2024 January transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

[olaftab]

See some journos now talking Duran Broja swap.

No fuck that. Whilst Jhon still has potential Broja has been proved as mediocre.

[Dave]

Broja had a middling season at Southampton 2 years ago and hardly kicked a ball for Chelsea before or since that loan.  If anyone goes in for him it would be a massive gamble.

There was a case a few years ago where (I think) Barcelona and Juventus to get round their FFP issues swapped (I think) Arthur and Pjanic with no money changing hands,but were able to put the transfers through the books in such a way that both clubs made massive profits, which helped their FFP balances. Neither club really wanted either player.

Something similar would be the only reason I can imagine a Broja / Duran swap.

I'm guessing the rules are written up in such a way to prevent such shenanigans and that the example above means that clubs can't do it anymore, but just throwing it out there.

[Risso]

Broja had a middling season at Southampton 2 years ago and hardly kicked a ball for Chelsea before or since that loan.  If anyone goes in for him it would be a massive gamble.

There was a case a few years ago where (I think) Barcelona and Juventus to get round their FFP issues swapped (I think) Arthur and Pjanic with no money changing hands,but were able to put the transfers through the books in such a way that both clubs made massive profits, which helped their FFP balances. Neither club really wanted either player.

Something similar would be the only reason I can imagine a Broja / Duran swap.

I'm guessing the rules are written up in such a way to prevent such shenanigans and that the example above means that clubs can't do it anymore, but just throwing it out there.

I could see something similar with Longstaff and Ramsey. As long as the transfers are "market rate" I can't really see what anybody could do about it.

[aev]

Broja had a middling season at Southampton 2 years ago and hardly kicked a ball for Chelsea before or since that loan.  If anyone goes in for him it would be a massive gamble.

There was a case a few years ago where (I think) Barcelona and Juventus to get round their FFP issues swapped (I think) Arthur and Pjanic with no money changing hands,but were able to put the transfers through the books in such a way that both clubs made massive profits, which helped their FFP balances. Neither club really wanted either player.

Something similar would be the only reason I can imagine a Broja / Duran swap.

I'm guessing the rules are written up in such a way to prevent such shenanigans and that the example above means that clubs can't do it anymore, but just throwing it out there.

I could see something similar with Longstaff and Ramsey. As long as the transfers are "market rate" I can't really see what anybody could do about it.

The problem with that is Longstaff is gash.

[Bent Neilsens Screamer]

If another club had offered more than £2.5m for Azzaz, presumably we would have accepted it. As it was, only Boro came in for him and he was out of contract (I think) in May so it made sense from that perspective. They won't feel they need to do us any favours with a lower amount for Rogers.

That’s my take on it as well, we agreed the price for Azaz so can only come to the conclusion we were let down by other options or weren’t interested in Rogers at the time. Either way if they want £15m for their player we would offer the full amount or part thereof and Azaz.

[Risso]

There's no such things as gash players, there are are just players who haven't played for Emery before!

[Risso]

If another club had offered more than £2.5m for Azzaz, presumably we would have accepted it. As it was, only Boro came in for him and he was out of contract (I think) in May so it made sense from that perspective. They won't feel they need to do us any favours with a lower amount for Rogers.

That’s my take on it as well, we agreed the price for Azaz so can only come to the conclusion we were let down by other options or weren’t interested in Rogers at the time. Either way if they want £15m for their player we would offer the full amount or part thereof and Azaz.

But the reports all say that he's been top of our list for some time.

[Gareth]

There's no such things as gash players, there are are just players who haven't played for Emery before!

I like that…..

& it’s true :-)

[paul_e]

Broja had a middling season at Southampton 2 years ago and hardly kicked a ball for Chelsea before or since that loan.  If anyone goes in for him it would be a massive gamble.

There was a case a few years ago where (I think) Barcelona and Juventus to get round their FFP issues swapped (I think) Arthur and Pjanic with no money changing hands,but were able to put the transfers through the books in such a way that both clubs made massive profits, which helped their FFP balances. Neither club really wanted either player.

Something similar would be the only reason I can imagine a Broja / Duran swap.

I'm guessing the rules are written up in such a way to prevent such shenanigans and that the example above means that clubs can't do it anymore, but just throwing it out there.

