Aston Villa v Sheffield United Post-Match Thread

[Dave Cooper please]

Can I just say that I really, really detest Nigel Clough.

Thanks.

[russon]

I did not dismiss him I defended myself as a Holte ender of seventy years.   I am very proud of the Villa fans.   I was also not best pleased at being considered a lesser fan than a Sheffield United one.

As for me taking offence at seeing Villa fans fighting each other in the ground, I regard such actions as completely inexcusable.   It is a symptom of the fans distress but every bit as bad as homophobia and racism if not worse.

i wasn't referring to violence, you're quite right that would be inexcusable, I meant the verbal jousting that you'd objected to and called in the  Mods (big apology if it wasn't you).

I don't think he considers Sheffield utd fans better than yow but it does remind me of a funny incident of Villa fan chest thumping I witnessed in the 80s at the train station in Manchester after Utd had relegated us. 2 blokes came to blows when arguing over who was the most 'Villa Till I Die' merchant. It all boiled down to which of them had been to a particular midweek away game (I think Wimbledon) and given bloke 1 had to concede he hadn't gone, he dealt with the ignominy by bopping bloke 2 on the nose!

That's the tragedy of Villa's bad years, it tips folk over the edge.

[Villafirst]

Lerner and Faulkner are too weak to act. Lambert should've gone after the Bradford debacle last year - we got away with it by the skin of our teeth in the end. Other clubs have sacked their Managers for far less. The majority of the fans have lost confidence in the Manager, this will transmit to the dressing room if it hasn't already. Lambert and most of his players are simply not good enough, so this long term vision and plan will fail on a lack of quality.

[brian green]

I did not object yesterday to the Mods about what you call "verbal jousting"  I objected to a poster using the words "retarded" "yank" and "septic" in a tirade of almost incoherent abuse aimed at Randy Lerner.   I can joust with the best of you.   Just try me.

As for the anecdote about the Villa fans trying to prove higher rank as a fan from seeing more games or whatever I am not suddenly going to hide how long I have stood on the Holte to protect myself from accusations real or insinuated that I claim to be better than anybody else.   Just older.

[Ron Manager]

I have, in the past few days contacted a couple of fans of the Cleveland Browns (through a fans forum) and basically  they confirmed,whilst in charge of the Browns, Randy hardly said a word to the supporters of the team he owned. Apparently his father who owned the club before his son was a little more forthcoming but not by much!

I think Randy Lerner is a very nice man who look on our club as a hobby. I believe he would sell if someone came up with a decent offer.

I hope a buyer can be found.

[eastie]

Lerner and Faulkner are too weak to act. Lambert should've gone after the Bradford debacle last year - we got away with it by the skin of our teeth in the end. Other clubs have sacked their Managers for far less. The majority of the fans have lost confidence in the Manager, this will transmit to the dressing room if it hasn't already. Lambert and most of his players are simply not good enough, so this long term vision and plan will fail on a lack of quality.

Lerner was accused by many browns fans of being trigger happy during his reign there never hesitating to pull the trigger on coaches - both houllier and Mcleish went after a season albeit houllier had health issues - Lambert may not be quite as safe as he thinks he is.

[aj2k77]

I have, in the past few days contacted a couple of fans of the Cleveland Browns (through a fans forum) and basically  they confirmed,whilst in charge of the Browns, Randy hardly said a word to the supporters of the team he owned. Apparently his father who owned the club before his son was a little more forthcoming but not by much!

I think Randy Lerner is a very nice man who look on our club as a hobby. I believe he would sell if someone came up with a decent offer.

I hope a buyer can be found.

In American football though they have the various coaches and then the general manager who is front of house and the mouthpiece between club fans and media.

We get Paul Lambore and his weekly repetitive paragraph and nothing else.

[Damo70]

To be fair we do have a coach who enjoys communicating with the fans.

[Ron Manager]

To be fair we do have a coach who enjoys communicating with the fans.

Very good Damo!

[john e]

Lerner and Faulkner are too weak to act. Lambert should've gone after the Bradford debacle last year - we got away with it by the skin of our teeth in the end. Other clubs have sacked their Managers for far less. The majority of the fans have lost confidence in the Manager, this will transmit to the dressing room if it hasn't already. Lambert and most of his players are simply not good enough, so this long term vision and plan will fail on a lack of quality.

