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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: frank on July 01, 2011, 02:48:36 PM
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The PM was photographed today jogging in Hyde Park wearing a no 10 Villa shirt:
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The Evening Standard reporter who saw him wrote in his blog:
The PM passed me as I cycled west through Kensington Gardens just before 7.30am this morning, just past the Serpentine Gallery.
I did a double-take - he was surrounded by FIVE protection officers (four men and a woman) - and noticed he was wearing a footie shirt with his name and the number of 10 Downing Street on the back.
At first I thought it was a West Ham shirt but then realised it was more likely to be Villa - nearer his Witney constituency.
But I needed a pic. First I waited for him near the Serpentine gallery, and then as he and his team passed the Serpentine lake. But with only my BlackBerry to hand, I couldn't get the "money shot" - one that showed CAMERON 10 on the back of the shirt.
Despite his scary-looking police officer (the bald one who looks like ex-Villa goalie Brad Friedel) giving me a filthy look and demanding: "Haven't you got anything better to do?" I pedalled back to Hyde Park Corner for one last attempt.
There Mr Cameron and his officers had stopped for a breather, having probably been running for at least 30 minutes. I introduced myself as being from the Evening Standard and asked if he would pose for a picture with his shirt - but he declined and would only say: "I am an ardent fan."
(At first I thought he was talking about the Evening Standard but he repeated the phrase when I said I liked the No10 on his back.)
Sadly, I didn't get a shot of "CAMERON 10" but you can just about make it out from my amateurish video clip above.
Downing Street's press office hasn't responded to my question about whether the shirt was a present, but a spokesman for Aston Villa told me he believed the club had presented the PM with a replica shirt - but couldn't be sure it was the one he was wearing.
Here's the link which includes the video clip:
LINK (http://lydall.standard.co.uk/2011/07/exclusive-prime-minister-jogging-in-10-cameron-aston-villa-shirt.html#tp)
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getting a bit podgy, isn't he? will look like Nicholas Soames in a couple of years.
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You'd think he could afford the latest shirt, unless he too isn't a fan of the checks.
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We should issue some kind of 'fatwa', as this is a close to blasphemy as it gets in my godless world.
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Thought it was common knowledge that the PM was a Villa fan? Why does this hack seem so reluctant to believe it?
First of all it must be a West Ham shirt. Then it must be a present from someone. Then he thinks he's saying he's "an ardent fan" of the f*cking Evening Standard??
Twat
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He'll have to change it to Albrighton Street for this season.
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He'll have to change it to Albrighton Street for this season.
Tidy.
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Perhaps this thread should be merged with the nutters and Nazis thread to keep all the unpalatable topics in one place.
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As ever, time to point out this is the same David Cameron who always said he wasn't a Villa supporter.
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As ever, time to point out this is the same David Cameron who always said he wasn't a Villa supporter.
Neither was his uncle !
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As ever, time to point out this is the same David Cameron who always said he wasn't a Villa supporter.
Quite.
It was bad enough with Blair romancing about Newcastle, now we've got this bloated buffoon professing to be a Villa supporter.
What next?
Nick Griffin in one of our 70's retro shirts?
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In the shirt, on the park!
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As ever, time to point out this is the same David Cameron who always said he wasn't a Villa supporter.
Surely nobody was a Villa supporter before they became a Villa supporter?
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As ever, time to point out this is the same David Cameron who always said he wasn't a Villa supporter.
Neither was his uncle !
His uncle was. No problem with his uncle at all.
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In the Grauniad article it says that 'reportedly' his uncle was former Villa chairman Sir William Dugdale and he became a fan after he took him to a match.
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In the Grauniad article it says that 'reportedly' his uncle was former Villa chairman Sir William Dugdale and he became a fan after he took him to a match.
Birmingham Mail:
David Cameron has been a follower of Aston Villa since he was a teenager.
And his choice of club is hardly surprising – for a love of Villa runs in his family.
Mr Cameron was taken to his first match aged 13 by his uncle, former Villa chairman Sir William Dugdale.
Seated in the directors’ box, the wide-eyed youngster was smitten and has been a fan ever since.
Read More http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2010/05/14/aston-villa-david-cameron-s-reasons-supporting-villa-revealed-97319-26444566/#ixzz1QrjJAptc
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I wouldn't want to be kicked from Witney to Aston either....in fact I'd say West Ham IS closer. Hang on....yep 7 miles closer according to AA route planner.
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As ever, time to point out this is the same David Cameron who always said he wasn't a Villa supporter.
Would that be the same David Cameron I saw on tv telling the world and Adrian chiles he is a villa fan and William dugdale took him there in his younger days- sir William being a close relative of the young Cameron.
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I don't know why he has to jog anywhere, surely his bitch Clegg can carry him around on his shoulders.
The picture reminds me so much of the King Edwards, Scotland Lane kids that we used to beat up.
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As ever, time to point out this is the same David Cameron who always said he wasn't a Villa supporter.
Would that be the same David Cameron I saw on tv telling the world and Adrian chiles he is a villa fan and William dugdale took him there in his younger days- sir William being a close relative of the young Cameron.
That's the one. Who also said before then that first of all he wasn't a Villa supporter, then he was a nominal one, then he was afraid of being compared to Blair circa the Wor Jackie farce.
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As ever, time to point out this is the same David Cameron who always said he wasn't a Villa supporter.
Would that be the same David Cameron I saw on tv telling the world and Adrian chiles he is a villa fan and William dugdale took him there in his younger days- sir William being a close relative of the young Cameron.
If it was Tony Blair 5 years ago it would have been on the front cover of H & V, you should know how it is here by now. No Tories allowed !
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You'd think he could afford the latest shirt, unless he too isn't a fan of the checks.
He probably just wants to promote Acorns!
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As ever, time to point out this is the same David Cameron who always said he wasn't a Villa supporter.
Would that be the same David Cameron I saw on tv telling the world and Adrian chiles he is a villa fan and William dugdale took him there in his younger days- sir William being a close relative of the young Cameron.
If it was Tony Blair 5 years ago it would have been on the front cover of H & V, you should know how it is here by now. No Tories allowed !
If it was any self-seeking, publicity-hungry politician they would have got the same response, so if you want to make any more smartarse comments get your facts right.
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As ever, time to point out this is the same David Cameron who always said he wasn't a Villa supporter.
Would that be the same David Cameron I saw on tv telling the world and Adrian chiles he is a villa fan and William dugdale took him there in his younger days- sir William being a close relative of the young Cameron.
If it was Tony Blair 5 years ago it would have been on the front cover of H & V, you should know how it is here by now. No Tories allowed !
I doubt it.
Blairs Newcastle remarks had the piss ripped out of them on here (and rightly so).
I cringe at the thought of any politician nailing our colours to their dubious masts, left, right or centre.
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As ever, time to point out this is the same David Cameron who always said he wasn't a Villa supporter.
Would that be the same David Cameron I saw on tv telling the world and Adrian chiles he is a villa fan and William dugdale took him there in his younger days- sir William being a close relative of the young Cameron.
That's the one. Who also said before then that first of all he wasn't a Villa supporter, then he was a nominal one, then he was afraid of being compared to Blair circa the Wor Jackie farce.
Well, with that farce can you blame him.
Apart from ensuring he is bestest buddies with Willie, why would he want to associate himself with us just for publicity? When Blair was claiming Newcastle, that was when they were everywhere in the news and all the press was claiming they were every-bodies favourite second team.
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As ever, time to point out this is the same David Cameron who always said he wasn't a Villa supporter.
Would that be the same David Cameron I saw on tv telling the world and Adrian chiles he is a villa fan and William dugdale took him there in his younger days- sir William being a close relative of the young Cameron.
That's the one. Who also said before then that first of all he wasn't a Villa supporter, then he was a nominal one, then he was afraid of being compared to Blair circa the Wor Jackie farce.
Well, with that farce can you blame him.
Apart from ensuring he is bestest buddies with Willie, why would he want to associate himself with us just for publicity? When Blair was claiming Newcastle, that was when they were everywhere in the news and all the press was claiming they were every-bodies favourite second team.
I think the team is pretty irrelevant (unless it was say Manure, which would make him look 'new fan')
It's done to show 'I'm normal, I love footy, just like you lot'
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As ever, time to point out this is the same David Cameron who always said he wasn't a Villa supporter.
Would that be the same David Cameron I saw on tv telling the world and Adrian chiles he is a villa fan and William dugdale took him there in his younger days- sir William being a close relative of the young Cameron.
If it was Tony Blair 5 years ago it would have been on the front cover of H & V, you should know how it is here by now. No Tories allowed !
