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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on October 02, 2018, 09:33:14 PM
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Enough is enough.
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Out, now.
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Fuck me. Glenn fucking Whelan.
That ****** has to go.
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Goodbye Mr chips
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Hoped Whelan was going to smash that.
Bruce out
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Well...
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Fuck me. Glenn fucking Whelan.
That c*** has to go.
Him, Bruce or both?
I'll go with both.
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A thriller down the Villa. Good effort by all and fair play to Bruce, a point at home to Preston is no mean feat.
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To be fair the sending off was harsh and should be overturned, but enough is enough. Too many bizarre decisions. On today's evidence Bolasie should be starting and hopefully under a new manager
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Please please let this be the end.
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Whelan has scored twice in his last 200 odd league games, why the fuck was he even taking it?
And Bruce, just go. No one wants you here.
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Whelan,vgod he did want the payoff. Sue the fat spud.
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Just fuck off. Second half was a fucking disgrace, even with 10 men. The last 5 showed what could have happened at we even tried. It’s beyond fucking unacceptable.
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You couldn't make it up. And with Bingo Brucey in charge you don't have to. Ee's gorra goo Tone.
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I have no words.
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It’s actually not even a big decision anymore. We are burning games now. I just hope the owners and CEO have some brains. Time for a new challenge Steve.
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Glenn fucking Whelan, the absolute epitome of bang average at best footballer milking a living from football sums up Bruceball perfectly, fuck off now.
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Fuck me. Glenn fucking Whelan.
That c*** has to go.
Him, Bruce or both?
I'll go with both.
Bruce. And he can take Whelan if he likes. How the fuck do we end up with him taking a penalty with Grealish, McGinn and Bolasie on the pitch? Oh because we've no fucking strikers.
Christ I'm livid after watching that shambles.
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What a fucking shambles.
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Collapsed at home against the shittest team in the league who hadn't got a point away all season. That has to be it for spud head.
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Why didn’t Barry take the penalty?
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To be fair the sending off was harsh and should be overturned, but enough is enough. Too many bizarre decisions. On today's evidence Bolasie should be starting and hopefully under a new manager
It was, but that was as bad a half, with the exception of injury time, that I’ve seen 10 men play.
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End of the game commentators said ' final whistle see's Steve Bruce disappears down the tunnel, I do hope he means his own personal tunnel, never to be seen again at Villa Park.
He has to go, really and truthfully we lost that, any team even a smidgeon better than Preston and basically the rest are, we would have been hammered.
It's the end of the road for Bruce, we can't carry on spewing out displays like this awful stuff.
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Glenn fucking Whelan to take a match winning penalty, are you fucking winding me up?
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Whelan has scored twice in his last 200 odd league games, why the fuck was he even taking it?
And Bruce, just go. No one wants you here.
Why didn’t Barry take the penalty to be changed to Why the fuck did Whelan take the penalty?
As shit as gets for .. now. More shit in the post.
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Someone call a doctor, we seem to have caught blues.
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Don't be livid, if he's out it's a marvelous outcome.
Rather lose points to Preston.
Sack him and let's kick on.
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The only thing I want to hear is that he's gone. Tonight won't be soon enough.
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Chris I'm livid after watching that shambles.
Here for you Drummond. Hugs.
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Glenn fucking Whelan. Of all crap choices to take a kick to win the game. Glenn Fucking Whelan.
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Chris I'm livid after watching that shambles.
Here for you Drummond. Hugs.
I hope Drummond has a cat to knock
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Lost for words
Utter shite
Whelan pen ??
Bottom team could have had 6 or 7 easy and another late goal , how many is that now..
we aint got a decent goalie , we had 4 RBs at the back and we were truly awful second half .
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Chris I'm livid after watching that shambles.
Here for you Drummond. Hugs.
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Love you.
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This is no longer about Steve Bruce...it is all about the owners and the CEO.
Just do it.
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It was like watching kids in a school playground.
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Yet again Jekyll and Hyde / game of 2 halves / insert cliched bollocks of choice to describe our inability to dominate obviously weaker opponents for the majority of the game.
I'll be interested to hear his take on the impact of the red card given what he said at Ipswich about it making the game more difficult whilst we just folded like a paper bag.
Actually I'll probably avoid the interviews, they'll only annoy me.
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F-ck off Bruce and your pile of sh-t coaches!
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That could have been his Fergie/Mark Robbins moment. Now we will never know what greatness Bruce could have bestowed on us. Sacked in the morning.
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An ablosute coward of the highest order.
Steve Bruce, absolutely embarrassing.
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I just don't understand Whelan taking the pen did no one else have the bottle?
Promising centre half partnership Axel and Bree as long as Bunn and Hutton fuck off
Bruce out ! Disgrace re the goalie left back and centre half situation if nothing else
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Only logical reason why he took it is the others all did a Paul Ince.
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Someone, somehow, needs to explain to me why, when Bolasie, Grealish, McGinn, and Bjarnasson are on pitch we select Glenn fucking Whelan to take a 94th minute penalty
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Glenn fucking Whelan to take a match winning penalty, are you fucking winding me up?
I couldn't watch. Literally anyone else who takes it scores, even the goalkeeper!
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What a fucking shambles.
Indeed.
If Bruce survives after this - I hope supporters vote with their feet & show the owners that they've had it with the twat. It just HAS to be the end.
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Just reading that a fan threw at cabbage at SB.
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I have never seen us fuck up a player as fast as we have fucked up John McGinn. He was fucking dire.
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Best attackers in the league and we have whelan stepping up to take a penalty. It’s like some Brewsters millions thing.
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1 point is better than 3 if it means Bruce gets the sack
Allowing that old overpaid donkey to take the penalty rather than Bolasie or someone is shocking. Hopefully that managerial failing leads to the demise of Bruce. The guy is a dinosaur.
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Just reading that a fan threw at cabbage at SB.
It's ok, it was actually Hutton that threw it so it missed by a mile.
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The stark thing for any new manager coming in now is that watching that second half we have nobody in defence aside from Chester who can head a football. That is obviously why Bruce has been paying Jedinak in there every week. Jeez. What a mess. Every cross looked like a goal and how they didn't score 4 or 5 is a mystery.
Well organise teams don't look like that with 10 men. In fact I can't remember the last tie I saw a team so badly affected by having a player sent off as that.
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What was the crowd's reaction? Audible calls for Bruce to go? Rioting?
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This is no longer about Steve Bruce...it is all about the owners and the CEO.
Just do it.
True. It’s not spud heads fault anymore. It’s purely the fault of the fuck wit owners who should have potted him 3 games ago at least.
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Absolutely shocking second half after dominating the first half we stopped me let them take over,what a ducking disgrace he has to go tonight. And Glenn fucking weelan taking the penalty?? What a joke
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BRUCE OUT BRUCE OUT BRUCE OUT BRUCE OUT BRUCE OUT BRUCE OUT BRUCE OUT BRUCE OUT BRUCE OUT BRUCE OUT BRUCE OUT BRUCE OUT BRUCE OUT BRUCE OUT BRUCE OUT BRUCE OUT BRUCE OUT BRUCE OUT FOPH
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If he's still in charge at the Den I shall hurl myself from the upper tier in a wing suit and take out the useless fuck.
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I have never seen us fuck up a player as fast as we have fucked up John McGinn. He was fucking dire.
In fairness he’s in a shell of a side with no shape. Bruce has also made Jack pretty ineffective.
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It should be ''left by mutual consent'' before the night is over. Have these owners got any nous or bottle? That 45 mins was ridiculous, topped off by Glenn Whelan stepping up to take a penalty because A. We have no Strikers on the pitch , B. Non of the other fuckers presumably had the bottle to take a shot from 12 yards. The bloke struggles to make 10 yard passes.
I can't believe what I've seen, if they watch that and come up with any other opinion then that was shite of the highest order, it's become a circus, sorry Steve pack your bags and take your shitehawk excuses for coaches with you then they're fucking clowns themselves and we won't be going anywhere soon.
It's going to be a long time down in this shit division watching shit football and gradually shitter players if no one has got the balls and brains to boot out this gobshite, excuse making lazy petrified manager.
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Only us could get an injury time equaliser, then make the final score feel like a loss. If that missed penalty sees the end of Bruce then he gets what he deserves for having players like Whelan.
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What was the crowd's reaction? Audible calls for Bruce to go? Rioting?
Live scenes from B6
(https://i.imgur.com/R5p9G94.gif?noredirect)
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No way he survives that, surely?
Absolute disgrace of a performance.
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Just reading that a fan threw at cabbage at SB.
It's gone straight into Saturday's starting XI.
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Just reading that a fan threw at cabbage at SB.
Well that's the the veg and spuds, any meat or are we going vegetarian ?
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I have never seen us fuck up a player as fast as we have fucked up John McGinn. He was fucking dire.
In fairness he’s in a shell of a side with no shape. Bruce has also made Jack pretty ineffective.
I was thinking the exact same thing watching those two tonight. Completely wasted at the moment.
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I have never seen us fuck up a player as fast as we have fucked up John McGinn. He was fucking dire.
I thought he was blowing out of his arse for most of the game. He should've been the first to get the hook.
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Will have to be the end for Bruce, 2-0 up at home at half time against the bottom side in the division, simply have to win.
Very similar start to second half that there was v Rotherham, except Preston had the quality in Robinson to take advantage.
Chester red, lets test our players character why dont we? to a man they nearly crumbled into dust, Hourihane, Grealish, McGinn, BB, Kodjia all hid without trace, gutless disgrace each and every one.
The crazy scenes at the end shouldnt tell us much only that Bolasie needs to start from now on.
On a human level, noone could take joy from those scenes up to the 90min.
But Bruce is responsible for the stupidity in the transfer market over the summer, where:
our best keeper option is now Mark fucking Bunn,
we only have one senior centre half at the club
our replacement centre back tonight looks as if he cant head the ball
our right back and left back cant kick the ball with their left foot
a wholly unbalanced midfield and forward line
zero leadership throughout the team, Terry and Snodgrass badly missed
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Someone, somehow, needs to explain to me why, when Bolasie, Grealish, McGinn, and Bjarnasson are on pitch we select Glenn fucking Whelan to take a 94th minute penalty
Houriane aint got a bad shot
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We got a draw after being down to 10 men that has to be a positive?
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Has he gone yet????
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If he's still in charge at the Den I shall hurl myself from the upper tier in a wing suit and take out the useless fuck.
Get your phone's ready folks. This is going to be a you tube all time winner.
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Just reading that a fan threw at cabbage at SB.
It's gone straight into Saturday's starting XI.
Applauds.
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Fickle it. DOL has fickled us right up, and given ficklers like this a fickling great excuse for doing a shit job. Ficklers the lot of em. UTV
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Just when you thought it couldn't possibly get any shitter...
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Second half was pathetic. Long balls up to a winger so it kept coming right back. Midfield just collapsed and we all knew they would pull level didn't we? Last five mins was bonkers and who the hell thought Whelan should take that pen? Only positive is we didn't lose. Can't see him surviving this.
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Millwall are going to richly fancy this one on saturday.
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I was hosting a conference call working from my home office when that cock Whelan stepped up to take a penalty to win a game we didn't deserve to win. I lost my shit when he missed and had to keep it together in the call.
It's karma you fucking useless cock Bruce. Fuck off.
