a proper chat & move on. 👍
A few
Someone that believes a young, English forward wanted by a top-four Premier league team, is going to cost two million pounds.
Ok Dispy?
I never mentioned £2M for him.
I never mentioned any specific fee for Morgan other than the phrases "a few million" & "not wanting to go over £5M".
Maybe you should add reading to spelling, understanding & insult attempts to the list of things you need to work on for a little self improvement.
And I stand by my statement of not wanting to go over £5M for a 21.5 year old who is living off his potential rating from three years ago, who we could have got for £1M last year, has pulled up no trees in any of his loan spells, has just started to show a little consistency at Boro & whose fans rate him as lower quality than Finn Azaz...
While discussing the sales of the likes of Aaron Ramsey, Archer & Philogene-Bidace, I was advised by more than one individual that if they hadn't shown their worth to the first team by the age of 20, despite good numbers in the Championship, then they weren't worth continuing with.
Rogers is 21.5 & only just showing glimpses of his ability in the Championship.
If you think he is worth more, then maybe instead of attempting & failing to insult me because you disagree, it might be worth stating what you think he is worth & your reasons for that valuation.
You never know, you may educate me on the subject.
Calm down chap.The la la land reference was a joke. I was just suggesting your valuation of Rogers is wrong.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 20, 2024, 03:50:05 PM
Calm down chap.The la la land reference was a joke. I was just suggesting your valuation of Rogers is wrong.
Apologies for misinterpreting. 👍
Out of interest, why do you think my valuation is wrong?
I think you mentioned the "English premium", but we let go a few English players with potential recently & they didn't seem to have that premium attached to them.
And while Azaz is Irish, I think he still counts as home grown, so the same should apply to him, in theory.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 20, 2024, 04:34:22 PM
And while Azaz is Irish, I think he still counts as home grown, so the same should apply to him, in theory.
Or Asda, as my Dad keeps calling him.
Post by: Malandro on January 20, 2024, 05:15:02 PM
Calm down chap.The la la land reference was a joke. I was just suggesting your valuation of Rogers is wrong.
Apologies for misinterpreting. 👍
Out of interest, why do you think my valuation is wrong?
I think you mentioned the "English premium", but we let go a few English players with potential recently & they didn't seem to have that premium attached to them.
And while Azaz is Irish, I think he still counts as home grown, so the same should apply to him, in theory.
A combination of reasons - January is not a great month to buy players, he’s on a long contract and as big premier league club - we obviously think he has huge potential so that adds a premium- look at his assist today.
Perhaps you are right and they need the money - but I suspect he will be at least eight million - probably more.
I hope we get him, but I think they may gamble that he gets even better in the next part of the season.
Post by: VillaTim on January 20, 2024, 05:27:02 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 20, 2024, 05:34:55 PM
Calm down chap.The la la land reference was a joke. I was just suggesting your valuation of Rogers is wrong.
Apologies for misinterpreting. 👍
Out of interest, why do you think my valuation is wrong?
I think you mentioned the "English premium", but we let go a few English players with potential recently & they didn't seem to have that premium attached to them.
And while Azaz is Irish, I think he still counts as home grown, so the same should apply to him, in theory.
A combination of reasons - January is not a great month to buy players, he’s on a long contract and as big premier league club - we obviously think he has huge potential so that adds a premium- look at his assist today.
Perhaps you are right and they need the money - but I suspect he will be at least eight million - probably more.
I hope we get him, but I think they may gamble that he gets even better in the next part of the season.
Those first three points are all fair & valid.
One thing I would add though, is that I think we adjusted our price for Azaz to suit their budget. And while we have wealthy owners, FFP / P&S rules means that we are quite tight in terms of budget, so if Boro want a sale, as is their new model of buying young & turning a profit, then they are going to have to work with us, as we did with them & Azaz.
Which makes why he wasn't part of the Azaz deal even more puzzling to me. Unless him being part of the deal stops the benefits we gain from selling an "academy" player? Im not sure about that though, but there has to be a reason.
Although to be honest, in my genuinely honest opinion, in terms of Rogers value, I just don't think he has done enough so far in his career to warrant anything over £5M. (I didn't see his assist today, I admit). I do like his height though. And he has a bit of pace & power about him. So there is something to work with for a good manager.
But I agree that he will probably go for about £8M - £10M.
Which I think would be a mistake for us to pay that amount & I would rather we walk away if it was for that amount.
But if we do, then I hope I am wrong & he turns into a world beater.
That goes without saying... 😉
Post by: Malandro on January 20, 2024, 05:35:07 PM
Looks like Rogers got an assist today in a 1-1 with Rotherham
It was brilliant too.
Post by: Risso on January 20, 2024, 05:45:00 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 20, 2024, 05:45:14 PM
One thing I would add though, is that I think we adjusted our price for Azaz to suit their budget. And while we have wealthy owners, FFP / P&S rules means that we are quite tight in terms of budget, so if Boro want a sale, as is their new model of buying young & turning a profit, then they are going to have to work with us, as we did with them & Azaz.
How did we work with Boro to suit their budget? I think it is far more likely that at the end of last season Azaz signed his contract extension with a clause he could leave for x amount of money and he's gone for that.
I don't really see how Boro have any obligation to work with us for their player, either, tbh. If we want him, we're going to pay what he's worth on the market, they are operating by selling players on, yes, but then again, so is almost every other club.
Back to Azaz, I think it's easy to forget, he is not really a home grown product for us even if he is for FFP purposes - he joined at the start of the 22-23 season, already aged 21, was loaned out for two seasons and then sold. I don't think he's spent much time around Bodymoor, so he's really not a youth product, he's a commodity (basically, horrible word though it is) that we've just made a couple of million quid for.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 20, 2024, 05:48:21 PM
Yes, not doing a deal at the same time as Azaz looks very, very odd.
Reckon there's been some agent activity since then.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 20, 2024, 06:10:30 PM
One thing I would add though, is that I think we adjusted our price for Azaz to suit their budget. And while we have wealthy owners, FFP / P&S rules means that we are quite tight in terms of budget, so if Boro want a sale, as is their new model of buying young & turning a profit, then they are going to have to work with us, as we did with them & Azaz.
How did we work with Boro to suit their budget? I think it is far more likely that at the end of last season Azaz signed his contract extension with a clause he could leave for x amount of money and he's gone for that.
I don't really see how Boro have any obligation to work with us for their player, either, tbh. If we want him, we're going to pay what he's worth on the market, they are operating by selling players on, yes, but then again, so is almost every other club.
Back to Azaz, I think it's easy to forget, he is not really a home grown product for us even if he is for FFP purposes - he joined at the start of the 22-23 season, already aged 21, was loaned out for two seasons and then sold. I don't think he's spent much time around Bodymoor, so he's really not a youth product, he's a commodity (basically, horrible word though it is) that we've just made a couple of million quid for.
I have mentioned it previously that Azaz numbers rival the likes of Aaron Ramsey who went for £15M, Dewsbury-Hall who is lauded as one of the best players in the Championship & much better than the likes of Alex Scott who went for £25M.
And I live in Plymouth so talk to several regular match going fans who absolutely sang his praises every week he played.
So £2M is absolutely nowhere near where his performances & stats suggest he should be valued at.
In my humble opinion.
Im not stating that we 100% worked with Boro & their budget. That is my summation of the situation.
But I agree, Azaz was a "commodity", who was purchased to sell. And I accept that without argument. I just think he was worth a lot more than £2M.
And you are correct, Boro have no obligation to work with us, but considering we have just loaned them Archer, A. Ramsey & practically gave them Azaz for the price of a crate of pork scratchings, it might be good business for them to work with us.
Especially considering we have another crop of youngsters who will be coming out of the oven fairly soon in the likes of Young, Feeney, Broggio, Wilson, Proctor, etc.
Post by: Gareth on January 20, 2024, 06:30:18 PM
I’m not big on comparing stats, there are too many variables such as opposition / style of play, it’s in the eye of those doing the spotting to assess
If I’m Boro and I’m under no pressure to sell I’d be wanting to get top dollar, be that 10m+ to subsidise a couple of players who might push them right into the mix to go up.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 20, 2024, 06:43:36 PM
I just think we undervalue some of our sales.
But, I have said my piece on it & it's probably boring the shit out of everybody, so I will shut the fuck up about it from the now. 😂👍
Post by: Gareth on January 20, 2024, 06:52:05 PM
Yeah, I suppose you are absolutely right, that Boro should be looking after their own interests.
I just think we undervalue some of our sales.
But, I have said my piece on it & it's probably boring the shit out of everybody, so I will shut the fuck up about it from the now. 😂👍
🤣 don’t stop or I’ll start going on about VAR offsides being a sham again and that’s more boring.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 20, 2024, 06:56:17 PM
Yeah, I suppose you are absolutely right, that Boro should be looking after their own interests.
I just think we undervalue some of our sales.
But, I have said my piece on it & it's probably boring the shit out of everybody, so I will shut the fuck up about it from the now. 😂👍
🤣 don’t stop or I’ll start going on about VAR offsides being a sham again and that’s more boring.
Or graphic design elements being a mistake or not... 👀😂
Post by: Malandro on January 20, 2024, 07:00:39 PM
Yeah, I suppose you are absolutely right, that Boro should be looking after their own interests.
I just think we undervalue some of our sales.
But, I have said my piece on it & it's probably boring the shit out of everybody, so I will shut the fuck up about it from the now. 😂👍
Not boring at all, just discussing it! 👍
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 20, 2024, 07:13:39 PM
Romano:
🟣🔵 Aston Villa have submitted an improved, significant new offer to Middlesbrough for Morgan Rogers.
Rogers remains Aston Villa's and Unai Emery's priority for January window.
Rogers sees this as a huge opportunity and wants #AVFC move.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 20, 2024, 08:06:04 PM
For some reason, I had it in my head that he only had one or two of each. Maybe I got his stats confused with Alex Scotts.
Granted 4 goals & 3 assists have come from the EFL Cup, but still, overall, it's pretty impressive from the left wing / number 10 role.
I hadn't realised he had played 32 games either.
So that makes me re-evaluate my valuation of him & probably The Malandros numbers of £8M-£10M is probably about right...
Post by: VillaTim on January 20, 2024, 08:19:03 PM
(edit just checked he played the whole game, can't say i recall him. It was such a poor game though)
Post by: AV84 on January 20, 2024, 08:26:58 PM
Post by: LeonW on January 20, 2024, 08:49:20 PM
Yeah, I suppose you are absolutely right, that Boro should be looking after their own interests.
I just think we undervalue some of our sales.
But, I have said my piece on it & it's probably boring the shit out of everybody, so I will shut the fuck up about it from the now. 😂👍
Not boring at all, just discussing it! 👍
I agree and I think Pablo might have a point here. When you think how much the likes of R.Brewster went for. I do wonder whether part of this is about immediate sales for FFP rather than waiting the buying club out. We have largely got better at this however, at least compared to what we use to be like.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 20, 2024, 08:54:30 PM
Having said all I have said about Rogers, I hadn't actually checked his stats for this year at Boro & I am surprised to find out that he has 6 goals & 9 assists (possibly 10 assists if todays hasn't been added yet) in 32 games.
For some reason, I had it in my head that he only had one or two of each. Maybe I got his stats confused with Alex Scotts.
Granted 4 goals & 3 assists have come from the EFL Cup, but still, overall, it's pretty impressive from the left wing / number 10 role.
I hadn't realised he had played 32 games either.
So that makes me re-evaluate my valuation of him & probably The Malandros numbers of £8M-£10M is probably about right...
£10m is mooted to be the valuation, which sounds reasonable enough to me.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 20, 2024, 09:27:20 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 20, 2024, 09:48:44 PM
Imagine this gets done after their cup game Tuesdaywhat if Boro win
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 20, 2024, 10:12:17 PM
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Post by: Somniloquism on January 20, 2024, 11:44:24 PM
Yes, not doing a deal at the same time as Azaz looks very, very odd.
Reckon there's been some agent activity since then.
Might also be that a deal / swap might affect the FFP dealings.
Post by: robleflaneur on January 20, 2024, 11:47:10 PM
Man City obviously liked what they saw and poached him off the Albion youth team,will fit in well then.His physique over 6 feet tall ,the metric measurements vary according to different internet sites ,means he might be able to play in any forward role.Any possible understudy to Ollie is a welcome addition.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 20, 2024, 11:57:36 PM
Any possible understudy to Ollie is a welcome addition.
Some Born fans seem to think he's an Ollie type player (good work rate etc, maybe better technically) and we're bypassing the Brentford bit.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 21, 2024, 12:07:47 AM
Post by: brontebilly on January 21, 2024, 12:49:26 AM
Don't be too hard on Ramsey, after an extended injury it takes weeks to get anywhere near the fitness required for the premiership. His sharness is missing and that will come, if he were to be put on the market all top clubs would be after him, he's that good.
Absolutely, he's struggling this season but he's a cracking player. Even that day against Brighton when he came on the difference he made to the team was ridiculous. Unfortunately that was the only time this season really that he made a big impact. I don't think this kid from Boro is going to get anywhere near Ramsey's best, this season anyway.
Without hearing about FFP, it just seems strange to me why we didn't put that investment and effort into improving Aaron Ramsey.
Post by: john2710 on January 21, 2024, 09:07:57 AM
As far as Rogers is concerned, he's one development & a replacement for Zaniolo.
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 21, 2024, 09:08:33 AM
Don't be too hard on Ramsey, after an extended injury it takes weeks to get anywhere near the fitness required for the premiership. His sharness is missing and that will come, if he were to be put on the market all top clubs would be after him, he's that good.
Absolutely, he's struggling this season but he's a cracking player. Even that day against Brighton when he came on the difference he made to the team was ridiculous. Unfortunately that was the only time this season really that he made a big impact. I don't think this kid from Boro is going to get anywhere near Ramsey's best, this season anyway.
Without hearing about FFP, it just seems strange to me why we didn't put that investment and effort into improving Aaron Ramsey.
It might be as simple as Emery and the coaching staff couldn’t really see it with A Ramsey, he hasn’t really pulled up any trees at Burnley. To be honest I don’t know anything about Rogers and can’t remember him against us a few weeks ago. Guess in Emery we trust.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 21, 2024, 09:56:50 AM
Don't be too hard on Ramsey, after an extended injury it takes weeks to get anywhere near the fitness required for the premiership. His sharness is missing and that will come, if he were to be put on the market all top clubs would be after him, he's that good.
Absolutely, he's struggling this season but he's a cracking player. Even that day against Brighton when he came on the difference he made to the team was ridiculous. Unfortunately that was the only time this season really that he made a big impact. I don't think this kid from Boro is going to get anywhere near Ramsey's best, this season anyway.
Without hearing about FFP, it just seems strange to me why we didn't put that investment and effort into improving Aaron Ramsey.
It might be as simple as Emery and the coaching staff couldn’t really see it with A Ramsey, he hasn’t really pulled up any trees at Burnley. To be honest I don’t know anything about Rogers and can’t remember him against us a few weeks ago. Guess in Emery we trust.
Aaron Ramsey has done more for Villa wearing a Burnley shirt than he did when he was on our books by giving that penalty away!
Post by: Risso on January 21, 2024, 11:18:40 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 21, 2024, 11:22:19 AM
Burnley are a shit show on the pitch. Aaron Ramsey is suffering due to that.
His form last year shows that at a certain level, he can perform well. That level is upper Championship / lower Prem as first choice. Midtable / cup games as backup.
But like when Louis Barry was struggling at Ipswich, again, because they were a shit show of a club, we had the option of recalling the player & sending him to a club that wasn't a shit show. And He found his form before his injury.
At 20 years old, Aaron Ramsey still has developing to do.
So instead of having 6 months of his development ruined by a shit show club, he now has at least a year & probably more because we aren't likely to be bringing him back & he is most likely to be back in the Championship again next year.
I genuinely believe that with a proper development plan & being at Villa still, he could have been offering us good squad depth in the cups, against lower quality Prem teams & in Europe this year.
And next year, who knows.
And we wouldn't be looking at spending £10M on a 21.5 year old who hasn't performed better than Aaron Ramsey did in the Championship...
Post by: AV84 on January 21, 2024, 11:24:10 AM
It looks like we're treading a bit of a fine line with FFP, in common with just about everybody else. But it seems strange that you'd go to all the bother of trying to bring in that bloke from Barcelona, then bring Monchi in, for our main target to be some kid from Middlesbrough with wholly unexceptional stats.
Maybe it's a case of Monchi and Co having a load of targets in different price brackets and depending on where we are financially, we'll work off the corresponding list.
If I had to stab a guess at how things stand I'd say we're trying to strengthen the squad as "cheaply" as possible to secure a CL place, which should guarantee us more money in the summer, when Monchi will be able to move up a bracket or two.
Post by: Risso on January 21, 2024, 11:28:29 AM
It looks like we're treading a bit of a fine line with FFP, in common with just about everybody else. But it seems strange that you'd go to all the bother of trying to bring in that bloke from Barcelona, then bring Monchi in, for our main target to be some kid from Middlesbrough with wholly unexceptional stats.
Maybe it's a case of Monchi and Co having a load of targets in different price brackets and depending on where we are financially, we'll work off the corresponding list.
If I had to stab a guess at how things stand I'd say we're trying to strengthen the squad as "cheaply" as possible to secure a CL place, which should guarantee us more money in the summer, when Monchi will be able to move up a bracket or two.
But FFP is mostly historic, so he'd have known what we were dealing with as soon as he arrived. To be honest, the biggest thing that is hobbling us FFP wise at the moment is probably the amortisation and wages of Diaby, who really hasn't presented anything like decent value for money so far.
Post by: AV84 on January 21, 2024, 11:38:51 AM
But FFP is mostly historic, so he'd have known what we were dealing with as soon as he arrived. To be honest, the biggest thing that is hobbling us FFP wise at the moment is probably the amortisation and wages of Diaby, who really hasn't presented anything like decent value for money so far.
I'll be honest, I don't really get how FFP works, but even if it's mostly historic, couldn't you still plan for it? Like we could take a gamble now and spend 50mil on one player in the hopes we make CL and get a load of new income to cover it. Or, we play it safe, spend very little now, hope we still get CL and have much more of that cash available to us to spend in the future, while still keeping well clear of the FFP line?
Post by: VillaTim on January 21, 2024, 11:39:12 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 21, 2024, 11:44:15 AM
Quote failBut FFP is mostly historic, so he'd have known what we were dealing with as soon as he arrived. To be honest, the biggest thing that is hobbling us FFP wise at the moment is probably the amortisation and wages of Diaby, who really hasn't presented anything like decent value for money so far.
I'll be honest, I don't really get how FFP works, but even if it's mostly historic, couldn't you still plan for it? Like we could take a gamble now and spend 50mil on one player in the hopes we make CL and get a load of new income to cover it. Or, we play it safe, spend very little now, hope we still get CL and have much more of that cash available to us to spend in the future, while still keeping well clear of the FFP line?
It’s a 3 year rolling calculation, so you go into the new financial year knowing your likely budget, obviously a cup run or selling a player can have a positive effect.
But if you gamble on a big signing or signings knowing that will take you into negative territory then you get punished.
Just like in any business, a calculated risk that can be mitigated is fine, gambling is not.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 21, 2024, 11:47:10 AM
But it seems strange that you'd go to all the bother of trying to bring in that bloke from Barcelona, then bring Monchi in, for our main target to be some kid from Middlesbrough with wholly unexceptional stats.
Maybe part of the remit is to sell players for big money and replace them with 2/3 'finds' from Monchi. Be interesting to know who's on his list.
Post by: eamonn on January 21, 2024, 11:48:55 AM
As far as all of our summer signings go, Torres is probably the only one who has been outstanding from very early on. Diaby, Zaniolo, and Tielemans have taken time to settle, or started well and then fallen off a bit. And then Ramsey hasn't come back as good as he was last season. If it wasn't for Bailey having some kind of resurgence of late we'd be looking a bit shaky in that general area. I'd assume it's a combination of all of those things that have us looking at Rogers. There were a few reports that we'd agreed a fee for Ngonge a week or so ago, but he wanted to stay in Italy. So maybe those reports were correct, and with him signing foe Napoli we've moved on to this guy. Could also explain why it wasn't negotiated with the Azaz deal?
No pressure on a kid to hit the ground running where more experienced, expensive players have failed! I'd be amazed if his immediate effect is any greater than Duran's.
Post by: Risso on January 21, 2024, 11:50:36 AM
But FFP is mostly historic, so he'd have known what we were dealing with as soon as he arrived. To be honest, the biggest thing that is hobbling us FFP wise at the moment is probably the amortisation and wages of Diaby, who really hasn't presented anything like decent value for money so far.
I'll be honest, I don't really get how FFP works, but even if it's mostly historic, couldn't you still plan for it? Like we could take a gamble now and spend 50mil on one player in the hopes we make CL and get a load of new income to cover it. Or, we play it safe, spend very little now, hope we still get CL and have much more of that cash available to us to spend in the future, while still keeping well clear of the FFP line?
Yep,the current year is mostly based on projections, but even then you're dealing with a lot of known information like season ticket sales. Obviously final league position and cup runs will make a difference like you say, but in that situation you could take a reasonable guess. A team like Luton probably isn't going to budget for top 6, and somebody like Liverpool aren't going to plan on finishing bottom half.
Post by: AV84 on January 21, 2024, 11:53:33 AM
It’s a 3 year rolling calculation, so you go into the new financial year knowing your likely budget, obviously a cup run or selling a player can have a positive effect.
But if you gamble on a big signing or signings knowing that will take you into negative territory then you get punished.
Just like in any business, a calculated risk that can be mitigated is fine, gambling is not.
Yeah, so it's as I thought. You would be aware of how close you are to the line every window, and you'd be able to calculate going forward what any big spend would likely mean in the future, in terms of being a massive risk or a good investment. I'd imagine going forward January windows are going to be generally quite low key. We're already seeing that across the leagues this year.
Post by: LeeB on January 21, 2024, 11:57:38 AM
It’s a 3 year rolling calculation, so you go into the new financial year knowing your likely budget, obviously a cup run or selling a player can have a positive effect.
But if you gamble on a big signing or signings knowing that will take you into negative territory then you get punished.
Just like in any business, a calculated risk that can be mitigated is fine, gambling is not.
Yeah, so it's as I thought. You would be aware of how close you are to the line every window, and you'd be able to calculate going forward what any big spend would likely mean in the future, in terms of being a massive risk or a good investment. I'd imagine going forward January windows are going to be generally quite low key. We're already seeing that across the leagues this year.
I bet Sky Sports are massively pissed off with it.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 21, 2024, 12:01:13 PM
Yes, and I think this January is particularly flat because so many clubs appear to be pushing against their FFP ceiling.It’s a 3 year rolling calculation, so you go into the new financial year knowing your likely budget, obviously a cup run or selling a player can have a positive effect.
But if you gamble on a big signing or signings knowing that will take you into negative territory then you get punished.
Just like in any business, a calculated risk that can be mitigated is fine, gambling is not.
Yeah, so it's as I thought. You would be aware of how close you are to the line every window, and you'd be able to calculate going forward what any big spend would likely mean in the future, in terms of being a massive risk or a good investment. I'd imagine going forward January windows are going to be generally quite low key. We're already seeing that across the leagues this year.
As Risso says, a club should know most of its key revenue streams TV money, Sponsorship,Season Ticket and gate money.
They will also know player wages and amortisation costs.
Post by: garyellis on January 21, 2024, 12:36:58 PM
Of the 3 youngsters we have been linked with or signed only one is from England.
We can’t ignore one of the most competitive leagues in Europe nor should we be limited to these shores.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 21, 2024, 12:48:28 PM
It’s a 3 year rolling calculation, so you go into the new financial year knowing your likely budget, obviously a cup run or selling a player can have a positive effect.
But if you gamble on a big signing or signings knowing that will take you into negative territory then you get punished.
Just like in any business, a calculated risk that can be mitigated is fine, gambling is not.
Yeah, so it's as I thought. You would be aware of how close you are to the line every window, and you'd be able to calculate going forward what any big spend would likely mean in the future, in terms of being a massive risk or a good investment. I'd imagine going forward January windows are going to be generally quite low key. We're already seeing that across the leagues this year.
I bet Sky Sports are massively pissed off with it.
Thats the thing that raises a smile about the whole situation...
Post by: OCD on January 21, 2024, 01:57:10 PM
But FFP is mostly historic, so he'd have known what we were dealing with as soon as he arrived. To be honest, the biggest thing that is hobbling us FFP wise at the moment is probably the amortisation and wages of Diaby, who really hasn't presented anything like decent value for money so far.
I'll be honest, I don't really get how FFP works, but even if it's mostly historic, couldn't you still plan for it? Like we could take a gamble now and spend 50mil on one player in the hopes we make CL and get a load of new income to cover it. Or, we play it safe, spend very little now, hope we still get CL and have much more of that cash available to us to spend in the future, while still keeping well clear of the FFP line?
Yep,the current year is mostly based on projections, but even then you're dealing with a lot of known information like season ticket sales. Obviously final league position and cup runs will make a difference like you say, but in that situation you could take a reasonable guess. A team like Luton probably isn't going to budget for top 6, and somebody like Liverpool aren't going to plan on finishing bottom half.
But a team like Everton will budget for finishing 6th!
Post by: Malandro on January 21, 2024, 02:00:44 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 21, 2024, 02:03:00 PM
If we are tight on FFP, we will be in the old position of selling somebody like Luiz, because we need the money and we can’t match his ambitions.
If there’s truth in the rumour Man City want him for £100m I can see that happening.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 21, 2024, 02:03:53 PM
There isntIf we are tight on FFP, we will be in the old position of selling somebody like Luiz, because we need the money and we can’t match his ambitions.
If there’s truth in the rumour Man City want him for £100m I can see that happening.
Post by: KevinGage on January 21, 2024, 02:15:26 PM
It looks like we're treading a bit of a fine line with FFP, in common with just about everybody else. But it seems strange that you'd go to all the bother of trying to bring in that bloke from Barcelona, then bring Monchi in, for our main target to be some kid from Middlesbrough with wholly unexceptional stats.
Rogers looks like the sort of player that Lange would have been aware of, particularly with the Mark Harrison connection. Emery and co have shown they're not averse to using existing knowledge by keeping on Nanny McPhee and signing Tielemans (who we'd been linked with under Carpethead and had obv been watching for a while).
There are few secrets in the game, so if Citeh were prepared to spend money on a 17-year-old in 2019, it's possible Emery and the Arsenal set up knew of him too.
It's not a deal that jumps out at me as a priority this winter. And I didn't see anything in the cup game that made me want to keep an eye on him in the future (unlike Foster at Burnleh or Kluivert at Bournemouth etc).
But I assume Monchi et al aren't just throwing a few darts around and hoping for the best.
Post by: Rigadon on January 21, 2024, 02:24:27 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 21, 2024, 02:25:13 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 21, 2024, 02:25:26 PM
If we are tight on FFP, we will be in the old position of selling somebody like Luiz, because we need the money and we can’t match his ambitions.
That might be the case but there won’t be many clubs which will have the spare cash/FFP headroom to afford him.
Selling well will be critical for growth but not easy to do. Hopefully Monchi can repeat his Seville success.
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 21, 2024, 02:32:20 PM
Not for a transfer.
For his hair.
Post by: OCD on January 21, 2024, 02:44:16 PM
If we are tight on FFP, we will be in the old position of selling somebody like Luiz, because we need the money and we can’t match his ambitions.
If there’s truth in the rumour Man City want him for £100m I can see that happening.
As good as he's been for us, £100m could be hard to turn down. It would set us up with FFP for the next 3 years and I'd back Emery and Monchi to find his replacement and turn them into a top midfielder too.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 21, 2024, 03:16:20 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 21, 2024, 03:36:30 PM
We'd be mad to turn £100m down for him if anyone offered that, whilst he's been very good every player has a price and that would be excellent businessIf we are tight on FFP, we will be in the old position of selling somebody like Luiz, because we need the money and we can’t match his ambitions.
If there’s truth in the rumour Man City want him for £100m I can see that happening.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 21, 2024, 03:56:24 PM
We'd be mad to turn £100m down for him if anyone offered that, whilst he's been very good every player has a price and that would be excellent businessIf we are tight on FFP, we will be in the old position of selling somebody like Luiz, because we need the money and we can’t match his ambitions.
If there’s truth in the rumour Man City want him for £100m I can see that happening.
And yet, playing right into the hands of the media favourite status quo clubs & fuck all changes...
Post by: VillaTim on January 21, 2024, 03:59:44 PM
It's not happening anyway so don't panicWe'd be mad to turn £100m down for him if anyone offered that, whilst he's been very good every player has a price and that would be excellent businessIf we are tight on FFP, we will be in the old position of selling somebody like Luiz, because we need the money and we can’t match his ambitions.
If there’s truth in the rumour Man City want him for £100m I can see that happening.
And yet, playing right into the hands of the media favourite status quo clubs & fuck all changes...
Post by: Ian. on January 21, 2024, 04:13:08 PM
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 21, 2024, 04:21:17 PM
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on January 21, 2024, 04:30:20 PM
Not buying Lenglet and Zaniolo and getting their salaries off the books - £10m
Selling the deadwood - Olsen, Dendoncker, Sanson, Chambers, Hause, Traore - £10-£15m + wages
Selling Digne, and replacing with a lower cost backup left back - £10m + £6m a year wages
Selling Carlos
They might even consider Jacob Ramsey, purely from an FFP perspective.
I'm not sure we have a lot of youngsters left that we could sell on for big money - Louie Barry maybe £8-£10m would be a punt for a top end Championship club, maybe?
Of course we'd have to buy replacements who give you more bang for the buck; but that's Monchi's job.
Post by: Ads on January 21, 2024, 04:33:58 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 21, 2024, 04:47:35 PM
No one would have expected the inferior Caicedo to go for £100m.That drunken sailor has left the bar.
Post by: paul_e on January 21, 2024, 04:59:18 PM
There are quite a few savings we can make before thinking about selling Dougie.
Not buying Lenglet and Zaniolo and getting their salaries off the books - £10m
Selling the deadwood - Olsen, Dendoncker, Sanson, Chambers, Hause, Traore - £10-£15m + wages
Selling Digne, and replacing with a lower cost backup left back - £10m + £6m a year wages
Selling Carlos
They might even consider Jacob Ramsey, purely from an FFP perspective.
I'm not sure we have a lot of youngsters left that we could sell on for big money - Louie Barry maybe £8-£10m would be a punt for a top end Championship club, maybe?
Of course we'd have to buy replacements who give you more bang for the buck; but that's Monchi's job.
I don't think there is any plan to sign Lenglet.
Zaniolo is a tough one, it can't be many more appearances before we have to sign him but do we want to leave ourselve s aplayer short to dodge that?
Olsen would need to be replaced, problaby not much saving to be had there.
Dendonkcer would need to be replaced and runs the risk of us taking a hit on his book value as we'd need at least £8m for him.
Agree on the other 4 and we'd make enough on them all to at least not be selling below their amortised values.
Digne yeah, probably a decent call but he's had a good season so the replacement would need to be quality, most of the savings would be wages though because of his fee.
Carlos, like Dendoncker, I think we'd struggle to get enough to cover his amortised value.
That whole group would net us maybe £20-25m, not terrible but not enough to make a huge difference.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 21, 2024, 06:19:46 PM
It's not happening anyway so don't panic
I'm like that wrt Villa Park's seats being moved closer together.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 21, 2024, 07:10:40 PM
It's not happening anyway so don't panicWe'd be mad to turn £100m down for him if anyone offered that, whilst he's been very good every player has a price and that would be excellent businessIf we are tight on FFP, we will be in the old position of selling somebody like Luiz, because we need the money and we can’t match his ambitions.
If there’s truth in the rumour Man City want him for £100m I can see that happening.
And yet, playing right into the hands of the media favourite status quo clubs & fuck all changes...
Im not. I am merely responding to the content & context of your post...
Post by: Drummond on January 21, 2024, 07:23:04 PM
It’s a 3 year rolling calculation, so you go into the new financial year knowing your likely budget, obviously a cup run or selling a player can have a positive effect.
But if you gamble on a big signing or signings knowing that will take you into negative territory then you get punished.
Just like in any business, a calculated risk that can be mitigated is fine, gambling is not.
Yeah, so it's as I thought. You would be aware of how close you are to the line every window, and you'd be able to calculate going forward what any big spend would likely mean in the future, in terms of being a massive risk or a good investment. I'd imagine going forward January windows are going to be generally quite low key. We're already seeing that across the leagues this year.
I bet Sky Sports are massively pissed off with it.
Thats the thing that raises a smile about the whole situation...
Yeah, maybe they will go a bit beige instead of yellow this year.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 21, 2024, 07:49:00 PM
It’s a 3 year rolling calculation, so you go into the new financial year knowing your likely budget, obviously a cup run or selling a player can have a positive effect.
But if you gamble on a big signing or signings knowing that will take you into negative territory then you get punished.
Just like in any business, a calculated risk that can be mitigated is fine, gambling is not.
Yeah, so it's as I thought. You would be aware of how close you are to the line every window, and you'd be able to calculate going forward what any big spend would likely mean in the future, in terms of being a massive risk or a good investment. I'd imagine going forward January windows are going to be generally quite low key. We're already seeing that across the leagues this year.
I bet Sky Sports are massively pissed off with it.
Thats the thing that raises a smile about the whole situation...
Yeah, maybe they will go a bit beige instead of yellow this year.
And Jim fucking White will be choking on his yellow tie... 😉
Post by: VillaTim on January 21, 2024, 08:20:16 PM
Even if it did happen, imagine Emery / Monchi with a £100m , I'd be confident we'd be improving overallIt's not happening anyway so don't panicWe'd be mad to turn £100m down for him if anyone offered that, whilst he's been very good every player has a price and that would be excellent businessIf we are tight on FFP, we will be in the old position of selling somebody like Luiz, because we need the money and we can’t match his ambitions.
If there’s truth in the rumour Man City want him for £100m I can see that happening.
And yet, playing right into the hands of the media favourite status quo clubs & fuck all changes...
Im not. I am merely responding to the content & context of your post...
Post by: ozzjim on January 21, 2024, 08:32:43 PM
Takes self off to wash mouth out and apologise for my ways.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 21, 2024, 08:46:39 PM
Post by: Gareth on January 21, 2024, 08:49:17 PM
Replacing Dougie with Kalvin Phillips would be like when we replaced Milner with Stephen Ireland.
Agree, back in the day a very decent player, 2 years of inaction he can be someone else’s problem to rehabilitate
Post by: LukeJames on January 21, 2024, 08:57:59 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 21, 2024, 10:20:48 PM
Don't be too hard on Ramsey, after an extended injury it takes weeks to get anywhere near the fitness required for the premiership. His sharness is missing and that will come, if he were to be put on the market all top clubs would be after him, he's that good.
Absolutely, he's struggling this season but he's a cracking player. Even that day against Brighton when he came on the difference he made to the team was ridiculous. Unfortunately that was the only time this season really that he made a big impact. I don't think this kid from Boro is going to get anywhere near Ramsey's best, this season anyway.
Without hearing about FFP, it just seems strange to me why we didn't put that investment and effort into improving Aaron Ramsey.
It might be as simple as Emery and the coaching staff couldn’t really see it with A Ramsey, he hasn’t really pulled up any trees at Burnley. To be honest I don’t know anything about Rogers and can’t remember him against us a few weeks ago. Guess in Emery we trust.
Guess the most obvious answer is likely the correct one, Emery just didn't rate AR enough and then the inventive of FFP benefits were enough for us to take the cash. Physically he definitely has work to do to mix it at PL level, like his brother can. But he has plenty of technical ability so I thought it was a strange decision. He would have got lots of minutes for us too with his brother's injuries and Zaniolo flopping.
Post by: nigel on January 22, 2024, 08:48:54 AM
We'd be mad to turn £100m down for him if anyone offered that, whilst he's been very good every player has a price and that would be excellent businessIf we are tight on FFP, we will be in the old position of selling somebody like Luiz, because we need the money and we can’t match his ambitions.
If there’s truth in the rumour Man City want him for £100m I can see that happening.
And yet, playing right into the hands of the media favourite status quo clubs & fuck all changes...
Talking of 3 year cycles, we’ve got a £99.5m loss dropping off the accounts this year, so that’s good.
If Percy is correct, and I’ve no doubt he is, I think we can breath easy regarding selling our better players.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 22, 2024, 09:13:02 AM
That kind of money would give us massive ffp headroom to bring in 2-3 top top level players
Having said this, not overly worried. Trust Unai and his team to have a plan regardless
Post by: AV84 on January 22, 2024, 09:16:40 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on January 22, 2024, 09:18:36 AM
I thought the Rogers fee seemed quite low, considering, but looking at those figures we seem to be taking advantage of the current market.
Post by: Risso on January 22, 2024, 09:20:52 AM
Post by: Baldy on January 22, 2024, 09:45:22 AM
Only agents, players, hair dressers and tattoo artists are currently thriving.
Post by: Smithy on January 22, 2024, 09:46:22 AM
With everybody seemingly tightening their belts this season, I really do think we'll see a big reduction in the number of times teams spend £100m on a player in any case. For that reason I can't see anybody spending £100m on Luiz, not in the next 2 or 3 transfer windows anyway.
I suspect that with Everton and Forest under the microscope, most clubs will now be far more risk averse, rather than having a willingness to go right to the limit thanks to the Premier League's riches. I will be very surprised if we see too many big deals of the sort Chelsea have done over the last 18 months, from anyone, even the uber-rich clubs.
I'd love to know how close we got to going over the limit in our first couple of years back up before we sold Jack. I know the Covid situation and empty grounds gave us some leeway, but I do wonder where we might have found ourselves without the Covid get-out-of-jail-free card?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 22, 2024, 09:50:16 AM
Post by: brontebilly on January 22, 2024, 09:50:17 AM
Surely this FFP will be revised over the summer as it's having farcical consequences. A player would be utterly foolish now not to run down his contract. Leon Bailey for example, surely his agent will be advising him not to renew with us and get offered huge incentives from prospective clubs for his FFP value, not necessarily his playing value. Free transfers are never free either, see Richards, Micah for one example.
Post by: eamonn on January 22, 2024, 09:55:29 AM
We all know it, even the players, the sooner they figure out how to put a 'global cap' on players wages the better.
Only agents, players, hair dressers and tattoo artists are currently thriving.
What about vape-sellers?
Post by: Gareth on January 22, 2024, 09:59:40 AM
We won't improve as a team if we keep selling our best players. Selling Luiz or Kamara (or Ramsey) as our prime 'FFP' assets makes our team a lot worse.
Surely this FFP will be revised over the summer as it's having farcical consequences. A player would be utterly foolish now not to run down his contract. Leon Bailey for example, surely his agent will be advising him not to renew with us and get offered huge incentives from prospective clubs for his FFP value, not necessarily his playing value. Free transfers are never free either, see Richards, Micah for one example.
Why would they revise it? It is doing exactly what it was set up to do, all about stopping anyone new challenging the ‘establishment’ - Manchester City are only grudgingly accepted by those clubs so they won’t care if they are caught out
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 22, 2024, 10:06:49 AM
A player would be utterly foolish now not to run down his contract. Leon Bailey for example, surely his agent will be advising him not to renew with us and get offered huge incentives from prospective clubs for his FFP value, not necessarily his playing value. Free transfers are never free either, see Richards, Micah for one example.
I might be missing something but don't see how his FFP value (which is value to us and nobody else) is going to make him attractive to any other club?
Post by: Smithy on January 22, 2024, 10:16:28 AM
A player would be utterly foolish now not to run down his contract. Leon Bailey for example, surely his agent will be advising him not to renew with us and get offered huge incentives from prospective clubs for his FFP value, not necessarily his playing value. Free transfers are never free either, see Richards, Micah for one example.
I might be missing something but don't see how his FFP value (which is value to us and nobody else) is going to make him attractive to any other club?
You sign someone on a "free", then any sale you make of them at any point in the future is 100% FFP profit. If you get into financial trouble, sell one of your free transfers and it's 100% profit. Free transfers have always offered that "profit" benefit to their new clubs, but in the world of FFP, it is now more attractive to know on day one that a player will contribute positively to FFP when they leave, rather than worrying if you'll get back what you paid, or get to their current "book" value in FFP terms.
EDIT: Imagine we were a couple of million the wrong side of FFP, selling Tielemans for £20m would actually help us more in FFP terms than selling Diaby for £50m. This is the "wiggle room" having a team with a few decent free transfers gives you.
