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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on January 29, 2014, 02:58:31 PM
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Wednesday 29.1.14 @9.30pm
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Get in there!
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BOOOOOM
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSS
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Get In !
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Filth: cleaned.
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Great fucking win. Superb.
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Yesssssssssssssssssssss- what a great win !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PHEW; relieved.
Our ball-retention is shocking.
Westwood is not the Man.
Sylla was a one-season wonder.
Benteke and Weimann have real class.
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Thank Christ for that. No nails left. We're not convincing. We have defenders that cant defend, defensive midfielders that cant defend but we look like we can score a goal or two. Very last season but 3 pts is all that matters tonight!
Oh yeh, fuck off WBA!
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Eric Claptout, Tony Godden, Richard Sneekers, John Wile, Denis Smith your boys took a helluva soft beating. Piss off back to the 2nd Tier - you have over stayed your welcome.
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Get the fuck in we needed that. The positives -
- Villa win
- Benteke scores again
- Great character to come back from 2-0 down
- Betrand, Delph and Weimann were great and Vlaar good in second half
Negatives
- Defence was shambolic
- Lowton is a complete liability defensively
- We still struggle to hold the ball when we really need it
Overall all though a very welcome win which gives us some breathing space.
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Thank feck for that. Well done lads for keeping the head when we went 2 down.
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That was exhausting to watch, Delph and Weimann must be knackered!
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I had to follow this on the phone as I was working late
Can someone briefly summarise how it went? Did we look good going forwards or was it all just mayhem? Were we lucky with penalty decisions?
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Three points but god, we really are poor at times. Thankfully the Albion are even worse.
Vlaar MOTM. Delph deserves a medal for having to work with Westwood and KEA. Fantastic goal.
Did we have a shot on target second half?
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Despite lavishing gift after ribbon-tied gift upon our unwashed opponents, all is right with the universe tonight.
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Massive win. Huge three points. Looking nice and comfortable all of a sudden. Great platform for the rest of the season.
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Much more like it. I kind of hoped for games like that this season, and they've finally delivered it. That was definitely, definitely, definitely not boring.
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Phew. Get the fuck in. If this time could learn to play from the first minute like their backs are to the wall they'd win lots of games. We've won games without Benteke, and now Gabby when he's starting to look like the brilliant Gabby thought we saw at the second half of last season. The atta ck is fine, when we need to do it. If we could sort the midfield out and get us pressing early doors (thanks Ron) we'd be a very good team.
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Slowly slowly my heart is getting back to normal, but why the fuk did we try to give them an equaliser.
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Can't wait for the trip to Everton.
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Phew !
Westwood and KEA need replacing.
2 days left to get it sorted.
Great win after a terrible start.
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2-0 and you fcuked it up (twice) 2-0 and you fcuked it up (twice) 2-0 and you fcuked it up (twice). We know who we are. Now fcuk off.
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Get in there lads what a win well done Villa especially after going 2-0 down what a comeback.
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I had to follow this on the phone as I was working late
Can someone briefly summarise how it went? Did we look good going forwards or was it all just mayhem? Were we lucky with penalty decisions?
We were good in places and showed good character, but Lowton and Westwood were terrible defensively and the Berahaino penalty decision was lucky.
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8 pts clear. Would have taken that when Gayle hit the net on Boxing Day. Fair play. Vlaar epitomises everything you want in a captain. Benteke should have had 4.
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That's how you win a derby. Boomshanka.
Weimann was bloody brilliant tonight.
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Incredibly similar scoring pattern to this. I was there.
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Get in!
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Enjoyable game, especially the first half. All action.
Second half we looked more solid. Vlaar was off kilter first half but rock solid second, which really made a difference for us. Bacuna looked better at right back than he did in the number 10 position (Despite his goal).
Benteke was unplayable. All game he gave their backline a torrid time. Won everything in the air. They couldn't handle him. Weimann was excellent. He ran himself into the ground and he's looked back to his best since the Arsenal game.
KEA, Westwood and Lowton all need replacing. They're just not good enough. Most of our problems stem from midfield. It's either not keeping the ball, and defensively offering little support to the backline. Buy good players and replace KEA and WW in the starting 11 and we'll look much better in retaining the ball and better defensively. No problems with Delphy. He's a good player in that box to box role and he looks more like scoring goals these days too.
Bertrand looked good again. I thought Holt played with a great deal of nous. He helped settle us a bit I feel. He won't pull up any trees here, but he'll help see out games and perhaps pick up the odd goal.
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Oh what a game - what a night - the glory of the villa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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8 pts clear. Would have taken that when Gayle hit the net on Boxing Day. Fair play. Vlaar epitomises everything you want in a captain. Benteke should have had 4.
This.
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It takes some doing to come back from 2-0 at home after 8 minutes. Especially as we all know how bad we've been. The lads could have gone into a shell but they didn't and every last players deserves credit tonight for putting in a shift. Naturally we don't want to start games from that position but tonight will build a lot of character in that dressing room. If we can bring in two players now with a bit of experience and guile then we will be so much better off for the balance of the season.
Well done Villa. Great comeback win
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Thoroughly enjoyed that, very fun game indeed. Nerve-wracking and all that at the end, but that's two very good games in a row from Villa, and I'm happy about that.
Entertaining and winning sure beats mind-numbingly dull and losing.
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Heh heh, that makes no sense but I agree.
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I had to follow this on the phone as I was working late
Can someone briefly summarise how it went?
Broadly speaking, it was like this.
*start*
OMG!
OMFG! What the fuck is going on?
GET IN THERE!
How the fuck did he manage to score from there?
WHAT A GOAL! WHAT A FUCKING GOAL!
Oh, FFS, shit defending, FFS Villa
They're all over us.
Penalty!
SCORES!
There now occurred several heart attacks, the odd stroke and at least one full-on nervous breakdown
*ends*
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I didn't really leave, it's just whenever I post on a match thread things suddenly go downhill so to trick the hoodoo I stated I was off. Worked a treat and well done Villa for getting 3 points but by christ do we make hard work of it.
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Fabian Delph. An absolute superb display that's deserving of a call up to play for his country.
Top, top player.
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I'd certainly suggest it is the friendliest Linux distro for most people, but am not sure it is ready for your average home user just yet.
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Absolutely remarkable game to be at yet some people are still moaning, the mind boggles.
Well done Villa
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Considering we are so shit scared of screwing the pooch at home, I think that will go a long way towards settling the nerves. Looks like the goal threat is back too, but then our defence falls apart. It has to be down to midfield balance.
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What a fantastic game, a couple of screamers, a couple of very lucky goals, a couple of goals from bad defending and an excellent penalty. Weimann was fantastic tonight, man of the match for me, ran himself into the ground, took his goal well and linked brilliantly with Benteke who is back to his imperious, unplayable best.
I won't comment on the defenders though.
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Unbelievable Pentekkers!
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Oh yeah Weimann is back to his lively threatening best and I don't think he should have been subbed.
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Just in case anyone does not know: Sky Sports 1 Football First-Match Choice 10.00pm. (And BBC1 MOTD 10.35pm.)
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It wasn't always pretty but this was certainly a game that provided plenty of entertainment at Villa Park, and not just for the away fans. If we can have more nights like this, things will be a lot more positive. I can't see us ever doing things the easy way, but as long as it's entertaining and not like some of the fuck awful drek we've seen this season at home, then I'll take it.
Our attackers are hitting form in good time. Now just hoping for some midfield quality to come in. We're close to being a good side, it's just the midriff that lets us down.
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When you look at the top 4 we've beaten two, should have beaten another but for a poor refereeing catalogue of errors, and destroyed a Liverpool team like no other team this for most of the first half last time around. A performance which wasn't given it's full due on the back of Rodgers's 'I got the formation wrong'. Yeah, but only because you thought we were there for the taking. It shows there was no forethought from them going into the game. We have looked good this season. And, unusually, it's been against the better teams. Whether their tactics were poor or not, we still had to go there and take advantage. Which we did. As well as probably any team in the league could. For that, I really don't think the team, and the midfield, were given enough credit.
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Not a night to be moaning about anything - lets savour the win and enjoy the moment - fantastic feeling !
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Oh yeah Weimann is back to his lively threatening best and I don't think he should have been subbed.
I'm not sure. He was dead on his feet at 60 minutes having worked his bollocks off. I do think however that we should have brought a wide man on for him to stretch them a bit.
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Didn't like the baker on sub, we aren't good enough to sit back...
I would have brought albrighton in, however we needed amother midfielder on in my opinion as thor appeared no midfield from either team.... Bench just didn't have the options!
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Pride of the Midlands? You're having a laugh!
Get in Villa
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Never in doubt
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Pride of the Midlands? You're having a laugh!
Get in Villa
Order well and truly restored. The gimps are back in their place.
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Just in case anyone does not know: Sky Sports 1 Football First-Match Choice 10.00pm. (And BBC1 MOTD 10.35pm.)
Anyone who hasn't watched this game then you must stay up and watch - it was a great advert for football.
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Phew !
Westwood and KEA need replacing.
2 days left to get it sorted.
Great win after a terrible start.
They are definitely the weak part of the team, KEA is useless, I'd rather play Sylla. We are crying out for decent midfielders to play alongside Delph.
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Great game. Credit to the Baggies their manager has them passing really well.
For us, Vlaar,Bertram,Delph,Bacuna,Weimann & Tekkers good. Lowton was terrible and Sylla poor.
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Best Baggies derby I've ever had the pleasure to witness. Get in!
Weimann, Delph, Benteke, Vlaar, Bertrand all absolutely superb.
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Didn't like the baker on sub, we aren't good enough to sit back...
I would have brought albrighton in, however we needed amother midfielder on in my opinion as thor appeared no midfield from either team.... Bench just didn't have the options!
It completely nullified them though after they had brought their attacking subs on. I think Lambert got the subs spot on. Am I also the only one who likes Westwood?
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Time to lie down in a darkened room and savour...
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Benteke is getting back to his best.
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Get the fuck in! I'm fucking drained. I love the Villa and tonight is why we go through this. UTV
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Sylla, Westwood and El-Ahmadi tonight were very poor. Unfortunately it's not an off day for any of them.
One fantastic thing to realise, though, is that we had eight outfield players that made up for their deficiencies in large part.
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Quite looking forward to Woodhall's article now
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Get the fuck in we needed that. The positives -
- Villa win
- Benteke scores again
- Great character to come back from 2-0 down
- Betrand, Delph and Weimann were great and Vlaar good in second half
Negatives
- Defence was shambolic
- Lowton is a complete liability defensively
- We still struggle to hold the ball when we really need it
Overall all though a very welcome win which gives us some breathing space.
Sums it up perfectly for me. I am really loosing patience with Lowton, his tackle on Anelka and marking (or not) Lugano was awful to watch. Weimann and Benteke were great, so was Vlaar in the second half. And Delph. And Bertrand is really good. KEA, Westwood, and Sylla - we can get better than that, a midfielder must be first priority. I am really pleased we finally beat them again. Great ! PS: I really dispise Olsson. Makes the Victory even sweeter :-)
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Not a night to be moaning about anything - lets savour the win and enjoy the moment - fantastic feeling !
Well said that man.
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Strange game, take the result. Just waiting for the Tesco bags to start sounding like the
noses with the injustice of losing a 2 goal lead. Well bollocks to em!!! UTV
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Credit to Lambert for excellent subs in the end. It might have killed off our attacking intent but it definitely killed of West Brom's, they didn't have a sniff in the last 20 minutes. We're now 5 points off Southampton in 9th and a good 3 point gap from the bottom half. Fantastic.
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Well done the Villa. Winning a derby, scoring four goals? I'll take that any day. Great stuff.
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Cannot ait to get home and watch it, get the fuck in there!!!! I'm exhausted now just checking the score at work!!
Wahoooo love ya AVFC!!!
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Credit to Lambert for excellent subs in the end. It might have killed off our attacking intent but it definitely killed of West Brom's, they didn't have a sniff in the last 20 minutes. We're now 5 points off Southampton in 9th and a good 3 point gap from the bottom half. Fantastic.