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Red Sox has just reported in that Bolasie had the ball but Whelan took it off him.
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Someone, somehow, needs to explain to me why, when Bolasie, Grealish, McGinn, and Bjarnasson are on pitch we select Glenn fucking Whelan to take a 94th minute penalty
They all bottled it, we shouldnt be surprised, the last three did all second half
Feel sorry for Whelan but he didnt half signpost where he was placing that shot...
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Someone, somehow, needs to explain to me why, when Bolasie, Grealish, McGinn, and Bjarnasson are on pitch we select Glenn fucking Whelan to take a 94th minute penalty
Houriane aint got a bad shot
Wasn’t on pitch
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Red Sox has just reported in that Bolasie had the ball but Whelan took it off him.
He did.
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Red Sox has just reported in that Bolasie had the ball but Whelan took it off him.
I mean why would you want to give the ball to a bloke who recently cost 35m or something, an attacking player who scored earlier in the evening?
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Red Sox has just reported in that Bolasie had the ball but Whelan took it off him.
Whelan couldn't take a ball of anybody.
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Shocking 2nd half, Preston, the bottom team, could have had half a dozen goals, virtually every ball that come into our box was won by one their players.
BRUCE OUT NOW
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Someone, somehow, needs to explain to me why, when Bolasie, Grealish, McGinn, and Bjarnasson are on pitch we select Glenn fucking Whelan to take a 94th minute penalty
They all bottled it, we shouldnt be surprised, the last three did all second half
Feel sorry for Whelan but he didnt half signpost where he was placing that shot...
Do I fuck feel sorry for Whelan
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Millwall are going to richly fancy this one on saturday.
And our record there's terrible.
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That's our season royally fucked, but it seems to be the only way of flushing this turd. Yet another example of why Villa Park needs an exorcism, not a Director of Football.
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Any post match piss takes and excuses come from the mouth of the deluded liar yet?
Whelan, match winning penalty, I still can't believe he's fucking taken it. I'd rather have Bunn and the bloke struggles to find his own fucking goal line.
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You know he'll come out with some old crap about the "red card, but showed great character to come back and we could have won it at the end ". Get this chancer out of our club.
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Any post match piss takes and excuses come from the mouth of the deluded liar yet?
Whelan, match winning penalty, I still can't believe he's fucking taken it. I'd rather have Bunn and the bloke struggles to find his own fucking goal line.
Harder to play against ten men no doubt ready to be wheeled out
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Preston had 19 shots. A side that hadn't won for 9 games is bottom of the league and have most of their first team out came to VP and had 19 fecking shots.
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Preston had 19 shots. A side that hadn't won for 9 games is bottom of the league and have most of their first team out came to VP and had 19 fecking shots.
Have we taken 19 shots this season?
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Before tonight Whelan had take 1 and scored it, Bolasie had taken two and scored two. Given he had already scored...
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Whelan should be shot if he did take the ball off Bolasie for the pen
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Now 7 points off the top. Well it’s the new owners own fault now. Negligence.
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So fucking predictable .......... The owners need to make a statement of intent in the morning and get rid of Bruce and His "coaches" - they all appear to be stealing a living at B6
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Don't you guys see it. Whelan is one of us and also wants Bruce out. It can be the only rational explanation. We should be lauding him for being so selfless ;)
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Get rid of bruce tonight but how the fuck does a new manager do anything with our defence and keepers until january and that is without the problems of FFP because we aren't going up.
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If the bastards still in charge for the next home game I think there needs to be co-ordinated protests involving cabbages.
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Shocking second half very similar to 2 years ago when we gave away a 2 goal lead to draw 2-2.
why oh why did Whelan take that timidly hit free kick?? when Bolassie Jack McGinn and Birkir were still on the pitch???
poor management leaving no actual striker on the pitch--
Johnson looked good very much akin to Barry Bannan last week!
where are our warriors? very little pride passion and purpose on display.
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The one thing that will come out of this debacle, we are about to find out the true nature and commitment plus awareness and ambition of our new owners, will they or won't they??
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Red Sox has just reported in that Bolasie had the ball but Whelan took it off him.
proves Bruce wants a pay off as Whelan is his agent
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I await Spudtwat’s comments with interest. When we play against 10 men, it’s the hardest thing in the world. Preston didn’t find it that hard.
That has to be it for the useless ******?
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Get rid of bruce tonight but how the fuck does a new manager do anything with our defence and keepers until january and that is without the problems of FFP because we aren't going up.
I bet any decent manager could get a good side out of our squad.
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Don't you guys see it. Whelan is one of us and also wants Bruce out. It can be the only rational explanation. We should be lauding him for being so selfless ;)
That did cross my mind, but then I'm into conspiracy theories. That said, it does look like he's lost the players.
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Just reading that a fan threw at cabbage at SB.
It's gone straight into Saturday's starting XI.
Did it it him directly, or was it there or thereabouts?
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Someone, somehow, needs to explain to me why, when Bolasie, Grealish, McGinn, and Bjarnasson are on pitch we select Glenn fucking Whelan to take a 94th minute penalty
Houriane aint got a bad shot
Wasn’t on pitch
ffs Bruce out just for that
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The penalty https://twitter.com/KristofferF/status/1047226862949355520
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This league is so fucking average that any manager at with a semblance of a club, some tactical awareness and creativity will get us playing well and climbing the table. Not this useless fucker. What a colossal waste of space he is.
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That second half was nothing but Chaos.
The opening of it, not even competing.
Then the sending off, followed by total capitulation.
There was no shape, no thinking, no heart, no rallying, no nous shown by anyone. It was completely leaderless as we were ran over by the BOTTOM team of the SECOND DIVISION.
Somehow we end up scrambling an equaliser.
Then a defensive midfielder who has only been on the pitch 10 minutes is in charge of taking the decisive penalty.
That was just chaos, no direction coming from anywhere, no captain, no manager, just 10 blokes on a pitch all over the fucking shop.
It's a measure of how bad Preston are that they could have lost that. Probably the single worst 45 minutes I can remember seeing baring in mind who it was against.
BRUCE OUT.
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If the bastards still in charge for the next home game I think there needs to be co-ordinated protests involving cabbages.
I'd go with early season sprouts, part the same family, can be thrown further and harder on impact.
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Someone, somehow, needs to explain to me why, when Bolasie, Grealish, McGinn, and Bjarnasson are on pitch we select Glenn fucking Whelan to take a 94th minute penalty
Houriane aint got a bad shot
Wasn’t on pitch
ffs Bruce out just for that
Whelan would have taken the ball out of his hands too
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If he goes now, we at least might make the playoffs with a good manager. If this is allowed to go on the season is fucked and we will get ransacked in the transfer aftermath..
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Please sack him before he gives a contract to James Collins - it will turn my stomach to see him play for Villa again.
And when he is sacked, don't put any of his 'assistants' in temporary charge. Let Mark Delaney have a go - though tell him it is a free hit.
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Must be time for a caption competition
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Doh6F8lX4AAbCFo.jpg)
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Ironically, if tonight's performance and result ends up with the departure of Mr Bruce, then Agent Whelan could become a cult hero.
Funny old world.
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Just reading that a fan threw at cabbage at SB.
its like thowing a cousin at him
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Our penalty looks like it was given for Johnson fetching a cogwinder across Bjarni's mush. In which case why no red card for violent conduct?
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That second half was disgraceful and shambolic. I blame the players aswell but what the feck does he say to them at half time?
Preston were the worst team at VP for ages in the first half, we should have come out after half time and steamrollered them and scored 4 or 5. Instead we let them back into it.
Bruce OUT
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Look at the fat fucking coward here:
https://twitter.com/heartoftheholte/status/1047230315645820928?s=21
I’d rather have O’Leary back.
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It should be ''left by mutual consent'' before the night is over.
Fuck that, he doesn't deserve the chance.
It should be "Steve Bruce just wasn't performing at the level required for this great club, so he has been relieved of his duties. '
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Whelan grabbed the ball immediately and looked determined to take it from the moment it was given. Bizarre.
Perhaps symbolic of a lack of organisation, structure and intent.
Feels really crap right now.
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Unthanable!
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just home after leaving when they went 3-2 up. The most abject surrender I have witnessed for a very long time. What the fuck were we doing in the ten minutes at the start of the second half? A complete shambles and once Chester went off out chance of a comfortable victory had gone. In a way I'm glad we didn't take all three points as it would have been unfair on Preston. Bruce out now, no ifs no buts.
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Must be time for a caption competition
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Doh6F8lX4AAbCFo.jpg)
Bruce asking the cabbage if he can play right back?
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That's the Championship for you
26': Villa 1-0 Preston
37': Villa 2-0 Preston
54': Villa down to 10 men
56': Villa 2-1 Preston
79': Villa 2-2 Preston
84': Fan throws cabbage at Steve Bruce
86': Villa 2-3 Preston
90+1': Villa 3-3 Preston
90+3': Villa penalty
90+6': Villa miss pen
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Must be time for a caption competition
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Doh6F8lX4AAbCFo.jpg)
Bruce asking the cabbage if he can play right back?
My, my Gordon Strachan, that's a terrible boil you have.
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One Villa Cabbage, oh... there's only two Villa Cabbages, two Villa cabbages...
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Have we heard any drivel from the cowardly cabbage yet?
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I have no words.
I'll give you two
'Bruce' and 'Out'
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Wasn't there a story about Wolfie and a cabbage or am I imagining it?
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Ghastly, as expected. I bet on PNE to win.
Bozo Bruce will soon be gone, but the damage he has done may be with us for longer than many surmise.
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This league is pretty mediocre - as crap as we've been if we'd just won our home games against Brentford, Wednesday and Preston, we'd be joint top. It's not too late if we get a proper manager in.
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Have we heard any drivel from the cowardly cabbage yet?
The post match nonsense is on Facebook now, fill yer boots. Looks like a man who knows his time is done, to me.
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One Villa Cabbage, oh... there's only two Villa Cabbages, two Villa cabbages...
You are my Cabbage.
My Villa Cabbage.
You make Me Happy
When Brucie Can't
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Look at the fat fucking coward here:
https://twitter.com/heartoftheholte/status/1047230315645820928?s=21
I’d rather have O’Leary back.
As shit as this all is, I'm on high because I think it's nearly over. Fuck him. Get a decent manager and let's get after it.
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Post-match interview https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/744063742598305/
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One substitution made by Preston and we are completely overrun. Our Midfield just disappeared. It looked nailed in 3 or 4-0 at half time. I didn’t see penalty but Whelan? No logic whatsoever. The first ten minutes of the second half were awful and it’s not the first time that’s happened. The crowd have obviously had enough of Bruce, if they can afford to dump him then now is the time, not after Saturday, now.
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Just looking at the game without the rest of the issues, Preston looked every inch the bottom team in the first half. We played really well.
We let them play for 10 mins after half time when Johnson came on; we didn't counter the change and paid the price. I thought the law had changed on red cards(?), but nonetheless the players were as culpable as Bruce in the second half. The midfield 4 made little effort and made it look as if we were playing with 6 men. They could surely have done more (if they wanted to of course?) and then woke up for the last 5 minutes.
When we play against 10, it's always 'difficult', but we showed that not to be the case.
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Sky 'highlights' (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11515821/aston-villa-3-3-preston)
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As an aside from the utter misery of our ‘team’, how bad is it that the referee doesn’t even know the rules of the game?
