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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on January 04, 2014, 10:21:24 AM
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Saturday 4.1.14 @5pm
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On the bright side at least we won't be in the final on my wedding day!
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Most depressing thing is we can't say we deserved anything out of the game. Very very poor. Getting very very hard to defend Lambert now.
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Be careful what you wish for.
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Can't stay. We will go down with him as manager. Pathetic.
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Fucking boo!
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Don't give a fuck anymore to be honest,absolute shite
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Numb.
PL has to go. I wanted him to succeed but he won't.
This is as shit as it gets.
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Now we can concentrate on the league. Yay!
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Well that was shit.
I still don't think he should be sacked though.
We need investment.
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Absolutely not acceptable by any stretch of the imagination.
Other than the fact it'd cost money to get shot of him, I can not think of a single reason for Lambert to still be in a job.
A new low.
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That's it for me, that is a new low. We have least creative and dullest side in the top flight, we are an awful team. Pathetic.
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57 years and counting.
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Pissed off.
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It's what lambert wanted. Tosser!
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Lambert while I still contend his words prior to this game were taken out of context will now get absolutely battered for this.
And deservedly so. This is utterly shit. There better be a fix this month.
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Most depressing thing is we can't say we deserved anything out of the game. Very very poor. Getting very very hard to defend Lambert now.
Getting hard? Not sure there's anything left to say e joule keep his job. With him as manager we will get relegated. Anyone who watches our games know we're not worthy of the position in the league. We're shit. We need a new manager.
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Disfuckinggraceful.
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Where to from here , someone please have an answer, because I havnt
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57 years and counting.
This.
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That's it for me, that is a new low. We have least creative and dullest side in the top flight, we are an awful team. Pathetic.
LIKE
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Well that was shit.
I still don't think he should be sacked though.
We need investment.
That, time and again
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Now we can concentrate on the league. Yay!
Exactly, one positive from the result!
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We're an embarrassment they won't sack him though Lerner don't care
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Losing at home to a team 18th in the 3rd tier, no surprises really, we are a truly awful collection of so called footballers. Any other football team would have sacked him by now.
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Well it was only a hindrance anyway. Thanks Lambert.
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Well i thought today might be a shock result for the underdog with their collection of struggling poor lower league players, but as it was Sheffield United won it instead.
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Post-match or Post-Mortem?
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Can anyo0ne on here honestly say they were surprised by today's result?
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Pat Murphy enjoyed it.....
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Well that was shit.
I still don't think he should be sacked though.
We need investment.
If Hoolighan is an example of his experienced players to bring in we are going to remain in trouble
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Do the decent thing thing, Lambert. Resign and get the hell out of our club.
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How anyone thinks he should stay as our manager is just beyond me .
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We have so little spark to us. Added to so little guts at home. The players seem shit-scared of playing there
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And once again, season ticket holders are being buggered up the arse on a regular basis but keep returning for more. We're all victims of Stockholm Syndrome. Very few managers would survive the results Lambert has presided over.
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we Live in Yorkshire, the nearest prem club is Hull. Now most of the kids at my sons school support the sky 4. My son supports the Villa for me. Each week he is getting the piss taken out of him by these plastic kids. Tonight he asked me if he can support Man City like his mates. I'm finding it hard to say no
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We will be first on a highlights programme for a change. Then publicly humiliated and criticised on national TV.
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We have been knocked out of cup compet 3 times out of 4 by lower league opposition. Still, we can do without them
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Fuck off Lambert you shit manager!!
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Well that was shit.
I still don't think he should be sacked though.
We need investment.
But Lambert has had money and this is where we are 18 months into his project!
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It's what lambert wanted. Tosser!
Thing is, he did want to win, he put out a 'strong' lineup, he doesn't know how to win! For Lambert, round pegs in square holes works, plenty of room left for excuses.
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Lambert just can't put a foot right at the moment. I genuinely don't think he is cut out for this level. Not yet anyway.
What we need is to pay top dollar for a proven successful manager and pay top dollar for some proven Premier League or equivalent players. Neither of which I expect us to do. We're cheap.
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Lambert while I still contend his words prior to this game were taken out of context will now get absolutely battered for this.
His words and this result are a tipping point: analogous with O'Neill and Moscow.
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If ever proof was needed that this regime is destined to destroy every bit of hope ambition and joy of supporting this great club, today was it.
Noting will happen though because as well as conning the fans they are conning themselves that they know what they are doing.
Sad that it has come to this.
Bright Future? How dare they
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This one is going to be messy.
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That's it for me, that is a new low. We have least creative and dullest side in the top flight, we are an awful team. Pathetic.
This.
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I fear I shall not be renewing my two chipped Villa mugs and garden gnome (faded by UV light in garden) if the club can't be bothered.
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Can anyo0ne on here honestly say they were surprised by today's result?
Nope.
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I am watching in The Red Lion a Turkish bar in Side..The barman took Sheffield at 7-1..I was laughing earlier!! Someone is happy; but not me!
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That manager HAS to go. He shouldn't be sacked, he should resign to save face and reputation. The 'project' (pah!) shows absolutely no sign of advancing beyond 1st gear if we ever make it out of neutral. Villa Park has been stunk out once too often under his reign, Sheffield Utd the latest to despatch our collection of powder puffs. Completely unacceptable.
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We will be first on a highlights programme for a change. Then publicly humiliated and criticised on national TV.
But deservervedly
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I posted this in the match thread but just can't even explain and get my head around how he still has a job?
In 18 months
- almost relegated
- league struggle again
- worst home record in all divisions
- dumped out the FA Cup TWICE by Millwall and league 1 Sheff United
- dumped out of a cup semi by Bradford
- signed and 'coached' his own players and created this abysmal team
I've had enough of this man. I've got a stinking hang over but I'm cracking the beer back open as this is beyond sad for our beloved club.
Hope the cup comments PL made is the straw that broke the camels back. I'm off to open the beer and hope to come back on here later to the news that Lamberks resigned
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Silly me. I originally thought we'd huff and puff our way to a dreary draw. But the moment I saw Lambert, hunched, mumbling, and running down the FA Cup in his brainless press conference, I knew we were done for. It doesn't matter how the press twisted his words, or what he really meant. What on earth did he think the reaction was going to be to what he was saying? Did he not think about how it would come across? His whole demeanour at that press conference had ALREADY BEATEN, LET'S GET IT OVER WITH written all over it. What must the players have thought? Disgraceful.
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He asked for it and he got it. It is like a castle under siege hanging out a big banner for the enemy to read WE ARE NOT GOING TO FIGHT VERY HARD.
I am boring myself with the number of times I am saying it but just one last time. Lambert is a chancer.
He will not be sacked because he has the magic formula. It is called arse licking round the bosses.
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First win at Villa park since 1966. We have been quite the little record breakers the last few years haven't we.
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Silly me. I originally thought we'd huff and puff our way to a dreary draw. But the moment I saw Lambert, hunched, mumbling, and running down the FA Cup in his brainless press conference, I knew we were done for. It doesn't matter how the press twisted his words, or what he really meant. What on earth did he think the reaction was going to be to what he was saying? Did he not think about how it would come across? His whole demeanour at that press conference had ALREADY BEATEN, LET'S GET IT OVER WITH written all over it. What must the players have thought? Disgraceful.
Right on, how to de-motivate his players in one easy lesson. What a prat of a manager.
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I fear I shall not be renewing my two chipped Villa mugs and garden gnome (faded by UV light in garden) if the club can't be bothered.
I fear I shall not be renewing my two chipped Villa mugs and garden gnome (faded by UV light in garden) if the club can't be bothered.
Feel your pain brother!!
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I placed a bet on Sheffield United to win yesterday, 7/1. Just to win. Crazy odds that I just couldn't resist, and the depressing thing is I didn't have to think about it. We are such a woeful team that I was shocked at those odds. I suppose being a crap League 1 team helps.
I know quite a few don't like chucking on youngsters into a team with zero confidence, but I simply CANNOT accept that playing Lowton at CB is a better idea than playing Donacien. I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it seems so obvious. You know, rather than playing people out of position (and a tiny man at that). I just don't get it.
Plus it was Tonev who got the nod, over Helenius. I have no idea if he is any good, but I have a good idea about Tonev.
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Well it was only a hindrance anyway. Thanks Lambert.
A sorry indictment of where we have fallen to as a football club. Out thought & outplayed by another lower league side.
As Keith Burkinshaw once famously said when leaving Spurs "There used to be a football club over there...."
Similar thoughts come to mind tonight at VP.
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Going backwards, unless money is spent, and I mean real money then we are in serious trouble. I wouldn't get rid of Lambert now as any new manager would not have time to get his players in.
But between Lambert and the owner, the club is sinking.
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I really think I'll die without seeing us win the FA Cup.
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Pat Murphy couldn't help himself!! BBC already going for the kill!
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Baggies lost, perhaps they'll take Lambert off our hands ;) ;)
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Silly me. I originally thought we'd huff and puff our way to a dreary draw. But the moment I saw Lambert, hunched, mumbling, and running down the FA Cup in his brainless press conference, I knew we were done for. It doesn't matter how the press twisted his words, or what he really meant. What on earth did he think the reaction was going to be to what he was saying? Did he not think about how it would come across? His whole demeanour at that press conference had ALREADY BEATEN, LET'S GET IT OVER WITH written all over it. What must the players have thought? Disgraceful.
Completely agree.
Typically how long does it take for the post match interviews to take place. The press are quite rightly going to be all over him.
Normally you can imagine a logical script which a manager could reel off, but quite honestly, I cannot think of anything he can say which will not damage his credibility. When that happens you know you're a 'brown bread' man walking.
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Regular relegation battles, regular cup exits to lower league clubs, regular piss taking from fans of local rivals even when they are in a worse position, regular ridicule and pity by national and local media, fuckin hell its miserable.
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I really think I'll die without seeing us win the FA Cup.
Me too. The one trophy my old man never got to see us win too (57 he was only 10 and couldn't get down to see it). I still remember 2000...
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Pat Murphy couldn't help himself!! BBC already going for the kill!
Murphy has never been a neutral media person, always anti Villa whenever possible, all his observations and comments are Villa negative
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I don't need the media to tell me how shit we are.
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Pat Murphy couldn't help himself!! BBC already going for the kill!
Murphy has never been a neutral media person, always anti Villa whenever possible, all his observations and comments are Villa negative
We today he can fill his boots..plenty negative stuff.
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I've said it many time on here over the last couple of seasons, this is the worst squad of players I've ever seen assembled at our club. The saddest thing for me is that even after the humiliations Lerner and Lamber have put us through there are still some that think there's some kind of genius plan at work. Well there isn't (in my opinion), Lerner has lost interest and is running the club on a shoestring and the club and fans are suffering for it.
The sooner he sells up the better.
Lerner and Lambert out!
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Pat Murphy couldn't help himself!! BBC already going for the kill!
Murphy has never been a neutral media person, always anti Villa whenever possible, all his observations and comments are Villa negative
What did he say?
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Pat Murphy couldn't help himself!! BBC already going for the kill!
Murphy has never been a neutral media person, always anti Villa whenever possible, all his observations and comments are Villa negative
It's just a shame we make it so easy these days.
We are a laughing stock far too often, and it's all self inflicted.
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Pat Murphy couldn't help himself!! BBC already going for the kill!
Murphy has never been a neutral media person, always anti Villa whenever possible, all his observations and comments are Villa negative
To be fair you don't have to put an angle on anything to make it negative about Villa, the club is doing that by itself.
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I really think I'll die without seeing us win the FA Cup.
It has been made clear you won't with this guy in charge.
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I've supported lambert. I've wanted to believe. But I'm on the verge of turning I must say. The only thing holding me back is the feeling that with three managers in a row struggling, will the fourth succeed and what on earth would they do with our squad given we don't have much cash. It does feel like we will get relegated sooner or later
Didn't see the game today, but it sounded awful. Did Shef utd really look more composed on the ball than us?
I'm really getting sick of being embarrassed by villa.
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Regular relegation battles, regular cup exits to lower league clubs, regular piss taking from fans of local rivals even when they are in a worse position, regular ridicule and pity by national and local media, fuckin hell its miserable.
That's right, Life as a Villa Fan ! Never been any different, even when we have been great the media ignored us!
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I want Lambert to fuck off now. He could win the next three, I'd still happily see him go.
It's his team, his tactics, his everything that is failing right now. Our league position is somehow high for now.. could easily all change though. Has to go.
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Brilliant result for us, can concentrate on securing that all important 16th place in the league now. I've realised Lambert is fucking terrible but if he was sacked its inevitable we'd get Mackay and I've had it with downbeat, dour Scottish managers.
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Pat Murphy couldn't help himself!! BBC already going for the kill!
Do you blame them? Regular relegation battles, regular cup exits to lower league clubs, regular piss taking from fans of local rivals even when they are in a worse position, regular ridicule and pity by national and local media, fuckin hell its miserable.
How ow can we go? That's the scary thing. I can see things getting very bad in the next few years.
What are our standards? What exactly is our ambition these days? Consistently shite for three years andyouget the feeling nobody gives a feck. Sub-consciously supporters are responding by changing their own expectations. I was ridiculed a few weeks back for saying I couldn't wait to see us reach 40 points but I was just being honest.
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I've supported lambert. I've wanted to believe. But I'm on the verge of turning I must say. The only thing holding me back is the feeling that with three managers in a row struggling, will the fourth succeed and what on earth would they do with our squad given we don't have much cash. It does feel like we will get relegated sooner or later
Didn't see the game today, but it sounded awful. Did Shef utd really look more composed on the ball than us?
I'm really getting sick of being embarrassed by villa.
Yes Sheffield United were more composed, throughout the game the commentators most used words in relation to Sheffield Utd were 'comfortable' or 'comfortably'
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Pat Murphy couldn't help himself!! BBC already going for the kill!
Murphy has never been a neutral media person, always anti Villa whenever possible, all his observations and comments are Villa negative
It's just a shame we make it so easy these days.
We are a laughing stock far too often, and it's all self inflicted.
Very fucking shitty isn't it!?
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Top left of this page says it all, Pages 1,2,3,4,5 Go Down !!!!!!
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I'm tired of having to take embarrassments like this on the chin. I'm sick of being a Villa fan, writing about them, defending them, paying attention to them. I wish I hadn't bothered getting into football all those years ago.
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I really think I'll die without seeing us win the FA Cup.
I'm almost resigned to it. Sad to say isn't it?
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I've supported lambert. I've wanted to believe. But I'm on the verge of turning I must say. The only thing holding me back is the feeling that with three managers in a row struggling, will the fourth succeed and what on earth would they do with our squad given we don't have much cash. It does feel like we will get relegated sooner or later
I know what you mean, Matt.
I have supported him hugely and still find it hard to admit maybe we'd be better off sacking him, but the problem is, if I mentally tot up all the reasons for keeping him in the job, the list gets shorter and shorter.
The only saving grace is that we've managed too eek out some points this season which maybe last season we wouldn't have, but if you look at the way we are playing, it looks to me like there are two obvious points.
One is that we're going backwards, we do the basics much worse than even last season. The other is that he doesn't seem to have the first idea how to improve it.
If you look at his record since joining, it is nigh on impossible to imagine a manager anywhere else having that record and still being in a job.
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Top left of this page says it all, Pages 1,2,3,4,5 Go Down !!!!!!
It'll take fewer seasons than that.
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Speechless
Decided not to go as son at work and didnt expect much but never this. Outplayed, Outthought so Out of the cup. This on the back of the "comments" (misguided or not) makes us the fans look like idiots - AGAIN.
I've been a supporter of PL since he joined but I just cant see us progressing now, the wounds are too deep and Randy should tear up the so called plan - thats so secret they wont share it with us, the PAYING CUSTOMERS - and start again.
Expect the "renew your season ticket early for a discount" emails soon.......No fucking chance
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Moscow MkII
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Pat Murphy couldn't help himself!! BBC already going for the kill!
Murphy has never been a neutral media person, always anti Villa whenever possible, all his observations and comments are Villa negative
Sounds like he posts on here.
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It doesn't hurt. That's what bothers me. Been telling everyone all week we would lose. Who says Aston Villa are unpredictable. I got into the Villa two years after the relegation season. With the exception of a couple of defeats to Blues in the early 2000s and the 4-0 at home to Blackburn early in 1997-98 season I can honestly say all the lowest points for me as a Villa supporter have occurred in the last two years under Paul Lambert. We can knock McCleish all we like but he had one season, Lamberts had nearly two and fuck me this is worse.
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Shocking absolutly shocking. This was a League 1 side and they deservedly beat us. I like to now what sort team talk Lambert dished out before the game and at half time after his midweek bollox?
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Pat Murphy couldn't help himself!! BBC already going for the kill!
Murphy has never been a neutral media person, always anti Villa whenever possible, all his observations and comments are Villa negative
To be fair you don't have to put an angle on anything to make it negative about Villa, the club is doing that by itself.
Murphy could always find negativity about Villa even on the few good days. we just make it so easy now.
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Even an imbecile could see that no good would ever come of Lambert saying what he said, true or not. It heaped pressure on him, sent out the wrong message to the fans and players, and probably geed up Sheffield United. And even then the side he put out should have been good enough to get through but no, we got turned over good and proper at home by a team 50 places below us.
Absolute shambles.
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Expect the "renew your season ticket early for a discount" emails soon.......No fucking chance
Might be cheaper in the Championship.
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I've supported lambert. I've wanted to believe. But I'm on the verge of turning I must say. The only thing holding me back is the feeling that with three managers in a row struggling, will the fourth succeed and what on earth would they do with our squad given we don't have much cash. It does feel like we will get relegated sooner or later
I know what you mean, Matt.
I have supported him hugely and still find it hard to admit maybe we'd be better off sacking him, but the problem is, if I mentally tot up all the reasons for keeping him in the job, the list gets shorter and shorter.
The only saving grace is that we've managed too eek out some points this season which maybe last season we wouldn't have, but if you look at the way we are playing, it looks to me like there are two obvious points.
One is that we're going backwards, we do the basics much worse than even last season. The other is that he doesn't seem to have the first idea how to improve it.
And it's that last point that worries me the most, Sherwood made an immediate impact at Spuds with Adebayour and yet Lambert seems incapable of turning around the complete loss of form & confidence of his talisman Benteke.
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Pat Murphy couldn't help himself!! BBC already going for the kill!
What do you expect How many records have we broken in the past few seasons for home form, heavy defeats and losing to lower leage opposition on our own ground?
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Shocking absolutly shocking. This was a League 1 side and they deservedly beat us. I like to now what sort team talk Lambert dished out before the game and at half time after his midweek bollox?
Yep, the club should offer a refund the those that went, he wasn't bothered...we lost.
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Well we're off to get some beer and listen to The Cure and Morrissey all night.
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He's the shittest manager at the Villa since Billy mcneill.
Is he still in charge?
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I'm just gutted that I didn't see the 7/1 odds for a Blades win.
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Pat Murphy couldn't help himself!! BBC already going for the kill!
Murphy has never been a neutral media person, always anti Villa whenever possible, all his observations and comments are Villa negative
We today he can fill his boots..plenty negative stuff.
I disagree - I think he is generally pretty spot on about us. And often says what we are saying on here.
And any journo will be licking their lips at any possible cup upset, particularly us given the media focus since Thursday ( and our atrocious performances in the cup under Lambert)
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Regular relegation battles, regular cup exits to lower league clubs, regular piss taking from fans of local rivals even when they are in a worse position, regular ridicule and pity by national and local media, fuckin hell its miserable.
This.
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At least we won't have to worry about signing cup tied players...gallows humour
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He's the shittest manager at the Villa since Billy mcneill.
Is he still in charge?
Sadly, yes. I wonder what guff he'll come out with in the post match interviews? He truly is out of his depth at Aston Villa.
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I was in the pub copping it from all angles. Laughing stock. Absolute laughing stock.
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I was surprised to see OGS go to Cardiff but maybe on meeting lerner last year and hearing how he wanted the club to be run he was perhaps somewhat wise to give us a wide berth .
Perhaps he wasn't impressed by Lerner ?
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The thing is now that I don't even get the piss taking texts off people when we suffer our next inevitable humiliation.
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Well at least the managerial candidate who rejected us in 2012 got off to a flier. Let's hope he doesn't help rub salt into the wounds come May
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Lambert has had 35-40 million since taking charge. Enough to assemble a decent side.
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It doesn't hurt. That's what bothers me. Been telling everyone all week we would lose. Who says Aston Villa are unpredictable. I got into the Villa two years after the relegation season. With the exception of a couple of defeats to Blues in the early 2000s and the 4-0 at home to Blackburn early in 1997-98 season I can honestly say all the lowest points for me as a Villa supporter have occurred in the last two years under Paul Lambert. We can knock McCleish all we like but he had one season, Lamberts had nearly two and fuck me this is worse.
7 at chavski, fulham, doncaster, burnley, sheff utd, leicester, qpr. All low points before Lambert.
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Pat Murphy couldn't help himself!! BBC already going for the kill!
Murphy has never been a neutral media person, always anti Villa whenever possible, all his observations and comments are Villa negative
We today he can fill his boots..plenty negative stuff.
I disagree - I think he is generally pretty spot on about us. And often says what we are saying on here.
And any journo will be licking their lips at any possible cup upset, particularly us given the media focus since Thursday ( and our atrocious performances in the cup under Lambert)
sorry, I meant he doesn't need to be negative on purpose after today.
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I was surprised to see OGS go to Cardiff but maybe on meeting lerner last year and hearing how he wanted the club to be run he was perhaps somewhat wise to give us a wide berth .
Perhaps he wasn't impressed by Lerner ?
He chose Tan over Lerner? Good choice
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I'm just gutted that I didn't see the 7/1 odds for a Blades win.
I had 6/1 on them winning 2-1 the very second we pulled it back to 1-1. You just knew it was going to happen.
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I was surprised to see OGS go to Cardiff but maybe on meeting lerner last year and hearing how he wanted the club to be run he was perhaps somewhat wise to give us a wide berth .
Perhaps he wasn't impressed by Lerner ?
It's obvious. He was informed of what his budget would be at Villa, burst out laughing and quickly left.
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It's times like this the best thing to do is simply to forget about villa until we play next. There's no point stewing any more
We know we're shit. We'll still probably be fine this season because despite not being a good team there's enough about us to get 16 more points this season (it's only 4 more wins and four draws) and we know that lambert won't leave mid season unless things get really terrible. What's the point in getting angsty?
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I've supported lambert. I've wanted to believe. But I'm on the verge of turning I must say. The only thing holding me back is the feeling that with three managers in a row struggling, will the fourth succeed and what on earth would they do with our squad given we don't have much cash. It does feel like we will get relegated sooner or later
Didn't see the game today, but it sounded awful. Did Shef utd really look more composed on the ball than us?
I'm really getting sick of being embarrassed by villa.
I am in the same position Matt otherwise I see no reason to keep him.
Oh and yes I was there and Sheffield Utd were the better team by a mile.
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It's so pissed off about this - it's just so bloody predictable. I even told my kids this morning we would probably lose. The manager and players obviously don't give a toss about the FA Cup so why should we give a toss about the team / club? Why did Villa even bother to enter? Full credit to all the supporters who were there - the only heroes anywhere near Villa Park.
I've tried my best to support Lambert and Lerner but I'm seriously pissed off with where we are. Something has got to change. Home form is unacceptable by any standards and Lambert has been unable to address that so regrettably I think he should go.
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Paul, when you were appointed I remember saying "We want to get Villa Park rocking in unison"
I presume you meant rocking in a chair asleep with boredom?
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It doesn't hurt. That's what bothers me. Been telling everyone all week we would lose. Who says Aston Villa are unpredictable. I got into the Villa two years after the relegation season. With the exception of a couple of defeats to Blues in the early 2000s and the 4-0 at home to Blackburn early in 1997-98 season I can honestly say all the lowest points for me as a Villa supporter have occurred in the last two years under Paul Lambert. We can knock McCleish all we like but he had one season, Lamberts had nearly two and fuck me this is worse.
7 at chavski, fulham, doncaster, burnley, sheff utd, leicester, qpr. All low points before Lambert.
7-1 at chavski was in a decent season same with the O'Neill cup defeats to Leicester and Sheff Wed. They were weaker teams we put out. Doncaster I will admit I forgot but by heck at least the O'Leary team put up a bit more fight in most of the matches and looked a bit more clued up, I've never imagined ever saying that about O'Leary's latter team.
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Lambert has had 35-40 million since taking charge. Enough to assemble a decent side.
I'm not sure it is from scratch. Lambert has ditched every single player he inherited bar the kids.
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Tonight myself and Lady Ron are going to the pantomine so I had to leave early. Thats two effin pantomines in one day!!
Highlight of the day. Meeting Leeg and UK Redsocks before the match.
Lowlights. Everything else.
Mr Lambert will not resign,why should he?. His job is stonewall safe.
This is worse than even 66-68 and thats impossible. I cannot see any light at the end of the tunnel.In fact I cannot even see the beginning of the tunnel.
I just wish something would happen.....anything will do!
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I've supported lambert. I've wanted to believe. But I'm on the verge of turning I must say. The only thing holding me back is the feeling that with three managers in a row struggling, will the fourth succeed and what on earth would they do with our squad given we don't have much cash. It does feel like we will get relegated sooner or later
Didn't see the game today, but it sounded awful. Did Shef utd really look more composed on the ball than us?
I'm really getting sick of being embarrassed by villa.
If you'd been there, you wouldn't just be on the verge of turning I promise you.
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But Hoolahan might be signing.
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I posted this in the match thread but just can't even explain and get my head around how he still has a job?
In 18 months
- almost relegated
- league struggle again
- worst home record in all divisions
- dumped out the FA Cup TWICE by Millwall and league 1 Sheff United
- dumped out of a cup semi by Bradford
- signed and 'coached' his own players and created this abysmal team
I've had enough of this man. I've got a stinking hang over but I'm cracking the beer back open as this is beyond sad for our beloved club.
Hope the cup comments PL made is the straw that broke the camels back. I'm off to open the beer and hope to come back on here later to the news that Lamberks resigned
Sums it up for me too... what a legacy...
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Seems pointless picking on individual players but I think Weiman must have something on Lambert. He has been truly dreadful since the start of the season but surpassed himself today. Hard to believe he's a professional footballer.
I've been going since 71 but could weep with anger and frustration at what has happened to tho club in the last two or three years. I really wish I didn't care.
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It doesn't hurt. That's what bothers me. Been telling everyone all week we would lose. Who says Aston Villa are unpredictable. I got into the Villa two years after the relegation season. With the exception of a couple of defeats to Blues in the early 2000s and the 4-0 at home to Blackburn early in 1997-98 season I can honestly say all the lowest points for me as a Villa supporter have occurred in the last two years under Paul Lambert. We can knock McCleish all we like but he had one season, Lamberts had nearly two and fuck me this is worse.
7 at chavski, fulham, doncaster, burnley, sheff utd, leicester, qpr. All low points before Lambert.
We're those results over an 18 month period like it is with Lambert?
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Seen some comments - albeit on Twitter - about scrapping in the tunnel and Clark having a go at Villa fans. Any confirmation?
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The thing is now that I don't even get the piss taking texts off people when we suffer our next inevitable humiliation.
No My Southampton supporting mates and plastic southerners don't bother either, it's too easy for them! There's no sport in it for them!
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Even an imbecile could see that no good would ever come of Lambert saying what he said, true or not. It heaped pressure on him, sent out the wrong message to the fans and players, and probably geed up Sheffield United. And even then the side he put out should have been good enough to get through but no, we got turned over good and proper at home by a team 50 places below us.
Absolute shambles.
Completely agree, and I'm surprised as I had him down as being a bit more savvy than that.
I've turned I reckon. It's a shame, but not as much as forking out good money to watch sub-McLeish performances.
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Lerner wants the debts down to a manageable level before he sells. The bright future consists of staying above water until that happens. Meanwhile we pay our money to watch that fucking shite week after week after week.
This once proud football club is a now a national joke.
Lambert is a dead man walking, irrespective of the remainder of the season. Season ticket sales will be the final nail, once the fans turn there's no way back. In some ways you could feel sorry for him because he's stuck between our expectations and the limitations being put on him by Lerner. But putting these aside, like the squad he has assembled, he's clearly out of his depth.
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It doesn't hurt. That's what bothers me. Been telling everyone all week we would lose. Who says Aston Villa are unpredictable. I got into the Villa two years after the relegation season. With the exception of a couple of defeats to Blues in the early 2000s and the 4-0 at home to Blackburn early in 1997-98 season I can honestly say all the lowest points for me as a Villa supporter have occurred in the last two years under Paul Lambert. We can knock McCleish all we like but he had one season, Lamberts had nearly two and fuck me this is worse.
7 at chavski, fulham, doncaster, burnley, sheff utd, leicester, qpr. All low points before Lambert.
We're those results over an 18 month period like it is with Lambert?
If you bothered to read my posts you'd realise I'm not defending Lambert at all. Simply pointing out that there are a depressingly high number of low points following Villa. Regardless of who is manager.
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But Hoolahan might be signing.
Is he the East Anglian Messi?
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We can knock McCleish all we like but he had one season, Lamberts had nearly two and fuck me this is worse.
Totally agree. McLeish deserved criticism for the way his teams play, but at least he had the nous to set a formation and get his players to follow that instruction.
This lot don't look like they know where they should be, when they should run, when they should pass etc etc. They ain't the most talented bunch but neither are Sheffield Utd, Millwall or Bradford and they all showed us up for what we are unmotivated and poorly organised, both of which come from a lack of quality management level.
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These comments about Lambert not seeing in next season are also depressing, because I don't think I can wait until then for something to change.
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Lambert won't be sacked. Lerner has no higher expectations than this. They may as well be laughing in your face. Oh to be a Cleveland browns fan.
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Paul Lambert can do without the FA Cup.
Aston Villa can probably do without Paul Lambert too.
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Seems pointless picking on individual players but I think Weiman must have something on Lambert. He has been truly dreadful since the start of the season but surpassed himself today. Hard to believe he's a professional footballer.
I've been going since 71 but could weep with anger and frustration at what has happened to tho club in the last two or three years. I really wish I didn't care.
I was just about to post about Weimann. I think today I saw the definitive bad performance by a Villa player. To be fair I thought he was putting in the effort but I can't recall him doing anything right whatsoever. It is staggering how far he has fallen.
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The thing is now that I don't even get the piss taking texts off people when we suffer our next inevitable humiliation.
No My Southampton supporting mates and plastic southerners don't bother either, it's too easy for them! There's no sport in it for them!
I know a Southampton fan from Northern Ireland through work. I don't know him well enough for him to know I am a villa fan and I only discovered he was a Southampton fan when he added me on twitter. Anyway, long story short, a few weeks ago I broached the subject of him being a Southampton fan but before I got a chance to tell him I was villa he burst into a long rant about how pissed off he was they lost to'fucking Aston Villa an absolutely dire side knocking on the door of relegation for years'.
He was really embarrassed and apologetic when I sheepishly told him I was Villa. But, that's how we are seen. An Arsenal fan I know doesn't tease me anymore. Just comes in with a sympathetic look on a Monday and a 'yee will be fine' after the latest loss.