Lerner was accused by many browns fans of being trigger happy during his reign there never hesitating to pull the trigger on coaches - both houllier and Mcleish went after a season albeit houllier had health issues - Lambert may not be quite as safe as he thinks he is.

I don't think he is safe,
if like many, including you think we will soon be in trouble in the bottom area of the division then he will be in danger of the sack, no doubt
But while we remain playing rubbish football but bobbing around mid table then there is no way he is going to be sacked

Randy will not sack a manager when he is doing the job he came in to do, which was to lift us up the table while cost cutting at the same time
When the situation changes in the league table, then you might get your wish

[VillaAlways]

Lambert lost us that game, even if his comments were taken out of context, they set the tone for the match.The players were not up for it and the supporters were not up for it. It also gave a hell of a lot of motivation to Sheffield United. We were there for the taking, thanks to Lambert a result as predictable as night following day.

[Brian Taylor]

Let's forget it..put it behind us and get head into gear to save us from the drop!

[eastie]

Lerner and Faulkner are too weak to act. Lambert should've gone after the Bradford debacle last year - we got away with it by the skin of our teeth in the end. Other clubs have sacked their Managers for far less. The majority of the fans have lost confidence in the Manager, this will transmit to the dressing room if it hasn't already. Lambert and most of his players are simply not good enough, so this long term vision and plan will fail on a lack of quality.

Lerner was accused by many browns fans of being trigger happy during his reign there never hesitating to pull the trigger on coaches - both houllier and Mcleish went after a season albeit houllier had health issues - Lambert may not be quite as safe as he thinks he is.

I don't think he is safe,
if like many, including you think we will soon be in trouble in the bottom area of the division then he will be in danger of the sack, no doubt
But while we remain playing rubbish football but bobbing around mid table then there is no way he is going to be sacked

Randy will not sack a manager when he is doing the job he came in to do, which was to lift us up the table while cost cutting at the same time
When the situation changes in the league table, then you might get your wish

Possibly so, but by then the transfer window will be over and any new man would have no chance to bring in anyone to improve the squad - its possible the new manager effect may produce results as PDC found at Sunderland but ideally if a change is to be made then it should be now to give a new man chance to bring in a couple of his own players.

[VillaAlways]

Let's forget it..put it behind us and get head into gear to save us from the drop!

Our sole ambition as a club. Avoiding relegation year in year out. Depressing.

[john e]

Lerner and Faulkner are too weak to act. Lambert should've gone after the Bradford debacle last year - we got away with it by the skin of our teeth in the end. Other clubs have sacked their Managers for far less. The majority of the fans have lost confidence in the Manager, this will transmit to the dressing room if it hasn't already. Lambert and most of his players are simply not good enough, so this long term vision and plan will fail on a lack of quality.

Lerner was accused by many browns fans of being trigger happy during his reign there never hesitating to pull the trigger on coaches - both houllier and Mcleish went after a season albeit houllier had health issues - Lambert may not be quite as safe as he thinks he is.

I don't think he is safe,
if like many, including you think we will soon be in trouble in the bottom area of the division then he will be in danger of the sack, no doubt
But while we remain playing rubbish football but bobbing around mid table then there is no way he is going to be sacked

Randy will not sack a manager when he is doing the job he came in to do, which was to lift us up the table while cost cutting at the same time
When the situation changes in the league table, then you might get your wish

Possibly so, but by then the transfer window will be over and any new man would have no chance to bring in anyone to improve the squad - its possible the new manager effect may produce results as PDC found at Sunderland but ideally if a change is to be made then it should be now to give a new man chance to bring in a couple of his own players.

Like I say there were people expecting Lerner to be called into the office for his cards yesterday, things like 'tipping point' 'dead man walking' 'he's a gonna' were all posted, when in my view we are no where near that yet

As far as Randy is concerned Lambert has got the team up the league with more points, more goals and less goals conceded than this time last year,
all this whilst buying cheap nobodies payed in washers and getting a few high earning wastrels out at the same time

Until that changs you won't get your wish no matter how much you try and justify it with an impending transfer window