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As expected it's all about the penalty and sending off for Bruce. I suppose he was bound to use that as the main excuse even if it's a total red herring. And no plan for if his two designated penalty takers aren't playing or have been taken off. Brilliant.
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Bunn is crap. Can't kick properly, the effort for their free kick was diabolical. You play him, expect mistakes. I blame Bruce.
Defensively, we were all over the place once Chester went off. Tuanzebe was arguably the better of the defenders tonight but heading is a worry. We lose Chester now for a spell. Tuanzebe and Jedinak as our centre backs against Millwall? Oh joy!
Midfield is struggling to click. McGinn, is he really all that, or have we Bruced him?
We might have bossed the first half but we saunter around the pitch a lot and Hourihane and Grealish are not doing the business.
Second half was as disorganised as I have seen us since we were getting relegated from the Premier Division, when none of them gave a shit.
A terrible second half performance personified by the arrogance of Whelan in snatching the ball from people used to scoring goals and taking penalties. Utter incompetence all round and I have no doubt at all that Bruce has either lost the plot, and doesn't know how to change it or doesn't really give a shit. The owners need to act, or they lose our faith too.
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Fuck all to do with the refs decision. Their team had a half time team talk. Our manager doesn’t do tactics
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I don't think we played particularly well in the first half. Preston were like rabbits in the headlights. When they realized they were the headlights of a Reliant Robin they started to attack us.
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Post-match interview https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/744063742598305/
I can’t believe I’m going to say this as I’ve wanted him gone for ages, but I actually felt sorry for him after watching this. Decent bloke, just totally out of his depth these days, hope they put him out of his misery tomorrow for all our sakes.
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Post-match interview https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/744063742598305/
I can’t believe I’m going to say this as I’ve wanted him gone for ages, but I actually felt sorry for him after watching this. Decent bloke, just totally out of his depth these days, hope they put him out of his misery tomorrow for all our sakes.
fuck him. He's not a decent bloke at all. He's played you like a kipper there Fred.
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Ah right, the coward blames the ref for tonight.
Still, we roll wor sleeves up eh?
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"The game changed on one horrible decision" - Bollocks did it, they were totally on top right from the start of the 2nd half because we were far too deep. The penalty and red card was a consequence of us bottling it and being far too deep.
"The 2 designated peanlty takers - Kodjia and Tammy - are sitting on the bench unfortunately" - who's fucking fault is that you bullshitting c**t?
"We'll have to roll our sleeves up" - yep, that's all it needs, no coaching or tactics.
No mention of there or thereabouts though, so no winners in the bingo.
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His interview on 5 Live sounds pretty conclusive (I hope). "I know the refs have a difficult job to do, but when I'm fighting for mine I really need them to step up and do theirs".
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I don't he's paid millions of pounds a year and all we hear are excuses and hindsight. He's a fucking joke and the team looks inspid and lazy. He doesn't work hard enough and neither do they.
No sympathy, just fuck off and rob someone else.
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Whelan should be shot if he did take the ball off Bolasie for the pen
lucky him he plays in england and not Iraq
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I have no read any of this thread yet, I wanted to post my thoughts while they are fresh.
There are so many points to rant about, that I think I could do so all night.
I sincerely hope that people are not giving any semblance of sympathy or sense of injustice because Chester got sent off and therefore that was the factor that meant we did not win the game. That cannot be more wrong.
We laboured to a 2 goal lead in the first half, against possibly one of the worst teams I have seen at Villa Park.
Very little about the first half performance showed that we had a plan or real direction. We huffed and puffed and 2 moments of class got us into the lead.
And then the second half abberation.
For the first 12 minutes, before their penalty we barely got in their half.
The standard and quality of our football was a fecking disgrace.
Then, after the penalty I have never witness such a brainless, brain dead performance in my life.
When you play 10 v 11, you make if difficulty for the 11.
You have to run, you have to work and more than anything else, you keep the ball when you have it.
Whacking the fucker at every opportunity, like we did, just invites presssure....time after time after time.
Not only are they a thick bunch of c***s on the pitch, but to me, it demonstrates a complete lack of professionalism and leadership.
Fair play to Preston, they smelled blood and went for it.
I am sure the why did Whelan question has been done to death , but I think that goes back to my previous point about leadership.
It pains me to say it, but I hope Bolasie has not given Bruce stay of execution with that goal, because, if he has, frankly I wish he hadn’t scored it.
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Well that was a surreal last half hour.
Guess this is what it's like to come off a really good/bad acid trip!
We'd have won that 3-0 if the red hadn't occured. I was actually shocked Chester went off, I thought it was supposed to be a yellow now for last man foul in the box?
Anyway things changed and I couldn't understand SB taking off Abraham straight away. I guess he kept Grealish on as he's the best in our team for possession but really a luxury midfielder is the obvious sub off when you go down to 10.
Anyway PNE had the freedom of VP from then on and 2-2 was only a matter of time. For all the stick he's had this season, that last half hour would've actually suited Jedinak. We couldn't win a header in our box to save our lives and it eventually cost us with Moult scoring.
Jedinak would've also taken the penalty...speaking of which I think we can replace Barry with Bolaise now in the long running why didn't he take the penalty gag. Madness Whelan took it.
That was the last time SB manages us at VP I'd imagine.
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Don't we get a free spin in the Bingo if he mentions sleeves or boots?
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Post-match interview https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/744063742598305/
I can’t believe I’m going to say this as I’ve wanted him gone for ages, but I actually felt sorry for him after watching this. Decent bloke, just totally out of his depth these days, hope they put him out of his misery tomorrow for all our sakes.
fuck him. He's not a decent bloke at all. He's played you like a kipper there Fred.
You’re probably right TV , I’m just a big old softie. Bruce out !
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Sounds like the most batshit crazy game down the Villa since 4-4 with Leicester nearly 25 years ago.
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Well that was a surreal last half hour.
Guess this is what it's like to come off a really good/bad acid trip!
Not really. A trip is often unpredictable.
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This is a more interesting post-match interview imo Bruce post-match audio boom on WM (https://audioboom.com/posts/7030399-steve-bruce-reacts-to-the-3-3-draw-with-preston-north-end)
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Post-match interview https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/744063742598305/
I can’t believe I’m going to say this as I’ve wanted him gone for ages, but I actually felt sorry for him after watching this. Decent bloke, just totally out of his depth these days, hope they put him out of his misery tomorrow for all our sakes.
I agree with this. Personally I wish him well. I like the guy and think that the loss of his parents has affected him very badly. Look at footage from when he joined to now and he looks a man destroyed.
Its only football and I wish for his and our sakes that he is put out of his suffering soon.
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He’s being a twat on Sky now
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Post-match interview https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/744063742598305/
I can’t believe I’m going to say this as I’ve wanted him gone for ages, but I actually felt sorry for him after watching this. Decent bloke, just totally out of his depth these days, hope they put him out of his misery tomorrow for all our sakes.
I agree with this. Personally I wish him well. I like the guy and think that the loss of his parents has affected him very badly. Look at footage from when he joined to now and he looks a man destroyed.
Its only football and I wish for his and our sakes that he is put out of his suffering soon.
I don't think he's a decent bloke, I think he's a lying chancer, and I hope his career goes into a tailspin after this. He's a rubbish manager, and he's set this club back years. Bollocks to him, and the horse he rode in on.
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Post-match interview https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/744063742598305/
I can’t believe I’m going to say this as I’ve wanted him gone for ages, but I actually felt sorry for him after watching this. Decent bloke, just totally out of his depth these days, hope they put him out of his misery tomorrow for all our sakes.
I agree with this. Personally I wish him well. I like the guy and think that the loss of his parents has affected him very badly. Look at footage from when he joined to now and he looks a man destroyed.
Its only football and I wish for his and our sakes that he is put out of his suffering soon.
Thinking he's doing a bad job and liking the bloke are not mutually exclusive. I want a change in direction as much as any fan but it's not like he's ranting and raving. He seems like a nice chap who is disappointed that the best job he'll ever get is going to be taken away from him.
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Don't we get a free spin in the Bingo if he mentions sleeves or boots?
I think Kipling's Boots is very apt
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Grealish is starting to do my head in....turning into a luxury item...bit like that Beckham C**t.
He can't defend and simply runs round in circle's in our own half with them barbie doll shin pads tied to his fucking ankles.....Grow Up Jack before it's all over.
As for Bruce...Same Shit every week......Good Bye and Good Riddance.
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I've gone right off him. Enjoy your retirement.
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I've gone right off him. Enjoy your retirement.
Me too, He’s just said how unfair we’ve been on him
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This is a more interesting post-match interview imo Bruce post-match audio boom on WM (https://audioboom.com/posts/7030399-steve-bruce-reacts-to-the-3-3-draw-with-preston-north-end)
Yep. Here he blames the ref and is afronted by the fans.
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I don't buy the nice bloke stuff either anymore. He's as big a tool as Mr Fickle was and it will be a joyous day when the lying scrote is no longer associated with this fine club.
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I have no read any of this thread yet, I wanted to post my thoughts while they are fresh.
There are so many points to rant about, that I think I could do so all night.
I sincerely hope that people are not giving any semblance of sympathy or sense of injustice because Chester got sent off and therefore that was the factor that meant we did not win the game. That cannot be more wrong.
We laboured to a 2 goal lead in the first half, against possibly one of the worst teams I have seen at Villa Park.
Very little about the first half performance showed that we had a plan or real direction. We huffed and puffed and 2 moments of class got us into the lead.
And then the second half abberation.
For the first 12 minutes, before their penalty we barely got in their half.
The standard and quality of our football was a fecking disgrace.
Then, after the penalty I have never witness such a brainless, brain dead performance in my life.
When you play 10 v 11, you make if difficulty for the 11.
You have to run, you have to work and more than anything else, you keep the ball when you have it.
Whacking the fucker at every opportunity, like we did, just invites presssure....time after time after time.
Not only are they a thick bunch of c***s on the pitch, but to me, it demonstrates a complete lack of professionalism and leadership.
Fair play to Preston, they smelled blood and went for it.
I am sure the why did Whelan question has been done to death , but I think that goes back to my previous point about leadership.
It pains me to say it, but I hope Bolasie has not given Bruce stay of execution with that goal, because, if he has, frankly I wish he hadn’t scored it.
andyh thank you saving me the trouble of typing. Agree 100%. It was the 10 mins before the pen and then totally totally pathetic performance post that did it. Complete shambles.
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I don't buy the nice bloke stuff either anymore. He's as big a tool as Mr Fickle was and it will be a joyous day when the lying scrote is no longer associated with this fine club.
100%.
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Up until the added time I think we got into the Preston half twice in the second half. Beyond belief.
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I've gone right off him. Enjoy your retirement.
Me too, He’s just said how unfair we’ve been on him
Fuck off Steve. Go and spend your millions we have given you.
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Honestly, I can't even be bothered to write negative post-match thoughts anymore. I'm bored by it.
With that said, Fulham were 7th in the table at the break last year. They played this game called football and earned their spoils.
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Post-match interview https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/744063742598305/
I can’t believe I’m going to say this as I’ve wanted him gone for ages, but I actually felt sorry for him after watching this. Decent bloke, just totally out of his depth these days, hope they put him out of his misery tomorrow for all our sakes.