Post by: Dogtanian on January 22, 2024, 10:24:55 AM
If they sold him beforehand and then lost, it would look like they took the money over a potential final.
Post by: Grocer on January 22, 2024, 10:27:18 AM
My feeling is that a depressed market suits us, as it does other clubs with excellent coaches (Man. City, Liverpool, maybe Spurs).
Yes, that's exactly what I was just thinking. Whilst some clubs will be disadvantaged by having lower turnover/commercial income, in theory FFP does have the potential of further increasing the critical importance of high quality coaching. We are definitely well placed in this respect.
Post by: Risso on January 22, 2024, 10:52:06 AM
A player would be utterly foolish now not to run down his contract. Leon Bailey for example, surely his agent will be advising him not to renew with us and get offered huge incentives from prospective clubs for his FFP value, not necessarily his playing value. Free transfers are never free either, see Richards, Micah for one example.
I might be missing something but don't see how his FFP value (which is value to us and nobody else) is going to make him attractive to any other club?
As Smithy says, he'd be a free transfer, and therefore the value on the balance sheet to the buying club would be zilch, and therefore no amortisation.
Post by: TonyD on January 22, 2024, 10:55:48 AM
Post by: TelfordVilla on January 22, 2024, 11:13:12 AM
Post by: Ads on January 22, 2024, 11:13:57 AM
Post by: VillaTim on January 22, 2024, 11:18:17 AM
Has to be the quietest window ever.Cost of elite football living crisis
Post by: ozzjim on January 22, 2024, 11:30:33 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 22, 2024, 11:38:18 AM
Even if it did happen, imagine Emery / Monchi with a £100m , I'd be confident we'd be improving overall
Zaniolo, Diaby & potentially Rogers would be about £100M under Monchi.
Would I swap all three of those for Douglas Luiz?
No...
We'd be mad to turn £100m down for him if anyone offered that, whilst he's been very good every player has a price and that would be excellent businessIf we are tight on FFP, we will be in the old position of selling somebody like Luiz, because we need the money and we can’t match his ambitions.
If there’s truth in the rumour Man City want him for £100m I can see that happening.
And yet, playing right into the hands of the media favourite status quo clubs & fuck all changes...Talking of 3 year cycles, we’ve got a £99.5m loss dropping off the accounts this year, so that’s good.
If Percy is correct, and I’ve no doubt he is, I think we can breath easy regarding selling our better players.
Hopefully.
And if the words of Chris Heck are anything to go by, we are looking to keep our best players if he wants to make bids for bidding clubs players.
Not sure I trust the word of Chris Heck, but as it stands, its all we have to go on officially regarding our best players.
We have to be super realistic. Any bids of over £100m for any of our players would have to be seriously considered. Would also be best part of £10m p season off wage bill at the sametime. Luiz is basically "homegrown" for ffp since his amortisation is basically nil
That kind of money would give us massive ffp headroom to bring in 2-3 top top level players
Having said this, not overly worried. Trust Unai and his team to have a plan regardless
Im sure Leicester said the same thing when they were being offered for their best players, & look at them now.
A bird in the hand & all that...
Post by: eamonn on January 22, 2024, 11:42:33 AM
The summer window will be a different accounting period.
And, I think Percy mentioned, the point at which our awful £100m loss falls-off the 3-year cycle for these rules.
Post by: OCD on January 22, 2024, 11:43:55 AM
Smart free transfers and 17-21 year olds with big potential are clearly a strategy, as I think will be the South American and Japanese markets in the next couple of years. We've been linked with a 22 year old centre half in Argentina that looks like he has some potential, he'd be £50m over here. The key, as Brighton are proving so well, is to have good coaching that shows off the talent of your well scouted player, and be willing to back your scouting to repeat the trick when you sell one.
Given this, I'm surprised nobody's posted a list of players who's contract expires this summer. So here's a list of them - https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/uk-premier-league/2023/05/out-of-contract-2024-best-football-free-agents-bosman.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 22, 2024, 12:13:56 PM
The summer window will be a different accounting period.
And, I think Percy mentioned, the point at which our awful £100m loss falls-off the 3-year cycle for these rules.
I think that drops off when the accounts up to June 2020 are replaced in the three year cycle by the accounts up to June 2023, which if following the same pattern, will be reported in March this year.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 22, 2024, 12:18:41 PM
Post by: Smithy on January 22, 2024, 12:19:08 PM
Smart free transfers and 17-21 year olds with big potential are clearly a strategy, as I think will be the South American and Japanese markets in the next couple of years. We've been linked with a 22 year old centre half in Argentina that looks like he has some potential, he'd be £50m over here. The key, as Brighton are proving so well, is to have good coaching that shows off the talent of your well scouted player, and be willing to back your scouting to repeat the trick when you sell one.
I think the advantage we have over someone like Brighton, is that given a few years of on-the-field success, we have the potential to match the commercial off-the-field success of the current "top 6". So although such a transfer strategy is an excellent one, it isn't something we should have to rely on forever, unlike Brighton - who, with the best will in the world, are never going to have the sort of commercial success of the likes of Chelsea, Spurs or Arsenal. Without that off the field success, you can unearth diamonds till the cows come home, but you're unlikely to be able to afford the wages to keep them for more than a couple of years at a time.
Our commercial ceiling is certainly as high as pretty much anyone in the league, bar perhaps Manchester United and Liverpool, who have a forty-year head start in building up a global fan base. Everyone else is certainly catchable with 5-10 years of reasonable success on the pitch.
Post by: Smithy on January 22, 2024, 12:26:11 PM
Smart free transfers and 17-21 year olds with big potential are clearly a strategy, as I think will be the South American and Japanese markets in the next couple of years. We've been linked with a 22 year old centre half in Argentina that looks like he has some potential, he'd be £50m over here. The key, as Brighton are proving so well, is to have good coaching that shows off the talent of your well scouted player, and be willing to back your scouting to repeat the trick when you sell one.
Given this, I'm surprised nobody's posted a list of players who's contract expires this summer. So here's a list of them - https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/uk-premier-league/2023/05/out-of-contract-2024-best-football-free-agents-bosman.
To be honest, a big chunk of that list appears to be players on the way down (or close to it) who probably haven't been offered a decent-length contract where they are, rather than trying to run down their contracts to get a lucrative free elsewhere.
If we're going down the free transfer route, we want free transfers like Bouba and Youri - 20-somethings with their best years ahead of them, not the guys looking for a 3-year contract when they're legs are already going. I'm not averse to giving older players a short-term contract (like Ashley Young), but I hope to God the days are long gone of us giving out 3 or 4 year contracts with big wages to 30-year-old players just because they are "free".
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 22, 2024, 12:55:08 PM
Joe's sale is still on the books for next season isn't it?
Yes, the accounts for the year Joe was sold showed a profit of £400k. I think they fall off next year.
Post by: LeeS on January 22, 2024, 01:20:13 PM
Smart free transfers and 17-21 year olds with big potential are clearly a strategy, as I think will be the South American and Japanese markets in the next couple of years. We've been linked with a 22 year old centre half in Argentina that looks like he has some potential, he'd be £50m over here. The key, as Brighton are proving so well, is to have good coaching that shows off the talent of your well scouted player, and be willing to back your scouting to repeat the trick when you sell one.
Given this, I'm surprised nobody's posted a list of players who's contract expires this summer. So here's a list of them - https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/uk-premier-league/2023/05/out-of-contract-2024-best-football-free-agents-bosman.
That Mbappe fella looks like he might make it. I'm surprised no-one on here has mentioned him. Could be a good back up for Olly and get some playing time in the League Cup.
Post by: UK Redsox on January 22, 2024, 02:12:51 PM
Has to be the quietest window ever.
Triple glazed
Post by: ozzjim on January 22, 2024, 02:14:06 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 22, 2024, 02:16:32 PM
Hermoso and Anderson on that list have been linked haven't they, essentially replacing Bert and Lenglet without spending too much. If we can keep our best players, add a couple of frees, a couple of prospects and then have the cash to buy 1 really good starter that would be a decent model. A backup to Kamara is a must this summer.
I wouldn't mind taking a look at Iroegbunam for that role...
Post by: ozzjim on January 22, 2024, 02:19:39 PM
Post by: Gareth on January 22, 2024, 02:26:28 PM
Does he need another 6 months loan to kick on?
Only recently fit, I’d say being in the 18 for rest of season and above Dendonker in the pecking order would help.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 22, 2024, 02:40:50 PM
Does he need another 6 months loan to kick on?
Only recently fit, I’d say being in the 18 for rest of season and above Dendonker in the pecking order would help.
With hopefully some minutes at the end of games, etc, so we can see how he adapts.
He has the talent, of that I am in no doubt.
Its just the integration bit & whether he does it quick enough before FFP / P&S kicks in & he is sold...
Post by: paul_e on January 22, 2024, 03:06:27 PM
Does he need another 6 months loan to kick on?
Only recently fit, I’d say being in the 18 for rest of season and above Dendonker in the pecking order would help.
20 not 18 but yes, I agree. The reason I'm in favour of the increase is that it gives an option to have both Dendoncker and Iroegbunam on there and bring 1 on depending on the game situation, ditto for 1-2 other positions.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 22, 2024, 03:30:54 PM
Smart free transfers and 17-21 year olds with big potential are clearly a strategy, as I think will be the South American and Japanese markets in the next couple of years. We've been linked with a 22 year old centre half in Argentina that looks like he has some potential, he'd be £50m over here. The key, as Brighton are proving so well, is to have good coaching that shows off the talent of your well scouted player, and be willing to back your scouting to repeat the trick when you sell one.
Given this, I'm surprised nobody's posted a list of players who's contract expires this summer. So here's a list of them - https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/uk-premier-league/2023/05/out-of-contract-2024-best-football-free-agents-bosman.
Where's Footy when you need him?
Post by: Dogtanian on January 22, 2024, 03:37:24 PM
Smart free transfers and 17-21 year olds with big potential are clearly a strategy, as I think will be the South American and Japanese markets in the next couple of years. We've been linked with a 22 year old centre half in Argentina that looks like he has some potential, he'd be £50m over here. The key, as Brighton are proving so well, is to have good coaching that shows off the talent of your well scouted player, and be willing to back your scouting to repeat the trick when you sell one.
Given this, I'm surprised nobody's posted a list of players who's contract expires this summer. So here's a list of them - https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/uk-premier-league/2023/05/out-of-contract-2024-best-football-free-agents-bosman.
Where's Footy when you need him?
He's probably got a top job in the Saudi league, sitting in some marble-walled palatial office somewhere, churning out lists of players to sweep up with their endless cash.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 22, 2024, 03:38:10 PM
Is anyone else thinking that the Rogers deal will get done (if it's going to) after their second leg on Tuesday?
If they sold him beforehand and then lost, it would look like they took the money over a potential final.
And if they win the leg does that indicate we wont get him until summer?
Post by: nigel on January 22, 2024, 03:40:38 PM
Is anyone else thinking that the Rogers deal will get done (if it's going to) after their second leg on Tuesday?
If they sold him beforehand and then lost, it would look like they took the money over a potential final.
And if they win the leg does that indicate we wont get him until summer?
I suppose we could sign him and loan him back until after the final 😉
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 22, 2024, 03:50:14 PM
Post by: rougegorge on January 22, 2024, 04:15:33 PM
Have we got the wrong Morgan? If it were Morgan Whittaker, I could understand a bit more.
Post by: Gareth on January 22, 2024, 04:18:27 PM
Since our games against Cite£ and Arsenal i think we have looked a little gassed and flat so would like a couple of new faces to freshen us up - especially in the attacking options
Agree with new faces would be good.
Not sure if we are gassed or whether the opposition see us as a top team now and show more respect in trying to stop us? And less expecting to beat us
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 22, 2024, 04:34:02 PM
Since our games against Cite£ and Arsenal i think we have looked a little gassed and flat so would like a couple of new faces to freshen us up - especially in the attacking options
Agree with new faces would be good.
Not sure if we are gassed or whether the opposition see us as a top team now and show more respect in trying to stop us? And less expecting to beat us
With the players we have teams showing more respect shouldn't be a problem. The last few months of 2023 was a very tough period both physically and emotionally for the players. Now they need to stand up strong and start showing again what a cracking team they are.
Fear of losing should have no place in the mindset of our team. A couple of new players would be great but only if they are good enough to start or obvious choices to come off the bench. The youngsters we're looking to bring in are more for pre-season adaption and integration. I still think we'll add to the first team this window.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 22, 2024, 04:49:42 PM
started 14 league games for Middlesbrough (and managed 7 yellow cards)
Clearly he'll fit in with us, then.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 22, 2024, 05:57:14 PM
This is where we've missed Buendia (or dare I say it, Coutinho) - Gives the opposition something a little different to think about imo.
Post by: Drummond on January 22, 2024, 06:25:48 PM
I mean enough players even though the sum of all the parts isn't enough at the moment. With Buendia and Archer to come back the squad is pretty loaded.
However, there's always room for a decent striker. Emery seems to have improved everyone so far, and the newer ones who haven't yet will.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 22, 2024, 06:34:12 PM
Have we got the wrong Morgan? If it were Morgan Whittaker, I could understand a bit more.
Think you've got the wrong Whittaker, I'd prefer to see Maria at VP.
Post by: eamonn on January 22, 2024, 06:44:17 PM
Post by: Risso on January 22, 2024, 06:44:53 PM
I still think we should have enough going forward in Watkins, Bailey, Diaby, Zaniolo, Ramsey and Duran.
I mean enough players even though the sum of all the parts isn't enough at the moment. With Buendia and Archer to come back the squad is pretty loaded.
However, there's always room for a decent striker. Emery seems to have improved everyone so far, and the newer ones who haven't yet will.
In the long term maybe, but I think we could do with reinforcements. Ollie has done well this season but is in the middle of one of his quiet runs. Ramsey is injured again and was in pretty poor form before anyway. We don't know if Zaniolo is going to be sticking around, and he hasn't exactly set the place on fire up till now with his one goal. Diaby, thus far has been a major disappointment considering what he cost. Bailey has been excellent, probably our most consistent attacking outlet which is a phrase I never thought I'd write. If nothing else, we need someone who can come in and at least do something close to the Watkins role.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 22, 2024, 06:54:02 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 22, 2024, 07:23:48 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 22, 2024, 07:30:56 PM
The £100m bit is crucial though and they will only be a handful of clubs with that sort of money.
Post by: LeeB on January 22, 2024, 07:39:08 PM
Have we got the wrong Morgan? If it were Morgan Whittaker, I could understand a bit more.
Think you've got the wrong Whittaker, I'd prefer to see Maria at VP.
A real presence up front.
Post by: Londonvilla on January 22, 2024, 07:39:39 PM
Josh Feeney will be the first, as he was at the stadium over the weekend to watch the Spanish club take on Arenteiro, and the centre-back is expected to make the move soon.
The club’s press officer, Martín Tellechea,
Sport then relay news from journalist Ángel García, for Cazurreando, who explained that Feeney would not be the only player to move, with ‘three more players’ potentially making the switch to Real Unión in the near future.
https://sportwitness.co.uk/aston-villa-player-head-loan-already-visit-new-club-emery-connected-deal/
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2024, 08:07:55 PM
Post by: AV82EC on January 22, 2024, 08:44:14 PM
Can someone explain the Archer deal to me? How much are we obliged to pay to bring him back if Sheff Utd go down?
£18 or £20m I think.
Post by: VillaTim on January 22, 2024, 08:56:45 PM
I still think we should have enough going forward in Watkins, Bailey, Diaby, Zaniolo, Ramsey and Duran.Only Watkins and Bailey have been delivering though
I mean enough players even though the sum of all the parts isn't enough at the moment. With Buendia and Archer to come back the squad is pretty loaded.
However, there's always room for a decent striker. Emery seems to have improved everyone so far, and the newer ones who haven't yet will.
Diaby - horribly off form and taking his time to settle
Zaniolo - still awaiting ignition
Ramsey - not over his injury
Duran - raw and unpredictable outputs
Post by: Beard82 on January 22, 2024, 09:03:08 PM
Whilst I agree with this - we know Ramsey and Diaby can deliver. Zanilio seems unlikely he ever will in a Villa shirt, and Duran will be gone first time we get an offer that makes FFP sense.I still think we should have enough going forward in Watkins, Bailey, Diaby, Zaniolo, Ramsey and Duran.Only Watkins and Bailey have been delivering though
I mean enough players even though the sum of all the parts isn't enough at the moment. With Buendia and Archer to come back the squad is pretty loaded.
However, there's always room for a decent striker. Emery seems to have improved everyone so far, and the newer ones who haven't yet will.
Diaby - horribly off form and taking his time to settle
Zaniolo - still awaiting ignition
Ramsey - not over his injury
Duran - raw and unpredictable outputs
But - I guess ultimately, the challange we have with FFP is that we have to really prioritise the short and long term decisions and Drummond is probably right that I think we have a better chance of Emery coaching some of those good compared to magicing a right back (for example)
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2024, 09:04:44 PM
Can someone explain the Archer deal to me? How much are we obliged to pay to bring him back if Sheff Utd go down?
£18 or £20m I think.
Which to me seems kind of nuts if true. Do we really want Cam back for what we sold him for (or a little more) given the FFP situation?
Post by: Beard82 on January 22, 2024, 09:06:12 PM
Thats FFP - we've basically remortgaged him. Short Term headroom for a long term costCan someone explain the Archer deal to me? How much are we obliged to pay to bring him back if Sheff Utd go down?
£18 or £20m I think.
Which to me seems kind of nuts if true. Do we really want Cam back for what we sold him for (or a little more) given the FFP situation?
Post by: andyh on January 22, 2024, 09:11:26 PM
https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1749539797407023146?s=20
Post by: OCD on January 22, 2024, 09:15:14 PM
Pictures on Twitter of ‘kosta’ stretching the shirt, with monchi
https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1749539797407023146?s=20
There's talk that his age allows him to be registered as an academy prospect so doesn't effect FFP and would count as a homegrown prospect in European competition. I don't know if this is true or not, but if it is, you could see this type of move being a clever one.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 22, 2024, 09:32:45 PM
Only one..the one that has 115 charges of financial impropriety against them. No other club could do it.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 22, 2024, 10:07:02 PM
We sold for £20 mil that’s £20mil FFP profit, we buy him back for £20 mil on a 4 year contract, that’s an amortisation cost of £5 mil a year.Can someone explain the Archer deal to me? How much are we obliged to pay to bring him back if Sheff Utd go down?
£18 or £20m I think.
Which to me seems kind of nuts if true. Do we really want Cam back for what we sold him for (or a little more) given the FFP situation?
Post by: sid1964 on January 23, 2024, 06:00:11 AM
it will be a backward step for his career.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2024, 06:28:01 AM
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Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2024, 07:34:47 AM
Archer will be disappointed if he has to come back to us, he will go from regular 1st team football to playing in the under 23s or maybe the odd appearance as a substitute
it will be a backward step for his career.
Come the summer I think starting is something he will be longing for. Wilder has benched him and clearly wants a different type of forward.
Post by: sid1964 on January 23, 2024, 07:39:36 AM
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Post by: IFWaters on January 23, 2024, 08:12:02 AM
I think Rogers will be useful as an option across the front 3, and will work hard, has a big of pace and presence. I would love us to get a creative forward though, as I think that is the type we are missing so badly now. A player that has that extra bit of time on the ball, find a pass etc. Tielemans might do it second half of the season and has looked promising in the 10 role, but we miss Buendia a bit more than I expected as an option.It's like Buendia will be a new signing!
Post by: Gareth on January 23, 2024, 08:31:04 AM
With the rumour that we will be signing another forward in the summer, Archer wants to play 1st team football, that is why he wanted the move to Sheffield, how many games will he start for us next season?It will depend on what Unai wants, they will have been watching every game he has played for SheffUtd and if Unai feels he is a player he’d be happy to actually use (be it through the middle or as a wide forward) and if we have European football next season he’s a viable option.
Whatever the future holds for Cam it would be very handy if he could bag a few goals before the end of the season if only to keep his value to sell on if Unai wants to go a different way.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 23, 2024, 08:34:33 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 23, 2024, 09:11:53 AM
Post by: Smithy on January 23, 2024, 09:12:38 AM
Archer has a great future ahead of him, whether we want him or not. I hope we do.
It's not really been a great move for him so far, but he is getting lots of excellent premier league experience. His goal return isn't great, but he's playing for the side at the bottom of the league with only 10 points, so I wouldn't expect him to have bundles of goals (or chances). He has 3 goals, but amongst the bottom three sides not one player has more than 5.
I would love him to bag a few in the second half of the season and come back to us with confidence, as I suspect given the current league table, the chances of them being relegated and us taking him back are very high indeed. If he ends up with 7 or 8 prem goals, that would be a decent return I think.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2024, 09:38:11 AM
We need to accept, though, he's not our player any more, and he almost certainly never will be again. Two (three?) previous managers didn't rate him enough to play him frequently, and he didn't pull up any trees when he did get the chance, so he's been sold with a buy-back clause,.
What that has caused is people acting like he's just on loan - he isn't. Yeah, it's complicated, but at the same time, when Dougie was on his first deal with us and a clause was active, I don't remember us acting like he considered him on loan to us. Yes we have the option to have him back - but in exchange for a lot of money.
We sold him for £19m. Any buy back is going to be in excess of that figure. Probably around 25m. With 25m to strengthen the squad, would we really want to go out and spend it on Archer given his past with us?
I think we need to move on. It'd be better for the player, too, rather than getting bounced about like an unwanted step-child.
Post by: Smoke on January 23, 2024, 09:45:24 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 23, 2024, 09:47:15 AM
Post by: Monty on January 23, 2024, 09:50:23 AM
It's not that he's a bad player - it's just it's the closest we get to that Liverpool/Barça-style sentimental thing about how he 'gets' the club, as if that makes a real difference when the whistle blows and you've got to remember to track the left back inside.
Archer looks very promising, as does Philogene (who I want to call Philogenes, like a philosopher), as Tammy is a good player, but we do go a bit overboard with these connections.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2024, 09:51:39 AM
If we bought him back for £25m on presumably a 4 year contract then loan him to another newly promoted team or upper championship team for a season we only need a loan fee of £6.25m to offset his cost for the season. sounds achievable? didn't we pay £8m for barkley for a season on loan?
Why would we want to do that? And why would the player want that?
And paying 8m for a player with a career behind him like Barkley is different to paying almost as much for one who has never proved himself in the PL.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 23, 2024, 09:58:07 AM
Let's be totally honest here, we spend so much time talking about Archer mostly because a popular forum legend knows him, and therefore we've followed his progress closer than we would most other players.
We need to accept, though, he's not our player any more, and he almost certainly never will be again. Two (three?) previous managers didn't rate him enough to play him frequently, and he didn't pull up any trees when he did get the chance, so he's been sold with a buy-back clause,.
What that has caused is people acting like he's just on loan - he isn't. Yeah, it's complicated, but at the same time, when Dougie was on his first deal with us and a clause was active, I don't remember us acting like he considered him on loan to us. Yes we have the option to have him back - but in exchange for a lot of money.
We sold him for £19m. Any buy back is going to be in excess of that figure. Probably around 25m. With 25m to strengthen the squad, would we really want to go out and spend it on Archer given his past with us?
I think we need to move on. It'd be better for the player, too, rather than getting bounced about like an unwanted step-child.
As I understand it the buy back is compulsory should Sheffield Utd be relegated, which looks nailed on. So it isn't a case of wanting him back or not, he is likely to be a Villa player again next season.
We don't need both Archer and Duran, so whichever one gets any interest will likely be sold.
Post by: john e on January 23, 2024, 10:01:29 AM
So maybe Archer finds himself at the wrong club to be starting every week
That’s the fates of football though, finding a perfect fit to play your football involves a bit of luck
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 23, 2024, 10:01:39 AM
Whilst showing a lot of potential, Cam has flattered to deceive, and re-signing him would just be squad filler and we'd be no better off. With potential Champions League football on the horizon, we should be setting our sights a lot higher.
Post by: LeeB on January 23, 2024, 10:07:16 AM
I think Cam needs to work on being an effective wide forward if he's going to make it at the top level, he doesn't have the physical presence to be the centre forward and is going to struggle to get games otherwise with how teams set up these days.
Of the three that went out I think it's only Philogene that has a realistic chance of coming back and playing for us.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2024, 10:16:29 AM
Let's be totally honest here, we spend so much time talking about Archer mostly because a popular forum legend knows him, and therefore we've followed his progress closer than we would most other players.
We need to accept, though, he's not our player any more, and he almost certainly never will be again. Two (three?) previous managers didn't rate him enough to play him frequently, and he didn't pull up any trees when he did get the chance, so he's been sold with a buy-back clause,.
What that has caused is people acting like he's just on loan - he isn't. Yeah, it's complicated, but at the same time, when Dougie was on his first deal with us and a clause was active, I don't remember us acting like he considered him on loan to us. Yes we have the option to have him back - but in exchange for a lot of money.
We sold him for £19m. Any buy back is going to be in excess of that figure. Probably around 25m. With 25m to strengthen the squad, would we really want to go out and spend it on Archer given his past with us?
I think we need to move on. It'd be better for the player, too, rather than getting bounced about like an unwanted step-child.
As I understand it the buy back is compulsory should Sheffield Utd be relegated, which looks nailed on. So it isn't a case of wanting him back or not, he is likely to be a Villa player again next season.
We don't need both Archer and Duran, so whichever one gets any interest will likely be sold.
If the buy back is triggered at the end of the season, he'll almost certainly get sold in the summer, so I doubt very much he is ever playing for us again.
I wonder if we sold both Duran and Archer, if we got what we paid for Duran, that'd be 35m to play around with.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2024, 10:17:24 AM
Of the three that went out I think it's only Philogene that has a realistic chance of coming back and playing for us.
For me, and even given far fewer opportunities, he is the one that has looked like he might make the grade out of the three.
Post by: aj2k77 on January 23, 2024, 10:20:41 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 23, 2024, 10:22:46 AM
Not really, we've already had the Archer money. I'd guess we'd be down on the deal if we have to buy him back and sell on again (unless he has a storming second half of the season which seems unlikely with Wilder). Do you think we'll get £20m again?Let's be totally honest here, we spend so much time talking about Archer mostly because a popular forum legend knows him, and therefore we've followed his progress closer than we would most other players.
We need to accept, though, he's not our player any more, and he almost certainly never will be again. Two (three?) previous managers didn't rate him enough to play him frequently, and he didn't pull up any trees when he did get the chance, so he's been sold with a buy-back clause,.
What that has caused is people acting like he's just on loan - he isn't. Yeah, it's complicated, but at the same time, when Dougie was on his first deal with us and a clause was active, I don't remember us acting like he considered him on loan to us. Yes we have the option to have him back - but in exchange for a lot of money.
We sold him for £19m. Any buy back is going to be in excess of that figure. Probably around 25m. With 25m to strengthen the squad, would we really want to go out and spend it on Archer given his past with us?
I think we need to move on. It'd be better for the player, too, rather than getting bounced about like an unwanted step-child.
As I understand it the buy back is compulsory should Sheffield Utd be relegated, which looks nailed on. So it isn't a case of wanting him back or not, he is likely to be a Villa player again next season.
We don't need both Archer and Duran, so whichever one gets any interest will likely be sold.
If the buy back is triggered at the end of the season, he'll almost certainly get sold in the summer, so I doubt very much he is ever playing for us again.
I wonder if we sold both Duran and Archer, if we got what we paid for Duran, that'd be 35m to play around with.
Post by: Smoke on January 23, 2024, 10:23:27 AM
If we bought him back for £25m on presumably a 4 year contract then loan him to another newly promoted team or upper championship team for a season we only need a loan fee of £6.25m to offset his cost for the season. sounds achievable? didn't we pay £8m for barkley for a season on loan?
Why would we want to do that? And why would the player want that?
And paying 8m for a player with a career behind him like Barkley is different to paying almost as much for one who has never proved himself in the PL.
First-team football.
Post by: Gareth on January 23, 2024, 10:25:26 AM
Of the three that went out I think it's only Philogene that has a realistic chance of coming back and playing for us.
For me, and even given far fewer opportunities, he is the one that has looked like he might make the grade out of the three.
I’d say at Championship level all 3 have shown really good potential, Archer and Ramsey were positive forces in a promotion bid, Philogene has looked good in a side that may make a run at the play offs, will be interesting to see if he can influence that in next 3 months or so.
Post by: LeeB on January 23, 2024, 10:27:44 AM
Of the three that went out I think it's only Philogene that has a realistic chance of coming back and playing for us.
For me, and even given far fewer opportunities, he is the one that has looked like he might make the grade out of the three.
He looked like he belonged in the summer games and has carried it on at Hull, not just playing well but scoring some ridiculous goals that marked him out as far better than the level he's playing at in the way that reminded me of Grealish or Eze. Shame he got injured.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 23, 2024, 10:28:18 AM
Not really, we've already had the Archer money. I'd guess we'd be down on the deal if we have to buy him back and sell on again (unless he has a storming second half of the season which seems unlikely with Wilder). Do you think we'll get £20m again?
In theory, Archer sold is direct on the books from the start. A purchase back is amortised over the length of any contract so even though we are spending more, we would still be FFP positive. Any direct sale would then have an affect but I think we would still be FFP positive overall.
Post by: Malandro on January 23, 2024, 10:50:11 AM
I'm not sure many of us would be excited about us signing a 22 y/o striker who has scored 3 goals in 18 games for Sheffield this season. Cam has great potential, but I doubt we'll see it at Villa. Personally, I think he probably needs a couple of seasons in the Championship where he would likely excel and then get another chance either after promotion or a move at that point when he's more established and experienced.
I think he’d get as many goals as Watkins, if he’d been first choice. I’m just not sure he’d be able to match what Watkins brings to the team.
He comes back to us if they get relegated doesn’t he? Or was that just speculation.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2024, 10:55:32 AM
If we bought him back for £25m on presumably a 4 year contract then loan him to another newly promoted team or upper championship team for a season we only need a loan fee of £6.25m to offset his cost for the season. sounds achievable? didn't we pay £8m for barkley for a season on loan?
Why would we want to do that? And why would the player want that?
And paying 8m for a player with a career behind him like Barkley is different to paying almost as much for one who has never proved himself in the PL.
First-team football.
Which he’d get from a permanent move somewhere. Shuttling around between us and whoever for yet more of his career would be pointless. He’s 22 now, he needs to move beyond promising youngster.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 23, 2024, 01:11:12 PM
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on January 23, 2024, 01:11:57 PM
That's a proper shit deal if we have to sign a relegated player back for more than we sold him for with no consideration as to how he performed or anything.
The clause doesn’t make any sense to me and the more I think it through the less I understand it.
Post by: AV84 on January 23, 2024, 01:14:25 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 23, 2024, 01:21:50 PM
That's a proper shit deal if we have to sign a relegated player back for more than we sold him for with no consideration as to how he performed or anything.
The clause doesn’t make any sense to me and the more I think it through the less I understand it.
I wasn't a fan at the time. The only way it would have been any good would have been if he turned in to a goal scoring demon or Sheffield United stayed up, neither were highly probable. It must have just been a really short term fix to the finances. I don't understand people stating it will good for FFP either, surely we buy him back for 20m then if we sell him straight away then we'll need over that for a net positive? I just don't see it happening. Probably will be a loan job to the Championship and see if he can increase his value. Or he stays and replaces Duran but I doubt it.
Post by: Smoke on January 23, 2024, 01:54:51 PM
If we bought him back for £25m on presumably a 4 year contract then loan him to another newly promoted team or upper championship team for a season we only need a loan fee of £6.25m to offset his cost for the season. sounds achievable? didn't we pay £8m for barkley for a season on loan?
Why would we want to do that? And why would the player want that?
And paying 8m for a player with a career behind him like Barkley is different to paying almost as much for one who has never proved himself in the PL.
First-team football.
Which he’d get from a permanent move somewhere. Shuttling around between us and whoever for yet more of his career would be pointless. He’s 22 now, he needs to move beyond promising youngster.
Pointless in your eyes, maybe not in Archers?
@ 22
ollie watkins just joined Brentford from Exeter
Mcginn had 1 year at hibs behind him
we took a put on Dougie Luiz as a newly promoted club
Buendia joined Norwich
De Bruyne joined Wolfsberg (and basically started his actual career)
He's got plenty of time to 'become' something should he end up back with us and go out on loan for the season.
if this buy back is true then Cam will have had to agree to it and agree what contract he would be coming back on too.
Post by: Gareth on January 23, 2024, 01:56:18 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on January 23, 2024, 01:57:49 PM
I think he needs to worry about his game time at Sheffield United with Diaz coming on for him and getting a goal on his debut.
Cam was on the bench and came on for Diaz. And Diaz was playing on the wing, not up front. The argument could be more they have too many front men if they are only going to be playing one up front which is how Sheffield started the match.
Post by: Dave on January 23, 2024, 02:02:53 PM
...he will still have a value that would cover the difference betw 18m and whatever we are obligated to buy him back for say it’s 22m he will be worth more than the 4m difference.
I remember reading something by a Sheffield Utd reporter who seemed to be across the detail of the agreement - I think we'd be buying him back for a bit less than they paid, so from their perspective it would effectively be the equivalent of paying a few million for a season loan.
Post by: Drummond on January 23, 2024, 02:14:10 PM
If they stay up we have an option to buy back but at an inflated fee (circa £25m).
Those clauses suit us for FFP and are fair on Sheffield United with the fees they get.
He's a top finisher and scores goals that Watkins doesn't, i.e. outside the box, but assessing his overall capabilities is tricky in the team he's in. Sheffield United fans I know like him. He works hard and has scored, albeit in a pretty abject team.
He obviously isn't at Watkins' level, but then he's a few years younger.
Post by: Goldie.7 on January 23, 2024, 02:43:39 PM
It's a shame he can't return this month to be honest. Watkins is currently on a 1 goal in 8 match run and Duran is a walking red card let alone goal scorer.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 23, 2024, 03:02:14 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 23, 2024, 03:10:31 PM
Let's be totally honest here, we spend so much time talking about Archer mostly because a popular forum legend knows him, and therefore we've followed his progress closer than we would most other players.100% agree with this.
We need to accept, though, he's not our player any more, and he almost certainly never will be again. Two (three?) previous managers didn't rate him enough to play him frequently, and he didn't pull up any trees when he did get the chance, so he's been sold with a buy-back clause,.
What that has caused is people acting like he's just on loan - he isn't. Yeah, it's complicated, but at the same time, when Dougie was on his first deal with us and a clause was active, I don't remember us acting like he considered him on loan to us. Yes we have the option to have him back - but in exchange for a lot of money.
We sold him for £19m. Any buy back is going to be in excess of that figure. Probably around 25m. With 25m to strengthen the squad, would we really want to go out and spend it on Archer given his past with us?
I think we need to move on. It'd be better for the player, too, rather than getting bounced about like an unwanted step-child.
Post by: lovejoy on January 23, 2024, 04:06:26 PM
Post by: Mister E on January 23, 2024, 04:09:08 PM
I see it differently. Based on what we know of the deal, Archer will be returning if SheffU get relegated: I don't believe that is optional, nor will we pay more than we received from them. If they're relegated, it effectively is a loan.Let's be totally honest here ... bounced about like an unwanted step-child.100% agree with this.
What was in it for us? - FFP benefits, for sure. But I don't think we'd have agreed to having him back unless Emery et al believe that this season in the Premier League will enhance him and make him a player for next season. And, if we believe that Emery is not enamoured with Duran, Archer's return makes more sense; as a number 2 to Watkins or a player to come on as a sub to offer something different.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2024, 04:28:40 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 23, 2024, 04:36:49 PM
That’s why the whole he comes back if they’re relegated makes zero sense to me. Has that ever been confirmed? I’ve never heard of a clause like it.
It makes total sense on Sheff Utd's side. If they can no longer afford to eat at the head table they'll need to adjust their budget. Financially there were lots of reasons to sell Archer to them, on the football side next to none other than PL experience. Those highlighting Archer's lack of goals there and concluding that he's therefore not good enough should realise if we'd sent Watkins there he'd probably have had a similar impact. I'd bet that even Haaland would struggle there due to Sheff United being for lack of a better word, shit.
Post by: Gareth on January 23, 2024, 04:43:05 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2024, 04:43:58 PM
Post by: Dave on January 23, 2024, 04:44:26 PM
That’s why the whole he comes back if they’re relegated makes zero sense to me. Has that ever been confirmed? I’ve never heard of a clause like it.
It makes total sense on Sheff Utd's side. If they can no longer afford to eat at the head table they'll need to adjust their budget. Financially there were lots of reasons to sell Archer to them, on the football side next to none other than PL experience.
And sense on Archer's side. If he's thinking "I'd much rather stay at Villa, but I also want to play in the Premier League. So I'd take bit-part at Villa over playing all the time in the Championship. But if there is a way that I can guarantee playing loads in the Premier League but knowing that I'm not risking a commitment to next season in the Championship if we go down..."
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 23, 2024, 04:58:35 PM
The Athletic are reporting that discussions betw Villa and Napoli for a loan of Dendoncker
We’re beyond light in this area unless we’ve got an incoming
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 23, 2024, 05:06:28 PM
The Athletic are reporting that discussions betw Villa and Napoli for a loan of Dendoncker
We’re beyond light in this area unless we’ve got an incoming
Not linked to anyone so probably 😃
Post by: VillaTim on January 23, 2024, 05:18:25 PM
The Athletic are reporting that discussions betw Villa and Napoli for a loan of Dendonckerare there any credible links to this one ?
Post by: KNVillan on January 23, 2024, 05:26:51 PM
The Athletic are reporting that discussions betw Villa and Napoli for a loan of Dendonckerare there any credible links to this one ?
There is from Fabrizo Romano
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1749836470032932875?t=M_TynzYuUVk1kemjAYMddA&s=19
Post by: Gareth on January 23, 2024, 05:27:37 PM
The Athletic are reporting that discussions betw Villa and Napoli for a loan of Dendonckerare there any credible links to this one ?
I’d say they are pretty credible, we aren’t talking Fottball insider guesswork
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 23, 2024, 05:28:17 PM
...he will still have a value that would cover the difference betw 18m and whatever we are obligated to buy him back for say it’s 22m he will be worth more than the 4m difference.
I remember reading something by a Sheffield Utd reporter who seemed to be across the detail of the agreement - I think we'd be buying him back for a bit less than they paid, so from their perspective it would effectively be the equivalent of paying a few million for a season loan.
If that is how it is structured then that makes more sense than us effectively paying them for a "loan".
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 23, 2024, 06:11:08 PM
The Athletic are reporting that discussions betw Villa and Napoli for a loan of Dendonckerare there any credible links to this one ?
Yeah Athletic are very credible
Post by: brontebilly on January 23, 2024, 06:13:13 PM
The Athletic are reporting that discussions betw Villa and Napoli for a loan of Dendonckerare there any credible links to this one ?
There is from Fabrizo Romano
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1749836470032932875?t=M_TynzYuUVk1kemjAYMddA&s=19
His agent has done well to get that gig for him. Unless Emery really rates Iroegbunam (no evidence of it to date) then we are incredibly light in midfield.
Post by: algy on January 23, 2024, 06:14:26 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2024/01/23/aston-villa-midfielder-heading-for-exit-with-napoli-loan-move-lined-up/
Post by: Monty on January 23, 2024, 06:15:08 PM
The Athletic are reporting that discussions betw Villa and Napoli for a loan of Dendonckerare there any credible links to this one ?
There is from Fabrizo Romano
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1749836470032932875?t=M_TynzYuUVk1kemjAYMddA&s=19
His agent has done well to get that gig for him. Unless Emery really rates Iroegbunam (no evidence of it to date) then we are incredibly light in midfield.
There's evidence that he rates him, but no, maybe not quite that much.
Napoli are bit of a case this season though...could be exactly what they need, or could be another mark of their floundering about. We'll see!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 23, 2024, 06:18:25 PM
The Athletic are reporting that discussions betw Villa and Napoli for a loan of Dendonckerare there any credible links to this one ?
Yeah Athletic are very credible
Whereas Tim is incredible.