I don't know what match you were watching but Baggies' goal threat was not destroyed in the last twenty minutes - it's twenty of the pantshittiest minutes I've spent in my life!
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Phew !
Westwood and KEA need replacing.
2 days left to get it sorted.
Great win after a terrible start.
They are definitely the weak part of the team, KEA is useless, I'd rather play Sylla. We are crying out for decent midfielders to play alongside Delph.
Sylla was worse to be honest and he didnt have the excuse KEA had that he had been pressing all game.
But yeah, outside out delph our midfield is really light.
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Oh, and 3 goals at home in the first half ! And a home Victory ! :-)
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Sod the performance, derby games are about winning and we did that. You rarely get faultless displays in these matches so I'm not going to pick out performances as it's pointless. Enjoy the moment, enjoy talking to any of their fans and enjoy the fact that a game at VP was entertaining. Amen.
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And not even small heath fans are as big a bunch of twats at thr Bitters. Sad bastards. Not a peep from them when they weren't winning, charging towards Villa fans when they did score. Complete and utter bunch of wankers.
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Too negative with the subs imho .KEA tires after 60 mins, he played well 1st half.Bertrand has been a good signing, and i think we look better with Bacuna at RB. Delph had a reasonable game, not a fan of Westwood, Andi was very good tonight, and the Beast was magnificent.
Sat too deep 2nd half, to be fair to the midfielders , they had no options when they had the ball, the 2 FBs dropped back and stopped supporting, so we had no width.A good midfielder, and we are a top 10 team.
Vlaar MOM.
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7 goals, exciting match, we won, go up into the top half again and Matt Murray on Sky Sports reckoned that Villa defended very well to close off opportunities to WB in the second half, whilst Benteke, Delph, Vlaar and when he returns, Agbonlahor will keep us up there. Exactly what was needed at home.
Looking forward to MOTD!
Respect to all who went, it was a filthy night!
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1983 revisited ,well done villa
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When you look at the top 4 we've beaten two, should have beaten another but for a poor refereeing catalogue of errors, and destroyed a Liverpool team like no other team this for most of the first half last time around. A performance which wasn't given it's full due on the back of Rodgers's 'I got the formation wrong'. Yeah, but only because you thought we were there for the taking. It shows there was no forethought from them going into the game. We have looked good this season. And, unusually, it's been against the better teams. Whether their tactics were poor or not, we still had to go there and take advantage. Which we did. As well as probably any team in the league could. For that, I really don't think the team, and the midfield, were given enough credit.
It is a valid point. We need those 2-3 players that can unlock the sides that park the bus at VP.
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Oh and special mention for Andi. I've criticised him a fair bit but he was much improved tonight.
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Oh and special mention for Andi. I've criticised him a fair bit but he was much improved tonight.
I think Benteke scoring again or at least playing in the manner that they all know he can has given everyone a huge boost. He ran around like a nut tonight. Fair play to him for picking up his game.
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Great result after 2 early setbacks
Lowton though dear god he is as bad as Luna now and midfield bar Delph where so poor in possession.Bacuna behind strikers was not tha successful though of course he did finish coolly.Bertrand is a big step up from Luna good signing.
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So, do we become tighter, as we all wanted, I think, or just accept that we're a 4-3 team and carrying on playing harem scarem but with players becoming more experienced and therefore better at winning games 3-2, 4-3 etc?
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My grandfather hated the Albion. Small Heath did not even exist in his estimation. The Albion were our real enemy. Yardley cemetery will have been rocking tonight.
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What fun. Reminds me of when we beat them a few years ago 2-1. Tony Mowbray said after the game 'If they are Top 6 then we'll be fine this season'. We finished 6th and they were relegated.
W@nkers.
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And not even small heath fans are as big a bunch of twats at thr Bitters. Sad bastards. Not a peep from them when they weren't winning, charging towards Villa fans when they did score. Complete and utter bunch of wankers.
After 35 years experience I have to disagree. The bitters are sad. Very sad. The noses are even sadder, the saddest in fact and more violent
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Really don't see the pessimism for Lowton, again another assist and remember the formation used did expose the full backs as our midfielders were very tucked in. Lay off!
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Personally I don't think Westwood played badly, got bullied by Mulumbu a couple of times but I thought he directed play pretty well in general. KEA and Sylla were very poor though.
I don't know what to think about Lowton, I thought he gave us a really useful option on the ball and I thought he defended fine for 95% of the time but 2-3 times he just switched off, letting Lugano run free from the free kick being the worst error, I don't know how at fault he was in the anelka thing though, to me they both seemed to slip because Anelka took the ball 2footed as well. I think the ref was right not to give anything if I'm honest.
Olsson was very lucky with the ref in my opinion, 3-4 times he was right in his face and could've been booked, he got one eventually but I'd have booked him for it much sooner.
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Ubuntu could make a real difference if they keep improving.
I think that's one of my favourite posts ever on H&V.
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My grandfather hated the Albion. Small Heath did not even exist in his estimation. The Albion were our real enemy. Yardley cemetery will have been rocking tonight.
Are we related?
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And not even small heath fans are as big a bunch of twats at thr Bitters. Sad bastards. Not a peep from them when they weren't winning, charging towards Villa fans when they did score. Complete and utter bunch of wankers.
After 35 years experience I have to disagree. The bitters are sad. Very sad. The noses are even sadder, the saddest in fact and more violent
Agreed. Baggies have this notion that they are a wonderful footballing club. The noses exist to hate us.
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And not even small heath fans are as big a bunch of twats at thr Bitters. Sad bastards. Not a peep from them when they weren't winning, charging towards Villa fans when they did score. Complete and utter bunch of wankers.
After 35 years experience I have to disagree. The bitters are sad. Very sad. The noses are even sadder, the saddest in fact and more violent
It went off twice before the game tonight. Bad as I've seen at a Small Heath game for ages.
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Probably. My mom told me her dad always went out with his mate when they wanted a fight with the Albion. That is probably the connection.
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Probably. My mom told me her dad always went out with his mate when they wanted a fight with the Albion. That is probably the connection.
My granddad was officially according to family legend a Villa supporter because he worked on the building of the Great Barr/Kingstanding estates in the thirties and would go to the match after finishing work on Saturdays. I prefer the version that it was because, being a boxer, there was never any shortage of sparring partners for a Villa supporter in Tipton.
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If I can continue with my dry Athlon through that then I can never drink again. To be honest it was like a Sunday league game at times. We were very direct and gave the ball away a lot. Vlaar, Benteke, Weimann & Bertrand were excellent, Lowton is just not good enough. But boy was it fantastic getting one over on those ******. Some of the Shit I heard from them in the pub was embarrassing..Get in Villa
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Did it kick off in the ground?
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Did it kick off in the ground?
It did outside, twice. A bit of handbags by the North Stand then apparently a serious, come to blows, one by the church.
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Maybe we need to give them a 3 goal head start next time?
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Did it kick off in the ground?
It did outside, twice. A bit of handbags by the North Stand then apparently a serious, come to blows, one by the church.
Before or after?
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Absolutely amazing, at half time I was this insane mix of nervous and excited.
I'm absolutely knackered from all of the orgasms I just had.
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Did it kick off in the ground?
It did outside, twice. A bit of handbags by the North Stand then apparently a serious, come to blows, one by the church.
Probably upset by getting beat by the real pride of the Midlands
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Great game. Credit to the Baggies their manager has them passing really well.
For us, Vlaar,Bertram,Delph,Bacuna,Weimann & Tekkers good. Lowton was terrible and Sylla poor.
Yes they passed it well but that high line that played, suicidal! I wish it her visiting teams played with a high line, it suits us great, it's like playing away for us.
Great match after so many dull home matches.
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A few had been nicked as I left the Lower North walking down Witton Lane. Twats were really playing up when they scored.
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And not even small heath fans are as big a bunch of twats at thr Bitters. Sad bastards. Not a peep from them when they weren't winning, charging towards Villa fans when they did score. Complete and utter bunch of wankers.
After 35 years experience I have to disagree. The bitters are sad. Very sad. The noses are even sadder, the saddest in fact and more violent
Agreed. Baggies have this notion that they are a wonderful footballing club. The noses exist to hate us.
When my old man moved to Brum he went to see all local clubs as he had done in London (Spuds with Blanchflower, Arse as they rebuilt, Hammers and Chelsea) when he had moved from Ireland. We were 3rd or 4th best at the time despite being the biggest.
He rarely says a bad word about any club. The only fans he has ever had a crossed word with was when some Scallies tried to steal a Leeds' familiy's tickets at 65 Cup Final. They failed.
I'll give you a clue of the other ones - '.. They have never cared about their own result. First and foremost they worry what happened to Villa and they will Never ever change even if they play from now until the end of time....
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Well, that's more like the last few months of last season that I wanted to see. Goals and entertainment.
Defensively we were poor and attacking we looked like we could score every time we went forward (especially first half).
We stopped attacking after the pen, which in my mind was wrong and a little more support for Holt and Benteke and we could've scored a 5th. Instead the midfielders didn't push on and we invited them on us.
Special mentions for Weimann, Vlaar and Bertrand who had good games.
I want to see more of this. Play to the, you score 3, we'll score 4 technique! Much more entertaining!
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Did it kick off in the ground?
It did outside, twice. A bit of handbags by the North Stand then apparently a serious, come to blows, one by the church.
Probably upset by getting beat by the real pride of the Midlands
We need to wear nor claim such label. It is a given fact most of the time. Leave the Luddites and the Bitters to claim the title one year or 2 every 3 decades
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I thought 2nd half they hoof it as much as we did
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Did it kick off in the ground?
It did outside, twice. A bit of handbags by the North Stand then apparently a serious, come to blows, one by the church.
Before or after?
Before.
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Well you can't sayit was boring.
Both defences shocking in the first half, we didn't half lack width at times. I used to quite rate that Olsson, I seem to be horribly wrong, he was woeful.
Good win but the subs highlighted our squads weakness, and I'm really not sure about the tactics for the last 20mins, sure we didn't concede but giving up so much territory made me very nervous, good job they were shite.
Great win but I still hope 2/3 new players arrive this week.
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My old lad hated the Albion with a passion too, mainly stemming from when they put the final nail in the coffin that relegated us in 1959 but, when it come to SHA he detested them. I said before that we lived in Sheldon so we went to watch them when we couldn't afford to travel away with the Villa.
He always insisted we stand in amongst them when all the sillies stood on the Tilton and continually took the piss out of them calling them all the one-eyed bastards under the sun and not hiding his support for whoever the opposition was. This continued throughout the game. Now my old man was a non-violent person and was also a little bloke but, I swear to God he was prepared to take every single last one of them on, I'm convinced that was what he wanted. The times I had to calm him down.
He never explained just why he hated them so much but believe me he hated them.
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Just got back from the local, just got my breath back.
Me and an Albion mate sat and watched the game together.
Great local derby, shite football, 2 great goals from Brunt and Delph and end to end.
Bloody hell, thank fuck for the three points. Magic.
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Another telling stat is that from tenth down only two teams have scored more goals than us Albion and Swansea). Also, from 10th down only two sides have conceded less than us (Hull and, surprisingly, Crystal Palace). But more importantly, from tenth downwards no-one has got more points than us. Right, *looks upwards and rubs hands* let's get Southampton.
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I thought that was Weimann's best performance for us tonight. If he played like that every game, he would be some player.
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Well it was a crap night weather wise walking up to VP. Got delayed parking up and arrived in my seat at 10 mins gone. So 4-1 for me! We are unplayable when we have to take do or die style. That's how it was towards the end of last season and that's what happened at 2-0 down. Play like that in every game Villa.
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It was really nice to have entertainment at Villa Park. For all the defensive errors it was an unbelievable game to watch. Oh and I cannot stand Jonas Olsson.
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Talking about defensive errors what the hell are Villa doing for Regis's goal in 1983?! Ridiculous.