I don't know how you could create a rule for that without effectively blocking teams from buying and selling from the same club in a single window. It'd would be interesting to see what happened (if players got massively overvalued in a swap) though, everyone would know it was dodgy but with no centralised valuation on players how would you prove it?


Anyway, Broja is awful, given how much stick Watkins gets over his control, I think half the fanbase would spontaneously combust the first time he played for us.

[Toronto Villa]

What an absolutely shit transfer window this has been all round. Why even have one if deals can’t even be done? They may as well go back to the way it was and have an open window and a deadline in March or whenever it was. FFP while there is need for it to stop carefree and irresponsible spending, it has stifled it completely and eliminated any chance whatsoever of clubs like ours bridging the gap to the top 3. However it does force us to look at ourselves in the mirror. We need to be smarter about where we sign players from and for how much. And of course the need to grow our commercial revenues which are far too small relative to many of our opponents in the PL and across Europe.

[brontebilly]

Broja had a middling season at Southampton 2 years ago and hardly kicked a ball for Chelsea before or since that loan.  If anyone goes in for him it would be a massive gamble.

There was a case a few years ago where (I think) Barcelona and Juventus to get round their FFP issues swapped (I think) Arthur and Pjanic with no money changing hands,but were able to put the transfers through the books in such a way that both clubs made massive profits, which helped their FFP balances. Neither club really wanted either player.

Something similar would be the only reason I can imagine a Broja / Duran swap.

I'm guessing the rules are written up in such a way to prevent such shenanigans and that the example above means that clubs can't do it anymore, but just throwing it out there.

I don't know how you could create a rule for that without effectively blocking teams from buying and selling from the same club in a single window. It'd would be interesting to see what happened (if players got massively overvalued in a swap) though, everyone would know it was dodgy but with no centralised valuation on players how would you prove it?


Anyway, Broja is awful, given how much stick Watkins gets over his control, I think half the fanbase would spontaneously combust the first time he played for us.

That touch when he got through against us last weekend was more Jordan Bowery than Watkins. Doesn't look as if he can run either.

Might aswell get Chucky back if they are that desperate. He surely still has more potential than Rogers.

[Bent Neilsens Screamer]

If another club had offered more than £2.5m for Azzaz, presumably we would have accepted it. As it was, only Boro came in for him and he was out of contract (I think) in May so it made sense from that perspective. They won't feel they need to do us any favours with a lower amount for Rogers.

That’s my take on it as well, we agreed the price for Azaz so can only come to the conclusion we were let down by other options or weren’t interested in Rogers at the time. Either way if they want £15m for their player we would offer the full amount or part thereof and Azaz.

But the reports all say that he's been top of our list for some time.

I hadn’t heard that as it’s only become common knowledge the last week or so. The only thing that we could have done differently was to include Azaz in the deal to get Rogers in the door at that time but we couldn’t have got a better deal as they were aware of Finn’s contract situation so we couldn’t really have over valued him.

TBH I went to Boro but didn’t notice Rogers and didn’t watch their game against Chelsea so I’ve no idea what he’s like. We all trust Emery but it seems a lot of money for a player , who in my mind, has hardly been setting the championship alight.

[edgysatsuma89]

Why on earth didn't we tie this into the Azaz deal? If Rogers really is Monchi and Emery's first choice this transfer window, then any sort of leverage at all would have been useful.

This frustrates me to no end.

With them wanting Azaz, we had some leverage.

I really would love to know who fucked the pooch on this one...

It was a lad at my school called Peter Carruthers, but he only wanked it off. That was the rumour anyway.

I wonder if most schools have this type of rumour? With our Tim though it was supposedly all the way.

[Sexual Ealing]

Why on earth didn't we tie this into the Azaz deal? If Rogers really is Monchi and Emery's first choice this transfer window, then any sort of leverage at all would have been useful.

This frustrates me to no end.

With them wanting Azaz, we had some leverage.

I really would love to know who fucked the pooch on this one...

It was a lad at my school called Peter Carruthers, but he only wanked it off. That was the rumour anyway.

I wonder if most schools have this type of rumour? With our Tim though it was supposedly all the way.

I've changed the chap's name to protect the innocent, but I met that dog. He had the look of a dog that'd be up for it.

[LeeB]

Typical dog, leading you on.