Post by: Toronto Villa on September 11, 2020, 12:40:55 PM
https://twitter.com/telefootball/status/1304365812619161600?s=21
We will be getting one of the top keepers in the PL which is fantastic. Allows Heaton to recover in the right time. Steer will be third back up with Nyland and Kalinic on the outside looking in.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 11, 2020, 12:50:35 PM
c£36m on keeper & fullback, two positions I thought we'd be ok in. If we could have got through with Steer and Nyland until Heatons return that would have been ideal, but I presume they are worried about Heatons ability to stay fit.
But all said and done it will be great to have an excellent keeper to start the season.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 11, 2020, 12:54:06 PM
Percy reporting that this is close to being completed. And he’s pretty much bang on with his stories.Is he one of the top keepers in the PL? As far as I can tell he's only played in it 15 times. The Arsenal fans seem to rate him though, which bodes well.
https://twitter.com/telefootball/status/1304365812619161600?s=21
We will be getting one of the top keepers in the PL which is fantastic. Allows Heaton to recover in the right time. Steer will be third back up with Nyland and Kalinic on the outside looking in.
Post by: olaftab on September 11, 2020, 12:57:42 PM
Post by: paul_e on September 11, 2020, 01:00:42 PM
If it is confirmed we need to clear out some keepers. I feel for Steer. Not sure how or what he could have done to establish himself in the first team squad? He should think about moving on, may be to the Championship or League 1.
Not getting injured almost every time he got a chance at a run of games would've helped him a lot.
Post by: danno on September 11, 2020, 01:11:09 PM
But cliche alert: that's football.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 11, 2020, 01:20:31 PM
That is two positions we are already fairly strong in strengthened with a player that makes a decent player the reserve. So long as it doesn't mean we have no money left in the tin for the positions we are short in (doubt it) then it shows we are having a real good go at correcting last seasons deficiencies.
Winger and a central midfielder next by the sound of it. If I were greedy I'd want a left back, preferably funded by getting shot of Hogan / Lansbury/ Taylor etc.
Well done to the club, I was critical of the lack of activity but now things are happening we suddenly look like finishing far higher up the table.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 11, 2020, 01:24:13 PM
Percy reporting that this is close to being completed. And he’s pretty much bang on with his stories.
https://twitter.com/telefootball/status/1304365812619161600?s=21
We will be getting one of the top keepers in the PL which is fantastic. Allows Heaton to recover in the right time. Steer will be third back up with Nyland and Kalinic on the outside looking in.
Superb news.
Percy is reliable but let's give credit via Tom Kershaw too who broke the story with the independent .
Kershaw can be added to Percy for reliable transfer news.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 11, 2020, 01:25:17 PM
I feel sorry for Steer there isn't a good time to get injured, but he got injured at the worst possible time. If he had managed to stay fit he'd have had a good few months to establish himself as a premier league keeper.
But cliche alert: that's football.
So true I have emphasis with Steer in losing out when it was his time.
It's rather unfortunate but hope he has a part to play in cups.
Post by: eamonn on September 11, 2020, 01:43:35 PM
Neil Cutler is going to be a busy man coaching half a team of goalkeepers. Clubs will know we're desperate to offload Nyland and Kalinic so we'll take a haircut on them (Nyland is nicely coiffeured, admittedly).
But yeah, welcome Emmi the Great !
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 11, 2020, 01:45:53 PM
Percy reporting that this is close to being completed. And he’s pretty much bang on with his stories.
https://twitter.com/telefootball/status/1304365812619161600?s=21
We will be getting one of the top keepers in the PL which is fantastic. Allows Heaton to recover in the right time. Steer will be third back up with Nyland and Kalinic on the outside looking in.
Superb news.
Percy is reliable but let's give credit via Tom Kershaw too who broke the story with the independent .
Kershaw can be added to Percy for reliable transfer news.
Would it be good if all the transfers come off
Post by: LeeB on September 11, 2020, 01:53:12 PM
We're generous with our fees, aren't we?
Neil Cutler is going to be a busy man coaching half a team of goalkeepers. Clubs will know we're desperate to offload Nyland and Kalinic so we'll take a haircut on them (Nyland is nicely coiffeured, admittedly).
But yeah, welcome Emmi the Great !
It's a shock to the system for us Villa fans, this new found not-fucking-about-over-transfers shit. We're used to missing out over £500k or having the manager have to walk onto the pitch and tell that honestly, the chairman is not a tight arse twat, and we will get the player we want.
Post by: andyh on September 11, 2020, 01:59:44 PM
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 11, 2020, 02:00:18 PM
Yep, it's refreshing. Okay so we may overpay here and there but now it's 'so fuckin what, that's who we want'.We're generous with our fees, aren't we?
Neil Cutler is going to be a busy man coaching half a team of goalkeepers. Clubs will know we're desperate to offload Nyland and Kalinic so we'll take a haircut on them (Nyland is nicely coiffeured, admittedly).
But yeah, welcome Emmi the Great !
It's a shock to the system for us Villa fans, this new found not-fucking-about-over-transfers shit. We're used to missing out over £500k or having the manager have to walk onto the pitch and tell that honestly, the chairman is not a tight arse twat, and we will get the player we want.
Post by: Diablo on September 11, 2020, 02:02:52 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 11, 2020, 02:05:51 PM
I was at that match when Big Ron came on and did his announcement re Deano although I can't remember off hand which match it was?
sheffield united I think, I remember that the local press they said we should sign Brian Deane not Dean Saunders because he was a handful ?
Post by: KevinGage on September 11, 2020, 02:10:52 PM
Personally I'd have looked at someone like Fraser Forster as a capable number two to step in and use the money in other areas.
But the guy seems driven to establish himself as Argentina's no 1 and Arsenal fans are pissed off at the prospect of losing him.
Good signs.
Post by: KevinGage on September 11, 2020, 02:12:01 PM
I was at that match when Big Ron came on and did his announcement re Deano although I can't remember off hand which match it was?
Crystal Palace at home, before we beat them 3-0.
sheffield united I think, I remember that the local press they said we should sign Brian Deane not Dean Saunders because he was a handful ?
Post by: Drummond on September 11, 2020, 02:13:23 PM
We're generous with our fees, aren't we?
Neil Cutler is going to be a busy man coaching half a team of goalkeepers. Clubs will know we're desperate to offload Nyland and Kalinic so we'll take a haircut on them (Nyland is nicely coiffeured, admittedly).
But yeah, welcome Emmi the Great !
It's a shock to the system for us Villa fans, this new found not-fucking-about-over-transfers shit. We're used to missing out over £500k or having the manager have to walk onto the pitch and tell that honestly, the chairman is not a tight arse twat, and we will get the player we want.
Bugger that. the season starts tomorrow and we've dithered. It's ridiculous.
Post by: Ger Regan on September 11, 2020, 02:13:26 PM
I have misgivings about this. Maybe Heaton's recuperation is behind schedule or not going to plan.Forster would be a stop gap approach, Martinez could potentially sort that position for the next 10 years.
Personally I'd have looked at someone like Fraser Forster as a capable number two to step in and use the money in other areas.
But the guy seems driven to establish himself as Argentina's no 1 and Arsenal fans are pissed off at the prospect of losing him.
Good signs.
Post by: KevinGage on September 11, 2020, 02:20:28 PM
Argentinian and Brazilian internationals in the Villa starting XI.
Go back two years and we had Glen Whelan and Nyland in place of Luiz and this guy.
Those weren't the days.
Post by: Singapore Villa on September 11, 2020, 02:22:32 PM
Slightly concerned we are a bit premature on starting this thread!
Not done yet is it??
Post by: Dave on September 11, 2020, 02:40:47 PM
Slightly concerned we are a bit premature on starting this thread!
Not done yet is it??
It's not, but we tend to graduate to a new thread when there is enough smoke to suggest that something is actually happening.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 11, 2020, 02:52:47 PM
I think this is a good signing, but it's just brutal having to spend so much on yet another keeper.
If At First You Don't Succeed (or if serious injuries intervene), Try, Try Again!
Very happy with this plus signals that we mean business.
Post by: enigma on September 11, 2020, 02:54:52 PM
Post by: LeeB on September 11, 2020, 03:01:44 PM
I was at that match when Big Ron came on and did his announcement re Deano although I can't remember off hand which match it was?
Palace at home. The next home game was Liverpool
Post by: eamonn on September 11, 2020, 03:17:45 PM
Slightly concerned we are a bit premature on starting this thread!
Not done yet is it??
It's not, but we tend to graduate to a new thread when there is enough smoke to suggest that something is actually happening.
Tsk. You wouldn't get this on TBAR (they'd probably announce the signing three weeks after it happened).
Post by: paul_e on September 11, 2020, 03:26:37 PM
Happy with this. Never been convinced by any of the back up keepers and Heaton has had an awful long term injury and at 34 is no spring chicken. Who knows how much it'll affect his mobility?
I agree. I like Heaton but I don't think any of the others are good enough to start regularly so if there's any doubts over Heaton I'd rather get someone in. I also like that he's a little younger than many of the links, I like the idea of growing the squad as a group and despite being a few years older than most he's in a similar place in his development to many of them.
Post by: Risso on September 11, 2020, 03:28:32 PM
Slightly concerned we are a bit premature on starting this thread!
Not done yet is it??
It's not, but we tend to graduate to a new thread when there is enough smoke to suggest that something is actually happening.
Tsk. You wouldn't get this on TBAR (they'd probably announce the signing three weeks after it happened).
Is there *anything* on TBAR these days?
Post by: Ian. on September 11, 2020, 03:34:23 PM
It reminds me of the scene from Detectorists in the last episode when Simon and Garfunkle have no club to be part of.
Slightly concerned we are a bit premature on starting this thread!
Not done yet is it??
It's not, but we tend to graduate to a new thread when there is enough smoke to suggest that something is actually happening.
Tsk. You wouldn't get this on TBAR (they'd probably announce the signing three weeks after it happened).
Is there *anything* on TBAR these days?
Post by: Dave P on September 11, 2020, 03:45:36 PM
Post by: danno on September 11, 2020, 03:47:50 PM
Post by: paul_e on September 11, 2020, 03:58:03 PM
Any signing we make this summer should be to improve the team not the squad. Martinez would be our number 1 for sure.
Well it does both. I don't care whether Heaton or Martinez starts so long as whoever is in plays well and if we have a injury the replacement isn't a huge drop in quality as is the case right now.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 11, 2020, 04:24:29 PM
If it happens I'm glad we're getting somebody who wants to leave to establish themselves as number one, rather than say Romero who we'd probably have had to drag out of Old Trafford kicking and screaming.Exactly, fantastic that a player is more concerned about his career and regular game time than just picking up money. Sounds like we'll have a highly motivated keeper desperate to hold onto the jersey.
Post by: tim on September 11, 2020, 04:42:21 PM
Post by: Diablo on September 11, 2020, 05:49:39 PM
Ah cheers LeeB, appreciate it. I'd have never have named Palace off the top of my head. 18 years ago and I couldn't remember the team or the score from that day. I need to dig out my old season video tapes or get on Youtube (if they're there) and give my memory a bit of a much needed boost/refresher. I thankfully still remember that Ronnie Rosenthal miss though!I was at that match when Big Ron came on and did his announcement re Deano although I can't remember off hand which match it was?
Palace at home. The next home game was Liverpool
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 11, 2020, 06:03:16 PM
Ah cheers LeeB, appreciate it. I'd have never have named Palace off the top of my head. 18 years ago and I couldn't remember the team or the score from that day. I need to dig out my old season video tapes or get on Youtube (if they're there) and give my memory a bit of a much needed boost/refresher. I thankfully still remember that Ronnie Rosenthal miss though!I was at that match when Big Ron came on and did his announcement re Deano although I can't remember off hand which match it was?
Palace at home. The next home game was Liverpool
Give your maths a refresher while you’re at it.
Post by: ozzjim on September 11, 2020, 06:04:32 PM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on September 11, 2020, 06:05:34 PM
Post by: ozzjim on September 11, 2020, 06:12:18 PM
Post by: Diablo on September 11, 2020, 06:24:30 PM
Haha! I know just realised whilst I was putting the tea on! 28 years! Christ no wonder I can't remember it. And in my defence there was a hazy decade included in that time period.Ah cheers LeeB, appreciate it. I'd have never have named Palace off the top of my head. 18 years ago and I couldn't remember the team or the score from that day. I need to dig out my old season video tapes or get on Youtube (if they're there) and give my memory a bit of a much needed boost/refresher. I thankfully still remember that Ronnie Rosenthal miss though!I was at that match when Big Ron came on and did his announcement re Deano although I can't remember off hand which match it was?
Palace at home. The next home game was Liverpool
Give your maths a refresher while you’re at it.
Post by: Diablo on September 11, 2020, 06:25:58 PM
Brighton have also agreed personal terms now too apparently.Back on topic. Oh shit!
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 11, 2020, 06:29:34 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 11, 2020, 06:51:12 PM
Couple of Arse loving friends are genuinely disappointed at the loss of Martinez - they both said he should be staying and also a realistic first choice for them.Same here. I was chatting with a proper Gooner friend this afternoon and this is what he said: “ I love Martinez, proper old school keeper, gets involved, avoids poncy De Gea theatrics like he’s saving the world and really gives a shit. Would be gutted to lose him“
Post by: eamonn on September 11, 2020, 07:08:04 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 11, 2020, 07:16:21 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 11, 2020, 07:18:20 PM
It’ll be announced soon enough if it’s happening.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 11, 2020, 07:23:19 PM
Haha! I know just realised whilst I was putting the tea on! 28 years! Christ no wonder I can't remember it. And in my defence there was a hazy decade included in that time period.Ah cheers LeeB, appreciate it. I'd have never have named Palace off the top of my head. 18 years ago and I couldn't remember the team or the score from that day. I need to dig out my old season video tapes or get on Youtube (if they're there) and give my memory a bit of a much needed boost/refresher. I thankfully still remember that Ronnie Rosenthal miss though!I was at that match when Big Ron came on and did his announcement re Deano although I can't remember off hand which match it was?
Palace at home. The next home game was Liverpool
Give your maths a refresher while you’re at it.
I’d been selling the fanzine for two years at the time. Fucking hell. I remember it selling well that day as we were staunchly anti-Ellis. I think the new issue for the Liverpool game soon after was the best sales day ever, and I missed it (and the game). Probably my only day on the sick. Typical.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 11, 2020, 07:36:28 PM
Or, 'Welcome Emiliano to the greatest club in the world.'
I'll delete one of these later.
Post by: ldavfc4eva on September 11, 2020, 07:45:34 PM
Need to offload some of the other goalies though!
Would say:
Martinez
Heaton
Steer
Nyland and Kalinic to go (aim for £5m for the pair in total)
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 11, 2020, 07:48:04 PM
Looks a quality signing and the right age too, another statement of intent if he is £20m.sorted
Need to offload some of the other goalies though!
Would say:
Martinez
Heaton
Steer
Nyland and Kalinic to go (aim for £5mfor the pair in total)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 11, 2020, 07:50:36 PM
Post by: Ads on September 11, 2020, 07:54:13 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 11, 2020, 07:57:36 PM
Getting closer apparently.
I remember you saying that right at the last minute about Bryan. Bloody hope you’re right though. I think he is a game changer at the back.
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 11, 2020, 08:17:04 PM
Post by: Shrek on September 11, 2020, 08:21:52 PM
Makes a change to be buying players other people want, although more stressful 😂
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 11, 2020, 08:24:38 PM
Adam Crafton of the Athletic reporting we are still favourites as we are guaranteeing him to be number one, whereas Brighton are not looking to sell Ryan so cannot guarantee the same.If that's the case we might as well cash in on Heaton.
Makes a change to be buying players other people want, although more stressful 😂
Post by: Shrek on September 11, 2020, 08:25:35 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 11, 2020, 08:26:14 PM
Haha! I know just realised whilst I was putting the tea on! 28 years! Christ no wonder I can't remember it. And in my defence there was a hazy decade included in that time period.Ah cheers LeeB, appreciate it. I'd have never have named Palace off the top of my head. 18 years ago and I couldn't remember the team or the score from that day. I need to dig out my old season video tapes or get on Youtube (if they're there) and give my memory a bit of a much needed boost/refresher. I thankfully still remember that Ronnie Rosenthal miss though!I was at that match when Big Ron came on and did his announcement re Deano although I can't remember off hand which match it was?
Palace at home. The next home game was Liverpool
Give your maths a refresher while you’re at it.
I’d been selling the fanzine for two years at the time. Fucking hell. I remember it selling well that day as we were staunchly anti-Ellis. I think the new issue for the Liverpool game soon after was the best sales day ever, and I missed it (and the game). Probably my only day on the sick. Typical.
This was when I started watching villa. Previously I was a vanilla football fan with a, gulp, soft spot for Liverpool. A mates big brother was a villa fan and he started driving us up from little ol’ Brackley in Northamptonshire.
I remember feeling part of something bigger when Saunders signed. The fanzine was a big part of that and I regularly brought from the guy on the the approach to the Holte End, near the burger vans.
Post by: olaftab on September 11, 2020, 08:30:28 PM
I agree, I’d cash in on all the keepers bar Jed SteerHmmmm.... I don’t think the term “cash in” will apply its more a case of releasing and reducing liability.
Post by: Shrek on September 11, 2020, 08:33:38 PM
I agree, I’d cash in on all the keepers bar Jed SteerHmmmm.... I don’t think the term “cash in” will apply its more a case of releasing and reducing liability.
That’s probably true. We really need to get to a place where our unwanted players hold value.
Post by: Risso on September 11, 2020, 08:46:20 PM
I agree, I’d cash in on all the keepers bar Jed SteerHmmmm.... I don’t think the term “cash in” will apply its more a case of releasing and reducing liability.
Nope, it's the football equivalent of taking your broken Black and Decker sander to Cash Converters and getting back less than the bus fare it cost you to get there.
Post by: frank black on September 11, 2020, 08:52:59 PM
Rumours Brighton are in the mix now.
Post by: Risso on September 11, 2020, 08:53:45 PM
Post by: Mellin on September 11, 2020, 08:59:25 PM
Post by: OCD on September 11, 2020, 09:03:32 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 11, 2020, 09:04:03 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 11, 2020, 09:04:26 PM
Post by: Ads on September 11, 2020, 09:09:04 PM
Post by: OCD on September 11, 2020, 09:10:19 PM
Percy reporting that its very close. We have offered first team football, they have not.
Which is what he wants. Why anyone would pay £20m and not offer first team football, I don't know.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 11, 2020, 09:12:54 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 11, 2020, 09:22:29 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 11, 2020, 09:24:16 PM
Hopefully we’ll get him in
Post by: Ger Regan on September 11, 2020, 09:26:19 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 11, 2020, 09:26:25 PM
Post by: Villafirst on September 11, 2020, 09:31:25 PM
Post by: OCD on September 11, 2020, 09:42:09 PM
Post by: Ads on September 11, 2020, 09:43:17 PM
Post by: Ger Regan on September 11, 2020, 09:48:49 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 11, 2020, 10:30:16 PM
The only possible reason he could possibly choose Brighton is if he doesn’t to move from the London/outer London area.
Hopefully we’ll get him in
He may also like shingle beaches and pastel-coloured taxis.
Post by: Dave on September 11, 2020, 10:44:14 PM
Surprised he has his own thread as nothing agreed yet.
Pretty much every signing we have ever made has had a thread before the signing has been agreed.
Douglas Luiz's was started two weeks before he signed, and even after that we waited another two weeks for a work permit.
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 11, 2020, 10:45:17 PM
The only possible reason he could possibly choose Brighton is if he doesn’t to move from the London/outer London area.
Hopefully we’ll get him in
Matt Ryan is their number one, barely missed a game in last three seasons so would be a strange move to go there whereas he's playing here if he signs in next week.
Post by: Dave on September 11, 2020, 10:47:37 PM
Post by: Damo70 on September 11, 2020, 10:52:19 PM
Post by: danno on September 11, 2020, 10:54:31 PM
He is a bit of a pretty boy isn't he? All of the pictures of him I have seen online suggest he is a male model as opposed to a footballer.
Great Damo, just great, now I'm thinking of David James. I hope you're happy.
Post by: eamonn on September 11, 2020, 11:02:30 PM
He is a bit of a pretty boy isn't he? All of the pictures of him I have seen online suggest he is a male model as opposed to a footballer.
So is Nyland. Fat lot of good its done him. Or he may have a bevvy of Brummie birds queueing up for him at the Mailbox.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 11, 2020, 11:05:04 PM
He is a bit of a pretty boy isn't he? All of the pictures of him I have seen online suggest he is a male model as opposed to a footballer.
So is Nyland. Fat lot of good its done him. Or he may have a bevvy of Brummie birds queueing up for him at the Mailbox.
That shitter with the pout won't be putting it about no more.
Post by: Dave on September 11, 2020, 11:06:24 PM
He is a bit of a pretty boy isn't he? All of the pictures of him I have seen online suggest he is a male model as opposed to a footballer.
So is Nyland. Fat lot of good its done him. Or he may have a bevvy of Brummie birds queueing up for him at the Mailbox.
We've always had a history of chiselled, Fabio-esque goalkeepers. Look at Nigel Spink.
Post by: Damo70 on September 11, 2020, 11:14:46 PM
He is a bit of a pretty boy isn't he? All of the pictures of him I have seen online suggest he is a male model as opposed to a footballer.
So is Nyland. Fat lot of good its done him. Or he may have a bevvy of Brummie birds queueing up for him at the Mailbox.
We've always had a history of chiselled, Fabio-esque goalkeepers. Look at Nigel Spink.
David James was a model for Armani he was the best example and factually accurate account.
I think Spurs' Ian Walker fancied himself as a model back in the day too.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 11, 2020, 11:16:27 PM
Post by: Monty on September 11, 2020, 11:19:56 PM
He is a bit of a pretty boy isn't he? All of the pictures of him I have seen online suggest he is a male model as opposed to a footballer.
After Watkins' reverse striptease video, nothing would surprise me about our motivation for signings.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 12, 2020, 07:14:06 AM
Post by: mr underhill on September 12, 2020, 08:48:29 AM
Post by: LeeB on September 12, 2020, 09:07:08 AM
I can't see us spending tens of millions (including salary) on a goalkeeper when we have dozens of them and more urgent positions to fill.Thank
"Sorry Emiliano, you'll have to wait until we sign a new left back"
Post by: LukeJames on September 12, 2020, 09:15:50 AM
He is a bit of a pretty boy isn't he? All of the pictures of him I have seen online suggest he is a male model as opposed to a footballer.
So is Nyland. Fat lot of good its done him. Or he may have a bevvy of Brummie birds queueing up for him at the Mailbox.
We've always had a history of chiselled, Fabio-esque goalkeepers. Look at Nigel Spink.
David James was a model for Armani he was the best example and factually accurate account.
I think Spurs' Ian Walker fancied himself as a model back in the day too.
I can't think of Ian Walker without instantly thinking about that fat mess waddling upto him at Leicester.
Post by: algy on September 12, 2020, 10:39:39 AM
I can't see us spending tens of millions (including salary) on a goalkeeper when we have dozens of them and more urgent positions to fill.I was in the same boat, but Martinez looks like he's a higher bracket player - perhaps one you'd expect to be playing European football most seasons - and it doesn't seem to be at the expense at the really critical improvements to the squad (striker, winger, maybe central midfielder). When that type of player comes along at the right price, we should definitely be in for them. Same with Matty Cash - think he'll look an absolute bargain in a couple of years time.
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on September 12, 2020, 10:43:11 AM
Brighton it is then :)The only possible reason he could possibly choose Brighton is if he doesn’t to move from the London/outer London area.
Hopefully we’ll get him in
He may also like shingle beaches and pastel-coloured taxis.
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 12, 2020, 11:01:17 AM
I can't see us spending tens of millions (including salary) on a goalkeeper when we have dozens of them and more urgent positions to fill.but most of the ones we have are utter shite.
Post by: danno on September 12, 2020, 11:03:17 AM
Post by: KevinGage on September 12, 2020, 11:33:25 AM
The only possible reason he could possibly choose Brighton is if he doesn’t to move from the London/outer London area.
Hopefully we’ll get him in
He may also like shingle beaches and pastel-coloured taxis.
Only a philistine wouldn't.
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 12, 2020, 11:34:16 AM
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Post by: dave shelley on September 12, 2020, 02:51:01 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 12, 2020, 02:53:09 PM
Post by: Singapore Villa on September 12, 2020, 02:54:02 PM
Get it done!
Post by: Ads on September 12, 2020, 03:04:00 PM
Post by: Ads on September 12, 2020, 03:05:11 PM
Pleased with this.
Post by: Hairbandinho on September 12, 2020, 03:05:25 PM
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Post by: AV82EC on September 12, 2020, 03:46:10 PM
When was the last time we had two genuinely good keepers competing for the shirt?
Bosnich/Spink??
Post by: Clampy on September 12, 2020, 03:47:08 PM
Mail saying Heaton shocked we are after a new number 1. He's 35 soon, and just had a cruciate injury, we would be mad not to cover that.
It could be a bit of Mail shit stirring. They're not that positive when it comes to us.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 12, 2020, 03:51:28 PM
Mail saying Heaton shocked we are after a new number 1. He's 35 soon, and just had a cruciate injury, we would be mad not to cover that.
It could be a bit of Mail shit stirring. They're not that positive when it comes to us.
Ashley Preece is generally pretty balanced. It's not that hard to believe that Heaton would be a little surprised but like I said we acted quickly to get this done. Those injuries are hard work to come back from, and especially for a keeper where you need maximum agility.
Post by: enigma on September 12, 2020, 03:56:33 PM
Post by: Dave on September 12, 2020, 03:58:36 PM
When was the last time we had two genuinely good keepers competing for the shirt?
Bosnich/Spink??
Guzan / Friedel, back in the days when Guzan was good.
Post by: AV82EC on September 12, 2020, 04:03:20 PM
When was the last time we had two genuinely good keepers competing for the shirt?
Bosnich/Spink??
Guzan / Friedel, back in the days when Guzan was good.
Good call.
Post by: TheMalandro on September 12, 2020, 04:10:06 PM
Post by: danno on September 12, 2020, 04:36:35 PM
Mail saying Heaton shocked we are after a new number 1. He's 35 soon, and just had a cruciate injury, we would be mad not to cover that.
It could be a bit of Mail shit stirring. They're not that positive when it comes to us.
Definitely. their other Villa related story is Dion's opinion that Grealish will leave.
Post by: darren woolley on September 12, 2020, 04:49:58 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on September 12, 2020, 06:07:31 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 12, 2020, 06:08:21 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on September 12, 2020, 06:15:37 PM
That young keeper going to Wolves makes more sense now, we probably couldn't guarantee him gloves.
Wolves have put him out on a season long loan at Shrewsbury.
Post by: brian green on September 12, 2020, 06:18:24 PM
Post by: OCD on September 12, 2020, 06:21:26 PM
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on September 12, 2020, 06:23:43 PM
Post by: CT on September 12, 2020, 06:24:44 PM
If Heaton thinks it's bad, how about Steer? Steer won't even be our cup goalkeeper. I was really impressed with him in the second half of our promotion season.
I think Jed deserved a chance. But Dean and those that work with keepers must think we need an upgrade.
Post by: Small Rodent on September 12, 2020, 06:28:43 PM
If Heaton thinks it's bad, how about Steer? Steer won't even be our cup goalkeeper. I was really impressed with him in the second half of our promotion season.
I think Jed deserved a chance. But Dean and those that work with keepers must think we need an upgrade.
Yes, they don’t spend the money because they can!!
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 12, 2020, 06:28:47 PM
Post by: dave shelley on September 12, 2020, 06:44:45 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 12, 2020, 06:45:09 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 12, 2020, 06:50:37 PM
Does anyone think that Heaton's injury is such that he may not regain 100% full fitness and the club know this and are acting accordingly which is the responsible thing to do?yes - there's got to be some doubts.
Post by: paul_e on September 12, 2020, 07:25:31 PM
Does anyone think that Heaton's injury is such that he may not regain 100% full fitness and the club know this and are acting accordingly which is the responsible thing to do?
I think it's that getting from 90% fit (i.e. what every non-sportsperson would consider fully fit) to match-fit at the highest level is something that gets harder and harder after you hit about 34-35. Loads of players at that sort of age come back from an injury thinking they're going to be fine and then realise they don't have it in them any more.
Post by: Proposition Joe on September 12, 2020, 07:54:22 PM
Post by: danno on September 12, 2020, 08:04:49 PM
Does anyone think that Heaton's injury is such that he may not regain 100% full fitness and the club know this and are acting accordingly which is the responsible thing to do?
I think it's that getting from 90% fit (i.e. what every non-sportsperson would consider fully fit) to match-fit at the highest level is something that gets harder and harder after you hit about 34-35. Loads of players at that sort of age come back from an injury thinking they're going to be fine and then realise they don't have it in them any more.
Gary Neville in that game against West Brom springs to mind.
I think its partly what Dave suggested and partly just wanting to build some continuity. e.g. Mings has been here a year and must have had 5 different keepers behind him already.
Getting somebody in who potentially could be our number one for six or seven years is more than just contingency planning. Its showing a bit of confidence that we want to push on and build a team over a period of time.
Post by: ozzjim on September 12, 2020, 08:05:36 PM
Post by: algy on September 12, 2020, 08:11:54 PM
Does anyone think that Heaton's injury is such that he may not regain 100% full fitness and the club know this and are acting accordingly which is the responsible thing to do?Yeah, he'll presumably have been monitored after his injury, so they might have some idea about the probability of him getting back to full fitness, and have decided that it's not a risk worth taking.
Post by: Drummond on September 12, 2020, 08:20:07 PM
Post by: ozzjim on September 12, 2020, 08:20:57 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 12, 2020, 08:41:16 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 12, 2020, 08:44:59 PM
Steer goes on loan whilst Heston gets fit. We sell Heston next summer for £Xm and Steer becomes the undisputed number 2.
Not sure what Steer gains from this other than a new contract and wealth beyond my wildest dreams.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 12, 2020, 08:44:59 PM
His missus has started following us (AVFC not H&V) on Instagram so looks like he's on his way.
This is my favourite bit of ITK when we sign a player. It always seems the only way that we know for sure ahead of an announcement. Strange world we live in; good job it won't last much longer.
Post by: manic-road on September 12, 2020, 08:52:21 PM
It could dovetail nicely.
Steer goes on loan whilst Heston gets fit. We sell Heston next summer for £Xm and Steer becomes the undisputed number 2.
Not sure what Steer gains from this other than a new contract and wealth beyond my wildest dreams.
Is Heston that Charlton fella?
Post by: dave shelley on September 12, 2020, 08:53:14 PM
It could dovetail nicely.
Steer goes on loan whilst Heston gets fit. We sell Heston next summer for £Xm and Steer becomes the undisputed number 2.
Not sure what Steer gains from this other than a new contract and wealth beyond my wildest dreams.
Is Heston that Charlton fella?
No, this one's a chef.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 12, 2020, 08:57:19 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 12, 2020, 09:07:51 PM
His missus has started following us (AVFC not H&V) on Instagram so looks like he's on his way.
This is my favourite bit of ITK when we sign a player. It always seems the only way that we know for sure ahead of an announcement. Strange world we live in; good job it won't last much longer.
All I can add to that is that she's appears to be Brazilian (or Portuguese).
Mrs. Rashica (who would be as welcome in B6 as her husband) isn't following us yet.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 12, 2020, 09:11:51 PM
His missus has started following us (AVFC not H&V) on Instagram so looks like he's on his way.
This is my favourite bit of ITK when we sign a player. It always seems the only way that we know for sure ahead of an announcement. Strange world we live in; good job it won't last much longer.
All I can add to that is that she's appears to be Brazilian (or Portuguese).
Mrs. Rashica (who would be as welcome in B6 as her husband) isn't following us yet.
Are you the person who's made the word 'wife' appear as the second or third autocomplete option when typing a player's name into Google?!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 12, 2020, 09:14:59 PM
His missus has started following us (AVFC not H&V) on Instagram so looks like he's on his way.
This is my favourite bit of ITK when we sign a player. It always seems the only way that we know for sure ahead of an announcement. Strange world we live in; good job it won't last much longer.
All I can add to that is that she's appears to be Brazilian (or Portuguese).
Mrs. Rashica (who would be as welcome in B6 as her husband) isn't following us yet.
Are you the person who's made the word 'wife' appear as the second or third autocomplete option when typing a player's name into Google?!
No, but it could be first now, I'm warming to the task.
Post by: eamonn on September 12, 2020, 10:46:25 PM
His missus has started following us (AVFC not H&V) on Instagram so looks like he's on his way.
This is my favourite bit of ITK when we sign a player. It always seems the only way that we know for sure ahead of an announcement. Strange world we live in; good job it won't last much longer.
How do you mean much longer ?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 12, 2020, 11:06:48 PM
His missus has started following us (AVFC not H&V) on Instagram so looks like he's on his way.
This is my favourite bit of ITK when we sign a player. It always seems the only way that we know for sure ahead of an announcement. Strange world we live in; good job it won't last much longer.
How do you mean much longer ?
The world. It won't be here much longer. Well it will, but as far as our species is concerned, y'know.
Post by: aldridgeboy on September 13, 2020, 12:14:34 AM
Post by: LukeJames on September 13, 2020, 12:29:43 AM
Post by: UK Redsox on September 13, 2020, 10:04:32 AM
His missus has started following us (AVFC not H&V) on Instagram so looks like he's on his way.
This is my favourite bit of ITK when we sign a player. It always seems the only way that we know for sure ahead of an announcement. Strange world we live in; good job it won't last much longer.
BV is the new Eastie :)
Post by: Ian. on September 13, 2020, 10:20:01 AM
Any news on their holiday plans BV? 😉His missus has started following us (AVFC not H&V) on Instagram so looks like he's on his way.
This is my favourite bit of ITK when we sign a player. It always seems the only way that we know for sure ahead of an announcement. Strange world we live in; good job it won't last much longer.
BV is the new Eastie :)
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 13, 2020, 10:26:17 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 13, 2020, 12:23:06 PM
Any news on their holiday plans BV? 😉His missus has started following us (AVFC not H&V) on Instagram so looks like he's on his way.
This is my favourite bit of ITK when we sign a player. It always seems the only way that we know for sure ahead of an announcement. Strange world we live in; good job it won't last much longer.
BV is the new Eastie :)
I've been called worse. :)
Emi and Mrs. M "love to go to the great outdoors and explore the countryside" so I'm guessing Centre Parcs is the next destination. Over to Risso for the next update.
Post by: brian green on September 13, 2020, 12:42:40 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 13, 2020, 02:17:01 PM
His missus has started following us (AVFC not H&V) on Instagram so looks like he's on his way.
This is my favourite bit of ITK when we sign a player. It always seems the only way that we know for sure ahead of an announcement. Strange world we live in; good job it won't last much longer.
All I can add to that is that she's appears to be Brazilian (or Portuguese).
Just got this PM from Eastie:
Quote
She's Brazilian but I'd imagine by her cockney accent she's been in London for some time. She's an interior designer specialising in bedroom decoration for kids of the very rich. Her company featured recently on Channel 5. Oh and her sister is a lawyer in SP.
Post by: oldtimernow on September 13, 2020, 03:43:41 PM
Post by: gpbarr on September 13, 2020, 03:43:49 PM
Good business.
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 13, 2020, 03:44:52 PM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on September 13, 2020, 03:53:05 PM
Post by: WilliamStanding on September 13, 2020, 03:57:10 PM
The last Arsenal goalkeeper we signed wasn't too shabby either..
Stuart Taylor ?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 13, 2020, 03:59:15 PM
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She's Brazilian but I'd imagine by her cockney accent she's been in London for some time. She's an interior designer specialising in bedroom decoration for kids of the very rich. Her company featured recently on Channel 5. Oh and her sister is a lawyer in SP.
RCF, I think we need confirmation of this by a Lusophone such as yourself. I find it hard to believe she doesn't still have that distinctive accent that Brazilians have in English and I bet she'd still say "I livid in London" (rather than lived).
Post by: The Edge on September 13, 2020, 04:07:29 PM
Post by: mr underhill on September 13, 2020, 04:11:18 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 13, 2020, 04:28:47 PM
#announcerachica
#announcer a chica (another Portuguese reference Mr. U?)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 13, 2020, 04:48:50 PM
Post by: LeeB on September 13, 2020, 04:58:23 PM
Post by: sid1964 on September 13, 2020, 05:07:27 PM
I should imagine that Heston won’t be too impressed with now being our sub goalie
Post by: danno on September 13, 2020, 05:09:38 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 13, 2020, 05:26:10 PM
Would not have signed without the guarantee of being our No1
I should imagine that Heston won’t be too impressed with now being our sub goalie
He was bench warming for six months behind Joe Hart the season before he joined us.
He's a good pro who of course will want to play but I doubt will kick up a fuss. Of course he'll still feel he can get into England squad for euros so perhaps he may ask for a loan move in January but lots of football to be played before that.
Post by: LukeJames on September 13, 2020, 05:26:36 PM
Post by: Risso on September 13, 2020, 05:26:57 PM
Would not have signed without the guarantee of being our No1
No chance. No player will have a guarantee like that, if he's good enough, he'll be our number 1.
Post by: LeeB on September 13, 2020, 05:30:00 PM
Would not have signed without the guarantee of being our No1
No chance. No player will have a guarantee like that, if he's good enough, he'll be our number 1.
And if he doesn't perform, he's got a top class keeper breathing down his neck, which is how it should be at a big club and is long overdue.
Post by: Villafirst on September 13, 2020, 05:41:41 PM
Post by: Ger Regan on September 13, 2020, 05:43:29 PM
Weres it been reported as confirmed? I wana get excited about this one but can't find anything other than the reports from yesterday.It hasn't been announced officially yet.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 13, 2020, 05:46:34 PM
Post by: Villafirst on September 13, 2020, 06:46:57 PM
Post by: WilliamStanding on September 13, 2020, 06:53:35 PM
Welcome Mr Martinez.
Post by: The Edge on September 13, 2020, 08:11:46 PM
Aston Villa officially announce the signing of Martinez on a 4 year dealMy Villa supporting mate sent me a very official looking article with the "official" Villa logo on it. It stated that we have agreed a deal and he had signed. I shared it in good faith on here and sent it to plenty of others. Now I find out there's been no official statement so I have egg on my face. Apologies if turns out to be "fake news." Fingers crossed that we still get him.
Post by: UK Redsox on September 13, 2020, 08:38:58 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 13, 2020, 09:40:35 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 13, 2020, 09:42:08 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 13, 2020, 10:14:43 PM
Aston Villa have completed the signing of Emiliano Martinez from Arsenal - contract signed until June 2024.
Jon Percy
"Emiliano Martinez is having his medical at Villa this afternoon. Deal worth around £20m agreed with Arsenal. Martinez set to start Premier League opener against Sheff Utd "
Tom Kershaw
"Emiliano Martinez will undergo his medical with Aston Villa tonight/tomo am, with a £20m deal agreed for the Arsenal goalkeeper"
And Gregg Evans says just waiting official announcement on Martinez being signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 13, 2020, 10:18:00 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 13, 2020, 10:20:14 PM
Fabrizio Romano
Aston Villa have completed the signing of Emiliano Martinez from Arsenal - contract signed until June 2024.
Jon Percy
"Emiliano Martinez is having his medical at Villa this afternoon. Deal worth around £20m agreed with Arsenal. Martinez set to start Premier League opener against Sheff Utd "
Tom Kershaw
"Emiliano Martinez will undergo his medical with Aston Villa tonight/tomo am, with a £20m deal agreed for the Arsenal goalkeeper"
And Gregg Evans says just waiting official announcement on Martinez being signed
So, not signed.
Club not announced it. By adding 'signed' to the thread title implies they have, when they haven't.
Don't get me wrong, in relative terms, I could not really give one tenth of one shit either way, am just pointing out, it's not official.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 14, 2020, 12:21:23 AM
Ron Saunders brought in Jimmy Rimmer, for me the best ever Villa keeper but at a time when most were more than happy with John Burridge. It's a massive position, if we are to finalise the deal with Martinez, I for one will be happy that we are impatient to wait to see if our current Number 1 fully recovers. Time waits for no man and as a Villa supporter, about bloody time.
Onwards and bloody upwards!
Edit: Right now I'm actually looking forward to the new season.
Post by: Havencheese on September 14, 2020, 02:10:32 AM
Post by: mr underhill on September 14, 2020, 07:00:51 AM
Post by: oldtimernow on September 14, 2020, 08:10:38 AM
The last Arsenal goalkeeper we signed wasn't too shabby either..
Stuart Taylor ?
No not him, was he for real?
Was thinking more like Jimmy Rimmer
Post by: algy on September 14, 2020, 08:58:31 AM
This will be my most anticipated signing this window once confirmed. Seems like such a step in the right direction.Me too, seems like the first time we've taken a player off a decent Premier League club that they've wanted to keep in ... well, too long.
Quite excited about this window, think we could end up with a very decent side.
Post by: Mister E on September 14, 2020, 09:06:45 AM
I think we still need more cover at CB, unless someone in the youth set-up is ready to step up/This will be my most anticipated signing this window once confirmed. Seems like such a step in the right direction.Me too, seems like the first time we've taken a player off a decent Premier League club that they've wanted to keep in ... well, too long.
Quite excited about this window, think we could end up with a very decent side.
Post by: aev on September 14, 2020, 09:37:38 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 14, 2020, 09:48:02 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 14, 2020, 09:57:57 AM
Martinez and his representatives say the club committed to retroactively paying him a bonus once he signed a new deal and wants Arsenal to uphold that agreement even if he leaves to join Villa.
Post by: Villafirst on September 14, 2020, 10:09:34 AM
Post by: Fred Crump on September 14, 2020, 10:11:38 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 14, 2020, 10:12:32 AM
Post by: Villa Lew on September 14, 2020, 10:13:19 AM
Post by: The Edge on September 14, 2020, 10:40:55 AM
We're Aston Villa: we can snatch defeat from jaws of victory.Don't sound like the problem is Villa. Problem is between Arsenal and the player. Out of our hands now by the sound of it.
Post by: eamonn on September 14, 2020, 10:49:34 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 14, 2020, 10:50:32 AM
Post by: OCD on September 14, 2020, 10:55:11 AM
Post by: Proposition Joe on September 14, 2020, 11:03:25 AM
Post by: danno on September 14, 2020, 11:06:04 AM
Post by: Villafirst on September 14, 2020, 11:25:15 AM
Why should Arsenal give him a bonus if he is leaving instead of signing a new deal? And we're likely bumping up his wages and a signing-on fee. Selfish fecker.
If it's written into his current contract, Arsenal are obliged to honour it surely? Nothing to do with him being selfish.
Post by: olaftab on September 14, 2020, 11:39:52 AM
Sky are saying personal terms yet to be agreedBoth way personal terms I guess need to be agreed. As soon as Arsenal realise they are delaying £20M into their kitty they will bung him half a million "bonus" to pay for his taxi ride to Villa Park.
Post by: danno on September 14, 2020, 11:42:18 AM
Not really. It's just what I do on champ manager when someone won't sign a new contract.
Post by: Pat Mustard on September 14, 2020, 12:03:51 PM
Post by: darren woolley on September 14, 2020, 12:11:38 PM
Post by: OCD on September 14, 2020, 12:21:56 PM
Post by: eamonn on September 14, 2020, 12:25:20 PM
I'd have thought that if he hasn't actually put in a transfer request then Arsenal will be liable for any bonus or loyalty payments he was due, so he will want that sorted before any contract is agreed.
Why would you ever hand in a transfer request as a player or resign as a manager (if financial motives trump your general wellbeing) ?
Post by: danno on September 14, 2020, 12:31:56 PM
Either that or he's a greedy mofo.
Post by: Pat Mustard on September 14, 2020, 01:09:11 PM
I'd have thought that if he hasn't actually put in a transfer request then Arsenal will be liable for any bonus or loyalty payments he was due, so he will want that sorted before any contract is agreed.
Why would you ever hand in a transfer request as a player or resign as a manager (if financial motives trump your general wellbeing) ?
At the top level I don’t think they ever do anymore. Makes more sense lower down the chain where the potential pay increase for a move outweighs anything you might be owed, but even there played will agitate for a move rather than actually putting in a request.
As for managers, we only have to look at ourselves to see how many we have been a brilliant retirement plan for over the last 10 years.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 14, 2020, 01:54:12 PM
I've always believed a top goalkeeper is essential to any team, in fact I've always been confused why so little is spent on a top keeper compared to a striker when the keeper can win/save you as many points as a top quality striker.
Me too. That's why I am always deeply suspicious (sceptical) whenever a club is willing (keen) to sell a keeper.
Post by: Arsey on September 14, 2020, 02:02:52 PM
Post by: Arsey on September 14, 2020, 02:04:05 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/VpxZzhH/B7346058-8810-475-C-B47-E-31146-A1-BC689.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VpxZzhH)
Post by: Ger Regan on September 14, 2020, 02:08:13 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 14, 2020, 02:08:32 PM
Post by: Dave on September 14, 2020, 02:14:49 PM
confirmed on avfc twitter feed - ITSITCR
(https://i.ibb.co/VpxZzhH/B7346058-8810-475-C-B47-E-31146-A1-BC689.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VpxZzhH)
I often find the photoshoppers at avfcofficiaall to be the best source for things.
Post by: luke95 on September 14, 2020, 02:17:12 PM
That's a really shit photoshop job.
You'll certainly do well to score past his head...
Post by: Border villan on September 14, 2020, 02:19:52 PM
That's a really shit photoshop job.
You'll certainly do well to score past his head...
Swollen with pride on joining the Villa?
Post by: A|C on September 14, 2020, 02:38:47 PM
Post by: The Edge on September 14, 2020, 02:42:23 PM
confirmed on avfc twitter feed - ITSITCRFuck me some people really don't have much going on in their lives do they?
(https://i.ibb.co/VpxZzhH/B7346058-8810-475-C-B47-E-31146-A1-BC689.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VpxZzhH)
Post by: frank black on September 14, 2020, 05:50:43 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 14, 2020, 06:06:08 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 14, 2020, 06:20:30 PM
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2020, 06:22:01 PM
Post by: brian green on September 14, 2020, 06:28:57 PM
Post by: darren woolley on September 14, 2020, 06:32:45 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 14, 2020, 07:26:12 PM
I blame The Edge.
Post by: Shrek on September 14, 2020, 07:42:32 PM
Post by: Damo70 on September 14, 2020, 07:59:26 PM
So Arsenal love and respect him so much, they won’t pay him the bonus he is due... 👎
They should just stick his bonus money in the old big brown envelope that says 'Private and personal FAO George Graham'.
Post by: eamonn on September 14, 2020, 08:27:09 PM
Post by: Shrek on September 14, 2020, 08:35:39 PM
Hadn't realised that he has only played 15 games for Arsenal in all his time there. It's quite a lot of money for someone who isn't fully proven and is so late into his career.
That’s only league game, he played 23 games last season alone.
Post by: The Edge on September 14, 2020, 09:44:12 PM
dragging on a bit now....
I blame The Edge.
Thanks !
Post by: Clampy on September 14, 2020, 09:45:23 PM
dragging on a bit now....
I blame The Edge.
Thanks !
The Edge is foine.....
Post by: olaftab on September 14, 2020, 09:47:30 PM
dragging on a bit now....But I think we have The Edge.
I blame The Edge.
Post by: olaftab on September 14, 2020, 09:49:57 PM
I wish Arsenal would just pay him what they owe him and let him get on with it.Or more accurately pay him what they don't owe him but he claims the do.
Post by: papa lazarou on September 14, 2020, 10:03:38 PM
confirmed on avfc twitter feed - ITSITCR
(https://i.ibb.co/VpxZzhH/B7346058-8810-475-C-B47-E-31146-A1-BC689.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VpxZzhH)
Emilianoneck Martinez
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 15, 2020, 11:00:03 AM
Post by: darren woolley on September 15, 2020, 11:34:02 AM
It’s been so long now I reckon we will have sold him on again by the time we announce this one.
I love it LOL
Post by: Dr Butler on September 15, 2020, 11:39:15 AM
UTV
The Doc
Post by: OCD on September 15, 2020, 12:38:39 PM
It’s been so long now I reckon we will have sold him on again by the time we announce this one.
Or we might have bought another goalkeeper.
Post by: Rudy65 on September 15, 2020, 01:17:09 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on September 15, 2020, 01:23:16 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 15, 2020, 01:25:17 PM
Is Martinez actually any good based on half a season with Arse? We signed Hogan on the same basis and look how good that turned out. Been on loan in championship before thatReading fans adored him for the season he spent there.
Post by: Richard E on September 15, 2020, 01:25:44 PM
My mate was telling me he was on loan at Wolves five or six years ago.
Perhaps we should sign your mate instead then.
Post by: sid1964 on September 15, 2020, 01:28:55 PM
Listening to the south american football expert on sky (can't think of his name), he said that Martinez would only sign for a club who would guarantee he will be 1st choice, as he wants to be the Argentinian national team goalkeeper.
If he were not 1st choice with us - why would he leave Arsenal? he may as well sit on their subs bench
Post by: danno on September 15, 2020, 01:40:52 PM
He's leaving Arsenal because he's guaranteed to start this season as second choice behind Leno.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 15, 2020, 02:05:02 PM
Post by: ozzjim on September 15, 2020, 02:32:59 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 15, 2020, 03:40:55 PM
What I like about the signing is I don't think a new goalkeeper was a priority this summer but when the opportunity arose we didn't hesitate to improve the first team.
Well i in agreement with the movement but lets not forget there was a complete transfer review and I for one think that GK area must have been identified in improving.
Theres planning that goes on now.
Of course we looked at Ramsdale and Romero but I like the current ness of signing the FA Cup winning gk and someone who's been at a top side .
Because Reina left and essentially needed replacing.
I think maybe if Heaton was ready to go would may not have bought in but has to be said this Gk situation has been a problem area as such with no long term solution.
Now Martinez has been signed as just that.
Neville and Carra both said GK needs to be secure for team to succeed.
So I think we did indeed want a new Gk
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 15, 2020, 03:55:46 PM
He player of the season at Reading didn't he? They raved about him. If he ever actually signs.
He was and also the subject of speculation he was going to Leeds at the end of the season.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 15, 2020, 03:58:40 PM
That's a major plus too
Post by: john e on September 15, 2020, 04:04:23 PM
has he actually signed yet ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 15, 2020, 04:42:50 PM
He player of the season at Reading didn't he? They raved about him. If he ever actually signs.
If he has signed, i suspect the club are playing it clever and planning the announcement around the Grealish one. Makes social media sense to me.
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 15, 2020, 04:46:09 PM
that made me laughMy mate was telling me he was on loan at Wolves five or six years ago.
Perhaps we should sign your mate instead then.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 15, 2020, 04:55:21 PM
If he signs he will be brilliant until he makes his first mistake - and then most will want him droppedWas it the most excellent South American Football expert that is Tim Vickery? Or do Sky have one of own that's escaped me. Vickery is independent and brodcasts across all the platforms sky BBC Talksport always knowing on all things South American have had the pleasure of speaking to him on the excellent 5 live world football phone in!
Listening to the south american football expert on sky (can't think of his name), he said that Martinez would only sign for a club who would guarantee he will be 1st choice, as he wants to be the Argentinian national team goalkeeper.
If he were not 1st choice with us - why would he leave Arsenal? he may as well sit on their subs bench
I quite enjoy to hear his thoughts and knowledge.
Has to be him !
Post by: olaftab on September 15, 2020, 05:06:31 PM
Please be careful with such remarks. I am taking tea in the garden and almost made an awful mess with a scone that was heading in the direction of my mouth heavily laden with best of clotted Cornish and lashings of raspberry jam.My mate was telling me he was on loan at Wolves five or six years ago.
Perhaps we should sign your mate instead then.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 15, 2020, 05:10:01 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 15, 2020, 05:36:36 PM
Please be careful with such remarks. I am taking tea in the garden and almost made an awful mess with a scone that was heading in the direction of my mouth heavily laden with best of clotted Cornish and lashings of raspberry jam.My mate was telling me he was on loan at Wolves five or six years ago.
Perhaps we should sign your mate instead then.
Jam then cream?
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 15, 2020, 05:38:44 PM
I have cream and butter, and more cream on my scone. None of this Jam nonsense.Please be careful with such remarks. I am taking tea in the garden and almost made an awful mess with a scone that was heading in the direction of my mouth heavily laden with best of clotted Cornish and lashings of raspberry jam.My mate was telling me he was on loan at Wolves five or six years ago.
Perhaps we should sign your mate instead then.
Jam then cream?
Post by: Drummond on September 15, 2020, 05:48:43 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 15, 2020, 05:53:01 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on September 15, 2020, 06:52:19 PM
Sky saying it will be done in next 24 hours
Olaftab is a slow eater.
Post by: john e on September 15, 2020, 06:56:51 PM
bigger than it looks with strikers and stuff taking the headlines
but every successful team always had a top notch goalie someone solid dependable and confident
it’s the most important position on the pitch
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 15, 2020, 07:35:44 PM
big one this
bigger than it looks with strikers and stuff taking the headlines
but every successful team always had a top notch goalie someone solid dependable and confident
it’s the most important position on the pitch
Agree
Clough always said a good goalkeeper got you as many points as a 20 goal striker. Spent a fortune on Shilton and won trophies.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 15, 2020, 08:59:03 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 15, 2020, 09:18:56 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/cdavison_afc/status/1305958375835029506/photo/1Obviously Small Heath have nipped in to snatch him at the last minute.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 15, 2020, 09:24:29 PM
Clearly I got over excited.
Post by: Shrek on September 15, 2020, 09:29:17 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 15, 2020, 10:18:11 PM
Who’s idea is it to put Neil Taylor on 6 foot 7 Lewis Akins.
Targett. After seeing Akins as they lined up he refused to leave the tunnel. Ankle injury according to Meaning Evil.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on September 16, 2020, 10:02:15 AM
Post by: Towser on September 16, 2020, 10:02:45 AM
Post by: Monty on September 16, 2020, 10:06:58 AM
Post by: exigo on September 16, 2020, 10:09:55 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/BPBxYZZ/martinez-announcement.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BPBxYZZ)
NTSITPR
(Near the shirt, in the press room)
Post by: Drummond on September 16, 2020, 10:12:01 AM
Post by: Dr Butler on September 16, 2020, 10:12:23 AM
UTV
The Doc
Post by: UK Redsox on September 16, 2020, 10:13:17 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 16, 2020, 10:13:55 AM
Post by: Clampy on September 16, 2020, 10:16:35 AM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 16, 2020, 10:16:36 AM
Post by: Ads on September 16, 2020, 10:24:56 AM
how many argentines have played for us before?
I don't think any have ever played a first team game for us, but we have had perhaps one Argetine on the books in Bartlet.
Post by: Clampy on September 16, 2020, 10:26:25 AM
how many argentines have played for us before?
I don't think any have ever played a first team game for us, but we have had perhaps one Argetine on the books in Bartlet.
I'd forgot about him and just googled him. He's 46 now.
Post by: PeterWithe on September 16, 2020, 10:27:54 AM
Post by: john e on September 16, 2020, 10:32:13 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 16, 2020, 10:32:15 AM
Where was Oscar Arce from ?
Argentina.
Post by: eamonn on September 16, 2020, 10:34:47 AM
My Argentinian mate is saying how Emi is the most expensive goalkeeper to come out of the country and people are a little puzzled as they've barely seen him play.
Hope we've not been star-struck just cos he's a Gooner and that he's loved there.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 16, 2020, 10:37:37 AM
I thought Bartelt did come on as a sub once or twice but Wiki says otherwise. Plenty of Itals and Argies wear sunglasses in all weather but I think John Gregory wasn't aware of cultural differences and the sight of Gustavo wearing them to training rubbed him up the wrong way.
My Argentinian mate is saying how Emi is the most expensive goalkeeper to come out of the country and people are a little puzzled as they've barely seen him play.
Hope we've not been star-struck just cos he's a Gooner and that he's loved there.
And she will come from India
with a gun at her side
or she will come from Argentina
with her cemetery eyes that say, "Oh, how my dark star will rise."
Post by: LeeB on September 16, 2020, 10:41:29 AM
"“We moved for Emi when we saw the opportunity,” Smith said, “as it is rare to be able to buy a top-class goalkeeper who hasn’t yet reached their peak age and who can therefore be a key player for our club for the long term.”
Post by: eamonn on September 16, 2020, 10:41:32 AM
(Fair play for sticking to Butler canon).
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 16, 2020, 10:46:12 AM
Well Emi has certainly been swayed by what we're offering.
(Fair play for sticking to Butler canon).
I don't mind wee Richard but he didn't teach me anything.
Post by: olaftab on September 16, 2020, 10:56:06 AM
In that case we can safely assume he was Argentinian.Where was Oscar Arce from ?
Argentina.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 16, 2020, 11:02:56 AM
how many argentines have played for us before?
I don't think any have ever played a first team game for us, but we have had perhaps one Argetine on the books in Bartlet.
How could you forget Oscar Arce? Or the legendary and apocryphal back four of Aitken-Brown-Arce-Hole?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 16, 2020, 11:10:13 AM
In that case we can safely assume he was Argentinian.Where was Oscar Arce from ?
Argentina.
Or Argentinean or Argentine although my preferred usage is Argentinian too. :)
Post by: Villa Lew on September 16, 2020, 11:10:55 AM
UP THE VILLA
Post by: brontebilly on September 16, 2020, 11:17:32 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 16, 2020, 11:18:53 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 16, 2020, 11:32:04 AM
I like this:
"“We moved for Emi when we saw the opportunity,” Smith said, “as it is rare to be able to buy a top-class goalkeeper who hasn’t yet reached their peak age and who can therefore be a key player for our club for the long term.”
Me too.
Building for the future. There's a plan and it's a short, medium and long-term one.
Post by: Mister E on September 16, 2020, 11:33:35 AM
And she will come from IndiaGreat quote, SE!
with a gun at her side
or she will come from Argentina
with her cemetery eyes that say, "Oh, how my dark star will rise."
Post by: Diablo on September 16, 2020, 11:49:45 AM
my gooner mate is gutted to see him go....:)Yup mine too. He sounded visibly upset, the depth/strength of feeling actually surprised me - I'm now gonna call him and check he's ok ;-)
UTV
The Doc
Post by: darren woolley on September 16, 2020, 11:52:20 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 16, 2020, 12:01:50 PM
Post by: paul_e on September 16, 2020, 12:07:22 PM
I like this:
"“We moved for Emi when we saw the opportunity,” Smith said, “as it is rare to be able to buy a top-class goalkeeper who hasn’t yet reached their peak age and who can therefore be a key player for our club for the long term.”
Me too.
Building for the future. There's a plan and it's a short, medium and long-term one.
Yep, I really like that comment because I like the idea of the club looking at the gaps in the squad now but also in the next 2-3 years and signing players that fit the longer term needs as much as the short-term. For example I can see them looking at a midfielder that's a little older than the rest because we have Ramsey coming through so the signing is about filling the gap whilst we see if Ramsey steps up. For other positions they're less sure about the kids coming through so they sign younger players to put less pressure on the kids and let them take a couple of years out on loans, etc.
Post by: MalcolmP on September 16, 2020, 12:52:32 PM
how many argentines have played for us before?
I don't think any have ever played a first team game for us, but we have had perhaps one Argetine on the books in Bartlet.
How could you forget Oscar Arce? Or the legendary and apocryphal back four of Aitken-Brown-Arce-Hole?
Aitken was back four (Left back) Brown Arce and Hole were midfielders (Hole was a very good player and Jimmy Brown was just 15 years and 349 days old when he made his debut). Oscar had a brother Hector who was also at the Villa so we had 2 Arce's. They played around same time as we had Zimbabweans Mwile and Kapengwi? We used to be at the forefront of foreign player signings!
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 16, 2020, 12:54:46 PM
6ft 5 too. *punches the like button”
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 16, 2020, 01:01:51 PM
Arsenal fans are gutted but have been very gracious in wishing him and us well.
6ft 5 too. *punches the like button”
This guy has real integrity and honesty about him
Real love for the arsenal fans and really respects his profession I think he's wonderful and has real passion for football. I feel his emotions.
Has done a superb exit interview to the arsenal fans as well as mentioning how hard he worked to get where he is .
I can't wait for the first interview for Villa I promise you he'll touch everyone hearts.
He's going to be a cult hero and take to out hearts .
He loves the arsenal fans and they love him and I think he such a man of great character who he said came as a boy from Argentina and left a man .
Taken form whoscored.com
"Even the most ardent of Martinez followers couldn't have predicted quite how capable the substitute goalkeeper would prove to be in Leno's absence. As well as playing an important role in Arsenal lifting the FA Cup and Community Shield in a matter of weeks, the stand-in stopper boasted the best save success rate of all Premier League goalkeepers (78.6 per cent), having kept out 33 of 42 shots on target faced. With anything above 75 per cent among the strongest in any season, the fact that Martinez has managed such numbers in each of his previous two loan spells in the Championship suggests it was no fluke either."
Trust me he's going to be adored by all of us.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 16, 2020, 01:06:18 PM
Well he has said his goodbye to Arsenal, a nice long video on Instagram. Seems a lovely chap, genuinely hope he is as good as we all hope he is.
He's a great character of integrity. Brilliant exit interview .
Can't wait for his villa interview proper class act in how he conducts himself and what he's arrived for . It's his time now
And now we can have the GK position sorted . Great stuff!
Arsenal (@Arsenal) Tweeted:
Before leaving, @EmiMartinezz1 had one final request: to do a leaving interview to speak to the fans one last time ❤️
📺 This is Emi's farewell to the Arsenal family... https://t.co/rlaGSQkLVy https://twitter.com/Arsenal/status/1306159869217701889?s=20
Post by: sid1964 on September 16, 2020, 01:09:52 PM
I hope that at the end of the 4 years you will have enjoyed being at our club - there is no pressure here to win as long as we have 1 decent season during your 4 years you will be looked upon as a legend!
We are very easy to please - just ask the other ex-Arsenal player who signed for us!!!
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 16, 2020, 01:12:45 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 16, 2020, 01:18:17 PM
Post by: exigo on September 16, 2020, 01:20:19 PM
Post by: enigma on September 16, 2020, 01:20:40 PM
Post by: Risso on September 16, 2020, 01:23:29 PM
Post by: villadelph on September 16, 2020, 01:39:53 PM
He sounds like Kermit the frog, which for me is a massive positive.
I was quite impressed with his English, which can be difficult for South American players who are expected to come right in and make an impact. He's been settled in London for 10+ years.. I think this is going to work out well for us.
Post by: simon ward 50 on September 16, 2020, 01:47:08 PM
Post by: Mouse Potato on September 16, 2020, 01:57:00 PM
Post by: aldridgeboy on September 16, 2020, 03:17:57 PM
But everything I’ve read makes me think this is a fantastic signing.
Post by: Axl Rose on September 16, 2020, 03:53:56 PM
Post by: eamonn on September 16, 2020, 03:59:54 PM
At a time when Chelsea have got a keeper who cost three times the price, letting in every shot on target, he's an absolute steal.
Steady on. The consensus among neutrals seems to be that we've made an over-generous offer that Arsenal have accepted as they need money for transfers. Time will tell I guess.
Bienvenido Emmi Martinez!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 16, 2020, 04:24:44 PM
Was it the most excellent South American Football expert that is Tim Vickery? Or do Sky have one of own that's escaped me. Vickery is independent and brodcasts across all the platforms sky BBC Talksport always knowing on all things South American have had the pleasure of speaking to him on the excellent 5 live world football phone in!
I quite enjoy to hear his thoughts and knowledge.
Has to be him !
I was a regular listener to Dotun and Tim for years pre-lockdown, when were you on the show? I like the way Vickery often mixes cultural or historical events with football.
Not 100% sure but I think I played football against him in Rio about 20 years ago.
Post by: joe_c on September 16, 2020, 04:24:47 PM
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/familyguy/images/3/33/Buzz_Killington.jpg)
Post by: aldridgeboy on September 16, 2020, 04:39:43 PM
Happy with that
Post by: gpbarr on September 16, 2020, 04:39:53 PM
Post by: oldtimernow on September 16, 2020, 04:42:22 PM
I’m in Little Venice in London , obs in my new top, and a manager of a bar just said “ congratulations on our goalie. You have a legend in the making “
Happy with that
Jimmy Rimmer mk2
Championship goalie
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 16, 2020, 05:06:24 PM
Anyone else thinking "£17m for a 28 year old reserve with 15 appearances over six years, WTF?" or is it just me? This is more a comment on the madness of the market than the player who seems extremely solid in terms of ability and personality.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/familyguy/images/3/33/Buzz_Killington.jpg)
For an outfield player I would agree. Not a GK. Especially one with very few miles on the clock.
Post by: Luffbralion on September 16, 2020, 05:47:48 PM
how many argentines have played for us before?
I don't think any have ever played a first team game for us, but we have had perhaps one Argetine on the books in Bartlet.
How could you forget Oscar Arce? Or the legendary and apocryphal back four of Aitken-Brown-Arce-Hole?
Aitken was back four (Left back) Brown Arce and Hole were midfielders (Hole was a very good player and Jimmy Brown was just 15 years and 349 days old when he made his debut). Oscar had a brother Hector who was also at the Villa so we had 2 Arce's. They played around same time as we had Zimbabweans Mwile and Kapengwi? We used to be at the forefront of foreign player signings!
Post by: WilliamStanding on September 16, 2020, 05:48:38 PM
I’m in Little Venice in London , obs in my new top, and a manager of a bar just said “ congratulations on our goalie. You have a legend in the making “
Happy with that
Jimmy Rimmer mk2
Championship goalie
Luckily we didn’t get relegated to find out whether he was championship standard.
Post by: Luffbralion on September 16, 2020, 05:55:28 PM
how many argentines have played for us before?
I don't think any have ever played a first team game for us, but we have had perhaps one Argetine on the books in Bartlet.
How could you forget Oscar Arce? Or the legendary and apocryphal back four of Aitken-Brown-Arce-Hole?
Aitken was back four (Left back) Brown Arce and Hole were midfielders (Hole was a very good player and Jimmy Brown was just 15 years and 349 days old when he made his debut). Oscar had a brother Hector who was also at the Villa so we had 2 Arce's. They played around same time as we had Zimbabweans Mwile and Kapengwi? We used to be at the forefront of foreign player signings!
Freddie Mwila and Emment Kapengwe seemed such exciting, exotic signings at the time and achieved nothing. Actually they were from Zambia. We've only had one Zimbabwean player and he's been marvelous (sic).
Meanwhile welcome Emiliano. Looks like an excellent signing.
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 16, 2020, 06:03:35 PM
Post by: themossman on September 16, 2020, 06:13:07 PM
Keeper market is weird anyway, low turnover, not very efficiently priced. Cheap ones, very expensive ones, not many in the middle where Martinez is.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 16, 2020, 06:18:07 PM
Post by: dave shelley on September 16, 2020, 06:19:08 PM
Welcome Emi, if you can kick it when it needs to be kicked, catch it when it needs to be caught and stop it when it needs to be stopped, then you'll do for me.
Seriously, you are welcome to the greatest club in the world. I hope you have a long and successful career with us.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 16, 2020, 06:41:10 PM
Was it the most excellent South American Football expert that is Tim Vickery? Or do Sky have one of own that's escaped me. Vickery is independent and brodcasts across all the platforms sky BBC Talksport always knowing on all things South American have had the pleasure of speaking to him on the excellent 5 live world football phone in!
I quite enjoy to hear his thoughts and knowledge.
Has to be him !
I was a regular listener to Dotun and Tim for years pre-lockdown, when were you on the show? I like the way Vickery often mixes cultural or historical events with football.
Not 100% sure but I think I played football against him in Rio about 20 years ago.
Oh round Christmas bout 4/5 years ago now when Oscar was transferring to China. Discussing the league and transfer window and his move as well as players moving /playing in Ukraine and Russia.
The other time was on an one of the world cup special couple years ago! I'm quite shy so don't say much but it was quite fun.
That's amazing you played against him . I believe he's a spurs fan which he jokes about and use to be married to a Brazilian!
I'd like to hear what he thinks about Thiago Silva at Chelsea.
Perhaps the best looking player now in the Prem ahead of James Rodriguez! I prefer the Sofia Vergara type!
She's quite the woman !
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 16, 2020, 06:56:29 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 16, 2020, 08:43:20 PM
He sounds like Kermit the frog, which for me is a massive positive.
I've not listened, but I have just discovered a new Muppets series on Disney+. I assume you're referring to 'classic' Kermit, because the new one is not Kermit. Nosiree, not Kermit at all.
Post by: rougegorge on September 16, 2020, 09:28:13 PM
However, Martínez looked very good after he got his chance post-lockdown, so long may it continue, even if his price tag most probably more than doubled in a matter of weeks.
It's weird to think that we have seen him play in a league match more recently than the Arsenal fans; the turgid goalless draw at Reading where we barely tested him.
In fact, Arsenal fans haven't seen him play a league game in the flesh for nearly 6 years, and he's had a long stint warming the bench, or playing in some cup games along with a selection of lower league loans.
However, as others have alluded to, Rimmer mk 2 would do nicely.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on September 16, 2020, 11:20:00 PM
Was it the most excellent South American Football expert that is Tim Vickery? Or do Sky have one of own that's escaped me. Vickery is independent and brodcasts across all the platforms sky BBC Talksport always knowing on all things South American have had the pleasure of speaking to him on the excellent 5 live world football phone in!
I quite enjoy to hear his thoughts and knowledge.
Has to be him !
I was a regular listener to Dotun and Tim for years pre-lockdown, when were you on the show? I like the way Vickery often mixes cultural or historical events with football.
Not 100% sure but I think I played football against him in Rio about 20 years ago.
Oh round Christmas bout 4/5 years ago now when Oscar was transferring to China. Discussing the league and transfer window and his move as well as players moving /playing in Ukraine and Russia.
The other time was on an one of the world cup special couple years ago! I'm quite shy so don't say much but it was quite fun.
That's amazing you played against him . I believe he's a spurs fan which he jokes about and use to be married to a Brazilian!
I'd like to hear what he thinks about Thiago Silva at Chelsea.
Perhaps the best looking player now in the Prem ahead of James Rodriguez! I prefer the Sofia Vergara type!
She's quite the woman !
Good stuff, WFPI is one of the many podcasts I listen to when at work. The chats normally pretty good and does give a good insight into non football stuff when they go off on a tangent.
Tim Vickery talk on all things South American certainly whets my appetite as it’s a continent I’d love to visit. All the guests are pretty good, the only one that grinds with me sometimes is Mina Rizouki.
Post by: eddiemunster on September 17, 2020, 12:39:39 PM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on September 17, 2020, 12:51:04 PM
So which keepers are we keeping then?
Other than Martinez, I suspect it might be more of which keepers will other people want?
Heaton unlikely to move this window as he is injured, but a club might want him in January or next summer assuming he is on the bench.
As for the others - our preference might be to shift Kallinic and Nyland and to keep Steer, but that might have to change if there is more interest in Steer than one of the other two. UTV
Post by: richtheholtender on September 17, 2020, 02:23:01 PM
So which keepers are we keeping then?
Other than Martinez, I suspect it might be more of which keepers will other people want?
Steer does hold an advantage being English
Heaton unlikely to move this window as he is injured, but a club might want him in January or next summer assuming he is on the bench.
As for the others - our preference might be to shift Kallinic and Nyland and to keep Steer, but that might have to change if there is more interest in Steer than one of the other two. UTV
Post by: richtheholtender on September 17, 2020, 02:24:02 PM
So which keepers are we keeping then?
Other than Martinez, I suspect it might be more of which keepers will other people want?
Heaton unlikely to move this window as he is injured, but a club might want him in January or next summer assuming he is on the bench.
As for the others - our preference might be to shift Kallinic and Nyland and to keep Steer, but that might have to change if there is more interest in Steer than one of the other two. UTV
Steer does hold an advantage bring English.
Post by: LukeJames on September 17, 2020, 02:28:58 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 18, 2020, 07:21:14 PM
Post by: andyh on September 18, 2020, 07:44:17 PM
Its just dawned on me that we have spent £36m on keepers in the past couple of years. Fuck me hopefully that is the position sorted now for the next decade or so.And much are all of their salaries costing?
I know it’s not our money, but bloody hell our goalie wages bill must be astronomical.
Post by: Steve67 on September 18, 2020, 08:16:01 PM
Well done Emi. Called up by Argentina
Aston Villa: International makers. Martinez, Luiz, Wesley, Mings, Grealish.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 20, 2020, 06:09:00 PM
Post by: Dave on September 20, 2020, 06:13:47 PM
Well done Emi. Called up by Argentina
Aston Villa: International makers. Martinez, Luiz, Wesley, Mings, Grealish.
Hourihane
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 20, 2020, 06:14:32 PM
Its just dawned on me that we have spent £36m on keepers in the past couple of years. Fuck me hopefully that is the position sorted now for the next decade or so.
I'd love to know the actual thought process going into signing Kalinic. I get the impression DS never rated or wanted him, given he played about 5 games and didn't look convincing (but nowhere near as bad as Nyland looked months before) then was subbed at half time v West Brom and was never seen again. Didn't even play in the league cup early last season
Guess he was one we previously had on file in some desk due to not getting a work permit in 15/16 and Suso got a hard on when he saw Kalinic played for a Belgium club but that's a pretty disappointing 7m down the drain plus allegedly a very decent weekly wage.
I don't actually think we'll have an issue moving on Nyland as there was talk of Bundesliga interest a few weeks back so someone will probably take him for a couple of million.
Post by: Mister E on September 20, 2020, 06:15:11 PM
Today’s burning question. ‘Is the Chelsea keeper worth 3.5 Emi’s?Tomorrow's burning question: Did we or Sheffu get better value from their new keeper?
Post by: Risso on September 20, 2020, 06:38:28 PM
Its just dawned on me that we have spent £36m on keepers in the past couple of years. Fuck me hopefully that is the position sorted now for the next decade or so.
I'd love to know the actual thought process going into signing Kalinic. I get the impression DS never rated or wanted him, given he played about 5 games and didn't look convincing (but nowhere near as bad as Nyland looked months before) then was subbed at half time v West Brom and was never seen again. Didn't even play in the league cup early last season
Guess he was one we previously had on file in some desk due to not getting a work permit in 15/16 and Suso got a hard on when he saw Kalinic played for a Belgium club but that's a pretty disappointing 7m down the drain plus allegedly a very decent weekly wage.
I don't actually think we'll have an issue moving on Nyland as there was talk of Bundesliga interest a few weeks back so someone will probably take him for a couple of million.
8 goals conceded in your first three games in the Championship is pretty woeful. He was absolutely dismal against Wigan, and he seemed really, really slow to get down to the ball.
Post by: OCD on September 20, 2020, 06:39:57 PM
Its just dawned on me that we have spent £36m on keepers in the past couple of years. Fuck me hopefully that is the position sorted now for the next decade or so.
I'd love to know the actual thought process going into signing Kalinic. I get the impression DS never rated or wanted him, given he played about 5 games and didn't look convincing (but nowhere near as bad as Nyland looked months before) then was subbed at half time v West Brom and was never seen again. Didn't even play in the league cup early last season
Guess he was one we previously had on file in some desk due to not getting a work permit in 15/16 and Suso got a hard on when he saw Kalinic played for a Belgium club but that's a pretty disappointing 7m down the drain plus allegedly a very decent weekly wage.
I don't actually think we'll have an issue moving on Nyland as there was talk of Bundesliga interest a few weeks back so someone will probably take him for a couple of million.
I get the impression we had already made a commitment to signing him before Smith had chance to have a proper look at him.
Post by: WassallVillain on September 21, 2020, 07:58:48 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 21, 2020, 12:47:04 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 21, 2020, 12:56:37 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 21, 2020, 01:11:17 PM
That was such a nightmare game. I decided to go last minute and was quite excited to see Kalanic and O'Hare. The entire team were awful, although seem to recall Lansbury was best of a bad bunch?Debut tonight. Hope it’s a better one than Tom Heaton last year. What a nightmare start and so unnecessary.Swansea FA cup
Kalinic debut saw him concede within couple of minutes!!
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 21, 2020, 01:26:50 PM
For those not going to the match tonight watch it with no added crowd sound so we can hear how vocal Emi Martinez is.
Of course this doesn't apply to those of you who are going! But just keep quiet.
Post by: Drummond on September 21, 2020, 04:12:37 PM
For those not going to the match tonight watch it with no added crowd sound so we can hear how vocal Emi Martinez is.
Would you mind taking notes? Saves me having to listen out for him as I don't know his voice or accent very well.
Thanks.
Post by: Mister E on September 21, 2020, 04:49:06 PM
Haha - a laugh-out-loud moment.For those not going to the match tonight watch it with no added crowd sound so we can hear how vocal Emi Martinez is.Would you mind taking notes? Saves me having to listen out for him as I don't know his voice or accent very well.
Thanks.
Post by: GarTomas on September 21, 2020, 07:03:38 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 21, 2020, 07:56:59 PM
Post by: themossman on September 21, 2020, 07:58:47 PM
Post by: thick_mike on September 21, 2020, 08:00:05 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 21, 2020, 08:00:26 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 21, 2020, 08:08:32 PM
Post by: CT on September 21, 2020, 08:11:08 PM
Post by: Steve67 on September 21, 2020, 08:20:45 PM
Post by: eamonn on September 21, 2020, 08:21:49 PM
Not sure what he's got to do with Clare Balding though.
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2020, 08:24:13 PM
Post by: OCD on September 21, 2020, 08:31:25 PM
Loved how he celebrated the win at the end too.
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 21, 2020, 08:31:46 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 21, 2020, 08:32:04 PM
He's an absolute baller. Signing of the season.he's as assured on the ball as Balding is in that pic.
Not sure what he's got to do with Clare Balding though.
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 21, 2020, 08:32:53 PM
Who was the last keeper to save a penalty, Steer in the play off shoot out?Reina from Son.
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 21, 2020, 08:33:00 PM
Post by: eamonn on September 21, 2020, 08:33:08 PM
He's an absolute baller. Signing of the season.he's as assured on the ball as Balding is in that pic.
Not sure what he's got to do with Clare Balding though.
I mean it's tenuous but its original so you're in !
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 21, 2020, 08:42:18 PM
(https://www.clarebalding.co.uk/media/photos/630/clarebalding_20170718103913.jpg)
I'm fairly certain Clare Balding doesn't cradle too many balls.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 21, 2020, 08:44:05 PM
Post by: rougegorge on September 21, 2020, 08:48:55 PM
One note of annoyance was the commentator and Alan Smith mispronouncing his name. It's pronounced Mar-teen-ez not Martin-ez. It's not difficult!
Post by: WilliamStanding on September 21, 2020, 09:01:48 PM
Post by: colin69 on September 21, 2020, 09:03:33 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on September 21, 2020, 09:06:31 PM
He looked tremendously assured and calm. Those are great compliments for a keeper. It was almost secondary to his penalty save which was excellent.
Spot on. Just gave off that feeling/aura of a safe 'keeper that I didn't realise was missing till tonight.
Post by: WilliamStanding on September 21, 2020, 09:06:39 PM
Post by: darren woolley on September 21, 2020, 09:07:57 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 21, 2020, 09:09:01 PM
Love having an arrogant Argie back there.
What a strange person you are.
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2020, 09:13:20 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 21, 2020, 09:16:27 PM
Post by: Steve67 on September 21, 2020, 09:25:08 PM
Love having an arrogant Argie back there.
How about talented, confident, competent?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 21, 2020, 09:29:04 PM
Post by: WilliamStanding on September 21, 2020, 09:34:20 PM
Love having an arrogant Argie back there.
How about talented, confident, competent?
See above.
Post by: The Edge on September 21, 2020, 09:46:00 PM
🤣🤣🤣Love having an arrogant Argie back there.
What a strange person you are.
Post by: WilliamStanding on September 21, 2020, 09:51:22 PM
How very strange.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 21, 2020, 10:02:06 PM
Love having an arrogant Argie back there.
Certainly better than a nervous Norwegian.
Post by: brontebilly on September 21, 2020, 10:04:25 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 21, 2020, 10:08:53 PM
Love having an arrogant Argie back there.
Certainly better than a nervous Norwegian.
And a calamitous Croatian.
Post by: Drummond on September 21, 2020, 10:12:16 PM
He looked tremendously assured and calm. Those are great compliments for a keeper. It was almost secondary to his penalty save which was excellent.
Spot on. Just gave off that feeling/aura of a safe 'keeper that I didn't realise was missing till tonight.
Yep, felt totally assured with him there.
Post by: WilliamStanding on September 21, 2020, 10:35:09 PM
For those slightly more sensitive.
Because the term “tenacious Scot” used for SJM caused utter uproar.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 21, 2020, 10:42:07 PM
Because the term “tenacious Scot” used for SJM caused utter uproar.
Sedulous Scot has a much better ring to it.
Post by: rougegorge on September 21, 2020, 10:59:10 PM
I know it's pedantic, but it's not difficult for an English speaker to get it right - just like Rafa Benítez is pronounced Ben-eet-ez. Martínez has an accent on the I for a reason.Love having an arrogant Argie back there.
How about talented, confident, competent?
See above.
Think uncalled for saying arrogant and bringing nationality into it.
I said when he signed that he's a man of integrity and class . He take to all our hearts .
And well played to those who could see that the gold keeper situatin needed addresseding from the outsetA really composed debut topped off by that penalty save.Its very difficult for English speaker actually because its
One note of annoyance was the commentator and Alan Smith mispronouncing his name. It's pronounced Mar-teen-ez not Martin-ez. It's not difficult!
pronounced ES not ez
S not Z.
I was highlighting the incorrect emphasis on the first syllable rather then the ending. However, an S is ok for a Latin American, though a Spanish person would say a soft TH for the Z.
However, again neither S nor TH is at all difficult for an English speaker to say.
Being married to a Spanish woman for a good number of years, it's one thing I do know. Language lesson over.
Post by: ktvillan on September 21, 2020, 11:04:37 PM
Its very difficult for English speaker actually because its
pronounced ES not ez
S not Z.
What's your first language Footy?
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 22, 2020, 06:19:38 AM
Football is my only language!Its very difficult for English speaker actually because its
pronounced ES not ez
S not Z.
What's your first language Footy?
Post by: Drummond on September 22, 2020, 10:10:46 AM
Football is my only language!Its very difficult for English speaker actually because its
pronounced ES not ez
S not Z.
What's your first language Footy?
Baddum - tosh!
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 22, 2020, 12:19:30 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 22, 2020, 12:57:47 PM
Also, following up from footy's request to listen to him, I've seen a quote on Twitter from someone....
To Konsa (re Cash): 'Go wide for him, show for him, Keep moving the ball, it's the best way to defend' or something similar.
Post by: Risso on September 22, 2020, 01:38:37 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 22, 2020, 01:59:05 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 22, 2020, 02:16:31 PM
Post by: Risso on September 22, 2020, 02:22:50 PM
He is Bozzie without the arrogance.
and the boots like a sheriff's badge.
Post by: CT Villan on September 22, 2020, 02:47:32 PM
What's your first language Footy?
Unwinese
Post by: Damo70 on September 22, 2020, 03:32:01 PM
Post by: Ads on September 22, 2020, 06:07:21 PM
Fantastic stop, excellent coming for the ball, good communicator, good passer- ok he had little to do, but what he did, was excellent.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 22, 2020, 08:02:25 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 22, 2020, 08:12:59 PM
Post by: gpbarr on September 23, 2020, 12:33:58 AM
Post by: dave17 on September 28, 2020, 02:56:37 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 28, 2020, 09:40:17 AM
Going to whisper it but I think he’s the best keeper in the league
Why would you want to go and say something like that on matchday?! For his second game.....
Post by: itbrvilla on September 29, 2020, 08:11:09 AM
Post by: Mister E on September 29, 2020, 08:27:20 AM
Nice save at the end but WTF was that for the disallowed goal? No more of that please Emiliano!Simple: Mings got in his way! Sometimes, defenders need to get the fuck out of the way and let the keeper do his work (I'm talking about shots from outside the box, mainly).
Post by: Dave P on September 29, 2020, 09:44:56 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 29, 2020, 09:53:56 AM
Going to whisper it but I think he’s the best keeper in the league
Why would you want to go and say something like that on matchday?! For his second game.....
Phew.
Post by: LukeJames on September 30, 2020, 06:43:26 PM
Mark Bunn at WBA if anybodies interested.
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 30, 2020, 06:51:41 PM
Post by: darren woolley on September 30, 2020, 10:23:57 PM
Post by: teamvillage on October 02, 2020, 02:59:31 PM
Mark Bunn - bloody hell, forgot about him.
Forms part of a select group of two players who I've seen play for both Aston Villa and Aylesbury United (also Jonathan Bewers...)
Post by: Risso on October 02, 2020, 03:17:23 PM
Mark Bunn - bloody hell, forgot about him.
Forms part of a select group of two players who I've seen play for both Aston Villa and Aylesbury United (also Jonathan Bewers...)
I went to see Aylesbury United v England in a warm up game before Euro 1988.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 02, 2020, 03:23:16 PM
Post by: fbriai on October 02, 2020, 03:29:43 PM
Mark Bunn - bloody hell, forgot about him.
Forms part of a select group of two players who I've seen play for both Aston Villa and Aylesbury United (also Jonathan Bewers...)
I went to see Aylesbury United v England in a warm up game before Euro 1988.
Didn't that finish 7-1 or 7-0, something like that?
Post by: eamonn on October 02, 2020, 06:11:07 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on October 03, 2020, 08:41:29 AM
Love this guy
Post by: LeeB on October 03, 2020, 09:03:04 AM
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/premier-league/12087812/martinez-villa-is-as-step-up-for-me
Love this guy
He is going to be massive for us, not just with his undoubted ability, but what a fantastic attitude as well.
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on October 03, 2020, 09:04:28 AM
Wants European footy next year!https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/premier-league/12087812/martinez-villa-is-as-step-up-for-me
Love this guy
He is going to be massive for us, not just with his undoubted ability, but what a fantastic attitude as well.
Post by: richtheholtender on October 03, 2020, 11:02:05 AM
Wants European footy next year!https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/premier-league/12087812/martinez-villa-is-as-step-up-for-me
Great attitude. Let’s go for it!!
Love this guy
He is going to be massive for us, not just with his undoubted ability, but what a fantastic attitude as well.
Post by: Ads on October 03, 2020, 12:16:39 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 03, 2020, 12:32:39 PM
at least we'll get a good fee for him then.Wants European footy next year!https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/premier-league/12087812/martinez-villa-is-as-step-up-for-me
Love this guy
He is going to be massive for us, not just with his undoubted ability, but what a fantastic attitude as well.
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on October 03, 2020, 01:34:23 PM
Not the way he was talking :)at least we'll get a good fee for him then.Wants European footy next year!https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/premier-league/12087812/martinez-villa-is-as-step-up-for-me
Love this guy
He is going to be massive for us, not just with his undoubted ability, but what a fantastic attitude as well.
Post by: Dick Edwards on October 05, 2020, 11:40:45 AM
Wants European footy next year!https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/premier-league/12087812/martinez-villa-is-as-step-up-for-me
Great attitude. Let’s go for it!!
Love this guy
He is going to be massive for us, not just with his undoubted ability, but what a fantastic attitude as well.
Did anyone see Paul Merson's reaction to this interview on Sky Sports News on Saturday? He was astonished Emi was talking about European qualification after we only just survived being relegated a few months ago.
Typical lazy punditry, failing to recognise the team that finished last season won't be the one that begins after the transfer window closes.
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on October 05, 2020, 11:44:56 AM
True, but even we aren't (Weren't) expecting to jump into the top four in one go.Wants European footy next year!https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/premier-league/12087812/martinez-villa-is-as-step-up-for-me
Great attitude. Let’s go for it!!
Love this guy
He is going to be massive for us, not just with his undoubted ability, but what a fantastic attitude as well.
Did anyone see Paul Merson's reaction to this interview on Sky Sports News on Saturday? He was astonished Emi was talking about European qualification after we only just survived being relegated a few months ago.
Typical lazy punditry, failing to recognise the team that finished last season won't be the one that begins after the transfer window closes.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 05, 2020, 07:22:02 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 05, 2020, 07:29:59 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 05, 2020, 07:38:39 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 05, 2020, 08:29:00 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 07, 2020, 04:07:44 PM
https://twitter.com/indyfootball/status/1313841508299104263?s=21
Post by: john e on October 07, 2020, 04:13:54 PM
Martínez: “I told my wife just the other day, I feel like I’m so in love with football again, like I’ve never known before.”
https://twitter.com/indyfootball/status/1313841508299104263?s=21
Bet his Wife was well chuffed to hear that
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 07, 2020, 04:29:01 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 07, 2020, 05:14:02 PM
Now he just needs to tap up Messi whilst on international duty whilst Dougie's having a word with Neymar.
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 07, 2020, 06:59:39 PM
Great interview, seems like the Villa has made an impression on him and he comes across as a very decent guy.
Now he just needs to tap up Messi whilst on international duty whilst Dougie's having a word with Neymar.
Really good interview, really grounded and seems like he’s actually lived a life. He’s had a great start so far, love having him as our no 1
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 07, 2020, 08:02:20 PM
Great interview, seems like the Villa has made an impression on him and he comes across as a very decent guy.
Now he just needs to tap up Messi whilst on international duty whilst Dougie's having a word with Neymar.
Yeh Neymar isn’t displacing Jack, the fucking show pony. Place on the bench maybe.
Post by: supertom on October 07, 2020, 08:50:41 PM
Great interview, seems like the Villa has made an impression on him and he comes across as a very decent guy.Neymar wouldn't get in the team. ;D
Now he just needs to tap up Messi whilst on international duty whilst Dougie's having a word with Neymar.
Post by: purpletrousers on October 07, 2020, 09:45:24 PM
Martínez: “I told my wife just the other day, I feel like I’m so in love with football again, like I’ve never known before.”
https://twitter.com/indyfootball/status/1313841508299104263?s=21
Thanks for sharing. Reassuring how early we were after him, likely our most significant new signing for a long long time.
It does seem like his time has come and his taking his opportunity with us really feels like it’s a statement of where we are going, again we seem ahead of the curve in terms of where we might have hoped to be.
So good to have a sense of building up towards fulfilling our potential.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 07, 2020, 10:56:55 PM
And I can’t believe I wrote that after what we saw at times last year. It’s really great to see.
Post by: darren woolley on October 08, 2020, 11:15:08 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 08, 2020, 01:49:44 PM
Great interview, seems like the Villa has made an impression on him and he comes across as a very decent guy.Neymar is a diving Tosser, no thanks.
Now he just needs to tap up Messi whilst on international duty whilst Dougie's having a word with Neymar.
Post by: Tayls_7 on October 08, 2020, 02:16:59 PM
Post by: rougegorge on October 09, 2020, 12:07:45 PM
That's probably best if it stays that way, as they play at high altitude in Bolivia on Tuesday.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 09, 2020, 12:32:33 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 09, 2020, 02:14:09 PM
Good point, with him being 6' 5" the extra altitude could be an issue.
He'd come back looking like Dickie Davis.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 09, 2020, 02:23:47 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 09, 2020, 10:07:16 PM
He seems to be third choice and they only have qualifiers, no friendlies, for the foreseeable future so might be a little while before his first cap.
Their loss.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 09, 2020, 10:20:39 PM
Post by: darren woolley on November 08, 2020, 09:40:25 PM
Post by: LukeJames on November 08, 2020, 09:42:33 PM
Post by: Villan For Life on November 08, 2020, 09:53:46 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on December 12, 2020, 02:34:55 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 12, 2020, 02:39:01 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 12, 2020, 02:42:13 PM
Post by: Smirker on December 12, 2020, 02:44:46 PM
Thanks for joining us Emi.
Post by: sickbeggar on December 12, 2020, 02:46:11 PM
Post by: LukeJames on December 12, 2020, 03:00:18 PM
Post by: J on December 12, 2020, 03:27:15 PM
Probably worth 10 points over a season. Just lovely to have a really solid 'keeper for the first time in donkey's years.
Was just saying similar. First solid, reliable keeper we've had since Friedel.
Post by: OCD on December 12, 2020, 04:36:25 PM
Post by: nigel on December 12, 2020, 05:06:05 PM
He certainly walks the walk
Post by: darren woolley on December 12, 2020, 05:18:34 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 12, 2020, 05:50:52 PM
Post by: brontebilly on December 12, 2020, 06:00:57 PM
Probably worth 10 points over a season. Just lovely to have a really solid 'keeper for the first time in donkey's years.
Was just saying similar. First solid, reliable keeper we've had since Friedel.
Dominates his area far more than Friedel ever did
Martinez really looks the business
Post by: Risso on December 12, 2020, 06:03:35 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 12, 2020, 06:09:04 PM
Post by: Steve67 on December 12, 2020, 06:16:37 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 12, 2020, 07:22:56 PM
Post by: LukeJames on December 12, 2020, 07:34:54 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 21, 2020, 09:22:21 AM
Really that was a caution wasn't it?
Superb addition none the less and he was totally right to come here and leave that tawdry arsenal
Post by: Somniloquism on December 21, 2020, 09:31:07 AM
Post by: joe_c on December 21, 2020, 09:38:12 AM
Anyone else thinking "£17m for a 28 year old reserve with 15 appearances over six years, WTF?" or is it just me? This is more a comment on the madness of the market than the player who seems extremely solid in terms of ability and personality.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/familyguy/images/3/33/Buzz_Killington.jpg)
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 21, 2020, 10:07:40 AM
Surprisingly Sky didn't add it to the video highlights (same with Hause) so I don't know how bad it was or how much of a goal scoring chance it stopped.
Oh ok well he did it in first couple of mins or so led to their one and only chance from free kick shot
But it was right on the edge of right hand side of area and he came out but was just outside and uneccessary
The thing is Martinez has had this lapse before and previous form. If you saw FA Cup final this year vs Chelsea he handled it outside the box
Its still amateur and just outside so it's poor..just something that needs monitoring by him and Cutler to cut out anything like this.
Brilliant GK though interesting how he got away with out a yellow card though or even red
Which would have spoilt everything
Post by: OCD on December 21, 2020, 11:49:14 AM
This might be my worst hot take since suggesting Paul Jewell might be worth a punt as manager.Anyone else thinking "£17m for a 28 year old reserve with 15 appearances over six years, WTF?" or is it just me? This is more a comment on the madness of the market than the player who seems extremely solid in terms of ability and personality.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/familyguy/images/3/33/Buzz_Killington.jpg)
I think you saved yourself there by saying that he seems solid in terms of ability and personality.
Post by: Drummond on December 21, 2020, 03:29:26 PM
Surprisingly Sky didn't add it to the video highlights (same with Hause) so I don't know how bad it was or how much of a goal scoring chance it stopped.
Oh ok well he did it in first couple of mins or so led to their one and only chance from free kick shot
But it was right on the edge of right hand side of area and he came out but was just outside and uneccessary
The thing is Martinez has had this lapse before and previous form. If you saw FA Cup final this year vs Chelsea he handled it outside the box
Its still amateur and just outside so it's poor..just something that needs monitoring by him and Cutler to cut out anything like this.
Brilliant GK though interesting how he got away with out a yellow card though or even red
Which would have spoilt everything
He did what he needed to do. I wouldn't call it amateurish, more highly professional. And whilst I agree about potential yellow, it was never a red card.
Post by: Risso on December 21, 2020, 03:59:58 PM
Post by: darren woolley on December 21, 2020, 04:20:25 PM
Post by: paul_e on December 21, 2020, 05:10:46 PM
Surprisingly Sky didn't add it to the video highlights (same with Hause) so I don't know how bad it was or how much of a goal scoring chance it stopped.
Oh ok well he did it in first couple of mins or so led to their one and only chance from free kick shot
But it was right on the edge of right hand side of area and he came out but was just outside and uneccessary
The thing is Martinez has had this lapse before and previous form. If you saw FA Cup final this year vs Chelsea he handled it outside the box
Its still amateur and just outside so it's poor..just something that needs monitoring by him and Cutler to cut out anything like this.
Brilliant GK though interesting how he got away with out a yellow card though or even red
Which would have spoilt everything
He did what he needed to do. I wouldn't call it amateurish, more highly professional. And whilst I agree about potential yellow, it was never a red card.
I don't think it was even a yellow, ref got it right for me. If you look at where the ref places the ball he judged it a couple of inches outside the box and martinez dropped the ball almost immediately because he realised. given how often keepers throw the ball from the edge of their box I reckon handling the ball for a fraction of a second outside the box happens fairly often.
Post by: darren woolley on December 26, 2020, 05:13:35 PM
Post by: LukeJames on December 26, 2020, 05:15:22 PM
Post by: nigel on December 26, 2020, 06:00:17 PM
Best signing of the summer by any club.
Without a shadow of doubt.
£18m bargain.
I really can’t believe we got him.
Post by: clash city rocker on December 26, 2020, 06:00:48 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2020, 06:21:24 PM
Post by: Colhint on December 26, 2020, 06:29:34 PM
Post by: Martin Carruthers on December 26, 2020, 06:31:27 PM
Post by: supertom on December 26, 2020, 06:33:39 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 26, 2020, 06:37:44 PM
Was a huge save first minute aswell.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 26, 2020, 06:39:57 PM
How did Arsenal not know he was quite this good? The fans seemed to. I wouldn't say they've been blessed with great keepers in the last 10 years. Cech was never close to his Chelsea pomp. Jay Leno is decent, but this good? Not convinced (and certainly not based on the respective seasons).
Could be just Arteta rating Leno more although Martinez was amazing in their FA cup run.
Get the feeling their board put pressure on him to sell given they were getting 15m for a squad player and Arsenal have shortfall in cash now they don't play in champions league much.
To our benefit. Imagine if we'd signed some joker like Aaron Ramsdale instead as was briefly rumoured.
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 27, 2020, 08:41:41 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 27, 2020, 08:53:32 AM
Post by: Villa Lew on December 27, 2020, 12:37:14 PM
Post by: Ads on December 27, 2020, 12:40:18 PM
Post by: supertom on December 27, 2020, 01:30:38 PM
His handling is superb, so many shots and crosses he could've easily spilled back into six yard box but held on comfortably.Compare to the other end and our first goal. Their keeper palms it to the centre of the six yard line. Having saved a shot from an acute angle. A tad harsh but he should have done better. Emi would have done better.
Was a huge save first minute aswell.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 27, 2020, 01:33:37 PM
Post by: dave shelley on December 27, 2020, 01:54:56 PM
Post by: KevinGage on December 27, 2020, 02:14:13 PM
Better than Bozzie for me, as he can distribute the ball very well.
To go from Nyland to this lad is some leap.
As is having a fully fledged Brazil international in the centre of the park instead of Westwood or Whelan.
If you'd told me this 2/3 seasons ago I probably wouldn't have believed you.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 27, 2020, 02:32:35 PM
His handling is superb, so many shots and crosses he could've easily spilled back into six yard box but held on comfortably.Compare to the other end and our first goal. Their keeper palms it to the centre of the six yard line. Having saved a shot from an acute angle. A tad harsh but he should have done better. Emi would have done better.
Was a huge save first minute aswell.
Guaita's a decent keeper with the odd mistake like the Kane shot the other week.
I actually think the standard of keeping is really high now and there's very few poor keepers around in the prem compared to 15-20 years back. Interesting watching highlights of 90s era and how many low shots would just trickle in to the corner with keeper slowly diving and no one would even see it as an error unlike today.
Bozzy was top class but look back to season reviews of 96 and 97 and he didn't half make lots of errors rushing out and bumping into Ugo or Southgate. He'd really struggle in the modern game with how bad his kicking was.
I rate most prem keepers, even Pickford who's not terrible but suffers from incredible scrutiny an England number 1 gets. Think the worst by far is Ramsdale who I thought was awful at Bournemouth last season and so was a bit nervous when I heard we were supposed to be interested in the summer. Sad to say but Nyland was very much bottom 3 standard last year bar the two Leicester cup games. That's example of keeper who just spreads panic throughout a defence.
Lots of good number 2s around aswell when you think Martinez was one, Heaton is now one and he's been top 10 standard last few seasons and the guy making all these incredible saves for Newcastle this season isn't even their first choice.
Heats was good for us last season but have to say Martinez all round game is different level, comfortable top 6 standard keeper in this league so pretty much world class and only a matter of time before he becomes Argentina number one. We could easily get 40-50m for him if that happened.
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 27, 2020, 02:41:02 PM
I thought their 'keeper had a decent game too.
He certainly did, grrrrr!
Post by: Demitri_C on December 28, 2020, 09:49:04 PM
Post by: Damo70 on December 30, 2020, 11:19:35 PM
Post by: andyh on December 30, 2020, 11:24:25 PM
Even his short back and sides and proper parting.
Post by: eamonn on December 31, 2020, 12:38:42 AM
Better than Bozzie for me, as he can distribute the ball very well.
Let's see if he can match him in penalty shoot-outs next week in the cup against Liverpool.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 31, 2020, 01:07:16 AM
Post by: FatSam on December 31, 2020, 01:30:12 AM
Everything about Emi is top.He looks the business, and is somehow supremely convincing even before he has touched the ball. Not just his stature and appearance, but how he holds himself. Nyland was never this, nor was Elphick in another position, who just didn’t look or move like a centre back to me. I would probably have said the same about Ormondroyd though, and appreciate that it should probably be filed under ‘proper football man’ bullshit.
Even his short back and sides and proper parting.
Post by: nigel on December 31, 2020, 10:28:37 AM
Emi has galvanised the defence and you can see they have 100% trust in him.
His arrival also coincides with our best ever goalkeeper shirts, too.
Post by: Morleys left boot on December 31, 2020, 10:39:23 AM
Post by: CT on December 31, 2020, 11:24:56 AM
He won't be playing in the FA Cup match against Liverpool.
Might be worth having him on the bench and bring him on for the penalty shoot out. Which we'll ultimately win.
Post by: TelfordVilla on December 31, 2020, 11:30:42 AM
Post by: UK Redsox on December 31, 2020, 11:37:59 AM
Post by: Dr Butler on December 31, 2020, 11:38:20 AM
I'm so glad we have him down the Villa
UTV
The Doc
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 31, 2020, 12:24:08 PM
it is hard to understand why Arteta let him go, the lad is great and I believe a better keeper than the other keeper at Arse who's name escapes me.
I'm so glad we have him down the Villa
UTV
The Doc
Can’t agree more Doc, what was Arteta thinking......thank God he wasn’t, their loss is our gain.
Post by: paul_e on December 31, 2020, 12:39:56 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 31, 2020, 01:02:44 PM
Post by: paul_e on December 31, 2020, 01:04:15 PM
Arsenal board wanted to sell him to make up shortfall on continual lack of CL income. Think that played a part in Arteta's decision.
Almost certainly, there's not much point in having a £20m keeper sat in the stands every week.
Post by: OCD on December 31, 2020, 02:38:57 PM
Post by: Dr Butler on December 31, 2020, 02:45:07 PM
Arsenal board wanted to sell him to make up shortfall on continual lack of CL income. Think that played a part in Arteta's decision.
Almost certainly, there's not much point in having a £20m keeper sat in the stands every week.
yep that all makes sense
UTV
The Doc
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 31, 2020, 02:59:18 PM
That is a sign of progress
Post by: paul_e on December 31, 2020, 05:04:51 PM
We now have one valued around £10 mil sitting on our bench
That is a sign of progress
and if he asked to leave so he can play regularly I'd hope we'd be willing to at least discuss it. Goalkeepers are very different to outfield players because a 2nd choice can spend 2-3 seasons in that role and play no more than a handful of games, finding someone who is happy to do that and still give you 100% when he gets gametime is hard, particularly once they're over about 24-25.
Post by: OCD on December 31, 2020, 05:20:54 PM
Post by: nigel on December 31, 2020, 05:21:52 PM
I think we were only expecting to pay £7/8m originally and were a little shocked when they demanded £20m. He's been justifying that price though.
Smith has said he knew a keeper of his quality wouldn’t come along often. So I’d doubt we were expecting to pay £7/8m.
I think our first offer was around £14, going by media reports.
Post by: OCD on December 31, 2020, 05:24:21 PM
Post by: nigel on December 31, 2020, 05:24:30 PM
Jed Steer is still a very good goalkeeper and it sounds like we've got a couple of good keepers coming through the youth ranks so if someone did want to pay good money for Heaton, we would be in a good condition to accept it.
Agree.
I’m actually surprised no one has come in for Jed. I think he’s a great keeper
Post by: nigel on December 31, 2020, 05:27:58 PM
There were still reports that we were a little taken aback by their price tag when we approached them.
Stand corrected then, mate.
I hadn’t heard that.
I just gathered from the bits I read that we offered £14m they wanted £20m and eventually we met them just over half way
Post by: LeeB on December 31, 2020, 08:21:28 PM
Jed Steer is still a very good goalkeeper and it sounds like we've got a couple of good keepers coming through the youth ranks so if someone did want to pay good money for Heaton, we would be in a good condition to accept it.
Agree.
I’m actually surprised no one has come in for Jed. I think he’s a great keeper
I agree, although he had that injury so that's probably why.
Post by: paul_e on December 31, 2020, 08:52:48 PM
Sinisalo looks a very good prospect as the long term 2nd choice, looked really good for the reserves last season and has had really good reviews from his loan spell this season.
Post by: LukeJames on December 31, 2020, 09:00:29 PM
I wouldn't swap him for anybody in the League.
Post by: paul_e on December 31, 2020, 09:04:50 PM
You know what I love about him, he can undoubtably play out from the back but first and foremost he is a keeper. Liverpool and Man City payed £95m between them on keepers that could first and foremost play out from the back.
I wouldn't swap him for anybody in the League.
I don't agree on Alisson, he's a fantastic goalkeeper in all ways and, like Emi for us, their defenders all play better with him in because of the confidence he inspires.
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 31, 2020, 09:21:26 PM
14 games is nothing in the grand scale, of things and we don't know how it will pan out in the long term, but so far he is fast becoming my favourite villa keeper. Shot stopping, calmness, he actually organises the defence and catches crosses, he oozes confidence and creates team spirit, and also seems from the outside looking in, a really nice bloke.
Also, his long passing to Grealish and others is so accurate, just the buy off he season so far.
Post by: Risso on December 31, 2020, 10:52:30 PM
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 01, 2021, 07:32:28 AM
Martinez seems to be the complete keeper. Great stopper, and commands his area superbly. I also like his decision making, in a split second he decides whether to launch a quick attack, or wait until players have got into position.
His distribution is excellent.
Post by: exigo on January 01, 2021, 11:20:37 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 01, 2021, 11:21:24 AM
Good with both feet as well, which makes a massive difference. I don't miss the days of watching in terror as the ball rolls back to our keeper's 'wrong' foot.I used to dread the ball rolling back to Bosnich's stronger foot.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 01, 2021, 11:32:07 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 01, 2021, 11:45:06 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 23, 2021, 10:57:19 PM
Post by: Risso on January 23, 2021, 10:59:30 PM
Good with both feet as well, which makes a massive difference. I don't miss the days of watching in terror as the ball rolls back to our keeper's 'wrong' foot.I used to dread the ball rolling back to Bosnich's stronger foot.
Foot like a 50p piece.
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 23, 2021, 11:04:19 PM
Good with both feet as well, which makes a massive difference. I don't miss the days of watching in terror as the ball rolls back to our keeper's 'wrong' foot.I used to dread the ball rolling back to Bosnich's stronger foot.
Foot like a 50p piece.
Knees bent, arms stretched, save save save.
Post by: LukeJames on January 23, 2021, 11:07:51 PM
Is he left or right footed?
I genuinly dont kniw, comfortabke wiru thboth
Post by: brontebilly on January 23, 2021, 11:08:09 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 23, 2021, 11:12:37 PM
If we get an injury crisis he could even do a job centre-half, IMO.
Argentina's first two goalkeepers must be fucking amazing if he's third choice.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 23, 2021, 11:14:53 PM
The way he came through a crowd of players to emerge with the ball and immediately launch it fifty yards straight to a Villa player was majestic. Can't think of another Villa goalkeeper who could have done that this century.
If we get an injury crisis he could even do a job centre-half, IMO.
He's alright but as brontebilly might point out doesn't score enough for me.
Post by: itbrvilla on January 24, 2021, 12:08:37 AM
Hard to believe this guy was a backup keeper for so many years. He looks the best keeper in the division. Doesn't seem to have a single weakness and a playmaker at the back with both feet.Can't be many keepers world wide in the form he's in at present. Some of his saves have been incredible.
Edit: found a link to an analysis site:
https://www.footballcritic.com/top-players/goalkeepers
Post by: Risso on January 24, 2021, 12:50:20 AM
Post by: Damo70 on January 24, 2021, 02:16:22 AM
We absolutely robbed Arsenal blind. Complete and utter daylight robbery, they must feel sick as a dog seeing his displays week after week.
I must admit I didn't have much knowledge of him until we signed him but he has impressed the hell out of me so far. I know he cost us a few quid but he is worth his weight in gold. Why Arsenal let him go I don't understand. He was the best keeper on their books.
Post by: Ian. on January 24, 2021, 09:39:35 AM
Post by: CT on January 24, 2021, 10:06:17 AM
Quite a few times, a through ball which has put us in potential danger gets mopped up because he’s already spotted it.
As mentioned, we’ve robbed Arsenal blind.
Post by: FatSam on January 24, 2021, 10:14:20 AM
Interesting that two of the top six are ones we’ve signed in the last 5 years.Hard to believe this guy was a backup keeper for so many years. He looks the best keeper in the division. Doesn't seem to have a single weakness and a playmaker at the back with both feet.Can't be many keepers world wide in the form he's in at present. Some of his saves have been incredible.
Edit: found a link to an analysis site:
https://www.footballcritic.com/top-players/goalkeepers
Post by: Astnor on January 24, 2021, 10:23:35 AM
Pepe Reina is there at number 23. He didnt fill me with confidence when with us.Interesting that two of the top six are ones we’ve signed in the last 5 years.Hard to believe this guy was a backup keeper for so many years. He looks the best keeper in the division. Doesn't seem to have a single weakness and a playmaker at the back with both feet.Can't be many keepers world wide in the form he's in at present. Some of his saves have been incredible.
Edit: found a link to an analysis site:
https://www.footballcritic.com/top-players/goalkeepers
Post by: Ads on January 24, 2021, 10:24:39 AM
We absolutely robbed Arsenal blind. Complete and utter daylight robbery, they must feel sick as a dog seeing his displays week after week.
They should do, but their fans seem to think he's gone back to being average".
He's a magnificent keeper and should be the Argentina number 1 before too long, which will be quite the accolade, especially with Dougie being in the Brazilian XI as well.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 24, 2021, 10:26:25 AM
Post by: Ads on January 24, 2021, 10:28:37 AM
Who is the Argentine No1?
Somebody very, very good if he's keeping Marrinez out!
Franco Armani who plays for River Plate apparently.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 24, 2021, 10:29:59 AM
Post by: Risso on January 24, 2021, 10:32:14 AM
Who is the Argentine No1?
This is quite an interesting article. It's from last summer, but says it's been a problem position which surprised me. Martinez is so good I thought they must have some 6'10" thunderbastard with hands like dinner plates and the reflexes of a cat who is keeping him out.
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/argentina-arg/story/4135474/arsenal-keeper-emiliano-martinez-may-still-have-a-future-as-argentinas-no-1
Post by: Steve67 on January 24, 2021, 10:37:54 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 24, 2021, 10:42:37 AM
Post by: Ads on January 24, 2021, 10:43:23 AM
Friedel couldn't dominate his area and Bozzie had poor distribution. Martinez comes and claims everything, he is quick off his line, he can pass (funny Carragher going here is Beckenbauer when in possession), he has great reactions and he is also an excellent shot stopper.
He's easily one of the top 3 keepers in the league.
Post by: TopDeck113 on January 24, 2021, 11:00:59 AM
We've had some really good goalkeepers down the years, but Martinez looks the most complete.
Of the last three that won us trophies, Rimmer was exceptionally brave and marshalled (for which read, bollocked) his defence continuously. Spink was an excellent shot stopper considering his large frame but never really commanded the whole area and as such didn't inspire those in front of him with the confidence that they had in his immediate predecessor. Bosnich arguably the best shot stopper, certainly from close range, we've had, but with the advent of the no pass-back rule his distribution with his feet was a liability: even his drop kicks far too often ended up going for opposition throws.
No one would ever deny that Schmeichel, Friedel and, most recently, Reina were great keepers, but they came to us past their peak. The "has been" names that were for too long the Villa way in the transfer market.
Post by: LukeJames on January 24, 2021, 11:03:29 AM
Post by: Clampy on January 24, 2021, 11:13:36 AM
Post by: TopDeck113 on January 24, 2021, 12:24:12 PM
I didn't think David James was too bad for us either to be honest. He seemed a bit more focused when he came to us. Martinez has been very very good though. You just know that he is going to come and claim the ball nine times out of ten.
In my mind, David James's Villa career will always be tainted be the goal in the Cup Final. In fact, his entire career is tainted by the two goals he conceded in two of three Cup Finals he played in: two set piece crosses, two mistakes, two goals that settled the outcome.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 24, 2021, 12:34:46 PM
Post by: chrisf on January 24, 2021, 12:35:20 PM
In my mind, David James's Villa career will always be tainted be the goal in the Cup Final.I didn't know that. Couldn't see clearly on the day and have spent the last twenty years trying to erase the memory. Just watched it for the first time on youtube. Pretty shit keeping.
Post by: Clampy on January 24, 2021, 12:39:37 PM
I didn't think David James was too bad for us either to be honest. He seemed a bit more focused when he came to us. Martinez has been very very good though. You just know that he is going to come and claim the ball nine times out of ten.
In my mind, David James's Villa career will always be tainted be the goal in the Cup Final. In fact, his entire career is tainted by the two goals he conceded in two of three Cup Finals he played in: two set piece crosses, two mistakes, two goals that settled the outcome.
Forgot about that to be honest. Mind you, that whole 90 minutes was forgettable.
Post by: john e on January 24, 2021, 12:50:09 PM
His distribution is unreal. That sideways leg swing technique thing he does for long passes is so accurate.
It’s like David Beckham quality only in goalie form
Post by: curiousorange on January 24, 2021, 12:58:57 PM
I didn't think David James was too bad for us either to be honest. He seemed a bit more focused when he came to us. Martinez has been very very good though. You just know that he is going to come and claim the ball nine times out of ten.
In my mind, David James's Villa career will always be tainted be the goal in the Cup Final. In fact, his entire career is tainted by the two goals he conceded in two of three Cup Finals he played in: two set piece crosses, two mistakes, two goals that settled the outcome.
That's all I ever think of when somebody mentions David James. Whatever positive things he did, I can only ever think, "you dropped the FA Cup".
Post by: darren woolley on January 24, 2021, 01:58:29 PM
Post by: trinityoap on January 24, 2021, 02:23:57 PM
2.inspires confidence
3.Dominates his area
4.Actually catches the bloody ball
5.Knows how and when to distribute the ball
6.Can probably take penalties.
7.Can become Villa's best goalkeeper in living memory.
8.Enough said.
Post by: john e on January 24, 2021, 02:27:28 PM
1.Exudes confidence
2.inspires confidence
3.Dominates his area
4.Actually catches the bloody ball
5.Knows how and when to distribute the ball
6.Can probably take penalties.
7.Can become Villa's best goalkeeper in living memory.
8.Enough said.
Apart from Heaton for a short time numbers 3 + 4 we have lacked for some time
Post by: nigel on January 24, 2021, 02:44:40 PM
He's the most complete keeper I've seen.
Friedel couldn't dominate his area and Bozzie had poor distribution. Martinez comes and claims everything, he is quick off his line, he can pass (funny Carragher going here is Beckenbauer when in possession), he has great reactions and he is also an excellent shot stopper.
He's easily one of the top 3 keepers in the league.
For Emi to be mentioned alongside Rimmer and Spink (my two best keepers) as Villa’s best keeper is testament to how good he is.
It’s actually difficult to see how he can improve!
Post by: D.boy on January 24, 2021, 06:24:58 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 25, 2021, 01:05:47 AM
Who is the Argentine No1?
Somebody very, very good if he's keeping Marrinez out!
Franco Armani who plays for River Plate apparently.
He's not very good at all. Argentina have this weird thing where they always seem to play some local league players ahead of guys doing well in europe.
Made an awful error in Libertadores recently:
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2021, 09:57:24 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2021, 10:13:08 PM
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Post by: nigel on January 31, 2021, 11:58:04 AM
He was incredible but...I think he was a bit fortunate with that dropped catch when Romeu barely touched him and scored.
Maybe, but if he wasn’t touched he wouldn’t have dropped it.
It’s just like the pundits going on about the non penalty.
Carragher ‘Yes, it slightly touched his leg before his hand, it was so slight it’s got to be a penalty’
Err, no, it says in the rules, read them!
Post by: darren woolley on January 31, 2021, 01:25:02 PM
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Post by: andyh on February 02, 2021, 09:08:05 AM
the first time there’s a full Holte End this fella’s going to get the welcome he deserves I’m sureToo right.
He won’t know what’s hit him.
Post by: CT on February 06, 2021, 10:08:32 AM
https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/status/1357985267785863168?s=21
Post by: The Edge on February 06, 2021, 10:31:37 AM
the first time there’s a full Holte End this fella’s going to get the welcome he deserves I’m sureBloody hell that will be an emotional day. I'm normally in the Trinity but would love to be in the Holte for the first game back.
Post by: brontebilly on February 06, 2021, 11:29:10 AM
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 06, 2021, 04:47:18 PM
Post by: Matt C on February 06, 2021, 05:09:32 PM
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 06, 2021, 05:13:17 PM
Certainly one of the best keepers in all my years watching Villa
(Approaching 60 years)
Post by: darren woolley on February 06, 2021, 06:05:31 PM
Post by: darren woolley on February 06, 2021, 06:14:02 PM
Made the goal with wonderful distribution to Bertie.
That was a brilliant pass by him.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 06, 2021, 07:18:57 PM
Post by: gpbarr on February 06, 2021, 07:24:09 PM
A proper Villa legend in the making
Post by: Bobby Boy on February 06, 2021, 07:26:23 PM
Having a consistent back 5 all season has been one of the principal reasons for our success so far.
The defence all know each other's games and know that they can trust the keeper.
Keep this 5 together, no injuries, for the next 17 games and really, who knows?
Post by: Diablo on February 06, 2021, 09:25:48 PM
The interview was before the Arsenal match on BT I think.
Post by: nigel on February 06, 2021, 09:37:57 PM
In an interview Martinez said he wanted to beat the club record of clean sheets in one season (as he's now got his target of 10) does anyone know what the record is?
Without checking I thought today was 11?
Now I’d better go and check 🙄
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 06, 2021, 09:50:34 PM
Post by: Diablo on February 06, 2021, 10:03:00 PM
Yeah I think you're right pretty sure he's now on 11 but what is the club all time record for clean sheets in a season?In an interview Martinez said he wanted to beat the club record of clean sheets in one season (as he's now got his target of 10) does anyone know what the record is?
Without checking I thought today was 11?
Now I’d better go and check 🙄
Post by: Clampy on February 06, 2021, 10:04:24 PM
He has been an absolute bargain at £17m so far.
Post by: Risso on February 06, 2021, 10:09:28 PM
And to think there was a suggestion that he should be dropped.
He has been an absolute bargain at £17m so far.
By one person. The way you go on about it you'd think there'd been a nationwide petition.
Post by: Clampy on February 06, 2021, 10:13:32 PM
And to think there was a suggestion that he should be dropped.
He has been an absolute bargain at £17m so far.
By one person. The way you go on about it you'd think there'd been a nationwide petition.
Hence why I said 'suggestion'. Do keep up.
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 06, 2021, 10:17:59 PM
In an interview Martinez said he wanted to beat the club record of clean sheets in one season (as he's now got his target of 10) does anyone know what the record is?
Without checking I thought today was 11?
Now I’d better go and check 🙄
Depends if it's one of those "premier league era" ones he means.
38 games
95/96- 13
96/97- 19 (that surprised me)
98/99- 15
99/00- 16
08/09- 13
09/10- 15
Post by: Diablo on February 06, 2021, 11:20:42 PM
Wow! So it looks as though 20 is his new target so we're gonna need 9 more.In an interview Martinez said he wanted to beat the club record of clean sheets in one season (as he's now got his target of 10) does anyone know what the record is?
Without checking I thought today was 11?
Now I’d better go and check 🙄
Depends if it's one of those "premier league era" ones he means.
38 games
95/96- 13
96/97- 19 (that surprised me)
98/99- 15
99/00- 16
08/09- 13
09/10- 15
Thanks SoccerHQ for the stats.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 07, 2021, 11:03:09 AM
Just heard his post arsenal match interview. He is a leader on the pitch and in the dressing room. A tremendous signing.
Post by: eamonn on February 07, 2021, 11:16:46 AM
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Post by: Risso on February 07, 2021, 11:57:57 AM
We kept clean sheets in half of our games in 1996/97 and still only finished 5th?! Blimey.
Pissed me off so much. 2nd, 3rd and 4th place were all tied on 68 points, 7 ahead of us. Goal scoring was the problem that year compared to the top 4. We really chucked it away in the last 5 matches, with only one win.
Post by: Dave on February 07, 2021, 01:29:22 PM
Thought he looked a little nervy against Southampton and West Ham, but was back to his assured best yesterday. For a keeper who is not from this country, he is so good in the air from crosses. Been an excellent signing.
Do they not do crosses in other countries?
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2021, 01:40:20 PM
Thought he looked a little nervy against Southampton and West Ham, but was back to his assured best yesterday. For a keeper who is not from this country, he is so good in the air from crosses. Been an excellent signing.
Do they not do crosses in other countries?
They're banned in the EU, due to the vampire paedophile cabal that run it, that's why Kallinic and Nyland were shit.
Post by: Diablo on February 07, 2021, 02:44:21 PM
We kept clean sheets in half of our games in 1996/97 and still only finished 5th?! Blimey.Think we'll probably need something similar to be in with a chance of finishing in the dizzy heights of 7th this time around (crazy!).
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2021, 02:46:45 PM
We kept clean sheets in half of our games in 1996/97 and still only finished 5th?! Blimey.Think we'll probably need something similar to be in with a chance of finishing in the dizzy heights of 7th this time around (crazy!).
We only scored 47 goals that season, and we've got 36 already.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 07, 2021, 02:59:07 PM
Thought he looked a little nervy against Southampton and West Ham, but was back to his assured best yesterday. For a keeper who is not from this country, he is so good in the air from crosses. Been an excellent signing.
Do they not do crosses in other countries?
They're banned in the EU, due to the vampire paedophile cabal that run it, that's why Kallinic and Nyland were shit.
Every single European club game and England international in the 90s. "We need to test this keeper with some high balls, he looks iffy on them". Can't remember it ever working. Football equivalent of Corporal Jones saying they don't like it up 'em. Hadn't heard it much since Big Ron got booted off the box.
Post by: darren woolley on February 07, 2021, 06:02:56 PM
Post by: OCD on February 07, 2021, 07:07:34 PM
Post by: Dave on February 07, 2021, 07:43:06 PM
Thought he looked a little nervy against Southampton and West Ham, but was back to his assured best yesterday. For a keeper who is not from this country, he is so good in the air from crosses. Been an excellent signing.
Do they not do crosses in other countries?
They're banned in the EU, due to the vampire paedophile cabal that run it, that's why Kallinic and Nyland were shit.
Every single European club game and England international in the 90s. "We need to test this keeper with some high balls, he looks iffy on them". Can't remember it ever working. Football equivalent of Corporal Jones saying they don't like it up 'em. Hadn't heard it much since Big Ron got booted off the box.
Van Der Sar, Schmeichel, Cech should probably have asked for a few pointers from Scott Carson. He'd have set them right.
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2021, 08:05:12 PM
Thought he looked a little nervy against Southampton and West Ham, but was back to his assured best yesterday. For a keeper who is not from this country, he is so good in the air from crosses. Been an excellent signing.
Do they not do crosses in other countries?
They're banned in the EU, due to the vampire paedophile cabal that run it, that's why Kallinic and Nyland were shit.
Every single European club game and England international in the 90s. "We need to test this keeper with some high balls, he looks iffy on them". Can't remember it ever working. Football equivalent of Corporal Jones saying they don't like it up 'em. Hadn't heard it much since Big Ron got booted off the box.
Van Der Sar, Schmeichel, Cech should probably have asked for a few pointers from Scott Carson. He'd have set them right.
Their careers took ages to come to an end, Carson pretty much achieved it overnight. Lightweights.
Post by: richtheholtender on February 12, 2021, 09:20:26 AM
Post by: eamonn on February 12, 2021, 09:30:31 AM
Post by: FatSam on February 12, 2021, 10:34:34 AM
Is Carson still at Man City living the dream (seriously - no pressure, surrounded by the best players in the world. Even Stuart Taylor must be envious)?
He is, and according to this site (https://www.spotrac.com/epl/manchester-city-fc/payroll/) [whose reliability was seriously questioned on another thread], he is on £25k/ week.
I haven't read it, but I've heard an article about reserve goalkeepers being discussed on a podcast recently. Stuart Taylor, who apparently made 75 first team appearances in a 21-year professional career, was mentioned. That is verging on Carlos "Kaiser" Henrique Raposo territory. Again, according to this site (https://www.spotrac.com/epl/southampton-fc/payroll/2016/) he was on £5k/ week as a 36-year old 4th choice keeper at Soton in 2017.
Post by: eamonn on February 12, 2021, 11:37:49 AM
Post by: john e on February 12, 2021, 11:39:12 AM
Just on talkSPORT made comparisons between Jack and Messi
Meltdown in Leeds
Post by: Mellin on February 12, 2021, 09:53:33 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on February 13, 2021, 01:38:18 AM
Post by: eamonn on February 13, 2021, 10:13:15 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 13, 2021, 10:03:52 PM
Lady in Red.
I've never seen you playing so lovely as you did tonight,
I've never seen you shine so bright,
I've never seen so many men ask how he catches without a glance
I'm looking at your goalkeeping stance, never letting in a chance,
And I have never seen such saves you're making
Your TV highlights that I care, You catch my eyes,
I have been blind,
Emiiiilo Martinezzzzz is the best goalie, week to week,
There's no crowds we hear, it's just Sky and BT
It's how we have to see
But we already know this beauty in our side,
I'll never forget the way Emi played tonight
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 13, 2021, 10:11:11 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 13, 2021, 10:21:28 PM
Post by: OzVilla on February 13, 2021, 10:22:06 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 13, 2021, 10:24:52 PM
pure and simple.
All the musicians are out tonight.
Post by: richtheholtender on February 13, 2021, 10:43:28 PM
Emi “No not really”
Love the guy and what he stands for
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 13, 2021, 10:45:51 PM
Post by: Colhint on February 14, 2021, 12:06:23 AM
Post by: Risso on February 14, 2021, 12:17:25 AM
Post by: KevinGage on February 14, 2021, 12:26:46 AM
Post by: TonyD on February 14, 2021, 12:48:58 AM
He is the best keeper I’ve seen for us for 20 years.
Let’s not get carried away though.
There wasn’t all the cameras and TV coverage of Rimmer, Spinks and Bosnich.
But he is the easily the best keeper in the PL. at the moment
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 14, 2021, 01:32:33 AM
I wouldn’t change him for any keeper in world football. He’s bloody brilliant.
Yup. Best since Jimmy Rimmer. I almost feel sorry for opposition attackers, you finally find a way through our defence and there is this man-mountain of a keeper sitting behind them. He certainly saved us (again) tonight.
Post by: algy on February 14, 2021, 09:00:38 AM
I wouldn’t change him for any keeper in world football. He’s bloody brilliant.This, all day long.
Post by: colin69 on February 14, 2021, 09:06:04 AM
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Post by: saunders_heroes on February 14, 2021, 12:31:43 PM
Post by: darren woolley on February 14, 2021, 02:04:33 PM
Post by: darren woolley on February 14, 2021, 02:05:28 PM
I wouldn’t change him for any keeper in world football. He’s bloody brilliant.
Totally agree with you Paul.
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 14, 2021, 07:20:30 PM
I wouldn’t change him for any keeper in world football. He’s bloody brilliant.
Totally agree with you Paul.
Another agree
Post by: Ads on February 14, 2021, 07:24:13 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 14, 2021, 07:31:28 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 14, 2021, 10:51:34 PM
He's the best pound-for-pound, like a goalkeeping Floyd Mayweather.
Post by: Alex77 on February 15, 2021, 08:00:35 AM
Post by: Risso on February 15, 2021, 09:04:01 AM
There may be a better shotstopper
Say what now?
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 15, 2021, 09:05:56 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 15, 2021, 11:20:22 AM
Post by: LeeB on February 15, 2021, 11:22:56 AM
There may be a better shotstopper
Say what now?
I don't think there is, but was trying to underline his all round brilliance.
Post by: villa for life on February 16, 2021, 05:43:57 AM
The Argentine is looking every bit a top-four keeper and if he can't achieve it with Villa I suggest he does it with someone else.”
Interesting topic though... how many top four players we have: I’d say 2/3 in Martinez, Jack and maybe Konsa. Expand it to top six, and I think Mings might make it. Top 8 -10team, most of the rest, which is why we are where we are. So our next goal should be to add a couple of really top quality players to push on and become a top six club.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 16, 2021, 07:54:04 AM
Cheeky comment from Garth Crooks on the bbc website, team of the week. Regarding Martinez, he writes...
The Argentine is looking every bit a top-four keeper and if he can't achieve it with Villa I suggest he does it with someone else.”
Crooks really is a twat.
Aubemeyang and Kane look every bit top four players, if they can't achieve it with the teams they are in who are below Villa has he suggested they do it somewhere else ?
Post by: danno on February 16, 2021, 09:01:50 AM
Cheeky comment from Garth Crooks on the bbc website, team of the week. Regarding Martinez, he writes...
The Argentine is looking every bit a top-four keeper and if he can't achieve it with Villa I suggest he does it with someone else.”
Crooks really is a twat.
Aubemeyang and Kane look every bit top four players, if they can't achieve it with the teams they are in who are below Villa has he suggested they do it somewhere else ?
He kind of has with Kane, not in a "he should leave" type of way. He's said that he will leave if Tottenham don't win anything.
He touts players to leave every other week. Last season every time Wolves won a game he was suggesting Jimenez for Man United.
He really is just a Twat.
Post by: john2710 on February 16, 2021, 10:06:02 AM
Every player has a price, we don’t need to sell, we don’t want to sell.
The going rate for a top four keeper is £80m+.
Post by: algy on February 16, 2021, 06:59:49 PM
Cheeky comment from Garth Crooks on the bbc website, team of the week. Regarding Martinez, he writes...For me: Jack, Martinez, Mings, Douglas Luiz - definitely all Champions League quality. Konsa is approaching that level, Watkins I'd say is also quite close.
The Argentine is looking every bit a top-four keeper and if he can't achieve it with Villa I suggest he does it with someone else.”
Interesting topic though... how many top four players we have: I’d say 2/3 in Martinez, Jack and maybe Konsa. Expand it to top six, and I think Mings might make it. Top 8 -10team, most of the rest, which is why we are where we are. So our next goal should be to add a couple of really top quality players to push on and become a top six club.
I'd say there's then a group of SJM, Targett, Cash, and Traore that look like decent squad players in a top 6 side.
After that, I think there's a bit of a drop off. Trez, El Goalzi, Heaton, Barkley - they're all serviceable mid table players but not sure they're much more than that. Nakamba, Hause, Ramsey (at the moment) are relegation fodder in a first team for me, but alright for squad players. Taylor, Elmo, Steer, Engels - I think they are probably Championship players.
I'll reserve judgement on Sanson and Wesley. Not seen much of Sanson, and Wes is injured.
I think we've got the core of a top 4/6 side now, but don't have anything like the squad depth required. That's great progress, although there's still more to do. Like to see us replace Taylor, Engels, Barkley, Nakamba and El Goalzie in the summer. Steer's fine as a third choice keeper and I'd be alright with Freddy filling in for Cash next season -- replacing those 5 seem the ones where we could start to make inroads in to the upper echelons.
Edit: worth saying that I rate Ramsey and see him as a longer term option. I'd just worry if he was getting regular games right now - I think regular subs appearances are exactly the right way to go about getting him in to the first team, with maybe an odd start later in the season if we've nothing to play for.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 17, 2021, 11:13:32 AM
Cheeky comment from Garth Crooks on the bbc website, team of the week. Regarding Martinez, he writes...
The Argentine is looking every bit a top-four keeper and if he can't achieve it with Villa I suggest he does it with someone else.”
Interesting topic though... how many top four players we have: I’d say 2/3 in Martinez, Jack and maybe Konsa. Expand it to top six, and I think Mings might make it. Top 8 -10team, most of the rest, which is why we are where we are. So our next goal should be to add a couple of really top quality players to push on and become a top six club.
Maybe Ollie Watkins is top 4 because every Leicester fan I know i gutted they didn sign him as they are in second place at the moment :)
Post by: brontebilly on February 17, 2021, 11:22:27 AM
Cheeky comment from Garth Crooks on the bbc website, team of the week. Regarding Martinez, he writes...For me: Jack, Martinez, Mings, Douglas Luiz - definitely all Champions League quality. Konsa is approaching that level, Watkins I'd say is also quite close.
The Argentine is looking every bit a top-four keeper and if he can't achieve it with Villa I suggest he does it with someone else.”
Interesting topic though... how many top four players we have: I’d say 2/3 in Martinez, Jack and maybe Konsa. Expand it to top six, and I think Mings might make it. Top 8 -10team, most of the rest, which is why we are where we are. So our next goal should be to add a couple of really top quality players to push on and become a top six club.
I'd say there's then a group of SJM, Targett, Cash, and Traore that look like decent squad players in a top 6 side.
After that, I think there's a bit of a drop off. Trez, El Goalzi, Heaton, Barkley - they're all serviceable mid table players but not sure they're much more than that. Nakamba, Hause, Ramsey (at the moment) are relegation fodder in a first team for me, but alright for squad players. Taylor, Elmo, Steer, Engels - I think they are probably Championship players.
I'll reserve judgement on Sanson and Wesley. Not seen much of Sanson, and Wes is injured.
I think we've got the core of a top 4/6 side now, but don't have anything like the squad depth required. That's great progress, although there's still more to do. Like to see us replace Taylor, Engels, Barkley, Nakamba and El Goalzie in the summer. Steer's fine as a third choice keeper and I'd be alright with Freddy filling in for Cash next season -- replacing those 5 seem the ones where we could start to make inroads in to the upper echelons.
Edit: worth saying that I rate Ramsey and see him as a longer term option. I'd just worry if he was getting regular games right now - I think regular subs appearances are exactly the right way to go about getting him in to the first team, with maybe an odd start later in the season if we've nothing to play for.
Mings has played very well in the last couple of games but has had an average season at best. Only Martinez and Jack in that top category for me. Konsa and Watkins not far off. Luiz has dropped back quite a bit this season from his post restart form.
Post by: nigel on February 19, 2021, 08:32:11 AM
Post by: OCD on February 19, 2021, 11:38:36 AM
Post by: darren woolley on February 28, 2021, 11:15:22 AM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on February 28, 2021, 11:18:25 AM
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 28, 2021, 11:57:28 AM
Post by: mr underhill on February 28, 2021, 12:12:58 PM
Post by: olaftab on February 28, 2021, 12:18:42 PM
13 clean sheets out of 24 games is really somethingThat's an amazing stat and worryingly highlights underachievement in total points so far.
Post by: Olof's Beard on February 28, 2021, 12:28:33 PM
13 clean sheets out of 24 games is really somethingThat's an amazing stat and worryingly highlights underachievement in total points so far.
We left some points behind when we were free flowing earlier in the seasons (West Ham away, Burnley home and away spring to mind). Now the goals have dried up, the defence is really proving its worth. We've only scored once in our last three victories, in two of those games we scored in the first five minutes. The back five are in a great moment, you can see how much it means to them to defend those leads.
Conversely, when we do a ship one goal, we have a tendency to ship one or two more. In the 11 games where we have conceded, we've let in 3+ four or five times.
It just shows that we're making incredible progress at both ends of the pitch but aren't quite the finished article yet, quite understandably.
Post by: CT on March 02, 2021, 08:30:07 PM
A few rumours here and there but assume he’s in for tomorrow?
Post by: eamonn on March 02, 2021, 08:41:39 PM
Post by: Damo70 on March 02, 2021, 08:51:53 PM
Don’t know if I missed something with Emi? Saw him taking pain killers at Leeds and letting the CB’s take the goal kicks.
A few rumours here and there but assume he’s in for tomorrow?
I love the guy, he has been excellent for us. I think he has a groin injury but hopefully an injection and some strapping will help him through the game. However if it is better to rest him for a couple of games we should do that given the comfortable position we are in the league.
Post by: OCD on March 02, 2021, 09:30:30 PM
Groin injury but not enough to keep him out. Trained today, has been abstaining from sex and will play tomorrow.
You normally only get insights like that from Footie.
Post by: dave shelley on March 02, 2021, 09:37:07 PM
Don’t know if I missed something with Emi? Saw him taking pain killers at Leeds and letting the CB’s take the goal kicks.
A few rumours here and there but assume he’s in for tomorrow?
I love the guy, he has been excellent for us. I think he has a groin injury but hopefully an injection and some strapping will help him through the game. However if it is better to rest him for a couple of games we should do that given the comfortable position we are in the league.
Is he going to play in a truss?
Post by: TelfordVilla on March 02, 2021, 09:40:17 PM
Post by: Damo70 on March 02, 2021, 09:43:05 PM
Don’t know if I missed something with Emi? Saw him taking pain killers at Leeds and letting the CB’s take the goal kicks.
A few rumours here and there but assume he’s in for tomorrow?
I love the guy, he has been excellent for us. I think he has a groin injury but hopefully an injection and some strapping will help him through the game. However if it is better to rest him for a couple of games we should do that given the comfortable position we are in the league.
Is he going to play in a truss?
We will have to 'truss' the physio and medical staff on that one Dave ;)
Post by: olaftab on March 02, 2021, 09:50:09 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 06, 2021, 07:37:33 PM
Post by: LukeJames on March 06, 2021, 07:38:54 PM
Post by: The Edge on March 06, 2021, 07:39:58 PM
Wouldn’t trade him for any goalkeeper in the world and I really mean that.Fabulous signing. Fabulous keeper. Forget the fee he has to be our most influential signing since... maybe Paul McGrath
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 06, 2021, 07:41:44 PM
Post by: darren woolley on March 06, 2021, 07:57:59 PM
Post by: nigel on March 06, 2021, 08:00:18 PM
Add that we have 5 who, IMO, wouldn’t look out of place in the England set up, shows how far we’ve come.
Post by: Ads on March 06, 2021, 08:02:45 PM
Platt, Yorke and God.
Martinez is most definitely the best keeper in the league.
Post by: colin69 on March 06, 2021, 08:06:39 PM
Post by: nigel on March 06, 2021, 08:08:52 PM
Post by: ez on March 06, 2021, 08:22:01 PM
Post by: LukeJames on March 06, 2021, 08:23:41 PM
Post by: CT on March 06, 2021, 08:27:37 PM
Post by: LukeJames on March 06, 2021, 08:31:52 PM
Post by: mr underhill on March 06, 2021, 08:34:07 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 07, 2021, 11:43:18 AM
How have we ended up with the best keeper in the League? Wtf are Arsenal doing?
Second best, Ederson is top (although he rarely has much to do).
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 07, 2021, 12:00:47 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 07, 2021, 12:26:48 PM
How have we ended up with the best keeper in the League? Wtf are Arsenal doing?
Second best, Ederson is top (although he rarely has much to do).
Martinez is the best goalkeeper that looks like a goalkeeper.
Post by: LeeB on March 07, 2021, 01:58:50 PM
How have we ended up with the best keeper in the League? Wtf are Arsenal doing?
Second best, Ederson is top (although he rarely has much to do).
In fairness, that's a skill in itself, playing in a team that dominates and keeping switched on for when you are needed.
Post by: CT on March 07, 2021, 04:52:58 PM
We’d be several places lower in the table, that’s for sure.
Have we had a keeper get POTY before?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 07, 2021, 05:01:17 PM
Post by: Olof's Beard on March 07, 2021, 05:19:18 PM
Such a key position - just imagine if we’d gone for Aaron Ramsdale from Bournemouth for instance.
We’d be several places lower in the table, that’s for sure.
Have we had a keeper get POTY before?
I am pretty sure Guzan won it, maybe in Lambert's first season?
Martinez is brilliant, he has no weaknesses and the attitude of the entire back five is fantastic. You can sense the pride in keeping a clean sheet. They take offence to conceding goals. Emi has made the four in front of him better, that is the truest sign of a brilliant signing.
Post by: itbrvilla on March 07, 2021, 05:23:30 PM
How have we ended up with the best keeper in the League? Wtf are Arsenal doing?One of the best in the world yet still isn't No.1 for Argentina. If I was Gareth Southgate I'd at least attempt to get him to switch allegiance
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 07, 2021, 05:39:10 PM
Bozzie was good at shot stopping - couldn't kick a ball though. :D
Post by: Rudy65 on March 07, 2021, 05:48:42 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 07, 2021, 05:50:00 PM
Post by: nigel on March 07, 2021, 07:09:31 PM
I don't really remember a great deal of Spink as I only started going to VP when I was 10 in 1994. But, I think Martinez has more than Bosnich.
Spinksy was brilliant, mate, I guess he learned a lot from Rimmer, too. Imo both were head and shoulders above Bosnich
Post by: eamonn on March 07, 2021, 07:11:33 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 07, 2021, 07:22:48 PM
Did Bosnich make much effort to improve his kicking?the role of a goalkeeper was different back then, almost every kick from a keeper was a hoof up the pitch - wonder if Bozzie would manage in todays game where the keeper plays the ball a lot shorter from the back?
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 07, 2021, 07:54:18 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 07, 2021, 08:17:34 PM
Watched the Atletico Madrid second leg again the other week and he was at fault for the crucial away goal, came out without need and collided with I think Staunton.
Quite a few goals we conceded when he'd race out and bump into a defender. That Boxing day game we had v Chelsea in I think 1996 he did the same and Zola tapped in.
He probably made as many errors over a season as say David James did in 99/00 when he was excellent but everyone remembers the mis-punch in the cup final so small margins.
When you look at what we've signed in last decade Friedel and Heaton generally 7/10 in all aspects but didn't quite have that match winning or saving ability Emi does so certainly the best since Bozzy or David James in that regard imo.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 07, 2021, 08:20:56 PM
Did Bosnich make much effort to improve his kicking?the role of a goalkeeper was different back then, almost every kick from a keeper was a hoof up the pitch - wonder if Bozzie would manage in todays game where the keeper plays the ball a lot shorter from the back?
I went down to Bodymoor just before he left sometime in 1999. In those days you could park up, watch training from the sidelines and sometimes they'd allow fans there to wander past the railings and get autographs just outside the buildings as the players went back in.
I remember being there and Bozzy was doing kicking with Paul Barron and I guess Michael Oakes. My Mum was with me and remarked how bad his kicking was, going in all directions and one even hit the roof of the old building. She thought he was doing it on purpose but I said nah he kicks like that during a game!
It didn't improve when he was at Man. United and think that's one of the reasons Fergie quickly dropped him aswell as all the off field stuff.
Post by: Ads on March 07, 2021, 08:25:20 PM
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 07, 2021, 08:37:31 PM
Best Bozzie performance was at Roker Park in the League Cup. We got absolutely battered and yet we won 4-1. Took an eternity to get back too.
5am back at Bar St Martin, well worth the trip.
Dalian also ruthless that night.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 07, 2021, 08:38:22 PM
Best Bozzie performance was at Roker Park in the League Cup. We got absolutely battered and yet we won 4-1. Took an eternity to get back too.
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 07, 2021, 08:40:51 PM
Post by: brontebilly on March 08, 2021, 08:30:31 AM
Post by: Ads on March 08, 2021, 08:44:26 AM
Post by: Villan82 on March 08, 2021, 09:11:47 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 08, 2021, 12:43:16 PM
Bosnich was great for us and we definitely got the best out of him. In an alternative universe I often wonder what would have happened in 1998-99 if we had got another year out of Yorke and had still been able to sign Dion Dublin...
Think the biggest thing in 98/99 was Ugo getting smashed in the face by Shearer and having to miss rest of the season. We were losing it a bit defensively as Oakes was struggling in goal but we were still winning games.
After Ugo went out we had to play Scimeca as regular who never kicked on from his early promise and we started conceding 2s and 3s on a regular basis. That horrible 1-4 loss at home to Coventry was the low point of that 3 month period before we picked up again towards end of the season with Colin Calderwood coming in and doing a decent job for a few games.
Another January period where we could've done a bit of business to keep things fresh but instead things fizzled out.
Post by: eamonn on March 08, 2021, 01:12:50 PM
I remember Ugo being a studio guest for a dire Super Sunday game against Wimbledon (0-0) in Feb '99. He said at the end that (from being top of the table a month earlier) we had "stopped the rot". Unfortunately not, we were still pretty hopeless for much of the rest of that season, allowing West Ham to finish ahead of us and we ended up in 6th position when most of us would have expected top three at Christmas.
Post by: Eckybloke on March 10, 2021, 12:01:15 PM
“ However, there is one standout performer in Europe this season that is Martínez.”
Love that!
(Sorry about the amateur posting of the link and quote!)
Post by: Monty on March 10, 2021, 03:21:53 PM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on March 10, 2021, 10:32:16 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2021/mar/10/want-to-compare-keepers-fairly-take-a-deep-dive-into-their-clean-sheetsDoes help that Martin Laurence is a Villa fan, though you can't argue with the analysis.
“ However, there is one standout performer in Europe this season that is Martínez.”
Love that!
(Sorry about the amateur posting of the link and quote!)
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 10, 2021, 11:46:35 PM
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 11, 2021, 03:55:15 AM
( not related I promise mi hombres)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 19, 2021, 01:45:16 PM
Best keeper in Europe.
Off to Yanited in the summer apparently. Shame, it was nice while it lasted. :( https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 19, 2021, 02:17:33 PM
Best keeper in Europe.
Off to Yanited in the summer apparently. Shame, it was nice while it lasted. :( https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip
Henderson + how much to be forced into a deal?
I could be swayed for Henderson + £20m, total value about £40m.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 19, 2021, 02:37:44 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on March 19, 2021, 03:11:52 PM
Best keeper in Europe.
Off to Yanited in the summer apparently. Shame, it was nice while it lasted. :( https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip
Henderson + how much to be forced into a deal?
I could be swayed for Henderson + £20m, total value about £40m.
I wouldn’t settle for anything less than £80 million. Some of the keepers going for £50 million plus he is easily worth more than that.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 19, 2021, 03:17:16 PM
Post by: Drummond on March 19, 2021, 04:01:28 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 19, 2021, 04:12:53 PM
Best keeper in Europe.
Off to Yanited in the summer apparently. Shame, it was nice while it lasted. :( https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip
Henderson + how much to be forced into a deal?
I could be swayed for Henderson + £20m, total value about £40m.
No thanks. Emi stays unless he says he wants to go and then I’d want at least £70m.
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 19, 2021, 04:16:44 PM
Ok - the best strikers in the league cost over £100mil, I assume the best keeper would cost that too....
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 19, 2021, 05:57:26 PM
Man United want him?
Ok - the best strikers in the league cost over £100mil, I assume the best keeper would cost that too....
I really doubt they do. They’ve an experienced, but wobbly, pro in de Gea and one of the best youngsters around. I don’t think their gain would justify the expense.
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 19, 2021, 06:01:54 PM
Post by: Lsvilla on March 19, 2021, 06:09:45 PM
Post by: darren woolley on March 19, 2021, 08:12:35 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 19, 2021, 09:29:50 PM
Best keeper in Europe.
Off to Yanited in the summer apparently. Shame, it was nice while it lasted. :( https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip
Henderson + how much to be forced into a deal?
I could be swayed for Henderson + £20m, total value about £40m.
No thanks. Emi stays unless he says he wants to go and then I’d want at least £70m.
He's going nowhere. We should be asking how much they want for Fernandes, rather than negotiating the best way to make ourselves look second rate again.
Post by: algy on March 19, 2021, 09:44:08 PM
This, all day long. Tell them if they want a keeper, Fernandes plus £25m gets them a phone call with Jed Steer.Best keeper in Europe.
Off to Yanited in the summer apparently. Shame, it was nice while it lasted. :( https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip
Henderson + how much to be forced into a deal?
I could be swayed for Henderson + £20m, total value about £40m.
No thanks. Emi stays unless he says he wants to go and then I’d want at least £70m.
He's going nowhere. We should be asking how much they want for Fernandes, rather than negotiating the best way to make ourselves look second rate again.
Post by: olaftab on March 19, 2021, 11:38:25 PM
Post by: olaftab on March 19, 2021, 11:40:32 PM
Best Bozzie performance was at Roker Park in the League Cup. We got absolutely battered and yet we won 4-1. Took an eternity to get back too.Blood hell Ads that was 1993 you must have been 6 or 7 travelling up there for a midweek game?
Post by: Ads on March 20, 2021, 08:56:39 AM
We had to go to Arsenal on the coach to continue the luck and got into Highbury just in time to see Dalian score dead early.
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 21, 2021, 02:05:19 PM
I'd have been 7. We watched an absolutely bobar film on the coach on the way back called Strays about killer house cats.
We had to go to Arsenal on the coach to continue the luck and got into Highbury just in time to see Dalian score dead early.
Was 13 coming back on chauffers coaches with Karl - happy days indeed.
Post by: john e on March 21, 2021, 03:51:12 PM
Best Bozzie performance was at Roker Park in the League Cup. We got absolutely battered and yet we won 4-1. Took an eternity to get back too.Blood hell Ads that was 1993 you must have been 6 or 7 travelling up there for a midweek game?
He’s not wrong though
For about 12 months he was one of the best keepers I’ve ever seen at Villa
Post by: Smithy on March 21, 2021, 07:09:48 PM
If we're serious about top 4, then Emi has to be in the Jack 'keep at all costs' bracket.
Post by: CT on March 21, 2021, 07:18:25 PM
If Alisson was £65m, then the conversation for Emi has to start there, plus a premium because we don't need to sell. I don't think there is a goalkeeper in the world right now that I would see as a significant upgrade on him. It doesn't really matter how much money we got for him, because it would be almost impossible to strengthen the goalkeeping position if we lost him, so I'd hope any call gets a definitive "thanks, but no thanks".
If we're serious about top 4, then Emi has to be in the Jack 'keep at all costs' bracket.
Exactly this for me too.
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 21, 2021, 11:23:27 PM
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 21, 2021, 11:42:32 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on March 22, 2021, 01:28:44 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 22, 2021, 06:39:30 AM
Thought his kicking was fine tonight.The one that set up the first goal was brilliant
Post by: nigel on March 22, 2021, 07:05:33 AM
Hindsight, he should have belted it
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 22, 2021, 08:01:04 AM
Thought his kicking was fine tonight.The one that set up the first goal was brilliant
The team still had plenty of time to “defend” In the chain of events.
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 22, 2021, 10:35:33 AM
They would not have needed to if he had cleared the ball.Thought his kicking was fine tonight.The one that set up the first goal was brilliant
The team still had plenty of time to “defend” In the chain of events.
Post by: Clampy on March 22, 2021, 10:47:54 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 22, 2021, 10:53:10 AM
It cost us the game. Same as Engels last season.
He is a very good keeper but his kicking is sometimes a bit dodgy.
Post by: robbo1874 on March 22, 2021, 11:16:58 AM
Post by: OCD on March 22, 2021, 11:35:24 AM
Post by: CT on March 22, 2021, 03:39:04 PM
He’s a class act, and I don’t think he’ll need telling when his standards drop. Normally his distribution is arguably as good as some of our outfield players.
I think Ezri Konsa will be my POTY, but Emi would be a mighty close second.
Post by: olaftab on March 22, 2021, 04:01:18 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 03, 2021, 05:11:40 PM
Wonderful. Solid , reliable , consistent and won and and saved us matches and points.
What hoping to see now is a development of his distribution. Something I have small concerns on but every faith his kicking and passing out will improve. It's clearly a method Dean wants along with Cutler coaching this to be playing out from the back and the goalie to be able to kick out accurately.
Generally he's comfortable recieving but has a some struggles to pass out accurately for a longer ball by foot.
I do like he's looking for quick transition with his throw outs regularly as he's a master at catching the ball. Though he's as frustrated as us all watching as generally no one around to receive or space to throw out
I think next season we'll see Emi build up attacks and transitions with his throw outs as players make them available as well as being neater at passing the ball out to build up play rather than the occasions of a wayward ball in to touch Martinez will only develop greater this kicking side of the game.
Fantastic goalie and so pleased he's our Number 1.
Best goalkeeper in the league this season for me.
Well done Emi
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 03, 2021, 05:55:03 PM
If ever Martinez does anything as bad as Alisson then I will get worries. It was an error but it only placed us under pressure not give them a direct shot at an empty net and we had time and space to do something about it.
The very close in reaction save from DCL on Saturday hasn’t been spoken of enough but it’s precisely the stuff he does routinely. And that’s not undervaluing how immense he is with crosses or dealing with short range distribution with opposing players in front of him. He’s not even come remotely close to any of the massive howlers from supposedly better keepers or those with greater reputations. He’s been absolutely superb in almost every department for pretty much all of the season.
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 03, 2021, 06:44:34 PM
If ever Martinez does anything as bad as Alisson then I will get worries. It was an error but it only placed us under pressure not give them a direct shot at an empty net and we had time and space to do something about it.
The very close in reaction save from DCL on Saturday hasn’t been spoken of enough but it’s precisely the stuff he does routinely. And that’s not undervaluing how immense he is with crosses or dealing with short range distribution with opposing players in front of him. He’s not even come remotely close to any of the massive howlers from supposedly better keepers or those with greater reputations. He’s been absolutely superb in almost every department for pretty much all of the season.
We need to remember the way we felt for maybe four or five years in a row every time the opposition got a corner or put balls in the box. This was exacerbated with Nyland , where I for one felt the opposition would score every time they swung the ball in. It’s easy now to become blasé about what Martinez does, but the amount of difficult crosses he just catches routinely, is huge for us. World class keeper.
Post by: KevinGage on May 03, 2021, 07:37:24 PM
Fulham had done a bit of work on deadball delivery from corners and freekicks and continually found good areas in the first half a few weeks back.
Yet Martinez dealt with everything: not afraid to go through their players (or ours) if required.
I remember thinking then, if it had been Nyland flapping about, we'd probably be 2-0 down. Despite bossing the game in that first period.
You can look back on a season and remember the saves in games like Wolves away that clearly led to points. But it's the confidence he gives those in front of him that shows his true worth. They make less mistakes because they can act with surety; they know they have a solid presence behind them. Not someone who will act in an unpredictable/ rash way that needs to be factored in any time the ball goes above the centre half pairing.
Post by: Steve67 on May 03, 2021, 08:05:03 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 17, 2021, 06:19:44 PM
Post by: Smirker on May 17, 2021, 07:37:40 PM
Vamos Emi 😎
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 17, 2021, 07:50:21 PM
Congratulations to Emi. Delighted for him. Bet he's dreamt of this all his life and probably at one point thought it'd never happen.
Vamos Emi 😎
I thought exactly the same, but later learned that he's been in a couple of squads before. Still to win a cap though.
Post by: Smirker on May 17, 2021, 09:00:32 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2021, 09:49:35 PM
Post by: Colhint on May 17, 2021, 10:09:39 PM
Post by: darren woolley on May 18, 2021, 11:36:05 AM
Post by: Luffbralion on May 18, 2021, 11:58:29 AM
Richly desreved.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 19, 2021, 08:41:31 PM
Best in the world. FACT.
Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2021, 10:42:57 AM
For all our brilliance tonight, a lesser 'keeper would've seen us drop a couple of points. No chance with the goal, couple of iffy kicks, but otherwise imperious.
Best in the world. FACT.
Him and the lad at Athletico, Oblak, he's a top keeper and all.
Post by: Smithy on May 20, 2021, 11:09:42 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 20, 2021, 11:17:58 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on May 20, 2021, 11:22:31 AM
I like Tom Heaton and gutted for him about his injury, but signing Emi was massive for us. He's probably worth £70m now. What on earth were Arsenal thinking letting this gem slip through their hands?
