2024 January transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

[Risso]

Someone mentioned to me recently that as Rogers is 21 years old, he counts as an U21 academy player & therefore doesn't influence FFP/PSR spending.

Same with the Serbian RB & any other player who is 21 & under by the FFP/PSR deadline.

Is this accurate?

Would explain why Chelsea turned themselves into the worlds largest battery farm academy & the likes of ManC are buying young South Americans & then loaning them back...

No. Wages and amortisation of young players you buy count for FFP.

[caster troy]

The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?

Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back

Rogers has two goals for Boro in 26 league appearances, Archer had 11 goals in 20. Bidace scored four in 37 last year so is perhaps a better comparison and we sold him for £5m.

And Harry Kane scored twice in 15 games on loan at Norwich. You need something to make a comparison, I admit, but stats dont tell the full story. Having said that, I wont be sad if we miss out on this lad.

True but maybe if we had Kane doing that while out on loan we'd be selling him cheap with a buy back too... I'm not necessarilly criticising Rogers it's more an observation that we seem to be signing a profile of player that we usually want to sell if we have them on our books already. Just seems odd to me.

[LeeS]

The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?

Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back

Rogers has two goals for Boro in 26 league appearances, Archer had 11 goals in 20. Bidace scored four in 37 last year so is perhaps a better comparison and we sold him for £5m.

And Harry Kane scored twice in 15 games on loan at Norwich. You need something to make a comparison, I admit, but stats dont tell the full story. Having said that, I wont be sad if we miss out on this lad.

True but maybe if we had Kane doing that while out on loan we'd be selling him cheap with a buy back too... I'm not necessarilly criticising Rogers it's more an observation that we seem to be signing a profile of player that we usually want to sell if we have them on our books already. Just seems odd to me.

No argument from me there. FFP is having unintended consequences.

[Gareth]

The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?

Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back

Rogers has two goals for Boro in 26 league appearances, Archer had 11 goals in 20. Bidace scored four in 37 last year so is perhaps a better comparison and we sold him for £5m.

And Harry Kane scored twice in 15 games on loan at Norwich. You need something to make a comparison, I admit, but stats dont tell the full story. Having said that, I wont be sad if we miss out on this lad.

True but maybe if we had Kane doing that while out on loan we'd be selling him cheap with a buy back too... I'm not necessarilly criticising Rogers it's more an observation that we seem to be signing a profile of player that we usually want to sell if we have them on our books already. Just seems odd to me.

No argument from me there. FFP is having unintended consequences.

Think it is working exactly as those clubs that wanted to take away new competition wanted it to

[Clark W Griswold]

I can see why they want him. He’s quick, strong, and looks to have the vision and an ability to bring others into it. He also effortlessly seems to make space for himself so I’d say the natural ability and physical attributes are there, stats don’t tell the whole story especially for a 21 year old and a couple of years with Unai should vastly improve those stats.

[VillaTim]

Can't we throw in Chambers or Traore or even Hause to sweeten the deal ? They'd all be decent in the championship and add some valuable experience

[PaulWinch again]

The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?

Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back

Rogers has two goals for Boro in 26 league appearances, Archer had 11 goals in 20. Bidace scored four in 37 last year so is perhaps a better comparison and we sold him for £5m.

And Harry Kane scored twice in 15 games on loan at Norwich. You need something to make a comparison, I admit, but stats dont tell the full story. Having said that, I wont be sad if we miss out on this lad.

True but maybe if we had Kane doing that while out on loan we'd be selling him cheap with a buy back too... I'm not necessarilly criticising Rogers it's more an observation that we seem to be signing a profile of player that we usually want to sell if we have them on our books already. Just seems odd to me.

No argument from me there. FFP is having unintended consequences.

Think it is working exactly as those clubs that wanted to take away new competition wanted it to

Didn’t a majority of clubs vote for it?

[Percy McCarthy]

The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?

Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back

Rogers has two goals for Boro in 26 league appearances, Archer had 11 goals in 20. Bidace scored four in 37 last year so is perhaps a better comparison and we sold him for £5m.

And Harry Kane scored twice in 15 games on loan at Norwich. You need something to make a comparison, I admit, but stats dont tell the full story. Having said that, I wont be sad if we miss out on this lad.

