Players Who Simply Aren’t Good Enough

[ChicagoLion]

Beundia hasn’t been a gaurenteed starter in his whole time at the club. We’re in danger of writing him off when he hasnt had a run of more than a couple of starts at a time.

Yesterday gave a strong hint why he probably hasn't been starting very often. He's very easily dispossessed and has no pace at all. His passing was really sloppy too.

I think fitness is an issue for a number of players who have barely started this season or indeed for a number of months earlier this year. Buendia is one.

Which isn’t surprising considering how many starts he has had.
You do not get match fit by 20 minute cameos.

[LeeB]

It's a conundrum, because when he starts he struggles. People have rightly given McGinn stick for giving up the ball too easy but Buendia is as bad if not worse. He also seems to have little 10 minute periods when he's buzzing and effective then immediately follows that up with a spell giving up the ball at every opportunity.

I tend to think of players that produce so inconsistently as not up to it. I hope I'm wrong and that in the hands of a man that knows how to coach and setup a team, his weaknesses will be hidden and his strengths highlighted.

[Risso]

It's a conundrum, because when he starts he struggles. People have rightly given McGinn stick for giving up the ball too easy but Buendia is as bad if not worse. He also seems to have little 10 minute periods when he's buzzing and effective then immediately follows that up with a spell giving up the ball at every opportunity.

I tend to think of players that produce so inconsistently as not up to it. I hope I'm wrong and that in the hands of a man that knows how to coach and setup a team, his weaknesses will be hidden and his strengths highlighted.

It's a different sort of giving it away though. McGinn's are usually 20-30 yard misplaced punts. With Buendia, he's not quick enough to get away from players and any sort of physical contact and he loses it. He also just passes it into touch annoyingly often. We haven't got the time/money to replace everybody though so Buendia is one I hope comes good under Emery.

[LeeB]

I hope they all do mate.

You can't underestimate the effect of having the confidence of being well organised as a group and trusting your teammates positioning can have on making a player look good.

[Risso]

I hope they all do mate.

Yes so do I of course, I meant more that I think he's got the skill to. Certain others, I'll be amazed if they do.

[chrisw1]

How many Newcastle fans would have been thinking that Joelinton & Almiron weren't good enough?  Longstaff probably wouldn't make the grade and that they'd wasted their money on Willock & Burn?

We have a load of players under performing and some I don't think are really up to it.  But I'm happy for Emery to take a proper look and make his own mind up.  I think our main problem has been the level of coaching not the quality in the squad.

[chrisw1]

Although one thing I would say is I think I've got to the stage where I wouldn't be particuallry dissapointed if any single one of them was let go. I've gone from loving most of our team a couple of years ago to feeling pretty ambivalent about the lot of them.

[Risso]

How many Newcastle fans would have been thinking that Joelinton & Almiron weren't good enough?  Longstaff probably wouldn't make the grade and that they'd wasted their money on Willock & Burn?

We have a load of players under performing and some I don't think are really up to it.  But I'm happy for Emery to take a proper look and make his own mind up.  I think our main problem has been the level of coaching not the quality in the squad.

But last year Gerrard was getting pelters for apparently letting Beale do all of the coaching, the same Beale who is now seen as one of the best managerial prospects in the game. Not many people were saying that Smith was a bad coach, but the same players who are crap now were mostly crap under him for 12 months as well.

[chrisw1]

How many Newcastle fans would have been thinking that Joelinton & Almiron weren't good enough?  Longstaff probably wouldn't make the grade and that they'd wasted their money on Willock & Burn?

We have a load of players under performing and some I don't think are really up to it.  But I'm happy for Emery to take a proper look and make his own mind up.  I think our main problem has been the level of coaching not the quality in the squad.

But last year Gerrard was getting pelters for apparently letting Beale do all of the coaching, the same Beale who is now seen as one of the best managerial prospects in the game. Not many people were saying that Smith was a bad coach, but the same players who are crap now were mostly crap under him for 12 months as well.

Beale probbaly changed too much too fast.  We'll never know if he would have made a difference this season.  What I do know is man for man this squad is far better than we are showing at the moment.  I'm pretty convinced if we'd recruited Eddie Howe instead of Gerrard we'd be comfortably top 10 now.  Probably top 8.