If it was any self-seeking, publicity-hungry politician they would have got the same response, so if you want to make any more smartarse comments get your facts right.
So why is he following us then? That Journalist thought it was a West Ham shirt so we and he aren't getting much. In fact it was only the Cameron 10 thing they were interested in and he didn't even pose for that when asked. I suspect it was a shirt that was sent to him by the club in a similar vein to the "wedding gift" and Dougs to Willie a few years ago.
We are only a fishing bone and an IRA bomb away from having the hat trick of King, PM and Bank of England as fans. Then we can have the same blatant pressure on the FA to ensure success as Real Madrid get in Spain.
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My first thought was crikey Friedels let himself go a bit!
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If it was Tony Blair 5 years ago it would have been on the front cover of H & V, you should know how it is here by now. No Tories allowed !
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If it was any self-seeking, publicity-hungry politician they would have got the same response, so if you want to make any more smartarse comments get your facts right.
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That told me !
I best go stand in the corner then.
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Isn't there a Labour MP who is a Villa fan? Is it a good one or a shit one?
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Jackie Smith who used to be a Home Secretary.
She isn't an MP any more.
To be honest I don't really care who he supports.
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Jackie Smith who used to be a Home Secretary.
She isn't an MP any more.
To be honest I don't really care who he supports.
Shame I didn't wait for an answer as a quick Google search for "Labour Villa Fan" threw up teh Internet Virus as first post.
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Its good to see Richard Dunne has kept himself in shape over the summer
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Maybe he just supports the Villa...simple!
Anyway, he's alright with me.
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My first thought was crikey Friedels let himself go a bit!
And good to see Martin Laursen back in a Villa shirt.
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Hey, he could have worn a predictable Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool etc. Even if he didn't say he was a fan before, and now wants to be one so be it. I don't really agree with his politics but I'm quite convinced Villa supporters as a whole don't all see eye to eye on every issue; Villa related or otherwise. If he wants to be a Villa fan, and wants to wear his top while out for a run, then good for him.
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well said toronto, i love all villa fans, because there the most intelligent.
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Villa Fans : Arghhh bollocks, we never get any attention from anyone :(
David Cameron : Hello, I'm an ardent Villa fan.
Villa Fans : Fuuuuuuuuuuck off!!! You're only doing it for the attention you shiny faced cocksickle.
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I despise the man's politics, but as long as we number Nazis and religious nutjobs among us, I don't have a problem with him being a Villa fan.
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As ever, time to point out this is the same David Cameron who always said he wasn't a Villa supporter.
Everything he says is shit.
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Those shorts are far more offensive than anything else.
Unless he was trying out for the Tour de France and was just about to get on his bike. I wish he would.
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We should issue some kind of 'fatwa', as this is a close to blasphemy as it gets in my godless world.
Brilliant!! lol
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As this site shows every single day, supporting Villa is a broad church. Even the "supporting" is on a spectrum from never having missed a game in decades to making us the first result you look for when you remember its the football season.
I think we all know where Cameron is on that spectrum (and also, for that matter, fellow Old Etonian, Prince William). However, the fact the spectrum happens to be claret and blue means I have no problem with him wearing the shirt.
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It could have an impact on global name/brand recognition. Everybody knows Aston Villa.
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I believe he has been fairly consistent in that he has never claimed to have been a Holte End regular, he doesnt claim to go regularly, in fact his one attendance (which was proven as opposed to Blair's timewarp episode) was in the Directors box.
He just says he supports the Villa but doesnt turn up ( a bit like GregNash).
And him wearing a Villa shirt on a run at 7am in the morning is hardly fishing for publicity. Its not like he turned up to meet Barack Obama in it.
As ever, a bunch of bitter socialists cant see past the politics. Why dont some of you just go 'fair enough, forget your politics, glad you are with us.'
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I wouldn't want to be kicked from Witney to Aston either....in fact I'd say West Ham IS closer. Hang on....yep 7 miles closer according to AA route planner.
It'll work out the longer jounrey though with the M25, M11 and that fucking island at the top of the Barking Road.
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He's a Villa fan? Good for him. He supports the greatest club in the world. Not in the least bit interested about any other issues.
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He's a Villa fan? Good for him. He supports the greatest club in the world. Not in the least bit interested about any other issues.
Hurrah !
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If Acorns get more publicity out of it, then I can (just about) live with it.
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I'm surprised anyone on here actually takes seriously something that a politician said!! Or might have said. Or was perhaps quoted as saying.
Anyway, no publicity is bad publicity.....
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That lump Sir Digby Jones is a Villa fan. Talks "common sense", pity it is always about some poor buggers losing their job/pension/employment rights etc so theat industry can flourish.
Git.
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Thanks to Hansard, a Parliamentary speech made by Cameron in 2001 has come to light. The future PM admits he is not a football fan.
He told the House of Commons: “Many of those who have spoken in the debate or have written about the subject are either lawyers or football fans, but I have to confess that I am neither: I am just a novice parliamentarian who is trying to work out whether the draconian powers in the Bill are really necessary.”
http://www.offthepost.info/2010/12/england-2018-bid-trump-card-david-cameron-doesnt-even-like-football/
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He'll probably turn up at Number 24 in the Top 50 Villa Players Ever on the official site tomorrow...
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Crikey, can you imagine the shit he would get on here if he supported Manure Chelsea Liverpool? He is a Villa fan as far as i am concerned and i am pleased about it.
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Crikey, can you imagine the shit he would get on here if he supported Manure Chelsea Liverpool? He is a Villa fan as far as i am concerned and i am pleased about it.
What if Nick Griffin decided he was a Villa fan?
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Agreed, if he's going to be in a shirt at all i'm just pleased he's in our shirt rather than Spuds, Chelsea, Man U etc.
Perhaps if the political party that so many on here worship hadn't made such a monumental cock up of everything over the last 5 years we'd be able to see Gordon Brown's Raith Rovers XXXXL shirt. Now there's something to really whinge about.
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Crikey, can you imagine the shit he would get on here if he supported Manure Chelsea Liverpool? He is a Villa fan as far as i am concerned and i am pleased about it.
What if Nick Griffin decided he was a Villa fan?
Then he'd probably get a similar welcome as Jack has.
Cameron on the other hand would probably get the same sort of reaction as Risso.
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you would have thought he would have had the latest shirt with his power
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Over here we have virtually full employment, anyone who wants a job can get one, in fact we don't have enough people to fill all the vacancies, the sun shines most of the year and there are magnificent golf courses all over. Because the present government wants to take more tax of the foreign owned mining companies and tax the big polluters who belch all their crap into the atmosphere they could well lose the next election in a landslide. How can they call Villa supporters fickle compared to that.
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you would have thought he would have had the latest shirt with his power
Perhaps he's not into consumerism for the sake of it. Though I have absolutely no idea about his views on consumerism. I waver between being a cynical bitch over anying any politician does or says is anything other than self promotion and the fact they might, just might be idealistic enough to believe they're changing the world for the better. If forced to get off the fence I'd go for self promotion.
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Crikey, can you imagine the shit he would get on here if he supported Manure Chelsea Liverpool? He is a Villa fan as far as i am concerned and i am pleased about it.
What if Nick Griffin decided he was a Villa fan?
I would say I dont like your politics but I admire your choice of Football Club
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Lizz
it is hard to believe in any politician villa or not especially in the current climate
maybe he was just going for a run but it is a bit like william Hague and the baseball cap
episode
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David cameron supports the the villa.if your trying to win general support around the country then you don't tell everyone you support the villa because you alienate liverpool, man utd, abu dabi city, arsenal, spurs fans and whoever else.up the villa, too many doom and gloom merchants about.he's one of us and he's nailed his colours to the mast. whether he's good at politics or not, if i was in his position, i would do the same. up the villa!
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David cameron supports the the villa.if your trying to win general support around the country then you don't tell everyone you support the villa because you alienate liverpool, man utd, abu dabi city, arsenal, spurs fans and whoever else
Really? I'm pretty sure you don't. Apart from maybe the half-dozen Small Heath fans that are registered to vote, whose support he has probably lost to UKIP.
Other than that I'm not sure the average Man Utd or Liverpool fan could really give a toss. People stopped voting for Tony Blair because he was a twat, not because of his embarrassing Newcastle Utd guff.
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well, i dont care. he runs my counrty and he,s got my teams shirt all over the world.up the villa. ;D partying like it's 1999
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thing is, whats more important, your politics or Villa. and bear in mind this is a Villa site. I'm a Tory and well lambasted on here for it. But if you dont want the prime minister of Britain to be a Villa fan then I would suggest that your politics are more important than the Villa. Now I cant stand Bliar or Brown, but if they had been promoting Villa I would have backed that too.