Post by: Beard82 on January 23, 2024, 06:18:32 PM
That's my understanding - basically Sheff Utd will get relegated - and he'll have had an impossible season which may well stunt his development - and then well be buying him back for more than what we paid for him (based on what I've read). Potentially also landing us with a 20m player who may well not be good enough for the team, or suited to what the manager wants - but we cant sell because no-one unless someone wants to pay 20m for him. It doesnt really work for anyone - and only purpose seems intended to game FFP in the short-term.I see it differently. Based on what we know of the deal, Archer will be returning if SheffU get relegated: I don't believe that is optional, nor will we pay more than we received from them. If they're relegated, it effectively is a loan.Let's be totally honest here ... bounced about like an unwanted step-child.100% agree with this.
What was in it for us? - FFP benefits, for sure. But I don't think we'd have agreed to having him back unless Emery et al believe that this season in the Premier League will enhance him and make him a player for next season. And, if we believe that Emery is not enamoured with Duran, Archer's return makes more sense; as a number 2 to Watkins or a player to come on as a sub to offer something different.
Post by: brontebilly on January 23, 2024, 06:18:33 PM
The Athletic are reporting that discussions betw Villa and Napoli for a loan of Dendonckerare there any credible links to this one ?
There is from Fabrizo Romano
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1749836470032932875?t=M_TynzYuUVk1kemjAYMddA&s=19
His agent has done well to get that gig for him. Unless Emery really rates Iroegbunam (no evidence of it to date) then we are incredibly light in midfield.
There's evidence that he rates him, but no, maybe not quite that much.
Napoli are bit of a case this season though...could be exactly what they need, or could be another mark of their floundering about. We'll see!
He'll get stuck in and kick everything that moves but was never an Emery type player.
Post by: Monty on January 23, 2024, 06:19:28 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2024, 06:47:25 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 23, 2024, 06:59:49 PM
We have to try and shift Bert while he’s at AFCON. Because he’ll be injured the minute he tastes B6 air.
He's out of contract in the summer anyway. He might tog out and sit on the bench for a few games.
Bailey is a worry now contracts wise. Just over a year to go.
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 23, 2024, 07:17:26 PM
That's my understanding - basically Sheff Utd will get relegated - and he'll have had an impossible season which may well stunt his development - and then well be buying him back for more than what we paid for him (based on what I've read). Potentially also landing us with a 20m player who may well not be good enough for the team, or suited to what the manager wants - but we cant sell because no-one unless someone wants to pay 20m for him. It doesnt really work for anyone - and only purpose seems intended to game FFP in the short-term.I see it differently. Based on what we know of the deal, Archer will be returning if SheffU get relegated: I don't believe that is optional, nor will we pay more than we received from them. If they're relegated, it effectively is a loan.Let's be totally honest here ... bounced about like an unwanted step-child.100% agree with this.
What was in it for us? - FFP benefits, for sure. But I don't think we'd have agreed to having him back unless Emery et al believe that this season in the Premier League will enhance him and make him a player for next season. And, if we believe that Emery is not enamoured with Duran, Archer's return makes more sense; as a number 2 to Watkins or a player to come on as a sub to offer something different.
I'm sure nobody at the club who understands these things better than anyone else took this in to consideration.
He's played many more minutes already than he would have for us, or most other teams in the league, gaining invaluable experience. If he wasn't suited to the manager then why would we have bothered putting the buy back clause in. It's very similar to a loan financially, just we then have the player back to make a decision on again in July
FFP is all a game for everyone
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2024, 07:20:39 PM
1. Turns out to be awesome, so we can have him back.
2. Turns out to be decent enough and saleable for more money than the buy back amount.
There's zero, absolutely zero value in us buying him back and then loaning him out to anyone again.
It's also not similar to a loan financially. He's a youth product, we sell him and he's all profit.
We buy him back, for more money, and we're undoing the FFP benefits we got from shifting him in the first place. FFP is going to be tight enough for us as it is, nobody is going to want 20m plus of it tied up in a player who has not proved himself at this level.
With Duran that would be 35m worth of unproven, at best promising strikers.
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 23, 2024, 07:27:15 PM
There will be a clause in there in case he
1. Turns out to be awesome, so we can have him back.
2. Turns out to be decent enough and saleable for more money than the buy back amount.
There's zero, absolutely zero value in us buying him back and then loaning him out to anyone again.
As much as I want the lad to have a great career, I just do not see him as the next great thing. He did well in two stints in the championship, lots of players do, big Keinan was integral to Forest getting promoted a couple of years back. Lewis Grabban made a career out of being a really good championship striker.
My guess is, if this clause thing is accurate, Cam will come back in the summer after Sheffield go down and we’ll sell him again to an ambitious championship side or a newly promoted Ipswich or Southampton. Two transfer fees for the price of one, everyones a winner Rodders.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 23, 2024, 07:46:57 PM
We buy him back, for more money, and we're undoing the FFP benefits we got from shifting him in the first place. FFP is going to be tight enough for us as it is, nobody is going to want 20m plus of it tied up in a player who has not proved himself at this level.
With Duran that would be 35m worth of unproven, at best promising strikers.
If he'd 'proved himself' at Sheffield United this season he'd be worth £50m+ of anybody's money.
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 23, 2024, 07:47:55 PM
Buy him back for 20 million, 5 year deal = 4m per year.
2 years on loan at 5 mil a year maybe? Is this plausible? I know we have paid some hefty fees over the years. Sell for around 10 in the third year if he's not In our plans. That's now FFP impact at a is it?
Or buy him back and give him more chances and he flourishes. I think he is a great finisher and you can't teach that or athleticism. The rest you can to some degree
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2024, 08:05:29 PM
Why piss about with loan deals for a player we don’t want?
Post by: Matt C on January 23, 2024, 08:07:49 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2024, 08:09:46 PM
We buy him back, for more money, and we're undoing the FFP benefits we got from shifting him in the first place. FFP is going to be tight enough for us as it is, nobody is going to want 20m plus of it tied up in a player who has not proved himself at this level.
With Duran that would be 35m worth of unproven, at best promising strikers.
If he'd 'proved himself' at Sheffield United this season he'd be worth £50m+ of anybody's money.
But he hasn’t.
And he wouldn’t anyway unless you think someone is genuinely going to pay 50m for a player with one decent season under their belt.
He started on the bench at the weekend. And the match before, too.
Someone I’ve never heard of got the nod ahead of him. McBurnie got on the pitch before he did.
I genuinely don’t get why normally sensible people let their brains melt over Archer.
50m? I’ll have some of whatever it is you’re smoking.
Post by: Louzie0 on January 23, 2024, 08:11:14 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Rogers
Welcome, Morgan!
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 23, 2024, 08:21:57 PM
We buy him back, for more money, and we're undoing the FFP benefits we got from shifting him in the first place. FFP is going to be tight enough for us as it is, nobody is going to want 20m plus of it tied up in a player who has not proved himself at this level.
With Duran that would be 35m worth of unproven, at best promising strikers.
If he'd 'proved himself' at Sheffield United this season he'd be worth £50m+ of anybody's money.
But he hasn’t.
And he wouldn’t anyway unless you think someone is genuinely going to pay 50m for a player with one decent season under their belt.
He started on the bench at the weekend. And the match before, too.
Someone I’ve never heard of got the nod ahead of him. McBurnie got on the pitch before he did.
I genuinely don’t get why normally sensible people let their brains melt over Archer.
50m? I’ll have some of whatever it is you’re smoking.
Are you talking about Brereton-Diaz?
As for Archer not getting in, I suppose it's easy to say that their manager likes a tall striker.
McBurnie is about 6'3" & Brereton-Diaz is about 6'2".
However, on the flip side, he was happy to play Billy Sharp & he's only about 5'9"...
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 23, 2024, 08:22:25 PM
Morgan Rogers is a Villa Player
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Rogers
Welcome, Morgan!
I take it somebody changed it, and somebody else has now changed it back.
Post by: brontebilly on January 23, 2024, 08:24:39 PM
Morgan Rogers is a Villa Player
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Rogers
Welcome, Morgan!
Should have scored earlier, good play from the set piece. Seems to be playing up front tonight. I don't remember him at all against us.
Post by: Dave on January 23, 2024, 08:26:23 PM
Are you talking about Brereton-Diaz?
My money would be on William Osula.
Post by: Smithy on January 23, 2024, 08:26:31 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 23, 2024, 08:28:12 PM
In FFP terms, the Archer deal is basically like taking out a mortgage. We got the immediate £18-20m on our books for FFP, and if they get relegated we have to pay most of it back, but over 4 or 5 years (in FFP terms). So his sale helped us with FFP in the short term, and even if he comes back it's only going to cost us about £4-5m a year in FFP terms. If we sell him again we'd still be "up" on the deal. Or we keep him and he becomes an asset for the first team. Not really any downside, unless think he's 100% never going to be good enough for us.
Correct. Much as I wanted to explain, I couldn’t be arsed.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2024, 08:30:31 PM
Are you talking about Brereton-Diaz?
My money would be on William Osula.
Yes
Post by: Gareth on January 23, 2024, 08:33:27 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 23, 2024, 08:36:07 PM
Doesn’t seem very fast either.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 23, 2024, 08:48:02 PM
I hope they all have cracking careers I will add.
Archer, signed by a promoted side, scoring at the same rate Gestede did for us when we stank the league out. He's been dropped from the side that's 20th.
Ramsey, signed by a promoted side, that also stinks the league out. He struggles to get a start for the side that's 19th.
Philogene was signed by a second tier side, and in fairness is doing well. He seems like he could kick on. But it was still only Hull that were after him.
Azaz, signed by a mid-table second tier side for a few million.
I don't really see anything there that a side chasing Champions League football and is aiming to win major trophies is missing out on. I also don't think that if Emery had really wanted to keep any of them that we'd have sold them, regardless of FFP.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 23, 2024, 08:56:55 PM
Are you talking about Brereton-Diaz?
My money would be on William Osula.
Yes
Fair enough. 👍
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 23, 2024, 09:19:41 PM
We buy him back, for more money, and we're undoing the FFP benefits we got from shifting him in the first place. FFP is going to be tight enough for us as it is, nobody is going to want 20m plus of it tied up in a player who has not proved himself at this level.
With Duran that would be 35m worth of unproven, at best promising strikers.
If he'd 'proved himself' at Sheffield United this season he'd be worth £50m+ of anybody's money.
But he hasn’t.
And he wouldn’t anyway unless you think someone is genuinely going to pay 50m for a player with one decent season under their belt.
He started on the bench at the weekend. And the match before, too.
Someone I’ve never heard of got the nod ahead of him. McBurnie got on the pitch before he did.
I genuinely don’t get why normally sensible people let their brains melt over Archer.
50m? I’ll have some of whatever it is you’re smoking.
No serious person would have expected him to prove himself at Sheff Utd this season. As I've already said, I doubt Watkins or even Haaland would do better because Sheff Utd are shit. If a club are prepared to pay £20m for an unproven PL striker, how much would a free goalscoring (proven) player cost from a shit Sheffield Utd?
Just because Wilder prefers to play rugby league rather than Premier League doesn't make Archer a bad player. I understand your frustration that some see Archer's talents and keep banging on about him but more frustrating, at least for me, would be letting him go without ever giving him a chance with quality players around him.
Career wise moving to Sheff Utd was a really shit decision, it was obvious to everybody they were favourites to go down. I said at the time I'd have preferred to see him on loan at Leeds even though it would be another season in the Championship. No doubt they'd be people complaining that he's not PL proven but he'd have experienced the pressure of winning, something that would serve him well at Villa Park.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on January 23, 2024, 09:21:34 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2024, 10:00:47 PM
Just because Wilder prefers to play rugby league rather than Premier League doesn't make Archer a bad player. I understand your frustration that some see Archer's talents and keep banging on about him but more frustrating, at least for me, would be letting him go without ever giving him a chance with quality players around him.
Career wise moving to Sheff Utd was a really shit decision, it was obvious to everybody they were favourites to go down. I said at the time I'd have preferred to see him on loan at Leeds even though it would be another season in the Championship. No doubt they'd be people complaining that he's not PL proven but he'd have experienced the pressure of winning, something that would serve him well at Villa Park.
The manager makes the decision on what he sees in training, not just on the pitch. If it was 'a shit career decision' for him to go to the Blades, that's his problem, not ours - we got almost 20m for a totally unproven player, that's all we need to care about.
Archer never showed he could do it when he got a chance, and if he didn't get enough of a chance, that's probably connected with three managers not fancying him.
It's a tough business to make it in, and I still hope he does, but people act like our role is to develop Cameron Archer. It isn't. It is to do what's better for Aston Villa.
We need to get used to being, as the big man would say, more demanding in what we want from our players.
EDIT - and what PWS said in his post is spot on.
Post by: eamonn on January 23, 2024, 10:04:57 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 23, 2024, 10:25:05 PM
This Archer talk is circular and boring.
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 23, 2024, 10:37:41 PM
This Archer talk is circular and boring.
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Is there any local land where we could build a new stadium? 😉
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 23, 2024, 10:38:19 PM
This Archer talk is circular and boring.
Agreed, plus all this tedious chat about FFP gives the impression that accountancy is boring.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2024, 10:56:43 PM
This Archer talk is circular and boring.
That's why i got involved in this yawnfest in the first place - people unable to let go of Archer. He was here, he didn't make it, we sold him. Move on, we need better than that now.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 23, 2024, 10:59:40 PM
This Archer talk is circular and boring.
That's why i got involved in this yawnfest in the first place - people unable to let go of Archer. He was here, he didn't make it, we sold him. Move on, we need better than that now.
But we’re buying him back in May, so not quite ‘moving on’.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 23, 2024, 10:59:47 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2024, 11:02:55 PM
This Archer talk is circular and boring.
That's why i got involved in this yawnfest in the first place - people unable to let go of Archer. He was here, he didn't make it, we sold him. Move on, we need better than that now.
But we’re buying him back in May, so not quite ‘moving on’.
I mean people on here banging on and on about him needing to move on - like Vinnie said, he'll come back and be sold again.
The ratio of actual on-pitch discussion-worthy deeds vs chat about him on here is through the roof.
Post by: VillaTim on January 23, 2024, 11:13:22 PM
Post by: algy on January 23, 2024, 11:23:11 PM
What we've done is sold 2 players who are currently around bottom half Premier League level and 2 more who are around championship level for about £40m combined. Which will pay for 1 player who is in that sort of bracket. In that sense it's job done - our academy has, indirectly, strengthened the first team. And if any of them do turn out to be good (except Azaz) we can get them back at what'll be a very good price.
Rogers seems an odd player to go after. Presumably Emery etc have scouted the life out of him for the FA Cup game though.
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 23, 2024, 11:29:58 PM
Really looking forward to Archer returning and providing some true competition for Watkins . Archer is a natural goalscorer
Watkins is not a natural goal scorer, they are very very different types of players.
I remember reading stats about pressing and archers lack of it/lack of winning interceptions and closing off passing lanes.
At a lower level he has shown he can finish instinctively, let's not confuse this with being a complete or rounded player
Post by: AV84 on January 23, 2024, 11:30:12 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 23, 2024, 11:30:43 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 23, 2024, 11:44:11 PM
If we buy archer back this summer it will be only to sell him on again
You could have posted that earlier today rather than have to read so much nonsense and post nonsense in reply. Archer's dead to me now. ;)
Out of interest, do you think we'll ever see Emery try and develop any of our youth players or are they purely there for FFP?*
*Please ignore at least until late Friday evening and only if Cole Palmer scores at hattrick. ;)
Post by: brontebilly on January 24, 2024, 12:15:24 AM
I think if we're being honest, none of the lads we sold over the summer have shown anything to make us regret selling them. If we miss out on CL this season we won't be thinking if only we hadn't sold Aaron Ramsey, or we'll do better next season when Cameron Archer comes back. It's never a bad idea to put in some sort of buy back clause, but unless they're mandatory, like the Archer one seems to be, I don't think we'll be seeing any of them back at Villa Park anytime soon.
Aaron Ramsey and Archer joined two dreadful teams, very hard to stand out in the circumstances. They haven't shown it consistently yet but then again neither have the likes of Duran and Zaniolo either in a far better team.
There was a lot of hype about Kompany and Burnley last summer but that "identity" and "patterns of play" will be heading straight back to the championship without a serious rethink.. Mowbrays West Brom comes to mind or if we are honest our first season up under Smith at times. Players, especially young players need direction, Ramsey is getting none of that.
Sheffield United looked doomed after a few games. Some posters here will obviously be closer to the specifics but it looks like Archer was horribly advised going there. Wilder's kick and rush will hardly suit him now either. Maybe character building for him in the long run.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2024, 12:19:35 AM
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 24, 2024, 12:55:37 AM
I think if we're being honest, none of the lads we sold over the summer have shown anything to make us regret selling them. If we miss out on CL this season we won't be thinking if only we hadn't sold Aaron Ramsey, or we'll do better next season when Cameron Archer comes back. It's never a bad idea to put in some sort of buy back clause, but unless they're mandatory, like the Archer one seems to be, I don't think we'll be seeing any of them back at Villa Park anytime soon.
Aaron Ramsey and Archer joined two dreadful teams, very hard to stand out in the circumstances. They haven't shown it consistently yet but then again neither have the likes of Duran and Zaniolo either in a far better team.
There was a lot of hype about Kompany and Burnley last summer but that "identity" and "patterns of play" will be heading straight back to the championship without a serious rethink.. Mowbrays West Brom comes to mind or if we are honest our first season up under Smith at times. Players, especially young players need direction, Ramsey is getting none of that.
Sheffield United looked doomed after a few games. Some posters here will obviously be closer to the specifics but it looks like Archer was horribly advised going there. Wilder's kick and rush will hardly suit him now either. Maybe character building for him in the long run.
The majority of loaned players go to either lower league teams or newly promoted teams, this isn't a surprise. It's not expected that loan players will join elite coaches in excellent teams, that's why they are on loan. Minutes in the Premier league, regardless of the team and style are invaluable to a player. People are going bloody mental over all this
Post by: AV84 on January 24, 2024, 03:47:01 AM
I think if we're being honest, none of the lads we sold over the summer have shown anything to make us regret selling them. If we miss out on CL this season we won't be thinking if only we hadn't sold Aaron Ramsey, or we'll do better next season when Cameron Archer comes back. It's never a bad idea to put in some sort of buy back clause, but unless they're mandatory, like the Archer one seems to be, I don't think we'll be seeing any of them back at Villa Park anytime soon.
Aaron Ramsey and Archer joined two dreadful teams, very hard to stand out in the circumstances. They haven't shown it consistently yet but then again neither have the likes of Duran and Zaniolo either in a far better team.
I get your point but also people were excited about Ramsey and Archer doing well on loan last season at a team that didn't make it out of the Championship. Likewise when some on here were interested in the idea of Tammy Abrahams coming back to us others dismissed it immediately because he played well in the Championship for us and we've moved beyond that level now.
Another point I'd make is that when the 3 sides last season were relegated there was a list of players from all 3 that bigger clubs were in for straight away. Arguably better teams than the ones down there this year but it shows you can stand out as a player even when your team is shit.
Post by: Smithy on January 24, 2024, 07:43:06 AM
I could see Philogene coming back. Emery seemed to really like him in the summer but let him go out because he couldn't guarantee the gametime. I know there's the clause Hull have talked about but I suspect there's more to it and he'll be back either this summer or next, so long as we still want him.
He could certainly take Bert's place in the squad next season.
Post by: Smithy on January 24, 2024, 07:49:38 AM
I think if we're being honest, none of the lads we sold over the summer have shown anything to make us regret selling them. If we miss out on CL this season we won't be thinking if only we hadn't sold Aaron Ramsey, or we'll do better next season when Cameron Archer comes back. It's never a bad idea to put in some sort of buy back clause, but unless they're mandatory, like the Archer one seems to be, I don't think we'll be seeing any of them back at Villa Park anytime soon.
Aaron Ramsey and Archer joined two dreadful teams, very hard to stand out in the circumstances. They haven't shown it consistently yet but then again neither have the likes of Duran and Zaniolo either in a far better team.
I get your point but also people were excited about Ramsey and Archer doing well on loan last season at a team that didn't make it out of the Championship. Likewise when some on here were interested in the idea of Tammy Abrahams coming back to us others dismissed it immediately because he played well in the Championship for us and we've moved beyond that level now.
Another point I'd make is that when the 3 sides last season were relegated there was a list of players from all 3 that bigger clubs were in for straight away. Arguably better teams than the ones down there this year but it shows you can stand out as a player even when your team is shit.
I get your point about players from last year's relegated sides "standing out" so much they were in demand, but we're talking about established premier league players, not youngsters with only one year in the premier league. The only one who comes close to fitting that profile is Livramento, and he was good the year before they were relegated.
I'm not sure we'll bring any of them back (if it's our choice), but I don't hold the fact that they didn't pull up trees in a relegation side against them. 20-year-old Jack Grealish didn't do a huge deal for us in our relegation season, and only generated a derisory Spurs bid. It's hard to stand out if you're breaking into a truly crap team.
Post by: Steve67 on January 24, 2024, 08:54:16 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2024, 09:04:38 AM
If we were to purchase any of the players that we sold last summer, they have to be better than what we have got, otherwise we are moving backwards. It isn’t going to happen.
Yes. Absolutely this.
Moving to the next level and being sentimental about players we already decided aren’t good enough for where we are now absolutely do not go together.
Post by: Dogtanian on January 24, 2024, 09:05:25 AM
If we were to purchase any of the players that we sold last summer, they have to be better than what we have got, otherwise we are moving backwards. It isn’t going to happen.
The one I could see would be Philogene, but it depends how long our buyback / first refusal lasts for. By all accounts, we wanted him in the squad, but he was adamant he wanted to go where he would play regularly. And you can't blame him, he's really developing. But it will take longer than this season for him to be ready to get the game time he'd want, by which time our deal will probably be up.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 24, 2024, 09:09:54 AM
If we were to purchase any of the players that we sold last summer, they have to be better than what we have got, otherwise we are moving backwards. It isn’t going to happen.
There’s that, and there’s reneging on contractual obligations.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 24, 2024, 09:12:39 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2024, 09:15:48 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 24, 2024, 09:29:03 AM
If we were to purchase any of the players that we sold last summer, they have to be better than what we have got, otherwise we are moving backwards. It isn’t going to happen.JPB looks more ready than Rogers to me. And given Zaniolo hasn't pulled up trees and Ramsey has been injured / off form, he could have been very useful this season.
Post by: sid1964 on January 24, 2024, 10:16:17 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 24, 2024, 11:36:47 AM
If we were to purchase any of the players that we sold last summer, they have to be better than what we have got, otherwise we are moving backwards. It isn’t going to happen.
Yes. Absolutely this.
Moving to the next level and being sentimental about players we already decided aren’t good enough for where we are now absolutely do not go together.
On the other hand, Archer is, effectively, only on loan. I think if he were on an official loan we'd be having mixed feelings about his progress and the team he's in.
He's scored good goals, but isn't getting the service and Wilder is more old-school agricultural than Heckingbottom. If he had gone to Leicester he'd probably be scoring for fun, but that would be tempered by the fact he was in the division below, so the reality is we'll never know unless he played for us.
I think he'd score goals for us for sure, but would offer less than Watkins overall.
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2024, 11:46:53 AM
looks as though the young Iceland goal keeper is going to Brentford
Any good prospect keeper is going to take some convincing to be backup to Emi.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2024, 12:01:26 PM
On the other hand, Archer is, effectively, only on loan.
No, he isn't. That is the point.
Yes, we can have him back - that is where the similarities end - but we'd be buying him, plus someone has already given us £20m for him.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2024, 12:02:12 PM
looks as though the young Iceland goal keeper is going to Brentford
Any good prospect keeper is going to take some convincing to be backup to Emi.
Or they could think "he went from being a nobody to being the best keeper in the world at that club" and see the opportunity.
Post by: Drummond on January 24, 2024, 12:11:56 PM
On the other hand, Archer is, effectively, only on loan.
No, he isn't. That is the point.
Yes, we can have him back - that is where the similarities end - but we'd be buying him, plus someone has already given us £20m for him.
If they go down, the deal is we have to buy him back. And they were pretty much always going down. If they stay up we can buy him back at an inflated price, so that's where the (unlikely) choice element is.
Post by: Dogtanian on January 24, 2024, 12:17:07 PM
If we got Rogers, do we think Duran will be let go? Rogers is more like Watkins, which is great as backup, but worse for doing something different when you need to.
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2024, 12:42:29 PM
looks as though the young Iceland goal keeper is going to Brentford
Any good prospect keeper is going to take some convincing to be backup to Emi.
Or they could think "he went from being a nobody to being the best keeper in the world at that club" and see the opportunity.
Would you look at a 30 year old Martinez and think "I'm going to get games there to show how good I am?". At 22-23 you need to be getting regular football, which is much more likely at Brentford. If he's brilliant there, he'll move on pretty quick, and may well look at Raya going to Arsenal as a path.
I'm much more concerned about how light we are going to be in midfield going into the second half of the season. We were light before Dendonker was off, now we're super skinny squad wise.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 24, 2024, 01:12:23 PM
looks as though the young Iceland goal keeper is going to Brentford
Any good prospect keeper is going to take some convincing to be backup to Emi.
Or they could think "he went from being a nobody to being the best keeper in the world at that club" and see the opportunity.
Would you look at a 30 year old Martinez and think "I'm going to get games there to show how good I am?". At 22-23 you need to be getting regular football, which is much more likely at Brentford. If he's brilliant there, he'll move on pretty quick, and may well look at Raya going to Arsenal as a path.
I'm much more concerned about how light we are going to be in midfield going into the second half of the season. We were light before Dendonker was off, now we're super skinny squad wise.
I would rather our midfield be in a place where a talented youngster can get a few chances, rather than be overly stacked & then sell them off the youngsters for 57p & a packet of pork scratchings in order to satisfy some abacus using bean counter named Colin...
Post by: Monty on January 24, 2024, 01:16:26 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 24, 2024, 01:17:26 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 24, 2024, 01:19:24 PM
This whole FFP thing - sorry, can't say 'P&S', makes me think of ferries or creepy old theatre directors or something, while 'FFP' makes me think, appropriately, of swearing - it's all just made me even more pissed off with Gerrard and the whole Gerrard phase. Squandering all that money, forcing the sale of academy players we might've wanted to keep while reselling his duds at big losses...fuck all of that honestly.
Yep. Gerrard was a colossal error.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 24, 2024, 01:25:38 PM
This whole FFP thing - sorry, can't say 'P&S', makes me think of ferries or creepy old theatre directors or something, while 'FFP' makes me think, appropriately, of swearing - it's all just made me even more pissed off with Gerrard and the whole Gerrard phase. Squandering all that money, forcing the sale of academy players we might've wanted to keep while reselling his duds at big losses...fuck all of that honestly.
Yes, he was soooo shit wasn’t he?
That rumoured sale of Coutinho for a sizeable fee would have helped massively, as would a cheap replacement for Digne and consequently his sale. Carlos isn’t on huge money, although of course there was a hefty fee. Let’s hope Donk does well in Naples.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 24, 2024, 01:30:38 PM
Well Colin decides whether we get docked 10 points or not, so whether you want to or not we need to satisfy him.
I understand that, but I would rather not satisfy Colin by selling the likes of Iroegbunam for a fast below his market value sale...
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2024, 01:47:09 PM
If we were to purchase any of the players that we sold last summer, they have to be better than what we have got, otherwise we are moving backwards. It isn’t going to happen.JPB looks more ready than Rogers to me. And given Zaniolo hasn't pulled up trees and Ramsey has been injured / off form, he could have been very useful this season.
I’ll be honest if you were pitching it at the start of the season - Italian international vs potentially might be ok I know which way I’d go. Also I’ve seen nothing to suggest Ramsey would have offered more than Zaniolo.
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 24, 2024, 01:53:21 PM
Apart from the avid watchers of the championship and Boro in particular, i doubt any of us has seen enough of Rogers to make that judgement.If we were to purchase any of the players that we sold last summer, they have to be better than what we have got, otherwise we are moving backwards. It isn’t going to happen.JPB looks more ready than Rogers to me. And given Zaniolo hasn't pulled up trees and Ramsey has been injured / off form, he could have been very useful this season.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 24, 2024, 02:21:30 PM
I meant Jacob Ramsey has been injured / disappointing as as such JPB may have been useful, particularly given his pre-season form.If we were to purchase any of the players that we sold last summer, they have to be better than what we have got, otherwise we are moving backwards. It isn’t going to happen.JPB looks more ready than Rogers to me. And given Zaniolo hasn't pulled up trees and Ramsey has been injured / off form, he could have been very useful this season.
I’ll be honest if you were pitching it at the start of the season - Italian international vs potentially might be ok I know which way I’d go. Also I’ve seen nothing to suggest Ramsey would have offered more than Zaniolo.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 24, 2024, 02:33:28 PM
The stats of 6 goals and 5 assists in 14 games Championship games is pretty compelling for JPB, particularly when added to his pre-season form which was there for all of us to see.Apart from the avid watchers of the championship and Boro in particular, i doubt any of us has seen enough of Rogers to make that judgement.If we were to purchase any of the players that we sold last summer, they have to be better than what we have got, otherwise we are moving backwards. It isn’t going to happen.JPB looks more ready than Rogers to me. And given Zaniolo hasn't pulled up trees and Ramsey has been injured / off form, he could have been very useful this season.
Rogers has a decent 7 goals and 9 assists in 33 games inc cups, but only 2 goals and 6 assists in 26 Championship games. Last season in the Championship he had 1 goal and 2 assists in 20 games for Blackpool.
Post by: Skerra on January 24, 2024, 03:00:05 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2024, 03:03:54 PM
I haven’t seen anything in Rogers yet to get too excited
I can see what they see, he might not have ripped up trees so far but he's big, quick, strong with the ball at his feet and has skill, he's got the tools required to succeed at this level.
Post by: VillaTim on January 24, 2024, 03:50:24 PM
I haven’t seen anything in Rogers yet to get too excitedFile alongside Duran in the "One for the Future" section
Post by: john e on January 24, 2024, 03:51:18 PM
I haven’t seen anything in Rogers yet to get too excited
I can see what they see, he might not have ripped up trees so far but he's big, quick, strong with the ball at his feet and has skill, he's got the tools required to succeed at this level.
We need tools
Post by: chrisw1 on January 24, 2024, 04:26:00 PM
I haven’t seen anything in Rogers yet to get too excitedHe had pretty forgettable loans at Blackpool and Bournemouth before moving to Middlesborough for a fairly small fee last summer. He doesn't seem to have done much there either (just seen a clip from 'second-tier' podcast who agree - they know their stuff re the Championship)
https://x.com/secondtierpod/status/1750126802972914029?s=20
I know 'trust Emery' and all that, but even so it's a really odd link and a fee of £10m plus just looks crazy.
Post by: London Villan on January 24, 2024, 04:32:21 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2024, 04:32:44 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 24, 2024, 04:36:12 PM
In the context of other fees £10m odd is pretty small.
In that case, Paul, could you loan me a couple of hundred quid as I need to get the brakes done on my car?
Post by: chrisw1 on January 24, 2024, 04:47:20 PM
In the context of other fees £10m odd is pretty small.Tell that to Everton and Forest.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 24, 2024, 04:57:00 PM
In the context of other fees £10m odd is pretty small.Tell that to Everton and Forest.
Maybe they shouldn’t try and cook the books and operate ethically. £10m is peanuts when you consider much of the shit going for way, way more.
Post by: Drummond on January 24, 2024, 05:01:52 PM
I haven’t seen anything in Rogers yet to get too excited
I can see what they see, he might not have ripped up trees so far but he's big, quick, strong with the ball at his feet and has skill, he's got the tools required to succeed at this level.
That finish last night reminded me of a Bertie finish, effortlessly passing it into the corner.
Then again he does remind me a bit if Chukwuemeka too.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2024, 05:04:43 PM
In the context of other fees £10m odd is pretty small.Tell that to Everton and Forest.
It’s still a lot if you’re missing the prescribed targets - but this is about player value. If we’ve seen something in him then £10m is ok.
Post by: OCD on January 24, 2024, 05:06:35 PM
Post by: Rigadon on January 24, 2024, 06:41:29 PM
We wouldn't entirely be buying him for the player he is right now, more so we would be buying the player we think he will become over the next few years (with Emery coaching him).
If that’s true, it’s a weird time to be signing him isn’t it? When we’re a solid second half of the season away from CL qualification surely we should be getting in players for right now?
I completely trust Emery obviously, but I hope that if we are signing he potential here, that that doesn’t preclude us from signing proven quality some how too.
Maybe we’re getting rid of Duran to make room for this kid? As in we’re swapping potential for potential.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2024, 06:49:10 PM
I completely trust Emery obviously, but I hope that if we are signing he potential here, that that doesn’t preclude us from signing proven quality some how too.
Yeah, buying potential is smart, but *looks at squad, looks at table* missed opportunity not to add one or two match-ready players to the squad.
Post by: VillaTim on January 24, 2024, 06:56:11 PM
Hopefully that is the one and only similarity to Bertrand TraoreI haven’t seen anything in Rogers yet to get too excited
I can see what they see, he might not have ripped up trees so far but he's big, quick, strong with the ball at his feet and has skill, he's got the tools required to succeed at this level.
That finish last night reminded me of a Bertie finish, effortlessly passing it into the corner.
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 24, 2024, 07:41:21 PM
We wouldn't entirely be buying him for the player he is right now, more so we would be buying the player we think he will become over the next few years (with Emery coaching him).
If that’s true, it’s a weird time to be signing him isn’t it? When we’re a solid second half of the season away from CL qualification surely we should be getting in players for right now?
I completely trust Emery obviously, but I hope that if we are signing he potential here, that that doesn’t preclude us from signing proven quality some how too.
Maybe we’re getting rid of Duran to make room for this kid? As in we’re swapping potential for potential.
You'd imagine that ffp is tight, January prices are massively inflated/market is much smaller and that the summer will be busy
Post by: john e on January 24, 2024, 07:48:16 PM
I actually think it’s a good thing
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 24, 2024, 07:52:51 PM
That finish last night reminded me of a Bertie finish, effortlessly passing it into the corner.
Hopefully that is the one and only similarity to Bertrand Traore
The word on Teesside is that Morgan's apartment is tastefully decorated.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 24, 2024, 07:54:02 PM
Edit. I meant another loan.
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2024, 07:57:33 PM
At the same time, I am much, much more worried about the lack of anyone to cover Kamara. Dendonker was not perfect, but at least got his foot in. McGinn is lost playing deeper, and Luiz is nowhere near as effective. We need a player in that position.
Post by: VillaTim on January 24, 2024, 08:00:37 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 24, 2024, 08:04:18 PM
Post by: Dave on January 24, 2024, 08:15:10 PM
The problem with an understood to Kamara is the drop off in quality is always going to be a huge gulf in quality. He’s so good at that role.
Yup. The sort of player who could do what Kamara does 80% as well as him, is still a £40m midfielder who would probably be good enough to start for the likes of Man Utd and Newcastle.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2024, 08:19:41 PM
I'm not sure I'd read too much into Duran to Chelsea , his agent seems a total chancer . Two weeks ago he was going to AC Milan.
Which (shit) former player of ours was it whose agent kept linking him with Napoli and other unlikely destinations?
Post by: curiousorange on January 24, 2024, 08:24:45 PM
I'm not sure I'd read too much into Duran to Chelsea , his agent seems a total chancer . Two weeks ago he was going to AC Milan.
Which (shit) former player of ours was it whose agent kept linking him with Napoli and other unlikely destinations?
Bacuna probably linked himself.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2024, 08:26:52 PM
I'm not sure I'd read too much into Duran to Chelsea , his agent seems a total chancer . Two weeks ago he was going to AC Milan.
Which (shit) former player of ours was it whose agent kept linking him with Napoli and other unlikely destinations?
Bacuna probably linked himself.
No, I think it might have been Reo-Coker. Possibly.
Post by: brontebilly on January 24, 2024, 08:29:22 PM
Does he run around a lot and chase down defenders like Watkins?
Maybe it was tactical to drop off but I was expecting him to be Watkins esque last night pressing from the front. He did nothing of the sort in the first half, to be fair Boro seemed a rabble tactically. He's a big unit with a nice first touch on him to get turned quickly. But he seems half a yard short of pace on last night's viewing. I didn't notice him at all against us.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 24, 2024, 08:30:41 PM
Would anyone take cutting short Zaniolo’s loan and looking for someone else in that position, if we could contractually?
Edit. I meant another loan.
Absolutely. Zanilio has shown that he's decent without showing anything special though he can hit a ball. Not good enough to start and not really offering anything from the bench. If it's true he's playing out of position and he's better on the right then it must be disappointing for him. He has my respect for giving it a go and helping out the team.
Who did you have in mind?
Post by: VillaTim on January 24, 2024, 08:55:36 PM
Jores Okore . That bloke was seriously deluded .I'm not sure I'd read too much into Duran to Chelsea , his agent seems a total chancer . Two weeks ago he was going to AC Milan.
Which (shit) former player of ours was it whose agent kept linking him with Napoli and other unlikely destinations?
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2024, 10:24:12 PM
The problem with an understood to Kamara is the drop off in quality is always going to be a huge gulf in quality. He’s so good at that role.
Yup. The sort of player who could do what Kamara does 80% as well as him, is still a £40m midfielder who would probably be good enough to start for the likes of Man Utd and Newcastle.
I don't disagree, but we need something in the squad to play there.
Post by: Dave on January 24, 2024, 10:34:31 PM
The problem with an understood to Kamara is the drop off in quality is always going to be a huge gulf in quality. He’s so good at that role.
Yup. The sort of player who could do what Kamara does 80% as well as him, is still a £40m midfielder who would probably be good enough to start for the likes of Man Utd and Newcastle.
I don't disagree, but we need something in the squad to play there.
That's probably Iroegbunam though, isn't it?
If we thought it was that important, we could probably throw half our budget at (say) Kalvin Phillips who would easily get more minutes here than at Man City and we're probably more attractive than West Ham.
But the upgrade from Iroegbunam to Phillips, while substantial, isn't enough that it's our big-budget signing for the next year or so.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 24, 2024, 10:37:59 PM
Would anyone take cutting short Zaniolo’s loan and looking for someone else in that position, if we could contractually?
Edit. I meant another loan.
Absolutely. Zanilio has shown that he's decent without showing anything special though he can hit a ball. Not good enough to start and not really offering anything from the bench. If it's true he's playing out of position and he's better on the right then it must be disappointing for him. He has my respect for giving it a go and helping out the team.
Who did you have in mind?
Well there were tenuous links to Reyna and a German attacker who I’d heard of but can’t remember who he plays for. I wouldn’t be against swapping the loan, as it were, but the chances are they’d come in and have to earn the trust of Emery and get used to how the team plays, all of which takes time.
Do we know if the loan has an obligation to buy or just an option?
Post by: john2710 on January 24, 2024, 10:44:03 PM
Emery may have seen enough in iroegbunam to think he could offer at least the same cover as Dendonker.
Post by: Gareth on January 24, 2024, 10:52:59 PM
Odd signing, always the poor link alongside Neves and Moutinho
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2024, 11:04:41 PM
Dendonker has started 1 game in the Premier League this season & another 33 mins from the bench. So he won't be much of a loss, when Kamara was out Emery didn't turn to him.
Except for Man United away.
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2024, 11:44:08 PM
Post by: robleflaneur on January 25, 2024, 12:12:09 AM
But our record without Kamara, when Emery has turned to Luiz or McGinn deeper, has generally been poor. I think we are a quality central midfielder light, and I see Tielemans much more of a number ten, I don't think he has the energy to play in the centre of midfield in an Emery team effectively.True,but it was a pity that Tielemans was also missing.A midfield trio of him,Luiz and McGinn with Iroegbunam as back up would have enough physical presence to compensate for the absence of Kamara.Jacob Ramsey would cover if other midfielders were absent.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 25, 2024, 12:26:58 AM
But our record without Kamara, when Emery has turned to Luiz or McGinn deeper, has generally been poor. I think we are a quality central midfielder light, and I see Tielemans much more of a number ten, I don't think he has the energy to play in the centre of midfield in an Emery team effectively.True,but it was a pity that Tielemans was also missing.A midfield trio of him,Luiz and McGinn with Iroegbunam as back up would have enough physical presence to compensate for the absence of Kamara.Jacob Ramsey would cover if other midfielders were absent.