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Paul Lambert can do without the FA Cup.
Aston Villa can probably do without Paul Lambert too.
borrowed!
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I was surprised to see OGS go to Cardiff but maybe on meeting lerner last year and hearing how he wanted the club to be run he was perhaps somewhat wise to give us a wide berth .
Perhaps he wasn't impressed by Lerner ?
It's obvious. He was informed of what his budget would be at Villa, burst out laughing and quickly left.
I didn't think he was offered the job
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Lerner wants the debts down to a manageable level before he sells. The bright future consists of staying above water until that happens. Meanwhile we pay our money to watch that fucking shite week after week after week.
This once proud football club is a now a national joke.
Lambert is a dead man walking, irrespective of the remainder of the season. Season ticket sales will be the final nail, once the fans turn there's no way back. In some ways you could feel sorry for him because he's stuck between our expectations and the limitations being put on him by Lerner. But putting these aside, like the squad he has assembled, he's clearly out of his depth.
Unfortunately the only thing that Lerner et al seem to care about and react to, are finances. They don't care if they serve up utter drivel week after week as long as people keep paying the money to watch it.
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Haven't read the rest of the opinions yet, so my first question must be, in the time is has taken me to get home, has that twat been sacked yet?
In the 12 months since the Bradford debacle, he has learned the sim total of fuck all.
Yet another embarrassment brought on the club by him, how many more do we need to endure?
Fuck him off now, and take the shower of shite on the pitch with him.
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I was surprised to see OGS go to Cardiff but maybe on meeting lerner last year and hearing how he wanted the club to be run he was perhaps somewhat wise to give us a wide berth .
Perhaps he wasn't impressed by Lerner ?
It's obvious. He was informed of what his budget would be at Villa, burst out laughing and quickly left.
I didn't think he was offered the job
He was flown over by Lerner for talks and then he rang lerner and said he didn't wish to be considered anymore - wasnt offered the job but probably would have been had he wanted it .
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Weimann got the comfy new contract and has never been the same. The hunger, pace, everything has gone and now looks totally disinterested.
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Seems pointless picking on individual players but I think Weiman must have something on Lambert. He has been truly dreadful since the start of the season but surpassed himself today. Hard to believe he's a professional footballer.
I've been going since 71 but could weep with anger and frustration at what has happened to tho club in the last two or three years. I really wish I didn't care.
I was just about to post about Weimann. I think today I saw the definitive bad performance by a Villa player. To be fair I thought he was putting in the effort but I can't recall him doing anything right whatsoever. It is staggering how far he has fallen.
Weiman has been playing awful for months now, we can all see that Tonev is not up to it but Lambert just keeps playing them
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Haven't read the rest of the opinions yet, so my first question must be, in the time is has taken me to get home, has that twat been sacked yet?
In the 12 months since the Bradford debacle, he has learned the sim total of fuck all.
Yet another embarrassment brought on the club by him, how many more do we need to endure?
Fuck him off now, and take the shower of shite on the pitch with him.
He won't be sacked sadly :(
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It doesn't hurt. That's what bothers me. Been telling everyone all week we would lose. Who says Aston Villa are unpredictable. I got into the Villa two years after the relegation season. With the exception of a couple of defeats to Blues in the early 2000s and the 4-0 at home to Blackburn early in 1997-98 season I can honestly say all the lowest points for me as a Villa supporter have occurred in the last two years under Paul Lambert. We can knock McCleish all we like but he had one season, Lamberts had nearly two and fuck me this is worse.
7 at chavski, fulham, doncaster, burnley, sheff utd, leicester, qpr. All low points before Lambert.
We're those results over an 18 month period like it is with Lambert?
If you bothered to read my posts you'd realise I'm not defending Lambert at all. Simply pointing out that there are a depressingly high number of low points following Villa. Regardless of who is manager.
Of course you're defending him, it's all you ever do. The difference between Lambert and other Villa managers is that under Lambert there's been nothing but low points during his tenure. Wake up and smell the coffee, the club is in decline no matter how much some of us fall for the "young and hungry" lie.
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My boss is a Nose. You can imagine how the last 12 months have been for me most Monday mornings.
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Lambert won't be sacked. Lerner has no higher expectations than this. They may as well be laughing in your face. Oh to be a Cleveland browns fan.
That's the scary part.
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My boss is a Nose. You can imagine how the last 12 months have been for me most Monday mornings.
Given how his club are doing I would have thought he would be keeping his head down.
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How much more of this have we got to put up with ? It's embarrassing .
Sack him - NOW .
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I was surprised to see OGS go to Cardiff but maybe on meeting lerner last year and hearing how he wanted the club to be run he was perhaps somewhat wise to give us a wide berth .
Perhaps he wasn't impressed by Lerner ?
It's obvious. He was informed of what his budget would be at Villa, burst out laughing and quickly left.
I didn't think he was offered the job
Of course he was!
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My boss is a Nose. You can imagine how the last 12 months have been for me most Monday mornings.
Given how his club are doing I would have thought he would be keeping his head down.
I don't have much to respond with, given that I know piss all about his team or their form.
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"But Hoolahan might be signing."
" Is he the East Anglian Messi?"
No we're getting Major Hoolahan from MASH........ Great signing!
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Whatever the problem is, it is not buying lower league no-marks or Lerner setting wage caps. Nigel Cough would dream of having any of our squad at his disposal and whatever we spend on wages it will be substantially more than Sheffield United.
Lambert has a lot to answer for in the way we are set up to play. Today was just as knuckle headed as piling strikers on against Bradford City last year. Utterly baffling.
If ever there was a time to put Donacien in the team it was today. We could be playing Arsenal with one fit centre back and a debutant, or just plain one fit centre back. Genius. Central midfield is an absolute disaster area and has been for longer that is decent. His insistence on playing lop sided teams would make O'Neill beam with pride, and probably does.
This is so fucking annoying. A further two years down the line and avoiding relegation will be a result. Maybe Rodney Marsh had a point. Bastard.
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Young and hungry lmao there isn't a single player in the squad who is hungry to get on the ball and show the way and as for Lambert he's just going through the motions. He's like Mike bassett 4-3 fucking 3 week in week out, he needs a bomb up his arse to motivate him, just what does he say to these players, they look like they're in a coma.
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Paul Lambert can do without the FA Cup.
Aston Villa can probably do without Paul Lambert too.
This
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All those who thought "well if they're not bothered then neither will I", you were absolutely right.
Strangely enough Helenius looked decent.
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The reason we are getting such a shalacking from every quarter is that we deserve it. There's a time to be stoic and face it out. I think that time has passed. The clock is ticking on a Villa manager once again.
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Of course you're defending him, it's all you ever do. The difference between Lambert and other Villa managers is that under Lambert there's been nothing but low points during his tenure. Wake up and smell the coffee, the club is in decline no matter how much some of us fall for the "young and hungry" lie.
Yeah it's all I ever do. Not like you to over react is it.
From the How Would You Feel thread.
Disappointed it didn't work, I really wanted it to, but to be honest right now there would be some relief as we are having too many poor performances and results under him. I don't think he will go though.
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@Villamark1982: @Amar_Avfc rumour is lambert has had a bust up in the tunnel after the game with players. Lost the dressing room.
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Alan Green has now mentioned the Villa score three times telling everyone to remember what Lambert said earlier in the week! Bet he gets to five before the end of the game he is commentating on! Well offering his crap chat anyhow! He's complaining about people going for a pie, like this only happens at Arsenal!!!!
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Quite a few posters have described today as a new low and who would argue with that. However I can't help feeling that there will be more 'new lows' before this season is over. Consider impending matches against Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton etc. more humiliation to come I fear.
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@Villamark1982: @Amar_Avfc rumour is lambert has had a bust up in the tunnel after the game with players. Lost the dressing room.
it's just on the left down the tunnel!
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The difference between Lambert and other Villa managers is that under Lambert there's been nothing but low points during his tenure. Wake up and smell the coffee, the club is in decline no matter how much some of us fall for the "young and hungry" lie.
About as good a summing up of the whole sorry mess as i've read on here. Thanks you
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@Villamark1982: @Amar_Avfc rumour is lambert has had a bust up in the tunnel after the game with players. Lost the dressing room.
that didn't take long if true, two games ago they were running to him in solidarity! hah!
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It doesn't look like anything is going to improve either.
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@Villamark1982: @Amar_Avfc rumour is lambert has had a bust up in the tunnel after the game with players. Lost the dressing room.
Nothing from the mainstream media about this, and it's hard to miss a tunnel fight if you're a matchday journo so I'll believe it when I see it there.
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@Villamark1982: @Amar_Avfc rumour is lambert has had a bust up in the tunnel after the game with players. Lost the dressing room.
Nothing from the mainstream media about this, and it's hard to miss a tunnel fight if you're a matchday journo so I'll believe it when I see it there.
Haven't we got a poster on here that works in and around the tunnel area?
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Of course you're defending him, it's all you ever do. The difference between Lambert and other Villa managers is that under Lambert there's been nothing but low points during his tenure. Wake up and smell the coffee, the club is in decline no matter how much some of us fall for the "young and hungry" lie.
Yeah it's all I ever do. Not like you to over react is it.
From the How Would You Feel thread.
Disappointed it didn't work, I really wanted it to, but to be honest right now there would be some relief as we are having too many poor performances and results under him. I don't think he will go though.
Over react? While you were shooting your load over the "young and hungry" lie before the start of last season I was telling you we were in for a relegation battle. We all know how that one worked out don't we?
Oh and before you go on about me being a doom and gloom merchant, well I can tell you now I was always a positive Villa fan before Lerner started with all his cut backs a few years ago, and if you really want to you can always check back on my posts from before that time to find out. The only reason I'm always seem to be on a downer is because I'm reflecting what I see on the pitch. There's nothing sinister going on you know, I am a Villa fan.
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Haven't we got a poster on here that works in and around the tunnel area?
Isn't that Hookeysmith?
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what's next in this "vision" we keep hearing about. bottom three come Feb I'd wager
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Sadly I think it's time for Lambert to go, I really don't want us to be one of those clubs who sack the manager every year or so but enough is enough.
Randy should cur his losses and go too, find a buyer and do one.
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Quite a few posters have described today as a new low and who would argue with that. However I can't help feeling that there will be more 'new lows' before this season is over. Consider impending matches against Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton etc. more humiliation to come I fear.
Thing is we were saying the same last season and that didn't happen, and they know they have to invest. This isn't really a new low when you think of the teams that have knocked us out in the last few years. It's just another shit day in the cup.
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@Villamark1982: @Amar_Avfc rumour is lambert has had a bust up in the tunnel after the game with players. Lost the dressing room.
Nothing from the mainstream media about this, and it's hard to miss a tunnel fight if you're a matchday journo so I'll believe it when I see it there.
Whether he's lost the players or not, the players have looked lost this season in regards to what the hell they're meant to be doing on the pitch. I genuinely believe that many other managers could do better with the resources we have at our disposal.
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@Villamark1982: @Amar_Avfc rumour is lambert has had a bust up in the tunnel after the game with players. Lost the dressing room.
Let's hope so because it may force change.
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@StanCollymore: Congratulations Sheffield United, well played.
Villa, owner, manager, players. Need to do some explaining. Not good enough anymore.
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@Villamark1982: @Amar_Avfc rumour is lambert has had a bust up in the tunnel after the game with players. Lost the dressing room.
it's just on the left down the tunnel!
LOL
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@Villamark1982: @Amar_Avfc rumour is lambert has had a bust up in the tunnel after the game with players. Lost the dressing room.
Nothing from the mainstream media about this, and it's hard to miss a tunnel fight if you're a matchday journo so I'll believe it when I see it there.
Whether he's lost the players or not, the players have looked lost this season in regards to what the hell they're meant to be doing on the pitch. I genuinely believe that many other managers could do better with the resources we have at our disposal.
If he hasn't lost the players he is quickly losing the fans...
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Yes over react. You said I only ever support Lambert when I quite blatantly don't. I've criticised him a number of times, especially this season., That is you over reacting. Feel free to apologise in your own time for making things up.
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we Live in Yorkshire, the nearest prem club is Hull. Now most of the kids at my sons school support the sky 4. My son supports the Villa for me. Each week he is getting the piss taken out of him by these plastic kids. Tonight he asked me if he can support Man City like his mates. I'm finding it hard to say no
Same for me except its Chelsea as we live in the south.
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Murphy spouting poison again!
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Of course you're defending him, it's all you ever do. The difference between Lambert and other Villa managers is that under Lambert there's been nothing but low points during his tenure. Wake up and smell the coffee, the club is in decline no matter how much some of us fall for the "young and hungry" lie.
Yeah it's all I ever do. Not like you to over react is it.
From the How Would You Feel thread.
Disappointed it didn't work, I really wanted it to, but to be honest right now there would be some relief as we are having too many poor performances and results under him. I don't think he will go though.
Over react? While you were shooting your load over the "young and hungry" lie before the start of last season I was telling you we were in for a relegation battle. We all know how that one worked out don't we?
Oh and before you go on about me being a doom and gloom merchant, well I can tell you now I was always a positive Villa fan before Lerner started with all his cut backs a few years ago, and if you really want to you can always check back on my posts from before that time to find out. The only reason I'm always seem to be on a downer is because I'm reflecting what I see on the pitch. There's nothing sinister going on you know, I am a Villa fan.
You putting up the bunting? You sound happy things are the way they are and you can stick your finger in the face of others claiming you were right all along. Others just wanted to give the project a chance. You never, ever did. That's the bit you are missing entirely.
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The Villa spin machine (and Lambert) have apparently now claimed the journalist that broke the FA CUP GATE story now regrets it. However the journalist himself says he does nothing of the sort. Slightly embarrassing
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we Live in Yorkshire, the nearest prem club is Hull. Now most of the kids at my sons school support the sky 4. My son supports the Villa for me. Each week he is getting the piss taken out of him by these plastic kids. Tonight he asked me if he can support Man City like his mates. I'm finding it hard to say no
Same for me except its Chelsea as we live in the south.
And me - my 8 year old has told me this evening that Villa are his third team....his second are Palace.
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Quite a few posters have described today as a new low and who would argue with that. However I can't help feeling that there will be more 'new lows' before this season is over. Consider impending matches against Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton etc. more humiliation to come I fear.
Thing is we were saying the same last season and that didn't happen, and they know they have to invest. This isn't really a new low when you think of the teams that have knocked us out in the last few years. It's just another shit day in the cup.
I can only think of two worse in our history than today.
Fulham - at home the game Collymore walked out. At least Fulham were top of the third division that day
Bradford - say no more...
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The Villa spin machine (and Lambert) have apparently now claimed the journalist that broke the FA CUP GATE story now regrets it. However the journalist himself says he does nothing of the sort. Slightly embarrassing
Maybe he should explain that performance rather than deflecting attention away by commenting on what he did or didn't say.
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Of course you're defending him, it's all you ever do. The difference between Lambert and other Villa managers is that under Lambert there's been nothing but low points during his tenure. Wake up and smell the coffee, the club is in decline no matter how much some of us fall for the "young and hungry" lie.
Yeah it's all I ever do. Not like you to over react is it.
From the How Would You Feel thread.
Disappointed it didn't work, I really wanted it to, but to be honest right now there would be some relief as we are having too many poor performances and results under him. I don't think he will go though.
Over react? While you were shooting your load over the "young and hungry" lie before the start of last season I was telling you we were in for a relegation battle. We all know how that one worked out don't we?
Oh and before you go on about me being a doom and gloom merchant, well I can tell you now I was always a positive Villa fan before Lerner started with all his cut backs a few years ago, and if you really want to you can always check back on my posts from before that time to find out. The only reason I'm always seem to be on a downer is because I'm reflecting what I see on the pitch. There's nothing sinister going on you know, I am a Villa fan.
You putting up the bunting? You sound happy things are the way they are and you can stick your finger in the face of others claiming you were right all along. Others just wanted to give the project a chance. You never, ever did. That's the bit you are missing entirely.
Actually I'm just taking down the decorations.
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The Villa spin machine (and Lambert) have apparently now claimed the journalist that broke the FA CUP GATE story now regrets it. However the journalist himself says he does nothing of the sort. Slightly embarrassing
Is that Mark Regan?
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You putting up the bunting? You sound happy things are the way they are and you can stick your finger in the face of others claiming you were right all along. Others just wanted to give the project a chance. You never, ever did. That's the bit you are missing entirely.
"The project" *buries head in hands*
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23362207
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Well that was shit.
I still don't think he should be sacked though.
We need investment.
Totally agree, he can't spend any money, that's the top an bottom of it. So who do we get if PL gets sacked, any new manager will want a guaranteed budget.
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Quite a few posters have described today as a new low and who would argue with that. However I can't help feeling that there will be more 'new lows' before this season is over. Consider impending matches against Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton etc. more humiliation to come I fear.
Thing is we were saying the same last season and that didn't happen, and they know they have to invest. This isn't really a new low when you think of the teams that have knocked us out in the last few years. It's just another shit day in the cup.
I can only think of two worse in our history than today.
Fulham - at home the game Collymore walked out. At least Fulham were top of the third division that day
Bradford - say no more...
Bradford will always be my most shameful Villa moment. My most disappointing was the 2000 FA Cup Final, but the stick I took last season drove me close to quitting my job.
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Quite a few posters have described today as a new low and who would argue with that. However I can't help feeling that there will be more 'new lows' before this season is over. Consider impending matches against Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton etc. more humiliation to come I fear.
Thing is we were saying the same last season and that didn't happen, and they know they have to invest. This isn't really a new low when you think of the teams that have knocked us out in the last few years. It's just another shit day in the cup.
I can only think of two worse in our history than today.
Fulham - at home the game Collymore walked out. At least Fulham were top of the third division that day
Bradford - say no more...
Doncaster
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I'm just gutted that I didn't see the 7/1 odds for a Blades win.
I had 6/1 on them winning 2-1 the very second we pulled it back to 1-1. You just knew it was going to happen.
As soon as I saw it I had to put it on. I'm not happy about it, but at least I got a return for us being utterly shit. Still not managed to smile, times like today I wish I still drank so I could spend the money destroying my liver.
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I was surprised to see OGS go to Cardiff but maybe on meeting lerner last year and hearing how he wanted the club to be run he was perhaps somewhat wise to give us a wide berth .
Perhaps he wasn't impressed by Lerner ?
It's obvious. He was informed of what his budget would be at Villa, burst out laughing and quickly left.
I didn't think he was offered the job
Of course he was!
So you know this as a fact or as an educated guess?
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Quite a few posters have described today as a new low and who would argue with that. However I can't help feeling that there will be more 'new lows' before this season is over. Consider impending matches against Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton etc. more humiliation to come I fear.
Thing is we were saying the same last season and that didn't happen, and they know they have to invest. This isn't really a new low when you think of the teams that have knocked us out in the last few years. It's just another shit day in the cup.
I can only think of two worse in our history than today.
Fulham - at home the game Collymore walked out. At least Fulham were top of the third division that day
Bradford - say no more...
Doncaster. Which remains the worst for me, even worse than Bradford.
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Quite a few posters have described today as a new low and who would argue with that. However I can't help feeling that there will be more 'new lows' before this season is over. Consider impending matches against Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton etc. more humiliation to come I fear.
Thing is we were saying the same last season and that didn't happen, and they know they have to invest. This isn't really a new low when you think of the teams that have knocked us out in the last few years. It's just another shit day in the cup.
I can only think of two worse in our history than today.
Fulham - at home the game Collymore walked out. At least Fulham were top of the third division that day
Bradford - say no more...
Doncaster
It's up there, but it was away from home in the League Cup. At home to a bottom of the division third level team is plumbing the depths.
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You putting up the bunting? You sound happy things are the way they are and you can stick your finger in the face of others claiming you were right all along. Others just wanted to give the project a chance. You never, ever did. That's the bit you are missing entirely.
"The project" *buries head in hands*
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23362207
Exactly. The "project" was a lie. Cutbacks wrapped up in ribbons. Some of us didn't fall for it and got stick for saying it.
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Sadly I think it's time for Lambert to go, I really don't want us to be one of those clubs who sack the manager every year or so but enough is enough.
Randy should cur his losses and go too, find a buyer and do one.
They both should go. The lack of vitriol aimed at Lerner never ceases to amaze me. Our absentee owner displays all the football nous of a retarded sea cucumber. I can't wait for the day the stupid yank prick fucks off. We're screwed while the retarded septic remains....
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Murphy spouting poison again!
I'd be spouting a lot more if I were sat in front of that inept manager. He knows he's bulletproof, unsackable, so a few home truths wouldnt do him any harm.
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I was surprised to see OGS go to Cardiff but maybe on meeting lerner last year and hearing how he wanted the club to be run he was perhaps somewhat wise to give us a wide berth .
Perhaps he wasn't impressed by Lerner ?
It's obvious. He was informed of what his budget would be at Villa, burst out laughing and quickly left.
I didn't think he was offered the job
Of course he was!
So you know this as a fact or as an educated guess?
The latter. I doubt if someone would send a private jet half way around the world to someone's backyard to pick him up for an interview if they weren't going to offer them the job.
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Mods Put a stop to that please
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You putting up the bunting? You sound happy things are the way they are and you can stick your finger in the face of others claiming you were right all along. Others just wanted to give the project a chance. You never, ever did. That's the bit you are missing entirely.
"The project" *buries head in hands*
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23362207
Exactly. The "project" was a lie. Cutbacks wrapped up in ribbons. Some of us didn't fall for it and got stick for saying it.
Ah yes, some of us...you mean you two. It doesn't what you call it, the measures needed to be taken. Or maybe you think Lerner should have stuck with MON and sent us into oblivion? Neither of you have a solution other than being critical of everything.
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Quite a few posters have described today as a new low and who would argue with that. However I can't help feeling that there will be more 'new lows' before this season is over. Consider impending matches against Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton etc. more humiliation to come I fear.
Thing is we were saying the same last season and that didn't happen, and they know they have to invest. This isn't really a new low when you think of the teams that have knocked us out in the last few years. It's just another shit day in the cup.
I can only think of two worse in our history than today.
Fulham - at home the game Collymore walked out. At least Fulham were top of the third division that day
Bradford - say no more...
Doncaster
It's up there, but it was away from home in the League Cup. At home to a bottom of the division third level team is plumbing the depths.
Doncaster was a rotten night and a long drive home back to Hampshire!
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Sadly I think it's time for Lambert to go, I really don't want us to be one of those clubs who sack the manager every year or so but enough is enough.
Randy should cur his losses and go too, find a buyer and do one.
They both should go. The lack of vitriol aimed at Lerner never ceases to amaze me. Our absentee owner displays all the football nous of a retarded sea cucumber. I can't wait for the day the stupid yank prick fucks off. We're screwed while the retarded septic remains....
So you'd be more than happy to throw your money away and lose it it? Top football clubs aren't profit making business's until they're sold on.
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Still no managers reaction from VP?
#AVFC remarkably quiet......
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How many morons (me included) were there today, I didn't actually hear the attendance?
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Still no managers reaction from VP?
#AVFC remarkably quiet......
I wouldn't read too much into that, worse luck.
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The Villa spin machine (and Lambert) have apparently now claimed the journalist that broke the FA CUP GATE story now regrets it. However the journalist himself says he does nothing of the sort. Slightly embarrassing
Yes that's correct. Regan is the journo concerned and he has stood by his story but regrets the fact that other stations plagiarised his words and Villa Press office spent almost 3/4 hours last week pressurising him to drop or heavily modify his story.
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How much longer do we have to suffer Weimann in the team? I can't recall a player showing less effort than him for many a year.
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Oh and one more thing......
Who's dumb idea was it to go sober for Jan (oh that'll be me), god I could murder a beer.
THere's little comfort to be had from sparkling water on a day like this :(
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How many morons (me included) were there today, I didn't actually hear the attendance?
Just over 24000 - 5000 from Sheffield.
Still a lot more than down the road in Sandwell. Which considering the shambles we had to put up with makes it even more upsetting. We deserve so much more.
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Well that was a new low. Dumped out of a cup by lower league opposition AGAIN. We just lost to a team that Walsall beat last week. No excuses now - that's Lambert's squad, bought (or kept) by Lambert, and trained by Lambert and his staff. I wonder which part of his 'project' plan has a milestone of making Aston Villa an embarrassing laughing stock playing shit football week in week out. Oh, and apparently his answer to getting 'experience' in is Hoolahan, who can't even get in the Norwich team. That's Norwich, in a relegation scrap, and he can't get in their team. Well he'll be right at home with us then as none of our players would get in anyone else's team either. I've supported Lambert so far, but as far as I'm concerned he can take his project and fuck right off.
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the stick I took last season drove me close to quitting my job.
I had to go into work on a building site at Dickens Heath in Solihull, populated almost exclusively by Blues fans, after the 0-3 and 0-2 in 02/03. I can face anything now.
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How much longer do we have to suffer Weimann in the team? I can't recall a player showing less effort than him for many a year.
It's not just his effort. He has become useless at everything else as well. He is a liability at the moment.
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How many morons (me included) were there today, I didn't actually hear the attendance?
Just over 24000 - 5000 from Sheffield.
Still a lot more than down the road in Sandwell. Which considering the shambles we had to put up with makes it even more upsetting. We deserve so much more.
The fans have turned up in numbers this season considering the shite we've been served up.
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Oh and one more thing......
Who's dumb idea was it to go sober for Jan (oh that'll be me), god I could murder a beer.
THere's little comfort to be had from sparkling water on a day like this :(
http://www.justgiving.com/Fergal-Keating-dryathlete
What a fucking week to go dry....
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I've always said Weimann was over rated but I'm still amazed how bad he is now. He had a good run of form last season that lasted 2-3 months and that's about it. He works hard but has little natural talent. He's a headless chicken who regularly fails to see what's going on around him, missing the chance to pass to players in a better position.
The fact he can't get into a poor Austria team says it all.
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Well that was a new low. Dumped out of a cup by lower league opposition AGAIN. We just lost to a team that Walsall beat last week. No excuses now - that's Lambert's squad, bought (or kept) by Lambert, and trained by Lambert and his staff. I wonder which part of his 'project' plan has a milestone of making Aston Villa an embarrassing laughing stock playing shit football week in week out. Oh, and apparently his answer to getting 'experience' in is Hoolahan, who can't even get in the Norwich team. That's Norwich, in a relegation scrap, and he can't get in their team. Well he'll be right at home with us then as none of our players would get in anyone else's team either. I've supported Lambert so far, but as far as I'm concerned he can take his project and fuck right off.
Have to agree with that unfortunately. I've felt for a few weeks that Lambert's goose is cooked.
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As sir graham said when he took over in 1987. The whole club is a shambles! Its a lot worse now graham!!!
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Quite a few posters have described today as a new low and who would argue with that. However I can't help feeling that there will be more 'new lows' before this season is over. Consider impending matches against Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton etc. more humiliation to come I fear.
Thing is we were saying the same last season and that didn't happen, and they know they have to invest. This isn't really a new low when you think of the teams that have knocked us out in the last few years. It's just another shit day in the cup.
I can only think of two worse in our history than today.
Fulham - at home the game Collymore walked out. At least Fulham were top of the third division that day
Bradford - say no more...
Doncaster. Which remains the worst for me, even worse than Bradford.
My most disappointing games were the home games against Rapid Wien, I really love the European Games, and to spend two seasons to qualify for Europe and then loose to Rapid Wien were my lowest points. But there have been many, and todays result is amongst the worst, we even deserved to loose to a team placed 18 in League One, with one away win in 12 games. So Depressing
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Mods Put a stop to that please
Mods keep out of here on days like this.
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One other thing that drove me mad today. What don't our full backs overlap? We never stretch teams down the flanks.
Albrighton did pretty well in the first half but they double marked him in the second and we did nothing tactically to counteract it.
Bacuna and Luna barely went past the halfway line all game - at home - against a 3rd division side.
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the stick I took last season drove me close to quitting my job.
I had to go into work on a building site at Dickens Heath in Solihull, populated almost exclusively by Blues fans, after the 0-3 and 0-2 in 02/03. I can face anything now.
My boss takes early retirement come March. Can't wait.
I've resolved not to tell anybody who I support if I have to move jobs, because it's too much of a pain in the arse these days.
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One other thing that drove me mad today. What don't our full backs overlap? We never stretch teams down the flanks.
Albrighton did pretty well in the first half but they double marked him in the second and we did nothing tactically to counteract it.
Bacuna and Luna barely went past the halfway line all game - at home - against a 3rd division side.
Shhh... Don't bring up the actual football. You'll make it worse.
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How much longer do we have to suffer Weimann in the team? I can't recall a player showing less effort than him for many a year.
He has never been good enough, a handful of goals here & there but has never shown any real quality. But in all honesty do we currently have anyone better?
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So third time out of four being outfought and out thought by a lower league team, that is unacceptable and he should walk but won't. We are a shambles of a club and heading one way. As I have said before Lerner and Lambert have put together the most limited squad since 1986.
I was at the match and can only assume that he played Benteke and Weimann in the hope they would get some goals and confidence. Our lack of chance creation is shameful and embarrassing and we can't blame that on injuries but tactics and players. I would have left Tonev in and taken Weimann off. He is not a left winger Lambert! Thought Helenius did ok but against a league 1 defence.
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I just cannot comprehend the 'don't sack him, back him' mindset.
PL has been in charge during the most embarrassing moments in our history.
Not just one or two, but fucking loads.
It's nothing at all to do with investment. We can use that argument when Arsenal fuck us up the arse next week.
For now, we have be played off the park by a 3rd division team....AGAIN!
Today, a 3rd division team showed more heart, desire, class and ability than our lot.
They showed how to pass and move, how to play with pace, power and passion.
A 3rd division on team exposed our bunch of prima donnas time and time again.
It's got fuck all to do with investment today. It's about a 'club' that has given up, a team that is totally inept and a manager who is shite.
Rodney Marsh may be a twat, but he is a twat who was quite right with his comment yesterday.
Don't be upset that we are out of the cup, or the demise of the cup tradition at Villa Park.
Be upset at the demise of Aston Villa FC.
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Quite a few posters have described today as a new low and who would argue with that. However I can't help feeling that there will be more 'new lows' before this season is over. Consider impending matches against Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton etc. more humiliation to come I fear.
Thing is we were saying the same last season and that didn't happen, and they know they have to invest. This isn't really a new low when you think of the teams that have knocked us out in the last few years. It's just another shit day in the cup.
I can only think of two worse in our history than today.
Fulham - at home the game Collymore walked out. At least Fulham were top of the third division that day
Bradford - say no more...
Doncaster. Which remains the worst for me, even worse than Bradford.
My most disappointing games were the home games against Rapid Wien, I really love the European Games, and to spend two seasons to qualify for Europe and then loose to Rapid Wien were my lowest points. But there have been many, and todays result is amongst the worst, we even deserved to loose to a team placed 18 in League One, with one away win in 12 games. So Depressing
Losing 0-2 to Kevin Keegan's Fulham in the FA Cup at VP is mine, that said, seeing him and his team get off the coach at Villa Park that day, they oozed confidence, there was only ever going to be one winner that day.
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Just back from a grey, wet, miserable villa park. It really is a chore now going to home games. The life has been sucked out of the club. Took us 70 mins to have a shot on target today. Truly abysmal.