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I chose not to watch the game as the last darts night that fell when Villa were playing I was at club for the first half. Got all the score updates as Tottenham - Man City was on. Plus there were enough people around giving me immediate updates when the Albion scored. Anyway, left at half-time and got home, flicked over and it was 4-3. Missus in double-take as I said, "no, turn it over". As I hadn't watched ant of it I didn't want to jinx us. two darts games, two Villa wins. For 7 Against 5. Come on.
Oh, and the full game is on again at midnight my time. (In 10 mins)
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If you didn't enjoy that. Well, fuck off!
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Not first on MotD, travesty. Lambert Out.
/s
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Mate of mine was there tonight, as he is every home game, with his son. This was the Q and A before the game and i quote
Son- " It's the Baggies tonight ?"
Dad-"Yeah."
Son- "Can i swear?"
Dad- " You can sing shit on the Baggies, but that's it."
"That's the way to bring 'em up, UTV."
Class of the highest order.
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2nd on MOTD, an improvement.
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2 things.
I hate Brunt. Really hate him.
And Lambert in the rain - McLaren take note.
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God Football eh? :)
I had an inkling something like this was in the air, predicted 4-2 in the pre match thread.
Getting the goal back so quickly was the case, great to see Weimann's now turned up for this season at long last.
How good did Lugano look playing for us asw......oh.
And how small time are the Albion fans, wtf was that conga at half time all about?!
Tonight was good.
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Ha, ha ha, ha ha mother fucking, ha!
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Pretty short highlights compared to Cit-eh.
Obviously there will be a Hansen 20 minute wankfest over Racist ****** and Friends later.
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Fuck me, what a goal by Fabian.
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Martin Keown - as a centre half I am offended re Lugano!
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Lugano - pillock.
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Fuck me, what a goal by Fabian.
Class goal.
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72mph from a grounded ball. Roberto Carlos would have been proud of that.
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TWEET TWEET!
Ron Vlaar
@RonVlaar4
Unbelievable win, what a crazy game. Great mentality shown today. This one is for the fans, we did it together! Great support! #utv #avfc
Jan. 29, 2014
Fair play to him,
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Lugano is so poor....we all saw this in the Everton game, all said he'd be a massive liability against our forwards (imagine Gabby playing tonight!) and yet Mel plays him with McAuely fit so suggests to me this Mel appointment for WBA isn't going to be a easy ride.
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I also think Guzan should've done better with the first. He should have gone with his left hand rather than his right. he would'vr saved this. His only minor failing, is this inability to use both hands when saving when diving in one particular direction. Still a great keeper, though, don't get me wrong.
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I am not sure who is worse. Lugano or Olsson. They must be the worst CB partnership in the League.
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I also think Guzan should've done better with the first. He should have gone with his left hand rather than his right. he would'vr saved this. His only minor failing, is this inability to use both hands when saving when diving in one particular direction. Still a great keeper, though, don't get me wrong.
Believe me it was a rocket with hardly any back lift. Can't blame Guzan one bit.
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I also think Guzan should've done better with the first. He should have gone with his left hand rather than his right. he would'vr saved this. His only minor failing, is this inability to use both hands when saving when diving in one particular direction. Still a great keeper, though, don't get me wrong.
Bloody good goal though mate.
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We are, at times, the proverbial cornered tiger.
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One real plus point this season is the amount of times we battle after going behind (not that it happens often!)
Another bonus, them twats singing we know what we are for 8 minutes before seeming to forget the words for the next 80. Wankers.
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Great finish Weimann. Top quality.
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Did it kick off in the ground?
It did outside, twice. A bit of handbags by the North Stand then apparently a serious, come to blows, one by the church.
Before or after?
Before.
I saw nothing untowards.
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It was after that I saw some getting nicked.
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Great finish Weimann. Top quality.
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It was I was arguing with an Albion fan who said it was offside the knob head
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Villa Park was buzzing tonight, not the first time we have come back from two goals down against the Tesco bags.
Delph and Andi were superb, also I thought at the time when Holt come on for Lowton it was a strange substitution but the big man held the ball up well and was composed when others were hoofing it up the pitch.
Massive three points and well deserved.
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Goals (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1akocv_aston-villa-4-3-west-bromwich-albion-all-goals_sport?)
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Has to be said, at 2-1 down we keep the ball well. When Albion nick it back we go straight back at them, get the ball and start an attack. In microcosms this is impressive.
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I wonder what Holt would be like in central defence. Not the quickest, but he's composed enough.
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Not a great deal of quality on show, but what a game! The look on the faces of the Albion fans on Witton Lane after the game were priceless. Thought Delph was fantastic and deserved MoM for me. Hate to grumble after such a win, but I lost count of the number of times Westwood, Bacuna, El Ahmadi, Lowton and Clark gave the ball away between them.
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I wonder what Holt would be like in central defence. Not the quickest, but he's composed enough.
Good point that.
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Could have gone either way second half,and they did have a fair share of passing possession. Then starting lumping it - bread & butter for Vlaar.
Fuck off you small time wankers-pride of the midlands my arse.
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At Lye so will be through the doors of home in ten minutes. They can still fuck right off.
I cannot stop grinning.
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Keown on MOTD mostly blaming / crediting Lugano for aiding Villa. Hansen pointing out that Villa were amazing to come back from 2 down in 9 minutes.
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Fully deserved our second.
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I notice Neil Moxley in the Mail is referring to it as a "controversial penalty".
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Keown on MOTD mostly blaming / crediting Lugano for aiding Villa. Hansen pointing out that Villa were amazing to come back from 2 down in 9 minutes.
Watching the highlights, I thought we were absolutely excellent from their second to Mulumbu's equaliser.
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Our 2nd was all down to Lowton, bust a gut to get up in support and then put a perfect ball in when it broke for him.
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and really should have been 4-2 going into HT.
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I wonder what Holt would be like in central defence. Not the quickest, but he's composed enough.
Good point that.
Can you imagine the reaction on here if Lambert put Holt anywhere near our defence?
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Holt wouldn't be afraid of anything that's for sure.
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I listened to 5 live in the second half just to keep up with the other scores...my word Pat Murphy is just an Albion arse licker.
Tbh Benteke slots his chance away and it's 4-2 going in half time and I think we'd have comfortably (for us) seen off the 2nd half but they go straight up the pitch and Mulumbu scores.
Then obviously it turned on the lugano missed. That was all Albion created in the second half bar that free header at the end although we didn't create much either. Still after the first half the 22 players were excused a breather!
Fair play on Vlaar aswell, he's starting to look like a proper villa centre half. I really thought he'd be subbed at half time as he seemed to be injured after the third WBA goal. Was certainly struggling at the end, probably why we put Baker on to give us some more legs at the back.
Hope he's o.k for Everton.
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Keown on MOTD mostly blaming / crediting Lugano for aiding Villa. Hansen pointing out that Villa were amazing to come back from 2 down in 9 minutes.
Watching the highlights, I thought we were absolutely excellent from their second to Mulumbu's equaliser.
Agree fully. 30 mins gone for me and we're looking very good.
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Thank you Aston Villa Football Club. Fecking great result!!
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Phew! That was some match and I'm still out of breath. Nothing to add, I'm just happy to have won the game and send those horrible Neanderthal yam yams back to the land that time forgot.
Well done Villa!
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Wow. 3-2. Effing wow.
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Especially as it was 4-3.
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I listened to 5 live in the second half just to keep up with the other scores...my word Pat Murphy is just an Albion arse licker.
Yes he is. Even whining away on Twitter about how WBA are "grown ups" because they will speak to the press even when they lose.
Fucking wanker.
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I listened to 5 live in the second half just to keep up with the other scores...my word Pat Murphy is just an Albion arse licker.
Yes he is. Even whining away on Twitter about how WBA are "grown ups" because they will speak to the press even when they lose.
Fucking wanker.
If they didn't you'd hardly ever hear from them over the last 13 months.
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Did it kick off in the ground?
It did outside, twice. A bit of handbags by the North Stand then apparently a serious, come to blows, one by the church.
Before or after?
Before.
I saw nothing untowards.
When we were going into P8, next to the away turnstiles where there was a long queue, a police 4x4 was patrolling when suddenly he put on the blues and twos and the occupants jumped out and ran past the Albion queue. This was just before 7.40 pm.
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Links to MOTD would be appreciated lads, missed it. Was at the game so would like to see what they're saying on there.
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I was wondering on the way out how WM were going to report this. The better side lost? Albion had to play against the Ref? Villa still relegation candidates?
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3-3 now. Poor. Too easy to pass around, and through, our defence.
Keep up lee.
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Dunno how quick it hits iplayer but will be on there.
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Did it kick off in the ground?
It did outside, twice. A bit of handbags by the North Stand then apparently a serious, come to blows, one by the church.
Before or after?
Before.
I saw nothing untowards.
Large mob of Albion being escorted down Witton Lane, from Aston, about 5 mins after the kick off, I have heard. No Police or stewards between the two sets of fans in the Witton End corner, even at 0-2, because all the Police were still dealing with them outside. 12 cell meat wagon still waiting to be loaded up 45 mins after the game. Not often we see that.
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I listened to 5 live in the second half just to keep up with the other scores...my word Pat Murphy is just an Albion arse licker.
Yes he is. Even whining away on Twitter about how WBA are "grown ups" because they will speak to the press even when they lose.
Fucking wanker.
If they didn't you'd hardly ever hear from them over the last 13 months.
Based on the interview with PL by Murphy after the games, there is no love lost there. Lambert very spikey and Murphy defensive
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I was referring to the 'come to blows' incident outside the church where Kurtis and I were selling.
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I listened to 5 live in the second half just to keep up with the other scores...my word Pat Murphy is just an Albion arse licker.
Yes he is. Even whining away on Twitter about how WBA are "grown ups" because they will speak to the press even when they lose.
Fucking wanker.
If they didn't you'd hardly ever hear from them over the last 13 months.
Boom!
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Sylla, Westwood and El-Ahmadi tonight were very poor. Unfortunately it's not an off day for any of them.
One fantastic thing to realise, though, is that we had eight outfield players that made up for their deficiencies in large part.
Bang on. To many times to count did the paid off them stand and let wba pad the ball in front of them and not to mention the amount of times they both lost 50/50's
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Any comments from Lambert on transfers?
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I listened to 5 live in the second half just to keep up with the other scores...my word Pat Murphy is just an Albion arse licker.
Yes he is. Even whining away on Twitter about how WBA are "grown ups" because they will speak to the press even when they lose.
Fucking wanker.
If they didn't you'd hardly ever hear from them over the last 13 months.
Based on the interview with PL by Murphy after the games, there is no love lost there. Lambert very spikey and Murphy defensive
Lambert has Murphy's number.
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2-0 and you fcuked it up (twice) 2-0 and you fcuked it up (twice) 2-0 and you fcuked it up (twice). We know who we are. Now fcuk off.
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Any comments from Lambert on transfers?
Something about him still trying to 'look at' fifteen options and that he hadn't heard we're in for Holtby. Whenever he says that, it sounds like somebody else sorts the transfers for him.
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Just got back. Typical derby, tricky conditions, neither team kept the ball well. We missed Gabby. Weimann was excellent tonight but we need a strong midfielder and another CB. Also, we need to think of other ways fwd rather than long balls to Benteke.
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I notice Neil Moxley in the Mail is referring to it as a "controversial penalty".
Shay Given on 5Live laughed and said "as a Villa fan it is a stonewall pen". Much mirth ensued and then he said it was "generous"
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2-0 and they Fu***d it up twice lol UTV
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Just got back,well what a game nails have gone. Really didn't think we get back into this after the start we had but credit to the boys,played really well to get into the lead,the defending for there 3rd goal was terrible. Didn't really play great in the second half but got the win which is all that matters. C'mon!!!!!!!
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Hated the first ten minutes. Loved the rest of it (apart from their equaliser). They were very quiet on the train back.
