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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: not3bad on October 07, 2014, 11:13:36 PM
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It occurred to me that it was 140 years ago this month that Mr Scattergood and co. stood under a gas lamp and discussed the formation of the greatest team the world has ever seen.
Happy 140th Aston Villa.
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It occurred to me that it was 140 years ago this month that Mr Scattergood and co. stood under a gas lamp and discussed the formation of the greatest team the world has ever seen.
Happy 140th Aston Villa.
There's no proof of the date.
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It's not a particularly relevant date anyway. 150th is worth celebrating, 140 is just a number with a 0 on the end of it.
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^ Agreed, but what the hell I'm no kill joy. So Happy 140th Aston Villa anyway ;)
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Happy Birthday Aston Villa
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It's not a particularly relevant date anyway... 140 is just a number with a 0 on the end of it.
Just to be pedantic, so is 150
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<=== That's funny! I am 140 too.
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<=== That's funny! I am 140 too.
Happy birthday mate, have a good one
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<=== That's funny! I am 140 too.
It only seems like last year you were 139.
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It's not a particularly relevant date anyway... 140 is just a number with a 0 on the end of it.
Just to be pedantic, so is 150
Yes but it has a five in it too, so it's important!
Basically, if a cricketer raises his bat after getting to a number, it's important, if not, it isn't.
Yes I know I'm a big party-pooper!
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Oops, I thought this was going to be a thread about 7UP bringing out a twenty times stronger version of their pop.
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It's not a particularly relevant date anyway... 140 is just a number with a 0 on the end of it.
Just to be pedantic, so is 150
Yes but it has a five in it too, so it's important!
Basically, if a cricketer raises his bat after getting to a number, it's important, if not, it isn't.
Yes I know I'm a big party-pooper!
I used to raise my bat if I got a single run ;D
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It's not a particularly relevant date anyway... 140 is just a number with a 0 on the end of it.
Just to be pedantic, so is 150
Yes but it has a five in it too, so it's important!
Basically, if a cricketer raises his bat after getting to a number, it's important, if not, it isn't.
You might have some trouble explaining that if you get to your Diamond Wedding anniversary.
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Just explain to your wife that you've got your eye in and intend to play some shots. She will understand.
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It's not a particularly relevant date anyway... 140 is just a number with a 0 on the end of it.
Just to be pedantic, so is 150
Some of us can remember the 100th - but we are very unlikely to see the 200th!
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<=== That's funny! I am 140 too.
.....and you were also conceived under a gas lamp.
Uncanny.
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It's not a particularly relevant date anyway... 140 is just a number with a 0 on the end of it.
Just to be pedantic, so is 150
Yes but it has a five in it too, so it's important!
Basically, if a cricketer raises his bat after getting to a number, it's important, if not, it isn't.
You might have some trouble explaining that if you get to your Diamond Wedding anniversary.
I explain everything with cricket analogies. Then when she's looking confused, flee the room.
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It's not a particularly relevant date anyway... 140 is just a number with a 0 on the end of it.
Just to be pedantic, so is 150
Some of us can remember the 100th - but we are very unlikely to see the 200th!
I remember the 100th happy to celebrate 140 i may not be here for the 150th. Rangers celebrated 140 years to last year
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It's not a particularly relevant date anyway... 140 is just a number with a 0 on the end of it.
I used to raise more than my bat....
Just to be pedantic, so is 150
Yes but it has a five in it too, so it's important!
Basically, if a cricketer raises his bat after getting to a number, it's important, if not, it isn't.
Yes I know I'm a big party-pooper!
I used to raise my bat if I got a single run ;D
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Oops, I thought this was going to be a thread about 7UP bringing out a twenty times stronger version of their pop.
I thought it was about how long, thanks to increased life expectancy, that septennial documentary about the group of kids growing up will have to run for...
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Only just recovering from the magical 139 shindig!
;-)
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As I am turning 40 soon (shudder) I will wish the Villa Happy Birthday too, I don't want to think about turning 50 yet!
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A very Happy Birthday to my beloved Villa
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As I am turning 40 soon (shudder) I will wish the Villa Happy Birthday too, I don't want to think about turning 50 yet!
