Douglas Luiz - coming back?

[PeterWithe]

Well Juventus seem to be the only ones wanting to buy now but they haven't got the cash, we don't want to strengthen a rival team by letting him go there, so we are cooking the books a little bit on valuation?

[paul_e]

So why are we doing a part chop and not just cash?

because it makes no difference in terms of FFP and means we get to add a couple of players that we think will improve the squad. Iling-Junior in particular is a great prospect who I suspect will be a very good player in a couple of years.

[TonyD]

There must be a club with the dosh out there somewhere. 

[paul_e]

What difference does it make? Any financial issues we might have (and I'm not convinced they are remotely as serious as the press are portraying) are balance sheet related not cashflow issues so I see no reason why an exchange isn't perfectly reasonable.

[enigma]

What difference does it make? Any financial issues we might have (and I'm not convinced they are remotely as serious as the press are portraying) are balance sheet related not cashflow issues so I see no reason why an exchange isn't perfectly reasonable.

If we had the cash instead would we spend it on Iling-Junior and Mckennie?

[PeterWithesShin]

We've been linked with both before so quite possibly.

[AV84]

Well Juventus seem to be the only ones wanting to buy now but they haven't got the cash, we don't want to strengthen a rival team by letting him go there, so we are cooking the books a little bit on valuation?

I wondered about this myself. I don't know why but Juventus seemed a completely random club to suddenly be so far advanced in talks, but it does make sense if it's a case that he wanted to move on to somewhere new, and we're not going to try to force a player to stay but we're certainly not going to let him go to the likes of Arsenal, who I'm sure we could have swapped a couple of players with.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Not sure the climate will be a decision maker unless he loves snow. Turin gets an average annual snowfall of 163cm. It's bloody cold up there. He should have held out for a move to Sporting!

That can't be right, man. Turin in winter is dull and foggy with some rain but not a lot of snow. Pretty nice city though. Though not as nice as Lisbon, I grant you.

You're right, I confused snow with rainfall. Turin only gets on average 25cm of snow a year.

[Drummond]

I'd rather have someone that didn't fit at Leeds than someone who did.

[paul_e]

What difference does it make? Any financial issues we might have (and I'm not convinced they are remotely as serious as the press are portraying) are balance sheet related not cashflow issues so I see no reason why an exchange isn't perfectly reasonable.

If we had the cash instead would we spend it on Iling-Junior and Mckennie?

I have no idea and nor does anyone else on here, but to flip that question around do you honestly think a manager as meticulous as Emery would accept them both coming in if he didn't think they were adding something? Pragmatism isn't a bad thing and if it's true that Luiz doesn't want to sign a new deal and that he's asked to be able to talk to Juve (both are very likely) then taking a very good yongster and someone who will make us harder to dominate in midfield doesn't seem like we've been fucked over massively. I'd have liked a little more for him but truthfully there are only a few clubs outside England that could him and I'm much happier for him to go abroad than having to see him in a fucking Arsenal shirt.

[paul_e]

I'd rather have someone that didn't fit at Leeds than someone who did.

Yep, being disliked by Leeds fans is definitely in the positives column.

[enigma]

What difference does it make? Any financial issues we might have (and I'm not convinced they are remotely as serious as the press are portraying) are balance sheet related not cashflow issues so I see no reason why an exchange isn't perfectly reasonable.

If we had the cash instead would we spend it on Iling-Junior and Mckennie?

I have no idea and nor does anyone else on here, but to flip that question around do you honestly think a manager as meticulous as Emery would accept them both coming in if he didn't think they were adding something? Pragmatism isn't a bad thing and if it's true that Luiz doesn't want to sign a new deal and that he's asked to be able to talk to Juve (both are very likely) then taking a very good yongster and someone who will make us harder to dominate in midfield doesn't seem like we've been fucked over massively. I'd have liked a little more for him but truthfully there are only a few clubs outside England that could him and I'm much happier for him to go abroad than having to see him in a fucking Arsenal shirt.

Yeah maybe but I just don't like it. We had one of the very best midfileds in the league that our success was built on and I can't help but feel we've weakned it by a fair margin.
Monchi and Emery may be great but they aren't infallible. They will make mistakes (Monchi has made plenty of them iat his previous clubs).
Just feels a bit like "yeah they'll do" as no-one else seems interested and Juve can't stump up the cash.

[chrisw1]

It felt a bit naive not using the Finn Azaz sale to lever out Rogers.  IF we wanted those players, I'm glad we're pushing for it as part of the deal, rather than having to play chicken for them in August.

To me, McKennie seems like a bit of a compromise, prob no better than Sanson, but I'm looking forward to seeing what Emery sees in him.

[paul_e]

It felt a bit naive not using the Finn Azaz sale to lever out Rogers.  IF we wanted those players, I'm glad we're pushing for it as part of the deal, rather than having to play chicken for them in August.

To me, McKennie seems like a bit of a compromise, prob no better than Sanson, but I'm looking forward to seeing what Emery sees in him.

I don't completely disagree but I just don't think Emery would give it a thumbs up if he didn't think McKennie was good enough to do a job for him and his physicality does help us wit the biggest weakness. I don't like that we're losing Doug to get it but, to me, it seems like Barkley wil lbe the Luiz replacement and that's a bigger worry for me than McKennie coming in to replace Dendoncker.

[pablo_picasso]

It felt a bit naive not using the Finn Azaz sale to lever out Rogers.  IF we wanted those players, I'm glad we're pushing for it as part of the deal, rather than having to play chicken for them in August.

To me, McKennie seems like a bit of a compromise, prob no better than Sanson, but I'm looking forward to seeing what Emery sees in him.

I don't completely disagree but I just don't think Emery would give it a thumbs up if he didn't think McKennie was good enough to do a job for him and his physicality does help us wit the biggest weakness. I don't like that we're losing Doug to get it but, to me, it seems like Barkley wil lbe the Luiz replacement and that's a bigger worry for me than McKennie coming in to replace Dendoncker.

I agree with this 100%.