Post by: Risso on May 20, 2021, 11:23:38 AM
Agree with the last few posts. I know he's only been here a year but he must be next on the list to be tied down on a new, improved contract.
Yep, seeing as he's only 28, I'd say 10 years, with an option for another 5, should do it.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 23, 2021, 07:17:16 PM
Post by: CT on May 23, 2021, 07:20:16 PM
Things like that have been sadly missing with no fans there.
Post by: darren woolley on May 23, 2021, 07:25:53 PM
Post by: Nelly on May 23, 2021, 07:29:25 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on May 23, 2021, 07:33:18 PM
Agree with the last few posts. I know he's only been here a year but he must be next on the list to be tied down on a new, improved contract.
Yep, seeing as he's only 28, I'd say 10 years, with an option for another 5, should do it.
Agree, let's give him the full Pardew.
Post by: Smithy on May 23, 2021, 07:50:54 PM
Can you imagine letting a player go after never really giving them a chance, and then seeing them thrive this well? Arsenal fans must be sick. Fuck'em.
Post by: astonvilla82 on May 23, 2021, 09:32:07 PM
Post by: Smirker on May 23, 2021, 09:38:54 PM
Normally sit in the lower holte, but was directly behind him in the upper north stand today you don't realize what a fantastic keeper he is until you see him from a few yards away, also he also gave his gloves to a fan in exchange for a Argantina flag after the game
Love that 8)
Post by: OCD on May 23, 2021, 09:41:04 PM
Post by: eamonn on May 23, 2021, 10:49:07 PM
Agree with the last few posts. I know he's only been here a year but he must be next on the list to be tied down on a new, improved contract.
Yep, seeing as he's only 28, I'd say 10 years, with an option for another 5, should do it.
Would still make more sense than the contract we gave Shay Given.
Disappointed for Emi and the defence that they didn't beat the AV post-'92 clean-sheet record. He nearly kept it out!
Post by: Ger Regan on May 23, 2021, 11:19:13 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 23, 2021, 11:22:06 PM
I wonder how many points he has won for us this season. Either directly through saves but also via other means, ie calmness or good decisions at key times. After the keeper's we have going back to the decline of Guzan, I am so relieved he plays for us!
Easily 10 points I think. Stuff like that fantastic save he made point blank at Wolves when it was 0-0 with ten minutes left and we then won it last minute, brick wall in 0-0 at Brighton also made two fantastic saves late on at Southampton.
Deserved POTY. No mean feat when you think how good half the outfield team has been good starting. Jack would've probably won it if he'd played the whole season and likes of Konsa, Watkins and Targett all had fantastic individual seasons.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2021, 11:25:57 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 23, 2021, 11:28:00 PM
It never ceases to amaze me that Arsenal had him on their books for a full decade, and never came close to making him their number one.
Can you imagine letting a player go after never really giving them a chance, and then seeing them thrive this well? Arsenal fans must be sick. Fuck'em.
Surprisingly they've actually got one of the best defensive records in the league so it didn't impact on them that much as Leno had a decent season.
They just needed the money, will probably do the same with Joe Willock given they haven't made europe and can get 25m for him given how well he's done at Newcastle.
Post by: caster troy on May 23, 2021, 11:29:25 PM
Post by: john e on May 24, 2021, 07:46:18 AM
I think he’s been outstanding in every area of his game
Post by: Scratchins on May 24, 2021, 08:10:14 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2021, 11:08:04 AM
Post by: LeeB on May 28, 2021, 11:40:05 AM
I was thinking last night about how strange and atypical, at least from my recollection, Emi’s career seems to be. He had been at Arsenal an age with a number of unremarkable loan spells. Then suddenly he has a 6 month spell in Arsenal’s team due to injury and his career blows up. He’s been an incredible signing for us and has probably trebled his value already. It’s just really odd that such a talented goalkeeper just appeared to be drifting along, with little fanfare, and now is in the company of the best keepers around.
I think he was well appreciated in his loan spell at Reading.
Post by: Martin Carruthers on May 28, 2021, 11:42:49 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 02, 2021, 12:50:48 PM
Post by: dicedlam on June 02, 2021, 01:24:07 PM
Big day for Emi today where hopefully he'll earn his first cap for Argentina in their World Cup qualifier against Chile.
I think the game is on Friday RCF. Unless you mean the team gets selected today?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 02, 2021, 02:40:48 PM
Big day for Emi today where hopefully he'll earn his first cap for Argentina in their World Cup qualifier against Chile.
I think the game is on Friday RCF. Unless you mean the team gets selected today?
My mistake, it's tomorrow night (1am Friday UK). A lot of talk in Argentina about Emi and how he should be the Nº1.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2021, 03:10:24 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 02, 2021, 04:41:42 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 03, 2021, 12:01:26 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 03, 2021, 12:24:58 AM
I was thinking last night about how strange and atypical, at least from my recollection, Emi’s career seems to be. He had been at Arsenal an age with a number of unremarkable loan spells. Then suddenly he has a 6 month spell in Arsenal’s team due to injury and his career blows up. He’s been an incredible signing for us and has probably trebled his value already. It’s just really odd that such a talented goalkeeper just appeared to be drifting along, with little fanfare, and now is in the company of the best keepers around.
When you think about it though....Jed Steer had similar path with us. I know it was lower level but he'd been with us since July 2013, played in odd cup game and was just constantly loaned out and deemed not good enough to ever be number one. Then nearly 6 years later plays a huge part in our promotion and very possible he could've staked a serious claim to be a premier league number one if he hadn't done his ACL at Wolves.
Also going back a few years we signed Guzan in August 2008 and he only got serious shot at number one at start of 2012 season after Given made some errors so with that position good players can just be backup for years. Then you see whether those players are just content to be a reserve for most of their career or really take their chance when they get it. Emi and to lesser extent Jed certainly did.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 03, 2021, 01:14:43 AM
Emi starting for Argentina tomorrow vs Chile
Well deserved. 🙂
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 04, 2021, 03:00:52 AM
Post by: SaddVillan on June 04, 2021, 08:35:21 AM
https://youtu.be/19LhmVpx-3w
As Toronto Villa says, Emi's only involvement is picking the ball put if the net. To save yourselves time, Chile scored in the 34th minute.
Post by: SaddVillan on June 04, 2021, 08:36:40 AM
https://youtu.be/19LhmVpx-3w
As Toronto Villa says, Emi's only involvement was picking the ball out of the net in the 34th minute.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 04, 2021, 05:03:20 PM
Post by: darren woolley on June 05, 2021, 07:58:40 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 05, 2021, 08:22:23 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 06, 2021, 09:14:46 AM
Post by: darren woolley on June 06, 2021, 10:39:06 AM
Darren, Argentina are playing again on Tuesday night away to Colombia. Should be a special game.
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I will be watching that game.
Post by: Steve67 on June 06, 2021, 04:51:26 PM
Darren, Argentina are playing again on Tuesday night away to Colombia. Should be a special game.
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I will be watching that game.
Darren, perhaps you should miss the game to work on your quote fails!! (joking, promise)
Post by: Steve67 on June 06, 2021, 04:55:21 PM
Darren, Argentina are playing again on Tuesday night away to Colombia. Should be a special game.
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I will be watching that game.
Darren, perhaps you should miss the game to work on your quote fails!! (joking, promise)
I shall be doing the same!!
Post by: Drummond on June 07, 2021, 12:34:16 PM
Darren, Argentina are playing again on Tuesday night away to Colombia. Should be a special game.
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I will be watching that game.
Darren, perhaps you should miss the game to work on your quote fails!! (joking, promise)
I shall be doing the same!!
Haha
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 07, 2021, 12:58:17 PM
Post by: OzVilla on June 09, 2021, 12:48:38 AM
Post by: timeoutbigbar on June 09, 2021, 12:51:39 AM
Post by: SaddVillan on June 09, 2021, 12:51:54 AM
Post by: SaddVillan on June 09, 2021, 12:53:28 AM
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Until then he'd been his usual composed self dealing with crosses and corners.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 09, 2021, 12:56:57 AM
Being stretchered off playing for Argentina against Columbia. Hit his head landing. Fuck! Hope he’s ok.
It was a lengthy stoppage but he seemed to be ok. Let’s hope anyway
Post by: OzVilla on June 09, 2021, 01:01:54 AM
Being stretchered off playing for Argentina against Columbia. Hit his head landing. Fuck! Hope he’s ok.
It was a lengthy stoppage but he seemed to be ok. Let’s hope anyway
I may for the first time in my life be supporting Argentina in a match.
Post by: SaddVillan on June 09, 2021, 01:08:25 AM
Here it is.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 09, 2021, 01:44:28 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 09, 2021, 02:39:10 AM
Post by: OzVilla on June 09, 2021, 02:51:43 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 09, 2021, 03:03:17 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 09, 2021, 05:28:30 AM
Post by: Villafirst on June 09, 2021, 06:16:02 AM
Emi seems like he will be fine and thanked the team doctor in a tweet tonight.
Good news. Must admit, I'm always a bit uneasy with possible injuries to our players in these internationals.
Post by: CT on June 09, 2021, 06:28:24 AM
Emi seems like he will be fine and thanked the team doctor in a tweet tonight.
Good news. Must admit, I'm always a bit uneasy with possible injuries to our players in these internationals.
Bloody hell, just woke up to see the video of him being taken away in an ambulance. Panicked when I realised it was him, but so pleased to hear he’s fine, phew.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 09, 2021, 11:01:18 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 09, 2021, 11:26:07 AM
Post by: Dave on June 09, 2021, 11:32:39 AM
Is he definitely fine? Or is this a Villa, he should be back in time for the first game of the season and returns in 2023 type fine?
Fixed that for you.
Post by: OCD on June 09, 2021, 12:41:54 PM
Post by: darren woolley on June 09, 2021, 01:04:32 PM
Post by: paul_e on June 09, 2021, 01:11:29 PM
Post by: Villafirst on June 09, 2021, 01:23:18 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 09, 2021, 01:29:26 PM
Post by: eamonn on June 09, 2021, 01:30:15 PM
But yeah, I really wanted Keinan Davis to play against Everton in our two-legged League matches against them last month. Just so he could duff Mina up. Yerry didn't play in either game. Cried-off at the thought of Keinan, I reckon.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 09, 2021, 01:43:55 PM
Mina is awful. What on earth possessed Everton to buy him?
A good a game or two at the World Cup. Never buy a player solely based on how they do at an international competition. Everton have a few of those types of player at the club. See also Pickford, J
Post by: LeeB on June 09, 2021, 01:46:07 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2021, 07:07:43 PM
https://twitter.com/emimartinezz1/status/1403046662159880194?s=21
Post by: Monty on June 11, 2021, 06:27:56 PM
Post by: andyh on June 11, 2021, 06:39:22 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2021, 12:01:28 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 15, 2021, 01:01:01 AM
Always feels like it needs a top penalty to beat him if he dives the right way, Pereira stuck his top corner which I think was last he faced for us.
Would be very confident winning a shoot out with him in goal, would be like the two we won with Bosnich playing in 1994.
Post by: eamonn on June 15, 2021, 01:11:24 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 15, 2021, 01:22:29 AM
Indeed would've been about four red cards tonight if prem ref had been in charge.
Post by: dcdavecollett on June 15, 2021, 01:44:06 AM
Not Emi, obviously...
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 19, 2021, 03:51:31 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 22, 2021, 02:54:59 AM
Emi did what Emi does. Another clean sheet tonight vs Uruguay in a 1-0 win for Argentina.
Emi did what Emi does. Another clean sheet tonight vs Paraguay in a 1-0 win for Argentina AKA the South American England.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 22, 2021, 06:43:28 AM
Post by: eamonn on June 29, 2021, 11:01:17 AM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 29, 2021, 11:57:50 AM
Is that Alvarez still in the Argentina squad? Agent Martinez could be earning a fortune if he’s getting 10% of every signing he negotiates.
Think Alvarez came on off the sun's bench.
Rumoured that his agent is coming to Brum and Amsterdam on Thursday
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 29, 2021, 12:04:23 PM
Is that Alvarez still in the Argentina squad? Agent Martinez could be earning a fortune if he’s getting 10% of every signing he negotiates.
Think Alvarez came on off the sun's bench.
Rumoured that his agent is coming to Brum and Amsterdam on Thursday
Again? Must have a weekly ticket. ;)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 29, 2021, 12:09:22 PM
Argentina beat Bolivia 4-1 last night in their last group-game. Messi became their most capped player. Our Emi was on the bench,
No wonder they let one in.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 29, 2021, 01:05:51 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 29, 2021, 01:13:53 PM
Is that Alvarez still in the Argentina squad? Agent Martinez could be earning a fortune if he’s getting 10% of every signing he negotiates.
Think Alvarez came on off the sun's bench.
Rumoured that his agent is coming to Brum and Amsterdam on Thursday
Again? Must have a weekly ticket. ;)
Ah, was it last Thursday then? Hopefully we will snap him up soon then.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2021, 03:58:23 AM
Emi did what Emi does. Another clean sheet tonight vs Uruguay in a 1-0 win for Argentina.
Emi did what Emi does. Another clean sheet tonight vs Paraguay in a 1-0 win for Argentina AKA the South American England.
Emi did what Emi does. Another clean sheet tonight vs Ecuador in a 3-0 Copa America Quarter Final win for Argentina
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 04, 2021, 04:23:09 AM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on July 04, 2021, 09:10:33 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on July 04, 2021, 09:19:28 AM
Having watched quite a few of the Euro games - we have one of the best keepers in the world
Yes, what a signing he's been. Was doing exam proctoring today, and got talking to a Japanese Arsenal fan. I mentioned Emi and he shook his head whilst saying 'fantastic goalie'.
Post by: darren woolley on July 04, 2021, 04:10:46 PM
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 07, 2021, 04:12:10 AM
Post by: Hillbilly on July 07, 2021, 04:13:52 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 07, 2021, 04:15:31 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 07, 2021, 04:16:38 AM
Post by: Hillbilly on July 07, 2021, 04:16:49 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 07, 2021, 05:40:21 AM
https://twitter.com/socraticjuan/status/1412611206041452544?s=21
Post by: OzVilla on July 07, 2021, 07:41:03 AM
Post by: andyh on July 07, 2021, 07:59:31 AM
Get him tied up with a new contract, with no fecking release clause.
I’m guessing he’s probably one of the best & most valuable keepers in the world right now.
I doubt there are many teams who could afford him even if they wanted him.
Post by: jwarry on July 07, 2021, 08:18:47 AM
Post by: Risso on July 07, 2021, 08:21:00 AM
The shit talking is amazing
https://twitter.com/socraticjuan/status/1412611206041452544?s=21
The hip thrust at the end is pretty magnificent as well.
Post by: algy on July 07, 2021, 08:21:35 AM
He is a bloody footballing god.FTFY
Get him tied up with a new contract, with no fecking release clause.
I’m guessing he’sprobably one ofthe best & most valuable keepers in the world right now.
I doubt there are many teams who could afford him even if they wanted him.
He's magnificent.
Post by: Risso on July 07, 2021, 08:32:16 AM
He is a bloody footballing god.FTFY
Get him tied up with a new contract, with no fecking release clause.I’m guessinghHe’sprobably one ofthe best & most valuable keepersin the world right now.
I doubt there aremany teams who could afford him even if they wanted him.
And same as with Jack, even if they can, they can fuck off.
He's magnificent.
FTFY
Post by: manic-road on July 07, 2021, 08:34:25 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 07, 2021, 08:36:15 AM
Post by: caster troy on July 07, 2021, 08:53:20 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 07, 2021, 08:53:37 AM
Post by: Risso on July 07, 2021, 08:55:56 AM
Post by: Drummond on July 07, 2021, 08:59:44 AM
Steer chuntering to that West Brom player ahead of the penalties is one of my favourite recentish Villa things.
Yep, mine too. Loved it. He really did get in his head.
Looking forward to watching Martinez do the same, just a shame I don't speak Spanish so wouldn't understand what he was saying!
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 07, 2021, 09:11:41 AM
Saves
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 07, 2021, 09:18:39 AM
Steer chuntering to that West Brom player ahead of the penalties is one of my favourite recentish Villa things.
Yep, mine too. Loved it. He really did get in his head.
Looking forward to watching Martinez do the same, just a shame I don't speak Spanish so wouldn't understand what he was saying!
Sky showed him winding up the Colombians with subtitles this morning. Hilarious.
Post by: Drummond on July 07, 2021, 09:18:44 AM
Haha
Post by: LeeB on July 07, 2021, 09:22:49 AM
https://twitter.com/Culernpl/status/1412617540455473159?s=19
Haha
Goatkeeper, lol.
Post by: dave shelley on July 07, 2021, 09:35:40 AM
Post by: purpletrousers on July 07, 2021, 09:51:41 AM
Post by: purpletrousers on July 07, 2021, 09:56:50 AM
He's bloody brilliant, now if he can just tap up Messi on a free that would be good.
Nice to read (from the Beeb)
Emiliano Martinez saved three penalties as Argentina beat Colombia in a semi-final shootout to advance to Saturday's Copa America final against Brazil.
The Aston Villa keeper denied Davinson Sanchez, Yerry Mina and Edwin Cardona from the spot after the game ended 1-1.
Lionel Messi set up Lautaro Martinez to put Argentina ahead before Luis Diaz levelled to send the game to penalties.
The final will be broadcast live on the BBC, with kick-off at 01:00 BST on Sunday, 11 July.
Messi, Lautaro Martinez and Leandro Paredes all scored their penalties in the shootout, but Emiliano Martinez was the hero as he produced a hat-trick of diving saves after being rarely troubled during the game.
The 28-year-old, who moved to English football with Arsenal and had loan spells at Rotherham, Oxford, Reading, Sheffield Wednesday and Wolves, also earned a talking to from the referee for his ceaseless chat aimed at Colombia's players as they lined up to take their kicks.
"They took us to penalties and that's a question of luck, today it was my turn for glory," he said. "I'm speechless."
Six-time Ballon d'Or winner Messi, who is looking to win his first senior trophy with Argentina, praised the Villa keeper for ensuring they "fulfilled our objective" of reaching the final.
"It was difficult at times," Messi said. "But we have 'Emi' and he's phenomenal. We trusted him."
Argentina, who won the last of their 14 Copa America titles in 1993, face defending champions Brazil at the Maracana on Saturday.
Brazil, who have won the Copa America nine times - and on all five of the previous occasions they have hosted the tournament - beat Peru 1-0 in the other semi-final on Tuesday.
Post by: eamonn on July 07, 2021, 10:06:47 AM
He needs to be careful, if memory serves Colombian's have a tendency to shoot footballers they don't like.
That happened ONE time! "I've been working here for 18 years and in 1975, no one died. In 1976, no one died. In 1977, no one died. In 1978, no one died. In 1979, no-one died. In 1980... someone died. In 1981, no one died. In 1982, there was the incident with the pigeon. In 1983, no one died... I mean, I could go on."
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 07, 2021, 10:07:21 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 07, 2021, 10:09:05 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 07, 2021, 11:25:06 AM
He’s only been here a year but he’s already one of my favourite players ever.
Same here, well done Emi!
Hope him and Messi pick up winners medals but it'll be nice for Villa fans to have an interest in a final on Sunday.
Post by: andyh on July 07, 2021, 11:26:25 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 07, 2021, 11:43:57 AM
He's magnificent.
Even Messi knows he's the boss, a born leader. https://twitter.com/moillorens/status/1412653344984870916
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2021, 11:44:23 AM
Simply one of the best signings we've made in decades.
Also got a dream vision in next 2-3 years we'll win FA cup or league cup final on penalties and Emi will save the key one from Bruno Fernandes.
Total beast in that shootout.
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 07, 2021, 11:48:42 AM
Post by: Ads on July 07, 2021, 11:50:33 AM
Which is nice.
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2021, 11:52:59 AM
How many indubitable world class players do we have?!
Two. Him and Jack.
Actually think from what he's shown over last 18 months Konsa has the potential to get into world class bracket eventually as England will start calling him up after the euros.
Bit of pressure on the manager next season really, given all our key players will be coming back on massive high from national team performances and are at the right age to continue peaking we've got to be doing significantly better than 11th from now on.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 07, 2021, 12:01:44 PM
How many indubitable world class players do we have?!
Two. Him and Jack.
Actually think from what he's shown over last 18 months Konsa has the potential to get into world class bracket eventually as England will start calling him up after the euros.
Bit of pressure on the manager next season really, given all our key players will be coming back on massive high from national team performances and are at the right age to continue peaking we've got to be doing significantly better than 11th from now on.
Pressure is a privilege according to Billy Jean King the philosopher.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 07, 2021, 12:12:53 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 07, 2021, 12:13:51 PM
The shit talking is amazing
https://twitter.com/socraticjuan/status/1412611206041452544?s=21
The hip thrust at the end is pretty magnificent as well.
According to my Span residing friend he was saying much worse...."You're shitting yourself..look me in the fucking face" etc
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 07, 2021, 12:20:39 PM
The shit talking is amazing
https://twitter.com/socraticjuan/status/1412611206041452544?s=21
The hip thrust at the end is pretty magnificent as well.
According to my Span residing friend he was saying much worse...."You're shitting yourself..look me in the fucking face" etc
I do hope so. We've been missing a bit of that for years. No better place than Argentina to acquire it from either!
Edit: another one. “Veras como te como, hermano.” You will see how I will eat you, brother.
Post by: paul_e on July 07, 2021, 12:33:10 PM
Chelsea paid £72m for Kepa in 2018. Nobody will convince me Kepa is better than Emi Martinez
It'd take some effort for people to convince me Kepa is better than Steer to be honest, awful goalkeeper, they'd struggle to get 10% of that fee back on him.
Post by: Drummond on July 07, 2021, 12:35:04 PM
Post by: colin69 on July 07, 2021, 12:38:34 PM
Post by: eamonn on July 07, 2021, 12:45:59 PM
It's depressing when you have to consider keeping agents "sweet" but his must be pretty happy with us after his cut from the Buendia deal.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 07, 2021, 01:34:40 PM
He's really quite uncouth in his language. I hope his partner's mum wasn't watching.
His wife's Brazilian so probably wasn't an issue. Her mum may be more unhappy with him on Sunday.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 07, 2021, 01:49:37 PM
Maybe our best signing in many a year. What the hell were Arsenal thinking?
“We could probably sell them Smith Rowe as well.”
Post by: Drummond on July 07, 2021, 02:11:04 PM
He's really quite uncouth in his language. I hope his partner's mum wasn't watching.
His wife's Brazilian so probably wasn't an issue. Her mum may be more unhappy with him on Sunday.
Thanks Eastie. What are they having for tea?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 07, 2021, 02:15:42 PM
Post by: colin69 on July 07, 2021, 02:34:23 PM
That would be nice 👍Maybe our best signing in many a year. What the hell were Arsenal thinking?
“We could probably sell them Smith Rowe as well.”
Post by: UK Redsox on July 07, 2021, 03:04:22 PM
Post by: Dr Butler on July 07, 2021, 03:07:34 PM
Should have done better for the Colombia goal ;)
yes...must do better...:)
UTV
The Doc
Post by: passport1 on July 07, 2021, 03:52:19 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/c33fq2w/Jbs-Qmf-RYgn-Jt-Jbs-Qmf-RYgn-Jt-Go-Ko-OGF7a-Ew7-original-1440x1018.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c33fq2w)
"OK Emi I'll keep my side of the deal and sign for Villa"
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 07, 2021, 04:06:37 PM
He's really quite uncouth in his language. I hope his partner's mum wasn't watching.
His wife's Brazilian so probably wasn't an issue. Her mum may be more unhappy with him on Sunday.
Thanks Eastie. What are they having for tea?
Tsk, you try to keep people informed....
Mandinha's not much of a cook these days, likes Five Guys Burgers but they don't have a branch in Brazil. Maybe Bob's then.
BTW Emi's dad looks a bit of a character, think Argentinian Ray Winstone.
Post by: LeeB on July 07, 2021, 04:08:41 PM
He's really quite uncouth in his language. I hope his partner's mum wasn't watching.
His wife's Brazilian so probably wasn't an issue. Her mum may be more unhappy with him on Sunday.
Thanks Eastie. What are they having for tea?
Tsk, you try to keep people informed....
Mandinha's not much of a cook these days, likes Five Guys Burgers but they don't have a branch in Brazil. Maybe Bob's then.
BTW Emi's dad looks a bit of a character, think Argentinian Ray Winstone.
"Eth, eth, eth, eth, eth Bet 365"
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 07, 2021, 05:12:59 PM
Post by: CT on July 07, 2021, 05:32:42 PM
With none other than Lionel Messi praising him publicly, I wonder if we’re going to be fighting off potential buyers for him as well.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 07, 2021, 05:35:36 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 07, 2021, 05:36:27 PM
Post by: Drummond on July 07, 2021, 06:14:17 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on July 07, 2021, 09:03:14 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on July 08, 2021, 12:04:06 AM
Post by: Mellin on July 11, 2021, 12:33:19 AM
Post by: Hillbilly on July 11, 2021, 01:48:23 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2021, 02:52:26 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2021, 02:55:03 AM
Post by: ExclDawg on July 11, 2021, 02:56:07 AM
Post by: Small Rodent on July 11, 2021, 03:09:01 AM
Post by: Hillbilly on July 11, 2021, 03:09:26 AM
Post by: ExclDawg on July 11, 2021, 03:15:43 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1414043547804782594
Post by: Nunkin1965 on July 11, 2021, 07:04:06 AM
Huge congratulations to Emily Martinez.
And I too have witnessed the hip thrust.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 11, 2021, 07:46:38 AM
Post by: andyh on July 11, 2021, 08:25:29 AM
Emi Martinez, take a bow (or a hip thrust)…….Felicidades amigo.
Post by: SaddVillan on July 11, 2021, 08:47:58 AM
Emi has gone from being sort of second choice at Arsenal, signed for Villa for £20m. Kept 15 clean sheets.
Become Argentina's number one number 1, got them into the Copa America final and helped them win it for the first time in 28 years.
Hats off to the recruitment team at Villa.
Wonder how much he is worth now?
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2021, 08:51:01 AM
A picture of the greatest goalkeeper in the world photobombed by some other bloke.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 11, 2021, 09:00:10 AM
Post by: Monty on July 11, 2021, 09:32:22 AM
Post by: nigel on July 11, 2021, 09:33:15 AM
Slightly concerned, as Martinez seems to have lost his legs
He’s floating 😂
Post by: richtheholtender on July 11, 2021, 10:18:37 AM
Post by: AV82EC on July 11, 2021, 10:33:49 AM
He has helped make Neymar cry, which is a top night's work.
Yes that is always a bonus when Brazil lose. Is there a more objectionable world “star” currently playing.
Post by: AV82EC on July 11, 2021, 10:37:11 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 11, 2021, 11:37:20 AM
https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/news/martinez-arteta-arsenal-copa-america-21023316
Post by: garyellis on July 11, 2021, 12:38:17 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 11, 2021, 12:55:59 PM
Post by: Ads on July 11, 2021, 01:53:39 PM
Post by: Allan C on July 11, 2021, 02:18:05 PM
Post by: Dave on July 11, 2021, 03:39:27 PM
As recently as 2019 he was pissing about on loan in the Championship. Within a year of us deciding we wanted him he's one of the best keepers in the world, an international champion and a national hero in a country that had barely heard of him a couple of years ago.
Post by: Ads on July 11, 2021, 04:29:40 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 11, 2021, 04:38:06 PM
He's also started trying to shag everything. Think Mrs Martinez is in for a treat in a day or two.
Not sure about that, she's had a baby girl this week according to Eastie.
Post by: eamonn on July 11, 2021, 05:01:11 PM
Grateful as we obviously are to have him, you'd think he also owes Villa a massive debt of gratitude for what we've done for him.
As recently as 2019 he was pissing about on loan in the Championship. Within a year of us deciding we wanted him he's one of the best keepers in the world, an international champion and a national hero in a country that had barely heard of him a couple of years ago.
I hope his agent is equally mindful of that.
We've given him good business with Buendia too so hopefully he doesn't start to rattle cages and turn Martínez's head.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 11, 2021, 05:08:27 PM
Post by: Steve67 on July 11, 2021, 05:38:45 PM
Post by: darren woolley on July 12, 2021, 10:54:14 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 12, 2021, 11:28:46 AM
Elevated to a top 10 keeper in the world. Brilliant keeper and he plays for the mighty Aston Villa.
Good post but you need to lose the "0".
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2021, 07:50:46 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/chELs_Professor/status/1415008721705521158
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 14, 2021, 12:37:12 PM
Post by: Drummond on July 14, 2021, 12:59:35 PM
Anyway, sounds good, though I expect nothing less of him. Another year of doing what he did last season and he'll be getting on for being held in the regard that some of our past keepers have been...
Post by: eamonn on July 14, 2021, 01:57:57 PM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 14, 2021, 02:44:41 PM
Shouldn't he be on a well-earned summer holiday? Actually does anyone know when our English/South American internationals are due back at Bodymoor? They deserve the rest of the month to rest-up.
About 10 days I think
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 17, 2021, 06:41:03 PM
Firstly he would be worth twice that if we sold him but what does an ex small Heath player know about football
Post by: Drummond on July 17, 2021, 07:01:34 PM
Post by: Clive W on July 17, 2021, 07:17:47 PM
I see the world famous Curtis Woodhouse doesn’t think the 20 million rated keeper is not good enough for a top 4 clubA negative too far…I think
Firstly he would be worth twice that if we sold him but what does an ex small Heath player know about football
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 17, 2021, 07:32:17 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/mar/12/english-boxer-curtis-woodhouse-twitter-troll
Post by: dave shelley on July 17, 2021, 07:43:07 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2021, 08:45:58 PM
I'd be careful if I were you.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/mar/12/english-boxer-curtis-woodhouse-twitter-troll
I’m surprised he hasn’t got a mural.
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 17, 2021, 09:32:33 PM
I've been trying to recollect why that name sounded familiar. It's not for his footballing prowess as I don't ever recall him playing for them.
He became a pro boxer and won the British light-welterweight title.
Post by: dave shelley on July 17, 2021, 09:45:31 PM
I've been trying to recollect why that name sounded familiar. It's not for his footballing prowess as I don't ever recall him playing for them.
He became a pro boxer and won the British light-welterweight title.
Ta, I knew the name from somewhere.
Post by: TheMalandro on July 22, 2021, 10:36:32 PM
If I sat on their board, I’d be pushing to sack Arteta. The Martinez decision was unforgivable.
Post by: Drummond on July 23, 2021, 12:50:49 AM
Looks like Arse are trying to buy Ramsdale from Sheffield Utd.
If I sat on their board, I’d be pushing to sack Arteta. The Martinez decision was unforgivable.
Sheff Utd apparently looking for more than £32m! Haha
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 23, 2021, 02:15:14 AM
Looks like Arse are trying to buy Ramsdale from Sheffield Utd.
If I sat on their board, I’d be pushing to sack Arteta. The Martinez decision was unforgivable.
Sheff Utd apparently looking for more than £32m! Haha
Bloody hell. How much will they want for Berge?
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2021, 03:49:02 AM
Looks like Arse are trying to buy Ramsdale from Sheffield Utd.
If I sat on their board, I’d be pushing to sack Arteta. The Martinez decision was unforgivable.
Sheff Utd apparently looking for more than £32m! Haha
Bloody hell. How much will they want for Berge?
If we tried to get him we would also need to pay the tax associated with staying up because they were so robbed by “that goal” at Villa Park.
Post by: CT on July 23, 2021, 07:01:31 PM
https://twitter.com/thetremontipick/status/1418628165279391751?s=21
Post by: nigel on July 23, 2021, 07:35:38 PM
Looks like Arse are trying to buy Ramsdale from Sheffield Utd.
If I sat on their board, I’d be pushing to sack Arteta. The Martinez decision was unforgivable.
Sheff Utd apparently looking for more than £32m! Haha
Bloody hell. How much will they want for Berge?
F**k me, where would that put Emi?
Post by: eamonn on July 23, 2021, 08:04:21 PM
Post by: CT on July 23, 2021, 08:27:22 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 23, 2021, 08:31:41 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 31, 2021, 06:23:16 PM
Just a few issues on kicking distribution but unbelievable really how good he is .
Wouldn't swap him for anyone.
Do think a back up is needed alongside Steer
An older head keeper.
Alot of Prem clubs employ this more experienced goal keeper as part of the goalkeeping squad
Though Randolph would be good as West Ham have signed a keeper on loan and they also still have Fabinanski
But someone along those lines now Heaton has left us.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 31, 2021, 06:27:29 PM
Though Randolph would be good as West Ham have signed a keeper on loan and they also still have Fabinanski
Hallelujah!
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 31, 2021, 07:37:55 PM
If we're looking for an experienced third choice then we should sign Brad Guzan.
joke
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 12, 2021, 06:24:53 PM
https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1425774480073371651?s=20
Post by: CT on August 12, 2021, 06:26:20 PM
"I love Everything about Aston Villa... It is a club who helped me be a number 1."
https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1425774480073371651?s=20
"I love Everything about Aston Villa”
Haven’t we been down this road before?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 12, 2021, 06:27:21 PM
"I love Everything about Aston Villa... It is a club who helped me be a number 1."
https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1425774480073371651?s=20
Beautiful.
Post by: rooboy316 on August 12, 2021, 06:37:01 PM
"I love Everything about Aston Villa... It is a club who helped me be a number 1."
https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1425774480073371651?s=20
"I love Everything about Aston Villa”
Haven’t we been down this road before?
Don’t stress. He’ll sign a 5 year deal soon and then he’ll be going nowhere. Winky thing.
Post by: eamonn on August 12, 2021, 06:46:43 PM
"I love Everything about Aston Villa... It is a club who helped me be a number 1."
https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1425774480073371651?s=20
Emi's more mature and trustworthy.
"I love Everything about Aston Villa”
Haven’t we been down this road before?
Post by: TheMalandro on August 13, 2021, 09:15:52 AM
"I love Everything about Aston Villa... It is a club who helped me be a number 1."
https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1425774480073371651?s=20
I believe him.
Great guy.
Post by: richtheholtender on August 13, 2021, 10:49:31 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2021, 10:58:51 PM
Post by: Risso on August 13, 2021, 11:44:02 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on August 13, 2021, 11:49:28 PM
Time for creative thinking.
Send them on a quest!
First owner back with the Grail...
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2021, 09:51:56 AM
So they won't be playing Vs Chelsea next day Saturday!
Plus the quarantine rules of red list means 10 days isolation so not playing Vs Everton on 18th if I'm right ?
Factor in also Bailey on quarantine rules red list
Post by: paul_e on August 20, 2021, 12:25:32 PM
So people are aware before hand. In a few weeks Martinez, Buendia, Douglas Luiz will be playing 3 international matches in a week with the last of their matches at Argentina 1230am and Brazil 130am Friday
So they won't be playing Vs Chelsea next day Saturday!
Plus the quarantine rules of red list means 10 days isolation so not playing Vs Everton on 18th if I'm right ?
Factor in also Bailey on quarantine rules red list
Maybe not, there's been some talk of Luiz not being called up for these games to give him a bit of a break.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 21, 2021, 06:17:41 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 21, 2021, 06:18:59 PM
God emi veey lucky today. Very unlike him to do what he did. We git abut lucky. Lets hope was a one offI can't believe he was arguing with the referee after the penalty was given - it was poor goalkeeping - he took Wilson out.
Post by: KRS on August 21, 2021, 06:22:50 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 21, 2021, 06:29:49 PM
Thought we got a bit lucky there. Wilson's foot was probably 5cm ahead of last defender but was under the impression those close offsides wouldn't be called this season. No doubt Watkins will have one of those chalked off once he gets back.
Would've been very annoyed if we'd lost a penalty from that situation, actually thought at first the check was on whether it was serious foul play and a red card.
Post by: paul_e on August 21, 2021, 06:32:04 PM
Reminded me of Bosnich on Klinsmann a bit they way he flew into Wilson.
Thought we got a bit lucky there. Wilson's foot was probably 5cm ahead of last defender but was under the impression those close offsides wouldn't be called this season. No doubt Watkins will have one of those chalked off once he gets back.
Would've been very annoyed if we'd lost a penalty from that situation, actually thought at first the check was on whether it was serious foul play and a red card.
I don't think it was as close as that, looked a good 6 inches offside to me, certainly enough that the lino should've flagged.
Post by: dave shelley on August 21, 2021, 06:33:24 PM
Absolute ridiculous…no idea what he was thinking doing what he did. We got away with that one and he’s lucky not to have been sent off. On the flip side, I don’t understand why the yellow card stands if the foul and subsequent penalty doesn’t. It would have been even worse if he’d have received a red as I presume that couldn’t be rescinded either. Doesn’t make sense.
The referee gave the correct decision in the penalty no doubt, the card was justified and could have been worse. The fact that VAR called it back on this occasion is not because the referee made a mistake. VAR did what we all want it to do and that is to ensure that the correct decison was arrived at. Whatever the outcome, the foul was definitely a card, the fact that the incident was changed should make no difference at all, a foul is a foul. No complaints about it standing from me.
Post by: paul_e on August 21, 2021, 06:36:37 PM
Absolute ridiculous…no idea what he was thinking doing what he did. We got away with that one and he’s lucky not to have been sent off. On the flip side, I don’t understand why the yellow card stands if the foul and subsequent penalty doesn’t. It would have been even worse if he’d have received a red as I presume that couldn’t be rescinded either. Doesn’t make sense.
The referee gave the correct decision in the penalty no doubt, the card was justified and could have been worse. The fact that VAR called it back on this occasion is not because the referee made a mistake. VAR did what we all want it to do and that is to ensure that the correct decison was arrived at. Whatever the outcome, the foul was definitely a card, the fact that the incident was changed should make no difference at all, a foul is a foul. No complaints about it standing from me.
but if the lino had flagged instead of letting it go to be checked by VAR the incident would never have happened.
Post by: Risso on August 21, 2021, 08:08:24 PM
but if the lino had flagged instead of letting it go to be checked by VAR the incident would never have happened.
Not sure that that's the case Paul, it all happened quickly but looked to me like one of those where both the keeper and attacker were fully commited to a course of action that wasn't going to be stopped by a lino's flag.
Post by: paul_e on August 21, 2021, 08:10:08 PM
but if the lino had flagged instead of letting it go to be checked by VAR the incident would never have happened.
Not sure that that's the case Paul, it all happened quickly but looked to me like one of those where both the keeper and attacker were fully commited to a course of action that wasn't going to be stopped by a lino's flag.
Maybe but have you ever seen a yellow for 2 players running into each other after the whistle has gone? For me he was far enough offside that you'd expect the lino to see it, especially given him, mings and konsa were all running in the same direction.
Post by: tony scott on August 22, 2021, 05:53:45 AM
Post by: Ian. on August 22, 2021, 06:07:01 AM
Post by: CT on August 22, 2021, 08:36:31 AM
How nice for it to go with us for a change. Much laughter at the Newcastle fans at that point!
Post by: frank black on August 22, 2021, 09:11:41 AM
Have to say if those decisions were against us I would have been fuming, but remember if they would have got the pen no guarantee they would have scored.
I’m known for my relative impartial views on refs decisions (much to the annoyance of the folks I sit with). Those decisions were obvious and not marginal at all, therefore I wouldn’t have been fuming at all. For once an example of VAR doing a good job. Not that I’m a fan of VAR
Post by: Moonraker on August 22, 2021, 11:09:15 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 22, 2021, 11:14:07 AM
Another time that's nearly a Red card.
Post by: paul_e on August 22, 2021, 11:31:06 AM
Have to say if those decisions were against us I would have been fuming, but remember if they would have got the pen no guarantee they would have scored.
I’m known for my relative impartial views on refs decisions (much to the annoyance of the folks I sit with). Those decisions were obvious and not marginal at all, therefore I wouldn’t have been fuming at all. For once an example of VAR doing a good job. Not that I’m a fan of VAR
Yep, both were correcting mistakes by the on-field officials, the ref should've been able to see the handball from where he was, it was blatant and was 100% a goal if he didn't do it, if anything they still got away with it because it was a clear yellow card as well (it would've been red until the last few years). For theirs the lino should definitely have flagged for the offside and if anything the lines made it look closer than it really was.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2021, 12:06:14 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 23, 2021, 11:19:51 PM
So people are aware before hand. In a few weeks Martinez, Buendia, Douglas Luiz will be playing 3 international matches in a week with the last of their matches at Argentina 1230am and Brazil 130am Friday
So they won't be playing Vs Chelsea next day Saturday!
Plus the quarantine rules of red list means 10 days isolation so not playing Vs Everton on 18th if I'm right ?
Factor in also Bailey on quarantine rules red list
Maybe not, there's been some talk of Luiz not being called up for these games to give him a bit of a break.
Well Martinez and Buendia have been called up to Argentina
We could have these 2 players at least unavailable.
There's a possibility that it's up to 6 matches 2 in each of
September, October and November international matches
Post by: BC Villain on August 28, 2021, 08:14:47 PM
So people are aware before hand. In a few weeks Martinez, Buendia, Douglas Luiz will be playing 3 international matches in a week with the last of their matches at Argentina 1230am and Brazil 130am Friday
So they won't be playing Vs Chelsea next day Saturday!
Plus the quarantine rules of red list means 10 days isolation so not playing Vs Everton on 18th if I'm right ?
Factor in also Bailey on quarantine rules red list
Maybe not, there's been some talk of Luiz not being called up for these games to give him a bit of a break.
Well Martinez and Buendia have been called up to Argentina
We could have these 2 players at least unavailable.
There's a possibility that it's up to 6 matches 2 in each of
September, October and November international matches
Looks like their both going against the club and the Premier League's guidance by going. Very very disappointing given our injury problems.
Post by: Hairbandinho on August 28, 2021, 08:15:56 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on August 28, 2021, 08:16:53 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 28, 2021, 08:23:01 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on August 28, 2021, 08:27:10 PM
Where is it saying that?
Dean, this evening
Post by: mr underhill on August 28, 2021, 08:32:24 PM
Post by: Ian. on August 28, 2021, 08:35:48 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on August 28, 2021, 08:37:01 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 28, 2021, 08:47:39 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on August 28, 2021, 08:56:38 PM
They are not alone in this choice.
It must be a very difficult decision if you know you are OK and your national team are saying it’s OK - and that the travel and playing arrangements are completely different from tourist travel with dedicated bubbles, etc.
I would be checking what is planned for the national team in Argentina with assured sealed travel, training, accommodation and changing / playing arrangements at different venues. And returning, of course.
Post by: Ads on August 28, 2021, 08:58:34 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on August 28, 2021, 09:03:28 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on August 28, 2021, 09:12:18 PM
If they haven’t...
Post by: Demitri_C on August 28, 2021, 09:40:21 PM
Its also unfair on our club we pay the wages and now they will moss 3 games
Post by: Louzie0 on August 28, 2021, 09:57:59 PM
If a player insisted on going, then somewhere, somehow, someone is giving them completely crap information about their personal safety...
Edit
He and Buendia have been allowed to go for 2 matches, so I have edited this post which was OTT re consequences but isn’t as entertaining given the reality.
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2021, 10:07:04 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 28, 2021, 10:29:57 PM
Why was their goal ruled out from the attempted clearance? I know you can’t kick a ball out of the goalie’s hands, but Emi had totally let go of it.I think he was still deemed to be 'in control' of the ball so the challenge was penalised as dangerous play. I thought Emi was a bit lucky because he seemed to have released the ball too far in front of himself from my vantage point in the Upper Holte.
Post by: TheMalandro on August 28, 2021, 10:57:18 PM
Why was their goal ruled out from the attempted clearance? I know you can’t kick a ball out of the goalie’s hands, but Emi had totally let go of it.
I'd be very pissed off with that, If I supported Brentford.
Post by: TheMalandro on August 28, 2021, 11:22:18 PM
As frustrating as it is, it's their choice.
Post by: Colhint on August 28, 2021, 11:32:49 PM
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2021, 11:37:51 PM
Why was their goal ruled out from the attempted clearance? I know you can’t kick a ball out of the goalie’s hands, but Emi had totally let go of it.
I'd be very pissed off with that, If I supported Brentford.
Until the keepers kicked it, under the laws its in his control
Post by: KRS on August 29, 2021, 04:25:53 AM
Why was their goal ruled out from the attempted clearance? I know you can’t kick a ball out of the goalie’s hands, but Emi had totally let go of it.The rules have actually been like that for years. I just so happened to watch some YouTube videos of Ronaldinho that came up on my suggested list, and he did something similar and ended up being booked for it. I think it’s also deemed and considered to be unsportsmanlike conduct in modern day football, however it now falls under the umbrella of “being in control of the ball” and a goalkeeper does need to let go of the ball when kicking it out of his hands so he still in control of it despite letting go of the ball (ie a controlled and intended process of releasing the ball in order to kick it).
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 29, 2021, 07:08:02 AM
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 29, 2021, 09:09:23 AM
I get the urge of representing your country but you really wanna risk dangering yourself by going to a red country?
Its also unfair on our club we pay the wages and now they will moss 3 games
It's probably more of a health risk for them to be in the UK to be honest. The UK's infection rate is 4x that of Argentina, and climbing, and the UK is in the same risk category as Argentina, for Germany at least.
Post by: Risso on August 29, 2021, 09:14:23 AM
Fair enough, found the actual rule:
"A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand(s) when:
the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms, except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save
holding the ball in the outstretched open hand
bouncing it on the ground or throwing it in the air
A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hand(s)."
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 29, 2021, 10:59:42 AM
I get the urge of representing your country but you really wanna risk dangering yourself by going to a red country?
Its also unfair on our club we pay the wages and now they will moss 3 games
It's probably more of a health risk for them to be in the UK to be honest. The UK's infection rate is 4x that of Argentina, and climbing, and the UK is in the same risk category as Argentina, for Germany at least.
In terms of risk to themselves, this is actually a very good point. Argentina on ‘red’ list, is this Governments red list. The UK have had one of the worst infection rates in the world.
The issue really then is club vrs country, with the added factor of isolating and missing more games than normal. I think the two Emi’s are in a difficult position given they’ve just broken into the team as the number one, in Martinez’s case, and broken into the squad in buendias case.
However, given the problems we’ve had with players out, to knowingly ignore your clubs request to not go, is a bit concerning and adds another layer to our already fragmented start to the season.
Post by: Drummond on August 29, 2021, 11:14:41 AM
I'd much rather the Premier League managed to make an agreement with the National sides, for either the players not to go or for the national sides to agree with FIFA and/or CONCACAF that games (international or club) be postponed.
Post by: richtheholtender on August 29, 2021, 11:39:42 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 29, 2021, 11:51:45 AM
Post by: nigel on August 29, 2021, 12:43:16 PM
Why was their goal ruled out from the attempted clearance? I know you can’t kick a ball out of the goalie’s hands, but Emi had totally let go of it.
He’s still deemed to be in possession throughout the kicking process
Post by: Risso on August 29, 2021, 12:44:33 PM
Am I right to assume all Villa players are vaccinated? I read something last week about not all footballers were but I would hope Villa at least have our squad protected.
Nothing's been said, but as it's individual choice, I don't think you'd be right to make that assumption.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 29, 2021, 12:58:07 PM
Am I right to assume all Villa players are vaccinated? I read something last week about not all footballers were but I would hope Villa at least have our squad protected.
Nothing's been said, but as it's individual choice, I don't think you'd be right to make that assumption.
Yeah, there's been a number of articles lately about the challenges of getting footballers (and other athletes) vaccinated.
Now, the only three clubs that have gone public with their vaccination rates have quoted great numbers. I suspect, though, many other clubs won't share the data because the numbers would cause alarm.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 29, 2021, 01:15:59 PM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 29, 2021, 01:29:41 PM
Unless it's a Man c player who's coming from 20 yds offside!!Why was their goal ruled out from the attempted clearance? I know you can’t kick a ball out of the goalie’s hands, but Emi had totally let go of it.
He’s still deemed to be in possession throughout the kicking process
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 29, 2021, 01:44:41 PM
Fair enough, found the actual rule:
"A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand(s) when:
the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms, except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save
holding the ball in the outstretched open hand
bouncing it on the ground or throwing it in the air
A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hand(s)."
Now can you find one about release clauses?
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 29, 2021, 04:03:15 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 29, 2021, 05:19:07 PM
All this villa villa load of blar blar when you see what’s going on
Eh?
Post by: CT on August 29, 2021, 05:38:30 PM
All this villa villa load of blar blar when you see what’s going on
Eh?
I think it’s the lyrics from “Radio Ga Ga” 😉
Post by: Ads on August 29, 2021, 05:43:47 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 29, 2021, 05:51:02 PM
It's an Argentinean thing I would suspect.
You suggesting WW's post was a reference to Marvin Gaye's 'Pata-gonian'?
Post by: OCD on August 29, 2021, 06:28:18 PM
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2021, 07:21:09 PM
Post by: CT on August 29, 2021, 07:25:42 PM
12 games this season they could miss due to this madness. They have been pictured on a flight so have def gone. Stupid situation.
Agreed, it’s ridiculous. The club have now confirmed they’ve gone with their blessing.
Post by: charleeco7 on August 29, 2021, 07:32:43 PM
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Aston Villa can confirm Emi Martínez and Emi Buendía have travelled to join up with the Argentina squad with the permission of the club in accordance with FIFA’s international match call-up rules.
Both players have agreed to make themselves available for Argentina’s vital first two World Cup qualifying matches against Venezuela and Brazil but will not take part in the third international match against Bolivia.
These arrangements mean that Martinez and Buendia will only miss our Premier League match with Chelsea before being available for the visit of Everton to Villa Park on 18th September in order to comply with the UK’s Covid quarantine regulations.
There are no easy solutions as the Covid-19 pandemic continues to adversely impact professional sport. After careful consideration we think this plan respects the long established call-up rules and balances the importance which top players place on representing their countries in important matches with the best interests of Aston Villa.
We wish all of our players who are joining up with their national teams the best of luck in their upcoming matches.
Post by: Risso on August 29, 2021, 07:37:07 PM
Post by: Steve67 on August 29, 2021, 07:40:05 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 29, 2021, 07:41:12 PM
Post by: CT on August 29, 2021, 07:41:54 PM
If we don’t turn up, we just lose 3-0 right? 😉
Post by: charleeco7 on August 29, 2021, 07:46:05 PM
Seems all four Argentine players in the prem are going.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 29, 2021, 07:49:13 PM
Post by: Steve67 on August 29, 2021, 07:51:39 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on August 29, 2021, 08:02:03 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 29, 2021, 08:04:10 PM
Reflects well on the club, hopefully this will encourage potential new signings. We would probably lose to Chelsea anyway. Assume Bailey not in Jamaica squad? Hopefully he will be available.
That's my take as well and the situation has been communicated in a clear and timely manner.
Playing for Argentina is obviously a big deal for both Emis and think facilitating this will stand us in good stead (with them) going forward.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 29, 2021, 08:13:46 PM
Absolutely farcical , lucky to have 11 men at this rate
Post by: Ian. on August 29, 2021, 08:16:17 PM
We have no choice really, we have to let them play for their nations. If we don’t like it we really need to stop buying good players.Reflects well on the club, hopefully this will encourage potential new signings. We would probably lose to Chelsea anyway. Assume Bailey not in Jamaica squad? Hopefully he will be available.
That's my take as well and the situation has been communicated in a clear and timely manner.
Playing for Argentina is obviously a big deal for both Emis and think facilitating this will stand us in good stead (with them) going forward.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 29, 2021, 08:16:44 PM
Reflects well on the club, hopefully this will encourage potential new signings. We would probably lose to Chelsea anyway. Assume Bailey not in Jamaica squad? Hopefully he will be available.
I posted on the Bailey thread a few weeks back Jamaica have a tournament later this season with 8 or 9 games.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2021, 08:38:07 PM
Post by: Ads on August 29, 2021, 08:39:38 PM
McGinn, Sanson and Ramsey available for potential selection to join Dougie in the middle. Mings back, Konsa too. Quality will be significantly upgraded.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 29, 2021, 08:49:39 PM
not all Smith’s fault but we constantly appear to be on the back foot. Aggressively bidding for ESR seems a long time ago.
Post by: Risso on August 29, 2021, 09:52:23 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 29, 2021, 10:09:54 PM
This is a terrible decision in my opinion.
I agree. Our club should come first over any international game for any country
Post by: AV82EC on August 29, 2021, 10:12:17 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 29, 2021, 10:22:48 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 29, 2021, 10:23:54 PM
What are they supposed to do? Cancel the World Cup Qualifiers and pick names out of a hat?
Gives Scotland a chance
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 29, 2021, 10:26:20 PM
Post by: KNVillan on August 29, 2021, 10:27:23 PM
And they’d probably loseWhat are they supposed to do? Cancel the World Cup Qualifiers and pick names out of a hat?
Gives Scotland a chance
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 29, 2021, 10:32:06 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 29, 2021, 10:33:05 PM
Absolutely farcical situation. We lose two of our best players, again.Not farcical at all. We signed Argentinian internationails so what do we expect? We also signed these players during the current pandemic and should have recognised the possible complications due to that. And we are not alone. This will affect many other PL clubs.
Post by: Risso on August 29, 2021, 10:44:30 PM
Absolutely farcical situation. We lose two of our best players, again.Not farcical at all. We signed Argentinian internationails so what do we expect? We also signed these players during the current pandemic and should have recognised the possible complications due to that. And we are not alone. This will affect many other PL clubs.
Except that all the other clubs are refusing to release their players, eg Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea, Man U Everton and Leeds with their Egyptian and Brazilian players. Also Newcastle with Almiron and Paraguay etc.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 29, 2021, 10:47:52 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 29, 2021, 10:55:23 PM
It’s probably the right call but it absolutely knackers us for Chelsea. It’s not like they’re fringe players is it.
We once lost 7-1 at Chelsea and finished 6th so it's not really a season defining game. I think they'll win the league so suggests not many teams will get much there, can't remember the last time we won there either.
Steer has never let us down in the past (albeit not at prem level) so just have to hope he comes in and has amazing game.
Just hope likes of Bailey and Watkins are up to speed in two weeks so we can at least test them a bit at the other end. Oh and the mythical DM is also starting for us.
Post by: Risso on August 29, 2021, 10:57:05 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 29, 2021, 11:06:48 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 29, 2021, 11:07:16 PM
Post by: Risso on August 29, 2021, 11:12:25 PM
They probably have private gyms and palatial homes and gardens so would guess that they'll be given individual training routines to keep them occupied. We seemed to get better in 2020 when Smith was conducting tactical training by Zoom, so maybe it will work out fine.
You mean when we drew 2 and lost 4 of the first 6 games back?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 29, 2021, 11:38:50 PM
Looks to me like the club told them not to go, and they flicked them the Vs and went anyway.
Where did you see that?
Looks like most of the selected Argentinian players are heading to Venezuela. Romero and Lo Celso from Spurs as well as 3 from PSG i.e. Di Maria, Paredes and some bloke called Messi.
Post by: richtheholtender on August 29, 2021, 11:41:03 PM
Looks to me like the club told them not to go, and they flicked them the Vs and went anyway. They might be out of quarantine for the Everton game, but they wont be fit having been under house arrest in a hotel room for 10 days not training. Not impressed.
Based on nothing but gut instinct I tend to agree. I really hope Steer comes in and does well.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2021, 12:19:33 AM
They probably have private gyms and palatial homes and gardens so would guess that they'll be given individual training routines to keep them occupied. We seemed to get better in 2020 when Smith was conducting tactical training by Zoom, so maybe it will work out fine.
You mean when we drew 2 and lost 4 of the first 6 games back?
Stop bringing facts into it, please. 😡
Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 30, 2021, 04:34:05 AM
Looks to me like the club told them not to go, and they flicked them the Vs and went anyway. They might be out of quarantine for the Everton game, but they wont be fit having been under house arrest in a hotel room for 10 days not training. Not impressed.
That does not seem to be the case. Demonstrably a conversation was had and from that a compromise was reached. Not a great outcome but, on balance, better than losing them for three games.
Argentinians are incredibly patriotic. I think a refusal to let them go would have been a worse decision, longer term.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 30, 2021, 05:30:24 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/SAE1LV1.gif?noredirect)
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 30, 2021, 06:31:27 AM
Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 08:03:37 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 30, 2021, 08:15:36 AM
So are Brazilians not proud to play for their country? Why are they going and not Luiz?
Was Luiz selected? I read they were considering resting him having done the copa/Olympic double header.
Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 08:25:26 AM
So are Brazilians not proud to play for their country? Why are they going and not Luiz?
Was Luiz selected? I read they were considering resting him having done the copa/Olympic double header.
I don't know. Any of the other Brazilians in the Premier League then.
Post by: Monty on August 30, 2021, 08:29:50 AM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 30, 2021, 08:29:54 AM
Looks to me like the club told them not to go, and they flicked them the Vs and went anyway.
Where did you see that?
Looks like most of the selected Argentinian players are heading to Venezuela. Romero and Lo Celso from Spurs as well as 3 from PSG i.e. Di Maria, Paredes and some bloke called Messi.
Smith said in one of his interviews post Brentford that the club had asked them not to go, and he had told them he didn't want them to go. Seems pretty clear to me that this nonsense is face saving after they ignored it. The only compromise is the Bolivia game.
Post by: CT on August 30, 2021, 08:36:00 AM
I don't see the problem. It's only our best player and our record signing, in the middle of a historic injury crisis. And it lets us look really really nice.
Agreed. There’s little or no loyalty in football anyway. If Bayern Munich come calling next summer with a “treble your wages” offer for Martinez, he’ll be gone like a shot, however much goodwill we’ve shown.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 30, 2021, 08:49:34 AM
So are Brazilians not proud to play for their country? Why are they going and not Luiz?
I'll admit my data is not extensive; the total consisting of three Argentinians I know and no Brazilians.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 30, 2021, 08:53:50 AM
Post by: Monty on August 30, 2021, 08:54:57 AM
With our luck one of them will come back crocked.
Don't be silly. Both will
Post by: sickbeggar on August 30, 2021, 08:59:47 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2021, 09:04:00 AM
So are Brazilians not proud to play for their country? Why are they going and not Luiz?
Luiz doesn't seem to have been picked.
Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 09:11:13 AM
Post by: Villan82 on August 30, 2021, 09:15:37 AM
Absolutely farcical situation. We lose two of our best players, again.
I would have liked us to go for more European players to avoid the disruption of international football in other continents.
Post by: aj2k77 on August 30, 2021, 09:17:46 AM
Post by: Monty on August 30, 2021, 09:19:06 AM
Do we get extra points for being nice guys? How many did we get for rolling over for Man City and Grealish?
*sigh*
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 30, 2021, 09:21:50 AM
Do we get extra points for being nice guys? How many did we get for rolling over for Man City and Grealish?
No extra points, but at least we won't lose a court case.
Post by: aj2k77 on August 30, 2021, 09:22:31 AM
Do we get extra points for being nice guys? How many did we get for rolling over for Man City and Grealish?
*sigh*
Exactly how I feel when we let players travel across the globe to miss league games. Meanwhile we play in a league that has clubs like Man Utd who barely released a player to play in Wales for 20 years. Why we've hampered ourself here I don't know. Probably a gentleman's agreement.
Post by: Monty on August 30, 2021, 09:23:42 AM
Post by: Rico on August 30, 2021, 09:30:22 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 30, 2021, 09:44:23 AM
Do we get extra points for being nice guys? How many did we get for rolling over for Man City and Grealish?
I'm on the phone to the Barrow chairman as we speak.
Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 10:38:32 AM
If Jed comes in and plays a blinder, maybe keeps a clean sheet then surely he keeps the shirt and Emi has to suck it up whilst sitting on the bench. Go Jed!
You would hope so.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2021, 10:40:04 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2021, 11:36:53 AM
Post by: Monty on August 30, 2021, 11:38:49 AM
Tottenham have two players playing in all three Argentina games so will miss three Tottenham games.
It's funny how much this actually does comfort me.
Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 11:58:33 AM
Tottenham have two players playing in all three Argentina games so will miss three Tottenham games.
It's funny how much this actually does comfort me.
They're not half as important to Spurs as Buendia and Martinez are to us though. Lo Celso is a bit part player for them at best.
Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 12:01:03 PM
If Steer saves three penalties and we win one-nil, Martinez will still be straight back in assuming he's fit to do so.
I'm not sure they'll be that fit after 10 days in a quarantine hotel room. They're not going to be in their palatial homes and nice gardens, you do realise?
Post by: Monty on August 30, 2021, 12:02:09 PM
Tottenham have two players playing in all three Argentina games so will miss three Tottenham games.
It's funny how much this actually does comfort me.
They're not half as important to Spurs as Buendia and Martinez are to us though. Lo Celso is a bit part player for them at best.
At least we'd lose to Chelsea anyway? Not so much clutching at straws here as flailing about in a barn like Michael Gove trying to dance.
Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 12:03:34 PM
At least we'd lose to Chelsea anyway? Not so much clutching at straws here as flailing about in a barn like Michael Gove trying to dance.
Maybe. Although as I said above, it's doubtful they'll be fit to play in the next match after 10 days in a hotel of the government's choice.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 30, 2021, 12:07:37 PM
All a bit odd to me considering UK cases are being posted regularly at 30k + now and just had 40 thousand sitting alongside each other on Saturday.
I think regarding Everton I don't see an issue with Emi fitness as keeper just needs a day or two of training to get back into things given it's a different prep to outfield player.
Hopefully by then we can put out front 3 of Bailey-Ings-Watkins and then have a new DM with McGinn and Luiz ahead so that looks o.k to me and Buendia will be good option off the bench given his workrate and pressing.
Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 12:23:31 PM
Can't they just isolate at home or is it completely mandatory still for hotel occupation if you go abroad? I mean pick them up from the airport with a big limo so two metre distance is still observed and drop them off at their homes, are McGinn and Ramsey having to isolate at the Belfry now or are they at their family homes, McGinn seems to want to play in two of the three Scotland games coming up.
All a bit odd to me considering UK cases are being posted regularly at 30k + now and just had 40 thousand sitting alongside each other on Saturday.
I think regarding Everton I don't see an issue with Emi fitness as keeper just needs a day or two of training to get back into things given it's a different prep to outfield player.
Hopefully by then we can put out front 3 of Bailey-Ings-Watkins and then have a new DM with McGinn and Luiz ahead so that looks o.k to me and Buendia will be good option off the bench given his workrate and pressing.
There are exemptions for elite sportsmen, but then I checked the legislation, and they have to be taking part in one of these competitions:
(3) The following elite sports events are specified for the purposes of sub-paragraph (1)(h) to (l)—
(a)the 2020 UEFA European Football Championship;
(b)All England Lawn Tennis Club – The Championships, Wimbledon;
(c)England & Wales Cricket Board International Cricket fixtures;
(d)ICC World Test Championship Final;
(e)Lawn Tennis Association – Birmingham Classic;
(f)Lawn Tennis Association – Cinch Championships;
(g)Lawn Tennis Association – Eastbourne International;
(h)Lawn Tennis Association – Nottingham Open;
(i)Lawn Tennis Association – Nottingham Trophy.
[F9(j)R & A – The Open Championship;
(k)British Grand Prix.]
I suppose it's possible that the government could make an exemption [seeing as they make most things up as they go along, amirite?), but seeing how the Premier League has tried to ban the players going, I wouldn't think that's too likely, as it would then encourage other players to break the ban. Assuming they have to quarantine in a hotel, this is what they have to do:
"Leaving your room
You will only be allowed to leave your room in very limited circumstances including:
to travel directly to leave the Common Travel Area – you will be given instructions when leaving on how to reduce the risk of infection while you travel through the UK to leave, if you are not taken directly to the port of exit by the hotel transportation
to fulfil a legal obligation including attending court or satisfying bail conditions or to participate in legal proceedings
to exercise but only with special permission from security. This is not guaranteed
in exceptional circumstances, such as:
seeking medical assistance where this is required urgently or on the advice of a registered medical practitioner
to avoid injury, illness or escape a risk of harm (for example situations such as fire or flooding, or cases where domestic abuse occurs within a group quarantining together)
to access critical public services including social services or services provided to victims (for example critical access such as for a child to see their social worker)
to access veterinary services where required urgently or on the advice of a veterinary surgeon (only service animals, such as guide dogs, can accompany you to managed quarantine)"
Other than that, 24 hours of Netflix. If this is what they have chosen to do, then their starting position must in no way be guaranteed when they return.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2021, 12:24:57 PM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 30, 2021, 12:32:59 PM
Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 12:50:46 PM
Does it really matter if they quarantine at home or in a hotel room? You get a treadmill and/or bike in plus some weights/bands and it's not difficult to stay physically fit for a short period of time. Match/training sharp, not so much of course.
A huge difference, surely. They don't get to choose a penthouse suite with loads of room, it'll be a Premier Inn if they're lucky. Completely different to being able to run around a garden and kick a ball about. It'll be like being in prison for two weeks, except they won't be allowed out, at all.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 30, 2021, 12:56:10 PM
Does it really matter if they quarantine at home or in a hotel room? You get a treadmill and/or bike in plus some weights/bands and it's not difficult to stay physically fit for a short period of time. Match/training sharp, not so much of course.
A huge difference, surely. They don't get to choose a penthouse suite with loads of room, it'll be a Premier Inn if they're lucky. Completely different to being able to run around a garden and kick a ball about. It'll be like being in prison for two weeks, except they won't be allowed out, at all.
I didn't know that. Here, and in Singapore, you select your quarantine hotel yourself. Anything reasonably decent and you can add bikes, treadmills etc. to your booking. You can also deliver stuff to the room (e.g. weights and so forth) and obviously catered food.
Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 01:55:25 PM
Also, does anybody think they're really going to play in the Everton match?
Argentina play Brazil on Sunday Sept 5 at 8pm, and they're four hours behind GMT. Assuming they fly back in the morning, best case scenario with the flight time and time difference they're not arriving in the UK until Monday 6th, and to do that they've have to set off at the crack of dawn. That's day 0 for quarantine purposes. They then have 10 full days in a Travel Tavern trying not to go stir crazy, before finally being allowed out on Friday 17, they day before we play, having had no training or even proper exercise for 10 days. If they're slightly later setting off and they don't arrive until the Tuesday, then they don't get out of quarantine until the actual day of the Everton match. Either way, it's not very likely they'll play.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 30, 2021, 03:51:00 PM
Does it really matter if they quarantine at home or in a hotel room? You get a treadmill and/or bike in plus some weights/bands and it's not difficult to stay physically fit for a short period of time. Match/training sharp, not so much of course.
A huge difference, surely. They don't get to choose a penthouse suite with loads of room, it'll be a Premier Inn if they're lucky. Completely different to being able to run around a garden and kick a ball about. It'll be like being in prison for two weeks, except they won't be allowed out, at all.
between Villa and Spurs I reckon they could block book a hotel with decent facilities and get it signed off by the government. Money talks after all. In fact the players should be the ones stumping up the cash.
Theoretically could they spend time in a different green/amber country and train there?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 30, 2021, 03:55:36 PM
Does it really matter if they quarantine at home or in a hotel room?
Less chance of being sexually harassed if you're at home.
Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 03:58:45 PM
Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 04:22:38 PM
https://www.tycsports.com/seleccion-argentina/seleccion-argentina-premier-league-aislamiento-dibu-martinez-cuti-romero-emiliano-buendia-giovani-lo-celso-id368840.html
Post by: Mister E on August 30, 2021, 05:40:41 PM
Post by: Ian. on August 30, 2021, 05:44:43 PM
I still can’t stand International Football though.
Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 06:26:26 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 30, 2021, 07:22:39 PM
Post by: London Villan on August 30, 2021, 07:29:34 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 30, 2021, 11:21:35 PM
If they've been double-jabbed, I thought they just needed to produce a negative PCR test to be clear to carry on.If they return from a green list country after staying there for 10 days. Let's hope this Croatian island is on that list.
Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 11:32:58 PM
"Aug 29 (Reuters) - Argentina said on Sunday that Aston Villa’s Emiliano Martinez and Emiliano Buendia were available for all three of their September World Cup qualifiers, despite the Premier League club saying the players would only take part in the first two.
Goalkeeper Martinez and winger Buendia have been called up for Argentina’s triple header against Venezuela (Sept. 2), Brazil (Sept. 5) and Bolivia (Sept. 9) in their 2022 World Cup qualifying campaign.
The Premier League had said its clubs would not release players called up for international duty if they are playing matches in a country on the UK’s red list but both players flew out to join their team mates in Buenos Aires after Saturday’s 1-1 draw with Brentford.
“Both players have agreed to make themselves available for Argentina’s vital first two World Cup qualifying matches against Venezuela and Brazil but will not take part in the third international match against Bolivia,” Aston Villa said on the club’s website.
“These arrangements mean that Martinez and Buendia will only miss our Premier League match with Chelsea before being available for the visit of Everton to Villa Park on 18th September in order to comply with the UK’s COVID quarantine regulations.”
However, a spokesperson for the Argentine Football Association said both players would be available for all three games and cited an earlier Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) ruling against La Liga on a similar issue.
“Our players are scheduled for three knockout dates and that’s it,” said the spokesperson."
Not looking very promising.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2021, 11:37:01 PM
I can understand that they'd want to play against Brazil, especially when they're yet to even come close to guaranteeing qualification. However, having them play a home match against Bolivia, who they could probably beat if they picked their under-16 girls futsal squad, is taking the piss.
Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 11:39:42 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2021, 11:46:10 PM
If Argentina decide to thank us for being more reasonable than all other clubs but one by fucking us over, then we should tell the players we expect them not to travel next time.
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 30, 2021, 11:48:45 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2021, 11:51:48 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 30, 2021, 11:55:44 PM
Maybe it was better top let them go, even if it does cost us a couple of points, and have two happier players fo the rest of the season and beyond.
That's my view. Also bear in mind this is their first international get together since they won the Copa America (Messi's first trophy with Argentina) so I'd imagine they'd be keen to be a part of that plus there's a game against Brasil.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 31, 2021, 12:20:21 AM
Post by: Drummond on August 31, 2021, 10:11:23 AM
Maybe it was better top let them go, even if it does cost us a couple of points, and have two happier players fo the rest of the season and beyond.
Exactly. Playing for Argentina is the reason Martinez joined us.
Post by: olaftab on August 31, 2021, 01:12:32 PM
Post by: Ian. on August 31, 2021, 01:18:17 PM
Maybe it was better top let them go, even if it does cost us a couple of points, and have two happier players fo the rest of the season and beyond.
Exactly. Playing for Argentina is the reason Martinez joined us.
Absolutely, he went out and said this, how has appreciated being here to give him that opportunity to play at the top level.
Surely having the very best players will always have its drawbacks, ie International call ups.
Post by: JD on September 01, 2021, 01:56:46 AM
I will have no respect for any of our players who turn down a chance to represent their country for the sake of money. It’s what you are born for so do it.
Well said, totally agree. If we sign top internationals, especially ones who are just starting out on their international careers, we should be supporting them when they want to represent their country.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2021, 03:05:23 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2021, 04:03:58 AM
They will miss the Bolivia game in Argentina which should be quite the celebration if they have fans in the stadium.
Not according to the Argentine FA.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2021, 04:15:10 AM
They will miss the Bolivia game in Argentina which should be quite the celebration if they have fans in the stadium.
Not according to the Argentine FA.
Yeh I wasn’t sure what the COVID status was down there.
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2021, 09:35:53 AM
They will miss the Bolivia game in Argentina which should be quite the celebration if they have fans in the stadium.
Not according to the Argentine FA.
Yeh I wasn’t sure what the COVID status was down there.
Nothing to do with Covid really. The club have said that the players will only play two matches for Argentina. Argentina have said that they have to play all three, and have cited the Court for Arbitration in Sport’s decision against PSG, so I think they’ll be missing for a while yet.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2021, 09:41:50 AM
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2021, 11:26:51 AM
Post by: charleeco7 on September 01, 2021, 09:32:44 PM
Argentina coach Lionel Scaloni on the statement from Aston Villa: "We gave the list for the three matches and there's no doubt about it. The players are here for the three matches."
Post by: Flin5tone on September 01, 2021, 10:46:27 PM
Post by: Monty on September 01, 2021, 10:49:44 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 01, 2021, 10:52:46 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 01, 2021, 10:55:07 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on September 01, 2021, 10:57:39 PM
So we're paying players big wages to be missing for large chunks of the Season without bringing in a no.2 Goalkeeper this is absolutely infuriating
I shouldn't let it worry you, it won't effect your 3-4 games a season
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2021, 11:24:27 PM
One. Just one positive post please Fred?
It would probably be about a player contracting Covid.
Post by: ozzjim on September 02, 2021, 12:05:21 AM
Well this’ll be a kick in the nuts:
Argentina coach Lionel Scaloni on the statement from Aston Villa: "We gave the list for the three matches and there's no doubt about it. The players are here for the three matches."
Takes the piss really.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 02, 2021, 02:26:30 AM
So we're paying players big wages to be missing for large chunks of the Season without bringing in a no.2 Goalkeeper this is absolutely infuriating
How about we just buy players from league 2 or the conference and get relegated every season. Then you'll never have to worry about our players missing large chunks of the season for being top level internationals because they will be shit. And instead they can work part time packing fish down the market or delivering mail while turning out for the Villa.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on September 02, 2021, 04:26:36 AM
Post by: ozzjim on September 02, 2021, 07:16:28 AM
Whereas I was (and still am) OK with the compromise I thought agreed between club and players, I'll admit I may think less of our players if they renege on that agreement.
I agree. Especially if Buendia is sitting on his arse for 2 games and then stays for the 3rd.
Post by: Risso on September 02, 2021, 07:36:01 AM
Whereas I was (and still am) OK with the compromise I thought agreed between club and players, I'll admit I may think less of our players if they renege on that agreement.
Perhaps the club should have checked with the Argentina FA first before making a statement? They look very silly now.
Post by: Demitri_C on September 02, 2021, 07:54:23 AM
If we dint have them for 3 games then thats on smith and purslow for letting them go.
If Argentina go back against a agreement i doubt we will let them go again so that fool needs to tread carefully. We pay their wages not them.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on September 02, 2021, 08:52:19 AM
Whereas I was (and still am) OK with the compromise I thought agreed between club and players, I'll admit I may think less of our players if they renege on that agreement.
Perhaps the club should have checked with the Argentina FA first before making a statement? They look very silly now.
That too.
Post by: ozzjim on September 02, 2021, 08:55:36 AM
Whereas I was (and still am) OK with the compromise I thought agreed between club and players, I'll admit I may think less of our players if they renege on that agreement.
Perhaps the club should have checked with the Argentina FA first before making a statement? They look very silly now.
I would hope that they did!
Post by: Drummond on September 02, 2021, 09:42:47 AM
It's annoying, and I put club above country but for players, representing your country is so important. Its what most dream of, rather than playing a league game. (the chumps league does cloud that a bit more these days)
The conflicting messages aren't good though.
Post by: aj2k77 on September 02, 2021, 09:47:52 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on September 02, 2021, 09:56:23 AM
I mean if thats the agreement made then the argentinian fa need to stand by it. Its not like they playing brazil. Its bloody Bolivia. Argentina will wipe the floor with them
Post by: LukeJames on September 02, 2021, 10:04:01 AM
What happens then if we miss two players for Everton game lose that game then come end of season we miss europe by one point? It could cause massive implications.
The twitter universe would break due to the amount of bellends self combusting with Sheffield United and Goal line technology references.
Post by: richtheholtender on September 02, 2021, 10:06:27 AM
What happens then if we miss two players for Everton game lose that game then come end of season we miss europe by one point? It could cause massive implications.
I mean if thats the agreement made then the argentinian fa need to stand by it. Its not like they playing brazil. Its bloody Bolivia. Argentina will wipe the floor with them
Well miss out on Europe then the same players who missed the game will most likely want to leave for a club in Europe.... similar to rat boy. Funny old world isn't it
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 02, 2021, 10:11:25 AM
Post by: Risso on September 02, 2021, 10:49:07 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on September 02, 2021, 10:51:54 AM
Post by: KNVillan on September 02, 2021, 10:57:10 AM
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12397060/premier-league-clubs-could-face-possible-fifa-sanctions-after-blocking-players-from-call-ups-to-red-list-countires
We all know how that will work out, don’t we?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 02, 2021, 11:11:55 AM
Does anybody think that they’d have gone if they were at a top four club with expectations of challenging for the title?
Yes.
Maybe Buendia would have stayed if he was the only Argentine at B6 but Martinez strikes me as someone who's both very proud to represent his country (rightly so) and not inclined to take No for an answer.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 02, 2021, 11:15:53 AM
Post by: Risso on September 02, 2021, 11:19:34 AM
The fact that they're due to play Brazil can't be underestimated, nor can the fact that there are FIFA regs that suggest the PL's ban isn't legitimate.
The punishment for breaking the rules is a lot less severe than them actually playing. 5 day ban after the international window ends rather than 10 days in isolation. Not that I think that any punishment will be handed out to Liverpool etc.
Post by: LukeJames on September 02, 2021, 11:20:44 AM
Apparently FIFA are being pushed to penalise clubs who don’t release players
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12397060/premier-league-clubs-could-face-possible-fifa-sanctions-after-blocking-players-from-call-ups-to-red-list-countires
We all know how that will work out, don’t we?
The best thing about that article is Chile having a player called Ben Brereton.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 02, 2021, 11:21:57 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 02, 2021, 11:29:59 AM
The best thing about that article is Chile having a player called Ben Brereton.
It's a bit like England having a player called Declan, just seems weird.
Brereton's story was featured on Football Focus a couple of weeks ago and IIRC his mother is Chilean. Apparently he's a bit of a celeb now in Chile endorsing the likes of Pepsi etc. despite not speaking Spanish. Also I think Tony Mowbray's become famous there as they find his interviews amusing.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 02, 2021, 11:51:56 AM
How about people are allowed to have a view on it when backed by the PL other clubs havent released players? How about people be allowed to comment on the fact that we seem to have tried to do the right thing with a compromise and appear to have been shat on?So we're paying players big wages to be missing for large chunks of the Season without bringing in a no.2 Goalkeeper this is absolutely infuriating
How about we just buy players from league 2 or the conference and get relegated every season. Then you'll never have to worry about our players missing large chunks of the season for being top level internationals because they will be shit. And instead they can work part time packing fish down the market or delivering mail while turning out for the Villa.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 02, 2021, 11:58:02 AM
Post by: Monty on September 02, 2021, 12:02:01 PM
How about people are also allowed to have a view on other people's negative views? How about people being allowed to comment that the world keeps turning and we might not get relegated?
I am OUTRAGED that your freedom of speech insufficiently respects my freedom of speech.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 02, 2021, 12:03:15 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 02, 2021, 12:19:10 PM
How about people are also allowed to have a view on other people's negative views? How about people being allowed to comment that the world keeps turning and we might not get relegated?I didn't think Toronto's comment was reasonable. I don't agree with Flin at all, but it was a pretty ridiculous reaction to what is arguably a valid point. Other clubs who haven't released players won't be buying players form the conference league or part time fish packers.
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 02, 2021, 12:22:24 PM
Hopefully he won't get injured, guess we could get special permission from prem to sign someone out of favour at another club, is Sergio Romero still at Man. United or did he finally get released?
Post by: Monty on September 02, 2021, 12:31:28 PM
Bluenose!
And so ends a long and proud record. I shall be issuing a statement soon and hope the media will respect the privacy of my family at this time.
Post by: Smithy on September 02, 2021, 12:47:21 PM
We seem pretty clear we had agreed for them to play two games but be released before Bolivia, but I wonder if the club believes that agreement was with the Argentine FA, or the players themselves? If the club and country don't agree, then I can't see any situation other than the players staying with Argentina.
It is interesting that FIFA's punishment for clubs refusing to release players, even if they successfully get to apply it, is far less than the 10 days quarantine for the players that travel. It reeks of clubs thinking, "Sod it, we'll do what we like and take the punishment as it's better than letting them go".
I like that we appear to have done the honourable thing by our players, one hoping for his first cap, the other having just established himself in their side, but it does make us look like mugs if they stay for the full 3 games having announced a "deal" to get them back early.
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 02, 2021, 12:50:51 PM
No chance we'll be releasing either for the October or November matches now unless quarantine rules are scrapped but that seems unlikely given it will be near winter then.
If they're unhappy about it so be it although guess Martinez won't be signing a new contract in a hurry and with two years left next summer that will start to become a bit of a headache for us.
Post by: Risso on September 02, 2021, 02:52:35 PM
Well we put it out on the club statement on Saturday evening so very disappointing if Argentina have gone back on their word.
No chance we'll be releasing either for the October or November matches now unless quarantine rules are scrapped but that seems unlikely given it will be near winter then.
If they're unhappy about it so be it although guess Martinez won't be signing a new contract in a hurry and with two years left next summer that will start to become a bit of a headache for us.
It doesn’t look like that there’s been any discussion between the club and Argentina at all, otherwise we wouldn’t be in this position. Also, how do we “not release” them later in the year, given we’ve already asked them not to go this time but they have anyway?
Post by: Drummond on September 02, 2021, 02:56:38 PM
It's shit but I also notice various other FAs are now suggesting imposing bans on players that don't go.
Post by: Risso on September 02, 2021, 03:02:18 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 02, 2021, 03:03:17 PM
Post by: Smithy on September 02, 2021, 03:04:20 PM
Those bans are for 5 days after the game they missed. Our players will have nearly two weeks of isolation.
It would be hilarious if they tweaked that rule this week to make it a fortnight.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 02, 2021, 03:04:20 PM
Well we put it out on the club statement on Saturday evening so very disappointing if Argentina have gone back on their word.
No chance we'll be releasing either for the October or November matches now unless quarantine rules are scrapped but that seems unlikely given it will be near winter then.
If they're unhappy about it so be it although guess Martinez won't be signing a new contract in a hurry and with two years left next summer that will start to become a bit of a headache for us.
It doesn’t look like that there’s been any discussion between the club and Argentina at all, otherwise we wouldn’t be in this position. Also, how do we “not release” them later in the year, given we’ve already asked them not to go this time but they have anyway?
That's the nub of it. Clubs have to 'release' players if they're fit and willing to go. The PL (as the PL would) seems to have gone rogue in its decision to try to prevent players from going, albeit in difficult circumstances.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 02, 2021, 03:07:22 PM
It’s especially annoying with Buendia because he’s unlikely to play much is he?
Presumably he has a better chance of playing if other players, eg Messi, haven't turned up.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 02, 2021, 03:08:02 PM
Edit: it's worth remembering that 'red' countries are only 'red' because that's what the UK classifies them as. Other countries have different rules and taxonomies, so Messi was always going to be there.
Post by: Smithy on September 02, 2021, 03:09:44 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 02, 2021, 03:11:04 PM
Has Nakamba gone too? Zimbabwe is on the red list, so he'd also had to quarantine after the International break.
No, he's decided to give it a miss.
Another edit: Zimbabwe realistically won't qualify for the WC. Argentina realistically could win it.
Post by: Smithy on September 02, 2021, 03:14:53 PM
Has Nakamba gone too? Zimbabwe is on the red list, so he'd also had to quarantine after the International break.
No, he's decided to give it a miss.
Another edit: Zimbabwe realistically won't qualify for the WC. Argentina realistically could win it.
Has HE decided to give it a miss, or has he been told by us he can't go? I'm wondering if we've given him the exact same option the Emis had, and he made a different decision - or if we put our foot down with him.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 02, 2021, 03:21:54 PM
Marvelous Nakamba staying at Bodymoor Heath at Villa's request. Zimbabwe (red list country) have World Cup qualifiers vs South Africa (Sept 3) & Ethiopia (Sept 7) but Nakamba has agreed to stay in UK to put himself in contention vs Chelsea on September 11. Flag of Zimbabwe #AVFC
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 02, 2021, 08:10:58 PM
Has Nakamba gone too? Zimbabwe is on the red list, so he'd also had to quarantine after the International break.
No, he's decided to give it a miss.
Another edit: Zimbabwe realistically won't qualify for the WC.
Plus work hasn't started on his castle yet so there's nothing for him to inspect. https://allafrica.com/stories/202107050574.html
Post by: WarszaVillan on September 02, 2021, 08:29:45 PM
Has Nakamba gone too? Zimbabwe is on the red list, so he'd also had to quarantine after the International break.
No, he's decided to give it a miss.
Another edit: Zimbabwe realistically won't qualify for the WC.
Plus work hasn't started on his castle yet so there's nothing for him to inspect. https://allafrica.com/stories/202107050574.html
'midfield maestro'
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 02, 2021, 08:35:41 PM
Has Nakamba gone too? Zimbabwe is on the red list, so he'd also had to quarantine after the International break.
No, he's decided to give it a miss.
Another edit: Zimbabwe realistically won't qualify for the WC.
Plus work hasn't started on his castle yet so there's nothing for him to inspect. https://allafrica.com/stories/202107050574.html
Castle? It's a 3 bedroom detached house with a garden.
2 Willsgrove Road, Manningdale, Bulawayo (Thanks to Eastie)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 02, 2021, 08:57:52 PM
Has Nakamba gone too? Zimbabwe is on the red list, so he'd also had to quarantine after the International break.
No, he's decided to give it a miss.
Another edit: Zimbabwe realistically won't qualify for the WC.
Plus work hasn't started on his castle yet so there's nothing for him to inspect. https://allafrica.com/stories/202107050574.html
Castle? It's a 3 bedroom detached house with a garden.
2 Willsgrove Road, Manningdale, Bulawayo (Thanks to Eastie)
As they have oft said, a Zimbabwean's home is his castle.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 02, 2021, 10:32:31 PM
Did you know he and Emi Buendia will go off to Croatia for a while before coming back ?!
As part of the quarantine.
I believe the decision is still to go to Hvar.
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 03, 2021, 12:51:22 AM
It’s especially annoying with Buendia because he’s unlikely to play much is he?
Presumably he has a better chance of playing if other players, eg Messi, haven't turned up.
Buendia not even on the bench tonight....(they have 12 subs aswell).
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 03, 2021, 09:32:10 AM
Post by: Risso on September 03, 2021, 09:37:42 AM
Ffs.
At least he's not getting injured I suppose.
Post by: WarszaVillan on September 03, 2021, 11:47:34 AM
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 03, 2021, 11:49:47 AM
What will the situation be on their return. If they have to spend two weeks in a hotel then I'd have thought that this would seriously set back their fitness?I think they will spend the 10 days on Hvar, a Croatian island (on the green list), before coming back here
Post by: WarszaVillan on September 03, 2021, 12:02:30 PM
What will the situation be on their return. If they have to spend two weeks in a hotel then I'd have thought that this would seriously set back their fitness?I think they will spend the 10 days on Hvar, a Croatian island (on the green list), before coming back here
Ok, which I assume means they are doing this to avoid being in a hotel room and could train when they are there.
Post by: LukeJames on September 03, 2021, 12:04:20 PM
Post by: Edvard Remberg on September 03, 2021, 12:09:12 PM
Yes - just look at the tackle on Messi - very lucky to walk of the pitch.Ffs.
At least he's not getting injured I suppose.
Post by: WarszaVillan on September 03, 2021, 12:20:10 PM
Lets just play our home games in HVAR.
Only when we're playing Sheffield United.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 07, 2021, 01:34:50 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on September 07, 2021, 05:56:44 AM
According to BBC gossip (via La Razon) Atletico Madrid might make a move for Emi next summer if Jan Oblak leaves. Let's hope that stopover in Madrid isn't too long.
Martinez is one of the best keepers in the league. He is easily going around the 50m mark
Post by: aev on September 07, 2021, 05:59:54 AM
According to BBC gossip (via La Razon) Atletico Madrid might make a move for Emi next summer if Jan Oblak leaves. Let's hope that stopover in Madrid isn't too long.
Martinez is one of the best keepers in the league. He is easily going around the 50m mark
If he went for 50m I’d be mightily passed off.
Ramsdale went for 30m and he is chod.
Post by: AV82EC on September 07, 2021, 07:58:47 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on September 07, 2021, 08:15:04 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on September 07, 2021, 08:33:24 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 07, 2021, 08:34:00 AM
Post by: dave shelley on September 07, 2021, 08:50:48 AM
Renegotiate his deal ASAP.
Yes, but we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. If he doesn't have the dreaded release clause in his current one you can almost certainly guarantee that he will have; in any renegotiated new one.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 07, 2021, 04:27:06 PM
Post by: Risso on September 17, 2021, 01:19:00 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 17, 2021, 01:39:10 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 17, 2021, 01:50:55 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 25, 2021, 06:57:58 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 25, 2021, 07:02:06 PM
My favourite ever? Yes, yes he is.
Post by: paul_e on September 25, 2021, 07:06:11 PM
https://twitter.com/FootyRustling/status/1441766976611708932
Post by: BC Villain on September 25, 2021, 07:27:42 PM
Post by: darren woolley on September 25, 2021, 07:31:08 PM
Post by: Steve67 on September 25, 2021, 07:31:29 PM
Post by: Risso on September 25, 2021, 07:33:44 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 25, 2021, 07:42:28 PM
Post by: martin o`who?? on September 25, 2021, 07:45:46 PM
Our best ever? Dunno.Love him to bits but Jimmy uber alles.
My favourite ever? Yes, yes he is.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 25, 2021, 07:47:20 PM
Post by: LeeB on September 25, 2021, 07:50:36 PM
He's the best keeper in the world.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on September 25, 2021, 08:03:29 PM
Now he’s here, I love the shithousing. What have we done to him????
But he’s superb. Arguably best keeper in the world.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 25, 2021, 08:09:42 PM
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 25, 2021, 10:03:13 PM
Looking at the melee, do I see a grin come to Luiz' face as Martinez is giving it to Ronaldo, despite the situation we were facing? Anybody know how his Portuguese is?
Cavani (not Portuguese) certainly seems to find it funny at the end from twitter feeds.
Post by: martin o`who?? on September 25, 2021, 10:14:23 PM
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Post by: richtheholtender on September 25, 2021, 11:04:35 PM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on September 26, 2021, 04:32:57 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/pv72ld/emi_martinez_asking_cristiano_to_take_the_pk/
Post by: Moonraker on September 26, 2021, 09:12:13 AM
Post by: Clampy on September 26, 2021, 09:16:43 AM
Love the guy, as £20 million bargains go , it's up there with Paul McGrath as the best bit of business the club have done since we signed Dennis Mortimer.
It was less than that wasn't it? £17m I think but I stand correct. He's been an incredible signing. Whoever thought of him deserves a pay rise.
Post by: wittonwarrior on September 26, 2021, 09:22:25 AM
Post by: dave shelley on September 26, 2021, 09:24:05 AM
* In the nicest possible way, not Joey Barton type of nutter.
Post by: Risso on September 26, 2021, 09:39:43 AM
Emi knew exactly what he was going to do in the shithousery stakes from the moment the penalty was awarded. He couldnt have out-psyched Fernandes any more if he had water-boarded him for 5 hours before he took the kick. And his faceoff with the Man United lot behind the goal was brilliant, but again see how calm Tyrone was in going over straight away and stopping him. Fabulous captaincy.
Pointing to Ronaldo and telling him to take it. I bloody love him.*
*Until he fucks off for a month on World Cup duty, obvs ;)
Post by: Somniloquism on September 26, 2021, 12:09:40 PM
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Post by: clash city rocker on September 26, 2021, 04:27:25 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 26, 2021, 04:34:10 PM
If carlsberg did goalkeepers.If Carlsberg did a decent drink first it would be a better idea :D
Post by: nigel on September 26, 2021, 04:36:49 PM
Emi knew exactly what he was going to do in the shithousery stakes from the moment the penalty was awarded. He couldnt have out-psyched Fernandes any more if he had water-boarded him for 5 hours before he took the kick. And his faceoff with the Man United lot behind the goal was brilliant, but again see how calm Tyrone was in going over straight away and stopping him. Fabulous captaincy.
I’d love to know what Tyrone said, as Emi had a big smile on his face.
I’d also love to know what Kortney said to Fernandez after the penalty 😂
Post by: clash city rocker on September 26, 2021, 05:17:04 PM
Emi knew exactly what he was going to do in the shithousery stakes from the moment the penalty was awarded. He couldnt have out-psyched Fernandes any more if he had water-boarded him for 5 hours before he took the kick. And his faceoff with the Man United lot behind the goal was brilliant, but again see how calm Tyrone was in going over straight away and stopping him. Fabulous captaincy.
I’d love to know what Tyrone said, as Emi had a big smile on his face.
I’d also love to know what Kortney said to Fernandez after the penalty 😂
Kourtney said....fuck me call that a penalty...more like 3 points to wigan. You are in the wrong game my son.
Post by: DrGonzo on September 26, 2021, 05:29:22 PM
Post by: clash city rocker on September 26, 2021, 05:35:01 PM
Best Villa keeper since....?
Jimmy,jimmy,jimmy.
One jimmy Rimmer...theres only one Jimmy Rimmer...
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 26, 2021, 05:35:28 PM
Post by: clash city rocker on September 26, 2021, 05:40:39 PM
Best Villa keeper since....?And who did we buy jimmy off ? Yes you've guessed it. Give it five years buy the arse reserve keeper and we have cracked that position
Jimmy,jimmy,jimmy.
One jimmy Rimmer...theres only one Jimmy Rimmer...
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 26, 2021, 05:40:48 PM
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Post by: nigel on September 26, 2021, 05:59:42 PM
Bosnich was good, but certainly not in the same bracket as those 3.
Like John Burridge he was an extrovert who got the crowd on his side.
Both made some wonderful saves, though.
Post by: Ian. on September 26, 2021, 06:06:36 PM
Bosnich was outstanding for us and it was an exciting period so have very fond memories of that time.
Post by: dave shelley on September 26, 2021, 06:20:03 PM
Post by: Ads on September 26, 2021, 06:20:47 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 26, 2021, 06:22:37 PM
Bosnich at Roker Park is the best goal keeping performance ever in a Villa shirt.that in the cup game we won 4-1?
Post by: Ads on September 26, 2021, 07:26:31 PM
Post by: WarszaVillan on September 26, 2021, 08:00:37 PM
Rimmer, Spink and Emi are the 3 best I’ve seen in a Villa shirt, from 1970.
Bosnich was good, but certainly not in the same bracket as those 3.
Like John Burridge he was an extrovert who got the crowd on his side.
Both made some wonderful saves, though.
Bosnich was better than Spink iny opinion. Spink was poor at comanding his area.
Martinez is ace though:
https://twitter.com/PunjabiVillans/status/1441897439208763395?s=20
Post by: Mister E on September 26, 2021, 08:11:16 PM
Rimmer, Spink and Emi are the 3 best I’ve seen in a Villa shirt, from 1970.Yup - I'll go with that assertion.
Bosnich was good, but certainly not in the same bracket as those 3.
Like John Burridge he was an extrovert who got the crowd on his side.
Both made some wonderful saves, though.
Post by: frank black on September 26, 2021, 08:53:41 PM
Rimmer, Spink and Emi are the 3 best I’ve seen in a Villa shirt, from 1970.Yup - I'll go with that assertion.
Bosnich was good, but certainly not in the same bracket as those 3.
Like John Burridge he was an extrovert who got the crowd on his side.
Both made some wonderful saves, though.
Whilst I loved Spink, I’d say Bosnich was a better keeper.
Post by: clash city rocker on September 26, 2021, 09:01:30 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on September 26, 2021, 09:46:41 PM
Post by: martin o`who?? on September 26, 2021, 10:10:00 PM
No wonder the Gooners are still fuming over his sale.
Post by: Ads on September 26, 2021, 10:14:25 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 26, 2021, 10:40:56 PM
Spink was the best of them as an outfield player. Recall Hendrie being sent off at QPR and Spink coming on to go up top.Which was Spink's last Villa appearance.
Post by: TopDeck113 on September 26, 2021, 11:16:00 PM
Best commander of his area? Rimmer.
Spink was a better shot stopper than Rimmer, but didn't have Rimmer's presence.
For all that, the one element of goalkeeping that has left the greatest lasting impression on me was the height and length of Jimmy Cumbes' drop kicks when I first went to Villa Park. To that point I'd never seen a ball kicked that high and that far!
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 26, 2021, 11:24:29 PM
Post by: thick_mike on September 26, 2021, 11:29:10 PM
Rimmer was a God for me after years of watching Jim Cumbes.
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 26, 2021, 11:35:49 PM
Premier league era Brad Friedel has to be up there
He was solid but I never thought he had the type of match winning game he had for Blackburn and many other keepers for us have had. And his penalty saving deserted him as soon as he joined us.
I love Bozzy like most for nostaglia but interesting when you watch highlights of the 90s seasons the amount of errors he actually made in the games. But he had the confidence to come through the box two minutes later after an error and claim a cross like nothing had happened which is the aura you need to have as a top keeper. Martinez has it aswell.
I'd actually say one of best individual keeper performances was David James in 99/00. He was really good in so many that season for us, shame it gets tainted by the last goal we conceded that season.....
Just think two years ago we were watching Nyland. He tried his best but that's classic example of back 4 being a nervous wreck if they think the keeper is likely to chuck one in at any moment.
Post by: DrGonzo on September 27, 2021, 09:47:44 AM
Post by: passport1 on September 27, 2021, 10:14:42 AM
Post by: brontebilly on September 27, 2021, 10:15:55 AM
Re: nervous back 4...Enckleman, also Steer vs Chelsea.
Unfair to put Steer in that category
Nyland, Kalinic, Gollini, Reina, Bunn!, Guzan by the end...all horror shows that spread panic. Bunn was the worst I've seen at Villa
Post by: DrGonzo on September 27, 2021, 10:24:21 AM
Post by: JJ-AV on September 27, 2021, 10:25:42 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 27, 2021, 10:29:20 AM
We need to get him signed up ASAP. He He's only got 2.5 years left. If we get to next Summer then I worry Chelsea/Bayern might take a look.
That should be priority 1.
Post by: ozzjim on September 27, 2021, 11:00:40 AM
I agree with the shouts for James. Remember him taking one in the face at Everton (might have been the day Merse scored THAT goal), but he was the most natural keeper I've seen. Could do the spectacular, the feet, the distribution. Just a shame the cup final goal always follows him, especially as its so unlucky to hit of some twats back and fall to Chelsea.
Bosnich was brilliant at shot stopping.
Friedel I already thought was 7/10 without ever being 9.
Post by: cdward on September 27, 2021, 11:20:58 AM
Love it Emi, keep it up
Post by: algy on September 27, 2021, 11:42:44 AM
Best shot stopper? Bosnich. But his kicking was atrocious at a time when it became increasingly important.Emi's the best keeper I've seen play for Villa. Favourite was Nigel Spink -- didn't see Rimmer play, and whilst I was fond of Bozzie, his kicking was woefully bad. Liked James & Friedel. Not too bothered about any of the others.
Best commander of his area? Rimmer.
Spink was a better shot stopper than Rimmer, but didn't have Rimmer's presence.
For all that, the one element of goalkeeping that has left the greatest lasting impression on me was the height and length of Jimmy Cumbes' drop kicks when I first went to Villa Park. To that point I'd never seen a ball kicked that high and that far!
Post by: dave shelley on September 27, 2021, 12:58:58 PM
Best shot stopper? Bosnich. But his kicking was atrocious at a time when it became increasingly important.Emi's the best keeper I've seen play for Villa. Favourite was Nigel Spink -- didn't see Rimmer play, and whilst I was fond of Bozzie, his kicking was woefully bad. Liked James & Friedel. Not too bothered about any of the others.
Best commander of his area? Rimmer.
Spink was a better shot stopper than Rimmer, but didn't have Rimmer's presence.
For all that, the one element of goalkeeping that has left the greatest lasting impression on me was the height and length of Jimmy Cumbes' drop kicks when I first went to Villa Park. To that point I'd never seen a ball kicked that high and that far!
You would have been had you been old enough to see Tommy Hughes. Thankfully he only made sixteen appearances when we were in the third division.
Post by: BC Villain on September 27, 2021, 01:00:38 PM
Re: nervous back 4...Enckleman, also Steer vs Chelsea.
Unfair to put Steer in that category
Nyland, Kalinic, Gollini, Reina, Bunn!, Guzan by the end...all horror shows that spread panic. Bunn was the worst I've seen at Villa
Let's not forget Kiraly with his long johns
Post by: RichardBatchelor on September 27, 2021, 01:02:28 PM
Re: nervous back 4...Enckleman, also Steer vs Chelsea.
Unfair to put Steer in that category
Nyland, Kalinic, Gollini, Reina, Bunn!, Guzan by the end...all horror shows that spread panic. Bunn was the worst I've seen at Villa
He was the worst - all those others, especially Reina with his presence and personality, had positive points and had good games. Bunn was just awful. I remember a goal at Stoke where Lescott didn't bother challenging Arnautovic and as the latter headed home home, Bunn was already tangled up in the back of the net having dived prematurely. Comedy gold.
Post by: john2710 on September 27, 2021, 01:48:41 PM
Martinez has a way to go to match him.
Best keeper I’ve ever seen was as Shilton, which grieves me to say because he’s a prize twat.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 27, 2021, 01:50:09 PM
1 Bozzie
2 Martinez
3 Spink
4 James
5 Freidel
6 Heaton
Can’t think of any others I’d class as very good really. If Heaton had been in goal for us for several seasons playing in the way he started he would have jumped ahead of James and Freidel. I think Bozzie and Martinez were/are world class goalkeepers, if Martinez plays as well as he did last season for another 2-3 years I’d rate him above Bozzie.
Post by: LukeJames on September 27, 2021, 02:07:52 PM
Post by: Risso on September 27, 2021, 02:08:46 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 27, 2021, 02:25:48 PM
As for the worst, i think it's probably got to be poor old Enkels but i think the Croatian bloke we currently have on the books must be close especially considering he wasn't particularly cheap either. Edit: And especially as i can't even remember his name. :-)
Post by: UK Redsox on September 27, 2021, 02:37:51 PM
Guzan for about 18 months was excellent and made the best save I have ever seen live against QPR. Then he just seemed to forgot that he was a GK after that.
....and he never did learn how to kick a ball
Post by: Ger Regan on September 27, 2021, 03:08:26 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 27, 2021, 03:40:01 PM
Rimmer is, without question the best keeper we’ve had in my time following the club. Probably the best we’ve ever had.
Sorry John but that’s ridiculous. Sam Hardy was widely regarded as the best keeper ever when he was playing. They’ve all got a way to go to match that.
Post by: frank black on September 27, 2021, 03:49:23 PM
Nobody mentioning David James? He was great at commanding his area and not bad with his feet (as far as I remember).
Rimmer was a God for me after years of watching Jim Cumbes.
David James’s ability to both keep us in a match, then chuck us out of the match will always mean he won’t be rated as one of our best keepers.
Post by: Risso on September 27, 2021, 03:55:05 PM
Rimmer is, without question the best keeper we’ve had in my time following the club. Probably the best we’ve ever had.
Sorry John but that’s ridiculous. Sam Hardy was widely regarded as the best keeper ever when he was playing. They’ve all got a way to go to match that.
Bit hard to judge when not even brian green or Rudy Can't Fail are old enough to have seen him play! ;)
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on September 27, 2021, 04:05:37 PM
Nobody mentioning David James? He was great at commanding his area and not bad with his feet (as far as I remember).
Rimmer was a God for me after years of watching Jim Cumbes.
David James’s ability to both keep us in a match, then chuck us out of the match will always mean he won’t be rated as one of our best keepers.
Oh yes. Heart in mouth stuff all the time.
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 27, 2021, 04:13:23 PM
Premier league era Brad Friedel has to be up thereI didn't mind Friedel - he made the standard saves look good - but so much went past him without him even diving.
Bosnich and Emi are the best we've had since 92.
Didn't mind James either.
Post by: KRS on September 27, 2021, 04:42:05 PM
On a side note, another reason to despise Sky and their rewriting of football history…on their analysis of the penalty award and miss, Bosnich is interviewed with the caption “Manchester United 1989-1991 and 1999-2001”. These are Bosnich’ career and appearance stats for Man Utd and Villa:
Man Utd:
1989-1991 (3)
1999-2001 (23)
Villa
1992-1999 (179)
Why is it that his 26 appearances for Man Utd over a 4 year period are recognised more than his 179 appearances for Villa in 7 years?!
Post by: sonyhill on September 27, 2021, 05:17:38 PM
Absolute geezer!
Post by: Ad@m on September 27, 2021, 08:01:53 PM
My love for Emi went up a notch with that pre-penalty sledging and post penalty shimmy to the Utd fans behind the goal!
Absolute geezer!
This.
We've been saying for years how we needed a horrible bastard on the pitch and now we've got one. And even better, he seems like an absolute diamond off it!
Post by: Mellin on September 27, 2021, 08:16:19 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 27, 2021, 08:25:23 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 27, 2021, 08:26:59 PM
Sorensen often gets forgotten about and was reliable. Not of the Martinez and Bosnich standard, but if we're talking about James, Heaton and Guzan, we should definitely be talking Tommy.
Sorensen was decent first season but did let in some cheap goals at times particularly on the near post. Probably would've looked better if we could've had Mellberg and Laursen as the regular CB combo instead of Ridgewell for long spells.
Two SHA games just marked his card although surprisingly we didn't replace him for another two seasons. Always thought he went as soon as MON came in but he played the first season and then O'Neill in his wisdom decided Carson was a better option.
Tommy Sorensen was probably more consistant playing for Stoke than he was for us, did a good job for them for a couple of seasons.
Post by: OCD on September 27, 2021, 08:42:06 PM
Post by: Ad@m on September 27, 2021, 09:21:51 PM
Post by: Risso on September 27, 2021, 10:29:51 PM
I never realised just how salty Man U are. First their manager whining about imagined unfairness and now their fans getting their knickers in a twist over a bit of gentle sledging!
I've said it a few times, but a mark of progress is when we get teams like Man U moaning about us after they've lost, rather than giving us condescending platitudes after they inflict yet another heroic defeat.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 27, 2021, 10:34:31 PM
Overheard a Man United fan say Emi should have been sent off for ungentlemanly conduct.
ha ha brilliant
Post by: Villafirst on September 28, 2021, 04:54:55 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 28, 2021, 08:13:43 AM
Post by: Mister E on September 28, 2021, 08:19:56 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 28, 2021, 08:52:27 AM
Rimmer is, without question the best keeper we’ve had in my time following the club. Probably the best we’ve ever had.
Sorry John but that’s ridiculous. Sam Hardy was widely regarded as the best keeper ever when he was playing. They’ve all got a way to go to match that.
Bit hard to judge when not even brian green or Rudy Can't Fail are old enough to have seen him play! ;)
Oh contraire! Rudy remembers Safe and Steady Sam’s debut for Chesterfield.
Post by: Villafirst on September 28, 2021, 10:05:53 AM
And Arsenal. He only just made the Everton game last time but Arsenal has been brought forward to the Friday for telly.
Yes, possibly more unwanted disruption - as if we haven't had enough already! Is there any directive yet from the PL? Not that the players took any notice last time. Do Villa say to Martinez you can't go this time?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 28, 2021, 10:10:39 AM
Post by: Smithy on September 28, 2021, 10:14:12 AM
Martinez picked for the upcoming WC qualifiers by Argentina. Will Villa allow him to go after the recent fiasco? Argentina is on the UK's red list. If he goes and has to isolate for 10 days he'll miss the Wolves game.....
I think the FA's concerned, and the governments, are trying to sort out an answer on this right now. I don't think we'll see the same situation as last time.
Post by: brontebilly on September 28, 2021, 10:30:02 AM
Re: nervous back 4...Enckleman, also Steer vs Chelsea.
Unfair to put Steer in that category
Nyland, Kalinic, Gollini, Reina, Bunn!, Guzan by the end...all horror shows that spread panic. Bunn was the worst I've seen at Villa
He was the worst - all those others, especially Reina with his presence and personality, had positive points and had good games. Bunn was just awful. I remember a goal at Stoke where Lescott didn't bother challenging Arnautovic and as the latter headed home home, Bunn was already tangled up in the back of the net having dived prematurely. Comedy gold.
He played in that cabbage game too....Bruce finally lost patience with Nyland and played Bunn. Just hopeless.
Surprised to see Heaton getting a mention as a top keeper. Thought he was no better than average really, stuck to his goal line. Friedel too, reasonable shot stopper but again stuck to his line and overrated for me
Agreed that James was very talented. I was a big fan of Johnstone in his time with us. Poor with ball at his feet but a brilliant shot stopper.
Martinez better than any of them. He has been some signing for us.
Post by: Drummond on September 28, 2021, 11:23:32 AM
Perhaps he only looks so good because of the dross we've had between the sticks for so long, but I rather think he's just a great 'keeper and hopefully he'll be winning medals with us as well as Argentina.
Post by: darren woolley on September 28, 2021, 11:27:43 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 28, 2021, 11:30:10 AM
Post by: OzVilla on September 28, 2021, 11:30:52 AM
He's a brilliant keeper I just hope we don't have big bids coming in for him in the near future.
I think that’s a near certainty unfortunately.
Post by: Pat Mustard on September 28, 2021, 11:55:17 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2021/sep/28/david-squires-on-self-flagellating-footballers-and-the-fuel-crisis
Post by: AV82EC on September 28, 2021, 12:12:48 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 28, 2021, 01:06:56 PM
Would mean he'd just miss the Wolves games.
Post by: Rigadon on September 28, 2021, 01:07:03 PM
He's a brilliant keeper I just hope we don't have big bids coming in for him in the near future.
I think that’s a near certainty unfortunately.
Please, nobody say 'release clause'.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 28, 2021, 01:30:52 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 28, 2021, 01:34:26 PM
You could certainly see Real Madrid and Barcelona showing an interest at some point. Well, if they’ve got the money anyway.
Not sure they have a pot to piss in, never mind the £100m it would take.
Post by: Villafirst on September 28, 2021, 02:34:13 PM
Post by: paul_e on September 28, 2021, 05:23:51 PM
On Martinez I know he's only been here a season but I feel more confident in him than any other keeper I've seen for us, he has the perfect mix of attitude, ability and personality to be a world class goalkeeper and things like saturday are just a reflection of that.
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 28, 2021, 05:30:01 PM
Post by: BC Villain on September 28, 2021, 05:47:49 PM
I never realised just how salty Man U are. First their manager whining about imagined unfairness and now their fans getting their knickers in a twist over a bit of gentle sledging!
Plus the obligatory indignation from the noses who reckon Martinez wouldn't have the bottle to do it at the Sty. Not that their likely to find out.
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 28, 2021, 05:50:17 PM
Maybe fcuk some sense into them!I never realised just how salty Man U are. First their manager whining about imagined unfairness and now their fans getting their knickers in a twist over a bit of gentle sledging!
Plus the obligatory indignation from the noses who reckon Martinez wouldn't have the bottle to do it at the Sty. Not that their likely to find out.
Post by: Risso on September 28, 2021, 05:53:45 PM
I never realised just how salty Man U are. First their manager whining about imagined unfairness and now their fans getting their knickers in a twist over a bit of gentle sledging!
Plus the obligatory indignation from the noses who reckon Martinez wouldn't have the bottle to do it at the Sty. Not that their likely to find out.
Not sure it takes *that* much bravery to do a dance in front of an empty stand anyway.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 28, 2021, 07:01:31 PM
You could certainly see Real Madrid and Barcelona showing an interest at some point. Well, if they’ve got the money anyway.
Atlético Madrid were 'linked' a few weeks back and I'm sure Simeone would appreciate his compatriot's sh!thousery.
Post by: darren woolley on September 29, 2021, 03:39:19 PM
Barcelona is even bigger than that isn't it? Their wage bill is miles above the league imposed wage cap based on their finances so even if they took on debts to buy him they wouldn't be able to register hm without some huge changes in their finances. Real have a similar problem which is probably the biggest reason why mbappe never moved.
On Martinez I know he's only been here a season but I feel more confident in him than any other keeper I've seen for us, he has the perfect mix of attitude, ability and personality to be a world class goalkeeper and things like saturday are just a reflection of that.
I agree.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 30, 2021, 10:25:45 AM
Post by: Moonraker on September 30, 2021, 02:21:46 PM
Post by: Smithy on September 30, 2021, 04:15:11 PM
Cant see Emi going anywhere in the short to medium term. Top 4 have all got pretty good keepers themselves, and cant see him leaving the PL as other leagues are skint. PSG have just bought the 22 year old Donnarumma to stick with the other 100 keepers they have got. Emis going nowhere. (Although I did say that about the manc bloke as well)
Medium-term is probably as far as we can look with any of our better players. If we're not challenging for European places by next season, then there are a few I think who might be tempted to look elsewhere. Right now, we're on an upward trajectory, and while that continues, players will be happy. Getting European football THIS season, however unlikely it seems right now, would be brilliant and that would be the time to lock him down to a longer-term contract.
Post by: algy on September 30, 2021, 07:03:37 PM
Yeah, the sooner we're playing in Europe the better for me. We need as few reasons as possible for our best players to look elsewhere.Cant see Emi going anywhere in the short to medium term. Top 4 have all got pretty good keepers themselves, and cant see him leaving the PL as other leagues are skint. PSG have just bought the 22 year old Donnarumma to stick with the other 100 keepers they have got. Emis going nowhere. (Although I did say that about the manc bloke as well)
Medium-term is probably as far as we can look with any of our better players. If we're not challenging for European places by next season, then there are a few I think who might be tempted to look elsewhere. Right now, we're on an upward trajectory, and while that continues, players will be happy. Getting European football THIS season, however unlikely it seems right now, would be brilliant and that would be the time to lock him down to a longer-term contract.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 30, 2021, 07:07:24 PM
Yeah, the sooner we're playing in Europe the better for me. We need as few reasons as possible for our best players to look elsewhere.
Agreed, we might even take as many as Small Heath did to Bruges.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 30, 2021, 07:33:11 PM
Yeah, the sooner we're playing in Europe the better for me. We need as few reasons as possible for our best players to look elsewhere.
Agreed, we might even take as many as Small Heath did to Bruges.
Don't be silly, we don't have that many fans.
Post by: CT Villan on October 01, 2021, 02:01:37 AM
Post by: Clive W on October 01, 2021, 03:13:35 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/10/01/trash-talk-stalling-tactics-emi-martinez-became-penalty-takers/
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 07, 2021, 11:03:24 PM
Then 2 home matches for Emi
Monday 11th Oct Argentina 00:30 Uruguay
Friday 15th Oct Argentina 00:30 Peru
I mean he may not be ready in time to face Wolves
Post by: purpletrousers on October 08, 2021, 12:28:31 AM
Cracking article in the DT about Emi’s penalty techniqueAny paste of this?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/10/01/trash-talk-stalling-tactics-emi-martinez-became-penalty-takers/
Post by: Meanwood Villa on October 08, 2021, 07:37:29 AM
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Post by: Ad@m on October 08, 2021, 09:44:06 AM
What is going on with him quarantining this time? Haven't heard anything about it.
Paraguay and Argentina are off the red list as of Monday so he won't need to quarantine. Good job the Peru match is at home as they're still on the red list...
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As an aside when Chris Hollins was on 'Celebrity Eggheads' he was asked "In what position did Lev Yashin play?" 3 options as per usual e.g. a) Midfielder b) Defender c) Goalkeeper. He didn't know and guessed incorrectly which I found pretty astounding for a BBC sports presenter especially given his father and uncle both played international football.
Post by: algy on October 08, 2021, 06:54:31 PM
Cracking article in the DT about Emi’s penalty techniqueAny paste of this?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/10/01/trash-talk-stalling-tactics-emi-martinez-became-penalty-takers/
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Trash talk and stalling tactics: How Emi Martinez became a penalty-taker's worst nightmare
Aston Villa's goalkeeper is a master of mind games, with his approach described as 'Machiavellian' by an expert penalty analyst
By Mike McGrath
1 October 2021 • 12:28pm
Emiliano Martinez has been branded the 'Machiavelli' of goalkeepers when it comes to facing penalties - and there is little doubt he would take that as a compliment.
His extreme ploys to distract shooters include trash talk, delaying going back to his line and visual distractions, and the results have been spectacular.
Most recently, it was Bruno Fernandes whose brain was scrambled by Martinez's antics. The Argentine walked up to Bruno before United's injury-time penalty but refused to engage directly with him, instead pointing over his shoulder at Cristiano Ronaldo, telling him that, as United's star player, he should be the one taking spot-kicks. Bruno duly blazed over the crossbar, Martinez danced a jig of delight in front of the Stretford End and Villa won 1-0, maintaining their impressive start to the new season.
But that merely confirmed Martinez as the master of mind games when it comes to facing penalties: in the summer he got under the skin of Colombia players in the Copa America semi-final, helping Argentina win 3-2.
Geir Jordet, professor at the Norwegian School of Sport Sciences, has studied penalties for two decades and has never seen a case like Martinez.
“In the summer I saw Copa America goalkeepers were a bit more active than their colleagues in Europe. Martinez in particular, the way he handled those Colombia players in the semi-finals really got to me,” Jordet told Telegraph Sport. “It was the most extreme I have seen, accentuated by the empty stadium so you could hear the exchange between Martinez and the shooters. The penalty takers started talking to the goalkeeper. Then you know you are onto something. As a goalkeeper, you’ve already won if that happens.
“The translation of what he said came out, so you think ‘wow, this guy’s for real’. Then I saw the spectacle against United and I was mesmerised by this new way of doing it. He took it to the next level. It was such a cunning ploy. I call it Machiavellian. He doesn’t address Fernandes but all he is doing is communicating to him through talking to Ronaldo. It is so clever, yet so brutal and raw.”
Martinez was the penalty shoot-out hero for Argentina in the Copa America semis when he saved three penalties and sledged his opponents to distraction. His exchanges were translated and ranged from the gentle ribbing of "you look nervous, you are laughing but you are nervous”, to the less-subtle “I’m going to eat you”.
Jordet has studied penalties forensically, with his work highlighted by Dan Ashworth when he was at the Football Association helping to turn England into World Cup semi-finalists. Ashworth used data on the time penalty-takers took, which showed that those who rushed spot-kicks were more likely to miss.
On the role of the goalkeepers, Jordet lists five key aspects used to put off a taker. Bruce Grobbelaar used spaghetti legs as a visual distraction, while other tactics include physical or verbal confrontation, delaying or “social manipulation”, which Martinez used against United. In fact, he used all five weapons in the goalkeepers’ arsenal to get into the mind of Bruno.
Jordet says much of this is down to character. Tim Krul is a penalty expert who has his own way of putting off his opponent, while fellow Dutchman Edwin van der Sar was never flustered or angry yet managed to manipulate the situation with his delaying tactics.
“Edwin van der Sar was one of the fascinating studies. He is a different type of person to Martinez but found his own way by simply taking time to get in goal. There was no trash talk but he forced the taker to wait and marinate in his own anxiety. It was 1-0 to Van der Sar,” said Jordet. “Martinez put it all together. All those five strategies outlined, he used every one of them to perfection. It is fascinating and a little bit scary.”
Jordet’s obsession with penalties will strike a chord with England fans after their heartache in major tournaments, which was added to this summer with defeat in the European Championships final when they took Italy to a shoot-out.
Ashworth highlighted the time it took to take a penalty but other aspects include whether the star player is taking it, the type of penalty taken, what is riding on the outcome or even whether the player turns his back on the keeper before his run-up.
“It comes from a Norwegian who has not been to the World Cup in 20 years,” Jordet joked. His data comes from every penalty shoot-out in the World Cup, Euros or Champions League since 1976. It shows that English keepers are not cut from the same cloth as Martinez in terms of putting off opponents.
“Joe Hart did some of these things unsuccessfully,” he said. “In 2012, at the Euros [where England also lost to Italy in a shoot-out] he would talk and be quite active. But historically, the big English national team goalkeepers were fairly well behaved. But it is complex. It is a matter of what you are comfortable with as a goalkeeper and what type of person you are. There are not many like Martinez who could get away with what he does, because it is so far away from who they are.”
Next up for Villa and Martinez are Tottenham on Saturday: Harry Kane, you have been warned.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 08, 2021, 07:13:21 PM
Now would be a good time to look at certain players' contracts and make sure there are no buy out clauses in them.
Yep and be renegotiating with the likes of Emi, Doug, and Ollie.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 09, 2021, 09:51:58 AM
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Post by: cdbearsfan on October 09, 2021, 10:13:04 AM
Post by: john e on October 09, 2021, 01:36:50 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 09, 2021, 02:01:32 PM
Transfermarkt.co.uk is your friend for these sort of enquiries.
Post by: purpletrousers on October 09, 2021, 02:17:22 PM
The Athletic had another in depth article by their goalkeeping writer.
It’s exciting, impressive and a relief to have him. I was describing the Man U action to my Mrs (a convert from that particular dark side) and she asked is it allowed, my response was yes and no, given there are limits/boundaries he’s obviously pushing.
I have to say there is a small part of me that would rather not resort to trash talking, I guess somehow it being honourable not to need to resort to such stuff, another part of me amazed we have one the best keepers in the world and likely the most interesting personality, of the nominees newest to being a first choice and with so so much more to show.
I liked the sound of his happiness and loyalty not long ago, certainly hope we can tie him down for longer.
Post by: john e on October 09, 2021, 05:28:17 PM
Four years, expires June 2024.
Transfermarkt.co.uk is your friend for these sort of enquiries.
Cheers
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 09, 2021, 05:32:56 PM
Yes agree on Emi he’s exceptional and to me the one world class player we have - hopefully we have a couple who might make it but Emi is there now.
For me the most important signing since we came back up, not just for his ability as love his attitude.
Post by: olaftab on October 09, 2021, 08:51:42 PM
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Post by: nigel on October 11, 2021, 08:43:41 AM
Starts tonight in the most played international match, Argentina vs Uruguay.
Didn’t know that.
I’d have guessed on England v Scotland, with it being the oldest
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 11, 2021, 08:46:00 AM
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Post by: PaulWinch again on October 11, 2021, 05:08:27 PM
Messi again raving about our Emi. We’ll have some serious bids for him next Summer I’m afraid unless we breakthrough this year.
I think there’s a good chance we’ll face serious interest in any event. He’s world class and there aren’t many keepers of his quality around. I would be looking to put a hefty new contract in front of him now. Hopefully we are.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 11, 2021, 11:46:12 PM
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Post by: cdbearsfan on October 12, 2021, 12:29:24 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 12, 2021, 02:06:26 AM
Can we get someone to deal with Messi?! Percy must know some people who can "have a word..."
Keep watching Sky Sports News😉 I’m trying to get their game called off so Emi can get back in time for our game.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 15, 2021, 12:57:30 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 15, 2021, 03:36:40 AM
Post by: Perthvillan on October 15, 2021, 05:01:29 AM
The Peru penalty taker hit the bar, but I noticed that Emi dived the right way.
We need to improve his current deal.
Post by: Villafirst on October 15, 2021, 05:53:00 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on October 15, 2021, 07:34:14 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 15, 2021, 08:44:27 AM
Emi gave away a penalty by clattering in to one of the Peru forwards who was trying to take the ball past him.
The Peru penalty taker hit the bar, but I noticed that Emi dived the right way.
We need to improve his current deal.
Emi was probably bored.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on October 15, 2021, 09:19:34 AM
Messi again raving about our Emi. We’ll have some serious bids for him next Summer I’m afraid unless we breakthrough this year.Is this the part where even Messi says 'he deserves a 'bigger' club?'
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 15, 2021, 09:23:20 AM
I see both Argentina and Brazil are streaking away with it. I imagine this means they won't need to replay the suspended game as they will both qualify anyway. Convenient ducking of blame for Conmebol.
I'd imagine the game has already been sold to broadcasters who wouldn't be happy about it not being replaced. They'll probably squeeze it in next summer.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on October 15, 2021, 11:25:38 AM
I see both Argentina and Brazil are streaking away with it. I imagine this means they won't need to replay the suspended game as they will both qualify anyway. Convenient ducking of blame for Conmebol.
I'd imagine the game has already been sold to broadcasters who wouldn't be happy about it not being replaced. They'll probably squeeze it in next summer.
Hadn't thought of that. Call it a world cup warm up
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 15, 2021, 01:55:26 PM
In terms of our internationals, I expect all of them to be back. We will assess whether they’re going to be available to play or not.
Martinez and Luiz are the latest ones to come back but they’ll be in the squad
Post by: BC Villain on October 28, 2021, 08:46:05 PM
https://twitter.com/RoyNemer/status/1453793308199817218?t=zCoWQiKYifp12D0bbW-l8A&s=19
Post by: Flin5tone on October 28, 2021, 09:53:33 PM
This again highlights why we needed a top quality,premier league No.2 . Losing Heaton and not replacing him with someone of equal ability was an awful decision by the Football Club. Absolutely shocking
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 28, 2021, 10:10:04 PM
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Post by: SoccerHQ on October 28, 2021, 10:46:33 PM
I assume he hasn't yet seen him play live for us so hopefully he can fully recover and watch a game at VP eventually.
Best wishes to Emi.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 28, 2021, 10:58:15 PM
I'd imagine the mental health of some overseas players may be boosted by the knowledge that they can get back home at short notice in case of these sort of emergencies.
Post by: OCD on October 29, 2021, 01:22:59 PM
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Post by: Footy-Vill on October 31, 2021, 09:41:15 PM
Having travelled to Argentina and come back .
It wasn't really necessary for us to have him back here and Emi should have been given more time with his family.
I can't fault him under such difficult circumstances
Post by: Ads on October 31, 2021, 09:43:49 PM
Post by: OzVilla on October 31, 2021, 09:44:19 PM
I’m hoping he’s not getting his head turned elsewhere as Messi seems to be acting like his agent most of the time.
Post by: brontebilly on October 31, 2021, 09:58:08 PM
Another poor decision by Smith then.
There weren't too many complaining before the game....but Smith can't catch a break at the moment.
Post by: Flin5tone on October 31, 2021, 10:55:03 PM
Not having a Premier League no.2 at the football club is as bad of a decision as not bringing in a proper central midfielder. DISGRACE!
Post by: LeeB on November 01, 2021, 10:26:49 AM
Awful
Not having a Premier League no.2 at the football club is as bad of a decision as not bringing in a proper central midfielder. DISGRACE!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNJRxgsWkAAb7cp?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Post by: AV82EC on November 01, 2021, 10:53:28 AM
Awful
Not having a Premier League no.2 at the football club is as bad of a decision as not bringing in a proper central midfielder. DISGRACE!
Is that you Liz Truss?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 01, 2021, 10:58:37 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 01, 2021, 06:14:53 PM
Awful
Not having a Premier League no.2 at the football club is as bad of a decision as not bringing in a proper central midfielder. DISGRACE!
Matty Cash is number 2, mate. The rest just play like they are.
Post by: wince on November 01, 2021, 06:28:34 PM
AwfulI had a premier league number 2 yesterday. A full 6 sheets to wipe away the evidence.
Not having a Premier League no.2 at the football club is as bad of a decision as not bringing in a proper central midfielder. DISGRACE!
Post by: Taylor on November 01, 2021, 06:30:14 PM
Awful
Not having a Premier League no.2 at the football club is as bad of a decision as not bringing in a proper central midfielder. DISGRACE!
AwfulGood grief.
Not having a Premier League no.2 at the football club is as bad of a decision as not bringing in a proper central midfielder. DISGRACE!
Post by: LukeJames on November 01, 2021, 07:01:01 PM
Post by: boutrosboutrosgnarly on November 01, 2021, 08:33:56 PM
Take no notice mate, par for the course.He won't stop he'll just 'keep right on'Awful
Not having a Premier League no.2 at the football club is as bad of a decision as not bringing in a proper central midfielder. DISGRACE!AwfulGood grief.
Not having a Premier League no.2 at the football club is as bad of a decision as not bringing in a proper central midfielder. DISGRACE!
Post by: brontebilly on November 02, 2021, 10:35:19 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 02, 2021, 10:41:15 AM
Post by: Risso on November 02, 2021, 12:09:48 PM
He should have saved the second, could have cost Smith his job.
And the first. Struggling to recall many saves he's made at all this season to be honest. Not much he can do when the defence has been as robust as a cardboard teapot though I suppose.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 02, 2021, 12:14:11 PM
The problem is the total lack of a robust midfield in front of the defence.
Post by: LeeB on November 02, 2021, 04:36:57 PM
The keeper isn't the problem, nor is the defence to a certain degree.
The problem is the total lack of a robust midfield in front of the defence.
It feels less like a midfield, more like a hyperspace wormhole where our players disappear, and swathes of enemies appear from nowhere to attack
Post by: adrenachrome on November 03, 2021, 02:14:02 AM
The keeper isn't the problem, nor is the defence to a certain degree.
The problem is the total lack of a robust midfield in front of the defence.
It feels less like a midfield, more like a hyperspace wormhole where our players disappear, and swathes of enemies appear from nowhere to attack
Please give us
A DCM
Not a Marvelous or a Douglas
West Ham had two
And we had none
And then we came out pointless
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 03, 2021, 08:29:38 AM
top haikuThe keeper isn't the problem, nor is the defence to a certain degree.
The problem is the total lack of a robust midfield in front of the defence.
It feels less like a midfield, more like a hyperspace wormhole where our players disappear, and swathes of enemies appear from nowhere to attack
Please give us
A DCM
Not a Marvelous or a Douglas
West Ham had two
And we had none
And then we came out pointless
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 03, 2021, 10:50:43 AM
The keeper isn't the problem, nor is the defence to a certain degree.
The problem is the total lack of a robust midfield in front of the defence.
It feels less like a midfield, more like a hyperspace wormhole where our players disappear, and swathes of enemies appear from nowhere to attack
Please give us
A DCM
Not a Marvelous or a Douglas
West Ham had two
And we had none
And then we came out pointless
ALL TOGETHER NOW
Post by: Ad@m on November 03, 2021, 12:45:22 PM
The keeper isn't the problem, nor is the defence to a certain degree.
The problem is the total lack of a robust midfield in front of the defence.
Correct (although I'd say the defence also hasn't been helped by the formation changes).
The first two goals on Sunday came from their right back (who should've been tracked back by Bailey) and their DCM, who should've been closed down much quicker by one of our three centre mids.
You can't blame Emi for either of those.
Post by: Edvard Remberg on November 13, 2021, 12:58:17 AM
Post by: frank black on November 13, 2021, 06:56:43 AM
How very Aston Villa of me 😂 (we really would be knackered if Emi got injured)
Post by: dave shelley on November 13, 2021, 08:55:50 AM
Whenever there’s been internationals and I see a player thread bump to the top of the page, I assume there’s been an injury.
How very Aston Villa of me 😂 (we really would be knackered if Emi got injured)
Shh! You'll wake Fred5stone.
Post by: Risso on November 13, 2021, 09:08:53 AM
Post by: richtheholtender on November 17, 2021, 01:30:31 PM
Post by: Kevin Dawson on November 17, 2021, 01:48:20 PM
Post by: darren woolley on November 17, 2021, 07:38:43 PM
Post by: Risso on November 21, 2021, 01:18:47 PM
Post by: Ad@m on November 21, 2021, 06:33:32 PM
If we're going to stand a chance of finishing above last season's position we need the defence back in the habit of keeping clean sheets at all costs.
Post by: darren woolley on November 22, 2021, 10:12:15 AM
Post by: Monty on November 29, 2021, 09:23:18 PM
Post by: Steve67 on November 29, 2021, 09:24:35 PM
Our great secret no longer - just came sixth in the goalkeeper of the year category of the Ballon d'Or awards thingy.
Gives the club a bit more exposure as well. Top 10 in the world, not a bad place to be!
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 29, 2021, 09:24:47 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 29, 2021, 09:26:47 PM
Our great secret no longer - just came sixth in the goalkeeper of the year category of the Ballon d'Or awards thingy.
Should've been top three (says a man who only ever watches Villa). I'm guessing Donnarumma was no. 1?
Post by: Monty on November 29, 2021, 09:35:33 PM
Post by: Steve67 on November 29, 2021, 09:48:45 PM
Post by: eamonn on November 29, 2021, 11:24:42 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on November 30, 2021, 11:54:24 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 05, 2021, 06:50:35 PM
Post by: LukeJames on December 05, 2021, 08:02:30 PM
Post by: Dave on December 05, 2021, 08:21:42 PM
That's one of the best saves I have seen a Villa keeper make. Up there with Gyzan against QPR infront if the Holte.
Literally came to post "it wasn't quite Guzan vs QPR, but it's next in line after that one"
Post by: LeeB on December 05, 2021, 09:22:06 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on December 06, 2021, 10:54:36 AM
Post by: brontebilly on December 06, 2021, 11:22:40 AM
Post by: Dr Butler on December 06, 2021, 11:31:01 AM
That's one of the best saves I have seen a Villa keeper make. Up there with Gyzan against QPR infront if the Holte.
Literally came to post "it wasn't quite Guzan vs QPR, but it's next in line after that one"
what about O.Nyland(?) vs Licester in league cup semi final ?
I thought it was top class...
UTV
The Doc
Post by: enigma on December 22, 2021, 06:57:11 AM
What they said:
"With goalkeeprs, it is not just what they do but how they do it. Martínez makes improbable saves all the time but his personality is what makes him extra special for club and country. His leadership skills helped to tighten the defence at Villa, with whom, in his first season, he equalled a club record for the number of clean sheets kept in a Premier League campaign. Then he went to the Copa América and inspired Argentina to victory, memorably making three saves in the penalty shootout win over Colombia in the semi-final after sledging the takers. “Martínez is fundamental,” said none other than Lionel Messi in September. “When opponents come at him, he always has an answer.”
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2021/dec/21/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2021
Post by: UK Redsox on December 22, 2021, 09:58:44 AM
However, the list loses much of its credibility by including Luke Shaw
Post by: LeeB on December 22, 2021, 10:01:46 AM
Mahrez is also above the ex-player ;D
However, the list loses much of its credibility by including Luke Shaw
Can someone please tell me what it is with Luke Shaw that I'm missing? Apart from the shirt he wears?
He's a capable full back with fitness and positional issues. He'd be lucky to make it that high in a list of the 100 best footballers in Manchester.
Post by: Mister E on December 22, 2021, 10:13:05 AM
Post by: Rigadon on December 22, 2021, 12:50:56 PM
Mahrez is also above the ex-player ;D
However, the list loses much of its credibility by including Luke Shaw
Can someone please tell me what it is with Luke Shaw that I'm missing? Apart from the shirt he wears?
He's a capable full back with fitness and positional issues. He'd be lucky to make it that high in a list of the 100 best footballers in Manchester.
I can't I'm afraid. He always strikes me as being a slightly above average full back and that's it.
I hope Martinez doesn't have a release clause. And McGinn. Because they will be sought-after in the summer.
Post by: placeforparks on December 22, 2021, 01:13:45 PM
However, the list loses much of its credibility by including Luke Shaw
he had a great euros, and this list seems heavily skewed to the euros.
i also note julian alvarez of river plate, who we were linked with in the summer, is at 91
Post by: Damo70 on December 22, 2021, 01:34:35 PM
1 Bosnich
2 Martinez
3 Friedel
4 Rimmer
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 22, 2021, 01:58:46 PM
Post by: brontebilly on December 22, 2021, 04:58:58 PM
My top Villa keepers would be
1 Bosnich
2 Martinez
3 Friedel
4 Rimmer
I'm always surprised with Friedel's enduring popularity on here...I thought he was no more than ok. David James, FA Cup final error aside, was very good for us I thought. Sam Johnstone was a brilliant shot stopper for us too.
No disputing the first two. Bosnich made impossible saves seem possible at his best.
Post by: paul_e on December 22, 2021, 05:05:02 PM
My top Villa keepers would be
1 Bosnich
2 Martinez
3 Friedel
4 Rimmer
I'm always surprised with Friedel's enduring popularity on here...I thought he was no more than ok. David James, FA Cup final error aside, was very good for us I thought. Sam Johnstone was a brilliant shot stopper for us too.
No disputing the first two. Bosnich made impossible saves seem possible at his best.
Sam Johnstone was a decent shot stopper but his overall ability is a long way behind anyone else named in your post or the one you're quoting. First choice at a yoyo club is about right given his ability (which I'd say isn't all that much more than Steer).
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 22, 2021, 05:10:36 PM
My top Villa keepers would be
1 Bosnich
2 Martinez
3 Friedel
4 Rimmer
I'm always surprised with Friedel's enduring popularity on here...I thought he was no more than ok. David James, FA Cup final error aside, was very good for us I thought. Sam Johnstone was a brilliant shot stopper for us too.
No disputing the first two. Bosnich made impossible saves seem possible at his best.
I agree with all that. I thought James was excellent for us over the piece (you know what notwithstanding).
Post by: Smirker on December 22, 2021, 06:22:56 PM
Should be our captain imo.
Post by: Allan C on December 22, 2021, 06:28:12 PM
My top Villa keepers would beGreat list with the exception of Friedel. Surely a place could be found for Coombs and Spink. My particular favourite after Bossie would be Jim Coombs then Martinez Rimmer and Spink
1 Bosnich
2 Martinez
3 Friedel
4 Rimmer
I'm always surprised with Friedel's enduring popularity on here...I thought he was no more than ok. David James, FA Cup final error aside, was very good for us I thought. Sam Johnstone was a brilliant shot stopper for us too.
No disputing the first two. Bosnich made impossible saves seem possible at his best.
I agree with all that. I thought James was excellent for us over the piece (you know what notwithstanding).
Post by: nigel on December 22, 2021, 06:28:25 PM
My top Villa keepers would be
1 Bosnich
2 Martinez
3 Friedel
4 Rimmer
I'm always surprised with Friedel's enduring popularity on here...I thought he was no more than ok. David James, FA Cup final error aside, was very good for us I thought. Sam Johnstone was a brilliant shot stopper for us too.
No disputing the first two. Bosnich made impossible saves seem possible at his best.
I agree with all that. I thought James was excellent for us over the piece (you know what notwithstanding).
I don’t get it with Bosnich either.
People are entitled to their opinion, though.
For me, In no particular order
Simms, Rimmer, Spink and Martinez were/are all way better
Bosnich I’d rank alongside Guzan.
Made some great saves and had some great games. Both let themselves down
Edit: Good call for Jimmy Cumbes, probably my favourite keeper without being the best
Post by: Dick Edwards on December 22, 2021, 07:36:22 PM
Post by: nigel on December 22, 2021, 08:59:03 PM
CUMBES!! >:(
I put that to start with and it looked wrong 😂
Should have googled it
It’s the new Clark / Clarke
Post by: Steve67 on December 22, 2021, 09:44:12 PM
Post by: Risso on December 22, 2021, 10:40:01 PM
Bosnich's kicking was very poor if I remember rightly. Martinez is about the best I've seen.
To be fair to Bosnich, they brought the back pass rule out when he was well into his career. He did have a foot like a 50p piece though.
Post by: Smirker on December 23, 2021, 10:56:22 AM
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Post by: SoccerHQ on December 23, 2021, 12:36:51 PM
He played a big part in one of our league cup wins. Interesting watching the season reviews how many errors he actually made during the season with miscommunication with defence (far more than Emi) but sort who can then produce a Coventry style wonder save five minutes later as if nothing had happened.
I do think if we can quality for europe or actually win something Emi will comfortably surpass him especially given what he's achieved at international level in last 12 months.
James was good apart from the obvious game. Friedel solid but never reached the form he did at Blackburn here imo.
Post by: Steve67 on December 23, 2021, 12:41:12 PM
Bosnich's kicking was very poor if I remember rightly. Martinez is about the best I've seen.
To be fair to Bosnich, they brought the back pass rule out when he was well into his career. He did have a foot like a 50p piece though.
That's a very good point and I had forgotten about that. Also, Bosnich tried to end Klinsmann, which was quite funny at the time.
Post by: Risso on December 23, 2021, 05:28:47 PM
Bosnich's kicking was very poor if I remember rightly. Martinez is about the best I've seen.
To be fair to Bosnich, they brought the back pass rule out when he was well into his career. He did have a foot like a 50p piece though.
That's a very good point and I had forgotten about that. Also, Bosnich tried to end Klinsmann, which was quite funny at the time.
And then when he was getting a bit of stick about it the following year, did a Nazi salute and goosestep back at them.
Post by: eamonn on December 23, 2021, 05:39:36 PM
Anyway Bozzie was still young in 1991 when the rule came in, ample time for him to sort his feet out. Ian Walker did it with aplomb albeit with more annoying hair.
Post by: LeeB on December 23, 2021, 05:47:23 PM
I notice the verb "to end...someone" has crept into modern usage. Still think Saranyu was the trailblazer with "to funeral...the Toon".
Anyway Bozzie was still young in 1991 when the rule came in, ample time for him to sort his feet out. Ian Walker did it with aplomb albeit with more annoying hair.
The same Ian Walker that was confronted by an angry Leicester fan for being shit when we gubbed them 5-0 at the crisp dome?
Post by: Smithy on December 23, 2021, 05:47:45 PM
Bosnich's kicking was very poor if I remember rightly. Martinez is about the best I've seen.
To be fair to Bosnich, they brought the back pass rule out when he was well into his career. He did have a foot like a 50p piece though.
That's a very good point and I had forgotten about that. Also, Bosnich tried to end Klinsmann, which was quite funny at the time.
And then when he was getting a bit of stick about it the following year, did a Nazi salute and goosestep back at them.
Fucking hell, I'd completely forgotten about that. Can you IMAGINE if that was something that happened today??
Post by: Sleeuwenhoek on December 23, 2021, 07:13:11 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 23, 2021, 07:15:50 PM
there would be total outrageBosnich's kicking was very poor if I remember rightly. Martinez is about the best I've seen.
To be fair to Bosnich, they brought the back pass rule out when he was well into his career. He did have a foot like a 50p piece though.
That's a very good point and I had forgotten about that. Also, Bosnich tried to end Klinsmann, which was quite funny at the time.
And then when he was getting a bit of stick about it the following year, did a Nazi salute and goosestep back at them.
Fucking hell, I'd completely forgotten about that. Can you IMAGINE if that was something that happened today??
Post by: brontebilly on December 23, 2021, 08:17:09 PM
I notice the verb "to end...someone" has crept into modern usage. Still think Saranyu was the trailblazer with "to funeral...the Toon".
Anyway Bozzie was still young in 1991 when the rule came in, ample time for him to sort his feet out. Ian Walker did it with aplomb albeit with more annoying hair.
The same Ian Walker that was confronted by an angry Leicester fan for being shit when we gubbed them 5-0 at the crisp dome?
Walker was shit
Post by: eamonn on December 24, 2021, 12:25:57 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 24, 2021, 09:50:21 AM
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Post by: RamboandBruno on December 24, 2021, 10:26:47 AM
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Post by: rooboy316 on December 24, 2021, 10:39:28 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 24, 2021, 10:41:23 AM
Martinez is the best goalkeeper we've ever had.
The only thing in doubt if his length of service. Three or four more years and I don’t think it would even be a debate.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 24, 2021, 10:58:41 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 24, 2021, 10:59:47 AM
Bloody Dwight Yorke leaving gave me ptsd as a youngun, and Joe added to it this year. It’s reached the point where I can’t fully appreciate Emi for fear of losing him. Football is stupid.this.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 24, 2021, 11:09:12 AM
Emi Martínez
@emimartinezz1
·
Dec 5
Back in business Flexed biceps
Delighted to come away with three points infront of our own fans.
Dedicating that to Arthur.
Devuelta a la victoria Flexed biceps
Tremendos 3 puntos en nuestra casa.
Es para vos Arthur
Post by: Simon Page on December 24, 2021, 12:39:55 PM
Long may football continue to do this to us.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 24, 2021, 02:07:00 PM
Post by: Steve67 on December 24, 2021, 02:34:16 PM
It does raise the point though that keeping has had to change because of the rules being altered. I remember thinking Pep was crazy for dropping Joe Hart because he wasn't a good enough player. He was right.
Post by: paul_e on December 24, 2021, 02:41:13 PM
I don't think any of us as slagging Bozzie off Simon. Just recalling things we remember. He was a great keeper of his time and played his part in a cracking team.
It does raise the point though that keeping has had to change because of the rules being altered. I remember thinking Pep was crazy for dropping Joe Hart because he wasn't a good enough player. He was right.
Given the amount of teams that use a high press I reckon a keeper with the vision and ability to shift the ball forward quickly is now more important than centre backs who are decent on the ball, it's the one position where you can always be guaranteed the time to look up and pick a man out in 'open' play.
Post by: AV82EC on December 24, 2021, 02:49:50 PM
Post by: eamonn on December 24, 2021, 03:24:29 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 24, 2021, 03:49:07 PM
Do you not think though it’s about time we had someone like Martinez acting up the way he does. We’ve been way too accommodating and nice for years.every decent team needs a bit of shit-house in them. Ashley Young has been doing it in recent matches.
Post by: nigel on December 24, 2021, 05:57:45 PM
Funny how some players can be increasingly mythologised over time while the undoubted ability of others are diminished. I'm now certain Little, Shaw and McGrath never dipped below perfection. Meanwhile Bosnich (probably owing to his immense ability to be a tit) has become a series of misplaced kicks and antisemitism. He was truly world class for us and consistently so. One of the best keepers in the world at the time. As is Martinez, even if some of his antics would have you spitting blood if he performed them against us.
Long may football continue to do this to us.
I don’t think anyone has said he was rubbish and slagged him off, Simon.
He was very good for us during his time with us, but ‘consistently world class’ , for me anyhow, is certainly stretching it a bit.
Post by: Simon Page on December 24, 2021, 06:01:56 PM
Do you not think though it’s about time we had someone like Martinez acting up the way he does. We’ve been way too accommodating and nice for years.
In as much as it concerns me, I don't really like it but accept I'm probably in the minority and it isn't going to change any time soon. It many ways the hypocrisy (great when one of ours, otherwise crime against humanity) and the players gesticulating while wearing a respect armband is quite funny.
I wasn't suggesting people were claiming Bozzie was shite (the antisemitism barb was an exaggeration). It's just prior to Martinez you'd struggle to find anyone not just marvelling at his golden age. A similar rewrite is happening with another bloke who used to play for us. And I've done it loads and will absolutely do it again repeatedly. It's one of the joys of football.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 24, 2021, 06:03:22 PM
Do you not think though it’s about time we had someone like Martinez acting up the way he does. We’ve been way too accommodating and nice for years.
I actually think best position to have that type of player who winds up opponents is keeper.
Of course we could have Diego Costa type upfront but reality is playing for us those types would get sent 2-3 times a season and miss 5-10 games.
As keeper Emi rarely gets booked, don't think he did for taunting Fernandes before the penalty miss so can get away with loads more psyching out of opposition than outfield players.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 25, 2021, 01:45:50 AM
Do you not think though it’s about time we had someone like Martinez acting up the way he does. We’ve been way too accommodating and nice for years.
In as much as it concerns me, I don't really like it but accept I'm probably in the minority and it isn't going to change any time soon. It many ways the hypocrisy (great when one of ours, otherwise crime against humanity) and the players gesticulating while wearing a respect armband is quite funny.
I wasn't suggesting people were claiming Bozzie was shite (the antisemitism barb was an exaggeration). It's just prior to Martinez you'd struggle to find anyone not just marvelling at his golden age. A similar rewrite is happening with another bloke who used to play for us. And I've done it loads and will absolutely do it again repeatedly. It's one of the joys of football.
The same is happening, now that Gerrard has made a good start, concerning Dean Smith. It's ok for both of them to be good.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 25, 2021, 07:41:16 AM
Post by: nigel on December 27, 2021, 05:47:43 PM
Post by: Alex77 on December 27, 2021, 06:06:08 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 27, 2021, 06:34:32 PM
What did he actually get booked for? I presumed it was for his usual shit housery but someone told me it was for roughing up the penalty spot.
I saw him do that to the spot, I assumed that was what it was for.
Post by: colin69 on December 27, 2021, 06:49:49 PM
To be fair he should have waited for the ref to turn round but it was funny as fuck!!What did he actually get booked for? I presumed it was for his usual shit housery but someone told me it was for roughing up the penalty spot.
I saw him do that to the spot, I assumed that was what it was for.
Post by: martin o`who?? on December 27, 2021, 10:06:17 PM
Do you not think though it’s about time we had someone like Martinez acting up the way he does. We’ve been way too accommodating and nice for years.We obviously aren't nice to Referees because they seem to hate us.
Post by: martin o`who?? on December 27, 2021, 10:11:14 PM
He were but he could kick better than Bozzie.Jeff McPegleg of number 13 Pronounced limp Street, Crippletown. could kick better than Bozzie.
Post by: Smirker on December 27, 2021, 10:28:50 PM
Martinez, Martinez
Martinez, Martinez
Martinez, Martinez
Martinez, Martinez
Emi Martinez
Emi Martinez
Emi Martinez
Emi Martinez
Emi Martinez
Emi Martinez
Emi Martinez
Emi Martinez
Tune is Sos Cagon:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WjiCoB1EqnY
Post by: Smirker on December 27, 2021, 10:30:44 PM
🇦🇷
Post by: olaftab on December 27, 2021, 10:51:55 PM
Post by: Smirker on December 27, 2021, 11:09:28 PM
How did you come up with the words?
Took ages.
Post by: martin o`who?? on December 28, 2021, 11:48:44 AM
We can tell....How did you come up with the words?
Took ages.
Post by: olaftab on December 29, 2021, 06:22:26 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on December 29, 2021, 06:50:56 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on December 29, 2021, 11:21:37 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 30, 2021, 12:09:44 AM
Still have a nagging suspicion he’ll be gone in the summer.
You wouldn't be a Villa fan if you didn't. These things haunt us all.
Post by: j66acd on January 02, 2022, 07:58:20 AM
And as an ex goalkeeper myself I was starting to get slightly aroused with some of the chat!!
https://youtu.be/jMTxbG-0uqo
Post by: richtheholtender on January 12, 2022, 03:44:46 PM
Post by: mrfuse on January 12, 2022, 10:29:10 PM
Slightly Emi related, but watched this (the fozcast with Ben foster, his mate, neil cutler and boaz myhill) last night and found it fascinating. We are so lucky to have Cutler as our head of goalkeeping. He just seems to understand it.
And as an ex goalkeeper myself I was starting to get slightly aroused with some of the chat!!
https://youtu.be/jMTxbG-0uqo
Thanks for posting this it was a really good watch/listen.
I have never been that interested in goalkeeping but after just watching that I have a real appreciation and a little more understanding of goalkeepers.
Neil Cutler was great and gives an insight into the way he sets up keepers and how Villa do their business. It was interesting that this recording was just before the infamous Southampton game be great to hear his opinion of whats happened since.
Ben Foster is pretty good as well and you can see he loves it and has an infectious enthusiasm.
Post by: Smirker on January 12, 2022, 10:36:44 PM
Still have a nagging suspicion he’ll be gone in the summer.
Not with the World Cup coming up.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 13, 2022, 08:39:55 AM
Still have a nagging suspicion he’ll be gone in the summer.
Not with the World Cup coming up.
He'd be first choice for any side in the world (bar PSG).
Post by: Beard82 on January 13, 2022, 04:26:48 PM
Yeah I wouldnt be surprised if he goes. Shouldnt we be trying to look at an improved contract or something?Still have a nagging suspicion he’ll be gone in the summer.
Not with the World Cup coming up.
Post by: OCD on January 14, 2022, 10:54:05 AM
Post by: olaftab on January 14, 2022, 10:58:20 AM
Yes agreed not with WC a few months away.. He became a regular for Argentina after joining us so we are helping him to progress rather than hindering. However I do think if he does have a good world cup CL teams will come for him.Still have a nagging suspicion he’ll be gone in the summer.
Not with the World Cup coming up.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 14, 2022, 12:44:47 PM
Post by: villadelph on January 14, 2022, 01:00:43 PM
Argentina's Current World Cup Roster.. he seems safe.
GK: Franco Armani, River Plate
GK: Federico Gomes Gerth, Tigre
GK: Emiliano Martinez, Aston Villa
GK: Juan Musso, Atalanta
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 14, 2022, 02:02:39 PM
We will simply move on
(whoo hoo 10K up for me!)
Post by: Smithy on January 14, 2022, 02:14:11 PM
As much as I love him and all great teams start with a world class keeper (copyright Brian Clough) if any player wants to go at the first sight of someone else's knicker elastic then just like Greedy - they can go
We will simply move on
(whoo hoo 10K up for me!)
The difference with Grealish is although you might lose your best attacking player, you can use the money to strengthen two or three positions, and change your formation which actually makes you a better attacking team.
With a GK, that doesn't work. You can only replace a goalkeeper with another goalkeeper. He is, quite simply, irreplaceable at the moment. You could use the money to buy better defenders I suppose, but the goalkeeper would be weaker, and that makes the defence weaker.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 14, 2022, 02:29:20 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 14, 2022, 09:05:40 PM
Teams in Spain and Italy v interested
Clauses for European competition and that and Gerrard wants a keeper who is better playing with the ball.
I think Gerrard fears Martinez his lack of ability to kick the ball , distribution by feet and that Emi doesn't fit the playing style . On Martinez side we cant get him the Champions league football as quickly as he wants.
Don't be surprised if we get Dean Henderson
I suspect Emi will be leaving but not this window.
And Villa will double the money paid of £20m because looking at £50m which is good business
Post by: Drummond on January 14, 2022, 10:42:39 PM
Post by: Risso on January 14, 2022, 10:58:20 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 14, 2022, 11:02:34 PM
Post by: LeonW on January 15, 2022, 12:14:40 AM
I think well Emi could be off in the summer.
Teams in Spain and Italy v interested
Clauses for European competition and that and Gerrard wants a keeper who is better playing with the ball.
I think Gerrard fears Martinez his lack of ability to kick the ball , distribution by feet and that Emi doesn't fit the playing style . On Martinez side we cant get him the Champions league football as quickly as he wants.
Don't be surprised if we get Dean Henderson
I suspect Emi will be leaving but not this window.
And Villa will double the money paid of £20m because looking at £50m which is good business
£50m is only good business if it gets us another goalkeeper with his presence and footwork who is as good. Unlikely.
Post by: Smirker on January 15, 2022, 12:31:32 AM
Post by: LeonW on January 15, 2022, 12:32:55 AM
Why do Villa fans do it to ourselves? We have a great player so he must be off.
Past experience unfortunately.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 15, 2022, 02:54:14 AM
You think too much
Or not at all.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 15, 2022, 02:58:32 AM
I think well Emi could be off in the summer.
Teams in Spain and Italy v interested
Clauses for European competition and that and Gerrard wants a keeper who is better playing with the ball.
I think Gerrard fears Martinez his lack of ability to kick the ball , distribution by feet and that Emi doesn't fit the playing style . On Martinez side we cant get him the Champions league football as quickly as he wants.
Don't be surprised if we get Dean Henderson
I suspect Emi will be leaving but not this window.
And Villa will double the money paid of £20m because looking at £50m which is good business
£50m is only good business if it gets us another goalkeeper with his presence and footwork who is as good. Unlikely.
Kepa cost Chelsea £71m. I wouldn’t take less that £100m for Emi based on that.
Post by: LeonW on January 15, 2022, 04:32:21 AM
I think well Emi could be off in the summer.
Teams in Spain and Italy v interested
Clauses for European competition and that and Gerrard wants a keeper who is better playing with the ball.
I think Gerrard fears Martinez his lack of ability to kick the ball , distribution by feet and that Emi doesn't fit the playing style . On Martinez side we cant get him the Champions league football as quickly as he wants.
Don't be surprised if we get Dean Henderson
I suspect Emi will be leaving but not this window.
And Villa will double the money paid of £20m because looking at £50m which is good business
£50m is only good business if it gets us another goalkeeper with his presence and footwork who is as good. Unlikely.
Kepa cost Chelsea £71m. I wouldn’t take less that £100m for Emi based on that.
The money is always well spent in theory. I’d rather have the player.
Post by: richtheholtender on January 15, 2022, 07:40:05 PM
Post by: LeonW on January 15, 2022, 08:29:24 PM
Post by: The Charmer on January 16, 2022, 11:11:27 AM
As much as anything, I think it's because we're accustomed to his standard being so high.
These things can happen to the best of goalkeepers . . . but . . .
The Celebration. That moment will stay with me as long as the equaliser at the other end.
What a bloke!
Post by: nigel on January 16, 2022, 05:33:29 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 16, 2022, 05:37:35 PM
But also noted how he was kicking out of play again
Really needs to work on that distribution
Fantastic passion shown by him and amazing reactions for a save when he rushed off his line.
Fantastic.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 16, 2022, 05:39:30 PM
Is there a link to this celebration?Hi nigel I'll put some links up to the match and maybe from there could find something
It's a wonderful site to see
Not sure it's on match highlights though
Post by: colin69 on January 16, 2022, 06:09:53 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 16, 2022, 06:13:22 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 16, 2022, 06:17:28 PM
Post by: Lsvilla on January 16, 2022, 06:22:14 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 16, 2022, 06:22:49 PM
Is there a link to this celebration?Here you go buddy!
