Aston Villa v Sheffield United Post-Match Thread

[dicedlam]

It would be interesting to hear pelty's take on things.

[Flamingo Lane]

See this Forest side shows that coaching has a massive impact, they can't have better players than us but they're playing much better football.

Why is it not possible for them to have better players? Because were in the EPL?

Well it would make sense.

Take out 3-4 of our better players and we're pretty much on a par with most Championship sides to be fair. Some of our players would probably struggle in that division too, to be honest.

Actually, I think there is now very little to choose between the teams in the bottom half of the premier league and those in the top half of the championship.

[oldhill_avfc]

I wish the General was still here to tell us everything is going to be alright. And to phone Nicky Keys. Although on reflection the sickening displays of sycophancy shown towards him probably makes it best he's not.

I don't recall much sycophancy. General Krulak was and is deserving of respect. He didn't have to come on to the forums and put up with half the bullshit he did put up with.

Oh come on.  Many posters were so far up his arse they could see his tonsils.

He lost any respect he deserved by posting inane motherhood and apple pie stuff when asked direct questions about the issues that really mattered before disappearing off into the sunset when things got a bit heated.

edit - just seen Paulie's post - seems we've said pretty much the same things

[bertlambshank]

The General was full of shit towards the end.
Anybody remember when TSM was appointed,top 4/5 with the right backing,both of those are still floating in the wind.

[KevinGage]

The home form will get him the sack.

no it wont, the league table will

Yes it will,once the fans start voting with their feet out he goes.

I agree- several chairmen have said its the fans who sack managers not the chairman .
Once fans vent their anger there is usually a quick reaction.

Agreed.

The fans have been loyal to all concerned so far ... the players, Lambert and Lerner.  They should all be very careful though as it will all change very quickly if they're not careful.

The little show of 'togetherness' from the players last week was dangerous- aligning yourself with Culverhouse and Lambert (in reality or merely perceived) doesn't seem wise and will alienate the supporters if repeated.

The idiotic comments from Lambert about the FA Cup had no upside potential at all - the only effect again to alienate the supporters.

The lack of anything positive from Lerner has been eroding confidence and alienating the supporters for the past 3 years.

No matter how safe they feel in their protected world they would do well to remember they not the club and they are rapidly losing the respect and support of the people who embody the spirit and meaning of Aston Villa - the people who are the club.   

I like the cut of your jib.   

In that same game, Weimann put his finger to his lips 'shooshing' someone in the stands who was giving him stick.

I'm not a fan of any of our lot getting personal abuse from the stands. But the best was to shut those individuals up is performances on the pitch.  That's where it counts, and where Andreas (like most of his teammates in fairness) has come up short this season. I'm sure they don't like getting booed, but are they really delusional enough (and I include Culverhouse in that) to think that they are getting unwarranted criticism?

-Least goals at home in all four divisions in England. 
-Worst home record out of all the major leagues in Europe for the past three years.
-Bradford at home last season

How many other clubs would tolerate that.

The nightmare scenario of course is that Lerner will give him the money for a CB and creative MF both with experience and a proven track record and he will not know what to do with it.

He will be a mug punter who makes his selections sticking a pin in the list of runners who has lost his pin and suddenly needs to know about the horses.

The path he has preferred is the shotgun birdshot blast at the transfer market on the basis that the law of averages says buy enough and you will get a good one.   What this window requires of him is a couple of rifle shots at selected targets and I don't think he is up to it.   He is already on record as saying that January is an inflated market which of course it is and the trick is to buy well enough in the summer that you do not need January buys.   He did not buy well enough so he has no choice but to buy some backbone for the team.

I do not think he is up to it.   He will revert to type and buy four improvers.

Yes.

And then get potted in the summer (or Oct/Nov next season) leaving the new guy to clear out all his old shit, meaning the next manager can't be judged/held accountable/ or build his own side until all the 'deadwood' is cleared off the wagebill  Sound familiar? 

We've been playing that tune since 2010.  It's thumpingly dull.

[richard moore]

I wish the General was still here to tell us everything is going to be alright. And to phone Nicky Keys. Although on reflection the sickening displays of sycophancy shown towards him probably makes it best he's not.

I don't recall much sycophancy. General Krulak was and is deserving of respect. He didn't have to come on to the forums and put up with half the bullshit he did put up with.

Oh come on.  Many posters were so far up his arse they could see his tonsils.