Seeing that you shudder at the thought of 40 and dont want to think about 50 makes me feel very old at 58 Left Side :)
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Happy birthday baby.
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Happy birthday Villa. the 4 most important people in our history and still no stands or statues in their honour.
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Happy birthday Villa. the 4 most important people in our history and still no stands or statues in their honour.
So why don't you do something about it?
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Do we know what they looked like? I don't think you can build statues otherwise.
I think the McGregor statue is nice enough. Too many more and it would diminish the aura around him, and look a bit cluttered. After all, every visiting club to Villa Park has founders. None of them have the founder of the Football League.
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Whilst not necessarily another statue, in another decade it would be fitting to mark the sesquicentenary with another piece of public art around Villa Park.
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As I am turning 40 soon (shudder) I will wish the Villa Happy Birthday too, I don't want to think about turning 50 yet!
Seeing that you shudder at the thought of 40 and dont want to think about 50 makes me feel very old at 58 Left Side :)
Thanks Steve, as long as we are all young at heart, right!
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Happy birthday Villa. the 4 most important people in our history and still no stands or statues in their honour.
So why don't you do something about it?
Like what? I haven't either the time or the energy to do something that should already be done.
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Happy birthday Villa. the 4 most important people in our history and still no stands or statues in their honour.
So why don't you do something about it?
Like what? I haven't either the time or the energy to do something that should already be done.
Why should it already be done? How many other clubs have memorials to their founders? I can think of a statue at Celtic and that's it.
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Happy birthday Villa. the 4 most important people in our history and still no stands or statues in their honour.
So why don't you do something about it?
Like what? I haven't either the time or the energy to do something that should already be done.
Why should it already be done? How many other clubs have memorials to their founders? I can think of a statue at Celtic and that's it.
because I think it should. I couldn't care less about what other clubs have or haven't got/done. These are the 4 greatest people in our history as it started with them and they should be more recognised.
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So everyone should drop everything for an idea that YOU think is good but can't be arsed to do anything about yourself? Ok.
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What an odd response.
I think that the 4 people that founded Villa should be recognised. i'm not asking anybody to do it as it should already be done. next time we have a stand to be named maybe it could be one of the ideas put forward.
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It's not that odd a response as you keep saying there should be statues to them, and seem a bit pissed off that there isn't, but have admitted you can't be arsed to try and and do anything about it.
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It is very odd that someone, and now 2 of you, is getting worked up over it. I said that we should already have something to honour the 4. I've now had 'you can't be arsed' (x2) and 'a bit pissed off' in response.
Now, again, there should already be something. I'm not going to start petitions, letters to the club, or the Evening mail but will retain the belief that there should already be something at the club. I'll try not to be arsey or pissed off about it but rather just state an opinion.
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Not that odd. You suggest that an action should be carried out, solely, because you think it should. You've also stated you're unwilling to do anything about it. The number of words you've already typed on the subject could easily have been framed into an email to the club clearly explaining your wishes if you felt so passionately about the issue.
The wording that it "should already be done" suggests that you believe the club has acted improperly by not having carried out your wishes previously, even though you haven't been arsed to tell the club said wishes. If discussing whether a club has acted improperly or not, it seems logical to compare their behaviour to that of other football clubs. As I said, I can only think of Celtic who have a lasting memorial to their founder. You dismiss this saying that you "couldn't care less".
Why should the club just know that they should've done this memorial if nobody suggested it to them and (virtually) none of their competitors have done anything similar? ESP?
Again, I don't think we need this memorial. We have a tribute to McGregor whose contribution to the whole of football is incomparable. Too many memorials/statues/renamed stands scattered about the place and it diminishes the significance of his statue, IMO.
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Blimey. I'm honoured by the length of your reply. Didn't read it all to be honest.
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Can't be arsed definitely seems to be a theme with you.
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saves me getting worked up pointlessly. I recommend it.
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Peter W telling someone off for getting worked up pointlessly! Wow.
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I'm too worked up to comment. I'm going to go and shake my fist angrily at someone i'm in that much of a tizzy.
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These last two pages should be distributed as an object lesson in trolling.
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Doesn't that only work when you're doing it on purpose?
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Doesn't that only work when you're doing it on purpose?
Yes.