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When its you, there's nothing better than a comeback is there?
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I notice Neil Moxley in the Mail is referring to it as a "controversial penalty".
Shay Given on 5Live laughed and said "as a Villa fan it is a stonewall pen". Much mirth ensued and then he said it was "generous"
It was generous. Would have been fuming if given the other way
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I notice Neil Moxley in the Mail is referring to it as a "controversial penalty".
Shay Given on 5Live laughed and said "as a Villa fan it is a stonewall pen". Much mirth ensued and then he said it was "generous"
It was generous. Would have been fuming if given the other way
Nowhere in the laws of association football does it say that placing a player in a headlock is not a foul.
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For me the pen is quite soft but it's part of the modern game. We've had it against us this season. They couldn't handle Benteke. All Laguno could do was bundle Benteke down. A defender shouldn't make that sort of challenge because it's only gonna go one way.
In todays game it's pretty much stone wall.
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As for West Brom's premature chant when it was 0-2 early on, yes Albion..."We know what you are!!"
And how small time is that - being pride of the midlands means mostly nothing to us but is a big deal for them.
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I thought it was a penalty all day. Their defender didn't make any attempt for the ball, but more like an attempt for Benteke's neck.
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Just got back. Typical derby, tricky conditions, neither team kept the ball well. We missed Gabby. Weimann was excellent tonight but we need a strong midfielder and another CB. Also, we need to think of other ways fwd rather than long balls to Benteke.
Re Beneteke, would normally agree with you. But he won everything tonight and that tactic really paid off especially the first half
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As for West Brom's premature chant when it was 0-2 early on, yes Albion..."We know what you are!!"
And how small time is that - being pride of the midlands means mostly nothing to us but is a big deal for them.
You need to feel for them Charlie.
They've just lost their Champions' League Final! ;-)
UTV!
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Very true, Frankie. The insignificant, small time wankers.
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I've missed the last 3 home games because basically my left knee been fukced since end of August, there was no way i was gonna miss this one, determined to enable
myself to walk distances req'd....badgered my GP over the last week to get a cortisone jab into the knee. 16:00 today he done it....i got down the ground and after 9 minutes i wondered why i bothered...
just as well i persevered.....absolutely the dog's bol--cks...loved turning them over.
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Great comeback and fantastic to get the win. Benteke getting back to somewhere near the form of last season. Vlaar and Clark both solid at the back, Bertrand looks good, comfortable on the ball and offered options going forward particularly in the first half. Didn't think Lowton was as bad as a lot of people have been making out. Didn't even realise KEA was on the pitch until about 30mins in, thought he was woeful and was pleased to see him replaced by Sylla who turned out to be just as poor, unable to do the simple things and looks a shadow of the player he was last season. An honourable mention to the ball boy who was time wasting in the corner of the North and Trinity Rd stands!! All in all a very enjoyable game and even more so as I went on a free ticket. UTV
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As for West Brom's premature chant when it was 0-2 early on, yes Albion..."We know what you are!!"
And how small time is that - being pride of the midlands means mostly nothing to us but is a big deal for them.
And then promptly seemed to suffer from mass amnesia as they all appeared to forget the words for the last 80 minutes.
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As for West Brom's premature chant when it was 0-2 early on, yes Albion..."We know what you are!!"
And how small time is that - being pride of the midlands means mostly nothing to us but is a big deal for them.
You need to feel for them Charlie.
They've just lost their Champions' League Final! ;-)
UTV!
2 cup finals, 5 goals and 0 wins. My heart breaks for them.
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Just back from the game -Phew!
Positives
1. Three massive points and even better against the Olbion
2. We had the resolve to come back and always looked like getting back in a game we would have lost last year
3. Bertrand looks absolute quality. Sooooooo comfortable on the ball, defends intelligently and good going forward. Delph, Vlaar and Weimann's also had games
4. Holt showed some badly needed experience and nous - sadly lacking in one or two others
"Constructive Criticism"
1. Despite the result we still don't have a progressing style of football
2. Why or why do we manage to give the ball away so many times when under no pressure
3. We are not strong enough. Too many 50/50 challenges lost/bottled
4. Some sloppy defending AGAIN for all three goals
Overall though great result, well worth the journey and I feel that we can more than get something at Everton
PS will be interested to see the Foster challenge on Benteke. If the was contact then surely as with Suarez it's a penalty?
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PS will be interested to see the Foster challenge on Benteke. If the was contact then surely as with Suarez it's a penalty?
Even from the North, Foster did look like he tackled and won the ball from Benteke.
However, had the ball crossed the line from Bacuna's shot before CB made sure.
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Foster got enough of the ball that in no way was it a penalty. Benteke was a bee's dick away from taking it past him though.
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not read the thread yet
what a crazy game
negatives first - defence . Lowton probably the main culprit
positives - Weimann looked better , CB is getting there , Delph what a goal and Gabby wasnt playing neither.
Big big win , gets us a way from that bottom 3 , puts the twats right in it and hopefully give everyone confidence
If we could get a top No 10 and a top defensive midfielder we could start to have a decent team , as not convinced with KEA , Sylla and Westwood still , even thou Westwood could still come good.
anyway on a night like tonight . Who cares . 3 massive points for Villa and Im going to enjoy the *home win* and four goals .
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I finally saw a Villa goal in front of me at the North Stand! Just like buses.......
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who was the fan that went up to Lambert at 3-2 and he shoved him back in his seat .
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Woke up at 5.40am and checked my phone expecting to see the half-time score. A bit muddled when I saw 4-3 and FT - 8 hours time difference and mathematics is clearly not my strong point. I can only assume that the sound of the FT whistle and resulting roar made it all the way to Singapore.
Breakfast has rarely tasted so good.
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who was the fan that went up to Lambert at 3-2 and he shoved him back in his seat .
Culverhouse disguised as fan from the 50's with flat cap. He was going to launch a tirade against the moaning fuckers behind the technical areas calling them fucking morons but PL told the radge to get tae fuck.
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Didn't like the baker on sub, we aren't good enough to sit back...
I would have brought albrighton in, however we needed amother midfielder on in my opinion as thor appeared no midfield from either team.... Bench just didn't have the options!
It completely nullified them though after they had brought their attacking subs on. I think Lambert got the subs spot on. Am I also the only one who likes Westwood?
I didn't feel the sub nullified the baggies.... I thought they were going to score any minute for last 20 minutes.
I like Westwood delph and kea, just didn't think either midfield dominated, in fact at time it was like a basketball game with the midfield being bypassed!
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well done the Villa
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who was the fan that went up to Lambert at 3-2 and he shoved him back in his seat .
I thought it was Jonathan Fear at first glance!
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who was the fan that went up to Lambert at 3-2 and he shoved him back in his seat .
Didn't see this at the time but noticed it on highlights. What the fuck went on there?
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Very happy with the Villa boys, three Albion twats at work are gonna get it big time today and for weeks to follow.
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I saw it as a fairly gentle push back into the seats. Almost 'come on mate you're not meant to be out here'. Plus he probably spends most of the season hearing a lot of grumbling from the trinity. Those guys like to grumble!
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Only saw the highlights. We did seem to play pretty long ball again, but there was plenty of movement in and around benteke. He looks like he's getting back to his best though his finishing and touch can still improve. I heard Weimann did really well - great to see him back. If we can get gabby fit I really back us to beat Everton
Really frustrating to see villa make the same mistakes at the back again. We concede, and then completely switch off and concede a second within two minutes. It seems to particularly be a problem in the first half in front of the Holte end!!
Didn't see any massive howlers from Lowton. But agree Bertrand and Delph looks much stronger down the left side at the moment.
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0-2 down in 6 minutes is inexcusable, especially to the Throstles. Low ton did OK I thought, he and Vlaar at fault for the first. El Ahmadi however is not a footballer, he ran around a lot, put a few tackles in and ran around some more, made some horrendous errors and most people around me were glad to see the back of him.
Battenburg did OK I thought, no doubt whatsoever about the headlock on Benteke for the penalty and special mention to Lowton for a crunching tackle on their no7 in our right back position that eventually led to Delphs strike.
We are better than we were, but not as good as we need to be.
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who was the fan that went up to Lambert at 3-2 and he shoved him back in his seat .
Didn't see this at the time but noticed it on highlights. What the fuck went on there?
He ran on to celebrate with Lambert, then Lambert just sort of edged him back to where he came from. Nothing in it at all.
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Mark Clattenberg had a very good game last night. Every time their was an incident he was right on top of it. I was impressed.
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Great result. That was the entertainment people were hoping for before the season I guess. There's a feeling of wrongs righted this morning. Let's push on and look upwards instead of downwards and let's watch them drop like a stone.
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Oh and how devastated must they be to have tossed away two 2-0 head starts against us, lovely stuff.
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We won which is great. It was a bonkers game to watch. I don't think I've ever witnessed such a crazy game at VP. We needed that result. The goals were well taken (even if it did come off bacuna's face).
But my god we so bad at keeping possession. It's the basic stuff. We just can not close a game out properly. El Ahmadi was so, so poor. Losing the ball and running into players all he time. I just didn't feel safe of the win until the final whistle went. With the two big guys up front why is it so impossible to hold onto the football for any longer than 5 seconds.
I'll enjoy the result. But it doesn't change how bad a footballing team on the whole we seem to be.
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Gutted before the match that I was having to miss it, even more gutted after I'd watched MOTD and seen what a rollercoaster ride it was. Cracker from Delph, The Beast is back, the world always feels like a wonderful place the day after beating the Albion.
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When it was 2-2 so early in the game I told my twelve year old son that when I was his age we were drawing 3-3 at half time against Albion and then got a second half winner at the Holte End. Bertrand looked class,, Weimann and Benteke have a spring in their step again after their recent goals and I though the man of the match was Bacuna. Also, as scrappy as his finish was the build up to that goal was quality.
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As much as last nights win thrilled me, after the first ten minutes we were two-nil down at home. At that point how many goals, if asked, would you have suggested we needed to score to win the game?
I'd have said four or five.
Obviously we did actually do what was needed. But we are so bloody kamikaze at the back. Gave ourselves a mountain to climb.
A bad miss and a Clark stupid tug in the box could have lost us that one.
Perhaps I'm harsh on Lambert - wonder what difference Okore back, Bertrand and hopefully a midfielder will make to this team - we might actually be half decent
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I saw it as a fairly gentle push back into the seats. Almost 'come on mate you're not meant to be out here'. Plus he probably spends most of the season hearing a lot of grumbling from the trinity. Those guys like to grumble!
Its what we do best. Grumbling and sarcasm are our specialties in the LTR
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Does Olsson ever stop complaining to the Ref ?
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I thought the guy came from the crowd to celebrate with Lambert who entered into the spirit of it and then ushered him back to his seat as did a steward.
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At 0-2 I was hoping we could get back into it second half like the last time. Never thought we would turn it around so quickly. So eleven previous home games bought us just 8 goals then we get 4 in 62 minutes. Last couple of games are more like the back end of last year, we look like we can score again. Bertrand is clearly a class above what we previously had, good defending and some excellent passes down the line.
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Mark Clattenberg had a very good game last night. Every time their was an incident he was right on top of it. I was impressed.
Very good performance from the ref. Let things flow but didn't allow the Baggies to take advantage of their physical superiority in many areas. It actually made our light weight midfield have to get involved in an old fashioned scrap - which for much of the first half when we came back from 0-2 they did. Hopefully It will have done a lot to toughen them up a bit.
The Baggies look like a good championship side - able to worry a premiership team by going at it and trying to get a shock result - but inevitably their lack of skill and pace told.
We still lack experience in many areas, are a bit too light weight in others but we are superior to teams like the Tesco Baggies. Given time we will be OK, not so sure about them.
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Does Olsson ever stop complaining to the Ref ?
Loved it when Clattenburg took his time to fill in his yellow card and made Guzan wait to take goal kick, when Olsson was moaning about time wasting. Ref had a very good game.