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The alternatitrve view may well be that he is tory scum who may well be killing any chance of prosperity for anybody other than his friends for the next twenty years so should not at all cost be linked with our team.
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thing is, whats more important, your politics or Villa. and bear in mind this is a Villa site. I'm a Tory and well lambasted on here for it. But if you dont want the prime minister of Britain to be a Villa fan then I would suggest that your politics are more important than the Villa. Now I cant stand Bliar or Brown, but if they had been promoting Villa I would have backed that too.
Alright. I'll bite.
Politics *are* much more important than football. Politicians make decisions that can make or break your life, can send you to die at war in some arse-end of a country the other side of the world, can let you die because they're not funding the medical treatment you need, can make the difference between your kids ending up as lawyers or prison inmates.
Having said that, hate the fat faced, privileged rat as I do, I coudn't give a flying one if he wants to claim he's a Villa fan. I really don't care.
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Quite agree with you dave as we are so inoffensive that we are a quite a good choice ie prince william "supporting" us.Fingers crossed we can one day be as unpalatable as Manure or chelski.
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I despise the man's politics, but as long as we number Nazis and religious nutjobs among us, I don't have a problem with him being a Villa fan.
Thank you God - but I choose to ignore you
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I despise the man's politics, but as long as we number Nazis and religious nutjobs among us, I don't have a problem with him being a Villa fan.
Thank you God - but I choose to ignore you
I think he is talking about a couple of people posting in the Roberto Carlos thread in Off Topic.
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I am a socialist living in leafy Hereford!!!!!Politics is not more important than football.I do not vote because my vote is useless between Liberal and tory,my only alternative is a vote for labour who have no chance of winning and even if they do in the very very unlikely chance are just tory lite.
Football is more important!!!
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I am a socialist living in leafy Hereford!!!!!Politics is not more important than football.I do not vote because my vote is useless between Liberal and tory,my only alternative is a vote for labour who have no chance of winning and even if they do in the very very unlikely chance are just tory lite.
Football is more important!!!
Football has little real impact on your life. Politics impacts on it every second.
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How does politics impact on my life in real terms?
Tell me the difference?
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How does politics impact on my life in real terms?
Tell me the difference?
Almost everything you do is impacted by politics, think about it and you'll see.
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How does politics impact on my life in real terms?
Tell me the difference?
Politics isn't about voting once every five years; it affects your entire life. Your job, your working environment, your children's education, your income, how much money you have at the end of the week, how often the bins get emptied, how many police there are in your area, food prices, the price of everything else, public transport, private transport, whether you feel safe to walk the streets at night. Do you seriously think all this isn't political?
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Alex mcleish becoming villa manager made a huge diiference on my life.
David Cameron becoming pm did very little.
Tony Blair is and was tory lite who made very little if any changes for the greater good and certainly sent working class children to die in pointless wars.Where does political change come from after new labour failed?
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What difference did McLeish make? Did it get you promoted at work? Did it pay your bills, earn you extra money, alter your childrens' prospects? Or did it just piss you off a bit?
As far as I'm aware there are two members of this board who can say football has that sort of impact on our lives - me and Mat Kendrick. Anyone else who thinks the same needs to get their priorities in order.
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Alex mcleish becoming villa manager made a huge diiference on my life.
David Cameron becoming pm did very little.
Really?
Pretty much every decision Cameron and his government make will affect you in some way whether you realise it or not.
McLeish becoming Villa manager should really only affect a very small part of your existence unless you have your priorities badly askew.
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Without being patronising I just cannot see the importance of politics anymore and I was and still am a politics student of sorts as all the big battles were fought and lost in the 80s.my bins are collected the same,i pay tax pretty much the same,we still are sending kids off to die and politicians are still self serving publicists who look after the people who support and vote for them.Do teachers and trade union members as a rule vote tory?rhetorically they dont so they get hammered.The disappointing thing is that new labour supported big business so if you are left wing there is no where to go.
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You're a politics student but yet you can't see how the government is more important to your life than Alex McLeish?
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How does politics impact on my life in real terms?
Tell me the difference?
It's what you are living in, rented or mortgaged.That has a value which is reflected in the rent or instalments and certainly in the local council tax. The revenue from which is distributed according to priorities which are determined by local and national government, not necessarily anywhere near you.
It's which supermarket has won the right to be the closest to you.
It's now much tax you pay in your payslip and how that is divvied up. Or how much you can expect to claim in between jobs. It's whether your pension is worth a bean.
It's whether all of your family can use a free at the point of use top quality health service. It's whether your kids have a reasonable school to go to, rather than a sink
horror.
It's whether anybody is bothered about the environment we live in and is organising the destruction of waste and the provision of clean water. It's whether there is a power company to buy heating from in the winter; or electricity anytime.
It's the provision of gritters when it snows, home helps, libraries, looking after the aged and vulnerable and yes, the parking and speeding regulators. I didn't ever say it was all good!
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So what is the political choice?i understand the finer points of political debate.What is the choice!!!!
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So what is the political choice?i understand the finer points of political debate.What is the choice!!!!
You're the fucking political student, you tell us!
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It doesn't matter whether or not you can change it, it affects you.
Actually, what massive impact did Alex McLeish have on your life?
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Villain1975 is right though In my view. Where I live If I voted for my choice and fiddled it so I had 1000 votes it wouldn't make any difference to who got in. i can have an opinion but it means about jackshit who my MP is. so my input as to who runs the country is not even 1 in about 50m. and as about half the country cant be arsed, how can what I do affect the running of the country. And being a Tory on a site where the majority appear to vote Labour, to be honest on here Villa are more important
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Was the political student.There is no vote for me personally where i live,was my point as nothing has changed in my life and I have no vote other than a tactical vote for liberal which is worth nothing or a vote for labour who as i said are tory lite.
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So what is the political choice?i understand the finer points of political debate.What is the choice!!!!
You can get involved or moan about choice. you can make things happen or moan about choice. you can sit on your arse and moan or you can do.
That's about it. really.
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Alex Mcleish being picked as manager 100% more affected my life as football is so much more important and as has been said umpteen times he is not the right choice but that aint the debate.
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Was the political student.There is no vote for me personally where i live,was my point as nothing has changed in my life and I have no vote other than a tactical vote for liberal which is worth nothing or a vote for labour who as i said are tory lite.
You had no vote in who became Villa manager either.
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No vote you are right but I am a customer and that means more in 2011 than being a voter or so i thought.
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No vote you are right but I am a customer and that means more in 2011 than being a voter or so i thought.
Nope, it just means you are handing your hard earned to a dictatorship.
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I think some overestimate the publics perception of politics in this country, we all know how it affects our lives, but so what. Most people reckon that we'll be taxed somewhere between x and y and the cost of living will be somewhere between a and b. And generally speaking we will be in a war somewhere. That will generally be the scenario. And all these important things to discuss and debate, and you know what, one episode of Corrie or Eastenders will smash all the viewing figures for the combined total for every political programme in a week.
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Amen to that one brother.Battles were fought for the greater good and lost in the 1980s so lets just enjoy and accept that RL is the same as Cameron and ride the wave.Irony is grand.goodnight.
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Villan1975: get a life. Really. ;)
'A customer means more than a voter.' Sounds like management speak to new recruits at Harrods. What's your job?
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He just says he supports the Villa but doesnt turn up ( a bit like GregNash).
You don't think that....... No it can't be, can it?
Is Greg Nash really David Cameron?
Is this the conspiracy theory to go with the racist and religious bigot thread?
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Crikey, can you imagine the shit he would get on here if he supported Manure Chelsea Liverpool? He is a Villa fan as far as i am concerned and i am pleased about it.
What if Nick Griffin decided he was a Villa fan?
At the risk of getting banned (and I respect everything you do on this site and for H&V generally) but that is a totally ridiculous comment. Cameron is the leader of a mainstream political party and our Prime Minister, his party won the most votes (what was it 11 million?) and his government represents 60% of the votes won at the last election. You really think he's the same as that scum Griffin who represents a bunch of racist scum?
You make my point about 'bitter socialists' perfectly. You dont agree with him, fair enough, but comparing him to someone who is a racist isn't on.
I'm quite proud the Prime Minister, the future King, the Governor of the Bank of England and Hollywoods' most succesful actor all support our team. And I had great pleasure in telling the smug Spurs-supporting prick who does guided tours of Wembley as such last year. The best he could offer was Bruce Forsyth and Jude Law.