I agree with this. Personally I wish him well. I like the guy and think that the loss of his parents has affected him very badly. Look at footage from when he joined to now and he looks a man destroyed.
Its only football and I wish for his and our sakes that he is put out of his suffering soon.
I don't think he's a decent bloke, I think he's a lying chancer, and I hope his career goes into a tailspin after this. He's a rubbish manager, and he's set this club back years. Bollocks to him, and the horse he rode in on.
Absolutely spot on Risso. I've never really liked him, although I've tried to as he's the manager of our club. I've absolutely always hated his brand of football. Fucking dreadful.
For me,(of course nobody likes to be criticised, but this is life)Bruce cannot stand being questioned, no matter how shit he's been. This is why I want him out more than anything else. He seems adverse to any sort of change, or taking on board the opinion or insight of others. He's surrounded by yes men, it seems. Calderwood and Clemence. Average players, average coaches. Get out.
Fuck off Bruce. You will not be remembered fondly.
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I've gone right off him. Enjoy your retirement.
Me too, He’s just said how unfair we’ve been on him
Fuck off Steve. Go and spend your millions we have given you.
I take it you went mate. You didn't throw that cabbage did you?
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This is a more interesting post-match interview imo Bruce post-match audio boom on WM (https://audioboom.com/posts/7030399-steve-bruce-reacts-to-the-3-3-draw-with-preston-north-end)
The circus in the stadium? What does he mean by that? Sounds to me from that interview that he knows he's fucked.
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The whole second half was a fucking shambles even before the sending off
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Up until the added time I think we got into the Preston half twice in the second half. Beyond belief.
Pretty sure the equaliser was our first attack of any note after the Hutton 'shot' more than half an hour earlier.
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Fuck me. Glenn fucking Whelan.
That c*** has to go.
Him, Bruce or both?
I'll go with both.
Both. He should have wacked that as hard as he could right down the centre. Of course he shouldn’t have taken it on in the first place.
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This is a more interesting post-match interview imo Bruce post-match audio boom on WM (https://audioboom.com/posts/7030399-steve-bruce-reacts-to-the-3-3-draw-with-preston-north-end)
The circus in the stadium? What does he mean by that? Sounds to me from that interview that he knows he's fucked.
Agree, hope we both right
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I don't get the nice guy thing either but anyway it's irrelevant whether he's Mother Teresa or the devil incarnate as a person. What matters is he's stealing a massive living from our club, leaving it in a right bleeding mess and trying to cover it up with spades of bullshit. That makes him a c*** in my book.
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This is a more interesting post-match interview imo Bruce post-match audio boom on WM (https://audioboom.com/posts/7030399-steve-bruce-reacts-to-the-3-3-draw-with-preston-north-end)
The circus in the stadium? What does he mean by that? Sounds to me from that interview that he knows he's fucked.
It was tame by Villa Park standards. Ask TSM1 or TSM2 or even Eric 8 wins in 20 years of coaching Black.
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That was a perfect example of this clowns lack of game management. We go in 2 up after some half decent play against a very poor side. 2nd half thier manager mamesca tactical change in bringing on Johnson. We had no idea to combat it (insert Bannon / Woods / et al) and they end up dominating us for 10 mins whilst we retract further and further back until the pen. Just or not we go a man down and concede. He then makes one of the most bizarre changes I've ever seen. We clearly offer them the chance to come at us by banking 2 sets of 4 and then kept conceding possession by lumping it 40 yards up field. No idea whatsoever on game management.
Where is all his experience?
To the board this will not get any better, there is no plan and he does not even know his best team or how they should play.
Put him out of our misery
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I've gone right off him. Enjoy your retirement.
Me too, He’s just said how unfair we’ve been on him
Fuck off Steve. Go and spend your millions we have given you.
I take it you went mate. You didn't throw that cabbage did you?
Yes I was there and no vegetables left my hands😊
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I can agree with one thing with Bruce I'm disappointed too.
In some ways the fates conspired not to win tonight and after such a comfortable first half the second half proved disastrous.
The credit to the final flurry in equalising and nearly re winning the match .
I draw the line at insulting Bruce and hope he's okay as he has had it very tough personally.
I think he's just not suited now for what we what to achieve and has not the ideas to move forward. Haven't seen enough to convince now that he should have much longer .
Villa have continued the impressive record of scoring in every match the only team to do so in championship and I think that's a platform to build on attacking wise
Also I have only see.the foul and red card once and Bruce said he's seen it 5 times and suggest it's not the right decision
Correct or not the collapse by the players and the systems used just invited pressure.
Did I see Mcginn as some sort of left back in a. 5 player defence
Another issue was deposited two well taken goals the line up seemed to be a 4-5-1 with Abrahams. Up front by himself.
For me also I would have had Whelan on to hold midfield and still have players there to provide an attacking threat
I also saw the deabte for the pen which looked like Bolasie and tuanzabe were wanting to take it too and Hutton was there I guess acting as captain . Bolasie was the one hanging around most after Whelan stepped up .
So first half and before sending off things were okay in part due to the weakest team in the league.
They are really poor as Preston could hold a lead for a few minutes despite playing against 10 men and desperately needing the points
Yes I said credit to the villa comeback but that probably due in part to opposition.
Really that was a victory and beat ourselves .again !
Now the free kick which was scored seemed to sneak in and Bunn was caught out but that could also be the wall position and not organised defence . The whole line up at back was all over the place and when tested it was only matter time to score a header.
Apparently Steve Bruce has a bizarre press conference going to be on talk sport shortly.
Probably found or heard elsewhere
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I've gone right off him. Enjoy your retirement.
Me too, He’s just said how unfair we’ve been on him
Fuck off Steve. Go and spend your millions we have given you.
I take it you went mate. You didn't throw that cabbage did you?
Yes I was there and no vegetables left my hands😊
Haha. Villa as bizarre as always. I think there'll be a new bloke in charge for your next home game, fella!
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The whole second half was a fucking shambles even before the sending off
No,no,no,no....you are wrong.
Steve said the THE FIRST HOUR was some of the best football we have played this season.
The first 15 minutes of the second half was just us sitting back, in total control, ready to spring like a coiled snake.
Mind you, Steve has a tendency to being a lying, spinning, bullshiting twat, so you could be right.
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This is a more interesting post-match interview imo Bruce post-match audio boom on WM (https://audioboom.com/posts/7030399-steve-bruce-reacts-to-the-3-3-draw-with-preston-north-end)
The circus in the stadium? What does he mean by that? Sounds to me from that interview that he knows he's fucked.
It was tame by Villa Park standards. Ask TSM1 or TSM2 or even Eric 8 wins in 20 years of coaching Black.
Have you heard or have anything about Bruce and post match press conference talk sport reporting he had an outburst and they are to play it shortly
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"I'm not going to slate anyone who takes the responsibility of stepping forward to take the penalty. Especially when it seems that he has just earned me a £1.7million pay off!"
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This is a more interesting post-match interview imo Bruce post-match audio boom on WM (https://audioboom.com/posts/7030399-steve-bruce-reacts-to-the-3-3-draw-with-preston-north-end)
The circus in the stadium? What does he mean by that? Sounds to me from that interview that he knows he's fucked.
It was tame by Villa Park standards. Ask TSM1 or TSM2 or even Eric 8 wins in 20 years of coaching Black.
Have you heard or have anything about Bruce and post match press conference talk sport reporting he had an outburst and they are to play it shortly
It's on now.
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Some positive notes
It seems ages ago now but the way Mcginn harried and won the ball for Abrahams goal was the passion and great endeavour that this Mcginn has shown and so much appreciated.
Similarly the way rallied at end by all accounts was a major positive. it's hard as the disappoint is raw .
On talk sport now Bruce saying he's being hounded.
Tbh there was no melt down or outburst and it was disgrace full and misleading how talk sport presented that. Sorry !
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Here's the nice guy in action, this sums him up. I've said it before that it's amazing how often he says he's not looking for excuses before giving an excuse. "I’m not looking for excuses, but when I’m fighting for my job, you need referees to stand up and do their job properly.”
Oh and Steve, if you could do your job properly we wouldn't be mid-table in division fecking two.
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Haven’t felt this flat since Stoke at home about 10 years ago. Whelan was responsible for that too!
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Up until the added time I think we got into the Preston half twice in the second half. Beyond belief.
Pretty sure the equaliser was our first attack of any note after the Hutton 'shot' more than half an hour earlier.
It was such an embarrassing half. Normally we're shit in the first half and step it up in the second. It's how Bruce has survived so long, fans remember more the second half. Tonight bit him on the arse.
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The whole second half was a fucking shambles even before the sending off
No,no,no,no....you are wrong.
Steve said the THE FIRST HOUR was some of the best football we have played this season.
The first 15 minutes of the second half was just us sitting back, in total control, ready to spring like a coiled snake.
Mind you, Steve has a tendency to being a lying, spinning, bullshiting twat, so you could be right.
Nah, you can fuck right off with that, there's no way on earth he said that. He can't have done. No chance.
Did he?
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Truly bizarre that at home to the worst side in the division we ended the game with 4 defenders and none of them are CB (going by SB rules) and no strikers.
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Shocking 2nd half, Preston, the bottom team, could have had half a dozen goals, virtually every ball that come into our box was won by one their players.
BRUCE OUT NOW
For all the stick he's taken this season Jedinak at CB would've been ideal last half hour. And given he is great for them for Australia he'd have taken the penalty I'd imagine.
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As far as I'm concerned the decent thing to do is to admit you've made a fucking mess of things and walk away, If he did that I reckon most fans would put a lot of the shit in the last 6 months down to his family situation and he'd get very little shit from anyone. By reacting like he did after Rotherham and giving interviews where he appears to be goading the fans and board (as if he's trying to get pushed) he's bringing the abuse on to himself. I try really hard to keep everything about his actions but it's getting harder by the week to not just go both barrels at him as a person.
The situation is now toxic and we'd honestly be better off with a tea lady in the dugout for Saturday. For everyone's sake he needs to go tomorrow or things will get ugly.
Oh, and it was definitely a penalty for them and Chester made no attempt to win the ball (it was just clumsy really) so I can sort of understand why the ref gave a red but I suspect it'll be over turned.
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He lost that game when he panicked and substituted Abraham straight away. Everything after that was a foregone conclusion. The fact we were even in a position to win the game shows how crap Preston were. I thought the 1st half performance was really really poor and yet without getting out of 1st gear we were 2 up.
Everything about that game just stank of Steve Bruce and we’ve just drawn at home to the team bottom of the league.
He needs to be gone soon.
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I have no words.
I have 3. The second and third are off Bruce.
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fuck me did he just say for an hour today it was the best we have played this season?
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Truly bizarre that at home to the worst side in the division we ended the game with 4 defenders and none of them are CB (going by SB rules) and no strikers.
Welcome to Bruceball.
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The whole second half was a fucking shambles even before the sending off
No,no,no,no....you are wrong.
Steve said the THE FIRST HOUR was some of the best football we have played this season.
The first 15 minutes of the second half was just us sitting back, in total control, ready to spring like a coiled snake.
Mind you, Steve has a tendency to being a lying, spinning, bullshiting twat, so you could be right.