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I just cannot comprehend the 'don't sack him, back him' mindset.
PL has been in charge during the most embarrassing moments in our history.
Not just one or two, but fucking loads.
It's nothing at all to do with investment. We can use that argument when Arsenal fuck us up the arse next week.
For now, we have be played off the park by a 3rd division team....AGAIN!
Today, a 3rd division team showed more heart, desire, class and ability than our lot.
They showed how to pass and move, how to play with pace, power and passion.
A 3rd division on team exposed our bunch of prima donnas time and time again.
It's got fuck all to do with investment today. It's about a 'club' that has given up, a team that is totally inept and a manager who is shite.
Rodney Marsh may be a twat, but he is a twat who was quite right with his comment yesterday.
Don't be upset that we are out of the cup, or the demise of the cup tradition at Villa Park.
Be upset at the demise of Aston Villa FC.
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They never do nick.Its obvious they are told to not go foward, because tbf to Bacuna he does like to support the attack.
Disappointed but not surprised today.I want PL gone, Slands result might unfortunately, give him a stay of execution until its too late.This bloke will take us down.
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I hate the idea of sacking managers before they've been given sufficient time and money to build their own squad.
But I can't take much more of this shit.
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"But Hoolahan might be signing."
" Is he the East Anglian Messi?"
No we're getting Major Hoolahan from MASH........ Great signing!
Great tits though......should fit in very well with all the others
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I just cannot comprehend the 'don't sack him, back him' mindset.
PL has been in charge during the most embarrassing moments in our history.
Not just one or two, but fucking loads.
It's nothing at all to do with investment. We can use that argument when Arsenal fuck us up the arse next week.
For now, we have be played off the park by a 3rd division team....AGAIN!
Today, a 3rd division team showed more heart, desire, class and ability than our lot.
They showed how to pass and move, how to play with pace, power and passion.
A 3rd division on team exposed our bunch of prima donnas time and time again.
It's got fuck all to do with investment today. It's about a 'club' that has given up, a team that is totally inept and a manager who is shite.
Rodney Marsh may be a twat, but he is a twat who was quite right with his comment yesterday.
Don't be upset that we are out of the cup, or the demise of the cup tradition at Villa Park.
Be upset at the demise of Aston Villa FC.
Nail on head - absolutely bang on.
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Days like today are just the times we need Mods. You can always tell when we are at our lowest ebb. The fans turn on each other. You knew DOL was finished when they were fighting each other on the Holte.
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Got to go out in 20mins. Eastie.. Has Lambert made a statement yet and if so where is it?
A nation waits with baited breath.
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When that straw-chomping yokel Ian Holloway called us a "half-arsed club that used to be famous" he wasn't a million miles away from the truth. And that's an incredibly difficult and sad thing to admit.
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I just cannot comprehend the 'don't sack him, back him' mindset.
PL has been in charge during the most embarrassing moments in our history.
Not just one or two, but fucking loads.
It's nothing at all to do with investment. We can use that argument when Arsenal fuck us up the arse next week.
For now, we have be played off the park by a 3rd division team....AGAIN!
Today, a 3rd division team showed more heart, desire, class and ability than our lot.
They showed how to pass and move, how to play with pace, power and passion.
A 3rd division on team exposed our bunch of prima donnas time and time again.
It's got fuck all to do with investment today. It's about a 'club' that has given up, a team that is totally inept and a manager who is shite.
Rodney Marsh may be a twat, but he is a twat who was quite right with his comment yesterday.
Don't be upset that we are out of the cup, or the demise of the cup tradition at Villa Park.
Be upset at the demise of Aston Villa FC.
Nail on head - absolutely bang on.
Agreed, very good post.
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When the "project" idea was first mentioned, I thought it was exactly what was needed. A wholesale shake up of the mess we had become when TSM was sacked.... I now realise that this project is a useless charade, producing mindless, dull, witless football
We need to abandon it now !!!
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I hate the idea of sacking managers before they've been given sufficient time and money to build their own squad.
But I can't take much more of this shit.
He's had enough time now, this is his squad and we're getting worse.
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Got to go out in 20mins. Eastie.. Has Lambert made a statement yet and if so where is it?
A nation waits with baited breath.
Not yet, heard him on the radio bemoaning injuries after the game but his avtv interview should be available anytime now.
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Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert: "I don't think we did enough to go through and that is me being honest. Good luck to Sheffield United in the next round. We never did enough to go through.
"We had a lot of the ball and huffed and puffed. It was one of those kind of games.
"We had a couple of chances towards the end of the first half - Christian's headers - and a couple in the second half where we should have maybe scored more than one goal.
"I know it (an upset) can happen and it is not a great feeling when things like that happen to you."
Paul Lambert on his pre-match FA Cup comments: "I was asked a question which the journalist in question actually regrets asking. He knew the context in which I was talking.
"I never decried the FA Cup in any shape or form. I never demeaned the competition. I respect its history. I put out the strongest team I could do to try to win the game.
"The FA Cup is a brilliant competition and everybody wants to do well in it.
"If you look at my own career, I won things in cup competitions. I won a few leagues here and there but actually won competitions so I am not degrading it."
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Oh and one more thing......
Who's dumb idea was it to go sober for Jan (oh that'll be me), god I could murder a beer.
THere's little comfort to be had from sparkling water on a day like this :(
http://www.justgiving.com/Fergal-Keating-dryathlete
What a fucking week to go dry....
I've donated. I know what it's like to be a dry Villa fan in January!
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Luna kept being told not to push on by both Mumbles and the Moron Hater.
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I posted on here a couple of weeks ago that if we kept Lambert in charge we COULD be in League 1 at the end of next season .Well after that spineless performance today, let me change it to we will
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When that straw-chomping yokel Ian Holloway called us a "half-arsed club that used to be famous" he wasn't a million miles away from the truth. And that's an incredibly difficult and sad thing to admit.
That's no way to talk about our next manager.
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Ah yes, some of us...you mean you two. It doesn't what you call it, the measures needed to be taken. Or maybe you think Lerner should have stuck with MON and sent us into oblivion? Neither of you have a solution other than being critical of everything.
Saunders doesn't speak for me. If you bothered to cast your eye over pretty much any of my posts where I have mentioned our finances, you'll see that I entirely support the attempt to get our house in order, so to speak. It was done rather too quickly and severely, with the consequent dropping down the table, but something undoubtedly had to be done.
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The Villa spin machine (and Lambert) have apparently now claimed the journalist that broke the FA CUP GATE story now regrets it. However the journalist himself says he does nothing of the sort. Slightly embarrassing
Yes that's correct. Regan is the journo concerned and he has stood by his story but regrets the fact that other stations plagiarised his words and Villa Press office spent almost 3/4 hours last week pressurising him to drop or heavily modify his story.
What the fluff is going on at Villa Park.
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Curiousorange my friend, please don't ever feel the need to deny who you support, you support Aston Villa, as we all do and despite the arguing and seemingly bad feeling going on between us at the moment we know they are just the greatest football club ever! I know it isn't pleasant at the moment but as the old sentimental cliché says " the darkest hour is just before dawn".
Take it from an old man following the Villa for over 55 years, things will improve, I've seen it and even at my age I'm still expecting it to happen. Chin up.
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When people state that they "can't comprehend" that someone has a different view to them, then I tend to dismiss them as an idiot.
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When that straw-chomping yokel Ian Holloway called us a "half-arsed club that used to be famous" he wasn't a million miles away from the truth. And that's an incredibly difficult and sad thing to admit.
That's no way to talk about our next manager.
Now that's made me laugh. Even if we offered him a company tractor, he'd never come here.
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When that straw-chomping yokel Ian Holloway called us a "half-arsed club that used to be famous" he wasn't a million miles away from the truth. And that's an incredibly difficult and sad thing to admit.
That's no way to talk about our next manager.
Now that's made me laugh. Even if we offered him a company tractor, he'd never come here.
Maybe a combine harvester would swing it :)
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Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert: "I don't think we did enough to go through and that is me being honest. Good luck to Sheffield United in the next round. We never did enough to go through.
"We had a lot of the ball and huffed and puffed. It was one of those kind of games.
"We had a couple of chances towards the end of the first half - Christian's headers - and a couple in the second half where we should have maybe scored more than one goal.
"I know it (an upset) can happen and it is not a great feeling when things like that happen to you."
Paul Lambert on his pre-match FA Cup comments: "I was asked a question which the journalist in question actually regrets asking. He knew the context in which I was talking.
"I never decried the FA Cup in any shape or form. I never demeaned the competition. I respect its history. I put out the strongest team I could do to try to win the game.
"The FA Cup is a brilliant competition and everybody wants to do well in it.
"If you look at my own career, I won things in cup competitions. I won a few leagues here and there but actually won competitions so I am not degrading it."
Huffed and puffed would sum us up Lambert, we don't have any clue.
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Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert: "I don't think we did enough to go through and that is me being honest. Good luck to Sheffield United in the next round. We never did enough to go through.
"We had a lot of the ball and huffed and puffed. It was one of those kind of games.
"We had a couple of chances towards the end of the first half - Christian's headers - and a couple in the second half where we should have maybe scored more than one goal.
"I know it (an upset) can happen and it is not a great feeling when things like that happen to you."
Paul Lambert on his pre-match FA Cup comments: "I was asked a question which the journalist in question actually regrets asking. He knew the context in which I was talking.
"I never decried the FA Cup in any shape or form. I never demeaned the competition. I respect its history. I put out the strongest team I could do to try to win the game.
"The FA Cup is a brilliant competition and everybody wants to do well in it.
"If you look at my own career, I won things in cup competitions. I won a few leagues here and there but actually won competitions so I am not degrading it."
Thanks Spangley. We're off out to enjoy ourselves!
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Mods Put a stop to that please
Mods keep out of here on days like this.
Unfortunately, I/we don't.
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In a word, shambolic.
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Curiousorange my friend, please don't ever feel the need to deny who you support, you support Aston Villa, as we all do and despite the arguing and seemingly bad feeling going on between us at the moment we know they are just the greatest football club ever! I know it isn't pleasant at the moment but as the old sentimental cliché says " the darkest hour is just before dawn".
Take it from an old man following the Villa for over 55 years, things will improve, I've seen it and even at my age I'm still expecting it to happen. Chin up.
I agree with you Dave but it's getting so much more difficult to find any positives.I keep thinking about how we dropped from the first to third divisions and say to myself ...it surely can't happen again?
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Curiousorange my friend, please don't ever feel the need to deny who you support, you support Aston Villa, as we all do and despite the arguing and seemingly bad feeling going on between us at the moment we know they are just the greatest football club ever! I know it isn't pleasant at the moment but as the old sentimental cliché says " the darkest hour is just before dawn".
Take it from an old man following the Villa for over 55 years, things will improve, I've seen it and even at my age I'm still expecting it to happen. Chin up.
I won't deny it, I just won't shout about it. Thanks for the gee up anyway.
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In a word, shambolic.
The mods as well?
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In a word, shambolic.
The mods as well?
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The sad thing is 4 or so years ago I would be upset by this result. Over the past 4 years that feeling has gradually faded. Now I expected the defeat and...I don't feel anything.
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Awful. Losing to a team that sit one point above the relegation places in the third division. I think what makes it even harder to stomach is that they've not had to play out of their skins to pull it off, just turn up, knock the ball around a bit, and take the chances that are laid on a plate for them.
Luna, a man who looks ever increasingly like Paul Mackenna has taken him from his day job on his market stall, hypnotized him, then said "when you wake up, you will believe you are a professional full-back".
Weimann. Does he have pictures of Lambert in a Thai brothel or something? How badly does he have to play to get dropped?
Ashley Westwood, just what is it that you're supposed to be doing? Cos I can't believe that it's what you are actually doing.
And for all but Gabby, perhaps Ron, and the world-beaters that are KEA and Sylla, that's who'll be facing Arsenal. In effect, the best we could do.
And I get home to find it's not Christmas in my house anymore.
And I've just flicked the boy's ketchup onto my cardy.
Today sucks.
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Brilliant result for us, can concentrate on securing that all important 16th place in the league now. I've realised Lambert is fucking terrible but if he was sacked its inevitable we'd get Mackay and I've had it with downbeat, dour Scottish managers.
Can somebody please send Lerner and Faulkner a couple of Rosetta Stone 'Learn Spanish' cd's and Bielsa;'s telephone number.
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I am gutted. The FA Cup is the only trophy I've not seen us win. Our performance on the pitch today was insipid.
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I am gutted. The FA Cup is the only trophy I've not seen us win. Our performance on the pitch today was insipid.
Well, the UEFA Cup, too.
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Brilliant result for us, can concentrate on securing that all important 16th place in the league now. I've realised Lambert is fucking terrible but if he was sacked its inevitable we'd get Mackay and I've had it with downbeat, dour Scottish managers.
Can somebody please send Lerner and Faulkner a couple of Rosetta Stone 'Learn Spanish' cd's and Bielsa;'s telephone number.
Ha ha, forget it, they'll go out and appoint Ian Dowie.
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Sadly I think it's time for Lambert to go, I really don't want us to be one of those clubs who sack the manager every year or so but enough is enough.
Randy should cur his losses and go too, find a buyer and do one.
They both should go. The lack of vitriol aimed at Lerner never ceases to amaze me. Our absentee owner displays all the football nous of a retarded sea cucumber. I can't wait for the day the stupid yank prick fucks off. We're screwed while the retarded septic remains....
So you'd be more than happy to throw your money away and lose it it? Top football clubs aren't profit making business's until they're sold on.
I'd never have considered a football club as a route to riches. Lerner strikes me as someone with huge wealth who decided playing at being a football club owner was a way to alleviate his boredom. He's lost a shed load of money at it and with the financial crash now finds himself considerably less wealthy. He's no idea what to do so hides and hopes the problem he's created for himself will go away. Just sell Randy. You ain't getting your money back and the next custodian might not be such a clueless prick
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See? I'm that down about things I totally forgot about the Europa League.
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Has any other 'established' prem team had as many cup shockers as us in recent years? The worst thing is people aren't surprised any longer. We are becoming a joke.
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Sadly I think it's time for Lambert to go, I really don't want us to be one of those clubs who sack the manager every year or so but enough is enough.
Randy should cur his losses and go too, find a buyer and do one.
They both should go. The lack of vitriol aimed at Lerner never ceases to amaze me. Our absentee owner displays all the football nous of a retarded sea cucumber. I can't wait for the day the stupid yank prick fucks off. We're screwed while the retarded septic remains....
You may not like him very much, but is there really any need for that?
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Has any other 'established' prem team had as many cup shockers as us in recent years? The worst thing is people aren't surprised any longer. We are becoming a joke.
I feel like we are the new old Man City. If that makes any sense.
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Sadly I think it's time for Lambert to go, I really don't want us to be one of those clubs who sack the manager every year or so but enough is enough.
Randy should cur his losses and go too, find a buyer and do one.
They both should go. The lack of vitriol aimed at Lerner never ceases to amaze me. Our absentee owner displays all the football nous of a retarded sea cucumber. I can't wait for the day the stupid yank prick fucks off. We're screwed while the retarded septic remains....
You may not like him very much, but is there really any need for that?
Maybe one reason he escapes a lot of criticism is he's rarely around to hear it anyway.
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Sadly I think it's time for Lambert to go, I really don't want us to be one of those clubs who sack the manager every year or so but enough is enough.
Randy should cur his losses and go too, find a buyer and do one.
They both should go. The lack of vitriol aimed at Lerner never ceases to amaze me. Our absentee owner displays all the football nous of a retarded sea cucumber. I can't wait for the day the stupid yank prick fucks off. We're screwed while the retarded septic remains....
You may not like him very much, but is there really any need for that?
God Bless America
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Sadly I think it's time for Lambert to go, I really don't want us to be one of those clubs who sack the manager every year or so but enough is enough.
Randy should cur his losses and go too, find a buyer and do one.
They both should go. The lack of vitriol aimed at Lerner never ceases to amaze me. Our absentee owner displays all the football nous of a retarded sea cucumber. I can't wait for the day the stupid yank prick fucks off. We're screwed while the retarded septic remains....
Feel free to say you don't like him but there is no need for that, and especially do not use terms like retarded again.
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On the home page Lambert says the right things about cup competitions and admits that we lack creativity, but then also adds the phrase "couldn´t fault the effort and endeavour"
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Has any other 'established' prem team had as many cup shockers as us in recent years? The worst thing is people aren't surprised any longer. We are becoming a joke.
I feel like we are the new old Man City. If that makes any sense.
With doug as Swales, lerner as shinatwa, and our saviour about to buy us ;)
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Well i am glad i have been working all day and have only found out the result 5 mins ago.
Nothing more to say about this result to be honest. It is a fecking wounder to say the least.
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Others just wanted to give the project a chance. You never, ever did.
"The project" *buries head in hands*
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23362207
Also in that list:-
13. "Fail"
17. "Legacy"
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Has any other 'established' prem team had as many cup shockers as us in recent years? The worst thing is people aren't surprised any longer. We are becoming a joke.
I feel like we are the new old Man City. If that makes any sense.
Can we move on to being the new new Man City now then please?
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Paul Lambert spoke of the sore feeling at going out of the FA Cup at the third round stage to Sheff Utd.
Lambert was gutted to see his side defeated 2-1 by Utd in B6.
Despite the press coverage on the eve of the game, boss Lambert said his team selection demonstrated his determination to get through the round.
But he accepted that the players didn't show the necessary creativity to blunt the Blades.
He said: "It was bitterly disappointing after a really good win on Wednesday.
"To get knocked out was really frustrating. It hurts. Anyone who knows me will tell you I'm not the happiest person when we lose.
"We picked a really strong side to try and get through.
"I never demeaned the competition one bit. I respect the history of the competition and what the competition is about.
"If you look at my own career, I have won some nice things through cup competitions.
"The journalist himself says he regrets asking the question because of what has happened with people's reactions. I think the whole context of the interview, there was never any way I was decrying the competition at all.
"You want to try and do a good run. If you look at the League Cup last time, we picked strong teams throughout the competition. I never take them lightly.
"I said in the same interview that if you're in something, you try to win it.
"It's the same with every game you play. Every match you try to be as competitive as you can.
"The lads will be hurting. They have gone from the good feeling of Wednesday to the disappointment of being knocked out.
"It's the same with the fans. They had the good journey back from Sunderland and now it's back down again.
"In terms of the game itself, we had a lot of the ball and that seems to be a problem here, for some strange reason.
"On Wednesday it was totally different. We looked a threat every time.
"Maybe at home teams are sitting in against us and making it hard.
"We need that creativity. It's just not there at the moment. But away from home, it seems to be different.
"You couldn't fault the lads effort and endeavour. What you do fault is that we made the wrong decisions at the wrong times.
"We lost a poor goal, the first with a deflection, and with the second the lad has hit a good strike.
"You give Sheff Utd credit for going through. But that team I picked was, in my view, strong enough to win."
Lambert revealed that Nathan Baker felt his hamstring and was withdrawn from the team in the warm-up pre-match while Gabby Agbonlahor also missed out on the eve of the match with the same issue.
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I was surprised to see OGS go to Cardiff but maybe on meeting lerner last year and hearing how he wanted the club to be run he was perhaps somewhat wise to give us a wide berth .
Perhaps he wasn't impressed by Lerner ?
It's obvious. He was informed of what his budget would be at Villa, burst out laughing and quickly left.
It was Lower than the Molde budget.
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He should have gone after the Bradford game.
He hasn't improved us, he's spent a fair bit of money. We may have 'scaled it back', but maybe he should have invested a larger portion of the money in areas we were desperate and used some of the players we're paying to play for other sides more.
It's pointless to keep sacking the manager, so I'd give him until the end of the season - but if (when) things haven't improved by then then I'd look at replacing him. I realise that's contradictory but we're only going one way.
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I just cannot comprehend the 'don't sack him, back him' mindset.
PL has been in charge during the most embarrassing moments in our history.
Not just one or two, but fucking loads.
It's nothing at all to do with investment. We can use that argument when Arsenal fuck us up the arse next week.
For now, we have be played off the park by a 3rd division team....AGAIN!
Today, a 3rd division team showed more heart, desire, class and ability than our lot.
They showed how to pass and move, how to play with pace, power and passion.
A 3rd division on team exposed our bunch of prima donnas time and time again.
It's got fuck all to do with investment today. It's about a 'club' that has given up, a team that is totally inept and a manager who is shite.
Rodney Marsh may be a twat, but he is a twat who was quite right with his comment yesterday.
Don't be upset that we are out of the cup, or the demise of the cup tradition at Villa Park.
Be upset at the demise of Aston Villa FC.
the club have no grounds to sack him
he took over a club that had been fighting relegation for the previous 2 seasons, add another one with his first season,
started slowly to get rid of a bunch of high earning wasters, bought a load of cheap players from places no ones ever heard of, and payed them buttons,
and we are currently half way up the league
that's what the club will see, they aint gona be concerned that Pooligan thinks we are going down, because we are in a better position now than we have been for a while
their not going to be botherd that andyh think we are playing utter shit and PL has embarresed the club many times over, because he's doing the job on a shoe string and
and are half way up the league
that's what the club see,
you and others including me might think that are performances defy belief sometimes, but the club are only interested in the premier league table
how many times have I heard posters say 'you pay peanuts you get monkeys' well if that's the case Lamberts doing pretty good getting a load of cheap arseed monkeys to garner 23 points so far, you cant have it both ways
what will Randy/Faulkner/Official say if they sack him - well we wrent playing very well and enough was enough, we want a new man to come in and we will give him washers for players wages and we expect him to do far better, definitely top half with attractive football to boot, whilst bringing the overall wage cost down at the same time,
good luck with that
like I say there is no grounds to sack Lambert as far as the club is concerned,
there is for us we are sick to the back teeth of the garbage served up this season, but as far as the club will see it, its the league that's sacrosanct
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I want my Aston Villa back. There is hardly any Villa player that understands what it should mean to play for Aston Villa. I've had claret and blue blood for 63 years. PL and RL have no comprehension of what it is to travel to a midweek away game and get home at 2.30am, after having been beaten. Most of the players are mercenaries. I thought Aldershot was a low. But these lows are more and more frequent. When Villa last got relegated and had to battle though in the lower divisions at least they did just that - i.e battled. There's no fight any more. This is the most unimaginative squad ever assembled at the club. Ever. Period.
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Poor Poor result , i dont know what to think anymore, lambert is definately looking like a dead man walking, i was in his camp up until todays result, i mentioned to a friend i cant remember a manager gaining the fans back once he had lost them (however im sure someone may remind me of a few) My opinion is that the squads confidence is so so low that even a couple of experienced signings wouldnt be able to drag there heads up, its a shame i like lambert, i really thought he could make us challenge at the higher end of the table.
It makes it even worse as previous comments my son keeps mentioning the gooners :( i have promised him it will get better, lets hope i can keep that one :)
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2 shots on goal against a 3rd division team...
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Heaven help us in our next home match ,watching Arsenal at the moment against Spurs and how they are outplaying them, i really fear for us
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Until people stop attending the games, buying the merchandise etc and hit Lerner in the pocket, that is the only way he will take notice of th situation. Like others have said, when it comes to season ticket renewal time that's when they will be worried.
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The home form will get him the sack.
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The home form will get him the sack.
no it wont, the league table will
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Oh and one more thing......
Who's dumb idea was it to go sober for Jan (oh that'll be me), god I could murder a beer.
THere's little comfort to be had from sparkling water on a day like this :(
My wife has gone out with her mates and our teenage daughter is staying at her mate's; nobody will see me getting a couple of large "Cuba Libre" in.
I will, of course, use Diet cola.
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@Villamark1982: @Amar_Avfc rumour is lambert has had a bust up in the tunnel after the game with players. Lost the dressing room.
it's just on the left down the tunnel!
Thats the trophy room.
Fuck all in it mind.
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Its hard to imagine what sort of performance is needed for there to be SOME sort of reaction from the club. We've broken every negative record in the book these last 18 months.
Lambert seems to think were some sort of plucky League 1 outfit, where running around a lot is all that's required. It is not good enough, not by a million fucking miles.
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We haven't got one.
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Arsenal and Liverpool up next.
Holy sh*tting f*ck.
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The home form will get him the sack.
no it wont, the league table will
Yes it will,once the fans start voting with their feet out he goes.
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I havent had time to compute it yet. A few things immediately jump out.
We deserved to lose.
We were shit.
Event at a goal down we were tactically woeful by not spending time running the big fat fuckers they had filling most of the pitch, round the Wrekin
And for post match analysis, I still think sanctimonious snot bubble, Trevor fucking Fisher, is a ******.
And as I learned today, either the worlds luckiest man or a monumental liar.
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The home form will get him the sack.
no it wont, the league table will
Yes it will,once the fans start voting with their feet out he goes.
I agree- several chairmen have said its the fans who sack managers not the chairman .
Once fans vent their anger there is usually a quick reaction.
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The home form will get him the sack.
no it wont, the league table will
Yes it will,once the fans start voting with their feet out he goes.
agree with you there, fans do have a massive say when a manager is sacked
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If the home crowd turn on him, he will go. Bolton was the moment McLeish was a goner. A similar reaction towards Lambert and it will be all over I reckon.
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My boss is a Nose. You can imagine how the last 12 months have been for me most Monday mornings.
probably not as bad as mine, 4 noses plus the boss is a Blade
Such joy!
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If the home crowd turn on him, he will go. Bolton was the moment McLeish was a goner. A similar reaction towards Lambert and it will be all over I reckon.
Mcliesh went because
we didn't want him in the first place
we were playing utterly shit football
we were fighting relegation
only one of those apply to Lambert so far, if the fans turn on him big time then I agree hes a gona, but its going to take more than a few internet posters to do that
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I have a wonderful brother, ex Marine Commando, decorated war hero. Saw Villa play before WW2. He took me to see us play Port Vale in the cup in about 1951. Same sort of scenario as today, we were blown away at home by a team we were expected to dispense with without breaking sweat. My brother took off his scarf, threw it on the concrete of the Holte End, jumped on it and has never been back since. His grandsons come with us to the games. They are both big shots in the disco industry, one in Ibiza the other one in Los Angeles. A few short years later I was at Wembley watching Johnny Dixon lift the trophy our manager has little regard for.
The reason I mention this is that there are always better times ahead. Keep the faith. Do the pain. Don't give up on the Villa. Give up on Lambert by all means, give up on Faulkner, Lerner, Culverhouse, all of them but don't give up on Villa. These men are tiny little pygmies in our proud and glorious history.
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If the home crowd turn on him, he will go. Bolton was the moment McLeish was a goner. A similar reaction towards Lambert and it will be all over I reckon.
Yes that was the point of no return, we must be pretty close to that now.
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This is getting really bad now.
I fear for us at the moment.
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I've tried, I really have, but enough is enough.
I cannot stand any more of this.
Please put us out of our (abject) misery and go Lambert.
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I have a wonderful brother, ex Marine Commando, decorated war hero. Saw Villa play before WW2. He took me to see us play Port Vale in the cup in about 1951. Same sort of scenario as today, we were blown away at home by a team we were expected to dispense with without breaking sweat. My brother took off his scarf, threw it on the concrete of the Holte End, jumped on it and has never been back since. His grandsons come with us to the games. They are both big shots in the disco industry, one in Ibiza the other one in Los Angeles. A few short years later I was at Wembley watching Johnny Dixon lift the trophy our manager has little regard for.
The reason I mention this is that there are always better times ahead. Keep the faith. Do the pain. Don't give up on the Villa. Give up on Lambert by all means, give up on Faulkner, Lerner, Culverhouse, all of them but don't give up on Villa. These men are tiny little pygmies in our proud and glorious history.
Brilliant and my best regards to you Mr Green
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If the home crowd turn on him, he will go. Bolton was the moment McLeish was a goner. A similar reaction towards Lambert and it will be all over I reckon.
Yes that was the point of no return, we must be pretty close to that now.
swap places with West Ham and we'd be close
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I have a wonderful brother, ex Marine Commando, decorated war hero. Saw Villa play before WW2. He took me to see us play Port Vale in the cup in about 1951. Same sort of scenario as today, we were blown away at home by a team we were expected to dispense with without breaking sweat. My brother took off his scarf, threw it on the concrete of the Holte End, jumped on it and has never been back since. His grandsons come with us to the games. They are both big shots in the disco industry, one in Ibiza the other one in Los Angeles. A few short years later I was at Wembley watching Johnny Dixon lift the trophy our manager has little regard for.
The reason I mention this is that there are always better times ahead. Keep the faith. Do the pain. Don't give up on the Villa. Give up on Lambert by all means, give up on Faulkner, Lerner, Culverhouse, all of them but don't give up on Villa. These men are tiny little pygmies in our proud and glorious history.
Never give up on Villa. Ever.
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Had enough, cant remember in the last fifty years I have not gone down to Villa park for three games in a row. He's gotta go
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In a word, shambolic.
The mods as well?
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There was that little conversation on the previous page regarding moderating on a day like this, but the threads moving too quickly and I'm not a very funny man.
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If the home crowd turn on him, he will go. Bolton was the moment McLeish was a goner. A similar reaction towards Lambert and it will be all over I reckon.
Mcliesh went because
we didn't want him in the first place
we were playing utterly shit football
we were fighting relegation
only one of those apply to Lambert so far, if the fans turn on him big time then I agree hes a gona, but its going to take more than a few internet posters to do that
6 in 26 at home.Randys finger must be twitching.And has for your last line oh dear has it come to that.
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Gutted I really thought we would have a good cup run but it's not to be we are poor at the moment.
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If the home crowd turn on him, he will go. Bolton was the moment McLeish was a goner. A similar reaction towards Lambert and it will be all over I reckon.
Mcliesh went because
we didn't want him in the first place
we were playing utterly shit football
we were fighting relegation
only one of those apply to Lambert so far, if the fans turn on him big time then I agree hes a gona, but its going to take more than a few internet posters to do that
That's why I said the home crowd John! *winky*
Club won't really care what is said here or on other sites, but have a Bolton style reaction and as Chicago says, it can reach the point of no return.
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I just cannot comprehend the 'don't sack him, back him' mindset.
PL has been in charge during the most embarrassing moments in our history.
Not just one or two, but fucking loads.
It's nothing at all to do with investment. We can use that argument when Arsenal fuck us up the arse next week.
For now, we have be played off the park by a 3rd division team....AGAIN!
Today, a 3rd division team showed more heart, desire, class and ability than our lot.
They showed how to pass and move, how to play with pace, power and passion.
A 3rd division on team exposed our bunch of prima donnas time and time again.
It's got fuck all to do with investment today. It's about a 'club' that has given up, a team that is totally inept and a manager who is shite.
Rodney Marsh may be a twat, but he is a twat who was quite right with his comment yesterday.
Don't be upset that we are out of the cup, or the demise of the cup tradition at Villa Park.