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Well, I can take solace from the fact that if Peter was trolling us, you fell for it first!
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Or as someone having an opinion. not a big huge growing pulsating blood vessel bursting ear-rattling steam vent exploding raging against the machine do or die opinion, but an opinion. What I'll do to assuage the fist wavers amongst you is next time there is a stand to be named I'll suggest that our 4 founding fathers should get a name check somewhere.
Should have happened before Doug got his name on the stand possibly. Never mind. Next time.
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Couldn't be arsed reading all that.
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Couldn't be arsed reading all that.
tl;dr
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By the way, why is suggesting the 4 greatest people in our history, of course in my opinion, should have already been recognised is, to quote a defintion of an internet troll:
"In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response".
Seems the trolling has come elsewhere. Certainly not from me. You lot have certainly taken this thread down a very bizarre path.
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Or as someone having an opinion. not a big huge growing pulsating blood vessel bursting ear-rattling steam vent exploding raging against the machine do or die opinion, but an opinion. What I'll do to assuage the fist wavers amongst you is next time there is a stand to be named I'll suggest that our 4 founding fathers should get a name check somewhere.
Should have happened before Doug got his name on the stand possibly. Never mind. Next time.
Perhaps you might have been taken a bit more seriously if you hadn't followed up your "opinion" with a justification of "because I think it should," when asked what you intend to do about it indicated that you want someone else to do the work and finally came out with some idiocy about anyone who disagreed with you getting upset.
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Blimey. I'm honoured by the length of your reply. Didn't read it all to be honest.
Blimey. I'm honoured by the length of your reply. Didn't read it all to be honest.
I did read it. You didnt miss anything.
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By the way, why is suggesting the 4 greatest people in our history, of course in my opinion, should have already been recognised is, to quote a defintion of an internet troll:
"In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response".
Seems the trolling has come elsewhere. Certainly not from me. You lot have certainly taken this thread down a very bizarre path.
Okay, I'll allow you the courtesy of reading your whole post and reply.
The only reason you gave for that they should've been recognised, is that you thought they should.
You haven't told the club your thoughts on this matter. Not even sending an email which I guess would've taken far less time than all the posts you've made on the issue added to the time spent copying and pasting a definition of the word "troll" from the internet.
You are vaguely suggesting that the club have behaved improperly but seem uninterested, or unable to prove otherwise, when I suggest that 99% of clubs behave the same way.
To summarise: why should the club have recognised the four individuals mentioned with some sort of memorial, if virtually no other club has done likewise, and no fans have told them to do it?
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I don't to be taken seriously to justify an opinion. It's just that, an opinion. It's something that I'd like to happen and think should happen but will not be banging doors down to make it happen. I'm not sure why having an opinion is only worth it's weight if you are going to back it up with direct action. We can't all be amfy.
and it is everyone else being upset. 3 people are now continually going on about it when all I offered was an opinion. So for it's "arsed" "pissed-off" and "troll". I really can't see what you are all getting worked up about because I'm certainly not.
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I'm not worked up, I'm feeling like shit and this debate is proving a welcome distraction from the need to throw up, so I'm happy to drag it out for ages!
You just keep saying that action "should" have been taken, so again...
Why should the club have recognised the four individuals mentioned with some sort of memorial, if virtually no other club has done likewise, and no fans have told them to do it?
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I don't to be taken seriously to justify an opinion. It's just that, an opinion. It's something that I'd like to happen and think should happen but will not be banging doors down to make it happen. I'm not sure why having an opinion is only worth it's weight if you are going to back it up with direct action. We can't all be amfy.
and it is everyone else being upset. 3 people are now continually going on about it when all I offered was an opinion. So for it's "arsed" "pissed-off" and "troll". I really can't see what you are all getting worked up about because I'm certainly not.
I said "and seem a bit pissed off that there isn't". There is a difference. You could of course have said you weren't, like most people would have. Quite how that equates to being "worked up" i'm not too sure.
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I don't think anyone's getting worked up; I'm certainly not. I'm just looking for a reason beyond "because I say so" and a sign of some form of desire rather than one man sitting behind a computer complaining that somebody, anybody hasn't done exactly what he wants even though he has repeatedly said that he can't be bothered to do it himself.
