Emi Martinez

[Somniloquism]

The fourth Reich at work?

[andyh]

The 'song' is utterly repugnant.
There is an oft repeated saying that is vomited up by many racists.
A pig born in a stable doesn't make it a horse.

Its disgusting and meant to be demeaning.
I hope the Chelsea ****** has the book thrown at him and truly hope Emi wasnt involved.           
 

[paul_e]

The 'song' is utterly repugnant.
There is an oft repeated saying that is vomited up by many racists.
A pig born in a stable doesn't make it a horse.

Its disgusting and meant to be demeaning.
I hope the Chelsea ****** has the book thrown at him and truly hope Emi wasnt involved.           
 

I agree but I can also see why someone could miss it as racist (if they're a bit thick and haven't ever really been made to think about racism). I don't much like Enzo Fernandez but I suspect he's a naive idiot rather than a racist.

[pauliewalnuts]

I don’t think the song is overtly racist personally but I wouldn’t have sung it myself. Is it more about nationality than colour of skin?

In which case, why did they choose to sing about Angola specifically then?

They also need to tighten up their history. Angola wasn't even a French colony.

[lovejoy]

I don’t think the song is overtly racist personally

Then I would suggest reading up on racism.

Prima facie these songs reference a person country of origin which makes then xenophobic however if you believe they are being reference because those countries are of a particular race then it could be argued they are also racist however that is implied and therefore a subjective interpretation. Racism suggests a superiority of one race over another, I'm not sure this is being suggested here. I guess one might be both racist and xenophobic.
Also just because someone finds something racist (or for that matter xenophobic) doesn't make it racist.

Unrelated but last week during the Euro semi some guys in the pub were singing ten German bombers (I fucking hate that song) and I pointed out many of the RAF in the battle of Britain were Polish. In the end we had to leave.

[kippaxvilla2]

Bloody hell Paulie they cannot string two words together and you expect them to have that level of knowledge?!

[Brend'Watkins]

I don’t think the song is overtly racist personally but I wouldn’t have sung it myself. Is it more about nationality than colour of skin?

In which case, why did they choose to sing about Angola specifically then?

They also need to tighten up their history. Angola wasn't even a French colony.

Angola and Algeria are all the same to racists.

[kippaxvilla2]

Some of my closest friends are Angolan French.

[Ads]

I don’t think the song is overtly racist personally

Then I would suggest reading up on racism.

Prima facie these songs reference a person country of origin which makes then xenophobic however if you believe they are being reference because those countries are of a particular race then it could be argued they are also racist however that is implied and therefore a subjective interpretation. Racism suggests a superiority of one race over another, I'm not sure this is being suggested here. I guess one might be both racist and xenophobic.
Also just because someone finds something racist (or for that matter xenophobic) doesn't make it racist.

Unrelated but last week during the Euro semi some guys in the pub were singing ten German bombers (I fucking hate that song) and I pointed out many of the RAF in the battle of Britain were Polish. In the end we had to leave.

They're saying blacks can't be French. They're also saying immigrants and their offspring can't be French. Which is weird for a country that was basically a British colony, filled with Italians, Spanish, Germans, Scots and a smattering of Welsh to bang on about purity. Maybe the influx of immigrants in the mid-1940s tainted the well.

[olaftab]

Edited as I am not qualified to get involved in this.

[Dave]

I don’t think the song is overtly racist personally but I wouldn’t have sung it myself. Is it more about nationality than colour of skin?

In which case, why did they choose to sing about Angola specifically then?

They also need to tighten up their history. Angola wasn't even a French colony.

Apropos of nothing, Camavinga was born in Angola.

However it's definitely more like that their thinking was more "all black Africans are the same" rather than digging out Camavinga specifically.

[cdbearsfan]

I don't think it's "their" thinking, it seems to be a fan chant that was being sang at least as far back as Qatar 2022. Not that this makes it any more acceptable.

[lovejoy]

I don’t think the song is overtly racist personally

Then I would suggest reading up on racism.

I remember saying to my wife when she was pregnant; chill a bit it’s not as if you’re overly pregnant.

Overtly not overly. I think there are degrees of racism and context too.

[andyh]

degrees of racism ??

I don't like black people
I hate Pa**'s

Like that you mean ?

[PeterWithesShin]

Only some racism is bad.