Be upset at the demise of Aston Villa FC.
the club have no grounds to sack him
he took over a club that had been fighting relegation for the previous 2 seasons, add another one with his first season,
started slowly to get rid of a bunch of high earning wasters, bought a load of cheap players from places no ones ever heard of, and payed them buttons,
and we are currently half way up the league
that's what the club will see, they aint gona be concerned that Pooligan thinks we are going down, because we are in a better position now than we have been for a while
their not going to be botherd that andyh think we are playing utter shit and PL has embarresed the club many times over, because he's doing the job on a shoe string and
and are half way up the league
that's what the club see,
you and others including me might think that are performances defy belief sometimes, but the club are only interested in the premier league table
how many times have I heard posters say 'you pay peanuts you get monkeys' well if that's the case Lamberts doing pretty good getting a load of cheap arseed monkeys to garner 23 points so far, you cant have it both ways
what will Randy/Faulkner/Official say if they sack him - well we wrent playing very well and enough was enough, we want a new man to come in and we will give him washers for players wages and we expect him to do far better, definitely top half with attractive football to boot, whilst bringing the overall wage cost down at the same time,
good luck with that
like I say there is no grounds to sack Lambert as far as the club is concerned,
there is for us we are sick to the back teeth of the garbage served up this season, but as far as the club will see it, its the league that's sacrosanct
I totally agree with you. Working for a Yank firm myself, everything is about metrics, that's all they care about.
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I have a wonderful brother, ex Marine Commando, decorated war hero. Saw Villa play before WW2. He took me to see us play Port Vale in the cup in about 1951. Same sort of scenario as today, we were blown away at home by a team we were expected to dispense with without breaking sweat. My brother took off his scarf, threw it on the concrete of the Holte End, jumped on it and has never been back since. His grandsons come with us to the games. They are both big shots in the disco industry, one in Ibiza the other one in Los Angeles. A few short years later I was at Wembley watching Johnny Dixon lift the trophy our manager has little regard for.
The reason I mention this is that there are always better times ahead. Keep the faith. Do the pain. Don't give up on the Villa. Give up on Lambert by all means, give up on Faulkner, Lerner, Culverhouse, all of them but don't give up on Villa. These men are tiny little pygmies in our proud and glorious history.
Never give up on Villa. Ever.
I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling
Gotta make you understand
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I have a wonderful brother, ex Marine Commando, decorated war hero. Saw Villa play before WW2. He took me to see us play Port Vale in the cup in about 1951. Same sort of scenario as today, we were blown away at home by a team we were expected to dispense with without breaking sweat. My brother took off his scarf, threw it on the concrete of the Holte End, jumped on it and has never been back since. His grandsons come with us to the games. They are both big shots in the disco industry, one in Ibiza the other one in Los Angeles. A few short years later I was at Wembley watching Johnny Dixon lift the trophy our manager has little regard for.
The reason I mention this is that there are always better times ahead. Keep the faith. Do the pain. Don't give up on the Villa. Give up on Lambert by all means, give up on Faulkner, Lerner, Culverhouse, all of them but don't give up on Villa. These men are tiny little pygmies in our proud and glorious history.
Well said Brian.
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We are very easy to set up against as well. With Lambert you know how the team will be sent out and what each player will be asked to do. That for me is a reason why so many of last year's newcomers are having a mare this year, the opposition have reacted to them whilst we plod along going through our usual match routine.
His plan A right now has been sussed out well and truly and he hasn't shown the intelligence or foresight to make a plan b yet.
Another reason I think he should go.
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I have a wonderful brother, ex Marine Commando, decorated war hero. Saw Villa play before WW2. He took me to see us play Port Vale in the cup in about 1951. Same sort of scenario as today, we were blown away at home by a team we were expected to dispense with without breaking sweat. My brother took off his scarf, threw it on the concrete of the Holte End, jumped on it and has never been back since. His grandsons come with us to the games. They are both big shots in the disco industry, one in Ibiza the other one in Los Angeles. A few short years later I was at Wembley watching Johnny Dixon lift the trophy our manager has little regard for.
The reason I mention this is that there are always better times ahead. Keep the faith. Do the pain. Don't give up on the Villa. Give up on Lambert by all means, give up on Faulkner, Lerner, Culverhouse, all of them but don't give up on Villa. These men are tiny little pygmies in our proud and glorious history.
Lovely and heartwarming post .
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We are very easy to set up against as well. With Lambert you know how the team will be sent out and what each player will be asked to do. That for me is a reason why so many of last year's newcomers are having a mare this year, the opposition have reacted to them whilst we plod along going through our usual match routine.
His plan A right now has been sussed out well and truly and he hasn't shown the intelligence or foresight to make a plan b yet.
Another reason I think he should go.
Spot on. We haven't evolved. We can't react or be flexible during a game. Bradford was a low point for me. Unable to beat a team 3 divisions below over two games is shameful.
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Rather than sack him now why not bring Steve Clarke in as a Coach. He was brilliant as that at Chelsea and knows Lambert from their playing days. Just a thought.
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We are very easy to set up against as well. With Lambert you know how the team will be sent out and what each player will be asked to do. That for me is a reason why so many of last year's newcomers are having a mare this year, the opposition have reacted to them whilst we plod along going through our usual match routine.
His plan A right now has been sussed out well and truly and he hasn't shown the intelligence or foresight to make a plan b yet.
Another reason I think he should go.
Spot on. We haven't evolved. We can't react or be flexible during a game. Bradford was a low point for me. Unable to beat a team 3 divisions below over two games is shameful.
I felt millwall was the lowest point on the back of the bradford debacle - in truth he would have been fired several times over by some clubs - he is very lucky to still be here .
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If the home crowd turn on him, he will go. Bolton was the moment McLeish was a goner. A similar reaction towards Lambert and it will be all over I reckon.
Mcliesh went because
we didn't want him in the first place
we were playing utterly shit football
we were fighting relegation
only one of those apply to Lambert so far, if the fans turn on him big time then I agree hes a gona, but its going to take more than a few internet posters to do that
6 in 26 at home.Randys finger must be twitching.And has for your last line oh dear has it come to that.
do you honestly think, honestly that Randys finger is twitching ?
when the club he owns sits half way up the league and the managers done it by paying some of the lowest wages in the premier league whilst getting rid of some of the highest
I know because of our previous history of falling out, you may think I'm brewing for a argument, but on this occasion I'm not
I'm just trying to put over the difference in what we as fans see and what the club owner sees
even my point about internet fans wasn't a jibe, only until the fans in the stands start to make a noise and protest will the club start to get botherd whilst we are safe in league terms,
and in fairness Villa fans have never been very good at that, so I don't think the end is nigh is quite so nigh as others do,
that's all I'm trying to say in the nicest possible way,
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How is he still in a job? Our lack of ambition is utterly humilliating
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You putting up the bunting? You sound happy things are the way they are and you can stick your finger in the face of others claiming you were right all along. Others just wanted to give the project a chance. You never, ever did. That's the bit you are missing entirely.
"The project" *buries head in hands*
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23362207
Exactly. The "project" was a lie. Cutbacks wrapped up in ribbons. Some of us didn't fall for it and got stick for saying it.
Ah yes, some of us...you mean you two. It doesn't what you call it, the measures needed to be taken. Or maybe you think Lerner should have stuck with MON and sent us into oblivion? Neither of you have a solution other than being critical of everything.
To be fair Toronto Villa, its not for hilts_coolerking or saunders_heroes to find the solution.
There are, or there should be, people at the club to sort this out.
Sadly, even if they are at the club, they are not doing their job very well.
Lambert should offer his resignation tonight or tomorrow.
I dont think Lerner would accept it though.
Sad times.
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I've tried, I really have, but enough is enough.
I cannot stand any more of this.
Please put us out of our (abject) misery and go Lambert.
He beat Sunderland didn't you know?!?!
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You putting up the bunting? You sound happy things are the way they are and you can stick your finger in the face of others claiming you were right all along. Others just wanted to give the project a chance. You never, ever did. That's the bit you are missing entirely.
"The project" *buries head in hands*
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23362207
Exactly. The "project" was a lie. Cutbacks wrapped up in ribbons. Some of us didn't fall for it and got stick for saying it.
Ah yes, some of us...you mean you two. It doesn't what you call it, the measures needed to be taken. Or maybe you think Lerner should have stuck with MON and sent us into oblivion? Neither of you have a solution other than being critical of everything.
To be fair Toronto Villa, its not for hilts_coolerking or saunders_heroes to find the solution.
There are, or there should be, people at the club to sort this out.
Sadly, even if they are at the club, they are not doing their job very well.
Lambert should offer his resignation tonight or tomorrow.
I dont think Lerner would accept it though.
Sad times.
There will be no resignation or sacking. Lambert is doing what Lerner wanted. Exactly what Lerner wanted.
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You putting up the bunting? You sound happy things are the way they are and you can stick your finger in the face of others claiming you were right all along. Others just wanted to give the project a chance. You never, ever did. That's the bit you are missing entirely.
"The project" *buries head in hands*
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23362207
Exactly. The "project" was a lie. Cutbacks wrapped up in ribbons. Some of us didn't fall for it and got stick for saying it.
Ah yes, some of us...you mean you two. It doesn't what you call it, the measures needed to be taken. Or maybe you think Lerner should have stuck with MON and sent us into oblivion? Neither of you have a solution other than being critical of everything.
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To be fair Toronto Villa, its not for hilts_coolerking or saunders_heroes to find the solution.
There are, or there should be, people at the club to sort this out.
Sadly, even if they are at the club, they are not doing their job very well.
Lambert should offer his resignation tonight or tomorrow.
I dont think Lerner would accept it though.
Sad times.
There will be no resignation or sacking. Lambert is doing what Lerner wanted. Exactly what Lerner wanted.
What's that? Accelerating the already rapidly declining reputation and standing of our club? Both doing a great job.
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Paul Lambert confessed it “hurts like hell” after Aston Villa fans threw abuse and torn up tickets at him after their latest cup catastrophe .
Lambert was jeered as he trudged down the Trinity Road touchline to the tunnel after the embarrassing FA Cup exit to League One Sheffield United.
The 2-1 defeat was Villa’s third cup knockout in less than a year following Capital One Cup and FA Cup humiliations against Bradord and Millwall last season.
As the Lambert and his players departed the Villa Park field to the loudest boos of the season, a pair of fans ripped up tickets and threw them at the manager.
“I never saw that to be honest,” said Lambert.
“But I’ve been in game long enough to know what it’s like. I’m as gutted as everyone "
“It hurts like hell. Anyone who knows me knows I’m not the happiest person when I lose, or when my team lose.
“As I’ve said before you try and win as many games as you can and I’ve been involved in big games before and had good feelings.
“But anyone who knows me knows I’m not a good loser.“It hurts, definitely.
“Was it my lowest moment here?
The Bradford one’s up there, that was a sore one – but any game I lose I feel low. It’s just magnified because of what’s happened against a lower league side. It certainly hurts, that’s for sure.
”Lambert played down accusations that his pre-match comments demeaned the competition and insisted his suggestion clubs could ‘do without’ the competition had been taken out of context.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-paul-lambert-says-6468985
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Half way up the league or 6 points off relegation.
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We looked out of place playing at their level! There were several players who seemed either not bothered or not up to it. Just 2 shots on target is pitiful. We had lots of possession but meaningless side to side stuff ending up with a lump forward. Delph played far too deeply and hardly anyone ran into space or moved forwards with the ball. No pattern no tactics and consistently the drabbest least exciting football I've seen.
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You putting up the bunting? You sound happy things are the way they are and you can stick your finger in the face of others claiming you were right all along. Others just wanted to give the project a chance. You never, ever did. That's the bit you are missing entirely.
"The project" *buries head in hands*
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23362207
Exactly. The "project" was a lie. Cutbacks wrapped up in ribbons. Some of us didn't fall for it and got stick for saying it.
Ah yes, some of us...you mean you two. It doesn't what you call it, the measures needed to be taken. Or maybe you think Lerner should have stuck with MON and sent us into oblivion? Neither of you have a solution other than being critical of everything.
To be fair Toronto Villa, its not for hilts_coolerking or saunders_heroes to find the solution.
There are, or there should be, people at the club to sort this out.
Sadly, even if they are at the club, they are not doing their job very well.
Lambert should offer his resignation tonight or tomorrow.
I dont think Lerner would accept it though.
Sad times.
There will be no resignation or sacking. Lambert is doing what Lerner wanted. Exactly what Lerner wanted.
Yes Dan.
I totally agree with you.
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The constant disappointment is starting to get to me now. Lambert is fairly inept tactically (with this group of players) as we all know and the team just lack any form of imagination or creativity. With every bad performance now Lambert will come under more and more scrutiny, if we win the next 3 games then it will all blow over for him, as he will have worked a miracle. Lose the next 3 and I see Lambert looking at the abyss. As soon as we slip into the bottom five!
Long ball to Benteke!
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How long do we have to continue with this ritual humiliation ?
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The constant disappointment is starting to get to me now. Lambert is fairly inept tactically (with this group of players) as we all know and the team just lack any form of imagination or creativity. With every bad performance now Lambert will come under more and more scrutiny, if we win the next 3 games then it will all blow over for him, as he will have worked a miracle. Lose the next 3 and I see Lambert looking at the abyss. As soon as we slip into the bottom five!
Long ball to Benteke!
We have a tough run of games ahead - i fear the worst.
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We looked out of place playing at their level! There were several players who seemed either not bothered or not up to it. Just 2 shots on target is pitiful. We had lots of possession but meaningless side to side stuff ending up with a lump forward. Delph played far too deeply and hardly anyone ran into space or moved forwards with the ball. No pattern no tactics and consistently the drabbest least exciting football I've seen.
There were regularly five Villa players hanging back when it only needed a maximum of two of them.
The team went out with no motivation and the Manager plus at least half the team need to be replaced as soon as possible.
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I accept reluctantly that he will not resign and he will not be sacked. He won't resign because he really does think he has a master plan and that the statistics are an irrelevance. Lerner will not sack him because Lambert is a Yes Man and has been doing his bidding.
So what is the best we can hope for? Perhaps Lambert will be made to accept the introduction of "help" in the shape of somebody less stubborn, somebody without favourites to give preference to, somebody with media skills and a good communicator. In practical terms Lambert might not accept such "help" and would resign rather than see his position compromised. That at least would save us compo money always provided our CEO does not roll over and fess up to constructive dismissal.
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That was abject. I can't believe what the club has become. Playing at home has become painful for all concerned. What I cannot stomach is players not giving 100%. Lamberts ill fated midweek press conference gave the players carte Blanche to play as they did today. I'm done with lambert and his cronies after the last few weeks in particular, treating the fans with contempt.
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Why do we seem to wear the tag of 'big club' like a fucking albatross around our necks?
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Why do we seem to wear the tag of 'big club' like a fucking albatross around our necks?
Big club? Us?
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Yes.
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Yes.
I wish it was run like one.
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Why do we seem to wear the tag of 'big club' like a fucking albatross around our necks?
Big club? Us?
Are you for fucking real?
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Sometimes I think it's just our time again. Everton, Spurs, Newcastle, Leeds, Forest...all big clubs that have had crisis periods and have risen and fallen accordingly. We had a few good years in the past decade or so, and now everyone's enjoying our fall.
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I suppose Lee it is because we lack the bottle to act like a big club. We never throw our weight about, we do not assert ourselves we allow ourselves to be put down, we never bite back. It's all too gentlemanly and good mannered. Look at the way MON treated us. Can you imagine any other "big club" behaving like we did? Lerner comes across as a shy and introspective man so it is no surprise that we come across as an introspective club.
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At least I stuck a tenner on us to lose. So very predictable.
People are saying he has done what Lerner wanted but I really can't imagine Randy thinks this year's home record is acceptable.
If they can sack McLeish they can certainly sack Lambert and I think it's just a matter of time now. If he doesn't go this week it'll be in June when season ticket renewals are down 50%. We'd probably be better off with no manager at all right now, we don't play like a team with pre-determined tactics so I doubt we'd even notice. Just get the fans to vote for the team on the club website instead.
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The real problem is our once revered owner Mr Lerner.
I don't know how much of the family fortune he forked out to get 100% of the shares. Nor can I work out how much money he has since invested in the club. But I do believe that if he cashed in his chips tomorrow
he would realise a fairly handsome profit. I also believe that our absentee landlord would be reluctant to let go of the Villa because his investment would increase exponentially if any of the following occured:
1 - Clubs to be allowed to stream games directly to fee-paying customers.
2 - An agreed number of games to be played in stadiums outside England.
3 - Relegation to be abolished.
4 - Clubs to be francihsed.
Of course none of this will happen unless the required majority of owners vote for it.
As far as 'the project' is concerned I think that it might be entirely possible that our owner's instructions to his various employees might consist of the following:
1 - 17th place or above is fine.
2 - Target unconsidered trifles but be prepared to sell on if any of the alpha clubs come sniffing around.
3 - Buy anybody you want unless the price exceeds £7,00,000.
4 - If you really want a particular player offer him anything up to £20,000 a week.
5 - Don't bother me with the actual results unless they are affecting club shop sales/ pie and beer sales/ season ticket sales.
Mr Lerner bought himself a milch-cow.
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I am too shell shocked. I'll post thoughts later
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If Lerner is happy just for us to survive on as little as much as possible and Lambert is doing exactly what is asked, then how long can he believe this is good for the club? I hope he is looking for investment or to sell, 'cos as it stands we will only go one way sooner or later.
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I don't know how much of the family fortune he forked out to get 100% of the shares. Nor can I work out how much money he has since invested in the club. But I do believe that if he cashed in his chips tomorrow he would realise a fairly handsome profit.
You couldn't be further from the truth on that one.
And, I have to say, some of the stuff you go on to say is amongst the most obvious nonsense I've read on here in ages.
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Yes.
I wish it was run like one.
Absoloutely. We have an owner whose soul aim has been to downgrade fans expectations. It's the only thing he's been successful at doing
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I suppose Lee it is because we lack the bottle to act like a big club. We never throw our weight about, we do not assert ourselves we allow ourselves to be put down, we never bite back. It's all too gentlemanly and good mannered. Look at the way MON treated us. Can you imagine any other "big club" behaving like we did? Lerner comes across as a shy and introspective man so it is no surprise that we come across as an introspective club.
Brian, that's exactly what I'm getting at, but it goes back long beyond Lerner.
I suppose spending 20 years under the stewardship of egotist using us a vehicle for his own vanity didn't help, but the one time I can think that we really threw our weight around was to sign Bent.
Once in fucking thirty years.
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Shambolic summed it up for me, another season another exit to a lower league team.
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I suppose Lee it is because we lack the bottle to act like a big club. We never throw our weight about, we do not assert ourselves we allow ourselves to be put down, we never bite back. It's all too gentlemanly and good mannered. Look at the way MON treated us. Can you imagine any other "big club" behaving like we did? Lerner comes across as a shy and introspective man so it is no surprise that we come across as an introspective club.
I think this may be right , didn't he say he wouldn't approach a manager under contract when mon walked out - most chairmen would identify their target and then try and get him under contract or not - football can be a ruthless business.
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Shambolic summed it up for me, another season another exit to a lower league team.
Sham-bollix!!
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Half way up the league or 6 points off relegation.
i agree with john e in terms of mid table security making him safe for the mo but there's a good chance we'll be bottom 5 by end of Jan with our fixtures. i just can't see how Lambert can turn things around and the relationship with the fans has turned to Shit. the whole club seems to be happy to exist with a culture of defeat and low expectations
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Why attack Lerner? Even with our lack of big money signings we've still spent more than Sheff Utd only to be outplayed by them at home.
The manager's job first and foremost is to organise and motivate the players. Is there any evidence of Lambert doing this?
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When that straw-chomping yokel Ian Holloway called us a "half-arsed club that used to be famous" he wasn't a million miles away from the truth. And that's an incredibly difficult and sad thing to admit.
That's no way to talk about our next manager.
Now that's made me laugh. Even if we offered him a company tractor, he'd never come here.
Maybe a combine harvester would swing it :)
All Ian Holloway seems to do is buy any player in his price range with no cohesive plan and throw them all together and hope for the best. 'The Hollowayway' failed at Blackpool and Palace when it came to the Premier League. It is also currently failing at Villa.
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We can bang on about Lerner all we like - but whatever budget there has been for players is inconsequential in regard to today's performance.
Outplayed, outfought by a team that cost a fraction and is on a fraction of the wages that our 'superstars' are on.
That comes down to coaching and tactics . As stated before, Dean Smith down the road changed his tactics during the game to beat Sheff Utd - our bloke has not got a clue.
The standard is absolutely appalling.
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No doubt that we are a big club. It is just a shame that those in charge are seemingly happy for us to be very mediocre, at best.
As long as we are in the premier league everything is fine as far as they are concerned, from what i can see at the moment.
I would love for there to be some "Grand Plan" but at the moment i am struggling to see it, i am just trying to see through very dense fog at the moment, hoping beyond hope that the fog clears and all is well.
At the moment i think the fog is just going to get thicker and thicker.
I hope i am so wrong.
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Proud History, Bright Future, Murky Present.
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utter bolox, actually left before we scored. that was Sheffield utd, what would a descent championship team do to us. we are a laughing stock with lerner. he just appoints on the cheap. Don't tell me he supports AVFC cuz this is a slow death.
Where does this club founder members of the football league go, with lerner only one way.
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I was looking out at the city and the M6 from my seat in the upper Holte during today's game and couldn't help thinking that I must be feeling like the prisoners in Alcatraz prison looking over at San Fransisco and freedom from the prison yard.
Awful performance today, PL should go now!
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You putting up the bunting? You sound happy things are the way they are and you can stick your finger in the face of others claiming you were right all along. Others just wanted to give the project a chance. You never, ever did. That's the bit you are missing entirely.
"The project" *buries head in hands*
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23362207
Exactly. The "project" was a lie. Cutbacks wrapped up in ribbons. Some of us didn't fall for it and got stick for saying it.
Ah yes, some of us...you mean you two. It doesn't what you call it, the measures needed to be taken. Or maybe you think Lerner should have stuck with MON and sent us into oblivion? Neither of you have a solution other than being critical of everything.
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To be fair Toronto Villa, its not for hilts_coolerking or saunders_heroes to find the solution.
There are, or there should be, people at the club to sort this out.
Sadly, even if they are at the club, they are not doing their job very well.
Lambert should offer his resignation tonight or tomorrow.
I dont think Lerner would accept it though.
Sad times.
There will be no resignation or sacking. Lambert is doing what Lerner wanted. Exactly what Lerner wanted.
What's that? Accelerating the already rapidly declining reputation and standing of our club? Both doing a great job.
I would tend to agree with you there.
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also just watched Arsenal v Spurs, bloody great football. we are light years away from that. Not so long ago we were mentioned in the same breath as spurs and citeh
the future is bleak very bleak
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Proud History, Bright Future, Murky Present.
Exactly. A murky present.
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No doubt that we are a big club. It is just a shame that those in charge are seemingly happy for us to be very mediocre, at best.
As long as we are in the premier league everything is fine as far as they are concerned, from what i can see at the moment.
I would love for there to be some "Grand Plan" but at the moment i am struggling to see it, i am just trying to see through very dense fog at the moment, hoping beyond hope that the fog clears and all is well.
At the moment i think the fog is just going to get thicker and thicker.
I hope i am so wrong.
Big?? Grand Plan? Complete deluded bollo..New Team New Manager..New sh*te! Complete and utter sh*te!!!
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utter bolox, actually left before we scored.
Were you in the lower Holte, middle of block L5 and left around 65 minutes? Because if so I saw you and leave and couldn't believe my eyes.
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No doubt that we are a big club. It is just a shame that those in charge are seemingly happy for us to be very mediocre, at best.
As long as we are in the premier league everything is fine as far as they are concerned, from what i can see at the moment.
I would love for there to be some "Grand Plan" but at the moment i am struggling to see it, i am just trying to see through very dense fog at the moment, hoping beyond hope that the fog clears and all is well.
At the moment i think the fog is just going to get thicker and thicker.
I hope i am so wrong.
Not far off how I think things are.
I have to question what football teams, not just ourselves, outside the Sky 5 or 6 are actually for any more.
At the start of a season we are now certain we will not win the League, highly unlikely to get a Champions League place, hoping we don't get a Europa League place, and now we seem to have been let in on the little secret that we actually will not win a Cup either - so what is the actual point of turning up?
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Why do we seem to wear the tag of 'big club' like a fucking albatross around our necks?
Big club? Us?
Are you for fucking real?
I suppose you think forest are a bigger club than Man city and Chelsea also? We've done fuck all of footballing significance for almost 2 decades. Get real.
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Historically, yes they are.
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so if a rich Arab bought Walsall and they won the league they'd be bigger than us too?
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No doubt that we are a big club. It is just a shame that those in charge are seemingly happy for us to be very mediocre, at best.
As long as we are in the premier league everything is fine as far as they are concerned, from what i can see at the moment.
I would love for there to be some "Grand Plan" but at the moment i am struggling to see it, i am just trying to see through very dense fog at the moment, hoping beyond hope that the fog clears and all is well.
At the moment i think the fog is just going to get thicker and thicker.
I hope i am so wrong.
Not far off how I think things are.
I have to question what football teams, not just ourselves, outside the Sky 5 or 6 are actually for any more.
At the start of a season we are now certain we will not win the League, highly unlikely to get a Champions League place, hoping we don't get a Europa League place, and now we seem to have been let in on the little secret that we actually will not win a Cup either - so what is the actual point of turning up?
The Sky 5 or 6 is exactly right WW. The rest of us are there to make up the numbers in the most over rated most succesfully marketed league in the World. Things will not change soon either, i don't think.
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so if a rich Arab bought Walsall and they won the league they'd be bigger than us too?
if they were consistently competing for trophies filling their large stadium weekly and attracting the players then yes they would be. Historically we'd have more trophies until they do what everyone else is doing and overtaking us, but reality is they would be bigger.
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Couldn't agree more Lee. My younger son (the one who isn't Damon) phoned me to tell me that we had bought Bent. I thought it was the crap Bent because my son got to know all the Ipswich youth team when he was doing his Football Stories series and became good mates with the less good Bent. So I replied great you will have a mate in the dressing room at Villa Park and he said "No, we have signed the good one". That was the last time I felt that we had punched our weight in the premiership.
Apart from that we have a track record of being cautious and careful. Our first reaction to Richard Dunne getting crocked playing for his country was anger. Then when we thought we had upset the ROIFA we backed down and said sorry. I am not saying which reaction is correct, the anger or the acceptance you just don't do both at the same time. Likewise Mark Delaney injured playing for Wales and Dwight Yorke playing for away and Savo gobbing at the fans and Stanley Victor behaving like a complete knob and David Unsworth being allowed to leave after only one game for us and Stylian having his big charity game in Celtic colours the list goes on of us doing the nice thing the correct thing the good mannered thing but never actually asserting ourselves.
This latest fiasco of Lambert's interview will be kicked into the long grass by the club but we shall always be branded as the club that hates the FA Cup. The motto beneath our Lion should be changed from "Prepared" to "Careful".
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The home form will get him the sack.
no it wont, the league table will
Yes it will,once the fans start voting with their feet out he goes.
I agree- several chairmen have said its the fans who sack managers not the chairman .
Once fans vent their anger there is usually a quick reaction.
Agreed.
The fans have been loyal to all concerned so far ... the players, Lambert and Lerner. They should all be very careful though as it will all change very quickly if they're not careful.
The little show of 'togetherness' from the players last week was dangerous- aligning yourself with Culverhouse and Lambert (in reality or merely perceived) doesn't seem wise and will alienate the supporters if repeated.
The idiotic comments from Lambert about the FA Cup had no upside potential at all - the only effect again to alienate the supporters.
The lack of anything positive from Lerner has been eroding confidence and alienating the supporters for the past 3 years.
No matter how safe they feel in their protected world they would do well to remember they not the club and they are rapidly losing the respect and support of the people who embody the spirit and meaning of Aston Villa - the people who are the club.
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utter bolox, actually left before we scored.
Were you in the lower Holte, middle of block L5 and left around 65 minutes? Because if so I saw you and leave and couldn't believe my eyes.
No, must of been another frustrated lost soul, Today I was up k2, and that is as high as im going with this lot.
I am sorry I left early I don't normally but they are breaking my heart. Tonev is a wanker
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It's up to Lambert now.
He's took on a tough remit, that too be fair a lot of other managers appeared to be turning their noses up at or at least not falling over themselves for it.
In return he's delivered wage cuts and survival, and he's never bemoaned his lot. He's done the bidding for 18 months but by god we've took some big hits along the way, and this season has been turgid.
It's a shame because a lot of what else he does I like, the way he's sorted out the shitheads and I think he has the respect of the players, but fuck me collectively they're just not good enough.
He need to look at the plan again. He needs money, and quality fast. Whatever we're trying to do in terms of cuts will be inconsequential in the face of relegation, and his reputation is riding on it too, because the road out of Villa Park for failed manages is downhill fast.
The alternative is to hand this lot to someone else, which I think is basically a nightmare waiting to happen.
He's got to be backed, and he's got to go and get it not mince around with his principles. Shit, or get off the pot.
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I have followed today's game remotely so to speak so haven't suffered as much as those of you who were unfortunate enough to have witnessed it. A humiliating result, really, really awful. Thing is, we'll get a point out of one of next two league games and we'll be happy again. Also I still think we'll stay up. It would be nice if we had a bit more to cling onto but there you go. As others have said, we're a shit football team.
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What has depressed me more than anything is learning that Villa fans bet on their own team to lose .
what ever the circle is below the seventh circle of hell,we are there
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He could do with looking at a few level 2 coaching drills ......
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I have followed today's game remotely so to speak so haven't suffered as much as those of you who were unfortunate enough to have witnessed it. A humiliating result, really, really awful. Thing is, we'll get a point out of one of next two league games and we'll be happy again. Also I still think we'll stay up. It would be nice if we had a bit more to cling onto but there you go. As others have said, we're a shit football team.
I was there.
Yes it was.
I hope so but doubt it.
We will.
Onwards and upwards.
Yes.
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He could do with looking at a few level 2 coaching drills ......
Get to BMH matey. The job is yours. Happy days. 8)
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It's up to Lambert now.
He's took on a tough remit, that too be fair a lot of other managers appeared to be turning their noses up at or at least not falling over themselves for it.
In return he's delivered wage cuts and survival, and he's never bemoaned his lot. He's done the bidding for 18 months but by god we've took some big hits along the way, and this season has been turgid.
It's a shame because a lot of what else he does I like, the way he's sorted out the shitheads and I think he has the respect of the players, but fuck me collectively they're just not good enough.
He need to look at the plan again. He needs money, and quality fast. Whatever we're trying to do in terms of cuts will be inconsequential in the face of relegation, and his reputation is riding on it too, because the road out of Villa Park for failed manages is downhill fast.
The alternative is to hand this lot to someone else, which I think is basically a nightmare waiting to happen.
He's got to be backed, and he's got to go and get it not mince around with his principles. Shit, or get off the pot.
All of this - but especially the bit in bold.
He's got to get investment, he's got to get the supporters back on side, he's got to be seen to be moving forward - not accepting survival but on a path to competing once more.
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Just this season alone, we have played 13 games at Villa Park if you include the cup games .Our record is won 3 drew 2 lost 8 .Just how bad do things have to get before Learner wakes up and sees there needs to be a change of manager ?