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Said to my 10 year old lad on the way out - ' Son, For every Sheff Utd game, there's a losing 2-0 to that lot and coming back and winning 4-3. It's why we come down - it's the Villa - it's why we love 'em ''
Also, I can't seem to get the sound of the 'Laughing Policeman' out of my head - it's a good day.
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Does Olsson ever stop complaining to the Ref ?
Filed under the same category as Brunt
'Deserving of a smack on the head'
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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Tremendous goal from Delph. Very similiar to one scored by the mighty Rioch against Man City, unfortunately that was when he was with Derby, but I can pay Delph no higher compliment.
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There was some Albion loser who sounded as though he had been mainlining Helium on WM this morning trying to claim some sort of moral victory, just for a change, because they had more possession and they scored more nice looking goals than we did.
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And in his post-match interview with Lambert last night Pat Murphy was trying to make out that Benteke had gone down "too easily for a big man" for the penalty. What a tosser. That lunatic Lugano, a walking liability if ever there was one, looked like he was trying to wrench Benteke's head off!!
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There was some Albion loser who sounded as though he had been mainlining Helium on WM this morning trying to claim some sort of moral victory, just for a change, because they had more possession and they scored more nice looking goals than we did.
That may well be Helium Lee who rings up and complains even if they've won and he never goes.
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2 two goal leads we gave them.....and they only got a point over the two matches !
we know what they are alright....Oh thanks for the 4 points tramps :)
UTV
The Doc
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And in his post-match interview with Lambert last night Pat Murphy was trying to make out that Benteke had gone down "too easily for a big man" for the penalty. What a tosser. That lunatic Lugano, a walking liability if ever there was one, looked like he was trying to wrench Benteke's head off!!
I didn't think Pat Murphy was interested in interviewing Lambert unless we lost. One of his openly hostile interviews earlier in the season was the most disrespectful towards the manager I have heard since SGT's England days.
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There was some Albion loser who sounded as though he had been mainlining Helium on WM this morning trying to claim some sort of moral victory, just for a change, because they had more possession and they scored more nice looking goals than we did.
That may well be Helium Lee who rings up and complains even if they've won and he never goes.
I don't think it was him. There must be an off licence in Smethwick which only sells Helium.
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And in his post-match interview with Lambert last night Pat Murphy was trying to make out that Benteke had gone down "too easily for a big man" for the penalty. What a tosser. That lunatic Lugano, a walking liability if ever there was one, looked like he was trying to wrench Benteke's head off!!
He is another Ridgewell, will cost you at the back but will also score goals. Lucky for us he missed the header at the back post in the second half.
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And in his post-match interview with Lambert last night Pat Murphy was trying to make out that Benteke had gone down "too easily for a big man" for the penalty. What a tosser. That lunatic Lugano, a walking liability if ever there was one, looked like he was trying to wrench Benteke's head off!!
I didn't think Pat Murphy was interested in interviewing Lambert unless we lost. One of his openly hostile interviews earlier in the season was the most disrespectful towards the manager I have heard since SGT's England days.
His tone and attitude last night were out of order, he was clearly gutted Villa hadn't lost. Lambert was pretty much telling him as politely as possible to sod off by the end of it.
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Derby game. Cant work out if the skill/entertainment was awfully brilliant or brilliantly awful, but dagnabit I loved it. Thanks lads for a great night of entertainment. Topped off with a grumpy Pat Murphy who wanted us to lose. Self centered twat
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There was some Albion loser who sounded as though he had been mainlining Helium on WM this morning trying to claim some sort of moral victory, just for a change, because they had more possession and they scored more nice looking goals than we did.
That may well be Helium Lee who rings up and complains even if they've won and he never goes.
I really must check the football rule book to see if it has changed. I thought the team who score most goals won - obviously it has changed in the Kingdom of Smethwick alone.
Does that Bozo from 20 years ago still ring up whinging about 'where has all the money gone, Tom?'
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Too exhausted to post last night. Now that's how to win a local derby. Still ringing in my ears this morning: "We know what you are - obsessed with the Villa, we know what you are", "It's all gone quiet over there" and, best of all, "Always shit on a Tesco carrier bag". Great night
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And not even small heath fans are as big a bunch of twats at thr Bitters. Sad bastards. Not a peep from them when they weren't winning, charging towards Villa fans when they did score. Complete and utter bunch of wankers.
After 35 years experience I have to disagree. The bitters are sad. Very sad. The noses are even sadder, the saddest in fact and more violent
It went off twice before the game tonight. Bad as I've seen at a Small Heath game for ages.
I have relatives who are Albion fans and said it was more than just pavement dancing outside the away end. The police having to baton people back.
There was also some trouble outside of the Old Contemptables in town before the game.
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I didn't hear the Murphy interview, but during the game his reports on 5 live seem very well balanced and he sounded genuinely delighted when Villa scored.
The pundits on the radio thought the penalty was very soft (opposite to the tv who thought it was stone wall), so he probably had little alternative but to ask Lamberts thought on it.
Murphy is a decent journalist, but not afraid to criticise. Sometimes I do think we're paranoid
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And not even small heath fans are as big a bunch of twats at thr Bitters. Sad bastards. Not a peep from them when they weren't winning, charging towards Villa fans when they did score. Complete and utter bunch of wankers.
After 35 years experience I have to disagree. The bitters are sad. Very sad. The noses are even sadder, the saddest in fact and more violent
It went off twice before the game tonight. Bad as I've seen at a Small Heath game for ages.
I have relatives who are Albion fans and said it was more than just pavement dancing outside the away end. The police having to baton people back.
There was also some trouble outside of the Old Contemptables in town before the game.
I went past the OC's in the car at about 5 o clock and there was about 20 police outside at that time - was the trouble before or after that ?
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About half 6 I think.
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I didn't hear the Murphy interview, but during the game his reports on 5 live seem very well balanced and he sounded genuinely delighted when Villa scored.
The pundits on the radio thought the penalty was very soft (opposite to the tv who thought it was stone wall), so he probably had little alternative but to ask Lamberts thought on it.
Murphy is a decent journalist, but not afraid to criticise. Sometimes I do think we're paranoid
He was better than he usually is last night but I think there must be two Pat Murphys because the one you describe is nothing like the tosser I hear on R5 trying to contain his glee when Villa lose and West Brom win. There's hope for me yet for a late entry into a media career if he's a decent journalist
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Pat Murphy is a prick
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"Those b astards just foooking hurt me time after time!"
"They build you up then surrender like boll ox less w ankers!"
"That's twice this season they've sent me to heaven and then straight away consigned me to hell".
"When they feel this pain then they may show some backbone".
At least in their despair they can come up with something better than 'They break yer heart Tom'.
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My old lad hated the Albion with a passion too, mainly stemming from when they put the final nail in the coffin that relegated us in 1959 but, when it come to SHA he detested them. I said before that we lived in Sheldon so we went to watch them when we couldn't afford to travel away with the Villa.
He always insisted we stand in amongst them when all the sillies stood on the Tilton and continually took the piss out of them calling them all the one-eyed bastards under the sun and not hiding his support for whoever the opposition was. This continued throughout the game. Now my old man was a non-violent person and was also a little bloke but, I swear to God he was prepared to take every single last one of them on, I'm convinced that was what he wanted. The times I had to calm him down.
He never explained just why he hated them so much but believe me he hated them.
That resounds with me too.My Dad took me down to VP that day in 59 for the reserves game so we could keep up with match by watching the scoreboard and I remember the last few minutes when it all changed for us.I was 7 years old and had quite liked the Baggies till that day.Never again
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I think mentally we have the edge on the Albion and more than likely, always will. You cannot live in our shadow all those years and have the huge inferiority complex they do and not let it effect you.
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"Those b astards just foooking hurt me time after time!"
"They build you up then surrender like boll ox less w ankers!"
"That's twice this season they've sent me to heaven and then straight away consigned me to hell".
"When they feel this pain then they may show some backbone".
Well that has put an even bigger smile on my face. I can imagine the poor scrawny Stripey saying that.
Bloody loved it last night. After many dull moments at VP this season, we got a seasons worth of entertainment in 90 minutes and against that lot too.
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Most of the Boggies on WM last night seemed convinced they were heading for the drop. I don't think that'll happen but only because there are at least three sides with poorer players in their squads.
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Credit to Lambert for excellent subs in the end. It might have killed off our attacking intent but it definitely killed of West Brom's, they didn't have a sniff in the last 20 minutes. We're now 5 points off Southampton in 9th and a good 3 point gap from the bottom half. Fantastic.
I don't know what match you were watching but Baggies' goal threat was not destroyed in the last twenty minutes - it's twenty of the pantshittiest minutes I've spent in my life!
I can understand Weimann being subbed as he ran himself into the ground. Albrighton replacing him I would have preferred to see as they were going to commit more to attack. Going defensive as we did invited them on to us and a better team than Albion I think would have taken advantage. The result suggests that Lambert got it right to go the route he did but as you say it was squeaky bum time.
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Bacuna did well in the number 10 role. But I really do think we need established defensive midfielder, attacking midfielder and a centre half along side Vlaar.
Lowton doesn't look very interested at the moment.
Was impressed with Bertrand, he's almost slotted in unnoticed.
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Most of the Boggies on WM last night seemed convinced they were heading for the drop. I don't think that'll happen but only because there are at least three sides with poorer players in their squads.
The 2-2 at their place really knocked them though, what's this going to do to them? Could be a Wolves type scenario, long losing run to relegation.
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Most of the Boggies on WM last night seemed convinced they were heading for the drop. I don't think that'll happen but only because there are at least three sides with poorer players in their squads.
Please McGrath, make it so.
The 2-2 at their place really knocked them though, what's this going to do to them? Could be a Wolves type scenario, long losing run to relegation.
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How nice to see an entertaining game of football at Villa Park again.
For all our inadequacies, one thing Villa can't be criticised for is a lack of spirit. That's a big effort to fight back from being 2-0 down after only eight minutes, and it's not the first time we've had to come from behind. I thought Vlaar was outstanding, Weimann was always a threat and Benteke is getting back to what we know he's capable of. It's amazing the difference a couple of goals has made to him.
On the negative side our ball retention was poor again, especially towards the end of the match.
I think the foul on Benteke was a penalty but I don't think it did us any harm being in the Holte End penalty box!
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Bacuna's finish has to be one of the worst ever to result in a goal!
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When I woke up this morning the first thing I thought about was the crossbar twanging like a guitar string and the ball in the back of the net
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When I woke up this morning the first thing I thought about was the crossbar twanging like a guitar string and the ball in the back of the net
Everything about that goal was utterly sexual.
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The defence were rubbish though!
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Woke up at 5.40am and checked my phone expecting to see the half-time score. A bit muddled when I saw 4-3 and FT - 8 hours time difference and mathematics is clearly not my strong point. I can only assume that the sound of the FT whistle and resulting roar made it all the way to Singapore.
Breakfast has rarely tasted so good.
Have a few Slings today to celebrate!
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The defence were rubbish though!
I thought Vlaar was very strange.
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The weather had a big effect on both defences I thought.
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Great win ! Some of the attacking football last night was what I thought we would get regularly under Lambert. Great to see Benteke back to his aggresive best. Not sure about all the stick Westwood gets, he keeps the ball moving and was excellent last week up at Anfield against our current England captain.
One thing is for sure we definately need to sign a right back as not sure about Lowton and Bacuna is completely lost at full back. Worst case scenario we are paying Hutton's wages at least have him on the bench as Bacuna is woeful in defence (not his fault) but needs sorting.
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The defence were rubbish though!
I thought Vlaar was very strange.
First half he was very sloppy. He did get clattered fairly early which he seemed to struggle with at times. Lowton is a persistent liability it must be said. Clarks been better than he was yesterday too.
Second half however I thought we defended a lot better. Vlaar was a back to normal after the break and we looked fairly solid from then on. They hardly troubled us aside from a few speculative efforts.
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When I woke up this morning the first thing I thought about was the crossbar twanging like a guitar string and the ball in the back of the net
Everything about that goal was utterly sexual.