I don’t think we touched the ball for the first 7 minutes of the 2nd half so Bruce can go and bollocks with that shit. That 2nd half tonight was one of the worst I’ve ever seen from a Villa team and I’m not exaggerating. It was total surrender to a piss poor Preston team and it was unforgivable.
Get the hell out of the Villa, Bruce.
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I hope this is history repeating itself. An abject display against Preston led to RDM getting the push. Hopefully the same will happen after this latest disgrace.
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As far as I'm concerned the decent thing to do is to admit you've made a fucking mess of things and walk away, If he did that I reckon most fans would put a lot of the shit in the last 6 months down to his family situation and he'd get very little shit from anyone. By reacting like he did after Rotherham and giving interviews where he appears to be goading the fans and board (as if he's trying to get pushed) he's bringing the abuse on to himself. I try really hard to keep everything about his actions but it's getting harder by the week to not just go both barrels at him as a person.
The situation is now toxic and we'd honestly be better off with a tea lady in the dugout for Saturday. For everyone's sake he needs to go tomorrow or things will get ugly.
Oh, and it was definitely a penalty for them and Chester made no attempt to win the ball (it was just clumsy really) so I can sort of understand why the ref gave a red but I suspect it'll be over turned.
The shameless fucker will not walk away. He's waiting for a pay off.
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I just hope he’s sacked by tomorrow. He doesn’t deserve another match as Villa manager.
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The whole second half was a fucking shambles even before the sending off
No,no,no,no....you are wrong.
Steve said the THE FIRST HOUR was some of the best football we have played this season.
The first 15 minutes of the second half was just us sitting back, in total control, ready to spring like a coiled snake.
Mind you, Steve has a tendency to being a lying, spinning, bullshiting twat, so you could be right.
Nah, you can fuck right off with that, there's no way on earth he said that. He can't have done. No chance.
Did he?
Oh he did...but to be fair he was all over the place and was babbling on about all sorts....sounded to me like he knows he's a goner...or very nearly.
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I don't get the nice guy thing either but anyway it's irrelevant whether he's Mother Teresa or the devil incarnate as a person. What matters is he's stealing a massive living from our club, leaving it in a right bleeding mess and trying to cover it up with spades of bullshit. That makes him a c*** in my book.
True.
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He lost that game when he panicked and substituted Abraham straight away. Everything after that was a foregone conclusion. The fact we were even in a position to win the game shows how crap Preston were. I thought the 1st half performance was really really poor and yet without getting out of 1st gear we were 2 up.
Everything about that game just stank of Steve Bruce and we’ve just drawn at home to the team bottom of the league.
He needs to be gone soon.
Was strange that it was Abraham and not that bone idle clown Kodjia who made way first but it didn't matter a jot given our midfield downed tools. Preston pressed our defenders high up the park and we kicked possession back to them repeatedly.
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Bruce said on Talkshite that 'he deserves more respect from the fans for getting Villa to the play off final last season'. He needed to add 'where I also failed to get a tune out of the team and turned in a completely negative performance and deserved to lose'. Some sensible fans on Talkshite for once. Other than some Leedz wanker on right now.
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He lost that game when he panicked and substituted Abraham straight away. Everything after that was a foregone conclusion. The fact we were even in a position to win the game shows how crap Preston were. I thought the 1st half performance was really really poor and yet without getting out of 1st gear we were 2 up.
Everything about that game just stank of Steve Bruce and we’ve just drawn at home to the team bottom of the league.
He needs to be gone soon.
It was. It's as if he genuinely cannot stop himself. And I reckon deep down he'd changed his mind about bringing Whelan on, and wanted to put Hogan on instead. But he didn't want to make himself look like a twat.
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He'll probably say it was because Tammy was still carrying a knock.
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Can't even be arsed to read the thread. I'm practically speechless after that debacle. After the first half I expected us to go on to win comfortably but even before the penalty we looked as though we'd had mogadon at half time and they'd had coke. Complete shambles second half from the penalty, the sending off, sloppy passing, dropping deep, hoofing to no one in particular, baffling substitutions (again) and someone who's scored once in 7 years elected to take the penalty. I think that's the end for Bruce and from his post match interview he sounded like he knows it.
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I hope this is history repeating itself. An abject display against Preston led to RDM getting the push. Hopefully the same will happen after this latest disgrace.
I thought that too - history repeating itself as farce if tonight is anything to go by.
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Just back and haven’t read anyone else’s comments.
For me a 90min snapshot of why we should be pissing this league and also why we are not.
First half we were energetic, aggressive and moved the ball with purpose against a very poor Preston team, they were lucky to have nil at half time.
Second we retreated into Bruce’s tactical shell and then it was up there with the direst performance of the last few years, no mean feat. He just hasn’t got the tactical nous to cope with what should be a manageable issue, a sending off. That this early in the season we are playing with two 20 year old CBs is just another nail in an already crowded coffin lid.
I really don’t wish him any I’ll will but he’s crushing the spirit he admittedly helped return.
Just fucking go.
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I don't get the nice guy thing either but anyway it's irrelevant whether he's Mother Teresa or the devil incarnate as a person. What matters is he's stealing a massive living from our club, leaving it in a right bleeding mess and trying to cover it up with spades of bullshit. That makes him a c*** in my book.
True.
Can we go with both so he can go f**k himself?
Sorry, harsh but couldn't let that pass.
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While the result was unsurprising, the manner of it was astonishing. I watched the start of the second half and kept looking at the clock, six minutes elapsed until we had any possession of note, while Preston stroked it around gaining confidence with every pass, seeing us sitting back like Billy big bollocks. They had us then, scented blood and I knew as well sitting on my sofa. It was all so predictable and a consequence of cowardly management that has become the managers hallmark in the 2 years that he has been here. Add to that a set of gifted players who patently don't want to play for the man and hid when the penalty was given.
It's a lost cause, everyone knows that now and as someone stated earlier, the onus is now on the people that run the club to change things.
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I don't get the nice guy thing either but anyway it's irrelevant whether he's Mother Teresa or the devil incarnate as a person. What matters is he's stealing a massive living from our club, leaving it in a right bleeding mess and trying to cover it up with spades of bullshit. That makes him a c*** in my book.
True.
Can we go with both so he can go f**k himself?
Sorry, harsh but couldn't let that pass.
Sorry I edited my post before your reply. Yes we can lol
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I hope this is history repeating itself. An abject display against Preston led to RDM getting the push. Hopefully the same will happen after this latest disgrace.
I thought that too - history repeating itself as farce if tonight is anything to go by.
After game 11 as well (plays X Files music)
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If ever we are playing a team that goes down to ten men I want that opposition team to play like we did tonight. Pathetic, shambolic, gutless panic driven clueless effort with no plan and no fix from the man in charge. It was unbelievable.
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I still think it will be after Millwall. I'm hoping it's sooner though.
Our 11th league game this season is against Preston, our 11th, and final, league game under RDM was against Preston. I wonder if history will repeat itself.
Although I think it's more likely that Millwall away is the most likely bullet game. A quarter of the season gone and a 2 week break so if things haven't picked by then it seems the best time to do it. From the owners perspective at least.
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If ever we are playing a team that goes down to ten men I want that opposition team to play like we did tonight. Pathetic, shambolic, gutless panic driven clueless effort with no plan and no fix from the man in charge. It was unbelievable.
And at the same time no surprise.
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Bruce said on Talkshite that 'he deserves more respect from the fans for getting Villa to the play off final last season'. He needed to add 'where I also failed to get a tune out of the team and turned in a completely negative performance and deserved to lose'. Some sensible fans on Talkshite for once. Other than some Leedz wanker on right now.
When’s he going to admit that finishing in the play offs was fucking abject failure compared to the resources he had
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For me last season play offs were failure, top 2 was the target. Indeed John Terry in his first Villa interview said his target was to win the league so yes desperate spinning from SB on that one.
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Think I was at a different game ......
Bruce saying what excellent football we played in the first game ...... we played with little tempo and were 2-0 up against a very poor team
Preston made a tactical change and we hardly touched the ball for 10 minutes ...we should have been on the front foot and killing the game off but no we sat back
Yes it was a penalty ....and yes Chester had to go he was last man
Our play then was dismal with 10 men
Whelan took the penalty possibly because others went and hid ....why was no instruction given from the bench
Enough is enough and tomorrow we should hear that Bruce has left ..... and put us out of our misery
We watch a shambles when we have a team who should be playing attacking football and scaring other teams but we are dull tepid and negative and thats down to one man
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MOTM: The Phantom Cabbage Thrower. Respect.
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Bolasie had the ball for the pen and Whelan took it off him, Abraham was giving him a round of fucks on the final whistle for letting it go. Fair dos to Whelan for stepping up but fuck me, that was a shite pen. The keeper fucking caught it, it wasn’t hit hard enough to have to parry.
Bruce is taking the piss, why should we be grateful that a bloke on £3m a year has done just enough to to avoid the sack so far?
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Bruce said on Talkshite that 'he deserves more respect from the fans for getting Villa to the play off final last season'. He needed to add 'where I also failed to get a tune out of the team and turned in a completely negative performance and deserved to lose'. Some sensible fans on Talkshite for once. Other than some Leedz wanker on right now.
When’s he going to admit that finishing in the play offs was fucking abject failure compared to the resources he had
Spot on
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He lost that game when he panicked and substituted Abraham straight away. Everything after that was a foregone conclusion. The fact we were even in a position to win the game shows how crap Preston were. I thought the 1st half performance was really really poor and yet without getting out of 1st gear we were 2 up.
Everything about that game just stank of Steve Bruce and we’ve just drawn at home to the team bottom of the league.
He needs to be gone soon.
Was strange that it was Abraham and not that bone idle clown Kodjia who made way first but it didn't matter a jot given our midfield downed tools. Preston pressed our defenders high up the park and we kicked possession back to them repeatedly.
I thought the same Re the subs. Crazy
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Bruce's final performance at the Theatre of the Absurd and what a crowning masterpiece.Literally stroll into a 2-0 lead.In the second half ,retreat ,stand off and give them space to play in as though they were Barcelona and not the bottom of the table side.No attempt to keep the ball but just lump it forward and watch it come back.At 2-2 with the need for 3 points ,bring on Whelan instead of a striker.But hey losing 3-2 with 10 men and no striker,we can score when we want to but not take penalties.
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Whelan should have been on 10/15 mins before, our midfield 4 were all fucked and they were running behind us every single attack.
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https://twitter.com/AstonCabbage
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Dunno who the ref was but why the fuck wasn’t he in charge of the 2010 league cup final.
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Can't even be arsed to read the thread. I'm practically speechless after that debacle. After the first half I expected us to go on to win comfortably but even before the penalty we looked as though we'd had mogadon at half time and they'd had coke. Complete shambles second half from the penalty, the sending off, sloppy passing, dropping deep, hoofing to no one in particular, baffling substitutions (again) and someone who's scored once in 7 years elected to take the penalty. I think that's the end for Bruce and from his post match interview he sounded like he knows it.
Agree. However, It was an abject display from the players in the second half. No fight, absolutely nowt. No leadership
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Apparently that's the first time in his career that Whelan has made a 12 yard forward pass in an opposition penalty area.
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To be honest, if you had a cabbage, you were aiming at Bruce, and then missed the target...
I can't condone throwing things at the manager, but you'd have to have a pretty shit aim.
Utterly bizarre.
