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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on August 27, 2023, 03:54:28 PM
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What's this not scoring at least 4 shit. Sort it out Emery.
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All good. Mostly.
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We're class.
We have a bad result and we bounce back.
We concede and come under pressure and then we score again.
This team has bottle and resilience.
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93 minutes and 1-3 on my stream. We could get another.
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Marvellous.
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Totally dominant barring a 5/10 minute spell at the start of the 2nd half. The scoreline doesn't truly reflect how good we were
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First 10 minutes of 2nd half aside, very comfortable and could have won by more. Zaniolo's cameo was promising.
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Unrecognisable from this time last year. Bloody brilliant time to follow the Villa.
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This time significantly less than a year ago, we were going nowhere other than in entirely the wrong direction, and beginning to stink the league out.
Now, we are a very, very good side indeed, and capable of getting better still.
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The best thing is that we score really good goals, 2nd and 3rd was superb football, far too good for a team like Burnley.
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Still worry about our Defence. Looked very shaky at times, and the only decent team we have played so far put 5 past us.
Just hope today was due to the Olsen effect.
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Watkins needs to sort his finishing out, pronto. Otherwise a very good result and dominant for 80 of the 90 minutes.
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Excellent.. Thank you boys. The end my holidays in Briatanny will be very pleasant. Off for a beer now.
UTV
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Zaniolo could become a bit of a cult hero.
But then again I said the same about Balaban after his debut.
So what I say should be taken with a pitch of salt.
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5 or 6 would not have flattered us , some lovely stuff played
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Not sure Traore at right back will catch on.
Should've scored at least 1 more, could've been another couple really.
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Aside from that rocky ten minute period after we conceded I thought we strolled that.
Could've easily scored 4 or 5 again.
Diaby is utter class. Great finish and Ollie needs to wake up a bit as Diaby should've assisted him in every prem game so far.
Also liked the look of Zaniolo when he came in. Not sure how he didn't score that chance but has some acceleration on him.
It's a good win. Burnley were pretty mediocre and I think they had a better team last season as no idea who half their signings are (but then you could say the same for us in 2019).
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Watkins needs to sort his finishing out, pronto. Otherwise a very good result and dominant for 80 of the 90 minutes.
He'd be a 50m+ player if he could finish consistently.
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The good:
first half terrific, first twenty-twentyfive absolutely raucous. When this side get going they really get going;
McGinn, Kamara and Digne for me were especially good in that spell especially;
Zaniolo looked fun, but selfish but you get it, it's a debut, he'll settle hopefully and we'll have some player there (the no-look pass, totally pointless but I loved it);
Diaby looks like an absolute phenomenon.
The bad:
beginning and end of the second half I thought we lost it, obviously we lost the goal at the beginning but the last 15 minutes or so were honestly dreadful! Gave away two chances, couldn't keep the ball, just nowheresville really. Can't afford a spell like those next week;
Ollie, man, you do so well at almost everything, if you even scored half your chances you'd get yourself 30 a season!
Overall, obviously, considering the injuries and everything, a win at a place I suspect will prove tough to go to this season is a huge positive, and some of the play was an absolute riot. We just need to calm ourselves down when we get into a rut.
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12 goals and 3 wins in three games since losing at Newsaudi United not a bad response.
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I think Olsen cops unwarranted flack mainly from the Stevenage shitshow. I think he looks a perfectly adequate back up. Let’s face it you won’t get a top notch goalie prepared to sit on the Ben h every week.
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Watkins needs to sort his finishing out, pronto. Otherwise a very good result and dominant for 80 of the 90 minutes.
He'd be a 50m+ player if he could finish consistently.
He already is a 50M+ player. Probably 70M+ if he was a better finisher.
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Olsen did what he needed to apart from getting caught in no-man's-land near the end. He looks like what he is; a back-up goalkeeper.
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Watkins needs to sort his finishing out, pronto. Otherwise a very good result and dominant for 80 of the 90 minutes.
He certainly has no luck.
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Absolutely bossed the midfield. We spent most the second half in cruise control. Olsen was ok I guess but he's no Emi Martinez. Ollie fluffed his lines again. The commentary I listened to was calling Luca Digne Dinya the whole game which is piss poor and very annoying. Overall another masterclass by Unai Emery.
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Martinez keeps a clean sheet if he plays today. Olsen wasn't unduly troubled for most of the games, but in a handful of moments he just seemed very indecisive (and slow), including the goal. Torres was good on the ball but I worry if he comes up against a very physical striker. He got rolled too easily for the goal. In fairness to him, a month or two down the line and he'll have got used to the physicality here.
Diego Carlos was very good today I thought. He looks very slow but a little like Richard Dunne, when you think he may get roasted he finds a set of afterburners.
McGinn, Cash, Kamara, and Diaby were particularly good today. Ollie was very good up top but should have scored.
It's a comfortable win at the end. Burnley do a lot well to be fair, but I feel like they might be one of those sides that plays it around nicely but ends up relegated because they lack a cutting edge. That said, I think they'll scrape over the line.
One thing I wouldn't want to see in a tighter game is Duran, Zaniolo and Troare on the pitch at the same time. They're all quite nonchalant and likely to give the ball away in dangerous areas. 1-2 on, but not all three. Unless we're 3-1 up and cruising to a bottom 6 side of course. Sidenote, Zaniolo looks tasty.
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Martinez keeps a clean sheet if he plays today. Olsen wasn't unduly troubled for most of the games, but in a handful of moments he just seemed very indecisive (and slow), including the goal.
Give it a rest mate. We don't need to keep finding paltry reasons to beat him up.
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Watkins needs to sort his finishing out, pronto. Otherwise a very good result and dominant for 80 of the 90 minutes.
He'd be a 50m+ player if he could finish consistently.
He’s definitely already worth more than that.
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Not seeing much love for Cash even though he got a double?
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Martinez keeps a clean sheet if he plays today. Olsen wasn't unduly troubled for most of the games, but in a handful of moments he just seemed very indecisive (and slow), including the goal. Torres was good on the ball but I worry if he comes up against a very physical striker. He got rolled too easily for the goal. In fairness to him, a month or two down the line and he'll have got used to the physicality here.
Diego Carlos was very good today I thought. He looks very slow but a little like Richard Dunne, when you think he may get roasted he finds a set of afterburners.
McGinn, Cash, Kamara, and Diaby were particularly good today. Ollie was very good up top but should have scored.
It's a comfortable win at the end. Burnley do a lot well to be fair, but I feel like they might be one of those sides that plays it around nicely but ends up relegated because they lack a cutting edge. That said, I think they'll scrape over the line.
One thing I wouldn't want to see in a tighter game is Duran, Zaniolo and Troare on the pitch at the same time. They're all quite nonchalant and likely to give the ball away in dangerous areas. 1-2 on, but not all three. Unless we're 3-1 up and cruising to a bottom 6 side of course. Sidenote, Zaniolo looks tasty.
I think that sums up my feelings.
Defence is a big worry for me but if we can just get by for the time being they will get better as a unit.
Everywhere on the pitch we look fantastic.
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Isn't this nice compared to this time last year? Well done Villa.
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Another 3 points - some great football at time - especially for the 2nd and 3rd goal.
think Diaby could be a game changer. He seems the real deal, and should take some of the pressure of Ollie. Will be interesting to see Carlos and Pau against better teams - but both look good with the ball.
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Absolutely bossed the midfield. We spent most the second half in cruise control. Olsen was ok I guess but he's no Emi Martinez. Ollie fluffed his lines again. The commentary I listened to was calling Luca Digne Dinya the whole game which is piss poor and very annoying. Overall another masterclass by Unai Emery.
How do you say his name, cos if you think he's a distant relative of Brian Deane you're more off the mark than the commentators.
#Justice4Dinya #YourNameWasDeborah-ItNeverSuitedYa
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Defence is a big worry for me but if we can just get by for the time being they will get better as a unit.
Everywhere on the pitch we look fantastic.
Didn’t see the game so cannot comment of specifics, but Carlos and Pau have hardly kicked a ball in the PL so deserve some slack whilst they get up to speed.
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The fans at the ground seemed very happy with Matty
I wonder why he gets dismissed so much on here
Must be a H&V thing
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Anyone concerned about squad depth needs to look at our injury list (Martinez, Mings, Buendia, Ramsey, Moreno, Dendoncker, Coutinho...Tim) and see we brought on Zaniolo, Tielemans, Traore and Duran, with Bailey unused.
Back up right back and we go. We go big.
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Absolutely bossed the midfield. We spent most the second half in cruise control. Olsen was ok I guess but he's no Emi Martinez. Ollie fluffed his lines again. The commentary I listened to was calling Luca Digne Dinya the whole game which is piss poor and very annoying. Overall another masterclass by Unai Emery.
How do you say his name, cos if you think he's a distant relative of Brian Deane you're more off the mark than the commentators.
#Justice4Dinya #YourNameWasDeborah-ItNeverSuitedYa
It's pronounced Dean as in Dean Smith.
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Dig-knee.
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Kidney, isn't it?
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Defence is a big worry for me but if we can just get by for the time being they will get better as a unit.
Everywhere on the pitch we look fantastic.
Didn’t see the game so cannot comment of specifics, but Carlos and Pau have hardly kicked a ball in the PL so deserve some slack whilst they get up to speed.
I recall Moreno having a rough first few games, too.
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Absolutely bossed the midfield. We spent most the second half in cruise control. Olsen was ok I guess but he's no Emi Martinez. Ollie fluffed his lines again. The commentary I listened to was calling Luca Digne Dinya the whole game which is piss poor and very annoying. Overall another masterclass by Unai Emery.