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At the risk of getting banned (and I respect everything you do on this site and for H&V generally) but that is a totally ridiculous comment. Cameron is the leader of a mainstream political party and our Prime Minister, his party won the most votes (what was it 11 million?) and his government represents 60% of the votes won at the last election. You really think he's the same as that scum Griffin who represents a bunch of racist scum?
Why would saying that get you banned?
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That lump Sir Digby Jones is a Villa fan. Talks "common sense", pity it is always about some poor buggers losing their job/pension/employment rights etc so theat industry can flourish.
Git.
Vile fat waste of skin.
He once had the sheer nerve to moan about workers 'wanting too much of the cake' when that fat bastard single handedly got Firkins out of administration with his constant pastry chomping.
He's another one of these
'English workers lazy, unions evil, too much holiday entitlement for the English' lot.
I wish he'd disappear up his amply fat arse, the fucking piece of shit that he is.
At least Cameron displays some degree of humanity with his admiration of the NHS, Digby Jones just sees us as ungrateful parasites trying to get a bite of his Greggs pasty.
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I'm not sure about the Nick Griffin comparison either, unless i'm missing Dave's point.
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One of the downsides of selling shirts to the general public is anyone can buy one but i still think Villa should consider legal action for damage to our brand name.
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I think some overestimate the publics perception of politics in this country, we all know how it affects our lives, but so what. Most people reckon that we'll be taxed somewhere between x and y and the cost of living will be somewhere between a and b. And generally speaking we will be in a war somewhere. That will generally be the scenario. And all these important things to discuss and debate, and you know what, one episode of Corrie or Eastenders will smash all the viewing figures for the combined total for every political programme in a week.
Well said sir.
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Over the years I've come into contact many Villa-supporting people with, what I consider, to be quite repulsive views on all manner of subjects. I have, though, found I can forget these for the duration of sharing our common interest.
If I was stuck on a train with Nick Griffin, it would actually be quite a relief if I knew that I could limit any conversation to the midfield line up for the coming season, the conspiracy theories behind MON's resignation and whether the team of 80-82 would have triumphed in Rotterdam had Doug been chairman.
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I think some overestimate the publics perception of politics in this country, we all know how it affects our lives, but so what. Most people reckon that we'll be taxed somewhere between x and y and the cost of living will be somewhere between a and b. And generally speaking we will be in a war somewhere. That will generally be the scenario. And all these important things to discuss and debate, and you know what, one episode of Corrie or Eastenders will smash all the viewing figures for the combined total for every political programme in a week.
Well said sir.
The root of the problem is that most people (and include myself in that) don't fully understand the minutia of economic theory or the global politics that over-arch everything else. Consequently it becomes easy for some to spout the "all politics is shit" refrain, which ignores the fact that every aspect of their life is governed by it. The very soap operas you cite, for example, are only broadcast because of a whole raft of political decisions.
It is also a mind-set that gives people the excuse they need not to get involved in any aspect of the democratic process, including the aspects where they can have a direct and immediate influence on their own community. We are currently seeking a new Parent Governor for the school's Governing Body. I know from the school gate moaning that there are plenty who think they can run the school single-handedly. I think though you can make an accurate guess as to how many nominations we've so far had to fill the position.
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I think some overestimate the publics perception of politics in this country, we all know how it affects our lives, but so what. Most people reckon that we'll be taxed somewhere between x and y and the cost of living will be somewhere between a and b. And generally speaking we will be in a war somewhere. That will generally be the scenario. And all these important things to discuss and debate, and you know what, one episode of Corrie or Eastenders will smash all the viewing figures for the combined total for every political programme in a week.
Well said sir.
The root of the problem is that most people (and include myself in that) don't fully understand the minutia of economic theory or the global politics that over-arch everything else.
That, or people like you, are not the problem. You are quite clearly bright enough to know what you don't know. The problems stem from the other 90% who know everything.
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Disliked as he is on here , can anyone think a Prime Minister has enough time to follow Villa like we do ?
I am just proud that he follows Villa alongside others who get the same treatment like Prince William.
Well done DC.
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As ever, time to point out this is the same David Cameron who always said he wasn't a Villa supporter.
Would that be the same David Cameron I saw on tv telling the world and Adrian chiles he is a villa fan and William dugdale took him there in his younger days- sir William being a close relative of the young Cameron.
If it was Tony Blair 5 years ago it would have been on the front cover of H & V, you should know how it is here by now. No Tories allowed !
Absolutely mate.....
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I think if Blair was a Villa fan and had made the same sort of "I saw Wor' Jackie play" bollocks about, let's say Johnny Dixon, he'd received well-deserved ridicule.
Gordon Brown, on the other hand, is a genuine sports fan, had a serious eye injury as result of playing sport, and knows his stuff about Raith Rovers. I could easily imagine that were he a Villa fan, the student protests of 1968 would have been abandoned in favour of fighting the cause that actually resulted in an overthrowing of the old order.
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This still a conversation about the Prime Minister in a Villa top? His politics and how it affects us is a big deal. His wearing a Villa top or showing he follows us isn't in the grand scheme of things.
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I see sides forming here ( a brick wall does,nt have to fall on me ! ) , it all started out a bit one sided but slowly the 'Right minded ' are making themselves heard above the cacophany of abuse being hurled by the as ever , 'fair minded' (?) Left . Hurled at a man who cannot defend himself on these pages and who,s Cardinal sin apppears to be , apart from his birth origins, upbringing , Education and his politics (75% of which he had no choice in that all ) ,his audacity to wear the Colours of one of the most Famous Football Clubs in the World while out jogging . A Club with whom he has Familial affiliations and has mentioned fondly in various Press interviews .
So....... all those brave souls , and you know who you are , who put their heads above the parapet and dared to voice (imho ) contrary opinions of a more sober and well reasoned nature , I salute you , I,m with you guys , man the barricades , the Barbarians are at the gate ! ...............Godzvilla!
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He was probably wearing it because Sam hadn't done the washing and it was just the first thing to hand from the pile of seldom worn clothes in the bottom of the wardrobe?
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With all due apologies to Johnny Marr, David Cameron, stop saying that you like Aston Villa, no you don't. I forbid you to like it.
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He's the Prime Minister, he's a Villa fan and he's wearing the shirt. He'll do for me.
Tell you what - if it was a West Ham/Spurs/Chelsea/Arse shirt, Fleet Street would have the biggest collective hard on ever.
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As ever, time to point out this is the same David Cameron who always said he wasn't a Villa supporter.
Would that be the same David Cameron I saw on tv telling the world and Adrian chiles he is a villa fan and William dugdale took him there in his younger days- sir William being a close relative of the young Cameron.
If it was Tony Blair 5 years ago it would have been on the front cover of H & V, you should know how it is here by now. No Tories allowed !
Absolutely mate.....
Long may it continue.
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So hes a Villa fan , good on him ...
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If it was Tony Blair 5 years ago it would have been on the front cover of H & V, you should know how it is here by now. No Tories allowed !
Absolutely mate.....
How come you are both still on here and allowed to state your point of view then?
Along with the arch-Tory Risso.
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If it was Tony Blair 5 years ago it would have been on the front cover of H & V, you should know how it is here by now. No Tories allowed !
Absolutely mate.....
How come you are both still on here and allowed to state your point of view then?
Along with the arch-Tory Risso.
Maybe 'no Tories allowed' is a bit OTT - maybe 'no Tories allowed without it being held against them' !
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Maybe 'no Tories allowed' is a bit OTT - maybe 'no Tories allowed without it being held against them' !
No, it's Tories absolutely allowed but they need to be able to hold their end of the argument up. Whinging because you think that everyone is against you because you are a Tory shows that you obviously can't manage that.
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"Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me!"
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One more shirt sold, one more pic of it in the papers. I can take Cameron wearing it. It's not as if he's a serial killer.
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One more shirt sold, one more pic of it in the papers. I can take Cameron wearing it. It's not as if he's a serial killer.
No, he is just waging class war on behalf of the class he represents. Just as Not So New Labour would if they were in power. Fuck them all.
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As soon as I saw the story it was pretty obvious the anti-tory comments would soon follow.
I do wonder who somepeople would think is worthy to be a Villa fan.
Perhaps the lefties would be happy to see comrad Stalin in claret and blue
Can't you just be happy to see the Villa getting some much needed PR
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/pandora/the-shocking-truth-blair-did-not-lie-about-jackie-milburn-495001.html
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If it was Tony Blair 5 years ago it would have been on the front cover of H & V, you should know how it is here by now. No Tories allowed !
Absolutely mate.....
How come you are both still on here and allowed to state your point of view then?
Along with the arch-Tory Risso.