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Whelan should have been on 10/15 mins before, our midfield 4 were all fucked and they were running behind us every single attack.
You are correct but the Manager also needed to sort them out positionally and tell Whelan to play in front of the back four with Grealish and McGinn going narrow, Bolasie at centre forward etc. Instead, he just throws them on randomly and expects them to sort themselves out. Not good management at all.
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The fucker should be sacked purely for wasting Jacks talent out on the wing, worst thing was against the bottom of the league, at 2.0 up you could see the implosion coming.
We are dull, defensive and boring, if we are dull, defensive, boring, and can’t hold on to a two goal lead against a shit team, what exactly does he bring to the party?
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https://twitter.com/AstonCabbage
heheheh. ACE.
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I'd be here all fucking night if I tried to set out what all the issues were with the performance tonight.
I'm having the snip on Friday and I reckon I'll still have more spunk in my shots than a Bruce team.
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Whelan should have been on 10/15 mins before, our midfield 4 were all fucked and they were running behind us every single attack.
Arguably Whelan should have been the one brought on first, that would have caused a meltdown at Villa Park mind. The alarm bells were already ringing 5 mins into the secomd half as we hadn't touched the ball. Exact same happened v Rotherham.
Our midfield four were an utter disgrace in that second half. Think about the wages they are getting compared to the Preston lads. Johnson was made look the next coming of Pirlo when he came on.
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I'd be here all fucking night if I tried to set out what all the issues were with the performance tonight.
I'm having the snip on Friday and I reckon I'll still have more spunk in my shots than a Bruce team.
Don't trust myself to discuss the game on here to be honest, but fairplay, getting castrated in protest - i'm just an amateur in comparison.
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Whelan should have been on 10/15 mins before, our midfield 4 were all fucked and they were running behind us every single attack.
I agree at 2-1.It was the defensive mindset that wrecked the midfield.No Villa player got within 5 yards of Johnson and he was able to pick out players as he pleased.At 2-2 I thought we needed to change the attitude and attack Preston who were incredibly poor in defence.
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Hourihan tires rapidly with XI, he really struggled second half, look at the passage where they hit post, he was miles away from Johnson who had an age to pick out a shot that Bunn saved well.
A cowardly, timid second half display from all of them.
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Whelan should have been on 10/15 mins before, our midfield 4 were all fucked and they were running behind us every single attack.
I agree at 2-1.It was the defensive mindset that wrecked the midfield.No Villa player got within 5 yards of Johnson and he was able to pick out players as he pleased.At 2-2 I thought we needed to change the attitude and attack Preston who were incredibly poor in defence.
Yup, also they were getting their left back forward at will with no one to stop him, pushing a winger forward might have given us the initiative again but no, let’s hope for the best and just belt the ball aimlessly forward.
On a lighter note, Axels best game for us I thought. Crap on set pieces mind.
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Sadly this side isn't going up even with a half competent manager. he's fucked up the defence, unbalanced the midfield and stuffed us full of loans. time to rebuild.
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Sadly this side isn't going up even with a half competent manager. he's fucked up the defence, unbalanced the midfield and stuffed us full of loans. time to rebuild.
I agree 100%, the only saving grace is that there isn't a decent side in the division this year so any kind of decent run would take us into contention.
I don't agree with the narrative that we have a group of players that should smash this division. We have a hopelessly unbalanced squad with no keeper, defence or functioning midfield. We had a much better squad last season.
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Tonight I abandoned my trusty new Villa polo shirt, labelled as my "lucky shirt" after the win at Hull but clinging onto that position harder than SB, and went to the match for the first time in 18 years in my 1999/2000 LDV vans classic away top.
So do I wear it again for Millwall? Not sure I can judge it on tonight's game.
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Sadly this side isn't going up even with a half competent manager. he's fucked up the defence, unbalanced the midfield and stuffed us full of loans. time to rebuild.
I agree 100%, the only saving grace is that there isn't a decent side in the division this year so any kind of decent run would take us into contention.
I don't agree with the narrative that we have a group of players that should smash this division. We have a hopelessly unbalanced squad with no keeper, defence or functioning midfield. We had a much better squad last season.
Maybe, but this squad isn't being used to its potential.
I think Nyland could be ok , he looks a good shot stopper and was improving otherwise, but his confidence will be fucked being thrown under the bus by SB tonight.
Back 4 before Chester red card was ok, the more Elmo,Chester,Tuanzebe and Hutton play together the less they'll fuck up
In games we should win, and at home - McGinn,Grealish,Bjarnasson midfield, Boliase,Abraham and kodjia
In away games /tougher games - McGinn,Grealish, Whelan or Jedi, Bolasie,Abraham and Kodjia as before
Bench : Goalie (either), Taylor, Jedi or Whelan, Hourihane,El Ghazi,Hogan, Davies/RHM/DoyleHayes/Adomah
Just need someone to set them up properly, and a bit of confidence that someone has a f***ing plan
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Must be time for a caption competition
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Doh6F8lX4AAbCFo.jpg)
Colcannon (one for our Irish lads), Bubble and Squeak in the dug out tonight.
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Whelan should have been on 10/15 mins before, our midfield 4 were all fucked and they were running behind us every single attack.
I agree at 2-1.It was the defensive mindset that wrecked the midfield.No Villa player got within 5 yards of Johnson and he was able to pick out players as he pleased.At 2-2 I thought we needed to change the attitude and attack Preston who were incredibly poor in defence.
I still can't fathom out why he stuck McGinn wide left and left Bjarnason in the centre at 2-1. At least he knows that position ffs.
They mullered us down that side after the sending off and then to top it all off he finally does switch McGinn and Bjarnason after Whelan came on! It's almost as if he's doing shit like this on purpose to wind us up.
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Sadly this side isn't going up even with a half competent manager. he's fucked up the defence, unbalanced the midfield and stuffed us full of loans. time to rebuild.
I agree 100%, the only saving grace is that there isn't a decent side in the division this year so any kind of decent run would take us into contention.
I don't agree with the narrative that we have a group of players that should smash this division. We have a hopelessly unbalanced squad with no keeper, defence or functioning midfield. We had a much better squad last season.
yep. it's looking more and more likely he stumbled on a winning formula last season through luck rather than design. When he took over i wasn't expecting much more than "hard to beat, workmanlike, solid at the back , shit football etc" Fine, that was the bargain for getting up - I didn't agree with those wanting him but i could see the logic - we put up with the equivalent of bleach thrown in our eyes for 90 minutes for getting up. 3rd season in and it's basically players out of position and personnel/formation changed every game so we just look a fucking horror show, because that tends to happen y'know, when you don't know your fucking best first XI and you just loan in or buy players on a whim because another fucking winger is more important than having 2 centre halves and a defensive midfielder who can last 90 minutes. He's lost it, he needs to go and hopefully the next guy will be able to repair the damage in January so we at least have a squad fit for purpose
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By all accounts the referee tonight does not know the rules of the game changed at the start of the season and Chester should have received just a yellow card. No great surprise as this is the same referee who gave Reading that harsh penalty against Reading earlier in the season
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Sadly this side isn't going up even with a half competent manager. he's fucked up the defence, unbalanced the midfield and stuffed us full of loans. time to rebuild.
WBA are pretty crap at the back too but they have decided to just go for the we will score more than your approach ..attack is the best form of defence and thats how we need to play now ..untill Jan at least when we will have to sort out CB and possibly another keeper ...
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Sadly this side isn't going up even with a half competent manager. he's fucked up the defence, unbalanced the midfield and stuffed us full of loans. time to rebuild.
WBA are pretty crap at the back too but they have decided to just go for the we will score more than your approach ..attack is the best form of defence and thats how we need to play now ..untill Jan at least when we will have to sort out CB and possibly another keeper ...
while WBA may be below average defensively, they still have more than 1 and a half centre halves!. stats speak for themselves - we've let in 18. only preston have let in more
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Sadly this side isn't going up even with a half competent manager. he's fucked up the defence, unbalanced the midfield and stuffed us full of loans. time to rebuild.
I agree 100%, the only saving grace is that there isn't a decent side in the division this year so any kind of decent run would take us into contention.
I don't agree with the narrative that we have a group of players that should smash this division. We have a hopelessly unbalanced squad with no keeper, defence or functioning midfield. We had a much better squad last season.
Not sure about the no decent side in this division argument.
Almost every side we face is super fit, well organized and aware of their own and our strengths and weaknesses. The financial implications would appear to have concentrated minds on the task in hand apart from ours. The fact that we're big, we have massive support, we've got a great stadium, we have state of the art training facilities and a great yoot setup will not cut it.
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Why was Bunn in goal? For me he's just one of the Agbonlahor/Richards/Guzan bad santa ****** brigade.
Diabolical player. Then again, diabolical manager.
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I only had the match thread to follow the game by which is probably just as well.
We have been an accident waiting to happen all season.
It seems that the Chester send off was kind of the camel breaking back moment really.
Is it any surprise when you completely get the transfer window so wrong?
Watching Steer and Elphick in pre-season (and Hull with Elphick) they both seemed adequate.
Not the world's best by any stretch but certainly capable in the circumstances.
Bruce now obviously has seen for himself that he has made a very bad call in the goalkeeping department as it seems he now doesn't fancy either of the two he has brought in.
By continually playing players out of position leads to disorganisation and it's no wonder we can't dominate games.
This all lies at the Manager's door and he needs to go so that we can still hopefully salvage something from the season.
I am making my yearly trip to Villa Park for the Swansea game, hopefully we will have a new man in charge by then
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The fucker should be sacked purely for wasting Jacks talent out on the wing, worst thing was against the bottom of the league, at 2.0 up you could see the implosion coming.
We are dull, defensive and boring, if we are dull, defensive, boring, and can’t hold on to a two goal lead against a shit team, what exactly does he bring to the party?
Coleslaw now, by all accounts.
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Well the only person I know to bring a cabbage to the game on a regular basis was the Werewolf so he is surely the prime suspect, however if he dons his bobby's helmet he may blend in with the fuzz swarming around Aston and interrogating greengrocers.
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Get rid of bruce tonight but how the fuck does a new manager do anything with our defence and keepers until january and that is without the problems of FFP because we aren't going up.
a new manager with a positive approach and the ability to organise a team would get a hell of a lot out of the players we have. but this clown has no idea whatsoever
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Look at the fat fucking coward here:
https://twitter.com/heartoftheholte/status/1047230315645820928?s=21
I’d rather have O’Leary back.
sorry m8 but 2 completely useless tossers wont help us
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One positive is our ability to get late goals to win or more usually rescue games which will hold us in good stead once we have a better manager and tougher fixtures.
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I haven’t read the thread. Has there been an explanation as to why Wheelan got the penalty takers job? I’d have had Bunn in front of him for the job.
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I'm not sure where to start with last night. I can't help thinking we would have coped better with the sending off had it not been Chester. I can't remember the last time we easily fell apart at a sending off. We shouldn't take anything away from Preston though, they deserved something on that second half showing. That said, they were all over us in that second half and we hardly attacked apart from the last 5 minutes. That in itself was bad enough.
I can't see Bruce surviving that chaos. He should be let go, for his sake and for ours.
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I haven’t read the thread. Has there been an explanation as to why Wheelan got the penalty takers job? I’d have had Bunn in front of him for the job.
I'd definitely have Whelan in goal ahead of that clown Bunn.