How do you say his name, cos if you think he's a distant relative of Brian Deane you're more off the mark than the commentators.
#Justice4Dinya #YourNameWasDeborah-ItNeverSuitedYa
It's pronounced Dean as in Dean Smith.
No it isn't.
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Defence is a big worry for me but if we can just get by for the time being they will get better as a unit.
Everywhere on the pitch we look fantastic.
Didn’t see the game so cannot comment of specifics, but Carlos and Pau have hardly kicked a ball in the PL so deserve some slack whilst they get up to speed.
I recall Moreno having a rough first few games, too.
First few minutes I think. After that he was flying.
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I don't expect us to win any game, and don't suppose I ever will now. But that's just the sort of banana skin match that we'd routinely launch ourselves over for just about most of my Villa supporting life. And I'd shrug and think 'there we go, that's us'. Sometimes looking like doing something, mostly being a bit mediocre and making up the numbers, albeit in the top flight.
But I'm just starting to believe we might be a proper force to be reckoned with again.
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Absolutely bossed the midfield. We spent most the second half in cruise control. Olsen was ok I guess but he's no Emi Martinez. Ollie fluffed his lines again. The commentary I listened to was calling Luca Digne Dinya the whole game which is piss poor and very annoying. Overall another masterclass by Unai Emery.
How do you say his name, cos if you think he's a distant relative of Brian Deane you're more off the mark than the commentators.
#Justice4Dinya #YourNameWasDeborah-ItNeverSuitedYa
It's pronounced Dean as in Dean Smith.
No it isn't.
I'll stand corrected then. Dinya it is.
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What's this not scoring at least 4 shit. Sort it out Emery.
Our joint lowest scoring game of to the season, only 4 goals. Boring boring Villa.
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Opta stats: Villa becoming a force away from home
Burnley have lost their opening two games of a season in each of their last three Premier League campaigns.
Since Unai Emery took charge in November 2022, only Manchester City (10) and Arsenal (9) have won more Premier League away games than Aston Villa (7).
Moussa Diaby is the first Frenchman to be involved in three Premier League goals in his first three appearances in the competition (2 goals, 1 assist) since Anthony Martial in September 2015.
Matty Cash scored just the second brace of his career in what is his 253rd appearance across all competitions, after his two-goal cameo for Nottingham Forest against Norwich in December 2018.
Ollie Watkins has been involved in 55 Premier League goals since his Aston Villa debut in September 2020 (40 goals, 15 assists).
Matty Cash's 20th minute brace is the earliest an Aston Villa player has scored twice in a Premier League away game since Darren Bent v Arsenal in May 2011 (15th min).
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Absolutely bossed the midfield. We spent most the second half in cruise control. Olsen was ok I guess but he's no Emi Martinez. Ollie fluffed his lines again. The commentary I listened to was calling Luca Digne Dinya the whole game which is piss poor and very annoying. Overall another masterclass by Unai Emery.
How do you say his name, cos if you think he's a distant relative of Brian Deane you're more off the mark than the commentators.
#Justice4Dinya #YourNameWasDeborah-ItNeverSuitedYa
It's pronounced Dean as in Dean Smith.
No it isn't.
I'll stand corrected then. Dinya it is.
Don't worry about it, he's just trying to divert attention away from the fact that 'Matty Cash, Matty Cash' scored twice. 8)
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Very decent performance indeed. Helped that they were mostly shit, but lots of good displays out there. Luiz is just ridiculously good, and I enjoyed Zaniolo’s short cameo. Ollie though, dear oh dear the shooting boots were at home today.
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We do play lovely football at times. Zaniolo improved us. A star for us in the making. It should have been a 6-1 win but 3pts is 3pts.
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Ha, I'm happy for Matej Cash to do this every game.
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Olsen did what he needed to apart from getting caught in no-man's-land near the end. He looks like what he is; a back-up goalkeeper.
Have to disagree, suicidal pass to Kamara , the headless chicken flap leaving Rodriguez an empty net, the guy is a joke .
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Absolutely bossed the midfield. We spent most the second half in cruise control. Olsen was ok I guess but he's no Emi Martinez. Ollie fluffed his lines again. The commentary I listened to was calling Luca Digne Dinya the whole game which is piss poor and very annoying. Overall another masterclass by Unai Emery.
How do you say his name, cos if you think he's a distant relative of Brian Deane you're more off the mark than the commentators.
#Justice4Dinya #YourNameWasDeborah-ItNeverSuitedYa
It's pronounced Dean as in Dean Smith.
No it isn't.
I'll stand corrected then. Dinya it is.
Don't worry about it, he's just trying to divert attention away from the fact that 'Matty Cash, Matty Cash' scored twice. 8)
He was inches away from his hat trick as well. He's really looking the part these days.
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Matty Cash as RB/ RWB is mostly decent for us.
But Mateusz Gotowka - this new Polish right mid - is different gravy.
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Olsen did what he needed to apart from getting caught in no-man's-land near the end. He looks like what he is; a back-up goalkeeper.
Have to disagree, suicidal pass to Kamara , the headless chicken flap leaving Rodriguez an empty net, the guy is a joke .
I think Kamara was more at fault with passing it back twice and being too slow to move it on.
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Olsen wil trip us up we need a competent back up. McGinn another good game as did Luca digne. We could do something this season injuries or lack of them will decide
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https://www.skysports.com/football/burnley-vs-a-villa/482615
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Olsen did what he needed to apart from getting caught in no-man's-land near the end. He looks like what he is; a back-up goalkeeper.
Have to disagree, suicidal pass to Kamara , the headless chicken flap leaving Rodriguez an empty net, the guy is a joke .
Having seen it from a different angle now, that was crisp packet hands for the goal.
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Considering our injuries, I think we are playing some great football. I need to look out my old scoring boots though to pass onto Ollie.
Loads of good performances again today with McGinn the stand out for me.
Can see Unai playing quite a mix of players v Hibs and, for once, I wouldn’t blame him.
I also think we’ll give Liverpool a good game next week.
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Disappointed we conceded. Emery out.
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Olsen did what he needed to apart from getting caught in no-man's-land near the end. He looks like what he is; a back-up goalkeeper.
Have to disagree, suicidal pass to Kamara , the headless chicken flap leaving Rodriguez an empty net, the guy is a joke .
Having seen it from a different angle now, that was crisp packet hands for the goal.
I thought at the time he should have saved it
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A run of three convincing wins against teams that have looked mostly shit.
Under Gerrard opposition teams never looked shit.
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1-3 flattered them, Ollie's unbelievable miss was a shocker and Zaniolo made a mess of that counter just after he came on. With all our injuries, Olsen and a completely new formation, it's a great result. Lee Hendrie was doling lots of praise on Burnley, maybe trying to appear neutral, but honestly thought they were very poor. Someone on the pre match thread called me Tony Mowbrays WBA and to be honest that's what they looked. Special mentions to Cash obviously for two fine goals, Carlos first 90 mins in a long time but a rock, Kamara best game in a while and McGinn was immense. Torres was very soft for their goal and was rocking for a while afterwards. Zaniolo showed nice touches when he came in.
Olsen 6, Konsa 7, Carlos 8, Torres 6, Cash 8, Luiz 7, Kamara 8, Digne 7, McGinn 9, Watkins 7, Diaby 7.
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And we score again.
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Diego played 90 min at Hibs. He’s getting better with each week. Confidence has to be a big thing after his injury, but he’s clearly a very good player.
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I thought Zaniolo did very well considering he was only on for 15 minutes. A promising start.
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And we score again.
Delayed stream?
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Not the toughest game we'll have this year but some very positive signs.
Promoted teams away at the start of the season can be tricky, as we know well. However, I thought we were it total control first half. When they scored so early in the second half I feared the worst but we rode out the storm and we continued to look very threatening on the counter. I love the way we move the ball around centrally at times rather than just going wide.
McGinn my MOTM, closely followed by Diaby and Cash. Credit to Digne too. For all the noise in the background he has been very impressive this week. I kinow they'll face tougher opponents but I've got every faith that Carlos and Torres will prove excellent acquisitions.
In Unai we trust!
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Magic to watch. Really looking forward to Thursday now and seeing more!
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Olsen did what he needed to apart from getting caught in no-man's-land near the end. He looks like what he is; a back-up goalkeeper.
Have to disagree, suicidal pass to Kamara , the headless chicken flap leaving Rodriguez an empty net, the guy is a joke .
Having seen it from a different angle now, that was crisp packet hands for the goal.
I thought at the time he should have saved it
Yet you don’t mention Torres getting turned so the guy could get his shot off from 6 yards?
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Always great to beat Burnley. They’re like the turd that won’t flush. You think you’ve got rid of it and then up it pops again.
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SJM and Diaby. The real top drawer players in our squad.
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And we score again.
Delayed stream?
Not just delayed, dammed.
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Olsen did what he needed to apart from getting caught in no-man's-land near the end. He looks like what he is; a back-up goalkeeper.
Have to disagree, suicidal pass to Kamara , the headless chicken flap leaving Rodriguez an empty net, the guy is a joke .
Having seen it from a different angle now, that was crisp packet hands for the goal.
I thought at the time he should have saved it
Yet you don’t mention Torres getting turned so the guy could get his shot off from 6 yards?
It doesn't suit the current narrative on this forum to heap shit on Olsen even when there is no reason.
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Olsen should have done better, but Torres was poor for their goal. He can't allow himself to be bullied by the striker so easily
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Olsen did what he needed to apart from getting caught in no-man's-land near the end. He looks like what he is; a back-up goalkeeper.