Don't think I've ever stated a point of view politically on here. I was making a a tongue in cheek comment on my perception of DW's politics.Which he refuted. No worries.
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He's somewhat left of centre.
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Don't think I've ever stated a point of view politically on here. I was making a a tongue in cheek comment on my perception of DW's politics.Which he refuted. No worries.
Fair one, apologies.
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Wonder when he last went to VP?
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As soon as I saw the story it was pretty obvious the anti-tory comments would soon follow.
I do wonder who somepeople would think is worthy to be a Villa fan.
Perhaps the lefties would be happy to see comrad Stalin in claret and blue
Can't you just be happy to see the Villa getting some much needed PR
I seem to recall former Home Secretary and Villa season ticket holder who actually attended matches, Jacqui Smith, getting plenty of abuse from right wing elements on this board. Not that it was nor deserved: just pointing it out in the interests of fairness.
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As soon as I saw the story it was pretty obvious the anti-tory comments would soon follow.
I do wonder who somepeople would think is worthy to be a Villa fan.
Perhaps the lefties would be happy to see comrad Stalin in claret and blue
Can't you just be happy to see the Villa getting some much needed PR
Exactly. The PM and future King are Villa 'fans', regardless of political persuasion or loyalty to the monarchy, it's good to see.
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I think with Villa's history and connections we are THE best-placed club in the land to become the football club of the establishment
Royal Aston Villa anyone ?
Pimms O'Clock fnar fnar !!!
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As soon as I saw the story it was pretty obvious the anti-tory comments would soon follow.
I do wonder who somepeople would think is worthy to be a Villa fan.
Perhaps the lefties would be happy to see comrad Stalin in claret and blue
Can't you just be happy to see the Villa getting some much needed PR
Exactly. The PM and future King are Villa 'fans', regardless of political persuasion or loyalty to the monarchy, it's good to see.
In your opinion. Others clearly disagree, hence the hoo-hah
And, speaking as a labour party member and republican, I can honestly say I don't have an opinion either way about either of them supporting Villa.
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As soon as I saw the story it was pretty obvious the anti-tory comments would soon follow.
I do wonder who somepeople would think is worthy to be a Villa fan.
Perhaps the lefties would be happy to see comrad Stalin in claret and blue
Can't you just be happy to see the Villa getting some much needed PR
This is Heroes & Villains remember. Left of left.
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If it was Tony Blair 5 years ago it would have been on the front cover of H & V, you should know how it is here by now. No Tories allowed !
Absolutely mate.....
How come you are both still on here and allowed to state your point of view then?
Along with the arch-Tory Risso.
Don't think I've ever stated a point of view politically on here. I was making a a tongue in cheek comment on my perception of DW's politics.Which he refuted. No worries.
"arch-Tory" - anybody on H&V more right wing than Dave Cooper.
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This is Heroes & Villains remember. Left of left.
You could have fooled me, there are plenty of Tories on this site.
More than Labour supporters, for sure.
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The silent majority?
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If it was Tony Blair 5 years ago it would have been on the front cover of H & V, you should know how it is here by now. No Tories allowed !
Absolutely mate.....
How come you are both still on here and allowed to state your point of view then?
Along with the arch-Tory Risso.
Don't think I've ever stated a point of view politically on here. I was making a a tongue in cheek comment on my perception of DW's politics.Which he refuted. No worries.
"arch-Tory" - anybody on H&V more right wing than Dave Cooper.
You didn’t vote for them last time around so you cannot be that much of an arch-Tory.
You do speak a hell of a lot of sense when it comes to financial matters given your expertise, but I have to say, none of it strikes much accordance with the Liberal Democrats and certainly not the Labour party.
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This is Heroes & Villains remember. Left of left.
You could have fooled me, there are plenty of Tories on this site.
More than Labour supporters, for sure.
I don’t know about that, but I think the perception comes from a coincidence between the most frequent posters also being a group of moaning old Trots, so we get the impression that the site’s almost entirely left leaning.
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I seem to recall former Home Secretary and Villa season ticket holder who actually attended matches, Jacqui Smith, getting plenty of abuse from right wing elements on this board. Not that it was nor deserved: just pointing it out in the interests of fairness.
This piece by Guardian columnist Marcel Berlins, which has been quoted on this forum before, describes the dilemma of accepting as a fellow Villa fan someone whose politics you totally reject:
I don't know how I've missed it, but I've only just caught up with the fact that the home secretary, Jacqui Smith, is a lifelong, season-ticket holding supporter of Aston Villa ("The best team in the world" - Prince William). I do not know how to cope with this news. I had a small crisis when David Cameron was outed as a Villa man, but that soon passed; he was not actively objectionable enough.
Smith is different. I have taken issue with just about everything she has done or said as home secretary, not least her fervent support for all sorts of illiberal measures eroding our civil liberties. How can I have something as defining as a football team in common with her? If you are misguided enough to cheer for Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal and the like, with their hundreds of famous supporters, the problem doesn't arise. I do not expect you to scrutinise the list of celebs in search of Pol Pot, Idi Amin or Sir Fred Goodwin, fellow fans so objectionable as to make you question your own allegiance. It's different with Villa. We can boast of only a few national or international figures (ie known outside Birmingham) and it upsets us if they are people we may have reservations about. So far, I've either greatly admired my fellow Villa enthusiasts (Nigel Kennedy, the thriller writer Lee Child, and Benjamin Zephaniah, one poignant line of whose poetry reads: "And I chant, Aston Villa, Aston Villa, Aston Villa"); respected them (Sir Mervyn King, governor of the Bank of England, whom I do not blame for our present financial difficulties); regarded them with mild approval, mixed with puzzlement as to their reasons for being attached to Villa (Tom Hanks, Amy Winehouse); or treated them with a degree of suspicion, though not hostility (Prince William, Ozzy Osbourne, Lord "Digby" Jones). That leaves me with Jacqui Smith.
The disconcerting aspect is that football-wise, as distinct from politics-wise, she demonstrates some pleasant attitudes - she doesn't sit in the directors' box at Villa Park, nor does she know or meet any of the players. She seemed, in one football-oriented interview I read, almost sympathetic, a Jacqui Jekyll to the home secretary's Jacqui Hyde. She has now become difficult for me to dislike. After all, I tried to reassure myself, no Aston Villa fan can be that bad. I did not enjoy reaching that conclusion.
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"arch-Tory" - anybody on H&V more right wing than Dave Cooper.
Too right comrade and you'll be first against the wall come the glorious revolution.
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Personally i woudn't vote for any of the parties. they're all corrupt and/or incompetant. Still, out of the three i can't imagine anyone seeing an inbred, borderline retard chinless wonder like Cameron and thinking "hmmm, he'd make a good leader........." As the saying goes your get the government you deserve and while fuckwits still have the right to vote we will continue getting crap goverments like the last 40 years
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"arch-Tory" - anybody on H&V more right wing than Dave Cooper.
Too right comrade and you'll be first against the wall come the glorious revolution.
You'll have to infiltrate my impregnable offshore millionaire's mansion first. I'll order my subordinates to shoot on sight.
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I thought this was a thread about someone wearing a Villa shirt.?
Bugger his politics, like it or not, if that photo has gone around the world, then he's done more in that one picture to raise the profile of the club than any of us could ever hope to.
And let's face it given the choice of having Cameron wearing the shirt in the press or an alleged money launderer who's photo also appeared this week, I know which one I'd choose to have supporting my club.
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Why would a photo of a slightly tubby man out jogging 'go round the world'?
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Personally i woudn't vote for any of the parties. they're all corrupt and/or incompetant. Still, out of the three i can't imagine anyone seeing an inbred, borderline retard chinless wonder like Cameron and thinking "hmmm, he'd make a good leader........." As the saying goes your get the government you deserve and while fuckwits still have the right to vote we will continue getting crap goverments like the last 40 years
Genuine question Greg, based on your above comment. Do you believe voting should be restricted to people of a certain level of intelligence? I'm trying to work who you class as fuckwits.
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Personally i woudn't vote for any of the parties. they're all corrupt and/or incompetant. Still, out of the three i can't imagine anyone seeing an inbred, borderline retard chinless wonder like Cameron and thinking "hmmm, he'd make a good leader........." As the saying goes your get the government you deserve and while fuckwits still have the right to vote we will continue getting crap goverments like the last 40 years
Genuine question Greg, based on your above comment. Do you believe voting should be restricted to people of a certain level of intelligence? I'm trying to work who you class as fuckwits.