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For goodness sake sack this idiot manager. He says we have a project but is incapable of explaining to us what the aims and objectives of said project are!
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What has depressed me more than anything is learning that Villa fans bet on their own team to lose .
what ever the circle is below the seventh circle of hell,we are there
I've been betting on us to lose every home game and usually without scoring. It's my way of getting the money for my season ticket back.
It feels dirty but I'll be damned if I'm going to stop while Lambert is in charge.
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Stick your mortgage on Arsenal and/or Liverpool then.
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Maybe it is just me but my club comes before any bloody bet.
I could never back Villa to loose even if it was repo day the next day.
Like i said, maybe it's just me.
FFS.
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What has depressed me more than anything is learning that Villa fans bet on their own team to lose .
what ever the circle is below the seventh circle of hell,we are there
I've been betting on us to lose every home game and usually without scoring. It's my way of getting the money for my season ticket back.
It feels dirty but I'll be damned if I'm going to stop while Lambert is in charge.
Damn - wish I'd thought of that.
I'm a season ticket but miss odd games due to work.
The first and only goal I've seen us score all season was against Swansea. Still I've only been to 6 home games.
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Good post Brian Green. You forgot to mention West Ham league cup ,when they broke the the rules and played a ineligible player and instead of being kicked out of the competition were allowed to replay the game at home again
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Just this season alone, we have played 13 games at Villa Park if you include the cup games .Our record is won 3 drew 2 lost 8 .Just how bad do things have to get before Learner wakes up and sees there needs to be a change of manager ?
Lerner could not give a shiny shite!
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The nightmare scenario of course is that Lerner will give him the money for a CB and creative MF both with experience and a proven track record and he will not know what to do with it.
He will be a mug punter who makes his selections sticking a pin in the list of runners who has lost his pin and suddenly needs to know about the horses.
The path he has preferred is the shotgun birdshot blast at the transfer market on the basis that the law of averages says buy enough and you will get a good one. What this window requires of him is a couple of rifle shots at selected targets and I don't think he is up to it. He is already on record as saying that January is an inflated market which of course it is and the trick is to buy well enough in the summer that you do not need January buys. He did not buy well enough so he has no choice but to buy some backbone for the team.
I do not think he is up to it. He will revert to type and buy four improvers.
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Well that was utter shit some points
Tonev started ok then faded badly.Sadly still looks well off the pace.
Right bias - most of our attacks came down the right from Albrighton ,at times he had 3 men round him yet still we didn't find space !
FB's for the love of god OVER FUCKING LAP..all game both FB stayed in position and left the winger having to pass back to them.When led to more sideways passing.
CM both too lightweight and can no dictate a game.Delph is comfortable on the ball and can go past a man but he does not play good passes into attacking area's.Westwood can no play in a 4-4-2 full stop.
Weimann lacking confidence or just not very good ...not sure but he is not performing at moment
Benteke ..Had to headed chances second of which he should of scored from.Looks off pace badly needs a goal still no excuse for some of his poor lay off's today.
Helenious ..nice goal and had some good touches on the ball.
Lambert got it very wrong today had 3 CM's on bench should of used one of them or pushed Bacuna into midfield.Doncian to CB and Lowton at RB IMO.
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As a Cambridge boy, I actually went to see Sheffield United beat Cambridge United in the last round. Today I had the misfortune to see them again at Villa Park. All I can say is that Cambridge gave them far more problems than Villa did and played with more skill, tactical awareness and desire. They didn't just pass the ball endlessly sideways and then give it away. Enough said. Nearly 50 years a Villa fan and still waiting for FA Cup glory. Two semi finals and one let down of a final. Let's face it it isn't going to happen in my lifetime. This man is sleepwalking Villa to the Championship. For God's sake, go now!
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Now, betting on the Noses to lose is an every weekend occurence.
Villa to lose, no way.
Take the house, take the car, take the 3yr free credit sofa and plasma tv and shove it right up ya arse.
Never, never, never.
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In theory, Albrighton & Bacuna looked like a good combination down the right. Unfortunately it appeared that they'd never practiced playing together before.
Making us long for the return of Joe Bennett just shows how bad Luna now is
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There comes a point with a lot of managers, often the first nail in the coffin. We've seen it with O Neill and the Europa debacle. He lost a lot of fan support with that, and people became less forgiving about his poor brand of football (that in all honesty is glorious to watch compared to the current dross).
We had it with Houllier with the Liverpool shit and the City stuff.
Alex McLeish actually had a fair amount of goodwill, but he started get anzy with the fans and just talking shite. By Bolton there was absolutely no coming back. People say we never gave him a chance because of the Blose connection, but despite no one wanting him, as soon as the ink dried on his contract, we gave him the benefit of proving us wrong. Results wise he started off reasonably okay too.
I just wonder whether the F.A Cup comments could be Lamberts first nail. We've put up with our worst results run in his tenure, and we've already endured knockouts from lower league opposition, and the worst football we've ever seen (and I include McLeish in that- in recent months its as bad as I've ever seen here). He's talked the talk up to this point. We've heard on and on about the plan and the patience we'll need but on the pitch it's been dreadful. But whether taken out of context or not, his comments the other day were extremely disappointing.
Lamberts hemorrhaging fans as it is, and comments like the other day almost seem like the beginning of the inevitable slide toward the exit door. In truth I hope it is because he's shite.
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Thanks for that reminder Pooligan. West Ham also invaded the pitch when we played them and we thought we were going to be murdered. All ignored.
One I did forget was the game on a par with today when we got knocked out by Millwall. The Millwall fans started throwing drinks at our players taking throws and the cops sort of sorted them out.
The result of that behaviour by THEIR fans was that we were kettled into a steel cage in temperatures of minus 5 celsius and kept there for over an hour. I really thought I was going to die. Then we were marched by the cops to the train station whether we wanted to go there or not and were forcibly taken to London Bridge station. My son who I was with lives five minutes walk from the New Den but we did not get back to his house until 2am. Any other club but Villa would have torn Millwall and the Met Police a new one in protest at the treatment of their travelling fans. What actually happened. Nothing.
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Welcome Cambridge Claret Where have you been hiding? Are you the great big lad with the out of date shirt I said hello to the other day in Hills Road and you ignored me?
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I definitely preferred football back in the days when there was'nt such comprehensive 24hr coverage. I'm going to be reading about this all and watching SSN all week now at least in the old days after Sunday you could get on with your life without constantly checking up on AVFC.
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Villa fans have never shown such patience to a manager, seeing what he is trying to do with younger players but the 'plan' has to show progress and to me this season the football has been turgid and unwatchable, we play every game on the break because Lambert's buys (all the same type of player, particularly in midfield) have no creativity or ability to impose themselves on the game.
Every team I've ever seen has to have some creativity to break down a defence (particularly at home) but we have none.
We play etter away because the home team usually need to show intent to attack, leaving them open to counter attack.
Having watched Villa in every game since Lambert's appointment I have to conclude tha this is his 'plan'.
I go back a long way and he reminds me so much of Tommy Docherty, young players at all costs, even if it means relegation, as it did in Docherty's case.
I can only conclude that he will not change, he will not buy creative orward thinking midfield players that you need t unlock a defence at home and that is why we have such an appalling home record.
Westwwod, Delph, El Ahamidi, Slla, et al cannot play a forward pass but are reasonably effective in holding the centre ground to set up a counter attacking style.
For this reason, added to the dire period we are suffeing, the lack of a coherent style to break down defences, and the manager's stubborness to change (another Docherty trait..it must be a Scots thing!!) I have to say the only solution for me would be for the manager to be relieved of his position.
The first thing an experienced manager would do is to sign better and more experienced players in the spine of the team, which is exactly what Vic Crowe as Docherty's replacement did, but unfortunately too late.
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Spot on Mr Arce.
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Whatever Lambert said the other day and whatever side he picked, we should never have lost today.
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Whatever Lambert said the other day and whatever side he picked, we should never have lost today.
Absolutely
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I had serious reservations about going today. Wish I hadn't bothered. Total waste of time and hard earned money. I can't watch much more of this rubbish. It's just not enjoyable going to home matches anymore, apart from the pre match pint.
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By the 40th minute I had completed two arrowords and had started a third. Not bad eh!
I kept thinking why,why,why.
Then I had a vision of Bruce Rioch hitting a 35yd screamer just inside the post and felt a lot better!
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The answer is of course Wes Hoolihan who cannot get into the relegation threatened Norwich side.
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By the 40th minute I had completed two arrowords and had started a third. Not bad eh!
I kept thinking why,why,why.
Then I had a vision of Bruce Rioch hitting a 35yd screamer just inside the post and felt a lot better!
Arrowroots ? Aren't they biscuits ?
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Nobody's listening. Shout as much as you like, the club will do things at their own pace.
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The answer is of course Wes Hoolihan who cannot get into the relegation threatened Norwich side.
Who is also 2 inches shorter than Wee Barry Bannan....
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Why attack Lerner? Even with our lack of big money signings we've still spent more than Sheff Utd only to be outplayed by them at home.
The manager's job first and foremost is to organise and motivate the players. Is there any evidence of Lambert doing this?
I'm just watching the American football and while comparison of the the two games is fairly pointless, the thing that always impresses me is that every single players knows exactly what they are supposed to be doing. There is no evidence that any current Villa player has any idea of what they are supposed to do. No wonder we look so shit.
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Right on the money Oscar. He is indeed very much like Tommy Docherty, especially his stubborn, inflexible "don't tell me what to do" attitude.
At least I got one thing right today. I stayed home. First home game I have missed this season. I was going to go but the weather was foul, I live a hundred and ten miles from the ground and I had nobody to go with so I bottled it. I am off to bed now so thanks for your company you have helped me get over the worst. Don't start tearing lumps out of each other again. I remain, your humble and obedient servant...etc etc.
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By the 40th minute I had completed two arrowords and had started a third. Not bad eh!
I kept thinking why,why,why.
Then I had a vision of Bruce Rioch hitting a 35yd screamer just inside the post and felt a lot better!
Arrowroots ? Aren't they biscuits ?
Dan you really must go to Specsavers . They must have a branch over there!
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Well what a shit ending to the Xmas holidays . Not looking forward to work Monday whatsoever.
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Villa fans have never shown such patience to a manager, seeing what he is trying to do with younger players but the 'plan' has to show progress and to me this season the football has been turgid and unwatchable, we play every game on the break because Lambert's buys (all the same type of player, particularly in midfield) have no creativity or ability to impose themselves on the game.
Every team I've ever seen has to have some creativity to break down a defence (particularly at home) but we have none.
We play etter away because the home team usually need to show intent to attack, leaving them open to counter attack.
Having watched Villa in every game since Lambert's appointment I have to conclude tha this is his 'plan'.
I go back a long way and he reminds me so much of Tommy Docherty, young players at all costs, even if it means relegation, as it did in Docherty's case.
I can only conclude that he will not change, he will not buy creative orward thinking midfield players that you need t unlock a defence at home and that is why we have such an appalling home record.
Westwwod, Delph, El Ahamidi, Slla, et al cannot play a forward pass but are reasonably effective in holding the centre ground to set up a counter attacking style.
For this reason, added to the dire period we are suffeing, the lack of a coherent style to break down defences, and the manager's stubborness to change (another Docherty trait..it must be a Scots thing!!) I have to say the only solution for me would be for the manager to be relieved of his position.
The first thing an experienced manager would do is to sign better and more experienced players in the spine of the team, which is exactly what Vic Crowe as Docherty's replacement did, but unfortunately too late.
'Young players at all costs' Oscar. Do you mean like Peter Broadbent?
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By the 40th minute I had completed two arrowords and had started a third. Not bad eh!
I kept thinking why,why,why.
Then I had a vision of Bruce Rioch hitting a 35yd screamer just inside the post and felt a lot better!
Arrowroots ? Aren't they biscuits ?
Dan you really must go to Specsavers . They must have a branch over there!
40 mins in and you were nearly on your third arrowroot is not bad going. They can dry the mouth out a tad, don't you find ?
Optician tomorrow pal.
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Well what a shit ending to the Xmas holidays . Not looking forward to work Monday whatsoever.
Shit Villa, shit Ashes. If it wasn't for an extended break from work, I'd have had the worst Christmas I can remember in a long time.
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I feel robbed. And I used my Villa cash to buy the ticket.
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3rd division side didn't need to play particularly well to beat us comfortably.
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Well what a shit ending to the Xmas holidays . Not looking forward to work Monday whatsoever.
Shit Villa, shit Ashes. If it wasn't for an extended break from work, I'd have had the worst Christmas I can remember in a long time.
shit I forgot about the ashes oh well at least the Villa will cheer me up oh wait errrrr the economy ??doh
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Villa fans have never shown such patience to a manager, seeing what he is trying to do with younger players but the 'plan' has to show progress and to me this season the football has been turgid and unwatchable, we play every game on the break because Lambert's buys (all the same type of player, particularly in midfield) have no creativity or ability to impose themselves on the game.
Every team I've ever seen has to have some creativity to break down a defence (particularly at home) but we have none.
We play etter away because the home team usually need to show intent to attack, leaving them open to counter attack.
Having watched Villa in every game since Lambert's appointment I have to conclude tha this is his 'plan'.
I go back a long way and he reminds me so much of Tommy Docherty, young players at all costs, even if it means relegation, as it did in Docherty's case.
I can only conclude that he will not change, he will not buy creative orward thinking midfield players that you need t unlock a defence at home and that is why we have such an appalling home record.
Westwwod, Delph, El Ahamidi, Slla, et al cannot play a forward pass but are reasonably effective in holding the centre ground to set up a counter attacking style.
For this reason, added to the dire period we are suffeing, the lack of a coherent style to break down defences, and the manager's stubborness to change (another Docherty trait..it must be a Scots thing!!) I have to say the only solution for me would be for the manager to be relieved of his position.
The first thing an experienced manager would do is to sign better and more experienced players in the spine of the team, which is exactly what Vic Crowe as Docherty's replacement did, but unfortunately too late.
'Young players at all costs' Oscar. Do you mean like Peter Broadbent?
Tommy Docherty didn't sign Peter Broadbent.
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Time for our owner to come out of his cave in the Catskill mountains and (as the yanks say) man up.
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Villa fans have never shown such patience to a manager, seeing what he is trying to do with younger players but the 'plan' has to show progress and to me this season the football has been turgid and unwatchable, we play every game on the break because Lambert's buys (all the same type of player, particularly in midfield) have no creativity or ability to impose themselves on the game.
Every team I've ever seen has to have some creativity to break down a defence (particularly at home) but we have none.
We play etter away because the home team usually need to show intent to attack, leaving them open to counter attack.
Having watched Villa in every game since Lambert's appointment I have to conclude tha this is his 'plan'.
I go back a long way and he reminds me so much of Tommy Docherty, young players at all costs, even if it means relegation, as it did in Docherty's case.
I can only conclude that he will not change, he will not buy creative orward thinking midfield players that you need t unlock a defence at home and that is why we have such an appalling home record.
Westwwod, Delph, El Ahamidi, Slla, et al cannot play a forward pass but are reasonably effective in holding the centre ground to set up a counter attacking style.
For this reason, added to the dire period we are suffeing, the lack of a coherent style to break down defences, and the manager's stubborness to change (another Docherty trait..it must be a Scots thing!!) I have to say the only solution for me would be for the manager to be relieved of his position.
The first thing an experienced manager would do is to sign better and more experienced players in the spine of the team, which is exactly what Vic Crowe as Docherty's replacement did, but unfortunately too late.
'Young players at all costs' Oscar. Do you mean like Peter Broadbent?
Tommy Docherty didn't sign Peter Broadbent.
I know but he brought him back into the team to provide a bit of class. Wonderful player to watch even though he was coming to the end of his glorious career.
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Yes.
I wish it was run like one.
Absoloutely. We have an owner whose soul aim has been to downgrade fans expectations. It's the only thing he's been successful at doing
Asda being run like a corner shop.
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I feel robbed. And I used my Villa cash to buy the ticket.
Me too. There wasn't even a transaction fee.
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Lambert is a bit of a wanker - that much is true! I was at Sunderland and we gave the majority of the possession to them, and they gifted us a goal! When we play away we can give the opposition the ball, and play on the counter. It isn't pretty, but quite effective. We also didn't play Ciaran Clarke too, a bit of a New Years treat if you don't mind me saying. However, when we play at home, it's a different ball game. Only the quality teams seem to attack us, and they have too much quality for us to defend for 90 minutes. We cannot keep the ball for extended periods, the quality isn't there. So we can either go two ways - play with a Martin o'twat wide style of play, giving more ariel service to Benteke and the other forwards, or simply go long ball with gabby and and a big man up top.
Today unfortunately I was washing my hair so I couldn't attend, but what I have heard is that we lacked any goal threatening oppotunities. For anyone who even suggests starting helenias (apologies for the spelling) you are clearly on drugs, he is one of the worst players I have ever seen grace the hallowed turf, along with Clarke, Luna, Bennet, el 'that bloke who can't pass in centre mid' and Sylla.
When you lose to a league 1 side you need to ask questions. When you lose to a league 1 side with a near enough first XI, then changes need to be made. Rumours of players like hoolahan being signed are frightening! Sources tell me it's near enough a done deal, it makes me wonder why doesn't lambert address the problem at hand. Mr Lambert please sign nasty bastard. Not someone like Joey Barton, he is shit. Someone who gives the team a purpose. Possible a midfielder who gets the occasional goal, or who just plays simple football, I like Kevin Nolan, however i do not feel he would fit the system.
Game after game Lambert seems to be losing the faith of more and more fans. No point getting rid of him, I personally think houiller was wrongly forced out, but that's just me. I don't think we will go down, but fuck me, a bit of interesting football at home would do. Your system works away, but as shown today, we might as well not turn up at home. For over 25 quid a game, just fucking change the system so the 35 thousand of us may actually want to come down, you stubborn Scottish fuck wit. Rant over!
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Villa fans have never shown such patience to a manager, seeing what he is trying to do with younger players but the 'plan' has to show progress and to me this season the football has been turgid and unwatchable, we play every game on the break because Lambert's buys (all the same type of player, particularly in midfield) have no creativity or ability to impose themselves on the game.
Every team I've ever seen has to have some creativity to break down a defence (particularly at home) but we have none.
We play etter away because the home team usually need to show intent to attack, leaving them open to counter attack.
Having watched Villa in every game since Lambert's appointment I have to conclude tha this is his 'plan'.
I go back a long way and he reminds me so much of Tommy Docherty, young players at all costs, even if it means relegation, as it did in Docherty's case.
I can only conclude that he will not change, he will not buy creative orward thinking midfield players that you need t unlock a defence at home and that is why we have such an appalling home record.
Westwwod, Delph, El Ahamidi, Slla, et al cannot play a forward pass but are reasonably effective in holding the centre ground to set up a counter attacking style.
For this reason, added to the dire period we are suffeing, the lack of a coherent style to break down defences, and the manager's stubborness to change (another Docherty trait..it must be a Scots thing!!) I have to say the only solution for me would be for the manager to be relieved of his position.
The first thing an experienced manager would do is to sign better and more experienced players in the spine of the team, which is exactly what Vic Crowe as Docherty's replacement did, but unfortunately too late.
'Young players at all costs' Oscar. Do you mean like Peter Broadbent?
Tommy Docherty didn't sign Peter Broadbent.
I know but he brought him back into the team to provide a bit of class. Wonderful player to watch even though he was coming to the end of his glorious career.
Yes he brought him back into the side briefly but he was signed by Dick Taylor from Shrewsbury for his 'Indian Summer' which included a great FA Cup run and saviour from relegation, but was soon jettisoned the following season when he bought only younger players. That was the comparison I was making with Lambert. And once it all went wrong, and just like Lambert,he just wouldn't change his course, the stubborn bugger.
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I personally think houiller was wrongly forced out
Houiller wasn't forced out. It was the little matter of a knackered ticker that meant he was no longer fit enough to do the job.
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I've just started watching the Little Fockers for the second time today.
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Villa fans have never shown such patience to a manager, seeing what he is trying to do with younger players but the 'plan' has to show progress and to me this season the football has been turgid and unwatchable, we play every game on the break because Lambert's buys (all the same type of player, particularly in midfield) have no creativity or ability to impose themselves on the game.
Every team I've ever seen has to have some creativity to break down a defence (particularly at home) but we have none.
We play etter away because the home team usually need to show intent to attack, leaving them open to counter attack.
Having watched Villa in every game since Lambert's appointment I have to conclude tha this is his 'plan'.
I go back a long way and he reminds me so much of Tommy Docherty, young players at all costs, even if it means relegation, as it did in Docherty's case.
I can only conclude that he will not change, he will not buy creative orward thinking midfield players that you need t unlock a defence at home and that is why we have such an appalling home record.
Westwwod, Delph, El Ahamidi, Slla, et al cannot play a forward pass but are reasonably effective in holding the centre ground to set up a counter attacking style.
For this reason, added to the dire period we are suffeing, the lack of a coherent style to break down defences, and the manager's stubborness to change (another Docherty trait..it must be a Scots thing!!) I have to say the only solution for me would be for the manager to be relieved of his position.
The first thing an experienced manager would do is to sign better and more experienced players in the spine of the team, which is exactly what Vic Crowe as Docherty's replacement did, but unfortunately too late.
'Young players at all costs' Oscar. Do you mean like Peter Broadbent?
Tommy Docherty didn't sign Peter Broadbent.
I know but he brought him back into the team to provide a bit of class. Wonderful player to watch even though he was coming to the end of his glorious career.
Yes he brought him back into the side briefly but he was signed by Dick Taylor from Shrewsbury for his 'Indian Summer' which included a great FA Cup run and saviour from relegation, but was soon jettisoned the following season when he bought only younger players. That was the comparison I was making with Lambert. And once it all went wrong, and just like Lambert,he just wouldn't change his course, the stubborn bugger.
The Doc was exactly the manager we needed to bring the club into the 20th century. Villa suddenly became known again. Lambert is a sour faced obstinate fool. The Doc made me laugh..a lot
Off to bed...goodnight children everywhere.
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I just heard that Walsall managed to beat them only 3 days ago. I assume they've spent a little less than Lambert in the past 18 months.
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I just heard that Walsall managed to beat them only 3 days ago. I assume they've spent a little less than Lambert in the past 18 months.
Apparently Dean Smith made a tactical change during the game which led to the win. Sounds revolutionary to me....
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I just heard that Walsall managed to beat them only 3 days ago. I assume they've spent a little less than Lambert in the past 18 months.
I think they're slightly further into their 'project' than we are.
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has he been sacked yet or was it a dream?
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I just heard that Walsall managed to beat them only 3 days ago. I assume they've spent a little less than Lambert in the past 18 months.
That's why the whole thing about Lambert having his hands tied doesn't wash with me. I can take us looking like a team of incompetents against Premier League teams because these aren't Premier League players, but when you can't break down League One and Two teams with equivalent players and above, that says to me the coaching has to take a massive amount of responsibility.
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Don't worry, everyone - Culverhouse has a plan...
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Villa fans have never shown such patience to a manager, seeing what he is trying to do with younger players but the 'plan' has to show progress and to me this season the football has been turgid and unwatchable, we play every game on the break because Lambert's buys (all the same type of player, particularly in midfield) have no creativity or ability to impose themselves on the game.
Every team I've ever seen has to have some creativity to break down a defence (particularly at home) but we have none.
We play etter away because the home team usually need to show intent to attack, leaving them open to counter attack.
Having watched Villa in every game since Lambert's appointment I have to conclude tha this is his 'plan'.
I go back a long way and he reminds me so much of Tommy Docherty, young players at all costs, even if it means relegation, as it did in Docherty's case.
I can only conclude that he will not change, he will not buy creative orward thinking midfield players that you need t unlock a defence at home and that is why we have such an appalling home record.
Westwwod, Delph, El Ahamidi, Slla, et al cannot play a forward pass but are reasonably effective in holding the centre ground to set up a counter attacking style.
For this reason, added to the dire period we are suffeing, the lack of a coherent style to break down defences, and the manager's stubborness to change (another Docherty trait..it must be a Scots thing!!) I have to say the only solution for me would be for the manager to be relieved of his position.
The first thing an experienced manager would do is to sign better and more experienced players in the spine of the team, which is exactly what Vic Crowe as Docherty's replacement did, but unfortunately too late.
'Young players at all costs' Oscar. Do you mean like Peter Broadbent?
Tommy Docherty didn't sign Peter Broadbent.
I know but he brought him back into the team to provide a bit of class. Wonderful player to watch even though he was coming to the end of his glorious career.
Yes he brought him back into the side briefly but he was signed by Dick Taylor from Shrewsbury for his 'Indian Summer' which included a great FA Cup run and saviour from relegation, but was soon jettisoned the following season when he bought only younger players. That was the comparison I was making with Lambert. And once it all went wrong, and just like Lambert,he just wouldn't change his course, the stubborn bugger.
The Doc was exactly the manager we needed to bring the club into the 20th century. Villa suddenly became known again. Lambert is a sour faced obstinate fool. The Doc made me laugh..a lot
Off to bed...goodnight children everywhere.
Yes that I agree with the Doc was just what we needed at that time of the takeover, but we didn't need him getting us relegated to the Third Division! Doc also had charisma and charm, unlike Lambert, sadly his tactical awareness was about the same as Lambert's! Goodnight too too Ron Ron
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I just heard that Walsall managed to beat them only 3 days ago. I assume they've spent a little less than Lambert in the past 18 months.
That's why the whole thing about Lambert having his hands tied doesn't wash with me. I can take us looking like a team of incompetents against Premier League teams because these aren't Premier League players, but when you can't break down League One and Two teams with equivalent players and above, that says to me the coaching has to take a massive amount of responsibility.
Exactly. Every week we look like a team of strangers, bereft of ideas and lacking any cohesion whatsoever.
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As much as I loathe Lambert and as much as I want him out this club, there is sadly a very low number of potential managers who could come in and turn our situation around. We're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't.
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As much as I loathe Lambert and as much as I want him out this club, there is sadly a very low number of potential managers who could come in and turn our situation around. We're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't.
Oh for fooks sake..glad I am abroad..Fee-ask-co! a Fiasco!
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Stick your mortgage on Arsenal and/or Liverpool then.
are you saying WE have a chance against arse?
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What is Mike Bassett doing at the moment, think he could come in and improve the style of play
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What is Mike Bassett doing at the moment, think he could come in and improve the style of play
Funnily enough...success at Norwich, goes to job with equal resources but much bigger expectations, proves that he knows lots of formations but doesn't know how to get players to actually pass the ball, surrounded with yes-men...
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Time for our owner to come out of his cave in the Catskill mountains and (as the yanks say) man up.
he obviously hasn't got the bolox. typical yank give it the big one and if you cant bluff , as we say in Erdington DO ONE.
HIS as much Villa as ellis their both cents and dimes
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I'm so happy my daughters 6th birthday party kept me from watching on the laptop today.
I wasn't one bit surprised we lost today, just like v Milwall, Bradford, Palace or anyone for that matter.
There is something seriously rotten at Villa Park.
We really are shit.
Sad times indeed and I'm not holding out for any change to this sorry state of affairs any time soon.
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I've had enough of people blaming MON, Lambert, Vlaar's absence, the players, Benteke. Please sell up Lerner. you have absolutely no idea how to run a football club.
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can some one tell me what is success to lerner
or should the question be what is failure?
this twat (lerner) although I could be talking about others at my club, are doing untold damage to our PROUD HISTORY
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The owner really has to come out and tell the fans what his plans for the club are. His fingers were burned with MON, but he has to decide whether he wants the club to move forward again because if this continues the value of the club will go down and he will end up losing big money. I understand he is a quiet man, but he needs to show some leadership qualities and as for the CEO, when the going gets tough, he also seems to go AWOL. I think Lambert has made a prize penis of himself this week and the performances this season have been nothing short of a disgrace. Lets be honest, we all know we are lucky to have the number of points that we have got. I have followed this great club since 1970 and never rarely have I felt so demoralised at how our club is going
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Has Martin Allen fallen into Gok's wardrobe? That cardigan is terrible, almost as bad as being beat today!
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I'd love to know what this plan is. And if we are on course to achieve it. I could do with a laugh right now.
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Lambert is a bit of a wanker - that much is true! I was at Sunderland and we gave the majority of the possession to them, and they gifted us a goal! When we play away we can give the opposition the ball, and play on the counter. It isn't pretty, but quite effective. We also didn't play Ciaran Clarke too, a bit of a New Years treat if you don't mind me saying. However, when we play at home, it's a different ball game. Only the quality teams seem to attack us, and they have too much quality for us to defend for 90 minutes. We cannot keep the ball for extended periods, the quality isn't there. So we can either go two ways - play with a Martin o'twat wide style of play, giving more ariel service to Benteke and the other forwards, or simply go long ball with gabby and and a big man up top.
Today unfortunately I was washing my hair so I couldn't attend, but what I have heard is that we lacked any goal threatening oppotunities. For anyone who even suggests starting helenias (apologies for the spelling) you are clearly on drugs, he is one of the worst players I have ever seen grace the hallowed turf, along with Clarke, Luna, Bennet, el 'that bloke who can't pass in centre mid' and Sylla.
When you lose to a league 1 side you need to ask questions. When you lose to a league 1 side with a near enough first XI, then changes need to be made. Rumours of players like hoolahan being signed are frightening! Sources tell me it's near enough a done deal, it makes me wonder why doesn't lambert address the problem at hand. Mr Lambert please sign nasty bastard. Not someone like Joey Barton, he is shit. Someone who gives the team a purpose. Possible a midfielder who gets the occasional goal, or who just plays simple football, I like Kevin Nolan, however i do not feel he would fit the system.
Game after game Lambert seems to be losing the faith of more and more fans. No point getting rid of him, I personally think houiller was wrongly forced out, but that's just me. I don't think we will go down, but fuck me, a bit of interesting football at home would do. Your system works away, but as shown today, we might as well not turn up at home. For over 25 quid a game, just fucking change the system so the 35 thousand of us may actually want to come down, you stubborn Scottish fuck wit. Rant over!
Blimey, if you're going to abuse Clark in your username you could at least spell his name right. Or preferably just change it altogether, it's totally uncalled for. You can mention your dissatisfaction with him in your rant. Oh, I see you have.
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I'd love to know what this plan is. And if we are on course to achieve it. I could do with a laugh right now.
The plan is 40pts. We are on course for around 43pts. We have replaced high earners with low earners. This season is on course for being a success. That is it.
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I'd love to know what this plan is. And if we are on course to achieve it. I could do with a laugh right now.
The plan is 40pts. We are on course for around 43pts. We have replaced high earners with low earners. This season is on course for being a success. That is it.
In a nutshell
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I'd love to know what this plan is. And if we are on course to achieve it. I could do with a laugh right now.
The plan is 40pts. We are on course for around 43pts. We have replaced high earners with low earners. This season is on course for being a success. That is it.
So we'd class this season as a success? Really?
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I shouldn't think our twat of a so called manager could even spell 'plan' never mind have one
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Don't worry, everyone - Culverhouse has a plan...
With no hesitation on my part, that pillock can f*** off immediately.