Have to disagree, suicidal pass to Kamara , the headless chicken flap leaving Rodriguez an empty net, the guy is a joke .
Having seen it from a different angle now, that was crisp packet hands for the goal.
I thought at the time he should have saved it
Yet you don’t mention Torres getting turned so the guy could get his shot off from 6 yards?
It doesn't suit the current narrative on this forum to heap shit on Olsen even when there is no reason.
I stuck up for him on a Villa Facebook page, but then saw the different angle on the highlights posted here. Very weak effort by both of them.
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I wouldn't say bullied, just out-thought. Torres thought the player was going to turn to his left and shoot so went for the that and then was wrong side of the actual shot.
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Both are true, Torres was weak for the goal, as was Olsen.
He came out and flapped when Torres cleared it, he came flying out again Rodriguez missed the chance, he panicked and walloped it straight back at Kamara. I'm sure Emi has been guiltily of some of this stuff too, but just because we won doesn't mean he played well.
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Olsen did what he needed to apart from getting caught in no-man's-land near the end. He looks like what he is; a back-up goalkeeper.
Have to disagree, suicidal pass to Kamara , the headless chicken flap leaving Rodriguez an empty net, the guy is a joke .
Having seen it from a different angle now, that was crisp packet hands for the goal.
Thought Martinez would have saved it alright. Torres was done really poorly though.
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Torres got rolled too easily for the goal but Olsen should have done better.
Then there's the headless chicken flap leaving Rodriguez an empty net, plus the suicidal pass to Kamara that almost cost us.
Emery was furious with Olsen first half for booting it long. He's a pub league goalie and we need better
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And we score again.
Delayed stream?
Haha, no in just mean we've only not scored in 2 games (both away) since Emery came in.
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Just before the cross came in for their goal Carlos headed a ball behind him while facing Olsen that he'd have nodded safely back to Martinez.
That was the problem with the goal.
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Olsen should have done better, but Torres was poor for their goal. He can't allow himself to be bullied by the striker so easily
I think we may see a bit of this for the next month or two as he adjusts. One of the big minuses about Tyrone’s injury is it hasn’t allowed Torres to find time to get used to the Premier League.
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And we score again.
Delayed stream?
Haha, no in just mean we've only not scored in 2 games (both away) since Emery came in.
Typically I was at both, and I don't get to aways that often.
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And we score again.
Delayed stream?
Haha, no in just mean we've only not scored in 2 games (both away) since Emery came in.
Typically I was at both, and I don't get to aways that often.
Well. I suggest you keep it that way then.
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Just read that Emery has never had a 0-0 result in a Premier League fixture.
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Zaniolo reminds me of Tommy Johnson. We look the dogs balls.
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Apparently Burnley fans have bricked the Villa team bus
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Apparently Burnley fans have bricked the Villa team bus
Well isn't that nice.
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Unpopular opinion but wasn’t Watkins offside for our third goal?
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Zaniolo reminds me of Tommy Johnson. We look the dogs balls.
With great respect to Tommy Johnson, I’m hoping he’s going to be better than that.
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Unpopular opinion but wasn’t Watkins offside for our third goal?
Not unpopular, just wrong.
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I think if Watkins had been a yard to his left it would have been ruled offside and correctly so. Where he was stood though, he didn't seem to block the keepers view
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Zaniolo reminds me of Tommy Johnson. We look the dogs balls.
With great respect to Tommy Johnson, I’m hoping he’s going to be better than that.
Did he throw up on the pitch then?
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Unpopular opinion but wasn’t Watkins offside for our third goal?
It was reviewed and determined he wasn't a factor.
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And we score again.
Delayed stream?
Haha, no in just mean we've only not scored in 2 games (both away) since Emery came in.
*wink*
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Just read the Villa team bus was bricked - front window smashed.
I guess every club has its morons - not a good look
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I think if Watkins had been a yard to his left it would have been ruled offside and correctly so. Where he was stood though, he didn't seem to block the keepers view
Obviously no Villa goal should ever be disallowed but I’m old school and goal’s like that trouble me, ok according to the current rules but can’t see how his position doesn’t affect goalkeeper. I felt the same with that bloody Arsenal third goal at VP last year.
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On way home. Very very good team performance. Clinical with the 3 goals and still could have had more. The future looks promising under Uni.
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Apparently Burnley fans have bricked the Villa team bus
Inbred gobshites
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Apparently Burnley fans have bricked the Villa team bus
Inbred gobshites
You forgot Racist
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Apparently Burnley fans have bricked the Villa team bus
Inbred gobshites
Just been on their forum to see if there was any info and lots of embarrassment and anger on their to be fair.
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Apparently Burnley fans have bricked the Villa team bus
Bad losers. https://twitter.com/J_Tanswell/status/1695838465030545792
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Apparently Burnley fans have bricked the Villa team bus
Inbred gobshites
First match they booed the knee, through a lighter at a player, and a pitch invader
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Apparently Burnley fans have bricked the Villa team bus
Inbred gobshites
Just been on their forum to see if there was any info and lots of embarrassment and anger on their to be fair.
Did they get the number of mushroom pieces completely wrong?
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Just read the Villa team bus was bricked - front window smashed.
I guess every club has its morons - not a good look
Those Burnley fans must've been scared. Half of them have never seen a horseless carriage before.
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I thought we were fucking great. As a team, I said to a mate, we dont seem to run, we seem to just pass. It must save us a shit load of energy. We look really good to watch.
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Pleasing performance apart from the dodgy 10 minutes at start of second half. Not sure why Olsen is getting so much attention on the post match thread. Would appear some have it in for him regardless of his performance which I deemed adequate today.
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How are Burnley at home again next week? I know they didn't play last week, but that's 3 in a row.
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How are Burnley at home again next week? I know they didn't play last week, but that's 3 in a row.
We’re away again as well. That’s three out of four.
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Brexit 1-3 Villa
Apart from the odd lapse I thought we were great.
Konsa looks so much better on the ball than before Emery came in
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How are Burnley at home again next week? I know they didn't play last week, but that's 3 in a row.
We’re away again as well. That’s three out of four.
I know we requested our first match be away to give the pitch more time, and Luton have requested a few away matches to start..... so maybe that's made things weird for other teams, knock on effect.
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Olsen did what he needed to apart from getting caught in no-man's-land near the end. He looks like what he is; a back-up goalkeeper.
Have to disagree, suicidal pass to Kamara , the headless chicken flap leaving Rodriguez an empty net, the guy is a joke .
Having seen it from a different angle now, that was crisp packet hands for the goal.
I thought at the time he should have saved it
Yet you don’t mention Torres getting turned so the guy could get his shot off from 6 yards?
It doesn't suit the current narrative on this forum to heap shit on Olsen even when there is no reason.
I stuck up for him on a Villa Facebook page, but then saw the different angle on the highlights posted here. Very weak effort by both of them.
Olsen is poor, we all know that and I can’t see how anyone can mount an evidence based defense of this fact. (Perhaps he’s amazing for the national team?)
Unai has decided that there are higher priorities than a capable backup, so we roll the dice. Hopefully Emi is back sharpish.
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Just read the Villa team bus was bricked - front window smashed.
I guess every club has its morons - not a good look
Its grim up North
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Konsa looks so much better on the ball than before Emery came in
That's the difference between an elite manager like Emery and an also ran like Gerrard.
Emery has improved so many players, and so much. Gerrard didn't improve any of them, and spent most of the time playing hard man and picking fights like some sort of 1980s manager would have done.
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Superb performance.
Our midfield is so strong at denying space to work in, but in general the whole out of possession defensive shape across the pitch today was excellent. We seemed to smother them and then came the surgical dismemberment of Burnley when we nicked the ball.
Felt they gave us space, but nonetheless, we cut them to ribbons on the break. Diaby in that 2nd striker/10 area has increased the quality massively.
Digne did well to gallop into acres of space down the left, but it will be interesting to see how that danger on the break increases when Alex "3 lungs" Moreno is back.
Feel that Torres was weak for the goal, getting sold one way, but a minor blemish. His distribution is great though. There was a ball he played in the 1st half that looked beyond some of the midfielders we've had in the past decade, never mind a centre half. Carlos looks a bit too much for the long pass for me, but by and large, both were comfortable. Carlos showing some good recovery speed and strength too.
But slow out after the break, but the scoreline flattered them. Zaniolo looked promising, thunderous shot, good turn of pace, shame he couldn't pick Ollie out. Also a shame Ollie didn't score.
One or two more additions, Moreno and JJ to return and we'll have a great season.
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That 2nd goal had me making high pitched noises at the TV.
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The players we keep doubting are currently coming up with the goods. Sign of a quality team.
Special mention for cash and digne this week. What a manager we have
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Just read the Villa team bus was bricked - front window smashed.
I guess every club has its morons - not a good look
Its grim up North
Autoglass repair
Autoglass replace
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Absolutely bossed the midfield. We spent most the second half in cruise control. Olsen was ok I guess but he's no Emi Martinez. Ollie fluffed his lines again. The commentary I listened to was calling Luca Digne Dinya the whole game which is piss poor and very annoying. Overall another masterclass by Unai Emery.
How do you say his name, cos if you think he's a distant relative of Brian Deane you're more off the mark than the commentators.
#Justice4Dinya #YourNameWasDeborah-ItNeverSuitedYa
It's pronounced Dean as in Dean Smith.
No it isn't.
I'll stand corrected then. Dinya it is.
I think you were right the first time:
https://twitter.com/robbopalmer/status/1043103812783955968?lang=en-GB
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Shitty Burnley fans for bricking our team coach. It's certainly grim up North with these morons....
