Burnley vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[algy]

This appears to be what happened

https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874

A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.

Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?

Why do we want to 'wind up' fans of other clubs?

I'd just say here that I agree with SE on this.

For anyone who thinks songs can't be at all emotive, maybe try singing the national anthem walking down the Falls Road and see how that pans out for you.

[passport1]

Emery adapts the system depending on the opposition. I doubt we will be playing the same system at Liverpool but what am increasingly confident about is that irrespective of the level of the opposition no team will be expecting an easy game against the Villa this season.

[VillaTim]

This appears to be what happened

https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874

A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.

Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?

Why do we want to 'wind up' fans of other clubs?

I'd just say here that I agree with SE on this.

For anyone who thinks songs can't be at all emotive, maybe try singing the national anthem walking down the Falls Road and see how that pans out for you.

ok but Bin dippers fans boo the national anthem which is equally offensive to those who don't like that

[algy]

This appears to be what happened

https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874

A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.

Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?

Why do we want to 'wind up' fans of other clubs?

I'd just say here that I agree with SE on this.

For anyone who thinks songs can't be at all emotive, maybe try singing the national anthem walking down the Falls Road and see how that pans out for you.

ok but Bin dippers fans boo the national anthem which is equally offensive to those who don't like that

You do know you're allowed to just ignore people, right?

The word filter's not been put in place yet, then.

[Bad English]

It is a right dirge to be fair. ;-)

[VillaTim]

This appears to be what happened

https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874

A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.

Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?

Why do we want to 'wind up' fans of other clubs?

I'd just say here that I agree with SE on this.

For anyone who thinks songs can't be at all emotive, maybe try singing the national anthem walking down the Falls Road and see how that pans out for you.

ok but Bin dippers fans boo the national anthem which is equally offensive to those who don't like that

You do know you're allowed to just ignore people, right?

The word filter's not been put in place yet, then.

but then you could apply that equally to bin dipper fans if our fans sing GSTK. Just ignore it don't get riled by it.

[Lastfootstamper]

There's still a nagging doubt that the football we are playing right now is in some way down to the level of the teams we have faced up so far this season. If we can produce even a few of those magical moves at Liverpool next week it will mean Unai's revolution is the real deal.

We might have to modify it v the top teams, but I feel we can be a lot more confident of putting away lesser teams these days.

In the last five seasons, and probably longer but CBA checking, if you won every game against the teams who finished in the bottom half you'd only have needed at most another three points to get into Europe. That sort of consistency has always let us down.

Ah, someone else that's sussed spurs' modus operandi.

[RamboandBruno]

This appears to be what happened

https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874

A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.

Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?

Why do we want to 'wind up' fans of other clubs?

I'd just say here that I agree with SE on this.

For anyone who thinks songs can't be at all emotive, maybe try singing the national anthem walking down the Falls Road and see how that pans out for you.

ok but Bin dippers fans boo the national anthem which is equally offensive to those who don't like that

You do know you're allowed to just ignore people, right?

The word filter's not been put in place yet, then.

but then you could apply that equally to bin dipper fans if our fans sing GSTK. Just ignore it don't get riled by it.

Been trying to ignore this, but using bin dippers just make you sound like that a utter….

[KevinGage]

The BBC has an agenda mon ami, Burnley folk in the past have voted for the BNP, with very good reason at the time imo, they voted for Brexit, also with good reason, it was noted that many Burnley fans booed the players taking the knee before the City game, the BBC does not approve of any dissent towards this BLM inspired political gesture, so communities like Burnley will be denigrated at every opportunity by the BBC. And as you say, who knows if the idiots were even Burnley fans, it was miles away from the ground, but the football club will not be given the benefit of the doubt by the BBC or the media.

And daft herbets agreeing with this bilge on their forum. 

How do you go from pondlife throwing bricks at a team coach to BLM/deep state conspiracies.

It's almost impressive.

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This appears to be what happened

https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874

A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.

Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?

Why do we want to 'wind up' fans of other clubs?

I'd just say here that I agree with SE on this.

For anyone who thinks songs can't be at all emotive, maybe try singing the national anthem walking down the Falls Road and see how that pans out for you.

Why would you equivocate sectarianism with the singing pre-game? It was an Eng/Sco thing. The *insert rival* gets battered everywhere they go, was sung around it. I don't think anybody was considering Hibs as some Poundland Celtic and Villa fans cos playing as some grotesque Rangers gimps. I get you're debating in good faith, but these are still false equivocations.

As for why wind somebody up.

Why sing songs at all at football? Do you sing anywhere else in public? Do you shout aloud elsewhere in public? Why jump up and down at Turf Moor when you score? Why find 7 minutes at Wembley as excruciating as opening up your exam results or something life changing/affirming? Why take time off work for a game? Why devote hundreds and thousands of hours to talking about football on a website? Why do you cheer on a goalkeeper playing for a different country in a different continent, just because he plays for your club? Why contort your morality to defend Grealish and his antics, just because he played for you and was your best player, all the while he's in a single flipflop? Why do you loathe your neighbours? Why do you find somebody talking ignorantly of your club deeply irritating? Why do you believe in equality but have no time for Brummie Reds?