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I feel sorry for the person who not only had to suffer that game, but also return home to tell his Mrs that he's lost their dinner.
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Fair play to the security bloke on the gate. Failing to spot a cabbage up someone's jumper is some going.
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Cabbagegate. On the Beeb. Apparently it was thrown before we equalised. This has upset Stevie.
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Fair play to the security bloke on the gate. Failing to spot a cabbage up someone's jumper is some going.
You are assuming it was UP his jumper!!
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Fair play to the security bloke on the gate. Failing to spot a cabbage up someone's jumper is some going.
Who said it was up their jumper? The offender may just be out of Winson Green, where three piece settees can be concealed up certain orifices these days. Apparently.
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Fair play to the security bloke on the gate. Failing to spot a cabbage up someone's jumper is some going.
Who said it was up their jumper? The offender may just be out of Winson Green, where three piece settees can be concealed up certain orifices these days. Apparently.
True. It may have been under his hat.
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I haven’t read the thread. Has there been an explanation as to why Wheelan got the penalty takers job? I’d have had Bunn in front of him for the job.
Bruce said whelan as most senior pro stepped up to take it. And that the 2 designated penalty takers Kodjia and Abraham were off the pitch.
Of course this illustrates the lack of organization on having known penalty takers on the pitch .
A more organized manager and squad would be super prepared in case of eventuality.
The 3 players sub all can take a pen.
Okay doesn't mean leave players on in case we get a penalty however it does mean who ever on pitch needs to be known who would be the pen , corner, free kick taker .
Bolaise was up for taking it but it seems that the most experience player of Whelan wanted to take it .
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They were all over us before the penalty. A goal was likely coming.
What was said at half time is bemuisng. Why we're we defending our 18 yard box against that dross?
Taking off your target man. Then taking off the other striker (who played well first half) when, unsurprisngly, he couldn't hold the ball up.
Leaving Grealish wide and on the pitch. Playing players out of position. The absolutely aimless approach. The 2nd goal being so obvious with the free headers that were being missed.
Absolutely, desperate. Mind boggling and ultimately the end of Bruce. Silver lining.
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Just disgraceful.
Surely the owners/CEO can see the way the fans have turned and need to take action now. There is no excuse now.
The team with all the talent we have at it's disposal is a complete shambles. With the right manager we should be pissing this league with the talent at our disposal.
Lest said about the shambles of the game the better.
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Bruce said on Talkshite that 'he deserves more respect from the fans for getting Villa to the play off final last season'. He needed to add 'where I also failed to get a tune out of the team and turned in a completely negative performance and deserved to lose'. Some sensible fans on Talkshite for once. Other than some Leedz wanker on right now.
Did he really? Well respect has to be earned. While he did have our respect for a good while he has completely lost that now and it's entirely his own fault. Nearly every presser this year has been a total pisstake out of us fans. He's twisted facts, he's spun the truth and he's flat out lied on occasions. Does he think those press conferences are just a cosy chat between himself and his chums in the media? Does he not realise that the fans get to hear them too? "I deserve respect from the fans" No you don't. Just fuck off Steve. The only way he will gain any respect from the fans now is if he resigns and wishes us success in the future. But he won't do that will he? Not when he can steal even more money from AVFC. He's just a fraud caught in a footballing timewarp.
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I have no real problem with Wheelan taking the penalty. Our designated takers were off the field and as the senior pro he took the responsibility. Obviously I have a problem with how he took it, but even the best players miss sometimes.
I don't have a problem with Bruce not watching the penalty. Some managers do, others don't. It makes no difference.
I don't have a huge problem with Bruce bringing Abraham off first. He was carrying an injury, had to have a fitness test before the game and was limping heavily a few minutes before he was subbed. We needed to go down to one striker so I could understand the choice.
I thought the Bolasie sub was brave and decent thinking. Kodjia wasn't impacting on the game and Bolasie gave them something else to think about.
With all of that said, I thought we were pretty pedestrian even in the first half against the poorest team I can recall seeing. We were awful at the start of the second half and a complete joke once we went down to 10 men. Why do we find it so hard to play against 10 men, yet other teams make it look so easy against us?
The fact we finished the game with 4 right backs and our third choice keeper just shows how poor our planning has been over the summer. I can't recall seeing such an unbalanced and poorly drilled team.
We are an absolute laughing stock and I can see no reason why he shouldn't be sacked today.
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I have no real problem with Wheelan taking the penalty. Our designated takers were off the field and as the senior pro he took the responsibility. Obviously I have a problem with how he took it, but even the best players miss sometimes.
I don't have a problem with Bruce not watching the penalty. Some managers do, others don't. It makes no difference.
I don't have a huge problem with Bruce bringing Abraham off first. He was carrying an injury, had to have a fitness test before the game and was limping heavily a few minutes before he was subbed. We needed to go down to one striker so I could understand the choice.
I thought the Bolasie sub was brave and decent thinking. Kodjia wasn't impacting on the game and Bolasie gave them something else to think about.
With all of that said, I thought we were pretty pedestrian even in the first half against the poorest team I can recall seeing. We were awful at the start of the second half and a complete joke once we went down to 10 men. Why do we find it so hard to play against 10 men, yet other teams make it look so easy against us?
The fact we finished the game with 4 right backs and our third choice keeper just shows how poor our planning has been over the summer. I can't recall seeing such an unbalanced and poorly drilled team.
We are an absolute laughing stock and I can see no reason why he shouldn't be sacked today.
FFP?
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This FFP business and paying him off.
If he is on a rolling 12 month contract and ssck him, doesn’t that mean we would pay him 12 months salary as compensation?
If things were going ok and he was still our manger for the next 12 months, wouldn’t we be paying him the same as a salary.
How are we breaching FFP by giving him in a lump sum, what we would be giving him anyway?
That said, why the fuck he deserves a payout for failing is another one of those football related mysteries.
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Take the bullet. I'm sorry but how keeping Bruce and finishing absolutely nowhere and suffering long term damage morale wise as a fan base and the doubt it would cause towards the ownerships direction is just not worth it. I can't see how we are going to pass FFP the end of the season anyway, we are nowhere near the profit we need to make to balance the last 2 years losses.
If we go the entire season with Bruce in charge around 14th place people will immediately lose faith in the direction of the club and the distance between the clubs fans and management will be a chasm. Nothing good can come of that.
Pay him off, take the hit and move on towards something more positive. Long term this is damaging us. Fans at the end of their tether, expecting the worst from minute 1, fans smuggling in vegetables to throw at a manager, staff arguing with fans. It's all negative and it can only get worse. No one has faith in Steve Bruce, his staff and his methods anymore, he's reached his ceiling here.
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Sadly this side isn't going up even with a half competent manager. he's fucked up the defence, unbalanced the midfield and stuffed us full of loans. time to rebuild.
I agree 100%, the only saving grace is that there isn't a decent side in the division this year so any kind of decent run would take us into contention.
I don't agree with the narrative that we have a group of players that should smash this division. We have a hopelessly unbalanced squad with no keeper, defence or functioning midfield. We had a much better squad last season.
Not sure about the no decent side in this division argument.
Almost every side we face is super fit, well organized and aware of their own and our strengths and weaknesses.
For a man who obviously doesn't see fitness a major part of his own well being, I'm pretty sure it would not be high on the list of priorities for his players too. What the bloody hell goes on at BH daily is anyone's guess?
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Where's the leaders? There isn't a single fucking leader amongst any of the players either, they're not getting away scott free from this.
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Cant we pay the cabbage off with free kebab vouchers .
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Sums up Bruce that Whelan takes the penalty as he is the most experienced player. Surely the best penalty taker should get the nod.
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Sums up Bruce that Whelan takes the penalty as he is the most experienced player. Surely the best penalty taker should get the nod.
It was Whelan who wanted it, not Bruce's choice.
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Sums up Bruce that Whelan takes the penalty as he is the most experienced player. Surely the best penalty taker should get the nod.
It was Whelan who wanted it, not Bruce's choice.
Didn't say it was Bruce's choice. When the manager consistently goes with experience as he has. It's no surprise that when Whelan goes to take a penalty it is accepted.
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Sums up Bruce that Whelan takes the penalty as he is the most experienced player. Surely the best penalty taker should get the nod.
It was Whelan who wanted it, not Bruce's choice.
Didn't say it was Bruce's choice. When the manager consistently goes with experience as he has. It's no surprise that when Whelan goes to take a penalty it is accepted.
But i'm sure Whelan has been on the pitch before when we have had a penalty and he's not taken it. If Whelan has taken the ball off Bolasie which is what some people have suggested happened, then it's Whelan's fault.
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This FFP business and paying him off.
If he is on a rolling 12 month contract and ssck him, doesn’t that mean we would pay him 12 months salary as compensation?
If things were going ok and he was still our manger for the next 12 months, wouldn’t we be paying him the same as a salary.
How are we breaching FFP by giving him in a lump sum, what we would be giving him anyway?
That said, why the fuck he deserves a payout for failing is another one of those football related mysteries.
The cost for Bruce is the same, but we'd also have to hire and pay a new manager.
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How long does a cabbage take to grow? Perhaps it wasn’t sneaked in and was grown from a seed on the touchline?
Also strange behaviour from that lad who invaded the pitch to celebrate the opener..against Preston...on a Tuesday night, and then appeared to drop his trousers. Well worth a few years on the sex offenders register that.
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Sums up Bruce that Whelan takes the penalty as he is the most experienced player. Surely the best penalty taker should get the nod.
It was Whelan who wanted it, not Bruce's choice.
Didn't say it was Bruce's choice. When the manager consistently goes with experience as he has. It's no surprise that when Whelan goes to take a penalty it is accepted.
But i'm sure Whelan has been on the pitch before when we have had a penalty and he's not taken it. If Whelan has taken the ball off Bolasie which is what some people have suggested happened, then it's Whelan's fault.
That’s what happened. I don’t have a problem with Whelan taking responsibility, good on him, more of a problem with the manner he took it. Awful pen.
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It's everyone's fault for not checking with the manager and his for not forcing his opinion.
I couldn't see who took the armband when Chester went off, who was it? Because surely that's also his job.
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Hutton
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Look at the fat fucking coward here:
https://twitter.com/heartoftheholte/status/1047230315645820928?s=21
I’d rather have O’Leary back.
To be fair he never watches penalties.
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Hutton captain,fuck sake. There's no direction from anyone at the club.
This is where the ownership need to show some, take the reins and make something happen.
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I'm disappointed about the cabbage though, now it's on the Beeb and he's made a fuss about it, it's given the press and angle to be behind him and say it's fans playing up. They'll be trotting out an ex-Blues angle before the end of tomorrow mark my words.
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I'm disappointed about the cabbage though, now it's on the Beeb and he's made a fuss about it, it's given the press and angle to be behind him and say it's fans playing up. They'll be trotting out an ex-Blues angle before the end of tomorrow mark my words.
Whatever it takes to get rid of him. They can all blame me personally if it quickens his demise.
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It's no laughing matter - cabbages can be quite heavy, especially when they've been thrown down from the height of the Director's box.
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Sadly this side isn't going up even with a half competent manager. he's fucked up the defence, unbalanced the midfield and stuffed us full of loans. time to rebuild.