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19 goals in 4 Villa matches (we'll ignore which direction 5 of them went) this season. That's exciting viewing if nothing else.
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Shitty Burnley fans for bricking our team coach. It's certainly grim up North with these morons....
Like Paul says, bunch of Brexit twats. Get them back in the lower leagues to scrap with their Millwall brethren.
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Just read the Villa team bus was bricked - front window smashed.
I guess every club has its morons - not a good look
Those Burnley fans must've been scared. Half of them have never seen a horseless carriage before.
Very good Bish.
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Konsa looks so much better on the ball than before Emery came in
That's the difference between an elite manager like Emery and an also ran like Gerrard.
He's still not a Moreno, but so many times he just took the piss with their winger, threw in a little dribble or turn like an attacking midfielder would do.
I reckon it was that pre-season goal that did it. He just woke up and realised "fuck, I can dribble round these chumps just as well as anyone else can".
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We look like a hugely accomplished team. The midfield, as others have said, were superb at denying them any space to work in.
We had a tough few minutes at the start of the second half - which is going to happen in the vast majority of PL games - but while your Villa PTSD conditions you to fear the worst, we calmly adjust and just go and score again, retake control of the game.
My only critique is that we should have scored more.
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(https://i.ibb.co/3SK4dP8/IMG-6677.png) (https://ibb.co/3SK4dP8)
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Shitty Burnley fans for bricking our team coach. It's certainly grim up North with these morons....
Like Paul says, bunch of Brexit twats. Get them back in the lower leagues to scrap with their Millwall brethren.
Let's not get too self righteous. Every club including ourselves have a minority of moronic wankers. The footage of a Derby fans coach being attacked at the play off final is not pleasant. In fairness the Burnley fans forum I've just looked at is showing uniform disgust and condemnation.
The reality is a lot of us let off steam and act in ways we wouldn't consider away from football but it isnt remotely close to anything violent. Football has changed so much in the last 30 years and not always for the better. But you now usually go to games without having to look around what may be happening to keep yourself out of harms way. None of these idiots from any club should be allowed to take us back to those bad old days.
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Youd hope to fuck that they didn't throw something at it while it was moving on the motorway.
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Just read the Villa team bus was bricked - front window smashed.
I guess every club has its morons - not a good look
Those Burnley fans must've been scared. Half of them have never seen a horseless carriage before.
Very good Bish.
We've brought in Diaby, Torres, Tielemans, and Zaniolo. I think I would be pretty jealous of a window like that.
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Was an early morning watch for me, but some great stuff from what I saw. I mentioned at half-time that Pau was looking legit, and of course he came out and fell asleep right after the half, so blame that one on me. Other than that I thought he looked very good. Carlos looked like a unit and Konsa looked great as well. If they can play for a full 90 minutes, I think we will be fine without Mings while he recovers.
Olsen is Olsen. I don't think he was as dire as some make him out to be, but he does have his lapses thay make you hold your breath. I think the issue is, I'm not sure you're going to find a real quality keeper that's willing to come in and resign himself to the bench behind Martinez for 95% of matches.
I think this formation really suited Cash and Digne. Both are much better bombing forward in attacks than defending the wings.
The midfield was solid as always, and Diaby and McGinn were probably the best players on the field. Watkins misses a lot, but I can forgive him for today as when he got the shot off the keeper was already on top of him.
Zaniolo looks like a tasty new option. Can't wait to see how he develops this year. He probably should have passed over to Watkins on that one break away, but you could tell he really wanted a debut goal. Or maybe he's seen Watkins finishing this year? 😄
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Youd hope to fuck that they didn't throw something at it while it was moving on the motorway.
That's what that previous post suggests to me. I'd hope there'd be criminal charges brought if that is the case.
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On a side note, is there a pronunciation guide for our players? I've seen announcers use all kinds of variations whenever I can watch.
Dean-yuh, Dean-yay or Dean?
Dee-yah-bee or Dee-a-bee?
Martin-ez or Mar-teen-ez?
Kuh-mar-uh or Camera?
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Superb performance.
Our midfield is so strong at denying space to work in, but in general the whole out of possession defensive shape across the pitch today was excellent. We seemed to smother them and then came the surgical dismemberment of Burnley when we nicked the ball.
Felt they gave us space, but nonetheless, we cut them to ribbons on the break. Diaby in that 2nd striker/10 area has increased the quality massively.
Digne did well to gallop into acres of space down the left, but it will be interesting to see how that danger on the break increases when Alex "3 lungs" Moreno is back.
Feel that Torres was weak for the goal, getting sold one way, but a minor blemish. His distribution is great though. There was a ball he played in the 1st half that looked beyond some of the midfielders we've had in the past decade, never mind a centre half. Carlos looks a bit too much for the long pass for me, but by and large, both were comfortable. Carlos showing some good recovery speed and strength too.
But slow out after the break, but the scoreline flattered them. Zaniolo looked promising, thunderous shot, good turn of pace, shame he couldn't pick Ollie out. Also a shame Ollie didn't score.
One or two more additions, Moreno and JJ to return and we'll have a great season.
I thought Carlos moved ahead of Torres in the CB pecking order today. Very solid. He's effectively a new signing.
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On a side note, is there a pronunciation guide for our players? I've seen announcers use all kinds of variations whenever I can watch.
Dean-yuh, Dean-yay or Dean?
Dee-yah-bee or Dee-a-bee?
Martin-ez or Mar-teen-ez?
Kuh-mar-uh or Camera?
I'm still not that sure on John Sleeuwenhoek and Brian Greenhalgh.
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Up. The. Fucking. Villa. Get in you true claret and blues
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I liked the bit in the first half when we were passing it around at the back then Pau saw a gap and just glided through to the half way line and passed it out to the wing. Disappointing that he was rolled so easily for the goal but he’s (and Carlos) still finding his feet.
A very encouraging team performance.
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Martinez keeps a clean sheet if he plays today. Olsen wasn't unduly troubled for most of the games, but in a handful of moments he just seemed very indecisive (and slow), including the goal.
Give it a rest mate. We don't need to keep finding paltry reasons to beat him up.
He would have, though. And if Burnley had hut the target more they'd have scored more.
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Martinez keeps a clean sheet if he plays today. Olsen wasn't unduly troubled for most of the games, but in a handful of moments he just seemed very indecisive (and slow), including the goal.
Give it a rest mate. We don't need to keep finding paltry reasons to beat him up.
He would have, though. And if Burnley had hut the target more they'd have scored more.
If only someone had told them it wss that easy!
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have to say i loved the all white kit today. :-*
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Magic to watch. Really looking forward to Thursday now and seeing more!
I wish we had two games a day!
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have to say i loved the all white kit today. :-*
Me too. Very classy.
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have to say i loved the all white kit today. :-*
Me too. Very classy.
I would have no issue if we wear that combo in Athens
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Team bus attacked? https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1695872066392650168?t=kWzA-DGdIOV-nCMuwIVk5Q&s=19
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Team bus attacked? https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1695872066392650168?t=kWzA-DGdIOV-nCMuwIVk5Q&s=19
Just read about this on yahoo. Disgraceful behaviour
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Team bus attacked? https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1695872066392650168?t=kWzA-DGdIOV-nCMuwIVk5Q&s=19
Just read about this.
WTF is wrong with people?
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Aston Villa team bus hit by brick after win at Burnley - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66635771
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Team bus attacked? https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1695872066392650168?t=kWzA-DGdIOV-nCMuwIVk5Q&s=19
Just read about this.
WTF is wrong with people?
There are and always have been idiots. Thankfully more transparent nowadays.
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This appears to be what happened
https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874
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This appears to be what happened
https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874
Amazing that they're always stupid enough to film themselves doing it and then post it on the internet.
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First away game for me for quite a while and a top day out. Thought we were superb all over the pitch, controlled the game apart from the sloppy first 5 or so minutes of the second half. Special mentions to Diaby and McGinn but no criticism of anyone today a brilliant all round team performance. Loving the new songs getting an airing as well even if I can’t make out the words of all of them.
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On a side note, is there a pronunciation guide for our players? I've seen announcers use all kinds of variations whenever I can watch.
Dean-yuh, Dean-yay or Dean?
Dee-yah-bee or Dee-a-bee?
Martin-ez or Mar-teen-ez?
Kuh-mar-uh or Camera?
I'm still not that sure on John Sleeuwenhoek and Brian Greenhalgh.
Tulip and BG.....easy ;)
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On a side note, is there a pronunciation guide for our players? I've seen announcers use all kinds of variations whenever I can watch.
Dean-yuh, Dean-yay or Dean?
Dee-yah-bee or Dee-a-bee?
Martin-ez or Mar-teen-ez?
Kuh-mar-uh or Camera?
Martínez has an í rather than an i so it's mart-een-ez. Digne was unveiled earlier in the thread as Dean. No idea about Kamara.
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It's pronounced Kamara.
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Well that settles it!
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This appears to be what happened
https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874
A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.
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It's pronounced Kamara.
Thanks. That's good to know :)
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This appears to be what happened
https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874
A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.
Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?
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Just a little bit.
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Jeeese. That could have been catastrophic. What absolute morons. I 100% expect this to have criminal proceedings.
As an aside, can anyone make out what the illiterate toe rags say?
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Great win and great away day.
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This appears to be what happened
https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874
A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.
Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?
Yeah, his false equivocation falling flat.
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This appears to be what happened
https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874
A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.
Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?
Yeah, his false equivocation falling flat.
I think Paddy's employing irony.
My own dad's take was "oh dear, wait until they come to VP, they'll find we have our own share of lunatics".
As if that's anything to be proud of. It's depressing.
