Villa Park Redevelopment

[Gareth]

Talking of costs, the Newcastle ticket prices are mental. £48 cheapest adult, £80 in the Trinity posh seats.

£96 for an adult and child on the Holte. Fucking outrageous.

I reckon next year you can add £30 minimum to that….they are gonna test the support with price increases next season I’m sure…42k (or 39k home CUSTOMERS) paying premium prices to maximise revenues.

The real test being if we revert to being mid table or lower again.

[Villan82]

If my ST goes up as expected next season I'll be bailing out.  £70 per match is beyond my threshold.

It's like they actually want empty seats in a 42k stadium rather than a full 50k stadium.

I want to be wrong but I feel the decisions over the past 6 months will ensure we squander our best ever chance to get this right. I am so disiappointed with Heck.

[Dogtanian]

If my ST goes up as expected next season I'll be bailing out.  £70 per match is beyond my threshold.

I will be very surprised if season tickets don't go up again next season.

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Why aren't we doing anything for a decade?

[chrisw1]

Why aren't we doing anything for a decade?

Because if we're staying where we are it will take that long to get site assembly, CPO, design, planning and build completed.

If we're moving, the timescale won't be that different once you factor in site finding and assembly etc.

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It does come down to cost. Don't spend £100m to be left in a situation where the reault is unlikely to bring you any closer to bridging a gap between your rivals.

So spend £100m for 10,000 extra seats, or spend £1 billion for 20,000?

Spurs match day income is around £60m a season more now than it was at their old ground.

Yeah, it's not the seat numbers that's the problem, as has been extensively discussed previously.

Indeed, as the gentleman well knows too.

We spend £100m on the North. Great, Villa Park has 25% of what Everton, West Ham, Spurs have, before we get onto actual heavy hitters like Man City, Arsenal etc.

Flatten next door, rebuild the lot. There's nothing left of Villa Park from 80 years ago. The best stand isn't even as old as my brother and he's not 30 till September.

[Risso]

Ask fans of other clubs which grounds they like the best and Villa Park is always in the mix as a favourite, regardless of the shit service etc.

They don't have to put up with the shit service for 19 games a year. I quite like Everton as an old historic ground, but it's a terrible experience actually going there. It's like driving a classic car. You can admire the polished walnut dash but the lack of aircon and satnav is going to piss you off if you drove it every day.

[Villan82]

Why aren't we doing anything for a decade?

To lie about the extent of consultation on the new badge is one thing. To lie about not staying at Villa Park would be in another ball park.

[Drummond]

Ask fans of other clubs which grounds they like the best and Villa Park is always in the mix as a favourite, regardless of the shit service etc.

They don't have to put up with the shit service for 19 games a year. I quite like Everton as an old historic ground, but it's a terrible experience actually going there. It's like driving a classic car. You can admire the polished walnut dash but the lack of aircon and satnav is going to piss you off if you drove it every day.

Yet will fill* the ground every match, regardless. The club are on to a winner, or at least should be if they actually pulled their fingers out with the service etc.




*apart from 200 odd seats TV and LG etc.

[Villan82]

It does come down to cost. Don't spend £100m to be left in a situation where the reault is unlikely to bring you any closer to bridging a gap between your rivals.

So spend £100m for 10,000 extra seats, or spend £1 billion for 20,000?

Spurs match day income is around £60m a season more now than it was at their old ground.

Yeah, it's not the seat numbers that's the problem, as has been extensively discussed previously.

Indeed, as the gentleman well knows too.

We spend £100m on the North. Great, Villa Park has 25% of what Everton, West Ham, Spurs have, before we get onto actual heavy hitters like Man City, Arsenal etc.

Flatten next door, rebuild the lot. There's nothing left of Villa Park from 80 years ago. The best stand isn't even as old as my brother and he's not 30 till September.

You say that but I disagree. We did rebuild other stands in a way that kept the aesthetic of Villa Park (internally, at least). You watch a game from say 1980 and you know its Villa Park. There is real character to that Holte Trinity corner, whether it is with the original stands or the new ones.

Sorry, but I cannot agree with you. Villa Park is Villa Park and I honestly think we would be crazy to leave

[Pat Mustard]

Liverpool have managed to expand Anfield to more or less the same size as Spurs' ground at about a third of the outlay, and Villa Park has a lot more in common with Anfield than it ever did with WHL.  Extending the North Stand, and then rebuilding Witton Lane should it ever become feasible has to be more cost effective than planning to fully rebuild on the same site - 2 stands built along similar lines to the ones that have gone up at Anfield could get Villa Park up to 65k and would give us more than enough corporate and GA+ options.

The economics of a new build will not stack up unless it is based in town, with the aim at maximising the number of concerts that are held there.  Putting the kibosh on the North Stand means we are going to be stuck in a 42k stadium for the foreseeable future.

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It does come down to cost. Don't spend £100m to be left in a situation where the reault is unlikely to bring you any closer to bridging a gap between your rivals.

So spend £100m for 10,000 extra seats, or spend £1 billion for 20,000?

Spurs match day income is around £60m a season more now than it was at their old ground.

We aren't Spurs and we aren't London. My gut tells me one or two stands like that, for the moment, would suffice and rethink later.

If we don't think we can compete with Spurs, who haven't won the league since colour television was invented then I'm giving up football to go read through VillaDawgs posts on their accounts until I croak.

[Risso]

Ask fans of other clubs which grounds they like the best and Villa Park is always in the mix as a favourite, regardless of the shit service etc.

They don't have to put up with the shit service for 19 games a year. I quite like Everton as an old historic ground, but it's a terrible experience actually going there. It's like driving a classic car. You can admire the polished walnut dash but the lack of aircon and satnav is going to piss you off if you drove it every day.

Yet will fill* the ground every match, regardless. The club are on to a winner, or at least should be if they actually pulled their fingers out with the service etc.




*apart from 200 odd seats TV and LG etc.

We'd fill the Sty twice over. Doesn't make it a good ground.

[Villan82]

Liverpool have managed to expand Anfield to more or less the same size as Spurs' ground at about a third of the outlay, and Villa Park has a lot more in common with Anfield than it ever did with WHL.  Extending the North Stand, and then rebuilding Witton Lane should it ever become feasible has to be more cost effective than planning to fully rebuild on the same site - 2 stands built along similar lines to the ones that have gone up at Anfield could get Villa Park up to 65k and would give us more than enough corporate and GA+ options.

The economics of a new build will not stack up unless it is based in town, with the aim at maximising the number of concerts that are held there.  Putting the kibosh on the North Stand means we are going to be stuck in a 42k stadium for the foreseeable future.

You have put it better than I ever could. Well said.

I was so looking forward to this project, it is so disappointing to see them do this.

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Liverpool and Man United shouldn't be in the equation. Nobody else in the 92 can compete for tourism fan with them. Liverpool on match day is unreal when they're all about. They kick my mates out their season ticket seats for Europe to charge £700 for a package that includes a meal at Aintree and a coach to the ground and he just sits in a regular seat on the side. Ignore them, it's a whole different ball game.