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The owner really has to come out and tell the fans what his plans for the club are. His fingers were burned with MON, but he has to decide whether he wants the club to move forward again because if this continues the value of the club will go down and he will end up losing big money. I understand he is a quiet man, but he needs to show some leadership qualities and as for the CEO, when the going gets tough, he also seems to go AWOL. I think Lambert has made a prize penis of himself this week and the performances this season have been nothing short of a disgrace. Lets be honest, we all know we are lucky to have the number of points that we have got. I have followed this great club since 1970 and never rarely have I felt so demoralised at how our club is going
You're right in that saying a good businessman/chairman would show some leadership. Unfortunately Lerner is serially incompetent - everything he touches goes tits up. He has already lost a small fortune in his mismanagement of AVFC 'Ltd'.
But he still doesn't have to do anything. He's only accountable to himself and therein lies the problem.
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I'd love to know what this plan is. And if we are on course to achieve it. I could do with a laugh right now.
The plan is 40pts. We are on course for around 43pts. We have replaced high earners with low earners. This season is on course for being a success. That is it.
So we'd class this season as a success? Really?
I wouldn't I'd class this season as a footballing shambles but if we reach 43pts it will be heralded by that nobody Faulkner and Lambert as a success like a trophy, we will then be patronized by more bullshit about the project.
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The patience and support of our fans has been abused by the management. They owe us a whole lot more than what we are getting, and that's not in any successful business plan. It's about time one if the board came out and fronted this pantomime. But they won't, they'd prefer to send the PR Rottweiler out to fight with the local media. Cockroaches.
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Can I have my club back?
The one which motto is "Prepared" not "Pants".
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The patience and support of our fans has been abused by the management. They owe us a whole lot more than what we are getting, and that's not in any successful business plan. It's about time one if the board came out and fronted this pantomime. But they won't, they'd prefer to send the PR Rottweiler out to fight with the local media. Cockroaches.
I find it amazing that 12 months down the line and 17 million quid later we are in the exact same position as last season discussing almost identical problems regarding the team. If ever there was a rudderless ship its the one we are all aboard.
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I don't give a toss about being 'a laughing stock', and I don't care what Rodney Marsh or Robbie Savage or any other pundit says about us.
But I do expect my club to give me something to look forward to, and to be honest a mediocre battle for tenth place isn't good enough.
Lambert's better signings have gone backwards. And he has successfully created an 'us versus them' mentality where Culverhouse is 'us' and the Holte End is 'them'.
Next year will kill him. He won't be able to turn twelfth place into sixth. He will survive to the end of the season but will be gone this time next year.
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This must be the longest post-match thread before the tide turns.
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I really thought Lambert was a good manager...
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Can I have my club back?
The one which motto is "Prepared" not "Pants".
With all the cutbacks, it'd be fitting to lose the 'Pre' bit of our motto and just leaved it as 'Pared'.
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I'm still too numb to write too much. But I will anyway.
Good to meet Mr Woodhall - well I have met him before several times but to formally introduce myself. The concourse in the Lower Witton was spacious and the draught beer was actually OK.
The match. Devoid of passion. Dire, turgid. No Leadership on or off the field. Why was Guzan 'rested' - he is our best player and at least shouts at the muppets. Tonev, Luna too poor to mention. Clark - Captain. Have we dropped so low that Championship player at best is our Captain? Not exactly Alan Evans is he? Weimann gave a disaply akin to Steve Hodge's in 1986.
We are in big trouble but so are 10 other clubs needing to feed on the breast of Premier League Milk. It may save us that there is more fear in them than us. Not skill, cohesion, talent, flair - just fear leading to ineptitude.
Lambert - out of his depth. Completely. Faulkner (it is his job) in hiring a football manager or (replacement) coach is so far out of his depth I wouldn't want him or Lerner to pick the next one. Not that it will happen in 2014 anyway.
As an aside well done the Blades and Clough Junior. It meant something to him - he was a good player IIRC but was absolutely ineffective in the one final his Old Man managed to get to.
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It's a good job the internet wasn't up and running when we went into the 3rd division this site would of gone into meltdown. This is aston villa and let's be honest they have took us to the highest of highs and the lowest of lows we just can't do things the easy and logical way even sir Mervyn king said supporting the villa is more stressful than running the economy how right is he.
Over the years when we have threatened to build on our success we have fucked it up remember that wonderful flowing team of gray,little and deehan in the 70s just totally vanished when it should of been the basis of great things to come.
Even the team of 80/81 should have ruled England and Europe for years but Saunders said when he left that every position is covered from 1st team to reserve to youth team and that someone will mess it up in 2 years and how right he was.
I really have give up on blaming anyone anymore is it randy lerners fault for not splashing the cash or lamberts for not installing more fight in them or tactics being shite.keep the faith guys I remember walking down Wilton lane when we was relegated to the 3rd div all those years ago with my grandad and he said you have to keep believing and just over a decade later we all know what happened.
I love ham sandwiches but I love the villa more and if you knew how much I love ham sandwiches then you will know how much I love the villa they are like my kids you don't only love them when they are good you love them when they are bad and boy are we bad at the moment.
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Proud History, Bright Future, Murky Present.
Proud History, Murky Present, Anxious Future.
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So it's
1. Villa
2. Ham sandwiches
3. Your kids
Sounds about right. But a bit of piccalilli would put the sandwiches very close to the top of that list
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Very good post rob_bridge.
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It's a good job the internet wasn't up and running when we went into the 3rd division this site would of gone into meltdown. This is aston villa and let's be honest they have took us to the highest of highs and the lowest of lows we just can't do things the easy and logical way even sir Mervyn king said supporting the villa is more stressful than running the economy how right is he.
Over the years when we have threatened to build on our success we have fucked it up remember that wonderful flowing team of gray,little and deehan in the 70s just totally vanished when it should of been the basis of great things to come.
Even the team of 80/81 should have ruled England and Europe for years but Saunders said when he left that every position is covered from 1st team to reserve to youth team and that someone will mess it up in 2 years and how right he was.
I really have give up on blaming anyone anymore is it randy lerners fault for not splashing the cash or lamberts for not installing more fight in them or tactics being shite.keep the faith guys I remember walking down Wilton lane when we was relegated to the 3rd div all those years ago with my grandad and he said you have to keep believing and just over a decade later we all know what happened.
I love ham sandwiches but I love the villa more and if you knew how much I love ham sandwiches then you will know how much I love the villa they are like my kids you don't only love them when they are good you love them when they are bad and boy are we bad at the moment.
Great post and we may get ot the heights of 6th in the Premiership or Premier League again in the next decade or two - assuming no super pow wow Euro league is formed. Football has changed and we are now (dubious oil money aside) one of the best of the rest at best. 3rd tier - nope. League winners - never.
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Clark as captain! its become a circus
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So it's
1. Villa
2. Ham sandwiches
3. Your kids
Sounds about right. But a bit of piccalilli would put the sandwiches very close to the top of that list
Piccalilli really? That really takes the award for strangest thing said today and there has been some contenders. Surely any sane human being would have English mustard?
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So it's
1. Villa
2. Ham sandwiches
3. Your kids
Sounds about right. But a bit of piccalilli would put the sandwiches very close to the top of that list
Piccalilli really? That really takes the award for strangest thing said today and there has been some contenders. Surely any sane human being would have English mustard?
Mods, ban this poster.
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That was beyond crap, embarrassing. Sheff U showed us how to move he ball through midfield which we haven't seen all season. Weimann looks like a twelve year old with a poor first touch, and when on the rare occasion he managed a decent first touch he would fall over the ball or run it into a sheff u player. It looked like nothing is done in preparation on the training ground. Total shambles. Westwood looks like a bloke who should be playing for Aberystwyth Town in the league of Wales with passes ending up in the trinity road middle tier. I just hope we turn up against Arse and get a point. This is worse than Bradford in my opinion as at least we just about looked better than Bradford.
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Actually, English mustard is also ace. Peace out to the ham sandwich massive
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Too late. villan1975 has been banned on your orders.
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Actually, English mustard is also ace. Peace out to the ham sandwich massive
Sorry, my new years resolution should be to accept all points of view no matter how alien and strange they may be.
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I'd love to know what this plan is. And if we are on course to achieve it. I could do with a laugh right now.
The plan is 40pts. We are on course for around 43pts. We have replaced high earners with low earners. This season is on course for being a success. That is it.
So we'd class this season as a success? Really?
I wouldn't I'd class this season as a footballing shambles but if we reach 43pts it will be heralded by that nobody Faulkner and Lambert as a success like a trophy, we will then be patronized by more bullshit about the project.
That was one of the most troubling aspects of his comments in the week for me. The stuff about the FA Cup has been covered in detail elsewhere, but I thought his comments about simply 'surviving' in the league were telling. Surely he has got more ambition than that?
As for what happened earlier, I just felt indifferent to it all really. After feeling very down and hurt about performances and the way the club has been ridiculed in the media over the past few seasons, I think I've reached a level of acceptance now. I just can't see it getting any better under Lerner and Lambert, and should Lambert go, I really can't see who would come in and make any difference. We would all like to see some more money spent, but on the other hand don't want to see the club racking up massive debts. I just get the feeling the club is stuck in a rut at the moment and is going to need big changes at every level to emerge from the current malaise it finds itself in.
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I don't give a toss about being 'a laughing stock', and I don't care what Rodney Marsh or Robbie Savage or any other pundit says about us.
But I do expect my club to give me something to look forward to, and to be honest a mediocre battle for tenth place isn't good enough.
Lambert's better signings have gone backwards. And he has successfully created an 'us versus them' mentality where Culverhouse is 'us' and the Holte End is 'them'.
Next year will kill him. He won't be able to turn twelfth place into sixth. He will survive to the end of the season but will be gone this time next year.
I'd agree with that Damon. I think he's going to have to conjure up just that level of spectacular improvement in form to turn around the ill will he's managed to generate this season, and he's clearly not capable of that. In spite of our current form I really don't think we'll go down, but I just can't see how he can remain in charge beyond this season without the full support of the fans.
One of the sorriest things about all this is that Lambert has actively sought to cultivate a siege mentality with the fans from the day he walked in the door, constantly showering us with praise and talking of making Villa Park a fortress; I think all of that was commendable and completely the right thing to do. He needed to try and galvanise the club as a whole. Unfortunately all his flattery has been fatally undermined by our pathetic home form, so it has begun to come across as deluded, patronising and infuriating. There is only so much people can take. The fans get angry, the management and players get defensive, and as frustration has grown it has quickly descended into the "them" and "us" mentality you referred to; once that's happened I think it's game over. It's just a matter of time.
Up until today I was prepared to sit tight and wait for an improvement in form (however crazy that may sound to some) but it now seems to me that even that wouldn't be enough. I fear too much damage has been done. Just look at the anguish on this forum. It doesn't even matter who's right or wrong any more, the point is that this is a desperately unhappy club; the fans, management and players appear divided. Without a freak change of fortunes and set of results, that is irreversible and is only going one way.
Like you, I couldn't give a stuff what assorted pundits or fans of other clubs think. I'd just like to enjoy watching my team play once in a while. Not too much to ask is it?
I think we'll limp to a 14th/15th place finish this season, and then Lambert and Lerner can engineer some sort of mutual consent departure so no one loses face. And we'll go again...
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The only bright spot was I was pleased for my old mate Nigel Clough. We have been friends for over twenty years since I spent some time with him in the build up to the '91 FA cup final.
OK, that was a slight exaggeration. He was sat next to me at a Paul Simon concert at the NEC a few days before the final and we nodded politely to each other when he took his seat.
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You Can Call Me Pal?
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Mickey Mouse cup anyway
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When I got up and saw the result I wasn't the least bit surprised.
I expect nothing from the FA Cup in terms of actually winning the thing any more but I wold expect more than what we've heard and seen this week. Where is the ambition?
I'm a long term supporter of Lambert (living abroad I'm fortunate enough to have only seen two live games this season and one was Man Citeh) but it ain't working.
Problem is with Lerner and Faulkner at the helm the lack of ambition will remain.
I can't quite believe its come to this.......
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shit manager buys shit players and has no idea how to manage them. all this talk of our budget being so small we should tailor our expectations, how much have swansea spent? how much have southampton spent? very similar amounts. fuck off lambert, you have ruined villa park. a once great stadium now lies in tatters because of your negative, dour, clueless football.
we're not fickle, you're just a shit manager
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Both Swansea and Southampton spent more. Southampton a lot more. Swansea are below us.
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Managers are hired to be fired and Lambert's time will come soon enough. Sadly, that then asks the most important question - who and what, culturally, comes next. After at least four years of pain, we have to get it right but unless we , i.e. RL and PF, take qualified independent advice from people who really know the market, I doubt we will. IMO a prerequisite of future managerial change should be the concurrent appointment of someone to the board who lives and breathes football.
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Having slept on it I still think that Lerner and Faulkner will attempt to paper over the cracks.
After yesterday the truth is writ large for all with eyes to see. We have appointed another sub-standard manager. Faulkner will not dare face this truth because it is his fourth managerial failure if you believe, as I do, that MON was a prodigious money waster, Houllier was never well enough for premiership management, TSM was a wild and random straw of perceived financial salvation clutched at and Lambert got the job by simply not being TSM and cultivating a fantasy that there is a master plan behind his incompetence.
After all these years I think I know the Villa pretty well and extending the criticisms which were made on this thread last night that we never really assert our selves I expect Lerner and Faulkner to cobble together a compromise of bringing in hired "help" in the form of somebody like Glen Hoddle. This would offer the board a win-win option of either so outraging Lambert and Culverhouse that they resign or them staying and Hoddle (or whoever) bringing an improvement in results and the premiership survival which is our holy grail.
As always the problem with such a compromise solution lies in the fact that neither Faulkner nor Lerner is a football man and the parachuting in of a Hoddle type fixer would outrage a fan base already at breaking point. I would not put it past them being so out of touch with football reality that they would approach somebody like Redknapp.
I think Lambert is a dullard who, jointly with Culverhouse, has, as my son rightly says gone head to head with the fans. That can have only one outcome but I hate to say that we shall be relegated before that boil is lanced.
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My two teenage grandsons came up from their home in the Cotswolds to watch this match. It was embarrassing. This once great Club was absolutely humbled by a team that's struggling in the 3rd Division. The high spot for me was listening to and identifying with the wall of sound that was generated by the 6,000 Blades' supporters at the opposite end of the ground. This was in marked contrast to the weak, quavering rendition of "Holte Enders in the Sky" that occasionally trickled out from our demoralised supporters.
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That song Holte Enders In The Sky is not a tape. It is not played over the public address system. It is a tribute to the players and it has to be earned. Take a look at our home record and you will understand why a "quavering" rendition "trickled" out of the Holte End.
En passant, if you had come with your grandsons to Sheffield United when we played them two seasons ago you would have noticed that our travelling fans were more numerous than their home support.
Criticize the players, criticize the board, criticize the manager but do not criticize the fans. Bearing in mind what we have had to endure the supporters have been brilliant.
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I just can't see Lerner and Faulkner bringing in someone like Hoddle.
They seem to have either a blind faith in Lambert or don't perceive there to be a massive problem.
Even if they did think there is a problem they are neither Machievellian or clever enough to scheme in this way to oust Lambert.
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I just can't see Lerner and Faulkner bringing in someone like Hoddle.
They seem to have either a blind faith in Lambert or don't perceive there to be a massive problem.
Even if they did think there is a problem they are neither Machievellian or clever enough to scheme in this way to oust Lambert.
Glenn Hoddle is a yesterday's man, a very very average one at that.
He is NOT the answer to our problems, I have no idea who is mind you ???
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Don't get me wrong. Not for one minute do I think they should bring in Hoddle or anybody like him but the record of Faulkner and Lerner is one of naivety and I expect them to continue in the same vein. To them Lambert has been doing as he has been told and because both Faulkner and Lerner are bean counters they will look at the savings Lambert has made and that will save him from the sack. They will turn their attention to what, to them, is the much lesser problem of the unhappiness of the supporters at the performances which have to be endured on the pitch week in week out. The performances will not be addressed because that would cost money to buy in better players on bigger wages so the matter of the unhappiness of the fans, being the cheaper problem (they think) to solve will be addressed. The standard business model manual says in these circumstance have a PR initiative and my guess is that will take the form of bringing in a "name" perhaps as DOF, perhaps a board member, perhaps a consultant. Some sort of lollipop to sweeten the fans.
We ceased to be a football club a couple of years back and became a brand. There will be a business related reaction to the current sickness at the heart of the club not a playing performance related one.
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Faulkner will not want to admit to another managerial error and they will continue the project sadly in my opinion - we look a team shot on confidence and playing badly and I expect serious hammering against arsenal and Liverpool - lambert may well bring in players to help- but he is poor on organisation and poor on tactics .
Last season after about 6 months he hit on a formation and style of play that paid dividends - this season i doubt he will find that sort of success and eventually I can see him taking us down .
People will point at the table and say we are comfortable in 11th but the truth is any of the bottom half could be relegated , it's very tight down there and defeats to Liverpool and arsenal will see us right in the relegation fight and in the bottom 6 ,if not the bottom 4.
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So the saying goes that the manager has the board's confidence actually rings true for once.....
It's a pity the manager has lost the fans' confidence as evidenced from the previous 33 pages
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I really thought Lambert was a good manager...
I thought he was too - alas we need a great manager at this point in time. He will never ever be that.
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I really thought Lambert was a good manager...
I thought he was too - alas we need a great manager at this point in time. He will never ever be that.
Me too - I wanted him to get the job and never envisaged this kind of turgid football - i expected him to give us exciting attacking football - time to admit it was a mistake and look elsewhere.
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My worry is that I can see us dropping this season to join Blues next season. I then think we are so bad and could do a Wolves and drop straight into League one.
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Lambert will never be sacked while the club remain in mid table
So if you really really want to see the back of him, you will have to hope we lose a few games and put ourselves in danger, next two might be a bit tricky
To all those that will now post, 'I never want the Villa to lose' well he won't be going anywhere until we are scrapping like dogs down there,
I don't want him gone yet so I'm OK, but I did want Mcliesh gone big time, and I openly admit I didn't mind losing a few to see the back of him, I didn't like it but I knew it was another nail driven into the wooden box,
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A big step in the right direction which of course will never happen is for Paul Lambert to get himself in front of a camera and address the Villa fans directly. None of the bullshit about what wonderful fans we are and how we are the backbone of the club and all the flannel he comes out with - just a simple statement that he got things wrong and that he has made mistakes. Clear plain English acknowledging that he and Culverhouse have to change. That things have to be done differently. If we thought that the future holds more than the immediate past it would help heal the massive wounds Lambert has inflicted on the club and its standing in football. But it is not going to happen. His communication with the fans will be like his communication with the players. He will shake his head and clap his hands a bit.
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So the morning after and I'm more depressed today than yesterday. We really are a shower of shit aren't we? I fear where we will be by the end of the month. Signing Norwich reserves who are smaller than Bannan won't make much difference.
I would love Lerner, Faulkner and Mumbles out. They are taking us towards the abyss.
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That song Holte Enders In The Sky is not a tape. It is not played over the public address system. It is a tribute to the players and it has to be earned. Take a look at our home record and you will understand why a "quavering" rendition "trickled" out of the Holte End.
En passant, if you had come with your grandsons to Sheffield United when we played them two seasons ago you would have noticed that our travelling fans were more numerous than their home support.
Criticize the players, criticize the board, criticize the manager but do not criticize the fans. Bearing in mind what we have had to endure the supporters have been brilliant.
I didn't read his post as a criticism of our supporters necessarily, just an observance that we're so battered and bruised (demoralised in his words) that even our favourite song gets stuck somewhere between throat and lip! I notice you took offence last night at Villa fans infighting but your dismissal of alanclare doesn't support that stance, cut him some slack Brian! Poor chap must be traumatised after his family day out was ruined by Lambo's lambs
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I think the worst part of yesterday will actually be today...when they draw the fourth round and it matters none to us. How utterly depressing.
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I did not dismiss him I defended myself as a Holte ender of seventy years. I am very proud of the Villa fans. I was also not best pleased at being considered a lesser fan than a Sheffield United one.
As for me taking offence at seeing Villa fans fighting each other in the ground, I regard such actions as completely inexcusable. It is a symptom of the fans distress but every bit as bad as homophobia and racism if not worse.
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Fifty one league places. The third biggest gap between FA cup opponents yesterday. We were the shock of the day and the only Premier League team to go out to non Premier League opposition. Of course a couple of inspiring signings and inspiring performances and results in January could still turn things around. The problem is that none of us can see any of those things happening.
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Mornin' everyone! Right! As of yet Lambert has not used the immortal phrase 'I am not a quitter' but he will. The only way he is going is if
Lerner sacks him, as he might. As quite a few mentioned last night when Lerner realises season tickets have not been renewed and by a considerable ammount then he will definately be on his way north of the border. The fans have given him more leeway than any Villa manager in my time going down Villa Park (which is 58 years) and his time is more or less up.
We all wanted this manager to succeed but despite the promiseshe made on arrival the football served up is every bit as bad as Alex McLeish's.
New club owner? New manager? Well it might happen, we shall have to wait and see.
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Mornin' everyone! Right! As of yet Lambert has not used the immortal phrase 'I am not a quitter' but he will. The only way he is going is if
Lerner sacks him, as he might. As quite a few mentioned last night when Lerner realises season tickets have not been renewed and by a considerable ammount then he will definately be on his way north of the border. The fans have given him more leeway than any Villa manager in my time going down Villa Park (which is 58 years) and his time is more or less up.
We all wanted this manager to succeed but despite the promiseshe made on arrival the football served up is every bit as bad as Alex McLeish's.
New club owner? New manager? Well it might happen, we shall have to wait and see.
I fear by then that the damage will have already been done though sadly.
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Fifty one league places. The third biggest gap between FA cup opponents yesterday. We were the shock of the day and the only Premier League team to go out to non Premier League opposition. Of course a couple of inspiring signings and inspiring performances and results in January could still turn things around. The problem is that none of us can see any of those things happening.
The most shocking thing about this shock defeat is that it wasn't a shock.
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We have turned into Southampton of 1990's. Also rans who frequently change managers and regularly get picked off by lower league opposition in cups.
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Can I just say that I really, really detest Nigel Clough.
Thanks.
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I did not dismiss him I defended myself as a Holte ender of seventy years. I am very proud of the Villa fans. I was also not best pleased at being considered a lesser fan than a Sheffield United one.
As for me taking offence at seeing Villa fans fighting each other in the ground, I regard such actions as completely inexcusable. It is a symptom of the fans distress but every bit as bad as homophobia and racism if not worse.
i wasn't referring to violence, you're quite right that would be inexcusable, I meant the verbal jousting that you'd objected to and called in the Mods (big apology if it wasn't you).
I don't think he considers Sheffield utd fans better than yow but it does remind me of a funny incident of Villa fan chest thumping I witnessed in the 80s at the train station in Manchester after Utd had relegated us. 2 blokes came to blows when arguing over who was the most 'Villa Till I Die' merchant. It all boiled down to which of them had been to a particular midweek away game (I think Wimbledon) and given bloke 1 had to concede he hadn't gone, he dealt with the ignominy by bopping bloke 2 on the nose!
That's the tragedy of Villa's bad years, it tips folk over the edge.
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Lerner and Faulkner are too weak to act. Lambert should've gone after the Bradford debacle last year - we got away with it by the skin of our teeth in the end. Other clubs have sacked their Managers for far less. The majority of the fans have lost confidence in the Manager, this will transmit to the dressing room if it hasn't already. Lambert and most of his players are simply not good enough, so this long term vision and plan will fail on a lack of quality.
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I did not object yesterday to the Mods about what you call "verbal jousting" I objected to a poster using the words "retarded" "yank" and "septic" in a tirade of almost incoherent abuse aimed at Randy Lerner. I can joust with the best of you. Just try me.
As for the anecdote about the Villa fans trying to prove higher rank as a fan from seeing more games or whatever I am not suddenly going to hide how long I have stood on the Holte to protect myself from accusations real or insinuated that I claim to be better than anybody else. Just older.
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I have, in the past few days contacted a couple of fans of the Cleveland Browns (through a fans forum) and basically they confirmed,whilst in charge of the Browns, Randy hardly said a word to the supporters of the team he owned. Apparently his father who owned the club before his son was a little more forthcoming but not by much!
I think Randy Lerner is a very nice man who look on our club as a hobby. I believe he would sell if someone came up with a decent offer.
I hope a buyer can be found.
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Lerner and Faulkner are too weak to act. Lambert should've gone after the Bradford debacle last year - we got away with it by the skin of our teeth in the end. Other clubs have sacked their Managers for far less. The majority of the fans have lost confidence in the Manager, this will transmit to the dressing room if it hasn't already. Lambert and most of his players are simply not good enough, so this long term vision and plan will fail on a lack of quality.
Lerner was accused by many browns fans of being trigger happy during his reign there never hesitating to pull the trigger on coaches - both houllier and Mcleish went after a season albeit houllier had health issues - Lambert may not be quite as safe as he thinks he is.
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I have, in the past few days contacted a couple of fans of the Cleveland Browns (through a fans forum) and basically they confirmed,whilst in charge of the Browns, Randy hardly said a word to the supporters of the team he owned. Apparently his father who owned the club before his son was a little more forthcoming but not by much!
I think Randy Lerner is a very nice man who look on our club as a hobby. I believe he would sell if someone came up with a decent offer.
I hope a buyer can be found.
In American football though they have the various coaches and then the general manager who is front of house and the mouthpiece between club fans and media.
We get Paul Lambore and his weekly repetitive paragraph and nothing else.
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To be fair we do have a coach who enjoys communicating with the fans.
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To be fair we do have a coach who enjoys communicating with the fans.
Very good Damo!
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Lerner and Faulkner are too weak to act. Lambert should've gone after the Bradford debacle last year - we got away with it by the skin of our teeth in the end. Other clubs have sacked their Managers for far less. The majority of the fans have lost confidence in the Manager, this will transmit to the dressing room if it hasn't already. Lambert and most of his players are simply not good enough, so this long term vision and plan will fail on a lack of quality.
Lerner was accused by many browns fans of being trigger happy during his reign there never hesitating to pull the trigger on coaches - both houllier and Mcleish went after a season albeit houllier had health issues - Lambert may not be quite as safe as he thinks he is.
I don't think he is safe,
if like many, including you think we will soon be in trouble in the bottom area of the division then he will be in danger of the sack, no doubt
But while we remain playing rubbish football but bobbing around mid table then there is no way he is going to be sacked
Randy will not sack a manager when he is doing the job he came in to do, which was to lift us up the table while cost cutting at the same time
When the situation changes in the league table, then you might get your wish
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Lambert lost us that game, even if his comments were taken out of context, they set the tone for the match.The players were not up for it and the supporters were not up for it. It also gave a hell of a lot of motivation to Sheffield United. We were there for the taking, thanks to Lambert a result as predictable as night following day.
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Let's forget it..put it behind us and get head into gear to save us from the drop!
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Lerner and Faulkner are too weak to act. Lambert should've gone after the Bradford debacle last year - we got away with it by the skin of our teeth in the end. Other clubs have sacked their Managers for far less. The majority of the fans have lost confidence in the Manager, this will transmit to the dressing room if it hasn't already. Lambert and most of his players are simply not good enough, so this long term vision and plan will fail on a lack of quality.
Lerner was accused by many browns fans of being trigger happy during his reign there never hesitating to pull the trigger on coaches - both houllier and Mcleish went after a season albeit houllier had health issues - Lambert may not be quite as safe as he thinks he is.
I don't think he is safe,
if like many, including you think we will soon be in trouble in the bottom area of the division then he will be in danger of the sack, no doubt
But while we remain playing rubbish football but bobbing around mid table then there is no way he is going to be sacked
Randy will not sack a manager when he is doing the job he came in to do, which was to lift us up the table while cost cutting at the same time
When the situation changes in the league table, then you might get your wish
Possibly so, but by then the transfer window will be over and any new man would have no chance to bring in anyone to improve the squad - its possible the new manager effect may produce results as PDC found at Sunderland but ideally if a change is to be made then it should be now to give a new man chance to bring in a couple of his own players.
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Let's forget it..put it behind us and get head into gear to save us from the drop!
Our sole ambition as a club. Avoiding relegation year in year out. Depressing.
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Lerner and Faulkner are too weak to act. Lambert should've gone after the Bradford debacle last year - we got away with it by the skin of our teeth in the end. Other clubs have sacked their Managers for far less. The majority of the fans have lost confidence in the Manager, this will transmit to the dressing room if it hasn't already. Lambert and most of his players are simply not good enough, so this long term vision and plan will fail on a lack of quality.
Lerner was accused by many browns fans of being trigger happy during his reign there never hesitating to pull the trigger on coaches - both houllier and Mcleish went after a season albeit houllier had health issues - Lambert may not be quite as safe as he thinks he is.
I don't think he is safe,
if like many, including you think we will soon be in trouble in the bottom area of the division then he will be in danger of the sack, no doubt
But while we remain playing rubbish football but bobbing around mid table then there is no way he is going to be sacked
Randy will not sack a manager when he is doing the job he came in to do, which was to lift us up the table while cost cutting at the same time
When the situation changes in the league table, then you might get your wish
Possibly so, but by then the transfer window will be over and any new man would have no chance to bring in anyone to improve the squad - its possible the new manager effect may produce results as PDC found at Sunderland but ideally if a change is to be made then it should be now to give a new man chance to bring in a couple of his own players.
Like I say there were people expecting Lerner to be called into the office for his cards yesterday, things like 'tipping point' 'dead man walking' 'he's a gonna' were all posted, when in my view we are no where near that yet
As far as Randy is concerned Lambert has got the team up the league with more points, more goals and less goals conceded than this time last year,
all this whilst buying cheap nobodies payed in washers and getting a few high earning wastrels out at the same time
Until that changs you won't get your wish no matter how much you try and justify it with an impending transfer window
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If we played the England Test squad we would probably lose 5-0
Thats how bad its got!
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Lerner and Faulkner are too weak to act. Lambert should've gone after the Bradford debacle last year - we got away with it by the skin of our teeth in the end. Other clubs have sacked their Managers for far less. The majority of the fans have lost confidence in the Manager, this will transmit to the dressing room if it hasn't already. Lambert and most of his players are simply not good enough, so this long term vision and plan will fail on a lack of quality.
No decent manager would take over at Villa while Lerner runs us on a shoestring, that's why he won't sack Lambert.
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Lerner and Faulkner are too weak to act. Lambert should've gone after the Bradford debacle last year - we got away with it by the skin of our teeth in the end. Other clubs have sacked their Managers for far less. The majority of the fans have lost confidence in the Manager, this will transmit to the dressing room if it hasn't already. Lambert and most of his players are simply not good enough, so this long term vision and plan will fail on a lack of quality.
No decent manager would take over at Villa while Lerner runs us on a shoestring, that's why he won't sack Lambert.
Not quite a shoestring - £43m spent on players from June 12 to August 13 is a lot more than many clubs .
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Let's forget it..put it behind us and get head into gear to save us from the drop!
Our sole ambition as a club. Avoiding relegation year in year out. Depressing.