Well we all know there is a certain parts of the electorate who will vote labour/conservative/Libs whoever the leader is. They could elect a cuddly toy as leader and they would still get hundreds of thousands voting for them. I used to vote when i was younger and naive but i see very little difference between any of them now and really looking at "Call me Dave" Cameron, Milliband who seems to have difficulty speaking coherently and of course Nick "sell out my principles for a bit of power" Cleg, i find it hard to believe anyone with any sense would vote for them. I abstain because at least you're not actively damaging your own country.
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So you don't vote but you don't want anyone else to vote in case they elect someone you don't like?
Basically you want a dictatorship as long as the dictator has your approval.
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This is Heroes & Villains remember. Left of left.
You could have fooled me, there are plenty of Tories on this site.
More than Labour supporters, for sure.
I don’t know about that, but I think the perception comes from a coincidence between the most frequent posters also being a group of moaning old Trots, so we get the impression that the site’s almost entirely left leaning.
Says the man with six thousand posts.
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So you don't vote but you don't want anyone else to vote in case they elect someone you don't like?
Basically you want a dictatorship as long as the dictator has your approval.
i'm saying the choices are so bad that its not worth picking between them. Who would you vote for as Villa manager if Lerner gave us an options of Gary Pendry, Billy Mcneil and Barry Fry? I would suggest a sensible person would view the choices as so bad it really doesn't matter
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So you don't vote but you don't want anyone else to vote in case they elect someone you don't like?
Basically you want a dictatorship as long as the dictator has your approval.
i'm saying the choices are so bad that its not worth picking between them. Who would you vote for as Villa manager if Lerner gave us an options of Gary Pendry, Billy Mcneil and Barry Fry? I would suggest a sensible person would view the choices as so bad it really doesn't matter
You joke, but given the increasing lack of inspiration and downscaling of ambition show in our recent managerial appointments, those three will be the front runners when we come to sack McLeish.
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heh. true. More worrying is if AM was added to those names in a vote he probably wouldn't have won.....
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Personally i woudn't vote for any of the parties. they're all corrupt and/or incompetant. Still, out of the three i can't imagine anyone seeing an inbred, borderline retard chinless wonder like Cameron and thinking "hmmm, he'd make a good leader........." As the saying goes your get the government you deserve and while fuckwits still have the right to vote we will continue getting crap goverments like the last 40 years
Genuine question Greg, based on your above comment. Do you believe voting should be restricted to people of a certain level of intelligence? I'm trying to work who you class as fuckwits.
Well we all know there is a certain parts of the electorate who will vote labour/conservative/Libs whoever the leader is. They could elect a cuddly toy as leader and they would still get hundreds of thousands voting for them. I used to vote when i was younger and naive but i see very little difference between any of them now and really looking at "Call me Dave" Cameron, Milliband who seems to have difficulty speaking coherently and of course Nick "sell out my principles for a bit of power" Cleg, i find it hard to believe anyone with any sense would vote for them. I abstain because at least you're not actively damaging your own country.
Can't be arsed to go to the Villa, a trip to the polling station is too much trouble. Do you actually do anything other than whinge?
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Personally i woudn't vote for any of the parties. they're all corrupt and/or incompetant. Still, out of the three i can't imagine anyone seeing an inbred, borderline retard chinless wonder like Cameron and thinking "hmmm, he'd make a good leader........." As the saying goes your get the government you deserve and while fuckwits still have the right to vote we will continue getting crap goverments like the last 40 years
Genuine question Greg, based on your above comment. Do you believe voting should be restricted to people of a certain level of intelligence? I'm trying to work who you class as fuckwits.
Well we all know there is a certain parts of the electorate who will vote labour/conservative/Libs whoever the leader is. They could elect a cuddly toy as leader and they would still get hundreds of thousands voting for them. I used to vote when i was younger and naive but i see very little difference between any of them now and really looking at "Call me Dave" Cameron, Milliband who seems to have difficulty speaking coherently and of course Nick "sell out my principles for a bit of power" Cleg, i find it hard to believe anyone with any sense would vote for them. I abstain because at least you're not actively damaging your own country.
Going by your comments, Greg, it seems that there could have been leaders before 1970 or so whom you rate. I know they didn't go out jogging back then, but staying with the spirit of the thread - who would have been ok being photographed in a Villa shirt? No only Prime ministers, let's open it up! I'm going for Harold Wilson, Foreign Secretary David Owen (pre Limehouse) and Barbara Castle!
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greg, how exactly are you making a difference? A lot of people who complain about the world today might have valid points, but most of then don't do a damn thing about it. Yes, there are fuckwits that have a right to vote, but there are good people that don't vote, and fuckwits that complain all day about the current system and never stand up to make a difference. What are you doing about it?
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Although David Owen might be a bit late - I think he's early-mid 70's.
Think I'll go with Elvis!
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greg, how exactly are you making a difference? A lot of people who complain about the world today might have valid points, but most of then don't do a damn thing about it. Yes, there are fuckwits that have a right to vote, but there are good people that don't vote, and fuckwits that complain all day about the current system and never stand up to make a difference. What are you doing about it?
Greggers, like your typical internet warrior, is making a difference in his own mind, and that's all that counts to the likes of Gregnash.
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Just as I would have been physically sick at the image (or thought) of Margaret Thatcher in a Villa shirt I'm as equally disturbed by a self confessed "child of Thatcher" in one. It's all part of his (he's just a normal guy) act - as staged as that video blog from his home. He's a dangerous tosser that is lining the pockets of his rich school chums, whilst his policies will have a long lasting negative effect on the vast majority of people. He's one of the last people I want to see in a Villa shirt coming just behind Harold Shipman.
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greg, how exactly are you making a difference? A lot of people who complain about the world today might have valid points, but most of then don't do a damn thing about it. Yes, there are fuckwits that have a right to vote, but there are good people that don't vote, and fuckwits that complain all day about the current system and never stand up to make a difference. What are you doing about it?
what exactly do you suggest i do? Really.... I don't believe in the current system so i don't participate in it. If there was a decent party to vote for i would but there isn't. As they say, if you don't vote you can't complain. Equally you can't be blamed for it either
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Personally i woudn't vote for any of the parties. they're all corrupt and/or incompetant. Still, out of the three i can't imagine anyone seeing an inbred, borderline retard chinless wonder like Cameron and thinking "hmmm, he'd make a good leader........." As the saying goes your get the government you deserve and while fuckwits still have the right to vote we will continue getting crap goverments like the last 40 years
Genuine question Greg, based on your above comment. Do you believe voting should be restricted to people of a certain level of intelligence? I'm trying to work who you class as fuckwits.
Well we all know there is a certain parts of the electorate who will vote labour/conservative/Libs whoever the leader is. They could elect a cuddly toy as leader and they would still get hundreds of thousands voting for them. I used to vote when i was younger and naive but i see very little difference between any of them now and really looking at "Call me Dave" Cameron, Milliband who seems to have difficulty speaking coherently and of course Nick "sell out my principles for a bit of power" Cleg, i find it hard to believe anyone with any sense would vote for them. I abstain because at least you're not actively damaging your own country.
Going by your comments, Greg, it seems that there could have been leaders before 1970 or so whom you rate. I know they didn't go out jogging back then, but staying with the spirit of the thread - who would have been ok being photographed in a Villa shirt? No only Prime ministers, let's open it up! I'm going for Harold Wilson, Foreign Secretary David Owen (pre Limehouse) and Barbara Castle!
I can only comment on governments i can remember really.. I'm sure the likes of Harold Wilson, Macmillan and co were just as useless
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What I want to know was who was the guy in the Villa top standing next to Prince William in Quebec City? With all the pomp and ceremony of the royal visit, it was good to see one very smartly dressed man.
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greg, how exactly are you making a difference? A lot of people who complain about the world today might have valid points, but most of then don't do a damn thing about it. Yes, there are fuckwits that have a right to vote, but there are good people that don't vote, and fuckwits that complain all day about the current system and never stand up to make a difference. What are you doing about it?
what exactly do you suggest i do? Really.... I don't believe in the current system so i don't participate in it. If there was a decent party to vote for i would but there isn't. As they say, if you don't vote you can't complain. Equally you can't be blamed for it either
Much how I feel as politics has shifted to the middle ground it has become bland and mainly about window dressing.
Millions and millions of people agree as voting figures reduce with every election.
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Personally i woudn't vote for any of the parties. they're all corrupt and/or incompetant. Still, out of the three i can't imagine anyone seeing an inbred, borderline retard chinless wonder like Cameron and thinking "hmmm, he'd make a good leader........." As the saying goes your get the government you deserve and while fuckwits still have the right to vote we will continue getting crap goverments like the last 40 years
Genuine question Greg, based on your above comment. Do you believe voting should be restricted to people of a certain level of intelligence? I'm trying to work who you class as fuckwits.