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Why should Villa lower ticket prices if no other club has? Why should Villa have standing areas in the Prem if no other club has? Why should Villa honour our 4 founders if no other club has? Why would an opinion about villa have to take into consideration what other people of other clubs think before expressing it? It's Villa's birthday. Enjoy and celebrate the day 4 great gentleman bestowed this club upon us rather than looking to argue and spoil their big day. Chillax man, chillax.
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Complaining now. The list goes on. Oh, and my last post was in response to CD as I keep missing his post. But i'll leave it to you all now.
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Would I spoil things more if I said it probably wasn't Villa's birthday anyway?
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Would I spoil things more if I said it probably wasn't Villa's birthday anyway?
And that the four men in question - whose identities haven't been mentioned - aren't as important as someone seems to think?
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I wonder if the club will do a Yaya if we don't buy it a cake?
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What, score a brilliant goal at Villa Park?
I hope so.
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It's not a particularly relevant date anyway. 150th is worth celebrating, 140 is just a number with a 0 on the end of it.
well 100 is pretty significant and they say life begins at 40.... Maybe it's a sign of better things to come?
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A replica gas lamp outside the ground somewhere would be quite a nice idea I think. A nod to history without going down the full blown statue route.
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I quite like the idea of a statue of four blokes stood around a gas lamp somewhere outside Villa Park. No fuss or anything, no explanation. Just in the middle of the crowds. A bit like the postman in Porto:
(http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/67194/aim000204.jpg)
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Do we know the actual site where they first met to discuss forming a football club. I wouldn't mind a blue plaque going up.
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Do we know the actual site where they first met to discuss forming a football club. I wouldn't mind a blue plaque going up.
Somewhere on Heathfield Road.
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A replica gas lamp outside the ground somewhere would be quite a nice idea I think. A nod to history without going down the full blown statue route.
For added authenticity the club could employ four young men dressed in period clothing to stand under the gas lamp on match days with a group of young ragamuffins playing around them. Just so everyone knew why they were there two of them could be holding cricket bats and the other two playing keepy uppy with a real leather football.
Over time the whole area at the back of the Witton End could be transformed into the Aston Villa Theme Park.
With 'true to life' depictions of the clubs history in all it's glory.
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I quite like the piece of public art idea. I'd go for a painting of four shadowy gentleman standing under a Victorian gaslamp. To add some drama, we could have a cloaked figure with a dagger chasing a young lady in the background; an ancestor of the modern day Small Heath Alliance fans.
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next time there is a stand to be named I'll suggest that our 4 founding fathers should get a name check somewhere.
Or maybe just combine the four into one and name it The Admin Stand.
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A replica gas lamp outside the ground somewhere would be quite a nice idea I think. A nod to history without going down the full blown statue route.
For added authenticity the club could employ four young men dressed in period clothing to stand under the gas lamp on match days with a group of young ragamuffins playing around them. Just so everyone knew why they were there two of them could be holding cricket bats and the other two playing keepy uppy with a real leather football.
Over time the whole area at the back of the Witton End could be transformed into the Aston Villa Theme Park.
With 'true to life' depictions of the clubs history in all it's glory.
The four actors could be Okore, Bent, Cole and Lowton. Be good to get some use out of them.
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Weird thread. Three people, including two moderators, seem rather vociferous about peter w's post.
Sometimes people just have an opinion on something.
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Weird thread. Three people, including two moderators, seem rather vociferous about peter w's post.
Sometimes people just have an opinion on something.
And sometimes people disagree with them.
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By calling them a troll? Yes, that's how you disagree with someone. Anyway, I like the Risso/fibrai idea of a gas lamp and 4 blokes around it. In front of the Holte would be nice as there's quite a bit of space there. Would prefer in front of the Trinity but wouldn't want that area to become too cluttered.
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By calling them a troll? Yes, that's how you disagree with someone. Anyway, I like the Risso/fibrai idea of a gas lamp and 4 blokes around it. In front of the Holte would be nice as there's quite a bit of space there. Would prefer in front of the Trinity but wouldn't want that area to become too cluttered.
I like that idea too.