New Year wishes and UTV
https://twitter.com/CrewsMat10/status/1482433064190062593?s=20
And
https://twitter.com/CrewsMat10/status/1482433783160782854?s=20
Post by: OCD on January 16, 2022, 06:40:15 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 16, 2022, 06:51:56 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 16, 2022, 06:52:30 PM
Is jumping into the crowd not a yellow card?
I don’t think so. He didn’t take his top off which is a bookable offence.
Post by: WassallVillain on January 16, 2022, 06:54:06 PM
I'm just glad he didn't get booked!My concentration is not what it once was but I don’t recall EMI kicking it out of play. I did see De Gea do it. I think!
But also noted how he was kicking out of play again
Really needs to work on that distribution
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 16, 2022, 06:54:36 PM
Post by: WassallVillain on January 16, 2022, 06:55:36 PM
Is jumping into the crowd not a yellow card?Not if it’s not seen.
Post by: nigel on January 16, 2022, 06:55:49 PM
Is there a link to this celebration?Here you go buddy!
New Year wishes and UTV
https://twitter.com/CrewsMat10/status/1482433064190062593?s=20
And
https://twitter.com/CrewsMat10/status/1482433783160782854?s=20
Brilliant, thank you
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 16, 2022, 07:38:42 PM
I'm just glad he didn't get booked!My concentration is not what it once was but I don’t recall EMI kicking it out of play. I did see De Gea do it. I think!
But also noted how he was kicking out of play again
Really needs to work on that distribution
I don’t remember him kicking it out either. I think Footy is wide of the mark here. As well as all his other attributes i think Martinez has the best distribution of any Villa keeper i can remember.
Post by: Risso on January 16, 2022, 07:57:10 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 16, 2022, 08:00:41 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 16, 2022, 08:02:36 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 16, 2022, 09:21:00 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 16, 2022, 09:23:14 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 16, 2022, 09:27:06 PM
I highly rate him but his kicking out and length of kicking isn't the greatest.
I use to say he was the best in the league and world class levels but he isn't as good as the two Brazilian keepers for me as a footballer .
He is better though than them in handling.
Great attitude off the pitch too. Really principled and family guy . That's the sort of decent person you want at the club. Inspired signing by Smith
Post by: Smirker on January 16, 2022, 09:57:39 PM
He strikes me as the type of person who is very appreciative of what he has. Personally and professionally. We plucked him for next to nothing from Arsenal and he will be starting in goal for Argentina at the next WC. We have embraced him and he’s embraced us. He loves it at Villa and we are now adding proper top quality players. He has no need to leave.
I think all of this is true but after Joe I don't trust any of them any more. Never will either. If I had to guess I'd say he would stay but more to do with clubs probably not willing to offer what we'd accept, unless there is something in his contract we don't know about.
How long has he got on his current deal? Needs extending. Douglas and Emi extended ASAP.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 16, 2022, 10:20:08 PM
Post by: Ger Regan on January 21, 2022, 11:01:26 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 21, 2022, 11:03:50 AM
Post by: caster troy on January 21, 2022, 11:05:59 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 21, 2022, 11:06:21 AM
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 21, 2022, 11:07:10 AM
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 21, 2022, 11:07:49 AM
Where is this news?https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/january/21/mart-nez-signs-contract-extension-until-2027/
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 21, 2022, 11:08:00 AM
Post by: KNVillan on January 21, 2022, 11:08:16 AM
Where is this news?
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/january/21/mart-nez-signs-contract-extension-until-2027/
Post by: Risso on January 21, 2022, 11:09:36 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 21, 2022, 11:10:26 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 21, 2022, 11:10:45 AM
I genuinely can't think of any other mistakes that he has made. He is a world class keeper and I'm really pleased we have him.
Nah, there's been a few. Lingard scored two at VP last season that went straight through him.
Post by: eamonn on January 21, 2022, 11:12:28 AM
Post by: Martin Carruthers on January 21, 2022, 11:12:38 AM
Post by: Risso on January 21, 2022, 11:13:59 AM
Great news though. His buy-out surely north of £50m
I would guess that if there is one, it’ll be double that. We’d want more than that for him now, and buy-outs are normally pitched at eye-watering levels.
Post by: Drummond on January 21, 2022, 11:14:30 AM
Superb news. Obviously buying into Gerrard’s vision for the future.
Yep, definitely, and the club as a whole, I think Lange and Purslow too must have had a big part in this, given they were around when he joined. It shows the whole club is moving in the right direction.
We've also helped him to realise his dream of being Argentina's Number One, so on that basis, why would he want to move.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 21, 2022, 11:15:59 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 21, 2022, 11:16:24 AM
Now, isn't Paulo Dybala available on a free?
Post by: chrisw1 on January 21, 2022, 11:18:37 AM
Post by: DB on January 21, 2022, 11:24:10 AM
Post by: Risso on January 21, 2022, 11:24:12 AM
I do wonder if the fantastic support he got after his mistake on Saturday may have helped even if only in a very small way. He seemed quite emotional at the end of the game.
Could well have been Chris. The way he celebrated with the fans after the goal, then walked slowly to acknowledge the Holte End at the finale whistle. Cracking player and all round top bloke.
This is massive news. I’m fairly certain he was on the radar of the usual suspects and this just sends out the message “you can all fuck off, we’re coming for you.”
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 21, 2022, 11:24:23 AM
He does give most fans a level of confidence in each game, i bet its the same for the whole defence.
Post by: OCD on January 21, 2022, 11:25:08 AM
Post by: SaddVillan on January 21, 2022, 11:28:18 AM
Post by: colin69 on January 21, 2022, 11:28:51 AM
What the hell were Arsenal playing at?
Post by: Beard82 on January 21, 2022, 11:31:15 AM
Fuck me - we really mean business
Post by: Risso on January 21, 2022, 11:32:33 AM
This is brilliant news - I really was expecting him to move in the summer as he seems too good to not be playing in the champions league!
Fuck me - we really mean business
We do indeed. Next year could be very exciting indeed. If we keep Coutinho, having him and Martinez is a nice enticement for big name new players.
Post by: Beard82 on January 21, 2022, 11:33:03 AM
After that cock-up on Sat, can't believe we've given him a new contract.I told my wife - who hates football - but saw that mistake on Saturday - and she said exactly that
Post by: bilsim on January 21, 2022, 11:36:09 AM
Not only is he an elite keeper, but you can genuinely see that he just "gets it" at Villa.
Post by: dave shelley on January 21, 2022, 11:37:31 AM
Post by: Bobby Boy on January 21, 2022, 11:38:17 AM
Great stuff.
Post by: dave shelley on January 21, 2022, 11:40:29 AM
Post by: Bobby Boy on January 21, 2022, 11:42:17 AM
After that cock-up on Sat, can't believe we've given him a new contract.I told my wife - who hates football - but saw that mistake on Saturday - and she said exactly that
Is this
After that cock-up on Sat, can't believe we've given him a new contract.
Are you kidding? If you are basing contract awards on being faultless then every player that has ever played the game wouldn't have been worthy of one.
Not Pele. Not Maradona. Not Messi.
You are joking, yes?
Post by: Beard82 on January 21, 2022, 11:43:27 AM
Yeah - these are jokes. Apart from my wife who has no clue about football - but I apologises on her behalf :-)After that cock-up on Sat, can't believe we've given him a new contract.I told my wife - who hates football - but saw that mistake on Saturday - and she said exactly that
Is thisAfter that cock-up on Sat, can't believe we've given him a new contract.
Are you kidding? If you are basing contract awards on being faultless then every player that has ever played the game isn't worthy of one.
Not Pele. Not Maradona. Not Messi.
You are joking, yes?
Post by: manic-road on January 21, 2022, 11:44:44 AM
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 21, 2022, 11:45:11 AM
Post by: TaxDodger on January 21, 2022, 11:47:00 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 21, 2022, 11:48:00 AM
Yeah - these are jokes. Apart from my wife who has no clue about football - but I apologises on her behalf :-)After that cock-up on Sat, can't believe we've given him a new contract.I told my wife - who hates football - but saw that mistake on Saturday - and she said exactly that
Is thisAfter that cock-up on Sat, can't believe we've given him a new contract.
Are you kidding? If you are basing contract awards on being faultless then every player that has ever played the game isn't worthy of one.
Not Pele. Not Maradona. Not Messi.
You are joking, yes?
Admit it. You said to her look at that cock up from Emi Martinez and she got very interested all of a sudden…
Superb news though. What an excellent window it’s been for player acquisition and retention.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 21, 2022, 11:51:44 AM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/january/21/mart-nez--villa-feels-like-home/
Post by: darren woolley on January 21, 2022, 11:51:56 AM
Post by: Beard82 on January 21, 2022, 11:55:37 AM
Ha yeah - she pushed our two kids out the way in her rush overYeah - these are jokes. Apart from my wife who has no clue about football - but I apologises on her behalf :-)After that cock-up on Sat, can't believe we've given him a new contract.I told my wife - who hates football - but saw that mistake on Saturday - and she said exactly that
Is thisAfter that cock-up on Sat, can't believe we've given him a new contract.
Are you kidding? If you are basing contract awards on being faultless then every player that has ever played the game isn't worthy of one.
Not Pele. Not Maradona. Not Messi.
You are joking, yes?
Admit it. You said to her look at that cock up from Emi Martinez and she got very interested all of a sudden…
Superb news though. What an excellent window it’s been for player acquisition and retention.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 21, 2022, 11:59:55 AM
Post by: sid1964 on January 21, 2022, 12:01:26 PM
Post by: garyellis on January 21, 2022, 12:06:46 PM
Good news, hopefully he wont make any more mistakes like last Saturday!If he keeps the same level of performance overall since he arrived I think most of us can see the bigger picture.
Another big statement from the club enjoy it.
Post by: OCD on January 21, 2022, 12:11:14 PM
Absolutely brilliant news, he’s just a fantastic fit for us.
What the hell were Arsenal playing at?
As was the case with signing Digne too, there's some great opportunism in some of our signings.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 21, 2022, 12:20:46 PM
Where is this news?https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/january/21/mart-nez-signs-contract-extension-until-2027/
Just when I thought I couldn't love him more; "The fans like me, I love them, I just wanted to go and celebrate with them. Nothing wrong with that". Brilliant news.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 21, 2022, 12:37:40 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 21, 2022, 12:40:20 PM
Fantastic news. Hopefully this sends out a message that we are not in the business of selling our best players.
Great stuff.
Apart from Jack.
Post by: nordenvillain on January 21, 2022, 12:41:39 PM
Post by: Bobby Boy on January 21, 2022, 12:44:14 PM
Fantastic news. Hopefully this sends out a message that we are not in the business of selling our best players.
Great stuff.
Apart from Jack.
Jack is the past. We're talking about the brave new world here.
Sell McGinn in the summer and I'd see where you're coming from but can't see that happening.
Post by: Smirker on January 21, 2022, 12:58:38 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 21, 2022, 01:04:51 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 21, 2022, 01:07:33 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 21, 2022, 01:12:40 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on January 21, 2022, 01:16:30 PM
Fantastic news. Hopefully this sends out a message that we are not in the business of selling our best players.
Great stuff.
Apart from Jack.
Jack is the past. We're talking about the brave new world here.
Sell McGinn in the summer and I'd see where you're coming from but can't see that happening.
Unless we want to because we have better coming in.
Post by: Scovilla on January 21, 2022, 01:31:49 PM
Did not expect that. Really happy.
It' s made my day.
Post by: Ian. on January 21, 2022, 01:38:27 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 21, 2022, 01:51:33 PM
Where is this news?https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/january/21/mart-nez-signs-contract-extension-until-2027/
Just when I thought I couldn't love him more; "The fans like me, I love them, I just wanted to go and celebrate with them. Nothing wrong with that". Brilliant news.
Loved that bit - Seems a really genuine nice guy! Bloody brilliant that he's cemented as our #1 for years to come.
Post by: dicedlam on January 21, 2022, 01:51:49 PM
Brilliant news!
Post by: Clampy on January 21, 2022, 01:56:51 PM
Post by: p_ad on January 21, 2022, 02:14:52 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 21, 2022, 02:19:24 PM
It's gret stuff, love the bloke.Where is this news?https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/january/21/mart-nez-signs-contract-extension-until-2027/
Just when I thought I couldn't love him more; "The fans like me, I love them, I just wanted to go and celebrate with them. Nothing wrong with that". Brilliant news.
Post by: LeonW on January 21, 2022, 02:21:38 PM
Post by: Smirker on January 21, 2022, 02:26:25 PM
I'll work on one and report back 8)
Post by: Rigadon on January 21, 2022, 02:29:08 PM
Great news. Just hope there isn't a release clause in there.
I have to admit that was my first, rather pessimistic, thought. But I will banish that to room 101 and enjoy the fact instead.
Post by: The Charmer on January 21, 2022, 02:47:24 PM
Just what we needed to hear when some were starting to worry about his immediate future.
His presence and all-round demeanour on the pitch make seem older than just 29.
Post by: Drummond on January 21, 2022, 04:13:33 PM
Post by: LeonW on January 21, 2022, 04:41:51 PM
Great news. Just hope there isn't a release clause in there.
I have to admit that was my first, rather pessimistic, thought. But I will banish that to room 101 and enjoy the fact instead.
Awful isn’t it. Would be absolutely gutted if Emi left. Hope he finishes his career here.
Post by: Pete3206 on January 21, 2022, 05:55:01 PM
Post by: gpbarr on January 21, 2022, 06:32:56 PM
Best news of the window to date
Post by: nigel on January 21, 2022, 06:36:50 PM
He badly needs an original chant, to show our appreciation for him.
I'll work on one and report back 8)
Nice and simple.
To the tune of ‘Go West’ Pet Shop Boys
Emi Martinez
Emi Martinez
Emi Martinez
Emi Martinez
🤷♂️
Post by: KevinGage on January 21, 2022, 06:58:05 PM
Make sure your best players are the best paid, and all that.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 21, 2022, 07:48:22 PM
I told my wife - who hates football - but saw that mistake on Saturday - and she said exactly that
It's not like wives to remember that one mistake you make. ;)
Missed it as was out earlier but this is brilliant news as for me Emi has been the most important signing since we came up. Didn't think he would look to move as he was patient at Arsenal but very welcome all the same. Also a nice and long contract, didn't expect it to be till 2027.
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 21, 2022, 07:52:08 PM
my wife doesn't remember that one mistake. Simply because I do not make mistakes.I told my wife - who hates football - but saw that mistake on Saturday - and she said exactly that
It's not like wives to remember that one mistake you make. ;)
Missed it as was out earlier but this is brilliant news as for me Emi has been the most important signing since we came up. Didn't think he would look to move as he was patient at Arsenal but very welcome all the same. Also a nice and long contract, didn't expect it to be till 2027.
She will never see this.
Post by: Goldenballs on January 21, 2022, 08:43:18 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 21, 2022, 08:56:36 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 21, 2022, 10:11:13 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 22, 2022, 07:44:02 AM
We have a world class keeper, world class midfielder, building bit by bit.
Which midfielder are you think of?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 22, 2022, 07:47:29 AM
Post by: Smirker on January 22, 2022, 08:54:33 AM
We have a world class keeper, world class midfielder, building bit by bit.
Which midfielder are you think of?
Coutinho.
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 22, 2022, 06:57:33 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on January 22, 2022, 08:41:55 PM
immense today no other to describe his performance
I was (IMO) always spoilt with Villa keepers from late 70s to late 90s with Rimmer-Spink-Bosnich never a position I ever worried much about. Thereafter I have been other than briefly when we signed the Brads (one who was past his best but still good and the other who never became near as good as he should have been)
I am now back to my youth and far less concerned about the most important position.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 22, 2022, 08:45:19 PM
Well…. The new contract is a HUGE step towards legend status.
Post by: richtheholtender on January 22, 2022, 08:47:21 PM
Way back in this thread i said he’d be the best keeper in my lifetime, on the condition he stayed long enough, basically anticipating a raid this summer.
Well…. The new contract is a HUGE step towards legend status.
Subject to release clause 😐
Post by: LukeJames on January 22, 2022, 09:17:46 PM
Way back in this thread i said he’d be the best keeper in my lifetime, on the condition he stayed long enough, basically anticipating a raid this summer.
Well…. The new contract is a HUGE step towards legend status.
Subject to release clause 😐
The blokes spent 10 years sitting on a bench, for the first time in his career he's playing every week and within the space of 18 months he's one of the worlds best GK's. There's no release clause, he's going nowhere.
Post by: adrenachrome on January 22, 2022, 10:20:10 PM
immense today no other to describe his performance
I was (IMO) always spoilt with Villa keepers from late 70s to late 90s with Rimmer-Spink-Bosnich never a position I ever worried much about. Thereafter I have been other than briefly when we signed the Brads (one who was past his best but still good and the other who never became near as good as he should have been)
I am now back to my youth and far less concerned about the most important position.
I agree with that, but I go back to Colin Withers.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 22, 2022, 11:45:02 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 23, 2022, 09:04:19 AM
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1484844580734439429/pu/vid/640x360/yxP1eXX2Ay0HJieo.mp4?tag=12 (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1484844580734439429/pu/vid/640x360/yxP1eXX2Ay0HJieo.mp4?tag=12)
Post by: Goldenballs on January 23, 2022, 09:44:31 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 23, 2022, 10:08:10 AM
Nice to see the bowl haircut making a comeback. Or is it a hat? Not sure.
That years&years fella has got a belter of one, when I was a lad it was just a few nutters from down Smith's Wood that had them.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2022, 07:47:17 PM
https://twitter.com/lydianewsteadav/status/1485283135059369993?s=21
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 28, 2022, 05:09:19 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcstatto/status/1487004937749946368?s=21
Post by: UK Redsox on January 28, 2022, 06:01:22 PM
Villa mad is our Emi
https://twitter.com/lydianewsteadav/status/1485283135059369993?s=21
Emi the First does appear to be a bit bonkers. In an endearing way, rather than a Tommy Elphick goalpost attacking way
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 28, 2022, 07:45:25 PM
https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/sports/argentinas-scaloneta-marches-on-even-without-its-lionels.phtml
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2022, 08:06:31 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 02, 2022, 01:43:08 AM
16 games, 10 clean sheet, 0 defeats.
BEST.KEEPER.IN.THE.WORLD
Post by: LeeB on February 02, 2022, 10:52:10 AM
Post by: OCD on February 02, 2022, 11:26:28 AM
Columbians must hate him
Let's hope not. It doesn't tend to end well when Columbians hate someone.
Post by: LeeB on February 02, 2022, 11:55:42 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 02, 2022, 12:35:26 PM
Columbians must hate him
Let's hope not. It doesn't tend to end well when Columbians hate someone.
Of course, chances of him scoring an own goal for them is pretty slim.
Post by: olaftab on February 05, 2022, 02:44:36 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on February 05, 2022, 02:52:23 PM
Emi was at the B6 Academy this morning. I was there with my grandson and he chatted to him and others. Apparently his son is a regular there. I have a nice photo of Emi and the little man which he will treasure forever.
Lovely stuff mate! Must have been memorable!
Post by: Mister E on February 05, 2022, 03:40:33 PM
Emi was at the B6 Academy this morning. I was there with my grandson and he chatted to him and others. Apparently his son is a regular there. I have a nice photo of Emi and the little man which he will treasure forever.What, was Buendia there too?
Post by: Dave on February 05, 2022, 05:21:21 PM
Columbians must hate him
Probably. They gave him the Copa América trophy after the match, and he danced around in the background with it while the defeated Colombians were doing their TV interviews.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RoyNemer/status/1488692130398801921
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 05, 2022, 05:48:28 PM
Emi was at the B6 Academy this morning. I was there with my grandson and he chatted to him and others. Apparently his son is a regular there. I have a nice photo of Emi and the little man which he will treasure forever.
Waaiittt a minute, never mind Emi, you're a grandfather???
Great story, must have been nice to meet the big man this morning. :)
Post by: olaftab on February 06, 2022, 11:01:55 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/3ySgWqG/0-EE2-AD1-C-BCEC-4164-85-F2-2405901-FCC33.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3ySgWqG)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 07, 2022, 12:34:05 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 07, 2022, 07:43:38 AM
Shush…. Less of the old please I started reproducing very young and he claims to be my grandson🤦🏽
(https://i.ibb.co/3ySgWqG/0-EE2-AD1-C-BCEC-4164-85-F2-2405901-FCC33.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3ySgWqG)
Applause!
And what a lovely-looking boy. Fair play to your genes, Aftab.
Post by: dave shelley on February 07, 2022, 09:10:40 AM
Post by: olaftab on February 09, 2022, 12:40:38 AM
Post by: UK Redsox on February 14, 2022, 05:24:16 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60380157
Post by: Risso on February 14, 2022, 05:25:17 PM
Emi1 and Emi2 both banned for two Argentina games
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60380157
That's a shame*
*not actually a shame
Post by: Steve67 on February 14, 2022, 06:49:46 PM
Post by: darren woolley on February 15, 2022, 09:53:33 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 26, 2022, 06:43:45 PM
His kicking and his time wasting prevention from him being world class everything else sublime.
Must be a case of anything for a clean sheet / victory.
That's all good but he does this alot if ahead and can start early and I don't like it because one day he'll be suspended and if we lose he may have been able to prevent.
I guess his take is the greater good.
Great keeper just needs to iron that and his wayward distribution and occasional forays from goal unnecessary
Post by: Drummond on February 26, 2022, 08:15:47 PM
Post by: Steve67 on February 26, 2022, 08:58:11 PM
Post by: Smithy on February 26, 2022, 09:21:10 PM
Getting booked for time wasting actually wastes even more time. It's a good ploy.
Every booking adds 30 seconds of injury time, so I'm not sure it does.
Post by: dave shelley on February 26, 2022, 10:03:16 PM
Getting booked for time wasting actually wastes even more time. It's a good ploy.
Every booking adds 30 seconds of injury time, so I'm not sure it does.
I believe it's supposed to but doesn't always seem to be the case.
Post by: Mellin on February 27, 2022, 06:19:43 AM
Then, three mins of added time. Was it going to be two without the booking? It's brilliant and I love him even more for it.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 27, 2022, 09:24:20 AM
Post by: Eckybloke on March 09, 2022, 11:59:32 AM
Post by: darren woolley on March 09, 2022, 12:18:36 PM
Post by: mrfuse on March 09, 2022, 12:42:09 PM
This guy is just the best (https://youtu.be/dQAvlzyYqYk)
Thanks for that.
Interestingly when asked who the most competitive player is at Villa it was Konsa and Buendia.
Post by: eamonn on March 09, 2022, 01:00:39 PM
Second admonishment of Foster is he, like his media pals, mispronounce Emi's surname, with the stress in the wrong place. Wish Emi had put him right.
Post by: rougegorge on March 09, 2022, 01:13:26 PM
A bit weird that a current PL player (Ben Foster) is already embracing the podcast/youtube-media career. Hope Hodgson knocks it on the head and tells him to behave himself. Plenty of time for that, sunshine.Yes that's a real bugbear of mine as well. Why can't they get 'Mar-teen-ez' correct? It really isn't difficult. That's why it is written Martínez; nobody gets Benítez wrong and it's the same thing with the accent on the 'i'.
Second admonishment of Foster is he, like his media pals, mispronounce Emi's surname, with the stress in the wrong place. Wish Emi had put him right.
Worst of all are Wolves fans who can't get Raúl Jiménez right.
Post by: CT Villan on March 09, 2022, 02:29:27 PM
Yes that's a real bugbear of mine as well. Why can't they get 'Mar-teen-ez' correct? It really isn't difficult. That's why it is written Martínez; nobody gets Benítez wrong and it's the same thing with the accent on the 'i'.
For what it's worth, my natively Spanish-speaking wife regularly compliments the pronunciation when she hears Martinez on tv. She complains when anybody says Mar-teen-ez.
Post by: eamonn on March 09, 2022, 02:45:05 PM
Post by: rougegorge on March 09, 2022, 03:02:18 PM
A mate I play music and football (and a goalie too!) with is Argentinian and he says Mar-teen-eth.Yes I agree. My wife is Spanish and her ancestors were also Martínez, with the emphasis on the second syllable. Second syllable for Benítez, Jiménez as well as Hernández, Fernández etc...
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 09, 2022, 03:21:41 PM
A bit weird that a current PL player (Ben Foster) is already embracing the podcast/youtube-media career. Hope Hodgson knocks it on the head and tells him to behave himself. Plenty of time for that, sunshine.
Second admonishment of Foster is he, like his media pals, mispronounce Emi's surname, with the stress in the wrong place. Wish Emi had put him right.
You miserable git!
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 09, 2022, 03:23:40 PM
Post by: Drummond on March 09, 2022, 03:43:45 PM
They're too cool to do the lisping thing here in Mexico.
Aircon works then.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 09, 2022, 03:45:50 PM
They're too cool to do the lisping thing here in Mexico.
Aircon works then.
They're all just high on their own thupply.
Post by: Dave on March 09, 2022, 03:52:43 PM
A mate I play music and football (and a goalie too!) with is Argentinian and he says Mar-teen-eth.Yes I agree. My wife is Spanish and her ancestors were also Martínez, with the emphasis on the second syllable. Second syllable for Benítez, Jiménez as well as Hernández, Fernández etc...
Gustavo Poyet was an interesting one back in the day - convention meant that for English commentators he was always "Poy-ay", but in Uruguayan Spanish he was "Pojh-ette".
I think anyway. I'm not Uruguayan, nor do I speak Spanish.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 09, 2022, 04:04:38 PM
Yes that's a real bugbear of mine as well. Why can't they get 'Mar-teen-ez' correct? It really isn't difficult. That's why it is written Martínez; nobody gets Benítez wrong and it's the same thing with the accent on the 'i'.
For what it's worth, my natively Spanish-speaking wife regularly compliments the pronunciation when she hears Martinez on tv. She complains when anybody says Mar-teen-ez.
Have you tried telling her she's wrong?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 09, 2022, 04:07:52 PM
A mate I play music and football (and a goalie too!) with is Argentinian and he says Mar-teen-eth.
Argentinians speak a bastardised version of Spanish at the best of times e.g. Vos? ::)
Post by: Moonraker on March 09, 2022, 04:29:22 PM
Post by: Eckybloke on March 09, 2022, 04:37:47 PM
A bit weird that a current PL player (Ben Foster) is already embracing the podcast/youtube-media career. Hope Hodgson knocks it on the head and tells him to behave himself. Plenty of time for that, sunshine.
Second admonishment of Foster is he, like his media pals, mispronounce Emi's surname, with the stress in the wrong place. Wish Emi had put him right.
I think his Fozcast ones are pretty good, I prefer them to Peter Crouch’s. The goalkeeper-techy one with Neil Cutler and Boaz Myhill was very good.
Post by: eamonn on March 09, 2022, 04:47:14 PM
Post by: CT Villan on March 09, 2022, 07:05:54 PM
Yes that's a real bugbear of mine as well. Why can't they get 'Mar-teen-ez' correct? It really isn't difficult. That's why it is written Martínez; nobody gets Benítez wrong and it's the same thing with the accent on the 'i'.
For what it's worth, my natively Spanish-speaking wife regularly compliments the pronunciation when she hears Martinez on tv. She complains when anybody says Mar-teen-ez.
Have you tried telling her she's wrong?
Wind up a Latina...yeah, I've done that before, never again.
Maybe it's a regional thing, she's from PR and they pronounce 'll' weird too !
Post by: CT Villan on March 10, 2022, 02:00:44 AM
I must have misheard her because she was mortified and assured me that it is indeed Mar-teen-ez like you guys were saying...mi culpa !
Post by: Risso on March 10, 2022, 09:49:43 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 10, 2022, 10:08:59 PM
We had more goals than Leeds had attempts ;D ;D ;D
Post by: LukeJames on March 10, 2022, 10:11:04 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 10, 2022, 11:36:22 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 10, 2022, 11:38:37 PM
I love him. I can't believe he couldn't get a game at Arsenal.
Him and, on evidence so far, Chambers. Thanks Arsenal.
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 10, 2022, 11:50:31 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 11, 2022, 12:24:01 AM
Absolute rubbish today, didn't make one save.
I think Gerrard was telling him that when he ran up to celebrate Chambers goal. Gerrard stopped him and told him to buck up.
Post by: Goldie.7 on March 11, 2022, 11:32:15 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on March 12, 2022, 02:45:12 AM
Absolute rubbish today, didn't make one save.
Appreciate your not slagging him, but he took everything with a safe catch in the box on Thursday.
His only weakness which a few players have caught on is the ball across his body into the corner of the net particularly to his right side.
Post by: LeeB on March 12, 2022, 10:38:10 AM
Absolute rubbish today, didn't make one save.
Appreciate your not slagging him, but he took everything with a safe catch in the box on Thursday.
His only weakness which a few players have caught on is the ball across his body into the corner of the net particularly to his right side.
In fairness, that's every keepers weak spot.
Post by: darren woolley on March 12, 2022, 09:36:34 PM
Post by: Risso on April 01, 2022, 11:09:05 AM
Oh FFS. the one player you don't want getting crocked. Our shit luck :(
Post by: LukeJames on April 01, 2022, 11:09:54 AM
Post by: Risso on April 01, 2022, 11:11:00 AM
Post by: OCD on April 01, 2022, 11:42:46 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 01, 2022, 12:03:00 PM
Poor joke.
Agreed, not great at all in a tempting fate sort of way. If he really wanted to do an 'April Fool' (which are pretty tedious at the best of times) then maybe announce he's "retiring from International football" or something like that.
Post by: Bad English on April 01, 2022, 12:08:05 PM
It's dated last night though.Maybe he lives in Sandwell. That is in a different time zone, is it not?
Post by: LukeJames on April 01, 2022, 12:11:03 PM
Poor joke.
Agreed, not great at all in a tempting fate sort of way. If he really wanted to do an 'April Fool' (which are pretty tedious at the best of times) then maybe announce he's "retiring from International football" or something like that.
Its a photoshop mate, not from Emi.
Post by: Risso on April 01, 2022, 12:15:02 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 01, 2022, 12:15:15 PM
Poor joke.
Agreed, not great at all in a tempting fate sort of way. If he really wanted to do an 'April Fool' (which are pretty tedious at the best of times) then maybe announce he's "retiring from International football" or something like that.
Its a photoshop mate, not from Emi.
Thanks for clearing that up, thought it was an 'April Fool' by Emi. Did seem to be out of character for him to post nonsense like that.
Post by: dave shelley on April 01, 2022, 01:23:11 PM
It's dated last night though.Maybe he lives in Sandwell. That is in a different time zone, is it not?
No. A different planet. ;)
Post by: Ad@m on April 01, 2022, 03:38:56 PM
It's dated last night though.Maybe he lives in Sandwell. That is in a different time zone, is it not?
The land where tweets get sent by 'oss n cart.
Post by: LeeB on April 01, 2022, 04:26:21 PM
Maybe he lives in Sandwell. That is in a different time zone, is it not?
The land where tweets get sent by 'oss n cart.
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Ha, I swear I read this after posting in the pre-match thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 30, 2022, 10:09:47 AM
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Post by: Footy-Vill on May 10, 2022, 02:07:56 PM
I noticed in matches v Man City and Man Utd and Arsenal at home where we packed the defensive area we conceded to long range goals which could have even been saved as Emi was unsighted. Dias and Fernandes.and Saka . Have a look at them .
If we haven't learnt then we could be conceding again like this v Liverpool due to their quality in strikes and how our players are positioning themselves when defending
With this problem I've highlighted and with many players behind the ball this causes problems again in goalkeepers vision. The other issue of course is the space the dm and defence occupy without the ball.
Emi Martinez though still perhaps should have done better with them and have the players been made aware so it doesn't happen again today
Post by: Drummond on May 10, 2022, 02:11:54 PM
Post by: LeeB on May 10, 2022, 02:17:19 PM
Am observation I like to put forward in something that happening.
I noticed in matches v Man City and Man Utd and Arsenal at home where we packed the defensive area we conceded to long range goals which could have even been saved as Emi was unsighted. Dias and Fernandes.and Saka . Have a look at them .
If we haven't learnt then we could be conceding again like this v Liverpool due to their quality in strikes and how our players are positioning themselves when defending
With this problem I've highlighted and with many players behind the ball this causes problems again in goalkeepers vision. The other issue of course is the space the dm and defence occupy without the ball.
Emi Martinez though still perhaps should have done better with them and have the players been made aware so it doesn't happen again today
It's a good point to be fair, Brian Clough cottoned onto something similar back in the day (it was probably Peter Taylor given he was a keeper but still).
Clough made a point of leaving players up the pitch, which meant oppo defenders had to stay with them, so the area was less cluttered and Shilton had an easier task to come and collect the cross.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 10, 2022, 04:24:35 PM
What's the remedy you suggest? Bigger gloves?
Defensive shield . Players knowing where they need to be.
And Moss living up to his reputation of a third of his matches he officiate the home team wins
Moss hasn't sent off a home player yet but Martinez be warned as Jimenez at wolves sent off for two yellow cards in less than a minute. Wouldn't put past Moss who has temerity to double down on any time wasting our keeper does despite the JM record for home teams winning.
Last thing I want my fears of Martinez antics coming home to roost by needless sending off by Moss.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 10, 2022, 04:30:43 PM
Am observation I like to put forward in something that happening.
I noticed in matches v Man City and Man Utd and Arsenal at home where we packed the defensive area we conceded to long range goals which could have even been saved as Emi was unsighted. Dias and Fernandes.and Saka . Have a look at them .
If we haven't learnt then we could be conceding again like this v Liverpool due to their quality in strikes and how our players are positioning themselves when defending
With this problem I've highlighted and with many players behind the ball this causes problems again in goalkeepers vision. The other issue of course is the space the dm and defence occupy without the ball.
Emi Martinez though still perhaps should have done better with them and have the players been made aware so it doesn't happen again today
It's a good point to be fair, Brian Clough cottoned onto something similar back in the day (it was probably Peter Taylor given he was a keeper but still).
Clough made a point of leaving players up the pitch, which meant oppo defenders had to stay with them, so the area was less cluttered and Shilton had an easier task to come and collect the cross.
And that Clough chap was one of the best England managers if history has said. I know Smith didn't mind the whole restricted to long shots thing , sometimes as a focus for a positive.
Now under Gerrard just something that seems to happen and surprised when Martinez has not managed to save them really. This has to be something both Villa and Liverpool would have looked at.
Of course on the other side of things leaving players higher up against the high line gives us good chance on counter attacks from their corners so Emi has to be good with distribution I'd also advise him to get it down the field quickly and directly sometimes rather than a play out from the back what with Liverpool pressing front 3
Don't want to get caught out there either.
Post by: Mister E on May 10, 2022, 05:30:57 PM
This is a bugbear of mine and I've long argued for leaving 2 or 3 players upfield to give the keeper more sight of the ball. It seems bleedin' obvious to me but the professionals don't seem to see it.Am observation I like to put forward in something that happening.It's a good point to be fair, Brian Clough cottoned onto something similar back in the day (it was probably Peter Taylor given he was a keeper but still).
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Emi Martinez though still perhaps should have done better with them and have the players been made aware so it doesn't happen again today
Clough made a point of leaving players up the pitch, which meant oppo defenders had to stay with them, so the area was less cluttered and Shilton had an easier task to come and collect the cross.
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 10, 2022, 06:22:35 PM
This is a bugbear of mine and I've long argued for leaving 2 or 3 players upfield to give the keeper more sight of the ball. It seems bleedin' obvious to me but the professionals don't seem to see it.Am observation I like to put forward in something that happening.It's a good point to be fair, Brian Clough cottoned onto something similar back in the day (it was probably Peter Taylor given he was a keeper but still).
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Emi Martinez though still perhaps should have done better with them and have the players been made aware so it doesn't happen again today
Clough made a point of leaving players up the pitch, which meant oppo defenders had to stay with them, so the area was less cluttered and Shilton had an easier task to come and collect the cross.
I think a lot is down to zonal marking
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 18, 2022, 04:52:52 PM
Post by: Hillbilly on May 19, 2022, 07:05:17 AM
My guess is that there's no advantage in it because an opponent always steps in to block a quick release by the goalie.This is a bugbear of mine and I've long argued for leaving 2 or 3 players upfield to give the keeper more sight of the ball. It seems bleedin' obvious to me but the professionals don't seem to see it.Am observation I like to put forward in something that happening.It's a good point to be fair, Brian Clough cottoned onto something similar back in the day (it was probably Peter Taylor given he was a keeper but still).
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Emi Martinez though still perhaps should have done better with them and have the players been made aware so it doesn't happen again today
Clough made a point of leaving players up the pitch, which meant oppo defenders had to stay with them, so the area was less cluttered and Shilton had an easier task to come and collect the cross.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 22, 2022, 02:59:51 PM
I won't mind so much today as he'll no doubt be on for that.
Post by: Chris Smith on May 22, 2022, 03:03:04 PM
Permission to time waste today Emi!
I won't mind so much today as he'll no doubt be on for that.
He’s not playing.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 22, 2022, 03:03:27 PM
Oh really?Permission to time waste today Emi!
I won't mind so much today as he'll no doubt be on for that.
He’s not playing.
Post by: Deano's Mullet on May 22, 2022, 03:04:27 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 03:06:13 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 22, 2022, 03:34:00 PM
Post by: paul_e on May 22, 2022, 03:38:36 PM
Gerrard has said was out of his hands and that Martinez has a knee injury.
There were rumours of a knee injury in the week before the Burnley game so that seems fair, probably tried to get through the season with it but didn't feel right.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 22, 2022, 03:40:09 PM
Ok well would have preferred him saved for this one.Gerrard has said was out of his hands and that Martinez has a knee injury.
There were rumours of a knee injury in the week before the Burnley game so that seems fair, probably tried to get through the season with it but didn't feel right.
He's travelled up to the game today and there maybe late fitness tests after he didn't complete training Friday said Stevie on Sky Sports
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 08, 2022, 12:54:18 PM
Gerrard is an advocate for experience and players to be winners and leaders
Under Dean Smith on Captains, I proposed that Jack Grealish be appointed captain. Now, I recommend Emi Martinez in place of Mings. Ahead of McGinn. Emi is the player who ticks all those boxes in what SG is looking for. Although Ashley Young of course makes sense as a club captain, Martinez is the fit for long-term captain because he is literally the first name on the team sheet and a first-team regular.
Further evidence to support the case and that Gerrard would find noteworthy.
Martinez professionalism off the field.
And a highly competitive nature on it.
His high level of consistency and that he demonstrates that in our matches with what I call a win at all costs attitude, as well as his winning mentality with Argentina in the Copa America.
I'm more than fine with Mings continuing, but the very fact Gerrard is having competition for places and theres a challenge at centre back to be in the team as well as the consistency factor, then perhaps Mings needs to step aside.
A Captain is expected to play with regularlity right?
Besides as much as it may take some of Mings' responsibility away, there may be a benefit to TM focusing on his performance, given his natural tendency to be vocal and oversee and things both in defence and generally outfield he just not be the captain.
To summarise my case, based on Gerrard's criteria, Emi Martinez should be named long-term captain of our football club pending the transfer of an super obvious candidate.
Up the Villa.
Post by: Pete3206 on July 08, 2022, 12:59:50 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 08, 2022, 01:01:44 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 08, 2022, 01:05:44 PM
Martinez is a proven winner, among other highly desirable qualities.
Players outfield can step to and be vocal and challenge decisions and do so regardless of captaincy, can't they?
Post by: Drummond on July 08, 2022, 01:50:25 PM
Mings is a leader but I'm not sure he'll play enough. Digne is a possibility, Coutinho would be another choice, or perhaps Ramsey will be asked.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 08, 2022, 01:56:48 PM
Post by: LeeB on July 08, 2022, 02:01:38 PM
Has there been any suggeston that we are changing captain? So long as Mings is playing, he should be captain, IMO. He's inspirational, and annoys exactly the right sort of people, off the pitch, too. Top bloke.
He turned it into an artform away at Leeds
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 08, 2022, 02:05:36 PM
Post by: AV82EC on July 08, 2022, 02:05:38 PM
Has there been any suggeston that we are changing captain? So long as Mings is playing, he should be captain, IMO. He's inspirational, and annoys exactly the right sort of people, off the pitch, too. Top bloke.
He turned it into an artform away at Leeds
Watching those twats in that stand getting all irate and “hold me back” when he went and applauded them was just about the funniest moment of the season.
Post by: LeeB on July 08, 2022, 02:12:46 PM
Has there been any suggeston that we are changing captain? So long as Mings is playing, he should be captain, IMO. He's inspirational, and annoys exactly the right sort of people, off the pitch, too. Top bloke.
He turned it into an artform away at Leeds
Watching those twats in that stand getting all irate and “hold me back” when he went and applauded them was just about the funniest moment of the season.
It was the cherry on the icing of a very fine cake, we were pissing ourselves.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 08, 2022, 02:25:09 PM
Absolutely brilliant.Has there been any suggeston that we are changing captain? So long as Mings is playing, he should be captain, IMO. He's inspirational, and annoys exactly the right sort of people, off the pitch, too. Top bloke.
He turned it into an artform away at Leeds
Watching those twats in that stand getting all irate and “hold me back” when he went and applauded them was just about the funniest moment of the season.
It was the cherry on the icing of a very fine cake, we were pissing ourselves.
Taking the piss out of a bunch of enormous twats....but with real class!
A wonderful moment. Thank you Tyrone.
Post by: Mellin on July 29, 2022, 11:27:19 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 30, 2022, 10:57:24 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 30, 2022, 01:52:47 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 03, 2022, 01:32:06 PM
Overall, I see Martinez as the captain, which I have advocated for.
According to Gerrard, being captain does not guarantee inclusion in the team, and McGinn will have to meet the required consistent standards to improve his play and will be suspended, subbed, rotated, and injured over the course of the season.
Post by: Drummond on August 03, 2022, 01:33:56 PM
Martinez's professionalism and winning attitude make him the captain in my eyes at times this coming season
Overall, I see Martinez as the captain, which I have advocated for.
According to Gerrard, being captain does not guarantee inclusion in the team, and McGinn will have to meet the required consistent standards to improve his play and will be suspended, subbed, rotated, and injured over the course of the season.
He's vice-captain.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 03, 2022, 01:35:26 PM
Martinez's professionalism and winning attitude make him the captain in my eyes at times this coming season
Overall, I see Martinez as the captain, which I have advocated for.
According to Gerrard, being captain does not guarantee inclusion in the team, and McGinn will have to meet the required consistent standards to improve his play and will be suspended, subbed, rotated, and injured over the course of the season.
He's vice-captain.
Exactly. And he'll be a more consistent performer than McGinn or Mings.
He could also be a world cup winner.
If we're not careful we lose him so I think he should really be given the honour ahead of the rest. He has to be the best player along with Coutinho in the squad.
Post by: Dogtanian on August 03, 2022, 02:54:07 PM
Exactly. And he'll be a more consistent performer than McGinn or Mings.
He could also be a world cup winner.
If we're not careful we lose him so I think he should really be given the honour ahead of the rest. He has to be the best player along with Coutinho in the squad.
Gerrard might prefer an outfield captain too.
Post by: Risso on August 03, 2022, 03:12:25 PM
Post by: Mister E on August 03, 2022, 04:29:17 PM
Post by: OCD on August 03, 2022, 04:35:43 PM
Post by: Mister E on August 03, 2022, 05:26:16 PM
Didn't seem to be a problem for Kasper Schmeichel.Wasn't it?
Post by: OCD on August 03, 2022, 05:31:30 PM
Post by: usav on August 03, 2022, 06:39:01 PM
He still found time to have a go at refs and argue with them.
Could never shake the ManUre stink off him.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 03, 2022, 06:41:53 PM
Martinez's professionalism and winning attitude make him the captain in my eyes at times this coming season
Overall, I see Martinez as the captain, which I have advocated for.
According to Gerrard, being captain does not guarantee inclusion in the team, and McGinn will have to meet the required consistent standards to improve his play and will be suspended, subbed, rotated, and injured over the course of the season.
He's vice-captain.
Exactly. And he'll be a more consistent performer than McGinn or Mings.
He could also be a world cup winner.
If we're not careful we lose him so I think he should really be given the honour ahead of the rest. He has to be the best player along with Coutinho in the squad.
Why do we need to be careful about losing him? Frankly, you are losing me.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 31, 2022, 07:25:37 PM
And hopefully he improves his kicking and doenst get booked for time wasting
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 01, 2022, 02:23:47 PM
Players seem a bit on edge and pressure on them from the coach doesn't help the confidence and Emi Martinez is one of the most confident.
Post by: Flin5tone on September 01, 2022, 02:35:47 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2022, 02:38:53 PM
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2022, 02:43:18 PM
Post by: Edvard Remberg on September 01, 2022, 02:57:58 PM
He needs to be dropped . Been poor lately and lots of shots should have held on toAnd here I thought you were doing well riding under the waves
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 02, 2022, 12:30:05 PM
I echo JT's response. https://twitter.com/JohnTerry26/status/1565601469788819457
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 02, 2022, 12:52:07 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 02, 2022, 12:52:28 PM
He needs to be dropped . Been poor lately and lots of shots should have held on to
Yawn.
Post by: rob_bridge on September 02, 2022, 12:58:19 PM
He needs to be dropped . Been poor lately and lots of shots should have held on to
Twaddle
Post by: gpbarr on September 02, 2022, 01:01:52 PM
Post by: Risso on September 04, 2022, 12:01:50 PM
Post by: Clampy on September 04, 2022, 12:05:31 PM
Top shithousing from Emi yesterday. Just after we'd scored, possibly recognising that we tend to fall apart shortly after such moments, he went down 'injured' for a couple of minutes, which took the sting out of Man City at the time.
I was thinking the other day we should do something like that after we score so I'm really pleased they tried it. We seem to be learning.
Post by: PeterWithe on September 04, 2022, 12:07:00 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 04, 2022, 12:11:17 PM
Whilst he has some complicity in last 3 goals we have conceded that was total pro job. I think SG should hand Emi the team captain's band and take the John McGinn monkey off his shoulders.Top shithousing from Emi yesterday. Just after we'd scored, possibly recognising that we tend to fall apart shortly after such moments, he went down 'injured' for a couple of minutes, which took the sting out of Man City at the time.
I was thinking the other day we should do something like that after we score so I'm really pleased they tried it. We seem to be learning.
Post by: nigel on September 04, 2022, 12:24:31 PM
Anyone else think he could have done better for their goal? He saw the run of KDB clearly and was well set but didnt seem to move his feet fast enough to allow for the flight of the ball.
That cross was pin point accurate.
I don’t think there was much he could have done bar being out of position.
KDB would have just stuck it near post for whoever was there. Then we’d have been having a ‘why wasn’t he covering near post’ debate 😂
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 04, 2022, 12:27:37 PM
Post by: Risso on September 04, 2022, 12:28:26 PM
Anyone else think he could have done better for their goal? He saw the run of KDB clearly and was well set but didnt seem to move his feet fast enough to allow for the flight of the ball.
That cross was pin point accurate.
I don’t think there was much he could have done bar being out of position.
KDB would have just stuck it near post for whoever was there. Then we’d have been having a ‘why wasn’t he covering near post’ debate 😂
I agree Nigel, I've rewatched the highlights, and sometimes ypu just have to put a goal down to very good play from the opposition. There weren't any glaring mistakes from any individuals, it was just an excellent goal from some of the best players in the country. Very different from the goals Arsenal scored, where there were multiple mistakes and examples of sloppy play.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 09, 2022, 08:27:36 PM
Nice to see our players out together doing fairly mundane stuff and being approachable.
Post by: Ads on October 09, 2022, 08:29:08 PM
Seems Emi and the rest of our fit South American contingent were out living it up on the eve of the game. https://twitter.com/mo_avfc74/status/1578707146509647872
Nice to see our players out together doing fairly mundane stuff and being approachable.
Ad@m is younger than I imagined.
Post by: Risso on October 09, 2022, 08:30:10 PM
Seems Emi and the rest of our fit South American contingent were out living it up on the eve of the game. https://twitter.com/mo_avfc74/status/1578707146509647872
Nice to see our players out together doing fairly mundane stuff and being approachable.
Jose?!
Post by: Drummond on October 09, 2022, 11:10:33 PM
Post by: Drummond on October 10, 2022, 04:10:55 PM
Our goalie's from Argentina
Emiliano Martinez,
He plays every game, he makes saves for fun,
He kept a clean sheet,
He's Villa's number one
Post by: eamonn on October 10, 2022, 05:07:21 PM
Seems Emi and the rest of our fit South American contingent were out living it up on the eve of the game. https://twitter.com/mo_avfc74/status/1578707146509647872
Nice to see our players out together doing fairly mundane stuff and being approachable.
Jose?!
Yeah! What the hell...? Hopefully he's on the way to B6 and bringing Tammy with him.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 10, 2022, 05:29:50 PM
Buendia the only one with a strike and leading too....
They only let him play the last ten minutes too.
Post by: Risso on October 10, 2022, 06:25:16 PM
Post by: Beard82 on October 10, 2022, 06:35:36 PM
Bet dougie only confirmed last minute cos he was waiting for a better offerBuendia the only one with a strike and leading too....
They only let him play the last ten minutes too.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 10, 2022, 07:18:30 PM
Bet dougie only confirmed last minute cos he was waiting for a better offer
Wouldn't you if you were dating Ms. Lehmann?
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 25, 2022, 04:16:46 PM
Martinez I wouldn't swap for any keeper in the Prem, in my opinion, should be captain instead of McGinn and only Mings or Young are of his standing to lead our team.
There's a good chance he'll be back in January as a World Cup winner and as much as I admire him, I believe he won't be suited to passing out from the back for Unai Emery style of play and he may be replaced in the summer due because of how the manager system of play.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 25, 2022, 04:39:02 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 25, 2022, 04:42:21 PM
Post by: OCD on October 25, 2022, 04:55:40 PM
Post by: Drummond on October 25, 2022, 05:00:59 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 28, 2022, 03:26:21 PM
It certainly was. He's capable of it all.
The one ball he played was fantastic.
Further to Risso comments and also having seen the above.
It's a duty to me to raise the concern and that Emery would no doubt identify a weakness from Martinez who is an excellent goal keeper but has a clear weakness in his ability and efficiency in passing the ball. It's lacking for top level and how we will be playing under Emery
Firstly in agreement:
Martinez's play with the ball against Brentford was excellent, but it was the exception.
But to play out from the back and those who suggest he can pass a ball and kick well. And have made outlandish comments I debate this strongly and put it he will be needed to improve that area as he generally and quality and super keeper in other aspects
Are you putting Martinez on par with Barcelona's Ter Stegen and German great Manuel Nauer?
How about the class of Brazil? He is nowhere near the accuracy or distribution level of Ederson or Alison. These are the Man City and Liverpool goalkeepers.
My opinion is that even the English international goalkeepers are superior to EM because he lacks Ramsdale or Pickford's distance or overall accuracy.
Or even set up attacks using throws like England squad goalkeeper Dean Henderson, who he is adept at passing the ball though mixed he gets the ball out far quicker for forest.
Martinez's play with the ball against Brentford was excellent, but it was the exception.
Martinez's sloppy and generally one dimensional passing from goal kicks, and his hurried or poor passing to the defenders are my main concerns. And will be Emerys.
I've seen both Brazilian keepers distribution numerous times, and they have made an odd error but Martinez has his work cut out in getting the ball out to Mings and the other defenders as for me I don't find his passing range both long and short as good as the rest of his amazing goal keeping abilities.
A goalkeeper must be skilled with his feet, so a new goalkeeping coach will either concentrate on helping the player learn and adjust or we will bring someone who can so we can play out from the back.
Post by: chrisw1 on October 28, 2022, 03:33:45 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 28, 2022, 04:58:54 PM
I think Martinez is more than good enough with his feet and also has an excellent throw. We just haven't used him much this way over the last couple of years As with all players there may be a period of adjustment to Emery's methods and tactics, but I'm pretty confident as one of the best keepers in the world Emi will work through it ok.Well I do hope so and root for his improvement and adaptation. Martinez is one of my favourite people
Amazing guy. And I think he has a very high chance of winning the World Cup so we need to enjoy him while we can.
Should be playing higher level.
Let's hope Emery brings the cups in this season.
Not impossible!
Post by: Goldenballs on October 28, 2022, 06:01:08 PM
Post by: Risso on October 28, 2022, 06:23:39 PM
Whenever I've seen Alisson try and play out from the back he looks fucking shite. Under any pressure he panics and gets in a tangle or lumps it out.
The Chelsea keeper at Leeds tried something flash as well and presented Leeds with a tap in.
Post by: eamonn on October 28, 2022, 06:31:13 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 28, 2022, 06:49:49 PM
Whenever I've seen Alisson try and play out from the back he looks fucking shite. Under any pressure he panics and gets in a tangle or lumps it out.
The Chelsea keeper at Leeds tried something flash as well and presented Leeds with a tap in.
They never seem to do that against us, quite the opposite
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 28, 2022, 09:22:42 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 29, 2022, 06:09:14 PM
An ex striker now pundit Kris Boyd who was on sky sports
"I’m no medical expert but I can see from here that it was serious. It was in the side of the head, a knee full force from Tyrone Mings, you could tell Martinez was struggling. Why the medical staff don’t put their foot down and take him off this field is an absolute disgrace.”
Post by: Flamingo Lane on October 29, 2022, 06:14:58 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 29, 2022, 06:18:06 PM
Post by: Nev on October 29, 2022, 06:19:19 PM
Boyd may have been right on this issue, but that still doesn't mean that he wasn't a twat throughout his stint on Sky today. As an ex-Rangers player he is obviously bitter that we took Gerrard from Rangers, and now he's bitter that we have sacked him.
Boyd is a everything you would expect from someone who played for them. Why on earth he's considered as a "pundit" is beyond me
Post by: Baldy on October 29, 2022, 06:25:19 PM
This season, Martinez has taken over the mantle in 'time wasting' and is an embarrassment to our great club. A great shot stopper but pathetic and slow with his distribution.
If Emery wants to play from the back and at a higher tempo, Martinez is in for the chop unless his footwork and speed of thought improve dramatically.
He is excused for today because he had a saw head. >:(
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 29, 2022, 06:41:26 PM
Good luck to him at the world cup as he'll be doing it there with Argentina march to the final.
I also hope he is fine with the head injury
I do really like him as a person and his winning attitude generally.
He does have a low standard with the ball at his feet and kicking and distribution.
Meet and a new goalkeeping coach will see that for sure.
Be interesting to see what happens with him under the new management playing identity and that Emery never fancied him at Arsenal
Post by: dave shelley on October 29, 2022, 06:51:56 PM
For the last two seasons, coming towards the weekend, I wondered how many times we would see Richarlison (now Spuds) rolling around on his arse time wasting.
This season, Martinez has taken over the mantle in 'time wasting' and is an embarrassment to our great club. A great shot stopper but pathetic and slow with his distribution.
If Emery wants to play from the back and at a higher tempo, Martinez is in for the chop unless his footwork and speed of thought improve dramatically.
He is excused for today because he had a saw head. >:(
He does have a tenon-dcy to be a bit disjointed at times.
Post by: Risso on October 29, 2022, 07:17:29 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 29, 2022, 07:18:52 PM
For the last two seasons, coming towards the weekend, I wondered how many times we would see Richarlison (now Spuds) rolling around on his arse time wasting.
This season, Martinez has taken over the mantle in 'time wasting' and is an embarrassment to our great club. A great shot stopper but pathetic and slow with his distribution.
If Emery wants to play from the back and at a higher tempo, Martinez is in for the chop unless his footwork and speed of thought improve dramatically.
He is excused for today because he had a saw head. >:(
He does have a tenon-dcy to be a bit disjointed at times.
The disjointedness dovetails with the over-the-top shithousery
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 29, 2022, 07:19:13 PM
Before the accidental clash with Mings he was wasting time. I’ve paid good money to see a game of football, not time wasting to try to get to half time still at 0-0.
*wink*
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 29, 2022, 07:20:26 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 29, 2022, 07:22:15 PM
Unfortunately he had to retire on medical grounds both in matches and now his career.
Post by: Baldy on October 29, 2022, 07:39:08 PM
Most of the time he does it is to kill the oppponent's momentum for a minute. And it often works. Him and Young are the only players we seem to have that are smart enough to do it.
But what about our momentum? He slows down play far too often, lets opponents get back into position, wastes counter attacking opportunities.
I can understand it if we are leading by a goal with ten minutes to go but not from the first minute.
Infuriating. >:(
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 29, 2022, 07:44:31 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 29, 2022, 07:47:42 PM
For the last two seasons, coming towards the weekend, I wondered how many times we would see Richarlison (now Spuds) rolling around on his arse time wasting.
This season, Martinez has taken over the mantle in 'time wasting' and is an embarrassment to our great club. A great shot stopper but pathetic and slow with his distribution.
If Emery wants to play from the back and at a higher tempo, Martinez is in for the chop unless his footwork and speed of thought improve dramatically.
He is excused for today because he had a saw head. >:(
I think his distribution is impacted by the lack of movement in front of him. If you look back at his first season with us, his distribution was often very good as a lot of the time he had Grealish to find and set off attacks that way.
Of the all the issues we have playing wise, i think Martinez is one of the least problematic. A very good Argentina teams number one and in my opinion, still the best keeper we’ve had since Bosnich.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 29, 2022, 07:52:35 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 29, 2022, 08:09:43 PM
Ridiculous that he stayed on as long as he did today. It’s actively dangerous and football needs to be much better at it.
Problem is a player will always want to stay on if they feel a bit groggy. It's different to a broken bone or pulling a muscle where you know you have little chance of being competitive in the game.
Of course with concussion you get after effects 5-10 minutes later and appears this happens.
Perhaps concussion sub needs to go a bit further and you could be allowed to say put him back on again at half time. However only after he's had proper tests in dressing room/medical area to deem it safe to do so.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 29, 2022, 08:23:26 PM
Post by: Baldy on October 29, 2022, 09:08:20 PM
I bet he knows how to quote as well :P
Who, me :D
Post by: Risso on October 29, 2022, 09:30:14 PM
Before the accidental clash with Mings he was wasting time. I’ve paid good money to see a game of football, not time wasting to try to get to half time still at 0-0.
*wink*
I'm not with you. Match tickets and rip off train tickets meant today was not a cheap day out.
Post by: AGRIPPA on October 31, 2022, 04:18:23 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 31, 2022, 04:33:08 PM
Before the accidental clash with Mings he was wasting time. I’ve paid good money to see a game of football, not time wasting to try to get to half time still at 0-0.
*wink*
I'm not with you. Match tickets and rip off train tickets meant today was not a cheap day out.
Joke - I didn't know you'd been up there, I'd assumed you watched it on a stream (in as much as one can watch a PADL stream these days).
Post by: Risso on October 31, 2022, 04:36:06 PM
Before the accidental clash with Mings he was wasting time. I’ve paid good money to see a game of football, not time wasting to try to get to half time still at 0-0.
*wink*
I'm not with you. Match tickets and rip off train tickets meant today was not a cheap day out.
Joke - I didn't know you'd been up there, I'd assumed you watched it on a stream (in as much as one can watch a PADL stream these days).
Ah fair enough. I'll have you know though that I also pay for my streams, which always seems like such good value as I watch a goal go in (against us) two minutes after PWS has announced it.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 31, 2022, 08:42:11 PM
Before the accidental clash with Mings he was wasting time. I’ve paid good money to see a game of football, not time wasting to try to get to half time still at 0-0.
*wink*
I'm not with you. Match tickets and rip off train tickets meant today was not a cheap day out.
Joke - I didn't know you'd been up there, I'd assumed you watched it on a stream (in as much as one can watch a PADL stream these days).
Ah fair enough. I'll have you know though that I also pay for my streams, which always seems like such good value as I watch a goal go in (against us) two minutes after PWS has announced it.
Ha ha yeah
*shakes fist at sky*
Post by: eamonn on November 01, 2022, 01:04:23 AM
Most of the time he does it is to kill the oppponent's momentum for a minute. And it often works. Him and Young are the only players we seem to have that are smart enough to do it.
He was doing it when we were 4-0 up against Brentford. I felt bad for poor Cam Archer trying to make an impression in the 10 minutes he's been given but his goalie is taking forever from each restart. Looked really small-time.
I saw Martínez's tweet after the game and I think the first thing he saluted was the clean sheet, so I guess that's his main concern.
Post by: Drummond on November 01, 2022, 10:35:01 AM
Most of the time he does it is to kill the oppponent's momentum for a minute. And it often works. Him and Young are the only players we seem to have that are smart enough to do it.
He was doing it when we were 4-0 up against Brentford. I felt bad for poor Cam Archer trying to make an impression in the 10 minutes he's been given but his goalie is taking forever from each restart. Looked really small-time.
I saw Martínez's tweet after the game and I think the first thing he saluted was the clean sheet, so I guess that's his main concern.
Yep, I'd be unhappy if we'd been chasing the game, but I'd like us to win, and get clean sheets.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 01, 2022, 10:43:00 AM
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2022, 10:43:40 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 01, 2022, 06:21:33 PM
This serves to confirm my suspicions that Martinez might be long-term replaced due to the way Emery looking to play.
Javi Garcia, new goalkeeping coach who has experience working with Martinez at Arsenal and has been a tried-and-true goalkeeping coach for Emery at several clubs -well he didn't have Martinez as first preference at Arsenal.
Will keep my eyes on this one.
Especially as Martinez could well be a world cup winner as part of the Argentina squad who are going to come close in my view.
Very interesting to see what happens.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 01, 2022, 10:15:34 PM
Cutler leaving is this the beginning of the end for EM?
No.
Post by: Legion on November 01, 2022, 10:58:54 PM
Post by: Diablo on November 03, 2022, 01:08:08 PM
Post by: Risso on November 03, 2022, 01:08:44 PM
Has there been any update on how Emi is after his collision?
According to Emi himself he's fine and will play this weekend.
Post by: Diablo on November 03, 2022, 01:42:30 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 03, 2022, 04:14:57 PM
Think this may have been driven by Emi's knock on the nut on Saturday
Post by: Legion on November 03, 2022, 04:18:23 PM
Post by: eamonn on November 03, 2022, 04:23:12 PM
Im glad that we, and a few others, have told the Argentian Manager to fuck off when he suggested all Argentinian players to be left out of games between now and the world cup.
Think this may have been driven by Emi's knock on the nut on Saturday
Is that what the Jawdies were singing to him - "A knock on the nut's all fine all fine, Fog on the Tyne is all mine" ?
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 06, 2022, 01:30:22 PM
That's something I advocated under the last manager.
I hope we can all get behind Emi Martinez as some feel it has to be an outfield player
I always said he outside of Mings was the outstanding candidate for captain and it's good Emery has entrusted him.
Post by: Axl Rose on November 06, 2022, 01:42:55 PM
Captain under Emery
That's something I advocated under the last manager.
I hope we can all get behind Emi Martinez as some feel it has to be an outfield player
I always said he outside of Mings was the outstanding candidate for captain and it's good Emery has entrusted him.
Sorry, weren't you saying Olsen was the better keeper a few days ago?
I may well be completely wrong of course.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 06, 2022, 01:52:41 PM
Captain under Emery
That's something I advocated under the last manager.
I hope we can all get behind Emi Martinez as some feel it has to be an outfield player
I always said he outside of Mings was the outstanding candidate for captain and it's good Emery has entrusted him.
Sorry, weren't you saying Olsen was the better keeper a few days ago?
I may well be completely wrong of course.
He said Olsen will replace Martinez in goal by Boxing Day. Off the scale level of bonkers
Post by: Axl Rose on November 06, 2022, 02:24:11 PM
Captain under Emery
That's something I advocated under the last manager.
I hope we can all get behind Emi Martinez as some feel it has to be an outfield player
I always said he outside of Mings was the outstanding candidate for captain and it's good Emery has entrusted him.
Sorry, weren't you saying Olsen was the better keeper a few days ago?
I may well be completely wrong of course.
He said Olsen will replace Martinez in goal by Boxing Day. Off the scale level of bonkers
Oh, ok.
Absolutely no chance of that happening, injuries aside.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 06, 2022, 02:28:28 PM
And the recent debate to Olsen was regards various circumstances.
Anyway let's get behind the boys been brilliant so far.
Emi having to do a bit on the ball and playing captain role.
Post by: Bad English on November 06, 2022, 02:52:00 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 06, 2022, 05:57:03 PM
He can't help himself with that.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 06, 2022, 05:58:22 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 06, 2022, 06:00:23 PM
Post by: Risso on November 06, 2022, 06:01:53 PM
And yet time wastes and gets a yellow card.
He can't help himself with that.
Jesus christ, give it a rest. He was absolutely impeccable today. A 3-1 win after Man U for the first time in 27 years, in which Martinez was excellent, and you come on here with your ridiculous agenda.
Post by: nigel on November 06, 2022, 06:09:23 PM
A view from the dugout of him lining up Mings and Konsa for the free kick https://twitter.com/villanstogether/status/1589305441712209920?s=48&t=9hNxgX8qb_LTS_nw62wskQ
I wonder if this pushed De Gea over an extra foot, to expect a cross?
Post by: Goldenballs on November 06, 2022, 06:11:52 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 06, 2022, 06:16:44 PM
Could you bloody stop? You’re absolutely obsessed with him. You’re like a broken record.
And yet time wastes and gets a yellow card.
He can't help himself with that.
Jesus christ, give it a rest. He was absolutely impeccable today. A 3-1 win after Man U for the first time in 27 years, in which Martinez was excellent, and you come on here with your ridiculous agenda.
To be fair, he was demonstrating his leadership skills as Captain today, and he made some good saves.
I'll now then only ever point out his unnecessary bookings or any passing errors if it ends up that it costs us, as I don't want it to be an I told you so situation.
Let us concentrate on his strengths and enjoy him while we can.
He has a great chance of winning the World Cup with Argentina and we should all be supporting him.
Post by: Smirker on November 06, 2022, 06:30:37 PM
Post by: Bad English on November 06, 2022, 06:32:46 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 06, 2022, 07:14:00 PM
We were at the back of the Trinity and wondered wtf he was up to. I'm still none the wiser to be honest.
It's stopping the opposition keeper seeing the free kick before it appears above or around the wall. He was making sure De Gea had to stand further to his right than he was comfortable with if he wanted to see the free kick leave the floor.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 06, 2022, 10:18:10 PM
We were at the back of the Trinity and wondered wtf he was up to. I'm still none the wiser to be honest.
It's stopping the opposition keeper seeing the free kick before it appears above or around the wall. He was making sure De Gea had to stand further to his right than he was comfortable with if he wanted to see the free kick leave the floor.
I mean it worked so I enjoyed it but it's a bit mad if they counter.
Post by: nigel on November 07, 2022, 08:17:19 AM
We were at the back of the Trinity and wondered wtf he was up to. I'm still none the wiser to be honest.
It's stopping the opposition keeper seeing the free kick before it appears above or around the wall. He was making sure De Gea had to stand further to his right than he was comfortable with if he wanted to see the free kick leave the floor.
I mean it worked so I enjoyed it but it's a bit mad if they counter.
I’d guess that with him knowing that Digne was whipping in a shot the end result was going to be Keeper saves, corner. Miss, goal kick or, as it happened, Goal
Post by: WassallVillain on November 07, 2022, 08:37:56 AM
He was on his way back to his goal before the ball was struck so no risk takenWe were at the back of the Trinity and wondered wtf he was up to. I'm still none the wiser to be honest.
It's stopping the opposition keeper seeing the free kick before it appears above or around the wall. He was making sure De Gea had to stand further to his right than he was comfortable with if he wanted to see the free kick leave the floor.
I mean it worked so I enjoyed it but it's a bit mad if they counter.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 07, 2022, 09:05:23 AM
And yet time wastes and gets a yellow card.Nothing wrong with that when we're in the lead. It's about time we learned proper gamesmanship and shithousery and he has it in spades. I love that sheer wil to win.
He can't help himself with that.
Post by: WassallVillain on November 07, 2022, 09:20:30 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 07, 2022, 09:59:06 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on November 07, 2022, 10:05:17 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on November 07, 2022, 10:48:29 AM
And yet time wastes and gets a yellow card.Nothing wrong with that when we're in the lead. It's about time we learned proper gamesmanship and shithousery and he has it in spades. I love that sheer wil to win.
He can't help himself with that.
Well said, chris.
Agreed
Post by: OCD on November 07, 2022, 11:41:17 AM
Post by: The Charmer on November 07, 2022, 04:35:55 PM
After his theatrics last year with the Fernandes/ Ronaldo penalty caper, I didn't think he could come-up with another routine to fck them up again; how wrong I was.
Personally, I've never seen anything like what he did on Sunday.
The game is only 10 minutes old, we're 1-0 up with a free-kick on the edge of their box.
Where's our keeper?
Half-way line, over by the touchline, orchestrating & lining the thing up. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.
Happy to say it baffled the opposition as much as it did me.
Post by: manic-road on November 07, 2022, 06:14:28 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 07, 2022, 11:25:19 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 08, 2022, 12:14:52 AM
And yet time wastes and gets a yellow card.
He can't help himself with that.
How many is that now this season, seeing as he can’t help himself?
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2022, 12:19:00 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 08, 2022, 12:37:27 AM
One.
Thought so. Played every game hasn’t he?
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2022, 12:48:42 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 08, 2022, 01:47:06 AM
Yep, he's only missed the bit of the Newcastle game when he was injured.
Forgive me if I don’t panic about a possible suspension. Does anyone know when the cut-off point is where five yellows no longer get you suspended?
Edit: 5 in the first 19 games will trigger a one game ban, so if Emi can just try and control himself and not get booked 4 times in the next 5 games, having racked up an unforgivable total of 1 in the last 14, he’ll be fine. Footy will be relieved.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2022, 01:51:28 AM
32 games - 10 bookings = 2 game ban
End of season -15 bookings = 3 game ban
End of season - 20 bookings = referred to Regulatory Commission.
Running total:
J Ramsey 4
Ings, McGinn, Bailey 3
A Young, Konsa, Digne, Cash, Coutinho, Mings 2
Luiz, Kamara, Martinez, Augustinsson, Watkins 1
Be nice if Ramsey could avoid a booking until the more frenetic period after Christmas.
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2022, 09:27:34 AM
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2022, 09:28:10 AM
Yep, he's only missed the bit of the Newcastle game when he was injured.
Forgive me if I don’t panic about a possible suspension. Does anyone know when the cut-off point is where five yellows no longer get you suspended?
Edit: 5 in the first 19 games will trigger a one game ban, so if Emi can just try and control himself and not get booked 4 times in the next 5 games, having racked up an unforgivable total of 1 in the last 14, he’ll be fine. Footy will be relieved.
Don't worry too much Perce, he's only got the Brighton game left before Olsen takes over anyway.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 08, 2022, 09:55:52 AM
Quite a bit about Emi in this where Neil Cutler discusses yesterday's game with Ben Foster. First 19 mins is mainly Villa chat covering McPhee and JJ as well as the match. Some interesting stuff including a section about why we might see some more goals from free kicks in the PL.This is good stuff thanks.
Cutts seems quite complimentary about McPhee, which is good to hear.
I noticed the wall before the Digne free kick. It looked at least 12 yards to me and the Man U players were moaning before it was taken. Fair play to McPhee for getting in the refs ears about this.
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2022, 10:00:53 AM
Post by: paul_e on November 08, 2022, 11:10:51 AM
A few of them have been moaning about the distance between the wall and the ball, then someone put up a picture of the Ronaldo one in the second half and it was the same but he still just shanked it into the defenders shins, the preening plank.
From what Cutler has said there I wonder if fans have just become accustomed to the wall being 6-8 yards and when it's actually at 10 it looks really far away.
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2022, 11:13:34 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on November 08, 2022, 11:20:13 AM
I think I read that the ref marked the 10 yards from where the ball was and drew the line with the foam for them to stand behind, then we moved it back a few yards. I really, really hope that's true.I can't recall us moving the ball (ive not double checked) but I was watching him when he paced it out and thought bloody hell that's generous. Mentioned it to the bloke next to me at the time as it was that obviously different to what we're used to. I'm sure some technicians will measure it at some point and will be interesting to see. My guess would be 12 yeards.
Post by: coreyfeldman on November 08, 2022, 11:27:08 AM
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This is good stuff thanks.
Cutts seems quite complimentary about McPhee, which is good to hear.
I noticed the wall before the Digne free kick. It looked at least 12 yards to me and the Man U players were moaning before it was taken. Fair play to McPhee for getting in the refs ears about this.
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to be fair to the officials, when he lined up the wall for Ronaldos free kick I thought the wall was well over 10 yards away, probably just another shit ref
Post by: Axl Rose on November 08, 2022, 11:28:19 AM
So detailed. He'll be missed.
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2022, 11:41:41 AM
This is good stuff thanks.
Cutts seems quite complimentary about McPhee, which is good to hear.
I noticed the wall before the Digne free kick. It looked at least 12 yards to me and the Man U players were moaning before it was taken. Fair play to McPhee for getting in the refs ears about this.
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to be fair to the officials, when he lined up the wall for Ronaldos free kick I thought the wall was well over 10 yards away, probably just another shit ref
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Maybe like my wife he struggles with the concept of inches, feet and yards. If I'd have taken the measurements she gave me over the phone when we first moved in together, I'd have had enough laminate flooring to cover a football pitch.
Post by: Drummond on November 08, 2022, 04:57:37 PM
This is good stuff thanks.
Cutts seems quite complimentary about McPhee, which is good to hear.
I noticed the wall before the Digne free kick. It looked at least 12 yards to me and the Man U players were moaning before it was taken. Fair play to McPhee for getting in the refs ears about this.
to be fair to the officials, when he lined up the wall for Ronaldos free kick I thought the wall was well over 10 yards away, probably just another shit ref
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Maybe like my wife he struggles with the concept of inches, feet and yards. If I'd have taken the measurements she gave me over the phone when we first moved in together, I'd have had enough laminate flooring to cover a football pitch.
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Did she faint when you told her the size of your todger?
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2022, 05:50:59 PM
Post by: eamonn on November 08, 2022, 05:55:42 PM
Post by: Dave on November 08, 2022, 06:02:06 PM
How the flipping heck have Ings and Bailey picked up three yellows each?! Neither of them could tackle the skin on a rice pudding.
Bailey in particular is a stroppy git when he's not getting his way. And he's had quite a lot of not getting his way this season, so loses the ball and then kicks the bloke he lost out to while trying to win it back.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 08, 2022, 06:06:15 PM
And Ings?How the flipping heck have Ings and Bailey picked up three yellows each?! Neither of them could tackle the skin on a rice pudding.
Bailey in particular is a stroppy git when he's not getting his way. And he's had quite a lot of not getting his way this season, so loses the ball and then kicks the bloke he lost out to while trying to win it back.
Loitering without intent.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 08, 2022, 06:07:56 PM
Post by: OCD on November 09, 2022, 11:42:26 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 12:51:57 PM
Hopefully, Martinez gets one or two more bookings for time-wasting in the next few games. It will mean we're leading and trying to close out the game. No wonder Sunday was his first booking of the season.
His mind will be on the World Cup anyway, so he should rest and give Olsen the chance, especially since Argentina could win the World Cup and Emi Martinez may still be off Villa duty, missing the 4th round tie and possibly even Boxing Day.
I'll be supporting him at the World Cup and has every chance becoming a winner.
Lets see how many counts I'm accurately gauging things come Chirstmas
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2022, 12:58:19 PM
Post by: Clampy on November 10, 2022, 01:13:06 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 01:23:03 PM
Don't forget Martinez who is still somewhat recovering from a concussion.
I've had it a several times before, and you think you're fine and recovering, but it hasn't been 100%, so you have to consider everything under player welfare.
Post by: Monty on November 10, 2022, 01:24:24 PM
What on earth do you think a concussion is?
Post by: Clampy on November 10, 2022, 01:26:42 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 01:36:41 PM
His mind will be on the World Cup? How do you come up with this stuff?
His mind will not be on the World Cup however many times you say it. Besides, why play him on Sunday if you think he'll be dreaming of the World Cup? Honestly, you are just taking nonsense for the sake of it.
I don't come up with it I am aware of how significant the World Cup is.
And it's not nonsense because Olsen can be suitable for the Cup game against a modified and altered Man Utd starting 11. If I had to choose, I would rather us have Martinez in goal away in the League on Sunday.
Once again, disagreement among people leads to the rejection of perfectly logical opinions and conclusions that I have made.
It does not imply that it will occur, but there is a case to suggest that it might, and the reasoning I have given is sound.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 01:39:08 PM
IF HE HAS A CONCUSSION AT ALL HE'S NOT PLAYING AT ALL OMGOk listen. We aren't here to get annoyed with one another unless grounds for unjust behaviour. I find the tone aggressive and do not wish to discuss or debate any further
What on earth do you think a concussion is?
Clearly I have an understanding of concussion as highlighted player safety. We must treat players safely and also each other
Good Day. And Up the Villa.
Post by: Clampy on November 10, 2022, 01:43:29 PM
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2022, 01:49:04 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 13, 2022, 02:38:53 PM
To me he's just not good enough with his short game.
Passing wise and decision to kick short isn't so good several occasions.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 13, 2022, 02:41:56 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 13, 2022, 02:43:15 PM
You really do have an agenda against Emi Martinez don’t you?No just pointing out deficiencies at passing and stuff that people needed to prepared or notified about.
His long game to Danny Ings has been outstanding and I think going long has been fine.
I was the one to suggest he should be captain and have championed. I give all sorts of observations actually giving fair account of how I see it.
Post by: Villan For Life on November 13, 2022, 02:46:47 PM
You really do have an agenda against Emi Martinez don’t you?No just pointing out deficiencies at passing and stuff that people needed to prepared or notified about.
His long game to Danny Ings has been outstanding and I think going long has been fine.
I was the one to suggest he should be captain and have championed. I give all sorts of observations actually giving fair account of how I see it.
He’s all we have got and most people are happy with that. The alternative is simply unthinkable
Post by: aldridgeboy on November 13, 2022, 02:51:20 PM
But he will gain us way more points than he will cost us.
I also think he has the character to put something like that behind him quickly and move on. Not collapse
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 13, 2022, 02:57:45 PM
Silly mistake.
But he will gain us way more points than he will cost us.
I also think he has the character to put something like that behind him quickly and move on. Not collapse
That's a great point. His character is immense and a proven winner. That's why he is a good fit as Captain.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 13, 2022, 03:06:47 PM
- Douglas Luiz was criticising Martinez for getting Mings into trouble with a pass in the first half.
Luiz's advice to kick it far.
-Additionally, he was terribly out of position when Brighton's corner kick almost resulted in a goal.
-He also made two excellent long passes out to Danny Ings, as was already fairly stated.
-He was smart and assumed responsibility by coming out to head the ball (debatable if he should have or not but was fine)
Please note both the positive and negative aspects of a player or game, and don't just ignore mistakes that are made. Many football fans actually do that.
There's an excellent opportunity to take this approach during the World Cup football on analysis of matches and players on all the teams.
Just a suggestion.
Post by: Bad English on November 13, 2022, 03:23:09 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 13, 2022, 03:24:45 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 13, 2022, 04:25:37 PM
It's no surprise he was booked for his antics.
People in football complain about Richarlison and Neymar's antics, but Martinez is right up there with the best of them!
So there's no argument against it if they don't agree with how Neymar and Richarlison behaviour.
I know no one wants to see it from a rival player, but the only thing that can endure is that he plays for our team and it's done to benefit our team, as we support Aston Villa.
However, it is not football, but I understand it is part of the tactics and way that Martinez chooses to be and Emery will not discourage it.
It's a win-at-all-costs mindset. That can be acknowledged, but I will never applaud such football antics due to my honour of sport.
Today versus Brighton what is rather repulsive is throwing the ball out and then collapsing as if injured.
Be careful what you wish for, because Martinez may come up against the team they are following at the World Cup and you may not be so generous in their admiration for his scheming.
It's unfortunate that he has now this reputation on the pitch but it's fantastic that we won.
I have a high confidence when I next post on Emi Martinez thread he'll be the World Cup winner no doubt he and Argentina will deserve it and have to accept he plays how he plays.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 13, 2022, 04:27:43 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 13, 2022, 04:27:50 PM
Post by: four fornicholl on November 13, 2022, 04:31:40 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 13, 2022, 04:31:54 PM
Honestly, what a bizarre hill to die on that is.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 13, 2022, 04:33:44 PM
Post by: Bad English on November 13, 2022, 04:36:47 PM
I have a high confidence when I next post on Emi Martinez thread he'll be the World Cup winnerIs it the final next Thursday?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 13, 2022, 04:53:01 PM
Post by: Smirker on November 13, 2022, 05:00:34 PM
Still the king 8)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 13, 2022, 06:32:18 PM
Post by: AV82EC on November 13, 2022, 11:03:48 PM
https://twitter.com/1onkarsingh/status/1591823877998800897?s=46&t=JcFEJGTd-W8E-wkt7zzYww
Post by: LukeJames on November 13, 2022, 11:19:47 PM
Post by: olaftab on November 13, 2022, 11:34:55 PM
I almost almost mind develop semis when he shithouses. He’s world class at it.Something to look forward to in the KO stage of the World Cup😆
Post by: Matt C on November 14, 2022, 02:19:51 AM
Post by: Drummond on November 14, 2022, 09:47:46 AM
I just hope we don't see the fixture happen.
I love his mentality and long may he continue. He's a winner.
Post by: Risso on November 14, 2022, 10:10:29 AM
I can see him doing it for Argentina against England and becoming the most hated player in the Premier League, notwithstanding Harry Maguire....
I just hope we don't see the fixture happen.
I love his mentality and long may he continue. He's a winner.
I hope we do. Bollocks to England, and bollocks to Southgate. He'll always be the most loved player in B6.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 14, 2022, 10:16:17 AM
I can see him doing it for Argentina against England and becoming the most hated player in the Premier League, notwithstanding Harry Maguire....
I just hope we don't see the fixture happen.
I love his mentality and long may he continue. He's a winner.
I hope we do. Bollocks to England, and bollocks to Southgate. He'll always be the most loved player in B6.
I really dont think we have to worry about England being in the further stages
Post by: Monty on November 14, 2022, 10:25:12 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 14, 2022, 10:34:11 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 14, 2022, 10:47:37 AM
Post by: LeeB on November 14, 2022, 10:51:36 AM
Is he the highest profile keeper in the Prem? I can't think of another keeper who is better than him or that much better than him and when you add in all the other "attributes" to his game he's the best all round for me. Even so, would Pope, Pickford, Ramsdale, Dehay, Allison, Ederson or who ever improve us? I don't think so.
I was musing exactly this last night. I certainly wouldn't swap him for any of them, especially Pickford with his comedy performance at Bournemouth on Saturday. He made Olsen look like Lev Yashin.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 14, 2022, 10:57:47 AM
Is he the highest profile keeper in the Prem? I can't think of another keeper who is better than him or that much better than him and when you add in all the other "attributes" to his game he's the best all round for me. Even so, would Pope, Pickford, Ramsdale, Dehay, Allison, Ederson or who ever improve us? I don't think so.
I was musing exactly this last night. I certainly wouldn't swap him for any of them, especially Pickford with his comedy performance at Bournemouth on Saturday. He made Olsen look like Lev Yashin.
Pickford is an average keeper and yes, Olsen would be better as an England keeper as Southgate would be physically sick at the thought of playing it out from the back so his passing of the ball to the opposition would never be a concern.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 14, 2022, 11:01:15 AM
Post by: LeeB on November 14, 2022, 11:03:50 AM
I'm of the opinion that if visitors from another world turned up and challenged us to a game, Martinez has to be between the sticks for us Earthicans. I'm not saying he's the best keeper on this planet, but he has a certain intangible quality which would soon see those grey, goggly-eyed ****** sent packing.
Treading on their tentacles at corners, whistling in a pitch that causes them severe torment and interferes with their telepathy, that sort of thing.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 14, 2022, 11:16:15 AM
I'm of the opinion that if visitors from another world turned up and challenged us to a game, Martinez has to be between the sticks for us Earthicans. I'm not saying he's the best keeper on this planet, but he has a certain intangible quality which would soon see those grey, goggly-eyed ****** sent packing.
Treading on their tentacles at corners, whistling in a pitch that causes them severe torment and interferes with their telepathy, that sort of thing.
He would revert to Quantum Shithousery and nudge the opposition into wormholes.
Post by: LeeB on November 14, 2022, 11:19:38 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 14, 2022, 11:48:00 AM
Is he the highest profile keeper in the Prem? I can't think of another keeper who is better than him or that much better than him and when you add in all the other "attributes" to his game he's the best all round for me. Even so, would Pope, Pickford, Ramsdale, Dehay, Allison, Ederson or who ever improve us? I don't think so.
I was musing exactly this last night. I certainly wouldn't swap him for any of them, especially Pickford with his comedy performance at Bournemouth on Saturday. He made Olsen look like Lev Yashin.
I can't believe Pickford is still England's first choice keeper. I'd have Pope ahead of him.
Post by: LeeB on November 14, 2022, 11:54:23 AM
Is he the highest profile keeper in the Prem? I can't think of another keeper who is better than him or that much better than him and when you add in all the other "attributes" to his game he's the best all round for me. Even so, would Pope, Pickford, Ramsdale, Dehay, Allison, Ederson or who ever improve us? I don't think so.
I was musing exactly this last night. I certainly wouldn't swap him for any of them, especially Pickford with his comedy performance at Bournemouth on Saturday. He made Olsen look like Lev Yashin.
I can't believe Pickford is still England's first choice keeper. I'd have Pope ahead of him.
I'd have the actual Pope in front of him, he keeps goal like he's powered only on 90's full strength Sunny D.
Post by: qwerty on November 14, 2022, 12:10:37 PM
With regard to England’s keeper, Pope’s kicking has always been poor and it has not improved much at Newcastle.
Ramsdale is far superior in that respect.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 14, 2022, 12:13:28 PM
I'm of the opinion that if visitors from another world turned up and challenged us to a game, Martinez has to be between the sticks for us Earthicans. I'm not saying he's the best keeper on this planet, but he has a certain intangible quality which would soon see those grey, goggly-eyed ****** sent packing.
Plus we could list him on the team sheet as Emi Martianez which would probably throw them.
Post by: Drummond on November 14, 2022, 12:16:54 PM
Is he the highest profile keeper in the Prem? I can't think of another keeper who is better than him or that much better than him and when you add in all the other "attributes" to his game he's the best all round for me. Even so, would Pope, Pickford, Ramsdale, Dehay, Allison, Ederson or who ever improve us? I don't think so.
I was musing exactly this last night. I certainly wouldn't swap him for any of them, especially Pickford with his comedy performance at Bournemouth on Saturday. He made Olsen look like Lev Yashin.
I think Ederson's skill with the ball at his feet is really something. If Martinez had that level of control of the ball, then he'd undoubtedly be the best by a mile.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 16, 2022, 08:33:44 AM
Post by: Perthvillan on November 16, 2022, 09:26:40 AM
So close to WC too.
Just fucking love this bloke.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 16, 2022, 09:33:49 AM
Post by: LeeB on November 16, 2022, 10:08:57 AM
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 17, 2022, 07:16:18 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on November 26, 2022, 09:00:44 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 26, 2022, 10:49:14 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on November 26, 2022, 11:46:02 PM
Emi's happy. https://twitter.com/ESPNFC/status/1596628730192883712
Smiled at this tweet below the video
(https://i.ibb.co/nQb0DjG/Screenshot-20221127-084516.png) (https://ibb.co/nQb0DjG)
Post by: ironmaidenmania on November 28, 2022, 08:41:22 AM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on November 28, 2022, 08:43:11 AM
The long-term future of Argentina goalkeeper Emiliano Martinez, 30, at Aston Villa is in doubt due to friction with new manager Unai Emery. (Football Insider)
Post by: Drummond on November 28, 2022, 08:43:33 AM
BBC gossip this morning says there is friction between Emi and Unai. Hope it's nothing but gossip. Last thing we need now is this.
It's football insider. Not the BBC. It's bullshit.
Post by: Exeter 77 on November 28, 2022, 09:55:42 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on November 28, 2022, 10:02:26 AM
The BBC using sources like Football Insider gives the bollocks they spout a legitimacy though as the BBC is a 'trusted' news outlet. I like the BBC but it does itself no favours at times.It may only be a BBC 'gossip' column, but they really should know better. Anyone remotely interested in football should be aware Football Insider is just a wind up rag, just rumours made up by spotty teenagers in their bedrooms for clicks.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 28, 2022, 12:03:34 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 28, 2022, 12:34:31 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 28, 2022, 12:37:28 PM
It is understood, said one source, that the pair had a “fall-out” at Arsenal during the Spaniard’s 18-month spell as the club’s manager.
Post by: Risso on November 28, 2022, 12:48:39 PM
Post by: Smithy on November 28, 2022, 12:56:36 PM
The fact is, Emi was probably third-choice during Unai's early stint at Arsenal (think it was Cech and Leno 1st and 2nd?), so he will have been pissed off - but he's the undisputed number one here, which I suspect it what he cares about most of all.
If they'd GENUINELY had a proper falling out, I have no doubt Emery would have ditched his third-choice goalkeeper in a heartbeat.
Post by: brontebilly on November 28, 2022, 01:48:59 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 28, 2022, 01:51:20 PM
Football insider should follow the S*n on being banned on here
They're bad but they haven't tried to pin the deaths of innocent supporters onto other innocent supporters as far as I'm aware
Post by: BC Villain on December 03, 2022, 11:43:20 AM
"He’s not a top-class goalkeeper. He’s not top level. There’s a reason he was at Arsenal for so long, without playing. Arsenal have had some poor goalkeepers over the years. Martinez spent so much time as a no.2,”.
Post by: Ian. on December 03, 2022, 12:14:26 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 03, 2022, 12:14:49 PM
I had a bit of a barney with Hackett on that site. I read & commented on there for a bit, before I realised it was absolute clickbait garbage & their HP sauces are wrong pretty much 100% of the time.BBC gossip this morning says there is friction between Emi and Unai. Hope it's nothing but gossip. Last thing we need now is this.
It's football insider. Not the BBC. It's bullshit.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 03, 2022, 12:15:43 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 03, 2022, 12:39:07 PM
It's a shame he's turned out to be a twat, I always liked Paul Robinson.
Always thought he was a smug fecker, especially when he took over Lassiter's.
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 03, 2022, 12:42:34 PM
hes only got one legIt's a shame he's turned out to be a twat, I always liked Paul Robinson.
Always thought he was a smug fecker, especially when he took over Lassiter's.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 03, 2022, 12:55:52 PM
It's a shame he's turned out to be a twat, I always liked Paul Robinson.
Always thought he was a smug fecker, especially when he took over Lassiter's.
Didn't get this reference so Googled it. Fucking Hell, I thought Damo watched some shite.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 03, 2022, 06:40:13 PM
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/30/014021C300001005-2854914-image-28_1417359250668.jpg)
Post by: Risso on December 03, 2022, 07:03:46 PM
Didn't get this reference so Googled it. Fucking Hell, I thought Damo watched some shite.
That era Neighbours used to get 20m viewers.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 03, 2022, 07:09:12 PM
Didn't get this reference so Googled it. Fucking Hell, I thought Damo watched some shite.
That era Neighbours used to get 20m viewers.
CDBF clearly didn't go to university back then or he'd have instantly recognised the 'Neighbours' reference like we did.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 03, 2022, 07:23:09 PM
Didn't get this reference so Googled it. Fucking Hell, I thought Damo watched some shite.
That era Neighbours used to get 20m viewers.
CDBF clearly didn't go to university back then or he'd have instantly recognised the 'Neighbours' reference like we did.
I worked with a bloke who insisted he finished work in time for him to get home to watch it.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 03, 2022, 09:00:37 PM
Post by: LukeJames on December 03, 2022, 09:07:16 PM
when I want an opinion on goalkeepers I won't be seeking it from someone whon has this to their name
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/30/014021C300001005-2854914-image-28_1417359250668.jpg)
FFS I forgot about this guy, thought we were talking about that Albion LB.
Post by: SaddVillan on December 03, 2022, 09:08:10 PM
Well done to Emi on reaching the quarters. Cracking last minute save! Needs to add a touch of claret to those hair stripes!
Pretty well a spectator for 90 minutes - then made the crucial last minute save when requires. Class.
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 03, 2022, 11:22:45 PM
disappointed in him should have at least scored a goal, the man's slackingWell done to Emi on reaching the quarters. Cracking last minute save! Needs to add a touch of claret to those hair stripes!
Pretty well a spectator for 90 minutes - then made the crucial last minute save when requires. Class.
Post by: Mellin on December 04, 2022, 08:45:00 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 04, 2022, 10:21:16 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 04, 2022, 10:32:26 AM
Didn't get this reference so Googled it. Fucking Hell, I thought Damo watched some shite.
That era Neighbours used to get 20m viewers.
Coldplay have sold a lot of albums. Doesn't make it acceptable. Neighbours, FFS.
Post by: Risso on December 04, 2022, 12:12:46 PM
Didn't get this reference so Googled it. Fucking Hell, I thought Damo watched some shite.
That era Neighbours used to get 20m viewers.
Coldplay have sold a lot of albums. Doesn't make it acceptable. Neighbours, FFS.
I didn't comment on the quality of it, just that you'd have to have lived in a cave not to even be aware who he was back then. Even more so considering he got to the giddy heights of no. 16 in the charts. No. 16 mind, that's top 20 baby.
Post by: LeeB on December 04, 2022, 02:40:27 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 04, 2022, 02:50:20 PM
Post by: dave shelley on December 04, 2022, 02:59:31 PM
I must have been living in a cave.
I never saw a single episode of Neighbours.
Post by: darren woolley on December 04, 2022, 03:15:13 PM
Post by: Astnor on December 04, 2022, 07:47:27 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2022, 07:51:33 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 04, 2022, 07:56:38 PM
Bellingham- what a player.
Emi bellingham doesn’t have the same ring to it as Emi Martinez. I think I’ll stick to the latter.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 04, 2022, 09:21:03 PM
Post by: Eckybloke on December 04, 2022, 09:48:53 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 04, 2022, 10:48:22 PM
I saw Paul Robinson in the flesh, well Stefan Dennis obvs, at an under 18s disco in Brechin. He was there with Sonia, it was a good night.
That is a vision and a half 😂
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 04, 2022, 11:19:10 PM
I saw Paul Robinson in the flesh, well Stefan Dennis obvs, at an under 18s disco in Brechin. He was there with Sonia, it was a good night.
I saw the bloke who played Alf Stewart in that curry house near Five Ways*
* in about 1994.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 05, 2022, 12:18:24 AM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 07, 2022, 08:44:06 PM
The calls for him to join a so called bigger team will be loud and after tasting World Cup action regular Champions League football would be a natural progression.
He’s had a lot of knock backs before finally establishing himself as number 1 both domestically and internationally. Hopefully he’ll think that the grass isn’t always greener and he’ll stop where he’s settled but I’d be surprised but delighted if he’s with us next season.
Post by: algy on December 07, 2022, 09:09:46 PM
No innuendo intended there, it was just honest to goodness pissing.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 07, 2022, 10:15:18 PM
The calls for him to join a so called bigger team will be loud and after tasting World Cup action regular Champions League football would be a natural progression.
They'll soon quieten down once we have João Félix on board.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 07, 2022, 10:52:38 PM
The calls for him to join a so called bigger team will be loud and after tasting World Cup action regular Champions League football would be a natural progression.
They'll soon quieten down once we have João Félix on board.
I like the cut of your jib.
Post by: Smithy on December 08, 2022, 09:16:39 AM
Was listening to an Argentinian football podcast today, bloke who presents it is a Villa fan, he said he was in Argentina just before the World Cup and was surprised at how popular Emi is, said he’s really well thought of by fans and pundits alike, he’s at the forefront of the team, behind only Messi.
The calls for him to join a so called bigger team will be loud and after tasting World Cup action regular Champions League football would be a natural progression.
He’s had a lot of knock backs before finally establishing himself as number 1 both domestically and internationally. Hopefully he’ll think that the grass isn’t always greener and he’ll stop where he’s settled but I’d be surprised but delighted if he’s with us next season.
A lot will depend on how Unai's first six months go. Does he like Unai's way of playing? We know they didn't have a brilliant relationship at Arsenal, but I suspect that's as much to do with him not playing under him as anything else, and that's been fixed here.
Despite everything this season, we are still only 3 points off a European place, so a decent unbeaten run and some good form (even for a month or two) could easily see us in the mix for European football come May. Not the top four, obviously, but we could easily be looking at scraping into one of the others.
I'd hate to see him leave, but if he did, it would be for massive money.
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 08, 2022, 09:21:54 AM
Post by: Drummond on December 08, 2022, 09:28:56 AM
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 08, 2022, 09:47:19 AM
He's going nowhere. Loves it at the Villa, we got him his place as Argentina Number 1. And we're going places too..
Please be right !
Post by: Baldy on December 08, 2022, 10:13:27 AM
Is it because he loves the camera and being in the shop window!! Is it because he is uncomfortable using his feet and playing out from the back?
Naturally, would prefer him to stay but think he will have to get on the same wavelength as Unai or it could be curtains. Either way, we should be discreetly checking the market for a replacement as I have no confidence Emi is here for the long term.
Post by: olaftab on December 08, 2022, 10:20:31 AM
Love Emi and all that comes with him and he’s ours forever.
Post by: Baldy on December 08, 2022, 10:33:01 AM
Footy-Ville is a bad influence on me. :)
Post by: Risso on December 08, 2022, 12:13:02 PM
I saw Paul Robinson in the flesh, well Stefan Dennis obvs, at an under 18s disco in Brechin. He was there with Sonia, it was a good night.
I saw the bloke who played Alf Stewart in that curry house near Five Ways*
* in about 1994.
Regards? (On Broad Street, which imho, makes it a brilliant name.)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 08, 2022, 05:19:30 PM
Post by: eamonn on December 08, 2022, 07:12:15 PM
Post by: Risso on December 09, 2022, 10:05:00 AM
Yeah that’s the one, I think.
Went in there a fair bit in my first year at university when I was in halls in Edgbaston. There was a decent pub over the road, the Unspoilt by Progress.
Post by: LeeB on December 09, 2022, 10:13:35 AM
Yeah that’s the one, I think.
Went in there a fair bit in my first year at university when I was in halls in Edgbaston. There was a decent pub over the road, the Unspoilt by Progress.
I liked that place, I worked at Nat West at Five Ways for a while and we'd go in there for our extended Friday lunch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 09, 2022, 10:33:01 AM
Yeah that’s the one, I think.
Went in there a fair bit in my first year at university when I was in halls in Edgbaston. There was a decent pub over the road, the Unspoilt by Progress.
Are there any Banks's pubs left inside Birmingham? My mate got proper excited when he discovered the Unspoilt was there. And a pint of mild in the bar of the Lifford Curve remains (well, it's not going to get beaten now!) the cheapest I've ever had in a pub. 54p.
Post by: olaftab on December 09, 2022, 11:21:57 AM
Sorry Olaftab, I will try harder.Haha...I did think half way through reading that that Footy has hacked your account.
Footy-Ville is a bad influence on me. :)
Post by: nigel on December 09, 2022, 04:47:23 PM
Yeah that’s the one, I think.
Went in there a fair bit in my first year at university when I was in halls in Edgbaston. There was a decent pub over the road, the Unspoilt by Progress.
Are there any Banks's pubs left inside Birmingham? My mate got proper excited when he discovered the Unspoilt was there. And a pint of mild in the bar of the Lifford Curve remains (well, it's not going to get beaten now!) the cheapest I've ever had in a pub. 54p.
Blimey, the Lifford Curve, that’s a blast from the past.
Opened around 85, Didn’t last long, though. Pretty sure it was closed by 2000
I lived just up the road from there in the late 80’s, but never really used it as I used to drink in the Grant.
Post by: Steve67 on December 09, 2022, 09:59:59 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 09, 2022, 10:00:29 PM
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on December 09, 2022, 10:01:00 PM
Post by: OzVilla on December 09, 2022, 10:01:37 PM
Post by: Beard82 on December 09, 2022, 10:03:28 PM
Love his heart - he loves every second of everything he does
Post by: Proposition Joe on December 09, 2022, 10:05:56 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 09, 2022, 10:06:08 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 09, 2022, 10:08:23 PM
The guy is a giant, a winner.
Post by: brontebilly on December 09, 2022, 10:09:10 PM
Post by: garyellis on December 09, 2022, 10:12:41 PM
Poor for the first? Spectacular penos. Argie are an indisciplined rabble when things go against them.What a load of bollocks
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 09, 2022, 10:20:33 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on December 09, 2022, 10:21:41 PM
Post by: Dave on December 09, 2022, 10:22:12 PM
(Mostly positive and pleased we're throwing our money around, with a bit of thinking we should stick with Heaton, some panic that Brighton are going to come and get him ahead of us and just a frisson of "nah, we should sign Fraser Forster instead")
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 09, 2022, 10:26:10 PM
Post by: BoVillan esq on December 09, 2022, 10:26:22 PM
Post by: Dave on December 09, 2022, 10:28:17 PM
I actually don’t think he will go unless we want to sell him. He loves it here.
He does. He also seems to really love playing in massive football matches. So we should probably start making sure we play in some of them sooner rather than later.
Post by: Mellin on December 09, 2022, 10:31:17 PM
Yeah that’s the one, I think.
Went in there a fair bit in my first year at university when I was in halls in Edgbaston. There was a decent pub over the road, the Unspoilt by Progress.
Are there any Banks's pubs left inside Birmingham? My mate got proper excited when he discovered the Unspoilt was there. And a pint of mild in the bar of the Lifford Curve remains (well, it's not going to get beaten now!) the cheapest I've ever had in a pub. 54p.
Blimey, the Lifford Curve, that’s a blast from the past.
Opened around 85, Didn’t last long, though. Pretty sure it was closed by 2000
I lived just up the road from there in the late 80’s, but never really used it as I used to drink in the Grant.
Probably about 10 years after that. I had a drink in there every now and then and turned 18 in 2005.
Well in Emi.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 09, 2022, 10:32:12 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on December 09, 2022, 10:34:06 PM
Emi in the semi. Nice to have some Villa interest.Got to admit, I had some Tranmere nerves for the pennos. But by God,what a keeper.
Post by: SaddVillan on December 09, 2022, 10:34:17 PM
https://i.ibb.co/D8FNzLK/20221209-221839.jpg
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 09, 2022, 10:35:50 PM
I've no idea how to paste a piccie, but this says it all.
https://i.ibb.co/D8FNzLK/20221209-221839.jpg
Nice to see that he's not too big to spend time with a fan.
Post by: Proposition Joe on December 09, 2022, 10:36:10 PM
I actually don’t think he will go unless we want to sell him. He loves it here.
He does. He also seems to really love playing in massive football matches. So we should probably start making sure we play in some of them sooner rather than later.
This is the way forward, mos def.
Post by: Dogtanian on December 09, 2022, 10:38:42 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCStatto/status/1601338902677426176?s=20&t=stfUE2iHPdqtcPqTmADu2A (https://twitter.com/AVFCStatto/status/1601338902677426176?s=20&t=stfUE2iHPdqtcPqTmADu2A)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 09, 2022, 10:41:16 PM
Post by: RichardBatchelor on December 09, 2022, 10:43:00 PM
I saw Paul Robinson in the flesh, well Stefan Dennis obvs, at an under 18s disco in Brechin. He was there with Sonia, it was a good night.
I also Dennis in a nightclub in Liverpool. He was doing a play up the road. Some bloke was by chance filming an amateur documentary about the club and Dennis hid his face from the camera.
Post by: Dogtanian on December 09, 2022, 10:43:25 PM
Who was the last Villa player to play in a World Cup semi? And I mean someone that was a Villa player at the time.
Platt
Post by: RichardBatchelor on December 09, 2022, 10:45:11 PM
Who was the last Villa player to play in a World Cup semi? And I mean someone that was a Villa player at the time.
David Platt?
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 09, 2022, 10:47:31 PM
Post by: shirley_villan on December 09, 2022, 10:47:41 PM
Who was the last Villa player to play in a World Cup semi? And I mean someone that was a Villa player at the time.
Alpay?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 09, 2022, 10:49:35 PM
Ron Vlaar maybe.
Is the correct answer.
A couple fell into my cunning trap of Platt being the answer.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 09, 2022, 10:52:20 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 09, 2022, 10:55:44 PM
There's another one between Platt and Vlaar if anyone wants to guess it.
It's already been said.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 09, 2022, 10:56:20 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 09, 2022, 11:02:58 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCStatto/status/1601347822959620097
Post by: nigel on December 09, 2022, 11:11:27 PM
He's well pissed off. I love him.
https://twitter.com/AVFCStatto/status/1601347822959620097
Brilliant 😂
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 09, 2022, 11:11:45 PM
Post by: olaftab on December 09, 2022, 11:12:56 PM
When was the last time we heard words “useless” and “needs to keep his mouth shut” in a post match?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 09, 2022, 11:14:01 PM
I can't get it to play.
Summary:
Interviewer: Emi, you're the absolute hero. How does it feel?
Emi: the ref is a ******.
Interviewer: talk us through the penalties.
Emi: van Gaal is a ******.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 09, 2022, 11:16:26 PM
I found it via another source in the end, so all good.
Post by: olaftab on December 09, 2022, 11:17:35 PM
I can't get it to play.You probably have age appropriate filters on. Ask your big bro to do it for you😂
But he said the ref was useless and van Gaal needs to keep his mouth shut.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 09, 2022, 11:23:56 PM
Now that’s proper interview answers😂😂😂
When was the last time we heard words “useless” and “needs to keep his mouth shut” in a post match?
Just superb
https://twitter.com/lmechegaray/status/1601347210704171008?s=46&t=K5CeGBdsYGvnZgbELeUtqw
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 09, 2022, 11:24:52 PM
I can't get it to play.You probably have age appropriate filters on. Ask your big bro to do it for you😂
But he said the ref was useless and van Gaal needs to keep his mouth shut.
He's probably looking for the clip in Spanish.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 09, 2022, 11:29:56 PM
Have to get some shootouts in the cups while he still remains with us just for the bantz and all that.
Post by: gpbarr on December 09, 2022, 11:34:40 PM
Enjoy the victory. No need for the classless commentary.
Post by: olaftab on December 09, 2022, 11:40:20 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 10, 2022, 12:25:56 AM
Post by: Stu on December 10, 2022, 12:28:14 AM
I love the guy too but he lacked a bit of class I. That interview. The 10 mins were more that warranted given the amount of time wasting that went on.
Enjoy the victory. No need for the classless commentary.
Nah. That's a passionate commentary the like of which any of us as fans would like to deliver after a hard fought game in which you felt like you were up against it. He'll probably get fined for his comments about the referee, but that was a wonderfully refreshing change from the usual old shit. Proud that he plays for the Villa.
Post by: Rory on December 10, 2022, 12:39:00 AM
I can't get it to play.
Summary:
Interviewer: Emi, you're the absolute hero. How does it feel?
Emi: the ref is a ******.
Interviewer: talk us through the penalties.
Emi: van Gaal is a ******.
It was brilliant, but I am slightly disappointed it didn't play out like this. But then I always want interviews to go like that, regardless.
"Harry Kane, what did you make of today's game?"
"Listen, we knew Senegal were mostly shit, thankfully they were shit today and we took advantage of their shitness."
"France up next, how are you feeling about that?"
"France are fucking dickheads. And they stink. Stinky dickheads."
"Okay, thanks Harry. Harry Kane in a confident mood there."
Post by: brontebilly on December 10, 2022, 12:43:56 AM
He was honest and candid. Isn’t that what we want rather than fake platitude and condescending remarks?
Honest...the ref might aswell have given the whistle to Messi in the second half. There was epic karma when the Dutch equaliser.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 10, 2022, 01:03:46 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 10, 2022, 01:25:05 AM
https://twitter.com/mediaastonvilla/status/1601349413552951296?s=46&t=K5CeGBdsYGvnZgbELeUtqw
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 10, 2022, 01:41:25 AM
https://www.lanacion.com.ar/deportes/futbol/seleccion-argentina-un-equipo-que-es-fuerte-como-un-roble-y-actua-con-una-pasion-para-salir-siempre-nid09122022/
Post by: LukeJames on December 10, 2022, 08:08:28 AM
Haha love it. Emi just going mental here
https://twitter.com/mediaastonvilla/status/1601349413552951296?s=46&t=K5CeGBdsYGvnZgbELeUtqw
"keep talking you fucking twat" ;D
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 10, 2022, 08:56:37 AM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on December 10, 2022, 09:46:47 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on December 10, 2022, 09:59:12 AM
Is anyone able to post the penalty saves? I cannot use the BBC link
If you Google 'World Cup', it'll bring up all the results, mate. Click on any game and there'll be highlights.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on December 10, 2022, 12:31:05 PM
Emi - if he played for anyone else, I'd hate him. But he doesn't, so I love him, what a keeper.
Post by: villadelph on December 10, 2022, 01:13:44 PM
I love the guy too but he lacked a bit of class I. That interview. The 10 mins were more that warranted given the amount of time wasting that went on.
Enjoy the victory. No need for the classless commentary.
Oh, please. Cope.
Post by: Nelly on December 10, 2022, 01:36:48 PM
Is anyone able to post the penalty saves? I cannot use the BBC link
They're on here mate:
Post by: The Edge on December 10, 2022, 01:38:07 PM
Post by: wince on December 10, 2022, 05:03:32 PM
Emi is amongst the top 5 goalkeepers in the world and he plays for us. How amazing is that?Shhhhh! Man City might hear!
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 10, 2022, 05:11:59 PM
Open all you like FIFA you shower of hypocritical *#%*#!!!!
Post by: Rigadon on December 10, 2022, 05:39:34 PM
Emi is amongst the top 5 goalkeepers in the world and he plays for us. How amazing is that?Shhhhh! Man City might hear!
Only a matter if time before that kind of shit starts.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 10, 2022, 05:48:38 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 10, 2022, 05:51:14 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 11, 2022, 02:06:40 PM
Post by: AV82EC on December 11, 2022, 03:48:38 PM
Love Emi, but thought he comments after the game the other day were pretty poor. Culture of that Argentina team doesn’t seem great.
I think they were reacting to comments Van Gaal made pre match which had really pissed them off. Apparently several of the Dutch players were also giving it the big one during the game. The focus has been on the Argies and their reactions since the game but I don’t think the Dutch are the shrinking violets they’ve been portrayed.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 11, 2022, 04:23:35 PM
Love Emi, but thought he comments after the game the other day were pretty poor. Culture of that Argentina team doesn’t seem great.
I would say quite the opposite. They seem very united. That first defeat aside they’ve only lost once in something like 40 odd games which included lifting Copa America. They don’t like the Dutch. Not just today but there has been some history there. But Van Gaal and the Dutch players aren’t innocent here so I think the Argentine players are just reacting to that.
Post by: Sdwbvf on December 11, 2022, 04:52:32 PM
Love Emi, but thought he comments after the game the other day were pretty poor. Culture of that Argentina team doesn’t seem great.
I think they were reacting to comments Van Gaal made pre match which had really pissed them off. Apparently several of the Dutch players were also giving it the big one during the game. The focus has been on the Argies and their reactions since the game but I don’t think the Dutch are the shrinking violets they’ve been portrayed.
I agree. The whole Dutch bench piling on the pitch to remonstrate wasn't a good look. The player had only kicked the ball at them. Hard!
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 11, 2022, 05:49:28 PM
Love Emi, but thought he comments after the game the other day were pretty poor. Culture of that Argentina team doesn’t seem great.
I think they were reacting to comments Van Gaal made pre match which had really pissed them off. Apparently several of the Dutch players were also giving it the big one during the game. The focus has been on the Argies and their reactions since the game but I don’t think the Dutch are the shrinking violets they’ve been portrayed.
I agree. The whole Dutch bench piling on the pitch to remonstrate wasn't a good look. The player had only kicked the ball at them. Hard!
It hit an empty seat. No harm done.
Post by: gpbarr on December 13, 2022, 12:50:32 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 13, 2022, 04:04:58 AM
If a Utd player did that at Villa Park, you’d be baying for a red. Get real
We don't have a particular beef with West Ham, Newcastle or Oxford, do we?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 13, 2022, 06:20:49 AM
If a Utd player did that at Villa Park, you’d be baying for a red. Get real
Get real, we'd do that for any non-Villa player. And if a Villa player did it, we'd be cheering them to the rafters.
Post by: nigel on December 13, 2022, 08:04:39 AM
If a Utd player did that at Villa Park, you’d be baying for a red. Get real
Get real, we'd do that for any non-Villa player. And if a Villa player did it, we'd be cheering them to the rafters.
I’m not so sure, mate.
It would depend on who it was, and if they’re flavour of the month.
At the moment if Emi did it, cheers all round.
If McGinn did it, he’d be a w**ker and should receive a red
Post by: Axl Rose on December 13, 2022, 08:20:38 AM
Post by: LeeB on December 13, 2022, 08:49:00 AM
I love Emi, but not the Argentinian national team. I hope Croatia win the whole thing.
No, Nazi collaborators. The French, Vichy ******, and the Argies gave them safe haven. So Morocco are the only team left to support.
Post by: Bad English on December 13, 2022, 09:02:31 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 13, 2022, 09:19:56 AM
Is this an ironic post? Just popped in for a read and it's WW2 again.
Aren’t you French now though?
SHOULDN’T YOU BE HANGING OUT WITH YOUR GERMAN MATES DOWN THE LOCAL BAR, TELLING THEM HOW GREAT THEY ARE?
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 13, 2022, 09:21:04 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on December 13, 2022, 10:17:56 AM
I love Emi, but not the Argentinian national team. I hope Croatia win the whole thing.
No, Nazi collaborators. The French, Vichy ******, and the Argies gave them safe haven. So Morocco are the only team left to support.
Haha. Fair enough. I was just thinking of the Croatian girls I spent time with when I lived in Italy.
They've clouded my judgement :)
Post by: Drummond on December 13, 2022, 10:28:57 AM
Is this an ironic post? Just popped in for a read and it's WW2 again.
Aren’t you French now though?
SHOULDN’T YOU BE HANGING OUT WITH YOUR GERMAN MATES DOWN THE LOCAL BAR, TELLING THEM HOW GREAT THEY ARE?
Don't! I tried the humour thing and it's not big or clever.
Post by: Bad English on December 13, 2022, 11:40:36 AM
Post by: Drummond on December 13, 2022, 02:47:08 PM
Yes. It can bring a man to tears. And we have learnt not to mock that too. :-)
😢
Post by: Risso on December 13, 2022, 02:47:58 PM
Yes. It can bring a man to tears. And we have learnt not to mock that too. :-)
😢
You big French girl.
Post by: Gerrin on December 13, 2022, 08:50:39 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 13, 2022, 08:58:15 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 13, 2022, 08:59:10 PM
Post by: Gerrin on December 13, 2022, 09:02:23 PM
Is Emi the first Villa player to play in a WC final?
I can't recall any others.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 13, 2022, 09:04:13 PM
Post by: The Edge on December 13, 2022, 09:05:56 PM
Is Emi the first Villa player to play in a WC final?Good question. He must surely be the first keeper. I'm sure one of the stattos on here will tell us
Post by: Dogtanian on December 13, 2022, 09:08:10 PM
Post by: Gerrin on December 13, 2022, 09:19:25 PM
He hasn't played in it yet. Most Villa thing ever would be for him to crock himself in training. And no previous player has played in a WC final while playing for Villa.
Ha, that would be so Villa if he missed the final.
Didier Six won the Euros with France in 84, not sure if he officially signed for Villa before or after the tournament though. Don't think he played in the final though.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 13, 2022, 09:23:30 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 13, 2022, 09:25:15 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 13, 2022, 09:25:16 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on December 13, 2022, 10:00:49 PM
Emi joins Platt, Alpay and Vlaar as Villa players to play in a World Cup semi final. And the first to win.
Good quiz question
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 13, 2022, 11:16:38 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 14, 2022, 12:00:12 AM
I’m looking forward to the last few minutes of the final vs France where Emi takes a yellow card killing off time. Then pulls of some sort of heroic save in the 14th minute of time added on to win it for his country. Hip thrusts, waving the middle finger, calling Van Gaal a wanker, maximum shithousery.
Then throws the ball out for a throw and drops to the floor rubbing his ankle.
Post by: darren woolley on December 14, 2022, 09:23:08 AM
Post by: Bad English on December 14, 2022, 11:31:31 AM
I might have a quiet sob now.Yes. It can bring a man to tears. And we have learnt not to mock that too. :-)
😢
You big French girl.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 14, 2022, 11:46:45 AM
If a Utd player did that at Villa Park, you’d be baying for a red. Get real
Get real, we'd do that for any non-Villa player. And if a Villa player did it, we'd be cheering them to the rafters.
I’m not so sure, mate.
It would depend on who it was, and if they’re flavour of the month.
At the moment if Emi did it, cheers all round.
If McGinn did it, he’d be a w**ker and should receive a red
When Gabby did it into the noses section at VP it received and rightly so sumptuous applause.
Post by: Dogtanian on December 14, 2022, 11:55:57 AM
I can't for the life of me remember who it was.
Post by: bob on December 14, 2022, 12:50:47 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 14, 2022, 12:52:39 PM
Post by: bob on December 14, 2022, 12:53:14 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 14, 2022, 12:57:05 PM
Love him but it would be best to cash in now.
What? Why don’t we just sell all our best players and play in the Championship. Just accept our place in the food chain. What a defeatist attitude.
Post by: dave shelley on December 14, 2022, 12:59:45 PM
Post by: bob on December 14, 2022, 01:01:11 PM
He hasn't been as good lately as last season.
Decent chance he would like to move to a Champions League club.
Some chance he and Emery might not have the greatest relationship.
Makes sense all round.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 14, 2022, 01:03:08 PM
Post by: bob on December 14, 2022, 01:08:57 PM
As far as I know, AVFC at least, still have to comply with FFP, so all the more reason to move him on.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 14, 2022, 01:27:03 PM
Would it fuck. He will go on to be the best goalkeeper in our history.Nah.
Post by: chrisw1 on December 14, 2022, 01:36:56 PM
We'll get a Grealish-like fee, way above his true market value.It doesn't make sense all round.
He hasn't been as good lately as last season.
Decent chance he would like to move to a Champions League club.
Some chance he and Emery might not have the greatest relationship.
Makes sense all round.
All great teams need a great keeper. It's a very difficult part of the jigsaw to get right - look at the keepers we've been through in the last 10 years.
Emi is happy we've revived his career. He's fiercely competitive and wants to win, but he's also loyal and likes it at Villa and knows he'll be undisputed No1 for the forseeable future. We've been good for eachother and he can see we're building something. I think he'll stay for a few more years.
Post by: Pete3206 on December 14, 2022, 01:37:57 PM
Love him but it would be best to cash in now.
Nope
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 14, 2022, 01:41:59 PM
So you have spoken with him then?We'll get a Grealish-like fee, way above his true market value.It doesn't make sense all round.
He hasn't been as good lately as last season.
Decent chance he would like to move to a Champions League club.
Some chance he and Emery might not have the greatest relationship.
Makes sense all round.
All great teams need a great keeper. It's a very difficult part of the jigsaw to get right - look at the keepers we've been through in the last 10 years.
Emi is happy we've revived his career. He's fiercely competitive and wants to win, but he's also loyal and likes it at Villa and knows he'll be undisputed No1 for the forseeable future. We've been good for eachother and he can see we're building something. I think he'll stay for a few more years.
When are you next meeting up ?
Post by: chrisw1 on December 14, 2022, 01:44:53 PM
wtf is that supposed to mean? He's said he's happy a Villa a number of times. The rest is in plain sight. No need to be obtuse.So you have spoken with him then?We'll get a Grealish-like fee, way above his true market value.It doesn't make sense all round.
He hasn't been as good lately as last season.
Decent chance he would like to move to a Champions League club.
Some chance he and Emery might not have the greatest relationship.
Makes sense all round.
All great teams need a great keeper. It's a very difficult part of the jigsaw to get right - look at the keepers we've been through in the last 10 years.
Emi is happy we've revived his career. He's fiercely competitive and wants to win, but he's also loyal and likes it at Villa and knows he'll be undisputed No1 for the forseeable future. We've been good for eachother and he can see we're building something. I think he'll stay for a few more years.
When are you next meeting up ?
Post by: Dogtanian on December 14, 2022, 01:48:36 PM
The best players often leave mid-table teams because they don't want to spend a career and not win anything.
Edit: oooops!
Post by: bob on December 14, 2022, 01:48:41 PM
wtf is that supposed to mean? He's said he's happy a Villa a number of times. The rest is in plain sight. No need to be obtuse.So you have spoken with him then?We'll get a Grealish-like fee, way above his true market value.It doesn't make sense all round.
He hasn't been as good lately as last season.
Decent chance he would like to move to a Champions League club.
Some chance he and Emery might not have the greatest relationship.
Makes sense all round.
All great teams need a great keeper. It's a very difficult part of the jigsaw to get right - look at the keepers we've been through in the last 10 years.
Emi is happy we've revived his career. He's fiercely competitive and wants to win, but he's also loyal and likes it at Villa and knows he'll be undisputed No1 for the forseeable future. We've been good for eachother and he can see we're building something. I think he'll stay for a few more years.
When are you next meeting up ?
You are assuming a lot
Post by: bob on December 14, 2022, 01:50:18 PM
Emi could be about to lift the World Cup. We can't take credit for that, but we've played a big part in getting him to where he needed to be to start that journey. I don't think he's going to immediately jump ship just because he's got a World Cup medal and higher profile.
The best players often leave mid-table teams because they don't want to spend a career and not win anything. He's already got both top international trophies and an FA Cup to his name. He really only needs a league title and the Champions league and he's got the set. He's got the rest of his career to do that so I don't think he'll be in a massive hurry to kick on unless he felt we weren't going anywhere or helping him develop.
He ain't won the world cup yet dog
Post by: Dogtanian on December 14, 2022, 01:52:15 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 14, 2022, 01:54:12 PM
wtf is that supposed to mean? He's said he's happy a Villa a number of times. The rest is in plain sight. No need to be obtuse.So you have spoken with him then?We'll get a Grealish-like fee, way above his true market value.It doesn't make sense all round.
He hasn't been as good lately as last season.
Decent chance he would like to move to a Champions League club.
Some chance he and Emery might not have the greatest relationship.
Makes sense all round.
All great teams need a great keeper. It's a very difficult part of the jigsaw to get right - look at the keepers we've been through in the last 10 years.
Emi is happy we've revived his career. He's fiercely competitive and wants to win, but he's also loyal and likes it at Villa and knows he'll be undisputed No1 for the forseeable future. We've been good for eachother and he can see we're building something. I think he'll stay for a few more years.
When are you next meeting up ?
Can you check he has goy my Messi signed shirt while you are at it.
Post by: chrisw1 on December 14, 2022, 01:57:29 PM
Fuck off Chicago, you're acting like a right prick. It's a forum about opinions. All I've said is he's happy at Villa which he's said himself a number of times. Why are you going off on one about that?Can you check he has goy my Messi signed shirt while you are at it.wtf is that supposed to mean? He's said he's happy a Villa a number of times. The rest is in plain sight. No need to be obtuse.So you have spoken with him then?We'll get a Grealish-like fee, way above his true market value.It doesn't make sense all round.
He hasn't been as good lately as last season.
Decent chance he would like to move to a Champions League club.
Some chance he and Emery might not have the greatest relationship.
Makes sense all round.
All great teams need a great keeper. It's a very difficult part of the jigsaw to get right - look at the keepers we've been through in the last 10 years.
Emi is happy we've revived his career. He's fiercely competitive and wants to win, but he's also loyal and likes it at Villa and knows he'll be undisputed No1 for the forseeable future. We've been good for eachother and he can see we're building something. I think he'll stay for a few more years.
When are you next meeting up ?
Post by: paul_e on December 14, 2022, 02:02:26 PM
wtf is that supposed to mean? He's said he's happy a Villa a number of times. The rest is in plain sight. No need to be obtuse.
You are assuming a lot
and you didn't?
We'll get a Grealish-like fee, way above his true market value.
He hasn't been as good lately as last season.
Decent chance he would like to move to a Champions League club.
Some chance he and Emery might not have the greatest relationship.
Makes sense all round.
Post by: bob on December 14, 2022, 02:07:34 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 14, 2022, 02:10:57 PM
I am not going off on one. You have made statements that only someone close to the player could make.Fuck off Chicago, you're acting like a right prick. It's a forum about opinions. All I've said is he's happy at Villa which he's said himself a number of times. Why are you going off on one about that?Can you check he has goy my Messi signed shirt while you are at it.wtf is that supposed to mean? He's said he's happy a Villa a number of times. The rest is in plain sight. No need to be obtuse.So you have spoken with him then?We'll get a Grealish-like fee, way above his true market value.It doesn't make sense all round.
He hasn't been as good lately as last season.
Decent chance he would like to move to a Champions League club.
Some chance he and Emery might not have the greatest relationship.
Makes sense all round.
All great teams need a great keeper. It's a very difficult part of the jigsaw to get right - look at the keepers we've been through in the last 10 years.
Emi is happy we've revived his career. He's fiercely competitive and wants to win, but he's also loyal and likes it at Villa and knows he'll be undisputed No1 for the forseeable future. We've been good for eachother and he can see we're building something. I think he'll stay for a few more years.
When are you next meeting up ?
Then you have had a complete sense of humour failure and been abusive.
You are very sad.
Post by: bob on December 14, 2022, 02:12:29 PM
Fuck off Chicago, you're acting like a right prick. It's a forum about opinions. All I've said is he's happy at Villa which he's said himself a number of times. Why are you going off on one about that?Can you check he has goy my Messi signed shirt while you are at it.wtf is that supposed to mean? He's said he's happy a Villa a number of times. The rest is in plain sight. No need to be obtuse.So you have spoken with him then?We'll get a Grealish-like fee, way above his true market value.It doesn't make sense all round.
He hasn't been as good lately as last season.
Decent chance he would like to move to a Champions League club.
Some chance he and Emery might not have the greatest relationship.
Makes sense all round.
All great teams need a great keeper. It's a very difficult part of the jigsaw to get right - look at the keepers we've been through in the last 10 years.
Emi is happy we've revived his career. He's fiercely competitive and wants to win, but he's also loyal and likes it at Villa and knows he'll be undisputed No1 for the forseeable future. We've been good for eachother and he can see we're building something. I think he'll stay for a few more years.
When are you next meeting up ?
It's a forum about opinions unless you disagree with me
Post by: Dave on December 14, 2022, 02:17:43 PM
I am not going off on one. You have made statements that only someone close to the player could make.Fuck off Chicago, you're acting like a right prick. It's a forum about opinions. All I've said is he's happy at Villa which he's said himself a number of times. Why are you going off on one about that?Can you check he has goy my Messi signed shirt while you are at it.wtf is that supposed to mean? He's said he's happy a Villa a number of times. The rest is in plain sight. No need to be obtuse.So you have spoken with him then?We'll get a Grealish-like fee, way above his true market value.It doesn't make sense all round.
He hasn't been as good lately as last season.
Decent chance he would like to move to a Champions League club.
Some chance he and Emery might not have the greatest relationship.
Makes sense all round.
All great teams need a great keeper. It's a very difficult part of the jigsaw to get right - look at the keepers we've been through in the last 10 years.
Emi is happy we've revived his career. He's fiercely competitive and wants to win, but he's also loyal and likes it at Villa and knows he'll be undisputed No1 for the forseeable future. We've been good for eachother and he can see we're building something. I think he'll stay for a few more years.
When are you next meeting up ?
Then you have had a complete sense of humour failure and been abusive.
You are very sad.
How about everyone just take a deep breath and be a bit nicer to each other?
Thanks.
Post by: Nev on December 14, 2022, 02:17:56 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 14, 2022, 02:18:17 PM
Post by: paul_e on December 14, 2022, 02:18:54 PM
I made it clear they were my assumptions and that they weren't guarantees
they're still assumptions, as are Chris', he's made assumptions based on what we've heard from Martinez directly in variuos interviews, you've made assumptions on what other players have done and rumours. I'm not saying either of you are right or wrong but calling him out on making assumptions is, at best, hypocritical given the post you made to start the conversation.
For what it's worth selling him doesn't make sense at all unless:
He becomes the most expensive keeper of all time.
He pushes for a move and forces our hand (which would be hard to do and pretty unlikely - Given he's contracted until 2027).
He has a clause that takes it out of our hands.
Even if one of those is true he won't be going anywhere before we have a replacement because leaving ourselves with Olsen and a semi-fit Steer as the options would throw us completely off course for where we're clearly aiming with Emery.
Post by: chrisw1 on December 14, 2022, 02:20:14 PM
I am not going off on one. You have made statements that only someone close to the player could make.
Then you have had a complete sense of humour failure and been abusive.
You are very sad.
Which do you disagree with -
1. He's fiercely competitive and wants to win
2. he's loyal
3. he likes it at Villa
4. he knows he'll be undisputed No1 for the forseeable future
Which of those comments would require me to know the player personally?
I take it I'll never see a post again from you speculating on anything anyone may think or may do unless ytou know them personally? I hope not.
ps - soryy Dave & Dave - typed and posted before I saw your posts
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 14, 2022, 02:22:20 PM
see above.I am not going off on one. You have made statements that only someone close to the player could make.
Then you have had a complete sense of humour failure and been abusive.
You are very sad.
Which do you disagree with -
1. He's fiercely competitive and wants to win
2. he's loyal
3. he likes it at Villa
4. he knows he'll be undisputed No1 for the forseeable future
Which of those would comments would I have to know the player personally to make?
I take it I'll never see a post again from you speculating on anything anyone may think or may do unless ytou know them personally? I hope not.
ps - soryy Dave & Dave - typed and posted before I saw your posts
No comment
Post by: Dave on December 14, 2022, 02:24:55 PM
For what it's worth selling him doesn't make sense at all unless:
He becomes the most expensive keeper of all time.
He pushes for a move and forces our hand (which would be hard to do and pretty unlikely - Given he's contracted until 2027).
He has a clause that takes it out of our hands.
Even if one of those is true he won't be going anywhere before we have a replacement because leaving ourselves with Olsen and a semi-fit Steer as the options would throw us completely off course for where we're clearly aiming with Emery.
Also, where would he go? With only one or two exceptions, the sort of club that would be spending £80m on a goalkeeper are pretty set with a 25-32 year old keeper that they seem pretty happy with.
Bayern are the only team that I reckon really need a new one in the next couple of years, and they don't strike me as the sort of team to throw that sort of money at a keeper.
Post by: paul_e on December 14, 2022, 02:32:50 PM
For what it's worth selling him doesn't make sense at all unless:
He becomes the most expensive keeper of all time.
He pushes for a move and forces our hand (which would be hard to do and pretty unlikely - Given he's contracted until 2027).
He has a clause that takes it out of our hands.
Even if one of those is true he won't be going anywhere before we have a replacement because leaving ourselves with Olsen and a semi-fit Steer as the options would throw us completely off course for where we're clearly aiming with Emery.
Also, where would he go? With only one or two exceptions, the sort of club that would be spending £80m on a goalkeeper are pretty set with a 25-32 year old keeper that they seem pretty happy with.
Bayern are the only team that I reckon really need a new one in the next couple of years, and they don't strike me as the sort of team to throw that sort of money at a keeper.
I very nearly put something in about that as well but I figured it'd be covered by the first point in that the teams that can afford him probably don't need him right now.
Post by: Risso on December 14, 2022, 02:37:26 PM
He's loved here
We're ambitious
We've got a great manager
We're going to buy some good players
He's going nowhere
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 14, 2022, 02:55:14 PM
Oh he’s a bit mad also. But we all know that.
https://twitter.com/finoyossen/status/1602806024737390594?s=46&t=e_QOOxphZiQvvvsMMHt-NQ
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on December 14, 2022, 03:04:33 PM
Is it only me that gets annoyed with the shithousing and time-wasting though? It pisses me off when other teams do it, and I don't like Villa stooping to it either.
Agree he shouldn't and won't be sold though.
Post by: bob on December 14, 2022, 03:16:54 PM
He is a very good keeper.
Is it only me that gets annoyed with the shithousing and time-wasting though? It pisses me off when other teams do it, and I don't like Villa stooping to it either.
Agree he shouldn't and won't be sold though.
His shithousing is something that sets him apart, it's an important part of the game unfortunately.
We could coach another keeper to do a bit of it.
We need to spend a lot of money on several new players. Selling him would be good for AVFC.
Post by: paul_e on December 14, 2022, 03:24:06 PM
He is a very good keeper.
Is it only me that gets annoyed with the shithousing and time-wasting though? It pisses me off when other teams do it, and I don't like Villa stooping to it either.
Agree he shouldn't and won't be sold though.
His shithousing is something that sets him apart, it's an important part of the game unfortunately.
We could coach another keeper to do a bit of it.
We need to spend a lot of money on several new players. Selling him would be good for AVFC.
No, it really wouldn't, it's very rare for teams to sell a key player of that sort of ability and improve (regardless of how much money comes in), it also cements the idea that good players leave us as soon as they can. We've done fantastic work (with Luiz) of showing that we won't be fucked with and we can get players who are wanted elsewhere to commit to us, letting Martinez go anytime soon destroys that.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 14, 2022, 03:26:30 PM
He is a very good keeper.
Is it only me that gets annoyed with the shithousing and time-wasting though? It pisses me off when other teams do it, and I don't like Villa stooping to it either.
No, we've been far too nice for most of the time I've supported us. Not many nice teams win things, sadly. If his shithousing is the difference between us winning one-nil and conceding a late equaliser, I will take it every time.
Will I still moan like fuck when other teams do it against us? Of course. 🙂
Post by: chrisw1 on December 14, 2022, 03:28:55 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 14, 2022, 03:37:51 PM
Post by: wince on December 14, 2022, 04:33:18 PM
No need to sell him (hopefully gone are the days we are that club selling the family silver)
He is like Bosnich the 2nd
I like his attitude
He loves the Villa
He is going nowhere and we dont need to sell him.
There will be rumours aplenty about him wanting to leave but he hasnt won the world cup yet but what a great thing for him if he does win it! Good luck Emi!
Post by: Baldy on December 14, 2022, 05:02:45 PM
He has had a decent world cup, but apart from one penalty shoot out, I can not remember him having to make any world class saves.
Without Messi, Argentina are no great shakes!! I am not sure there will be a mad rush for many Argentinian signatures. :)
Post by: Dave on December 14, 2022, 05:05:27 PM
He has had a decent world cup, but apart from one penalty shoot out, I can not remember him having to make any world class saves.
Last minute against Australia.
Post by: Drummond on December 14, 2022, 05:22:22 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 14, 2022, 05:28:46 PM
He has had a decent world cup, but apart from one penalty shoot out, I can not remember him having to make any world class saves.
Last minute against Australia.
And the free kick Vs Mexico.
Post by: DrGonzo on December 14, 2022, 05:38:32 PM
Juventus want to swap him with Weston McKennie...... apparently.
Like for like!
Would love McKennie at VP but not at that price.
Post by: chrisw1 on December 14, 2022, 05:50:51 PM
https://twitter.com/WhatTheForkLads/status/1602791111625523202?s=20&t=OJfoD7ejch4yT-ILK3lEaQ
Post by: Baldy on December 14, 2022, 06:59:19 PM
He has had a decent world cup, but apart from one penalty shoot out, I can not remember him having to make any world class saves.
Last minute against Australia.
And the free kick Vs Mexico.
The free kick against Mexico was so easy he caught it with both hands and the Australian save was a block from a difficult angle. Hardly world class. I would expect any professional goalie to save those.
Anyways, I hope he stays at the Villa.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 14, 2022, 07:45:06 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on December 14, 2022, 08:29:35 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2022, 08:39:20 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 14, 2022, 08:46:54 PM
It does amaze me how quick on here people become convinced that anyone we have who shows improvement is automatically on the way out to a bigger pond. Just because it’s happened before doesn’t mean it definitely will happen again. But i suppose if there are teams out there who want to spend very big on a 30 year old player their current keeper must be sub standard. No top half team’s keeper springs to mind.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 14, 2022, 08:54:04 PM
He has had a decent world cup, but apart from one penalty shoot out, I can not remember him having to make any world class saves.
Last minute against Australia.
And the free kick Vs Mexico.
The free kick against Mexico was so easy he caught it with both hands and the Australian save was a block from a difficult angle. Hardly world class. I would expect any professional goalie to save those.
Anyways, I hope he stays at the Villa.
Nonsense. The Mexico free kick was destined for the top corner and he held it with both hands. It was an incredible save.
Post by: paul_e on December 14, 2022, 08:56:42 PM
He’s a professional and will just get on with it.
It does amaze me how quick on here people become convinced that anyone we have who shows improvement is automatically on the way out to a bigger pond. Just because it’s happened before doesn’t mean it definitely will happen again. But i suppose if there are teams out there who want to spend very big on a 30 year old player their current keeper must be sub standard. No top half team’s keeper springs to mind.
There's a very narrow sweet spot between players being too good and will want to leave and being shit and need to be replaced. Some players regularly bounce between the 2.
Post by: Baldy on December 14, 2022, 09:19:53 PM
He has had a decent world cup, but apart from one penalty shoot out, I can not remember him having to make any world class saves.
Last minute against Australia.
And the free kick Vs Mexico.
The free kick against Mexico was so easy he caught it with both hands and the Australian save was a block from a difficult angle. Hardly world class. I would expect any professional goalie to save those.
Anyways, I hope he stays at the Villa.
Nonsense. The Mexico free kick was destined for the top corner and he held it with both hands. It was an incredible save.
Beg to differ. Twas routine. But hey, only an opinion.
His agent will be on the phone to Villa next Monday, I hope we improve his contract to stave off any interest.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 14, 2022, 09:22:39 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 14, 2022, 10:01:26 PM
Post by: Baldy on December 14, 2022, 11:00:04 PM
He signed a new five year deal in January.
Good stuff, cheers
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 14, 2022, 11:29:59 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 14, 2022, 11:58:53 PM
Post by: Hillbilly on December 15, 2022, 04:57:44 AM
Post by: LeeB on December 15, 2022, 09:04:36 AM
We sell our best players faster than the club does
A supporter base that's still conditioned by decades of Doug.
Post by: Dogtanian on December 15, 2022, 09:08:26 AM
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on December 15, 2022, 01:43:05 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on December 15, 2022, 01:43:39 PM
Will he be the first Villa player to play in a World Cup final?Yes
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 15, 2022, 01:44:56 PM
Robert Pires and Lovre Kalinić were both unused subs and Mana Iwabuchi played one minute of a World Cup Final, all before signing for Villa.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 15, 2022, 01:56:52 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 15, 2022, 01:58:01 PM
Post by: olaftab on December 15, 2022, 02:57:12 PM
What odds on Martinez gifting the match to France by scoring a comedy own goal?No chance, he doesn't do that.
Post by: Risso on December 16, 2022, 11:21:15 AM
What odds on Martinez gifting the match to France by scoring a comedy own goal?No chance, he doesn't do that.
He chucked one in at home against Man U.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 16, 2022, 04:22:13 PM
Post by: Drummond on December 16, 2022, 04:52:12 PM
I am guessing Emi will be the first Villa player to play in a World Cup Final?
Did I already do my deja-vu joke?
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 17, 2022, 08:28:21 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on December 18, 2022, 09:25:00 AM
Post by: thick_mike on December 18, 2022, 12:54:27 PM
We did have Neil Rioch who was a ball boy at the 1966 world cup final - does that count?
That’s a great fact!
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 18, 2022, 01:07:10 PM
We did have Neil Rioch who was a ball boy at the 1966 world cup final - does that count?
That’s a great fact!
He was the first Englishman to touch the ball.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 18, 2022, 01:47:04 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 18, 2022, 01:50:17 PM
We did have Neil Rioch who was a ball boy at the 1966 world cup final - does that count?
That’s a great fact!
He was the first Englishman to touch the ball.
I wouldn't imagine that he considers himself an Englishman.
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 18, 2022, 04:06:31 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 18, 2022, 05:58:15 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 18, 2022, 06:00:22 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on December 18, 2022, 06:02:20 PM
The shithouser supreme.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on December 18, 2022, 06:03:13 PM
Post by: andyh on December 18, 2022, 06:06:20 PM
Radio 5 commentators mildly criticising Dibu for throwing the ball away from the Froggie before he put it past the post.I presume you mean Frenchman ?
The shithouser supreme.
Post by: Villafirst on December 18, 2022, 06:08:21 PM
Post by: BC Villain on December 18, 2022, 06:09:50 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 18, 2022, 06:10:22 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on December 18, 2022, 06:13:37 PM
Post by: BC Villain on December 18, 2022, 06:13:45 PM
He's going nowhere. Well done Emi.
Hope your right, but can't see it sadly. He's probably too good for where we are as a club at the moment
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2022, 06:15:03 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 18, 2022, 06:15:52 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on December 18, 2022, 06:19:02 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 18, 2022, 06:20:17 PM
Who will sign him? Can't think of anyone above us in the pecking order that is desperate for a goalie and would pay the ridiculous fee we would ask for. He signed a new five year contract in January, he had already won Copa America and cemented his position as one of the best in the world by then.
Tottenham maybe? Levy will offer £10 million and some Argos vouchers.
Messi made his name with us, he was nowhere near the Argentina first team before. Now he’s integral. He can have another 5+ years with us easily.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2022, 06:21:34 PM
Who will sign him? Can't think of anyone above us in the pecking order that is desperate for a goalie and would pay the ridiculous fee we would ask for. He signed a new five year contract in January, he had already won Copa America and cemented his position as one of the best in the world by then.
Tottenham maybe? Levy will offer £10 million and some Argos vouchers.
Messi made his name with us, he was nowhere near the Argentina first team before. Now he’s integral. He can have another 5+ years with us easily.
I must have missed that!
Post by: Beard82 on December 18, 2022, 06:22:17 PM
Who will sign him? Can't think of anyone above us in the pecking order that is desperate for a goalie and would pay the ridiculous fee we would ask for. He signed a new five year contract in January, he had already won Copa America and cemented his position as one of the best in the world by then.Also - the teams that can afford him - he doesn’t suit the sweeper keeper role they look for
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 18, 2022, 06:22:55 PM
Who will sign him? Can't think of anyone above us in the pecking order that is desperate for a goalie and would pay the ridiculous fee we would ask for. He signed a new five year contract in January, he had already won Copa America and cemented his position as one of the best in the world by then.
IIRC his wife has a successful home design business in London, I can't see her wanting to give it up. They have more money than they'll ever need, the kids are settled, it will always be a family decision and let's face it, Emi has won the two things he wanted more since he joined Villa. He's going no where.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2022, 06:23:05 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 18, 2022, 06:24:03 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2022, 06:24:51 PM
Post by: Beard82 on December 18, 2022, 06:25:33 PM
To be fair - he had to move on when cos he knew he wouldn’t get ahead of the Moore brothersWho will sign him? Can't think of anyone above us in the pecking order that is desperate for a goalie and would pay the ridiculous fee we would ask for. He signed a new five year contract in January, he had already won Copa America and cemented his position as one of the best in the world by then.
Tottenham maybe? Levy will offer £10 million and some Argos vouchers.
Messi made his name with us, he was nowhere near the Argentina first team before. Now he’s integral. He can have another 5+ years with us easily.
I must have missed that!
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 18, 2022, 06:27:04 PM
To be fair - he had to move on when cos he knew he wouldn’t get ahead of the Moore brothersWho will sign him? Can't think of anyone above us in the pecking order that is desperate for a goalie and would pay the ridiculous fee we would ask for. He signed a new five year contract in January, he had already won Copa America and cemented his position as one of the best in the world by then.
Tottenham maybe? Levy will offer £10 million and some Argos vouchers.
Messi made his name with us, he was nowhere near the Argentina first team before. Now he’s integral. He can have another 5+ years with us easily.
I must have missed that!
Ooops! I meant Emi but of course you knew that.
Post by: LukeJames on December 18, 2022, 06:28:15 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 18, 2022, 06:29:18 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 18, 2022, 06:29:25 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 18, 2022, 06:29:30 PM
Wins Golden Glove award.
I might be wrong but I think he might be the first Villa player ever to do so.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 18, 2022, 06:29:56 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 18, 2022, 06:31:09 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on December 18, 2022, 06:31:40 PM
Doesn't Mbappe get the match ball as well as the Golden Boot for scoring the hat-trick? Would he want it anyway?
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 18, 2022, 06:32:48 PM
Well deserved. UTV!
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 18, 2022, 06:35:04 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2022, 06:35:59 PM
'You'll never win that' to every opposition keeper we play.
Apart from Spurs.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 18, 2022, 06:35:59 PM
Post by: Bad English on December 18, 2022, 06:40:21 PM
...from the Froggie before he...Righto! You lobster-skinned, suet-pudding arsed div!
Post by: tomd2103 on December 18, 2022, 06:43:16 PM
Post by: Allan C on December 18, 2022, 06:47:29 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2022, 06:49:59 PM
Post by: luke95 on December 18, 2022, 06:51:17 PM
Be nice if he got to bring the trophies along to Villa Park one game.
Post by: UK Redsox on December 18, 2022, 06:52:36 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on December 18, 2022, 06:53:42 PM
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2022, 06:53:54 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 18, 2022, 06:55:14 PM
'You'll never win that' to every opposition keeper we play.
Apart from Spurs.
Ahh! I preferred your other bit of trivia regarding Emi.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 18, 2022, 07:03:34 PM
Our Emi. Nutter
Post by: steamer on December 18, 2022, 07:03:52 PM
As opposed to poor old Jeff Astle who lost it
Post by: rougegorge on December 18, 2022, 07:08:15 PM
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2022, 07:12:24 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/c66q2Qc/F08291-ED-A793-4-FA3-8-F75-3-ECFD2935-FB0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c66q2Qc)
Our Emi. Nutter
That’s one happy and very unhappy person in one photo!
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2022, 07:14:06 PM
I like him as a keeper, happy he is our keeper and he seems a nice bloke, but if we came up against his antics he'd get so much stick on here.But that’s the rule of football. Until he’s not ours, he’s our Legend.
Post by: Mister E on December 18, 2022, 07:26:12 PM
I was tempted to get very upset but realised it wasn't worth it!
Post by: SaddVillan on December 18, 2022, 07:30:16 PM
When you’re a player who doesn’t take penalties regularly, when you step up against him he smells your doubt, he feels your fear and he makes you sweat.
He’s in your head and he’ll be in your nightmares, that’s the mentality monster you've got in front of you.
Be prepared to be shithoused by THE master of the dark art.
Post by: wince on December 18, 2022, 07:31:38 PM
Well deserved Emi. Make the most of him, as I fear he will be gone soon.Behave. He is going nowhere
Post by: DB on December 18, 2022, 07:38:25 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 18, 2022, 07:38:59 PM
Post by: joe_c on December 18, 2022, 07:40:06 PM
This might be my worst hot take since suggesting Paul Jewell might be worth a punt as manager.Anyone else thinking "£17m for a 28 year old reserve with 15 appearances over six years, WTF?" or is it just me? This is more a comment on the madness of the market than the player who seems extremely solid in terms of ability and personality.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/familyguy/images/3/33/Buzz_Killington.jpg)
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2022, 07:46:28 PM
Post by: nigel on December 18, 2022, 07:50:21 PM
Post by: darren woolley on December 18, 2022, 07:50:43 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 18, 2022, 07:51:33 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/yQTYWFq/A7-A3-E54-D-3413-4-E2-A-B077-8-A927533-DF2-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yQTYWFq)
Post by: nigel on December 18, 2022, 07:52:58 PM
This might be amongst the most important (non penalty) saves he will ever make in his career
(https://i.ibb.co/yQTYWFq/A7-A3-E54-D-3413-4-E2-A-B077-8-A927533-DF2-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yQTYWFq)
Has to be up there as save of the tournament.
Brilliant save
Post by: Mellin on December 18, 2022, 08:00:39 PM
Post by: Marton on December 18, 2022, 08:07:39 PM
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on December 18, 2022, 08:12:00 PM
So when Man U comes calling and wants to upgrade deGea in the next window (or summer one)....how much we getting for him?
Man Utd? If he goes anywhere it’ll be to a decent club, don’t worry about that.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 18, 2022, 08:40:53 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on December 18, 2022, 08:45:04 PM
He’ll be linked with a load of clubs in the coming days.
The "ESL Big Six" all pretty much have top quality keepers, so can't see him being linked to one of those clubs. Don't follow enough Spanish football to know what the keeper situation is at the two Madrid teams and Barcelona.
He's been one of the best buys we have made in the last couple of decades.
Post by: Risso on December 18, 2022, 08:45:40 PM
Post by: TelfordVilla on December 18, 2022, 08:48:37 PM
Post by: Risso on December 18, 2022, 08:51:03 PM
It's tough attracting a quality number 2 when the number 1 is so good that the number 2 is unlikely to get any game time at all
It'd be tough to attract one who'd be shitter than Olsen.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 18, 2022, 09:07:53 PM
Post by: charlatan on December 18, 2022, 09:11:01 PM
It's tough attracting a quality number 2 when the number 1 is so good that the number 2 is unlikely to get any game time at all
It'd be tough to attract one who'd be shitter than Olsen.
Recent history suggests maybe not.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 18, 2022, 09:11:07 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on December 18, 2022, 09:31:53 PM
Post by: maidstonevillain on December 18, 2022, 09:46:56 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 18, 2022, 09:53:06 PM
https://www.readingfc.co.uk/news/2022/december/18/an-open-letter-to-emi-martinez-/I like that.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2022, 09:58:22 PM
https://www.readingfc.co.uk/news/2022/december/18/an-open-letter-to-emi-martinez-/
I think I need to go out for a walk. That made me emotional.
Post by: Legion on December 18, 2022, 09:58:57 PM
This might be amongst the most important (non penalty) saves he will ever make in his career
(https://i.ibb.co/yQTYWFq/A7-A3-E54-D-3413-4-E2-A-B077-8-A927533-DF2-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yQTYWFq)
Has to be up there as save of the tournament.
Brilliant save
Save of the season for me, given the context of the match.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2022, 10:00:39 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64019545
Post by: Legion on December 18, 2022, 10:00:55 PM
https://www.readingfc.co.uk/news/2022/december/18/an-open-letter-to-emi-martinez-/
Wonderful.
Post by: purpletrousers on December 18, 2022, 10:00:59 PM
We did have Neil Rioch who was a ball boy at the 1966 world cup final - does that count?
That’s a great fact!
He was the first Englishman to touch the ball.
I wouldn't imagine that he considers himself an Englishman.
Bruce played for Scotland, Neil capped for England youth.
Didn’t realise (before my time) both were on my adopted Luton’s books
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 18, 2022, 10:03:32 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 18, 2022, 10:06:57 PM
https://www.readingfc.co.uk/news/2022/december/18/an-open-letter-to-emi-martinez-/
Brilliant stuff from Reading.
Post by: OCD on December 18, 2022, 10:08:16 PM
This might be amongst the most important (non penalty) saves he will ever make in his career
(https://i.ibb.co/yQTYWFq/A7-A3-E54-D-3413-4-E2-A-B077-8-A927533-DF2-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yQTYWFq)
I imagine this will be Argentina's equivalent to the Gordon Banks save in 1970. Absolutely amazing save that stopped France from winning the World Cup in near enough the last minute of Extra Time and force penalties, where to be honest, I think most people would have said favoured Argentina. Truly memorable moment in time.
Post by: brontebilly on December 18, 2022, 10:21:10 PM
Post by: Hillbilly on December 18, 2022, 10:28:31 PM
https://www.readingfc.co.uk/news/2022/december/18/an-open-letter-to-emi-martinez-/
Success has many fathers, failure is an orphan.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 18, 2022, 10:39:26 PM
"Emi stars in (World Cup) Final that will forever be Messi's (World) Cup."
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 18, 2022, 10:55:31 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 18, 2022, 10:57:15 PM
Where has Dibu come from?
https://mobile.twitter.com/luism8989/status/1412741954224394249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1412741954224394249%7Ctwgr%5E372f1fa9ae082525d3295d588be82cbc4fb11008%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportingnews.com%2Fuk%2Fsoccer%2Fnews%2Femiliano-martinez-nickname-dibu-argentina-goalkeeper%2Fxb1huejsd4dekppol81gmo1y
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 18, 2022, 11:01:35 PM
Where has Dibu come from?
https://mobile.twitter.com/luism8989/status/1412741954224394249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1412741954224394249%7Ctwgr%5E372f1fa9ae082525d3295d588be82cbc4fb11008%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportingnews.com%2Fuk%2Fsoccer%2Fnews%2Femiliano-martinez-nickname-dibu-argentina-goalkeeper%2Fxb1huejsd4dekppol81gmo1y
Thanks, I’ve only seen it mentioned today.
Post by: Flin5tone on December 18, 2022, 11:04:33 PM
I expect now he's won it we'll be losing him in the summer now the elite will be after him.
We REALLY need a better back up anyway as Olsen is terrible
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 18, 2022, 11:07:13 PM
A good tournament for him and Argentina but his actions at the end let himself,his country and his club down. You should not be acting like a 12 year old on the world stage. Show some respect.
I expect now he's won it we'll be losing him in the summer now the elite will be after him.
We REALLY need a better back up anyway as Olsen is terrible
Let his country down?
Post by: Legion on December 18, 2022, 11:13:18 PM
A good tournament for him and Argentina but his actions at the end let himself,his country and his club down. You should not be acting like a 12 year old on the world stage. Show some respect.
I expect now he's won it we'll be losing him in the summer now the elite will be after him.
We REALLY need a better back up anyway as Olsen is terrible
Did they? Really?
Nope. We are the elite.
Agreed.
Post by: Legion on December 18, 2022, 11:14:55 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2022, 11:16:12 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 18, 2022, 11:16:55 PM
A good tournament for him and Argentina but his actions at the end let himself,his country and his club down. You should not be acting like a 12 year old on the world stage. Show some respect.
I expect now he's won it we'll be losing him in the summer now the elite will be after him.
We REALLY need a better back up anyway as Olsen is terrible
Any thoughts on the Brighton win, bab? You posted after Brighton took the lead but then, I assume, must have had internet issues. You also forgot to comment on the Man U win.
Must have been the excitement. I've been on tenterhooks for weeks waiting for your return.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on December 18, 2022, 11:25:40 PM
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Post by: Rory on December 18, 2022, 11:30:43 PM
This might be amongst the most important (non penalty) saves he will ever make in his career
(https://i.ibb.co/yQTYWFq/A7-A3-E54-D-3413-4-E2-A-B077-8-A927533-DF2-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yQTYWFq)
Has to be up there as save of the tournament.
Brilliant save
Save of the season for me, given the context of the match.
I really don't think it got the praise it deserved on TV. It wasn't just a keeper making himself big (Kenneth Williams meme), he waited for the attacker to commit himself, then chose the leg because he knew the range was such that he probably wouldn't get his hands to it and because it would be less likely to lead to a rebound opportunity.
Superb save.
Post by: BC54 VFC on December 18, 2022, 11:49:17 PM
https://www.readingfc.co.uk/news/2022/december/18/an-open-letter-to-emi-martinez-/Wonderful; I'm in tears again! In 1966 - Antonio Rattin and all that!! - I never thought that 56 years later I'd be so positively emotional about Argentina winning the World Cup.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 18, 2022, 11:56:39 PM
This might be amongst the most important (non penalty) saves he will ever make in his career
(https://i.ibb.co/yQTYWFq/A7-A3-E54-D-3413-4-E2-A-B077-8-A927533-DF2-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yQTYWFq)
Has to be up there as save of the tournament.
Brilliant save
Save of the season for me, given the context of the match.
I really don't think it got the praise it deserved on TV. It wasn't just a keeper making himself big (Kenneth Williams meme), he waited for the attacker to commit himself, then chose the leg because he knew the range was such that he probably wouldn't get his hands to it and because it would be less likely to lead to a rebound opportunity.
Superb save.
Made a great save in the last minute against Australia as well, though I think the one tonight was better.
Post by: BC54 VFC on December 18, 2022, 11:59:55 PM
A good tournament for him and Argentina but his actions at the end let himself,his country and his club down. You should not be acting like a 12 year old on the world stage. Show some respect.Are you for real? His attitude on the pitch is exactly what Villa has been short of for years and years; for too long we've been the team with a soft underbelly, wailting to roll over and be tickled. Find another ten Emiliano Martinez's I say.....and as for you, please go back to the stone-age.