As plenty have said, this isn't some 'nawty boys' looking for fisticuffs, it is one or two daft ****** who could've killed scores of people in a traffic accident.
I'm no fan of Burnley, but credit to them and their fans for condemning it. I hope they catch the morons responsible and that Burnley fans and players suffer no comeback, because it isn't - and shouldn't be - on them.
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Still worry about our Defence. Looked very shaky at times, and the only decent team we have played so far put 5 past us.
Just hope today was due to the Olsen effect.
This is how I feel, too.
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This appears to be what happened
https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874
A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.
Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?
Yeah, his false equivocation falling flat.
You need to grow a pair mate. The lads of Big Talk didn't fanny around at Goose Green because of a few bricks. This is what we want, isn't it? Their lot having a go at our lot. It's just the fancunter as it was designed and meant to be. Don't clutch your pearls, get singing!
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This appears to be what happened
https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874
Amazing that they're always stupid enough to film themselves doing it and then post it on the internet.
Some replies said that wasn’t the incident.
From the BBC
Supt Melita Worswick, of Lancashire Police, said: "This incident occurred when a great deal of traffic was leaving the area following the football match between Burnley and Aston Villa.
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Brexit 1-3 Villa
Birmingham voted Leave, so technically it’s Brexit 1 - Brexit 3.
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Lovely stuff. I was at Wembley yesterday for a wrestling event, so only caught the result. Impressive to go up there and win comfortably.
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This appears to be what happened
https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874
A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.
Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?
Why do we want to 'wind up' fans of other clubs?
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There's a difference between wankery and violence, strikes me as a pretty important difference not to collapse!
Also - this isn't even a tit-for-tat attack on fans but a brick at the team, on the motorway! People could've died! Paddy, tell me you're on the windup here, this is not the same as singing a song.
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Brexit 1-3 Villa
Birmingham voted Leave, so technically it’s Brexit 1 - Brexit 3.
Technically but while 50.4% voted leave in Birmingham it was 66.6% in Burnley.
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This appears to be what happened
https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874
A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.
Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?
Why do we want to 'wind up' fans of other clubs?
It’s been a thing for all of my decades of going to football, from fans of every single club, so not really a question for this match as a stand alone.
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In the early years of this century, the citizens of Burnley regularly elected BNP councillors. Since then, they've lurched further right.
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What’s with the Brexit obsession?
I’d imagine the majority of our supporters voted for it as well.
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Well, as has been said before, every fan base has their own set of morons.
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As long as I draw breath I will curse Brexit.
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I couldn’t give a fuck how the denizens of Burnley voted or for that matter those of Birmingham. What did strike me about the place though was how poor the place felt, the lack of money that seemed to permeate the public realm. For a poor Northern mill town though in football terms they punch above their weight to be fair to them.
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Watched the highlights on MOTD2. If only Ollie could not hit the keeper from point blank range the scoreline would have been epic.
Olsen’s attempt to save their goal was odd. Was he even at full stretch?
The midfield of McGinn, Kamara & Luiz seems to have everything. At this rate Tielemens & Ramsey will have to be patient, when JJ is fit that is.
Felt Pau could have been a touch more physical for their goal but thought he had a good game.
Carlos has had a couple of free headers from corners. He’ll soon nod one in.
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I think we already look much better than last season, which must be a concern for the rest of the division.
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Olsen’s attempt to save their goal was odd. Was he even at full stretch?
I've watched it a couple of times and it does like he jumps and then doesn't do anything with his arms, but it's hard to know how fast/far the ball was going past him, maybe he wasn't getting it anyway. He made a decent save later on though, and really wasn't that troubled by them.
I think we need to be very string in defence when Olsen is playing, but I think we're capable of that. My worry with him as backup would really only be if Emi got injured in the warmup or something. I think a full week of training knowing Olsen is playing would allow everyone to prepare adequately.
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Well, as has been said before, every fan base has they’re own set of morons,
Well, this is awkward.
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Oof, don't let the kids see that.
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Olsen’s attempt to save their goal was odd. Was he even at full stretch?
I've watched it a couple of times and it does like he jumps and then doesn't do anything with his arms, but it's hard to know how fast/far the ball was going past him, maybe he wasn't getting it anyway. He made a decent save later on though, and really wasn't that troubled by them.
I think we need to be very string in defence when Olsen is playing, but I think we're capable of that. My worry with him as backup would really only be if Emi got injured in the warmup or something. I think a full week of training knowing Olsen is playing would allow everyone to prepare adequately.
Yeah Emery our very own puppeteer.
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This appears to be what happened
https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874
A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.
Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?
Yeah, his false equivocation falling flat.
You need to grow a pair mate. The lads of Big Talk didn't fanny around at Goose Green because of a few bricks. This is what we want, isn't it? Their lot having a go at our lot. It's just the fancunter as it was designed and meant to be. Don't clutch your pearls, get singing!
Are you OK?
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Songs aren't the same as bricks.
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It's pronounced Kamara.
Thanks. That's good to know :)
And for those of you watching in black and white, the pink is behind the yellow
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I like it, feckin like it.
A professional performance, eased through a 'banana peel' of a trip and yet only 13 pages on the post match thread. Some of which are not match related.
Our fans expectation levels have rocketed up. Most of us expected to win and will expect villa to beat most of the teams in this league.
Not only has Unai transformed the team, he has transformed the fans!! It's almost like we are taking wins 'for granted'. Bit like Man City fans!!
Hopefully, them days of our nervousness being transmitted to the players on the pitch are behind us.
P.S. Well done Matty Cash, class performance.
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There's a difference between wankery and violence, strikes me as a pretty important difference not to collapse!
Also - this isn't even a tit-for-tat attack on fans but a brick at the team, on the motorway! People could've died! Paddy, tell me you're on the windup here, this is not the same as singing a song.
Looking at their forum there is mention of an incident when our fans bricked their coaches in the car park at Villa Park as they left. I do have a vague recollection of this. So there may be some element of ‘tit for tat’.
Whilst throwing bricks at a vehicle moving at speed clearly adds some risk, throwing bricks through windows where people (including children) are inside could always end very badly.
As has been said, we all have our share of idiots.
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There's a difference between wankery and violence, strikes me as a pretty important difference not to collapse!
Also - this isn't even a tit-for-tat attack on fans but a brick at the team, on the motorway! People could've died! Paddy, tell me you're on the windup here, this is not the same as singing a song.
Looking at their forum there is mention of an incident when our fans bricked their coaches in the car park at Villa Park as they left. I do have a vague recollection of this. So there may be some element of ‘tit for tat’.
Whilst throwing bricks at a vehicle moving at speed clearly adds some risk, throwing bricks through windows where people (including children) are inside could always end very badly.
As has been said, we all have our share of idiots.
Yeah I'm not in the tribalism thing, but it's not the players' fault for what fans do so it's still nonsense. Was really going after this 'it's the same as wanker songs' business.
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That McGinn spin for the 3rd was so good. Best arse in football.
Cheating Stripey Bastard Rodriguez got the stick he deserves, although I thought he was offside for probably their best chance, but he was in a lot more space looking at MotD than I can fathom.
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:P
I couldn’t give a fuck how the denizens of Burnley voted or for that matter those of Birmingham. What did strike me about the place though was how poor the place felt, the lack of money that seemed to permeate the public realm. For a poor Northern mill town though in football terms they punch above their weight to be fair to them.
Well one of the reasons that many of their number, like many others, voted Leave was exactly due to lack of opportunities. Something lost on the working folk of Westminster and their £100 a head dinners.
Anyway your main point on fan base - incredible for town its size
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:PI couldn’t give a fuck how the denizens of Burnley voted or for that matter those of Birmingham. What did strike me about the place though was how poor the place felt, the lack of money that seemed to permeate the public realm. For a poor Northern mill town though in football terms they punch above their weight to be fair to them.
Well one of the reasons that many of their number, like many others, voted Leave was exactly due to lack of opportunities. Something lost on the working folk of Westminster and their £100 a head dinners.
Anyway your main point on fan base - incredible for town its size
Burnley's fan base extends well beyond the town. The towns further up the M65 like Nelson and Colne, Clitheroe and the Ribble Valley, over the Yorkshire border and places like Barnoldswick, Skipton, Keighley and Todmorden, the East Lancs towns in the Rossendale Valley. Granted it's not a metropolitan area, but the statistic that Burnley has more season ticket holders per head of population or something like that doesn't factor in that the support actually comes from a wide geographical area.
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Well, as has been said before, every fan base has they’re own set of morons,
Well, this is awkward.
Now changed. Spellchecker.
Not sure a typo and being told by liars to vote to be poorer and then doing it can be equated. Still football thread so we should draw a line.
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Well, as has been said before, every fan base has they’re own set of morons,
Well, this is awkward.
Now changed. Spellchecker.
Not sure a typo and being told by liars to vote to be poorer and then doing it can be equated. Still football thread so we should draw a line.
Not too sure about that. There aren't many things worse than the Tories, but "they're" instead of "their" is one of them, IMHO.
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I couldn’t give a fuck how the denizens of Burnley voted or for that matter those of Birmingham. What did strike me about the place though was how poor the place felt, the lack of money that seemed to permeate the public realm. For a poor Northern mill town though in football terms they punch above their weight to be fair to them.
As I've said before, it's almost twenty years since I walked through Burnley town centre and for the first time ever realised how people could vote BNP. When you've got nothing then a man in a smart suit smiles, tells you he understands you and agrees that the main parties have let you down, he'll likely get your vote. Then when the others tell you you're thick because you voted for him, you'll do it again.
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Songs aren't the same as bricks.
Ooh, I dunno, I remember this one from the 1980s.