He lost any respect he deserved by posting inane motherhood and apple pie stuff when asked direct questions about the issues that really mattered before disappearing off into the sunset when things got a bit heated.

edit - just seen Paulie's post - seems we've said pretty much the same things

I agree totally oldhill. How dare Villa fans of 20 years or more standing have the temerity to question some guy who appeared from nowhere on here when things were good, had loads of soundbites, and then disappeared into the sunset PDQ when the shit started to hit the fan. He lost any respect I had for him totally and it was already wearing thin when he was on here

[LifelongToad]

Didn't PL get brought in because he was a good motivator? It's a shame Benteke hasn't been firing and our defence has been reduced to Clark and Baker in the middle at times - it seems to make the whole squad uncomfortable and understandably so!!

We all knew what was happening when Lambert came in, we have to stick with it now!

Would you rather Malky?

Is malky the only option?
Marcelo Bielsa is available as I'm sure are others who would maybe fancy a crack at the english league.

Would be nice!

[pauliewalnuts]

I wish the General was still here to tell us everything is going to be alright. And to phone Nicky Keys. Although on reflection the sickening displays of sycophancy shown towards him probably makes it best he's not.

I don't recall much sycophancy. General Krulak was and is deserving of respect. He didn't have to come on to the forums and put up with half the bullshit he did put up with.

Oh come on.  Many posters were so far up his arse they could see his tonsils.

He lost any respect he deserved by posting inane motherhood and apple pie stuff when asked direct questions about the issues that really mattered before disappearing off into the sunset when things got a bit heated.

edit - just seen Paulie's post - seems we've said pretty much the same things

I agree totally oldhill. How dare Villa fans of 20 years or more standing have the temerity to question some guy who appeared from nowhere on here when things were good, had loads of soundbites, and then disappeared into the sunset PDQ when the shit started to hit the fan. He lost any respect I had for him totally and it was already wearing thin when he was on here

I kept saying at the time, but I dont see how they thought that disengaging like he did - ie disappearing from view - was the best way to withdraw from that whole "interaction with fan forums" thing.

Don't get me wrong, I think they were right to do it - we spent fucking ages asking people not to ask him certain things, and they'd ignore us and ask them over and again in any case - I entirely understand why they opted to withdraw.

What I will never understand is why they didn't go to the trouble of a two or three line post saying he was withdrawing, and maybe hinting at why. They were enough reasons to choose from.

They opted not to bother, though, and the inevitable result was that people thought "hang on, they just disappeared, right as the shit hits the fan for the first time". That was bad enough, but seeing as they didnt bother to tell us what they were doing, it then led people to think that they just weren't that bothered about what we thought.

I also thought that the "it's all just marketing bullshit" line some people had was harsh, but abruptly disappearing as he did made that argument look much stronger than it should have - it started to look like the minute it became more hassle than it was worth to them they knocked it on the head, and didn't really care about how it made them look. People then, inevitably, started thinking "shit, maybe it actually was mostly marketing bullshit, after all".

A big fuck up which could have been very, very easily avoided.

[pauliewalnuts]

The General was full of shit towards the end.
Anybody remember when TSM was appointed,top 4/5 with the right backing,both of those are still floating in the wind.

i think that's very harsh. He was doing what he thought he needed to do. To say he was full of shit is unreasonable, in my opinion.

As for defending the McLeish appointment, well, really, that was a state of affairs so ridiculously surreal, I don't think there's a person on the planet who could have come up with a satisfactory bit of logic to explain that.

[Toronto Villa]

I imagine when the General got wind of McLeish being hired his first thought would have been "how the fuck do I spin this?" He likely called a meeting of senior military staff to come up up a communication plan. All to no avail.

[bertlambshank]

The General was full of shit towards the end.
Anybody remember when TSM was appointed,top 4/5 with the right backing,both of those are still floating in the wind.

i think that's very harsh. He was doing what he thought he needed to do. To say he was full of shit is unreasonable, in my opinion.

As for defending the McLeish appointment, well, really, that was a state of affairs so ridiculously surreal, I don't think there's a person on the planet who could have come up with a satisfactory bit of logic to explain that.

He was only full of shit because of what he was told to say,a bit like Lambert now.I feel sorry for the pair of them.

[john e]

I imagine when the General got wind of McLeish being hired his first thought would have been "how the fuck do I spin this?" He likely called a meeting of senior military staff to come up up a communication plan. All to no avail.

Col.Nathan R. Jessup - you want answers, 'i want the truth' you can't handle the truth

[mr underhill]

Lambert's not bright enough to stay on piste. hence the FA Cup presser debacle.

[Ron Manager]

I imagine when the General got wind of McLeish being hired his first thought would have been "how the fuck do I spin this?" He likely called a meeting of senior military staff to come up up a communication plan. All to no avail.

and Malcolm Tucker.

[peter w]

Well obviously Iwon,t go too far into the General thing, but Ialways believed he was here purely for PR andwas always  amazed that the club didn't foresee how it would inevitably end.