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By calling them a troll? Yes, that's how you disagree with someone. Anyway, I like the Risso/fibrai idea of a gas lamp and 4 blokes around it. In front of the Holte would be nice as there's quite a bit of space there. Would prefer in front of the Trinity but wouldn't want that area to become too cluttered.
I say again - why, where's the demand and what will you do to see this project finished?
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Weird thread. Three people, including two moderators, seem rather vociferous about peter w's post.
Sometimes people just have an opinion on something.
I agree with you bob.
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Weird thread. Three people, including two moderators,
You're on the wrong forum.
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I'm ashamed to say I actually know who the 4 founders are. What are their names?
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Hughes, Matthews. Price and Scattergood.
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I'm ashamed to say I actually know who the 4 founders are. What are their names?
Matthews, Hughes, Scattergood and Price. I would argue that in a wider context only Jack Hughes is of great significance and then only because he kept records which form the bulk of our early years knowledge.
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A replica gas lamp outside the ground somewhere would be quite a nice idea I think. A nod to history without going down the full blown statue route.
Like that.
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Slight tangent but I've always thought Rinder deserves more recognition than he gets.
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There could be a copper plate on the wall under the lamp with 4 heads in relief etched onto it (in caps) and the four names underneath. And... 'The great idea' underneath, with the address. And the date! (1874 would be fine)
I am very literal. It's not dead artistic but it does represent the magic moment.
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Slight tangent but I've always thought Rinder deserves more recognition than he gets.
I'd have him as the all-time number two behind Ramsay.
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There's no proof of the date.
Once again a meaningless discussion spoilt by facts'
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There could be a copper plate on the wall under the lamp with 4 heads in relief etched onto it (in caps) and the four names underneath. And... 'The great idea' underneath, with the address. And the date!
I am very literal. It's not dead artistic but it does represent the magic moment.
Villa Noir
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I was gonna suggest Ramsay. I reckon Rinder, Ramsay, McGregor and Hunter are the four most significant men in our early era. Not necessarily in that order.
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Devey wouldn't be far off either.
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Careful LouzieO.
If you cannot turn your lovely sounding copper plate idea in to reality over night, you will have sit on the dunking chair !
I prefer brass myself. Or maybe bronze .
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1890s is too late to be classed as "our early era". ;-)
He'd definitely be another of the stars of the club's opening decades though along with Spencer, Cowan, Athersmith and I've probably forgotten one or two.
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I've mentioned on occasions in the past that I would like the North Stand renamed the Ramsay-Rinder Stand.
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I think Coca-Cola Stand or Bet365 Stand is more likely!
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Brilliant managers, secretaries and villa luminaries are different from the romantic story of the beginnings of the club. Their achievements are a matter of record and I agree should be celebrated.
For that reason they should be separated. Maybe something that incorporates 3 lists for three centuries of achievement.
I want the lamp and some recognition of the beginning as well!
b23, are you really going for a chair? Not my first image I must say, more goalposts , spinning coin or centre circle if you're asking.
Thought copper would wear into green!
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Sadly Lou, we only have two centuries of achievement.
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No!
There's still 85 and a bit years to go!
Let's not lose the faith.
Or forget next gen!
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I promise not to forget NextGen if you remember the InterToto!
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It's a deal!
(God, I knew we'd got something else)
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Can't believe you both forgot the Peace Cup!
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Can't believe you both forgot the Peace Cup!
*Hangs head in shame*
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All we are saaaaaaay-ing
Is give Peace a chance
(http://e2.365dm.com/09/08/496x259/Aston-Villa-Peace-Cup_2343110.jpg?20090803070035)
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Legends, one and all.
Can't wait for the unveiling of Nigel Reo-Coker's long-awaited five-point contribution to the Birmingham Walk of Stars.
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Slight tangent but I've always thought Rinder deserves more recognition than he gets.
I'd have him as the all-time number two behind Ramsay.
I didn't realise till now that Ramsay won more FA Cups than any other manager and is second only to Ferguson in terms of league titles. Good trivia question for "new" football fans of other clubs.
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He wasn't manager though. McMullan was our first manager.
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He wasn't manager though. McMullan was our first manager.
Fuck that. He got mentioned by a commentator (along with his honours) during the Cup Final I think it was. He deserves it and so do we. We shouldn't deny our own mythology, nobody else does.