He's only a poor little Scouser
His face is all tattered and torn
He made me feel sick
So i hit him with a particularly edgy rendition of the 'humane' aria of The Mikado
And now he don't sing any more
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Well, as has been said before, every fan base has they’re own set of morons,
Well, this is awkward.
Now changed. Spellchecker.
Not sure a typo and being told by liars to vote to be poorer and then doing it can be equated. Still football thread so we should draw a line.
Not too sure about that. There aren't many things worse than the Tories, but "they're" instead of "their" is one of them, IMHO.
I'm going to rise above this debate. I couldn't lower my standards so far. That would be unpossible.
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Watched the highlights on MOTD2. If only Ollie could not hit the keeper from point blank range the scoreline would have been epic.
Olsen’s attempt to save their goal was odd. Was he even at full stretch?
The midfield of McGinn, Kamara & Luiz seems to have everything. At this rate Tielemens & Ramsey will have to be patient, when JJ is fit that is.
Felt Pau could have been a touch more physical for their goal but thought he had a good game.
Carlos has had a couple of free headers from corners. He’ll soon nod one in.
Olsen stretched enough to reach it, but his hand wasn’t strong enough to stop it.
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Watched the highlights on MOTD2. If only Ollie could not hit the keeper from point blank range the scoreline would have been epic.
Olsen’s attempt to save their goal was odd. Was he even at full stretch?
The midfield of McGinn, Kamara & Luiz seems to have everything. At this rate Tielemens & Ramsey will have to be patient, when JJ is fit that is.
Felt Pau could have been a touch more physical for their goal but thought he had a good game.
Carlos has had a couple of free headers from corners. He’ll soon nod one in.
Olsen stretched enough to reach it, but his hand wasn’t strong enough to stop it.
Mostly because it's made of an empty pickled onion Monster Munch packet.
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Looking at their forum there is mention of an incident when our fans bricked their coaches in the car park at Villa Park as they left. I do have a vague recollection of this. So there may be some element of ‘tit for tat’.
Whilst throwing bricks at a vehicle moving at speed clearly adds some risk, throwing bricks through windows where people (including children) are inside could always end very badly.
As has been said, we all have our share of idiots.
Has it been confirmed that the perpetrators were Burnley fans, or were they just local teenage scrotes chucking a brick at fancy coach? Anyway, it's fortunate that Unai had analysed the route, calculated a significant possibility of a brick attack, and asked the driver to keep the front seats empty.
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Oof, don't let the kids see that.
Yes, but you have spelt oof incorrectly.
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Thought it was a smart turn and finish, maybe Olsen could have come out to punch , maybe Carlos could have headed it behind, maybe Torres could have been stronger and not allowed the boy to turn.
I think when they’re watching it back they’ll be more annoyed about the goalscorer finding space in the box and being allowed to turn, rather than the goalie not saving it.
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Looking at their forum there is mention of an incident when our fans bricked their coaches in the car park at Villa Park as they left. I do have a vague recollection of this. So there may be some element of ‘tit for tat’.
Whilst throwing bricks at a vehicle moving at speed clearly adds some risk, throwing bricks through windows where people (including children) are inside could always end very badly.
As has been said, we all have our share of idiots.
Has it been confirmed that the perpetrators were Burnley fans, or were they just local teenage scrotes chucking a brick at fancy coach? Anyway, it's fortunate that Unai had analysed the route, calculated a significant possibility of a brick attack, and asked the driver to keep the front seats empty.
He was probably slightly annoyed though as it took a couple of minutes out of his time analysing Liverpool's shape and structure and planning for this week's training.
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Thought it was a smart turn and finish, maybe Olsen could have come out to punch , maybe Carlos could have headed it behind, maybe Torres could have been stronger and not allowed the boy to turn.
I think when they’re watching it back they’ll be more annoyed about the goalscorer finding space in the box and being allowed to turn, rather than the goalie not saving it.
I'm sure Emery will be making them watch it over and over to iron out the errors
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This appears to be what happened
https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874
A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.
Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?
Yeah, his false equivocation falling flat.
You need to grow a pair mate. The lads of Big Talk didn't fanny around at Goose Green because of a few bricks. This is what we want, isn't it? Their lot having a go at our lot. It's just the fancunter as it was designed and meant to be. Don't clutch your pearls, get singing!
Are you OK?
Of course not. Another set of fans have wound us up. I just wonder what our next move is. I love fancunter as much as the next person, but we're going to need to double down on our own wind ups. Maybe we could poison their water supply? Just an idea at this stage. The important thing is that we wind them right up at some point.
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Couldn't watch the game, but delighted with the win.. 👌👍
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This appears to be what happened
https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874
A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.
Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?
Yeah, his false equivocation falling flat.
You need to grow a pair mate. The lads of Big Talk didn't fanny around at Goose Green because of a few bricks. This is what we want, isn't it? Their lot having a go at our lot. It's just the fancunter as it was designed and meant to be. Don't clutch your pearls, get singing!
Are you OK?
Of course not. Another set of fans have wound us up. I just wonder what our next move is. I love fancunter as much as the next person, but we're going to need to double down on our own wind ups. Maybe we could poison their water supply? Just an idea at this stage. The important thing is that we wind them right up at some point.
I suggest a targeted shitposting campaign to Alastiar Campbell and John Kettley.
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I suggest a targeted shitposting campaign to Alastiar Campbell and John Kettley.
Can you clarify what you mean by shitposting, I need to know whether to take a fishing net to the loo or not.
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I suggest a targeted shitposting campaign to Alastiar Campbell and John Kettley.
Can you clarify what you mean by shitposting, I need to know whether to take a fishing net to the loo or not.
Spamming their social media accounts with sarcastic replies, dredging up embarrassing in hindsight media appearances and quotes for Campbell and Iraq and shit, inaccurate forecasts for Kettley.
That sort of thing.
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I suggest a targeted shitposting campaign to Alastiar Campbell and John Kettley.
Can you clarify what you mean by shitposting, I need to know whether to take a fishing net to the loo or not.
Spamming their social media accounts with sarcastic replies, dredging up embarrassing in hindsight media appearances and quotes for Campbell and Iraq and shit, inaccurate forecasts for Kettley.
That sort of thing.
Lol! That’s going to wind those C-words right up! Let’s get winding. I might have a pop at their dads as well. Just to wind them up. There’s nothing like being a football fan if you’re into winding other football fans up. It’s what it’s all about.
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This appears to be what happened
https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874
A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.
Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?
Yeah, his false equivocation falling flat.
You need to grow a pair mate. The lads of Big Talk didn't fanny around at Goose Green because of a few bricks. This is what we want, isn't it? Their lot having a go at our lot. It's just the fancunter as it was designed and meant to be. Don't clutch your pearls, get singing!
Are you OK?
Of course not. Another set of fans have wound us up. I just wonder what our next move is. I love fancunter as much as the next person, but we're going to need to double down on our own wind ups. Maybe we could poison their water supply? Just an idea at this stage. The important thing is that we wind them right up at some point.
It's 5 o'clock somewhere I suppose.
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Just re-watched our second goal - that was just a thing of beauty. 19 passes, 9 players, about 960 degrees of spins by players
The transformation from just 12 months ago is unbelievable - most of those players were the same ones as then, and if you told me they were capable of that, I would have laughed in your face.
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Brickgate
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Just re-watched our second goal - that was just a thing of beauty. 19 passes, 9 players, about 960 degrees of spins by players
The transformation from just 12 months ago is unbelievable - most of those players were the same ones as then, and if you told me they were capable of that, I would have laughed in your face.
Agreed, we are comfortable to reset constantly to probe at the oppositions shape. Superb goal.
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One of the things that was said a lot by pundits and journos in the run up to Gerrard's sacking was that the squad he had was far too good to be playing the way they were. Emery brought in one player last season, and the change across the board was monumental.
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One of the things that was said a lot by pundits and journos in the run up to Gerrard's sacking was that the squad he had was far too good to be playing the way they were. Emery brought in one player last season, and the change across the board was monumental.
I honestly thought the only player Gerard improved was Cash who was one of the few who didn't get better under Emery. Well until now.
The rest are different players - Luis, Watkins, McGinn, Konsa are miles above the 'Slippy's do some magic approach' standard.
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I'd say Pau will be annoyed at himself for allowing the defender to roll him like that.
It happens, sometimes being touch tight to a striker allows them to do that to a defender. Benteke did something similar against West Brom for us back in the day.
Luckily it had no bearing on the outcome of the game.
Watching that 19 pass possession and goal is like football porn. Hard to believe we are watching Aston Villa.
It's great to be looking forward to every game rather than dreading it.
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There's still a nagging doubt that the football we are playing right now is in some way down to the level of the teams we have faced up so far this season. If we can produce even a few of those magical moves at Liverpool next week it will mean Unai's revolution is the real deal.
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There's still a nagging doubt that the football we are playing right now is in some way down to the level of the teams we have faced up so far this season. If we can produce even a few of those magical moves at Liverpool next week it will mean Unai's revolution is the real deal.
We might have to modify it v the top teams, but I feel we can be a lot more confident of putting away lesser teams these days.
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I don't think it is. It's possibly magnified our magnificence, but I wouldn't attribute it to quality of opposition. We can make teams look bad. We did it last season, you could probably unearth quote after quote from other teams' supporters about how they picked the wrong week to have an off-day against a bang-average Villa side, or words to that effect.
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I don't think it is. It's possibly magnified our magnificence, but I wouldn't attribute it to quality of opposition. We can make teams look bad. We did it last season, you could probably unearth quote after quote from other teams' supporters about how they picked the wrong week to have an off-day against a bang-average Villa side, or words to that effect.