I still don't think it works that well. For me Tielemans has to be playing with Kamara/other DM and Luiz. You replace Kamara with McGinn as DM and it's a drop off. I agree with ozzjim that Tielemans isn't very effective as one of those 2 either, particularly replacing Kamara. Personally I would always put a DM alongside Luiz because he loses his effectiveness also without one with him, even if that means a youngster like Tim.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 25, 2024, 12:34:35 AM
But our record without Kamara, when Emery has turned to Luiz or McGinn deeper, has generally been poor. I think we are a quality central midfielder light, and I see Tielemans much more of a number ten, I don't think he has the energy to play in the centre of midfield in an Emery team effectively.True,but it was a pity that Tielemans was also missing.A midfield trio of him,Luiz and McGinn with Iroegbunam as back up would have enough physical presence to compensate for the absence of Kamara.Jacob Ramsey would cover if other midfielders were absent.
I still don't think it works that well. For me Tielemans has to be playing with Kamara/other DM and Luiz. You replace Kamara with McGinn as DM and it's a drop off. I agree with ozzjim that Tielemans isn't very effective as one of those 2 either, particularly replacing Kamara. Personally I would always put a DM alongside Luiz because he loses his effectiveness also without one with him, even if that means a youngster like Tim.
Yep, agree with that. Tielemans looked a lot more effective in the 'number 10' role before he got injured and I think him in that position with Kamara and Luiz behind looks solid.
Think we are missing that mobile, physical.option who can come on and give us some energy in the closing stages as well as deputise for Kamara when he is missing.
Post by: brontebilly on January 25, 2024, 02:29:45 AM
But our record without Kamara, when Emery has turned to Luiz or McGinn deeper, has generally been poor. I think we are a quality central midfielder light, and I see Tielemans much more of a number ten, I don't think he has the energy to play in the centre of midfield in an Emery team effectively.
Tielemans played in that role at Bournemouth when Kamara was out and was a complete passenger. At 10 or at times covering for Ramsey on the left but that's it. He hasn't the athleticism to play that role. Don't think Emery will trust him there again bar in an emergency.
McGinn on occasion has stepped in and done ok next to Luiz or Kamara but again it's not his best position, taking the ball from the back on the half turn.... McGinn has been running on empty last few games but it's not helping moving him all over the place from game to game. CM, RM, LM, 10....We will be badly short if even one of Luiz or Kamara are out, we saw that over Xmas.
We are already short of cover for McGinn or Ramsey on the sides as is. It worked for a while with Bailey coming in on the right but now it's a tactical problem as Diaby and himself are getting in each other's way a lot of the time. I'd say Tielemans will come back in at 10 on Friday night with one of Diaby and Bailey on the right. McGinn back on left and Luiz/Kamara sitting. Might be a better balance to the team as a result.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 25, 2024, 03:10:27 AM
Post by: brontebilly on January 25, 2024, 03:48:18 AM
Tielemans had his best game against citeh. He was played wide but tucked in, hardly in the 10 role.
For my memory, we had McGinn kind of left that night, Bailey on the right and Tielemans dropping off Watkins centrally.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 25, 2024, 03:55:22 AM
Both he and Mcginn pressed so it went 4 2 2 1 with Bailey out wide.Tielemans had his best game against citeh. He was played wide but tucked in, hardly in the 10 role.
For my memory, we had McGinn kind of left that night, Bailey on the right and Tielemans dropping off Watkins centrally.
I was just making the point that it wasn’t in the 10 role.
Post by: Mister E on January 25, 2024, 08:12:10 AM
In the context of other fees £10m odd is pretty small.not compared to Philogene.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 25, 2024, 09:39:45 AM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 25, 2024, 09:50:05 AM
Post by: VillaTim on January 25, 2024, 09:54:16 AM
So it's him not happy then?some Agents love to just keep moving players around for the transfer payment cut
Post by: john2710 on January 25, 2024, 10:21:51 AM
Dendonker has started 1 game in the Premier League this season & another 33 mins from the bench. So he won't be much of a loss, when Kamara was out Emery didn't turn to him.
Except for Man United away.
Which is the 1 PL game he's started.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2024, 10:28:05 AM
Post by: Risso on January 25, 2024, 10:31:05 AM
There’s a balance to strike though he’s turned to him more than Tim hasn’t he? Clearly if Kamara is out he’s basically irreplaceable, but we shouldn’t hollow out the squad to such an extent that we can’t even attempt to cover that loss (which hopefully won’t happen). I don’t have a problem with Donk going, but I do have a problem with having an even thinner squad.
We've got enough very good central midfielders to be honest, and I think that Luiz should be able to do a better job of covering for Kamara than he possibly has.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 25, 2024, 10:42:08 AM
Our bench in our last league game
1) We didnt even name a full bench
2) Dendonker and Marschall subs - both gone
3) Leaves Zaniolo, Tielemens, Duran (prob off as well), Cash, Tim, Wright (gk)
(JJ, Pau and Digne only ones to add back in when fit)
If our strategy is going with this and hoping for best with 30+ games left to play then its beyond risky
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 25, 2024, 10:55:24 AM
Squad depth/quality is a serious issue imo
Our bench in our last league game
1) We didnt even name a full bench
2) Dendonker and Marschall subs - both gone
3) Leaves Zaniolo, Tielemens, Duran (prob off as well), Cash, Tim, Wright (gk)
(JJ, Pau and Digne only ones to add back in when fit)
If our strategy is going with this and hoping for best with 30+ games left to play then its beyond risky
It would be absolutely nuts.
I also worry, too, that we can't bring in any more loans, what with six days left in the window and perm moves taking longer to make happen. There's no room for quick fixes.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 25, 2024, 11:00:14 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on January 25, 2024, 11:20:36 AM
This whole FFP thing - sorry, can't say 'P&S', makes me think of ferries or creepy old theatre directors or something, while 'FFP' makes me think, appropriately, of swearing - it's all just made me even more pissed off with Gerrard and the whole Gerrard phase. Squandering all that money, forcing the sale of academy players we might've wanted to keep while reselling his duds at big losses...fuck all of that honestly.
Use the proper acronym of PSR then. Then you can still use the swearing usage for it as it is a "pisser" that we can't spend on more players.
Post by: ozzjim on January 25, 2024, 11:38:16 AM
Squad depth/quality is a serious issue imo
Our bench in our last league game
1) We didnt even name a full bench
2) Dendonker and Marschall subs - both gone
3) Leaves Zaniolo, Tielemens, Duran (prob off as well), Cash, Tim, Wright (gk)
(JJ, Pau and Digne only ones to add back in when fit)
If our strategy is going with this and hoping for best with 30+ games left to play then its beyond risky
It would be absolutely nuts.
I also worry, too, that we can't bring in any more loans, what with six days left in the window and perm moves taking longer to make happen. There's no room for quick fixes.
Although, I'm sure I read Sheffield United have got 3 on loan at the moment. McAtee, Brereton and some other player I don't recognise. It might have been wrong, but if correct there is something weird going on.
I could not disagree more on enough quality midfield players. Luiz is great but isn't a holding player and struggles there. McGinn goes missing further back. Tielemans too. All 3 are more 8s or wide 10s than 6s. We need another player with a bit of discipline to play that role.
I still think we're crazy not having a reserve right back too, and should Duran go, even with Rogers we're 1 light going forward. Emery likes a small squad but we've looked leggy last 2-3, and need a couple in.
Post by: Dave on January 25, 2024, 11:47:13 AM
Squad depth/quality is a serious issue imo
Our bench in our last league game
1) We didnt even name a full bench
2) Dendonker and Marschall subs - both gone
3) Leaves Zaniolo, Tielemens, Duran (prob off as well), Cash, Tim, Wright (gk)
(JJ, Pau and Digne only ones to add back in when fit)
If our strategy is going with this and hoping for best with 30+ games left to play then its beyond risky
It would be absolutely nuts.
I also worry, too, that we can't bring in any more loans, what with six days left in the window and perm moves taking longer to make happen. There's no room for quick fixes.
Although, I'm sure I read Sheffield United have got 3 on loan at the moment. McAtee, Brereton and some other player I don't recognise. It might have been wrong, but if correct there is something weird going on.
Yeah, a guy called Yasser Larouci. Bit odd, as you say.
Post by: brontebilly on January 25, 2024, 12:04:24 PM
We have no cover really for Martinez, Cash, Kamara, Luiz, McGinn or Watkins. Only Ramsey seems comfortable on the left too, that position has been a problem all season, McGinn isn't as effective there. It's going to be a tough ask to get near 70 points I fear.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 25, 2024, 12:05:48 PM
Squad depth/quality is a serious issue imo
Our bench in our last league game
1) We didnt even name a full bench
2) Dendonker and Marschall subs - both gone
3) Leaves Zaniolo, Tielemens, Duran (prob off as well), Cash, Tim, Wright (gk)
(JJ, Pau and Digne only ones to add back in when fit)
If our strategy is going with this and hoping for best with 30+ games left to play then its beyond risky
It would be absolutely nuts.
I also worry, too, that we can't bring in any more loans, what with six days left in the window and perm moves taking longer to make happen. There's no room for quick fixes.
We can bring in more loans
Post by: eamonn on January 25, 2024, 12:18:14 PM
Post by: AV82EC on January 25, 2024, 12:21:47 PM
Post by: Gareth on January 25, 2024, 12:26:21 PM
I think we could cut Zaniolo's loan early if it meant a decent loan in for a problem position (of which there are many). Bailey, Diaby and even McGinn can play in Zaniolo's favourite position coming in off the right.
We have no cover really for Martinez, Cash, Kamara, Luiz, McGinn or Watkins. Only Ramsey seems comfortable on the left too, that position has been a problem all season, McGinn isn't as effective there. It's going to be a tough ask to get near 70 points I fear.
Think we’d need Galatasaray to play ball or want Zaniolo back to terminate this month.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 25, 2024, 12:27:01 PM
"Never sing that" & all that.
When did they become a "project" too?
Post by: eamonn on January 25, 2024, 12:28:10 PM
Post by: Smithy on January 25, 2024, 12:44:02 PM
Squad depth/quality is a serious issue imo
Our bench in our last league game
1) We didnt even name a full bench
2) Dendonker and Marschall subs - both gone
3) Leaves Zaniolo, Tielemens, Duran (prob off as well), Cash, Tim, Wright (gk)
(JJ, Pau and Digne only ones to add back in when fit)
If our strategy is going with this and hoping for best with 30+ games left to play then its beyond risky
It would be absolutely nuts.
I also worry, too, that we can't bring in any more loans, what with six days left in the window and perm moves taking longer to make happen. There's no room for quick fixes.
Although, I'm sure I read Sheffield United have got 3 on loan at the moment. McAtee, Brereton and some other player I don't recognise. It might have been wrong, but if correct there is something weird going on.
Yeah, a guy called Yasser Larouci. Bit odd, as you say.
Technically, you can loan as many as you like, you just can't register more than two to play at any point in time. Maybe one of the loans goes back at the end at the end of the month?
Post by: Baldy on January 25, 2024, 12:44:18 PM
Look at Liverpool, they throw in lots of youngsters and still produce the goods. As yet, we don't know if some of our youngsters will turn out to be gems. Putting the art of risk and good management to the test.
No club can legislate for injuries and it is generally accepted that you if get more injuries than your fair share, you are generally fucked!!
Bottom line and relatively speaking, we have a great manager, good squad and with 'average' luck on the injury front and an improved discipline we are well capable of getting more than 70 points this season. Keeping our quality players this window will be enough to keep me happy.
Post by: Risso on January 25, 2024, 01:41:04 PM
This whole FFP thing - sorry, can't say 'P&S', makes me think of ferries or creepy old theatre directors or something, while 'FFP' makes me think, appropriately, of swearing - it's all just made me even more pissed off with Gerrard and the whole Gerrard phase. Squandering all that money, forcing the sale of academy players we might've wanted to keep while reselling his duds at big losses...fuck all of that honestly.
Yep. Gerrard was a colossal error.
He was, but not sure that signings were the worst bit of it. Kamara is brilliant and was free, and Digne has been good value and more than played his part in our improvement. The jury's out on Carlos but a year out with an injury will do that to anybody. The biggest hit to our current FFP in terms of value for money is Diaby unfortunately. Just under £20m a year in amortisation and salary, and playing like an absolute drain for weeks now. I hope he'll come good, but he's not looking like a £50m+ player at the moment.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 25, 2024, 01:44:45 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 25, 2024, 01:50:57 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 25, 2024, 01:53:28 PM
didn't kamara get a huge signing on fee
Even if he did, it wouldn't scratch the surface of the £30-40m it would have cost to buy him.
Post by: Risso on January 25, 2024, 01:53:39 PM
I'd imagine that paying up Gerrard and co's contracts hasn't helped either.
Nope, sacking two managers in 12 months is going to put a dent in the accounts, certainly. Possibly Purslow as well, as even though he "stepped down" I imagine it wasn't entirely mutual.
Post by: ozzjim on January 25, 2024, 01:58:50 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 25, 2024, 02:00:09 PM
He took Kellyman to USA and he looked good, Patterson has been on the bench a couple of times as has O'reilly
Tim is close but not getting any actual minutes
He seems to rather have an additional keeper or an empty space - i am not sure why
Post by: Smithy on January 25, 2024, 02:02:11 PM
This whole FFP thing - sorry, can't say 'P&S', makes me think of ferries or creepy old theatre directors or something, while 'FFP' makes me think, appropriately, of swearing - it's all just made me even more pissed off with Gerrard and the whole Gerrard phase. Squandering all that money, forcing the sale of academy players we might've wanted to keep while reselling his duds at big losses...fuck all of that honestly.
Yep. Gerrard was a colossal error.
He was, but not sure that signings were the worst bit of it. Kamara is brilliant and was free, and Digne has been good value and more than played his part in our improvement. The jury's out on Carlos but a year out with an injury will do that to anybody. The biggest hit to our current FFP in terms of value for money is Diaby unfortunately. Just under £20m a year in amortisation and salary, and playing like an absolute drain for weeks now. I hope he'll come good, but he's not looking like a £50m+ player at the moment.
This is the issue with playing at the top end of the table. Mistakes can get REALLY expensive. I'm not saying Diaby was a mistake, he's done better than Bailey did in his first six months, and Bailey is now firing on all cylinders, but the jury is definitely still out on Moussa.
Pretty much any team that has challenged for the top 4 more than once in the last decade has at least one, VERY expensive flop. Just off the top of my head; Spurs spent £60m on Ndombélé, Arsenal spent £70m on Pepe, Man Utd have LOADS over utter gash over £60m, Man City have Phillips, Chelsea also have LOADS of gash over £50m, Liverpool spent £50m in Keita.
The difference is that being at the top for a while means you can afford to make one or two expensive mistakes. We can't - yet. If we're spending £50m on a player, he has to be contributing regularly to our first team results.
Post by: Risso on January 25, 2024, 02:08:41 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 25, 2024, 02:13:38 PM
As much as i love SUE i do wonder why he does not try some of our more promising youngsters.
He took Kellyman to USA and he looked good, Patterson has been on the bench a couple of times as has O'reilly
Tim is close but not getting any actual minutes
He seems to rather have an additional keeper or an empty space - i am not sure why
I think he would have used Kellyman more if he hadn't got his injury.
He certainly seemed to have taken to him in particular out of all of the youngsters...
Post by: Richard on January 25, 2024, 02:15:08 PM
Post by: OCD on January 25, 2024, 02:28:38 PM
Re loans, I think the rules are that we can loan a maximum of 2 players from English clubs but not sure how many in addition we can also have from clubs abroad.
You can take on up 4 loans over a season but you can only have 2 registered at any one time.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2024, 02:30:26 PM
Agreed Smithy, there are always hits and misses. We've had superb value for money from the likes of McGinn, Mings, Konsa, Martinez and Watkins, but very little from the likes of Wesley, Samatta, Traore and Sanson. Torres looks a really great piece of business and is key to our way of playing now, Diaby much less so. Tielemans and Kamara on free transfers have both been excellent acquisitions, as was Young.
I wouldn’t jump to any conclusions on Diaby yet, clearly he’s struggling but he’s also shown great promise. Also you’d have had Torres out the door in September with a half a chance (winky thing)!
In all seriousness I think our hit rate of late is pretty good - part of the reason I’m open to the Rogers deal.
Post by: VillaTim on January 25, 2024, 02:35:52 PM
I'd imagine that paying up Gerrard and co's contracts hasn't helped either.we also paid Rangers compensation to get this clown and his team of helpers
Post by: Dave on January 25, 2024, 02:46:06 PM
Re loans, I think the rules are that we can loan a maximum of 2 players from English clubs but not sure how many in addition we can also have from clubs abroad.
You can take on up 4 loans over a season but you can only have 2 registered at any one time.
How do Sheffield United currently have all of Brereton Diaz, McAtee and Larouci then?
Post by: AV84 on January 25, 2024, 02:57:44 PM
Re loans, I think the rules are that we can loan a maximum of 2 players from English clubs but not sure how many in addition we can also have from clubs abroad.
You can take on up 4 loans over a season but you can only have 2 registered at any one time.
How do Sheffield United currently have all of Brereton Diaz, McAtee and Larouci then?
This is in article from December about Sheffield Utd being set to look at loan options for the January window
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The Blades cannot complete any more temporary deals within England having already brought James McAtee and Luke Thomas in on loan during the summer window.
I think they cancelled Luke Thomas' loan in this window, but does that imply the rules are about English to English clubs?
Post by: Dave on January 25, 2024, 03:03:58 PM
AV84 is correct, the 2/4 rule only applies to loans between Premier League and other English clubs. It doesn't apply to loans from overseas, so we can get more if we wanted. The PL rules state that players from overseas clubs are not subject to the relevant rules. For some reason it won't let me copy and paste the relevant bit.
edit: as mentioned in this article. https://sqaf.club/premier-league-loan-rules/ (https://sqaf.club/premier-league-loan-rules/)
Post by: ozzjim on January 25, 2024, 03:11:45 PM
Seems Duran is going nowhere as he's injured anyway.
Kesler Hayden and Tim both seen as players in the first team squad according to Emery today
Post by: chrisw1 on January 25, 2024, 03:14:58 PM
I'd honestly be delighted with 5th if offered it now.
Post by: aev on January 25, 2024, 03:17:10 PM
It has been very underwhelming since then.
Post by: ozzjim on January 25, 2024, 03:18:20 PM
We've always had a thin squad but it's looking frightening now.
I'd honestly be delighted with 5th if offered it now.
Torres not even in training is the most worrying one, he's so bloody vital to the way we set up
Post by: curiousorange on January 25, 2024, 03:18:23 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on January 25, 2024, 03:27:47 PM
- Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time.
- The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time.
- Premier League clubs cannot loan to another Premier League club a player they have acquired in the same transfer window.
- A Premier League club may loan not more than one of its goalkeepers to another Premier League club.
https://www.premierleague.com/news/464747 (https://www.premierleague.com/news/464747)
Post by: brontebilly on January 25, 2024, 03:31:19 PM
Diaby looks like a player that needs one to go in off his arse to get a bit of confidence.
He scored in our last home game! Confidence and form not near his best but the main issue is tactical for me (Bailey/Diaby).
Post by: Dave on January 25, 2024, 03:48:25 PM
From the Premier League handbook;With the exception of Welsh clubs competing in the competitions listed under Rule V.6.2, loans from a club in membership of another National Association do not count towards the above quotas.
- Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time.
- The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time.
- Premier League clubs cannot loan to another Premier League club a player they have acquired in the same transfer window.
- A Premier League club may loan not more than one of its goalkeepers to another Premier League club.
https://www.premierleague.com/news/464747 (https://www.premierleague.com/news/464747)
Yup. So given our only two loans are from abroad, we can presumably still loan anything up to another five (the FIFA rule is no more than seven this season) of which two can be domestic.
Which seems like (a) a lot and (b) something that you'd expect teams to be making greater use of.
Post by: Risso on January 25, 2024, 03:57:11 PM
Diaby looks like a player that needs one to go in off his arse to get a bit of confidence.
He scored in our last home game! Confidence and form not near his best but the main issue is tactical for me (Bailey/Diaby).
Three of his four league goals have come against Burnley and Luton, he needs to be doing so much more. He started off really well but since October he's been fairly poor, and has been dropped at times.
Post by: VillaTim on January 25, 2024, 03:58:06 PM
jesus almost a month since we played at B6 !!Diaby looks like a player that needs one to go in off his arse to get a bit of confidence.
He scored in our last home game! Confidence and form not near his best but the main issue is tactical for me (Bailey/Diaby).
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2024, 04:05:19 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 25, 2024, 04:08:24 PM
Yup. So given our only two loans are from abroad, we can presumably still loan anything up to another five (the FIFA rule is no more than seven this season) of which two can be domestic.
Which seems like (a) a lot and (b) something that you'd expect teams to be making greater use of.
I suppose the problem there is identifying players who'd be available on loan who'd actually improve us. Loan players are usually young and loaned out to lower levels to gain experience, or experienced players who gave dropped down the pecking order and/or are having issues with their manager/team.
Post by: VillaTim on January 25, 2024, 04:10:21 PM
I worry about our squad, we’ve got key injuries - Pau being the obvious one - and we’re in such a great position. It’ll be a real shame if we’re lamenting a missed opportunity because we didn’t do more.FFP is stopping us spending i suspect
Post by: Gareth on January 25, 2024, 06:24:09 PM
I worry about our squad, we’ve got key injuries - Pau being the obvious one - and we’re in such a great position. It’ll be a real shame if we’re lamenting a missed opportunity because we didn’t do more.
Think it’s more couldn’t than didn’t
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 25, 2024, 06:29:59 PM
I worry about our squad, we’ve got key injuries - Pau being the obvious one - and we’re in such a great position. It’ll be a real shame if we’re lamenting a missed opportunity because we didn’t do more.
Think it’s more couldn’t than didn’t
Its obvious that we can't do more.
It doesn't look like anybody else is either!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 25, 2024, 06:42:27 PM
Post by: Gareth on January 25, 2024, 06:43:08 PM
Seems we are going for the young prospects, all good with me
Though…he better be better than that diving idiot Cantwell who was raved about a few years back :-)
Post by: paul_e on January 25, 2024, 06:45:36 PM
Percy linking us with Jon Rowe of Norwich. https://twitter.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/1750589133658165449
Good player, probably not quite ready for the top end of the league but if our plan is to look at younger players who can grow into the club over the next season or 2 he'd be up there on the list. That said I prefer Philogene for the same role.
Post by: brontebilly on January 25, 2024, 06:46:17 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 25, 2024, 06:58:15 PM
John Percy says we have strong interest in Jonathan Rowe from Norwich…another that gets lauded most weeks on Sky Soccer Saturday.
Seems we are going for the young prospects, all good with me
Though…he better be better than that diving idiot Cantwell who was raved about a few years back :-)
Looking at his Twitter timeline, he's really fond of his imaginary friend.
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 25, 2024, 07:08:26 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 25, 2024, 07:26:55 PM
we should go for Juninho
only if we cant get McCarthy
Post by: OCD on January 25, 2024, 08:08:47 PM
Post by: Risso on January 25, 2024, 08:13:01 PM
Post by: curiousorange on January 25, 2024, 08:58:56 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 25, 2024, 09:07:10 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 25, 2024, 09:07:34 PM
Percy linking us with Jon Rowe of Norwich. https://twitter.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/1750589133658165449
Good player.
All depends on the price tbh.
Cant imagine Norwich would sell him for cheap though.
He's no better than Philogene-Bidace, in my opinion.
Rowe has a goal involvement once every three games, with Philogene-Bidace a goal involvement nearly once every game.
Admittedly, Philogene-Bidace has played half the amount of games as Rowe though.
Personally, I would rather see Philogene-Bidace back over both Rogers or Rowe.
Post by: AV84 on January 25, 2024, 09:15:47 PM
Also, apparently Wolves had a 15mil bid turned down at the end of the summer window.
Post by: paul_e on January 25, 2024, 09:33:52 PM
Percy linking us with Jon Rowe of Norwich. https://twitter.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/1750589133658165449
Good player.
All depends on the price tbh.
Cant imagine Norwich would sell him for cheap though.
He's no better than Philogene-Bidace, in my opinion.
Rowe has a goal involvement once every three games, with Philogene-Bidace a goal involvement nearly once every game.
Admittedly, Philogene-Bidace has played half the amount of games as Rowe though.
Personally, I would rather see Philogene-Bidace back over both Rogers or Rowe.
I think Rogers is a very different player to Philogene and wouldn't be competing with him despite them having played in the same position recently. Rowe is more of a direct comparison and I agree with you there.
For Rogers I suspect they're looking at him developing in a similar way to Watkins and becoming more of a centre forward over the next year or 2.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2024, 09:37:15 PM
Post by: ROBBO on January 26, 2024, 12:42:36 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 26, 2024, 01:07:24 AM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 26, 2024, 08:20:30 AM
How would it sit for FFP purposes if we were to take the risk and sign a player or two to strengthen the first team with the aim of securing a top 4/5 finish. If we did, then had the extra income from Champs League would that cover it?
Post by: dekko on January 26, 2024, 08:25:05 AM
So we can’t really sign anyone because of our FFP situation despite being 4th in the league with, arguably, our best chance of champions league football for yonks?
How would it sit for FFP purposes if we were to take the risk and sign a player or two to strengthen the first team with the aim of securing a top 4/5 finish. If we did, then had the extra income from Champs League would that cover it?
We could do that, yeah.
But miss out and we're getting points deductions etc etc
Post by: chrisw1 on January 26, 2024, 08:33:59 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 26, 2024, 08:39:04 AM
He pushed for a move by all accounts, hard to manage that situation when he wouldn't have been promised starts like he wanted.I'm sure we could have kept him with some reassurances, but I guess with Zaniolo and Ramsey to come back (was Buendia injured at that point?) Emery probably thought he wouldn't be able to give him much game time. It's a shame as it seems he would have been very useful and we look like we're going to spend £12m on a player who on the face of it doesn't seem to be as good.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 26, 2024, 08:54:37 AM
So we can’t really sign anyone because of our FFP situation despite being 4th in the league with, arguably, our best chance of champions league football for yonks?
How would it sit for FFP purposes if we were to take the risk and sign a player or two to strengthen the first team with the aim of securing a top 4/5 finish. If we did, then had the extra income from Champs League would that cover it?
We could do that, yeah.
But miss out and we're getting points deductions etc etc
Points deduction or would we potentially have to sell a valuable asset to cover the difference? Just playing devils advocate, some of our bigger players might want to leave for champions league football anyway if we don’t get there this season.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 26, 2024, 08:54:37 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 26, 2024, 09:06:41 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 26, 2024, 09:29:49 AM
So we can’t really sign anyone because of our FFP situation despite being 4th in the league with, arguably, our best chance of champions league football for yonks?
How would it sit for FFP purposes if we were to take the risk and sign a player or two to strengthen the first team with the aim of securing a top 4/5 finish. If we did, then had the extra income from Champs League would that cover it?
Come on now, we don't want any upstart clubs getting ideas and start replacing the 'big six'. It's just not good for business.
Post by: VillaTim on January 26, 2024, 09:33:29 AM
I think that might be the case and i'd have no issue with a couple of big sales and Emery reshaping things as he sees fitSo we can’t really sign anyone because of our FFP situation despite being 4th in the league with, arguably, our best chance of champions league football for yonks?
How would it sit for FFP purposes if we were to take the risk and sign a player or two to strengthen the first team with the aim of securing a top 4/5 finish. If we did, then had the extra income from Champs League would that cover it?
We could do that, yeah.
But miss out and we're getting points deductions etc etc
Points deduction or would we potentially have to sell a valuable asset to cover the difference? Just playing devils advocate, some of our bigger players might want to leave for champions league football anyway if we don’t get there this season.
Post by: dekko on January 26, 2024, 09:37:26 AM
So we can’t really sign anyone because of our FFP situation despite being 4th in the league with, arguably, our best chance of champions league football for yonks?
How would it sit for FFP purposes if we were to take the risk and sign a player or two to strengthen the first team with the aim of securing a top 4/5 finish. If we did, then had the extra income from Champs League would that cover it?
We could do that, yeah.
But miss out and we're getting points deductions etc etc
Points deduction or would we potentially have to sell a valuable asset to cover the difference? Just playing devils advocate, some of our bigger players might want to leave for champions league football anyway if we don’t get there this season.
Yeah I guess we could sell assets to cover the difference.
Problem you'll have there is that the PSR accounting deadline is in the middle of the window - the buying teams knowing you've gotta sell before a certain point would drive the prices down. I don't think Forest will get away with their shenanigans with selling Johnson later in the window to maximise value even though they knew it would put them over the PSR limits.
Probably better off doing what it looks like the club is doing now and not running the risk - if we miss out we'll be able to extract maximum value from players and wont be drawn into a fire sale.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 26, 2024, 09:59:19 AM
We still need to balance the books by June whether we qualify for the CL or not, so any overspend this window would just leave us in Forest's position of having to have a fire sale to get money in by end of June or deliberately breaching FFP. In short, it would be idiotic to spend above our FFP threshold this window, whatever that may be.
Post by: brontebilly on January 26, 2024, 10:15:42 AM
Same could happen us, qualify for CL this season. But soon after having to sell a Kamara, Luiz or Ramsey. I get that clubs need to increase their revenues but there should be provision for results on the pitch too.
Post by: Smithy on January 26, 2024, 10:19:01 AM
The "traditional top 6" (bleugh) aren't earning what they do because of the Champions League revenue; they're earning it because they've built commercial behemoths around their on-field success. Man Utd aren't in the Champions League next season, but I bet the hit that has on their overall income will be in the 5- 10% range, max.
We need to get somewhere close to that. It'll take time, and as much as I want the club to sign new players, I also don't want them risking our FFP stability until we can get there. Newcastle gambled a bit, and now at the first sign that they're not going to be in the Champions League next season, they're having to sell off England internationals to balance the books.
Post by: Drummond on January 26, 2024, 10:24:10 AM
Champs League gets us far better sponsor opportunities too.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 26, 2024, 10:43:04 AM
He pushed for a move by all accounts, hard to manage that situation when he wouldn't have been promised starts like he wanted.
But sadly, with Ramsey injured for most of the season, he would have played for most of the season.
And probably made the position his own...
Post by: Baldy on January 26, 2024, 10:51:39 AM
Make a verbal agreement to purchase a player and then renege at a later date. Contrive not to buy any player from a certain club and bugger them up financially etc
Instead of fully focusing on gaining points in the league, some clubs might be thinking their opponents getting an FFP deduction is equally as important.
Wouldn't be beyond the Levy's, Glazers, oil rich clubs of this world!!!!
Just a thought
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 26, 2024, 11:57:48 AM
I could see Philogene coming back. Emery seemed to really like him in the summer but let him go out because he couldn't guarantee the gametime. I know there's the clause Hull have talked about but I suspect there's more to it and he'll be back either this summer or next, so long as we still want him.
I think he is really good. Id love him back. out the 3 I would want him.
Post by: OCD on January 26, 2024, 12:35:49 PM
The way it is going, FFP may become a tactic/strategy against other clubs.
Make a verbal agreement to purchase a player and then renege at a later date. Contrive not to buy any player from a certain club and bugger them up financially etc
Instead of fully focusing on gaining points in the league, some clubs might be thinking their opponents getting an FFP deduction is equally as important.
Wouldn't be beyond the Levy's, Glazers, oil rich clubs of this world!!!!
Just a thought
1) That's not a strategy that will be easy to repeat and 2) if club's are guillable enough to take action on the basis of a verbal agreement then they deserve what they get.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 26, 2024, 01:09:16 PM
I am off to Zimbabwe / South Africa for a couple of weeks tomorrow and am unlikely to have much internet access, hopefully, I come back to a surprise signing or two.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 26, 2024, 01:11:43 PM
am off to Zimbabwe / South Africa for a couple of weeks tomorrow and am unlikely to have much internet access, hopefully, I come back to a surprise signing or two.
Don't forget to pack a Villa shirt in case it's Benni McCarthy.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 26, 2024, 01:17:26 PM
am off to Zimbabwe / South Africa for a couple of weeks tomorrow and am unlikely to have much internet access, hopefully, I come back to a surprise signing or two.
Don't forget to pack a Villa shirt in case it's Benni McCarthy.
We have not had much luck with African signings. I remember getting excited about Nii Lampty when BFR called him the 'African Pele', only to be disappointed.
Djemba Djemba, Salifou, Samatta, Nakamba. It isn't a great list is it? Must be due a Drogba or a Weah at some point. Don't think Zimbabwean tobacco farms are the best place to scout players though.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2024, 01:30:26 PM
Post by: MalcolmP on January 26, 2024, 01:42:43 PM
If Philogene ever gets above the level of mid-table premier league, at best, I’ll be surprised. He looks alright, and good luck to him, but don’t think he looks like a top level game changer.i'm glad you are not our scout, given the opportunity i think he is a top level player
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2024, 02:20:52 PM
If Philogene ever gets above the level of mid-table premier league, at best, I’ll be surprised. He looks alright, and good luck to him, but don’t think he looks like a top level game changer.i'm glad you are not our scout, given the opportunity i think he is a top level player
We’ll see won’t we, and if he is great, but the odds are against it.
Post by: eamonn on January 26, 2024, 03:21:44 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 26, 2024, 03:26:18 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on January 26, 2024, 03:27:35 PM
It's a pity we can't recall Sanson. He'd get decent game-time now and he's in-form.
I think we'd struggle to get him back regardless.
“It was complicated because I was injured nine to ten months out of my first twelve months there,” he said.
“I had a series of injuries and I had Covid twice. Nothing worked out for me. I made the decision to leave when Unai Emery arrived, even though he would have liked to keep me.
“I told him that me and Aston Villa were over. Something there was wrong.
“I was sure of myself and my qualities but certain things went very badly with a coach at Aston Villa, it was a bit unfair. The problem is that it was Steven Gerrard who arrived instead of Unai Emery.”
Post by: Smithy on January 26, 2024, 03:31:38 PM
If Philogene ever gets above the level of mid-table premier league, at best, I’ll be surprised. He looks alright, and good luck to him, but don’t think he looks like a top level game changer.
In his first six months at Hull, he's performing about as well as Eberechi Eze did for QPR in the Championship at the same age. Similarly tricky, eye for a goal, creates chances and is a bit unpredictable - and also prone to having pretty quiet games that comes with the territory with young players. He's very well thought of in Championship circles, and is often mentioned when people talk about the best signing of the season down there.
If he has Eze's ceiling, then he'll definitely be back at some point. It might not be this season, but if he keeps on like he is, he will be subject to premier league transfer speculation in the summer, guaranteed.
Post by: eamonn on January 26, 2024, 03:42:20 PM
It's a pity we can't recall Sanson. He'd get decent game-time now and he's in-form.
I think we'd struggle to get him back regardless.
“It was complicated because I was injured nine to ten months out of my first twelve months there,” he said.
“I had a series of injuries and I had Covid twice. Nothing worked out for me. I made the decision to leave when Unai Emery arrived, even though he would have liked to keep me.
“I told him that me and Aston Villa were over. Something there was wrong.
“I was sure of myself and my qualities but certain things went very badly with a coach at Aston Villa, it was a bit unfair. The problem is that it was Steven Gerrard who arrived instead of Unai Emery.”
Blimey...where are those quotes from? Never seen him be so vocal about the situation. A real shame he didn't see Unai coming in as a chance to thrive.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 26, 2024, 03:44:22 PM
Post by: Gareth on January 26, 2024, 03:55:44 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 26, 2024, 04:23:16 PM
I keep telling myself that we are in a great position, but it still feels deep down like a bubble burst a bit at that Sheffield United game and it's all been a bit deflated since.
We haven't hit the heights since the the Man City game but dropping points to Sheff Utd was more down to pathetic refereeing and VAR than anything else. There's no reason to think we can't kick on again. Playing McGinn in his best position will obviously help.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 26, 2024, 04:46:17 PM
It's a pity we can't recall Sanson. He'd get decent game-time now and he's in-form.
I think we'd struggle to get him back regardless.
“It was complicated because I was injured nine to ten months out of my first twelve months there,” he said.
“I had a series of injuries and I had Covid twice. Nothing worked out for me. I made the decision to leave when Unai Emery arrived, even though he would have liked to keep me.
“I told him that me and Aston Villa were over. Something there was wrong.
“I was sure of myself and my qualities but certain things went very badly with a coach at Aston Villa, it was a bit unfair. The problem is that it was Steven Gerrard who arrived instead of Unai Emery.”
Blimey...where are those quotes from? Never seen him be so vocal about the situation. A real shame he didn't see Unai coming in as a chance to thrive.
Sound like he just decided Villa were a jinx for him in the end.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 26, 2024, 04:49:55 PM
I keep telling myself that we are in a great position, but it still feels deep down like a bubble burst a bit at that Sheffield United game and it's all been a bit deflated since.
We haven't hit the heights since the the Man City game but dropping points to Sheff Utd was more down to pathetic refereeing and VAR than anything else. There's no reason to think we can't kick on again. Playing McGinn in his best position will obviously help.
I honestly think we are missing Pau more. It is noticeable that since his injury we have been off pace with turning defence into attack or breaking down teams. Especially with Luiz also being off with his passing for several games. Pau plays against Sheffield United and we move the ball faster meaning they don't setup their bus as fast.
Post by: Gareth on January 26, 2024, 04:52:30 PM
I keep telling myself that we are in a great position, but it still feels deep down like a bubble burst a bit at that Sheffield United game and it's all been a bit deflated since.
We haven't hit the heights since the the Man City game but dropping points to Sheff Utd was more down to pathetic refereeing and VAR than anything else. There's no reason to think we can't kick on again. Playing McGinn in his best position will obviously help.
I honestly think we are missing Pau more. It is noticeable that since his injury we have been off pace with turning defence into attack or breaking down teams. Especially with Luiz also being off with his passing for several games. Pau plays against Sheffield United and we move the ball faster meaning they don't setup their bus as fast.
I agree, Lenglet is not as good as Pau, Carlos definitely isn’t anything like as good as Konsa, Konsa is wasted instead of Cash and Moreno hasn’t been as good Digne was first half of season.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 26, 2024, 04:56:52 PM
If Philogene ever gets above the level of mid-table premier league, at best, I’ll be surprised. He looks alright, and good luck to him, but don’t think he looks like a top level game changer.i'm glad you are not our scout, given the opportunity i think he is a top level player
agree with you
some Hull supporter I saw said Bowen was nowhere near as good as Jaden . I know its one fan but shows how hes rated
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2024, 05:03:24 PM
Post by: Mister E on January 26, 2024, 05:05:56 PM
Well if he is much better than Bowen he’s some player and I’ve obviously missed something.... and we should be trying to get him back asap. If ...
Post by: tomd2103 on January 26, 2024, 05:21:31 PM
I keep telling myself that we are in a great position, but it still feels deep down like a bubble burst a bit at that Sheffield United game and it's all been a bit deflated since.
We haven't hit the heights since the the Man City game but dropping points to Sheff Utd was more down to pathetic refereeing and VAR than anything else. There's no reason to think we can't kick on again. Playing McGinn in his best position will obviously help. If the reality is that we can't make significant additions to the squad because of FFP then so be it.
I.know and maybe I just let myself get carried away a bit. The thought of leaving Villa Park that Friday night top of the league and maybe in serious contention was a great one, so I suppose it was natural to feel a bit deflated.
It just felt at thst point that everything was moving in a forward direction. Since then though, performances have been a bit indifferent (though results have been OK), Chris Heck has created a bit of uncertainty with some poorly handled interventions, key players can't seem to shake off niggling injuries and it looks like we are going to be hampered in bringing on any quality new signings that could have helped us maintain our push at the top end of the table.
Suppose that's what the heart says. Head says that we are still in a very good position which everyone would have taken at this stage of the season. If we can maintain the kind of form we have achieved under Unai Emery so far for the rest of the season then we should be right in the mix.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 26, 2024, 05:27:10 PM
I keep telling myself that we are in a great position, but it still feels deep down like a bubble burst a bit at that Sheffield United game and it's all been a bit deflated since.
It does feel a bit like that. Actually though, since then we have won two, drawn one and lost one. Win tonight, and things will feel different going into next Tuesday's game which, being at home, we should win as well.
Post by: London Villan on January 26, 2024, 06:00:48 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 26, 2024, 06:00:56 PM
Well if he is much better than Bowen he’s some player and I’ve obviously missed something.
Me too. Bowen is doing it in the PL and has done for a good while.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 26, 2024, 06:04:54 PM
Well if he is much better than Bowen he’s some player and I’ve obviously missed something.
