David Cameron in Villa Shirt

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If it was Tony Blair 5 years ago it would have been on the front cover of H & V, you should know how it is here by now. No Tories allowed !

Absolutely mate.....

How come you are both still on here and allowed to state your point of view then?
Along with the arch-Tory Risso.

Don't think I've ever stated a point of view politically on here. I was making a a tongue in cheek comment on my perception of DW's politics.Which he refuted. No worries.

"arch-Tory" - anybody on H&V more right wing than Dave Cooper. 

You didn’t vote for them last time around so you cannot be that much of an arch-Tory.

You do speak a hell of a lot of sense when it comes to financial matters given your expertise, but I have to say, none of it strikes much accordance with the Liberal Democrats and certainly not the Labour party.

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This is Heroes & Villains remember. Left of left.

You could have fooled me, there are plenty of Tories on this site.
More than Labour supporters, for sure.

I don’t know about that, but I think the perception comes from a coincidence between the most frequent posters also being a group of moaning old Trots, so we get the impression that the site’s almost entirely left leaning.

[frank]

I seem to recall former Home Secretary and Villa season ticket holder who actually attended matches,  Jacqui Smith, getting plenty of abuse from right wing elements on this board. Not that it was nor deserved: just pointing it out in the interests of fairness.

This piece by Guardian columnist Marcel Berlins, which has been quoted on this forum before, describes the dilemma of accepting as a fellow Villa fan someone whose politics you totally reject:

I don't know how I've missed it, but I've only just caught up with the fact that the home secretary, Jacqui Smith, is a lifelong, season-ticket holding supporter of Aston Villa ("The best team in the world" - Prince William). I do not know how to cope with this news. I had a small crisis when David Cameron was outed as a Villa man, but that soon passed; he was not actively objectionable enough.

Smith is different. I have taken issue with just about everything she has done or said as home secretary, not least her fervent support for all sorts of illiberal measures eroding our civil liberties. How can I have something as defining as a football team in common with her? If you are misguided enough to cheer for Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal and the like, with their hundreds of famous supporters, the problem doesn't arise. I do not expect you to scrutinise the list of celebs in search of Pol Pot, Idi Amin or Sir Fred Goodwin, fellow fans so objectionable as to make you question your own allegiance. It's different with Villa. We can boast of only a few national or international figures (ie known outside Birmingham) and it upsets us if they are people we may have reservations about. So far, I've either greatly admired my fellow Villa enthusiasts (Nigel Kennedy, the thriller writer Lee Child, and Benjamin Zephaniah, one poignant line of whose poetry reads: "And I chant, Aston Villa, Aston Villa, Aston Villa"); respected them (Sir Mervyn King, governor of the Bank of England, whom I do not blame for our present financial difficulties); regarded them with mild approval, mixed with puzzlement as to their reasons for being attached to Villa (Tom Hanks, Amy Winehouse); or treated them with a degree of suspicion, though not hostility (Prince William, Ozzy Osbourne, Lord "Digby" Jones). That leaves me with Jacqui Smith.

The disconcerting aspect is that football-wise, as distinct from politics-wise, she demonstrates some pleasant attitudes - she doesn't sit in the directors' box at Villa Park, nor does she know or meet any of the players. She seemed, in one football-oriented interview I read, almost sympathetic, a Jacqui Jekyll to the home secretary's Jacqui Hyde. She has now become difficult for me to dislike. After all, I tried to reassure myself, no Aston Villa fan can be that bad. I did not enjoy reaching that conclusion.

[Dave Cooper please]

"arch-Tory" - anybody on H&V more right wing than Dave Cooper. 

Too right comrade and you'll be first against the wall come the glorious revolution.

[Greg N'Ash]

Personally i woudn't vote for any of the parties. they're all corrupt and/or incompetant. Still, out of the three i can't imagine anyone seeing an inbred, borderline retard chinless wonder like Cameron and thinking "hmmm, he'd make a good leader........." As the saying goes your get the government you deserve and while fuckwits still have the right to vote we will continue getting crap goverments like the last 40 years

[Risso]

"arch-Tory" - anybody on H&V more right wing than Dave Cooper. 

