Aston Villa v Sheffield United Post-Match Thread

[VILLA MOLE]

Well what a shit ending to the Xmas holidays . Not looking forward to work Monday whatsoever.

Shit Villa, shit Ashes. If it wasn't for an extended break from work, I'd have had the worst Christmas I can remember in a long time.

shit I forgot about the ashes oh well at least the Villa will cheer me up oh wait errrrr the economy ??doh

[Oscar Arce]

Villa fans have never shown such patience to a manager, seeing what he is trying to do with younger players but the 'plan' has to show progress and to me this season the football has been turgid and unwatchable, we play every game on the break because Lambert's buys (all the same type of player, particularly in midfield) have no creativity or ability to impose themselves on the game.
Every team I've ever seen has to have some creativity to break down a defence (particularly at home) but we have none.
We play etter away because the home team usually need to show intent to attack, leaving them open to counter attack.
Having watched Villa in every game since Lambert's appointment I have to conclude tha this is his 'plan'.
I go back a long way and he reminds me so much of Tommy Docherty, young players at all costs, even if it means relegation, as it did in Docherty's case.
I can only conclude that he will not change, he will not buy creative orward thinking midfield players that you need t unlock a defence at home and that is why we have such an appalling home record.
Westwwod, Delph, El Ahamidi, Slla, et al cannot play a forward pass but are reasonably effective in holding the centre ground to set up a counter attacking style.
For this reason, added to the dire period we are suffeing, the lack of a coherent style to break down defences, and the manager's stubborness to change (another Docherty trait..it must be a Scots thing!!) I have to say the only solution for me would be for the manager to be relieved of his position.
The first thing an experienced manager would do is to sign better and more experienced players in the spine of the team, which is exactly what Vic Crowe as Docherty's replacement did, but unfortunately too late.

'Young players at all costs' Oscar. Do you mean like Peter Broadbent?

Tommy Docherty didn't sign Peter Broadbent.

[Ron Manager]

Time for our owner to come out of his cave in the Catskill mountains and (as the yanks say) man up.

[Ron Manager]

Villa fans have never shown such patience to a manager, seeing what he is trying to do with younger players but the 'plan' has to show progress and to me this season the football has been turgid and unwatchable, we play every game on the break because Lambert's buys (all the same type of player, particularly in midfield) have no creativity or ability to impose themselves on the game.
Every team I've ever seen has to have some creativity to break down a defence (particularly at home) but we have none.
We play etter away because the home team usually need to show intent to attack, leaving them open to counter attack.
Having watched Villa in every game since Lambert's appointment I have to conclude tha this is his 'plan'.
I go back a long way and he reminds me so much of Tommy Docherty, young players at all costs, even if it means relegation, as it did in Docherty's case.
I can only conclude that he will not change, he will not buy creative orward thinking midfield players that you need t unlock a defence at home and that is why we have such an appalling home record.
Westwwod, Delph, El Ahamidi, Slla, et al cannot play a forward pass but are reasonably effective in holding the centre ground to set up a counter attacking style.
For this reason, added to the dire period we are suffeing, the lack of a coherent style to break down defences, and the manager's stubborness to change (another Docherty trait..it must be a Scots thing!!) I have to say the only solution for me would be for the manager to be relieved of his position.
The first thing an experienced manager would do is to sign better and more experienced players in the spine of the team, which is exactly what Vic Crowe as Docherty's replacement did, but unfortunately too late.

'Young players at all costs' Oscar. Do you mean like Peter Broadbent?

Tommy Docherty didn't sign Peter Broadbent.

I know but he brought him back into the team to provide a bit of class. Wonderful player to watch even though he was coming to the end of his glorious career.

[kippaxvilla2]

Yes.

I wish it was run like one.

Absoloutely. We have an owner whose soul aim has been to downgrade fans expectations. It's the only thing he's been successful at doing

Asda being run like a corner shop.

[Chris Harte]

I feel robbed. And I used my Villa cash to buy the ticket.

Me too. There wasn't even a transaction fee.

[CCIS]

Lambert is a bit of a wanker - that much is true! I was at Sunderland and we gave the majority of the possession to them, and they gifted us a goal! When we play away we can give the opposition the ball, and play on the counter. It isn't pretty, but quite effective. We also didn't play Ciaran Clarke too, a bit of a New Years treat if you don't mind me saying. However, when we play at home, it's a different ball game. Only the quality teams seem to attack us, and they have too much quality for us to defend for 90 minutes. We cannot keep the ball for extended periods, the quality isn't there. So we can either go two ways - play with a Martin o'twat wide style of play, giving more ariel service to Benteke and the other forwards, or simply go long ball with gabby and and a big man up top.

Today unfortunately I was washing my hair so I couldn't attend, but what I have heard is that we lacked any goal threatening oppotunities. For anyone who even suggests starting helenias (apologies for the spelling) you are clearly on drugs, he is one of the worst players I have ever seen grace the hallowed turf, along with Clarke, Luna, Bennet, el 'that bloke who can't pass in centre mid' and Sylla.

When you lose to a league 1 side you need to ask questions. When you lose to a league 1 side with a near enough first XI, then changes need to be made. Rumours of players like hoolahan being signed are frightening! Sources tell me it's near enough a done deal, it makes me wonder why doesn't lambert address the problem at hand. Mr Lambert please sign nasty bastard. Not someone like Joey Barton, he is shit. Someone who gives the team a purpose. Possible a midfielder who gets the occasional goal, or who just plays simple football, I like Kevin Nolan, however i do not feel he would fit the system.