[oldhill_avfc]

The argument to see how they all get on with new management is fair enough.

But over the past 3 seasons we've done ok defensively in terms of the goals conceded stat being much better than those around us in the table.

We've been weak in terms of attacking threat, mainly when Grealish was out and obviously now he's gone.  The ability to hold onto the ball and play as a cohesive unit is non existent at away games in particular.

To me that means the focus should be on deciding if any of Ings, Bailey, Buendia, Coutinho and (regrettably) Watkins have got a future here.

[ASHTONVILLA]

I do wonder which of our players are most suited to Emery's playing style and training methods. We could see some shifts both in which players perform well, but also we may see some players currently doing OK flounder.

Chambers ought to be higher up the pecking order due to his better passing ability, and Carlos will likely partner him when available. The rest of our central defenders all look suspect regards being good on the ball, so one would assume Mings and Konsa will be sold on (should generate a good profit), Bednarek will be released at the end of the loan period and Hause will not return. The young lad from Fleetwood may well get some game time next season too.

Sanson, and Kamara should benefit from Emery's methods, but can see Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn being moved on as all are profligate wasters of possession. Can't see Ings being mobile enough, but Watkins definitely is. Traore may come back, Guilbert may get a chance.

Don't think any of our senior fullbacks will survive past next season, but hopefully KKH will feature.

I am sure there will be a few pleasant surprises regards improved form though.

[brontebilly]

Part of the art of management must be getting more out of what you inherit. All the successful managers we've had in my lifetime have achieved it. Brian Little was perhaps the best example - players such as Bosnich, Ugo, Townsend and Yorke were either struggling or in the reserves when he arrived.

Agreed, 100%. Fair enough try to change out 2 or 3 players but changing out most of the team, as is being suggested here, is unrealistic.

Why didn't BFR rate Yorke all that highly? It's always one that puzzles me. I like Watkins but Yorke was everything he isn't, first touch, shooting technique, low centre of gravity like a boxer...

[Risso]

Part of the art of management must be getting more out of what you inherit. All the successful managers we've had in my lifetime have achieved it. Brian Little was perhaps the best example - players such as Bosnich, Ugo, Townsend and Yorke were either struggling or in the reserves when he arrived.

Agreed, 100%. Fair enough try to change out 2 or 3 players but changing out most of the team, as is being suggested here, is unrealistic.

Why didn't BFR rate Yorke all that highly? It's always one that puzzles me. I like Watkins but Yorke was everything he isn't, first touch, shooting technique, low centre of gravity like a boxer...

I don't think he didn't rate him, Yorke was only 19 when Atkinson first arrived. The when Atkinson had Saunders and Dalian up front, Yorke was mainly used on the wing. It was only really after Saunders and Dalian left that he made the centre forward position his own.

[cdbearsfan]

Possibly an idea to see how they perform after they've worked with a decent coach for a while.

Exactly. This thread is a load of shite. As are the opinions of anyone who doesn't rate Buendia.

[Clark W Griswold]

Part of the art of management must be getting more out of what you inherit. All the successful managers we've had in my lifetime have achieved it. Brian Little was perhaps the best example - players such as Bosnich, Ugo, Townsend and Yorke were either struggling or in the reserves when he arrived.

Agreed, 100%. Fair enough try to change out 2 or 3 players but changing out most of the team, as is being suggested here, is unrealistic.

Why didn't BFR rate Yorke all that highly? It's always one that puzzles me. I like Watkins but Yorke was everything he isn't, first touch, shooting technique, low centre of gravity like a boxer...

I don't think he didn't rate him, Yorke was only 19 when Atkinson first arrived. The when Atkinson had Saunders and Dalian up front, Yorke was mainly used on the wing. It was only really after Saunders and Dalian left that he made the centre forward position his own.

That's my take too, although in addition Yorke i think was injured for most of 94-95 and came back on the last day to score as we beat Liverpool 2-0. It was a sign to come of his next 3 seasons. I think he was 23 at the start of 95-96 and that's usually when players enter their peak years. It's a fair point to say Little got the best of him though, and certainly Ugo and Townsend were like different players once Little came in. And the signing of Southgate was a masterstroke, looked superb right from his debut.