WBA are pretty crap at the back too but they have decided to just go for the we will score more than your approach ..attack is the best form of defence and thats how we need to play now ..untill Jan at least when we will have to sort out CB and possibly another keeper ...
while WBA may be below average defensively, they still have more than 1 and a half centre halves!. stats speak for themselves - we've let in 18. only preston have let in more
Before last night WBA had conceded 1 fewer goal than us. They also conceded twice v PNE with 11 men on Saturday. I agree with David Nab's point, our defence is poor so you tailor your gameplan around your attackers to score more and paper over the cracks, SB is simply incapable of this.
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Look at the fat fucking coward here:
https://twitter.com/heartoftheholte/status/1047230315645820928?s=21
I’d rather have O’Leary back.
To be fair he never watches penalties.
The word coward is chucked about far too much on here. Some managers watch penalties, others don't. It means fuck all.
Bruce may be doing a poor job and it's certainly time for a change, but there's no need to throw these sorts of insults at him.
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It's no laughing matter - cabbages can be quite heavy, especially when they've been thrown down from the height of the Director's box.
Applause 👏👏
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Interesting thinking about all the chaos PNE caused v our 10. When Fulham went down to 10 for last 20 minutes in the play off final SB wants us to gratefully thank him for, I don't think we had a shot on target or even a corner.
PNE could've easily scored 4 or 5 in that spell. Look at all the free headers from crosses they wasted.
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This FFP business and paying him off.
If he is on a rolling 12 month contract and ssck him, doesn’t that mean we would pay him 12 months salary as compensation?
If things were going ok and he was still our manger for the next 12 months, wouldn’t we be paying him the same as a salary.
How are we breaching FFP by giving him in a lump sum, what we would be giving him anyway?
That said, why the fuck he deserves a payout for failing is another one of those football related mysteries.
The cost for Bruce is the same, but we'd also have to hire and pay a new manager.
Allegedly paying 70k to Bolaise dosen't seem a big issue for us.
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A quick mention for Axel last night. I thought he had a decent game and tried to hold us together when we were under the cosh.
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True and he was the only one in the face of the ref with the red card.
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Why would anybody take a cabbage to a football match?
*insert obvious Agbonlahor joke here*
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There was one moment last night that summed up the team mentality for me.
Not long after he came on, Bolasie was just inside his own half on the DE stand side of the pitch.
I can’t recall if he got robbed of the ball but, he was within 5 feet of a Preston player who had possession and was dithering about who to pass to.
Bolasie, 5 feet away, just stood and watched.
He made no attempt to close down the player, to put him under pressure or to force him into a mistake. He just stood there and watched.
I know it sound a trivial thing, but for me it just epitomises the lack of professionalism some of our lot are showing.
£80k a week?!
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at least he scored and salvaged a point, but what the fuck Bruce thinks he's doing spending 100k a week on two wingers and not playing them is beyond reason.
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There's no way we are paying him £80k a week.
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Was it a cabbage or an iceberg lettuce?
Any greengrocers on here who can confirm?
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at least he scored and salvaged a point, but what the fuck Bruce thinks he's doing spending 100k a week on two wingers and not playing them is beyond reason.
Where on earth are people getting these figures from?
I've heard we're paying the two loan keepers who aren't better than our 4th choice keeper the same amount.
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Hutton was at fault for the 3 rd at the corner he never even got off ground or challenge lewis moult who came in with a determined header
And by the way I would like to see more determined headers and runs at the ball by Villa players from set pieces corners.
Yes Villa have scored allot of headers and set plays but where are the sort of goals when they really attack the ball like a Harry Maguire . Most of the time the ball is so good and accurate it (as well as awful defending) that it's a header in the goal rather than one of those attacking ones.
Can even argue Bjarnasson was in right place other day with his header but as Bruce was a player who scored a threatened from set plays like to see even more in both ends of the pitch.
Martin Laursen was a master at this and that's what we what.
JT and Jedinak excellent headers of the ball.
Hutton yesterday was the one at fault and it's not first time I see him not jump to clear a ball . Seemed to switch off.
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Sadly this side isn't going up even with a half competent manager. he's fucked up the defence, unbalanced the midfield and stuffed us full of loans. time to rebuild.
I agree 100%, the only saving grace is that there isn't a decent side in the division this year so any kind of decent run would take us into contention.
I don't agree with the narrative that we have a group of players that should smash this division. We have a hopelessly unbalanced squad with no keeper, defence or functioning midfield. We had a much better squad last season.
Not sure about the no decent side in this division argument.
Almost every side we face is super fit, well organized and aware of their own and our strengths and weaknesses.
For a man who obviously doesn't see fitness a major part of his own well being, I'm pretty sure it would not be high on the list of priorities for his players too. What the bloody hell goes on at BH daily is anyone's guess?
Joey Barton made a similar point regarding the poor state of fitness David Unsworth appeared to be in whilst being caretaker manager of Everton. I remember Jim White on Talksport arguing with Barton about it. On the subject of Talksport Alan Brazil was this morning trotting out all the stuff about Bruce getting us to the play off final, Bruce being a promotion specialist and the fact that if we had won we would have been level on points with Brentford and Swansea who are in the top six. I also heard an interview with Bruce and whilst I can't recall his exact words he seemed a lot less 'bullish' regarding his position and seemed to concede he may well lose his job. One or two of the Talksport a couple of pundits have also stopped sticking up for Bruce and conceded it may be time for change at the Villa. In that respect, today was probably the only time in his career he will ever be compared to Mourinho. The Bruce talk had an amusing conclusion when they were discussing the fact someone took a cabbage into the ground to use as a missile. It was pointed out that in Italy over the years a motor scooter, a wheelbarrow and a car door have all been thrown onto a pitch, so Bruce got off relatively lightly. Personally I think now is the time Bruce needs to go due to the international break and the fact he is now clearly a dead man walking (or stumbling to be more accurate).
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Interesting thinking about all the chaos PNE caused v our 10. When Fulham went down to 10 for last 20 minutes in the play off final SB wants us to gratefully thank him for, I don't think we had a shot on target or even a corner.
PNE could've easily scored 4 or 5 in that spell. Look at all the free headers from crosses they wasted.
He was bemoaning the fact we went down to ten after the game, yet earlier in the season he said how difficult it was to play against 10 men when we drew at Ipswich.
I said to my mate as we left Villa Park last night that after the penalty and the red card, we were the footballing equivalent of a boxer who gets caught and then retreats on to the ropes just trying to hang in. It showed again that Bruce just cannot adapt to changing circumstances in games.
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A quick mention for Axel last night. I thought he had a decent game and tried to hold us together when we were under the cosh.
Yep. I thought he had a pretty decent game last night as well and looked far more comfortable at CB. I also thought Kodjia and Abraham linked up well again at times in the first half.
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The silence emanating from the club this morning is deafening. I hope to God our new owners are busy behind the scenes lining up Bruce's immanent replacement - otherwise Millwall's gonna resemble one giant vegetable stall on Satdi. Pwoppa nawtee.
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We've been to Rotterdam and everywhere, Liverpool and Rome, but now we're throwing cabbages, cabbages at home...
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Interesting thinking about all the chaos PNE caused v our 10. When Fulham went down to 10 for last 20 minutes in the play off final SB wants us to gratefully thank him for, I don't think we had a shot on target or even a corner.
PNE could've easily scored 4 or 5 in that spell. Look at all the free headers from crosses they wasted.
He was bemoaning the fact we went down to ten after the game, yet earlier in the season he said how difficult it was to play against 10 men when we drew at Ipswich.
I said to my mate as we left Villa Park last night that after the penalty and the red card, we were the footballing equivalent of a boxer who gets caught and then retreats on to the ropes just trying to hang in. It showed again that Bruce just cannot adapt to changing circumstances in games.
Forgot about that, we barely had any shots v them and Ipswich went down to 10 men in the first half!
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We've been to Rotterdam and everywhere, Liverpool and Rome, but now we're throwing cabbages, cabbages at home...
This is very good indeed. 👍🏿
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They'll be trotting out an ex-Blues angle before the end of tomorrow mark my words.
Talkshite had Darren Bent on this morning (around 8.45) and he wittered on that as he lives in Birmingham he KNEW that once things went a bit tough that the villa fans would make it all ,about the fact he played and Managed Blues. I nearly crashed the car - what a load of unsubstantiated shite that gets peddled.
Chris Hughton - ex blues - would have him in a heartbeat
Gary Rowett - Ex Blues - and up to recently would have taken him over many
Garry Monk - Current Blues boss - doing a pretty decent job with a load of ragged arsed rangers, reports from people I know who are ST's say the football is great but they lack a goalscorer - they got a draw at Brentford (who some of us think are Barcelona) with 10 men - I would take him right now as well
You lazy fuckwits in the media its not about being ex Blues its about being shit - it just happens the 2 we have had have been the latter
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Any idea what sort of cabbage it was?
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We've been to Rotterdam and everywhere, Liverpool and Rome, but now we're throwing cabbages, cabbages at home...
This is very good indeed. 👍🏿
I concur
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Any idea what sort of cabbage it was?
Offending cabbage (taken from Birmingham Mail site)
(https://i2-prod.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article15229330.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_JS164425370.jpg)
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Why is it in a nightclub 'VIP' lounge?
Also, fuck me! White cabbage is dense and hard. Could have cracked a skull open. Tsk!
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It was thrown in a Tuesday Night fever.
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We've been to Rotterdam and everywhere, Liverpool and Rome, but now we're throwing cabbages, cabbages at home...
This is very good indeed. 👍🏿
Superb!
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We've been to Rotterdam and everywhere, Liverpool and Rome, but now we're throwing cabbages, cabbages at home...
This is very good indeed. 👍🏿
I concur
I can't take the praise for this, it was sent to me.
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Fair play to the security bloke on the gate. Failing to spot a cabbage up someone's jumper is some going.
So, it must have been an inside job then!
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Why is it in a nightclub 'VIP' lounge?
Also, fuck me! White cabbage is dense and hard. Could have cracked a skull open. Tsk!
Ha, that was my initial though!! Think it is on the track by the hoardings, next to a ball boy on closer inspection though.
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They'll be trotting out an ex-Blues angle before the end of tomorrow mark my words.
Talkshite had Darren Bent on this morning (around 8.45) and he wittered on that as he lives in Birmingham he KNEW that once things went a bit tough that the villa fans would make it all ,about the fact he played and Managed Blues. I nearly crashed the car - what a load of unsubstantiated shite that gets peddled.
Chris Hughton - ex blues - would have him in a heartbeat
Gary Rowett - Ex Blues - and up to recently would have taken him over many
Garry Monk - Current Blues boss - doing a pretty decent job with a load of ragged arsed rangers, reports from people I know who are ST's say the football is great but they lack a goalscorer - they got a draw at Brentford (who some of us think are Barcelona) with 10 men - I would take him right now as well
You lazy fuckwits in the media its not about being ex Blues its about being shit - it just happens the 2 we have had have been the latter
Can you imagine what Liverpool fans would say if during the course of about five years they appointed two different managers who had both been relegated whilst in charge of Everton? I doubt the fact that they had managed Everton would be their number one complaint.
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God bless Preston.
Pain is over, let's go and destroy Millwall.
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Are we sure that’s not a lettuce? Don’t cabbages have them white flowers on them?
Some of you might think it unimportant but it could affect my vote in the player of the season competition.