I expect now he's won it we'll be losing him in the summer now the elite will be after him.
We REALLY need a better back up anyway as Olsen is terrible
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 19, 2022, 12:01:09 AM
Post by: BC54 VFC on December 19, 2022, 12:05:40 AM
Post by: Smoke on December 19, 2022, 12:40:24 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 19, 2022, 12:46:53 AM
Can someone explain the neal maupay references please? I've seen it a couple of times mentioned Emi should be greatful to him but I can't make the link in my head!
He crocked Leno, which meant Emi had that end of season run of games. We then signed him, and the rest is history. Without that end of season run for Arsenal, would we have signed him? Things could have been very different.
Post by: LukeJames on December 19, 2022, 12:47:53 AM
Can someone explain the neal maupay references please? I've seen it a couple of times mentioned Emi should be greatful to him but I can't make the link in my head!
Martinez made his debut for Arsenal after Maupay injured Leno, after that he went on to play the rest of the season and win the FA Cup. Leno came straight back in after recovering from injury but due to his performances in that spell he had us and Brighton bidding for him. Up until the Maupay incident he had only played in the lower leagues.
Post by: SaddVillan on December 19, 2022, 12:58:12 AM
Emiliano Martinez once conceded three goals at Port Vale on loan for Oxford United, and that was only 10 years ago, which just goes to show that the psychology of a goalkeeper is built over many different experiences. In those days he was called Damian on a teamsheet but Emi – the abbreviation of his middle name that he goes by – is a different guy.
Would Damian have taken the golden glove trophy handed to him by the Emir of Qatar and placed it on his groin as he walked past the World Cup trophy with the eyes of the globe upon him? Winning a World Cup final can do strange things to a man. The man from Aston Villa had put it all on the line in the penalty shoot-out. He had danced like Alan Pardew. He had been pushed back forcibly by the Polish referee Szymon Marciniak to take his place on the goal line. He had watched as two French penalty-takers had wilted in his glare.
Martinez has set a new bar for what devotees of the 21st century culture of badinage like to describe as s---housery. Depending on where you stand on that kind of gamesmanship then that bar is either set very high, or very, very, low.
There was a moment before Aurelien Tchouameni’s off-target penalty when Martinez threw the ball away from the Frenchman and the referee. By the time he was refusing to budge from the penalty spot for Randal Kolo Muani’s subsequent penalty, the last of France’s four, Marciniak could feel himself losing control. He walked Martinez backwards and when that proved ineffective he booked the goalkeeper. The penalty was scored but the damage was already done.
Martinez is a great goalkeeper when it comes to penalties and the rest, and the Argentine nation will not quibble with the means by which he introduces doubt to the opponent. Against the Netherlands in the quarter-finals it felt like a reasonably fair exchange of unpleasantries. This time Martinez’s behaviour was uncomfortable. The penalty shoot-out is a cruel test and no-one understands this better than the professionals themselves. They deserve from each other some basic level of respect in the moment.
Some will say that when it comes to that level of gamesmanship, the end justifies the means. They may even say that no-one remembers the details. But this was a World Cup final and everyone will remember the details.
Martinez’s performance was more than the penalty shoot-out. His save in the final minute of extra time from Kolo Muani was one of the great moments of goalkeeping improvisation. Arms and legs thrown wide, hurtling towards the French substitute to close down
the angle available. This was a great goalkeeper at work. His career is a testament to perseverance. A lifetime spent at Arsenal in order never to win that No 1 shirt. In 10 years at the club as a professional he played just 38 times.
He went on loan at Oxford, Sheffield Wednesday, Rotherham United, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Getafe and Reading. He speaks English like an Englishman. At Villa, where he moved permanently in 2020, he is a first choice at last. There are a lot of lost years in that career but when it comes to a night like this then perhaps they were all worth it.
In his international life there were eight years between his first call-up for the Argentina squad in 2011 and his second in 2019. He made his debut for the team in June last year and his second cap was in the Copa America. That was the tournament which Argentina went on to win and in which Martinez played a key role.
Messi himself seems to admire the new goalkeeper by his side and it was to Martinez that he turned in the moment of victory over the Netherlands. Four years ago, Martinez played his single game of the season for Arsenal in the Europa League at home to Qarabag of Azerbaijan. By January he was off to Reading in the Championship. Now he is friends with the greatest player on earth and a World Cup winner.
This is one of the great World Cup stories, of the understudy suddenly elevated to a place in history. There will have been many more games in many alternative goalkeeping careers but none quite like this one in Doha on the last Sunday of the 22nd World Cup finals.
Martinez has in the recent past saved a Copa America penalty from Colombia’s Yerry Mina in the semi-final of the competition. He asked Bruno Fernandes to give the ball to Cristiano Ronaldo last season and when the younger man took it himself he missed the target. These are all part of building the mythology and no doubt that all the French penalty-takers were well aware of what they would face in Martinez.
That they knew and yet still failed tells you the potency of it.
Post by: olaftab on December 19, 2022, 01:09:24 AM
Post by: SaddVillan on December 19, 2022, 01:09:30 AM
Standing 5 yds from the ball on the penalty spot.
Looking at Martinez, who's already given you some verbal shite.
And you think:
"He's completely mental and he saved pens for fun. I'm fucked - he's probably gonna save this. Oh well, here goes.........
Bollocks"
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 19, 2022, 01:15:42 AM
I hope those couple of trophies Emi picked up tonight provide him with a bit of comfort after he missed out on our triumph in the Dubai Challenge Cup.
Maybe, if he's really good, they might let him have his photo taken with one of the medals.
Post by: KevinGage on December 19, 2022, 01:37:38 AM
Penalties should favour the kicker.
But with that loon, it feels like a 60-40 chance in favour of him always.
Hopefully we get the benefit of some of that in our run to Wembley in the second half of the season.
Post by: eamonn on December 19, 2022, 01:38:41 AM
Maybe this lewd behaviour is what's got Flinstone bent out of shape.
Post by: purpletrousers on December 19, 2022, 01:45:15 AM
Yes. It was interesting to hear in that brilliant Neil Cutler interview (please bring his thread back here from other football, that move was way premature) that the Fernandes baiting was originally planned for Ronaldo but he adapted it to be talking to him rather than Fernandes.
I think that is a really good write up, and highlights the ethical dilemma.
Against the Netherlands in the quarter-finals it felt like a reasonably fair exchange of unpleasantries. This time Martinez’s behaviour was uncomfortable. The penalty shoot-out is a cruel test and no-one understands this better than the professionals themselves. They deserve from each other some basic level of respect in the moment.
Some will say that when it comes to that level of gamesmanship, the end justifies the means. They may even say that no-one remembers the details. But this was a World Cup final and everyone will remember the details.
Playing at no level, I’d always prefer to lose fairly than use ‘the dark arts’ to win.
We knew better than anyone what was coming. I feel the discomfort. Yet a bit like the part of me that doesn’t want to be interested in the violence of boxing yet gets drawn in,
So was part of me relishing the myth of our Emi growing.
If he’d done it successfully against England I’d be pissed off no doubt.
I guess I’ve been influenced by the narrative of us being too nice/soft underbelly. Cutler thought he’d take to club captaincy well, maybe there can be some shift in our mentality?
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 19, 2022, 01:48:47 AM
A good tournament for him and Argentina but his actions at the end let himself,his country and his club down. You should not be acting like a 12 year old on the world stage. Show some respect.we now have a arsehole in goal and about time, he's no different from a outfield player who deliberately brings a opponent down to stop play
I expect now he's won it we'll be losing him in the summer now the elite will be after him.
We REALLY need a better back up anyway as Olsen is terrible
Post by: Rory on December 19, 2022, 02:14:50 AM
It's not how I'd choose to go about things, but pretending modern football is a game of honour and fair play is delusional.
Post by: Hillbilly on December 19, 2022, 07:11:00 AM
Post by: Scratchins on December 19, 2022, 08:05:28 AM
Post by: Towser on December 19, 2022, 08:32:50 AM
Has anyone mentioned Neil Cutler's role in this? I bet Emi will be in touch.He has already
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Post by: Chico Hamilton III on December 19, 2022, 09:03:20 AM
He looked like a man possessed in the build up to the shoot out.
Penalties should favour the kicker.
But with that loon, it feels like a 60-40 chance in favour of him always.
Hopefully we get the benefit of some of that in our run to Wembley in the second half of the season.
Grobbelaar was shithousing in European Cup finals over 40 years ago. And van Bruekelen was the Dutch master of it. It’s nothing new.
Harry Kane will shit his keks if Spurs get a pen on New Year’s Day.
Post by: SaddVillan on December 19, 2022, 09:18:56 AM
His reputation for saving pens might be more important than his actual ability to save pens.
Emi saved;
3 in the Copa America shootout v Colombia
2 v Netherlands
1 v France and can probably claim the miss too.
I reckon that when you step up to face him and you're not a regular penalty taker you know the odds are against you.
Post by: LeeB on December 19, 2022, 09:29:28 AM
My son's just Whatsapped me this:
His reputation for saving pens might be more important than his actual ability to save pens.
Emi saved;
3 in the Copa America shootout v Colombia
2 v Netherlands
1 v France and can probably claim the miss too.
I reckon that when you step up to face him and you're not a regular penalty taker you know the odds are against you.
Ha absolutely owns the stage when it comes to penalties. Look at Lloris, he may as well have gone home at the end of extra time, he was totally irrelevant for Argentina's penalties.
Post by: Pete3206 on December 19, 2022, 09:36:01 AM
Sorry you squares, I thought it was hilarious. Lighten up.
Post by: paul_e on December 19, 2022, 09:38:15 AM
My son's just Whatsapped me this:
His reputation for saving pens might be more important than his actual ability to save pens.
Emi saved;
3 in the Copa America shootout v Colombia
2 v Netherlands
1 v France and can probably claim the miss too.
I reckon that when you step up to face him and you're not a regular penalty taker you know the odds are against you.
Ha absolutely owns the stage when it comes to penalties. Look at Lloris, he may as well have gone home at the end of extra time, he was totally irrelevant for Argentina's penalties.
The best way to look at it is can you imagine anyone taking a pen like Messi an Dybala did against Emi? He goads players into trying too hard to beat him and takes advantage of them losing their cool.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on December 19, 2022, 09:38:56 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 19, 2022, 09:42:37 AM
Apart from Martinez, who would have been prepared to set fire to his grandmother on the penalty spot to get an advantage, they had Loris, who was odds on to do a Shilton 1990 and not get near any of them.
Martinez is a winner, and he’s our winner.
I’m also glad he did the cock gesture with the trophy in front of the random Qatari dignitary. Fuck them.
Post by: The Edge on December 19, 2022, 09:42:59 AM
I'm not a fan of the shithousery, I must say, but if it's what it takes for him to be so excellent, then so be it. If he wanted to celebrate every throw-in by farting on a photograph of Madeleine McCann, I wouldn't approve but that would be his method and his business.It's nothing new. Even Bobby Moore knew a few tricks although not on the same scale as Emi's shithousery. He famously rattled Scotland just by being polite. The story goes that the Scots were in the dressing room at Wembley and they were making an almighty racket and banging on the walls etc in an effort to scare the shit out of the England players. Bobby waited for a moment's silence then knocked on their dressing room door. They opened it and he stood there in full white kit with the ball under his arm. He simply said "game on chaps" and walked away. The Scots realised that their attempt at intimidating England hadn't worked. Sort of gentlemanly shithousery. I can't recall who won but the story was told on talk sport and I think it was Alan Mullery talking.
It's not how I'd choose to go about things, but pretending modern football is a game of honour and fair play is delusional.
Post by: eamonn on December 19, 2022, 09:57:46 AM
And I don't get the fuss about him. He was their captain too...sheesh.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 19, 2022, 09:59:47 AM
Post by: LeeB on December 19, 2022, 10:02:28 AM
If the French player hadn't have been intimidated so much into pushing it as wide, Emi was saving it anyway.
They showed that players face just before he took it and the first thing that came into my head was 'Mason Holgate'. He was already beaten before he shot.
Post by: The Edge on December 19, 2022, 10:06:37 AM
If the French player hadn't have been intimidated so much into pushing it as wide, Emi was saving it anyway.Yeah he definitely had it covered.
Post by: Risso on December 19, 2022, 10:16:55 AM
Post by: Bad English on December 19, 2022, 10:23:40 AM
When it went to penalties did anyone think even for a nanosecond France would win? I didn’t.Yes. A gesture which, albeit vulgar in the context of a formal ceremony transmitted to billions around the world, should not detract from the corruption, bribery, human rights, LGBT+, ethical and environmental concerns that have surrounded this tournament.
Apart from Martinez, who would have been prepared to set fire to his grandmother on the penalty spot to get an advantage, they had Loris, who was odds on to do a Shilton 1990 and not get near any of them.
Martinez is a winner, and he’s our winner.
I’m also glad he did the cock gesture with the trophy in front of the random Qatari dignitary. Fuck them.
Post by: Rory on December 19, 2022, 11:07:31 AM
If I was keeper in a penalty shoot out like that, I think I'd stay in the middle most of the time. There are always one or two that go straight down the centre, whereas if the player taking the kick puts it into the side left or right, it's got to be a great save even if you guess right.
Absolutely, about half of all penalties these days are scored when the keeper dives out of the way.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 19, 2022, 11:34:28 AM
If I was keeper in a penalty shoot out like that, I think I'd stay in the middle most of the time. There are always one or two that go straight down the centre, whereas if the player taking the kick puts it into the side left or right, it's got to be a great save even if you guess right.
Absolutely, about half of all penalties these days are scored when the keeper dives out of the way.
It’s a good theory but I’m always reminded of the useless lummox Peter Shilton in the 1990 WC who did just that with no effect whatsoever. I doubt it was his idea mind as it had more to do with him being well past his best. The fact he’s a tool as well didn’t help his case.
Post by: darren woolley on December 19, 2022, 11:41:58 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on December 19, 2022, 11:50:40 AM
If I was keeper in a penalty shoot out like that, I think I'd stay in the middle most of the time. There are always one or two that go straight down the centre, whereas if the player taking the kick puts it into the side left or right, it's got to be a great save even if you guess right.
Absolutely, about half of all penalties these days are scored when the keeper dives out of the way.
I reckon you’d get away with it once but it would soon get sussed out if that was all that you did.
Post by: TheMalandro on December 19, 2022, 11:53:29 AM
Post by: KevinGage on December 19, 2022, 11:54:20 AM
If Tchouameni's concentration really was broken by Emi tossing the ball to the side then he doesn't have much concentration in the first place.
Like a few on here, I'm glad that he rattles the opposition when he does it in our colours. We've been too Corinthian Casuals for ages and it's rarely reciprocated.
For Argentina, it's easy to mark them with the cheating tag. They've deserved it at varying intervals since the 1960s. Positively played up to it, when they can.
But they have been different under Messi as captain. As a player Messi himself doesn't go in for the same theatrics and general cringe of Maradona et al . And as captain, you don't see his players trying to get opponents sent off. Even if Emi pushes it in different ways.
Post by: Dave on December 19, 2022, 11:56:51 AM
If I was keeper in a penalty shoot out like that, I think I'd stay in the middle most of the time. There are always one or two that go straight down the centre, whereas if the player taking the kick puts it into the side left or right, it's got to be a great save even if you guess right.
Absolutely, about half of all penalties these days are scored when the keeper dives out of the way.
That's because they've seen the keeper move early so put it where he isn't. If the keeper makes no movement, you sidefoot it into the corner and he hasn't got time to get there because he's moved too late (as Chris' Shilton in 1990 example above)
Post by: LeeB on December 19, 2022, 12:01:40 PM
A lot of waffle about fair play in the BBC comments and elsewhere after Emi's antics yesterday.
If Tchouameni's concentration really was broken by Emi tossing the ball to the side then he doesn't have much concentration in the first place.
Like a few on here, I'm glad that he rattles the opposition when he does it in our colours. We've been too Corinthian Casuals for ages and it's rarely reciprocated.
For Argentina, it's easy to mark them with the cheating tag. They've deserved it at varying intervals since the 1960s. Positively played up to it, when they can.
But they have been different under Messi as captain. As a player Messi himself doesn't go in for the same theatrics and general cringe of Maradona et al . And as captain, you don't see his players trying to get opponents sent off. Even if Emi pushes it in different ways.
I think they've been great, played with emotion but in a positive way, fully engaged with their supporters on a mission. Fully deserved, all of their games have been proper games too.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 19, 2022, 12:06:31 PM
My son's just Whatsapped me this:
His reputation for saving pens might be more important than his actual ability to save pens.
Emi saved;
3 in the Copa America shootout v Colombia
2 v Netherlands
1 v France and can probably claim the miss too.
I reckon that when you step up to face him and you're not a regular penalty taker you know the odds are against you.
Ha absolutely owns the stage when it comes to penalties. Look at Lloris, he may as well have gone home at the end of extra time, he was totally irrelevant for Argentina's penalties.
Mrs LFS was getting all concerned for "little Emi", as she likes to call him, before the shootout, saying she felt sorry for him having to face them. Until I pointed out that he fucking loves this shit, it's what he dreams of at night, and he'd be revelling in the knowledge that the eyes of the entire planet will be on him, and where others might crumble under those pressures, he positively thrives on it.
Post by: boozey182 on December 19, 2022, 12:12:49 PM
The problem with that tactic is that the taker has to think that you might dive for him to want to put it down the middle. If you stand there for every penalty, you make their mind up for them. And isn't the decision making part of the issue when taking penalties? Indecision leads to mistakes.
In fact, if I was a manager, I would tell my players exactly where I wanted them to put it. Take the responsibility of the decision off them.
Anyway, back on topic - I love Emi. He's unhinged, but utterly dedicated. I don't know how I'd feel if he didn't play for us, but hopefully I won't need to find out any time soon. He's great, and one of the players that makes football entertaining.
Post by: nigel on December 19, 2022, 12:13:44 PM
Has anyone mentioned Neil Cutler's role in this? I bet Emi will be in touch.He has already
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Would be nice to listen in to that conversation
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 19, 2022, 12:18:17 PM
A lot of waffle about fair play in the BBC comments and elsewhere after Emi's antics yesterday.
If Tchouameni's concentration really was broken by Emi tossing the ball to the side then he doesn't have much concentration in the first place.
I wasn't paying quite that much attention, but I shall assume that the reason Emi had the ball in the first place was because Lloris just walked off and left in the net rather than get over himself and pick the ball out of the net and hand it to his team's next taker, like a good teammate.
Post by: thick_mike on December 19, 2022, 12:28:23 PM
Post by: London Villan on December 19, 2022, 12:29:16 PM
A lot of waffle about fair play in the BBC comments and elsewhere after Emi's antics yesterday.
If Tchouameni's concentration really was broken by Emi tossing the ball to the side then he doesn't have much concentration in the first place.
I wasn't paying quite that much attention, but I shall assume that the reason Emi had the ball in the first place was because Lloris just walked off and left in the net rather than get over himself and pick the ball out of the net and hand it to his team's next taker, like a good teammate.
Which is exactly what Steer did vs the Baggies. Stopped all the messing around between kicks.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on December 19, 2022, 12:50:22 PM
If I was keeper in a penalty shoot out like that, I think I'd stay in the middle most of the time. There are always one or two that go straight down the centre, whereas if the player taking the kick puts it into the side left or right, it's got to be a great save even if you guess right.
Absolutely, about half of all penalties these days are scored when the keeper dives out of the way.
It’s a good theory but I’m always reminded of the useless lummox Peter Shilton in the 1990 WC who did just that with no effect whatsoever. I doubt it was his idea mind as it had more to do with him being well past his best. The fact he’s a tool as well didn’t help his case.
I'm sure I heard that Shilton thought his reflexes were quick enough that he didn't need to guess on pens. He was well past his peak in 90 but I think it's humanly impossible anyway. Hence him being a second behind every German penalty in that shootout.
Post by: passport1 on December 19, 2022, 01:10:50 PM
Post by: Smithy on December 19, 2022, 01:21:17 PM
If I was keeper in a penalty shoot out like that, I think I'd stay in the middle most of the time. There are always one or two that go straight down the centre, whereas if the player taking the kick puts it into the side left or right, it's got to be a great save even if you guess right.
Absolutely, about half of all penalties these days are scored when the keeper dives out of the way.
It’s a good theory but I’m always reminded of the useless lummox Peter Shilton in the 1990 WC who did just that with no effect whatsoever. I doubt it was his idea mind as it had more to do with him being well past his best. The fact he’s a tool as well didn’t help his case.
I'm sure I heard that Shilton thought his reflexes were quick enough that he didn't need to guess on pens. He was well past his peak in 90 but I think it's humanly impossible anyway. Hence him being a second behind every German penalty in that shootout.
Indeed, I always remember people saying "Shilton was so unlucky, he dived the right way on every single penalty." Diving the right way is an absolute piece of piss; the trick is to do it before the ball is in the back of the net.
Post by: eamonn on December 19, 2022, 01:24:10 PM
Actually, that's not a nice thing to say.
Post by: Dave on December 19, 2022, 01:27:31 PM
Shilts may have had other things on his mind (gambling, dogging etc.)
Actually, that's not a nice thing to say.
Then again, he's not a very nice person.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 19, 2022, 01:31:28 PM
Also many people have questioned over the years quite how Maradona managed to outjump him (even using his hand) in Mexico 86.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 19, 2022, 01:31:29 PM
Shilts may have had other things on his mind (gambling, dogging etc.)
Actually, that's not a nice thing to say.
Then again, he's not a very nice person.
He’s vile.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 19, 2022, 01:33:51 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 19, 2022, 01:36:56 PM
A lot of waffle about fair play in the BBC comments and elsewhere after Emi's antics yesterday.
If Tchouameni's concentration really was broken by Emi tossing the ball to the side then he doesn't have much concentration in the first place.
I wasn't paying quite that much attention, but I shall assume that the reason Emi had the ball in the first place was because Lloris just walked off and left in the net rather than get over himself and pick the ball out of the net and hand it to his team's next taker, like a good teammate.
Nope, the ref (or someone) had put it on the spot, he saunters over, picks it up and acts like he is trying to get a "feel" of the ball. Then as the player and ref approach and ask for the ball, he chucks it away. I was actually surprised the ref didn't book him there and then but waited for the next attempt.
Post by: Bad English on December 19, 2022, 02:20:33 PM
If the French player hadn'tSorry, but FTFY. HAVE/HAD + PAST PARTICIPLE. The If... "had have been" construct" is ungrammatical, although our cousins who like guns seem to use it a lot. It needs to be stamped OUT!havebeen intimidated so much into pushing it as wide, Emi was saving it anyway.
If I hadn't been reading, I wouldn't have been able to correct this.
Post by: eamonn on December 19, 2022, 02:25:20 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 19, 2022, 02:50:19 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 19, 2022, 02:51:01 PM
Shilts may have had other things on his mind (gambling, dogging etc.)
Actually, that's not a nice thing to say.
Then again, he's not a very nice person.
He’s vile.
that's being very kind to him. He's as big a wanker as you will find.
Post by: algy on December 19, 2022, 03:04:34 PM
Compare him to Neville Southall who is a genuine good guy.Yep, Big Nev is definitely one of the good guys. Lots of time for him.
Post by: LukeJames on December 19, 2022, 03:15:16 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 19, 2022, 03:20:21 PM
Back in Beunos Aries at 10pm tonight for the celebrations. Sorry if its already been mentioned previously but I wonder if we'll have him back for Boxing Day? 🤔No your the first.
Post by: Drummond on December 19, 2022, 03:24:12 PM
When it went to penalties did anyone think even for a nanosecond France would win? I didn’t.Yes. A gesture which, albeit vulgar in the context of a formal ceremony transmitted to billions around the world, should not detract from the corruption, bribery, human rights, LGBT+, ethical and environmental concerns that have surrounded this tournament.
Apart from Martinez, who would have been prepared to set fire to his grandmother on the penalty spot to get an advantage, they had Loris, who was odds on to do a Shilton 1990 and not get near any of them.
Martinez is a winner, and he’s our winner.
I’m also glad he did the cock gesture with the trophy in front of the random Qatari dignitary. Fuck them.
It has to be said, but I think the Qatari pictured seemed to be impressed.
(https://i.ibb.co/SckQ6Qd/Fk-SChto-Xo-AEAew-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SckQ6Qd)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 19, 2022, 03:38:12 PM
They arrive 2am local time on Tuesday so hopefully they'll be allowed a few hours shut eye and have the celebrations later that day. Wednesday at the latest. You'd also imagine they'll be given a couple of days to be with their families there. Private jet back to Brum on Saturday? He's played before having arrived back 24-48 hours from BA (Copa America win?) but your guess is as good as mine as to whether he'll play on Boxing Day.
Update: The plane was delayed leaving Doha, refueled in Roma where it currently is so we're looking at a 2-3am arrival in BA. It's the number 1 plane being tracked on Flightradar. Good news is there's talk of tomorrow being declared a national holiday in Argentina so the open top bus tour goes ahead earlier than I anticipated. Also the good lads of the Argentina squad don't want any politicians getting involved so they'll be no bullshit ceremony with the president etc.
If he wanted, Emi could be back in Brum Thursday but I doubt he will.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 19, 2022, 03:44:21 PM
https://www.flightradar24.com/ARG1915/2e96e97d
It's left Rome.
Post by: UK Redsox on December 19, 2022, 03:59:06 PM
For those with time on their hands..
https://www.flightradar24.com/ARG1915/2e96e97d
It's left Rome.
Is H&V like Twitter ? Can you get banned for posting the whereabouts of the Emperor of Shithousery
Post by: LukeJames on December 19, 2022, 04:03:59 PM
Awesome! while I'm on form I'll look into if he was Villa's first player to play in a World Cup Final.......Back in Beunos Aries at 10pm tonight for the celebrations. Sorry if its already been mentioned previously but I wonder if we'll have him back for Boxing Day? 🤔No your the first.
Post by: DB on December 19, 2022, 04:04:43 PM
For those with time on their hands..
https://www.flightradar24.com/ARG1915/2e96e97d
It's left Rome.
It's like going back to the days of Eastie
Post by: Gerrin on December 19, 2022, 04:26:40 PM
Back in Beunos Aries at 10pm tonight for the celebrations. Sorry if its already been mentioned previously but I wonder if we'll have him back for Boxing Day? 🤔No your the first.
The Athletic article stated they didn't expect him to play on Boxing Day. I thought wtf? There's no reason for him not to, unless injured. The victory parade is Tuesday in BA. I expect he'll travel back Thursday, maybe even late Wednesday.
Regarding speculation on him leaving Villa, he's Argentina's no.1 and now a world cup legend for them. I expect his main priority will be defending that title in 4 years time, and where will be best for him to prepare to do that.
Post by: paul_e on December 19, 2022, 04:59:07 PM
For those with time on their hands..
https://www.flightradar24.com/ARG1915/2e96e97d
It's left Rome.
It's like going back to the days of Eastie
Nah, we don't know what he had for lunch or if he's used the in-flight 'amenities' yet, and no one has mentioned his kids by their first names.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 19, 2022, 04:59:56 PM
For those with time on their hands..
https://www.flightradar24.com/ARG1915/2e96e97d
It's left Rome.
It's like going back to the days of Eastie
Ha! In my defence, Emi is the exception and deservedly so. I don't think I'd be that concerned where and what he does or when he gets back if we had a half decent back up keeper. Eastie would be stalking Emi's wife to see if she's buying turkey for Christmas Day or whether she's on a flight with the kids to join Emi in BA for the celebrations tomorrow.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 19, 2022, 05:09:35 PM
Post by: paul_e on December 19, 2022, 05:15:31 PM
There is a video doing the rounds of a guy riding a bike into the centre of Buenos Aires when the last penalty goes in. Worth looking up just to hear the noise.
It's on the world cup thread already.
Post by: usav on December 19, 2022, 08:21:01 PM
For those with time on their hands..
https://www.flightradar24.com/ARG1915/2e96e97d
It's left Rome.
That's quite the detour, why did it go to Rome?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 19, 2022, 08:22:02 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 19, 2022, 08:37:44 PM
For those with time on their hands..
https://www.flightradar24.com/ARG1915/2e96e97d
It's left Rome.
That's quite the detour, why did it go to Rome?
To show off the World Cup to the Pope, and Emi had to go to confession after he "let himself, his country and his club down".
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 19, 2022, 08:41:00 PM
For those with time on their hands..
https://www.flightradar24.com/ARG1915/2e96e97d
It's left Rome.
That's quite the detour, why did it go to Rome?
To show off the World Cup to the Pope, and Emi had to go to confession after he "let himself, his country and his club down".
😂
Post by: usav on December 19, 2022, 08:43:18 PM
Refuel.
But Rome isn't on the way from Qatar to Argentina.....there are at least 20 African countries it could have stopped at on the way. surely?
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 19, 2022, 08:56:17 PM
The final was yesterday actually!I have a high confidence when I next post on Emi Martinez thread he'll be the World Cup winnerIs it the final next Thursday?
And I enjoyed every single minute.
Brilliant Performance By Martinez outside of his lewd antics and Tom foolery he's an excellent keeper. I had every faith he and Argentina would make World Champion.
If he stays long term I expect he will be captain of Villa sooner rather than later.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 19, 2022, 08:59:31 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 19, 2022, 09:18:38 PM
It's a good question. But court of contention.Back in Beunos Aries at 10pm tonight for the celebrations. Sorry if its already been mentioned previously but I wonder if we'll have him back for Boxing Day? 🤔No your the first.
Actually, I was the first by a fair margin when I mentioned that Olsen might start in goal on Boxing Day this was before the World Cup.
I warned people about it and advised them to be ready and opened discussions.
Also when does the thread for the pre-Liverpool game start? It's a week today, and I fully anticipated it to be up and active with discussion on this sort of issues and what we expect from the game.
Isn't it exciting that the season has returned, especially with El Maestro Emery in charge?
And makes things even more wonderful it's versus Liverpool without Gerrard as 'coach'
I usually attend the home match versus Liverpool but it's Boxing Day and that's not possible but very hopeful of a positive outcome.
Post by: KevinGage on December 19, 2022, 09:21:33 PM
Refuel.
Gazza style.
Post by: LeeB on December 19, 2022, 09:24:47 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on December 19, 2022, 09:36:41 PM
For those with time on their hands..
https://www.flightradar24.com/ARG1915/2e96e97d
It's left Rome.
That's quite the detour, why did it go to Rome?
To show off the World Cup to the Pope, and Emi had to go to confession after he "let himself, his country and his club down".
“The Argentina keeper went to Rome to see the Pope
The Argentina keeper went to Rome to see the Pope
The Argentina keeper went to Rome to see the Pope
and the Pope said to our Emi
Stay at Villa and stop all shots
Stay at Villa and stop all shots
Stay at Villa and stop all shots
or I’ll shove that award up your arse”
…..with apologies to Blackwell, N. ;D
Needs some work, I know
Post by: gpbarr on December 19, 2022, 10:12:53 PM
Needs to learn a bit of respect though.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 19, 2022, 10:19:26 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 19, 2022, 10:53:09 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on December 19, 2022, 11:00:03 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bayern-munich-eye-aston-villa-25787883?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 19, 2022, 11:00:23 PM
2005: Lionel Messi makes Argentina debut
2006: Argentina do not win the World Cup
2007: Argentina do not win Copa America
2010: Argentina do not win the World Cup
2011: Argentina do not win Copa America
2014: Argentina do not win the World Cup
2015: Argentina do not win Copa America
2016: Argentina do not win Copa America
2018: Argentina do not win the World Cup
2019: Argentina do not win Copa America
2021: Emiliano Martinez makes Argentina debut
2021: Argentina win Copa America
2022: Argentina win the World Cup
Post by: Pete3206 on December 19, 2022, 11:12:08 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 19, 2022, 11:13:37 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2022, 12:08:42 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 20, 2022, 12:18:10 AM
Quote
Damian Emiliano Martinez was the most decisive goalkeeper of the World Cup. A well-deserved cup for Argentina, a great competition played by the Aston Villa full-back and a future that will inevitably be among the big names in football. “Argentina was the best team, they showed great unity. And he deservedly won”; the goalkeeper's agent, Gustavo Goni, told Tuttomercatoweb. "Damian - continues Goni - has demonstrated what was thought for some time: he is a great goalkeeper, the best in the world".
Is it a hypothesis to consider a future in Serie A?
“Today there are few teams that can afford a goalkeeper like him. But Serie A, well, why not? Clearly aiming high, for the Champions League”.
His client has received criticism for the final exultation on the occasion of the award. Someone judged it a bit vulgar.
“It's football stuff, an impulsive reaction. It's more important to talk about the decisive save a few minutes from the end. He's shown great talent."
And Martinez Quarta? What future?
“People obviously thought about the World Cup. The boy has admirers in the Premier League. After all, who doesn't like a player like him? We will evaluate if a good option arrives. He's doing very well, he was elected the best defender in Serie A. We're fine in Florence but we know the transfer market is unpredictable
Post by: Mellin on December 20, 2022, 12:59:54 AM
Post by: Rory on December 20, 2022, 03:13:47 AM
2026. Get your wallet out.
Too right. I hope we didn't include a release clause.
£100m turned out to be a bargain for the professional wino & STD-magnet Grealish, but we're talking about the best man for his position in the world here. Given defenders & keepers tend to attract lower fees than midfielders & attackers, I hope we didn't set a clause at, say, £50m, assuming nobody would pay it.
Following the world cup, and unlike most keepers, Emi has real marketing potential, so if we hold the cards, our starting position should be £150m.
You can only have one goalkeeper, and if you want the best (and now, most famous) in the world, you're going to have to pay for him.
I hope he stays for a decade and helps us win the league and the european cup. But if he's going to leave, he's a commodity the like of which we haven't seen for decades, if ever, and he's on a long term contract.
If anybody is serious about buying him, the least we can do is absolutely fucking rinse them.
Post by: SaddVillan on December 20, 2022, 04:10:20 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/dec/19/emiliano-martinez-shootouts-controversy-and-world-cup-success?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 20, 2022, 05:28:34 AM
Translated using Google translateQuoteDamian Emiliano Martinez was the most decisive goalkeeper of the World Cup. A well-deserved cup for Argentina, a great competition played by the Aston Villa full-back and a future that will inevitably be among the big names in football. “Argentina was the best team, they showed great unity. And he deservedly won”; the goalkeeper's agent, Gustavo Goni, told Tuttomercatoweb. "Damian - continues Goni - has demonstrated what was thought for some time: he is a great goalkeeper, the best in the world".
Is it a hypothesis to consider a future in Serie A?
“Today there are few teams that can afford a goalkeeper like him. But Serie A, well, why not? Clearly aiming high, for the Champions League”.
His client has received criticism for the final exultation on the occasion of the award. Someone judged it a bit vulgar.
“It's football stuff, an impulsive reaction. It's more important to talk about the decisive save a few minutes from the end. He's shown great talent."
And Martinez Quarta? What future?
“People obviously thought about the World Cup. The boy has admirers in the Premier League. After all, who doesn't like a player like him? We will evaluate if a good option arrives. He's doing very well, he was elected the best defender in Serie A. We're fine in Florence but we know the transfer market is unpredictable
I feel like I'm reading Borges. Has he moved to Fiorentina, and started playing as a defender?
Post by: London Villan on December 20, 2022, 06:30:39 AM
Post by: Dave on December 20, 2022, 06:38:26 AM
Translated using Google translateQuoteDamian Emiliano Martinez was the most decisive goalkeeper of the World Cup. A well-deserved cup for Argentina, a great competition played by the Aston Villa full-back and a future that will inevitably be among the big names in football. “Argentina was the best team, they showed great unity. And he deservedly won”; the goalkeeper's agent, Gustavo Goni, told Tuttomercatoweb. "Damian - continues Goni - has demonstrated what was thought for some time: he is a great goalkeeper, the best in the world".
Is it a hypothesis to consider a future in Serie A?
“Today there are few teams that can afford a goalkeeper like him. But Serie A, well, why not? Clearly aiming high, for the Champions League”.
His client has received criticism for the final exultation on the occasion of the award. Someone judged it a bit vulgar.
“It's football stuff, an impulsive reaction. It's more important to talk about the decisive save a few minutes from the end. He's shown great talent."
And Martinez Quarta? What future?
“People obviously thought about the World Cup. The boy has admirers in the Premier League. After all, who doesn't like a player like him? We will evaluate if a good option arrives. He's doing very well, he was elected the best defender in Serie A. We're fine in Florence but we know the transfer market is unpredictable
I feel like I'm reading Borges. Has he moved to Fiorentina, and started playing as a defender?
Lucas Martinez Quarta is a different player. A defender for Fiorentina nonetheless.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 20, 2022, 07:06:55 AM
Is he our best ever keeper?No.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 20, 2022, 08:02:34 AM
Is he the best keeper in the PL? No.
Is he the best keeper we've ever had? No.
Is he the world's most recognisable keeper, the most famous, the most marmite player on the planet right now? Yes.
Would I hate him if he played for another club? With a passion.
Am I over the moon that he's ours? You fkn betcha!
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 20, 2022, 08:03:26 AM
Is he our best ever keeper?
Since Friedel, definitely.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 20, 2022, 08:09:08 AM
Post by: IFWaters on December 20, 2022, 08:33:47 AM
The shithouse is ours
Emi Martinez
The shithouse is ours
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 20, 2022, 09:22:30 AM
Since Friedel? He's easily our best keeper since Bosnich and well on the way to being our best ever.He will have to become a hell of a keeper to better Rimmer.
Post by: LeeB on December 20, 2022, 09:23:52 AM
Since Friedel? He's easily our best keeper since Bosnich and well on the way to being our best ever.
Absolutely, since the minute he walked through the door he's been fantastic, saving the penalty on his debut.
Post by: Risso on December 20, 2022, 09:28:20 AM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 20, 2022, 09:58:28 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/CW3t9Qp/skynews-emiliano-martinez-world-cup-6001886.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CW3t9Qp)
Post by: nigel on December 20, 2022, 10:10:23 AM
Since Friedel? He's easily our best keeper since Bosnich and well on the way to being our best ever.He will have to become a hell of a keeper to better Rimmer.
IMO, Better than Bosnich, not as good as Rimmer
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 20, 2022, 10:28:44 AM
The shithouse is ours
The shithouse is ours
Emi Martinez
The shithouse is ours
Like it!
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 20, 2022, 10:42:09 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 20, 2022, 11:02:49 AM
It's a yes from me too.The shithouse is ours
The shithouse is ours
Emi Martinez
The shithouse is ours
Like it!
Post by: Drummond on December 20, 2022, 11:05:10 AM
Anyway, he's ours. No doubt there will be another contract review coming already.
Post by: olaftab on December 20, 2022, 11:06:46 AM
He's arrived for what should be a very brief stop over in Argentina. Hurry home to Brum !Hopefully Wes’s Learjet is flying to Buenos Ares as we speak to be on standby as soon as Emi is ready.
(https://i.ibb.co/CW3t9Qp/skynews-emiliano-martinez-world-cup-6001886.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CW3t9Qp)
Post by: Dave on December 20, 2022, 11:17:17 AM
Linked with Bayern today too. Looks like we'll be dealing with rumours galore now.
There's no way Bayern are chucking £80m at a goalkeeper.
There'll be a Man Utd link soon, and probably a Spurs one.
Nobody else who could spend the money really needs him.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 20, 2022, 11:48:13 AM
Linked with Bayern today too. Looks like we'll be dealing with rumours galore now.
There's no way Bayern are chucking £80m at a goalkeeper.
There'll be a Man Utd link soon, and probably a Spurs one.
Nobody else who could spend the money really needs him.
Agree. He's just signed a long contract but I guess we can't prevent papers filling their pages with print and internet for clicks.
Post by: Billy Walker on December 20, 2022, 11:56:31 AM
What an impressive man Neil Cutler is.
Post by: SamTheMouse on December 20, 2022, 12:01:41 PM
Linked with Bayern today too. Looks like we'll be dealing with rumours galore now.
There's no way Bayern are chucking £80m at a goalkeeper.
There'll be a Man Utd link soon, and probably a Spurs one.
Nobody else who could spend the money really needs him.
Agree. He's just signed a long contract but I guess we can't prevent papers filling their pages with print and internet for clicks.
As always, it'll come down to the player. If he decides he absolutely wants Champions League football, he'll be gone.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 20, 2022, 12:02:51 PM
Post by: Dave on December 20, 2022, 12:11:54 PM
Linked with Bayern today too. Looks like we'll be dealing with rumours galore now.
There's no way Bayern are chucking £80m at a goalkeeper.
There'll be a Man Utd link soon, and probably a Spurs one.
Nobody else who could spend the money really needs him.
Agree. He's just signed a long contract but I guess we can't prevent papers filling their pages with print and internet for clicks.
As always, it'll come down to the player. If he decides he absolutely wants Champions League football, he'll be gone.
To whom? Someone needs to actually want to spend the necessary money on him.
Post by: chrisw1 on December 20, 2022, 12:47:24 PM
My slight concern is if he's unhappy that Cutts was sacked, that could be an excuse or catalyst for his agent to push for a move. As for who would want him, I'd have thought possibly Spurs (Lloris is 36). Man Utd might want competition for DeGea, but he's only 32 and there's no way Emi will go anywhere he's not clear first choice. Outside the PL, there's not many who could afford him.
Hopefully it won't come to that, great teams need great keepers and if we truly want to go places we should be building around him.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 20, 2022, 12:51:07 PM
Post by: Dave on December 20, 2022, 12:54:52 PM
Man Utd might want competition for DeGea, but he's only 32 and there's no way Emi will go anywhere he's not clear first choice.
They'd be my main concern, particularly if they squeak back into the Champions League.
By all accounts De Gea is off in the summer, as they don't want to keep paying him the crazy numbers they've been paying him up to now and he's out of contract. So they'll almost certainly be looking for a new first-choice keeper.
Plus they're more than happy chucking £80m or so around, and after this winter he's actually very marketable for their noodle and pet food partners (which is obviously one of the more important things for them).
Post by: Drummond on December 20, 2022, 12:55:06 PM
I agree Chris, the Cutler thing is a concern, though one suspects he'll know and like Emery and Garcia from their time at Arsenal.
Post by: nigel on December 20, 2022, 01:45:12 PM
What an impressive man Neil Cutler is.
He could easily get a job as a pundit.
Talks very, very, well and is knowledgeable with it.
Post by: nigel on December 20, 2022, 01:46:37 PM
Linked with Bayern today too. Looks like we'll be dealing with rumours galore now.
There's no way Bayern are chucking £80m at a goalkeeper.
There'll be a Man Utd link soon, and probably a Spurs one.
Nobody else who could spend the money really needs him.
Agree. He's just signed a long contract but I guess we can't prevent papers filling their pages with print and internet for clicks.
As always, it'll come down to the player. If he decides he absolutely wants Champions League football, he'll be gone.
Given what Neil Cutler said I don’t think he’ll be going anywhere
Post by: algy on December 20, 2022, 01:53:10 PM
All roads lead there, apparently.For those with time on their hands..
https://www.flightradar24.com/ARG1915/2e96e97d
It's left Rome.
That's quite the detour, why did it go to Rome?
Post by: Risso on December 20, 2022, 01:54:46 PM
Man Utd might want competition for DeGea, but he's only 32 and there's no way Emi will go anywhere he's not clear first choice.
They'd be my main concern, particularly if they squeak back into the Champions League.
By all accounts De Gea is off in the summer, as they don't want to keep paying him the crazy numbers they've been paying him up to now and he's out of contract. So they'll almost certainly be looking for a new first-choice keeper.
Plus they're more than happy chucking £80m or so around, and after this winter he's actually very marketable for their noodle and pet food partners (which is obviously one of the more important things for them).
Man U would be my worry too, but I think they'd need to be in the Champions League.
Post by: Monty on December 20, 2022, 02:16:19 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 20, 2022, 02:24:11 PM
Post by: Mister E on December 20, 2022, 02:58:53 PM
Always good to see the envy expressed in these comments: I imagine he might replace Mings as the Villa player opposing fans will jeer.
Post by: algy on December 20, 2022, 03:08:38 PM
Not really related, but the talk of World record fees made me check the list (Kepo is top, Alisson second if you were interested). I note that Buffon is still playing, back at his old club Parma in Serie B. He's 45 in January and has signed a contract until the end of next season.Between him, Shilton, Stanley Matthews, and Billy Walker they've played at least 1 professional game every season since the 1st world war ended.
Post by: DB on December 20, 2022, 03:25:57 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/1605080560912588806?t=_-NnBJZWbTLvXdRh1NUovg&s=19
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 20, 2022, 03:40:07 PM
All roads lead there, apparently.For those with time on their hands..
https://www.flightradar24.com/ARG1915/2e96e97d
It's left Rome.
That's quite the detour, why did it go to Rome?
To see the Argentinian Pope perhaps? I wonder what he would have said…….?
Post by: Drummond on December 20, 2022, 03:48:01 PM
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Post by: purpletrousers on December 20, 2022, 07:21:03 PM
What an impressive man Neil Cutler is.
He could easily get a job as a pundit.
Talks very, very, well and is knowledgeable with it.
As it’s been prematurely squirreled away in other football and is excellent, re-recommending this in case anyone missed it:
So it feels interesting feeling so proud to have had this guy at the club, even though he’s left. We have a lot to be grateful to him for.
Hopefully if he’s as good as he seems he’ll get his chance as England GK coach.
A number of really interesting parts of this to get some inside insight, into Smith & Gerard eras, Emi, etc
I can’t imagine anyone won’t enjoy 90mins of Big Cutts on his time at the Villa, plenty of fascinating stuff, on the claret & blue podcast
I listen to audio only on Spotify, but found there is a video version
https://youtu.be/kkIC2LcGgJc
Presume it’s the same as audio, there was also a short seperate quick fire questions recording, and even am possibly embarrassed to admit an interesting podcast where they reflect on how the interview went. Crucially he was very open to a part 2 especially if Emi went far, so imagine this may now happen.
Btw in the Sky interview with the strong side lighting, is he masking a massive shiner on the other side? Maybe the post match celebrations got a bit eventful? Seems in great form as ever, clearly a great pundit to be but much coaching career ahead first.
I forgot who it was that flagged up someone (?Newcastle?) would have been gutted they recruited GK coach just before he became available.
Post by: john e on December 20, 2022, 07:24:12 PM
I remember people saying he wouldn’t be coming at the amount to be a no 2
maybe it was just speculation because of the assumed history between Emi and our new manager
or I could easily be misremembering
Post by: algy on December 20, 2022, 07:49:06 PM
Weren’t we/Emery linked with some top keeper recently for a lot of moneyWell, you'd hope we'd have a contingency plan in case of the very real possibility that Emi became highly sought after following the WC.
I remember people saying he wouldn’t be coming at the amount to be a no 2
maybe it was just speculation because of the assumed history between Emi and our new manager
or I could easily be misremembering
I'd rather keep him, because I think - much like Grealish before him - there's a very small number of players in the world who are better than he is (maybe none), and assuming he's happy then we'd be absolutely insane to let him go at any price*.
* assuming no release clause!
Post by: eamonn on December 20, 2022, 07:52:10 PM
Even if his desire is CL football that CL team who ever it might be has to stump up the astronomical amount we’d want for him given he has a 4 year contract still to complete. It ain’t happening unless there’s a Grealishesque release clause.
There probably is a clause as there probably is for Kamara and Luiz. We're shit (up to October 2022) so it's to be expected.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 20, 2022, 08:31:00 PM
https://twitter.com/lebatardshow/status/1605256307048587289?s=46&t=bD0SzAFTgDVbn2qCXlfy7w
(https://i.ibb.co/w0kQYRr/950-CF616-11-FF-4446-8-CDB-01-A568-E77-DD3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/w0kQYRr)
Picture taken above the Obelisco in Buenos Aires
Post by: gpbarr on December 20, 2022, 08:34:38 PM
Even if his desire is CL football that CL team who ever it might be has to stump up the astronomical amount we’d want for him given he has a 4 year contract still to complete. It ain’t happening unless there’s a Grealishesque release clause.
Which if his agent did his job properly, there likely is.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 20, 2022, 08:41:13 PM
Fucking hell
https://twitter.com/lebatardshow/status/1605256307048587289?s=46&t=bD0SzAFTgDVbn2qCXlfy7w
(https://i.ibb.co/w0kQYRr/950-CF616-11-FF-4446-8-CDB-01-A568-E77-DD3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/w0kQYRr)
Picture taken above the Obelisco in Buenos Aires
Leeds would have taken more.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 20, 2022, 08:43:00 PM
Fucking hell
https://twitter.com/lebatardshow/status/1605256307048587289?s=46&t=bD0SzAFTgDVbn2qCXlfy7w
(https://i.ibb.co/w0kQYRr/950-CF616-11-FF-4446-8-CDB-01-A568-E77-DD3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/w0kQYRr)
Picture taken above the Obelisco in Buenos Aires
Leeds would have taken more.
And the noses if they didn't have to put in a put in a double shift
Post by: Herman on December 20, 2022, 08:44:43 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on December 20, 2022, 08:55:44 PM
https://twitter.com/vincentduluc/status/1605104565690707969?t=shqHIacJHvPpwbCjcW87_Q&s=19
Post by: rougegorge on December 20, 2022, 08:56:51 PM
Does seem an odd choice considering he did score a hat-trick.
Post by: villadelph on December 20, 2022, 08:58:29 PM
Some sour grapes from a journalist at L'Equipe.
https://twitter.com/vincentduluc/status/1605104565690707969?t=shqHIacJHvPpwbCjcW87_Q&s=19
Those grapes would make a fantastic whine.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 20, 2022, 09:02:38 PM
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Post by: Chris Harte on December 20, 2022, 10:13:46 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 20, 2022, 10:14:48 PM
Post by: Mellin on December 20, 2022, 10:17:19 PM
Sorry.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on December 20, 2022, 10:19:10 PM
Post by: Rory on December 20, 2022, 10:23:03 PM
I don't know why Mbappe's getting stick. Have I missed something?
Me neither.
Post by: Rory on December 20, 2022, 10:24:15 PM
Aston Villa getting a lot of abuse from French people on Twitter over Emi mocking Mpabbé. Shit club, false club, etc. These people know nothing of our heritage.
Not sure on what basis it's our fault.
Post by: Chris Harte on December 20, 2022, 10:27:32 PM
People love to shit talk and Twitter is perfect for that - most of it is toxic.Aston Villa getting a lot of abuse from French people on Twitter over Emi mocking Mpabbé. Shit club, false club, etc. These people know nothing of our heritage.
Not sure on what basis it's our fault.
Post by: LukeJames on December 20, 2022, 10:29:12 PM
Post by: Rory on December 20, 2022, 10:30:31 PM
People love to shit talk and Twitter is perfect for that - most of it is toxic.Aston Villa getting a lot of abuse from French people on Twitter over Emi mocking Mpabbé. Shit club, false club, etc. These people know nothing of our heritage.
Not sure on what basis it's our fault.
Oh yeah, of course, but he wasn't even representing us at the time. They should focus on Emi or Argentina, not us.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 20, 2022, 10:31:23 PM
Marseille 1993.
Sorry.
Doesn't count. They bought it. File alongside Lance Armstrong's Tour de France wins.
Post by: Mellin on December 20, 2022, 10:35:22 PM
Post by: Chris Harte on December 20, 2022, 10:40:46 PM
They won't though. They see one playing for PSG in the CL and the other playing for 12th placed Villa who haven't been in Europe in a decade and the lazy comparisons start.People love to shit talk and Twitter is perfect for that - most of it is toxic.Aston Villa getting a lot of abuse from French people on Twitter over Emi mocking Mpabbé. Shit club, false club, etc. These people know nothing of our heritage.
Not sure on what basis it's our fault.
Oh yeah, of course, but he wasn't even representing us at the time. They should focus on Emi or Argentina, not us.
Some are saying Mbappé ridiculed south american football before the tournament. Maybe this is Emi's motivation. Or was it a "scored a hat-trick in the final and still lost"-thing?
Post by: Rory on December 20, 2022, 10:55:15 PM
They won't though. They see one playing for PSG in the CL and the other playing for 12th placed Villa who haven't been in Europe in a decade and the lazy comparisons start.People love to shit talk and Twitter is perfect for that - most of it is toxic.Aston Villa getting a lot of abuse from French people on Twitter over Emi mocking Mpabbé. Shit club, false club, etc. These people know nothing of our heritage.
Not sure on what basis it's our fault.
Oh yeah, of course, but he wasn't even representing us at the time. They should focus on Emi or Argentina, not us.
Ah well, in that case, fuck 'em 🙂
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 20, 2022, 10:59:37 PM
Agreed, but wasn't stripped as it should've been unfortunately.
I still don't count it. 🙂
Post by: Mellin on December 20, 2022, 11:21:41 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 21, 2022, 12:19:02 AM
Agreed, but wasn't stripped as it should've been unfortunately.
I still don't count it. 🙂
There may have been a few indiscretions off the field but given they pipped Rangers by a point to get to the final I can live with that.
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 21, 2022, 12:20:34 AM
I won't lose much sleep over it eitherThey won't though. They see one playing for PSG in the CL and the other playing for 12th placed Villa who haven't been in Europe in a decade and the lazy comparisons start.People love to shit talk and Twitter is perfect for that - most of it is toxic.Aston Villa getting a lot of abuse from French people on Twitter over Emi mocking Mpabbé. Shit club, false club, etc. These people know nothing of our heritage.
Not sure on what basis it's our fault.
Oh yeah, of course, but he wasn't even representing us at the time. They should focus on Emi or Argentina, not us.
Ah well, in that case, fuck 'em 🙂
Post by: olaftab on December 21, 2022, 12:23:16 AM
Not sure if you picked it up but the stadium announcer said “Emiliano Martinez of Aston Villa” when he walked up to pick his golden glove, so that I suppose riled them. If so then I love it even more.Aston Villa getting a lot of abuse from French people on Twitter over Emi mocking Mpabbé. Shit club, false club, etc. These people know nothing of our heritage.
Not sure on what basis it's our fault.
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 21, 2022, 12:47:40 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkcfI06X0BYsB27?format=jpg&name=small)Martínez has lost respect yet again with his classless Kylian Mbappé doll at the victory parade.
Also, when Mbappé says South American football isn't as advanced as European football, I don't think EM knows what he's talking about because he left South America to play in Europe. To advance his career at a young age. And where was Martínez at 18-23 turning 24 in his career yet he has audacity to mock Mbappé
They appear to have misinterpreted Mbappé comments, and Martínez
should be humble enough to respect Europe and the career it has provided him, as well as admitting the leagues in several europe nations are far more advanced than what they have in Argentina. Emi
should have far more respect for Kylian Mbappé
Post by: Rory on December 21, 2022, 12:47:42 AM
Not sure if you picked it up but the stadium announcer said “Emiliano Martinez of Aston Villa” when he walked up to pick his golden glove, so that I suppose riled them. If so then I love it even more.Aston Villa getting a lot of abuse from French people on Twitter over Emi mocking Mpabbé. Shit club, false club, etc. These people know nothing of our heritage.
Not sure on what basis it's our fault.
Haha, so we were mentioned right before he started shagging the hand?
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 21, 2022, 12:53:03 AM
Making himself popular (or unpopular in France) by holding Mbappe as a baby during the parade.Emi needs to take a close look at himself and the person he has become.
Does seem an odd choice considering he did score a hat-trick.
It's likely had a significant impact on him, becoming a number one at a Premier League club here at Villa and then moving on to the National team.
His demeanour appears to have shifted to when he first cane to Villa I observed his gratitude and how he was a delightful individual in his interviews, and now he appears to be far less humble than before and agressive with it. Winning the World Cup, as well as hanging out with the Argentinian squad, would have boosted his ego. He's learnt and developed his win at all costs attitude which has seen him basically be like a Bruno Fernandes/Neymar/Richarlison of the goalkeeping world with his antics
Emi, you're better than this.
Be humble again.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 21, 2022, 12:55:43 AM
Or they don’t and go on to be antagonistically irrelevant.
Post by: gpbarr on December 21, 2022, 01:49:46 AM
I don't know why Mbappe's getting stick. Have I missed something?
Me neither.
Because he’s the best player on the planet. Jealousy on full display
Post by: gpbarr on December 21, 2022, 01:51:56 AM
Making himself popular (or unpopular in France) by holding Mbappe as a baby during the parade.Emi needs to take a close look at himself and the person he has become.
Does seem an odd choice considering he did score a hat-trick.
It's likely had a significant impact on him, becoming a number one at a Premier League club here at Villa and then moving on to the National team.
His demeanour appears to have shifted to when he first cane to Villa I observed his gratitude and how he was a delightful individual in his interviews, and now he appears to be far less humble than before and agressive with it. Winning the World Cup, as well as hanging out with the Argentinian squad, would have boosted his ego. He's learnt and developed his win at all costs attitude which has seen him basically be like a Bruno Fernandes/Neymar/Richarlison of the goalkeeping world with his antics
Emi, you're better than this.
Be humble again.
100% agree. He’s looking a bit of a twat right now to be honest
Post by: Rory on December 21, 2022, 02:13:57 AM
I don't know why Mbappe's getting stick. Have I missed something?
Me neither.
Because he’s the best player on the planet. Jealousy on full display
From the Argentina team, though. Why is Emi going about carrying a doll with Mbappe's face on?
Seems like something personal, but I'm not aware of what it might be.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 21, 2022, 02:36:10 AM
Post by: OzVilla on December 21, 2022, 06:01:03 AM
I don't know why Mbappe's getting stick. Have I missed something?
Me neither.
Because he’s the best player on the planet. Jealousy on full display
From the Argentina team, though. Why is Emi going about carrying a doll with Mbappe's face on?
Seems like something personal, but I'm not aware of what it might be.
Didn't Mbappe slag of the Argentinian league prior to the WC? Said is was substandard or words to that effect.
Post by: Bad English on December 21, 2022, 06:36:32 AM
Mbappe is young and his comments have come back to haunt him. Martinez is not coming over as the most elegant of players, indeed it's all quite vulgar and tasteless. However, It is very funny and I can let him off because he plays for us.
*Both Mbappe and Martinez fail to acknowledge that all but the reserve keeper, Armani (River Plate) and Almado the forward (Atlanta United) play in the European leagues but I think Mbappe's comments were in the context of international football.
Post by: olaftab on December 21, 2022, 07:39:10 AM
It’s all ok and no one needs to get upset about it.
Post by: algy on December 21, 2022, 07:55:48 AM
* Footy: nothing meant by that other than you're consistent with your views on that type of thing, which I totally respect. You're one of the few people whose views on Jack Grealish haven't changed since *that* summer for example.
Post by: IFWaters on December 21, 2022, 07:57:21 AM
Post by: IFWaters on December 21, 2022, 08:05:51 AM
The shithouse is ours
The shithouse is ours
Emi Martinez
The shithouse is ours
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 21, 2022, 08:48:49 AM
Mbappe said that South American football wasn't on the same level as European football, where they play elite matches all the time (League of Nations etc ) and that is why Europeans have won all the recent World Cups. This annoyed the Argentinians, and Martinez is quoted as saying Mbappe knows nothing about South America, in Europe they play on perfect surfaces and only have to travel 50km to get to the game whereas we have to go to La Paz where you can't breathe or Chili and play in 30⁰ heat...*
Mbappe is young and his comments have come back to haunt him. Martinez is not coming over as the most elegant of players, indeed it's all quite vulgar and tasteless. However, It is very funny and I can let him off because he plays for us.
*Both Mbappe and Martinez fail to acknowledge that all but the reserve keeper, Armani (River Plate) and Almado the forward (Atlanta United) play in the European leagues but I think Mbappe's comments were in the context of international football.
Thanks for this context. It does seem to have got a bit of over the top, I saw some videos of people with Mbappe's face drawn on a coffin and another of what looked like an effigy being hanged. Not necessarily saying those responsible are racists... but I'm not saying they're not, either. Not a good look.
Post by: Simon Page on December 21, 2022, 09:30:43 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 21, 2022, 09:37:03 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on December 21, 2022, 10:11:38 AM
I just hope he doesn’t come back and transmogrify into Alpay.
Or a psychopathic curry-man.
Post by: eamonn on December 21, 2022, 10:12:24 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 21, 2022, 10:13:58 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 21, 2022, 10:20:02 AM
Post by: olaftab on December 21, 2022, 11:11:35 AM
I wasn't on about the Martinez thing being racist, but the video I saw of someone in Buenos Aires lynching an Mbappe effigy has racist overtones.There is no doubt there are the usual number of racists ****** in the 4 million who were out just as we have our own quota. I think it’s reasonable that normal Argentinian fans treat Mbappe like we abused Fernandes after he sent his kick to mars. It’s what fans do however Emi needs to tone it down a bit. That gesture at the podium takes away a bit from his triumph.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 21, 2022, 11:22:43 AM
Post by: Baldy on December 21, 2022, 11:49:06 AM
Every referee in the world is now aware of his antics and their tolerance levels are likely to be zero. Opposing fans will be on his case from the first minute and will be screaming the referee takes action.
For the foreseeable, Emi might have to change his ways or he could be walking a tightrope!!
Argentina are the winners, I hope Aston Villa are not the losers.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 21, 2022, 11:59:16 AM
On the world stage, Emi's skills and antics certainly contributed to Argentina's win. He is the talk of the world. Do you only get away with those antics once?
Every referee in the world is now aware of his antics and their tolerance levels are likely to be zero. Opposing fans will be on his case from the first minute and will be screaming the referee takes action.
For the foreseeable, Emi might have to change his ways or he could be walking a tightrope!!
Argentina are the winners, I hope Aston Villa are not the losers.
I’m having this very conversation on a What’s App group. I’ve concluded, that Martinez’s work regarding the mind games is done. The world knows he’s good at pens and with the exception of Mbappe penalty takers will have a fear of him saving their kick.
Post by: Baldy on December 21, 2022, 12:22:37 PM
On the world stage, Emi's skills and antics certainly contributed to Argentina's win. He is the talk of the world. Do you only get away with those antics once?
Every referee in the world is now aware of his antics and their tolerance levels are likely to be zero. Opposing fans will be on his case from the first minute and will be screaming the referee takes action.
For the foreseeable, Emi might have to change his ways or he could be walking a tightrope!!
Argentina are the winners, I hope Aston Villa are not the losers.
I’m having this very conversation on a What’s App group. I’ve concluded, that Martinez’s work regarding the mind games is done. The world knows he’s good at pens and with the exception of Mbappe penalty takers will have a fear of him saving their kick.
A fair conclusion. His time wasting habits will probably have to change as well. Could be for the best.
Post by: bob on December 21, 2022, 12:42:19 PM
On the world stage, Emi's skills and antics certainly contributed to Argentina's win. He is the talk of the world. Do you only get away with those antics once?
Every referee in the world is now aware of his antics and their tolerance levels are likely to be zero. Opposing fans will be on his case from the first minute and will be screaming the referee takes action.
For the foreseeable, Emi might have to change his ways or he could be walking a tightrope!!
Argentina are the winners, I hope Aston Villa are not the losers.
I’m having this very conversation on a What’s App group. I’ve concluded, that Martinez’s work regarding the mind games is done. The world knows he’s good at pens and with the exception of Mbappe penalty takers will have a fear of him saving their kick.
A fair conclusion. His time wasting habits will probably have to change as well. Could be for the best.
I've been surprised he has been able to continue getting away with the timewasting in the Premier League.
Evidently the intimidation at penalty kicks will continue to work with some and not others.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 21, 2022, 12:43:37 PM
I love him and the shit housing is usually great but a bit of reflection on his part rather than diving in might be a good idea.
Post by: bob on December 21, 2022, 12:48:14 PM
Emi should lay off Mbappe and perhaps remember he put three penalties past him and scored a hat trick in a World Cup final, whilst being only 23 years old.
I love him and the shit housing is usually great but a bit of reflection on his part rather than diving in might be a good idea.
Scored three penalties and still lost seems like the perfect target.
Post by: gpbarr on December 21, 2022, 12:54:09 PM
Emi should lay off Mbappe and perhaps remember he put three penalties past him and scored a hat trick in a World Cup final, whilst being only 23 years old.
I love him and the shit housing is usually great but a bit of reflection on his part rather than diving in might be a good idea.
Scored three penalties and still lost seems like the perfect target.
Whatever he thinks, Mbappe won their battle - scored a hat trick and nothing Emi could do about it. Emi needs to man up and show some respect.
Post by: bob on December 21, 2022, 12:59:38 PM
Emi should lay off Mbappe and perhaps remember he put three penalties past him and scored a hat trick in a World Cup final, whilst being only 23 years old.
I love him and the shit housing is usually great but a bit of reflection on his part rather than diving in might be a good idea.
Scored three penalties and still lost seems like the perfect target.
Whatever he thinks, Mbappe won their battle - scored a hat trick and nothing Emi could do about it. Emi needs to man up and show some respect.
Yes they were fantastic goals. I really wanted Emi to save the pens. He got so close, but they were too good.
Maybe some of that is coming out.
No need for any hand-wringing about how he chooses to celebrate imo, let him enjoy himself.
Post by: Louzie0 on December 21, 2022, 01:02:44 PM
There’s a short window of opportunity for Emi to make the most of this result, should he wish - and he certainly does!
A lot of us think, well, he’s ours, he’s ‘top of the world, Ma,’ at the moment, which excuses a lot and he’s been absolutely great for Villa, which excuses everything so far.
Then hope that nothing comes back to bite him on the bum later this season, about which I don’t think many of us would be terribly forgiving!
Post by: Simon Page on December 21, 2022, 01:07:59 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 21, 2022, 01:08:54 PM
Emi’s got a World Cup winners medal, Mbappe hasn’t.
There’s a short window of opportunity for Emi to make the most of this result, should he wish - and he certainly does!
A lot of us think, well, he’s ours, he’s ‘top of the world, Ma,’ at the moment, which excuses a lot and he’s been absolutely great for Villa, which excuses everything so far.
Then hope that nothing comes back to bite him on the bum later this season, about which I don’t think many of us would be terribly forgiving!
Mbappe has!
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 21, 2022, 01:13:35 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on December 21, 2022, 02:42:57 PM
Agree with CD re the Copa America though.
Just not trying.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 21, 2022, 02:50:49 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 21, 2022, 02:54:09 PM
Emi should lay off Mbappe and perhaps remember he put three penalties past him and scored a hat trick in a World Cup final, whilst being only 23 years old.
I love him and the shit housing is usually great but a bit of reflection on his part rather than diving in might be a good idea.
He pissed off Fernandez and Manure.
He has pissed off Mbappe and PSG.
Hopefully he will do a few more top players and their clubs so they don't want to sign him.
Post by: Nelly on December 21, 2022, 02:56:38 PM
I just hope he doesn’t come back and transmogrify into Alpay.
Or a psychopathic curry-man.
Half man, half mutton vindaloo.
I wonder how much of this is cultural? Brits tend to try and be magnanimous in victory so it's pretty wild to see someone living with their heart on their sleeve. Martinez just seems fearless to me. Aware of his own ability and strong psychologically. We are so bloody lucky to have him at Villa.
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 21, 2022, 02:59:40 PM
What i hate is these so called pundits on Talk Shite keep banging on about the shithousing.
ITs quite simple - whatever he did it never put off the better players as they scored - it is the weak and inexperienced that fail and that is exactly what it is meant to do.
Mbappe is world class at the end of the day so they are always going to taregt him
Post by: Drummond on December 21, 2022, 03:10:05 PM
https://twitter.com/simpraisa/status/1605034668058869760?s=20&t=HOplT6xYqrT3LbTTXzVIEA
Post by: paul_e on December 21, 2022, 03:11:05 PM
Aside from that the shithousing, the fucking (literally) about with the trophy is just all part of who he is, better this than the media-coached voids of personality like Kane, Owen, etc.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 21, 2022, 03:12:31 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on December 21, 2022, 03:20:06 PM
Post by: Clampy on December 21, 2022, 03:45:36 PM
he went off celebrating.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 21, 2022, 03:45:42 PM
Check this out.... Emi saving a Coutinho penalty from 2009... Argentina v Brazil...
https://twitter.com/simpraisa/status/1605034668058869760?s=20&t=HOplT6xYqrT3LbTTXzVIEA
Wow, the hair styles on both of them. He has the same technique for penalties now, but has to start from behind the line so he is not ahead of it when the ball is struck.
Post by: olaftab on December 21, 2022, 03:45:42 PM
It was apparently ok for Mbappe to piss himself laughing when Kane missed the penalty but he’s suddenly too precious to have EMI take the piss out of him. Some people take all of this stuff far too seriously.Yes and this:
Lloris is a duplicitous as they come. Says he’s been trying to console Kane but that didn’t stop him giving Kane the big fuck off when he missed the pen.
(https://i.ibb.co/MNczvjx/7-F648-C9-A-4911-4757-BD8-A-D71-CBE3-F9-D11.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MNczvjx)
Post by: Somniloquism on December 21, 2022, 03:47:56 PM
I may be wrong about this but I'm sure Martinez went over to console Mbappe after the penalties before
he went off celebrating.
Definitely appeared to do that then Macron I think got there.
Post by: Gerrin on December 21, 2022, 04:27:54 PM
DM are reporting that Spurs want their man back ASAP, but Brighton don't want theirs back until New Year, which seems ridiculous.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11562249/Tottenham-told-Cristian-Romero-England-World-Cup-success.html
He needs to return ASAP imo.
Post by: Bad English on December 21, 2022, 04:37:03 PM
The singing in the changing room should have stayed in the changing room but these things are generally filmed these days so we get to witness some of what goes on in there at times of great excitement.
Emi went over and had a word with Mbappe on the pitch and it all seemed very calm and in good sport. I still maintain that Macron should keep his tiny beak off the pitch but he will do anything to be in the limelight.
The Mbappe effigy on the bus in Buenos Aires was unnecessary but Martinez is lapping it up. It's a good job* we aren't likely to be drawn with PSG in the 'Champions' League because Mbappe might stick another three past him then do a humping gesture and his trademark hugging himself celebration in front of the Holte End.
*Obviously, I wish we were.
Finally, EMI does like to simulate penetration of his opponents to show domination, doesn't he? He did it to Man Yoo fans after Ratface put his penalty into the Irish Sea, and he has now done it to French fans in Qatar. It doesn't bother me as keepers are like chefs, nutters, the lot of 'em. Long may he air hump our opponents after we win games, points and, hopefully, trophies. Unless he fucks off to Man Yoo or Bayern Munich ;-)
Edit. It could easily have been a nightmare for him too: however shite France were for 80 minutes, they nearly won the World Cup with an incredible comeback, without the need for penalties. That amazing save, for which Emi is rightly lauded was the difference between him sitting dejected like Mbappe and being able to take the piss now. Fair play to him!
Post by: LukeJames on December 21, 2022, 04:38:44 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 21, 2022, 04:45:49 PM
It was apparently ok for Mbappe to piss himself laughing when Kane missed the penalty but he’s suddenly too precious to have EMI take the piss out of him. Some people take all of this stuff far too seriously.
Is he? I haven't heard any quote from Mbappe since the World Cup.
Post by: Risso on December 21, 2022, 04:51:51 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on December 21, 2022, 05:00:11 PM
It was apparently ok for Mbappe to piss himself laughing when Kane missed the penalty but he’s suddenly too precious to have EMI take the piss out of him. Some people take all of this stuff far too seriously.
Is he? I haven't heard any quote from Mbappe since the World Cup.
I was referring more to the reaction from outside rather than the player himself.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 21, 2022, 05:03:58 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 21, 2022, 05:15:31 PM
It was apparently ok for Mbappe to piss himself laughing when Kane missed the penalty but he’s suddenly too precious to have EMI take the piss out of him. Some people take all of this stuff far too seriously.
Is he? I haven't heard any quote from Mbappe since the World Cup.
I was referring more to the reaction from outside rather than the player himself.
👍
Post by: eamonn on December 21, 2022, 05:35:29 PM
It was apparently ok for Mbappe to piss himself laughing when Kane missed the penalty but he’s suddenly too precious to have EMI take the piss out of him. Some people take all of this stuff far too seriously.
Is he? I haven't heard any quote from Mbappe since the World Cup.
EMI took the piss out of the artists on their roster for years before mismanagement saw the label being sold to private equity vulture, Guy Hands.
Johnny Rotten had it right, all along.
Post by: eamonn on December 21, 2022, 05:36:24 PM
Check this out.... Emi saving a Coutinho penalty from 2009... Argentina v Brazil...
https://twitter.com/simpraisa/status/1605034668058869760?s=20&t=HOplT6xYqrT3LbTTXzVIEA
Wow, the hair styles on both of them. He has the same technique for penalties now, but has to start from behind the line so he is not ahead of it when the ball is struck.
Looks like something from the 70s, not 12 or 13 years ago!
Post by: Risso on December 21, 2022, 05:57:09 PM
Post by: Chris Harte on December 21, 2022, 05:57:42 PM
I didn't realise that. Wish I'd noticed lol.Not sure if you picked it up but the stadium announcer said “Emiliano Martinez of Aston Villa” when he walked up to pick his golden glove, so that I suppose riled them. If so then I love it even more.Aston Villa getting a lot of abuse from French people on Twitter over Emi mocking Mpabbé. Shit club, false club, etc. These people know nothing of our heritage.
Not sure on what basis it's our fault.
Anyway, let Emi have his moment. As the saying goes, tomorrow is never guaranteed. He may never go to another world cup.
Post by: aj2k77 on December 21, 2022, 06:13:46 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 21, 2022, 06:34:09 PM
Aston Villa getting a lot of abuse from French people on Twitter over Emi mocking Mpabbé. Shit club, false club, etc. These people know nothing of our heritage.
They haven't forgiven us for going to St Etienne for a pre season friendly in 1977 and inflicting what was their first home defeat in 3 years.
Post by: Bad English on December 21, 2022, 07:49:17 PM
The French can fuck off. We buy their players to make them sit on our bench for 3 years.Only the shit ones.
Apropos of nothing, looking at the wider picture. There were 5 players who play in England in the French squad of 25. Of those only three were regulars: Lloris, Varane, and Konaté. Saliba got 27 minutes and Areola (W Ham) is 3rd choice keeper, and would not have been there if Mike Maignan wasn't injured. Obviously, others have played in England (Veretout, Giroud...)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 21, 2022, 08:19:36 PM
They haven't forgiven us for going to St Etienne for a pre season friendly in 1977 and inflicting what was their first home defeat in 3 years.
Didn't the French Press dub that 'Le Pop Band' derby?
Post by: Chris Harte on December 21, 2022, 08:26:12 PM
I think, and I stand to be corrected, that St Etienne only came to promence in the 1990s.They haven't forgiven us for going to St Etienne for a pre season friendly in 1977 and inflicting what was their first home defeat in 3 years.
Didn't the French Press dub that 'Le Pop Band' derby?
Post by: eamonn on December 21, 2022, 08:41:07 PM
Post by: CT Villan on December 21, 2022, 08:53:00 PM
Congrats Emi on your undeniable talent and thanks Neil for bringing it to the fore.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 21, 2022, 10:32:17 PM
The gesture at the podium was funny, in an "I can't believe he just did that in front of the Qataris" way. I'd like them to move on from the Mbappe taunting now, though.
Probably didn't know what to do in reality. Probably still absolutely buzzing after the penalties and got carried away.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 21, 2022, 10:38:22 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 21, 2022, 10:52:55 PM
Quite possibly. Mirror reporting he's out of the Liverpool game, probably not much of a surprise.
Probably for the best after the massive bender he’s still on by the look of it.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on December 22, 2022, 01:22:48 AM
Lloris is a duplicitous as they come. Says he’s been trying to console Kane but that didn’t stop him giving Kane the big fuck off when he missed the pen.
(https://i.ibb.co/MNczvjx/7-F648-C9-A-4911-4757-BD8-A-D71-CBE3-F9-D11.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MNczvjx)
That picture looks odd though. Zoom-lens trickery I suspect.
Post by: Bad English on December 22, 2022, 06:55:35 AM
The outrage over the Mbappe doll seems excessive to me. Surely it was just thrown up by onto the bus by one of the fans and he's grabbed it for a laugh, a fucking Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle got thrown up on there aswell ffs. I doubt he was looking around Doha Airport for a 442 magazine, some craft scissors and a childs doll.There is another video on Twitter (https://twitter.com/EspoirsduFoot/status/1605641792660963328) where he humps the Mbappe doll and then laughs while doing the 'shhh don't tell anyone' gesture to the crowd. Clearly, enjoying the win. The comments in French range from "Ah well, pissed as a fart" to "Harrumph! Aston Villa should rip up his contract so he finds himself without a club." Good luck with that one Monsieur !
Post by: Mister E on December 22, 2022, 09:30:28 AM
Incorrect. St Etienne were big in the 1970's.I think, and I stand to be corrected, that St Etienne only came to prominence in the 1990s.They haven't forgiven us for going to St Etienne for a pre season friendly in 1977 and inflicting what was their first home defeat in 3 years.Didn't the French Press dub that 'Le Pop Band' derby?
Post by: Chris Harte on December 22, 2022, 04:50:22 PM
The football team, yes. I was on about the pop group though.Incorrect. St Etienne were big in the 1970's.I think, and I stand to be corrected, that St Etienne only came to prominence in the 1990s.They haven't forgiven us for going to St Etienne for a pre season friendly in 1977 and inflicting what was their first home defeat in 3 years.Didn't the French Press dub that 'Le Pop Band' derby?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 22, 2022, 06:20:11 PM
With a stonking cover of Only Love Can Break Your Heart.
I endorse this message.
Post by: LeeB on December 22, 2022, 07:20:43 PM
With a stonking cover of Only Love Can Break Your Heart.
I endorse this message.
Reminds me of being 16 and copping off with a girl I shouldn't have on a field trip, and my girlfriend at the time finding out seemingly before we'd even got back.
And the real king of that album is Nothing Can Stop Us Now.
Post by: Risso on December 22, 2022, 07:47:06 PM
And the real king of that album is Nothing Can Stop Us Now.
Correct.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 22, 2022, 07:54:52 PM
With a stonking cover of Only Love Can Break Your Heart.
I endorse this message.
Reminds me of being 16 and copping off with a girl I shouldn't have on a field trip, and my girlfriend at the time finding out seemingly before we'd even got back.
And the real king of that album is Nothing Can Stop Us Now.
I'd forgotten about that song. Just listened. I will now have a spring in my step while I walk to the university to buy my Christmas gear.
Post by: KevinGage on December 22, 2022, 08:33:51 PM
With a stonking cover of Only Love Can Break Your Heart.
I endorse this message.
Andrew Weatherall mix for the win.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 22, 2022, 09:02:07 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 22, 2022, 09:02:45 PM
And the real king of that album is Nothing Can Stop Us Now.
Correct.
Thirded.
Post by: Tayls_7 on December 22, 2022, 10:42:14 PM
And the real king of that album is Nothing Can Stop Us Now.
Correct.
Thirded.
Hobart Paving is their best song in my opinion. Great band anyway.
Post by: eamonn on December 23, 2022, 12:27:52 AM
Post by: Risso on December 23, 2022, 12:57:06 AM
But anyway, we seem to have run out of goalies, so if Mr Martinez could drag his arse back and do the job he's paid handsomely to do, that would be nice.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 23, 2022, 02:03:45 AM
https://twitter.com/drewwalsh32/status/1606031213462016001?s=46&t=bZUgFe_Hs0TnkgvSQyzsRg
Post by: eamonn on December 23, 2022, 02:24:53 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 23, 2022, 02:46:05 AM
OK, only if he foregoes his wages this week.
Yeh the club should try and ask for that. I am sure it would be happily received by Emi and his agent. Blimey, I'm glad I don't work for you
Post by: purpletrousers on December 23, 2022, 02:49:27 AM
OK, only if he foregoes his wages this week.
Yeh the club should try and ask for that. I am sure it would be happily received by Emi and his agent. Blimey, I'm glad I don't work for you
Oh I don’t know, I’ve found a boss with a sense of humour quite a good thing.
Post by: Rory on December 23, 2022, 03:38:53 AM
I realize we all want him back but the adulation he is getting back home is something he should be allowed to enjoy. It might be a once in lifetime event. And if the club make demands of him to get home it could alienate him. He’s a brilliant pro and soon as he gets back I have no doubt he will be focused and ready to pledge himself to our cause. 150k people showed up in his home town and he’s been given the keys to the city.
https://twitter.com/drewwalsh32/status/1606031213462016001?s=46&t=bZUgFe_Hs0TnkgvSQyzsRg
I agree. It's a huge deal for him, and he's been working the last six weeks whereas most of our squad have been doing standard training and sleeping in their own beds.
If he returns reluctantly, he won't be in the right frame of mind. His performances for us are what got him there, so we've already had the benefit over the last however many months.
I am club over country 100 times out of 100, but my position is to give him a pass for one game to celebrate what will almost certainly be the highlight of his career.
Post by: algy on December 23, 2022, 08:12:13 AM
I realize we all want him back but the adulation he is getting back home is something he should be allowed to enjoy. It might be a once in lifetime event. And if the club make demands of him to get home it could alienate him. He’s a brilliant pro and soon as he gets back I have no doubt he will be focused and ready to pledge himself to our cause. 150k people showed up in his home town and he’s been given the keys to the city.Agree completely. The guy was the hero of the world cup winning team and he should absolutely be allowed to soak in every moment of that.
https://twitter.com/drewwalsh32/status/1606031213462016001?s=46&t=bZUgFe_Hs0TnkgvSQyzsRg
Post by: Nev on December 23, 2022, 09:14:20 AM
But they, like Emi have achieved what everyone who plays their sport wants to so looking at it another way, they have earned the right.
Now when people act like monumental arses, having only made a minor contribution to a team success, that's a different matter.....
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 23, 2022, 10:28:24 AM
I've cringed at some of the things he's done but then I can be a bit of a stick in the mud sometimes. I was like that when the 2005 Ashes team were on TV obviously pissed as rats.
But they, like Emi have achieved what everyone who plays their sport wants to so looking at it another way, they have earned the right.
Now when people act like monumental arses, having only made a minor contribution to a team success, that's a different matter.....
Except for Paul Collingwood who famously received his honour for scoring 7 at the Oval. I think.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on December 23, 2022, 11:37:59 AM
Sarah Cracknell has a lovely voice. Was lovely to look at too.
And when they played a gig in Brum, the backdrop to their stage set was a large sign reading “Viva Ron Saunders”. Gotta love them for that alone.
Post by: Exeter 77 on December 23, 2022, 11:54:58 AM
Post by: LeeB on December 23, 2022, 12:00:32 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 23, 2022, 12:14:43 PM
With a stonking cover of Only Love Can Break Your Heart.
I endorse this message.
Andrew Weatherall mix for the win.
As much as I love Weatherall, Masters At Work Dub is the one
Post by: Drummond on December 23, 2022, 12:15:42 PM
With a stonking cover of Only Love Can Break Your Heart.
I endorse this message.
Andrew Weatherall mix for the win.
As much as I love Weatherall, Masters At Work Dub is the one
This would be correct
Post by: Dogtanian on December 23, 2022, 02:31:18 PM
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on December 23, 2022, 03:59:55 PM
It's Christmas, so...
I was at the Shiine On weekender last month in Minehead, and St Etienne were on straight after Tim Burgess (which incidentally was straight after we watched Villa win at Brighton - a good afternoon), so we thought they might perform this together, however they did not.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 23, 2022, 04:40:25 PM
“He’s coming back next week. I want him to rest now because after big emotion and hard work, he has to have some days off to rest then he’ll come back to work with us.” says Emery in his press conference.
Whereas ten Haag has gone the opposite route with his Martinez saying that the player needs to get back for the game on the 27th. I wonder which managers approach will have the best outcome. I’ll put my money on Emery.
Post by: olaftab on December 23, 2022, 04:50:16 PM
Well Ten Hag's man did very little during the world cup and sat on the bench picking the splinters out of his arse in the semi and final so he should have returned last Monday.“He’s coming back next week. I want him to rest now because after big emotion and hard work, he has to have some days off to rest then he’ll come back to work with us.” says Emery in his press conference.
Whereas ten Haag has gone the opposite route with his Martinez saying that the player needs to get back for the game on the 27th. I wonder which managers approach will have the best outcome. I’ll put my money on Emery.
Post by: ozzjim on December 23, 2022, 05:40:52 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 23, 2022, 05:46:57 PM
Winning the world cup is a once in a lifetime. The fact FIFA stupidly played it at a silly time of the season is not Emi's fault. To expect the team that won the world cup to be in club action less than 10 days later is, in my opinion, short sighted. I'm glad Villa had a stance of a 7-10 day period for the players to come back.
Correct. While the WC provided some great football because it was mid season, the other side of it is that under normal circumstances these players would get time off after the event. And certainly those who end up playing late into the tournament deserve their time let alone the energy and emotion expended to win it. That’s before you get to the events after. We are doing it the right way.
Post by: Risso on December 23, 2022, 05:51:42 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on December 23, 2022, 06:24:43 PM
Post by: JD on December 23, 2022, 08:21:50 PM
I realize we all want him back but the adulation he is getting back home is something he should be allowed to enjoy. It might be a once in lifetime event. And if the club make demands of him to get home it could alienate him. He’s a brilliant pro and soon as he gets back I have no doubt he will be focused and ready to pledge himself to our cause. 150k people showed up in his home town and he’s been given the keys to the city.
https://twitter.com/drewwalsh32/status/1606031213462016001?s=46&t=bZUgFe_Hs0TnkgvSQyzsRg
I agree. It's a huge deal for him, and he's been working the last six weeks whereas most of our squad have been doing standard training and sleeping in their own beds.
If he returns reluctantly, he won't be in the right frame of mind. His performances for us are what got him there, so we've already had the benefit over the last however many months.
I am club over country 100 times out of 100, but my position is to give him a pass for one game to celebrate what will almost certainly be the highlight of his career.
Totally agree Rory.
Post by: OzVilla on December 23, 2022, 09:54:56 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 23, 2022, 10:00:48 PM
Post by: German James on December 24, 2022, 11:50:34 AM
* "shithousing" = "being a dick"
Post by: Steve67 on December 24, 2022, 12:19:19 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 24, 2022, 12:56:32 PM
I see Patrick Viera is the latest to have a pop at Emi. Nothing to do with being French though, eh Patrick? Bitter bollocks!I am still waiting for him, & everybody else whinging about Martinez, to have a pop at Mbappes hyena laugh after Kanes missed penalty…
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 24, 2022, 02:26:50 PM
I don't think people need to be quite so precious about him. He's a professional sportsman; and he should be back doing his day job. He's a very good goalie, but he's clearly a bit of a dick* and I don't think he needs his ego massaging too much.What's interesting is that Emery will almost certainly have words with Martinez about how he conducts himself when he plays for Villa.
* "shithousing" = "being a dick"
This was stated during his press conference.
Emery wasn't overly impressed, but he's wise to say it's his national team's responsibility when he's with them.
If Martinez is to become captain, he must be mindful of how he conducts himself as an Aston Villa football club representative.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 24, 2022, 02:27:09 PM
Post by: algy on December 24, 2022, 02:57:42 PM
I get that Emi’s celebrations were a bit tasteless, but the fuss about it has gone way over the top now - “tainted their win”, give me a break.I agree. He's been a bit of a prick, but if that's a crime then the courts are going to be backed up for a long time.
Emery should probably have a quiet word with him, but I don't think it needs to go any further than that, and IMO he's not done anything particularly terrible. Just got a bit carried away, which given what he's achieved ...
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 24, 2022, 03:30:46 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 24, 2022, 03:32:55 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 24, 2022, 03:37:31 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 24, 2022, 03:39:54 PM
The only one things that has pissed me off, is Villa's lack of effort to get him back for Monday's game.
What lack of effort? He just won the WC. He then flew to Argentina from Qatar. They had all kinds of parades. It was utter madness. Should the club have told him he must be back for the game on Monday and he mentally and physically ready to play? How would that have gone down? Do you think he’d have looked at us and said “yeh I want to stick with this lot long term”. Or was it better we understood this was a once in a lifetime experience and he should be able to enjoy it? I think that garners way more loyalty and appreciation from the player than laying down some law and ultimately pissing him off.
Post by: LeeB on December 24, 2022, 03:56:56 PM
And in typical Villa style, the first time it happens is also the first time one of players goes all the way and is impacted by it.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 24, 2022, 04:12:42 PM
The problem is from having a World Cup in the middle of the bastard season.
And in typical Villa style, the first time it happens is also the first time one of players goes all the way and is impacted by it.
Precisely. I lay all the blame with Argentina and Emi being ace, coupled with our general historical misfortune. For those upset at Emi being away we should just buy player from shit nations. Oh and Germany and Belgium. And those useless Italians who didn’t even make it.
Post by: john e on December 24, 2022, 04:55:05 PM
anything less is frankly a piss poor attitude
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 24, 2022, 05:03:15 PM
he should have flown straight back after the game, maybe a couple of selfies with Salt Bae and then immediately back to training the following morning
anything less is frankly a piss poor attitude
It's the apex of his career. I think it's justified to book some annual leave to enjoy it.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 24, 2022, 05:09:45 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on December 24, 2022, 05:25:49 PM
Speaking of pricks…Salt Bae. What a fucking penis
Is it Sacha Baron Cohen? He can’t be real.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 24, 2022, 05:29:30 PM
Speaking of pricks…Salt Bae. What a fucking penis
Is it Sacha Baron Cohen? He can’t be real.
Ha you would think so right. He’s beyond a fucking parody. But he’s very real and the antics on the pitch were reprehensible. But it was FIFA that allowed it to happen, and especially that bent prick Infantino.
Post by: john e on December 24, 2022, 06:03:25 PM
he should have flown straight back after the game, maybe a couple of selfies with Salt Bae and then immediately back to training the following morning
anything less is frankly a piss poor attitude
It's the apex of his career. I think it's justified to book some annual leave to enjoy it.
I know tongue in cheek post which didn’t come over as such
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 24, 2022, 06:22:47 PM
I hope he is having the time of his life and our club embraces him for as long as he needs. Imagine our players, especially Buendia, when he rocks up to training with that medal around his neck. It is the highest honour that most players can only dream about to be part of the team, I.agine being directly responsible for winning it, not in a single game but over several.
Fuck me I'm proud of him and that he is with our team
Post by: rougegorge on December 24, 2022, 06:26:57 PM
If this it to be believed, he wants to sell Emi and get in Bono.
https://www.fichajes.net/noticias/unai-emery-no-aguanta-emiliano-martinez-quiere-fuera-aston-villa-20221224.html
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 24, 2022, 06:29:12 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 24, 2022, 07:03:35 PM
Post by: Chris Harte on December 24, 2022, 07:05:20 PM
I'm not sure how reliable this Spanish site is, but it suggests that Emery doesn't see eye to eye with Martínez and that there were some run ins even before the World Cup. If so, it would have been odd to have fallen out so quickly.Not a single quote in there, It's bollocks, IMO.
If this it to be believed, he wants to sell Emi and get in Bono.
https://www.fichajes.net/noticias/unai-emery-no-aguanta-emiliano-martinez-quiere-fuera-aston-villa-20221224.html
Post by: john e on December 24, 2022, 07:12:26 PM
What will be will be and we can do nothing about it, so just enjoy what we got while we got it
Post by: KevinGage on December 24, 2022, 09:06:37 PM
After Grealish when I’d read all the theories on here and elsewhere and had convinced myself that he loved Villa and was staying only to realise that he’d been muscling for a move for ages I’m not going to be taken in again
What will be will be and we can do nothing about it, so just enjoy what we got while we got it
Indeed.
I reckon Martinez is grateful to the Villa for the chance to establish himself as no 1 for club and country.
But if we don't make suitable progress on the pitch that gratitude won't extend to wasting 4 to 5 years with us in midtable or lower.
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 24, 2022, 09:07:25 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 24, 2022, 09:50:57 PM
For those who say he's bound to leave because Grealish did, pretty much every non-Villa fan on Earth thought we robbed Man City blind with the fee we got. It's far from guaranteed that anyone gets close to our valuation for Martinez.
Post by: gpbarr on December 24, 2022, 10:03:07 PM
The "right offer" would probably be £60 million+. Who is going to pay that?
For those who say he's bound to leave because Grealish did, pretty much every non-Villa fan on Earth thought we robbed Man City blind with the fee we got. It's far from guaranteed that anyone gets close to our valuation for Martinez.
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So we keep a player against his will to leave. Very rarely ends well.
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 24, 2022, 10:08:09 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 24, 2022, 10:25:13 PM
Who, apart from clickbait journalists and Villa supporters, says he wants to leave?Nobody Dave.
He's ours.
Post by: paul_e on December 24, 2022, 10:36:09 PM
The "right offer" would probably be £60 million+. Who is going to pay that?
For those who say he's bound to leave because Grealish did, pretty much every non-Villa fan on Earth thought we robbed Man City blind with the fee we got. It's far from guaranteed that anyone gets close to our valuation for Martinez.
So we keep a player against his will to leave. Very rarely ends well.
Do you have an example of a Villa player where it's ended badly? I can think of loads where the fan response has been exactly like yours but every player I can think of in the last 20-30 years who wanted to go and then didn't, for whatever reason, either carried on playing and was professional enough to get on with it or was Alpay. Barry was professional, Benteke was professional, Luiz has bene professional, fuck even Grealish got on with things after looking like he was going twice before he actually left.
Players downing tools after failing to get a move is a bit of a myth really, for every Odemwingie or Ronaldo there are a hundred players who realise throwing a toddler like strop and/or refusing to play doesn't work out for anyone.
Martinez wants to be number 1 for club and country, if we don't let him leave that will still be his goal so he'll just get on with it. That's why him being on a long contract gives us a lot more say in matters. Given when he got a new deal I can understand he might have a clause but if he does it will reflect the fact that he was Arginetine number 1, had a copa america medal in his pocket and had established himself as one of the best keepers in the league, as CD says, it'll be at least £60m, probably plenty on top of that.
Post by: Beard82 on December 24, 2022, 11:33:55 PM
Can’t see him going in Jan - and maybe with a good coach and investment in Jan we might have a pleasant surprise come the end of the season
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 24, 2022, 11:45:29 PM
Post by: olaftab on December 25, 2022, 12:09:41 AM
Post by: FatSam on December 25, 2022, 12:25:10 AM
We shouldn't be looking at selling Martinez. We should be looking at signing Mbappe.I like your style.
Post by: LukeJames on December 25, 2022, 01:42:01 AM
Speaking of pricks…Salt Bae. What a fucking penisI don't blame him, these dickheads spend £700 on a steak at his restaurant and upload pictures of him sprinkling shit onto it and then upload the receipt onto 'the gram'. Hes a fucking genius as far as im concerned and he's lapping it up while he can.
Post by: Clampy on December 25, 2022, 08:14:11 AM
Post by: Mister E on December 25, 2022, 09:24:51 AM
'Style' and 'Woodhall' in the same sentence? Whatever next?!! - it must be Christmas.We shouldn't be looking at selling Martinez. We should be looking at signing Mbappe.I like your style.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on December 25, 2022, 09:27:53 AM
We shouldn't be looking at selling Martinez. We should be looking at signing Mbappe.
Not sure he'd want come though, with Martinez here.
Post by: luke95 on December 25, 2022, 12:05:49 PM
We shouldn't be looking at selling Martinez. We should be looking at signing Mbappe.
Too much Christmas Sherry ??
Whether you agree or not it simply won't happen while the club & player are in their current positions
Post by: Rory on December 25, 2022, 12:11:23 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 25, 2022, 01:20:40 PM
We shouldn't be looking at selling Martinez. We should be looking at signing Mbappe.
Too much Christmas Sherry ??
Whether you agree or not it simply won't happen while the club & player are in their current positions
It's not to be taken literally, what he's saying - and I hate to sound like I'm putting words into the mouth of our glorious leader - is that we should be thinking about buying better players than we're used to, not getting shot of the high profile winner
Post by: Chris Harte on December 25, 2022, 01:36:17 PM
What I don't believe is that:
A) The relationship between Emery and Martínez has irrecoverably broken down, as claimed by Fichajes yesterday.
B) Martínez has a difficult personality, as claimed by Fichajes yesterday. If he had then surely we'd have heard about it before now.
C) Emery wants Martínez gone as soon as possible, as claimed by Fichajes.
D) That Fichajes is a credible sports news site, especially with no quotes to back up the above.
This story has now been regurgitated in English by SPORTbible, for clicks, obviously.
Post by: olaftab on December 25, 2022, 02:37:53 PM
I like it when some of these whippersnappers don't realise who Dave is and think they can address him like a normal person.I know! I always approach Legion first, explain myself and then after some consideration permission is granted however mostly I still have to make my point through several intermediaries. I know my place.
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 25, 2022, 02:40:18 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 25, 2022, 04:16:00 PM
We shouldn't be looking at selling Martinez. We should be looking at signing Mbappe.
Too much Christmas Sherry ??
Whether you agree or not it simply won't happen while the club & player are in their current positions
It's not to be taken literally, what he's saying - and I hate to sound like I'm putting words into the mouth of our glorious leader - is that we should be thinking about buying better players than we're used to, not getting shot of the high profile winnerswe already have.
That and the fact we shouldn’t be such fucking pushovers as a fan base that every time one of our players makes it we are faster to sell them than the club is. Two things have changed. One we are not owned by Doug. Second we are not owned by the end of tenure broke Lerner. Yes we sold Jack under NSWE. Every player has a price and Martinez will no different so IF he is sold it would be for some obnoxious price. But I will put my money is NOT wanting to sell him and if we do very much as per our terms. The amount of shitting of pants since the WC final has been embarrassing on some fronts. We only had a couple of players at the tournament. If we get to where we want to be by 2026 we will have many more. To do that we need to keep Emi and buy players to ensure his success and happiness.
Post by: Lsvilla on December 25, 2022, 06:12:56 PM
This. Cit£h had 16 played at the World Cup. Quite a few of which hardly get a kick in the premier league. We shouldn't be thinking about selling but about buying. We are wealthy. With a top manager (count the trophies). And ambition to match anyone. Time to start showing it.We shouldn't be looking at selling Martinez. We should be looking at signing Mbappe.
Too much Christmas Sherry ??
Whether you agree or not it simply won't happen while the club & player are in their current positions
It's not to be taken literally, what he's saying - and I hate to sound like I'm putting words into the mouth of our glorious leader - is that we should be thinking about buying better players than we're used to, not getting shot of the high profile winnerswe already have.
That and the fact we shouldn’t be such fucking pushovers as a fan base that every time one of our players makes it we are faster to sell them than the club is. Two things have changed. One we are not owned by Doug. Second we are not owned by the end of tenure broke Lerner. Yes we sold Jack under NSWE. Every player has a price and Martinez will no different so IF he is sold it would be for some obnoxious price. But I will put my money is NOT wanting to sell him and if we do very much as per our terms. The amount of shitting of pants since the WC final has been embarrassing on some fronts. We only had a couple of players at the tournament. If we get to where we want to be by 2026 we will have many more. To do that we need to keep Emi and buy players to ensure his success and happiness.
Post by: Martyn Smith on December 25, 2022, 07:06:18 PM
I'm not sure how reliable this Spanish site is, but it suggests that Emery doesn't see eye to eye with Martínez and that there were some run ins even before the World Cup. If so, it would have been odd to have fallen out so quickly.
If this it to be believed, he wants to sell Emi and get in Bono.
https://www.fichajes.net/noticias/unai-emery-no-aguanta-emiliano-martinez-quiere-fuera-aston-villa-20221224.html
Apparently not. When asked why he declined to pursue the transfer, Emery said that he still hadn't found what he was looking for
Post by: Martyn Smith on December 25, 2022, 07:09:16 PM
Oh great, here comes about three pages worth of unfunny shit.
I've tried to get it started...
Post by: Martyn Smith on December 25, 2022, 07:11:30 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 25, 2022, 07:13:36 PM
Post by: Kevin Dawson on December 25, 2022, 07:31:36 PM
I'm not sure how reliable this Spanish site is, but it suggests that Emery doesn't see eye to eye with Martínez and that there were some run ins even before the World Cup. If so, it would have been odd to have fallen out so quickly.
If this it to be believed, he wants to sell Emi and get in Bono.
https://www.fichajes.net/noticias/unai-emery-no-aguanta-emiliano-martinez-quiere-fuera-aston-villa-20221224.html
Apparently not. When asked why he declined to pursue the transfer, Emery said that he still hadn't found what he was looking for
Emi asked Emery if he wanted him to stay, and Emery said that we'd achieve success with or without you.
Post by: LeeB on December 25, 2022, 09:14:24 PM
I'm not sure how reliable this Spanish site is, but it suggests that Emery doesn't see eye to eye with Martínez and that there were some run ins even before the World Cup. If so, it would have been odd to have fallen out so quickly.
If this it to be believed, he wants to sell Emi and get in Bono.
https://www.fichajes.net/noticias/unai-emery-no-aguanta-emiliano-martinez-quiere-fuera-aston-villa-20221224.html
Apparently not. When asked why he declined to pursue the transfer, Emery said that he still hadn't found what he was looking for
They went to scout him but got lost, he plays where the streets have no name.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 25, 2022, 09:44:30 PM
Post by: Martyn Smith on December 25, 2022, 10:07:09 PM
Post by: Martyn Smith on December 25, 2022, 10:07:44 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 25, 2022, 11:37:38 PM
Post by: Drummond on December 26, 2022, 12:14:35 AM
Post by: Rory on December 26, 2022, 12:28:54 AM
Post by: Baldy on December 26, 2022, 08:01:08 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 26, 2022, 11:56:04 AM
Post by: Tayls_7 on December 26, 2022, 12:06:35 PM
According to football insider we are looking at American keeper Joshua Tree as his potential replacement.
Are you sure? I've searched Wikipedia and I still haven't found what I'm looking for?
Post by: Flamingo Lane on December 26, 2022, 12:24:23 PM
Post by: olaftab on December 26, 2022, 12:57:29 PM
Whatever happens there is no Exit for Emi.According to football insider we are looking at American keeper Joshua Tree as his potential replacement.
Are you sure? I've searched Wikipedia and I still haven't found what I'm looking for?
Post by: gpbarr on December 26, 2022, 01:24:23 PM
The "right offer" would probably be £60 million+. Who is going to pay that?
For those who say he's bound to leave because Grealish did, pretty much every non-Villa fan on Earth thought we robbed Man City blind with the fee we got. It's far from guaranteed that anyone gets close to our valuation for Martinez.
So we keep a player against his will to leave. Very rarely ends well.
Do you have an example of a Villa player where it's ended badly? I can think of loads where the fan response has been exactly like yours but every player I can think of in the last 20-30 years who wanted to go and then didn't, for whatever reason, either carried on playing and was professional enough to get on with it or was Alpay. Barry was professional, Benteke was professional, Luiz has bene professional, fuck even Grealish got on with things after looking like he was going twice before he actually left.
Players downing tools after failing to get a move is a bit of a myth really, for every Odemwingie or Ronaldo there are a hundred players who realise throwing a toddler like strop and/or refusing to play doesn't work out for anyone.
Martinez wants to be number 1 for club and country, if we don't let him leave that will still be his goal so he'll just get on with it. That's why him being on a long contract gives us a lot more say in matters. Given when he got a new deal I can understand he might have a clause but if he does it will reflect the fact that he was Arginetine number 1, had a copa america medal in his pocket and had established himself as one of the best keepers in the league, as CD says, it'll be at least £60m, probably plenty on top of that.
Fair. Though what goes on behind the scenes and the unsettling effect of other players knowing someone wanted off is a concern.
Anyhow let’s all just hope this is irrelevant. We want him here for years to come and, so long there is real investment in the squad now that we have the right guy in charge, and we continue our progression up the table and into Europe, perhaps he will be.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 26, 2022, 01:33:57 PM
According to football insider we are looking at American keeper Joshua Tree as his potential replacement.
Doesn’t come off his line much though, I’d say he’s rooted to it.
Post by: Clampy on December 26, 2022, 01:41:42 PM
According to football insider we are looking at American keeper Joshua Tree as his potential replacement.
This made me lol as the kids say.
Post by: Rodders on December 26, 2022, 01:43:05 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCStatto/status/1607313100612710400?t=iQbok4jCPXofMx9sEX1lDA&s=19
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on December 26, 2022, 01:44:15 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 27, 2022, 10:43:28 AM
Post by: exigo on December 27, 2022, 10:53:29 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/QQQYQ1z/Screenshot-2022-12-27-at-10-52-28.png) (https://ibb.co/QQQYQ1z)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 28, 2022, 06:01:39 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on December 28, 2022, 08:42:01 PM
Brilliant article about the world's number one keeper.
Post by: Pete3206 on December 28, 2022, 08:44:46 PM
Post by: j66acd on December 28, 2022, 09:01:20 PM
Due back in training tomorrow apparently.
Family still in Argentina so can’t see it myself. Surely not playing on Sunday if he’s not back tomorrow.
Post by: purpletrousers on December 28, 2022, 09:34:24 PM
https://www.espn.com/soccer/argentina-arg/story/4837175/world-cup-argentina-aston-villa-gk-emiliano-martinez-backs-up-bravado-with-his-play
Brilliant article about the world's number one keeper.
indeed. Thank you.
Post by: nigel on December 28, 2022, 09:53:40 PM
According to FaceTwitters, we're selling him for £158 million plus 8 players in our direction. FACT!
I didn’t believe that until I saw you’d put ‘Fact’ at the end, so that made it real 😂
Post by: Bad English on December 28, 2022, 10:29:51 PM
Post by: Drummond on December 29, 2022, 12:33:54 AM
https://www.espn.com/soccer/argentina-arg/story/4837175/world-cup-argentina-aston-villa-gk-emiliano-martinez-backs-up-bravado-with-his-play
Brilliant article about the world's number one keeper.
indeed. Thank you.
Yes, really enjoyed reading that.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 29, 2022, 01:18:04 AM
Messi has been given until New Year's Day by PSG. He's due back in on the '2nd or 3rd'. Might play a football match on the 11th.
I'd imagine that Messi tells PSG when he will or won't be returning!
Post by: Mellin on December 29, 2022, 01:24:16 AM
Post by: darren woolley on December 29, 2022, 09:45:07 AM
https://www.espn.com/soccer/argentina-arg/story/4837175/world-cup-argentina-aston-villa-gk-emiliano-martinez-backs-up-bravado-with-his-play
Brilliant article about the world's number one keeper.
I agree what a brilliant article.
Post by: DB on December 29, 2022, 09:53:44 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on December 29, 2022, 10:05:04 AM
Post by: UK Redsox on December 29, 2022, 12:14:28 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on December 29, 2022, 12:15:22 PM
Cant help but think we've made a mistake letting Cutler go.
Possibly...but remember that Cutler was also Olsen's goalkeeping coach
Post by: andyh on December 29, 2022, 12:23:09 PM
You can’t polish a turdCant help but think we've made a mistake letting Cutler go.
Possibly...but remember that Cutler was also Olsen's goalkeeping coach
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 29, 2022, 12:57:09 PM
Due back in training tomorrow apparently.
Family still in Argentina so can’t see it myself. Surely not playing on Sunday if he’s not back tomorrow.
School holidays. Chance for Emi's family to spend some time with the grandchildren. Plus, it's summer down there, who wouldn't want to stay.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 29, 2022, 03:13:15 PM
Due back in training tomorrow apparently.
Family still in Argentina so can’t see it myself. Surely not playing on Sunday if he’s not back tomorrow.
School holidays. Chance for Emi's family to spend some time with the grandchildren. Plus, it's summer down there, who wouldn't want to stay.
Someone who was meant to be back at their place of work maybe?
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 29, 2022, 03:18:35 PM
Post by: Risso on December 29, 2022, 05:40:46 PM
Post by: Bad English on December 29, 2022, 05:44:25 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 29, 2022, 06:47:49 PM
The papers were saying he was due back today. Any sign of him being back?
Got an infection in his new tattoo. Out for 4 weeks, I heard.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 29, 2022, 07:01:35 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 29, 2022, 07:32:21 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 29, 2022, 07:39:24 PM
Please.
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 29, 2022, 08:01:30 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 29, 2022, 08:19:09 PM
I'd rather GregNash in goal over Olsen
**facepalm**
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 29, 2022, 08:22:05 PM
Post by: The Man With A Stick on December 30, 2022, 11:09:26 AM
Post by: Exeter 77 on December 30, 2022, 11:20:04 AM
He's back at Bodymoor, just posted on the official Twitter account.https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1608778537774759936?t=HLvyAMa-5SAUfPtXbuCeZg&s=19
Post by: darren woolley on December 30, 2022, 11:27:00 AM
Post by: OCD on December 30, 2022, 12:42:09 PM
Post by: Bad English on December 30, 2022, 02:36:00 PM
Post by: Risso on December 30, 2022, 02:52:01 PM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on December 30, 2022, 03:59:17 PM
Post by: DB on December 30, 2022, 04:27:43 PM
Post by: Villa Lew on December 30, 2022, 04:50:44 PM
He's back at Bodymoor, just posted on the official Twitter account.https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1608778537774759936?t=HLvyAMa-5SAUfPtXbuCeZg&s=19
Where's his Golden Glove?
Post by: bob on December 30, 2022, 05:10:02 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 30, 2022, 05:17:30 PM
Quote
Unai Emery has encouraged Emiliano Martinez to readjust back to life at Aston Villa quickly after he helped Argentina win the World Cup.
The goalkeeper is now back at Aston Villa after he played brilliantly in Qatar as Argentina won the World Cup for the third time.
He is due to be available for Villa’s New Year’s Day game at Tottenham after missing their 3-1 Boxing Day loss to Liverpool.
But after his heroics in Doha – and controversial celebrations – Emery wants the 30-year-old to be ready emotionally.
“He is going to be available physically and his mentality we are going to check,” he said.
“Hopefully he is coming 100 per cent focused on Aston Villa. Of course he needs to adapt quickly again in our work.
“When Emiliano is coming back (he has) to adapt again in a new way with us.
“Congratulations to him and now we are here thinking of our step ahead with Aston Villa.
“For us we are proud of him. Every Aston Villa supporter must be proud of him. We have in our team and our squad a winner of a World Cup, which he deserves.
“He is pushing his team-mates on the training ground every day.
“When he is coming back we have to try to introduce him again into our everyday and to be positive to use his energy and trying to use his mentality to help us.”
Post by: Pete3206 on December 30, 2022, 05:31:04 PM
Post by: bob on December 30, 2022, 05:43:53 PM
I don't see much wrong there
Well it takes some reading between the lines.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 30, 2022, 05:48:11 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 30, 2022, 07:48:59 PM
I hope his head is in the right place for Spurs.
Post by: olaftab on December 30, 2022, 07:56:10 PM
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on December 30, 2022, 08:46:51 PM
I am almost certainly imagining things but on the gallery on the OS of today's training, he looks both fucking knackered and unhappy.
I hope his head is in the right place for Spurs.
It’s hard enough smiling after one night on the shandys when you hit 30, let alone a two week bender.
He’ll cheer up when he keeps a clean sheet against Spuds.
Post by: Bad English on December 30, 2022, 08:50:50 PM
Get your fucking head down and earn your money!
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 30, 2022, 08:56:00 PM
I'm sick to fucking death of the Emiliano Martinez show. Has there ever been such a fuss over a world-cup winner?
Get your fucking head down and earn your money!
What makes you think for a second that he won’t get his head down and earn his money. And for what it’s worth it’s 24 hour sports media, social media and obsessed fans making more of a deal of this than he is. If this was 1986 and he was in that Argentina team most of the celebrations including anything specific to him would go unnoticed. He’s done nothing wrong other than achieve a major career milestone and have a lot of fun with it. I don’t see the issue. And of this was a summer WC none of us would be rushing him back because he would naturally have the time off. Having games literally after the tournament ended is stupid.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on December 30, 2022, 09:04:13 PM
Post by: maidstonevillain on December 30, 2022, 09:08:45 PM
Assume the the French perspective must be a bit different.
I wonder why.
Post by: john e on December 30, 2022, 09:08:48 PM
So that’s three points dropped how many more ?
Carry on like this it could cost us are Champions League spot
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 30, 2022, 09:09:49 PM
I am almost certainly imagining things but on the gallery on the OS of today's training, he looks both fucking knackered and unhappy.
I hope his head is in the right place for Spurs.
(https://i.ibb.co/6wC5Cmz/A1-F35061-D116-4537-BE26-F18-D2-BB0-B8-B3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6wC5Cmz)
I think he will be fine
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 30, 2022, 09:11:29 PM
Woooooosh (I assume) 😊
I hope I have swung and missed but there are fans on here and elsewhere who think he should have been back for Boxing Day.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on December 30, 2022, 09:24:29 PM
Woooooosh (I assume) 😊
I hope I have swung and missed but there are fans on here and elsewhere who think he should have been back for Boxing Day.
To be honest I was gutted about seeing Shakin’ Stevens in goal again.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 30, 2022, 09:25:14 PM
I am almost certainly imagining things but on the gallery on the OS of today's training, he looks both fucking knackered and unhappy.
I hope his head is in the right place for Spurs.
Yes that’s what I thought - and those were the best photos they could find! I said previously win or lose the World Cup final I think it’s going to be very hard for players to adjust back to the grind of normal games, but I think it especially applies to Emi. He’s playing in a side that are mid table (obviously hopefully we’ll be on the up) but it’s got to feel a bit empty.
Hopefully he’ll adjust quickly and get back to his awesome best.
Post by: Bad English on December 30, 2022, 09:45:30 PM
Well our manager is having to comment on whether he is in the right mental frame of mind to play football for his club on Sunday for a start.I'm sick to fucking death of the Emiliano Martinez show. Has there ever been such a fuss over a world-cup winner?
Get your fucking head down and earn your money!
What makes you think for a second that he won’t get his head down and earn his money. And for what it’s worth it’s 24 hour sports media, social media and obsessed fans making more of a deal of this than he is. If this was 1986 and he was in that Argentina team most of the celebrations including anything specific to him would go unnoticed. He’s done nothing wrong other than achieve a major career milestone and have a lot of fun with it. I don’t see the issue. And of this was a summer WC none of us would be rushing him back because he would naturally have the time off. Having games literally after the tournament ended is stupid.
Why are you banging on about 1986? Irrelevant.
It is not a summer WC, however stupid it may be, games are being played and we have already played one game without him and lost. For the money he gets he should have been back to work for Villa.
I am not obsessed, I ignore most sports media and football-based social media and I still think he's taking the piss a bit.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 30, 2022, 09:45:59 PM
I'm sick to fucking death of the Emiliano Martinez show. Has there ever been such a fuss over a world-cup winner?
Get your fucking head down and earn your money!
I'd cut him some slack, he probably just got held up checking the weather forecast with Sol Pérez on Canal 26.
Post by: Bad English on December 30, 2022, 09:47:11 PM
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on December 30, 2022, 10:22:26 PM
Post by: eamonn on December 30, 2022, 10:27:52 PM
Speaking of pricks…Salt Bae. What a fucking penisI don't blame him, these dickheads spend £700 on a steak at his restaurant and upload pictures of him sprinkling shit onto it and then upload the receipt onto 'the gram'. Hes a fucking genius as far as im concerned and he's lapping it up while he can.
Yeah but he ain't even hot. He's no bae.
Post by: Bad English on December 30, 2022, 11:00:38 PM
I bet he’s gutted that a guy in France wouldn’t give him much slack for missing one domestic game after his country beat France in the word cup final.Ah bless! Is Harry's penalty still causing indigestion?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 30, 2022, 11:07:27 PM
Speaking of pricks…Salt Bae. What a fucking penisI don't blame him, these dickheads spend £700 on a steak at his restaurant and upload pictures of him sprinkling shit onto it and then upload the receipt onto 'the gram'. Hes a fucking genius as far as im concerned and he's lapping it up while he can.
Yeah but he ain't even hot. He's no bae.
If ever there was a reason to become a vegetarian 😃
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on December 31, 2022, 07:36:15 AM
I bet he’s gutted that a guy in France wouldn’t give him much slack for missing one domestic game after his country beat France in the word cup final.Ah bless! Is Harry's penalty still causing indigestion?
That’d be good if I was remotely arsed about the England football team. It’s the mince pies causing my indigestion.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 31, 2022, 08:14:26 AM
Well our manager is having to comment on whether he is in the right mental frame of mind to play football for his club on Sunday for a start.I'm sick to fucking death of the Emiliano Martinez show. Has there ever been such a fuss over a world-cup winner?
Get your fucking head down and earn your money!
What makes you think for a second that he won’t get his head down and earn his money. And for what it’s worth it’s 24 hour sports media, social media and obsessed fans making more of a deal of this than he is. If this was 1986 and he was in that Argentina team most of the celebrations including anything specific to him would go unnoticed. He’s done nothing wrong other than achieve a major career milestone and have a lot of fun with it. I don’t see the issue. And of this was a summer WC none of us would be rushing him back because he would naturally have the time off. Having games literally after the tournament ended is stupid.
Why are you banging on about 1986? Irrelevant.
It is not a summer WC, however stupid it may be, games are being played and we have already played one game without him and lost. For the money he gets he should have been back to work for Villa.
I am not obsessed, I ignore most sports media and football-based social media and I still think he's taking the piss a bit.
I’m not sure he’s taking the piss - he missed a game, much like other WC players. He’s back in training and consequently can be selected if the manager decides to select him. The World Cup ended a less than 2 weeks ago it’s not like he’s disappeared for months. As for all the noise around him it’s a couple of over the top celebrations that are being obsessed over, hardly the end of the world.
Post by: Bad English on December 31, 2022, 09:56:04 AM
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Post by: john e on December 31, 2022, 04:02:17 PM
I don’t think he will, but I hope I’m wrong
Man with no arms will be in nets again I reckon
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 31, 2022, 05:21:11 PM
Just because he’s back doesn’t mean he will playUnless he is totally unfit, either physically or not in the right place mentally, i cannot see anyway Emery could allow this to happen, it would be culpable to allow a goalie as poor as Olsen to ever play for us in the premier league again, unless there was absolutely no other alternative.
I don’t think he will, but I hope I’m wrong
Man with no arms will be in nets again I reckon
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 31, 2022, 05:29:46 PM
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2022, 06:00:48 PM
I may as well stay in bed instead of travelling down to Spurs being picked up at 7am - this is all going to end badly me thinks. How could anyone think Olsen is good enough to start for us.
Have a nice lie in. What a misery arse.
Post by: olaftab on December 31, 2022, 06:07:12 PM
This is why France should have won. No worries about players missing games for VillaGood point. Count me in for having it all replayed lobby.
Post by: olaftab on December 31, 2022, 06:08:44 PM
I may as well stay in bed instead of travelling down to Spurs being picked up at 7am - this is all going to end badly me thinks. How could anyone think Olsen is good enough to start for us.How is he not good enough to start for us?
Post by: john e on December 31, 2022, 06:40:45 PM
I may as well stay in bed instead of travelling down to Spurs being picked up at 7am - this is all going to end badly me thinks. How could anyone think Olsen is good enough to start for us.How is he not good enough to start for us?
Because he’s a bit rubbish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 31, 2022, 06:45:19 PM
I may as well stay in bed instead of travelling down to Spurs being picked up at 7am - this is all going to end badly me thinks. How could anyone think Olsen is good enough to start for us.How is he not good enough to start for us?
Is this a joke? Or did you misread the Olsen comment?
Post by: bob on December 31, 2022, 07:00:03 PM
I may as well stay in bed instead of travelling down to Spurs being picked up at 7am - this is all going to end badly me thinks. How could anyone think Olsen is good enough to start for us.How is he not good enough to start for us?
Because he's absolutely wank, duh
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on December 31, 2022, 07:43:38 PM
Post by: gpbarr on December 31, 2022, 09:37:31 PM
I may as well stay in bed instead of travelling down to Spurs being picked up at 7am - this is all going to end badly me thinks. How could anyone think Olsen is good enough to start for us.How is he not good enough to start for us?
Because he's absolutely wank, duh
63 caps for Sweden suggests otherwise, to be fair
Post by: LukeJames on December 31, 2022, 09:41:27 PM
Post by: gpbarr on December 31, 2022, 09:54:51 PM
Swedens number 2 once played 24 games for Swansea, in between spells in Scandinavia, Turkey and Holland. There is literally nobody else.
Might be true, but to suggest a player capped 63 times by any country is 'wank' is ridiculous. Not suggesting he's great, or that I would want him in our goal, but we do as fans have a habit of writing players off based on a handful of appearances.
Post by: aj2k77 on December 31, 2022, 11:15:38 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 31, 2022, 11:20:30 PM
Swedens number 2 once played 24 games for Swansea, in between spells in Scandinavia, Turkey and Holland. There is literally nobody else.
Might be true, but to suggest a player capped 63 times by any country is 'wank' is ridiculous. Not suggesting he's great, or that I would want him in our goal, but we do as fans have a habit of writing players off based on a handful of appearances.
He's let in 3+ goals in each of his last 4 appearances for us.
He looks like a frightened rabbit in the headlights and scares the death out of the rest of the defence.
I don't care if he's got 1000 appearances for the Tuvalu national side, he's not good enough to play at this level.
Post by: dave shelley on December 31, 2022, 11:48:54 PM
Post by: frank black on January 01, 2023, 08:40:28 AM
Swedens number 2 once played 24 games for Swansea, in between spells in Scandinavia, Turkey and Holland. There is literally nobody else.
Might be true, but to suggest a player capped 63 times by any country is 'wank' is ridiculous. Not suggesting he's great, or that I would want him in our goal, but we do as fans have a habit of writing players off based on a handful of appearances.
I’m just regretting the fact he got to play a handful of games and conceded a fistful of goals.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 01, 2023, 08:54:08 AM
Edit: Olsen that is.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 01, 2023, 09:06:39 AM
Swedens number 2 once played 24 games for Swansea, in between spells in Scandinavia, Turkey and Holland. There is literally nobody else.
Might be true, but to suggest a player capped 63 times by any country is 'wank' is ridiculous. Not suggesting he's great, or that I would want him in our goal, but we do as fans have a habit of writing players off based on a handful of appearances.
I’m just regretting the fact he got to play a handful of games and conceded a fistful of goals.
Would have got a better keeper for a few dollars more.
Post by: Drummond on January 01, 2023, 10:48:09 AM
He’s playing according to twitter.
Edit: Olsen that is.
That's made my day.
Post by: Villan82 on January 01, 2023, 10:49:01 AM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 01, 2023, 10:52:57 AM
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 01, 2023, 10:55:26 AM
Post by: Mister E on January 01, 2023, 10:55:49 AM
Why is Martinez not available? I am sorry, but we pay his wages andFIFYin many wayskickstarted his career.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 01, 2023, 10:56:30 AM
I'd sooner we played a world class player that's still a bit pissed ahead of one that just plays like he is.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 01, 2023, 11:00:27 AM
He’s playing according to twitter.Was that the Daily Mail journo single tweet?
Edit: Olsen that is.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 01, 2023, 11:10:00 AM
He’s playing according to twitter.Was that the Daily Mail journo single tweet?
Edit: Olsen that is.
Tom Collander I think? Can’t find it now, sorry.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 01, 2023, 11:25:37 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 01, 2023, 12:11:23 PM
I’m just regretting the fact he got to play a handful of games and conceded a fistful of goals.
Would have got a better keeper for a few dollars more.
If Emi doesn't start today he might Sully his reputation.
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 01, 2023, 12:14:31 PM
I’ve got a raging hangover but if I can make it to Spurs today so can he.This, ive had about 3 hours sleep, he should play
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 01, 2023, 12:45:56 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 01, 2023, 01:01:26 PM
Post by: colin69 on January 01, 2023, 01:06:08 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 01, 2023, 01:10:48 PM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 01, 2023, 01:13:42 PM
Post by: LukeJames on January 01, 2023, 01:13:54 PM
I think it may now be fair to say that the relationship between Emery and Martinez is probably not an entirely comfortable one.Is his relationship with Cash and Dendoncker an uncomfortable one aswell?
Post by: TaxDodger on January 01, 2023, 01:14:17 PM
Post by: frank black on January 01, 2023, 01:20:03 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 01, 2023, 01:20:54 PM
I think it may now be fair to say that the relationship between Emery and Martinez is probably not an entirely comfortable one.Is his relationship with Cash and Dendoncker an uncomfortable one aswell?
Young and Doug starting over those two isn't much of a drop in quality in that position, it's an absolute chasm between Olsen and Emi. And not just in ability but also the confidence instilled in the defence.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 01, 2023, 01:22:13 PM
I think it may now be fair to say that the relationship between Emery and Martinez is probably not an entirely comfortable one.Is his relationship with Cash and Dendoncker an uncomfortable one aswell?
I don’t agree with it, but at least he’s being consistent. My guess is that non-world cup players are being preferred until the others are up to speed with his tactic and expectations.
Post by: Villan82 on January 01, 2023, 01:22:20 PM
Post by: Paul.S on January 01, 2023, 01:30:12 PM
I look at Emery's CV and I back him 100%. Either Martinez isn't fully 'right' or something else has occurred which justifies the decision.
Agreed. I’m happy we’ve got a coach who’s proven he knows what he’s doing.
Post by: LukeJames on January 01, 2023, 01:31:47 PM
I think it may now be fair to say that the relationship between Emery and Martinez is probably not an entirely comfortable one.Is his relationship with Cash and Dendoncker an uncomfortable one aswell?
Young and Doug starting over those two isn't much of a drop in quality in that position, it's an absolute chasm between Olsen and Emi. And not just in ability but also the confidence instilled in the defence.
Oh I agree 100% with that, I just don't see it as Emery having a problem with Martinez as the original point suggested. For whatever reason Emery has decided to not bring any of the World Cup players straight back in.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 01, 2023, 01:36:51 PM
I think it may now be fair to say that the relationship between Emery and Martinez is probably not an entirely comfortable one.Is his relationship with Cash and Dendoncker an uncomfortable one aswell?
Cash and Dendoncker are left out for players who have shown themselves worth a place in the team, and/or left out for legitimate tactical reasons, whereas Martinez has been left out for someone (Olsen) who over the course of a few games now has shown himself to be clearly not up to scratch, and a liability. Given all the circumstances, it's pretty clear that something isn't well here, or that something's not gone right that will need addressing.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 01, 2023, 01:53:12 PM
I think it may now be fair to say that the relationship between Emery and Martinez is probably not an entirely comfortable one.Is his relationship with Cash and Dendoncker an uncomfortable one aswell?
I don’t agree with it, but at least he’s being consistent. My guess is that non-world cup players are being preferred until the others are up to speed with his tactic and expectations.
That’s fair enough but the World Cup players, particularly Emi, are not going to suddenly get it in the 2/3 days training before the Wolves game. If he’s not in goal for that game then there’s probably going to be a meltdown.
Post by: Allan C on January 01, 2023, 03:10:31 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 01, 2023, 03:24:07 PM
For me, if that's what happened, I can understand the value of being clear ahead of time with his expectations.
I think it's much more likely than some of the wild conspiracy nonsense that's been floating around on twitter and facebook.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 01, 2023, 03:25:20 PM
Post by: gpbarr on January 01, 2023, 03:57:06 PM
Post by: Villan82 on January 01, 2023, 04:00:52 PM
Olsen did very well today. Some of the shit on here was way over the top as usual
It's not often I am right, very rarely in fact. Glad to be right against them lot today!
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 01, 2023, 05:53:59 PM
Olsen was good today and caught pretty much everything that came into the box, the only keeper to make a mistake today was the one that had just come back from a World Cup final.
Yeah, it's no wonder France lost. ;)
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 01, 2023, 07:25:59 PM
Emery is trying to set standards at the club, he's no fool he'll know who his best keeper is but he's shown confidence in Olsen when many of us (myself included) perhaps feel Olsen isn't good enough.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 01, 2023, 10:57:55 PM
It wasn't appropriate for him to enter today.
Martinez is better equipped to enter a game at home with supporters behind him while Olsen was given more confidence.
Less likely to be taunted by fans and have the overwhelming majority back him
I just hope he keeps his standards high and stays focused.
After winning the world cup, returning to any game is a huge ask—possibly even bigger than returning after losing in this circumstances due to our standing in league.
I like to think that Emi will continue to play professional manner until the end of the season with perhaps a bit more humility.
Looking forward to see how he gets on.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 01, 2023, 10:59:07 PM
As good as Martinez is you can't spend the last two weeks partying in Argentina and then rock up and play in the premier league. How many times has he trained this week? I would imagine going from England to Qatar to Argentina to Qatar his body clock alone is all over the place. Seeing his own Instagram account he's very much enjoyed his time back home and there are hardly lots of pictures of him training, in the gym etc.
Emery is trying to set standards at the club, he's no fool he'll know who his best keeper is but he's shown confidence in Olsen when many of us (myself included) perhaps feel Olsen isn't good enough.
It's a masterpiece by Emery because it demonstrates that Martinez isn't as untouchable as he thinks he is given all his antics, gives Olsen some assurance as well as all of us on the backup keeper, and gives Emi the will to return and demonstrate his character, which has already been established, but this is on another level because it's unprecedented circumstances.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 01, 2023, 11:04:10 PM
Martinez has done nothing wrong. The manager has given him time off and you’re making out like he’s out there teaching him a lesson. He’s not. He’s our number one keeper and Olsen is the back up. It’s that simple. Stop making it into something that it just isn’t.
Post by: Rory on January 01, 2023, 11:10:45 PM
Honestly what a load of bollocks.
Martinez has done nothing wrong. The manager has given him time off and you’re making out like he’s out there teaching him a lesson. He’s not. He’s our number one keeper and Olsen is the back up. It’s that simple. Stop making it into something that it just isn’t.
I agree, but Footy does make a valid point about maybe shielding Emi from fan reaction. He's been all over global news for weeks for his shithousery, so maybe letting him keep his head down for a little extra time while the nonsense dies down is a good idea.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 01, 2023, 11:10:52 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 01, 2023, 11:14:42 PM
Honestly what a load of bollocks.
Martinez has done nothing wrong. The manager has given him time off and you’re making out like he’s out there teaching him a lesson. He’s not. He’s our number one keeper and Olsen is the back up. It’s that simple. Stop making it into something that it just isn’t.
I agree, but Footy does make a valid point about maybe shielding Emi from fan reaction. He's been all over global news for weeks for his shithousery, so maybe letting him keep his head down for a little extra time while the nonsense dies down is a good idea.
The manager said this was always the plan. He only got back this week. As much as we would like to him to back in goal much of our desperation was down to to how poorly Olsen has been. So the fact that Olsen didn’t concede 3 or more goals was a massive relief, and yes he played well. But it doesn’t take away from Emi simply being rested vs anything more conspiratorial. Same with Cash to a similar degree, although Ash’s displays make that less an issue
Post by: paul_e on January 01, 2023, 11:47:15 PM
Honestly what a load of bollocks.
Martinez has done nothing wrong. The manager has given him time off and you’re making out like he’s out there teaching him a lesson. He’s not. He’s our number one keeper and Olsen is the back up. It’s that simple. Stop making it into something that it just isn’t.
There's even a quote (already shared on this thread I believe) outrught stating that emi is our number 1.
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2023, 12:16:57 AM
Honestly what a load of bollocks.
Martinez has done nothing wrong. The manager has given him time off and you’re making out like he’s out there teaching him a lesson. He’s not. He’s our number one keeper and Olsen is the back up. It’s that simple. Stop making it into something that it just isn’t.
I agree, but Footy does make a valid point about maybe shielding Emi from fan reaction. He's been all over global news for weeks for his shithousery, so maybe letting him keep his head down for a little extra time while the nonsense dies down is a good idea.
The very last player on the face of planet earth who needs sheltering from fan reaction is Emi Martinez.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 02, 2023, 12:26:39 AM
Honestly what a load of bollocks.
Martinez has done nothing wrong. The manager has given him time off and you’re making out like he’s out there teaching him a lesson. He’s not. He’s our number one keeper and Olsen is the back up. It’s that simple. Stop making it into something that it just isn’t.
I agree, but Footy does make a valid point about maybe shielding Emi from fan reaction. He's been all over global news for weeks for his shithousery, so maybe letting him keep his head down for a little extra time while the nonsense dies down is a good idea.
The very last player on the face of planet earth who needs sheltering from fan reaction is Emi Martinez.
Haha no kidding. That’s precisely what gives him energy. He loves us and couldn’t give a flying fuck about anything any other fan might or will say.
Post by: Rory on January 02, 2023, 01:00:39 AM
Honestly what a load of bollocks.
Martinez has done nothing wrong. The manager has given him time off and you’re making out like he’s out there teaching him a lesson. He’s not. He’s our number one keeper and Olsen is the back up. It’s that simple. Stop making it into something that it just isn’t.
I agree, but Footy does make a valid point about maybe shielding Emi from fan reaction. He's been all over global news for weeks for his shithousery, so maybe letting him keep his head down for a little extra time while the nonsense dies down is a good idea.
The very last player on the face of planet earth who needs sheltering from fan reaction is Emi Martinez.
Haha no kidding. That’s precisely what gives him energy. He loves us and couldn’t give a flying fuck about anything any other fan might or will say.
I dunno. He'll go too far one day. I can just imagine him doing a 'Braveheart' and getting arrested for indecent exposure.
Post by: Axl Rose on January 02, 2023, 01:19:38 AM
Honestly what a load of bollocks.
Martinez has done nothing wrong. The manager has given him time off and you’re making out like he’s out there teaching him a lesson. He’s not. He’s our number one keeper and Olsen is the back up. It’s that simple. Stop making it into something that it just isn’t.
I agree, but Footy does make a valid point about maybe shielding Emi from fan reaction. He's been all over global news for weeks for his shithousery, so maybe letting him keep his head down for a little extra time while the nonsense dies down is a good idea.
The very last player on the face of planet earth who needs sheltering from fan reaction is Emi Martinez.
Haha no kidding. That’s precisely what gives him energy. He loves us and couldn’t give a flying fuck about anything any other fan might or will say.
Agree with TV and Risso.
Post by: Rory on January 02, 2023, 01:22:03 AM
Thinking about it, I'd actually love him to do that as long as it was directed at Booby Charlton or Trevor Brooking. Someone the establishment would be thoroughly outraged by.
Post by: Axl Rose on January 02, 2023, 02:06:11 AM
What, in spite of my Braveheart exposed cock, balls & arse scenario?
Thinking about it, I'd actually love him to do that as long as it was directed at Booby Charlton or Trevor Brooking. Someone the establishment would be thoroughly outraged by.
Haha. I'm all for any player showing their cock to the establishment.
Post by: Rory on January 02, 2023, 02:16:10 AM
What, in spite of my Braveheart exposed cock, balls & arse scenario?
Thinking about it, I'd actually love him to do that as long as it was directed at Booby Charlton or Trevor Brooking. Someone the establishment would be thoroughly outraged by.
Haha. I'm all for any player showing their cock to the establishment.
Not Ronaldo. I could do without that. He looks like a heavily throttled penis as it is.
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 02, 2023, 10:28:52 AM
Post by: Mister E on January 02, 2023, 12:59:57 PM
I may be wrong about this, but I'm sure I read somewhere that Cash and Martinez have not been used since the WC because they had not been around when Emery was instilling his footballing philosophy and culture with the rest of the squad: if so, that says it all about the guy - it's not about one's individual capabilities; it's as much about the team and the approach.Honestly what a load of bollocks.I agree, but Footy does make a valid point about maybe shielding Emi from fan reaction. He's been all over global news for weeks for his shithousery, so maybe letting him keep his head down for a little extra time while the nonsense dies down is a good idea.
Martinez has done nothing wrong. The manager has given him time off and you’re making out like he’s out there teaching him a lesson. He’s not. He’s our number one keeper and Olsen is the back up. It’s that simple. Stop making it into something that it just isn’t.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 03, 2023, 02:28:42 PM
Unai Emery: “I think he (Martínez) is going to be ready after his rest & after the emotion he had winning the World Cup. He is very important for us & we can be proud of him because he’s a World Cup winner & now his focus is 100% with us at Aston Villa..”
Post by: Somniloquism on January 03, 2023, 04:41:17 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 03, 2023, 04:52:09 PM
Once again superb choice of words Rory.What, in spite of my Braveheart exposed cock, balls & arse scenario?
Thinking about it, I'd actually love him to do that as long as it was directed at Booby Charlton or Trevor Brooking. Someone the establishment would be thoroughly outraged by.
Haha. I'm all for any player showing their cock to the establishment.
Not Ronaldo. I could do without that. He looks like a heavily throttled penis as it is.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 03, 2023, 04:59:29 PM
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 12, 2023, 07:16:38 PM
Indeed. They spent a couple of weeks floating articles saying that Emery wanted shot of him.
That is largely what the journo was on about, how he talks to Martinez about the line between being a good player and a good person. I am surprised Tommy Jordan didn't tell him to do one. Well, I'm not as, like, freedom of press yadayada but he was clearly digging.
Post by: Smirker on January 13, 2023, 08:55:35 PM
Wouldn't swap him for any goalkeeper right now.
He absolutely needs an original chant.
Post your Argentine music hits, Independiente chants and anything else. I will make him one.
EMI THE KING 8)
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 13, 2023, 09:01:37 PM
What a captain !
Post by: Smirker on January 13, 2023, 10:15:35 PM
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Post by: Beard82 on January 13, 2023, 10:42:27 PM
Today is exactly why the idea of selling him and bringing in someone like Pickford (and using the difference in fees to improve the squad) is such a poor idea. A genuinely great goalkeeper wins you matches when things aren't quite working for you.Exactly - being world class is more than just good at what you do - it’s doing it when it matters most
Post by: Villan For Life on January 13, 2023, 10:43:53 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 13, 2023, 10:48:37 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2023, 10:49:35 PM
Apart from his obvious goalkeeping quality, he adds swagger, arrogance and self belief.
I fucking love him.
Post by: trinityoap on January 13, 2023, 10:54:42 PM
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Post by: Footy-Vill on January 13, 2023, 11:16:04 PM
Post by: Risso on January 13, 2023, 11:17:42 PM
I said this guy would be adored by us all and so he is.
You've been more critical of him than any other Villa fan I know. Or at least, one of the posters on the Footy Vill account has.
Post by: nigel on January 14, 2023, 10:05:09 AM
He is fucking great.
Apart from his obvious goalkeeping quality, he adds swagger, arrogance and self belief.
I fucking love him.
This
This
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Post by: nigel on January 14, 2023, 10:09:59 AM
If only Unai had chosen Emi for the fa cup game…
It would have been interesting to see inside the penalty takers head with Emi in front of him
Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2023, 10:10:21 AM
I said this guy would be adored by us all and so he is.
You've been more critical of him than any other Villa fan I know. Or at least, one of the posters on the Footy Vill account has.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 14, 2023, 01:29:04 PM
I've given a balance assessment actuallyI said this guy would be adored by us all and so he is.
You've been more critical of him than any other Villa fan I know. Or at least, one of the posters on the Footy Vill account has.
But some just like to change the narrative.
I've stated I didn't like his antics and I'm weary of him losing humility
I was the first to say he should be made captain this summer.
I said he would win the World Cup and when we signed him I told everyone he would be a cult hero.
So you two be quiet! And lets all just get on shall we! Don't know why I get hounded on things people disagree with yet not acknowledged for foresight. Anyway. He's adored by us all just don't want those silly yellow cards.
Arsenal fans are gutted but have been very gracious in wishing him and us well.
6ft 5 too. *punches the like button”
This guy has real integrity and honesty about him
Real love for the arsenal fans and really respects his profession I think he's wonderful and has real passion for football. I feel his emotions.
Has done a superb exit interview to the arsenal fans as well as mentioning how hard he worked to get where he is .
I can't wait for the first interview for Villa I promise you he'll touch everyone hearts.
He's going to be a cult hero and take to out hearts .
He loves the arsenal fans and they love him and ⅖3who he said came as a boy from Argentina and left a man .
Trust me he's going to be adored by all of us.
Post by: Ger Regan on January 14, 2023, 01:33:46 PM
Best keeper we’ve had since BozzieI'd put him ahead of bozzie, personally, just needs to have a cup to his name with us and I'd say that for certain. Rimmer was before my time so not sure where he'd stand in the all time list
Post by: OCD on January 14, 2023, 01:34:14 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on January 14, 2023, 01:36:33 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 14, 2023, 01:37:30 PM
Cult hero how about you focus how accurate that was eh!
If you backpedal any faster you’ll wake up in the 80’s.
Post by: Risso on January 14, 2023, 01:40:51 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 14, 2023, 01:42:15 PM
Cult hero how about you focus how accurate that was eh!
If you backpedal any faster you’ll wake up in the 80’s.
Avoid the truth all you like. But its clear that I'm able to give a balanced assessment pros and cons of our players and what ties in with my values Up the Villa.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 14, 2023, 01:44:31 PM
Brad Friedel?Best keeper we’ve had since BozzieI'd put him ahead of bozzie, personally, just needs to have a cup to his name with us and I'd say that for certain. Rimmer was before my time so not sure where he'd stand in the all time list
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 14, 2023, 01:47:50 PM
Best keeper we’ve had since BozzieI'd put him ahead of bozzie, personally, just needs to have a cup to his name with us and I'd say that for certain. Rimmer was before my time so not sure where he'd stand in the all time list
I'd still put Rimmer before them both but it's a different game now.
Post by: clash city rocker on January 14, 2023, 01:52:29 PM
Best keeper we’ve had since BozzieI'd put him ahead of bozzie, personally, just needs to have a cup to his name with us and I'd say that for certain. Rimmer was before my time so not sure where he'd stand in the all time list
I'd still put Rimmer before them both but it's a different game now.
Met Jimmy a few years ago in a cafe in the mumbles.. lovely bloke and one of my all time legends.
Post by: Chris Smith on January 14, 2023, 02:07:39 PM
I think Bosnich is still slightly ahead to be honest, as good as Emi is. Bosnich did it over a lot longer period, and some of his displays such as away at Sunderland in the League Cup were the best I’ve ever seen. I think Bossie was a better shot stopper than Emi overall. Some of his saves were bordering on the miraculous.
You’re right Bosnich was a great shot stopper but Emi has the better all round game I reckon. He dominates his area and intimidates opponents in a way I haven’t see before.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 14, 2023, 02:08:08 PM
It might be sacrilegious for some but he’s the best keeper we have ever had. In terms of ability he has absolutely everything. And his attitude is superb and loves being here. You could see that at the end of the game as he gathered players and embraced them. He’s a proper leader too. Oh and by the way he’s won Copa America and the World Cup. I heard those are decent trophies to pick up.
I agree with you. There might have been better at reflex saves, distribution, awareness etc but none spring to mind readily. In any case, no keeper in our history has Martinez’s presence or influence on games or the team as a whole. He does the things in a game at the right time that show control.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 14, 2023, 02:20:14 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 14, 2023, 02:24:41 PM
Bossie made saves that nobody else could make. He was so athletic but he wasn't as dominant on crosses etc.
Martinez seems to have it all. He's rapidly becoming my favourite player.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 14, 2023, 02:59:48 PM
Post by: nigel on January 14, 2023, 03:46:25 PM
I think Bosnich is still slightly ahead to be honest, as good as Emi is. Bosnich did it over a lot longer period, and some of his displays such as away at Sunderland in the League Cup were the best I’ve ever seen. I think Bossie was a better shot stopper than Emi overall. Some of his saves were bordering on the miraculous.
It’s all about opinions, but I’ve never got all the hype over Bosnich.
Yes, he was certainly good, and made some unbelievable saves, but, imo, Rimmer and Spink were better, and so is Martinez
For me Bosnich was a better version of Burridge. A flamboyant crowd pleaser.
Post by: eamonn on January 14, 2023, 04:03:48 PM
His save at 1-0 was absolutely world class.
It was great instincts/reflex but the shot went towards him instead of nearer the post so I'd have been disappointed if he hadn't got it.
Post by: eamonn on January 14, 2023, 04:04:28 PM
You also said Olsen would become first choice.
And he was. For Wulfs/Spudz/Stevenage. Footy won the argument, remember?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 14, 2023, 04:13:08 PM
His save at 1-0 was absolutely world class.
It was great instincts/reflex but the shot went towards him instead of nearer the post so I'd have been disappointed if he hadn't got it.
Tough crowd.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 14, 2023, 04:30:44 PM
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Post by: Risso on January 14, 2023, 05:34:22 PM
Bosnich's kicking was absolutely awful too. I loved him though. He once laughed at me falling over during a friendly against Torpoint Athletic. True story.
The back pass rule came in during his career though, so not like he’d grown up practicing it.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on January 14, 2023, 05:37:45 PM
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on January 14, 2023, 05:42:35 PM
Bosnich's kicking was absolutely awful too. I loved him though. He once laughed at me falling over during a friendly against Torpoint Athletic. True story.
The back pass rule came in during his career though, so not like he’d grown up practicing it.
To be fair his kicking out of his hands wasn’t much better, still the best in my lifetime though.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 14, 2023, 05:43:08 PM
Post by: Dave on January 14, 2023, 05:49:15 PM
Most of Bosnich's reputation was built on penalty saves I think, especially during that cup run in 94, but that save against Coventry a few years later is still one of the best I've ever seen.
There was that Spurs (?) away (?) game in '94 (?) when he saved two in one match.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 14, 2023, 05:57:06 PM
Post by: Clive W on January 14, 2023, 06:08:02 PM
Yep, it made him the first PL keeper to save 2 penalties in one game. There's been a few more since then that have done, two of them against us.
And let’s not forget that impeccably timed challenge against Klinsmann at VP
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 14, 2023, 06:18:11 PM
Best keeper we’ve had since BozzieI'd put him ahead of bozzie, personally, just needs to have a cup to his name with us and I'd say that for certain. Rimmer was before my time so not sure where he'd stand in the all time list
I'd still put Rimmer before them both but it's a different game now.
Martinez is up there now with Rimmer. Jimmy played with a better defence so never really was as exposed. Martinez is the real deal but needs to cut out some of his cockiness, its clear what will happen soon. (IMO Bozzie nowhere close to either of them)
Post by: bob on January 14, 2023, 07:27:40 PM
His save at 1-0 was absolutely world class.
It was great instincts/reflex but the shot went towards him instead of nearer the post so I'd have been disappointed if he hadn't got it.
Indeed, good instincts to move to the far post, something that was way beyond Olsen, but gawd you'd hope any decent keeper would be alive enough to get over for it.
Pickford would have saved it, too.
Post by: Beard82 on January 14, 2023, 07:33:15 PM
Its like Joe - to be the best - you have to give us the best years of your career.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 14, 2023, 07:37:15 PM
His save at 1-0 was absolutely world class.
It was great instincts/reflex but the shot went towards him instead of nearer the post so I'd have been disappointed if he hadn't got it.
Indeed, good instincts to move to the far post, something that was way beyond Olsen, but gawd you'd hope any decent keeper would be alive enough to get over for it.
Pickford would have saved it, too.
Yeh because reacting that quickly at point blank range is a piece of piss.
Post by: Dave on January 14, 2023, 07:38:27 PM
Its like Joe - to be the best - you have to give us the best years of your career.
It's hard to see what else he might do that mean that the last three years turn out to not be the best years of his career.
Post by: Grande Pablo on January 14, 2023, 08:47:49 PM
Yep, it made him the first PL keeper to save 2 penalties in one game. There's been a few more since then that have done, two of them against us.
And let’s not forget that impeccably timed challenge against Klinsmann at VP
Lucky for Bozzie that was the same night Cantona decided to go mental at Selhurst Park - kind of slipped under the FAs radar consequently.
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 14, 2023, 08:50:42 PM
was a great tackle. Jurgen dived 8) 8)Yep, it made him the first PL keeper to save 2 penalties in one game. There's been a few more since then that have done, two of them against us.
And let’s not forget that impeccably timed challenge against Klinsmann at VP
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 14, 2023, 11:22:45 PM
Its like Joe - to be the best - you have to give us the best years of your career.
It's hard to see what else he might do that mean that the last three years turn out to not be the best years of his career.
Indeed - his rise, ultimately resulting in playing an integral role in winning the World Cup (and the Copa America) with a global and national icon isn’t going to be topped. But hopefully winning the league and Champions league with us will be close!
Post by: JD on January 15, 2023, 04:43:46 AM
Best keeper we’ve had since BozzieI'd put him ahead of bozzie, personally, just needs to have a cup to his name with us and I'd say that for certain. Rimmer was before my time so not sure where he'd stand in the all time list
I'd still put Rimmer before them both but it's a different game now.
Martinez is up there now with Rimmer. Jimmy played with a better defence so never really was as exposed. Martinez is the real deal but needs to cut out some of his cockiness, its clear what will happen soon. (IMO Bozzie nowhere close to either of them)
That's how I would gauge him. Currently second to Junmy Rimmer as the best keeper since I've been following Villa.
Post by: LeonW on January 15, 2023, 05:06:02 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on January 15, 2023, 07:08:27 AM
Love both.
Post by: Mister E on January 15, 2023, 08:25:12 AM
Martinez is up there now with Rimmer. Jimmy played with a better defence so never really was as exposed. Martinez is the real deal but needs to cut out some of his cockiness, its clear what will happen soon. (IMO Bozzie nowhere close to either of them)This is where I am.
Post by: Lescottstweets on January 15, 2023, 09:16:10 AM
Post by: algy on January 15, 2023, 09:47:42 AM
But Martinez is the best I've seen by a margin. The guy oozes confidence.
Post by: Mellin on January 15, 2023, 10:37:55 AM
Bozzie still out in front for me on nostalgia. I'm 35 so too young for Spink and definitely too young for Rimmer.
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 15, 2023, 10:41:38 AM
Yeah, we've been fortunate, aside from that 10 year barren period when the majority were crap. Even during the previous shit show (SGT II and Dolly) Tommy Sorensen was mainly between the sticks and pretty decent.
Bozzie still out in front for me on nostalgia. I'm 35 so too young for Spink and definitely too young for Rimmer.
No Way was Bozzie up there with Martinez. The only keeper to have an argument over would be Rimmer.
Post by: Mellin on January 15, 2023, 10:46:12 AM
Martinez running him as close as he can though. There was a great piece on Pravda where Bozzie interviewed Emi a few months back. Worth watching for those who haven't seen it.
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 15, 2023, 10:49:48 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 15, 2023, 11:03:42 AM
Bosnich’s private video collection is also more interesting
Only the public ones.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 16, 2023, 09:54:35 AM
Emiliano Martinez (Aston Villa)
"The save by Martinez from Jack Harrison at point-blank range was stunning. The World Cup winner with Argentina must be on an amazing high and full of confidence since his enormous success in Qatar. Martinez has been in sparkling form since his return to Aston Villa and was crucial in his side's 2-1 win over Leeds United.
The 30-year-old doesn't seem to have been affected by the criticism that has been levelled at him since his Qatar antics, which included throwing the ball away and attempting to unnerve Aurelien Tchouameni during that epic penalty shootout in the final. Martinez was also pictured holding a toy baby with a mask of Kylian Mbappe during his country's celebrations in Buenos Aires. Boys will be boys"
Unfortunately, the reputation and some of Emi behaviour has tarnished his good work as an actual goal keeper
Post by: Dave on January 16, 2023, 10:03:45 AM
Unfortunately, the reputation and some of Emi behaviour has tarnished his good work as an actual goal keeper
No it hasn't.
Post by: eamonn on January 16, 2023, 10:10:37 AM
"Martinez has been in sparkling form since his return to Aston Villa" line is luvvy-speak too, considering this was only his second game since returning.
Post by: brian green on January 16, 2023, 10:14:36 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 16, 2023, 10:30:14 AM
Well Crooks review of Emi Martinez didn't stop at crucial in the 2-1 victoryUnfortunately, the reputation and some of Emi behaviour has tarnished his good work as an actual goal keeper
No it hasn't.
He explicitly mentioned garish detail about him and the criticism which was levelled at Emi. Something that isn't forgotten.
Also Emi was booked for time wasting and I think he may be a marked man by officials and the media now. If that's not reputation I don't know what is.
And he's definitely influenced the likes of Nick Pope and Arom Ramsgate in the antics they were displaying this weekend.
Just have to accept its part of the way he plays the game. He's a Great, world class goalkeeper.
Post by: Dave on January 16, 2023, 10:35:38 AM
Well Crooks review of Emi Martinez didn't stop at crucial in the 2-1 victoryUnfortunately, the reputation and some of Emi behaviour has tarnished his good work as an actual goal keeper
No it hasn't.
He explicitly mentioned garish detail about him and the criticism which was levelled at Emi. Something that isn't forgotten.
Also Emi was booked for time wasting and I think he may be a marked man by officials and the media now.
But Garth Crooks is thicker than a bowl of day-old porridge. There's nothing he could say about any subject that anyone should pay any attention to.
Post by: TaxDodger on January 16, 2023, 10:35:48 AM
Like any keeper he'll get booked when he takes the piss with timewasting. As long as this doesn't result in him being suspended at any point then I'm all for as much piss taking and shit housery as possible.
Post by: Nev on January 16, 2023, 10:39:28 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 16, 2023, 10:53:27 AM
Top shit housery. Also as mentioned before, Newcastle are also doing it a lot season - certainly the time wasting element of it.
It doesn’t tarnish Martinez’s goalkeeping reputation in any way whatsoever.
If Garth Crooks’s brains were dynamite he couldn’t blow the wax out of his ears.
Post by: Risso on January 16, 2023, 10:53:30 AM
And he's definitely influenced the likes of Nick Pope and Arom Ramsgate in the antics they were displaying this weekend.
Just have to accept its part of the way he plays the game. He's a Great, world class goalkeeper.
Pope is miles more experienced in the Premier League than Emi, and played for one of the biggest bunch of cheats and cloggers in Burnley. Newcastle do just as much 'game management' as us, so I really don't think Pope needs any encouragement from Emi. Lastly, amending your post to say "Great, world class goalkeeper" isn't fooling anybody. You've got a bizarre aversion to Martinez.
Post by: KevinGage on January 16, 2023, 11:03:57 AM
Emi illustrates both.
It's also a long-established part of Argentinian sporting culture to not just indulge in the dark arts but celebrate them. It's not viewed with the same disdain as here.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 16, 2023, 11:19:36 AM
The better goalkeepers tend to be a bit tapped. And the better/ more competitive players often play on the edge.
Emi illustrates both.
It's also a long-established part of Argentinian sporting culture to not just indulge in the dark arts but celebrate them. It's not viewed with the same disdain as here.
That's correct and it's the very reason why Maradonna's hand of God goal is celebrated like it is.
Post by: Drummond on January 16, 2023, 11:34:27 AM
Post by: KevinGage on January 16, 2023, 11:41:27 AM
Maradona, Simeone (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2002/may/19/worldcupfootball2002.football2) and now Martinez are some of the more obvious exponents. But there have been plenty of others.
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As Bertoni, in all candour says, 'in my opinion the English players are too honest'. Argentine players, on the other hand, are guided by the spirit of Machiavelli.
Diego Simeone's ludicrous reaction to the tap he received on the leg from Beckham in 1998 offered a perfect case in point. 'Our way of playing is inspired by the Italian model,' Perfumo told me. 'English players are more naive. Our game is more calculating. We study a rival more closely, we look for ways to destroy him. One of our approaches, for example, is to study a player's weak points so we can try and make him angry. Because in football if you get angry, you lose.'
Ricardo Villa makes the same point. 'In Argentina you go to the pitch with a masterplan in your mind. It is a destructive one instead of a creative one. It is better to destroy than to create. I played in England for five years and I never had anybody giving me advice on how to destroy a player.'
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 16, 2023, 11:49:52 AM
As for Ramsdale, he was being a right twat at the end, Richarlison was quite within he rights to come over and tell him to fuck off up the other end and stop goading the fans. The fan that kicked him should be banned for life though as there's no excuse for that.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 16, 2023, 11:54:35 AM
And he's definitely influenced the likes of Nick Pope and Arom Ramsgate in the antics they were displaying this weekend.
Just have to accept its part of the way he plays the game. He's a Great, world class goalkeeper.
Pope is miles more experienced in the Premier League than Emi, and played for one of the biggest bunch of cheats and cloggers in Burnley. Newcastle do just as much 'game management' as us, so I really don't think Pope needs any encouragement from Emi. Lastly, amending your post to say "Great, world class goalkeeper" isn't fooling anybody. You've got a bizarre aversion to Martinez.
He doesn’t have an aversion. It’s called perspective and foresight. Intellect, balance and an enlightenment that the rest of us only wish we had.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 16, 2023, 11:58:19 AM
What I find most irritating is the blatant professional foul which at worst gets a booking.