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He wasn't manager though. McMullan was our first manager.
Fuck that. He got mentioned by a commentator (along with his honours) during the Cup Final I think it was. He deserves it and so do we. We shouldn't deny our own mythology, nobody else does.
But it's not true. We don't need to make up our history - we're not Manchester.
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He wasn't manager though. McMullan was our first manager.
Fuck that. He got mentioned by a commentator (along with his honours) during the Cup Final I think it was. He deserves it and so do we. We shouldn't deny our own mythology, nobody else does.
Hear, hear! I'll also be spinning this fact to all and sundry by pointing out that Ramsay masterminded our successes without the help of Sky TV and financial doping - which makes him a million times the gaffer Fergie ever was.
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All we are saaaaaaay-ing
Is give Peace a chance
(http://e2.365dm.com/09/08/496x259/Aston-Villa-Peace-Cup_2343110.jpg?20090803070035)
Who is the chap at the front to NRC's left?
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Andrew Greaves
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Andrew Greaves
Of course it is ;-) Cheers.
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It's the 21st century folks, we don't want statues we want holograms and interactive 3D audio visual installations and a Bat Signal style sign in the sky above Villa Park. Plus a monkey in a fez.
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It's the 21st century folks, we don't want statues we want holograms and interactive 3D audio visual installations and a Bat Signal style sign in the sky above Villa Park. Plus a monkey in a fez.
They promised us jet-packs
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He wasn't manager though. McMullan was our first manager.
Fuck that. He got mentioned by a commentator (along with his honours) during the Cup Final I think it was. He deserves it and so do we. We shouldn't deny our own mythology, nobody else does.
Hear, hear! I'll also be spinning this fact to all and sundry by pointing out that Ramsay masterminded our successes without the help of Sky TV and financial doping - which makes him a million times the gaffer Fergie ever was.
We did have financial doping though, to an extent. Our stadium and attendances made us able to pay far better wages than many of our competitors.
We only stopped winning everything so regularly when they introduced the maximum wage in 1901.
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Weird thread. Three people, including two moderators,
You're on the wrong forum.
*applause*
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Rather than the four blokes under a gas lamp, we should put in place around the ground something to remind us of the Victorian era in which we were founded.
How about high unemployment, terrible schools, a lack of public services and a huge chasm between those who rule the country, and the ruled?
Ah, right you are.
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Rather than the four blokes under a gas lamp, we should put in place around the ground something to remind us of the Victorian era in which we were founded.
How about high unemployment, terrible schools, a lack of public services and a huge chasm between those who rule the country, and the ruled?
Ah, right you are.
We could employ a load of child actors with rickets to pick pockets outside the Holte
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Rather than the four blokes under a gas lamp, we should put in place around the ground something to remind us of the Victorian era in which we were founded.
How about high unemployment, terrible schools, a lack of public services and a huge chasm between those who rule the country, and the ruled?
Ah, right you are.
We could employ a load of child actors with rickets to pick pockets outside the Holte
No doubt the Noses would claim apart from using actors, we're just copying them.
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Rather than the four blokes under a gas lamp, we should put in place around the ground something to remind us of the Victorian era in which we were founded.
How about high unemployment, terrible schools, a lack of public services and a huge chasm between those who rule the country, and the ruled?
Ah, right you are.
We could employ a load of child actors with rickets to pick pockets outside the Holte
No doubt the Noses would claim apart from using actors, we're just copying them.
"The Villa fans don't even know the first thing about the workhouses or the Poor Law.
They all live in country manors miles outside the city of Birmingham, in places like Harborne."
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next time there is a stand to be named I'll suggest that our 4 founding fathers should get a name check somewhere.
Or maybe just combine the four into one and name it The Admin Stand.
Chuckles.
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By calling them a troll? Yes, that's how you disagree with someone. Anyway, I like the Risso/fibrai idea of a gas lamp and 4 blokes around it. In front of the Holte would be nice as there's quite a bit of space there. Would prefer in front of the Trinity but wouldn't want that area to become too cluttered.
I like that idea too.
So do I.
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He wasn't manager though. McMullan was our first manager.
Fuck that. He got mentioned by a commentator (along with his honours) during the Cup Final I think it was. He deserves it and so do we. We shouldn't deny our own mythology, nobody else does.