Me too. Bowen is doing it in the PL and has done for a good while.
Clearly he isn't, rather like me saying SJM is a better player than De Bruyne.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 26, 2024, 06:12:16 PM
Well if he is much better than Bowen he’s some player and I’ve obviously missed something.
Me too. Bowen is doing it in the PL and has done for a good while.
Clearly he isn't, rather like me saying SJM is a better player than De Bruyne.
I assume they meant in comparison to Bowen when he was at Hull, rather than Bowen now.
I have had a team of electricians from Hull fitting out the lighting in my glasshouse for the last couple of weeks. Two of them support Hull (the rest all support Leeds). They reckon he is as good a player as they have had in years, and better than Bowen was before he signed for West Ham.
I’d be happy to take him back next season, but fully understand why we sold him. Similar to when Cahill went to Bolton to get game time.
Post by: brontebilly on January 26, 2024, 06:13:10 PM
I keep telling myself that we are in a great position, but it still feels deep down like a bubble burst a bit at that Sheffield United game and it's all been a bit deflated since.
We haven't hit the heights since the the Man City game but dropping points to Sheff Utd was more down to pathetic refereeing and VAR than anything else. There's no reason to think we can't kick on again. Playing McGinn in his best position will obviously help.
I honestly think we are missing Pau more. It is noticeable that since his injury we have been off pace with turning defence into attack or breaking down teams. Especially with Luiz also being off with his passing for several games. Pau plays against Sheffield United and we move the ball faster meaning they don't setup their bus as fast.
I agree, Lenglet is not as good as Pau, Carlos definitely isn’t anything like as good as Konsa, Konsa is wasted instead of Cash and Moreno hasn’t been as good Digne was first half of season.
Thought Moreno had a good game at Everton. Huge impact off bench against Brentford too. Mixed enough in between. Different kind of test tonight against Sterling most likely but I think at his best he offers a lot more than Digne.
Konsa at RB is on Emery and has worked well in only one game, Man City.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 26, 2024, 06:20:49 PM
I keep telling myself that we are in a great position, but it still feels deep down like a bubble burst a bit at that Sheffield United game and it's all been a bit deflated since.
We haven't hit the heights since the the Man City game but dropping points to Sheff Utd was more down to pathetic refereeing and VAR than anything else. There's no reason to think we can't kick on again. Playing McGinn in his best position will obviously help.
I honestly think we are missing Pau more. It is noticeable that since his injury we have been off pace with turning defence into attack or breaking down teams. Especially with Luiz also being off with his passing for several games. Pau plays against Sheffield United and we move the ball faster meaning they don't setup their bus as fast.
True but if there was one area that I believe has brought us success, more than any other thus far it has been our midfield. They're such a joy to watch when on form though as Gareth points out our defence has been chopped and changed these last two months. Pau (and at times Konsa) certainly allows our midfield to sit higher up the pitch and avoids us watching Dougie and SJM coming deep to pick up the ball. Neither have looked as effective as we know they should be. The Pau factor and team selection have both played an impact recently.
Ask me again at 10pm.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 27, 2024, 02:37:49 AM
Well if he is much better than Bowen he’s some player and I’ve obviously missed something.
Me too. Bowen is doing it in the PL and has done for a good while.
Clearly he isn't, rather like me saying SJM is a better player than De Bruyne.
I assume they meant in comparison to Bowen when he was at Hull, rather than Bowen now.
I have had a team of electricians from Hull fitting out the lighting in my glasshouse for the last couple of weeks. Two of them support Hull (the rest all support Leeds). They reckon he is as good a player as they have had in years, and better than Bowen was before he signed for West Ham.
I’d be happy to take him back next season, but fully understand why we sold him. Similar to when Cahill went to Bolton to get game time.
exactly and the Hull suporter did say Bowen would play for England when he was at Hull
Post by: paul_e on January 27, 2024, 09:07:39 AM
Post by: VillaTim on January 27, 2024, 09:16:04 AM
I think the sheff u and man u games were a turning point. We should have won both and if we had we’d still be top. Thats when we blew the title challenge…kind of agree, we really choked v Sheff Utd not halped by some terrible refereeing but overall we were poor that night
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 27, 2024, 09:23:22 AM
I think the sheff u and man u games were a turning point. We should have won both and if we had we’d still be top. Thats when we blew the title challenge…kind of agree, we really choked v Sheff Utd not halped by some terrible refereeing but overall we were poor that night
"Blew the title challenge"
Erm, OK then.
Post by: Ads on January 27, 2024, 09:31:11 AM
I think the sheff u and man u games were a turning point. We should have won both and if we had we’d still be top. Thats when we blew the title challenge…kind of agree, we really choked v Sheff Utd not halped by some terrible refereeing but overall we were poor that night
"Blew the title challenge"
Erm, OK then.
We've lost 2 games since September.
Title challenge blown, Christmas ruined, kids in tears.
Post by: VillaTim on January 27, 2024, 09:50:50 AM
Something needs to be done with Diaby he’s clearly not happy at the moment and his performances are direFor the money spent he's been awful , looks very lightweight , can't retain possession , just a speed merchant really and we don't use his speed . Tough one now as he's cost so much money
It’s quite sad to watch him struggle away and I don’t think giving him full matches when he is playing so badly is doing him any good at the moment
I get the feeling it might be a head thing rather than a feet thing but he’s a waste of a player on the pitch right now he really is struggling badly
Post by: TelfordVilla on January 27, 2024, 10:17:02 AM
Post by: andyh on January 27, 2024, 10:47:32 AM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 27, 2024, 10:51:51 AM
Has anybody actually signed anybody in this transfer window ?
Spurs have signed a centre half, can’t think of anyone else.
Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2024, 11:26:18 AM
Has anybody actually signed anybody in this transfer window ?
Spurs have signed a centre half, can’t think of anyone else.
And Teeemo.
Post by: Clampy on January 27, 2024, 11:36:07 AM
Post by: Risso on January 27, 2024, 11:40:38 AM
All the same things were said about Emi Buendia. Paying top dollar doesn't guarantee anything. Their ability does shine through but sometimes you have to be patient, like with Bailey
We can't and shouldn't have to wait for three years for every top signing to come good. Bailey at least had the excuse of having two years under Smith and Gerrard.
Post by: Ian. on January 27, 2024, 11:42:13 AM
Has anybody actually signed anybody in this transfer window ?
Spurs have signed a centre half, can’t think of anyone else.
And Teeemo.
West Ham have signed Kalvin Phillips.
Post by: VillaTim on January 27, 2024, 12:10:28 PM
Has anybody actually signed anybody in this transfer window ?B Munich signed a donkey
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 27, 2024, 01:39:26 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 27, 2024, 01:49:00 PM
The biggest victims of the shit transfer window are Sky Sports. Clearly Jim White as the writing on the wall and got out+ Dan Bardeall and his transfer show
Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2024, 01:49:10 PM
Has anybody actually signed anybody in this transfer window ?B Munich signed a donkey
Dier? Born as a pantomime horse. The back-end of one.
Post by: AV84 on January 27, 2024, 03:36:31 PM
Has anybody actually signed anybody in this transfer window ?
Bournemouth or Brentford signed that young Icelandic keeper we were briefly linked with.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 27, 2024, 03:40:29 PM
Post by: Dave on January 27, 2024, 03:58:44 PM
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 27, 2024, 06:08:37 PM
Something needs to be done with Diaby he’s clearly not happy at the moment and his performances are direFor the money spent he's been awful , looks very lightweight , can't retain possession , just a speed merchant really and we don't use his speed . Tough one now as he's cost so much money
It’s quite sad to watch him struggle away and I don’t think giving him full matches when he is playing so badly is doing him any good at the moment
I get the feeling it might be a head thing rather than a feet thing but he’s a waste of a player on the pitch right now he really is struggling badly
Bit harsh. At the beginning of the season he was brilliant and looked a class above the majority of our players. Pundits raving about him etc. he’s been in a proper rut for 2-3 months now but I don’t believe what we’re seeing now is his status quo.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 27, 2024, 06:25:05 PM
Post by: Risso on January 27, 2024, 06:39:10 PM
I know Diaby is struggling at the moment, but 4 goals and 4 assists in 21 league appearances doesn't suggest 'awful' to me.
He started off OK but has been rubbish for weeks.
Post by: Beard82 on January 27, 2024, 06:44:28 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 27, 2024, 07:14:41 PM
I know Diaby is struggling at the moment, but 4 goals and 4 assists in 21 league appearances doesn't suggest 'awful' to me.
He started off OK but has been rubbish for weeks.
We can probably get away with one forward misfiring but when we have two you really notice it. Watkins could do with a goal or two on Tuesday. Diaby? I really don't know what to think of him. It's certainly not lack of effort.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 27, 2024, 07:16:49 PM
It was painful watching him last night.I know Diaby is struggling at the moment, but 4 goals and 4 assists in 21 league appearances doesn't suggest 'awful' to me.
He started off OK but has been rubbish for weeks.
He is obviously not right, I feel sorry for him. Emery is obviously trying to play him in to form. Not working right now though.
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 27, 2024, 07:21:28 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 27, 2024, 10:42:55 PM
The positive thing is that we already have empirical evidence that he's capable of better, so it's worth persevering.I haven’t seen much evidence of this and not enough to justify his fee.
Post by: Dave on January 27, 2024, 10:50:26 PM
The positive thing is that we already have empirical evidence that he's capable of better, so it's worth persevering.I haven’t seen much of this evidence of this and not enough to justify his fee.
You've not seen evidence of him playing better for us than he is at the moment?
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 27, 2024, 10:54:40 PM
Mis read the post.The positive thing is that we already have empirical evidence that he's capable of better, so it's worth persevering.I haven’t seen much of this evidence of this and not enough to justify his fee.
You've not seen evidence of him playing better for us than he is at the moment?
But I don’t think he has played brilliantly for us.
Post by: VillaTim on January 27, 2024, 11:00:54 PM
I know Diaby is struggling at the moment, but 4 goals and 4 assists in 21 league appearances doesn't suggest 'awful' to me.scored on the opening day his others 2 v Burnley 1 v Luton. It's hardly record signing inspiring. He just doesn't fit how we play and his control , strength, application, all seem very very average
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 27, 2024, 11:10:48 PM
I know Diaby is struggling at the moment, but 4 goals and 4 assists in 21 league appearances doesn't suggest 'awful' to me.scored on the opening day his others 2 v Burnley 1 v Luton. It's hardly record signing inspiring. He just doesn't fit how we play and his control , strength, application, all seem very very average
Yeah,
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 27, 2024, 11:40:11 PM
Mis read the post.The positive thing is that we already have empirical evidence that he's capable of better, so it's worth persevering.I haven’t seen much of this evidence of this and not enough to justify his fee.
You've not seen evidence of him playing better for us than he is at the moment?
But I don’t think he has played brilliantly for us.
Dave, come on. Don't mis read posts. You're dealing with a master of linguistics here.
Post by: john e on January 27, 2024, 11:45:56 PM
I know Diaby is struggling at the moment, but 4 goals and 4 assists in 21 league appearances doesn't suggest 'awful' to me.scored on the opening day his others 2 v Burnley 1 v Luton. It's hardly record signing inspiring. He just doesn't fit how we play and his control , strength, application, all seem very very average
Yeah,CoopsTim, I know that, I was disputing the use of the word "awful" which is a few degrees below "very average".
Is VillaTim previously Coopers injury then ?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 27, 2024, 11:46:27 PM
Post by: john e on January 27, 2024, 11:47:10 PM
It seems likely.
Ok fair enough
Post by: steamer on January 28, 2024, 05:29:48 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on January 28, 2024, 07:18:59 AM
What happened to Flinstone, He disappeared around the time Tim started posting
Coopers Injury SilhillVilla Flinston and now Tim
Like a bad OnlyConnect round
Post by: Villafirst on January 28, 2024, 07:30:36 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 28, 2024, 08:04:30 AM
I know Diaby is struggling at the moment, but 4 goals and 4 assists in 21 league appearances doesn't suggest 'awful' to me.
He started off OK but has been rubbish for weeks.
We can probably get away with one forward misfiring but when we have two you really notice it. Watkins could do with a goal or two on Tuesday. Diaby? I really don't know what to think of him. It's certainly not lack of effort.
I agree with this, I like Watkins as you know, but he was anonymous until the last 20 on Friday, someone made the point earlier in the thread, that the service to improve in that period, maybe? But i did think however much Diaby struggled, he put a really big shift in and was pretty much dead on his feet at the end. There is a top player in their and we’ve seen glimpses, I’m pretty convinced from those glimpses that he’ll do well for us, far more than I was convinced about Bailey, who has turned it round brilliantly.
Post by: Clampy on January 28, 2024, 08:19:40 AM
Post by: Richard E on January 28, 2024, 08:43:37 AM
What happened to Flinstone, He disappeared around the time Tim started posting
Coopers Injury SilhillVilla Flinston and now Tim
Like a bad OnlyConnect round
Or a Billy Joel lyric.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 28, 2024, 08:47:40 AM
Post by: Ian. on January 28, 2024, 09:11:21 AM
Diaby has been ok. Not brilliant but not awful either. We'll see a better version of him next season I think.He looked the next level during August and September, a real game changing signing, so he’s definitely got it and no way I would give up on him. I agree he will be far more consistent next year but I have a feeling he’s going to click again soon.
Post by: Risso on January 28, 2024, 09:20:50 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 28, 2024, 09:31:46 AM
Based on what though Ian? He's shown no improvement for weeks/months, and if anything his performances are getting worse and he's having less impact in games. He looks totally lost, and very unhappy.So Risso are you writing him off completely? I think recent history shows us that we shouldnt players off with this manager in charge. Bailey, McGinn, Watkins, Mings, Konsa to a greater or lesser extent have been written off on here, including by me. I think its far to early in his Villa career to do the same to Diaby.
Post by: Clampy on January 28, 2024, 09:55:41 AM
Based on what though Ian? He's shown no improvement for weeks/months, and if anything his performances are getting worse and he's having less impact in games. He looks totally lost, and very unhappy.So Risso are you writing him off completely? I think recent history shows us that we shouldnt players off with this manager in charge. Bailey, McGinn, Watkins, Mings, Konsa to a greater or lesser extent have been written off on here, including by me. I think its far to early in his Villa career to do the same to Diaby.
Spot on.
Post by: john e on January 28, 2024, 10:20:46 AM
Based on what though Ian? He's shown no improvement for weeks/months, and if anything his performances are getting worse and he's having less impact in games. He looks totally lost, and very unhappy.So Risso are you writing him off completely? I think recent history shows us that we shouldnt players off with this manager in charge. Bailey, McGinn, Watkins, Mings, Konsa to a greater or lesser extent have been written off on here, including by me. I think its far to early in his Villa career to do the same to Diaby.
We always get this someone goes through a bad run of form and suddenly everyone’s writing them off
No one is writing him off
But playing him for 90 minutes when he’s clearly doing nothing, out of form, head all over the place is doing him or the team no good whatsoever
It’s alright people coming out with stats, but you only have to look at his performance the other night realise things aren’t right, the evidence is right in front of us
The Most important thing is he gets help off the pitch and the nursed back to form on it
He’s not been written off, he will come back, but at the moment he’s costing us on the pitch, what he might of done months ago is pretty much relevant for right now
We’re in a serious challenge for a top 4 position and 2 cups we can’t afford carry players
Post by: Chris Smith on January 28, 2024, 10:26:11 AM
Based on what though Ian? He's shown no improvement for weeks/months, and if anything his performances are getting worse and he's having less impact in games. He looks totally lost, and very unhappy.So Risso are you writing him off completely? I think recent history shows us that we shouldnt players off with this manager in charge. Bailey, McGinn, Watkins, Mings, Konsa to a greater or lesser extent have been written off on here, including by me. I think its far to early in his Villa career to do the same to Diaby.
We always get this someone goes through a bad run of form and suddenly everyone’s writing them off
No one is writing him off
But playing him for 90 minutes when he’s clearly doing nothing, out of form, head all over the place is doing him or the team no good whatsoever
It’s alright people coming out with stats, but you only have to look at his performance the other night realise things aren’t right, the evidence is right in front of us
The Most important thing is he gets help off the pitch and the nursed back to form on it
He’s not been written off, he will come back, but at the moment he’s costing us on the pitch, what he might of done months ago is pretty much relevant for right now
We’re in a serious challenge for a top 4 position and 2 cups we can’t afford carry players
I get what you’re saying about carrying players but equally we need to let those that need it have adequate recovery time. Diaby playing the other night means Bailey is fresh for Tuesday.
Post by: Risso on January 28, 2024, 10:26:18 AM
Based on what though Ian? He's shown no improvement for weeks/months, and if anything his performances are getting worse and he's having less impact in games. He looks totally lost, and very unhappy.So Risso are you writing him off completely? I think recent history shows us that we shouldnt players off with this manager in charge. Bailey, McGinn, Watkins, Mings, Konsa to a greater or lesser extent have been written off on here, including by me. I think its far to early in his Villa career to do the same to Diaby.
No of course I'm not. But he shouldn't be starting games at the moment.
Post by: Risso on January 28, 2024, 10:28:38 AM
I get what you’re saying about carrying players but equally we need to let those that need it have adequate recovery time. Diaby playing the other night means Bailey is fresh for Tuesday.
They've just had two weeks off and have played 1 game in three weeks. How much fresher do you need him to be?!
Post by: Ian. on January 28, 2024, 10:29:36 AM
Based on what though Ian? He's shown no improvement for weeks/months, and if anything his performances are getting worse and he's having less impact in games. He looks totally lost, and very unhappy.
Only a gut feeling mate. He looked so good in those first two months and I have no idea why it isn’t working. I just really believe after witnessing the transformation of Bailey if there is a quality player in there, which there is, it’s just a matter of time.
I also think likewise with Bailey the sad look he carries is just the fact he knows he can do better and nothing more sinister thank that.
I hope I’m right because he caused havoc early on.
Post by: mrfuse on January 28, 2024, 10:32:22 AM
Based on what though Ian? He's shown no improvement for weeks/months, and if anything his performances are getting worse and he's having less impact in games. He looks totally lost, and very unhappy.So Risso are you writing him off completely? I think recent history shows us that we shouldnt players off with this manager in charge. Bailey, McGinn, Watkins, Mings, Konsa to a greater or lesser extent have been written off on here, including by me. I think its far to early in his Villa career to do the same to Diaby.
We always get this someone goes through a bad run of form and suddenly everyone’s writing them off
No one is writing him off
But playing him for 90 minutes when he’s clearly doing nothing, out of form, head all over the place is doing him or the team no good whatsoever
It’s alright people coming out with stats, but you only have to look at his performance the other night realise things aren’t right, the evidence is right in front of us
The Most important thing is he gets help off the pitch and the nursed back to form on it
He’s not been written off, he will come back, but at the moment he’s costing us on the pitch, what he might of done months ago is pretty much relevant for right now
We’re in a serious challenge for a top 4 position and 2 cups we can’t afford carry players
I agree with this comment, I don't think anyone is writing off Diaby though are they?
Ian said that he feels hes about to click again soon, but we haven't seen any evidence to suggest he is.
Whatever has happened to Diaby has certainly affected his confidence pretty badly and hes really struggling.
I trust Emery to be able to remedy the situation but that could be next season.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2024, 10:33:10 AM
Post by: Clampy on January 28, 2024, 10:35:18 AM
Post by: VillaTim on January 28, 2024, 10:36:39 AM
Not sure why Emery kept him on so long on Saturday, game was made for Bailey from 65 mins .
That air shot at Boro summed up Diaby at the moment , confidence shot and head not right
Post by: john e on January 28, 2024, 10:37:53 AM
Based on what though Ian? He's shown no improvement for weeks/months, and if anything his performances are getting worse and he's having less impact in games. He looks totally lost, and very unhappy.So Risso are you writing him off completely? I think recent history shows us that we shouldnt players off with this manager in charge. Bailey, McGinn, Watkins, Mings, Konsa to a greater or lesser extent have been written off on here, including by me. I think its far to early in his Villa career to do the same to Diaby.
We always get this someone goes through a bad run of form and suddenly everyone’s writing them off
No one is writing him off
But playing him for 90 minutes when he’s clearly doing nothing, out of form, head all over the place is doing him or the team no good whatsoever
It’s alright people coming out with stats, but you only have to look at his performance the other night realise things aren’t right, the evidence is right in front of us
The Most important thing is he gets help off the pitch and the nursed back to form on it
He’s not been written off, he will come back, but at the moment he’s costing us on the pitch, what he might of done months ago is pretty much relevant for right now
We’re in a serious challenge for a top 4 position and 2 cups we can’t afford carry players
I get what you’re saying about carrying players but equally we need to let those that need it have adequate recovery time. Diaby playing the other night means Bailey is fresh for Tuesday.
Bailey might well have benefited from a 20 minute workout ready for Tuesday imo
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 28, 2024, 10:38:32 AM
Diaby is having a poor spell at the moment, and yes, it has gone on longer than anyone would want, but that doesn't mean he's a dreadful signing etc etc etc.
Post by: olaftab on January 28, 2024, 10:57:03 AM
It's interesting that some people think there may be an issue off the pitch. It's possible I suppose but he may just be frustrated with his form, it could be as simple as that.No, I am afraid it’s nothing simple. I saw him shopping at ASDA Minworth last week and followed him for about an hour. He filled and emptied his trolly 3 times before abandoning it and walking out with a single red cabbage. There are some serious issues here🤔
Post by: ROBBO on January 28, 2024, 11:11:40 AM
we have seen the difference in McGinn when he is asked to be more defensive.
Post by: robleflaneur on January 28, 2024, 11:14:33 AM
Have you seen a psychiatrist about your stalking issues ? Would we be more worried if we saw him in Aldi or Lidl ?It's interesting that some people think there may be an issue off the pitch. It's possible I suppose but he may just be frustrated with his form, it could be as simple as that.No, I am afraid it’s nothing simple. I saw him shopping at ASDA Minworth last week and followed him for about an hour. He filled and emptied his trolly 3 times before abandoning it and walking out with a single red cabbage. There are some serious issues here🤔
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 28, 2024, 11:18:54 AM
Post by: Risso on January 28, 2024, 11:21:58 AM
Post by: john e on January 28, 2024, 11:38:56 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 28, 2024, 12:00:16 PM
No, I am afraid it’s nothing simple. I saw him shopping at ASDA Minworth last week and followed him for about an hour. He filled and emptied his trolly 3 times before abandoning it and walking out with a single red cabbage. There are some serious issues here🤔
The fact that he bought a whole red cabbage, and not a ready-made shredded pack, shows he's a grafter and willing to put the work in. 👍
Post by: eamonn on January 28, 2024, 12:23:52 PM
It's interesting that some people think there may be an issue off the pitch. It's possible I suppose but he may just be frustrated with his form, it could be as simple as that.No, I am afraid it’s nothing simple. I saw him shopping at ASDA Minworth last week and followed him for about an hour. He filled and emptied his trolly 3 times before abandoning it and walking out with a single red cabbage. There are some serious issues here🤔
Hope you told him to forget the cabbage, Steve Bruce won't be returning to the club so there's no need to worry.
Post by: Chris Smith on January 28, 2024, 12:26:25 PM
I get what you’re saying about carrying players but equally we need to let those that need it have adequate recovery time. Diaby playing the other night means Bailey is fresh for Tuesday.
They've just had two weeks off and have played 1 game in three weeks. How much fresher do you need him to be?!
Yes but then 2 in a few days so Bailey is now fresher for Tuesday.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 28, 2024, 12:31:39 PM
Isn’t Minworth also where the sewage plant is that gets a regular mention in the shithouse thread?
You’re correct. I was told it was the biggest of it kind in Europe some years ago (not sure that’s true). You just cannot put a price on information like that!
Post by: LeeB on January 28, 2024, 12:36:17 PM
ASDA Minworth gets mentioned on here so much that I feel like it should be added to some kind of tour for overseas visitors. The Barton's, the Villa Chippie, the branch of Snappy Snaps where (I think) Olneythelonely had a rat biting his toe, ASDA Minworth. It'd do numbers, I'm sure.
It needs a guided tour with the bloody size of it
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 28, 2024, 12:51:33 PM
Isn’t Minworth also where the sewage plant is that gets a regular mention in the shithouse thread?Yes, it very much smells of shite in the vacinity, no offence meant to any Minworthonians
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 28, 2024, 12:55:38 PM
Isn’t Minworth also where the sewage plant is that gets a regular mention in the shithouse thread?Yes, it very much smells of shite in the vacinity, no offence meant to any Minworthonians
It used to be a common occurrence but very much a rarity these days, unless my nostrils hove just become accustomed to it.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 28, 2024, 12:59:59 PM
If they are turning that amount down, then I think its time to move on...
Post by: olaftab on January 28, 2024, 01:08:40 PM
Have you seen a psychiatrist about your stalking issues ?You make a good point but I really don’t want to turn this thread into me me me.
Post by: VillaTim on January 28, 2024, 01:28:31 PM
Apparently West Ham have had a £12.5M bid for Rogers turned down by Boro.walk away
If they are turning that amount down, then I think its time to move on...
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 28, 2024, 01:30:16 PM
Apparently West Ham have had a £12.5M bid for Rogers turned down by Boro.walk away
If they are turning that amount down, then I think its time to move on...
I agree with this. For a couple of mill he was worth a punt but anything over 8 and I didnt see the point.
Post by: Clampy on January 28, 2024, 01:38:24 PM
Post by: OCD on January 28, 2024, 01:44:47 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 28, 2024, 01:48:23 PM
Whole wide world out there and they limit themselves to (a) our forwards or (b) forwards we bid for
It's flattering I suppose.
Post by: Clampy on January 28, 2024, 04:05:49 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 28, 2024, 04:14:04 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 28, 2024, 04:27:46 PM
Post by: Risso on January 28, 2024, 07:43:23 PM
Seems a lot for someone unproven , bit like Duran . Can't imagine Duran stays if Rogers arrives
You don't see many deals going through when the player is injured though.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 28, 2024, 07:53:37 PM
Isn’t Minworth also where the sewage plant is that gets a regular mention in the shithouse thread?
At the back of the Minworth Sewerage works were some football pitches, our Sunday team played there as a home ground for a few seasons. Beyond the pitches were some pits where shite from septic tanks, collected by mobile container tank trucks was deposited.
Many was a time when, after a few Saturday bevvies, we'd turn up half cut on Sunday morning, the tanks would turn up and empty, and as the stench wafted over, half the players would start retching and chucking up.
We soon moved on.
Post by: LeeB on January 28, 2024, 08:06:51 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 28, 2024, 09:15:10 PM
I imagine it will be something like 10-12 up front and a few add ons. Seems this one is getting done by the deadline. Emery must really like him.
I think Emery will improve him further and get the very best out of him.
Post by: eamonn on January 28, 2024, 09:23:58 PM
I played there a few times, it was bloody horrible and always boggy underfoot.
"It's a shit business".
Post by: Dave on January 28, 2024, 09:33:07 PM
I imagine it will be something like 10-12 up front and a few add ons. Seems this one is getting done by the deadline. Emery must really like him.
I think Emery will improve him further and get the very best out of him.
Maybe. Given the talk though about how we, like everyone else, has no money to spend and we're triple checking the scouts' expenses receipts lest we fall foul of the FFP judges, it seems like an odd use of our worldwide scouting genie and the apparent little money available.
Thoroughly look forward to this being thrown back at me in two years time though when he's dancing through the Real Madrid defence in the Champions League final though.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 28, 2024, 09:35:45 PM
Post by: Dave on January 28, 2024, 09:45:00 PM
Does make you wonder why Monchi was such a priority hire if we cant spend anything?
I'd assumed that he was supposed to find a Dani Alves, an Ivan Rakitic and a Luis Fabiano for relative buttons so that we didn't need to buy the guy who was doing just fine for Middlesbrough.
Post by: Steve67 on January 28, 2024, 09:47:44 PM
I imagine it will be something like 10-12 up front and a few add ons. Seems this one is getting done by the deadline. Emery must really like him.
I think Emery will improve him further and get the very best out of him.
Maybe. Given the talk though about how we, like everyone else, has no money to spend and we're triple checking the scouts' expenses receipts lest we fall foul of the FFP judges, it seems like an odd use of our worldwide scouting genie and the apparent little money available.
Thoroughly look forward to this being theown back at me in two years time though when he's dancing through the Real Madrid defence in the Champions League final though.
It's a fair point Dave and I reckon there is far better value abroad, but I just wonder whether they are hedging their bets that Rogers develops quicker and is fitter than any foreign player we bring in for that position at the moment.
Post by: algy on January 28, 2024, 10:06:16 PM
Would there maybe be an element of needing English players to bolster the squad for the Europa Conference thing?
Post by: brontebilly on January 28, 2024, 10:19:52 PM
Does make you wonder why Monchi was such a priority hire if we cant spend anything?
The Serbian right back might be one of his
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 28, 2024, 10:27:08 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 28, 2024, 10:57:02 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 28, 2024, 11:25:35 PM
He’s a specimen at about 6’ 4”. I think long term Emery sees him as a centre-forward and for now he’ll fight it out with Duran to be Ollie’s understudy.
Him & Kellyman up front would be interesting, lol...
Post by: andyh on January 28, 2024, 11:38:55 PM
Does make you wonder why Monchi was such a priority hire if we cant spend anything?And why he chose to come ?
Post by: Ian. on January 29, 2024, 12:11:25 AM
Does make you wonder why Monchi was such a priority hire if we cant spend anything?And why he chose to come ?
Maybe it’s all a long term plan? Also I did read that he has a really strong working connection with Emery.
Post by: olaftab on January 29, 2024, 12:20:22 AM
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Post by: chrisw1 on January 29, 2024, 10:29:12 AM
They have every right to try to keep him and it's perfectly reasonable they stand firm. But I just don't see how this lad is worth more than £8m let alone £15m.
And we should put Boro on our shit list when it comes to future loans too.
Post by: Risso on January 29, 2024, 10:32:16 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 29, 2024, 10:36:51 AM
Why on earth didn't we tie this into the Azaz deal? If Rogers really is Monchi and Emery's first choice this transfer window, then any sort of leverage at all would have been useful.
Exactly my thoughts. Made a absolute mess of that. Selling them azaz for peanuts and we loaned them archer in the past.
I hope we walk away and now loan our talented youngsters to other sides that are no boro. 15m for a guy that has scored two league goals. Lets walk
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2024, 10:52:30 AM
Post by: OCD on January 29, 2024, 10:53:53 AM
I hope we just walk away now.
They have every right to try to keep him and it's perfectly reasonable they stand firm. But I just don't see how this lad is worth more than £8m let alone £15m.
And we should put Boro on our shit list when it comes to future loans too.
He's not someone that stood out to me but our recruitment department have been good for a few years and I trust Emery's judgment (and prepared to give Monchi a chance).
But why should Boro go on our shit list? Because they've put a value on him that so far we haven't met? I don't see that they've done anything wrong. I'd actually go the other way and offer them Kellyman on loan for the rest of the season to cover them until they can get someone in permanently in the summer.
Post by: Dogtanian on January 29, 2024, 10:57:20 AM
I hope we just walk away now.
They have every right to try to keep him and it's perfectly reasonable they stand firm. But I just don't see how this lad is worth more than £8m let alone £15m.
And we should put Boro on our shit list when it comes to future loans too.
He's not someone that stood out to me but our recruitment department have been good for a few years and I trust Emery's judgment (and prepared to give Monchi a chance).
But why should Boro go on our shit list? Because they've put a value on him that so far we haven't met? I don't see that they've done anything wrong. I'd actually go the other way and offer them Kellyman on loan for the rest of the season to cover them until they can get someone in permanently in the summer.
Steve Gibson is probably still moaning about how much we spent in the Championship. Maybe he's holding out for £15m + a look at our books.
Post by: Villafirst on January 29, 2024, 10:58:24 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 29, 2024, 11:01:39 AM
Just move on he doesnt even look that brilliant tbh
I thought JPB showed more potential tbh
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 29, 2024, 11:07:52 AM
You’d think they’d have a few players lined up in that category, probably playing overseas, where you can get better value rather than getting bent over by Boro. Not that I’m blaming Boro at all.
Post by: robleflaneur on January 29, 2024, 11:25:22 AM
And we could ask about Gibson's dodgy dealings on behalf of the Teeside Freeport scam.I hope we just walk away now.
They have every right to try to keep him and it's perfectly reasonable they stand firm. But I just don't see how this lad is worth more than £8m let alone £15m.
And we should put Boro on our shit list when it comes to future loans too.
He's not someone that stood out to me but our recruitment department have been good for a few years and I trust Emery's judgment (and prepared to give Monchi a chance).
But why should Boro go on our shit list? Because they've put a value on him that so far we haven't met? I don't see that they've done anything wrong. I'd actually go the other way and offer them Kellyman on loan for the rest of the season to cover them until they can get someone in permanently in the summer.
Steve Gibson is probably still moaning about how much we spent in the Championship. Maybe he's holding out for £15m + a look at our books.
Post by: Gareth on January 29, 2024, 11:27:48 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 29, 2024, 11:34:48 AM
Why on earth didn't we tie this into the Azaz deal? If Rogers really is Monchi and Emery's first choice this transfer window, then any sort of leverage at all would have been useful.
This frustrates me to no end.
With them wanting Azaz, we had some leverage.
I really would love to know who fucked the pooch on this one...
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 29, 2024, 11:38:29 AM
Why on earth didn't we tie this into the Azaz deal? If Rogers really is Monchi and Emery's first choice this transfer window, then any sort of leverage at all would have been useful.
This frustrates me to no end.
With them wanting Azaz, we had some leverage.
I really would love to know who fucked the pooch on this one...
It was a lad at my school called Peter Carruthers, but he only wanked it off. That was the rumour anyway.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 29, 2024, 12:03:39 PM
excellent.Why on earth didn't we tie this into the Azaz deal? If Rogers really is Monchi and Emery's first choice this transfer window, then any sort of leverage at all would have been useful.
This frustrates me to no end.
With them wanting Azaz, we had some leverage.
I really would love to know who fucked the pooch on this one...
It was a lad at my school called Peter Carruthers, but he only wanked it off. That was the rumour anyway.
Post by: eamonn on January 29, 2024, 12:09:00 PM
Post by: Risso on January 29, 2024, 12:14:55 PM
If another club had offered more than £2.5m for Azzaz, presumably we would have accepted it. As it was, only Boro came in for him and he was out of contract (I think) in May so it made sense from that perspective. They won't feel they need to do us any favours with a lower amount for Rogers.
He had longer than that on his contract I think, as he signed an extension last summer.
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2024, 12:17:21 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 29, 2024, 12:19:11 PM
See some journos now talking Duran Broja swap.
Actual journos or twitter folk?
Post by: chrisw1 on January 29, 2024, 12:23:51 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 29, 2024, 12:27:16 PM
See some journos now talking Duran Broja swap.No fuck that. Whilst Jhon still has potential Broja has been proved as mediocre.
Post by: Dave on January 29, 2024, 12:33:39 PM
Broja had a middling season at Southampton 2 years ago and hardly kicked a ball for Chelsea before or since that loan. If anyone goes in for him it would be a massive gamble.
There was a case a few years ago where (I think) Barcelona and Juventus to get round their FFP issues swapped (I think) Arthur and Pjanic with no money changing hands,but were able to put the transfers through the books in such a way that both clubs made massive profits, which helped their FFP balances. Neither club really wanted either player.
Something similar would be the only reason I can imagine a Broja / Duran swap.
I'm guessing the rules are written up in such a way to prevent such shenanigans and that the example above means that clubs can't do it anymore, but just throwing it out there.
Post by: Risso on January 29, 2024, 12:39:59 PM
Broja had a middling season at Southampton 2 years ago and hardly kicked a ball for Chelsea before or since that loan. If anyone goes in for him it would be a massive gamble.
There was a case a few years ago where (I think) Barcelona and Juventus to get round their FFP issues swapped (I think) Arthur and Pjanic with no money changing hands,but were able to put the transfers through the books in such a way that both clubs made massive profits, which helped their FFP balances. Neither club really wanted either player.
Something similar would be the only reason I can imagine a Broja / Duran swap.
I'm guessing the rules are written up in such a way to prevent such shenanigans and that the example above means that clubs can't do it anymore, but just throwing it out there.
I could see something similar with Longstaff and Ramsey. As long as the transfers are "market rate" I can't really see what anybody could do about it.
Post by: aev on January 29, 2024, 12:45:47 PM
Broja had a middling season at Southampton 2 years ago and hardly kicked a ball for Chelsea before or since that loan. If anyone goes in for him it would be a massive gamble.
There was a case a few years ago where (I think) Barcelona and Juventus to get round their FFP issues swapped (I think) Arthur and Pjanic with no money changing hands,but were able to put the transfers through the books in such a way that both clubs made massive profits, which helped their FFP balances. Neither club really wanted either player.
Something similar would be the only reason I can imagine a Broja / Duran swap.
I'm guessing the rules are written up in such a way to prevent such shenanigans and that the example above means that clubs can't do it anymore, but just throwing it out there.
I could see something similar with Longstaff and Ramsey. As long as the transfers are "market rate" I can't really see what anybody could do about it.
The problem with that is Longstaff is gash.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 29, 2024, 12:46:27 PM
If another club had offered more than £2.5m for Azzaz, presumably we would have accepted it. As it was, only Boro came in for him and he was out of contract (I think) in May so it made sense from that perspective. They won't feel they need to do us any favours with a lower amount for Rogers.
That’s my take on it as well, we agreed the price for Azaz so can only come to the conclusion we were let down by other options or weren’t interested in Rogers at the time. Either way if they want £15m for their player we would offer the full amount or part thereof and Azaz.
Post by: Risso on January 29, 2024, 12:47:10 PM
Post by: Risso on January 29, 2024, 12:47:52 PM
If another club had offered more than £2.5m for Azzaz, presumably we would have accepted it. As it was, only Boro came in for him and he was out of contract (I think) in May so it made sense from that perspective. They won't feel they need to do us any favours with a lower amount for Rogers.
That’s my take on it as well, we agreed the price for Azaz so can only come to the conclusion we were let down by other options or weren’t interested in Rogers at the time. Either way if they want £15m for their player we would offer the full amount or part thereof and Azaz.
But the reports all say that he's been top of our list for some time.
Post by: Gareth on January 29, 2024, 12:54:30 PM
There's no such things as gash players, there are are just players who haven't played for Emery before! ;)
I like that…..
& it’s true :-)
Post by: paul_e on January 29, 2024, 01:00:55 PM
Broja had a middling season at Southampton 2 years ago and hardly kicked a ball for Chelsea before or since that loan. If anyone goes in for him it would be a massive gamble.
There was a case a few years ago where (I think) Barcelona and Juventus to get round their FFP issues swapped (I think) Arthur and Pjanic with no money changing hands,but were able to put the transfers through the books in such a way that both clubs made massive profits, which helped their FFP balances. Neither club really wanted either player.
Something similar would be the only reason I can imagine a Broja / Duran swap.
I'm guessing the rules are written up in such a way to prevent such shenanigans and that the example above means that clubs can't do it anymore, but just throwing it out there.
I don't know how you could create a rule for that without effectively blocking teams from buying and selling from the same club in a single window. It'd would be interesting to see what happened (if players got massively overvalued in a swap) though, everyone would know it was dodgy but with no centralised valuation on players how would you prove it?
Anyway, Broja is awful, given how much stick Watkins gets over his control, I think half the fanbase would spontaneously combust the first time he played for us.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 29, 2024, 01:07:35 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 29, 2024, 01:07:53 PM
Broja had a middling season at Southampton 2 years ago and hardly kicked a ball for Chelsea before or since that loan. If anyone goes in for him it would be a massive gamble.
There was a case a few years ago where (I think) Barcelona and Juventus to get round their FFP issues swapped (I think) Arthur and Pjanic with no money changing hands,but were able to put the transfers through the books in such a way that both clubs made massive profits, which helped their FFP balances. Neither club really wanted either player.
Something similar would be the only reason I can imagine a Broja / Duran swap.
I'm guessing the rules are written up in such a way to prevent such shenanigans and that the example above means that clubs can't do it anymore, but just throwing it out there.
I don't know how you could create a rule for that without effectively blocking teams from buying and selling from the same club in a single window. It'd would be interesting to see what happened (if players got massively overvalued in a swap) though, everyone would know it was dodgy but with no centralised valuation on players how would you prove it?