Game after game Lambert seems to be losing the faith of more and more fans. No point getting rid of him, I personally think houiller was wrongly forced out, but that's just me. I don't think we will go down, but fuck me, a bit of interesting football at home would do. Your system works away, but as shown today, we might as well not turn up at home. For over 25 quid a game, just fucking change the system so the 35 thousand of us may actually want to come down, you stubborn Scottish fuck wit. Rant over!

[Oscar Arce]

Villa fans have never shown such patience to a manager, seeing what he is trying to do with younger players but the 'plan' has to show progress and to me this season the football has been turgid and unwatchable, we play every game on the break because Lambert's buys (all the same type of player, particularly in midfield) have no creativity or ability to impose themselves on the game.
Every team I've ever seen has to have some creativity to break down a defence (particularly at home) but we have none.
We play etter away because the home team usually need to show intent to attack, leaving them open to counter attack.
Having watched Villa in every game since Lambert's appointment I have to conclude tha this is his 'plan'.
I go back a long way and he reminds me so much of Tommy Docherty, young players at all costs, even if it means relegation, as it did in Docherty's case.
I can only conclude that he will not change, he will not buy creative orward thinking midfield players that you need t unlock a defence at home and that is why we have such an appalling home record.
Westwwod, Delph, El Ahamidi, Slla, et al cannot play a forward pass but are reasonably effective in holding the centre ground to set up a counter attacking style.
For this reason, added to the dire period we are suffeing, the lack of a coherent style to break down defences, and the manager's stubborness to change (another Docherty trait..it must be a Scots thing!!) I have to say the only solution for me would be for the manager to be relieved of his position.
The first thing an experienced manager would do is to sign better and more experienced players in the spine of the team, which is exactly what Vic Crowe as Docherty's replacement did, but unfortunately too late.

'Young players at all costs' Oscar. Do you mean like Peter Broadbent?

Tommy Docherty didn't sign Peter Broadbent.

I know but he brought him back into the team to provide a bit of class. Wonderful player to watch even though he was coming to the end of his glorious career.

Yes he brought him back into the side briefly but he was signed by Dick Taylor from Shrewsbury for his 'Indian Summer' which included a great FA Cup run and saviour from relegation, but was soon jettisoned the following season when he bought only younger players. That was the comparison I was making with Lambert. And once it all went wrong, and just like Lambert,he just wouldn't change his course, the stubborn bugger.

[Chris Harte]

I personally think houiller was wrongly forced out

Houiller wasn't forced out. It was the little matter of a knackered ticker that meant he was no longer fit enough to do the job.

[BC54 VFC]

I've just started watching the Little Fockers for the second time today.

[Ron Manager]

Villa fans have never shown such patience to a manager, seeing what he is trying to do with younger players but the 'plan' has to show progress and to me this season the football has been turgid and unwatchable, we play every game on the break because Lambert's buys (all the same type of player, particularly in midfield) have no creativity or ability to impose themselves on the game.
Every team I've ever seen has to have some creativity to break down a defence (particularly at home) but we have none.
We play etter away because the home team usually need to show intent to attack, leaving them open to counter attack.
Having watched Villa in every game since Lambert's appointment I have to conclude tha this is his 'plan'.
I go back a long way and he reminds me so much of Tommy Docherty, young players at all costs, even if it means relegation, as it did in Docherty's case.
I can only conclude that he will not change, he will not buy creative orward thinking midfield players that you need t unlock a defence at home and that is why we have such an appalling home record.
Westwwod, Delph, El Ahamidi, Slla, et al cannot play a forward pass but are reasonably effective in holding the centre ground to set up a counter attacking style.
For this reason, added to the dire period we are suffeing, the lack of a coherent style to break down defences, and the manager's stubborness to change (another Docherty trait..it must be a Scots thing!!) I have to say the only solution for me would be for the manager to be relieved of his position.
The first thing an experienced manager would do is to sign better and more experienced players in the spine of the team, which is exactly what Vic Crowe as Docherty's replacement did, but unfortunately too late.

'Young players at all costs' Oscar. Do you mean like Peter Broadbent?

Tommy Docherty didn't sign Peter Broadbent.

I know but he brought him back into the team to provide a bit of class. Wonderful player to watch even though he was coming to the end of his glorious career.

Yes he brought him back into the side briefly but he was signed by Dick Taylor from Shrewsbury for his 'Indian Summer' which included a great FA Cup run and saviour from relegation, but was soon jettisoned the following season when he bought only younger players. That was the comparison I was making with Lambert. And once it all went wrong, and just like Lambert,he just wouldn't change his course, the stubborn bugger.

The Doc was exactly the manager we needed to bring the club into the 20th century. Villa suddenly became known again. Lambert is a sour faced obstinate fool. The Doc made me laugh..a lot

Off to bed...goodnight children everywhere.

[caster troy]

I just heard that Walsall managed to beat them only 3 days ago. I assume they've spent a little less than Lambert in the past 18 months.

[Walmley_Villa]

I just heard that Walsall managed to beat them only 3 days ago. I assume they've spent a little less than Lambert in the past 18 months.

Apparently Dean Smith made a tactical change during the game which led to the win. Sounds revolutionary to me....

[Des Little]

I just heard that Walsall managed to beat them only 3 days ago. I assume they've spent a little less than Lambert in the past 18 months.

I think they're slightly further into their 'project' than we are.

[curlytailavfc]

has he been sacked yet or was it a dream?