Hear, hear! I'll also be spinning this fact to all and sundry by pointing out that Ramsay masterminded our successes without the help of Sky TV and financial doping - which makes him a million times the gaffer Fergie ever was.
We did have financial doping though, to an extent. Our stadium and attendances made us able to pay far better wages than many of our competitors.
We only stopped winning everything so regularly when they introduced the maximum wage in 1901.
A fair point, though I'm sure I read somewhere that Villa weren't the biggest payers of the era (I think Liverpool and Wolves were).
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There are plenty of tributes to our founders around the ground - the words "Aston Villa" are everywhere.
Very few other clubs still play under the name given them by their founders. And no other club has such a fantastic name!
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Anyway, I like the Risso/fibrai idea of a gas lamp and 4 blokes around it. In front of the Holte would be nice as there's quite a bit of space there. Would prefer in front of the Trinity but wouldn't want that area to become too cluttered.
I like that idea too.
So do I.
So do I.
In copper.
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Anyway, I like the Risso/fibrai idea of a gas lamp and 4 blokes around it. In front of the Holte would be nice as there's quite a bit of space there. Would prefer in front of the Trinity but wouldn't want that area to become too cluttered.
I like that idea too.
So do I.
So do I.
In copper.
Excellent idea. Especially withTaroni's just up the road.
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Great idea.
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Stephen Ireland statue, in a recliner.
Or something.
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Looks like this idea has got legs. I'm not going to get in touch with the club immediately.
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Who'd've thought a Stephen Ireland suggestion would be so popular.
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So a gas lamp is being unveiled before the Southampton game
Will it be on the pitch, holding a scarf over its head?
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Legend has it that on November 21 1874, four members of the Wesleyan Chapel male adult bible class met under a gas lamp in Heathfield Road to form Aston Villa.
The four founding fathers of our club are believed to be Jack Hughes, William H Price, George Matthews and William H Scattergood.
140 years on, we were delighted to receive a letter from Villa fan David Rose from Sutton Coldfield about creating a lamp that could pay homage to that special moment in our club's history.
And - we liked the idea so much that the production process began almost immediately.
The lamp will be over three metres tall and set on a plinth with brass plates that tell the story of the foundation of the club.
As with the statue of William McGregor outside the Trinity Road Stand at Villa Park, David believes the lamp will act as a point of interest for fans young and old and a place for generations of fans to meet.
He said: "I'm very excited and honoured that the Founding Lamp is going ahead.
"The main idea behind the lamp was so parents could stand under the lamp and explain the heritage and meaning behind it to their children.
"It's something that's very close to my heart and I can't wait to see it at the Southampton game."
David will be helping the club unveil the lamp alongside descendants of Jack Hughes and William Scattergood prior to the Southampton game (7pm).
We are yet to track down descendants for the other two gentlemen but welcome any information that fans may have.
Please send to facebook@avfc.co.uk.
The unveiling is a public event and you are welcome to come down and watch.
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wish i'd thought of that. great idea. Randy will be up for it.
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A replica gas lamp outside the ground somewhere would be quite a nice idea I think. A nod to history without going down the full blown statue route.
I wonder if David robbed this?
/endcynicism
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Just noticed that. Who's this David Rose ****** so I can get my solicitors on the case!
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I've got your back Risso!
Although if you are reading this David, offer me a decent enough bribe and i'll delete Risso's posts and you can have the glory!
/strokescat
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*likes*
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There are plenty of tributes to our founders around the ground - the words "Aston Villa" are everywhere.
Very few other clubs still play under the name given them by their founders. And no other club has such a fantastic name!
Not on the badge though
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Looks like this idea has got legs. I'm not going to get in touch with the club immediately.
Great stuff Peter, I'm not behind you.
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I've got your back Risso!
Although if you are reading this David, offer me a decent enough bribe and i'll delete Risso's posts and you can have the glory!
/stroke scat
Whatever turns you on!
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I've got your back Risso!
Although if you are reading this David, offer me a decent enough bribe and i'll delete Risso's posts and you can have the glory!
/stroke scat
Whatever turns you on!
That was a shit joke.
/i'llgetmecoat
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