Quote from: Chris Harte on June 11, 2022, 09:19:37 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on June 11, 2022, 09:16:46 PMQuote from: Exeter 77 on June 11, 2022, 09:11:31 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on June 11, 2022, 09:08:04 PMQuote from: Exeter 77 on June 11, 2022, 09:04:59 PMI think I meant how should it work for the Commonwealth Games?Andy Street's got a magic carpet. Sadly that is the answer I expected.Om a vaguely serious note, there was supposed to be a park & ride, a bus sprinter lane from the city centre and upgrades to Perry Barr station. The new Perry Barr station looks a right state. Also, wasn't the former UCE site opposite One Stop meant to have been the athlete's village, but then part way through construction it wasn't?You're right the athletes village idea was abandoned half way through construction. The absolute mess they have made of the removal of the Perry Barr flyover and subsequent re-organising of the road layout doesn't look likely to be ready for the games. Therefore the Sprint bus won't be up and running. There were signs up at the junction specifying a completion date for January 22. Those were removed in February. Piss up and brewery are two words that spring to mind.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 11, 2022, 09:16:46 PMQuote from: Exeter 77 on June 11, 2022, 09:11:31 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on June 11, 2022, 09:08:04 PMQuote from: Exeter 77 on June 11, 2022, 09:04:59 PMI think I meant how should it work for the Commonwealth Games?Andy Street's got a magic carpet. Sadly that is the answer I expected.Om a vaguely serious note, there was supposed to be a park & ride, a bus sprinter lane from the city centre and upgrades to Perry Barr station. The new Perry Barr station looks a right state. Also, wasn't the former UCE site opposite One Stop meant to have been the athlete's village, but then part way through construction it wasn't?
Quote from: Exeter 77 on June 11, 2022, 09:11:31 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on June 11, 2022, 09:08:04 PMQuote from: Exeter 77 on June 11, 2022, 09:04:59 PMI think I meant how should it work for the Commonwealth Games?Andy Street's got a magic carpet. Sadly that is the answer I expected.Om a vaguely serious note, there was supposed to be a park & ride, a bus sprinter lane from the city centre and upgrades to Perry Barr station.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 11, 2022, 09:08:04 PMQuote from: Exeter 77 on June 11, 2022, 09:04:59 PMI think I meant how should it work for the Commonwealth Games?Andy Street's got a magic carpet. Sadly that is the answer I expected.
Quote from: Exeter 77 on June 11, 2022, 09:04:59 PMI think I meant how should it work for the Commonwealth Games?Andy Street's got a magic carpet.
I think I meant how should it work for the Commonwealth Games?
I don't really understand why the Perry Barr flyover got removed. I just can't see how it's going to make the traffic situation better.
Quote from: Ad@m on June 12, 2022, 10:01:07 AMI don't really understand why the Perry Barr flyover got removed. I just can't see how it's going to make the traffic situation better. They have experience of removing flyovers and underpasses in the city centre which haven’t had a massive effect on traffic flow. That flyover in the middle of a residential area is an eyesore & is the boundary between the worst postcode wars in the city. No other radial route from the motorway has it & I know they are all slow, but I actually think wanting to keep it is like a form of Stockholm syndrome for the residents.
Quote from: amfy on June 12, 2022, 10:08:24 AMQuote from: Ad@m on June 12, 2022, 10:01:07 AMI don't really understand why the Perry Barr flyover got removed. I just can't see how it's going to make the traffic situation better. They have experience of removing flyovers and underpasses in the city centre which haven’t had a massive effect on traffic flow. That flyover in the middle of a residential area is an eyesore & is the boundary between the worst postcode wars in the city. No other radial route from the motorway has it & I know they are all slow, but I actually think wanting to keep it is like a form of Stockholm syndrome for the residents.I can't see any benefit to the local area having removed the flyover. I'd be all for it if it helped with traffic problems on matchdays but it just a bit too far away. All they're doing is creating a huge junction with lots of traffic lights. There is one small gain though and that is when you come out of One Stop at the bottom exit you can actually turn right towards the city centre which you couldn't do before.
Quote from: The Edge on June 12, 2022, 01:17:45 PMQuote from: amfy on June 12, 2022, 10:08:24 AMQuote from: Ad@m on June 12, 2022, 10:01:07 AMI don't really understand why the Perry Barr flyover got removed. I just can't see how it's going to make the traffic situation better. They have experience of removing flyovers and underpasses in the city centre which haven’t had a massive effect on traffic flow. That flyover in the middle of a residential area is an eyesore & is the boundary between the worst postcode wars in the city. No other radial route from the motorway has it & I know they are all slow, but I actually think wanting to keep it is like a form of Stockholm syndrome for the residents.I can't see any benefit to the local area having removed the flyover. I'd be all for it if it helped with traffic problems on matchdays but it just a bit too far away. All they're doing is creating a huge junction with lots of traffic lights. There is one small gain though and that is when you come out of One Stop at the bottom exit you can actually turn right towards the city centre which you couldn't do before. Junctions like that exist on every other radial route & haven’t needed a monstrosity of a flyover in the middle. Would we go the other way and build flyovers at the junction of Bristol Road with Highgate Middleway, or at The Kings Head in Bearwood? We wouldn”t, & there’s a reason for that.
Quote from: amfy on June 12, 2022, 02:34:42 PMQuote from: The Edge on June 12, 2022, 01:17:45 PMQuote from: amfy on June 12, 2022, 10:08:24 AMQuote from: Ad@m on June 12, 2022, 10:01:07 AMI don't really understand why the Perry Barr flyover got removed. I just can't see how it's going to make the traffic situation better. They have experience of removing flyovers and underpasses in the city centre which haven’t had a massive effect on traffic flow. That flyover in the middle of a residential area is an eyesore & is the boundary between the worst postcode wars in the city. No other radial route from the motorway has it & I know they are all slow, but I actually think wanting to keep it is like a form of Stockholm syndrome for the residents.I can't see any benefit to the local area having removed the flyover. I'd be all for it if it helped with traffic problems on matchdays but it just a bit too far away. All they're doing is creating a huge junction with lots of traffic lights. There is one small gain though and that is when you come out of One Stop at the bottom exit you can actually turn right towards the city centre which you couldn't do before. Junctions like that exist on every other radial route & haven’t needed a monstrosity of a flyover in the middle. Would we go the other way and build flyovers at the junction of Bristol Road with Highgate Middleway, or at The Kings Head in Bearwood? We wouldn”t, & there’s a reason for that.If you mean Belgrave Middleway there's a tunnel there.
I simply mean we wouldn’t put these things in now, which is an indicator of why it’s a good thing to take them out, although I did forget the tunnel on the ring road, I think flyovers are more intrusive because they are more in the sight line.
Where we really need a tunnel - a proper underground one - is under Great Charles Street.