If a player is going through on goal I want to see what happens, not a free kick.
I think they should bring in a sin bin for these situations. Or a straight red.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 16, 2023, 11:59:34 AM
That's a very good point, KG, and it helps to explain things to my understanding of Martinez behaviour on the pitch.The better goalkeepers tend to be a bit tapped. And the better/ more competitive players often play on the edge.
Emi illustrates both.
It's also a long-established part of Argentinian sporting culture to not just indulge in the dark arts but celebrate them. It's not viewed with the same disdain as here.
That's correct and it's the very reason why Maradonna's hand of God goal is celebrated like it is.
I do feel he has evolved somewhat into quite a character.
Clearly, he's a winner, and we must all accept his good and bad qualities because he's a match saver, leader, and a very passionate person who only ehances our ability to win football matches when he's on the pitch.
Post by: algy on January 16, 2023, 12:01:54 PM
They have a term for it (that I can't quite recall) which is a play on pick pocket or similar.Was going to make the same point, but you've done it quite a lot better than I would've.
Maradona, Simeone (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2002/may/19/worldcupfootball2002.football2) and now Martinez are some of the more obvious exponents. But there have been plenty of others.QuoteAs Bertoni, in all candour says, 'in my opinion the English players are too honest'. Argentine players, on the other hand, are guided by the spirit of Machiavelli.
Diego Simeone's ludicrous reaction to the tap he received on the leg from Beckham in 1998 offered a perfect case in point. 'Our way of playing is inspired by the Italian model,' Perfumo told me. 'English players are more naive. Our game is more calculating. We study a rival more closely, we look for ways to destroy him. One of our approaches, for example, is to study a player's weak points so we can try and make him angry. Because in football if you get angry, you lose.'
Ricardo Villa makes the same point. 'In Argentina you go to the pitch with a masterplan in your mind. It is a destructive one instead of a creative one. It is better to destroy than to create. I played in England for five years and I never had anybody giving me advice on how to destroy a player.'
I'd absolutely hate Martinez if he played for someone else. I'd also wish he was our arsehole. Thankfully, he is.
Post by: Drummond on January 16, 2023, 12:03:38 PM
That's a very good point, KG, and it helps to explain things to my understanding of Martinez behaviour on the pitch.The better goalkeepers tend to be a bit tapped. And the better/ more competitive players often play on the edge.
Emi illustrates both.
It's also a long-established part of Argentinian sporting culture to not just indulge in the dark arts but celebrate them. It's not viewed with the same disdain as here.
That's correct and it's the very reason why Maradonna's hand of God goal is celebrated like it is.
I do feel he has evolved somewhat into quite a character.
Clearly, he's a winner, and we must all accept his good and bad qualities because he's a match saver, leader, and a very passionate person who only ehances our ability to win football matches when he's on the pitch.
What 'bad qualities'?
Post by: algy on January 16, 2023, 12:05:01 PM
Oh come on, the guy's a complete knobhead. An utter prick. What he does is about 1/16th inch away from cheating.That's a very good point, KG, and it helps to explain things to my understanding of Martinez behaviour on the pitch.The better goalkeepers tend to be a bit tapped. And the better/ more competitive players often play on the edge.
Emi illustrates both.
It's also a long-established part of Argentinian sporting culture to not just indulge in the dark arts but celebrate them. It's not viewed with the same disdain as here.
That's correct and it's the very reason why Maradonna's hand of God goal is celebrated like it is.
I do feel he has evolved somewhat into quite a character.
Clearly, he's a winner, and we must all accept his good and bad qualities because he's a match saver, leader, and a very passionate person who only ehances our ability to win football matches when he's on the pitch.
What 'bad qualities'?
Though personally, when it comes to goalkeepers, I think that's exactly what you want.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 16, 2023, 12:07:07 PM
I don't like the gamesmanship, but if we didn't do it we would be at a huge disadvantage.
What I find most irritating is the blatant professional foul which at worst gets a booking.
If a player is going through on goal I want to see what happens, not a free kick.
I think they should bring in a sin bin for these situations. Or a straight red.
You don't like the gamesmanship? Every team has it in them. Fernandez gave it some at the weekend the Poundshop shithouser that he is. You see players going down now for the slightest of contacts with the sole purpose of gaining some advantage. It's infuriating most of the time but increasingly it's part of the game.
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2023, 12:07:56 PM
I don't see that Crook's is personally having a go at him anyway, i think you've misread it. He comments that Martinez ha had critisism from elsewhere but the 'boy's will be boys' bit is most likely Crook's opinion that it's all part of the game.
As for Ramsdale, he was being a right twat at the end, Richarlison was quite within he rights to come over and tell him to fuck off up the other end and stop goading the fans. The fan that kicked him should be banned for life though as there's no excuse for that.
Just before the final whistle Ramsdale came and took a cross and kind of screamed in delight as he did, you could hear it clearly (I had my headphones on as well). Richarlison was standing in his way when he went to kick it and then the whistle blew, it blew up from there.
I think both players were twats and as much as the bellend that tried to kick Ramsdale needs sorting out, the PFA need to have a word with some of their members as well. Nobody should be worried about their safety celebrating on the pitch, but use your head, doing an Adebayor up the pitch is not the wisest thing in the world, and even if they don't come on the pitch at you some poor sod in the crowd is probably getting knocked over in the rush to get to the front for some pavement dancing.
Post by: Risso on January 16, 2023, 12:08:37 PM
*occasionally
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 16, 2023, 12:16:02 PM
Listen, I'm guilty of putting my own sporting values and ideas ahead of accepting Martinez's preferred method of how he wants to conduct his play.
And he's definitely influenced the likes of Nick Pope and Arom Ramsgate in the antics they were displaying this weekend.
Just have to accept its part of the way he plays the game. He's a Great, world class goalkeeper.
Pope is miles more experienced in the Premier League than Emi, and played for one of the biggest bunch of cheats and cloggers in Burnley. Newcastle do just as much 'game management' as us, so I really don't think Pope needs any encouragement from Emi. Lastly, amending your post to say "Great, world class goalkeeper" isn't fooling anybody. You've got a bizarre aversion to Martinez.
He doesn’t have an aversion. It’s called perspective and foresight. Intellect, balance and an enlightenment that the rest of us only wish we had.
Concerning the labelling use of aversion to Martinez well, It just takes me a while to get used to having our own very successful keeper act in those ways, especially since we are all averse to opponents acting in such ways.
It makes me feel hypocritical and less likely to debate and criticise the behaviour of some of the players with rival fans.
We can all celebrate Martinez in our own way, and I'll admit that there are clearly some who like him just the way he is. I would not tolerate that type of behaviour from any professional footballer, on or off the field.
I'm not his manager, agent, coach, partner, or relative, but I have an idea of how he should conduct himself, and that's just an ideal that, unfortunately, he doesn't always live up to in terms of what I value in a person.
But that's a human, isn't it? And I'll just have to accept it and do my level best not to comment on what I don't like about him instead focusing on his world class attributes of leadership and goalkeeping ability.
Post by: Dave on January 16, 2023, 12:16:52 PM
I think both players were twats and as much as the bellend that tried to kick Ramsdale needs sorting out, the PFA need to have a word with some of their members as well. Nobody should be worried about their safety celebrating on the pitch, but use your head, doing an Adebayor up the pitch is not the wisest thing in the world, and even if they don't come on the pitch at you some poor sod in the crowd is probably getting knocked over in the rush to get to the front for some pavement dancing.
What Ramsdale did wasn't any worse than Emi dancing in front of the ManYoo fans when Fernandes missed that penalty. And I thought that was great.
Post by: Drummond on January 16, 2023, 12:16:52 PM
Oh come on, the guy's a complete knobhead. An utter prick. What he does is about 1/16th inch away from cheating.That's a very good point, KG, and it helps to explain things to my understanding of Martinez behaviour on the pitch.The better goalkeepers tend to be a bit tapped. And the better/ more competitive players often play on the edge.
Emi illustrates both.
It's also a long-established part of Argentinian sporting culture to not just indulge in the dark arts but celebrate them. It's not viewed with the same disdain as here.
That's correct and it's the very reason why Maradonna's hand of God goal is celebrated like it is.
I do feel he has evolved somewhat into quite a character.
Clearly, he's a winner, and we must all accept his good and bad qualities because he's a match saver, leader, and a very passionate person who only ehances our ability to win football matches when he's on the pitch.
What 'bad qualities'?
Though personally, when it comes to goalkeepers, I think that's exactly what you want.
It's exactly what we need. It's not a bad quality to have, he plays within the rules (albeit with the occasional Yellow Card for a minor infringement of wasting time) so he's good. ;D
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2023, 12:17:38 PM
For almost my entire Villa-supporting life, we've been too nice to the point of naivety. Good old Aston Villa, who will turn up, play well* have their tummies tickled then leave quietly without any fuss, with the likes of Alex Ferguson complimenting us on what a great team we are. Well bollocks to that, and hurrah for Emi.
*occasionally
Absolutely, and it's gone on far too fucking long. It's seeped into the attitude of some fans as well. When we sold that lad to Citeh, you know him with the fat legs, the "he deserves to play at the top level", "we shouldn't stand in his way" (not from posters on this board, more the wider support), arrrgh, fuck off.
We're not here for the benefit of anyone else you fucking plums.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 16, 2023, 12:19:51 PM
This is what I mean how can we comment on other goal keepers or players like Richarlison when Martinez is up there with this sort of behaviour!I don't see that Crook's is personally having a go at him anyway, i think you've misread it. He comments that Martinez ha had critisism from elsewhere but the 'boy's will be boys' bit is most likely Crook's opinion that it's all part of the game.
As for Ramsdale, he was being a right twat at the end, Richarlison was quite within he rights to come over and tell him to fuck off up the other end and stop goading the fans. The fan that kicked him should be banned for life though as there's no excuse for that.
Just before the final whistle Ramsdale came and took a cross and kind of screamed in delight as he did, you could hear it clearly (I had my headphones on as well). Richarlison was standing in his way when he went to kick it and then the whistle blew, it blew up from there.
I think both players were twats and as much as the bellend that tried to kick Ramsdale needs sorting out, the PFA need to have a word with some of their members as well. Nobody should be worried about their safety celebrating on the pitch, but use your head, doing an Adebayor up the pitch is not the wisest thing in the world, and even if they don't come on the pitch at you some poor sod in the crowd is probably getting knocked over in the rush to get to the front for some pavement dancing.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 16, 2023, 12:31:20 PM
I agree it does not mean that that I like it.I don't like the gamesmanship, but if we didn't do it we would be at a huge disadvantage.
What I find most irritating is the blatant professional foul which at worst gets a booking.
If a player is going through on goal I want to see what happens, not a free kick.
I think they should bring in a sin bin for these situations. Or a straight red.
You don't like the gamesmanship? Every team has it in them. Fernandez gave it some at the weekend the Poundshop shithouser that he is. You see players going down now for the slightest of contacts with the sole purpose of gaining some advantage. It's infuriating most of the time but increasingly it's part of the game.
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 16, 2023, 12:35:24 PM
For almost my entire Villa-supporting life, we've been too nice to the point of naivety. Good old Aston Villa, who will turn up, play well* have their tummies tickled then leave quietly without any fuss, with the likes of Alex Ferguson complimenting us on what a great team we are. Well bollocks to that, and hurrah for Emi.well said
*occasionally
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 16, 2023, 12:39:46 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 16, 2023, 12:42:55 PM
For almost my entire Villa-supporting life, we've been too nice to the point of naivety. Good old Aston Villa, who will turn up, play well* have their tummies tickled then leave quietly without any fuss, with the likes of Alex Ferguson complimenting us on what a great team we are. Well bollocks to that, and hurrah for Emi.
*occasionally
Absolutely, and it's gone on far too fucking long. It's seeped into the attitude of some fans as well. When we sold that lad to Citeh, you know him with the fat legs, the "he deserves to play at the top level", "we shouldn't stand in his way" (not from posters on this board, more the wider support), arrrgh, fuck off.
We're not here for the benefit of anyone else you fucking plums.
Exactly that.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 16, 2023, 12:45:33 PM
I don't agree and I don't like it as it morally wrong but have to accept how immoral behaviour is not going to always be punished immediately.I agree it does not mean that that I like it.I don't like the gamesmanship, but if we didn't do it we would be at a huge disadvantage.
What I find most irritating is the blatant professional foul which at worst gets a booking.
If a player is going through on goal I want to see what happens, not a free kick.
I think they should bring in a sin bin for these situations. Or a straight red.
You don't like the gamesmanship? Every team has it in them. Fernandez gave it some at the weekend the Poundshop shithouser that he is. You see players going down now for the slightest of contacts with the sole purpose of gaining some advantage. It's infuriating most of the time but increasingly it's part of the game.
Its actually great to have a varied view on this and allow us all to have that without suggesting anything untoward about people posting their take on how Emi conducts himself.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 16, 2023, 01:02:24 PM
In discussion we've been made aware by Kevin Gage that this behaviour is cultural in nature, it is easier to comprehend why people or players behave in such an obnoxious and uneducated manner. It's not as simply as labelling all Argentinians as the same as it is with any nationality but adds to the understanding why Martinez conducted himself the way he did in order to win.Oh come on, the guy's a complete knobhead. An utter prick. What he does is about 1/16th inch away from cheating.That's a very good point, KG, and it helps to explain things to my understanding of Martinez behaviour on the pitch.The better goalkeepers tend to be a bit tapped. And the better/ more competitive players often play on the edge.
Emi illustrates both.
It's also a long-established part of Argentinian sporting culture to not just indulge in the dark arts but celebrate them. It's not viewed with the same disdain as here.
That's correct and it's the very reason why Maradonna's hand of God goal is celebrated like it is.
I do feel he has evolved somewhat into quite a character.
Clearly, he's a winner, and we must all accept his good and bad qualities because he's a match saver, leader, and a very passionate person who only ehances our ability to win football matches when he's on the pitch.
What 'bad qualities'?
Though personally, when it comes to goalkeepers, I think that's exactly what you want.
It's exactly what we need. It's not a bad quality to have, he plays within the rules (albeit with the occasional Yellow Card for a minor infringement of wasting time) so he's good. ;D
For those for such behaviour then consider opponents players or managers and for when Villa lose and have received or had to witness the display of same type of behavior. Are you so embracing or when our team have to suffer?
No so its hypocritical to praise that type of winning behaviour so quickly unless it is customary in your culture your only doing it because he plays for Villa. There's a bigger picture.
Even if it gets Villa good results or outcomes, I doubt I will ever be able to align myself with a seemingly greater good ideal by some in football because that contradicts true sporting ethics and attitude. Instead, I will try to promote on his playing skills and characteristics in games to see how they help or hurt our team.
Post by: Risso on January 16, 2023, 01:03:51 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 16, 2023, 01:08:58 PM
https://youtu.be/1hZWlwq9dWw
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 16, 2023, 01:11:02 PM
And yes, i agree with those that think we've been too nice for too long anyway and it makes a refreshing change for one of ours to be (kind of) the aggressor.
Post by: paul_e on January 16, 2023, 01:13:54 PM
In discussion we've been made aware by Kevin Gage that this behaviour is cultural in nature, it is easier to comprehend why people or players behave in such an obnoxious and uneducated manner. It's not as simply as labelling all Argentinians as the same as it is with any nationality but adds to the understanding why Martinez conducted himself the way he did in order to win.
For those for such behaviour then consider opponents players or managers and for when Villa lose and have received or had to witness the display of same type of behavior. Are you so embracing or when our team have to suffer?
No so its hypocritical to praise that type of winning behaviour so quickly unless it is customary in your culture your only doing it because he plays for Villa. There's a bigger picture.
Even if it gets Villa good results or outcomes, I doubt I will ever be able to align myself with a seemingly greater good ideal by some in football because that contradicts true sporting ethics and attitude. Instead, I will try to promote on his playing skills and characteristics in games to see how they help or hurt our team.
Welcome to being a sports fan, hypocrisy is a fundamental part of the experience.
More broadly almost every genuinely great team in history (not limited to football) has a few players that tread the line on sportsmanship, you don't have to like it but you do have to accept that it is, and always has been, part of top level sport.
EDIT: Also you may want to look into Ashley Young a bit more because he's never been shy to take advantage of a chance to stretch the rules but oddly you don't mention it on his thread every few days.
Post by: Drummond on January 16, 2023, 01:40:03 PM
In discussion we've been made aware by Kevin Gage that this behaviour is cultural in nature, it is easier to comprehend why people or players behave in such an obnoxious and uneducated manner. It's not as simply as labelling all Argentinians as the same as it is with any nationality but adds to the understanding why Martinez conducted himself the way he did in order to win.
For those for such behaviour then consider opponents players or managers and for when Villa lose and have received or had to witness the display of same type of behavior. Are you so embracing or when our team have to suffer?
No so its hypocritical to praise that type of winning behaviour so quickly unless it is customary in your culture your only doing it because he plays for Villa. There's a bigger picture.
Even if it gets Villa good results or outcomes, I doubt I will ever be able to align myself with a seemingly greater good ideal by some in football because that contradicts true sporting ethics and attitude. Instead, I will try to promote on his playing skills and characteristics in games to see how they help or hurt our team.
The issue is that over the years we've had plenty of good players who are jolly good sports and play the game etc.
As has been said, we need winners, and winners will do whatever it takes to win, including pushing boundaries.
I embrace it all, of course I get frustrated when Fernandez dives, or when Ramsdale gives it the big 'un, when Man City surround the referee, when Zaha moans and moans and moans. That's part of the experience and the enjoyment.
When I play 5-a-side (fuck me I talk about that a lot) then there are players on both sides claiming free-kicks, encroachment into the area, pushing and shoving etc. It's part of the sport and enjoyment of it.
We've got a bona-fide winner, not just in attitude but in winning the biggest competition in the world. His behaviour and attitude was a huge part of that success. If even a small part of that translates into more points on the board for the Villa then I'm all for it. No longer will we be the plucky losers; we need the attitude that comes with winning, the swagger, bravado, and attitude that separates us from the rest.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 17, 2023, 09:52:02 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 17, 2023, 10:12:19 AM
I must admit, I'm no fan of Martinez's blatant time wasting, or any other of our players doing it for that matter, for the simple reason that I don't actually think that blatant time wasting is a particularly productive or effective form of 'game management', whereas slowing a game down in order to disrupt the opposition's flow (mainly by keeping careful possession of the ball, preferably in the opposition's half) can be.
Taking the sting out of the game is it's purpose so it can be effective sometimes. If it was ineffective players would be instructed to cut it out. Keeping careful possession is desirable but less achievable when the opposition is chasing the game and putting the pressure on making mistakes more likely. The really good teams are better at it of course because they have the better players.
Post by: paul_e on January 17, 2023, 12:39:16 PM
I must admit, I'm no fan of Martinez's blatant time wasting, or any other of our players doing it for that matter, for the simple reason that I don't actually think that blatant time wasting is a particularly productive or effective form of 'game management', whereas slowing a game down in order to disrupt the opposition's flow (mainly by keeping careful possession of the ball, preferably in the opposition's half) can be.
Taking the sting out of the game is it's purpose so it can be effective sometimes. If it was ineffective players would be instructed to cut it out. Keeping careful possession is desirable but less achievable when the opposition is chasing the game and putting the pressure on making mistakes more likely. The really good teams are better at it of course because they have the better players.
I think the impact it has on opposition players is important as well. A few times this season we've seen teams get really agitated and start moaning at the ref, etc, which just shows that we've got them a bit wound up and, for a lot of players, that impacts the quality of their decision making. If you watch teams like Man City when they lose games it's almost always because they lose their cool and stop playing their normal game.
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2023, 12:41:27 PM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 17, 2023, 01:11:14 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2023, 01:20:04 PM
Emi travels by plane for good reason, as McGinn begrudingky said Martinez does not drink alcohol and kept his fitness up while celebrating the World Cup victory. That's great professionalism and leadership, so yeah, if we bring in Guendouzi or another midfielder, McGinn isn't the best choice to be captain, whereas Martinez, despite some disagreeable antics, should be made captain permanently.
Post by: Clampy on January 17, 2023, 01:21:49 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2023, 01:22:33 PM
Post by: Clampy on January 17, 2023, 01:24:09 PM
I don't want to go on but he flew to Dublin while he's recivering from a hamstring injury.
I thought you said you had said enough about that? Your posts are beginnig to bore. I feel the block button being used.
Post by: TaxDodger on January 17, 2023, 01:25:03 PM
I don't want to go on but he flew to Dublin while he's recivering from a hamstring injury.
You think McGinn should be stripped of the captaincy because he got a 45 minute flight to Dublin? I genuinely can't tell if you're taking the piss or not.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2023, 01:25:16 PM
No need I will leave these parts till the transfer window closes.I don't want to go on but he flew to Dublin while he's recivering from a hamstring injury.
I thought you said you had said enough about that? Your posts are beginnig to bore. I feel the block button being used.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 17, 2023, 01:29:24 PM
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2023, 01:34:23 PM
Ah like clockwork…
Mystic Meg! :)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 17, 2023, 01:39:49 PM
Ah like clockwork…
Mystic Meg! :)
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Plain-no-tabbing-119-1.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=1920&h=1280&crop=1)
Whatever happened to Mystic Meg anyway? Is she dead?
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2023, 01:44:20 PM
Ah like clockwork…
Mystic Meg! :)
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Plain-no-tabbing-119-1.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=1920&h=1280&crop=1)
Whatever happened to Mystic Meg anyway? Is she dead?
You tell me, Mystic Meg! ;)
Post by: Clampy on January 17, 2023, 01:49:15 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 17, 2023, 01:57:46 PM
I don't want to go on but he flew to Dublin while he's recivering from a hamstring injury.
It gets worse as he didn't even book a seat with extra leg room, probably because he'd have ended up beside me.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 17, 2023, 02:53:21 PM
Ah like clockwork…
Mystic Meg! :)
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Plain-no-tabbing-119-1.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=1920&h=1280&crop=1)
Whatever happened to Mystic Meg anyway? Is she dead?
You tell me, Mystic Meg! ;)
You got me. I’m alive and well and currently living inside the mind of Gregnash. The miserable annoying fucker won’t stop face palming.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2023, 07:29:40 PM
Post by: Allan C on January 18, 2023, 07:53:29 PM
Wouldn’t change a thing about Martinez. His cockiness is part of what makes him a great goalkeeper. It’s what makes him great at getting in the heads of his opponent. Jimmy Rimmer was before my time, but Martinez is the best Villa keeper I’ve seen since supporting the club. I said it to someone recently that I wouldn’t swap Martinez for any other keeper out there right now and I stand by that. He makes impossible saves, transmits assurance to his defence even with his cockiness (as well as the related entertainment value) and there is nobody else I’d want in net for any penalty situations. Nobody.That is exactly how I see it. I wouldn’t swap him for any other keeper. I do remember Rimmer and he was superb but I think Emi is the best I’ve seen. Actually we’ve had some good GK’s over the years.
Post by: wince on January 20, 2023, 04:41:16 PM
If he flew Ryanair, wouldn't he just hang off the wing like in 'Flight of the Phoenix'?I don't want to go on but he flew to Dublin while he's recivering from a hamstring injury.
It gets worse as he didn't even book a seat with extra leg room, probably because he'd have ended up beside me.
Footy what should we do, cut his other hamstring so he can't move? I really don't see the drama here. Thank ye Gods you are not in a position of power. 'He looked at a cake when on a diet'. 'TAKE HIM TO THE TREE'. I could understand if he was meant to be playing, claimed a case of the London Blitz then buggered off on the razz for a week but it's hardly lack of moral fibre material is it?
Post by: Smirker on January 21, 2023, 05:05:35 PM
Despite not having too much to do today, what he did he did exceptionally well.
Offer him 1m per week.
BEST IN THE WORLD 8)
Post by: Risso on January 21, 2023, 05:06:36 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 21, 2023, 05:09:40 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 21, 2023, 05:10:20 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 21, 2023, 05:10:51 PM
Post by: BC54 VFC on January 21, 2023, 05:21:11 PM
I agree entirely with both these comments. I go back to 1966, and watched live the vast majority of Jimmy Rimmer's games for Villa, including Rotterdam, but Emi is definitely the better, with his shot stopping first class, and the confidence which he exudes is a massive plus. I wouldn't want any other goalkeeper in the world rn.Wouldn’t change a thing about Martinez. His cockiness is part of what makes him a great goalkeeper. It’s what makes him great at getting in the heads of his opponent. Jimmy Rimmer was before my time, but Martinez is the best Villa keeper I’ve seen since supporting the club. I said it to someone recently that I wouldn’t swap Martinez for any other keeper out there right now and I stand by that. He makes impossible saves, transmits assurance to his defence even with his cockiness (as well as the related entertainment value) and there is nobody else I’d want in net for any penalty situations. Nobody.That is exactly how I see it. I wouldn’t swap him for any other keeper. I do remember Rimmer and he was superb but I think Emi is the best I’ve seen. Actually we’ve had some good GK’s over the years.
Post by: Monty on January 21, 2023, 05:22:13 PM
Post by: London Villan on January 21, 2023, 06:28:03 PM
Post by: Vegas on January 21, 2023, 06:28:38 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 21, 2023, 06:56:54 PM
Superb. Great sweeper too.
Better on the ball than either of our CBs.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 21, 2023, 06:59:59 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 21, 2023, 07:17:38 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 21, 2023, 07:55:04 PM
Prove him wrong NSWE.
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 21, 2023, 07:59:26 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 21, 2023, 08:00:42 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 21, 2023, 08:10:54 PM
Post by: Dave P on January 21, 2023, 09:12:34 PM
This seems just as ridiculous written down as it did in my head.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 21, 2023, 09:20:05 PM
If he’d have played against Stevenage, we would have won.
This seems just as ridiculous written down as it did in my head.
It wasn’t all down to the keeper. I know Olsen fucked it up at the end but the defeat in totality wasn’t down to him. We played Stevenage of League 2. We should have been well clear by the time they equalized. It was a team failure.
But specific to Emi I’m just so fucking glad he’s ours.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 21, 2023, 10:02:03 PM
If he’d have played against Stevenage, we would have won.
This seems just as ridiculous written down as it did in my head.
It wasn’t all down to the keeper. I know Olsen fucked it up at the end but the defeat in totality wasn’t down to him. We played Stevenage of League 2. We should have been well clear by the time they equalized. It was a team failure.
But specific to Emi I’m just so fucking glad he’s ours.
Man U in the cup was the masterclass in Olson fuck ups. Play Emi in that one and I’d like to think we’d be in a 2 legged semi final now.
Post by: Smirker on January 21, 2023, 10:04:06 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 21, 2023, 10:53:39 PM
Is there fuck.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 22, 2023, 12:40:24 AM
He takes being captain seriously, and he's the stand out man for the job.
Post by: Risso on January 22, 2023, 12:42:17 AM
A few little things - start of the match, doing the huddle pep talk, taking care of comms with the ref on the drone incident, gesturing the players over to the fans at the end of the match (and then lapping it up big time).
He takes being captain seriously, and he's the stand out man for the job.
And he spends half the match out of his area, so the "goalies are too far away to be captain" argument goes out of the window as well!
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 22, 2023, 12:48:55 AM
A few little things - start of the match, doing the huddle pep talk, taking care of comms with the ref on the drone incident, gesturing the players over to the fans at the end of the match (and then lapping it up big time).
He takes being captain seriously, and he's the stand out man for the job.
And he spends half the match out of his area, so the "goalies are too far away to be captain" argument goes out of the window as well!
I don't like to give Danny Murphy any credit but on MOTD he was talking about how Martinez is playing the ball to feet as part of the manager's philosophy, but also how that has encouraged him to come out and play like a sweeper, too. Good point, I thought (if not exactly a major insight)
Post by: LeonW on January 22, 2023, 01:04:25 AM
I agree entirely with both these comments. I go back to 1966, and watched live the vast majority of Jimmy Rimmer's games for Villa, including Rotterdam, but Emi is definitely the better, with his shot stopping first class, and the confidence which he exudes is a massive plus. I wouldn't want any other goalkeeper in the world rn.Wouldn’t change a thing about Martinez. His cockiness is part of what makes him a great goalkeeper. It’s what makes him great at getting in the heads of his opponent. Jimmy Rimmer was before my time, but Martinez is the best Villa keeper I’ve seen since supporting the club. I said it to someone recently that I wouldn’t swap Martinez for any other keeper out there right now and I stand by that. He makes impossible saves, transmits assurance to his defence even with his cockiness (as well as the related entertainment value) and there is nobody else I’d want in net for any penalty situations. Nobody.That is exactly how I see it. I wouldn’t swap him for any other keeper. I do remember Rimmer and he was superb but I think Emi is the best I’ve seen. Actually we’ve had some good GK’s over the years.
Another save today in the second half which was just world class, like his world class save last week against Leeds. He keeps doing this time and time again. We have to do everything possible to make sure he finishes his career with us. His calmness in possession as well at points, and sweeping up at the back. He is just phenomenal.
Post by: Rory on January 22, 2023, 01:37:40 AM
Is there a better keeper in the world right now?
Is there fuck.
And the funny thing is, his only 'weaknesses' are a result of him being too good.
He often struggles with deflections because he gets down so quickly: he'll be well on the way to making a save that no other keeper in the world could, and then gets caught out, whereas a keeper with inferior vision, reflexes and agility (so, all of them) mighy be in a better position to respond to the change of trajectory by virtue of being nowhere near good enough to deal with the pre-deflection effort.
If that makes sense?
Post by: adrenachrome on January 22, 2023, 10:36:25 AM
A few little things - start of the match, doing the huddle pep talk, taking care of comms with the ref on the drone incident, gesturing the players over to the fans at the end of the match (and then lapping it up big time).
He takes being captain seriously, and he's the stand out man for the job.
And he spends half the match out of his area, so the "goalies are too far away to be captain" argument goes out of the window as well!
I don't like to give Danny Murphy any credit but on MOTD he was talking about how Martinez is playing the ball to feet as part of the manager's philosophy, but also how that has encouraged him to come out and play like a sweeper, too. Good point, I thought (if not exactly a major insight)
Yes. He used the term "sweeper keeper". For a moment I thought he was going to burst into song like a character in a Dennis Potter play:
I'll be your sweeper keeper
Medals gonna find me
Like they always do
Post by: aj2k77 on January 22, 2023, 11:08:56 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 22, 2023, 11:20:04 AM
A few little things - start of the match, doing the huddle pep talk, taking care of comms with the ref on the drone incident, gesturing the players over to the fans at the end of the match (and then lapping it up big time).
He takes being captain seriously, and he's the stand out man for the job.
And he spends half the match out of his area, so the "goalies are too far away to be captain" argument goes out of the window as well!
What stands out for me is that he has the respect of the players. They listen to him. They would anyway but more so now because of what he’s achieved. He’s won the biggest prize making his standing on a different level..
Post by: nigel on January 22, 2023, 11:49:36 AM
Is there a better keeper in the world right now?
Is there fuck.
And the funny thing is, his only 'weaknesses' are a result of him being too good.
He often struggles with deflections because he gets down so quickly: he'll be well on the way to making a save that no other keeper in the world could, and then gets caught out, whereas a keeper with inferior vision, reflexes and agility (so, all of them) mighy be in a better position to respond to the change of trajectory by virtue of being nowhere near good enough to deal with the pre-deflection effort.
If that makes sense?
If a keeper ‘Struggles with a deflection’ I don’t see that as a weakness, just rotten luck.
I know exactly where you’re coming from, but I think you’re being a touch harsh on something that is totally out of his control
Post by: frank black on January 22, 2023, 12:23:12 PM
A few little things - start of the match, doing the huddle pep talk, taking care of comms with the ref on the drone incident, gesturing the players over to the fans at the end of the match (and then lapping it up big time).
He takes being captain seriously, and he's the stand out man for the job.
And he spends half the match out of his area, so the "goalies are too far away to be captain" argument goes out of the window as well!
I don't like to give Danny Murphy any credit but on MOTD he was talking about how Martinez is playing the ball to feet as part of the manager's philosophy, but also how that has encouraged him to come out and play like a sweeper, too. Good point, I thought (if not exactly a major insight)
Probably down to the new GK coach as much as the manager , to give them some credit. He certainly will benefit from different coaching (to add to what Cutler achieved)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 22, 2023, 12:47:13 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 22, 2023, 02:36:07 PM
If he played for us and not them nobody would be bigging him up like that.
I’d say Pope is also a better keeper than him.
Post by: LeeB on January 22, 2023, 02:39:46 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 22, 2023, 04:40:06 PM
Post by: john e on January 22, 2023, 05:56:34 PM
Is there any keeper in the world who you would swap for our Emi? Genuinely, I can't think of one.
Not for me either
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 22, 2023, 06:00:28 PM
Post by: AV82EC on January 22, 2023, 06:00:53 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Martinez is getting far too cocky - not just off the pitch.
Yes.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 22, 2023, 06:26:56 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Martinez is getting far too cocky - not just off the pitch.
Yes.
Yes.
Post by: Ian. on January 22, 2023, 06:28:45 PM
Post by: manic-road on January 22, 2023, 06:37:07 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Martinez is getting far too cocky - not just off the pitch.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes
Post by: Risso on January 22, 2023, 06:39:54 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Martinez is getting far too cocky - not just off the pitch.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes
I can think of one other poster who agrees with him.
Post by: AV82EC on January 22, 2023, 06:44:25 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Martinez is getting far too cocky - not just off the pitch.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes
I can think of one other poster who agrees with him.
Yes but that’s Footy and well…..he’s Footy.
Post by: Rory on January 22, 2023, 07:24:50 PM
Is there a better keeper in the world right now?
Is there fuck.
And the funny thing is, his only 'weaknesses' are a result of him being too good.
He often struggles with deflections because he gets down so quickly: he'll be well on the way to making a save that no other keeper in the world could, and then gets caught out, whereas a keeper with inferior vision, reflexes and agility (so, all of them) mighy be in a better position to respond to the change of trajectory by virtue of being nowhere near good enough to deal with the pre-deflection effort.
If that makes sense?
If a keeper ‘Struggles with a deflection’ I don’t see that as a weakness, just rotten luck.
I know exactly where you’re coming from, but I think you’re being a touch harsh on something that is totally out of his control
Oh the word 'weaknesses' was firmly in inverted commas.
Post by: Beard82 on January 22, 2023, 07:52:56 PM
We need him to be like that. That's how world-class players are. They make everyone else look better around them - and that's exactly what he does. Yesterday if Olsen was in goal, we would be talking about how a Mings mistake cost us a goal - but Emi read the situation and we got 3 points.Am I the only one who thinks Martinez is getting far too cocky - not just off the pitch.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes
Its like Joe - he took everyone else's game up a notch just by being so bloody good. Emi does the same - we should treasure him - as there is a very good chance well all tell our kids about how he the best keeper Villa ever had.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2023, 07:57:21 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 22, 2023, 10:10:28 PM
He is a huge physical presence but I honestly think he has created an aurora around him.
He did not even shithouse yesterday
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 22, 2023, 10:17:12 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2023, 02:30:25 AM
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 23, 2023, 08:59:46 AM
I genuinely think he is intimidating opposition players whether it is on crosses, coming off his line or general command of the area.
He is a huge physical presence but I honestly think he has created an aurora around him.
I said the same on Saturday. Can’t think of too many keepers who completely dominate opponents and who can impose themselves as much as Martinez. Peter Schmeichel And Oliver Khan maybe. Am I getting a bit carried away here?
Post by: The Edge on January 23, 2023, 09:03:55 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 23, 2023, 09:30:38 AM
It was a superb performance against Southampton.I genuinely think he is intimidating opposition players whether it is on crosses, coming off his line or general command of the area.
He is a huge physical presence but I honestly think he has created an aurora around him.
I said the same on Saturday. Can’t think of too many keepers who completely dominate opponents and who can impose themselves as much as Martinez. Peter Schmeichel And Oliver Khan maybe. Am I getting a bit carried away here?
I worry a clever manager will find a way to exploit his high starting position, but I'm sure our coaches are aware of that. As a plan against Southampton it was brilliant.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 23, 2023, 11:33:49 AM
I genuinely think he is intimidating opposition players whether it is on crosses, coming off his line or general command of the area.
He is a huge physical presence but I honestly think he has created an aurora around him.
I said the same on Saturday. Can’t think of too many keepers who completely dominate opponents and who can impose themselves as much as Martinez. Peter Schmeichel And Oliver Khan maybe. Am I getting a bit carried away here?
No, maybe add in Neuer as well.
Post by: eamonn on January 23, 2023, 01:37:19 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 23, 2023, 03:25:32 PM
What about Chilavert, the Paraguayan keeper? Not much cop but he was built like two bouncers.
Shit keeper, great free kick taker
Post by: LeonW on January 23, 2023, 03:46:41 PM
What about Chilavert, the Paraguayan keeper? Not much cop but he was built like two bouncers.
Shit keeper, great free kick taker
Chilavert was a great keeper as well as a great free kicker taker. Won South American player of the year once and also finished in the top 3 on a further 3 occasions.
Post by: mrfuse on January 23, 2023, 04:41:31 PM
Watching MOTD2 last night and they did a montage of the best saves by a keeper in the PL so far this season. They never managed to find even one from EMI. Tossers.
Yeah i was about switch off and I though,t I wonder which Martinez save they will show? So i carried on watching and nothing from the current World cup winning keeper!
Post by: The Edge on January 23, 2023, 05:02:24 PM
Just a couple off the top of my head. The one against Leeds and the one on Saturday. If he makes those saves for Man U,Liverpool or Arsenal they would be building the show around him. They are a bunch of starstruck top 6 fanboys. Ditto Sky sports and Talksport.Watching MOTD2 last night and they did a montage of the best saves by a keeper in the PL so far this season. They never managed to find even one from EMI. Tossers.
Yeah i was about switch off and I though,t I wonder which Martinez save they will show? So i carried on watching and nothing from the current World cup winning keeper!
Post by: tomd2103 on January 23, 2023, 05:31:57 PM
Just a couple off the top of my head. The one against Leeds and the one on Saturday. If he makes those saves for Man U,Liverpool or Arsenal they would be building the show around him. They are a bunch of starstruck top 6 fanboys. Ditto Sky sports and Talksport.Watching MOTD2 last night and they did a montage of the best saves by a keeper in the PL so far this season. They never managed to find even one from EMI. Tossers.
Yeah i was about switch off and I though,t I wonder which Martinez save they will show? So i carried on watching and nothing from the current World cup winning keeper!
I was in the directly behind the goal in the North Stand for the Leeds game and it was a brilliant save. The footage I have seen of it since doesn't really do it justice as he made up so much ground in an instant.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 23, 2023, 07:50:11 PM
What about Chilavert, the Paraguayan keeper? Not much cop but he was built like two bouncers.
Shit keeper, great free kick taker
He was no Rogério Ceni.
Post by: LeeB on January 26, 2023, 10:22:40 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/jan/24/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2022 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/jan/24/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2022)
Post by: rob_bridge on January 26, 2023, 10:53:13 AM
Named 20th in the World's Top 100 Male Players in the Guradian:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/jan/24/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2022 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/jan/24/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2022)
I do fear we will lose him in the summer with a silly bid.
Bayern are an obvious one. ManU if they don't retain DeGea.
Post by: Dave on January 26, 2023, 11:38:07 AM
Named 20th in the World's Top 100 Male Players in the Guradian:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/jan/24/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2022 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/jan/24/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2022)
I do fear we will lose him in the summer with a silly bid.
Bayern are an obvious one. ManU if they don't retain DeGea.
Bayern won't be buying him - they've just signed Yann Sommer for £10m. No way they're spending six or seven times that on Emi.
As I see it, he either goes to Man Utd or he stays with us. There's no other realistic destination for him.
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2023, 11:40:53 AM
Named 20th in the World's Top 100 Male Players in the Guradian:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/jan/24/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2022 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/jan/24/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2022)
I do fear we will lose him in the summer with a silly bid.
Bayern are an obvious one. ManU if they don't retain DeGea.
Bayern won't be buying him - they've just signed Yann Sommer for £10m. No way they're spending six or seven times that on Emi.
As I see it, he either goes to Man Utd or he stays with us. There's no other realistic destination for him.
Well Spurs need a new keeper, and Chelsea aren't averse to slinging money around needlessly.
Post by: LukeJames on January 26, 2023, 11:49:12 AM
Named 20th in the World's Top 100 Male Players in the Guradian:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/jan/24/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2022 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/jan/24/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2022)
I do fear we will lose him in the summer with a silly bid.
Bayern are an obvious one. ManU if they don't retain DeGea.
Bayern won't be buying him - they've just signed Yann Sommer for £10m. No way they're spending six or seven times that on Emi.
As I see it, he either goes to Man Utd or he stays with us. There's no other realistic destination for him.
Well Spurs need a new keeper
£5m plus Michel Vorm it is then.
Post by: Dave on January 26, 2023, 11:51:46 AM
Named 20th in the World's Top 100 Male Players in the Guradian:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/jan/24/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2022 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/jan/24/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2022)
I do fear we will lose him in the summer with a silly bid.
Bayern are an obvious one. ManU if they don't retain DeGea.
Bayern won't be buying him - they've just signed Yann Sommer for £10m. No way they're spending six or seven times that on Emi.
As I see it, he either goes to Man Utd or he stays with us. There's no other realistic destination for him.
Well Spurs need a new keeper, and Chelsea aren't averse to slinging money around needlessly.
Don't see it with Spurs. They do need a new keeper, I just don't see them obliterating their transfer record to sign a thirty year old one, however great he is.
I guess Chelsea wouldn't be impossible, but if they decided they weren't happy with Mendy for some reason then I imagine Brighton would have more to worry about losing Sanchez than we would losing Emi. Then again, it's not like they're making much sense at the moment.
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2023, 12:00:55 PM
Don't see it with Spurs. They do need a new keeper, I just don't see them obliterating their transfer record to sign a thirty year old one, however great he is.
I guess Chelsea wouldn't be impossible, but if they decided they weren't happy with Mendy for some reason then I imagine Brighton would have more to worry about losing Sanchez than we would losing Emi. Then again, it's not like they're making much sense at the moment.
With Spurs a lot would depend on them getting into the top 4 or not, which second half of the season I think will come down to a two way fight betweenn them and Newcastle. If they finish 5th or lower then that would rule them out completely. If they do scrape 4th, well being in the Champions League might make them, and Emi, think about it.
Post by: paul_e on January 26, 2023, 12:02:03 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 26, 2023, 12:04:21 PM
There's no chance Spurs would come close to the sort of fee we'd be demanding, Chelsea and Man U are the 2 that could be a problem but I can't really see it with either of them right now.
He was at Arsenal for 10 years too, I don't think Spurs would appeal much to him.
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2023, 12:05:25 PM
There's no chance Spurs would come close to the sort of fee we'd be demanding, Chelsea and Man U are the 2 that could be a problem but I can't really see it with either of them right now.
They've not long paid £60m for Richarlison, so you couldn't rule them out.
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2023, 12:06:13 PM
There's no chance Spurs would come close to the sort of fee we'd be demanding, Chelsea and Man U are the 2 that could be a problem but I can't really see it with either of them right now.
He was at Arsenal for 10 years too, I don't think Spurs would appeal much to him.
He's doesn't appear to have retained much affection for them though.
Post by: paul_e on January 26, 2023, 12:12:43 PM
There's no chance Spurs would come close to the sort of fee we'd be demanding, Chelsea and Man U are the 2 that could be a problem but I can't really see it with either of them right now.
They've not long paid £60m for Richarlison, so you couldn't rule them out.
That's a big part of why I can't see it happening. They threw out that much money on a guy who's been pretty disappointing, Levy won't have slept well for weeks after that.
Post by: Mister E on January 26, 2023, 12:15:29 PM
Post by: Dave on January 26, 2023, 12:22:00 PM
There's no chance Spurs would come close to the sort of fee we'd be demanding, Chelsea and Man U are the 2 that could be a problem but I can't really see it with either of them right now.
They've not long paid £60m for Richarlison, so you couldn't rule them out.
That's a big part of why I can't see it happening. They threw out that much money on a guy who's been pretty disappointing, Levy won't have slept well for weeks after that.
Another thing for Spurs to be thinking of when decided where to throw their money this summer - with Kane only having a year left on his contract and being pretty clear about wanting to leave last summer, they might want to wonder how they're replacing that thirty or so goals before chucking silly money at a new goalkeeper.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 26, 2023, 08:10:57 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 26, 2023, 08:16:23 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 26, 2023, 08:37:49 PM
Named 20th in the World's Top 100 Male Players in the Guradian:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/jan/24/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2022 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/jan/24/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2022)
I do fear we will lose him in the summer with a silly bid.
Bayern are an obvious one. ManU if they don't retain DeGea.
De Gea is offering to reduce his wages - from what I’ve read - so I’d think that will sort itself out.
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 26, 2023, 08:45:11 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 26, 2023, 08:58:07 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 26, 2023, 09:00:41 PM
Post by: Dave on January 26, 2023, 09:38:51 PM
I think we call know he is going to move on probably at the end of the season, his agent is looking for a big pay day. Agents rule football now, lets just make sure we screw whatever club comes in for him.
I hate to labour the point, but which club do you expect to come in for him?
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 26, 2023, 09:43:30 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 26, 2023, 11:36:41 PM
I see where you are coming from Dave but in England Manure and Chelsea would both be interested, most clubs in Spain and don't think for one minute other European top dogs will be sniffing about. Its perhaps not Emi who is running away but stary eyed agent who is cultivating a move.
What evidence is there of that?
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 27, 2023, 01:05:17 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 27, 2023, 08:17:44 AM
I don’t see Arse Citeh Liverpool Chelsea Newcastle in the market but that does open up the possibility of Spurs or Manure looking for an upgrade.
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Post by: Mouse Potato on January 27, 2023, 09:05:15 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 27, 2023, 09:18:25 AM
A lot of clubs would want him but I just don't see any club stumping up what we'd want for him (contract clauses permitting). I can't see it at all. I also genuinely believe he loves us, which is admittedly a little naive of me but I don't fool myself often with shit like that.
He truly does exude an air of having the ****ing time of his life since he's been with us, like no clue at all of him being even slightly unhappy in his work. There was even that bollocks about him not getting on with Emery. He wouldn't be wearing the armband if that were so. The bloke bleeds claret and blue.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 27, 2023, 09:35:32 AM
I think we call know he is going to move on probably at the end of the season, his agent is looking for a big pay day.
Based on what?
Post by: rob_bridge on January 27, 2023, 02:36:29 PM
I think we call know he is going to move on probably at the end of the season, his agent is looking for a big pay day.
Based on what?
To be fair his agent would get a big fee if he signs a new improved deal at Vila which must be a consideration.
That said only a few could afford him and a subset of those may want or feel they need him - Barca, ManU , Chelsea(for the hell of it) and Bayern
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 27, 2023, 03:54:08 PM
Fuck me that is the best part of a shootout
Miserable wankers - things they will do to stop our Emi
Post by: Risso on January 27, 2023, 04:41:39 PM
I read tat Fifa are looking to change the rules for penalties so keepers cannot psych the takers ou.
Fuck me that is the best part of a shootout
Miserable wankers - things they will do to stop our Emi
How on earth could they enforce that, and what would it involve? A mean stare, a few words shouted at the kicker, what?
Post by: Martin Carruthers on January 27, 2023, 04:44:11 PM
Post by: Olof's Beard on January 27, 2023, 04:51:37 PM
I read tat Fifa are looking to change the rules for penalties so keepers cannot psych the takers ou.
Fuck me that is the best part of a shootout
Miserable wankers - things they will do to stop our Emi
How on earth could they enforce that, and what would it involve? A mean stare, a few words shouted at the kicker, what?
I'd imagine the keeper will have to go straight to his line and won't be allowed to move off it until the kicker is set. And won't be allowed to give the kicker a Chinese Burn/blow raspberries/slag off his Mom. Or open his gob at all until the kick is taken most probably!
Post by: olaftab on January 27, 2023, 05:29:10 PM
Post by: bob on January 27, 2023, 06:47:52 PM
I read tat Fifa are looking to change the rules for penalties so keepers cannot psych the takers ou.
Fuck me that is the best part of a shootout
Miserable wankers - things they will do to stop our Emi
How on earth could they enforce that, and what would it involve? A mean stare, a few words shouted at the kicker, what?
You never know with FIFA
Post by: bob on January 27, 2023, 06:49:23 PM
Hope they stop the silly fractured run up as well then.
See?
I'm not a fan of the short run up either. Although Giuseppe Signiori was good at it back in the channel 4 days.
Post by: aldridgeboy on January 27, 2023, 06:49:48 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on January 28, 2023, 07:11:54 PM
Post by: Pat McMahon on January 28, 2023, 11:42:51 PM
Hope they stop the silly fractured run up as well then.
See?
I'm not a fan of the short run up either. Although Giuseppe Signiori was good at it back in the channel 4 days.
That bastard John Aldridge did it against us in the league cup semi v Oxford in 1986. The ref did nothing.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 28, 2023, 11:53:45 PM
Hope they stop the silly fractured run up as well then.
See?
I'm not a fan of the short run up either. Although Giuseppe Signiori was good at it back in the channel 4 days.
That bastard John Aldridge did it against us in the league cup semi v Oxford in 1986. The ref did nothing.
I have got on this soap box before, but Aldridge really invented that cheating penalty run up. I hate it.
Jorginho can get in the fucking sea as well.
Post by: Pat McMahon on January 28, 2023, 11:56:55 PM
Hope they stop the silly fractured run up as well then.
See?
I'm not a fan of the short run up either. Although Giuseppe Signiori was good at it back in the channel 4 days.
That bastard John Aldridge did it against us in the league cup semi v Oxford in 1986. The ref did nothing.
I have got on this soap box before, but Aldridge really invented that cheating penalty run up. I hate it.
Jorginho can get in the fucking sea as well.
We share the same middle aged bitterness Paulie!
Post by: eamonn on January 30, 2023, 07:56:27 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/64389898
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 30, 2023, 09:12:30 PM
Emi's gonna have to up his shithousery game if this goalie in the Netherlands is anything to go by:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/64389898
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 30, 2023, 09:14:25 PM
If you are attacking you would want his bollocks cut off
Such a great game is football
Post by: Risso on January 30, 2023, 11:32:20 PM
Emi's gonna have to up his shithousery game if this goalie in the Netherlands is anything to go by:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/64389898
That'd ace, both the tackle and the throwing the ball on to the pitch.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2023, 11:48:28 PM
Emi's gonna have to up his shithousery game if this goalie in the Netherlands is anything to go by:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/64389898
That'd ace, both the tackle and the throwing the ball on to the pitch.
It was brilliant.
I remember that match against Hull where Sidwell (warming up, of course, as it wasn't 75 minutes in yet) quickly threw a ball that went into touch to Gabby to take a quick throw for Milner to lob their keeper.
I had my Hull supporting brother in law sat next to me in the UT that day, and he turned to me and had one of those facial expressions you only really see from displeased football supporters.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 31, 2023, 11:10:36 AM
Such behaviour is clearly not in touch with the spirit of the game and thats clear with the reagrd to the IFAB clamping down and BANNING such antics.
The actual rules of the game are being amended to stop it.
So no one can now argue its fine!
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2023, 11:13:02 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 31, 2023, 12:29:03 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on January 31, 2023, 12:40:43 PM
It's fine.
Post by: Bad English on January 31, 2023, 12:41:19 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2023, 12:43:06 PM
As much as I love Emi as our and Argentina goalkeeper and leader I think its only a good thing for football that antics at shootouts will be scrutineered and that such non sporting behaviour stopped.
Such behaviour is clearly not in touch with the spirit of the game and thats clear with the reagrd to the IFAB clamping down and BANNING such antics.
The actual rules of the game are being amended to stop it.
So no one can now argue its fine!
Good grief. Please stop.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 31, 2023, 02:17:51 PM
Yes thats exactly what those observing Martinez say when hes going all showman and gamesman.As much as I love Emi as our and Argentina goalkeeper and leader I think its only a good thing for football that antics at shootouts will be scrutineered and that such non sporting behaviour stopped.
Such behaviour is clearly not in touch with the spirit of the game and thats clear with the reagrd to the IFAB clamping down and BANNING such antics.
The actual rules of the game are being amended to stop it.
So no one can now argue its fine!
Good grief. Please stop.
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 31, 2023, 02:25:37 PM
Just trying to play out of a snooker.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2023, 02:31:45 PM
Yes thats exactly what those observing Martinez say when hes going all showman and gamesman.As much as I love Emi as our and Argentina goalkeeper and leader I think its only a good thing for football that antics at shootouts will be scrutineered and that such non sporting behaviour stopped.
Such behaviour is clearly not in touch with the spirit of the game and thats clear with the reagrd to the IFAB clamping down and BANNING such antics.
The actual rules of the game are being amended to stop it.
So no one can now argue its fine!
Good grief. Please stop.
Yeh it’s always you and a bunch of irrelevant talking heads in the media. Most Villa fans don’t give a shit or they don’t obsess over it like you do. And I bet every Argentine football fan loves him way more than we do.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 01, 2023, 04:45:54 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1620818269459582976?s=46&t=oi8ra36PlX0NAqB_P0wrrg
Post by: Dave on February 01, 2023, 05:25:51 PM
Post by: Risso on February 01, 2023, 05:37:16 PM
Looks like they're all having a lovely old time.
Of course they are, they've just earned £20K for a few hours of training! ;)
Post by: OCD on February 01, 2023, 05:39:22 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2023, 05:40:37 PM
Though unofficially, I believe he'll be made captain for the remainder of the season because Emery considers McGinn not to be among his starting eleven as he said today
Martinez is the best choice, and I advocated for that during the summer, but Gerrard made the wrong decision by not selecting a World Cup champion, despite the fact that both he and Young possess the qualities of a captain.
They were all vice, as was Carlos (instead of Mings)
Anyway, I'm hoping Martinez will deliver another masterclass tomorrow without as many needless antics
Vamos Martinez!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 03, 2023, 05:42:36 PM
Post by: Risso on February 04, 2023, 09:39:37 AM
Martinez is the rightful captain against Leicester and we have to believes there is a chance for a clean sheet.
Though unofficially, I believe he'll be made captain for the remainder of the season because Emery considers McGinn not to be among his starting eleven as he said today
Martinez is the best choice, and I advocated for that during the summer, but Gerrard made the wrong decision by not selecting a World Cup champion, despite the fact that both he and Young possess the qualities of a captain.
They were all vice, as was Carlos (instead of Mings)
Anyway, I'm hoping Martinez will deliver another masterclass tomorrow without as many needless antics
Vamos Martinez!
I think we have the same opinion on McGinn mate, and of the current first team I think he's probably the least suited to the style of football Emery wants to play long term. But his comments about McGinn being out of the first 11 today were really only to do with the fact that McGinn has come back earlier than expected from an injury and thus isn't completely match fit. I don't think they were intended to convey anything deeper than that. Emery doesn't strike me as the sort of person to make negative comments about players in the press, that was more Gerrard's vibe.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 04, 2023, 10:27:20 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 04, 2023, 11:45:49 AM
Martinez is the rightful captain against Leicester and we have to believes there is a chance for a clean sheet.
Though unofficially, I believe he'll be made captain for the remainder of the season because Emery considers McGinn not to be among his starting eleven as he said today
Martinez is the best choice, and I advocated for that during the summer, but Gerrard made the wrong decision by not selecting a World Cup champion, despite the fact that both he and Young possess the qualities of a captain.
They were all vice, as was Carlos (instead of Mings)
Anyway, I'm hoping Martinez will deliver another masterclass tomorrow without as many needless antics
Vamos Martinez!
I think we have the same opinion on McGinn mate, and of the current first team I think he's probably the least suited to the style of football Emery wants to play long term. But his comments about McGinn being out of the first 11 today were really only to do with the fact that McGinn has come back earlier than expected from an injury and thus isn't completely match fit. I don't think they were intended to convey anything deeper than that. Emery doesn't strike me as the sort of person to make negative comments about players in the press, that was more Gerrard's vibe.
Agree I also don't think he makes negative comments. Though I saw it as a statement of honesty regards who should be selected.
Post by: Risso on February 04, 2023, 02:41:51 PM
Though I saw it as a statement of honesty regards who should be selected.
Yes, because he's just back from an injury.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on February 04, 2023, 07:44:04 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 04, 2023, 07:45:43 PM
His faffing around at the back really doesn’t do us any favours.
First goal was his fault, for me.
Post by: Bad English on February 04, 2023, 07:50:47 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 04, 2023, 08:11:40 PM
I've always said with the ball at his feet and to build up play Martinez cannot do that as effectively as Emery would like.
For all his quality Martinez will have to really step up and learn to adapt or the parting of the ways will occur especially if there is continuing failure to be able to play the ball out. We may not like this but it's the truth of Emery style and belief on how he wants to play football.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on February 06, 2023, 04:08:01 PM
His faffing around at the back really doesn’t do us any favours.
First goal was his fault, for me.
and me.He can see the whole pitch with the ball at his feet. Playing that pass was criminal
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 06, 2023, 05:32:54 PM
Emery is working out which of his players can play in this system and which cannot.
I've always said with the ball at his feet and to build up play Martinez cannot do that as effectively as Emery would like.
For all his quality Martinez will have to really step up and learn to adapt or the parting of the ways will occur especially if there is continuing failure to be able to play the ball out. We may not like this but it's the truth of Emery style and belief on how he wants to play football.
A parting of the ways of the best keeper in the world? Who is going to come to us realistically that is better at this passing you want to see - Donna Summer? Allison? The bloke with the tattoo on his neck?
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 06, 2023, 05:48:25 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 06, 2023, 10:48:54 PM
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2023, 12:14:40 AM
There's an after-match interview with him on the OS in which he looks properly gutted.
Good. I hope that pass to Kamara is keeping him awake at nights!
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 09, 2023, 09:33:52 AM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2023/02/08/aston-villas-emi-martinez-a-finalist-for-fifa-best-goalkeeper-award/
Post by: Axl Rose on February 09, 2023, 10:29:40 AM
Emi Martinez shortlisted as goalkeeper category at the Fifa Best Awards.
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2023/02/08/aston-villas-emi-martinez-a-finalist-for-fifa-best-goalkeeper-award/
No way will be win. He can't dribble as well as Messi. Sell him I say.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 10, 2023, 08:36:37 PM
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1624142740039602189
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 10, 2023, 08:37:26 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 10, 2023, 08:39:33 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 10, 2023, 08:49:58 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 10, 2023, 08:54:59 PM
I'd much rather have the player than the money.
oh i know , just trying to prepare myself for positivity 😳
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 10, 2023, 08:57:24 PM
That's not great, is it?
Yep not surprising but not good.
Post by: Ian. on February 10, 2023, 09:02:36 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 10, 2023, 09:03:14 PM
https://twitter.com/FlorentTorchut/status/1624117358334816257
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 10, 2023, 09:37:46 PM
Post by: Billy Walker on February 10, 2023, 10:15:59 PM
There's plenty of thinking to be done for all parties over the the next few months - as long as Villa come out of it all positively, I'm happy.
Post by: KevinGage on February 10, 2023, 10:20:09 PM
If that's the vibe at the club (to chime with the views of some of our fanbase) I'd be thinking of an exit strategy as well.
Post by: brontebilly on February 10, 2023, 10:21:55 PM
Is that the first signs of a summer move? If so there can’t be too many teams who will be able to afford him?
He's miles better than the current keepers at Man United, Chelsea and Spurs for starters - current or likely CL teams. Affordability doesn't seem a problem for the first two. Of course we would all want him to stay but we have to be realistic too..After the WC his profile has never been higher.
Post by: Villan82 on February 10, 2023, 10:31:51 PM
1. Cheating clubs like Man City who fiddle the books and buy success.
2. Players who have no loyalty to the clubs that make them superstars. Since 1998 we'd have won trophies if a few of the players we actually made proper stars of had shown us some damn loyalty and given us a couple of extra seasons.
Post by: KevinGage on February 10, 2023, 10:45:41 PM
This isn't a Paul McGrath or Stewart Downing scenario where he arrives with question marks over his fitness or a flat out crocked and we rehabilitate him.
Emi had just broken into the Arsenal first team and had won the FA Cup when we moved for him. He might not have been a guaranteed starter there, but there's every chance he could've made the number 1 position his own.
We sold the club to him on the basis of aiming for Europe (which is what he said shortly after joining). Nearly three years on we're not a whole pile closer to achieving that.
He didn't grow up as a fan of the club (not that that's stopped other herbets who think the grass is greener) so unless we're showing genuine signs of kicking on, we will get this shit.
For all that, I prefer to read it as he believes he's good enough to play CL now (and win it) rather than he's looking to move ASAP. He won't have made the progress he has since 2020 if he didn't back himself.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 10, 2023, 10:53:21 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 10, 2023, 10:56:58 PM
The quotes are from a cover piece with France Football, out tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/FlorentTorchut/status/1624117358334816257
Wonder if a Villa badge has ever been on the front of that magazine before
Post by: brontebilly on February 10, 2023, 11:01:27 PM
2. Players who have no loyalty to the clubs that make them superstars. Since 1998 we'd have won trophies if a few of the players we actually made proper stars of had shown us some damn loyalty and given us a couple of extra seasons.
In it for the money, same as most other professionals really. As long as they continue to give their all when at the club and not sulk if their moves don't come off (yes, Grealish, Jack), then I don't think we can complain that much.
Not that he's a superstar but I'd give Luiz a lot of credit for not sulking after his move to Arsenal fell through last summer. His performances have improved a lot since, despite Arsenal challenging strongly for the league during that time and since.
We have a huge summer ahead to show our ambition as a club under Emery to prospective new signings and also keeping the likes of Martinez, Kamara and Luiz sweet. I think we will struggle to keep Martinez in all honesty. The keeper at our feeder club is refusing to sign a new deal....
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 10, 2023, 11:48:04 PM
2. Players who have no loyalty to the clubs that make them superstars. Since 1998 we'd have won trophies if a few of the players we actually made proper stars of had shown us some damn loyalty and given us a couple of extra seasons.
In it for the money, same as most other professionals really. As long as they continue to give their all when at the club and not sulk if their moves don't come off (yes, Grealish, Jack), then I don't think we can complain that much.
Not that he's a superstar but I'd give Luiz a lot of credit for not sulking after his move to Arsenal fell through last summer. His performances have improved a lot since, despite Arsenal challenging strongly for the league during that time and since.
We have a huge summer ahead to show our ambition as a club under Emery to prospective new signings and also keeping the likes of Martinez, Kamara and Luiz sweet. I think we will struggle to keep Martinez in all honesty. The keeper at our feeder club is refusing to sign a new deal....
Who’s that then?
Post by: Beard82 on February 10, 2023, 11:50:44 PM
Hopefully now we’re in the right path - but it’s probably too little too late for a World Cup winning Goalkeeper.
I really hope I’m wrong - and there is still a long way to go this season
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 11, 2023, 12:39:47 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 11, 2023, 12:42:43 AM
Hopefully we are working behind the scenes and will have some deals done early in the summer for top players to prove we are progressing. Do it too late in the window and he might start thinking 'fuck it'. You can't blame him really, if I was one of the best keepers in the world then I would want to be in the champions league. If you read what he says in full about it then it comes across as understandable. He's not being a dick about it, he's just being honest.
Agree with all this.
Post by: eamonn on February 11, 2023, 03:16:55 AM
Post by: BC Villain on February 11, 2023, 04:10:29 AM
This is, um, ambiguous.
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1624142740039602189
Roughly translated, he wants out
Post by: Rory on February 11, 2023, 05:29:50 AM
Assuming he wants to go, can't say fairer than that for the best 'keeper in the world.
Post by: Rigadon on February 11, 2023, 05:41:06 AM
I'd much rather he stayed because he's a good goalkeeper and him staying would probably make signing other good players a bit easier, but if he does leave in the summer, so be it.
I also do wonder what will happen with transfers fees with this Man City stuff. If they are found guilty of financial doping, which seems highly likely, will fees for players become smaller? If clubs can no longer splurge £100m on a player because FFP is actually being enforced, that will obviously have a knock on effect all down the line. If fees decrease, it will make him leaving more likely.
Post by: olaftab on February 11, 2023, 06:34:32 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on February 11, 2023, 06:43:31 AM
Not the best keeper in the world, not the best ever at Villa. I always thought he will go and it’s fine if he does. £60/70M should be good.
Feel very much the same, mate.
Post by: LeonW on February 11, 2023, 06:51:33 AM
Not the best keeper in the world, not the best ever at Villa. I always thought he will go and it’s fine if he does. £60/70M should be good.
I’d actually argue he’s close to being the best keeper in the world right now. But sure, sell him and see how we go about replacing him. Should be easy, right?
Post by: FatSam on February 11, 2023, 07:05:12 AM
Maybe when we won the European Cup?The quotes are from a cover piece with France Football, out tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/FlorentTorchut/status/1624117358334816257
Wonder if a Villa badge has ever been on the front of that magazine before
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 11, 2023, 07:23:18 AM
Not the best keeper in the world, not the best ever at Villa. I always thought he will go and it’s fine if he does. £60/70M should be good.
I’m not really sure it’s “fine” when you sell your best players.
Post by: LukeJames on February 11, 2023, 07:32:36 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on February 11, 2023, 07:52:54 AM
Can't say I'm surprised really. He's probably the highest profile GK in the world right now and we havent exactly shown any ambition in the transfer market to convince him he can achieve things here.
This. Our January ambition was rubbish.
Post by: Risso on February 11, 2023, 07:54:36 AM
Post by: Clampy on February 11, 2023, 07:55:22 AM
The good thing is we showed him in January we are full of ambition…
Thats just bitter nonsense really isn't it? It's pretty obvious that Emery was satisfied with what he had in January, he's said as much himself. I think Martinez would have most likely said the same thing in that interview however active we had been in January.
Post by: Risso on February 11, 2023, 08:00:31 AM
The good thing is we showed him in January we are full of ambition…
Thats just bitter nonsense really isn't it? It's pretty obvious that Emery was satisfied with what he had in January, he's said as much himself. I think Martinez would have most likely said the same thing in that interview however active we had been in January.
So you’re imagining what Martinez might have said and accused another poster of nonsense on the back of it? Despite Martinez literally just having said the exact opposite? OK then…
Post by: Clampy on February 11, 2023, 08:08:33 AM
Post by: Risso on February 11, 2023, 08:11:49 AM
Post by: Clampy on February 11, 2023, 08:15:24 AM
Post by: Goldenballs on February 11, 2023, 08:15:28 AM
Pissing away the cups was a great idea.
Post by: Risso on February 11, 2023, 08:17:45 AM
Martínez: “But it’s complicated.. we were eliminated from the FA Cup in January. You should never lose hope. We’ll see what happens. I have the feeling that today I have a level to play the Champions League & try to win it..”
Pissing away the cups was a great idea.
Yep, that still rankles. Playing that no hoper Olsen was madness.
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 11, 2023, 08:20:17 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on February 11, 2023, 08:21:17 AM
Post by: Clampy on February 11, 2023, 08:25:08 AM
Emery might have been happy with his lot, although I have my doubts after he'd spoken of the need for a winger so much. But he's just left a smaller club in Spain to come here, so is on the up. Martinez has just won the World Cup, and needs to see that the club's ambitions match his own, which they very clearly don't.
Regarding the winger he was after, I'd guess that who he wanted wasn't available so he looked at how many games we had left and decided to leave it until the summer and brought Bert back in for now. I think that's sensible if that was the case.
Post by: john e on February 11, 2023, 08:32:59 AM
who’d have thought
Post by: Beard82 on February 11, 2023, 08:39:17 AM
I think the issue is we have stagnated since Joe left. No one takes us as seriously like they suddenly took Newcastle. We haven’t done our talking on the pitch. Or off it to be honest. We seem to have tried to take the cheap option too often and it hasn’t worked. I think they thought that SG was an elite manager in making so a cheat code to get there while raising the profile.
Our net spend since Joe left has to be towards the bottom end of the spectrum, and we’re waiting for good value as well as good players.
I’m not saying any individual decision was wrong (apart from SG which was clearly a stupid idea) but as a body of work we don’t have any tangible progress to show - apart from now having a top manager
Hopefully we’re on the right track with Nas and Emery seemingly to be running the show - but I think it all comes too late for Emi
Post by: Risso on February 11, 2023, 08:51:45 AM
Hopefully we’re on the right track with Nas and Emery seemingly to be running the show - but I think it all comes too late for Emi
They're apparently the 4th or 5th richest owners in the Premier League, but we really don't go at it any differently to anybody else in the bottom half. They're solid and dependable, but I don't think they're ever going to push the boat out for a proper crack at the top 6. This January was partly a sign of that.
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 11, 2023, 08:57:56 AM
Emery might have been happy with his lot, although I have my doubts after he'd spoken of the need for a winger so much. But he's just left a smaller club in Spain to come here, so is on the up. Martinez has just won the World Cup, and needs to see that the club's ambitions match his own, which they very clearly don't.
Regarding the winger he was after, I'd guess that who he wanted wasn't available so he looked at how many games we had left and decided to leave it until the summer and brought Bert back in for now. I think that's sensible if that was the case.
What happens if they aren't available in the summer?
Post by: Clampy on February 11, 2023, 08:59:33 AM
Hopefully we’re on the right track with Nas and Emery seemingly to be running the show - but I think it all comes too late for Emi
They're apparently the 4th or 5th richest owners in the Premier League, but we really don't go at it any differently to anybody else in the bottom half. They're solid and dependable, but I don't think they're ever going to push the boat out for a proper crack at the top 6. This January was partly a sign of that.
You keep mentioning January and I don't get it. It just seems like a silly stick to beat the club with. It was only Emery's first transfer window and it sounds like it'll be who he thinks he needs rather than who the club wants from now on (Duran Duran aside).
Post by: Clampy on February 11, 2023, 09:02:49 AM
Emery might have been happy with his lot, although I have my doubts after he'd spoken of the need for a winger so much. But he's just left a smaller club in Spain to come here, so is on the up. Martinez has just won the World Cup, and needs to see that the club's ambitions match his own, which they very clearly don't.
Regarding the winger he was after, I'd guess that who he wanted wasn't available so he looked at how many games we had left and decided to leave it until the summer and brought Bert back in for now. I think that's sensible if that was the case.
What happens if they aren't available in the summer?
They might not be I suppose although it's possible they may have been given an indication by the selling club that they may be willing to let him go in the summer. Who knows? It doesn't necessarily mean we've stopped being ambitious like one or two are suggesting.
Post by: Risso on February 11, 2023, 09:05:31 AM
You keep mentioning January and I don't get it. It just seems like a silly stick to beat the club with. It was only Emery's first transfer window and it sounds like it'll be who he thinks he needs rather than who the club wants from now on (Duran Duran aside).
You have to try to improve all the time. We didn't show any ambition, and I don't buy the line "there wasn't anybody available." It might have only been one game but that Brazilian kid Leicester had, showed more in one game than Bailey has since he's been here. People have been saying we need to show ambition to be able to keep players like Martinez and Kamara, and now less than two weeks after a truly dismal January window, Martinez has already strongly hinted he wants to leave.
I've said it before, but I strongly believe that we won't spend big in the summer, and we'll finish 10th or lower next season. I really hope you're dragging this post up to say "ner ner" at the end of next season.
Post by: Goldenballs on February 11, 2023, 09:07:11 AM
It will be so hard to replace him without having our pants pulled down, it's hard to go out and buy a new no 1 without the world knowing Emi would be on his way out. Hopefully we go big in the summer and get at least another season out of him to prove we mean business.
Post by: Beard82 on February 11, 2023, 09:07:25 AM
I think it’s because there seemed like a really good opportunity to push for Europe and we have a weaker squad then when we went in. We play 2 upfront and only have an untested guy on the bench. Clearing the decks might have been the right thing to do in the long term but from a purely numerical basis we’re taking a big risk. It will also be much harder to convince people to by into the project if we finish say 12 when 8 might have been possible.
Hopefully we’re on the right track with Nas and Emery seemingly to be running the show - but I think it all comes too late for Emi
They're apparently the 4th or 5th richest owners in the Premier League, but we really don't go at it any differently to anybody else in the bottom half. They're solid and dependable, but I don't think they're ever going to push the boat out for a proper crack at the top 6. This January was partly a sign of that.
You keep mentioning January and I don't get it. It just seems like a silly stick to beat the club with. It was only Emery's first transfer window and it sounds like it'll be who he thinks he needs rather than who the club wants from now on (Duran Duran aside).
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 11, 2023, 09:08:08 AM
Emery might have been happy with his lot, although I have my doubts after he'd spoken of the need for a winger so much. But he's just left a smaller club in Spain to come here, so is on the up. Martinez has just won the World Cup, and needs to see that the club's ambitions match his own, which they very clearly don't.
Regarding the winger he was after, I'd guess that who he wanted wasn't available so he looked at how many games we had left and decided to leave it until the summer and brought Bert back in for now. I think that's sensible if that was the case.
What happens if they aren't available in the summer?
They might not be I suppose although it's possible they may have been given an indication by the selling club that they may be willing to let him go in the summer. Who knows? It doesn't necessarily mean we've stopped being ambitious like one or two are suggesting.
To be honest, it looks just that. In fact, and I know I've said this before, since we got promoted we've rarely looked like we have any ambition higher than making up the numbers.
Post by: Clampy on February 11, 2023, 09:09:49 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 11, 2023, 09:13:42 AM
Post by: Clampy on February 11, 2023, 09:13:52 AM
Emery might have been happy with his lot, although I have my doubts after he'd spoken of the need for a winger so much. But he's just left a smaller club in Spain to come here, so is on the up. Martinez has just won the World Cup, and needs to see that the club's ambitions match his own, which they very clearly don't.
Regarding the winger he was after, I'd guess that who he wanted wasn't available so he looked at how many games we had left and decided to leave it until the summer and brought Bert back in for now. I think that's sensible if that was the case.
What happens if they aren't available in the summer?
They might not be I suppose although it's possible they may have been given an indication by the selling club that they may be willing to let him go in the summer. Who knows? It doesn't necessarily mean we've stopped being ambitious like one or two are suggesting.
To be honest, it looks just that. In fact, and I know I've said this before, since we got promoted we've rarely looked like we have any ambition higher than making up the numbers.
Emery coming in is a positive move though. They didn't hang about after that Fulham game and they did alledgelly speak to Pochetinno. Let's just see what transpires in the summer. Judging by how many he has already shifted out, it could be a busy one.
Post by: LukeJames on February 11, 2023, 09:14:51 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 11, 2023, 09:16:04 AM
Post by: Clampy on February 11, 2023, 09:19:36 AM
I keep bringing it up because it concerns me. We had an opportunity and didn't take it.
Not a lot gets done in January anyway. It's only Chelsea who went berserk and Forest signed a few more to add to the 56 they bought in the summer, although Arsenal did sign Trossard. I'm sure there are more I've missed though.
Post by: Beard82 on February 11, 2023, 09:20:11 AM
Then since Joe left I think they don’t know what to do. Not saying that is because Joe left specifically - I’m hoping it’s because they haven’t really trusted any of the managers until now. I’m hoping this summer I’ll be pleasantly surprised - and unai must have had assurances of some thought.
We seem to have lacked any clear strategy and hopeful Unai will help to change that
Post by: Clampy on February 11, 2023, 09:21:28 AM
our last 6 transfers have been Olsen, Augustinnson, Dendoncker, Bednarek, Moreno and Duran. Those are not signings to push us to the Top 10, let alone the top 6.
Why didn't you make it the last 8 or 9 signings and include Kamara and Carlos? Could have been a little more transparent.
Post by: LukeJames on February 11, 2023, 09:27:30 AM
our last 6 transfers have been Olsen, Augustinnson, Dendoncker, Bednarek, Moreno and Duran. Those are not signings to push us to the Top 10, let alone the top 6.
Why didn't you make it the last 8 or 9 signings and include Kamara and Carlos? Could have been a little more transparent.
Kamara and Carlos were good signings but then when we needed a good middle and end to the Summer window we signed four squad fillers, and as you already said yourself a few posts back "whats the point in just buying anybody"?
Post by: Clampy on February 11, 2023, 09:33:00 AM
Post by: SamTheMouse on February 11, 2023, 09:39:46 AM
And if he goes, it will influence the thinking of other players. If we really are ambitious, we have to show our current players and potential signings.
Recruiting Emery was a good first step, but we needed to take the second step in this window, because the clubs between us and the European spots are there for the taking right now, and next season they most likely won't be.
Post by: Beard82 on February 11, 2023, 09:47:26 AM
Bailey - verdict still out on
Ings - sold
Phil - good initially but struggled after first 8 games
Digne - appears to have been replaced
Young - 37 but has been excellent
Olsen - knocked us out of 2 cups
Kamara - amazing
Carlos - only played 2 games so can’t judge other than on reputation he seems a good signing
Bednerk - making up numbers
Dednocker - seems ok - but making up the numbers mainly apparently on high wages
Auggessessstonnnn - awful
Duran - one for the future
Manaro - looks ok too early to say
The only thing worse than that list is my spelling. If we’re going to improve we really need to get better in the transfer market. I don’t know who has a say in signing these players - but it has been a really poor showing
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 11, 2023, 09:50:39 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 11, 2023, 09:51:18 AM
It comes down to him being ambitious and our ability to persuade him to stay is going to be easier the higher up the table we finish.
If we wind up 12th or thereabouts that’s not going to convince the fans we’re ambitious, let alone players we’d be asking to stake their careers on it.
That is why the meek attitude this January is important.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 11, 2023, 09:54:31 AM
Since Joe left we have signed
Bailey - verdict still out on
Ings - sold
Phil - good initially but struggled after first 8 games
Digne - appears to have been replaced
Young - 37 but has been excellent
Olsen - knocked us out of 2 cups
Kamara - amazing
Carlos - only played 2 games so can’t judge other than on reputation he seems a good signing
Bednerk - making up numbers
Dednocker - seems ok - but making up the numbers mainly apparently on high wages
Auggessessstonnnn - awful
Duran - one for the future
Manaro - looks ok too early to say
The only thing worse than that list is my spelling. If we’re going to improve we really need to get better in the transfer market. I don’t know who has a say in signing these players - but it has been a really poor showing
We need to spend more money on better players.
Our net spend each of the last three years has been around 40m.
Newcastle haven’t even needed to spend much of their owners insane wealth and they’ve shot past us while we’re convincing ourselves we’re ‘not ready’ or that the players we want are going to be magically available and much cheaper and easier to get in the summer.
Post by: Clampy on February 11, 2023, 09:59:54 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 11, 2023, 10:03:53 AM
Post by: Beard82 on February 11, 2023, 10:04:24 AM
Let's take Guendouzi for example. If you believe what you read, it seems we tried to get him in and for whatever reason, it didn't happen. Maybe in the summer there might be a shift and it happens. That's what I'm trying to get at, using him as an example.I think we understand the logic - and it not that it’s wrong pre say just 2 years without progress would do little to show Emi this is where he should be. A more aggressive window might have secured help us snatch a European place which might have convinced him.
Post by: Risso on February 11, 2023, 10:09:06 AM
Let's take Guendouzi for example. If you believe what you read, it seems we tried to get him in and for whatever reason, it didn't happen. Maybe in the summer there might be a shift and it happens. That's what I'm trying to get at, using him as an example.
No. We didn't even make an offer, and that's straight from his chairman's own mouth. We didn't even try, that's the whole point. If that's your example, you've just proved the exact opposite of it.
Post by: Clampy on February 11, 2023, 10:10:43 AM
Let's take Guendouzi for example. If you believe what you read, it seems we tried to get him in and for whatever reason, it didn't happen. Maybe in the summer there might be a shift and it happens. That's what I'm trying to get at, using him as an example.
No. We didn't even make an offer, and that's straight from his chairman's own mouth. We didn't even try, that's the whole point. If that's your example, you've just proved the exact opposite of it.
Like I said 'if you believe what you read'. I wasn't aware what their chairman said on the matter to be honest.
Post by: Mister E on February 11, 2023, 10:11:18 AM
I suspect we did try but our informal approaches were given a resounding "back off (till Summer)", so no formal offer was made.Let's take Guendouzi for example. If you believe what you read, it seems we tried to get him in and for whatever reason, it didn't happen. Maybe in the summer there might be a shift and it happens. That's what I'm trying to get at, using him as an example.No. We didn't even make an offer, and that's straight from his chairman's own mouth. We didn't even try, that's the whole point. If that's your example, you've just proved the exact opposite of it.
Post by: Risso on February 11, 2023, 10:13:09 AM
I suspect we did try but our informal approaches were given a resounding "back off (till Summer)", so no formal offer was made.Let's take Guendouzi for example. If you believe what you read, it seems we tried to get him in and for whatever reason, it didn't happen. Maybe in the summer there might be a shift and it happens. That's what I'm trying to get at, using him as an example.No. We didn't even make an offer, and that's straight from his chairman's own mouth. We didn't even try, that's the whole point. If that's your example, you've just proved the exact opposite of it.
That's not trying. Trying would be here "here's £60m of your foreign Euros". At least they'd have a decision to make then. We didn't bid for him this January, and I confidently predict we won't in the summer.
Post by: Mister E on February 11, 2023, 10:13:13 AM
Post by: Risso on February 11, 2023, 10:16:45 AM
In all of this debate about progress over the last 2 years, the single biggest constraint on progress was the appointment of the scouse fraud.
I'd argue it's the players and the whole recruitment process. Lose tomorrow and against Arsenal, and Emery's record in his first ten games is the same as Gerrard's first ten. I don't know how many times people need to see Watkins miss a sitter, or Mings/Konsa make a mistake until the penny drops that this is a mid table squad at best. It needed improving on, and we actually made it weaker in the short term. Look at Newcastle, Howe followed on from Bruce, probably the shittest and most dismal manager the Premier League has seen for a very long time.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 11, 2023, 10:17:26 AM
In all of this debate about progress over the last 2 years, the single biggest constraint on progress was the appointment of the scouse fraud.
Quite, and worth remembering, he didn't mysteriously rise to the top like Tory leaders used to, or get elected in some white smoke situation - he was chosen and appointed by the people running our club. They actually - and enough of us thought it was fucking nuts at the time - looked around and thought he was going to be the man to take us to the next level.
Remarkable levels of stupidity and another less-than-great mark on the record of our leadership.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 11, 2023, 10:19:01 AM
It needed improving on, and we actually made it weaker in the short term.
This is it, not improving it is one thing, making it WORSE is another.
And no amount of "yeah but Traore is back so that's a new signing" twisting in the wind is going to change that.
Post by: Clampy on February 11, 2023, 10:22:32 AM
In all of this debate about progress over the last 2 years, the single biggest constraint on progress was the appointment of the scouse fraud.
I'd argue it's the players and the whole recruitment process. Lose tomorrow and against Arsenal, and Emery's record in his first ten games is the same as Gerrard's first ten. I don't know how many times people need to see Watkins miss a sitter, or Mings/Konsa make a mistake until the penny drops that this is a mid table squad at best. It needed improving on, and we actually made it weaker in the short term. Look at Newcastle, Howe followed on from Bruce, probably the shittest and most dismal manager the Premier League has seen for a very long time.
On the other side of the coin, we have a manager who seems to know the kind of football he wants to play, we have at times played some very very good football, we've won our last three away games. Of course there are going to be bumps in the road, but hey if we lose tomorrow to one of the best teams in Europe and next week, its Gerrard like again.
Post by: Drummond on February 11, 2023, 10:25:25 AM
And we're back where we've been before - it's always the next window.
And this time we've a manager who will know what he's after. He'd been here for a few weeks before January.
I'd go as far as to say the club should have no excuses in the next window. None whatsoever.
Post by: brontebilly on February 11, 2023, 10:25:59 AM
In all of this debate about progress over the last 2 years, the single biggest constraint on progress was the appointment of the scouse fraud.
Yet the Scouse fraud was key in getting in some big name players. Getting in the right players that fit into the group is key not vanity signings like Ings and Coutinho.
Post by: Drummond on February 11, 2023, 10:26:36 AM
Post by: Drummond on February 11, 2023, 10:32:07 AM
In all of this debate about progress over the last 2 years, the single biggest constraint on progress was the appointment of the scouse fraud.
I'd argue it's the players and the whole recruitment process. Lose tomorrow and against Arsenal, and Emery's record in his first ten games is the same as Gerrard's first ten. I don't know how many times people need to see Watkins miss a sitter, or Mings/Konsa make a mistake until the penny drops that this is a mid table squad at best. It needed improving on, and we actually made it weaker in the short term. Look at Newcastle, Howe followed on from Bruce, probably the shittest and most dismal manager the Premier League has seen for a very long time.
Last season you criticised people for projecting a loss that we'd not had, yet you're now doing the same.
Gerrard started well, which shut a lot of us up, and he was given a chance. It didn't take long for that to unravel though. Do you think the same will happen with Emery? Because I don't believe it for a second. We look like we're trying to play football, and that we know how to do it.
Post by: KevinGage on February 11, 2023, 10:58:10 AM
Martínez: “But it’s complicated.. we were eliminated from the FA Cup in January. You should never lose hope. We’ll see what happens. I have the feeling that today I have a level to play the Champions League & try to win it..”
Pissing away the cups was a great idea.
He still seems bothered by our piss-weak attempts in both. Which is good. I'm not sure some of the others are.
Stoke away in the fourth round and would have been Brighton at home in the fifth. Not a walk in the park by any means, but doable compared to some of the draws we've had in recent years. Well doable for sides that don't piss the bed to a 4th Division mob at home, obv.
Post by: pablo_picasso on February 11, 2023, 11:01:24 AM
Post by: KevinGage on February 11, 2023, 11:07:07 AM
Recruiting Emery was a good first step, but we needed to take the second step in this window, because the clubs between us and the European spots are there for the taking right now, and next season they most likely won't be.
Yep. The idea that we'll just sit a play or two out and see how it all unfolds before acting is for the birds. It presupposes that the clubs above us, around us and lower will all be locked in neutral as well. Don't really see that being the case.
Post by: Beard82 on February 11, 2023, 11:12:47 AM
We need sustained development for a number of season and that involves properly backing Unai and getting our purchases right. I would argue that the last two managers weren’t really backed to the hilt - not saying they should have been - but this one does otherwise we might as well give up
Post by: Risso on February 11, 2023, 11:16:12 AM
Gerrard started well, which shut a lot of us up, and he was given a chance. It didn't take long for that to unravel though. Do you think the same will happen with Emery? Because I don't believe it for a second. We look like we're trying to play football, and that we know how to do it.
Emery is a great manager, potentially the best we've had in 20 years. But he's not a miracle worker, and even if he gets say 20-30% more out of the curent crop of players, that's still only really going to see us around the mid table places. Even with how good he is, he's bollocksed up both cup games horribly, and now he's giving it the old "our only remit is to stay up" nonsense, so he's got plenty to do yet to prove his mettle.
Post by: mrfuse on February 11, 2023, 11:18:27 AM
I suspect we did try but our informal approaches were given a resounding "back off (till Summer)", so no formal offer was made.Let's take Guendouzi for example. If you believe what you read, it seems we tried to get him in and for whatever reason, it didn't happen. Maybe in the summer there might be a shift and it happens. That's what I'm trying to get at, using him as an example.No. We didn't even make an offer, and that's straight from his chairman's own mouth. We didn't even try, that's the whole point. If that's your example, you've just proved the exact opposite of it.
That's not trying. Trying would be here "here's £60m of your foreign Euros". At least they'd have a decision to make then. We didn't bid for him this January, and I confidently predict we won't in the summer.
I'm going for something like we sounded out if it was worth trying but the odds are that it wasn't going to happen. Possibly the player didn't want to leave mid season and his family didn't want to be uprooted at short notice. A Big offer might have changed that but we are willing to wait until the summer to which is better for all concerned. I think we will make an offer in the summer, whether or not it happens im not sure. If Emery wants him we will do our best to make it happen.
Post by: Clampy on February 11, 2023, 11:26:00 AM
Post by: olaftab on February 11, 2023, 11:35:13 AM
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 11, 2023, 11:42:18 AM
Post by: olaftab on February 11, 2023, 11:43:23 AM
There's an awful lot of making stuff up going on here. People seem to have completely ignored the bit where he says he wants to win a trophy with the Villa.What do you expect him to say? Always comforting to pat the bull just before the bolt strikes.
Post by: brontebilly on February 11, 2023, 11:45:07 AM
As Risso has stated their Chairman said we didn't make an offer and we can pontificate all day around ifs and buts BUT we did not make an offer to tempt them to sell. That's the crux of it. Once again we are NOT striking whilst the iron is hot.
So we make an offer and it's rejected...what then? Isn't that what happened with Nico Williams anyway? The fact Emery was openly mentioning "Matteo" in a press conference would suggest our interest was and is genuine.
When Man United are only able to get a Burnley flop in on loan when they have no strikers it suggests the January market was very difficult.
If Martinez really wants to go in the summer, signing the likes of Williams and Guendouzi won't dissuade him anyway.
Post by: olaftab on February 11, 2023, 11:48:54 AM
Bottom line is no one is bigger than the club - if he wants to go let him.Oh yes keep repeating what we have been doing since 1990's and achieve fuck all of nothing.
Spurs didn't let Kane go Manu stopped de Gea when he wanted to join RM, Chelsea stopped Kepa from leaving, even Brighton stopped Caicedo.
Post by: ROBBO on February 11, 2023, 11:49:02 AM
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 11, 2023, 11:50:09 AM
There's an awful lot of making stuff up going on here. People seem to have completely ignored the bit where he says he wants to win a trophy with the Villa.What do you expect him to say? Always comforting to pat the bull just before the bolt strikes.
Martinez may have the best of intentions but is being fed by another greedy agent.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 11, 2023, 11:54:09 AM
Post by: olaftab on February 11, 2023, 11:59:44 AM
And if he has been told that we have enough now to stay up it could unravel very quickly, as it would be very demotivating for a top coach like him.
Gerrard started well, which shut a lot of us up, and he was given a chance. It didn't take long for that to unravel though. Do you think the same will happen with Emery? Because I don't believe it for a second. We look like we're trying to play football, and that we know how to do it.
Emery is a great manager, potentially the best we've had in 20 years. But he's not a miracle worker, and even if he gets say 20-30% more out of the curent crop of players, that's still only really going to see us around the mid table places. Even with how good he is, he's bollocksed up both cup games horribly, and now he's giving it the old "our only remit is to stay up" nonsense, so he's got plenty to do yet to prove his mettle.
Post by: olaftab on February 11, 2023, 12:01:30 PM
There is no doubt about that. Agent has probably told him that there is a queue of CL clubs waiting to snap him up.There's an awful lot of making stuff up going on here. People seem to have completely ignored the bit where he says he wants to win a trophy with the Villa.What do you expect him to say? Always comforting to pat the bull just before the bolt strikes.
Martinez may have the best of intentions but is being fed by another greedy agent.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 11, 2023, 12:09:06 PM
Of course you have to try and improve all the time but I don't see the point in just buying anybody. I get the feeling that's not how Emery would want it anyway. And like I said, I doubt very very much Martinez will choose whether to leave based on last month's transfer window, which you keep bringing up.
Thing is though you accused me of “bitter nonsense” when your retort is unsubstantiated conjecture. Maybe it wouldn’t have changed his mind, but had we shown we were ambitious in January (when we were 3 points off a European place) would it give a player more confidence in direction of travel? I suspect so. As for we’ll get our targets in the summer, maybe, or is that just optimistic nonsense?
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 11, 2023, 12:19:56 PM
Bottom line is no one is bigger than the club - if he wants to go let him.Oh yes keep repeating what we have been doing since 1990's and achieve fuck all of nothing.
Spurs didn't let Kane go Manu stopped de Gea when he wanted to join RM, Chelsea stopped Kepa from leaving, even Brighton stopped Caicedo.
We stopped Dougie. If the players really pushes it, and wants to disrupt they will always get their way, not say whether Emi will do this or not, time will tell on that.
Post by: olaftab on February 11, 2023, 12:19:57 PM
Post by: Clampy on February 11, 2023, 12:29:51 PM
But...but we will be the ONLY club looking for players in the summer...honest. Jan is difficult you can't get anyone in, that's why Chelsea 8, Forest 8, Wolves 6, Bournemouth 6 have only managed to get so few.
Forest, Wolves and Bournemouth all needed to. West Ham did to. Chelsea just bought a load of players most likely without consulting Potter (who they'll sack eventually anyway).
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 11, 2023, 12:35:45 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 11, 2023, 12:44:35 PM
"I'm still hungry, I want to win the Champions League. Obviously, I would like to do it with Aston Villa, but it will be difficult because the club is still in its growth phase.
"I won the most beautiful title there is with the national team and now I'm aiming for the biggest title. I would like to win a title with Aston Villa but it's complicated, they knocked us out of the FA Cup in January. You should never lose hope. We'll see what will happen. I have the feeling that today I have the level to play in the Champions League and try to win it."
"I thought about leaving football a few years ago. I thought that maybe it wasn't made for me, because it involved me a lot, I trained for hours, but I didn't play. I saw that it wasn't working. Then, four, five years ago, I started working with a psychologist, who helped me not to hit rock bottom. And then I got up. My son was born at this time and I decided not to go on loan anymore. From there, I exploded.
"I came close to playing in Ligue 1 several times when I was younger. PSG is a great club with great players. They aim to win the Champions League every year. Who wouldn't love to play there?! Leo and Kylian are cracks! Partners that any player dreams of having."
He's obviously mentioning PSG because he's talking to a French outlet although it is a little 'come and get me'. Overall it's all pretty reasonable for someone in his position.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 11, 2023, 12:47:44 PM
You could say we needed to, too - especially having packed off our top scorer.
Yes we clearly did.
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 11, 2023, 12:48:26 PM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on February 11, 2023, 12:48:54 PM
There's an awful lot of making stuff up going on here. People seem to have completely ignored the bit where he says he wants to win a trophy with the Villa.
C'mon, Drummond. You know perfectly well the implication is that at Villa he will not win trophies.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 11, 2023, 12:50:20 PM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on February 11, 2023, 12:51:19 PM
Recruiting Emery was a good first step, but we needed to take the second step in this window, because the clubs between us and the European spots are there for the taking right now, and next season they most likely won't be.
Yep. The idea that we'll just sit a play or two out and see how it all unfolds before acting is for the birds. It presupposes that the clubs above us, around us and lower will all be locked in neutral as well. Don't really see that being the case.
Yes. This nonsense about it not being important how we place in the league as long as we don't get relegated is very corrosive and not how you create a winning mentality.
Post by: olaftab on February 11, 2023, 12:56:54 PM
For those wondering what he actually said:Thanks for that. And yes a very reasonable and pragmatic from his point of view however there is clear indication for us that he will ask for a move come EOTS.
"I'm still hungry, I want to win the Champions League. Obviously, I would like to do it with Aston Villa, but it will be difficult because the club is still in its growth phase.
"I won the most beautiful title there is with the national team and now I'm aiming for the biggest title. I would like to win a title with Aston Villa but it's complicated, they knocked us out of the FA Cup in January. You should never lose hope. We'll see what will happen. I have the feeling that today I have the level to play in the Champions League and try to win it."
"I thought about leaving football a few years ago. I thought that maybe it wasn't made for me, because it involved me a lot, I trained for hours, but I didn't play. I saw that it wasn't working. Then, four, five years ago, I started working with a psychologist, who helped me not to hit rock bottom. And then I got up. My son was born at this time and I decided not to go on loan anymore. From there, I exploded.
"I came close to playing in Ligue 1 several times when I was younger. PSG is a great club with great players. They aim to win the Champions League every year. Who wouldn't love to play there?! Leo and Kylian are cracks! Partners that any player dreams of having."
He's obviously mentioning PSG because he's talking to a French outlet although it is a little 'come and get me'. Overall it's all pretty reasonable for someone in his position.
Post by: dave shelley on February 11, 2023, 01:01:43 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 11, 2023, 01:03:17 PM
Post by: Dave on February 11, 2023, 01:23:38 PM
As Risso has stated their Chairman said we didn't make an offer and we can pontificate all day around ifs and buts BUT we did not make an offer to tempt them to sell. That's the crux of it. Once again we are NOT striking whilst the iron is hot.
So we make an offer and it's rejected...what then? Isn't that what happened with Nico Williams anyway?
No. The (clearly bullshit, and not reported by anyone reputable) report said that we were willing to meet his release clause but the player didn't want to come. So if it is true, then it's the opposite.
The "what then?", if we're either not offering enough money to the selling club or what we're offering to the player isn't attractive enough to convince them to join then we have two choices - offer better terms or move on to other targets.
I find it very strange that in the same breath people can bemoan the daft hiring of Gerrard, and our mediocre-at-best recent transfer history and at the same time be completely convinced that the people who did those things, have a fool-proof plan and couldn't possibly have just messed up a bit in January.
Post by: Goldie.7 on February 11, 2023, 01:24:09 PM
He can see Villa have no ambition and is engineering a move. We've seen this countless times before!
Post by: Dave on February 11, 2023, 01:26:27 PM
I predicted all this happening in the transfer thread. I would quote but it's locked.
He can see Villa have no ambition and is engineering a move. We've seen this countless times before!
And while we're repeating ourselves, I still maintain that there isn't anywhere realistic* for him to go who could afford to buy him.
(*Man Utd if De Gea leaves caveat applies)
Post by: Scott Nielsen on February 11, 2023, 01:35:37 PM
I predicted all this happening in the transfer thread. I would quote but it's locked.
He can see Villa have no ambition and is engineering a move. We've seen this countless times before!
And while we're repeating ourselves, I still maintain that there isn't anywhere realistic* for him to go who could afford to buy him.
(*Man Utd if De Gea leaves caveat applies)
And hopefully they have David Raya lined up to replace him anyway.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 11, 2023, 01:39:08 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 11, 2023, 01:39:15 PM
Post by: Smirker on February 11, 2023, 01:40:24 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 11, 2023, 01:41:02 PM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on February 11, 2023, 01:41:29 PM
£100mil please
We can use that money to replace him with three goalkeepers that add up to one Martinez.
Post by: Dave on February 11, 2023, 01:43:14 PM
Keepers are probably the easiest to replace. There are a number of excellent keepers out there who would cost a lot less than what we’d get for Emi.
Yup. Plenty of younger ones too who look like they want to step up.
Reckon Raya (as Scott mentions), Sanchez at Brighton and Meslier (who seems very highly-rated although I don't see it myself) will probably be playing elsewhere before Emi is.
Post by: dave shelley on February 11, 2023, 01:47:24 PM
That we are all getting on is a sobering thought. We’ve operated at the arse end of the league and lower for the better part of 4 decades now.
In all the sixty-odd years I've been in love with this club the ups have been far less than the downs but by Christ those ups have been well worth it and I'm hanging in for more. I wish you all the same.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 11, 2023, 01:48:50 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 11, 2023, 01:52:24 PM
Post by: ez on February 11, 2023, 01:57:07 PM
Agreed. We also have to remember there are a lot of villa fans under 30 who have never seen us win anything.That we are all getting on is a sobering thought. We’ve operated at the arse end of the league and lower for the better part of 4 decades now.
In all the sixty-odd years I've been in love with this club the ups have been far less than the downs but by Christ those ups have been well worth it and I'm hanging in for more. I wish you all the same.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 11, 2023, 02:04:01 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 11, 2023, 02:07:57 PM
Post by: Clampy on February 11, 2023, 02:12:08 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 11, 2023, 02:15:42 PM
Then it's abroad. And there aren't many clubs that could afford him are there?
He wants to win with us. He's pissed off we lost in the Cup, as are we all. If we make big signings in the summer, and show our intent, then he'll stay. Otherwise he hasn't a lot of options anyway.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 11, 2023, 02:21:14 PM
Blimey, this thread has taken a depressing turn based on a player saying he thinks he's good enough to win the Champions League. I'm taking an extended break to the tinned bacon thread.
It’s a visceral reaction and happens any time one of our players utters CL in their list of things to achieve. I don’t blame any player or any employee in any profession to have highest ambition for themselves. It’s only going to stop as a football fan if the club shows it wants to match those ambitions. And even then, there will always be a bigger predator out there to want our best players.
Post by: Dave on February 11, 2023, 02:31:14 PM
Then it's abroad. And there aren't many clubs that could afford him are there?
And those that can, don't need him.
PSG spent two years chasing Donnarumma. Real Madrid already have one of the very few keepers who are arguably better in Courtois. Barcelona are happy with Ter Stegen, Bayern have just signed a new keeper, if any of Juventus, Milan or Inter suddenly stumbled on a pile of cash, then their keepers are all good enough that the cost / benefit in upgrading to Emi isn't worth it.
If he wants to leave, there needs to be a buyer.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 11, 2023, 02:36:12 PM
I think the Irish keeper at Liverpool has always looked good and it was reported fairly recently that he wanted more first team opportunities.
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on February 11, 2023, 02:39:57 PM
Then it's abroad. And there aren't many clubs that could afford him are there?
And those that can, don't need him.
PSG spent two years chasing Donnarumma. Real Madrid already have one of the very few keepers who are arguably better in Courtois. Barcelona are happy with Ter Stegen, Bayern have just signed a new keeper, if any of Juventus, Milan or Inter suddenly stumbled on a pile of cash, then their keepers are all good enough that the cost / benefit in upgrading to Emi isn't worth it.
If he wants to leave, there needs to be a buyer.
I hope you’re right, but what about Athletico if Oblak leaves? Or Spurs (vomits) if they replace Lloris?
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 11, 2023, 02:42:08 PM
Post by: Risso on February 11, 2023, 02:43:03 PM
I don’t see what is surprising here. What would any of us expect him to say. I’m pretty sure if JJ or McGinn or Calum Chambers was asked about their ambition they’d all want to play in the CL. No different to Bacuna who was laughed at for having that ambition. Our job is to put in place the best environment for players to succeed and historically we haven’t which is why all of our best players have left. The January transfer window alone wouldn’t have changed that. Had we bought two or three top players it might have made him think we are more ambitious, but the answer he gave to a question about his desire to play at that level in his career would not have changed.
Did you read all of the article? He hasn't just said he wants to play in the Champions League, he says it's going to be very difficult with Villa and then mentions a team like PSG who he'd like to play for. The huge difference between Martinez and McGinn is of course that Martinez is good enough to play for a Champions League team. A big effort towards strengthening in January could have been a step on the road to Champions League qualification. Get 3-4 top players in, and nick 6th place and a Europa League spot. Win that, and there you go, ambition achieved.
Post by: Dave on February 11, 2023, 03:04:22 PM
I don’t see what is surprising here. What would any of us expect him to say. I’m pretty sure if JJ or McGinn or Calum Chambers was asked about their ambition they’d all want to play in the CL. No different to Bacuna who was laughed at for having that ambition. Our job is to put in place the best environment for players to succeed and historically we haven’t which is why all of our best players have left. The January transfer window alone wouldn’t have changed that. Had we bought two or three top players it might have made him think we are more ambitious, but the answer he gave to a question about his desire to play at that level in his career would not have changed.
Did you read all of the article? He hasn't just said he wants to play in the Champions League, he says it's going to be very difficult with Villa and then mentions a team like PSG who he'd like to play for. The huge difference between Martinez and McGinn is of course that Martinez is good enough to play for a Champions League team. A big effort towards strengthening in January could have been a step on the road to Champions League qualification. Get 3-4 top players in, and nick 6th place and a Europa League spot. Win that, and there you go, ambition achieved.
Particularly now that we have a manager who is so good in the Europa League that it seems to be in the rules of the competition that if he's managing in it, then he has to win it.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 11, 2023, 03:13:30 PM
I don’t see what is surprising here. What would any of us expect him to say. I’m pretty sure if JJ or McGinn or Calum Chambers was asked about their ambition they’d all want to play in the CL. No different to Bacuna who was laughed at for having that ambition. Our job is to put in place the best environment for players to succeed and historically we haven’t which is why all of our best players have left. The January transfer window alone wouldn’t have changed that. Had we bought two or three top players it might have made him think we are more ambitious, but the answer he gave to a question about his desire to play at that level in his career would not have changed.
Did you read all of the article? He hasn't just said he wants to play in the Champions League, he says it's going to be very difficult with Villa and then mentions a team like PSG who he'd like to play for. The huge difference between Martinez and McGinn is of course that Martinez is good enough to play for a Champions League team. A big effort towards strengthening in January could have been a step on the road to Champions League qualification. Get 3-4 top players in, and nick 6th place and a Europa League spot. Win that, and there you go, ambition achieved.
Yeh I read it all thanks. We are not making the leap to CL this season. That’s the question he was asked. Chelsea spent the GDP of a small nation and likely will miss out. I’m all for ambition but I also realize where we are and I want sustained progression and success. Nobody is dismissing that we could have done more but it’s not going to bridge the gap right now to where players like Martinez ultimately want to be at some point in his career.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 11, 2023, 03:23:40 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 11, 2023, 03:30:05 PM
This is a microcosm of a bigger whole. A lot of us on here are getting on, we've seen so many new dawns fade and to be honest, if the combination of loaded owners and respected manager doesn't do it, then what will? If we don't push on this season I can see another few years of bumbling around mid-table until it's our turn to get relegated again.
It’s why I really don’t get the attitude in January, we were 3 points of Europe. The targets being overpriced is a weak excuse as well - there must be countless players who would enhance us and were attainable. This culture of, “we’ll deal with it next window” just means we’re always behind the curve.
Post by: Beard82 on February 11, 2023, 04:21:56 PM
I guess we still are - but we haven’t made unai job any easier
Post by: Dave on February 11, 2023, 04:40:51 PM
Then it's abroad. And there aren't many clubs that could afford him are there?
And those that can, don't need him.
PSG spent two years chasing Donnarumma. Real Madrid already have one of the very few keepers who are arguably better in Courtois. Barcelona are happy with Ter Stegen, Bayern have just signed a new keeper, if any of Juventus, Milan or Inter suddenly stumbled on a pile of cash, then their keepers are all good enough that the cost / benefit in upgrading to Emi isn't worth it.
If he wants to leave, there needs to be a buyer.
I hope you’re right, but what about Athletico if Oblak leaves? Or Spurs (vomits) if they replace Lloris?
Atletico are in a massive financial black hole. Joao Felix is at Chelsea in the hope that he does well enough to bring 80m or so, and if he does then that isn't then all going to be thrown at a goalkeeper.
I don't claim any great expertise or knowledge, but I'm sure they're in "raise money to keep the lights on" mode right now, not "break the world record transfer fee for a goalkeeper" mode.
Spurs have come up in this conversation befoe but it just isn't them. I wouldn't completely rule it out, but smashing their transfer record on a thirty year old goalkeeper (when there's a good chance they'll have to replace their all-time record goalscorer next summer) - I just don't see it.
If I were a betting man, I'd be wondering about Leeds going down and Meslier going to Spurs.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 11, 2023, 04:40:54 PM
Now we make the excuses for the owners ourselves
Too early for us to get into Europe is the single most laughably pathetic thing I’ve ever seen posted here.
Post by: Dave on February 11, 2023, 04:43:41 PM
Too early for us to get into Europe is the single most laughably pathetic thing I’ve ever seen posted here.
Trying to get into Europe is the sort of thing clubs ahead of us in the cycle do.
You know, like promoted-last-season Fulham.
Post by: Mister E on February 11, 2023, 05:14:26 PM
Hear, hear. Well put, Dave.That we are all getting on is a sobering thought. We’ve operated at the arse end of the league and lower for the better part of 4 decades now.In all the sixty-odd years I've been in love with this club the ups have been far less than the downs but by Christ those ups have been well worth it and I'm hanging in for more. I wish you all the same.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 11, 2023, 05:23:59 PM
In all of this debate about progress over the last 2 years, the single biggest constraint on progress was the appointment of the scouse fraud.
Yep. As I’ve just said in the other games thread, Newcastle’s team looks so average on paper. If they’d had that scouse wanker massively under-achieving with that squad they’d probably be moaning about the investment.
I’m just open to the possibility that the January decisions were Emery’s. I suppose time will tell.
Post by: KevinGage on February 11, 2023, 05:29:06 PM
The excuse that the players we need to take us to the next level are too expensive used to be what we criticised Ellis for.
Now we make the excuses for the owners ourselves
Too early for us to get into Europe is the single most laughably pathetic thing I’ve ever seen posted here.
Agreed.
I get the argument that Europa League or Europa Conference League could stretch a threadbare squad and distract from the league campaign.
The answer is to make sure the squad isn't threadbare by the time it rolls around. And after more than a decade of mostly bilge, I'll take that sort of distraction thanks very much.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 11, 2023, 05:55:37 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 11, 2023, 05:59:21 PM
I predicted all this happening in the transfer thread. I would quote but it's locked.
He can see Villa have no ambition and is engineering a move. We've seen this countless times before!
And while we're repeating ourselves, I still maintain that there isn't anywhere realistic* for him to go who could afford to buy him.
(*Man Utd if De Gea leaves caveat applies)
Neuer has fallen out with Bayern, for replacing his mate/gk coach, so they could be looking for a keeper. Chelsea and Spurs will be looking too.
I’d prefer to keep the player but if he forces a move i think there’d be a few bidding which should mean we get a good price.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 11, 2023, 06:03:11 PM
Post by: LeonW on February 11, 2023, 06:12:36 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 11, 2023, 06:13:34 PM
Spurs don’t offer anything substantially better than what he has with us.
Of course they do - they're in the European places most years or at the very least competing for them.
We're in the bottom half of the table, midway at best most years.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 11, 2023, 06:16:25 PM
Post by: Rigadon on February 11, 2023, 06:16:36 PM
Spurs don’t offer anything substantially better than what he has with us. He is going to command £100m in todays market. Fucking Kepa was over £70m. So when or if he goes it will be to a club that wants to lash out that kind of money on a keeper that has a specific need for one. And there are very few of those clubs around.
I wouldn't be amazed if £100m splurges on a player might be something we see less of, given the PL seems to be finally doing something about financial doping (obviously we will see how that plays out). I don't think anybody is likely to buy Martinez for £100m, and that his release clause will be half that - I'm only basing that on fuck all but gut feel though, so who knows. It does feel rather inevitable he'll leave though and the sum we get is kind of irrelevant, unless we need to sell to buy of course.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 11, 2023, 06:17:21 PM
Spurs don’t offer anything substantially better than what he has with us.
Of course they do - they're in the European places most years or at the very least competing for them.
We're in the bottom half of the table, midway at best most years.
If he just wants European football then he could join any number of clubs in Europe. But at this stage he’s not settling for Europa League which is at best where Spurs will end up. And they will likely boot their manager yet again, and more than likely sell Harry Kane. So going into next season it’s probably better, but if you’re Emi Martinez, WC winner, desiring CL football, are you going to Tottenham?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 11, 2023, 06:22:08 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 11, 2023, 06:22:20 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 11, 2023, 06:22:33 PM
Spurs don’t offer anything substantially better than what he has with us.
Of course they do - they're in the European places most years or at the very least competing for them.
We're in the bottom half of the table, midway at best most years.
If he just wants European football then he could join any number of clubs in Europe. But at this stage he’s not settling for Europa League which is at best where Spurs will end up. And they will likely boot their manager yet again, and more than likely sell Harry Kane. So going into next season it’s probably better, but if you’re Emi Martinez, WC winner, desiring CL football, are you going to Tottenham?
I didn't say he'd go to Spurs, I took issue with the suggestion they don't offer anything 'substantially better' than we do. That's absolute nonsense as a quick look at the table will tell you.
Europa League is also significantly better than mid table mediocrity.
Post by: LeonW on February 11, 2023, 06:22:41 PM
Post by: Dave on February 11, 2023, 06:27:02 PM
I predicted all this happening in the transfer thread. I would quote but it's locked.
He can see Villa have no ambition and is engineering a move. We've seen this countless times before!
And while we're repeating ourselves, I still maintain that there isn't anywhere realistic* for him to go who could afford to buy him.
(*Man Utd if De Gea leaves caveat applies)
Neuer has fallen out with Bayern, for replacing his mate/gk coach, so they could be looking for a keeper. Chelsea and Spurs will be looking too.
They fell out with him first for him breaking his leg skiing which he wasn't allowed to do. But they fixed it already in January by buying the second best goalkeeper in the Bundesliga in Yann Sommer.
Chelsea - obviously a law unto their crazy selves, but when he's not injured there's nothing to suggest they're not happy with Mendy. Until that changes (and it clearly could) I'm not worried about them.
Spurs - as per posts passim
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 11, 2023, 06:43:52 PM
Spurs don’t offer anything substantially better than what he has with us.
Of course they do - they're in the European places most years or at the very least competing for them.
We're in the bottom half of the table, midway at best most years.
If he just wants European football then he could join any number of clubs in Europe. But at this stage he’s not settling for Europa League which is at best where Spurs will end up. And they will likely boot their manager yet again, and more than likely sell Harry Kane. So going into next season it’s probably better, but if you’re Emi Martinez, WC winner, desiring CL football, are you going to Tottenham?
I didn't say he'd go to Spurs, I took issue with the suggestion they don't offer anything 'substantially better' than we do. That's absolute nonsense as a quick look at the table will tell you.
Europa League is also significantly better than mid table mediocrity.
It’s in context to what he is looking at as a player in his career, not what you or I are looking right now in terms of the table. So in that sense Spurs isn’t substantially better. If you look at the table then playing for Fulham is better than playing for Villa right now.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 11, 2023, 06:45:39 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 11, 2023, 06:48:04 PM
It’s in context to what he is looking at as a player in his career, not what you or I are looking right now in terms of the table. So in that sense Spurs isn’t substantially better. If you look at the table then playing for Fulham is better than playing for Villa right now.
Spurs are on a different level entirely to us, not just now but over the last several years.
Pretending otherwise is just nuts. And I don't like admitting it, but they are. It's not just some freak 'well, they're having an exceptional season' Fulham thing.
This club has not finished in the top half of the PL for the last 12 years, and wasn't even in it for 3 of those years.
Not only are they operating in a different league to us, they're also the subject of immense amounts of media love-in, whereas we have become an irrelevance.
Post by: LeonW on February 11, 2023, 06:51:11 PM
It’s in context to what he is looking at as a player in his career, not what you or I are looking right now in terms of the table. So in that sense Spurs isn’t substantially better. If you look at the table then playing for Fulham is better than playing for Villa right now.
Spurs are on a different level entirely to us, not just now but over the last several years.
Pretending otherwise is just nuts. And I don't like admitting it, but they are. It's not just some freak 'well, they're having an exceptional season' Fulham thing.
This club has not finished in the top half of the PL for the last 12 years, and wasn't even in it for 3 of those years.
Not only are they operating in a different league to us, they're also the subject of immense amounts of media love-in, whereas we have become an irrelevance.
And were in a champions league final not so long ago. Gritted teeth but I agree with where Spurs are operating compared to us. Although them joining the European super league was akin to Bananaman trying to join the Avengers.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 11, 2023, 06:54:29 PM
We're setting ourselves the target of finishing in the top half and retrospectively inventing good reasons not to have strengthened in the last transfer window.
We tell ourselves and anyone who will listen that we are a big club, but big clubs ACT like big clubs. We just don't do that, and if we want to change how we are perceived by others, or if we want those boasts not to sound like hollow nonsense. then we are going to have to actually show it - be big, not just talk like we are.
I know I am banging on a bit about this but I am just so sick of it always being 'next window' or 'next season' whilst most of my life passes by.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 11, 2023, 06:58:06 PM
They were great days.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 11, 2023, 06:59:54 PM
Post by: Dave on February 11, 2023, 07:07:15 PM
Spurs don’t offer anything substantially better than what he has with us.
Of course they do - they're in the European places most years or at the very least competing for them.
We're in the bottom half of the table, midway at best most years.
If he just wants European football then he could join any number of clubs in Europe. But at this stage he’s not settling for Europa League which is at best where Spurs will end up. And they will likely boot their manager yet again, and more than likely sell Harry Kane. So going into next season it’s probably better, but if you’re Emi Martinez, WC winner, desiring CL football, are you going to Tottenham?
I didn't say he'd go to Spurs, I took issue with the suggestion they don't offer anything 'substantially better' than we do. That's absolute nonsense as a quick look at the table will tell you.
Europa League is also significantly better than mid table mediocrity.
It’s in context to what he is looking at as a player in his career, not what you or I are looking right now in terms of the table. So in that sense Spurs isn’t substantially better. If you look at the table then playing for Fulham is better than playing for Villa right now.
The bigger issue is that playing for Villa isn't really any better than playing for Fulham right now.
Which is why it's rather annoying we've decided to waste the last 18 months, and the last time we had the chance to rectify that wasted time we decided that we couldn't be bothered.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 11, 2023, 07:30:41 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 11, 2023, 07:46:28 PM
Spurs don’t offer anything substantially better than what he has with us.
Of course they do - they're in the European places most years or at the very least competing for them.
We're in the bottom half of the table, midway at best most years.
If he just wants European football then he could join any number of clubs in Europe. But at this stage he’s not settling for Europa League which is at best where Spurs will end up. And they will likely boot their manager yet again, and more than likely sell Harry Kane. So going into next season it’s probably better, but if you’re Emi Martinez, WC winner, desiring CL football, are you going to Tottenham?
I didn't say he'd go to Spurs, I took issue with the suggestion they don't offer anything 'substantially better' than we do. That's absolute nonsense as a quick look at the table will tell you.
Europa League is also significantly better than mid table mediocrity.
It’s in context to what he is looking at as a player in his career, not what you or I are looking right now in terms of the table. So in that sense Spurs isn’t substantially better. If you look at the table then playing for Fulham is better than playing for Villa right now.
The bigger issue is that playing for Villa isn't really any better than playing for Fulham right now.
Which is why it's rather annoying we've decided to waste the last 18 months, and the last time we had the chance to rectify that wasted time we decided that we couldn't be bothered.
There is no doubt the Gerrard experiment was an unmitigated disaster. The good news we hope is that we should, IF we do it right, be able to accelerate past the likes of Fulham and stay the course.
IF
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 11, 2023, 07:49:28 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 11, 2023, 07:58:23 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 11, 2023, 08:09:05 PM
He will be off and so will Kamara and anyone else with realistic ambitions to win anything because we never move forwards at a quick enough pace for the modern game. Jam tomorrow.
Sadly this is where I am.
Post by: Dave on February 11, 2023, 08:09:11 PM
I think Newcastle have shown it can be done.
Well, yes. When they had the opportunity they chucked £70m at the two massive holes in their team so that they got much better, and jumped half a dozen places in the league in the second half of the season.
That's not really the route we've chosen.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 11, 2023, 08:11:37 PM
Remember that slightly weird season ticket pack they sent out with that DVD with loads of military music as the backing track?
I found that recently while moving house. Didn't watch the DVD (maybe I should) but there was a letter from the CEO of the time saying we'd be in the Champions' League soon. 'Twas ever thus.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 11, 2023, 08:27:00 PM
I think Newcastle have shown it can be done.
Well, yes. When they had the opportunity they chucked £70m at the two massive holes in their team so that they got much better, and jumped half a dozen places in the league in the second half of the season.
That's not really the route we've chosen.
Not yet. Guimares was an excellent Jan buy last year. Isak joined in the summer. Gordon just now and I have no idea if he’s worth £45m. They’d added astutely across two windows with a settled back room staff. It’s way too early to know for sure if we got it completely wrong all because of one window where we probably should have been a bit more aggressive.
Now, if by end of August our net spend isn’t significant then we will have fucked things up. There will be no excuses this summer not to seriously improve the what we have. And I think amongst the biggest changes we will see is Lange being replaced by someone Emery wants in that role.
Post by: Stu on February 11, 2023, 08:28:17 PM
Their fans are currently up in arms because they're only 5th.
We're setting ourselves the target of finishing in the top half and retrospectively inventing good reasons not to have strengthened in the last transfer window.
We tell ourselves and anyone who will listen that we are a big club, but big clubs ACT like big clubs. We just don't do that, and if we want to change how we are perceived by others, or if we want those boasts not to sound like hollow nonsense. then we are going to have to actually show it - be big, not just talk like we are.
I know I am banging on a bit about this but I am just so sick of it always being 'next window' or 'next season' whilst most of my life passes by.
I’ve given hoping we’ll win a trophy again in my lifetime. I just plod on now taking each match as it comes, and if something good happens then fantastic. Never hope. Hope is a lie.
Post by: Dave on February 11, 2023, 08:37:12 PM
I think Newcastle have shown it can be done.
Well, yes. When they had the opportunity they chucked £70m at the two massive holes in their team so that they got much better, and jumped half a dozen places in the league in the second half of the season.
That's not really the route we've chosen.
Not yet. Guimares was an excellent Jan buy last year. Isak joined in the summer. Gordon just now and I have no idea if he’s worth £45m. They’d added astutely across two windows with a settled back room staff. It’s way too early to know for sure if we got it completely wrong all because of one window where we probably should have been a bit more aggressive.
Sure. It's not impossible that Bailey, Watkins and Traore score twenty goals between them and we finish sixth. Stranger things have happened.
But in the world where that doesn't happen and we finish somewhere between 9th and 13th, we're never going to look back at January '23 and say "not buying the players we needed back then is where it all started to go right".
Our version of Newcastle's previous January is where we don't talk to that pretty Guimares girl because she might laugh if we try to kiss her, and saying that we won't win the league with Chris Wood and he might be £2m cheaper in the summer anyway so why bother buying him now?
Post by: KevinGage on February 11, 2023, 08:40:51 PM
I just find it kind of surprising that some people admit the next window is key, and seem convinced we’ll do what we need to do. We have a hell of a lot of work to do and we’ve got a catalogue of evidence to show we consistently don’t make that step.
Yep. Don't forget, those new players will need to blend in as well. So another 6 months > season can be written off as a season of transition, if so inclined.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 11, 2023, 09:15:16 PM
Whenever I’ve seen Meslier I’ve failed to see the hype around him.
Whenever he's mentioned on podcasts it is to do with him being good with the ball at his feet, "modern keeper yadda yadda yadda" and they expect him to go to a 'top' club.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 11, 2023, 09:16:51 PM
*unless there is a contract clause.
Post by: Dave on February 11, 2023, 09:31:34 PM
Whenever I’ve seen Meslier I’ve failed to see the hype around him.
Whenever he's mentioned on podcasts it is to do with him being good with the ball at his feet, "modern keeper yadda yadda yadda" and they expect him to go to a 'top' club.
On the other hand, it seemed like everyone (including me) felt that Aaron Ramsdale was a hopeless fraud who kept getting his teams relegated, but £30m later and Arsenal fans think he's one of the main reasons they might win the league.
Maybe Meslier is the same and it's one of those positions where you have to be watching them all the time to really know.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 11, 2023, 09:33:29 PM
He’s good and if he saved us 10 points a season we could potentially get some of that back by buying a more ruthless striker or a more consistent winger or creative midfielder. A fair few keepers make a lot of great saves but not being fans of those clubs we don’t see as many of them as we do of Emi’s, he’s got the swagger and all the rest of it as well as the saves that’s the thing.
Post by: Risso on February 11, 2023, 09:38:15 PM
If he wants to go and anyone else for that matter I’ll thank him and wish him well but we’ll move on. We won’t get a replacement as good as him but I’d like to think another area of the team will be vastly improved instead.
It didn't work out that way when we sold Grealish.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 11, 2023, 09:41:11 PM
I think Newcastle have shown it can be done.
Well, yes. When they had the opportunity they chucked £70m at the two massive holes in their team so that they got much better, and jumped half a dozen places in the league in the second half of the season.
That's not really the route we've chosen.
Not yet. Guimares was an excellent Jan buy last year. Isak joined in the summer. Gordon just now and I have no idea if he’s worth £45m. They’d added astutely across two windows with a settled back room staff. It’s way too early to know for sure if we got it completely wrong all because of one window where we probably should have been a bit more aggressive.
Sure. It's not impossible that Bailey, Watkins and Traore score twenty goals between them and we finish sixth. Stranger things have happened.
But in the world where that doesn't happen and we finish somewhere between 9th and 13th, we're never going to look back at January '23 and say "not buying the players we needed back then is where it all started to go right".
Our version of Newcastle's previous January is where we don't talk to that pretty Guimares girl because she might laugh if we try to kiss her, and saying that we won't win the league with Chris Wood and he might be £2m cheaper in the summer anyway so why bother buying him now?
Exactly.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 11, 2023, 09:41:34 PM
If he wants to go and anyone else for that matter I’ll thank him and wish him well but we’ll move on. We won’t get a replacement as good as him but I’d like to think another area of the team will be vastly improved instead.
It didn't work out that way when we sold Grealish.
Correct but no matter how good Martinez is he’s not as integral as Grealish was to us and will be more ‘easily’ replaced.
Post by: LeonW on February 11, 2023, 09:42:45 PM
I think Newcastle have shown it can be done.
Well, yes. When they had the opportunity they chucked £70m at the two massive holes in their team so that they got much better, and jumped half a dozen places in the league in the second half of the season.
That's not really the route we've chosen.
Not yet. Guimares was an excellent Jan buy last year. Isak joined in the summer. Gordon just now and I have no idea if he’s worth £45m. They’d added astutely across two windows with a settled back room staff. It’s way too early to know for sure if we got it completely wrong all because of one window where we probably should have been a bit more aggressive.
Now, if by end of August our net spend isn’t significant then we will have fucked things up. There will be no excuses this summer not to seriously improve the what we have. And I think amongst the biggest changes we will see is Lange being replaced by someone Emery wants in that role.
If Lange is going to go it needs to be now. The longer that decision is left with another window coming up, the more damaging it is to the summer business. Having said that Toronto, I think I’m broadly where you are; hoping that in the summer we see the club show some serious intent as there is now no excuse with an elite manager in place, but deep down knowing it won’t happen.
Post by: LeonW on February 11, 2023, 09:50:36 PM
If he wants to go and anyone else for that matter I’ll thank him and wish him well but we’ll move on. We won’t get a replacement as good as him but I’d like to think another area of the team will be vastly improved instead.
It didn't work out that way when we sold Grealish.
Correct but no matter how good Martinez is he’s not as integral as Grealish was to us and will be more ‘easily’ replaced.
All elite players are integral and replacing them is notoriously hard, especially with where we are right now. We have a track record of failing to do that over many decades. Even Spurs who are much further along then we are understood that keeping Kane was much better than having the money to try and replace him. They learnt that from Bale. We have never learnt that lesson.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 11, 2023, 09:58:00 PM
If he wants to go and anyone else for that matter I’ll thank him and wish him well but we’ll move on. We won’t get a replacement as good as him but I’d like to think another area of the team will be vastly improved instead.
It didn't work out that way when we sold Grealish.
Correct but no matter how good Martinez is he’s not as integral as Grealish was to us and will be more ‘easily’ replaced.
All elite players are integral and replacing them is notoriously hard, especially with where we are right now. We have a track record of failing to do that over many decades. Even Spurs who are much further along then we are understood that keeping Kane was much better than having the money to try and replace him. They learnt that from Bale. We have never learnt that lesson.
I stand by that it’ll be easier to replace a keeper than it has been an enigmatic fulcrum of the team. Spurs will be the same when it comes to Lloris and Kane even withstanding the talent difference between the two keepers.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 11, 2023, 10:02:11 PM
Post by: Dave on February 11, 2023, 10:13:32 PM
Spurs should have replaced Lloris about five years ago. Complete bag of shite.
So...around the time that he won the World Cup and the season before he helped them get to the Champions League final?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 11, 2023, 10:30:58 PM
Post by: LeonW on February 11, 2023, 10:32:37 PM
If he wants to go and anyone else for that matter I’ll thank him and wish him well but we’ll move on. We won’t get a replacement as good as him but I’d like to think another area of the team will be vastly improved instead.
It didn't work out that way when we sold Grealish.
Correct but no matter how good Martinez is he’s not as integral as Grealish was to us and will be more ‘easily’ replaced.
All elite players are integral and replacing them is notoriously hard, especially with where we are right now. We have a track record of failing to do that over many decades. Even Spurs who are much further along then we are understood that keeping Kane was much better than having the money to try and replace him. They learnt that from Bale. We have never learnt that lesson.
I stand by that it’ll be easier to replace a keeper than it has been an enigmatic fulcrum of the team. Spurs will be the same when it comes to Lloris and Kane even withstanding the talent difference between the two keepers.
I think the current market for elite goal keepers is smaller than attacking players. But outside of that, it should be about Villa actually keeping an elite player rather than losing them or contemplate losing them for a change. We need to buck that trend.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 11, 2023, 10:34:52 PM
Yes. I've no idea how he's had the career he has, he's shit.
I mean he’s not.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 11, 2023, 10:41:08 PM
Post by: LeonW on February 11, 2023, 10:46:21 PM
This is the hill I am dying on. Frequent mistakes gifting goals to the opposition (including our first the other week) and don't think he’s anything special as a shot stopper.
That’s your view on Martinez?!?!?
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 11, 2023, 10:55:14 PM
This is the hill I am dying on. Frequent mistakes gifting goals to the opposition (including our first the other week) and don't think he’s anything special as a shot stopper.
That’s your view on Martinez?!?!?
No, Lloris.
To be fair to Meanwood he hasn't been good enough for a team challenging top 4 for a couple of seasons now.
Post by: LeonW on February 11, 2023, 11:10:57 PM
This is the hill I am dying on. Frequent mistakes gifting goals to the opposition (including our first the other week) and don't think he’s anything special as a shot stopper.
That’s your view on Martinez?!?!?
No, Lloris.
To be fair to Meanwood he hasn't been good enough for a team challenging top 4 for a couple of seasons now.
I wasn’t sure! I think Lloris has been on the decline for a number of years, despite his achievements.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 11, 2023, 11:34:59 PM
This is the hill I am dying on. Frequent mistakes gifting goals to the opposition (including our first the other week) and don't think he’s anything special as a shot stopper.
That’s your view on Martinez?!?!?
No, Lloris.
To be fair to Meanwood he hasn't been good enough for a team challenging top 4 for a couple of seasons now.
I wasn’t sure! I think Lloris has been on the decline for a number of years, despite his achievements.
Lloris has been way past it for ages now.
Post by: Smirker on February 11, 2023, 11:36:16 PM
If he wants to go and anyone else for that matter I’ll thank him and wish him well but we’ll move on. We won’t get a replacement as good as him but I’d like to think another area of the team will be vastly improved instead.
It didn't work out that way when we sold Grealish.
Correct.
Also, he will go, BTW. When he wanted to stay he came our and said that, was a couple years ago I think. These latest comments say he will look to move at the end of the season.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 11, 2023, 11:48:30 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 11, 2023, 11:54:32 PM
He will be off and so will Kamara and anyone else with realistic ambitions to win anything because we never move forwards at a quick enough pace for the modern game. Jam tomorrow.
Yet we signed them both.
Post by: Drummond on February 11, 2023, 11:56:16 PM
I just find it kind of surprising that some people admit the next window is key, and seem convinced we’ll do what we need to do. We have a hell of a lot of work to do and we’ve got a catalogue of evidence to show we consistently don’t make that step. Maybe we’ll buck that trend, I hope we do, but it’s going to take a big shift and we made it harder by chucking it in in January. Even if it doesn’t materially change the mindset of players like Emi, it certainly can’t help.
I understand that view completely.
However, we went and got Emery. That's ambitious.
Post by: Risso on February 11, 2023, 11:57:12 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on February 12, 2023, 12:07:35 AM
We signed Martinez when he was lucky to get a run out for Arsenal reserves in the League Cup. He's now widely regarded as one of the best keepers in the world and has a World Cup medal.
Based, as the kids say.
Post by: algy on February 12, 2023, 12:14:55 AM
The worrying thing is the symmetry between people saying that we're not progressing fast enough for Martinez ... which is what people were saying about us & Joe before he left. Not progressing quickly enough to keep (players who aren't mediocre at this level).
I'm slowly being turned around to the Risso viewpoint. You either want to win stuff or you don't, and whilst I'm sure we've been 'sensible' in January, it's hardly screamed ambition.
This summer will be huge for the club. I'm happy with not investing too much in Gerrard and late-era Smith since there were question marks hanging over both. But fail in the summer to properly back Emery and I can't see that these owners actually intend much more than treading water.
Post by: algy on February 12, 2023, 12:15:39 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 12, 2023, 01:27:44 AM
Post by: LeonW on February 12, 2023, 01:33:19 AM
It’s amazing that as soon as one of our players simply whispers CL or indicates anything resembling professional ambition, that there is immediate reaction amongst some that he must be off. I suppose it’s what happens when players have left us that immediately triggers a fear that we no longer can hang on to anyone. It has made us really fragile as a fan base and as a club.
History has conditioned us as a fan base. And until we finally keep hold of our best players it will continue.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 12, 2023, 01:49:26 AM
It’s amazing that as soon as one of our players simply whispers CL or indicates anything resembling professional ambition, that there is immediate reaction amongst some that he must be off. I suppose it’s what happens when players have left us that immediately triggers a fear that we no longer can hang on to anyone. It has made us really fragile as a fan base and as a club.
History has conditioned us as a fan base. And until we finally keep hold of our best players it will continue.
But there will always be a hierarchy. We will always have a chance to lose our best players to a club higher up the chain. And it happens to even the biggest sides that a bigger fish comes by. Without anything substantial to back it up it just seems that as a fan base we are more affected than others. Was Dwight Yorke the one that stung the most that started all of this off?
Post by: LeonW on February 12, 2023, 02:47:06 AM
It’s amazing that as soon as one of our players simply whispers CL or indicates anything resembling professional ambition, that there is immediate reaction amongst some that he must be off. I suppose it’s what happens when players have left us that immediately triggers a fear that we no longer can hang on to anyone. It has made us really fragile as a fan base and as a club.
History has conditioned us as a fan base. And until we finally keep hold of our best players it will continue.
But there will always be a hierarchy. We will always have a chance to lose our best players to a club higher up the chain. And it happens to even the biggest sides that a bigger fish comes by. Without anything substantial to back it up it just seems that as a fan base we are more affected than others. Was Dwight Yorke the one that stung the most that started all of this off?
True, there’s always a hierarchy. And every player has a price. But I would say the following:
• we always seem to be ill prepared for a key player departure.
• I think a lot of the angst is caused by us not having clarity as to where we really are as club - and that is a decades old problem.
Doug would always pretend that we were competing with the elite, particularly around season ticket time, and often do the minimum amount to keep those hopes alive.
I get the same vibe from our current hierarchy. “We’ll push the boat out if a top player becomes available.” And “It’s about being sustainable.”
I think if the club were more honest about its intentions it would help managed expectations accordingly. Supporters will be with the club through thick and thin, but sometimes I think when business people get involved, they think they need to sell a dream without understanding that people will stand in the rain and cold in a city miles away, knowing they won’t get home until 1am, but still do it anyway. But be honest about what we’re trying to achieve and how, which I don’t think has been forthcoming from Doug, Randy, Dr Tony and the current ownership. O’Dreary said we were fickle but I often think the truth is that we just haven’t had enough honesty about intentions which leads to confusion.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 12, 2023, 03:47:06 AM
Post by: Rory on February 12, 2023, 04:49:57 AM
Our failure has always been how we replaced our best players. I think overall we have got great prices for our best players when they have moved on. Or at least it hasn’t felt that we’d been fleeced. But every time we sold a Yorke, Barry, Delph, Benteke, Grealish etc, we’ve fucked up the next critical phase. All teams have player turnover for one reason or another. The most successful teams just deal with it the best.
Agreed, TV.
If Martinez wants to leave and as long as somebody pays (significantly above) his value, that isn't necessarily a failure. I'm not enthused about it but it's business. He's the best goalkeeper in the world, and until we become the biggest club in Europe, media speculation is going to happen.
Buying a player, getting three good seasons out of them, then selling them for twice what we paid is a good model. We just need to make sure we reinvest every penny we get in a wise manner. That's the bit that concerns me.
Post by: LeonW on February 12, 2023, 05:01:59 AM
Our failure has always been how we replaced our best players. I think overall we have got great prices for our best players when they have moved on. Or at least it hasn’t felt that we’d been fleeced. But every time we sold a Yorke, Barry, Delph, Benteke, Grealish etc, we’ve fucked up the next critical phase. All teams have player turnover for one reason or another. The most successful teams just deal with it the best.
Agreed, TV.
If Martinez wants to leave and as long as somebody pays (significantly above) his value, that isn't necessarily a failure. I'm not enthused about it but it's business. He's the best goalkeeper in the world, and until we become the biggest club in Europe, media speculation is going to happen.
Buying a player, getting three good seasons out of them, then selling them for twice what we paid is a good model. We just need to make sure we reinvest every penny we get in a wise manner. That's the bit that concerns me.
Our model for replacing like with like always doesn’t work as history shows.
Post by: Rory on February 12, 2023, 05:03:44 AM
Our failure has always been how we replaced our best players. I think overall we have got great prices for our best players when they have moved on. Or at least it hasn’t felt that we’d been fleeced. But every time we sold a Yorke, Barry, Delph, Benteke, Grealish etc, we’ve fucked up the next critical phase. All teams have player turnover for one reason or another. The most successful teams just deal with it the best.
Agreed, TV.
If Martinez wants to leave and as long as somebody pays (significantly above) his value, that isn't necessarily a failure. I'm not enthused about it but it's business. He's the best goalkeeper in the world, and until we become the biggest club in Europe, media speculation is going to happen.
Buying a player, getting three good seasons out of them, then selling them for twice what we paid is a good model. We just need to make sure we reinvest every penny we get in a wise manner. That's the bit that concerns me.
Our model for replacing like with like always doesn’t work as history shows.
I quite agree, Leon. That's what we need to change.
Post by: LeonW on February 12, 2023, 05:08:59 AM
Our failure has always been how we replaced our best players. I think overall we have got great prices for our best players when they have moved on. Or at least it hasn’t felt that we’d been fleeced. But every time we sold a Yorke, Barry, Delph, Benteke, Grealish etc, we’ve fucked up the next critical phase. All teams have player turnover for one reason or another. The most successful teams just deal with it the best.
Agreed, TV.
If Martinez wants to leave and as long as somebody pays (significantly above) his value, that isn't necessarily a failure. I'm not enthused about it but it's business. He's the best goalkeeper in the world, and until we become the biggest club in Europe, media speculation is going to happen.
Buying a player, getting three good seasons out of them, then selling them for twice what we paid is a good model. We just need to make sure we reinvest every penny we get in a wise manner. That's the bit that concerns me.
Our model for replacing like with like always doesn’t work as history shows.
I quite agree, Leon. That's what we need to change.
100%.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 12, 2023, 07:32:28 AM
Our failure has always been how we replaced our best players. I think overall we have got great prices for our best players when they have moved on. Or at least it hasn’t felt that we’d been fleeced. But every time we sold a Yorke, Barry, Delph, Benteke, Grealish etc, we’ve fucked up the next critical phase. All teams have player turnover for one reason or another. The most successful teams just deal with it the best.
I agree with this.
The structure of the club should mean that the planning can happen at Lange’s level whilst it is a flat ‘not for sales’ from Emery and the players.
Post by: Risso on February 12, 2023, 07:53:40 AM
Post by: AV82EC on February 12, 2023, 08:14:23 AM
My biggest concern and I’m with Risso on this I don’t feel there’s enough Sporting Director/CEO top level football knowledge to get us where we want to be. I’m unconvinced by Lange operating at an elite European level, and Purslow is a star fucker on the Football side and has been pretty poor on the commercial side imv so far.
At the end of the season we’re five years into NSWE project, if I was Nas/Wes I’d be looking at my executive team and saying not good enough.
Post by: Dave on February 12, 2023, 08:19:40 AM
He will be off and so will Kamara and anyone else with realistic ambitions to win anything because we never move forwards at a quick enough pace for the modern game. Jam tomorrow.
Yet we signed them both.
Risso has covered Martinez, and Kamara - we identified a player that we thought was really good and offered him a more lucrative contract than anyone else was prepared to.
Something we've decided we were too noble and Corinthian to do in January.
Post by: Villan82 on February 12, 2023, 08:30:58 AM
One of the plus points we've got at the moment is that we can point to Martinez when trying to sign other world class players. When Martinez is insinuating that we're not advanced enough for him, and issues a thinly-veiled "come and get me" statement, it doesn't scream of an ambitious club.
Summer 2018. One of the darkest in our history. After Ellis underachieved, Lerner managed to relegate us after a 30 year stint we then got Xia who almost finished us off.
These owners saved the club and my sympathy and gratitude is with them not players who use us and ditch us.
Post by: Dave on February 12, 2023, 08:34:36 AM
These owners saved the club and my sympathy and gratitude is with them not players who use us and ditch us.
We use and ditch every player who we decide isn't someone we need, why would players be expected to behave differently?
Post by: Smithy on February 12, 2023, 08:42:29 AM
He will be off and so will Kamara and anyone else with realistic ambitions to win anything because we never move forwards at a quick enough pace for the modern game. Jam tomorrow.
Yet we signed them both.
Risso has covered Martinez, and Kamara - we identified a player that we thought was really good and offered him a more lucrative contract than anyone else was prepared to.
Something we've decided we were too noble and Corinthian to do in January.
I don't think that's entirely fair. Kamara was out of contract and so his club had zero say in whether he came to us or not. And Emi had been told by his club they couldn't guarantee him number one status so they agreed to let him go (without realising how good he could be). We did brilliantly to sign both of them, but regardless of the wages we offered, neither of those players is joining us in the January when their clubs STILL have things to fight for.
January was massively disappointing, but I simply don't see a bad January window as a sign the club has "given up". A bad summer transfer window where the club doesn't really spend anything? Absolutely, that's far more indicative, I think - but I don't see it happening. We might be underwhelmed with the signings, but whether the manager has been backed, or not, will be the key.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 12, 2023, 08:52:29 AM
I saw a meme where villa’s net spend was 7th in the whole of Europe since 2018, so we spend decent sums its just been in a scatter gun manner as we swap a mangers every two years. That level of spending, in a coherent fashion, should see us in and around the unopened places eventually.
Post by: Beard82 on February 12, 2023, 08:57:33 AM
But since Joe left there has been no plan.
Post by: Dave on February 12, 2023, 09:05:10 AM
January was massively disappointing, but I simply don't see a bad January window as a sign the club has "given up".
I don't think we've given up either. I think it's (another) sign that Lange and Purslow aren't very good at their jobs.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 12, 2023, 09:05:43 AM
The challenge with our signings has been a - they’re mostly shit, and b - there is no real strategy or plan behind them. You see teams like Leicester Brentford and Brighton achieve thisBorn out by the three random signings of Buendia Bailey Ings.
But since Joe left there has been no plan.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 12, 2023, 09:06:49 AM
It’s the most logical explanation.January was massively disappointing, but I simply don't see a bad January window as a sign the club has "given up".
I don't think we've given up either. I think it's (another) sign that Lange and Purslow aren't very good at their jobs.
Post by: Smithy on February 12, 2023, 09:13:02 AM
My hunch is that emery was the person that decided to stick rather than twist this January. I’m also confident that NSWE will back Emery in the summer.
I saw a meme where villa’s net spend was 7th in the whole of Europe since 2018, so we spend decent sums its just been in a scatter gun manner as we swap a mangers every two years. That level of spending, in a coherent fashion, should see us in and around the unopened places eventually.
Isn't that basically what he said with the Bert situation? I'm sure he had attackers on his list that he thought were gettable in January, but once we were down to the third or fourth choice (or maybe even lower), the chances are they weren't that much better than Bert so they decided to bring him back rather than fork out millions on player for only a marginal gain. I quite like that approach.
Our net spend since 2018 is obviously very high, but people forget where we were at the start of that period, and what our squad actually looked like. We haven't been adding to an established Premier League squad, we've been buying one from scratch, and then adding to and improving THAT squad. It's easy to spend £100m on 6 or 7 players. Players in the £10m-£20m range are easy to come by (look at Forest), but with a few exceptions they won't move us into the European places.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2023, 10:45:37 AM
For those wondering what he actually said:Thanks for that. And yes a very reasonable and pragmatic from his point of view however there is clear indication for us that he will ask for a move come EOTS.
"I'm still hungry, I want to win the Champions League. Obviously, I would like to do it with Aston Villa, but it will be difficult because the club is still in its growth phase.
"I won the most beautiful title there is with the national team and now I'm aiming for the biggest title. I would like to win a title with Aston Villa but it's complicated, they knocked us out of the FA Cup in January. You should never lose hope. We'll see what will happen. I have the feeling that today I have the level to play in the Champions League and try to win it."
"I thought about leaving football a few years ago. I thought that maybe it wasn't made for me, because it involved me a lot, I trained for hours, but I didn't play. I saw that it wasn't working. Then, four, five years ago, I started working with a psychologist, who helped me not to hit rock bottom. And then I got up. My son was born at this time and I decided not to go on loan anymore. From there, I exploded.
"I came close to playing in Ligue 1 several times when I was younger. PSG is a great club with great players. They aim to win the Champions League every year. Who wouldn't love to play there?! Leo and Kylian are cracks! Partners that any player dreams of having."
He's obviously mentioning PSG because he's talking to a French outlet although it is a little 'come and get me'. Overall it's all pretty reasonable for someone in his position.
Why now rather than at the end of the season is the only question I have on Martinez. Having learned the breaking news, I felt obligated to return to the conversation and debate. I'm not waiting on this rather than at the conclusion of the season because somethings going on here for Emi Martinez.
Don't know why he insists on making so much noise.
Maybe McGinn is returning as captain today and Martinez doesn't like that he's been demoted.
And maybe he's going to PSG as strong hint of that in his interview and is preparing the way for French society to embrace him.
Maybe Emi Martinez's ego couldn't handle the idea that, after his error last week, Emery wants his goalkeeper to play out from the back. This probably brought attention to the fact that Martinez needs to improve, and he doesn't like it??
Maybe he's been told he has to compete for the starting spot?
So our world cup winner is making statements to manage his exit in the best possible light for how he looks but also to us fans since there's a good chance Emery doesn't fancy him
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2023, 10:48:24 AM
If he wants to go and anyone else for that matter I’ll thank him and wish him well but we’ll move on. We won’t get a replacement as good as him but I’d like to think another area of the team will be vastly improved instead.
It didn't work out that way when we sold Grealish.
Correct.
Also, he will go, BTW. When he wanted to stay he came our and said that, was a couple years ago I think. These latest comments say he will look to move at the end of the season.
Since Emery came in, I've had a sneaking suspicion that he will go.
Since Martinez won the World Cup, I've also had a sneaking suspicion he will want Champions league football level and that's now been confirmed.
Put all those issues together and there's only one outcome.
Be prepared if Olsen returns to goalkeeping between now and the end of the season. Maybe he even plays against Manchester City today, if so it will only serve to confirm there's a rift that has been somewhat rumoured and that Martinez is already thinking elsewhere as he's clearly off for champions league football.
Post by: Clampy on February 12, 2023, 11:02:49 AM
Post by: Drummond on February 12, 2023, 11:05:15 AM
Anyway, nobody is leaving until the summer. By that point, we'll have deals lined up, of that in sure. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find new contracts being offered and signed (or perhaps rejected) in the intervening period.
If we had no ambition, we wouldn't be ploughing as much into the stadium development, and we wouldn't have spent what we have on getting rhw squad to where it is. Just look how far we've come since the League Cup final.
Emery hadn't finiehd lower than 9th I don't think, and I suspect that will continue this season.
January is notoriously difficult to recruit in. The summer less so. Coutinho was an ambitious move, that hasn't quite born fruit, yet. Kamara is a great deal, Dhuran was very highly regarded too. We're building something here, it's coming xwere all excited about it and are so hungry for success we want it now. We deserve it given whst we've put up with over the past decades.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2023, 11:11:22 AM
That was a long break Footy.
Well it's Martinez fault because if he waited to make comments end of season then there would be no debate.
He's now fuelled the fire to whats going on and if he will be in complete first choice to season end and which Champions League club he is signing for.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2023, 11:14:07 AM
Oh FFS.Thats a good positive outcome and look.
Anyway, nobody is leaving until the summer. By that point, we'll have deals lined up, of that in sure. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find new contracts being offered and signed (or perhaps rejected) in the intervening period.
If we had no ambition, we wouldn't be ploughing as much into the stadium development, and we wouldn't have spent what we have on getting rhw squad to where it is. Just look how far we've come since the League Cup final.
Emery hadn't finiehd lower than 9th I don't think, and I suspect that will continue this season.
January is notoriously difficult to recruit in. The summer less so. Coutinho was an ambitious move, that hasn't quite born fruit, yet. Kamara is a great deal, Dhuran was very highly regarded too. We're building something here, it's coming xwere all excited about it and are so hungry for success we want it now. We deserve it given whst we've put up with over the past decades.
And a great post to remember!
And of course we have Emery an elite manager who is only going to progress the players and the club.
Have a good sunday and lets get the win today drummond!
Up The Villa!
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2023, 11:14:17 AM
Be prepared if Olsen returns to goalkeeping between now and the end of the season. Maybe he even plays against Manchester City today, if so it will only serve to confirm there's a rift that has been somewhat rumoured and that Martinez is already thinking elsewhere as he's clearly off for champions league football.
Honestly, do you have a proper think before you type this stuff?
There's more chance of me starting against Man City today than Olsen.
Post by: Clampy on February 12, 2023, 11:15:28 AM
Be prepared if Olsen returns to goalkeeping between now and the end of the season. Maybe he even plays against Manchester City today, if so it will only serve to confirm there's a rift that has been somewhat rumoured and that Martinez is already thinking elsewhere as he's clearly off for champions league football.
Honestly, do you have a proper think before you type this stuff?
I think it depends on which one is writing it.
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on February 12, 2023, 11:17:33 AM
All the fans want to hear that beautiful music Zadok the monk at Villa Park, and its refreshing to hear it from a player too, It's the board, who despite their narrative, have the handbrake on.
Of course I expect Martinez to leave for £60m which will be used for 2 or 3 moneyball signings.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2023, 11:18:30 AM
Who was in goal last game of season at Man City? So he's played there more than you! Though maybe you have played there I don't know! I was only saying.Be prepared if Olsen returns to goalkeeping between now and the end of the season. Maybe he even plays against Manchester City today, if so it will only serve to confirm there's a rift that has been somewhat rumoured and that Martinez is already thinking elsewhere as he's clearly off for champions league football.
Honestly, do you have a proper think before you type this stuff?
There's more chance of me starting against Man City today than Olsen.
Anyway that just more speculation than think he'll actually start as Martinez is better but if there's any issue after the comments or that in training there was a rift then Olsen is number 2.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2023, 11:24:14 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2023, 11:25:48 AM
Olsen was in goal because Martinez had a knee injury.Exactly ahead of paulinewalnuts! So Olsen would be selected more likely than Paulinewalnuts today too.
So doesn't make sense if someone actually thinks they would start in goal ahead of Olsen!
Post by: Richard E on February 12, 2023, 11:31:27 AM
Post by: Dave on February 12, 2023, 11:33:45 AM
Why now rather than at the end of the season is the only question I have on Martinez.
Because the interview with France Football was now rather than at the end of the season.
Post by: Clampy on February 12, 2023, 11:35:57 AM
Pauliewalnuts had a hamstring injury.
I think he'd been to Dublin the weekend before.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2023, 12:02:46 PM
Pauliewalnuts had a hamstring injury.
I think he'd been to Dublin the weekend before.
Also, Olsen is a better person than me.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 12, 2023, 12:05:46 PM
Although of course Man City are going to win because they lost last week as well.
So it should be a great game!
Post by: Mister E on February 12, 2023, 12:09:16 PM
One of the plus points we've got at the moment is that we can point to Martinez when trying to sign other world class players. When Martinez is insinuating that we're not advanced enough for him, and issues a thinly-veiled "come and get me" statement, it doesn't scream of an ambitious club.Agreed, but at the same time where was Martinez in his career-path before we brought him,, and what did he win when he was a Villa player?
These are marketable factors when looking to bring in new players, but it does require a top-level Sporting Director and much more forward-planning re player-acquisition than appears to be the case currently.
Post by: Mister E on February 12, 2023, 12:13:23 PM
Nope. Bundia was bought in to play in a Grealish-Villa team. Bailey - I'm guessing - had been scouted and targeted as a a winger that would either complement or switch with Buendia / Grealish and offer the opposition something else to think about (hmmm!).The challenge with our signings has been a - they’re mostly shit, and b - there is no real strategy or plan behind them. You see teams like Leicester Brentford and Brighton achieve thisBorn out by the three random signings of Buendia Bailey Ings.
But since Joe left there has been no plan.
Ings - granted - was a kneejerk from Purslow in the wake of JG's departure.
Post by: Richard E on February 12, 2023, 12:15:25 PM
I don’t know what you’re all worried about. Footy says we’re going to win because we lost last week.
Although of course Man City are going to win because they lost last week as well.
So it should be a great game!
Schrodinger’s football.
Post by: Mister E on February 12, 2023, 12:16:37 PM
Olsen was in goal because Martinez had a knee injury.I'd be amazed if Olsen plays for Villa again.
Post by: Richard E on February 12, 2023, 12:18:54 PM
Olsen was in goal because Martinez had a knee injury.I'd be amazed if Olsen plays for Villa again.
I’d be horrified if Olsen plays for Villa again.
Post by: Mister E on February 12, 2023, 12:19:43 PM
Touche, Richard :-)Olsen was in goal because Martinez had a knee injury.I'd be amazed if Olsen plays for Villa again.
I’d be horrified if Olsen plays for Villa again.
Post by: pablo_picasso on February 12, 2023, 12:56:32 PM
If he wants to go and anyone else for that matter I’ll thank him and wish him well but we’ll move on. We won’t get a replacement as good as him but I’d like to think another area of the team will be vastly improved instead.
It didn't work out that way when we sold Grealish.
Correct.
Also, he will go, BTW. When he wanted to stay he came our and said that, was a couple years ago I think. These latest comments say he will look to move at the end of the season.
Since Emery came in, I've had a sneaking suspicion that he will go.
Since Martinez won the World Cup, I've also had a sneaking suspicion he will want Champions league football level and that's now been confirmed.
Put all those issues together and there's only one outcome.
Be prepared if Olsen returns to goalkeeping between now and the end of the season. Maybe he even plays against Manchester City today, if so it will only serve to confirm there's a rift that has been somewhat rumoured and that Martinez is already thinking elsewhere as he's clearly off for champions league football.
Are you Lee Hendrie?
All the "like I say", "As I said", "I told you so", sound very Hendrie-ish...
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2023, 12:58:02 PM
Up the Villa.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2023, 12:59:24 PM
Haha. Thats so true. He does.If he wants to go and anyone else for that matter I’ll thank him and wish him well but we’ll move on. We won’t get a replacement as good as him but I’d like to think another area of the team will be vastly improved instead.
It didn't work out that way when we sold Grealish.
Correct.
Also, he will go, BTW. When he wanted to stay he came our and said that, was a couple years ago I think. These latest comments say he will look to move at the end of the season.
Since Emery came in, I've had a sneaking suspicion that he will go.
Since Martinez won the World Cup, I've also had a sneaking suspicion he will want Champions league football level and that's now been confirmed.
Put all those issues together and there's only one outcome.
Be prepared if Olsen returns to goalkeeping between now and the end of the season. Maybe he even plays against Manchester City today, if so it will only serve to confirm there's a rift that has been somewhat rumoured and that Martinez is already thinking elsewhere as he's clearly off for champions league football.
Are you Lee Hendrie?
All the "like I say", "As I said", "I told you so", sound very Hendrie-ish...
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 12, 2023, 03:16:17 PM
Post by: Bad English on February 12, 2023, 03:17:09 PM
I like it. Everyone seemingly on form today on all the threads! Can feel the love! And the elements of humour but not in a vicious manner. Well playedThat is nice. That said, can any of you point to where people have been "vicious"?
Up the Villa.
Post by: wince on February 12, 2023, 03:30:39 PM
I like it. Everyone seemingly on form today on all the threads! Can feel the love! And the elements of humour but not in a vicious manner. Well playedThat is nice. That said, can any of you point to where people have been "vicious"?
Up the Villa.
Any post when LeeB mentions his caravan.
Post by: adrenachrome on February 12, 2023, 10:23:26 PM
I like it. Everyone seemingly on form today on all the threads! Can feel the love! And the elements of humour but not in a vicious manner. Well playedThat is nice. That said, can any of you point to where people have been "vicious"?
Up the Villa.
Any post when LeeB mentions his caravan.
Yeah, that's a heavy scene man. Way harsh.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2023, 10:28:50 PM
I like it. Everyone seemingly on form today on all the threads! Can feel the love! And the elements of humour but not in a vicious manner. Well playedThat is nice. That said, can any of you point to where people have been "vicious"?