Too right comrade and you'll be first against the wall come the glorious revolution.

You'll have to infiltrate my impregnable offshore millionaire's mansion first.  I'll order my subordinates to shoot on sight.

[The Laughing Policeman]

I thought this was a thread about someone wearing a Villa shirt.?
Bugger his politics, like it or not, if that photo has gone around the world, then he's done more in that one picture to raise the profile of the club than any of us could ever hope to.
And let's face it given the choice of having Cameron wearing the shirt in the press or an alleged money launderer who's photo also appeared this week, I know which one I'd choose to have supporting my club.

[Dave]

Why would a photo of a slightly tubby man out jogging 'go round the world'?

[Lizz]

Personally i woudn't vote for any of the parties. they're all corrupt and/or incompetant. Still, out of the three i can't imagine anyone seeing an inbred, borderline retard chinless wonder like Cameron and thinking "hmmm, he'd make a good leader........." As the saying goes your get the government you deserve and while fuckwits still have the right to vote we will continue getting crap goverments like the last 40 years

Genuine question Greg, based on your above comment. Do you believe voting should be restricted to people of a certain level of intelligence? I'm trying to work who you class as fuckwits.

[Greg N'Ash]

Personally i woudn't vote for any of the parties. they're all corrupt and/or incompetant. Still, out of the three i can't imagine anyone seeing an inbred, borderline retard chinless wonder like Cameron and thinking "hmmm, he'd make a good leader........." As the saying goes your get the government you deserve and while fuckwits still have the right to vote we will continue getting crap goverments like the last 40 years

Genuine question Greg, based on your above comment. Do you believe voting should be restricted to people of a certain level of intelligence? I'm trying to work who you class as fuckwits.

Well we all know there is a certain parts of the electorate who will vote labour/conservative/Libs whoever the leader is. They could elect a cuddly toy as leader and they would still get hundreds of thousands voting for them. I used to vote when i was younger and naive but i see very little difference between any of them now and really looking at "Call me Dave" Cameron, Milliband who seems to have difficulty speaking coherently and of course Nick "sell out my principles for a bit of power" Cleg, i find it hard to believe anyone with any sense would vote for them. I abstain because at least you're not actively damaging your own country.

[Dave Cooper please]

So you don't vote but you don't want anyone else to vote in case they elect someone you don't like?

Basically you want a dictatorship as long as the dictator has your approval.

[Yossarian]

This is Heroes & Villains remember. Left of left.

You could have fooled me, there are plenty of Tories on this site.
More than Labour supporters, for sure.

I don’t know about that, but I think the perception comes from a coincidence between the most frequent posters also being a group of moaning old Trots, so we get the impression that the site’s almost entirely left leaning.

Says the man with six thousand posts.

[Greg N'Ash]

So you don't vote but you don't want anyone else to vote in case they elect someone you don't like?

Basically you want a dictatorship as long as the dictator has your approval.

i'm saying the choices are so bad that its not worth picking between them. Who would you vote for as Villa manager if Lerner gave us an options of Gary Pendry, Billy Mcneil and Barry Fry? I would suggest a sensible person would view the choices as so bad it really doesn't matter

[pauliewalnuts]

So you don't vote but you don't want anyone else to vote in case they elect someone you don't like?

Basically you want a dictatorship as long as the dictator has your approval.

i'm saying the choices are so bad that its not worth picking between them. Who would you vote for as Villa manager if Lerner gave us an options of Gary Pendry, Billy Mcneil and Barry Fry? I would suggest a sensible person would view the choices as so bad it really doesn't matter

You joke, but given the increasing lack of inspiration and downscaling of ambition show in our recent managerial appointments, those three will be the front runners when we come to sack McLeish.

[Greg N'Ash]

heh. true. More worrying is if AM was added to those names in a vote he probably wouldn't have won.....