I mean there are academic answers, but you belong to something bigger than yourself and humans like that. You're also saturated in Christianity in the West and football's 19th century origins are muscular Christianity given an outlet; so culturally in places like the UK and Argentina, you're socially predisposed for this stuff. My old man has never said be a city fan and I've never told him bollocks, he's a ******. Maybe it's just a bit fun and a bit silly and a bit odd and that's exactly what Britain is.

[pauliewalnuts]

My old man has never said be a city fan and I've never told him bollocks, he's a ******. Maybe it's just a bit fun and a bit silly and a bit odd and that's exactly what Britain is.

My old man, who is a Blues fan, really did say be a city fan. So I can sing that with real truth.

However, I was about five at the time, so did not reply my telling him bollocks, you're a ******. I probably just laughed in his face.

I reckon that hurt more.

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My old man has never said be a city fan and I've never told him bollocks, he's a ******. Maybe it's just a bit fun and a bit silly and a bit odd and that's exactly what Britain is.

My old man, who is a Blues fan, really did say be a city fan. So I can sing that with real truth.

However, I was about five at the time, so did not reply my telling him bollocks, you're a ******. I probably just laughed in his face.

I reckon that hurt more.

Even at 5 you knew the difference between good and evil, so really your dad should have been proud.

[algy]

This appears to be what happened

https://twitter.com/LeRatio16/status/1695895730261491874

A lot of pearl-clutching going on here. It's just fancunter. We sing the national anthem at them, they throw bricks at our players and staff. That's what fancunter is. We accuse Liverpool fans of being 'always the victim', Burnley fans hire a plane to deliver racist messages. It's all just fancuntery, you woke snowflake weirdos.

Think there is a bit of a difference between singing the national anthem at a match to wind Scots and scousers up, and throwing bricks at the windows of a team coach as it motors down a main road isn't there?

Why do we want to 'wind up' fans of other clubs?

I'd just say here that I agree with SE on this.

For anyone who thinks songs can't be at all emotive, maybe try singing the national anthem walking down the Falls Road and see how that pans out for you.

Why would you equivocate sectarianism with the singing pre-game? It was an Eng/Sco thing. The *insert rival* gets battered everywhere they go, was sung around it. I don't think anybody was considering Hibs as some Poundland Celtic and Villa fans cos playing as some grotesque Rangers gimps. I get you're debating in good faith, but these are still false equivocations.

As for why wind somebody up.

Why sing songs at all at football? Do you sing anywhere else in public? Do you shout aloud elsewhere in public? Why jump up and down at Turf Moor when you score? Why find 7 minutes at Wembley as excruciating as opening up your exam results or something life changing/affirming? Why take time off work for a game? Why devote hundreds and thousands of hours to talking about football on a website? Why do you cheer on a goalkeeper playing for a different country in a different continent, just because he plays for your club? Why contort your morality to defend Grealish and his antics, just because he played for you and was your best player, all the while he's in a single flipflop? Why do you loathe your neighbours? Why do you find somebody talking ignorantly of your club deeply irritating? Why do you believe in equality but have no time for Brummie Reds?

I mean there are academic answers, but you belong to something bigger than yourself and humans like that. You're also saturated in Christianity in the West and football's 19th century origins are muscular Christianity given an outlet; so culturally in places like the UK and Argentina, you're socially predisposed for this stuff. My old man has never said be a city fan and I've never told him bollocks, he's a ******. Maybe it's just a bit fun and a bit silly and a bit odd and that's exactly what Britain is.

Good points. To be honest I was in a foul mood yesterday, so maybe worth starting again.

I'd forgotten about the Hibs GSTQ. Yeah, I agree, that was a bit of nothing really. The point I was trying to make (badly) was that something that's pretty innocuous in one context is likely to incite violence in another. I'd like to think that people weren't so soft that they couldn't tell the difference, but you only have to look at some of England's traveling support to realise that there isn't a universal understanding of where to draw the line...

It's this kind of moronic tit-for-tat nature that starts off with singing the national anthem in games where that's not appropriate, and ends up demonizing & dehumanising other football supporters & clubs (just on the last few pages of this thread there's been "Brexit", "Bin dippers", ..), and leads to shit like bricking eachother's buses.

I don't know where the line is, and in honesty I didn't really want to get in to the discussions in the first place, just show a bit of support for one side without really trying involved. As you'd said, you get down to some kind of academic discussion about collectives of people and whatnot, and I tend to turn off at that point

[PaulTheVillan]

Don’t think I’ve ever sang the national anthem in my life. Not as an adult anyway.

I’ve also never thrown a brick at a bus.

I was about 12 years old I on a bus once coming through Weoely Castle and some little chavs through a BMX through the window.

I got home late. Got grounded.

[Monty]

I don't think the dehumanising of fans by fans is what leads assorted hateful morons to chuck bricks at the *players'* buses.