Anyway, Broja is awful, given how much stick Watkins gets over his control, I think half the fanbase would spontaneously combust the first time he played for us.
That touch when he got through against us last weekend was more Jordan Bowery than Watkins. Doesn't look as if he can run either.
Might aswell get Chucky back if they are that desperate. He surely still has more potential than Rogers.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 29, 2024, 01:40:16 PM
If another club had offered more than £2.5m for Azzaz, presumably we would have accepted it. As it was, only Boro came in for him and he was out of contract (I think) in May so it made sense from that perspective. They won't feel they need to do us any favours with a lower amount for Rogers.
That’s my take on it as well, we agreed the price for Azaz so can only come to the conclusion we were let down by other options or weren’t interested in Rogers at the time. Either way if they want £15m for their player we would offer the full amount or part thereof and Azaz.
But the reports all say that he's been top of our list for some time.
I hadn’t heard that as it’s only become common knowledge the last week or so. The only thing that we could have done differently was to include Azaz in the deal to get Rogers in the door at that time but we couldn’t have got a better deal as they were aware of Finn’s contract situation so we couldn’t really have over valued him.
TBH I went to Boro but didn’t notice Rogers and didn’t watch their game against Chelsea so I’ve no idea what he’s like. We all trust Emery but it seems a lot of money for a player , who in my mind, has hardly been setting the championship alight.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 29, 2024, 01:46:20 PM
Why on earth didn't we tie this into the Azaz deal? If Rogers really is Monchi and Emery's first choice this transfer window, then any sort of leverage at all would have been useful.
This frustrates me to no end.
With them wanting Azaz, we had some leverage.
I really would love to know who fucked the pooch on this one...
It was a lad at my school called Peter Carruthers, but he only wanked it off. That was the rumour anyway.
I wonder if most schools have this type of rumour? With our Tim though it was supposedly all the way.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 29, 2024, 01:48:18 PM
Why on earth didn't we tie this into the Azaz deal? If Rogers really is Monchi and Emery's first choice this transfer window, then any sort of leverage at all would have been useful.
This frustrates me to no end.
With them wanting Azaz, we had some leverage.
I really would love to know who fucked the pooch on this one...
It was a lad at my school called Peter Carruthers, but he only wanked it off. That was the rumour anyway.
I wonder if most schools have this type of rumour? With our Tim though it was supposedly all the way.
I've changed the chap's name to protect the innocent, but I met that dog. He had the look of a dog that'd be up for it.
Post by: LeeB on January 29, 2024, 01:49:40 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on January 29, 2024, 01:49:53 PM
Why on earth didn't we tie this into the Azaz deal? If Rogers really is Monchi and Emery's first choice this transfer window, then any sort of leverage at all would have been useful.
This frustrates me to no end.
With them wanting Azaz, we had some leverage.
I really would love to know who fucked the pooch on this one...
It was a lad at my school called Peter Carruthers, but he only wanked it off. That was the rumour anyway.
I wonder if most schools have this type of rumour? With our Tim though it was supposedly all the way.
I've changed the chap's name to protect the innocent, but I met that dog. He had the look of a dog that'd be up for it.
He's a dog then. 8)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 29, 2024, 01:59:09 PM
Why on earth didn't we tie this into the Azaz deal? If Rogers really is Monchi and Emery's first choice this transfer window, then any sort of leverage at all would have been useful.
This frustrates me to no end.
With them wanting Azaz, we had some leverage.
I really would love to know who fucked the pooch on this one...
It was a lad at my school called Peter Carruthers, but he only wanked it off. That was the rumour anyway.
Only? Oh, that’s ok then, nothing to see here !
:-)
Post by: eamonn on January 29, 2024, 02:20:15 PM
Typical dog, leading you on.
They always wag their tails at all the pretty girls and older women
They find their own way in, then rip up everything that I believe in
Post by: caster troy on January 29, 2024, 02:36:01 PM
Post by: Gareth on January 29, 2024, 02:41:55 PM
The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?
Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back
Post by: VillaTim on January 29, 2024, 02:45:59 PM
JPB though £5m - looks like we sold him way too cheapThe thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?
Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back
Post by: lovejoy on January 29, 2024, 02:51:20 PM
Post by: caster troy on January 29, 2024, 02:51:39 PM
The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?
Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back
Rogers has two goals for Boro in 26 league appearances, Archer had 11 goals in 20. Bidace scored four in 37 last year so is perhaps a better comparison and we sold him for £5m.
Post by: Gareth on January 29, 2024, 02:54:01 PM
JPB though £5m - looks like we sold him way too cheapThe thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?
Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back
Absolutely, looks that way so far, however none of us know what the deal is as regards buy backs or sell on clauses…same with Azaz. But we aren’t just giving young players away, we are future proofing if they step up…JPB looks the most likely to step up thus far
Post by: LeeS on January 29, 2024, 02:56:01 PM
The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?
Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back
Rogers has two goals for Boro in 26 league appearances, Archer had 11 goals in 20. Bidace scored four in 37 last year so is perhaps a better comparison and we sold him for £5m.
And Harry Kane scored twice in 15 games on loan at Norwich. You need something to make a comparison, I admit, but stats dont tell the full story. Having said that, I wont be sad if we miss out on this lad.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 29, 2024, 02:56:42 PM
Typical dog, leading you on.
Barking mad!
Post by: lovejoy on January 29, 2024, 02:56:51 PM
Broja had a middling season at Southampton 2 years ago and hardly kicked a ball for Chelsea before or since that loan. If anyone goes in for him it would be a massive gamble.
There was a case a few years ago where (I think) Barcelona and Juventus to get round their FFP issues swapped (I think) Arthur and Pjanic with no money changing hands,but were able to put the transfers through the books in such a way that both clubs made massive profits, which helped their FFP balances. Neither club really wanted either player.
Something similar would be the only reason I can imagine a Broja / Duran swap.
I'm guessing the rules are written up in such a way to prevent such shenanigans and that the example above means that clubs can't do it anymore, but just throwing it out there.
yes if you do a swap deal at a deemed fair value of £100m, you create profit immediately to help FFP but the cost on the incoming player is spread over the life of the contract. I'd imagine you'd get the question if the deemed fair value was excessive.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 29, 2024, 03:00:14 PM
Same with the Serbian RB & any other player who is 21 & under by the FFP/PSR deadline.
Is this accurate?
Would explain why Chelsea turned themselves into the worlds largest battery farm academy & the likes of ManC are buying young South Americans & then loaning them back...
Post by: OCD on January 29, 2024, 03:10:20 PM
Someone mentioned to me recently that as Rogers is 21 years old, he counts as an U21 academy player & therefore doesn't influence FFP/PSR spending.
Same with the Serbian RB & any other player who is 21 & under by the FFP/PSR deadline.
Is this accurate?
Would explain why Chelsea turned themselves into the worlds largest battery farm academy & the likes of ManC are buying young South Americans & then loaning them back...
Similarly, I heard that the Serbian lad is young enough to count as someone who's come through the academy system. No idea whether it's true or not.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 29, 2024, 03:31:17 PM
The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?
Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back
Rogers has two goals for Boro in 26 league appearances, Archer had 11 goals in 20. Bidace scored four in 37 last year so is perhaps a better comparison and we sold him for £5m.
And Harry Kane scored twice in 15 games on loan at Norwich. You need something to make a comparison, I admit, but stats dont tell the full story. Having said that, I wont be sad if we miss out on this lad.
Watching some of the videos of him, he doesn't seem to be an out-and-out striker and seems to be positioned more in the 'number 10' position or in a wider area.
Post by: Risso on January 29, 2024, 03:41:12 PM
Someone mentioned to me recently that as Rogers is 21 years old, he counts as an U21 academy player & therefore doesn't influence FFP/PSR spending.
Same with the Serbian RB & any other player who is 21 & under by the FFP/PSR deadline.
Is this accurate?
Would explain why Chelsea turned themselves into the worlds largest battery farm academy & the likes of ManC are buying young South Americans & then loaning them back...
No. Wages and amortisation of young players you buy count for FFP.
Post by: caster troy on January 29, 2024, 03:48:06 PM
The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?
Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back
Rogers has two goals for Boro in 26 league appearances, Archer had 11 goals in 20. Bidace scored four in 37 last year so is perhaps a better comparison and we sold him for £5m.
And Harry Kane scored twice in 15 games on loan at Norwich. You need something to make a comparison, I admit, but stats dont tell the full story. Having said that, I wont be sad if we miss out on this lad.
True but maybe if we had Kane doing that while out on loan we'd be selling him cheap with a buy back too... I'm not necessarilly criticising Rogers it's more an observation that we seem to be signing a profile of player that we usually want to sell if we have them on our books already. Just seems odd to me.
Post by: LeeS on January 29, 2024, 07:00:22 PM
The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?
Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back
Rogers has two goals for Boro in 26 league appearances, Archer had 11 goals in 20. Bidace scored four in 37 last year so is perhaps a better comparison and we sold him for £5m.
And Harry Kane scored twice in 15 games on loan at Norwich. You need something to make a comparison, I admit, but stats dont tell the full story. Having said that, I wont be sad if we miss out on this lad.
True but maybe if we had Kane doing that while out on loan we'd be selling him cheap with a buy back too... I'm not necessarilly criticising Rogers it's more an observation that we seem to be signing a profile of player that we usually want to sell if we have them on our books already. Just seems odd to me.
No argument from me there. FFP is having unintended consequences.
Post by: Gareth on January 29, 2024, 07:21:33 PM
The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?
Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back
Rogers has two goals for Boro in 26 league appearances, Archer had 11 goals in 20. Bidace scored four in 37 last year so is perhaps a better comparison and we sold him for £5m.
And Harry Kane scored twice in 15 games on loan at Norwich. You need something to make a comparison, I admit, but stats dont tell the full story. Having said that, I wont be sad if we miss out on this lad.
True but maybe if we had Kane doing that while out on loan we'd be selling him cheap with a buy back too... I'm not necessarilly criticising Rogers it's more an observation that we seem to be signing a profile of player that we usually want to sell if we have them on our books already. Just seems odd to me.
No argument from me there. FFP is having unintended consequences.
Think it is working exactly as those clubs that wanted to take away new competition wanted it to
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 29, 2024, 10:01:38 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 29, 2024, 10:21:01 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2024, 10:28:42 PM
The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?
Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back
Rogers has two goals for Boro in 26 league appearances, Archer had 11 goals in 20. Bidace scored four in 37 last year so is perhaps a better comparison and we sold him for £5m.
And Harry Kane scored twice in 15 games on loan at Norwich. You need something to make a comparison, I admit, but stats dont tell the full story. Having said that, I wont be sad if we miss out on this lad.
True but maybe if we had Kane doing that while out on loan we'd be selling him cheap with a buy back too... I'm not necessarilly criticising Rogers it's more an observation that we seem to be signing a profile of player that we usually want to sell if we have them on our books already. Just seems odd to me.
No argument from me there. FFP is having unintended consequences.
Think it is working exactly as those clubs that wanted to take away new competition wanted it to
Didn’t a majority of clubs vote for it?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 29, 2024, 10:33:34 PM
The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?
Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back
Rogers has two goals for Boro in 26 league appearances, Archer had 11 goals in 20. Bidace scored four in 37 last year so is perhaps a better comparison and we sold him for £5m.
And Harry Kane scored twice in 15 games on loan at Norwich. You need something to make a comparison, I admit, but stats dont tell the full story. Having said that, I wont be sad if we miss out on this lad.
True but maybe if we had Kane doing that while out on loan we'd be selling him cheap with a buy back too... I'm not necessarilly criticising Rogers it's more an observation that we seem to be signing a profile of player that we usually want to sell if we have them on our books already. Just seems odd to me.
No argument from me there. FFP is having unintended consequences.
Think it is working exactly as those clubs that wanted to take away new competition wanted it to
Didn’t a majority of clubs vote for it?
Much as I sympathise with Gareth’s point of view, I’ve come to the conclusion that I’d rather there are six clubs we can get close to with great coaching, recruitment, commercial acumen and fabulously wealthy owners, than two that we couldn’t if they were allowed to spend what they like.
Post by: LeonW on January 29, 2024, 10:33:55 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 29, 2024, 10:53:52 PM
My father’s brother’s former roommate has spotted Simon Dawkins at the belfry. Signing imminent.
Great days. Well, not really.
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 29, 2024, 11:02:50 PM
The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?
Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back
Rogers has two goals for Boro in 26 league appearances, Archer had 11 goals in 20. Bidace scored four in 37 last year so is perhaps a better comparison and we sold him for £5m.
And Harry Kane scored twice in 15 games on loan at Norwich. You need something to make a comparison, I admit, but stats dont tell the full story. Having said that, I wont be sad if we miss out on this lad.
True but maybe if we had Kane doing that while out on loan we'd be selling him cheap with a buy back too... I'm not necessarilly criticising Rogers it's more an observation that we seem to be signing a profile of player that we usually want to sell if we have them on our books already. Just seems odd to me.
No argument from me there. FFP is having unintended consequences.
Think it is working exactly as those clubs that wanted to take away new competition wanted it to
Didn’t a majority of clubs vote for it?
Yes, I don’t mean this personally but the drawbridge argument is a tired one liner rolled out against ffp. No financial mechanism will ever claw back the benefits that City and Chelsea in particular have benefitted from but ffp is doing what it’s supposed to do, stop teams spending way beyond their means. Let’s not forget, clubs can make a loss of £105m over the time frame. Its not like there’s no opportunity to speculate and invest at all.
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 29, 2024, 11:05:59 PM
Broja had a middling season at Southampton 2 years ago and hardly kicked a ball for Chelsea before or since that loan. If anyone goes in for him it would be a massive gamble.
There was a case a few years ago where (I think) Barcelona and Juventus to get round their FFP issues swapped (I think) Arthur and Pjanic with no money changing hands,but were able to put the transfers through the books in such a way that both clubs made massive profits, which helped their FFP balances. Neither club really wanted either player.
Something similar would be the only reason I can imagine a Broja / Duran swap.
I'm guessing the rules are written up in such a way to prevent such shenanigans and that the example above means that clubs can't do it anymore, but just throwing it out there.
yes if you do a swap deal at a deemed fair value of £100m, you create profit immediately to help FFP but the cost on the incoming player is spread over the life of the contract. I'd imagine you'd get the question if the deemed fair value was excessive.
This is what Juve got done for last year (they did it multiple times with multiple clubs). Weirdest thing is that it needs two to tango for it to work and I’ve not heard of any of the other parties being investigated, let alone prosecuted. It doesn’t help long term financially but it kicks the can of ffp down the road.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 30, 2024, 09:47:53 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2024, 10:03:03 AM
If we have got as far as having a couple of bids for him, I can see us agreeing a deal for Rogers on 'deadline day'.
Not sure. I think Boro want to go shopping (defender) so unless they can get a player in, they'll keep him. Plenty of Boro fans have said Rogers wouldn't get in their first XI if all players were fit so I assume they'd prefer the money but may wait until the summer.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 30, 2024, 10:31:28 AM
If we were talking about a player who would likely be straight up to speed and help us secure top 5 I'd probably be for it. But it seems to me he's very much a work in progress. Unless Ramsey has had a major setback I hope we just move on.
Post by: Rigadon on January 30, 2024, 10:47:22 AM
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on January 30, 2024, 11:12:46 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2024, 11:28:07 AM
Post by: Gareth on January 30, 2024, 11:55:16 AM
I was hoping Emery/Monchi had a couple of unknown diamonds from the Spanish league like Moreno up their sleeve for this window.
Suspect that might be more the summer, picking up a couple more Kamara’s would be handy :-)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 30, 2024, 12:01:32 PM
If Emery wants Rogers, and we feel there’s value in the deal, then we should do it.
Exactly, can't believe people are second-guessing Unai. I have a feeling he might know what he's doing.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 30, 2024, 12:10:11 PM
Of course he does. I've read this sort of sort of comment a lot, but if you take that attitude then a forum becomes pretty redundant if we can't discuss transfers, selection, tactics etc.If Emery wants Rogers, and we feel there’s value in the deal, then we should do it.
Exactly, can't believe people are second-guessing Unai. I have a feeling he might know what he's doing.
Do people really think Emery & Monchi have never made a bad decision or a bad transfer? If we sign Rogers hopefully he'll be sensational, but I'm not sure we need to stifle opinions just because it's Emery signing him. Surely there's a pretty reasonable body of work for Rogers from which people can draw opinions on value and quality etc if they want? Particularly when we've just seen a handful of youngsters we had high hopes for go out the door for peanuts.
Post by: Dave on January 30, 2024, 12:19:23 PM
And while Emery has to do a lot wrong before his credit-in-the-bank begins to drop, Monchi doesn't yet have a track record of success with us to mean his choices are infallible.
Post by: robleflaneur on January 30, 2024, 12:32:39 PM
Monchi likes Mario Hermoso and it appears we have contacted his agent.He has played a few times for Spain and will be out of contract in the summer at Atlectico Madrid.He's a central defender who can also play at left back.I was hoping Emery/Monchi had a couple of unknown diamonds from the Spanish league like Moreno up their sleeve for this window.
Suspect that might be more the summer, picking up a couple more Kamara’s would be handy :-)
Post by: OCD on January 30, 2024, 01:26:23 PM
Monchi likes Mario Hermoso and it appears we have contacted his agent.He has played a few times for Spain and will be out of contract in the summer at Atlectico Madrid.He's a central defender who can also play at left back.I was hoping Emery/Monchi had a couple of unknown diamonds from the Spanish league like Moreno up their sleeve for this window.
Suspect that might be more the summer, picking up a couple more Kamara’s would be handy :-)
You would have to worry about Mings' future if we went for him.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 30, 2024, 01:53:53 PM
If Emery wants Rogers, and we feel there’s value in the deal, then we should do it.
Exactly, can't believe people are second-guessing Unai. I have a feeling he might know what he's doing.
I think that people are entitled to have a different opinion to the manager on one subject, yet still feel like he knows what he is doing overall.
The thoughts that there are question marks about a transfer or two & we are 4th in the table are not mutually exclusive.
Not everything has to be all doom & gloom. And not everything has to be all peaches & cream.
Post by: Gareth on January 30, 2024, 01:55:42 PM
Monchi likes Mario Hermoso and it appears we have contacted his agent.He has played a few times for Spain and will be out of contract in the summer at Atlectico Madrid.He's a central defender who can also play at left back.I was hoping Emery/Monchi had a couple of unknown diamonds from the Spanish league like Moreno up their sleeve for this window.
Suspect that might be more the summer, picking up a couple more Kamara’s would be handy :-)
You would have to worry about Mings' future if we went for him.
As much as I love Mings if he is back in the squad for the start of the season it’s a bonus not something to be relied upon. Seems a lot of players returning from such a nasty injury need that first few months to get up to speed and they pick up other knocks.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 30, 2024, 02:00:40 PM
I'd rather we just leave Rogers now. I'm sure we can make better use of £15m in the summer.
If we were talking about a player who would likely be straight up to speed and help us secure top 5 I'd probably be for it. But it seems to me he's very much a work in progress. Unless Ramsey has had a major setback I hope we just move on.
The fact that Boro appear to be looking towards a world class potential fee for a player who I doubt will ever be world class means that we should move on.
Don't get me wrong, that is Boros prerogative, but we should not be entertaining the idea for much longer.
I don't mind paying £15M+ for Roony Bardghji, for example, but Rogers is a squad filler type player in my humble opinion.
Post by: Chris Smith on January 30, 2024, 02:02:37 PM
If Emery wants Rogers, and we feel there’s value in the deal, then we should do it.
Exactly, can't believe people are second-guessing Unai. I have a feeling he might know what he's doing.
I think that people are entitled to have a different opinion to the manager on one subject, yet still feel like he knows what he is doing overall.
The thoughts that there are question marks about a transfer or two & we are 4th in the table are not mutually exclusive.
Not everything has to be all doom & gloom. And not everything has to be all peaches & cream.
So what are you saying is things are doom and cream or peaches and gloom.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 30, 2024, 02:03:18 PM
If Emery wants Rogers, and we feel there’s value in the deal, then we should do it.
Exactly, can't believe people are second-guessing Unai. I have a feeling he might know what he's doing.
I think that people are entitled to have a different opinion to the manager on one subject, yet still feel like he knows what he is doing overall.
The thoughts that there are question marks about a transfer or two & we are 4th in the table are not mutually exclusive.
Not everything has to be all doom & gloom. And not everything has to be all peaches & cream.
So what are you saying is things are doom and cream or peaches and gloom.
And things may appear more grumpy than they are... 😉
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2024, 02:20:28 PM
I'd rather we just leave Rogers now. I'm sure we can make better use of £15m in the summer.
If we were talking about a player who would likely be straight up to speed and help us secure top 5 I'd probably be for it. But it seems to me he's very much a work in progress. Unless Ramsey has had a major setback I hope we just move on.
The fact that Boro appear to be looking towards a world class potential fee for a player who I doubt will ever be world class means that we should move on.
Don't get me wrong, that is Boros prerogative, but we should not be entertaining the idea for much longer.
I don't mind paying £15M+ for Roony Bardghji, for example, but Rogers is a squad filler type player in my humble opinion.
I’m not sure what a world class fee is, but £15m isn’t that big. If he went onto be a reasonable premier league player we would comfortably recoup that.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 30, 2024, 02:30:30 PM
Edit: no mention of us in the tweet, btw.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 30, 2024, 02:31:14 PM
I'd rather we just leave Rogers now. I'm sure we can make better use of £15m in the summer.
If we were talking about a player who would likely be straight up to speed and help us secure top 5 I'd probably be for it. But it seems to me he's very much a work in progress. Unless Ramsey has had a major setback I hope we just move on.
The fact that Boro appear to be looking towards a world class potential fee for a player who I doubt will ever be world class means that we should move on.
Don't get me wrong, that is Boros prerogative, but we should not be entertaining the idea for much longer.
I don't mind paying £15M+ for Roony Bardghji, for example, but Rogers is a squad filler type player in my humble opinion.
I’m not sure what a world class fee is, but £15m isn’t that big. If he went onto be a reasonable premier league player we would comfortably recoup that.
It's subjective, thats what it is. ;D
In my subjective humble opinion, paying £15M-£20M is reasonable for what could be considered a potential "world class" prospect.
ManC are paying around that fee for some of the South Americans recently. Brighton manage to get them much lower thanks to their owners 'scouting software'. Chelsea pay all of the money because they are a basket case of a club.
I suppose there fee is also subject to how much experience they have at their age & at what level was that experience gained.
But then again, I suppose "world class" is also subjective...
Post by: OCD on January 30, 2024, 02:31:34 PM
Monchi likes Mario Hermoso and it appears we have contacted his agent.He has played a few times for Spain and will be out of contract in the summer at Atlectico Madrid.He's a central defender who can also play at left back.I was hoping Emery/Monchi had a couple of unknown diamonds from the Spanish league like Moreno up their sleeve for this window.
Suspect that might be more the summer, picking up a couple more Kamara’s would be handy :-)
You would have to worry about Mings' future if we went for him.
As much as I love Mings if he is back in the squad for the start of the season it’s a bonus not something to be relied upon. Seems a lot of players returning from such a nasty injury need that first few months to get up to speed and they pick up other knocks.
Bringing a player in on loan for a few months to cover a player who's recovering from a bad injury is one thing. Signing someone like Hermoso on a Bosman and paying him the wages he would demand when we already have Pau Torres as the one left sided centre back would be something else.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 30, 2024, 02:33:53 PM
I’m not sure what a world class fee is, but £15m isn’t that big. If he went onto be a reasonable premier league player we would comfortably recoup that.
You reckon? We've seemed to struggle to recoup money for loads of players you might think would or should be reasonable premier league players in the past. I wouldn't put it past us struggling to do it again.
(Traore, Dendonker, Chambers, Hause, Sanson, Nakamba, Guilbert, ElGhazi, Hourihane, Kalinic etc. In fact, other than Grealish, I can't recall comfortably recouping much more than £15m for many potentially reasonable Premier League Players for some time. (Chuck is more of an exception given he was widely considered to have fantastic potential)
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 30, 2024, 02:38:01 PM
Monchi likes Mario Hermoso and it appears we have contacted his agent.He has played a few times for Spain and will be out of contract in the summer at Atlectico Madrid.He's a central defender who can also play at left back.I was hoping Emery/Monchi had a couple of unknown diamonds from the Spanish league like Moreno up their sleeve for this window.
Suspect that might be more the summer, picking up a couple more Kamara’s would be handy :-)
You would have to worry about Mings' future if we went for him.
As much as I love Mings if he is back in the squad for the start of the season it’s a bonus not something to be relied upon. Seems a lot of players returning from such a nasty injury need that first few months to get up to speed and they pick up other knocks.
Bringing a player in on loan for a few months to cover a player who's recovering from a bad injury is one thing. Signing someone like Hermoso on a Bosman and paying him the wages he would demand when we already have Pau Torres as the one left sided centre back would be something else.
I would prefer that we look at cheap options running down their contracts that could be cover & competition to what we already have. Take Lloyd Kelly from Bournemouth for example. He would be excellent cover on the left side of our defence, but he also offers a more defensively solid option at LB too. His contract is out in the summer & he is free. For the right side of our defence, we should look at Tosin Adarabioyo. Another on a free contract in the summer & would offer excellent cover & competition for Konsa. And at a push, either could be used at RB if a defensive option is needed. But hopefully the new Serbian kid will do that.
That central defensive quartet would set us up for several years to come & it offers comfort on the ball, some pace, passing ability, etc...
We could then sell both Mings & Carlos for FFP/PSR.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 30, 2024, 02:40:44 PM
I’m not sure what a world class fee is, but £15m isn’t that big. If he went onto be a reasonable premier league player we would comfortably recoup that.
You reckon? We've seemed to struggle to recoup money for loads of players you might think would or should be reasonable premier league players in the past. I wouldn't put it past us struggling to do it again.
(Traore, Dendonker, Chambers, Hause, Sanson, Nakamba, Guilbert, ElGhazi, Hourihane, Kalinic etc. In fact, other than Grealish, I can't recall comfortably recouping much more than £15m for many potentially reasonable Premier League Players for some time. (Chuck is more of an exception given he was widely considered to have fantastic potential)
Our inability to milk the most out of deals recently has been a big issue for me.
I mentioned it about a week ago but I was exhausted & did not push the discussion.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2024, 02:43:42 PM
I’m not sure what a world class fee is, but £15m isn’t that big. If he went onto be a reasonable premier league player we would comfortably recoup that.
You reckon? We've seemed to struggle to recoup money for loads of players you might think would or should be reasonable premier league players in the past. I wouldn't put it past us struggling to do it again.
(Traore, Dendonker, Chambers, Hause, Sanson, Nakamba, Guilbert, ElGhazi, Hourihane, Kalinic etc. In fact, other than Grealish, I can't recall comfortably recouping much more than £15m for many potentially reasonable Premier League Players for some time. (Chuck is more of an exception given he was widely considered to have fantastic potential)
I’m not sure any of those, possibly Den, would be classed as a reasonable Premier League player. They either never reached that level, or were on the way down when we signed them. A 21 year old for £15m isn’t that bonkers if we believe in his ability. That’s not to say it would work out, but at a concept level it seems plausible.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 30, 2024, 02:53:34 PM
oh well, looks like we've signed him. Lets hope he's brilliant.
I’m not sure what a world class fee is, but £15m isn’t that big. If he went onto be a reasonable premier league player we would comfortably recoup that.
You reckon? We've seemed to struggle to recoup money for loads of players you might think would or should be reasonable premier league players in the past. I wouldn't put it past us struggling to do it again.
(Traore, Dendonker, Chambers, Hause, Sanson, Nakamba, Guilbert, ElGhazi, Hourihane, Kalinic etc. In fact, other than Grealish, I can't recall comfortably recouping much more than £15m for many potentially reasonable Premier League Players for some time. (Chuck is more of an exception given he was widely considered to have fantastic potential)
I’m not sure any of those, possibly Den, would be classed as a reasonable Premier League player. They either never reached that level, or were on the way down when we signed them. A 21 year old for £15m isn’t that bonkers if we believe in his ability. That’s not to say it would work out, but at a concept level it seems plausible.
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Post by: Jon Crofts on January 30, 2024, 02:55:24 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 30, 2024, 03:00:50 PM
Rogers on his way according to Fabrizio.Anyone got any ideas on length of the contract? It's a sad state of affairs when one of my first thoughts on signing a player is amortisation.
Post by: Dave on January 30, 2024, 03:03:36 PM
A 21 year old for £15m isn’t that bonkers if we believe in his ability.
Why is he worth three times what Philogene was?
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2024, 03:08:45 PM
A 21 year old for £15m isn’t that bonkers if we believe in his ability.
Why is he worth three times what Philogene was?
I don’t know, maybe he was undervalued? If you look at promising players we’ve sold the £5m fee looks like the outlier. Maybe something drove that fee? It’s a similar fee to Aaron Ramsey, so I can see it as ballpark logical.
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 30, 2024, 03:38:51 PM
With apologies for quoting myself. 5 and a half year deal so if we have to pay the full amount it will be just under £3M per seasonRogers on his way according to Fabrizio.Anyone got any ideas on length of the contract? It's a sad state of affairs when one of my first thoughts on signing a player is amortisation.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 30, 2024, 03:45:16 PM
A 21 year old for £15m isn’t that bonkers if we believe in his ability.
Why is he worth three times what Philogene was?
He's not...
Post by: Chris Smith on January 30, 2024, 03:49:40 PM
A 21 year old for £15m isn’t that bonkers if we believe in his ability.
Why is he worth three times what Philogene was?
He’s probably not “worth” that but moving to a Premier League club rather than from one is maybe the reason for the price. If we’d asked that for Phologene I doubt he’d have moved.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2024, 03:51:52 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2024, 03:54:48 PM
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Post by: algy on January 30, 2024, 04:14:35 PM
I imagine we needed money on the books and Hull were the ones who were willing to offer us the most money whilst allowing us to keep a buyback clause. You'd imagine we'll also be able to buy him back for peanuts.A 21 year old for £15m isn’t that bonkers if we believe in his ability.
Why is he worth three times what Philogene was?
I think it's basically just a side effect of the FFP rules. We have to sell players, we don't have any option not to realistically, so all we can do is try to minimise the negative impact of that. Let younger players who aren't yet in the first team go and try to keep some option for us to get them back if they turn out to be good.
I think it'll work for the good in the long term, but it doesn't sort out a short and medium term problem that some clubs have spent big and reaped the rewards before it's come in.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2024, 04:18:28 PM
So Emery wants to sign a twenty one six foot four player and posters are moaning about fifteen million dollars, with what he has done with Villa over the last twelve months I have confidence that he knows what he is doing.
dollars? Too many years in the outback Robbo
Post by: paul_e on January 30, 2024, 05:13:38 PM
The question I have though is how do addons work in regard to FFP? Does he go into the books as a straight up £15m or as an £8m asset and £7m of potential liabilities? and if the latter how do the liabilities work with regard to amortisation? It seems like it could be a bit of minefield whichever way it works.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 30, 2024, 05:15:25 PM
So Emery wants to sign a twenty one six foot four player and posters are moaning about fifteen million dollars, with what he has done with Villa over the last twelve months I have confidence that he knows what he is doing.Fantastic. Shut the forum down. There's no point ever discussing tactics, selection, signings etc ever again whilst Emery is manager.
Hopefully that will be at least another 4 or 5 years, so hopefully see you then.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2024, 05:33:11 PM
So Emery wants to sign a twenty one six foot four player and posters are moaning about fifteen million dollars, with what he has done with Villa over the last twelve months I have confidence that he knows what he is doing.Fantastic. Shut the forum down. There's no point ever discussing tactics, selection, signings etc ever again whilst Emery is manager.
Hopefully that will be at least another 4 or 5 years, so hopefully see you then.
To be fair he’s just expressing his opinion.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 30, 2024, 05:35:11 PM
'and posters are moaning...'So Emery wants to sign a twenty one six foot four player and posters are moaning about fifteen million dollars, with what he has done with Villa over the last twelve months I have confidence that he knows what he is doing.Fantastic. Shut the forum down. There's no point ever discussing tactics, selection, signings etc ever again whilst Emery is manager.
Hopefully that will be at least another 4 or 5 years, so hopefully see you then.
To be fair he’s just expressing his opinion.
Post by: caster troy on January 30, 2024, 05:40:22 PM
I hoped for another Moreno in this window, not a household name but an experienced player who could come in and instantly improve us. We can't expect Rogers to be the difference between finishing 4th or 7th but other players out there could be.
Post by: Dogtanian on January 30, 2024, 05:45:45 PM
Rogers doesn't seem like a bad signing in isolation but it's a strange one to have prioritised given we only have one striker, one right back, one defensive midfielder and we are fighting for 4th while hoping to progress in two other competitions. If we really are planning to rely on Zaniolo, Hayden and Iroegbunam as cover for those positions we are taking a massive gamble.
I hoped for another Moreno in this window, not a household name but an experienced player who could come in and instantly improve us. We can't expect Rogers to be the difference between finishing 4th or 7th but other players out there could be.
The problem is that any of the players that are highly likely to make the difference between 7th and 4th are going to cost a bomb.
I think Rogers can play a part this season. But Emery is backing the squad that got us here to have a good go at keeping us here.
Post by: Matt C on January 30, 2024, 10:21:55 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 30, 2024, 10:50:07 PM
Adelaide United goalkeeper Joe Gauci incoming according to Sky.
Hoping Olsen is off then.
Post by: VillaTim on January 30, 2024, 10:57:54 PM
Adelaide United goalkeeper Joe Gauci incoming according to Sky.another left field signing to say the least
Post by: Gareth on January 30, 2024, 11:19:16 PM
Adelaide United goalkeeper Joe Gauci incoming according to Sky.
Hoping Olsen is off then.
100% this Steve!
Post by: Clampy on January 30, 2024, 11:23:45 PM
Adelaide United goalkeeper Joe Gauci incoming according to Sky.
Didnt he sing 'Shaddap yer face'?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2024, 11:34:15 PM
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Unai Emery confirms #avfc hope to complete the signing of Morgan Rogers tomorrow. Says there will "definitely not" be any more incomings after that.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2024, 11:34:24 PM
Post by: Londonvilla on January 30, 2024, 11:37:52 PM
Another Australian is set to make the move to the Premier League, with Adelaide United goalkeeper Joe Gauci reportedly on the verge of joining Aston Villa.
That is according to Sky Sports News’ Anthony Joseph, who reported on Wednesday that Villa is “closing in on signing” Gauci, who is currently at the Asian Cup with the Socceroos.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/premier-league/epl-2024-australian-joe-gauci-set-to-join-aston-villa-ahead-of-premier-league-transfer-deadline-news-updates/news-story/b4a77a25bac369fee6460a975f5bde27
Our last Australian keeper was very good so................
Post by: Londonvilla on January 30, 2024, 11:41:01 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 31, 2024, 12:30:32 AM
Adelaide United goalkeeper Joe Gauci incoming according to Sky.
Didnt he sing 'Shaddap yer face'?
No, but he did oversee the US response to Covid-19 so close enough.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2024, 02:49:14 AM
https://x.com/avfcjakee/status/1752439542458814669?s=46
Post by: Demitri_C on January 31, 2024, 07:12:49 AM
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Post by: JD on January 31, 2024, 07:24:35 AM
Aston Villa ‘closing in’ on Australian keeper Joe Gauci ahead of transfer window
Another Australian is set to make the move to the Premier League, with Adelaide United goalkeeper Joe Gauci reportedly on the verge of joining Aston Villa.
That is according to Sky Sports News’ Anthony Joseph, who reported on Wednesday that Villa is “closing in on signing” Gauci, who is currently at the Asian Cup with the Socceroos.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/premier-league/epl-2024-australian-joe-gauci-set-to-join-aston-villa-ahead-of-premier-league-transfer-deadline-news-updates/news-story/b4a77a25bac369fee6460a975f5bde27
Our last Australian keeper was very good so................
Good signing if we get him. Gauci is a very good young keeper and is getting better each season. I think he could be a very good signing.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 31, 2024, 09:17:34 AM
Rogers doesn't seem like a bad signing in isolation but it's a strange one to have prioritised given we only have one striker, one right back, one defensive midfielder and we are fighting for 4th while hoping to progress in two other competitions. If we really are planning to rely on Zaniolo, Hayden and Iroegbunam as cover for those positions we are taking a massive gamble.
I hoped for another Moreno in this window, not a household name but an experienced player who could come in and instantly improve us. We can't expect Rogers to be the difference between finishing 4th or 7th but other players out there could be.
The problem is that any of the players that are highly likely to make the difference between 7th and 4th are going to cost a bomb.
I think Rogers can play a part this season. But Emery is backing the squad that got us here to have a good go at keeping us here.
Was thinking similar. To upgrade on the starting XI, you are talking players who are probably in the £50m+ bracket really. What we really need at the moment are better squad options to back them up.
Righ-back remains a concern for me as I thought Matty Cash had a poor game again last night.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 31, 2024, 09:27:10 AM
Post by: aev on January 31, 2024, 10:04:04 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 31, 2024, 10:24:21 AM
We can't moan too much, looks like we are going to have spent approaching £25m in this window, with no permanent outgoings (yet).
I don't think it is a case of moaning. I think most people accept that we are hampered by FFP at the moment and definitely want to avoid the consequences of falling on the wrong side of that.
As mentioned above, RB is the only area of real concern for me, as Cash's limitations are being exposed on regular basis and moving Konsa there disrupts us too much.
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2024, 10:25:36 AM
We can't moan too much, looks like we are going to have spent approaching £25m in this window, with no permanent outgoings (yet).
Well, the initial amount is about £14.5m. £6.5m on Kosta and an initial £8m on Rogers. The other £7m is contingent on him hitting various targets you would imagine. It doesn't really feel that we've given the squad the boost it drastically needs to me.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 31, 2024, 10:27:37 AM
We can't moan too much, looks like we are going to have spent approaching £25m in this window, with no permanent outgoings (yet).
Well, the initial amount is about £14.5m. £6.5m on Kosta and an initial £8m on Rogers. The other £7m is contingent on him hitting various targets you would imagine. It doesn't really feel that we've given the squad the boost it drastically needs to me.
Plus Bozzie 2.0
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2024, 10:32:13 AM
Post by: OCD on January 31, 2024, 10:35:13 AM
Aston Villa ‘closing in’ on Australian keeper Joe Gauci ahead of transfer window
Another Australian is set to make the move to the Premier League, with Adelaide United goalkeeper Joe Gauci reportedly on the verge of joining Aston Villa.
That is according to Sky Sports News’ Anthony Joseph, who reported on Wednesday that Villa is “closing in on signing” Gauci, who is currently at the Asian Cup with the Socceroos.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/premier-league/epl-2024-australian-joe-gauci-set-to-join-aston-villa-ahead-of-premier-league-transfer-deadline-news-updates/news-story/b4a77a25bac369fee6460a975f5bde27
Our last Australian keeper was very good so................
Good signing if we get him. Gauci is a very good young keeper and is getting better each season. I think he could be a very good signing.
What's he like playing it out from the back? Are we going to need to take beta blockers in order to watch?
Post by: aev on January 31, 2024, 10:38:34 AM
But then I am sitting in an office miles away so I trust the management team know what they are doing (especially after such "flat" recent performances).
Post by: Gareth on January 31, 2024, 11:00:01 AM
I agree on the squad boost not happening, not sure it could have with that level of cash to spend particularly not having loan slots available either. More 12m-ish spent if you take of the Azaz fee. Can’t see Traore or Chambers would fetch a fee if they depart by deadline eitherWe can't moan too much, looks like we are going to have spent approaching £25m in this window, with no permanent outgoings (yet).
Well, the initial amount is about £14.5m. £6.5m on Kosta and an initial £8m on Rogers. The other £7m is contingent on him hitting various targets you would imagine. It doesn't really feel that we've given the squad the boost it drastically needs to me.
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2024, 11:01:38 AM
Can’t see Traore or Chambers would fetch a fee if they depart by deadline either
I guess at this stage we'd just be happy to get their wages off the books. Olsen too.
Post by: Gareth on January 31, 2024, 11:19:03 AM
Can’t see Traore or Chambers would fetch a fee if they depart by deadline either
I guess at this stage we'd just be happy to get their wages off the books. Olsen too.
Would add Hause to that list if he is fit enough to go out on loan or a free somewhere….
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 31, 2024, 12:20:54 PM
Adelaide United goalkeeper Joe Gauci incoming according to Sky.