Well we all know there is a certain parts of the electorate who will vote labour/conservative/Libs whoever the leader is. They could elect a cuddly toy as leader and they would still get hundreds of thousands voting for them. I used to vote when i was younger and naive but i see very little difference between any of them now and really looking at "Call me Dave" Cameron, Milliband who seems to have difficulty speaking coherently and of course Nick "sell out my principles for a bit of power" Cleg, i find it hard to believe anyone with any sense would vote for them. I abstain because at least you're not actively damaging your own country.
Going by your comments, Greg, it seems that there could have been leaders before 1970 or so whom you rate. I know they didn't go out jogging back then, but staying with the spirit of the thread - who would have been ok being photographed in a Villa shirt? No only Prime ministers, let's open it up! I'm going for Harold Wilson, Foreign Secretary David Owen (pre Limehouse) and Barbara Castle!
I can only comment on governments i can remember really.. I'm sure the likes of Harold Wilson, Macmillan and co were just as useless
Do you just sit at home, in your bedroom, rocking back and forth covered with a blanket murmuring "Its all shite!" at literally everything you experience in the world ?
You sir are a nilhist.
Ashes to ashes, funk to funky
We know that Greg Nash's a junkie
Strung out in heaven's high
Hitting an all-time low
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Just as I would have been physically sick at the image (or thought) of Margaret Thatcher in a Villa shirt I'm as equally disturbed by a self confessed "child of Thatcher" in one. It's all part of his (he's just a normal guy) act - as staged as that video blog from his home. He's a dangerous tosser that is lining the pockets of his rich school chums, whilst his policies will have a long lasting negative effect on the vast majority of people. He's one of the last people I want to see in a Villa shirt coming just behind Harold Shipman.
Would you have the same objections if he played a game of keepy-uppies with McLeish or claimed he used to spend most weekends on the Holte cheering on Tony Daley ? Or would that be ok, and just what a 'normal guy' who went to public school would do ?
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Just as I would have been physically sick at the image (or thought) of Margaret Thatcher in a Villa shirt I'm as equally disturbed by a self confessed "child of Thatcher" in one. It's all part of his (he's just a normal guy) act - as staged as that video blog from his home. He's a dangerous tosser that is lining the pockets of his rich school chums, whilst his policies will have a long lasting negative effect on the vast majority of people. He's one of the last people I want to see in a Villa shirt coming just behind Harold Shipman.
Would you have the same objections if he played a game of keepy-uppies with McLeish or claimed he used to spend most weekends on the Holte cheering on Tony Daley ? Or would that be ok, and just what a 'normal guy' who went to public school would do ?
I would have exactly the same objection if he played a game of keepy-uppies with any of our past or future managers as I object to him using the club for his own PR purposes.
It would be interesting to hear him speak more about his alleged support - if he has spent every other weekend in the directors box cheering on Tony Daley, Tony Morley or even Tony Dorigo at least it would add some validity to his "I'm a Villa fan story". As his job is basically spin and lies I know he does have a "story" to hand, how true that "story" is, I fear is an entirely different matter.
Just to recap, he has to do the "I'm just a normal bloke" who just happened to go to Public School, to play down The Bullingdon Club "Cameron's Cronies" photo
http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/the-bullingdon-club/
Interestingly the photo is now banned in the national media
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6409757.stm
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This is Heroes & Villains remember. Left of left.
You could have fooled me, there are plenty of Tories on this site.
More than Labour supporters, for sure.
I don’t know about that, but I think the perception comes from a coincidence between the most frequent posters also being a group of moaning old Trots, so we get the impression that the site’s almost entirely left leaning.
Says the man with six thousand posts.
Which clearly means I spend too much time on here on the firm's dime, but Mr Feltcher is rocking three times my number!
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As soon as I saw the story it was pretty obvious the anti-tory comments would soon follow.
I do wonder who somepeople would think is worthy to be a Villa fan.
Perhaps the lefties would be happy to see comrad Stalin in claret and blue
Can't you just be happy to see the Villa getting some much needed PR
This is Heroes & Villains remember. Left of left.
When you haven't got a clue about something it's best to keep quiet in the subject.
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This is Heroes & Villains remember. Left of left.
You could have fooled me, there are plenty of Tories on this site.
More than Labour supporters, for sure.
I don’t know about that, but I think the perception comes from a coincidence between the most frequent posters also being a group of moaning old Trots, so we get the impression that the site’s almost entirely left leaning.
Says the man with six thousand posts.
Which clearly means I spend too much time on here on the firm's dime, but Mr Feltcher is rocking three times my number!
Yes, but I don't work and haven't for the last 12 months.
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Cameron may or may not be a decent enough bloke on a personal level and he may or may not be a genuine Villa supporter but because he is the leader of a party that stands for virtually everything I loathe in society and politics, every time I see a picture of him in a Villa shirt I cringe.
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Cameron may or may not be a decent enough bloke on a personal level and he may or may not be a genuine Villa supporter but because he is the leader of a party that stands for virtually everything I loathe in society and politics, every time I see a picture of him in a Villa shirt I cringe.
Summed up perfectly.
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Cameron may or may not be a decent enough bloke on a personal level and he may or may not be a genuine Villa supporter but because he is the leader of a party that stands for virtually everything I loathe in society and politics, every time I see a picture of him in a Villa shirt I cringe.
Summed up perfectly.
in truth I thought that about Labour by the end of Blair/Brown. It's not the same Labour as it was when I lived there where you felt they understood the working masses.
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Cameron may or may not be a decent enough bloke on a personal level and he may or may not be a genuine Villa supporter but because he is the leader of a party that stands for virtually everything I loathe in society and politics, every time I see a picture of him in a Villa shirt I cringe.
Summed up perfectly.
in truth I thought that about Labour by the end of Blair/Brown. It's not the same Labour as it was when I lived there where you felt they understood the working masses.
Understood the working masses?
Your having a laugh!
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Did anyone see that bloke meeting Prince William in canada wearing a Villa shirt with Dunne on the back? Think it was on yesterday morning
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Cameron may or may not be a decent enough bloke on a personal level and he may or may not be a genuine Villa supporter but because he is the leader of a party that stands for virtually everything I loathe in society and politics, every time I see a picture of him in a Villa shirt I cringe.
Summed up perfectly.
in truth I thought that about Labour by the end of Blair/Brown. It's not the same Labour as it was when I lived there where you felt they understood the working masses.
Understood the working masses?
Your having a laugh!
Historically, they had a much closer link to the blue collar than the Conservatives ever did. Certainly, more so in the 70's and 80's when I was growing up. Are you claiming they never had such association?
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Cameron may or may not be a decent enough bloke on a personal level and he may or may not be a genuine Villa supporter but because he is the leader of a party that stands for virtually everything I loathe in society and politics, every time I see a picture of him in a Villa shirt I cringe.
Summed up perfectly.
in truth I thought that about Labour by the end of Blair/Brown. It's not the same Labour as it was when I lived there where you felt they understood the working masses.
I'd have wanted to vomit if Blair, Brown or Milliband wore the shirt.
I hate the thought of any politician wearing our colours.
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Cameron may or may not be a decent enough bloke on a personal level and he may or may not be a genuine Villa supporter but because he is the leader of a party that stands for virtually everything I loathe in society and politics, every time I see a picture of him in a Villa shirt I cringe.
Summed up perfectly.
in truth I thought that about Labour by the end of Blair/Brown. It's not the same Labour as it was when I lived there where you felt they understood the working masses.
I'd have wanted to vomit if Blair, Brown or Milliband wore the shirt.
I hate the thought of any politician wearing our colours.
they are regular people though as well. You can hate them for their politics, but it doesn't mean that aren't allowed to have the same passions as anyone else. I have no idea how much of a Villa fan Cameron is, and quite frankly I don't care. If he wants to wear a Villa PJ set to bed, it's his business as much as he should be allowed to go out for a run wearing what he wants without someone taking a picture and having it blasted all over the internet.
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Come on Toronto, he's a PR man, everything is a photo opportunity for him.
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Did anyone see that bloke meeting Prince William in canada wearing a Villa shirt with Dunne on the back? Think it was on yesterday morning
Maybe that was Dunne. Hopefully on the first lap of a pre-season run.
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Come on Toronto, he's a PR man, everything is a photo opportunity for him.
honestly Chris? What's he got to gain from wearing a Villa top? Do you really think anyone outside of Villa fans, and some noses give a shit? That photo has been totally and utterly forgotten by the entire world except for a few of us internet warriors still discussing it. That photo likely didn't make the news at any level, anywhere.