Up the Villa.
Any post when LeeB mentions his caravan.
Yeah, that's a heavy scene man. Way harsh.
It's not the caravan that riled me, it's the revelation he's a Tory landowner.
Post by: adrenachrome on February 12, 2023, 10:32:34 PM
I lived in Kansas for the best part of a decade, and you don't want to see a Trailer Park after a Tornado has ripped through it.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2023, 10:36:52 PM
When Hull based beat combo wrote their hit song "The Caravan of Love", they were surely kidding around.
I lived in Kansas for the best part of a decade, and you don't want to see a Trailer Park after a Tornado has ripped through it.
Warman is based out of his in Oswestry full time now he's retired.
Friend of mine spoke to Nick Owen, said he'd been down there to see him a couple of weeks ago, and it's not good. He's gone full 'native', started wearing animal horns and a fox tail. Bill Roache is inducting him into druidism.
THAT is caravans for you.
Post by: adrenachrome on February 12, 2023, 10:46:52 PM
When Hull based beat combo wrote their hit song "The Caravan of Love", they were surely kidding around.
I lived in Kansas for the best part of a decade, and you don't want to see a Trailer Park after a Tornado has ripped through it.
Warman is based out of his in Oswestry full time now he's retired.
Friend of mine spoke to Nick Owen, said he'd been down there to see him a couple of weeks ago, and it's not good. He's gone full 'native', started wearing animal horns and a fox tail. Bill Roache is inducting him into druidism.
THAT is caravans for you.
That's it, right there.
The road to perdition with no redemption in sight.
Warman was a thoroughly good cove, but he has succumbed to the calls of The Wild. Ken Barlow will have him dancing around a Maypole double quick time, and a Wicker Basket awaits the poor fellow.
Post by: LeeB on February 13, 2023, 08:18:22 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on February 13, 2023, 08:34:20 AM
When Hull based beat combo wrote their hit song "The Caravan of Love", they were surely kidding around.
I lived in Kansas for the best part of a decade, and you don't want to see a Trailer Park after a Tornado has ripped through it.
When Cincinnati based vocal group The Isley Brothers wrote their hit song…
Post by: Risso on February 13, 2023, 11:47:37 AM
When Hull based beat combo wrote their hit song "The Caravan of Love", they were surely kidding around.
I lived in Kansas for the best part of a decade, and you don't want to see a Trailer Park after a Tornado has ripped through it.
When Cincinnati based vocal group The Isley Brothers wrote their hit song…
New Jersey based Isley-Jasper-Isley to be even more precise. They left Cincinnati many years earlier,.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 16, 2023, 08:46:18 AM
And have also suggested Raya and Sanchez who are Spanish to come in.
Words in the news by ITK Tom Collomosse
"Aston Villa could listen to offers for World Cup winner Emiliano Martinez but would demand a high price to help fund a summer rebuild, with a decision on the goalkeeper's future resting with Unai Emery"
There are other first-teamers Emery may be willing to sell, like full-backs Lucas Digne or Matty Cash, but with little chance of making a significant profit. Martinez, on the other hand, was bought for about £16m from Arsenal in summer 2020 and is now worth substantially more.
Ultimately, the decision on Martinez’s future will fall to Emery, who has more power than any Villa manager since Martin O’Neill. Should the Spaniard believe there is a goalkeeper more suited to his style of play, it would open the door to a sale.
Because English is not his first language, Emery’s words are sometimes difficult to decode but it is all there if you look closely enough.
After the 4-2 defeat at Leicester, when Villa presented Leicester with their first goal as they tried to play from defence, Emery’s verdict was telling. ‘We have to be ambitious and play better but the process needs time. I want to continue building play from the goalkeeper. We have to learn – we can’t play long ball, long ball, long ball.
‘The most difficult step we have to make is to play well with the ball. That is more difficult than playing with a good attitude and being consistent defensively.’
Martinez is an outstanding shot-stopper, commands his box well and his strong personality is reassuring for defenders. Yet not even Martinez’s greatest fans would say he was at his best with the ball at his feet.
Brentford goalkeeper David Raya is outstanding in this aspect and will have a number of clubs chasing him this summer. Robert Sanchez of Brighton is in the same boat. If Villa could land either of those players for less than they sold Martinez, it might be a deal to suit everyone."
For all he's worth and all the noise I fully see Martinez and also Olsen leaving this summer.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on February 16, 2023, 08:57:23 AM
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2023, 09:17:21 AM
Post by: LeeB on February 16, 2023, 09:23:56 AM
Selling our best players to fund summer spends worked out really badly when we sold Grealish, and I don't see it turning out any better if we sold Martinez.
The only time it worked was Platty.
Post by: darren woolley on February 16, 2023, 09:28:21 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 16, 2023, 09:33:01 AM
When Hull based beat combo wrote their hit song "The Caravan of Love", they were surely kidding around.
I lived in Kansas for the best part of a decade, and you don't want to see a Trailer Park after a Tornado has ripped through it.
Isley Brothers mate.
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 16, 2023, 09:34:33 AM
Selling our best players to fund summer spends worked out really badly when we sold Grealish, and I don't see it turning out any better if we sold Martinez.
The only time it worked was Platty.
Plus Gray and McInally, and arguably Yorke.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 16, 2023, 09:34:49 AM
Selling our best players to fund summer spends worked out really badly when we sold Grealish, and I don't see it turning out any better if we sold Martinez.
Nope.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 16, 2023, 09:55:21 AM
Selling our best players to fund summer spends worked out really badly when we sold Grealish, and I don't see it turning out any better if we sold Martinez.
The only time it worked was Platty.
Plus Gray and McInally, and arguably Yorke.
Those are all really, really long ago. Even Yorke was a quarter of a century back.
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2023, 10:05:22 AM
When Hull based beat combo wrote their hit song "The Caravan of Love", they were surely kidding around.
I lived in Kansas for the best part of a decade, and you don't want to see a Trailer Park after a Tornado has ripped through it.
Isley Brothers mate.
When Hull based beat combo wrote their hit song "The Caravan of Love", they were surely kidding around.
I lived in Kansas for the best part of a decade, and you don't want to see a Trailer Park after a Tornado has ripped through it.
When Cincinnati based vocal group The Isley Brothers wrote their hit song…
New Jersey based Isley-Jasper-Isley to be even more precise. They left Cincinnati many years earlier,.
Post by: LeeB on February 16, 2023, 10:11:44 AM
Selling our best players to fund summer spends worked out really badly when we sold Grealish, and I don't see it turning out any better if we sold Martinez.
The only time it worked was Platty.
Plus Gray and McInally, and arguably Yorke.
Gray yes, a bit before my time. McInally though? We had a better season no doubt but I reckon we'd have won that league with him up top, and half of what we got for him went on Adrian Heath. The fact the other half went of the greatest centre half that ever does back your claim though.
We improved initially with the Yorke money but it was squandered on old players and decline soon set in.
Post by: villa for life on February 16, 2023, 10:20:55 AM
Where we’ve gone wrong before is we’ve split the money too many ways, which is much more of a gamble.
2 x 50 million pound players or 1 x 75 million player and a 25 million player might have had more impact than the 3 we bought with the Grealish money.
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 16, 2023, 10:27:13 AM
Selling our best players to fund summer spends worked out really badly when we sold Grealish, and I don't see it turning out any better if we sold Martinez.
The only time it worked was Platty.
Plus Gray and McInally, and arguably Yorke.
Gray yes, a bit before my time. McInally though? We had a better season no doubt but I reckon we'd have won that league with him up top, and half of what we got for him went on Adrian Heath. The fact the other half went of the greatest centre half that ever does back your claim though.
We improved initially with the Yorke money but it was squandered on old players and decline soon set in.
McInally is a weird one. He was here for two seasons, crap for all but four months yet he's still thought of as a folk hero. Getting the money we did for him was borderline grand larceny.
Post by: LeeB on February 16, 2023, 10:35:06 AM
Selling our best players to fund summer spends worked out really badly when we sold Grealish, and I don't see it turning out any better if we sold Martinez.
The only time it worked was Platty.
Plus Gray and McInally, and arguably Yorke.
Gray yes, a bit before my time. McInally though? We had a better season no doubt but I reckon we'd have won that league with him up top, and half of what we got for him went on Adrian Heath. The fact the other half went of the greatest centre half that ever does back your claim though.
We improved initially with the Yorke money but it was squandered on old players and decline soon set in.
McInally is a weird one. He was here for two seasons, crap for all but four months yet he's still thought of as a folk hero. Getting the money we did for him was borderline grand larceny.
Well he played 30 times for Bayern Munich and scored 10 goals and they won their league after signing so he can't have been all that bad.
His style was the kind that gets you off your seat and that's why he's remembered as such, a big powerful player that ran at people with the ball.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on February 16, 2023, 10:38:07 AM
I’d say sell if he wants to go and we can get a decent price.
Where we’ve gone wrong before is we’ve split the money too many ways, which is much more of a gamble.
2 x 50 million pound players or 1 x 75 million player and a 25 million player might have had more impact than the 3 we bought with the Grealish money.
This is where I am at the moment. If he wants to go, then sell. He's probably at his career peak right now, so we're in charge to get as much as possible for him.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 16, 2023, 10:43:25 AM
I’d say sell if he wants to go and we can get a decent price.Firstly, we're not geting £100m for a keeper.
Where we’ve gone wrong before is we’ve split the money too many ways, which is much more of a gamble.
2 x 50 million pound players or 1 x 75 million player and a 25 million player might have had more impact than the 3 we bought with the Grealish money.
Secondly, the first £35m or so has to go on a replacement keeper - and we're paying a premium price as the seller knows we're desperate.
So if we sell for £70m ish, we may have a profit of £35 ish to improve the team. Are we so strapped with FFP that this would make a tangible difference? With our net spend over the last two seasons I just can't see how it would.
Other than Martinez downing tools I just can't see any way that selling him is to our advantage with where we want to be. We should be looking at Newcastle and thinking 'why can't we do that?' Their owners should be mostly irrelevant at this point as we have the same FFP restrictions and their income shouldn't be dramatically more than ours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 16, 2023, 11:52:55 AM
Sinisalo 21 , Filip Marschall 19, Zych 18.
I believe we will get an experienced goalkeeper, but there should be paths for all of our players. But it's more difficult with goalkeepers however they would perhaps be more suited to possession and playing ball with feet than older keepers.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 17, 2023, 09:19:23 AM
Interview with Neil Cutler our former Goalkeeping coach.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64568155
Post by: nigel on February 17, 2023, 09:47:00 AM
I’d say sell if he wants to go and we can get a decent price.Firstly, we're not geting £100m for a keeper.
Where we’ve gone wrong before is we’ve split the money too many ways, which is much more of a gamble.
2 x 50 million pound players or 1 x 75 million player and a 25 million player might have had more impact than the 3 we bought with the Grealish money.
Secondly, the first £35m or so has to go on a replacement keeper - and we're paying a premium price as the seller knows we're desperate.
So if we sell for £70m ish, we may have a profit of £35 ish to improve the team. Are we so strapped with FFP that this would make a tangible difference? With our net spend over the last two seasons I just can't see how it would.
Other than Martinez downing tools I just can't see any way that selling him is to our advantage with where we want to be. We should be looking at Newcastle and thinking 'why can't we do that?' Their owners should be mostly irrelevant at this point as we have the same FFP restrictions and their income shouldn't be dramatically more than ours.
I think the £100m he’s on about is the Grealish money, mate
Emi certainly won’t ‘down tools’, as he does love the Villa.
I do think if an offer came in , let’s say from PSG, he would want to go. They would have to meet our valuation, though, and that would need to be around £70m-£80m
Post by: Duncan Shaw on February 17, 2023, 09:50:53 AM
Why would we be selling him? I don't think we will.
Post by: brontebilly on February 17, 2023, 09:55:33 AM
We have a world cup winning keeper, who may just get voted as the best in the world, who publicly states he loves it here and wants to win things with us.
Why would we be selling him? I don't think we will.
If he pushes to leave for a club in CL then we will do well to stop him going. Especially as Raya at our feeder club is refusing to sign a new contract. In our team of short arses, Martinez ability to physically dominate the box would be sorely missed. He's a top keeper.
Post by: LeeB on February 17, 2023, 10:04:32 AM
We have a world cup winning keeper, who may just get voted as the best in the world, who publicly states he loves it here and wants to win things with us.
Why would we be selling him? I don't think we will.
If he pushes to leave for a club in CL then we will do well to stop him going. Especially as Raya at our feeder club is refusing to sign a new contract. In our team of short arses, Martinez ability to physically dominate the box would be sorely missed. He's a top keeper.
There's an ethereal quality with goalkeepers, at any level, where their manner just excudes calm and confidence from their teammates. Martinez has this in spades and it was evident from the first minute in our colours.
Going back into the past, I don't think David Seaman was the most talented keeper by any stretch but he had the same thing, it goes a long way.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 17, 2023, 02:59:13 PM
We have a world cup winning keeper, who may just get voted as the best in the world, who publicly states he loves it here and wants to win things with us.
Why would we be selling him? I don't think we will.
If he pushes to leave for a club in CL then we will do well to stop him going. Especially as Raya at our feeder club is refusing to sign a new contract. In our team of short arses, Martinez ability to physically dominate the box would be sorely missed. He's a top keeper.
Going back into the past, I don't think David Seaman was the most talented keeper by any stretch but he had the same thing, it goes a long way.
Calm and confidence are not words I'd have used if I'd been stuck in a room with him back in the day. That 'tache and pony tail combo would have me terrified he'd slip me a Mickey and have me on a video while I was under.
Post by: LeeB on February 17, 2023, 03:23:33 PM
We have a world cup winning keeper, who may just get voted as the best in the world, who publicly states he loves it here and wants to win things with us.
Why would we be selling him? I don't think we will.
If he pushes to leave for a club in CL then we will do well to stop him going. Especially as Raya at our feeder club is refusing to sign a new contract. In our team of short arses, Martinez ability to physically dominate the box would be sorely missed. He's a top keeper.
Going back into the past, I don't think David Seaman was the most talented keeper by any stretch but he had the same thing, it goes a long way.
Calm and confidence are not words I'd have used if I'd been stuck in a room with him back in the day. That 'tache and pony tail combo would have me terrified he'd slip me a Mickey and have me on a video while I was under.
Big 'Bedroom Secrets of the Masterchefs' vibes going on there
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 17, 2023, 03:25:32 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 17, 2023, 06:43:12 PM
Inside Emi Martinez’s bid to be world’s best goalkeeper
Interview with Neil Cutler our former Goalkeeping coach.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64568155
It’s a good article. One big blot on Emery’s scorecard is getting rid of Cutler. Just didn’t seem necessary.
There’s also an insight into how Lange etc works with the manager and coaches. How Cutler describes it seems a pretty good balance of stats and also the eye-test.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 17, 2023, 08:41:54 PM
It doesn’t look great to sell a high profile player but I’d be confident he could be replaced without falling off a cliff.
At the end of the day I want players who want to play for us.
Post by: Beard82 on February 17, 2023, 08:47:02 PM
We can kid ourselves were better off - but the message it sends to the world is the same as every time - were a stepping stone club
Maybe for once we wont waste the money - but the message it sends is all wrong. Newcastle aren't going to sale Pope and hes nowhere near as good as Emi
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 17, 2023, 09:02:08 PM
Post by: Beard82 on February 17, 2023, 09:03:12 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 17, 2023, 09:13:17 PM
I see what your saying - but we dont handle losing our best players well
Well unfortunately it’s something we’re going to have to get better at because until we’re featuring regular in Europe or at the very least challenging the better players won’t stop for long.
Post by: olaftab on February 18, 2023, 02:49:52 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on February 18, 2023, 02:50:43 PM
Martinez needs to realise that saving couple of pens from very nervous takers in a final doesn’t make you a good keeper. He has been terrible recently. Crap at his main job and embarrassing with his other antics.
Agreed, mate. I'm sick to death of his recent performances
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 18, 2023, 02:52:21 PM
Martinez needs to realise that saving couple of pens from very nervous takers in a final doesn’t make you a good keeper. He has been terrible recently. Crap at his main job and embarrassing with his other antics.
Agreed, mate. I'm sick to death of his recent performances
The time wasting gets on my tits buts he’s been okay other than that. Two freak goals today were hardly his fault.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 18, 2023, 02:53:35 PM
Post by: Monty on February 18, 2023, 02:54:35 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 18, 2023, 02:57:47 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 18, 2023, 02:58:16 PM
Martinez needs to realise that saving couple of pens from very nervous takers in a final doesn’t make you a good keeper. He has been terrible recently. Crap at his main job and embarrassing with his other antics.
Agreed, mate. I'm sick to death of his recent performances
The time wasting gets on my tits buts he’s been okay other than that. Two freak goals today were hardly his fault.
Sorry for the final goal, which was obviously his fault because he decided to be up for a corner and was miles away from the goal.
11 goals conceded in three games.
Digne didn't even look to play the set piece near him, and I'm sure some of the other players weren't thrilled with him being up there for the corner.
Ego got the better of him
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 18, 2023, 02:59:14 PM
Martinez needs to realise that saving couple of pens from very nervous takers in a final doesn’t make you a good keeper. He has been terrible recently. Crap at his main job and embarrassing with his other antics.
Agreed, mate. I'm sick to death of his recent performances
The time wasting gets on my tits buts he’s been okay other than that. Two freak goals today were hardly his fault.
Sorry for the final goal, which was obviously his fault because he decided to be up for a corner and was miles away from the goal.
11 goals conceded in three games.
Digne didn't even look to play the set piece near him, and I'm sure some of the other players weren't thrilled with him being up there for the corner.
Ego got the better of him
Without wishing to be unkind Footy, that’s just utter bollocks.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 18, 2023, 03:00:19 PM
He kept it to single figures against Man City, not at fault for any goals today, still has somewhat ropey distribution but is probably the best keeper taking a cross under pressure I've ever seen, and he does that so much we hardly even notice anymore. I really, really, really don't want to bring out the F word but, complaints about his shithousing aside, turning on Martinez would be about the most dumb, bratty, spoiled fan-bullshit imaginable.Yes he was for the final goal! That doesn’t happen if he stayed in goal rather than go up for the corner. No way can that goal occur
So thats on Martinez.
Post by: Monty on February 18, 2023, 03:01:23 PM
He kept it to single figures against Man City, not at fault for any goals today, still has somewhat ropey distribution but is probably the best keeper taking a cross under pressure I've ever seen, and he does that so much we hardly even notice anymore. I really, really, really don't want to bring out the F word but, complaints about his shithousing aside, turning on Martinez would be about the most dumb, bratty, spoiled fan-bullshit imaginable.Yes he was for the final goal! That doesn’t happen if he stayed in goal rather than go up for the corner. No way can that goal occur
So thats on Martinez.
Every keeper in the entire world goes up for that. Not their fault if the corner's terrible.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 18, 2023, 03:01:35 PM
No no you strongly disagree thats fair but I just don't see Martinelli scoring that goal if Martinez was actually in goal for our last minute corner.Martinez needs to realise that saving couple of pens from very nervous takers in a final doesn’t make you a good keeper. He has been terrible recently. Crap at his main job and embarrassing with his other antics.
Agreed, mate. I'm sick to death of his recent performances
The time wasting gets on my tits buts he’s been okay other than that. Two freak goals today were hardly his fault.
Sorry for the final goal, which was obviously his fault because he decided to be up for a corner and was miles away from the goal.
11 goals conceded in three games.
Digne didn't even look to play the set piece near him, and I'm sure some of the other players weren't thrilled with him being up there for the corner.
Ego got the better of him
Without wishing to be unkind Footy, that’s just utter bollocks.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 18, 2023, 03:02:00 PM
Post by: TonyD on February 18, 2023, 03:02:57 PM
Yes he is miles better than our number two but best keeper in the world my arse.
I thought his antics at the World Cup were pure cringe playing for a team oozing with cheats.
If someone comes in with decent money we should bite their hand off.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 18, 2023, 03:03:16 PM
Well I don't know why the set piece was not more directed to him and actually any of our players. If only because can't afford to lose the ball when the keeper is way out of his nets.He kept it to single figures against Man City, not at fault for any goals today, still has somewhat ropey distribution but is probably the best keeper taking a cross under pressure I've ever seen, and he does that so much we hardly even notice anymore. I really, really, really don't want to bring out the F word but, complaints about his shithousing aside, turning on Martinez would be about the most dumb, bratty, spoiled fan-bullshit imaginable.Yes he was for the final goal! That doesn’t happen if he stayed in goal rather than go up for the corner. No way can that goal occur
So thats on Martinez.
Every keeper in the entire world goes up for that. Not their fault if the corner's terrible.
Post by: ez on February 18, 2023, 03:03:42 PM
He kept it to single figures against Man City, not at fault for any goals today, still has somewhat ropey distribution but is probably the best keeper taking a cross under pressure I've ever seen, and he does that so much we hardly even notice anymore. I really, really, really don't want to bring out the F word but, complaints about his shithousing aside, turning on Martinez would be about the most dumb, bratty, spoiled fan-bullshit imaginable.Yes he was for the final goal! That doesn’t happen if he stayed in goal rather than go up for the corner. No way can that goal occur
So thats on Martinez.
Every keeper in the entire world goes up for that. Not their fault if the corner's terrible.
It was crap wasn't it. Straight to the cluster of arsenal players.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 18, 2023, 03:03:57 PM
Post by: Risso on February 18, 2023, 03:03:58 PM
Post by: Smirker on February 18, 2023, 03:04:44 PM
Post by: Monty on February 18, 2023, 03:06:03 PM
The Arse fans were ripping the piss out of him for 5 minutes solid after the final whistle. He’s been a nightmare the last 3 games.
How? Again, what was his fault? Again, against City he kept it down to double figures.
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 18, 2023, 03:06:20 PM
He was far worse away to Brighton feigning injury and all that yet not much was said.
We will certainly miss him when he's gone given what else we've had in goal in last decade.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 18, 2023, 03:07:55 PM
Sorry lads but he is still one of the best in the world 8)Can agree on that.
But was another needless yellow card.
Post by: Rudy65 on February 18, 2023, 03:07:56 PM
Just looks like he want to be somewhere else since the WC.
He will be gone in the summer. And I wouldn't blame him. He is at the top of his game
Post by: olaftab on February 18, 2023, 03:08:23 PM
I hate how even our own fans say how fickle we can be at times. Fuck all fickle having most debating a month ago if he's the best keeper they've ever seen play for us and now saying he's crap and embarrassing.I, for one, never said he was the best keeper we have ever had not by a long way.
Post by: Monty on February 18, 2023, 03:08:34 PM
I hate how even our own fans say how fickle we can be at times. Fuck all fickle having most debating a month ago if he's the best keeper they've ever seen play for us and now saying he's crap and embarrassing.
To be fair I don't think this is a Villa thing. Probably more an internet thing.
Post by: TonyD on February 18, 2023, 03:09:30 PM
The Arse fans were ripping the piss out of him for 5 minutes solid after the final whistle. He’s been a nightmare the last 3 games.He certainly got Citeh on their way for their first goal.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 18, 2023, 03:09:49 PM
I hate how even our own fans say how fickle we can be at times. Fuck all fickle having most debating a month ago if he's the best keeper they've ever seen play for us and now saying he's crap and embarrassing.I, for one, never said he was the best keeper we have ever had not by a long way.
Either way your reaction is well over the top.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 18, 2023, 03:09:55 PM
I hate how even our own fans say how fickle we can be at times. Fuck all fickle having most debating a month ago if he's the best keeper they've ever seen play for us and now saying he's crap and embarrassing.I, for one, never said he was the best keeper we have ever had not by a long way.
Probably why I said "most were debating if he was" rather than "everyone was saying he was".
Post by: olaftab on February 18, 2023, 03:11:56 PM
Against city other than conceding 3 he made 2/3 reasonable saves, the sort that any good keeper should make. Let’s not revise that to preventing double digit scoreline.The Arse fans were ripping the piss out of him for 5 minutes solid after the final whistle. He’s been a nightmare the last 3 games.
How? Again, what was his fault? Again, against City he kept it down to double figures.
Post by: Monty on February 18, 2023, 03:13:22 PM
Post by: olaftab on February 18, 2023, 03:18:30 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 18, 2023, 03:23:56 PM
Wrong.No no you strongly disagree thats fair but I just don't see Martinelli scoring that goal if Martinez was actually in goal for our last minute corner.Martinez needs to realise that saving couple of pens from very nervous takers in a final doesn’t make you a good keeper. He has been terrible recently. Crap at his main job and embarrassing with his other antics.
Agreed, mate. I'm sick to death of his recent performances
The time wasting gets on my tits buts he’s been okay other than that. Two freak goals today were hardly his fault.
Sorry for the final goal, which was obviously his fault because he decided to be up for a corner and was miles away from the goal.
11 goals conceded in three games.
Digne didn't even look to play the set piece near him, and I'm sure some of the other players weren't thrilled with him being up there for the corner.
Ego got the better of him
Without wishing to be unkind Footy, that’s just utter bollocks.
I knew it!
And Emery has now publicly called out Martinez . Calling it silly mistakes
Unai said he has never asked a goal keeper to go up for corner .never!
He said he doesn't know the exact data of likelihood of goalkeper scoring from a corner but saying he doesn't want a keeper doing that. Its not Emery way and players must learn his ways.
Called out!
Shocking behaviour by Martinez.
Post by: LukeJames on February 18, 2023, 03:26:44 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 18, 2023, 03:27:11 PM
So we should have shut up shop and protected that 2-3 for the last 20 seconds? What a load of utter bollocks.You do what manager says.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 18, 2023, 03:27:17 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 18, 2023, 03:27:38 PM
Even if that is the case - and it’s very odd for Emery to call it out in public - it doesn’t change the fact it’s a very normal thing to do.May be the case but it was unauthorised by Martinez and no instructions to do that.
100% I heard it and saw it that Emery has called him out. Your'll see.
Post by: LukeJames on February 18, 2023, 03:28:33 PM
And look how excited its got you.Even if that is the case - and it’s very odd for Emery to call it out in public - it doesn’t change the fact it’s a very normal thing to do.100% I heard it and saw it
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 18, 2023, 03:28:56 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 18, 2023, 03:29:37 PM
Well I do admire being right and when its shot down when was actually right people should be more respecting.And look how excited its got you.Even if that is the case - and it’s very odd for Emery to call it out in public - it doesn’t change the fact it’s a very normal thing to do.100% I heard it and saw it
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 18, 2023, 03:30:51 PM
Well I do admire being right and when its shot down when was actually right people should be more respecting.And look how excited its got you.Even if that is the case - and it’s very odd for Emery to call it out in public - it doesn’t change the fact it’s a very normal thing to do.100% I heard it and saw it
How about you just keep quiet and stop winding people up?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 18, 2023, 03:32:08 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 18, 2023, 03:35:11 PM
He's also not as good as he thinks he is.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 18, 2023, 03:35:30 PM
I won't say anymore. People don't want to hear when have true info.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 18, 2023, 03:37:18 PM
Ok sorry. I won't go on. Its just prefer players to follow managers orders. I will say no more. Don't want to annoy anyone as I'm annoyed too.Well I do admire being right and when its shot down when was actually right people should be more respecting.And look how excited its got you.Even if that is the case - and it’s very odd for Emery to call it out in public - it doesn’t change the fact it’s a very normal thing to do.100% I heard it and saw it
How about you just keep quiet and stop winding people up?
Say no more.
Post by: Risso on February 18, 2023, 03:44:30 PM
The Arse fans were ripping the piss out of him for 5 minutes solid after the final whistle. He’s been a nightmare the last 3 games.
How? Again, what was his fault? Again, against City he kept it down to double figures.
At least five kick outs straight into touch, including the one that led to the first goal.
Post by: Risso on February 18, 2023, 03:45:21 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 18, 2023, 03:46:25 PM
I still don’t think you’re right - even if the manager doesn’t have goalkeepers go up for corners. That’s an odd quirk of the manager, but it’s a perfectly reasonable risk based decision to take in the 97th minute when you have a corner and you’re losing.
I don't actually think it is a reasonable risk based decision because, actually, the chances of a goalkeeper scoring or actually helping the scoring of a goal from a corner are so low. In fact, the more likely scenario is that even if the ball does come anywhere near him, the goalkeeper coming up into the box will just get in the way of his own players in his desperation to be involved.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 18, 2023, 03:47:01 PM
Post by: rougegorge on February 18, 2023, 03:51:05 PM
Right now as good as he is, Emi isn’t enough to stop what is poor defensive discipline in front of him. I’d sooner we became a solid defensive outfit like the path Newcastle has taken than being so open. Martinez makes a much bigger difference then.He can't be absolved from the defensive indiscipline himself though.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 18, 2023, 03:52:07 PM
Right now as good as he is, Emi isn’t enough to stop what is poor defensive discipline in front of him. I’d sooner we became a solid defensive outfit like the path Newcastle has taken than being so open. Martinez makes a much bigger difference then.He can't be absolved from the defensive indiscipline himself though.
No, he’s accountable too. But however good a keeper is he’s going to be exposed by the approach we take defensively as a team. He’s made mistakes also. Can’t deny that.
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 18, 2023, 04:02:00 PM
I still don’t think you’re right - even if the manager doesn’t have goalkeepers go up for corners. That’s an odd quirk of the manager, but it’s a perfectly reasonable risk based decision to take in the 97th minute when you have a corner and you’re losing.
I don't actually think it is a reasonable risk based decision because, actually, the chances of a goalkeeper scoring or actually helping the scoring of a goal from a corner are so low. In fact, the more likely scenario is that even if the ball does come anywhere near him, the goalkeeper coming up into the box will just get in the way of his own players in his desperation to be involved.
I don't know, it's still an extra player in the box and one the opposition wouldn't have any plans at all to mark during the game so if his presence had meant Dendoncker or Mings had a free header it would've been worth it.
Says it all the corner was overhit anyway. We've got McPhee doing this job and yet we looked as unthreatening from set pieces as ever.
Watching Everton-Leeds and Tarkowski is getting on the end of all of their set pieces so we really should be doing better in that area.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 18, 2023, 04:02:51 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 18, 2023, 04:07:42 PM
Not that I want rid of Emi, far from it but I have been impressed with the Boro keeper, Zack Steffen who's on loan from Man City. Worth keeping an eye on.
Matt Turner is far better than him hence him being US number one at World cup.
This will be the trouble though if/when he goes. We're reactive and will be scrabbling around for a keeper with completely different profile. Sides like brentford and Brighton probably already put the data research in and have replacements identified if Raya and Sanchez leave.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 18, 2023, 04:09:03 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/64629742
Unai Emery says final goal was embarrassing
Post by: astonvilla82 on February 18, 2023, 04:14:12 PM
Post by: OCD on February 18, 2023, 04:14:43 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 18, 2023, 04:15:46 PM
Did he not get the go-ahead to go forward then?
Post by: ez on February 18, 2023, 04:22:36 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 18, 2023, 04:32:25 PM
Now he knows. Which to me means it was unclear before. He may well have never told the keeper to go up for corners but he may never have said don't go up for corners either. Maybe it's something that's never come up in conversation.Yes thats why Emery said never and called it embarrassing, but think what you want.
Well I think we all know Martinez made it personal due to his feelings as it was Arsenal. And now we know the truth I don't need to debate or discuss it anymore as its ultra clear and disappointing. Embarrassing as Emery said and you can see the anger in Unai
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on February 18, 2023, 04:37:26 PM
If you have class players you can play football. If you don't you must use the guerilla tactics.
Post by: BC Villain on February 18, 2023, 04:42:37 PM
Post by: LukeJames on February 18, 2023, 04:47:07 PM
Oh man.
3:35pm I won't say anymore.
3:37pm Ok sorry. I won't go on.
3:37pm I will say no more
4:32pm I don't need to debate or discuss it anymore
4:41pm I'm not going to talk about it any longer
4:41pm I'm taking a break!
Post by: eamonn on February 18, 2023, 05:09:47 PM
Emery calling-out his goalkeeper unprompted in an interview just creates needless headlines about a rift between coach and player. Martínez will already feel like a tool for the way his old fans took the piss out of his booking for timewasting, his OG (not much he could do about that) and the final goal.
I really wouldn't be surprised, coupled with the recent noise, that tonight is the night he instructs his agent to make manoeuvres for a summer move.
Post by: Mister E on February 18, 2023, 05:15:57 PM
At least five kick outs straight into touch, including the one that led to the first goal.
And time wasting when it’s 2-2 and we can still win the game? Arse.
Yes, these are the two things that really irritated me about his game to day. At 2-2, what is the justification for slowing the game down so much?!
And his distribution really is piss-poor at times.
Post by: Baldy on February 18, 2023, 05:30:33 PM
At least five kick outs straight into touch, including the one that led to the first goal.And time wasting when it’s 2-2 and we can still win the game? Arse.
Yes, these are the two things that really irritated me about his game to day. At 2-2, what is the justification for slowing the game down so much?!
And his distribution really is piss-poor at times.
After their midweek exploits, I thought we would have the energy in the last 15 minutes to win this. What happens. Emi slows the game down again!!
Emi 'me me me' Martinez is not a team player, now considers himself too big for the Villa and we need to look elsewhere.
Let's cash in asap and make the most of his Lionel Messi piggyback ride.
Post by: Goldenballs on February 18, 2023, 05:32:09 PM
Post by: charleeco7 on February 18, 2023, 05:36:24 PM
Post by: CT on February 18, 2023, 05:37:28 PM
The one thing I don’t get is the slowing down of the game when we’re on the front foot, not the shithousery when we’re trying to hold a late lead. It was really noticeable against Leicester when we’d not long scored the second and Emi stood there, with the ball under his foot and didn’t move, for ages.
We lost all momentum that we had and end up behind before half time.
In the long term though, I hope he’s our goalkeeper and we buy quality to play in front of him.
Post by: Richard E on February 18, 2023, 05:42:24 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on February 18, 2023, 05:43:05 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on February 18, 2023, 05:48:14 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on February 18, 2023, 05:51:11 PM
Post by: Risso on February 18, 2023, 06:04:06 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on February 18, 2023, 06:28:44 PM
We slowed it down and on another day Bailey scores and it's a great performance from everyone. The game can still be won without playing it at breakneck speed with tired players.
I can understand why he was doing it. And I had money on him being booked so definitely agree with it!
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 18, 2023, 06:29:42 PM
He’s a decent keeper but I’m not sure he’s quite as good as a lot of people (himself included?) seem to think. It’s not that difficult to recruit a good goalkeeper compared to how rare top strikers are, for example. If he goes it’ll be a bit sad but not the end of the world.
Agreed.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 18, 2023, 07:18:19 PM
the goalkeeper distributing it quickly up field
Post by: brontebilly on February 18, 2023, 07:20:56 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 18, 2023, 07:23:36 PM
He’s a decent keeper but I’m not sure he’s quite as good as a lot of people (himself included?) seem to think. It’s not that difficult to recruit a good goalkeeper compared to how rare top strikers are, for example. If he goes it’ll be a bit sad but not the end of the world.I agree he is decent but not exceptional.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 18, 2023, 07:38:12 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 18, 2023, 07:39:41 PM
We don’t seem to counter quickly anymore from
the goalkeeper distributing it quickly up field
How long was it between him catching the cross and Phil scoring?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 18, 2023, 07:41:42 PM
We don’t seem to counter quickly anymore from
the goalkeeper distributing it quickly up field
Hoe long was it between him catching the cross and Phil scoring?
Indeed, today probably the least appropriate day to make that observation!
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 18, 2023, 07:43:31 PM
He’s a decent keeper but I’m not sure he’s quite as good as a lot of people (himself included?) seem to think. It’s not that difficult to recruit a good goalkeeper compared to how rare top strikers are, for example. If he goes it’ll be a bit sad but not the end of the world.
Agreed.
Well between them Nyland and Olsen are experienced big league keepers with 105 internationals caps combined yet we all see the gulf when those two played for us in last few years.
I'm not convinced replacing a keeper with Emi's match winning quality (people will say he hasn't played that well recently but that close range save v Leeds is not a save many in this league could do and it helped us win a tight game) will be as easy as people say.
Reeks a bit of "let's just replace Grealish with 3-4 players over the pitch" and 18 months on Ings has already been and gone and Bailey and Buendia are still incredibly hit and miss.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 18, 2023, 07:46:35 PM
He’s a decent keeper but I’m not sure he’s quite as good as a lot of people (himself included?) seem to think. It’s not that difficult to recruit a good goalkeeper compared to how rare top strikers are, for example. If he goes it’ll be a bit sad but not the end of the world.
Agreed.
Well between them Nyland and Olsen are experienced big league keepers with 105 internationals caps combined yet we all see the gulf when those two played for us in last few years.
I'm not convinced replacing a keeper with Emi's match winning quality (people will say he hasn't played that well recently but that close range save v Leeds is not a save many in this league could do and it helped us win a tight game) will be as easy as people say.
Reeks a bit of "let's just replace Grealish with 3-4 players over the pitch" and 18 months on Ings has already been and gone and Bailey and Buendia are still incredibly hit and miss.
Exactly it’s nonsense and quality keepers are not that easy to find. I predict we would massively struggle if we decide he’s one that needs to be replaced. He is one of very few players that is legitimately high quality.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 18, 2023, 07:51:26 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 18, 2023, 07:52:18 PM
Dean Henderson wouldn't be a bad shout. Made a good impact at Forest and Sheffield United had a brilliant defensive record in prem the season he was there. He has no future at Man. United to put it mildly.
Given the Spanish keeping coach I imagine we'll look to someone in La Liga though.
Given UE is calling out Emi in interviews for not following instructions that dosen't bode well imo.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 18, 2023, 07:54:52 PM
Post by: Ian. on February 18, 2023, 07:57:59 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 18, 2023, 08:02:38 PM
Post by: bob on February 18, 2023, 08:04:12 PM
Martinez needs to realise that saving couple of pens from very nervous takers in a final doesn’t make you a good keeper. He has been terrible recently. Crap at his main job and embarrassing with his other antics.
Agreed, mate. I'm sick to death of his recent performances
The time wasting gets on my tits buts he’s been okay other than that. Two freak goals today were hardly his fault.
Sorry for the final goal, which was obviously his fault because he decided to be up for a corner and was miles away from the goal.
11 goals conceded in three games.
Digne didn't even look to play the set piece near him, and I'm sure some of the other players weren't thrilled with him being up there for the corner.
Ego got the better of him
Without wishing to be unkind Footy, that’s just utter bollocks.
Emery said pretty much the same as Footy in his post match interview.
Post by: LeeB on February 18, 2023, 08:06:51 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 18, 2023, 08:09:31 PM
It's hardly a chief contributing factor to the result.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 18, 2023, 08:17:40 PM
Martinez needs to realise that saving couple of pens from very nervous takers in a final doesn’t make you a good keeper. He has been terrible recently. Crap at his main job and embarrassing with his other antics.
Agreed, mate. I'm sick to death of his recent performances
The time wasting gets on my tits buts he’s been okay other than that. Two freak goals today were hardly his fault.
Sorry for the final goal, which was obviously his fault because he decided to be up for a corner and was miles away from the goal.
11 goals conceded in three games.
Digne didn't even look to play the set piece near him, and I'm sure some of the other players weren't thrilled with him being up there for the corner.
Ego got the better of him
Without wishing to be unkind Footy, that’s just utter bollocks.
Emery said pretty much the same as Footy in his post match interview.
Doesn’t mean it’s right in terms of impact. It might be against the manager’s wishes, but on this I think the manager is wrong. It’s a punt when all is pretty much lost - what’s the harm? We’re going to lose anyway, does the risk of running up the other end and scoring make much difference? Can’t see it does. I don’t think it’s ego either, it’s probably wanting to atone.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 18, 2023, 08:21:46 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 18, 2023, 08:23:19 PM
We don’t seem to counter quickly anymore from
the goalkeeper distributing it quickly up field
Hoe long was it between him catching the cross and Phil scoring?
Indeed, today probably the least appropriate day to make that observation!
Ahh good point but up until now it isn’t something we have done alot , hopefully that will change
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 18, 2023, 08:24:42 PM
Post by: colin69 on February 18, 2023, 08:33:47 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 18, 2023, 08:37:20 PM
He’s a decent keeper but I’m not sure he’s quite as good as a lot of people (himself included?) seem to think. It’s not that difficult to recruit a good goalkeeper compared to how rare top strikers are, for example. If he goes it’ll be a bit sad but not the end of the world.
Agreed.
Well between them Nyland and Olsen are experienced big league keepers with 105 internationals caps combined yet we all see the gulf when those two played for us in last few years.
I'm not convinced replacing a keeper with Emi's match winning quality (people will say he hasn't played that well recently but that close range save v Leeds is not a save many in this league could do and it helped us win a tight game) will be as easy as people say.
Reeks a bit of "let's just replace Grealish with 3-4 players over the pitch" and 18 months on Ings has already been and gone and Bailey and Buendia are still incredibly hit and miss.
I’m not saying it’ll be easy but it’s different compared to replacing a prolific striker or fulcrum of the side. He’s not infallible and does make mistakes and you mentioned some who have gone before him in the not too distant past and that highlights Martinez’ talents even more. We see him week in week out but we don’t view other keepers in the same way.
He’s a bit of a pantomime villain, someone who other teams focus on and it’s been a while since we’ve had a player like that and that’s part of his attraction.
I’m sick of players not wanting to be part of our club and I don’t care where they’ve come from and what they’ve won elsewhere, they’ve signed a deal so they leave on our terms.
It’s taken us years to finally appoint a manager with real pedigree and I’m all in on Unai, I’d be sorry to see Martinez go but if it comes to that I’d back the manager and it does feel as though something is brewing.
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 18, 2023, 08:44:49 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 18, 2023, 10:56:43 PM
the gaffer is the gaffer, if he said stay back, then Emi needs to stay the fuck back.
Well listening to the interview it sounds like he hadn’t told him not to go forward, just it’s not what he expects him to do.
Post by: Bully2345 on February 18, 2023, 11:19:04 PM
I personally wasn’t fussed that he came up for the corner but successful football managers will want players to play as they want so if Emery is against it then he knows more than me.
We’ll see how Emi reacts and adapts to it. The potential value in selling him and his struggles with the ball at his feet could lead to an amicable divorce this summer. We probably won’t end up with a better keeper but we would have one that fits the philosophy
Post by: Legion on February 18, 2023, 11:20:37 PM
I hate how even our own fans say how fickle we can be at times. Fuck all fickle having most debating a month ago if he's the best keeper they've ever seen play for us and now saying he's crap and embarrassing.
Bit late to the party. This.
Post by: Legion on February 18, 2023, 11:23:17 PM
Well I do admire being right and when its shot down when was actually right people should be more respecting.And look how excited its got you.Even if that is the case - and it’s very odd for Emery to call it out in public - it doesn’t change the fact it’s a very normal thing to do.100% I heard it and saw it
Wow. Seriously?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 19, 2023, 12:08:24 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 19, 2023, 12:15:52 AM
Watching his interview, Emery clearly displeased with Martinez.
Did they have a fallout at Arsenal?
It reminds me of when Houllier came in years back. Him and Friedel didn't see eye to eye at Liverpool but Brad still played every week although wasn't quite as solid. We didn't offer him a new deal and he went to Spurs and had a very good season while we were lumbered with Given on a 5 year deal.
That's a classic example of where casually letting a perfectly capable keeper just leave can destabilise things especially if you need to improve 2-3 other positions urgently as we need to.
Post by: Legion on February 19, 2023, 12:18:08 AM
Post by: LeonW on February 19, 2023, 12:48:55 AM
Post by: OzVilla on February 19, 2023, 12:53:59 AM
Post by: LukeJames on February 19, 2023, 12:58:32 AM
The only option I could maybe see is if Man Utd do get taken over and they start throwing stupid money around.
Post by: KevinGage on February 19, 2023, 01:02:36 AM
the gaffer is the gaffer, if he said stay back, then Emi needs to stay the fuck back.
Well listening to the interview it sounds like he hadn’t told him not to go forward, just it’s not what he expects him to do.
Indeed.
If a manager explicitly tells him not to go up for set pieces in the dying minutes and he goes and does it anyway, it's on Martinez.
If they've never even discussed it before and the manager hangs him out to dry publicly it's a bit shit.
The stats of keepers scoring from those kind of scenarios might not be particularly high. But you often see sides who are trailing do it - and not getting punished the way we did today.
It was a nothing set piece by Digne. That's a bigger issue for me when you're chasing in that scenario.
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 19, 2023, 03:19:17 AM
Post by: LeonW on February 19, 2023, 05:58:16 AM
Emi Martinez pre or post world cup. I know which one I prefer and its not the newly invented one.
It’s not a newly invented one. It’s one and the same. It’s the same Martinez that did a dance when Balloono Fernandez missed a penalty.
Post by: Bad English on February 19, 2023, 07:06:18 AM
Some utter divel in here 😂Divel. n. inv. sl. B'ham. The utterances that emanate from a div. "What utter divel mate! Get a grip!"
Post by: dorsetvillian on February 19, 2023, 07:37:08 AM
Post by: algy on February 19, 2023, 07:45:53 AM
I still don’t think you’re right - even if the manager doesn’t have goalkeepers go up for corners. That’s an odd quirk of the manager, but it’s a perfectly reasonable risk based decision to take in the 97th minute when you have a corner and you’re losing.I think I'm on Emery's side on this. If it's such a good idea, why doesn't the keeper go up for a corner 5mins in to a game?
At 2-3 you're still in the game even in the last seconds of the match. At 2-4 you're not. I know both are defeats, but it's about embedding that philosophy that you don't just panic and start reverting to desperate measures. Because by and large you're not playing against a bunch of Sunday League players who are all of a sudden going to start bricking it because you're punting long balls up the pitch or there's a man in the penalty area who they weren't expecting.
Don't get me wrong, i like Emi M a lot and think some of the stick he's been getting is unfair. But I'm just not in to be Jimmy Glass type heroics.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 19, 2023, 07:51:27 AM
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 19, 2023, 08:15:41 AM
Emi Martinez pre or post world cup. I know which one I prefer and its not the newly invented one.
It’s not a newly invented one. It’s one and the same. It’s the same Martinez that did a dance when Balloono Fernandez missed a penalty.
He's gone overboard with his cockiness since
Post by: Rigadon on February 19, 2023, 08:51:13 AM
I think Martinez’s comments the other week tells us all we need to know. Sure he loves the Villa but he wants Champions League now, he’s off. We just need to get to dollar.
A bit of a shame, but yes.
Post by: Flin5tone on February 19, 2023, 08:58:47 AM
There's a reason Arsenal let him go and that's probably his attitude. He's got even worse since the World Cup and has been absolutely AWFUL. His distribution and decision making is woeful. 11 conceded in 3 .
Post by: Axl Rose on February 19, 2023, 09:05:03 AM
Emi Martinez pre or post world cup. I know which one I prefer and its not the newly invented one.
It’s not a newly invented one. It’s one and the same. It’s the same Martinez that did a dance when Balloono Fernandez missed a penalty.
He's gone overboard with his cockiness since
Agreed
Post by: Flin5tone on February 19, 2023, 09:11:26 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 19, 2023, 09:29:34 AM
Just watched the Unai Emery interview on the BBC, I don't think the clown will be our goalkeeper much longer. He can see right through him. His attitude stinks, embarrassed himself on the world stage with that ridiculous childish reaction when handed the golden glove or whatever it was. No respect for those handing over the trophy or the host nation.
I’ll call it now, as soon as he leaves it’ll be you lining up first to slag off his successor.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 19, 2023, 09:34:50 AM
Well there’s an obvious answer to that, it’s clearly a massive risk. The key point here is that if you’re losing and injury time is already up what does it matter? If there’s the slightest chance it might help why not give it a shot? It’s obviously incredibly unlikely to result in a goal, but it does happen. Worst case scenario you concede another goal, but so what you’re already going to lose if you don’t score.
That’s my take on it too. It’s the equivalent of the ‘Hail Mary’ it comes off or it doesn’t.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 19, 2023, 09:48:10 AM
No respect for those handing over the trophy or the host nation.
It was a spur of the moment thing but I’m not sure the Qataris are deserving of that much respect.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 19, 2023, 09:57:13 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on February 19, 2023, 10:11:34 AM
Emi’s distribution yesterday was piss poor, I can’t say I’m that arsed about if he goes up for that corner or not, it’s a stick or twist scenario. More of a concern was having a left footer curl the ball away from where all our players were massing, shite.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 19, 2023, 10:43:26 AM
Post by: Mister E on February 19, 2023, 10:44:41 AM
Did Unai say he disagrees with the time wasting? I don’t think I heard that part...Yes, heard it on an interview with Bein.
Post by: Goldenballs on February 19, 2023, 10:57:43 AM
Post by: LukeJames on February 19, 2023, 10:59:20 AM
We're going through a shitty run but I find it bizarre that people are calling him a clown and saying get rid.Is this your first week on here? He'll be the best GK in the World again in 2 weeks.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 19, 2023, 11:01:20 AM
Post by: SamTheMouse on February 19, 2023, 11:07:09 AM
Still, better to have an over-confident goalie than a shitting puppy, I guess.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on February 19, 2023, 11:09:12 AM
No respect for those handing over the trophy or the host nation.
It was a spur of the moment thing but I’m not sure the Qataris are deserving of that much respect.
I would have preferred him not doing it but I'm not too bothered about it. But it was not a spur of the moment thing which he has admitted himself. He did it at Copa too and was basically in a bet with his team mates about whether he'd dare to do it again at the World Cup.
Post by: Goldenballs on February 19, 2023, 11:11:59 AM
We're going through a shitty run but I find it bizarre that people are calling him a clown and saying get rid.Is this your first week on here? He'll be the best GK in the World again in 2 weeks.
No, but even by the usual over reactions this one is uber bizarre.
He's earned us many, many more points than he's cost us. He's our best player IMO and would be the hardest to replace by a long shot.
Post by: Smithy on February 19, 2023, 11:58:57 AM
Well there’s an obvious answer to that, it’s clearly a massive risk. The key point here is that if you’re losing and injury time is already up what does it matter? If there’s the slightest chance it might help why not give it a shot? It’s obviously incredibly unlikely to result in a goal, but it does happen. Worst case scenario you concede another goal, but so what you’re already going to lose if you don’t score.
That’s my take on it too. It’s the equivalent of the ‘Hail Mary’ it comes off or it doesn’t.
It's perfectly understandable to see a keeper go up for a corner or free kick in the last minute or two of a cup game, where you're about to go out, or in a league game that has a huge amount riding on it (last game of the season, and you need a point for Europe, for example). But in a league game in mid Feb? Absolutely not. If the third goal hadn't gone in off his head, and it wasn't against this old team, I don't think he goes up for that corner. I think it was a rush of blood based on his 'own goal' and the hope he could correct what he sees as a mistake.
If Jorginho's goal went straight in the top corner, he's doesn't go up for that corner. How many times have we been a goal down in the last minute with an attacking set piece or the chance to put it in the mixer? How many times has he done it before?
I'm amazed no one from the bench stopped him after he crossed the halfway line.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 19, 2023, 12:27:19 PM
No respect for those handing over the trophy or the host nation.
It was a spur of the moment thing but I’m not sure the Qataris are deserving of that much respect.
I would have preferred him not doing it but I'm not too bothered about it. But it was not a spur of the moment thing which he has admitted himself. He did it at Copa too and was basically in a bet with his team mates about whether he'd dare to do it again at the World Cup.
I stand corrected then!!
Post by: john e on February 19, 2023, 12:28:27 PM
But when I saw the interview on match of the day he was proper pissed off with him
Post by: OCD on February 19, 2023, 12:36:51 PM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on February 19, 2023, 12:38:04 PM
When I read that Emery had called him out for going up for the corner I thought it was probably just an offhand comment that didn’t mean to much
But when I saw the interview on match of the day he was proper pissed off with him
To be fair, he was proper pissed off with all of it, not just Emi.
Post by: PGW on February 19, 2023, 12:47:21 PM
We're going through a shitty run but I find it bizarre that people are calling him a clown and saying get rid.Is this your first week on here? He'll be the best GK in the World again in 2 weeks.
Emi is undoubtedly a brilliant keeper but he frustrates the life out of me, it's now time for him to take his Argentine WC cap off and
put his Villa one back on again....we need the Villa Emi!!!
Post by: qwerty on February 19, 2023, 12:56:35 PM
His replacement will probably be Yassine "Bono" Bounou of Sevilla, the best keeper in Spain.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 19, 2023, 12:59:17 PM
Enjoy watching Martinez for the remainder of the season because he will be off to a Champions League club in the summer.
His replacement will probably be Yassine "Bono" Bounou of Sevilla, the best keeper in Spain.
If he continues top play like he has since the world cup then it will be an upgrade.
Post by: algy on February 19, 2023, 01:11:34 PM
Well there’s an obvious answer to that, it’s clearly a massive risk. The key point here is that if you’re losing and injury time is already up what does it matter? If there’s the slightest chance it might help why not give it a shot? It’s obviously incredibly unlikely to result in a goal, but it does happen. Worst case scenario you concede another goal, but so what you’re already going to lose if you don’t score.Well first, it's more that if you go down to 2-4 or whatever then there's absolutely no chance of getting anything. But at 2-3, even if you fuck up the corner you're still in with a shout.
Second, if you're sending up the keeper then there's still going to be a defender on the half way line isn't there? So why not send him up, since he'll probably be better in the air, and keep your goalkeeper where they're actually effective?
But most importantly, it's the principle. You don't resort to hoofing the ball up, or other desperate tactics. It's about more than one game here - it's also sending a message that it's ok to just change the plan because of this or that or the other. But that's not what Emery is about as far as I can see. You keep possession, you bide your time, you don't just start panicking at the first sign that the opposition aren't just going to lie down and take it.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 19, 2023, 01:53:26 PM
Well there’s an obvious answer to that, it’s clearly a massive risk. The key point here is that if you’re losing and injury time is already up what does it matter? If there’s the slightest chance it might help why not give it a shot? It’s obviously incredibly unlikely to result in a goal, but it does happen. Worst case scenario you concede another goal, but so what you’re already going to lose if you don’t score.Well first, it's more that if you go down to 2-4 or whatever then there's absolutely no chance of getting anything. But at 2-3, even if you fuck up the corner you're still in with a shout.
Second, if you're sending up the keeper then there's still going to be a defender on the half way line isn't there? So why not send him up, since he'll probably be better in the air, and keep your goalkeeper where they're actually effective?
But most importantly, it's the principle. You don't resort to hoofing the ball up, or other desperate tactics. It's about more than one game here - it's also sending a message that it's ok to just change the plan because of this or that or the other. But that's not what Emery is about as far as I can see. You keep possession, you bide your time, you don't just start panicking at the first sign that the opposition aren't just going to lie down and take it.
On the first point I just don’t see that when you’ve already played the allotted injury time - it really is a last throw of the dice. On the second point, it’s probably because you want a decent distributor there if it’s punted clear.
Last point I don’t think it says anything about your wider philosophy or principles, it’s a very specific circumstance. When Alisson scored for Liverpool in a similar situation a few years back so you think everyone started to think Liverpool were hoofers?
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 19, 2023, 02:15:56 PM
Post by: algy on February 19, 2023, 02:20:47 PM
Yeah, but the difference there is that we've got a side who time & time again throw games away. So we're more in need of a zero tolerance approach than Liverpool are.Well there’s an obvious answer to that, it’s clearly a massive risk. The key point here is that if you’re losing and injury time is already up what does it matter? If there’s the slightest chance it might help why not give it a shot? It’s obviously incredibly unlikely to result in a goal, but it does happen. Worst case scenario you concede another goal, but so what you’re already going to lose if you don’t score.Well first, it's more that if you go down to 2-4 or whatever then there's absolutely no chance of getting anything. But at 2-3, even if you fuck up the corner you're still in with a shout.
Second, if you're sending up the keeper then there's still going to be a defender on the half way line isn't there? So why not send him up, since he'll probably be better in the air, and keep your goalkeeper where they're actually effective?
But most importantly, it's the principle. You don't resort to hoofing the ball up, or other desperate tactics. It's about more than one game here - it's also sending a message that it's ok to just change the plan because of this or that or the other. But that's not what Emery is about as far as I can see. You keep possession, you bide your time, you don't just start panicking at the first sign that the opposition aren't just going to lie down and take it.
On the first point I just don’t see that when you’ve already played the allotted injury time - it really is a last throw of the dice. On the second point, it’s probably because you want a decent distributor there if it’s punted clear.
Last point I don’t think it says anything about your wider philosophy or principles, it’s a very specific circumstance. When Alisson scored for Liverpool in a similar situation a few years back so you think everyone started to think Liverpool were hoofers?
Post by: LukeJames on February 19, 2023, 02:26:13 PM
Post by: algy on February 19, 2023, 02:28:05 PM
Zero tolerance in yesterday's situation still sees us lose 2-3.Which is better than losing 2-4.
Post by: LukeJames on February 19, 2023, 02:30:38 PM
Post by: Risso on February 19, 2023, 02:38:47 PM
But worse than drawing 3-3.
As Emery pointed out, thw two outcomes are by no means of an equal likelihood though.
Post by: olaftab on February 19, 2023, 02:44:07 PM
Post by: Risso on February 19, 2023, 02:47:50 PM
Post by: LukeJames on February 19, 2023, 02:48:17 PM
Post by: ldavfc4eva on February 19, 2023, 02:50:44 PM
Emery clearly wasn’t happy with him racing up to try and get an equaliser yesterday, and I wonder if his attitude has changed at all since winning the World Cup.
He wasn’t happy that we let Neil Cutler leave, and has said he wants Champions League football (albeit he mentioned winning it with us) too.
Who we replace him with will be a hard one, we need someone who can play out, so Raya from Brentford may be a good shout.
Post by: OCD on February 19, 2023, 02:54:08 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on February 19, 2023, 03:19:35 PM
Bailey was a disgrace in that breakaway, barely got a jog on as they sprinted past him.as previously said,I think that as well and didn't want him on for that reason, where as Watkins and Bunedia were closing down
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 19, 2023, 03:54:48 PM
In the situation under discussion 2-4 was always more likely than 3-3 but I would rather that he had a go than to not trying. It is also likely that in that attack Arsenal would have still scored if Emi had been in the goal as Martinelli was “one on one”.
Exactly - who cares if 4-2 is more likely, 3-2 and 4-2 still get you the exact same number of points. I really don’t see the problem here, if he had done it on 85 when it was 2-2 I would fully agree. But losing by a one or two goal margin is completely immaterial in our situation. It was a punt that didn’t work, but it’s a pretty common thing to do and made absolute sense in context of the match situation.
Post by: Risso on February 19, 2023, 03:56:23 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 19, 2023, 04:07:35 PM
But Emery said no.
I won't say anymore. People don't want to hear when have true info.
On the interview I saw Emery definitely didn’t say he told him not to do it.
Post by: Bad English on February 19, 2023, 04:24:19 PM
*Obviously, Mbappe put 4 past him with his 2nd pen.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 19, 2023, 04:32:43 PM
the gaffer is the gaffer, if he said stay back, then Emi needs to stay the fuck back.
As Aniello Dellacroce said to John Gotti when he revealed his plan to defy Big Paul Castellano, “the boss is the boss is the boss”.
Post by: Legion on February 19, 2023, 04:57:01 PM
Post by: Smithy on February 19, 2023, 06:32:08 PM
But Emery said no.
I won't say anymore. People don't want to hear when have true info.
On the interview I saw Emery definitely didn’t say he told him not to do it.
Indeed. It's getting a bit lost now, but it's clear Emi wasn't TOLD to go up (which is what normally happens with keepers in this situation - they look at the bench with a "should I?" look on their faces). He chose to do it all by himself, and the manager isn't very happy that he did. And he won't be doing it again in a hurry.
It was a mistake, but he makes fewer than most, and we were already losing so it's not like it cost us the game.
Post by: Goldenballs on February 19, 2023, 06:47:05 PM
If Emi had not stopped that shot by Muani, France would have three stars on their shirt and Emi would be known as the keeper who let Mbappe put three past him.* Maybe this wouldn't have changed anything regarding his performances or made him less likely to want Champions League rapidly but all I can say is he did not look so ace yesterday and needs to sort it out.
*Obviously, Mbappe put 4 past him with his 2nd pen.
What did he do wrong yesterday other than kick a few balls into touch, and in people's opinion waste too much time? He couldn't do anything for any of the goals and made a decent save, can't remember who from, and came out well to catch crosses.
He went up for a final second corner, but that's been done to death.
Post by: algy on February 19, 2023, 06:58:15 PM
Ok, here's a list of every goalkeeper who's scored in the top division in the past 30 yearsIn the situation under discussion 2-4 was always more likely than 3-3 but I would rather that he had a go than to not trying. It is also likely that in that attack Arsenal would have still scored if Emi had been in the goal as Martinelli was “one on one”.
Exactly - who cares if 4-2 is more likely, 3-2 and 4-2 still get you the exact same number of points. I really don’t see the problem here, if he had done it on 85 when it was 2-2 I would fully agree. But losing by a one or two goal margin is completely immaterial in our situation. It was a punt that didn’t work, but it’s a pretty common thing to do and made absolute sense in context of the match situation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_goalkeepers_who_have_scored_in_the_Premier_League
3 goals in total scored by a goalkeeper, from a corner. Of which only 1 had any effect on the end result. So it's once every 10 years for a goal and much less frequently for a meaningful one.
This isn't a 50:50 thing or anything approaching. You might argue that he adds to the general melee or whatever, but you could equally argue those teams might've scored anyway even if the goalkeeper wasn't there. In any case, it's rare to get a goal from a corner - I can't remember the exact number but on average it's something like 3-4 goals a season on average come as a result from corners.
Meanwhile, how many goals are conceeded because the goalkeeper isn't there, or more broadly because the team are panicking the moment the opposition threaten to do anything.
It's not really going up for a corner I'd be bothered by, it's just that it's a symptom of a more endemic problem in the side that needs to be cut out, and if that means that we lose that literally 1:13000 (or worse) chance of scoring an equaliser then I think it's worth it.
Post by: Smithy on February 19, 2023, 07:34:48 PM
Ok, here's a list of every goalkeeper who's scored in the top division in the past 30 yearsIn the situation under discussion 2-4 was always more likely than 3-3 but I would rather that he had a go than to not trying. It is also likely that in that attack Arsenal would have still scored if Emi had been in the goal as Martinelli was “one on one”.
Exactly - who cares if 4-2 is more likely, 3-2 and 4-2 still get you the exact same number of points. I really don’t see the problem here, if he had done it on 85 when it was 2-2 I would fully agree. But losing by a one or two goal margin is completely immaterial in our situation. It was a punt that didn’t work, but it’s a pretty common thing to do and made absolute sense in context of the match situation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_goalkeepers_who_have_scored_in_the_Premier_League
3 goals in total scored by a goalkeeper, from a corner. Of which only 1 had any effect on the end result. So it's once every 10 years for a goal and much less frequently for a meaningful one.
This isn't a 50:50 thing or anything approaching. You might argue that he adds to the general melee or whatever, but you could equally argue those teams might've scored anyway even if the goalkeeper wasn't there. In any case, it's rare to get a goal from a corner - I can't remember the exact number but on average it's something like 3-4 goals a season on average come as a result from corners.
Meanwhile, how many goals are conceeded because the goalkeeper isn't there, or more broadly because the team are panicking the moment the opposition threaten to do anything.
It's not really going up for a corner I'd be bothered by, it's just that it's a symptom of a more endemic problem in the side that needs to be cut out, and if that means that we lose that literally 1:13000 (or worse) chance of scoring an equaliser then I think it's worth it.
The goalie actually scoring is very rare, but I'd be interested to know how often the "team" scores when the goalie has gone up. The extra body freeing up space for someone else? Creating a bit of panic? I suspect it's also very rare, but probably not a 'once in a decade' occurrence. I'm sure I read somewhere that only 4% of corners result in a goal, so the question is, what is that percentage when the goalie has gone up? I bet someone somewhere has that stat...
I still think it's a silly thing to do in a league games in the middle of the season.
Post by: Risso on February 19, 2023, 07:36:39 PM
I'm sure I read somewhere that only 4% of corners result in a goal
Other than when they're being taken against us! ;)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 19, 2023, 07:57:33 PM
Post by: nigel on February 20, 2023, 09:24:46 AM
Getting a bit big for his boots perhaps, but I'd prefer him over Olsen, Sinisalo, Zych...
Neil Cutler mentioned, about Emi’s personality, that you have to keep a handle on him to stop him boiling over.
I wonder whether this is what’s happening? Cuts isn’t there to calm him down!
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 20, 2023, 09:40:57 AM
Post by: LeeB on February 20, 2023, 09:44:58 AM
Whether Emi should have gone up for the corner is a moot point. What hasn’t been mentioned to any great degree is the atrocious corner kick by Digne to give his decision a chance of being the right one. It was a shocking corner. Who was he aiming at?
I can't remember a single decent cross from Digne since we bought him, he's crap.
Post by: eamonn on February 20, 2023, 10:01:13 AM
Post by: Drummond on February 20, 2023, 10:22:59 AM
Bailey was a disgrace in that breakaway, barely got a jog on as they sprinted past him.
Yep, he kind of looked, shrugged and slowed down. I was properly pissed off with that.
As for Martinez going up for the corner, it was the last throw of the dice, it rarely comes off, but it could have worked. Even if he'd stayed back, the way Arsenal broke forward they would likely have scored anyway.
Post by: Smithy on February 20, 2023, 11:15:30 AM
McPhee must have been blowing a gasket at the outswinger option for that corner.
Indeed - last minute, packed box, you want it coming down in and around the six yard line and drifting towards the goal itself! Terrible choice of set-piece, unless he was trying to pick someone specific out and just ballsed it up completely.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 20, 2023, 11:31:10 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 20, 2023, 11:53:33 AM
I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.
Post by: Chris Smith on February 20, 2023, 12:26:54 PM
I thought Martinez had a poor game - his distribution was way off. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly a shit keeper and we should sell him.
I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.
Emery was very that he won’t be doing it again.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 20, 2023, 12:35:14 PM
Post by: darren woolley on February 20, 2023, 12:42:00 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 20, 2023, 12:58:59 PM
Yep and I've no problem with that - it's his call. But it didn't bother me that much, it happens quite regularly and it's not often the keeper gets caught out. We had lost anyway.
Exactly.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 20, 2023, 04:08:46 PM
It was my recollection that he got in the first team because of Leno’s injury, played in the Cup Final but wasn’t promised the number 1 shirt once Leno was fit again.
Edit. Just read the last few pages of Arsenal post match thread where my question has been partly answered.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 20, 2023, 04:16:50 PM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on February 20, 2023, 04:39:13 PM
I happen to think that Emery was so madly fucked off with it all that Emi’s decision got caught in the crossfire. It wasn’t like it was 2-2. But you could see a manager starting to piece together that several of this group while decent they can’t play his way. It’s going to be a very busy summer.Pretty much my take on it too.
Emery was clearly pissed off that we hadn't been able to maintain our shape and possession and see the game out; conceded a soft 2nd equaliser, conceded a ridiculously un/lucky 3rd then the keeper does a thing that contributes to us conceding a fourth!
He was pissed off with the whole team!
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 20, 2023, 05:44:12 PM
I thought Martinez had a poor game - his distribution was way off. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly a shit keeper and we should sell him.
I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.
Emery was very that he won’t be doing it again.
He's an idiot then. It was the 98th minute, we're 3-2 down, sure Emi's unlikely to score but he can add a bit of chaos in the box and maybe somebody else might score. I'm really struggling to understand why he's making such a big fuss over nothing. The media have picked up on it accusing him of throwing Emi under the bus etc. It's all very Steven Gerrard.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 20, 2023, 06:05:12 PM
Post by: Smithy on February 20, 2023, 09:03:35 PM
I thought Martinez had a poor game - his distribution was way off. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly a shit keeper and we should sell him.
I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.
Emery was very that he won’t be doing it again.
He's an idiot then. It was the 98th minute, we're 3-2 down, sure Emi's unlikely to score but he can add a bit of chaos in the box and maybe somebody else might score. I'm really struggling to understand why he's making such a big fuss over nothing. The media have picked up on it accusing him of throwing Emi under the bus etc. It's all very Steven Gerrard.
Our goal difference is at LEAST 10 worse than every team above us. And so goal difference could well cost us a place (or more) in the league come May. As others have said, it's SO rare that goalie going up actually results in a goal (not necessarily from them scoring it), that it should only be an option if the goal has huge positive consequences, and also negligible negative consequences if you lose another goal i.e. You're about to go out of a cup, or it's the final couple of games in the season and you need the point(s) to avoid relegation or to get a place in Europe. A league game in Feb simply doesn't qualify, as losing a goal has consequences.
We lost 2-1 to Arsenal earlier in the season, but I don't remember Emi going up for a set-piece late in that game? If the third goal wasn't an OG I don't think he goes up - it was a rush of blood to the head based on him feeling responsible for us being behind against his old club.
It won't happen again, I'm sure of that.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 20, 2023, 09:31:32 PM
Post by: brontebilly on February 20, 2023, 09:42:35 PM
I thought Martinez had a poor game - his distribution was way off. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly a shit keeper and we should sell him.
I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.
Emery was very that he won’t be doing it again.
Emery was fuming but it's hard to make any kind of conclusion based on his interviews, even journos are speculating somewhat as to what he is really trying to say.
To speculate myself, I don't think all is well between Emery and Martinez anyway. Might even pre date Villa, the Cutler departure (unnecessary for me), delay coming back from the WC that saw the hapless Olsen selected at Spurs, Martinez interview last week and yesterday. There really is no problem with Martinez going up at the end. I find it strange that Emery seemed to focus on that.
But Martinez has become a tactical problem with not releasing the ball quickly, I think that's what the protagonist comments from Emery allude to. I don't even mind the ball going out of play the odd time but he needs to release it quicker like to Kamara for our second goal. When he delays, it let's the opposition get set and we only have Watkins to aim for. With the likes of Luiz and Kamara, we should be playing quickly through the lines at every opportunity. Emery might be using the irrelevant fourth goal to lay down the law with Martinez about who is in charge of tactics with and without the ball. Like he did at Soton, I think Martinez starting position behind a high defensive line needs to be at the edge of our box.
Post by: Matt C on February 20, 2023, 09:45:54 PM
None of this changes the fact I expect Martinez to be off in the summer. We’ve seen this movie plenty of times before - player does well, goes on international duty, head turned, carefully timed media interview hinting at CL football… we all know what happens next.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 21, 2023, 02:25:31 PM
I thought Martinez had a poor game - his distribution was way off. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly a shit keeper and we should sell him.
I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.
Emery was very that he won’t be doing it again.
He's an idiot then. It was the 98th minute, we're 3-2 down, sure Emi's unlikely to score but he can add a bit of chaos in the box and maybe somebody else might score. I'm really struggling to understand why he's making such a big fuss over nothing. The media have picked up on it accusing him of throwing Emi under the bus etc. It's all very Steven Gerrard.
Our goal difference is at LEAST 10 worse than every team above us. And so goal difference could well cost us a place (or more) in the league come May. As others have said, it's SO rare that goalie going up actually results in a goal (not necessarily from them scoring it), that it should only be an option if the goal has huge positive consequences, and also negligible negative consequences if you lose another goal i.e. You're about to go out of a cup, or it's the final couple of games in the season and you need the point(s) to avoid relegation or to get a place in Europe. A league game in Feb simply doesn't qualify, as losing a goal has consequences.
We lost 2-1 to Arsenal earlier in the season, but I don't remember Emi going up for a set-piece late in that game? If the third goal wasn't an OG I don't think he goes up - it was a rush of blood to the head based on him feeling responsible for us being behind against his old club.
It won't happen again, I'm sure of that.
Left with a choice of potentially getting a point or having no points and one additional goal in the minus column, I know what I'd choose. When you factor in the timing, a pissed off, emotional Emi or not, he made the right decision. Emery had so much to comment on about the game especially their third goal but he decided to be ridiculously petty instead. Each to their own.
Agree it won't happen again, more's the pity.
Post by: Smithy on February 21, 2023, 03:06:11 PM
I thought Martinez had a poor game - his distribution was way off. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly a shit keeper and we should sell him.
I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.
Emery was very that he won’t be doing it again.
He's an idiot then. It was the 98th minute, we're 3-2 down, sure Emi's unlikely to score but he can add a bit of chaos in the box and maybe somebody else might score. I'm really struggling to understand why he's making such a big fuss over nothing. The media have picked up on it accusing him of throwing Emi under the bus etc. It's all very Steven Gerrard.
Our goal difference is at LEAST 10 worse than every team above us. And so goal difference could well cost us a place (or more) in the league come May. As others have said, it's SO rare that goalie going up actually results in a goal (not necessarily from them scoring it), that it should only be an option if the goal has huge positive consequences, and also negligible negative consequences if you lose another goal i.e. You're about to go out of a cup, or it's the final couple of games in the season and you need the point(s) to avoid relegation or to get a place in Europe. A league game in Feb simply doesn't qualify, as losing a goal has consequences.
We lost 2-1 to Arsenal earlier in the season, but I don't remember Emi going up for a set-piece late in that game? If the third goal wasn't an OG I don't think he goes up - it was a rush of blood to the head based on him feeling responsible for us being behind against his old club.
It won't happen again, I'm sure of that.
Left with a choice of potentially getting a point or having no points and one additional goal in the minus column, I know what I'd choose. When you factor in the timing, a pissed off, emotional Emi or not, he made the right decision. Emery had so much to comment on about the game especially their third goal but he decided to be ridiculously petty instead. Each to their own.
Agree it won't happen again, more's the pity.
He didn't make the right decision though. We didn't score, and we immediately conceded. So it was the wrong decision. As I said above, sending the goalie up is an act of desperation, and ONLY makes sense if the rewards for a single goal FAR exceed the costs of conceding another one. A league game for a mid-table team in Feb simply doesn't qualify.
Games are lost by the odd goal dozens of times every single weekend up and down the county, and do you know how many times the keeper goes up in the last couple of minutes? It's practically zero, because in 95% of cases the potential rewards do not outweigh the potential risks.
If a goal in the 93rd minute would get us into Europe in our last game of the season, then by all means, send in the entire cavalry. But when you're 1-down in Feb to the league leaders? Nah.
Post by: Bully2345 on February 21, 2023, 03:08:35 PM
We also pay a set piece coach (whether he's effective or not is a differen argument) who has survived three managers and we toss away a corner for a keeper to run up and get in the way.
Post by: Risso on February 21, 2023, 03:43:34 PM
Lineker on MOTD also agrees with Emery in that they get in the way and he'd rather have the space than a keeper trying to cause chaos.
We also pay a set piece coach (whether he's effective or not is a differen argument) who has survived three managers and we toss away a corner for a keeper to run up and get in the way.
As well as conceding from corner kicks on a depressingly frequent basis. I don't get it, for three managers now we've been shite at both defending and attacking set pieces, yet that shaggy-haired chancer is still the one coach up and down the technical area all game.
Post by: Bully2345 on February 21, 2023, 03:52:05 PM
Lineker on MOTD also agrees with Emery in that they get in the way and he'd rather have the space than a keeper trying to cause chaos.
We also pay a set piece coach (whether he's effective or not is a differen argument) who has survived three managers and we toss away a corner for a keeper to run up and get in the way.
As well as conceding from corner kicks on a depressingly frequent basis. I don't get it, for three managers now we've been shite at both defending and attacking set pieces, yet that shaggy-haired chancer is still the one coach up and down the technical area all game.
As I said, his effectiveness is a different argument. While he's employed, they should be carrying out set piece tactics in the same way as you would normally as his job is to come up with a method that gives us the best chance of scoring. Instead, we threw it all away and went for the Hail Mary.
As Matt C says, he wants a culture of sticking to the plan, not making it up on the spot
Post by: aj2k77 on February 21, 2023, 03:55:12 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 21, 2023, 04:52:00 PM
I thought Martinez had a poor game - his distribution was way off. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly a shit keeper and we should sell him.
I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.
Emery was very that he won’t be doing it again.
He's an idiot then. It was the 98th minute, we're 3-2 down, sure Emi's unlikely to score but he can add a bit of chaos in the box and maybe somebody else might score. I'm really struggling to understand why he's making such a big fuss over nothing. The media have picked up on it accusing him of throwing Emi under the bus etc. It's all very Steven Gerrard.
Our goal difference is at LEAST 10 worse than every team above us. And so goal difference could well cost us a place (or more) in the league come May. As others have said, it's SO rare that goalie going up actually results in a goal (not necessarily from them scoring it), that it should only be an option if the goal has huge positive consequences, and also negligible negative consequences if you lose another goal i.e. You're about to go out of a cup, or it's the final couple of games in the season and you need the point(s) to avoid relegation or to get a place in Europe. A league game in Feb simply doesn't qualify, as losing a goal has consequences.
We lost 2-1 to Arsenal earlier in the season, but I don't remember Emi going up for a set-piece late in that game? If the third goal wasn't an OG I don't think he goes up - it was a rush of blood to the head based on him feeling responsible for us being behind against his old club.
It won't happen again, I'm sure of that.
Left with a choice of potentially getting a point or having no points and one additional goal in the minus column, I know what I'd choose. When you factor in the timing, a pissed off, emotional Emi or not, he made the right decision. Emery had so much to comment on about the game especially their third goal but he decided to be ridiculously petty instead. Each to their own.
Agree it won't happen again, more's the pity.
He didn't make the right decision though. We didn't score, and we immediately conceded. So it was the wrong decision. As I said above, sending the goalie up is an act of desperation, and ONLY makes sense if the rewards for a single goal FAR exceed the costs of conceding another one. A league game for a mid-table team in Feb simply doesn't qualify.
Games are lost by the odd goal dozens of times every single weekend up and down the county, and do you know how many times the keeper goes up in the last couple of minutes? It's practically zero, because in 95% of cases the potential rewards do not outweigh the potential risks.
If a goal in the 93rd minute would get us into Europe in our last game of the season, then by all means, send in the entire cavalry. But when you're 1-down in Feb to the league leaders? Nah.
So theoretically, come the end of the season you'd prefer we have less one goal against than one more point. You say it was the wrong decision because we didn't score but had we scored, what, it would have been the right decision? Maybe if Emery has said it was pointless Emi going up for the final corner in the last minute of the game because we're shit at corners and still don't know how to take them*, he'd have a more valid point.
*Luiz had been subbed.
Post by: Somniloquism on February 21, 2023, 05:19:09 PM
Lineker on MOTD also agrees with Emery in that they get in the way and he'd rather have the space than a keeper trying to cause chaos.
We also pay a set piece coach (whether he's effective or not is a differen argument) who has survived three managers and we toss away a corner for a keeper to run up and get in the way.
As well as conceding from corner kicks on a depressingly frequent basis. I don't get it, for three managers now we've been shite at both defending and attacking set pieces, yet that shaggy-haired chancer is still the one coach up and down the technical area all game.
I do wonder if that specific coach is actually a senior director appointment as no manager seems to replace him since he started here. And it is not like Emery doesn't have a large backroom staff we had to appoint as well to the detriment of some good coaches already here. (Cutler for one).
Post by: brontebilly on February 21, 2023, 05:46:28 PM
Lineker on MOTD also agrees with Emery in that they get in the way and he'd rather have the space than a keeper trying to cause chaos.
We also pay a set piece coach (whether he's effective or not is a differen argument) who has survived three managers and we toss away a corner for a keeper to run up and get in the way.
As well as conceding from corner kicks on a depressingly frequent basis. I don't get it, for three managers now we've been shite at both defending and attacking set pieces, yet that shaggy-haired chancer is still the one coach up and down the technical area all game.
We lack ball winners in both boxes. I can't even recall the last time Mings or Konsa even got close to scoring from a set piece. With Luiz taking them, delivery isn't a problem.
Post by: bob on February 21, 2023, 06:14:03 PM
Post by: bob on February 21, 2023, 06:20:10 PM
I thought Martinez had a poor game - his distribution was way off. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly a shit keeper and we should sell him.
I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.
Emery was very that he won’t be doing it again.
He's an idiot then. It was the 98th minute, we're 3-2 down, sure Emi's unlikely to score but he can add a bit of chaos in the box and maybe somebody else might score. I'm really struggling to understand why he's making such a big fuss over nothing. The media have picked up on it accusing him of throwing Emi under the bus etc. It's all very Steven Gerrard.
Our goal difference is at LEAST 10 worse than every team above us. And so goal difference could well cost us a place (or more) in the league come May. As others have said, it's SO rare that goalie going up actually results in a goal (not necessarily from them scoring it), that it should only be an option if the goal has huge positive consequences, and also negligible negative consequences if you lose another goal i.e. You're about to go out of a cup, or it's the final couple of games in the season and you need the point(s) to avoid relegation or to get a place in Europe. A league game in Feb simply doesn't qualify, as losing a goal has consequences.
We lost 2-1 to Arsenal earlier in the season, but I don't remember Emi going up for a set-piece late in that game? If the third goal wasn't an OG I don't think he goes up - it was a rush of blood to the head based on him feeling responsible for us being behind against his old club.
It won't happen again, I'm sure of that.
Left with a choice of potentially getting a point or having no points and one additional goal in the minus column, I know what I'd choose. When you factor in the timing, a pissed off, emotional Emi or not, he made the right decision. Emery had so much to comment on about the game especially their third goal but he decided to be ridiculously petty instead. Each to their own.
Agree it won't happen again, more's the pity.
He didn't make the right decision though. We didn't score, and we immediately conceded. So it was the wrong decision. As I said above, sending the goalie up is an act of desperation, and ONLY makes sense if the rewards for a single goal FAR exceed the costs of conceding another one. A league game for a mid-table team in Feb simply doesn't qualify.
Games are lost by the odd goal dozens of times every single weekend up and down the county, and do you know how many times the keeper goes up in the last couple of minutes? It's practically zero, because in 95% of cases the potential rewards do not outweigh the potential risks.
If a goal in the 93rd minute would get us into Europe in our last game of the season, then by all means, send in the entire cavalry. But when you're 1-down in Feb to the league leaders? Nah.
Even if Emi scored it would still have been the wrong decision, because a goal result from the keeper going up is so unlikely compared to conceding one. Unai said he didn't have the exact data but it's still correct not to go up based on all evidence, save for the extreme situations you suggest.
Post by: Beard82 on February 21, 2023, 06:37:59 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 21, 2023, 06:47:26 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on February 21, 2023, 07:05:44 PM
Post by: frank black on February 21, 2023, 08:53:06 PM
Some challenge that. Let’s see, but IMO he needs to stay.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on February 22, 2023, 08:22:25 AM
Post by: maidstonevillain on February 22, 2023, 08:28:59 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 22, 2023, 08:48:28 AM
Post by: algy on February 22, 2023, 09:20:57 AM
Post by: Drummond on February 22, 2023, 09:23:59 AM
Can't believe some of the talk on this forum sometimes. We've got literally the best goalkeeper in the world, who's repeatedly said how much he loves the Villa, and people can't be rid of him quickly enough.
It's the defence mechanism I think. If ratboy can do it then I guess the view is anyone can.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on February 22, 2023, 09:28:26 AM
Can't believe some of the talk on this forum sometimes. We've got literally the best goalkeeper in the world, who's repeatedly said how much he loves the Villa, and people can't be rid of him quickly enough.
THIS!!!!
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 22, 2023, 09:54:03 AM
No
Post by: LeeB on February 22, 2023, 09:57:49 AM
the best goalkeeper in the world?
No
Did you see the other two contenders last night?
Post by: Bully2345 on February 22, 2023, 09:58:30 AM
Post by: brontebilly on February 22, 2023, 10:02:01 AM
the best goalkeeper in the world?
No
Best keeper in PL for me. There's some very short memories on here. He made an unbelievable save at Soton only a few weeks ago that earned up two points.
Post by: Villan82 on February 22, 2023, 10:05:50 AM
He's going to be off in the Summer I'm pretty sure but lets not look for angles to bash the manager when he does. This manager has got what it takes, he's going to get us back on the path towards being a stable, challenging club rather than the no mark easy 3 points we've been so often the past decade.
The negatives have been gunning for Emery for weeks. It's bonkers.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 22, 2023, 10:11:38 AM
the best goalkeeper in the world?
No
Did you see the other two contenders last night?
I said this last night on the other matches thread, but I can't believe how much love Alisson gets - he drops so many clangers.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on February 22, 2023, 10:12:51 AM
That 3rd goal last Saturday was bad luck, and I believe he wanted to help the rest of the team by forcing an equaliser and unfortunately for us, Arsenal got the ball back to score again. They've got previous, Emi & Unai, haven't they, and people are using that to stir it up.
If he does wants to go, just hope it's abroad, and not to anyone else here. I'm sick of us selling our best players!
Rant over.
Post by: Rigadon on February 22, 2023, 10:24:32 AM
Can't believe some of the talk on this forum sometimes. We've got literally the best goalkeeper in the world, who's repeatedly said how much he loves the Villa, and people can't be rid of him quickly enough.
It's the defence mechanism I think. If ratboy can do it then I guess the view is anyone can.
There's something in that. I know I feel differently about players being sold since Grealish, in that he was literally the least likely to leave based on a personal connection with the club (he clearly thinks he can make it all right again by rejoining when his legs have gone a bit), but still left. I have no doubt Martinez will do the same, no doubt whatsoever, despite the fact he probably does like the club and feels a strong connection to it.
I'm not sure about 'best the world', but he is a good goalkeeper who'd be difficult to replace. But perhaps not impossible in the way Grealish was.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 22, 2023, 10:28:13 AM
Can't believe some of the talk on this forum sometimes. We've got literally the best goalkeeper in the world, who's repeatedly said how much he loves the Villa, and people can't be rid of him quickly enough.
It's the defence mechanism I think. If ratboy can do it then I guess the view is anyone can.
There's something in that. I know I feel differently about players being sold since Grealish, in that he was literally the least likely to leave based on a personal connection with the club (he clearly thinks he can make it all right again by rejoining when his legs have gone a bit), but still left. I have no doubt Martinez will do the same, no doubt whatsoever, despite the fact he probably does like the club and feels a strong connection to it.
I'm not sure about 'best the world', but he is a good goalkeeper who'd be difficult to replace. But perhaps not impossible in the way Grealish was.
Nail on the head for me and exactly the way I feel.
Post by: Allan C on February 22, 2023, 10:29:23 AM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 22, 2023, 10:31:09 AM
I see sections of the media are selling him for us now: they can all fork off!
If he does wants to go, just hope it's abroad, and not to anyone else here. I'm sick of us selling our best players!
I hope if it does happen it’s abroad as well but money could be a problem. A Villa podcast thought Chelsea and I could see that, we’d likely get the biggest fee possible the way that their throwing it around like confetti.
Post by: Goldenballs on February 22, 2023, 10:56:16 AM
I actually don't think he's bad with the ball at his feet. He's no Ederson, but nobody else is. I'm sure he's set up a few goals with some cracking long balls or quick throws.
Post by: OCD on February 22, 2023, 11:00:50 AM
Post by: Mister E on February 22, 2023, 11:02:53 AM
But Martinez has become a tactical problem with not releasing the ball quickly ... we should be playing quickly through the lines at every opportunity ... Martinez starting position behind a high defensive line needs to be at the edge of our box.These are all good points, variously made in other posts but summarised well here.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 22, 2023, 11:14:48 AM
Chelsea are well stocked with keepers. You'd think Man U or Spurs would be the most likely candidates in the PL.I see sections of the media are selling him for us now: they can all fork off!
If he does wants to go, just hope it's abroad, and not to anyone else here. I'm sick of us selling our best players!
I hope if it does happen it’s abroad as well but money could be a problem. A Villa podcast thought Chelsea and I could see that, we’d likely get the biggest fee possible the way that their throwing it around like confetti.
Personally I don't think we should consider selling him unless his relationship with Emery becomes untenable. The net profit after we've replaced him won't be that much and I just can't see how FFP can be a problem given our net spend over the last two seasons is about £48m (according to Transfermarkt)
Post by: chrisw1 on February 22, 2023, 11:17:46 AM
But Martinez has become a tactical problem with not releasing the ball quickly ... we should be playing quickly through the lines at every opportunity ... Martinez starting position behind a high defensive line needs to be at the edge of our box.He's more than capable of this. Look at his performance against Southampton
https://twitter.com/KeslerSZN/status/1628065582032596992?s=20
Post by: Risso on February 22, 2023, 11:24:14 AM
Post by: KevinGage on February 22, 2023, 11:42:26 AM
I’m sick to death of reading people seemingly happy to sell our best players but then moan when we’re hovering around the relegation zone when we have a bang average squad going nowhere. Who exactly would we replace Martinez with??? He’s currently our only world class player so let’s sell him!!!! We should be building around him and showing our ambition to encourage him to stay.
The preferred option is he stays, ofc.
But sometimes a player's own development outstrips that of the club. It's happened with Platt, Yorke, Barry and Grealish in my lifetime. Older fans will recalll Blanchflower and Gerry Hitchens.
Barry and Grealish stung in particular because, as a club, it felt we were on the right path at that time and they could achieve what they wanted with us.
In the case of Martinez, even the most optimistic Villa fan probably didn't think a long-time Arsenal reserve would go on to be spoken about as one of the world's best when he joined in 2020. The feeling in some circles at the time was we had overpaid, and with Heaton due to return from injury, it wasn't a position we needed to fill desperately.
The issue is, do we avoid deals like that and the Kamara one in the future - fully aware that such players will be away if we don't progress sufficiently? Or do we step up the succession planning and invest the proceeds from any sale in suitable replacements? That last part we've usually struggled with.
Post by: KevinGage on February 22, 2023, 11:44:30 AM
It was a nonsense decision to give Olsen more minutes after all the minutes he had prior to Stevenage.
It all matters.
Post by: Risso on February 22, 2023, 11:48:00 AM
Also, in the case of Martinez, he sounded pissed off with our cup exit in Jan - a game he wasn't even allowed to feature in.
It was a nonsense decision to give Olsen more minutes after all the minutes he had prior to Stevenage.
It all matters.
Yep, madness from Emery that.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 22, 2023, 12:01:52 PM
I definitely felt so at the time, but we were playing Stevenage and there's more to that loss than the keeper. Martinez has admitted he was still effected mentally by the w/c win, so maybe it was an understandable decision all circumstances considered. The tuth is we should have smashed them whoever was in goal.Also, in the case of Martinez, he sounded pissed off with our cup exit in Jan - a game he wasn't even allowed to feature in.
It was a nonsense decision to give Olsen more minutes after all the minutes he had prior to Stevenage.
It all matters.
Yep, madness from Emery that.
Post by: KevinGage on February 22, 2023, 12:28:25 PM
The U21s might have been good enough to beat Stevenage, we'll never know.
What we do know is we didn't give ourselves the best possible chance to win that game. Some get that point, some don't. There are a finite amount of chances a player like Martinez has to win a cup with Villa.
Our selections in both cup games under Emery looked more like we had fixtures to fulfill and wanted to get them out of the way.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 22, 2023, 12:35:11 PM
He'd had time off to spend Christmas with the family - unusual enough for a footballer at that time of year.Even so, if he wasn't mentally right picking him may not have been giving ourselves the best chance. At the time I thought he should have been back playing sooner, but he's said himself he was struggling after the win.
The U21s might have been good enough to beat Stevenage, we'll never know.
What we do know is we didn't give ourselves the best possible chance to win that game. Some get that point, some don't. There are a finite amount of chances a player like Martinez has to win a cup with Villa.
Our selections in both cup games under Emery looked more like we had fixtures to fulfill and wanted to get them out of the way.
The truth is almost every team in the top two leagues would have made changes against Stevenage. The selection wasn't the problem, the performance was.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 22, 2023, 12:45:42 PM
I’m sick to death of reading people seemingly happy to sell our best players but then moan when we’re hovering around the relegation zone when we have a bang average squad going nowhere. Who exactly would we replace Martinez with??? He’s currently our only world class player so let’s sell him!!!! We should be building around him and showing our ambition to encourage him to stay.
Yep true Allan. The only thing is, we have seen this before where top players pretty much always want to play in the CL. We're miles off it, probably some distance off Europe if we're honest and although Martinez isn't that old for a Goalkeeper he's certainly in his peak years. I don't want to see him go and i'm damn sure whoever we bring in will be well off the standard but i think with the way players are, and if he's desperate to go and we get a suitable fee i think how we are at the moment we'd have to accept it.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 22, 2023, 12:53:21 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 22, 2023, 12:56:34 PM
Chelsea are well stocked with keepers. You'd think Man U or Spurs would be the most likely candidates in the PL.I see sections of the media are selling him for us now: they can all fork off!
If he does wants to go, just hope it's abroad, and not to anyone else here. I'm sick of us selling our best players!
I hope if it does happen it’s abroad as well but money could be a problem. A Villa podcast thought Chelsea and I could see that, we’d likely get the biggest fee possible the way that their throwing it around like confetti.
Personally I don't think we should consider selling him unless his relationship with Emery becomes untenable. The net profit after we've replaced him won't be that much and I just can't see how FFP can be a problem given our net spend over the last two seasons is about £48m (according to Transfermarkt)
Mendy was first choice but has been replaced by the previously mocked Kepa. I think the last transfer window proved that it doesn’t matter what Chelsea need, they’ll spend indiscriminately.
I don’t think FFP will come into it it’s more a case of leaving to further his career.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 22, 2023, 01:21:13 PM
Maybe we should point out to any want-away players that ex-Villa players lured by a promise of CL football have, at best, by and large, been anonymous and ineffectual in it.
Not sure i'd agree, Yorke and Milner had some great times for starters, the likes of Young and Barry i don't remember struggling too much. You wouldn't say Grealish has looked out of place either.
I think what we need to do is show want away players that we actually mean business and really go for it in the transfer window. It still might be too late for Martinez but for someone like Kamara who i'm sure will be the next example, we need to finally stop the fannying about and build a squad this summer that for starters is going to bang on the door of those Europa League places.
Post by: eamonn on February 22, 2023, 01:43:09 PM
the best goalkeeper in the world?
No
Did you see the other two contenders last night?
T-bow made a right howler.
And I've never known an Alison with such thick facial hair. Could Elvis Costello sing his song looking deep into those goalkeeping eyes? I doubt it.
Post by: Rigadon on February 22, 2023, 01:43:57 PM
I’m sick to death of reading people seemingly happy to sell our best players but then moan when we’re hovering around the relegation zone when we have a bang average squad going nowhere. Who exactly would we replace Martinez with??? He’s currently our only world class player so let’s sell him!!!! We should be building around him and showing our ambition to encourage him to stay.
Who is saying they'd be happy? Most seem to be saying they don't want him to leave / be sold, with some resigned to the notion that he probably will be. With the league being so weak this year, our chance to show ambition was January. Maybe there's method in the decision not to splurge (right players being available etc), but I'd imagine that's all a bit meaningless for an over-30 year old player who's stock is as high as it ever will be. And even if wed have spent big to leap the might of Brighton and Fulham into contention with 4th place, that STILL might not have convinced / worked. He will also likely have a release clause, so no amount of ambition shown / promised will matter if he wants out and a club he wants to go to triggers that clause.
Post by: Smithy on February 22, 2023, 01:56:46 PM
I thought Martinez had a poor game - his distribution was way off. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly a shit keeper and we should sell him.
I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.
Emery was very that he won’t be doing it again.
He's an idiot then. It was the 98th minute, we're 3-2 down, sure Emi's unlikely to score but he can add a bit of chaos in the box and maybe somebody else might score. I'm really struggling to understand why he's making such a big fuss over nothing. The media have picked up on it accusing him of throwing Emi under the bus etc. It's all very Steven Gerrard.
Our goal difference is at LEAST 10 worse than every team above us. And so goal difference could well cost us a place (or more) in the league come May. As others have said, it's SO rare that goalie going up actually results in a goal (not necessarily from them scoring it), that it should only be an option if the goal has huge positive consequences, and also negligible negative consequences if you lose another goal i.e. You're about to go out of a cup, or it's the final couple of games in the season and you need the point(s) to avoid relegation or to get a place in Europe. A league game in Feb simply doesn't qualify, as losing a goal has consequences.
We lost 2-1 to Arsenal earlier in the season, but I don't remember Emi going up for a set-piece late in that game? If the third goal wasn't an OG I don't think he goes up - it was a rush of blood to the head based on him feeling responsible for us being behind against his old club.
It won't happen again, I'm sure of that.
Left with a choice of potentially getting a point or having no points and one additional goal in the minus column, I know what I'd choose. When you factor in the timing, a pissed off, emotional Emi or not, he made the right decision. Emery had so much to comment on about the game especially their third goal but he decided to be ridiculously petty instead. Each to their own.
Agree it won't happen again, more's the pity.
He didn't make the right decision though. We didn't score, and we immediately conceded. So it was the wrong decision. As I said above, sending the goalie up is an act of desperation, and ONLY makes sense if the rewards for a single goal FAR exceed the costs of conceding another one. A league game for a mid-table team in Feb simply doesn't qualify.
Games are lost by the odd goal dozens of times every single weekend up and down the county, and do you know how many times the keeper goes up in the last couple of minutes? It's practically zero, because in 95% of cases the potential rewards do not outweigh the potential risks.
If a goal in the 93rd minute would get us into Europe in our last game of the season, then by all means, send in the entire cavalry. But when you're 1-down in Feb to the league leaders? Nah.
So theoretically, come the end of the season you'd prefer we have less one goal against than one more point. You say it was the wrong decision because we didn't score but had we scored, what, it would have been the right decision? Maybe if Emery has said it was pointless Emi going up for the final corner in the last minute of the game because we're shit at corners and still don't know how to take them*, he'd have a more valid point.
*Luiz had been subbed.
No, I'd much prefer the point. Who wouldn't? But the mistake you've made is in thinking that us scoring a goal while the keeper is up is AS LIKELY as us conceding one when he's up. It's not. One is FAR more likely than the other. I don't have the numbers required to tell you what those probabilities are, but I guarantee the clubs know them.
If having your goalie go up for a set piece increased your chances of scoring more than it increased your chances of conceding, then EVERY club would do it - for EVERY single set piece. The simple fact is it doesn't. The opposite is true. It makes it more likely you'll concede, which is why teams don't do it. Attackers and the ball move FAR quicker than goalies, so if you DON'T score you're facing a counter attack with your goal defended by players who can't use their hands while your goalie "sprints" back into position.
As I've said repeatedly, it's a desperate last throw of the dice, and generally only makes sense when the risk of conceding another goal makes little to no difference.
If we sent Emi up for every corner we get for the rest of the season, do you think we'd score more than we concede in the minute or so from the corner being awarded?
Post by: LukeJames on February 22, 2023, 02:02:56 PM
I thought Martinez had a poor game - his distribution was way off. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly a shit keeper and we should sell him.
I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.
Emery was very that he won’t be doing it again.
He's an idiot then. It was the 98th minute, we're 3-2 down, sure Emi's unlikely to score but he can add a bit of chaos in the box and maybe somebody else might score. I'm really struggling to understand why he's making such a big fuss over nothing. The media have picked up on it accusing him of throwing Emi under the bus etc. It's all very Steven Gerrard.
Our goal difference is at LEAST 10 worse than every team above us. And so goal difference could well cost us a place (or more) in the league come May. As others have said, it's SO rare that goalie going up actually results in a goal (not necessarily from them scoring it), that it should only be an option if the goal has huge positive consequences, and also negligible negative consequences if you lose another goal i.e. You're about to go out of a cup, or it's the final couple of games in the season and you need the point(s) to avoid relegation or to get a place in Europe. A league game in Feb simply doesn't qualify, as losing a goal has consequences.
We lost 2-1 to Arsenal earlier in the season, but I don't remember Emi going up for a set-piece late in that game? If the third goal wasn't an OG I don't think he goes up - it was a rush of blood to the head based on him feeling responsible for us being behind against his old club.
It won't happen again, I'm sure of that.
Left with a choice of potentially getting a point or having no points and one additional goal in the minus column, I know what I'd choose. When you factor in the timing, a pissed off, emotional Emi or not, he made the right decision. Emery had so much to comment on about the game especially their third goal but he decided to be ridiculously petty instead. Each to their own.
Agree it won't happen again, more's the pity.
He didn't make the right decision though. We didn't score, and we immediately conceded. So it was the wrong decision. As I said above, sending the goalie up is an act of desperation, and ONLY makes sense if the rewards for a single goal FAR exceed the costs of conceding another one. A league game for a mid-table team in Feb simply doesn't qualify.
Games are lost by the odd goal dozens of times every single weekend up and down the county, and do you know how many times the keeper goes up in the last couple of minutes? It's practically zero, because in 95% of cases the potential rewards do not outweigh the potential risks.
If a goal in the 93rd minute would get us into Europe in our last game of the season, then by all means, send in the entire cavalry. But when you're 1-down in Feb to the league leaders? Nah.
So theoretically, come the end of the season you'd prefer we have less one goal against than one more point. You say it was the wrong decision because we didn't score but had we scored, what, it would have been the right decision? Maybe if Emery has said it was pointless Emi going up for the final corner in the last minute of the game because we're shit at corners and still don't know how to take them*, he'd have a more valid point.
*Luiz had been subbed.
No, I'd much prefer the point. Who wouldn't? But the mistake you've made is in thinking that us scoring a goal while the keeper is up is AS LIKELY as us conceding one when he's up. It's not. One is FAR more likely than the other. I don't have the numbers required to tell you what those probabilities are, but I guarantee the clubs know them.
If having your goalie go up for a set piece increased your chances of scoring more than it increased your chances of conceding, then EVERY club would do it - for EVERY single set piece. The simple fact is it doesn't. The opposite is true. It makes it more likely you'll concede, which is why teams don't do it. Attackers and the ball move FAR quicker than goalies, so if you DON'T score you're facing a counter attack with your goal defended by players who can't use their hands while your goalie "sprints" back into position.
As I've said repeatedly, it's a desperate last throw of the dice, and generally only makes sense when the risk of conceding another goal makes little to no difference.
Like saturday.
Post by: Chris Smith on February 22, 2023, 02:03:54 PM
‘And maybe 20 times they [the opposition] are doing the transition and 10 times they will score a goal. And today, it happened.”
Post by: Smithy on February 22, 2023, 02:27:17 PM
I thought Martinez had a poor game - his distribution was way off. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly a shit keeper and we should sell him.
I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.
Emery was very that he won’t be doing it again.
He's an idiot then. It was the 98th minute, we're 3-2 down, sure Emi's unlikely to score but he can add a bit of chaos in the box and maybe somebody else might score. I'm really struggling to understand why he's making such a big fuss over nothing. The media have picked up on it accusing him of throwing Emi under the bus etc. It's all very Steven Gerrard.
Our goal difference is at LEAST 10 worse than every team above us. And so goal difference could well cost us a place (or more) in the league come May. As others have said, it's SO rare that goalie going up actually results in a goal (not necessarily from them scoring it), that it should only be an option if the goal has huge positive consequences, and also negligible negative consequences if you lose another goal i.e. You're about to go out of a cup, or it's the final couple of games in the season and you need the point(s) to avoid relegation or to get a place in Europe. A league game in Feb simply doesn't qualify, as losing a goal has consequences.
We lost 2-1 to Arsenal earlier in the season, but I don't remember Emi going up for a set-piece late in that game? If the third goal wasn't an OG I don't think he goes up - it was a rush of blood to the head based on him feeling responsible for us being behind against his old club.
It won't happen again, I'm sure of that.
Left with a choice of potentially getting a point or having no points and one additional goal in the minus column, I know what I'd choose. When you factor in the timing, a pissed off, emotional Emi or not, he made the right decision. Emery had so much to comment on about the game especially their third goal but he decided to be ridiculously petty instead. Each to their own.
Agree it won't happen again, more's the pity.
He didn't make the right decision though. We didn't score, and we immediately conceded. So it was the wrong decision. As I said above, sending the goalie up is an act of desperation, and ONLY makes sense if the rewards for a single goal FAR exceed the costs of conceding another one. A league game for a mid-table team in Feb simply doesn't qualify.
Games are lost by the odd goal dozens of times every single weekend up and down the county, and do you know how many times the keeper goes up in the last couple of minutes? It's practically zero, because in 95% of cases the potential rewards do not outweigh the potential risks.
If a goal in the 93rd minute would get us into Europe in our last game of the season, then by all means, send in the entire cavalry. But when you're 1-down in Feb to the league leaders? Nah.
So theoretically, come the end of the season you'd prefer we have less one goal against than one more point. You say it was the wrong decision because we didn't score but had we scored, what, it would have been the right decision? Maybe if Emery has said it was pointless Emi going up for the final corner in the last minute of the game because we're shit at corners and still don't know how to take them*, he'd have a more valid point.
*Luiz had been subbed.
No, I'd much prefer the point. Who wouldn't? But the mistake you've made is in thinking that us scoring a goal while the keeper is up is AS LIKELY as us conceding one when he's up. It's not. One is FAR more likely than the other. I don't have the numbers required to tell you what those probabilities are, but I guarantee the clubs know them.
If having your goalie go up for a set piece increased your chances of scoring more than it increased your chances of conceding, then EVERY club would do it - for EVERY single set piece. The simple fact is it doesn't. The opposite is true. It makes it more likely you'll concede, which is why teams don't do it. Attackers and the ball move FAR quicker than goalies, so if you DON'T score you're facing a counter attack with your goal defended by players who can't use their hands while your goalie "sprints" back into position.
As I've said repeatedly, it's a desperate last throw of the dice, and generally only makes sense when the risk of conceding another goal makes little to no difference.
Like saturday.
But by that logic, that's true of every single game that any team is ever losing by the odd goal? The reality is, goal difference DOES matter in the league. Last season, the difference between 9th and 10th position was two goals. £2.2m in prize money for one league place, over two extra goals across the entire season. Fine margins. The season before (when we finished 11th) 12th and 13th place were separated by goals scored. So when you suggest it made "little or no difference" on Saturday, you might be right come the season end, and that Arsenal's 4th goal makes no difference in the end - but goal difference DOES matter, and it could determine our final league place.
Post by: Smithy on February 22, 2023, 02:27:58 PM
In his post match interview Emery said he didn’t have the exact figures but “maybe it’s one goal out of 100 [that goalkeepers score from corners].
‘And maybe 20 times they [the opposition] are doing the transition and 10 times they will score a goal. And today, it happened.”
I didn't hear that, but it's good to know there are some numbers behind my theory!
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 22, 2023, 02:30:44 PM
He said shipping four goals embarrassed him, and it's not much of a jump of the imagination to see that maybe it actually does make a difference conceding the fourth, as the hangover is felt into the next week.
FWIW I don't think Emery talked about that at length because of the outcome per se.
I think he was more using it as an obvious example of how the players were not doing what he'd told them to do, rather than it being, say, an incredibly stupid thing to do (which it was not).
Post by: brontebilly on February 22, 2023, 02:39:36 PM
Maybe we should point out to any want-away players that ex-Villa players lured by a promise of CL football have, at best, by and large, been anonymous and ineffectual in it.
The four ex-captains? we had that left to join Man City might disagree as they all won PL medals. Barry was a key player for them if I recall correctly and is still fondly remembered by their fans today. I think even Delph had at least one very strong season at left back for them. The other two from memory were more squad players, still time for Grealish to shape his legacy there.
Bosnich and Benteke both flopped badly post Villa. Yorke was a superstar for about maybe 2 seasons post Villa.
The likes of Dortmund don't get too upset with players moving on but at a time the club decides.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 22, 2023, 02:43:51 PM
Bosnich and Benteke both flopped badly post Villa. Yorke was a superstar for about maybe 2 seasons post Villa.
The likes of Dortmund don't get too upset with players moving on but at a time the club decides.
Bosnich won the league in his first season away from us. He didn't win much subsequently but it's one league title more than he'd have won with us.
re Dortmund - yes, you're right on that one, but then again, that's probably a contributing factor to Bayern winning the last 10 league titles so it's not working that well.
Post by: Allan C on February 22, 2023, 04:10:05 PM
Ok (although some certainly seem happy) resigned to selling. But if we’re ever to progress, we’ve got to stop selling our best players. Failure to do so will see us endlessly where we are now or worse. Players like Martinez have got to be sold a plan for the future and their part in it. We failed with Grealish, we don’t want to fail with EmiI’m sick to death of reading people seemingly happy to sell our best players but then moan when we’re hovering around the relegation zone when we have a bang average squad going nowhere. Who exactly would we replace Martinez with??? He’s currently our only world class player so let’s sell him!!!! We should be building around him and showing our ambition to encourage him to stay.
Who is saying they'd be happy? Most seem to be saying they don't want him to leave / be sold, with some resigned to the notion that he probably will be. With the league being so weak this year, our chance to show ambition was January. Maybe there's method in the decision not to splurge (right players being available etc), but I'd imagine that's all a bit meaningless for an over-30 year old player who's stock is as high as it ever will be. And even if wed have spent big to leap the might of Brighton and Fulham into contention with 4th place, that STILL might not have convinced / worked. He will also likely have a release clause, so no amount of ambition shown / promised will matter if he wants out and a club he wants to go to triggers that clause.
Post by: algy on February 22, 2023, 04:17:37 PM
He'd had time off to spend Christmas with the family - unusual enough for a footballer at that time of year.No, but we have a pretty good idea - the U21s went out of the Leyland DAF Cup, or whatever it's called, in the first round - I think finishing bottom of the group. No way they're beating Stevenage, unfortunately.
The U21s might have been good enough to beat Stevenage, we'll never know.
What we do know is we didn't give ourselves the best possible chance to win that game. Some get that point, some don't. There are a finite amount of chances a player like Martinez has to win a cup with Villa.
Our selections in both cup games under Emery looked more like we had fixtures to fulfill and wanted to get them out of the way.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 22, 2023, 04:26:26 PM
Maybe we should point out to any want-away players that ex-Villa players lured by a promise of CL football have, at best, by and large, been anonymous and ineffectual in it.
The four ex-captains? we had that left to join Man City might disagree as they all won PL medals. Barry was a key player for them if I recall correctly and is still fondly remembered by their fans today. I think even Delph had at least one very strong season at left back for them. The other two from memory were more squad players, still time for Grealish to shape his legacy there.
Bosnich and Benteke both flopped badly post Villa. Yorke was a superstar for about maybe 2 seasons post Villa.
The likes of Dortmund don't get too upset with players moving on but at a time the club decides.
I was on about Champions League.
Post by: john e on February 22, 2023, 06:04:53 PM
I thought Martinez had a poor game - his distribution was way off. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly a shit keeper and we should sell him.
I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.
Emery was very that he won’t be doing it again.
He's an idiot then. It was the 98th minute, we're 3-2 down, sure Emi's unlikely to score but he can add a bit of chaos in the box and maybe somebody else might score. I'm really struggling to understand why he's making such a big fuss over nothing. The media have picked up on it accusing him of throwing Emi under the bus etc. It's all very Steven Gerrard.
Our goal difference is at LEAST 10 worse than every team above us. And so goal difference could well cost us a place (or more) in the league come May. As others have said, it's SO rare that goalie going up actually results in a goal (not necessarily from them scoring it), that it should only be an option if the goal has huge positive consequences, and also negligible negative consequences if you lose another goal i.e. You're about to go out of a cup, or it's the final couple of games in the season and you need the point(s) to avoid relegation or to get a place in Europe. A league game in Feb simply doesn't qualify, as losing a goal has consequences.
We lost 2-1 to Arsenal earlier in the season, but I don't remember Emi going up for a set-piece late in that game? If the third goal wasn't an OG I don't think he goes up - it was a rush of blood to the head based on him feeling responsible for us being behind against his old club.
It won't happen again, I'm sure of that.
Left with a choice of potentially getting a point or having no points and one additional goal in the minus column, I know what I'd choose. When you factor in the timing, a pissed off, emotional Emi or not, he made the right decision. Emery had so much to comment on about the game especially their third goal but he decided to be ridiculously petty instead. Each to their own.
Agree it won't happen again, more's the pity.
He didn't make the right decision though. We didn't score, and we immediately conceded. So it was the wrong decision. As I said above, sending the goalie up is an act of desperation, and ONLY makes sense if the rewards for a single goal FAR exceed the costs of conceding another one. A league game for a mid-table team in Feb simply doesn't qualify.
Games are lost by the odd goal dozens of times every single weekend up and down the county, and do you know how many times the keeper goes up in the last couple of minutes? It's practically zero, because in 95% of cases the potential rewards do not outweigh the potential risks.
If a goal in the 93rd minute would get us into Europe in our last game of the season, then by all means, send in the entire cavalry. But when you're 1-down in Feb to the league leaders? Nah.
So theoretically, come the end of the season you'd prefer we have less one goal against than one more point. You say it was the wrong decision because we didn't score but had we scored, what, it would have been the right decision? Maybe if Emery has said it was pointless Emi going up for the final corner in the last minute of the game because we're shit at corners and still don't know how to take them*, he'd have a more valid point.
*Luiz had been subbed.
No, I'd much prefer the point. Who wouldn't? But the mistake you've made is in thinking that us scoring a goal while the keeper is up is AS LIKELY as us conceding one when he's up. It's not. One is FAR more likely than the other. I don't have the numbers required to tell you what those probabilities are, but I guarantee the clubs know them.
If having your goalie go up for a set piece increased your chances of scoring more than it increased your chances of conceding, then EVERY club would do it - for EVERY single set piece. The simple fact is it doesn't. The opposite is true. It makes it more likely you'll concede, which is why teams don't do it. Attackers and the ball move FAR quicker than goalies, so if you DON'T score you're facing a counter attack with your goal defended by players who can't use their hands while your goalie "sprints" back into position.
As I've said repeatedly, it's a desperate last throw of the dice, and generally only makes sense when the risk of conceding another goal makes little to no difference.
Like saturday.
He’s answered his own question right there
Post by: Smirker on February 22, 2023, 08:37:34 PM
If we sold for that or there is a clause in the contract for that, that's an insult.
You'd pay more for a worse keeper.
Post by: astonvilla82 on February 22, 2023, 08:43:22 PM
40m fee speculated on Twatter.you could disguise Olsen as Martinez and sell him off I think we could get away with it for one game
If we sold for that or there is a clause in the contract for that, that's an insult.
You'd pay more for a worse keeper.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 22, 2023, 08:47:41 PM
Post by: nigel on February 22, 2023, 09:31:41 PM
the best goalkeeper in the world?
No
I agree
But he’s certainly in the top one
Post by: brian green on February 22, 2023, 09:54:57 PM
Post by: nigel on February 23, 2023, 09:10:17 AM
Copyright Clough, Brian.
👍
Post by: eamonn on February 23, 2023, 09:21:12 AM
You can literally make anything up on Twitter and get people to believe it. Think about it rationally. Before he signed his new contract he would have been worth way more than that in today’s market. Let alone now
Obviously but what if we have put in a low-release clause in order for him to sign a new deal? Hope not. We don't wanna get Delph'd.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 23, 2023, 09:22:19 AM
He's got 4.5 years left on his contract. In my view the only reason we'd sell is if there's a personality clash with Emery. IF we chose to, I was thinking prob £70-£80m, but maybe £50 ish is closer to the mark?
Geting a replacement would be hard. You'd probably say Raya, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him go to Spurs. Otherwise it's thin pickings in the PL.
Kepa Arrizabalaga Athletic Club to Chelsea €80m 2018-19
Alisson Roma to Liverpool €62.5m 2018-19
Gianluigi Buffon Parma to Juventus €52.88m 2001-02
Ederson Benfica to Manchester City €40m 2017-18
Jasper Cillesen Barcelona to Valencia €35m 2019-20
Thibaut Courtois Chelsea to Real Madrid €35m 2018-19
Manuel Neuer Schalke to Bayern Munich €30m 2011-12
Jordan Pickford Sunderland to Everton €28.5m 2017-18
Aaron Ramsdale Sheffield United to Arsenal €28m 2021-22
Francesco Toldo Fiorentina to Inter Milan €26.5m 2001-02
Post by: Rigadon on February 23, 2023, 09:35:24 AM
I must admit keepers don't tend to go for as much as I thought. I'm not sure why, they're vital to become a great team.
He's got 4.5 years left on his contract. In my view the only reason we'd sell is if there's a personality clash with Emery. IF we chose to, I was thinking prob £70-£80m, but maybe £50 ish is closer to the mark?
Geting a replacement would be hard. You'd probably say Raya, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him go to Spurs. Otherwise it's thin pickings in the PL.
Kepa Arrizabalaga Athletic Club to Chelsea €80m 2018-19
Alisson Roma to Liverpool €62.5m 2018-19
Gianluigi Buffon Parma to Juventus €52.88m 2001-02
Ederson Benfica to Manchester City €40m 2017-18
Jasper Cillesen Barcelona to Valencia €35m 2019-20
Thibaut Courtois Chelsea to Real Madrid €35m 2018-19
Manuel Neuer Schalke to Bayern Munich €30m 2011-12
Jordan Pickford Sunderland to Everton €28.5m 2017-18
Aaron Ramsdale Sheffield United to Arsenal €28m 2021-22
Francesco Toldo Fiorentina to Inter Milan €26.5m 2001-02
If there is a release clause and he wants to go, what the club or Emery want is irrelevant. £50m would be about right I'd think (but, again, it'll be whatever the release clause is).
Post by: chrisw1 on February 23, 2023, 09:38:30 AM
Post by: Rigadon on February 23, 2023, 09:41:13 AM
I'd be amazed if there's a release clause. The owners were massively pissed off by the Jack sale. There was still a few years left on Martinez's original contract when we renewed, I really don't think we would have accepted any type of release clasue at that time - certainly not within the first 2-3 years anyway.
We'll soon fund out I guess! Hope you're right.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 23, 2023, 09:59:29 AM
Post by: Bad English on February 23, 2023, 11:14:50 AM
there is no guarantee he will be going anywhere in the short term just because he stated an aim to play CL.
Junior Soprano, Angie Dickinson quote gif required.
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Post by: Billy Walker on February 23, 2023, 11:44:48 AM
Post by: Risso on February 23, 2023, 12:39:31 PM
Not sure if it's been previously mentioned but I wonder if there's a sell-on clause? If Arsenal are due a relatively large chunk of the profit, would it be worth our while selling Emi?
Difficult to know, but my guess would be not. He wasn't an 18 year old future prospect, he was somebody in his late 20s who they'd let play in a handful of League Cup games, and who they had continually shipped out on loan.
Post by: Beard82 on February 23, 2023, 03:07:27 PM
I bet he has one, but I would think it would be a reasonably high, but probably less then we would ideally want given how is reputation has just exploded since the world cupYou can literally make anything up on Twitter and get people to believe it. Think about it rationally. Before he signed his new contract he would have been worth way more than that in today’s market. Let alone now
Obviously but what if we have put in a low-release clause in order for him to sign a new deal? Hope not. We don't wanna get Delph'd.
Post by: darren woolley on February 23, 2023, 03:16:18 PM
Post by: TaxDodger on February 23, 2023, 03:48:52 PM
Jordan Pickford is about to sign a new contract with Everton.
At least we don't have to worry about signing him if we do sell Emi then.
Post by: LeeB on February 23, 2023, 04:32:14 PM
Jordan Pickford is about to sign a new contract with Everton.
At least we don't have to worry about signing him if we do sell Emi then.
Thank God. If we sold Emi and signed him I think I'd be sick, like physically and everything.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2023, 09:18:25 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2023, 08:32:15 PM
Well done Emi!!! Best keeper in the world
Post by: LeonW on February 27, 2023, 08:33:19 PM
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Well done Emi!!! Best keeper in the world
Congrats Emi. What a great moment for him and it’s something we should be proud of.
Post by: dave shelley on February 27, 2023, 08:33:57 PM
Congrats Emi, well deserved.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 27, 2023, 08:39:50 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2023, 08:41:53 PM
No word yet if he used the trophy as an extension of his penis as he left the stage
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2023, 08:47:57 PM
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Post by: Beard82 on February 27, 2023, 09:05:32 PM
Well deserved - he has clearly worked very very hard and is very driven.
Bit shout out for BigCutts too!
Whatever happens this can only be a good thing for Villa and for him
Post by: SaddVillan on February 27, 2023, 09:08:17 PM
Referenced his wife standing by his side and family, his Argentina team mates, the Villa, and the difficulties that Argentina is facing economically.
Said: People asked who were my idols, what goalkeeper keeper did you dream of when you were a child.
When I was growing up I remember my Mom cleaning buildings 8 hours a day, and my father working so hard.
They are my idols. Thank you.
Post by: LeonW on February 27, 2023, 09:10:34 PM
Post by: Billy Walker on February 27, 2023, 09:12:30 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 27, 2023, 09:12:43 PM
There should be more love for this achievement. It’s a fantastic moment and one we should be proud of.
Agreed. When was the last time we could say we had the best in the world playing for us? McGrath, maybe. I can't think of any others.
Post by: LeonW on February 27, 2023, 09:17:44 PM
There should be more love for this achievement. It’s a fantastic moment and one we should be proud of.
Agreed. When was the last time we could say we had the best in the world playing for us? McGrath, maybe. I can't think of any others.
I think McGrath got a vote for the best player award in 1993 or 1994 when Baggio won it. This is actually having one of our own players winning it. We should be delighted. He achieved this since he became a Villa player. It may never be repeated again.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2023, 09:17:49 PM
Post by: Beard82 on February 27, 2023, 09:18:16 PM
Well done to him, the club and everyone involved in this. This can only be a really good thing for everyone involved!
Post by: Beard82 on February 27, 2023, 09:19:11 PM
And there is a very good chance he might not have achieved this if he hadnt become a Villa player.There should be more love for this achievement. It’s a fantastic moment and one we should be proud of.
Agreed. When was the last time we could say we had the best in the world playing for us? McGrath, maybe. I can't think of any others.
I think McGrath got a vote for the best player award in 1993 or 1994 when Baggio won it. This is actually having one of our own players winning it. We should be delighted. He achieved this since he became a Villa player. It may never be repeated again.
Post by: Exeter 77 on February 27, 2023, 09:21:13 PM
Just what I was thinking. McGrath was the best player in his position in the world alongside Baresi at the time. This is the first time we've had it made 'official' we have the best player in his position.There should be more love for this achievement. It’s a fantastic moment and one we should be proud of.
Agreed. When was the last time we could say we had the best in the world playing for us? McGrath, maybe. I can't think of any others.
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 27, 2023, 09:21:31 PM
Post by: LeonW on February 27, 2023, 09:22:43 PM
And there is a very good chance he might not have achieved this if he hadnt become a Villa player.There should be more love for this achievement. It’s a fantastic moment and one we should be proud of.
Agreed. When was the last time we could say we had the best in the world playing for us? McGrath, maybe. I can't think of any others.
I think McGrath got a vote for the best player award in 1993 or 1994 when Baggio won it. This is actually having one of our own players winning it. We should be delighted. He achieved this since he became a Villa player. It may never be repeated again.
He wouldn’t have as he’d have at least been an Arsenal rotational player for a year with Leno so may never have got into Argentina’s squad for the Copa America and end up being such a key player. He almost beat Friedal’s clean sheets record in his first season. He had to leave Arsenal to come to Villa to achieve winning a copa America, World Cup and this award.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2023, 09:25:59 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on February 27, 2023, 09:26:59 PM
And there is a very good chance he might not have achieved this if he hadnt become a Villa player.There should be more love for this achievement. It’s a fantastic moment and one we should be proud of.
Agreed. When was the last time we could say we had the best in the world playing for us? McGrath, maybe. I can't think of any others.
I think McGrath got a vote for the best player award in 1993 or 1994 when Baggio won it. This is actually having one of our own players winning it. We should be delighted. He achieved this since he became a Villa player. It may never be repeated again.
True for both McGrath and Emi.
McGrath at Villa was an exceptional player club and country. As good as Baresi or Rijkaard during late 80s into 90s.
In terms of absolute World Class - for Villa club and country I'd count Platt and McGrath for us but latter a couple of rungs above Platt.
Great to have another with Emi
(Yorke unlucky as T&T were a very small country though he made them better. )
Post by: Beard82 on February 27, 2023, 09:29:26 PM
Bizarrely not in the world XI as best keeper. Went to Courtois.Well clearly there needed to be something to show the complete ineptness of footballs governing bodies
Post by: curiousorange on February 27, 2023, 09:50:53 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2023, 09:52:06 PM
So, the question has to be asked...is he Villa's best ever goalkeeper?
That could be chewed over for hours. What is certain is that he is by far our most decorated internationally at least.
Post by: curiousorange on February 27, 2023, 09:53:42 PM
So, the question has to be asked...is he Villa's best ever goalkeeper?
That could be chewed over for hours. What is certain is that he is by far our most decorated internationally at least.
If these kinds of awards mean anything, officially he is. But there are plenty of other criteria you could use. Not to mention he hasn't picked up a trophy in Villa colours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 27, 2023, 09:53:42 PM
So, the question has to be asked...is he Villa's best ever goalkeeper?
That depends on whether he fucks off in the summer!
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 27, 2023, 09:56:25 PM
So, the question has to be asked...is he Villa's best ever goalkeeper?No.
Rimmer J.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on February 27, 2023, 10:17:21 PM
So, the question has to be asked...is he Villa's best ever goalkeeper?
Certainly the best I've seen for us. Far more consistent than Bosnich.
Post by: adrenachrome on February 27, 2023, 10:23:30 PM
So, the question has to be asked...is he Villa's best ever goalkeeper?No.
Rimmer J.
Rimmer, Evans, Mortimer, Withe.
That's a spine. It's like will not be there again.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 27, 2023, 10:27:18 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on February 27, 2023, 10:38:02 PM
Post by: andyh on February 27, 2023, 10:41:27 PM
£50m ? £75m ? £100m ?
I doubt there are many clubs who could afford him outside of the oil clubs.
Post by: olaftab on February 27, 2023, 10:52:25 PM
Damiano and Amanda are pleased, and will be dining on Findus Crispy Pancakes and arctic roll, followed by some heavy petting on RyanAir flight R36985. They're due back in Rednal at 2am.36985 was overbooked so Dam and Ama were left behind…poor babes.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 27, 2023, 11:19:28 PM
Damiano and Amanda are pleased, and will be dining on Findus Crispy Pancakes and arctic roll, followed by some heavy petting on RyanAir flight R36985. They're due back in Rednal at 2am.
36985 was overbooked so Dam and Ama were left behind…poor babes.
Sounds like a bogus story to me, Ryanair's airline code is FR and their flight numbers use a maximum of 4 digits.
Post by: Smirker on February 28, 2023, 01:54:07 AM
Post by: Rory on February 28, 2023, 02:47:47 AM
Post by: jwarry on February 28, 2023, 04:12:14 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 28, 2023, 04:38:48 AM
Post by: LeonW on February 28, 2023, 05:35:59 AM
I think Emi will be with us for at least one more season. There is no obvious landing spot for him right now at the price we will insist on. And I think he will also feel a sense of loyalty towards us so soon after signing a new deal. But we absolutely must prove to him over the summer we are serious about competing at the top end of the table. And because he’s still young (keepers tend to go longer), he will have time on his side to play in the CL if we cannot help him get there, or Europa at minimum. So hopefully we will see a strong finish and a summer of key additions to help keep him at the club. And who knows, a long shot admittedly, but maybe we squeak in this season with a good run between now and May.
I’d love him to stay and I agree with what you’ve said. I think some supporters have been scarred by our better players going, particularly Joe, that they’ve resigned themselves to Martinez going and so are getting it in first, so to speak. But if that’s correct and it transmits, then it’s hardly going to persuade him to stay if indeed he was thinking of moving.
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 28, 2023, 06:38:10 AM
Palace game he should get a standing ovation 8)
Agree with this, i thought it was a little understated before the Leeds game. So it would be good if VP made a big deal of this.
In my time going to the Villa, he’s no 1. I only saw Rimmer a few times and was too young to remember. Massive affection for Spinksy for obvious reasons, but he wasn’t in the same class. Bozzie was great, but again i think Emi is better. How confident do we all feel when crosses are slung into the box compared to previous times.
Post by: Mister E on February 28, 2023, 07:23:38 AM
My misty / rose-tinted specs say Rimmer was top dog but - hey! - we're talking about two top-class keepers here. Emi clearly has had more international recognition than Jimmy but Jimmy was up against probably the 2 best keepers of the time in Shilton and Clemence.Palace game he should get a standing ovation 8)
Agree with this, i thought it was a little understated before the Leeds game. So it would be good if VP made a big deal of this.
In my time going to the Villa, he’s no 1. I only saw Rimmer a few times and was too young to remember. Massive affection for Spinksy for obvious reasons, but he wasn’t in the same class. Bozzie was great, but again i think Emi is better. How confident do we all feel when crosses are slung into the box compared to previous times.
Post by: Hillbilly on February 28, 2023, 07:26:48 AM
Bizarrely not in the world XI as best keeper. Went to Courtois.
That’s because they have their lips sewn to Real Madrid’s arse.
Post by: nigel on February 28, 2023, 08:08:17 AM
How much is the best goalkeeper in the world worth?
£50m ? £75m ? £100m ?
I doubt there are many clubs who could afford him outside of the oil clubs.
I think we could have been looking in the region of £65m-£70m before, I guess you can probably add £15m on top.
My only concern over him leaving is if he fancies club football with Messi, and PSG could certainly afford that kind of money.
Post by: Martin Carruthers on February 28, 2023, 08:13:05 AM
Post by: nigel on February 28, 2023, 08:33:22 AM
PSG have got Donarumma, can't imagine them being in for another keeper when they're supposedly trying to cut their wage bill.
Ah, didn’t know who their keeper is.
Post by: Clampy on February 28, 2023, 08:36:48 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 28, 2023, 08:43:15 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 28, 2023, 08:49:26 AM
The obvious destination is Spurs, new money incoming in and doubts increasing over Lloris.
This is it really, if/when he foes, hopefully not in the summer, but either way. Ill be gutted if its one if the sky super six, much rather it was abroad
Post by: algy on February 28, 2023, 08:51:18 AM
In two years time we'll be in the Sky Super 6.The obvious destination is Spurs, new money incoming in and doubts increasing over Lloris.
This is it really, if/when he foes, hopefully not in the summer, but either way. Ill be gutted if its one if the sky super six, much rather it was abroad
Post by: Drummond on February 28, 2023, 09:09:02 AM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 28, 2023, 09:19:55 AM
The obvious destination is Spurs, new money incoming in and doubts increasing over Lloris.
No fucking way he goes to Spurs. He's as aware as anyone that he'd win naff all there!
Post by: Somniloquism on February 28, 2023, 09:40:26 AM
Bizarrely not in the world XI as best keeper. Went to Courtois.
That’s because they have their lips sewn to Real Madrid’s arse.
The world 11 is voted for by other players.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 28, 2023, 10:51:10 AM
The obvious destination is Spurs, new money incoming in and doubts increasing over Lloris.
No fucking way he goes to Spurs. He's as aware as anyone that he'd win naff all there!
They're not going to pay what we'd want even if he fancied it.
Post by: darren woolley on February 28, 2023, 11:35:56 AM
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 28, 2023, 11:42:06 AM
I'm so pleased he got this award he deserves it.
Me too. He’s a fantastic keeper and I’m chuffed he plays for the Villa.
Post by: dave shelley on February 28, 2023, 12:26:09 PM
Bizarrely not in the world XI as best keeper. Went to Courtois.
That’s because they have their lips sewn to Real Madrid’s arse.
The world 11 is voted for by other players.
He's probably shithoused most of 'em.
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 28, 2023, 01:04:24 PM
Maybe he makes it look so easy is the reason it does not get the credit he deserves so i am glad he won this award - totally justified
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 28, 2023, 04:29:38 PM
To be far - this is truly remarkable - to have the best goalkeeper in the world in our team is an amazing thing to have.That's what I was thinking.
Well done to him, the club and everyone involved in this. This can only be a really good thing for everyone involved!
It's brilliant for him , Villa and so very well deserved!
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 28, 2023, 05:07:05 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 28, 2023, 05:30:57 PM
To be far - this is truly remarkable - to have the best goalkeeper in the world in our team is an amazing thing to have.That's what I was thinking.
Well done to him, the club and everyone involved in this. This can only be a really good thing for everyone involved!
It's brilliant for him , Villa and so very well deserved!
Deserved? You were saying you thought he should be dropped in 2022.
Post by: Simon Page on February 28, 2023, 06:02:04 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 28, 2023, 06:10:20 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCLatam/status/1630598524847915009
Post by: Villafirst on February 28, 2023, 06:28:10 PM
Post by: Smirker on February 28, 2023, 06:51:12 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on February 28, 2023, 06:56:08 PM
Post by: Beard82 on February 28, 2023, 07:20:49 PM
The achievement is unheard of. In my lifetime, only a small handful of players have played for villa that were truly world-class - let alone the best in their position.
I can only really think of McGrath and Yorke and maybe Benteke (though only at villa) and maybe Rat Boy
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 28, 2023, 07:21:21 PM
To be far - this is truly remarkable - to have the best goalkeeper in the world in our team is an amazing thing to have.That's what I was thinking.
Well done to him, the club and everyone involved in this. This can only be a really good thing for everyone involved!
It's brilliant for him , Villa and so very well deserved!
Deserved? You were saying you thought he should be dropped in 2022.
It's a lot easier to drop down that it is to go up. Major acknowledgement to him for such a superb individual achievement. This part of his charcater is what I like about Emi Martinez and applaud him for it. He's a credit to his profession in that respect.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 28, 2023, 07:24:50 PM
Well, his dad wants him to leave, but he thinks that Emi is happy where he is. This will run and run.
https://twitter.com/AVFCLatam/status/1630598524847915009
I reckon it is best just ignored.
Obviously I'll forget saying this and go batshit on the Emi thread if this stuff comes to a head any time soon, but for now, I am at least pretending to be entirely zen about it.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 28, 2023, 07:25:22 PM
To be far - this is truly remarkable - to have the best goalkeeper in the world in our team is an amazing thing to have.That's what I was thinking.
Well done to him, the club and everyone involved in this. This can only be a really good thing for everyone involved!
It's brilliant for him , Villa and so very well deserved!
Deserved? You were saying you thought he should be dropped in 2022.
It's a lot easier to drop down that it is to go up. Major acknowledgement to him for such a superb individual achievement. This part of his charcater is what I like about Emi Martinez and applaud him for it. He's a credit to his profession in that respect.
You've entirely ignored what Drummond just pointed out.
Post by: Beard82 on February 28, 2023, 07:31:58 PM
Yeah, this is what I'm trying for - let's enjoy the rest of the season with a sense of optimism. Plenty of time to rewrite it all in the summerWell, his dad wants him to leave, but he thinks that Emi is happy where he is. This will run and run.
https://twitter.com/AVFCLatam/status/1630598524847915009
I reckon it is best just ignored.
Obviously I'll forget saying this and go batshit on the Emi thread if this stuff comes to a head any time soon, but for now, I am at least pretending to be entirely zen about it.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 28, 2023, 07:39:37 PM
Beautiful
Post by: Chris Smith on February 28, 2023, 07:52:13 PM
Earth’s, Earth’s number one,
Earth’s numberer one
Post by: LeeB on February 28, 2023, 07:54:22 PM
I’m trying to get this scan:
Earth’s, Earth’s number one,
Earth’s numberer one
Gaia's number one
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 28, 2023, 08:15:05 PM
I just watched Central TV and not a single mention of the World's best goalkeeper winning his award and playing for the biggest team in the Midlands! That's appalling.....
By the same token I was listening to the radio earlier and not one mention. They mentioned the managerial awards and Messi, albeit I think it was on national radio, seems as though Martinez plays for an English team I would have considered that reason enough for it to be newsworthy in the sports section.
Post by: mrfuse on February 28, 2023, 08:22:04 PM
Mbappe looking really pleased for Emi Martinez as he picks up the worlds best goal keeper award.
Post by: Clampy on February 28, 2023, 08:36:50 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/8luPcbq.jpeg)
Mbappe looking really pleased for Emi Martinez as he picks up the worlds best goal keeper award.
They could have at least got Mbappe to present him with the award.
Post by: Smirker on February 28, 2023, 08:57:05 PM
What do people think - I think they should give him a guard of honor or similar!
The achievement is unheard of. In my lifetime, only a small handful of players have played for villa that were truly world-class - let alone the best in their position.
I can only really think of McGrath and Yorke and maybe Benteke (though only at villa) and maybe Rat Boy
Yorke, Benteke and Grealish were not close to world class unfortunately.
Post by: Risso on February 28, 2023, 09:04:00 PM
Post by: brontebilly on February 28, 2023, 09:28:34 PM
What do people think - I think they should give him a guard of honor or similar!
The achievement is unheard of. In my lifetime, only a small handful of players have played for villa that were truly world-class - let alone the best in their position.
I can only really think of McGrath and Yorke and maybe Benteke (though only at villa) and maybe Rat Boy
Yorke, Benteke and Grealish were not close to world class unfortunately.
I know labels like world class can be impossible to define but those three at their peak were absolutely brilliant for us. Yorke at his best played in a very good Villa team and he was the best player by a mile. Benteke arguably kept us in the PL for a couple of seasons longer than we deserved to in a dreadful team. Grealish, to be honest I think his peak surpassed the best even Yorke produced in a Villa shirt. Another magical player at his best, still struggling to replace his impact.
Martinez I think is the best PL keeper currently. Been a great signing for us (I was very sceptical) but incredibly brave and top keeper. But I don't think he belongs in the group above as he never had to carry the team like they did.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 28, 2023, 09:32:47 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 28, 2023, 09:35:18 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/k4YzmWX/Screenshot-20230228-192814-Instagram.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k4YzmWX)
They definitely don't get on.
Post by: mrfuse on February 28, 2023, 09:36:35 PM
Yorke was miles better for us than Martinez has been, up to now. I love Martinez, and I'm really pleased for him, but winning the World Cup doesn't make him the best keeper in the world, any more than it would have made Harry Maguire the best central defender in Europe if we'd beaten Italy in the Euros.
Not sure I agree. Winning the world cup and the Copa America does make you the best keeper in the world if you are instrumental for winning those trophies. I'd argue that Argentina wouldn't have won those trophies if it wasn't for Martinez. A little fella called Messi might have played a part in it as well.
His form for us obviously has something to do with it, but its those performances in the major trophies that puts him above other Keepers currently.
Post by: Drummond on February 28, 2023, 09:37:28 PM
I’m trying to get this to scan:
Earth’s, Earth’s number one,
Earth’s numberer one
The World number one,
The World, the World number one...
Post by: KevinGage on February 28, 2023, 09:43:38 PM
The obvious destination is Spurs, new money incoming in and doubts increasing over Lloris.
No fucking way he goes to Spurs. He's as aware as anyone that he'd win naff all there!
They'd prob offer Fraser Forster, a youth player or two and £5 million.
Barrington Levy shitbidding again.
Post by: astonvilla82 on February 28, 2023, 10:07:33 PM
could imagine him saying to Messi,I am better than you, you little shitYorke was miles better for us than Martinez has been, up to now. I love Martinez, and I'm really pleased for him, but winning the World Cup doesn't make him the best keeper in the world, any more than it would have made Harry Maguire the best central defender in Europe if we'd beaten Italy in the Euros.
Not sure I agree. Winning the world cup and the Copa America does make you the best keeper in the world if you are instrumental for winning those trophies. I'd argue that Argentina wouldn't have won those trophies if it wasn't for Martinez. A little fella called Messi might have played a part in it as well.
His form for us obviously has something to do with it, but its those performances in the major trophies that puts him above other Keepers currently.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 28, 2023, 10:13:05 PM
Yep can see it's staged. The smiles and the eyes say it all.
(https://i.ibb.co/k4YzmWX/Screenshot-20230228-192814-Instagram.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k4YzmWX)
They definitely don't get on.
If can work together for good of team they don't have to totally get on just a healthy respect.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 28, 2023, 10:20:57 PM
Yep can see it's staged. The smiles and the eyes say it all.
(https://i.ibb.co/k4YzmWX/Screenshot-20230228-192814-Instagram.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k4YzmWX)
They definitely don't get on.
If can work together for good of team they don't have to totally get on just a healthy respect.
Fucking hell.
Where to even begin with this.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 28, 2023, 10:26:20 PM
Post by: Hillbilly on February 28, 2023, 10:31:52 PM
I am always highly suspicious where 1. FIFA and 2. Real Madrid are involved. Neither are organisations known for being ethically unimpeachable.Bizarrely not in the world XI as best keeper. Went to Courtois.
That’s because they have their lips sewn to Real Madrid’s arse.
The world 11 is voted for by other players.
Post by: Clampy on February 28, 2023, 10:34:28 PM
Yep can see it's staged. The smiles and the eyes say it all.
(https://i.ibb.co/k4YzmWX/Screenshot-20230228-192814-Instagram.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k4YzmWX)
They definitely don't get on.
If can work together for good of team they don't have to totally get on just a healthy respect.
Which one of you typed this nonsense?
Post by: Axl Rose on February 28, 2023, 10:38:50 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on February 28, 2023, 10:44:27 PM
He's right though. They nearly had a fight after that pic was taken, you can see it their eyes. The seething undercurrent of violence towards each other. The smiles of contempt.
Pretty sure that Unai is about to look at Emi askance. We are talking curled lip here, and Emi is on the verge of clenching his fists.
A picture's worth a thousand words.
Post by: Dave on February 28, 2023, 10:52:43 PM
The marketing people have asked them to stand in the same place to take a picture for the club.
Unai hasn't asked Emi for a picture for his Instagram.
Post by: KevinGage on February 28, 2023, 11:08:25 PM
And check that left eyebrow! It's all there.
Olsen to start on Saturday.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 28, 2023, 11:54:51 PM
Unai is standing directly under the star. This denotes leadership and rank, despite the height difference between the pair.
And check that left eyebrow! It's all there.
Olsen to start on Saturday.
Excellent work Holmes, but one flaw brings down your argument. He doesn’t speak Spanish.
Post by: astonvilla82 on March 01, 2023, 12:06:45 AM
Put them in the boxing ring, it's about time we got it sorted once and for all,Yep can see it's staged. The smiles and the eyes say it all.
(https://i.ibb.co/k4YzmWX/Screenshot-20230228-192814-Instagram.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k4YzmWX)
They definitely don't get on.
If can work together for good of team they don't have to totally get on just a healthy respect.
Which one of you typed this nonsense?
Post by: Drummond on March 01, 2023, 12:30:57 AM
Did Olsen take that photo?
He'd have dropped the camera.
Post by: Axl Rose on March 01, 2023, 01:09:07 AM
Did Olsen take that photo?
He'd have dropped the camera.
That's a good point!
Post by: Risso on March 01, 2023, 09:19:03 AM
He's right though. They nearly had a fight after that pic was taken, you can see it their eyes. The seething undercurrent of violence towards each other. The smiles of contempt.
"Get your fucking hands off my trophy, you sent me on loan to Reading, you bastard. Reading, have you ever been to Reading, bloody arse end of nowhere."
"Just smile for the photo dickhead, we'll use this when we punt you round Europe in June, then use the cash to bring Tom Heaton back from Man U."
Post by: LeeB on March 01, 2023, 09:32:10 AM
He's right though. They nearly had a fight after that pic was taken, you can see it their eyes. The seething undercurrent of violence towards each other. The smiles of contempt.
"Get your fucking hands off my trophy, you sent me on loan to Reading, you bastard. Reading, have you ever been to Reading, bloody arse end of nowhere."
"Just smile for the photo dickhead, we'll use this when we punt you round Europe in June, then use the cash to bring Tom Heaton back from Man U."
"Robin has had his laser eye surgery and hand transplant so we don't need you anyway"
Post by: Neil Hawkes on March 01, 2023, 11:06:19 AM
APPLAUSEHe's right though. They nearly had a fight after that pic was taken, you can see it their eyes. The seething undercurrent of violence towards each other. The smiles of contempt.
"Get your fucking hands off my trophy, you sent me on loan to Reading, you bastard. Reading, have you ever been to Reading, bloody arse end of nowhere."
"Just smile for the photo dickhead, we'll use this when we punt you round Europe in June, then use the cash to bring Tom Heaton back from Man U."
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 01, 2023, 04:28:35 PM
Because maybe I don’t know the data, what it is, but maybe it’s one photo out of 100 thats not staged?Put them in the boxing ring, it's about time we got it sorted once and for all,Yep can see it's staged. The smiles and the eyes say it all.
(https://i.ibb.co/k4YzmWX/Screenshot-20230228-192814-Instagram.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k4YzmWX)
They definitely don't get on.
If can work together for good of team they don't have to totally get on just a healthy respect.
Which one of you typed this nonsense?
And maybe 20 times they are doing the smiling and 10 times they will be real.
Post by: Risso on March 01, 2023, 04:36:46 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 01, 2023, 04:39:07 PM
Post by: paul_e on March 01, 2023, 04:44:14 PM
I have it on good authority that Unai was caught nibbling on Emi's ear and telling him he loves him. However the photographer told them to find a room, but give him a quick staged photo for the OS.
The 2 photos of that are being saved in case Unai demands the club only employs photographers that speak fluent Spanish.
Post by: LeonW on March 01, 2023, 04:45:48 PM
Because maybe I don’t know the data, what it is, but maybe it’s one photo out of 100 thats not staged?Put them in the boxing ring, it's about time we got it sorted once and for all,Yep can see it's staged. The smiles and the eyes say it all.
(https://i.ibb.co/k4YzmWX/Screenshot-20230228-192814-Instagram.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k4YzmWX)
They definitely don't get on.
If can work together for good of team they don't have to totally get on just a healthy respect.
Which one of you typed this nonsense?
And maybe 20 times they are doing the smiling and 10 times they will be real.
The truth is out there…
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 01, 2023, 04:49:02 PM
Unai is standing directly under the star. This denotes leadership and rank, despite the height difference between the pair.
That's not a star, it's a shuriken from Emi's Ninja days.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 01, 2023, 04:52:26 PM
Yep can see it's staged. The smiles and the eyes say it all.
(https://i.ibb.co/k4YzmWX/Screenshot-20230228-192814-Instagram.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k4YzmWX)
They definitely don't get on.
It's not staged. It's what happens when Neil Cutler's not available.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 01, 2023, 05:10:04 PM
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Emi Martinez is at the front and centre of #avfc moving forward, says the goalkeeper's agent, who adds how "the relationship with Emery couldn't be better"
https://twitter.com/preeceobserver/status/1630974543085830151?s=46&t=4fcoDkFx5uun5j98YIpg9Q
Post by: eamonn on March 01, 2023, 05:38:59 PM
Well, his dad wants him to leave, but he thinks that Emi is happy where he is. This will run and run.
https://twitter.com/AVFCLatam/status/1630598524847915009
Well Kevin Grealish wanted his boy to move on so if a father who loves the Villa does it, any dickhead-dad can.
Post by: Drummond on March 01, 2023, 05:43:35 PM
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@tvdellosport
#avfc
Goñi: “He would like to play and win the Champions League, let’s hope he can do it with Aston Villa..” #avfc
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 01, 2023, 05:44:01 PM
LIES!!!!!!!! ALL OF IT IS STAGED AND MADE UP!!!!!! EMI HATES UNAI. UNAI HATES EMIQuoteEmi Martinez is at the front and centre of #avfc moving forward, says the goalkeeper's agent, who adds how "the relationship with Emery couldn't be better"
https://twitter.com/preeceobserver/status/1630974543085830151?s=46&t=4fcoDkFx5uun5j98YIpg9Q
Agenda.
Yes, neither Martinez nor Emery said that. When it comes to relationships, we all know that it is the people involved feelings that matter not the agent
If it were the case we would hear a declaration of love from one of them.
There's a healthy respect between them, so there's no need for the agent to start coming out and overcompensating with grandiose ideas of a perfect marriage between them. There's also an interpretation of 'centre' and 'forward' hints. Indicating the Martinez corner incident.
Isn't that right?
Post by: Drummond on March 01, 2023, 05:46:10 PM
Seriously give it a break. In fact, may I suggest you go and get a job at Football Insider? Then again, I don't think even they would go as far as you do sometimes.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 01, 2023, 05:46:56 PM
Gustavo Goñi (Martínez agent): “The relationship with Emery couldn’t be better. He has expressed his desire to keep him in the team. Emiliano is at the centre of the project for a team that aims to participate in the next cups. He’s a leader of the group..”Now seeing this makes more sense.
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@tvdellosport
#avfc
Goñi: “He would like to play and win the Champions League, let’s hope he can do it with Aston Villa..” #avfc
Captain Emi. Sounds like Clear the air talks and they are now understanding each other.
Emery wants to keep him in the team so he's not looking to replace him that's great as Emery will fine tune Martinez.
Post by: Smirker on March 01, 2023, 05:52:46 PM
Gustavo Goñi (Martínez agent): “The relationship with Emery couldn’t be better. He has expressed his desire to keep him in the team. Emiliano is at the centre of the project for a team that aims to participate in the next cups. He’s a leader of the group..”
—
@tvdellosport
#avfc
Goñi: “He would like to play and win the Champions League, let’s hope he can do it with Aston Villa..” #avfc
That last bit makes me feel a bit better.
Post by: eamonn on March 01, 2023, 05:55:58 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 01, 2023, 06:15:56 PM
"I just think when you’ve won a World Cup and you’re playing with all these unbelievable players, and they’re all playing in European competitions, I think at the very least you would be wanting to play in Europe.
After being voted the best goalkeeper at a World Cup, I think it is only natural that Martinez will want to play in the Champions League. He’s 30 years old, so realistically during his best years Villa aren’t going to be filling his ambitions.
If the right team came in with the right money, I think Villa would sell him and I think it would be an amicable split."
Post by: olaftab on March 01, 2023, 06:58:27 PM
I have an opinion that Pep Guardiola will leave city at of this season if he doesn’t win the champions league.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 01, 2023, 07:37:37 PM
Journo and Villa man Dan Bardell is realistic and being a bit of ITKer seems to suggest he's going if you read bewteen the lines.
"I just think when you’ve won a World Cup and you’re playing with all these unbelievable players, and they’re all playing in European competitions, I think at the very least you would be wanting to play in Europe.
After being voted the best goalkeeper at a World Cup, I think it is only natural that Martinez will want to play in the Champions League. He’s 30 years old, so realistically during his best years Villa aren’t going to be filling his ambitions.
If the right team came in with the right money, I think Villa would sell him and I think it would be an amicable split."
To be fair to Dan Bardell, Footy, he explicitly claims to not be 'ITK'. He literally said, before uttering the words you quoted, "I'm not ITK, this is just a hunch." He later went on to describe the one time he thought he was (re Jack Butland, I think), and has been taking stick for it ever since.
Post by: Beard82 on March 01, 2023, 07:41:59 PM
What’s there to read between the lines?I have a hunch he'll be off rather than playing MK Dons in league 1
I have an opinion that Pep Guardiola will leave city at of this season if he doesn’t win the champions league.
Post by: Risso on March 01, 2023, 08:12:30 PM
Journo and Villa man Dan Bardell is realistic and being a bit of ITKer seems to suggest he's going if you read bewteen the lines.
"I just think when you’ve won a World Cup and you’re playing with all these unbelievable players, and they’re all playing in European competitions, I think at the very least you would be wanting to play in Europe.
After being voted the best goalkeeper at a World Cup, I think it is only natural that Martinez will want to play in the Champions League. He’s 30 years old, so realistically during his best years Villa aren’t going to be filling his ambitions.
If the right team came in with the right money, I think Villa would sell him and I think it would be an amicable split."
To be fair to Dan Bardell, Footy, he explicitly claims to not be 'ITK'. He literally said, before uttering the words you quoted, "I'm not ITK, this is just a hunch." He later went on to describe the one time he thought he was (re Jack Butland, I think), and has been taking stick for it ever since.
And all he's doing really, is parroting what Martinez himself said in that interview.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 01, 2023, 08:24:57 PM
But thats why I said a bit of in regards to ITKJourno and Villa man Dan Bardell is realistic and being a bit of ITKer seems to suggest he's going if you read bewteen the lines.
"I just think when you’ve won a World Cup and you’re playing with all these unbelievable players, and they’re all playing in European competitions, I think at the very least you would be wanting to play in Europe.
After being voted the best goalkeeper at a World Cup, I think it is only natural that Martinez will want to play in the Champions League. He’s 30 years old, so realistically during his best years Villa aren’t going to be filling his ambitions.
If the right team came in with the right money, I think Villa would sell him and I think it would be an amicable split."
To be fair to Dan Bardell, Footy, he explicitly claims to not be 'ITK'. He literally said, before uttering the words you quoted, "I'm not ITK, this is just a hunch." He later went on to describe the one time he thought he was (re Jack Butland, I think), and has been taking stick for it ever since.
And all he's doing really, is parroting what Martinez himself said in that interview.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 01, 2023, 08:27:58 PM
But thats why I said a bit of in regards to ITKJourno and Villa man Dan Bardell is realistic and being a bit of ITKer seems to suggest he's going if you read bewteen the lines.
"I just think when you’ve won a World Cup and you’re playing with all these unbelievable players, and they’re all playing in European competitions, I think at the very least you would be wanting to play in Europe.
After being voted the best goalkeeper at a World Cup, I think it is only natural that Martinez will want to play in the Champions League. He’s 30 years old, so realistically during his best years Villa aren’t going to be filling his ambitions.
If the right team came in with the right money, I think Villa would sell him and I think it would be an amicable split."
To be fair to Dan Bardell, Footy, he explicitly claims to not be 'ITK'. He literally said, before uttering the words you quoted, "I'm not ITK, this is just a hunch." He later went on to describe the one time he thought he was (re Jack Butland, I think), and has been taking stick for it ever since.
And all he's doing really, is parroting what Martinez himself said in that interview.
Honest to god, I know you speak some nonsense but your last few posts on this thread have been absolute top level rubbish.
Why are you so obsessed with this subject?
That rubbish before the weekend about maybe Olsen will play as, amongst other things, he "knows the ground"?
Post by: Bad English on March 01, 2023, 08:41:42 PM
Post by: Risso on March 01, 2023, 08:42:32 PM
But thats why I said a bit of in regards to ITK
He isn't ITK, he just reads the same news outlets as everybody else.
Post by: Bad English on March 01, 2023, 08:49:30 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 01, 2023, 09:06:51 PM
Personally, I don't believe there isn't more to it, but I'm really content to have Martinez in goal for Villa and we will have to see what happens at the end of the season. And that I think there's a healthy respect and working professional relationship.
He's by far the best keeper around, so I'll have to put up with his antics while focusing on all of his positive qualities, which are unquestionably high and generally enhance Villa chances of getting points.
And he deserves all the plaudits on Saturday and to be serenaded for his achievements.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 01, 2023, 09:07:47 PM
Who's Dan Bardell?
I heard him via news outlets he's a pundit in sky sports and the athletics
Hes a Villa man and is at matches. Also makes online content. Trusted source in my book.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 01, 2023, 09:37:53 PM
So you expect us to ignore what the manager, the player, the player's dad and the agent say, and believe your made-up theories?https://www.footballinsider247.com/the-football-insider-team/
Seriously give it a break. In fact, may I suggest you go and get a job at Football Insider? Then again, I don't think even they would go as far as you do sometimes.
Gabby and Hutts are part of the team!
Post by: Pat McMahon on March 01, 2023, 09:44:17 PM
Radio5Live seem more excited by Mary Earps winning the female goalkeeper of the year award more than Emi. Can’t think why.
Post by: Clampy on March 01, 2023, 10:06:04 PM
Post by: KevinGage on March 01, 2023, 10:08:52 PM
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Radio5Live seem more excited by Mary Earps...
Cockerney rhyming slang?
Post by: astonvilla82 on March 01, 2023, 10:15:30 PM
My theory is simple the photo with Emery and Martinez aswell as the agent speaking was to quell the rumours, as well as the quelling of speculation about any rift.A few Villa players had issues with Ron Saunders, but they got on with it
Personally, I don't believe there isn't more to it, but I'm really content to have Martinez in goal for Villa and we will have to see what happens at the end of the season. And that I think there's a healthy respect and working professional relationship.
He's by far the best keeper around, so I'll have to put up with his antics while focusing on all of his positive qualities, which are unquestionably high and generally enhance Villa chances of getting points.
And he deserves all the plaudits on Saturday and to be serenaded for his achievements.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 01, 2023, 10:45:39 PM
My theory is simple the photo with Emery and Martinez aswell as the agent speaking was to quell the rumours, as well as the quelling of speculation about any rift.
Personally, I don't believe there isn't more to it, but I'm really content to have Martinez in goal for Villa and we will have to see what happens at the end of the season. And that I think there's a healthy respect and working professional relationship.