Yeah I know what you mean. "It's only Villa ffs" or "that shouldn't be happening against the likes of Villa" are phrase that have always got to me. We are Aston Villa and it's about time everyone understood that phrase again. (tongue slightly in cheek)
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There's still a nagging doubt that the football we are playing right now is in some way down to the level of the teams we have faced up so far this season. If we can produce even a few of those magical moves at Liverpool next week it will mean Unai's revolution is the real deal.
I kind of feel the same. We're undoubtedly good but Liverpool will be the first real test since the Newcastle game. They've looked very wobbly again this season but they've still managed to get results so it's going to be much more of a challenge than Everton or Burnley. That's not to say I think we'll lose or anything. I'm actually really looking forward to this match, just to see us presumably have to step up another gear.
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There's still a nagging doubt that the football we are playing right now is in some way down to the level of the teams we have faced up so far this season. If we can produce even a few of those magical moves at Liverpool next week it will mean Unai's revolution is the real deal.
We might have to modify it v the top teams, but I feel we can be a lot more confident of putting away lesser teams these days.
In the last five seasons, and probably longer but CBA checking, if you won every game against the teams who finished in the bottom half you'd only have needed at most another three points to get into Europe. That sort of consistency has always let us down.
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There's still a nagging doubt that the football we are playing right now is in some way down to the level of the teams we have faced up so far this season. If we can produce even a few of those magical moves at Liverpool next week it will mean Unai's revolution is the real deal.
we did string some nice play together v Newcastle believe it or not . Just defended like keystone cops
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There's still a nagging doubt that the football we are playing right now is in some way down to the level of the teams we have faced up so far this season. If we can produce even a few of those magical moves at Liverpool next week it will mean Unai's revolution is the real deal.
One of thing is if top teams look to stop us or just rely on their own superiority to overcome us? If they ignore over capability , like Spurs, Chelsea and Newcastle did last season they will pay for it however if they do the former they would make it difficult for us to win as they have far better players to do that than say bottom half teams.
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This appears to be what happened
https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874
A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.
Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?
Why do we want to 'wind up' fans of other clubs?
I'd just say here that I agree with SE on this.
For anyone who thinks songs can't be at all emotive, maybe try singing the national anthem walking down the Falls Road and see how that pans out for you.
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Emery adapts the system depending on the opposition. I doubt we will be playing the same system at Liverpool but what am increasingly confident about is that irrespective of the level of the opposition no team will be expecting an easy game against the Villa this season.
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This appears to be what happened
https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874
A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.
Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?
Why do we want to 'wind up' fans of other clubs?
I'd just say here that I agree with SE on this.
For anyone who thinks songs can't be at all emotive, maybe try singing the national anthem walking down the Falls Road and see how that pans out for you.
ok but Bin dippers fans boo the national anthem which is equally offensive to those who don't like that
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This appears to be what happened
https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874
A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.
Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?
Why do we want to 'wind up' fans of other clubs?
I'd just say here that I agree with SE on this.
For anyone who thinks songs can't be at all emotive, maybe try singing the national anthem walking down the Falls Road and see how that pans out for you.
ok but Bin dippers fans boo the national anthem which is equally offensive to those who don't like that
You do know you're allowed to just ignore people, right?
The word filter's not been put in place yet, then.
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It is a right dirge to be fair. ;-)
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This appears to be what happened
https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874
A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.
Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?
Why do we want to 'wind up' fans of other clubs?
I'd just say here that I agree with SE on this.
For anyone who thinks songs can't be at all emotive, maybe try singing the national anthem walking down the Falls Road and see how that pans out for you.
ok but Bin dippers fans boo the national anthem which is equally offensive to those who don't like that
You do know you're allowed to just ignore people, right?
The word filter's not been put in place yet, then.
but then you could apply that equally to bin dipper fans if our fans sing GSTK. Just ignore it don't get riled by it.
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There's still a nagging doubt that the football we are playing right now is in some way down to the level of the teams we have faced up so far this season. If we can produce even a few of those magical moves at Liverpool next week it will mean Unai's revolution is the real deal.
We might have to modify it v the top teams, but I feel we can be a lot more confident of putting away lesser teams these days.
In the last five seasons, and probably longer but CBA checking, if you won every game against the teams who finished in the bottom half you'd only have needed at most another three points to get into Europe. That sort of consistency has always let us down.
Ah, someone else that's sussed spurs' modus operandi.
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This appears to be what happened
https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874
A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.
Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?
Why do we want to 'wind up' fans of other clubs?
I'd just say here that I agree with SE on this.
For anyone who thinks songs can't be at all emotive, maybe try singing the national anthem walking down the Falls Road and see how that pans out for you.
ok but Bin dippers fans boo the national anthem which is equally offensive to those who don't like that
You do know you're allowed to just ignore people, right?
The word filter's not been put in place yet, then.
but then you could apply that equally to bin dipper fans if our fans sing GSTK. Just ignore it don't get riled by it.
Been trying to ignore this, but using bin dippers just make you sound like that a utter….
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The BBC has an agenda mon ami, Burnley folk in the past have voted for the BNP, with very good reason at the time imo, they voted for Brexit, also with good reason, it was noted that many Burnley fans booed the players taking the knee before the City game, the BBC does not approve of any dissent towards this BLM inspired political gesture, so communities like Burnley will be denigrated at every opportunity by the BBC. And as you say, who knows if the idiots were even Burnley fans, it was miles away from the ground, but the football club will not be given the benefit of the doubt by the BBC or the media.
And daft herbets agreeing with this bilge on their forum. ::)
How do you go from pondlife throwing bricks at a team coach to BLM/deep state conspiracies.
It's almost impressive.
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This appears to be what happened
https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874
A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.
Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?
Why do we want to 'wind up' fans of other clubs?
I'd just say here that I agree with SE on this.
For anyone who thinks songs can't be at all emotive, maybe try singing the national anthem walking down the Falls Road and see how that pans out for you.
Why would you equivocate sectarianism with the singing pre-game? It was an Eng/Sco thing. The *insert rival* gets battered everywhere they go, was sung around it. I don't think anybody was considering Hibs as some Poundland Celtic and Villa fans cos playing as some grotesque Rangers gimps. I get you're debating in good faith, but these are still false equivocations.
As for why wind somebody up.
Why sing songs at all at football? Do you sing anywhere else in public? Do you shout aloud elsewhere in public? Why jump up and down at Turf Moor when you score? Why find 7 minutes at Wembley as excruciating as opening up your exam results or something life changing/affirming? Why take time off work for a game? Why devote hundreds and thousands of hours to talking about football on a website? Why do you cheer on a goalkeeper playing for a different country in a different continent, just because he plays for your club? Why contort your morality to defend Grealish and his antics, just because he played for you and was your best player, all the while he's in a single flipflop? Why do you loathe your neighbours? Why do you find somebody talking ignorantly of your club deeply irritating? Why do you believe in equality but have no time for Brummie Reds?
I mean there are academic answers, but you belong to something bigger than yourself and humans like that. You're also saturated in Christianity in the West and football's 19th century origins are muscular Christianity given an outlet; so culturally in places like the UK and Argentina, you're socially predisposed for this stuff. My old man has never said be a city fan and I've never told him bollocks, he's a ******. Maybe it's just a bit fun and a bit silly and a bit odd and that's exactly what Britain is.
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My old man has never said be a city fan and I've never told him bollocks, he's a ******. Maybe it's just a bit fun and a bit silly and a bit odd and that's exactly what Britain is.
My old man, who is a Blues fan, really did say be a city fan. So I can sing that with real truth.
However, I was about five at the time, so did not reply my telling him bollocks, you're a ******. I probably just laughed in his face.
I reckon that hurt more.
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My old man has never said be a city fan and I've never told him bollocks, he's a ******. Maybe it's just a bit fun and a bit silly and a bit odd and that's exactly what Britain is.
My old man, who is a Blues fan, really did say be a city fan. So I can sing that with real truth.
However, I was about five at the time, so did not reply my telling him bollocks, you're a ******. I probably just laughed in his face.
I reckon that hurt more.
Even at 5 you knew the difference between good and evil, so really your dad should have been proud.
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This appears to be what happened
https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874
A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.
Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?
Why do we want to 'wind up' fans of other clubs?
I'd just say here that I agree with SE on this.
For anyone who thinks songs can't be at all emotive, maybe try singing the national anthem walking down the Falls Road and see how that pans out for you.
Why would you equivocate sectarianism with the singing pre-game? It was an Eng/Sco thing. The *insert rival* gets battered everywhere they go, was sung around it. I don't think anybody was considering Hibs as some Poundland Celtic and Villa fans cos playing as some grotesque Rangers gimps. I get you're debating in good faith, but these are still false equivocations.
As for why wind somebody up.
Why sing songs at all at football? Do you sing anywhere else in public? Do you shout aloud elsewhere in public? Why jump up and down at Turf Moor when you score? Why find 7 minutes at Wembley as excruciating as opening up your exam results or something life changing/affirming? Why take time off work for a game? Why devote hundreds and thousands of hours to talking about football on a website? Why do you cheer on a goalkeeper playing for a different country in a different continent, just because he plays for your club? Why contort your morality to defend Grealish and his antics, just because he played for you and was your best player, all the while he's in a single flipflop? Why do you loathe your neighbours? Why do you find somebody talking ignorantly of your club deeply irritating? Why do you believe in equality but have no time for Brummie Reds?
I mean there are academic answers, but you belong to something bigger than yourself and humans like that. You're also saturated in Christianity in the West and football's 19th century origins are muscular Christianity given an outlet; so culturally in places like the UK and Argentina, you're socially predisposed for this stuff. My old man has never said be a city fan and I've never told him bollocks, he's a ******. Maybe it's just a bit fun and a bit silly and a bit odd and that's exactly what Britain is.