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honestly Chris? What's he got to gain from wearing a Villa top?
Man of the people and all that.
"Look at me, I love footy, and I don't just like Manchester and Arsenal, I like little old Aston Villa, aren't I great and just like a normal person?"
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honestly Chris? What's he got to gain from wearing a Villa top?
Man of the people and all that.
"Look at me, I love footy, and I don't just like Manchester and Arsenal, I like little old Aston Villa, aren't I great and just like a normal person?"
again, I think we're looking deeper into that we need to. If he really wanted to be a man of the people Dave he'd have a Tamworth top on ;)
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honestly Chris? What's he got to gain from wearing a Villa top?
Man of the people and all that.
"Look at me, I love footy, and I don't just like Manchester and Arsenal, I like little old Aston Villa, aren't I great and just like a normal person?"
again, I think we're looking deeper into that we need to. If he really wanted to be a man of the people Dave he'd have a Tamworth top on ;)
He'd just get taken for a homeless tramp in one of them.
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Cameron may or may not be a decent enough bloke on a personal level and he may or may not be a genuine Villa supporter but because he is the leader of a party that stands for virtually everything I loathe in society and politics, every time I see a picture of him in a Villa shirt I cringe.
Summed up perfectly.
in truth I thought that about Labour by the end of Blair/Brown. It's not the same Labour as it was when I lived there where you felt they understood the working masses.
I'd have wanted to vomit if Blair, Brown or Milliband wore the shirt.
I hate the thought of any politician wearing our colours.
they are regular people though as well. You can hate them for their politics, but it doesn't mean that aren't allowed to have the same passions as anyone else. I have no idea how much of a Villa fan Cameron is, and quite frankly I don't care. If he wants to wear a Villa PJ set to bed, it's his business as much as he should be allowed to go out for a run wearing what he wants without someone taking a picture and having it blasted all over the internet.
At the risk of repeating myself
He has an a very good reason to do the "I'm just a normal bloke" who just happened to go to Public School, to play down The Bullingdon Club "Cameron's Cronies" photo
http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/the-bullingdon-club/
It might of course just be a coincidence that the photo is now banned in the national media
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6409757.stm
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honestly Chris? What's he got to gain from wearing a Villa top?
Man of the people and all that.
"Look at me, I love footy, and I don't just like Manchester and Arsenal, I like little old Aston Villa, aren't I great and just like a normal person?"
again, I think we're looking deeper into that we need to. If he really wanted to be a man of the people Dave he'd have a Tamworth top on ;)
He'd just get taken for a homeless tramp in one of them.
He wouldn't be the first.
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Cameron may or may not be a decent enough bloke on a personal level and he may or may not be a genuine Villa supporter but because he is the leader of a party that stands for virtually everything I loathe in society and politics, every time I see a picture of him in a Villa shirt I cringe.
Summed up perfectly.
in truth I thought that about Labour by the end of Blair/Brown. It's not the same Labour as it was when I lived there where you felt they understood the working masses.
I'd have wanted to vomit if Blair, Brown or Milliband wore the shirt.
I hate the thought of any politician wearing our colours.
they are regular people though as well. You can hate them for their politics, but it doesn't mean that aren't allowed to have the same passions as anyone else. I have no idea how much of a Villa fan Cameron is, and quite frankly I don't care. If he wants to wear a Villa PJ set to bed, it's his business as much as he should be allowed to go out for a run wearing what he wants without someone taking a picture and having it blasted all over the internet.
At the risk of repeating myself
He has an a very good reason to do the "I'm just a normal bloke" who just happened to go to Public School, to play down The Bullingdon Club "Cameron's Cronies" photo
http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/the-bullingdon-club/
It might of course just be a coincidence that the photo is now banned in the national media
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6409757.stm
Boris too !
What I don't agree with is chastising a bloke for being born into a family hence having no choice as to how he would develop.
In other words, he can't help being born into wealth nor being able to receive privileges not afforded to us.
UTV I say !!
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I wish I had have been born into wealth.
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Without the help of the working man (and more recently the Lib Dems), the Conservatives wouldn't have a hope in hell of being elected. Working class Conservatism (whether in your view that is aspirational or merely delusional) has been an important factor in post-war politics.
Incidentally, wonder if Cameron has covered more miles in his Villa top than Dickie Dunn managed all last season in his? They look similar fitness levels.
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Without the help of the working man (and more recently the Lib Dems), the Conservatives wouldn't have a hope in hell of being elected. Working class Conservatism (whether in your view that is aspirational or merely delusional) has been an important factor in post-war politics.
Now now Steve, we'll have less of this considered, rational debate on here.
Didn't you know that on Heroes & Pravda, all Tories are upper class twits who look down on us working class folk and are only supported by their brainwashed lackies whilst Labour represents all that is great about the Socialist movement and looks out for the working man in his struggle against injustice.
It's all true I tells ya. Next week, the Loch Ness Monster, definitive proof.
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No.
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Without the help of the working man (and more recently the Lib Dems), the Conservatives wouldn't have a hope in hell of being elected. Working class Conservatism (whether in your view that is aspirational or merely delusional) has been an important factor in post-war politics.
Now now Steve, we'll have less of this considered, rational debate on here.
Didn't you know that on Heroes & Pravda, all Tories are upper class twits who look down on us working class folk and are only supported by their brainwashed lackies whilst Labour represents all that is great about the Socialist movement and looks out for the working man in his struggle against injustice.
It's all true I tells ya. Next week, the Loch Ness Monster, definitive proof.
Where's the debate in Steve's point?
He's right, working class Conservative voters have been a feature of British politics for decades, whether it was the original deferential cap doffers, or the aspirational working classes who voted for Thatcher.
What's the relevance of that to David Cameron, though?
And if you're going to make a point about political stereotypes, it'd have more relevance if it wasn't wrapped up in a childish reference to "Heroes and Pravda".
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The epitome of the modern politico: jogging and football.
And by the looks of his gut, he gets out jogging about as often as he gets down to Villa Park.
I will personally break my 25-year abstention from participation in the electoral democratic process for any politician who comes out and says, "I know nothing about football, care even less and won't insult your intelligence by squeezing my outsized gut into a shoddy piece of sweat-shop stitched polyester in frankly unflattering primary colours advertising a Korean photocopier manufacturer in order to convince you otherwise in a nakedly fraudulent attempt to court your support."
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Just as I would have been physically sick at the image (or thought) of Margaret Thatcher in a Villa shirt I'm as equally disturbed by a self confessed "child of Thatcher" in one. It's all part of his (he's just a normal guy) act - as staged as that video blog from his home. He's a dangerous tosser that is lining the pockets of his rich school chums, whilst his policies will have a long lasting negative effect on the vast majority of people. He's one of the last people I want to see in a Villa shirt coming just behind Harold Shipman.
Would you have the same objections if he played a game of keepy-uppies with McLeish or claimed he used to spend most weekends on the Holte cheering on Tony Daley ? Or would that be ok, and just what a 'normal guy' who went to public school would do ?
I would have exactly the same objection if he played a game of keepy-uppies with any of our past or future managers as I object to him using the club for his own PR purposes.
It would be interesting to hear him speak more about his alleged support - if he has spent every other weekend in the directors box cheering on Tony Daley, Tony Morley or even Tony Dorigo at least it would add some validity to his "I'm a Villa fan story". As his job is basically spin and lies I know he does have a "story" to hand, how true that "story" is, I fear is an entirely different matter.
Just to recap, he has to do the "I'm just a normal bloke" who just happened to go to Public School, to play down The Bullingdon Club "Cameron's Cronies" photo
http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/the-bullingdon-club/
Interestingly the photo is now banned in the national media
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6409757.stm
Tony Blair and Kevin Keegan
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I will personally break my 25-year abstention from participation in the electoral democratic process for any politician who comes out and says, "I know nothing about football, care even less and won't insult your intelligence by squeezing my outsized gut into a shoddy piece of sweat-shop stitched polyester in frankly unflattering primary colours advertising a Korean photocopier manufacturer in order to convince you otherwise in a nakedly fraudulent attempt to court your support."
You obviously really miss Thatcher.
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I will personally break my 25-year abstention from participation in the electoral democratic process for any politician who comes out and says, "I know nothing about football, care even less and won't insult your intelligence by squeezing my outsized gut into a shoddy piece of sweat-shop stitched polyester in frankly unflattering primary colours advertising a Korean photocopier manufacturer in order to convince you otherwise in a nakedly fraudulent attempt to court your support."
You obviously really miss Thatcher.
I think it was Michael Foot. It may have been the longest suicide note in history but at least Footie never mentioned footie.