Couldn't agree more..year on year!! Sell Benteke before his shelf life is up and his January 'sale' price is marked down!..get someone less prone to injury..and depression
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I went to a christening yesterday so didn't see any of it. Not watching the highlights prog either. Ignorance is not exactly bliss but it spares me some heartache.
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Having slept on it I still think that Lerner and Faulkner will attempt to paper over the cracks.
After yesterday the truth is writ large for all with eyes to see. We have appointed another sub-standard manager. Faulkner will not dare face this truth because it is his fourth managerial failure if you believe, as I do, that MON was a prodigious money waster, Houllier was never well enough for premiership management, TSM was a wild and random straw of perceived financial salvation clutched at and Lambert got the job by simply not being TSM and cultivating a fantasy that there is a master plan behind his incompetence.
After all these years I think I know the Villa pretty well and extending the criticisms which were made on this thread last night that we never really assert our selves I expect Lerner and Faulkner to cobble together a compromise of bringing in hired "help" in the form of somebody like Glen Hoddle. This would offer the board a win-win option of either so outraging Lambert and Culverhouse that they resign or them staying and Hoddle (or whoever) bringing an improvement in results and the premiership survival which is our holy grail.
As always the problem with such a compromise solution lies in the fact that neither Faulkner nor Lerner is a football man and the parachuting in of a Hoddle type fixer would outrage a fan base already at breaking point. I would not put it past them being so out of touch with football reality that they would approach somebody like Redknapp.
I think Lambert is a dullard who, jointly with Culverhouse, has, as my son rightly says gone head to head with the fans. That can have only one outcome but I hate to say that we shall be relegated before that boil is lanced.
We can easily criticise the appointmentn now, Brian, but:
I don't know one Villa fan who wasn't over the Moon at MO'Ns appointment. Yes, he wasted money, I don't recall anyone moaning at the time :), but, at the same time we had 3 successive 6th places, which is far from failure.
Houlier wasn't everyone's cup of tea, but, I thought he had us playing decent stuff come the end of the season. With hindsight, the move would have been to move GH upstairs and promote McAlister.
McLeish, yes, well, the less said the better.
Lambert, not my choice, but, I reckon 70 -80% of Villa fans wanted him bought in.
It's depressing stuff, but, so was this time last season. I hope we can pick ourselves up like last season, too.
Not having a pop at you, Brian, I've read plenty of your posts this thread which are spot on.
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I don't give a toss about being 'a laughing stock', and I don't care what Rodney Marsh or Robbie Savage or any other pundit says about us.
But I do expect my club to give me something to look forward to, and to be honest a mediocre battle for tenth place isn't good enough.
Lambert's better signings have gone backwards. And he has successfully created an 'us versus them' mentality where Culverhouse is 'us' and the Holte End is 'them'.
Next year will kill him. He won't be able to turn twelfth place into sixth. He will survive to the end of the season but will be gone this time next year.
I'd agree with that Damon. I think he's going to have to conjure up just that level of spectacular improvement in form to turn around the ill will he's managed to generate this season, and he's clearly not capable of that. In spite of our current form I really don't think we'll go down, but I just can't see how he can remain in charge beyond this season without the full support of the fans.
One of the sorriest things about all this is that Lambert has actively sought to cultivate a siege mentality with the fans from the day he walked in the door, constantly showering us with praise and talking of making Villa Park a fortress; I think all of that was commendable and completely the right thing to do. He needed to try and galvanise the club as a whole. Unfortunately all his flattery has been fatally undermined by our pathetic home form, so it has begun to come across as deluded, patronising and infuriating. There is only so much people can take. The fans get angry, the management and players get defensive, and as frustration has grown it has quickly descended into the "them" and "us" mentality you referred to; once that's happened I think it's game over. It's just a matter of time.
Up until today I was prepared to sit tight and wait for an improvement in form (however crazy that may sound to some) but it now seems to me that even that wouldn't be enough. I fear too much damage has been done. Just look at the anguish on this forum. It doesn't even matter who's right or wrong any more, the point is that this is a desperately unhappy club; the fans, management and players appear divided. Without a freak change of fortunes and set of results, that is irreversible and is only going one way.
Like you, I couldn't give a stuff what assorted pundits or fans of other clubs think. I'd just like to enjoy watching my team play once in a while. Not too much to ask is it?
I think we'll limp to a 14th/15th place finish this season, and then Lambert and Lerner can engineer some sort of mutual consent departure so no one loses face. And we'll go again...
Good post.
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Just been thru the match thread in a bar in Tenerife , its taking bloody five mins to load each page , so took bloody hours,
Am I shocked with the result , no
Am I gutted ,yes
This manager is awful , get rid now .
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Lerner and Faulkner are too weak to act. Lambert should've gone after the Bradford debacle last year - we got away with it by the skin of our teeth in the end. Other clubs have sacked their Managers for far less. The majority of the fans have lost confidence in the Manager, this will transmit to the dressing room if it hasn't already. Lambert and most of his players are simply not good enough, so this long term vision and plan will fail on a lack of quality.
No decent manager would take over at Villa while Lerner runs us on a shoestring, that's why he won't sack Lambert.
Not quite a shoestring - £43m spent on players from June 12 to August 13 is a lot more than many clubs .
But put the signings on Championship wages.You get what you pay for in this life.
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Poor game between two poor sides. No surprise to see us go out, we have made a habbit of going out to lower league sides for as along as I can remember.
On the bright side, I will save some money in tickets and diesel.
Helenius looked decent, much of the rest is entirely forgettable.
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In the context of 'shit happens' sometimes in cup competitions, it seems to have reached utter incontinence proportions in our case. Time for some effective medication.
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Poor game between two poor sides. No surprise to see us go out, we have made a habbit of going out to lower league sides for as along as I can remember.
Not so easy to brush this over as we have been doing so for a while now on League games. Just exactly how poor are we that a struggling 3rd division team outplayed us...mind boggling.
We also can't just put this one in the category of "we have a habit". A shock result is part and parcel of the cup game but this after Millwall and Bradford is NOT acceptable as shock. This is pure incompetence of the lowest order. This team and management have descended to a shocking state.
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After 2 incredibly strange managerial appointments, I think 18 months into a new regime, most us would have settled for improved performances, no more relegation battles and no cup humiliations.
We are no further forward.
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If we played the England Test squad we would probably lose 5-0
Thats how bad its got!
Anyway did you and Lady Ron enjoy the panto?
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If we played the England Test squad we would probably lose 5-0
Thats how bad its got!
Anyway did you and Lady Ron enjoy the panto?
They did at 4-55 when it had finished ;)
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Quite apart from the result, i`m just gutted i didnt take Utd to win at 7/1, because most fans we spoke to could see what was coming, i`m just amazed the bookies were so generous, how far have we fallen?....
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After 2 incredibly strange managerial appointments, I think 18 months into a new regime, most us would have settled for improved performances, no more relegation battles and no cup humiliations.
We are no further forward.
Yes that's me as well. I accepted the disgraceful displays Bradford x2 and Millwall last season in the hope that we were building something. I also accepted this season that whilst we are not very good it will OK to hang around 14th to 10th and then build on that. I did not expect this humiliation.
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If we played the England Test squad we would probably lose 5-0
Thats how bad its got!
Anyway did you and Lady Ron enjoy the panto?
Oh yes we did! Two pantos in a day...is this a record?
Pasquale The panto's star striker was very good...squeaky clean though,no filth. Culverhouse wouldnt have appreciated him.
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Quite apart from the result, i`m just gutted i didnt take Utd to win at 7/1, because most fans we spoke to could see what was coming, i`m just amazed the bookies were so generous, how far have we fallen?....
Those odds came in to around 5/1 by kick-off so I think a lot of people were piling on cash.
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After 2 incredibly strange managerial appointments, I think 18 months into a new regime, most us would have settled for improved performances, no more relegation battles and no cup humiliations.
We are no further forward.
Yes that's me as well. I accepted the disgraceful displays Bradford x2 and Millwall last season in the hope that we were building something. I also accepted this season that whilst we are not very good it will OK to hang around 14th to 10th and then build on that. I did not expect this humiliation.
I agree about McLeish but I actually thought Houllier and Mcallister were starting to make some progress before his unfortunate illness. If he'd have stayed he would have signed Cabaye for example.
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So you get rid of Lambert, then what is the alternative? Is there a manager out there that we could get that would improve us? I'm not saying PL should stay, but you need a succession plan.
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I just managed to bring myself to stomach some highlights. What struck me was the reaction of the players to the goals conceded. There was a general air of acceptance and no displays of anger or frustration at the insult to their professional pride. They look like losers. Ciaran Clark's interview on AVTV is telling too - talks of miss chances with undertones of bad luck. Do we think they realise just how dire their home form is? They don't look arsed and the downgrading of expectations throughout the club is remarkable.
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I did not object yesterday to the Mods about what you call "verbal jousting" I objected to a poster using the words "retarded" "yank" and "septic" in a tirade of almost incoherent abuse aimed at Randy Lerner. I can joust with the best of you. Just try me.
As for the anecdote about the Villa fans trying to prove higher rank as a fan from seeing more games or whatever I am not suddenly going to hide how long I have stood on the Holte to protect myself from accusations real or insinuated that I claim to be better than anybody else. Just older.
The poster involved was pulled up by both myself and PWS. Any repeat will be dealt with further.
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Quite apart from the result, i`m just gutted i didnt take Utd to win at 7/1, because most fans we spoke to could see what was coming, i`m just amazed the bookies were so generous, how far have we fallen?....
Those odds came in to around 5/1 by kick-off so I think a lot of people were piling on cash.
i think, if true, that speaks volumes for the direction the club is heading.
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Didn't PL get brought in because he was a good motivator? It's a shame Benteke hasn't been firing and our defence has been reduced to Clark and Baker in the middle at times - it seems to make the whole squad uncomfortable and understandably so!!
We all knew what was happening when Lambert came in, we have to stick with it now!
Would you rather Malky?
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My son is nearly 4 now and I'm itching to take him down to a game (I had pencilled in Hull for the last home game of the season), just like my old man did with me when I was a nipper.
How the hell am I going to get him interested in this dross?
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Didn't PL get brought in because he was a good motivator? It's a shame Benteke hasn't been firing and our defence has been reduced to Clark and Baker in the middle at times - it seems to make the whole squad uncomfortable and understandably so!!
We all knew what was happening when Lambert came in, we have to stick with it now!
Would you rather Malky?
Is malky the only option?
Marcelo Bielsa is available as I'm sure are others who would maybe fancy a crack at the english league.
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Watching some of the Forest game v W Ham. I don't know how much their squad cost - presumably a lot less than ours - but they are playing really good football
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I did not object yesterday to the Mods about what you call "verbal jousting" I objected to a poster using the words "retarded" "yank" and "septic" in a tirade of almost incoherent abuse aimed at Randy Lerner. I can joust with the best of you. Just try me.
As for the anecdote about the Villa fans trying to prove higher rank as a fan from seeing more games or whatever I am not suddenly going to hide how long I have stood on the Holte to protect myself from accusations real or insinuated that I claim to be better than anybody else. Just older.
I complained to the Mods about this particular post that Brian has quoted, as it was unmitigated bile, xenophobic and therefore completely unacceptable. I have no problem with posters who want to have a go or express their feelings but this one wanted to know where the vitriol had gone and then proceeded to unleash it. I'd do it again, it's what the 'report' button is for. Never done it before, though.
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Watching some of the Forest game v W Ham. I don't know how much their squad cost - presumably a lot less than ours - but they are playing really good football
Forest aren't bad either
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Quite apart from the result, i`m just gutted i didnt take Utd to win at 7/1, because most fans we spoke to could see what was coming, i`m just amazed the bookies were so generous, how far have we fallen?....
Those odds came in to around 5/1 by kick-off so I think a lot of people were piling on cash.
Villa players looking to supplement their wages in these austere times? :D
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See this Forest side shows that coaching has a massive impact, they can't have better players than us but they're playing much better football.
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So you get rid of Lambert, then what is the alternative? Is there a manager out there that we could get that would improve us? I'm not saying PL should stay, but you need a succession plan.
Not one that we could recruit.
Based on our previous succession plans post MON and post Houllier, I really wouldn't trust Faulkner or Lerner in this respect.
As for Malky isn't he another Lambert type.
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See this Forest side shows that coaching has a massive impact, they can't have better players than us but they're playing much better football.
Why is it not possible for them to have better players? Because were in the EPL?
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See this Forest side shows that coaching has a massive impact, they can't have better players than us but they're playing much better football.
Why is it not possible for them to have better players? Because were in the EPL?
Well it would make sense.
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See this Forest side shows that coaching has a massive impact, they can't have better players than us but they're playing much better football.
Why is it not possible for them to have better players? Because were in the EPL?
Well it would make sense.
Take out 3-4 of our better players and we're pretty much on a par with most Championship sides to be fair. Some of our players would probably struggle in that division too, to be honest.
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Would have had home draw to Norwich or Fulham!!!!
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I wish the General was still here to tell us everything is going to be alright. And to phone Nicky Keys. Although on reflection the sickening displays of sycophancy shown towards him probably makes it best he's not.
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Would have had home draw to Norwich or Fulham!!!!
Ah well who wanted to be in the 5th round anyway...?
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See this Forest side shows that coaching has a massive impact, they can't have better players than us but they're playing much better football.
Billy Davies is a coaching genius - who can forget Derby County in the Premier League?
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I wish the General was still here to tell us everything is going to be alright. And to phone Nicky Keys. Although on reflection the sickening displays of sycophancy shown towards him probably makes it best he's not.
I don't recall much sycophancy. General Krulak was and is deserving of respect. He didn't have to come on to the forums and put up with half the bullshit he did put up with.
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See this Forest side shows that coaching has a massive impact, they can't have better players than us but they're playing much better football.
Billy Davies is a coaching genius - who can forget Derby County in the Premier League?
Everyone learns, and it's more a comment on Villa than Forest. Look at the way a lot of Swansea players made the step up from lower divisions.
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See this Forest side shows that coaching has a massive impact, they can't have better players than us but they're playing much better football.
Billy Davies is a coaching genius - who can forget Derby County in the Premier League?
Everyone learns, and it's more a comment on Villa than Forest. Look at the way a lot of Swansea players made the step up from lower divisions.
Davies over achieved with derby - they got promotion 2 yrs ahead of their own target and were nowhere near strong enough for the premiership at the time .
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I wish the General was still here to tell us everything is going to be alright. And to phone Nicky Keys. Although on reflection the sickening displays of sycophancy shown towards him probably makes it best he's not.
I don't recall much sycophancy. General Krulak was and is deserving of respect. He didn't have to come on to the forums and put up with half the bullshit he did put up with.
Indeed , and well said maz.
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I wish the General was still here to tell us everything is going to be alright. And to phone Nicky Keys. Although on reflection the sickening displays of sycophancy shown towards him probably makes it best he's not.
I don't recall much sycophancy. General Krulak was and is deserving of respect. He didn't have to come on to the forums and put up with half the bullshit he did put up with.
Of course he deserves respect, but really, you don't recall sycophancy? Really?
I do, lots of it. That's not his fault in any way, shape or form, but there was a sizeable contingent of people on here very keen to kiss his arse and to be seen doing so.
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It would be interesting to hear pelty's take on things.
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See this Forest side shows that coaching has a massive impact, they can't have better players than us but they're playing much better football.
Why is it not possible for them to have better players? Because were in the EPL?
Well it would make sense.
Take out 3-4 of our better players and we're pretty much on a par with most Championship sides to be fair. Some of our players would probably struggle in that division too, to be honest.
Actually, I think there is now very little to choose between the teams in the bottom half of the premier league and those in the top half of the championship.
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I wish the General was still here to tell us everything is going to be alright. And to phone Nicky Keys. Although on reflection the sickening displays of sycophancy shown towards him probably makes it best he's not.
I don't recall much sycophancy. General Krulak was and is deserving of respect. He didn't have to come on to the forums and put up with half the bullshit he did put up with.
Oh come on. Many posters were so far up his arse they could see his tonsils.
He lost any respect he deserved by posting inane motherhood and apple pie stuff when asked direct questions about the issues that really mattered before disappearing off into the sunset when things got a bit heated.
edit - just seen Paulie's post - seems we've said pretty much the same things
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The General was full of shit towards the end.
Anybody remember when TSM was appointed,top 4/5 with the right backing,both of those are still floating in the wind.
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The home form will get him the sack.
no it wont, the league table will
Yes it will,once the fans start voting with their feet out he goes.
I agree- several chairmen have said its the fans who sack managers not the chairman .
Once fans vent their anger there is usually a quick reaction.
Agreed.
The fans have been loyal to all concerned so far ... the players, Lambert and Lerner. They should all be very careful though as it will all change very quickly if they're not careful.
The little show of 'togetherness' from the players last week was dangerous- aligning yourself with Culverhouse and Lambert (in reality or merely perceived) doesn't seem wise and will alienate the supporters if repeated.
The idiotic comments from Lambert about the FA Cup had no upside potential at all - the only effect again to alienate the supporters.
The lack of anything positive from Lerner has been eroding confidence and alienating the supporters for the past 3 years.
No matter how safe they feel in their protected world they would do well to remember they not the club and they are rapidly losing the respect and support of the people who embody the spirit and meaning of Aston Villa - the people who are the club.
I like the cut of your jib.
In that same game, Weimann put his finger to his lips 'shooshing' someone in the stands who was giving him stick.
I'm not a fan of any of our lot getting personal abuse from the stands. But the best was to shut those individuals up is performances on the pitch. That's where it counts, and where Andreas (like most of his teammates in fairness) has come up short this season. I'm sure they don't like getting booed, but are they really delusional enough (and I include Culverhouse in that) to think that they are getting unwarranted criticism?
-Least goals at home in all four divisions in England.
-Worst home record out of all the major leagues in Europe for the past three years.
-Bradford at home last season
How many other clubs would tolerate that.
The nightmare scenario of course is that Lerner will give him the money for a CB and creative MF both with experience and a proven track record and he will not know what to do with it.
He will be a mug punter who makes his selections sticking a pin in the list of runners who has lost his pin and suddenly needs to know about the horses.
The path he has preferred is the shotgun birdshot blast at the transfer market on the basis that the law of averages says buy enough and you will get a good one. What this window requires of him is a couple of rifle shots at selected targets and I don't think he is up to it. He is already on record as saying that January is an inflated market which of course it is and the trick is to buy well enough in the summer that you do not need January buys. He did not buy well enough so he has no choice but to buy some backbone for the team.
I do not think he is up to it. He will revert to type and buy four improvers.
Yes.
And then get potted in the summer (or Oct/Nov next season) leaving the new guy to clear out all his old shit, meaning the next manager can't be judged/held accountable/ or build his own side until all the 'deadwood' is cleared off the wagebill Sound familiar?
We've been playing that tune since 2010. It's thumpingly dull.
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I wish the General was still here to tell us everything is going to be alright. And to phone Nicky Keys. Although on reflection the sickening displays of sycophancy shown towards him probably makes it best he's not.
I don't recall much sycophancy. General Krulak was and is deserving of respect. He didn't have to come on to the forums and put up with half the bullshit he did put up with.
Oh come on. Many posters were so far up his arse they could see his tonsils.
He lost any respect he deserved by posting inane motherhood and apple pie stuff when asked direct questions about the issues that really mattered before disappearing off into the sunset when things got a bit heated.
edit - just seen Paulie's post - seems we've said pretty much the same things
I agree totally oldhill. How dare Villa fans of 20 years or more standing have the temerity to question some guy who appeared from nowhere on here when things were good, had loads of soundbites, and then disappeared into the sunset PDQ when the shit started to hit the fan. He lost any respect I had for him totally and it was already wearing thin when he was on here
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Didn't PL get brought in because he was a good motivator? It's a shame Benteke hasn't been firing and our defence has been reduced to Clark and Baker in the middle at times - it seems to make the whole squad uncomfortable and understandably so!!
We all knew what was happening when Lambert came in, we have to stick with it now!
Would you rather Malky?
Is malky the only option?
Marcelo Bielsa is available as I'm sure are others who would maybe fancy a crack at the english league.
Would be nice!
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I wish the General was still here to tell us everything is going to be alright. And to phone Nicky Keys. Although on reflection the sickening displays of sycophancy shown towards him probably makes it best he's not.
I don't recall much sycophancy. General Krulak was and is deserving of respect. He didn't have to come on to the forums and put up with half the bullshit he did put up with.
Oh come on. Many posters were so far up his arse they could see his tonsils.
He lost any respect he deserved by posting inane motherhood and apple pie stuff when asked direct questions about the issues that really mattered before disappearing off into the sunset when things got a bit heated.
edit - just seen Paulie's post - seems we've said pretty much the same things
I agree totally oldhill. How dare Villa fans of 20 years or more standing have the temerity to question some guy who appeared from nowhere on here when things were good, had loads of soundbites, and then disappeared into the sunset PDQ when the shit started to hit the fan. He lost any respect I had for him totally and it was already wearing thin when he was on here
I kept saying at the time, but I dont see how they thought that disengaging like he did - ie disappearing from view - was the best way to withdraw from that whole "interaction with fan forums" thing.
Don't get me wrong, I think they were right to do it - we spent fucking ages asking people not to ask him certain things, and they'd ignore us and ask them over and again in any case - I entirely understand why they opted to withdraw.
What I will never understand is why they didn't go to the trouble of a two or three line post saying he was withdrawing, and maybe hinting at why. They were enough reasons to choose from.
They opted not to bother, though, and the inevitable result was that people thought "hang on, they just disappeared, right as the shit hits the fan for the first time". That was bad enough, but seeing as they didnt bother to tell us what they were doing, it then led people to think that they just weren't that bothered about what we thought.
I also thought that the "it's all just marketing bullshit" line some people had was harsh, but abruptly disappearing as he did made that argument look much stronger than it should have - it started to look like the minute it became more hassle than it was worth to them they knocked it on the head, and didn't really care about how it made them look. People then, inevitably, started thinking "shit, maybe it actually was mostly marketing bullshit, after all".
A big fuck up which could have been very, very easily avoided.
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The General was full of shit towards the end.
Anybody remember when TSM was appointed,top 4/5 with the right backing,both of those are still floating in the wind.
i think that's very harsh. He was doing what he thought he needed to do. To say he was full of shit is unreasonable, in my opinion.
As for defending the McLeish appointment, well, really, that was a state of affairs so ridiculously surreal, I don't think there's a person on the planet who could have come up with a satisfactory bit of logic to explain that.
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I imagine when the General got wind of McLeish being hired his first thought would have been "how the fuck do I spin this?" He likely called a meeting of senior military staff to come up up a communication plan. All to no avail.
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The General was full of shit towards the end.
Anybody remember when TSM was appointed,top 4/5 with the right backing,both of those are still floating in the wind.
i think that's very harsh. He was doing what he thought he needed to do. To say he was full of shit is unreasonable, in my opinion.
As for defending the McLeish appointment, well, really, that was a state of affairs so ridiculously surreal, I don't think there's a person on the planet who could have come up with a satisfactory bit of logic to explain that.
He was only full of shit because of what he was told to say,a bit like Lambert now.I feel sorry for the pair of them.
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I imagine when the General got wind of McLeish being hired his first thought would have been "how the fuck do I spin this?" He likely called a meeting of senior military staff to come up up a communication plan. All to no avail.
Col.Nathan R. Jessup - you want answers, 'i want the truth' you can't handle the truth
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Lambert's not bright enough to stay on piste. hence the FA Cup presser debacle.
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I imagine when the General got wind of McLeish being hired his first thought would have been "how the fuck do I spin this?" He likely called a meeting of senior military staff to come up up a communication plan. All to no avail.
and Malcolm Tucker.
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Well obviously Iwon,t go too far into the General thing, but Ialways believed he was here purely for PR andwas always amazed that the club didn't foresee how it would inevitably end.
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I wish the General was still here to tell us everything is going to be alright. And to phone Nicky Keys. Although on reflection the sickening displays of sycophancy shown towards him probably makes it best he's not.
I don't recall much sycophancy. General Krulak was and is deserving of respect. He didn't have to come on to the forums and put up with half the bullshit he did put up with.
Oh come on. Many posters were so far up his arse they could see his tonsils.
He lost any respect he deserved by posting inane motherhood and apple pie stuff when asked direct questions about the issues that really mattered before disappearing off into the sunset when things got a bit heated.
edit - just seen Paulie's post - seems we've said pretty much the same things
To say there was little or no sycophancy requires a very selective memory, it was vomit inducing at times. But to be fair to Krulak he was on a hiding to nothing. He couldn't give too much away and what little he did was seized upon by the media and chancers like Gold, twisted every which way and sensationalised. And at the end he was effectively left holding back a mass offensive in a shit-storm, armed with a wet lettuce. I can't really blame him for saying "fuck this for a game of soldiers" and slinging his hook.
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Well obviously Iwon,t go too far into the General thing, but Ialways believed he was here purely for PR andwas always amazed that the club didn't foresee how it would inevitably end.
For about the millionth time - the 'club' didn't particularly want him online and what he did was more or less independent of them.
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I wish the General was still here to tell us everything is going to be alright. And to phone Nicky Keys. Although on reflection the sickening displays of sycophancy shown towards him probably makes it best he's not.
I don't recall much sycophancy. General Krulak was and is deserving of respect. He didn't have to come on to the forums and put up with half the bullshit he did put up with.
Oh come on. Many posters were so far up his arse they could see his tonsils.
He lost any respect he deserved by posting inane motherhood and apple pie stuff when asked direct questions about the issues that really mattered before disappearing off into the sunset when things got a bit heated.
edit - just seen Paulie's post - seems we've said pretty much the same things
I agree totally oldhill. How dare Villa fans of 20 years or more standing have the temerity to question some guy who appeared from nowhere on here when things were good, had loads of soundbites, and then disappeared into the sunset PDQ when the shit started to hit the fan. He lost any respect I had for him totally and it was already wearing thin when he was on here
I kept saying at the time, but I dont see how they thought that disengaging like he did - ie disappearing from view - was the best way to withdraw from that whole "interaction with fan forums" thing.
Don't get me wrong, I think they were right to do it - we spent fucking ages asking people not to ask him certain things, and they'd ignore us and ask them over and again in any case - I entirely understand why they opted to withdraw.
What I will never understand is why they didn't go to the trouble of a two or three line post saying he was withdrawing, and maybe hinting at why. They were enough reasons to choose from.
They opted not to bother, though, and the inevitable result was that people thought "hang on, they just disappeared, right as the shit hits the fan for the first time". That was bad enough, but seeing as they didnt bother to tell us what they were doing, it then led people to think that they just weren't that bothered about what we thought.
I also thought that the "it's all just marketing bullshit" line some people had was harsh, but abruptly disappearing as he did made that argument look much stronger than it should have - it started to look like the minute it became more hassle than it was worth to them they knocked it on the head, and didn't really care about how it made them look. People then, inevitably, started thinking "shit, maybe it actually was mostly marketing bullshit, after all".
A big fuck up which could have been very, very easily avoided.
Its pretty obvious they just don't get it, the communication from the club is shocking
Moscow, Appointment of McLeish, Houlier at Anfield, the after match bullshit we have had to listen to from McLeish and now Lambert, Hold on to your seats and now Lamberts latest foot in the mouth stuff.
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I wish the General was still here to tell us everything is going to be alright. And to phone Nicky Keys. Although on reflection the sickening displays of sycophancy shown towards him probably makes it best he's not.
I don't recall much sycophancy. General Krulak was and is deserving of respect. He didn't have to come on to the forums and put up with half the bullshit he did put up with.
Oh come on. Many posters were so far up his arse they could see his tonsils.
He lost any respect he deserved by posting inane motherhood and apple pie stuff when asked direct questions about the issues that really mattered before disappearing off into the sunset when things got a bit heated.
edit - just seen Paulie's post - seems we've said pretty much the same things
To say there was little or no sycophancy requires a very selective memory, it was vomit inducing at times. But to be fair to Krulak he was on a hiding to nothing. He couldn't give too much away and what little he did was seized upon by the media and chancers like Gold, twisted every which way and sensationalised. And at the end he was effectively left holding back a mass offensive in a shit-storm, armed with a wet lettuce. I can't really blame him for saying "fuck this for a game of soldiers" and slinging his hook.
Exactly. Then again, stick a member of a board that could do no wrong at the time in the middle of a group of supporters who were being treated like no club's supporters had ever been treated and what do you expect? It wasn't so much sycophancy as adulation crossed with incredulity. He couldn't talk about playing matters, every time he said something quotable it was back page headlines and as I keep saying, the whole episode started with good intentions but went on far too long.
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Well obviously Iwon,t go too far into the General thing, but Ialways believed he was here purely for PR andwas always amazed that the club didn't foresee how it would inevitably end.
For about the millionth time - the 'club' didn't particularly want him online and what he did was more or less independent of them.
Millionth time or no the was a board member on a fans forum. If he was so independent why did he constantly get people to call or speak to people at theclub regarding issues,or constantly say, "we hear you"? It may well be his choice to come on here and elsewhere but if Randy had been dead set against it it wouldn't have happened.
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Well obviously Iwon,t go too far into the General thing, but Ialways believed he was here purely for PR andwas always amazed that the club didn't foresee how it would inevitably end.
For about the millionth time - the 'club' didn't particularly want him online and what he did was more or less independent of them.
Hmmm, but does that raise the question as to why, if they didn't want him online, he was here at all? And he wasn't independent of them when he was giving advice about tickets / issues raised by supporters / things he could answer (and there were a few good things).
He was - and still is - a director of the club, if he was really operating as some sort of lone gun, not with their approval, they should have reeled him in.
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I imagine when the General got wind of McLeish being hired his first thought would have been "how the fuck do I spin this?" He likely called a meeting of senior military staff to come up up a communication plan. All to no avail.
and Malcolm Tucker.
I always imagined Randy tipped him off about it and advised him to 'Get off those forums if I were you'
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peter and paulie - Try stopping him. He was useful in opening communications channels and persuading fans that they really could pick up the phone and talk to someone at the other end who would listen and act. Once that was going he should have been able to step aside but he didn't want to, it probably wasn't seen as a big deal to force the issue and it was popular with the fans.
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peter and paulie - Try stopping him. He was useful in opening communications channels and persuading fans that they really could pick up the phone and talk to someone at the other end who would listen and act. Once that was going he should have been able to step aside but he didn't want to, it probably wasn't seen as a big deal to force the issue and it was popular with the fans.
Im confused now,did the club want him on here or not?
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peter and paulie - Try stopping him. He was useful in opening communications channels and persuading fans that they really could pick up the phone and talk to someone at the other end who would listen and act. Once that was going he should have been able to step aside but he didn't want to, it probably wasn't seen as a big deal to force the issue and it was popular with the fans.
Im confused now,did the club want him on here or not?
I think they tolerated it at first. Then it became awkward for many reasons.
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I'm sure like the rest of us on here The General got that little impulse and little nagging itch to just having a quick peak on H&V. Once your hooked...
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I wish the General was still here to tell us everything is going to be alright. And to phone Nicky Keys. Although on reflection the sickening displays of sycophancy shown towards him probably makes it best he's not.
I don't recall much sycophancy.
Seriously? Some of it was quite sickly. Ask Nicky Keys.