72 mph baby
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For boring reasons I had no idea of the score at half time. Someone told me it was 3-3, and not having any media access until the second half I didn't believe them.
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Well what a game, we craved entertainment at VP and got it in spades. The atmosphere was very good too, noise in the upper Holte deafening at times, and on the way out.
I thought Westwood was OK too, KEA not great and Sylla poor when he came on, can't hold on to the ball. Weimann's best game for ages, Bertrand superb too. Lowton is a worry, he was awful defensively and his touch was poor on several occasions when he got forward, lost the ball then didn't track back At least Bacuna dis chase back if he got caught upfield. That said he had no protection as KEA was very narrow and quite often had two on him.
Great night though.
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I think mentally we have the edge on the Albion and more than likely, always will. You cannot live in our shadow all those years and have the huge inferiority complex they do and not let it effect you.
Agree we have had v them most of my life even when they were good, and recently when they could have nailed us over the previous couple of seasons. They want to equals and aren't.
This is what annoys about The Noses where they are able to drag us down to their level and in head to head matches share the spoils.
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Lowton is pretty much our entire team in microcosm - there's something there, but you're just never totally convinced. He should have kicked on this season, but hasn't. I wouldn't be showing him the door yet and rather work on him defensively on the training ground as he crosses such an excellent ball.
As to the game, it was great fun, but didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. This Villa team has goals in it, but has trouble defending and give daft goals away.
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When I woke up this morning the first thing I thought about was the crossbar twanging like a guitar string and the ball in the back of the net
Everything about that goal was utterly sexual.
72 mph baby
It made Brunt's effort look like a lob. It's been said elsewhere but I love it when the ball crashes in off the bar like that
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I couldn't follow the game on TV/stream last night as I am a lazy teacher who only works three hours in the mornings. However, I did have my "futbol24" phone app which kept on buzzing and bonging as the Baggies were boinging and their crossbar was twanging. I watched the goals at the start of first lesson today and it was very satisfying. Did that ****** Anelka get a good booing before he went off?
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I was trying to explain to my oldest son what a 'quenelle' is and he didn't believe me. The political detail was kind of lost
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Bacuna did well in the number 10 role.
I didnt think so, he looked a little lost and failed to find space between the lines of midfield and up front. I think his best position is right side of midfield.
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Bacuna did well in the number 10 role.
I didnt think so, he looked a little lost and failed to find space between the lines of midfield and up front. I think his best position is right side of midfield.
Agree with that.
If we're to play a diamond, I'd liek us to try Bacuna right, Delph left, Westwood at the base and Weiamnn at the tip. Gabby and Benteke upfront.
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Bacuna did well in the number 10 role.
I didnt think so, he looked a little lost and failed to find space between the lines of midfield and up front. I think his best position is right side of midfield.
Agree with that.
If we're to play a diamond, I'd liek us to try Bacuna right, Delph left, Westwood at the base and Weiamnn at the tip. Gabby and Benteke upfront.
If no one came in, I would play Weimann up with Benteke and Gabby floating in the number 10 role. I know that might sound odd, but he is improving all the time as a footballer, passes well and can carry the ball at pace from a deep position, and would be more effective there than Weimann.
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If no one came in, I would play Weimann up with Benteke and Gabby floating in the number 10 role. I know that might sound odd, but he is improving all the time as a footballer, passes well and can carry the ball at pace from a deep position, and would be more effective there than Weimann.
If we went the way I originally suggested, I'd see it as Gabby havign freedom to pull wide of Benteke and create some width. Being right behind the main striker, that would sort of overlap with areas Weiamnn might operate in. So, if we ever picked that team, I think we'd see a fluid interchanging of positions between Gabby and Weimann. I mainly suggested it the way I did as Gabby is more effective wide than Andi is.
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Congratulations on your victory - there's no complaints from me.
Absolutely fuming that we've bottled it, yet again, but fair play to Villa for a come back which caught our players seemingly by surprise.
Lambert will do you good, given time and funding.
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Congratulations on your victory - there's no complaints from me.
Absolutely fuming that we've bottled it, yet again, but fair play to Villa for a come back which caught our players seemingly by surprise.
Lambert will do you good, given time and funding.
Thanks , look forward to you visiting us again next year - if you stay up :)
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Congratulations on your victory - there's no complaints from me.
Absolutely fuming that we've bottled it, yet again, but fair play to Villa for a come back which caught our players seemingly by surprise.
Lambert will do you good, given time and funding.
Thanks , look forward to you visiting us again next year - if you stay up :)
If we persist with Lugano and Steven Reid then I have doubts about whether we will.
Never been so gutted leaving a ground. Still, such is football and days like this happen.
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Said to my 10 year old lad on the way out - ' Son, For every Sheff Utd game, there's a losing 2-0 to that lot and coming back and winning 4-3. It's why we come down - it's the Villa - it's why we love 'em ''
Also, I can't seem to get the sound of the 'Laughing Policeman' out of my head - it's a good day.
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Congratulations on your victory - there's no complaints from me.
Absolutely fuming that we've bottled it, yet again, but fair play to Villa for a come back which caught our players seemingly by surprise.
Lambert will do you good, given time and funding.
Thanks , look forward to you visiting us again next year - if you stay up :)
If we persist with Lugano and Steven Reid then I have doubts about whether we will.
Never been so gutted leaving a ground. Still, such is football and days like this happen.
Why was Lugano playing ahead of McAuley? Steven Reid is a part time player nowadays - seems to have a good deal of media work.
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I notice Neil Moxley in the Mail is referring to it as a "controversial penalty".
Shay Given on 5Live laughed and said "as a Villa fan it is a stonewall pen". Much mirth ensued and then he said it was "generous"
Controversial. Bollocks.
He had him in a headlock like Alan Partidge's Mad Stalking Fan, Jed.
'...I just wanna be your friend...'
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Mel wanted to retain the back four that got a point against Everton.
Understandable but annoying when you see a side defend like that when your two best defenders are on the bench.
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Great win, a real throwback to last season's roller coaster approach. But Albion's defence is as bad as ours can be, and to an extent the win was despite our shortcomings rather than a sign we are overcoming them. Vlaar played well but I'm still far from convinced by Clarke alongside him. Bertrand -finally a fullback who can defend as well as attack. I said ages ago that Lowton is slower than a slug and it really showed tonight. Delph has turned into a fine footballer and it looks like Andi and Big Ben are starting to get their mojos back. Again never been convinced by either KEA and Westood and again they gave the ball away for too easily and too often tonight. With 27 points on the board we have a decent cushion from the drop zone, which hopefully will be maintained.
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Congratulations on your victory - there's no complaints from me.
Absolutely fuming that we've bottled it, yet again, but fair play to Villa for a come back which caught our players seemingly by surprise.
Lambert will do you good, given time and funding.
You didn't bottle it, we just beat you. You were 2-0 up with about 80% of the game to go so it was hardly gonna stay that score with defences as delicate as Villa and Albion's.
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I couldn't follow the game on TV/stream last night as I am a lazy teacher who only works three hours in the mornings. However, I did have my "futbol24" phone app which kept on buzzing and bonging as the Baggies were boinging and their crossbar was twanging. I watched the goals at the start of first lesson today and it was very satisfying. Did that c*** Anelka get a good booing before he went off?
Every time he touched the ball.
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I couldn't follow the game on TV/stream last night as I am a lazy teacher who only works three hours in the mornings. However, I did have my "futbol24" phone app which kept on buzzing and bonging as the Baggies were boinging and their crossbar was twanging. I watched the goals at the start of first lesson today and it was very satisfying. Did that c*** Anelka get a good booing before he went off?
Every time he touched the ball.
Which seemed to be about 4 times before he was clattered and slinked off.
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I couldn't follow the game on TV/stream last night as I am a lazy teacher who only works three hours in the mornings. However, I did have my "futbol24" phone app which kept on buzzing and bonging as the Baggies were boinging and their crossbar was twanging. I watched the goals at the start of first lesson today and it was very satisfying. Did that c*** Anelka get a good booing before he went off?
Every time he touched the ball.
I booed his every touch, and joined in with 'Nicolas Anelka, we know what you are!'
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I booed his every touch and I wasn't even there.
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Did Lugano and Benteke have a bit of an off the ball set-two in the second half or did I imagine it?
Someone around said it looked like Lugano gave him a dig?
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Thank you Liam, fair play to you and boy, do we know days like this happen. We would never have hung on to a two goal lead in a month of Sundays. In fact, had we scored twice in the first ten minutes, a 3-2 defeat or similar would almost have been guaranteed! I hope West Brom stay up as whilst I am Villa fan first and foremost, I am secondly a fan of midlands football. I save my hatred for jumped tossers like Chelsea. I certainly 'know what they are'
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I couldn't follow the game on TV/stream last night as I am a lazy teacher who only works three hours in the mornings. However, I did have my "futbol24" phone app which kept on buzzing and bonging as the Baggies were boinging and their crossbar was twanging. I watched the goals at the start of first lesson today and it was very satisfying. Did that c*** Anelka get a good booing before he went off?
Oh yes we did. I was impressed with our supporters on that as I don't expect average football fan to be too bothered about that sort of thing.
Funny thing was as he limped off taking about an hour to leave the pitch looking as though he was about to die he couldn't wait for the tunnel barrier to be opened and jumped over it. Obviously he was "injured".
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Oh yes we did. I was impressed with our supporters on that as I don't expect average football fan to be too bothered about that sort of thing.
Funny thing was as he limped off taking about an hour to leave the pitch looking as though he was about to die he couldn't wait for the tunnel barrier to be opened and jumped over it. Obviously he was "injured".
Local media were reporting he has six stitches to treat a wound on his knee.
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You would have thought that he could have got stitched and then come back out.
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Oh yes we did. I was impressed with our supporters on that as I don't expect average football fan to be too bothered about that sort of thing.
Funny thing was as he limped off taking about an hour to leave the pitch looking as though he was about to die he couldn't wait for the tunnel barrier to be opened and jumped over it. Obviously he was "injured".
Local media were reporting he has six stitches to treat a wound on his knee. had the physio put a plaster on it and kiss it better!
fixed ;-)
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You would have thought that he could have got stitched and then come back out.
That might have been the plan. However, we were down to ten men we conceded and I don't think Pepe was willing to wait any longer at a point when we were getting over-run.
He appears to be a doubt for Sunday.
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He possibly won't play for you again then, Liam.
If he sentence/ban is decided next week he may not play for anyone again.
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Does Olsson ever stop complaining to the Ref ?
Loved it when Clattenburg took his time to fill in his yellow card and made Guzan wait to take goal kick, when Olsson was moaning about time wasting. Ref had a very good game.
it was also Clattenburg who pushed Nafti out of the way when Young scored in the 5-1 win against noses. He also reffed the game when we won 1-0 at the noses soe he'd done ok for us in local derbies.
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Anelka was a terrible signing. He joined the Tescos and then almost immediately started talking about calling it quits altogether. I'm not quite sure how much motivation this man has left. His motivation has always been questionnable in any case. He's staying on probably to pick up his paycheque every month. Aside from a couple of goals against West Ham, which he then went and spoilt with "that" gesture, he's looked well past it.
He should just retire. Le Sulk really doesn't need any more money. He clearly, more often than not, can't be arsed. He's a bad apple and the Tescos should get well shot of him asap.
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Watched it last night not knowing the score. Massive win in so many ways, Benteke back to form, now 8 points from relegation, a home win and many very good performances.
Put paid to all that crap about them being the Team of the Midlands, oh yeh right.
The match reinforced the view that we need a defensive midfielder to help protect the back 4, and with this I think we could be a decent team.
Bertrand shows what a difference a decent player can make, would love to keep him.
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I liked Lambert's reponse to being 8 points from relegation that we were 5 points off Southampton in 9th. It will take us to have an almighty collapse now to be properly sucked into that battle and for it to coincide with at least 8 of the 10 teams below us to miraculously turn their seasons around.
