2024 January transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

[Holy Trinity]

Do loan fees count towards FFP?

Buy him back for 20 million, 5 year deal = 4m per year.

2 years on loan at 5 mil a year maybe? Is this plausible? I know we have paid some hefty fees over the years. Sell for around 10 in the third year if he's not In our plans. That's now FFP impact at a is it?

Or buy him back and give him more chances and he flourishes. I think he is a great finisher and you can't teach that or athleticism. The rest you can  to some degree

[pauliewalnuts]

Why not just sell him immediately?

Why piss about with loan deals for a player we don’t want?

[Matt C]

€10m agreed deal for Napoli to buy Dendonker in the summer apparently which is a reasonable return I suppose given how little he’s played.

[pauliewalnuts]

We buy him back, for more money, and we're undoing the FFP benefits we got from shifting him in the first place. FFP is going to be tight enough for us as it is, nobody is going to want 20m plus of it tied up in a player who has not proved himself at this level.

With Duran that would be 35m worth of unproven, at best promising strikers.

If he'd 'proved himself' at Sheffield United this season he'd be worth £50m+ of anybody's money.

But he hasn’t.

And he wouldn’t anyway unless you think someone is genuinely going to pay 50m for a player with one decent season under their belt.

He started on the bench at the weekend. And the match before, too.

Someone I’ve never heard of got the nod ahead of him. McBurnie got on the pitch before he did.

I genuinely don’t get why normally sensible people let their brains melt over Archer.

50m? I’ll have some of whatever it is you’re smoking.

[Louzie0]

Morgan Rogers is a Villa Player

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Rogers

Welcome, Morgan!

[pablo_picasso]

We buy him back, for more money, and we're undoing the FFP benefits we got from shifting him in the first place. FFP is going to be tight enough for us as it is, nobody is going to want 20m plus of it tied up in a player who has not proved himself at this level.

With Duran that would be 35m worth of unproven, at best promising strikers.

If he'd 'proved himself' at Sheffield United this season he'd be worth £50m+ of anybody's money.

But he hasn’t.

And he wouldn’t anyway unless you think someone is genuinely going to pay 50m for a player with one decent season under their belt.

He started on the bench at the weekend. And the match before, too.

Someone I’ve never heard of got the nod ahead of him. McBurnie got on the pitch before he did.

I genuinely don’t get why normally sensible people let their brains melt over Archer.

50m? I’ll have some of whatever it is you’re smoking.

Are you talking about Brereton-Diaz?

As for Archer not getting in, I suppose it's easy to say that their manager likes a tall striker.

McBurnie is about 6'3" & Brereton-Diaz is about 6'2".

However, on the flip side, he was happy to play Billy Sharp & he's only about 5'9"...

[Percy McCarthy]

Morgan Rogers is a Villa Player

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Rogers

Welcome, Morgan!

I take it somebody changed it, and somebody else has now changed it back.

[brontebilly]

Morgan Rogers is a Villa Player

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Rogers

Welcome, Morgan!

Should have scored earlier, good play from the set piece. Seems to be playing up front tonight. I don't remember him at all against us.

[Dave]

Are you talking about Brereton-Diaz?

My money would be on William Osula.

[Smithy]

In FFP terms, the Archer deal is basically like taking out a mortgage.  We got the immediate £18-20m on our books for FFP, and if they get relegated we have to pay most of it back, but over 4 or 5 years (in FFP terms).  So his sale helped us with FFP in the short term, and even if he comes back it's only going to cost us about £4-5m a year in FFP terms.  If we sell him again we'd still be "up" on the deal.  Or we keep him and he becomes an asset for the first team.  Not really any downside, unless think he's 100% never going to be good enough for us.

[Percy McCarthy]

In FFP terms, the Archer deal is basically like taking out a mortgage.  We got the immediate £18-20m on our books for FFP, and if they get relegated we have to pay most of it back, but over 4 or 5 years (in FFP terms).  So his sale helped us with FFP in the short term, and even if he comes back it's only going to cost us about £4-5m a year in FFP terms.  If we sell him again we'd still be "up" on the deal.  Or we keep him and he becomes an asset for the first team.  Not really any downside, unless think he's 100% never going to be good enough for us.

Correct. Much as I wanted to explain, I couldn’t be arsed.

[pauliewalnuts]

Are you talking about Brereton-Diaz?

My money would be on William Osula.

Yes

[Gareth]

It’s good to see us playing the financial games and trying to make things work for Aston Villa.  Whether we understand the rationale for things or not they understand the numbers which is the most important thing

[Nii Lamptey]

Jury out on this Rogers kid. Doesn’t look any better than the academy lads we sold in the summer, arguably not as good on tonight’s showing.
Doesn’t seem very fast either.

[PeterWithesShin]

I think we all want academy products to be the real deal, and will often rate them higher than their ability. I'd imagine all fans are the same. Reality is of the 4 we let go, Archer, Ramsey, Philogene and Azaz, none of them have shown us to be wrong yet and there wasn't a raft of clubs chasing them.
I hope they all have cracking careers I will add.

Archer, signed by a promoted side, scoring at the same rate Gestede did for us when we stank the league out. He's been dropped from the side that's 20th.

Ramsey, signed by a promoted side, that also stinks the league out. He struggles to get a start for the side that's 19th.

Philogene was signed by a second tier side, and in fairness is doing well. He seems like he could kick on. But it was still only Hull that were after him.

Azaz, signed by a mid-table second tier side for a few million.

I don't really see anything there that a side chasing Champions League football and is aiming to win major trophies is missing out on. I also don't think that if Emery had really wanted to keep any of them that we'd have sold them, regardless of FFP.