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peter and paulie - Try stopping him. He was useful in opening communications channels and persuading fans that they really could pick up the phone and talk to someone at the other end who would listen and act. Once that was going he should have been able to step aside but he didn't want to, it probably wasn't seen as a big deal to force the issue and it was popular with the fans.
Im confused now,did the club want him on here or not?
I think they tolerated it at first. Then it became awkward for many reasons.
If anyone could have stopped him, surely it'd be Randy? Are we that badly run that we can't control a strong willed Director of the club?
I mean no disrespect to General Krulak whatsoever, but to be fair, it was absolutely guaranteed to end in tears - can you imagine the sort of shit he'd be getting here right now if he were still around, for example?
The whole thing, I think, was done with good intentions, and I don't agree it was entirely about marketing, either. I also think that those people who gave him personal shit were extremely out of order.
Like I said, the sad thing is that it was handled so poorly - both in terms that, seemingly, he was on the internet posting in what was, to all intents and purposes, seen as an official capacity, but they couldn't stop him doing it (which I find hard to believe), but also in the sense that when it ended, they didn't really give the first thought to withdrawing carefully.
It looked too much like they weren't overly arsed, and that was easily avoidable.
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Gosh, the General. Back in the good old days. When the worst thing that had happened was Marlon Harewood
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Maybe the club need somebody new in the PR/media role? In addition to new centre half, midfielders etc.
It might help us get the new players if the club's image outside B6 was a bit more positive and not like being on the sun deck of the Titanic!
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I am inclined to agree with DW that GK was not asked by the club to go on the forums as this would imply they have made any effort to communicate with the fans in any way which is not tied to marketing. If they gave even the slightest fuck about what the man on the terrace thought, they would not have appointed TSM.
Back on topic, I got the impression very early in the game that although we played a strong side, we seemed to be using the game as a practice match to try out some new ideas. Long raking, sprayed passes from Westwood, for example: not at all the the norm.
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Back on topic, I got the impression very early in the game that although we played a strong side, we seemed to be using the game as a practice match to try out some new ideas. Long raking, sprayed passes from Westwood, for example: not at all the the norm.
You have a point there - occasionally we saw good strong diagonal balls out wide that have not been played all season. There was also a good forward pass into a channel in the second half after a run was spotted - the fact we noticed it as extraordinary tells it's own story
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Back on topic, I got the impression very early in the game that although we played a strong side, we seemed to be using the game as a practice match to try out some new ideas. Long raking, sprayed passes from Westwood, for example: not at all the the norm.
You have a point there - occasionally we saw good strong diagonal balls out wide that have not been played all season. There was also a good forward pass into a channel in the second half after a run was spotted - the fact we noticed it as extraordinary tells it's own story
oh good, sounds positive but maybe this should be tried in training
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Keeping five defenders in our half at all times is another new trick.
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Back on topic, I got the impression very early in the game that although we played a strong side, we seemed to be using the game as a practice match to try out some new ideas. Long raking, sprayed passes from Westwood, for example: not at all the the norm.
If so, they don't sound like very good ideas if they failed so miserably against a side struggling near the foot of the third tier. Still maybe they'll work better against Arsenal and Liverpool.
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I am inclined to agree with DW that GK was not asked by the club to go on the forums as this would imply they have made any effort to communicate with the fans in any way which is not tied to marketing. If they gave even the slightest fuck about what the man on the terrace thought, they would not have appointed TSM.
Back on topic, I got the impression very early in the game that although we played a strong side, we seemed to be using the game as a practice match to try out some new ideas. Long raking, sprayed passes from Westwood, for example: not at all the the norm.
But they did appoint him,and he did come on here telling us the top 4 was the target.
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Keeping five defenders in our half at all times is another new trick.
And I suppose you did notice the one where our defenders keep backing off allowing third division journey men to get within easy shooting range inside the area? That was quite successful except on two occasions when they actually managed to find the net!
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We actually retained possession from a throw in once during the game - which is a massive step forward - so as a training exercise yesterday I was fucking elated.
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I saw their second goal earlier. I seemed like we backed off until we let him hit it.
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I saw their second goal earlier. I seemed like we backed off until we let him hit it.
Probably thought it was better to let them win it than play a replay.
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Keeping five defenders in our half at all times is another new trick.
... and Delph played very deep yesterday. (Is he your fifth man?). The bloke standing (er...sitting) next to me was going bonkers every time we moved forward: "Wot's Delph doin'? He's not even movin'! Does he want the ball ot wot? Get forward ya twat!" etc
btw my Blades mate was worried for the first 10 minutes but eventually came to the conclusion that we were just quite shit, with no idea how to defend against very average players, or how to open up a very static defence.
Tell me about it...
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Twunt (http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/a-young-sheffield-united-fan-destroys-his-seat-at-aston-villa-tweets-club-if-they-want-it-back/)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdKbxtWCUAATTpR.jpg)
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Lowlights (http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/aston-villa-1-sheffield-united-2-fa-cup/)
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Goals:
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Blimey. Shocking defending.
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Quite a few posters have described today as a new low and who would argue with that. However I can't help feeling that there will be more 'new lows' before this season is over. Consider impending matches against Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton etc. more humiliation to come I fear.
Thing is we were saying the same last season and that didn't happen, and they know they have to invest. This isn't really a new low when you think of the teams that have knocked us out in the last few years. It's just another shit day in the cup.
I can only think of two worse in our history than today.
Fulham - at home the game Collymore walked out. At least Fulham were top of the third division that day
Bradford - say no more...
Doncaster
It's up there, but it was away from home in the League Cup. At home to a bottom of the division third level team is plumbing the depths.
remember losing to Torquay at home 0-1 when we were in the old 2nd division f a cup round 3 about 73
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I found Oldham away a real downer I think it was 89/90 when we finished runners up - I thought it could be our cup year but we rolled over 3-0
Welcome gaza .
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I just cannot comprehend the 'don't sack him, back him' mindset.
PL has been in charge during the most embarrassing moments in our history.
Not just one or two, but fucking loads.
It's nothing at all to do with investment. We can use that argument when Arsenal fuck us up the arse next week.
For now, we have be played off the park by a 3rd division team....AGAIN!
Today, a 3rd division team showed more heart, desire, class and ability than our lot.
They showed how to pass and move, how to play with pace, power and passion.
A 3rd division on team exposed our bunch of prima donnas time and time again.
It's got fuck all to do with investment today. It's about a 'club' that has given up, a team that is totally inept and a manager who is shite.
Rodney Marsh may be a twat, but he is a twat who was quite right with his comment yesterday.
Don't be upset that we are out of the cup, or the demise of the cup tradition at Villa Park.
Be upset at the demise of Aston Villa FC.
missed rodney what did he say
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agree, terrible defending and Benteke should have buried the first half header... nice to see Helenius get a goal, he took it well.
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Still can't see why the ref gives that foul/free kick against Weimann that led to their 2nd goal.
Desperate for excuses/reasons i'm afraid.
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I found Oldham away a real downer I think it was 89/90 when we finished runners up - I thought it could be our cup year but we rolled over 3-0
Welcome gaza .
Ah memories of previous disasters. I recall in 1963/4 when I was young that we were drawn at home to bottom tier Aldershot. At the time we were in the top tier but a struggling team (sounds familiar?).
We were held to a draw, hateley missing a penalty for us. Consensus was that we couldn't possibly play as crap again, but we did, we lost the replay 2-1
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At least we have never suffered the fate of losing to a non league team yet as far as I know.
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I found Oldham away a real downer I think it was 89/90 when we finished runners up - I thought it could be our cup year but we rolled over 3-0
Welcome gaza .
similar to when we ran out of steam first ever prem league season oldham who were relegated turned us over then as well but at least we got earl barret off them he is 20 times better than any of the back four who played against sheff utd
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At least we have never suffered the fate of losing to a non league team yet as far as I know.
Don't think we have but can't recall playing many non league teams.
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O.K, if there was sycophancy, who was being sycophantic? Maybe it happened, but I don't recall it. I do recall some of the abuse he took, which was pretty lame in my opinion.
The bottom line is, he didn't deserve it, regardless of your opinion of his worth on the forums. I found some of it embarrassing. Anyway, ancient history now. I'll remember the novelty with fondness at least.
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At least we have never suffered the fate of losing to a non league team yet as far as I know.
Don't think we have but can't recall playing many non league teams.
Didn't we play gravesend and northfleet a few yrs ago? Any others?
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agree, terrible defending and Benteke should have buried the first half header... nice to see Helenius get a goal, he took it well.
Benteke has probably been coached to head the ball downwards and this is a flaw in football coaching, in my view. There are times for that but the Swansea player this afternoon showed how it should be done.
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I found Oldham away a real downer I think it was 89/90 when we finished runners up - I thought it could be our cup year but we rolled over 3-0
Welcome gaza .
That was a bad game, midweeker I recall ? Horrible plastic pitch and we just never got going. Left on about 70 mins got back to the car to find we'd been blocked in and couldn't move. Listened glumly to rest of game on the car radio :-(
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Blimey. Shocking defending.
Terrible dispossession for their second.
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I found Oldham away a real downer I think it was 89/90 when we finished runners up - I thought it could be our cup year but we rolled over 3-0
Welcome gaza .
That was a bad game, midweeker I recall ? Horrible plastic pitch and we just never got going. Left on about 70 mins got back to the car to find we'd been blocked in and couldn't move. Listened glumly to rest of game on the car radio :-(
Yep Wednesday night I think.
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O.K, if there was sycophancy, who was being sycophantic? Maybe it happened, but I don't recall it. I do recall some of the abuse he took, which was pretty lame in my opinion.
The bottom line is, he didn't deserve it, regardless of your opinion of his worth on the forums. I found some of it embarrassing. Anyway, ancient history now. I'll remember the novelty with fondness at least.
Yes, I would agree he didn't deserve the abuse, of course not, but the sycophancy and the abuse are two separate issues. There isn't much relevance of the one to the other.
As for who was being sycophantic, we mean this sort of thing.
I've taken out the poster's name (although he doesn't post here any more), but i searched his name and the word Krulak, and this is the first result.
GK, nothing but the best response yet again. I don't know why we bother with all of the various threads on this site, we just need to communicate with you.
You simply do not have enough time to devote to your other ventures and keep Mrs K happy, you need to be an interactive answer system for us on here !
Thanks again
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I found Oldham away a real downer I think it was 89/90 when we finished runners up - I thought it could be our cup year but we rolled over 3-0
Welcome gaza .
That was a bad game, midweeker I recall ? Horrible plastic pitch and we just never got going. Left on about 70 mins got back to the car to find we'd been blocked in and couldn't move. Listened glumly to rest of game on the car radio :-(
I remember going there in the 87-8 season, and thinking it was entirely possible that I would never, ever be as cold as that at a football match again for the rest of my life.
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agree, terrible defending and Benteke should have buried the first half header... nice to see Helenius get a goal, he took it well.
Benteke has probably been coached to head the ball downwards and this is a flaw in football coaching, in my view. There are times for that but the Swansea player this afternoon showed how it should be done.
Me too - I was coached that forwards head down and defenders head up.
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The General was full of shit towards the end.
Anybody remember when TSM was appointed,top 4/5 with the right backing,both of those are still floating in the wind.
i think that's very harsh. He was doing what he thought he needed to do. To say he was full of shit is unreasonable, in my opinion.
As for defending the McLeish appointment, well, really, that was a state of affairs so ridiculously surreal, I don't think there's a person on the planet who could have come up with a satisfactory bit of logic to explain that.
Word is that now they've found the God particle in CERN, they're moving on to this next.
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agree, terrible defending and Benteke should have buried the first half header... nice to see Helenius get a goal, he took it well.
Benteke has probably been coached to head the ball downwards and this is a flaw in football coaching, in my view. There are times for that but the Swansea player this afternoon showed how it should be done.
Me too - I was coached that forwards head down and defenders head up.
Having played a bit in goal as well as up top, I'd say to head down every time.
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O.K, if there was sycophancy, who was being sycophantic? Maybe it happened, but I don't recall it. I do recall some of the abuse he took, which was pretty lame in my opinion.
The bottom line is, he didn't deserve it, regardless of your opinion of his worth on the forums. I found some of it embarrassing. Anyway, ancient history now. I'll remember the novelty with fondness at least.
Yes, I would agree he didn't deserve the abuse, of course not, but the sycophancy and the abuse are two separate issues. There isn't much relevance of the one to the other.
As for who was being sycophantic, we mean this sort of thing.
I've taken out the poster's name (although he doesn't post here any more), but i searched his name and the word Krulak, and this is the first result.
GK, nothing but the best response yet again. I don't know why we bother with all of the various threads on this site, we just need to communicate with you.
You simply do not have enough time to devote to your other ventures and keep Mrs K happy, you need to be an interactive answer system for us on here !
Thanks again
Bloody hell. Whoever it was is probably still wiping the brown stuff off his/her nose.
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Was it peterw ?
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I found Oldham away a real downer I think it was 89/90 when we finished runners up - I thought it could be our cup year but we rolled over 3-0
Welcome gaza .
That was a bad game, midweeker I recall ? Horrible plastic pitch and we just never got going. Left on about 70 mins got back to the car to find we'd been blocked in and couldn't move. Listened glumly to rest of game on the car radio :-(
I remember going there in the 87-8 season, and thinking it was entirely possible that I would never, ever be as cold as that at a football match again for the rest of my life.
Oldham 1990 was a downer, as was Liverpool two years later. I really thought we would beat them. But the biggest downer for me was Charlton '87. Forget Sheffield Wednesday, Charlton was the day we got relegated for me. Huddersfield '87 is the wettest I have ever been at a game. A midweek goalless draw at Notts County in the BFR years was the coldest I have been.
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O.K, if there was sycophancy, who was being sycophantic? Maybe it happened, but I don't recall it. I do recall some of the abuse he took, which was pretty lame in my opinion.
The bottom line is, he didn't deserve it, regardless of your opinion of his worth on the forums. I found some of it embarrassing. Anyway, ancient history now. I'll remember the novelty with fondness at least.
Yes, I would agree he didn't deserve the abuse, of course not, but the sycophancy and the abuse are two separate issues. There isn't much relevance of the one to the other.
As for who was being sycophantic, we mean this sort of thing.
I've taken out the poster's name (although he doesn't post here any more), but i searched his name and the word Krulak, and this is the first result.
GK, nothing but the best response yet again. I don't know why we bother with all of the various threads on this site, we just need to communicate with you.
You simply do not have enough time to devote to your other ventures and keep Mrs K happy, you need to be an interactive answer system for us on here !
Thanks again
I don't know what this proves other than there was a poster who posted a crass load of bollox and I'm sure that there will be other examples that are not unique to the General's thread. I assume that there are just as many other posts on that thread that were simply being argumentative, disrespectful or downright provocative, posted by someone with an axe to grind, about something that he was unable to deal with (be those for business reasons or football reasons).
From my perspective, the thread was a unique opportunity to have access to someone with real influence. Unfortunately it degenerated into posters wanting answers that he was either unable, reluctant or unwilling to give. I don't think that he was here for people to chuck shit at whenever they had their arse in their hands over something. I thought at the time, that (without any need for being sycophantic) the lack of common decency that he was afforded was piss poor from certain quarters.
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I found Oldham away a real downer I think it was 89/90 when we finished runners up - I thought it could be our cup year but we rolled over 3-0
Welcome gaza .
That was a bad game, midweeker I recall ? Horrible plastic pitch and we just never got going. Left on about 70 mins got back to the car to find we'd been blocked in and couldn't move. Listened glumly to rest of game on the car radio :-(
I remember going there in the 87-8 season, and thinking it was entirely possible that I would never, ever be as cold as that at a football match again for the rest of my life.
Oldham 1990 was a downer, as was Liverpool two years later. I really thought we would beat them. But the biggest downer for me was Charlton '87. Forget Sheffield Wednesday, Charlton was the day we got relegated for me. Huddersfield '87 is the wettest I have ever been at a game. A midweek goalless draw at Notts County in the BFR years was the coldest I have been.
I was at Uni in Nottingham when we played that game at County. Open away end and a thin t-shirt. I thought I was going to die of hypothermia. Dire game. We were awarded a penalty for reasons no one in the entire ground could fathom and promptly missed it.
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I found Oldham away a real downer I think it was 89/90 when we finished runners up - I thought it could be our cup year but we rolled over 3-0
Welcome gaza .
That was a bad game, midweeker I recall ? Horrible plastic pitch and we just never got going. Left on about 70 mins got back to the car to find we'd been blocked in and couldn't move. Listened glumly to rest of game on the car radio :-(
I remember going there in the 87-8 season, and thinking it was entirely possible that I would never, ever be as cold as that at a football match again for the rest of my life.
Oldham 1990 was a downer, as was Liverpool two years later. I really thought we would beat them. But the biggest downer for me was Charlton '87. Forget Sheffield Wednesday, Charlton was the day we got relegated for me. Huddersfield '87 is the wettest I have ever been at a game. A midweek goalless draw at Notts County in the BFR years was the coldest I have been.
Coldest by a mile was a bitter winters day at roker park - wind blowin in off the sea and freezing cold rain - there were only a small number of us there - think it was 1984 - we won 4-0 but it was so bloody cold and wet and an open end.
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That Charlton 87 is a horror show that sticks in my mind. Wasn't that the game when Andy Gray hit our crossbar with a pass back to the goalkeeper? That Huddersfield game was horrible too. The only bit of me that was dry was my feet then I went for a piss and the "toilets" were little more than a black tar painted outhouse. All the drains were blocked so my feet got as wet as the rest of me. The Southampton game when we went 4-0 down after 20 minutes is also in the black museum. The home fans were allowed to walk on a gantry over the visiting fans. I got hit on the head by a dustbin lid. And there was that game we lost at Watford when the coppers made us walk about ten times around the local allotments before they would let us go to our buses and cars. When was that? Early 90s?
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O.K, if there was sycophancy, who was being sycophantic? Maybe it happened, but I don't recall it. I do recall some of the abuse he took, which was pretty lame in my opinion.
The bottom line is, he didn't deserve it, regardless of your opinion of his worth on the forums. I found some of it embarrassing. Anyway, ancient history now. I'll remember the novelty with fondness at least.
Yes, I would agree he didn't deserve the abuse, of course not, but the sycophancy and the abuse are two separate issues. There isn't much relevance of the one to the other.
As for who was being sycophantic, we mean this sort of thing.
I've taken out the poster's name (although he doesn't post here any more), but i searched his name and the word Krulak, and this is the first result.
GK, nothing but the best response yet again. I don't know why we bother with all of the various threads on this site, we just need to communicate with you.
You simply do not have enough time to devote to your other ventures and keep Mrs K happy, you need to be an interactive answer system for us on here !
Thanks again
I don't know what this proves other than there was a poster who posted a crass load of bollox and I'm sure that there will be other examples that are not unique to the General's thread. I assume that there are just as many other posts on that thread that were simply being argumentative, disrespectful or downright provocative, posted by someone with an axe to grind, about something that he was unable to deal with (be those for business reasons or football reasons).
From my perspective, the thread was a unique opportunity to have access to someone with real influence. Unfortunately it degenerated into posters wanting answers that he was either unable, reluctant or unwilling to give. I don't think that he was here for people to chuck shit at whenever they had their arse in their hands over something. I thought at the time, that (without any need for being sycophantic) the lack of common decency that he was afforded was piss poor from certain quarters.
You're right, there was a lack of common decency from a lot of people, I said that in my original post, I was one of the people trying to stop people being so petulant all the time on there, you don't have to tell me that.
That does not, however, change the fact that there was also an immense amount of sycophancy. I am not suggesting one was worse than the other, or that one excused the other, or anything of the sort.
The reason I posted that was because Mazrim didn't seem to accept that there was sycophancy, and specifically asked who it was from. I thought of the very first poster who had a good line in that at the time, searched his posts, and posted that as an example.
If you are trying to make out that I am saying the sycophancy made the abuse acceptable, then you're absolutely miles wide of the mark, I am saying absolutely nothing of the sort.
Ultimately, that thread became far more trouble than it was worth. We'd ask people not to go on about footballing matters, and they'd just ignore it, sometimes in the very next post. We'd ask people not to engage in childish abuse (like calling him "Mr Krulak", for example), and get ignored.
Trust me, I am under absolutely no illiusions about some of the absolute nonsense that went on in that thread, it created ten times the trouble for moderators than the rest of the site combined. You are utterly preaching to the converted on that point.
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I found Oldham away a real downer I think it was 89/90 when we finished runners up - I thought it could be our cup year but we rolled over 3-0
Welcome gaza .
That was a bad game, midweeker I recall ? Horrible plastic pitch and we just never got going. Left on about 70 mins got back to the car to find we'd been blocked in and couldn't move. Listened glumly to rest of game on the car radio :-(
I remember going there in the 87-8 season, and thinking it was entirely possible that I would never, ever be as cold as that at a football match again for the rest of my life.
Oldham 1990 was a downer, as was Liverpool two years later. I really thought we would beat them. But the biggest downer for me was Charlton '87. Forget Sheffield Wednesday, Charlton was the day we got relegated for me. Huddersfield '87 is the wettest I have ever been at a game. A midweek goalless draw at Notts County in the BFR years was the coldest I have been.
I remember geting absolutely soaked in the game against Port Vale at home in the FA Cup in 1990. We won 6-0 and I remember Paul Birch scoring a screamer.
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I found Oldham away a real downer I think it was 89/90 when we finished runners up - I thought it could be our cup year but we rolled over 3-0
Welcome gaza .
That was a bad game, midweeker I recall ? Horrible plastic pitch and we just never got going. Left on about 70 mins got back to the car to find we'd been blocked in and couldn't move. Listened glumly to rest of game on the car radio :-(
I remember going there in the 87-8 season, and thinking it was entirely possible that I would never, ever be as cold as that at a football match again for the rest of my life.
I go to Boundary Park quite frequently. It hardens you, watching it nigh on every week. Bloody freezing!
Nick
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Thank The Lord we didn't get drawn to Oldham, as they are better than Sheffield United! My mates would never let me live it down
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I've seen Villa at Boundary Park 3 times
87 - memorable moment in a 1-0 away win was a McInally bicycle kick in the 6 Yard box, where he missed it completely. The Chaddy Rd end laughted their cocks off
90 - the worst moment of watching villa. We had clearly not scouted their previous matches and went out of the cup with a limp
92 - Garry Parker had just joined and I'm sure this was his debut (oh to have a player of his vision these days). I'm sure this was a 1-1 draw
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That Charlton 87 is a horror show that sticks in my mind. Wasn't that the game when Andy Gray hit our crossbar with a pass back to the goalkeeper? That Huddersfield game was horrible too. The only bit of me that was dry was my feet then I went for a piss and the "toilets" were little more than a black tar painted outhouse. All the drains were blocked so my feet got as wet as the rest of me. The Southampton game when we went 4-0 down after 20 minutes is also in the black museum. The home fans were allowed to walk on a gantry over the visiting fans. I got hit on the head by a dustbin lid. And there was that game we lost at Watford when the coppers made us walk about ten times around the local allotments before they would let us go to our buses and cars. When was that? Early 90s?
At Huddersfield I got back to the coach and realised I had said yes to ketchup on my soaking wet burger (I was a lot fussier at sixteen) and the programme in my pocket was now just a lump of paper mache. My mate and fellow H&V poster was sympathetic to the point of pissing himself laughing.
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I've seen Villa at Boundary Park 3 times
87 - memorable moment in a 1-0 away win was a McInally bicycle kick in the 6 Yard box, where he missed it completely. The Chaddy Rd end laughted their cocks off
90 - the worst moment of watching villa. We had clearly not scouted their previous matches and went out of the cup with a limp
92 - Garry Parker had just joined and I'm sure this was his debut (oh to have a player of his vision these days). I'm sure this was a 1-1 draw
Add 1971 Oldham 0 Villa 6 - Ironically Villa had been knocked out the FA Cup the week before in 1st rd by Southend,so some things don't change. The Oldham game was Jim Cumbes debut. Brilliant day pissed down all afternoon.
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I've seen Villa at Boundary Park 3 times
87 - memorable moment in a 1-0 away win was a McInally bicycle kick in the 6 Yard box, where he missed it completely. The Chaddy Rd end laughted their cocks off
90 - the worst moment of watching villa. We had clearly not scouted their previous matches and went out of the cup with a limp
92 - Garry Parker had just joined and I'm sure this was his debut (oh to have a player of his vision these days). I'm sure this was a 1-1 draw
I was at those three. The Parker game was '91 I think and a 3-2 defeat. The only other time I went was the 1-1 draw you mentioned, which was '93 I think. Actually I must have gone to one in between, the year we came second. But I can't remember it.
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I've seen Villa at Boundary Park 3 times
87 - memorable moment in a 1-0 away win was a McInally bicycle kick in the 6 Yard box, where he missed it completely. The Chaddy Rd end laughted their cocks off
90 - the worst moment of watching villa. We had clearly not scouted their previous matches and went out of the cup with a limp
92 - Garry Parker had just joined and I'm sure this was his debut (oh to have a player of his vision these days). I'm sure this was a 1-1 draw
I was at those three. The Parker game was '91 I think and a 3-2 defeat. The only other time I went was the 1-1 draw you mentioned, which was '93 I think. Actually I must have gone to one in between, the year we came second. But I can't remember it.
I remember Mark Blake scoring a stunning volley there in the early 90's. Maybe the 1-1 game in '93?
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I think that was the Parker debut in '91. 3-2. I'm sure one of their strikers got a late winner. Could have been Sharpe, Marshall or even Ian Olney.
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Boundary Park is the coldest ground I've ever been to, every time I've been it's been freezing. The lowest for me was the 3-0 cup defeat. I missed my grandad's funeral for that,my mum insisted I go to the game as my grandad loved football and wouldn't want me to miss it, never forgiven Villa for the performance they put in that night.
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I can't ever recall being anything less than frozen at Roker Park or The Stadium of Light either.
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I've seen Villa at Boundary Park 3 times
87 - memorable moment in a 1-0 away win was a McInally bicycle kick in the 6 Yard box, where he missed it completely. The Chaddy Rd end laughted their cocks off
90 - the worst moment of watching villa. We had clearly not scouted their previous matches and went out of the cup with a limp
92 - Garry Parker had just joined and I'm sure this was his debut (oh to have a player of his vision these days). I'm sure this was a 1-1 draw
Add 1971 Oldham 0 Villa 6 - Ironically Villa had been knocked out the FA Cup the week before in 1st rd by Southend,so some things don't change. The Oldham game was Jim Cumbes debut. Brilliant day pissed down all afternoon.
I was also there. Don't forget, Andy Lochhead scored a hat trick.
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I've seen Villa at Boundary Park 3 times
87 - memorable moment in a 1-0 away win was a McInally bicycle kick in the 6 Yard box, where he missed it completely. The Chaddy Rd end laughted their cocks off
90 - the worst moment of watching villa. We had clearly not scouted their previous matches and went out of the cup with a limp
92 - Garry Parker had just joined and I'm sure this was his debut (oh to have a player of his vision these days). I'm sure this was a 1-1 draw
I was at those three. The Parker game was '91 I think and a 3-2 defeat. The only other time I went was the 1-1 draw you mentioned, which was '93 I think. Actually I must have gone to one in between, the year we came second. But I can't remember it.
I remember Mark Blake scoring a stunning volley there in the early 90's. Maybe the 1-1 game in '93?
Cheers lads you have just filled in some blanks. I think Mark Blake scored in the Garry Parker debut.
I'm trying to think of the game in the 92/93 season, but struggling. I think it was before Earl Barrett signed for us (though I could be wide of the mark)
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I've seen Villa at Boundary Park 3 times
87 - memorable moment in a 1-0 away win was a McInally bicycle kick in the 6 Yard box, where he missed it completely. The Chaddy Rd end laughted their cocks off
90 - the worst moment of watching villa. We had clearly not scouted their previous matches and went out of the cup with a limp
92 - Garry Parker had just joined and I'm sure this was his debut (oh to have a player of his vision these days). I'm sure this was a 1-1 draw
I was at those three. The Parker game was '91 I think and a 3-2 defeat. The only other time I went was the 1-1 draw you mentioned, which was '93 I think. Actually I must have gone to one in between, the year we came second. But I can't remember it.
I remember Mark Blake scoring a stunning volley there in the early 90's. Maybe the 1-1 game in '93?
Cheers lads you have just filled in some blanks. I think Mark Blake scored in the Garry Parker debut.
I'm trying to think of the game in the 92/93 season, but struggling. I think it was before Earl Barrett signed for us (though I could be wide of the mark)
1-1. Barrett played; he joined us the previous season as he was cup-tied for the Liverpool quarter final.
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Tottenham were a non league club when they beat us early 1900s. They had to cheat to do it though.
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I've seen Villa at Boundary Park 3 times
87 - memorable moment in a 1-0 away win was a McInally bicycle kick in the 6 Yard box, where he missed it completely. The Chaddy Rd end laughted their cocks off
90 - the worst moment of watching villa. We had clearly not scouted their previous matches and went out of the cup with a limp
92 - Garry Parker had just joined and I'm sure this was his debut (oh to have a player of his vision these days). I'm sure this was a 1-1 draw
Add 1971 Oldham 0 Villa 6 - Ironically Villa had been knocked out the FA Cup the week before in 1st rd by Southend,so some things don't change. The Oldham game was Jim Cumbes debut. Brilliant day pissed down all afternoon.
I was also there. Don't forget, Andy Lochhead scored a hat trick.
I remember that well. There was talk that a load of Man City fans were turning up.
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I've seen Villa at Boundary Park 3 times
87 - memorable moment in a 1-0 away win was a McInally bicycle kick in the 6 Yard box, where he missed it completely. The Chaddy Rd end laughted their cocks off
90 - the worst moment of watching villa. We had clearly not scouted their previous matches and went out of the cup with a limp
92 - Garry Parker had just joined and I'm sure this was his debut (oh to have a player of his vision these days). I'm sure this was a 1-1 draw
Add 1971 Oldham 0 Villa 6 - Ironically Villa had been knocked out the FA Cup the week before in 1st rd by Southend,so some things don't change. The Oldham game was Jim Cumbes debut. Brilliant day pissed down all afternoon.
I was also there. Don't forget, Andy Lochhead scored a hat trick.
I remember that well. There was talk that a load of Man City fans were turning up.
They turned up at Bury, the week before the 1971 LCF. One was waving a bike chain. I had to run under a Police horse to get out of the way, then got whacked with a rolled up paper by an old bag who called me a hooligan. There were no more that 250 Villa at that game.
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Tottenham were a non league club when they beat us early 1900s. They had to cheat to do it though.
I thought Spurs beat us in the semi final of the 1901 FA Cup which they won as a non league side. But on checking I found I was wrong.
It was..er... Sheffield United!
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I found Oldham away a real downer I think it was 89/90 when we finished runners up - I thought it could be our cup year but we rolled over 3-0
Welcome gaza .
That was a bad game, midweeker I recall ? Horrible plastic pitch and we just never got going. Left on about 70 mins got back to the car to find we'd been blocked in and couldn't move. Listened glumly to rest of game on the car radio :-(
same happened to me and my . was it fooking freezing