Hoping Olsen is off then.
Gauchi is not much better tbh...
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 31, 2024, 12:25:32 PM
Aston Villa ‘closing in’ on Australian keeper Joe Gauci ahead of transfer window
Another Australian is set to make the move to the Premier League, with Adelaide United goalkeeper Joe Gauci reportedly on the verge of joining Aston Villa.
That is according to Sky Sports News’ Anthony Joseph, who reported on Wednesday that Villa is “closing in on signing” Gauci, who is currently at the Asian Cup with the Socceroos.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/premier-league/epl-2024-australian-joe-gauci-set-to-join-aston-villa-ahead-of-premier-league-transfer-deadline-news-updates/news-story/b4a77a25bac369fee6460a975f5bde27
Our last Australian keeper was very good so................
Good signing if we get him. Gauci is a very good young keeper and is getting better each season. I think he could be a very good signing.
What's he like playing it out from the back? Are we going to need to take beta blockers in order to watch?
I am going ti have to disagree on the good signing bit. He can be a good shotstopper, but has a simple unforced error in him every game I have watched him over the past three years. I take a keen interest in Adelaide because they produce some good young players, like Nestor Irankunda & are not afraid to throw them in at the age of 15 years old...
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2024, 12:26:59 PM
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Post by: Risso on January 31, 2024, 12:38:36 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 31, 2024, 12:57:40 PM
The better keepers in the A'League are the likes of Jamie Young & Oliver Sale.
And again, granted, he's a good shot stopper, but the amount of chances that I have seen Adelaide concede thanks to his fuck ups is too much for us to want to develop, even at the age of 23.
There were two keepers who stood out in particular from the A'League like this for me, one was Tom Glover, who is now at Boro, the other is Gauchi.
That is my opinion on the player after watching him for a few years, & I pass it on for others to do with as they like.
And while I will be irritated if we do actually sign him, obviously, I will hope to be proven wrong by the player...
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2024, 01:00:20 PM
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2024, 01:12:32 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 31, 2024, 01:15:02 PM
When have you ever seen Sinisalo or Marschall play?
I doubt he can find the time, what with watching all those Boro, Hull, FC Copenhagen and Adelaide United games.
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2024, 01:17:01 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 31, 2024, 01:22:10 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2024, 01:22:33 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 31, 2024, 01:27:32 PM
The A'League is a poor league on par with League 1 or 2.
At best, its Scottish Premier League outside of the Old Firm.
I think probably the best player playing for the national side at the moment is probably Connor Metcalfe (St Pauli) or Harry Souttar (Leicester).
The best prospect is probably Nestor Irankunda, who will be joining Bayern Munich when he turns 18. He scored a free kick on his debut at the age of 15 & has scored quite a few absolute bangers over the time that I have been watching Adelaide.
So having 2 caps for Australia in its current state, is not the same as when the likes of Bosnich, Schwarzer, etc, played.
When have you ever seen Sinisalo or Marschall play?
I have seen Sinisalo play for each of his previous three loans. I have seen Marschall play for us & for Gateshead last year.
All have been on TV, either TNT for Gateshead & Sky Sports for the others.
I don't specifically remember each of the games though, I will admit that.
The point is, Exeter City or MK Dons play at equal to or stronger levels than Adelaide Utd in the A'League.
Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy watching it early mornings at the weekends, but then I get pleasure out of any football & TNT offer MLS, Canadian, Australian, South African, youth games, womens games, Italian, French, La Liga (I think its them), etc...
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 31, 2024, 01:30:27 PM
Do you actually watch the A league, Pablo?
Yes I do. Every weekend, early mornings to about lunchtime. Adelaide are the team I enjoy watching because they are not afraid to blood young players.
I do like the way some fans slag off players before they've kicked a ball for us then come out with the old 'I hope he proves me wrong' in case they are actually wrong.
What is wrong in having an opinion based on my own eyes & then hoping to be wrong if it benefits Villa?
Its not like I want us to sign players who aren't incrdible.
When have you ever seen Sinisalo or Marschall play?
I doubt he can find the time, what with watching all those Boro, Hull, FC Copenhagen and Adelaide United games.
I watch a lot of football mate.
Post by: Dogtanian on January 31, 2024, 01:34:29 PM
The guy deserves respect if he watches A-League every week.
Absolutely. I get dizzy standing on my head for even a few minutes at a stretch, let alone 90.
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Post by: algy on January 31, 2024, 01:41:32 PM
19-year-old left back Lino Sousa incoming from Arsenal.Pass on him. I've heard he's always on the floor.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 31, 2024, 01:51:00 PM
I do like the way some fans slag off players before they've kicked a ball for us then come out with the old 'I hope he proves me wrong' in case they are actually wrong.In fairness it seems like Pablo is more qualified to comment on this transfer than most. And obviously given his opinion he would hope he's wrong.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 31, 2024, 01:55:07 PM
It does seem a little harsh to criticise a poster for speaking about a player he's seen play.
I wont lie, I am genuinely perplexed at the tone of some of the responses to my view on a player we might be purchasing that I have seen plenty of over the past three years of watching the A'League.
It's almost insulting to have people question whether I have even watched the league, never mind the player, for what seems like the disappointment over my opinion on the player.
Like I said, my opinion is out there, if anybody wants to take heed of that, then great, if not, then great.
I am past giving a fuck either way...
Post by: chrisw1 on January 31, 2024, 01:59:26 PM
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 31, 2024, 01:59:58 PM
Cup games now and again over the next few years and take over emi in 2028! Unless he turns out to be another enkelman
Post by: Demitri_C on January 31, 2024, 02:02:53 PM
Thats a shock
Post by: AV84 on January 31, 2024, 02:05:51 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 31, 2024, 02:10:49 PM
I think it was a genuine question Pab. I'm sure most of us like football on this forum but there can't be many who regularly get up early to watch the A League. That's impressive dedication.
From a chronic nerve injury, sleep is not my friend, so I tend to be up to watch games.
If anybody is interested, you can watch the kid play yourself this weekend as Adelaide Utd play Central Coast Mariners at 8:45am on TNT SPORTS 1, Saturday morning. 👍
There will be other games on over the weekend mornings too...
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 31, 2024, 02:15:06 PM
It does seem a little harsh to criticise a poster for speaking about a player he's seen play.
I wont lie, I am genuinely perplexed at the tone of some of the responses to my view on a player we might be purchasing that I have seen plenty of over the past three years of watching the A'League.
It's almost insulting to have people question whether I have even watched the league, never mind the player, for what seems like the disappointment over my opinion on the player.
Like I said, my opinion is out there, if anybody wants to take heed of that, then great, if not, then great.
I am past giving a fuck either way...
I wouldnt worry about it , just get yourself on the books for scouting :D
Post by: chrisw1 on January 31, 2024, 02:18:17 PM
I suspect he won't play unless we're loaning him back?I think it was a genuine question Pab. I'm sure most of us like football on this forum but there can't be many who regularly get up early to watch the A League. That's impressive dedication.
From a chronic nerve injury, sleep is not my friend, so I tend to be up to watch games.
If anybody is interested, you can watch the kid play yourself this weekend as Adelaide Utd play Central Coast Mariners at 8:45am on TNT SPORTS 1, Saturday morning. 👍
There will be other games on over the weekend mornings too...
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 31, 2024, 02:25:49 PM
It does seem a little harsh to criticise a poster for speaking about a player he's seen play.
I wont lie, I am genuinely perplexed at the tone of some of the responses to my view on a player we might be purchasing that I have seen plenty of over the past three years of watching the A'League.
It's almost insulting to have people question whether I have even watched the league, never mind the player, for what seems like the disappointment over my opinion on the player.
Like I said, my opinion is out there, if anybody wants to take heed of that, then great, if not, then great.
I am past giving a fuck either way...
I wouldnt worry about it , just get yourself on the books for scouting :D
If I was, I would have had us pick up Nestor Irankunda from Adelaide Utd when he was 15, lol...
Although I think the rules don't allow him to leave until he is 18, (Im not 100% sure), but an agreement with a loan back could have been an option.
Bayern Munich have him when he turns 18 now though...
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2024, 04:17:49 PM
I suppose Emery said nobody would be coming in after Morgan Rogers, who hasn't actually arrived yet, so he wasn't lying.
That's the kind of logic that destroys marriages.
Post by: VillaTim on January 31, 2024, 04:50:59 PM
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2024, 05:09:06 PM
what channel is the A league even on and what unearthly hour do the games come on . Sounds like a form of torture
pablo_picasso literally answers those questions five posts above yours.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 31, 2024, 05:11:13 PM
what channel is the A league even on and what unearthly hour do the games come on . Sounds like a form of torture
It's on TNT Sports 1, 2, 3 & 4.
On Saturday they start at 6am. There are also games around 9am & 11am.
The times vary though, depending on their KO time. Sometimes their games have big delays due to some pretty hectic weather.
I am usually awake at match times due to sleep issues from a chronic nerve injury, but I mostly enjoy the games because I have absolutely nothing riding on them.
So it's easy watching, with no underlying thoughts about how it will affect The Villa.
That is the reason why I would pick a non league game on TV if it's a straight choice between Premier League or non league.
It's also the same reason why I enjoy NFL so much.
What I don't understand is why it surprises some people so much that someone can enjoy watching football other than Villa.
Thinking of it as "torture" is very strange.
My thinking is, if you don't like it, then don't watch it.
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2024, 05:14:23 PM
I do like the way some fans slag off players before they've kicked a ball for us then come out with the old 'I hope he proves me wrong' in case they are actually wrong.In fairness it seems like Pablo is more qualified to comment on this transfer than most. And obviously given his opinion he would hope he's wrong.
I just found it a bit odd that someones comes out with 'Jesus Christ, this guy is an absolute disaster waiting to happen' then follows it up with 'but I hope he proves me wrong. 😀
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 31, 2024, 05:21:34 PM
I do like the way some fans slag off players before they've kicked a ball for us then come out with the old 'I hope he proves me wrong' in case they are actually wrong.In fairness it seems like Pablo is more qualified to comment on this transfer than most. And obviously given his opinion he would hope he's wrong.
I just found it a bit odd that someones comes out with 'Jesus Christ, this guy is an absolute disaster waiting to happen' then follows it up with 'but I hope he proves me wrong. 😀
Why?
I am merely stating my honest opinion of the player but that I don't want him to be shit for Villa.
What other words would you like me to use to express that feeling?
Its not a "get out clause" for my opinion, because I am not in the business of playing one upmanship games.
If I am wrong, & he turns into a world beater, I will accept that I am wrong.
And I will be fucking happy to do so too, if it benefits Villa.
There are plenty of examples of me doing that on this forum...
Maybe you could respond to me directly this time, instead of calling me "someone" & then directly quoting me, after ignoring my other post to you.
Common courtesy & all that...
Post by: VillaTim on January 31, 2024, 05:29:17 PM
Thanks and he's posted the channels below now.what channel is the A league even on and what unearthly hour do the games come on . Sounds like a form of torture
pablo_picasso literally answers those questions five posts above yours.
Must be a tough watch. I tried watching the MLS when i was over in Spain and bored , absolute tripe , couldn't watch for long as the standard was so poor .
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2024, 05:29:28 PM
Post by: Gareth on January 31, 2024, 05:37:19 PM
Post by: ROBBO on January 31, 2024, 05:56:51 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2024, 06:01:41 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 31, 2024, 06:11:32 PM
I suppose Emery said nobody would be coming in after Morgan Rogers, who hasn't actually arrived yet, so he wasn't lying.
That's the kind of logic that destroys marriages.
Not necessarily, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman".
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 31, 2024, 06:19:25 PM
We get it on TV here once in a while. It’s a lot like early MLS. Mostly absolutely dreadful football with players many will never hear of. MLS has improved but you still get many games that the quality is brutal to watch and sit through. I can’t imagine what A league is like if you are committing to it. That’s some serious patience.
You say MLS has improved since its inception but have you noticed a recent upturn since they’ve appeared to buy more high profile up and coming South American players, notably from Argentina? From afar players like Barco and Almada haven’t set the world alight despite moving for big money. Barco is back in Argentina now.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2024, 06:47:17 PM
We get it on TV here once in a while. It’s a lot like early MLS. Mostly absolutely dreadful football with players many will never hear of. MLS has improved but you still get many games that the quality is brutal to watch and sit through. I can’t imagine what A league is like if you are committing to it. That’s some serious patience.
You say MLS has improved since its inception but have you noticed a recent upturn since they’ve appeared to buy more high profile up and coming South American players, notably from Argentina? From afar players like Barco and Almada haven’t set the world alight despite moving for big money. Barco is back in Argentina now.
Unlike past iterations of football in the US, they have done a decent job building a more solid base. They obviously added in ways to bring in better talent over the years but the foundations are a lot more sustainable long term. There is a bit of disparity in markets that can attract certain players, but every team gets to use the designated player rule. Case in point Sporting Kansas City made a serious approach to Ronaldo last year before he headed to Saudi Arabia. But the grass roots of the game and the access to central and South America has helped progress the league. The players coming in are really quite good now especially from countries in that part of the world.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 31, 2024, 10:36:51 PM
We get it on TV here once in a while. It’s a lot like early MLS. Mostly absolutely dreadful football with players many will never hear of. MLS has improved but you still get many games that the quality is brutal to watch and sit through. I can’t imagine what A league is like if you are committing to it. That’s some serious patience.
You say MLS has improved since its inception but have you noticed a recent upturn since they’ve appeared to buy more high profile up and coming South American players, notably from Argentina? From afar players like Barco and Almada haven’t set the world alight despite moving for big money. Barco is back in Argentina now.
Unlike past iterations of football in the US, they have done a decent job building a more solid base. They obviously added in ways to bring in better talent over the years but the foundations are a lot more sustainable long term. There is a bit of disparity in markets that can attract certain players, but every team gets to use the designated player rule. Case in point Sporting Kansas City made a serious approach to Ronaldo last year before he headed to Saudi Arabia. But the grass roots of the game and the access to central and South America has helped progress the league. The players coming in are really quite good now especially from countries in that part of the world.
I didn’t realise Ronaldo had been approached. I think the plan of connecting or concentrating more on players from South America is a good one. Technical, exciting players who appeal to the large Hispanic population, the majority are good value and it’s a stepping stone to Europe for the better ones and the clubs can make money to reinvest. I’m not sure it’s quite worked like that yet but it’s quite early in the process.
Post by: tomd2103 on February 01, 2024, 12:19:50 AM
We get it on TV here once in a while. It’s a lot like early MLS. Mostly absolutely dreadful football with players many will never hear of. MLS has improved but you still get many games that the quality is brutal to watch and sit through. I can’t imagine what A league is like if you are committing to it. That’s some serious patience.
You say MLS has improved since its inception but have you noticed a recent upturn since they’ve appeared to buy more high profile up and coming South American players, notably from Argentina? From afar players like Barco and Almada haven’t set the world alight despite moving for big money. Barco is back in Argentina now.
Unlike past iterations of football in the US, they have done a decent job building a more solid base. They obviously added in ways to bring in better talent over the years but the foundations are a lot more sustainable long term. There is a bit of disparity in markets that can attract certain players, but every team gets to use the designated player rule. Case in point Sporting Kansas City made a serious approach to Ronaldo last year before he headed to Saudi Arabia. But the grass roots of the game and the access to central and South America has helped progress the league. The players coming in are really quite good now especially from countries in that part of the world.
I spent some time in the US a few years ago now and always felt that they got it somewhat wrong in trying to expand the number of MLS teams. I still think they should have built a bigger professional league structure below the MLS and kept the MLS as a smaller league based in the most desirable locations in order to attract top players. That way they wouldn't dilute the quality of the league that much.
Add a window in to play the Premier League and other top European teams in their pre-season and potentially look at a tournament with top Mexican teams..
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 01, 2024, 07:27:10 AM
Most countries have amateur clubs and leagues, not so in the US.
The best you can hope for is a pick up game where groups meet in parks and organise a game.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 01, 2024, 07:33:58 AM
We get it on TV here once in a while. It’s a lot like early MLS. Mostly absolutely dreadful football with players many will never hear of. MLS has improved but you still get many games that the quality is brutal to watch and sit through. I can’t imagine what A league is like if you are committing to it. That’s some serious patience.
You say MLS has improved since its inception but have you noticed a recent upturn since they’ve appeared to buy more high profile up and coming South American players, notably from Argentina? From afar players like Barco and Almada haven’t set the world alight despite moving for big money. Barco is back in Argentina now.
Unlike past iterations of football in the US, they have done a decent job building a more solid base. They obviously added in ways to bring in better talent over the years but the foundations are a lot more sustainable long term. There is a bit of disparity in markets that can attract certain players, but every team gets to use the designated player rule. Case in point Sporting Kansas City made a serious approach to Ronaldo last year before he headed to Saudi Arabia. But the grass roots of the game and the access to central and South America has helped progress the league. The players coming in are really quite good now especially from countries in that part of the world.
I spent some time in the US a few years ago now and always felt that they got it somewhat wrong in trying to expand the number of MLS teams. I still think they should have built a bigger professional league structure below the MLS and kept the MLS as a smaller league based in the most desirable locations in order to attract top players. That way they wouldn't dilute the quality of the league that much.
Add a window in to play the Premier League and other top European teams in their pre-season and potentially look at a tournament with top Mexican teams..
The top Mexican teams are doing fine as they are.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 01, 2024, 08:13:43 AM
Post by: AV82EC on February 01, 2024, 09:18:22 AM
Mexican and US teams play each other anyway, dont they, in some competition?
Yep Concacaf have their own version of the Champs League don’t they?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 01, 2024, 09:44:59 AM
Mexican and US teams play each other anyway, dont they, in some competition?
Yep Concacaf have their own version of the Champs League don’t they?
I believe so, which means there's no reason for Mexican teams to prop up the MLS.
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 01, 2024, 09:51:04 AM
The problem in the US is that there is nothing between college football/ soccer and the MLS.
Most countries have amateur clubs and leagues, not so in the US.
The best you can hope for is a pick up game where groups meet in parks and organise a game.
Friend of mine from Texas (by his account) was a good High School American Football tight end. Didn't get picked up by a college and has not played a competitive game of American Football since 2004 when he finished school
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2024, 09:51:08 AM
Aston Villa have agreed a deal to sign highly-rated West Bromwich Albion midfielder Keilan Quinn for a fee worth around £1m.
The 16-year-old will join Villa's under-16 side with the plan being for him to become a scholar next season.
Quinn has scored one goal and provided one assist in ten appearances for West Brom's under-18 side this season.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 01, 2024, 09:58:28 AM
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2024, 10:02:11 AM
I don't know why kids bother signing for West Brom, just save the time and come here and if they are no good they can go there afterward.
That’s what should have been happening for the last 15 years, our academy recruitment was not as good as theirs, which is why we poached most of their academy team like Harrison to bridge the gap
Post by: chrisw1 on February 01, 2024, 10:02:25 AM
Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2024, 10:03:00 AM
It's taking the piss a bit now. West Brom must be fuming.
Are they ever anything else?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 01, 2024, 10:06:57 AM
I don't know why kids bother signing for West Brom, just save the time and come here and if they are no good they can go there afterward.
That’s what should have been happening for the last 15 years, our academy recruitment was not as good as theirs, which is why we poached most of their academy team like Harrison to bridge the gap
Absolutely, we should be hoovering up all the really good local talent, and that includes players at other, small local clubs like Albion.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 01, 2024, 10:08:25 AM
It's taking the piss a bit now. West Brom must be fuming.
Great isn't it?
'It ay fair Tom, can I have a Bronx hat?'
Post by: Rotterdam on February 01, 2024, 10:12:23 AM
From the Athletic (how dare they be all over it)
Aston Villa have agreed a deal to sign highly-rated West Bromwich Albion midfielder Keilan Quinn for a fee worth around £1m.
The 16-year-old will join Villa's under-16 side with the plan being for him to become a scholar next season.
Quinn has scored one goal and provided one assist in ten appearances for West Brom's under-18 side this season.
Another one bites the dust at WBA...A decent CM, who was held in high regard.
Post by: London Villan on February 01, 2024, 10:36:10 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 01, 2024, 10:58:19 AM
I don't know why kids bother signing for West Brom, just save the time and come here and if they are no good they can go there afterward.
My parents' former neighbours lad had the chance to sign for West Brom but he refused as he was Villa mad. He must be kicking himself now. I guess a few years back West Brom weren't our official Feeder Club.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 01, 2024, 11:45:14 AM
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2024, 11:48:06 AM
Chambers possibly on his way to WBA. Poor sod.
Are we swapping him for Lino?
Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2024, 11:50:21 AM
Chambers possibly on his way to WBA. Poor sod.
Are we swapping him for Lino?
They're chucking in some laminate floor as well.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 01, 2024, 12:56:18 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2024, 01:05:25 PM
Hull now in for Chambers apparently
Hope they're generous after we let them have Philogene for a song.
Post by: Richard on February 01, 2024, 01:11:20 PM
Post by: Risso on February 01, 2024, 01:17:20 PM
I like this strategy with FFP restrictions of signing players in the 16 to 23 age range. If they don't work out its no big deal, if they do it keeps the squad on the young side. We don't have too many players 30 or older do we?
Martinez, Carlos, Digne, Mings, Moreno
Post by: Dogtanian on February 01, 2024, 01:52:08 PM
It's taking the piss a bit now. West Brom must be fuming.
They're the 70s Xerox PARC of modern football.
:-X
Post by: VillaTim on February 01, 2024, 01:56:15 PM
I like this strategy with FFP restrictions of signing players in the 16 to 23 age range. If they don't work out its no big deal, if they do it keeps the squad on the young side. We don't have too many players 30 or older do we?its a good sustainable approach but unlikely to get the dust out of the trophy cabinet
Post by: Londonvilla on February 01, 2024, 02:04:09 PM
According to SportBild via SportWitness, Aston Villa are keen on further bolstering their squad in the near future and they have their eyes set on Exequiel Palacios. The 25-year-old has been in sensational form in the ongoing season and his performances have attracted a lot of attention from across Europe.
https://thehardtackle.com/transfer-news/2024/02/01/aston-villa-interested-in-signing-exequiel-palacios/
Let's just buy Leverkusen and West Brom
Post by: Villatillidie25 on February 01, 2024, 02:35:01 PM
Unai Emery’s Aston Villa are keen on having the 25-year-old Bayer Leverkusen star Exequiel Palacios in their ranks.
According to SportBild via SportWitness, Aston Villa are keen on further bolstering their squad in the near future and they have their eyes set on Exequiel Palacios. The 25-year-old has been in sensational form in the ongoing season and his performances have attracted a lot of attention from across Europe.
https://thehardtackle.com/transfer-news/2024/02/01/aston-villa-interested-in-signing-exequiel-palacios/
Let's just buy Leverkusen and West Brom
Good player. just think he'd be a replacement for Luiz
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2024, 02:47:33 PM
I like this strategy with FFP restrictions of signing players in the 16 to 23 age range. If they don't work out its no big deal, if they do it keeps the squad on the young side. We don't have too many players 30 or older do we?its a good sustainable approach but unlikely to get the dust out of the trophy cabinet
To be fair the opposite approach hasn’t resulted in Mr Sheen being needed much either
Post by: Villa Lew on February 01, 2024, 04:46:09 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 01, 2024, 04:49:29 PM
I like this strategy with FFP restrictions of signing players in the 16 to 23 age range. If they don't work out its no big deal, if they do it keeps the squad on the young side. We don't have too many players 30 or older do we?its a good sustainable approach but unlikely to get the dust out of the trophy cabinet
To be fair the opposite approach hasn’t resulted in Mr Sheen being needed much either
His Clough was excellent. I reckon his Emery would be even better.
Post by: VillaTim on February 01, 2024, 05:08:22 PM
That Sir , is a very fair point, and well made.I like this strategy with FFP restrictions of signing players in the 16 to 23 age range. If they don't work out its no big deal, if they do it keeps the squad on the young side. We don't have too many players 30 or older do we?its a good sustainable approach but unlikely to get the dust out of the trophy cabinet
To be fair the opposite approach hasn’t resulted in Mr Sheen being needed much either
Post by: Ian. on February 01, 2024, 05:44:59 PM
I like this strategy with FFP restrictions of signing players in the 16 to 23 age range. If they don't work out its no big deal, if they do it keeps the squad on the young side. We don't have too many players 30 or older do we?its a good sustainable approach but unlikely to get the dust out of the trophy cabinet
To be fair the opposite approach hasn’t resulted in Mr Sheen being needed much either
I like this idea, just as long as it’s not the young and hungry approach Lambert took.
Post by: pablo_picasso on February 01, 2024, 06:04:14 PM
Post by: The Man With A Stick on February 01, 2024, 07:02:11 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 01, 2024, 07:04:59 PM
wasn,'t it DOL, or was that the honest bunch of ladsI like this strategy with FFP restrictions of signing players in the 16 to 23 age range. If they don't work out its no big deal, if they do it keeps the squad on the young side. We don't have too many players 30 or older do we?its a good sustainable approach but unlikely to get the dust out of the trophy cabinet
To be fair the opposite approach hasn’t resulted in Mr Sheen being needed much either
I like this idea, just as long as it’s not the young and hungry approach Lambert took.
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2024, 07:36:00 PM
Bertie T off to Villarreal apparently.
Good move for him. Emery must have given them a great reference.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 01, 2024, 08:28:40 PM
I'll have to continue getting used to these kind of moves and they getting announced as if its some big deal.
They merely seem to have little relevance to the first team right now and are being picked up for monetary benefit.
It's just annoying as now it makes little interest to me when we are signing a young, highly rated player when they just get sent off on loan and in all probability never used in first team.
It's like a completely separate entity.
Post by: VillaTim on February 01, 2024, 08:30:47 PM
Regards the young players all being signed from academy well these are asset signings and it appears they are just signed with the idea of selling them in a few seasons.MoneyBall !
I'll have to continue getting used to these kind of moves and they getting announced as if its some big deal.
They merely seem to have little relevance to the first team right now and are being picked up for monetary benefit.
All well and good it's just annoying how it makes any interest to signing a young highly rated player when they just get sent off on loan.
Post by: Dogtanian on February 01, 2024, 08:40:05 PM
Regards the young players all being signed from academy well these are asset signings and it appears they are just signed with the idea of selling them in a few seasons.
I'll have to continue getting used to these kind of moves and they getting announced as if its some big deal.
They merely seem to have little relevance to the first team right now and are being picked up for monetary benefit.
It's just annoying as now it makes little interest to me when we are signing a young, highly rated player when they just get sent off on loan and in all probability never used in first team.
It's like a completely separate entity.
It is - the academy! You can see from the press release whether its the first team or an academy signing.
They get loaned out for development and to assess their ability, as well as to put themselves in the shop window.
We are trying to compete at the top end of the Premier League, it would be a little optimistic to expect all these prospects to get to that level in the next few years.
Post by: Villatillidie25 on February 01, 2024, 08:40:44 PM
Regards the young players all being signed from academy well these are asset signings and it appears they are just signed with the idea of selling them in a few seasons.
I'll have to continue getting used to these kind of moves and they getting announced as if its some big deal.
They merely seem to have little relevance to the first team right now and are being picked up for monetary benefit.
It's just annoying as now it makes little interest to me when we are signing a young, highly rated player when they just get sent off on loan and in all probability never used in first team.
It's like a completely separate entity.
I don’t think the Villa will buy someone they think stands no chance of making it into the first team. It’s just, at their age, there’s pretty fine lines between making it and not. If we can be more savvy and turn a profit on the guys that don’t quite make it rather than have them knocking around for years doing not a lot like Davis then all the better.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 01, 2024, 08:45:34 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 01, 2024, 08:57:16 PM
Regards the young players all being signed from academy well these are asset signings and it appears they are just signed with the idea of selling them in a few seasons.
I'll have to continue getting used to these kind of moves and they getting announced as if its some big deal.
They merely seem to have little relevance to the first team right now and are being picked up for monetary benefit.
It's just annoying as now it makes little interest to me when we are signing a young, highly rated player when they just get sent off on loan and in all probability never used in first team.
It's like a completely separate entity.
I don’t think the Villa will buy someone they think stands no chance of making it into the first team. It’s just, at their age, there’s pretty fine lines between making it and not. If we can be more savvy and turn a profit on the guys that don’t quite make it rather than have them knocking around for years doing not a lot like Davis then all the better.
Too right.
Buying and selling players who never really play for us, that's something all big clubs do, and something we need to do more of.
Azaz, for example, picked up for fuck all from Albion, probably had to punch the postcode for BMH into his satnav every time he went there, it was so infrequently, sold on for 2.5m.
In the background, we effectively need to be buying and trading players even with the knowledge they'll almost certainly never play for us with any regularity, if there's money to be made, it all counts.
I see Man City just sold some 12 year old to Newcastle, for example, for 15m or something stupid. They sold Trafford to Burnley for similar. We sold Archer for even more than that, and Aaron Ramsey for 14, another who'd not really ever played for us.
It all goes towards funding players who do play for us.
Post by: Risso on February 01, 2024, 09:42:57 PM
If the purchases fall outside FFP calculations then it is an area where we can go big, most other clubs will not have the luxury of our wealthy owners. Arguably it is an area we have a competitive advantage.
They don't fall outside of FFP though.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 01, 2024, 09:43:55 PM
Post by: dave shelley on February 01, 2024, 09:49:48 PM
It's hard to be too thrilled on their behalf because these young players are essentially going to be sold so that money can be made to buy elite ready first team players.
You don't know that though do you Footy? Any one of these kids could turn out to be an elite footballer at 17/18 years of age.
Post by: villadelph on February 01, 2024, 09:53:04 PM
It's hard to be too thrilled on their behalf because these young players are essentially going to be sold so that money can be made to buy elite ready first team players.
I find it more of a motivating factor than anything. These kids know how difficult it is to come through the academy and earn a contract. The fact that they are at an established Premier League Club means they're one first team injury or an overly-congested schedule away from an opportunity at the very top of the game.
Post by: Dogtanian on February 01, 2024, 09:53:46 PM
It's hard to be too thrilled on their behalf because these young players are essentially going to be sold so that money can be made to buy elite ready first team players.
You don't know that though do you Footy? Any one of these kids could turn out to be an elite footballer at 17/18 years of age.
Exactly. It’s hedging our bets.
We hope they will be amazing and eventually able to compete for us at the top, but we have the reassurance that we stand a good chance of at least getting our money back if they don’t hit those heights.
The reality is we can’t buy elite ready-made players in our current position. But these deals help us use the money we have got as effectively as possible.
Post by: Dogtanian on February 01, 2024, 09:58:34 PM
It's hard to be too thrilled on their behalf because these young players are essentially going to be sold so that money can be made to buy elite ready first team players.
I find it more of a motivating factor than anything. These kids know how difficult it is to come through the academy and earn a contract. The fact that they are at an established Premier League Club means they're one first team injury or an overly-congested schedule away from an opportunity at the very top of the game.
Yes, plus they’re giving themselves a bit of security. Take Azaz, he could have signed for a league two team on a free from WBA. Instead he signed for us and was loaned out to them instead.
His contract with us meant he probably earned more and had a safety net and better medical support in case of injury. And he was able to move from league two, to one, to the Championship in successive seasons much more easily than he could have done if he’d signed a contract with them.
He’s a great example of a young player using our academy to his advantage while also helping us out financially.
Post by: Steve67 on February 01, 2024, 10:25:21 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 01, 2024, 11:00:16 PM
Tim Iroegbunam is 20 now and I think he should be utilised second half of the season. Certainly Emery said he'll use him to contest with Kamara
Post by: LeonW on February 01, 2024, 11:11:57 PM
Regards the young players all being signed from academy well these are asset signings and it appears they are just signed with the idea of selling them in a few seasons.
I'll have to continue getting used to these kind of moves and they getting announced as if its some big deal.
They merely seem to have little relevance to the first team right now and are being picked up for monetary benefit.
It's just annoying as now it makes little interest to me when we are signing a young, highly rated player when they just get sent off on loan and in all probability never used in first team.
It's like a completely separate entity.
I get where you’re coming from, Footy. This just seems to be the way of things generally and we do need to do something to give us more of a chance with the restrictions we have to work to.
Some of these players could make it but I have to agree also that some have very likely just been bought with a view to selling them at a profit and may never play for us.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 01, 2024, 11:56:22 PM
It's hard to be too thrilled on their behalf because these young players are essentially going to be sold so that money can be made to buy elite ready first team players.
You don't know that though do you Footy? Any one of these kids could turn out to be an elite footballer at 17/18 years of age.
Agreed, Dave but they don't even have to be elite, they need to be able to deliver for the team. Apart from Sid Cowans who obviously was elite, Gary Williams and Colin Gibson are two examples of players that were brilliant for Villa and when moved on, never really hit the same level.
My guess is Unai is in a hurry, he's not interested in building long term, he wants success as soon as possible and will be ruthless to achieve his objective. As Man U showed again tonight, you don't win anything with kids.
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2024, 12:38:07 AM
Quote
Olympique Lyonnais were delighted to welcome Saïd Benrahma to Lyon this Thursday to finalize his transfer from West Ham. The two clubs had signed a temporary transfer agreement, and Olympique Lyonnais had obtained approval from the DNCG to allow the transfer to take place smoothly and transparently.
However, at the start of the evening, while Olympique Lyonnais had entered all the administrative data on the dedicated FIFA platform (FIFA TMS), West Ham had never launched the slightest technical procedure on its part, despite the repeated reminders from the OL and continuous mutual telephone communication.
In the absence of this reciprocal action on the part of the English club and following this incomprehensible behavior, raising questions, the international transfer certificate could not be requested before closing time.
Olympique Lyonnais deeply regrets this situation and this decision, demonstrating a profound lack of respect on the part of West Ham towards the Institution and the player.
The club reserves the right to undertake all appropriate procedures necessary to validate the transaction at a later date, and to hold West Ham responsible if necessary.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2024, 06:06:44 AM
Yeh, but other than that :oIf the purchases fall outside FFP calculations then it is an area where we can go big, most other clubs will not have the luxury of our wealthy owners. Arguably it is an area we have a competitive advantage.
They don't fall outside of FFP though.
Post by: Dogtanian on February 02, 2024, 06:33:54 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68174872 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68174872)
Post by: Dogtanian on February 02, 2024, 08:53:06 AM
https://theathletic.com/5226724/2024/02/02/aston-villa-transfer-window-news/ (https://theathletic.com/5226724/2024/02/02/aston-villa-transfer-window-news/)
"Duran’s situation appears unstable unless both parties fully commit to one another while Zaniolo will likely return to Galatasaray upon the expiration of his loan."
Post by: chrisw1 on February 02, 2024, 08:59:41 AM
I see from Footy's thread that the majority seem to now be predicting approx 6th place finish, which is a huge swing over 4-5 weeks. That's where I have been for a while now and this window doesn't change that.
Post by: Risso on February 02, 2024, 09:03:34 AM
A very strange window when we're pushing for top 4/5. We have invested in the future with three young potentially exciting players (+ keeper) which is obviously a good thing, but given the opportunity in front of us here and now it's a surprise we haven't bolstered the first team.
I see from Footy's thread that the majority seem to now be predicting approx 6th place finish, which is a huge swing over 4-5 weeks. That's where I have been for a while now and this window doesn't change that.
For the money spent on a team that finished 7th, after being in the relegation places at the start of the season, that would be a bit disappointing. As you say, it's a bit of a surprise that we haven't really improved the first team. We might not get an opportunity like this again.
Post by: Smithy on February 02, 2024, 09:14:21 AM
I'm disappointed we haven't built on the first genuine position of strength we've had in years, but I also understand we might not have been able to, regardless of how much we wanted to.
It doesn't bode well for the summer, which makes me think a big sale of an important player might be on the cards to help strengthen the squad elsewhere. I've also seen people mentioning that the third year of a FFP numbers (the one that drops off the calculation on 30th June) was actually a pretty big loss, so we might find ourselves in a much better financial position in the coming window. Who knows? I get why it's all so opaque, but it's very frustrating.
Post by: cdward on February 02, 2024, 11:07:41 AM
It's not as if everyone else has been on a spending spree and we haven't, so it's basically carry on as before.
Just need to integrate a few of the younger players in (KKH, Tim I) in case they are needed.
Post by: Rigadon on February 02, 2024, 11:20:27 AM
We are in the same boat as everyone else.
It's not as if everyone else has been on a spending spree and we haven't, so it's basically carry on as before.
Just need to integrate a few of the younger players in (KKH, Tim I) in case they are needed.
True, except for those clubs who have enriched themselves via spending massive amounts on players before the rules came into effect and / or flauting said rules. We all know who they are and we all know it's going to take yet more eons to correct (and probably never will fully).
Post by: simboy on February 02, 2024, 11:22:06 AM
Post by: Risso on February 02, 2024, 11:28:48 AM
We are in the same boat as everyone else.
It's not as if everyone else has been on a spending spree and we haven't, so it's basically carry on as before.
Just need to integrate a few of the younger players in (KKH, Tim I) in case they are needed.
Most of the teams we're competing with have better forward options than us though. We've got one proper striker in Watkins, Liverpool have got about 26.
Post by: Drummond on February 02, 2024, 09:28:09 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 02, 2024, 09:55:04 PM
An article in The Athletic about our window, though nothing very much surprising;
https://theathletic.com/5226724/2024/02/02/aston-villa-transfer-window-news/ (https://theathletic.com/5226724/2024/02/02/aston-villa-transfer-window-news/)
"Duran’s situation appears unstable unless both parties fully commit to one another while Zaniolo will likely return to Galatasaray upon the expiration of his loan."
I think Morgan was bought to replace both of these players as a kinda super sub.
Post by: Dogtanian on February 02, 2024, 09:56:55 PM
An article in The Athletic about our window, though nothing very much surprising;
https://theathletic.com/5226724/2024/02/02/aston-villa-transfer-window-news/ (https://theathletic.com/5226724/2024/02/02/aston-villa-transfer-window-news/)
"Duran’s situation appears unstable unless both parties fully commit to one another while Zaniolo will likely return to Galatasaray upon the expiration of his loan."
I think Morgan was bought to replace both of these players as a kinda super sub.
Yeah, I definitely see Morgan as being an alternative to Zaniolo and has the potential to develop into a Watkins cover also. We will see!
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2024, 11:32:35 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 03, 2024, 12:20:56 AM
Is that educated-guesswork re Zaniolo returning to Gala or has he got a source indicating as much?
I’d say it’s nailed on. We’d be mad to make it permanent at about £30m.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 03, 2024, 12:28:47 AM
Is that educated-guesswork re Zaniolo returning to Gala or has he got a source indicating as much?
I’d say it’s nailed on. We’d be mad to make it permanent at about £30m.
Absolutely, no fucking way could anyone, least of all transfer Capo dei Capi Monchi, look at what he's done so far and think, "yeah, let's drop 30m on that".
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 06, 2024, 05:04:58 AM
Transfer window closed, doesn’t open up til July, so points deduction incoming then.
Post by: LeonW on February 06, 2024, 06:24:27 AM
I think Olsen, Digne, Chambers, Zaniola and Cash all leaving next summer. Coutinho we would love to shift but I can’t see there being any takers. Duran possibly also on the way out.
Post by: Mister E on February 06, 2024, 07:41:13 AM
Some of these kids we have better come good, and quick!
Post by: nigel on February 06, 2024, 08:29:21 AM
Might be a few pages back so I haven’t checked, but was it on this thread that the Ornstein story appeared, in which he said we must sell before June to comply with FFP?
Transfer window closed, doesn’t open up til July, so points deduction incoming then.
Again, might be a few pages back, but wasn’t it you who mentioned that we drop £99m off which gives us a big boost, regarding FFP?
Sorry if it wasn’t you, but definitely read it on here.
Post by: Gareth on February 06, 2024, 08:51:21 AM
Might be a few pages back so I haven’t checked, but was it on this thread that the Ornstein story appeared, in which he said we must sell before June to comply with FFP?Last summer the window opened mid June - sure the comment was by the end of June so there is time.
Transfer window closed, doesn’t open up til July, so points deduction incoming then.
There will be a lot watching Everton / Forest cases to see what punishment is dished out eventually to see whether it is worth just breaching it or whether to cut cloth accordingly.