True but maybe if we had Kane doing that while out on loan we'd be selling him cheap with a buy back too... I'm not necessarilly criticising Rogers it's more an observation that we seem to be signing a profile of player that we usually want to sell if we have them on our books already. Just seems odd to me.

No argument from me there. FFP is having unintended consequences.

Think it is working exactly as those clubs that wanted to take away new competition wanted it to

Didn’t a majority of clubs vote for it?

Much as I sympathise with Gareth’s point of view, I’ve come to the conclusion that I’d rather there are six clubs we can get close to with great coaching, recruitment, commercial acumen and fabulously wealthy owners, than two that we couldn’t if they were allowed to spend what they like.

[LeonW]

My father’s brother’s former roommate has spotted Simon Dawkins at the belfry. Signing imminent.

[Meanwood Villa]

My father’s brother’s former roommate has spotted Simon Dawkins at the belfry. Signing imminent.

Great days. Well, not really.

[Villatillidie25]

The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?

Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back

Rogers has two goals for Boro in 26 league appearances, Archer had 11 goals in 20. Bidace scored four in 37 last year so is perhaps a better comparison and we sold him for £5m.

And Harry Kane scored twice in 15 games on loan at Norwich. You need something to make a comparison, I admit, but stats dont tell the full story. Having said that, I wont be sad if we miss out on this lad.

True but maybe if we had Kane doing that while out on loan we'd be selling him cheap with a buy back too... I'm not necessarilly criticising Rogers it's more an observation that we seem to be signing a profile of player that we usually want to sell if we have them on our books already. Just seems odd to me.

No argument from me there. FFP is having unintended consequences.

Think it is working exactly as those clubs that wanted to take away new competition wanted it to

Didn’t a majority of clubs vote for it?

Yes, I don’t mean this personally but the drawbridge argument is a tired one liner rolled out against ffp. No financial mechanism will ever claw back the benefits that City and Chelsea in particular have benefitted from but ffp is doing what it’s supposed to do, stop teams spending way beyond their means. Let’s not forget, clubs can make a loss of £105m over the time frame. Its not like there’s no opportunity to speculate and invest at all.

[Villatillidie25]

Broja had a middling season at Southampton 2 years ago and hardly kicked a ball for Chelsea before or since that loan.  If anyone goes in for him it would be a massive gamble.

There was a case a few years ago where (I think) Barcelona and Juventus to get round their FFP issues swapped (I think) Arthur and Pjanic with no money changing hands,but were able to put the transfers through the books in such a way that both clubs made massive profits, which helped their FFP balances. Neither club really wanted either player.

Something similar would be the only reason I can imagine a Broja / Duran swap.

I'm guessing the rules are written up in such a way to prevent such shenanigans and that the example above means that clubs can't do it anymore, but just throwing it out there.

yes if you do a swap deal at a deemed fair value of £100m, you create profit immediately to help FFP but the cost on the incoming player is spread over the life of the contract. I'd imagine you'd get the question if the deemed fair value was excessive.

This is what Juve got done for last year (they did it multiple times with multiple clubs). Weirdest thing is that it needs two to tango for it to work and I’ve not heard of any of the other parties being investigated, let alone prosecuted. It doesn’t help long term financially but it kicks the can of ffp down the road.

[tomd2103]

If we have got as far as having a couple of bids for him, I can see us agreeing a deal for Rogers on 'deadline day'. 

[Rudy Can't Fail]

If we have got as far as having a couple of bids for him, I can see us agreeing a deal for Rogers on 'deadline day'. 

Not sure. I think Boro want to go shopping (defender) so unless they can get a player in, they'll keep him. Plenty of Boro fans have said Rogers wouldn't get in their first XI if all players were fit so I assume they'd prefer the money but may wait until the summer.

[chrisw1]

I'd rather we just leave Rogers now.  I'm sure we can make better use of £15m in the summer.

If we were talking about a player who would likely be straight up to speed and help us secure top 5 I'd probably be for it.  But it seems to me he's very much a work in progress.  Unless Ramsey has had a major setback I hope we just move on.