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Pre-match, walking down the Witton Lane past the Holte End, it made me smile to see the big Tesco sign all lit up!
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I liked Lambert's reponse to being 8 points from relegation that we were 5 points off Southampton in 9th. It will take us to have an almighty collapse now to be properly sucked into that battle and for it to coincide with at least 8 of the 10 teams below us to miraculously turn their seasons around.
I think we'll be pretty comfortable. There's no way we won't pick up another 13 points this season, and even then, 40 points will be more than enough to survive.
With our front men hitting form at the right time now, I'd expect us to hit 45-50ish points come May. Maybe more.
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I liked Lambert's reponse to being 8 points from relegation that we were 5 points off Southampton in 9th. It will take us to have an almighty collapse now to be properly sucked into that battle and for it to coincide with at least 8 of the 10 teams below us to miraculously turn their seasons around.
I think we'll be pretty comfortable. There's no way we won't pick up another 13 points this season, and even then, 40 points will be more than enough to survive.
With our front men hitting form at the right time now, I'd expect us to hit 45-50ish points come May. Maybe more.
confidence is a massive piece of all of this and right now we are playing with as much if not more of it than at any time during the season. Even at 2-0 we fought hard and won the game. Add in the displays against Arsenal and Liverpool we should be looking up and not down. Benteke gives everyone so much belief and it really puts the opposition on the back foot in how to deal with him. Throw in a bit of Gabby coming back and a reviatlised Weimann we will create problems for anyone we play. Clearly we still have some issues that need to be addressed but we are in a much more secure position this January than last.
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I was trying to explain to my oldest son what a 'quenelle' is and he didn't believe me. The political detail was kind of lost
[/quotI was trying to explain to my oldest son what a 'quenelle' is and he didn't believe me. The political detail was kind of lost
Just tell him the original meaning then Damon - it is a sort of dumpling. That would sum up Anelka just as easily.
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I think we'll be fine now, we should be looking up and to improve our football on a consistent basis.
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Bertrand shows what a difference a decent player can make, would love to keep him.
Pat Murphy was asked about him and said that in interviews he seems to know the Villa history and is very happy to be here. Said he was genuinely aware of our position in the history of football and was gald to be playing - he is 24 now and needs to play. Murphy said there was an option to buy in the agreement.
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Bertrand shows what a difference a decent player can make, would love to keep him.
Pat Murphy was asked about him and said that in interviews he seems to know the Villa history and is very happy to be here. Said he was genuinely aware of our position in the history of football and was gald to be playing - he is 24 now and needs to play. Murphy said there was an option to buy in the agreement.
I was very impressed with him last night. It made the chaos and inability to hold on to simple possession on the right even more apparent.
Having quality full backs is much more important than it used to be and I'd go as far to say that getting a decent quality right back ought to be a higher priority than a midfielder.
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We dearly need some players with a little composure and Bertrand has that. Holt too.
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I think Bertrand will boost this team's collective intelligence quotient, which appears to be a bit on the low side.
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Jeff Astle, ally(Cropley crippling) brown ,frank overrated skinner, Adrian worst footy presenter on TV chiles, every tight arse yam yam stripey in the world.
we gave your boys one hell of a beating
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Pre-match, walking down the Witton Lane past the Holte End, it made me smile to see the big Tesco sign all lit up!
I said to DB something along the lines of 'there's a Baggies club shop at the end of the road' as we walked along Witton lane
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It was very enjoyable and my hangover has at least subsided now.
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I just told my wife [knows next to fuck-all about football] that that ****** Anelka was roundly booed every time he touched the ball. She said, "Why, what do you mean, who does he play for now?" I said "West Brazil Olbiyun" She was actually shocked and said "What, you mean he plays for a bunch of small-timers?"
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By James Nursey | 30/01/14
Wednesday night's thrilling 4-3 derby win over West Brom will go along way to satisfying Aston Villa fans who have rightly felt short-changed by some poor home performances this season.
Fans will have been impressed by the side's stunning comeback from falling behind to two early goals.
Paul Lambert's developing side can take plenty of confidence and belief from their astonishing recovery too.
Lambert said post-match: "I thought we grew up an awful lot by turning that around."
It showed character and backbone having been 2-0 down inside nine minutes.
But what actually impressed me the most was that Villa now have a solid spine running throughout the side.
Because in keeper Brad Guzan, defender Ron Vlaar, midfielder Fabian Delph and striker Christian Benteke, Villa have quality players who are all in good form.
Guzan has been solid for months now in all fairness to him and is a safe pair of hands.
But Dutch stopper Vlaar, 28, has this season started to show exactly why Lambert signed him in August 2012 and made him skipper.
He has turned into a real leader and his rugged, determined defending in the closing stages against the Baggies did much to ensure all three points.
Then in front of him you have Delph, 24, who is also maturing well.
After his unfortunate own goal to put Albion 2-0 up, it would have been easy for Delph's head to drop.
But the England prospect,24, kept his work-rate up and grew into the game.
And his left-foot goal from Benteke's flick on to put Villa infront was a real screamer and worth watching.
Lambert said afterwards Benteke was "unplayable" at times and I feel the Belgian striker is definitely back to his best.
His woes this season from injury and loss of form have been well document.
But he now has three goals in three games to look back to the player that terrorised Premier League defences in his debut campaign in England.
It is ideal time ahead of the run-in with Villa hoping to overhaul ninth place Southampton.
I think that is well possible with Benteke in this current form.
He was dominant in the air and flicked the ball on for both Andreas Weimann and Delph to score.
The ball was also sticking to Benteke again when played up which wasn't happening when his confidence dropped prior to scoring against Arsenal.
He looks a different player now from the out of sorts figure who clearly wasn't fully fit as he toiled before Christmas.
He is Villa's star and headline grabber but it is the form of Guzan, Vlaar and Delph as well which has given Lambert's men a quality spine.
Together they helped Villa show their backbone against Albion.
And if the quartet can all stay fit then a highly-respectable mid-table finish around ninth or 10th is most definitely well on the cards.
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I thought the guy came from the crowd to celebrate with Lambert who entered into the spirit of it and then ushered him back to his seat as did a steward.
That is how I saw it aswell. Judge for yourself:
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When I woke up this morning the first thing I thought about was the crossbar twanging like a guitar string and the ball in the back of the net
Everything about that goal was utterly sexual.
72 mph baby
It made Brunt's effort look like a lob. It's been said elsewhere but I love it when the ball crashes in off the bar like that
I actually don't like the bar being touched, gives it an air of lucky. Clearly wasn't in this case but I prefer to see it rip into the net.
Have to say I don't think Lowton was that bad. Yes a couple of slips but he made up for them at the other end. Our excellent play between 1-2 and 3-3 was as much to do with his contribution as any. Whatever your views are on second season syndrome I do think that we have a few players who are showing symptoms of that. Lowton being one of them. He, like most, are doing better as a team compared to this time last season, and as a team overall, and I think that we'll see him back even better next season.
Some players may fall by the wayside but I think that Lowton, and maybe Westwood could develop into very good players still. I think Clark's performances next to Vlaar this season has shown how his experiences have helped him develop.
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Stick a harder and quicker midfielder than KEA in front of Lowton to give him a bit more cover and he'll be less of a defensive liability maybe?
Lowton is pretty good going forward, and has the best cross out of anyone on the team - I think we really lose something with him out of the side.
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Just stick Bacuna right of midfield. Looked a fish out of water there v Liverpool but has improved since then and could be a good player for us in the Milner mould in that position.
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Happy with the 3 points, happy with the home win, happy there was no trouble to speak of, and a lesson for some on how fans of different clubs are meant to "support" their team. Good banter.
Some signs of improvement, But we took the lead then went backward allowing albion back into the game.
The second half, I thought we started poorly and as ive seen too many times this season, we totally stop playing. I mean a villa player has the ball makes a run and every villa player stands still, until the player with the ball looses it.
It seems if/when we take the lead the players are scared stiff that it is them that makes the mistake that costs us the lead. that has to be down to paul lambert and I don't think he see's it, cuz to many times at villa park this season that has happened.
I just hope the players can take some belief from this result, we have a long way to go.
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Happy with the 3 points, happy with the home win, happy there was no trouble to speak of, and a lesson for some on how fans of different clubs are meant to "support" their team. Good banter.
Some signs of improvement, But we took the lead then went backward allowing albion back into the game.
The second half, I thought we started poorly and as ive seen too many times this season, we totally stop playing. I mean a villa player has the ball makes a run and every villa player stands still, until the player with the ball looses it.
It seems if/when we take the lead the players are scared stiff that it is them that makes the mistake that costs us the lead. that has to be down to paul lambert and I don't think he see's it, cuz to many times at villa park this season that has happened.
I just hope the players can take some belief from this result, we have a long way to go.
Disagree. I think he wants them to take time on the ball more hence we do try a pass. When we are playing poorly it doesn't come off and we look terrible. When it does come off, though, it suggests that Lambert is right to stick with his policy.
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I had to follow this on the phone as I was working late
Can someone briefly summarise how it went?
Broadly speaking, it was like this.
*start*
OMG!
OMFG! What the fuck is going on?
GET IN THERE!
How the fuck did he manage to score from there?
WHAT A GOAL! WHAT A FUCKING GOAL!
Oh, FFS, shit defending, FFS Villa
They're all over us.
Penalty!
SCORES!
There now occurred several heart attacks, the odd stroke and at least one full-on nervous breakdown
*ends*
now that is why I come on, Sir great post, pmsl. UTV
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Happy with the 3 points, happy with the home win, happy there was no trouble to speak of, and a lesson for some on how fans of different clubs are meant to "support" their team. Good banter.
Some signs of improvement, But we took the lead then went backward allowing albion back into the game.
The second half, I thought we started poorly and as ive seen too many times this season, we totally stop playing. I mean a villa player has the ball makes a run and every villa player stands still, until the player with the ball looses it.
It seems if/when we take the lead the players are scared stiff that it is them that makes the mistake that costs us the lead. that has to be down to paul lambert and I don't think he see's it, cuz to many times at villa park this season that has happened.
I just hope the players can take some belief from this result, we have a long way to go.
Disagree. I think he wants them to take time on the ball more hence we do try a pass. When we are playing poorly it doesn't come off and we look terrible. When it does come off, though, it suggests that Lambert is right to stick with his policy.
its about opinions,
what I am trying to say is , there are times one villa player goes off on a run and there is no movement of other villa players giving the player with the ball options, the player with the ball looses it or is wrestled from it. back to square one.
im hoping its a confidence thing and that we will have gained some from that last night.
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its about opinions,
what I am trying to say is , there are times one villa player goes off on a run and there is no movement of other villa players giving the player with the ball options, the player with the ball looses it or is wrestled from it. back to square one.
im hoping its a confidence thing and that we will have gained some from that last night.
I think this contributed to Sylla looking poor. There were a few occasions just after he'd come on where he'd win the ball and beat 1 or 2 players then just run out of road because there was no one within 15 yards of him to lay it off to.
I thought Holt also suffered from this a bit. Four or five times he got himself isolated on the left wing, although there were a couple of those where he declined to pass to Benteke when he came over to help out.
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One thing I noticed last night was how often Westwood would give the ball away, but then compound the error by watching the game totally pass him by as a result of this.
I think he's potentially a good passer of the ball, but it's just not working for him at the moment, and he constantly gets caught out like that.
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When I woke up this morning the first thing I thought about was the crossbar twanging like a guitar string and the ball in the back of the net
Everything about that goal was utterly sexual.
72 mph baby
It made Brunt's effort look like a lob. It's been said elsewhere but I love it when the ball crashes in off the bar like that
I actually don't like the bar being touched, gives it an air of lucky. Clearly wasn't in this case but I prefer to see it rip into the net.