He's by far the best keeper around, so I'll have to put up with his antics while focusing on all of his positive qualities, which are unquestionably high and generally enhance Villa chances of getting points.
And he deserves all the plaudits on Saturday and to be serenaded for his achievements.
Your theory is rubbish and like most of us you have no idea of the truth. You just make shit up like on this topic which you are obsessed by or John McGinn’s Dublin bender bollocks you came out with.
Post by: adrenachrome on March 01, 2023, 11:14:41 PM
As for FV, I think he should stop digging the hole any deeper.
The writer Hubert Selby Jr prefaces his masterpiece "The Demon" with the words:
A man obsessed is a man possessed
By a Demon
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 01, 2023, 11:20:03 PM
No really its not as its known as agents and media used to communicate the message they want to put out. In this instance it is to use it for positive PR and not damage any profile.My theory is simple the photo with Emery and Martinez aswell as the agent speaking was to quell the rumours, as well as the quelling of speculation about any rift.
Personally, I don't believe there isn't more to it, but I'm really content to have Martinez in goal for Villa and we will have to see what happens at the end of the season. And that I think there's a healthy respect and working professional relationship.
He's by far the best keeper around, so I'll have to put up with his antics while focusing on all of his positive qualities, which are unquestionably high and generally enhance Villa chances of getting points.
And he deserves all the plaudits on Saturday and to be serenaded for his achievements.
Your theory is rubbish and like most of us you have no idea of the truth. You just make shit up like on this topic which you are obsessed by or John McGinn’s Dublin bender bollocks you came out with.
As for McGinn already stated and actually moved on as it came to light he was with his fiancée. It was more the principle at the time.
Post by: astonvilla82 on March 02, 2023, 12:01:05 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2023, 10:44:50 AM
I found it a great listen to Emi insight on football
https://www.bt.com/sport/podcasts
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on March 02, 2023, 10:45:19 AM
I really hope Super John does not have a case of "bender bollocks". Testicular torsion is no laughing matter.For me, he can keep on digging till he gets to Australia!!
As for FV, I think he should stop digging the hole any deeper.
The writer Hubert Selby Jr prefaces his masterpiece "The Demon" with the words:
A man obsessed is a man possessed
By a Demon
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2023, 10:46:42 AM
Move on! Go listen to Martinez interview on the BT Mike Calvin podcast.I really hope Super John does not have a case of "bender bollocks". Testicular torsion is no laughing matter.For me, he can keep on digging till he gets to Australia!!
As for FV, I think he should stop digging the hole any deeper.
The writer Hubert Selby Jr prefaces his masterpiece "The Demon" with the words:
A man obsessed is a man possessed
By a Demon
Touching the Sky.
That's where the discussion is now.
The man is absolutely brilliant. That is no doubt. Best hearing ever.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on March 02, 2023, 01:10:37 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2023/03/02/aston-villas-emi-martinez-says-leaving-for-champions-league-club-would-be-too-easy/
Post by: Risso on March 02, 2023, 01:21:02 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 02, 2023, 01:21:42 PM
Post by: LeonW on March 02, 2023, 01:32:15 PM
Post by: Clampy on March 02, 2023, 01:39:39 PM
Post by: Risso on March 02, 2023, 01:41:42 PM
Post by: LeonW on March 02, 2023, 01:41:43 PM
A staged interview obviously.
😂
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2023, 01:48:59 PM
Great to hear. That’s how true champions think. I hope he stays and finishes his career with us.
I've considered all things and now firmly hope that too. I'm concerned about any rift with the coaches and transfer of him too good to turn down to move on in summer however he can do things here given the direction Villa, are moving under Emery.
Next year, make him the captain permanently. And improve the options in the team for him.
He has a great character, which is a great asset, and his talent and advancement have been astounding. On the pitch and in football he's passionate. Off the field, he is obviously a guy of integrity. This aligns with my ideals.
I overheard Matty Cash claim that Martínez was exactly the same during practise games and penalty shootouts. Emi will stop at nothing to achieve victory.
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 02, 2023, 01:51:20 PM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on March 02, 2023, 02:01:12 PM
Post by: Drummond on March 02, 2023, 02:04:36 PM
I love him and what he stands for.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 02, 2023, 02:10:05 PM
'The World's Number one, the World's Number one, Emi Martinez the World's Number one'.
Catchy, huh?
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2023, 02:11:58 PM
He's won the Wrold Cup, not many get to say that. Now he has a bigger challenge, winning with us. He can be a legend, he can be our best ever keeper, he can win trophies.He's had all the attributes to lead. I fully expected him to be captain in the summer.
I love him and what he stands for.
I don’t know why Gerrrad never choose Martínez as captain.
I suspect the disruption of the world cup was a part factor.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2023, 02:14:44 PM
I don't think Emery would want the distraction which is fair enough. A song may do the trick..Render him with the uplifting song by Tina Turner 'Simply the Best'
'The World's Number one, the World's Number one, Emi Martinez the World's Number one'.
Catchy, huh?
Post by: Bully2345 on March 02, 2023, 02:27:02 PM
I don't think Emery would want the distraction which is fair enough. A song may do the trick..Render him with the uplifting song by Tina Turner 'Simply the Best'
'The World's Number one, the World's Number one, Emi Martinez the World's Number one'.
Catchy, huh?
That song is banned from the club by the captain due to its links with the blue half of Glasgow. Nothing would send him to Dublin quicker than playing that song
Post by: nigel on March 02, 2023, 03:00:07 PM
I don't think Emery would want the distraction which is fair enough. A song may do the trick..
'The World's Number one, the World's Number one, Emi Martinez the World's Number one'.
Catchy, huh?
The only song to sing
Post by: Mister E on March 02, 2023, 04:35:21 PM
Journo and Villa man Dan Bardell is realistic and being a bit of ITKer seems to suggest he's going if you read bewteen the lines.Well, yes! Statement of the bleedin' obvious. And we should know - look what happened to JG.
"I just think ... If the right team came in with the right money, I think Villa would sell him and I think it would be an amicable split."
Post by: Bully2345 on March 02, 2023, 04:37:46 PM
Post by: OCD on March 02, 2023, 07:13:23 PM
Post by: usav on March 08, 2023, 10:21:17 AM
Post by: Vegas on March 08, 2023, 10:48:51 PM
"Right team offering the right money" can be applied to any player
Spot on, this quote says and means nothing. It’s totally vacuous.
It says if there’s a club he wants to go to, that’s offers him washes that he likes, and that offers a sum of money that Villa find acceptable, he might go. No shit.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 09, 2023, 10:13:34 AM
It's quite specific without details actually."Right team offering the right money" can be applied to any player
Spot on, this quote says and means nothing. It’s totally vacuous.
It says if there’s a club he wants to go to, that’s offers him washes that he likes, and that offers a sum of money that Villa find acceptable, he might go. No shit.
As can be interpretation like selling of JG so it could mean there's a buyout clause of say 88million euros (£100m) from a champions league qualified club something along those lines.
I imagine Douglas Luiz has a clause too when he signed a new contract regarded exit fees and money for more Brazil caps
He was close to joining Arsenal not so long ago.
Tyrone Mings perhaps would be incentives regarding England Internationals
Did you know in France football league it's illegal to have release clauses in a players contract.
Post by: Lsvilla on March 09, 2023, 10:27:24 AM
I've got 88 euros would you give me £100 for them ?It's quite specific without details actually."Right team offering the right money" can be applied to any player
Spot on, this quote says and means nothing. It’s totally vacuous.
It says if there’s a club he wants to go to, that’s offers him washes that he likes, and that offers a sum of money that Villa find acceptable, he might go. No shit.
As can be interpretation like selling of JG so it could mean there's a buyout clause of say 88million euros (£100m) from a champions league qualified club something along those lines.
I imagine Douglas Luiz has a clause too when he signed a new contract regarded exit fees and money for more Brazil caps
He was close to joining Arsenal not so long ago.
Tyrone Mings perhaps would be incentives regarding England Internationals
Did you know in France football league it's illegal to have release clauses in a players contract.
Post by: paul_e on March 09, 2023, 10:51:41 AM
It's quite specific without details actually."Right team offering the right money" can be applied to any player
Spot on, this quote says and means nothing. It’s totally vacuous.
It says if there’s a club he wants to go to, that’s offers him washes that he likes, and that offers a sum of money that Villa find acceptable, he might go. No shit.
As can be interpretation like selling of JG so it could mean there's a buyout clause of say 88million euros (£100m) from a champions league qualified club something along those lines.
I imagine Douglas Luiz has a clause too when he signed a new contract regarded exit fees and money for more Brazil caps
He was close to joining Arsenal not so long ago.
Tyrone Mings perhaps would be incentives regarding England Internationals
Did you know in France football league it's illegal to have release clauses in a players contract.
and in Spain it's illegal not to, but what does that have to do with Martinez?
I'm not sure how something can be specific without details or how you then think that can be explained with "but maybe he has a release clause".
Even if he does have a clause it's clearly going to be one that reflects his status which, when he signed his current deal, was that of a Copa America winner who had just had 18months of being one of the best keepers in the league. So, as has been the case all along, how many clubs need a goalkeeper and have the finances to pay £75m+ for one?
That's why 'right team, right money' isn't particularly insightful. It's true, and will be for almost every player in the world, but unless the person making that claim has specific knowledge of a team that are interested, have the money and are able to offer him everything he'd need to move then it is, as said, a vacuous statement. One that is made so they can come back to later and claim they were right with, whatever happens and have people like you laud them as ITK and hanging on their every word.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 09, 2023, 11:05:00 AM
Err, no he wasn’t.
Post by: LeeB on March 09, 2023, 11:29:24 AM
Luiz “was close to joining Arsenal”?
Err, no he wasn’t.
Let it go mate, there's no point arguing, may as well juggle blancmange
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 09, 2023, 11:39:48 AM
No its ok one can disagree but I'll give evidence to just help the doubting.Luiz “was close to joining Arsenal”?
Err, no he wasn’t.
Let it go mate, there's no point arguing, may as well juggle blancmange
The Guardian Nick Ames:
"There was the sense at Arsenal that a deal could be possible when, after a 2-1 win over Villa on Wednesday night in which Douglas Luiz scored direct from a corner, Edu and Douglas Luiz held an upbeat conversation. The player made it clear to Villa that he wished to leave, ostensibly with an eye on regaining his Brazil place for the World Cup. Villa’s subsequent signing of Leander Dendoncker also raised hopes at the Emirates"
Gabby Agbonlahor Football Insider:
"Let’s be honest, Douglas Luiz wanted to leave Aston Villa because Arsenal bid and the club didn’t accept it, “Douglas Luiz was in a great position as his contract was up in the summer.
Sometimes, as a club, you have no choice. Even if you didn’t want to give the player a new contract you are in the position where you have to give him a new contract or he leaves on a free. Douglas Luiz would have been paid very, very good wages to commit to sign it.
Sometimes contracts can hide what is really going on. In the summer, Luiz might go but instead of £20million it might be £50m or £60m. The position he’s in, he’s laughing because he’s got his wages up high. I think it suits both the club and the player, to be honest.”
So there you have it.
I think we can see a similar scenario with Martinez getting a new improved contract.
Post by: olaftab on March 09, 2023, 11:40:03 AM
"Right team offering the right money" can be applied to any playerI would even accept wrong team with right money.
Post by: LeeB on March 09, 2023, 11:46:08 AM
Gabby has all the credibility of a Liz Truss budget.
Post by: LukeJames on March 09, 2023, 11:52:34 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 09, 2023, 11:53:45 AM
He wasn't close to joining Arsenal, they bid, we rejected it and he signed a new contract.Well I could take it as circumstancal but the context of 3 bids is relative.
Gabby has all the credibility of a Liz Truss budget.
Strong interest and numerous bids indicated that the situation was tight. Then, if approved, Doug would have signed to Arsenal. How near a player can get? Not much closer than that? We can agree to differ, but at the time, on deadline day, reports indicated that Luiz was actually on the verge of leaving, and with a new contract signed with a likely relase clause then it more less confirmed this from my interpretation.
Anyhow, let's return to Martinez.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 09, 2023, 11:55:23 AM
Using Gabbys opinion to try and prove a point. You have officially peaked.Gabby played the game knows the players , and he nows about premier league player contracts because he been in dressing room his hypothesis on the scenario is strong in this instance as he comes from experience based position.
Post by: Risso on March 09, 2023, 11:55:58 AM
He wasn't close to joining Arsenal, they bid, we rejected it and he signed a new contract.Well I could take it as circumstancal but the context of 3 bids is relative.
Gabby has all the credibility of a Liz Truss budget.
Strong interest and numerous bids indicated that the situation was tight. Then, if approved, Doug would have signed to Arsenal. How near a player can get? Not much closer than that? We can agree to differ, but at the time, on deadline day, reports indicated that Luiz was actually on the verge of leaving, and with a new contract signed with a likely relase clause then it more less confirmed this from my interpretation.
Anyhow, let's return to Martinez.
The club didn't accept the offer. Therefore, he was as close to leaving as you are to ever saying something vaguely sensible, ie, nowhere near.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 09, 2023, 11:57:44 AM
Guess have to accept that but it's annoying.
Post by: Simon Page on March 09, 2023, 12:05:32 PM
Post by: Risso on March 09, 2023, 12:10:46 PM
I really dislike how people equate disagreeing with someone elses view as that view being folly.
Guess have to accept that but it's annoying.
Just try for one day NOT inventing madcap theories that have no grounding in reality. We can, and do, all disagree about everything to do with Villa, but nobody else invents things to the level you do.
Post by: eamonn on March 09, 2023, 12:50:07 PM
There's always a mate in the pub who's a bit of a character but you don't jump down his throat for everything outlandish he says. You just ask him to get the next round in, soft lad.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 09, 2023, 01:04:13 PM
There is no authority outside of the mods and the rules, and your assertions are actually just founded on more interpretation.I really dislike how people equate disagreeing with someone elses view as that view being folly.
Guess have to accept that but it's annoying.
Just try for one day NOT inventing madcap theories that have no grounding in reality. We can, and do, all disagree about everything to do with Villa, but nobody else invents things to the level you do.
You or other dissenters will only find me sensible if what I say makes sense in the context of your own stories.
Otherwise, it's branded as crazy, which is unfair because it casts scorn on attempts to discuss and debate subjects that ok maybe not everyone but some may want to consider.
As we have veered off topic, I believe Martinez should be the main emphasis of this discussion and let us go back to this
Post by: Baldy on March 09, 2023, 01:04:49 PM
I thought the love for Footy-Vill was growing but people are punching-down again. The site would be far less entertaining without him, so come on, smile wryly at his observations and move on.
There's always a mate in the pub who's a bit of a character but you don't jump down his throat for everything outlandish he says. You just ask him to get the next round in, soft lad.
Well said Eamonn, this site is a lot more interesting to read when Footy-Vill expresses his opinion. I agree with many of his views and some of his other views give me food for thought.
His insight into forthcoming opponents, referees, player demands etc are very welcome.
Thinking outside the box. I like it and live my life by it.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 09, 2023, 01:12:44 PM
Furthermore its interesting when everyone is giving varied opinions and want to discuss whatever they want without feeling pushed around or given a sense to be ridiculed. Ok I'm an idealist.I thought the love for Footy-Vill was growing but people are punching-down again. The site would be far less entertaining without him, so come on, smile wryly at his observations and move on.
There's always a mate in the pub who's a bit of a character but you don't jump down his throat for everything outlandish he says. You just ask him to get the next round in, soft lad.
Well said Eamonn, this site is a lot more interesting to read when Footy-Vill expresses his opinion. I agree with many of his views and some of his other views give me food for thought.
His insight into forthcoming opponents, referees, player demands etc are very welcome.
Thinking outside the box. I like it and live my life by it.
We all have our theories.
Up The Villa
Post by: Baldy on March 09, 2023, 01:20:56 PM
Back to Martinez. I think Unai does not have full confidence in him and that's why he often has 2 goalies on the bench!! Martinez is a maverick, likely to be booked or sent off at any time and Unai wants more back up in this specialist position.
Martinez is a great shot stopper, has presence but if his style of play doesn't improve and meet Unai's preferred style, I think we should cash in asap.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on March 09, 2023, 01:21:58 PM
I thought the love for Footy-Vill was growing but people are punching-down again. The site would be far less entertaining without him, so come on, smile wryly at his observations and move on.Well said Eamonn. And Footy, a pint for me to, soft lad. ;)
There's always a mate in the pub who's a bit of a character but you don't jump down his throat for everything outlandish he says. You just ask him to get the next round in, soft lad.
Post by: algy on March 09, 2023, 03:01:39 PM
I thought the love for Footy-Vill was growing but people are punching-down again. The site would be far less entertaining without him, so come on, smile wryly at his observations and move on.I'm with eamonn. Every so often there seems to be some kind of pile-on with our Footy, I'm not sure it's useful or necessary. I know some of his opinions/theories are a bit out there - but if you're not allowed a blatantly flawed view of the football club you support, then ...
There's always a mate in the pub who's a bit of a character but you don't jump down his throat for everything outlandish he says. You just ask him to get the next round in, soft lad.
Post by: Risso on March 09, 2023, 03:07:45 PM
True Footy- Ville.
Back to Martinez. I think Unai does not have full confidence in him and that's why he often has 2 goalies on the bench!! Martinez is a maverick, likely to be booked or sent off at any time and Unai wants more back up in this specialist position.
Martinez is a great shot stopper, has presence but if his style of play doesn't improve and meet Unai's preferred style, I think we should cash in asap.
Martinez has got 6 yellows this season, 4 last season and 1 the year before that. He's never been sent off to my knowledge, so that reasoning holds about as much water as the "extra keeper needed for pre-match drills" excuse. And again, Emery has only started doing it since we had a squad clear out in January.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 09, 2023, 03:16:14 PM
6 yellows all could be prevented self inflictedTrue Footy- Ville.
Back to Martinez. I think Unai does not have full confidence in him and that's why he often has 2 goalies on the bench!! Martinez is a maverick, likely to be booked or sent off at any time and Unai wants more back up in this specialist position.
Martinez is a great shot stopper, has presence but if his style of play doesn't improve and meet Unai's preferred style, I think we should cash in asap.
Martinez has got 6 yellows this season, 4 last season and 1 the year before that. He's never been sent off to my knowledge, so that reasoning holds about as much water as the "extra keeper needed for pre-match drills" excuse. And again, Emery has only started doing it since we had a squad clear out in January.
Post by: Risso on March 09, 2023, 03:28:15 PM
6 yellows all could be prevented self inflictedTrue Footy- Ville.
Back to Martinez. I think Unai does not have full confidence in him and that's why he often has 2 goalies on the bench!! Martinez is a maverick, likely to be booked or sent off at any time and Unai wants more back up in this specialist position.
Martinez is a great shot stopper, has presence but if his style of play doesn't improve and meet Unai's preferred style, I think we should cash in asap.
Martinez has got 6 yellows this season, 4 last season and 1 the year before that. He's never been sent off to my knowledge, so that reasoning holds about as much water as the "extra keeper needed for pre-match drills" excuse. And again, Emery has only started doing it since we had a squad clear out in January.
Sorry, it's 5. One was for Argentina, you know that time he won the World Cup?
Even so, it's not a reason to have a youth keeper on the bench in addition to your normal back up. And aside from that, it's hurt us how exactly? In the 5 games he's been booked for us, we've won 4 of them.
Post by: Steve67 on March 09, 2023, 03:28:55 PM
6 yellows all could be prevented self inflictedTrue Footy- Ville.
Back to Martinez. I think Unai does not have full confidence in him and that's why he often has 2 goalies on the bench!! Martinez is a maverick, likely to be booked or sent off at any time and Unai wants more back up in this specialist position.
Martinez is a great shot stopper, has presence but if his style of play doesn't improve and meet Unai's preferred style, I think we should cash in asap.
Martinez has got 6 yellows this season, 4 last season and 1 the year before that. He's never been sent off to my knowledge, so that reasoning holds about as much water as the "extra keeper needed for pre-match drills" excuse. And again, Emery has only started doing it since we had a squad clear out in January.
All yellow cards are self-inflicted. Unless mistaken identity by the gormless bloke with the whistle.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 09, 2023, 03:38:26 PM
Ten yellows by then mean a ban.
Post by: Risso on March 09, 2023, 03:49:03 PM
Yes, well, no one will be happy if he manages to accumulate 10 yellow cards in Premier League matches before 33 matches played as Martínez will be suspended.
Ten yellows by then mean a ban.
He'd have to get 5 yellow cards in the next 7 games. It isn't going to happen.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 09, 2023, 03:49:50 PM
Using Gabbys opinion to try and prove a point. You have officially peaked.Gabby played the game knows the players , and he nows about premier league player contracts because he been in dressing room his hypothesis on the scenario is strong in this instance as he comes from experience based position.
Yeah, thank God for Gabby or else how would we possibly know that Dougie is on good wages?
Post by: Baldy on March 09, 2023, 04:35:43 PM
True Footy- Ville.
Back to Martinez. I think Unai does not have full confidence in him and that's why he often has 2 goalies on the bench!! Martinez is a maverick, likely to be booked or sent off at any time and Unai wants more back up in this specialist position.
Martinez is a great shot stopper, has presence but if his style of play doesn't improve and meet Unai's preferred style, I think we should cash in asap.
Martinez has got 6 yellows this season, 4 last season and 1 the year before that. He's never been sent off to my knowledge, so that reasoning holds about as much water as the "extra keeper needed for pre-match drills" excuse. And again, Emery has only started doing it since we had a squad clear out in January.
Thanks Risso, makes my point exactly.
Since, I say, since the world cup his booking record has gone up massively. Literally, a booking 'waiting' to happen!!
Has he got to big for his boots? Unai might think so, hence, two subs for this one specialist position.
Post by: TaxDodger on March 09, 2023, 04:41:51 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 09, 2023, 05:08:59 PM
I thought the love for Footy-Vill was growing but people are punching-down again. The site would be far less entertaining without him, so come on, smile wryly at his observations and move on.I'm with eamonn. Every so often there seems to be some kind of pile-on with our Footy, I'm not sure it's useful or necessary. I know some of his opinions/theories are a bit out there - but if you're not allowed a blatantly flawed view of the football club you support, then ...
There's always a mate in the pub who's a bit of a character but you don't jump down his throat for everything outlandish he says. You just ask him to get the next round in, soft lad.
Agreed.
Post by: Risso on March 09, 2023, 05:32:15 PM
True Footy- Ville.
Back to Martinez. I think Unai does not have full confidence in him and that's why he often has 2 goalies on the bench!! Martinez is a maverick, likely to be booked or sent off at any time and Unai wants more back up in this specialist position.
Martinez is a great shot stopper, has presence but if his style of play doesn't improve and meet Unai's preferred style, I think we should cash in asap.
Martinez has got 6 yellows this season, 4 last season and 1 the year before that. He's never been sent off to my knowledge, so that reasoning holds about as much water as the "extra keeper needed for pre-match drills" excuse. And again, Emery has only started doing it since we had a squad clear out in January.
Thanks Risso, makes my point exactly.
Since, I say, since the world cup his booking record has gone up massively. Literally, a booking 'waiting' to happen!!
Has he got to big for his boots? Unai might think so, hence, two subs for this one specialist position.
Except Emery started doing the two goalies on the bench thing before Emi's yellow card count went up, which also coincided with the end of the January transfer window and the fact that we no longer had enough senior players to name a full squad.
Post by: dave shelley on March 09, 2023, 06:12:23 PM
I'd offer the opinion that it's verging on the negligent. Emery, as much as most of us love what he is mainly doing isn't beyond reproach.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 09, 2023, 06:35:10 PM
He now uses two goalkeepers on the bench. At Arsenal, he had a girlfriend and a backup in England, Sacha Wright.
Post by: Baldy on March 09, 2023, 06:40:13 PM
Post by: curiousorange on March 09, 2023, 06:40:21 PM
Post by: Drummond on March 09, 2023, 06:40:45 PM
Martinez has 32 clean sheets for Aston Villa, he needs another 32 to tie Mark Bosnich's record.
#avfc | #utv | #vtid
From. AVFC statto on Twit
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2023, 06:40:47 PM
Certainly not beyond reproach as the way he treated Sacha Wright and Lucila Vila Segui was distasteful.
He now uses two goalkeepers on the bench. At Arsenal, he had a girlfriend and a backup in England, Sacha Wright.
full on Eastie mode
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 09, 2023, 06:40:49 PM
I have no idea how that's got any relevance to anything football-related.
It doesn't it's just spam
Post by: Risso on March 09, 2023, 06:47:50 PM
🗣️Emi Martinez: 'I am going for Mark Bosnich's record, he has 64 clean sheets (which is true). That record is one of my targets.'
Martinez has 32 clean sheets for Aston Villa, he needs another 32 to tie Mark Bosnich's record.
#avfc | #utv | #vtid
From. AVFC statto on Twit
Hopefully he’ll have done that before the end of next season then! :)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 09, 2023, 06:53:14 PM
It is based on the twos principle!I have no idea how that's got any relevance to anything football-related.
It doesn't it's just spam
And btw, do you pull every post who uses language unrelated to football? There have been several instances of posts on threads with unrelated content. Be consistent then referee!
My point is fundamentally in regards to 2. It's supported by Emery's use of two in both on and off field instance and I've linked that to a comment about not being above reproach.
Perfect sense.
Symbolic use of two and that good things come in pairs is something Emery has taken on at times.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 09, 2023, 07:00:42 PM
🗣️Emi Martinez: 'I am going for Mark Bosnich's record, he has 64 clean sheets (which is true). That record is one of my targets.'
Martinez has 32 clean sheets for Aston Villa, he needs another 32 to tie Mark Bosnich's record.
#avfc | #utv | #vtid
From. AVFC statto on Twit
This is worth a discussion!
Martinez is a man who enjoys achieving his goals, so this is a great start.
32 clean sheets remain.
There are currently 13 games left for 38 games played in the season and assuming 6 more clean sheets.
He will have 26 left to make when the upcoming season 2023/2024 begins.
I'm forecasting it won't take him more than two seasons to reach 64 because by the end of next season, he should have around another 18 under his belt, and by Christmas 2024, I believe he will have done the target.
I haven't even included Cup games.
Post by: Baldy on March 09, 2023, 07:00:58 PM
It is based on the twos principle!I have no idea how that's got any relevance to anything football-related.
It doesn't it's just spam
And btw, do you pull every post who uses language unrelated to football? There have been several instances of posts on threads with unrelated content. Be consistent then referee!
My point is fundamentally in regards to 2. It's supported by Emery's use of two in both on and off field instance and I've linked that to a comment about not being above reproach.
Perfect sense.
Symbolic use of two and that good things come in pairs is something Emery has taken on at times.
Sometimes wish I was allowed a substitute for Mrs Baldy. :)
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 09, 2023, 07:15:10 PM
It is based on the twos principle!I have no idea how that's got any relevance to anything football-related.
It doesn't it's just spam
And btw, do you pull every post who uses language unrelated to football? There have been several instances of posts on threads with unrelated content. Be consistent then referee!
My point is fundamentally in regards to 2. It's supported by Emery's use of two in both on and off field instance and I've linked that to a comment about not being above reproach.
Perfect sense.
Symbolic use of two and that good things come in pairs is something Emery has taken on at times.
I'm not a referee, just someone "offering an opinion" as you like to put it. In this instance on the quality of your post or lack thereof.
Post by: eamonn on March 09, 2023, 09:36:26 PM
I often wonder do any of our players bother/are interested in looking into our past successes. All those pre-match VP tunnel reminders with trophy replicas and signs with our honours list etc. Even if it's just a job, some of them must be curious...right? I need to believe :'(
Post by: AV82EC on March 09, 2023, 09:56:34 PM
Nice to hear a current player referencing a previous club hero.
I often wonder do any of our players bother/are interested in looking into our past successes. All those pre-match VP tunnel reminders with trophy replicas and signs with our honours list etc. Even if it's just a job, some of them must be curious...right? I need to believe :'(
The last one I recall openly talking about it was Gareth Southgate, pilloried on here for his attitude when he left but someone who took the time to have a photo of the 82 team in/on his locker. I seem to recall in his book his less than oblique references to why this wasn't more celebrated at the club at the time.
Post by: Rigadon on March 09, 2023, 10:20:37 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 11, 2023, 09:18:28 AM
"I think he is taking time for the team because, maybe in some matches, we are struggling defensively and they are attacking and he has to reduce the danger. He was thinking we need to take time to control the game like we planned.
But I do not think it was wasting time. I like the referees here in England. They are very good, professional. They are defending football and the first people who want to protect the game.
But I have never told my players to waste time. Never! I want to play. I want to be honest, I want to respect football.
Sometimes you can manage to control the game - keeping possession of the ball. That is my only focus.
I played a lot of matches in Spain where there was tactical time-wasting, when opponents would do everything slowly to try and waste time like that. But I've never liked that approach.”
Post by: Allan C on March 11, 2023, 10:06:04 AM
My club, my city, my ambition to save more than Bosnich. I've heard it all before. I think.Exactly
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 11, 2023, 10:49:14 AM
True but unfortunately this outlook doesnt ever allow you to enjoy the moment. Quite a miserable outlook really.My club, my city, my ambition to save more than Bosnich. I've heard it all before. I think.Exactly
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 14, 2023, 04:29:21 PM
An Argentina journalist has published that an offer in coming weeks.
"Tottenham tiene interés concreto en Dibu Martínez y puede hacer una oferta en las próximas semanas"
Source: Gastón Edul of TyC Sports
Post by: OCD on March 14, 2023, 04:38:55 PM
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on March 15, 2023, 01:12:59 AM
He's an astute, very astute businessman that Levy.
The amount of times I've heard that he's some sort of bald f**king genius who operates on a higher plane high fiving f**king Zeus when it comes to the world of transfers really irrationally winds me up. It's the defacto view of moronic, monosyllabic twats like Jamie Redknapp with his shit leather skin.
Anyway, yeah, he's not going Spurs.
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2023, 09:29:15 AM
Bid of £2.5m + Fraser Forster incoming.
Or £50m and Hugo Lloris...
Post by: eamonn on March 15, 2023, 09:32:02 AM
Post by: Drummond on March 15, 2023, 09:58:33 AM
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2023, 10:46:56 AM
I'd prefer Forster to Lloris but it's an awful choice.
That was the joke. A bit weak probably, but there you go.
Post by: Mellin on March 15, 2023, 10:52:52 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on March 15, 2023, 11:04:07 AM
Levy missed out on tens of millions and a few season of top quality for being a tight arse over Grealish. He's a moron. Absolutely guarantee they won't meet our asking price for a 30-year-old keeper on a long term contract. He might leave, but not to Spurs.
That would be my view too.
Could seen him going to ManU but nowhere else in Premier League based on current keepers. Possibly one the small number of other Enormoclubs - not sure which of any of them need one and which if any would be willing to part with 60m+ to acquire him
Post by: OCD on March 15, 2023, 11:05:38 AM
As we improve and inevitably start to have some of our players eyed by other clubs, it would be good for us if other clubs didn't even want to approach us because they knew they wouldn't get anywhere.
Post by: eamonn on March 15, 2023, 11:07:37 AM
I'd prefer Forster to Lloris but it's an awful choice.
That was the joke. A bit weak probably, but there you go.
I know, I just like to criticise Lloris at every opportunity. He's crap and looks like an old flat-mate who I don't really like.
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2023, 11:16:05 AM
I'd prefer Forster to Lloris but it's an awful choice.
That was the joke. A bit weak probably, but there you go.
I know, I just like to criticise Lloris at every opportunity. He's crap and looks like an old flat-mate who I don't really like.
As good a reason as any!
Post by: Bad English on March 15, 2023, 12:28:41 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 15, 2023, 12:33:18 PM
I can only see Martinez making any move to a Champions League team and for the suitable price. Gregg Evans seemed to suggest that Martinez was staying this summer, but we have an Argentinan journalist Gastón Edul, suggesting interest from Spurs?
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 15, 2023, 12:39:38 PM
I'm with BE regards Lollris level, and therefore, they do need a replacement.Spurs are interested in Martinez in the same way that I'm interested in Scarlett Johansson.
I can only see Martinez making any move to a Champions League team and for the suitable price. Gregg Evans seemed to suggest that Martinez was staying this summer, but we have an Argentinan journalist Gastón Edul, suggesting interest from Spurs?
It's never going to happen but it's a nice dream.
Post by: Bad English on March 15, 2023, 12:44:56 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 15, 2023, 01:24:15 PM
Spurs are interested in Martinez in the same way that I'm interested in Scarlett Johansson.
It's never going to happen but it's a nice dream.
Her dad was Danish so you've probably more of a chance than the rest of us.
Post by: tomd2103 on March 15, 2023, 03:15:38 PM
I'm with BE regards Lollris level, and therefore, they do need a replacement.Spurs are interested in Martinez in the same way that I'm interested in Scarlett Johansson.
I can only see Martinez making any move to a Champions League team and for the suitable price. Gregg Evans seemed to suggest that Martinez was staying this summer, but we have an Argentinan journalist Gastón Edul, suggesting interest from Spurs?
It's never going to happen but it's a nice dream.
Spurs are interested in Martinez in the same way that they were interested in Jack Grealish..
It's never going to happen but it's a nice dream.
Fixed.
Post by: brontebilly on March 16, 2023, 12:59:16 AM
Lloris has a World Cup Winner's medal just like Emi. He has retired from Les Bleus as he knows his time is up. His overall medal and trophy tally is unsurprisingly meagre as he plays for Tottingham. I wouldn't call him crap though. Past it, yes.
He's past his best but still far better than the frankly useless Fraser Forster. Forster reminds me of that Croatian giant that played for us. Presence of a cat and reflexes of a brick shithouse type
Is there a decent backup keeper even in the PL (one who is definitely good enough to be a starting PL keeper at a different club)? I'm struggling to think of one (yes, I'm including Olsen 😂). One that does come to mind is Mendy at Chelsea, clearly injuries and form have impacted him recently but he was winning a CL not too long ago.
Post by: eamonn on March 16, 2023, 01:29:06 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 16, 2023, 01:34:07 AM
Post by: eamonn on March 16, 2023, 08:30:08 AM
Post by: Martyn Smith on March 16, 2023, 08:40:45 AM
He's an astute, very astute businessman that Levy.
The amount of times I've heard that he's some sort of bald f**king genius who operates on a higher plane high fiving f**king Zeus when it comes to the world of transfers really irrationally winds me up. It's the defacto view of moronic, monosyllabic twats like Jamie Redknapp with his shit leather skin.
Anyway, yeah, he's not going Spurs.
Ah, Ellis Syndrome. Getting an idee fixe that a chairman is a business genius without any real hard evidence...
Post by: Martyn Smith on March 16, 2023, 08:45:58 AM
🗣️Emi Martinez: 'I am going for Mark Bosnich's record, he has 64 clean sheets (which is true). That record is one of my targets.'
Martinez has 32 clean sheets for Aston Villa, he needs another 32 to tie Mark Bosnich's record.
#avfc | #utv | #vtid
From. AVFC statto on Twit
He's studied Villa history and has taken an interest in the club beyond it being his current employer. I like that
Post by: Dave on March 16, 2023, 09:17:52 AM
Is there a decent backup keeper even in the PL (one who is definitely good enough to be a starting PL keeper at a different club)? I'm struggling to think of one (yes, I'm including Olsen 😂).
If that's the criteria you're using then I reckon a few would get in over Bazunu at Southampton or Ward at Leicester.
Dubravka, Kelleher, Areola, Butland, Johnstone. Maybe Strakosha. One of the Chelsea guys as you said.
Navas / Henderson if you count that at Forest, which I probably wouldn't as they're both loans and they'll only keep one of them (if they stay up)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 16, 2023, 09:27:37 AM
Is there a decent backup keeper even in the PL (one who is definitely good enough to be a starting PL keeper at a different club)? I'm struggling to think of one (yes, I'm including Olsen 😂).
If that's the criteria you're using then I reckon a few would get in over Bazunu at Southampton or Ward at Leicester.
Dubravka, Kelleher, Areola, Butland, Johnstone. Maybe Strakosha. One of the Chelsea guys as you said.
Navas / Henderson if you count that at Forest, which I probably wouldn't as they're both loans and they'll only keep one of them (if they stay up)
Zack Steffen at Boro has impressed me whenever I've seen him play. He's on loan from Man City who have Stefan Ortega sitting on the bench.
Post by: eamonn on March 16, 2023, 09:59:29 AM
Post by: brontebilly on March 16, 2023, 12:21:03 PM
Is there a decent backup keeper even in the PL (one who is definitely good enough to be a starting PL keeper at a different club)? I'm struggling to think of one (yes, I'm including Olsen 😂).
If that's the criteria you're using then I reckon a few would get in over Bazunu at Southampton or Ward at Leicester.
Dubravka, Kelleher, Areola, Butland, Johnstone. Maybe Strakosha. One of the Chelsea guys as you said.
Navas / Henderson if you count that at Forest, which I probably wouldn't as they're both loans and they'll only keep one of them (if they stay up)
Bazunu has had a difficult season but doesn't belong in same conversation as Ward or the others. I rated Johnstone very highly when he was with us, sad he gave up regular football to be a backup somewhere.
Post by: Dave on March 16, 2023, 12:31:12 PM
Is there a decent backup keeper even in the PL (one who is definitely good enough to be a starting PL keeper at a different club)? I'm struggling to think of one (yes, I'm including Olsen 😂).
If that's the criteria you're using then I reckon a few would get in over Bazunu at Southampton or Ward at Leicester.
Dubravka, Kelleher, Areola, Butland, Johnstone. Maybe Strakosha. One of the Chelsea guys as you said.
Navas / Henderson if you count that at Forest, which I probably wouldn't as they're both loans and they'll only keep one of them (if they stay up)
Bazunu has had a difficult season but doesn't belong in same conversation as Ward or the others.
Given it's the first time he's played at a level higher than League One and has been pretty terrible, I'd be curious as to why you're so sure of that.
Assuming you're suggesting he's better than the others listed, of course.
Post by: paul_e on March 16, 2023, 12:41:25 PM
Post by: LeeB on March 16, 2023, 12:42:29 PM
Is there a decent backup keeper even in the PL (one who is definitely good enough to be a starting PL keeper at a different club)? I'm struggling to think of one (yes, I'm including Olsen 😂).
If that's the criteria you're using then I reckon a few would get in over Bazunu at Southampton or Ward at Leicester.
Dubravka, Kelleher, Areola, Butland, Johnstone. Maybe Strakosha. One of the Chelsea guys as you said.
Navas / Henderson if you count that at Forest, which I probably wouldn't as they're both loans and they'll only keep one of them (if they stay up)
Bazunu has had a difficult season but doesn't belong in same conversation as Ward or the others.
Given it's the first time he's played at a level higher than League One and has been pretty terrible, I'd be curious as to why you're so sure of that.
Assuming you're suggesting he's better than the others listed, of course.
Bazanu is one of Ireland's bright young things, they've been boggin' for ages now don't kill the man's hope.
Post by: danno on March 19, 2023, 04:10:16 AM
Post by: Rory on March 19, 2023, 05:41:58 AM
I think I take the guy for granted, I expected him to save that free kick if it beat the wall.
To be fair, a top level 'keeper should be saving that, but like with most things, good god didn't he make it look great. And that is of huge value.
Your 'keeper makes a save, okay, he got you off the hook. Phew.
Your 'keeper makes a save look insane, then gets straight up, hugs his defenders, gets on with organising things for the corner. That's different.
That's a leader.
I have no doubt Emi is the best in the world.
Post by: OCD on March 19, 2023, 01:52:59 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 19, 2023, 02:27:07 PM
Bazunu looks like he's been promoted a couple of years too soon. He has a lot of natural talent but makes a lot of stupid mistakes and is a big part of why they're in danger of going down.
That’s their problem in general. They’ve signed some really talented youngsters but they haven’t got the blend right.
Post by: oldhill_avfc on March 19, 2023, 02:33:39 PM
He’s donating loads of signed kit - including boots and gloves, for auction in aid of Mary Stevens Hospice, Stourbridge. He did the same last year along with other Villa, Albion and wolves players when around £10k was raised. This year’s auction will be in a few weeks time at Stourbridge football club.
Amazingly, he’s included some World Cup match worn items (semi final I think), but these may go to a separate sports specialist auction to get the best price, but if anyone is interested on here the Hospice is open to offers.
Not wishing to put anyone off, but I think he raised £45k when he recently gave away his World Cup final gloves for charity (info from the Mary Stevens fund raising team so can’t vouch for it), so serious offers only.
Post by: Drummond on March 20, 2023, 12:08:41 PM
"My career went through the roof since I joined the club.
"I've always said I'm grateful for this club, I love being here and my family is happy."
Post by: Drummond on March 20, 2023, 12:32:06 PM
'....my boys are in the Under 6 Academy too....'
'..hopefully for years to come..'
Post by: Risso on March 20, 2023, 12:35:49 PM
Post by: Drummond on March 20, 2023, 12:37:16 PM
Post by: Risso on March 20, 2023, 12:38:31 PM
Good point. I'd also like to point out that what a lot of people say is timewasting is just a case of slowing the tempo and maintaining possession, allowing the team to get in position.
Although he does seem to do a bit less of that 'slowing the tempo' when we're 3-0 up! ;)
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 20, 2023, 12:39:35 PM
from Villa Twitter.
"My career went through the roof since I joined the club.
"I've always said I'm grateful for this club, I love being here and my family is happy."
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1637786564565803011?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Clearly hates Emery, the club and city and is dying to leave at the first opportunity. Or in fact none of those.
Post by: Drummond on March 20, 2023, 12:40:58 PM
from Villa Twitter.
"My career went through the roof since I joined the club.
"I've always said I'm grateful for this club, I love being here and my family is happy."
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1637786564565803011?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Clearly hates Emery, the club and city and is dying to leave at the first opportunity. Or in fact none of those.
He's also actively trying to unlearn Spanish too.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 20, 2023, 12:42:36 PM
from Villa Twitter.
"My career went through the roof since I joined the club.
"I've always said I'm grateful for this club, I love being here and my family is happy."
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1637786564565803011?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Clearly hates Emery, the club and city and is dying to leave at the first opportunity. Or in fact none of those.
He's also actively trying to unlearn Spanish too.
Being Argentinian, that won't be as difficult as it sounds.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 20, 2023, 12:47:32 PM
I think I take the guy for granted, I expected him to save that free kick if it beat the wall.
I liked the way the wall was set, and that Martinez clearly had confidence in himself being able to save a blasted shot from Billing in pretty much the only direction he was going to aim it at (a more delicate chip to Martinez's other side would have been more difficult for him to stop, but he'd worked out that that wasn't going to happen, not from that particular player, from that short distance out).
Post by: LeeB on March 20, 2023, 02:34:36 PM
He equalled Bosnich's and Friedel's record of 33 Premier League clean sheets yesterday, having played 99 league games. He needs a clean sheet away at Chelsea to take the record outright.
I sometimes think that stats like that can be a bit pointless and say more about the team circumstance than the keeper, but those are the 3 best keepers we've had in the last 30 years by a long way, and I think it's more impressive for Emi as the others played in better teams.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 20, 2023, 03:16:37 PM
Post by: LeeB on March 20, 2023, 03:18:33 PM
Post by: Risso on March 20, 2023, 04:51:59 PM
He equalled Bosnich's and Friedel's record of 33 Premier League clean sheets yesterday, having played 99 league games. He needs a clean sheet away at Chelsea to take the record outright.
I don’t think that’s correct, Bosnich has miles more than that.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 20, 2023, 05:30:29 PM
Post by: Risso on March 20, 2023, 05:32:39 PM
Yeh didn’t Emi say the other day he was after Bozzie’s record of 62 or something while he was trying on his top?
I think that’s what a post by Drummond said recently. I’ve seen another site which says that Bossie had 50+ clean sheets in the Premier League. And he never played in the old first division for us, so it’s not a pre-1992 argument either.
Post by: Bad English on March 20, 2023, 05:37:54 PM
I'd have James over Friedel.What I like about Martinez is that he doesn't scream ¡lejos! whenever the ball comes in. Friedel shouting "away" used to annoy me more than it should.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 20, 2023, 05:38:24 PM
Post by: danno on March 20, 2023, 05:42:21 PM
A shutout against the Cherries was the Argentine’s 33rd in 99 Premier League games for the club, equaling the number accrued by both Mark Bosnich and Brad Friedel in their first 100 top flight games.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/march/20/history-maker-mart-nez-on-equaling-clean-sheet-record/
Post by: Risso on March 20, 2023, 05:51:58 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 20, 2023, 06:00:13 PM
"My career went through the roof since I joined the club. I’ve always said I’m grateful to this club and I love being here.
My family is happy at the club, my boy is obsessed with playing football and he plays for the under-6s in the academy. We’re loving our time here and hopefully there are many years to come.”
Post by: olaftab on March 20, 2023, 06:38:10 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 21, 2023, 02:17:46 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 21, 2023, 12:02:29 PM
He equalled Bosnich's and Friedel's record of 33 Premier League clean sheets yesterday, having played 99 league games. He needs a clean sheet away at Chelsea to take the record outright.
I sometimes think that stats like that can be a bit pointless and say more about the team circumstance than the keeper, but those are the 3 best keepers we've had in the last 30 years by a long way, and I think it's more impressive for Emi as the others played in better teams.
Although Bossie's total record, and especially the 33 in 99 was when he played behind God so that probably reduced the amount of shots he had to deal with.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 22, 2023, 05:29:34 PM
https://twitter.com/sc_espn/status/1638564674579881988?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Post by: OCD on March 22, 2023, 05:43:43 PM
Post by: Risso on March 22, 2023, 05:44:55 PM
Interesting going back to the first page of this thread. We seemed to think that, at £17m, we were paying over the odds.
I'm guessing that most people didn't know much about him, and that much for a reserve at his age probably did seem quite steep at the time, when there were players with more first team experience being mentioned.
Post by: OCD on March 22, 2023, 05:47:42 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 22, 2023, 06:13:14 PM
Emi is one of the options on the MoTD Top 10 episode: Dark Arts. Which is on the iPlayer.For me, that's not a good association.
Especially as it's being insinuated that dark arts is not good conduct and behaviour.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 22, 2023, 06:16:47 PM
Post by: Bad English on March 22, 2023, 06:18:09 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 22, 2023, 06:22:40 PM
Emi is one of the options on the MoTD Top 10 episode: Dark Arts. Which is on the iPlayer.For me, that's not a good association.
Especially as it's being insinuated that dark arts is not good conduct and behaviour.
fucking hell. Not this again
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 22, 2023, 06:43:51 PM
He does not want to get a reputation as these things start to count against players.Emi is one of the options on the MoTD Top 10 episode: Dark Arts. Which is on the iPlayer.For me, that's not a good association.
Especially as it's being insinuated that dark arts is not good conduct and behaviour.
fucking hell. Not this again
I think it was Antony Taylor the other week wise to him falling over and just carried on play.
Last thing we need is Martinez sent off.
Post by: Risso on March 22, 2023, 06:48:57 PM
He does not want to get a reputation as these things start to count against players.Emi is one of the options on the MoTD Top 10 episode: Dark Arts. Which is on the iPlayer.For me, that's not a good association.
Especially as it's being insinuated that dark arts is not good conduct and behaviour.
fucking hell. Not this again
I think it was Antony Taylor the other week wise to him falling over and just carried on play.
Last thing we need is Martinez sent off.
He never has been in his career, and I can’t see that he’s ever been close with us.
Post by: brontebilly on March 22, 2023, 08:34:20 PM
Is there a decent backup keeper even in the PL (one who is definitely good enough to be a starting PL keeper at a different club)? I'm struggling to think of one (yes, I'm including Olsen 😂).
If that's the criteria you're using then I reckon a few would get in over Bazunu at Southampton or Ward at Leicester.
Dubravka, Kelleher, Areola, Butland, Johnstone. Maybe Strakosha. One of the Chelsea guys as you said.
Navas / Henderson if you count that at Forest, which I probably wouldn't as they're both loans and they'll only keep one of them (if they stay up)
Bazunu has had a difficult season but doesn't belong in same conversation as Ward or the others.
Given it's the first time he's played at a level higher than League One and has been pretty terrible, I'd be curious as to why you're so sure of that.
Assuming you're suggesting he's better than the others listed, of course.
He was exceptional when he first became the Ireland keeper while at Pompey. Excellent shotstopper, powerful in his box and great feet. But his confidence is rattled of late in a terrible team, though you would have thought his experience in green playing behind the likes of Shane Duffy etc would have stood to him. Thought he could and probably should have saved Watkins header against us recently.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 23, 2023, 11:41:42 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1639048238627004418?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Post by: Rory on March 23, 2023, 11:46:38 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 23, 2023, 11:59:03 PM
First game at home after winning the WC.
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1639048238627004418?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
That is amazing, but the Argentinians let themselves down by having such a high pitched, girly collective singing voice.
3/10. Could do better.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 24, 2023, 01:09:58 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 24, 2023, 01:14:49 AM
Now that's where we should be going for a pre-season tour.
Visiting La Bombonera certainly was a highlight for me. Proper old fashioned stadium that’s going to collapse on everyone one of these days. Tickets meant nothing. You sit where you want or can in the stand you’re in. Old blokes smoking away all around. Unfortunately timing didn’t allow me to get in a game at River.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 24, 2023, 01:32:12 AM
Post by: Dave on March 24, 2023, 07:45:38 AM
Won't someone please think of the children.
Post by: Risso on March 24, 2023, 09:05:53 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 24, 2023, 06:46:08 PM
https://twitter.com/FootballRamble/status/1639054365511254017?s=20
Post by: charlatan on March 24, 2023, 07:28:59 PM
What about the indestructible Scott Carson? His teenage dream must have been to emulate Stuart Taylor. "Smashed it" as they (horribly) say.And Heaton now back in his Manchester United teenage dream world
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 24, 2023, 08:36:51 PM
Now that's where we should be going for a pre-season tour.
Visiting La Bombonera certainly was a highlight for me. Proper old fashioned stadium that’s going to collapse on everyone one of these days. Tickets meant nothing. You sit where you want or can in the stand you’re in. Old blokes smoking away all around. Unfortunately timing didn’t allow me to get in a game at River.
Tell me about it. Our guide told me it was the only safe time to visit Boca. The South Bronx had nothing on Boca, it scared the shit out of me. Matchday was different, they live football, of course we had to dress for the occasion but like everybody I met there, they were so friendly and this was less than 20 years since the war in the South Atlantic. I did a tour of El Monumental and it was like going to Craven Cottage in comparison. Brilliant country, BA is like being in Europe, people are so friendly and I can't wait to go back and I will even though I say it every year. I will return!
Post by: Ian. on March 24, 2023, 08:45:25 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr98gjcXgAUbhcX?format=jpg)
Won't someone please think of the children.
That’s ace! Funny as …
That celebration by Emi will live on forever now.
Iconic.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 24, 2023, 08:46:26 PM
A bit more from last night. What a scene
https://twitter.com/FootballRamble/status/1639054365511254017?s=20
I'm just amazed the players managed to play a game after that.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 24, 2023, 09:32:30 PM
https://twitter.com/tomcowley23/status/1639328650632757253?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 24, 2023, 10:55:43 PM
This was planned though and he might suffer consequences from such a premeditated act.
Post by: Clampy on March 24, 2023, 10:58:56 PM
Martinez, has he not learned? Why recreate being extremely vulgar in such a disgusting way. The first time was repulsive, but maybe in that moment he was unable to control his emotions because of winning the world cup and the intensity of the situation so some mitigation even if I didn't approve.
This was planned though and he might suffer consequences from such a premeditated act.
Oh dear.
Post by: Pat McMahon on March 24, 2023, 11:33:17 PM
Now that's where we should be going for a pre-season tour.
Visiting La Bombonera certainly was a highlight for me. Proper old fashioned stadium that’s going to collapse on everyone one of these days. Tickets meant nothing. You sit where you want or can in the stand you’re in. Old blokes smoking away all around. Unfortunately timing didn’t allow me to get in a game at River.
Tell me about it. Our guide told me it was the only safe time to visit Boca. The South Bronx had nothing on Boca, it scared the shit out of me. Matchday was different, they live football, of course we had to dress for the occasion but like everybody I met there, they were so friendly and this was less than 20 years since the war in the South Atlantic. I did a tour of El Monumental and it was like going to Craven Cottage in comparison. Brilliant country, BA is like being in Europe, people are so friendly and I can't wait to go back and I will even though I say it every year. I will return!
I was there a few years after you Mark in 2006 and had a stroll around Boca in the afternoon. I didn’t think it was that bad, though I didn’t have any valuables with me, other than a simple, small camera.
A couple of days later I went to a game at La Bombonera and loved it. We went to some sort of fan club before, the equivalent of the Aston Social with better grub, and it was brilliant, nobody bothered that I was English. Argentina was fantastic overall, though Buenos Aires feels like a European city transplanted into S America.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 24, 2023, 11:38:24 PM
Now that's where we should be going for a pre-season tour.
Visiting La Bombonera certainly was a highlight for me. Proper old fashioned stadium that’s going to collapse on everyone one of these days. Tickets meant nothing. You sit where you want or can in the stand you’re in. Old blokes smoking away all around. Unfortunately timing didn’t allow me to get in a game at River.
Tell me about it. Our guide told me it was the only safe time to visit Boca. The South Bronx had nothing on Boca, it scared the shit out of me. Matchday was different, they live football, of course we had to dress for the occasion but like everybody I met there, they were so friendly and this was less than 20 years since the war in the South Atlantic. I did a tour of El Monumental and it was like going to Craven Cottage in comparison. Brilliant country, BA is like being in Europe, people are so friendly and I can't wait to go back and I will even though I say it every year. I will return!
Loved it all. Couldn’t stick around for River tour because had to get back to Rio. But yes people are wonderful. I do have a few more on the list I have to hit before jumping in the box but glad I got these off the list.
(https://i.ibb.co/xCsh6xF/95-BE710-E-C131-492-E-859-E-57-D92-A2-F413-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xCsh6xF)
(https://i.ibb.co/D8rVD3Q/F3504361-A713-4-F26-BA15-0-F33-B03269-D7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D8rVD3Q)
(https://i.ibb.co/3CB47L4/FA3-FE5-F4-C458-49-B4-84-BD-49-B3-D71-C8882.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3CB47L4)
(https://i.ibb.co/Xyr3fWV/323-C472-D-E130-49-F0-BAE9-3-F68-EAED5-C96.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Xyr3fWV)
Post by: Bad English on March 25, 2023, 05:44:32 AM
It was better down VP during the game against Palace the other week.A bit more from last night. What a scene
https://twitter.com/FootballRamble/status/1639054365511254017?s=20
I'm just amazed the players managed to play a game after that.
Post by: Mister E on March 25, 2023, 07:04:10 AM
Martinez, has he not learned? Why recreate being extremely vulgar in such a disgusting way. The first time was repulsive, but maybe in that moment he was unable to control his emotions because of winning the world cup and the intensity of the situation so some mitigation even if I didn't approve.F-V have you not learned?
This was planned though and he might suffer consequences from such a premeditated act.
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 25, 2023, 07:43:09 AM
Now that's where we should be going for a pre-season tour.
Visiting La Bombonera certainly was a highlight for me. Proper old fashioned stadium that’s going to collapse on everyone one of these days. Tickets meant nothing. You sit where you want or can in the stand you’re in. Old blokes smoking away all around. Unfortunately timing didn’t allow me to get in a game at River.
Tell me about it. Our guide told me it was the only safe time to visit Boca. The South Bronx had nothing on Boca, it scared the shit out of me. Matchday was different, they live football, of course we had to dress for the occasion but like everybody I met there, they were so friendly and this was less than 20 years since the war in the South Atlantic. I did a tour of El Monumental and it was like going to Craven Cottage in comparison. Brilliant country, BA is like being in Europe, people are so friendly and I can't wait to go back and I will even though I say it every year. I will return!
Loved it all. Couldn’t stick around for River tour because had to get back to Rio. But yes people are wonderful. I do have a few more on the list I have to hit before jumping in the box but glad I got these off the list.
(https://i.ibb.co/xCsh6xF/95-BE710-E-C131-492-E-859-E-57-D92-A2-F413-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xCsh6xF)
(https://i.ibb.co/D8rVD3Q/F3504361-A713-4-F26-BA15-0-F33-B03269-D7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D8rVD3Q)
(https://i.ibb.co/3CB47L4/FA3-FE5-F4-C458-49-B4-84-BD-49-B3-D71-C8882.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3CB47L4)
(https://i.ibb.co/Xyr3fWV/323-C472-D-E130-49-F0-BAE9-3-F68-EAED5-C96.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Xyr3fWV)
Now that's where we should be going for a pre-season tour.
Visiting La Bombonera certainly was a highlight for me. Proper old fashioned stadium that’s going to collapse on everyone one of these days. Tickets meant nothing. You sit where you want or can in the stand you’re in. Old blokes smoking away all around. Unfortunately timing didn’t allow me to get in a game at River.
Tell me about it. Our guide told me it was the only safe time to visit Boca. The South Bronx had nothing on Boca, it scared the shit out of me. Matchday was different, they live football, of course we had to dress for the occasion but like everybody I met there, they were so friendly and this was less than 20 years since the war in the South Atlantic. I did a tour of El Monumental and it was like going to Craven Cottage in comparison. Brilliant country, BA is like being in Europe, people are so friendly and I can't wait to go back and I will even though I say it every year. I will return!
Loved it all. Couldn’t stick around for River tour because had to get back to Rio. But yes people are wonderful. I do have a few more on the list I have to hit before jumping in the box but glad I got these off the list.
(https://i.ibb.co/xCsh6xF/95-BE710-E-C131-492-E-859-E-57-D92-A2-F413-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xCsh6xF)
(https://i.ibb.co/D8rVD3Q/F3504361-A713-4-F26-BA15-0-F33-B03269-D7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D8rVD3Q)
(https://i.ibb.co/3CB47L4/FA3-FE5-F4-C458-49-B4-84-BD-49-B3-D71-C8882.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3CB47L4)
(https://i.ibb.co/Xyr3fWV/323-C472-D-E130-49-F0-BAE9-3-F68-EAED5-C96.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Xyr3fWV)
Some great photos there mate
Post by: olaftab on March 25, 2023, 10:21:12 AM
(You jammy bastard not that I am jealous and I have heard they are going to demolish it and rebuild😥)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 25, 2023, 10:54:18 AM
Well it's just we don't want courting controversy and that young minors players around the world will be likely to imitate the celebration which to me is very questionable. I get some don't mind but there will be minors mimicking that who are unaware of the immoral act it's portraying and could be told off.Martinez, has he not learned? Why recreate being extremely vulgar in such a disgusting way. The first time was repulsive, but maybe in that moment he was unable to control his emotions because of winning the world cup and the intensity of the situation so some mitigation even if I didn't approve.F-V have you not learned?
This was planned though and he might suffer consequences from such a premeditated act.
I'll let that be an end of it but not impressed.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 25, 2023, 10:56:35 AM
Now that's where we should be going for a pre-season tour.
Visiting La Bombonera certainly was a highlight for me. Proper old fashioned stadium that’s going to collapse on everyone one of these days. Tickets meant nothing. You sit where you want or can in the stand you’re in. Old blokes smoking away all around. Unfortunately timing didn’t allow me to get in a game at River.
Tell me about it. Our guide told me it was the only safe time to visit Boca. The South Bronx had nothing on Boca, it scared the shit out of me. Matchday was different, they live football, of course we had to dress for the occasion but like everybody I met there, they were so friendly and this was less than 20 years since the war in the South Atlantic. I did a tour of El Monumental and it was like going to Craven Cottage in comparison. Brilliant country, BA is like being in Europe, people are so friendly and I can't wait to go back and I will even though I say it every year. I will return!
Loved it all. Couldn’t stick around for River tour because had to get back to Rio. But yes people are wonderful. I do have a few more on the list I have to hit before jumping in the box but glad I got these off the list.
(https://i.ibb.co/xCsh6xF/95-BE710-E-C131-492-E-859-E-57-D92-A2-F413-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xCsh6xF)
(https://i.ibb.co/D8rVD3Q/F3504361-A713-4-F26-BA15-0-F33-B03269-D7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D8rVD3Q)
(https://i.ibb.co/3CB47L4/FA3-FE5-F4-C458-49-B4-84-BD-49-B3-D71-C8882.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3CB47L4)
(https://i.ibb.co/Xyr3fWV/323-C472-D-E130-49-F0-BAE9-3-F68-EAED5-C96.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Xyr3fWV)
This is fantastic! I can imagine how great to see another culture of football fandom is and to experience that must have been quite something.
Post by: Axl Rose on March 25, 2023, 11:11:55 AM
Well it's just we don't want courting controversy and that young minors players around the world will be likely to imitate the celebration which to me is very questionable. I get some don't mind but there will be minors mimicking that who are unaware of the immoral act it's portraying and could be told off.Martinez, has he not learned? Why recreate being extremely vulgar in such a disgusting way. The first time was repulsive, but maybe in that moment he was unable to control his emotions because of winning the world cup and the intensity of the situation so some mitigation even if I didn't approve.F-V have you not learned?
This was planned though and he might suffer consequences from such a premeditated act.
I'll let that be an end of it but not impressed.
What has Emi done now?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 25, 2023, 03:04:45 PM
“Disgusting”
“Repulsive”
“Immoral”.
Obviously the F-V collective have Mary Whitehouse operating the account today
Post by: Axl Rose on March 25, 2023, 03:05:27 PM
“Extremely vulgar”
“Disgusting”
“Repulsive”
“Immoral”.
That's the correct way to live 😅
Post by: clash city rocker on March 25, 2023, 03:32:07 PM
“Extremely vulgar”
“Disgusting”
“Repulsive”
“Immoral”.
That's the correct way to live 😅
I'm with you there Axl. Only way to be
Post by: olaftab on March 25, 2023, 03:49:37 PM
Sorry to sayy I have only done two out four, mainly repulsive and immoral stuff ;D“Extremely vulgar”
“Disgusting”
“Repulsive”
“Immoral”.
That's the correct way to live 😅
Post by: adrenachrome on March 25, 2023, 03:49:49 PM
“Extremely vulgar”
“Disgusting”
“Repulsive”
“Immoral”.
Obviously the F-V collective have Mary Whitehouse operating the account today
Young Minors Mimicking would be a good name for a band.
The F-V Algorithm was bound to take umbrage at the Three Musketeers' shenanigans.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 25, 2023, 07:06:08 PM
https://twitter.com/stoolfootball/status/1639688809846546432?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Post by: Scott Nielsen on March 26, 2023, 04:10:02 AM
Rule changes for keepers during a penalty. Yet none of the bollocks stop start run ups are being curtailed. I don’t see an issue with a bit of shithousery. The odds are stacked against the keeper as it is. A pro should never miss a big fuck of net when the keeper already has to keep a foot on the line. May as well just give the goal of you remove the psychological element.
https://twitter.com/stoolfootball/status/1639688809846546432?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
More nonsense from a football governing body. Who'd have thought.
Post by: Axl Rose on March 26, 2023, 07:38:06 AM
Sorry to sayy I have only done two out four, mainly repulsive and immoral stuff ;D“Extremely vulgar”
“Disgusting”
“Repulsive”
“Immoral”.
That's the correct way to live 😅
We'll soon get you out to speed on your next trip to Tokyo, fella!
Post by: dave shelley on March 26, 2023, 10:37:48 AM
* Blazing Saddles.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 26, 2023, 03:23:10 PM
“Extremely vulgar”
“Disgusting”
“Repulsive”
“Immoral”.
Obviously the F-V collective have Mary Whitehouse operating the account today
I see that she had traditional moral convictions and was a great advocate of decency. Needs to be more people like this today.
Post by: clash city rocker on March 26, 2023, 03:24:57 PM
“Extremely vulgar”
“Disgusting”
“Repulsive”
“Immoral”.
Obviously the F-V collective have Mary Whitehouse operating the account today
I see that she had traditional moral convictions and was a great advocate of decency. Needs to be more people like this today.
She used to live not far from me
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 26, 2023, 03:45:00 PM
Post by: LeeB on March 26, 2023, 04:00:08 PM
The most conservative and morally outraged are often the ones hiding the most, and living hypocritical double lives. Mary Whitehouse probably pleasured herself with a rolling pin while being openly outraged at others pleasuring themselves with a rolling pin.
She was from Nuneaton so it tracks, though I reckon dominatrix that pegged her husband, whether he liked it or not.
Post by: itbrvilla on March 26, 2023, 08:54:19 PM
what's immoral about holding your cock? I do it multiple times a day. Sometimes I pull a face in the mirror whilst doing so. You're not from some religo-fascist hell hole are you?Well it's just we don't want courting controversy and that young minors players around the world will be likely to imitate the celebration which to me is very questionable. I get some don't mind but there will be minors mimicking that who are unaware of the immoral act it's portraying and could be told off.Martinez, has he not learned? Why recreate being extremely vulgar in such a disgusting way. The first time was repulsive, but maybe in that moment he was unable to control his emotions because of winning the world cup and the intensity of the situation so some mitigation even if I didn't approve.F-V have you not learned?
This was planned though and he might suffer consequences from such a premeditated act.
I'll let that be an end of it but not impressed.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 27, 2023, 10:51:28 AM
what's immoral about holding your cock? I do it multiple times a day. Sometimes I pull a face in the mirror whilst doing so. You're not from some religo-fascist hell hole are you?Well it's just we don't want courting controversy and that young minors players around the world will be likely to imitate the celebration which to me is very questionable. I get some don't mind but there will be minors mimicking that who are unaware of the immoral act it's portraying and could be told off.Martinez, has he not learned? Why recreate being extremely vulgar in such a disgusting way. The first time was repulsive, but maybe in that moment he was unable to control his emotions because of winning the world cup and the intensity of the situation so some mitigation even if I didn't approve.F-V have you not learned?
This was planned though and he might suffer consequences from such a premeditated act.
I'll let that be an end of it but not impressed.
I think he's from Gilead.
Post by: Bad English on March 27, 2023, 12:22:50 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 27, 2023, 02:11:16 PM
I have a moral compass and not one for abhorrent behaviour. I'm understanding enough that not all people are like that though and lewd acts are fine to some to be shown. Just something I personally don't agree with as it will be recreated when football players celebrate winning trophies.what's immoral about holding your cock? I do it multiple times a day. Sometimes I pull a face in the mirror whilst doing so. You're not from some religo-fascist hell hole are you?Well it's just we don't want courting controversy and that young minors players around the world will be likely to imitate the celebration which to me is very questionable. I get some don't mind but there will be minors mimicking that who are unaware of the immoral act it's portraying and could be told off.Martinez, has he not learned? Why recreate being extremely vulgar in such a disgusting way. The first time was repulsive, but maybe in that moment he was unable to control his emotions because of winning the world cup and the intensity of the situation so some mitigation even if I didn't approve.F-V have you not learned?
This was planned though and he might suffer consequences from such a premeditated act.
I'll let that be an end of it but not impressed.
We'll move on shall we.
Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2023, 02:38:51 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 27, 2023, 03:14:31 PM
I have a moral compass and not one for abhorrent behaviour. I'm understanding enough that not all people are like that though and lewd acts are fine to some to be shown. Just something I personally don't agree with as it will be recreated when football players celebrate winning trophies.what's immoral about holding your cock? I do it multiple times a day. Sometimes I pull a face in the mirror whilst doing so. You're not from some religo-fascist hell hole are you?Well it's just we don't want courting controversy and that young minors players around the world will be likely to imitate the celebration which to me is very questionable. I get some don't mind but there will be minors mimicking that who are unaware of the immoral act it's portraying and could be told off.Martinez, has he not learned? Why recreate being extremely vulgar in such a disgusting way. The first time was repulsive, but maybe in that moment he was unable to control his emotions because of winning the world cup and the intensity of the situation so some mitigation even if I didn't approve.F-V have you not learned?
This was planned though and he might suffer consequences from such a premeditated act.
I'll let that be an end of it but not impressed.
We'll move on shall we.
Classic from the FV Collective here.
State some nonsense, get a bite then finish with 'move on shall we'.
Post by: OCD on March 28, 2023, 12:50:28 PM
Post by: Risso on March 31, 2023, 01:30:59 PM
And now I've posted that, he's undoubtedly going to trip over a cone and be injured for tomorrow.
Post by: Smirker on April 01, 2023, 07:27:31 PM
BEST IN THE WORLD.
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 01, 2023, 07:40:42 PM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on April 01, 2023, 07:44:44 PM
But , Emi, please stop playing out to the player running back towards the penalty area , even if you do save the resulting gilt edged chance !
Post by: Eckybloke on April 01, 2023, 07:51:42 PM
Who am I kidding, he’s the best.
Post by: OCD on April 01, 2023, 08:01:19 PM
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 02, 2023, 10:09:41 AM
He's taken the record for the most clean sheets for us in his first 100 appearances with that result.
How many more does he need to overtake Bosnich’s clean sheet record?
Post by: chrisw1 on April 02, 2023, 10:23:59 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 02, 2023, 10:28:43 AM
He's taken the record for the most clean sheets for us in his first 100 appearances with that result.
How many more does he need to overtake Bosnich’s clean sheet record?
Here's a list (https://www.footballfancast.com/aston-villa-news/aston-villa-every-no-1-in-villas-premier-league-history-ranked-on-clean-sheets/) of our PL-era goalkeepers ranked by clean sheets. He's one behind Friedel now, a dozen off Sorensen, but he still needs half as many as he's got again to catch Bosnich.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 02, 2023, 10:33:04 AM
Post by: olaftab on April 02, 2023, 10:36:13 AM
Absolute monster performance. There was no way they were scoring.Yup. Even the shot from Chilwell that hit the post was covered.
Post by: LeeB on April 02, 2023, 02:06:38 PM
Post by: Risso on April 02, 2023, 02:11:01 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 02, 2023, 02:19:37 PM
He's taken the record for the most clean sheets for us in his first 100 appearances with that result.
How many more does he need to overtake Bosnich’s clean sheet record?
Here's a list (https://www.footballfancast.com/aston-villa-news/aston-villa-every-no-1-in-villas-premier-league-history-ranked-on-clean-sheets/) of our PL-era goalkeepers ranked by clean sheets. He's one behind Friedel now, a dozen off Sorensen, but he still needs half as many as he's got again to catch Bosnich.
James must have had more than 12.
Post by: OCD on April 03, 2023, 10:58:45 AM
Should've added that I think that Bosnich stat is another contribution towards things that'll make him stay. It's what drives him.
He's said as much himself. He wants Bozzie's record.
Post by: Risso on April 03, 2023, 11:12:05 AM
He's taken the record for the most clean sheets for us in his first 100 appearances with that result.
How many more does he need to overtake Bosnich’s clean sheet record?
Here's a list (https://www.footballfancast.com/aston-villa-news/aston-villa-every-no-1-in-villas-premier-league-history-ranked-on-clean-sheets/) of our PL-era goalkeepers ranked by clean sheets. He's one behind Friedel now, a dozen off Sorensen, but he still needs half as many as he's got again to catch Bosnich.
James must have had more than 12.
He did, just had a quick look and it's about 20.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 03, 2023, 11:57:43 AM
Also seems James also conceded the most goals for a keeper in PL history as well. Probably down to his concentration levels sometimes.
Post by: eamonn on April 03, 2023, 02:50:58 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/video/0_xwbkcbpg
Post by: Smirker on April 03, 2023, 03:18:37 PM
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Post by: rooboy316 on April 16, 2023, 06:02:42 AM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on April 16, 2023, 08:44:11 AM
His positioning, and reflexes, are exceptional.
Post by: Baldy on April 17, 2023, 12:08:14 PM
Didn't have a lot to do, aside from a good save off Isak - the kind that is becoming expected, par for the course for him. But special mention to for his distribution. Clearly the instructions changed, and he was asked to play it long or dink it over to the fullbacks more often, which he did with aplomb.
I owe big Emi an apology. When he returned from the World Cup his constant delaying tactics had me scratching my head. Sending me and others, nuts!! A few months later, I now realise it was all to allow himself and the team adapt to our new style of play, get into proper position etc
Now his distribution is fantastic. Options galore. Has the opponents scratching their heads.
Sorry Emi.
Post by: Drummond on April 17, 2023, 12:35:58 PM
Didn't have a lot to do, aside from a good save off Isak - the kind that is becoming expected, par for the course for him. But special mention to for his distribution. Clearly the instructions changed, and he was asked to play it long or dink it over to the fullbacks more often, which he did with aplomb.
I had a lovely clear view from Lower North of that save. I love watching a keeper in full flight; and in that bright yellow kit, in contrast to the crowd behind, it looked magnificent.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 17, 2023, 12:37:50 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 17, 2023, 12:44:41 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 17, 2023, 12:50:46 PM
His distribution was excellent on Saturday. McGinn had his work cut out against Burn's height and strength, so needed balls right into his gut, which Emi seemed to find pretty much every time. And the way McGinn handled them and Burn was absolutely superb.if other premiership manager was looking at dealing with Burn,he just needs to look at Mcginn s awful treatment of him,loved the way he ploughed through the Newcastle defenders for the third goal,he reminded of a certain Eamonn Deacy
Post by: darren woolley on April 17, 2023, 02:42:04 PM
Post by: Monty on April 22, 2023, 07:14:24 PM
Post by: WarszaVillan on April 22, 2023, 07:25:17 PM
He really is our best player isn't he? Everything goes to shit without him.
Even when he has the shits he's the best player on the pitch.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 22, 2023, 07:32:43 PM
He really is our best player isn't he? Everything goes to shit without him.
Maybe not always our best player but our most indispensable. For me, the most important signing we've made since we got promoted.
Post by: Pete3206 on April 22, 2023, 07:34:41 PM
He really is our best player isn't he? Everything goes to shit without him.
Yes, because the defence has no confidence in Olsen.
Post by: OCD on April 22, 2023, 07:46:28 PM
Post by: olaftab on April 22, 2023, 07:48:40 PM
He really is our best player isn't he? Everything goes to shit without him.But he’s no Phil Parkes. ( sorry, you’re probably a bit young to know the legend that was Phil, always the best player in crap teams)
Post by: RichardBatchelor on April 22, 2023, 07:51:23 PM
Post by: remy on April 22, 2023, 11:16:24 PM
World Cup winner
Golden boot winner
Best keeper in the prem.
How much was paid for Kepa ? £75m FIVE years ago.
Both in head up ass syndrome akin to Walsall signing Mbpappe.
Post by: KevinGage on April 22, 2023, 11:37:59 PM
An attitude adjuster, if you will.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 23, 2023, 01:01:03 AM
Post by: Flin5tone on April 23, 2023, 01:18:36 AM
First thing to be sorted in the summer
Post by: KevinGage on April 23, 2023, 01:59:37 AM
They just didn't know how to express their troubling feelings of love and animal attraction toward you.
I'm sure you get that all the time.
Post by: Rory on April 23, 2023, 04:39:32 AM
Every time I watch Olsen I remind myself that he has won Sweden's best goalkeeper 8 years in a row. How? I know they don't have a massive population but it still blows my nut. Poor bastards. How many teams can say their keepers are both No.1's for a team ranked in the top 25? Yet the drop off is massive.
Real world aside, I feel sorry for Olsen. Granted, he makes a fortune for not being very good, but it's not as if he's shit on purpose.
He's clearly not good enough for where we are, and I don't think he would've been good enough for where we were 7 years ago. I'd say he knows that - or if not, he should.
It's not his fault that he's our back-up 'keeper. That's our failure. Hopefully we both move on in the summer - he can move to a club befitting his ability, and we can find a more effective replacement, a 24-pack of Skol, for example.
Post by: Axl Rose on April 23, 2023, 04:52:27 AM
Post by: Rory on April 23, 2023, 04:54:51 AM
Skol. 😂
Throwback humour 😉
Post by: LeonW on April 23, 2023, 05:20:23 AM
Post by: olaftab on April 23, 2023, 07:36:20 AM
Every time I watch Olsen I remind myself that he has won Sweden's best goalkeeper 8 years in a row. How? I know they don't have a massive population but it still blows my nut. Poor bastards. How many teams can say their keepers are both No.1's for a team ranked in the top 25? Yet the drop off is massive.You see Swedes are not keepers they are givers so I am not surprised that they don’t produce any decent keepers😉
Post by: olaftab on April 23, 2023, 07:37:09 AM
Martinez is genuinely a world class player. The first we had since, Platt?Of course Jordan Bowery could have been.
Post by: LeonW on April 23, 2023, 08:09:59 AM
Martinez is genuinely a world class player. The first we had since, Platt?Of course Jordan Bowery could have been.
It’s amazing how often his name keeps cropping up. It’s like there’s some sort of Jordan Bowery cult at work.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 23, 2023, 08:23:48 AM
We have some fine artists on here, could anyone draw Olsen’s face?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 23, 2023, 08:49:58 AM
Martinez is genuinely a world class player. The first we had since, Platt?Of course Jordan Bowery could have been.
It’s amazing how often his name keeps cropping up. It’s like there’s some sort of Jordan Bowery cult at work.
I think he scored for somebody last week.
Post by: TelfordVilla on April 23, 2023, 08:55:10 AM
Post by: Beard82 on April 23, 2023, 08:57:00 AM
Martinez is genuinely a world class player. The first we had since, Platt?God?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 23, 2023, 09:01:29 AM
The problem is, how do you get a competent back up keeper to the worlds best. Knowing that you will rarely play (except for injury cover) and your career will be over.
Being in Europe and regularly getting to the latter stages of cup competitions.
Post by: trinityoap on April 23, 2023, 09:09:07 AM
Post by: Ian. on April 23, 2023, 09:16:43 AM
The problem is, how do you get a competent back up keeper to the worlds best. Knowing that you will rarely play (except for injury cover) and your career will be over.
That’s exactly what Martinez was before we signed him.
Post by: LukeJames on April 23, 2023, 09:49:43 AM
According to Wikipedia(yes I know!)as at the start of April Jordan Bowery had featured in 419 senior games and scored 67 goals if I have added things up correctly.I should have liked to have been that good. However he is not as good as E M.I've read this now about 5 or 6 times and ive gone back through previous messages to see if there is a link but I must confess I have no idea how you came to compare these two players. Top work sir.
Post by: LeeB on April 23, 2023, 09:51:31 AM
According to Wikipedia(yes I know!)as at the start of April Jordan Bowery had featured in 419 senior games and scored 67 goals if I have added things up correctly.I should have liked to have been that good. However he is not as good as E M.I've read this now about 5 or 6 times and ive gone back through previous messages to see if there is a link but I must confess I have no idea how you came to compare these two players. Top work sir.
Bowery is still probably a better keeper than Olsen.
Post by: danno on April 23, 2023, 09:53:57 AM
Post by: Monty on April 23, 2023, 09:55:23 AM
Hutton said something in his interview about how you can't underestimate confidence as a factor, how powerful it is. With Olsen, we're seeing a perfectly OK career keeper, an international, nothing spectacular but a decent pro, basically reduced to a big jellied eel by lack of confidence.
Post by: LeeB on April 23, 2023, 10:01:57 AM
With Olsen, I've seen him over the years a bit and he's never been this terrible before that I can recall. I think he's out of his depth and it's got to him psychologically.
Hutton said something in his interview about how you can't underestimate confidence as a factor, how powerful it is. With Olsen, we're seeing a perfectly OK career keeper, an international, nothing spectacular but a decent pro, basically reduced to a big jellied eel by lack of confidence.
Do you think maybe it's the change in focus with keepers needing to be actual footballers now? Some of the older generation struggling with it, De Gea is an absolute liability as well.
Post by: Monty on April 23, 2023, 10:10:11 AM
For De Gea, who knows, in theory he should be good at it all. Perhaps the managerial chaos during his time at Man Utd hasn't helped - and indeed of those managers, only two (van Gaal and ten Hag, not coincidentally the two Dutchmen) would have focused any attention whatsoever on his outfield role, so he probably hasn't had the training to adapt.
Post by: Risso on April 23, 2023, 10:22:59 AM
The problem is, how do you get a competent back up keeper to the worlds best. Knowing that you will rarely play (except for injury cover) and your career will be over.
It won’t be hard to find somebody better than Olsen though.
Post by: danno on April 23, 2023, 10:26:05 AM
Post by: Ian. on April 23, 2023, 10:27:09 AM
With Olsen, I've seen him over the years a bit and he's never been this terrible before that I can recall. I think he's out of his depth and it's got to him psychologically.
Hutton said something in his interview about how you can't underestimate confidence as a factor, how powerful it is. With Olsen, we're seeing a perfectly OK career keeper, an international, nothing spectacular but a decent pro, basically reduced to a big jellied eel by lack of confidence.
Do you think maybe it's the change in focus with keepers needing to be actual footballers now? Some of the older generation struggling with it, De Gea is an absolute liability as well.
I reckon that’s it, he’s a keeper who likes to stay in his box. He hasn’t got the footballers brain to read the game and sweep up, or to come out and help defend high, let alone be expected to play football with his feet. He’s got to be the worse possible keeper for us with the style we play.
Post by: Flin5tone on April 23, 2023, 11:13:16 AM
And then a decent no.3
Post by: Monty on April 23, 2023, 11:14:11 AM
Post by: LeeB on April 23, 2023, 11:22:30 AM
Post by: Risso on April 23, 2023, 12:40:12 PM
We're in the situation Spurs had with finding a decent backup for Kane, tough to convince anyone to sign knowing you're not getting a game unless they're injured and not really in position to throw silly money at someone because you can.
Apart from the £70m on Richarlison?
Post by: Monty on April 23, 2023, 12:41:30 PM
Whatever the plan was it's been a roaring success.
Post by: john e on April 23, 2023, 12:59:04 PM
He costs us in most games he plays it’s an absolutely ridiculous situation
It’s a key position, probably the most important position on the pitch and we’ve got that numpty wobbling about
Post by: olaftab on April 23, 2023, 01:31:32 PM
We need a solid pair of hands as no.2 Tom Heaton was absolutely fantastic option , shame he left.I am told Heaton left because the club did not let his family buy season tickets without joining the queue.
And then a decent no.3
Post by: olaftab on April 23, 2023, 01:39:25 PM
Post by: Dave on April 23, 2023, 01:55:40 PM
When Forest are relegated Navas will be free, so we should give him 12 months contract as back up for Emi.
Still got a year left on his PSG contract I believe.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 23, 2023, 01:56:01 PM
When Forest are relegated Navas will be free, so we should give him 12 months contract as back up for Emi.
Good shout, even if it's on loan for a year from PSG.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 23, 2023, 01:59:48 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 23, 2023, 02:00:31 PM
When Forest are relegated Navas will be free, so we should give him 12 months contract as back up for Emi.
Still got a year left on his PSG contract I believe.
The American fella at Boro, Zack Steffan on loan from Man City has impressed me this season.
Post by: danno on April 23, 2023, 02:03:13 PM
Post by: Dave on April 23, 2023, 02:03:28 PM
What’s happened to that arrogant fcuk Henderson?
Still on loan at Forest, injured. Hence them bringing Navas in.
Post by: danno on April 23, 2023, 02:04:28 PM
What’s happened to that arrogant fcuk Henderson?
Dean Henderson? On loan at Forest and injured, so they got Navas in.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 23, 2023, 02:22:19 PM
The American fella at Boro, Zack Steffan on loan from Man City has impressed me this season.
Do we really want a player called Zack? Admittedly we've had a couple of Brads as keeper.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 24, 2023, 03:02:32 AM
It cannot stand.
Post by: algy on April 24, 2023, 07:07:25 AM
Oh? I'd heard the opposite. Tried to get a season ticket, the club offered them one straight away, then Heaton was last seen running round the Lickey Hills wearing a tin foil hat and shouting "it's all a hoax"We need a solid pair of hands as no.2 Tom Heaton was absolutely fantastic option , shame he left.I am told Heaton left because the club did not let his family buy season tickets without joining the queue.
And then a decent no.3
Post by: Risso on April 24, 2023, 09:12:59 AM
I don't often agree with you, BV, but on this we are as one. If we lower our guard against Zacks, a Chad, a Hunter...God forbid, a Todd can only be a heartbeat away.
It cannot stand.
The day we sign a Kai, is the day I stop going.
Post by: Drummond on April 24, 2023, 10:34:30 AM
I don't often agree with you, BV, but on this we are as one. If we lower our guard against Zacks, a Chad, a Hunter...God forbid, a Todd can only be a heartbeat away.
It cannot stand.
The day we sign a Kai, is the day I stop going.
But our sleeve partner is Kai Yun....
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 24, 2023, 10:41:57 AM
Buy Chuck is ok errI don't often agree with you, BV, but on this we are as one. If we lower our guard against Zacks, a Chad, a Hunter...God forbid, a Todd can only be a heartbeat away.
It cannot stand.
The day we sign a Kai, is the day I stop going.
Post by: WarszaVillan on April 24, 2023, 10:46:06 AM
I don't often agree with you, BV, but on this we are as one. If we lower our guard against Zacks, a Chad, a Hunter...God forbid, a Todd can only be a heartbeat away.
It cannot stand.
We nearly signed a Todd, but luckily realised it Cant(end)well
Post by: wince on April 24, 2023, 11:04:25 AM
Post by: Drummond on April 24, 2023, 11:05:49 AM
Am I being daft but why was was Emi subbed for the unfortunate Olsen sibling? Please tell me he isnt injured and he just has a case of the London Blitz?
Feeling unwell.
It's not the first time that's happened is it? Isn't that the 2nd or 3rd time he's been unwell and missed out or been subbed?
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 24, 2023, 11:09:14 AM
supposedly vomiting in the changing room at half timeAm I being daft but why was was Emi subbed for the unfortunate Olsen sibling? Please tell me he isnt injured and he just has a case of the London Blitz?
Feeling unwell.
It's not the first time that's happened is it? Isn't that the 2nd or 3rd time he's been unwell and missed out or been subbed?
Post by: Monty on April 24, 2023, 11:10:23 AM
supposedly vomiting in the changing room at half timeAm I being daft but why was was Emi subbed for the unfortunate Olsen sibling? Please tell me he isnt injured and he just has a case of the London Blitz?
Feeling unwell.
It's not the first time that's happened is it? Isn't that the 2nd or 3rd time he's been unwell and missed out or been subbed?
As opposed to the rest of us who were vomiting after halftime.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 24, 2023, 11:38:58 AM
Post by: Risso on April 24, 2023, 11:41:18 AM
Post by: Drummond on April 24, 2023, 12:12:55 PM
Post by: wince on April 24, 2023, 12:14:28 PM
Hopefully just a 24 hour thing and he'll be right as rain.
Hopefully. Because if not we have a keeper who has the shits in goal replaced with a keeper who is shit in goal!
Post by: Beard82 on April 24, 2023, 12:32:09 PM
Sure there is a joke about "Clean Sheets" in there somewhereHopefully just a 24 hour thing and he'll be right as rain.
Hopefully. Because if not we have a keeper who has the shits in goal replaced with a keeper who is shit in goal!
Post by: OCD on April 24, 2023, 12:48:43 PM
Post by: brontebilly on April 24, 2023, 06:38:02 PM
Post by: KevinGage on April 24, 2023, 06:55:19 PM
So how does this doofus end up as first choice goalie for a decent national side.
Post by: paul_e on April 24, 2023, 06:59:55 PM
Our Scandi cousins play handball, hockey and all manner of hand-led sports from a young age.
So how does this doofus end up as first choice goalie for a decent national side.
... because the ones who are good with their hands play those other sports?
Post by: Risso on April 24, 2023, 07:02:56 PM
Our Scandi cousins play handball, hockey and all manner of hand-led sports from a young age.
So how does this doofus end up as first choice goalie for a decent national side.
... because the ones who are good with their hands play those other sports?
Could we borrow one of them?
Post by: danno on April 24, 2023, 07:04:57 PM
Post by: paul_e on April 24, 2023, 07:05:15 PM
Our Scandi cousins play handball, hockey and all manner of hand-led sports from a young age.
So how does this doofus end up as first choice goalie for a decent national side.
... because the ones who are good with their hands play those other sports?
Could we borrow one of them?
I'm honestly more worried about what he does with his feet right now, stays on his line too much and is nothing like good enough at kicking a ball to replace Emi.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 24, 2023, 07:31:37 PM
I don't often agree with you, BV, but on this we are as one. If we lower our guard against Zacks, a Chad, a Hunter...God forbid, a Todd can only be a heartbeat away.
It cannot stand.
You might want to go and have a lie-down.
Agree with those sentiments entirely, and it is reassuring that we got rid of 'Chuck(y)' as soon as the first significant offer came in for him.
Post by: newryvillain on April 25, 2023, 07:31:22 PM
Compulsive viewing but what struck me the most was how much this guy loves our club - I don’t think he’s going anywhere, any way soon.
So happy to have him!
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 26, 2023, 02:12:37 AM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1650968615116582912?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Post by: Ian. on April 26, 2023, 05:51:47 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 26, 2023, 01:15:06 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 26, 2023, 01:29:01 PM
“It’s massive, the club. I’m proud of playing for Aston Villa you know. I’m really proud. I love it here. I’m trying to bring friends to Villa, the Argentinians!”
Is he after a scouting job 🤔
Post by: Drummond on April 26, 2023, 03:08:17 PM
“It’s massive, the club. I’m proud of playing for Aston Villa you know. I’m really proud. I love it here. I’m trying to bring friends to Villa, the Argentinians!”
Could get Messy
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 26, 2023, 03:47:43 PM
“It’s massive, the club. I’m proud of playing for Aston Villa you know. I’m really proud. I love it here. I’m trying to bring friends to Villa, the Argentinians!”
Could get Messy
we could get an Almada of players
Post by: nigel on May 07, 2023, 01:15:44 PM
My mate runs a charity for Glioblastoma (brain cancer) and has an event coming up.
He has managed to get a signed top by our worlds number one.
They’re going to auction it off, but have no idea of what they should be looking at.
I said as he’s a World Cup winner and considered the best in the world it could be worth a fair amount to the right person.
My question is: Does any have any idea of what it could go for?
Or, if you were bidding what would be your limit?
Thanks in advance
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 07, 2023, 01:42:07 PM
https://www.a1sportingmemorabilia.co.uk/emiliano-martinez-signed-aston-villa-shirt-2022-23-64235.html
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 07, 2023, 01:44:31 PM
(https://www.a1sportingmemorabilia.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/9cc18b80a162a1c5708cb272aef20ab7/s/t/steven-gerrard-signed-aston-villa-number-1-shirt.jpg)
Post by: OCD on May 07, 2023, 02:35:57 PM
Post by: nigel on May 07, 2023, 03:42:34 PM
A big thing will be if there's proof it's a genuine Emi signature. The price for this one includes solid proof it's all legit but may help as a rough guide.
https://www.a1sportingmemorabilia.co.uk/emiliano-martinez-signed-aston-villa-shirt-2022-23-64235.html
That’s brilliant, PWS.
I don’t doubt it’s genuine. To be honest , I think my mate would have sourced that information
Thanks
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 07, 2023, 08:40:56 PM
Quick question,
My mate runs a charity for Glioblastoma (brain cancer) and has an event coming up.
He has managed to get a signed top by our worlds number one.
They’re going to auction it off, but have no idea of what they should be looking at.
I said as he’s a World Cup winner and considered the best in the world it could be worth a fair amount to the right person.
My question is: Does any have any idea of what it could go for?
Have you asked Elliott?
Post by: nigel on May 07, 2023, 09:27:34 PM
Quick question,
My mate runs a charity for Glioblastoma (brain cancer) and has an event coming up.
He has managed to get a signed top by our worlds number one.
They’re going to auction it off, but have no idea of what they should be looking at.
I said as he’s a World Cup winner and considered the best in the world it could be worth a fair amount to the right person.
My question is: Does any have any idea of what it could go for?
Have you asked Elliott?
Who’s Elliott, bud?
Post by: Drummond on May 08, 2023, 10:44:07 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/YkLQ54P/Screenshot-20230508-104156-Twitter.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YkLQ54P)
Post by: Goldenballs on May 08, 2023, 10:48:24 AM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on May 08, 2023, 11:58:12 AM
Quick question,I'm not an expert, but you might do better for the charity if you sell raffle tickets - e.g., 50 tickets at a tenner nets £500 (obviously).
My mate runs a charity for Glioblastoma (brain cancer) and has an event coming up.
He has managed to get a signed top by our worlds number one.
They’re going to auction it off, but have no idea of what they should be looking at.
I said as he’s a World Cup winner and considered the best in the world it could be worth a fair amount to the right person.
My question is: Does any have any idea of what it could go for?
Or, if you were bidding what would be your limit?
Thanks in advance
I imagine more people might be happy to chip in a few quid for charity with the chance of winning something, than spending hundreds to be certain to secure an item. Good luck whatever.
Post by: Drummond on May 08, 2023, 12:00:46 PM
I can see Man Utd coming in for him.
You need to go to Specsavers.
Post by: nigel on May 08, 2023, 12:30:34 PM
Quick question,I'm not an expert, but you might do better for the charity if you sell raffle tickets - e.g., 50 tickets at a tenner nets £500 (obviously).
My mate runs a charity for Glioblastoma (brain cancer) and has an event coming up.
He has managed to get a signed top by our worlds number one.
They’re going to auction it off, but have no idea of what they should be looking at.
I said as he’s a World Cup winner and considered the best in the world it could be worth a fair amount to the right person.
My question is: Does any have any idea of what it could go for?
Or, if you were bidding what would be your limit?
Thanks in advance
I imagine more people might be happy to chip in a few quid for charity with the chance of winning something, than spending hundreds to be certain to secure an item. Good luck whatever.
Cheers, mate, fair idea 👍
Post by: chrisw1 on May 12, 2023, 12:29:37 PM
I don't see any reason why we would contemplate selling him this window and tbh with the likely progress we will make in the summer I'm not convinced he would push to go.
Lot's of people saying cash in and get the next big thing. People quickly forget how hard it is to get a great keeper. We've spent millions on three international keepers who were all shite. Arsenal are making do with Ramsdale, Chelsea have spent over £100m and still aren't happy, Spurs have kept a past it Lloris for two years too long. You can't just find a great replacement. It doesn't work like that with keepers.
<edit> I see this is being discussed in the transfers thread
Post by: OCD on May 12, 2023, 12:33:53 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 12, 2023, 12:38:09 PM
Post by: Drummond on May 12, 2023, 12:50:46 PM
There's only one rumour, one which is at odds with almost every word uttered by the man himself since he lifted the World Cup. But as is often the case these days it's being repeated and amplified by just about anybody with thumbs.
Absolutely. It's all absolute bollocks if you ask me.
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 12, 2023, 03:10:09 PM
Personally I think it all boils down to this;
If there’s no buyout clause in his contract, he’s staying.
If there is one, he’s probably off.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 12, 2023, 03:15:05 PM
I’m already getting flashbacks to the Grealish saga of two years ago with everyone convincing themselves he’s going nowhere.
Personally I think it all boils down to this;
If there’s no buyout clause in his contract, he’s staying.
If there is one, he’s probably off.
Sadly I think I agree with that. Seen some lowball numbers mooted in the press, but I do think if there is a clause it will quite a high number.
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 12, 2023, 04:06:21 PM
I’m already getting flashbacks to the Grealish saga of two years ago with everyone convincing themselves he’s going nowhere.
Personally I think it all boils down to this;
If there’s no buyout clause in his contract, he’s staying.
If there is one, he’s probably off.
Sadly I think I agree with that. Seen some lowball numbers mooted in the press, but I do think if there is a clause it will quite a high number.
Hopefully, but don’t forget any clause would have been agreed when he renewed his contract, quite a while before he became a World Cup winner. So it could be way below what we would currently value him at.
Post by: Dave on May 12, 2023, 04:11:01 PM
I’m already getting flashbacks to the Grealish saga of two years ago with everyone convincing themselves he’s going nowhere.
Personally I think it all boils down to this;
If there’s no buyout clause in his contract, he’s staying.
If there is one, he’s probably off.
Sadly I think I agree with that. Seen some lowball numbers mooted in the press, but I do think if there is a clause it will quite a high number.
Hopefully, but don’t forget any clause would have been agreed when he renewed his contract, quite a while before he became a World Cup winner. So it could be way below what we would currently value him at.
I don't think the club see him as any better a goalkeeper due to the World Cup win. He was pretty at much as high as expectations can get for the people that matter at the time he signed his last deal.
It's only the rest of the world that caught up in December.
Post by: Stu on May 12, 2023, 04:32:44 PM
Post by: Risso on May 12, 2023, 04:55:26 PM
Post by: malckennedy on May 12, 2023, 04:57:59 PM
If he goes, which he may well do, I can’t see him going to spuds. Arguably not much of a step up from us.
Agree he won’t go to Spurs. Not any kind of step up from us.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 12, 2023, 04:59:01 PM
Post by: Dave on May 12, 2023, 05:04:02 PM
And they can’t afford him.
They might hypothetically be able to when they bank £100m for Kane in the summer.
But you'd think that spending 80% of that on a goalkeeper probably shouldn't be their top priority.
Post by: frank black on May 12, 2023, 05:04:28 PM
I can't see there being a buyout clause in a contract agreed shortly after we had been burned by Jack.
Agreed. Also it wasn’t like Emi was in the verge of leaving like Grealish was either. We had to give Grealish what he wanted or he was off.
Post by: john e on May 12, 2023, 06:37:03 PM
Post by: Bad English on May 12, 2023, 08:10:44 PM
Post by: wince on May 12, 2023, 09:40:32 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on May 12, 2023, 11:26:19 PM
Post by: Beard82 on May 12, 2023, 11:37:55 PM
The rumours are ramping up about him wanting to leave in the summer. It's all over Twitter.No idea about the truth of the original statement. But it’s not ramping up - it’s just getting shared. The viral nature of it is Thursday rumour has been multiplied via resharing
I don't see any reason why we would contemplate selling him this window and tbh with the likely progress we will make in the summer I'm not convinced he would push to go.
Lot's of people saying cash in and get the next big thing. People quickly forget how hard it is to get a great keeper. We've spent millions on three international keepers who were all shite. Arsenal are making do with Ramsdale, Chelsea have spent over £100m and still aren't happy, Spurs have kept a past it Lloris for two years too long. You can't just find a great replacement. It doesn't work like that with keepers.
<edit> I see this is being discussed in the transfers thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 13, 2023, 10:54:32 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 11:05:27 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2023, 11:07:11 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 13, 2023, 11:17:00 AM
Post by: frank black on May 13, 2023, 11:21:22 AM
How exactly are we going to improve by selling players who are far and away better than anyone who could replace them? Why are we even talking about it?
Absolutely, it’s just media noise. He’s staying and becoming legendary
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 13, 2023, 11:40:59 AM
Post by: algy on May 13, 2023, 04:53:17 PM
How exactly are we going to improve by selling players who are far and away better than anyone who could replace them? Why are we even talking about it?Well what you do is you spend the money on 3 players who combined add in everyt..... erm
Post by: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 05:26:15 PM
Long live Dibu 🇦🇷
Post by: LukeJames on May 13, 2023, 08:27:37 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 03:17:55 PM
And also does Martinez really want to stay.
These are the key questions which will be answered over time.
Post by: Drummond on May 15, 2023, 03:21:08 PM
I wonder if Emery does really want Martinez?
And also does Martinez really want to stay.
These are the key questions which will be answered over time.
Well they both speak Spanish. Martinez is the best. Martinez loves it at Villa. Emery is ambitious. Martinez is part of the best defence around.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 15, 2023, 03:25:24 PM
And also what time will be dinner.
These are the key questions which will be answered over time.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 05:02:23 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 15, 2023, 05:17:06 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 15, 2023, 05:57:57 PM
Oh God. It was nice while it lasted.
I hope you're not referring to Emi's imminent departure. :(
I didn't expect the key questions to be answered so quickly.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 15, 2023, 06:54:40 PM
Oh God. It was nice while it lasted.
I hope you're not referring to Emi's imminent departure. :(
I didn't expect the key questions to be answered so quickly.
No, I’m not.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2023, 03:19:45 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1663172337900871680?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 29, 2023, 03:30:50 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2023, 03:32:22 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 29, 2023, 03:34:26 PM
Definitely sounded like he wants to leave.Love it.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 29, 2023, 03:37:35 PM
Post by: Smirker on May 29, 2023, 03:42:04 PM
Best in the world.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2023, 03:42:40 PM
I will donate my right bollock to science if he leaves this summer. It just isn't happening.
Is there something special about your right bollock that science and society would benefit from? And merely out of curiosity, why your right and not your left.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 29, 2023, 03:43:05 PM
I will donate my right bollock to science if he leaves this summer. It just isn't happening.Science says no thanks 😊
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 29, 2023, 03:45:49 PM
I will donate my right bollock to science if he leaves this summer. It just isn't happening.
Is there something special about your right bollock that science and society would benefit from? And merely out of curiosity, why your right and not your left.
Always hurts for some reason and is incredibly sensitive, I know they are meant to be but significantly more than my left. I had scans in my teens but nothing was found but I've always wanted to know. Actually he can leave, wouldn't mind losing the bollock.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 29, 2023, 03:46:35 PM
I will donate my right bollock to science if he leaves this summer. It just isn't happening.
Can we call you Adolf if you do?
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 29, 2023, 03:49:09 PM
I will donate my right bollock to science if he leaves this summer. It just isn't happening.
Can we call you Adolf if you do?
I'll sort out my facial hair. Ginger Adolf. Not sure he liked gingers, I'll ask Diane Abbott.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 29, 2023, 03:51:33 PM
I will donate my right bollock to science if he leaves this summer. It just isn't happening.
Can we call you Adolf if you do?
I'll sort out my facial hair. Ginger Adolf. Not sure he liked gingers, I'll ask Diane Abbott.
Good lad, and thank God he never invaded Ireland then.
Post by: Dogtanian on May 29, 2023, 04:16:54 PM
I will donate my right bollock to science if he leaves this summer. It just isn't happening.
Is there something special about your right bollock that science and society would benefit from? And merely out of curiosity, why your right and not your left.
Always hurts for some reason and is incredibly sensitive, I know they are meant to be but significantly more than my left. I had scans in my teens but nothing was found but I've always wanted to know. Actually he can leave, wouldn't mind losing the bollock.
I have the same, but with my left. Nothing quite prepares you for having ur sack slathered in jelly for an ultrasound, does it?
Post by: Smirker on May 29, 2023, 04:31:38 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 29, 2023, 04:33:52 PM
I will donate my right bollock to science if he leaves this summer. It just isn't happening.
Is there something special about your right bollock that science and society would benefit from? And merely out of curiosity, why your right and not your left.
Always hurts for some reason and is incredibly sensitive, I know they are meant to be but significantly more than my left. I had scans in my teens but nothing was found but I've always wanted to know. Actually he can leave, wouldn't mind losing the bollock.
I have the same, but with my left. Nothing quite prepares you for having ur sack slathered in jelly for an ultrasound, does it?
Haha, nah. Bloody cold as well! I'm glad it was Moby doing the scan though and not someone attractive.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 29, 2023, 04:34:33 PM
I too have a sensitive left testicle. Had tests as I once feared something was wrong but no.
We need a support group.
Post by: Dogtanian on May 29, 2023, 04:36:11 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 29, 2023, 04:39:10 PM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 29, 2023, 04:47:20 PM
Literally bollocks.
Post by: Dogtanian on May 29, 2023, 04:48:34 PM
I was expecting some good news on this thread, and what I found was a whole load of bollocks.
Literally bollocks.
And dodgy ones, too.
Post by: KevinGage on May 29, 2023, 04:54:51 PM
Certainly compared to daft notions Olsen was going to replace Emi long term and all that carry on.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2023, 05:34:22 PM
Why wasn't Martinez asked about his bollocks on the pitch yesterday?
They are there for all to see. No questions to ask. Fucking massive and proudly on display
Post by: UK Redsox on May 29, 2023, 05:43:40 PM
I too have a sensitive left testicle. Had tests as I once feared something was wrong but no.
Had to have mine looked at last year by my Doc from Malawi
African Bollock Checker
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2023, 05:44:07 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 29, 2023, 05:47:26 PM
The quality of posts has recently improved, as far as I can see.
Not for me, I haven't noticed a vas deferens.
Post by: dave shelley on May 29, 2023, 06:17:21 PM
I too have a sensitive left testicle. Had tests as I once feared something was wrong but no.
Sounds like a condition called variocele, a heap of varicose veins that collect in the spermatic cord.
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 29, 2023, 06:19:51 PM
The quality of posts has recently improved, as far as I can see.
Not for me, I haven't noticed a vas deferens.
Bravo Sir.
Post by: OCD on May 29, 2023, 06:40:30 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 29, 2023, 07:50:39 PM
The quality of posts has recently improved, as far as I can see.
Not for me, I haven't noticed a vas deferens.
Bravo Sir.
Had to Google it but that is admittedly impressive.
Post by: Vegas on May 29, 2023, 07:54:32 PM
The quality of posts has recently improved, as far as I can see.
Not for me, I haven't noticed a vas deferens.
Hats off. A brilliant visit.
Bravo Sir.
Post by: olaftab on May 29, 2023, 08:31:02 PM
I wish you would all stop talking bollocks!Cum cum sir, that’s a cheap shot.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 04, 2023, 12:18:14 AM
Not one for wearing football shirts but I will return to BA with a Villa Martinez shirt. After Messi they realise he is very, very special. The murals around the city say it all.
He's a born leader and winner. He's going nowhere other than up the steps to pick up his winners medal with the Villa.
Post by: CT Villan on June 04, 2023, 02:11:13 AM
Post by: Risso on June 04, 2023, 09:02:43 AM
Post by: Clampy on June 04, 2023, 09:08:09 AM
The whole world and his dog seems to be saying how shit David de Gea is, and I can't help worrying that they'll have a beady eye on Emi as a replacement.
Why, is he leaving?
Post by: dekko on June 04, 2023, 09:08:57 AM
The whole world and his dog seems to be saying how shit David de Gea is, and I can't help worrying that they'll have a beady eye on Emi as a replacement.
I would if I was them.
Post by: Drummond on June 04, 2023, 09:10:08 AM
The whole world and his dog seems to be saying how shit David de Gea is, and I can't help worrying that they'll have a beady eye on Emi as a replacement.
Why, is he leaving?
Who?
Post by: Clampy on June 04, 2023, 09:13:01 AM
The whole world and his dog seems to be saying how shit David de Gea is, and I can't help worrying that they'll have a beady eye on Emi as a replacement.
Why, is he leaving?
Who?
Ha, read it totally wrong. My bad as the kids say.
Post by: OCD on June 04, 2023, 01:25:19 PM
Post by: Matt C on June 05, 2023, 01:32:14 AM
Post by: dcdavecollett on June 05, 2023, 01:35:56 AM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 03:16:34 AM
The whole world and his dog seems to be saying how shit David de Gea is, and I can't help worrying that they'll have a beady eye on Emi as a replacement.
I worry about that too. But seems they want to blow their wad on Mason Mount and offer De Gea a new contract. Thank god for idiots.
Post by: john e on June 05, 2023, 11:07:25 AM
The whole world and his dog seems to be saying how shit David de Gea is, and I can't help worrying that they'll have a beady eye on Emi as a replacement.
I worry about that too. But seems they want to blow their wad on Mason Mount and offer De Gea a new contract. Thank god for idiots.
Have to say, although Mason Mount hasn’t had a good season I think he’s a decent player and unfortunately will be a good signing for Man United giving them legs, goals, and a bit of technique
I think the reason Mount gets a lot of stick is simply down to the way Southgate has favoured him and he looks like the teachers pet
But in fairness he is a tricky little player
Post by: Dave on June 05, 2023, 11:17:50 AM
The whole world and his dog seems to be saying how shit David de Gea is, and I can't help worrying that they'll have a beady eye on Emi as a replacement.
I worry about that too. But seems they want to blow their wad on Mason Mount and offer De Gea a new contract. Thank god for idiots.
They've spent the thick end of £400m over the last two seasons. £50m on Mount isn't "blowing their wad".
Post by: OCD on June 05, 2023, 11:38:10 AM
Post by: not3bad on June 05, 2023, 12:09:06 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on June 05, 2023, 12:12:21 PM
The whole world and his dog seems to be saying how shit David de Gea is, and I can't help worrying that they'll have a beady eye on Emi as a replacement.
Hasn't he just had the highest number of clean sheets in the Prem?
Or did I dream that?
Post by: rob_bridge on June 05, 2023, 12:58:51 PM
The whole world and his dog seems to be saying how shit David de Gea is, and I can't help worrying that they'll have a beady eye on Emi as a replacement.
Hasn't he just had the highest number of clean sheets in the Prem?
Or did I dream that?
He did
He is just more error prone in recent years.
That said he must have on average been worth a position or 2 considering the duff managers they had post Ferguson.
Then again he has been on best part of 300k per week so maybe a cut is in order
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 05, 2023, 12:58:53 PM
Post by: Dave on June 05, 2023, 01:01:11 PM
It's still a lot for a player with a year left on his contract and who's had limited appearances last season.
Sure. But it's not a reason they couldn't afford Martinez if they wanted him.
Post by: olaftab on June 05, 2023, 01:18:21 PM
Some of the internet news outlets are now reporting he ridiculous possibility that Emiliano Martinez may opt to stay at Aston Villa after all.No, it'll never happen. Surely he want top six and Chelse...oh ok top 12.
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 08, 2023, 01:18:21 PM
Fucking jokers
Post by: Chap on June 09, 2023, 07:36:01 AM
Post by: Clampy on June 09, 2023, 07:24:28 PM
Post by: Bad English on June 09, 2023, 07:27:08 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 09, 2023, 07:43:12 PM
Appointed Member of the Official Council of Timewasters.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 09, 2023, 07:44:47 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2023, 07:51:08 PM
The club Twitter account has just tweeted about 6 pictures of Emi in the space of a few minutes. Whats occuring I wonder?
What else are you gonna do on a Friday? Sit in your fuckin' armchair wankin' off to Pop Idols? Then try and avoid your wife's gaze as you struggle to come to terms with your sexless marriage? Then go and spunk your wages on kebabs, fruit machines and brasses? Fuck that for a laugh! I'd rather post pictures of Emi Martinez.
Post by: mrfuse on June 09, 2023, 07:57:06 PM
The club Twitter account has just tweeted about 6 pictures of Emi in the space of a few minutes. Whats occuring I wonder?
What else are you gonna do on a Friday? Sit in your fuckin' armchair wankin' off to Pop Idols? Then try and avoid your wife's gaze as you struggle to come to terms with your sexless marriage? Then go and spunk your wages on kebabs, fruit machines and brasses? Fuck that for a laugh! I'd rather post pictures of Emi Martinez.
Rather specific ha-ha.
Post by: Risso on June 09, 2023, 08:13:30 PM
The club Twitter account has just tweeted about 6 pictures of Emi in the space of a few minutes. Whats occuring I wonder?
What else are you gonna do on a Friday? Sit in your fuckin' armchair wankin' off to Pop Idols? Then try and avoid your wife's gaze as you struggle to come to terms with your sexless marriage? Then go and spunk your wages on kebabs, fruit machines and brasses? Fuck that for a laugh! I'd rather post pictures of Emi Martinez.
Rather specific ha-ha.
Football Factory
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 10, 2023, 12:06:54 PM
Well, if you put it that way ;)The club Twitter account has just tweeted about 6 pictures of Emi in the space of a few minutes. Whats occuring I wonder?
What else are you gonna do on a Friday? Sit in your fuckin' armchair wankin' off to Pop Idols? Then try and avoid your wife's gaze as you struggle to come to terms with your sexless marriage? Then go and spunk your wages on kebabs, fruit machines and brasses? Fuck that for a laugh! I'd rather post pictures of Emi Martinez.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 10, 2023, 12:12:35 PM
What else are you gonna do on a Friday? Sit in your fuckin' armchair wankin' off to Pop Idols?
Michelle McManus doesn't do it for me either.
Post by: Smirker on June 10, 2023, 02:49:44 PM
What else are you gonna do on a Friday? Sit in your fuckin' armchair wankin' off to Pop Idols?
Michelle McManus doesn't do it for me either.
😂😂😂
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 10, 2023, 04:06:54 PM
I've done worseWhat else are you gonna do on a Friday? Sit in your fuckin' armchair wankin' off to Pop Idols?
Michelle McManus doesn't do it for me either.
Post by: tomd2103 on June 13, 2023, 01:55:45 AM
Spurs are being advised to buy Martinez as a replacement for Hugo Dropalot by a list of ex (bang average) players
Fucking jokers
Why would he go there? They have taken a Nuno sized risk appointing Postecoglou and if they lose Kane this summer as well then it's fair to surmise that they will struggle again next season.
Still, they've got NFL at their new ground though.
Post by: manic-road on June 13, 2023, 07:40:23 AM
Spurs are being advised to buy Martinez as a replacement for Hugo Dropalot by a list of ex (bang average) players
Fucking jokers
Why would he go there? They have taken a Nuno sized risk appointing Postecoglou and if they lose Kane this summer as well then it's fair to surmise that they will struggle again next season.
Still, they've got NFL at their new ground though.
He also spent 10 years at Arsenal, if he leaves Villa he will go to a far bigger club than Spurzzz
Post by: The Man With A Stick on June 13, 2023, 01:46:31 PM
Spurs are being advised to buy Martinez as a replacement for Hugo Dropalot by a list of ex (bang average) players
Fucking jokers
Why would he go there? They have taken a Nuno sized risk appointing Postecoglou and if they lose Kane this summer as well then it's fair to surmise that they will struggle again next season.
Still, they've got NFL at their new ground though.
And Beyonce, a well-stocked cheese room, plus you can do bungee jumps off the roof or something. Who could resist the lure of Tottingham?
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 21, 2023, 01:41:24 PM
We know how good he is but how many points did he save us last season
Never ever sell him - ever
Post by: Villatillidie25 on June 21, 2023, 02:03:10 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2023, 02:07:54 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on June 21, 2023, 02:12:27 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 21, 2023, 03:14:21 PM
He's utterly superb. Also, this doesn't include all the one on one saves he made where there was a late offside flag nor his clearances where he came out his box to beat a player through on goal to the ball.
We know how good he is but how many points did he save us last season
Never ever sell him - ever
It's got to the stage now when I'm beginning to expect him to save one on ones, which is very reassuring with our high line.
I've said many times a great team needs a great keeper. We have ours, it would be madness to let him go.
Post by: john e on June 21, 2023, 11:37:26 PM
Let’s hope others can attain that level in the coming seasons, He is definitely already there
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 06, 2023, 08:28:07 PM
https://twitter.com/emimartinezz1/status/1676812936898117633?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 06, 2023, 09:09:35 PM
He's utterly superb. Also, this doesn't include all the one on one saves he made where there was a late offside flag nor his clearances where he came out his box to beat a player through on goal to the ball.
We know how good he is but how many points did he save us last season
Never ever sell him - ever
It's got to the stage now when I'm beginning to expect him to save one on ones, which is very reassuring with our high line.
I've said many times a great team needs a great keeper. We have ours, it would be madness to let him go.
When’s the last time you really worried about an opposition corner, im really worried. He’s the best keeper we’ve ever had and a great character to boot.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 07, 2023, 12:45:33 AM
Even India loves Emi Martinez
https://twitter.com/emimartinezz1/status/1676812936898117633?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
I've been following the reports of his tour. What a man! What a mad man! I think we may have a few new fans come the beginning of the season. It will be interesting to observe as for me, we've been the last (along with Newcastle) of the 'big clubs' that have a traditional support. Something I've loved and something that has kept my Villa roots pure. I've always said, the best thing of any Villa goal is watching the fans celebrate. Interesting times..
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 07, 2023, 01:42:55 AM
Post by: nigel on July 07, 2023, 07:46:49 AM
Even India loves Emi Martinez
https://twitter.com/emimartinezz1/status/1676812936898117633?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Why was he over there, mate?
Post by: Somniloquism on July 07, 2023, 09:53:54 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2023, 06:16:03 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/rdwQC7w/IMG-7881.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rdwQC7w)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 06:22:35 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 22, 2023, 11:46:21 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on July 23, 2023, 12:40:18 AM
Post by: purpletrousers on July 23, 2023, 01:43:22 AM
He’s magnificent. Mad as a box of frogs and he loves the club. We need to continue to prove to him as a supporter base and most importantly as a club that we should be his future. In the next 2-3 years get ourselves into the CL. He’s only 30 so lots of years ahead him in his prime.
The more ‘statement’ the signing, the more confident I am Emi will stay/loyal.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 23, 2023, 01:47:24 AM
The fans in Philly serenading him with "He's got the World Cup in his hands" is quite amusing. Emi seemed to like it.
So he should. The Holte should have been singing "The World's Number One.. Emi Martinez..The World's Number One" but as Brummies we don't like to brag. Shame.
Post by: Dogtanian on July 23, 2023, 08:21:02 AM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 24, 2023, 08:26:21 PM
Lolz
https://www.football365.com/news/inter-laughable-bid-rejected-aston-villa-contact-made-emiliano-martinez?fbclid=IwAR0EssVJVJU0vKt7eKh2KnQnBcfr_RNZvV1GmMzfqdMmBndDeMikcSY9LN8_aem_AeO7eSGC5FSyMxkcqUd-r1IubnMDZOGhNTsPuwfXES_bnFvw8Uol_JIt9OwIryHr36M
Post by: Monty on July 24, 2023, 08:27:32 PM
Some nonsense internet talk of Inter Milan bidding €15m for Emi
Lolz
https://www.football365.com/news/inter-laughable-bid-rejected-aston-villa-contact-made-emiliano-martinez?fbclid=IwAR0EssVJVJU0vKt7eKh2KnQnBcfr_RNZvV1GmMzfqdMmBndDeMikcSY9LN8_aem_AeO7eSGC5FSyMxkcqUd-r1IubnMDZOGhNTsPuwfXES_bnFvw8Uol_JIt9OwIryHr36M
Is it...do they...do they think it's 1999?
Post by: Smirker on July 24, 2023, 08:49:47 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on July 24, 2023, 08:56:15 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on July 24, 2023, 08:56:38 PM
€15m 😂
Emi wouldn’t even thrust gratuitously at them for that.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2023, 10:02:39 PM
Post by: Lescottstweets on July 25, 2023, 10:28:40 AM
Some nonsense internet talk of Inter Milan bidding €15m for Emi
Lolz
https://www.football365.com/news/inter-laughable-bid-rejected-aston-villa-contact-made-emiliano-martinez?fbclid=IwAR0EssVJVJU0vKt7eKh2KnQnBcfr_RNZvV1GmMzfqdMmBndDeMikcSY9LN8_aem_AeO7eSGC5FSyMxkcqUd-r1IubnMDZOGhNTsPuwfXES_bnFvw8Uol_JIt9OwIryHr36M
I hope the faxed response was a laughing face emoji
Post by: VillaTim on July 25, 2023, 11:17:44 AM
€15m 😂i think they missed a 0 off
Post by: Simon Page on July 25, 2023, 12:14:29 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/66267688 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/66267688)
There must surely be a point where obsession turns to shame.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 25, 2023, 12:33:19 PM
Post by: Drummond on July 25, 2023, 12:35:40 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 25, 2023, 12:39:04 PM
Post by: Dr Butler on July 25, 2023, 12:46:22 PM
€15m 😂i think they missed a 0 off
or a 1 at the end
UTV
The Doc
Post by: TheMalandro on July 25, 2023, 01:06:29 PM
Hilarious!
Post by: VillaTim on July 25, 2023, 01:35:11 PM
A new article says that they want him as backup!It's obviously some sort of wind up attempt
Hilarious!
Post by: darren woolley on July 25, 2023, 02:22:01 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 25, 2023, 02:22:58 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 25, 2023, 02:36:06 PM
My theory is the Italians just seem to use Aston Villa a lot as a recognised name.
They're still sore after losing the penalty shootout.
Post by: Monty on July 25, 2023, 03:48:35 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 25, 2023, 05:34:10 PM
They must think the general populace are morons...................... oh hang on Big Brother, Love Island, TOWIE - if their target audience is 18 - 30 year olds they may have a point ::)
Post by: Dogtanian on July 25, 2023, 06:12:55 PM
Post by: Bad English on July 25, 2023, 06:31:04 PM
Italians love the name 'Aston Villa'. They love 'Aston', because James Bond, and they love 'Villa' because, well, who doesn't love a Villa?And of course it's literallyTM an Italian word too.
Post by: Border villan on July 25, 2023, 07:27:26 PM
Italians love the name 'Aston Villa'. They love 'Aston', because James Bond, and they love 'Villa' because, well, who doesn't love a Villa?And of course it's literallyTM an Italian word too.
What, Aston?
Post by: Beard82 on July 25, 2023, 08:06:12 PM
No, I think its because the "Th3" Villa, "The" is Italian for "tea"Italians love the name 'Aston Villa'. They love 'Aston', because James Bond, and they love 'Villa' because, well, who doesn't love a Villa?And of course it's literallyTM an Italian word too.
What, Aston?
Maybe
Post by: Monty on August 10, 2023, 01:12:59 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 01:29:09 PM
Well, an Emi suffers a bad ligament injury, and will another put our having the other in jeopardy? Thibaut Courtois is injured, and Real Madrid are one of very, very few teams I'd actually worry about coming for Martinez.
You had to do it didn’t you.
Post by: Monty on August 10, 2023, 01:34:13 PM
Well, an Emi suffers a bad ligament injury, and will another put our having the other in jeopardy? Thibaut Courtois is injured, and Real Madrid are one of very, very few teams I'd actually worry about coming for Martinez.
You had to do it didn’t you.
Ha! That used to be the issue when he was a secret, but I don't think he is anymore. Hopefully they'll just do what they always do and sign Keylor Navas again.
Wonder if David Raya is kicking himself.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 01:35:55 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 10, 2023, 01:38:53 PM
Our billionaire owners want to push for top 4. If this was 6 weeks ago when we could have gone and got Raya or similar there may have been a tiny chance we'd look at it. But not now.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 01:54:17 PM
Of course…this was yesterday…just sayin’
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 03:56:17 PM
Post by: AV84 on August 10, 2023, 04:01:22 PM
Looks like David De Gea might be headed there which is an obvious choice given he’s available as a free agent.
Is that what they call failing upwards?
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 04:03:30 PM
Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2023, 05:39:37 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 11, 2023, 06:50:16 AM
Post by: Monty on August 11, 2023, 10:05:25 AM
Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2023, 10:46:47 AM
Seems like Real Madrid want to sign instead, not joking, Bono.
To be their number One?
Post by: OCD on August 11, 2023, 11:05:02 AM
Post by: Drummond on August 12, 2023, 01:55:08 PM
Seems like Real Madrid want to sign instead, not joking, Bono.
To be their number One?
Not you too.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 20, 2023, 04:24:21 PM
Post by: KevinGage on August 25, 2023, 06:48:47 PM
Yikes.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 25, 2023, 07:04:52 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 25, 2023, 07:11:42 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 25, 2023, 07:12:35 PM
Our injury issue is becoming a serious problem.
And it's going to be magnified by playing so many more games this season.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 25, 2023, 07:25:10 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 25, 2023, 10:40:30 PM
Post by: AV84 on August 26, 2023, 12:10:56 AM
Post by: danno on August 26, 2023, 12:14:20 AM
He’s put a picture on Instagram of his calf strapped up with an ice pack on it.
Cruel of him to mess with Robin like this.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 26, 2023, 10:24:55 AM
However I’ve got full confidence in Olsen…..
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 26, 2023, 10:28:35 AM
Post by: paul_e on August 26, 2023, 10:43:18 AM
The calf is a muscle you don't notice how much you use. I had a small tear in my calf a few years ago and it took weeks to heal properly because it is virtually impossible to not flex it when trying to walk.
Yep, I did mine in early July and it's still not fully recovered.
Post by: dave shelley on August 26, 2023, 12:31:36 PM
Post by: Mister E on August 26, 2023, 01:16:10 PM
The calf is a muscle you don't notice how much you use. I had a small tear in my calf a few years ago and it took weeks to heal properly because it is virtually impossible to not flex it when trying to walk.I've torn my calf twice while skiing. It's very painful and takes weeks to recover
Post by: Nastylee on August 28, 2023, 10:07:31 AM
Post by: Clampy on August 28, 2023, 10:09:39 AM
Was in the car listening to Talksport as the teams were announced. Obviously, Emi missing. Barry Glendenning, the Irish chappy, asks if he's been dropped. He's told it's down to injury then comments he 'wouldn't have been surprised if Martinez had been dropped to be honest.' Am I missing something?
Didn't he post a picture on Twitter (sorry Elon, X) with an ice pack on his calf?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 28, 2023, 10:14:25 AM
Anyway, I’d suggest he is closer to a wind-up/ emotional pundit rather than a guy that looks deep into the stats. His eye test is probably limited to the post World Cup shenanigans.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2023, 07:38:17 PM
Was in the car listening to Talksport as the teams were announced. Obviously, Emi missing. Barry Glendenning, the Irish chappy, asks if he's been dropped. He's told it's down to injury then comments he 'wouldn't have been surprised if Martinez had been dropped to be honest.' Am I missing something?
Probably just that Glendenning is absolutely clueless.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 04:02:26 PM
Post by: john e on September 01, 2023, 04:24:47 PM
Emery on Emi Martínez: “He trained this morning. Tomorrow is the last training [before Liverpool] which will be important if he is going to be available or not. Hopefully, yes.”
Hope so, we have zero chance of a result without him
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 01, 2023, 04:44:30 PM
and a boring twatWas in the car listening to Talksport as the teams were announced. Obviously, Emi missing. Barry Glendenning, the Irish chappy, asks if he's been dropped. He's told it's down to injury then comments he 'wouldn't have been surprised if Martinez had been dropped to be honest.' Am I missing something?
Probably just that Glendenning is absolutely clueless.
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2023, 05:14:02 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 02, 2023, 08:16:24 AM
Post by: Bad English on September 03, 2023, 09:19:38 AM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on September 03, 2023, 10:01:36 AM
Glendenning's a gobshite and a BUFFALO to boot (Big Ugly Fucker From Areas of Laois or Offaly).
I will inform my Mom, Dad cousins, aunts and uncles who are all from Laois - Offaly, they will be happy to hear this!
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 03, 2023, 10:48:17 AM
Glendenning's a gobshite and a BUFFALO to boot (Big Ugly Fucker From Areas of Laois or Offaly).
I will inform my Mom, Dad cousins, aunts and uncles who are all from Laois - Offaly, they will be happy to hear this!
I used to like eamonn.
Post by: Dave P on September 06, 2023, 08:16:18 PM
Post by: Beard82 on September 06, 2023, 08:18:16 PM
Our Emi nominated for the Ballon D’Or and the Yashin award. A proud moment. Have we ever had a Ballon D’Or nominee?Nyland?
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 06, 2023, 08:20:12 PM
Our Emi nominated for the Ballon D’Or and the Yashin award. A proud moment. Have we ever had a Ballon D’Or nominee?
Not since Warren Aspinall
Post by: Pete3206 on September 06, 2023, 08:21:01 PM
Post by: AV84 on September 06, 2023, 08:23:19 PM
Post by: Ads on September 06, 2023, 08:26:20 PM
Post by: AV84 on September 06, 2023, 08:30:10 PM
Post by: Dave on September 06, 2023, 08:33:17 PM
Our Emi nominated for the Ballon D’Or and the Yashin award. A proud moment. Have we ever had a Ballon D’Or nominee?
Rachel Daly ninety minutes earlier?
(sorry)
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 13, 2023, 01:17:31 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 16, 2023, 05:33:43 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 16, 2023, 05:36:46 PM
Post by: Smirker on September 16, 2023, 05:42:24 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 16, 2023, 05:47:05 PM
I want him to cuddle me to sleep at night. Then I will feel safe.
😂
Post by: OCD on September 16, 2023, 05:48:32 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 16, 2023, 05:55:34 PM
I want him to cuddle me to sleep at night. Then I will feel safe.
😂
He won’t drop his baby
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 16, 2023, 05:58:33 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on September 21, 2023, 07:51:20 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 21, 2023, 07:54:13 PM
If ever a thread title needed changing this is it,
No it doesn’t.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 21, 2023, 07:57:08 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 21, 2023, 08:28:26 PM
He's not on his top form but he's still better than just about every other keeper out there. It would him to have a defence and midfield in front of him, especially away from home.
He was iffy tonight but if anyone has earned a get out of jail free card, it is Martinez.
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 21, 2023, 09:40:59 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on September 22, 2023, 12:07:06 AM
Spoiler alert: maybe one of them could have tried to close him down, with the others on cover.
Post by: AV82EC on September 22, 2023, 03:58:45 AM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on September 22, 2023, 09:37:28 AM
Post by: dcdavecollett on September 23, 2023, 12:48:37 AM
The problems were all in front of Emi for the losing goal.
Post by: Smirker on September 24, 2023, 04:40:01 PM
Best in the world.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 24, 2023, 05:14:15 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 24, 2023, 05:30:36 PM
Post by: frank black on September 24, 2023, 05:41:42 PM
Emi is so good at one v ones
Post by: LeeB on September 24, 2023, 06:34:03 PM
I think the strikers shit themselves in the one on ones when they look up and see who it is.
It's a bit of that but his angles and timing are absolutely top drawer.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on September 24, 2023, 06:56:19 PM
Post by: paul_e on September 24, 2023, 07:32:50 PM
Both keepers were impressive in todays game.
Emi is so good at one v ones
Indeed, both did their jobs superbly today, Emi got the more technical stuff to do whereas Sanchez got a few 'for the cameras'.
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 24, 2023, 07:33:24 PM
I think the strikers shit themselves in the one on ones when they look up and see who it is.Like Peter Schmichael at Man Utd mid-90s.
Post by: Monty on September 24, 2023, 07:34:21 PM
Post by: Smirker on September 24, 2023, 07:34:56 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2023, 07:37:06 PM
When did Emi last sign a contract?
He still has around 4 years on his current deal and he’s one of the best paid keepers in the world. And deserves every penny of it.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 24, 2023, 07:47:33 PM
Post by: Smirker on September 24, 2023, 07:59:05 PM
When did Emi last sign a contract?
He still has around 4 years on his current deal and he’s one of the best paid keepers in the world. And deserves every penny of it.
Lovely. Hopefully he finishes his career with us.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on September 24, 2023, 08:21:51 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 25, 2023, 01:31:57 PM
He genuinely is one of the best keepers in the world.
Post by: LeeB on September 25, 2023, 01:33:20 PM
Our high line is a high-risk strategy. Emi makes it workable because he is just so brilliant at one on ones. When I see a striker bearing down on our goal, I'm always reasonably confident Emi will save us if the offside flag doesn't.
He genuinely is one of the best keepers in the world.
Spot on Chris, he's vital to it.
He'd have saved from that Palace chump if he hadn't have slipped as well.
Post by: Drummond on September 26, 2023, 12:04:50 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 26, 2023, 12:05:58 AM
He's yet another important part of why we're joint 2nd on pints accrued in the calendar year. And he knows it too.
I thought he didn't drink alcohol.
Post by: Clampy on September 26, 2023, 08:19:34 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 26, 2023, 08:49:37 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 26, 2023, 04:03:06 PM
He's yet another important part of why we're joint 2nd on pints accrued in the calendar year. And he knows it too.
I thought he didn't drink alcohol.
We do though! I'll drink to that!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 26, 2023, 05:02:28 PM
He's yet another important part of why we're joint 2nd on pints accrued in the calendar year. And he knows it too.
Agreed, if he leaves and goes to Yanited it'll Quilmes.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 26, 2023, 05:08:29 PM
Post by: Monty on September 26, 2023, 05:09:14 PM
The problem is that, in his absinthe, we have to play Olsen
He'll still be there in spirit.
Post by: LeeB on September 26, 2023, 06:12:51 PM
The problem is that, in his absinthe, we have to play Olsen
He'll still be there in spirit.
I'm his biggest advocaat but that's not enough.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 26, 2023, 06:20:42 PM
Post by: Dave on September 26, 2023, 06:25:58 PM
He's yet another important part of why we're joint 2nd on pints accrued in the calendar year. And he knows it too.
Agreed, if he leaves and goes to Yanited it'll Quilmes.
Nah, talk of him going is just bols.
Post by: Monty on September 26, 2023, 06:37:37 PM
VODKA! What?
Chemical examination: chloride, 101.4; proteins, 36.8; sug -
Oh sorry, thought we were all copying out our blood test results.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 26, 2023, 06:44:46 PM
VODKA! What?
Chemical examination: chloride, 101.4; proteins, 36.8; sug -
Oh sorry, thought we were all copying out our blood test results.
If they copied out my blood results mate, do you know what they'd say? VILLA. Just like my tatts, my kids and my holiday home in Spain.
Post by: Monty on September 26, 2023, 06:52:34 PM
VODKA! What?
Chemical examination: chloride, 101.4; proteins, 36.8; sug -
Oh sorry, thought we were all copying out our blood test results.
If they copied out my blood results mate, do you know what they'd say? VILLA. Just like my tatts, my kids and my holiday home in Spain.
Pal, I literally BLEED claret and wait fuck what the fuck is that
Post by: Louzie0 on September 27, 2023, 06:10:31 PM
I love him.Join the queue
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 13, 2023, 03:03:13 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 14, 2023, 11:25:10 AM
Another clean sheet for Emi vs Paraguay tonight in a 1-0 win. That’s 622 minutes since he conceded his last goal at the WC (Mbappe). This sets a new record for his country.
Fantastic to hear!
And with a good run of fixtures for Villa coming up there's a high chance he'll be having several shut outs. Think can see a few clean sheets incoming matches.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 18, 2023, 06:38:58 AM
As for the goals…well you know who caused all the damage
1-0
https://x.com/wearemessi/status/1714470178480943506?s=61
2-0
https://x.com/brfootball/status/1714473106935328783?s=61
And this is just ridiculous
https://x.com/crewsmat10/status/1714470887192174883?s=61
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Post by: Toronto Villa on October 25, 2023, 09:02:34 PM
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Aston Villa goalkeeper Emi Martinez has heaped praised on Unai Emery.
The Villa boss passed a calendar year in the job this week and currently has his side winning plaudits for their displays in the Premier League.
World Cup winner Martinez, who worked with Emery at Arsenal in the past, said: "I have known him for a long time. When he signed for the club I was over the moon. I knew how well he worked. But he surprised me as well how he had developed as a manager.
"It is his second time in the Premier League, he was probably more prepared. He can make decisions here rather than listen to those above.
"For me he is one of the top five managers in the world right now."
On his own hopes at the club, Martinez, 31, outlined why he signed a new deal until 2027 last year and how he believes it will be "emotional" if he can win a trophy or reach the Champions League.
Asked if the club can match his ambitions, he said: "I think they can match. That’s why I decided to stay here. It’s a club that wants to be in the Champions League and win a trophy. The main conversation with Unai is how can they get there. I am not here to waste time. Since I joined the club we are moving forward. I will try to put Villa in a Champions League place and win silverware.
"My ambitions are high. You need to ask where the path is going. If the club wants to say in the Premier League, it's not what I want. For me it is easy to go and play Champions League somewhere else. It is harder for a club that haven't been there in so many years. That's the challenge. I want to play Champions League with Aston Villa. We are not there yet, we are building to something really good."
Post by: LeeB on October 25, 2023, 09:05:58 PM
From BBCQuoteAston Villa goalkeeper Emi Martinez has heaped praised on Unai Emery.
The Villa boss passed a calendar year in the job this week and currently has his side winning plaudits for their displays in the Premier League.
World Cup winner Martinez, who worked with Emery at Arsenal in the past, said: "I have known him for a long time. When he signed for the club I was over the moon. I knew how well he worked. But he surprised me as well how he had developed as a manager.
"It is his second time in the Premier League, he was probably more prepared. He can make decisions here rather than listen to those above.
"For me he is one of the top five managers in the world right now."
On his own hopes at the club, Martinez, 31, outlined why he signed a new deal until 2027 last year and how he believes it will be "emotional" if he can win a trophy or reach the Champions League.
Asked if the club can match his ambitions, he said: "I think they can match. That’s why I decided to stay here. It’s a club that wants to be in the Champions League and win a trophy. The main conversation with Unai is how can they get there. I am not here to waste time. Since I joined the club we are moving forward. I will try to put Villa in a Champions League place and win silverware.
"My ambitions are high. You need to ask where the path is going. If the club wants to say in the Premier League, it's not what I want. For me it is easy to go and play Champions League somewhere else. It is harder for a club that haven't been there in so many years. That's the challenge. I want to play Champions League with Aston Villa. We are not there yet, we are building to something really good."
You see Grealish, it can be done. You bellend.
Post by: paul_e on October 25, 2023, 09:44:51 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 25, 2023, 10:39:57 PM
From BBCQuoteAston Villa goalkeeper Emi Martinez has heaped praised on Unai Emery.
The Villa boss passed a calendar year in the job this week and currently has his side winning plaudits for their displays in the Premier League.
World Cup winner Martinez, who worked with Emery at Arsenal in the past, said: "I have known him for a long time. When he signed for the club I was over the moon. I knew how well he worked. But he surprised me as well how he had developed as a manager.
"It is his second time in the Premier League, he was probably more prepared. He can make decisions here rather than listen to those above.
"For me he is one of the top five managers in the world right now."
On his own hopes at the club, Martinez, 31, outlined why he signed a new deal until 2027 last year and how he believes it will be "emotional" if he can win a trophy or reach the Champions League.
Asked if the club can match his ambitions, he said: "I think they can match. That’s why I decided to stay here. It’s a club that wants to be in the Champions League and win a trophy. The main conversation with Unai is how can they get there. I am not here to waste time. Since I joined the club we are moving forward. I will try to put Villa in a Champions League place and win silverware.
"My ambitions are high. You need to ask where the path is going. If the club wants to say in the Premier League, it's not what I want. For me it is easy to go and play Champions League somewhere else. It is harder for a club that haven't been there in so many years. That's the challenge. I want to play Champions League with Aston Villa. We are not there yet, we are building to something really good."
You see Grealish, it can be done. You bellend.
Yeah Grealish, take your Premier League medal, and your Champions League one, too, and stick both of them right up your arse.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 25, 2023, 10:46:21 PM
And with Emi you know he means it.
I've always thought he should be captain.
Post by: Risso on October 25, 2023, 10:57:35 PM
Brilliant words from Martinez.
And with Emi you know he means it.
I've always thought he should be captain.
Was that at the same time you were suggesting he should be replaced by Olsen?
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 25, 2023, 11:08:20 PM
Martinez has always been first choice. Number one goalkeeper ability to me.
There was some concern too that playing out from the back was not his strongest strength, but everything appears to be on track and for Martinez to carry us onwards and upwards.
Post by: Risso on October 25, 2023, 11:10:00 PM
There was some concern that playing out from the back was not his strongest strength
Fairly horrendous "insight" that was, as it turns out.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 25, 2023, 11:19:46 PM
I would say to that Emi Martinez has had to acquire further skills and expertise necessary for passing out to players in addition to developing instincts to come out as Sweeper KeeperThere was some concern that playing out from the back was not his strongest strength
Fairly horrendous "insight" that was, as it turns out.
Distribution has been developed with the coaching staff.
He's a special goalkeeper. A winner. World Class Number one in the world.
He has an aura when players come one-on-one and they are obviously intimidating by his presence he's totally world class at that however I don't think he's world class at distribution even though he has had some excellent passing out moment sometimes it could be better.
I think that's fair.
Post by: Risso on October 25, 2023, 11:26:17 PM
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Post by: coreyfeldman on October 26, 2023, 12:02:55 AM
I would say to that Emi Martinez has had to acquire further skills and expertise necessary for passing out to players in addition to developing instincts to come out as Sweeper KeeperThere was some concern that playing out from the back was not his strongest strength
Fairly horrendous "insight" that was, as it turns out.
Distribution has been developed with the coaching staff.
He's a special goalkeeper. A winner. World Class Number one in the world.
He has an aura when players come one-on-one and they are obviously intimidating by his presence he's totally world class at that however I don't think he's world class at distribution even though he has had some excellent passing out moment sometimes it could be better.
I think that's fair.
And you went on and on about his silly world Cup willy joke, questioning his temperament etc etc. You just talk such absolute fucking guff it's unreal
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 26, 2023, 05:11:27 AM
Post by: Bad English on October 26, 2023, 08:36:59 AM
Post by: Drummond on October 26, 2023, 09:27:10 AM
Post by: LeeB on October 26, 2023, 09:37:00 AM
To be fair, I don't think Martinez is the best with the ball at his feet. He's getting better and I wouldn't have any other keeper, but there are times when he hits it longer that it isn't as good as it could be.
He's got loads better in terms of his touch and shorter range passing, and I think half the battle with this type of play is having a keeper that actually looks convincing with the ball at his feet and Emi does. Robin, in contrast, does not.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 26, 2023, 10:33:10 AM
I would say to that Emi Martinez has had to acquire further skills and expertise necessary for passing out to players in addition to developing instincts to come out as Sweeper KeeperThere was some concern that playing out from the back was not his strongest strength
Fairly horrendous "insight" that was, as it turns out.
Distribution has been developed with the coaching staff.
He's a special goalkeeper. A winner. World Class Number one in the world.
He has an aura when players come one-on-one and they are obviously intimidating by his presence he's totally world class at that however I don't think he's world class at distribution even though he has had some excellent passing out moment sometimes it could be better.
I think that's fair.
And you went on and on about his silly world Cup willy joke, questioning his temperament etc etc. You just talk such absolute fucking guff it's unreal
I remember one absolute belter in particular, which was the suggestion that Emery might play Olsen in a league match at Everton rather than Martinez, one of the main reasons being "he knows the ground".
It's an endless stream of horse-shit.
Post by: Drummond on October 26, 2023, 10:51:26 AM
To be fair, I don't think Martinez is the best with the ball at his feet. He's getting better and I wouldn't have any other keeper, but there are times when he hits it longer that it isn't as good as it could be.
He's got loads better in terms of his touch and shorter range passing, and I think half the battle with this type of play is having a keeper that actually looks convincing with the ball at his feet and Emi does. Robin, in contrast, does not.
I shudder at the very thought of Olsen, never mind just the thought of him trying to play the ball.
If you're an opponent, you just put on your quickest striker and tell him to close on Olsen and they'll get a result. He's just not the right fit for style of play.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 26, 2023, 11:40:31 AM
I would say to that Emi Martinez has had to acquire further skills and expertise necessary for passing out to players in addition to developing instincts to come out as Sweeper KeeperThere was some concern that playing out from the back was not his strongest strength
Fairly horrendous "insight" that was, as it turns out.
Distribution has been developed with the coaching staff.
He's a special goalkeeper. A winner. World Class Number one in the world.
He has an aura when players come one-on-one and they are obviously intimidating by his presence he's totally world class at that however I don't think he's world class at distribution even though he has had some excellent passing out moment sometimes it could be better.
I think that's fair.
And you went on and on about his silly world Cup willy joke, questioning his temperament etc etc. You just talk such absolute fucking guff it's unreal
I remember one absolute belter in particular, which was the suggestion that Emery might play Olsen in a league match at Everton rather than Martinez, one of the main reasons being "he knows the ground".
It's an endless stream of horse-shit.
I remember the classic Olsen will likely play boxing day, as expect Martinez and Argentina to win the World Cup, and he'll be celebrating.I said that pre-tournament.
But if some choose to focus on only the inaccuracies or lack of context of what I write, that's their own misgiving. Everyone writes as much sense or nonsense as the next person. If one truly disagrees, one should engage in more structured debate rather than straightforward foul language.
In football, players can get yellow cards for unsporting behaviour and dissent.
Some cautions need to be handed out here due to the foul and abusive language being used.
So do try and let people write what they think or feel, and to some I ask, be constructive or fair in reply.
Anyway, this is a Martinez thread.I maintain he should be captain and that I'm not totally convinced of his discharge of the ball at times.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 26, 2023, 11:46:55 AM
Everyone writes as much sense or nonsense as the next person.
If only.
Post by: Simon Page on October 26, 2023, 11:50:42 AM
Quote from: Boris Johnson
If some choose to focus on only the inaccuracies or lack of context of what I write, that's their own misgiving.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 26, 2023, 12:10:18 PM
Absolute nonsense. His distribution is superb, and he's a hugely important part of how we play, ie building from the back.
Literally 50% of Martinez long passes are successful so far this season.
So as I say he needs to improve longer distances of passing distribution. That would be on decision making of the pass as well as the accuracy.
No need there to correct myself on the misgivings as the facts tell the story. However I've already acknowledged his improvement on his passing which have been coached into him for short and medium length passes
Short and Medium passing is 98%
Short game 62 passes made 61 completed.
Medium passing 153 passes made 151 completed.
To play football Martinez has to have those high level short and medium passes but also improve his longer pass distribution.
96 passes made long only 48 found a Villa player.
So half the time he kicks to an opponent and half the time to one of our players.
I would maintain that level of discharging needs improvement and would like to hear why you think 50% distribution is superb
Post by: Tayls_7 on October 26, 2023, 12:22:44 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 26, 2023, 12:36:44 PM
So the further you kick/throw a ball, the less accurate it's likely to be? Who knew?
Insight innit?
Post by: LeeB on October 26, 2023, 12:37:57 PM
Post by: Risso on October 26, 2023, 12:38:51 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on October 26, 2023, 12:45:28 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 26, 2023, 12:50:02 PM
His long passing is rated as "strong" on Whoscored, and his overall pass completion rate is 80.3%, more or less the same as Ederson on 81%. Against West Ham, Emi's pass completion success was 89%. So the vast majority of his passes find their intended recipient, but there isn't a keeper in the Premier League who's not forced to punt it up field whilst under pressure occasionally. As I say, his ability on the ball and playing passes is the very foundation on which all our good play is based. We literally couldn't do what we do without him, or another keeper like him, of which there aren't many.
Correct, and although he may not be No.1 at playing with his feet he's very, very good, and that's on top of being amazing at shot stopping, one on one's, coming off his line and actually catching shots and crosses, and being without a shadow of a doubt, the world leading No.1 in penalty shoot outs and non-violent shithousing.
Post by: Risso on October 26, 2023, 12:50:27 PM
Also, long passes will always be less accurate as it gives more time for a defender to recover. And what constitutes a bad long pass. Is it the first person to touch it or is it if possession is lost? If the first, would Torres pass that was almost intercepted be classed as a bad pass even though Mcginn the played it into Watkins path to score? If the latter, would a mis-control by the striker mean the long pass was incomplete?
You would expect the majority of long clearances under pressure to go to a defender, by simple reason of the fact that the number of defenders in the opponent's defensive third is nearly always greater than the number of attackers, so it's simple maths.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 26, 2023, 12:58:14 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 26, 2023, 12:59:17 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 26, 2023, 02:19:39 PM
Agree with the bold statement Risso though your stats wise isn't appropriate to the debate as the discussion was around long game and distribution. I had covered the short and medium discharging of the ball already.His long passing is rated as "strong" on Whoscored, and his overall pass completion rate is 80.3%, more or less the same as Ederson on 81%. Against West Ham, Emi's pass completion success was 89%. So the vast majority of his passes find their intended recipient, but there isn't a keeper in the Premier League who's not forced to punt it up field whilst under pressure occasionally. As I say, his ability on the ball and playing passes is the very foundation on which all our good play is based. We literally couldn't do what we do without him, or another keeper like him, of which there aren't many.
Correct, and although he may not be No.1 at playing with his feet he's very, very good, and that's on top of being amazing at shot stopping, one on one's, coming off his line and actually catching shots and crosses, and being without a shadow of a doubt, the world leading No.1 in penalty shoot outs and non-violent shithousing.
Agree with this LB
This is a very accurate summary.
Though I am not a fan of unsporting like behaviour because it is not to my satisfaction, I have come to terms with it and occasionally feel naughty enough to agree on some shenanigans for us to win the game.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 26, 2023, 02:24:25 PM
On top of the way we are playing with our outfield players often dominating games, it really helps on those occasions where the opponents get through having the best keeper in the world (IMO) at the back to bail us out. And he has. Fucking love Emi.
He's really improved his awareness to play as Sweeper and that's something he has to do under Emery style of football with a high line.
Definitely can agree there
Post by: darren woolley on October 26, 2023, 02:27:39 PM
On top of the way we are playing with our outfield players often dominating games, it really helps on those occasions where the opponents get through having the best keeper in the world (IMO) at the back to bail us out. And he has. Fucking love Emi.
I absolutely agree with this TV.
Post by: OCD on October 26, 2023, 02:35:47 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 29, 2023, 11:30:56 AM
Also, long passes will always be less accurate as it gives more time for a defender to recover. And what constitutes a bad long pass. Is it the first person to touch it or is it if possession is lost? If the first, would Torres pass that was almost intercepted be classed as a bad pass even though Mcginn the played it into Watkins path to score? If the latter, would a mis-control by the striker mean the long pass was incomplete?
You would expect the majority of long clearances under pressure to go to a defender, by simple reason of the fact that the number of defenders in the opponent's defensive third is nearly always greater than the number of attackers, so it's simple maths.
Let's not ignoring the main argument I'm making in this passing distribution issue of Martinez
However, let me make it more clear in outlining my worries. Make it simple like you say the simple maths.
First -there are concerns that Martinez appears ponderous in possession in open play because he is often observed standing still with one foot on top of the ball if he is not being pressed. Part of that is the game plan to entice the opposition press but Martinez has looked unconvincing with body language to show. That's because he doesn't have the passing range and ability of an outfield player.
He can pass safely by going sideways, and he usually does well with short passes. However, only 50% of his passes go to Watkins or the number 10#. So Martinez, in my opinion, lacks the technical passing ability to break the lines,
Ok some of his diagonal passing has improved. But he's not at Ederson or Alison's level of creative distribution. And even Pickford from playing longer pass.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 29, 2023, 11:44:43 AM
His long passing is rated as "strong" on Whoscored, and his overall pass completion rate is 80.3%, more or less the same as Ederson on 81%. Against West Ham, Emi's pass completion success was 89%. So the vast majority of his passes find their intended recipient, but there isn't a keeper in the Premier League who's not forced to punt it up field whilst under pressure occasionally. As I say, his ability on the ball and playing passes is the very foundation on which all our good play is based. We literally couldn't do what we do without him, or another keeper like him, of which there aren't many.
Furthermore, some opposing players have purposely given him more time on the ball as a result of knowing he doesn't pass as well as outfield players., I've observed Martinez pondering on a pass and he may give it to likes of Cash, Carlos and Kamara, who then struggle to distribute accurately or lose the ball when pressed
Although Emi rarely makes careless short passes, he has occasionally put some of the players I mentioned in jeopardy.
To be fair sometimes he has made good passing and shown patience from the begining our build-up play and have given Villa the platform and foundation for several good chances and goals.
But he hardly ever creates opportunities with a longer pass. This is what I'm getting at for the debate. Longer diagonal balls aren't necessarily finding the player either.
But I'm also pointing out in this discussion that Martinez's passing, in terms of knowing when to speed up play and when to pass more longer to set up attacks sometimes isn't quite up to par for me and could improve.
Emi's vision to get the ball into half spaces seems to be lacking, in my opinion.
If we're looking critically and wanting improvements then looking at Martinez's decision-making abilities in passing creatively isn't nearly as good as what people are claiming
Post by: Monty on October 29, 2023, 11:48:14 AM
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Post by: AV82EC on October 29, 2023, 01:34:38 PM
In agreement with footy
Have a word with yourself
Post by: villa for life on October 29, 2023, 05:23:58 PM
Post by: Mellin on October 29, 2023, 08:24:55 PM
He's human. He's flawed. He's magnificent.
Post by: villa for life on October 29, 2023, 08:29:21 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on October 29, 2023, 08:37:47 PM
His heading could do with some work
Managed to put it on target with his noggin today.
Post by: astonvilla82 on October 29, 2023, 11:57:16 PM
read the next commentIn agreement with footy
Have a word with yourself
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 30, 2023, 12:04:07 AM
I would say to that Emi Martinez has had to acquire further skills and expertise necessary for passing out to players in addition to developing instincts to come out as Sweeper KeeperThere was some concern that playing out from the back was not his strongest strength
Fairly horrendous "insight" that was, as it turns out.
Distribution has been developed with the coaching staff.
He's a special goalkeeper. A winner. World Class Number one in the world.
He has an aura when players come one-on-one and they are obviously intimidating by his presence he's totally world class at that however I don't think he's world class at distribution even though he has had some excellent passing out moment sometimes it could be better.
I think that's fair.
And you went on and on about his silly world Cup willy joke, questioning his temperament etc etc. You just talk such absolute fucking guff it's unreal
I remember one absolute belter in particular, which was the suggestion that Emery might play Olsen in a league match at Everton rather than Martinez, one of the main reasons being "he knows the ground".
It's an endless stream of horse-shit.
I remember the classic Olsen will likely play boxing day, as expect Martinez and Argentina to win the World Cup, and he'll be celebrating.I said that pre-tournament.
But if some choose to focus on only the inaccuracies or lack of context of what I write, that's their own misgiving. Everyone writes as much sense or nonsense as the next person.
You’ll be getting the Ballon-D’or for writing nonsense later today.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 30, 2023, 12:19:38 AM
I remember the classic Olsen will likely play boxing day, as expect Martinez and Argentina to win the World Cup, and he'll be celebrating.I said that pre-tournament.
But if some choose to focus on only the inaccuracies or lack of context of what I write, that's their own misgiving. Everyone writes as much sense or nonsense as the next person.
You’ll be getting the Ballon-D’or for writing nonsense later today.
It'll be the Ballon D'oh!
Post by: paul_e on October 30, 2023, 01:07:42 PM
I remember the classic Olsen will likely play boxing day, as expect Martinez and Argentina to win the World Cup, and he'll be celebrating.I said that pre-tournament.
But if some choose to focus on only the inaccuracies or lack of context of what I write, that's their own misgiving. Everyone writes as much sense or nonsense as the next person.
You’ll be getting the Ballon-D’or for writing nonsense later today.
It'll be the Ballon D'oh!
Not the Ballon B'or?
Post by: Dave on October 30, 2023, 05:43:32 PM
Post by: Mellin on October 30, 2023, 07:16:21 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 30, 2023, 08:31:11 PM
Post by: Smirker on October 30, 2023, 08:32:53 PM
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 30, 2023, 08:36:51 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on October 30, 2023, 08:39:04 PM
It was a really weak field to be fair - Ederson, Allyson, Ramsdale - wankers like that.But is he any good at heading the ball?
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on October 30, 2023, 08:40:21 PM
Long may he be Villa's No 1!
Post by: The Edge on October 30, 2023, 08:45:22 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on October 30, 2023, 08:47:35 PM
Top of the world Ma!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 30, 2023, 08:47:43 PM
After the year he's had, you'd assume he's pretty pleased he made the move to Villa.
Post by: Somniloquism on October 30, 2023, 08:49:45 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on October 30, 2023, 08:56:56 PM
Very proud.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 30, 2023, 09:04:14 PM
Post by: The Edge on October 30, 2023, 10:05:55 PM
Post by: Stu on October 30, 2023, 10:06:47 PM
Apparently the audience in Paris booed him because of his antics in the WC final. Le tossers.
He’ll have loved that
Post by: Somniloquism on October 30, 2023, 10:16:25 PM
Also, if they are going to show defenders, why show them scoring a goal?(usually from a corner). Surely they could find a tremendous defensive play which is why they have been nominated. They at least showed saves for the keepers, and not them trying to score a last minute winner.
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 30, 2023, 10:18:34 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 30, 2023, 10:31:49 PM
https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1719095443454374008?s=46
Post by: Chris Harte on October 30, 2023, 10:56:27 PM
He should've repeated his celebration with his new trophy.Apparently the audience in Paris booed him because of his antics in the WC final. Le tossers.
He’ll have loved that
Post by: Chris Harte on October 30, 2023, 10:57:40 PM
Love that his dad presented the award to him.That#s quality, to be fair.
https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1719095443454374008?s=46
Post by: Chris Harte on October 30, 2023, 11:00:04 PM
It was a really weak field to be fair - Ederson, Allyson, Ramsdale - wankers like that.Oh, don't you believe it. The number of people on Twatter proclaiming that Alison should've won, while simultaneously claiming the whole thing is a sham, is unreal.
Post by: Smirker on October 30, 2023, 11:20:27 PM
I love that he mentions us as well as the National team as being instrumental in his rise.
On the pitch, he is a shithouse (but is ours). Off the pitch, he is a gentleman.
Long live Emi.
Post by: purpletrousers on October 31, 2023, 12:00:54 AM
Best bloody keeper in the world, and he's ours.