Good points. To be honest I was in a foul mood yesterday, so maybe worth starting again.
I'd forgotten about the Hibs GSTQ. Yeah, I agree, that was a bit of nothing really. The point I was trying to make (badly) was that something that's pretty innocuous in one context is likely to incite violence in another. I'd like to think that people weren't so soft that they couldn't tell the difference, but you only have to look at some of England's traveling support to realise that there isn't a universal understanding of where to draw the line...
It's this kind of moronic tit-for-tat nature that starts off with singing the national anthem in games where that's not appropriate, and ends up demonizing & dehumanising other football supporters & clubs (just on the last few pages of this thread there's been "Brexit", "Bin dippers", ..), and leads to shit like bricking eachother's buses.
I don't know where the line is, and in honesty I didn't really want to get in to the discussions in the first place, just show a bit of support for one side without really trying involved. As you'd said, you get down to some kind of academic discussion about collectives of people and whatnot, and I tend to turn off at that point :)
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Don’t think I’ve ever sang the national anthem in my life. Not as an adult anyway.
I’ve also never thrown a brick at a bus.
I was about 12 years old I on a bus once coming through Weoely Castle and some little chavs through a BMX through the window.
I got home late. Got grounded.
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I don't think the dehumanising of fans by fans is what leads assorted hateful morons to chuck bricks at the *players'* buses.
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I don't think the dehumanising of fans by fans is what leads assorted hateful morons to chuck bricks at the *players'* buses.
You have a higher opinion on these assorted hateful morons than I do, then. I'm not sure such folk would make a distinction between a club's players & supporters. To be honest, thinking back to a 16 year old me, I don't think I would've made a distinction either. (Not that I've ever been likely to throw bricks at anything)
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What is it about morons today that they think filming their law breaking and sticking it on publicly available social media is a good idea? these people walk amongst us.
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What is it about morons today that they think filming their law breaking and sticking it on publicly available social media is a good idea? these people walk amongst us.
They’re monumentally stupid enough to throw bricks at a bus, they’re stupid enough to boast about it on social media, I reckon.
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Brexit 1-3 Villa
Birmingham voted Leave, so technically it’s Brexit 1 - Brexit 3.
Technically but while 50.4% voted leave in Birmingham it was 66.6% in Burnley.
28,854 votes for leave in Burnley while 227,351 people voted leave in Birmingham, if we’re quoting numbers!
I don’t like that Birmingham voted to leave but the city did and we shouldn’t preach to others when we’ve done the same!
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That's because there are more people in Birmingham. Birmingham narrowly voted leave, Burnley decisively did.
The only positive thing about Brexit in Burnley is that it distracted them from loving the BNP so much.
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Yeah, and they only flew that “White Lives Matter” banner over Turf Moor once.
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Yeah, and they only flew that “White Lives Matter” banner over Turf Moor once.
Jesus, I'd forgotten about that. What sort of c**t do you have to be to think that's a good idea?
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My old man has never said be a city fan and I've never told him bollocks, he's a ******. Maybe it's just a bit fun and a bit silly and a bit odd and that's exactly what Britain is.
My old man, who is a Blues fan, really did say be a city fan. So I can sing that with real truth.
However, I was about five at the time, so did not reply my telling him bollocks, you're a ******. I probably just laughed in his face.
I reckon that hurt more.
That is exactly the same as my situation.
My pops was Small Heath & two of my brothers are Small Heath.
But they were all born on the Small Heath side of the city.
I was born in Villa territory cos they moved before I was conceived.
A massive sliding doors moment...
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That is a touch of luck, imagine if they hadn't moved and you too were a City fan you'd probably be on Small Heath Alliance signing in under the name Rolf Harris.
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That is a touch of luck, imagine if they hadn't moved and you too were a City fan you'd probably be on Small Heath Alliance signing in under the name Rolf Harris.
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Christ, that would have been unfortunate!
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Yeah, and they only flew that “White Lives Matter” banner over Turf Moor once.
Jesus, I'd forgotten about that. What sort of c**t do you have to be to think that's a good idea?
Clearly not a great idea and likely has racist motives as you're implying.
But I wouldn't be so quick to wholly condemn those who feel they have been badly let down by all parties including Corbyn's version of the Labour Party in a post industrial/post Thatcher Britain.
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Wouldn’t condemn them for what though?
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That's because there are more people in Birmingham. Birmingham narrowly voted leave, Burnley decisively did.
The only positive thing about Brexit in Burnley is that it distracted them from loving the BNP so much.
However, whilst the overall figure varies a lot, there were still quite a few wards in Birmingham where over 2/3 of the electorate voted to leave and those numbers were higher than Burnley's overall figure. So I guess it all depends on which way you analyse.
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Yeah, and they only flew that “White Lives Matter” banner over Turf Moor once.
Jesus, I'd forgotten about that. What sort of c**t do you have to be to think that's a good idea?
Clearly not a great idea and likely has racist motives as you're implying.
But I wouldn't be so quick to wholly condemn those who feel they have been badly let down by all parties including Corbyn's version of the Labour Party in a post industrial/post Thatcher Britain.
I don't have many problems with condemning people who spent 10 years being shat on by tory austerity and decided that it was down to them "forrins" and the solution was to back the tories more.
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Yeah, and they only flew that “White Lives Matter” banner over Turf Moor once.
Jesus, I'd forgotten about that. What sort of c**t do you have to be to think that's a good idea?
Clearly not a great idea and likely has racist motives as you're implying.
But I wouldn't be so quick to wholly condemn those who feel they have been badly let down by all parties including Corbyn's version of the Labour Party in a post industrial/post Thatcher Britain.
I don't have many problems with condemning people who spent 10 years being shat on by tory austerity and decided that it was down to them "forrins" and the solution was to back the tories more.
What should they do now then?
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Yeah, and they only flew that “White Lives Matter” banner over Turf Moor once.
Jesus, I'd forgotten about that. What sort of c**t do you have to be to think that's a good idea?
Clearly not a great idea and likely has racist motives as you're implying.
But I wouldn't be so quick to wholly condemn those who feel they have been badly let down by all parties including Corbyn's version of the Labour Party in a post industrial/post Thatcher Britain.
I don't have many problems with condemning people who spent 10 years being shat on by tory austerity and decided that it was down to them "forrins" and the solution was to back the tories more.
What should they do now then?
Not throw bricks as buses, vote for the BNP or be racist, that's a good start.
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Clearly not a great idea and likely has racist motives as you're implying.
But I wouldn't be so quick to wholly condemn those who feel they have been badly let down by all parties including Corbyn's version of the Labour Party in a post industrial/post Thatcher Britain.
You are right but the it's not the way to make a point by rubbishing those who are probably even less fortunate than you.
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Yeah, and they only flew that “White Lives Matter” banner over Turf Moor once.
Jesus, I'd forgotten about that. What sort of c**t do you have to be to think that's a good idea?
Clearly not a great idea and likely has racist motives as you're implying.
But I wouldn't be so quick to wholly condemn those who feel they have been badly let down by all parties including Corbyn's version of the Labour Party in a post industrial/post Thatcher Britain.
I don't have many problems with condemning people who spent 10 years being shat on by tory austerity and decided that it was down to them "forrins" and the solution was to back the tories more.
What should they do now then?
Not throw bricks as buses, vote for the BNP or be racist, that's a good start.
Absolutely agree with what they shouldn't do - that's the easy part.
But what should they do (in a positive way) now? There's an election coming up - who's going to help their situation? I don't see a fag packet in difference between the policies of the two main parties (and they're both considered more left of centre compared to the last labour government) so can understand why there might be a lot of frustration.
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They're considered left of centre by who, exactly?
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This Tory government is left of the last Labour government? Are you holding 'the political spectrum' upside down mate?
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Don't claim to be a great political analyst, but the general reporting is one of high taxes and more public spending that previous governments.
There is also a bit of a push on redistribution through the tax system. Corporation tax is still higher than previous governments (I think).
So - no - I don't think the point I was making was so far off.
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Don't claim to be a great political analyst, but the general reporting is one of high taxes and more public spending that previous governments.
There is also a bit of a push on redistribution through the tax system. Corporation tax is still higher than previous governments (I think).
So - no - I don't think the point I was making was so far off.
There is no extra redistribution through the tax system. Low earners have been hammered by the freeze in the tax-free allowance. Labour has no plans to reverse this.
Taxes are high for a number of reasons. None of them are left-wing. Again, Labour has no plans to reverse this.
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Iraq War anybody?
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Iraq War anybody?
I'd be up for another go. It's got to go right this time - I mean, how could it go wrong again? What are the odds?
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If the Iraq War comments are a dig at me then you couldn't be further from the truth in understanding my politics.
Like most of you I have the luxury of not being particularly affected by whichever government is in power, so I can decide how to live my life based on principles of fairness and the general good.
However in the course of my working life I come across many decent hard working people who really struggle. They are the Dudley and Kidderminster equivalent of the Burnley folk that have been condemned. They voted Brexit, they voted tory, they resent the impact immigration is having on their communities.
They might be very misguided and foolish in their political choices but it doesn't hurt to have a little empathy for their situation.
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Not having a go at you at all, quite the opposite in fact.
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apologies - probably being a bit over sensitive!
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Police released footage of the brick being thrown and it does look like its the incident that was linked earlier where someone was below the road filming it. Which makes you wonder why they're appealing for help identifying them when they uploaded it themselves?
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-lancashire-66664147