Have to say I don't think Lowton was that bad. Yes a couple of slips but he made up for them at the other end. Our excellent play between 1-2 and 3-3 was as much to do with his contribution as any. Whatever your views are on second season syndrome I do think that we have a few players who are showing symptoms of that. Lowton being one of them. He, like most, are doing better as a team compared to this time last season, and as a team overall, and I think that we'll see him back even better next season.
Some players may fall by the wayside but I think that Lowton, and maybe Westwood could develop into very good players still. I think Clark's performances next to Vlaar this season has shown how his experiences have helped him develop.
Sorry, but I thought Clark was pretty poor again last night. His distribution was bad, he got physically bullied at times by Anichebe, he gave away a number of stupid free kicks in pretty dangerous areas and got caught out for their 3rd goal. Still far from convincing.
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One thing I noticed last night was how often Westwood would give the ball away, but then compound the error by watching the game totally pass him by as a result of this.
I think he's potentially a good passer of the ball, but it's just not working for him at the moment, and he constantly gets caught out like that.
Agree Paulie, but his passing is his game really. I just don't think he has the athletic and physical attributes to be a top flight midfielder, so if his passing game is off then he struggles.
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I don't like our supporters singing "shit on (whoever)". It's a crass classless song and rightly belongs to SHA and Tesco bags.
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One thing I noticed last night was how often Westwood would give the ball away, but then compound the error by watching the game totally pass him by as a result of this.
I think he's potentially a good passer of the ball, but it's just not working for him at the moment, and he constantly gets caught out like that.
Agree Paulie, but his passing is his game really. I just don't think he has the athletic and physical attributes to be a top flight midfielder, so if his passing game is off then he struggles.
Plenty of great midfielders haven't need athletic and physical attributes. It is a worry when his passing goes, but when his positioning goes (he was so good at interceptions last year) then you really start to worry.
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One thing I noticed last night was how often Westwood would give the ball away, but then compound the error by watching the game totally pass him by as a result of this.
I think he's potentially a good passer of the ball, but it's just not working for him at the moment, and he constantly gets caught out like that.
Agree Paulie, but his passing is his game really. I just don't think he has the athletic and physical attributes to be a top flight midfielder, so if his passing game is off then he struggles.
Plenty of great midfielders haven't need athletic and physical attributes. It is a worry when his passing goes, but when his positioning goes (he was so good at interceptions last year) then you really start to worry.
Yes, but they made up with that by being exceptional in other departments. Even when on form, Westwood is hardly exceptional in any department.
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Cowans was hardly Mr Muscle but he got stuck into tackles and could spray the ball around the pitch with ease. Scored a fair few goals along the way.
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Cowans was hardly Mr Muscle but he got stuck into tackles and could spray the ball around the pitch with ease. Scored a fair few goals along the way.
Also played in a different era, but Sid was way better on the ball and a better passer than Ash W.
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Cowans was hardly Mr Muscle but he got stuck into tackles and could spray the ball around the pitch with ease. Scored a fair few goals along the way.
Also played in a different era, but Sid was way better on the ball and a better passer than Ash W.
Should not even be compared. Ludicrous
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It was interesting to read their manager said they knew exactly how to stop us hurting them. This was by stopping Benteke. They knew exactly how to stop him and their pre match preparations focused on that. But when it came to putting the theory into practice they were incapable of stopping him doing what they knew he would.
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It was interesting to read their manager said they knew exactly how to stop us hurting them. This was by stopping Benteke. They knew exactly how to stop him and their pre match preparations focused on that. But when it came to putting the theory into practice they were incapable of stopping him doing what they knew he would.
I doubt Benteke will ever come across another opponent as feeble as Lugano on Wednesday night.
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In an ideal world I wouldn't be against three midfielders coming in, KEA doesnt have any real assets, Westwood is promising but inconsistent and defensively fragile and Sylla hasn't come on in the way I thought he would. Two starters to go alongside Delph and a squad midfielder are needed if Gardner's progress has also slowed.
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I don't like our supporters singing "shit on (whoever)". It's a crass classless song and rightly belongs to SHA and Tesco bags.
Correct. It is a vile song so should not be sung by us. Leave it to The Nearderthals and mini Barcelona (ha).
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Westwood is an okay passer of the ball, nothing more. When he looks to play (pardon the phrase) a Hollywood, he's easier to read than Roger Red Hat. I lose count of the times that a defender intercepts because he's read Westwoods intentions really easily. The main problem right now is he doesn't get the freedom of movement he got last season and it's ruined his game. Last season, from Jan-May, anytime a Villa player was on the ball and needed an option to pass to, Westwood was always there. Now he goes missing. He's either shadowed more closely, or worse, he goes hiding. Westwood at his best wasn't as much about his range of passing, but more about his ability to keep things ticking over, just by always being there and not wasting passes.
Now he's marked out, and is given less time on the ball because he's now a known quantity at this level. When he has the ball he has to be a lot quicker than he had to be last season, and I don't think he can hack it. I think he's been found out at this level and needs replacing ASAP.
Lowton is similar. Teams continue to exploit his defensive weakness, notably positioning and the huge gaps he leaves. They've also eliminated a lot of the attacking freedom that Lowton used to get. He barely gets any space and freedom down the wings these days, to get crosses in. It's not helped by poor ball retention of course, but rival wide men and fullbacks are wiser to Lowton. Cut out his attacking threat and then all he is, is a weakness to be exploited.
This happens a lot when you shop at a certain level. Just the way it is. Some players, when they need that extra level, just don't have it. Lowton and Westy will inevitably end up in the Championship I think.
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I'm finding some of the opinions on Westwood puzzling, as anyone who has to play in a midfield containing Karim El Ahmadi should be cut a hell of a lot of slack.
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I'm finding some of the opinions on Westwood puzzling, as anyone who has to play in a midfield containing Karim El Ahmadi should be cut a hell of a lot of slack.
To be fair to KEA, he put a shift in on Wednesday, I thought he worked very hard
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I think KEA's been fine the last couple of matches. He's absolutely worn out by 60 minutes and I think that shows up how much effort he's putting into the cause. Also, his passing was a bit off against Baggies, but in the first half at Liverpool I thought he was as incisive as he's ever been in a Villa shirt.
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I'm finding some of the opinions on Westwood puzzling, as anyone who has to play in a midfield containing Karim El Ahmadi should be cut a hell of a lot of slack.
To be fair to KEA, he put a shift in on Wednesday, I thought he worked very hard
Paulie mate, I went, and whilst he worked hard he was basically fucking useless. He absolutely kills us in there, I'm all for giving players time but in 18 months I can honestly say I've never seen him have a good game.
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I'm finding some of the opinions on Westwood puzzling, as anyone who has to play in a midfield containing Karim El Ahmadi should be cut a hell of a lot of slack.
To be fair to KEA, he put a shift in on Wednesday, I thought he worked very hard
Paulie mate, I went, and whilst he worked hard he was basically fucking useless. He absolutely kills us in there, I'm all for giving players time but in 18 months I can honestly say I've never seen him have a good game.
I'm all for running hard too, but if you give the ball away nearly every time you have it, and if you barely get a tackle in, it's a lot of energy expended for nought. They overran us at times in midfield, as a lot of teams do. Largely because at times, it looks like Delph is playing on his own in there.
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I thought the guy came from the crowd to celebrate with Lambert who entered into the spirit of it and then ushered him back to his seat as did a steward.
That is how I saw it aswell. Judge for yourself:
makes me laugh , what was the guy trying to do , mount him .
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I dont think KEA or Westwood have been good enough this season but If I had to keep one , it would be Westwood . Sell KEA to Bolton , hes that level .
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I'm finding some of the opinions on Westwood puzzling, as anyone who has to play in a midfield containing Karim El Ahmadi should be cut a hell of a lot of slack.
To be fair to KEA, he put a shift in on Wednesday, I thought he worked very hard
Paulie mate, I went, and whilst he worked hard he was basically fucking useless. He absolutely kills us in there, I'm all for giving players time but in 18 months I can honestly say I've never seen him have a good game.
Oh, just for clarity, don't get me wrong, I think his contributions have been woefully poor on the whole, and he usually offers next to nothing to the midfield beyond slouching around trying to look like a creative midfielder - he's proved to be a really poor signing.
I do, though, think he at least ran around a lot on Wednesday, which is more than he usually does.
Even though we won, it was a bit worrying to see the game bypass our midfield so regularly. Poor pass, lose possession, watch them go straight past us in the middle, on a loop for much of the game.
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I'm finding some of the opinions on Westwood puzzling, as anyone who has to play in a midfield containing Karim El Ahmadi should be cut a hell of a lot of slack.
To be fair to KEA, he put a shift in on Wednesday, I thought he worked very hard
Paulie mate, I went, and whilst he worked hard he was basically fucking useless. He absolutely kills us in there, I'm all for giving players time but in 18 months I can honestly say I've never seen him have a good game.
Oh, just for clarity, don't get me wrong, I think his contributions have been woefully poor on the whole, and he usually offers next to nothing to the midfield beyond slouching around trying to look like a creative midfielder - he's proved to be a really poor signing.
I do, though, think he at least ran around a lot on Wednesday, which is more than he usually does.
Even though we won, it was a bit worrying to see the game bypass our midfield so regularly. Poor pass, lose possession, watch them go straight past us in the middle, on a loop for much of the game.
That last paragraph could apply to almost every local derby I have ever watched us play.
It was comical at times, periods where neither team could keep the ball for more than 5 seconds without misplacing a pass or being caught in possession yet they somehow managed to conjure up 7 goals. Probably not one to over analyse or read too much into, just enjoy the madness of it all.
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I thought the midfield was extremely compacted in general with them pushing up a bit more, there wasn't much time on the ball for anyone.
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I'm finding some of the opinions on Westwood puzzling, as anyone who has to play in a midfield containing Karim El Ahmadi should be cut a hell of a lot of slack.
To be fair to KEA, he put a shift in on Wednesday, I thought he worked very hard
Paulie mate, I went, and whilst he worked hard he was basically fucking useless. He absolutely kills us in there, I'm all for giving players time but in 18 months I can honestly say I've never seen him have a good game.
Oh, just for clarity, don't get me wrong, I think his contributions have been woefully poor on the whole, and he usually offers next to nothing to the midfield beyond slouching around trying to look like a creative midfielder - he's proved to be a really poor signing.
I do, though, think he at least ran around a lot on Wednesday, which is more than he usually does.
Even though we won, it was a bit worrying to see the game bypass our midfield so regularly. Poor pass, lose possession, watch them go straight past us in the middle, on a loop for much of the game.
That last paragraph could apply to almost every local derby I have ever watched us play.
It was comical at times, periods where neither team could keep the ball for more than 5 seconds without misplacing a pass or being caught in possession yet they somehow managed to conjure up 7 goals. Probably not one to over analyse or read too much into, just enjoy the madness of it all.
The defences contributed to that in large part. There was some stunning defensive shitness on show.
I for one won't forget Lugano for a long time. The most inept performance I've seen in ages.
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I'm finding some of the opinions on Westwood puzzling, as anyone who has to play in a midfield containing Karim El Ahmadi should be cut a hell of a lot of slack.
To be fair to KEA, he put a shift in on Wednesday, I thought he worked very hard
Paulie mate, I went, and whilst he worked hard he was basically fucking useless. He absolutely kills us in there, I'm all for giving players time but in 18 months I can honestly say I've never seen him have a good game.
I'm all for running hard too, but if you give the ball away nearly every time you have it, and if you barely get a tackle in, it's a lot of energy expended for nought. They overran us at times in midfield, as a lot of teams do. Largely because at times, it looks like Delph is playing on his own in there.
I think he's dreadful aswell. Always where the ball's just been. He is supposed to be one of the experienced heads that Lambert keeps talking about but he certainly doesn't lead by example. Runs around but no composure at all.
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Amazing call eastie!
any takers on the final score? You have to think both defences will take a shot to the ear but I reckon 5-4 to us
4-3 villa win same as in 83 when we were 3-3 at half time , great to watch though and long overdue entertainment for our fans.
Attacking the holte i fancy benteke to notch the winner.
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