PL being PL and with an awareness that the Man City case needs addressing I fully expect them to bottle the punishments…maybe give 5 points per offence to Everton / Forest so that overall Everton’s 10 points stands. Put them both in a battle with Luton for the last relegation slot, knowing full well that Luton won’t have the legal resources to challenge if they go down
Post by: chrisw1 on February 06, 2024, 08:57:25 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on February 06, 2024, 09:11:48 AM
I would be amazed if we have to sell before mid July. Surely we wouldn't have signed 4 future prospects if the transfer fees would tip us over the edge (or taken us further over the edge). Non of those transfers were essential and non are likely to have a significant impact this season. I just don't believe we would have left ourselves in the same compromised position that Forest were with Johnson.
Exactly. And as all of those happened after journalists started saying we had to sell points towards this too. You'd be pretty dumb to buy a player for next season now when you were already overspent for FFP this season.
Post by: brontebilly on February 06, 2024, 09:19:28 AM
Is that educated-guesswork re Zaniolo returning to Gala or has he got a source indicating as much?
Probably watched his cameo against Newcastle. Zaniolo has a top pedigree but really has shown very little for us. Another one like Duran that needs to start with correcting his attitude and go from there.
Post by: Monty on February 06, 2024, 09:22:53 AM
Is that educated-guesswork re Zaniolo returning to Gala or has he got a source indicating as much?
Probably watched his cameo against Newcastle. Zaniolo has a top pedigree but really has shown very little for us. Another one like Duran that needs to start with correcting his attitude and go from there.
Different personality issues but ultimately, yes, he's got a between-the-ears issue. Duran looks petulant and wild, Zaniolo looks like someone ripped his self-confidence off with velcro.
Post by: Drummond on February 06, 2024, 09:30:15 AM
The charges can't be helping either.
Post by: Risso on February 06, 2024, 09:50:54 AM
Might be a few pages back so I haven’t checked, but was it on this thread that the Ornstein story appeared, in which he said we must sell before June to comply with FFP?
Transfer window closed, doesn’t open up til July, so points deduction incoming then.
I haven't seen the story, but it doesn't sound right to me. Firstly, our accounting date is 31 May, so anything in June will be in next year's accounts and therefore almost unknowable at this stage in terms of profit and loss. Secondly, anything we do up to May 31, well the accounts don't need to be in until next year, and who knows what else they've got in there. There are all sorts of unknowns at this stage, such as final league placing reward money, FA Cup run and Euro Conference run. Also, why were we buying the likes of Rogers and the right back if we were that skint that we HAD to sell?
Unless I've completely misunderstood the point which is entirely possible!
Post by: chrisw1 on February 06, 2024, 10:01:32 AM
I think Zaniolo is a good player, but his head needs sorting, and he needs to calm. I'd hope this injury allows him time to get himself together, that Emery et al put their arm round his shoulder and help him.I suspect it's too late for him now, but I agree I think he'll come good in time. Probably just not for us.
The charges can't be helping either.
Post by: paul_e on February 06, 2024, 10:03:20 AM
Might be a few pages back so I haven’t checked, but was it on this thread that the Ornstein story appeared, in which he said we must sell before June to comply with FFP?
Transfer window closed, doesn’t open up til July, so points deduction incoming then.
I haven't seen the story, but it doesn't sound right to me. Firstly, our accounting date is 31 May, so anything in June will be in next year's accounts and therefore almost unknowable at this stage in terms of profit and loss. Secondly, anything we do up to May 31, well the accounts don't need to be in until next year, and who knows what else they've got in there. There are all sorts of unknowns at this stage, such as final league placing reward money, FA Cup run and Euro Conference run. Also, why were we buying the likes of Rogers and the right back if we were that skint that we HAD to sell?
Unless I've completely misunderstood the point which is entirely possible!
I don't know any details but there's been talk of changes to how clubs have to report things for FFP/P&S to ensure punishments for breeches can be applied in the same season or at least much sooner.
There's a section here about it - https://theathletic.com/5198425/2024/01/13/premier-league-ffp-financial-fair-play/ - key bit quoted below:
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Previously, if a P&S assessment recorded a loss in excess of the £15million limit over three years, clubs had to provide future financial information for the next two seasons by March 31, before submitting their evidence of secure funding to cover the losses.
But this timeline made it difficult for potential serious breaches to be dealt with in the same season.
Under new guidelines, clubs had to submit their accounts for 2022-2023 by December 31, rather than March. Any breaches and subsequent charges will be confirmed by January 15.
Teams, though, will not necessarily know their actual fates by the end of the season. Appeals will have to be concluded by May 24, five days after the final Premier League fixtures of 2023-24.
Not sure how that links up with the end of June stuff we keep hearing about though.
Post by: Dave on February 06, 2024, 10:07:05 AM
There are all sorts of unknowns at this stage, such as final league placing reward money, FA Cup run and Euro Conference run. Also, why were we buying the likes of Rogers and the right back if we were that skint that we HAD to sell?
It feels like we're fine to spend and don't need to panic and sell, but we don't have the room to spend Diaby / Torres / Buendia money on an instant improvement to the first team.
So we're better off dropping £6-8m here and there on stuff that might be brilliant in a year or two, as the player that will instantly come in and and upgrade Cash / Tielemans / Konsa doesn't exist without throwing £60m at it.
Post by: Dogtanian on February 06, 2024, 10:15:30 AM
This makes it clear that the assessments are based on club accounts and financial years.
https://resources.premierleague.com/premierleague/document/2023/08/10/eb775c99-351a-46c1-9050-53dcae175a81/PL_Handbook_2023-24_DIGITAL_03.08.23.pdf (https://resources.premierleague.com/premierleague/document/2023/08/10/eb775c99-351a-46c1-9050-53dcae175a81/PL_Handbook_2023-24_DIGITAL_03.08.23.pdf)
(Page 131, rule E47)
This means our assessment will be based on our financial year ending May 31st, with anything happening in the next transfer window being part of our 2024-25 season accounts.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 06, 2024, 10:18:45 AM
Might be a few pages back so I haven’t checked, but was it on this thread that the Ornstein story appeared, in which he said we must sell before June to comply with FFP?
Transfer window closed, doesn’t open up til July, so points deduction incoming then.
Again, might be a few pages back, but wasn’t it you who mentioned that we drop £99m off which gives us a big boost, regarding FFP?
Sorry if it wasn’t you, but definitely read it on here.
Yeah it was me. Just sarcastically highlighting what a load of bollocks Ornstein’s article was - unless of course we get the points deduction that he now thinks is inevitable if he stands by his story.
It was quite funny when the zVilla bloke (and Ornstein’s colleague) for The Athletic, had to rubbish his mate’s article whilst simultaneously not exposing him
Post by: nigel on February 06, 2024, 03:29:42 PM
Might be a few pages back so I haven’t checked, but was it on this thread that the Ornstein story appeared, in which he said we must sell before June to comply with FFP?
Transfer window closed, doesn’t open up til July, so points deduction incoming then.
Again, might be a few pages back, but wasn’t it you who mentioned that we drop £99m off which gives us a big boost, regarding FFP?
Sorry if it wasn’t you, but definitely read it on here.
Yeah it was me. Just sarcastically highlighting what a load of bollocks Ornstein’s article was - unless of course we get the points deduction that he now thinks is inevitable if he stands by his story.
It was quite funny when the zVilla bloke (and Ornstein’s colleague) for The Athletic, had to rubbish his mate’s article whilst simultaneously not exposing him
Ahh, cheers, mate.
It was early when I read your post, so didn’t pick up on the sarcasm 🙄
Post by: jwarry on February 15, 2024, 06:50:34 AM
Life after Toney? Brentford announce signing of new £30m striker
Thomas Frank’s side sign 22-year-old Brazilian forward from Club Bruges for record fee, a week after Brentford manager said that sale of Toney in summer was ‘obvious’
Hamzah Khalique-Loonat
Brentford have made it clear they are preparing for life after Ivan Toney as the club announced the signing of the Club Bruges striker Igor Thiago on a five-year deal, for a club-record fee of about £30million.
Thomas Frank, the Brentford manager, admitted last week that Toney would “probably” leave in the summer, and the 22-year-old Brazilian forward will join the club on July 1.
“It is relatively obvious that Ivan Toney will probably be sold this summer,” he said. “We also know what he is worth. I don’t think there are many strikers in the world who are better than him right now.”
Thiago is 6ft 2in and would complement Brentford’s direct style of play, the effectiveness of which has been dulled by Toney’s absence this season — the England international recently returned from a eight-month FA suspension for breaching gambling rules.
During his ban Toney made it clear that he wished to play at a
Thiago will remain with Club Bruges for the remainder of the season and join Brentford in July
higher level and has returned to the Premier League in form, scoring three goals in four matches.
Toney was valued at £70 million by Brentford in January but will have only one year remaining on his contract come the summer. However, the club believe they can still secure a significant fee for the forward.
His potential replacement, Thiago, signed for Club Bruges at the start of this season. He has scored 16 league goals and provided two assists in the Belgian Pro League, where he is the second-top scorer. In addition, he has also scored four goals in the Europa Conference league.
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Post by: cdward on February 15, 2024, 09:31:22 AM
A young big Brazillian striker from Club Brugges? What could possibly go wrong?Well Ben Mee will be his team mate, so he's probably safe during a match
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 15, 2024, 10:40:13 AM
A young big Brazillian striker from Club Brugges? What could possibly go wrong?
Does he have one leg slightly shorter than the other and the pace and touch of a 1970s Soviet Tanker?
Post by: Somniloquism on February 15, 2024, 10:53:59 AM
Post by: Smithy on February 15, 2024, 03:32:44 PM
A young big Brazillian striker from Club Brugges? What could possibly go wrong?
Does he have one leg slightly shorter than the other and the pace and touch of a 1970s Soviet Tanker?
I noticed the other day that poor Wes hasn't scored a single goal since he signed for Stoke at the start of the season. The bloke was totally ruined by that injury. He was never going to be prolific, but he was a fraction below one goal in four with us, in a side that really wasn't all that good. We'd still have outgrown him long before now, certainly, but it's still a shame for him and us as I'm sure he could have cultivated a decent career in the top two divisions without that injury.
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Post by: Demitri_C on February 15, 2024, 08:29:46 PM
Birmingham World have a story about us opening talks with Jonathan David.
For aome reasin i dont believe it. I think we would have made our move by now. He looks a player though. Would be 1st canadian player at the villa i think?
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 15, 2024, 08:36:14 PM
It's been reported in Spain that we've offered a 2 year deal to Nacho, whose contract at Real Madrid ends in the summer.
He’s in his 30’s isn’t he? No more than a squad player for them as well, which doesn’t mean he’s crap, I’m just saying.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 15, 2024, 08:36:54 PM
Birmingham World have a story about us opening talks with Jonathan David.
For aome reasin i dont believe it. I think we would have made our move by now. He looks a player though. Would be 1st canadian player at the villa i think?
Not in Birmingham though, Blose signed Alberta Tarantini.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 15, 2024, 08:58:58 PM
It's been reported in Spain that we've offered a 2 year deal to Nacho, whose contract at Real Madrid ends in the summer.
He’s in his 30’s isn’t he? No more than a squad player for them as well, which doesn’t mean he’s crap, I’m just saying.
He's made a fair number of appearances for them this season. 16 in La Liga, 9 starts, 901 minutes, 7 Champions League, 6 starts, 526 minutes. Yet to score, though.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 15, 2024, 09:03:20 PM
It's been reported in Spain that we've offered a 2 year deal to Nacho, whose contract at Real Madrid ends in the summer.
He’s in his 30’s isn’t he? No more than a squad player for them as well, which doesn’t mean he’s crap, I’m just saying.
He's made a fair number of appearances for them this season. 16 in La Liga, 9 starts, 901 minutes, 7 Champions League, 6 starts, 526 minutes. Yet to score, though.
Ah ok. They’ve had a fair number of injuries at the back, Alaba, Mendy and Militao so perhaps that’s why he’s played a bit more. Still as you suggested he’s vastly experienced.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 15, 2024, 09:04:09 PM
Post by: FatSam on February 15, 2024, 09:21:46 PM
They had Lyndon Hooper, who sticks in my mind for some reason despite only making 5 appearances for them.Birmingham World have a story about us opening talks with Jonathan David.
For aome reasin i dont believe it. I think we would have made our move by now. He looks a player though. Would be 1st canadian player at the villa i think?
Not in Birmingham though, Blose signed Alberta Tarantini.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 16, 2024, 09:45:52 AM
Birmingham World have a story about us opening talks with Jonathan David.
That’s not the kind of signing that screams ‘struggling to keep within PSR’.
Post by: eamonn on February 16, 2024, 09:47:46 AM
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 16, 2024, 09:56:16 AM
Jonathan David is a great name but is he actually any good?
I think so:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h5dZODUbwLA&pp=ygUOam9uYXRoYW4gZGF2aWQ%3D
Post by: Smithy on February 16, 2024, 10:01:51 AM
Birmingham World have a story about us opening talks with Jonathan David.
That’s not the kind of signing that screams ‘struggling to keep within PSR’.
The vagaries of the PSR system mean that in June we have a year dropping out of our "three year FFP calculation" in which we made a not insignificant loss. That is replaced by the most recent year, in which we did okay, financially speaking. So I think technically, our FFP position will improve after June. Enough buy someone like Jonathan David? I've no idea, probably unlikely. But being close to the FFP limit today, doesn't mean we will still be close it in the summer.
However, by the same token, the £100m-ish profit we got for Grealish will drop off our three-year calculations NEXT summer, causing the reverse problem.
Post by: LeeB on February 16, 2024, 10:19:55 AM
Jonathan David. Not sold. Two first names for a whole name. Bad news. Move on.
There you go, case closed.
Post by: Gareth on February 16, 2024, 10:20:35 AM
Jonathan David. Not sold. Two first names for a whole name. Bad news. Move on.
:-) that Gareth Barry was absolute garbage wasn’t he? :-)
He does seem to be a player that is linked to the league a lot but stays in France…be interesting to see if he is good enough
Post by: Monty on February 16, 2024, 10:21:19 AM
Jonathan David. Not sold. Two first names for a whole name. Bad news. Move on.
:-) that Gareth Barry was absolute garbage wasn’t he? :-)
He does seem to be a player that is linked to the league a lot but stays in France…be interesting to see if he is good enough
Barry isn't a real name.
Post by: Gareth on February 16, 2024, 10:22:09 AM
Jonathan David. Not sold. Two first names for a whole name. Bad news. Move on.
:-) that Gareth Barry was absolute garbage wasn’t he? :-)
He does seem to be a player that is linked to the league a lot but stays in France…be interesting to see if he is good enough
Barry isn't a real name.
My old man would beg to differ :-)
Post by: LeeB on February 16, 2024, 10:23:18 AM
Jonathan David. Not sold. Two first names for a whole name. Bad news. Move on.
:-) that Gareth Barry was absolute garbage wasn’t he? :-)
He does seem to be a player that is linked to the league a lot but stays in France…be interesting to see if he is good enough
Barry isn't a real name.
My old man would beg to differ :-)
No problem Gary.
Post by: Monty on February 16, 2024, 10:30:35 AM
Post by: Gareth on February 16, 2024, 10:42:00 AM
Ha, decided against making the flippant joke about the guy's name, end up making it about his actual dad. Welcome to my Friday.
:-) :-) can’t believe we haven’t kicked off a whole list of first name surnames
I was going to mention David James but I got Wembley flashbacks
Post by: Monty on February 16, 2024, 10:43:11 AM
Ha, decided against making the flippant joke about the guy's name, end up making it about his actual dad. Welcome to my Friday.
:-) :-) can’t believe we haven’t kicked off a whole list of first name surnames
I was going to mention David James but I got Wembley flashbacks
The worst case in football history, as I keep saying, is Trent Alexander-Arnold, a man with two first names neither of which are his first name, which is a surname.
Post by: Gareth on February 16, 2024, 10:45:36 AM
That could be why the commentators/pundits only use that surname to refer to himHa, decided against making the flippant joke about the guy's name, end up making it about his actual dad. Welcome to my Friday.
:-) :-) can’t believe we haven’t kicked off a whole list of first name surnames
I was going to mention David James but I got Wembley flashbacks
The worst case in football history, as I keep saying, is Trent Alexander-Arnold, a man with two first names neither of which are his first name, which is a surname.
Post by: Monty on February 16, 2024, 10:56:13 AM
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Post by: brontebilly on February 16, 2024, 10:58:45 AM
He's no Calum Chambers.
He's fairly shite
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 16, 2024, 11:43:35 AM
Birmingham World have a story about us opening talks with Jonathan David.
That’s not the kind of signing that screams ‘struggling to keep within PSR’.
The vagaries of the PSR system mean that in June we have a year dropping out of our "three year FFP calculation" in which we made a not insignificant loss. That is replaced by the most recent year, in which we did okay, financially speaking. So I think technically, our FFP position will improve after June. Enough buy someone like Jonathan David? I've no idea, probably unlikely. But being close to the FFP limit today, doesn't mean we will still be close it in the summer.
However, by the same token, the £100m-ish profit we got for Grealish will drop off our three-year calculations NEXT summer, causing the reverse problem.
Actually, the £99m loss drops off this year, a £37m loss the year after, and the break even JG year (well, £400k profit) the year after that.
Post by: Drummond on February 16, 2024, 11:53:25 AM
That could be why the commentators/pundits only use that surname to refer to himHa, decided against making the flippant joke about the guy's name, end up making it about his actual dad. Welcome to my Friday.
:-) :-) can’t believe we haven’t kicked off a whole list of first name surnames
I was going to mention David James but I got Wembley flashbacks
The worst case in football history, as I keep saying, is Trent Alexander-Arnold, a man with two first names neither of which are his first name, which is a surname.
They fucking wouldn't if he played for Luton instead of Liverpool.
Post by: jwarry on February 16, 2024, 12:15:57 PM
It's been reported in Spain that we've offered a 2 year deal to Nacho, whose contract at Real Madrid ends in the summer.
Last pay day for him then. Ding as he’s 34, but could do a job for us
Post by: Somniloquism on February 16, 2024, 12:27:59 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 16, 2024, 01:03:13 PM
So are we signing Jonny Dave?
Poor old Johnnie Ray, sounded sad upon the radio, moved a million hearts in mono.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 16, 2024, 01:52:23 PM
So are we signing Jonny Dave?
Poor old Johnnie Ray, sounded sad upon the radio, moved a million hearts in mono.
We are far too young and clever to sign him.
Post by: eamonn on February 16, 2024, 01:54:22 PM
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For me, the choruses are worst part of that song and the rest of it is genius.
I think all of it is genius, and part of that genius was Dexy’s ability to make it popular with people without good taste.
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Translated version. https://twitter.com/espenstrand/status/1759325140460945572
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 18, 2024, 11:12:20 PM
Too-Rye-Ay was the first album I ever bought. I grew to really hate it apart from those few lines of 'Believe Me, If All Those Endearing Young Charms'.
Too Rye Ay was distinctly meh, sandwiched between two absolutely brilliant albums - Searching for the Young Soul Rebels and the very, very underrated Don't Stand Me Down.
Post by: eamonn on February 18, 2024, 11:59:47 PM
For me Too Rye Ay has got the tunes, SFTYSR has the soul and DSMD the heart.
Post by: OCD on February 19, 2024, 10:57:30 AM
Nico and Iñaki Williams being linked with us. https://xcatalunya.cat/esports/oferta-aston-vila-germans-williams
Translated version. https://twitter.com/espenstrand/status/1759325140460945572
There seems to be a fixation on bringing in Nico Williams. Just hope Iñaki wouldn't be the equivant of Caleb Chukwuemeka.
Post by: Smithy on February 19, 2024, 11:23:23 AM
Nico and Iñaki Williams being linked with us. https://xcatalunya.cat/esports/oferta-aston-vila-germans-williams
Translated version. https://twitter.com/espenstrand/status/1759325140460945572
There seems to be a fixation on bringing in Nico Williams. Just hope Iñaki wouldn't be the equivant of Caleb Chukwuemeka.
I think Nico Williams will become this generation's Benni McCarthy.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 19, 2024, 12:33:41 PM
Nico and Iñaki Williams being linked with us. https://xcatalunya.cat/esports/oferta-aston-vila-germans-williams
Translated version. https://twitter.com/espenstrand/status/1759325140460945572
There seems to be a fixation on bringing in Nico Williams. Just hope Iñaki wouldn't be the equivant of Caleb Chukwuemeka.
We did alright the last time we had a Williams playing regularly in the team.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 19, 2024, 03:12:28 PM
Nico and Iñaki Williams being linked with us. https://xcatalunya.cat/esports/oferta-aston-vila-germans-williams
Translated version. https://twitter.com/espenstrand/status/1759325140460945572
There seems to be a fixation on bringing in Nico Williams. Just hope Iñaki wouldn't be the equivant of Caleb Chukwuemeka.
I think the levels of the two are quite different. I can't imagine Inaki slumming it in Scotland.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 19, 2024, 09:14:36 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 19, 2024, 09:24:39 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 19, 2024, 09:25:19 PM
I wint link it as football insider claim we are after salzburg sensation oscar glouhk. A very impressive player sad that the source is shit
He sounds like a character from Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory.
We were linked with him before, but I can't recall if it was Footy Insider. then as well.
Post by: Rodders on February 19, 2024, 09:37:22 PM
If Unai thinks he can do a job then so be it, but his enormous and very dark shades make me dubious. Well, that and the fact that he's now 77.
NB. Didn't know he has a brother. Does he sing backing vocals?
Post by: OCD on February 22, 2024, 08:00:55 PM
Anyone seen whether they're any good? Rudy Can't Fail is normally good for Portugese players.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 23, 2024, 12:06:13 PM
I'll ask around for more info but one thing you can guarantee is Porto will try to pull our trousers down on the price.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 29, 2024, 05:50:12 PM
Post by: OCD on February 29, 2024, 07:13:32 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 29, 2024, 07:25:46 PM
Being linked with torink wing back raoul bellanova. Has 5 assists in 25 ans apparently has impressed villa sciuts according to tuttosport
Get him in, if we can use 'Champagne Supernova' as the basis for his song.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 29, 2024, 10:21:39 PM
We supposedly tried to buy him in January but they weren't prepared to sell mid-season.
He looks a talent tbh from some vids ive seen. Also manure are after him so im hoping if we get CL ahead of them he comes us. Would be a lot cheaper than frimpong who i also really like
Post by: olaftab on February 29, 2024, 10:30:35 PM
Being linked with torink wing back raoul bellanova. Has 5 assists in 25 ans apparently has impressed villa sciuts according to tuttosportThat’s a pretty new rumour.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 01, 2024, 03:52:59 AM
1-0 - goal Nico, assist Inaki
2-0 - goal Inaki, assist Nico.
Post by: OCD on March 01, 2024, 11:06:50 AM
We supposedly tried to buy him in January but they weren't prepared to sell mid-season.
He looks a talent tbh from some vids ive seen. Also manure are after him so im hoping if we get CL ahead of them he comes us. Would be a lot cheaper than frimpong who i also really like
The other one doing the rounds is Dumfries but Bellanova would be less expensive, both in terms of fee and salary.
Post by: eamonn on March 01, 2024, 11:11:04 AM
Williams brothers against Atletico Madrid:
1-0 - goal Nico, assist Inaki
2-0 - goal Inaki, assist Nico.
Is Nico the one we've been linked with more than Benni McCarthy?
Post by: paul_e on March 01, 2024, 02:19:15 PM
Williams brothers against Atletico Madrid:
1-0 - goal Nico, assist Inaki
2-0 - goal Inaki, assist Nico.
Is Nico the one we've been linked with more than Benni McCarthy?
Yes and he'd be a fantastic signing, he's well worth taking the time to watch a few youtube videos.
Post by: OCD on March 01, 2024, 02:49:36 PM
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Post by: Rigadon on March 02, 2024, 07:30:59 AM
Post by: Mister E on March 02, 2024, 09:06:12 AM
Apologies for the bile-merchant link https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13146239/Aston-Villa-braced-star-players-summer-50m-rated-Jacob-Ramsey-targeted-Newcastle-January-Arsenal-long-admirer-Douglas-Luiz.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13146239/Aston-Villa-braced-star-players-summer-50m-rated-Jacob-Ramsey-targeted-Newcastle-January-Arsenal-long-admirer-Douglas-Luiz.html)£50m for Ramsey?! - dream on, baby!!
We shouldn't been even considering moving him on and the starting bid would need to start with a 7 or 8.
Post by: DrGonzo on March 02, 2024, 09:40:53 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 02, 2024, 10:03:32 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 02, 2024, 10:07:35 AM
Why would Ramsey go to Newcastle?This was my immediate thought. I know we might have to sell some players, but at least we won’t have a Grealish type scenario with Ramsey agitating for a move to Newcastle, I mean why would he?
Post by: Bad English on March 02, 2024, 12:09:19 PM
Apologies for the bile-merchant link https://www.dailyheil.co.uk/sport/football/article-13146239/Aston-Villa-braced-star-players-summer-50m-rated-Jacob-Ramsey-targeted-Newcastle-January-Arsenal-long-admirer-Douglas-Luiz.htmlUgh!
Post by: LeeB on March 02, 2024, 12:22:20 PM
Why would Ramsey go to Newcastle?This was my immediate thought. I know we might have to sell some players, but at least we won’t have a Grealish type scenario with Ramsey agitating for a move to Newcastle, I mean why would he?
To use his boxing skills on horses?
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 03, 2024, 09:27:24 AM
Why would Ramsey go to Newcastle?
And Newcastle are in exactly the same boat as we are FFP wise, so why the fuck are they a worry to us?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 03, 2024, 10:08:26 AM
Why would Ramsey go to Newcastle?
And Newcastle are in exactly the same boat as we are FFP wise, so why the fuck are they a worry to us?
Newcastle United, who the hell are they? Exaaacctly!
Post by: Somniloquism on March 03, 2024, 02:33:22 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2024, 04:21:51 PM
On that note, the original "who are they? Egggsactly" have sacked their managerial team overnight.
The Milk Marketing Board?
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 03, 2024, 09:46:01 PM
Shit, hadn’t thought of that. He’s definitely off then, damn those horse punching bastardsWhy would Ramsey go to Newcastle?This was my immediate thought. I know we might have to sell some players, but at least we won’t have a Grealish type scenario with Ramsey agitating for a move to Newcastle, I mean why would he?
To use his boxing skills on horses?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 05, 2024, 06:49:36 PM
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2024/03/05/sources-aston-villa-pushing-hard-to-win-20m-race-with-wonderkid-open-to-tottenham/
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 05, 2024, 07:37:46 PM
Post by: Forge10 on March 05, 2024, 07:46:16 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 05, 2024, 11:46:04 PM
To sign a new deal, as well as a big wage-increase, his agent may have demanded other concessions.
Him being under-sold especially to someone like Yanited would be the shitty worst-case scenario. The heart of our team ripped-out for a relative pittance.
Post by: Dave on March 06, 2024, 09:07:04 AM
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Tom Collomosse: Ajax are among the clubs monitoring the progress of Jaden Philogene, who has been impressive for Hull after leaving #avfc last summer.
Villa have buy-back option on Philogene at c.£15m - Hull would want more to sell him.
Q:If we have a buy back option at £15mil why would we have to pay more?
A: Not to Villa - elsewhere I mean. If Villa didn't take up their buy-back, then Hull can effectively name their price.
Possible he's misunderstood it, but the "same division" stuff would appear to be very odd if it were true.
Post by: LeeB on March 06, 2024, 10:23:16 AM
Post by: Risso on March 06, 2024, 10:30:56 AM
If there are other clubs willing to pay more then surely even if we didn't want him him back we'd just buy him at that price and then sell him on.
Well that's what it implies, but in reality Man City could have done that with Luiz, and didn't, so I'm not sure how likely it it to happen in a real life situation.
Post by: OCD on March 06, 2024, 10:34:25 AM
Post by: Dave on March 06, 2024, 10:50:35 AM
If there are other clubs willing to pay more then surely even if we didn't want him him back we'd just buy him at that price and then sell him on.
Well that's what it implies, but in reality Man City could have done that with Luiz, and didn't, so I'm not sure how likely it it to happen in a real life situation.
A couple of "sort of comparables", Emerson Royal was bought jointly by Betis and Barcelona from Atlético Mineiro, but was a Betis player. Barcelona were paying for the right to pay £9m to Betis for him to join them. Which they did, then sold him to Spurs for £25m the same summer.
Benik Afobe - joined Wolves for £10m on June 1st 2018 at the end of a loan deal, then moved to Stoke for £12m on June 12th 2018.
So neither quite the same as what would happen in LeeB's example, but not a million miles away either. But it probably suggests it wouldn't be impossible.
Post by: OCD on March 06, 2024, 11:04:05 AM
Post by: LeeB on March 06, 2024, 11:07:21 AM
Post by: Dave on March 06, 2024, 11:09:25 AM
There's a good chance that we'll buy Archer back and then sell him again, presumably for more than we buy him back for due to the original deal.
That's quite a big presumption, no? I think we pay Sheffield Utd back a bit less than what they paid us (so making it a bit like they've paid a couple of million for a season long loan).
He's probably not hurt his reputation this season, but I'm not sure he's really shown enough to persuade another Premier League club to shell out 15-20m for him.
Post by: Dave on March 06, 2024, 11:10:51 AM
The Afobe deal was the one I had in mind, and didn't Citeh do it with a left back, can't think of his name.
Angeliño. There was a year in between him coming back and going again though. Assuming that's who you were thinking of.
Post by: OCD on March 06, 2024, 11:24:25 AM
There's a good chance that we'll buy Archer back and then sell him again, presumably for more than we buy him back for due to the original deal.
That's quite a big presumption, no? I think we pay Sheffield Utd back a bit less than what they paid us (so making it a bit like they've paid a couple of million for a season long loan).
He's probably not hurt his reputation this season, but I'm not sure he's really shown enough to persuade another Premier League club to shell out 15-20m for him.
I could see a Leeds or someone coming up and being interested.
I'd say it's a possibility, nothing more than that. Just as much chance that we sell Duran and re-integrate him back into the squad having gotten some experience.
Post by: LeeB on March 06, 2024, 11:52:49 AM
The Afobe deal was the one I had in mind, and didn't Citeh do it with a left back, can't think of his name.
Angeliño. There was a year in between him coming back and going again though. Assuming that's who you were thinking of.
That was the one.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 06, 2024, 01:55:24 PM
(Actually a Bridge transfer)
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No club or player shall be involved in a bridge transfer.
2.
It shall be presumed, unless established to the contrary, that if two consecutive transfers,
national or international, of the same player occur within a period of 16 weeks, the parties
(clubs and player) involved in those two transfers have participated in a bridge transfer.
Post by: PeterWithe on March 06, 2024, 02:30:17 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 06, 2024, 02:30:30 PM
The truth is we made you leave us
All through those made days of PSR
You kept your sign-on fees
Don't keep your....*thinks*... City tattoos?
Post by: Forge10 on March 07, 2024, 06:20:39 AM
If there are other clubs willing to pay more then surely even if we didn't want him him back we'd just buy him at that price and then sell him on.
I’m sure I read that we have first refusal but if a team bids higher than the buy back price then we have to match the price.
Post by: LeeB on March 07, 2024, 09:50:08 AM
If there are other clubs willing to pay more then surely even if we didn't want him him back we'd just buy him at that price and then sell him on.
I’m sure I read that we have first refusal but if a team bids higher than the buy back price then we have to match the price.
That's not first refusal though is it, that's just an open market?
Not having a go by the way, there' have been some confusing details about the deal. I don't know the ins and outs like anyone else but my reasoning is he went for the least money of the three sold last summer despite being the closest (by some way) to the first team, and the deal looked undervalued because there's a buy back deal that heavily favours us.
Post by: ROBBO on March 09, 2024, 11:32:25 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 09, 2024, 12:18:10 PM
Post by: OCD on March 12, 2024, 08:16:56 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 12, 2024, 09:58:29 PM
Worth keeping an eye on Varela tonight because we've been regularly sending scouts to Porto matches to watch him.
He would cost a fortune.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on March 12, 2024, 09:59:23 PM
Worth keeping an eye on Varela tonight because we've been regularly sending scouts to Porto matches to watch him.
He’s been tidy. He was highly rated at Boca and Porto took the chance, similar to Benfica with Fernandez. We could do with buying from source which is a lot cheaper than buying from Portugal once they’ve impressed.
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2024, 12:21:00 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2024, 12:49:16 AM
Mario Hermoso being linked. Suggests Digne will be off?
I think Digne will be off anyway, but isn’t Hermoso a Centre-half?
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2024, 12:58:18 AM
Post by: Dave on March 13, 2024, 08:09:34 AM
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2024, 10:01:39 AM
But only in the sense that Konsa is a centre-back or right-back.
Not even to that extent to be honest. No games at left back in the last two seasons. Two matches there three years ago.
Post by: eamonn on March 13, 2024, 10:04:48 AM
Worth keeping an eye on Varela tonight because we've been regularly sending scouts to Porto matches to watch him.
Rudy Kelly's on the pay-roll? About time we had some proper H&V representation at the club. Hookey couldn't do it alone.
Post by: OCD on March 13, 2024, 11:18:54 AM
Post by: JJ-AV on March 13, 2024, 02:04:29 PM
Gives him symmetry in the sense of Cash/Konsa and Moreno/Hermoso being an attacking option or third CB option. Also a back up to Torres who can possibly keep the style of play?
Would worry for Mings though. Unless he sees Mings as a right-sider as his passing isn't great anyway...
Post by: Dave on March 13, 2024, 02:36:02 PM
Unless he sees Mings as a right-sider as his passing isn't great anyway...
He's not Pau, but he's not some clogger either. I'm reminded of that ball for Ings' equaliser against Wolves last year for example.
Post by: LeeS on March 13, 2024, 02:58:09 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 13, 2024, 03:53:47 PM
Unless he sees Mings as a right-sider as his passing isn't great anyway...
He's not Pau, but he's not some clogger either. I'm reminded of that ball for Ings' equaliser against Wolves last year for example.
Was it a hopeful punt or a measured loft? I can't recall.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 13, 2024, 04:01:29 PM
Agree. Mings is very decent on the ball and had to bear the vast majority of the responsibility for playing out over the last few years. I'd expect him to still have a significant role to play if he gets back to full fitness.Unless he sees Mings as a right-sider as his passing isn't great anyway...
He's not Pau, but he's not some clogger either. I'm reminded of that ball for Ings' equaliser against Wolves last year for example.
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2024, 04:41:44 PM
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2024, 05:12:00 PM
Tierney linked as well. So looks like we're loading up on the left.
I just can't see signings like that happening with the FFP situation, even if it's not as bad as the headlines make out.
Post by: Gareth on March 13, 2024, 05:27:12 PM
Tierney linked as well. So looks like we're loading up on the left.
I just can't see signings like that happening with the FFP situation, even if it's not as bad as the headlines make out.
Agree, though it’s where Monchi has to prove his worth and rediscover his Sevilla mojo and bring in 2/3 free / cheaper signings to keep us moving forward.
Post by: eamonn on March 13, 2024, 05:38:48 PM
Post by: OCD on March 13, 2024, 05:42:06 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 13, 2024, 05:42:12 PM
If things are that tight, I wonder would it have been better bringing-in a couple of proven players in January, even on-loan instead of ones for the future like Rogers and the Serbian lad. They would have contributed straight away and probably made us more competitive for top four and silver.Like Zaniolo?
Post by: eamonn on March 13, 2024, 05:44:10 PM
For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 13, 2024, 05:51:09 PM
For every Zaniolo there's a ZahaI know but I think it’s not easy to find players like that and why you end up with punts on Z.
For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction
Post by: Mister E on March 13, 2024, 06:07:39 PM
If things are that tight, I wonder would it have been better bringing-in a couple of proven players in January, even on-loan instead of ones for the future like Rogers and the Serbian lad. They would have contributed straight away and probably made us more competitive for top four and silver.I take your point, but I think that mixing carefully-selected youngsters with our experienced players right now will serve us best in the next season and beyond. It's all about selecting the right youngsters ...
Post by: Bad English on March 13, 2024, 09:15:30 PM
For every Zaniolo there's a ZahaEnergy can neither be created nor destroyed; it merely changes its form.
For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 13, 2024, 09:25:11 PM
For every Zaniolo there's a Zaha
For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction
Every rose has its thorn
Just like every night has its dawn.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 13, 2024, 09:28:22 PM
Well it was rumoured that we tried for Werner in January before we went for Rogers, but he preferred to go to a certain London club.
We already have two loans and can only have two in the squad. We could delist Zaniolo, however I expect we would have still been paying his wages as I doubt Galatasaray would have had him back.
Post by: Dave on March 13, 2024, 09:31:22 PM
Well it was rumoured that we tried for Werner in January before we went for Rogers, but he preferred to go to a certain London club.
We already have two loans and can only have two in the squad. We could delist Zaniolo, however I expect we would have still been paying his wages as I doubt Galatasaray would have had him back.
Two loans applies to Premier League players only. If we'd wanted Werner and he wanted to join us, there was nothing stopping us loaning him.
Post by: PeterWithe on March 16, 2024, 11:42:22 AM
Post by: Monty on March 16, 2024, 11:50:27 AM
Lewis Ferguson of Bologna linked.
He's going to be linked with everyone.
I mean, he's good, absolutely. He's just also the British captain of a club it's fashionable to pay attention to right now.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 23, 2024, 11:05:04 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 24, 2024, 06:33:03 AM
Post by: AV84 on March 24, 2024, 07:28:28 AM
I did see a story the other day that Barca were offering Lenglet (among others) to Everton in an attempt to sign Onana. So maybe we're not keeping him.
Post by: Gareth on March 24, 2024, 08:23:46 AM
Google says Hermoso plays LB or CB. Not positions we're stuck for at the moment.
I did see a story the other day that Barca were offering Lenglet (among others) to Everton in an attempt to sign Onana. So maybe we're not keeping him.
Hopefully on both counts….Lenglet has been ok as a sticking plaster but he isn’t the long term option, having centre back options that can play full back also seems to be Unai’s preference.
Post by: PeterWithe on March 24, 2024, 10:32:28 AM
Google says Hermoso plays LB or CB. Not positions we're stuck for at the moment.
It does make a kind of sense in that with Konsa playing right back, Moreno can play almost as an auxilary winger and we still have three defenders minding the shop. If he buys Hermoso, then he can do the same but with the right back pushed high.
Post by: Drummond on March 25, 2024, 08:54:50 AM
Google says Hermoso plays LB or CB. Not positions we're stuck for at the moment.
I did see a story the other day that Barca were offering Lenglet (among others) to Everton in an attempt to sign Onana. So maybe we're not keeping him.
We've got Tyrone Mings.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 25, 2024, 08:57:06 AM
Google says Hermoso plays LB or CB. Not positions we're stuck for at the moment.
It does make a kind of sense in that with Konsa playing right back, Moreno can play almost as an auxilary winger and we still have three defenders minding the shop. If he buys Hermoso, then he can do the same but with the right back pushed high.
Although that only works if he has a RB in mind for that role other then Cash.
Post by: Gareth on March 25, 2024, 10:00:45 AM
Google says Hermoso plays LB or CB. Not positions we're stuck for at the moment.
It does make a kind of sense in that with Konsa playing right back, Moreno can play almost as an auxilary winger and we still have three defenders minding the shop. If he buys Hermoso, then he can do the same but with the right back pushed high.
Although that only works if he has a RB in mind for that role other then Cash.
He signed with me in January….Ned will be here in the summer
Post by: Dogtanian on March 25, 2024, 10:22:38 AM
https://sportwitness.co.uk/beware-aston-villa-emerys-side-make-offer-signing-player-set-say-goodbye-club/ (https://sportwitness.co.uk/beware-aston-villa-emerys-side-make-offer-signing-player-set-say-goodbye-club/)
Post by: eamonn on March 25, 2024, 10:34:33 AM
Post by: OCD on March 25, 2024, 11:34:53 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 25, 2024, 11:37:39 AM
That would be truly beautiful. Is there anyone named Bello we could also bring on-board? We'd truly be the most handsome team.
Hope we're able to get Cain Formosa in as back-up to Emi. That would be sweet.
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 25, 2024, 01:24:57 PM
Reports that we have offered a contract to Hermoso;
https://sportwitness.co.uk/beware-aston-villa-emerys-side-make-offer-signing-player-set-say-goodbye-club/ (https://sportwitness.co.uk/beware-aston-villa-emerys-side-make-offer-signing-player-set-say-goodbye-club/)
Is he anygood?