Very proud.
And not only is he ours, we are his. He is invested in us, loves the club, is willing to try to get to the CL the harder way, with us, and finally we have a set up the can justify that sort of loyalty.
This is a privileged time to be a Villa fan.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 31, 2023, 12:32:07 AM
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 31, 2023, 01:28:22 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 31, 2023, 06:36:01 AM
https://x.com/villa_woody1000/status/1719094893572743463?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Post by: Dave on October 31, 2023, 07:03:25 AM
No surprise Messi won it again, however I was surprised watching the countdown that Martinez was beaten by another keeper in the Ballon D'or main list
Bounou helping Morocco to the World Cup semi finals with clean sheets against Croatia, Belgium, Spain (even keeping a clean sheet in the penalty shoot out) and Portugal, while also winning the Europa League with Sevilla seems like he's definitely got an argument.
Post by: Bad English on October 31, 2023, 08:08:34 AM
I see a small section of the French Bad Losers Committee were out to greet Emi. Fuck them! Wankers! A few years ago none of them even followed football.They are still annoyed that his leg was between us and a third star. Even SWMBO gets riled when she sees him on TV. Very amusing.
Qatari human rights violations forgotten. Willy wave outrageous.
Post by: Olneythelonely on October 31, 2023, 08:39:23 AM
No surprise Messi won it again, however I was surprised watching the countdown that Martinez was beaten by another keeper in the Ballon D'or main list
Bounou helping Morocco to the World Cup semi finals with clean sheets against Croatia, Belgium, Spain (even keeping a clean sheet in the penalty shoot out) and Portugal, while also winning the Europa League with Sevilla seems like he's definitely got an argument.
Isn’t his point “well how didn’t Bounou win the Yashine Trophy then”? I thought the same.
Post by: Dave P on October 31, 2023, 08:46:54 AM
Post by: Dave on October 31, 2023, 08:50:16 AM
No surprise Messi won it again, however I was surprised watching the countdown that Martinez was beaten by another keeper in the Ballon D'or main list
Bounou helping Morocco to the World Cup semi finals with clean sheets against Croatia, Belgium, Spain (even keeping a clean sheet in the penalty shoot out) and Portugal, while also winning the Europa League with Sevilla seems like he's definitely got an argument.
Isn’t his point “well how didn’t Bounou win the Yashine Trophy then”? I thought the same.
Because it's the same hundred people being asked to vote on multiple things.
So if you ask them "who is the best player in the world?", forty of them say Messi, thirty of them say Haaland, ten of them say Mbappe, five of them say Bounou and three of them say Martinez, then Bounou will be higher in their silly rankings than Martinez.
When the same hundred people are asked "who is the best goalkeeper in the world?", and eighty of them say Martinez and five of them say Bounou then Martinez will win the best goalkeeper award.
Post by: darren woolley on October 31, 2023, 08:50:44 AM
Post by: Olneythelonely on October 31, 2023, 09:51:31 AM
No surprise Messi won it again, however I was surprised watching the countdown that Martinez was beaten by another keeper in the Ballon D'or main list
Bounou helping Morocco to the World Cup semi finals with clean sheets against Croatia, Belgium, Spain (even keeping a clean sheet in the penalty shoot out) and Portugal, while also winning the Europa League with Sevilla seems like he's definitely got an argument.
Isn’t his point “well how didn’t Bounou win the Yashine Trophy then”? I thought the same.
Because it's the same hundred people being asked to vote on multiple things.
So if you ask them "who is the best player in the world?", forty of them say Messi, thirty of them say Haaland, ten of them say Mbappe, five of them say Bounou and three of them say Martinez, then Bounou will be higher in their silly rankings than Martinez.
When the same hundred people are asked "who is the best goalkeeper in the world?", and eighty of them say Martinez and five of them say Bounou then Martinez will win the best goalkeeper award.
That makes sense. I was just pointing out that’s what I think Somniloquism was saying, not that Bounou didn’t deserve it.
Post by: danno on October 31, 2023, 10:04:27 AM
I see a small section of the French Bad Losers Committee were out to greet Emi. Fuck them! Wankers! A few years ago none of them even followed football.They are still annoyed that his leg was between us and a third star. Even SWMBO gets ruled when she sees him on TV. Very amusing.
Qatari human rights violations forgotten. Willy wave outrageous.
Riled? :)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 31, 2023, 10:12:21 AM
I see a small section of the French Bad Losers Committee were out to greet Emi. Fuck them! Wankers! A few years ago none of them even followed football.
Also lots of Red Scouse whining that it should have been Alisson.
Post by: danno on October 31, 2023, 10:14:04 AM
I see a small section of the French Bad Losers Committee were out to greet Emi. Fuck them! Wankers! A few years ago none of them even followed football.
Also lots of Red Scouse whining that it should have been Alisson.
And isn’t Ederson better than Alisson anyway?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 31, 2023, 10:37:08 AM
I see a small section of the French Bad Losers Committee were out to greet Emi. Fuck them! Wankers! A few years ago none of them even followed football.
Also lots of Red Scouse whining that it should have been Alisson.
If the Brazillian national side was half decent he might have been in with a shout. As they weren't he didn't get the opportunity to make world class saves in the final or to cap his performances with masterful shithousery.
Post by: Dave on October 31, 2023, 11:13:37 AM
I see a small section of the French Bad Losers Committee were out to greet Emi. Fuck them! Wankers! A few years ago none of them even followed football.
Also lots of Red Scouse whining that it should have been Alisson.
And isn’t Ederson better than Alisson anyway?
Given these things are always based on what the player has achieved rather than how good the player is anyway, Ederson should definitely have been ahead of Alisson in the voting based on all the trophies he won last season. Alisson is more often than not preferred for Brazil, so they presumably think he's the better player.
Post by: LeeB on October 31, 2023, 11:18:20 AM
The big lad at Athletico is good as well, as is Courtois.
They're the four behind our boy.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 31, 2023, 12:46:48 PM
Quote
What frustrates me is that Chelsea could of bought Emi Martinez this summer, but because we have a transfer policy of what age to buy the player, we didn’t go for him. Surely a mixture of experienced and young players is what we need. All we have is a lot of good players with potential. We needed winners & experience.
Post by: Dave on October 31, 2023, 12:49:30 PM
From someone with 1.5m followers on Facebook. Don't all laugh at once.QuoteWhat frustrates me is that Chelsea could of bought Emi Martinez this summer, but because we have a transfer policy of what age to buy the player, we didn’t go for him. Surely a mixture of experienced and young players is what we need. All we have is a lot of good players with potential. We needed winners & experience.
I dunno, if they were chucking £100m at Caicedo and Fernandez they'd probably have given us double that for Emi. At which point he's right, they probably would have got him.
Post by: AV84 on October 31, 2023, 01:01:49 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 31, 2023, 01:03:10 PM
Post by: Dave on October 31, 2023, 01:08:57 PM
Genuinely surprised me that Chelsea didn't try to buy him, or any other keeper over the summer.
They did give Brighton £25m for Sanchez.
Post by: LeeB on October 31, 2023, 01:19:16 PM
Genuinely surprised me that Chelsea didn't try to buy him, or any other keeper over the summer.
They did give Brighton £25m for Sanchez.
He reminds me of Carson, shots go flying in past where he should be standing.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 31, 2023, 01:34:26 PM
Fuck Chelsea. Every day of the week.
And twice on Sunday, just to be on the safe side.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 31, 2023, 01:38:56 PM
Fuck Chelsea. Every day of the week.
And twice on Sunday, just to be on the safe side.
As joe_c has pointed out more than once, re Chelsea, it's hard to have any respect whatsoever for a club that wasn't even formed until the 20th century.
Post by: Monty on October 31, 2023, 01:39:48 PM
Fuck Chelsea. Every day of the week.
And twice on Sunday, just to be on the safe side.
As joe_c has pointed out more than once, re Chelsea, it's hard to have any respect whatsoever for a club that wasn't even formed until the 20th century.
Yeah, in Britain that's pretty much unacceptable.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 31, 2023, 01:50:20 PM
Genuinely surprised me that Chelsea didn't try to buy him, or any other keeper over the summer.
They did give Brighton £25m for Sanchez.
He reminds me of Carson, shots go flying in past where he should be standing.
Except when these pricks play us. Last season at Villa Park, Kepa became Dino Zoff. This season Sanchez stopped those shot from Digne and Zaniolo like he was prime Lev Yashin. The fucker has been shit ever since.
Post by: LeeB on October 31, 2023, 01:57:26 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 31, 2023, 02:38:29 PM
Genuinely surprised me that Chelsea didn't try to buy him, or any other keeper over the summer.
They did give Brighton £25m for Sanchez.
When Martinez left Arsenal and signed for Villa he had a choice between moving to us or Brighton.
Dean Smith convinced him to come to the best and be the best !
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 31, 2023, 02:39:33 PM
Emi Martinez, the Best in the World!
This was class.
Great accolade!
Post by: andyh on October 31, 2023, 09:47:24 PM
You wouldn’t fucking know it if you relied on mainstream media reporting.
Post by: Somniloquism on October 31, 2023, 09:54:04 PM
No surprise Messi won it again, however I was surprised watching the countdown that Martinez was beaten by another keeper in the Ballon D'or main list
Bounou helping Morocco to the World Cup semi finals with clean sheets against Croatia, Belgium, Spain (even keeping a clean sheet in the penalty shoot out) and Portugal, while also winning the Europa League with Sevilla seems like he's definitely got an argument.
Isn’t his point “well how didn’t Bounou win the Yashine Trophy then”? I thought the same.
Because it's the same hundred people being asked to vote on multiple things.
So if you ask them "who is the best player in the world?", forty of them say Messi, thirty of them say Haaland, ten of them say Mbappe, five of them say Bounou and three of them say Martinez, then Bounou will be higher in their silly rankings than Martinez.
When the same hundred people are asked "who is the best goalkeeper in the world?", and eighty of them say Martinez and five of them say Bounou then Martinez will win the best goalkeeper award.
Although that asks even more questions on why "one nomination" puts someone further towards the top as someone with "five nominations". What other rankings are used?
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2023, 05:01:13 PM
https://x.com/ballondor/status/1719738568023707993?s=46
Post by: purpletrousers on November 01, 2023, 05:41:34 PM
Emi Martinez, the Best in the World!
This was class.
Great accolade!
I'm smiling big. Is there a subtitled version?
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 01, 2023, 06:03:50 PM
Emi Martinez, the Best in the World!
This was class.
Great accolade!
I'm smiling big. Is there a subtitled version?
"What a surprise what a present ! (dad being here for award) the big man always with me since a young boy he has always been there honestly it's a surprise I have no words. This makes me emotional and want to cry . This isn't possible without him , without Aston Villa and the staff and my wife , my son's and my dear father my gratitude. I win this for my team and my beautiful family are the most important"
Is my understanding.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 01, 2023, 06:10:07 PM
Emi Martinez, the Best in the World!
This was class.
Great accolade!
I'm smiling big. Is there a subtitled version?
I didn't catch every word (the Argentinian accent is a tough one. So is my stupidity) but he doesn't say anything massively interesting. It's a lovely surprise to have his dad there, it was an ambition to make the team on the back of performances for Villa, for him the most important thing is always the team and his family and it's been that way throughout his career.
That's the gist anyway.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 01, 2023, 06:22:55 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 01, 2023, 06:26:10 PM
I made the words of English as much as can with small paraphrase
The surprise and the emotions and bond with his dad.
And the usual as a kid to now couldn't have done it without my dad, thanking villa and his team and how important and beautiful his family are.His father he calls the big man !
Post by: Mister E on November 01, 2023, 06:40:07 PM
was there booing ?Yes. The French contingent, I believe.
Oh, and Footy because of the hand-gesture at the WC trophy presentation.
Post by: Bad English on November 01, 2023, 06:44:06 PM
"I say to man in shop, 'Is rat.' He say, 'No, no, no. Is a special kind of hamster. Is filigree Siberian hamster.' Only one in shop. He make special price, only five pound."
Post by: Mister E on November 01, 2023, 06:47:36 PM
I heardNah, that's too Catalan.
"I say to man in shop, 'Is rat.' He say, 'No, no, no. Is a special kind of hamster. Is filigree Siberian hamster.' Only one in shop. He make special price, only five pound."
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 01, 2023, 07:07:38 PM
I heard
"I say to man in shop, 'Is rat.' He say, 'No, no, no. Is a special kind of hamster. Is filigree Siberian hamster.' Only one in shop. He make special price, only five pound."
He obviously said that too, but I didn't mention it because Siberian hamsters are as obvious as mate when you're dealing with Argie goalkeepers.
Post by: Bad English on November 01, 2023, 07:14:32 PM
Manuel doesn't speak Catalan though.I heardNah, that's too Catalan.
"I say to man in shop, 'Is rat.' He say, 'No, no, no. Is a special kind of hamster. Is filigree Siberian hamster.' Only one in shop. He make special price, only five pound."
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on November 01, 2023, 07:43:09 PM
I heard
"I say to man in shop, 'Is rat.' He say, 'No, no, no. Is a special kind of hamster. Is filigree Siberian hamster.' Only one in shop. He make special price, only five pound."
Basil…Basil
Post by: mike on November 01, 2023, 08:31:37 PM
Post by: rooboy316 on November 02, 2023, 09:25:17 AM
Sorry I may have not made it clear above. I've explained what has been said.
I made the words of English as much as can with small paraphrase
The surprise and the emotions and bond with his dad.
And the usual as a kid to now couldn't have done it without my dad, thanking villa and his team and how important and beautiful his family are.His father he calls the big man !
Are you a native Spanish speaker footy?
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 02, 2023, 11:35:54 AM
This would be to help embracing the following of friends and family of players like Martinez back in Argentinia and people who know Buendia. As well as the major following of Emery and Villa gaining popularity in Spain.
For me I understand all languages or try to sometimes since I've been to a few inspirational religious conventions, which I recommend to anyone. They are multilingual, and you get a head set that translates as well as transcripts, so I was able to pick up some things. I've met a lot of lovely people who speak this language on pilgrimages.
Since Emery had taken over, I did think there would have been more Spanish prescenes in the team. I wonder as well about the dialogue on h and v. Although there hasn't been much more Spanish spoken on the threads in the past year, perhaps things will change with more support coming from the South American and Spanish regions due to our popularity, the love of football in these regions, and support for players like Martinez, Luiz, and El Maestro Emery.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 02, 2023, 11:45:12 AM
You don't mean Manuel Neuer it's Ter Stegen he is the Barcelona keeper.Manuel doesn't speak Catalan though.I heardNah, that's too Catalan.
"I say to man in shop, 'Is rat.' He say, 'No, no, no. Is a special kind of hamster. Is filigree Siberian hamster.' Only one in shop. He make special price, only five pound."
Though I don't understand what that translation could be from Catalan?
Martinez has overtaken both of them!
Post by: Dave on November 02, 2023, 12:12:37 PM
You don't mean Manuel Neuer it's Ter Stegen he is the Barcelona keeper.Manuel doesn't speak Catalan though.I heardNah, that's too Catalan.
"I say to man in shop, 'Is rat.' He say, 'No, no, no. Is a special kind of hamster. Is filigree Siberian hamster.' Only one in shop. He make special price, only five pound."
Though I don't understand what that translation could be from Catalan?
Martinez has overtaken both of them!
Yeah, it's not that.
Post by: KevinGage on November 02, 2023, 12:18:10 PM
For me I understand all languages or try to sometimes since I've been to a few inspirational religious conventions, which I recommend to anyone.
Any you'd recommend in particular?
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2023, 01:55:10 PM
Post by: Bad English on November 02, 2023, 05:57:03 PM
Any you'd recommend in particular?Villa Park. Church of McGrath. Only one that is real.
Post by: Mister E on November 02, 2023, 06:36:22 PM
Halleluyah, Brother!Any you'd recommend in particular?Villa Park. Church of McGrath. Only one that is real.
Post by: Chris Harte on November 02, 2023, 07:56:08 PM
I wouldn't be able to write always if you wanted to speak Spanish, but if you're native, it would be nice to read Spanish text here sometimes. I think there are existing posters who speak or understand and is somewhat fitting if more was done in SpainishEs posible que he equivocado, pero quizás haya reglas sobre el uso de idiomas que no son inglés aquí.
This would be to help embracing the following of friends and family of players like Martinez back in Argentinia and people who know Buendia. As well as the major following of Emery and Villa gaining popularity in Spain.
For me I understand all languages or try to sometimes since I've been to a few inspirational religious conventions, which I recommend to anyone. They are multilingual, and you get a head set that translates as well as transcripts, so I was able to pick up some things. I've met a lot of lovely people who speak this language on pilgrimages.
Since Emery had taken over, I did think there would have been more Spanish prescenes in the team. I wonder as well about the dialogue on h and v. Although there hasn't been much more Spanish spoken on the threads in the past year, perhaps things will change with more support coming from the South American and Spanish regions due to our popularity, the love of football in these regions, and support for players like Martinez, Luiz, and El Maestro Emery.
Sería buena si haya más hablantes de español quien querer saber sobre nuestro equipo, aunque Roma no era hecho por un día. Si Unai este aquí con el club por otra cinco años, pues quizás. Se necesite muchos trofeos también.
Post by: Bad English on November 02, 2023, 08:51:14 PM
Post by: Chris Harte on November 02, 2023, 08:59:57 PM
No puedo recordar que occurrirá con los acentos de Argentina. Quizás nos llamen Aston Bija también.
Espero que Footy-vil le guste los comentarios en español, pero ahora deberíamos return to posting in English.
Post by: Clampy on November 02, 2023, 09:05:27 PM
Los españoles será nos llaman Aston Biya, los colombianos será nos llaman Aston Bija.
No puedo recordar que occurrirá con los acentos de Argentina. Quizás nos llamen Aston Bija también.
Espero que Footy-vil le guste los comentarios en español, pero ahora deberíamos return to posting in English.
Write it out 100 times. If it isn't done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off.
Post by: Chris Harte on November 02, 2023, 09:09:44 PM
Already done.Los españoles será nos llaman Aston Biya, los colombianos será nos llaman Aston Bija.
No puedo recordar que occurrirá con los acentos de Argentina. Quizás nos llamen Aston Bija también.
Espero que Footy-vil le guste los comentarios en español, pero ahora deberíamos return to posting in English.
Write it out 100 times. If it isn't done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off.
You didn't specify where to write it.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 02, 2023, 11:03:40 PM
For me I understand all languages or try to sometimes since I've been to a few inspirational religious conventions, which I recommend to anyone.
Any you'd recommend in particular?
Speaking in tongues.
(Also a great mid period Talking Heads album).
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 02, 2023, 11:10:47 PM
No puedo recordar que occurrirá con los acentos de Argentina.
I seem to recall they use 'vos' a lot and the accent's a nightmare (even tougher than Cuba).
Post by: Chris Harte on November 02, 2023, 11:21:26 PM
I can't remember who uses vos but you could well be right. My own focus is Castellano (European Spanish). That said, my first Spanish teacher was a Colombian lady who was all "me jamo" this, "tú jamas" that.No puedo recordar que occurrirá con los acentos de Argentina.
I seem to recall they use 'vos' a lot and the accent's a nightmare (even tougher than Cuba).
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 02, 2023, 11:46:08 PM
No puedo recordar que occurrirá con los acentos de Argentina.
I seem to recall they use 'vos' a lot and the accent's a nightmare (even tougher than Cuba).
I can't remember who uses vos but you could well be right. My own focus is Castellano (European Spanish). That said, my first Spanish teacher was a Colombian lady who was all "me jamo" this, "tú jamas" that.
When I studied it a bit in Costa Rica the teachers reckoned that Colombian Spanish was the 'best'.
Post by: algy on November 03, 2023, 07:58:54 AM
For me I understand all languages or try to sometimes since I've been to a few inspirational religious conventions, which I recommend to anyone.I mind once whilst I was living in Edinburgh one of my mates texted me "just on the bus. seen a poster for resurrection in may. wanna go" followed about 5 mins later by "aw fuck got off the bus at the next stop to read the line up and it's some kind of religious shit ... They're no ma crowd"
He thought it was this type of thing
(https://cdn-mixesdb.com/mw/images/thumb/c/c0/2019-04-06_-_Rezerection%2C_Royal_Highland_Centre%2C_Edinburgh.jpg/382px-2019-04-06_-_Rezerection%2C_Royal_Highland_Centre%2C_Edinburgh.jpg)
Still makes me laugh when I pass the advertising board that poster was on.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 04, 2023, 12:01:35 PM
Post by: dekko on November 04, 2023, 12:09:29 PM
The Times article states that EMI took Emery’s goalkeeper coach with him to the Balon Dor awards. Nice touch, especially as I had a nagging doubt that Emi didn’t want Cutler to leave.
Certainly looked that way judging from some of his comments at the time. Looks like the new guy won him over though.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 06, 2023, 08:25:08 AM
And I go along with Unai Emery on this one regards Emi Martinez
"We are human, we can make mistakes. I am never punishing the mistake of the players because I want to try to get confidence for everybody."
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 16, 2023, 12:58:50 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 17, 2023, 12:53:59 AM
Edit: lost 2-0
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 17, 2023, 07:52:55 AM
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Post by: coreyfeldman on November 17, 2023, 11:51:16 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 17, 2023, 12:28:57 PM
Post by: aldridgeboy on November 22, 2023, 07:25:48 AM
https://x.com/villamole1/status/1727212378763444664?s=46&t=jo4adbG13BgBUR97pIGxUA
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 22, 2023, 08:13:36 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 22, 2023, 09:20:20 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on November 22, 2023, 09:45:37 AM
That's insane.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 22, 2023, 10:23:09 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 22, 2023, 10:27:23 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67494143
Javier Milei's only been in power a few days and already the Argentina team are doing Nazi salutes. :(
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 22, 2023, 10:35:11 AM
Got to love Emi.Bet he'll be in for a bollocking from Unai for getting involved when he gets back for training though! ;)
Post by: Axl Rose on November 22, 2023, 10:36:16 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 22, 2023, 10:37:44 AM
Got to love Emi.Bet he'll be in for a bollocking from Unai for getting involved when he gets back for training though! ;)
Expect Olsen to play against Tottenham. Insight.
Post by: OCD on November 22, 2023, 02:22:52 PM
Post by: sid1964 on November 22, 2023, 02:26:36 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 22, 2023, 02:43:32 PM
their police remind me of the Italian police in 1990 - anyone who was there will know what i mean!!
Madrid police in '98 too.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 22, 2023, 02:46:53 PM
their police remind me of the Italian police in 1990 - anyone who was there will know what i mean!!
Madrid police in '98 too.
La Coruna of the same vintage as my arse will testify. Mind you, I deserved it for deliberately looking through a gate.
Post by: Matt C on November 22, 2023, 02:54:02 PM
Post by: OCD on November 22, 2023, 02:56:58 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 22, 2023, 03:28:17 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 22, 2023, 04:05:09 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 22, 2023, 04:07:27 PM
Post by: TelfordVilla on November 22, 2023, 04:26:49 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 22, 2023, 04:31:25 PM
https://twitter.com/_igorrodrigues/status/1727128435720601717
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 22, 2023, 05:00:33 PM
I can see a few hand raises in protection, some pushes back & some throwing of objects from Argentina fans in reaction, but I cant see what warranted a beating with batons.
I haven't seen any videos of Argentina fans starting that situation...
Post by: OCD on November 23, 2023, 12:50:27 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on November 23, 2023, 01:02:17 PM
Wouldn't have been impressed if emi had picked up a hand injury from a police baton.
Why? he was protecting people from getting battered, that's worth a lot more than football. life is a bit bigger than the Premier League Best League In The World Ever
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 23, 2023, 01:09:14 PM
Having been a victim of police brutality & corruption myself, I can tell you this, the scars & trauma last a long time...
Post by: Scratchins on November 23, 2023, 01:50:56 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 23, 2023, 05:57:24 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 24, 2023, 06:53:54 PM
He waits and waits
Does our Emi contemplate his fate
And does he know
The time he takes to throw
When we're winning he's so bold
'Cause he has been told
That this time wasting sees a sin unfold
So when Villa are flying and ahead
Thoughts running through his head
And he'll make sure the ball stays dead
He'll take a booking instead.
And through it all he offers us protection
A lot of love and affection
Whether he's right or wrong
And on the ball he falls
Wherever time it takes thee
He knows the winning stakes see
When he falls on the ball, play it out says Emery
I'm loving Emi Martinez
When he's playing weak
And suffers pain with no clean sheet
I look above
And I know I'll always want Emi to fill those gloves
And as the feeling grows
He scares strikers to the bones
And when we get ahead
He'll start timewasting instead
And through it all he offers us protection
A lot of love and affection
Whether he's right or wrong
And on the ball he falls
Wherever time he takes thee
He knows the winning stakes see
When he's on the ball, he plays it out for Emery
I'm loving Emi Martinez
And through it all he offers us protection
A lot of love and affection
Whether he's right or wrong
And on the ball he falls
Whenever time he wastes clearly
He knows the winning stakes see
When he's got ballon d'or, just forget Messi
I'm loving Emi Martinez
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 24, 2023, 07:23:24 PM
Post by: Villan For Life on November 24, 2023, 07:34:38 PM
Post by: VillaTim on November 24, 2023, 07:49:13 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 24, 2023, 08:01:47 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 24, 2023, 08:56:27 PM
Post by: AV84 on November 24, 2023, 09:13:12 PM
Saving shots in the hot sun...
I fought the law and then we went into the changing rooms for 20 minutes until things calmed down
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 25, 2023, 10:07:39 AM
John McGinn is available, while Nicolo Zaniolo and Leon Bailey both trained alone this morning. Jacob Ramsey could be named in the squad.
Post by: Bad English on November 25, 2023, 01:02:32 PM
Footy has clearly discovered ChatGPT.More like ChatGPT is a fork of Footy on GitHub.
Post by: Mister E on November 25, 2023, 04:19:23 PM
This shows some of what went on, does include blood as well as some of the violence, so be warned it may be classed as NSFWBlimey. notice the Brazilian fan with Bepe on his shirt grabbing a police baton and then laying into an Argentinian fan ....
https://twitter.com/_igorrodrigues/status/1727128435720601717
Post by: The Left Side on November 26, 2023, 05:50:10 PM
Post by: Grande Pablo on November 26, 2023, 05:52:05 PM
Post by: Matt C on November 26, 2023, 05:56:50 PM
Post by: Risso on November 26, 2023, 06:02:54 PM
Post by: dave shelley on November 26, 2023, 06:04:38 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 26, 2023, 09:44:04 PM
Best goalkeeper in the World and he is ours.
Came on here to say this
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 26, 2023, 09:55:18 PM
Post by: Dave on November 26, 2023, 10:03:05 PM
But I can see him at Real Madrid when he’s 35. That’s as long as we haven’t won the previous 3 Champions Leagues.
He's the same age as Courtois - unless he breaks his neck or something then he's not going to leave and they're not going to want to get rid of him.
I reckon we might just get very lucky in that most clubs* who would be a step up are pretty comfortable with their existing keepers. If they were as rare as decent centre-forwards then I imagine he'd be gone already.
*Possibly Bayern might be hanging around like a kipper sewn into a curtain lining.
Post by: Smirker on November 26, 2023, 10:07:42 PM
What a signing he has been.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 26, 2023, 10:13:08 PM
Post by: Dave on November 26, 2023, 10:17:14 PM
Be nice if Mr Best in the World kept a clean sheet occassionally.
It would. I'll still take 2-1 victories and the couple of great saves that stop them from being 3-2 defeats, over prioritising the clean sheet though.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 26, 2023, 10:17:18 PM
Be nice if Mr Best in the World kept a clean sheet occassionally.
Well to be fair he did everything he possibly could to do that. He would likely have saved their goal, and he made some incredible saves.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 26, 2023, 10:18:27 PM
Post by: brontebilly on November 26, 2023, 10:20:52 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 26, 2023, 10:24:24 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 26, 2023, 10:26:07 PM
Garnacho scored a great goal today....but Martinez in his form today saves it.
Helps being 6' 5" and not having T-Rex arms.
Post by: Dave on November 26, 2023, 10:26:10 PM
Watch Emi finally keep a clean sheet vs Man City but sadly a 0-0 draw
Or go off injured after 86 minutes and watch Olsen concede three.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 26, 2023, 10:32:59 PM
Watch Emi finally keep a clean sheet vs Man City but sadly a 0-0 draw
Or go off injured after 86 minutes and watch Olsen concede three.
Fuck sake. You can see it. The first would be from Olsen doing what that Sheff Utd keeper did yesterday.
Post by: AV84 on November 26, 2023, 10:53:30 PM
Just watching the highlights of our game and the commentator described one save by Martinez as 'saved by the world champions goalkeeper'. Couldn't bring himself to say 'saved by the best goalkeeper in the world'. The tosser.
I don't need him to praise Martinez like that but the way he worded it sounded really weird. Why not just say "saved by the world cup winning goalkeeper". Does anyone refer to the world cup winners as world champions?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 26, 2023, 11:22:32 PM
Does anyone refer to the world cup winners as world champions?
Brazilians, they chant 'Pentacampeão' (Five-time champions) quite a lot.
Post by: LeeB on November 26, 2023, 11:23:43 PM
Does anyone refer to the world cup winners as world champions?
Brazilians, they chant 'Pentacampeão' (Five-time champions) quite a lot.
Yeah well, "Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that"
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 26, 2023, 11:26:25 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 27, 2023, 12:22:52 AM
Never won at VP. Pele and Brazil, 3rd division Villa twatted you.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. https://www.11v11.com/matches/brazil-v-sweden-04-june-1995-245693/
Post by: Exeter 77 on November 27, 2023, 07:41:26 AM
Post by: OCD on November 27, 2023, 11:26:15 AM
I'm taking the piss out of the shit Ollie gets.
Do you think Man City fans give Haaland stick when he misses chances? All strikers do, even cyborgs.
Post by: paul_e on November 27, 2023, 12:01:38 PM
I'm taking the piss out of the shit Ollie gets.
Do you think Man City fans give Haaland stick when he misses chances? All strikers do, even cyborgs.
and often at a pretty similar rate strikers generally score with something like 1 in 5/6 shots and Ollie is smack bang in the middle of that.
Post by: Risso on November 27, 2023, 01:21:27 PM
Post by: Monty on November 27, 2023, 01:23:53 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on November 27, 2023, 01:28:20 PM
Post by: 85kota on November 27, 2023, 01:32:19 PM
Ollie's goal didn't require movement, the ball from Tielemans was perfect, and the execution made to look perfectly straightforward.
I think we are seeing the benefits from our manager and his team's coaching and Ollie's commitment to working hard to be the best he can be.
Post by: 85kota on November 27, 2023, 01:34:58 PM
Much better to stay on topic.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 27, 2023, 01:37:38 PM
But why are we discussing Watkins in Emi's thread? The forum is out of control at times.
Much better to stay on topic.
Please accept our humble, heart-felt collective apology.
Post by: 85kota on November 27, 2023, 01:43:57 PM
But why are we discussing Watkins in Emi's thread? The forum is out of control at times.
Much better to stay on topic.
Please accept our humble, heart-felt collective apology.
Don't tell me, show me. Actions speak louder than words.
Although on a forum its probably the words.
Or is it the action of staying on topic?
I will leave it up to you.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 27, 2023, 01:44:34 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 27, 2023, 01:54:21 PM
As I've said to footy a few times if you don't like it maybe Villatalk with it's far more aggressive moderation is a better fit for you.
Post by: Garyth on November 27, 2023, 01:59:33 PM
It's almost as if most people on this forum allow conversations to evolve naturally exactly as they should without feeling the need to lose their shit if it's a little off topic.
Like you’re having a lazy Sunday afternoon chat over some drinks where the conversation takes in about 20 things, none of which are the thing you started talking about and that’s kind of the point.
Post by: paul_e on November 27, 2023, 02:08:10 PM
It's almost as if most people on this forum allow conversations to evolve naturally exactly as they should without feeling the need to lose their shit if it's a little off topic.
Like you’re having a lazy Sunday afternoon chat over some drinks where the conversation takes in about 20 things, none of which are the thing you started talking about and that’s kind of the point.
Absolutely, pesonally it's what I like about it on here and I suspect that's true for most posters.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 27, 2023, 02:39:05 PM
I love lazy Sunday afternoons. Particularly when you get the BBQ on. What are people's thoughts on direct heat vs indirect heat and are you a lid-on or lid-off type of guy / gal?It's almost as if most people on this forum allow conversations to evolve naturally exactly as they should without feeling the need to lose their shit if it's a little off topic.
Like you’re having a lazy Sunday afternoon chat over some drinks where the conversation takes in about 20 things, none of which are the thing you started talking about and that’s kind of the point.
Post by: paul_e on November 27, 2023, 02:40:44 PM
I love lazy Sunday afternoons. Particularly when you get the BBQ on. What are people's thoughts on direct heat vs indirect heat and are you a lid-on or lid-off type of guy / gal?It's almost as if most people on this forum allow conversations to evolve naturally exactly as they should without feeling the need to lose their shit if it's a little off topic.
Like you’re having a lazy Sunday afternoon chat over some drinks where the conversation takes in about 20 things, none of which are the thing you started talking about and that’s kind of the point.
Lid on every time, you get a lot more flavour that way.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 27, 2023, 02:41:54 PM
Post by: FatSam on November 27, 2023, 02:51:12 PM
Thanks for bringing things back on-topic - Martinez is the king of the Asado!I love lazy Sunday afternoons. Particularly when you get the BBQ on. What are people's thoughts on direct heat vs indirect heat and are you a lid-on or lid-off type of guy / gal?It's almost as if most people on this forum allow conversations to evolve naturally exactly as they should without feeling the need to lose their shit if it's a little off topic.
Like you’re having a lazy Sunday afternoon chat over some drinks where the conversation takes in about 20 things, none of which are the thing you started talking about and that’s kind of the point.
Post by: Smithy on November 27, 2023, 02:53:36 PM
But why are we discussing Watkins in Emi's thread? The forum is out of control at times.
Much better to stay on topic.
Please accept our humble, heart-felt collective apology.
Don't tell me, show me. Actions speak louder than words.
Although on a forum its probably the words.
Or is it the action of staying on topic?
I will leave it up to you.
Why are you wasting time discussing forum etiquette on a thread about Emi Martinez. Please try to stay on topic.
Post by: paul_e on November 27, 2023, 02:57:22 PM
I'm with you Paul. Webber by any chance?
Yep, one of the classic black kettle ones, it's a bit old now (Ellis still owned us when I got it) though so I'm looking to replace it for next summer.
Post by: Garyth on November 27, 2023, 02:58:47 PM
Thanks for bringing things back on-topic - Martinez is the king of the Asado!
Which is very much a direct heat & lid off type of situation, in my experience.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 27, 2023, 03:03:24 PM
I love lazy Sunday afternoons. Particularly when you get the BBQ on. What are people's thoughts on direct heat vs indirect heat and are you a lid-on or lid-off type of guy / gal?It's almost as if most people on this forum allow conversations to evolve naturally exactly as they should without feeling the need to lose their shit if it's a little off topic.
Like you’re having a lazy Sunday afternoon chat over some drinks where the conversation takes in about 20 things, none of which are the thing you started talking about and that’s kind of the point.
Why are you talking about BBQ's when it's 5 degrees outside? You should be talking about hotpots and soups. What's your favourite hot pot? I think mine's Lamb.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 27, 2023, 03:04:55 PM
I do love a lamb curry though. 45 mins is about right to get it melt in your mouth.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 27, 2023, 03:05:38 PM
Post by: 85kota on November 27, 2023, 03:05:44 PM
It's almost as if most people on this forum allow conversations to evolve naturally exactly as they should without feeling the need to lose their shit if it's a little off topic.
As I've said to footy a few times if you don't like it maybe Villatalk with it's far more aggressive moderation is a better fit for you.
You are the Alan Brazil of H&V!
If you don't like it, there's Radio 4!
Superb analogy, Paul!
Post by: chrisw1 on November 27, 2023, 03:07:38 PM
I'm sorry, but we're talking about BBQs and hot-pots. What has Alan Brazil got to do with this?It's almost as if most people on this forum allow conversations to evolve naturally exactly as they should without feeling the need to lose their shit if it's a little off topic.
As I've said to footy a few times if you don't like it maybe Villatalk with it's far more aggressive moderation is a better fit for you.
You are the Alan Brazil of H&V!
If you don't like it, there's Radio 4!
Superb analogy, Paul!
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 27, 2023, 03:08:00 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 27, 2023, 03:10:08 PM
I'm sorry, but we're talking about BBQs and hot-pots. What has Alan Brazil got to do with this?It's almost as if most people on this forum allow conversations to evolve naturally exactly as they should without feeling the need to lose their shit if it's a little off topic.
As I've said to footy a few times if you don't like it maybe Villatalk with it's far more aggressive moderation is a better fit for you.
You are the Alan Brazil of H&V!
If you don't like it, there's Radio 4!
Superb analogy, Paul!
:-) LOL. Not that i like to use the term LOL but seeing as i just did.....
Post by: chrisw1 on November 27, 2023, 03:10:40 PM
Although i'd usually go Keema Naan, a peshwari is good with a lamb curry. One of my favourite meals actually.I can strongly recommend this Anjam Anand recipe - although I tend to double the quantities as I like more sauce (you don't need to double the whole spices or chilli - maybe x 1.5)
https://redhotcurry.com/lamb-piazza-anjum-anand/
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 27, 2023, 03:12:03 PM
Post by: AV84 on November 27, 2023, 03:16:51 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 27, 2023, 03:24:32 PM
What is a hotpot exactly? My sole knowledge of them comes from Betty's hotpots on Corrie. Is it just stew with spuds on top? Like shepherd's pie but with chunks instead of mince?
It is that, but it’s better than that.
Post by: paul_e on November 27, 2023, 03:29:03 PM
I'm sorry, but we're talking about BBQs and hot-pots. What has Alan Brazil got to do with this?It's almost as if most people on this forum allow conversations to evolve naturally exactly as they should without feeling the need to lose their shit if it's a little off topic.
As I've said to footy a few times if you don't like it maybe Villatalk with it's far more aggressive moderation is a better fit for you.
You are the Alan Brazil of H&V!
If you don't like it, there's Radio 4!
Superb analogy, Paul!
To be fair with his complexion he might well have been stuck in a BBQ for a while and he's certainly never said no to seconds when he's getting a hot pot.
Post by: Axl Rose on November 27, 2023, 03:31:25 PM
I'm sorry, but we're talking about BBQs and hot-pots. What has Alan Brazil got to do with this?It's almost as if most people on this forum allow conversations to evolve naturally exactly as they should without feeling the need to lose their shit if it's a little off topic.
As I've said to footy a few times if you don't like it maybe Villatalk with it's far more aggressive moderation is a better fit for you.
You are the Alan Brazil of H&V!
If you don't like it, there's Radio 4!
Superb analogy, Paul!
To be fair with his complexion he might well have been stuck in a BBQ for a while and he's certainly never said no to seconds when he's getting a hot pot.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/vbaze4/boss-dunks-employees-face-in-boiling-hot-pot-in-latest-sign-that-japans-toxic-work-culture-needs-to-change
Post by: Risso on November 27, 2023, 04:05:48 PM
What is a hotpot exactly? My sole knowledge of them comes from Betty's hotpots on Corrie. Is it just stew with spuds on top? Like shepherd's pie but with chunks instead of mince?
Lancashire hotpot is basically lamb stew (ie chunks not mince) with sliced potatoes on the top, unlike shepherd's pie which has mince. You can add carrots and the like but traditionally I think it's just lamb and onions. Typically served with pickled cabbage. A big favourite in our house.
Post by: Risso on November 27, 2023, 04:06:19 PM
https://www.vice.com/en/article/vbaze4/boss-dunks-employees-face-in-boiling-hot-pot-in-latest-sign-that-japans-toxic-work-culture-needs-to-change
Who pissed you off mate?!
Post by: nigel on November 27, 2023, 04:07:09 PM
But why are we discussing Watkins in Emi's thread? The forum is out of control at times.
Much better to stay on topic.
Please accept our humble, heart-felt collective apology.
He should try the transfer rumours thread.
5 pages on the attributes of Robbie Williams and George Michael
Post by: Dave on November 27, 2023, 04:11:09 PM
What is a hotpot exactly? My sole knowledge of them comes from Betty's hotpots on Corrie. Is it just stew with spuds on top? Like shepherd's pie but with chunks instead of mince?
Lancashire hotpot is basically lamb stew (ie chunks not mince) with sliced potatoes on the top, unlike shepherd's pie which has mince. You can add carrots and the like but traditionally I think it's just lamb and onions. Typically served with pickled cabbage. A big favourite in our house.
And to divert off on Axl's tangent, an Asian hotpot is a big bowl of soup that you cook your own meat / fish / vegetables in, fondue style.
Lancashire is more hearty, Asian is more fun in my experience.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 27, 2023, 04:13:42 PM
I'm sorry, but we're talking about BBQs and hot-pots. What has Alan Brazil got to do with this?It's almost as if most people on this forum allow conversations to evolve naturally exactly as they should without feeling the need to lose their shit if it's a little off topic.
As I've said to footy a few times if you don't like it maybe Villatalk with it's far more aggressive moderation is a better fit for you.
You are the Alan Brazil of H&V!
If you don't like it, there's Radio 4!
Superb analogy, Paul!
To be fair with his complexion he might well have been stuck in a BBQ for a while and he's certainly never said no to seconds when he's getting a hot pot.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/vbaze4/boss-dunks-employees-face-in-boiling-hot-pot-in-latest-sign-that-japans-toxic-work-culture-needs-to-change
I don't like the sound of 80-100 hours overtime per month but the idea of 'booze soaked after hours events' wouldn't be so bad.
Post by: AV84 on November 27, 2023, 04:26:50 PM
What is a hotpot exactly? My sole knowledge of them comes from Betty's hotpots on Corrie. Is it just stew with spuds on top? Like shepherd's pie but with chunks instead of mince?
Lancashire hotpot is basically lamb stew (ie chunks not mince) with sliced potatoes on the top, unlike shepherd's pie which has mince. You can add carrots and the like but traditionally I think it's just lamb and onions. Typically served with pickled cabbage. A big favourite in our house.
Chunks instead of mince, and sliced instead of mash. Got it. Does sound nice right enough. Can I put brown sauce on it?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 27, 2023, 04:37:02 PM
What is a hotpot exactly? My sole knowledge of them comes from Betty's hotpots on Corrie. Is it just stew with spuds on top? Like shepherd's pie but with chunks instead of mince?
Lancashire hotpot is basically lamb stew (ie chunks not mince) with sliced potatoes on the top, unlike shepherd's pie which has mince. You can add carrots and the like but traditionally I think it's just lamb and onions. Typically served with pickled cabbage. A big favourite in our house.
And to divert off on Axl's tangent, an Asian hotpot is a big bowl of soup that you cook your own meat / fish / vegetables in, fondue style.
Lancashire is more hearty, Asian is more fun in my experience.
Think Asian hotspots are more Axl's thing, but I agree with the rest of your post.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 27, 2023, 04:42:46 PM
You are the Alan Brazil of H&V!
If you don't like it, there's Radio 4!
Superb analogy, Paul!
I'm sorry, but we're talking about BBQs and hot-pots. What has Alan Brazil got to do with this?
Like in Argentina, BBQs (or churrascos) are very popular in Brazil.
Post by: Cropley10 on November 27, 2023, 05:09:40 PM
Shows what he knows,cos I cannot remember ever seeing a better goalkeeping performance than Dibu's yesterday
Post by: dave shelley on November 27, 2023, 05:30:12 PM
Post by: Bad English on November 27, 2023, 05:35:31 PM
MyFTFY.friendmaaaate commented on how poor Ollie's movement was
Post by: Axl Rose on November 28, 2023, 02:51:29 AM
https://www.vice.com/en/article/vbaze4/boss-dunks-employees-face-in-boiling-hot-pot-in-latest-sign-that-japans-toxic-work-culture-needs-to-change
Who pissed you off mate?!
😂
I was slightly down about footy politely rejecting my request for a Grealish song to the tune of 'My Heart Will Go On'...
Post by: Rory on November 28, 2023, 03:39:42 AM
https://www.vice.com/en/article/vbaze4/boss-dunks-employees-face-in-boiling-hot-pot-in-latest-sign-that-japans-toxic-work-culture-needs-to-change
Who pissed you off mate?!
😂
I was slightly down about footy politely rejecting my request for a Grealish song to the tune of 'My Heart Will Go On'...
I wanted Stairway to Emery, but no such luck.
Post by: Clampy on November 28, 2023, 07:06:48 AM
https://www.vice.com/en/article/vbaze4/boss-dunks-employees-face-in-boiling-hot-pot-in-latest-sign-that-japans-toxic-work-culture-needs-to-change
Who pissed you off mate?!
😂
I was slightly down about footy politely rejecting my request for a Grealish song to the tune of 'My Heart Will Go On'...
I wasn't 😀.
Post by: Axl Rose on November 28, 2023, 07:23:42 AM
https://www.vice.com/en/article/vbaze4/boss-dunks-employees-face-in-boiling-hot-pot-in-latest-sign-that-japans-toxic-work-culture-needs-to-change
Who pissed you off mate?!
😂
I was slightly down about footy politely rejecting my request for a Grealish song to the tune of 'My Heart Will Go On'...
I wasn't 😀.
😂 I won't let it go....
Now there's an idea for a song title..
Stairway to Emery, haha. Put a request in, Rory!
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 28, 2023, 07:51:05 AM
Blame it on the moonlight
Blame it on the good times
Blame Unai Emery.
Post by: dave shelley on November 28, 2023, 09:01:59 AM
Unai, Unai, Unai ay
Unai, Unai, Unai ay
Over the hill with swords of a thousand men.
Swords of a Thousand Men by Ten Pole Tudor.
I'll leave it to any budding Ira Gershwin to jig the lyrics and add a suitable verse.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 29, 2023, 11:21:35 PM
I didn't want to give up, but I was basically instructed not to, and I appreciate that it's possible that's what people don't want to hear/read.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/vbaze4/boss-dunks-employees-face-in-boiling-hot-pot-in-latest-sign-that-japans-toxic-work-culture-needs-to-change
Who pissed you off mate?!
😂
I was slightly down about footy politely rejecting my request for a Grealish song to the tune of 'My Heart Will Go On'...
As a result, the original is Celine Dion number isn't going ahead and it was the song it's all coming back to me now. Maybe if we win against Manchester City or can agree to share it, and I can work on my heart will go on for you
Especially since everyone's mood would be elevated, it's just an extra plus.
If we won the league, I will release Los Del Ro's Macarena song for Emery. Have the lyrics in Spanish and everything!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 29, 2023, 11:25:32 PM
If we won the league, I will release Los Del Ro's Macarena song for Emery. Have the lyrics in Spanish and everything!
I now want Citeh to win the league. That makes me sad.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 29, 2023, 11:30:11 PM
If we won the league, I will release Los Del Ro's Macarena song for Emery. Have the lyrics in Spanish and everything!
I now want Citeh to win the league. That makes me sad.
Can I respectfully ask to stop poking fun at me at every opportunity!
Please Stop! I've asked mods now time and again to respectfully for people to leave me posting in peace without fear so why the insensitive and snide comment. No need! Stop it!
Post by: PeterWithe on November 30, 2023, 05:33:45 PM
Rather than a big stirred concoction.
Post by: Somniloquism on November 30, 2023, 05:35:18 PM
I cant remember where I learnt it now but I was taught that a Lancashire Hot Pot had to be done with layers. Onions, carrots, sliced spuds, lamb or mutton next, sliced spuds.
Rather than a big stirred concoction.
Didn't Betty say that on Corrie?
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 30, 2023, 06:54:38 PM
I cant remember where I learnt it now but I was taught that a Lancashire Hot Pot had to be done with layers. Onions, carrots, sliced spuds, lamb or mutton neck, sliced spuds.It is baked in an oven not cooked in a pot like stew.
Rather than a big stirred concoction.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 30, 2023, 06:57:00 PM
I cant remember where I learnt it now but I was taught that a Lancashire Hot Pot had to be done with layers. Onions, carrots, sliced spuds, lamb or mutton next, sliced spuds.
Rather than a big stirred concoction.
Didn't Betty say that on Corrie?
no her secret went with her to the grave I think
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 30, 2023, 07:05:08 PM
I cant remember where I learnt it now but I was taught that a Lancashire Hot Pot had to be done with layers. Onions, carrots, sliced spuds, lamb or mutton neck, sliced spuds.It is baked in an oven not cooked in a pot like stew.
Rather than a big stirred concoction.
Either way it's disgusting. It's no surprise you don't see it often outside of Lancashire.
Post by: PeterWithe on November 30, 2023, 07:23:05 PM
Post by: Risso on November 30, 2023, 09:58:50 PM
I cant remember where I learnt it now but I was taught that a Lancashire Hot Pot had to be done with layers. Onions, carrots, sliced spuds, lamb or mutton neck, sliced spuds.It is baked in an oven not cooked in a pot like stew.
Rather than a big stirred concoction.
Either way it's disgusting. It's no surprise you don't see it often outside of Lancashire.
Back to your salty fish, peasant! ;)
Post by: UK Redsox on December 01, 2023, 05:26:08 PM
According to this article Emi is at best bang average and the Man Utd bloke is the second best keeper in the league :o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67587754
Post by: OCD on December 01, 2023, 05:28:55 PM
Post by: Hillbilly on December 03, 2023, 03:47:24 AM
Post by: supertom on December 06, 2023, 10:39:38 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 06, 2023, 10:40:30 PM
Post by: darren woolley on December 07, 2023, 06:23:12 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 09, 2023, 09:52:39 PM
Post by: Smirker on December 09, 2023, 10:04:22 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 09, 2023, 10:16:21 PM
He's a leader and a winner.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 09, 2023, 10:18:08 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on December 09, 2023, 10:37:30 PM
Genuinely wouldn't swap him for any other keeper in the world.
He's a leader and a winner.
If there's a better 'keeper in the world right now, I've yet to see him.
It's not just his shot-stopping, distribution, and technical ease on the ball.
It's his sheer, balls-to-the-wall arrogance and dominance of his area. You can't train a player to have that, it's innate. He's priceless.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 09, 2023, 10:41:02 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 09, 2023, 10:49:36 PM
Genuinely wouldn't swap him for any other keeper in the world.
He's a leader and a winner.
Agreed. Plus he's a bit mad which I absolutely love.
Post by: Smirker on December 09, 2023, 10:54:17 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 09, 2023, 11:00:55 PM
Moreno had to restrain Emi!
But rightfully aggrieved after poor play by a frustrated Havertz.
Post by: Matt C on December 09, 2023, 11:11:15 PM
Post by: Dave on December 09, 2023, 11:12:38 PM
He was ten yards from goal and put it hard, low and towards the corner- that the keeper is brilliant enough to preempt where he's going to go and hold onto it as well is all on the keeper, not the attacker who has "put it straight at him".
Great work Emi.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 09, 2023, 11:41:49 PM
Post by: Matt C on December 10, 2023, 01:01:15 AM
Post by: LeeB on December 10, 2023, 01:02:05 AM
Did he wave at the Tarquins at the end and then kiss the Villa badge?
Yes!
Post by: Matt C on December 10, 2023, 01:02:59 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 10, 2023, 01:07:18 AM
Did he wave at the Tarquins at the end and then kiss the Villa badge?
Yes!
Gotta love him!
The best bit being, as PWA points out, if they had him they'd probably win the league.
Post by: VillaTim on December 10, 2023, 01:10:44 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on December 10, 2023, 01:12:48 AM
Did he wave at the Tarquins at the end and then kiss the Villa badge?
Yes!
Didn't see him kiss the badge, but he stood there on his own for a good minute or so waving and clapping at them as they left.
Needless to say, they didn't take it very well!
Post by: LeeB on December 10, 2023, 01:13:06 AM
Martinez is the boss. i know McGinn is El Capitano but this guy is the true leader and he loves Villa . We are very blessed
He the best in the world by any measure by a country mile.
Post by: Rory on December 10, 2023, 01:14:17 AM
Post by: VillaTim on December 10, 2023, 01:15:16 AM
What a signing. He loves the club.Martinez is the boss. i know McGinn is El Capitano but this guy is the true leader and he loves Villa . We are very blessed
He the best in the world by any measure by a country mile.
Post by: Perthvillan on December 10, 2023, 04:18:21 AM
I'm sure our victory was very sweet for him and SUE.
UTV
Post by: JD on December 10, 2023, 05:24:21 AM
I think we have a Mellberg or Carew type in Emi. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he's there in the stands in fifteen years, cheering us on.
I totally agree with this this Rory. A private box with a retired Emi and retired Super John would be a brilliant day out. I'd pay thousands for that opportunity (and probably die happy).
Post by: Risso on December 10, 2023, 09:29:48 AM
Might be in a minority, but thought his save from Odegaard was great, and better than his Haaland saves on Wednesday.
He was ten yards from goal and put it hard, low and towards the corner- that the keeper is brilliant enough to preempt where he's going to go and hold onto it as well is all on the keeper, not the attacker who has "put it straight at him".
Great work Emi.
Agreed, we said the same at the match last night. He pre-empted the strike and in doing so made it look a lot easier than it actually was.
I love the fact that he's said that Villa are in the title race. You'd expect Unai to want to keep a lid on things, but it's good to hear the likes of Emi sticking his neck out.
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 10, 2023, 09:34:30 AM
Might be in a minority, but thought his save from Odegaard was great, and better than his Haaland saves on Wednesday.
He was ten yards from goal and put it hard, low and towards the corner- that the keeper is brilliant enough to preempt where he's going to go and hold onto it as well is all on the keeper, not the attacker who has "put it straight at him".
Great work Emi.
Yea, he’s said ‘I’m a believer’! Love him.
Agreed, we said the same at the match last night. He pre-empted the strike and in doing so made it look a lot easier than it actually was.
I love the fact that he's said that Villa are in the title race. You'd expect Unai to want to keep a lid on things, but it's good to hear the likes of Emi sticking his neck out.
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 10, 2023, 09:35:16 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 10, 2023, 09:35:40 AM
Post by: IFWaters on December 10, 2023, 09:39:46 AM
I'm a believer mate 💪
Post by: Risso on December 10, 2023, 10:44:55 AM
Did he wave at the Tarquins at the end and then kiss the Villa badge?
Yes!
Gotta love him!
The best bit being, as PWA points out, if they had him they'd probably win the league.
I also love how much they've had to spend to end up with two keepers, neither of whom are anywhere near as good as Emi.
Post by: AV84 on December 10, 2023, 10:48:28 AM
Did he wave at the Tarquins at the end and then kiss the Villa badge?
Yes!
Gotta love him!
The best bit being, as PWA points out, if they had him they'd probably win the league.
I also love how much they've had to spend to end up with two keepers, neither of whom are anywhere near as good as Emi.
Ramsdale will probably end up going to one of their rivals too, which sets up for another Martinez like situation when he comes back to haunt them.
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 10, 2023, 11:23:39 AM
Following the match, Unai also praised Martínez for his exceptional performance in goalkeeping and his dedication to maintaining a high standard of conduct.
They respect each other in a healthy way, in my opinion.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on December 10, 2023, 12:18:14 PM
As the great man said tonight, “we are not just here to take part”
A great interview on MOTD. Some of the lines he came out with were almost “do you want to bet against us?” levels of
confidence/self belief/arrogance. Lovely stuff!
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on December 10, 2023, 12:35:08 PM
Post by: nigel on December 10, 2023, 01:17:46 PM
As the great man said tonight, “we are not just here to take part”
A great interview on MOTD. Some of the lines he came out with were almost “do you want to bet against us?” levels of
confidence/self belief/arrogance. Lovely stuff!
That interview was brilliant.
If he’d have come out with “do you want to bet against us?” I wouldn’t have been surprised, but I’ll settle for “I’m a believer, mate”😂
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 10, 2023, 01:29:56 PM
As the great man said tonight, “we are not just here to take part”
A great interview on MOTD. Some of the lines he came out with were almost “do you want to bet against us?” levels of
confidence/self belief/arrogance. Lovely stuff!
I'd like to see this interview.
He's always great in them.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 10, 2023, 02:02:40 PM
As the great man said tonight, “we are not just here to take part”
A great interview on MOTD. Some of the lines he came out with were almost “do you want to bet against us?” levels of
confidence/self belief/arrogance. Lovely stuff!
I'd like to see this interview.
He's always great in them.
If you are in the UK, MOTD on iplayer, 28 minutes in.
Transcript is:
Interviewer: "The manager said midweek that if we win again at the weekend, we are in the title race, is that how the players feel as well?"
Greatest Keeper in the World: "Yeah of course. When you beat City and Arsenal in a week, one game controlling them, like I have never seen Man City being controlled, then suffering against Arsenal for 85 minuites and managing to win again, I'm a believer mate!"
Post by: Ian. on December 10, 2023, 02:04:46 PM
Post by: Risso on December 10, 2023, 02:07:33 PM
He’s bloody ace. I’m stealing that line for my signature!
Oi, I did it first!
Post by: Somniloquism on December 10, 2023, 02:08:47 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 10, 2023, 02:12:17 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 11, 2023, 12:50:18 PM
As the great man said tonight, “we are not just here to take part”
A great interview on MOTD. Some of the lines he came out with were almost “do you want to bet against us?” levels of
confidence/self belief/arrogance. Lovely stuff!
I'd like to see this interview.
He's always great in them.
If you are in the UK, MOTD on iplayer, 28 minutes in.
Transcript is:
Interviewer: "The manager said midweek that if we win again at the weekend, we are in the title race, is that how the players feel as well?"
Greatest Keeper in the World: "Yeah of course. When you beat City and Arsenal in a week, one game controlling them, like I have never seen Man City being controlled, then suffering against Arsenal for 85 minuites and managing to win again, I'm a believer mate!"
I didn't see the game due to being in Large London having a, how to say, Large time. I got back last night and the only thing I remember of the previous 72 hours is that interview. What a fucking man he is.
Post by: Smithy on December 11, 2023, 01:38:04 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/MD1fvFZ/emi-believer-T-shirt.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MD1fvFZ)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 11, 2023, 03:17:14 PM
This is my new lucky T-shirt, which will be worn while watching games on TV...
(https://i.ibb.co/MD1fvFZ/emi-believer-T-shirt.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MD1fvFZ)
I want one, no, I want two! How do I get them?
Post by: Drummond on December 11, 2023, 03:47:55 PM
Is his new nickname "The fifth Monkee"?
There's a song to sing...
Post by: Ian. on December 11, 2023, 03:50:14 PM
I don’t believe youHe’s bloody ace. I’m stealing that line for my signature!
Oi, I did it first!
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 11, 2023, 04:02:59 PM
Did he wave at the Tarquins at the end and then kiss the Villa badge?
Yes!
Gotta love him!
The best bit being, as PWA points out, if they had him they'd probably win the league.
I also love how much they've had to spend to end up with two keepers, neither of whom are anywhere near as good as Emi.
Reminds me of a match report I read back in the day which said the same about Man Utd spending a fortune on centre-halves to replace McGrath - “and none of them are in the same class”.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on December 11, 2023, 09:10:16 PM
Post by: Risso on December 11, 2023, 10:03:10 PM
I don’t believe youHe’s bloody ace. I’m stealing that line for my signature!
Oi, I did it first!
Didn't you see my face?
Post by: Smithy on December 12, 2023, 12:26:26 PM
This is my new lucky T-shirt, which will be worn while watching games on TV...
(https://i.ibb.co/MD1fvFZ/emi-believer-T-shirt.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MD1fvFZ)
I want one, no, I want two! How do I get them?
Oh, I didn't buy it. I just knocked up quickly and I'm having it printed as we speak. Happy to send you the print file so you can upload it and get one printed at the T-shirt company of your choice?
When I'm teaching myself new stuff for work (in this case Adobe illustrator techniques), I always use Villa-related stuff to practise on, so whatever I produce will have a use and it doesn't go to waste. This is my Peter Withe T-shirt, again, not for sale anywhere, just my own design from playing around with vector tracing a couple of years ago :-)
(https://i.ibb.co/qdy8gpn/241962788-10158655897807371-4629030836504416278-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qdy8gpn)
Post by: Neil Hawkes on December 12, 2023, 05:44:22 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 12, 2023, 07:49:08 PM
This is my new lucky T-shirt, which will be worn while watching games on TV...
(https://i.ibb.co/MD1fvFZ/emi-believer-T-shirt.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MD1fvFZ)
I want one, no, I want two! How do I get them?
Oh, I didn't buy it. I just knocked up quickly and I'm having it printed as we speak. Happy to send you the print file so you can upload it and get one printed at the T-shirt company of your choice?
When I'm teaching myself new stuff for work (in this case Adobe illustrator techniques), I always use Villa-related stuff to practise on, so whatever I produce will have a use and it doesn't go to waste. This is my Peter Withe T-shirt, again, not for sale anywhere, just my own design from playing around with vector tracing a couple of years ago :-)
(https://i.ibb.co/qdy8gpn/241962788-10158655897807371-4629030836504416278-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qdy8gpn)
Thats ace Smithy
Post by: purpletrousers on December 16, 2023, 05:37:53 PM
( I shared the reservations of whether it was a priority)
Strong foresight to the post below…
I have misgivings about this. Maybe Heaton's rehabilitation is behind schedule or not going to plan.
Personally I'd have looked at someone like Fraser Forster as a capable number two to step in and use the money in other areas.
But the guy seems driven to establish himself as Argentina's no 1 and Arsenal fans are pissed off at the prospect of losing him.
Good signs.
If I had limitless £ I’d be asking for the d Believer graphics for a t-shirt :D
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 16, 2023, 05:47:14 PM
Post by: darren woolley on December 16, 2023, 05:54:06 PM
This is my new lucky T-shirt, which will be worn while watching games on TV...
(https://i.ibb.co/MD1fvFZ/emi-believer-T-shirt.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MD1fvFZ)
I also want one very nice indeed.
Post by: Risso on December 16, 2023, 06:17:45 PM
Every signings thread is filled with a comment or two that you look back at and cringe. Some players seem brilliant when we signed them and then they don’t pan out. Scott Hogan for example falls a little into that category. Most were quite happy when he signed. Loads of goals at Brentford and an attempt by the club spending money to get back up. And then there are ones that raise an eyebrow that turn out really well. Signings are often such a crap shoot and all depends on the environment the player comes into. I love where we are now. Just have the feeling whoever we sign the vast majority will work out.
Look at Ross McCormack. At the time we signed him, he was just about as guaranteed a goal machine in the Championship as you could get, with 66 league goals over his previous 3 seasons. He literally couldn't stop scoring for both Leeds and Fulham. Then of course the moment he signs for us, he turns into the fattest, wastiest of fat wasters.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 16, 2023, 06:34:40 PM
Brilliant mate.This is my new lucky T-shirt, which will be worn while watching games on TV...
(https://i.ibb.co/MD1fvFZ/emi-believer-T-shirt.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MD1fvFZ)
I want one, no, I want two! How do I get them?
Oh, I didn't buy it. I just knocked up quickly and I'm having it printed as we speak. Happy to send you the print file so you can upload it and get one printed at the T-shirt company of your choice?
When I'm teaching myself new stuff for work (in this case Adobe illustrator techniques), I always use Villa-related stuff to practise on, so whatever I produce will have a use and it doesn't go to waste. This is my Peter Withe T-shirt, again, not for sale anywhere, just my own design from playing around with vector tracing a couple of years ago :-)
(https://i.ibb.co/qdy8gpn/241962788-10158655897807371-4629030836504416278-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qdy8gpn)
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 16, 2023, 07:55:08 PM
Every signings thread is filled with a comment or two that you look back at and cringe. Some players seem brilliant when we signed them and then they don’t pan out. Scott Hogan for example falls a little into that category. Most were quite happy when he signed. Loads of goals at Brentford and an attempt by the club spending money to get back up. And then there are ones that raise an eyebrow that turn out really well. Signings are often such a crap shoot and all depends on the environment the player comes into. I love where we are now. Just have the feeling whoever we sign the vast majority will work out.
Look at Ross McCormack. At the time we signed him, he was just about as guaranteed a goal machine in the Championship as you could get, with 66 league goals over his previous 3 seasons. He literally couldn't stop scoring for both Leeds and Fulham. Then of course the moment he signs for us, he turns into the fattest, wastiest of fat wasters.
The Villa poster boy for complete fucking waste of good oxygen.
Post by: jwarry on December 17, 2023, 08:44:57 AM
There aren’t many footballers that can be so disliked by some that they get called the most hated player in the world and so loved by others that they have a prehistoric frog named in their honour.
Emiliano Martínez has the privilege of both, as an undisputed hero in Argentina, where palaeontologists in Buenos Aires saluted his work at last year’s World Cup by labelling a recently discovered amphibian “Lepidobatrachus Dibumartinez” — “Dibu” being Martínez’s nickname — and at the same time such a villain in France, where the former defender Adil Rami said Martínez was “the most hated man” and “the biggest son of a bitch in football”.
At the Ballon d’Or ceremony in Paris in October, Martínez was booed while on stage holding the award for the world’s best goalkeeper, prompting the co-host, Didier Drogba, to ask those in attendance “to show the athletes some respect”.
At Villa Park last weekend, as Aston Villa closed in on a 15th home victory in a row to continue their remarkable start to the season, Arsenal’s Kai Havertz vented his frustration by barging into Martínez, the pair locking foreheads while the adoring Villa supporters chanted their goalkeeper’s name.
It is not difficult to see why Martínez rubs people up the wrong way. It was a year ago on Monday that Argentina’s goalkeeper was indulging in all of the darkest arts to disturb France in that decisive penalty shoot-out in Qatar. He hurled the ball away to force Aurélien Tchouameni to go and fetch it and then celebrated by thrusting the tournament’s goalkeeper prize — a golden glove — out from his crotch. In the changing rooms, Martínez
taunted Kylian Mbappé and on the bus parade, he cradled a doll with the striker’s face on it. Even Unai Emery was unimpressed. “I will speak to him next week about some of his celebrations,” the Villa head coach said.
Yet there is another side to Martínez, the side that makes him hugely popular in the changing room at Villa and not just with the Spanish-speaking group, who often go out for dinner together. Martínez gives new signings advice about where to live and what schools they should send their children to. When Emery holds team meetings and asks the players for feedback, Martínez is regularly one of the players who speaks up. When Martínez was allowed to choose one person to sit with him at the Ballon d’Or ceremony, he asked Villa’s goalkeeper coach, Javi García, as a show of gratitude.
Those close to Martínez insist they don’t recognise this perception of him as brash and provocative. “Cheat? He is a winner,” said one source that works with him. They say Martínez enjoys nothing more than to spend time with his wife, two children and three dogs and point to his close connection with his home town, Mar del Plata, where he has launched a community club for struggling teenagers. When Martínez went back there last summer to renew his passport, he spent half an hour posing for photos in the administration office.
There was a shift back in 2019, when Martínez was on the last of six loan spells from Arsenal, at Reading. He not only helped Reading to stave off relegation from the Championship but said he found his inner belief at the Madjeski Stadium.
Martínez found it easier to feel
confident on the pitch when he adopted an ultra-confident persona. “The best thing that Reading loan taught me was to be arrogant on the pitch,” Martínez said. “It’s not that arrogance where you know you’re the best, it’s the arrogance that gives you the confidence to show it.”
That mindset change coincided with Martínez seeing a psychologist, David Priestley, who once helped the Saracens centre, Sam Stanley, navigate a long-term injury by recommending he sing in a choir for the homeless. Martínez still speaks to Priestley two or three times a week, including before and after matches. Before Argentina’s quarter-final victory over Holland at the World Cup, they spoke about how Louis van Gaal said his Holland team would have the advantage if the game went to penalties. They discussed how best to use it as motivation, before Argentina defeated Holland on spot-kicks, with Martínez saving two of them.
Emery has always believed in Martínez and even tried to take him with him from Arsenal to Villarreal. But he has also played a key role in smoothing out the 31-year-old’s rougher edges. When Martínez was weighing up his last loan away from Arsenal, Emery recommended rejecting an offer from Leeds United to go to Reading, where the pressure would be higher because they were lower down the table. Last season, when Martínez marauded upfield in an attempt to score a late equaliser, Emery scolded him for a lack of discipline. “I want a serious team; disciplined, tactical,” Emery told The Times in October.
Martínez’s relationship with Emery has been pivotal at Villa. While Emery is certainly colder and more methodical, they share a fierce intensity, focus and will to win. One source at Villa describes them as “two obsessives”. That resilience has always been there for Martínez, from when he kept attending trials as a teenager after being rejected by River Plate and Boca Juniors to when he was crying in his bunk bed while living away with Independiente. After leaving for England at 15, Arsenal placed him in a house with an English family but he asked to live alone so he could enjoy more independence.
Martínez’s antics — the time-wasting, the wind-ups, the penalty tricks — are all part of the package, central to his belief that the extraction of maximum advantage while staying within the rules is nothing more than finding a way to win. They also divert focus from his performance, not least the fact that he is ranked joint-first for goalkeeper sweepings this season in Europe’s five biggest leagues and first for goals per match prevented among the Premier League’s top seven.
For all the standout players at Villa, none is as irreplaceable to Emery as Martínez and few are as popular with the fans. And for all the noise around those misjudged celebrations, it was Martínez’s save from Randal Kolo Muani in the 123rd minute of the final in Qatar that prevented France from becoming world champions. Not even Lionel Messi has his name attached to a frog.
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 17, 2023, 09:55:47 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 17, 2023, 10:04:22 AM
In today’s Sunday Times.
There aren’t many footballers that can be so disliked by some that they get called the most hated player in the world and so loved by others that they have a prehistoric frog named in their honour....
I'm concerned they'll add Crazy Frog to the post-victory music at Villa Park. Still, it would be an improvement on Sweet Caroline.
Post by: Border villan on December 17, 2023, 11:29:04 AM
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Post by: AV84 on December 17, 2023, 12:38:22 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 17, 2023, 01:56:41 PM
Post by: Smirker on December 17, 2023, 04:12:22 PM
That pass back from Bailey that nearly went in ffs, probably his best moment. Easy to switch off and get caught out there.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 17, 2023, 04:23:11 PM
Post by: Risso on December 17, 2023, 04:27:32 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on December 17, 2023, 04:44:27 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 17, 2023, 05:05:30 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 17, 2023, 05:50:39 PM
https://x.com/avfc_vilr/status/1736441379490848893?s=46
Post by: BC Villain on December 17, 2023, 05:53:55 PM
He's a nobber, but he's our nobber! Take that fire and passion out of him and you'd have half a player.
True, but I've little doubt Emery will bollock him for it. Could have been sent off himself given the incompetence of the referee. Coote lost control of that game
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 17, 2023, 05:55:40 PM
Post by: Matt C on December 17, 2023, 05:59:13 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 17, 2023, 06:08:34 PM
I'm normally very supportive of everything he does but today he got a bit carried away and provoked a shitstorm.
Post by: Bad English on December 17, 2023, 06:09:41 PM
Post by: andyh on December 17, 2023, 06:11:15 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 17, 2023, 06:13:44 PM
Zzz
;)
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 17, 2023, 06:14:35 PM
Post by: Bad English on December 17, 2023, 06:15:28 PM
Post by: LukeJames on December 17, 2023, 06:41:15 PM
Fuck off MaupayJust look at Unai 😂
https://x.com/avfc_vilr/status/1736441379490848893?s=46
Post by: rougegorge on December 17, 2023, 06:42:13 PM
He was almost as childish as Maupay, which takes some doing, and all he ended up doing from then was lighting the touch paper for others to get involved.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 17, 2023, 06:57:20 PM
Post by: Mellin on December 17, 2023, 07:08:47 PM
Post by: Risso on December 17, 2023, 07:14:46 PM
Thought he over reacted when Maupay bumped into him and he shouldn’t have risen when he was flailing on the floor at the end of the game. I suppose in the heat of the moment it’s difficult but pricks like Maupay are best ignored.
That's the point, Maupay was wasting his own time. All Emi needed to do was put his foot on the ball and let Maupay lie there for as long as he wanted.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 17, 2023, 07:22:23 PM
Thought he over reacted when Maupay bumped into him and he shouldn’t have risen when he was flailing on the floor at the end of the game. I suppose in the heat of the moment it’s difficult but pricks like Maupay are best ignored.
That's the point, Maupay was wasting his own time. All Emi needed to do was put his foot on the ball and let Maupay lie there for as long as he wanted.
Given Emi is the king of shithousing he got sucked in by it and it led to him and SUE getting booked and Kamara getting a red.
Post by: Ian. on December 17, 2023, 07:49:26 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 17, 2023, 07:55:56 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 17, 2023, 08:04:27 PM
Post by: Risso on December 17, 2023, 08:06:51 PM
This was an episode in the game, the first this season, where Mings’ control of the situation was sorely missed. As much as I love SJM he doesn’t have Mings’ influence.
Mings has been known to drag people up by their shirt, a couple of incidents on Patrick Bamford spring to mind.
Post by: Bad English on December 17, 2023, 08:49:23 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2023, 12:04:01 AM
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/emiliano-martinez-argentina-celebrates-golden-783820441.jpg)
Post by: Louzie0 on December 18, 2023, 12:48:11 AM
He is the practical difference between a good try and complete success.
Post by: DrGonzo on December 18, 2023, 09:14:41 AM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on December 18, 2023, 09:22:53 AM
He cost us the Kamara red yesterday, but also made some world class saves which kept us in the game, enabling us to grab the 3 points. A compromise I'm willing to make... and I personally LOVE the entertainment you get with his shithousery! 😀
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2023, 09:24:41 AM
Please can we keep Dibu, our GK.
He is the practical difference between a good try and complete success.
This.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 18, 2023, 09:25:54 AM
Thought he over reacted when Maupay bumped into him...
This gets my vote for understatement of 2023 on H & V.
Post by: darren woolley on December 18, 2023, 10:04:23 AM
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Post by: PaulWinch again on December 18, 2023, 09:45:50 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 09:53:07 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 09:54:47 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 18, 2023, 10:09:14 PM
There’s not another keeper anywhere in the world I’d swap him for.
Agreed - he’s the difference between Argentina being good, but not winners and being winners. Not to say he’s more important than Messi, but he is what gave them that edge. It’s similar with us and I hope he carries us to a few trophies, and ideally the league this year.
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 10:15:43 PM
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2023, 10:24:42 PM
There’s not another keeper anywhere in the world I’d swap him for.
Agreed - he’s the difference between Argentina being good, but not winners and being winners. Not to say he’s more important than Messi, but he is what gave them that edge. It’s similar with us and I hope he carries us to a few trophies, and ideally the league this year.
Goalkeeping is as much about the mental side of things as it is the shot stopping, catching, etc. All the best goalkeepers are a bit odd, either super self-confident (bordering on arrogant) or clowns generally. Emi is both and it creates an aura about him which upsets opponents and bleeds into his own team. He's the best keeper in the league right now but it's hard to prove that because it's not about stats or saves, him being there is worth points to us.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 10:26:32 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2023, 10:43:46 PM
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Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 10:57:42 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on December 18, 2023, 11:12:31 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 18, 2023, 11:21:58 PM
Oh he’s a genius, I just die a little bit inside when he starts rolling around like an Italian winger
He’d be a complete and utter wanker if he did it for someone else. But he doesn’t so fuck everyone else and their feelings.
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 11:35:07 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 18, 2023, 11:37:49 PM
One year ago
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To be fair, France were there by invitation only. Home side; see England '66. It would have been an embarrassment to world football should they have won.
Post by: Rory on December 19, 2023, 12:22:51 AM
I love it personally, finally after years of being mugged off we have the absolute king shithouse who's also the absolute king at his actual job.
I'd like him even if he played for someone else, I think.
I've never liked violent players, like Keane or Vinnie Jones, but there's something I find so enjoyable about a player who just does not care about being called a dickhead by all and sundry. Emi really does not give a shit, and finds it funny winding people up.
Whisper it, but I actually quite liked Savage for the same reason - the difference being that Savage was a pretty bog-standard workhorse midfielder for a series of shit clubs and Emi is the best goalkeeper in the world playing for the greatest club in the world.
Post by: Rory on December 19, 2023, 12:24:15 AM
One year ago
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Given the magnitude of the moment, one of the best saves I've ever seen.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 19, 2023, 12:26:17 AM
One year ago
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Given the magnitude of the moment, one of the best saves I've ever seen.
That final was incredible.
Absolutely shite for 45 minutes (or whatever it was), and then the rest of it one of the most exciting finals ever. It had everything.
I fucking love that insane shit-housing bastard.
Post by: Rory on December 19, 2023, 12:40:51 AM
One year ago
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Given the magnitude of the moment, one of the best saves I've ever seen.
That final was incredible.
Absolutely shite for 45 minutes (or whatever it was), and then the rest of it one of the most exciting finals ever. It had everything.
I fucking love that insane shit-housing bastard.
Same Paulie, the man is a legend.
Post by: VillaTim on December 19, 2023, 12:48:31 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 19, 2023, 01:47:07 AM
Post by: Rory on December 19, 2023, 02:46:29 AM
That save will forever be considered one of the greatest, if not the greatest of all time. Not just the skill required, but the sheer magnitude of the moment, but at the most crucial moment in the final of greatest competition of the sport itself. And he has never forgotten where he came from, who he plays his club football for and everything he is grateful for in getting to that moment. There are no words to articulate what and how much he means to us.
Honestly, TV, I think it's underrated. I won't claim a conspiracy, but if he'd been playing for Man Utd or Liverpool, I don't think we would've heard the end of it.
Not to be too pretentious, but the first thing my postgrad tutor said to us was "you've proved yourself okay at explaining why certain things happened. I'm sure you're bored of that. Now let's consider why what didn't happen, didn't happen".
Emi crosses that line as a goalkeeper. He doesn't just know what an attacker is trying to do and why; he either anticipates their next move or, when he's at his best, he manipulates them into doing what they don't want to do.
That save in the WC final was a prime example. There was no angle, the guy was straight through. But it being the occasion it was, Emi knew he was looking for the easy option, so presented him with a low shot to his left. But he had it covered.
He has that knack for us. He doesn't just respond to where it's heading. He doesn't wait until the ball is kicked. He has a say on where it's heading, and more often than not, he knows full fucking well exactly where it's going, before it is.
Best goalkeeper in the world.
Post by: Bad English on December 19, 2023, 05:12:11 AM
Post by: DrGonzo on December 19, 2023, 05:06:36 PM
Whisper it, but I actually quite liked Savage
You and me outside now.
HE LIKES SAVAGE.
Post by: Rory on December 19, 2023, 05:16:07 PM
Whisper it, but I actually quite liked Savage
You and me outside now.
HE LIKES SAVAGE.
You've got to admit, his existence was worthwhile for that moment he was hit with the ball while on commentary at VP.
Edit: not sure what's happened to the quoting there.
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 19, 2023, 08:23:46 PM
One year ago
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Given the magnitude of the moment, one of the best saves I've ever seen.
Completely agree Rory. And didn’t every single Villa fan know, after that save when it went to penalties, there was only ever going to be one winner. Argentina were never losing that shootout with Emi in goals. Simply the greatest and if we ever going to win stuff it will be him in goals.
Post by: aldridgeboy on December 19, 2023, 08:26:09 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on December 20, 2023, 10:19:28 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/dec/19/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2023 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/dec/19/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2023)
Post by: Monty on December 20, 2023, 10:33:40 AM
Number 46 in the best male players list, according to the Grauniad.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/dec/19/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2023 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/dec/19/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2023)
Yeah not sure how seriously to take that list given some of the names in there...
Post by: Simon Page on December 20, 2023, 11:25:01 AM
Post by: Bad English on December 20, 2023, 12:42:07 PM
Jammy gets.One year ago
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Given the magnitude of the moment, one of the best saves I've ever seen.
Completely agree Rory. And didn’t every single Villa fan know, after that save when it went to penalties, there was only ever going to be one winner. Argentina were never losing that shootout with Emi in goals. Simply the greatest and if we ever going to win stuff it will be him in goals.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 20, 2023, 02:23:50 PM
Number 46 in the best male players list, according to the Grauniad.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/dec/19/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2023 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/dec/19/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2023)
Yeah not sure how seriously to take that list given some of the names in there...
James Maddison is 77, or as he refers to it, 19, 18, Double Top.
Post by: Mister E on December 20, 2023, 04:24:37 PM
Number 46 in the best male players list, according to the Grauniad.So, are they saying that he would not make a World XI currently? - puts the whole list into doubt.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/dec/19/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2023 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/dec/19/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2023)
And, if Emi is 46 will Dougie make the list at all? - with Ratfacenandez and Grealish in the 40's how can Doug not be in on current form?
Post by: Rigadon on December 21, 2023, 08:04:44 AM
Number 46 in the best male players list, according to the Grauniad.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/dec/19/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2023 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/dec/19/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2023)
Yeah not sure how seriously to take that list given some of the names in there...
Not quite as good as Kyle Walker.
Post by: Axl Rose on December 21, 2023, 08:20:43 AM
What's he doing in there by the way? ******
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 21, 2023, 06:11:00 PM
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Post by: Mister E on December 22, 2023, 07:23:42 AM
Courtois and Alisson above him in the list ... really???!!Number 46 in the best male players list, according to the Grauniad.So, are they saying that he would not make a World XI currently? - puts the whole list into doubt.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/dec/19/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2023 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/dec/19/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2023)
And, if Emi is 46 will Dougie make the list at all? - with Ratfacenandez and Grealish in the 40's how can Doug not be in on current form?
Dougie does not make the top 100 at all, yet Rice, Oodegaard and Saka are in the top 22!
Go - as our American colonial friends would say - figure.
Post by: Dogtanian on December 22, 2023, 08:23:39 AM
Courtois and Alisson above him in the list ... really???!!Number 46 in the best male players list, according to the Grauniad.So, are they saying that he would not make a World XI currently? - puts the whole list into doubt.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/dec/19/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2023 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/dec/19/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2023)
And, if Emi is 46 will Dougie make the list at all? - with Ratfacenandez and Grealish in the 40's how can Doug not be in on current form?
Dougie does not make the top 100 at all, yet Rice, Oodegaard and Saka are in the top 22!
Go - as our American colonial friends would say - figure.
I suspect the whole thing has been in progress for a while, and Villa and the players have only been good for a week or so, remember.
Post by: Bad English on December 22, 2023, 08:55:47 AM
*Any ideas or tips how to improve this file gratefully received.
(https://i.ibb.co/DY3HdcF/original-757d7e6c-112f-4c46-9adc-53c56fe6906e-PXL-20231222-110608608.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZSyp94r)
Post by: Risso on December 22, 2023, 11:06:22 AM
Post by: Bad English on December 22, 2023, 11:09:47 AM
Hands up who zoomed in to see if they were two folders of grot on Daz's laptop?Ha! Keep your desktop as clean as your underpants my nan used to say.
Post by: SaddVillan on December 22, 2023, 11:14:12 AM
Number 46 in the best male players list, according to the Grauniad.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/dec/19/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2023 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/dec/19/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2023)
Yeah not sure how seriously to take that list given some of the names in there...
They've got
Allieon - Liverpool and Brazil at 35
Marc-Andre ter Stegen - Barca and Germany - 34
Emerson- Man City and Brazil - 23
Definite case of "big club" bias.
Post by: SaddVillan on December 22, 2023, 11:15:29 AM
Number 46 in the best male players list, according to the Grauniad.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/dec/19/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2023 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/dec/19/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2023)
Yeah not sure how seriously to take that list given some of the names in there...
They've got
Allieon - Liverpool and Brazil at 35
Marc-Andre ter Stegen - Barca and Germany - 34
Emerson- Man City and Brazil - 23
Definite case of "big club" bias.
Allison
Post by: Drummond on December 22, 2023, 01:49:54 PM
Made a quick 'HD wallpaper' for my laptop. Sorry to all graphic design experts, Pablo, Paul...*
*Any ideas or tips how to improve this file gratefully received.
(https://i.ibb.co/qp5mCCH/PXL-20231222-085023578-MP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Xt8FDDn)
I like it. May I have one please sir?
Post by: Bad English on December 22, 2023, 02:22:50 PM
Post by: Drummond on December 22, 2023, 02:50:35 PM
Yes which resolution would you like? Mine is 1920x1080 px
That would nicely sir, thanks
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 22, 2023, 02:59:45 PM
Post by: Bad English on December 22, 2023, 03:22:35 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 22, 2023, 03:22:53 PM
Post by: Drummond on December 22, 2023, 03:29:40 PM
Yes with pleasure. I will put them up in a bit.
Fab, thanks
Post by: Bad English on December 22, 2023, 04:20:40 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/PYvLvV7/aston-villa-emi-believer-HD-2.png) (https://ibb.co/j5PNPjc)
(https://i.ibb.co/tpzMQJ7/aston-villa-emi-believer-HD.png) (https://ibb.co/LdrzYZL)
Album with the images (https://ibb.co/album/GnxX16)
I hope Smithy doesn't mind me reusing his work (he did post it on here so anyone could have nicked it).
Post by: algy on December 22, 2023, 04:23:31 PM
He's my favourite player. Possibly of all time.Yeah, mine too. Love everything about our Emi
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 22, 2023, 04:31:35 PM
Made a quick 'HD wallpaper' for my laptop. Sorry to all graphic design experts, Pablo, Paul...*
*Any ideas or tips how to improve this file gratefully received.
(https://i.ibb.co/qp5mCCH/PXL-20231222-085023578-MP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Xt8FDDn)
"That crop of Martinez at the bottom is an absolute disgrace to my design sensitivities!" 😂😉
Looks decent mate.
The only thing I would suggest is to play around with it until you are happy.
Make some bold decisions & undo them if they don't work.
Sometimes you get a happy accident... 👍
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 22, 2023, 06:34:06 PM
Post by: Bad English on December 23, 2023, 02:56:07 PM
I have just ordered this one.
Post by: Bad English on January 04, 2024, 10:42:12 AM
Home Screen
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Lock Screen
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Generic
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Post by: eamonn on January 26, 2024, 10:38:09 PM
Quote
Aston Villa goalkeeper Emiliano Martinez to BBC Sport: "We had a week off, and then you draw Chelsea away. We knew it was going to be tough but we had 6,000 supporters and we want to go on a cup run.
"We weren't a strong enough side to get the win today. They had chances and started the game really bright. They didn't score and then I think we had really, really good chances to win the game.
"But with the high line and balls in behind they are dangerous with quick players. I had to sweep a lot today, but we got the draw and play at home now.
"We made mistakes but our manager always gives us the confidence to keep trying and build out from the back. We are doing something right and doing well. Now we need to focus on Newcastle on Tuesday.
"I don't really enjoy [the sweeper role] but I am working on it. I'm really strong when we low block and the ball comes into the box. I feel really strong.
"But we play that way and I adapt. I have had training sessions on this with balls in behind and deciding when to go. With my national team and all my career I play low block, this is something new to me as well. I am adapting and doing something quite right.
"We want to give the fans a cup run, we want to give them the trophy, we want to give them Champions League. We had the best year in Villa history in terms of points last year. We want to give them something at the end of the season.
"That's why they come in numbers, they feel connected with the team. I feel the same way with the national team, with Argentina. We felt the same way with our fans and we repaid them with titles. I feel something similar here."
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 26, 2024, 11:13:01 PM
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2024, 11:17:21 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 27, 2024, 12:08:36 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2024, 12:21:27 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2024, 12:23:28 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 27, 2024, 12:38:17 AM
I think he meant calendar year?
Yep. He knows his stuff.
Post by: rjp on January 27, 2024, 01:01:16 AM
Post by: Beard82 on January 27, 2024, 01:19:26 AM
He’s a simply magnificent keeper. The best in the world and the best we have ever had.100%
Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2024, 01:20:30 AM
I think he meant calendar year?
Aah...yes. Ahem.
Post by: Risso on January 27, 2024, 01:21:15 AM
I thought he was immense today. When he makes a save he has no right to make, I count it as a goal. He's going to be in Pongo Waring territory if he keeps on like this.
He played really well, but don't think any of the saves were anything out of the ordinary to be honest, they didn't have any great chances, just things you'd expect a keeper as good as Emery to make.
Post by: aldridgeboy on January 27, 2024, 01:48:52 AM
But by God he does it well 😀
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 27, 2024, 02:48:55 AM
I thought he was immense today. When he makes a save he has no right to make, I count it as a goal. He's going to be in Pongo Waring territory if he keeps on like this.
He played really well, but don't think any of the saves were anything out of the ordinary to be honest, they didn't have any great chances, just things you'd expect a keeper as good as Emery to make.
What a man. A great manager and a great keeper.
Post by: LeonW on January 27, 2024, 04:16:51 AM
Post by: algy on January 27, 2024, 07:28:14 AM
Martinez kept us in the game. Just because he normalises excellence doesn’t make it any more miraculous.This. He's just bloody brilliant.
Post by: Risso on January 27, 2024, 07:43:22 AM
Post by: LeonW on January 27, 2024, 08:30:38 AM
Although don't pass out straight to one of the Newcastle forwards on Tuesday please, Emi!
He made a slight bollock but as time goes on we’ll come to see that he is a Villa great and we’ll look back and compare future Villa keepers to Martinez. Enjoy the golden age.
Post by: paul_e on January 27, 2024, 09:18:43 AM
As Roy Keane would say , ‘that’s his job ‘
But by God he does it well 😀
I agree with Keane to an extent, especially when people say things like "the goalie is keeping them in this".
Post by: chrisw1 on January 27, 2024, 11:05:55 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 27, 2024, 11:51:54 AM
Post by: Risso on January 27, 2024, 11:59:03 AM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 27, 2024, 12:12:33 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2024, 12:18:27 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 27, 2024, 12:22:53 PM
Post by: john e on January 27, 2024, 12:24:08 PM
Post by: LukeJames on January 27, 2024, 12:45:34 PM
Post by: Bad English on January 27, 2024, 01:07:21 PM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 27, 2024, 01:07:40 PM
I loved the way he rallied the crowd at one point and then after Lenglet made a cock up he gave him a hug with a don’t worry mate.Noticed that too.
Quality.
Bloody love the bloke.
Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2024, 01:48:10 PM
Dios es un Villano.
Y funciona en maneras misteriosas.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 30, 2024, 06:25:08 PM
Some interesting comments...Quote
"I don't really enjoy [the sweeper role] but I am working on it. I'm really strong when we low block and the ball comes into the box. I feel really strong.
"But we play that way and I adapt. I have had training sessions on this with balls in behind and deciding when to go. With my national team and all my career I play low block, this is something new to me as well. I am adapting and doing something quite right.
"
This was pointed out as concerning by me when Emery came in because Emi wasn't brought up and taught how to play the ball out or has a natural aptitude for Emerys football. And I doubt I was the only one who had wondered if could and would fit Emery's style.
He has, in all credit, frequently demonstrated understanding of the role and though he takes his time he has gotten better overall.
Martínez seems to be much more aware of now and is clearly getting used to playing football. I'm not sure why he wishes to criticise but three clean sheets in last 3 games shows he's in top form.
Although it's a new year, he still needs to monitor his discipline since I think he will continue to receive unnecessary bookings. And unfortunately one day he'll be sent off if he's not careful.
Martinez One-on-one is just amazing I think he's the most dominant keeper in the league, and with some fine-tuning of his possession, distribution and sweeping, it'll only benefit us more both offensively and defensively and of course help the game control.
Against Newcastle I expect him to have learned from his mistakes in the 5-1 setback at that start of the season and to hope for him to keep another clean sheet.
Vamos Martinez.
World Class Winner.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 30, 2024, 10:07:11 PM
Absolutely incredible.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 30, 2024, 11:35:10 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2024, 11:38:17 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2024, 08:30:17 PM
No goals conceded. So 6 clean sheets now.
A super double save and he would not be beaten easily!
Pleased VAR disallowed their goal as he was worthy of a clean sheet.
Captain when McGinn was subbed off.
Nice touch giving his shirt to supporter at the end.
Well played Emi Martinez!
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 17, 2024, 05:47:05 PM
https://x.com/avfc_vilr/status/1758904499903549699?s=46
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2024, 05:48:38 PM
We truly have the best keeper on the planet.
https://x.com/avfc_vilr/status/1758904499903549699?s=46
Brilliant save. My arse was going 50p/20p at the time, but no need.
Post by: Matt C on February 17, 2024, 06:52:26 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 17, 2024, 08:13:08 PM
Post by: brontebilly on February 17, 2024, 08:24:49 PM
We truly have the best keeper on the planet.
https://x.com/avfc_vilr/status/1758904499903549699?s=46
Just stays on his feet a half second longer than most keepers. It's not that long ago we had that mugs gallery of Nyland, Kalinic, Bunn(y) vying to be our number one.....some transformation.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 17, 2024, 08:41:55 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 18, 2024, 01:49:43 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/video/6bb040f1-4749-4c1c-8d89-30be481d12fe
Post by: Risso on February 18, 2024, 01:52:12 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 18, 2024, 02:22:28 PM
We need to get Champions League for Emi, if nothing else. He deserves it.Agreed. I think if he went because we didnt get it, it would be crushing, much worse that Grealish. Great keeper and seemingly a great bloke to boot.
Him and McGinn are two of my all time favourites Villa players.
Post by: Risso on February 18, 2024, 03:20:08 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 18, 2024, 03:23:54 PM
Post by: darren woolley on February 19, 2024, 01:30:25 PM
Grealish was superb at a critical time for the club. We shouldn’t devalue what he did for us or importance at that time in our history. But Emi Martinez is proper world class. He’ll be appreciated even more outside of B6 once we are in the CL and gets that elevated European competition exposure.
Totally agree with you TV.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 25, 2024, 01:17:16 PM
https://x.com/selecaotalk/status/1761511674824020368?s=46
Post by: Somniloquism on February 25, 2024, 01:32:20 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 25, 2024, 01:37:01 PM
Was I picking up the commentators were moaning that Emi was off the line when the balls were struck?
Not sure, they seemed to be enjoying it. I did see Emi mouthing "soy un creyente, amigo" though.
Post by: Somniloquism on February 25, 2024, 01:47:20 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 25, 2024, 01:51:24 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 25, 2024, 11:25:50 PM
"I'm enjoying football. I'm a different goalkeeper; I feel like I've achieved what I wanted as a footballer. Now, the best Emi is yet to come.
"I enjoy the warm-up; many feel pressure or are nervous. I feel like a child when he sees the park and runs to get on the slide.
"I look around and see the people; it gives me goosebumps. People ask me to dance, and in that moment, I am free.
“I continue to set goals. I want to play 100 games for the National Team, be the goalkeeper with the most clean sheets in the history of the National Team, play in the Champions League with Aston Villa after 35/40 years.
They are difficult goals but I think I can achieve them, and I am sick with that.”
Post by: Rory on February 26, 2024, 02:03:49 AM
All keepers came way of the line back then. If to want to see a great example find one of Dudek’s penalty saves in the CL final for Liverpool. He was proactively on the edge of the 6yd box when he saves it.
I saw an old match the other day and noticed that. A 'keeper would rarely stay on their line.
I was a relatively decent 'keeper at school level (until about 15 or so when taller lads started to gain that natural advantage) and on penalties I'd start from behind the line and wait until the ball is kicked to move forward.
At higher levels where there's research everyone would just place it into the corners and I'd be bollocksed, but I was never beaten by any pass or dink down the middle and coming from behind the line meant I attacked the ball so even pens struck with power were more likely to bounce off than squirm through.
Emi has real intelligence and I love that. He thinks about what a striker is most likely to do, and in any kind of one-on-one that is overwhelmingly to go for the easiest option. If through on goal or it's a penalty, he or she will not want to miss the target and will want the GK to commit early to make their job easier.
Post by: Rory on February 26, 2024, 02:05:38 AM
Some old footage of Emi at the U17 South American Championship in 2009 saving penalties in a shootout from Coutinho and Dudu. And as you can see from the reactions after, he was every bit as mad back then.
https://x.com/selecaotalk/status/1761511674824020368?s=46
Not often you see a GK catch the ball in a shootout 😍
Post by: Dogtanian on February 29, 2024, 02:14:30 PM
https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1763202474029027821?s=20 (https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1763202474029027821?s=20)
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 29, 2024, 03:25:14 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2024, 06:51:05 PM
Post by: Bad English on March 02, 2024, 09:27:43 PM
Post by: Risso on March 02, 2024, 09:32:21 PM
Didn't get one though.
And has only had one in the last ten games.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2024, 09:46:20 PM
Yes thankfully, he was unlucky not to have a clean sheet. I can't fault him for the goals.Didn't get one though.
And has only had one in the last ten games.
Distribution was excellent at times, though Watkins made some comments about the keeper going long in the second half and the midfield being too far away from Ollie.
One point in the second half, Martinez fired a great kick early and reached either Diaby, Watkins, or Bailey. I can't remember which player but thought that was excellent goal kicking, and I also enjoyed seeing him getting a few quick throws out to players.
So pleased he wasn't booked and he's just so very good at claiming the crosses Luton played it into our hands ! Literally Martinez!
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 23, 2024, 03:01:50 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 25, 2024, 12:30:50 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/2yftKMK/IMG-2311.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2yftKMK)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 25, 2024, 12:40:01 AM
Post by: purpletrousers on March 25, 2024, 01:52:32 AM
Post by: Bad English on March 25, 2024, 06:16:47 AM
Beautiful. They should put it in the Louvre.They could sell reproductions too. Horseface could have one in his living-room to remind him how far he has to go.
Post by: darren woolley on March 25, 2024, 09:21:43 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/2yftKMK/IMG-2311.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2yftKMK)
That's brilliant.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 25, 2024, 11:07:02 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 25, 2024, 12:55:33 PM
The squad are in L.A. ahead of their game against Costa Rica on Weds.
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 25, 2024, 01:35:11 PM
I wonder with so many of the National team based in the premiership - they must have a chartered private plane to ferry them around.
Cant see them going economy with Ryanair ;)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 25, 2024, 01:50:50 PM
Cant see them going economy with Ryanair ;)
If it's good enough for SJM, it's good enough for a lad from Mar Del Plata. However, given Emi is tall like me, I'd recommend he opts for a seat with extra legroom.
Post by: Ian. on March 31, 2024, 01:35:35 PM
What a keeper. I’d say the best keeper I’ve ever watched.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 31, 2024, 01:45:53 PM
Post by: Risso on March 31, 2024, 01:46:34 PM
Post by: Steve67 on March 31, 2024, 01:59:02 PM
No bookings in three months now.
Footy will be upset.
Post by: LeeB on March 31, 2024, 02:00:58 PM
The save has gone a bit under the radar really, just because people seem to expect it now. He is an unbelievable keeper.
Yeah it seems a bit that way Chris, any other keeper and it's a career highlight.
Post by: Matt C on March 31, 2024, 03:17:05 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 31, 2024, 03:29:58 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 31, 2024, 03:40:48 PM
In fact, just describing him as a keeper seems a bit of an understatement, he's way more than that for us.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 31, 2024, 05:36:16 PM
The save has gone a bit under the radar really, just because people seem to expect it now. He is an unbelievable keeper.
Much like the point blank save he made from Haaland in the game this season. It’s taken for granted sometimes how outstanding he really is, and dismissed by the national media because he plays for us. He’s not just superb at his job but in a way has become the pulse of the club. He wants us to be successful and truly owes so much of what he’s become to how we gave him the opportunity and platform to elevate himself for his country. When he eventually leaves he’ll be as devastated as we will be.
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 31, 2024, 08:53:53 PM
He is the best keeper in the world, there's genuinely not another keeper anywhere I'd swap him for.
In fact, just describing him as a keeper seems a bit of an understatement, he's way more than that for us.
Yep hugely important to us.
Post by: Smirker on March 31, 2024, 08:57:07 PM
Its been up and up since he came in.
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 31, 2024, 09:29:15 PM
We win a trophy this season you can genuinely compare his impact to the likes of Cantona at MU.
Its been up and up since he came in.
It’s been mutual as well. His career has sky rocketed here.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 31, 2024, 10:40:12 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 31, 2024, 10:45:27 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 31, 2024, 11:04:49 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 31, 2024, 11:09:31 PM
Post by: Smirker on March 31, 2024, 11:36:12 PM
And when we got Reina.
Then we got El Rey 8)
Post by: OCD on April 01, 2024, 11:25:04 AM
Things fell nicely for us and Emi. Heaton crocked, Maupay knobbling Leno after lockdown meaning Emi got some games. Before then there wasn't really anyone paying him much attention. He was an uncapped keeper that played a few dozen games in the Championship. And now look at us both.
Emi was excellent for Arsenal in that run. They really dropped a bollock by making Leno number 1. He was crap and left, Ramsdale looked ok but they decided he's not good enough on the ball and Raya has had his moments. So we can thank Arsenal for their part in it as well.
Post by: Smirker on April 02, 2024, 05:30:53 PM
Post by: Monty on April 02, 2024, 05:33:40 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/JvZSJ3G/Screenshot-20240402-172117.jpg)
God this guy just fucking gets it.
Post by: Smirker on April 02, 2024, 05:34:39 PM
A Villa legend no doubt about it.
Post by: Risso on April 02, 2024, 05:35:23 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on April 02, 2024, 05:52:13 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/JvZSJ3G/Screenshot-20240402-172117.jpg)That is something the plastic fans of ManUre, Chelsea et al could never understand.
Post by: olaftab on April 02, 2024, 05:58:17 PM
This is so appreciated and shows the mentality switch in our club.
And how different it is to something I heard the other day. Darren Bent was on Sky in one of those PL player profile progs and he was talking about his goals and reaching the 100 goal mark. He was playing for us at the time and he said "Villa were playing QPR and I knew we would lose I told Alan Hutton he agreed and I said we will lose but I will score. I scored, a brilliant day"
Post by: Smirker on April 02, 2024, 06:04:19 PM
This is so appreciated and shows the mentality switch in our club.
And how different it is to something I heard the other day. Darren Bent was on Sky in one of those PL player profile progs and he was talking about his goals and reaching the 100 goal mark. He was playing for us at the time and he said "Villa were playing QPR and I knew we would lose I told Alan Hutton he agreed and I said we will lose but I will score. I scored, a brilliant day"
Arseholes. The minimum we ask is they don't roll over and accept defeat and that team did.
Thought Benty was alright as well.
Post by: Rory on April 02, 2024, 06:15:37 PM
I might have that tattooed on my arse.
Enough boasting about the size of your arse.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 02, 2024, 06:33:01 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 02, 2024, 06:38:07 PM
Very disappointed with him.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 02, 2024, 06:38:50 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 02, 2024, 06:41:56 PM
Astonishingly, Emi was a pointless answer.
As they were talking through the answers, when she mentioned Emi, the lovely Vick Hope said the words "Aston Villa" when referring to the team he played for.
It was beautiful.
Post by: Dave on April 02, 2024, 07:19:25 PM
I might have that tattooed on my arse.
Probably worth having a word with DSportsRadio to at least get some sort of advertising cash out of it if you do.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 02, 2024, 08:00:09 PM
I might have that tattooed on my arse.T H A T
Will look great.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 02, 2024, 08:08:26 PM
I might have that tattooed on my arse.
Enough boasting about the size of your arse.
Considering he's already got every page of Aston Villa The Complete Record by Rob Bishop tattooed on there it's high praise indeed from Risso. Even though he's a big lad there can't be be much terra nullius left.
Post by: Drummond on April 02, 2024, 08:09:40 PM
It's only 41 years since we were in the Champions League/European Cup, not 45. Doesn't know our history despite the Holte regularly singing 'We even conquered Europe in 1982". Poor show from him.
I really don't like' we even conquered' as if we shouldn't have.
Post by: LeeB on April 02, 2024, 08:09:50 PM
I might have that tattooed on my arse.
Enough boasting about the size of your arse.
Considering he's already got every page of Aston Villa The Complete Record by Rob Bishop tattooed on there it's high praise indeed from Risso. Even though he's a big lad there can't be be much terra nullius left.
He'll have to start eating bread again to fit that on.
Post by: OCD on April 02, 2024, 08:22:25 PM
Post by: darren woolley on April 02, 2024, 09:26:31 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 02, 2024, 09:31:40 PM
It's only 41 years since we were in the Champions League/European Cup, not 45. Doesn't know our history despite the Holte regularly singing 'We even conquered Europe in 1982". Poor show from him.
I really don't like' we even conquered' as if we shouldn't have.
We shouldn't have really, given Bobby Robson's Ipswich were the league champions in 1981.
Post by: Chap on April 02, 2024, 09:45:10 PM
Question on Pointless today - name any player who played in the 2022 World Cup final.A moment of television history😁
Astonishingly, Emi was a pointless answer.
As they were talking through the answers, when she mentioned Emi, the lovely Vick Hope said the words "Aston Villa" when referring to the team he played for.
It was beautiful.
Post by: Smirker on April 02, 2024, 09:49:23 PM
It's only 41 years since we were in the Champions League/European Cup, not 45. Doesn't know our history despite the Holte regularly singing 'We even conquered Europe in 1982". Poor show from him.
I really don't like' we even conquered' as if we shouldn't have.
Same.
Just another in a long line of examples of our fans acting like we're a small club.
Post by: Chris Harte on April 02, 2024, 09:50:02 PM
He wants to play for Argentina in the Olympics. Football in the Olympics runs from Jul 26-Aug 11. So he'll probably miss most, if not all, of pre-season and the start of next season.I'm probably wrong, but I thought you had to be no older than 23 to play at the Olympics.
Post by: Chris Harte on April 02, 2024, 09:52:21 PM
It's only 41 years since we were in the Champions League/European Cup, not 45. Doesn't know our history despite the Holte regularly singing 'We even conquered Europe in 1982". Poor show from him.To be fair I struggle when people sing "mil novecientos ochenta y dos" at me. :)
Post by: Somniloquism on April 02, 2024, 09:52:47 PM
Post by: Smirker on April 02, 2024, 09:53:27 PM
He wants to play for Argentina in the Olympics. Football in the Olympics runs from Jul 26-Aug 11. So he'll probably miss most, if not all, of pre-season and the start of next season.I'm probably wrong, but I thought you had to be no older than 23 to play at the Olympics.
You can have three overage players.
This is why Ryan Giggs was able to play for Britain at 2012.
Post by: Chris Harte on April 02, 2024, 09:54:31 PM
This is why I thought I was wrong. I just wasn't sure why.He wants to play for Argentina in the Olympics. Football in the Olympics runs from Jul 26-Aug 11. So he'll probably miss most, if not all, of pre-season and the start of next season.I'm probably wrong, but I thought you had to be no older than 23 to play at the Olympics.
You can have three overage players.
This is why Ryan Giggs was able to play for Britain at 2012.
Post by: OCD on April 02, 2024, 09:55:20 PM
Edit - Smirker beat me to it.
Post by: Dogtanian on April 02, 2024, 09:55:55 PM
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on April 02, 2024, 10:00:25 PM
Probably wants a gold medal because Doug’s got one.
And Diego Carlos!
Post by: Dogtanian on April 02, 2024, 10:02:02 PM
Probably wants a gold medal because Doug’s got one.
And Diego Carlos!
Oh, yeah! I didn’t realise he was a medal biter, too.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 03, 2024, 02:49:09 PM
I think he'll save a penalty!
Emi Martinez the world's number one!
Post by: Drummond on April 04, 2024, 12:12:42 AM
Post by: Risso on April 04, 2024, 12:23:58 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 05, 2024, 12:45:33 AM
Well Martinez didn't get a yellow. I'm sure Footy is disappointed.Martinez wasn't playing due to illness.
I'm not happy when he gets booked for time wasting or unsporting behaviour.
But is anyone happy to see our players awarded yellow cards or being sent off ?
I don't think so.
He didn't play?!
Yes, he pulled out after the lineups were announced due to illness.
I wonder if there was anything else to it, like a dispute on tactics or speaking up as captain with a disagreement on the line up and players selected , as pulling out so late with sickness but he would have known if he was well enough to participate and didn't simply suddenly have a bout of sickness come on. This could raise questions and speculation.
If there was a disagreement on how to manage the game regards time management
There could be all sorts of reasons why he didn't play and what went on.
Best we move to the next game and see what happens.
Of course the illness as well could be serious so can't be too dismissive in that respect either.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 05, 2024, 12:59:10 AM
Well Martinez didn't get a yellow. I'm sure Footy is disappointed.Martinez wasn't playing due to illness.
I'm not happy when he gets booked for time wasting or unsporting behaviour.
But is anyone happy to see our players awarded yellow cards or being sent off ?
I don't think so.
He didn't play?!
Yes, he pulled out after the lineups were announced due to illness.
I wonder if there was anything else to it, like a dispute on tactics or speaking up as captain with a disagreement on the line up and players selected , as pulling out so late with sickness but he would have known if he was well enough to participate and didn't simply suddenly have a bout of sickness come on. This could raise questions and speculation.
If there was a disagreement on how to manage the game regards time management
There could be all sorts of reasons why he didn't play and what went on.
Best we move to the next game and see what happens.
Of course the illness as well could be serious so can't be too dismissive in that respect either.
I can just see it now - "Oi Emers, you're tactics are shit, I'm not playing"
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 05, 2024, 01:44:36 AM
Well Martinez didn't get a yellow. I'm sure Footy is disappointed.Martinez wasn't playing due to illness.
I'm not happy when he gets booked for time wasting or unsporting behaviour.
But is anyone happy to see our players awarded yellow cards or being sent off ?
I don't think so.
He didn't play?!
Yes, he pulled out after the lineups were announced due to illness.
I wonder if there was anything else to it, like a dispute on tactics or speaking up as captain with a disagreement on the line up and players selected , as pulling out so late with sickness but he would have known if he was well enough to participate and didn't simply suddenly have a bout of sickness come on. This could raise questions and speculation.
If there was a disagreement on how to manage the game regards time management
There could be all sorts of reasons why he didn't play and what went on.
Best we move to the next game and see what happens.
Of course the illness as well could be serious so can't be too dismissive in that respect either.
There’s actually more nonsense in this post than the one in which you said ‘9 more points will put us on 72’.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 05, 2024, 07:50:51 AM
Post by: wince on April 05, 2024, 07:55:00 AM
I heard that in the Harry Enfield voice!Well Martinez didn't get a yellow. I'm sure Footy is disappointed.Martinez wasn't playing due to illness.
I'm not happy when he gets booked for time wasting or unsporting behaviour.
But is anyone happy to see our players awarded yellow cards or being sent off ?
I don't think so.
He didn't play?!
Yes, he pulled out after the lineups were announced due to illness.
I wonder if there was anything else to it, like a dispute on tactics or speaking up as captain with a disagreement on the line up and players selected , as pulling out so late with sickness but he would have known if he was well enough to participate and didn't simply suddenly have a bout of sickness come on. This could raise questions and speculation.
If there was a disagreement on how to manage the game regards time management
There could be all sorts of reasons why he didn't play and what went on.
Best we move to the next game and see what happens.
Of course the illness as well could be serious so can't be too dismissive in that respect either.
I can just see it now - "Oi Emers, you're tactics are shit, I'm not playing"
Post by: darren woolley on April 05, 2024, 08:33:14 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 05, 2024, 09:33:01 AM
That really is absolutely bat shit mental.Maybe Emi was upset when he heard that McGinn was on a bender in Dublin again.
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2024, 09:44:37 AM
Post by: Villan82 on April 05, 2024, 09:52:25 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on April 05, 2024, 10:05:52 AM
So there you have it, proof. I don't think I even knew what the tactics were or if we had any, let alone disagreed with them
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 05, 2024, 10:12:21 AM
Due to privacy and in house club rules, we might never get any more information or receive complete accurate answers from the club, but if people are interested, then discuss it.
Perhaps when we hear from Emery that will be some clarification regards any illnesses around the squad.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 05, 2024, 10:14:40 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 05, 2024, 10:21:41 AM
And I can say it from experience that it simply isn't true as I was once feeling a bit iffy prior to a Sutton Sunday League crunch game, a night of revelry beforehand saw to that. Any road I thought I couldn't let my mates down so I'd play, but just prior to kick off I'd had a final fag which caused a coughing fit and led me to foul myself by following through. I had to pull out a few moments before KO.
So there you have it, proof. I don't think I even knew what the tactics were or if we had any, let alone disagreed with them
If it puts your mind at rest I was alright for the week after, just got the shorts washed and laid off the beer post the afternoon session.Ok so people can be suddenly unwell and sorry that happened to you. I want to take at face value the Martinez situation but I am intrigued as of something else was the case.
Regarding disagreements with coaches and management Emi's captain and it could be the selection of players, as didn't start likes of Pau and Bailey, may have questioned it.
I believe many people found Emery's selection surprising, therefore I'm curious how established World Cup winner Martinez felt and thought.
Post by: Villan82 on April 05, 2024, 10:26:57 AM
Post by: LeeB on April 05, 2024, 10:31:05 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on April 05, 2024, 10:40:32 AM
And I can say it from experience that it simply isn't true as I was once feeling a bit iffy prior to a Sutton Sunday League crunch game, a night of revelry beforehand saw to that. Any road I thought I couldn't let my mates down so I'd play, but just prior to kick off I'd had a final fag which caused a coughing fit and led me to foul myself by following through. I had to pull out a few moments before KO.
So there you have it, proof. I don't think I even knew what the tactics were or if we had any, let alone disagreed with themIf it puts your mind at rest I was alright for the week after, just got the shorts washed and laid off the beer post the afternoon session.Ok so people can be suddenly unwell and sorry that happened to you. I want to take at face value the Martinez situation but I am intrigued as of something else was the case.
Regarding disagreements with coaches and management Emi's captain and it could be the selection of players, as didn't start likes of Pau and Bailey, may have questioned it.
I believe many people found Emery's selection surprising, therefore I'm curious how established World Cup winner Martinez felt and thought.
Thank you, thats appreciated.
Do you know what brand Emi smokes? If he's on Park Drive or something like that maybe he should switch to Silk Cut or smoother alternatives like that, even if its just for the last one before kick off. I mean come on, this is Champions League football we are talking about here.
Post by: Monty on April 05, 2024, 10:41:34 AM
This feels like having to explain the concept of 'the shits' to HAL in 2001: A Space Odyssey.
'Won't you stop, Dave?'
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2024, 11:01:24 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 05, 2024, 11:12:13 AM
Yes, he pulled out after the lineups were announced due to illness.
I wonder if there was anything else to it, like a dispute on tactics or speaking up as captain with a disagreement on the line up and players selected , as pulling out so late with sickness but he would have known if he was well enough to participate and didn't simply suddenly have a bout of sickness come on. This could raise questions and speculation.
If there was a disagreement on how to manage the game regards time management
There could be all sorts of reasons why he didn't play and what went on.
Best we move to the next game and see what happens.
Of course the illness as well could be serious so can't be too dismissive in that respect either.
What do you reckon? JFK's assassination, the work of a deranged lone gunman named Lee Harvey Oswald, or was there more to it?
Post by: LeeB on April 05, 2024, 11:14:16 AM
Yes, he pulled out after the lineups were announced due to illness.
I wonder if there was anything else to it, like a dispute on tactics or speaking up as captain with a disagreement on the line up and players selected , as pulling out so late with sickness but he would have known if he was well enough to participate and didn't simply suddenly have a bout of sickness come on. This could raise questions and speculation.
If there was a disagreement on how to manage the game regards time management
There could be all sorts of reasons why he didn't play and what went on.
Best we move to the next game and see what happens.
Of course the illness as well could be serious so can't be too dismissive in that respect either.
What do you reckon? JFK's assassination, the work of a deranged lone gunman named Lee Harvey Oswald, or was there more to it?
I bet the drivers pants looked like Emi's afterwards.
Post by: Small Rodent on April 05, 2024, 11:17:19 AM
What do you reckon? JFK's assassination, the work of a deranged lone gunman named Lee Harvey Oswald, or was there more to it?
As an aside, my friend was named Marina after Oswald's wife. Her Mum was sat in Galway in the mid-60s already having had 5 other kids and was stuck for a name. She was reading something about the assassination and thought "there's a nice name for a girl".
Post by: Holte132 on April 05, 2024, 11:18:22 AM
I always find it suspect when there's some types of information and occurrences , but let's wait to see how things stand with team news for Bournemouth before making any more assumptions because what happened has created some doubts and uncertainties.
Due to privacy and in house club rules, we might never get any more information or receive complete accurate answers from the club, but if people are interested, then discuss it.
Perhaps when we hear from Emery that will be some clarification regards any illnesses around the squad.
That's a long time to wait!
Post by: Dogtanian on April 05, 2024, 12:53:49 PM
This feels like having to explain the concept of 'the shits' to HAL in 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Open the cubicle doors, please Hal.
I'm sorry, Dave, but I can't do that.
Well... I'll just have to go in one of the pods!
You might find that difficult without any toilet paper, Dave.
Post by: rooboy316 on April 05, 2024, 01:03:56 PM
I always find it suspect when there's some types of information and occurrences
Hey Footy, have you come across the philosophical concept of Occam’s razor? It might be something that piques your interest, and also offer some clues about why some of the less likely assumptions you post on here are met with some derision.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 05, 2024, 01:33:30 PM
I don’t find it suitable in some situations I sometimes go as far as the Greek Euripides idea : to question everything.I always find it suspect when there's some types of information and occurrences
Hey Footy, have you come across the philosophical concept of Occam’s razor? It might be something that piques your interest, and also offer some clues about why some of the less likely assumptions you post on here are met with some derision.
The notion is a good one though regards ottoman thanks for bringing again to attention.
What do you reckon? JFK's assassination, the work of a deranged lone gunman named Lee Harvey Oswald, or was there more to it?
I would suspect it is not as straightforward as made out and we have to simply believe what we’re told and be controlled
Post by: Bad English on April 05, 2024, 01:35:16 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on April 05, 2024, 01:35:32 PM
I don’t find it suitable in some situations I sometimes go as far as the Greek Euripides idea : to question everything.I always find it suspect when there's some types of information and occurrences
Hey Footy, have you come across the philosophical concept of Occam’s razor? It might be something that piques your interest, and also offer some clues about why some of the less likely assumptions you post on here are met with some derision.
The notion is a good one though regards ottoman thanks for bringing again to attention.
But footy, how do you know Martinez exists?
Post by: Monty on April 05, 2024, 01:35:40 PM
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2024, 01:36:40 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 05, 2024, 01:37:17 PM
Far as I remember, Euripides thought we should be nice to visitors on the off-chance your visitor is a god who turns our wives into drunken sex-nuts who cut off our heads.Sensible advice that.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 05, 2024, 01:39:22 PM
Post by: Monty on April 05, 2024, 01:44:41 PM
I asked my last visitor if he wanted to get my wife drunk, shag me and cut off my head. But he just needed a signature for a parcel.
Keep asking, you'll get lucky one day.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 05, 2024, 01:44:58 PM
Or it was the case Emery gave Martinez every chance to be well but was unable to be fit for goal-keeping duties.
Post by: Clampy on April 05, 2024, 01:51:42 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on April 05, 2024, 02:23:04 PM
Footy, who do you reckon shot JR?
In the foot?
Post by: ian c. on April 05, 2024, 03:50:54 PM
Footy, who do you reckon shot JR?
It was the Wurzels. They hated him, then they shot him.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 05, 2024, 03:51:21 PM
Footy, who do you reckon shot JR?
In the foot?
Ha!
Post by: Drummond on April 05, 2024, 08:54:55 PM
Mark my words it's not a happy camp and their agents are working on deals to get them a move.
Post by: Drummond on April 05, 2024, 08:56:32 PM
It's a VERY unhappy ship indeed.
Post by: eamonn on April 05, 2024, 09:36:13 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 06, 2024, 04:46:21 AM
And I can say it from experience that it simply isn't true as I was once feeling a bit iffy prior to a Sutton Sunday League crunch game, a night of revelry beforehand saw to that. Any road I thought I couldn't let my mates down so I'd play, but just prior to kick off I'd had a final fag which caused a coughing fit and led me to foul myself by following through. I had to pull out a few moments before KO.
So there you have it, proof. I don't think I even knew what the tactics were or if we had any, let alone disagreed with themIf it puts your mind at rest I was alright for the week after, just got the shorts washed and laid off the beer post the afternoon session.Ok so people can be suddenly unwell and sorry that happened to you. I want to take at face value the Martinez situation but I am intrigued as of something else was the case.
Regarding disagreements with coaches and management Emi's captain and it could be the selection of players, as didn't start likes of Pau and Bailey, may have questioned it.
I believe many people found Emery's selection surprising, therefore I'm curious how established World Cup winner Martinez felt and thought.
Thank you, thats appreciated.
Do you know what brand Emi smokes? If he's on Park Drive or something like that maybe he should switch to Silk Cut or smoother alternatives like that, even if its just for the last one before kick off. I mean come on, this is Champions League football we are talking about here.
Can’t he switch to a high-powered vape? He could probably get away with sneaking a couple of cheeky drags in the tunnel. You can get Diarite flavour juice I think, so that should help.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 06, 2024, 04:48:33 AM
Yes, he pulled out after the lineups were announced due to illness.
I wonder if there was anything else to it, like a dispute on tactics or speaking up as captain with a disagreement on the line up and players selected , as pulling out so late with sickness but he would have known if he was well enough to participate and didn't simply suddenly have a bout of sickness come on. This could raise questions and speculation.
If there was a disagreement on how to manage the game regards time management
There could be all sorts of reasons why he didn't play and what went on.
Best we move to the next game and see what happens.
Of course the illness as well could be serious so can't be too dismissive in that respect either.
What do you reckon? JFK's assassination, the work of a deranged lone gunman named Lee Harvey Oswald, or was there more to it?
Marcello, boss of New Orleans, and Santo Traficante, (Florida). Santo said on his death-bed ‘we killed the wrong brother’.
Post by: HolteL4 on April 06, 2024, 10:00:31 AM
I always find it suspect when there's some types of information and occurrences , but let's wait to see how things stand with team news for Bournemouth before making any more assumptions because what happened has created some doubts and uncertainties.
Due to privacy and in house club rules, we might never get any more information or receive complete accurate answers from the club, but if people are interested, then discuss it.
Perhaps when we hear from Emery that will be some clarification regards any illnesses around the squad.
A normal thought process is a concern about the illness being used to cover a possible injury so as to not set the whole club into panic at the thought of Olsen until the end of the season. Your theory is just madness
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 06, 2024, 10:13:18 AM
"Emi Martínez and Ollie Watkins could be (available) tomorrow, we will prepare for the match in the final 24 hours and tomorrow we will know if they’re available and ready to play.
Emi and Ollie are included in the squad for tomorrow"
If Martinez was ill, he would not be on the squad, thus he must be 'better'!
Emery seemed to have indicated something here, which is telling to me that Emi will be able to play.
I expect Martinez to play today and will never know what really happened midweek as nothing was said in the news conference.
The main thing is Martinez will be back in goal. If he was ill he would not be available for selection.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 06, 2024, 10:22:29 AM
The official news yesterday was this:
"Emi Martínez and Ollie Watkins could be (available) tomorrow, we will prepare for the match in the final 24 hours and tomorrow we will know if they’re available and ready to play.
Emi and Ollie are included in the squad for tomorrow"
If Martinez was ill, he would not be on the squad, thus he must be 'better'!
Emery seemed to have indicated something here, which is telling to me that Emi will be able to play.
I expect Martinez to play today and will never know what really happened midweek as nothing was said in the news conference.
The main thing is Martinez will be back in goal. If he was ill he would not be available for selection.
Let’s hope he doesn’t storm off home when Enery tells him the tactics/team.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 06, 2024, 10:25:52 AM
The official news yesterday was this:
"Emi Martínez and Ollie Watkins could be (available) tomorrow, we will prepare for the match in the final 24 hours and tomorrow we will know if they’re available and ready to play.
Emi and Ollie are included in the squad for tomorrow"
If Martinez was ill, he would not be on the squad, thus he must be 'better'!
Emery seemed to have indicated something here, which is telling to me that Emi will be able to play.
I expect Martinez to play today and will never know what really happened midweek as nothing was said in the news conference.
The main thing is Martinez will be back in goal. If he was ill he would not be available for selection.
Let’s hope he doesn’t storm off home when Enery tells him the tactics/team.
Any continued issue of the unknown situation like that seems resolved and less likely now as I'm reading it in between the lines: Martinez is back and 'in the squad'
Unai literally said "in the squad," and that can be taken as being selected, so I summise that he'll start and he's ready, happy, willing, and well enough to play.
If Emery puts him on the bench then there's a point being made I hope that doesn't happen.
If he doesn't start on Thursday I see that more down to rotation.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 06, 2024, 06:01:00 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 06, 2024, 06:21:21 PM
Unai literally said "in the squad," and that can be taken as being selected, so I summise that he'll start and he's ready, happy, willing, and well enough to play.
If Emery puts him on the bench then there's a point being made I hope that doesn't happen.
If he doesn't start on Thursday I see that more down to rotation.
Spot on, but I'd be shocked if Emi doesn't start on Thursday.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 07, 2024, 12:32:15 AM
The official news yesterday was this:
"Emi Martínez and Ollie Watkins could be (available) tomorrow, we will prepare for the match in the final 24 hours and tomorrow we will know if they’re available and ready to play.
Emi and Ollie are included in the squad for tomorrow"
If Martinez was ill, he would not be on the squad, thus he must be 'better'!
Emery seemed to have indicated something here, which is telling to me that Emi will be able to play.
I expect Martinez to play today and will never know what really happened midweek as nothing was said in the news conference.
The main thing is Martinez will be back in goal. If he was ill he would not be available for selection.
Let’s hope he doesn’t storm off home when Enery tells him the tactics/team.
Any continued issue of the unknown situation like that seems resolved and less likely now as I'm reading it in between the lines: Martinez is back and 'in the squad'
Unai literally said "in the squad," and that can be taken as being selected, so I summise that he'll start and he's ready, happy, willing, and well enough to play.
If Emery puts him on the bench then there's a point being made I hope that doesn't happen.
If he doesn't start on Thursday I see that more down to rotation.
I wasn’t serious as I’m not a fucking idiot.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 10, 2024, 10:30:23 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 10, 2024, 10:39:26 AM
Good man, Emi, and well done Villa. What a great kid.
That's wonderful that is.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 10, 2024, 10:54:53 AM
Good man, Emi, and well done Villa. What a great kid.
That's wonderful that is.
Lovely stuff. Had seen the footage of Duran playing the ball to him but didn't know the backstory.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on April 10, 2024, 11:00:53 AM
Good man, Emi, and well done Villa. What a great kid.
Stuff like that helps ground you. Here we are spitting dummies out about finishing 4th or 5th, when there are kids all over the world suffering with debilitating illnesses like that poor chap. Looks like he had a cracking day, and if I was one of those Villa players that met him, I'd have had an extra yard of pace that day, especially for him.
UTV.
Post by: Axl Rose on April 10, 2024, 11:13:01 AM
Post by: Stu82 on April 10, 2024, 02:31:57 PM
Special mention for Ollie, really making a fuss of Ibrahim.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 10, 2024, 03:30:03 PM
So heartwarming, what a brave little boy.
Special mention for Ollie, really making a fuss of Ibrahim.
Yeah, I noticed that too. In a team that seems chock-full of good characters, Ollie always comes across as really nice.
Post by: Stu82 on April 10, 2024, 03:39:19 PM
So heartwarming, what a brave little boy.
Special mention for Ollie, really making a fuss of Ibrahim.
Yeah, I noticed that too. In a team that seems chock-full of good characters, Ollie always comes across as really nice.
Agreed, the way this team behaves makes you proud.
Post by: darren woolley on April 10, 2024, 03:46:36 PM
So heartwarming, what a brave little boy.
Special mention for Ollie, really making a fuss of Ibrahim.
Yeah, I noticed that too. In a team that seems chock-full of good characters, Ollie always comes across as really nice.
Agreed, the way this team behaves makes you proud.
Totally agree with you.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 10, 2024, 03:51:18 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 10, 2024, 05:36:42 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 10, 2024, 05:38:56 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 10, 2024, 05:49:39 PM
Post by: Ian. on April 10, 2024, 05:50:10 PM
So heartwarming, what a brave little boy.
Special mention for Ollie, really making a fuss of Ibrahim.
Yeah, I noticed that too. In a team that seems chock-full of good characters, Ollie always comes across as really nice.
Agreed, the way this team behaves makes you proud.
Totally agree with you.
Yep, I agree, seem a really decent bunch of lads. Nice work, they made that lads day. What a brave kid he is.
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 10, 2024, 06:18:31 PM
Bless the little fella. I met him on Saturday and he and his family were lovely. For all his challenges he was cheeky and just loving life.
Post by: VillaTim on April 10, 2024, 06:20:12 PM
Post by: Beard82 on April 10, 2024, 06:22:27 PM
Yeah I think thats what I like about it - and it has been for a few years now. Given some of the twats we have had - and TBF - most teams have - its a nice place to be as a club.So heartwarming, what a brave little boy.
Special mention for Ollie, really making a fuss of Ibrahim.
Yeah, I noticed that too. In a team that seems chock-full of good characters, Ollie always comes across as really nice.
Agreed, the way this team behaves makes you proud.
Totally agree with you.
Yep, I agree, seem a really decent bunch of lads. Nice work, they made that lads day. What a brave kid he is.
Also - we know Emi likes a drink on his world cup celebrations, and SJM on his regular trips to Ireland...
Post by: Flamingo Lane on April 10, 2024, 06:28:27 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 10, 2024, 07:01:06 PM
Post by: Rory on April 11, 2024, 02:18:39 AM
It's great to see local communities embracing the club. Based on my experience, 10 years ago that little rascal would probably have been a Man Utd fan.
Inspiring local kids is exactly what we should be about, and Ibrahim is a fucking champ. Here's to the many decades that lie ahead, brave little man.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 11, 2024, 04:09:05 AM
Post by: Villan For Life on April 11, 2024, 06:06:34 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 11, 2024, 08:35:30 PM
Absolute class.
Post by: BC Villain on April 11, 2024, 08:50:11 PM
Post by: Smirker on April 11, 2024, 08:50:36 PM
Brilliant so far tonight.
Post by: jwarry on April 11, 2024, 08:58:36 PM
So lucky to still have him. Reality is he's far too good for us
Why?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 11, 2024, 08:58:41 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 11, 2024, 09:04:35 PM
Emi Martinez can be the difference for finishing 4th and winning conference league.
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2024, 09:06:36 PM
So lucky to still have him. Reality is he's far too good for us
Are we fuck, the club and him were a perfect fit when he joined and both sides clearly recognise that.
Post by: nigel on April 11, 2024, 09:38:56 PM
Post by: Risso on April 11, 2024, 09:59:02 PM
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 11, 2024, 10:00:39 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 11, 2024, 10:53:45 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 12, 2024, 12:44:10 AM
So lucky to still have him. Reality is he's far too good for us
Fortunately, his grip on reality is less tenuous than others'.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 12, 2024, 12:57:19 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 12, 2024, 01:04:42 AM
Judging by their travelling support, he's going to get absolute pelters in France next week. They obviously haven't forgotten that World Cup Final!
It will only make him play better.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 12, 2024, 02:01:36 AM
MOTM tonight.
Player of the Season unless you're a 7 year old. He keeps us in games far too much but that's his job apparently. Seriously, he's the only keeper I'd rate ahead of Jimmy Rimmer and would be my first choice on every team selection. The man has taken it up another level and looks so focused. It's no wonder strikers now shit themselves.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 12, 2024, 02:11:46 AM
MOTM tonight.
Player of the Season unless you're a 7 year old. He keeps us in games far too much but that's his job apparently. Seriously, he's the only keeper I'd rate ahead of Jimmy Rimmer and would be my first choice on every team selection. The man has taken it up another level and looks so focused. It's no wonder strikers now shit themselves.
I’m not sure it’s as nailed on as that. Emi is brilliant, but Ollie, Bailey, and SJM could all be in with a good shout.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 12, 2024, 03:03:17 AM
MOTM tonight.
Player of the Season unless you're a 7 year old. He keeps us in games far too much but that's his job apparently. Seriously, he's the only keeper I'd rate ahead of Jimmy Rimmer and would be my first choice on every team selection. The man has taken it up another level and looks so focused. It's no wonder strikers now shit themselves.
I’m not sure it’s as nailed on as that. Emi is brilliant, but Ollie, Bailey, and SJM could all be in with a good shout.
Shouldn't you be in bed by now, Paul, afterall isn't it a school night? ;)
Seriously, it's Emi, SJM and Watkins in that order. Bailey has played his part but no where near those three.
Post by: Rory on April 12, 2024, 03:52:04 AM
Judging by their travelling support, he's going to get absolute pelters in France next week. They obviously haven't forgotten that World Cup Final!
It will only make him play better.
Yep, if there's one guy who could not give a shit, it's Emi. He won that World Cup just as much as Messi, and I imagine any French outrage will simply serve to amuse and motivate him.
Post by: AV82EC on April 12, 2024, 11:58:16 AM
Judging by their travelling support, he's going to get absolute pelters in France next week. They obviously haven't forgotten that World Cup Final!
It will only make him play better.
Yep, if there's one guy who could not give a shit, it's Emi. He won that World Cup just as much as Messi, and I imagine any French outrage will simply serve to amuse and motivate him.
Hopefully he really pushes the time wasting antics as well. Lots of shithousery please Emi. Someone needs to leave one on that narky little 22 twat as well.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 14, 2024, 06:58:59 PM
Did you see that save first half against Arsenal !
World Class!
The guy is absolute superstar !
The way he interacted with our away support leading the cheers a delight to see!
He’s leading us to glory!
Proper winner!
Post by: Ian. on April 14, 2024, 07:13:37 PM
Post by: nigel on April 14, 2024, 07:14:42 PM
Some of the saves he makes are outrageous. That one today with his foot was unbelievable.
Yes, stunning.
It’s been overlooked, somewhat, because of the quality of the goals
Post by: LeonW on April 14, 2024, 07:16:35 PM
Post by: Risso on April 14, 2024, 07:17:10 PM
Some of the saves he makes are outrageous. That one today with his foot was unbelievable.
Yes, stunning.
It’s been overlooked, somewhat, because of the quality of the goals
It was a great save but the Arsenal player should have just passed it into the other side and there's no way he'd be getting to it.
Post by: Ian. on April 14, 2024, 07:24:42 PM
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Post by: Beard82 on April 14, 2024, 07:48:13 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 14, 2024, 07:59:21 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 14, 2024, 07:59:44 PM
Absolutely superb.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 14, 2024, 08:00:44 PM
Post by: London Villan on April 14, 2024, 08:16:02 PM
Post by: Beard82 on April 14, 2024, 08:25:46 PM
That window - when we signed him and Ollie - that wasnt half bad.
Post by: Risso on April 14, 2024, 08:40:22 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 15, 2024, 12:10:48 AM
Loved his celebrations with the Villa fans today. I bet the Tarquins loved that, if there were any left in the stadium to witness it.
https://x.com/layt2000/status/1779573376291320061?s=46
Post by: Monty on April 15, 2024, 12:12:32 AM
Post by: Rory on April 15, 2024, 02:41:18 AM
He embodies this team. He's its soul, its metonym, its symbol. I fucking love this guy.
Me too. Our very own dickhead to love and cherish.
Post by: Hillbilly on April 15, 2024, 04:38:22 AM
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Post by: Somniloquism on April 15, 2024, 10:18:10 AM
Interesting chat between Watkins and Ian Wright after the match. They said that having a great goalkeeper in the team means that they have to work really hard in training to score which raises their level. Ollie said he also asks Emi what he does in a particular situation with a striker and how might he (Ollie) overcome that.
I've always stated that of if you are a shit team, training just becomes a shit feedback loop. After all if a shit attack can beat a shit defence in training, they won't actually learn how to do it against a good defence, and the same if the defence comes out on top in training. We definitely had that for several seasons before we dropped.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 15, 2024, 10:32:42 AM
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Post by: basavfc on April 15, 2024, 01:59:16 PM
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/UVp4zkd1BPcAAAAC/kahn-star-trek.gif)
Now that made me LOL ;D
EM is the finest shithouse we've ever had
Post by: LeeB on April 15, 2024, 03:40:01 PM
Post by: darren woolley on April 15, 2024, 04:34:17 PM
Post by: Smirker on April 18, 2024, 08:37:38 PM
Build the statue.
Post by: Dave on April 18, 2024, 08:42:15 PM
Feel like it's destiny for him to flex his penalty shootout skills for us, Thursday might be the night. I hope not mind as my nerves are shot as it is.
Foresight
Post by: garyellis on April 18, 2024, 08:43:14 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 18, 2024, 08:44:21 PM
Feel like it's destiny for him to flex his penalty shootout skills for us, Thursday might be the night. I hope not mind as my nerves are shot as it is.
Foresight
Was right about the nerves as well.
Post by: stevo_st on April 18, 2024, 08:44:25 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 18, 2024, 08:44:37 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on April 18, 2024, 08:44:53 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 18, 2024, 08:45:29 PM
Post by: LukeJames on April 18, 2024, 08:45:48 PM
Not a fan of his behaviour but what a keeperHe got abused all night, his behaviour was superb.
Post by: stevo_st on April 18, 2024, 08:46:40 PM
And very unlucky to be booked both timesNot a fan of his behaviour but what a keeperHe got abused all night, his behaviour was superb.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 18, 2024, 08:47:02 PM
Two great saves and let’s have it right he won us that match!
Post by: Ian. on April 18, 2024, 08:47:39 PM
Post by: Astnor on April 18, 2024, 08:47:52 PM
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 18, 2024, 08:47:53 PM
I'd love that to be the case!
Post by: Border villan on April 18, 2024, 08:48:19 PM
Not a fan of his behaviour but what a keeperHe got abused all night, his behaviour was superb.
He was loving every minute of the abuse.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 18, 2024, 08:48:32 PM
I fucking love him, he's such a twat at times, but he's a fucking winner.
I'm 55 and this guy is one of my favourite Villa players ever, he's so much more than just a brilliant goalkeeper.
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 18, 2024, 08:48:49 PM
Not a fan of his behaviour but what a keeperHe got abused all night, his behaviour was superb.
Absolutely. If fans want to give it out, they have to expect some back.
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 18, 2024, 08:50:21 PM
He really is fucking superb.Not a fan of his behaviour but what a keeperHe got abused all night, his behaviour was superb.
Absolutely. If fans want to give it out, they have to expect some back.
In fairness, Emi doesn't ever really need the excuse of the fans giving it out to him! I fucking love him but he'd live in my head rent free if he played against us ;D
Post by: Mellin on April 18, 2024, 08:50:58 PM
Not a fan of his behaviour but what a keeperHe got abused all night, his behaviour was superb.
Spot on. Owned the abuse whilst many others would wilt. They must fucking hate him in France ;D
Post by: AV84 on April 18, 2024, 08:52:08 PM
Is it beyond the realms of possibility that Emi knew about that slightly ridiculous rule that yellow cards don't carry over into penalty shootouts?
I'd love that to be the case!
You would hope so because not one of the people praising his antics now would have been happy to see Olsen coming on for the rest of that shoot out. Or to have to start him in the SF.
Post by: WarszaVillan on April 18, 2024, 08:53:01 PM
Not a fan of his behaviour but what a keeperHe got abused all night, his behaviour was superb.
He was loving every minute of the abuse.
You don't get the rest without his 'behaviour'. It's a package. I'm a believer mate.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 18, 2024, 08:54:34 PM
Not a fan of his behaviour but what a keeperHe got abused all night, his behaviour was superb.
He was loving every minute of the abuse.
Of course he was, he fucking thrives on it, the more grief they give him, the more likely he is to do something brilliant.
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 18, 2024, 08:54:55 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 18, 2024, 08:55:00 PM
Is it beyond the realms of possibility that Emi knew about that slightly ridiculous rule that yellow cards don't carry over into penalty shootouts?
I'd love that to be the case!
You would hope so because not one of the people praising his antics now would have been happy to see Olsen coming on for the rest of that shoot out. Or to have to start him in the SF.
I don’t know that rule and actually reported my concern for Martinez being booked in the shoot out which was the case and thought he was sent off.
Post by: Marton on April 18, 2024, 08:55:05 PM
Thanks to Arsenal for letting us have this absolute LEGEND of a keeper at Aston Villa.
Whoever decided that must have made the single worst judgement call in football History!!
Seeing him turn around and dance in front of all those toxic Frenchmen after saving that last pen is the moment of the year. Hell .... Best moment of the century!
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 18, 2024, 08:55:58 PM
Is it beyond the realms of possibility that Emi knew about that slightly ridiculous rule that yellow cards don't carry over into penalty shootouts?
I'd love that to be the case!
You would hope so because not one of the people praising his antics now would have been happy to see Olsen coming on for the rest of that shoot out. Or to have to start him in the SF.
I asked in jest really. I don't believe for a second that Emi knew the rule as you could see how panicked he was when the ref went over to him with the card.
I Love Emi and the edge he can give you in situations like that, but to be honest I think referees put up with far too much from him at times.
Post by: PhilVill on April 18, 2024, 08:58:32 PM
Post by: The Edge on April 18, 2024, 08:59:28 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 18, 2024, 09:01:05 PM
I still don't know why he was booked the second time.
They were throwing shit at him & he told them not to...
Post by: Matt C on April 18, 2024, 09:02:01 PM
Or perhaps the ref was feeling the need having gone a full five minutes without using his yellow card.
Post by: Rigadon on April 18, 2024, 09:02:28 PM
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 18, 2024, 09:04:34 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 18, 2024, 09:07:45 PM
Post by: garyellis on April 18, 2024, 09:11:13 PM
Wow, he pushed it to the max. Love itIt is all part of the brand
Post by: algy on April 18, 2024, 09:12:09 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 18, 2024, 09:13:06 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on April 18, 2024, 09:15:10 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 18, 2024, 09:17:15 PM
What’s his song?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 18, 2024, 09:21:51 PM
Post by: The Edge on April 18, 2024, 09:23:26 PM
https://twitter.com/footballontnt/status/1781045863738986524"He escaped by a tiny tiny fraction of the yellow card red card law" Sorry what? The rules state that yellow cards during 90 minutes don't carry on into the penalty shoot out. Maybe a little known rule but nothing tiny about it . It's in the fucking rules ya muppet. And I still don't know what the second booking was for. Referee lost the plot for sure.
Post by: Forge10 on April 18, 2024, 09:24:26 PM
Post by: WarszaVillan on April 18, 2024, 09:26:25 PM
Post by: dave shelley on April 18, 2024, 09:26:36 PM
What has he done that was so bad. He saved the first penalty and put his finger to his lips, saved the last one and did a sexy little dance? Why is every none Villa Fan going so crazy about it?
My guess would be because they don't have him.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 18, 2024, 09:27:09 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 18, 2024, 09:27:16 PM
What has he done that was so bad. He saved the first penalty and put his finger to his lips, saved the last one and did a sexy little dance? Why is every none Villa Fan going so crazy about it?
Are they? I doubt most even know what happened.
Post by: Dogtanian on April 18, 2024, 09:28:21 PM
What has he done that was so bad. He saved the first penalty and put his finger to his lips, saved the last one and did a sexy little dance? Why is every none Villa Fan going so crazy about it?
To be honest, a sexy little dance was the least he could do after giving us all a semi!
Post by: Forge10 on April 18, 2024, 09:28:55 PM
Post by: villadelph on April 18, 2024, 09:29:55 PM
What has he done that was so bad. He saved the first penalty and put his finger to his lips, saved the last one and did a sexy little dance? Why is every none Villa Fan going so crazy about it?
To be honest, a sexy little dance was the least he could do after giving us all a semi!
;D
Post of the day.
Post by: Forge10 on April 18, 2024, 09:30:00 PM
What has he done that was so bad. He saved the first penalty and put his finger to his lips, saved the last one and did a sexy little dance? Why is every none Villa Fan going so crazy about it?
To be honest, a sexy little dance was the least he could do after giving us all a semi!
Impeccably delivered 🙏🏼
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 18, 2024, 09:31:35 PM
Neither the ref or crowd knew the rules by the look of it. He had the ball at his feet and they were brandishing imaginary yellow cards….
I'm sure they said in commentary that he needs to be careful now with the ref, while the ball's in fucking play. You fucking want it, go and fucking get it.
Post by: The Edge on April 18, 2024, 09:34:19 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 18, 2024, 09:34:22 PM
Opponents and neutrals alike are so obsessed with him, he doesn't need to. His aura alone has them all gibbering and whining incoherently.
He's a mad genius.
Post by: darren woolley on April 18, 2024, 09:40:12 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 18, 2024, 09:41:07 PM
Post by: Jane on April 18, 2024, 09:46:07 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 18, 2024, 09:46:15 PM
https://twitter.com/doogan_brian/status/1781045519537614897
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 18, 2024, 09:50:00 PM
Yellow cards: 2
Penalty saves: 2
Dances: 1
Shh's: 1
Winding up the crowd: 99
Post by: Yeltzer on April 18, 2024, 09:50:31 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 18, 2024, 09:50:44 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 18, 2024, 09:55:05 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 18, 2024, 09:55:47 PM
https://twitter.com/footballontnt/status/1781048569278894228
Post by: nigel on April 18, 2024, 09:56:15 PM
Splendid
https://twitter.com/doogan_brian/status/1781045519537614897
Torres whipping the crowd, too 😂
Post by: frank black on April 18, 2024, 09:57:31 PM
Post by: nigel on April 18, 2024, 09:57:37 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 18, 2024, 09:57:38 PM
Suspended for first leg of the semi apparently cos of 3 yellows across the 2 legs
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1781063558005940246?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
At least he'll be there for shootout in second leg
Post by: nigel on April 18, 2024, 09:58:56 PM
Suspended for first leg of the semi apparently cos of 3 yellows across the 2 legs
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1781063558005940246?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
At least he'll be there for shootout in second leg
I thought they were wiped out for the semifinals?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 18, 2024, 10:00:33 PM
https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1781064129135931810?s=46
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on April 18, 2024, 10:01:10 PM
Post by: amfy on April 18, 2024, 10:01:50 PM
Is it beyond the realms of possibility that Emi knew about that slightly ridiculous rule that yellow cards don't carry over into penalty shootouts?
I'd love that to be the case!
You would hope so because not one of the people praising his antics now would have been happy to see Olsen coming on for the rest of that shoot out. Or to have to start him in the SF.
I asked in jest really. I don't believe for a second that Emi knew the rule as you could see how panicked he was when the ref went over to him with the card.
I Love Emi and the edge he can give you in situations like that, but to be honest I think referees put up with far too much from him at times.
Literally every week forwards score goals and shhhh the crowd. A goalie does it when he makes an important save and it’s somehow becomes bookable.
Stats have shown he is only half way up the league of time wasting goalies, but top of the league of goalies booked for time wasting.
He gets booked on reputation but actually his ‘behaviour’ is no worse than loads of other players.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 18, 2024, 10:04:54 PM
Suspended for first leg of the semi apparently cos of 3 yellows across the 2 legs
I'm sceptical. 10 o'clock before somebody says this? Nah, mate.
Post by: Demitri_C on April 18, 2024, 10:06:15 PM
Suspended for first leg of the semi apparently cos of 3 yellows across the 2 legs
Its wiped in semis
Post by: martin o`who?? on April 18, 2024, 10:11:37 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on April 18, 2024, 10:12:33 PM
Is it beyond the realms of possibility that Emi knew about that slightly ridiculous rule that yellow cards don't carry over into penalty shootouts?
I'd love that to be the case!
You would hope so because not one of the people praising his antics now would have been happy to see Olsen coming on for the rest of that shoot out. Or to have to start him in the SF.
I asked in jest really. I don't believe for a second that Emi knew the rule as you could see how panicked he was when the ref went over to him with the card.
I Love Emi and the edge he can give you in situations like that, but to be honest I think referees put up with far too much from him at times.
Literally every week forwards score goals and shhhh the crowd. A goalie does it when he makes an important save and it’s somehow becomes bookable.
Stats have shown he is only half way up the league of time wasting goalies, but top of the league of goalies booked for time wasting.
He gets booked on reputation but actually his ‘behaviour’ is no worse than loads of other players.
Fans give opposing players stick. Sometimes incessantly. I know I have.
You can't moan if they give it back!
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on April 18, 2024, 10:13:22 PM
the most watertight in the club's history!
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 18, 2024, 10:13:43 PM
He's a winner and exactly what we need. I love him.
Too right
The guy is a mental giant. In both senses of term.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 18, 2024, 10:16:16 PM
Suspended for first leg of the semi apparently cos of 3 yellows across the 2 legs
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1781063558005940246?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
At least he'll be there for shootout in second leg
I thought they were wiped out for the semifinals?
Not if he picks up the ban from the Quarters, although I will wait until UEFA say something first.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 18, 2024, 10:17:12 PM
Post by: Dave on April 18, 2024, 10:18:49 PM
Quote
A penalty shootout is always a Gladiatorial event, but we can’t recall seeing one so thoroughly dominated by one man. The fact it came against French opposition is quite simply very, very funny. The fact it came against French opposition who spent 120 minutes and the entire shootout booing him funnier still. It was all absolutely delicious.
Martinez was warned for housery even before picking up his second yellow card (but not a red one) for what he magnificently would later try to describe as simply asking for his ball back. “Please, mister…”
It’s easy – nay irresistible – to get entirely lost in the Martinez shootout persona because it’s so magnificent. But it’s worth at least acknowledging that he is also a perfect keeper physically and technically for this. He has a huge, goal-filling frame even before the smell of a shootout gets that chest puffed out further. He’s deceptively agile too. We all know what a brilliant shot-stopper he is.
If you were building the perfect keeper for a shootout, you’d just pick Martinez. Loves the one-on-one nature of it. Loves the pressure. Loves the gamesmanship. But has absolutely all the basic keeping attributes to go with all the other stuff. It never felt like this shootout could possibly end in any way other than Martinez dancing away in triumph – albeit at first uncertainly as he glanced at the referee, and even that was magnificent – having made the decisive save.
His first stop in the shootout was a genuinely brilliant one to deny a perfectly respectable penalty from Bentaleb struck low to the keeper’s left but just not quite far enough into the corner. The final penalty was a bit rubbish – not Bernardo bad, but still bad – and once Martinez guessed right this one was a formality for our hero.
We’ve covered games that have gone to penalties plenty of times before. We don’t think we’ve ever written the entire match piece about the penalties before. That is the power of Martinez. ‘He’s got balls of steel’ was the admiring commentary line of the night. He has, you know. And you have to admire those balls
Post by: DrGonzo on April 18, 2024, 10:19:46 PM
Post by: AV84 on April 18, 2024, 10:22:28 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 18, 2024, 10:29:22 PM
F365 doing all the best writing again.One of our greatest ever playersQuoteA penalty shootout is always a Gladiatorial event, but we can’t recall seeing one so thoroughly dominated by one man. The fact it came against French opposition is quite simply very, very funny. The fact it came against French opposition who spent 120 minutes and the entire shootout booing him funnier still. It was all absolutely delicious.
Martinez was warned for housery even before picking up his second yellow card (but not a red one) for what he magnificently would later try to describe as simply asking for his ball back. “Please, mister…”
It’s easy – nay irresistible – to get entirely lost in the Martinez shootout persona because it’s so magnificent. But it’s worth at least acknowledging that he is also a perfect keeper physically and technically for this. He has a huge, goal-filling frame even before the smell of a shootout gets that chest puffed out further. He’s deceptively agile too. We all know what a brilliant shot-stopper he is.
If you were building the perfect keeper for a shootout, you’d just pick Martinez. Loves the one-on-one nature of it. Loves the pressure. Loves the gamesmanship. But has absolutely all the basic keeping attributes to go with all the other stuff. It never felt like this shootout could possibly end in any way other than Martinez dancing away in triumph – albeit at first uncertainly as he glanced at the referee, and even that was magnificent – having made the decisive save.
His first stop in the shootout was a genuinely brilliant one to deny a perfectly respectable penalty from Bentaleb struck low to the keeper’s left but just not quite far enough into the corner. The final penalty was a bit rubbish – not Bernardo bad, but still bad – and once Martinez guessed right this one was a formality for our hero.
We’ve covered games that have gone to penalties plenty of times before. We don’t think we’ve ever written the entire match piece about the penalties before. That is the power of Martinez. ‘He’s got balls of steel’ was the admiring commentary line of the night. He has, you know. And you have to admire those balls
Post by: KevinGage on April 18, 2024, 10:33:49 PM
Had a nose mate message me, apparently Emi manipulated the rules to suit 😂
It's what the big clubs do.
Post by: Dogtanian on April 18, 2024, 10:34:16 PM
Lovable nightmare!
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 18, 2024, 10:34:55 PM
He’s incredible. No doubt . He definitely knows he can’t be sent off for a second yellow it happened at the World Cup. It didn’t do anything for the club’s image though.
Winning a quarter final did nothing for the club’s image?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 18, 2024, 10:37:12 PM
It didn’t do anything for the club’s image though.
With all due respect, cobblers.
He did magnificently, the clubs image will be hoisted juist fine by advancing another round.
Post by: AV84 on April 18, 2024, 10:38:34 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on April 18, 2024, 10:41:13 PM
He didn’t dive or pretend someone headbutted him, he didn’t spit on someone or get aggressive with a ballboy, he didn’t even launch a flying kick at a fan or try to eat his opponent’s flesh!
He put his fingers to his lips, wiggled his hips, and did his bloody job.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 18, 2024, 10:41:37 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 18, 2024, 10:42:16 PM
He's a winner and exactly what we need. I love him.
Too right
The guy is a mental giant. In both senses of term.
There are at least four senses to that term!
Emi's my favourite ever Villa player.
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 18, 2024, 10:43:41 PM
Suspended for first leg of the semi apparently cos of 3 yellows across the 2 legs
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1781063558005940246?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
At least he'll be there for shootout in second leg
I thought they were wiped out for the semifinals?
Not if he picks up the ban from the Quarters, although I will wait until UEFA say something first.
On completion of the quarter final cards are wiped.
(https://i.ibb.co/8BBH445/82-F52-EA6-CA17-4-DFB-81-DD-443-F2306-BF8-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8BBH445)
Post by: villa for life on April 18, 2024, 10:44:17 PM
Post by: Risso on April 18, 2024, 11:05:43 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 18, 2024, 11:15:24 PM
He really is crazier than a shithouse rat, but the best Villa keeper I've ever seen.
I've loved one or two along the way, but he is my favourite, and the best too. He has everything you'd ever want. He makes saves, he is calm under pressure, is desperate to win, is a team player and a nice bloke to boot.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 18, 2024, 11:19:38 PM
Post by: sali,salifou on April 18, 2024, 11:21:53 PM
Why didn't Barry take the penalty?
Post by: KevinGage on April 18, 2024, 11:42:50 PM
Divine providence has ordained we have the finest practitioner they've prob ever produced.
And the roll call is long.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 18, 2024, 11:44:44 PM
Is it fuck, the ref was a right knob, no clue at all, neither of the cards were at all justified.
Fuck em'
Post by: LeeB on April 18, 2024, 11:57:22 PM
He’s definitely improved. We now need to keep.You say that like there was a point at which that was in question. He's been fantastic since he walked through the door but now he's becoming legendary.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 19, 2024, 12:02:34 AM
Still Rimmer for me but Emi is second now.
I thinK Emi has edged Rimmer out.
Post by: LeonW on April 19, 2024, 01:17:37 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 19, 2024, 03:26:23 AM
Anyhow, Emi is brilliant and I wouldn’t swap him for any player.
Post by: Rory on April 19, 2024, 03:41:16 AM
Is it beyond the realms of possibility that Emi knew about that slightly ridiculous rule that yellow cards don't carry over into penalty shootouts?
I'd love that to be the case!
You would hope so because not one of the people praising his antics now would have been happy to see Olsen coming on for the rest of that shoot out. Or to have to start him in the SF.
I asked in jest really. I don't believe for a second that Emi knew the rule as you could see how panicked he was when the ref went over to him with the card.
I Love Emi and the edge he can give you in situations like that, but to be honest I think referees put up with far too much from him at times.
Literally every week forwards score goals and shhhh the crowd. A goalie does it when he makes an important save and it’s somehow becomes bookable.
Stats have shown he is only half way up the league of time wasting goalies, but top of the league of goalies booked for time wasting.
He gets booked on reputation but actually his ‘behaviour’ is no worse than loads of other players.
Fully agreed.
Can I just ask our French posters why he is so hated? He's hardly Toni Schumacher; he's just a bit of a wind-up merchant, as far as I can tell.
I honestly think I'd like him even if he didn't play for us. Like Ali or Nas, there is room for twattery in sport, if the individual has charisma and can back it up with ability.